--- Log for 20.04.105  Server: brown.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.06 #       <stevenm> Ah.. it ain't defined if LITTLE_ENDIAN is.. okay well I hope this works because I have no way of knowing
00.02.38 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/midi2wav.rock
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00.02.52 #       <austriancoder> hi all
00.03.00 #       <austriancoder> some news?
00.03.13 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, this uses some rather experimental stuff.. I will be very surprised if that produces proper sound, but let's hope
00.03.21 #       <stevenm> austriancoder, hello. what's up?
00.03.53 #       <Shagnar> stevenm allright, i just wait till the player finished (~2min)
00.04.00 #       <austriancoder> remote lcd stuff is finished to 90 % - wps still needs some coding
00.04.04 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, ok
00.13.03 #       <Shagnar> working
00.13.44 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, lemme know how bad it sounds :(
00.14.00 #       <Shagnar> we'll see ;)
00.14.53 #       <Shagnar> 02:15
00.15.06 #       <Shagnar> for the Mi1.mid
00.15.17 #       <Shagnar> lets have a look on the wave
00.15.34 #       <stevenm> 2:15 .. ?! woah
00.15.57 #       <Shagnar> sounds nice
00.16.07 #       <Shagnar> can't hear any error
00.16.08 #       <stevenm> sounds RIGHT Shagnar  ?
00.16.15 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, are you sure this is the right .rock ?
00.16.17 #       <rasher> oh boy
00.16.23 #       <stevenm> did it take longer last time ?
00.16.40 #       <rasher> doing pretty well
00.16.52 #       <Shagnar> about 02:20... started the excel-DB for the times today so i dunno... mom i'll check a second time
00.17.25 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, unbelievable. That was like, the most stressful 18 hours of my life
00.17.38 #       <stevenm> (not really but STILL)
00.17.42 #       <stevenm> bah the thing actually worked
00.17.55 #       <stevenm> and I hadn't actually removed the getSample() call.. just put the code IN it
00.18.04 #       <Shagnar> mom
00.18.08 #       <stevenm> it's inline though, if that makes it less worse
00.18.08 #       <Shagnar> in /viewers
00.18.10 #       <stevenm> hm?
00.18.18 #       <Shagnar> its the right one (the latest)
00.18.18 #       <stevenm> mom?
00.18.23 #       <Shagnar> one moment ;)
00.18.29 #       <stevenm> aah
00.18.42 #       <stevenm> maybe I uploaded the wrong copy or something
00.18.50 #       <Shagnar> copied in /viewers <= right, yes?
00.18.51 #       <preglow> hahah
00.19.01 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, right
00.19.22 #       <stevenm> looks like I uploaded what I built.. and it looks like latest build.. and I did remember to put it in ../pub ..
00.19.37 #       <preglow> start embedding build dates in the plugin :P
00.19.43 #       <Shagnar> and i don't have to restart the player to make the new version affect?
00.19.59 #       <Shagnar> sounds like a good idea, preglow
00.20.03 #       <Shagnar> ;o)
00.20.05 #       <stevenm> preglow, yea I was considering like, current time or something, just not sure how to automate
00.20.28 #       <stevenm> midi file is 1:35
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00.20.42 #       <Shagnar> miditest is 1:34
00.20.50 #       <stevenm> al right
00.21.05 #       <stevenm> that's 67%
00.21.18 #       <stevenm> beats the 50% without the endian stuff
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00.21.58 #       <stevenm> now I gotta go thru and remove the getSample CALL and actually replace it with the code.. possibly change the output buffer from chars to ints.. faster
00.22.06 #       <rasher> stevenm: make it output the time of build and the time-to-decode to a file :)
00.22.21 #       <Shagnar> so you're shure i run the right version?
00.22.29 #       <Shagnar> *ran
00.22.30 #       <preglow> stevenm: if you're just replacing all getsample calls with the getsample code, just declare getsample inline instead
00.22.45 #       <stevenm> preglow, yes that's waht it is now. and all it is is a return statement
00.22.51 #       <preglow> good
00.23.02 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, let me change the startup text, just in case :)
00.23.09 #       <Shagnar> :)
00.23.19 #       <Shagnar> or just a number at the end of the text
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00.23.29 #       <Shagnar> so we can easy tell which revision we mean
00.24.02 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, changed the text, http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/midi2wav.rock
00.24.10 #       <stevenm> yea I will add that in the future
00.24.23 #       <stevenm> rasher, any ideas on how to measure run time?
00.24.36 #       <stevenm> rasher, H100 has RTC and timers I can use?
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00.24.51 #       <rasher> not rtc
00.24.52 #       <rasher> but timers
00.25.02 #       <stevenm> rasher, that works
00.25.09 #       <rasher> many of the plugins use it
00.25.23 #       <Shagnar> stevenm: yes it works :)
00.25.46 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, wow cool
00.26.04 #       <stevenm> Shagnar, thanks for testing
00.26.18 #       <stevenm> I'm going to go eat now, then enee review ... maybe I will be back later tonight
00.26.19 #       <stevenm> bye all
00.26.24 #       <Shagnar> bye
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00.37.53 #       <austriancoder> good night all
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01.05.20 #       <Shagnar> good night all
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01.27.04 #       <preglow> time for bed
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05.02.03 #       <eVox> anyone out there?
05.02.29 #       <eVox> ive got a problem with my ihp120
05.03.22 #       <eVox> it got plugged into a phone charger...and despite the charger being the same polarity and less power, the ihp is messed up
05.03.52 #       <Rick> :<
05.03.59 #       <Rick> That was silly ;P
05.04.04 #       * Rick wonders how it messed up
05.04.13 #       <eVox> the screen is garbled (similar to 'artifacting' on overheating video cards), but it will boot up and respond to button commands (but u gatta hold the buttons for 3x as long as normal)
05.04.22 #       <Rick> ah
05.04.32 #       <Rick> Sounds like it was fried or something
05.04.32 #       <Rick> heh
05.04.40 #       <Rick> does the remote work?
05.04.46 #       <eVox> yeah i went to charge it for a trip to atlanta tomarrow, and later went looking for my phone charge and had an 'ohhhhhhhhhh shit' moment
05.04.46 #       <eVox> lol
05.05.28 #       <eVox> its still working as a harddrive (via computer connection), and the radio works, but the menus are fubar and it wont actually play mp3s
05.05.38 #       <Rick> :<
05.05.43 #       <Rick> Can't help you there... :/
05.05.46 #       <Rick> maybe someone else could
05.05.47 #       <Rick> dunno
05.05.54 #       <eVox> is there a reset to safe mode thing? like on dell jukebox's?
05.06.03 #       <eVox> ah
05.06.05 #       <Rick> eh, there's a reset
05.06.06 #       <Rick> but
05.06.10 #       <Rick> it's not like a safemode
05.06.13 #       <eVox> yeah
05.06.21 #       <eVox> ive reset it like 400 tiems
05.06.24 #       <Rick> I doubt that would have any effect
05.06.28 #       <eVox> nope
05.06.30 #       <Rick> Unless the firmware somehow fucked up
05.06.52 #       <eVox> ive *tried* updating the firmware but its hard with garbled menus
05.07.42 #       <eVox> on the 'general' menu, is update firmware the 2nd one up from the bottom?
05.07.50 #       <Rick> let me check
05.08.02 #       <eVox> ty
05.08.04 #       <Rick> er
05.08.07 #       <Rick> what version do you have?
05.08.23 #       <eVox> the most current
05.08.29 #       <eVox> 1.6?
05.08.35 #       <eVox> the standard...not rockbox
05.08.47 #       <Rick> yeah
05.08.48 #       <Rick> but
05.08.51 #       <Rick> in the newer firmware
05.08.53 #       <Rick> there's a format option
05.09.39 #       <eVox> what are u getting at?
05.09.46 #       <Rick> well
05.09.50 #       <Rick> if your firmware is newer
05.09.57 #       <Rick> the firmware upgrade is 3rd from bottom
05.09.58 #       <Rick> not 2nd
05.10.05 #       <Rick> (the last is format instead of db scan)
05.10.18 #       <eVox> whats 2nd up?
05.10.23 #       <eVox> db scan?
05.10.24 #       <Rick> db scan
05.10.46 #       <Rick> then you want to click
05.10.47 #       <Rick> <-
05.10.48 #       <Rick> click
05.11.10 #       <eVox> yeah
05.11.27 #       <eVox> whats 3rd up on the old one?
05.11.42 #       <eVox> cuz i have some garbled screen idk what it says
05.12.08 #       <eVox> i think upgrading with the picture of the ihp like on the boot screen
05.12.16 #       <eVox> if i squint real hard
05.12.18 #       <eVox> lol
05.13.55 #       <Rick> lol
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05.16.40 #       <eVox> it froze
05.16.47 #       <Rick> :/
05.16.52 #       <eVox> and is still fubar on reset
05.17.12 #       <eVox> hmmm...how do you take these things apart? the micro allen wrench screws?
05.17.30 #       <Rick> I forget the name
05.21.28 #       <eVox> do you want to buy a paperweight?
05.25.35 #       <Rick> Not really.
05.26.07 #       <eVox> :/
05.28.47 #       <eVox> in the newest firmware...is there a set of horizontal scrolling icons when u press the main button in?
05.29.04 #       <Rick> I don't know
05.29.09 #       <Rick> I don't have the latest
05.29.18 #       <Rick> as I have rockbox on it
05.29.19 #       <Rick> ;P
05.29.36 #       <eVox> ah
05.29.38 #       <eVox> how is rockbox
05.29.44 #       <Rick> good
05.29.47 #       <eVox> i check the site every couple of days
05.29.56 #       <eVox> its is fully functional for playing mp3s?
05.31.19 #       <Rick> no
05.31.47 #       <eVox> does it play mp3s?
05.36.32 #       <ehntoo> no.
05.37.51 #       <ehntoo> rockbox is just for things other than playing music at the moment.
05.38.19 #       <eVox> o
05.38.28 #       <ehntoo> As I understand it, a couple codecs are in place and working, but the audio out drivers and audio backing code are still being put into place.
05.40.52 #       <eVox> ah
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07.13.59 #       <stevenm> Hi all
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07.50.53 #       <amiconn> Good morning
07.51.29 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I just posted an answer to the 'car adapter mode on flashed players' forum topic
07.52.16 #       <stevenm> Morning? amiconn, where are you?
07.52.18 #       <LinusN> ah, right, silly me
07.52.27 #       <amiconn> stevenm: Germany
07.52.37 #       <stevenm> amiconn, ah, sweet
07.54.12 #       <LinusN> d'oh!
07.54.26 #       * LinusN just found a mistake in the dram setup
07.56.15 #       <stevenm> oo lovely, 2 more shifts removed
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08.25.25 #       <austriancoder> good morning
08.25.39 #       <austriancoder> amiconn: where in germany do you live?
08.29.09 #       <amiconn> Berlin
08.30.19 #       <austriancoder> interesting.. i live at the bodensee
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08.54.04 #       <B4gder> gooooood morning
08.54.14 #       <LinusN> banzai
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09.28.07 #       <bobTHC> good mornin' mates !
09.28.38 #       <B4gder> morning bob
09.32.19 #       * LinusN just played his first seconds of realtime mp3
09.32.32 #       <austriancoder> wow
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09.33.33 #       <bobTHC> :)
09.33.42 #       <B4gder> which song was it?
09.33.44 #       <B4gder> :-)
09.34.44 #       <bobTHC> we will rock you ?
09.34.49 #       <bobTHC> ;)
09.38.51 #       <LinusN> Machinae Supremacy - Great Giana Sisters
09.41.01 #       <B4gder> giana sisters, oooh nostalgia
09.41.08 #       <B4gder> :-)
09.41.24 #       <B4gder> I better go get some coffee instead
09.41.31 #       <Chamois> linus : still lot of works or will commit soon ?
09.41.33 #       <LinusN> must follow the rockbox tradition you know, first mp3 test must be Machinae Supremacy
09.41.45 #       <LinusN> Chamois: lots and lots
09.41.50 #       <LinusN> it bugs like hell!
09.42.02 #       <Chamois> ok
09.42.10 #       * LinusN celebrates by getting a cup of coffee
09.43.13 #       <bobTHC> cheeers !
09.46.51 #       <Rick> :o
09.46.54 #       <Rick> on iriver, LinusN?
09.47.04 #       <austriancoder> ;)
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09.47.51 #       <austriancoder> re
09.48.59 #       <LinusN> Rick: of course
09.49.03 #       <Rick> nifty :)
09.49.09 #       <Rick> howsit working?
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09.49.18 #       <LinusN> really really bad :-)
09.49.29 #       <Rick> lol
09.49.37 #       * Rick has been sitting here listening to his iriver all night
09.49.38 #       <Rick> but
09.49.42 #       <Rick> I really should plug it in
09.49.42 #       <Rick> hehe
09.49.48 #       * Rick can't be assed to find the plug
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09.58.58 #       <austriancoder> i hate cisco routers....
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10.04.54 #       <amiconn> austriancoder: Is there a specific reason?
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10.08.03 #       <austriancoder> amiconn: one of the routers is misconfigurated and we have now lost a lot of time to find the error and the lesson is ending in a few minutes and we had no time to do the tasks
10.08.59 #       <amiconn> Misconfiguration is usually not the router's fault
10.09.40 #       <austriancoder> it was the fault of the people bevore us
10.10.08 #       <ashridah> eh? resetting a cisco router isn't that hard, provided you've got a console cable...
10.10.51 #       <ashridah> reset it, break the bootup, change a flag so it doesn't autoload the config, reboot, ignore the config, reset the flag so it'll load your config once you've written it.
10.11.05 #       <austriancoder> thats the prob.. there is only one serial cabel
10.11.28 #       <ashridah> aaah, that's a pain.
10.11.33 #       <ashridah> i've got my own :)
10.11.38 #       <austriancoder> and my group members are not very motivated
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10.14.31 #       <austriancoder> for wath is the eprom needed in the iriver?
10.15.52 #       <ashridah> settings storage.
10.16.10 #       <austriancoder> hmmm.. settings are saved atm on harddisk
10.16.23 #       <ashridah> in rockbox, yes
10.16.46 #       <austriancoder> but?
10.17.08 #       <austriancoder> so we dont need the eprom inrockbox?
10.18.05 #       <LinusN> no
10.18.48 #       <austriancoder> oh
10.19.25 #       <austriancoder> so there is no need for a driver?
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10.22.28 #       <austriancoder> :(
10.22.49 #       * B4gder spots somone eager to write drivers :-)
10.24.02 #       <austriancoder> but i will do it.. seems to be funny ;)
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10.41.46 #       <austriancoder> will be away for some minutes.. class room change
10.53.54 #       <ashridah> god. my kingdom for a decent sequence diagram drawing tool that doesn't damned well keep biting me in the ass with annoying fiddling
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11.03.57 #       <B4gder> printk printk printk
11.05.45 #       <LinusN> Zagor: kitchen upside down?
11.05.52 #       <Zagor> :-)
11.06.08 #       <LinusN> slimp3 dead?
11.06.13 #       <Zagor> finished Real Soon Now.
11.06.23 #       <LinusN> ah, rockbox-style time plan
11.06.28 #       <Zagor> yup
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11.07.24 #       <dwihno> slimp3?
11.08.10 #       <amiconn> hi Zagor
11.08.14 #       <LinusN> Zagor: time for my traditional "Gentlemen, we have sound" post :-)
11.08.24 #       <Zagor> ooh, nice
11.08.35 #       <LinusN> machinae supremacy, of course
11.08.40 #       <Zagor> of course
11.09.07 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I've updated my fat.patch. This time it should work as intended.
11.09.24 #       <LinusN> (oh, haven't we heard that one before)
11.10.03 #       <ashridah> did i hear that one right?
11.10.06 #       <Zagor> :-)
11.10.35 #       <dwihno> Hooray for playback!
11.10.54 #       <ashridah> speaking of machinae supremacy, i probably should get around to finding an import of their first album.
11.11.09 #       <LinusN> they rule
11.11.14 #       <amiconn> I fixed 2 other problems as well. (1) Obey the maximum directory size according to the FAT spec. (2) Correctly handle the 0xE5 special character
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11.11.46 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I'd be pleased if you could have a look at it. Usual place: http://arnold-j.bei.t-online.de/Rockbox/fat.patch
11.12.22 #       <austriancoder> re
11.12.43 #       <Zagor> amiconn: i'll look
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11.15.26 #       <austriancoder> LinusN: when do you do the first commit for sound playback?
11.15.55 #       <LinusN> oh, not yet anyway
11.16.12 #       <LinusN> it is only an experimental hack
11.17.13 #       <ashridah> hurray! hack!
11.17.45 #       <B4gder> we like haxx! ;-P
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11.19.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN: congratulations!
11.19.33 #       <LinusN> thx
11.19.53 #       <amiconn> hi Jörg :)
11.20.04 #       <amiconn> ltnirc
11.20.08 #       * [IDC]Dragon never heard about machinae supremacy
11.20.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: ;-)
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11.22.32 #       * LinusN sent the "Gentlemen..." message
11.22.47 #       <LinusN> felt really good
11.22.54 #       <rasher> \o/
11.23.01 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn and I didn't know this protocol when doing the Ondio
11.23.01 #       * B4gder embraces and waits for impact
11.23.17 #       <ashridah> who wants to take bets on how long an out-of-context post will be made on slashdot? :)
11.23.19 #       <dwihno> \o/
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11.23.47 #       <dwihno> This calls for a frontpage news item!
11.24.20 #       * preglow applaudes like a madman
11.27.44 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: What protocol you're talking about?
11.30.37 #       <B4gder> shouldn't it be part 3? ;-)
11.31.05 #       <B4gder> 1 player, 2 recorder, 3 iRiver h100
11.32.24 #       <bobTHC> or 1 player, 2 recorder, 3 ondio, 4 h1xx ;)
11.32.33 #       <B4gder> true
11.33.54 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: the kind of "it plays" annoucement
11.34.25 #       <amiconn> ah
11.34.39 #       <B4gder> we never understood the ondio did have sound since we never got that mail B-]
11.34.50 #       <bobTHC> lol
11.34.59 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: you've probably been the first to hear it play
11.35.12 #       <amiconn> I don't think so
11.35.33 #       <amiconn> You reported the FM playing already, when my SP did not yet.
11.35.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> becouse of the MMC part, I thought
11.35.55 #       <amiconn> Small wonder - the FM uses the same MAS as the recorder, while the SP doesn't
11.36.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> FM was before mp3?
11.36.18 #       <[IDC]Dragon> this doesn't count...
11.36.41 #       <Lynx_> LinusN: congrats for mp3 playback :)
11.36.53 #       <amiconn> Yes, FM was before mp3, at least with the Samsung tuner, but I don't mean that either
11.37.11 #       <ashridah> in actual news, the human race was doomed to extinction today, as the robot revolt turned violent.
11.37.25 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: After MMC was working, you almost instantly reported mp3 playback sort-of working, while my SP kept silent
11.37.46 #       <amiconn> I had to adapt the configuration memory addresses first
11.39.07 #       <bobTHC> i'm agree with dwihno, a new item in the frontpage news section is mandatory for this kind of milestone, imho
11.39.36 #       <preglow> let's wait until it doesn't glitch, at least ;)
11.41.13 #       <Rick> has anyone looked at iriver's fm?
11.41.44 #       <amiconn> austriancoder: If you're looking for another driver to write, you could write an i2c driver for the fm radio chip
11.42.24 #       <amiconn> When this is done, the rest should be fairly easy. The iRiver uses the same philips radio chip as the newer Ondio FM's
11.42.32 #       <bobTHC> preglow >with linus on it , debugging dont't take ages ;)
11.43.03 #       <austriancoder> amiconn: seems to be a nice idea.. will look later the day into the docs
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11.44.01 #       <lImbus> LinusN: CONGRATZ !
11.44.12 #       <LinusN> thx
11.44.28 #       <lImbus> why don't you update the romm topic :-) ?
11.44.34 #       <lImbus> s/romm/room
11.45.02 #       <Rick> why?
11.45.04 #       <Rick> it's fine the way it is
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11.47.22 #       <rasher> let's see if it explodes again
11.48.27 #       <preglow> thanks to NAME(lol), NAME(hehe) ?
11.48.39 #       <preglow> aren't those macros? :P
11.49.36 #       <Rick> hm
11.49.45 #       <Rick> someone should add that remote pic to the RockboxShots page
11.49.45 #       <Rick> ;p
11.50.49 #       <Rick> also
11.51.00 #       <Rick> is it just me or is the fm chip not listed in the progress stuff on the iriver page?
11.51.39 #       <rasher> preglow: yes.. no idea why that happens
11.51.50 #       <rasher> you'd have to ask Bagder
11.53.02 #       <austriancoder> Rick: do you want to code the driver for the fm chip?
11.53.10 #       <preglow> there is a driver for it
11.53.33 #       <preglow> might need to be modified for the h1x0, though
11.53.37 #       <Rick> ah
11.53.46 #       <austriancoder> though about that... porting
11.53.47 #       <Rick> is it the same exact model?
11.54.04 #       <austriancoder> Rick: yes or no... i dont want to do dublicapted work
11.54.31 #       <Rick> austriancoder: I wouldn't mind it
11.54.35 #       <Rick> but
11.54.54 #       <Rick> i'm busy this week so it would have to wait
11.55.13 #       <austriancoder> ah.. then i will try it
11.55.32 #       <LinusN> austriancoder: i2c-h100.c
11.55.57 #       <austriancoder> LinusN: oki
11.56.46 #       <LinusN> firmware/tuner_philips.c
11.57.40 #       <LinusN> you might want to take a peek at firmware/drivers/fmradio_i2c.c
11.57.52 #       <preglow> so, is the playback glitching badly?
11.58.03 #       <LinusN> oh yes
11.58.21 #       <LinusN> the buffering code is not even close to finished
11.58.37 #       <austriancoder> LinusN: thanks
12.00.43 #       <preglow> LinusN: is it possible to say, just have 2 kb iram extra in addition to the 32kb bank?
12.02.12 #       * HCl yawns
12.02.14 #       <HCl> gmorning
12.02.16 #       <rasher> and again, dwihno excels in amusing ircstats quotes
12.03.10 #       <LinusN> preglow: guess so
12.03.22 #       <preglow> rasher: hahaha
12.03.30 #       <HCl> mp3 playback isn't in cvs yet?
12.03.49 #       <Rick> no, it's a hack
12.03.55 #       <HCl> mhm
12.03.57 #       <HCl> figured as much
12.04.03 #       <HCl> kay
12.04.06 #       * HCl goes to shower
12.07.40 #       <LinusN> preglow: the stack is in iram
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12.12.12 #       <preglow> LinusN: yeah, know, was thinking more of having room for more constants and tables in iram without having to eat another 32kb bank in its entirety
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12.24.50 #       <HCl> mmm
12.27.55 #       <preglow> think i'll pop out for a couple of hours time
12.28.25 #       * B4gder grants preglow permission to leave for a while :-P
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12.50.07 #       <LinusN> the rss feed is really f*cked up
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12.52.53 #       <B4gder> there's something strange in that digest thing
12.53.08 #       <B4gder> when built automatically, it makes zero byte files
12.53.19 #       <B4gder> when I run it manually, it just works
12.54.58 #       <B4gder> I guess my lameness shines through at times like this :-)
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13.03.35 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Something totally FAT-unrelated: Since your server upgrade quite some time ago, logbot is no longer able to explain anything :(
13.03.49 #       <Zagor> oh
13.04.58 #       <LinusN> amnesia
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13.30.18 #       <B4gder> "Console: switching to colour frame buffer device 128x96"
13.30.20 #       <B4gder> wooo
13.30.34 #       <B4gder> (but it is still all black, but anyway...)
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13.42.16 #       <Shagnar> who actually works on grayscale ?
13.42.28 #       <B4gder> no one
13.42.40 #       <B4gder> there''s an incomplete patch done
13.43.38 #       <Shagnar> oh :-/
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14.23.12 #       <preglow> pftpft
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14.35.41 #       <muz> hey did linus get mp3 playback to work?
14.36.09 #       <B4gder> yeps
14.36.29 #       <muz> like without converting to wav etc
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14.37.03 #       <B4gder> http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-04/0161.shtml
14.37.54 #       <Shagnar> wooha?
14.38.06 #       <Shagnar> i love machniae supremacy ;D
14.41.00 #       <muz> is this hack "commitable" in the cvs yet?
14.42.54 #       <preglow> no
14.43.09 #       <preglow> of course it _can_ be commited, but we'd better wait until it works properly
14.43.48 #       <muz> oh ok this is great news
14.44.09 #       <muz> so the api is done?
14.44.28 #       <B4gder> actually writing code is the best way to design the sound api/architecture
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15.34.31 #       <tedboer> hi.
15.34.55 #       <tedboer> the rockboxui simulator is monochrome. is that correct?
15.37.21 #       <HCl> yes
15.39.54 #       <tedboer> but rockbox perse isn't?
15.40.12 #       <tedboer> if the hardware is grayscale i mean?
15.41.08 #       <preglow> it's not utilized yet
15.41.35 #       <Zagor> rockbox currently does not support grayscale displays. we run the iriver in monochrome too.
15.42.17 #       <tedboer> ok.
15.42.38 #       <Zagor> it's a work in progress
15.43.02 #       <tedboer> yeah, i saw all these source files starting with gray_ :-)
15.43.33 #       <amiconn> tedboer: These have nothing to do with core greyscale support
15.43.41 #       <Zagor> that's the grayscale plugin library. it's for "faking" grayscale on monochrome displays.
15.44.02 #       <tedboer> ok i see.
15.44.05 #       <tedboer> anyway...
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15.45.19 #       <MoosCamaro> Hi all
15.45.32 #       <tedboer> hi
15.46.07 #       <MoosCamaro> still congratulations for Linus works
15.46.19 #       <MoosCamaro> hi tedboer
15.46.24 #       <Shagnar> ye
15.46.25 #       <Shagnar> yes
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15.48.51 #       <HCl> tedboer: there's a patch available to enable grayscale on iriver, its just not 100% finished yet
15.50.28 #       <preglow> tell markun to stop prioritizing this foolish "school" thing
15.50.59 #       <Shagnar> hcl - but it can be used with the actuel CVS release of rbx
15.51.02 #       <Shagnar> ?
15.51.34 #       <HCl> yes
15.51.43 #       <HCl> grayrockbox.zip on my ftp is built with it.
15.51.58 #       <HCl> it has the grayscale patch applied together with an grayscale-enabled rockboy
15.52.08 #       <Shagnar> weha! do you have me a link?
15.52.20 #       <HCl> check the rockboy wiki page
15.52.37 #       <tedboer> ok. cool.
15.52.52 #       <HCl> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginRockboy
15.56.20 #       <Shagnar> thx
15.57.42 #       <Shagnar> Menu 	 Done 	 needs more options <= yeah, more than 0 :D
15.57.49 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Did you do some tests with my FAT patch yet? Maybe I spotted a minor bug, have to check. It might not clear the last sector of a newly allocated cluster for >1 sector per cluster. If so, patched fat.c, line 1349 should read:
15.57.56 #       <amiconn> (dir->file.sectornum <= (int)fat_bpb->bpb_secperclus); sector++)
15.59.54 #       <bobTHC> HCl > the PluginRockboy is announce to be compatible with recorder ? what's the reality ?
16.00.42 #       <bobTHC> s/compatible/working
16.01.09 #       <HCl> bobTHC: it works. very slowly.
16.01.46 #       <bobTHC> @5% of RT ?
16.01.52 #       <HCl> something like that
16.01.55 #       <HCl> 6fps iirc
16.02.00 #       <preglow> yo, hcl
16.02.02 #       <HCl> faster than iriver at 11mhz
16.02.04 #       <HCl> but not fast enough
16.02.05 #       <HCl> hai?
16.02.14 #       <preglow> i think you can pretty much forget dynarec being feasible on h1x0
16.02.21 #       <preglow> the ram is so incredibly slow
16.02.25 #       <HCl> agreed
16.02.33 #       <preglow> so _INCREDIBLY_ slow
16.03.10 #       <HCl> i think its better to focus on an asm cpu core
16.03.16 #       <preglow> yes
16.03.17 #       <preglow> i agree
16.03.20 #       <HCl> and asm versions of the functions that were converted to asm on x86
16.03.25 #       <preglow> and using iram for important data
16.03.32 #       <preglow> argh
16.03.55 #       <preglow> i wish a time buble just enveloped me and allowed me to code rockbox for a couple of months straight
16.04.50 #       <HCl>  :P
16.04.54 #       <HCl> its called summer vacation :P
16.05.46 #       <preglow> i'll have to get a job :/
16.06.22 #       <preglow> it's good bye to long, lovely, good summer vacations for me
16.06.38 #       <HCl>  :X
16.12.03 #       <tvelocity[away]> hire yourself to develop rockbox
16.12.21 #       <tvelocity[away]> and with the money you earn you can pay for your hired developer (yourself)
16.12.55 #       <tvelocity[away]> :PP
16.17.21 #       <amiconn> HCl: I still think dynarec would make a performance boost, even on iriver, and compared to an asm cpu core. The slow ram performance will most likely hit an interpretive cpu core by the roughly same amount
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16.18.05 #       <preglow> iram
16.18.06 #       <bobTHC> preglow > and as tvelocity[away] is a good guy he donate monthly the tantamount to your wage ;)
16.18.20 #       <preglow> i'm really quite convinced an asm cpu core will be faster
16.18.46 #       <preglow> tvelocity[away]: hey, i like where this i going, shall we say 100$ bucks an hour?
16.19.02 #       <tvelocity[away]> hahahahaah
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16.21.10 #       <amiconn> preglow: Why? Part of the asm cpu core code might be in iram, but it still needs to read the z80 instructions from sdram. Z80 instructions are usually single bytes, so that might be even slower than running m68k code from sdram (and having it in the icache for loops)
16.26.35 #       <HCl> either way.
16.26.38 #       <HCl> we can do both.
16.26.46 #       <HCl> dynarec can be integrated into an assembly cpu core
16.26.59 #       <HCl> and it won't be up to full speed without one anyways
16.27.07 #       <HCl> so its better to write the assembly cpu core first
16.27.13 #       <HCl> then if thats not fast enough, add dynarec
16.28.34 #       <HCl> at the moment i'm more interested in on the fly playlist creation
16.28.56 #       <preglow> after seeing how huge a frigging boost i got from adding some table data to my imdct_l routine, i realized how bloody important it is
16.29.10 #       <preglow> i even use movem for the data in question, so should be fast also in sdram
16.29.11 #       <preglow> but no
16.29.42 #       <preglow> most of the interpreter core should fit in the code cache
16.29.51 #       <preglow> so don't use iram for code
16.30.13 #       <preglow> how much ram does the gameboy have?
16.30.42 #       <amiconn> Up to 4 meg are possible (mostly rom)
16.30.51 #       <preglow> yeah, i meant ram
16.31.10 #       <preglow> or can carts add extra ram as well?
16.32.38 #       <amiconn> I'm not that much into gameboy hardware, but I think this is possible
16.33.24 #       <amiconn> I don't understand why you're explicitly asking for ram though
16.33.39 #       <preglow> well, if it's very little, just stuff it in iram
16.33.51 #       <preglow> z80 has few registers, so it'll be accessed a lot
16.34.07 #       <preglow> doing byte and word accesses on a coldfire is slow enough as it is
16.34.32 #       <HCl> it can only have 16bits of adress space
16.34.34 #       <HCl> at the same time
16.34.43 #       <HCl> of which the lower 8k are rom
16.34.44 #       <preglow> what about bank switching?
16.34.53 #       <preglow> does it do that?
16.34.55 #       <HCl> yes
16.35.02 #       <amiconn> Do you propose copy-on-bankswitch? Now _that_ may be slow
16.35.31 #       <preglow> no, i don't
16.35.32 #       <HCl> i meant < 0x8000 are rom o.o
16.35.44 #       <HCl> thats 32kb..
16.36.19 #       <HCl> it has two banks
16.36.36 #       <HCl> wait, maybe i'm wrong about that o.o
16.37.15 #       <HCl> either way, everything below 0x8000 in gb address space is rom
16.37.41 #       <HCl> 64kb of adress space in total
16.39.21 #       <HCl> preglow: how fast is mp3 now?
16.40.20 #       <preglow> very fast, once i get linus' as well as my last changes in iram at the same time
16.40.29 #       <preglow> approaching 300% realtime
16.41.15 #       <HCl> at 120mhz, i assume?
16.41.19 #       <HCl> what about 48mhz?
16.41.20 #       <preglow> aye
16.41.23 #       <preglow> close to 100%
16.41.27 #       <HCl> hrm
16.41.33 #       <HCl> is that enough?
16.41.46 #       <preglow> oh yes
16.42.50 #       <MoosCamaro> preglow: good progress
16.42.52 #       <Shagnar> will linus' mp3-play-test be implemented like the /sample.wav test?
16.43.17 #       <preglow> who knows
16.43.18 #       <preglow> i doubt it
16.43.23 #       <HCl> preglow: what about 320bps ?
16.43.43 #       <preglow> HCl: that's what i'm talking about
16.43.46 #       <HCl> okay.
16.43.51 #       <HCl> just checking
16.44.04 #       <t0mas> Shagnar: I asked the same at the mailinglist ;)
16.44.17 #       <Shagnar> got an answer?
16.44.22 #       <t0mas> not yet
16.44.26 #       <Shagnar> kk
16.44.40 #       <t0mas> preglow: 300% @ 320bps? (120 mhz)
16.44.44 #       <t0mas> thats fast...
16.44.51 #       <preglow> t0mas: it MIGHT be there once i get all my shit together
16.44.56 #       <t0mas> ok
16.44.58 #       <preglow> after some more work
16.45.01 #       <preglow> i just haven't got the time
16.57.50 #       <Shagnar> rockboy with grayscale is much more better than in monochrome...^^
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17.06.28 #       <Psy^Dead> congrats on the 5 seconds of iriver mp3 :)
17.06.37 #       <Psy^Dead> good choice of mp3 to use too
17.06.58 #       <CoCoLUS> did i miss something?
17.07.05 #       <Psy^Dead> mailing list
17.07.24 #       <Psy^Dead> iriver has mp3 test playback
17.07.29 #       <CoCoLUS> wow
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17.07.53 #       <Psy^Dead> To follow up on the Rockbox tradition, here is the news:
17.07.53 #       <Psy^Dead>  
17.07.53 #       <Psy^Dead> A few minutes ago, I played the first 5 seconds of real-time MP3 audio on my iRiver H140.
17.07.53 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Psy^Dead
17.07.53 #       <Psy^Dead>  
17.07.53 #       <Psy^Dead> This was an experimental hack, so there are lots of things left to do to enjoy MP3 playback for real, but it's not far away now.
17.07.54 ***     Alert Mode level 1
17.07.54 #       <Psy^Dead>  
17.07.56 #       <Psy^Dead> Nevertheless, we have passed a milestone in the iRiver project.
17.07.58 #       <Psy^Dead>  
17.08.00 #       <Psy^Dead> Of course, the 5 seconds of audio was Machinae Supremacy, this time The Great Gianna Sisters.
17.08.02 #       <Psy^Dead> You can download it here: http://www.machinaesupremacy.com/downloads/machinae_supremacy_-_gianna_sisters.mp3
17.08.04 #       <Psy^Dead>  
17.08.06 #       <Psy^Dead> Keep on rocking!!!
17.08.08 #       <preglow> a link would have done graet...
17.08.08 #       <Psy^Dead>  
17.08.10 #       <Psy^Dead> Linus
17.08.19 #       <Psy^Dead> im subscribed, i dont have a link :P
17.08.22 #       <preglow> haha
17.08.26 #       <preglow> the archives are on the web
17.08.40 #       <Psy^Dead> yeah, but im lazy
17.09.11 #       <Psy^Dead> congrats anyway
17.09.16 #       <CoCoLUS> rockbox ml or rockbox-news ?
17.09.25 #       <Psy^Dead> i know you did most of the codec porting pre
17.09.37 #       <Psy^Dead> http://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox
17.10.00 #       <preglow> i just did the optimizing
17.10.06 #       <preglow> porting was done by dave chapman
17.10.07 #       <HCl> yay.
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17.10.24 #       * HCl yawns
17.10.46 #       <Psy^Dead> tired or ungrateful? :P
17.10.52 #       <HCl> tired o.o
17.11.00 #       <preglow> hahah
17.11.04 #       <preglow> he think he tried to diss my work!!!
17.11.25 #       <preglow> i can see no other way out of this than through a duel
17.11.50 #       <preglow> trout shall be my weapon
17.12.52 #       <HCl> i'll take the extra thick edition of the hhgttg
17.13.35 #       <preglow> i've got that, and it's a light weight
17.13.39 #       <preglow> feathery paper
17.13.45 #       <preglow> you shall fall to my trout
17.14.04 #       <preglow> or maybe i'll bring my kreyzig book
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17.14.32 #       <muesli-> high
17.14.32 #       <CoCoLUS> argh
17.14.38 #       <CoCoLUS> three new star wars trailers :)
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17.29.37 #       <muesli-> l8er..
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18.28.37 #       <amiconn> mrf
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18.36.03 #       <preglow> i must be a masochist
18.36.37 #       <preglow> i'm actually itching to try optimizing the mdct in tremor
18.36.56 Part    lImbus
18.37.05 #       <preglow> it's actually quite emac friendly
18.38.14 #       <preglow> i do wonder how the PROD32 functions will do, though, the top bit is automatically shifted away by the multiplier
18.39.30 #       <preglow> if that bit is actually used, we've got a problem
18.53.42 #       <HCl> i thought markun was saying something about how the top 32bits being the most important ones..
18.53.53 #       <HCl> and him saying about how we couldn't use the emac for that cause of it
18.53.59 #       <HCl> i might be wrong though
18.54.01 #       <preglow> of course they are
18.54.57 #       <preglow> all my imdct_l opts use the top bits with emac instructions
18.55.02 #       <preglow> so he is quite obviously wrong
18.55.28 #       <preglow> i'd be happy to tell him how to use the emac in such a way, just have him ask
18.56.05 #       <preglow> vorbis optimizations don't look to be too hard, they often use a fixed point format that is equivalent to what the emac unit uses internally
18.57.12 #       <HCl> mhm.
18.57.35 #       <HCl> if i'm not too busy with my AI and compiler creation classes, i'll prolly take a look at converting dumb to fixed point
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18.57.51 #       <preglow> do that, i won't have time to do it for a long while
18.57.56 #       <preglow> i'll give you some pointers, though
18.58.01 #       <HCl> please do :)
18.58.15 #       <preglow> just let me know when you're at it
18.58.53 #       * t0mas is away: dinner :)
19.00.01 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I found another bug in my FAT code - it would have failed in the FAT16 root. Again - argh!
19.00.03 #       <amiconn> And I checked the 'clear whole clusters' thing, this is working correctly. Phew.
19.00.07 #       <amiconn> I've uploaded a fixed version of my patch to the usual place. I've added some more debug info as well.
19.00.34 #       <amiconn> ...would have failed in certain cases, of course
19.02.43 #       <preglow> HCl: dumb will probably be a iriver only codec unless you also plan on writing fixed point functions in c
19.02.58 #       <HCl> mmmmmm?
19.03.03 #       <HCl> *watches his cat race by*
19.03.20 #       * amiconn is awaiting the MAS .wav 'codec'
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19.14.29 #       <preglow> i'm away
19.18.52 #       <HCl> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=PluginRock
19.18.52 #       <HCl> boy
19.19.02 #       * HCl slaps putty
19.24.52 #       <HCl> amiconn: would be interesting, but would it be of any use?
19.24.59 #       <HCl> aside from playing wavs o.o
19.25.05 #       <HCl> hm. i guess it might make rockboy sound work too
19.25.12 #       <HCl> if it wasn't that the archos is way too slow for it
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19.48.46 #       <stevenm> Hello people
19.48.52 #       <HCl> hey stevenm 
19.49.05 #       <stevenm> I just cut off a few operatios.. Anyone feel like timing midi2wav?
19.49.06 #       <HCl> any progress from your side of the world?
19.49.19 #       <HCl> mmm, if you're prepared to wait roughly half an hour
19.49.21 #       <stevenm> Yea.. I cut out a few shifts
19.49.22 #       <HCl> bit busy at the moment
19.49.30 #       <stevenm> Sure..I have physics now
19.49.42 #       <stevenm> then another class after that.. if my battery lasts that long, then sure
19.49.48 #       <HCl> okay
19.49.50 #       <HCl>  :)
19.49.55 #       <stevenm> yea
19.50.18 #       <stevenm> I am hoping like, 75% realtime out of this
19.50.29 #       <HCl>  :)
19.50.41 #       <stevenm> haven't committed the code yet though, want to make sure it actualy works first
19.50.47 #       <stevenm> so I'll upload a .tar
19.54.24 #       <HCl> k
19.59.04 #       <HCl> okay
19.59.04 #       <HCl> got time
19.59.15 #       <HCl> if i can find my iriver
20.00.47 #       <HCl> which i can and have
20.01.10 #       <stevenm> Hi
20.01.15 #       <HCl> hey
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20.01.46 #       <stevenm> okay, here is tarfile: http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/midi.tbz2
20.01.54 #       <stevenm> that untars into /apps/plugins
20.02.23 #       <stevenm> and you'll need the soundset if you dont have it.. http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/patchset.tbz2 .. untars into .rockbox
20.02.37 #       <stevenm> and here's the test file: http://wam.umd.edu/~stevenm/mi1.mid
20.06.18 #       <HCl> okay
20.06.31 #       <HCl> sorry, i had to rewrite a script a bit since it was malfunctioning
20.06.35 #       * HCl gets
20.06.41 #       <stevenm> sok
20.06.50 #       <stevenm> midi2wav.rock then goes to .rockbox/viewers
20.07.09 #       <stevenm> make sure its clocked to 120mhz or else it take forever
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20.13.17 #       * HCl goes to build
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20.13.58 #       <hcl> sucks.
20.14.00 #       <hcl> anyways
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20.14.29 #       <stevenm> there you go
20.15.27 #       <t0mas> has anybody looked at radio for iRiver?
20.15.45 #       <rasher> not yet, austriancoder said he might
20.16.12 #       <rasher> or he may already be at it, this was 10 hours ago, and I left in the middle of the conversation
20.16.19 #       <t0mas> ghehe
20.16.22 #       <t0mas> he's pretty fast ;)
20.16.30 #       * t0mas wanted to take a look at it too..
20.16.43 #       <rasher> around 12:00 in the logs
20.16.51 #       <t0mas> (not that I think I can do it... but still :))
20.17.29 #       <rasher> ah, no word from him since
20.18.39 #       <t0mas> hmz... the chip is the same as the ondio?
20.18.50 #       <t0mas> so the code is there? we just need an I2C driver? :)
20.18.55 #       <rasher> yeah
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20.20.33 #       <t0mas> to bad I know nothing of that I2C thing...
20.20.37 #       <stevenm> rasher, love the IRC stats :)
20.20.44 #       <muesli-> hoi
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20.22.26 #       <HCl> stevenm: how do i build midi2wav
20.22.26 #       <HCl> ?
20.22.30 #       <HCl> its not getting built
20.22.35 #       <HCl> maybe i need to cvs update >.>
20.22.38 #       <HCl> *goes to check*
20.22.43 #       <stevenm> yea.. it's in SOURCES in CVS
20.23.05 #       <stevenm> yea you prolly wanna get the latest CVS.. then untar that tarfile in there. I put it in sources, added to viewers.config, etc
20.23.39 #       * t0mas is bored... and the only thing I can think of to code is to difficult... as I don't know that I2C thing
20.23.41 #       <HCl> yea
20.29.17 #       <HCl> ok finally
20.29.19 #       * HCl goes to test
20.29.26 #       <HCl> t0mas: you can make a start with the runtime lib
20.29.43 #       <t0mas> what should it do? :)
20.29.46 #       <HCl> t0mas: it pretty much involves searching for the code that gets executed when a song is done playing
20.29.47 #       <stevenm> HCl, see how long it takes ..
20.29.56 #       <HCl> t0mas: keep track of how many times a song has been played
20.30.04 #       <t0mas> ooooh that idea
20.30.11 #       <HCl> and keep track when a song was last played
20.30.11 #       <t0mas> for playcount/autoplaylist?
20.30.21 #       <HCl> for advanced playlist generation
20.30.28 #       <t0mas> wasn't rasher working with that too?
20.30.37 #       <HCl> "give me all rocksongs of the 80's and 90's that last longer than 3 minutes that have been played at least 5 times"
20.30.40 #       <HCl> stuff like that.
20.30.45 #       <HCl> well, mostly database stuff.
20.30.48 #       <HCl> there's not any code yet.
20.30.59 #       * HCl goes to test the midi
20.31.04 #       <stevenm> HCl, thanks
20.31.05 #       <amiconn> HCl: The MAS .wav codec should allow playing .mods as well
20.31.17 #       <rasher> I'm probably not going to be of much help
20.31.22 #       <rasher> code-wise
20.31.24 #       <HCl> amiconn: are mods low profile enough?
20.31.44 #       <amiconn> Think so, at least the 4-channel protracker (-derivates)
20.31.58 #       <HCl> mk
20.32.09 #       <HCl> okay
20.32.12 #       <amiconn> If a stock 7 MHz AMiga is able to play them, an 11..12 MHz should as well
20.32.13 #       <HCl> time for my timed midi run
20.32.19 #       <HCl> true
20.32.39 #       <HCl> the autodetection of rolo isn't working for me properly
20.33.01 #       <HCl> stevenm: it crashed.
20.33.09 #       <stevenm> HCl, hmm? What it say?
20.33.10 #       <HCl> I0B:Line-F
20.33.29 #       <stevenm> HCl, what's that? How far did it get in loading?
20.33.33 #       <muesli-> yepp, got this in rockboy too
20.33.44 #       <HCl> it showed \<midifilename>
20.33.46 #       <HCl> and then it crashed
20.33.51 #       <HCl> muesli-: mm?
20.33.57 #       <stevenm> HCl, you have the patchset in .rockbox ?
20.34.02 #       <HCl> yes
20.34.15 #       * HCl goes to get a paperclip
20.34.37 #       <muesli-> HCl when i started super mario i got an error msg like this and the player hang up
20.34.37 #       <stevenm> HCl, that is strange. 
20.35.13 #       <HCl> hmyea
20.35.17 #       <HCl> it seems all plugins are broken
20.35.20 #       <HCl> at least rockboy too.
20.35.27 #       <stevenm> HCl, ALL plugins ?
20.35.38 #       <HCl> well, at least rockboy
20.35.51 #       <stevenm> HCl, Ah, I see
20.36.05 #       <HCl> and yes
20.36.06 #       <HCl> all plugins
20.36.09 #       <HCl> minesweeper crashes too
20.36.22 #       <stevenm> HCl, we tested midi last night and it ran fine.. and the only changes I made would have caused a crash on patch load
20.36.26 #       <stevenm> hmm.
20.36.30 #       <stevenm> THAt is not good
20.36.48 #       <HCl> even pong breaks
20.36.55 #       <HCl> i'm not gonna be able to test anything with current cvs
20.36.57 #       <stevenm> all with the same error?
20.37.01 #       <HCl> yes
20.37.08 #       <stevenm> strange
20.37.11 #       <stevenm> LinusN, any ideas >
20.37.12 #       <stevenm> ?
20.38.11 #       <HCl> can someone explain/tell me why the rockbox logo on the remote is upside down?
20.39.06 #       <amiconn> HCl: (crashing plugins) Seems your plugins don't match your rockbox.iriver (plugin api mismatch), and the api version was not bumped
20.39.07 #       <rasher> HCl: your build sounds brooooken
20.39.24 #       <HCl> i'll try to rebuild completely..
20.39.35 #       <HCl> but as far as i know
20.39.37 #       <HCl> i already did
20.42.03 #       <rasher> oh, no.. getting I0B as well
20.42.26 #       <rasher> on a fresh build
20.42.47 #       <stevenm> so, what happen ?
20.43.14 #       <rasher> haha, helloworld works... sortof
20.43.18 #       <stevenm> Something in recent CVS ?
20.43.56 #       <HCl> linus changed the memory location thing recently...
20.43.57 #       <HCl> i think..
20.44.13 #       <stevenm> HCl, yea I see that in the recent CVS.. would that affect plugins somehow?
20.44.18 #       <rasher> sounds like that could be it
20.44.20 #       <HCl> yes.
20.44.22 #       <rasher> try "helloworld" plugin
20.44.27 #       <rasher> it outputs garbage
20.44.29 #       <HCl> helloworld "works"
20.44.30 #       <HCl> yea.
20.47.36 #       <t0mas> hm...
20.47.36 #       <t0mas> -#define DRAMORIG 0x30000000
20.47.36 #       <t0mas> +#define DRAMORIG 0x31000000
20.47.41 #       <t0mas> can that be a problem?
20.47.43 #       <HCl> is there any way to revert certain files to the old version?
20.47.51 #       <t0mas> checkout the old version?
20.47.54 #       <HCl> how?
20.48.08 #       <t0mas> I don't know the options out of the blue
20.48.14 #       <t0mas> normally use a graphical client
20.48.33 #       <HCl> i'll just change everything back to the 3000..
20.48.36 #       <HCl> see if it helps
20.48.37 #       <t0mas> cvs checkout -D date
20.48.51 #       <t0mas> yesterday might work?
20.49.30 #       <HCl> mk..
20.49.36 #       <HCl> already changed everything back by hand
20.49.56 #       <t0mas> ok, is that working?
20.49.59 #       <HCl> dunno
20.50.01 #       <HCl> compiling
20.50.34 #       <stevenm> change of classes, back in 10 min
20.51.13 #       <HCl> k
20.51.26 #       <LinusN> all plugins must be compiled
20.51.29 #       <LinusN> recompiled
20.51.34 #       <HCl> i did that.
20.51.35 #       <HCl> it broke.
20.51.42 #       <LinusN> oops
20.52.27 #       <HCl> let me guess
20.52.30 #       <HCl> plugins.lds =]
20.52.47 #       <LinusN> yup
20.53.03 #       * t0mas is waiting for an *OOPS* commit ;)
20.54.27 #       <LinusN> done
20.55.12 #       <t0mas> wow that's fast
20.56.13 #       * HCl tries steven's timing thing now
20.56.40 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Btw, what was the problem with the old sdram start address?
20.56.54 #       * HCl is curious to that too.
20.57.51 #       <LinusN> the sdram was mirrored in an unfortunate manner
20.59.24 #       <HCl> causing..?
21.00.10 #       <LinusN> badness :-)
21.00.15 #       * HCl wonders whether it causes/fixes his upside down rockbox logo on his remote..
21.00.18 #       <HCl> okay
21.00.32 #       <LinusN> the 32mb was suddenly two copies of the first 16mbytes
21.00.39 #       <HCl> eep
21.00.49 #       <HCl> how'd that happen o.o
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21.01.02 #       <LinusN> read the comments in crt0.S
21.01.06 #       <HCl> kay
21.01.08 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Was that the real cause of the freezes you observed?
21.01.21 #       <LinusN> overwriting the vector table
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21.01.28 #       <stevenm> I'm back
21.01.34 #       <stevenm> HCl, any luck w/ the plugin?
21.01.48 #       <HCl> recompiling
21.01.57 #       <stevenm> ok
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21.02.48 #       <CoCoLUS> btw, how was the 5 second mp3 playback done, like the wav test or in something that could be called a start of the multi codec architecture?
21.03.13 #       <LinusN> start of the codec arch
21.03.23 #       <muesli-> kewl
21.03.29 #       <muesli-> cheers linus
21.03.37 #       <CoCoLUS> made my day ;)
21.04.06 #       <HCl> LinusN: rolo doesn't seem to detect an rockbox firmware update on my iriver, any idea why?
21.04.27 #       <LinusN> sometimes it just doesn't :_)
21.04.36 #       <HCl> k o.o
21.05.01 #       <HCl> um, steven
21.05.05 #       <HCl> it said could not load file
21.05.28 #       * HCl stares at it saying "i hope this works"
21.05.47 #       <stevenm> HCl, is there HD activity ?
21.05.51 #       <HCl> yes
21.06.14 #       <HCl> 1 minute 15 seconds passed, including the loading patches bit
21.06.20 #       <stevenm> HCl, interesting, so it must be synthesizing. I wonder what though
21.06.28 #       <stevenm> HCl, what file could it not load?
21.06.41 #       <HCl> um, i just clicked the select button on the midi file
21.07.18 #       <stevenm> HCl, all right... I guess it looks like it is running. I am just curious, what specific error did you get?
21.07.18 #       <HCl> i'm just hoping it'll stop eventually o.o.
21.07.32 #       <HCl> can't say, it went too fast, something with unable to load file
21.07.33 #       <stevenm> HCl, at 120Mhz it should not take more than 2 and a half min
21.07.37 #       <HCl> then it proceeded to load patches
21.07.37 #       <HCl> ouch.
21.07.39 #       <HCl> >.>
21.07.42 #       <HCl> i forgot 120mhz
21.07.43 #       <HCl> sorry
21.07.53 #       <stevenm> HCl, it started NAMING patches?
21.08.03 #       <HCl> naming? o.o.
21.08.13 #       <stevenm> like, started showing their names on the screen
21.08.34 #       <stevenm> because it would have said "Error opening [something].pat" if it cannot find the patchset
21.08.40 #       <HCl> gonna start again
21.08.42 #       <HCl> no, not that
21.08.55 #       <HCl> "Could not open file"
21.08.58 #       <HCl> "LOADING PATCHES"
21.08.59 #       <stevenm> Hold on a sec
21.09.11 #       <HCl> and then it quickly says something about -7 and size
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21.09.19 #       <HCl>  "/mi1.mid"
21.09.22 #       <HCl> it said that before everything
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21.09.58 #       <stevenm> HCl, -7 size is a .wav thing, that always happens with xxx2wav
21.10.03 #       <HCl> okay
21.10.27 #       <stevenm> HCl, it says 'Could not open file" if the file descriptor for the .mid file is 0. I was under the impression that 0 means invalid
21.10.38 #       <stevenm> HCl, so if it got changed to -1 or something, then no worries
21.10.39 #       <HCl> no, -1 means invalid
21.10.57 #       <stevenm> HCl, ah, that explains it ... .. the sim version must be different
21.10.57 #       <HCl> okay, i didn't time this run though..
21.11.09 #       <HCl> it ended
21.11.12 #       <stevenm> HCl, ah.. well you should (hopefully) get a .wav
21.11.16 #       <HCl> let me try again and time
21.11.17 #       <stevenm> miditest.wav and it should be working
21.11.20 #       <stevenm> HCl, thanks
21.11.36 #       <HCl> 9:11:28 starting time
21.13.09 #       <rasher> stevenm: if you want to time, you can look at how battery_test does it .. it's super-easy
21.13.26 #       <stevenm> rasher, will do
21.13.31 #       <HCl> heh
21.13.36 #       <HCl> exactly 2 minutes
21.13.40 #       <stevenm> rasher, I just squashed a few shifts in this one, and precomputed a few things
21.13.43 #       <stevenm> HCl, thanks
21.14.00 #       <rasher> rb->get_current_tick() or something
21.14.01 #       <stevenm> Wow that is 78% realtime
21.14.06 #       <HCl> interesting, the plugin fix also flipped my rockbox logo the way its supposed to be
21.14.09 #       <rasher> just subtract that from start/end, and you're good
21.14.14 #       <HCl> on the remote
21.14.27 #       <rasher> that's pretty crazy
21.14.51 #       <stevenm> HCl, just out of curiosity.. the output file, miditest.wav, is it mangled or sounding ok?
21.14.56 #       <HCl> no idea
21.14.57 #       <amiconn> stevenm: 0 is always a valid file descriptor, also for the simulator. It's just that you won't see fd == 0 on the sim very often.
21.14.58 #       <HCl> let me play.
21.15.12 #       <stevenm> amiconn, all right, will change
21.15.47 #       <stevenm> amiconn, yea, it's -1 in other places.. I must have missed one here
21.15.56 #       <HCl> i know this song.
21.15.56 #       <HCl> o.o;
21.16.00 #       <HCl> ecco
21.16.04 #       <HCl> of sega
21.16.05 #       <HCl> oh wait
21.16.05 #       <HCl> no
21.16.05 DBUG    Enqueued KICK HCl
21.16.05 #       <HCl> xD
21.16.08 #       <stevenm> HCl, working?
21.16.09 #       <HCl> monkey island
21.16.10 #       <HCl> yup
21.16.12 #       <HCl> works fine
21.16.12 #       <stevenm> yep 
21.16.17 #       <stevenm> thanks, excellent
21.16.42 #       <HCl> 1:34
21.17.15 #       <stevenm> HCl, yea that should be file length
21.17.31 #       <stevenm> 94 sec / 120 sec = 0.78
21.17.45 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
21.17.45 #       * HCl nods
21.17.52 #       <stevenm> I know this is not the best way of doing it because different parts of the file have different load
21.18.03 #       <stevenm> but it works for average and gauging if it got any faster
21.18.31 #       <stevenm> next I have my eyes set on the output buffer and the huge if statements, see if that can be sped up any
21.18.47 #       <lolo-laptop> stevenm: do you think there is enough room for optimization to do midi playback in battery/heat feasible time?
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21.19.19 #       <rasher> I don't think heat will be a problem
21.19.22 #       <rasher> or.. it won't
21.19.41 #       <stevenm> lostlogic, I am hopeful. This is only optimization in C.. after nothing more can be done, I guess I can ask someone to help me optimize in ASM, like use emac, etc
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21.19.50 #       <rasher> not since we run the cpu at max 120mhz
21.20.04 #       <stevenm> lostlogic, heat I don't think is a big deal because we decided 140Mhz was too hot.. so then 120Mhz is fine ?
21.20.11 #       <lostlogic> gotcha
21.20.27 #       <ep0ch> quick question, does writing to disk add much of an overhead?
21.20.32 #       <stevenm> we can always cut the sampling rate again :)
21.20.46 #       <t0mas> ep0ch: yes
21.20.50 #       <t0mas> it slows things down
21.20.56 #       <stevenm> t0mas, this thing writes once every 3000 samples
21.21.13 #       <stevenm> t0mas, you think that causes too much slowdown ?
21.21.15 #       <HCl> you cut sampling rate?
21.21.15 #       <rasher> I ran my iriver for 5 hours straight at maximum cpu usage without overheating
21.21.17 #       <t0mas> don't know
21.21.23 #       <ep0ch> so stevenm might be running at realtime with disk output off
21.21.25 #       <HCl> stevenm: how many times per second is that?
21.21.32 #       <stevenm> HCl, yea right now it is at 22050Hz
21.21.35 #       <t0mas> ep0ch: don't think so
21.21.38 #       <ep0ch> ah
21.21.43 #       <t0mas> stevenm: you can test it?
21.21.44 #       <stevenm> well let's see here. it writes every 3000 BYTES
21.21.47 #       <t0mas> just remove diskwriting...
21.21.57 #       <stevenm> HCl, you wanna do a test w/o writing?
21.22.00 #       <t0mas> and run it with a stopwatch next to it ;)
21.22.00 #       <HCl> then yes. remove diskwriting
21.22.04 #       <HCl> definately :P
21.22.08 #       * t0mas too :)
21.22.14 #       <stevenm> HCl, all right, go to midi2wav.c
21.22.27 #       <HCl> mhm
21.22.41 #       <stevenm> Comment out line 214
21.22.43 #       <t0mas> in plugins right?
21.22.50 #       <t0mas> 				outputBufferPosition=0;
21.23.00 #       <HCl> k
21.23.07 #       <stevenm> nah I was gonna say, comment out the write(...) call
21.23.09 #       <t0mas> better comment out the whole if...
21.23.30 #       <t0mas> or is that line I copyed needed?
21.23.36 #       <stevenm> yea actually comment out everything in that loop but synthSample()
21.24.16 #       <HCl> ick.
21.24.17 #       <HCl> okay.
21.24.18 #       <stevenm> I actually wanna change the buffer to ints so that we don't have all the register overhead than that
21.24.48 #       <stevenm> and none of that crazy incrementing crap, just assign it and stuff. then it becomes faster.. worked for getsampe
21.25.09 #       * HCl runs to get his chrger
21.25.10 #       <HCl> charger
21.26.09 #       <lostlogic> will this midi playing on a portable audio player be a first?  I do not know of any others...
21.26.59 #       <HCl> counting
21.27.09 #       <ep0ch> anyone looking at DSP effects?
21.27.22 #       <HCl> nafaik
21.27.47 #       <HCl> doh!
21.27.50 #       * HCl forgot 120mhz again
21.27.51 #       <HCl> sorry
21.27.56 #       <stevenm> whoops
21.28.02 #       <stevenm> there is no disk activity this time, right ?
21.28.08 #       <HCl> nope
21.28.11 #       <stevenm> cool
21.28.24 #       <ep0ch> there's a noise shapening plugin for foobar that would be damn nice in rockbox
21.28.27 #       <stevenm> lostlogic, I guess it'd be pretty cool if it actually gets up to speed
21.28.51 #       <HCl> counting
21.28.58 #       <stevenm> btw I just subscribed to rockbox mail list.. sorry about the comments and code, etc. will fix
21.29.05 #       <stevenm> coding style/tabs
21.30.13 #       <HCl> hm....
21.30.23 #       <HCl> not realtime
21.30.38 #       <ep0ch> more than realtime? ;)
21.30.46 #       <HCl> thats disappointing
21.30.52 #       <HCl> it only made a difference of 4 seconds? o.o
21.31.23 #       <HCl> 1:56..
21.31.49 #       <stevenm> HCl, I see.. did you comment out just the write or the whole outputBuffer[...] stuff too
21.32.01 #       <HCl> outputbuffer stuff too.
21.32.05 #       <stevenm> ah
21.32.11 #       <stevenm> maybe it is done in the background or something
21.32.24 #       <stevenm> well there is still ASM stuff.. plus stuff to be done in C
21.32.31 #       <muesli-> l8er ladiez...
21.32.40 #       * rasher tries adding a timer to midi2wav
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21.34.55 #       <stevenm> rasher, sok, don't worry about it, I got it. Latest version isn't in CVS anyway
21.35.17 #       <t0mas> lol
21.35.25 #       <t0mas> out of total boredom I wrote a disco plugin :P
21.35.41 #       <t0mas> flashing both backlights :P
21.35.59 #       <rasher> oh dear
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21.37.24 #       <rasher> I want the plasma demo ><
21.37.28 #       <HCl>  :P
21.37.31 #       <preglow> LinusN: the wav playing crashes were due to the sdram mirroring?
21.37.31 #       <HCl> why don't we?
21.37.41 #       <HCl> we have grayscale, just need to finish the grayscale patch
21.37.49 #       <HCl> does anyone know whats lacking from the grayscale patch?
21.37.59 #       <rasher> look at the files
21.38.05 #       <rasher> lots of functions are blank
21.38.10 #       <HCl> okay.
21.38.15 #       <rasher> then optimizations of course
21.38.18 #       <HCl> i need to sleep properly for once...
21.38.19 #       <HCl>  :/
21.38.24 #       <preglow> wimp!
21.38.24 #       <HCl> then i can take a look at it
21.38.35 #       <HCl> no, seriously, i have insomnia :/
21.38.51 #       <rasher> If you have an uptime fixation, go here: http://rasher.dk/updike/ (sortof nsfw)
21.38.56 #       <preglow> i thought you meant to go to bed earlier
21.39.02 #       <preglow> actually not being able to sleep sucks worse
21.39.10 #       <HCl> yea..
21.39.11 #       <preglow> it's actually one of the suckiest things in existence
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21.40.00 #       <t0mas> ghehe
21.40.04 #       <t0mas> rasher? uptime in what?
21.40.09 #       <t0mas> days? hours?
21.40.21 #       <rasher> days I guess
21.40.28 #       <stevenm> try sleeping here.... it's like 90 degrees in our rooms because the univ. is too cheap to turn on A/C
21.40.49 #       <t0mas> [tomas@nigel tomas]$ uptime
21.40.49 #       <t0mas>  21:40:40 up 122 days,  9:41,  1 user,  load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00
21.40.56 #       <HCl>  21:38:49 up 46 days,  8:31, 11 users,  load average: 4.00, 4.00, 4.03
21.41.02 #       <stevenm> rasher, what the devil .. ?
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21.41.20 #       * HCl flexes his stable load average of 4, meaning all 4 of his processors are used to the max :p
21.41.24 #       <rasher> we all know uptime is proportional to penis size, why hide it?
21.41.39 #       <t0mas> lol
21.41.46 #       <rasher>  21:41:36 up 32 days,  9:57,  2 users,  load average: 1.63, 0.90, 0.70
21.41.51 #       * t0mas wins :P
21.42.12 #       <rasher> which reminds me.. I should tape the powerswitch
21.42.17 #       <t0mas> bobby:~# uptime
21.42.17 #       <t0mas>  21:42:12 up 243 days, 12:15,  1 user,  load average: 0.07, 0.02, 0.00
21.42.19 #       <t0mas> :P
21.42.23 #       <rasher> shut it down one night trying to turn on the light :(
21.42.41 #       <t0mas> and my router :)
21.42.42 #       <t0mas> [root@bruce root]# uptime
21.42.42 #       <t0mas>  21:42:21 up 122 days, 11:40,  1 user,  load average: 0.16, 0.03, 0.01
21.42.51 #       <stevenm> mine's only 16 days
21.43.02 #       <stevenm> and it's about to go to zero. battery almost dead
21.43.02 #       <t0mas> all three debian ofcourse :P
21.43.15 #       <t0mas> laptop? :)
21.43.18 #       <stevenm> this here be a gentoo laptop. gotta love suspend
21.43.19 #       <stevenm> yea
21.43.27 #       <t0mas> mine never makes it past one day...
21.43.28 #       <stevenm> I don't think I've rebooted in weeks
21.43.39 #       <stevenm> t0mas, I suspend it a lot
21.43.47 #       <t0mas> irritating high sound of the disk kills me...
21.43.55 #       <stevenm> oh yea
21.43.55 #       <t0mas> ah... that's a way :P
21.44.08 #       <t0mas> lol
21.44.17 #       <stevenm> my roommate has a 64 bit AMD with some insane graphics card and 2 huge hard drives. One is a Raptor- so much heat
21.44.18 #       <t0mas> check the page with 243 days :P
21.44.24 #       <stevenm> we can't sleep in that place
21.44.30 #       <stevenm> he never turns it off
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21.45.08 #       * HCl 's server is located near the washing machine for exactly that reason..
21.45.29 #       <rasher> mine's in the kitchen
21.45.37 #       <rasher> but.. still pretty close to my bed
21.45.48 #       <rasher> at least there's a door
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21.45.52 #       <asdsd_> 1010,00hey guys
21.45.59 #       <t0mas> mine are downstairs...
21.46.09 #       <t0mas> in a closet...
21.46.12 #       <t0mas> never heard them
21.46.18 #       <HCl> my server has 7 8cm fans :P
21.46.19 #       <rasher> I have no downstairs :)
21.46.50 #       <hubbel> cool.. my sound driver is in the cvs :) how is the audio api going?
21.46.59 #       <stevenm> Okay I have to go now. THis thing is about to die
21.47.00 #       <stevenm> bye all
21.47.08 #       <t0mas> bye
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21.47.19 #       <HCl> hubbel: its going, linus played the first 5 seconds of an mp3 this morning..
21.48.30 #       <hubbel> Hcl: nice! I saw he fixed a DRAM bug today aswell
21.48.37 #       <HCl> yea
21.48.55 #       <HCl> there's also a rockboy sound driver, and we play the first 8mb of a wav.
21.49.36 #       <hubbel> I'm almost have the motivation to tweek and get recording to work now :)
21.49.50 #       <hubbel> last time it crashed horribly =)
21.50.25 #       <HCl>  :p
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21.55.23 #       * HCl feels like fixing up grayscale and getting it into cvs, finally
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21.55.31 #       <preglow> that would be plain smashing
21.55.44 #       <rasher> totally
21.55.46 #       <HCl> but first i want to eat some food and finish this anime
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21.55.57 #       <preglow> food sounds good
21.55.58 #       <rasher> Plasma demo!!
21.56.15 #       <HCl> rasher: i'll finish the grayscale patch if you make the plasma demo :P
21.56.30 #       <rasher> there *is* a plasma demo
21.56.35 #       <HCl> oh
21.56.35 #       <rasher> in the patchtracker
21.56.35 #       <HCl> o.o
21.56.39 #       <HCl> okay
21.56.39 #       <HCl> o.o
21.56.45 #       <rasher> I want :D
21.56.49 #       <HCl> yes yes.
21.56.55 #       <HCl> you want you want you need you need.
21.57.03 #       <rasher> I suuuuuure do
21.57.06 #       * HCl goes to check on food
21.57.16 #       <rasher> well, I just get excited :)
21.59.26 #       <HCl>  :P
21.59.35 #       <HCl> well, i know how the new format works, i know how the old format works
21.59.41 #       <HCl> i don't see why it should be too difficult :)
21.59.46 #       <HCl> i'll check on it after i finish food
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22.03.37 #       <amiconn> rasher: The plasma demo will need some fixup. It uses floating point...
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22.04.39 #       <rasher> aw
22.04.46 #       <preglow> good reason to learn fixed point math
22.04.47 #       <preglow> !
22.05.11 #       <rasher> I guess you could say that
22.05.12 #       <elinenbe> HCl: grayscale in CVS = good
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22.05.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: this wav codec you are talking about accepts plain pcm data, yes?
22.05.28 #       <preglow> i thought you meant .wav files, heh
22.05.29 #       <rasher> would probably be better if I did it with something I understood
22.05.55 #       <preglow> no patches today either :/
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22.06.46 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, we should call it "PCM codec" to be precise. For some reason it is almost always called WAV codec...
22.07.24 #       <preglow> amiconn: how the flaming hell did they avoid bundling such a thing to begin with?
22.07.44 #       <amiconn> Most likely an IP problem
22.08.17 #       <amiconn> The MAS is developed by Micronas, and they offer a very primitive PCM pass-through
22.08.41 #       <amiconn> This PCM pass-through can only handle 44.1kHz 16 bit stereo, with no buffering
22.08.59 #       <preglow> hahah, the plasma uses LONG DOUBLES
22.09.10 #       <rasher> sounds great
22.09.12 #       <preglow> the only float format gcc doesn't support emulating
22.09.16 #       <amiconn> ...and from the MAS' parallel port input, which is not connected in the archos boxes
22.09.36 #       <preglow> amiconn: this'll be more flexible?
22.09.36 #       <amiconn> preglow: It actually works on archos
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22.09.55 #       <preglow> then gcc has long double routines for sh
22.09.58 #       <preglow> it doesn not for gcc
22.10.02 #       <stevenm> ah the joys of an air conditioned room
22.10.06 #       <preglow> at least they weren't listed in the file i looked at
22.10.43 #       <amiconn> Afaik, the Archos multimedia jukeboxes, also use the MAS for audio decoding, and obviously there was demand for PCM support
22.11.33 #       <amiconn> So archos developed their own PCM codec, which is said to be much more capable. Handling different sample frequencies, using buffering etc.
22.11.48 #       <preglow> hahah
22.11.49 #       <amiconn> We *believe* that it also support serial transfers
22.11.59 #       <preglow> a ton of code just for generating a sine table
22.12.20 #       <rasher> preglow: plasma?
22.12.22 #       <preglow> yes
22.12.34 #       <rasher> ^_^
22.12.40 #       <amiconn> preglow: If that's the only place were floats are used, the fix should be simple
22.12.40 #       <HCl> darn
22.12.51 #       <HCl> i really need to fix my icq so i can reach markun..
22.12.52 #       <preglow> the fix will be simple anyway
22.13.03 #       <preglow> i just don't see why he doesn't use a precalced sine table in such a little plugin
22.13.16 #       <preglow> if you use interpolation, you need very few points
22.13.30 #       <amiconn> Iirc it was for educational purposes
22.13.39 #       <stevenm> would it be possible to reverse engineer the firmware in the other models and see how the PCM codec works?
22.13.43 #       <preglow> 128 points with linear interpolation is sufficient for high fidelity audio use, so it's much, much more than adequate here
22.13.49 #       <amiconn> Otherwise he could just have copied the sine table from cube.c
22.14.04 #       <amiconn> ...which is 1 degree resolution
22.14.14 #       <preglow> hokay
22.14.32 #       <preglow> if its educational i guess there's a point to it
22.14.41 #       <amiconn> Unfortunately that one uses the odd fixed point format I once mentioned
22.14.59 #       <amiconn> (divide by a power of 10 instead of a power of 2)
22.15.22 #       <preglow> there are no floats in the main loop
22.15.38 #       <preglow> just switching everything from 'long double' to 'double' should have this working on iriver as well
22.15.42 #       * amiconn should really get up to full speed rockbox dev again
22.15.55 #       <preglow> provided someone code the grayscale lib for iriver as well, of course :V
22.16.09 #       <HCl> do you have your iriver yet amiconn?
22.16.11 #       <amiconn> Wah, I *want* my iriver
22.16.17 #       <HCl> thats a no
22.16.18 #       <HCl>  :P
22.16.20 #       <amiconn> §!$§"!
22.16.24 #       <preglow> amiconn: call the shop, dress them down for being fools and get one another place
22.16.46 #       <HCl> i say try ebay since there aren't gonna be many shops that'll still have them
22.17.31 #       <amiconn> There are quite some H-1xxs on ebay now
22.17.36 #       <preglow> i can imagine
22.17.45 #       * amiconn missed 2 H-140s ending today
22.18.04 #       <rasher> what did they go for?
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22.18.15 #       <amiconn> Slightly above 300,- €
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22.18.27 #       <rasher> jesus christ
22.18.39 #       <rasher> that's what I paid for mine, new
22.18.53 #       <amiconn> Where?
22.18.55 #       <rasher> oh wait, mine's h120
22.19.08 #       <amiconn> Ah, that explains it
22.19.38 #       <rasher> But mp3players.co.uk .. half a year ago though
22.19.44 #       <rasher> I don't think they have them there anymore
22.19.45 #       <stevenm> I wanna get one.. you guys think it's worth waiting for the 3x0 port or get an h1x0 now?
22.19.54 #       <HCl> i have no idea.
22.20.02 #       <HCl> i think in the end i might prefer 3x0
22.20.02 #       <muesli-> re
22.20.17 #       <amiconn> stevenm: I'd definitely prefer H-1x0
22.20.26 #       <HCl> amiconn: why?
22.20.27 #       <stevenm> amiconn, any reason?
22.20.40 #       <HCl> aside from no optical out (i think?)
22.20.48 #       <CoCoLUS> rockbox runs on it? :)
22.20.50 #       <amiconn> ..because I don't like energy-consuming colour displays on mobile devices, but maybe that's just me
22.20.51 #       <stevenm> ..assuming there is a rockbox 3x0 port ... ... there is going to be one, right ?
22.21.02 #       <HCl> thats a good point.
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22.21.17 #       <HCl> stevenm: LinusN said it should be fairly easy
22.21.22 #       * amiconn 's mobile phone is also b&w only
22.21.39 #       <stevenm> awesome! color rockbox
22.22.12 #       <muesli-> yepp, i am also thinking about a change to 3x
22.22.45 #       <muesli-> that colour display is awesome
22.22.59 #       <t0mas> it just eats your batts out...
22.23.07 #       * lostlogic is _eagerly_ waiting for H3x0 support.
22.23.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: colour lcds consume almost no extra power compared to a b&w display
22.23.19 #       <rasher> gbc on h3x0 :D
22.23.23 #       <muesli-> you dont need it, just use your remote as usual
22.23.30 #       <stevenm> Is 3x0 faster?
22.23.41 #       <lostlogic> stevenm: not afaics
22.23.43 #       <muesli-> nope, same hardware stuff built in
22.23.49 #       <stevenm> ah
22.23.49 #       <muesli-> afaik
22.23.51 #       * micoo is _eagerly_ waiting for gmini400 support.
22.23.59 #       <preglow> micoo: don't hold your breath
22.23.59 #       <micoo> :(
22.24.03 #       <amiconn> preglow: Not the display itself, but almost all of them *require*backlighting in order to be able to decipher anything
22.24.07 #       <lostlogic> slightly different /upgraded chips here and there in the H3, but nothing major
22.24.09 #       <preglow> amiconn: indeed
22.24.35 #       <preglow> if you never use your backlight, that will be an issue
22.24.54 #       <stevenm> I was showing my friend ajbrec w/ rockbox and video plugin. He has korean firmware on 3x0
22.25.02 #       <amiconn> However, I know that it's possible to build colour LCDs that are readable with very little or no extra backlighting if the ambient light is strong enough
22.25.02 #       <t0mas> eh... the white colorlcd backlight uses more power than thow simple blue leds right?
22.25.05 #       <stevenm> he was very excited to say he was watching stargate on that at 8 fps
22.25.16 #       <amiconn> ...because I actually saw such a display recently
22.25.45 #       <stevenm> I was like.. yea, rockbox has video at 70 fps.. on a chip 10x as slow
22.25.55 #       <preglow> haha
22.26.01 #       <preglow> the coding technology is slightly different...
22.26.06 #       * amiconn wonders why not all mobile device manufacturers use such types of colours LCDs
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22.26.31 #       <muesli-> i have seen on oled on a pmp
22.26.40 #       <preglow> never saw an oled
22.26.40 #       <muesli-> that was really amazing!
22.26.51 #       <muesli-> really phantastic
22.26.58 #       <muesli-> no viewing angle
22.27.15 #       <amiconn> oled is most likely not teh big power saver either
22.27.22 #       <muesli-> doesnt matter how you look at it, its ALWAYS great
22.27.35 #       <muesli-> no, oled needs less energy
22.27.48 #       <muesli-> the hidden trap is the lifecycle
22.27.53 #       <amiconn> ..than colour lcd with backlight, yes
22.27.57 #       <muesli-> its limited so far
22.28.10 #       <amiconn> ...but not compared to b&w lcd without backlight
22.28.45 #       <preglow> i do prefer lighted surfaces anyway
22.28.53 #       <preglow> food
22.29.06 #       <muesli-> i have seen it at the cebit..once you own you dont want to change anymore..
22.29.17 #       <muesli-> it
22.29.38 #       <muesli-> http://www.neosoltech.com/eng/technology/oled.php
22.29.58 #       <muesli-> check the right box
22.30.52 #       <rasher> Well this is a company that *sells* oleds :)
22.30.55 #       <t0mas> "power consumpion under 5mW"
22.30.58 #       <t0mas> for what size? :P
22.30.58 #       <muesli-> nope
22.31.07 #       <muesli-> http://www.neosoltech.com/eng/product/product_tmr.php
22.31.22 #       <muesli-> i have seen this player on the fair
22.31.43 #       <rasher> I see.. they still have good reasons to be very positive about it :)
22.31.59 #       * t0mas starts thinking of the next rockbox port :P
22.32.24 #       <muesli-> its the future..plasma and tft have sufficient disadvantages
22.32.40 #       <rasher> Plasma is the devil
22.33.02 #       <rasher> if nothing else, then because they weigh a TON
22.33.10 #       <HCl> okay
22.33.20 #       * HCl fixed up trillian so it'll do icq again
22.33.34 #       * muesli- yawns at hcl: great
22.33.39 #       <muesli-> :)
22.33.54 #       <HCl>  :P well, after i finish my anime, i'll look at grayscale
22.34.01 #       <HCl> it mostly means that i should be able to contact markun again
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22.34.35 #       <muesli-> we are yearning for grayscale :D
22.34.51 #       <Tang_> himuesli
22.34.53 #       <Tang_> :)
22.35.08 #       <muesli-> high tang :D
22.35.17 #       <Tang_> :)
22.35.32 #       <t0mas> hi
22.35.50 #       <t0mas> HCl? have you ever looked at the dutch rockbox translation?
22.35.56 #       <HCl> no xd
22.35.57 #       <Tang_> hi t0mas
22.36.01 #       <Tang_> :)
22.36.03 #       <HCl> i absolutely hate software thats in dutch xD
22.36.06 #       <t0mas> ghehe
22.36.14 #       <t0mas> I use most things in English too
22.36.30 #       <muesli-> go oranje go :)
22.36.35 #       <t0mas> ghehe
22.36.39 #       <HCl> anyways.
22.36.44 #       * HCl goes to look at the grayscale patch
22.36.55 #       * muesli- jumps
22.37.03 #       <thegeek> I recently realized that I actually use english more than my native tongue(norwegian)
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22.37.32 #       <muesli-> all scandinavians and dutch speak english very well
22.37.40 #       <stevenm> sweet
22.37.44 #       <Tang_> lol
22.37.50 #       <stevenm> is there anyone else here from the us ?
22.38.07 #       <muesli-> i am yealeous on your tv program, no dubbed moviez etx
22.38.09 #       <muesli-> etc
22.38.09 #       <thegeek> I wish I lived in a large city
22.38.12 #       <thegeek> like london
22.38.15 #       <thegeek> or even oslo
22.38.28 #       <rasher> I'd die living in a large city
22.38.30 #       <thegeek> dubs = evil
22.38.36 #       <muesli-> yepp
22.38.47 #       <thegeek> I refuse to watch anything that is dubbed
22.38.51 #       <thegeek> it's just too horrible
22.38.52 #       <t0mas> muesli-: we have to speak English...
22.39.00 #       <t0mas> nobody speaks dutch
22.39.23 #       <muesli-> we do not..but those idiots transform any englisch word in to german
22.39.25 #       <t0mas> and dutch translations of most software have _REALLY_ bad error messages and things like that
22.39.28 #       <preglow> i hate large cities
22.39.31 #       <muesli-> we call it denglisch
22.39.36 #       <HCl> um.
22.39.36 #       <preglow> but does indeed look like i'll be moving to oslo
22.39.36 #       <t0mas> ghehe
22.39.43 #       * HCl stares at the current grayscale implementation.
22.40.04 #       <HCl> i don't think it should have the same api as the grayscale library.. simply because its a native framebuffer and simply can't do somethings a virtual framebuffer can...
22.40.22 #       <HCl> some things*
22.40.36 #       <rasher> COMPLY!
22.40.41 #       <rasher> er.. mcm
22.40.46 #       <rasher> wrong window
22.41.01 #       <muesli-> rockbox.zip 20-Apr-2005 22:40 494K
22.41.06 #       <muesli-> was that you hcl?
22.41.10 #       <HCl> hm?
22.41.14 #       <HCl> where/when?
22.41.21 #       <muesli-> right now
22.41.23 #       <HCl> on my ftp?
22.41.29 #       <muesli-> nope, on rbx
22.41.30 #       <HCl> eh? o.o;
22.41.31 #       <HCl> no.
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22.42.02 #       <amiconn> HCl: If you're going to work on greyscale for iiver, please consider http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=GraphicsAPI as well
22.42.35 #       <muesli-> i would really apreciate a software reset btw
22.42.44 #       <t0mas> ?
22.42.45 #       <preglow> like how?
22.42.47 #       <t0mas> resetting settings?
22.42.59 #       <t0mas> (that's already possible)
22.43.11 #       <muesli-> just press i.e 3 buttons to do a reboot
22.43.23 #       <rasher> not possible
22.43.24 #       <amiconn> It's my shot at a unification of the various graphics apis present so far, trying to combine the advantages and to avoid the disadvantages
22.43.25 #       <t0mas> can't press 3 buttons
22.43.26 #       * HCl reads
22.43.46 #       <rasher> plus, you can just rolo rockbox.iriver
22.43.52 #       <muesli-> just one after another?
22.43.56 #       <rasher> that's as close as you'll get to software reset anyway
22.44.09 #       <muesli-> rolo?
22.44.10 #       <t0mas> yeah, rolo rocks for testing :D
22.44.13 #       <t0mas> tnx LinusN again :D
22.44.27 #       <t0mas> muesli-: go to a .iriver file on the player
22.44.30 #       <t0mas> and "play" it
22.44.33 #       <muesli-> just a plugin that crashes? ;)
22.44.49 #       <t0mas> no, it reloads
22.44.58 #       <muesli-> crashes..that causes a crash..
22.44.59 #       <muesli-> ;)
22.45.00 #       <t0mas> you can have multiple .iriver files... and load them all
22.45.24 #       <HCl> amiconn: it would imply all grayscale things would be in 1byte/pixel format?
22.45.27 #       <HCl> bitmaps anyways
22.45.39 #       <amiconn> Ho, it doesn't
22.45.41 #       <muesli-> what is that .river files good for?
22.45.42 #       <amiconn> *No
22.45.51 #       <HCl> void xxx_gray_bitmap(unsigned char *data, int x, int y, int width, int height, int stride)     3)  3)  Draw a greyscale bitmap. This uses the canonical greyscale format, 1 byte/pixel 
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22.46.04 #       <HCl> so we wouldn't be able to use native format bitmaps
22.46.12 #       <HCl> or am i misunderstanding that..
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22.46.44 #       <HCl> or is the blit function gonna do that
22.46.45 #       <HCl> ?
22.47.18 #       <t0mas> muesli-: that .iriver file is the firmware loaded by the bootloader
22.47.29 #       <HCl> amiconn: what should the "xxx_" become?
22.47.32 #       <amiconn> HCl: xxx_bitmap() ..... "Draw a *native* bitmap
22.47.43 #       <HCl> ah. right.
22.47.44 #       <HCl> okay.
22.47.48 #       <HCl> looks good then
22.47.58 #       <HCl> what should the xxx_ be?
22.48.45 #       <t0mas> amiconn? I have that bmp thing working... and from plugins its easy to use the pluginbuffer... but when I do something in core... should I just declare a static image buffer? or are there other ways?
22.48.56 #       <amiconn> Well, I didn't think about that yet. Maybe it should just be lcd_ for the core implementation as it is now
22.49.15 #       <HCl> okay
22.49.21 #       <HCl> lcd_ are using the same functions..
22.49.25 #       <HCl> right?
22.50.06 #       <amiconn> t0mas: As I already said, my idea would be that the core module which actually uses the images does its own buffering (e.g. wps)
22.50.19 #       <t0mas> yeah, that's what I'm doing now
22.50.56 #       <amiconn> HCl: The idea is to unify the graphics apis, so some work is required for the b&w archos lcd_ implementation as well
22.50.56 #       <t0mas> but in wps I can just declare a simple unsigned char images[2560]... or do something intelligent.. problem: I don't know how to do it intelligent :P
22.51.20 #       <amiconn> There is no more intelligent way
22.52.13 #       <t0mas> :(
22.52.17 #       <t0mas> ok
22.52.30 #       <amiconn> HCl: Then I also have a number of ideas to optimise both speed and code footprint, which are not part of the api documentation
22.52.57 #       <amiconn> The basic idea is already present in the grayscale library
22.54.24 #       <HCl> mhm..
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22.54.44 #       * HCl sighs at other people talking to him on a different chat and distracting him
22.54.55 #       <HCl> amiconn: so pretty much, i'd have to alter both iriver and archos to use the new api?
22.55.05 #       <amiconn> For displays with <1 byte/pixel, or when one byte in the raster memory equals more than one pixel for some other reason (planar display or such), have 2 groups of very lowlevel functions
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22.55.31 #       <amiconn> One group is for manipulating single pixels, and the other for manipulating whole pixel blocks
22.55.40 #       <Biptoria> Anything new today my loverlys ?
22.55.41 #       <HCl> you lost me o.o
22.56.05 #       <amiconn> HCl: You wouldn't need to do the archos work of course
22.56.20 #       <Biptoria> A pixel is made up of 3 colours 
22.56.20 #       <rasher> Biptoria: Linus played first bits of mp3 on his iRiver today
22.56.23 #       <HCl> yea.. what about the <1 byte / pixels....
22.56.23 #       <t0mas> Biptoria: see mailinglist
22.56.29 #       <HCl> i didn't understand what you meant
22.56.41 #       <Biptoria> How well did it play?
22.56.49 #       <rasher> it didn't play well :)
22.57.03 #       <Biptoria> Get back to work then rasher 
22.57.09 #       <rasher> .x
22.57.44 #       <amiconn> HCl: I mean, for such displays like the archos (or iriver in b&w mode) one byte matches 8 pixels, and for iriver 4-grey it matches 4 pixels
22.57.49 #       <HCl> yes
22.57.51 #       <HCl> what about it..?
22.58.12 #       <amiconn> So if you manipulate whole blocks at once, this should definitely boost performance
22.58.33 #       <HCl> um. okay *still confused*
22.58.47 #       <HCl> i'll just try to implement that new api as lcd_* in lcd-h100.c, right?
22.59.13 #       <amiconn> lcd_bitmap() does what I mean in the b&w implementation
22.59.20 #       <Biptoria> Instead of having the CPU piss around with lots of blocks, it pisses round with larger less blocks ?
22.59.27 #       <stevenm> Hey guys, does anyone mind if I commit all the midi code, or is anyone else messing with that?
22.59.35 #       <HCl> i say go ahead
22.59.52 #       <amiconn> lcd_fillrect() simply re-uses lcd_bitmap(), which is way better than doing single pixels, but not yet optimal
22.59.54 #       <HCl> cvs is after all a concurrent versioning system.
23.00.07 #       <amiconn> The bad example is lcd_invertrect() ...
23.00.10 #       <HCl> amiconn: i'll leave the optimizing for later.
23.00.15 #       <HCl> i'll just try to implement
23.00.22 #       <stevenm> All right, here goes
23.00.41 #       <HCl> ofcourse
23.00.46 #       <Biptoria> Will i be able to play MP3 if i use the dailybuild ?
23.00.51 #       <HCl> that was if my cat doesn't claim my lap
23.00.53 #       <rasher> nope
23.00.55 #       <amiconn> HCl: Iiuc one reason for not yet incorporating markun's patch is its slowness
23.01.03 #       <Biptoria> Why not :| 
23.01.08 #       <ehntoo> LinusN hasn't committed any mp3 code to CVS yet.
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23.01.12 #       <rasher> Biptoria: because it's not in cvs yet
23.01.19 #       <Biptoria> The monkeh 
23.01.22 #       <HCl> amiconn: i don't see that as a reason. rockboy was slow at the start too.
23.01.25 #       <HCl> just like libmad
23.01.38 #       <Biptoria> Rockyboy still is slow isnt it /
23.01.38 #       <rasher> there's no point in committing it yet
23.01.39 #       <Biptoria> ?
23.01.39 #       <amiconn> Yes, but rockboy isn't core code
23.02.10 #       <amiconn> ...and libmad is simply needed to get anything useful out of the unit
23.02.23 #       <amiconn> Greyscale support is not really needed though
23.02.28 #       <HCl> i still think that it should just be put in with a comment that its slow and needs optimization o.o;;;
23.02.37 #       <amiconn> (although being nice of course)
23.02.38 #       <Biptoria> Whats the diff between Greyscale and B&W?
23.02.45 #       <ehntoo> a world of difference.
23.02.59 #       <Biptoria> Whats it using at the mo ?
23.03.07 #       <HCl> rockboy, jpeg viewer
23.03.09 #       <HCl> mandelbrot
23.03.11 #       <Tang_> sorry if i prompt your discussion
23.03.18 #       <HCl> plasma would use it too
23.03.38 #       <Biptoria> :| i meant the menu 
23.03.40 #       <HCl> but okay
23.03.45 #       <Tang_> just to give "request" from MR
23.03.51 #       <amiconn> HCl: The biggest performance killer is the b&w bitmap drawing in 4-grey mode.
23.03.55 #       <Tang_> about playlist
23.03.55 #       <HCl> i'll just keep petting my cat if people don't want grayscale in cvs..
23.04.01 #       <ehntoo> the menu is... 4 color b&w at the moment, if I remember
23.04.12 #       <HCl> amiconn: i don't see why that would be a performance killer
23.04.15 #       <amiconn> Iirc markun's patch does that pixel-wise, which is a really bad idea because b&w bitmap drawing also means text drawing...
23.04.18 #       <Biptoria> Poor cat
23.04.24 #       <Tang_> "in the futre do u think itd be possible for rbx to simply recognize wma's as audio so u could open up rbx put the wmas in a play list and save it, reboot and then use it on the normal firmware? sorry i no this prolly isnt a very desirable feature. but it seems like it wood be easy to do."
23.04.38 #       <HCl> Biptoria: i doubt he would've crawled on my lap for pets if he hated it
23.05.27 #       <Biptoria> Its probably hungry, or just wants to pee on you 
23.05.28 #       <Tang_> (request from eternalwolfman: http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showpost.php?p=197920&postcount=555 )
23.05.43 #       <ehntoo> being pee-ed on by pets isn't fun.
23.05.57 #       <HCl> naw, kittys are cute
23.06.40 #       <HCl> Tang_: should be easy
23.06.42 #       <Biptoria> Did you survive the gay ordeal the other night HCI
23.06.50 #       <Tang_> :)
23.07.02 #       <Tang_> i imagine indeed
23.07.03 #       <HCl> i tried to ignore anything i could possibly hear
23.07.06 #       <HCl> and close both of my doors
23.07.19 #       <HCl> fortunately, we have 20 cm thick soundproof walls.
23.07.24 #       <HCl> that are way too hard too.
23.07.35 #       <HCl> they're built so that if a fighter jet crashes into our flat
23.07.37 #       <Biptoria> but the excitment just got too much so you joined in 
23.07.39 #       <HCl> it'll only get 3 rooms far
23.07.40 #       <Tang_> i there  is two HCl?
23.07.46 #       <ehntoo> I'm kinda wishing I hadn't read that.
23.07.52 #       <Tang_> :|
23.07.52 #       <HCl> Biptoria: not really -.-
23.08.06 #       * HCl has a gay flatmate who's a jerk and sometimes has "visitors"
23.08.07 #       <HCl> >.<
23.08.14 #       <HCl> anyways.
23.08.16 #       <HCl> not important.
23.08.25 #       * HCl pets his cat and watches his anime
23.08.33 #       <Biptoria> :| 
23.08.39 #       <HCl> amiconn: i really don't see why slowness would be an argument against development
23.08.42 #       <HCl> its development after all
23.08.52 #       <Biptoria> Is your pet called anime ?
23.08.55 #       <stevenm> HCl, you have a what?
23.09.12 #       <HCl> stevenm: a gay person living in my flat, in the room next to me.
23.09.24 #       <stevenm> HCl, ah, I see.
23.09.45 #       <amiconn> HCl: I don't say that it shouldn't be developed, I only say it shouldn't be in cvs without at least some critical points being optimised
23.09.54 #       <HCl> why?
23.10.17 #       <ehntoo> hmm... HCl, was that jet fighter comment a reference to the Dirk Gently novels?  Just wondering.
23.10.24 #       <HCl> the who? O.o.
23.10.27 #       <HCl> no, i was serious.
23.10.30 #       <Biptoria> :| lol 
23.10.31 #       <HCl> we have an airforce base nearby
23.10.40 #       <HCl> we even have special soundproof glass
23.10.46 #       <Tang_> :)
23.10.48 #       <amiconn> Perhaps it's just me, but a current cvs build should always be in a usable state. Unfortunately rockbox cvs doesn't use branches
23.11.03 #       <rasher> HCl: You know hhgg but not Dirk Gently? :-O
23.11.08 #       <HCl> rasher: yes.
23.11.17 #       <Biptoria> So, theoretically you could kill your flatmate and no one would hear
23.11.24 #       <HCl> amiconn: i don't see any slowness or "not usable" on my iriver with grayscale O.o.
23.11.38 #       <HCl> i usually run a grayscale version so i can play rockboy with grayscale.
23.11.39 #       <rasher> HCl: *sniff* it's a DNA character from two other books he wrote
23.12.22 #       <Biptoria> is the sound sorted on Rock boy yet ?
23.12.33 #       <HCl> depends on what you call sorted.
23.12.35 #       <HCl> the sound driver works.
23.12.41 #       <HCl> rockboy is just not realtime yet.
23.12.52 #       <ehntoo> HCl:  DNA wrote Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency, and The Long Dark Teatime of the Soul.  The second one had something on a jet crashing through the main character's flat.
23.12.56 #       <Biptoria> Yeh its slow as hell on mine
23.13.03 #       <amiconn> HCl: Okay, maybe it's fast enough for the current state of rockbox on iriver. I can't check that myself, you know :(
23.13.12 #       <HCl> yea, i know..
23.13.25 #       <HCl> but yea, i think its fast enough, and we can always just optimize it asap
23.13.34 #       <HCl> but first
23.13.38 #       <HCl> i need to get my cat out of my lap
23.13.40 #       <HCl> without offending him
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23.14.02 #       <HCl> there.
23.14.21 #       <Biptoria> poor thing
23.14.32 #       <ehntoo> lol
23.15.05 #       <Biptoria> you should of got a dog, you can sell them for more 2nd hand
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23.15.25 #       <HCl> dogs drool, smell, and are too stupid to walk theirselves.
23.15.33 #       <ehntoo> well, not always.
23.15.34 #       <HCl> and they don't clean theirselves either
23.15.36 #       <Biptoria> Muesli my main cereal 
23.16.04 #       <HCl> amiconn: i should just create the lcd_* things of the new api for iriver, right?
23.16.08 #       <Tang_> good night all
23.16.11 #       <Tang_> cheers
23.16.16 #       <Biptoria> I know a dog that walks it self, it only has 3 legs
23.16.39 #       <rasher> cat's are annoyingly independent
23.16.51 #       <Biptoria> yeh, there gay 
23.16.52 #       <Tang_> i rather cats
23.16.55 #       <Tang_> :)
23.17.03 #       <Tang_> cause they are independants
23.17.08 #       <Tang_> and curious
23.17.12 #       <Tang_> unlike dogs
23.17.14 #       <Biptoria> Boring
23.17.18 #       <Tang_> :D
23.17.27 #       <amiconn> HCl: yes
23.17.38 #       <Biptoria> Akk they want is food then they piss off for the rest of the day 
23.17.40 #       <stevenm> our hs physics teacher hated cats with all his being
23.17.53 #       <stevenm> always colliding an elephant with a cat
23.18.01 #       <stevenm> cats, and his mother-in-law
23.18.14 #       <Biptoria> whats wrong with elephants 
23.18.19 #       <Tang_> i would want to know
23.18.30 #       <ehntoo> too big, you can't shove an elephant in a cupboard when you get mad at them.
23.18.35 #       <Tang_> if elephant always fall on their legs like cats
23.18.39 #       <stevenm> They have a lot of momentum when THROWN at a cat
23.19.03 #       <Tang_> unfortunately no zoo directors let me try
23.19.05 #       <Tang_> :D
23.19.16 #       <Tang_> (time to go to bed i guess)
23.19.16 #       <HCl> okay
23.19.25 #       <HCl> i'll get on it as soon as people stop talking to me x.x;
23.19.36 #       <Biptoria> Yeh im off aswell. love you HCI 
23.19.44 #       <HCl> *forces a smile*
23.19.45 #       * Biptoria waves 
23.19.48 #       <HCl> bye.
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23.20.19 #       <ehntoo> you can stop smiling now.
23.20.26 #       <stevenm> woot! no more midi2wav.c warnings
23.20.50 #       <rasher> that's the first time in a while that iriver warning count has gone down :)
23.20.55 #       <stevenm> eep.. there's one on normal target.. 
23.21.09 #       <stevenm> and I know why too. I changed a parameter
23.21.15 #       <stevenm> but still.. I killed like, 9
23.21.35 #       <ehntoo> I see that.  good work.
23.21.56 #       <stevenm> :) thanks
23.22.09 #       <stevenm> and I converted all the tab/space stuff and the comment style. that took a while
23.22.39 #       <HCl> we need an astyle line on the wiki that people can use..
23.22.50 #       <stevenm> fortunately mindlessly changing // to /* */ is only slightly less boring than listening to the guy praddle on about physics
23.25.10 #       <HCl> amiconn: what should the default mode be?
23.25.11 #       <amiconn> hmpf
23.25.32 #       <HCl> thats not a valid mode :p
23.25.32 #       <amiconn> sorry, wasn't directed to you
23.25.37 #       <amiconn> :)
23.25.40 #       <ehntoo> heh
23.26.11 #       <HCl> what should it be?
23.26.15 #       <HCl> solid?
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23.27.09 #       <ehntoo> *sigh*  I miss my gentoo setup... I've gotta get back at configuring it.
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23.28.19 #       <amiconn> blurf
23.28.26 #       <amiconn> HCl: default mode should either be FG or SOLID
23.29.18 #       <stevenm> anyways, for me it is food time. good bye all
23.29.22 #       <HCl> ok
23.29.37 #       <ehntoo> have a good period of nourishment ingestion.
23.29.41 Part    stevenm ("Connection reset by beer.")
23.30.32 #       <HCl> amiconn: i could use a description on the wiki to how the mode affects each function..
23.30.51 #       <HCl> _blit for example, does the mode get ignored there or what?
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23.32.17 #       <amiconn> Ah, hmm, I think I made that clear enough. The description of the function should tell you whether it uses the mode or not
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23.32.47 #       <amiconn> Basically, all drawing function use the mode, with the exception of the non-b&w bitmap functions
23.33.30 #       <amiconn> All other functions (scrolling, updating, specials) do not.
23.33.46 #       <HCl> okay
23.33.48 #       <HCl> didn't see that
23.33.48 #       <amiconn> lcd_clear_display() counts as a drawing function in respect to that
23.33.49 #       <HCl> sorry
23.33.55 #       <HCl> mhm
23.34.06 #       <HCl> okay.
23.34.58 #       <amiconn> Well, lcd_clear_display() is a 'half'-drawing-function, in that it should use the background colour, but not the mode
23.36.20 #       <amiconn> It is debatable whether the xxx_blit() function is part of the graphics api at all. In fact, it's a low-level access function for the lcd that circumvents the normal graphics api...
23.36.51 #       * amiconn realises he's talking too much and coding too little
23.38.02 #       <HCl>  :p
23.38.03 #       <amiconn> rasher: Your stats are really great :-/ I'm the second-most talker (word count wise), while being around for far less time than Linus :-O
23.38.04 #       * HCl works on stuff
23.39.32 #       <HCl> does anyone know how many intermediate grayscale settings the iriver lcd can have?
23.39.35 #       <HCl> 4?
23.39.41 #       <HCl> or 8?
23.40.31 #       <HCl> nm
23.41.17 #       <preglow> 4
23.41.27 #       <preglow> black, white and two user definable
23.41.38 #       <preglow> if that's what you meant :>
23.41.54 #       <preglow> or do you mean how many levels of gray you can have?
23.42.02 #       <HCl> well, i meant what you can set the user definable too
23.42.08 #       <HCl> but i found some code of markun for that already
23.42.10 #       <preglow> hmm
23.42.15 #       <preglow> the data sheet has that info
23.42.20 #       <preglow> aight
23.42.38 #       <HCl> amiconn: should i make dummy rgb functions for set_foreground etc
23.42.40 #       <HCl> or leave them out?
23.43.15 #       <amiconn> No rgb necessary for greyscale displays
23.43.20 #       <HCl> mhm
23.43.21 #       <HCl> k
23.43.44 #       <amiconn> foreground and background should just use a single value for them
23.44.23 #       <amiconn> (0..3 in case of iriver, with 0 == black and 3 == white, the 2 grey levels being equally spreaded)
23.45.13 #       <amiconn> Ah no, of course it should take 0..255
23.45.29 #       <amiconn> That's simple to convert anyway, just shift right by 6
23.47.12 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Are you there?
23.48.23 #       <HCl> if something in mode complement draws on something, it should invert the foreground pixel if there is one, right?
23.48.38 #       <amiconn> yup
23.49.36 #       <HCl> can you explain the FG/BG mode?
23.49.56 #       <HCl> BG will only draw on background pixels(empty) and FG only on foreground pixels (already drawn pixels) ?
23.50.17 #       <HCl> shouldn't it be draw background pixels with current foreground colour?
23.50.36 #       <preglow> ehh? i thought fg and bg scheme was only used in text mode-ish stuff
23.50.51 #       <amiconn> No, foreground and background isn't related to what is already on the display, but what your to-be-drawn primitive looks like
23.51.01 #       <preglow> right
23.51.03 #       <HCl> oh. right.
23.51.09 #       <amiconn> preglow: Text mode and 1-bit bitmaps
23.51.13 #       <HCl> so we only draw the fg that exists and the bg if exists
23.51.21 #       <HCl> soo.. what should drawpixel do in that mode?
23.51.23 #       <amiconn> Yes.
23.51.24 #       <HCl> just draw fg color?
23.51.32 #       * preglow gets an urge to code more on his ansi viewer
23.51.51 #       <amiconn> Look at the table under 'concepts'
23.51.56 #       <preglow> drawpixel shouldn't have a bg, if you ask me
23.52.27 #       <HCl> doh. i'm stupid.
23.52.29 #       <HCl> or i'm sleepy.
23.52.32 #       <HCl> one of the two.
23.52.34 #       <HCl> thanks.
23.54.11 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, all non-bitmap primitives consist of foreground pixels only. So the 4 modes actually become only 2 modes
23.55.41 #       <preglow> more tea for me
23.55.43 #       <amiconn> ...and the mode is global, as are the foreground and background values, but I think this less of a problem than having to pass all of these parameters to each primitive
23.55.45 #       <HCl> whats the bresenham algorithm?
23.55.59 #       <HCl> or shall i just implement drawing lines with setpixels?
23.56.09 #       <HCl> we can always optimize later
23.56.23 #       <preglow> when drawing a line, you can usually just use setpixel
23.56.29 #       <preglow> the offsets have to be recalculated anyway
23.56.36 #       <preglow> bresenham algo you can find tons of implementations of on the net
23.56.48 Quit    rasher ("CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2004/01/29)")
23.56.55 #       <amiconn> The free-directioned lines are drawn with single pixels anyway
23.57.23 #       <preglow> you can have a special case for hline and vline unless they are separate functions
23.57.27 #       <preglow> then you don't use putpixel
23.57.27 #       <amiconn> There already is a working implementation of that, using bresenham for calculating which pixels to set
23.57.55 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, I propose separate functions for hline and vline
23.58.08 #       <preglow> yes, good idea
23.58.19 Join    rasher [0] (~3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se)
23.58.32 #       <amiconn> I also do not propose to throw everything out and start from scratch. There's much code that is reusable
23.58.44 #       <HCl> yea, i'm noticing that.
23.58.50 #       <HCl> so far its been moving stuff and adding a switch for the drawmode