--- Log for 05.05.105  Server: brown.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
--- Nick: logbot  Version: Dancer V4.16  Started: 15 days and 15 hours ago

00.00.24 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so I need to hack the lib copilation, what a pity
00.00.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I hoped to get away just with changes in my makefile
00.01.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I should be able to pass compile options to the lib, right?
00.01.43 #       <Bagder> yes
00.01.49 #       <Bagder> use the EXTRA_DEFINES
00.01.53 Part    Domonoky
00.02.12 #       <Bagder> (which could be named EXTRA_CFLAGS)
00.03.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, I added to CFLAGS just below that
00.03.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> so it should be passed to the firmware make
00.03.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> CFLAGS = $(GCCOPTS) $(INCLUDES) $(TARGET) $(DEFINES)			\
00.03.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon>  -DAPPSVERSION=\"$(VERSION)\" $(EXTRA_DEFINES) -DMEM=${MEMORYSIZE}
00.03.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> CFLAGS += -ffunction-sections -fdata-sections
00.04.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with the last line being my new stuff
00.04.51 #       * [IDC]Dragon peeks into the firmware makefile
00.05.43 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, it starts with a new CFLAGS
00.06.07 #       <Bagder> yeps, but uses EXTRA_DEFINES in there...
00.06.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, I understand now
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00.09.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, same effect: sections for the non-lib code only
00.10.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> and those start at zero
00.10.26 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: My new bitfield handling now saves 160 bytes for the jukeboxes, and 216 bytes for Ondio
00.10.56 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it's a start
00.12.11 #       <amiconn> Did you change the .lds?
00.12.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> no
00.13.07 #       <amiconn> You need to
00.13.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> wildcard, I see
00.13.25 #       <amiconn> Then it's obvious why your sections end up at zero
00.13.28 #       <amiconn> yes
00.13.33 #       <amiconn> Like in my example
00.13.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we could generally do so
00.14.47 #       <Bagder> Rüdesheim far away from you guys? ;-)
00.14.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> first I need to find out why no effect to the lib code
00.15.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder: yes
00.15.16 #       <Bagder> we're going there in september
00.15.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> nice, for wine?
00.15.46 #       <Bagder> company conference stuff
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00.16.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I take that as a yes ;-)
00.16.11 #       <Bagder> hehe
00.17.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> tell me if you stopover in Hannover
00.17.19 #       <amiconn> ..or me if you do so in Berlin ;)
00.19.35 #       <t0mas> ah, and if anybody goes cheese hunting in Gouda ;) ;)
00.19.55 #       <t0mas> or Amsterdam... or Utrecht... or whatever dutch city... as all are close :P
00.20.10 #       * [IDC]Dragon walks to the fridge for cheese
00.20.28 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: And remember: it's Hanover in english :P
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00.21.09 #       <Bagder> time for sleeeeep
00.21.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what's KEEP(*(.entry))  good for?
00.21.37 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah, the root
00.21.52 #       <amiconn> yups
00.22.04 #       <amiconn> (for plugins)
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00.30.30 #       * [IDC]Dragon gives up
00.32.18 #       <amiconn> Bitfield code committed
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00.38.56 #       <amiconn> Bagder: wiki diff'ing doesn't alwayswork correctly
00.39.07 #       <amiconn> *always work
00.44.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: I think my bit code was more complex because it was working on byte units, too
00.44.18 #       <amiconn> ?
00.44.36 #       <[IDC]Dragon> preventing endian incompatibility
00.45.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it was fetching bytes instead of 32 bit
00.45.27 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but not in rockbox
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00.46.46 #       <amiconn> (1) It didn't do that as included in rockbox (2) It's not even necessary in rockbox
00.46.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mmc doesn not cross border, so no change for you there?
00.47.18 #       <amiconn> MMC does cross border, but it was the right way 'round from the start
00.47.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: yes, I was just explaining the legacy
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00.47.50 #       <amiconn> (otherwise it wouldn't work at all as it is used for a data structure defined by the MMC spec, not by us)
00.48.10 #       <amiconn> The settings will always be read by the same CPU with the same endianess which wrote them
00.48.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ok, I thought your code switched the order
00.48.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I understand
00.48.55 #       <amiconn> It switched the order for settings.c, which counted from bit 0
00.49.01 #       <amiconn> MMC counts from MSB
00.49.53 #       * t0mas is away: sleep(HZ * 28800);
00.50.16 #       <amiconn> t0mas: rather much ;)
00.50.26 #       <t0mas> 8 hours?
00.50.35 #       <t0mas> have to get up around 9 tomorrow :P
00.50.47 #       <amiconn> I know that it's 8 hours
00.51.10 #       <t0mas> ofcourse you do :)
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00.54.42 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hehe, what a rockbox way of saying goodnight
00.55.21 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Hmm, I notice that mmc_extract_bits is only correct for big endian (like before though)
00.55.51 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that's ok
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00.56.02 #       * [IDC]Dragon says goodnight, too
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00.56.09 #       <amiconn> nightey
00.56.33 #       <preglow> coffeecoffeecoffeecoffeecoffee
00.56.49 #       <amiconn> no beer? ;)
00.57.00 #       <preglow> unfortunately, no
00.57.09 #       * amiconn had a beer recently
00.57.17 #       <preglow> and beer usually doesn't do much to wake me up, heh
00.57.25 #       <amiconn> true
00.57.52 #       <preglow> woot, new binutils
00.58.06 #       <amiconn> t'was about time...
00.58.18 #       <preglow> aye, most certainly
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01.30.15 #       <HCl> sleeeep
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01.33.15 #       <cool2bdave> Hi I am trying to decompress my first rockbox source is tar xvf rockbox-daily-20050504.tar.tar wrong?
01.36.35 #       <Rick> .tar.tar?
01.37.33 #       <cool2bdave> that is what it downloaded as, I changed it to tar.gz but had no luck
01.37.49 #       <Rick> odd
01.39.04 #       <cool2bdave> It does not seem to be recognised as a tar archive
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01.39.57 #       <cool2bdave> I have an old copy of cygwin and just installed blue chips dev kit, but no luck
01.41.58 #       <rasher_> could be your browser de-gzipped it
01.42.05 #       <rasher_> try renaming to .tar
01.43.34 #       <cool2bdave> no it still does not look likea valid archive
01.45.18 #       <cool2bdave> I am new to Cygwin could I be doing something wrong
01.53.06 #       <amiconn> Try renaming it as .tar.gz and the tar xvfz rockbox-daily-20050504.tar.gz
01.55.20 #       <amiconn> *then
01.55.35 #       <cool2bdave> bingo
01.55.43 #       <cool2bdave> it is working
01.56.16 #       <amiconn> What browser did you use for downloading? My guess is that you used IE
01.56.46 #       <cool2bdave> yep
01.57.39 #       <amiconn> IE sometimes changes file extensions to what it 'thinks' is the correct one
01.58.38 #       <cool2bdave> thanks so much
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02.27.07 #       <XShocK> hi all
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05.55.05 #       <rasher_> duhig?
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10.21.18 #       <t0mas> morning
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10.22.36 #       <t0mas> hm... little empty here... 35 users... 
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10.30.20 #       <amiconn> morning
10.30.58 #       * t0mas is really stupid sometimes...
10.31.11 #       <t0mas> set my alarm clock to 8:30 yesterday evening...
10.31.33 #       <t0mas> this morning the thing started beeping... and I realised it's 05-05-05
10.31.36 #       <t0mas> wich is a day off here :X
10.32.53 #       <amiconn> Same here
10.32.56 #       <rasher_> and here
10.33.26 #       <t0mas> germany and? norway?
10.33.38 #       * rasher_ draws purdy diagrams of finite automata
10.33.40 #       <rasher_> denmark
10.34.00 #       <t0mas> ok
10.35.38 #       <t0mas> errr... anybody read about that google prpxy?
10.35.42 #       <t0mas> *proxy
10.35.49 #       <odd> ???
10.35.54 #       <t0mas> sounds like a new privacy breach again...
10.37.17 #       <odd> oh you mean about them locally redirecting outgoing links to search results?
10.37.26 #       <odd> i noticed that last week when they first started on my own
10.37.28 #       <t0mas> no
10.37.28 #       <ashridah> rasher_: played with JFLAP?
10.37.36 #       <odd> then what do you mean?
10.37.42 #       <t0mas> a realy proxy server...
10.37.46 #       <t0mas> it's new
10.37.54 #       <odd> link?
10.37.56 #       <t0mas> labs.google.com
10.38.08 #       <t0mas> and if you can read dutch: http://www.srozekrans.nl/nieuwskracht/technologie/bezorgdheid-over-google-proxy/
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10.38.35 #       <t0mas> web accelerator 
10.38.42 #       <t0mas> is what they called it
10.39.00 #       <odd> ah
10.39.01 #       <rasher_> Well it is
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10.39.19 #       <rasher> There has to be some gain for the user
10.39.32 #       <rasher> whether or not it's "worth it".. well.. I'll leave that to the user.
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10.39.40 #       <t0mas> 5% speed up
10.39.41 #       <t0mas> sometimes :P
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10.40.04 #       <t0mas> and they keep track of all visited websites + cookies etc.. for you... ofcourse :P
10.43.28 #       <t0mas> oh LOL
10.43.46 #       <t0mas> don't use it to login to phpbb forums... as other users will be logged in with the same account
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10.50.45 #       <rasher> seriously?
10.52.30 #       <t0mas> yes
10.52.38 #       <t0mas> read the google groups things about it
10.54.10 #       <odd> while you're at it go grab a Googlesnack and wipe your ass with some Google Toilet Paper
10.54.32 #       <odd> (tm)
10.54.59 #       * t0mas doesn't like google..
10.55.17 #       <odd> to be honest, i have a lot more respect for them than most corporations
10.55.22 #       <t0mas> and specially Gmail... scanning my email for ad-words? no thanks...
10.55.40 #       <odd> all it does is tailor the links along the righthand side
10.55.43 #       <odd> and it's all automated
10.55.53 #       <t0mas> and you think they don't record anything?
10.56.00 #       <odd> i had the same reaction to it at first, until i did the research
10.56.10 #       <odd> part of their privacy policy is that it will never be seen by a human
10.56.24 #       <t0mas> isn't needed
10.56.30 #       <odd> gmail is by far the best free web-based email available
10.56.40 #       <odd> not just for the space
10.56.43 #       <t0mas> they keep track of a "profile" of you...  
10.56.46 #       <odd> but it's really brilliantly designed
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10.56.52 #       <odd> t0mas: that's your Google Profile
10.56.58 #       <odd> it's the same as any website that uses a global login
10.57.08 #       <t0mas> lol
10.57.30 #       <t0mas> they log things about web usage in that proxy thing... and they keep track of what "kind" of email you use
10.57.32 #       <t0mas> things like that
10.57.44 #       <odd> i'm sure they do, it's valuable data
10.57.55 #       <t0mas> in the end they have a very valuable profile... not containing anything from your email... so not illegal
10.58.07 #       <odd> the former for marketing/demographic purposes, the latter for their own studies about a market they're in with gmail
10.58.31 #       <t0mas> yes, but I don't like the marketing part
10.58.32 #       <odd> i don't like it, but i wouldn't call it a "privacy threat"
10.58.56 #       <t0mas> well... I don't like it either... but still I have gmail ;)
10.59.03 #       <odd> heh
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10.59.14 #       <t0mas> gmailFS was just to much fun not to try it :P
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11.00.52 #       <t0mas> wb amiconn 
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11.01.37 #       <amiconn> tnx
11.01.54 #       <amiconn> The usual once-per-day disconnect by the provider...
11.03.13 #       <Rick> hehe
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11.04.52 #       <t0mas> amiconn: is that a policy???
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11.05.14 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> Heya
11.05.25 #       <t0mas> hi
11.05.25 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> Whats news?
11.05.29 #       <t0mas> long time ago?
11.05.38 #       <t0mas> subscribe to cvs mailing ;)
11.05.50 #       <amiconn> t0mas: Yes; to prevent having the same ip for too long
11.06.04 #       <t0mas> weird... I have a fixed IP
11.06.07 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> lol, get TOO much info then
11.06.17 #       <t0mas> and I wouldn't like to get disconnected every day...
11.06.32 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> HOw has PCM/wav playback been going?
11.07.09 #       <t0mas> oh ow...
11.07.45 #       <amiconn> t0mas: I don't know of any isp offering fixed ip accounts for private use in germany
11.07.56 #       <t0mas> Breaking news: Explosion on british embassy in New York
11.08.03 #       <t0mas> amiconn: that sucks...
11.08.06 #       <amiconn> (Fixed, _non-private_ ip, that is)
11.08.09 #       <odd> wtf?
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11.08.13 #       <odd> i live in new york
11.08.24 #       <t0mas> just heard it
11.08.30 #       <t0mas> it's election day for the brittish
11.09.02 #       <odd> i know
11.09.09 #       <odd> doesn't seem ot be in any news outlet that i can find
11.09.11 #       <odd> what's your source?
11.09.33 #       <t0mas> dutch news site
11.09.36 #       <odd> hmm
11.09.37 #       <amiconn> t0mas: internat via cable networks is usually worse here. You get NATted by the isp...
11.10.04 #       <amiconn> Having a non-fiex, but official ip isn't too bad. That's what dyndns is for...
11.10.28 #       * amiconn seems to have spelling problems
11.10.38 #       <odd> wow amiconn that's terrible
11.10.57 #       <odd> how can they get away with charging people for NATed connections?
11.11.42 #       <t0mas> http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4516119.stm
11.11.56 #       <t0mas> there's your confimation lilo :P
11.12.12 #       <odd> holy crap ;x
11.12.30 #       <amiconn> odd: They're usually cheaper than DSL
11.12.59 #       <t0mas> still... I can't live with a chaning IP
11.13.12 #       <t0mas> how do you host you email? and things like that?
11.13.22 #       <odd> you don't =\
11.13.33 #       <amiconn> I don't host email myself, but at the isp
11.13.44 #       <t0mas> hm... my isp sucks in that kind of things afaik
11.14.42 #       <t0mas> and I don't think they would host an IRC server for me :)
11.15.27 #       <amiconn> I don't host anything myself, as I see no reason to do so, except my little web server for quickly offering something to download
11.16.28 #       <amiconn> I still need an official ip for remoting my machine from the outside
11.18.55 #       <t0mas> hm... yeah, I've all sorts of connections open 24/7
11.19.35 #       <t0mas> IRC server linked to ActiveNet... three VPN connections for secure info from the office... and two friends
11.19.45 #       <t0mas> and mailserver for my domain
11.20.27 #       <odd> geek ;p
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11.20.58 #       <amiconn> Why do you need an own IRC server?
11.21.16 #       <t0mas> because we run an IRC network for the pc magazine I work for
11.21.29 #       <amiconn> ah ok
11.21.31 #       <t0mas> and it's not really smart to have everything at the office
11.21.43 #       <t0mas> so Niels (co-admin) and I both have a backup server...
11.25.42 #       <rasher> I'm still using the email of my very first internet account.. lord knows why it's still active
11.27.23 #       <odd> my mom still uses the email from our first real ISP
11.27.53 #       <odd> originally pipeline, bought by sprynet, bought by mindspring, bought by earthlink, bought by AOL
11.27.56 #       <odd> heh
11.28.04 #       <odd> movin up the chain, still the same address
11.28.14 #       <odd> over 10 years old now
11.28.35 #       <t0mas> yeah, I use my own domain because it's easier to switch isp's this way...
11.28.59 #       <odd> definitely
11.29.07 #       <odd> but some people are already lcoked into an ISP-email :(
11.30.51 #       <t0mas> sssst ;) I still retrieve 3 ISP mailboxes with fetchmail 
11.32.04 #       <odd> you still need to pay for those mailboxes though
11.33.13 #       <t0mas> no..
11.33.29 #       <t0mas> 1 is form the ISP I have now... for getting their news stuff
11.33.40 #       <HCl> yawn..
11.33.42 #       <t0mas> and the other is a free ISP I used long ago
11.33.51 #       <HCl> i pay 10 euro for my 100mbit connection
11.33.58 #       * HCl goes back to sleep
11.34.29 #       * t0mas still wants that too :P
11.34.37 #       <odd> omg how do you do that HCl!?
11.34.43 #       <t0mas> university
11.34.46 #       <odd> ah ;p
11.34.55 #       <odd> that's cheating
11.34.55 #       <odd> heh
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11.35.18 #       <t0mas> yeah... I pay 3x that... for 1600 kbit
11.35.58 #       <odd> i pay $40USD for 3mbit/384kbit cable in NYC
11.36.12 #       * odd wants more upstream :(
11.36.45 #       <t0mas> weird upstream...
11.36.52 #       <t0mas> I have 512... and that's slow here
11.37.02 #       <odd> upstream is hard to come by in the US
11.37.08 #       <preglow> i pay something around 15 euro for 100mbit/100mbit
11.37.13 #       <preglow> i think it's an ok deal
11.37.17 #       <t0mas> yes it is :P
11.37.20 #       <odd> though there's a plan here for 7mbit/800kbit for a little more $
11.37.24 #       <odd> which i'm considering
11.37.26 #       * t0mas moves to Delft next year...
11.37.26 #       <odd> >:D
11.37.34 #       <t0mas> 100/100 included in the rent :P
11.37.51 #       <odd> that's NATed though
11.37.55 #       <odd> i'm assuming
11.37.56 #       <t0mas> blegh...
11.38.15 #       <t0mas> versatel is a new ISP here... the first with adsl2
11.38.50 #       <t0mas> but you're not allowed to do anything with it...
11.38.58 #       <t0mas> 20 mbit down, but a datalimit on 10 GB
11.39.05 #       <odd> wtf?
11.39.07 #       <odd> that's weak :(
11.39.09 #       <t0mas> yes, useless
11.39.10 #       <odd> what's the up?
11.39.12 #       <t0mas> 1 mbit
11.39.16 #       <odd> not bad at all
11.39.19 #       <odd> is there a limit on that
11.39.20 #       <odd> ?
11.39.21 #       <t0mas> bot sure if there's a limit
11.39.24 #       <t0mas> b=n
11.39.33 #       <odd> well unlimited 1mbit up is rpetty nice :)
11.39.35 #       <t0mas> I think it counts for the 10 GB limit
11.39.43 #       <odd> oh wow
11.39.48 #       <odd> that's profoundly wack
11.40.18 #       <t0mas> yeah... if they had it unlimited... or 100 - 200 GB I would have taken it
11.40.23 #       <HCl> my 100 mbit isn't nat-ed...
11.40.30 #       <HCl> i have a 15gb limit
11.40.31 #       <HCl> per week
11.40.35 #       <HCl> for my uploads
11.40.40 #       <t0mas> that's better than 10 gb / month ;)
11.40.50 #       <t0mas> and the 15 gb is out of campus right?
11.40.50 #       <HCl> mmm
11.40.55 #       <HCl> yea
11.41.02 #       * odd stabs HCl 
11.41.03 #       <HCl> unlimited down 
11.41.03 #       <t0mas> then just DCC from other students :P
11.41.04 #       <amiconn> Cheapos :/
11.41.05 #       <odd> gimme :(
11.41.13 #       <HCl> unlimited upload to rest of campus
11.41.32 #       <t0mas> the only reasong to go live in Delft and not stay home is the internet connection... and my sister :P
11.41.40 #       <odd> hehe
11.41.41 #       <HCl> bad
11.41.42 #       <t0mas> *reason
11.41.51 #       * HCl yawns
11.42.23 #       * HCl goes to wake up
11.45.23 #       <rasher> (to jump back a bit) Well, I'm using my own domain as forward to my old mail account. So no (real) mail goes directly to the old address, so once the account vanishes, I'll cope
11.45.59 #       <t0mas> that's a way to do it too..
11.46.01 #       <amiconn> I pay 17 EUR for the 1024/128 connection, and another 30 EUR for the account (flatrate)
11.46.08 #       <t0mas> but then I need a hosting account...
11.46.53 #       <rasher> old friend/boss of mine is handling my domain, so that's no problem
11.47.11 #       <t0mas> yeah, I'm using the company dns servers...
11.47.26 #       <t0mas> because you are forced to have 2 DNS servers per domain for .nl
11.47.41 #       <rasher> yeah, same in .dk
11.48.33 #       <ashridah> wait. 'forced'? because it's mainly a good idea, not 'forced'.
11.48.46 #       <ashridah> it's not a technical requirement of dns, so i assume it's policy
11.48.54 #       <amiconn> yup
11.49.04 #       <amiconn> I think so too
11.49.17 #       <amiconn> (and I agree that it is a good idea)
11.49.47 #       <t0mas> It's ofcourse a good idea
11.50.05 #       <t0mas> but you are forced to have two working DNS servers before you can register a .nl domain...
11.50.28 #       <ashridah> yeah, most registrars will maintain that policy
11.50.33 #       <t0mas> and once in a while they query your servers to check if everything's working
11.52.44 #       <amiconn> Well, you're most likely not forced to have 2 _own_ DNS server. Simply let the ISP handle it
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11.52.59 #       <Quelsaruk> hi
11.53.03 #       <amiconn> hola
11.53.07 #       <t0mas> hi
11.53.07 #       <Quelsaruk> great
11.53.12 #       <Quelsaruk> i wanted to talk to you amiconn
11.53.12 #       <Quelsaruk> :D
11.53.28 #       <t0mas> amiconn: my isp wants money for being a useless secondairy DNS...
11.53.44 #       <amiconn> Huh? Strange....
11.54.02 #       <odd> just use freedns
11.54.16 #       <Quelsaruk> could you check and add to cvs islandic language? i haven't got right now cygwin, so i can't do it :( i'll try to download and install tonight.
11.54.34 #       * t0mas can do it... if you tell me where to download it
11.54.39 #       <t0mas> and who to credit
11.54.51 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: Saw the mail, think I could do that
11.54.58 #       <Quelsaruk> thanks amiconn
11.54.59 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
11.55.10 #       <amiconn> t0mas: There's a mail on the ml...
11.55.11 #       * Quelsaruk opens a beer and gives to amiconn
11.55.31 #       <t0mas> amiconn: ok, you do it? or shall I do it?
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11.56.00 #       <amiconn> It needs a quick check for obvious problems (over-long strings)
11.56.54 #       <Quelsaruk> that reminds me... we had a discussion about languages long time ago
11.56.58 #       <Quelsaruk> didn't we?
11.57.03 #       <Quelsaruk> :D
11.57.15 #       <Quelsaruk> i have to buy a new neuron for my brain
11.57.31 #       * t0mas has some spare ones, shall I email them? ;)
11.57.52 #       <amiconn> I'm still thinking about a way to localise plugins
11.58.34 #       <amiconn> ...both without needing a heapload of additional language files, and without tieing plugins to the main language files
11.58.58 #       <amiconn> Still I don't have an elegant solution
11.59.25 #       * HCl wants mp3 playback :/
11.59.37 #       * amiconn already has that :P
11.59.53 #       <HCl> on iriver :P
12.00.00 #       * t0mas has it on iriver too
12.00.06 #       * amiconn still has no iriver :/
12.00.12 #       <HCl> with rockbox >.>
12.00.14 #       <t0mas> just turn it off... hold REC and turn it on again :P
12.01.18 #       <HCl> anyways.
12.01.24 #       <HCl> i need it to implement my runtimedb :/
12.01.44 #       <HCl> and once thats finished i'd probably be more motivated to write the frontend for databox
12.06.51 #       <Quelsaruk> i still have my old Archos Recorder 20
12.07.14 #       <Quelsaruk> amiconn: i have no idea on how to do that, sorry
12.24.59 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: The new icelandic translation isn't quite up-to-date
12.25.01 #       <amiconn> :(
12.25.08 #       <Quelsaruk> :(
12.25.10 #       <Quelsaruk> oh
12.25.29 #       <Quelsaruk> so we (you) have to send a mail to the list saying so
12.25.41 #       <amiconn> I ran uplang on it. The file grew from 42 KB to 77 KB
12.25.53 #       <Quelsaruk> ooohhh
12.25.58 #       <Quelsaruk> hmm
12.26.04 #       <Quelsaruk> maybe voices?
12.26.07 #       <amiconn> There are also some really old strings in it
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12.26.19 #       <Quelsaruk> :/
12.26.23 #       <amiconn> (Not only deprecated ones, but those that are completely gone)
12.26.42 #       <amiconn> ...from the time of monolithic rockbox
12.26.53 #       <amiconn> without plugin system
12.27.33 #       <Quelsaruk> Antediluvian rockbox, i would say
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12.28.57 #       <amiconn> $ grep -c "### Not previously translated" islenska_new.lang
12.28.57 #       <amiconn> 170
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12.30.02 #       <Quel|off> crash
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12.30.13 #       <amiconn> Got my latest remark?
12.30.18 #       <Quelsaruk> 170ªª
12.30.36 #       <Quelsaruk> that are too many strings without translation
12.31.45 #       <amiconn> yup
12.32.23 #       <amiconn> I think I should post to the tracker, appending the uplang'ed file as well
12.32.57 #       <Quelsaruk> yes, taht's a good idea
12.32.59 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
12.33.13 #       <Quelsaruk> as you can see, i still have my wifi problems
12.33.23 #       <amiconn> I can remove the deprecated strings myself beforehand
12.33.35 #       <amiconn> Remove the translations, I mean
12.34.23 #       <Quelsaruk> if you have spare time :D
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12.45.45 #       <amiconn> Bah, uplang should (and could) handle deprecation automatically :/
12.46.17 #       <Quelsaruk> hmmm
12.46.22 #       <Bagder> only by changing the language file number
12.46.27 #       <Bagder> which it doesn't
12.46.29 #       <amiconn> ?
12.46.36 #       <Bagder> it can't remove strings
12.46.46 #       <amiconn> It shouldn't remove them
12.46.59 #       <Bagder> so what is "handle deprecation" ?
12.47.00 #       <Quelsaruk> what amiconn say is to remove the translated string
12.47.08 #       <Quelsaruk> not the deprecated ID
12.47.14 #       <Bagder> if the english is blank, you mean?
12.47.15 #       <amiconn> It should merely remove the new: string when it detects description == "DEPRECATED"
12.47.22 #       <Quelsaruk> if i understood correctly
12.47.30 #       <Bagder> ok
12.47.42 #       <amiconn> It already detects changed descriptions, so this should be simple
12.47.43 #       <Quelsaruk> afternoon Bagder
12.47.43 #       <Quelsaruk> :)
12.47.53 #       <Bagder> howdy ho!
12.48.22 #       <Bagder> amiconn: I'd say detecting a "" is better that depending on a specific description
12.48.41 #       <amiconn> Yes, that's better
12.49.02 #       <amiconn> I'm currently going through the updated icelandic translation
12.49.17 #       <amiconn> It needs a lot more updating :(
12.50.21 #       <Quelsaruk> are you going to add the updated file to the tracker?
12.50.26 #       <amiconn> yup
12.50.38 #       <Bagder> well, most translations need more translations !
12.50.57 #       <Bagder> rasher's stat script showed that pretty clearly
12.50.59 #       <amiconn> I can only do the part which doesn't require knowledge of Icelandic
12.51.29 #       <amiconn> Bagder: I'm talking about the updated translation announced on the ml
12.51.43 #       <Bagder> I understand
12.51.59 #       <amiconn> Did you see the grep result?
12.52.06 #       <Quelsaruk> i think spanish need some up-to-date again...
12.52.12 #       <Quelsaruk> :S
12.52.26 #       <amiconn> Quelsaruk: Most likely the triggered recording stuff, yes
12.53.00 #       <Quelsaruk> ok, then i will install cygwin again tonight
12.53.05 #       <Quelsaruk> and i will update it
12.53.15 #       <Quelsaruk> ... next week. :D i promise
12.53.22 #       <amiconn> You don't need cygwin just to update the language
12.53.34 #       <Quelsaruk> i know
12.53.35 #       <Quelsaruk> but
12.53.41 #       <Quelsaruk> :D
12.54.50 #       <Quelsaruk> i formated the hd, so i have to install a lot of things
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12.59.46 #       <MoosCamaro> Hi guys
13.00.17 #       <Quelsaruk> hi MoosCamaro
13.07.04 #       <amiconn> islenska_new.lang checked. Down to 66 KB and 110 untranslated strings
13.07.40 #       <amiconn> Hmmz
13.08.02 #       <amiconn> I should have checked earlier, but the islenska.lang in the tracker is identical to cvs :(
13.09.41 #       <Bagder> !
13.09.50 #       <Bagder> perhaps he attached the wrong file
13.09.58 #       <amiconn> mrf
13.11.35 #       <amiconn> ...and it's also identical to the attachment in the ml :((
13.13.00 #       <Quelsaruk> hehehe
13.13.12 #       <Quelsaruk> maybe Bagder is right
13.13.12 #       <Quelsaruk> :D
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13.41.43 #       <t0mas> hm...
13.41.57 #       <t0mas> is it "imported in" or "imported to" or "imported into" ?
13.42.02 #       <t0mas> the last one right?
13.43.56 #       <ashridah> depends on the context. 
13.44.30 #       <ashridah> imported into sounds best, as in 'imported in to the country'
13.47.39 #       <t0mas> yes
13.47.50 #       <t0mas> I imported bla into blabla.c
13.49.38 #       <Quelsaruk> i imported into blabla.c sounds ok for me... but i'm spanish :D
13.51.57 #       <HCl> imported in, exported to, imported into
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14.12.31 #       <t0mas> tnx HCl 
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18.48.26 #       <t0mas> hm... missed a lot in the past 4,5 hours...
18.49.42 #       <preglow> yes, things are moving fast today
18.50.11 #       <t0mas> ah, someone alive! :)
18.50.43 #       <t0mas> do you know something about automake/autoconf or manually setting up configure scripts preglow?
18.52.23 #       <Bagder> http://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/manual/autoconf-2.57/html_mono/autoconf.html.gz
18.52.25 #       <Bagder> :-)
18.52.45 #       <t0mas> yeah, read that
18.53.00 #       <t0mas> oh... wait... I read the automake docs
18.53.37 #       <Bagder> autoconf is for the configure script
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18.55.31 #       <t0mas> Bagder: is rockbox using autoconf/automake ?
18.55.35 #       <Bagder> no
18.55.53 #       <Bagder> there's no point for Rockbox to use those
18.55.56 #       <t0mas> makefile's are all made by hand?
18.56.01 #       <Bagder> yes
18.56.10 #       <t0mas> pffffffew...
18.56.20 #       <t0mas> you wrote them? or everybody did a piece?
18.56.45 #       <Bagder> there have been lots of editing by various people
18.57.02 #       <Bagder> but I've done a fair share
18.58.07 #       <Bagder> I'm off again
18.58.44 #       <t0mas> ok
18.58.51 #       * t0mas is away again too... eating :)
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19.00.24 #       <wafro> anyone seen bluEchiP?
19.00.47 #       <wafro> or anyone else know about MIPS-X?
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19.11.28 #       <HCl> mips x?
19.13.14 #       <wafro> developed at stanford a long time ago
19.13.32 #       <wafro> it's used in some ESS chips
19.13.51 #       <wafro> no support in GNU toolchains for it
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19.17.36 #       <wafro> it's being used in the Linksys PAP2 voip adapter, which is locked to Vonage
19.20.42 #       <preglow> t0mas: i know nothing about that, no
19.20.52 #       <preglow> can't really claim i've have use for it
19.35.33 #       <t0mas> ok
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21.57.15 #       <Tang_> test
21.58.11 #       <t0mas> test?
21.58.19 #       <Tang_> Hi t0mas
21.58.24 #       <t0mas> hi
21.58.41 #       <Tang_> i was testing if it worked since i experimented a connection failure
21.58.44 #       <Tang_> previously
21.59.29 #       <Tang_> :)
22.00.08 #       <Tang_> the place seems quiet
22.00.35 #       <HCl>  :P
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22.18.04 #       <preglow> w00t
22.23.25 #       <t0mas> interesting news?
22.23.33 #       <preglow> none from my part of town
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22.30.07 #       <HCl> mmm
22.30.10 #       <HCl> bleach is cool :3
22.33.28 #       <MoosCamaro> hi guys
22.33.39 #       <t0mas> hi
22.34.17 #       <preglow> semi related, though, the eq i plan to put in rockbox seems to be working fine
22.34.36 #       <MoosCamaro> waoooooo
22.34.44 #       <MoosCamaro> hi preglow
22.34.58 #       <HCl> preglow: nice
22.35.06 #       <HCl> where is linus anyways?
22.35.12 #       <HCl> still cruising in his volvo?
22.35.15 #       <preglow> nah
22.35.20 #       <preglow> holiday today, methinks
22.35.20 #       <HCl> you would say he's run out of gas by now
22.35.21 #       <HCl> o.o
22.35.27 #       <HCl> ah.
22.35.32 #       <preglow> he was on yesterday
22.45.38 #       <Bagder> we have a "long weekend" in sweden atm
22.46.01 #       <Bagder> national holiday today
22.46.01 #       <MoosCamaro> th bridge
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22.48.04 #       <MoosCamaro> in france too
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22.52.34 #       <preglow> holiday here as well
22.52.38 #       <preglow> but no long weekend, i think
22.54.05 #       <Bagder> well, many people take tomorrow off just because today is holiday
22.56.46 #       <preglow> sounds like a good plan
23.01.14 #       <HCl> same here.
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23.02.20 #       <HCl> its him!
23.02.26 #       <HCl> how goes lin
23.02.27 #       <Bagder> mr 320!
23.02.30 #       <Bagder> ;-)
23.02.39 #       <LinusN> the man, the myth, the legend...the volvo cruiser
23.02.45 #       <Bagder> hahaha
23.02.49 #       <t0mas> LOL
23.02.49 #       <LinusN> the H320 owner
23.02.49 #       <HCl>  XD
23.02.53 #       <preglow> gotten a feel for the car yet?
23.02.54 #       <preglow> heh
23.02.55 #       <HCl> you have an h320?
23.03.01 #       <LinusN> got it yesterday
23.03.11 #       * Bagder tried it
23.03.17 #       <preglow> so, is it nice?
23.03.32 #       <LinusN> man, the user interface sucks even more than the H120
23.03.37 #       <preglow> yes, i kind of figured
23.03.37 #       <HCl> lol.
23.03.38 #       <Bagder> its... colorful! ;-)
23.04.13 #       <Bagder> it seems to shut off the lcd when the backlight goes off
23.04.15 #       <preglow> the user interface gives the impression that it handles as nicely as a turd
23.04.19 #       <LinusN> the car is nice btw
23.04.25 #       <preglow> no surprises
23.04.46 #       <preglow> Bagder: colour lcds aren't very good without a backlight, no
23.04.57 #       <preglow> the term 'unusable' springs to mind
23.05.01 #       <LinusN> had to buy an fm transmitter to play my mp3 music in the car
23.05.02 #       <Bagder> I know
23.05.08 #       <Bagder> but this seems to shut off
23.05.11 #       <Bagder> really
23.05.12 #       <preglow> LinusN: so no melbus specs?
23.05.16 #       <Bagder> it shows _nothing_
23.05.17 #       <LinusN> preglow: nope
23.05.32 #       <amiconn> preglow: I thought the same until some weeks ago... until I saw the blackberry 72x0
23.05.33 #       <Bagder> I guess its a setting 
23.05.53 #       <LinusN> someday i'll hook up a logic analyzer and reverse engineer the protocol
23.05.59 #       <preglow> Bagder: sounds kind of shitty, not much power to be saved by switching off an lcd display, unless my memory fails me completely
23.06.03 #       <amiconn> Now I know: there _are_ colour lcds that are usable without a backlight... and not glaring like hell
23.06.29 #       <amiconn> I just wonder why the other type is still used in many devices...
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23.06.35 #       <LinusN> cost?
23.08.10 #       <preglow> probably
23.08.34 #       <preglow> the one on my phone sure as hell leaves something to be desired
23.09.27 #       <HCl>   (0:31) When a furre says {come Pikari},
23.09.27 #       <HCl>   (1:10) and the triggering furre is the dream owner,
23.09.27 #       <HCl>    (1:13) and the triggering furre is facing northeast (up and right),
23.09.27 #       <HCl>   (5:350) set variable %target to the X,Y position the triggering furre (moved from/is standing at).
23.09.30 #       <HCl>   (5:352) move the position in variable %target northeast (up and right) # step(s).
23.09.33 #       <HCl>   (3:2) at position (%pikastalk) on the map,
23.09.36 #       <HCl>   (5:17) move any furre present to (%target), or to someplace nearby if it's occupied.
23.09.59 #       <preglow> yes, indeed
23.10.45 #       <HCl> goddammit.
23.10.47 #       <HCl> sorry.
23.10.51 #       <HCl> stupid putty.
23.10.55 #       <HCl> *glares*
23.11.25 #       <HCl> LinusN: any progress on mp3?
23.11.28 #       <HCl> playback
23.11.29 #       <HCl> that is.
23.11.45 #       <t0mas> LinusN: does Volvo have some cd changer / other hookup thing to the sound system?
23.11.59 #       <HCl> my dad's has a cd player..
23.12.22 #       <LinusN> t0mas: yes
23.12.34 #       * amiconn likes his car stereo. It's equipped with 2 line inputs...
23.12.44 #       <preglow> line input is indeed goodness
23.12.46 #       * HCl bought a fake tape for his tape playing car radio...
23.12.50 #       <t0mas> LinusN: already hacked it? ;)
23.12.53 #       <HCl> which pretty much is the same as line input..
23.13.06 #       <amiconn> HCl: Had that before. Sounds like crap compared o line in
23.13.14 #       <HCl> i don't have a linein :P
23.13.15 #       <HCl> plus
23.13.17 #       * Bagder has that lame cassette thing as well
23.13.21 #       <HCl> its not like my speakers are great.
23.13.29 #       <HCl> so i'm happy, really :p
23.13.31 #       <LinusN> t0mas: that is the MELBUS protocol we discussed a few minutes ago
23.13.54 #       <cxm> I find cassette adapters vary a lot in quality
23.14.01 #       <amiconn> HCl: The fake tape thing is mostly loosing bass
23.14.11 #       <HCl> amiconn: my speakers can't do bass anyways :P
23.14.19 #       <Bagder> I have plenty bass
23.14.19 #       <HCl> but i haven't really noticed it, i must say.
23.14.30 #       <HCl> cxm: its probably that.
23.15.00 #       <cxm> I had one so bad I threw it away. Later I bought a cheaper one and it worked better
23.15.19 #       <t0mas> lol
23.15.23 #       <HCl> mmmm.
23.15.28 #       * HCl just has the original radio..
23.15.34 #       <HCl> anyways.
23.15.38 #       <cxm> next car will have sony+line in
23.17.14 #       <preglow> think i'll just drop the entire cd/tape/linein thing and mount a c64 in the stereo compartment
23.17.48 #       * HCl is happy with anything that has 4 wheels and drives without burning too much fuel
23.17.49 #       <LinusN> yeah, that's the only sane solution
23.18.10 #       <HCl> so hows mp3 playback?
23.18.10 #       <HCl> o.o
23.18.18 #       <preglow> woo, naked h10
23.18.21 #       <LinusN> then you can spend the rest of your life optimizing the mp3 decoder
23.18.40 #       <HCl> no comment preglow.
23.19.00 #       <LinusN> the ultimate geek sign, when you get more excited about naked mp3 players than naked ladies
23.19.05 #       <HCl> mhm.
23.19.10 #       <preglow> why, the detail!
23.19.12 #       <t0mas> LOL
23.19.26 #       <cxm> where's the h10 porn?
23.19.31 #       <Bagder> http://www.easydigi.com/news/2005/1/10/news_520.htm
23.20.12 #       <Bagder> why would they use a codec chipset for mere AD DA?
23.20.14 #       <LinusN> http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=10569&highlight=portalplayer
23.20.27 #       <Bagder> wolfson has those things too
23.20.37 #       <LinusN> Bagder: the manufacturers call them CODEC chips
23.20.40 #       <preglow> i've decided not to spam the channel about my enthusiastic naked lady exclamations
23.20.47 #       <preglow> i feel that h10 porn is at least related
23.20.51 #       <LinusN> the UDA1380 is a CODEC chip too
23.21.21 #       <Bagder> that explains it
23.21.25 #       <Bagder> silly
23.21.34 #       <LinusN> sort of
23.22.08 #       <preglow> hmm, i can't remember if anyone ever figured out if the uda1380 can do full duplex
23.22.13 #       <t0mas> LOL
23.22.14 #       <t0mas> http://www.easydigi.com/news/2005/1/10/Pict8040.jpg
23.22.16 #       <t0mas> nice warning
23.22.18 #       <cxm> hmm so it _is_ portal player
23.22.18 #       <preglow> i had a look at the data sheets and found no indication that it's not possible
23.22.35 #       <t0mas> preglow: philips reseller told me it's possible
23.22.42 #       <t0mas> but never dared to email me :P
23.22.52 #       <preglow> the coward!
23.22.56 #       <t0mas> :)
23.24.49 #       <LinusN> i'd say full duplex is more of a coldfire problem
23.25.34 #       <preglow> yes, i expected that, but at least the uda doesn't prohibit it
23.26.05 #       <preglow> btw
23.26.10 #       <t0mas> hm.. next iriver mod... a cpu cooler
23.26.28 #       <preglow> talking about the imdct_l thing, it seems all input and output data is in iram
23.26.34 #       <preglow> at least it is on the stack, and that should be in iram
23.26.42 #       <LinusN> yes
23.26.48 #       <preglow> libmad uses bloody 4 kilobytes of stack sometimes
23.27.08 #       <preglow> clearly made with embedded platforms in mind
23.27.11 #       * amiconn seems to have spotted an outdated feature request...
23.27.20 #       <t0mas> oh... something else... stackusage of main thread with cvs of yesterday
23.27.27 #       <t0mas> is it 99% for everybody?
23.27.36 #       <t0mas> or is mine someway doing something wrong>
23.27.46 #       <preglow> i don't think that's working yet
23.27.46 #       <amiconn> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&group_id=44306&atid=439121&aid=886213 is probably obsolete since my exponential scroll speed settings...
23.28.04 #       <HCl> t0mas: where can you see that?
23.28.09 #       <t0mas> in debug menu
23.28.12 #       <amiconn> t0mas: Stack usage check doesn't work for iriver yet iirc
23.28.15 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yeah, close it
23.28.23 #       <t0mas> ok, then that's the problem :)
23.28.34 #       <LinusN> stack usage check should work...
23.28.37 #       * HCl flops on the couch
23.28.47 #       <preglow> HCl: hf
23.28.48 #       <amiconn> Somebody tried to enable it - this lead to an immediate rockbox crash
23.28.56 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Really?
23.29.06 #       * HCl prods preglow with a stick to tell him how far things are with mp3 playback
23.29.31 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yes, but the overflow check does not
23.29.32 #       <t0mas> ok, can anybody then confirm main is at 99% ?
23.29.32 #       <preglow> how should i know?
23.29.45 #       <preglow> t0mas: yes it is
23.29.49 #       <t0mas> ok
23.29.53 #       <HCl> thats not a good thing.
23.29.55 #       <t0mas> then it's not my build :)
23.30.26 #       <LinusN> t0mas: the usage check *should* work, but there might still be a bug
23.30.58 #       <t0mas> ok
23.31.44 #       <preglow> LinusN: but yeah, seeing as how all data i fetch in that loop is in iram, i sincerely doubt moving the loop itself to iram will make any difference
23.31.56 #       <preglow> LinusN: after the first iteration, all code and data should be in either cache or iram anyway
23.32.12 #       <LinusN> so you moved the constants to iram?
23.32.18 #       <preglow> they always were in iram
23.32.18 #       <LinusN> and the code?
23.32.26 #       <preglow> the code will be in cache after the first iteration
23.32.31 #       <preglow> and there's 13 iterations or so
23.32.53 #       <LinusN> interesting
23.33.12 #       <preglow> but yeah, i really should just try it instead of talking about it, i'm just afraid i'll be stuck in rockbox coding land again ;)
23.33.43 #       <LinusN> you mean nirvana?
23.33.55 #       <preglow> well, yes, i have to reside in hell for at least two more months
23.35.42 #       <preglow> i just plain don't understand it, the old imdct_l code has no loop, so will never utilize cache, it also has ALL constants implemented as move.ls
23.36.10 #       <preglow> and still it is faster by far
23.37.24 #       <LinusN> very weird
23.38.03 #       <preglow> some kind of cycle counter would be nice
23.41.48 Quit    cxm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))
23.42.12 #       <LinusN> didn't someone send a profiling patch to the tracker?
23.42.19 #       <Bagder> yes
23.43.10 #       <Bagder> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1157222
23.43.16 #       <preglow> that profile timer doesn't cut it
23.43.49 #       <preglow> i guess i'd need microseconds
23.44.31 #       <preglow> i also guess the interrupt overhead wouldn't exactly make for very accurate measurements in that case
23.46.50 #       <LinusN> just use a hardware timer
23.47.14 #       * LinusN suspects that his cache enabling code isn't correct
23.47.24 #       <preglow> that would be... nice ;)
23.47.29 #       <HCl>  :p
23.47.39 #       <HCl> and it would stop preglow getting crazy too! :p
23.47.49 #       <preglow> ohh, i already am delightfully mad
23.47.53 #       <rasher> http://www.easydigi.com/news/2005/1/10/Pict8049.jpg *stab *stab*
23.48.00 Quit    Harpy (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out))
23.48.01 #       <HCl>  :P
23.48.15 #       <Bagder> hahaha
23.48.16 #       <preglow> and there's your contributing factor
23.48.48 #       <HCl> looks like he broke something, heh.
23.49.06 #       <HCl> or is that screen meant to be so..... squarey.
23.49.19 #       <rasher> or maybe it's just moire crap
23.49.32 #       <preglow> it's just aliasing
23.49.34 #       <rasher> the lines don't look straight
23.49.42 #       <amiconn> LinusN, Bagder: I'm seriously thinking about adapting this patch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1110332
23.50.03 #       <amiconn> ...not only for Ondio, but also for FM/v2 recorder
23.50.11 #       <Bagder> sounds like a good idea to me
23.50.22 #       <LinusN> go ahead
23.50.25 #       <amiconn> However, I'm not sure about the best way to enable this mode
23.50.54 #       <amiconn> Holding a button while plugging USB would be the best way, but then there is no spare button on Ondio
23.51.12 #       <rasher> I wonder where pillo went.. his viewer patch was nice, but n ot completely bug free :-\
23.51.13 #       <amiconn> Having a menu option might be confusing
23.51.50 #       <Bagder> wouldn't it be possible to "close" the usb mode with a key?
23.51.53 #       <amiconn> ...in case someone enables it by accident, he'll be puzzled why the box won't go into usb mode
23.52.48 #       <amiconn> I already thought about a "one shot" menu option which disables itself after the usb is pulled again
23.53.08 #       <amiconn> Bagder: You mean, leave the USB screen with a button?
23.53.11 #       <Bagder> yes
23.53.11 #       <preglow> if the cache isn't correctly set up, then serious thought should be given to adapting the other imdct_l algo instead
23.53.17 #       <preglow> methinks i'll never be done with libmad
23.53.36 #       <Bagder> amiconn: lots of free keys there methinks
23.53.43 #       <amiconn> Yes indeed
23.53.56 #       <HCl> preglow: the faster it gets, the lower we can set the frequency, the more battery we'll have :3
23.54.05 #       <amiconn> However, there should be a safety request then, to prevent leaving USB by accident
23.54.17 #       <Bagder> yes probably
23.54.26 #       <amiconn> ...perhaps in the middle of a large file transfer. Ouch!
23.54.33 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.57.37 #       <amiconn> Hmm. Not entering USB mode in the first place would be better though
23.58.13 #       <amiconn> There's the problem with the MMC reset on Ondio, which requires the card to be pulled if it was accessed by rockbox before