--- Log for 10.05.105 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 20 days and 15 hours ago 00.04.45 Quit tvelocity[away] ("Leaving") 00.20.59 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 00.23.23 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 00.26.11 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 00.30.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.46.54 Join austriancoder [0] (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 00.52.23 Part kramerica 00.55.48 Quit austriancoder ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 01.03.31 Quit _aLF ("Leaving") 01.05.05 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.09.48 Part MoosCamaro 01.44.51 Join Adity1 [0] (~Aditya@pcp09495878pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 01.44.55 # hello? 01.45.00 # hi :3 01.45.10 # hey HCl 01.45.29 # I cant get my damn mouse to work with linux 01.45.35 # wireless.. *sigh* 01.45.37 # ah o.o 01.45.58 # how do you print incoming mouse data? 01.46.05 # cat /dev/psaux? 01.46.09 # I remember there is a command to do that 01.46.13 # ah.. I think thats it.. thanks 01.47.05 # noe 01.47.12 # definitely not working 01.47.13 # gah 01.48.04 # linux can be such a beep to setup properly 01.48.11 # and people tend to blame it on hw manufacturers 01.55.20 # mmmmmm 01.55.24 # think I foundmy problem 01.55.30 # mm? 01.55.31 # thing was looking at /dev/mouse 01.55.40 # when it was really supposed to look at /dev/input/mice 01.55.43 # well, it is a hw manufacturer problem if you look at it one way 01.55.54 # its usually not 02.02.08 # meh 02.02.14 # linux is just mostly oss software 02.02.17 # hmm this should do it 02.02.22 # and though oss people can generally code okish 02.02.35 # they're terrible at user interface design and userfriendlyness. 02.02.40 # like me :p 02.02.44 # *points at databox* 02.02.51 # hence.. the monstrosity that is GIMP 02.02.51 # but at least i'm aware that its cruddy 02.02.56 # well 02.02.58 # yea. 02.02.58 # that applies to most coders 02.03.01 # the interface of gimp sucks 02.03.02 # not just oss people 02.03.03 # but honestly 02.03.05 # gimp is great 02.03.05 # o.o 02.03.08 # Hcl, I can design interface and such if you want.. 02.03.08 # aside from the interface. 02.03.10 # whats wrong with gimp's interface? 02.03.13 # thats what I do most of the time anyways 02.03.14 # the interface of gimp isn't that bad 02.03.16 # ze: it sucks? 02.03.24 # Adity1: that doesn't say whats wrong with it 02.03.37 # its not very practical with all the tiny windows 02.03.44 # rather than using one big one and using docking windows in there. 02.03.53 # I find it annoying how everything is hidden 02.04.02 # photoshop is like the best one ever 02.04.04 # and its tricky to even save a certainfile 02.04.04 # i hate one big window apps 02.04.07 # you don't have to search for shit 02.04.08 # like the way photoshop is 02.04.11 # cause you have to click it and select from a menu etc 02.04.13 # its just a bunch of wasted space 02.04.23 # blocking other apps that i'll want to use in conjuction 02.04.32 # like what ze? 02.04.46 # like my irssi term where i can do math to calculate dimensions or whatever 02.05.06 # or a term where i can run other commandline image-processing apps 02.05.07 # or whatever 02.05.16 # I have been using photoshop for about 4 years now.. never found it annoying.. its nice that I dont have to worry about 20 dialogs 02.05.26 # well thats you on windows 02.05.33 # you're used to that limited operating paradigm 02.05.41 # sure.. w/e 02.05.43 # windows pisses me off every time i use it, cause everything gets in the way of everything else 02.05.50 # O.o. 02.06.01 # why can't we just agree that people have different needs? :P 02.06.03 # w/e you say ze.. I am tired of arguing with one-sided people 02.06.04 # i'm used to sloppy focus and non-auto window raising 02.06.13 # * HCl shivers at sloppy focus 02.06.13 # hazha 02.06.14 # I use both linux and windows 02.06.17 # and i can do stuff so much faster like that 02.06.19 # cmon 02.06.24 # you're not very dual sided either here 02.06.33 # i'm off before this evolves to a flame fest 02.06.37 # and I am telling you.. windows is good for design.. linux is good for programming/servers etc.. 02.06.38 # XD 02.06.41 # i'm with ya preglow 02.06.44 # i need to sleep anyways 02.06.45 # hehe 02.06.55 # pfft 02.06.58 # * HCl goes to pet his kitty 02.07.00 Quit preglow ("lol") 02.07.10 # * Adity1 hurls a bucket of napalm at HCl 02.07.11 # * HCl just goes afk though, not poof :p 02.07.13 # how about how hydrogen has it 02.07.15 # * HCl eats it. 02.07.18 # hmm.. now where did tat match box go.. 02.07.21 # afk :p 02.07.24 # ah there it is. 02.07.29 # it can be one-window ala photoshop or multi-window ala gimp 02.07.33 # and you can switch it in the prefs 02.08.09 # that way you can use what you like 02.08.11 # thats not the main problem ze.. there are just too many dialogs in GIMP.. that could have been organized much better 02.08.30 # but honestly i don't see any logical reason to have things in one window like that, since it just needs subwindows for everything anyway 02.08.36 # well there's no fewer dialogs in photoshop 02.08.49 # they're just subwindows of the main one 02.09.09 Join austriancoder [0] (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 02.09.16 # hi 02.09.17 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@ipa37.2.tellas.gr) 02.09.26 # and at least gimp's can dock together as of >=2.0 or whatever 02.09.46 # the way i got mine i've got 4 windows when i've got 1 image open... 02.09.47 # ze: the benefit is that you can raise them on top of other windows all at once 02.09.50 # have you ever used Photoshop CS? 02.10.04 # a group of dialogs on the left, a group on the right, the toolbox, and the image window 02.10.09 # you can move each part and organize them in palletes.. whichever way you want it 02.10.17 # HCl: so group them via your WM and you can too 02.10.29 # ze.. 02.10.30 # um. i'm not sure how to do that :p 02.10.30 # HCl: though personally that'd just annoy me, i like to raise a window only when i need to 02.10.34 # I dont want to do extra shit 02.10.39 # i like to have all the toolwindows 02.10.39 # I want things to just work.. 02.10.42 # of something i'm editing 02.10.43 # heh. 02.10.45 # and windows lets me do that 02.10.46 # so eh 02.10.59 # I should say photoshop 02.11.07 # because I have nothing against linux 02.11.08 # just gimp.. 02.11.12 # well see, i guess thats where we differ 02.11.13 # lol. 02.11.21 # i like gimp 02.11.26 # dsoes anybody know, if linus started to write code to work with audiosettings? 02.11.28 # i haven't used it in ages though 02.11.30 # i like things to just do what i tell it to and not make assumptions about what i want it to do 02.11.32 # and the windows port is just crap 02.11.45 # * HCl doesn't even know whether his tablet is supported in linux 02.11.54 # linux is useless to me while it can't do 802.1x 02.11.59 # HCl: i've heard the windows port of gimp is pretty decent in recent times 02.12.02 # i got now a working i2c interface and tuner seems to work.. now i am hacking uda1380 code to enabel analog input 02.12.14 # ze: maybe, last version i've used was 1.3, i think 02.12.18 # austriancoder: nice 02.12.24 # hmm 02.12.27 # what in fucking hell.. 02.12.30 # HCl: and there's a patch for it that gives it photoshop's one-window style deal, so it doesn't flood the taskbar 02.12.33 # austriancoder: any progress on making it possible to record from radio? 02.12.39 # slack wont see my internet connection 02.12.52 # "see" your internet connection? 02.12.53 # O.o. 02.13.08 # you mean network card? 02.13.09 # as in .. its not connecting 02.13.27 # HCl: no.. at the moment not.. i am playing a little bit with the uda1380 ... 02.13.33 # okies 02.13.36 # just wondering 02.13.42 # in the end it should be possible, right/ 02.13.47 # ? 02.14.16 # yep it should be possible 02.14.20 # :) 02.14.32 # but first i want to hear radio :) 02.14.36 # *nods* 02.16.44 # coding can be very funny and interesting 02.16.58 Quit Adity1 (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.16.59 # and very frustrating 02.17.10 # this also 02.27.23 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 02.30.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.31.42 Quit DMJC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.35.28 # * austriancoder will go to sleep now 02.35.31 # good night all 02.36.20 Nick austriancoder is now known as ac_sleeping (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 02.41.46 # night.. 02.49.49 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-177-51-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 02.52.19 Quit DMJC (Client Quit) 02.55.37 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-177-51-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 03.41.28 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 03.43.59 Quit cYmen (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.00.38 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.05.57 Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 04.15.47 Join withak [0] (~no@12-221-96-78.client.insightBB.com) 04.16.48 # good night to all. :) 04.17.06 # i became a person who never gets near pc. 04.17.18 Quit QT (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.18.19 Quit XShocK (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 04.23.59 Part withak ("*slam*") 04.30.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.30.58 Join Aditya_ [0] (~458c60bf@labb.contactor.se) 04.31.28 # hmm 04.31.31 # anyone even here 04.33.46 Quit Aditya_ (Client Quit) 04.39.39 Join courtc_ [0] (~courtc@adsl-158-13-26.asm.bellsouth.net) 04.40.16 Quit courtc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.56.45 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 06.30.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.58.35 Join |it|ChasKi [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 07.16.10 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.21.26 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.25.05 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 07.34.28 Quit |it|ChasKi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.47.08 Nick courtc_ is now known as courtc (~courtc@adsl-158-13-26.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.47.59 Part courtc ("Leaving") 08.02.01 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) 08.14.09 Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.30.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.44.01 Join Strath [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a252.wi.tds.net) 09.00.23 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 09.08.21 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 09.11.05 Quit StrathAFK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.23.52 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-123-165.VIC.netspace.net.au) 09.32.20 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 09.44.10 Join Harpy [0] (YlSyVwztTf@dsl-hkigw7wbb.dial.inet.fi) 09.57.26 Join bobTHC [0] (~foo@l06m-9-20.d1.club-internet.fr) 09.57.54 # mornin' all ! 09.58.36 # * preglow goes to hang himself 09.59.30 # :( 09.59.42 # keep the faith preglow !! 09.59.43 # please don't, we need you :> 10.00.20 # leave the suicide note in the wiki 10.00.34 # http://www.nist.gov/public_affairs/releases/quantum_computers.htm Quantum Computers May Be Easier to Build Than Predicted, NIST Work Suggests 10.01.38 # i'm so tired of fighting against unix stuff in windows 10.03.38 # how so? 10.05.54 # like cygwin, msys and a ton of unixish libs i need to compile under windows 10.05.57 # it breaks randomly 10.10.00 Part LinusN 10.10.36 # and i need it ready in half an hour 10.12.13 # preglow > if u were u, i'll take a remote shell, with that u build ure env dev once. 10.15.11 # and i need the program to work on windows for demoing 10.18.04 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 10.18.06 # in a ssh session to ure shell , u can show it under every OS except if ure proggy using some OS specific graphics libs 10.19.43 # people should learn windows is for games only ;-) 10.20.13 # i need sound 10.20.15 # so can't use ssh 10.20.19 # i also need midi input 10.20.21 # so again, no dice 10.20.24 # indeed ;) 10.21.07 # i will kill and maim the authors of portmidi 10.21.39 # what that be before or after your suicide? ;-) 10.21.42 # would 10.21.46 # :) 10.21.49 # i will haunt them in the afterlife 10.25.51 # good morning 10.26.10 # brb... coffe time :) 10.26.25 # *coffee 10.30.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.50.23 Join Lynx_ [0] (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 10.51.50 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 10.58.33 Join arfo [0] (~arfo@p213.54.207.41.tisdip.tiscali.de) 11.01.34 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@pD9E7E7E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.07.36 Nick ac_sleeping is now known as austriancoder (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 11.07.47 # goood morning 11.09.22 # morning 11.10.07 # * austriancoder reads docs about the uda1380 11.12.16 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 11.20.04 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.20.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@pD9E7E7E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.21.50 Part arfo 11.43.56 # yawn 11.46.26 # morning ;) 11.52.28 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.02.51 Join MoosCamaro [0] (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.03.09 # Morning all 12.03.18 # hi 12.08.13 # hey 12.31.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.56.12 Join AEnertia [0] (~AEnertia@210.54.152.120) 12.56.27 # Hey i've seen a huge hole in the codecs page... 12.56.44 # fill it, fast! 12.56.48 # Because the ihp3xxx series supports video playback 12.57.00 # It's an undocumented feature 12.57.30 # * rasher adds speex while we're at it 12.57.49 # we will support video playback, but with our own video format 12.58.05 # There is info on mystic river for the various encoder setting you need to have for it to work. 12.58.16 # Probably a good idea 12.58.18 # =-) 12.58.39 # But it might be prudent to add the video dec libraries around to the codecs page... 12.58.58 # It might make some of the decisions for implementing the audio codecs clearer 12.59.23 # since you will have to reencode 99% of all vodeo you want to see, we will use our own format 12.59.30 # video 13.00.01 # BTW as a user of an old jbrv2 (which is now recylced in a usb externall hdd case after dieing beyond recovery)... and now the owner of a ihp3xx 13.00.07 # which will (probably, hopefully) have full speed frame rate 13.00.25 # I am happy to be back into the fray.. =-) 13.00.32 # instead of the 10fps in the H3x0 iriver firmware 13.00.45 # ;-) 13.01.24 # I've used a lot of Portable devices and rockbox remains the BEST interface hands down 13.01.41 # I was actually really disappointed with the irivers interface and firmware... 13.01.44 # ooh, speex has a fixed-point port in-progress 13.01.45 # good to hear 13.01.56 # Cheers for everything so far... 13.02.09 # * LinusN has an H320 13.02.50 # Oh and with the usb host... there isn't any discussion on the forums or wikifaq... any ideas about that? 13.03.46 # not yet 13.04.55 # kk... 13.05.06 # we haven't started with the H300 port yet 13.05.32 # Have iriver said anything/given any idication of cooperating ? 13.05.53 # we haven't asked them 13.05.58 # they haven't said anything 13.06.24 # Do you think it's worth trying? 13.06.28 # one of their representatives have vaguely expressed a wish to make contact 13.06.39 # they know about us 13.06.51 # i don't think it's worth to make contact 13.06.51 # Well that's somthing i guess. 13.06.56 # I don't think we have much to gain 13.07.13 # if they want anything, they know where to find us 13.07.20 # =-) 13.07.22 # I noticed someone found specs for the h320 display recently 13.07.36 # yah I saw that... 13.07.41 # h300, I guess 13.07.42 # it's most likely the wrong display 13.07.51 # I saw that also ;-) 13.07.53 # ah, bummer 13.08.16 # Hm, lots of lang updates 13.08.22 # I wonder if dansk is out of sync 13.09.15 # time to run that language stat script of yours! ;-) 13.09.37 # Yes.. I seem to have done something to it though 13.09.44 # its output has changed somehow 13.11.18 # what's keeping pillo's proportional-font viewer patch out? 13.14.23 # this can't be right.. islenska is reported as having 166 untranslated strings 13.17.03 # i don't think anything is keeping the prop-font viewer patch out 13.17.16 # someone has to test it on all platforms and then commit it 13.17.49 # I can vouch for it on iRiver at least 13.18.37 # applied it a good while ago and forgot that it wasn't "official" 13.19.34 # i have to run 13.19.39 # cu around 13.19.59 # later 13.20.03 Part LinusN 13.22.57 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 13.39.51 # since when is the H3x0 in discussion? :) 13.40.12 # it always has been, only a bit in the background 13.40.26 # and now Linus has one... 13.41.46 # ah. is it much different? except the obvious colour screen. 13.41.55 # different keypad 13.42.37 # and hardware wise? 13.42.39 # I didn't try it much so I can't tell about other details 13.42.45 # hardware wise it is similar 13.42.51 # ok 13.43.13 # the lcd is the biggest thing keeping the first rockbox boot away still 13.43.14 # but it's also out of production i guess from it not being on amazon... 13.43.41 # shops should still have them 13.44.49 # yes, they do... 13.45.25 # oh, and it doesn't come with the fancy remote 13.45.59 # sometimes I'd like a simple remote 13.53.18 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@ipa157.7.tellas.gr) 13.53.45 Nick tvelocity is now known as tvelocity[away] (~tony@ipa157.7.tellas.gr) 13.53.49 # 340 eur for a h320...were the archos also so expensive? 13.57.57 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.58.18 # 309 in denmark :) 13.59.07 # hmm, i have to check what i would get for my recorder on ebay ;) 13.59.46 # oh, that's from a French store it seems 13.59.59 # pixmania.com 14.02.24 Quit lostlogic ("Going to the moon") 14.03.32 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) 14.08.17 # hmm, ebay germany has only two recorders for about 100, but with days to go 14.25.56 Join Chamois [0] (~Chamois@champigny-5-82-226-182-23.fbx.proxad.net) 14.31.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.38.28 # rasher: in progress? i thought the fixed point version of speex works pretty well 14.38.47 # Ah, just going by their webpage 14.39.03 # "In-progress fixed-point port" 14.39.07 # but yeah 14.39.07 # quote 14.39.30 # i've used speex before 14.39.32 # it's a fine codec 14.39.51 # someone came here asking about it 14.40.18 # when? 14.40.37 # a few days ago I think 14.40.56 # i've been thinking about adding it, to see how well it performs without iram 14.40.59 # but no time 14.41.39 # ah 14.42.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050508.txt <-- Speex request at 00:59:20 14.42.39 # linuxstb was also talking about speex for voicebox 14.43.13 # I do wonder where he went 14.43.15 # yes, that's what i'm thinking about using it for 14.43.25 # yes, me too, would be nice to have another codec person around 14.44.56 # his domain is not responding 14.44.57 # o.O 14.45.12 # yeah, i've noticed that as well 14.52.38 # http://www.itunes.se/ 14.52.42 # :-P 14.53.16 # ASP? 14.53.28 # apple using asp? lol 14.53.45 # hahaha 14.55.13 # is that registred to apple though? 14.55.47 # looks like it is 14.56.00 # "Apple Computer Inc." 14.56.13 # http://www.itunes.nl/ 14.56.16 # "1 Infinite Loop" >< 14.56.17 # looks good? :P 14.56.58 # * Bagder runs off 15.08.12 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=668.0 the nerve 15.09.12 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.09.48 Join b0bTHC [0] (~foo@l06m-9-20.d1.club-internet.fr) 15.16.27 # rasher: 8| 15.16.40 # * t0mas bangs his head against the wall... 15.16.47 # how stupid can you be... 15.17.16 # Oh quite 15.23.21 # * preglow has his first counter strike session in a long, long while 15.24.46 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 15.24.50 # hi 15.25.03 # preglow: good luck then 15.25.19 Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 15.26.19 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.34.46 Quit b0bTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.14 Part austriancoder 16.08.53 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.10.11 Join bobTHC [0] (~foo@l06v-4-141.d1.club-internet.fr) 16.19.38 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 16.19.53 # hm... 16.20.03 # in rockbox... the version number is the compile date... not the checkout date.. 16.20.20 # wouldn't it be better to use the CVS checkout date as a version? 16.20.40 # how would you automate that? 16.20.52 # don't know, that's why I ask 16.21.06 # better yes, but harder to implement 16.21.13 # you'd need cvs to tag your source code 16.21.19 # yes.. 16.21.21 # set a cronscript on the server to update a file :) 16.21.54 # cronjob, I believe is the word I was looking for :-X 16.22.13 # :) 16.22.44 Join b0bTHC [0] (~foo@l06m-11-165.d1.club-internet.fr) 16.23.49 # hm... how do I "add" strings in a define? 16.24.01 # possible to do #define BLA "Something: " VAR 16.24.32 # :-/ 16.24.56 # ## 16.25.00 # ok 16.25.03 # i think 16.25.05 # gimme a sec 16.25.22 # yes, I can test it myself :) 16.25.40 # is VAR i #define as well? 16.25.51 # a macro... 16.25.53 # so yes... 16.25.59 # try #define BLA "Something: " #VAR 16.26.48 # googling gave me this 16.26.52 # #define CONCATENATE(x,y) x##y 16.26.58 # which seems to support ## 16.27.00 # ok, lets try that 16.29.04 # test.cpp:9:1: pasting ""something: "" and "TEST" does not give a valid preprocessing token 16.29.19 # #define TEST "bla" 16.29.20 # #define BLA "something: "##TEST 16.29.22 # :( 16.30.12 # if TEST already IS a string 16.30.15 # then you need nothing at all 16.30.28 # well... my other test isn't a string 16.31.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.32.02 # what is it? 16.32.05 Join ismi [0] (~54487077@labb.contactor.se) 16.32.12 # hi 16.32.18 # preglow: the __DATE__ macro 16.32.30 # what does that evaluate to? 16.32.35 # a string? 16.32.41 # I guess... 16.32.46 # then you don't need anything there either 16.32.46 Quit ismi (Client Quit) 16.34.18 # hm.. 16.34.19 # doesn't work 16.35.34 # wait... 16.35.43 # it does when the "Something: " is a normal string 16.39.07 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.16 # hmm 16.40.25 # when i turn on my player with the remote several times 16.40.31 # it sometimes boots the iriver firmware 16.40.37 # yes 16.40.42 # when you press the button very short... 16.40.48 # like just clicking it 16.41.43 Join JackDaniels85 [0] (user@td9091ddc.pool.terralink.de) 16.43.14 Join bobTHC [0] (~foo@l03v-41-100.d1.club-internet.fr) 16.47.49 # no, when i keep it pressed as well 16.48.14 # hm... weird 16.51.14 # it should always boot the iRiver firmware, shouldn't it? 16.52.04 # yes 16.52.32 # So what's preglow saying..? 16.53.32 # that it doesn't 16.53.41 # ph wait 16.53.55 # preglow: it should do that... 16.54.04 # That's not a bug, but a feature! 16.54.07 # but when you press it to short, it somethimes doesn't work 16.54.10 # that's a bug... 16.54.29 # Indeed, but hard to do anything about 16.54.41 # hmhm 16.54.51 # I wonder how the iRiver firmware handles it 16.55.07 # if you can turn that on using a locked remote 16.55.14 # by tapping it 16.55.24 # if not, they know something we don't 16.55.31 # (if I understand the problem correctly) 16.55.44 # let me test this 16.56.04 # no 16.56.20 # they check for the key lock after half the booting afaik? 16.56.20 # no? 16.56.32 # then it should be possible? 16.56.34 # oh wait... 16.56.41 # they can't do that for remote separate 16.56.43 # waht, the remote SHOULD boot the iriver firmware? 16.56.47 # Yes 16.56.48 # why? 16.56.49 # yes preglow 16.56.55 # because it's convenient 16.56.59 # feature? :) 16.57.06 # won't stay that way though 16.57.14 # i sure as hell hope not 16.57.17 # Just as long as rockbox is not functional 16.57.20 # doesn't exactly make sense 16.57.29 # rasher: you have the iriver version flashed? 16.57.41 Part JackDaniels85 16.57.59 # The argument goes something like this: "If you're using the remote to turn it on, you probably have the player in your pocket and just want to listen to music" 16.58.03 # t0mas: not yet 16.58.42 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-177-51-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 16.59.42 # I just noticed the other day, the h120 is only slightly higher and a bit wider than my phone 17.00.38 # t0mas: I do now 17.00.43 # ok 17.01.44 # now let's see.. unlocked main, locked remote, short tap on remote with iRiver 1.63-eu firmware: doesn't turn on 17.02.00 # I wonder how they manage that 17.02.12 # Linus: Any ideas? 17.02.28 # linus is not here 17.02.35 # I know this 17.02.46 # Just in case he searches the logs :) 17.02.59 # haha 17.03.14 # i sure as hell don't assume people talk to me while i'm not here 17.03.24 # yes, but Linus does ;) 17.03.51 # now give me back my rockbox firmware.. 17.04.06 # * rasher waits for iriver to boot, go into usb mode 17.05.26 # * rasher waits for iriver to come out of usb mode 17.05.31 # * rasher sighs heavily 17.06.17 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.08.08 # * t0mas pads rasher on the back... it will all be over soon ;) 17.09.07 # certainly 17.09.10 # * rasher boots rockbox 17.09.12 # \o/ 17.09.54 Quit b0bTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.25.19 Quit Ka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.32.11 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.34.57 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-177-51-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 17.35.53 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 17.49.05 # * t0mas is still wondering how iriver knows what button activated the player... 17.50.48 # why shouldn't it? 17.51.30 # well rockbox can't figure out in the case where the button is released immedeatly 17.51.34 # it probably does it sooner 17.51.37 # uh.. I sure butchered that spelling 18.04.34 # anyone know how to fix dead pixels? 18.04.37 # linus mentioned it can be done 18.05.12 # I think he just said "massaging" the screen gentlyu 18.05.45 # do i need any fancy scented oils? 18.06.09 # Haha, no idea 18.07.14 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.40 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.08.32 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050407.txt 18.08.51 # Is this about your new Dell screen? 18.12.06 # why, yes 18.12.08 # it's due tomorrow 18.12.13 # and i'll be having the full cpr kit ready 18.15.28 # heh, can't you just ship it back? 18.15.39 Join _aLF [0] (Alexandre@mut38-2-82-67-66-128.fbx.proxad.net) 18.20.19 Join Seed [0] (~ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 18.21.22 # yes, i can 18.21.27 # but it takes bloody ages 18.21.34 # and i really want to relieve my eyes from this crt hell 18.21.52 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 18.22.38 # I am in love with my 2005fpw 18.22.42 # it's supahnice 18.23.07 # apart from the widescreen 18.23.10 # i like 4:3 for monitors 18.23.17 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 18.26.00 # seems like it's more or less a wide screen version of the one i'm getting 18.31.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.48.47 # hello 18.55.47 Join |it|ChasKi [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 18.57.55 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.59.09 # preglow: is www.dagbladet.no dead? 18.59.30 # seems so 19.00.01 # alright 19.00.08 # so be it 19.05.36 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@resnet-241-86.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 19.06.57 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.14.10 Join Seed [0] (~ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 19.25.22 Join Fred [0] (~chose@84.4.39.142) 19.25.26 # Hi there ! 19.25.31 # hello. 19.26.26 # I have an FM Recorder 20, and I'd like to know if anyone managed to run Rombox with the latest CVS versions 19.26.56 # Some time ago it would have fit into Rombox, but it seems like Rockbox's tree grew in size 19.27.29 # Devs hinted to remove the debug menu, did anyone try this ? 19.28.01 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 19.29.17 # And another question : would it be possible to software hack an iPod Shuffle ? 19.29.39 # you should ask that in #ipodlinux, they'd prolly know.. 19.29.42 # The processor is a sigmatel stmp3550b, but there aren't much docs on it publicly 19.29.49 # Good hint lol 19.30.39 # But as the Rockbox team managed to hack older and newer Archos models, as well as iRiver H series ... 19.30.46 # Maybe you should know better 19.31.28 # iPod Suffle should have a much simplier layout than all these devices 19.32.02 # Fred: Rombox did never fit for the FM recorder, only if you down-flashed it to become a recorder V2 19.32.34 # That's what I did some time ago, my FM Recorder has a Recorder v2 rom in it 19.32.44 # However, now even this option is gone, because a number of features was added 19.33.05 # Really ? Rombox booted really fast ... 19.33.52 Quit |it|ChasKi (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 19.33.59 # The difference in boot time shouldn't be that big, the advantage of having more free RAM is imho the more important one 19.35.07 # [IDC]Dragon is working on bootbox, which is a cut-down rockbox intended to replace the archos firmware in the flash images... 19.35.47 # ...as a backup firmware. Bootbox will only handle charging, USB, and RoLo 19.36.07 # If this is done, rombox should be possible on all archos models 19.36.58 # Sounds great 19.38.03 # And Bootbox would have the core libraries Rockbox needs, or will it only be a minimal boot manager ? 19.38.12 # I mean, will it save ram for instance 19.39.10 # Bootbox itself will not change ram usage at all, because it's intended as a backup firmware only, the same way that the archos firmware is used in the current flash images 19.40.07 # That means, the future flash images won't contain archos firmware for "F1-boot", but bootbox instead 19.40.11 # ok, but will forcomming Rockbox builds have the bootcode stripped off ? 19.40.20 # ok 19.40.46 Join xen` [0] (~xen@pla25-1-82-227-196-9.fbx.proxad.net) 19.41.07 # So a normal boot would work exactly like now, but the smaller size of bootbox compared to the archos firmware will leave more free space in the flash, allowing to put rombox there 19.41.12 # But that means, we'll have some space left to store Rombox in the rom, as the original firmware will have gone away ? 19.41.22 Join Ka [0] (~tkirk@pcp0010733332pcs.howard01.md.comcast.net) 19.41.26 # That's it ... 19.42.30 # I llok forward for this :) 19.43.29 # Don't hold your breath though. It may take some time 19.43.40 # lol ok 19.44.09 # Did you had to reverse-engineer all the chips you ported Rockbox on ? 19.44.26 # Or were these chips well documented ? 19.45.07 # The chips are documented more or less, but of course the hardware design still needed quite some reverse engineering 19.45.09 # Sounds like you had hard time wondering how the boot process worked, but the processors were allready documented 19.45.16 # ok 19.45.51 # I didn't do all that, I joined the project when rockbox was already running on the jukeboxes 19.46.14 # ...but I did the Ondio port together with [IDC]Dragon 19.46.22 # ok 19.47.45 # Is the Rockbox base still moving, or do you actually focus on the iRiver port ? 19.47.46 # I believe that if the chips weren't documented at all, rockbox wouldn't have been successful 19.48.07 # Right 19.49.55 # We intend to keep supporting all platforms rockbox currently runs on 19.49.56 Quit MoosCamaro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.49.58 Join MoosCamaro [0] (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 19.50.36 # ...as long as it is possible/ makes sense 20.09.21 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 20.19.21 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.31.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.43.47 Quit Fred () 20.52.13 # fun... 20.52.57 # i, agree 20.53.12 # how i hate all unix simulating windows environments 20.53.27 # may their downfall be swift and sudden 20.53.29 # * amiconn is currently running firefox on his debian vm, forwarded through ssh to the host's cygwin x server... 20.54.01 # talking about wasted resources :P 20.54.20 # I merely want to see whether I get this working 20.54.34 # yes, I did almost the same yesterday... 20.54.39 # but with xeyes :) 20.54.39 # unix environments are cumbersome to configure... 20.54.51 # and a real pc... 20.54.56 # still have to install vmware some time 20.55.03 # First, I had to tell sshd on debian to do x11 redirection 20.55.26 # Then I tried the rockbox simulator through it... only to get a BadAccess error 20.55.56 # Some googling told me to enable ForwardX11Trusted in the client's ssh configuration 20.56.44 # indeed 20.56.48 # Maybe I should try the other way round as well 20.57.47 # amiconn: ssh -X works too iirc 20.58.01 # nope 20.58.05 # not? 20.58.16 # hm... putty worked... w/o extra config 20.58.25 # This enabled x11 forwarding only, but not the trust 20.58.44 # Maybe putty is different, but I'm using the openssh client in cygwin 21.00.25 Join theebag [0] (theebag@dD57662D5.access.telenet.be) 21.03.07 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-210-48.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 21.21.12 # * HCl bites his game 21.31.43 # how did it taste? 21.35.36 Quit theebag () 21.40.58 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.46.02 # hmmmmmm 21.47.56 Join DangerousDan [0] (~Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 21.52.04 Join XShocK [0] (~XShocK@pcp09492659pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 21.53.09 Join |it|ChasKi` [0] (~faggotypa@82-69-23-235.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 22.03.04 Join austriancoder [0] (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 22.03.29 # ahahaha 22.03.36 # Bagder: r u there? 22.03.58 # I might have found the cause of RLD... 22.04.18 # whoa 22.04.31 # When I'm not totally off, this is a mutex dealock... 22.04.35 # *deadlock 22.04.58 # ...which hits when the a retry is necessary 22.05.27 # erp 22.05.36 # deadlocks :< 22.08.43 # Does anyone feel like checking my thoughts? 22.08.51 # amiconn: didn't you try the proportional viewer plugin and find some gripes with it? 22.09.08 # Didn't try it... 22.09.46 # then my memory is glitching again 22.14.23 # any reason why strncmp is not in the plugin api? 22.14.40 # No yet needed in a plugin 22.14.47 # *Not 22.15.23 # then i assume someone's going to fix it when they need it, and i'll ignore the patch 22.15.45 # Yes, saw that patch too 22.17.03 # HCl: any news on markun and the grayscale patch ?V: 22.17.18 # Meh. 22.17.32 # That reminds me I should start working on the new gfx api... 22.17.45 Quit austriancoder (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 22.17.53 # oopsss 22.18.20 # there he went... 22.18.49 # There are more incomplete patches of markun... like unicode support 22.19.16 Join austriancoder [0] (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 22.20.26 # the unicode thing probably requires much work to be done throughout rockbox 22.20.38 # grayscale patch is much less work, he should work on that :P 22.22.07 Join Adity1 [0] (~Aditya@pcp09495878pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 22.26.45 # I wonder what type/ amount of change(s) would justify a major version bump, i.e. rockbox 3.0.... 22.28.58 # fully iriver support? 22.29.46 # well cygwin is finally working 22.29.48 # myes 22.29.55 # now to get this simulator thing running 22.30.02 # full h1x0 support with a good codec base i think would merit rockbox 3.0 22.30.10 # the codecs being what i think merits the bump 22.30.16 # agreed 22.30.48 # and by v4.. h320!!! :P 22.31.00 # hahah 22.31.06 # nothing revolutionizing for that, i'm afraid! 22.31.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.32.36 # * HCl yawns 22.33.03 # preglow: i don't think he's been working on it. 22.33.18 # I don't know what justified the bump to 2.0, but then I did not yet participate when that happened 22.33.19 # we made a nice compiler for this tiny language today 22.33.20 # it was fun 22.35.49 # compilaers are bitch when you get to write for all of the C language.. *shudders* 22.36.02 # i dunno 22.36.06 Join cYmen_ [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 22.36.07 # well all as in the most common stuff 22.36.10 # C syntax isn't that hard 22.36.15 Nick Adity1 is now known as Aditya_ (~Aditya@pcp09495878pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 22.36.26 # its not the syntax.. its just a pain 22.36.32 # hm? 22.36.51 # hmm 22.37.01 # so thats why my batteries are dying so quickly 22.38.01 # this logitech software apparently puts ur keyboard+mouse on "idle" when you are not using them so ur batteries dont run out quickly.. 22.38.13 # I apparently didn't have this installed after I reinstalled XP 22.41.43 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (~[IDC]Drag@p3EE2D34A.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.41.57 # Good evening Hanover 22.42.06 # hello 22.42.21 Quit cYmen_ ("leaving") 22.42.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> hi there 22.43.11 # Maybe I found the cause for rld... :) 22.43.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> just a quick one from my webpad 22.43.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> saw that 22.43.24 # Ah 22.43.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> brought me here... 22.43.48 # Now I only need a shaky environment to test with my player... 22.44.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> painful typing 22.44.16 # Look at ata.c, ata_read_sectors().... 22.44.33 Join Chamois [0] (~Chamois@champigny-5-82-226-182-23.fbx.proxad.net) 22.45.32 # <[IDC]Dragon> not now, i'm in bed already 22.45.35 # Take a look at Line 499, then lines 573/ 608/ 620, then line 628. Then take a look at ata_soft_reset() 22.45.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> just wanted to cheer 22.46.15 # What does that tell you? Eeek! mutex_lock(&ata_mtx) within mutex_lock(&ata_mtx) ! 22.46.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> no good, indeed 22.47.20 # Hmm, there's something I wanted to ask you.... but I don't remember atm 22.47.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> our mutexes should not lock if already owned by the same thread... 22.47.50 # Promoting sloppy coding? 22.47.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> in win32, they don't 22.48.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> or give a warning for debuging 22.49.20 # Same as above goes for ata_write_sectors() of course 22.49.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> btw, rockbox 2.0 was the plugin system 22.49.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> maybe 3.0 is no rld 22.50.02 # Hmm, maybe I don't remember correctly? 22.50.02 # rld? 22.50.38 # Afair, rb 2.0 was the first version I had on my recorder. I'm quite sure this didn't have plugins, but some games in the main menu 22.50.53 # HCl: Red Led Death 22.51.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> red light death, a loong maintained bug 22.51.13 # Meaning a deadlock on harddisk access, with the red led constantly on 22.51.22 # <[IDC]Dragon> our classic 22.51.45 # plugins came in 2.1 22.51.53 # <[IDC]Dragon> oh 22.51.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/download/old.html 22.52.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> i thought flasing came in 2.1 22.52.32 # Bagder: So my memory wasn't wrong :) 22.52.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> must have been 2.2 then 22.52.59 # <[IDC]Dragon> my first was 1.4 22.53.20 # <[IDC]Dragon> that's how i started 22.54.16 # Bagder: So was there anything special that justified 2.0? 22.54.25 # <[IDC]Dragon> i still keep a 1.4 variant with infrared control capability 22.54.38 # amiconn: I don't remember what made us take the jump 22.54.39 # Infrared? 22.54.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> rc5 patcj 22.54.56 # <[IDC]Dragon> patch 22.55.04 # [IDC]Dragon: Is there no way to port it to current rockbox? 22.55.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> sure there is, nobody demanded 22.55.38 # Bagder: Should it perhaps become rockbox standard that a .4 version is followed by a .0 ? 22.55.49 # ;) 22.55.54 # I'm game! ;-) 22.56.03 # 3.0 would be due then... 22.56.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> pental numbering? 22.56.15 # rofl 22.56.45 # 4.4 --> 10.0 22.56.57 # * Bagder giggles 22.56.58 # <[IDC]Dragon> go fix that rld first... 22.57.34 # I'll need a way to reliably reproduce hd retries 22.58.09 # Btw, I observed that this hitachi hd wants to retry quite often when running on usb from battery power only 22.58.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> or post a test version 22.58.33 # Windows always manages to recover after some seconds 22.59.24 # Perhaps I should power the unit from my lab supply, with lowest voltage and current limiter lowered too... 22.59.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> if you see the lock from the program flow, no fufther experinents required 23.00.06 # I need experiments for seeing/ tuning the behaviour when I resolve the deadlock 23.00.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> my padding fing hurts from typing 23.00.21 # <[IDC]Dragon> finger 23.00.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> goodnight 23.00.54 # 'night 23.00.59 Quit [IDC]Dragon (Remote closed the connection) 23.05.55 Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") 23.18.29 # infrared? 23.18.40 # ? 23.18.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> i still keep a 1.4 variant with infrared control capability 23.19.01 # archos as a device with infrared? 23.19.17 # sounds like we need to port that feature to the current version 23.19.30 # its pointless to remove features when they're possible and we already have the source to them o.o 23.19.31 # with wat infrared port? :P 23.19.41 # *what 23.20.01 # i dunno 23.21.48 # t0mas: Probably hooked up to the SH1 serial port, dunno 23.22.05 # This was never part of mainline rockbox, but a patch (iiuc) 23.22.41 # hm.. 23.22.46 # ...needing a hardware mod of course 23.22.51 # yes 23.22.56 Quit Aison (No route to host) 23.23.05 # the iriver had a spare rx and tx pin on the main board right? 23.23.20 # someone read some numbers from it when iriver firmware was playing 23.23.21 # yes. 23.23.23 # However, some features that also need a hardware mod are part of mainline rockbox code, enabled by extra #defines 23.23.41 # (8 MB ram, rtc alarm wakeup for the v1 recorder to name some) 23.24.01 # heh, would it be possible to mod an rtc into iriver? :P 23.24.17 # I dunno, maybe it's even prepared on the pcb? 23.25.03 # hm... maybe linus knows 23.25.13 # This is sometimes frustrating; the Ondio pcb has pads & traces for a neat el backlight, but no Ondio was seen with these parts actually mounted 23.25.43 # can't you just mount some small type leds in? 23.25.49 # ...and still, archos re-did the layout for this part when the old el driver chip was no longer available (!!) 23.26.21 # t0mas: Not enough space. leds would need a diffusor plate or similar 23.26.49 # replace the screen? :) 23.26.56 # [IDC]Dragon got hold of that el driver chip and a small el foil and does now have a working el backlight 23.26.57 Quit |it|ChasKi` (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.27.05 # :p 23.27.21 # Turns out the archos firmware even drives the backlight control pin (!!) 23.27.27 # LOL 23.27.33 # haha 23.27.51 # good stuff 23.28.29 # well, if it didn't, it would be odd that they redid the layout, wouldn't it :) 23.28.52 # hmz... checking the pcb scans... 23.29.03 # I don't see any place for it... 23.29.10 # Just found it on [IDC]Dragon's site. The infrared control doesn't even need an internal mod of the archos. Just some circuitry hooked up to the remote control input pin... 23.29.14 # but I guess linus whould have noticed it then 23.29.38 # http://joerg.hohensohn.bei.t-online.de/archos/infrared/archos_ir.gif 23.29.56 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-121-167.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.30.32 # hm.. those iriver serial lines.. 23.30.44 # are we able to read to and write from them in rockbox? 23.30.59 # not sure 23.31.06 # A driver would be needed, but it shouldn't be hard 23.32.06 # ok, and the line out... that's hooked up to the audio chip? 23.32.10 # or the cpu? 23.32.24 # dac, I'd guess 23.32.36 # hm.. only optical is linked to the cpu? 23.34.34 # good night 23.36.51 # one thing that i think will be good to do is to make some kind of filesystem in 2MB flashin iriver, for example to store some games, or codecs, so that it does not require hard disk startup each time. 23.37.02 # ex: jffs 23.37.40 # i guess it is not very new idea, but i still though it worths saying. :) 23.37.47 # hm... the most used codecs would be a nice idea 23.38.18 # Iirc the most used codecs will be builtin anyway 23.38.24 # ok 23.38.30 # i think there are maaaany things that can be storred there.. 2MB is not small 23.38.46 # heh.. 23.38.54 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 23.38.57 # 2 MB minus the iriver firmware, and/or rockbox 23.39.16 # rockbox flashed? :) 23.39.22 # like the archos has now? 23.39.48 # Once it runs stable, that would be a good idea imho 23.40.02 # hm.. it would speed up the booting even more I guess 23.40.02 # amiconn: what rockbox is ready, why would iriver original be needed anyway, actually if someone wants, nobody stops a person from running it from hard disk anyway 23.40.21 # i mean original firmware 23.40.28 # XShocK: when rockbox doesn't boot (devving trouble) then it's nice to have iriver firmware 23.40.31 # for usb... 23.40.40 # Of course, ockbox would need to offer an option to flash firmware 23.41.04 # and some low lever recovery mode... 23.41.12 # for when rockbox itself can't boot 23.41.18 # loading iriver firmware from disk? 23.41.21 # would that be possible? 23.41.22 # t0mas: YOu don't necessarily need iriver firmware for that. 23.41.50 # Did you read the conversation about bootbox for archos earlier this evening? 23.42.02 # do you think that flash can include both rockbox+codecs+ original firmware? i doubt it 23.42.03 # I can imagine something similar for iriver 23.42.05 # no, but I heard something about bootbox 23.42.12 # that would be a good idea 23.43.41 # XShocK: The 258 KB flash on archos can hold archos firmware + rockbox... 23.43.48 # *256 KB 23.44.10 # ...made possible by compression 23.45.09 # * t0mas is now really away :) 23.45.12 # bye 23.45.26 # amiconn: yes, but current mp3 realization is itself 260kb. :) 23.45.38 # Huh? 23.45.53 # That's huuuge 23.45.55 # mpa2wav 23.46.17 # but you are right, compressed it may be around 100 23.46.18 # My guess is that most of it is just bss space 23.46.24 # Do you have a .map file? 23.46.59 # no. i just look at mpa2wav.rock file 23.47.14 # Yes, and the .rock is code+data+bss 23.47.34 # The .bss is most likely some static buffer, which isn't part of the codec 23.48.01 # Can someone compile an iriver build, and post mpa2wav.map somewhere? 23.48.31 # preglow? 23.49.48 # amiconn: it will be around 60-80 kb anyway 23.49.58 # compressed version is 56kb. 23.50.48 Quit Harpy (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 23.52.54 # HCl: i think it is possible. we just copy it straight to ram, and run. since all algorithms of how iriver copies everything is known, it would not be a problem i hink. 23.53.33 # http://rasher.dyndns.org/~rasher/mpa2wav.map 23.53.59 # XShocK: Yes, something like the archos bootloader does, uncompressing it into the correct memory region(s) 23.54.16 # The rockbox flash bootloader for archos, I mean 23.54.39 # rasher: Thanks 23.54.44 # 150 kb of buffers 23.55.30 # mpa2wav: ~31 KB code, ~145 KB buffers, ~40 KB constants 23.56.10 # amiconn: how much space do we have in flash with original firmware? 23.56.10 # that's a lot of constants 23.56.28 # plus ~29 KB in iram 23.56.53 # 40kb constants?? :) 23.57.41 # XShocK: Dunno. How big is the final .hex (iriver fw + bootloader)? 23.57.57 # XShocK: Yes, 40 KB constants (the .rodata section) 23.57.58 # amiconn: the same.. 23.58.18 # i think 23.58.42 # amiconn: since i think data is not placed in addition, it is just replaced by useless space of functions