--- Log for 19.05.105 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 29 days and 15 hours ago 00.00.15 # this is true they do, but if u want to write one app, and have it instantly available on multiple platforms, it's excellent 00.00.40 # just nothing to resource heavy, like writing limewire in java was a terrible idea 00.00.49 # writing it period was terrible 00.00.55 Quit Harpy (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.00.56 # but even more so, because it was in java 00.01.23 # amiconn: java is fairly fast..... its just the gui thats slow... 00.01.30 # the recompiling can take a while when starting up.. 00.01.54 # I've seen running non-gui java tad slow as well 00.01.54 # and yea, big advantage is it runs on all major platforms 00.02.02 # anyways. 00.02.04 # i'm gonna cuddle my cat 00.02.09 # cause thats more important than irc :p 00.02.10 # afk. 00.02.23 # it'll always be slower than C, asm, or C++ 00.02.57 # but for its capabilities, it does a good job of implementing them fairly fast 00.03.47 # it needn't be slower than C 00.03.55 # if you have a good virtual machine implementation 00.04.13 # and a well powered computer 00.04.21 # you take both languages, and run them on a 486 00.04.25 # now thats a speed test 00.04.27 # i think there's a java compiler based on gcc that makes native binarys from bytecode.. 00.04.41 # I-R-Addict: sure, as long as you don't optimize the C for the 486 00.05.33 # hmm.. dunno bout the gcc one, gentoo uses blackdown java by default for it's sdk 00.05.48 # and its a binary package 00.05.56 # usually if they can, they stick to src packages 00.06.33 # but definitly, java is a good language 00.06.46 # depending on the need, but that is the same with any language 00.07.45 # actually, interesting fact.. java was originally designed to run applicances, microwaves were the main target 00.07.52 # java is slow 00.07.55 # no doubt about it 00.08.00 # it's an ok enough language 00.08.10 # deciding not to have operator overloading sure was braindead 00.08.28 # yea 00.08.34 Join stripwax [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 00.09.33 # now, time for ale 00.12.44 Part stripwax 00.29.25 # java is designed to prevent people from making mistakes and prevent unreadable code as much as possible 00.29.33 # perl > * 00.29.34 # :-) 00.31.32 # :P 00.31.40 # brainfuck > * 00.31.52 # ahahha 00.31.56 # know brainfuck? 00.31.57 # :) 00.31.59 # yes, i do 00.32.01 # :P 00.32.03 # i wrote an interpreter for it 00.32.03 # fun fun. 00.32.12 # i remember writing a ansi colored hello world in it 00.32.24 # i believe it was during the same days when i wrote that polymorphing hello world program.. 00.32.25 # i've never written anything _IN_ it, heh 00.32.46 # wuss :P 00.32.50 # i have however written a ansi viewer 00.32.54 # nice :) 00.33.01 # it's still work in progress 00.33.25 # i swear 00.33.28 # winamp is the worst 00.33.31 # when it gets to shuffle 00.33.34 # i never use it 00.33.47 # i use it cause i don't like the way foobar looks 00.34.02 # i don't much care what things look like 00.34.22 # and foobar does gapless 00.34.22 # heh 00.34.32 # i don't want gapless :P 00.34.37 # i depend on it 00.34.41 # i actually tried to get a gap plugin for winamp 00.34.43 # it was crap :P 00.34.50 # 50% of what i listen to have no gaps 00.35.03 # at least xmms has an "pause # sec between songs" option 00.35.10 # i always listen to a mix of things 00.35.17 # and metal straight after a soft song 00.35.21 # is *not* nice 00.35.24 # haha 00.35.31 # i almost always listen to entire albums or entire mixes 00.35.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.35.43 # ahh 00.35.44 # my eyes bur 00.35.45 # n 00.35.50 # nice 00.35.56 # time for some disassembly, then 00.36.03 # hehe 00.36.05 # O.o 00.36.09 # ida 4.8 supports thumb 00.36.20 # but it still requires the user to select the 'thumb' bit within the disassembler 00.36.24 # so it knows whats thumb 00.36.27 # well, sure 00.36.30 # as the binary i have is just raw 00.36.31 # but looks like most things are thumb 00.36.35 # 4.8... 00.36.45 # i wonder if they fixed that bug that made 4.7 crash on this one program i had 00.36.52 # hehe 00.37.03 # i had to revert to an older version :/ 00.37.08 # shame :\ 00.37.10 # 4.7 is sweet 00.37.11 # mhm 00.37.13 # yea 00.37.14 # i know :/ 00.37.17 # 4.8 is sweeter ;) 00.37.22 # mhm 00.37.29 # i'll have to get it someday 00.37.31 # crashd: but yeah, it looks like only the intterupt table and the decrypter is 32 bit arm 00.37.39 # interrupt, even 00.37.43 # yeah 00.38.38 # could see if setting the thumb bit on most of the code brings up something legibly sane 00.39.30 # h10 work? 00.39.47 # trying to make it, yeah ;p 00.40.27 # ida can export dumps, yeah? 00.40.33 # in text, that is, i've only got 4.7 00.40.33 # aye 00.40.46 # but then again, i don't know thumb 00.40.51 # so i'll have to read up on a reference first 00.40.57 # lol, nor i :] 00.42.08 # god knows how they can fit this many instructions in 16 bits 00.42.22 # *sneezes* 00.44.19 # how much did you guy pay for your ida licenses? 00.44.35 # i didn't. evaluation version. 00.44.47 # i'll just refrain from answering :P 00.44.50 # hehe 00.45.05 # oh well, i never use it 00.45.15 # hehe 00.45.36 # i think someones using an offical evaluation license prolonger program ;) 00.45.46 # lies and slander 00.45.55 # hehe 00.45.58 # the eval only does win32 00.46.00 # what use is that ;) 00.46.02 # yup 00.46.18 # which is kind of useless, when i needed coldfire support, heh 00.46.33 # hehe 00.47.29 # but still, the coldfire port gets away cheap, thanks to having a load of datasheets for all we need 00.47.39 # a h10 project will not have that luxury, that's for sure 00.47.46 # bastards, i wish portalplayer were half as open :\ 00.47.51 Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 00.47.54 # the ipodlinux people haven't even figured out how to use the second arm core yet 00.48.04 # yea 00.48.07 # that seems odd to me. 00.48.12 # seeing how long the project has existed 00.48.20 # why can't they just disassemble the original firmware? 00.48.22 # it's been dormant for a loooong tme 00.48.23 # time 00.48.32 # ah well. 00.48.35 # hm... did iriver give an answer to their linux-in-their-pmps-but-no-sourcecode problem? 00.48.35 # and it seems to pretty dormat right now as well 00.48.43 # * HCl gets reminded of how his dad always confuses his iriver with an ipod... 00.48.51 # CoCoLUS: hah, they haven't released source, no? 00.49.05 # thats what i'm asking, but last time i read about it, they haven't 00.49.18 # well, sure seems like they've done their resource 00.49.19 # ehh 00.49.23 # research 00.49.42 # http://gpl-violations.org/ 00.49.49 # "this linux thing is up for grabs, right? no problems with just stealing it?" 00.49.56 # "why, yes, no problems at all" 00.50.03 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.50.22 # though i can't find anything about iriver... hm... 00.50.31 # it's hard to figure out if they're just stupid or actually expect to get away with it 00.50.41 # a lot of people simply don't have the money to sue them. 00.51.08 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-122-169.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.51.40 # of course not 00.51.45 # but still 00.51.55 # it's being an asshole 00.52.00 # bastards. 00.52.03 # i guess 00.52.06 # they should just release the source 00.53.11 # is the pmp-x series familiar to the ihp-x? 00.53.27 # (= would it -help- to have the sc?) 00.54.10 # dunno 00.58.23 # i believe the pmp's got a arm core and i ti dsp core 00.58.42 # i = a, hyes 01.01.43 Quit Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.02.46 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 01.13.22 # could not connect to ultima online 01.13.25 # hm 01.15.14 # a good excuse to do some coding :V 01.17.19 # * amiconn tries to build cross-gcc 3.3.6 on his linux vm 01.28.58 Quit Seed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.59 # whats the :V smiley? 01.30.31 # a guy i know dubbed it the duckbilled plattypus smiley 01.30.40 # i just started using it because i think it looks neat, heh 01.30.54 # um, okay :3 01.31.09 # that looks like a guy with testicles for chins to me 01.31.18 # in this particular font, at least 01.31.34 # mk o.o 01.31.46 # what's :3 meant to be? 01.31.54 # something like :S 01.31.58 # o.o 01.32.05 # haha, now i'm more confused 01.32.13 # >_< 01.32.15 # :P never mind :p 01.32.20 # aight, :> 01.33.24 # :| makes more sense than :S 01.33.36 Part Moos 01.33.40 # :S looks like the elephant man, so yeah 01.33.47 # lmao! 01.34.00 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 01.35.17 # running through the luff parade... o/' 01.35.18 # any of you ever seen this: http://www.euronet.nl/users/frankvw/rants/microsoft/IhateMS.html (It's a really good paper) 01.35.24 # i want music on iriver :/ 01.36.07 # i want linux on my iriver :/ 01.36.15 # i'm not keeping you 01.36.20 # i'm just thinking its a fairly dumb idea :/ 01.36.25 # unless its an 3x0 01.36.29 # well 01.36.43 # there's numerous reasons, one of them is the pure 'why not' factor 01.36.49 # which also seems to be somewhat driving behind rockbox ;) 01.36.51 # i know plenty of answers to that 01.36.52 # thats what i was saying 01.36.56 # and i don't much care, if there's linux on it, there'll be rockbox on it as well 01.37.03 # linux = slow on embedded systems 01.37.05 # but, also, because i have a lot of music in chiptune format 01.37.08 # slow as in not fast enough 01.37.12 # and itd be nice to listen to that 01.37.14 # it does not add any features whatsoever 01.37.18 # crashd: why, we're planning on chiptune support 01.37.21 # crashd: what format? 01.37.36 # xi sid 01.37.41 # xi = 01.37.41 # ? 01.37.49 Quit _aLF ("Leaving") 01.37.55 # shrug. i think screamtracker could export it, or modtune 01.37.55 # i'm curious though 01.37.55 # hmm 01.38.02 # what makes you think linux would help supporting that? 01.38.24 # there are players for it already 01.38.30 # quite a lot of the hardware platform already has drivers for linux 01.38.31 # due to ipodlinux 01.38.36 # though you'd need to make a lot of glue code 01.38.36 # and porting a new app isnt particularly hard 01.38.44 # preglow: but linux will be far too slow on embedded systems 01.38.49 # no, it won't 01.38.51 # hehe 01.38.53 # uClinux 01.38.55 # it'll be slower than rockbox, but not far too slow 01.39.01 # well, okay. 01.39.02 # too slow. 01.39.05 Join Seed [0] (ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 01.39.15 # seems to be doing ok on the ipod and mini.. 01.39.18 # too slow to run players on it for various formats realtime, at least. 01.39.23 # crashd: no. it can't even manage mp3 on them. 01.39.31 # only in console mode 01.39.32 # it should manage realtime formats well 01.39.33 # otherwise it stutters. 01.39.42 # give them a chance HCl ;) 01.39.58 # i do, i'm just saying, they don't have any usable playback on ipodlinux 01.40.02 # the games added are nice though. 01.40.04 # and them not managing realtime yet is because they haven't got a clue as to how to optimize 01.40.18 # they've just straight ported c code 01.40.19 # that, and not being able to use the second core 01.40.24 # yup 01.40.38 # so what your saying HCl , is that it could quit eeasily be optimised to run at realtime mp3? 01.40.41 # ;) 01.40.43 # give them more info and time, and it'll probably run well 01.40.46 # no O.o 01.40.54 # hehe, 01.40.58 # optimizations are never easy.. 01.41.03 # *frowns at crashd* 01.41.04 # anyways. 01.41.07 # i got more important things to do 01.41.08 # seconded 01.41.14 # HCl: ultima ;) 01.41.16 # than to jabber on about linux 01.41.16 # they're boring as well 01.41.17 # yup. 01.41.17 # :) 01.41.44 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 01.41.50 Join Seed [0] (ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 01.46.41 Quit cYmen ("zZz") 01.48.48 # anywho, regardless of what I intend to run on my h10, the information gained in the process of getting something to run will be helpful to you guys if you ever decide to port to it ;) 01.49.02 # of course 01.51.33 # yup 01.52.02 # debugging without printf() is so incredibly frustrating :/// 01.52.12 # heh 01.52.15 # what u upto preglow ? 01.52.24 # debugging a vst plugin i made for a pal 01.52.25 # preglow 01.52.31 # oh wait 01.52.33 # not rockbox? 01.52.36 # no 01.52.37 # ok 01.52.38 # nm then 01.52.39 # :) 01.52.50 # rockbox is pretty much on hold for me 01.53.01 # try making your vst plugin write to a file? 01.53.19 # *is clueless* 01.53.26 # it's an incredibly subtle bug 01.53.31 # i love those :P 01.53.33 # not 01.53.33 # things seems to work 01.53.38 # but then crash after a while 01.53.40 # but not always! 01.53.43 # those have killed projects of mine before. 01.53.54 # but those projects weren't oo, so hm. 01.54.05 # n64? 01.54.08 # mhm. 01.54.14 # well 01.54.16 # at least it ran pong 01.54.18 # and mandelbrot 01.54.19 # heh 01.54.21 # and more demos. 01.54.27 # even some 3d ones 01.54.37 # urgh 01.54.40 # im gonna go for a smoke then bed 01.54.44 # see you guys on the moro :] 01.54.52 # ait 01.54.55 # gnite 01.54.55 # night. 01.55.03 # i should prolly head to bed too.. 01.55.13 # but i never want to ;x 01.55.17 # hehe 01.55.21 # it's such a chore to go to bed 01.55.29 # haha 01.55.35 # i rather enjoy it 01.55.41 # but also put it off as much as possible 01.55.41 # i don't like sleeping ;x 01.55.53 # i love sleeping 01.55.59 # best thing in the world 01.55.59 # well 01.56.01 # once i'm asleep 01.56.04 # i don't want to get up 01.56.11 # but i don't want to go to sleep, usually 01.56.11 # :P 01.56.14 # haha 01.56.33 # i sure as hell don't want to get up 01.56.44 # i'm near-suicidal when i have to get up before i want to 01.57.03 # which is why i _really_ look forward to getting a job 01.58.12 # hah, think i bloody got the bug 01.58.35 # :P 01.58.37 # meh, building gcc takes ages :( 01.58.48 # takes about fiften minutes here 01.58.52 # i have a flatmate, who throws his alarmclock across his room while asleep 01.58.55 # then wakes up 3 hours later 01.59.01 # and finds his alarmclock at the other end of his room 01.59.08 # and then tries to figure out what happened :P 01.59.28 # haha 01.59.37 # preglow: Maybe 3.4.x is that fast. 3.3.x for SH takes quite some more time, because of the necessary workaround (adding newlib) 01.59.45 # ahh 01.59.49 # never did that 02.00.02 # Understandable 02.00.41 # god DAMN, this bug is elusive 02.00.42 # arghhh 02.01.32 # think i've found it, so comment in culprit code, but no, still works 02.05.29 # hmmm 02.05.33 # * HCl found a loophole in uo 02.19.57 # bah 02.20.03 # suns on its way up again 02.20.12 # time to prepare for bed 02.21.48 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 02.23.31 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 02.23.39 Join Seed [0] (ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 02.32.14 # mmmm 02.32.17 # bed ish good. 02.32.19 # night 02.33.23 # agreed 02.33.26 # gniht 02.33.26 Quit preglow ("o") 02.35.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.53.42 Quit thegeek (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 02.58.04 Quit merbanan ("Gone fisting...") 04.05.34 Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 04.16.16 Quit QT (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.35.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.20.51 Quit Aditya ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 05.49.26 Join dys` [0] (~user@pD955D97F.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.06.54 Quit dys (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.35.04 Join Josh_Files [0] (~de98a37f@labb.contactor.se) 06.35.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.36.56 # Can someone please help me, When I play video, The audio lags behind the video 07.06.49 # :(, No-One Wants to help me :( 07.11.52 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.18.39 # Can someone please help me, When I play video, the video lags behind the audio 07.18.57 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-177-51-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 07.19.35 # Well, only the videos I make myself 07.22.57 # i haven't tried to play videos myself 07.23.23 # i think i tried it once, a long time ago 07.23.34 # never converted any myself though 07.32.36 Quit courtc (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.32.59 Join courtc [0] (~courtc@adsl-158-35-37.asm.bellsouth.net) 07.40.40 Join hubbel [0] (hubbel@h7n2fls304o1033.telia.com) 07.50.14 Quit hubbel () 07.51.43 # LinusN - are you one of the guys who work on the music-playing features for the iRiver ? 07.52.08 # yes 07.52.57 # and are you guys working in a sandbox somewhere ? you haven,t committed anything yet huh? 07.53.04 # to the cvs I mean 07.53.25 # how's the development going ? 07.53.36 # my changes are not committed yet 07.53.58 # development is going slow atm, too busy with real life and paid work 07.54.25 # have you guys determined a final structure for the API and everything ? 07.54.46 # yeah.. I understand :) 07.55.09 # but even if it's slow.. I appreciate what you guys do. 07.55.26 # i'm pretty much working out the api as i go 07.55.28 # hey ! I at least have an on-the-fly playlist support :) 07.55.33 # hehe 08.04.23 Join Harpy [0] (EBkbivC1zT@dsl-hkigw7wbb.dial.inet.fi) 08.12.33 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-122-95.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.18.48 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.19.01 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a217.wi.tds.net) 08.22.39 Quit Josh_Files ("CGI:IRC") 08.27.45 # morning 08.35.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.37.19 Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.46.45 # morning 08.54.10 Join webguest76 [0] (~44b9440f@labb.contactor.se) 08.57.57 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.07.09 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.36.16 Join Aison [0] (~hans@80.254.166.181) 09.49.46 # btw, gcc 4.0 is really shaky on lots of platforms so the coldfire and sh platforms are not necessary special cases here 09.53.21 # hehe 09.53.58 # it generats bad code on i386 and PPC too occationally 09.54.26 # ouch 09.54.29 # It does? Hm. So it might be a good idea to stick to 3.x for a while 09.54.34 # yes 09.54.40 Join Musicmad [0] (~Musicmad@cpe.atm2-0-1031198.0x50a4ad0e.bynxx13.customer.tele.dk) 09.54.43 # Mac OS X Tiger has gcc4 by default 09.54.58 # and it bites ;-) 09.54.58 # shrug 09.55.23 # Sheesh... 10.02.26 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 10.04.26 # Bagder: I did some experimentation to track down the 'fresh build' vs. 'rebuild' problem 10.04.44 # A lot of files doesn't get rebuilt if config variable(s) are changed 10.04.50 # yeps 10.04.52 # I know why 10.04.59 # For some of them this is expected, e.g. the string functions 10.05.02 # hm 10.05.03 # no 10.05.19 # ...but some other also don't get rebuilt, like e.g. tree.c 10.05.24 # well, the depfile is only regenerated if a C source is modified 10.05.30 # ...which is clearly wrong 10.05.43 # I have a suspicion what causes this 10.05.51 # The depfiles are far from complete 10.07.13 # what's missing? 10.07.19 # perhaps we should use -M and not -MM 10.07.24 # in make.inc 10.12.00 # Are there any major differences between -M and -MM? 10.12.28 # "-MM Like -M but do not mention header files that are found in system header directories..." 10.12.42 # ah 10.12.48 # but 10.13.07 # I just tried using -M instead, and it didn't work as I thought it would 10.13.27 # the output then lacked dependencies 10.13.27 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 10.13.35 Join Seed [0] (ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 10.14.05 Part Musicmad 10.20.15 # Bagder: The output also lacks dependencies with -MM as in cvs 10.20.29 # what's missing then? 10.20.57 # dep-apps is ~10 KB, dep-firmware is ~16 KB 10.21.16 # This is not a cygwin problem; it also happens under linux 10.21.29 # ls -l apps/dep-apps 10.21.29 # -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 66376 May 19 10:21 apps/dep-apps 10.22.00 # Strange... 10.22.23 # so can you see any specific files/deps that are missing? 10.22.47 # -rw-r--r-- 1 Administrator Kein 10038 May 19 00:19 build/ndiofm/apps/dep-apps 10.24.55 # hm 10.24.59 # now I see that too 10.25.06 # weird 10.25.11 # if I remove the dep file and run make 10.25.18 # it becomes big 10.25.30 # if I do make clean and make, it gets small 10.25.46 # It contains dependencies for debug_menu.o, main.o, status.o, recorder/bmp.o, /recorder/icons.o, recorder/keyboard.o, recorder/widgets.o 10.25.51 # All others are missing 10.26.24 # I have an idea... 10.28.49 # Same thing happens when doing 'make clean; make' here 10.31.52 # I know why! 10.32.45 # lang.h is generated 10.32.50 # and doesn't exist the first time 10.33.30 # so it fails 10.33.30 # Hmm, so everything that depends on lang.h is missed? 10.33.36 # yes 10.33.36 # That's clearly wrong 10.33.53 # -MG is needed 10.34.39 # but not alone... 10.35.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.35.56 Join rasher [0] (~82e1029f@labb.contactor.se) 10.38.24 # hm, -MG is no fun option... 10.39.12 # time for shell script magic 10.45.38 # ok, I think I have a fix 10.46.45 # http://www.kroah.com/log/2005/05/18/#cp210x-take2 .. the lengths some companies will go to be complete assholes is astounding 10.46.51 Quit bangser (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 10.50.18 # * Bagder adds a good chunk of comment to explain this extension 10.51.57 # commit 10.52.05 # please try 10.53.23 # rasher: that is hard-to-read code ;-) 10.53.43 # they even obfuscated the printk()-lines ;-) 10.54.02 # printk("%\144\040\165\163\142_c\157nt\162o\154_\155\163g\040re\164u\162\156e\144 \045d\012", __LINE__ ... 10.54.19 # Haha, I only looked at the example 10.55.03 # and *all* variables are O1101010 or l1010010 style 10.55.34 # cripes 10.57.01 # I bet they just ran some existing program on the code 11.01.04 # I'd hope so 11.01.42 # hmmm, does the gpl really disallow obfuscation? 11.02.12 # no 11.02.31 # "it its preferred form" is the wording 11.04.59 # "The source code for a work means the preferred form of the work for making modifications to it. " 11.05.08 # right 11.05.16 # for making modifications to it is the key 11.05.47 # the obfuscated version is obviously not the preferred form for modifications 11.06.04 # si i'd say they are violating the gpl 11.16.25 # rofl. that's pathetic. one token per line 11.17.04 # half of the obfuscation would take only a few minutes to fix. then working out what the functions and variables do would take ages 11.20.29 # but if it's based on pre-existing GPL code, one could in theory use some pattern matching software to at least single out the stuff that's non-standard. 11.20.35 # s/non-standard/not pre-existing/ 11.21.03 # i'd say that isn't the issue 11.21.18 # they should be sued for violating the gpl 11.31.49 Quit rasher ("CGI:IRC") 11.32.18 # i agree 11.32.52 # it's clearly a violation of the copyrights, depending on interpretation. if they've released someone else's code in obfuscated form along with their own they deserve a good burning 11.39.20 # Bagder: Seems like the build is rebuilding all necessary files now, thank 11.39.26 # goodie 11.39.30 # I'll check it out in more detail this evening 11.39.53 # i.e. actually try the build on the unit 11.40.39 # Did you have a look at the simulator dependencies? 11.40.56 # no 11.41.04 # they would suffer from this too of course 11.41.56 # I wonder why the common library 'make' is called twice... 11.42.18 # ...the second time being after linking, i.e. useless for sure 12.08.05 Join Moos [0] (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.35.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.36.53 Join bangser [0] (~foswald@dsl-084-056-116-010.arcor-ip.net) 12.47.45 Join asdsd____ [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-31-235.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 12.47.52 Part asdsd____ 13.19.18 Join lostlogic_ [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 13.36.54 Quit lostlogic (K-lined) 13.36.54 Quit lostlogic_ (Client Quit) 13.40.52 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.49.26 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.24.55 Join Lost-ash [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-173.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.27.59 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 14.28.02 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-120-173.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.31.31 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.35.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.45.24 Join Aditya [0] (~Aditya@pcp09495878pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 14.50.44 Join xen` [0] (~xen@pla25-1-82-227-196-9.fbx.proxad.net) 14.51.58 Join Guest5715154 [0] (na@ti521110a080-2846.bb.online.no) 14.57.12 Join rasher [0] (~3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 15.03.39 Quit rasher ("CGI:IRC") 15.03.49 Join rasher [0] (~3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 15.27.11 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 15.38.45 Join bobTHC [0] (~foo@l06v-8-122.d1.club-internet.fr) 15.39.20 # hi folks ! 15.42.25 Part LinusN 16.11.52 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! 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It will automatically resume where you left off last time." 18.51.33 # is there something special i need to do for bookmarks? 18.51.43 # heh 18.51.49 # no idea 18.52.09 # cool. thanks anyhoo,.. 18.52.20 # * HCl tries to see how a tiny mp3 player screen would be more readable than a book, but fails.. 18.53.15 # it's not as bad as it seems it would be, reading on the little screen... plus, it fits in my pocket and i ALWAYS have it on me ... *grin*. 18.53.18 Join arfo [0] (~arfo@p213.54.218.53.tisdip.tiscali.de) 18.53.33 # can't play rockboy ALL the time... 18.53.56 # heh o.o 18.54.52 Part arfo 18.55.05 # also a bit curious about the greyscale patch... is the performance any slower (rockboy)? 18.57.42 # no 18.57.52 # maybe a tiny tiny bit 19.00.44 # cool.. cheers. 19.01.09 Part rubberglove 19.11.48 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) 19.38.42 Quit Seed (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.38.42 NSplit brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.38.42 Quit gromit` (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.38.42 Quit Lynx_awy (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.38.42 Quit wacky_ (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.38.42 Quit [zmaj] (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.38.42 Quit CoCoLUS (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.38.42 Quit Slasheri (brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.41.32 NHeal brown.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.41.32 NJoin Seed [0] (ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 19.41.32 NJoin gromit` [0] (~gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 19.41.32 NJoin Lynx_awy [0] (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 19.41.32 NJoin wacky_ [0] (~wacky@modemcable011.4-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) 19.41.32 NJoin [zmaj] [0] (zmaj@liebt.polnische.putzen.am.telefon.und.das.ist.auch.gut-s0.de) 19.41.32 NJoin Slasheri [0] (miipekk@ihme.org) 19.41.32 NJoin CoCoLUS [0] (~coco@h081217139221.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) 19.41.44 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 19.47.07 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 19.49.52 Join t0mas [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 19.57.01 Part t0mas 19.57.05 Join t0mas [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 19.57.06 # oops 20.14.44 Quit bobTHC ("Smoke Weed Every Day !") 20.20.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@p54BD431E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.26.30 Quit Guest5715154 (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 20.34.53 # 20E for anyone who can figure this code out ;) 20.35.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.36.24 # wow, if i do it, i'll be rich.. our canadian money just doesn't compare 20.36.24 # lol 20.37.48 Part webmind ("byebye") 20.38.26 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@p54BD431E.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.47.07 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-182.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 20.48.12 Join ali1234 [0] (~al@cpc1-bagu1-5-0-cust193.bagu.cable.ntl.com) 20.50.21 # hi all 21.08.32 # helllo 21.13.36 # hi 21.17.17 Join Tangleding [0] (~Tangledin@ARennes-252-1-40-86.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.29.06 Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a217.wi.tds.net) 21.30.33 Quit Tangleding ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 21.32.09 Join TCK- [0] (TCK@81-86-97-109.dsl.pipex.com) 21.32.15 Part ali1234 ("Kopete 0.10 : http://kopete.kde.org") 21.49.20 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.39 Join Moos [0] (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.50.54 # hi all 21.56.00 # it's quite today :) 21.56.42 # hm 21.56.42 # ues 21.56.44 # *yes 21.57.01 # hi t0mas 21.57.12 # hi 21.58.17 # hm... 21.58.23 # Moos? can you say t0mas again? 21.58.48 # what? 21.58.53 # just my name 21.58.56 # testing my new client 21.59.14 # yes i can see your name in list 21.59.21 # no say... 22.00.13 # t0mas :) 22.00.15 # tnx 22.01.35 # what client you use? 22.01.53 # Xchat 22.02.17 # but I misconfigured text events for hilight messages 22.02.29 # (and discovered that when you said "hi t0mas" 22.02.30 # ) 22.02.30 # :( 22.03.00 # a ok 22.03.15 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (a2b0y@82-43-209-7.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.03.24 # me I use mIRC 22.03.36 # <]RowaN[> whoops i dropped my iriver today.. now it only boots into rockbox, wont boot original firmware anymore 22.03.50 # <]RowaN[> so i'll beh appy when mp3 support is achieved heh 22.04.00 # :) 22.04.23 # <]RowaN[> i thought it would be the other way around.. seen as rockbox is the one running from hd 22.05.22 Join t0mas_ [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 22.05.26 Quit t0mas_ (Remote closed the connection) 22.05.29 # woops 22.05.51 # ]RowaN[: tried scandisk on it? 22.06.37 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.45 # try to reflash original version 22.08.23 # erm... that's impossible if that one isn't booting 22.08.50 # <]RowaN[> scandisk says its ok.. just doing a surface scan now.. taking hours 22.08.56 # <]RowaN[> but making progress 22.11.08 # t0mas: true 22.12.13 # mm, might be a stupid question but, what is a surface scan going to do, when the problem is in botting from the flash memory ? 22.12.20 # err booting 22.13.31 # I don't think the problem is booting from flash 22.13.47 # the problem is that the iriver firmware reads alle files while booting 22.13.57 # ahh i c 22.13.59 # so when it can't read some files (disk errors) it won't boot 22.16.29 Join DangerousDan [0] (~Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 22.33.15 # <]RowaN[> wow so i i HADNT have put rockbox on my iriver, it would truley be dead! 22.33.27 # <]RowaN[> gawd bless rockbox =] 22.34.04 # try to remove some files from your player 22.34.33 # <]RowaN[> just waiting for surface scan to complete first, its taken about an hour to do 40% 22.36.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.39.53 Nick Moos is now known as MoosCamaro (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.10.03 Quit t0mas ("good night") 23.20.56 Join t0mas [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 23.20.57 Quit t0mas (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.30.40 # <]RowaN[> well, the scan completed 23.34.04 # and, are you doomed ? :/ 23.34.40 # <]RowaN[> no reported errors 23.35.34 # <]RowaN[> whoops i dropped my iriver today.. now it only boots into rockbox, wont boot original firmware anymore <- sure the iriver is charged? 23.35.35 # hmm.. thas not good 23.35.38 # well, it is 23.35.40 # but it isn't 23.35.41 # <]RowaN[> YAY original firmware booting now! 23.35.50 # lol nice 23.36.13 # <]RowaN[> few im so lucky... time to make a backup of 14gigs mp2s hehe 23.36.14 # ahahahahahaha, just saw this futureshop commerical 23.36.22 # has the huge guy jogging 23.36.33 # and he says "if i had an mp3 player, i'd actually be enjoying this." 23.37.23 # hehe 23.37.30 # what brand is it advertising? 23.37.35 # no brand 23.37.38 # just futureshop 23.37.43 # ah 23.37.45 # dunno what futureshop is 23.37.56 # umm.. canadian/american technology store 23.38.00 # ah 23.38.04 # owned by Best Buy 23.38.06 # <]RowaN[> hmm having a hard time reading some files on the iriver hd 23.38.11 # ]RowaN[ : congratulations 23.38.36 # ]RowaN[: if you can, check and see if your hd is completely plugged in 23.38.50 # <]RowaN[> ive never taken my iriver apart 23.39.08 # <]RowaN[> some mp3s play fine.. some.. cant seem to be read it seems, bugger 23.39.11 # I remember someone else saying they were having hd problems and after taking the hd out and plugging it back in 23.39.14 # it worked properly again 23.39.32 # is the hdd just regular IDE ? 23.39.50 # ]RowaN[: backup and format 23.40.02 # <]RowaN[> format it from windows rite? 23.40.10 # yea 23.40.11 # Fat32 23.40.14 # actually 23.40.20 # the iRiver has a format thing in it now 23.40.23 # yup 23.40.26 # the latest one does 23.40.29 # never used it though 23.40.30 # yea 23.40.30 # has anyone else? 23.40.33 # nope 23.40.54 # no 23.41.14 # the reason they put it, is because winXP/2000 bitch when formatting over 32GB.. so it was impossible to format the 40GB iRivers in Windows 23.41.19 # well.. a new windows anyway 23.41.49 # is it jusat me, or is Microsoft's technology downgrading ? lol. 23.42.00 # my win95 boot disk can format 80GB in fat32 23.42.02 # but winxp can't 23.42.14 # :) 23.42.50 # it's all in the name of user-friendliness i tell you ! 23.42.57 # ... really, it is... 23.50.59 Quit TCK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))