--- Log for 25.05.105 Server: tolkien.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 2 days and 14 hours ago 00.03.05 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 00.06.31 Quit joshn ("Leaving") 00.07.18 Quit Harpy (Connection timed out) 00.15.32 Quit ashridah ("uni") 00.21.31 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.42 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 00.32.13 Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 00.43.48 Join TCK [0] (TCK@81-86-96-142.dsl.pipex.com) 01.01.48 Join Rick [0] (rick@pool-71-108-7-67.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.12.03 Quit Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.13.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.03.37 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.21.01 Quit cYmen ("zzz") 02.39.54 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-174-50-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 03.13.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.16.53 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@p54BD4368.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.29.45 Quit preglow ("ned med fu") 03.35.20 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.35.20 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@p54BD4368.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.52.52 Join Gibbed [0] (rick@pool-71-108-23-179.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.52.54 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 03.53.06 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (rick@pool-71-108-23-179.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 03.53.28 Join bagawk [0] (~Lee@67-42-176-45.eugn.qwest.net) 04.05.34 Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 04.18.31 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 04.21.12 Quit QT (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.13.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.26.02 Quit pabs ("attempting a kernel upgrade, back in a bit (hopefully)") 06.12.15 Quit Aditya ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 07.13.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.16.30 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a240.wi.tds.net) 07.37.09 Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.55.45 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 07.58.29 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 07.58.39 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 07.58.45 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 08.09.14 Nick BTKDaImMaikata is now known as Bager (~Bager@83.222.160.88) 08.20.59 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 08.31.13 # LinusN: Do you have any good ideas how to test the performance of some routines I've written? 08.31.27 # plenty 08.32.12 # please share them :) 08.33.27 # it all depends on the platform and the nature of the routines 08.35.17 # is it rockbox? 08.35.44 # neh 08.35.53 # plain x86 application 08.36.03 # For what I've heard, perhaps gprof is an alternative? 08.37.50 # sure 08.38.13 # or you can just call the same routing X times and use a stopwatch 08.38.17 # routine 08.40.03 # that's what I thought of first 08.40.24 # Although it seems like gprof gives you more information how the CPU time is spent and so forth 08.40.28 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 08.40.39 # yup 08.40.41 # try it 08.40.57 # -g flag for gcc? 08.42.29 # yes 08.42.34 # and for the linker 08.45.02 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-35.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.45.27 # I probably shouldn't test the performance. There will be nothing but dissappointment 08.45.51 # performance of? 08.49.09 # there is also kcachegrind 08.49.19 # dunno whether ti is a good tool or not 08.49.25 # some math routines I'm working on. not related to the rockbox project 08.50.26 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.53.53 # dwihno: you need -pg too 08.55.10 # LinusN: Ah. Didn't get no gmon.out :) 08.55.39 # it's all in the gprof manual, google for gprof 08.57.20 # I just wonder why both -g and -pg are needed 08.58.13 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.58.14 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.58.22 # *tests the code* 08.58.24 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.59.43 # And it didn't break! 08.59.44 # Wee! 09.00.19 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 09.01.28 # 19998001 calls to a single-line routine :/ 09.02.03 # can you say "inline"? :-) 09.03.17 # is an inline faster than #define:ing the routine? 09.03.47 # no 09.04.02 # but it is often easier to code 09.04.17 # and debug, for that matter 09.04.32 # true 09.04.37 # the drawback is that you'll lose the profiling info for that function 09.04.46 # also true 09.09.07 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 09.09.17 # * LinusN walks to the lab 09.12.16 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 09.13.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.17.50 Quit einhirn (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 NSplit tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.17.50 Quit Rick (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit amiconn (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit rasher (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit ferenczy (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit Bagder (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit QT_ (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit courtc (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit Bager (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit silencer_ (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit LinusN (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit rob- (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit lostlogic (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit ashridah (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit StrathAFK (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit I-R-Addict (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit ze (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.17.50 Quit tedboer (tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 09.18.06 Join crashd_ [0] (nobody@badger.ing.me.uk) 09.18.24 Quit Seed (Killed by sagan.freenode.net (Nick collision)) 09.18.27 Join odd_ [0] (mrodd@fangorn.starshadow.com) 09.18.27 Join Seed [0] (ben@l192-117-115-168.broadband.actcom.net.il) 09.18.27 NHeal tolkien.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 09.18.27 NJoin einhirn [0] (Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.18.27 NJoin ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-35.VIC.netspace.net.au) 09.18.27 NJoin LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 09.18.27 NJoin StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a240.wi.tds.net) 09.18.27 NJoin QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 09.18.27 Join Rick [0] (rick@Rick.user) 09.18.27 NJoin amiconn [0] (~jens@p54BD4368.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.18.27 NJoin lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 09.18.27 NJoin rasher [0] (~3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 09.18.27 NJoin courtc [0] (~courtc@adsl-217-6-201.asm.bellsouth.net) 09.18.27 NJoin tedboer [0] (~maarten@mtg62.upf.es) 09.18.27 NJoin ferenczy [0] (~ferenczy@fw.qcm.cz) 09.18.27 NJoin Bager [0] (~Bager@83.222.160.88) 09.18.27 NJoin Bagder [0] (~daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 09.18.27 NJoin silencer_ [0] (~silencer@zen.via.ecp.fr) 09.18.27 NJoin I-R-Addict [0] (~god@maya.freeinformationsociety.org) 09.18.27 NJoin rob- [0] (~robbie@haylott.plus.com) 09.18.27 NJoin ze [0] (ze@ca-dstreet-cuda2-c9a-73.snbrca.adelphia.net) 09.18.48 Quit odd (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.19.36 Quit crashd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.20.25 Ctcp Version from freenode-connect!freenode@connect.utility.freenode 09.22.35 Join B4gder [0] (~d559bcbf@labb.contactor.se) 09.22.56 # morning 09.23.34 # morning :) 09.24.28 Join Zagor [0] (foobar@h63n1fls31o265.telia.com) 09.31.55 # hi Z 09.32.28 Join Harpy [0] (FIc2EjGCTG@dsl-hkigw7wbb.dial.inet.fi) 09.33.27 # coffee time 09.39.13 Join Zagor_ [0] (foobar@h63n1fls31o265.telia.com) 09.40.09 # How many bits is a number with a length of 20 000 digits? 09.41.24 # 2^14 is 16384 possibilities 2^15 is 32768 09.41.35 # so 15 i guess 09.41.45 # er no 09.41.49 # nevermind, that many digits 09.41.50 # hell i dunno :p 09.41.59 Quit Zagor (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 09.46.44 Join bobTHC [0] (~foo@l06v-8-2.d1.club-internet.fr) 09.47.02 # mornin' folks ! 09.51.45 # mornin 09.54.11 # dwihno where did you find such enormous number ? 09.54.22 # and what's the base of this number 09.58.29 # base 10 09.58.42 # Bager: Just toying around with some stuff 10.01.47 # that'd be what 10^19999 i guess? 10.02.08 # sure not 10.02.25 # for 20000 digits? 10.02.53 # i'm not that good at math 10.03.05 # and the biggest calculating in perl'll give me in actual digits is 10^14 which has 15 digits 10.03.08 # 1E+20000 10.03.21 # isn't that the same thing? 10.03.45 # or well no i guess thats 10^20000 10.04.03 # that doesn't give 20001 digits? heh 10.04.10 # use bc 10.04.16 # obase=2 10.04.19 # 10^20000 10.04.21 # blam 10.04.27 # :-) 10.04.39 # count the bits 10.05.09 # * ze waits 10.07.00 # * LinusN dances a little "the-damn-ST10F168-emulator-is-working" dance 10.07.18 # ah, that's a fine dance 10.07.18 # :) 10.07.21 # the damn what who where? 10.07.32 # work related 10.07.34 Nick Zagor_ is now known as Zagor (foobar@h63n1fls31o265.telia.com) 10.07.49 # st10f168 is a cpu we're using at work 10.08.08 # and the damn lauterbach emulator refused to work 10.08.31 # i love lauterbach emulators, but this one wasn't nice to me 10.08.48 # dwihno a little above 3 bits for one power of 10 ... 10.10.30 # LinusN congrats 10.14.24 # oo , big move in scandinavian telco : "Telenor Acquires Bredbandsbolaget and Cybercity" 10.14.52 # i have one question regarding USB 1.1 Host funct of iRiver H3x0 series ... i think that it gives us the opportunity of supporting other devices besides UMS ... such as input (keyboard), bluetooth, ... P2P protocol (canon cameras)... 10.15.05 # dwihno: just use the BigInteger class in java to work it out. garunteed precision :) 10.15.25 # ashridah: C and java aren't that good friends ;) 10.15.26 # Bager: i believe it is only to connect usb storage devices 10.15.28 # Bagder: actually, i'm betting it doesn't. 10:1 it's a feature of the usb chipset in the device :) 10.15.55 # ashridah what do you mean ? 10.16.26 # afaik the chip is generic USB 1.1 Host ... 10.16.33 # Bagder: ie, the usb-host side of it is probably a feature of the usb chipset the device has, not a software component 10.16.55 # ashridah, I don't think so 10.17.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Philips_ISP1362_Single_chip_USB_ 10.18.45 # in fact, even iriver are promissing possible support of more devices through future firmware upgrades 10.19.14 # aah. fair enough. would have assumed they cheaped out. could explain why the speed of it sucks tho :) 10.20.16 # from the datasheet 10.20.17 # The ISP1362 is a single-chip Universal Serial Bus (USB) On-The-Go (OTG) controller 10.20.17 # integrated with the advanced Philips Slave Host Controller (PSHC) and the Philips 10.20.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK Bager 10.20.17 # ISP1181B Device Controller (DC). The USB OTG controller is compliant with 10.20.17 # On-The-Go Supplement to the USB 2.0 Specification Rev. 1.0a. The host and device 10.20.17 *** Alert Mode level 1 10.20.17 # controllers are compliant with Universal Serial Bus Specification Rev. 2.0, supporting 10.20.19 # data transfer at full-speed (12 Mbit/s) and low-speed (1.5 Mbit/s). 10.20.51 # Bager: that said, i suggest someone a) getting music working, plus others on the H1xx then b) works on porting rockbox to the 3xx before c) doing crazy things with usb-on-the-go :) 10.21.04 # playable music will probably attrack people skilled in usb type things. 10.21.13 # ashridah yeah 10.21.18 # you're right 10.22.17 # dwihno: i think its about 66436 bits 10.22.30 # ze: sounds reasonable 10.24.18 # so do i 10.25.20 # that'll get you to 20000 digits but not through every number that has 20000 digits 10.25.20 # heh 10.26.25 # so you need ~ 3 bits more 10.26.34 # 66439 10.28.17 Join pabs [0] (~pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 10.28.21 # echo "2^66439" | bc | awk '{ len =length($0)-1; } END { print len}' 10.28.27 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-174-50-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 10.28.37 Join edx [0] (edx@p3EE0E7ED.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.28.37 # ... 20000 10.28.54 # 2^66440 10.30.18 *** Alert Mode OFF 10.30.32 # B4gder: that gives me 8 ... heh 10.30.43 # 8? 10.30.53 # hehe 10.31.04 # you must not have the same tools I do ;-) 10.31.04 # 8 here too :) 10.31.17 # you've tampered with your tools! ;) 10.31.18 # > echo "2^66439" | bc | tr -d '\\' | tr -d '\n' | wc -c 10.31.19 # 20001 10.31.44 # ;) 10.31.52 # and also: 10.31.53 # if (2^66438>=10^20000-1) 1 else 0; 10.31.53 # 0 10.31.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK ze 10.31.53 # if (2^66439>=10^20000-1) 1 else 0; 10.31.53 # 1 10.32.25 # that is good bc magic 10.32.35 # i didn't know bc had if statements till i tried it figuring this out 10.32.45 # bc simply rocks 10.34.06 # yeah it seems to 10.34.10 # i oughtta use it more often heh 10.37.44 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) 10.41.41 Quit tedboer (Client Quit) 10.49.55 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 10.52.52 # yeah, bc is actually a good scriptable arbitrary precision calculator 10.55.15 # you've tampered with your tools! ;) 10.55.19 # wups 11.02.51 # mrf 11.04.57 # yuck 11.05.02 # I no longer like qt 11.14.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.46 # B4gder: what changed your mind? 11.15.56 # their ugly "C extensions" 11.16.14 # cplusplus (can't type plus with the cgi client) 11.16.55 # so I need to process the source file with a special qt-compiler first, then compile 11.17.16 # heh, yeah 11.31.02 # fun 11.31.04 # i never liked qt :p 11.33.31 # mm. i've never really liked working with QT either. wxwindows irritates me a bit too. too much macro magic 11.36.54 # ah well, nothing is worse than the windows api 11.37.33 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 11 minutes and 36 seconds at the last flood 11.37.33 # * HCl shivers at SendMessage() 11.37.41 # I prefer to avoid gui programming all together 11.37.46 # :P 11.38.08 # HCl: So what GUI toolkit do you prefer? 11.38.08 # when i code for windows, i usually use borland's c++ builder 11.38.26 # i've never really coded anything graphical for linux 11.39.12 # lunch time 11.44.41 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 11.45.16 # HCl: But using borlands builder, you need to use win32 api as well? 11.45.26 # no. 11.45.31 # borland made their own api 11.45.33 # on top of the windows one 11.45.40 # you don't have to deal with the actual windows api that way :) 11.49.57 # HCl: Sounds fishy 11.53.27 # Imho the win32 api is easier to use than x11 11.55.38 # :) 11.55.59 # troll inside ? 11.56.52 # amiconn: a dirty stick is easier to use as an api to a windowing environment than x11 11.57.21 # dwihno: they've done it a few times actually. most recent was the one they used for kylix, which everyone ignored 11.58.02 # ashridah: cool! 11.58.33 # ashridah: Never touched kylix 12.02.53 # it wasn't that great. 12.03.03 # delphi was dying at the time anyway 12.03.39 # delphi is still around :) 12.03.51 # and kylix was a completely new api, so it faced the same battles apple's new api did when they released osX. except instead of being dragged kicking and screaming, people just said "eh" and ignored it 12.15.08 # which is a pity, since it was supposedly cross platform 12.16.38 Join webguest17 [0] (~54e68f7e@labb.contactor.se) 12.17.10 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-174-50-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 12.17.22 # any news on the iriver? 12.17.44 # slow and steady wins the race 12.17.56 Join mrelwood [0] (~54e68f7e@labb.contactor.se) 12.18.32 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.18.44 # i bet there are a lot of eager people waiting for the iriver to happen. 12.22.05 # like me 12.22.09 Join webguest44 [0] (~5343127c@labb.contactor.se) 12.22.29 Quit webguest44 (Client Quit) 12.22.36 # well, i mostly want mp3 playback to work 12.22.42 # so i can continue on runtimedb and searchengine 12.22.47 # but first, lunch. 12.28.56 Quit mrelwood ("CGI:IRC") 12.29.05 Quit webguest17 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.35.52 Join asdsd____ [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-31-235.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 12.37.19 # the h300 lcd remote has a blue backlight 12.37.45 # i liked the white backlight of the h100 remote much better 12.38.44 Part asdsd____ 12.39.07 # LinusN i haven't seen h100's remote, but i don't think that the blue backlight of H3x0's is bad ... 12.39.25 # LinusN: I thought the h300 remote doesn't have an lcd, and that you could use the h100 lcd remote on a h300 too? 12.39.26 # not bad, just worse :-) 12.39.39 # amiconn there is, as an accessory 12.39.56 # but it's difficult to obtain one 12.40.03 # amiconn: the h300 comes with a lcd-less remote, but you can (in korea) buy a separate lcd remote for the h300 12.40.33 # and the h100 remote works on the h300, and vice versa 12.40.57 # i got mine from misticjeff 12.41.09 # i got mine from korea :) 12.41.22 # i don't have the lcd-less remote though 12.41.43 # LinusN where did you buy your H3x0 from ? 12.41.53 # is it new 12.42.01 # a guy from misticriver 12.42.11 # broken hard drive 12.42.14 # working unit ? 12.42.20 # yes it works 12.42.41 # um... 12.42.46 # (and currently the hard drive too, but i don't trust it) 12.42.48 # i think my h140 remote has a blue backlight? 12.43.05 # it's blueish white 12.43.15 # but the h300 remote is a lot more blue 12.43.35 # o.o 12.43.37 # hm. 12.43.39 # that's cosmetic defect ;) 12.43.43 # h140 already looks pretty blue to me 12.43.45 # but okay 12.44.49 # LinusN how did you repair the HDD ? 12.44.54 # i didn't 12.44.56 # you should take a comparison photo! 12.45.15 # Bagder: but i have a few spare hd's 12.45.27 # B4gder: yes 12.46.42 # Bager, Bagder, B4gder ... my nick completion has a hard time :-) 12.46.48 # :) 12.47.31 # i asked Bagder whether he has any objections about my nick, but he didn't say anything 12.48.12 # we should all use nicks matching B*er 12.48.20 # hahaha 12.49.26 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@ipa222.6.tellas.gr) 12.49.53 # so i'm in a step before most of people here 12.52.25 # sweet 12.52.29 # i got my iriver battery replacement 12.52.40 Join textchimp [0] (~chimp@ip67.net66.ipnetworks.net.au) 12.52.51 # HCl IONITY ? 12.53.09 # li-poly 12.53.17 # 2200mah 12.55.46 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 12.56.36 # Ionity is brand 12.56.41 # but it's 2000mAh 12.56.44 # oh, no idea 12.56.57 # it doesn't say 12.57.07 # model: up325385a4 12.57.09 # their batteries are very famous 12.57.11 # h 12.57.15 # in misticriver 13.00.36 Join redwood [0] (~PenovichJ@peter.rfa.org) 13.02.47 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-174-50-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 13.03.51 # LinusN: Interested in a ihp-100? A Dane has one for sale for 1400 dkk 13.07.01 # interesting 13.08.20 # i wonder if H100 and H115 are the same hardware 13.09.06 # would be convenient 13.09.36 # it may have been sold by now though 13.09.39 # there's an h115 for sale on ebay 13.09.51 # afaik there is also h110 ? or i'm wrong 13.10.51 # can't find it 13.11.47 # h100 is 10gb right? 13.12.57 # think so 13.13.09 # At least that's what this person says 13.13.09 # iHP-140=40Gb 13.13.12 # iHP-120=20Gb 13.13.12 # iHP-110=15Gb 13.13.12 # iHP-100=10Gb 13.13.46 # would make sense if 100 and 110 were the same I guess 13.13.50 # and afaik iHP-100 == H-100, iHP-110 == H-115 13.14.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.14.03 # oki 13.14.07 # erm, iHP-100 == H-110 13.14.30 # anyone put an 80gb hdd in yet? 13.14.34 # thats ... stupid... 13.14.42 # DMJC: do they exist? 13.14.44 # 1.8" ? 13.14.56 # yes 13.14.59 # they are planned, but not produced yet, afaik 13.15.00 # dual platter 13.15.08 # so 140's should be able to handle them 13.15.47 # hmm I can see 60 gb 1.8 13.15.54 # I've heard that 80 was out 13.16.37 # even 60GB's cannot be found easy 13.16.42 # and are very expensive 13.17.37 # from iriver.com 13.17.37 # 10GB : H110 13.17.37 # 15GB : H115 13.17.37 # 20GB : H120 13.17.37 # 40GB : H140 13.18.30 # * LinusN wants to buy a tascam 234 on ebay, but they ship to usa only :-( 13.18.35 # apparently the ihp names were different 13.18.44 # and it weighs a ton 13.18.50 # definitely 13.19.22 # ihp-140 = 40gb model 13.22.32 # LinusN: some people can be made to ship to europe if you just mail and ask 13.22.45 # in any case, they seldom kill you for asking 13.28.50 # preglow: it weighs 10kg :-) 13.28.50 Quit textchimp (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.30.19 # hey, rent a container and have it shipped to xmas! ;-) 13.31.18 Quit lostlogic ("Going to the moon") 13.34.14 # LinusN: haha 13.35.17 # TASCAM 234 Syncaset 13.35.20 # ? 13.35.38 # 8 track cassette recorder? 13.35.48 # no, 4 track 13.36.00 # damn, i haven't touched tapes for at least 10 years 13.36.16 # 4-track rackmountable cassette recorder/reproducer with dbx and 3 3/4 IPS tape speed. 13.36.27 # wow 13.36.38 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 13.37.31 # $180 for UPS delivery :-) 13.38.10 # what's unit's price ? 13.38.43 # LinusN - I had a 234 many years ago, great machine, but I'm curious as to why you're buying such old technology? 13.39.16 # redwood: i have lots of old 234 recordings that i want to rescue 13.39.26 # i fifgured something like that! 13.39.32 # me too 13.39.34 # lol 13.40.16 # make sure you get the model with the right speed they made them in std spoeed and double 13.40.36 # really? 13.40.39 # yup 13.40.41 # i didn't know 13.41.15 # most I've seen run @ double, but I've seen at least 2 that were standard 13.42.32 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 13.43.56 # 3 234's on ebay right now, all in usa 13.44.49 # quite a few for sale in classifieds as well, but they probably won't want to ship internationally 13.45.00 # guess not 13.46.09 # if you know anyone who still duplicates cassettes you might be able to use the master deck to dump your masters down - the Kaba machines run @ 3-3/4 ips and have 4 outputs 13.46.24 # that's what I ended up doing 13.46.52 # problem is i used dbx compression 13.46.56 # ahh 13.47.10 # must get the exact beast then 13.48.00 # yup 13.49.54 # hm. 13.52.54 # * HCl switches the polarity of his new battery 13.53.08 # * HCl waits for markun to arrive with his screwdriver that can open the iriver 14.02.23 # * B4gder fights the qt demons 14.06.39 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.16.32 # HCl: why are you replacing the battery? longer life? or dead existing battery? 14.20.41 Join b0bTHC [0] (~foo@l06v-8-2.d1.club-internet.fr) 14.25.04 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 14.28.03 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-174-50-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 14.31.53 Nick b0bTHC is now known as bobTHC (~foo@l06v-8-2.d1.club-internet.fr) 14.40.42 # ashridah: longer life 14.40.48 # my iriver had quite a surgery 14.40.52 # but we put the new battery in :) 14.41.45 # what're you going to do with the old one? 14.42.06 # um 14.42.10 # i dunno 14.42.26 # keep it around if the other explodes? 14.42.34 # i ended up destroying the old one's connector 14.42.36 # while removing it 14.42.43 # so it just has two wires now 14.43.02 # the charger socket is right behind the plug 14.43.13 # and it makes it really hard to get the plug out or in 14.43.17 # you realise, of course, that lithium is highly unstable.... >:) 14.43.21 # :P 14.46.06 # ashridah 14.46.34 # the iriver h1x0 and h3x0 are Li-Pol, not just Li-Ion 14.46.52 # Li-Pol are far more stable than Li-Ion 14.47.46 # http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showpost.php?p=214673&postcount=69 <= these guys don't stop to astonish me 14.49.19 # ashridah: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_polymer_cell 14.53.15 # Bagder: they can still go boom. 14.53.30 # of course 14.55.46 # http://www.thunderpower-batteries.com/images/THPSafetyWarnings.pdf 14.57.01 # time to go 14.57.03 Part LinusN 15.03.30 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@ipa159.0.tellas.gr) 15.14.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.19.34 Quit StrathAFK ("Client closed") 15.19.40 # cvs has for some reason decided that my copy of imdct_mf5249.S is "in the way" 15.23.34 # rename it, cvs update, rename it back 15.24.29 # preglow any progress ? :) 15.25.32 # Bager: no, not really, quite the oposite, actually, i'm taking out an optimization that isn't fast enough 15.26.32 # do you already know why it's slower than first version? i suppose that you don't ... 15.26.44 # if i knew that, it wouldn't be slower anymore, heh 15.26.49 # i have no time to look at it 15.26.57 # linus said he might, so i'm stuffing it in the patch tracker 15.27.53 # B4gder: why does cvs sometimes do that, though? 15.29.28 # right, the id string was broken 15.29.35 # that's it, probably 15.34.19 Join Nibbler [0] (~sven@port-212-202-79-250.dynamic.qsc.de) 15.52.47 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.53.09 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 15.53.23 Join Aditya [0] (~Aditya@69.140.96.191) 16.04.48 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.11.45 # would anyone mind if i added a new category 'codecs' to the patch tracker? 16.16.45 # go ahead 16.46.02 Quit B4gder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.14.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.16.40 Join thegeek [0] (na@ti521110a080-10469.bb.online.no) 17.23.01 Quit I-R-Addict (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.55 Join MoosCamaro [0] (MoosCamaro@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 17.57.23 Part redwood 17.57.43 Quit DMJC (Remote closed the connection) 18.00.02 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 18.07.20 # woot, my iriver is done charging my new battery 18.07.59 # hi HCl, congratulations 18.08.12 # thanks :p 18.08.24 # it was mostly cause markun was ordering a new battery that i did too. 18.08.36 # 1900mA? 18.08.40 # 2200 18.08.45 # ohhh 18.10.40 # where did you buy it? 18.11.20 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@resnet-241-86.resnet.umbc.edu) 18.11.25 # ebay 18.11.50 # its originally an ipod battery 18.11.57 # but if you switch the polarity, it runs fine in iriver 18.12.07 # good news 18.12.18 # it only cost me 13 euro too 18.12.36 # hihi :) good price 18.12.45 # very good 18.14.50 # it *just* fits into my h140 18.16.12 # is there a list of the Rockbox capable devices that are currently in production? I love my FMR, but I'm a little worried about its remaining life 18.16.38 # Plugh_: there aren't any 18.16.52 # ok, that's what I thought. :) 18.16.54 # Rockbox capable devices currently in production 18.17.45 # The closest is the iRiver h1x0s, which are not in production, but fairly new 18.18.09 # you can probably count on h3x0 getting rockbox some day 18.18.42 # I wish my FMR could last forever 18.18.57 # cryogenics 18.19.10 # needs to be usable 18.19.24 # i wish mp3 playback would work with rockbox on iriver :? 18.19.25 # :/ 18.19.38 # it's not designed to run that cold. ;) 18.20.03 # But seriously, an iRiver is probably your best bet.. h1x0 will get support first, but h3x0 support probably won't be too long after 18.20.14 # mhm 18.20.24 # * HCl keeps playing with his old iriver battery.. 18.26.56 Join DMJC [0] (~James@220-245-174-50-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 18.27.12 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.28.25 # Plugh: If you want just music check the H140 it's the best, if you want movies check the H340 18.31.53 # iriver is only ogg capable now, right? 18.32.50 # iRiver doesn't play anything with Rockbox yet 18.32.54 # ah 18.33.00 # yes it does... it can play a single WAV! 18.33.01 # :p 18.33.11 # ok thanks for clearing that up 18.33.18 # The original firmware isn't *that* bad anyway 18.33.27 # Yeah, it just has slight quirks 18.33.41 # I've only been in touch with current rockbox dev through the checkins list 18.33.45 # It's not as bad as the Archos firmware was, I hear 18.33.59 # so I don't really know what's in the works as much as what's done 18.34.41 # the wiki holds a pretty good status report: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort 18.35.09 # in short, the hardware's pretty much taken care of, software sound-decoding is not 18.40.36 # I'm not gonna invest in new hardware till 1) FMR dies or 2) full support to replace the FMR is available 18.41.04 # which, in my case, means mp3 playback 18.44.13 # 320 kbps is 240% realtime \o/ 18.45.04 # w00t?! 18.45.30 # preglow: libmad does handle mp2, correct? 18.45.42 # amiconn: it handles layers1 through 3 18.46.07 # Okay. Did you test mp2 decoding speed? Should be higher than mp3, even at 384 kpbs 18.46.22 # i'm doing it as we speak 18.46.43 # Is it possible to enable/ disable support for each layer separately? 18.46.49 # sure 18.47.07 # it's slower than layer3, it seems 18.47.17 # preglow: did you solve the mystery? 18.47.29 # rasher: no, it's in the patch tracker for anyone who wants to try solving it 18.47.32 # I think we could disable layer1 then, in case we need to save space. 18.47.39 # amiconn: not much space to be saved 18.48.03 # amiconn: especially since layer2 depends on layer1, and layer3 depends on layer2, etc 18.48.10 # Ah, just thought those numbers were lower last I heard 18.48.25 # rasher: i ripped out my last "enhancement" 18.49.44 # we should start putting it together :/ 18.51.47 # preglow: All software decoders I've read about so far state that layer1 is slower to decode than layer2, in spite of its lower complexity 18.51.59 # amiconn: probably because of the higher bitrate? 18.52.05 # but i wonder why layer2 is so slow 18.52.14 Join TCK- [0] (TCK@81-86-208-197.dsl.pipex.com) 18.52.54 # preglow: something that's not optimized yet? 18.54.35 # preglow: Even at the same bitrate 18.54.52 # amiconn: but yeah, 192 kbps layer 2 is about just as fast as 320 kbps layer 3, which is really strange 18.55.12 # then again, i haven't touchet layer12.c at all 18.55.18 # Apart from that, different bitrate doesn't influence decoding speed that much, at least with layer3 18.55.59 # Maybe libmad is different, but with that asm 68K decoder, 320 kbps is ~20% slower than 160 kbps 18.56.01 # 112kbps runs at 300% realtime here, 320 at 240% 18.56.14 # the synthesis is the same, regardless of bitrate 18.56.47 # i don't get the measurements 18.56.56 # the realtime% is steadily increasing for some files 18.57.07 # and jumps permanently to a semi-stable value for others 18.58.01 # A ihp-100 is heading my way 18.58.34 # and then to sweden 19.00.06 Quit DMJC (Remote closed the connection) 19.00.07 # preglow: Again with the asm 68K decoder, layer2 is around twice as fast as layer3 19.00.20 Quit TCK (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.01.11 # By the way, is the harddisk not available when show_logo() is called during boot? 19.01.33 # yup 19.01.52 # Look at main.c 19.01.53 # What's that, it is, or it isn't? 19.02.03 # It is not 19.02.08 # I did.. couldn't quite make sense of it 19.02.13 # Ah, that makes sense then. 19.02.25 # amiconn: well, i certainly don't know why it's so slow here, might be a cache issue 19.02.39 # (I made it try to open a bitmap using read_bitmap_file) 19.02.48 # to appease the modders 19.02.51 # That can't work 19.03.02 # it works when showing version though :) 19.03.05 # amiconn: imdct, which is the only big difference from layer 2 to 3, should bog layer 3 down significantly when compared to layer 2 19.03.59 # rasher: line 153 - show_logo(), line 203 - ata_init(), line 234 - disk_mount_all() 19.04.23 # Aha.. guess I didn't look close enough 19.04.44 # Also explains why it worked in the sim 19.05.48 Join webguest92 [0] (~5156fee2@labb.contactor.se) 19.05.55 Nick webguest92 is now known as johhny (~5156fee2@labb.contactor.se) 19.06.17 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59) 19.06.53 # evening 19.09.40 # I guess changing the boot logo easily is just a bit noooo 19.09.40 Quit johhny (Client Quit) 19.10.24 # "easily" meaning "without modifying executable files with third party programs" 19.11.09 # The buildlog parser really should be better at catching errors 19.11.19 # gmini 120 has been red for ages now 19.11.24 # or should've been 19.14.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.40.03 # We have an iRiver ihp-100 \o/ 19.44.55 # now to get it offloaded to linus 19.44.55 # ? 19.44.55 # there's an h100? 19.45.08 # Yup, 10gb 19.45.16 # using slightly different hardware 19.45.20 # hence the need to own one 19.46.01 # interesting 19.46.14 # i'm guessing it's been discontuined for awhile? 19.46.48 # Yup 19.47.27 # even longer than the 20/40 models I bet 19.47.33 # yeah 19.47.39 # I mean... I never knew it existed :p 19.50.24 # Rick: It's an iHP-100, new name is H-110 19.51.06 # Hardware should be similar to H-120/140, only difference apart from disk size should be the ram size (16 MB only) 19.54.01 # ahh 19.54.51 # should being the operative word here 19.55.05 # guess now we'll know for (more) sure 19.56.52 # this is in so good condition o.O 19.58.59 # what's wrong with it? 19.59.17 # Nothing. Nothing at all. 19.59.21 # Not a scratch. 19.59.44 # He did say he's had it repaired, but this is just mad 19.59.50 # haha 19.59.55 # mine look worse than this after a couple of days 19.59.59 # you bought it or what? 20.00.12 # I did for Linus 20.00.37 # the leather-case is sortof cool 20.00.57 # it has a flap that goes down over the screen 20.01.08 # can't see the screen, but I bet it's a lot better protected 20.02.08 # hm 20.02.11 # It's silver, not champagne.. and the remote is dark grey 20.02.16 # other than that, it looks like a h120 20.02.16 # the h100 is the one with that weird button thing right? 20.02.24 # er, h110 20.02.52 # ihp-100 = h110 20.03.08 # weird button thing? 20.03.13 # note I said h100, not ihp-100 :D 20.03.32 # oh wait, i'm thinking of the h10s or whatever 20.03.54 # You should stop that. 20.04.05 # ;( 20.05.34 # ihp was before the Hewlet Packard process now h1xx 20.10.13 # I never understood that thing 20.10.22 # how can't you? 20.10.23 # iHP 20.10.35 # couple that with the fact that big corporations are assholes 20.11.08 # wait 20.11.17 # Hewlet Packard was the reason for the iHP -> H change? 20.11.18 # haha 20.11.36 # so they say 20.11.51 # I always wondered why they changed it 20.12.07 # confusion hp initials 20.12.29 # It's all so silly 20.13.04 # i agree 20.13.11 # :) 20.13.19 # did they even update the packaging/labels? 20.13.27 # My h120 has ihp-120 on it 20.13.28 # hehe 20.13.34 # (Got it before they changed it) 20.13.47 # me too 20.14.28 # it's one of cause why iriver stop production 20.14.50 # *causes 20.15.19 # I find that hard to believe 20.16.58 Quit Stryke` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.17.11 # hewlet packard harcelment plus market causes 20.19.15 # Changing the ihp-120 to be h120 is so minor that I doubt it played any real role 20.19.39 # My idea is that they finished designing the h10 etc. players, and want to sell those instead 20.19.59 # it's true 20.20.18 # but ihp/hp created a bit of confusion 20.21.32 # I'd think that it was just iRiver trying to shift the blame. "It's all HP's fault! We *wanted* to continue producing these. Honest!" 20.22.07 # haha 20.22.16 # microsoft+iriver project for h10 was a big publicity show 20.22.23 # er 20.22.27 # microsoft got in with iriver? 20.22.42 # h10 project 20.22.50 # ? 20.23.21 # the H10 is a colaboration of iriver and microsoft 20.23.28 # h10 does the "PlaysForSure" thing and thus is a wet-dream of Bill's 20.23.36 # i see 20.23.48 # * Rick has never heard of PlaysForSure 20.25.39 # Some wma deal.. I'm not really sure what it involves 20.25.52 # Signing over your firstborn, no doubt 20.29.16 # hehe 20.45.13 Join TCK [0] (TCK@81-86-209-155.dsl.pipex.com) 20.53.47 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@ipa159.0.tellas.gr) 21.03.49 Quit TCK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.04.04 Join TCK- [0] (TCK@81-86-208-126.dsl.pipex.com) 21.14.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.22.29 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.32.05 # yes, and no doubt the sacrificing of furry animals 21.39.10 Part MoosCamaro 21.44.05 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-182.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 21.46.17 Join asdsd____ [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-31-235.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 21.46.29 Part asdsd____ 21.47.41 Join Strath [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a216.wi.tds.net) 21.50.22 Quit TCK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.16 Join MSR75GMP3 [0] (~51392d3f@labb.contactor.se) 22.07.40 # Hey evryone 22.09.26 # Does anyone know if there will be a Rockbox firmware oon Archos Gmini 400? 22.10.48 Quit MSR75GMP3 (Client Quit) 22.10.51 Join MSR75GMP3 [0] (~51392d3f@labb.contactor.se) 22.12.24 # porting to gmini has begun, but is at a standstill 22.12.32 # unfortunately, gmini 400 isn't covered by them anyway 22.12.41 # only the lesser models 22.12.53 Join thegeek_ [0] (na@ti521110a080-10469.bb.online.no) 22.13.25 # well do you know if they will do one or not? 22.15.31 # don't know 22.15.41 # but if they will, it's not going to be ready for a long, long time 22.17.04 # damn, i'd love OGG on my gmini 22.21.33 Quit MSR75GMP3 ("CGI:IRC") 22.30.47 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.05.05 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 23.09.57 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-182.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 23.14.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.21.10 Join webguest68 [0] (~5087f7a6@labb.contactor.se) 23.21.59 # Hi Guys 23.22.31 # hi ho 23.22.56 # am I right in stating that the dc power tolerances for the H140 are 4.5v ~ 6.5v ? 23.23.11 # uh, I don't know 23.23.33 # i wouldn't stray too far from 5 volts, were i you 23.23.55 # I did look it up it TI pdf spec's but just want to be totally sure 23.24.13 # thanks preglow 23.24.15 # well, i've never seen it mentioned anywhere 23.27.14 # i dont know how to program, but I sure aprreciate what you guys are doing, thanks 23.27.33 # don't need to be a programmer to appreciate things ;) 23.28.30 # I follow the chat frequntly, and the wit/sarcasm/humor is quite entertaining :) 23.29.33 # haha, wit/sarcasm/humor often is entertaining ;) 23.32.28 # I'm no dev. I just have some good ideas 23.32.37 # though I do have a few lines of code in the project 23.33.00 # I'm just not credited with them ;) 23.36.54 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-122-127.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.40.58 # Do you have any theroies s to the karma's HDD sticking problem 23.41.20 # ? 23.42.24 # webguest68: same reason a perfectly fine fan doesn't start turning? it's got a dead-spot someplace where the force of the magnets surrounding it isn't strong enough to start it moving over its own friction :) 23.42.33 # probably a poor theory tho 23.42.40 # but much older hard drives have had similar issues 23.43.13 # the old IBM 10 and 20 megs had a stiction problem 23.43.28 # you used to be able to kickstart them with a drill 23.44.09 # get e free power drill with every Hard drive, cool 23.44.25 # well, i was thinking newer than that. some oldish brands of scsi drives had similar issues 23.44.54 # you could get them going with a slight twist of the hand 23.44.55 # I had sticking problems with a quantum bigfoot several times 23.45.20 # 2.5 GB 5.25" 23.46.22 Quit Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.46.26 # interesting that it was IBM /Hitachi that had predominatly had these problems 23.47.24 # maybe they lacked the sticking-preventing patents 23.49.10 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 23.51.25 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 23.51.55 Quit Harpy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.54.47 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (HydraIRC@134.95.189.59)