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00.16.38 #       <Hansmaulwurf> hi
00.16.40 #       <Hansmaulwurf> someone here?
00.16.42 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i need help
00.16.44 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i installed rockbox on my ihp120
00.16.46 #       <Hansmaulwurf> worked fine for 3 days
00.16.48 #       <Hansmaulwurf> now i cant start the original firmware
00.17.06 #       <Hansmaulwurf> player says it start the original firmware but nothing happens
00.17.27 #       <Hansmaulwurf> rockbox works but i cant enter the USB mode
00.17.40 #       <Hansmaulwurf> is this a known bug and how can i solve it?
00.17.42 #       <Hansmaulwurf> anyone?
00.22.43 #       <Hansmaulwurf> ok plroblem solved
00.22.47 #       <Hansmaulwurf> battery level was to low
00.23.02 #       <Hansmaulwurf> but how can the battery empty but rockbox still work?
00.23.05 #       <Hansmaulwurf> crazy
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00.25.28 #       <rasher> Rockbox requires less battery than the iRiver firmware to run.
00.30.40 #       <rasher> sometimes I wish people would read the FAQs
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00.48.46 #       <thegeek> how is sound for the iriver going?
00.51.54 #       <thegeek> never mind me;)
00.52.02 #       <thegeek> found the misticriver forum
01.01.08 #       <rasher> Slasheri seems to be making nice progress
01.03.49 #       <thegeek> yeah
01.04.00 #       <thegeek> I'm going to test his patch now
01.04.04 #       <thegeek> http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox_mp3audio.patch the latest?
01.06.01 #       <HCl> nice o.o
01.07.51 #       <rasher> Last-Modified: Thu, 26 May 2005 17:44:21 GMT
01.07.59 #       <rasher> not very recent it seems
01.08.25 #       <thegeek> hum
01.09.46 #       <rasher> it does allow playback from the viewer plugin though
01.11.11 #       <thegeek> mhm
01.14.34 #       <thegeek> bah
01.14.43 #       <thegeek> cyborg devkit is b0rked;)
01.14.50 #       <thegeek> guess I'll just have to setup the env myself;)
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01.35.24 #       <rasher> it's not too bad
01.35.36 #       <rasher> except for the cygwin part - cygwin is annoying
01.36.18 #       <thegeek> that's the part that sucks
01.36.25 #       <thegeek> it b0rks on current cvs
01.36.31 #       <thegeek> and did so before too
01.36.42 #       <rasher> With correct versions of gcc and binutils?
01.36.48 #       <rasher> (ie, 3.4.x and 2.16)
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01.44.05 #       <t0mas> back :)
01.55.08 #       <HCl> wb
02.05.29 #       <thegeek> rasher : It has worked once
02.05.56 #       <thegeek> with cvs I mean
02.06.08 #       <thegeek> perhaps.. 1 1/2 months ago ;)
02.13.09 #       <rasher> thegeek: strange
02.13.25 #       <rasher> thegeek: what goes wrong when you try to build?
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02.34.05 #       <thegeek> for a iriver normal english compile of the entire dir rockbox-devel it b0rks on :
02.34.24 #       <thegeek> firmware/sysfont.o
02.35.56 #       <thegeek> did a fresh cvs co of just the "rockbox" branch
02.35.59 #       <thegeek> same problem
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02.36.17 #       <thegeek> error 127
02.36.22 #       <thegeek> is all I get
02.36.23 #       <thegeek> ;)
02.39.48 #       <rasher> confusing
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03.24.25 #       <preglow> lol?
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06.38.27 #       <DunnA> Hey guys
06.40.02 #       <DunnA> Hey, I have a Jukebox FM Recorder, and I recently re-installed Rockbox 2.4 on it, and now I get this error whenever I boot up:  "Error accessing playlist control file."
06.40.06 #       <DunnA> Any idea what causes that?
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08.49.50 #       <Yokalosh> which series of iriver is rockbox most likely going to be available on?
08.52.53 #       <ashridah> once it starts working on the H1xx, the 3xx probablywon't be too far behind, depending on hardware availability.
08.53.16 #       <ashridah> but i doubt the guys are interested in dealing with the issues surrounding portalplayer
08.53.44 #       <Yokalosh> okay cos i was thinking of getting an iriver but i'm not gunna get one that can't rock!
08.54.49 #       <Yokalosh> it'll support both colour ones and normal ones yeh?
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08.56.18 #       <ashridah> once someone donates some hardware to pull appart and tinker with, probably
08.56.33 #       <Yokalosh> hahaha
08.57.01 #       <Yokalosh> i would if i had the money........
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10.06.09 #       <Yokalosh> once i have made a lang file what do i do to make it a lng file?
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10.08.51 #       <LinusN> Yokalosh: the "documentation" page is a good place to look before asking questions
10.10.43 #       <Yokalosh> sorry :(
10.11.14 #       <LinusN> hint: under the "For developers" section, there is a link called "how to update a language file"
10.13.10 #       <LinusN> Yokalosh: i don't mind answering questions, but it is sometimes a burden to answer questions that we already answered in the docs
10.14.10 #       <Yokalosh> okay, i understand :P
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10.17.33 #       <Yokalosh> i think i'm just being a moron now but i still don't get how you make the lng file :(
10.17.44 #       <Yokalosh> (please don't kill me for being an idiot)
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10.20.06 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.20.34 #       * Yokalosh dies
10.20.37 #       <LinusN> have you installed a development environment?
10.20.44 #       <Yokalosh> ?
10.20.49 #       <Yokalosh> lol, bingo
10.21.00 #       <Yokalosh> erm no
10.21.18 #       <LinusN> you will at least need to install Perl
10.21.26 #       <LinusN> like the docs say
10.21.37 #       <Yokalosh> oh yeh i have perl
10.22.03 #       <LinusN> then you need to download the rockbox source code
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10.22.38 #       <Yokalosh> what the english.lang file?
10.22.57 #       <LinusN> no, the entire source code tar file
10.23.03 #       <Yokalosh> ok
10.23.18 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/daily/source/rockbox-daily-20050529.tar.gz
10.23.42 #       <LinusN> that's the easiest way to get started, since you will need a few perl scripts and lang files
10.24.02 #       <Yokalosh> ok
10.24.22 #       <Yokalosh> got that
10.26.00 #       <Yokalosh> ............
10.31.01 #       <Yokalosh> now............
10.36.15 #       <LinusN> you unpacked the source code?
10.39.30 #       <Yokalosh> yesh
10.40.03 #       <LinusN> good, then you should be able to follow the docs
10.40.42 #       <Yokalosh> okay cool
10.40.46 #       <Yokalosh> thanks
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10.50.14 #       <t0mas> lo
10.51.35 #       <Slasheri> morning
10.52.16 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: I have interesting problem with audiobuffer: if i do cpu_boost(true) from pcm_watermark_callback -function, the system crashes
10.52.39 #       <LinusN> lovely
10.52.54 #       <ashridah> hurray!
10.53.26 #       <Slasheri> maybe it don't want the speed to be changed while dma transfer is running?
10.53.26 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: the explanation is simple
10.53.31 #       <Slasheri> :)
10.54.43 #       <LinusN> hmm, maybe it wasn't so simple after all
10.55.05 #       <Slasheri> :D
10.55.16 #       <LinusN> btw, what is "crashes"?
10.55.32 #       <Slasheri> just a moment, it gave a message..
10.56.33 #       <Slasheri> now waiting it to crash again :)
10.57.35 #       <Slasheri> I04: IllInstr at 10000B84
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10.59.11 #       <Slasheri> But without the cpu_boost being touched in the callback, everything works fine
11.00.31 #       <t0mas> hm... might be a stupid question... but are you calling that cpu_boost from a pointer?
11.00.53 #       <t0mas> (and if yes: have you checked that pointer to be ok?)
11.01.33 #       <Slasheri> no, i am calling it directly (from firmware/pcm_playback.c)
11.02.00 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: looks like you have overwritten some code in iram
11.02.09 #       <LinusN> maybe a stack overflow
11.02.31 #       <Slasheri> ah :) then i have something the check. That might be possible
11.02.35 #       <LinusN> you should decrease the stack size for the main thread
11.02.51 #       <LinusN> since you are running the codec in a separate thread
11.03.03 #       <LinusN> then the main stack doesn't need to be that big
11.03.49 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: you can check the .map file to find out what's on 0x10000b84
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11.18.24 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, I think it worked
11.18.42 #       <Slasheri> it's crashing no more
11.24.57 #       <Slasheri> nope, there still the issue.. hmm, can i place stack to iram like this: static long codec_stack[(DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + 0x500)/sizeof(long)] __attribute__ ((section(".idata")));
11.25.36 #       <Slasheri> this was required because codecs will ran very slow if i didn't place it to iram
11.40.04 #       <Slasheri> Now i take 0x1000 bytes from main thread to codec and testing again
11.41.14 #       <Slasheri> still the same thing :/
11.43.18 #       <Slasheri> | .icode         0x10000b74       0x7c /export/home/miipekk/cvs/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(pcm_playback.o)
11.43.21 #       <Slasheri> |                0x10000b74                DMA0
11.43.30 #       <Slasheri> now it crashed at location 0x10000b8e
11.46.40 #       <LinusN> (sorry, kids needed attention)
11.46.59 #       <Slasheri> np :)
11.47.46 #       <LinusN> looks like you have some iram corruption, possibly the stack
11.48.24 #       <LinusN> i can test it here with my bdm debugger
11.48.58 #       <Slasheri> hmm, would you like to have some code?
11.50.49 #       <LinusN> send me a patch
11.51.41 #       <Slasheri> ok, thanks. you will need one long enough ogg file to trigger the error
11.52.05 #       <LinusN> how long?
11.52.28 #       <Slasheri> maybe 2 to 3 minutes
11.52.39 #       <LinusN> hey, how big is your stack atm?
11.53.25 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, currently the codec stack is 0x1000 (i directly used the beginning of main thread) and os stack info from debug menu show that under 50% is used
11.54.05 #       <LinusN> ok
11.57.02 #       <Slasheri> here it is: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/experimental_snapshot.patch. However, please note that it's very experimental, buggy and the error might be caused anywhere in the code..
11.57.23 #       <LinusN> sure
11.57.27 #       <Slasheri> :)
11.57.39 #       <Slasheri> nobody other should try that patch
11.59.22 #       <Slasheri> and yes, the file buffer is currently set to only 512 kB so it will be filled constantly
11.59.38 #       <LinusN> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `pcm.c', needed by `/home/linus/rockbox-all/iriver/apps/dep-apps'.  Stop.
11.59.46 #       <Slasheri> ah, i forgot to cvs add
11.59.47 #       <Slasheri> sorry
12.00.36 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, but i can't do that. How can i include the file in the diff?
12.01.58 #       <LinusN> just upload that file too
12.03.09 #       <Slasheri> ok :)
12.03.36 #       <Slasheri> http://ihme.org/~miipekk/pcm.c and pcm.h
12.03.49 #       <Slasheri> that should go to apps/
12.04.49 #       <LinusN> pcm.c:87: warning: 'codec_stack' defined but not used
12.04.59 #       <Slasheri> yes, that's ok
12.05.14 #       <Slasheri> i just modified the code to get the codec stack directly from stackbegin
12.05.41 #       <LinusN> from stackbegin?????
12.06.41 #       <Slasheri> hmm, i just tested if it makes any difference if i take some of the stack from main thread. I don't know if that was the right way to do
12.06.55 #       <LinusN> very much wrong
12.06.58 #       <Slasheri> anyway, i added 0x1000 bytes to main thread stack
12.07.02 #       <Slasheri> yes, i think that too :)
12.07.44 #       <LinusN> why not use a separate stack, like all other threads?
12.08.19 #       <Slasheri> but you can enable the commented out codec_stack in pcm.c, remove static long *codec_stack and then at the end of file change stackbegin -> codec_stack
12.08.34 #       <Slasheri> it was that way just a moment before
12.08.53 #       <Slasheri> static long codec_stack[(DEFAULT_STACK_SIZE + 0x500)/sizeof(long)] __attribute__ ((section(".idata")));
12.10.34 #       <LinusN> how long do i have to wait for the bug to happen?
12.11.06 #       <Slasheri> it should happen just in a few seconds, like something 30 - 60
12.11.47 #       <Slasheri> if possible, you should use some low bitrate oggs so it will happen sooner
12.12.11 #       <LinusN> how do i play?
12.12.34 #       <Slasheri> just select the file from file browser (press the joystick once)
12.12.41 #       <LinusN> it starts the vorbis2wav plugin
12.12.49 #       <Slasheri> yes, it should
12.12.59 #       * LinusN is dumb
12.13.05 #       <Slasheri> :D
12.14.42 #       <Slasheri> can you reproduce the problem?
12.14.47 #       <LinusN> works fine so far
12.14.51 #       <Slasheri> hmm :/
12.15.10 #       <LinusN> *bang*
12.15.14 #       <Slasheri> =)
12.15.54 #       <LinusN> DMA0 is overwritten
12.15.59 #       <LinusN> gotta run
12.16.02 #       <LinusN> bbs
12.16.09 #       <Slasheri> ah, okay
12.16.21 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, interesting how is that possible..
12.43.33 #       <HCl> hello
12.43.37 #       <HCl> whats up?
12.55.17 #       <HCl> ah
12.55.17 #       <HCl> o.o
13.06.16 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: calling cpu_boost in an interrupt is still a bad idea, since it may take up to 10ms for the pll to lock
13.06.24 #       <LinusN> gotta run again...
13.07.55 #       <Slasheri> ah, ok. so that might be the reason for the crash?
13.08.23 #       <Slasheri> I will find other way to do it :)
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13.11.04 #       <LinusN> probably not the reason for the crash
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14.32.14 #       <dwihno> i found a bug
14.33.16 #       <dwihno> locked state is cleared at playlist end. the icon remains.
14.34.15 #       <dwihno> anyone got that?
14.34.23 #       <dwihno> :)
14.36.40 #       <dwihno> LinusN: note the bug :)
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15.10.30 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, now basic gapless vorbis playback should work. However, i am not totally sure if it's gapless because i don't have proper oggs to test with
15.11.21 #       <HCl> nice.
15.11.26 #       <HCl> is it stable?
15.11.28 #       <HCl> what was the bug?
15.11.55 #       <Slasheri> currently the cpu_boost bug has not been solved (now it's running always at the highest frequency)
15.12.38 #       <Slasheri> but song switching and buffering seems to work fine
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15.13.16 #       <rasher> patch patch patch
15.13.52 #       <Slasheri> not yet. I have to clean up the code, add basic codec configuration and mp3 support too :)
15.15.31 #       <CoCoLUS> hm... does fast forward skipping work?
15.15.59 #       <CoCoLUS> makes it much easier to test gapless ;)
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15.16.14 #       <Slasheri> nope, it requires more code to make it work :)
15.16.23 #       <muesli-> high
15.19.01 #       <CoCoLUS> then we either need some short test oggs where a gap would be easily recognizable or... a lot of time ;)
15.19.15 #       <preglow> Slasheri: i've got some mixes
15.19.48 #       <preglow> i can make you a test tone you should easily be able to tell if is gapless as well
15.20.34 #       <CoCoLUS> we would need that for mp3 testing as well... in two versions, lame encoded and... not lame
15.20.53 #       <Slasheri> preglow: that would be great, rasher had also something :)
15.21.23 #       <rasher> test tone's probably better
15.21.29 #       <rasher> and quicker
15.21.38 #       <preglow> it'll be short
15.22.25 #       <Slasheri> great :)
15.24.34 #       <preglow> just need to find an encoder
15.26.57 #       <preglow> OUCH
15.27.06 #       <preglow> that's not how you encode a sine, vorbis :/
15.27.16 #       <preglow> oh well, it works fine anyway, there's just a glitch at the start
15.27.34 #       <CoCoLUS> why would ogg be unable to encode a sine wave?
15.28.09 #       <preglow> it's able
15.28.14 #       <preglow> but there's a bad glitch at the start
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15.28.54 #       <rasher> preglow: you may enjoy this: http://steike.com/ScientificAudioCodecShootout
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15.29.48 #       <preglow> i think it was a aotuv bug
15.30.56 #       <CoCoLUS> and aotuv would be... a vorbis encoder, right? :)
15.31.27 #       <crwl> superior codec for vector imagery, hehe
15.32.26 #       <preglow> http://glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/sine_part_one.ogg
15.32.31 #       <preglow> and http://glow.m0f0.net/rockbox/sine_part_two.ogg
15.32.36 #       <preglow> there should be no glitch in the tone
15.32.49 #       <preglow> CoCoLUS: aotuv is a tweaked vorbis encoder
15.32.50 #       <Slasheri> preglow: cool, testing soon :)
15.33.41 #       <preglow> rasher: ahahahah
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15.33.58 #       <CoCoLUS> tweaked to induce bugs, it seems
15.34.33 #       <preglow> hehe
15.34.34 #       <preglow> there was no bug
15.34.36 #       <preglow> just me fucking up
15.34.47 #       <preglow> aoyumi knows what he's doing
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15.46.25 #       <Slasheri> preglow: Hmm, the song switching seems gapless but there was some glitch however. I will test now with rasher's songs too
15.46.56 #       <preglow> render to wav and describe it
15.47.20 #       <Slasheri> hmm, i will that later
15.47.24 #       <Slasheri> +do
15.47.41 #       <preglow> doing that it's much, much simpler to tell what's wrong than listening to it
15.48.07 #       <Slasheri> yep. there might be also one bug in the code, i will check that first
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15.53.51 #       <Slasheri> rasher: i didn't noticed any gap between the songs from you :)
15.54.20 #       <preglow> that's why i sent you a test tone, that's the easiest spot to hear a gap
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16.02.30 #       <rasher> Assuming the test is correct
16.07.47 #       <preglow> the test tone is correct
16.07.47 #       <preglow> ?3~
16.07.49 #       <preglow> ? <-
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16.12.17 #       <Slasheri> now doing a new test. there was some bugs present in the code
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16.21.37 #       <rasher> Slasheri: how did it go?
16.21.53 #       <Slasheri> rasher: still one minor bug delaying the test
16.21.58 #       <rasher> ah
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16.32.31 #       <Slasheri> minor bug found, problem was that in code there was =- and should be -= :D
16.32.40 #       <preglow> ahhaha, nice
16.32.44 #       <ashridah> rofl.
16.32.45 #       <Slasheri> indeed :)
16.34.42 #       <Slasheri> ashridah: aah, now it was 100% gapless switch =)
16.34.49 #       <Slasheri> preglow, sorry
16.34.50 #       <preglow> the test tone as well?
16.34.52 #       <Slasheri> yes
16.34.54 #       <Slasheri> very well
16.34.55 #       <preglow> excellent
16.34.58 #       <preglow> then you're good to go
16.34.59 #       <Slasheri> :)
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16.38.03 #       <preglow> and you do gapless by just shaving the last frame of a song a bit?
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16.40.01 #       <Slasheri> with ogg files no raw pcm data is shaved out
16.40.14 #       <Slasheri> but with mp3s that will be necessary
16.41.12 #       <Slasheri> i already have some ideas how to do that with mp3's
16.41.49 #       <preglow> ahh, then tremor does it for you
16.41.57 #       <Slasheri> yep :)
16.42.07 #       <preglow> how long until we'll see a patch again? :P
16.42.37 #       <Slasheri> maybe a few more days. It would be too soon to release it today because there is still lot to do
16.45.24 #       <Slasheri> now i could do some filebuffer optimizations so the same codecs will not be loaded to file buffer between every song. Only when codec changes, that loading would be necessary
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16.46.37 #       <Slasheri> currently the rockbox will also fully load the ram buffer, no matter even if it's necessary to cut the last song
16.46.40 #       <preglow> codecs should be loaded when you load files into the file buffer
16.46.51 #       <Slasheri> yes, i will do it to work that way
16.47.00 #       <preglow> we'll need to branch out the iram copy in some way
16.47.16 #       <preglow> so we can switch codecs without having to load them from disk
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16.48.34 #       <Slasheri> in my current implementation, all necessary codecs are loaded into filebuffer and when it's necessary to use a codec, it will be loaded to iram from that filebuffer instantly
16.49.04 #       <Slasheri> the switch is gapless because there is audiobuffer also
16.49.23 #       <Slasheri> and that won't limit how many different codecs can be in the buffer at a time
16.51.15 #       <preglow> holy shit, vorbis is good at lower bitrates
16.51.18 #       <preglow> it beats aac to a pulp
16.51.37 #       <Slasheri> :D
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16.52.16 #       <preglow> i've encoded an album with avg bitrate 33kbps, and it sounds wonderful
16.52.28 #       <preglow> i can hear it's encoded, sure, but quality is surprisingly good
16.52.47 #       <ashridah> preglow: yeah, it does better quality at lower rates
16.53.06 #       <ashridah> not quite as good as speex, depending on the job, but good for low-rate streaming
16.53.08 #       <rasher> speaking of aac...
16.53.12 #       <ashridah> (of music)
16.53.26 #       <preglow> of course, but speex only does voice
16.54.06 #       <ashridah> yes
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16.59.51 #       <Shagnar> preglow which encoder did you use? i normally use dbPowerAMP but the lowest bitrate is 48kbit/s ...
17.00.07 #       <preglow> oggdropxp with latest aotuv
17.00.13 #       <preglow> www.rarewares.org
17.00.32 #       <webguest43> thanks Slasheri ! hope to see it released soon !
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17.01.28 #       <Shagnar> thx
17.04.13 #       <ashridah> hahaha
17.04.24 #       <ashridah> drive by appreciation
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17.08.36 #       <preglow> hahaha
17.09.40 #       <preglow> hahaha
17.09.46 #       <preglow> excellent 
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17.18.49 #       * rasher nudges preglow at faad2
17.18.54 #       <Slasheri> playlist seems to work pretty well, only fast forward/backward and wps are missing
17.20.51 #       <preglow> rasher: busybusy
17.20.56 #       <preglow> i've got it planned, though
17.21.06 #       <preglow> if no one gets there ahead of me
17.25.24 #       <rasher> apparently it has some parts fixed-point'ed already
17.25.34 #       <rasher> and arm optimisations
17.25.39 #       <rasher> not that that's much use
17.27.03 #       <preglow> it's all fixed point
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17.29.23 #       <preglow> wooot, new shpongle
17.33.04 #       <tvelocity> shpongle pwnz
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17.35.03 #       <preglow> damn straight, i really wonder what the new album's like
17.35.25 #       <tvelocity> it's pretty nice
17.35.58 #       <preglow> how does it compare to the other two?
17.36.32 #       <tvelocity> i don't think it's as good as their previous
17.36.39 #       <tvelocity> but it's still pretty good
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18.14.59 #       <Shagnar> high :P ^^
18.16.35 #       <muesli-> low Shagnar ^^
18.16.46 #       <Shagnar> lol
18.16.47 #       <Shagnar> blah
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18.38.22 #       <Tomas|laptop> hi
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18.49.04 #       <XavierGr> hello all
18.49.14 #       <t0mas|laptop> hi
18.49.27 #       <XavierGr> I have a problem with Cygwin
18.49.33 #       <XavierGr> I just installed it
18.51.00 #       <XavierGr> in the Rockbox UIsimulator tutorials says that: ../tools/configure will make a make file but my bash shell says 
18.51.19 #       <XavierGr> bash: configure: command not found 
18.51.47 #       <XavierGr> any ideas? I am a noob and I want to learn some more
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18.52.57 #       <t0mas|laptop> yes
18.53.05 #       <t0mas|laptop> where are you?
18.53.13 #       <t0mas|laptop> rockbox/
18.53.17 #       <t0mas|laptop> or rockbox/build
18.53.20 #       <t0mas|laptop> or something like that?
18.53.47 #       <XavierGr> I am currently in a root directory build-dir
18.53.57 #       <t0mas|laptop> ok
18.54.00 #       <t0mas|laptop> go to the rockbox dir
18.54.03 #       <t0mas|laptop> then mkdir build
18.54.05 #       <t0mas|laptop> cd build
18.54.12 #       <t0mas|laptop> and then ../tools/configure
18.54.35 #       <XavierGr> ok i will try that. :)
18.54.57 #       <XavierGr> it's strange though because I run the command even in the rockbox/tools
18.55.09 #       <t0mas|laptop> you shouldn't
18.55.12 #       <XavierGr> and it gave the same error; now lets see....
18.55.21 #       <t0mas|laptop> how did you run it in the tools folder?
18.55.23 #       <t0mas|laptop> ./configure
18.55.27 #       <t0mas|laptop> or just configure? :)
18.55.39 #       <XavierGr> oops I typed configure
18.56.44 #       <XavierGr> Hooray it worked!! Thanks t0mas!
18.56.49 #       <t0mas|laptop> :)
18.56.50 #       <t0mas|laptop> np
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19.05.30 #       <XavierGr> why is it so slow to make the uisimulator?
19.12.14 #       <preglow> cygwin is slow
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19.20.46 #       <XavierGr> funny the simulator whenever I play an mp3 has while playing screen
19.20.49 #       <t0mas|laptop> preglow? do you know why we chose to use C and not C++ ?
19.20.55 #       <XavierGr> does it have sound output too?
19.21.04 #       <t0mas|laptop> XavierGr: no
19.49.27 #       <preglow> t0mas|laptop: because c is more lightweight
19.49.38 #       <t0mas|laptop> ok, any more good arguments?
19.49.49 #       <preglow> dunno, rockbox people generally seem to dislike c++ for some reason
19.50.27 #       <t0mas|laptop> yeah... and after reading a lot of rockbox I think the same...
19.50.41 #       <t0mas|laptop> as c++ classes tend to start people make a mess of it...
19.51.10 #       <preglow> well, people can write bad code in c as well as c++
19.51.19 #       <preglow> i think c is the right choice for the rockbox core
19.52.24 #       <HCl> hello.
19.52.39 #       <XavierGr> hi HCl
19.52.45 #       <HCl> i like java o.o
19.52.49 #       <HCl> so that should mean i also like c++
19.52.55 #       * HCl ish annoyed.
19.53.03 #       <HCl> stupid car sellers sending me spam by normal mail
19.53.08 #       <HCl> as if email spam isn't bad enough.
19.53.13 #       <t0mas|laptop> ghehe
19.53.27 #       <HCl> my entire letterbox was *filled* with letters
19.53.32 #       <HCl> and 6 out of 7 were spam.
19.53.37 #       <HCl> bleh.
19.53.38 #       <HCl> anyways.
19.53.40 #       <HCl> whats up.
19.54.10 #       <XavierGr> I have to go bye see you all later
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20.18.43 #       <rasher> preglow: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=295759 surprise
20.19.55 #       <preglow> indeed
20.20.30 #       <preglow> well, what mime type are you supposed to use for a text file that contains non-printable characters?
20.21.03 #       <Slasheri> soon multicodec support has been made :)
20.21.14 #       <rasher> Exciting!
20.21.19 #       <rasher> patch patch patch
20.21.26 #       <Slasheri> just wait :)
20.21.31 #       <rasher> can't!
20.21.34 #       <Slasheri> :D
20.21.47 #       <Slasheri> "it's worth the wait" ;)
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20.31.46 #       <preglow> yes, i'd think so
20.36.27 #       <Slasheri> #define CODEC_VORBIS   "/.rockbox/codecs/codecvorbis.rock";
20.37.13 #       <Slasheri> Maybe those definitions could be moved to a separate configuration file later
20.39.23 #       <rasher> surely
20.39.43 #       <rasher> easy way to have different decoders even
20.41.00 #       <thegeek_> is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler current and working?
20.42.06 #       <rasher> Worked For Me(tm)
20.43.44 #       <thegeek_> kk
20.45.17 #       <rasher> Which platform? Cygwin or linux?
20.45.45 #       <thegeek_> linux
20.45.54 #       <thegeek_> going to set it up on my gentoo server;)
20.46.54 #       <rasher> shouldn't cause any trouble
20.47.03 #       <rasher> now cygwin's another deal..
20.47.14 #       <rasher> but apparently, people manage to make that work as well
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20.54.24 #       <bipak> hi
20.56.10 #       <thegeek_> well
20.56.20 #       <thegeek_> cygwin is generally b0rk
20.56.22 #       <thegeek_> so
20.56.30 #       <thegeek_> since I have access to a perfectly good linux box
20.56.36 #       <thegeek_> I think I'll use it;)
20.56.39 #       <rasher> Very sound idea
20.58.01 #       <thegeek_> indeed
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21.05.31 #       <HCl> anything of the new playback stuff committed yet?
21.05.37 #       <preglow> no
21.05.41 #       <HCl> mk.
21.05.48 #       <preglow> won't be for a while either, i'd wager
21.05.53 #       <HCl> mk
21.06.09 #       <preglow> it's just a couple of days since he started ;)
21.06.19 #       <tvelocity> can they be found somewhere for testing?
21.06.34 #       <preglow> nah
21.10.09 #       <t0mas|laptop> hm
21.10.12 #       <t0mas|laptop> the serial port on iriver
21.10.26 #       <t0mas|laptop> to what is it connected?
21.10.31 #       <HCl> nothing.
21.10.39 #       <t0mas|laptop> no, I ment to what chip
21.10.43 #       <HCl> oh.
21.10.46 #       <HCl> cpu? o.o
21.11.00 #       <HCl> why?
21.11.08 #       <t0mas|laptop> wondering how to write a driver for it
21.11.15 #       <HCl> dunno.
21.11.18 #       <HCl> linus should know.
21.11.23 #       <t0mas|laptop> I guess so
21.11.50 #       <t0mas|laptop> Bagder might now it too?
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21.20.15 #       <preglow> won't be much work, it's connected to the serial driver on the chip, afaik
21.20.22 #       <preglow> an uart
21.25.13 #       <t0mas|laptop> oh that sounds easy
21.25.40 #       <preglow> but what are you going to use it for
21.25.40 #       <preglow> ?
21.27.42 #       <t0mas|laptop> don't know
21.27.51 #       <t0mas|laptop> I was just wondering what the possibilitys are
21.28.46 #       <preglow> you'll need some extra hardware to connect it to the pc
21.29.54 #       <t0mas|laptop> hm? just connect rx -> tx and tx -> rx and gnd to some gnd?
21.30.03 #       <t0mas|laptop> on a pc com-port
21.30.47 #       <t0mas|laptop> or am I missing something then?
21.35.09 #       <Slasheri> multicodec support is working :) still have to port mpa2wav-plugin to a codec
21.37.16 #       <preglow> :-)
21.37.34 #       <Slasheri> even volume control works, and audio fades in and out when i use pause
21.37.41 #       <preglow> hahah
21.37.42 #       <preglow> bloody great
21.37.46 #       <Slasheri> :)
21.38.29 #       <preglow> what codecs have you got working?
21.39.08 #       <Slasheri> only vorbis at the moment. But it's rather easy to port all of the xxx2wav-plugins to support codec system
21.40.39 #       <preglow> how do you know multi-codec works, then? :P
21.41.04 #       <Slasheri> It should, i don't see any reason why it wont :)
21.41.28 #       <Slasheri> But i can test this soon for real
21.43.22 #       <t0mas|laptop> ghehe
21.45.13 #       <Slasheri> I think that i will listen to music with rockbox today when i go to work :)
21.45.29 #       <Slasheri> *tomorrow
21.45.48 #       <preglow> but damn
21.45.55 #       <preglow> back up whatever you have done :P
21.46.05 #       <Slasheri> :D
21.48.12 #       <t0mas|laptop> I know a good place to backup
21.48.18 #       <t0mas|laptop> my email account ;)
21.48.28 #       <Slasheri> hehe :)
21.49.11 #       <Slasheri> Just try to wait a little more and you will get better working patch
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21.49.39 #       <Slasheri> I might be able to release it tomorrow
21.49.39 #       <preglow> define "little more", please :P
21.49.43 #       <Slasheri> :P
21.49.59 #       <preglow> do so
21.50.06 #       <preglow> and tell the big boys, so they can have a look at it
21.50.15 #       <Slasheri> yes, i will :)
21.51.23 #       <t0mas> back
21.53.09 #       <CoCoLUS> hm... what happened to the center scrolling?
21.54.28 #       <HCl> mmm
21.54.35 #       * HCl downloads gta san andreas
21.54.57 #       <CoCoLUS> how illegal!
21.55.00 #       <HCl> nope.
21.55.07 #       <HCl> its not illegal to download stuff here.
21.55.13 #       <HCl> only uploading is illegal.
21.55.31 #       <CoCoLUS> where are you? the moon?
21.55.36 #       <gromit`> :)
21.55.42 #       <HCl> netherlands :)
21.56.01 #       <preglow> what?
21.56.03 #       <preglow> pc version? :>
21.56.04 #       <bipak> lol :>
21.56.10 #       <HCl> preglow: that one is out too.
21.56.13 #       <preglow> DKFOASDM
21.56.16 #       <HCl> but i'm getting the xbox version.
21.56.25 #       <HCl> they're both released
21.56.28 #       <CoCoLUS> you're telling me it's legal to use pirated software there, i assume you download it for that purpose ;)
21.56.33 #       <HCl> since 3 days or so.
21.57.03 #       <CoCoLUS> uhm
21.57.07 #       <CoCoLUS> i don't think so hcl
21.57.31 #       <CoCoLUS> (that it is already released)
21.57.44 #       <HCl> it is.
21.58.18 #       <CoCoLUS> whats your source?
21.58.33 #       <HCl> gaming magazine advert
21.58.33 #       <bipak> where are do dl'ing it, HCl? some filesharing tool?
21.58.38 #       <HCl> saying they were both out now
21.59.18 #       <CoCoLUS> those "scene" releases out there are all fake
21.59.43 #       * t0mas wonders if there'll be a linux version :P
21.59.52 #       <t0mas> or if I'm doing to reboot to windows several times a day...
21.59.58 #       <t0mas> *going
22.00.11 #       <HCl> nope, can't find pc version yet, but it should be out real soon
22.00.15 #       <HCl> at least i found the xbox version :)
22.00.49 #       <CoCoLUS> it's a fake...
22.00.55 #       <CoCoLUS> i' betting your mother on it :)
22.01.39 #       <HCl> lmao.
22.01.59 #       <rasher> CoCoLUS: center-scrolling's pretty much done
22.02.17 #       <HCl> well, maybe it is :)
22.02.18 #       <HCl> but
22.02.24 #       <HCl> i did see an advert that it was "out now"
22.02.27 #       <HCl> so it should be out soon o.o
22.02.33 #       <CoCoLUS> june 6
22.02.38 #       <CoCoLUS> is the official rls date, for the xbox version
22.02.51 #       <HCl> anyways
22.02.56 #       <HCl> i got plenty of bandwidth
22.02.58 #       <HCl> i can take a chance.
22.03.32 #       <HCl> ah well, i guess you're right :)
22.03.39 #       <HCl> thats what i get for not using my official xbox torrent site :)
22.03.42 #       <CoCoLUS> yeah but if a release is not listed anywhere, none of your friends are playing it already, don't you think it might be just... wasted bamdwidth? :)
22.03.49 #       <HCl> i got 100mbit
22.03.53 #       <HCl> like i care about bandwidth
22.03.54 #       <HCl>  :P
22.03.59 #       <HCl> want a movie? :P
22.04.01 #       <HCl> pick one
22.04.02 #       <CoCoLUS> damn north europeans :P
22.04.03 #       <HCl> i'll send it to you
22.04.04 #       <HCl>  :P
22.04.53 #       <CoCoLUS> hm
22.05.01 #       <HCl> nah, jk
22.05.10 #       <CoCoLUS> i'd like dancer in the dark ;)
22.05.14 #       <HCl> this gets put in the logs on the site, and i don't really offer uploads ofcourse ;p
22.05.25 #       <HCl> *waves at the fbi and stuff*
22.05.30 #       <bipak> lol
22.05.39 #       <CoCoLUS> like i would accept a cookie from a stranger anyway :P
22.05.43 #       <HCl>  :P
22.05.58 #       <bipak> big cookie :p
22.06.53 #       <CoCoLUS> metaphorical speaking, of course
22.07.07 #       <bipak> are 100mbit everywhere available in netherlands?
22.07.24 #       <HCl> no, not everywhere.
22.07.44 #       <CoCoLUS> but nearly everywhere, and we hate them ALL for that fact :P
22.07.50 #       <bipak> :p
22.08.11 #       <CoCoLUS> anything above 10 mbit is quite expensive here (austria) :/
22.08.15 #       <HCl>  :P
22.08.24 #       <HCl> you can get 20mbit here for 30$ a month or so
22.08.30 #       <bipak> pfff :|
22.09.04 #       <bipak> in germany i pay 30 Euro for 768kbit..
22.09.26 #       <bipak> no higher bandwith available in my region
22.14.09 #       <t0mas> any french people around?
22.15.44 #       <tvelocity> oh no, not again the bandwidth thing...
22.16.17 #       <tvelocity> i pay 60 euros for 384/128kbits, how great :(
22.16.53 #       <bipak> :<
22.17.03 #       <bipak> that not fair
22.17.08 #       <bipak> s/that/that's
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22.19.48 #       <tvelocity> (off-topic) does anyone happen to be proficient with d-bus?
22.20.10 #       <HCl> god
22.20.16 #       <HCl> i love the legal threats on www.thepiratebay.org
22.20.17 #       <HCl> xD
22.23.19 #       <HCl> i should move to sweden :p
22.24.29 #       <tvelocity> me too:P
22.24.45 #       <tvelocity> but then, i would miss the sun... :P
22.25.12 #       <HCl> true P
22.25.30 #       <HCl>  :p
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22.28.40 #       <Chamois> tomas : you want a french ?
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23.11.07 #       <t0mas> hmz
23.11.08 #       <t0mas> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `@make'.  Stop.
23.11.08 #       <t0mas> make: *** [all] Error 2
23.11.20 #       <t0mas> weird error
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