--- Log for 03.06.105  Server: tolkien.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
--- Nick: logbot  Version: Dancer V4.16  Started: 11 days and 14 hours ago

00.00.43 #       <HCl> soon we'll have a database generator that can read ogg
00.00.47 #       <HCl> but its in java :x
00.00.55 #       <Bagder> gah
00.00.57 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I get a feeling that this is the cause for so many broken recordings with my older, asm-optimised recording transfer
00.01.12 #       <Chamois> linus : i have md5 ffdf317356cc0a964a2708d6b90f59cb
00.01.23 #       <Chamois> with 1.65Eu and bootloader 2 is it ok ?
00.01.25 #       <amiconn> Now that I have it asm optimised again, I also get broken recordings again...
00.01.28 #       <Bagder> lucky me, I don't have any oggs
00.01.38 #       <preglow> i have only oggs ://///
00.01.39 #       <jochen> hey, oggs are cool!
00.01.51 #       <Bagder> perhaps, but java is not
00.01.56 #       <preglow> word
00.02.02 #       <LinusN> amiconn: congrats...not!
00.02.02 #       * amiconn has 99.9% mp3s and 0.1% oggs
00.02.04 #       <jochen> at least vorbis supports gapless
00.02.19 #       <preglow> so does (some) mp3s
00.02.23 #       <Bagder> mp3 "supports" that too
00.02.28 #       <preglow> everyone with a brain uses lame anyway
00.03.03 #       <jochen> well, but it wasn't meant to support gapless because of the frame-based structure.
00.03.09 #       <preglow> no
00.03.15 #       <preglow> vorbis too uses frames, you know
00.03.19 #       <preglow> everthing uses frames
00.03.27 #       <Bagder> frames R us
00.03.45 #       <preglow> it doesn't support gapless because the exact original track length is usually not saved anywhere
00.03.47 #       <jochen> well, you know what i mean. *g*
00.03.51 #       <tucoz> preglow, the high pitched sound is like a faint beep (like on a hearing examination)
00.04.02 #       <preglow> tucoz: i usually didn't hear those beeps :P
00.04.20 #       <Stryke`> fwpather.exe won't seem to patch 1.65-US 
00.04.29 #       <LinusN> Chamois: yes
00.04.37 #       <LinusN> Stryke`: i am an idiot
00.04.46 #       <Stryke`> lol
00.05.03 #       <tucoz> I have a pair of sennheiser px200, and they seem to be very sensitive to stuff like that
00.05.15 #       <preglow> perhapzs
00.05.20 #       <preglow> does the iriver fw do this?
00.05.26 #       <tucoz> no
00.05.35 #       <jochen> sry, can't ack that LinusN ;-)
00.05.59 #       <XavierGr> okay now I have to port another plug-in for the iriver, maybe i will give snake or snake2 a try...
00.06.08 #       <preglow> tucoz: can you record it somehow?
00.06.10 #       <XavierGr> any suggestions?
00.06.32 #       <tucoz> But, i don't know if the iriver or the headphones do this, but when I pass those security things (!) in stores I also hear a faint beep
00.06.38 #       <tucoz> hmm, can try
00.06.53 #       <Stryke`> tucoz: i hear that as well (the security things)
00.07.13 #       <preglow> tucoz: that's fairly normal, but i don't think this is electromagnetic interference
00.07.22 #       <tucoz> preglow, in rockbox?
00.07.33 #       <preglow> no, i mean the security things
00.07.43 #       <tucoz> the sound I'm experiencing?
00.07.49 #       <preglow> yes, that's normal
00.07.51 #       <preglow> but not from rockbox
00.07.58 #       <preglow> from security things ;)
00.08.15 #       <tucoz> ok
00.08.40 #       <tucoz> hmm, never recorded anything in linux. Will look around for a bit
00.08.44 #       <preglow> i've got a set of great big headphones with a long wire, so i always hear it as well
00.08.52 #       <tucoz> at stores?
00.08.55 #       <preglow> yea
00.09.05 #       <jochen> tucoz: take a look at audacity
00.09.06 #       <tucoz> ok, so is that the wire causing it?
00.09.27 #       <amiconn> It seems that rockbox doesn't correctly initialise something on iriver (UDA?)
00.09.30 #       <preglow> combination of wire and headphone impedance
00.09.33 #       <tucoz> ok
00.09.53 #       <tucoz> nice to know. Not much of a electronics-knowing person
00.10.08 #       <preglow> amiconn: well, we've got people complaining rockbox sometimes refuses to play sound after booting
00.10.09 #       <amiconn> There is a strong 'pop' when I plug or unplug my earphines when rockbox is running
00.10.18 #       <amiconn> *earphones
00.10.19 #       <preglow> ehh?
00.10.24 #       <preglow> sounds like a dc offset
00.10.32 #       <amiconn> That doesn't happen with the iriver fw, even at max. volume
00.10.49 #       <preglow> but that should never happen
00.11.19 #       <tucoz> I also hear when the harddrive spins up
00.11.31 #       <tucoz> In my headphones that is
00.11.57 #       <amiconn> tucoz: Possibly caused by the dc offset problem... then you'll hear the power ripple caused by the hd
00.12.43 #       <tucoz> amiconn: in plain english? ;)
00.12.46 #       <preglow> i thought most output drivers were dc coupled
00.13.00 #       <tucoz> dc like in direct current = battery?
00.13.45 #       <jochen> gtg, gn8
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00.14.37 #       <amiconn> tucoz: yes
00.15.02 #       <tucoz> and something is wrong with that? A hw error?
00.15.22 #       <amiconn> I just measured it: Rockbox outputs +1.1 V at the left channel, and +0.3 V at the right channel
00.15.32 #       <preglow> but how?
00.15.43 #       <amiconn> With iriver firmware it's perfect zero (<0.01 V)
00.15.52 #       <amiconn> (measured without load)
00.15.55 #       <LinusN> can someone help me, i don't have the korean ihp_120.hex files
00.16.10 #       <preglow> LinusN: and the site doesn't work?
00.16.21 #       <LinusN> the zip files contain windows executables
00.16.21 #       <amiconn> ...and it's independent whether it's fed through the remote or not
00.16.29 #       <preglow> LinusN: ahhh
00.16.46 #       <preglow> have you tried unzipping them?
00.16.52 #       <LinusN> yes
00.16.52 #       <preglow> they might be sfx executables
00.16.55 #       <preglow> aight
00.17.00 #       <markun> LinusN: Wine?
00.17.07 #       <amiconn> LinusN: sec...
00.17.26 #       <LinusN> markun: sure, but i don't want to install wine just now
00.19.13 #       <LinusN> ok i have 1.65k now
00.19.31 #       <LinusN> anybody has 1.63k?
00.20.02 #       <preglow> amiconn: does your meter support picking up the dc component in an audio signal as well? would be fun to see if it's there all the time
00.20.52 #       <preglow> mine just goes wild
00.20.59 #       <preglow> i guess it doesn't filter it first
00.22.20 #       <Stryke`> LinusN: i'm uploading 1.63K now if you still need it to my ftp
00.22.30 #       <Chamois> too late
00.22.40 #       <Chamois> i gave it few sec
00.22.51 #       <Stryke`> ok
00.22.57 #       <amiconn> preglow: I didn't apply the audio patch
00.24.23 #       <preglow> i keep forgetting not everyone has it
00.24.26 #       <tucoz> preglow, didn't show anything when I recorded.
00.24.43 #       <preglow> tucoz: tried normalizing it?
00.24.53 #       <tucoz> it's just a flat line
00.25.04 #       <preglow> the signal is probably too weak for you to see it
00.25.06 #       <preglow> but i bet it's there
00.25.25 #       <amiconn> preglow: Do you also get the dc offset (with silence)?
00.25.25 #       <tucoz> ok, I zoomed in in audacity
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00.26.58 #       <preglow> amiconn: haven't got an extension jack cable, and it's pretty hard to fit the probes in the hole...
00.27.22 #       <preglow> tucoz: do normalize in audacity
00.27.23 #       <amiconn> Such a cable was part of the accessory...
00.27.30 #       <preglow> amiconn: i know! can't find it
00.28.35 #       <tucoz> preglow, where do I find that?
00.29.20 #       <preglow> tucoz: effect->normalize
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00.29.39 #       <tucoz> found it, thanks anyway
00.30.09 #       <preglow> tucoz: do you hear/see it now?
00.31.01 #       <tucoz> argh, don't know. I will try to record it again. Some program I run has 'stolen' the audio device
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00.34.23 #       <tucoz> preglow, I guess I didn't record anything. I hear the iriver, but audacity don't record it
00.34.32 #       <preglow> not much i can do then, heh
00.34.33 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Any objections against changing the LED defines
00.34.34 #       <tucoz> now playing song
00.35.33 #       <amiconn> I'd change that to a multi-value setting. CONFIG_LED { LED_PHYSICAL, LED_VIRTUAL, or undefined }
00.35.58 #       <amiconn> LED_PHYSICAL would be for a software-controlled LED (archos player /recorder)
00.36.07 #       <amiconn> LED_VIRTUAL is for Ondio
00.36.27 #       <amiconn> For iriver it would be undefined as it has a hardware controlled LED
00.36.53 #       <amiconn> That would get rid of the MMC icon on iriver
00.37.22 #       <LinusN> fwpatcher should work better now
00.37.33 #       <amiconn> ?
00.37.38 #       <LinusN> amiconn: fone with me
00.37.40 #       <LinusN> fine
00.37.54 #       <preglow> iriver has mmc icon?
00.37.54 #       <preglow> haha
00.38.09 #       <amiconn> It has... currently
00.38.17 #       <preglow> how... misplaced...
00.38.29 #       <amiconn> The little icon that pops up in the to right corner on hd access
00.39.14 #       <MoosCamaro> LinusN: yes, work fine now
00.39.17 #       <LinusN> time to sleep
00.39.21 #       <LinusN> MoosCamaro: great
00.39.28 #       <MoosCamaro> good night
00.39.34 #       <LinusN> nite all
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00.42.11 #       <tucoz> ok, now the beep is showing
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00.45.36 #       <tucoz> preglow: if you would like, you can have a look at it at http://www.ii.uib.no/~martina/
00.46.55 #       <preglow> this happens when?
00.47.10 #       <tucoz> when I enter a directory for instance
00.47.22 #       <CoCoLUS> hm
00.47.25 #       <tucoz> like, when the dir contents are loaded to memory
00.47.26 #       <CoCoLUS> original firmware -did- the same
00.47.34 #       <CoCoLUS> they fixed that, though
00.47.37 #       <tucoz> not when I return to a dir
00.47.42 #       <preglow> so it's disk interference
00.47.54 #       <tucoz> ok, my player or?
00.48.06 #       <tucoz> something wrong with it that is?
00.48.33 #       <preglow> the left channel's got massive interference
00.48.43 #       <preglow> i'll try this on my player
00.48.58 #       <tucoz> it doesn't happen all the time though. 
00.49.07 #       <XavierGr> good night all!
00.49.35 #       <preglow> doesn't happen at all here
00.49.58 #       <tucoz> never?
00.50.08 #       <preglow> can't say i've ever heard it
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00.50.42 #       <tucoz> I haven't either using iriver fw
00.51.20 #       <CoCoLUS> i have
00.52.06 #       <tucoz> Now I rebooted to iriver fw, shut down, and booted rockbox. Then it's completly silent
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00.52.18 #       <tucoz> s/Then/now
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00.58.20 #       <tucoz> ok, got to go. But, there could be an idea to collect stuff like this on a wikipage.
01.00.02 #       <hacim> anyone have a good source for purchasing hardware? Ebay is not my favorite method, but thats the only place I know of to go to.
01.00.31 #       <tucoz> then again, as the iriver rockbox still is in early-mid development, I guess bug reports will be as for the archoses.
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01.04.46 #       <preglow> well, what better sources are there?
01.04.51 #       <preglow> it's all second-hand anyway
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01.10.46 #       <HCl> hrm.
01.11.09 #       <HCl> i suppose a lot of people would mind if i upgraded the database to include some more fields, rendering the perl version not usable?
01.11.26 #       <HCl> its just that its really easy to get playtime into place with the java one :/
01.11.38 #       <HCl> and i need that one in the database soon...
01.12.29 #       <preglow> then do that in a local copy
01.12.31 #       <amiconn> No java please
01.12.41 #       <HCl> what should i do then?
01.12.47 #       <preglow> destroying the only means people have of updating their database is not clever
01.13.07 #       <HCl> well, i could adapt the perl version to fill in 0 for the songlength
01.13.14 #       <HCl> would still make it work, but limit it.
01.13.48 #       <preglow> that would of course work, but anyway, requiring java will destroy the flexibility people have now
01.13.54 #       <preglow> what with just having perl.exe on their player
01.14.05 #       <HCl> i know that.
01.14.14 #       <preglow> i don't exactly LOVE that solution myself
01.14.16 #       <HCl> i leave it open for someone to update the perl variant..
01.14.19 #       <preglow> but it does work
01.14.39 #       <HCl> i agree that it limits things a bit
01.14.48 #       <HCl> i'm hoping to find a java to .net compiler somewhere
01.14.57 #       <HCl> .net would probably be more useful
01.15.08 #       <HCl> since it creates a .exe
01.15.17 #       <preglow> and requires .net to be isntalled
01.15.18 #       <HCl> that you can run under linux too, with mono
01.15.25 #       <HCl> anyways
01.15.32 #       <HCl> i'll just make the songdb write in not availables
01.15.34 #       <HCl> for all stuff added
01.15.35 #       <preglow> c would by far be nicest :P
01.15.37 #       <HCl> so it will still work.
01.15.41 #       <HCl> not for me, the coder
01.15.42 #       <HCl>  :)
01.15.43 #       <thegeek> fewer people have mono than java
01.15.50 #       <HCl> thegeek: maybe
01.15.53 #       <preglow> no, but the coder isn't the one who's supposed to be having an easy time
01.15.59 #       <HCl>  :P
01.16.04 #       <HCl> screw that. anyways :P
01.16.10 #       <thegeek> I'm pretty sure very few actually have mono installed
01.16.19 #       <HCl> i agree with that
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01.19.28 #       <thegeek> is it absolutely impossible to do it in perl?
01.19.50 #       <HCl> not impossible, but it will be unmaintainable.
01.20.09 #       <preglow> why?
01.20.15 #       <HCl> its already totally unreadable
01.20.16 #       <preglow> perl isn't unmaintainable by default
01.20.22 #       <preglow> then fix it
01.20.30 #       <preglow> everything doesn't have to be in one file
01.20.31 #       <HCl> i don't know perl.
01.20.33 #       <preglow> for one
01.20.44 #       <HCl> plus i'm | | this close to a working java solution
01.20.49 #       <HCl> that will also be able to work the runtime databas
01.20.50 #       <HCl> e
01.20.54 #       <HCl> without a sweat
01.21.03 #       <HCl> being able to read the old database in and adapt it
01.23.08 #       <preglow> does gcj create standalone java executables?
01.23.19 #       <preglow> that might be sort of redeeming
01.23.29 #       <HCl> i think it does.
01.26.53 #       <preglow> looks like it can
01.27.35 #       <HCl> hmm..
01.28.17 #       <HCl> i'm starting to get very confused
01.28.22 #       <HCl> where is my old songdb.pl?
01.28.28 #       <HCl> i'm trying to check it out from cvs
01.28.31 #       <HCl> and i'm getting an old version
01.29.04 #       <HCl> hm...
01.29.54 #       <HCl> ah.
01.29.56 #       <HCl> stupid cvs.
01.38.58 #       <preglow> peh
01.39.08 #       <preglow> gotta catch some hours of sleep
01.39.10 #       <preglow> later all
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01.52.12 #       <HCl> 			w.writeInt(song.getArtist().getOffset());
01.52.16 #       <HCl> yay! i love oo :3
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02.17.25 #       <HCl> mrf..
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02.22.21 #       <Stryke`> anyone try bootloader v2?
02.22.45 #       <HCl> nope
02.22.47 #       <HCl> linus
02.22.49 #       <HCl> did
02.23.03 #       <Stryke`> yeah
02.23.16 #       <Stryke`> i'm always a bit nervous when it comes to flashing
02.24.05 #       <HCl> you and me both
02.25.39 #       <Stryke`> i have a dumb question, as well
02.25.58 #       <HCl> ask, ask
02.26.05 #       <Stryke`> when updating the rockbox build over usb, its perfectly okay to load up the rockbox firmware
02.26.34 #       <Stryke`> it will let you overwrite rockbox.iriver and .rockbox
02.27.09 #       <Stryke`> the first time i did it i booted the original firmware
02.29.34 #       <HCl> mhm
02.30.09 #       <Stryke`> sorry - i didn't really ask my question
02.30.35 #       <Stryke`> rockbox will let you overwrite rockbox.iriver and .rockbox, right?
02.36.49 #       <HCl> yea
02.37.02 #       <HCl> yay, my java implementation pooped out a database
02.38.56 #       <HCl> hmm...
02.39.09 #       * HCl goes to alter it to make it poop out an v2 database..
02.40.22 #       <thegeek> hmm
02.40.23 #       <thegeek> v2?
02.40.27 #       <thegeek> what changed?
02.40.31 #       <HCl> yea, the current database.
02.40.39 #       <thegeek> I meant the bootloader;)
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02.40.43 #       <HCl> oh.
02.40.43 #       <thegeek> hehe
02.40.44 #       <HCl> dunno.
02.40.46 #       <thegeek> ;)
02.41.02 #       <thegeek> I know you did v2 of the database:)
02.41.07 #       <Stryke`> no longer reads the hard drive if the hold switch is on
02.41.12 #       <thegeek> ok
02.41.15 #       <HCl> ohyea..
02.41.33 #       <HCl> mmm... where is my database tester..
02.46.47 #       * HCl slaps java.
02.46.52 #       <HCl> no. bad java! no unicode!
02.47.28 #       <HCl> stupid fancy living in the future programming language :3
02.49.23 #       <gromit`> hey
02.49.52 #       <gromit`> would the rockbox project be interested in participating to a conference in the RMLL 2005
02.51.31 #       <gromit`> http://rencontresmondiales.org/
02.51.44 #       <gromit`> hmmm for the moment i have only a french website to present
02.53.48 #       <gromit`> but people from the whole world are coming
02.54.12 #       <gromit`> it is a free software meeting
02.55.17 #       <gromit`> http://rencontresmondiales.org/sections/conference/pr1
02.56.27 #       <gromit`> pv me for information
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02.57.20 #       <gromit`> going to bed
02.57.24 #       <gromit`> nite
02.58.44 #       <HCl> yay, i think i nailed the last bug in my java code
03.02.37 #       <HCl> well
03.02.41 #       <HCl> thats what i like to believe anyways ;p
03.02.50 #       <HCl> but alas, its not true. where does it go wrong..
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03.16.54 #       <HCl> hmm.
03.17.00 #       * HCl scratches his head..
03.17.03 #       <HCl> ah!
03.17.07 #       <HCl> boku wa baka.
03.17.11 #       <HCl> i'm such an idiot.
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03.20.11 #       <HCl> dohhhh...
03.20.18 #       <HCl> hm. o.o.
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03.38.35 #       <HCl> welp.
03.38.42 #       <HCl> i'll have to prod markun tomorrow
03.38.47 #       <HCl> to see whether it reads oggs properly
03.38.47 #       <HCl> night.
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04.44.37 #       <midk> topic STILL hasn't changed? haha
04.44.51 #       <midk> hm. and plugh's back...
04.44.59 #       <midk> and that darn logbot. :P
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06.59.14 #       <ashridah> LinusN
06.59.53 #       <LinusN> yo
07.01.50 #       <amiconn> morning
07.11.37 #       <amiconn> LinusN: check the Ondio forum....
07.13.13 #       <LinusN> hehe, oops
07.14.18 #       <amiconn> This is in fact crucial; if someone accidentally reformats an Ondio with FAT32 _and_ also has an old firmware release, the Ondio will be bricked...
07.14.40 #       <amiconn> Only rescue would be uart boot + reflash
07.14.45 #       <LinusN> wow
07.15.59 #       <amiconn> Read http://www.archos.com/download/firmware/README_ONDIO_FM_history.txt , notes for 1.31f
07.18.04 #       <LinusN> aha
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07.25.37 #       <Bger> morning :)
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09.46.36 #       <bobTHC> hi mates !
09.47.02 #       <Bagder> hi ho
09.55.36 #       <t0mas> hi
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10.11.55 #       <t0mas> hey martijn 
10.12.00 #       <t0mas> (Nederlander?)
10.12.26 #       <Bagder> now what is the difference between Holland and The Netherlands? ;-)
10.13.15 #       <t0mas> Bagder: nothing... except that Holland has some association with weed ;)
10.13.21 #       <Bagder> haha
10.13.34 #       <t0mas> oh and Holland is not the whole country...
10.13.45 #       <t0mas> it's the kingdom of the Netherlands... containing some islands too...
10.14.02 #       <t0mas> and Holland is split in 2 parts... Noord and Zuid Holland... and that's just the west part of the country
10.14.12 #       <t0mas> (Holland is the part where Amsterdam is ;))
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10.26.03 #       <bobTHC> and seems to confused them too, they leave the chan....
10.26.09 #       <bobTHC> :)
10.26.41 #       <bobTHC> s/confused/confusing
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10.28.46 #       <bobTHC> hehe
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10.46.30 #       <HCl> todays the day :3
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10.47.44 #       <HCl> capslock?
10.47.57 #       <preglow> shift key
10.48.22 #       <HCl> hey preglow
10.48.22 #       <preglow> i'm insane, so i sometimes like to write the channel name in mixed case to see if anyone notices
10.48.27 #       <HCl> you had a lot of oggs right
10.48.30 #       <preglow> yeah
10.48.45 #       <HCl> i don't suppose you have java? :/
10.48.51 #       <preglow> naw
10.48.54 #       <preglow> especially not now
10.48.56 #       <preglow> 64 bit linux, etc
10.49.03 #       <HCl> mk.
10.49.17 #       <HCl> then i'll have to wait for markun to wake up
10.49.25 #       <HCl> i need someone with a lot of oggs to give my new tool a spin..
10.49.27 #       <preglow> think 64 bit ubuntu's got java problems
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10.52.00 #       <LinusN> using java is asking for problems ;-)
10.52.16 #       <Bagder> amen
10.52.21 #       <niobos> amen
10.52.31 #       <crwl> amen 
10.52.36 #       * HCl stretches and doesn't see why :)
10.52.47 #       * niobos 's favorite quote: Saying that Java is nice because it works on all OS's is like saying that anal sex is nice because it works on all genders 
10.52.58 #       <LinusN> lol
10.52.58 #       <crwl> getting java to work properly on a random linux box almost always requires significant amount of handwork
10.53.11 #       <HCl> o.o;
10.53.19 #       <HCl> um.. right o.o.
10.53.33 #       <HCl> anyways, i'm not gonna debate it.
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10.55.05 #       <Bger> niobos lol!
10.55.30 #       <niobos> stole it from bash.org...
10.56.00 #       <Bger> heh, that's really good hit ...
10.57.06 #       <Mirfle> hi
10.59.26 #       <Mirfle> i've been following this project for awhile, I had a jbrfm for a couple months but then it broke so I got an Iriver, and now I can use your great firmware again :)
10.59.57 #       <Mirfle> however, it seems there is a bug with the remote:
10.59.59 #       <preglow> crwl: ahahahah
11.00.21 #       <crwl> preglow, what.
11.00.35 #       <preglow> crwl: misread, i mean:
11.00.39 #       <preglow> niobos: hahahahah
11.00.42 #       <crwl> :P
11.00.52 #       <Mirfle> if the main player is on hold, and you try to turn in the player with the remote (not on hold)
11.01.18 #       <Mirfle> you get a "hold" message, and the player shuts off
11.01.48 #       <LinusN> Mirfle: does that happen even if you hold the remote ON key a little longer?
11.01.58 #       <Mirfle> *turn on
11.02.10 #       <Mirfle> ahhh, no.
11.02.17 #       <ashridah> LinusN: i've been getting that one occasionally, when trying to start the original firmware from the remote as well.
11.02.22 #       <Mirfle> what's the difference?
11.02.32 #       <ashridah> doesn't seem to matter if i hold down record or on or what
11.02.35 #       <LinusN> ashridah: even with the latest boot?
11.03.14 #       <Mirfle> i just flashed the latest bootloader
11.03.39 #       <ashridah> LinusN: i *think* i've gotten it with the most recent version
11.03.46 #       <ashridah> i'm not sure. i'll keep an eye out
11.04.15 #       <LinusN> the problem is probably that the bootloader is configured to run the original firmware when it is started with the remote
11.04.17 #       <ashridah> i mean iriver's firmware thinks the unit is on hold, btw, not rockbox's bootloader
11.04.59 #       <LinusN> and it takes a while to reboot to the original
11.05.21 #       <LinusN> and you have time to release the remote on button during that time
11.05.57 #       <LinusN> so when the original firmware starts, it doesn't see the remote ON key anymore, thinking you started with the main ON key
11.06.22 #       <ashridah> ah
11.08.18 #       <Mirfle> ahh
11.08.26 #       <LinusN> that's unfortunately nothing we can fix
11.08.50 #       <ashridah> heh. it's livable until rockbox becomes the only thing i want to start :)
11.08.51 #       <LinusN> when rockbox matures, we will remove the start-original-with-remote feature
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11.10.43 #       <amiconn> preglow: [10:48:48] <preglow> i'm insane, so i sometimes like to write the channel name in mixed case to see if anyone notices
11.10.58 #       <amiconn> ??? I don't see the channel name anywhere ???
11.11.10 #       <Bger> amiconn on join ?
11.11.38 #       <preglow> 10:47 -!- Irssi: Join to #rOCKBOX was synced in 1 secs
11.11.42 #       <preglow> :>
11.12.01 #       * Bger guessed ;)
11.12.22 #       <ashridah> HCl: i've got a mountain of oggs
11.13.00 #       <ashridah> 725 of them, infact
11.13.13 #       <crwl> i've got several thousand oggs, but not java 
11.13.35 #       <crwl> ogg/mp3/flac ratio seems to be 3117/1379/518 right now 
11.13.48 #       <ashridah> and yes, i've got java
11.13.51 #       <preglow> i rip all my own cvs to oggs, so i've got a bunch
11.13.51 #       * ashridah pats his eclipse install
11.14.01 #       <preglow> cds...
11.14.25 #       <amiconn> Bger, preglow: This is the only thing I see on join:
11.14.27 #       <amiconn> [10:47:43] *** preglow (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) joined
11.15.34 #       <Bger> amiconn it depends on client
11.16.05 #       <Bger> but the IRC server sends channel name in the way it was typed by the join-er ...
11.16.13 #       <amiconn> Seems so. So obviously I can't notice the weird case :-P
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11.16.54 #       <ashridah> creepy
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11.17.08 #       <ashridah> case insensitivty, oh yeah!
11.17.32 #       <Bger> ashridah could you part again?
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11.18.05 #       <Bger> hm
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11.18.25 #       <Bger> on leave it's the same case ...
11.18.32 #       <Bger> but it's logical
11.22.29 #       <preglow> suppose so
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11.37.35 #       <HCl> ashridah: got java?
11.37.39 #       <ashridah> yep
11.37.44 #       <HCl> okay, nice
11.37.48 #       <HCl> i was just adding some more features
11.37.51 #       <HCl> like the strip, add
11.37.53 #       <HCl> etc.
11.38.03 #       <HCl> let me finish up and try to make a proper .jar out of it.
11.41.10 #       <tvelocity> java?
11.41.12 #       <tvelocity> ouch
11.41.19 #       * tvelocity is alergic to java
11.41.22 #       <ashridah> what's wrong with java?
11.42.06 #       <niobos> it's slow...
11.42.28 #       <ashridah> what're you trying to do with it that you consider slow?
11.42.39 #       <HCl> i haven't run a benchmark yet. but as long as you don't use the java graphical interface, its quite fast
11.42.41 #       <tvelocity> java is REALLY slow... even on modern mashines...
11.43.04 #       <preglow> java isn't THAT slow
11.43.09 #       <preglow> like hcl says, the gui part is slow
11.43.14 #       <tvelocity> and it's not as portable as sun is trying to convince people that it is
11.43.15 #       <niobos> a friend was planning to make a EXIF-library in it, to extract jpeg-info, and it was soooo slow...
11.43.32 #       <niobos> well, exif lib + interface, actualy
11.43.48 #       <ashridah> tvelocity: nothing new there, but then, it does a crapload better than a majority of things.
11.43.49 #       <tvelocity> java's portability actually SUCKS
11.43.52 #       <preglow> mono is faster than java now, they say
11.44.12 #       <tvelocity> i'll have to agree with them
11.45.30 #       <ashridah> now, i'll grant you that Swing is the arse end of computing.
11.45.35 #       <HCl> okay
11.45.41 #       <ashridah> but there's stuff you can use instead which mitigates that.
11.45.43 #       <HCl> ashridah: i got a .jar for you..
11.45.48 #       <HCl> hold on..
11.46.28 #       <HCl> i know the .jar is pretty big, but thats only cause of my ogg/mp3 tag reading backend
11.46.37 #       <HCl> i'll strip it someday.
11.46.39 #       <ashridah> how big are we talking here?
11.46.49 #       <HCl> 260kb
11.46.58 #       <ashridah> ah. that's not really all that big :)
11.47.02 #       <HCl> nah, its okish
11.47.06 #       <HCl> but still relatively big
11.47.26 #       <HCl> ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/SongDB.jar
11.47.48 #       <HCl> run with java -cp SongDB.jar SongDB
11.48.21 #       <ashridah> hrm, no manifest with the class name set in it?
11.48.24 #       <ashridah> tsk tsk
11.48.31 #       <HCl> it does support strip, add, dirisalbum, dirisalbumname, but the commandline interface doesn't handle options yet
11.48.35 #       <HCl> so its hardcoded at the moment
11.48.40 #       <HCl> hehe. i don't know how to do manifest yet ;p
11.49.03 #       <HCl> its set to create a v2 database at the moment
11.49.11 #       <HCl> i'm really pleased with java using big endian as default
11.49.35 #       <preglow> internally as well?
11.49.40 #       <HCl> it also tried to output song names in unicode, but i turned that off ;p
11.49.47 #       <HCl> preglow: nah, i meant when writing binary files
11.49.52 #       <ashridah> Failed reading tag for /home/ashridah/atec/cliche-01-phoebus_apollo_cox_edit.ogg, tried mp3 and vorbis.
11.50.10 #       <ashridah> $ file /home/ashridah/atec/cliche-01-phoebus_apollo_cox_edit.ogg 
11.50.12 #       <ashridah> /home/ashridah/atec/cliche-01-phoebus_apollo_cox_edit.ogg: Ogg data, Vorbis audio, stereo, 44100 Hz, ~128031 bps, created by: Xiph.Org libVorbis I (1.0.1)
11.50.14 #       <HCl> as long as you don't get too many of those..
11.50.20 #       <HCl> or do you get it for every one?
11.50.23 #       <ashridah> i got it for ALL of the ones i tried :)
11.50.26 #       <HCl> i might've forgotten a library
11.50.27 #       <HCl> okay
11.50.31 #       <HCl> can you send me some oggs?
11.50.31 #       <ashridah> which, admittedly, was just a small sample :)
11.50.40 #       <ashridah> also got a NullPointerException at the end
11.50.43 #       <ashridah> HCl: dude, i'm on dialup
11.50.44 #       <HCl>  :p
11.50.46 #       <HCl> okay
11.50.49 #       <HCl> i'll get an ogg and test :p
11.50.54 #       <preglow> i can get you oggs
11.51.03 #       <HCl> nah, its ok
11.51.05 #       <preglow> aight
11.51.19 #       <preglow> but i need to get some work done, alter
11.51.21 #       <preglow> late r<-
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11.51.33 #       <ashridah> HCl: yeah, if i run it on a bigger directory, it immediately dies with a NullPointerException
11.51.41 #       <HCl> got a trace for me?
11.51.49 #       <ashridah> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException
11.51.51 #       <ashridah>         at TagDatabase.calcLimits(TagDatabase.java:152)
11.51.51 #       <ashridah>         at TagDatabase.writeDatabase(TagDatabase.java:270)
11.51.51 #       <ashridah>         at SongDB.main(SongDB.java:14)
11.52.09 #       <HCl> okay
11.52.09 #       <HCl> thanks
11.52.25 #       <HCl> o.o
11.52.40 #       <HCl> hm.
11.52.45 #       <HCl> thats caused by it not getting any tags at all.
11.53.32 #       <ashridah> well, all the oggs were in subdirectories
11.53.35 #       <HCl> its not handling that well yet
11.53.39 #       <HCl> yea, it handles subdirectories
11.53.43 #       <HCl> the backend is failing
11.53.50 #       <HCl> i might've forgotten a library that ogg needs
11.55.39 #       <HCl> hm...
11.55.50 #       <bobTHC> me too :
11.56.03 #       <HCl> no, it seems like something went wrong when i tried to merge the .jars i had and the .classes into one .jar
11.57.02 #       <HCl>  :X how do you properly merge those? :/
11.57.13 #       <bobTHC> i have a directory with only Mp3 files and i had the same error than ashridah
11.58.13 #       <amiconn> HCl: Just implement it in perl...
11.58.27 #       <ashridah> haha. 
11.58.35 #       <ashridah> cpan install humungousmessofunfinishedtosh
11.59.01 #       <amiconn> The current songdb.pl doesn't need any modules
11.59.22 #       <HCl> NO.
11.59.26 #       <HCl> woops
11.59.28 #       <HCl> capslock
11.59.28 #       <HCl> xD
11.59.34 #       * HCl bites his capslock
11.59.47 #       * ashridah huggles his capslockless keyboard
12.00.48 #       <Bger> ashridah hahaha
12.01.52 #       <ashridah> hahaha?
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12.05.11 #       <HCl> hmm..
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12.06.03 #       <HCl> hrm!
12.06.09 #       * HCl found one of his bugs.
12.06.52 #       <Bger> HCl: maybe the bug is in the language u're using ;)
12.06.57 #       <HCl> nope.
12.07.09 #       <HCl> java is *really* bug free, actually
12.07.30 #       <HCl> its just that my filename filter is searching for .ogg and .mp3
12.07.33 #       <Bger> HCl there's no such thing as bug free
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12.07.37 #       <HCl> but ends up stripping directories
12.07.44 #       <HCl> Bger: in other languages, there isn't, no ;p
12.07.51 #       <Bger> HCl i was just joking
12.13.02 #       <HCl> there we go
12.13.10 #       <HCl> i was missing a couple of libraries...
12.13.44 #       <HCl> i really need to strip it, heh.
12.19.47 #       <gromit`> < HCl> +java is *really* bug free, actually
12.19.52 #       <HCl> 		System.out.println(f.getAbsolutePath()+" directory: "+f.isDirectory());
12.19.54 #       <HCl> woops
12.20.00 #       <gromit`> there were many security holes reveales quite recently
12.20.00 #       * HCl prods putty
12.20.06 #       <gromit`> s/s/d
12.20.09 #       <HCl> kay
12.20.17 #       <HCl> i more meant code stability
12.20.49 #       <gromit`> ok:)
12.27.47 #       <HCl> bleh..
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12.29.44 #       * HCl prods ashridah 
12.30.07 #       <ashridah> mm?
12.30.14 #       <HCl> just checking if you're still awake
12.30.16 #       <HCl> let me upload this
12.30.19 #       <HCl> and you can give it a spin
12.30.30 #       <Bger> why is this banlist ?
12.30.38 #       <HCl> hm?
12.30.49 #       <HCl> *shrugs*
12.30.51 #       <HCl> anyways.
12.30.59 #       <HCl> ashridah: ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/SongDB.jar
12.31.05 #       <HCl> you can run it with java -jar SongDB now
12.31.12 #       <HCl> SongDB.jar *
12.31.36 #       <HCl> it should do vorbis, emphasis on should
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12.32.52 #       <HCl> haven't tested it
12.32.59 #       <HCl> i fixed the directory stuff too.
12.33.10 #       <HCl> it was stupidly filtering them out because they didn't end on .mp3 and .ogg
12.33.12 #       <HCl>  ;p
12.33.45 #       <ashridah> $ java -jar SongDB.jar atec/
12.33.49 #       <ashridah> Artist with longest name (8) :Carl Cox
12.33.49 #       <ashridah> Artist with most albums (1) :Carl Cox
12.33.49 #       <ashridah> Album with longest name (24) :At The End Of The Cliché
12.33.49 DBUG    Enqueued KICK ashridah
12.33.49 #       <ashridah> Album with most songs (12) :At The End Of The Cliché
12.34.28 #       <HCl> seems to work nicely, here at least
12.34.41 #       <ashridah> heh. needs a progress counter
12.34.55 #       <HCl> yea, it seems slow :/
12.34.58 #       <HCl> i'll look at that later
12.35.32 #       <ashridah> and then it just wrote "ioexception" to the screen a few zillion times :)
12.35.35 #       <ashridah> real descriptive there, btw :)
12.35.38 #       <HCl> woops
12.35.42 #       <HCl> what happened there?
12.35.44 #       <HCl>  :)
12.35.49 Ctcp    Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 9 seconds at the last flood
12.35.49 #       * ashridah gives HCl the cookie of crap error handling
12.35.51 #       <HCl>  :P
12.35.52 #       <HCl> yay!
12.35.56 #       <HCl> yea
12.36.02 #       <HCl> i didn't really expect to get ioexceptions
12.36.17 #       <HCl> read only directory? faulty files?
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12.36.22 #       <HCl> bad sectors? o_o
12.36.39 #       <ashridah> HCl: it's on a fat filesystem, so it's not going to be a read-only directory.
12.36.51 #       <ashridah> and hard to say, since it doesn't tell me What it was trying to do at the time
12.36.55 #       <HCl> odd
12.36.58 #       <HCl> let me check the code
12.37.02 #       * ashridah hands HCl another instance of the cookie of crap error handling
12.37.05 #       <HCl>  :P
12.37.16 #       <HCl> okay
12.37.21 #       <HCl> i found the crap error handling
12.37.23 #       <HCl> let me adjust it :P
12.37.52 #       <ashridah> of course, since many of my tags are dodgy, a lot of the stats it tosses at the end suck :)
12.38.03 #       <HCl> mmm?
12.38.05 #       <HCl> how so?
12.38.07 #       <ashridah> but it does finish
12.38.10 #       <HCl> yea
12.38.13 #       <HCl> the errors you got
12.38.18 #       <HCl> were ioexceptions while trying to read a tag.
12.38.31 #       <HCl> bit odd, i didn't really expect that to happen
12.40.15 #       <HCl> okay, reget it off my ftp
12.40.20 #       <HCl> it should poop out proper error handling now
12.40.24 #       <HCl> but you'll probably get flooded more
12.40.37 #       <HCl> cause now it prints a stacktrace for every one of those
12.41.51 #       <HCl> ashridah: you should be able to use the database browser in rockbox now, with your oggs..
12.42.31 #       <ashridah> whoa. just dialed up again and got exactly the same ip
12.42.39 #       <HCl>  :p
12.42.44 #       <ashridah> so, download again?
12.42.49 #       <HCl> yea
12.42.55 #       <HCl> i made it print a proper stacktrace
12.43.16 #       <Bger> HCl URL ?
12.43.33 #       <HCl> ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/SongDB.jar
12.44.09 #       <Bger> how to run it ?
12.44.17 #       <HCl> java -jar SongDB.jar
12.44.22 #       <ashridah> java -jar SongDB /directory/
12.44.31 #       <ashridah> SongDB.jar rather
12.44.44 #       <HCl> i'll add the interface for the options soon, but after this works semi decently, i'm gonna shower and make breakfast first
12.45.20 #       <HCl> hm
12.45.21 #       <HCl> oops
12.45.23 #       <ashridah> ahahaha
12.45.25 #       <ashridah> java.io.IOException: JOrbis: VorbisFile: java.io.FileNotFoundException: /usr/local/archives/common/Music/SpineShank/The Height of Callousness/09 - Seamless.ogg (Too many open files)
12.45.28 #       <ashridah> dude
12.45.29 #       <ashridah> :)
12.45.30 #       <HCl>  :P
12.45.32 #       <HCl> lmao.
12.45.41 #       <ashridah> yeah, close them :)
12.45.46 #       <HCl> yea, i wonder how :P
12.45.56 #       <HCl> *digs into the code for readogginfo*
12.46.24 #       <HCl> mm..
12.46.27 #       <ashridah> don't just toss away the file descriptor, close it, THEN toss it away
12.46.30 #       <HCl> yea :P
12.46.41 #       <ashridah> you'll find often stuff doesn't get flushed to disk if you forget to close it
12.46.41 #       <HCl> its supposed to do that
12.46.44 #       <HCl> its a bug in my backend
12.46.46 #       <ashridah> (when writing, anyway)
12.47.07 #       <niobos> shouldn't tho oh-so-wonderful java-garbagde-collecotr destroy the object and close the file himself???
12.47.50 #       <niobos> ok, drop the "oh-so-wonderfull"
12.48.23 #       <ashridah> niobos: there's no garuntee in any part of java that the destructor will run
12.48.39 #       <ashridah> closing files yourself is a) good manners and b) smart programming.
12.48.50 #       <niobos> I know...
12.49.06 #       <niobos> but it would be nice to catch this in the garbadge collecotr...
12.49.07 #       <ashridah> because even if the garbage collector kicks in properly, there's still a filesystem limit, and you might beat the garbage collector to the punch
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12.50.33 #       <ashridah> i don't see how closing the file is the garbage collector's job. as i say, garbage collection isn't necessarily going to kick in.
12.51.15 #       <niobos> ok, I agree
12.51.30 #       <HCl> yea, and its my backend not closing the file..
12.51.39 #       <amiconn> HCl: Didn't you say java is inherently bug-free? :-P
12.51.41 #       <HCl> fortunately it can also read from an inputstream
12.51.45 #       <HCl> amiconn: it is.
12.51.56 #       <HCl> its a bug from the coders who made the backend
12.52.06 #       <HCl> its part of a music player written in java
12.52.08 #       <HCl> not java itself
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12.53.29 #       <rasher> Guess there'll be no id3-db browsing for me then :-<
12.53.41 #       <rasher> or whatever the name is now
12.53.46 #       <HCl> why? :/
12.54.00 #       <rasher> Well you're writing this in Java, which makes me wonder about your sanity
12.54.28 #       <Bger> HCl what about GNU Java compiler ?
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12.54.53 #       <rasher> What about just extending the existing script to reading vorbiscomments instead.. I honestly don't get the point of this exercise
12.55.04 #       <amiconn> [12:35:23] <HCl> yea, it seems slow :/  <== didn't you also say java isn't slow?
12.55.29 #       <HCl> Bger: should work
12.55.46 #       <HCl> amiconn: yea, it shouldn't be.
12.56.33 #       <rasher> http://search.cpan.org/~davecross/AudioFile-Info-1.08/lib/AudioFile/Info.pm <-- this should do it
12.56.44 #       <Bger> ftp://alta.cjb.net/Fun/gavra.jpg (pasv)
12.57.50 #       <HCl> rasher: the problem isn't reading ogg tags.
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12.58.00 #       <rasher> What is it then..?
12.58.07 #       <HCl> the problem is the code getting *completely* unreadable and unmaintainable
12.58.37 #       <rasher> assuming you code unreadable and unmaintainable code
12.58.45 #       <HCl> have you seen songdb.pl?
12.59.04 #       <HCl> try implementing reading an old database in before manipulating it
12.59.06 #       <HCl> good luck
12.59.06 #       <HCl>  :/
12.59.10 #       * Bger thinks that the link given by rasher is very maintable ...
12.59.24 #       <Bger> the example in the link i mean
12.59.34 #       <ashridah> Bger: that makes it highly unusual for a cpan module
13.00.01 #       <HCl> ashridah: can you give the one on my ftp a spin..?
13.00.06 #       <HCl> i should've fixed the open file errors
13.00.30 #       <HCl> the bug bger reported should also be fixed
13.00.43 #       <Bger> i'll try it again ;)
13.01.08 #       <Bger> HCl: nope ... 
13.01.22 #       <Bger> btw, are you searching only in files .mp3 & .ogg ?
13.01.25 #       <rasher> I still think using Java for such a functionality is shooting yourself in the foot
13.01.27 #       <HCl> yes
13.01.42 #       <HCl> Bger: are you sure it redownloaded? windows has this nasty habit of caching ftp files
13.01.47 #       <HCl> even though they have actually been updated
13.01.52 #       <Bger> grr w8
13.02.01 #       <HCl> i hate windows for that
13.02.03 #       <Bger> i'm making bul....ts :)
13.02.11 #       <Bger> HCl i'm using wget ...
13.02.13 #       <HCl> i use a windows port of lftp...
13.02.14 #       <HCl> okay
13.02.25 #       <Bger> but i haven't downloaded it again (don't ask me why)....
13.02.49 #       * Bger is wandering somewhere
13.03.00 #       <HCl> the backend i got isn't entirely clean
13.03.09 #       <HCl> at some point i'll probably want to rewrite it to c++
13.03.26 #       <HCl> once everything works, including runtimedb and stuff.
13.03.30 #       <amiconn> eek
13.03.32 #       <Bger> grr... rm SongDB.jar under cmd.exe ....
13.04.11 #       <rasher> doing it in C(++) sounds a lot more sane
13.04.53 #       <ashridah> $ java -jar SongDB.jar /usr/local/archives/common/Music/
13.04.53 #       <ashridah> java.io.IOException: mark/reset not supported
13.04.55 #       <ashridah> almost immediately
13.04.59 #       <HCl> okay
13.05.05 #       <HCl> easy fix there..
13.05.07 #       <HCl> hold on.
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13.05.26 #       <preglow> doing it in perl sounds even saner :P
13.05.30 #       <Bger> HCl worse ...
13.05.34 #       <Bger> it's showing this non-stop
13.05.36 #       <Bger> hahaha
13.05.42 #       <HCl>  :p
13.05.57 #       <HCl> sorry, should've tested it myself
13.06.04 #       <preglow> would anyone care massively if the module were taken out of songdb.pl?
13.06.05 #       <rasher> preglow: well doing it in C would eliminate the dependency oon perl, which isn't that great for windows users
13.06.05 #       <HCl> apparently the backend wants a buffered inputstream
13.06.19 #       * ashridah urinates on perl
13.06.21 #       <preglow> pasting all the modules into one file is not very maintainable
13.06.30 #       <ashridah> the sad part is, perl's so masochistic, it likes it
13.06.31 #       <preglow> rasher: doing it in c would also be a major bother :P
13.07.04 #       <preglow> rasher: but of course, if it were written carefully in c, we could also use the same code for generating the db on the player
13.07.20 #       <rasher> now that's good thinking
13.07.26 #       <Bger> really good. ..
13.07.37 #       <HCl> oh for crying out loud.
13.07.45 #       <preglow> it wouldn't be THAT much of a bother, really, but we'd need good libs
13.07.47 #       <HCl> i don't like my backend o.o
13.08.48 #       * HCl scratches his head.
13.09.00 #       <preglow> oh pretty, pretty please
13.09.04 #       <HCl> well. i think this error is semi-okish, and just caused by a not proper mp3
13.09.05 #       <preglow> someone make a good audio editor for linux
13.09.20 #       <preglow> you can't count on mp3s being proper
13.09.21 #       <Bger> HCl which one 
13.09.34 #       <HCl> java.io.IOException: Resetting to invalid mark
13.09.34 #       <HCl>         at java.io.BufferedInputStream.reset(Unknown Source)
13.09.34 #       <HCl>         at org.tritonus.share.sampled.file.TAudioFileReader.getAudioFileFormat(T
13.09.37 #       <HCl> AudioFileReader.java:184)
13.09.45 #       <amiconn> preglow: The module is pasted for a reason, which is also stated within the script
13.09.53 #       <HCl> my backend isn't good with handling broken files, but yea.
13.10.07 #       <HCl> it might poop out some exceptions on bad files, but let me toss this one online for testing
13.10.50 #       <Bger> HCl the last version writes out this on nearly every file ...
13.10.57 #       <HCl> yes
13.10.59 #       <HCl> thats correct
13.11.09 #       <HCl> there.
13.11.11 #       <HCl> redownload now
13.11.13 #       <HCl> and try
13.11.23 #       <HCl> it might give some "resetting to invalid mark" exceptions
13.11.25 #       <HCl> but it should work
13.11.26 #       <preglow> you distribute your own perl.exe anyway, and perl can be compiled to look in a default dir for modules
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13.12.18 #       <preglow> someone do this in c, please :V
13.12.24 #       <HCl> preglow, sure.
13.12.25 #       <Bger> :)))
13.12.42 #       <preglow> everything else is either a flaming hack or a major bother
13.12.45 #       <HCl> i can do this in C, but i like to get it straight in java first
13.12.55 #       <preglow> then hooray
13.12.58 #       <HCl> it shouldn't be hard to port it to C, as long as someone can provide me with a tag reading backend
13.13.13 #       <preglow> why do you call it a backend? it's a tag reading library you want :>
13.13.17 #       <amiconn> preglow: (1) This perl.exe isn't a special build. (2) What default dir do you think should be selected?
13.13.21 #       <HCl> same thing
13.13.27 #       <preglow> amiconn: \.rockbox\perl !
13.13.27 #       <Bger> preglow maybe Java-ish style ;)
13.13.33 #       <niobos> HCl: shouldn't be too hard.. I wrote a complete ID3v2 edit-lib in about a week (3 years ago...)
13.13.36 #       <HCl> ashridah / Bger: test latest version?
13.13.58 #       <Bger> HCl there are also errors, but not as much as in previous "release"
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13.14.00 #       <HCl> niobos: mmm, but before anything, i want to get it completely straight in OO
13.14.05 #       <HCl> Bger: which? invalid mark?
13.14.11 #       <Bger> yes
13.14.17 #       <HCl> yea, i got one of those too.
13.14.23 #       <niobos> HCl: C++ IS OO
13.14.25 #       <HCl> but it was on a file without a proper tag anyways
13.14.30 #       <HCl> niobos: i'm well aware of that.
13.14.36 #       <HCl> but java is *much* nicer to code in
13.14.40 #       <niobos> true
13.14.48 #       <preglow> i dunno
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13.14.51 #       <HCl> i highly prefer debugging in java
13.14.52 #       <amiconn> preglow: The point is that the way it is now, you can put the .pl (and the .exe for windows) on your player, and execute it on any machine, regardless whether linux or windows and regardless how the box is mounted (on linux) or which drive letter it gets (in windows)
13.14.54 #       <HCl> than c or c++
13.14.58 #       <preglow> c++ is a bastard, but i like prefer it to java
13.14.58 #       <niobos> anyway, If you need help in that library coding, let me know
13.15.08 #       <HCl> okay
13.15.29 #       <preglow> tag reading libs should be out there somewhere
13.15.35 #       <Bger> id3lib ?
13.15.40 #       <preglow> we need more than id3
13.15.42 #       <HCl> there are.
13.15.46 #       <HCl> there was one written in c++
13.15.47 #       <HCl> iirc
13.15.49 #       <Bger> yeah, i know
13.15.54 #       <rasher> I'm sure there are like a gazillion for each format
13.15.54 #       <HCl> supporting mp3, ogg, flac
13.15.57 #       <preglow> we'll need id3, vorbis tags, ape tags, flac tags, etc
13.16.03 #       <HCl> yea, there was one like that..
13.16.09 #       <Bger> FLAC is vorbis afaik ?
13.16.11 #       <rasher> doesn't flac just use vorbistags?
13.16.15 #       <Bger> is with vorbis tags
13.16.16 #       <preglow> Bger: think you can choose
13.16.22 #       <preglow> but might be wrong
13.16.23 #       <rasher> vorbiscomment, I believe actuallly the name is
13.16.28 #       * HCl prods ashridah 
13.16.39 #       <Dave99> are these other tag formats similar to id3?
13.16.47 #       <amiconn> preglow: This would not work if it would rely on external modules, regardless of a possible default path for modules
13.17.36 #       <preglow> no, that's true
13.17.36 #       <preglow> apart from the default ones, of course
13.17.38 #       <preglow> but we'd still need to have the module sitting right next to perl.exe or pasted into songdb.pl
13.17.50 #       <preglow> ANYWHO, someone should do it in c :]
13.17.54 #       <HCl> hehe.
13.17.58 #       <HCl> i'll do it in c
13.18.03 #       <HCl> after its completely finished in java.
13.18.06 #       <preglow> then again, hooray!
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13.18.42 #       <preglow> just keep in mind that you'll be severly punished if you lose interest after writing the java version
13.18.47 #       <HCl>  :P :P
13.19.36 #       <HCl> that chance isn't non-existant though ;x
13.19.51 #       <preglow> i know
13.19.57 #       <HCl> anyways
13.20.00 #       <preglow> but if you love your knee caps it should be
13.20.09 #       * HCl continues prodding ashridah with a stick
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13.24.36 #       <HCl> Bger: can i toss you a new songdb.jar, and can you try to use the database on rockbox?
13.24.46 #       <preglow> Slasheri: what up, yo, commit! commit!
13.24.55 #       <Bger> HCl i
13.25.00 #       <Bger> 'm H340 owner ....
13.25.05 #       <HCl> oh.
13.25.06 #       <HCl> okay :X
13.25.08 #       <HCl> darn.
13.25.09 #       <Bger> :)
13.25.40 #       <Bger> but if Linus give me a bootloader ... :P
13.25.58 #       <HCl>  :p
13.26.07 #       <Lynx_> HCl: you switched from perl to java for the db generation?
13.26.47 #       <HCl> for now, yes
13.27.03 #       <preglow> don't tar and feather him quite yet
13.27.05 #       <HCl> i need an OO language to keep it maintainable
13.27.43 #       <HCl> has anyone tested slasheri's patch with the database browser? does that work?
13.27.49 #       <Bger> there's one phrase ... the temporary things are most permanent ...
13.27.51 #       <preglow> you really can't write maintainable code in c ?
13.28.07 #       <HCl> not with the ease of java, no.
13.28.19 #       <HCl> the only reason i managed to write this overnight
13.28.25 #       <HCl> is because java is so nice to debug
13.28.47 #       <preglow> shopshop
13.30.31 #       <LinusN> everyone can be efficient in their favourite language
13.30.42 #       <LinusN> java happens to be yours
13.30.50 #       <HCl> mhm
13.30.59 #       <LinusN> perl happens to be mine
13.31.10 #       <LinusN> or c
13.31.11 #       <LinusN> or asm
13.31.14 #       <LinusN> or...
13.31.20 #       <HCl> do you know perl oo ?
13.31.32 #       <LinusN> i haven't dealt with it much
13.31.41 #       <HCl> k ;/
13.32.17 #       <LinusN> i wonder how programmers managed before oo was popular
13.32.27 #       <HCl> cruddily :)
13.32.56 #       <LinusN> back then the silver bullet was "structured programming"
13.34.07 #       <HCl> well, using structures can be very much like oo
13.34.16 #       <HCl> which is exactly how i plan to make it in C
13.34.25 #       <HCl> or perl. depending on the readability of perl OO (for me)
13.34.53 #       <LinusN> my point is that anyone can write a crappy program, regardless of oo
13.34.59 #       <HCl> ofcourse
13.35.01 #       <LinusN> it will just be a crappy oo program
13.35.07 #       <Bger> yeah
13.35.34 #       <LinusN> i can go on and on about this'
13.35.47 #       <LinusN> i'd better stop and do something useful
13.36.57 #       <HCl>  :p
13.37.01 #       <HCl> like prodding slasheri
13.37.02 #       <HCl> to give his patch
13.37.11 #       <LinusN> for example
13.37.43 #       * ashridah suspects many a crappy programmer is going to come out of his year when it graduates :(
13.40.37 #       <HCl> its awake!
13.40.39 #       * HCl prods ashridah 
13.40.48 #       <HCl> ashridah: get the last version, and try it on your rockbox?
13.40.53 #       <HCl> see if database browsing works with oggs
13.44.13 #       <ashridah> sorry, been distracted by a CMS system i'm poking at out of boredom (you know, instead of studying for my exams)
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13.44.39 #       <ashridah> hm, CMS system. ATM machine. oops
13.45.07 #       <HCl> okay, test it? :p
13.45.36 #       <ashridah> still leeching
13.45.44 #       <HCl> k :)
13.45.47 #       <preglow> perl is most definitely my favourite language
13.45.59 #       <ashridah> as CMS's go, xoops isn't too bad.
13.46.01 #       <HCl>  :)
13.46.05 #       * HCl adjusts code a little..
13.46.11 #       <LinusN> did markun finish his margin-scroll patch?
13.46.14 #       <ashridah> perl can die. along with perl's creator, and every single one of perl's users.
13.46.21 #       <ashridah> with the possible exception of LinusN 
13.46.24 #       <ashridah> because we need him :)
13.46.35 #       * LinusN runs for his life
13.46.46 #       <HCl>  ;p
13.46.50 #       * preglow draws strength from perl and prepares to counterattack
13.47.00 #       <Bger> run, LinusN, run, run to the hills ... ;)
13.47.05 #       <LinusN> use the source luke
13.47.29 #       <LinusN> run to the hills, run for your liiiife
13.47.33 #       <Bger> yep :)
13.47.47 #       * HCl asks markun
13.47.54 #       <ashridah> HCl: still getting exceptions
13.47.58 #       * preglow goes back to his jethro tull binge
13.48.00 #       <HCl> ashridah: invalid marks?
13.48.18 #       <ashridah> yeah
13.48.19 #       <HCl> those are "normal", its a bug in the backend, means tag reading failed
13.48.23 #       <ashridah> resetting to invalid mark
13.48.28 #       <HCl> LinusN: no, not yet
13.48.32 #       <HCl> yea
13.48.40 #       <HCl> it should poop out a correct database regardless
13.48.43 #       <HCl> can you try it on your rockbox?
13.48.54 #       <ashridah> where do i put it?
13.49.06 #       <HCl> in .rockbox
13.49.14 #       <HCl> i hope the paths are okay and stuff
13.49.24 #       <HCl> can you toss it in ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/incoming/ as well?
13.49.33 #       <HCl> just want to analyse it briefly
13.49.35 #       * niobos is off to lunch
13.49.45 #       <ashridah> how do i use it?
13.49.56 #       <HCl> LinusN: there's a small bug in changing fontsize, but its finished aside from that.
13.50.05 #       <HCl> ashridah: file view -> id3 database
13.51.22 #       <ashridah> i don't think i have that option
13.51.35 #       * HCl checks his iriver
13.51.37 #       <HCl> did you reboot it?
13.51.59 #       <HCl> general settings -> file view -> show files -> id3 database
13.52.08 #       <CoCoLUS> rockbox.id3db is ~6mb
13.52.13 #       <CoCoLUS> with -a-lot- of zeros in it :)
13.52.16 #       <ashridah> aha
13.52.21 #       <HCl> that can happen, yea..
13.52.34 #       <ashridah> it's only 760kB here
13.52.40 #       <HCl> like i have an album with 715 songs
13.52.42 #       <HCl> causing all other albums
13.52.49 #       <HCl> to take up at least 715*4 space
13.53.22 #       <CoCoLUS> is that the last line of the songdb output? :)
13.53.24 #       <CoCoLUS> "Album with most songs (1276) :neu" ?
13.53.29 #       <HCl> yes
13.53.32 #       <HCl> 1276 :P
13.53.35 #       <HCl> more than me :P
13.53.39 #       <ashridah> viewing the "Songs" option seems kinda crappy
13.53.48 #       <HCl> ashridah: mm? what happens?
13.53.54 #       <ashridah> shows lots of music icons, but only about 1 in 20 or so actually have text, and it's the END of the text
13.54.03 #       <HCl> thats a bug. hm..
13.54.03 #       <CoCoLUS> yeah the folder only contains single songs
13.54.20 #       <CoCoLUS> dunno why that is considered as an al
13.54.24 #       <CoCoLUS> bum anyway :P
13.54.24 #       <HCl> ashridah: can you send your database to me..?
13.54.58 #       <ashridah> yeah, hang
13.56.21 #       * HCl goes to upload his test database to his iriver to check..
13.56.56 #       <ashridah> done. incoming/id3db.zip 
13.56.58 #       <HCl> mine checked out on my database checker, at least
13.56.59 #       <HCl> okay
13.58.20 #       <HCl> yea, your database is definately broken
13.58.25 #       <ashridah> yay
13.58.26 #       <HCl> thats rather odd.
13.58.39 #       <HCl> i don't see how that could've happened :/
13.58.47 #       * HCl checks his own
14.00.59 #       <HCl> nope, i got it too. hm.
14.04.57 #       <HCl> okay, i got the bug, not sure how to fix it yet..
14.06.05 #       * HCl fixes..
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14.12.21 #       <Bger> hey ... have you ever heard about coLinux ?
14.12.29 #       <HCl> okay, i'm starting to get pretty annoyed at java :P
14.12.38 #       <Bger> HCl :P
14.12.43 #       <HCl> its utterly fucking up when trying to get a songcount
14.12.51 #       <HCl> and i have no idea why
14.13.47 #       <HCl> everything works, but its saying it has more songs than it actually has
14.14.36 #       <HCl> i even did a manual count, and it still manages to fail, i have no idea how it manages that
14.16.00 #       <HCl> hrm.
14.16.01 #       <HCl> okay..
14.16.13 #       * HCl knows.
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14.17.28 #       <HCl> my song comparer says that if two songs have the same title they're the same song, which is obviously not the case.
14.18.51 #       <ashridah> i'm pretty sure that's not the case with my music
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14.25.46 #       <HCl> fixed
14.25.52 #       <HCl> it was my sloppy coding that caused it :)
14.26.15 #       <HCl> let me just fix one more thing..
14.27.45 #       <HCl> i'm going against java a bit :/
14.28.33 #       <HCl> let me upload it
14.29.07 #       <HCl> on my ftp
14.29.09 #       <HCl> give it a try..
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14.30.35 #       * HCl fixes bitrate..
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14.31.34 #       <HCl> mental note; get a decent sort algorhythm, instead of putting it in a treeset
14.32.11 #       <ashridah> i agree
14.33.57 #       <HCl> the set property is throwing out "duplicates" which are equal according to the comparator, which defines the way it sorts
14.34.10 #       <HCl> which was causing the bug
14.35.26 #       <ashridah> still broken 
14.35.33 #       <HCl> ugh :/
14.35.34 #       <HCl> okay
14.35.39 #       <HCl> toss me your database?
14.35.46 #       * HCl is close to giving up the java version o.o;
14.35.56 #       <HCl> not that its any easier
14.35.58 #       <HCl> in any other language
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14.40.05 #       <ashridah> uploaded
14.40.09 #       <HCl> can you put your database in incoming?
14.40.11 #       <HCl> k
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14.40.21 #       <ashridah> did. id3db-2.zip
14.42.49 #       <HCl> yea
14.42.50 #       <HCl> got it..
14.42.52 #       <HCl> same bug
14.42.55 #       <HCl> i need a proper sorter..
14.45.27 #       <HCl> ah.
14.45.29 #       <HCl> easy.
14.46.04 #       <ashridah> #@$%@#$%
14.46.12 #       <ashridah> just rm -r'ed my build tree
14.46.31 #       <HCl> o.o
14.46.49 #       * Slasheri catches digital flow with the new ring buffer :)
14.47.07 #       <Slasheri> and got illinstr after that ;)
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14.47.42 #       <ashridah> yay1
14.47.47 #       <ashridah> yay! even
14.48.14 #       <LinusN> illringbfr
14.48.59 #       <bobTHC> HCl > this algo is not bad for sorting : http://www-igm.univ-mlv.fr/~lecroq/string/node15.html
14.49.17 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: exactly :)
14.50.37 #       <HCl>  :P
14.51.21 #       <tvelocity> so.... (/whinner mode on) are you gona commit soon?:P
14.51.48 #       <Slasheri> tvelocity: i will release the patch as soon as i got this issue fixed :)
14.52.05 #       <tvelocity> which means "when it's done" right? :D
14.52.18 #       <Bger> :D
14.52.33 #       <Slasheri> it's not done after that but should be ready for commit
14.52.49 #       <tvelocity> great
14.52.54 #       <Slasheri> :)
14.52.57 #       <tvelocity> i think I should donate
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14.53.27 #       <HCl> ashridah: new version up, with new sorting algorhythms :/
14.53.35 #       <HCl> i do hope this one will work now :/
14.55.31 #       <HCl> oh wait
14.55.43 #       <ashridah> might take me a while to get it. checking out a new copy of rockbox-devel 
14.55.45 #       <HCl> there, now its up
14.55.58 #       <HCl> thats okay, i had forgotten to copy the correct version from incoming
14.56.02 #       <ashridah> heh. my system hadn't finished logging into your ftp :)
14.57.05 #       <webguest94> hello.
14.57.30 #       <webguest94> Can anyone confir/deny: I'm upgrading HDD on recorder10 to 40mb
14.58.12 #       <webguest94> I formatted fat32 on w98, then copy all files to new hd from old hd. Anything else?
14.59.33 #       <LinusN> sounds about right, provided you partitioned it correctly
15.00.23 #       <webguest94> ? iI just made one big fat32
15.00.43 #       <ashridah> HCl: seems to work now
15.00.46 #       <HCl> great!
15.00.52 #       <HCl> pheew
15.00.58 #       <HCl> i was stressing there for a bit
15.01.09 #       <HCl> can you look around everything see if there are any bugs left?
15.01.12 #       <HCl> any glitches
15.01.32 #       <HCl> i'm never using a treeset for sorting again ;p
15.01.42 #       <HCl> it was removing "duplicates"
15.02.04 #       <ashridah> well. no. since i just made the mistake of selecting a song in the Songs list
15.02.12 #       <ashridah> and now the hard drive is grinding non-stop
15.02.17 #       <HCl>  :x
15.02.30 #       <ashridah> hm. no. drive stopped. player's still hung tho
15.02.34 #       <LinusN> webguest94: does your hd have a partition table with one primary FAT32 partition?
15.03.18 #       <webguest94> yes, exactly
15.03.35 #       <LinusN> webguest94: that should be it
15.03.42 #       <LinusN> is there a problem?
15.04.30 Part    LinusN
15.05.02 #       <webguest94> don't know yet, I'm still copying mp3s off of cdroms to take advantage of the faster xfer speed while it's on the ide adapter. The recorder I have is only USB1.1
15.05.13 #       <ashridah> HCl: yeah. trying to play a song definently doesn't work that well :)
15.05.16 #       <ashridah> but the list seems to look okay
15.05.22 #       <HCl> ok :)
15.05.23 #       <ashridah> generation seems to take a fair whack less time too
15.05.30 #       <HCl> it does?
15.05.32 #       <HCl> compared to perl?
15.05.37 #       <HCl> or?
15.05.45 #       <HCl> wait o.o perl didn't do ogg.
15.05.48 #       <HCl> what? o.o
15.05.52 #       <ashridah> compared to earlier versions :)
15.05.57 #       <HCl> oh.
15.06.02 #       <HCl> i wouldn't know, i didn't change that much
15.06.05 #       <ashridah> the new sorter sucks less
15.06.09 #       <HCl> okay
15.06.11 #       <ashridah> real    0m9.595s
15.06.11 #       <ashridah> user    0m7.795s
15.06.11 #       <ashridah> sys     0m1.616s
15.06.14 #       <ashridah> before it was taking ages
15.06.32 #       <ashridah> (of course, i foolishly don't have a copy of an older version)
15.07.14 #       <ashridah> but anyway, my collection has 2054 files, of mp3 and ogg 
15.07.19 #       <HCl> not bad
15.07.30 #       <HCl> let me try to run it on my iriver
15.07.37 #       <HCl> i don't have ogg
15.07.37 #       <HCl> but
15.07.42 #       <HCl> it should fix all the bugs of the old songdb
15.08.11 #       <ashridah> it definently displays entries for oggs
15.08.20 #       <ashridah> of course, still tosses exceptions for the files that don't have tags
15.08.24 #       <HCl> yea
15.08.28 #       <HCl> i'll get that debugging out soon
15.09.09 #       <HCl> and i do need a progress thing like the old one :p
15.12.04 #       <HCl> ah, its done
15.12.17 #       <HCl> sorting :X
15.12.51 #       <HCl> done..
15.13.47 #       <HCl> bah, it still has that yPW bug
15.13.51 #       <HCl> odd.
15.13.56 #       <HCl> doh.
15.14.00 #       * HCl whacks himself upside the head XD
15.14.07 #       <HCl> i'm dumb o.o
15.14.20 #       <HCl> not copying the new database to my iriver :p
15.14.22 #       <ashridah> question
15.14.25 #       <HCl> mmm?
15.14.57 #       <ashridah> if i change the volume a chunk in rockbox, why does it keep slowly raising or lowering after i STOP ?
15.15.28 #       <HCl> no idea..
15.15.33 #       * HCl bites java
15.15.41 #       <HCl> its failing to sort songs..
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15.17.57 #       <ashridah> you're right. it's just output them in read order
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15.18.58 #       <HCl> yea, let me fix stuff..
15.25.51 #       <HCl> wow.
15.25.58 #       <HCl> i think its faster than the perl one, not 100% sure yet
15.26.03 #       <HCl> its pretty fast
15.26.06 #       <HCl> i added progress
15.26.07 #       <ashridah> heh
15.26.23 #       <HCl> its going throug it pretty fast
15.27.44 #       <HCl> hm, thats odd.
15.27.52 #       <HCl> it sorted really quickly, but it stalls at the end
15.27.56 #       <HCl> i thought it stalled cause it was sorting
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15.28.44 #       <ashridah> which sorting algorithm are you using?
15.28.45 #       * HCl will have to find out why it stalls in the end
15.28.50 #       <HCl> no idea. the java default one.
15.28.54 #       <HCl> its not the sorting thats slow
15.29.04 #       <HCl> it just. almost skipped through the sorting as if it didn't sort
15.29.08 #       <HCl> maybe it didn't.
15.29.10 #       <HCl> *checks(
15.30.14 #       * niobos is back
15.32.53 #       <HCl> yay
15.32.54 #       <HCl> it sorted
15.32.55 #       <HCl>  :)
15.33.22 #       <HCl> no idea why it didn't before, but i rewrote it and it should be faster too.
15.33.42 #       <HCl> let me upload it
15.33.53 #       <bobTHC> you use the tuboBM sorter ?
15.33.57 #       <HCl> no.
15.34.00 #       <HCl> just the java default one
15.34.03 #       <HCl> and its taking near 0 time
15.34.06 #       <bobTHC> bubble
15.34.07 #       <HCl> so its more than fast enough
15.34.14 #       <HCl> the default java one is *not* bubble :P
15.34.23 #       <HCl> its probably mergesort or something like that
15.34.29 #       <bobTHC> oki
15.34.37 #       <ashridah> yeah, bubble sort doesn't scale too well :)
15.34.44 #       <niobos> quicksort?
15.34.51 #       <HCl> mergesort is better than quicksort
15.35.05 #       <niobos> donno... I learned in school that quicksort was the quickest...
15.35.07 #       <HCl> ashridah: can you give the current one a try?
15.35.09 #       <bobTHC> but the best is Turbo BM
15.35.13 #       <niobos> didn't learn mergesort...
15.35.16 #       <HCl> niobos: yea, but then mergesort came along :)
15.35.21 #       <HCl> mergesort is very much like quicksort
15.35.27 #       <HCl> only, rather than choosing a random pivot point
15.35.30 #       <HCl> you choose the middle
15.35.39 #       <HCl> so it has an average complexity of n*log(n)
15.35.42 #       <niobos> middle element? or middle value?
15.36.12 #       <HCl> quicksort takes an element, and splits the list into elements that are lower than that element and higher than that element
15.36.15 #       <ashridah> yeah. you keep merging with larger and larger chunks
15.36.21 #       <HCl> it has an average complexity of n*log(n)
15.36.27 #       <HCl> but a worst case complexity of n^2
15.36.37 #       <HCl> mergesort has both average and worst case n*log(n)
15.36.39 #       <HCl> anyways.
15.36.46 #       <HCl> ashridah: check out the last version?
15.36.47 #       <niobos> i'll google for it
15.36.54 #       <ashridah> HCl: leeching atm
15.36.56 #       <HCl> k :)
15.37.01 #       <HCl> it should be much userfriendl
15.37.02 #       <HCl> y
15.37.05 #       <HCl> mostly due to printing progress
15.37.10 #       <ashridah> niobos: wikipedia probably has a decent description 
15.37.31 #       <niobos> ashridah: k, i'll look there... after this chapter of electromagnetism :-(
15.38.35 #       <ashridah> 12 seconds total
15.39.06 #       <ashridah> 7 seconds user
15.39.13 #       <ashridah> not too shabby
15.41.13 #       <preglow> there is no "best" sorting algo
15.41.21 #       <preglow> it all depends on your data
15.41.34 #       <ashridah> yeah, it's a time v memory tradeoff
15.43.11 #       <HCl> mhmp
15.46.35 #       <HCl> ashridah: check that its sorted now?
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15.48.12 #       <ashridah> yeah
15.48.14 #       <ashridah> it is
15.48.53 #       <HCl> k
15.49.05 #       <HCl> sorting songs within albums still needs to be done
15.49.12 #       <HCl> but i think its pretty ok
15.49.20 #       <HCl> i need to add the options..
15.55.31 #       * HCl goes to fix sorting songs within albums.
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15.58.39 #       <HCl> hmm.
15.58.47 #       <HCl> songs in an album need to be sorted by track, correct?
15.58.58 #       <HCl> and if there are no track numbers.. filename?
15.59.03 #       <Lost-ash> imho, yes
15.59.17 #       <crwl> definitely
16.00.36 #       <HCl> return s1.getFile().getFile().getName().compareTo(s2.getFile().getFile().getName());
16.00.39 #       <HCl>  :P
16.00.50 #       <preglow> now THATS clarity
16.00.59 #       <preglow> just because fucking sun doesn't like operator overloading
16.01.14 #       <HCl> well
16.01.22 #       <HCl> compareTo is actually a function that returns -1, 0 or 1
16.01.29 #       <HCl> so it wouldn't be an operator anyways
16.01.32 #       <preglow> no?
16.01.34 #       <preglow> why not?
16.01.45 #       <preglow> could have made the operator return those as well
16.01.51 #       <preglow> :-)
16.01.57 #       <HCl> because it returns a value saying its less, equal, or greater
16.01.58 #       <HCl> anyways
16.02.14 #       <HCl> all thats left is adding an commandline interface for the options
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16.02.23 #       <preglow> no matter, i still hate java for not having operator overloading
16.02.24 #       <HCl> and then i can move on to extending it
16.06.02 #       <Bger> preglow, yes, that's silly
16.06.25 #       <preglow> especially when they claim not having it helps readability....
16.06.37 #       <Bger> haha
16.06.44 #       <preglow> Matrix lol1 = lol2.Mult(lol3); is a lot clearer than Matrix lol1 = lol2*lol3; surely
16.07.37 #       <HCl> i dunno.
16.07.50 #       <HCl> coming from the java corner, i'd prefer the first
16.07.55 #       <HCl> cause it shows that a function is getting called
16.07.59 #       <HCl> and its not a small operation
16.08.10 #       <Bger> hah
16.08.20 #       <Bger> but that's one of OO's advantages ...
16.08.27 #       <Bagder> coming from a corner "don't hide what's happening", I prefer the first one too
16.08.43 #       <HCl> Bagder: yea, that was the idea behind not having operator overloading in java
16.08.44 #       <Bger> Bagder i don't think that it's hidden ...
16.08.47 #       <Bagder> but then I dislike most OO stuff that hides
16.08.58 #       <preglow> unless you're braindead, you know something's happening there
16.09.06 #       <Bagder> in fact, OO is pretty much made to hide where things happen
16.09.09 #       <Bagder> :-)
16.09.12 #       <Bger> it's obvious that it's not normal multiplication
16.09.19 #       <Bger> Bagder that's what i mean...
16.09.46 #       <niobos> OO is made to make it easyer... if I want to multiply 2 things I use *; I don't care HOW that multiplication is done, just DO it
16.09.49 #       <Bger> if you don't like hiding things, you don't like and OO
16.10.11 #       <preglow> having to spell out in bloody detail everything you do is why i hate languages like python
16.10.31 #       <preglow> nothing is hidden, alright, but it makes me want to kill myself
16.10.38 #       <Bagder> hehe
16.10.46 #       <Bger> and why like languages like asm (especially coldfire's one)
16.10.47 #       <Bger> :P
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16.11.30 #       <tvelocity> python is my preciouussssss:P
16.11.51 #       <crwl> what about python interpreter as a rockbox plugin :PP
16.12.17 #       <tvelocity> that would truly ROCK... would make writing plugins extremely easy!
16.12.27 #       <preglow> over my dead body!
16.12.31 #       <preglow> now a perl interpreter...
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16.12.35 #       <crwl> ehheh
16.12.36 #       <tvelocity> but propably won't make any sense perfomance wise:P
16.12.41 #       <niobos> < preglow> nothing is hidden, alright, but it makes me want to kill myself
16.12.44 #       <niobos> < preglow> over my dead body!
16.12.49 #       <niobos> hmm... coincidence?
16.12.59 #       <Bagder> hahaha
16.13.05 #       <bobTHC> :)
16.13.17 #       <crwl> heh
16.13.46 #       <tvelocity> i think a custom BASIC language would make sense... more expierienced coders could use pure C anyway...
16.14.04 #       <HCl> do we want unexperienced coders making plugins?
16.14.10 #       <tvelocity> ok, i'm just a n00b, now i'll stfu :)
16.14.26 #       <Bagder> feel free to make one
16.14.31 #       <Bagder> we can have all those languages
16.15.32 #       <niobos> keep your voice down... or we'll be having LISP-plugins soon...
16.15.37 #       <preglow> NOOO
16.15.40 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16.15.40 #       * preglow gets rope
16.15.44 #       <tvelocity> hey how about MONO?
16.15.46 #       <niobos> ((I) (can't) (stand) (all) (those) ()())
16.15.51 #       <Lost-ash> lua lua lua lua lua lua lua lua!
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16.15.54 DBUG    Enqueued KICK ashridah
16.15.58 #       <tvelocity> BASH!
16.16.07 #       <ashridah> awk
16.16.07 #       <tvelocity> we can't do without bash, can we?:P
16.16.08 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
16.16.08 #       * ashridah nods
16.16.12 #       <crwl> brainfuck or whitespace?
16.16.13 #       * niobos just missend an oportunity to stfu
16.16.16 #       * ashridah does the grep/awk/sed
16.16.16 #       <preglow> and then everyone went mad
16.16.21 #       <Lynx_> well, a simple scripting system for all rockbox functions would be nice!
16.16.32 #       <tvelocity> mirc scripting!
16.16.41 #       <crwl> visual basic macros!
16.16.52 #       <tvelocity> yeah!:P
16.17.09 #       <Bger> javascript! :P
16.17.15 #       <niobos> crwl: hmm... might be difficutlt to get all the security holes in it...
16.17.35 #       <tvelocity> now Bger you have to name a language that is lamer than VB, that how the game works... right?
16.17.49 #       <tvelocity> s/now/no/
16.18.14 #       <tvelocity> ok i found it
16.18.19 #       <tvelocity> DOS batch files
16.18.29 #       <preglow> visual basic makes baby jesus want to vomit with rage
16.18.30 #       <niobos> well, why not Windows Scripting HOst?
16.18.31 #       <ashridah> z80 assembly
16.18.34 #       <tvelocity> rockbox would be like crippled without .bat file support :)
16.18.42 #       <preglow> ashridah: rockboy already does that :P
16.18.45 #       <Bagder> now, time to go looong weekend
16.18.49 #       * Bger suggests something more perverse like Scheme or LISP
16.18.54 #       <Bagder> see ya monday night
16.19.01 #       <preglow> let's hope so
16.19.03 #       <ashridah> preglow: fine. arm. 
16.19.05 #       <HCl> brainfuck!
16.19.05 #       <preglow> have a nice weekend
16.19.06 #       <HCl>  :3
16.19.17 #       <Bger> nice weekend, Bagder
16.19.18 #       <crwl> i said brainfuck already ;P
16.19.22 #       <HCl> oh
16.19.23 #       <HCl> crud
16.19.24 #       <niobos> nice weekend
16.19.25 #       <HCl> didn't see that
16.19.25 #       <HCl>  :)
16.19.32 #       <Lynx_> ook then ;)
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16.20.31 #       <XavierGr> Hi all!
16.20.33 #       <tvelocity> wow a fellow geek, er, i meant greek
16.20.35 #       <HCl> heyhey
16.20.38 #       * HCl prods Slasheri 
16.20.44 #       <XavierGr> :)
16.21.20 #       <XavierGr> you caught that from the "Gr" extension?
16.21.39 #       <tvelocity> ~XavierGr@ppp27-adsl-228.ath.forthnet.gr
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16.22.03 #       <niobos> actualy he fetched your IP and remembered that it belongs to a greek ISP...
16.22.08 #       <niobos> ;-)
16.22.13 #       <XavierGr> ahh! but the same extension aplies to my nick
16.22.23 #       <tvelocity> yeah obviously
16.22.31 #       <XavierGr> Xavier as a nick is always registered..
16.23.06 #       <XavierGr> what about yours: T velocity or TV elocity? ;p
16.23.26 #       <XavierGr> oh
16.23.30 #       <tvelocity> terminal velocity
16.23.38 #       <tvelocity> it's old PC game
16.23.45 #       <tvelocity> it's a old PC game*
16.24.09 #       <tvelocity> when PC's still sucked and SNES rulled the world :P
16.24.21 #       <XavierGr> Yeah I agree
16.24.21 #       <preglow> snes STILL rules the world
16.24.28 #       <tvelocity> indeed!
16.24.31 #       <HCl> yes :P
16.24.34 #       <XavierGr> though I dont remember terminal velocity as a game
16.24.34 #       <HCl> i have snes on my xbox
16.24.44 #       <bobTHC> http://www.3drealms.com/tv/
16.24.53 #       <tvelocity> i often play snes games on zsnes
16.25.19 #       <tvelocity> i think zelda: a link to the past, is the best video game in known history :P
16.26.23 #       <preglow> mno
16.26.25 #       <preglow> final fantasy 6
16.26.32 #       <HCl> space invaders!
16.27.11 #       <tvelocity> is FF6 better than FF2?
16.27.32 #       <preglow> by far
16.27.47 #       <tvelocity> then I MUST check it ou :)
16.27.50 #       <tvelocity> out*
16.27.56 #       <preglow> it's called FF3 in the us
16.29.09 #       <tvelocity> in the EU too?
16.31.34 #       <preglow> never was released there
16.31.57 #       <XavierGr> oh yes Zelda best ever!
16.31.58 #       * ashridah wants more gb and gbc roms :(
16.31.59 #       <tvelocity> :(
16.32.24 #       <tvelocity> speaking of games, is anyone playing WoW?
16.32.31 #       <ashridah> pity i've got to crash now 
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16.32.48 #       <HCl> flatmate of me plays it
16.33.40 #       <tvelocity> it rulez, but it's a real time burner...
16.33.56 #       <HCl> hehe.
16.34.04 #       <HCl> ultima online is probably worse
16.34.09 #       <tvelocity> i left designing of my LUG website when i started it
16.34.12 #       <HCl> having to water the plants you own every day
16.34.22 #       <tvelocity> omg:)
16.34.49 #       <HCl> WoW is nice, but i'm still waiting for a game to have the flexibility and possibilities of ultima online
16.35.03 #       <HCl> with better graphics
16.35.09 #       <HCl> cause ultima online is 7 years old by now :/
16.35.15 #       <tvelocity> i don't care about graphics
16.35.21 #       <HCl> then you should try uo, heh.
16.35.30 #       <HCl> it gives loads more freedom than wow
16.35.35 #       <HCl> and its free-ish
16.35.38 #       <tvelocity> really?i thought it doesdnt exist a
16.35.42 #       <tvelocity> anymore
16.35.46 #       <HCl> it does.
16.35.53 #       <tvelocity> nice
16.35.57 #       <HCl> a new update got out last november
16.36.08 #       <thegeek> HCl
16.36.09 #       <tvelocity> but i'm allready hooked on wow
16.36.12 #       <thegeek> Guild Wars
16.36.23 #       <thegeek> it's very nice
16.36.29 #       <thegeek> best game I've ever played so far
16.36.37 #       <thegeek> and the only one to keep my attention for more than 2 weeks
16.36.38 #       <tvelocity> from what i've heard, GW is not really a RPG
16.36.44 #       <thegeek> wrong
16.36.57 #       <thegeek> why do you think that?
16.37.17 #       <thegeek> there are so many people leaving wow and joining gw these days
16.37.25 #       <thegeek> it really is a bit better
16.37.34 #       <HCl> wow graphics are great though
16.37.37 #       <tvelocity> well i havent seen it, but i've heard that combat is more action-like
16.37.40 #       <HCl> wish uo had that
16.37.48 #       <thegeek> tvelocity : that is true
16.37.56 #       <thegeek> but it is still very much a rpg
16.38.00 #       <thegeek> mhm
16.38.07 #       <thegeek> is that "an rpg"
16.38.10 #       <thegeek> or "a rpg"
16.38.14 #       <thegeek> I figured "a"
16.38.17 #       <XavierGr> is WoW an rpg?
16.38.20 #       <thegeek> since rpg = role playing game
16.38.20 #       <tvelocity> well, i dont give the title RPG easily to a game
16.38.27 #       <thegeek> role playing game
16.38.41 #       <thegeek> I'd say that covers both wow and gw
16.38.44 #       <tvelocity> i think WoW BARELY is allowed to be called a RPG
16.38.48 #       <thegeek> what?
16.38.50 #       <thegeek> why?
16.39.01 #       <tvelocity> well, it's played on a computer
16.39.08 #       <tvelocity> that's enough
16.39.12 #       <thegeek> ~-.
16.39.14 #       <thegeek> that's lame
16.39.28 #       <XavierGr> I had a fried that said to me that Diablo 2 was concidered an rpg I laughed at him
16.39.29 #       <tvelocity> computer RPGs are not really RPGs
16.39.38 #       <tvelocity> diablo an RPG? LOL!
16.39.38 #       <thegeek> the medium in which the game is presented should not matter imho
16.39.41 #       <XavierGr> I dont think that Diablo2 can be called an rpg
16.39.48 #       <thegeek> I agree that d2 is perhaps on the border of an rpg
16.39.52 #       <tvelocity> thegeek, ir's not a matter of medium
16.39.56 #       <thegeek> but gw is much more advanced than d2
16.40.03 #       <thegeek> I see your point
16.40.08 #       <tvelocity> if diablo is anRPG
16.40.15 #       <tvelocity> then pokemon is an RPG too...
16.40.19 #       <XavierGr> lol
16.40.20 #       <thegeek> I agree that it barely is
16.40.27 #       <tvelocity> actually pokemon is a lot more RPG like than diablo
16.40.29 #       <thegeek> and I do understand what your are saying
16.40.39 #       <tvelocity> it has a lot more RP elements than diablo
16.40.42 #       <XavierGr> I havent seen WoW so I cant really say if it is or not
16.40.54 #       <thegeek> diable is hack'n'slash
16.41.04 #       <thegeek> with a few rpg parts thrown in
16.41.07 #       <XavierGr> I agree
16.41.22 #       <tvelocity> that's what video gamers say
16.41.29 #       <tvelocity> but RP-gamers dissagry
16.41.31 #       <thegeek> old school rpg-ing is ofcourse not compareable to anything played on a computer
16.41.44 #       <XavierGr> But it is the same friend that now plays WoW and he is whining that WoW is so rpg.
16.41.57 #       <HCl> lol.
16.42.00 #       <HCl> from what i saw
16.42.01 #       <thegeek> imho it is;)
16.42.04 #       <HCl> WoW is mostly fighting
16.42.04 #       <tvelocity> well WoW is just RPG like...
16.42.13 #       <thegeek> but it's not the same as an real life rpg
16.42.19 #       <tvelocity> a computer RPG really can't be a rpg
16.42.27 #       <thegeek> well
16.42.30 #       <thegeek> at this point
16.42.40 #       <tvelocity> a computer can;t generate a realistic role playing expierience
16.42.42 #       <thegeek> what we disagree on is just what "rpg" should apply to
16.42.49 #       <thegeek> no point in discussing that any further imho
16.42.50 #       <tvelocity> indeed
16.42.56 #       <tvelocity> you're right
16.42.57 #       <thegeek> it's just a difference of opinion
16.43.04 #       <XavierGr> well FF series I think are rpg (classic ones)
16.43.25 #       <tvelocity> it's really a personal matter, since there is no exact definition of RPG
16.43.49 #       <XavierGr> so what internet says? Is WoW entitled RPG or not?
16.43.58 #       <XavierGr> Because Diablo was an action-rpg
16.44.35 #       <tvelocity> the good thing about WoW is that is has 2 RP servers
16.44.53 #       <tvelocity> where people actually are roleplaying to each other
16.45.11 #       <tvelocity> they can't role play with NPC;s, but at least they role play with other people
16.45.32 #       <tvelocity> so wow at least has *some* role playing involved
16.45.54 #       <tvelocity> propably other mmo's have that too
16.47.51 #       <XavierGr> Hooray I managed to compile rockbox alone!!!
16.48.15 #       <tvelocity> congrats, u just earned 1600 XP
16.48.34 #       <XavierGr> ;D
16.53.06 #       <XavierGr> Hey this Rockbox Development Kit is unbelievable! The cygwin was way too complicated and big to install. 
16.53.33 #       <tvelocity> why don't you just get linux? :P
16.53.49 #       <XavierGr> The DevKit has it all for Rockbox development and it is very small. Someone must update the wiki for the starters as me.
16.54.09 #       <XavierGr> oh and thanks those that pointed it out!
16.54.31 #       <XavierGr> well I have knoppix installed on my iHP-140! ;P
16.54.54 #       <XavierGr> crashed Winodoze PC's be aware...
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17.14.08 #       <HCl> are there any objections against adding the new songdb (in java) to cvs?
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17.22.41 #       <HCl> its silent here o.o.
17.22.44 #       * HCl prods Slasheri 
17.23.05 #       <niobos> i can make some noise... but I doubt if it'll be constructive...
17.24.16 #       <HCl> mmm.
17.24.22 #       <HCl> where'd linus go anyways
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17.24.48 #       <preglow> home?
17.24.59 #       <HCl> mk.
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17.38.09 #       <Slasheri> HCl: now doing some final testing :)
17.38.12 #       <HCl> k :)
17.38.16 #       <preglow> goodiegoodie
17.38.23 #       <preglow> very goodie
17.38.27 #       <HCl> i got everything ready to implement the runtime database
17.38.35 #       <HCl> well, a lot, anyways :p
17.39.07 #       <HCl> its almost trivial to add runtime database to the generation o.o..
17.39.12 #       <thegeek> HCl
17.39.16 #       <HCl> mm?
17.39.18 #       <thegeek> check if your java code compiles using gcc
17.39.21 #       <thegeek> or
17.39.22 #       <HCl> okay
17.39.24 #       <thegeek> gcj or whatever it is
17.39.37 #       <thegeek> I think that would help convince some..;)
17.39.38 #       <thegeek> hehe
17.39.46 #       <HCl>  ;p
17.40.00 #       <HCl> well, my primary goal is to get a maintainable tool that will do the job
17.40.01 #       <preglow> i don't even have gcj
17.40.03 #       <preglow> :<
17.40.05 #       <thegeek> hehe
17.40.21 #       <thegeek> I dont mind java all that much
17.40.28 #       <thegeek> but I can see why other don't want it
17.40.38 #       * HCl installs gcj
17.40.39 #       <thegeek> I run windows on my main desktop so it's not a problem
17.41.08 #       <HCl> sameish
17.42.10 #       <thegeek> but I'm not that keen on installing it on my server
17.42.16 #       <thegeek> I'd do it
17.42.23 #       <niobos> If you give me a Java-source, I could port it to C++, given some time and maybe support on non-commented code
17.42.35 #       <preglow> if you're going to port it to anything, please make it c
17.42.41 #       <preglow> then rockbox can use it as well
17.42.47 #       <tvelocity> C pwnz :)
17.42.48 #       <thegeek> true
17.42.51 #       <thegeek> that'd be nice
17.42.54 #       <HCl> sure
17.42.56 #       <thegeek> doing it on the iriver itself
17.42.56 #       <preglow> being able to regenerate the db from rockbox would be nice
17.42.58 #       <niobos> hmm, wasn't the point of using Java to get OO-code?
17.43.12 #       <preglow> that's just a coding aid for hcl
17.43.16 #       <preglow> not a point in itself
17.43.22 #       <HCl> you can do OO in c
17.43.23 #       <niobos> Well, I'll try C then...
17.43.24 #       <HCl> with structs
17.43.25 #       <preglow> we'd rather it is c for rockbox, it being embedded and all
17.43.42 #       <niobos> shouldn't be too hard, I guess...
17.43.45 #       <HCl> i'll just pack the .java in with the .jar
17.43.55 #       <tvelocity> you can do OO in any language, it's a matter of the language being designed for OOP actually..
17.44.07 #       <HCl> OO in brainfuck...
17.44.08 #       <HCl> mmm
17.44.11 #       <HCl> i think you need at least pointers
17.44.11 #       <niobos> sure, but I don't like to try OO in eg BASIC...
17.44.12 #       <HCl>  ;p
17.44.18 #       <tvelocity> indeed
17.44.35 #       <niobos> The only thing that might be a problem is the tag-reading lib's
17.44.44 #       <tvelocity> but there are object systems for C
17.44.47 #       <thegeek> hehehehe
17.44.50 #       <tvelocity> like Gobject
17.44.52 #       <niobos> which might be C++
17.44.53 #       <thegeek> that'd be fun HCl
17.45.17 #       <thegeek> I can't imagine the _true_ brainfuck that would be
17.45.33 #       <thegeek> not to mention it would do wonders for maintainability;)
17.45.37 #       <HCl>  :P
17.45.47 #       <thegeek> btw
17.46.06 #       <thegeek> has anyone got any experience with air shipping from hongkong?
17.46.12 #       <thegeek> my package left yesterday
17.46.12 #       <HCl> yes.
17.46.16 #       <thegeek> how long would it take?
17.46.16 #       <HCl> i do, actually
17.46.20 #       <HCl> it took 11 days
17.46.21 #       <HCl> for me
17.46.22 #       <thegeek> I've only used ground before
17.46.23 #       <thegeek> ok
17.46.31 #       <thegeek> my new dac:)
17.46.42 #       <HCl> i got my new battery from hongkong :)
17.46.45 #       <thegeek> ah
17.46.47 #       <HCl> 13 euro including shipping :P
17.46.53 #       <thegeek> I bought an xbox psu once
17.47.01 #       <thegeek> I blew up the original
17.47.01 #       <thegeek> hehe
17.47.02 #       <tvelocity> 13euro?!
17.47.07 #       <HCl>  yes :p
17.47.20 #       <tvelocity> are they making any profit?:P
17.47.20 #       <niobos> including shipping? what would that be WITHOUT shipping?
17.47.26 #       <HCl> 6 euro
17.47.32 #       <HCl>  :p
17.47.43 #       <thegeek> was it not for the long delay in shipping
17.47.52 #       <thegeek> I would buy a lot more from hongkong
17.48.05 #       <HCl> niobos: latest download has the source in the .jar
17.48.13 #       <niobos> what was the url again?
17.48.20 #       <HCl> ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/SongDB.jar
17.48.44 #       <HCl> also. the backend is *bloated*
17.48.48 #       <HCl> it could use some stripping :/
17.49.18 #       <HCl> i haven't quite tested this version yet, but it should work great
17.49.23 #       <HCl> i haven't added comments though.
17.49.32 #       <preglow> i don't take it, what about a tag reading library makes it a backend?
17.49.40 #       <preglow> s/take/get
17.50.09 #       <HCl> something that provides core functionality that you depend on yet haven't written = backend o.o
17.50.29 #       <preglow> makes...... sense...
17.52.01 #       <niobos> HCl: is there a plact that I can find some schematics or somthing about the file format?
17.52.15 #       <niobos> or should your code be sufficient?
17.53.23 #       * niobos should notice that I'm supposed to study for my exams... so the coding might take a while...
17.55.07 #       <niobos> for the record: for command-line options: what is your prefered format:
17.55.08 #       <HCl> niobos: there is
17.55.14 #       <niobos> -a -b -c?
17.55.16 #       <HCl> niobos: on the wiki, DatabaseV2
17.55.21 #       <niobos> -abc?
17.55.23 #       <niobos> --abc?
17.55.25 #       <HCl> --abc
17.55.54 #       <niobos> only use long options? or also provide -a shorthands for --append (or whatever)?
17.56.10 #       <HCl> only long
17.56.15 #       <niobos> k
17.56.19 #       <HCl> just the same like the old songdb.pl
17.56.29 #       <HCl> keep in mind the java version isn't finished yet
17.56.37 #       <HCl> and it still needs stuff added
17.56.39 #       <niobos> haven't tried that one...
17.56.57 #       <niobos> k, but the C version won't be finished today either...
17.56.57 #       <HCl> titania:/home/hcl/rockbox/rockbox-devel/tools# ./songdb.pl
17.56.57 #       <HCl> songdb --path <dir> [--dirisalbum] [--dirisalbumname] [--db <file>] [--strip <path>] [--add <path>] [--verbose] [--help]
17.57.11 #       <HCl> yea, just saying that you should keep account of it in your design
17.57.32 #       <HCl> pretty much the only things that are gonna get added is more taginfo stored in the song structure, and reading in an old run/tagdatabase
17.58.10 #       <HCl> that reminds me.
17.58.20 #       <HCl> i need to get hashing to work before i'm able to read in the old runtime db
17.58.24 #       * HCl prods rasher 
17.58.30 #       <HCl> what do you got for me?
17.58.57 #       <niobos> well, I'll be checking that DBv2 page and see if I have any more questions
17.59.36 #       <HCl> okies
18.00.24 #       <HCl> it'll have to be renamed to database soon, since "v3" is imminent
18.01.00 #       <niobos> we're talking about the TAGdb, right? not about the runtimedb?
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18.01.48 #       <DomZ> hi
18.01.57 #       <HCl> well, pretty much. they're connected at least somewhat.
18.02.13 #       <HCl> the tagdatabase storing offsets of the entries in the runtimedb
18.02.17 #       <HCl> hello
18.02.30 #       <DomZ> i have tried the SongDB.jar and i have the following error
18.02.35 #       <DomZ> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrateur\Bureau>java -cp SongDB.jar SongDB
18.02.35 #       <DomZ> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.UnsupportedClassVersionError: SongDB (Unsup
18.02.35 #       <DomZ> ported major.minor version 49.0)
18.02.35 DBUG    Enqueued KICK DomZ
18.02.35 #       <DomZ>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass0(Native Method)
18.02.35 #       <DomZ>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.35 ***     Alert Mode level 1
18.02.35 #       <DomZ>         at java.security.SecureClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.37 ***     Alert Mode level 2
18.02.37 #       <DomZ>         at java.net.URLClassLoader.defineClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.39 #       <DomZ>         at java.net.URLClassLoader.access$100(Unknown Source)
18.02.41 #       <DomZ>         at java.net.URLClassLoader$1.run(Unknown Source)
18.02.43 #       <HCl> hrm.
18.02.43 #       <DomZ>         at java.security.AccessController.doPrivileged(Native Method)
18.02.45 #       <DomZ>         at java.net.URLClassLoader.findClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.47 #       <DomZ>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.47 #       <HCl> means you're using an old version of java.
18.02.49 #       <DomZ>         at sun.misc.Launcher$AppClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.51 ***     Alert Mode level 3
18.02.51 #       <DomZ>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClass(Unknown Source)
18.02.53 #       <DomZ>         at java.lang.ClassLoader.loadClassInternal(Unknown Source)
18.02.55 #       <DomZ> sorry ;)
18.02.59 #       <HCl> its not really official yet either
18.03.03 #       <HCl> but its a good point
18.03.06 #       <HCl> i'll recompile with 1.3
18.03.10 #       <DomZ> humm ok
18.03.13 #       <HCl> to support older versions
18.03.20 #       <DomZ> thanks a lot
18.03.22 #       <HCl> code should be 1.3 compatible
18.03.38 #       <DomZ> but i think i have at least 1.4
18.04.07 #       <DomZ> 1.4.2
18.04.15 #       <DomZ> this is the version i have
18.04.16 #       <HCl> yea, i used 1.5.0..
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18.04.20 #       <HCl> let me get an older sdk
18.04.24 #       <DomZ> ah ok
18.04.47 #       <niobos> HCl: just to check if I get it right: the album-part contains (per album) a fixed-length array of songs?
18.05.08 #       <HCl> yup
18.05.09 #       <niobos> so if I have 1 album with 100 songs and another with 1 song, It'll take up 99 0x00000000's?
18.05.14 #       <HCl> yup
18.05.18 #       <DomZ> :))
18.05.33 #       <niobos> hmm... seems a bit stupid to me, but it'll be my small brain
18.05.46 #       <HCl> its the only way we can still search quickly through the database
18.05.52 #       <niobos> true...
18.06.07 #       <niobos> well, my sister's player has another nice DB-structure...
18.06.13 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, about 5 bugs fixed now.. Should be stable soon :)
18.06.16 #       <niobos> well, it's not worthy the name DB:
18.06.29 #       <niobos> it just generates a m3u list for eacht album
18.06.37 #       <HCl> that won't do ;p
18.06.38 #       <DomZ> thanks a lot Slasheri !
18.06.39 #       <niobos> and let's the file-system-driver do the "lookup"
18.06.47 #       <Slasheri> DomZ :)
18.06.53 #       <HCl> have you looked at the searchengine that works on the database?
18.06.59 #       <niobos> not yet
18.07.03 #       <HCl> it can do stuff like
18.07.32 #       <HCl> (title starts with "Moon" or artist equals "air") and year > 1980
18.07.41 #       <HCl> just simple m3u playlists won't do ;p
18.07.46 #       <niobos> true
18.07.47 #       <DomZ> i think the space is not the problem for H series
18.08.02 #       <DomZ> the disk space
18.08.12 #       <DomZ> ihmo :)
18.08.14 #       <niobos> no, but it IS a waste of space to have 1000 songs with album "unknown" and loose much space
18.08.25 #       <HCl> yea, largest database i've seen so far is 6mb
18.08.36 #       <HCl> which isn't that much compared to 20 or 40 gb
18.08.41 #       <niobos> true
18.08.41 #       <DomZ> yes but if this is the faster way
18.09.03 #       <niobos> k, I agree... let's waste space for speed... it's always a tradeoff
18.09.15 #       <DomZ> ;)
18.10.08 #       <niobos> (i might check the code first, but I'm lazy): what to do with various-artist-albums?
18.10.11 #       <HCl> i'll just get 1.4.2
18.10.26 #       <HCl> niobos: they should work with current design...
18.10.34 #       <HCl> album keys are based on albumname + directory name
18.10.39 #       <HCl> there's an option to make it directory name only
18.11.03 #       <niobos> but the album-entry has a pointer to an artist-entry, which, obviously isn't defined
18.11.10 #       <HCl> yup
18.11.11 #       <HCl> thats correct
18.11.40 #       <HCl> i'm planning to add an artist "<multiple artists>"
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18.11.51 #       <HCl> and use that for multiple artist albums
18.11.55 #       <HCl> but i haven't gotten around to that yet.
18.12.05 #       <niobos> k, I think I'm getting the struct...
18.12.42 #       <niobos> I'll try to get some C-code together, but, as said before, I "should" be studying for my exams, so I "shouldn't" have much time to do it
18.12.48 #       <HCl>  :p
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18.12.57 #       * HCl starts a small todo list
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18.25.51 #       <HCl> there. multiple artists should be labeled multiple artists now.
18.26.19 #       <tvelocity> isn't various artists more common?
18.26.33 #       <HCl> okay, consider it fixed :)
18.26.59 #       <tvelocity> anyway i didn't sleep tonight... so... goodnight :P
18.29.02 #       <thegeek> remind me to enver start a replaygin reading for 40gb of music _ever_ again
18.29.11 #       <thegeek> I can't abort without loosing all the work done so far
18.29.18 #       <thegeek> *replaygain
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18.30.31 #       <HCl> heh o.o
18.30.33 #       <HCl> whats replay gain?
18.30.51 #       <Stryke`> an intelligent algorithm for volume "normalization"
18.31.16 #       <HCl> ah.
18.31.30 #       <Stryke`> http://replaygain.org/
18.31.35 #       <HCl> you might want to write a tool to enter those values into the runtime database
18.31.36 #       <HCl> someday
18.31.42 #       <HCl> it has support for that
18.31.42 #       <niobos> HCl: are you CapitalVariableName or underscore_variable_name or nothinginbetweenname minded?
18.31.59 #       <HCl> firstLowerThenCapital
18.32.06 #       <niobos> typicaly Java...
18.32.10 #       <HCl> unless its classes
18.32.11 #       <HCl>  :p
18.32.24 #       <niobos> I 'm used to underscore_names, but I'll use firstNotButRestYes
18.32.32 #       <HCl> nah, go ahead
18.32.33 #       <HCl> i don't really mind
18.32.53 #       * HCl is just staring at his various artist code to see whether he sees any bugs
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18.33.41 #       <niobos> the pointers in the file, are bigEndian? or LittleEndian?
18.33.46 #       <HCl> bigendian file offsets
18.33.48 #       <MoosCamaro> Hi all
18.33.58 #       <HCl> hello
18.34.31 #       * HCl throws his latest version online
18.34.44 #       <DomZ> cool
18.34.52 #       <HCl> haven't recompiled with 1.4 yet :/
18.34.57 #       <HCl> it refused to install it, for some reason
18.35.02 #       <DomZ> oki
18.35.03 #       <HCl> i'll look at it again in a bit
18.35.26 #       <DomZ> ok no pb ;)
18.35.44 #       <HCl> but this version has better various artists support, and some code restructurization
18.35.51 #       <HCl> tagdatabase is a nice singleton now, as it should be :)
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18.38.22 #       <niobos> HCl: is there a reason to reserve 32bits to flag the runtime-db dirty?
18.38.33 #       <HCl> archos needs 32bit alignment
18.38.54 #       <preglow> many things do
18.39.00 #       <niobos> k, can I make it <31bit reserved><1bit synced> ?
18.39.11 #       <HCl> um, yea, i think so o.o
18.39.16 #       <niobos> or should it remain DWORD synced?
18.39.23 #       <niobos> k
18.39.32 #       <preglow> does it matter?
18.39.45 #       <niobos> not realy, but it's more extensible in the bit-thing
18.40.09 #       <niobos> else you'd have to define sync=1 means this, sync=2 means that, sync=4 means that...
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18.43.32 #       <HCl> its just a boolean, saying whether the runtime db is synced or not (whether it was available during database creation)
18.50.02 #       <HCl> hm. odd.
18.50.11 #       <HCl> 1.4 fails to compile on my assertions
18.50.13 #       <HCl> *gets them out*
18.54.45 #       <HCl> DomZ: try now?
18.54.50 #       <HCl> after redownloading, ofcourse ;p
18.55.10 #       <DomZ> oki
18.56.13 #       <DomZ> same error
18.56.26 #       <HCl> hm.
18.56.28 #       <HCl> odd.
18.56.38 #       <HCl> using windows?
18.56.47 #       <HCl> windows has a nasty habit of caching ftp files with internet explorer
18.56.50 #       <HCl> even though they have changed
18.57.23 #       <HCl> works here, with 1.4.2_08
18.57.30 #       <HCl> C:\programming\songdbv3j>"\Program Files\Java\jdk1.4.2_08\bin\java.exe" -jar Son
18.57.34 #       <HCl> gDB.jar
18.57.36 #       <HCl> Usage: SongDB <directory>
18.58.42 #       <HCl> i'll bbiab
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19.01.14 #       <DomZ> i'm using a ftp client and this is the same error
19.03.30 #       <DomZ> my exact version is :
19.03.31 #       <DomZ> C:\Documents and Settings\Administrateur\Bureau>java -version
19.03.32 #       <DomZ> java version "1.4.2_04"
19.03.32 #       <DomZ> Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2_04-b05)
19.03.32 #       <DomZ> Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2_04-b05, mixed mode)
19.04.14 #       <DomZ> humm your version is more recent that mine
19.04.29 #       <DomZ> ;)
19.05.04 #       <DomZ> novermind i will updated my jdk with the latest
19.05.15 #       <DomZ> nevermind
19.08.53 #       <preglow> Slasheri: so, how's progress?
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19.13.00 #       <Slasheri> preglow: Now i will take a patch
19.13.11 #       <Slasheri> It should be stable enough for cvs now :)
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19.13.28 #       <Ismo> hurray
19.13.36 #       <preglow> w00t
19.13.47 #       * preglow summons the commiting authorities
19.13.52 #       <MoosCamaro> congratulations super Slasheri :)
19.14.07 #       <Slasheri> ;)
19.14.08 #       <Shagnar> what?
19.14.08 #       <preglow> Slasheri: i'd like to take it for a spin, so lemme know when you've got a patch up
19.14.23 #       <Slasheri> it's still not done but basic wps works for mp3 playback
19.14.34 #       <Slasheri> preglow: ok :)
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19.19.35 #       <amiconn> niobos: rockbox coding style is underscore_names
19.19.40 #       <DomZ> HCl this is working like a charm now ;)
19.20.23 #       <HCl>  :)
19.20.59 #       <HCl> sorry, i wanted 1.4.0, but they only allowed me to download 1.4.2_08 :/
19.21.40 #       <DomZ> ;)
19.22.07 #       <DomZ> this due to big security flaws with older versions
19.22.11 #       <DomZ> this is
19.22.12 #       <Slasheri> now the patch has been updated: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/
19.22.18 #       <Slasheri> (sorry, still separate files)
19.22.25 #       <DomZ> yeahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh :))
19.22.27 #       <HCl> yay.
19.22.32 #       <HCl> too bad linus isn't around
19.23.17 #       <DomZ> Chamois !! :)
19.26.01 #       <preglow> Slasheri: can't you get the new files into the patch?
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19.29.10 #       <crwl> i was about to say that i got illinstr when opening a mp3 file, but then i remembered that i didn't upgrade codec*.rock files
19.30.03 #       <HCl>  :p
19.30.54 #       <DomZ> that could be great to have the file compiled files ;)
19.32.20 #       <niobos> amiconn: k, that's my style too... can I find an overview on the coding style?
19.32.45 #       <HCl> yea, there is one on the wiki
19.32.55 #       <niobos> k, i'll find it
19.34.50 #       <niobos> hmm... no match on "code style" (without quotes)...
19.36.23 #       <Ismo> Slasheri: this is great!
19.36.24 #       <HCl> try looking for submitting patches or so..
19.36.30 #       <Slasheri> preglow: i can but it's very difficult and will take at least about 30 minutes to do.. I don't want to do that
19.36.33 #       <Slasheri> Ismo :)
19.37.22 #       <Ismo> btw, why the volume must be touched once to get sound out?
19.37.22 #       <preglow> hehe
19.37.26 #       <preglow> wps :PP
19.37.30 #       <Ismo> do you know the reason already?
19.37.35 #       <Slasheri> Ismo: yep, that's still a bug
19.37.41 #       <preglow> Slasheri: it only pretends to be seeking, yes? 
19.38.04 #       * HCl has never even seen the wps
19.38.06 #       <Slasheri> preglow: real seeking doen't work yet :)
19.38.16 #       <Ismo> I also noticed that the volume wraps around at 85 or so
19.38.22 #       <preglow> whats the thing beneath the seek bar?
19.38.23 #       <preglow> a level meter?
19.38.28 #       <Ismo> I noticed that by accident of course :)
19.38.34 #       <Slasheri> Ismo: Hmm.. it shouldn't with the new patch
19.38.35 #       <preglow> Ismo: no longer
19.38.50 #       <preglow> that's been fixed ages ago
19.38.50 #       <Ismo> Slasheri: ok, I haven't tried with this patch yet, it was the previous
19.38.57 #       <Ismo> ok
19.39.17 #       <Slasheri> ah :)
19.39.27 #       <Ismo> yep, seems to be working :)
19.39.29 #       <Slasheri> this patch has many improvements
19.39.33 #       <Slasheri> =)
19.39.37 #       <Chamois> hmm
19.39.43 #       <Chamois> sometimes sound stop et restart
19.39.45 #       <Chamois> with the new patch
19.39.45 #       <preglow> do i still have to reboot after a track?
19.39.54 #       <Slasheri> preglow: no, you haven't :)
19.39.59 #       <preglow> yes i do :/
19.40.00 #       <Ismo> stop and play works :)
19.40.04 #       <Slasheri> hmm..
19.40.11 #       <preglow> it chokes vehemently on this file
19.40.21 #       <HCl> we should probably get it in cvs
19.40.23 #       <HCl> and work on it there.
19.40.28 #       <preglow> yes indeed
19.40.31 #       <preglow> agreed completely
19.40.42 #       <DomZ> humm i have to click on stop 2 times for listen a new music
19.40.49 #       <HCl> linus wanted to commit it right?
19.40.55 #       <preglow> DomZ: hey, that's the trick
19.41.01 #       <preglow> HCl: yup
19.41.04 #       <DomZ> oki :p
19.41.06 #       <HCl> okay
19.41.08 #       <HCl> we'll wait for him
19.41.13 #       <preglow> of course
19.41.30 #       <preglow> Slasheri: two stop presses does it :P
19.41.37 #       <preglow> damn, sounds like i've got a couple of bugs going here
19.41.45 #       <preglow> in the mp3 decoder
19.42.14 #       <Slasheri> preglow: Hmm, there might be many bugs out there :) What kind of issues?
19.42.25 #       <amiconn> niobos: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/contributing.html
19.42.27 #       <niobos> HCl: the counters are unsigned, I asume?
19.42.27 #       <preglow> i can hear slight distortion
19.42.41 #       <Slasheri> interesting..
19.42.47 #       <preglow> Slasheri: nothing you need to worry about
19.42.52 #       <preglow> Slasheri: that's probably my fault
19.43.02 #       <preglow> since i did the libmad optimising
19.43.11 #       <Slasheri> =)
19.43.19 #       <HCl> niobos: yes
19.43.23 #       <DomZ> yes i know distortion too
19.43.32 #       <DomZ> arf
19.43.43 #       <DomZ> yes i hear distortion too 
19.43.48 #       <preglow> do you? i can only hear it on one track
19.44.02 #       <preglow> some kind of sample and hold-ish sound on a bassdrum
19.44.03 #       <Slasheri> preglow: try to reboot and play the same song again. Is there still the distortion?
19.44.09 #       <DomZ> that depends on the tracks
19.44.26 #       <preglow> i actually can't hear it any longer
19.44.31 #       <Slasheri> If there is, it's probably due to the decoder
19.44.39 #       <Slasheri> Hmm :/
19.44.39 #       <preglow> yes i can
19.44.42 #       <preglow> it's very subtle
19.44.45 #       <Slasheri> ah
19.44.47 #       <preglow> and it's a libmad bug
19.45.02 #       <Ismo> Slasheri: you've most probably noticed that when you stop a song and start another one you can hear a very short piece of the previous song
19.45.04 #       <preglow> i heard distortion like this all the time while i debugged libmad
19.45.10 #       <Ismo> like that the buffer is not cleared
19.45.13 #       <preglow> it's not
19.45.21 #       <Slasheri> Ismo: yes, i will fix that soon
19.45.31 #       <Ismo> ok :)
19.45.40 #       <Ismo> this is so nice :)
19.45.44 #       <Slasheri> :)
19.46.03 #       <preglow> why is there a loud click at the end of the fade out? :P
19.46.41 #       <amiconn> preglow: Did you get to measure the dc offset (== did you find a suitable cable?)
19.46.42 #       <DomZ> ah i haven't this one :)
19.46.52 #       <Slasheri> preglow: i think that the wps integration is still not complete and that will cause it
19.46.52 #       <preglow> amiconn: still haven't found the extension cable
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19.47.08 #       <preglow> Slasheri: i rather think it's connected to a uda driver bug
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19.47.55 #       <Slasheri> preglow: Hmm.. Might be. Anyway, the wps (or something) fades the volume out when you press stop and after that the volume is set back to the previous level
19.48.06 #       <Slasheri> I think there should be fade in too but there is not..
19.48.09 #       <preglow> ahh, so it's the wps doing it
19.48.54 #       <preglow> then i can probably turn it off as well :P
19.48.59 #       <Slasheri> yep
19.48.59 #       <webguest34> wow... really like to congratulate you slash... I just patched, and it looks awesome!
19.49.02 #       <webguest34> bye bye iriver firmware :-D
19.49.16 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: On archos we don't need a fade in because the MAS employs an internal lowpass to avoid pops/ clicks
19.49.20 #       <preglow> the odds are even lower of me ever booting that again now, yes
19.49.20 #       <Slasheri> webguest34: nice if you liked it :D
19.49.33 #       <preglow> as a matter of fact, i have sworn i wont :P
19.49.35 #       <DomZ> what is the second horizontal bar ?
19.49.41 #       <preglow> level meter, i guess
19.49.43 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: ah, ok.
19.49.55 #       <amiconn> It seems the UDA does not...
19.50.02 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: it would be still nice to have such a feature
19.50.13 #       <preglow> i can code up a lowpass in a jiffy
19.50.19 #       <Slasheri> DomZ: no idea about that
19.50.35 #       <amiconn> preglow: I mean a lowpass filter for the volume setting, not for the actual audio
19.50.40 #       <preglow> amiconn: of course
19.50.42 #       <DomZ> ah ? but so who made it ?
19.50.43 #       <webguest34> I think the second bar is actually a peak meter...
19.50.44 #       <preglow> amiconn: that would be braindead
19.50.45 #       <amiconn> This is in fact trivial
19.51.16 #       <webguest34> btw, is it just me, or does anyone else notice that the firmware seems to take maybe .5 seconds longer to boot? Not really a complaint, just wondering...
19.51.59 #       <DomZ> humm haven't notice that
19.52.02 #       <preglow> me neither
19.52.13 #       <preglow> and i don't usually sit watching it booting anyway
19.52.21 #       <webguest34> hmm... maybe it's my weird compile then... I'll try out the CVS edition when that's released
19.52.29 #       <preglow> but yeah, this works just fine
19.52.34 #       <preglow> hasn't crashed/locked once
19.52.56 #       <Slasheri> webguest34: That might be true, because pcm driver will start dma to play a short sample of zeros (that will remove dc voltage from the headphone output)
19.53.02 #       <DomZ> yes as you ! :)
19.53.14 #       <webguest34> ahhh.... that would explain... thanks!
19.53.36 #       <preglow> so that's where the dc offset comes from
19.55.07 #       <HCl> where is linussss :p
19.55.38 #       <preglow> Slasheri: damn, the boost counter is at 24, i think you've need to call clock down the cpu in places
19.55.46 #       <HCl> lmao!
19.55.51 #       <HCl> well
19.56.07 #       <amiconn> Anyone knowing a nice little coldfire disassembler?
19.56.07 #       <HCl> at some point we'll probably won't want to boost for playback but just keep it at 48 mhz or so?
19.56.14 #       <HCl> amiconn: ida pro
19.56.18 #       <preglow> amiconn: objdump? :>
19.56.31 #       <webguest34> sorry for so many questions, but is there any way to access the file browser while a song is playing?
19.56.43 #       <amiconn> Not a big fat package, but something like tools/sh2d, only for coldfire...
19.56.46 #       <Slasheri> preglow: eventually the boost counter will reset to zero, just watch it for a moment :)
19.56.55 #       <Slasheri> it will not reset before buffering is done
19.57.28 #       <preglow> Slasheri: there's still dc on the headphone jack, btw, i can hear it crackling when i connect/disconnect
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19.58.13 #       <Slasheri> preglow: Hmm, are you sure it's dc and not static voltage?
19.58.27 #       <preglow> of course not, but it's never there with the iriver firmware
19.58.35 #       <preglow> static also tends to discharge
19.58.36 #       <amiconn> preglow: objdump probably won't work on the bare binary, or do I miss something?
19.58.51 #       <Slasheri> Before the sort sample at boot, there was substantial crack when headphones was plugged in
19.58.53 #       <preglow> amiconn: well, it should, somehow, i could never make it though
19.59.02 #       <Slasheri> *short
19.59.34 #       <preglow> forget it
19.59.39 #       <preglow> it's just the same with the iriver now
19.59.45 #       <preglow> but after playing a track it's worse, though
19.59.46 #       <Slasheri> okay :)
19.59.56 #       <preglow> but that's just nitpicking
19.59.57 #       <preglow> forget it for now
20.00.01 #       <Slasheri> :D
20.00.55 #       <HCl> does the database browser work?
20.01.00 #       <HCl> when trying to play songs from it?
20.01.19 #       <crwl> i take it using the filebrowser while playing is still not supported very well 
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20.03.25 #       <Slasheri> crwl: i don't know yet how this should be done. Maybe some iriver related keybinding for the wps has to be added
20.03.45 #       <crwl> Slasheri, to get from wps to filebrowser and back?
20.03.50 #       <Slasheri> yep
20.03.53 #       <crwl> yes
20.04.12 #       <crwl> well, maybe someday ;) 
20.04.51 #       <XavierGr> hi all
20.04.53 #       <Slasheri> yeah. now it's exactly a week ago when i started working for this playback stuff :)
20.04.56 #       <Slasheri> hi
20.05.24 #       <HCl>  :p
20.05.43 #       <MoosCamaro> you are very eficiant ;)
20.05.48 #       <MoosCamaro> Slasheri
20.05.51 #       <HCl> we just need linus
20.05.53 #       <Slasheri> :D
20.10.05 #       <HCl> i need rasher too.
20.10.07 #       * HCl pokes rasher 
20.10.20 #       <thegeek> when have started one song, then stop it, and start another song
20.10.23 #       <XavierGr> what pokes mean?
20.10.27 #       <thegeek> a short part of the first song will play
20.10.32 #       <MoosCamaro> Slasheri: to this rhytme this more should not be much long
20.10.34 #       <MoosCamaro> :)
20.10.37 #       <preglow> thegeek: known bug
20.10.40 #       <thegeek> k
20.10.48 #       <thegeek> great work Slasheri:)
20.11.17 #       <thegeek> I'm listening to coldplay's newest right now:)
20.11.44 #       <preglow> someone should persuade rasher to do some battery lifetime tests with these codecs :P
20.12.20 #       <MoosCamaro> :)
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20.12.33 #       <thegeek> but I'm running it through a cmoy, there is no way I'll risk running dc into my headphones;)
20.12.35 #       <preglow> i expect vorbis gobbles cpu power right now
20.12.49 #       <HCl> mp3 too..
20.13.12 #       <preglow> HCl: not by far as much as vorbis
20.13.27 #       <HCl> more than iriver
20.13.36 #       <HCl> i think thats a pretty good standard to go by
20.13.36 #       <preglow> how'd you know that?
20.13.43 #       <HCl> i don't, i assume :p
20.13.46 #       <preglow> haha
20.13.51 #       <HCl> it still boosts for mp3, right?
20.13.59 #       <preglow> yeah
20.14.05 #       <preglow> a few more small opts and it doesn't need to
20.14.08 #       <HCl>  :)
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20.16.48 #       <amiconn> A quicker method than doing extensive runtime tests would be to monitor the current consumption of the box
20.16.56 #       <HCl> yea.
20.17.12 #       <amiconn> Is it easy to disconnect the battery and put the ampmeter in between?
20.17.22 #       <HCl> fairly.
20.17.28 #       <HCl> i did a battery replacement
20.17.30 #       <HCl> it just has a connector
20.17.34 #       <HCl> that you can detach
20.17.38 #       <XavierGr> I am using rockbox Devikit and I get this error when I try to make the simulator
20.17.41 #       <XavierGr> make[1]: *** No rule to make target `@make'.  Stop
20.17.42 #       <XavierGr> make: *** [all] Error 2
20.17.53 #       <XavierGr> anyone knows what it is?
20.18.36 #       <amiconn> yup
20.18.53 #       <FingerSoup> I've got a question regarding Slasheri's recent work on playback....  Is this the "Multi-Codec Architecture" he's implementing, or is this a "Quick(TM) Hack" to enable playback while we wait?
20.18.55 #       <amiconn> The version of 'sed' included in the devkit is probably too old
20.19.06 #       <XavierGr> :(
20.19.11 #       <XavierGr> anything I can do?
20.19.59 #       <XavierGr> I have downloaded cygwin too but know it cant recognise the "make" function
20.20.04 #       <XavierGr> ^now
20.20.23 #       <HCl> FingerSoup: first
20.21.05 #       <FingerSoup> W00T!  good news!  Thanks!
20.23.10 #       <HCl> incidentally, can we play wavs with it?
20.23.20 #       <preglow> no
20.23.20 #       <XavierGr> amiconn:nevermind I replaced the sed files with those that came with cygwin it is now fixed!
20.23.32 #       <XavierGr> thanks!
20.23.34 #       <preglow> but a wav codec should be quick to whip up
20.23.35 #       <HCl> should be easy to add, no?
20.23.37 #       <HCl> *nods*
20.23.46 #       <HCl> thats something to do when its in cvs
20.23.58 #       <HCl> flac was realtime too, right?
20.24.05 #       <preglow> yes
20.24.08 #       <preglow> wavpack too
20.24.09 #       <HCl> nice, nice.
20.24.16 #       <HCl> we really need linus :/
20.24.33 #       <preglow> he'll come on some time tonight with a bit of luck
20.24.38 #       <HCl>  :)
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20.27.42 #       <XavierGr> what a nick
20.28.19 #       <preglow> why does sound.c have cr lf?
20.28.21 #       <HCl> i've seen worse
20.29.43 #       <FingerSoup> As have I - Nicks that even mentioning will get you /kicked or /banned
20.29.49 #       <FingerSoup> :P
20.30.23 #       <HCl> heh
20.31.38 #       <FingerSoup> ANyways, thanks for the good news.  Just updated the thread on the Mistic River forums with that tidbit of info.  Later all!
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20.33.11 #       <webguest67> argh.. can't understand how to apply Slasheri's "snapshot.patch"
20.33.20 #       <HCl> o.o;
20.33.22 #       <XavierGr> me too :(
20.33.31 #       <webguest67> cant find file bla bla
20.33.32 #       <HCl> patch -p1 < snapshot.patch?
20.33.35 #       <HCl> how hard can it be?
20.33.52 #       <XavierGr> ah I typed patch < snapshot.diff
20.34.00 #       * HCl gets the patch
20.34.07 #       <XavierGr> url again?
20.34.11 #       <XavierGr> :P
20.34.26 #       <webguest67> user@debian-unstable:~/src/rockbox$ patch -p1 < snapshot.diff
20.34.31 #       <webguest67> can't find file to patch at input line 21
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20.35.13 #       <preglow> p0
20.35.34 #       <webguest67> oki.. thanks
20.36.47 #       <amiconn> mrf :(
20.36.58 #       <HCl> sup amiconn ?
20.37.12 #       <amiconn> Can you spell 'sillymas'?
20.37.20 #       <amiconn> Still those recording issues...
20.37.41 #       <HCl> ah..
20.38.14 #       * HCl is gonna try Slasheri's patch
20.38.39 #       <amiconn> Whatever optimisation I try for the transfer loop, it ends in corrupted frames sooner or later
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20.39.19 #       <HCl> O.o..
20.39.21 #       <HCl> hi tomas
20.39.32 #       <t0mas> hi
20.39.43 #       <HCl> sup?
20.40.11 #       <t0mas> new screen :D
20.40.15 #       <HCl> oh?
20.40.17 #       <HCl> what did you get? :)
20.40.19 #       <t0mas> Iiyama E435S-B
20.40.22 #       <t0mas> 17"
20.40.25 #       <HCl> tft
20.40.27 #       <HCl> ?
20.40.31 #       <t0mas> ofcourse
20.40.45 #       <HCl> my next monitor will most likely be an lcd tv
20.41.19 #       <HCl> hey tomas, do you have any oggs?
20.41.29 #       <t0mas> yes I have
20.41.32 #       <t0mas> tested them with iriver
20.41.34 #       <t0mas> it works :)
20.41.45 #       <HCl> care to give the java version of songdb a run?
20.41.52 #       <t0mas> yes I do
20.41.55 #       <t0mas> sorry
20.42.00 #       <t0mas> but I have to reboot first
20.42.04 #       <HCl> kay
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20.45.08 #       <t0mas> back :)
20.45.15 #       <HCl>  :)
20.45.19 #       <HCl> i need more bugtesters
20.45.31 #       <HCl> it feels like it went too easy
20.46.31 #       <HCl> ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/SongDB.jar
20.48.56 #       <XavierGr> what is the url of Slasheri's latest patch? And do you remember where to put each file?
20.49.20 #       <HCl> http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/
20.49.26 #       <HCl> if you look at the top of the patch
20.49.29 #       <HCl> it says where to put the files
20.49.55 #       <XavierGr> yes but is quite brief to understand
20.50.08 #       <XavierGr> it says codec* libs
20.50.21 #       <XavierGr> does it mean allcodec files to libs
20.50.25 #       <HCl> no.
20.50.28 #       <HCl> the top of the patch.
20.50.35 #       <XavierGr> ahhh okay thanks
20.50.38 #       <HCl> look at snapshot.patch with a text editor
20.51.07 #       <XavierGr> now that I have set Rockbox Devkit I will patch it in no time!
20.51.45 #       <XavierGr> eh...actually it's snapshot.diff am I right?
20.52.04 #       <HCl> yea
20.52.05 #       <HCl> sorry
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20.57.35 #       <XavierGr> yeah but codec.c isnt in the ftp so does codecflac !?
20.57.36 #       <HCl> http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/
20.57.40 #       <HCl> http://ihme.org/~miipekk/rockbox/
20.57.48 #       <HCl> woops
20.57.59 #       <HCl> you don't need those
20.58.04 #       <XavierGr> ok
20.58.59 #       <XavierGr> and where do i put the diff file?
20.59.05 #       <XavierGr> and run it
20.59.06 #       <HCl> you don't. you use it to patch it.
20.59.22 #       <XavierGr> anywhere I like? ok
20.59.26 #       <XavierGr> lets see
20.59.53 #       <webguest67> hm.. and how to you play songs? i've applied slaheris patch, but when i press play on a song it jumps to the WPS screen and then 0.5 seconds later back to the file browser?
21.00.30 #       <HCl> you probably didn't install codecs?
21.00.45 #       <webguest67> aha.. .rockbox/codecs ?
21.01.25 #       <HCl> i think so
21.02.00 #       <t0mas> yes
21.02.19 #       <XavierGr> i got the same error. couldnt find file. then it asks: Which file to patch
21.02.39 #       <preglow> -p0
21.03.21 #       <XavierGr> that did it thanks!
21.04.26 #       <amiconn> Hmm :/
21.04.37 #       * amiconn scratches head
21.04.57 #       <XavierGr> what is bothering you amiconn?
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21.05.50 #       <amiconn> Recording issues on archos recorder - it seems I found the 'cpu power eater'
21.05.59 #       <HCl> mmm?
21.06.35 #       <XavierGr> archos?after all this time and still you are developing for it eh?
21.06.37 #       <XavierGr> nice
21.06.59 #       <amiconn> When recording, there is a part of code (turned out it's the peakmeter) which eats almost all cpu power...
21.07.38 #       <amiconn> ...so some operations (like the scan for a free cluster when there is no hint in fsinfo) take much longer than they should
21.07.38 #       <webguest67> hcl: so now i've got the codec rocks in .rockbox/rocks, but it still doesn't work
21.07.57 #       <HCl> no. you need them in /codecs
21.08.02 #       * XavierGr rushes to listen to Rockbox Playing!!!!
21.08.18 #       <webguest67> you mean /.rockbox/codecs ?
21.08.22 #       <HCl> yea
21.08.26 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: I have more than one rockbox'able device
21.09.27 #       <XavierGr> webguest67: we are twins I got the same wps and back
21.10.19 #       * HCl uploads an updated grayrockbox
21.10.48 #       <preglow> new grayscale patch????
21.10.54 #       <HCl> no.
21.11.03 #       <HCl> but i keep a build on my ftp around
21.11.07 #       <webguest67> yea.. mp3 playing
21.11.58 #       <XavierGr> do you have one with Slasheri's Patch?
21.12.38 #       <webguest67> XavierGr: copy build/plugins/codec*.rock to to .rockbox/codecs/
21.15.16 #       <XavierGr> mpa is mp3?
21.15.31 #       <webguest67> xavier: yes
21.16.01 #       <XavierGr> so I will create a folder in the .rockbox directory codecs
21.16.26 #       <webguest67> yes
21.16.59 #       <XavierGr> yeah men thats it!! Woohoo.
21.17.06 #       <XavierGr> Thanks all :)
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21.17.31 #       <Tangleding> hello
21.17.32 #       <Tangleding> :)
21.17.44 #       <Tangleding> congratulation for last patch update
21.17.48 #       <Tangleding> it's way cool
21.17.50 #       <Tangleding> :)
21.18.11 #       <Tangleding> (incidentaly, i've checked about my paypal donation seems it worked)
21.18.12 #       <MoosCamaro> Hi crazy Tang
21.18.12 #       <Tangleding> :)
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21.18.35 #       <Tangleding> Hi Momoos :)
21.18.52 #       <Tangleding> Hi XavierGr too
21.18.55 #       <Tangleding> :)
21.19.10 #       <Tangleding> Mm i'm hareing a live in mp3 lame
21.19.14 #       <Tangleding> seems gapless
21.19.19 #       <XavierGr> hi I have to go now see ya all later!
21.19.25 #       <XavierGr> its perfect!!!!
21.19.26 #       <Tangleding> bye :)
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21.22.33 #       <Tangleding> mm gonna update the fornoobs section if no contrincation
21.22.43 #       <Tangleding> contrindications
21.22.52 #       <preglow> contradictions? :)
21.23.02 #       <Tangleding> sorry i mispelled
21.23.07 #       <preglow> i'll survive
21.23.11 #       <Tangleding> maybe the word isn't correct
21.23.19 #       <preglow> i get what you mean
21.23.21 #       <preglow> update away
21.23.50 #       <amiconn> Imho Tangleding meant contraindications
21.23.56 #       <Tangleding> okay i male it
21.24.00 #       <Tangleding> make
21.24.02 #       <Tangleding> it
21.24.07 #       <Tangleding> thanks amiconn
21.24.08 #       <Tangleding> :)
21.24.56 #       <Tangleding> hum maybe i should wait that the patch is included in CVS?
21.26.36 #       <amiconn> Now I am getting somewhere... I think I've nailed the high cpu consumption of the peakmeter
21.27.26 #       <amiconn> Execution time of the first write() (causing the fsinfo scan) down to ~10 sec (from ~30 sec, and with ~5 sec when no other activity takes place)
21.48.36 #       <HCl> nice.
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22.00.34 #       <Tangleding> dmZ
22.00.45 #       <Tangleding> arf i didn't noticed him before
22.00.52 #       <HCl> i'm bored...
22.01.10 #       <Tangleding> Some problems HCl?
22.01.12 #       <Tangleding> :/
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22.01.16 #       <amiconn> HCl: YOu could work on dynarec? ;)
22.01.19 #       <HCl> waiting for linus
22.01.34 #       <Tangleding> ah for CVS?
22.01.35 #       <HCl> amiconn: i don't think dynarec would be much faster. there are a few routines that could use asm versions
22.01.37 #       <Musicmad> any idea when he'll be back? :)
22.01.53 #       <HCl> and rockboy is no priority at the moment
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22.02.20 #       <Tangleding> lol what's the priority Database?
22.02.30 #       <Tangleding> or sthing else?
22.03.21 #       <HCl> yup
22.03.24 #       <HCl> database
22.05.26 #       <Tangleding> :)
22.05.31 #       <Tangleding> not a bad priority
22.05.33 #       <Tangleding> ;)
22.05.36 #       <Tangleding> (lol)
22.06.14 #       <Tangleding> Linus is waited for comit the patch to CVS or another reason?
22.06.19 #       <HCl> yup.
22.07.07 #       <Tangleding> I see you need the build in CVS to work from it that's it?
22.07.39 #       <Tangleding> Not sure i understand well in fact
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22.08.56 #       <HCl> well, i just want stuff in cvs
22.08.58 #       <HCl> before i work on it
22.14.08 #       <Tangleding> ok finalyy i understood well
22.15.33 #       <Tangleding> guys i've to leave
22.15.50 #       <Tangleding> i'will make the wiki 4noobs update tomorrow
22.16.01 #       <Tangleding>  or sunday at last
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22.35.47 #       <bg_> so do i have to build rockbox myself to put it on my player are are binaries posted somewhere?
22.35.59 #       <bg_> for iriver that is
22.36.02 #       <bg_> h140
22.36.05 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
22.36.16 #       <bg_> thank you sir
22.36.32 #       <Bagder> and bootloader info here => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot
22.37.20 #       <bg_> should i just download the latest binary then or is there a stable version out that i should get?
22.37.36 #       <Bagder> there's no stable release for iriver
22.37.43 #       <Bagder> it is in heavy development
22.38.41 #       <bg_> right, i guess what i meant was stable to the point where it wont just crash upon loading, if its a fresh cvs build which is always a possibility
22.39.24 #       <Bagder> we only have releases and daily builds, no in-betweens
22.39.39 #       <Bagder> and we have no release for iriver
22.39.42 #       <HCl> however, most daily builds won't crash upon loading
22.39.56 #       <bg_> oh
22.40.17 #       <bg_> gotta upgrade my firmware first i guess, no bootloader for 1.60u
22.40.30 #       <Bagder> eh, no
22.40.39 #       <Bagder> you'll get it done at the same time
22.40.58 #       <Bagder> installing the rockbox bootloader implies installing a iriver firmware too
22.41.22 #       <preglow> you need to patch an existing firmware file, might as well get the newest you can find
22.41.26 #       <preglow> which happens to be 1.65
22.41.34 #       <bg_> yeah, thats what im currently doing
22.41.50 #       <Bagder> but there's no need to separately upgrade to that first
22.41.54 #       <Bagder> that's what I meant
22.42.12 #       <bg_> i get it
22.42.22 #       <bg_> ok, so im patching the ihp_120.hex
22.42.30 #       <bg_> and then installing it through the iriver firmware
22.42.32 #       <Bagder> yes
22.42.34 #       <bg_> got it
22.42.43 #       <Bagder> then install the daily build
22.42.51 #       <Bagder> which is a zip to unzip on the disk
22.43.05 #       <preglow> it's better to do that first
22.43.08 #       <Bagder> true
22.44.22 #       <bg_> so i downloaded the bootloader, im guessing its not a patch, but an already patched firmware?
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22.44.47 #       <Bagder> there is no bootloader to download
22.44.53 #       <preglow> of course there is
22.44.59 #       <Bagder> ah the bin
22.45.01 #       <preglow> bootloader.bin qualifies
22.45.12 #       <preglow> bg_: if you use windows, i recommend fwpatcher
22.45.13 #       <amiconn> hi [IDC]Dragon...
22.45.21 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hit there
22.45.23 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: ltnirc...
22.45.23 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hi
22.45.28 #       <Bagder> bg_:  no, that's not an already patched firmware
22.45.29 #       <[IDC]Dragon> true
22.45.40 #       <Bagder> bg_: we don't distribute any such things
22.45.46 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I have less than 0 time these days
22.45.48 #       <bg_> ok, so how do i patch it then?
22.45.56 #       <preglow> bg_: it's in the wiki
22.45.59 #       <bg_> yeah, sorry
22.46.12 #       <Musicmad> bg_ : yeah it's all there. Really easy to follow
22.46.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> "Richtfest" next week
22.46.16 #       <preglow> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot'
22.46.23 #       <preglow> without the apostrophe...
22.47.05 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Do you have at least a little bit f time now?
22.47.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I see amiconn is progressing well on all fronts
22.47.07 #       <amiconn> *of
22.47.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> an hour perhaps
22.47.35 #       <amiconn> I have an Ondio FM build with my new recording code, but my sis can't test atm
22.47.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if I don't fall asleep
22.47.55 #       <amiconn> (no charged batteries)
22.48.01 #       <bg_> will be nice when I dont have to wait 5 minutes for my iriver to boot...
22.48.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> mine should be OK
22.48.08 #       <preglow> oh yes
22.48.09 #       <preglow> it's quite nice
22.48.17 #       <Bagder> ipodlinux seems not so picky about licenses
22.48.33 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-ondiofm.zip
22.48.36 #       <Bagder> seeing that real codec in there
22.49.01 #       * [IDC]Dragon has 3 MBit/s now
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22.49.28 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Please try recording with that. Choose a high bitrate.
22.49.48 #       <amiconn> Watch the MMC icon, i.e. how often it comes on and for how long
22.50.11 #       <amiconn> Finally, check the recording (or make it available somewhere for me to check)
22.50.24 #       <amiconn> I'd prefer independent frames as well
22.50.49 #       * [IDC]Dragon needs to setup an ftp
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22.51.23 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: ftp for what?
22.51.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> upload
22.52.20 #       <preglow> Bagder: most people aren't
22.52.31 #       <Bagder> true
22.52.44 #       <preglow> just tend to ignore them
22.53.13 #       <[IDC]Dragon> will we find immediately what you're looking for?
22.53.13 #       <preglow> Bagder: they also claim the real codec license is gpl compatible
22.53.43 #       <Bagder> I didn't find any such claim, did you?
22.53.48 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I'd just like to know whether it performs as it should
22.53.56 #       <preglow> Bagder: no, but some people claim the claim it :P
22.54.04 #       <preglow> they
22.54.07 #       <[IDC]Dragon> how long should I record?
22.54.11 #       <Bagder> preglow: yeah, I noticed that and tried to find one ;-)
22.54.40 #       <amiconn> There might still be that disk-full problem, but since it also happens with current cvs, I'll ignore that for now and look at it later
22.54.51 #       <amiconn> It may also be gone with my changes
22.55.04 #       <amiconn> You should record for several minutes
22.55.05 #       <[IDC]Dragon> disk-full problem?
22.55.39 #       <preglow> Bagder: i still think faad is a better codec
22.55.45 #       <preglow> Bagder: though my research is pretty limited
22.55.54 #       <amiconn> Yes, when you are recording and the disk gets full, current cvs _sometimes_ overwrites the beginning of the file with the last minute recorded or so
22.56.17 #       <[IDC]Dragon> ah
22.56.26 #       <amiconn> Obviously it is very unlikely to observe this on the jbr; on the Ondio this might happen much more often
22.56.28 #       <Bagder> preglow: I wouldn't know, I've just read the license and discussed that with rasher, and we're pretty convinced it is not gpl compatible
22.56.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> your build has the backlight on all the time
22.56.46 #       <amiconn> My build doesn't have backlight control
22.57.10 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes, but somehow permanently enabled (port setup, I guess)
22.57.21 #       <amiconn> Should I make one including it?
22.57.28 #       <amiconn> I didn't change port setups
22.57.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> that would be nice
22.57.47 #       <preglow> Bagder: then there's even greater reason to just go with faad
22.57.50 #       <[IDC]Dragon> hmm, it should be off by default
22.58.05 #       <Bagder> preglow: indeed
22.58.06 #       <[IDC]Dragon> it was for the other dailies
22.58.08 #       <preglow> Bagder: besides, i've still not forgiven real for realplayer
22.58.14 #       <Bagder> haha
22.58.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but I haven't tried since a while
22.58.27 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: Did you rolo from your build which has backlight control?
22.58.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> rolo and back-boot, both
22.59.05 #       <preglow> that program surely convinved me real hater mankind and seek our extinction
22.59.08 #       <preglow> hates
22.59.09 #       <amiconn> After rolo, I'd expect this, but not on cold boot
22.59.32 #       <HCl> heh
22.59.38 #       <preglow> making aac run well on rockbox will be a bit of a challenge, i believe
22.59.40 #       <HCl> yea, realplayer is awful
22.59.49 #       <preglow> it would be _really_ cool if we could support he-aac
22.59.51 #       <HCl> i don't understand why people ever used it to generate realmedia files
22.59.58 #       <preglow> i believe no other player on the market has enough cpu power for it
23.00.09 #       <preglow> HCl: plain ol' stupidity
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23.03.01 #       <HCl> whats he-aac?
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23.03.33 #       <preglow> aac for lower bitrates
23.03.40 Part    Musicmad
23.03.40 #       <preglow> uses parametric stereo and spectral band replication
23.03.41 #       <HCl> mk
23.03.51 #       <preglow> pretty nice quality
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23.06.25 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-ondiofm-bl.zip
23.06.38 #       <amiconn> +1032 bytes
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23.08.16 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: afk
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23.13.02 #       <HCl> no linus :
23.13.04 #       <HCl>  :/
23.16.26 #       <preglow> try summoning him
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23.19.15 #       * HCl plucks some preglow hair and burns it in a bowl, and casts an evil enchantment to summon forth linus!
23.20.11 #       <HCl> darn
23.20.13 #       <HCl> it didn't work
23.20.13 #       <HCl>  :/
23.20.48 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I'll soon update again - found the probable cause for the overwritten beginning
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23.20.57 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I'm back
23.21.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> recorded ~4 min now, seems ok
23.21.24 #       <amiconn> How does the MMC icon behave?
23.21.26 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the MMC is active for 6 sec all 50 sec
23.21.36 #       <amiconn> Sounds really good
23.21.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> faster than loading
23.21.55 #       <amiconn> ...that's like it should have been for ages, but wasn't
23.22.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> what did you do? / what was wrong?
23.22.52 #       <amiconn> A number of things
23.23.21 #       <amiconn> (1) When the buffer got full, it didn't always flush everything, depending on the ring buffer positions
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23.24.30 #       <amiconn> (2) The peakmeter drew so much cpu power that the first write() on fat32 sometimes took so long that the buffer wrapped meanwhile
23.24.49 #       <amiconn> (when the fsinfo hint was invalid)
23.25.28 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I saw tidbits of the discussion in the logs
23.25.41 #       <[IDC]Dragon> why is peakmeter so busy?
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23.26.13 #       <amiconn> (3) The overwriting of the beginning with the last recorded data happened because the mpeg thread reacted to stray save events (after stop)
23.26.48 #       <amiconn> Peakmeter used to poll in a tight loop, only yield() and peak_meter_peek()
23.27.10 #       <amiconn> peak_meter_peek()  needs quite some time due to i2c communication
23.27.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> we should do a v2.5 release when this is resolved
23.27.34 #       <amiconn> I fixed this by only peeking once per redraw, sleeping in the meantime
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23.28.15 #       <amiconn> In fact, peeking once per redraw is much better than peeking all the time. We don't increase the chance to miss a peak by doing that
23.28.31 #       <[IDC]Dragon> yes
23.28.43 #       <amiconn> The mas saves the highest peak until it is read
23.29.04 #       <[IDC]Dragon> does it really?
23.29.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I remember Kurzhaarrocker cursing
23.30.08 #       <bg_> so i installed the bootloader and iriver files, and when it starts up i just get a blank screen with a little hard drive spinup.  then ill get a backlight if i press buttons and thats it.  Reset it and original firmware loads
23.31.11 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: should I check the recorded file somehow?
23.31.28 #       <amiconn> Listen to it...
23.31.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I did
23.31.49 #       <amiconn> ...and maybe check it with an mp3 check tool
23.31.53 #       <amiconn> I use mp3utility
23.32.00 #       <Bagder> bg_: completely blank?
23.32.07 #       <bg_> yeah
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23.33.05 #       <Bagder> that's not expected
23.33.29 #       <bg_> didnt think so
23.33.44 #       <bg_> but a reset starts the original firmware, so at least its not toast
23.34.12 #       <ghode|afk> hi, are you still waiting for linisn to commit Slasheri's patch?
23.34.20 #       <ghode|afk> +linusn ><
23.34.32 #       <Bagder> bg_: so a blank screen, just a disk spinup and then nothing more?
23.34.39 #       <bg_> correct
23.34.43 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I remember having read somewhere that the mas quasi-peak stores the highest value until it is read, but I can't find it atm
23.34.57 #       <Bagder> ghode|afk: rather simplified, but yes
23.35.29 #       <bg_> just held record and started it, loaded the original firmware fine, some text went up on the screen for < 1 sec
23.36.25 #       <bg_> got rockbox.iriver in root dir as well as .rockbox folder...
23.37.00 #       <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: last frame is tuncated, otherwise ok
23.37.59 #       <amiconn> Last frame truncated happens almost always
23.38.25 #       <amiconn> Rockbox doesn't search for frame start when stopping
23.38.41 #       <amiconn> However, it *shoudl* work on split, but it doesn't
23.38.56 #       <amiconn> I'll investigate further after committing my thread changes
23.40.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> do you have a new test upcoming?
23.40.31 #       <amiconn> I'm just testing on my jbr
23.40.58 #       <amiconn> The new version should fix the overwritten beginning, but that doesn't happen always anyway
23.41.23 #       <amiconn> Obviously you didn't get that
23.41.44 #       <[IDC]Dragon> not with this try
23.42.09 #       <amiconn> Otherwise there would have been a sync error, and an audible 'jump' on playback
23.42.22 #       <[IDC]Dragon> before, I did another one, which couse a disk full
23.42.39 #       <[IDC]Dragon> then I deleted an album
23.43.03 #       <[IDC]Dragon> _the_ album, internal MMC holds about one
23.43.32 #       <[IDC]Dragon> the first recording played shorter than I expected
23.43.33 #       <amiconn> If I am right, this was caused by the file save reacting on stray save events which arrived after the stop event.
23.44.05 #       <amiconn> I have some albums that don't even fit completely on Ondio internal flash
23.44.18 #       <amiconn> Fortunately I have that 2 GB MMC :)
23.44.34 #       * [IDC]Dragon blushes in envy
23.45.07 #       <amiconn> Get a 3 GB ;)
23.45.20 #       <[IDC]Dragon> nah
23.45.35 #       <[IDC]Dragon> is that avail?
23.45.37 #       <amiconn> Btw, my sis now owns an 1 GB card (Transcend MMC plus == MMC 4.0)
23.45.56 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon: I already told you about that taiwan company...
23.46.15 #       <[IDC]Dragon> but not that you can actually buy it
23.46.33 #       <[IDC]Dragon> does the MMC 4.0 have new tricks?
23.46.52 #       <[IDC]Dragon> like, addressing commands > 4 GB?
23.47.17 #       <amiconn> I didn't find any specs so far :(
23.47.48 #       <[IDC]Dragon> I asked, we don't have them in-house
23.48.01 #       <amiconn> MMC4.0 has high speed transfer (4-bit and 8-bit modes in addition to the old compatible 1-bit, and higher clocks as well iirc)
23.48.12 #       <[IDC]Dragon> could order them, but don't find this ethical
23.48.34 #       <amiconn> Those MMC4 cards have more contacts than MMC3.x (in a second row)
23.49.19 #       <[IDC]Dragon> maybe Rocker would like that
23.49.40 #       <[IDC]Dragon> if you can get a 4.0 reader
23.50.17 #       * [IDC]Dragon is sleepy
23.52.05 #       <amiconn> There is a datasheet http://www.transcend.de/Support/DLCenter/Datasheet/TS1GMMC4.pdf
23.52.18 #       <amiconn> However it does not describe the command set
23.52.57 #       <preglow> mmc uses 1 bit transfer?
23.53.25 #       <amiconn> yes
23.54.10 #       <preglow> harcore
23.55.18 #       <preglow> doesn't exactly sound blazingly fast
23.55.57 #       <amiconn> 20 MBit/s maximum (MMC3.x standard)
23.56.08 #       <preglow> well, that isn't bad
23.56.09 #       <amiconn> Faster than USB1.1 :-p
23.56.29 #       <amiconn> In rockbox, we can only read at 3 MBit/s
23.56.37 #       <preglow> thanks to low clockrate?
23.56.53 #       <preglow> or is there a separate mmc controller?
23.57.02 #       <[IDC]Dragon> thankis to stupid USART
23.57.05 #       <amiconn> The SH1 SPI can only run at cpuclk/4
23.57.41 #       <preglow> well, which is it, spi or usart? :P
23.58.08 #       <[IDC]Dragon> a USART in SPI-ish mode
23.58.22 #       <preglow> hmm, never seen that before
23.58.30 #       <[IDC]Dragon> with wrong bit order