--- Log for 24.06.105  Server: brown.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.10 #       <preglow> as long as the aliens don't intercept them, sure
00.00.29 #       <Flemmard> hm
00.00.33 #       <bipple> Im being serious... 
00.00.36 #       <bipple> :| 
00.01.02 #       <bipple> Does the hardware allow such frequency to dip to airplanes 
00.01.03 #       <Flemmard> LinusN, as I understand, lcd_framebuffer contains the "matrix" of the screen?
00.01.11 #       <amiconn> The radio chip can only handle the FM broadcast frequency range
00.01.19 #       <amiconn> 87.5..108 MHz
00.01.30 #       <crwl> less than that, something like 7x...108
00.01.38 #       <bipple> god dammit
00.01.42 #       <amiconn> (and iirc it could also handle the japanese frequency band)
00.01.55 #       <crwl> yes, that's probably it
00.02.00 #       <Plugh_> my FMR hard drive spews RFI in that whole frequency range
00.02.04 #       <bipple> Whats the japanese frequency band ?
00.02.26 #       <Bagder> yes, its from 78
00.02.33 #       <Bagder> I believe our wiki page is wrong
00.02.41 #       <Bagder> someone checked before
00.02.49 #       <bipple> hmmm what uses anything below 98 ?
00.02.52 #       <bipple> 78#
00.03.06 #       <amiconn> 76..91 MHz
00.03.16 #       <amiconn> (from the TEA5767 datasheet)
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00.03.26 #       <Bagder> ok
00.03.33 #       <bipple> Well, what would be broadcast from 76 to about 87... anything 
00.03.42 #       <preglow> bipple: fm radio stations
00.03.56 #       <Plugh_> TV channel 3?
00.04.09 #       <bipple> THe current irver radio only goes to 87 doesnt it ?
00.04.11 #       <preglow> just forget being able to listen to other transmissions than commercial fm radio, i sincerely doubt that's possible
00.04.24 #       <preglow> bipple: that's a firmware restriction
00.04.32 #       <Bagder> bipple: not the japanese version
00.04.46 #       <bipple> That means any stations below 87 cant be recieved ?
00.05.06 #       <bipple> which right handed blue tit did this :| 
00.05.06 #       <n0bby> what stations bellow 87?
00.05.07 #       <crwl> iriver radio goes down to 76 
00.05.23 #       <crwl> you can set the tuner frequency range from the settings, at least in the US firmware version
00.05.24 #       <bipple> Thats what im asking whats below 87... 
00.05.37 #       <crwl> probably no stations in the US or europe
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00.05.56 #       <bipple> awww cheese
00.06.13 #       <bipple> i bought a cheap pair of wireless headphones in spain
00.06.33 #       <bipple> and that cud pick up taxi radio sigansl and radio stations when cars went past 
00.07.00 #       <bipple> I even had somone say down the headphones please turn all mobiles and somthing somthing off.. 
00.07.17 #       <n0bby> those wouldnt be FM
00.07.55 #       <bipple> could i replace the iriver chip with the wirless headphone chip 
00.08.04 #       <preglow> shahaha
00.08.07 #       <preglow> yes, you could
00.08.11 #       <preglow> but it wouldn't work afterwards
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00.08.17 #       <bipple> sweet
00.08.38 #       <bipple>  Does MP3 work properly yet
00.08.48 #       <LinusN> "properly"?
00.08.51 #       <bipple> last time i had rockbox it nearly bricked my player
00.08.57 #       <preglow> hahaha
00.09.00 #       <preglow> i sincerely doubt that
00.09.02 #       <LinusN> how?
00.09.14 #       <bipple> I dont know, took everyone ages in here to fix it... 
00.09.15 #       <Bagder> how can you be near to brick it?
00.09.38 #       <Bagder> since you didn't, we all were as near ;-)
00.09.40 #       <bipple> It started when the MP3 wouldnt play...then it wouldnt boot up
00.09.56 #       <LinusN> bipple: because the battery was low?
00.10.05 #       <Flemmard> LinusN, a small question, why in lcd_framebuffer, we have LCD_HEIGHT/8 ? why /8 ?
00.10.12 #       <bipple> Nah, battery was full, even had the AC plug in 
00.10.18 #       <Bagder> Flemmard: 8 bits per byte
00.10.24 #       <preglow> bipple: after you have flashed it with the bootloader, all danger of bricking is over,
00.10.24 #       <LinusN> Flemmard: each byte has 8 pixels
00.10.25 #       <Bagder> 8 pixels per byte
00.10.46 #       <LinusN> preglow: the v2 bootloader that is
00.10.48 #       <Flemmard> bmp works with vertical lines?
00.10.49 #       <bipple> I had to plug the USB in in the end to get it to boot, then i had to remove all the rockbox files before it would work agen 
00.10.49 #       <Flemmard> o_O
00.11.00 #       <Bagder> Flemmard: no, but the lcd does
00.11.04 #       <LinusN> Flemmard: not bmp, but the iriver lcd
00.11.12 #       <Flemmard> hm
00.11.19 #       <Bagder> echo in here? ;-)
00.11.23 #       <LinusN> hehe
00.11.26 #       <Flemmard> ok thx
00.11.33 #       <LinusN> i have to go
00.11.41 #       <preglow> me too
00.11.41 #       <LinusN> cu around guys
00.11.42 #       * Flemmard will study save_dump function
00.11.43 #       <preglow> later 
00.11.47 #       <Flemmard> cu LinusN
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00.11.48 Part    preglow
00.11.58 #       <Flemmard> screen_dump meme
00.12.41 #       <Flemmard> Bagder: want to try the basis of my draw plugin? :x lol
00.12.58 #       <amiconn> Bagder: As we are on that topic: Do you think it would be useful to add an option to switch FM bands?
00.13.07 #       <Bagder> Flemmard: not right now, busy with other stuff
00.13.12 #       <Flemmard> np ^^
00.13.19 #       <Flemmard> (someone want to test? :x lol)
00.13.20 #       <Bagder> amiconn: probably, yes
00.13.30 #       <amiconn> I guess there'll be not many archoses (or even irivers) in Japan, but someone might travel to Japan...
00.14.25 #       <Jleagle> it will be usefull for people abroad
00.14.25 #       <amiconn> I don't know whether this is possible with the old samsung tuner though, but with the Philips its just flipping a config bit, and adapting the freqency display
00.15.19 #       <bipple> How far is radio finished ?
00.15.39 #       <bipple> I consider radio more important than MP3, i shud of bought a cheap radio really 
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00.15.48 #       <bipple> Radio is like sex on a spoon 
00.16.29 #       <Jleagle> mp3 > radio :P
00.16.50 #       <Flemmard> in rockbox will it be possible to record radio?
00.17.06 #       <amiconn> Should be.
00.17.08 #       <bipple> i thought that was a hardware limit recording it 
00.17.11 #       <bipple> Really ?
00.17.14 #       <amiconn> The hardware does allow it
00.17.24 #       <Flemmard> good
00.17.25 #       <Flemmard> ^^
00.17.26 #       <bipple> what about harddrive noise
00.17.47 #       <Jleagle> you wont get any because there is no mike
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00.18.01 #       <bipple> lol obviosuly
00.18.03 #       <amiconn> There could be interference from the HD
00.18.12 #       <bipple> yeh thats what i meant 
00.18.15 #       <amiconn> Can't tell, never tried the iriver radio
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00.18.36 #       <bipple> Will we be able to select stereo ?
00.18.38 #       <Bagder> I enabled it by accident once
00.18.47 #       <Bagder> couldn't figure out how to get out...
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00.19.02 #       <Moos> Iriver said it's HD interference, but this is the true ?
00.19.28 #       <amiconn> Depends on the grounding
00.19.40 #       <amiconn> Can be different between individual units
00.19.43 #       <Moos> HD and radio can't play simultaneus for iriver
00.19.54 #       <Moos> Iriver Compagny
00.20.09 #       <Moos> but it's possibly lies
00.20.26 #       <bipple> tell me lies tell me sweet little lies (8)
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00.21.05 #       <Jleagle> yer that would be excellent
00.21.15 #       <Jleagle> why would they lie though lol?
00.21.31 #       <bipple> Well it is iriver...
00.21.50 #       <bipple> they promised Firmware upgrades for about 2 years 
00.21.50 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Did someone try AM reception with the samsung tuner back then?
00.21.54 #       <Moos> :) it is a commercial company ;)
00.22.01 #       <Bagder> amiconn: I can't recall any
00.22.06 #       <amiconn> ...or are there some parts missing for AM reception?
00.22.13 #       <amiconn> The chip is AM/FM
00.22.13 #       <bipple> Most they did since is change the version number on the boot screen 
00.22.14 #       <Jleagle> yer true lol
00.22.37 #       <bipple> It can recieve AM ?
00.22.47 #       <bipple> I was just told it could recieve FM 
00.23.05 #       <bipple> next ill hear it can recieve MW and LW
00.23.46 #       <amiconn> bipple: I'm talking about the samsung tuner chip used in archos fm recorder and old Ondio fm
00.23.52 #       <Bagder> you guys should pay attention
00.24.12 #       <bipple> im a girl 
00.24.17 #       <amiconn> Newer Ondio FM has the same chip as the iriver, Philips TEA5767, and that can do FM only
00.24.38 #       <bipple> choddy old iriver shines thru agen 
00.25.49 #       <bipple> rockbox should make an MP3 player
00.25.56 #       <amiconn> Nah, the philips chip has way better FM reception than the old samsung
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00.27.57 #       <Jleagle> can sumone explain to me how the wiki works, if i wanted to add something to the rockbox could i just download, edit and reupload my version???
00.29.04 #       <Bagder> you click edit
00.29.08 #       <Bagder> edit the page
00.29.10 #       <Bagder> then save
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00.29.22 #       <Jleagle> so whats to stop me deleteing eveything?
00.29.25 #       <n0bby> theres an in-browser editor
00.29.26 #       <Bagder> nothing
00.29.29 #       <n0bby> trust
00.29.34 #       <n0bby> and an undo button
00.30.13 #       <Jleagle> wow thats pretty trust worthy, i tink id have to add some sort of protection, it gets backed up all the time though right?
00.30.26 #       <n0bby> it keeps records of every change
00.30.35 #       <n0bby> it can be reverted as easily as changed
00.30.39 #       <Jleagle> hmm thats good
00.30.51 #       <Bagder> Jleagle: if you check the bottom of each page, you can check different versions and changes
00.30.53 #       <n0bby> wikipedia survives quite well :)
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00.32.21 #       <Jleagle> yer, ive never seen the admin side of a wiki, its great that you can just revert the changes
00.32.57 #       <Jleagle> *goes off to install a wiki*
00.33.21 #       <Bagder> the most annoying part is people adding spam/links to pages
00.34.17 #       <Jleagle> i can imagine, kinda inevitable though
00.34.31 #       <Bagder> yeps
00.34.50 #       <Bagder> but the pros outweights the cons
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00.38.19 #       <Jleagle> does it require any knowledge of c to install patches?
00.38.47 #       <Bagder> very often, yes
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00.39.00 #       <Bagder> patches are source code changes
00.39.16 #       <Bagder> source code is mainly C in Rockbox
00.39.53 #       <Jleagle> i thought there might be instructions, like add * after *
00.40.13 #       <Bagder> they are "instructions" for the patch command
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00.40.31 #       <Bagder> but sometimes they don't apply cleanly, then you need to do parts of it manually
00.41.09 #       <Jleagle> hmm ok, i might give it a go
00.41.23 #       <n0bby> i'd rather whine for the code to get commited
00.41.39 #       <n0bby> i got the bitmapness in the daily doing that :)
00.42.11 #       <Bagder> only new rockbox coders fall for whine ;-)
00.42.14 #       <Jleagle> bitmapness?
00.42.21 #       <Jleagle> lol badger
00.42.21 #       <n0bby> bitmap in WPS
00.42.26 #       <Jleagle> nice
00.42.54 #       <Flemmard> gn8
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00.43.13 #       <amiconn> Hummm. I should build new voice files...
00.43.50 #       <Jleagle> ooh! on the topic, i cant get mine to work... i put the english.voice in the lang dir, but nothing happens, you got any idears?
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00.44.06 #       <amiconn> Jleagle: Doesn't work on iriver yet
00.45.22 #       <Jleagle> heh, somebody told me it did, thanx ;)
00.45.47 #       <amiconn> That will take a while..
00.46.18 #       <amiconn> ...and it's one of the reasons why I still prefer my archoses for real usage
00.46.30 #       <amiconn> The voice UI is sooo handy in the car...
00.46.37 #       <HCl> why doesn't it work on iriver
00.46.37 #       <HCl> ?
00.47.52 #       <Jleagle> hasnt been coded yet?
00.48.24 #       <HCl> whats required for it?
00.48.53 #       <amiconn> (1) A second codec, or at least a method to control a codec and feed it tiny snippets from ram
00.49.07 #       <amiconn> (2) some changes in the talk code itself
00.49.12 #       <HCl> hmk.
00.49.14 #       <amiconn> (3) Probably a format change
00.49.19 #       <HCl> its not my thing anyways...
00.49.24 #       <HCl> arivaderci
00.49.34 #       <amiconn> The current voice files contain mp3, but pre-bitswapped for archos
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00.50.13 #       <amiconn> mp3 would be fine for a start, but the pre-swap has to go
00.50.41 #       <amiconn> We could either swap on load on archos, or simply make 2 sets of voice files
00.50.53 #       <amiconn> (needed for other codec than mp3 anyway)
00.51.38 #       <Moos> apear it needed a lot of work :(
00.52.10 #       <amiconn> The hardest (from my point of view) is the codec part
00.52.22 #       <amiconn> The other changes may be numerous, but simple
00.52.41 #       <Moos> preglow know this?
00.53.09 #       <Moos> for the codec part
00.54.00 #       <amiconn> I'd prefer a second libmad instance, statically linked
00.54.29 #       <amiconn> If we use mp3, it would make sense to use the same voice file for both archos and iriver
00.54.43 #       <Moos> indeed
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00.54.58 #       <amiconn> Since there is the size constraint for archos (RAM) the voice files are relatively small compared to iriver ram size
00.54.59 #       <preglwo> i agree with amiconn on this
00.55.13 #       <preglwo> the voice codec(s) should be statically linked
00.55.15 #       <Moos> hi preglow
00.55.20 #       <amiconn> ...so we could have them loaded at all times when the voice ui is enabled
00.55.20 #       <preglwo> hello
00.55.39 #       <preglwo> i also believe we should use speex on the platforms where it's possible
00.55.47 #       <preglwo> broadband mode gives excellent speech at pretty nice bitrates
00.55.51 #       <amiconn> -> no reload delay, and also voice *while* playing
00.55.56 #       <preglwo> i'm also hoping it will be a fast decode
00.55.56 #       <amiconn> (impossible on archos)
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00.56.20 #       <Bagder> having the speach codec linked at another place would be the way to go, imho
00.56.27 #       <preglwo> libspeex looks really optimisation friendly
00.56.35 #       <amiconn> preglwo: I know mp3 is not the best codec for speech, but using it would have advantages
00.56.37 #       <preglwo> i would have started porting it right now, if i could
00.56.53 #       <preglwo> amiconn: like? being able to use the same sets for archos?
00.57.02 #       <amiconn> Yes, that for one
00.57.05 #       <Bagder> and the same scripts
00.57.10 #       <amiconn> ...and there is also the talkbox feature...
00.57.10 #       <preglwo> amiconn: when you've made the recording, just doing two encodes should be fast
00.57.45 #       <amiconn> ...which plays mp3 file snippets announcing the directory names etc
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00.58.30 #       <amiconn> I'm not worried about encoding twice, but rather about 2 sets of files to download for users
00.58.35 #       <preglwo>  don't see why a different codec option should invalidate all this
00.58.54 #       <preglwo> 2 sets of files to download should be no problem, when they can be marked as specifically as they can
00.59.00 #       <preglwo> DOWNLOAD THIS IF YOU HAVE AN ARCHOS PLAYER
00.59.02 #       <preglwo> THIS IF NOT
00.59.04 #       <amiconn> Well, talkbox should always work with mp3 imho
00.59.14 #       <preglwo> but anyway
00.59.17 #       <preglwo> it's not a big deal to me
00.59.40 #       <preglwo> just think it's weird not supporting the one open source codec out there that was made for this
00.59.47 #       <amiconn> ...and btw, uploading a full set of voice files already takes a while
01.00.26 #       <amiconn> They add up to ~10 MB, and ADSL upstream isn't quite fast...
01.00.36 #       <preglwo> what bitrate?
01.00.42 #       <amiconn> 768/128
01.00.46 #       <preglwo> mp3s
01.00.47 #       <amiconn> Err 1024/128
01.01.01 #       <preglwo> i mean the files, not the connection
01.01.18 #       <amiconn> Ah, mp3. The snippets are currently 12 kHz vbr, limited to <= 64 kbps
01.01.37 #       <amiconn> A full voice file is still ~1.3 .. 1.5 MB
01.01.58 #       <amiconn> The bitrate limit is because of the MAS limitations
01.02.53 #       <preglwo> speex gives very nice quality at even 10kbps
01.03.16 #       <amiconn> Now someone should write a speex decoder in MAS asm...
01.03.17 #       <preglwo> 'nice', at least :P
01.04.16 #       <preglwo> so upload should at least be a lot smaller than for mp3
01.04.29 #       <Plugh_> isn't telephone line quality something like 4k?
01.05.12 #       <amiconn> preglwo: The file generation shouldn't be a problem as long as there is a command line encoder for windows
01.05.24 #       <preglwo> amiconn: sure is
01.05.32 #       <preglwo> Plugh_: yes, but i don't like telephone quality
01.05.36 #       <preglwo> decent voice needs 16khz sample rate
01.06.08 #       <Plugh_> 5.3k actually
01.06.08 #       <amiconn> My build system uses a vbscript controlling SAPI5 voices, lame, and 2 special tools written by [IDC]Dragon
01.06.27 #       <preglwo> Plugh_: i'm listening to a 4kbps vbr stream as we speak
01.06.35 #       <preglwo> 4kbps cbr is also very possible
01.07.00 #       <preglwo> anyhow, i'll port speex to rockbox anyway
01.07.01 #       <Plugh_> g.723 is 5.3/6.4k
01.07.12 #       <preglwo> speex isn't g.723 :)
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01.07.55 #       <preglwo> unless someone beats me to it, that is
01.08.07 #       <yyz> speex will come in useful for audiobooks anyway, so worth having
01.08.14 #       <preglwo> yes, ia gree
01.08.17 #       <preglwo> i agree, even
01.08.23 #       <preglwo> i think rockbox should have as many codecs as possible ;)
01.08.31 #       <amiconn> Rebuilding voice files...
01.09.02 #       <preglwo> libspeex also supports encoding out of the box
01.09.05 #       <preglwo> now that's a good application
01.09.11 #       <Bagder> indeed
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01.09.47 #       <preglwo> BUT, speex does analysis by synthesis, which i think is pretty slow
01.09.54 #       <preglwo> but we'll se
01.09.54 #       <preglwo> e
01.10.00 #       <preglwo> god, i hate this web client
01.10.15 #       <amiconn> preglwo: lame -V 4 -B 64 --resample 12 --scale 0.6 --vbr-new -t -S xx.wav xx.mp3
01.10.33 #       <amiconn> This is the most common line used in my voice script
01.10.50 #       <preglwo> why the scale?
01.11.41 #       <amiconn> [IDC]Dragon used full scale first. Bagder said it was too loud compared to the music
01.12.06 #       <Bagder> I doubt I said that
01.12.14 #       <Bagder> but I guess that's not the point ;-)
01.12.16 #       <Jleagle> is speax something that reads out what you type?
01.12.22 #       <amiconn> Well, maybe it was Zagor
01.12.31 #       <amiconn> I'm always confusing you ;)
01.12.37 #       <Bagder> hehe
01.12.47 #       <preglwo> haha
01.12.56 #       * Bagder runs off to bed
01.13.08 #       <Jleagle> sounds like a good idear
01.13.15 #       <preglwo> don't run into anything, now
01.13.18 #       <Jleagle> "	is speax something that reads out what you type?"?
01.13.33 #       <Jleagle> speex*
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01.16.11 #       <preglwo> o
01.16.12 #       <ashridah> Jleagle: no, it's an audio codec oriented towards encoding speech
01.17.01 #       <Jleagle> oh ok thnaks, it would be cool to have something that could speak out text like MS Sam
01.17.23 #       <Jleagle> would save alot of trouble
01.18.01 #       <ashridah> it probably would. pity we can't find the source code to dr sbaitso, which is about the only text reading app i knew that ran on a 286. bet the code's a horrible horrible horrible mess tho :)
01.18.03 #       <yyz> trouble? what are you? a hostage taker
01.18.25 #       <yyz> i dont think ive ever once thought "damn i wish i had a portable speach synthesiser"
01.18.32 #       <ashridah> yyz: if anything, he, or someone he knows, is probably blind
01.18.58 #       <yyz> yes, I understand their usage on a computer, but on a portable device?
01.19.45 #       <ashridah> catering for reading impared users is something rockbox strives to be good at
01.19.51 #       <Jleagle> i dont mean just for fun, you wouldnt need to have voice packs, you could just set it to say somethign in the code
01.20.57 #       <Jleagle> theres a ~1MB program called ShitTalker which does that if anyone is interested, the owner might give away the source
01.21.12 #       <preglwo> we'll probably try that some time, jleagle
01.21.17 #       <preglwo> but it's pretty complicated
01.21.39 #       <ashridah> Jleagle: there's probably one or two that are already small. the problem is, it'll only support the one language, i'm betting.
01.21.43 #       * amiconn wonders why people often want to do the second step before the first
01.21.51 #       <ashridah> one that supports every language will be huge :(
01.21.59 #       <Jleagle> yer i suppose
01.22.07 #       <preglwo> amiconn: because the second step is more fun, of course
01.22.28 #       <Jleagle> we do have 20gB+ :D... yer thats right preglwo lol
01.22.35 #       <amiconn> I don't like half-baked things for one
01.22.59 #       <Jleagle> what would rockbox be without idears?
01.23.06 #       <amiconn> I think what iriver rockbox needs is to get all current rockbox features to work
01.23.14 #       <Jleagle> thats true
01.23.34 #       <ashridah> i agree. get it to the same standard the archos port is
01.24.00 #       <amiconn> Bug-free playback with all options working, radio, recording...
01.24.08 #       <Jleagle> then start adding extras when its all 'done' maybe not looking good but no errors
01.24.21 #       <amiconn> ...voice UI
01.24.32 #       <amiconn> ...and probably *some* extended hardware features taken into account
01.24.40 #       <preglwo> speex uses 2.6 seconds to encode 60 seconds of 8khz audio here
01.24.45 #       <amiconn> ...like the multi-codec support already does
01.24.56 #       <amiconn> ...and 4-grey mode will also be
01.26.05 #       <Jleagle> 4 grey?
01.26.12 #       <preglwo> 5.5 seconds to encode 60 seconds of 16khz audio ://
01.26.17 #       <preglwo> this doesn't look too good
01.27.38 #       <amiconn> floating point?
01.28.18 #       <preglwo> guess so
01.28.18 #       <Jleagle> i gtg, tired... cya later
01.28.23 #       <preglwo> and this is a pretty fast box
01.28.31 #       <preglwo> 2.2 ghz athlon 64
01.30.06 #       <preglwo> killed powernowd, now runs at 4.6 seconds
01.30.13 #       <preglwo> anywho, this is irrelevant, i'm still going to try
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01.30.39 #       <amiconn> Something to apply EMAC magic to ;)
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01.31.24 #       <preglwo> indeed
01.31.37 #       <preglwo> i can apply much faster filtering, per clock, on a coldfire than on this box
01.31.39 #       <preglwo> of that i'm certain
01.32.08 #       <amiconn> I really appreciate what you've been doing
01.32.21 #       <preglwo> what what? ;)
01.32.30 #       <preglwo> i haven't been doing much lately
01.32.30 #       <amiconn> I'm pretty certain I couldn't manage to do that kind of stuff
01.32.47 #       <preglwo> i'm pretty sure you could, it's not advanced stuff
01.33.10 #       <preglwo> thanks anyhow, i'll take the compliment
01.33.19 #       <amiconn> I would have to know way more about codecs... and audio filtering and the like
01.33.37 #       <amiconn> I know some of the theory...
01.33.51 #       <amiconn> ...but the mathematics...
01.34.00 #       <preglwo> i know a bunch of the theory, maths, and love to code it
01.34.06 #       <preglwo> so it's all good for me
01.34.50 #       <preglwo> even though codecs weren't what i thought i'd be doing when i came aboard to do, i think it's fun, actually
01.34.59 #       <preglwo> -"to do"
01.35.43 #       <amiconn> I prefer to do that bitshifting stuff, that's what I know
01.36.13 #       <amiconn> ...and digging in datasheets how to control this and that piece of hardware even better
01.36.26 #       <preglwo> haven't done too much of that
01.36.39 #       <preglwo> the most low-level stuff i've done is writing an lcd screen driver, i guess
01.36.48 #       <preglwo> in avr assembler
01.36.58 #       <preglwo> for the fun of it, that's the sick part
01.37.00 #       <amiconn> I did the MMC driver for ondio
01.37.45 #       <amiconn> There's also some nice asm in the grayscale lib
01.37.59 #       <preglwo> i'm really starting to enjoy asm, that's what worries me...
01.38.17 #       <amiconn> asm can be fun.
01.38.42 #       <preglwo> even though you'd think that imdct_l failure would have put me off asm forever
01.39.11 #       <amiconn> Still no idea what would make that slower?
01.39.38 #       <preglwo> nah
01.39.52 #       <amiconn> When I didn't understand why a certain C construct was actually faster than my asm, I checked what gcc threw together
01.39.58 #       <preglwo> linus said he'd have a look at it, but i don't think it's his top priority
01.40.13 #       <amiconn> Sometimes gcc generated asm is brilliant, and sometimes pure shit
01.40.35 #       <preglwo> myeah, but i haven't got a c version of the algo i use
01.40.39 #       <preglwo> only an arm version
01.41.13 #       <amiconn> Ah, completely different algorithm.
01.41.28 #       <preglwo> i thought it'd be tons faster, 'cause it's got a loop in it, will utilise the cache much better
01.41.32 #       <preglwo> and it has all constants in tables
01.41.43 #       <preglwo> not in the straight asm code, like the other one
01.41.45 #       <preglwo> but still...
01.42.16 #       <preglwo> an optimisation guide from motorola would have been appreciated
01.42.39 #       <markun> about text to speech, the ipodlinux guy that comes here said he had flite running.
01.42.54 #       <preglwo> i don't know squat about how/if the internal pipelining works, how the emac unit is pipelined, how/when the parallel move is executed
01.43.04 #       <preglwo> markun: details?
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01.43.55 #       <markun> It's a c reimplementation of festival: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/
01.44.11 #       <preglwo> sweet zombie jesus, the tar.bz2 is SEVEN megs
01.45.22 #       <markun> Maybe it contains some voice data.
01.45.32 #       <preglwo> i most certainly hope so
01.45.56 #       <markun> The output of festival is not so bad, but you have to get used to it.
01.46.20 #       <preglwo> i think the output of festival is pretty good
01.46.25 #       <markun> It listened to quite a big part of the hitchhiker's guide with it :)
01.46.37 #       <preglwo> you're a bigger man than me
01.46.48 #       <preglwo> i would have gone insane
01.46.57 #       <yyz> shoulda just got h2g2 radio play, its loads better :)
01.47.07 #       * amiconn doesn't know how festival sounds
01.47.29 #       <yyz> i tried to listen to some book once, but it was Dark Elf and all the fantasy novel type made up works really screwed up my enjoyment
01.47.32 #       <markun> Yes, that's true. I have nice ogg versions but was thinking of buying the CD's.
01.48.01 #       <amiconn> I know that Linus said MBROLA sounds like sh**, and I'm used to having a nice AT&T natural voice reading my menus...
01.49.14 #       <amiconn> But then I also know the good old narrator.device on AMiga
01.49.35 #       <yyz> heh
01.49.35 #       <preglwo> http://www.festvox.org/voicedemos.html
01.49.44 #       <yyz> trying to get the right phonetic spelling was a challenge in itself
01.50.42 #       <thegeek> not too bad
01.51.04 #       <thegeek> if I remember correctly at&t is not _that_ much better?
01.51.16 #       <thegeek> it's been more than a year since I tested it though;)
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01.52.46 #       <preglow> .....
01.53.31 #       <amiconn> thegeek: at&t is clearly better
01.53.58 #       <amiconn> festival sounds more like the microsoft voices, quality wise
01.54.02 #       <preglow> how i love pop-unders
01.54.20 #       <preglow> where can i sample this at&t thing?
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01.54.35 #       <thegeek> http://www.naturalvoices.att.com/demos/
01.55.11 #       <thegeek> hmm
01.55.13 #       <thegeek> you are right
01.55.15 #       <thegeek> better
01.55.19 #       <thegeek> I must have forgotten
01.55.20 #       <thegeek> but damn
01.55.32 #       <thegeek> it takes like 2 full cd's ;)
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01.56.03 #       <preglow> why do i torture myself with this web interface...
01.56.09 #       <preglow> anywho, the at&t thing sure sounded nice
01.56.09 #       <thegeek> humhum
01.56.19 #       <amiconn> thegeek: 1 CD per voice
01.56.23 #       <thegeek> yes
01.56.30 #       <thegeek> woha
01.56.34 #       <thegeek> for each language?
01.56.40 #       <amiconn> The base package is 2 CDs, and includes 2 voices
01.56.40 #       <thegeek> damn, I remember I had the full set
01.56.42 #       <thegeek> was it that large?
01.56.45 #       <thegeek> ah
01.56.46 #       <thegeek> yes
01.56.47 #       <thegeek> ;)
01.57.03 #       <amiconn> I have one additional voice, german
01.57.23 #       <thegeek> mhm
01.57.24 #       <preglow> though it handles some phonetic transitions awfully
01.57.36 #       <amiconn> 2 GB installation
01.57.36 #       <preglow> sounds like they've just got a big database of sounds that they paste together
01.57.52 #       <thegeek> I don't think they do
01.58.04 #       <preglow> then that's a bloody awful solution
01.58.05 #       <thegeek> because it is still synthesis
01.58.09 #       <preglow> hmm
01.58.10 #       <thegeek> but I agree
01.58.13 #       <preglow> some words sound great
01.58.16 #       <amiconn> They don't simply paste, but they do have a huge database
01.58.19 #       <thegeek> they probably have very detailed descriptions of some words
01.58.24 #       <thegeek> mhm
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02.02.41 #       <preglow> it surely sounds sweet sometimes
02.03.59 #       <preglow> amn
02.04.04 #       <preglow> the german one sounded really sweet
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02.11.54 #       <preglow> marvelous, seems like i'm getting a cold
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02.18.10 #       <preglow> do we have a software codec define?
02.18.36 #       <preglow> i see the codecs arent compiled for h300 currently
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08.22.05 #       <Bger> wiki spam ...
08.26.36 #       <Bger> who's Marcoen Hirschberg
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08.27.08 #       <markun> Bger: I'm marcoen :)
08.27.20 #       <Bger> markun: u're very quick ;)
08.27.28 #       <markun> You too
08.27.30 #       <Bger> :P
08.28.09 #       <markun> Is there an easyer way to place back the old revision than to just edit the page?
08.28.25 #       <Bger> i don't know
08.29.17 #       <markun> Well, I have to go back to study for an exam now.. Bye.
08.29.25 #       <Bger> bye ;)
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08.44.57 #       <Cassandra> *sighs*  Another CD to return because of stupid copy protection.
08.46.17 #       <QT> moin. be happy cassandra. copy protection is the best excuse to return the CD after you have ripped it *gg*
08.46.53 #       <QT> go to the shop and act very dumb saying "it doesn't work in my car cd player"
08.47.56 #       <Cassandra> Damn thing won't rip properly.
08.47.57 #       <QT> i always get my money back then
08.48.04 #       <QT> hmm
08.48.15 #       <Cassandra> Oh, I've returned it before.
08.48.24 #       <QT> i am usually very lucky using cdda2wav and putting the disc into a DVD writer drive
08.48.43 #       <Cassandra> In the UK our consumer legislation says it has to be fit for the intended purpose.
08.48.54 #       <QT> what does that mean?
08.49.14 #       <QT> i mean if it does not work it does not work --> faulty product
08.49.24 #       <Cassandra> It means that since I can't put it on my MP3 player, it counts as faulty.
08.49.50 #       <QT> one guy in the shop once wanted to argue with me about giving me a refund
08.49.57 #       <QT> then it is even better!
08.50.25 #       <Cassandra> Yeah.  If I could actually rip it. :(
08.50.40 #       <QT> the guy at the counter meant it would be possible that i copied it. but how should it be possible if the disc has copy protection? i then asked to speak his boss and a few mins later i have my refund
08.50.45 #       <QT> right
08.50.57 #       <QT> try different drives and different rippers
08.50.58 #       <Cassandra> *grins*
08.51.30 #       <QT> do you know the UnCD database?
08.51.41 #       <Cassandra> I once complained to Sony about a disc I'd returned and they send me a free copy.  Which, oddly, ripped without a problem.
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08.53.14 #       <QT> search on this site for your CD: http://www.heise.de/ct/cd-register/default.shtml?s=suche
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09.09.47 #       <Cassandra> A couple of successful rips there, but not with drives I own.
09.10.13 #       <Bger> Cassandra: some friend with such drives ?
09.10.45 #       <Cassandra> Might as well just stick it in my housemate's CD system.  That'll copy it.
09.11.04 #       <Cassandra> But paying the RIAA tax to get a clean copy f***s me off.
09.12.30 #       <Bger> not only u ...............
09.13.42 #       <Cassandra> I will return it regardless.  I'm not paying money for that crap puporting to be a CD.
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09.51.17 #       <Cassandra> Right, there's a letter to EMI written.  (Well, editted from the one I sent Warner Music.)
09.52.00 #       <amiconn> morning
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09.53.16 #       <Cassandra> Hey ami.
09.53.30 #       <Maxime`Mrn> 'lo
09.53.32 #       <Maxime`Mrn> ^^
09.54.08 #       <Cassandra> I'm still wanting to change the iRiver keybindings.  Need to make sure people are happy with them before I write the patch though.
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09.55.26 #       <Cassandra> I really can't see the point in binding play to the joystick button, since right on a music file is already bound to play in the WPS. (Or if it isn't, it should be.)
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11.05.39 #       <chuch> anyone alive ?
11.06.40 #       <ashridah> more or less
11.08.33 #       <chuch> cool i got a 80gb travelstar with a user password on it and atapwd isnt unlocking it 
11.09.03 #       <ashridah> ouch
11.09.03 #       <chuch> anyone got any ideas i've used hddunlock and even went as far as trying some xbox utils 
11.09.39 #       <ashridah> find the person who set the password and beat them until they reveal it?
11.10.43 #       <chuch> bought it at a tradeshow 
11.11.00 #       <ashridah> hope you've got a receipt
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11.13.27 #       <chuch> that's it
11.15.24 #       <chuch> anyone got some insight on this ?
11.18.13 #       <amiconn> Ahahaha! rotflmao, I found the fix for bug #1174245. Stooopid bug, that! Someone meant to do a bitwise not, but used a logical not...
11.20.08 #       <t0mas> hm? change from ! to ~
11.20.23 #       <amiconn> yup... trivial, once the mistake is found.
11.20.44 #       <ashridah> chuch: find vendor. beat vendor. get refund.
11.20.52 #       <amiconn> hi t0mas
11.21.02 #       <t0mas> chuch: find vendor and ask for masterpassword is a better way ;-)
11.21.05 #       <t0mas> amiconn: hi
11.21.07 #       <ashridah> or call manufacturer. explain problem. then find and beat vendor when manufacturer informs you the password cannot be reset
11.21.31 #       <t0mas> amiconn: and bye again... time for breakfast
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11.33.00 #       <chuch> so what's the use of this atapwd util that i found on http://www.rockbox.org/lock.html
11.34.08 #       <Bger> chuch do you have relevant problem ?
11.42.23 #       <chuch> yah i can't get it too unlock a drive 
11.42.44 #       <ashridah> the question becomes, are you sure it's locked in the same fashion?
11.42.48 #       <chuch> i got at user lock hd that im having a problem unlocking
11.43.18 #       <chuch> ashridah guess not
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11.44.21 #       <ashridah> because it sounds like you're facing a newer version of the problem that the archos units would have had
11.44.53 #       <ashridah> i remember seeing some commentary about the annoying nature of newer versions of drive locking
11.45.18 #       <chuch> yah i just read a 3 page forum post on expertexchange about it 
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12.00.14 #       <HCl> drive locking is evil
12.00.17 #       <HCl> the xbox does it too
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12.04.13 #       <n0bby> hey
12.04.21 #       <n0bby> anyone here got CVS write access
12.04.33 #       <n0bby> really minor change to a songDB file needed
12.04.36 #       <n0bby> the .bat file
12.04.39 #       <n0bby> since it doesnt work anymore
12.05.07 #       <n0bby> it'd be handy to tell the user to install perl and let them use the bat, but without perl.exe being called
12.05.12 #       <n0bby> i've tried it, it works
12.05.16 #       <n0bby> :)
12.05.53 #       <n0bby> also, does songdb support ogg files yet?
12.06.39 #       <ashridah> the java songdb does, yes
12.07.02 #       <n0bby> theres a java implementation?
12.07.25 #       <n0bby> where?
12.07.58 #       <ashridah> on the id3 database page, attached
12.08.25 #       <n0bby> ahh
12.08.31 #       <n0bby> the page didnt seem to mention it
12.08.32 #       <n0bby> :S
12.08.32 #       <n0bby> odd
12.08.50 #       <ashridah> the new songdb is currently still being developed and documented a bit
12.09.02 #       <ashridah> more of the technical side has been covered than user-oriented stuff
12.09.05 #       <n0bby> how do i run a .jar on windows? winrar has stolen its assosiation
12.09.49 #       <Bger> n0bby do you have sun java ?
12.09.55 #       <n0bby> i think so
12.10.03 #       <n0bby> i have azureus and it requires it AFAIK
12.10.07 #       <Bger> then just java -jar ...
12.10.13 #       <Bger> ... = filename
12.11.05 #       <n0bby> it just output the usage
12.11.08 #       <n0bby> rather than run it
12.12.23 #       <n0bby> Exception in thread "main" java.lang.NullPointerException
12.12.23 #       <n0bby>         at TagDatabase.calcLimits(TagDatabase.java:171)
12.12.23 #       <n0bby>         at TagDatabase.writeDatabase(TagDatabase.java:301)
12.12.23 DBUG    Enqueued KICK n0bby
12.12.23 #       <n0bby>         at SongDB.main(SongDB.java:49)
12.13.05 #       <n0bby> got it now
12.13.28 #       <Bger> after that give directory name
12.13.34 #       <n0bby> yeah
12.13.37 #       <Bger> i mean java - jar songdb.jar dirname
12.13.44 #       <Bger> with / slashes
12.13.57 #       <n0bby> "java -jar songdb.jar .." for if its in .rockbox
12.14.13 #       <n0bby> should add that to the wiki
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12.15.12 #       <n0bby> crap
12.15.13 #       <n0bby> gtg
12.15.18 #       <n0bby> someone else can do it
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12.19.35 #       <ashridah> i honestly thought it already had
12.19.56 #       <HCl> hm?
12.19.59 #       <HCl> wha?
12.20.25 #       <HCl> i should fix it so it refuses to do anything if it can't find any tags
12.41.30 #       <Coldtoast> hey
12.41.43 #       <Coldtoast> in the menu, "Status-/Scrollbar"
12.41.54 #       <Coldtoast> why's there a - after Status?
12.42.19 #       <Coldtoast> seems unneeded to me
12.42.50 #       <amiconn> It's an abbrevition for Statusbar/Scrollbar
12.43.00 #       <Coldtoast> hmmm. ok
12.43.03 #       <amiconn> *abbreviation
12.43.34 #       <Coldtoast> I don't think you need it personally
12.44.20 #       <Coldtoast> maybe Status/Scroll Bar
12.45.06 #       <Moos> it' just a retail
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12.51.16 #       <Coldtoast> what's just a what?
12.51.23 #       <Coldtoast> retail=detail?
12.51.33 #       <Moos> yes scuse
12.51.53 #       <Coldtoast> ok. it is, yes. But why not mention it if I notice it is my theory?
12.53.01 #       <Moos> feel free to mention all you want
12.53.05 #       <Coldtoast> heh
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12.59.04 #       <ashridah> the problem is, status/scroll bar is an if-then-if-then-else conflict
12.59.22 #       <ashridah> ie, is it [status|scroll]bar or [status|scrollbar]
12.59.25 #       <t0mas> <n0bby> anyone here got CVS write access  <-- still needed?
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13.03.05 #       * amiconn sighs
13.03.20 #       <amiconn> That gfx api will be quite a bit of work...
13.03.42 #       <t0mas> you have a vacation comming? ;-)
13.03.49 #       <amiconn> Not the implementation itself, but the required changes in the parts that use it.
13.03.55 #       <amiconn> I am on vacation
13.04.28 #       <amiconn> I've just updated the api proposal
13.06.08 #       <amiconn> Oh, btw, the new gfx api will feature full clipping support
13.07.31 #       <Cassandra> ami: Any thoughts on changing the iRiver key mappings as per my mail to the list?  I don't want to go ahead and do it without polling the dev team first.
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13.09.39 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: What changes do you mean? There was quite some discussion...
13.11.13 #       <Cassandra> I think basically I'd want to shift play to the play/on key.  Long press becomes context menu.
13.11.42 #       <Cassandra> Not quite sure what to do about the joystick button.  Leaving it as another play key seems wasteful.
13.12.01 #       <Cassandra> Esp given that right ought to start playing while in WPS anyway.
13.12.04 #       <amiconn> I think the current solution is better
13.12.10 #       <Cassandra> Why?
13.12.48 #       <amiconn> (1) Imho using select to play from the browser is intuitive, because I select something
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13.13.13 #       <amiconn> (2) There are problems related using PLAY for playing, since PLAY is also the poweron button
13.13.41 #       <amiconn> There is a reason why play is *not* BUTTON_PLAY, but BUTTON_ON ...
13.14.24 #       <amiconn> ..and doubling the play functionality on both SELECT and PLAY is wasteful
13.14.35 #       <Cassandra> That'd explain why I always get ased if I want to resume, even when I was last at the end of a playlist.
13.14.36 #       <amiconn> ...and leaves the question how to resume...
13.14.49 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: No, that's a different story
13.15.06 #       <amiconn> The playback code is still buggy regarding playlists
13.15.24 #       <Cassandra> *nods*  The end of some tracks are getting clipped too.
13.17.36 #       <amiconn> Imho the current button assignment is quite logical:
13.17.59 #       <Cassandra> Hmm.  This might come down to a personal taste thing.  For me it really isn't.
13.18.00 #       <amiconn> If you want to *select* a new track to play, use SELECT (or RIGHT)
13.18.17 #       <amiconn> If you just want to *play* something (=resume), press PLAY
13.18.41 #       <Cassandra> It's certainly not logical that the play function and the pause function are bound to different keys.
13.18.51 #       <amiconn> Why?
13.19.07 #       <Cassandra> Nor should pause be bound to select, since the play button has convenient pocket access.
13.19.20 #       <amiconn> (1) On tape decks this was the plain standard
13.19.22 #       <yyz> the only thing I dont like about the current buttons is that pressing LEFT from root file menu doesnt take you back to WPS, you need to press PLAY
13.19.27 #       <yyz> that annoys me every single time
13.19.49 #       <yyz> but everything else seems perfectly logical to me, like amiconn says
13.20.10 #       <amiconn> (2) It's just a coincidence that play and pause are identical on archos player& recorder
13.20.16 #       <amiconn> On ondio they are not
13.20.34 #       <Cassandra> (2) Not really.  Every commercial CD player ever works like this.
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13.22.21 #       <amiconn> Apart from that, play and pause aren't different, if you look at it the way I see it
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13.23.42 #       <Cassandra> Huh?
13.25.07 #       <amiconn> Thinking like: To just play something, press play. This resumes on iriver, and does a similar thing on a cd player, since it can only play the currently inserted disk. The same button is pause.
13.25.43 #       <amiconn> To play something new, you currently have to use select. However, this also (roughly) equals a cd player:
13.25.59 #       <amiconn> To play something new on a cd player, you have to change disks.
13.26.11 #       <amiconn> ...and that's not done with the play button, right?
13.26.41 #       <Cassandra> *nods* OK.  That's quite convincing.  Still feels wrong to me, but ...
13.27.21 #       <Cassandra> Although of course resume is currently PLAY, SELECT.
13.27.35 #       <Cassandra> PLAY, PLAY would be more logical, don't you think?
13.27.41 #       <amiconn> If you have it set to ask, then yes
13.27.59 #       <amiconn> The text is still wrong, you probably know why
13.28.22 #       <amiconn> I agree that accepting *both* select and play as positive answer would be logical
13.28.35 #       <Cassandra> We don't have platform dependent language strings.
13.29.52 #       <amiconn> What do you think?
13.30.02 #       <amiconn> (about selct and play counting as 'yes')
13.30.24 #       <Cassandra> *nods*  Can't think of a good reason why not.
13.31.06 #       <Cassandra> I wonder what I'm going to call the play button in the manual.  Calling it play will confuse people, I think.
13.31.17 #       <Cassandra> It confused me, certainly.
13.31.20 #       <amiconn> Why?
13.31.24 #       <amiconn> Ah ,yes
13.31.38 #       <amiconn> For me, it is still the PLAY button
13.33.38 #       <Cassandra> I see it as a sort of hybrid RESUME/PAUSE/ON.  
13.33.47 #       <Cassandra> The problem is, you can't call it that.
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13.35.00 #       <ashridah> i wouldn't mind having play act as 'resume' if the player's just started, even if resume is set to no (or perhaps 'only on play' or something)
13.35.51 #       <HCl> hello.
13.35.58 #       <amiconn> ashridah: It does that
13.36.08 #       * Cassandra nods. There's a lot of sense in that. A request to resume by a specific button shouldn't require confirmation.
13.36.20 #       <amiconn> You can always resume with PLAY regardless of the resume setting
13.36.41 #       <amiconn> The first press will bring up the resume request if there is something to resume
13.36.48 #       <Cassandra> If resume is set to "no" do you get prompted, or does it just work?
13.37.02 #       <amiconn> Ah umm, good question
13.37.11 #       * amiconn tries
13.37.55 #       <Cassandra> I'm beginning to think we should map the on button's resume functionality to behaviour as per resume = yes.
13.38.50 #       <amiconn> Humm, it really doesn't work
13.39.13 #       <amiconn> I think the resume setting should be changed to be a 'resume on startup' setting
13.39.32 #       <Cassandra> I think you're right.
13.39.35 #       <amiconn> This means that the 'ask once' functionality has to go though
13.39.46 #       <Cassandra> Does it?
13.40.04 #       <amiconn> Ask once destroys the resume info if you answer no
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13.40.29 #       <Cassandra> Hmmm.  Maybe it shouldn't.
13.40.58 #       <amiconn> I think the resume on startup should obey the resume setting, but while running, the PLAY button (= ON on archos recorder etc) should always resume
13.41.23 #       <amiconn> ...and for this to work, the resume info must not be destroyed
13.41.32 #       <Cassandra> I agree, although that's potentially confusing for new users.
13.41.45 #       <amiconn> Why?
13.42.31 #       <Cassandra> Because they may expect the resume (PLAY) button to play the current track (like I did).
13.42.59 #       <amiconn> That can be explained in the manual...
13.43.21 #       <Cassandra> If you made it act like the SELECT button if there was no resume info, would that be more or less confusing?
13.43.27 #       <amiconn> ...like some other rockbox subtleties need explanation
13.43.32 #       * ashridah notes that the current button assignments in rockbox for the iriver were just thrown in haphazardly when it couldn't play music
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13.43.59 #       <Cassandra> *nods* That's why we're trying to rethink them.
13.44.04 #       <amiconn> ..e.g. the volume versus treble/bass problem. I *love* that discussion
13.44.19 #       <t0mas> amiconn: saw my idea on that?
13.44.22 #       <amiconn> ...and I definitely prefer the rockbox way
13.44.25 #       <ashridah> amiconn: to be honest, i kinda side with you. i'd just love better feedback that it's started volume limiting
13.44.34 #       <ashridah> ie, the counter can't progress if it's hit the limit
13.44.40 #       <t0mas> yes
13.44.43 #       <t0mas> that was my idea
13.45.06 #       <t0mas> with an option to pass that point (with a notice) and start having iriver-fw behaviour from that point
13.45.06 #       <amiconn> ashridah: Hmm. That won't be easy, because the limiting happens in low-level code, not in high level
13.45.13 #       <ashridah> ah.
13.45.25 #       <amiconn> t0mas: Why????
13.45.28 #       <ashridah> being able to choose which kind of anti-clipping limiting happens might be nice, but *shrug*
13.45.34 #       <t0mas> because everybody is happy then?
13.45.42 #       <amiconn> You can always increase the volume further. Just reduce bass/treble
13.45.46 #       <Cassandra> Shouldn't be too difficult to programatically calculate the max from the bass and treble settings.
13.45.52 #       <t0mas> some people want to stop at that point (you), and some people want to continue... and reduce bass/treble
13.46.26 #       <Cassandra> I seem to get distortion if I put the bass setting up much.
13.46.32 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: Yes, but that requires more knowledge of the low-level limits in the application layer. Not good...
13.46.37 #       <t0mas> then you might have an old version Cassandra 
13.47.02 #       <Cassandra> *nods*  Maybe I'll try it again.
13.47.12 #       <amiconn> No, that distortion results from too much filtering. This is not clipping
13.47.29 #       <Cassandra> Too much filtering, what's that?
13.48.23 #       <amiconn> The filter curve gets so steep that the waveform overshoots
13.48.37 #       <ashridah> whoosh!
13.48.56 #       <amiconn> At least I think that's what causes the distortion
13.49.24 #       <amiconn> There can't be clipping because the limiter is working very strict
13.49.26 #       <Cassandra> Right.  That doesn't mean anything to me really.  Is there a potential solution?
13.49.41 #       <ashridah> could i get that in plain english and simple diagrams? :)
13.49.44 #       <amiconn> ...reducing the mixer gain by MAX(treble_boost, bass_boost)
13.49.52 #       * ashridah was never very good at audio/electronic engineering
13.50.43 #       <Cassandra> Probably ought to be done by someone who knows what they're doing at some point.
13.50.49 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: I'm not sure, but perhaps this can be solved by implemeting software eq, depending on the filter type
13.51.11 #       <amiconn> Anyway, 24 dB bass boost sounds like crap for almost everything
13.51.30 #       <Cassandra> I was getting this as low as 11.
13.51.41 #       <Cassandra> Maybe I need to delete my old config file.
13.51.46 #       <amiconn> There is no 11...
13.52.05 #       <amiconn> Bass enhancement a la MDB might do a better job for earphones
13.52.14 #       <Cassandra> There is on my iRiver.  Possibly because I saved my original config when the scale was wrong.
13.52.37 #       <amiconn> 11 is impossible hardware-wise, the hardware works in 2 dB steps
13.52.52 #       <amiconn> I think you'll get 10 when you feed it 11 from a config file
13.52.52 #       <t0mas> oh lol
13.53.02 #       <Cassandra> Right.
13.53.33 #       <amiconn> The bass setting just shifts right by 1 to get the hardware value
13.53.41 #       <Cassandra> I'm going to go fix up resume, I think.
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13.54.09 #       <Cassandra> ami - can you think of any reason I shouldn't make the resume button play the current track if there's no resume info?
13.54.22 #       <Cassandra> This is certainly behaviour I'd like.
13.54.35 #       <amiconn> Hmm, I would think that's confusing
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13.56.29 #       <Cassandra> It's one of those UI design philosophy things.  Do we try to guess what the user "wanted" to happen and risk being confusing, or do we make it rigid and risk having it be confusing in a different way?
13.57.13 #       <amiconn> Imho too much guesswork is more confusing, but this is me.
13.57.34 #       <ashridah> and no matter which one you choose, you either end up confusing previous users of rockbox, previous users of iriver's firmware, or both :)
13.57.55 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
13.58.24 #       <Cassandra> I feel a config file option coming on.
13.58.40 #       <amiconn> Oh no! No more config options... ;-)
13.58.59 #       <Cassandra> Well, you know.  They were looking a little thin on the ground.
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14.02.21 #       <Cassandra> Argh.  I've just remembered how much I hate the resume logic.
14.07.17 #       <Cassandra> Aha!  I thought that'd be the case.
14.07.37 #       <Cassandra> Controls are inconsistent between the remote and the main unit.
14.07.44 #       <Cassandra> This definitely *is* confusing.
14.07.59 #       <Cassandra> On the remote, PLAY = SELECT.
14.09.51 #       <amiconn> Aaargh! No more broken plugins pls!
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14.13.12 #       <Cassandra> Holy christ, this is just wrong.  Buttons labelled the same on the remote and the unit should do the same thing.
14.14.26 #       <Cassandra> This is not helped by the remote having three more buttons than the main unit.
14.14.26 #       <amiconn> If so, the assignment is probably wrong
14.14.48 #       <Cassandra> Yes and no. The menu button *ought* to open the config menu.
14.15.12 #       <Cassandra> However, for consistency A-B ought to.
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14.15.45 #       <Cassandra> But then what do we map SELECT to?
14.16.29 #       <Cassandra> This is actually bad design on iRiver's behalf, but we're stuck with trying to turn it into something sensible.
14.18.10 #       <Cassandra> I think we have to ignore the MENU text on the remote, and map SELECT to NAVI/MENU
14.19.06 #       <amiconn> It does the same in iriver fw
14.19.21 #       <amiconn> NAVI/MENU opens the file browser as does SELECT on the main unit
14.19.32 #       <Cassandra> OK.  That's cool.
14.19.55 #       <Cassandra> There's no mapping for the RC_MODE button in button.h.
14.20.52 #       <Cassandra> Oh, it's labelled VOL.
14.20.54 #       <Cassandra> Never mind.
14.21.45 #       <amiconn> It's also labelled A-B/MODE (below the control)
14.22.01 #       <Cassandra> I meant in the source it's labelled VOL.
14.22.13 #       <amiconn> Hmm.
14.22.22 #       <Cassandra> Not the best name for it, but ...
14.22.33 #       <amiconn> Imho it should be renamed to BUTTON_RC_MODE
14.22.44 #       <Cassandra> OK will do that.
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14.27.44 #       <Cassandra> Oh dammit.  Now I need to install the 68k compiler.
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14.49.54 #       <amiconn> I wonder whether I should commit parts of the gfx api while it is work in progress, when I have a working state
14.50.24 #       <amiconn> I would need to break plugin api compatibility almost every time to avoid crashing plugins
14.50.44 #       <Bger> amiconn: if you don't commit, please, back-up ;)
14.54.52 #       <Cassandra> You know I keep thinking it ought to be possible for plugins to be compiled standalone.
14.55.06 #       <amiconn> ?
14.55.35 #       <Cassandra> Well so plugins need not necessarily be distributed with rockbox.
14.55.54 #       <amiconn> I still don't understand...
14.55.55 #       <Cassandra> Make them more like executables for the Rockbox platform.
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14.56.14 #       <amiconn> They are...
14.56.17 #       <west-acre> hey there
14.56.53 #       <Cassandra> Oh, maybe I'm just mad then.  Any plugin with the same API no. can run on any Rockbox?
14.56.57 #       <amiconn> ...that's why the plugin api version exists
14.58.11 #       <amiconn> A plugin can run on rockbox if it's own api version number is less or equal than that of the core *and* equal or greater than the min api version number of the core
14.58.25 #       <amiconn> ...and of course the device model matches
14.59.03 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
14.59.05 #       <amiconn> What I mean when talking about breaking api compatibility is that I have to bump the min api version number of the core
14.59.17 #       <amiconn> ...because of incompatible changes to the api
14.59.18 #       <Cassandra> I wonder why more people don't distribute plugins independently.
14.59.36 #       <amiconn> ...so older plugins don't run
14.59.43 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
15.00.04 #       <amiconn> I would have to do that almost everytime I commit a new stage of my gfx rework
15.00.34 #       <Cassandra> Aren't you supposed to be able to create a new branch for stuff like this?
15.00.41 #       <amiconn> ...because functions get ripped out and replaced with fewer, more flexible functions
15.00.52 #       <amiconn> Rockbox doesn't use braches
15.00.57 #       <amiconn> *branches
15.01.21 #       <Cassandra> Can't see why you couldn't create one to work on then merge back in later.
15.01.35 #       <Cassandra> Although I have to admit branches confuse me.
15.01.36 #       <amiconn> I already have the single pixel stuff implemeted
15.02.16 #       <amiconn> Nah, at least I would have to talk to one of the 3 Swedes before doing so, and of course learn how to work with branches in cvs...
15.02.33 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
15.02.49 #       <Cassandra> Can we start calling them the Three Wise Swedes?
15.03.17 #       <amiconn> Hmm, are you sure?
15.03.28 #       <amiconn> I am not... ;)
15.03.48 #       <Cassandra> Ssh.  Or they'll take away your CVS access.
15.04.36 #       <amiconn> oopss
15.05.06 #       <Cassandra> Pah, why does compiling a little applet like gcc take so damn long?
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15.05.56 #       <west-acre> 4hey wots bin happening with the rockbox port over the past gew days, i got fading backlight, any more?
15.06.40 #       <Jleagle> you could see the change logs, i cant see a link to any other than todays though
15.07.11 #       <west-acre> yeh, i could only see todays, that's why i asked :D
15.07.41 #       <amiconn> Daily builds page, under 'source' there is a link 'older'
15.08.00 #       <amiconn> On that page, there is a 'changelog' link for every daily build listed
15.08.23 #       <amiconn> (one month worth)
15.08.34 #       <Cassandra> ami: Was it you that fixed the sleep time while powered on?  Idle timer needs fixing too.
15.12.44 #       <amiconn> I left the idle timer as-is on purpose
15.12.57 #       <Cassandra> Why?
15.13.16 #       <amiconn> I don't want the unit to idle poweroff while connected to the charger
15.13.31 #       <amiconn> You can still poweroff with OFF, that was already fixed
15.13.36 #       <gromit`> ls
15.13.40 #       <Cassandra> It always has with the Archos.
15.13.40 #       <gromit`> hrm :)
15.13.47 #       <t0mas> gromit`: wrong window? ;)
15.13.50 #       <gromit`> ya :)
15.14.09 #       <west-acre> Image support for the WPS. ?
15.14.13 #       <t0mas> ah better than wget http://some.pronsite.xx ;-)
15.14.15 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: The archso can't be powered off while the charger is connected, that's a hardware limitation
15.14.22 #       <gromit`> heh :)
15.14.32 #       <t0mas> west-acre: hm?
15.14.33 #       <amiconn> The iriver can, and you can do that, with the OFF button
15.14.34 #       <Cassandra> Maybe I'm just going mad then.
15.14.38 #       <t0mas> west-acre: you can display bmp images on the wps
15.14.44 #       <west-acre> wiked.
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15.14.58 #       <gromit`> browsing pornsites with wget is quite unefficient
15.15.13 #       <t0mas> ARG
15.15.18 #       <t0mas> some people really are stupid...
15.15.27 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: A couple of people agreed with me that idle poweroff should be inhibited while the charger is connected
15.15.40 #       <t0mas> I asked someone to send me some mp3's... but re-encode them... as he uses 64 bits and I don't like that sound :P
15.15.55 #       <t0mas> now he re-encoded the 64 kbit mp3s as 320... not the original CD
15.15.57 #       <t0mas> IDIOT
15.15.59 #       <gromit`> lol
15.16.25 #       <t0mas> so now I have 320 kbits mp3s wich still sound bad
15.17.37 #       <Cassandra> What was the reason, just out of curiosity.
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15.18.14 #       * t0mas is intrested too
15.18.43 #       <linuxstb> IMO, idle poweroff is there to save power - which is meaningless when you are plugged into the mains.
15.18.58 #       <linuxstb> If I want to turn it off, I know where the off button is.
15.19.15 #       <t0mas> I don't when I'm sleeping...
15.19.22 #       <t0mas> and I've repeat off...
15.19.25 #       <Cassandra> What about saving electricity.
15.19.35 #       <Cassandra> I often put an album on when I go to bed.
15.19.39 #       <t0mas> so after playing some album... it should stop and shutdown... even when the charger is plugged in
15.19.53 #       <linuxstb> Another config option? 
15.19.54 #       * linuxstb ducks
15.20.18 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: Use the sleep timer, then it does power off
15.20.27 #       <amiconn> That's why I fixed the sleep timer behaviour
15.20.37 #       <amiconn> Otherwise I agree with linuxstb
15.21.04 #       <Cassandra> I guess.  But setting the sleep timer is not convenient.
15.21.20 #       <Cassandra> Hmm thats a candidate for addition to the iRiver F2 menu analogue.
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15.22.08 #       <Cassandra> Which by the way there seem to be two main candidates for.  Long press on MODE or short press on REC.
15.22.19 #       <Cassandra> I think I favour long press on MODE.
15.22.41 #       <Cassandra> (although that means we then can't put an A-B repeat function on that key)
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15.23.24 #       <amiconn> I don't need an F2 equivalent
15.23.36 #       <Cassandra> I don't need one.  I want one though.
15.23.45 #       <amiconn> I don't want one either
15.23.45 #       <Cassandra> Just makes life easier.
15.23.58 #       <Cassandra> I do. :P
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15.24.14 #       <HCl> morning
15.25.38 #       <Cassandra> Heya HCl.
15.26.03 #       <Cassandra> Anyone else strongly against a quick menu for iRiver?
15.26.27 #       <HCl> lag
15.26.29 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: A long press can't be called quick...
15.26.32 #       <HCl> what do you mean quick menu?
15.26.42 #       <Cassandra> F2 on the Archos.
15.26.46 #       <HCl> a menu you can quickly access while playing?
15.27.06 #       <Cassandra> ami - it's still quicker than navigating through the settings.
15.28.13 #       <amiconn> Imho this can't be done comfortable on iriver. MODE is on the side while the joystick is on top
15.28.27 #       <HCl> ?
15.28.32 #       <amiconn> ...plus, you can't press another button at the same time you press MODE
15.28.36 #       * HCl missed something..
15.28.46 #       <HCl> i favor long press on mode
15.29.07 #       <amiconn> HCl: The quick menus are supposed to work really quick.
15.29.29 #       <Cassandra> Am I the only person to hold my Archos in the palm of my hand and use the joystick with my thumb?
15.29.41 #       <HCl> amiconn: why does it matter?
15.29.47 #       <Cassandra> Or other hand.
15.29.59 #       <amiconn> E.g. the F2 menu is brought up by pressing and *holding* F2, then selecting a direction for the desired option
15.30.00 #       <HCl> better than not having quick access to a menu at all?
15.30.13 #       <amiconn> Leaving off F2 will immediately close the quickmenu again
15.30.18 #       <HCl> what i need for the runtime database is a menu you can bring up while playing
15.30.38 #       <Cassandra> ami: Nope.  Just checked.
15.30.38 #       <HCl> i don't need to have a quickmenu in the archos sense, then.
15.30.40 #       <amiconn> HCl: Add it to the wps context menu
15.30.49 #       <HCl> amiconn: okay, wasn't sure whether we had that :)
15.30.58 #       <amiconn> We have that since y'day
15.31.05 #       <HCl> ah :P
15.31.13 #       <amiconn> Linus committed an old patch of Henrik Backe
15.31.17 #       <amiconn> *by
15.31.18 #       <HCl> nice 
15.31.18 #       <HCl>  :)
15.31.22 #       <HCl> i'll check out and update my player
15.31.28 #       <HCl> and work on the runtime database
15.32.10 #       <Cassandra> That's very cool.
15.32.30 #       <Cassandra> ami: I think you're misremembering how the quick menu works.
15.32.48 #       <amiconn> They work in 2 ways, I know
15.33.01 #       <amiconn> But the way I described is the *really* quick way
15.33.21 #       <amiconn> I still have some working archoses to check...
15.33.25 #       <Cassandra> Oh.  Didn't know about that.  Better add it to the manual at some point.
15.34.14 #       <Cassandra> It really is incredibly hard to use one handed though.  I'm still not convinced by your objection.
15.34.27 #       <amiconn> You can press F2 and leave off again, and the menu will stay. Then you can select your option, and have to press F2 again to get rid of the menu
15.34.34 #       <amiconn> Not really quick I'd say...
15.35.15 #       <amiconn> If you mean that way, I wouldn't call it quickmenu, it'd just be yet another menu...
15.35.25 #       <Cassandra> Why can't you press another button at the same time as MODE?  Generic limitation of the iRiver keys?
15.35.31 #       <amiconn> yup
15.36.02 #       <HCl> curse this forum xD why is the spell check button at the spot where you expect the button for post to be 
15.36.05 #       <amiconn> mode/left/right/up/down/select are all hooked up to the same adc channel
15.36.25 #       <amiconn> + record
15.36.48 #       <Cassandra> Annoying.
15.37.07 #       <amiconn> The only independent buttons are PLAY and STOP
15.37.14 #       <Cassandra> However, I'd still argue it's quicker than using mode to change them.
15.37.16 #       <amiconn> Same goes for the remote
15.37.48 #       <amiconn> All remote buttons except PLAY and STOP are hookep up to a single adc channel
15.37.49 #       <Cassandra> Long press on ON is currently unbound.
15.41.33 #       <HCl> good work on mp3 playback
15.41.38 #       <HCl> first time i'm playing an mp3 with rockbox
15.41.39 #       <HCl>  :)
15.41.59 #       <HCl> i need a better wps though
15.42.09 #       <Cassandra> It's a beautiful thing, isn't it?
15.42.19 #       <HCl> yup
15.42.30 #       <HCl> testing my runtime db hack i added
15.42.34 #       <HCl> should trigger at the end of the song
15.43.00 #       <HCl> lcd works nicely as debug output
15.43.03 #       <HCl> i mean, remote
15.43.20 #       <HCl> i do notice tons of disk activity though
15.43.22 #       <HCl> is that normal
15.43.23 #       <HCl> ?
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15.43.52 #       <Cassandra> Does seem to be, yes.
15.43.54 #       <ashridah> HCl: currently, rockbox caches around a minute of the first song, then waits for a minute, and caches as much of the playlist as it can
15.44.02 #       * HCl checks logs
15.44.05 #       <HCl> ashridah: i see.
15.44.18 #       <Cassandra> I think it should start by caching 5 secs, so that playback starts immediately.
15.44.22 #       <ashridah> this is a distinct contrast to iriver's firmware, which only caches the current song, and even then, possibly not much of it
15.44.23 #       <Cassandra> Then a minute.
15.44.27 #       <Cassandra> Then the playlist.
15.44.33 #       <HCl> ashridah: *nods*
15.44.42 #       <HCl> we run at higher cpu frequencies though.
15.44.48 #       <ashridah> Cassandra: 5 seconds is longer than the hard drive can spin down and back up and settle, i suspect
15.44.55 #       <HCl> i don't suppose anyone has made any comparisment in battery usage yet?
15.45.10 #       <ashridah> hrm, a few people have.
15.45.13 #       <Cassandra> Currently the two seconds or so it takes to start is quite disconcerion.
15.45.20 #       <ashridah> i don't know the results. it's not horrible tho
15.45.21 #       <Cassandra> disconcerting.
15.45.32 #       <amiconn> The playback should simply start if there is buffered enough to not run out while buffering more
15.45.42 #       <amiconn> This is how it's done on archos
15.45.54 #       <ashridah> Cassandra: it's entirely possible that the player could start playing as soon as the codec has its first frame, it'd be a lot more work tho, i imagine
15.46.11 #       <HCl> hrm..
15.46.18 #       * HCl 's debug message didn't show up
15.46.22 #       <Cassandra> We should do it though. Even iRiver does.
15.46.39 #       <amiconn> ashridah: Not the first frame, but enough to not run out of data immediately
15.46.46 #       * HCl wonders whether the distortion he hears is caused by their crappy livingroom speakers or rockbox..
15.46.50 #       <ashridah> amiconn: hm, true. 
15.46.57 #       <amiconn> And it's not that hard, if the buffering is properly implemented
15.47.12 #       <HCl> Slasheri: around ? :/
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15.47.47 #       * ashridah notes that mp3 playback still mysteriously cuts out and the player immediately shuts down for him on a particular playlist he uses
15.48.03 #       <ashridah> i need to get around to poking at it to see if it's a particular song, or a length-of-time issue or what
15.48.08 #       <Cassandra> I don't think our codec expert is on at the moment, sadly.
15.48.51 #       <Cassandra> What the hell is "Ask Once" as a resume option for exactly?
15.49.10 #       * HCl 's hack to add runtime db stuff didn't work.. must wait for slasheri :/
15.49.22 #       <amiconn> Well, it does ask only once...
15.49.40 #       * HCl goes to work on school stuff instead
15.49.41 #       <Cassandra> Yes, but why would anyone want the unit to behave in this way?
15.50.07 #       <amiconn> Some people might be bothered about the resume? request when it does appear every time
15.50.34 #       <Cassandra> Hmmmm.
15.50.36 #       <amiconn> If we change the resume setting to only define the resume behaviour on startup, we don't need it, as I already stated
15.50.55 #       <Cassandra> We don't?
15.51.17 #       <amiconn> Those people should then set 'resume on startup' to 'no' and if they occasionally want to resume,
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15.51.29 #       <amiconn> they could still do that using PLAY
15.52.13 #       <Cassandra> *nods*  
15.52.13 #       <amiconn> Btw, these resume changes practically forbid using PLAY as a synonym to SELECT
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15.52.23 #       <amiconn> ..if there is no resume info
15.52.40 #       <Cassandra> Do they?
15.52.51 #       <Cassandra> My brain is full of cotton wool today.
15.52.51 #       <amiconn> The user often won't know whether there is resume info or not, and so using PLAY can be very surprising
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15.53.17 #       <Cassandra> *nods* Yeah.  I'd thought about that.  It's relying on the user keeping state in their head.
15.53.28 #       <amiconn> Yes... and that's bad
15.53.44 #       <Cassandra> I think we should make play flash up "No playlist" if there's no playlist loaded.
15.53.55 #       <amiconn> I would certainly run into big trouble, having 4 different units...
15.54.27 #       <amiconn> Yes, that might be a good idea
15.54.58 #       <Cassandra> Still trying to work out if there's an easy way to leave ask once in without zeroing the playlist.
15.55.29 #       <amiconn> Drop that, I'd say
15.55.56 #       <amiconn> I think the changes should be as follows:
15.55.56 #       <Cassandra> I may do that, yes.
15.56.17 #       <amiconn> (1) Resume info should always be stored, regardless of the resume setting
15.56.35 #       <amiconn> (2) The resume setting should be renamed 'resume on startup'
15.56.40 #       <amiconn> ...and behave that way
15.56.59 #       <amiconn> Resume from the browser pushing PLAY should always be done, without a request
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15.57.14 #       <Cassandra> *nods* All three of those I agree with.
15.57.41 #       <amiconn> ...and if there is no resume info, it should splash that message you suggested
15.58.04 #       <Cassandra> Or maybe "No resume info" would be better.
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16.01.04 #       <fogcat> look
16.02.41 #       <fogcat> with the WPS getting more graphical are there any plans to change the screen definition "language"?
16.03.03 #       <t0mas> yes, I've been thinking about it
16.03.21 #       <t0mas> but couldn't find a smart way to do it... without losing functionaliy we have now
16.03.29 #       <fogcat> i was having a Friday afternoon muse about that - current system is v line orientated
16.04.02 #       <fogcat> was wondering about a VERY cut down version of HTML style div placing 
16.04.10 #       <t0mas> pfff
16.04.17 #       <t0mas> difficult to code...
16.04.28 #       <amiconn> There is no need to think about no-line oriented
16.04.31 #       <amiconn> ...now
16.04.32 #       <t0mas> but feel free to post a proposal to the mailinglist, wiki or forum
16.04.42 #       * t0mas is away again :)
16.04.43 #       <t0mas> bye
16.04.43 #       <fogcat> ahh yeah... well that's where not knowing the code frees my imagination ;-)
16.04.53 #       <amiconn> It's a non-no until at least two things are sorted, one of them being veery hard
16.05.07 #       <HCl> man its nice to finally be close to being 100% again
16.05.14 #       * HCl codes for school
16.05.44 #       <fogcat> I did have a peek at the source (but I last coded any C about 12 years ago)
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16.13.26 #       * preglow FINALLY got a cold
16.13.49 #       <ashridah> you say that like it's some kind of acheivement
16.13.54 #       <ze> haha
16.14.15 #       <ashridah> that said, that means you can stay home and work on rockbox. \o/
16.14.19 #       <preglow> i haven't had one for a couple of years, and i've been praising the almighty lord for every day
16.14.36 #       <ashridah> heh, i went through a few years like that. was great
16.14.39 #       <preglow> no i can't, i need to hand in my master's thesis in a week
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16.14.50 #       <ze> couple days ago i got a sore throat for no apparent reason
16.14.52 #       <ze> still have it :/
16.15.01 #       <HCl> lol.
16.15.04 #       <preglow> there's no mistaking this
16.15.04 #       <HCl>  :/
16.15.08 #       <HCl> okay thats not funny
16.15.09 #       <preglow> sore throat, stuffy nose
16.15.13 #       * HCl just recovered from being ill :/
16.15.25 #       <HCl> sounds like more than a cold preglow :/
16.15.29 #       <HCl> isn't a cold just a stuffy nose?
16.15.31 #       <ze> its weird, i had no contact with anyone sick
16.15.32 #       <preglow> diminshing sense of taste ://////
16.15.41 #       <preglow> no, i always get a sore throat
16.15.44 #       <ze> HCl: often sore throat and cough too
16.15.45 #       <preglow> hahah
16.15.50 #       <HCl> kay.
16.15.55 #       <preglow> i chatted with two germans with a cold two days ago
16.15.58 #       <preglow> i wonder where i got it from...
16.16.00 #       <ashridah> HCl: it is, i've been through the same thing. i got a cold, then a few weeks later, i developed a nasty cough that lasted for a few weeks. finally shook it off, and then my partner for a large project got mono
16.16.37 #       <preglow> i bloody HATE having a cold
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16.17.44 #       <HCl>  :/
16.18.07 #       <HCl> markun: added the function stuff to bla.g, its on my ftp in the eindopdr dir
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16.19.05 #       <HCl> heh..
16.19.15 #       <HCl> our cat has it so hot that he's not sleeping on his pillow anymore, cause it gets too warm
16.20.01 #       * ashridah stabs steam in it's crappy, non-threaded ass
16.20.31 #       <ze> your cat has it that way? he paw around with the thermostat?
16.21.00 #       <HCl> nope
16.21.09 #       <HCl> its just really warm
16.21.11 #       <ze> oh heh
16.21.12 #       <ashridah> ze: uh. cats are generally furrier than people
16.21.13 #       <HCl> tropical temperatures
16.21.23 #       <ze> ashridah: usually
16.21.29 #       <HCl> also cuter.
16.21.32 #       <HCl> don't forget cuter.
16.21.33 #       <ze> HCl: often
16.21.41 #       <HCl>  :d
16.22.09 #       <ze> ever notice the more feline characteristics a woman has the hotter she tends to be? or is that just me... heh
16.22.54 #       * HCl stares at his computer.
16.23.12 #       <HCl> hm, something is going definately wrong.
16.23.23 #       <ashridah> <HCl> it's fogging up
16.23.28 #       <t0mas> hm
16.23.34 #       <t0mas> I've found a very irritating bug...
16.23.53 #       <t0mas> if you stop playback, and insert 1 song into an empty playlist, it starts playing...
16.24.04 #       <t0mas> then you stay in filebrowser to add some more songs
16.24.11 #       <t0mas> and you keep adding them
16.24.22 #       * HCl goes to reboot, the magical fix thing for windows computers.
16.24.25 #       <t0mas> then after some time (before the end of the first song) the music stops, and it goes to stop mode
16.24.41 #       <amiconn> Hmrf. This bit masking, xoring and inverting drives me crazy
16.24.46 #       <t0mas> and it loses the playlist you've been editing... because it stops
16.25.34 #       * amiconn needs to imagine what the individual draw modes are *really* supposed to do
16.29.07 #       <HCl> hrm.
16.29.08 #       <HCl> how odd.
16.29.22 #       <HCl> a program i use daily just suddenly started crashing without a reason
16.29.31 #       <HCl> and now it just crashes when i try to start it..
16.32.02 #       <Cassandra> Hmm - am I right in thinking that global.settings.resume.index isn't currently getting reset at the end of an iRiver playlist?
16.32.37 #       <amiconn> global_settings.resume_index it is. But I think you're right, and it's a bug
16.32.57 #       <Cassandra> *nods*  Any idea where I should look to fix it?
16.33.28 #       <amiconn> I would ask Slasheri
16.33.45 #       <amiconn> You could also try to compare how this is handled on archos
16.33.59 #       <amiconn> archos code is in firmware/mpeg.c
16.34.07 #       <amiconn> iriver code is in apps/playback.c
16.39.36 #       <preglow> cats are cool
16.39.41 #       <preglow> i might be getting one when i move
16.39.50 #       * Cassandra has 4.
16.39.57 #       <Cassandra> But only 1 brain between them.
16.40.02 #       <preglow> of course
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16.41.13 #       <rasher> http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ <-- Matrix plugin available
16.41.17 #       <preglow> but i gotta go buy something for my throat
16.41.18 #       <preglow> oooooh
16.41.29 #       <Cassandra> Useful.
16.41.30 #       <rasher> except it's somehow broken, and I can't figure out why
16.41.40 #       <rasher> Cassandra: I know!
16.41.48 #       <Cassandra> I wish people'd stop writing damn plugins.  I keep having to document the bastard things.
16.41.59 #       <rasher> Well this doesn't do anything
16.42.03 #       <rasher> "press stop to exit"
16.42.04 #       <preglow> so...
16.42.05 #       <rasher> that's it
16.42.08 #       <preglow> it's testable?
16.42.09 #       <Cassandra> No offense to you, rasher.  Sounds cool.
16.42.12 #       <rasher> Sure
16.42.20 #       <rasher> the animation just dies after a few seconds
16.42.24 #       <Cassandra> I still have to do a screenshot.  Well, per platform.
16.42.50 #       <preglow> rasher: this'll be cool with grayscale!
16.43.00 #       <rasher> preglow: not with the current font it won't, but yes
16.43.27 #       <rasher> Should use the font from the xmatrix screensaver I suppose
16.43.30 #       <preglow> rasher: why not? the font doesn't have to be grayscale to be able to scale it to other shades of gray
16.43.38 #       <rasher> Oh, true
16.43.49 #       <rasher> but it's so thin and pretty aliased
16.44.27 #       <rasher> well, noticably line-ish
16.45.35 #       <preglow> oh, well
16.45.42 #       <preglow> i gotta go back to writing
16.45.50 #       <preglow> and possiblt killing myself
16.45.50 #       <preglow> later
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16.55.00 #       <Rori> which lossless codec is playing back best at the moment?
16.55.18 #       <amiconn> How do you mean?
16.55.28 #       <Rori> which lossless compression codec
16.55.28 #       <Cassandra> Is it just me, or is seeking completely failing to work in oggs?
16.55.29 #       <amiconn> Both plain wav and wavpack are playing nicely
16.55.39 #       <Rori> ape, flac, wv?
16.55.41 #       <amiconn> Seeking doesn't work in ogg yetr
16.55.58 #       <amiconn> Rori: ape isn't supported, and flac has performance problems
16.56.02 #       <Rori> ok
16.56.19 #       <amiconn> So wavpack is your best option
16.58.04 #       <Rori> can you ff/rw wavpack?
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17.16.00 #       <linuxstb> Rori: Yes, seeking in wavpack works.
17.17.19 #       <linuxstb> I agree that wavpack is the best lossless codec on the iRiver.  It's probably the most worked-on codec apart from MP3, and the work has been done by the wavpack author himself (David Bryant).
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17.26.50 #       <Rori> neat
17.27.07 #       <Rori> maybe record direct to wavpack? :)
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17.29.01 #       <Rori> what is a .m4a file?
17.31.11 #       <linuxstb> Apple use .m4a for both AAC and ALAC (Apple Lossless Audio Codec).  But it's probably AAC.
17.31.56 #       <linuxstb> Recording to wavpack should be possible - wavpack encoding and decoding have a similar complexity.
17.33.28 #       <Rori> that would rule
17.33.42 #       <Rori> lossless recording with nearly half the space used
17.33.58 #       <linuxstb> Indeed.
17.35.12 #       <Rori> I love it when I dig into my CD collection and discover something I forgot I had
17.35.16 #       <amiconn> That depends on waveform complexity. My test album got reduced by merely ~33%
17.35.27 #       <amiconn> Still a bit better than FLAC though
17.35.28 #       <Rori> it all helps
17.36.35 #       <Rori> haha 
17.36.41 #       <Rori> found a CD not on freedb
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17.37.58 #       * amiconn is going to try the new gfx stuff for the first time :holds breath:
17.38.58 #       * ashridah lights prayer candle
17.39.37 #       <amiconn> The part I've already done seems to work...
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17.41.42 #       <Slasheri> hi
17.43.11 #       <Moos> hi Slasheri
17.43.52 #       <Moos> have you got news about bugfix for playback?
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17.44.15 #       <Slasheri> no, i am currently working on dsp support for playback system
17.44.22 #       <Slasheri> after that i will try to do more bugfixes
17.45.13 #       <amiconn> Okay, seems all went well up to now
17.45.20 #       <amiconn> Next parts...
17.45.44 #       <Slasheri> sounds great :)
17.45.58 #       <Moos> w00t
17.45.59 #       <Rori> MP3 still needs a fix for FF/RW accuracy and 22khz playback
17.46.09 #       <linuxstb> Do we have a list of known bugs for the iRiver playback code?  
17.46.26 #       <amiconn> Currently I'm doing this in the recorder lcd driver only, meaning in current state iriver won't even compile
17.46.27 #       <Slasheri> linuxstb: i have some list, maybe i could put that online
17.46.49 #       <amiconn> But porting is easy, the routines in question just need to be copied verbatim
17.46.53 #       <linuxstb> What about here?: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverStatus
17.47.09 #       <linuxstb> I started that page, but haven't linked to it from anywhere yet...
17.48.51 #       <Slasheri> linuxstb: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/playback_bugs.txt, there are something in form of irc logs :)
17.50.00 #       <linuxstb> Slasheri: OK, I'll try and tidy it up and add it to the IriverStatus page.
17.50.06 #       <Slasheri> good :)
17.50.29 #       <linuxstb> I'll try and replicate the bugs before listing them...
17.51.23 #       <Slasheri> there is also one bug related to buffer filling while player is on motion and can't access really well to the hdd
17.51.33 #       <Slasheri> i don't yet know exactly what causes that
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17.52.03 #       <Slasheri> but it will cause skipping and eventually may crash the system if the hdd can't be accessed
17.57.00 #       <amiconn> That shouldn't happen. It should try to recover, stopping the sound meanwhile if the buffer is running out
17.57.17 #       <amiconn> That's what the archos implementation does
17.57.47 #       <Slasheri> yep, but there is some bug somewhere. I have managed to crash the system only two times so i don't know yet what causes it
17.57.58 #       <Slasheri> The playback will normally stop and resume
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18.09.37 #       <Cassandra> Speaking of which, the resume info isn't being correctly overwritten once a playlist finishes.
18.10.53 #       <Cassandra> And the keyboard driver hates me, but I don't think that's anyone's fault.
18.11.29 #       <Cassandra> What button event would you expect the keyboard driver to return when you called a blocking read while the ON button was held down?
18.12.17 #       <Cassandra> I was expecting it not to return until I let go of the key, but apparently not.
18.12.18 #       <amiconn> BUTTON_ON|BUTTON_REPEAT
18.12.30 #       <amiconn> Why should it return nothing?
18.12.44 #       <Cassandra> Cause my brain isn't working?
18.14.05 #       <amiconn> If it would not do that, it would be impossible to receive button_repeat events with blocking reads
18.14.12 #       <amiconn> ...and that would be plain wrong
18.14.57 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
18.15.08 #       <Cassandra> What about if you called a non-blocking read?
18.15.17 #       <amiconn> same
18.15.41 #       <amiconn> The read method doesn't influence the return value
18.15.52 #       <amiconn> ...doing otherwise would be silly
18.16.05 #       <Cassandra>         while (button_get(false) & TREE_POWER_BTN) sleep(HZ/10);
18.16.23 #       <amiconn> Why would you do that????
18.16.24 #       <Cassandra> I would expect that to wait until the ON button is released.  It doesn't seem to.
18.18.23 #       <amiconn> It should, but it will also eat the first event after the power button was released
18.19.01 #       <amiconn> (if that event follows within the sleep() time)
18.19.12 #       <Cassandra> Which is not likely.
18.19.15 #       <amiconn> Just eating button event is often a rather bad idea
18.19.33 #       <Cassandra> Well it doesn't work anyway.  Falls straight through that bit of code.
18.19.45 #       <amiconn> It is very likely if the next event is already in the queue
18.20.05 #       <amiconn> The button driver is queued, don't forget that
18.20.13 #       <amiconn> ...and that is a good thing imho
18.20.15 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
18.20.26 #       <Cassandra> Wish I knew why it wasn't doing what I expected though.
18.20.40 #       <amiconn> I don't get what you're trying to do
18.21.05 #       <amiconn> There already is code in the resume request to handle the case of a still held down power button
18.21.21 #       <Cassandra> There was a good reason why I ripped it out.
18.21.31 #       <Cassandra> Unfortunately I can't remember it now.
18.21.46 #       <Cassandra> However, I think I'll have a rest and come back at it fresh.
18.21.58 #       <Cassandra> And start by putting that code back in.
18.22.30 #       <amiconn> The gfx code is also somewhat difficult
18.22.38 #       <amiconn> So many cases to handle...
18.22.56 #       <amiconn> I *want* full clipping support
18.23.01 #       <Cassandra> Yeah.  A lot of rockbox is like that.  It's the downside of such feature rich code.
18.23.09 #       <amiconn> ...with as little additional code as possible
18.23.38 #       <Rori> I notice you have to be REALLY quick when pushing the remote button to start Rockbox instead of iRiver
18.23.41 #       <amiconn> Fortunately I already have some code I can reference - the grayscale library
18.23.47 #       <Rori> any way to increase the time?
18.24.02 #       <amiconn> I can't use it verbativ - too many tradeoffs in that code.
18.24.27 #       <amiconn> Rori: That is a bootloader feature. Removing it requires updating the bootloader
18.25.05 #       <Rori> it's too darned quick you have to literally flick the button to get it to load Rockbox
18.25.05 #       <amiconn> ...and that should be done by someone knowledgeable equipped with a bdm
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18.25.09 #       <amiconn> ..i.e. Linus
18.26.09 #       <Cassandra> AFAIK you can't start Rockbox from the remote.
18.26.20 #       <Rori> I'd say a count of 1 second for Rockbox and 3 seconds for iRiver would be best
18.26.21 #       <Cassandra> It always starts the original firmware.
18.26.24 #       <Rori> Yes you can
18.26.38 #       <Rori> you have to press the play button very quickly
18.26.40 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: You have to be really quick
18.26.51 #       <t0mas> pffff... 
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18.27.20 #       <Cassandra> Well *I* can't.
18.27.55 #       <t0mas> ghehe
18.27.57 #       <t0mas> I tried it
18.28.03 #       <t0mas> you have to be _very_ quick
18.28.07 #       <t0mas> but it's possible
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18.28.35 #       <Cassandra> From what I remember of the CVS, that's actually a bug.
18.28.37 #       <t0mas> maybe Linus can add the new idea (< 2 sec = rockbox > 2 sec = iriver) to bootloader v3 ?
18.28.53 #       <t0mas> Cassandra: it was... but in that version you didn't have to be so quick
18.28.58 #       <amiconn> I'd say drop iriver boot from the remote
18.29.01 #       <Cassandra> Frankly I'd rather see him check the record button like with the main unit.
18.29.12 #       <t0mas> that would be ok to me to
18.29.14 #       <t0mas> *to
18.29.16 #       <t0mas> *too
18.29.16 #       <amiconn> The record button check is sufficient, imho
18.29.18 #       <t0mas> man...
18.29.22 #       <amiconn> ...and only on the main unit
18.29.59 #       <Rori> when MP3 at lower Hz is sorted I can safely dump iRiver fw boot anyhow
18.30.00 #       <Cassandra> Dunno.  It might be kind of useful to be able to start the iRiver firmware from the remote.
18.30.11 #       <Rori> I need 22Khz etc playback
18.30.19 #       <Rori> for audio books
18.31.01 #       <t0mas> Rori: update to latest cvs
18.31.05 #       <t0mas> it's working now :)
18.31.11 #       <Rori> cool!
18.31.14 #       <amiconn> Rori: It should already work (for mp3)
18.31.47 #       <Rori> but I still want to boot to Rockbox easily from remote (can't wait for LCD browser etc to work on remote I use the remote a lot)
18.32.02 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: As soon as rockbox does all things it should do for a first release, I'd even dump iriver fw completely
18.32.22 #       <t0mas> amiconn: then it'll need a fw update function too...
18.32.28 #       <amiconn> Of course
18.32.41 #       <amiconn> ...and rockbox should be flashable
18.32.49 #       <t0mas> that would be nice... yes
18.32.53 #       <amiconn> -> less boot delay
18.33.01 #       <t0mas> but I think thats something for linus again? bdm needed?
18.33.11 #       <amiconn> Yes
18.33.34 #       <Cassandra> Doesn't really need to boot much quicker, to be honest.
18.33.40 #       <amiconn> At least the first stages...
18.34.17 #       <t0mas> how big is the iriver fw?
18.34.33 #       <t0mas> and how big is the flash rom?
18.36.43 #       <Rori> hmmm. bookmarking works great. I wish there was a way for it to distinguish between an audio book and a music file though
18.37.03 #       <Rori> from a tag for instance
18.37.40 #       <Rori> Like. Have an option to only bookmark files with an audiobook genre tag
18.38.13 #       <Rori> I always have ideas for Rockbox lol
18.38.27 #       <Rori> shame I can't code shit
18.38.43 #       <Rori> I'm an idea's man! ;)
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19.03.47 #       <Rori> has anyone figured out why sometimes I get 'codec failure' during playback and it drops back to the file list? it's only occasionally
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19.07.18 #       <Moos> Rori: look if you don't have any songs unsuported (i think at WMA), hapened here with WMA the codec it's not currently implemented in lib
19.07.57 #       <Rori> I don't understand that statement
19.08.18 #       <Rori> this is playing back MP3
19.08.36 #       <Moos> have you only MP3
19.08.47 #       <Rori> no Ogg too
19.09.26 #       <Moos> strange
19.09.32 #       <Moos> 44Mhz
19.09.38 #       <Rori> lightning...big thunder clap
19.09.40 #       <Rori> ooh!
19.09.42 #       <Rori> scary :)
19.10.18 #       <Moos> don't remenber, playback it don't curently bug free ;)
19.10.38 #       <Moos> Slasheri work on it
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19.11.09 #       <Rori> no worries
19.11.11 #       <Moos> but here the only files with this panic are for my rare WMA files
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19.13.46 #       <Plugh_> anyone know of a text to mp3 conversion util that's free?
19.13.57 #       <amiconn> ugha
19.14.00 #       <Plugh_> something that uses the MS voice would be fine
19.14.44 #       <Rori> I know of one but not it's name
19.17.04 #       <Plugh_> I have some books in txt format and would prefer to listen to them than read them
19.17.14 #       <amiconn> That will become a monster commit for sure :-/
19.17.16 #       <Plugh_> and I don't mind computer voice
19.17.27 #       <amiconn> Expect some graphics glitches...
19.18.35 #       <Rori> http://www.nextup.com/
19.18.40 #       <Rori> look there
19.20.32 #       * amiconn is currently contemplating whether it would be easier to *not* have a global draw mode, but make the draw mode an additional parameter...
19.22.53 #       <Rori> AT&T Natural Voices is one of the best text to speech engines around. Uses real voices and splits the vowels and consonants up into little slices then uses them to reconstruct speech that sounds more realistic
19.24.01 #       <Plugh_> looking, Rori, but it's 20 bucks
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19.24.28 #       <Rori> you could always try P2P ;)
19.24.35 #       <Rori> cheapskate :P
19.24.56 #       <Plugh_> no, just P-whipped
19.25.06 #       <Plugh_> my wife won't spring for anything like that
19.26.46 #       <Rori> well get it from P2P and then pay later if you like it
19.29.18 #       <Plugh_> trying it
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19.38.08 #       <Thasp> [13:14:42] <Plugh_> anyone know of a text to mp3 conversion util that's free? <--- ? o_O
19.38.24 #       <Thasp> they have those nowadays? :o
19.39.42 #       <Rori> I was listening to the sample MP3's and AT&T Ray sounds the best. Does not seem to have those synthetic glitches between the phonemes
19.40.09 #       <Rori> but it's a short sample so hard to tell. Still a bit too pausey for my liking but very understandable
19.40.49 #       <Rori> A real person reading changes the tone of their voice depending on the meaning of the phrase
19.40.57 #       <ze> somebody should do a physical modelling speech synthesizer
19.41.27 #       <Rori> People read something adding their own 'flair' to give a phrases, sentence or paragraph meaning
19.42.07 #       <Plugh_> Thasp: the voice menu tagger for directories is a free text to speech converter
19.42.09 #       <Rori> although these text to speech engines are getting better and better they still lack that quality
19.42.28 #       <Plugh_> I could probably hack it up for text files
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19.42.36 #       <HCl> hello
19.42.40 #       <godzirra> heya!
19.43.00 #       <godzirra> I see that you guys have ihp-120 support and I'm looking at changing to your firmware, but I'm on a linux box and had a question or two. ;)
19.43.07 #       <HCl> mm?
19.43.27 #       <Plugh_> don't ask permission to ask a question
19.43.29 #       <HCl> thats not really a but, since windows is more unpractical with rockbox (when developing)
19.43.30 #       <Plugh_> fire away
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19.43.59 #       <godzirra> I wasn't asking permission.  I was stating something. ;)  
19.44.07 #       <HCl> what're the questions?
19.44.25 #       <godzirra> I was curious where I get the tools to update the firmware the "hard way"... specifically descramble, mkboot, etc.
19.44.32 #       <HCl> they're in cvs
19.44.40 #       <godzirra> (Sorry.. a bit laggy... compiling a ton of stuff.)
19.44.43 #       <HCl> in the tools sub directory
19.44.56 #       <hicks> godzirra, The fwpatcher works with wine.
19.44.57 #       <hicks> Thats the way I did it on linux.
19.44.57 #       <godzirra> Ah..  I havent checked them out from CVS yet.
19.45.05 #       <godzirra> hicks: I'm installing wine now to see if it works for me.
19.45.19 #       * HCl yawns
19.45.29 #       <godzirra> thats whats compiling.
19.45.36 #       <hicks> ah lol :)
19.46.46 #       <HCl> its less trouble to just check out cvs.. but okay
19.47.04 #       <HCl> cold showers rule
19.47.51 #       <godzirra> I'm reading the cvs docs now 
19.48.28 #       <godzirra> crap. havent installed cvs on this box yet.
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19.55.41 #       <amiconn> There are many places that require a different drawmode everytime...
19.56.56 #       <amiconn> ...but otoh I remember that implementing a global drawmode reduced code size when I did the grayscale lib...
19.58.15 #       <amiconn> ...and if I go for an additional parameter, the question arises how to handle brightness / colour as soon as I start implementing 2-bit gfx...
19.58.30 #       <amiconn> More parameters???
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20.00.13 #       <godzirra> When I configure the tools, do I want normal or bootloader?
20.00.19 #       <godzirra> for my first install onto an IHP-120
20.12.12 #       <godzirra> All the sudden wine seems much easier when I Realize I have to compile the cross compiler still. :)
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20.29.56 #       <Coldtoast> I found a situation where backlight fading isn't smooth
20.30.19 #       <Coldtoast> nothing very important tho
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20.30.31 #       <Coldtoast> just when you run a plugin like Cube
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20.31.19 #       <Coldtoast> I imagine you'd never get it smooth in that situation anyway
20.32.38 #       <amiconn> Perfectly smooth here
20.33.03 #       <Coldtoast> really? I ran it today and it wasn't
20.33.15 #       <amiconn> There will be some plugins that will disable backlight fading while they're running, but these aren't implemented for iriver yet
20.33.32 #       <amiconn> (metronome, video etc)
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20.34.55 #       <Coldtoast> ah. sorry. it was Logo
20.34.57 #       <Coldtoast> notCube
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20.35.50 #       <amiconn> Hmm, you're right
20.36.00 #       <amiconn> I wonder why that is - shouldn't happen
20.36.10 #       <amiconn> The backlight fading is interrupt driven
20.36.25 #       <Coldtoast> that's interesting
20.36.49 #       <amiconn> Seems you found a bug
20.37.00 #       <Coldtoast> oh
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20.37.13 #       <Slasheri> I think the plugin does not keep cpu_boost in sync
20.37.28 #       <HCl> hey Slasheri 
20.37.35 #       <Slasheri> so it calls cpu_boost(false) more often than cpu_boost(true)
20.37.36 #       <HCl> any progress on that end of song event thing?
20.37.37 #       <Slasheri> hi HCl :)
20.37.39 #       <amiconn> The plugin doesn't touch cpu_boost
20.37.49 #       <amiconn> ...and it also happens with snow.rock
20.38.03 #       <Slasheri> HCl: do you really need information about previous song or is current/next song information enough?
20.38.05 #       <godzirra> I keep watching what you guys are saying and I understand every third or fourth line. ;)  Usually the ones where you're saying hi to someone else.
20.38.17 #       <Slasheri> Hmm..
20.38.25 #       <Slasheri> interesting
20.38.32 #       <HCl> Slasheri: in theory, next is enough, but then i also need an event on the start of a song
20.38.39 #       <HCl> at least
20.38.41 #       <HCl> if i can assume
20.38.44 #       <HCl> that the next song
20.38.47 #       <HCl> also means that the last has finished
20.38.57 #       <Slasheri> HCl: yes, you will get that event always with the information about next song :)
20.39.09 #       <HCl> also if there is no next song
20.39.09 #       <HCl> ?
20.39.15 #       <HCl> say it reaches end of playlist
20.39.18 #       <HCl> will i still get the event?
20.39.24 #       <Slasheri> then you will get an event with empty value
20.39.28 #       <Slasheri> yes
20.39.34 #       <HCl> okay, then that should be fine
20.39.39 #       <Slasheri> good :)
20.39.39 #       <HCl> will i get one before playing any song?
20.39.56 #       <HCl> like
20.40.02 #       <HCl> if the first song gets played
20.40.03 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, no? You get it when first song starts playing
20.40.06 #       <HCl> will i get one before it plays?
20.40.09 #       <HCl> k
20.40.40 #       <Slasheri> you get the event at exact time when real audio output begins
20.40.48 #       <HCl> should be fine :)
20.40.52 #       <Slasheri> great :)
20.41.52 #       <Coldtoast> L ike that you re-added the playl;ist options as well as leaving them in the Playlist menu, btw
20.42.24 #       <Slasheri> HCl: I can't patch the code right now because i have lots of changes and the code doesn't work at all but you could do the change: in playback.c uncomment queue_post(&audio_queue, AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED, 0); Then in case AUDIO_TRACK_CHANGED: add your function call there
20.43.00 #       <HCl> okay
20.43.02 #       <HCl> i'll try
20.43.04 #       <HCl> thanks
20.43.06 #       <Slasheri> :)
20.44.00 #       <Slasheri> i think you can pass the id3 structure to your function
20.44.11 #       <Slasheri> you can read the pathname from that struct
20.44.13 #       <HCl> yea
20.44.15 #       <HCl> thanks
20.44.18 #       <HCl> i'll look at it in a bit
20.44.20 #       <HCl>  :)
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20.51.57 #       * amiconn strongly hopes that Linus' commit doesn't clash with my changes :-/
20.56.21 #       <Moos> we hope too
20.56.41 #       <Moos> have you solved your complicated puzzle?
20.57.07 #       <Moos> *your
20.57.11 #       <amiconn> Yes, at least I hope so
20.57.23 #       <Moos> :)
20.57.46 #       <amiconn> I'll keep the drawmode concept, and set some conventions
20.57.57 #       <amiconn> See my latest wiki update
20.58.11 #       <Moos> oky
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21.01.05 #       <Moos> i congrats you, apear for me very complicated
21.01.24 #       <amiconn> It's tedious
21.01.25 #       <Moos> i'm not very competent for this things
21.01.42 #       <amiconn> That will become a monster commit - so many places to change
21.02.03 #       <godzirra> Wow...  the rockbox on my ihp120 looks ... weird.
21.02.12 #       <godzirra> Its got an odd line underneat the progress of a song, for instance.
21.02.22 #       <Moos> amiconn: it was laborious?
21.02.36 #       <godzirra> Is that normal?
21.02.52 #       <amiconn> godzirra: That's the not-yet-functional peakmeter
21.03.12 #       <godzirra> Ahh, gotcha.
21.03.23 #       <t0mas> godzirra: take a look at the CustomWps page in the wiki
21.03.43 #       <t0mas> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
21.03.44 #       <t0mas> there
21.03.54 #       <Moos> hi t0mas
21.03.57 #       <t0mas> (or get one here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery)
21.04.00 #       <t0mas> hi Moos 
21.04.09 #       <godzirra> Thanks.  Reading.
21.04.11 #       <amiconn> Haha:  #> makemake
21.04.16 #       <amiconn> -> command not found
21.05.52 #       <godzirra> IS the 'default' supposed to only use half the screen? 
21.07.49 #       <Stryke`> with the default font, you can fit 26 lines on the iRiver, i don't think anyone has a 26 line wps
21.07.59 #       <godzirra> Yeah.. that seems a bit extreme.
21.08.10 #       <godzirra> I'll play with a few.. just trying to get it to look.... normal. :)
21.08.21 #       <Stryke`> the font i use Chicago 12, you get 9 lines
21.08.31 #       <godzirra> And I guess my A-B button doesnt change the playmode anymore.
21.08.41 #       <t0mas> it doesn't
21.09.08 #       <amiconn> Stryke`: The default font allows 15 lines (16 without status bar)
21.09.13 #       <godzirra> Was that a statement or a question?
21.09.49 #       <amiconn> For 26 lines you'll need a 5-pixel font
21.10.08 #       <Cassandra> I'd like to see an example of a WPS using images.
21.10.44 #       <Stryke`> my mistake
21.10.50 #       <Coldtoast> I have on Cassandra
21.10.55 #       <Coldtoast> simpl etho
21.11.32 #       <Coldtoast> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/WPS.jpg
21.12.29 #       <Cassandra> Looks good though.
21.12.55 #       <godzirra> t0mas: Was that a question or a statement?
21.13.04 #       <Coldtoast> thx. it's nice and clearn
21.13.25 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: I love that.. its nice looking.
21.13.33 #       <Coldtoast> cool
21.13.45 #       <Coldtoast> I went back to the iriver firmware and it's SO hard to look at now
21.13.54 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: I can imagine.  Where can I get your WPS? :)
21.13.58 #       <Moos> especially with the soon commiting of amiconn ;-)
21.14.04 #       <Coldtoast> everything's SO massive
21.14.19 #       <godzirra> hehe
21.14.24 #       <Cassandra> Always said amicon should be commited. :)
21.14.36 #       <Moos> :)
21.14.40 #       <Moos> indeed
21.14.42 #       <Coldtoast> hmmI think I might zip it up and upload it
21.14.49 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: Would you please?  I'd like to try it out.
21.14.56 #       <amiconn> Moos: My commit is supposed to not change the appearance, but there might be bugs
21.15.17 #       <hardeep> don't you mean undocumented features?
21.15.17 #       <amiconn> ...and it is a big step forward towards more flexible graphics
21.15.50 #       <Moos> a ok, and about greyscale?
21.16.02 #       <Moos> an oyher step?
21.16.06 #       <amiconn> That is the next step when the gfx api is done
21.16.25 #       <Moos> k
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21.16.36 #       <amiconn> I'm testing concepts with that api as well
21.16.50 #       <t0mas> <godzirra> t0mas: Was that a question or a statement?  <-- statement
21.16.54 #       <t0mas> but I don't like that ;)
21.17.10 #       <Coldtoast> with the .wps, it'd be cool if you had avvess to the icons rockbox has inbuilt
21.17.15 #       <t0mas> I only haven't dared to toch it because of Cassandra and amiconn being busy with buttons things
21.17.29 #       <Coldtoast> so you could have a little icon of a musical note in front of a trackname
21.17.33 #       <t0mas> Coldtoast: acces to the icons isn't hard...
21.17.46 #       <t0mas> sounds like a good idea...
21.17.57 #       <t0mas> just add an image tag for build in images
21.18.07 #       <Coldtoast> yeah
21.18.16 #       <t0mas> %xf image from file
21.18.22 #       <t0mas> %xb buildin image
21.18.28 #       <t0mas> %xd display the image
21.18.37 #       <t0mas> (because we wanted to separate that)
21.18.52 #       <west-acre>  Rockbox is an Open Source replacement firmware for the Archos Jukebox 5000, 6000, Studio, Recorder, FM Recorder, Recorder V2 and Ondio MP3 players.
21.18.52 #       <west-acre> Rockbox is a complete rewrite and uses no fragments of the original firmware. It boasts numerous features while remaining easy to use.
21.18.52 #       <west-acre> Installing Rockbox does not harm your Archos, it works the same way you upgrade your ordinary Archos firmware. 
21.19.10 #       <west-acre> no iriver ?
21.19.28 #       <HCl> iriver is still testing.
21.19.35 #       <t0mas> the site is way behind development
21.19.45 #       <t0mas> we need some people to update it when we're about to release for iriver
21.19.46 #       <godzirra> t0mas: Ack. its set to infinitely loop my directory I'm in... thats ...  bad.
21.19.47 #       <Moos> pre alpha version
21.19.56 #       <godzirra> t0mas: is there no current way to set your playback mode then?
21.19.58 #       <t0mas> godzirra: you can change it in the settings
21.20.17 #       <t0mas> settings -> general -> playback or settings -> playback
21.20.20 #       <t0mas> I'm not sure
21.20.49 #       <t0mas> settings -> general settings -> playback -> resume
21.20.54 #       <t0mas> erm
21.20.54 #       <t0mas> repeat
21.21.32 #       <godzirra> ah.. ok.
21.21.46 #       <godzirra> this may be a silly question... but pressing my nav button doesnt get me to settings anymore...
21.21.47 #       <Coldtoast> godzirra: www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/edan.zip
21.22.01 #       <godzirra> nor do I know how to go up a directory.
21.22.32 #       <Cassandra> Left.
21.22.46 #       <godzirra> wow.
21.22.49 #       <godzirra> that makes sense.
21.22.58 #       <godzirra> Sorry.. not used to my iriver making sense.
21.24.23 #       <Coldtoast> godzirra: put all the files in that zip in .rockbox. If you want to be neater and put images in a subdir, you'll have to edit the .wps yourself.
21.24.37 #       <godzirra> Hrm... it says if you put your .wps file in .rockbox, you have to "play" the wps to load it?
21.24.45 #       <Coldtoast> yep
21.24.52 #       <godzirra> but when I try to go into the .rockbox directory, its telling me "Play resume, yes or no?
21.26.04 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: If I make the images a directory, do I need to use \ or / 's?
21.26.14 #       <godzirra> mv the images into a directory I mean
21.26.23 #       <Cassandra> Yeah.  You need to use the SELECT button (centre of the joystick)
21.26.51 #       <godzirra> Cassandra: thats what I was using
21.27.00 #       <Coldtoast> "/"
21.27.09 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: Thanks
21.28.14 #       <godzirra> I hit "select", "left", "up" (until I get to the 'X rockbox' directory) and hit "select" again and it says this:
21.28.17 #       <godzirra> Rolo Loading
21.28.26 #       <west-acre> hey hoo designed the rockbox logo?
21.28.30 #       <godzirra> then:  "Resume?  PLAY = Yes Any Other = No
21.28.41 #       <west-acre> http://www.rockbox.org/rockbox100.png
21.28.45 #       <Coldtoast> you're selecting rockbox.iriver. not .rockbox
21.29.01 #       <godzirra> hrm. I don't see .rockbox then? :/
21.30.33 #       <Coldtoast> do you have General Settings>File View>Show Files set to All?
21.30.53 #       <godzirra> not if it didnt come that way by default. Lemme try that.
21.31.03 #       <Coldtoast> ok. it's set to Supported then
21.31.06 #       <godzirra> on a side note, after flashing, do I need ihp_120.hex on my irivers hard drive?
21.32.11 #       <HCl> no.
21.33.38 #       <godzirra> great.
21.33.52 #       <godzirra> now I'm just trying to find a "here's what the keys do now" in the documentation
21.34.34 #       <godzirra> ahh found it
21.34.35 #       <amiconn> :shock:
21.35.30 #       <amiconn> I think I should commit what I have as soon as it compiles cleanly, but I may not be around to fix quirks during the weekend
21.36.01 #       <amiconn> If I don't commit, chances are that I'll get a whole bunch of clashes next week :-/
21.36.34 #       <Moos> commit ;)
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21.37.30 #       <amiconn> It will take a while to get it to compile cleanly
21.40.34 #       <godzirra> ok. how the heck do I get into my settings menu :/
21.42.35 #       <godzirra> Darnit.. the pdf settings don't have info on what each key does for the iriver
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21.44.49 #       <Cassandra> the MODE (A-B) button.
21.47.16 #       <godzirra> Cassandra: thank you
21.47.20 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: your wps looks awesome.
21.47.35 #       <godzirra> ok.. one last question.. I appreciate all your help, and rockbox seriously kicks some ass.
21.47.49 #       <godzirra> Is it normal to take about 2 seconds between when you hit pause and when it actually pauses?
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21.49.34 #       <Cassandra> It fades out.
21.49.59 #       <godzirra> ok.. thats a cool feature, was just curious if that was by design or not.  
21.50.13 #       <godzirra> Is there anything that a non-Cish type programmer can do to contribute to the project?
21.50.26 #       <godzirra> I'm a web programmer and do perl stuff and database stuff a lot, but C was never my strong point.
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21.52.12 #       <Cassandra> I don't know of anything specific.
21.52.28 #       <Coldtoast> the little "rockbox" in the bottom right looks cute, huh? :)
21.52.40 #       <godzirra> hrm.. my littel rockbox isnt showing up :/
21.53.22 #       <godzirra> that was the teeny_logo.bmp right?
21.53.36 #       <Coldtoast> oh? hmmmm. dunno why that'd be. I am using the rockbox_default.fnt tho
21.53.37 #       <Coldtoast> yeah
21.55.14 #       <godzirra> not sure why its not showing up
21.55.36 #       <godzirra> This is the right first line righT?
21.55.37 #       <godzirra> %x1|edan_img/teeny_logo.bmp|116|117|%x2|edan_img/now.bmp|0|8|%x3|edan_img/art_alb.bmp|0|32|%x4|edan_img/next.bmp|0|56|
21.55.44 #       <godzirra> Assuming I copied all the images into edan_img/
21.56.22 #       <Coldtoast> this is odd. I rearranged mine so I have all teh images in .rockbox/wps/edan
21.56.54 #       <godzirra> that line looks right doesnt it?
21.57.07 #       <Coldtoast> and yeah. using %x1|wps/edan/teeny_logo.bmp|116|117| doesn't load it
21.57.12 #       <godzirra> Hrm.
21.57.25 #       <godzirra> all the other images load though.
21.57.29 #       <Coldtoast> hey godzirra: see the "Current Track" image?
21.57.35 #       <godzirra> yup
21.57.36 #       <Coldtoast> with the tiny dots after it?
21.57.40 #       <godzirra> I see the other ones all just fine.
21.57.48 #       <godzirra> artist/album and next track too
21.57.48 #       <Coldtoast> ok. are you missing any dots in that one?
21.57.50 #       <godzirra> yup
21.57.55 #       <Coldtoast> me too
21.57.57 #       <godzirra> weird.
21.58.21 #       <Coldtoast> but if you put all the images in .rockbox and use no ptahs in teh wps to load them, it all works
21.58.22 #       <amiconn> :sigh:
21.58.35 #       <Coldtoast> ptahs=paths
22.00.36 #       <godzirra> hrm.  how weird.
22.00.40 #       <godzirra> that only that one image doesnt load though
22.00.44 #       <godzirra> the other ones load fine in the paths.
22.00.58 #       <godzirra> Coldtoast: Perhaps try adding another image (any image) before the teenylogo... maybe it just isnt loadingf the first image for some reason?
22.01.21 #       <Coldtoast> there's something else odd happening tho
22.01.47 #       <Coldtoast> www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/WPS.jpg is how it looks with all files in .rockbox
22.02.28 #       <Coldtoast> www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/dump_0002.JPG is how it looks with the images in a subdir
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22.03.06 #       <Coldtoast> the little logo isn't there and there's a bit missing from the "Current Track" image
22.03.10 #       <godzirra> Thats weird
22.03.12 #       <godzirra> I have no idea.
22.04.16 #       <Coldtoast> seems liek something that'l be fixed in an upcoming build. Not something wrogn with my .wps
22.04.44 #       <godzirra> right
22.04.46 #       <amiconn> It seems I have to touch every friggin plugin
22.05.30 #       <Cassandra> How annoying.
22.05.55 #       <godzirra> how do you tell what plugins at.. or better, where can I read about plugins?
22.07.26 #       <Cassandra> The manual's a good place to start.  Or the wiki.
22.08.09 #       <godzirra> thanks.. I'm off to read both.  Thanks for all the info. :)
22.08.20 #       <Coldtoast> godzirra: my wps works correctly as I sent it tho
22.08.26 #       <Coldtoast> just dump it all in .rockbox
22.08.45 #       <Coldtoast> I can deal with that. hehe. Interesting to find a little niggly tho
22.12.47 #       <godzirra> All good.  I still love the wps.
22.14.15 #       <Coldtoast> cool, make one ;)\
22.14.28 #       <godzirra> I will when I have more time to read the docs. ;)
22.15.12 #       <godzirra> weird.
22.15.18 #       <godzirra> I moved everything into .rockbox/wps
22.15.24 #       <godzirra> including edan.wps and all the images
22.15.28 #       <godzirra> and still get the same results.. almost
22.15.40 #       <godzirra> the teeny_logo pops up for a split second on the top RIGHT corner and then disappears.
22.16.07 #       <Coldtoast> yeah. the status bar probably destroys it
22.16.17 #       <godzirra> in your image though it was in the bottom left corner?
22.16.24 #       <Coldtoast> yeah
22.17.11 #       <Coldtoast> supposed to load it at 116, 117
22.17.45 #       <godzirra> thats where its loading it
22.17.51 #       <godzirra> but 116,117 is the bottom right corner isnt it?
22.17.57 #       <Coldtoast> aye
22.18.00 #       <godzirra> hrm
22.18.36 #       <godzirra> there we go
22.18.37 #       <godzirra> weird.
22.18.39 #       <godzirra> it works now :)
22.18.45 #       <godzirra> I'm going home guys.. I'll chat with everyone later. :)
22.18.49 #       <Coldtoast> well
22.19.03 #       <Coldtoast> the .wps has to be in .rockbox for it to load next boot tho
22.19.08 #       <godzirra> I saw
22.19.10 #       <godzirra> I changed mine
22.20.40 #       <Cassandra> Bye
22.21.09 #       <godzirra> Cassandra: Let me know if there's anything I can do to help the project.  Like I said, I'm not much of a C programmer, but I'll do anything I can to help you.
22.21.59 #       <Cassandra> Best ask someone like LinusN.
22.22.07 #       <Cassandra> I just write the manual.
22.22.09 #       <godzirra> okee dokee.
22.23.38 #       <Cassandra> (and the occasional hack)
22.23.55 #       * amiconn is having a hard time with the clock plugin
22.24.50 #       <Cassandra> What's up?
22.25.17 #       <amiconn> Dozens, erm, hundreds of calls to lcd_clearrect(), lcd_invertrect() ...
22.25.56 #       <Cassandra> Global search/replace?
22.26.07 #       <amiconn> Unfortunately not
22.26.13 #       <Coldtoast> noticed something else. Screendump ignores inverted :CD
22.26.17 #       <Coldtoast> LCD
22.26.19 #       <Cassandra> arse
22.26.24 #       <amiconn> I have to place calls to lcd_set_drawmode() before & after
22.26.42 #       <amiconn> Coldtoast: Inverted lcd is a hardware feature
22.26.58 #       <Coldtoast> ok
22.27.13 #       <Coldtoast> there's something odd with mine
22.27.33 #       <Coldtoast> when I switch to inverted, I have vertical stripes thru it
22.27.55 #       <Coldtoast> not evenly spaced. Looks a bit like a bar code
22.28.54 #       <Coldtoast> but one of the builds from teh past two days didn't do it
22.30.39 #       <Cassandra> Works fine for me.
22.31.47 #       <Coldtoast> yeah. somebody else tried and it was fine for them too
22.32.05 #       <Coldtoast> it'll be my player I guess
22.33.31 #       <Coldtoast> if I adjust the contrast so the screen is black there are no stripes tho
22.50.57 #       <Cassandra> Damn this stupid code.  I *knew* there was a reason I changed it.  It doesn't actually work properly.  The first resume press is *always* ignored, which on iRiver we do not want.
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22.59.58 #       <amiconn> Mrf, I do not get this :-/
23.00.32 #       <amiconn> Why the **** is a #define unknown in a source file although the corresponding header *is* included?
23.00.58 #       <Bagder> run the same gcc line manually with -E
23.01.27 #       <Bagder> usually gives some clues
23.01.34 #       <amiconn> Hmm. Seems it is not included because it isn't found, but the compiler doesn't complain???
23.05.54 #       <amiconn> How do I set verbose mode so I can see the gcc line?
23.06.01 #       <Bagder> make V=1
23.06.14 #       <amiconn> tnx
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23.11.17 #       <hardeep> hmmm, the ondio fm is pretty cool
23.12.17 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Hmm, called the line with added -E. Nothing happens?!
23.13.01 #       <amiconn> Ah no
23.13.12 #       <amiconn> It wrote the text output to the .o file....
23.13.21 #       <Bagder> right, if you kept -o
23.13.28 #       <amiconn> funny
23.19.22 #       <amiconn> Aaaaarrrrrgghhhh!
23.19.27 #       <amiconn> I found the reason
23.19.47 #       <amiconn> There are 2 files called lcd.h, one in rockbox and one in rockboy
23.19.56 #       <hardeep> ick
23.19.58 #       <Bagder> :-O
23.20.06 #       <amiconn> Now what to do about that???
23.20.15 #       <amiconn> I need my drawmode #defines...
23.20.17 #       <Bagder> rename the rockboy one
23.22.47 #       <hardeep> any complaints if I add a feature to reshuffle when the playlist repeats?  i think it would be great for the ondio
23.23.20 #       <Bagder> hardeep: there's a feature request for that since... eons back ;-)
23.23.38 #       <Bagder> iow: would be great
23.23.46 #       <hardeep> i had written something a while back... just found it again heh
23.24.23 #       <Bagder> you an ondio user now?
23.24.54 #       <hardeep> not really, just saw it on ebay and thought why not
23.25.11 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.27.19 #       <amiconn> I'm getting weird compilation problems now :-(
23.28.17 #       <amiconn> hw.c: In function `hw_dma':
23.28.18 #       <amiconn> hw.c:55: error: `lcd' undeclared (first use in this function)
23.28.40 #       <amiconn> lcd is declared in the (renamed) lcd.h, which is properly included in hw.c ...
23.28.51 #       <amiconn> This rockboy stuff is all messy :(
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23.31.56 #       <amiconn> Meh, I think I'll fix that the quick way
23.32.16 #       <hardeep> rm -rf ?
23.32.22 #       <amiconn> I want to get this stuff up and running, delaying the commit for too long won't do any good
23.38.18 #       <Moos> Hola Linus
23.38.25 #       <Moos> que tal?
23.38.53 #       <LinusN> fine, thx
23.39.17 #       <LinusN> or is it "mui bien" or something?
23.39.43 #       <Moos> si muy bien, yo tambien :-)
23.40.16 #       <Moos> ça va les vacances?
23.40.27 #       <LinusN> très bien
23.40.38 #       <LinusN> beacoup de soleil
23.40.59 #       <t0mas> yeah, I hope it stays this way for a few more weeks :)
23.41.14 #       <LinusN> going home tomorrow
23.41.16 #       <amiconn> Ich versteh' nur Bahnhof
23.41.22 #       <Moos> yes t0mas here in france is too hot
23.41.35 #       <t0mas> lol @ amiconn 
23.41.39 #       <amiconn> Yay! It compiled without warnings for recorder :-) Now checking other archos platforms, testing on recorder in parallel
23.41.48 #       <t0mas> Ich spreche ein sehr klein bischen Deutsch...
23.41.53 #       <Moos> alélouia :)
23.42.18 Part    chuch
23.42.19 #       <t0mas> but... I've been thinking about this delayed playing...
23.42.26 #       <t0mas> some people complained about
23.42.45 #       <t0mas> someone removed the call to audio_stop before the next function was called in wps.c
23.43.06 #       <amiconn> LinusN: The recorder binary got ~600 bytes larger due to my gfx changes. Is that acceptable?
23.43.19 #       <amiconn> bitmap drawing is not yet converted
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23.44.16 #       <LinusN> amiconn: of course
23.44.44 #       <amiconn> I hope that it will get a bit smaller again once I applied all my ideas
23.45.45 #       <LinusN> is it "paint-the-build-table-red" commit time then? :-)
23.46.04 #       <amiconn> It shouldn't
23.46.05 #       <Bagder> red is a nice color ;-)
23.46.10 #       <t0mas> ghehe
23.46.43 #       <t0mas> 3 knowledgable devs around... has any of you looked at the next song delay on iriver?
23.47.00 #       <LinusN> i have second thoughts about the playlist menu in the browser context menu
23.47.48 #       <LinusN> t0mas: i guess it takes a few secs for the decoder to reach the pcm low watermark
23.48.16 #       <t0mas> hm.. but it was fast before
23.48.17 #       <Bagder> I'm not that into the playback code to be able to tell
23.48.31 #       <t0mas> maybe it has something todo with the crossfade code
23.48.41 #       <t0mas> but I was unable to find the cause...
23.49.27 #       <amiconn> Boooog... :-/
23.49.57 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I hope your changes don't clash with my gfx api conversion
23.50.11 #       <LinusN> i doubt it
23.50.24 #       <amiconn> I had to touch many many source files
23.50.40 #       <LinusN> "cvs update"
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23.53.33 #       <t0mas> LinusN? playback.c line 1.010
23.53.44 #       <t0mas> /pcm_play_stop();
23.54.02 #       <t0mas> someone removed that stop...
23.54.38 #       <t0mas> commented out in v1.55
23.54.45 #       <t0mas> "Some re-desing to buffer filling and track loading code and a few bugfixes."
23.55.01 #       <Bagder> stopping it doesn't sound right to me
23.55.03 #       <hardeep> LinusN: do you mean the view/save etc. options when in the file browser?
23.55.10 #       <hardeep> LinusN: re: second thoughts
23.55.23 #       <LinusN> the "create" option
23.55.35 #       <hardeep> LinusN: 'cause I don't like those either... i use insert, etc. more then the others when browsing files
23.55.37 #       <Bagder> t0mas: this is Slasheri's territory
23.56.04 #       <LinusN> in my view, the context is "the file/dir marked by the cursor"
23.56.17 #       <Bagder> and now, sleeep
23.56.22 #       <hardeep> yeah, that makes more sense
23.56.25 #       <t0mas> hm... nice idea
23.56.26 #       <LinusN> but "create playlist" uses the current dir
23.56.27 #       <t0mas> but it's to hot to sleep
23.56.34 #       <amiconn> 100 KB diff, almost 50 files touched
23.56.35 #       <t0mas> Slasheri? are you around?
23.56.46 #       <hardeep> and view/save don't even refer to a file
23.56.54 #       <t0mas> that audio_stop() call doesn't break crossfading... so why is it gone? :)
23.57.01 #       <LinusN> hardeep: true
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23.57.42 #       <LinusN> hardeep: the only playlist option that should be in the browser context menu should be "insert"
23.57.58 #       <LinusN> and friends
23.58.06 #       <hardeep> LinusN: i agree
23.58.18 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: yes, that is required for cross fading. Some buffer flush could be implemented to make song change faster when crossfader is not available
23.58.53 #       <t0mas> Slasheri: what about checking if crossfading is on, and if it's off: audio_stop()
23.59.01 #       <Slasheri> That prevents also having gaps between tracks when selecting a new track to play