--- Log for 25.06.105 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 14 days and 22 hours ago 00.00.00 # i think some people might want to have gapless switching (at least i heard that on this channel) 00.00.06 # I guess 95% of the users would like to song to start when they hit the button... and don't care about a few ms. gap between manually switched tracks 00.00.17 # *the song 00.00.21 # indeed 00.00.43 # true.. maybe you could enable that function until audiobuffer flushing is implemented 00.00.50 # ok 00.00.55 # Slasheri: rockbox had "gapless" switching a long time ago, but we removed it because the ui feedback sucked because of it 00.00.55 # i cannot change the code right now until i finnish my dsp stuff 00.01.06 # LinusN: same problem now 00.01.23 # Slasheri: I can... what should I check to see if we're crossfading? 00.01.55 # (this seems not very usefull:) 00.01.56 # bool pcm_is_crossfade_enabled(void) 00.01.56 # { 00.01.56 DBUG Enqueued KICK t0mas 00.01.56 # return false; 00.01.56 # } 00.02.02 # LinusN: hmm, ok. however, i think with proper pcm buffer flushing the gapless switching could be made on iriver without any negative effects 00.02.45 # Hmm, it _should_ have return crossfade_enabled; 00.03.00 # if it doesn't, please commit that fix :) 00.03.27 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.03.27 # * t0mas cvs updates... maybe I'm missing something 00.03.47 # hm.. not changed 00.04.13 # erm... 00.04.14 # bool pcm_crossfade_init(void) 00.04.14 # { 00.04.14 *** Alert Mode level 1 00.04.14 # return false; 00.04.14 *** Alert Mode level 2 00.04.14 # } 00.04.27 # weird.. i checked even cvs diff and it seems to be ok 00.04.41 # I have 1.64 00.04.48 # same as in webcvs... 00.05.00 # eh, you have something wrong in your sources.. 00.05.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/playback.c?rev=1.64&view=log 00.05.10 # something wrong in CVS then... 00.05.11 # are you sure you checked pcm_playback.c? 00.05.18 # ARG 00.05.21 # ok, those are simulator stubs in playback.c :D 00.05.21 # * t0mas wakes up 00.05.23 # ofcourse 00.06.51 # * t0mas starts looking at the right file :X 00.10.03 # +800 byte on iriver... 00.10.08 Join preglow [0] (~81f18ab7@labb.contactor.se) 00.10.15 # hi ho 00.10.20 # hi 00.10.25 # lo 00.10.35 # oh... tnx amiconn, I remember a "Linus question" 00.10.44 # how big is the flash rom in the iriver? 00.10.45 # huh? 00.10.53 # and how big is the original firmware 00.11.13 # the flash is 2mbyte 00.11.18 # +800 byte on iriver... <-- remembered it because of that 00.11.25 # ah 00.11.58 # LinusN: and do you think it's possible to have both rockbox and iriver in flash? 00.12.42 # there is about 64kbyte left iirc 00.13.01 # so the answer is no 00.13.22 # hm... we need at least 200 kb right? 00.13.42 # yup 00.13.45 # The iriver firmware is running directly from rom? 00.13.51 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.14.11 # amiconn: no, but the iriver boot does 00.14.15 *** Alert Mode OFF 00.14.20 # it copies itself to ram 00.14.31 # but it's not as simple as on the archos 00.14.52 # Does that happen before the rockbox bootloader kicks in? 00.14.57 # no 00.15.43 Join Jleagle [0] (Owner@spr2-cosh3-5-0-cust23.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) 00.16.36 # Slasheri? any idea what's causing it then? :) 00.17.02 # t0mas: hmm, causing what? :) 00.17.10 # the delay 00.17.32 # ah, it's because pcm buffer has buffered data from previous track 00.17.59 # that should be flushed from right position after there are few chunks buffered from next track 00.18.06 # flushed=cut 00.18.09 # but it switched quicker before.. 00.18.27 # yes, because before it cleared the entire buffer 00.18.36 # * amiconn was lucky 00.18.37 # now it doesn't do that without pcm_play_stop 00.18.40 # No clash 00.18.42 # ok, maybe that is the desired behaviour atm? 00.19.22 # amiconn : congratulations :D 00.19.41 # and the initial delay before track starts playing is caused by disk spinup & codec load time and initial pcm buffering (4 chunks) 00.20.01 # yes, but that was a short period... 00.20.18 # from the filebrowser the disk is nomally spinning... so it was only loading a bit 00.20.43 # hmm, yes.. i can debug that later. maybe it could be made a little faster 00.23.30 Quit Jleagle ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 00.24.16 # hm... 00.24.25 # LinusN: why does it copy itself to ram? i thought you said executing code from flash is actually faster 00.24.50 # and if I change line 1010 in playback.c (not pcm_playback) from //pcm_play_stop() to "if (!pcm_is_crossfade_enabled()) pcm_play_stop();" 00.27.12 # t0mas: you can do that, it fixes the delay when crossfading is not enabled 00.27.21 # i can do a better fix later 00.27.27 # yes, you should 00.27.29 # now nights to all :) 00.27.35 # it's better to do some sort of buffer flush 00.27.40 # with crossfading in mind... 00.27.41 # yep 00.27.59 # I'll test this... and commit 00.28.05 # to keep people happy about the speed :) 00.28.17 # and you can change it back when there's a better solution 00.28.42 # preglow: ask iriver 00.29.09 # preglow: besides, the sdram is faster, since it can burst from sdram 00.29.59 # you can't burst from rom? :/ 00.30.16 # does that hold generally, or is it just a "feature" of that particuilar chip? 00.31.08 # few flash roms have burst modes that are faster than consecutive reads 00.31.47 # flash roms have static addressing, not row/column 00.32.03 # correct 00.32.03 Quit TCK- (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 00.32.07 # too long since i dabbled in this kind of thing 00.32.13 # Okay, buckle up... 00.33.22 # david bryant's done some analyzing of how iriver does resampling 00.33.27 # and they seem to do quite fancy stuff 00.33.37 # more than i would have expected 00.34.19 # let's hope I didn't break anything 00.34.36 # preglow: like what? 00.35.44 # for downsampling, they use a pretty high order (i guess) iir filtering, then linear interpolation decimation 00.35.57 # for upsampling they use a 64 tap ideal lowpasss fir filter 00.36.40 # all of this is very possible, i just expected them to do some cheap ass stuff like they do with their playback speed handling, heh 00.37.22 # the resampling seems to screw up the playtime calculations 00.37.34 # our resampling? 00.37.36 # so 48khz tracks end prematurely 00.37.38 # yes 00.37.42 # no surprise 00.37.51 # i didn't test it much at all, i just intended for it to be put somewhere else 00.37.56 # which is what slasheri is doing at the moment 00.38.05 # yeah 00.38.32 # some guy was so happy woth the resampling, because he ripped all his cd:s with 48khz :-) 00.38.43 # ahahahaha 00.38.49 # kudos to him 00.38.54 # i wonder how he manages it 00.39.06 # and he probably thought it gave him better quality :-) 00.39.30 # i know rippers that can resample 00.39.40 # god knows why though 00.40.17 # lmao. 00.40.25 # odd people 00.40.26 # gnight. 00.40.34 # amiconn: so one should always set DRAWMODE_SOLID as some kind of default? 00.40.38 # LinusN: A part of the code size increase comes from the fact that I already implemented lcd_hline() and lcd_vline(). What I did not yet do is to actually use them in places where they could be used 00.40.55 # They're optimised of course 00.41.08 # LinusN: Yes, DRMODE_SOLID is the default 00.41.26 # ok 00.41.32 # btw, i made speex compile under rockbox yesterday 00.41.47 # didn't do much, but enough to see it uses floating point functions, even in fixed point mode :/ 00.41.48 # Once I am done with that I'll update the wiki page to reflect current design 00.42.15 # preglow: flixed point ;) 00.42.48 # i think it's just for initialising sine tables and the like 00.42.51 # AND 00.42.55 # it does a hell of a lot of allocing 00.44.48 Join kenshin [0] (~dave@c-24-17-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.44.53 # amiconn: tLCDPixelFunc ??? 00.45.00 # yeps 00.45.07 # Slasheri: the gap is now just a few miliseconds 00.45.11 # but the wps is still lagging 00.45.20 Join TCK [0] (TCK@81-86-98-95.dsl.pipex.com) 00.45.24 # (probably because the next track wasn't buffered yet) 00.45.32 # i don't like typedefs very much, especially not when they're mixed case 00.45.35 # I know that typedefs shouldn't be over-used, but these function pointers would be veeery cumbersome without 00.46.12 # And that's also why I used mixed case - to indicate that it's something unusual 00.46.22 # I did so in the grayscale lib as well 00.46.27 # and hungarian notation is forever banned in my world 00.46.43 # Hmm, hungarian notation? 00.46.48 # hm? the sString nInt thing? 00.46.52 # the "t" prefix 00.46.55 # tType 00.46.59 # or t_type 00.47.25 # LinusN: How would you suggest to call it then? 00.47.40 # good night 00.47.41 # lcd_pixelfunc? 00.47.50 # time to enjoy some music and read a book... and sleep :) 00.48.24 # nite t0mas 00.48.43 # LinusN: That might be misleading, because there is also an array of those function pointers, and it will be exposed in the plugin api 00.49.03 # ...to allow plugin library functions like lcd_filltriangle() 00.49.13 # why is it confusing? 00.49.26 # One could think this is actually a function 00.49.33 # ...or something like that 00.49.44 # then he should read a book about c 00.49.56 # i can't imagine a context where i can mistake i typedef for a function 00.50.04 # a 00.50.15 # There are some typedefs concerning the file functions, they're called like xyz_type 00.50.26 # i can live with that 00.51.09 # lcd_pixelfunc_type? 00.51.30 # definitely beats tLolFunc, yes 00.51.31 # sounds good 00.51.50 # I'll change that, and fix the fm builds 00.51.53 # btw do you think a function pointer is faster than a switch? 00.52.19 # Yes, especially as they're called multiple times after being dereferenced 00.52.27 # of course 00.52.28 # i think they most definitely are 00.53.59 # but how often are they dereferenced directly? 00.54.25 # aren't you supposed to use the lcd_drawpixel() function? 00.54.55 # lcd_drawpixel() is the only function that dereferences it and then uses it only once 00.55.27 # i see 00.55.53 # There are pixel functions for single pixels; these are used for pixels and free lines only 00.56.26 # For all other primitives there are block functions which deal with whole pixel blocks equalling a framebuffer byte 00.56.49 # oki 00.57.19 Quit Aison ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.72 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.58.19 # ...and lcd_fillrect does a special optimisation using memset() when applicable 00.58.30 # amiconn: yellow! yellow! yellow! :-) 00.58.37 # I know... 00.58.43 # [00:51:51] I'll change that, and fix the fm builds 00.59.14 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@hmln-d9b8e196.pool.mediaWays.net) 01.00.57 # re girls 01.01.25 # k, k, something tells me the speex fixed point port isn't finished 01.06.54 # hai = (engl. shark) preglow ;) 01.08.22 # amiconn: nice graphics lib stuff... looking REALLY nice 01.08.33 Nick elinenbe|sleepin is now known as elinenbe|sleptto (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.08.47 Nick elinenbe|sleptto is now known as elinenbe_ (elinenbe_@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.09.24 # Thanks :) 01.10.30 # Next steps are (1) convert lcd_bitmap(), (2) apply all that stuff to the remote lcd driver, (3) Switch to 4-grey mode on iriver 01.11.02 # (4) adapt player graphics library, (5) rework greyscale lib 01.11.05 # yeah, gray rulez :D 01.11.21 # (6) add extra functions to the plugin lib 01.11.32 # it's very promising amiconn :) 01.11.38 # (7) add solid mode to cube.c, like ipodlinux 01.11.57 # (8) get a life :-) 01.12.09 # (9) celebrating amiconn 01.12.53 # all this needed lot of works good luck amiconn ;) 01.14.14 # amiconn: looks really good 01.14.17 # muesli-: i fail to see why you're educating me in my own language... 01.14.52 # so, you're german?? 01.14.53 # maybe he meant "hej" 01.14.59 # haha 01.15.19 # tak tak :D 01.15.23 # i didn't get what you meant 01.15.25 # no, i'm norwegian 01.15.28 # and it's "hei" 01.15.29 # LinusN: Something must be wrong with the build error detection scripts 01.15.29 # heh 01.15.43 # The FM builds were only yellow, yet they failed to link... 01.15.46 # amiconn: that's well-known 01.16.04 # so hai its in norwegian shark as well? 01.16.16 # muesli: yup 01.16.22 # kewl... 01.17.01 # i have the feeling german and all scandinavian languages are quit similar 01.17.04 # norwegian and german do have a ton of simiular words 01.17.05 # LinusN: There will be no more typedefs than these 2, but the definitions will be a little different for 4-grey mode 01.17.26 # i see 01.17.46 # norwegian also has a ton of german words we inherited from trade with germans, heh 01.18.09 # some uk's here? 01.18.20 # or any other english natives? 01.18.37 # i'm half english-native :> 01.18.47 # LinusN: Maybe I need to duplicate the defs for iriver, because the remote is b&w while the main lcd is not, once I get to that 01.18.55 # does "zukunftsangst" make sense to somebody? 01.19.25 # amiconn: probably 01.19.39 # muesli: well, i know what it means... 01.20.55 # thats one of three german words which were not possible to translate... 01.21.17 # amiconn: i expect you to get through that list by the end of the weekend :) 01.21.33 # elinenbe: Not really 01.21.35 # no, i kid... probably by the end of the week! 01.22.25 Join rasher [0] (~3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 01.22.43 # cheers rasher 01.22.50 # evening.. 01.23.24 # LinusN: Forgot to remove some now-unused #defines... 01.23.33 # So.. the matrix plugin (http://rasher.dk/rockbox/) behaves differently in the sim - correctly! 01.23.41 # which confuses me 01.24.44 # Anyone have any ideas what might be different? On the iriver the animation just scrolls a few lines, then goes blank (no lines appear), in the sim, it continues 01.25.21 # On Tuesday, the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals in Cincinnati turned the playing field for digital sampling completely upside-down. The court ruled quite simply that any and all samples used must paid for, even if they sound completely different from their original. Previously, if a digital sample wasn't identifiable from it's original it was perfectly legal. 01.26.00 # well, if it isn't identifiable, good luck proving any use 01.26.07 # rasher: what's different with the rockbox on yout site? 01.26.31 # rasher: the allegation alone can stop music from ever being released 01.26.42 # elinenbe: nothing really.. a couple of extra fonts, and the matrix plugin - plus it's outdated 01.26.45 # lawyers ain't cheap 01.26.49 # (by a few hours) 01.26.56 # (or half a day, more like) 01.27.05 # cincinatti? 01.27.23 # americans are already digging themselves deep 01.27.27 # i'll just let them continue 01.27.45 # ah 01.28.43 # oh, and I changed the icon of .rockbox files to an iriver-i! 01.29.04 # rasher: boooh! 01.29.22 # well having a 6x7 pixel archos jukebox didn't seem very appropriate either 01.29.47 # Then we need a rockbox icon... 01.30.00 # http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/icons-6x7/ has an Rb 01.30.03 # but it's not very readable 01.30.45 # Btw, I never thought that something should symbolise an archos 01.31.04 # Isn't that the idea? 01.31.09 # looks like one to me 01.31.48 # it's an X for eXecutable, iirc 01.32.18 # Might be an archos, but then it is a player or rec v1 01.32.28 # That's what I thought 01.32.32 # That's not suited for the other archoses either 01.32.38 # funny, i've never really looked that closely 01.33.36 # anyway, the filename was .iriver, soooo 01.35.28 # Ugh, speed mode in cube.rock looks really funny on iriver 01.36.18 # it almost looks like a solid shape 01.36.24 # or at least a wireframe shape 01.36.53 # In speed mode you can't recognise much... 01.37.04 # Start cube, press select 01.37.20 # if you have it rotated the right way, and only rotating along one axis 01.37.27 # it looks like a wireframe shape 01.37.27 Join darthmall [0] (~dan@c-67-173-38-160.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.38.03 # elinenbe should know about the icon: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/recorder/icons.c?r1=1.19&r2=1.20 01.38.22 # well, except that it was 2,5 years ago 01.39.37 # will go 2 bed..g'night matey 01.39.41 # mates 01.42.06 # think i'll join you in that 01.42.12 # my head feels like it's bloody exploding 01.42.16 # later all 01.42.26 Part preglow 01.42.44 # Whatever happened to the rockblox patch? 01.43.32 # i worked on it, but got other things to do, and forgot about it 01.44.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.45.25 # haha, the patch changes the entire file 01.48.08 Join Tomhab [0] (~tom@195-149-28-141.gotadsl.co.uk) 01.48.13 Part Tomhab 01.48.27 # LinusN: Btw, my new routines have full clipping support 01.48.33 # nice 01.49.21 Quit Moos ("Bye ALL") 01.53.09 Quit muesli- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 01.55.21 # time to sleep 01.55.23 # nite all 01.55.35 Part LinusN 01.55.58 Quit Cassandra ("If I were actually witty, this quitline would be funny.") 01.56.20 Quit darthmall () 02.01.35 # filltriangle! 02.03.37 # rasher: Yes, I have planned that for the plugin lib 02.03.48 # I already have a working implementation 02.03.57 # (For testing only) 02.05.38 # fun, this mouse claims that its wheel and middle-button won't work outside of Windows 02.05.45 # yet it works just dandy under Linux 02.06.15 # Perhaps it's an indoor-only mouse? ;-) 02.06.23 # Bog-standard HID mouse.. 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Have your BitchX spayed or neutered.") 08.31.11 Quit DMJC-L ("Leaving") 08.45.25 Join kenshin [0] (~dave@c-24-17-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 08.47.12 Quit t0mas (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.53.33 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@ipa34.1.tellas.gr) 09.01.56 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 09.27.30 # anyone here good with UNIX command line stuff? I'm looking for a way to capture internet radio feeds on a schedule 09.27.58 # Some of my favorite shows come on when I'm at work or asleep, and all the stations I listen to have web feeds 09.28.31 # I'd like to cron the downloads. I can start them, but I can't end them on a schedule 09.30.04 # Just gracefully kill the parent process you have started 09.30.30 # how can I do that within a cron? 09.30.58 # you have to schedule different entries for "start task" and "stop task" 09.30.58 # by hand, I'd just ^C or pkill processname 09.31.08 # Or maybe you could use at for that 09.31.28 # the problem is passing the correct pid 09.31.47 # ah, hmm 09.32.06 # you have many processes with the same program name? 09.32.25 # if two shows overlapped, yes 09.33.24 # yes, that might require some scripting.. take a look at man at if that command could end the processes (i am not sure) 09.33.42 # at would be clumsy 09.35.28 # in fact i have an example C program that i wrote a long time ago. It kills a processes after selected timeout 09.38.14 # morning 09.39.05 # can't you set each job up in order? 09.39.16 # that way you know what belongs to what? 09.40.10 # Plugh_: http://ihme.org/~miipekk/timeoutkill.c, it's just an "example code" so it's full of crap you might want to remove :) But it should work 09.40.27 # Slasheri: Did you have a look at hardeep's commit? It seems you will need to add something to playback.c to make it work on iriver 09.40.50 # amiconn: Hmm, checking 09.41.31 # Hmm, the latest commit? 09.41.52 # The 04:46 GMT 09.41.56 # ah 09.42.47 # it doesn't work on iriver? 09.43.01 # Does it call audio_flush_and_reload_tracks? 09.43.16 # He did something in mpeg.c, but mpeg.c is archos only 09.43.30 Quit kenshin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.44.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.45.49 # Hmm.. We should find the problem, i can't say yet what might be wrong 09.46.35 Join DangerousDan [0] (~Miranda@194.22.60.59) 10.03.44 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 10.05.42 Join t0mas [0] (~Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 10.10.01 # Hmm, does somebody have any 22 kHz mp3/ogg file? 10.10.41 # yes 10.10.45 # I have one 10.10.50 # great, could you send one? :) 10.10.55 # yes 10.10.58 # good :) 10.12.00 # thanks 10.12.10 # hm 10.12.18 # might take some time... bittorrent is uploading too :) 10.12.31 # hehe, no problem. almost here :) 10.13.29 # done :) 10.14.06 # (fyi, it's a dutch cabaret song :)) 10.14.09 # i have almost the dsp stuff working, now testing resampling 10.14.13 # :D 10.14.35 # have you cvs updated lately? 10.14.46 # nope.. i might update today 10.14.47 # preglow made some upsampling work... 10.14.53 # so it already plays this 10.14.58 # yes, i am moving that to dsp 10.15.14 # mp3 files has no a better performance too 10.15.21 # *now 10.15.43 # ok 10.16.34 # Slasheri: Did you disable libmad dithering? 10.16.51 # i have moved it to dsp, it's configurable 10.17.07 # ci->configure(DSP_DITHER, (bool *)true); 10.17.28 # Okay, nice 10.17.32 # :) 10.17.36 # Gtg, cu 10.17.44 # bye 10.17.52 Part amiconn 10.25.56 Join Aison [0] (~hans@zux166-181.adsl.green.ch) 10.35.43 Join jwalk [0] (~jwalk_edm@67.71.173.234) 10.37.08 Quit jwalk (Client Quit) 10.56.45 Join kenshin [0] (~dave@c-24-17-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 11.22.21 # oh. bittorrent. 11.22.28 # hrm. 11.22.35 # 12 hours remaining :/ 11.23.08 Join preglow [0] (~81f18ab7@labb.contactor.se) 11.23.17 # *sniffle* 11.24.47 # m? 11.24.47 # Slasheri: i think dithering should be a setting as well, so one can determine if the codecs that are asking for it should get it 11.24.57 # i for one can't hear much of a difference 11.25.10 # my cold has escalated over the night 11.25.13 # my life is pure joy 11.25.30 # ewwww. I hate that 11.25.59 # * HCl prods insomnia 11.26.07 # with good reason 11.26.36 # I'll be fine at work then wake up next day and it'll have taken hold 11.27.03 # haha 11.27.23 # doesn't help that I have at least a couple of hundred people breathing on me over the course of the night 11.27.31 # i'd guess not 11.27.40 # I work in nightclubs 11.27.44 # you can imagine.... 11.27.51 # hahah, that's destined to help lots, yes 11.28.46 # because I know how flithy people are, I no longer touch anything in a public bathroom with my bare hands. Always get paper towel 11.28.51 # preglow: Hmm, good idea 11.29.08 # preglow: btw, can i use your resampler to 16 bit samples? 11.30.45 # here's a question for you actually; in public toilets, who's messier? Men or women? 11.31.08 # men 11.31.13 # nope 11.31.18 # drunken man for sure :P 11.31.29 # slasheri: dithering should be the last to happen 11.31.32 # men do more disgusting things but women are messier overall 11.32.05 # I swear women get toilet paper and have streamer parties 11.32.35 # slasheri: we will very probably use more advanced resampling in the future, and if we do that directly on 16 bit data, we'll lose a lot of precision 11.33.06 # preglow: hmm, ok. So 16 bit data should be scaled to 24/32 bits first? 11.34.14 # yeah, it really should, i guess 11.34.19 # good :) 11.34.21 # we might want to decide on some internal format 11.34.26 # like perhaps 24 bits 11.34.51 # actually, the most foul thing anybody's done at work would be getting REALLY drunk, going to the toilet, not makin git and taking a dump in your underpants with them halfway down then vomitting into them and leaving them on teh floor. Had a male AND a female do that one so maybe "most disgusting" is equal 11.34.53 # anyway 11.35.26 # ahahah 11.35.54 # my god, you have won then 11.36.06 # if you achieve that, you're humankinds finest 11.36.15 # haha. definitely 11.36.43 # last niht we had a 130kg fat guy refuse to walk so we had to drag him down the rap and out onto the footpath 11.36.51 # local bike gang member 11.37.18 # rap=ramp 11.37.29 # Coldtoast: why not just call the police? 11.37.32 # and let them drag him out? 11.37.48 # nah. not major enough 11.38.07 # * t0mas can imagine how hard your job sucks sometimes... 11.38.09 # th eonly time we call the police is with big fights 11.38.33 # yeah. absolutely. 95% of the time it's sweet 11.38.44 # the 5% tho... that's where we earn our money 11.38.49 # you're a bar guy? or security? 11.38.52 Quit kenshin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.38.54 # security 11.39.00 # ah... that's less sweet 11.39.06 # dancing girls on the bar is ok ;) 11.39.18 # yeah. we're the least respected, most disliked 11.39.29 # * t0mas was in "the best club in the Netherlands" last week... 11.39.57 # they inveted something new for the heat... 11.39.59 # haha.. showers 11.40.05 # haha! 11.40.24 # changed the whole place... beach party 11.40.39 # this is REALLY bad to say, i know 11.40.50 # but guess who the smelliest people we get are 11.41.07 # nothing to do with being racist. it's an observation 11.41.18 # and added some showers and bay watch people to it 11.41.19 # Africans 11.41.36 # hm... 11.41.53 # ok... I don't know how it's in your club... but here they just refuse to let any black guy in... 11.42.07 # and nobody does anything about it... 11.42.09 # it's weird. Africans are among the best dressed people who come in but they're also the smelliest 11.42.44 # man. we'd REALLY be in the shit with the law if we did that t0mas 11.42.45 # jej 11.42.48 # :) 11.43.06 # yes, it's officially forbidden here 11.43.10 # but hey... they just do it 11.43.16 # heh. ok 11.43.35 # we never EVER have African women in. ever 11.43.37 # it's always males 11.44.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.44.18 # hm... well... you need a member card in the club here 11.44.40 # so they just don't give them to black people... I guess that's the trick 11.48.10 # ok 11.48.32 # will there be a VBRFix plug for iriver? 11.49.25 # finding a few tracks on my h140 that need fixing , which I can do fine here, but if I'm out somewhere it'd be nice to be able to do it with the h140 11.56.55 Join webguest88 [0] (~d4406110@labb.contactor.se) 11.58.09 # argh, now i am rewriting the dsp.. this is really hard :) 12.05.41 Join RedBreva [0] (~redbreva@host81-153-56-176.range81-153.btcentralplus.com) 12.06.07 # haha 12.06.10 # I can imagine :) 12.06.10 # what went wrong? 12.07.15 # the design was totally flawed ;) now i try to make it better scalable and different kind of optimizations to make code cleaner 12.09.42 # i found out that it's best to write the main dsp process function first and after that the other stuff ;) 12.11.00 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.13.10 # btw 12.13.23 # what stereo format do the codecs have to deliver? interleaved or noninterlaved? 12.13.25 # or both? :) 12.13.32 # both :) 12.13.36 # 00t! 12.13.47 # or they can choose which one to deliver 12.14.08 # yes 12.14.15 # noninterleaved is better for processing speed 12.15.25 # we'll probably have to hack tremor to make it deliver data in its internal format 12.15.39 # i sorely wish i had time to work on this 12.30.53 # I thought that Linus had moved the 'playlist options' to first in the menu ? 12.35.39 # ah the 'view current playlist' is added to a loong wps play push, nice 12.39.03 # i really need to get to coding 12.39.35 # * webguest88 gives HCl a push 12.49.14 Join Moos [0] (moos012@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.49.35 # Hello all 12.54.19 # hi 12.56.10 Quit RedBreva () 12.56.20 Join wacky_ [0] (~wacky@modemcable011.4-37-24.mc.videotron.ca) 12.56.36 # even with bleeding edge, I have a disc that doesn't play with Rockbox, a bunuch of .ogg files 12.56.50 # http://ip.bourget.cc:8080/dump/14.ogg and 15.ogg and 16.ogg at the same place 12.57.31 # they start playing, and then hang there and come back to the file tree 12.57.48 # but they send out no sound 12.58.14 Join edx__ [0] (edx@p54A8C8AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.01.25 # strange 13.03.29 Quit edx (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 13.03.39 # not very good quality .oggs tho. heh 13.03.54 # there's ticking and stuff thru the one I just listened to 13.04.06 # is it from vynil? 13.05.21 Join Nuxator [0] (~chatzilla@abo-117-249-68.guy.modulonet.fr) 13.05.33 # hi 13.05.52 # that's the obvious answer 13.06.00 # just a question about the upsampling in mp3: 13.06.03 # woha 13.06.06 # wrong window again 13.06.31 # it plays the file fine but time elapsed is wrong so the track is cut before its end 13.06.35 # yes, we know 13.07.01 # but it sounds ok 13.07.23 # ok thanks for the answer preglow 13.07.28 # looking at he detaiils for one of the .oggs wacky_ and looks like they were encoded with a REALLY old version of libVorbis 13.07.53 # Nuxator: resampling and stuff is bein reimplemented as we speak 13.08.05 # wow great work 13.08.11 Join kenshin [0] (~dave@c-24-17-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 13.08.44 # how old version? 13.10.44 # ohh, nice soundtrack 13.13.52 # heve to go cu 13.14.01 Quit Nuxator ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 13.15.25 Nick edx__ is now known as edx (edx@p54A8C8AF.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.16.47 # tremor should handle even older files 13.16.48 # anyway 13.18.02 # preglow: Hmm, can i assume that MAD_F_FRACBITS is the output sample depth from libmad? 13.21.10 # myeah 13.21.12 # i think you can 13.21.15 # good :) 13.21.35 # if it's greater than /-1 in their own fixed point format, it should be clipped 13.22.53 # og great, plus/minus 13.30.35 Join ep0ch [0] (~ep0ch@84.12.61.221) 13.30.46 # hi 13.31.29 # hello 13.31.53 # i have an obeservation, not sure if it's known or not... 13.32.11 # mono mp3 playback = good, mono Vorbis playback = 2x playback :) 13.32.16 # speed 13.32.47 # hmm, i didn't know that 13.33.00 # i'll let slasheri fix it, so i don't conflict his codecs 13.33.15 # yes, that will be fixed by dsp 13.33.21 # thought so 13.33.43 # will the dsp be responsible for replaygain as well? 13.33.48 # hyes 13.33.52 # can't wait :) 13.34.02 # don't expect replaygain to be implemented yet, btw 13.34.09 # but that's where it'll be done 13.34.14 # ep0ch: yes, that's dsp's job :) it can be implemented later 13.35.20 # * t0mas yawns... "Emerging package 8 of 126" 13.44.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.48.10 Join Chamois [0] (~Chamois@champigny-5-82-226-182-23.fbx.proxad.net) 13.48.25 # (ccache + distcc*3) = powah. 13.55.55 Join bipak_ [0] (~bip@p508877DD.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.06.52 Join yyz [0] (~yyz@modem-3958.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk) 14.06.52 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.07.30 Join Bger [0] (~Bager@83.222.160.88) 14.09.42 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.30 Quit bipak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.25.19 Quit yyz (Remote closed the connection) 14.55.16 Join Jleagle [0] (Owner@spr2-cosh3-5-0-cust23.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) 14.57.24 Join shank [0] (~shank@pool-68-162-136-82.pitt.east.verizon.net) 15.00.01 Quit Jleagle (Client Quit) 15.00.15 # can anyone tell me the status of the h120 port? 15.00.23 # or point me to some docs about it? 15.12.42 Quit kenshin (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort 15.15.32 # preglow, thanks 15.18.59 # Thank you for re-arranging the menu's and making the navigating more user friendly 15.19.07 Join |ep0ch [0] (~ep0ch@84.12.61.221) 15.22.19 Part webguest88 15.32.15 # yaaaaay 15.32.22 # * HCl finally got the military harrier jet fighter :) 15.39.11 Quit ep0ch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.39.11 Nick |ep0ch is now known as ep0ch (~ep0ch@84.12.61.221) 15.40.39 # Hmm, < 60% boost ratio with 128 kbit/s mp3 file with the new dsp system without resampling 15.41.48 Join Teslacuted [0] (Teslacuted@159-134-55-253.as1.cty.limerick.eircom.net) 15.42.37 # is the current version of rockbox more usable than version from about three days ago? :) 15.43.10 # i doubt that, dsp stuff is still not committed :) 15.43.28 # but it might be, improved menu system at least 15.43.43 # well, mainly, are there any new problems? :) 15.44.16 # i don't know any new issues ;) 15.44.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.44.48 # heh, i'll just try it then 15.45.00 # Slasheri:the new dsp stuff coming soon? 15.45.01 # welll, it didn't compile 15.45.17 # Moos: yes, maybe tomorrow 15.45.24 # now it works much better 15.45.32 # w00t very cool 15.47.18 # nothing, compiled after a fresh checkout 15.52.26 Join Yokalosh [0] (~Yokalosh@cpc1-cbly2-4-0-cust103.glfd.cable.ntl.com) 15.52.52 # to me Rockbox is not far from what I want now. All I am really interested in are the remote LCD, accurate FF/RW in MP3 and FF/RW in Ogg and eventually some form of gapless hack for MP3's that were not ripped with Lame to be gapless 15.52.56 # Does anyone know what to do about an I/O error when trying to view files on a jbr10 on a pc? 15.53.24 # oh and recording of course with meters 15.55.20 # anyone? 15.57.03 # . 15.57.05 # .... 15.57.41 # yes 15.57.42 # no 15.57.45 # ??? 16.05.41 # ... 16.05.44 # geez 16.05.56 Join kenshin [0] (~dave@c-24-17-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 16.07.34 # is it that nobody knows anything about this problem or you can't be bothered? 16.07.46 # what problem? 16.08.41 # is there any way to see the WPS in the simulator? 16.08.57 # when i try to browse the files on my jukebox via my pc i get a hardware I/O error 16.09.06 # bad harddisk. 16.09.11 # ? 16.09.14 # try scandisk 16.09.30 # i'll give it a go if it lets me 16.09.32 # everytime i use "play" to see it, the sim crashes somewhere after yield_codec in audio_load_track. 16.10.12 # and i'm so lost in where the threads are at when it dies. 16.11.22 # slasheri: so, how does it work currently? codecs send it audio, it then optionally resamples and dithers, then sends to pcm buffering? 16.11.39 # slasheri: you are aware the dithering needs to be aware of the resolution of the data it gets, btw? 16.16.50 # hey HCI as soon as i try to right click on my jukebox in my computer it just crashes explorer.exe 16.17.27 # try linux? 16.17.46 # i don't have a computer with linux on it 16.17.48 # i dunno, i don't have an archos 16.18.04 # o 16.19.11 # all i get is 'G:\ is not accessible. The request could not be performed because of an I/O device error.' 16.20.32 # sounds nice 16.20.56 # :( got any idead preglow? 16.21.05 # no 16.21.18 # can't say anything based on just that information 16.21.33 # that is all it gives me :( 16.21.50 # does the unit work fine? 16.22.06 # yes by itself 16.22.25 # just not once plugged into any of the computers in my house, all of which it worked fine with up untill a few weeks ago 16.22.25 # Yokalosh: can you run scandisk on it in a console? 16.22.41 # erm i can try 16.22.52 # again 16.23.10 # disclaimer: i run linux so i can't tell you how to do it in Windows 16.23.27 # how is it connected USB? 16.23.42 # yes 16.23.51 # tried another USB port? 16.23.56 # yes 16.24.03 # i have tried it on about 5 different pcs 16.24.41 # i could try linux i guess, i have the rest of the weekend before school and a couple of 4 gig hard drives lying about 16.25.12 # or you could try a version of linux that runs off CD... 16.25.21 # ahhh yes 16.25.23 # like? 16.25.27 # i know nothing about linux yet 16.25.31 # dunno, i use FreeBSD 16.25.44 # knoppix is probably the most well known one 16.27.06 # okay, so what am i doing? 16.27.40 # download knoppix, burn it and boot it 16.27.42 # download knoppix, burn it, boot it 16.27.49 # spookie! 16.28.00 # jinx! 16.28.04 # okay lol 16.28.42 # and learn how to mount stuff in linux 16.29.41 # Yokalosh: when you plug in the USB cable, look at /var/log/messages to see what device name linux wants to use 16.29.59 # okay 16.31.09 # i need to find a cd to burn it onto now.... 16.31.18 Quit Teslacuted (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.31.53 # preglow: Hmm, yes. First codec configures and enables dsp. Then codec calls audiobuffer_insert and if dsp is enabled, dsp catches that call. Then stereo mode is converted to noninterleaved if it's not already, sample will be scaled up if necessary (not working yet). After that dsp chain is applied (resampling, bias, dithering, scaling) and data copied to pcm buffer. 16.32.50 # " Hmm, < 60% boost ratio with 128 kbit/s mp3 file with the new dsp system without resampling" 16.32.53 # that good? 16.33.14 # ep0ch: i think it's little better than currently 16.33.58 # wierd, because vorbis is about 20% at a similar bitrate 16.34.31 # oh i have a question regarding cpu boost... 16.35.20 # what's more effecient (power wise), have a lower speed CPU boost for a longer time, or higher speed for a shorter time? 16.36.12 # we need to optimise libmad further :/ 16.37.38 # ugh. 16.38.38 # 1L << (MAD_F_FRACBITS 1 - SAMPLE_DEPTH - 1) 16.38.46 # can anyone explain the plus 1 and the minus 1 ? 16.39.17 # seems kind of very pointless 16.40.17 Quit shank (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.40.43 # preglow: yes, i think there is no need for that (i have removed the 1 - 1 from code) 16.41.32 # i also wonder why the bias is there 16.41.36 # some kind of rounding? 16.42.52 # i really don't exactly know what it does :) i think it's needed to convert the mad's fixed point format to some other form: 16.42.56 # | * Fixed-point format: 0xABBBBBBB 16.42.58 # | * A == whole part (sign + 3 bits) 16.43.01 # | * B == fractional part (28 bits) 16.43.21 # i think it does highpass triangular dithering with second order noise shaping 16.43.36 # but i'm just wondering about the bis 16.43.37 # bias 16.43.44 # i think it rounds the lowest bit 16.43.45 # ah, interesting. so in fact it's dithering and not bias at all? 16.44.17 # the entire thing does dithering and quantisation, yes 16.44.27 # i just don't get the bias line 16.45.00 # but i think it's just for rounding the lowest bit for even more accuracy 16.45.05 Join yngwi [0] (~chatzilla@chello080109107064.1.15.vie.surfer.at) 16.45.32 # hmm, ok. then i should disable that "bias" also when disabling dithering 16.45.54 # well, depends, the rounding is probably separate from the dither 16.46.11 # hmm, no, it's not highpass triangular in its current form, it's rectangular dithering 16.46.27 # the dither->random assignment is commented out 16.47.23 # maybe i will leave the dithering in dsp as it's now and let somebody fix it :) 16.48.16 # hahah 16.48.21 # as it currently is, it doesn't dither at all 16.48.24 # it just adds a constant bias 16.48.25 # hahaha 16.48.26 # excellent 16.48.36 # i wonder why the hell that line has been commented out 16.48.39 # slasheri: yeah, do that 16.48.40 # * HCl bites his game. 16.48.49 # hcl: you're supposed to be biting code 16.49.00 # not till i finished this part of my game 16.49.45 # :D 16.52.56 Quit xen` () 16.53.41 # i don't get the bias line 16.54.06 Quit Yokalosh () 16.56.47 # hmm 16.56.54 # i suspect it might be to remove dc offset 16.56.59 # in which case, slasheri, it should be left out, yes 16.57.03 # if not dithering 16.57.17 # i don't think there's anything in that routine that should be running if dithering isn't enabled 16.57.20 # preglow: ok, i can try without it :) 16.57.23 # i 16.57.33 # i've been running without with no ill effects, at least 16.57.39 # ah, good 17.00.46 # clipping, though, you might want to add, now that i think about it 17.01.05 # just try 17.01.09 # you'll see ;) 17.03.37 Join webguest24 [0] (~80dc24ab@labb.contactor.se) 17.04.34 # clipping is already implemented :) 17.04.51 # good 17.05.04 # most transforms codecs can't guarantee in any way that the outputs stay within the bounds 17.05.20 # if you look at most mp3 and vorbis files, you'll see that clipping isn't rare at all 17.06.14 # | ci->configure(DSP_SET_CLIP_MIN, (int *)-MAD_F_ONE); 17.06.15 # | ci->configure(DSP_SET_CLIP_MAX, (int *)(MAD_F_ONE - 1)); 17.06.24 # it's configured that way by codecs 17.06.53 # oh, lovely 17.07.01 # that's grand 17.07.03 # other options are: 17.07.04 # | ci->configure(DSP_SET_FRACBITS, (int *)(MAD_F_FRACBITS)); 17.07.04 # | ci->configure(DSP_DITHER, (bool *)true); 17.07.04 DBUG Enqueued KICK Slasheri 17.07.04 # | ci->configure(DSP_SET_STEREO_MODE, (int *)STEREO_NONINTERLEAVED); 17.07.20 # and it wont clip if those aren't set, i assume? 17.07.27 # ah, and DSP_SET_FREQUENCY of course 17.07.36 # it wont 17.09.35 # Slasheri: what's the new DAP code that is about to be committed? 17.10.16 # elinenbe_: it enables some common dsp functions for all codecs such as resampling 17.10.46 # DAP 17.10.48 # ? 17.11.00 # i think he meant DSP =) 17.11.03 # you mean DSP ? ;) 17.11.23 # yeah -- sorry. 17.11.32 # i was just reading dapreview.net! 17.11.37 # :D 17.11.51 # preglow: does that mean your resampling code is no longer necessary> 17.12.14 # no it's used, that code is only moved elsewhere 17.12.34 # so that all codecs can use it 17.12.50 # ah... 17.12.52 # nice. 17.13.05 # so then resampling will work with everything... 17.13.18 # yes 17.13.33 # the only reason i put it in mpa.c, was for someone else to move it elsewhere 17.14.25 # and there's no resampling if the if the input is 44.1Khz this time? 17.14.42 # so are you doing a set of dsp functions? what about replaygain support? 17.14.51 # ep0ch: no 17.15.21 # replaygain can be implemented later. It should be quite trivial after that 17.16.55 # oh yes 17.17.01 # a single instruction extra in the dsp path 17.19.23 # wait, this dsp.... will it have nifty effects like reverb and chorus? 17.20.24 # perhaps in the future 17.20.33 # i'd like to implement something like that 17.20.35 # the first implementation of dsp will not have any effects but it's possible to add them in future 17.20.54 # but don't expect too much, we're going to be banging against the mhz wall pretty often 17.22.43 # wow, that would be really cool 17.24.46 # really? :P 17.24.54 # how often do you apply chorus to the music you listen to? 17.24.55 # heh 17.25.07 # i really like delay effects, but i still don't use them when i'm listening to music 17.26.20 # reverb would definitely be the coolest thing... hehe... really make those ipod users jealous 17.29.05 # but yeah 17.29.13 # i will implement stuff like that if there's enough cpu left 17.29.20 # i will probably implement them anyway, for real time use 17.29.33 # so the h120 can be used as en effect box 17.35.05 # preglow: you ever use foobar2000? 17.35.11 # yes, all the time 17.35.14 # when i'm in windows 17.35.19 # it's my preferred player 17.35.28 # have you seen the noise sharpening dsp? 17.35.41 # noise _sharpening_? 17.35.46 # why would you want to sharpen noise? 17.35.58 # it's actually quite good 17.36.16 # are you sure you don't mean noise shaping? 17.36.21 # DSPs usually shape noise, not sharpen it :) 17.36.44 # it adds the differential of the wave 17.36.48 # if you mean noise shaping, then i don't see how you can shape noise outside of the quantisation process 17.36.52 # sharpening 17.36.55 # i'll find the thread... 17.36.57 # do so 17.37.31 # http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=31899&hl=sharpening 17.37.34 # oops 17.37.39 # http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=31899 17.38.22 # ell 17.38.25 # that's dirt simple 17.38.39 # differential = simple subtraction, integration = 1 pole iir 17.38.44 # :) 17.38.53 # and a multiple 17.38.58 # multiply 17.39.21 # but this does pretty much what an eq does, really, just much more extreme 17.39.37 # but i gotta go make dinner 17.39.45 # worth bearing in mind :) 17.44.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.52.39 Join Sucka [0] (~dave@host217-42-252-124.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 17.54.56 Join Road_Runner [0] (~5540622d@labb.contactor.se) 17.56.17 # Question: I have a thought about how to implement right-to left laguage... where do I post it in order of people to read and review it? 18.00.12 # and yet another question... this irc channel is said to be nice and friendly... is it? 18.02.25 # yes 18.05.46 # thank you. 18.11.35 # you could post it on the mailing list, i guess 18.11.54 # but wasn't someone already working on right to left languages? 18.12.47 Join hardeep [0] (hardeeps@norge.freeshell.org) 18.17.09 # Slasheri: was just scanning the logs, you don't have to do anything for the change I submitted, it works correctly on the iRiver 18.17.28 # hardeep: ah, good :) i haven't tested it yet 18.20.40 Join Jleagle [0] (Owner@spr2-cosh3-5-0-cust23.cosh.broadband.ntl.com) 18.21.58 Quit webguest24 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.26.17 Quit Jleagle ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 18.31.20 Join Bgr [0] (~Bager@83.222.160.88) 18.31.20 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.32.24 Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client") 18.47.52 Quit preglow ("CGI:IRC") 19.01.41 Quit Road_Runner ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.12.15 Quit elinenbe_ (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 19.14.12 Quit ep0ch (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 19.18.24 Quit Sucka ("Leaving") 19.21.18 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 19.22.11 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host217-42-252-124.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 19.26.05 # hm... 19.26.28 # ok... why the hell is this in the bash history of a root account: cat /boot/kernel-2.6.11 > /dev/dsp 19.26.37 # :| 19.28.27 Join Bruno [0] (~chatzilla@abo-117-249-68.guy.modulonet.fr) 19.28.48 # "cat /boot/kernel-2.6.11 > /dev/dsp" Sound of kernel??? Should'nt be nice to listen 19.30.45 # should be on bash.org 19.32.02 Quit Bruno (Client Quit) 19.37.44 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@Bc15e.b.pppool.de) 19.37.56 # re 19.38.32 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.38.32 # * t0mas emails everybody with the rootpassword :) 19.38.52 # it must be one of the 4 admins... and it's not me... 19.39.07 # so one of the 3 others was listening to the kernel sound... haha... 19.43.06 # the other 2 are watching soccer :D 19.43.12 # heh 19.44.03 # 9 hours remaining... 19.44.22 # i wonder how it manages that, since this morning at 11 am it was 12 hours remaining 19.44.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.49.56 Join darthmall [0] (~dan@c-67-173-38-160.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 19.52.02 # what? 9 hours? 19.52.03 # weird 19.52.14 # for my download, yea.. 19.52.22 # oooh 19.52.25 # at least the progress changed from 50% to 69% 19.52.28 # I tought rockbox battery life. 19.52.32 # nah 19.52.44 # that's a pretty good estimate... 19.52.51 # it was at 3:45 this morning 19.52.59 # and 3:53 later it stopped 19.53.06 # hcl, could you please offer a new graypatched rbx on your website? 19.54.35 # we really should make a cygwin/windows wizzard 19.54.43 # so everybody can compile rockbox :) 19.54.56 # muesli-: mmm, in a while.. 19.55.18 # :D 19.55.35 # krauts were just fried by brazil 19.57.24 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 19.57.29 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 20.02.04 # muesli-: and the young dutch guys lost after 12 penaltys... 20.02.17 # stupid nigerians... 20.02.27 # *shakehands* 20.02.35 # we are loser today :D 20.02.59 # ghehe 20.03.11 # what was the end for krauts? 20.03.22 # penaltys too? or normal losing? :) 20.04.18 # viva Braziul :D 20.04.20 # yay brazil! 20.04.42 # normal losing by 2:3 20.04.47 # curently the best team in the world 20.04.58 # yepp 20.05.14 # deutsch team is good too 20.05.33 # but not enough ;-) 20.05.38 # i wish we got more futbol here in the US 20.05.57 # futbol *g* 20.06.01 # nice spelling 20.06.15 # would you rather i said "soccer"? 20.06.20 # in US not is a girl sport? 20.06.40 # soccer sounds not that better..i expected football 20.06.55 # that would be the direct translation 20.07.12 # it's soccer 20.07.15 # football is something else 20.07.18 # i use futbol to distinguish it from american football 20.07.31 # yes, football is american football... 20.07.38 # the game we play here is called soccer in english 20.07.43 # don't know how they got that name 20.08.05 Nick Sucka is now known as Sucka`away (~NNSCRIPT@host217-42-252-124.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 20.08.06 # futbal is not the portuges prononciation? 20.08.14 # dunno 20.08.30 # no hablar portuges 20.08.37 # me too 20.08.47 # but in Brazil yes ;) 20.09.35 # dunno but at least the other americans around me (all 280 million of them) know i'm not talking about american football 20.10.11 # cause "soccer" is like "miles" or "inches". only the two or three holdouts use them... :/ 20.10.27 # ghehe 20.10.30 # :-) 20.10.42 # that's possible... as we learn US english in schools here... not american 20.10.50 # you are rare ;) 20.11.10 # hm? 20.11.23 # @kenshin 20.11.27 # erm 20.11.34 # US english -> GB English 20.11.43 # nope 20.11.58 # that's possible... as we learn US english in schools here... not american <-- there 20.12.07 # US English == american... 20.12.10 # I ment GB English 20.12.46 # i think i'm just more in touch with the rest of the world 20.12.51 # in all schools in the world, it's the GB classical english 20.12.56 # yes 20.13.12 # i don't mind metric. not at all. 20.13.23 # * t0mas neither... 20.13.53 # quarter pounder with cheese :D 20.13.59 # kenshin: San Antonio Spurs US bascketbal champion :) 20.14.14 # royale with cheese? 20.14.32 # yes, 4 sure :d 20.14.44 # Moos: don't remind me. my Sonics lost because they beat up our players to knock them out. 20.14.52 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 20.15.09 # kenshin: your bug is fixed :) 20.15.23 # (just recognized the name... haha) 20.15.40 # t0mas: i noticed. already been using it. :) 20.15.44 # :) 20.16.30 # first noticed the cvs commit notice so had to try. 20.16.41 # is anyone working on a Japanese translation, yet? 20.16.51 # do you speak japanese? 20.16.52 # Romaji or UTF-8? 20.16.57 # (and we don't have unicode) 20.17.26 # not well but enough to get me by a translation 20.17.31 # Amnicon was working on some gfx..didnt see any..where are they? 20.18.28 # i'll be going through a full year of Japanese starting in the fall 20.19.25 # very good you're lucky 20.19.44 # which will include both Romaji and Kanji so if there's ever UTF-8 i'll do Kanji translation, too 20.21.29 Join shank [0] (~shank@pool-68-162-136-82.pitt.east.verizon.net) 20.22.29 # hardeep: have you see the red build generated by your very nice playlist modifs? 20.23.05 # Moos: yeah, it appears to be some bug with the compiler 20.24.01 # yes for gmini have you any idea what should it be? 20.25.18 # it's never very good to leave one warning ;) 20.26.13 # i like your modifications :) 20.26.50 # Moos: unfortunately, it's a little more difficult since this is a compiler error... it doesn't appear to be any particular line that's causing it, it's the entire case statement 20.27.07 # :( 20.27.39 # i don't know anyone here working in gmini port :( 20.27.53 # i think the only one was JyP 20.27.59 Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.28.09 # :-) 20.29.52 # have you still others ideas for playlists? 20.30.05 # *great ideas :) 20.31.46 # not currently, everything i've wanted is pretty much in now 20.33.40 # yes it's true it's already very elaborated, it's fine :) 20.36.04 Quit darthmall () 21.04.46 Join preglow [0] (~81f18ab7@labb.contactor.se) 21.09.28 Join JoeBorn [0] (~jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 21.10.22 # hey guys, we're having a discussion on next gen neuros hardware and OS 21.10.38 # and we'd love to get your advice from experience. 21.10.53 # its on #neuros if you're interested. 21.11.21 # Make it the first "out of the box" rockbox player! :) 21.11.27 # That's my advice ;) 21.11.34 # as you are well aware, we've hit a number of dead ends, adn we're looking to avoid that goign forward. 21.11.42 # we're considering that, we really are. 21.12.24 # sorry for not giving more notice, I just thought of swinging by while we were having the discussion 21.13.12 Quit kenshin (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.13.45 # Talk to LinusN, Bagder or Zagor 21.14.26 # will do, again I appoligize for the short notice, I just didn't think of it sooner. 21.26.09 # haha 21.26.22 # aren't you guys stuck with a texas instrument dsp chip of some sort? 21.26.50 # we're designing a next gen player, we're not "stuck" with anything. 21.27.10 # that's actually what we're talking about. swing over and join the discussion f you can. 21.28.37 # Sounds like great news. 21.28.50 # thanks. 21.29.05 # Talk to the core team. They are more full with wisdom and ideas than the Fort knox is loaded with gold! :) 21.29.28 # you guys have always been very nice to us, it's a real shame we haven't been able to get together on a device yet. 21.29.28 # ahh, i'm mistaking you 21.29.34 Join rasher [0] (~rasher@vliestroom.demon.nl) 21.30.03 # hmm 21.30.14 # might be fun to see what people want hardware-wise 21.30.24 # jump on in 21.30.30 # a dsp MIGHT be nice, but it wouldn't exactly make development easier 21.31.08 # can't join anything with this web client 21.31.17 # i should get back to my writing :> 21.31.17 # right 21.31.44 # oh, why the hell not 21.31.44 Join TCK- [0] (TCK@81-86-100-25.dsl.pipex.com) 21.31.46 Part preglow 21.32.12 Join preglow [0] (thomj@s183a.studby.ntnu.no) 21.32.33 # you can use irc.sorune.com 21.32.41 # IRC webclient. 21.32.52 # anyway we're winding down. I'll give more notice next time. 21.32.54 # nah, i just booted into irssi 21.34.37 # There is one downside with chosing the rockbox way. People will stick to their units for aeons of time :) I still use my first-gen recorder since 3 years back 21.34.52 Join webguest44 [0] (~d49f4cf2@labb.contactor.se) 21.35.25 # haha 21.35.37 # there's a risk i might want to hold on to my h120 for a while, yes 21.35.52 # longer lifecycles of the product is the other postive edge of that sword. 21.38.32 # On the other side, using rockbox-compliant hardware, there WILL be software updates 21.39.15 # Most manufacturers DO provide flashing for their units... But what good is a phone call, if you're unable to speak? 21.39.26 # which keeps the device current, without expensive hardware upgrades from the manufacturer 21.39.55 Quit TCK (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.39.56 # Use some kind of standardardized battery, or make SURE there will be available cells in the future as well. 21.40.11 # And mass storage compliance of course 21.40.28 # No stupid "windows media" this, or "synchronization manager" that 21.42.14 # Hmm, i would like something like iriver h1xx (software codec platform, optical out) 21.42.29 # you've got it! 21.42.36 # :) 21.42.41 # i think most parts of the h1x0 is nice, actually 21.42.43 # apart from the coldfire 21.43.15 # what's wrong with coldfire? 21.43.51 # well 21.44.15 # it's a bit awkward and buggy in places 21.44.22 # and really need assembly for fast dsp processing 21.44.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.44.35 # whereas on an arm, for example, you're very likely to get away with c 21.44.44 # Or a better compiler than gcc.. 21.44.54 # well, yeah 21.45.02 # gcc could do it fine 21.45.07 # but there's not much interest 21.45.20 # and i don't want to kill myself just yet, so i wont have a look at it ;) 21.47.49 Nick Sucka`away is now known as Sucka (~NNSCRIPT@host217-42-252-124.range217-42.btcentralplus.com) 21.53.56 Join kenshin [0] (~dave@c-24-17-8-193.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.55.05 # can't say i see why people is so fascinated with putting linux on protables 21.55.34 # ditto 21.55.58 # in the end, you end up building something like podzilla (in the case of ipl) on top 21.56.09 # in which case all the linuxness is just dead-weight 21.57.05 # yes, exactly 21.57.10 # That's my take on it, anyway 21.57.24 # unless you're going for a linux system, i don't see much of a point 21.57.33 # but i don't see much point in a linux system on a portable :/ 22.00.43 # * rasher ponders compiling a list of changes since 2.4 22.00.57 # (for archos) 22.02.00 # hmm. 22.02.23 # * HCl got shot down in his airplane on san andreas, jumped out, and parashuted to safety just before hitting the ground o.o. 22.02.37 # preglow: yup, its odd. 22.07.31 # hrm, can I make cvs spit out a list of commits? 22.08.08 # cvs log 22.08.08 # ? 22.08.35 # spot-on 22.09.20 # like that http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/since24.html ? 22.09.29 # made in Bagder 22.09.39 # not updated 22.09.45 # excellent 22.10.00 # :) 22.10.16 # a matter of cvs log >2004-12-23 22.11.08 # this is it was all after the last Rockbox release 22.12.31 # updating digest? ;) 22.15.28 # no.. I'd need someone to look at the scripts for that first 22.15.37 # probably Bagder 22.16.03 # yes probably 22.16.07 # each time I've tried to update it, thescripts fall over 22.16.30 # I was more thinking of a release note for 2.5 22.18.33 # will 2.5 have h120 support? 22.19.08 # That's not the plan, no 22.19.22 # k 22.19.40 # Problem is, h120 is still not quite there 22.19.56 # wont be for a while either 22.20.04 # though all the major parts are in place now 22.20.06 # And archos users are missing out on a lot of new features 22.20.17 # it's only right to release 2.5 now 22.20.33 # and introduce iriver support with a big 3.0 bang! 22.20.42 # no problem :-) 22.21.35 # it seems the right path 22.23.54 # i'll give the latest cvs code a whirl 22.37.34 Join TCK [0] (TCK@81-86-101-172.dsl.pipex.com) 22.45.11 # good evening crowd 22.48.46 # hellos 22.49.29 # Bagder: I assume http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/since24.html was created by a script - could you update it? 22.49.37 # sure 22.49.56 # Attempting to write release notes for a future 2.5 release 22.50.02 # cool 22.50.35 # I guess this should would be perfect for a wikipage 22.50.48 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (a2b0y@82-43-211-171.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.50.59 # I'll make one once I have something 22.51.37 # <]RowaN[> hey guys.. in the last week or so ive noticed that max volume on rockbox seems a lot lower than usual.. could there be some setting ive accidenly enabled or is this on purpose? 22.51.50 # <]RowaN[> (on my 120iriver) 22.52.20 # The bass and treble settings will affect how high the max volume will go 22.52.24 # to avoid clipping 22.52.35 # <]RowaN[> ah thanks 22.52.39 # we should add that to the iriver faq 22.52.54 # unless its already there... 22.53.19 # ]RowaN[: if you use really loud volume and eq, the volume will be turned down, but shouldn't be a problem with lower volume 22.53.20 Join jborn_ [0] (~jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.53.27 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.53.45 Nick jborn_ is now known as JoeBorn (~jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.54.43 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/since24b.html 22.55.51 # thanks 22.56.03 # <]RowaN[> skip to previous track doesnt seem to work for me in latest build.. whats the deal with that 22.56.22 # <]RowaN[> unless i press it a ton of times 22.56.26 # 2664 commits 22.56.54 # amicoon n°1 i assume :) 22.57.07 # *amiconn 22.57.12 # <]RowaN[> ah i think its when im trying to play files in the fooked area of my hd =] 22.57.28 # 729 amiconn 22.57.28 # 570 bagder 22.57.28 # 469 linus 22.57.37 # 269 hcl 22.57.37 # 265 dave 22.58.05 # :D 23.01.28 Quit TCK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.17 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 23.09.29 # 24 different committers 23.10.15 # what does that count, btw? number of commit sessions? files commited? 23.10.41 # that commits per user is per file 23.11.04 # which really is the reason why I have a such a high number ;-) 23.13.10 # haha 23.14.12 # hey 23.14.43 # the WPS refresh bugfix 23.15.13 # works nicely. how about the subdirs issue? 23.15.30 # is that an easy fix? 23.15.32 # ? 23.15.51 # ok. with my .wps and the images it uses in .rockbox, it works fine 23.16.14 # http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/WPS.jpg 23.16.16 # looks liek that 23.16.40 # if I put images in a subdir, say .rockbox/wps/edan and adjust the path to the images in teh .wps, it looks like this 23.17.00 # http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/dump_0002.JPG 23.17.30 # the little rockbox logo isn't there and you can see the "current track" image has some dots missing 23.18.19 # the image name must not be longer than 31 letters 23.18.20 # I think the missing dots is the logo 23.18.31 # not including the path surely? 23.18.38 # the whole 23.18.41 # aaah! 23.18.49 # but I think we should extend that 23.19.01 # seems a bit too restrictive in my eyes 23.19.05 # that'll be the reason then 23.19.20 # it definitely is if you want to use subdirs 23.19.33 # yes 23.19.37 # the logo is called "teeny_logo.bmp" which isn't unusually long 23.20.18 # actually 23.20.47 # the whole image name with the lpath is "wps/edan/teeny_logo.bpm" 23.20.53 # which isn't over 31 23.21.04 # then that's not the reason 23.21.31 # just remembered; ep0ch tried my wps and just had one subdir and it did the same thing 23.25.30 # Bagder: i have no idea how to fix the red gmini 120 build. It's a weird compiler bug 23.25.37 # I noticed 23.25.47 # it doesn't like more than 4 case statements in that particular code 23.25.49 # the gmini build is on a decay 23.27.09 # I fear we will see more problem in there soon enough and have to remove it from the table 23.27.16 # unless someone from the gmini camp shows up 23.27.28 # was anyone besides jyp working on it? 23.27.37 # not really 23.28.03 # he had some support with the hw-level, but afaik jyp wrote all the code 23.28.14 # and that includes the gcc port 23.28.46 # omfg 23.28.47 # madman 23.29.22 # yeps ;-) 23.29.59 # Bagder 23.30.03 # just did a test here 23.30.13 # deleting a char from teh image name 23.30.29 # %x1|wps/edan/te_logo.bmp|116|117| works 23.31.02 # %x1|wps/edan/teeny_logo.bmp|116|117| doesn't 23.31.15 # yes, it seems it wants more than just the file name within 32 23.31.21 # any plans to make the wps code be able to hardcode a font? 23.31.49 # would be good for the ones sharing WPS codes 23.31.57 # the font i want for my wps isn't necessarily the font i want elsewhere 23.32.51 # Coldtoast: I believe this is actually due to a bug 23.33.06 # per-line font-config in wps would be even nicer 23.33.22 # even per-text 23.33.33 # %fonthello%fontworld 23.33.49 # ok 23.33.56 # the scrolling is what makes multifonts tricky 23.33.58 # that's taking it a bit too far for my needs, but i can imagine it being useful 23.34.34 # yeah. letting the wps set the font would be good. So other ppl don't have to go changing fonts all the time 23.34.47 # shouldn't making scrolling font-aware be semi-easily doable? 23.35.06 # and it'd be cool to have access to the rockbox icons 23.35.13 # what icons? 23.35.19 # so I have have an icon of a musical note in front ot the track name 23.35.25 # i the file tree 23.35.26 # ah 23.35.32 # you have little musical note icons 23.35.34 # that would be rather easy 23.35.45 # yeah. t0mas said t'd be easy 23.35.53 # I think it'd look neat 23.42.10 Join yyz [0] (~yyz@modem-2487.zebra.dialup.pol.co.uk) 23.42.46 Quit webguest44 ("CGI:IRC") 23.43.54 # t0mas: booo 23.43.56 # here? 23.44.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.48.09 # did you find out why that guy's .ogg wouldn't play? few hours ago 23.48.50 # wacky_ it was 23.49.01 # had an album that wouldn't play on iriver 23.52.56 # odd, my oggs play fine 23.53.05 # it would be interesting to get such a problematic song 23.53.11 # http://ip.bourget.cc:8080/dump/14.ogg 23.53.14 # he posted them 23.53.29 # I tried that one and yeah. doesn't work but does with the iriver firmware 23.53.40 # hmm 23.53.44 # i gotta download that, interesting 23.54.10 # Coldtoast: so that particular one fails? 23.54.16 # yep 23.54.20 # ok, getting it 23.54.28 # he said all the others did too 23.54.37 # I just tried that one tho 23.54.40 # I bet one is enough to use for debugging 23.54.46 # yup 23.55.09 # it was encoded with an old version of libvirbis I noticed 23.55.09 # had he ripped the album himself, we know what kinda settings he used? 23.55.12 # t0mas: for the log: I mailed you a suggested patch 23.55.16 # from 2001 23.55.38 # he'll hopefully wake up in a few hours 23.55.48 # libvorbis 1.0 rc3 isn't terribly old, i've got older stuff somewhere 23.55.48 # it was wacky_ 23.55.56 # ok 23.56.53 # i think it should have produced files that are compatible with all vorbis decoders, even with those that don't support floor0 23.57.38 # Negative granulepos on vorbis stream outside of headers. This file was created by a buggy encoder 23.57.41 # slow server when I downloaded it 23.57.43 # ogginfo says stuff like that 23.57.51 # aah ok 23.57.53 # so there probably is something wrong with it 23.58.03 # I got it at 89kb/s 23.58.12 # 4.6 all the way. 23.58.27 # haha! good ol' dialuo? 23.58.31 # oh yes 23.58.39 # hehe 23.58.46 # the country has some advantages. but connectivity isnt one of them 23.58.56 # countyside*