--- Log for 06.07.105  Server: brown.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.42 #       <amiconn> Branches aren't too costly anyway. The coldfire doesn't depend as much on the pipeline as e.g. a Pentium 4
00.01.28 #       <amiconn> Taken/not taken clock cycles: Forward: 3/1, Backward: 2/3
00.01.58 #       <stripwax_> Ok, so not so bad then.
00.11.06 #       <stripwax_> Oh, ffs.   I've just found out that my iriver resetting is nothing to do with my local code changes -  I'm getting that behaviour with a compile of cvs head code too.   humph.
00.11.30 #       <thegeek> hmm, does anyone know what PO# is ? (context: visa)
00.12.50 #       <stripwax_> thegeek - visa as in credit card or visa as in international travel/employment?
00.13.15 #       <thegeek> credit card;)
00.13.16 #       <bill20r3> "purchase order" ?
00.13.22 #       <thegeek> hmm
00.13.26 #       <thegeek> perhaps
00.13.35 #       <thegeek> yeah
00.13.36 #       <bill20r3> internal numbers companies use to track thier spending
00.13.37 #       <bill20r3> make one up.
00.13.39 #       <thegeek> same from another # ;)
00.14.47 #       <stripwax_> post office number i.e. zipcode?
00.15.26 #       <amiconn> stripwax_: Do official builds work without resetting your iriver?
00.15.29 #       <thegeek> I just left it blank
00.15.30 #       <thegeek> ;)
00.15.57 #       <stripwax_> amiconn - yep.   i've just noticed some crufty versions in my local dirs so i'm checking out everything from cvs again
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00.18.51 #       <stripwax_> wow, yep.   must have had some shit code somewhere that wasn't mine ;-)    ok, back to work
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00.29.41 #       <Cassandra> Right - I gave up on multiple %a tags per line.  If anyone else wants a pop, be my guest.
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00.34.58 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: I guess this will be almost impossible with the current approach
00.35.30 #       <amiconn> I'm thinking of the following system:
00.36.07 #       <amiconn> Instead of basing everything on lines, position every wps element in a bounding box
00.37.15 #       <amiconn> The box can contain just about every single element, including scrolling text, which would scroll inside the box
00.37.45 #       <Bagder> sounds like a very good plan
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00.38.03 #       <amiconn> Alternating display would be provided externally, defining whether the box is shown or not
00.38.13 #       <Cassandra> I think this is a good idea, ami.  Would require significant changes to the WPS file format though.
00.38.36 #       <amiconn> Yeps, and it requires significant changes to the scrolling code as well
00.39.19 #       <amiconn> There are elements which would have to adapt themselves to the box size (progress bar, peakmeter)
00.39.29 #       <Cassandra> amiconn:  I can think of ways to fudge it with the current approach, but the code would be hideous.
00.39.59 #       <amiconn> The bitmap display is the first that uses pixel positioning, independent of the line concept
00.40.03 #       <Cassandra> It also paves the way for a spectrum analyzer element.
00.41.27 #       <Cassandra> Right.  AFAIK the only other thing anyone wanted for 2.5 was Linus request for more solidity to SongDB support.
00.41.44 #       <stripwax_> amiconn - hm, maybe we need that scroll_rect fn after all?  ;-)
00.42.01 #       <amiconn> Not really
00.42.26 #       <amiconn> There is no real difference between scrolling line based and box based
00.42.29 #       <Cassandra> Actually one other thing would be the A-B repeat patch.
00.42.40 #       <amiconn> Just a few more parameters per scrolling 'line'
00.42.47 #       <Cassandra> However, that messes with Archos keymaps.
00.42.54 #       <amiconn> Urgs
00.42.57 #       <Cassandra> (Pitch up/down)
00.43.11 #       <Cassandra> I knew there was a reason why it hadn't been committed.
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00.44.00 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: As Linus said earlier today (or y'day for me). One of the biggest problem with patches is that they are often tailored for one platform, ignoring the others
00.44.22 #       <amiconn> Rockbox is multiplatform, grr!
00.44.35 #       <Cassandra> It's not going to work anyway.
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00.44.43 #       <stripwax_> amiconn - no, I guess not.  I'm just still not comfortable with the idea of doing all that  pointless glyph-framebuffer copying instead of framebuffer-framebuffer copying when scrolling text
00.44.50 #       <Cassandra> The WPS context menu will break it.
00.45.18 #       <amiconn> That's a thing I have to carefully consider when chaning the scrolling etc - it has to continue to work on player, without too much code divergence
00.45.36 #       <Cassandra> No, scratch that.
00.45.49 #       <amiconn> ??
00.46.02 #       <Cassandra> WPS context menu won't interfere.
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00.47.40 #       <hardeep> red build
00.47.49 #       <Cassandra> He's messing with the pitch screen:  See https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1105616&group_id=44306&atid=439120
00.48.14 #       <Cassandra> Also, this patch won't actually work on iRiver, due to the SELECT key not being chordable.
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00.49.03 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: What did Linus say? Multiplatform problem in wps alignment code - player broke
00.49.23 #       <Cassandra> *sigh*
00.49.28 #       <Cassandra> I'll go fix it.
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01.19.14 #       <webguest53> amiconn: think others have been thinking in similar ways      http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=874.0
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01.21.12 #       <stripwax_> Woohoo!  PCM peakmeters  !   Kindof!
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01.22.37 #       <stripwax_> although...  it looks pretty random right now which isn't really the intention :-(
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01.28.50 #       <Cassandra> Argh!  What the hell does IO3:AddrErr mean?
01.29.10 #       <amiconn> That means address error
01.29.16 #       <rwlogix> *rofl*
01.29.18 #       <Cassandra> Well yes.
01.29.31 #       <amiconn> Archos or iriver?
01.29.34 #       <Cassandra> And why does this code work on Archos and die on iRiver.
01.32.35 #       <Cassandra> And why is it now not working on iRiver when it's logically the same code as last time?
01.33.08 #       <rwlogix> aether...you know
01.34.13 #       <hardeep> Cassandra: reinstall the codecs as well
01.34.34 #       <hardeep> the header was changed
01.34.39 #       <Cassandra> Ah
01.35.03 #       <hardeep> we should put some versioning there, similar to plugins
01.36.48 #       <Cassandra> Thanks.  That was it.
01.37.01 #       <Cassandra> Gods I'm getting tired of catching the digital flow.
01.37.58 #       <Cassandra> amicon: Commited.  Can you verify that player build is still working, please?
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01.39.28 #       <hardeep> Cassandra: the player sim works pretty well for this type of verification
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01.44.24 #       <Cassandra> I'm still getting the last few seconds of the final track clipped.
01.45.05 #       <Cassandra> Also resume info is definitely not being reset at the end of the playlist.  (The index needs setting to -1)
01.46.21 #       <hardeep> Cassandra: strange, it was working for me yesterday... maybe one of the changes today broke it again
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01.47.49 #       <Cassandra> Right.  Builds are now clean.  I'm done for the day.
01.47.52 #       <Cassandra> Night.
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01.55.03 #       <hardeep> Slasheri: around?
02.13.49 #       <Rori> I look forward to peak meters
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02.17.15 #       <stripwax_> Rori .. mmm..  will be nice when I've debugged it but it's getting pretty late..
02.19.08 #       <Rori> excuses ;)
02.19.11 #       <Rori> j/k
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02.31.01 #       <Biple> Hello there 
02.31.27 #       <Biple> Hows the radio coming along 
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04.25.00 #       <Rori> good question
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06.13.24 #       <Gfreaky> hey yall
06.13.26 #       <Gfreaky> anyone awake?
06.13.36 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> I'm awake.
06.19.22 #       <Gfreaky> cool
06.19.43 #       <Gfreaky> i was wondering if you could help me with rockbox? the main menu is really small and i was wondering how to make it larger?
06.20.09 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> I have no idea. I've never used Rockbox.
06.20.12 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> I own the H300
06.20.22 #       <Gfreaky> ahhh, i have a H120
06.20.23 #       <HCl> change fonts, probably
06.20.23 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Sorry.
06.20.27 #       * HCl goes back to sleep
06.20.30 #       <Gfreaky> lol
06.20.50 #       <Gfreaky> or, what was called an ihp-120 when i bought it lol
06.20.57 #       <Gfreaky> i love the thing
06.21.05 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Good for you. ;)
06.21.13 #       <Gfreaky> now i just gotta convert my wmas and i'll be good to go with only rockbox :)
06.24.13 #       <ashridah> Gfreaky: well, potentially, if someones' willing to rewrite ffmpeg to work in integer-only code, wma could be supported. i'm just not sure there's enough interest as it stands
06.24.24 #       <ashridah> (interest from capable parties, that is)
06.24.31 #       <Gfreaky> frankly
06.24.35 #       <Gfreaky> i hate wmas anyways
06.24.52 #       <Gfreaky> it would be nice to have them supported but its just as good for me to get rid of the suckers
06.24.58 #       <ashridah> heh, true, but reencoding it will end up potentially adding more loss, unless you've got wma's of your own cds
06.25.17 #       <Gfreaky> i dont think the loss will be that bad
06.25.20 #       <Gfreaky> and its only one or two cds
06.25.42 #       <ashridah> well, it depends on what you go to. FLAC wouldn't add any MORE loss, in theory.
06.26.33 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> "and its only one or two cds" <=== does that mean you have the CDs?
06.26.53 #       <Gfreaky> nope
06.26.59 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh.
06.27.06 #       <Gfreaky> quick question: the docs say i need to "run" this file from my player
06.27.14 #       <Gfreaky> but when i click ont he rockbox dir it bring up and option menu
06.27.22 #       <Gfreaky> am i doing something wrong?
06.27.58 #       <ashridah> Gfreaky: which file are we talking about?
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06.28.06 #       <Gfreaky> like a custom font
06.28.11 #       <Naked6> Hey FELLAS
06.28.13 #       <Gfreaky> and a custom graphic
06.28.18 #       <Gfreaky> wps or something like that
06.28.35 #       <ashridah> oh. uh, they go in .rockbox/fonts and ./rockbox respectively. 
06.28.39 #       <Naked6> anyone here know alot about FM waves
06.29.00 #       <Gfreaky> yeah well
06.29.06 #       <Gfreaky> then the doc says i need to "play" them
06.29.08 #       <Gfreaky> how do i do that?
06.29.36 #       <ashridah> then use a-b to get a menu up, then go to display, and change the font from there. that's the only way i know how to use them. holding down the control stick may bring up a context menu that lets you use them as well
06.29.48 #       <ashridah> the WPS can be chosen in the same way as the font
06.30.05 #       <ashridah> a normal install of rockbox on a player will have included a fair chunk of fonts tho
06.30.12 #       <ashridah> so adding a custom one may not have been necessary
06.30.17 #       <Naked6> you guys know how nice cars like land rovers can pick up text from radio stations.... what if it were possible for our irivers to do the same?  maybe it is not possible but if anyone knows I want to request this as a feature of rockbox.
06.30.32 #       <Gfreaky> aaahhhhh! Thanks!
06.31.30 #       <Gfreaky> quick other question
06.31.36 #       <Gfreaky> bit irrelevant
06.31.54 #       <Gfreaky> do most boomboxes support, say, recording to a cassette from a line that the h120 has?
06.32.12 #       <ashridah> Gfreaky: if they've got RCA in plugs, probably.
06.32.17 #       <ashridah> i find not many do these days
06.32.19 #       <Naked6> some old boom boxes had mics
06.32.21 #       <ashridah> cheaper ones at any rate
06.32.48 #       <ashridah> you don't really want the extra gain a mic-in will give you tho
06.32.53 #       <Naked6> nope
06.33.29 #       <Naked6> i would just go to goodwill and buy a tape recorder with aux inputs
06.34.04 #       <Gfreaky> cause like my car only has a cassette player
06.34.09 #       * ashridah doesn't even own anything that'll play tapes anymore
06.34.12 #       <Gfreaky> and im interested in hearing what it will sound like on tape
06.34.16 #       <ashridah> well, there is mum's car, that's about it :)
06.34.32 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Then all you need is a cassete adaptor.
06.34.34 #       <Gfreaky> i want a bit of a warmer analog sound
06.34.43 #       <Gfreaky> got one :)
06.34.45 #       <Naked6> DUDE.  NO
06.34.52 #       * ashridah shudders
06.34.53 #       <Naked6> get a stereo
06.34.57 #       <Naked6> for your car
06.35.06 #       <Naked6> your raping your life away
06.35.22 #       <Gfreaky> eh?
06.35.34 #       <Naked6> you need a CD/mp3 player
06.35.35 #       <Gfreaky> was that referenced to the tape adapter or wanting to listen to stuff on a tape?
06.35.38 #       <Naked6> FOR YOUR CAR
06.35.56 #       <Naked6> ebay has to have them for a decent price
06.36.03 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> The tape adaptor would let you listen to your iHP-120 in the car.
06.36.10 #       <Gfreaky> i have one
06.38.17 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Ok.
06.38.52 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> So then you (rather obviously ;)) plug the 3.5mm end into your iHP-120 and put the cassette in your cassette player.
06.39.05 #       <Gfreaky> i know :)
06.39.11 #       <Gfreaky> but
06.39.20 #       <Gfreaky> i'm curious to hear what my music would sound like as a tape :)
06.39.21 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> But...
06.39.23 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh
06.39.31 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> If you have one.
06.39.34 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Test it. :P
06.39.43 #       <Gfreaky> well the thing is
06.39.43 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Seems like the obvious thing to do.
06.39.51 #       <Gfreaky> i want to compare the same music in each format
06.39.57 #       <Gfreaky> and to do that i need to convert one to the other
06.40.14 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> But then you'll lost quality, and it won't be a fair test.
06.40.32 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> To do that, I'd test it how you'll normally listen to it.
06.41.06 #       <Gfreaky> i just wanted to put wav/flacs on a cassette
06.41.14 #       <Gfreaky> and see what they sound like compared to the digital files
06.41.19 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> On the cassette.
06.41.19 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Oh.
06.41.23 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> That's different.
06.41.28 #       <Gfreaky> yep :)
06.41.42 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Then you don't need the cassette adaptor. ;)
06.41.48 #       <Gfreaky> but the thing is
06.41.54 #       <Gfreaky> i need to find a way to convert it in the first place
06.42.32 #       <Gfreaky> rockbox doesn't play flacs very well does it?
06.42.36 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> I don't know.
06.42.50 #       <Gfreaky> its quite "skippy"
06.42.53 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> WAV and FLAC will sound the same.
06.42.58 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> SQ wise.
06.43.03 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> since their both lossless.
06.43.17 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> and FLAC has a smaller file size.
06.44.43 #       <Naked6> you guys know how nice cars like land rovers can pick up text from radio stations.... what if it were possible for our irivers to do the same?  maybe it is not possible but if anyone knows I want to request this as a feature of rockbox.
06.46.01 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> And WavPack has a smaller file size than either FLAC or WAV.
06.46.06 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> and is still lossless.
06.46.41 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> But Naked6, I have no idea.
06.46.54 #       <Naked6> yeah
06.47.12 #       <Naked6> just think how sweet it would be if we had text while on FM
06.47.22 #       <Naked6> we could start making recording programs
06.47.29 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> The amount  use FM, it wouldn't be all that important.
06.47.30 #       <Naked6> to include the id tags
06.47.34 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> But yes, it would be cool. :D
06.47.39 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> IF it's possible.
06.47.59 #       <Naked6> yeah
06.48.17 #       <Naked6> it might be on a spectrum the fm channel does not normally see
06.49.03 #       <Gfreaky> wow this gapless is rather spiffy
06.49.07 #       <Gfreaky> it works like a charm
06.49.12 #       <Gfreaky> takes a while to load flac files but
06.49.17 #       <Gfreaky> its very nice
06.49.20 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> "well,  WavPack -h is always smaller than FLAC -8"
06.49.21 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> If that means anything to you, Gfreaky. ;)
06.49.25 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Means about nothing to me...
06.49.27 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> :P
06.49.42 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Quoted from DreamTactix291.
06.49.45 #       <Gfreaky> wavpack high compress and flac 8 compression quality i *think*
06.50.40 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Yeah, I figured something like that.
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06.54.31 #       <Gfreaky> thats what it is that i have in wma
06.54.33 #       <Gfreaky> the wall :-/
06.54.43 #       <Gfreaky> yeah, i need to borrow that my from my friend again
07.02.46 #       <ashridah> FLAC tends to be fairly large, yeah, so it won't compress down to a meg or two per minute like mp3, ogg and wma can
07.03.21 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Yes, but that's typical of any lossless format.
07.03.57 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Just one of those things that lossless is.
07.03.57 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Big.
07.05.32 #       <ashridah> indeed, which means a much higher bitrate, and thus, longer load times, and more of them
07.06.06 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> But higher sound quality.
07.06.16 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Which is really the whole point of lossless.
07.06.29 #       <ashridah> not higher. highest :)
07.06.40 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> lol
07.06.42 #       <CheeseBurgerMan> Yep.
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07.13.29 #       <LinusN> hi
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07.49.48 #       <LinusN> a "Play later..." option in the browser context menu
07.50.18 #       <LinusN> or "Timed playback" or something
07.53.45 #       <Bger> morning ;)
07.57.14 #       <LinusN> moo
08.01.42 #       <Bger> hmm  http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/rdiff/Main/IriverFAQ?rev1=1.34&rev2=1.33
08.02.34 #       <LinusN> badness!!!!
08.03.18 #       <amiconn> morning
08.04.09 #       <LinusN> Bger: i removed it
08.04.16 #       <Bger> why ?
08.04.28 #       <LinusN> amiconn: morn
08.04.54 #       <Bger> morning, amiconn 
08.05.51 #       <LinusN> Bger: hmm, maybe i misinterpreted it...
08.06.42 #       <Bger> for me i don't see any reason to remove it
08.07.29 #       <LinusN> i put it back now
08.08.15 #       * amiconn now has a 4-grey rockbox logo on his iriver shown at boot and info->version
08.08.37 #       <amiconn> ...converted with a heavily changed bmp2rb
08.09.02 #       <Bger> i pasted it just because i was surprised by the reaction of the iriver's support representative
08.09.33 #       <amiconn> The 'box' part in the logo is filled with light grey
08.09.43 #       <LinusN> yeah, i missed the part where he said he told exactly what he had done
08.09.57 #       <LinusN> amiconn: keeeeewl!
08.10.23 #       <amiconn> I dropped the 'show ascii' mode for now. Is that a problem?
08.10.33 #       <amiconn> (from bmp2rb)
08.12.27 #       <LinusN> i kind of liked that option
08.12.42 #       <LinusN> but you can leave it for now
08.12.43 #       <amiconn> Trciky to support with > 1 bit depth...
08.12.54 #       <LinusN> amiconn: true
08.12.56 #       <amiconn> bmp2rb now supports 3 target formats:
08.14.03 #       <amiconn> (1) Archos recorder, Ondio, Gmini 120/SP, Iriver H1x0 monochrome bitmaps (2) Player gfx library format (3) Iriver H1x0 4-grey mode
08.14.49 #       <LinusN> i assume ascii still works for (1) ?
08.15.08 #       <amiconn> Not atm; I disabled ascii mode
08.15.15 #       <LinusN> ok
08.15.34 #       <LinusN> it's just a nice way of seeing that it interpreted the bitmap correctly
08.15.38 #       <amiconn> In fact I *could* support ascii mode for all depths, as I changed the processing quite a bit
08.15.40 #       <LinusN> not a big deal
08.16.17 #       <LinusN> let the one who really needs it do the work of fixing it
08.16.22 #       <amiconn> read_bmp_file() reads the bitmap and puts the data in an 1 byte/pixel array (like the comment said but unlike it was implemented)
08.16.50 #       <amiconn> The byte conatins the true brightness of the pixel, computed from the palette
08.17.14 #       <amiconn> No more lame guess which colour is foreground and which one is background
08.17.47 #       <amiconn> Then there is an additional function, transform_bitmap(), which creates the target format from that
08.18.35 #       <amiconn> ASCII could be generated from the 1 byte/pixel bitmap without even transforming
08.18.54 #       <amiconn> Just ' ' for brightness >= 128 and '*' for <= 127
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08.36.03 #       <Bger> morning, B4
08.36.20 #       <B4gder> howdy ho
08.36.52 #       * B4gder started his morning with over on hour without internet access!
08.36.54 #       <B4gder> horror
08.44.19 #       * amiconn wonders about the inconsequent fix for wps alignment on the player
08.44.43 #       <amiconn> I don't see why the player shouldn't allow alignment (character based).
08.45.23 #       <amiconn> And - in case this is undesired the alignment tag processing should be disabled as well.
08.45.32 #       <amiconn> No need to process data, then discard it
08.46.03 #       <B4gder> I agree
08.46.30 #       <B4gder> I guess the alignment is less useful on the charcell display due to the limited number of characters
08.49.59 #       <amiconn> Yes it's less useful, but first reading alignment info then not using it is nonsense
08.50.08 #       <B4gder> yes
08.50.27 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I enabled ascii output
08.52.17 #       <LinusN> wow
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09.10.39 #       <Delazon> Hello ya all!
09.11.07 #       <LinusN> yo
09.11.36 #       * B4gder holds up his cup of coffe in a welcoming gesture
09.12.20 #       <HCl> heh
09.13.02 #       <HCl> morning.
09.14.25 #       <Delazon> I already had my morning coffe... byt any way SAULTE
09.14.37 #       <Delazon> Salute it should be :D
09.16.26 #       <Delazon> im new here and way i jumped on the train was that i wanted to find out anything about the release date for the Rockbox H3XX...
09.16.38 #       <LinusN> there is no date
09.16.41 #       <Delazon> I couldnt find it on the site or in any FAQ....
09.16.43 #       <Delazon> ok
09.16.54 #       <Delazon> thanx for your answer then.
09.16.58 #       <LinusN> :-)
09.17.11 #       <Delazon> By the way, are you guy´s swedish?
09.17.20 #       <LinusN> i'm swamped with work and Real Life(tm)
09.17.21 #       <B4gder> some of us are
09.17.22 #       <LinusN> yes i am
09.17.49 #       <LinusN> Delazon: you should change your character encoding from utf8 to iso-8859-15
09.17.51 #       <Delazon> ok, i guessed that by your names.... good work you are doing. 
09.17.56 #       <LinusN> thx
09.18.18 #       <Delazon> hmm... im using Chatzilla in Firefox :(
09.18.37 #       <Delazon> Im not used to IRC in general.
09.19.11 #       <Delazon> Is it better now?
09.19.12 #       <B4gder> we'll try not to tease you ;-)
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09.19.51 #       <Delazon> brb
09.31.29 #       <HCl> gah. i hate spam
09.32.56 #       <ashridah> i don;t like green eggs and spam, i don't like them, sam i am
09.35.17 #       * HCl should probably change his usage of the word spam since in the original meaning, it doesn't make much sense..
09.35.25 #       <HCl> "gah, i hate sending people annoying mail"
09.35.45 #       <HCl> psmam maybe
09.35.50 #       <HCl> i hate people sending me annoying mail
09.36.01 #       <amiconn> I'll add high-/truecolour bmp support to bmp2rb. Seems simple
09.36.26 #       <LinusN> way to go
09.37.34 #       <amiconn> That's only as input format for now, and it discards colour infomation
09.37.59 #       <amiconn> (computes a almost exact visual brightness from it)
09.38.33 #       <amiconn> brightness = (3 * red + 6 * green + blue) / 10
09.39.53 #       <HCl> is there any way to make rockbox display the recycled and system volume information folders?
09.40.17 #       <HCl> i need to delete them..
09.40.32 #       <B4gder> they aren't shown?
09.40.48 #       <B4gder> I thought they were
09.40.53 #       <LinusN> me too
09.40.53 #       <HCl> not on my iriver, at least
09.40.57 #       <amiconn> show files == all
09.41.09 #       <HCl> i thought i had that option on.. but ok
09.41.22 #       <stripwax_> Really, really rubbish PCM vu meter patch at www.beermex.com/@spc/vu.patch
09.41.32 #       <HCl> i just managed to do it in the windows command prompt anywho
09.41.52 #       <stripwax_> If anyone would like to point me in the right direction that would be great...   like, is the approach even valid?   I'm just guessing, really
09.42.38 #       <HCl> no clue, sorry :/
09.43.39 #       <LinusN> stripwax_: interesting approach, i must say
09.44.46 #       <Maxime`Mrn> you guys never sleep? o_O lol
09.44.51 #       <stripwax_> LinusN  yeah..     I think it's kind-of in the right direction, reading directly from the pcm buffer indexed on the current value of BCR0.  But I also make some crap assumptions
09.45.38 #       <stripwax_> and of course it's not even slightly optimised.   And I reread SAR0 before and after BCR0 to check SAR0 hasnt' been updated by the DMA0 interrupt in the meantime.
09.45.53 #       <Delazon> Are the H3xx your main priority at the moment?
09.46.02 #       <LinusN> Delazon: far from it
09.46.02 #       <B4gder> Delazon: no
09.46.10 #       <Delazon> ok.
09.46.55 #       <stripwax_> LinusN - by the way, what's the normal way to create patch files like this?  I cvs diff -u file > patch.txt    cvs diff -u file2 >> patch.txt   etc  ... !  :-s
09.47.00 #       <Delazon> i just digging for some light in my H3xx tunnel :D Im a little tired of my player and want some thing new to play around with ;)
09.47.10 #       <LinusN> stripwax_: i think those calculations should be made by the pcm dsp code
09.47.23 #       <stripwax_> LinusN ?
09.47.37 #       <HCl> stripwax_: you can just diff directories..
09.47.38 #       <B4gder> stripwax_: yeps, that's a fine way to make a patch
09.47.43 #       <LinusN> the peak info can be precalculated
09.48.02 #       <stripwax_> LinusN - I agree, it can, but then you have to take into account latency, no?
09.48.12 #       <LinusN> at the same time it does the mixing and resampling
09.48.28 #       <stripwax_> LinusN - hmm, where is that code?
09.48.32 #       <LinusN> then the peak info can be stored in a separate buffer
09.48.39 #       <stripwax_> (still finding my way around rbx)
09.49.08 #       <LinusN> stripwax_: i'm as lost as you are when it comes to the iriver playback code :-)
09.49.38 #       <stripwax_> :-)
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09.50.03 #       <HCl> weeeeee.
09.50.08 #       <HCl> hm, lag.
09.50.10 #       <HCl> but.
09.50.37 #       <stripwax_> HCl ?!
09.50.40 #       <HCl> my improvement to the hashing algorhythm yesterday was at least enough to give my two copies of sunday bloody sunday a duplicate hash :)
09.50.53 #       <stripwax_> HCl hehe
09.51.04 #       <B4gder> HCl: the hash is only calculated by the songdb tool, is that right?
09.51.06 #       <HCl> which was one of the things that was annoying me
09.51.10 #       <stripwax_> LinusN - ah, apps/dsp.c  and/or apps/playback.c      I'll take a look tonight maybe
09.51.14 #       <stripwax_> gotta go..    t'ra!
09.51.15 #       <LinusN> HCl: psst, it's "algorithm"
09.51.19 #       <HCl> B4gder: yes, but we might calculate it on target in the future
09.51.25 #       <HCl> LinusN: thanks :p
09.51.31 #       <HCl> are you sure? *checks dict*
09.51.44 #       <stripwax_> LinusN - maybe it's algorhythm if it's got a good beat?
09.51.46 #       <HCl>  :p
09.51.49 #       <HCl> okay, i'll keep that in mind
09.52.16 #       <LinusN> i remember "The Algorhytms" being the band that played at the wedding in Ghostbusters
09.52.25 #       <LinusN> or?
09.52.39 #       <B4gder> there was a wedding in ghostbusters? :-)
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09.52.45 #       <LinusN> was it ghostbusters or honey i shrunk the kids?
09.52.48 #       <HCl> lol.
09.53.03 #       * HCl imprints the proper spelling of algorithm in his mind
09.53.09 #       <Delazon> No wedding in shrunk the kids ;)
09.53.22 #       <LinusN> nm
09.53.51 #       <ashridah> ghostbusters 2 might have had one
09.54.26 #       <LinusN> it's probably neither of those
09.54.46 #       <LinusN> my memory isn't that good
09.55.55 #       <B4gder> google shows loads of references to the name
09.55.56 #       <ashridah> there was a sort of weirdo wedding near the end of ghostbusters 1 with the vigo wizard dude 
09.56.05 #       <LinusN> not that one
09.58.18 #       <ashridah> i think they implied a wedding in between ghostbusters 1 and 2 tho
09.58.27 #       <B4gder> hahaha
09.58.42 #       <B4gder> that must be it
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10.19.05 #       <HCl> whats this crash
10.19.07 #       <HCl> i keep getting it
10.19.14 #       <HCl> I40:PDIR1FULL at 40102000
10.19.27 #       <HCl> ?
10.19.37 #       <LinusN> hmmm
10.19.54 #       <LinusN> have you tried recording?
10.20.11 #       <HCl> no
10.20.14 #       <HCl> just playback
10.20.18 #       <LinusN> when do you get it?
10.20.23 #       <HCl> when trying to stop my song
10.20.26 #       <HCl> i had it yesterday too
10.21.17 #       <LinusN> that interrupt shouldn't even be enabled
10.21.24 #       <LinusN> looks like a major crash
10.22.07 #       <HCl> gotta go.. i'll try to look at it later
10.29.52 #       <LinusN> aah, i'm an idiot
10.31.04 #       <LinusN> just wanted to tell you all
10.32.40 #       <ashridah> we knew :)
10.32.56 #       <B4gder> your wife already told us
10.33.07 #       <B4gder> :-P
10.33.24 #       <ashridah> who else but an idiot would commit to a lifetime of rockbox development
10.33.44 #       <ashridah> :)
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10.48.13 #       <LinusN> new issue: how can we handle the case when the ata driver hangs because there isn't enough power to spin up the drive?
10.48.33 #       <Rick> barf all over the floor?! :D
10.48.51 #       <LinusN> there is an endless retry loop in ata_read_sectors()
10.48.55 #       <ashridah> watchdog timer interrupt?
10.49.24 #       <ashridah> assuming one can even set it up across all platforms
10.49.54 #       <amiconn> HCl: For your "0% 	 Add a "Filesystem" link in the root when browsing the id3 database, since at the moment it completely blocks users from using the normal filesystem" todo, I may have a better suggestion
10.49.55 #       <LinusN> the retry loop is there to handle r/w errors due to shaking the device
10.50.05 #       <ashridah> the big problem i find is that there's no way to do this when USB is active is there?
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10.50.33 #       <LinusN> ashridah: true
10.50.45 #       <ashridah> can you forcibly disable the usb chip?
10.50.52 #       <LinusN> yes
10.51.01 #       <ashridah> because i'd really prefer the OS at least treated it as a problem *now* not when it tries to write to the disk
10.51.24 #       <ashridah> even if what may have been in flux between buffers is already lost
10.51.48 #       <ashridah> i've accidentally let it run down a few times, and it's invariably been when it's plugged in in usbmode
10.51.58 #       <LinusN> use the charger
10.52.19 #       <amiconn> Hcl: Instead of having a separate tagbrowse mode, we could show the tag database as a virtual sub-dir in the root like we show the additional volumes with multivolume support now (Ondio)
10.52.21 #       <ashridah> true, i didn't try plugging that in, infact, i yanked the usb plug :)
10.52.45 #       <LinusN> ashridah: i mean. don't do extensive usb sessions without the charger attached
10.52.47 #       <ashridah> i doubt the os would have been overly happy regardless tho
10.52.58 #       <ashridah> LinusN: yeah, well, i forgot. it's not something i do often
10.53.45 #       <ashridah> but my point is i'd rather the operating system had to deal with it as a 'wtf, the usb device vanished?!' than 'wtf, the drive won't respond' or however the usb-storage chipset handles the situation
10.54.12 #       <LinusN> i get it
10.54.28 #       <ashridah> of course, that's not the same thing as your original problem.
10.55.30 #       <LinusN> no, our problem is that 1) the boot loader hangs if it can't load the firmware because the disk won't spin up and 2) rockbox hangs when it tries to save the settings
10.56.10 #       <LinusN> we can fix it by checking the battery voltage, but i don't like that solution at all
10.56.40 #       <LinusN> since it prevents utilizing the full battery capacity
10.56.42 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Iirc the retry loop in ata.c has a timeout
10.56.45 #       <ashridah> yeah
10.57.16 #       <LinusN> amiconn: not that i can see
10.57.29 #       <ashridah> like freaking out and hitting the brakes and then getting out and pushing when a car's fuel gauge hits 'E', it might still have enough fuel to get to a petrol station :)
10.57.48 #       <LinusN> ah, TIME_BEFORE(current_tick, timeout)
10.58.29 #       <ashridah> but yeah, i'd do the quick-n-dirty method in the first case, toss in a timer, attempt to spin it up, hopefully the timer won't get stuck by the ATA bus being jammed, and say 'Are we out of power' for a few seconds on the lcd, then shut down
10.59.03 #       <amiconn> LinusN: yup
10.59.50 #       <amiconn> It still doesn't help sometimes, probably because of up-level code not checking return values, and retrying...
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11.27.51 #       <amiconn> LinusN: RLD froze the unit forever until forced poweroff, not only for a minute
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11.44.19 #       <markun> amiconn: I'm implementing replaygain using the mixer. Any idea where I can set the volume so it will coincide with the track change?
11.44.59 #       <LinusN> amiconn: ah, yes
11.47.15 #       <amiconn> markun: My best guess is that it should be done by the playback code. It knows best when the track changes, and should have the replaygain value in the associated structure
11.47.31 #       <amiconn> Of course the pcm playback latency makes it a bit tricky...
11.47.40 #       <markun> yes, that's the problem
11.48.00 #       <LinusN> imho, the pcm playback code should know where the track changes are in the pcm buffer
11.48.34 #       <amiconn> The pcm playback code needs to know where the DMA is as well, for the peakmeter
11.48.41 #       <amiconn> An associated problem...
11.49.15 #       <amiconn> How large are the DMA chunks?
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11.50.25 #       <Moos> Hi guys :)
11.51.32 #       <markun> morning Moos
11.51.44 #       <Moos> hi markun
11.53.23 #       <amiconn> markun: You also need to take care how you set the mixer. The mixer value is non-constant, used as a prescaler when boosting bass / treble
11.56.21 #       <LinusN> amiconn: the chunk size seems to be 32kbytes
12.00.05 #       <markun> amiconn: I took care of that.
12.01.08 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Not too large, less than 0.2 sec. For the peakmeter it might be sufficient to just calculate the peak per chunk
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12.21.43 #       <LinusN> absolutely
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12.31.01 #       <webguest69> Hiya
12.31.37 #       <webguest69> I've just installed the latest version of iRiver Rockbox and when i turn the iRiver on i get this message "Error accessing playlist control file"
12.34.04 #       <webguest69> any ideas?
12.34.56 #       <webguest69> also when you crank the bass control up, the maximum volume dimishes
12.35.01 #       <webguest69> diminishes
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12.38.21 #       <LinusN> webguest11: the "Error accessing..." message is usually because the .rockbox directory is missing
12.38.34 #       <LinusN> or that there is a filesystem problem
12.38.35 #       <webguest69> oh right
12.38.48 #       <webguest69> Also the volume level decreases as you turn the bass up
12.39.01 #       <LinusN> yes, that's intentional to prevent clipping
12.39.20 #       <webguest69> oh right
12.39.38 #       <LinusN> you can't have max volume with cranked bass, so either the bass has to be decreased or the volume
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12.39.57 #       <LinusN> rockbox lowers the volume while the original firmware lowers the bass
12.40.08 #       <webguest69> oh right. I believe iRiver had an option so you could turn "bass management" on or off on their 300 series
12.40.12 #       <LinusN> i'm not sure which is best
12.40.44 #       <LinusN> personally, i think iriver made the better choice
12.40.49 #       <webguest69> well i suppose you could have a switchable option such as "decrease bass, decrease volume, or none (warning, may cause clipping)
12.41.05 #       <Febs> Linus, I agree.  Fletcher-Munson effect...
12.41.18 #       <LinusN> webguest11: of course, but rockbox already suffers badly from "optionitis"
12.41.21 #       <webguest69> well what would u think of a switchable option as said above?
12.41.36 #       <Febs> Bass is perceived to be louder at higher volume levels, so the decrease in bass is not as noticable as the volume is increased anyway.
12.41.54 #       <LinusN> Febs: yup
12.42.02 #       <webguest69> It would be brilliant if the radio tuner gets supported as well
12.42.16 #       <LinusN> webguest69: of course, that's just a matter of time
12.42.33 #       <webguest69> yea, and being able to record from it as well
12.43.03 #       <webguest69> With the backlight fading, is it possible to keep it "fixed" at a dimmer or brighter level?
12.43.12 #       <LinusN> webguest69: no
12.43.16 #       <webguest69> :-(
12.43.38 #       <webguest69> and finally, working peak meters in the wps would look good :-)
12.43.47 #       <LinusN> of course
12.43.53 #       <webguest69> :D
12.44.51 #       <webguest69> but at least iriver rockbox is coming on nicely
12.45.24 #       <webguest69> Does iriver rockbox automatically turn the machine off to prevent the battery getting excessively low like on the iRiver firmware?
12.45.50 #       <LinusN> no
12.47.14 #       <Slasheri> webguest69: in theory, it's possible to keep the dimming level fixed but that _will_ eat battery
12.47.32 #       <webguest69> just wondered because i believe li-ion batteries get damaged if allowed to excessively discharge
12.48.12 #       <LinusN> does the original firmware turn off with "battery low" if you turn it on?
12.48.28 #       <webguest69> yea
12.48.37 #       <webguest69> it shows "battery low" then switches off
12.50.46 #       <LinusN> does it do that even when started via the rockbox boot loader?
12.52.44 #       <Chamois> yes
12.55.58 #       <thegeek_> yeah
12.56.01 #       <thegeek_> it does
12.56.08 #       <thegeek_> as long as the battery is not _too_ low
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12.59.48 #       <]RowaN[> nowhere seems to have stock of 30gig 5mm drives for my iriver  =[
13.02.22 #       <amiconn> LinusN: For the bass vs. volume, I think rockbox made the better choice... and even way earlier, on the player
13.02.59 #       <LinusN> amiconn: why do you think so?
13.04.13 #       <amiconn> Rockbox never sacrifices the desired treble/bass boost. If you crank up the volume, you'll notice it stops increasing
13.04.29 #       <amiconn> You might not notice the bass & treble decreasing from your desired settings
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13.07.08 #       <Febs> Amiconn, isn't that exactly why the iriver choice is better?
13.07.28 #       <Febs> If you don't notice the change, then you haven't really departed from your "desired settings."
13.09.10 #       <Febs> And because of the Fletcher-Munson effect, the bass boost is less necessary at higher volumes than at lower volumes anyway.
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13.14.45 #       <Febs> Thinking about this more, if you want the amount of bass *perceived* by the listener to remain constant as volume increases, you *have* to scale back the bass boost.  That's exactly what the Fletcher-Munson equal loudness curves represent.
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13.18.44 #       <Moos> niobos began the tagdb conversion
13.18.46 #       <Moos> :)
13.19.48 #       <amiconn> Febs: That would be a loudness function; something that isn't present in iriver rockbox yet (and also not for archos player)
13.20.17 #       <amiconn> So far only archos recorder and Ondio have it, because the MAS chip used there does support loudness directly
13.20.28 #       <markun> ]RowaN[: Do you live in Europe?
13.21.25 #       <Febs> Basically, yes, it is a loudness function.  But if your reason for limiting the volume instead of scaling bass as volume increases is because you want to keep the user's "desired" settings, the point still applies.
13.21.35 #       <amiconn> Febs: The problem with loudness on iriver is that it doesn't fit nicely with the treble/bass ranges possible in the UDA chip
13.22.12 #       <Febs> I guess the question is what do you mean when you say that you want to keep the user's "desired" settings.
13.22.22 #       <amiconn> Especially treble has a much too low range, and it isn't possible to do bass/treble attenuation
13.22.23 #       <markun> ]RowaN[: You might try alternate: http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productDetails.html?artno=ABDT06&
13.22.47 #       <amiconn> Febs: Basically I would like it to work as on archos recorder and Ondio
13.23.02 #       <Febs> Which unforunately I am not familiar with.
13.23.15 #       <amiconn> I.e. have a (configurable) loudness option, and allow treble & bass manipulation on top of that
13.23.23 #       <LinusN> amiconn: you mean without compensation?
13.23.41 #       <LinusN> the recorder allows clipping
13.24.00 #       <amiconn> It's probably necessary to do digital filtering on iriver to achieve this
13.24.34 #       <LinusN> my personal issue is that i want to crank the volume higher, and i don't mind the bass being decreased
13.24.37 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I never heard the recorder clipping, provided I stay below the true 0 dB limit (92% volume)
13.24.47 #       <]RowaN[> markun: yes im in London England
13.24.58 #       <LinusN> amiconn: that's the point
13.25.07 #       <]RowaN[> ahah, wonder if they have stock
13.25.22 #       <LinusN> the recorder allows setting a volume higher than the limit of potential clipping
13.25.30 #       <LinusN> but not the iriver
13.25.33 #       <amiconn> Yes, but that's because the MAS allows to set volume > 0 dB
13.25.37 #       <amiconn> The UDA does not
13.25.41 #       <markun> ]RowaN[: I'm colorblind so I can't check if it's in stock :)
13.26.09 #       <markun> ]RowaN[: Ah yes, within 24 hours it can be shipped
13.26.46 #       <markun> ]RowaN[: Did you sell your 20GB yet?
13.28.16 #       <Febs> amiconn, are the bass and treble boost on the UDA a "shelf" type EQ?
13.28.41 #       <amiconn> LinusN: There's another difference. The MAS3587/MAS3539 clipping happens in the analog domain if you set the volume too high.
13.28.59 #       <LinusN> amiconn: nope
13.28.59 #       <amiconn> The MAS3509 and UDA1380 clipping is digital; it sounds much more harsh
13.29.26 #       <]RowaN[> sell my 20gig? its fucked coz i dropped it  ='[
13.29.43 #       <amiconn> Febs: "shelf" type??
13.30.00 #       <markun> you can have mine, than I can buy a 30gb :)
13.30.06 #       <Febs> i.e., all frequencies above/below a certain frequency boosted equally.
13.30.29 #       <LinusN> maybe i have amnesia, but i thought the clipping when (max(bass,treble) + loudness + volume) > 0db was digital
13.31.14 #       <amiconn> LinusN: There must be some difference; when I set volume to 92% on archos recorder I can crank up bass quite a bit before it will start clipping slightly
13.32.02 #       <amiconn> On iriver, without prescaling, it's clipping like crazy if I set the volume to 100% == 0 dB and then push the bass only a little (4 dB)
13.33.02 #       <amiconn> 2 dB is still bearable because the music doesn't use the full range that often
13.33.45 #       <amiconn> Febs: I don't remember; you could check the datasheet
13.34.09 #       <Febs> Will do.  Not a big deal, just something I've been curious about.
13.34.58 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I could compare that to archos player with prescaling disabled
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13.51.20 #       <austriancoder> Zagor: are you here?
13.52.44 #       <Moos> pfffffffffffff London it will be a city for olympique plays of 2012 :(
13.52.49 #       <Zagor> austriancoder: yes
13.52.50 #       <Moos> Paris lose
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14.12.29 #       <ze> thats ok, by 2012 consciousness will reach its final stage of evolution and we'll cooperatively create reality at will
14.12.34 #       <ze> :p
14.12.54 #       <ze> ya know, either that or planet-X'll swing back by and cause another mass extinction
14.12.57 #       <ze> whatever.
14.14.28 #       <LinusN> ze: eeeh?
14.15.30 #       <ze> well ya know the mayans had some interesting calanders
14.15.50 #       <ze> and apparently an account of the last 14 billion years or so of the universe's history and evolution
14.15.59 #       <ze> and their calander ends in 2012
14.16.04 #       <ze> roughly
14.16.42 #       <ze> so supposedly everything'll be coming to some kind of pinnacle at that point
14.16.42 #       <ze> heh
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14.17.08 #       <B4gder> nooo, the world ended at y2k
14.18.17 #       <ze> y2k was just a round number in an arbitrary number base from an arbitrary epoch
14.18.29 #       <ze> the mayan calander's supposed to be based on fundamental cycles of existance
14.18.29 #       <ze> :p
14.18.44 #       <B4gder> oh yes, maya is much less arbitrary 
14.18.51 #       <B4gder> because...
14.18.53 #       <B4gder> eh
14.18.58 #       <B4gder> becuase they are older
14.19.13 #       <ze> no
14.19.20 #       <ze> because they supposedly figured out stuff we still haven't
14.19.20 #       <ze> :p
14.19.35 #       <B4gder> so said the y2k people
14.19.48 #       <ze> not really
14.19.48 #       <B4gder> and other end-of-the-worlders
14.19.49 #       <ze> heh
14.20.11 #       <B4gder> they all have something figured out that the rest of us haven't
14.20.29 #       <]RowaN[> the sooner this shit is over the better i say
14.20.36 #       <ze> personally i'm pretty impressed if an ancient civilization actually concieved of there being such a thing as 14 billion years in the past
14.20.48 #       <ze> thats more than you can say for the y2k people
14.20.55 #       <B4gder> I don't believe that ze
14.21.19 #       <ze> yeah i dunno anything for sure
14.21.22 #       <ze> its all just stuff i heard
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14.23.20 #       <]RowaN[> the end of the world isnt as bad as it sounds.. the media duplication company i work at earned a heap of money duplicating y2k bug testing cds  =]
14.23.30 #       <ze> heh
14.23.49 #       <ze> well according to the interpretation i saw of the mayan calander
14.23.58 #       <ze> the universe has been undergoing an accelerating evolution
14.24.08 #       <ze> which culminates in the highest possible state of consciousness around 2012
14.24.32 #       <]RowaN[> my morgage wont be paid off by 2012  =]
14.24.33 #       <]RowaN[> all hail the mayans, um-ba-chu, um-ba-cha
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14.26.15 #       <]RowaN[> bah when i send an email to a hotmail address, hotmail server responds by saying its "queued the message for delivery" ... 15mins later and its still not been delivered
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14.52.21 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Hmm? You changed the RLD description, and then changed it back?
14.53.23 #       <LinusN> damn browser cache
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14.58.54 #       <webguest14> in wps, how do i clear a line before scrolling the next line of data
15.00.16 #       <webguest14> %s%It;%s%Ia I would like to clear the track line before displaying the artist info
15.00.40 #       <B4gder> no can do
15.00.45 #       <B4gder> I think
15.00.51 #       <webguest14> pity,
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15.20.19 #       <]RowaN[> olympic games 2012 r gonna be held in london, whoopie
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15.56.50 #       * t0mas runs cvs update on his local copy... after more than a week...
15.56.51 #       <t0mas> :)
15.58.32 #       <B4gder> quite a lot of updates you will see
15.58.47 #       <B4gder> speak like yoda we will
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15.59.44 #       <t0mas> they do that some times :P
16.00.03 #       * LinusN spots a half-ready tag database creator in apps/
16.00.27 #       <Cassandra> In C, thanks be to &deity;
16.00.40 #       <t0mas> yes, what is that tag database thing?
16.00.49 #       <t0mas> is it like the one HCl's working on?
16.01.25 #       <LinusN> it creates a database in the same format
16.01.51 #       <t0mas> but then on target?
16.02.00 #       <LinusN> not yet
16.02.27 #       <t0mas> but it should do that in some time?
16.02.27 #       <LinusN> maybe one day
16.02.58 #       <B4gder> Niels is our man behind that
16.03.15 #       <B4gder> feel free to start improving
16.03.34 #       <B4gder> he said he'll be back to work on it in 3 week or so
16.03.44 #       <B4gder> weeks
16.03.52 #       <LinusN> our tag parsers should be moved to a separate library
16.04.05 #       <B4gder> yes
16.04.34 #       <B4gder> then this C version could be used both for host and target
16.04.41 #       <LinusN> yup
16.04.42 #       <B4gder> using the Rockbox tag parsers
16.05.31 #       <amiconn> *use the rockbox force*
16.08.49 #       <t0mas> hm..
16.08.51 #       <t0mas> this line:
16.08.52 #       <t0mas> %t4%?Fn<Next F: %Fn|%?Ia<Next A: %Ia>;%?It<Next T: %It>>;%t2%?bt<Battery: %bl  %bt>;%t2%?fc<Codec: %fc %fbkbps %ffKhz>
16.08.57 #       <t0mas> is that valid? :P
16.09.30 #       <B4gder> I noticed we only support 800 bytes WPS
16.09.37 #       <LinusN> t0mas: doesn't it work?
16.11.18 #       <t0mas> I don't know
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16.11.31 #       <t0mas> it doesn't look like it's going to work :)
16.11.32 #       <LinusN> t0mas: then why the question?
16.11.41 #       <t0mas> because I don't have my iriver here
16.11.53 #       <Febs> Speaking of WPS, I noticed an issue with today's bleeding edge build that I don't think was present on prior builds ...
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16.12.27 #       <Febs> New lines on the WPS overwrite the prior line without erasing the prior line.  At least in alternating sublines.
16.12.34 #       <LinusN> so you'd rather make us spend time evaluating your wps line, rather than test it yourself later?
16.12.58 #       <t0mas> no, I just hoped you could tell me it's wrong in 1 look
16.12.58 #       <LinusN> Febs: yes i know
16.13.20 #       <t0mas> it's my sisters line... and she's complaining that it doesn't do what she wants
16.13.23 #       <amiconn> Perhaps the alignment patch broke it...
16.13.30 #       <LinusN> amiconn: probably
16.13.38 #       <LinusN> but i haven't yet seen how
16.13.44 #       <Cassandra> *sighs*
16.13.51 #       <amiconn> Bad patch, that ;)
16.13.59 #       <Cassandra> I am never touching the WPS code again.
16.14.34 #       <amiconn> Note the ;)
16.15.11 #       <amiconn> However, I don't like your fix for the player. It parses alignment info, the discards it
16.15.58 #       <Cassandra> Feel free to fix it. ;)
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16.16.38 #       <Cassandra> I didn't think the alignment stuff was terribly useful for the player.
16.17.08 #       <Cassandra> And at that point, I was wanting to bugger off to bed.
16.17.39 #       <amiconn> It might be that it isn't useful, but then the info shouldn't be paresed either
16.18.04 #       <amiconn> Either parse and use, or don't even parse
16.20.06 #       * t0mas is still looking at his wps line
16.20.11 #       <t0mas> wondering what she wanted it todo...
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16.21.01 #       <amiconn> I think I know why this overwriting happens. It does happen only with non-scrolling lines, correct?
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16.22.58 #       <amiconn> Febs: Does it only happen if the new line is too short to need scrolling?
16.24.26 #       <deadlands> I've discovered a little quirk with the H1X0 mp3 codec, low bitrate files produce crackling on playback.
16.24.35 #       <Febs> Not sure how I could tell.  Lines long enough to need scrolling overwrite the old text anyway.  But, I guess the answer to your question is yes, I've noticed it on lines that do not need scrolling.
16.25.28 #       <amiconn> Then the case is clear. That happens if someone replaces one function with another without knowing the exact differences (lcd_puts_scroll() -> lcd_putsxy() in this case)
16.26.00 #       <amiconn> lcd_puts_scroll(), like lcd_puts(), clears the whole rest of the line, while lcd_putsxy() doesn't
16.26.18 #       <amiconn> ...since lcd_putsxy() has no line concept
16.26.23 #       <Febs> The problem also happens on lines with dynamic content, like the elapsed time display.  E.g., When 3:20 changes to 3:21, the right edge of the 0 remains visible.
16.26.39 #       <amiconn> ...and the positioning code uses lcd_putsxy() unless it needs to scroll
16.26.44 #       <t0mas> that's the putsxy() thing amiconn said
16.27.45 #       <t0mas> hm.. how do we clear a line?
16.27.50 #       <t0mas> write all spaces to it?
16.28.14 #       <amiconn> We could draw an inversevid rectangle across the line
16.28.25 #       <amiconn> Anyway, this wps aligment looks quite hackish to me
16.29.39 #       <t0mas> sssst, Cassandra starts feeling bad ;-)
16.31.16 #       <Cassandra> 'S OK.  Not *my* hack. ;)
16.33.19 #       <t0mas> ghehe
16.33.32 #       <t0mas> no, but we are the 2 persons who read it ;)
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16.52.13 #       <Cassandra> Hmm.  How far are we from getting voice UI on iRiver?
16.56.04 #       <B4gder> I guess we need someone to grab the issue and make it happen
16.56.25 #       <Cassandra> I really don't know enough about audio/buffering to be able to do it.
16.56.34 #       <amiconn> B4gder: I'd very much like your per-target localisation and voicing to happen soon
16.56.52 #       <B4gder> yes
16.57.43 #       <amiconn> It's a really nice idea, and it might save some space for the sake of the archos even though the code will prbably get a little larger
16.58.06 #       <amiconn> We're getting closer and closer to the final size barrier on fm/v2...
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17.15.42 #       <]RowaN[> 20gig iriver H320 is going for £179inc delivery on dixons.co.uk if anyone cares
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17.26.43 #       <bill20r3> nice
17.26.57 #       * bill20r3 waits for a port
17.35.28 #       <t0mas> ]RowaN[: tnx, I care :D
17.35.33 #       <t0mas> I want an H3xx
17.35.45 #       <crwl> h3xx's are big and ugly :P 
17.37.01 #       <bill20r3> like a brick
17.37.03 #       <bill20r3> I have a 340
17.40.29 #       <t0mas> I don't want it because it's looking good :P
17.40.39 #       <t0mas> I want it because my H120 starts to fall apart
17.40.48 #       <t0mas> and my sister wants to have the H120
17.40.57 #       <]RowaN[> h3xx dont have optical out, thats what i dont like about em
17.41.11 #       <crwl> i'd rather buy iAudio X5 if i couldn't find h120 anywhere, but it's probably quite expensive
17.42.40 #       <bill20r3> I'm likeing my 340
17.42.50 #       <bill20r3> I got a 120 remote for it, and flashed on the korean firmware
17.45.47 #       <Zagor> who is niobos?
17.45.53 #       <B4gder> Niels
17.46.00 #       <B4gder> tagdb in C author
17.46.10 #       <Zagor> tagdb what?
17.46.22 #       <B4gder> songdb
17.46.30 #       <Zagor> ah, creating the db?
17.46.36 #       <B4gder> yes
17.46.42 #       <B4gder> in pure C code
17.47.23 #       <Zagor> any reason that's not a plugin?
17.47.36 #       <B4gder> we want the code to work for both host and target
17.47.51 #       <B4gder> so it probably will become some sort of lib and then a plugin will use that
17.48.30 #       <B4gder> btw, it doesn't fully work yet afaiu
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17.51.23 #       <B4gder> it wasn't really easy to think of where in the source tree the code would go
17.51.40 #       <elinenbe> Zagor, B4gder: the tagdb commit will become a plugin on the target that creates a browsable id3lib?
17.52.00 #       <B4gder> once it works, yes
17.54.07 #       <Zagor> off-topic: that vote was effectively a draw: no side got their changes through
17.55.23 #       <elinenbe> B4gder: so, then it does the same thing as the perl/java apps in the wiki/cvs?
17.55.30 #       <B4gder> yes
17.55.31 #       <elinenbe> once it is working properly...
17.55.36 #       <elinenbe> oh -- great!
17.55.39 #       <t0mas> Zagor: they're going for another round?
17.55.47 #       <B4gder> of course it will probably be quite a lot slower
17.56.44 #       <t0mas> B4gder? do you mind reading a patch for me?
17.57.00 #       <B4gder> can't do it right now, am about to go home
17.57.02 #       <t0mas> I have the feeling I hacked at it to much... and last time you read some WPS stuff you had nice comments
17.57.13 #       <B4gder> but mail me and I
17.57.16 #       <t0mas> no problem, I'm not in a hurry
17.57.17 #       <B4gder> 'll look later
17.57.19 #       <t0mas> ok, thanks
17.57.44 #       <Zagor> t0mas: the commission has said they will not write a new proposal, so we're back to square one. (i.e. EPO can continue to issue illegal software patents)
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18.05.56 #       <t0mas> ok
18.06.04 #       <t0mas> :)
18.06.34 #       <t0mas> Conditional images for the WPS are working :)
18.06.49 #       <t0mas> now waiting for Daniel to read it... and tell me what should be done better... haha
18.07.39 #       <t0mas> anybody has comments for the new tags?
18.07.49 #       <t0mas> %xd = display, and %xl = load
18.07.59 #       <t0mas> (most of the code is written by kenshin)
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18.26.38 #       <t0mas> Slasheri?
18.26.49 #       <t0mas> is there some way to output a tone with the iriver audio system?
18.29.48 #       <HCl> mrf
18.30.05 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: Not yet but i think i could do a function to do that
18.30.19 #       <Slasheri> *implement
18.31.07 #       <t0mas> ok, and what if I have a few samples... is there some way to just drop them in the audio system?
18.31.48 #       <Slasheri> currently no, i have to design a low level architecture that can mix from several sources
18.32.58 #       <HCl> amiconn: sure.. sounds fine...
18.33.15 #       <Slasheri> i think i will do some redesign to the pcm playback system..
18.33.21 #       <t0mas> Slasheri: so there is no way to play some sound?
18.34.01 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: if you really want to try, you could use for example pcm_insert_buffer -function
18.34.17 #       <Slasheri> but don't use it when codec playback system is active
18.34.28 #       <markun> Slasheri: I'm working on replaygain, but don't know where to set the replaygain volume. Any ideas?
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18.34.36 #       <t0mas> hm... codec playback stops when I call audio_stop() right?
18.34.54 #       <Slasheri> markun: Hmm, maybe you could do that in dsp.c
18.35.03 #       <Slasheri> (software volume scaling)
18.35.11 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: yes
18.35.22 #       <markun> Slasheri: yes, could do that but now I'm just using the mixer.
18.35.57 #       <Slasheri> markun: ah, then you can still set the mixer values in dsp.co
18.36.00 #       <Slasheri> -o
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18.36.21 #       <Slasheri> just add DSP_SET_REPLAYGAIN or something like that settings
18.36.31 #       <markun> Slasheri: Won't it be too early?
18.36.39 #       <Slasheri> Hmm..
18.36.39 #       <t0mas> Slasheri?
18.36.41 #       <t0mas> pcm_insert_buffer(char *buf, long length)
18.36.49 #       <t0mas> that buf... that's 16bit pcm sample?
18.37.02 #       <Slasheri> markun: yes it would because pcm buffer has the latency..
18.37.22 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: yep, 16 interleaved stereo
18.37.27 #       <Slasheri> +bit
18.37.37 #       <t0mas> oh shit...
18.37.38 #       <markun> Slasheri: So is there something else that get's called when the track get's played? The wps switches at the right time..
18.37.40 #       <t0mas> I have some mono samples
18.38.01 #       <t0mas> markun: there is some event... HCl uses it for his runtimedb
18.38.12 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: Then you need to resample.. or use the dsp somehow
18.38.28 #       * t0mas just changes his data...
18.38.40 #       <t0mas> interleaved is normal PCM wave data right?
18.38.57 #       <Slasheri> markun: yes, audio_track_changed in playback.c
18.39.12 #       <Slasheri> just do a search "track_changed" and you will find it
18.39.38 #       <Slasheri> t0mas: yep
18.39.47 #       <Slasheri> raw pcm should be ok
18.40.22 #       <t0mas> as long as it's stereo :)
18.40.53 #       <t0mas> but I can just copy it like this right: 1 2 3 4 -> 1 2 1 2 3 4 3 4
18.41.00 #       <t0mas> if 1, 2, 3 and 4 are bytes?
18.41.12 #       <Gfreaky> is there a guide or something on the site on how to use the simulator?
18.41.18 #       <HCl> by the way, i had a crash with a build of this morning, was that known?
18.41.21 #       <bagawk> Should be
18.41.23 #       <Gfreaky> i wanna test some wps and i dont want to have to constantly reload it
18.41.27 #       <HCl> like, immediately on bootup
18.41.29 #       <Gfreaky> do you know where?
18.41.37 #       <t0mas> Gfreaky: simulator doesn't work with WPS atm
18.41.42 #       <Gfreaky> oh ok then
18.43.08 #       <bagawk> http://www.rockbox.org/docs/uisimulator.html         shows some keys at the obttom
18.43.29 #       <Gfreaky> i really must admit
18.43.37 #       <Gfreaky> i am not a programmer and have no past experience
18.43.41 #       <Gfreaky> but writing a wps is very easy
18.43.56 #       <Gfreaky> that's the point i guess :)
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18.49.38 #       <markun> Looks like replaygain is working :)
18.51.01 #       <Chamois> congrats
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18.56.44 #       <Gfreaky> how accurate is the estimated time left for battery?
18.58.24 #       <t0mas> not really accurate...
18.58.30 #       <t0mas> Slasheri changed it a bit last week
18.58.45 #       <t0mas> but I don't know if it got better...
18.58.57 #       <Zagor> it is quite accurate for archos devices. no idea about iriver.
19.02.00 #       <t0mas> for iriver it isn't really good... but it's getting better :)
19.03.55 #       <Gfreaky> for wps
19.04.08 #       <Gfreaky> is there a command to dynamically center text?
19.04.14 #       <t0mas> yes
19.04.18 #       <t0mas> in the latest cvs version
19.04.21 #       <t0mas> %ac
19.04.21 #       <bagawk> There is?
19.04.25 #       <Zagor> has anyone done a battery discharge curve for the iriver?
19.04.27 #       <t0mas> it's new
19.04.31 #       <bagawk> Wow       rockbox has changed to much
19.04.37 #       <Gfreaky> cool, that helps a lot :)
19.04.38 #       <t0mas> Zagor: yes, but it's depending on cpu speed
19.04.45 #       <Zagor> ah, quite so
19.04.54 #       <t0mas> Gfreaky, bagawk: it's not really working good
19.05.06 #       <amiconn> Zagor: Estimated runtime on my recorder v1 is totally off
19.05.15 #       <amiconn> (by a factor of 3 or so)
19.05.19 #       <markun> Zagor, t0mas: The curve looks more or less the same: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBattery
19.05.34 #       <Zagor> amiconn: really? it's very accurate on mine. at least to within an hour.
19.05.38 #       <t0mas> markun: check the times
19.05.54 #       <t0mas> markun: they differ a lot...
19.06.17 #       <amiconn> Zagor: It says >17 h when fully charged, but I only get ~5:30
19.06.21 #       <Zagor> the curve is the same, but the time changes a lot :-)
19.06.30 #       <amiconn> The cells are new, 2500 mAh Sanyo cells
19.06.54 #       <Zagor> wow, 5:30? i didn't get that little even with the original green ones!
19.07.14 #       <amiconn> I suspect the improved charging algorith cuts off too early for larger capacity cells
19.07.17 #       <markun> t0mas: Yes, but the curve looks the same, just scaled.
19.07.37 #       <t0mas> huh...
19.07.38 #       <t0mas> http://www.misticaudio.com/images/store_ads/H300_LCD.jpg
19.07.45 #       <t0mas> what is that rockbox cerified
19.07.46 #       <amiconn> Zagor: I got ~4:30 before with 2200 mAh cells (Ansmann brand), and suspected the cells...
19.07.55 #       <Zagor> i must admit i'm basing my judgement on pasts experience. i haven't followed the development very closely the last few months.
19.08.08 #       <HCl> t0mas: they've been out in korea for a while.. oh wait, that O.o;
19.08.19 #       <HCl> no idea. what *is* that rockbox certified
19.08.26 #       <Gfreaky> just ooc: is the estimated time generally on the good side or bad side?
19.08.38 #       <Gfreaky> ie if it says 7 do i have 6 or do i have 8?
19.08.52 #       <Zagor> HCl: there is no such thing as "rockbox certified"
19.08.59 #       <HCl> Zagor: yet they advertise with it.
19.09.21 #       <t0mas> indeed
19.09.21 #       <Zagor> i guess they mean "rockbox has figured out how to work with it, so it will probably work once they port to h300"
19.09.25 #       <t0mas> so that's why I askewd
19.09.27 #       <t0mas> *asked
19.09.29 #       <markun> I think Jeff is just excited about rockbox, that's all.
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19.09.50 #       <HCl> i wonder whether its any better than the h100 remote
19.10.03 #       <bill20r3> has a little D-pad, that'd be nice
19.10.55 #       <HCl> yea but i'm getting the feeling its just a remapping of the buttons
19.12.18 #       <bagawk> I forget, do floating poitn math (like sine/cosine) work on archoses?
19.12.34 #       <HCl> afaik we don't have any floating point math available
19.14.15 #       <HCl> well, only emulation, and you don't want that..
19.15.09 #       <HCl> scary how misticaudio advertises the h140 as rockbox ready when its still in full development..
19.15.24 #       <Zagor> well the h140 is ready ;-)
19.15.58 #       <markun> And for a lot of people at works just as good as the original firmware..
19.16.23 #       <HCl> heh.
19.16.27 #       <HCl> i need to try a latest build
19.16.29 #       <markun> So it's is as ready for rockbox as for the original
19.16.33 #       <HCl> i had plenty of crashes yesterday
19.16.45 #       <HCl> did linus find anything after the bugreport i gave?
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19.17.20 #       <HCl> i guess thats a no..
19.18.11 #       <amiconn> I had a crash some mins ago when I tried to play audio.
19.18.27 #       <HCl> i had several.. at the moment rockbox crashes when i try to boot it
19.18.31 #       <HCl> and that was a build of this morning
19.18.31 #       <markun> :(
19.18.38 #       <amiconn> My guess is this happened because I didn't update the codecs, but simply crashing isn't nice
19.18.40 #       <Slasheri> HCl: do make clean
19.18.47 #       <HCl> Slasheri: yea, i'll do that..
19.18.55 #       <amiconn> The codec api should be version-checked the same way as the plugin api
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19.20.08 #       <markun> Slasheri: replaygain works, but when I'm playing a song and switch to another song it takes about 1 second before the new volume is set.
19.20.41 #       <Slasheri> Hmm
19.20.48 #       <Lear> markun: what kind of replaygain? I was thinking of adding the same, you see... :)
19.21.20 #       <markun> Lear: howmany kinds are there?
19.21.32 #       <markun> It now just works for ogg
19.21.53 #       <Lear> markun: only one, but for different formats, and implemented in different ways...
19.22.08 #       <markun> If we add ape tag support for mp3 we can have replaygain there as well.
19.22.40 #       <Lear> markun: shouldn't require ape for that... mp3gain should write ID3V2 tags, IMHO.
19.23.31 #       <Lear> markun: and I was thinking of hacking Tremor to get "proper" replaygain as well. You can't really do it properly after clipping. ;)
19.23.34 #       <markun> Lear: mp3gain changes the mp3 itself. foobar2000 add ape tags and sets the gain there.
19.23.48 #       <markun> Lear: I was also thinking of that :)
19.24.16 #       <Lear> markun: mp3gain at least writes its undo info as ape tags, and I think you can tell it to only write tags and not modify the file.
19.24.32 #       <markun> But we should get the 24bit samples (sometimes 25) from Tremor and do the conversion to 16bit (or even 20) ourselves.
19.24.34 #       <Lear> But supporting ape as well for mp3 is okay.
19.25.09 #       <Lear> The internal format for Tremor is, AFAICT, fixed point with 9 fraction bits, which is easy to extract and process.
19.25.25 #       <Lear> Btw, how/where did you do the pow() calculation?
19.25.46 #       <markun> I didn't the mixer works with db.
19.26.17 #       <Lear> Huh?
19.26.32 #       <markun> Lear: I don't change the samples, just adjust the volume.
19.27.36 #       <Lear> I guessed that much when you said the volume was set too late. But I didn't know the mixer worked with dB...
19.28.07 #       <markun> Lear: about clipping, when the peak is bigger than the maximum we can do a >> 1 and add 6 db to the volume.
19.28.24 #       <Lear> So you parse the tag in metadata then, and just convert it to something the mixer groks?
19.29.05 #       <markun> Lear: Yes, I convert it to a value in tenth-of-db.
19.29.17 #       <markun> Shall I make you a patch?
19.31.10 #       <Lear> Nah, I don't really need it (yet, at least). But will you look at the "proper" implementation later? If so, not much point in me doing it too. :)
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19.35.41 #       <LinusN> hey folks
19.35.44 #       <bagawk> random question: Where did 127.0.0.1 and 192.168.x.x come from?
19.35.54 #       <bagawk> hey  Lear_away 
19.35.56 #       <bagawk> whoops
19.35.59 #       <bagawk> LinusN, 
19.36.03 #       <LinusN> :-)
19.36.12 #       <bill20r3> well
19.36.20 #       <Zagor> bagawk: you mean, why those specific numbers?
19.36.25 #       <bill20r3> 127.0.0.1 is squarely in the middle, 192 must have been arbitrary
19.36.28 #       <bagawk> Zagor, yes
19.36.32 #       <bill20r3> unless it's something interesting in octal
19.36.38 #       <bill20r3> or hex.
19.37.02 #       <amiconn> it is
19.37.33 #       <Zagor> note that 192.168 is not the only private net. 10.0 and 172.16 are too.
19.37.37 #       <bill20r3> can I get 1/2 a point?
19.38.35 #       <amiconn> 10.0.0.0/8, 172.16.0.0/12 and 192.168.0.0/16 are all private
19.39.12 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: why is the tag info so late in the wps?
19.39.51 #       <bagawk> interesting
19.41.43 #       <t0mas> hm...
19.41.48 #       <HCl> 192=128+64
19.41.55 #       * t0mas is using 10.x.0.y/24
19.42.31 #       <t0mas> x = network number
19.42.50 #       <markun> Slasheri: Sometimes after I switch songs I hear about 2 seconds of the new song, than a very short blib of the old song and then the new song continues..
19.42.59 #       <LinusN> me too
19.43.19 #       <amiconn> t0mas: Nothing wrong with that, you just subnetted the (only) private class a network
19.44.11 #       <Slasheri> markun: Hmm, i think that is a bug when crossfade is disabled
19.44.12 #       * HCl goes to check whether his crash has disappeared
19.44.22 #       <HCl> LinusN: any idea about that crash earlier today?
19.44.27 #       <LinusN> nope
19.44.31 #       <HCl> hrm.
19.44.36 #       <HCl> i'll make clean and try again..
19.44.47 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: probably that late tag info update is also due to the disabled crossfade
19.44.56 #       <LinusN> amiconn, Bagder : is this something we want? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1179046
19.44.58 #       <Slasheri> it will be fixed
19.45.09 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: great
19.46.06 #       * LinusN is working on the a-b repeat patch
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19.46.45 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: btw, i am just trying to remove the sleeps from pcm_playback.c. I think the problem is with pcm buffering so the sleeps are not necessary when i find the bug.
19.46.50 #       <markun> Slasheri: and it would probably also fix the late replaygain
19.47.01 #       <Slasheri> markun: yes it should :)
19.49.36 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I'm not sure. I didn't use triggered recording for real a single time
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19.50.16 #       <amiconn> A propos recording: I have the suspicion that the recording glitches some people still observe(d) have to do with rombox vs. normal rockbox
19.50.51 #       <amiconn> That can't be tested now, as rockbox grew too large for rombox even on the v1...
19.51.29 #       <t0mas> any swedish people here?
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19.54.26 #       <ghode|afk> LinusN: the a-b repeat patch is it this one? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=796188
19.55.11 #       <bagawk> ghode|afk, that is a old one
19.55.30 #       <ghode|afk> i know
19.55.45 #       <rjamorim> Excuse me...
19.55.46 #       <bagawk> ghode|afk, http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1105616&group_id=44306&atid=439120
19.55.46 #       <rjamorim> Have you guys ever seen this?
19.55.48 #       <rjamorim> http://www.rarewares.org/rja/screen1.png
19.55.48 #       <rjamorim> http://www.rarewares.org/rja/screen2.png
19.56.18 #       <bagawk> rjamorim, loks like corruption
19.56.32 #       <t0mas> rjamorim: have you unplugged the iriver without unmounting it?
19.56.39 #       <bagawk> rjamorim, scandisk might fix it
19.56.42 #       <HCl> how do i skip to the previous track...?
19.56.50 #       <t0mas> HCl: rwd 2 times
19.57.02 #       <rjamorim> t0mas: not that I remember
19.57.06 #       <rjamorim> Formatting fixed it
19.57.18 #       <rjamorim> I was just wondering what could have cause it
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19.57.50 #       <ghode|afk> thanks bagawk]
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19.59.06 #       <HCl> t0mas, it wasn't working..
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19.59.33 #       <bagawk> Good bye
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20.01.29 #       <HCl> at least i haven't had a crash since i did make clean
20.01.34 #       * HCl goes to rate his songs..
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20.03.05 #       <HCl> runtimedb works much better now that the wps loads info faster
20.06.30 #       <HCl> has anyone noticed how next song id3 info doesn't work for songs without a tag?
20.06.37 #       <HCl> when it should fall back to filename
20.06.53 #       <Lear_away> If you have the right WPS, yes...
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20.07.07 #       <HCl> what do you mean?
20.07.35 #       <Lear> Something like this: %?It<%?In<%In - >%It|%Fn>
20.07.57 #       <Lear> That is, track number and title if available, filename otherwise.
20.07.57 #       <HCl> hm right.....
20.08.03 #       <HCl> so its a glitch in the wps i use
20.08.11 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Imho we should change the default date for the FAT32 driver from being fixed at 2003-08-01 to the build date.
20.08.25 #       <HCl> i second that
20.08.30 #       <amiconn> ...for units without rtc of course
20.10.11 #       <LinusN> amiconn: sure, why not?
20.10.36 #       <Cassandra> Woohoo!  EU throws out software patent law.
20.10.42 #       <HCl> oi.
20.10.43 #       <HCl> crash.
20.10.50 #       <HCl> while setting my song rating
20.10.54 #       <HCl> x.x
20.11.16 #       * HCl wonders why he gets all the crashes o.o
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20.14.06 #       * HCl stares at rockbox.
20.14.18 #       <HCl> its not displaying anything for this song... no title, no artist, no album...
20.14.30 #       <HCl> i know its hair - let the sunshine in..
20.14.58 #       <Cassandra> Just lucky I guess, HCl.
20.15.06 #       <HCl> heh
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20.16.42 #       <t0mas> shouldn't we add some shutdown battery level?
20.16.55 #       <t0mas> (just before the disk is unable to spinup... for example)
20.17.27 #       <HCl> okay
20.17.28 #       <HCl> well
20.17.40 #       <HCl> i don't know about you people
20.17.45 #       <HCl> but rockbox is really unstable here
20.18.04 #       <HCl> hm, well, it recovered this time..
20.18.20 #       * HCl is mostly skipping songs really quickly, setting rating, then skipping
20.18.21 #       <LinusN> HCl: you are the only one reporting those errors
20.18.35 #       <LinusN> ok, i'll try that
20.19.02 #       <t0mas> hm?
20.19.06 #       <t0mas> he isn't the only one...
20.19.11 #       <HCl> just did it again...
20.19.14 #       <t0mas> someone else reported unstable cvs builds last night
20.19.15 #       <HCl> it just... doesn't skip
20.19.17 #       <HCl> and playback stops
20.19.26 #       <HCl> it hasn't crashed though
20.19.38 #       <HCl> but it looks as if the codec thread crashed
20.19.51 #       <HCl> playback is just frozen at 21 seconds, and its not paused
20.20.20 #       <HCl> when i press stop and then play again it works again
20.21.18 #       <Slasheri> HCl: Hmm, do you know how to reproduce that bug? (i have also found it but haven't have time yet to look it)
20.21.28 #       <Slasheri> *had
20.21.43 #       <LinusN> HCl: does it matter if you rate it or not?
20.21.52 #       <HCl> LinusN: i dunno
20.21.59 #       <LinusN> find out
20.22.09 #       <HCl> Slasheri: what i've been doing is just rating a song, skipping to the next one, rating it, skipping, etc.
20.22.15 #       <HCl> okay
20.22.49 #       <HCl> wow
20.22.50 #       <HCl> not smooth
20.23.06 #       <HCl> when skipping repeatedly it kept playing the first second of a song over and over for a long time
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20.24.31 #       <HCl> well
20.24.36 #       <HCl> doesn't seem to happen if i don't rate them
20.24.44 #       <HCl> i've been skipping forward for a while now without getting the bug
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20.28.01 #       <LinusN> so it might be the database rating that is the problem
20.28.09 #       <HCl> i doubt it
20.28.21 #       <HCl> i'd say its the few seconds that you allow each song to play
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20.29.59 #       <Cassandra> Try it without db rating to be sure?
20.33.53 #       <HCl> there it goes again..
20.34.07 #       <HCl> kay, i'll let each song play for about 8 seconds then skip it
20.34.44 #       <t0mas> have you enabled crossfading?
20.34.46 #       <HCl> i really need to rate my songs though :/
20.34.47 #       <HCl> yes
20.35.02 #       <t0mas> maybe that doesn't like quick skipping
20.35.18 #       <LinusN> HCl: is move-to-next-folder enabled?
20.35.28 #       <HCl> um, no idea
20.35.39 #       <HCl> probably set to the default setting
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20.38.31 #       <HCl> maybe it has to do with the wps context menu
20.38.35 #       <t0mas> export PATH=/usr/local/m68k/bin/:$PATH && make && make zip
20.38.37 #       <t0mas> woops
20.38.41 #       <t0mas> wrong window :)
20.38.46 #       <HCl> the set rating code really doesn't do anything critical / anything that can crash
20.39.46 #       <HCl> oh, there it goes again
20.40.10 #       <HCl> Slasheri: well, to reproduce it, i recommend just putting the song rating in your wps and to start rating your songs, and it'll happen sooner or later
20.41.29 #       <HCl> also, when skipping i just had a song start at 0:04, not 0:00
20.41.41 #       <HCl> but that might be due to the crossfade that was probably so soft that i didn't hear it
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20.42.44 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: is audio_current_track() guaranteed to return a valid pointer?
20.43.29 #       <LinusN> no it doesn't
20.43.35 #       <HCl> ah.
20.43.37 #       <HCl> thats it then
20.43.38 #       <LinusN> HCl: you should check for a NULL pointer
20.43.43 #       <HCl> yea
20.43.50 #       <Slasheri> yep, it might return a NULL pointer
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20.44.06 #       <LinusN> 20.38.46 #       <HCl> the set rating code really doesn't do anything critical / anything that can crash
20.44.13 #       <LinusN> ;-)
20.44.25 #       <Slasheri> hehe :)
20.44.42 #       <HCl> well i relied on it returning a valid pointer
20.45.07 #       <t0mas> ghehe
20.45.08 #       <t0mas> amiconn?
20.45.17 #       <t0mas> that centered lines things...
20.45.27 #       <t0mas> do you think anybody cares if I try to fix it?
20.45.40 #       <t0mas> (the way you said... clearing the full line)
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20.49.23 #       <Cassandra> I think people would be delighted if you fixed it.
20.49.30 #       <LinusN> t0mas: go go go!
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20.49.47 #       <Cassandra> What things are we waiting for before freeze, still, btw?
20.50.12 #       <LinusN> a-b, perhaps
20.50.24 #       <HCl> i still don't think thats causing it though
20.50.39 #       <Chamois> Cassandra: fm radio from austriancoder
20.50.50 #       <LinusN> Chamois: that't iriver stuff
20.51.07 #       <LinusN> the freeze is only for archos
20.51.30 #       <LinusN> the 2.5 release will not be for the iriver
20.51.59 #       <Coldtoast> think there'll be an iriver release this year?
20.52.10 #       <Coldtoast> or is that the sort ofthing you just can't predict
20.52.11 #       <Coldtoast> ?
20.52.12 #       <LinusN> i definitely think so
20.52.16 #       <Coldtoast> ok
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20.52.25 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, i really can't find what causes the glitch/pop when playing the first mp3 file. Playing ogg file first doesn't cause any problems and mp3s after that are also fine :/
20.53.12 #       <Coldtoast> I was listening to an MP3 today and when I adjusted the volume, I coule hear faint ticking as it got louder
20.53.33 #       <Coldtoast> need to check tho. It was on some stuff I usually don't listen to. Never noticed it before
20.54.16 #       <t0mas> Coldtoast: It wasn't 44.1 khz was it?
20.54.32 #       <Coldtoast> I'll check right now actually
20.54.42 #       <t0mas> as I've heard some things too... and some other people reported it for 22 khz
20.54.43 #       <Coldtoast> was only with adjustign the volume
20.55.43 #       <Coldtoast> I get constant tickign thru 22KHz mono tho
20.55.58 #       <t0mas> yes
20.56.06 #       <Coldtoast> that's the resampling?
20.56.12 #       <Cassandra> Is someone looking at A-B?  I had a brief poke, but it messes with keymappings in a non-good way.
20.56.20 #       <HCl> linus is looking at it
20.56.38 #       <Coldtoast> yeah. was 44KHz t0mas
20.57.06 #       <LinusN> Cassandra: yes, it conflicts somewhat with the pitch screen
20.57.13 #       <Coldtoast> hmmm. but the stuff I usually listen to is also 44KHz
20.57.16 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
20.57.17 #       <Coldtoast> just looking now
20.57.41 #       <LinusN> Cassandra: i don't have a really good idea how to do it good
20.58.58 #       <t0mas> wtf...
20.59.05 #       <t0mas> I've fixed the centered overwriting bug...
20.59.11 #       <t0mas> but only for the first few seconds
20.59.12 #       <t0mas> haha
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20.59.51 #       <Cassandra> Linus: I didn't either.  I suspect that's why this patch has been sitting around for so long.
21.00.04 #       <LinusN> it has other issues as well
21.00.23 #       <Cassandra> I did think of one possibility.  Turning on A-B repeat disables pitch change.  Turning it off re-enables it.
21.00.28 #       <Cassandra> Not sure I like that though.
21.00.38 #       <LinusN> was about to suggest that too :-)
21.00.57 #       <Cassandra> Why don't we throw the issues back at the submitter.
21.01.12 #       <t0mas> bug...
21.01.34 #       <t0mas> olddrawmode = lcd_get_drawmode();
21.01.34 #       <t0mas> lcd_fillrect(0, ypos, LCD_WIDTH, strh);
21.01.34 #       <t0mas> lcd_set_drawmode(olddrawmode);
21.01.37 #       <LinusN> Cassandra: we did
21.01.50 #       <t0mas> then it inverts the whole screen
21.02.04 #       <t0mas> (olddrawmode is an int)
21.02.27 #       <Cassandra> And he didn't reply?  Then it's his own fault if it doesn't make it into 2.5.
21.02.34 #       <LinusN> Cassandra: in irc
21.02.34 #       <HCl> Slasheri: do i get track unbuffered events when skipping? i'm getting the impression i'm losing a lot of data while i've been setting ratings..
21.02.43 #       <t0mas> and it doesn't do that when you add "lcd_set_drawmode(STYLE_INVERT);" after the lcd_get_drawmode();
21.02.52 #       <t0mas> anybody has an idea why that's happening?
21.02.59 #       <LinusN> Cassandra: then he updated it with the current solution
21.03.14 #       <Cassandra> Ah.
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21.04.11 #       <Cassandra> I really don't like the current solution.
21.04.12 #       <Slasheri> HCl: you should get the events, please use logf to verify
21.04.17 #       <t0mas> LinusN? have you got a moment to look at lcd-h100.c line 273?
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21.04.37 #       <HCl> Slasheri: i have... i don't seem to get any rundb writes..
21.04.44 #       <LinusN> t0mas: yes?
21.04.47 #       <Cassandra> Personally I'd never use either feature though.
21.04.53 #       <t0mas> see my bug above...
21.04.57 #       <HCl> it does load them though
21.05.02 #       <t0mas> olddrawmode = lcd_get_drawmode();
21.05.02 #       <t0mas> lcd_set_drawmode(olddrawmode);
21.05.05 #       <HCl> but it doesn't seem to write them
21.05.07 #       <t0mas> that makes a mess of my screen
21.05.13 #       <t0mas> (and olddrawmode is an int)
21.05.34 #       <LinusN> i don't see anything wrong on line 273
21.05.42 #       <HCl> i'm too tired to look at it tonight, i'll investigate properly tomorrow
21.06.01 #       <t0mas> LinusN: no, down from there
21.06.08 #       <t0mas> drawmode = mode & (DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSEVID);
21.06.22 #       <t0mas> and the other one: return drawmode
21.06.38 #       <LinusN> yes, he makes sure that the drawmode only contains valid bits
21.06.41 #       <t0mas> it fucks up when I get that mode... and then set it again
21.07.42 #       <t0mas> but there are 5 drawmodes...
21.07.49 #       <t0mas> how can it check with only 2?
21.08.31 #       <LinusN> 0,1,2,3,4 fits nicely in 3 bits
21.08.54 #       <t0mas> ok, but still...
21.08.59 #       <LinusN> bit 0-1 are the mode, bit 3 is the inverse modifier
21.09.05 #       <t0mas> it gets messy if I get the draw mode... paint something... then set it
21.09.10 #       <LinusN> solid|inverse == 7
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21.10.43 #       <t0mas> but...
21.10.52 #       <t0mas> then why is my screen partly inversed after this:
21.10.52 #       <t0mas> olddrawmode = lcd_get_drawmode();
21.10.52 #       <t0mas> lcd_fillrect(0, ypos, LCD_WIDTH, strh);
21.10.52 DBUG    Enqueued KICK t0mas
21.10.52 #       <t0mas> lcd_set_drawmode(olddrawmode);
21.11.17 #       <t0mas> (there was a lcd_set_drawmode(DRMODE_INVERSEVID); statement in betwee, but I removed it for testing)
21.11.21 #       <LinusN> how come you don't set the drawmode?
21.11.36 #       <amiconn> t0mas: There are *8* drawmodes
21.11.37 #       <t0mas> it was there... but I removed it for testing
21.11.42 #       <LinusN> drawmode is SOLID by default, so the fillrect will be solid
21.11.47 #       <amiconn> It's mentioned in lcd.h
21.11.59 #       <t0mas> amiconn:
21.12.00 #       <t0mas> #define DRMODE_COMPLEMENT 0
21.12.00 #       <t0mas> #define DRMODE_BG         1
21.12.00 #       <t0mas> #define DRMODE_FG         2
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21.12.00 #       <t0mas> #define DRMODE_SOLID      3
21.12.02 #       <t0mas> #define DRMODE_INVERSEVID 4 /* used as bit modifier for basic modes */
21.12.09 #       <LinusN> t0mas: "bit modifier"
21.12.12 #       <amiconn> DRMODE_INVERSEVID is a modifier that can be ORed to the other modes
21.12.19 #       <t0mas> ah ok
21.12.28 #       <t0mas> so I should OR the inversed to the old mode?
21.12.30 #       <amiconn> The table in the wiki describes what each mode does
21.12.32 #       <t0mas> and then set back the old one
21.12.36 #       <LinusN> t0mas: no
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21.12.46 #       <LinusN> getmode, setmode, draw, setmode
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21.13.13 #       <LinusN> if you want to clear it, you need to set the mode fo FG
21.13.17 #       <LinusN> sorry, BG
21.13.17 #       <amiconn> The STYLE_INVERT is a completely different, much older thing that doesn't have to do with the new gfx core
21.13.28 #       <amiconn> No
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21.14.05 #       <LinusN> solid|inverse?
21.14.18 #       <t0mas> :|
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21.14.23 #       * t0mas doesn't understand anymore
21.14.40 #       <amiconn> If you want to clear a rectangle, the drawmode must be set to DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSEVID (or DRMODE_BG|DRMODE_INVERSEVID)
21.14.41 #       <t0mas> amiconn: how should I clear a rectacle?
21.14.52 #       <t0mas> ok
21.15.06 #       <amiconn> There's some quite logical concept behind the drawmodes
21.15.07 #       <LinusN> DRMODE_BG|DRMODE_INVERSEVID?
21.15.10 #       <t0mas> and then just set back to the old drawmode?
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21.15.30 #       * LinusN is confused too
21.15.52 #       <amiconn> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GraphicsAPI#Concepts
21.15.52 #       * t0mas just does wat amiconn said ;)
21.15.58 #       <LinusN> i would accept DRMODE_FG|DRMODE_INVERSEVID
21.16.13 #       <amiconn> No
21.16.31 #       <t0mas> ah thans amiconn 
21.16.47 #       <t0mas> LinusN: FG + INVERSED = nothing
21.16.53 #       <amiconn> First, the FG and BG is bound to the source element. Note that I distinguish 2 types of elements:
21.17.00 #       <LinusN> hmm, i see now
21.17.25 #       <amiconn> (1) Elements which are foreground only, like lines, (filled) rectangles etc
21.17.45 #       <amiconn> (2) Monochrome bitmaps have both foreground and background
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21.18.27 #       <amiconn> DRMODE_INVERSEVID just logically swaps foreground and background _of the source_, so elements of type 1 then consist of background only
21.19.15 #       <amiconn> Doing it this way is the only way to make DRMODE_COMPLEMENT|DRMODE_INVERSEVID doing something useful for bitmaps
21.19.45 #       <amiconn> Then the other 3 modes (FG, BG and SOLID) are logical as well
21.19.59 #       <amiconn> SOLID is just the bit combination of FG and BG
21.20.18 #       <amiconn> Only COMPLEMENT is a special reuse of the otherwise do-nothing case
21.20.28 #       <Lear> Any math wizards here?
21.20.56 #       * LinusN looks away
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21.21.48 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: u there?
21.22.01 ***     Alert Mode OFF
21.22.21 #       <amiconn> t0mas: Since the wps display functions are only called from the GUI thread, you don't need to save the old mode
21.22.32 #       <amiconn> YOu can safely assume the old mode is DRMODE_SOLID
21.22.47 #       <amiconn> Reset it to the same before returning
21.23.09 #       <t0mas> amiconn: but what if I do lcd_set_drawmode(DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSEVID);
21.23.11 #       <amiconn> This is documented in the wiki as well, below the drawmode table
21.23.14 #       <t0mas> and after that write some text?
21.23.53 #       <amiconn> set DRMODE_SOLID|DRMODE_INVERSEVID, then your clearing fillrect(), then set DRMODE_SOLID, then draw your text
21.23.54 #       <t0mas> then I should reset it to the old mode right?
21.24.00 #       <t0mas> ok
21.24.22 #       <amiconn> I have done this in numerous other places you can use for reference
21.25.33 #       <t0mas> yes, I've found one
21.25.43 #       <t0mas> grep is a wonderfull tool ;)
21.26.06 #       <LinusN> cool, VeryGoodSite is the #6 top wiki contributor this month :-)
21.26.18 #       <amiconn> Note that the handling has to be different when the code might be called from other threads, or from an interrupt (beware!)
21.26.37 #       <amiconn> The scroll thread is one such example
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21.29.30 #       <t0mas> hm... Cassandra? have you looked at this one: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1193449 ?
21.33.04 #       <Cassandra> t0mas: I have now.  Doesn't seem terribly popular.
21.33.44 #       <amiconn> Er, I was just looking at my iriver. It is playing music for some time now
21.33.57 #       <t0mas> :D
21.34.01 #       <t0mas> the overwriting bug is fixed
21.34.11 #       <amiconn> While it is still playing, the wps is frozen at track 6, time 0:00, and the backlight is on ....
21.34.27 #       <t0mas> I've heard that before
21.34.30 #       <t0mas> HCl?
21.35.07 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: yes :)
21.35.09 #       <Gfreaky> this is really weird
21.35.21 #       <Gfreaky> it says my player has 18.9 GB
21.35.26 #       <Gfreaky> and all the stuff on it = 14.5 GB
21.35.35 #       <Gfreaky> yet it says i only have 11 megs of free space
21.37.04 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: i just wanted to know why the audio_next/prev/pause/resume functions are executed in the calling thread and not in the audio thread?
21.37.17 #       <LinusN> i am about to move them
21.37.22 #       <amiconn> More strangeness: At the start of track 9, the wps decided to un-freeze itself ????
21.37.23 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: ah, there is no reason for that
21.37.27 #       <Slasheri> good :)
21.37.30 #       <LinusN> well, i have already, but not commited
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21.37.50 #       <Slasheri> i think it's safe to commit that change
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21.38.03 #       <LinusN> that makes the car adapter mode work again
21.38.10 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: Any idea what might cause this weird behaviour
21.38.18 #       <amiconn> ?
21.38.19 #       <Gfreaky> any ideas whats up?
21.38.40 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: Hmm, no ideas yet :/
21.38.45 #       <LinusN> and i think that's the way to go on most cases, since it prevents weird thread races
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21.39.01 #       <Slasheri> ah, that's good then :)
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21.45.36 #       <amiconn> Hmm, since nobody objected against lcd_mono_bitmap() / lcd_mono_bitmap_part(), I'll do that transition now.
21.45.45 #       <amiconn> Expect a huge commit soon :)
21.46.48 #       <Slasheri> i will also commit some pcm buffering fixes soon if i manage to find one bug :)
21.47.12 #       <amiconn> Hopefully nothing using (or in the near of) lcd_bitmap() calls...
21.47.26 #       <Slasheri> i don't think so :)
21.48.04 #       <amiconn> Just found another issue with current track info:
21.48.37 #       <amiconn> If you enabled 'follow playlist' you should end up at the currently playing track when switching to the browser.
21.48.56 #       <amiconn> Same goes at the end of a playlist, where the browser should stay at the last played file
21.49.09 #       <amiconn> However, it ended up at the second last file...
21.49.23 #       <Slasheri> hmm.. it doesn't follow the playlist correctly?
21.49.41 #       <amiconn> It seems that it does while playing, but not at the very end
21.49.55 #       <Slasheri> ah, thanks
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21.50.03 #       <amiconn> Hmm, some testing may be due
21.50.18 #       <amiconn> I hope to be able to do that after my commit
21.53.06 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: could you explain the concept with the track change handling in the playback code?
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21.56.42 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, there are three cases when track change could happen: user requests it, codec requests a new track or codec switch will happen. If track is changed by user and buffer is not filling, we will set ci.reload_codec = true that will cause the codec to request a new track. This will happen in function codec_request_next_track_callback. It handles the situations that the next track is already buffered (track change on fly), unbuffered (load from disk) or new ...
21.56.48 #       <Slasheri> ... codec when codec switch will be initiated
21.56.51 #       <Slasheri> err..
21.56.59 #       <Slasheri> irssi pasted that twice?
21.58.51 #       <t0mas> no
21.59.13 #       <LinusN> Slasheri: and the track change event?
21.59.22 #       <Slasheri> LinusN: and when track really changed on audio output, pcm buffering system will send an event to the playback code
21.59.37 #       <LinusN> via a callback?
21.59.49 #       <LinusN> that sends a msg to the audio thread?
21.59.50 #       <Slasheri> that event is added to the pcm data stream when playback system advances to the next track
21.59.54 #       <Slasheri> yep, it's callback
22.00.17 #       <Slasheri> there is codec_track_changed in playback.c
22.00.26 #       <Slasheri> that is the callback function pcm buffering will call
22.00.31 #       <LinusN> do you think we can use the same technique for A-B marker events?
22.01.12 #       <Slasheri> Hmm, should be possible because we use  audiobuffer_add_event(fptr) to add the callback to the pcm stream
22.01.23 #       <Slasheri> so we could add any callback there
22.03.49 #       * LinusN is in a-b patch mode
22.03.56 #       <Slasheri> :)
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22.06.29 #       <amiconn> How do you add a callback to a data stream?? :puzzled:
22.07.19 #       <LinusN> each pcm chunk struct has a callback pointer
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22.08.17 #       <amiconn> Ah
22.08.41 #       <amiconn> What happens if I call  audiobuffer_add_event(fptr) twice while playing the same chunk?
22.09.08 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: only the last callback will be added
22.09.22 #       <amiconn> Ah, so the pointer is replaced
22.09.27 #       <Slasheri> yep
22.09.40 #       <Lear> Annoying. I have a fixed-point exp10 now, but the precision isn't quite what I expected. Is it a bug? :/
22.09.47 #       <amiconn> ...and possibly a callback isn't executed that shhould be
22.10.02 #       <Gfreaky> hmmmm
22.10.15 #       <amiconn> We should at least keep that in mind
22.10.26 #       <Gfreaky> anyone know why my player says only 11 megs are left when it says it has 18.9gb and all the files only take up 14.5?
22.10.27 #       <amiconn> It may be that the runtime db doesn't like that
22.10.27 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: we can make a workaround to this if we really have any risk replacing existing pointers
22.11.00 #       <LinusN> Gfreaky: trashcan?
22.11.07 #       <Gfreaky> trashcan?
22.11.19 #       <Lear> gfreaky: or bad FAT tables. See if scandisk or somesuch complains...
22.11.20 #       <LinusN> called "Recycled" in windows
22.11.31 #       <Gfreaky> what about it i mean?
22.11.36 #       <Gfreaky> just finished running scandisc and no complaints
22.11.46 #       <Lear> could be stuff in there that takes space.
22.12.12 #       <Gfreaky> ahhhh
22.12.25 #       <amiconn> RECYCLER or the beloved 'System volume information'
22.12.35 #       <Gfreaky> ok that frees up some
22.12.48 #       <Gfreaky> what about "system restore: obsolete data stores"?
22.12.50 #       <Gfreaky> do i need that?
22.12.51 #       <t0mas> damn...
22.12.55 #       <t0mas> linux and rebooting
22.13.02 #       <t0mas> it is needed...
22.13.09 #       <t0mas> hanging hald process in the do_ide state
22.13.16 #       <t0mas> and no way to kill it
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22.14.16 #       <Lear> shouldn't be system restore info there, I think...
22.15.10 #       <Gfreaky> well there isnt any more lol
22.15.21 #       <Lear> t0mas: been there, done that... :) (or at least something similar; don't know exactly where it was, but it was disk related)
22.15.33 #       <t0mas> Lear: it's my iriver here :(
22.15.51 #       <t0mas> after mounting it > 10 times it just hangs hald... and won't hotplag anything after that
22.16.23 #       <Lear> Now I remember; it was when trying to manipulate files on a possibly flaky CF card in an USB card reader. :)
22.25.16 #       <t0mas> amiconn?
22.25.20 #       <t0mas> see the mailinglist
22.25.29 #       <t0mas> someone with and issue you told me about last week
22.25.36 #       <t0mas> the > 16 tracks problem on archos
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22.30.26 #       <LinusN> t0mas: the "norwegian language course" bug
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22.31.05 #       <Bagder> norwegian language courses are dreadful ;-)
22.31.16 #       <t0mas> huh?
22.32.03 #       <Bagder> having more than 16 tracks that fit in memory at once
22.32.14 #       <t0mas> oooh
22.32.15 #       <t0mas> haha
22.32.18 #       <LinusN> t0mas: the bug submitter was listening to a language course with short norwegian phrases, each in one mp3 file
22.32.46 #       <t0mas> ghehe
22.33.02 #       <t0mas> is there a fast way to generate an I04 somewhere?
22.33.12 #       <LinusN> huh?
22.33.23 #       <LinusN> to test the new panic?
22.33.26 #       <t0mas> yes
22.33.36 #       <LinusN> jmp 0
22.33.56 #       <t0mas> asm("jmp 0");
22.34.01 #       <t0mas> like that in C?
22.34.10 #       <amiconn> Isn't I04 IllInstr?
22.34.17 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yes
22.34.18 #       <t0mas> yes it is
22.34.34 #       <amiconn> You colud the use the special opcode assigned to that
22.34.35 #       <LinusN> plenty of illegal instructions in the vector table
22.34.46 #       <LinusN> amiconn: ah, yes
22.34.49 #       <amiconn> asm("illegal");
22.34.58 #       <amiconn> (no joking)
22.35.00 #       <t0mas> that would be a good test :)
22.35.18 #       <Febs> I've started work on updating the FAQs to reflect recent developments.  (Linus, thanks for the suggestion on MR that this would be better done on the wiki that at MR.)
22.35.43 #       <Febs> One thing that became clear to me immediately is that the "General" FAQ page actually contains many FAQs specific to the Archos hardware.
22.35.55 #       <LinusN> yes
22.36.07 #       * LinusN has a nice idea about that
22.36.31 #       <Febs> Unless anyone objects, I plan to move those to a page specific to Archos.  I think this makes sense and is consistent with the fact that there is a separate FAQ page for iriver.
22.36.52 #       <LinusN> do so
22.37.34 #       <Febs> It also occurred to me that it would be easier for people to find the FAQ pages if there were a link directly to them on the navigation bar on the left side of the Rockbox home page.
22.37.51 #       <LinusN> Febs: that applies to almost every page
22.38.32 #       <Bagder> the faqs are in the top of the docs page
22.38.32 #       <LinusN> - mom, i cleaned my room
22.38.41 #       <LinusN> - good, how did you do?
22.38.44 #       <Febs> Linus:  true.
22.38.48 #       <LinusN> - i put it all in a huge pile
22.38.57 #       <t0mas> ghehe
22.39.01 #       <LinusN> - but how do you find the stuff?
22.39.09 #       <LinusN> - i put everything on top
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22.39.53 #       <t0mas> lol
22.40.44 #       <t0mas> :D
22.40.50 #       <t0mas> my rebooting on UIE works
22.40.57 #       <LinusN> wee
22.40.58 #       <t0mas> and amiconn's crash test too 
22.40.58 #       <t0mas> haha
22.41.33 #       <Febs> LOL.  :)  On the other hand, since FAQs are directed mostly to new users and those unfamiliar with the project, it seemed to me that the front page would be a good place for a direct link to the FAQ.
22.41.44 #       <amiconn> Hummhomm :/ The player sim doesn't like my lcd changes
22.42.01 #       <Febs> Was just a thought.  In any event, I'll continue working on organizing and updating the FAQs themselves.
22.42.13 #       <LinusN> amiconn: hehe, surprise :-)
22.42.18 #       <webguest07> Febs: are noobs so dumb they can't work out that a FAQ would logically be linked from Documents ?
22.42.22 #       <LinusN> Febs: much appreciated
22.42.32 #       <LinusN> webguest07: yes!
22.42.32 #       <amiconn> LinusN: It doesn't find it's framebuffer anymore
22.42.46 #       <webguest07> that's just tragic!
22.42.53 #       <amiconn> There was definitely something wrong with the declaration
22.42.56 #       <Febs> Webguest7:  After spending some (too much) time at Mistic River, I'm afraid that I have to answer yes.
22.43.15 #       <webguest07> true - the forums there aren't pools of enlightenment are they ?
22.43.19 #       <Cassandra> wg7: I recently told someone on the forums how to create a config file for use with a WPS.
22.43.37 #       <Cassandra> Two posts later, someone was saying they didn't know how to do this.
22.43.44 #       <Cassandra> I think that says it all, really.
22.43.53 #       <webguest07> hehe - notepad is a tough app to get a handle on eh ? :)
22.44.29 #       <amiconn> LinusN: That reminds me, every time I login to freenode and join #rockbox, this reminder is displayed:
22.44.31 #       <amiconn> [22:31:22] -ChanServ- [#rockbox] "Be sure to check out the FAQ before you look for 'general' information! http://rockbox.haxx.se/docs/faq.html"
22.44.31 #       <Febs> No, they're not.  It is a welcome change of pace to come here and read dialog by people with a better grasp of the English language than the folks at MR, many of whom speak English as their native tongue.
22.44.33 #       <webguest07> it depresses me, the number of people out there who fail to read stuff
22.44.39 #       <amiconn> The link is outdated...
22.45.04 #       <webguest07> Febs: You mean they *claim* to speak it as their native tongue. The evidence says otherwise :)
22.45.14 #       <Febs> Ha ha!  True.
22.45.27 #       <Cassandra> They speak American, which is a strange bastardised version of English.
22.45.35 #       <amiconn> hehe
22.45.53 #       <webguest07> even american is preferable to "l33t"
22.46.26 #       <t0mas> yes
22.46.35 #       <t0mas> I know some people speaking l33t english all time...
22.46.38 #       <t0mas> that's just irritating
22.46.55 #       <t0mas> especially if they claim to know linux... but don't even know what iptables is :X
22.47.05 #       <webguest07> I'll forgive someone for not knowing when to choose between "its" and "it's" - but people who think they have to abbreviate everything to the minimum number of letters is just plain lazy
22.47.27 #       <t0mas> "Oh man, I'm duch a l33t h4x0r, I gonna h4x0r your l4m0 b0x in 10 seconds."
22.47.39 #       <t0mas> 3 minutes later: "WTF? iptables? what's that?"
22.47.47 #       <webguest07> hehe
22.48.07 #       <t0mas> 5 minutes later: "You're just a nerd... stop talking about that shit."
22.48.11 #       <ze> webguest07: i dunno bout tht, cuz b4 ya no it yer tpn 2much
22.48.13 #       <ze> webguest07: :p
22.48.14 #       <webguest07> "my skript k1dd1e programz c4n't h4ndle Iptables"
22.48.23 #       <dionoea> t0mas: lol :)
22.48.44 #       <t0mas> webguest07: I had someone hacking a few weeks ago... (was an EFFnet idiot)
22.48.48 #       <t0mas> asked for my IP
22.48.50 #       <t0mas> 127.0.0.1
22.48.52 #       <ze> hah
22.48.53 #       <webguest07> hahaha
22.48.55 #       <webguest07> that old one
22.48.56 #       <t0mas> 3 minutes later... ping timeout
22.48.59 #       <ze> haha
22.49.07 #       <t0mas> don't know what toold he had...
22.49.12 #       <t0mas> but I saw someone doing that before :P
22.49.16 #       <webguest07> you could have been more original, and given him 127.0.0.10 or something
22.49.17 #       <HCl> idiot....
22.49.22 #       <webguest07> they all loopback
22.49.23 #       <HCl> yea
22.49.31 #       <HCl> 127.36.8.67
22.49.37 #       <HCl> looks a lot less like localhost
22.49.44 #       <t0mas> haha
22.49.47 #       <webguest07> to a twit anyway
22.49.57 #       <t0mas> ok, I'll do that next time...
22.50.05 #       <t0mas> there are more 13 y/o hacker wannabees ;-)
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22.50.22 #       <webguest07> I didn't think EFNET offered stealthed IPs yet anyway
22.50.25 #       <Cassandra> I found a great site to point idiots at.  http://www.justfuckinggoogleit.com/
22.50.33 #       <webguest07> if you have to *ask* someone on IRC for their IP. Well. Really.
22.50.42 #       <t0mas> yes...
22.50.53 #       <webguest07> Cassandra: nice. I'll book mark that :)
22.50.54 #       <t0mas> and I dare to claim my box is almost "unhackable"
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22.51.17 #       <HCl> i stopped caring for security a while ago :p
22.51.25 #       <LinusN> amiconn: changed
22.51.25 #       <webguest07> well there's always the chacne the moron will own a botnet
22.51.29 #       <Cassandra> t0mas:  I think they'd have trouble hacking my wireless router. :)
22.51.41 #       <webguest07> I have an 8MB link at home, but I still don't want it flooded
22.51.54 #       <amiconn> bash is weird, at least in cygwin
22.51.54 #       <t0mas> webguest07: that's the only think I can't have here :)
22.51.58 #       <t0mas> just 2 mb link here
22.52.01 #       <Coldtoast> I'm sitting here on 1.5Mbit :/
22.52.13 #       <t0mas> yeah... well mine is effectively 1.5
22.52.16 #       <webguest07> t0mas: heh - I'm only paying for 4MB as well :)
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22.52.39 #       <amiconn> Is it to be expected that if I open a bash window, the do startx & from there, and I close the bash window, x11 gets also shut down?
22.52.49 #       <webguest07> when they turned it on the router was negotiating up around 6.5MB, but now my ISP is upgrading me to 8MB for free!
22.52.49 #       <Coldtoast> wow! you have a 8MB line??
22.52.56 #       <t0mas> amiconn: that's normal
22.53.01 #       <Coldtoast> how's that possible?
22.53.04 #       <Bagder> amiconn: it seems they have chosen that approach, yes
22.53.09 #       <webguest07> amiconn: yep
22.53.23 #       <t0mas> Coldtoast: it's possible here too...
22.53.24 #       <webguest07> Coldtoast : Sorry - 8Mb
22.53.26 #       <t0mas> 8 Mbit
22.53.27 #       <t0mas> not MB
22.53.29 #       <Coldtoast> MB tho?
22.53.30 #       <webguest07> yeah
22.53.30 #       <Coldtoast> hehe
22.53.33 #       <amiconn> Why? I start it in the background with &, and I am able to do other stuff in the shell....
22.53.36 #       <webguest07> my bad
22.53.36 #       <Coldtoast> I'm beign persnickety
22.53.57 #       * Cassandra didn't have broadband at all until 2 months ago.
22.54.02 #       <t0mas> omg
22.54.03 #       <webguest07> I held the shift key down too long. It's this web client - it's a bit slow :)
22.54.06 #       <t0mas> where do you live Cassandra?
22.54.08 #       <Cassandra> Now I have 512k, and I love it. ;)
22.54.17 #       <Cassandra> Just outside Oxford, England.
22.54.21 #       <t0mas> damn...
22.54.21 #       <Coldtoast> I started out with 512/128 myself
22.54.40 #       <t0mas> I felt horrible when I had no adsl for 2 days... 6 months ago :)
22.54.45 #       <Coldtoast> hopefully they'll install the equipment for ADSL2+ where I am
22.54.47 #       <Cassandra> Can't afford more than 512k, really.
22.54.52 #       <t0mas> fucking slow 128/128 ISDN link
22.54.56 #       <webguest07> ADSL2 will be nice :)
22.55.01 #       <t0mas> yes :)
22.55.04 #       <webguest07> I'm hoping my exchange gets upgraded with it too
22.55.11 #       <Coldtoast> my ISP started rolling ADSL2+ out this year but my state's not scheduled at all for the DSLAMs they need
22.55.19 #       <webguest07> 24Mb is the initial offering isn't it ?
22.55.22 #       <amiconn> That reminds me...
22.55.25 #       <webguest07> in the UK anyway
22.55.28 #       <t0mas> it's already availible here :D
22.55.31 #       <Coldtoast> yep. ADSL2+ is 24Mbit
22.55.33 #       <t0mas> 20 mbit though...
22.55.41 #       <t0mas> 40 euro's / month
22.55.47 #       <webguest07> not bad
22.55.56 #       <Coldtoast> only righ tnext to the exchange tho. I'll prbably get aroudn 20Mbit where I am
22.55.59 #       <t0mas> including some live tv shows (sports)
22.56.00 #       <webguest07> I think I pay £30 a month for the 8Mb
22.56.01 #       <Coldtoast> not too far from teh exchange
22.56.18 #       <Coldtoast> I'm on 1.5Mbit and get the full 1.5Mbit
22.56.18 #       <HCl> i pay 10 euro a month for 100mb
22.56.25 #       <HCl>  :p
22.56.34 #       * t0mas looked it up... it's about 430 m here
22.56.41 #       <webguest07> who did you sleep with to get that rate HCl ?
22.56.52 #       <t0mas> no, he's living at the campus :P
22.57.05 #       <HCl>  :P
22.57.06 #       * t0mas has 1 year left...
22.57.06 #       <HCl> well
22.57.07 #       <webguest07> ah - the life of a student. Remember it well. Didn't have the intermaweb then though.
22.57.15 #       <HCl> i'm on the university network administration team
22.57.17 #       <HCl> i guess that helps? :P
22.57.26 #       <webguest07> you still have to pay tho :)
22.57.30 #       * t0mas has to look into that too
22.57.32 #       <HCl> i didn't used to
22.57.36 #       <HCl> i used to get my money back
22.57.39 #       <HCl> for being on the admin team
22.57.40 #       <webguest07> haha
22.57.49 #       <HCl> but now we just get free outings instead
22.57.52 #       <HCl> like going bowling or bbq
22.57.54 #       <Coldtoast> webguest07: when you guys are filesharing, do you have your own wifi networks running on campus?
22.57.58 #       <HCl> which is more fun for the money anywho
22.58.03 #       <Coldtoast> so you don't get busted filesharing?
22.58.07 #       <webguest07> Coldtoast - I'm not on a campus.
22.58.11 #       <HCl> we have our own wifi network, yes
22.58.12 #       <Coldtoast> oh. ok
22.58.25 #       <t0mas> hm?
22.58.36 #       <Coldtoast> I took my x50v for a walk around campus here (it's 2mins from my back fence) and there were about 3 running
22.58.37 #       <t0mas> getting busted? HCl and me live in the Netherlands :P
22.58.45 #       <HCl> yea.
22.58.49 #       <HCl> our university almost advertises
22.58.52 #       <HCl> with its network
22.59.14 #       <Coldtoast> hasn't Sweden just passed laws on filesharing tho? Does that eventually filter over to you guys?
22.59.27 #       <t0mas> well... It might...
22.59.33 #       <t0mas> but not in < 20 years
22.59.43 #       <Bagder> our new laws are pretty lame and won't affect much imho
22.59.43 #       <Coldtoast> cool. I should move there
22.59.47 #       <t0mas> and then they'll forbid kazaa...
22.59.49 #       <Coldtoast> I'd move there if it was cold
22.59.55 #       <t0mas> as nobody uses that anymore
22.59.57 #       <Coldtoast> kazaa suck arse anyway
23.00.03 #       <t0mas> indeed
23.00.15 #       <Coldtoast> they'll probably bad the original Napster first :)
23.00.18 #       <t0mas> another 30 years before they'll find out about bittorrent
23.00.41 #       <t0mas> our gouvernment is always running after the technology...
23.00.44 #       <HCl> well
23.00.46 #       <t0mas> they just don't get it :P
23.00.51 #       <HCl> i'm gonna demonstrate if they try to pass a law
23.01.05 #       <HCl> stupid brein already limited us to 15gb upload to the rest of the internet
23.01.05 #       <t0mas> lol
23.01.17 #       <HCl> per week
23.01.17 #       <HCl> thatis
23.01.19 #       <Coldtoast> god!
23.01.21 #       <Coldtoast> oh
23.01.24 #       <t0mas> HCl: buy the new Pc-Active magazine...
23.01.26 #       <Coldtoast> per week?? nice!
23.01.29 #       <HCl> and wifi is no limit
23.01.36 #       <t0mas> and read my article about extra cost added to DVD's
23.01.53 #       <t0mas> (heffingen in dutch)
23.01.55 #       <Coldtoast> I dumped all the wires in the house here a few months back
23.02.01 #       * amiconn is still mass-rebuilding simulators
23.02.03 #       <Coldtoast> SOOO much nicer having no cables
23.02.23 #       * t0mas has wires here... build into the wall when we moved here
23.02.31 #       <Coldtoast> might invest in some 7.7dbi replacement antennaes tho
23.02.34 #       <t0mas> 1 gbit is way faster than 54 mbit
23.02.38 #       <Coldtoast> yeah. that'd be nice too
23.02.42 #       <t0mas> the only wireless thing here is my laptop...
23.02.49 #       <t0mas> oh and my mothers old laptop
23.02.52 #       <Coldtoast> well, mine's 108mbit but still
23.03.01 #       <Coldtoast> effectively probably getting around 12mbit
23.03.07 #       <HCl> we only have 11mbit..
23.03.08 #       <t0mas> why?
23.03.09 #       <amiconn> I never experienced such a thing as a stable wireless connection
23.03.09 #       <HCl> and since a week or 2
23.03.16 #       <HCl> there's been a jerk pulling the entire bandwidth
23.03.22 #       * t0mas has a stable wireless connection
23.03.32 #       <t0mas> asus accesspoint
23.03.34 #       <amiconn> They're always more or less flaky
23.03.38 #       <t0mas> and build in intel client
23.04.18 #       <Coldtoast> I'm the only one here with gbit LAN
23.04.26 #       <t0mas> amiconn: My AP is dumped somewhere in a closet... close to my switches and router... and get 90% signal strenght in the garden
23.04.35 #       <Coldtoast> everybody else has 100Mbit and my switches and routers are all 100Mbit
23.04.38 #       <HCl> i bet i'm the only one here with root access to a computer with gbit internet o.o
23.04.52 #       <t0mas> HCl: I guess you are...
23.04.53 #       <Coldtoast> what router are you using t0mas?
23.05.02 #       <t0mas> Coldtoast: linux router
23.05.04 #       <HCl> not that i can do anything with it
23.05.05 #       <amiconn> It's not the distance and signal strength. Often windows says signal strength 'execellent' yet the connection is still flaky
23.05.08 #       <Coldtoast> Linksys?
23.05.11 #       <t0mas> just a simple P2 @ 233 mhz
23.05.13 #       <HCl> t0mas: ftp.nl.debian.org
23.05.13 #       <Coldtoast> or you built a box?
23.05.16 #       <Coldtoast> ok
23.05.24 #       <Coldtoast> I'm using a Linksys WRT54GS
23.05.26 #       <amiconn> It seems to depend on the combination of wifi card, ap and OS
23.05.30 #       <Bagder> honestly, windows is less good at doing wireless
23.05.32 #       <Coldtoast> quite a famous little wifi router that
23.05.36 #       <t0mas> and my modem is a simple E-tech shit thing... I got it from my ISP for free
23.05.36 #       <HCl> my dad has a linksys wrt54g
23.05.49 #       <amiconn> At home I prefer trusty wires
23.06.02 #       <Coldtoast> all we use the network for is ADSL
23.06.07 #       <Coldtoast> no file transfers at all
23.06.13 #       <t0mas> amiconn: asus AP + pcmcia card works great... asus AP + intel centrino works great too... asus AP + alcatel doesn't work that good
23.06.15 #       <Coldtoast> so wifi is AWESOME
23.06.42 #       <amiconn> Well, my laptop has 11b intel builtin, and that works well with most ap's.
23.06.51 #       <t0mas> HCl: ftp.nl.debian.org is the mirror at your university?
23.06.52 #       <amiconn> Witth the T-Sinus 1054 it is flaky
23.06.58 #       <HCl> thats our university server, yes.
23.07.07 #       <Coldtoast> yeah. I also need wifi for friends' laptops and my PDA
23.07.13 #       <amiconn> (Which is in fact a Samsung iirc)
23.07.18 #       <t0mas> HCl: you can't use that to DoS someone off the internet ;-)
23.07.37 #       <HCl> lol.
23.07.41 #       <HCl> technically i could
23.07.41 #       <amiconn> 54 MBit/s is even more flaky with the T-Sinus (Level One cards, both PCI and PCMCIA)
23.07.52 #       <HCl> but i'd get my arse kicked by the other admins in no time at all
23.07.52 #       <t0mas> HCl: yes, but that's the same with me...
23.07.53 #       <amiconn> ...even in the same room
23.07.53 #       <HCl>  :p
23.08.01 #       <t0mas> I technically can use company servers...
23.08.08 #       <Cassandra> Why has my cat taken up residence under my desk?
23.08.09 #       <HCl> *nods*
23.08.15 #       <t0mas> but in real life I can't.. I'll get fired
23.08.15 #       <HCl> yea
23.08.20 #       <HCl> same thing here
23.08.25 #       <Coldtoast> amiconn: 802.11N should be interesting
23.08.26 #       <HCl> though i have an university server
23.08.29 #       <HCl> thats titania
23.08.40 #       <HCl> with 2gb of ram and 4 xeons of 550mhz each
23.08.49 #       <t0mas> ah your ftp?
23.08.57 #       <HCl> yup
23.09.00 #       <HCl> among other things
23.09.04 #       <amiconn> Coldtoast: I don't think so
23.09.08 #       <Coldtoast> no?
23.09.10 #       <t0mas> my home server is a simple dual P2
23.09.14 #       <t0mas> 2x 400 mhz
23.09.19 #       <t0mas> with 512 mb ram...
23.09.23 #       <Coldtoast> it's full duples tho, for one thing, is it not?
23.09.28 #       <Coldtoast> duplex
23.09.31 #       <t0mas> fast enough to do everything it has to do here
23.09.41 #       <amiconn> If even the current setup doesn't work reliably, moving to a new one probably won't help
23.10.02 #       <Coldtoast> but it's not just a faster version of what we have now tho, afaik
23.10.05 #       * t0mas copies his new audio book to his iriver...
23.10.14 #       <t0mas> and goes to sit downstairs
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23.11.18 #       <Coldtoast> aaah! nice build
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23.13.59 #       <chester> hello - do any of use dir /s /b to generate playlists?
23.16.32 #       <t0mas> I don't
23.16.38 #       <t0mas> hm...
23.16.51 #       <t0mas> amiconn / Cassandra? where's the resume data stored?
23.16.59 #       <t0mas> a file in .rockbox ?
23.17.23 #       <LinusN> t0mas: in sector 61 iirc
23.17.39 #       <t0mas> ow... so no way to reset it?
23.17.44 #       <amiconn>  /.rockbox/.playlist_control stores the current playlist
23.17.54 #       <t0mas> when rockbox isn't booting... because resume is set to a WMA file?
23.17.58 #       <amiconn> The resume index is stored in the config sector
23.18.22 #       <amiconn> ...which is start_of_first_partition - 2, if that is > 0
23.18.47 #       <amiconn> Usually sector 61 on harddisks, and sector 30 on flash memory (Ondio)
23.18.58 #       <t0mas> ok, and is there some way to reset it?
23.19.02 #       <t0mas> when rockbox isn't booting?
23.19.07 #       <amiconn> dd
23.19.10 #       <chester> ok
23.19.11 #       <t0mas> (because it can't load the WMA file it tried to play)
23.19.29 #       <amiconn> You can try if deleting .playlist_control helps
23.19.40 #       <Bagder> does it really hang if you try to play a wma file?
23.19.44 #       <amiconn> Otherwise use dd to overwrite sector 61
23.19.48 #       <amiconn> (hard way)
23.19.49 #       <Bagder> or rename the file
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23.19.56 #       <t0mas> yeah...
23.20.07 #       <t0mas> so there is no simple way to help a noob having this problem? :)
23.20.20 #       <Bagder> renaming isn't _that_ hard
23.20.26 #       <t0mas> because I'm not going to let someone use dd if they don't know how it works :)
23.20.45 #       <Bagder> c'mon, it could be fun! ;-P
23.20.46 #       <amiconn> Bagder: It might be that renaming doesn't help. Isn't the internal playlist system index based?
23.21.14 #       <Bagder> ah, righ if he played a dir
23.21.20 #       <amiconn> Yup
23.21.23 #       <Bagder> then we would need to move it to another dir
23.21.27 #       <Bagder> he would
23.21.36 #       <amiconn> One could still delete that dir, or at least the problematic file
23.21.50 #       <Bagder> or rename it so that the file order is modified ;-)
23.21.51 #       <amiconn> But I would try deleting .playlist_control first
23.22.02 #       <amiconn> All that gets lost is the current playlist
23.22.33 #       <t0mas> jup
23.22.43 #       <t0mas> well... wish him good luck :)
23.22.52 #       <amiconn> Hmm. Why does the x11 player sim link, but the win32 sim doesn't :/ ?
23.23.07 #       * amiconn goes studying .map files
23.23.48 #       <hardeep> remember to take a compass with you
23.27.19 #       <hardeep> do we have a feature-freeze yet?
23.27.49 #       <t0mas> no
23.27.49 #       <Bagder> no
23.28.06 #       <t0mas> oh about that
23.28.16 #       <t0mas> Bagder? isn't it better to do that another way?
23.28.26 #       <Bagder> do what?
23.28.34 #       <hardeep> Okay, I wanted to add another feature that people have been requesting: "Insert from" which inserts all tracks starting from the current
23.28.34 #       <t0mas> like letting Zagor press the button... and then use patch to put in bugfixes
23.28.45 #       <t0mas> so we don't have to stop committing features for iriver?
23.28.58 #       <Bagder> yes I think so
23.29.05 #       <Bagder> we should make a branch for the release
23.29.51 #       <t0mas> that would be ok too
23.29.54 #       <Bagder> I just don't currently feel I have enough time to grab this task myself
23.30.03 #       <t0mas> who manages cvs?
23.30.06 #       <t0mas> Linus?
23.30.16 #       <Bagder> anyone can make a branch
23.30.22 #       <Bagder> but Linus, me and Zagor are admins
23.30.40 #       <HCl> yea, a branch for the release is definately a good idea
23.30.51 #       * t0mas will read it when he's back :)
23.30.57 #       <HCl> that way development can continue and copies are made of important tools like songdb
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23.31.15 #       <Bagder> yeps, that way it won't slow down any development
23.31.21 #       <amiconn> Ahaahh! The playersim doesn't break because it doesn't use the framebuffer
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23.42.50 #       * amiconn ponders rewriting lcd-win32.c some more
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23.46.57 #       <HCl> pff. it takes 15 minutes alone just to read all my ddr songs..
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23.50.20 #       <CoCoLUS> wouldn't a seperate release branch be obsolete long before it's bug-free with the current rate of new feature additions?
23.50.38 #       <HCl> what?
23.50.49 #       <Bagder> CoCoLUS: it wouldn't get any new features
23.50.59 #       <HCl> mhm
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23.51.08 #       <HCl> the branch would only get the bugfixes
23.51.12 #       <CoCoLUS> yeah i know
23.51.16 #       <HCl> where the main branch gets both bugfixes and new features
23.51.25 #       <CoCoLUS> but the main line would get all the new features
23.51.31 #       <HCl> yup
23.51.38 #       <preglow> hi all
23.51.42 #       <HCl> thats the whole idea of a feature freeze
23.51.43 #       <Bagder> hey preglow 
23.51.46 #       <HCl> hey preg
23.51.52 #       <preglow> anything fun going on?
23.51.58 #       <HCl> preparing to play ddr..
23.51.59 #       <amiconn> hi mr. codec :)
23.52.40 #       <HCl> might it be possible to add a logtype to logf, and a filter on what type of log messages to store/print?
23.52.45 #       <preglow> 28k8 life is not good life, internet wise :/
23.53.31 #       <HCl> or would that be bloated and should i just comment out the messages i don't want
23.53.55 #       <CoCoLUS> what i want to say is, when the release branch is ready, would there still be someone interested in it? it might look fairly outdated in comparison to the main tree, with all it's new features, albeit not stable
23.54.01 #       <HCl> preglow: especially when you're used to 100mbit..
23.54.29 #       <preglow> no shit, i left that connection lying battered and bruised in an empty flat some four days ago
23.54.35 #       <HCl> CoCoLUS: thats always the case in most open source projects, and yes, most of the time people will look at the stable release first
23.54.38 #       <Bagder> CoCoLUS: all those who use 2.4 today, yes
23.54.40 #       <Cassandra> Lots of people stick to the stable branch of Rockbox.
23.54.59 #       <Cassandra> I probably would if I didn't do development work.
23.55.05 #       <Cassandra> Let someone else work the bugs out.
23.55.10 #       <HCl> finally
23.55.10 #       <HCl> afk
23.55.11 #       <HCl> ddr
23.55.13 #       <CoCoLUS> 2.4 was before the iriver development started, right?
23.55.19 #       <Bagder> yes
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23.56.21 #       <amiconn> no
23.56.35 #       <Bagder> true
23.56.36 #       <amiconn> 2.4 was 20-something Dec 2004
23.56.45 #       <Bagder> yes, and iriver work started earlier
23.56.51 #       <amiconn> Iriver started earlier
23.56.55 #       <amiconn> Exactly
23.57.05 #       <Bagder> in september 04 in fact
23.57.20 #       <amiconn> Around the same time as Ondio dev started...
23.57.27 #       <preglow> oh?
23.57.29 #       <Bagder> yes
23.58.17 #       * amiconn just saved a whole conversion layer in the win32 player sim