--- Log for 09.07.105 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 28 days and 22 hours ago 00.01.44 # Dragon, this may be helpfull: http://www.geocities.com/SiliconValley/Pines/8659/crc.htm 00.02.29 Quit ghostiger ("Leaving") 00.04.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> bill20r3: I've done CRCs before 00.04.33 # ahh 00.04.36 # * bill20r3 hasn't 00.04.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> but indeed need a non-table algorithm 00.04.42 # but now I know a tiny bit about them 00.05.03 # do you have any code or any other info on this you can link me to? 00.05.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> rockbox contains CRC code 00.05.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> (I made it) 00.05.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> or, found and adapted it ;-) 00.06.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> it's in the debug menu and the flash plugins 00.07.29 # yea. 00.07.43 # we use it all around for the tagdatabase nowadays too 00.23.31 Quit Moos (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 00.37.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> 'night! 00.37.38 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.40.15 # hmm 00.40.39 # can someone tell me how to get the tag database working please? 00.40.42 # like 00.40.51 # a quick explanation 00.41.09 # on ihp 1x0 00.42.59 # please read the wiki 00.45.27 # i did 00.45.36 # well i quickly overviewed 00.45.43 # :| 00.45.53 # i'll go through it all then 00.46.01 # i guess i was just being lazy 00.47.21 # hm 00.47.36 # actually please disregard my question 00.47.41 # it's really too easy 00.47.42 # :x 01.01.07 # hrm. 01.04.27 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 01.04.31 Join gromit` [0] (~gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 01.13.52 Quit DomZ ("CGI:IRC") 01.30.31 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.229) 01.33.05 # night 01.34.42 Quit edx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.35.51 Join edx [0] (edx@p54A8F223.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.38.11 Join Cassandra [0] (~cassandra@82-70-230-150.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 01.51.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.57.14 Quit edx () 02.05.48 Join Febs [0] 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[0] (~courtc@adsl-158-8-171.asm.bellsouth.net) 03.48.07 Join Lurkski [0] (~Lurkski@cpe-70-93-109-209.socal.res.rr.com) 03.48.39 # anyone home? 03.51.02 # yoohoo? 03.51.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.25 Part Lurkski 03.54.37 # zzz 04.06.03 Join QT_ [0] (as@area51.users.madwifi) 04.10.04 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.229) 04.14.27 Quit QT (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 04.31.21 Join jayjayjayjay [0] (~jay@bea75-2-81-57-7-55.fbx.proxad.net) 04.31.48 # Hello... 04.32.56 # Is there some people working on the iriver port here? 04.39.55 Join tiegs [0] (~18e15776@labb.contactor.se) 04.41.59 Quit jayjayjayjay ("...") 04.44.03 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a237.wi.tds.net) 04.44.22 Quit Strath (Nick collision from services.) 04.44.24 Nick StrathAFK is now known as Strath (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a237.wi.tds.net) 04.45.03 Join alxcm [0] (~alx@68-232-83-247.chvlva.adelphia.net) 04.45.03 Quit alxcm_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.45.33 # when they're not sleeping 04.46.02 # * HCl looks around briefly and rubs his eyes, peering into his laptop light, just waking up from dreaming he had cancer 04.50.26 Join webguest58 [0] (~18ad17a5@labb.contactor.se) 04.51.13 Quit webguest58 (Client Quit) 04.53.49 # hello 04.54.18 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-42.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.54.20 # HC1 ? 04.58.44 Quit tiegs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.58.57 Join tiegs [0] (~18e15776@labb.contactor.se) 04.59.07 # hello 05.06.31 Quit godzirra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.11.08 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.49 # test 05.22.53 Quit tiegs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.36.06 # lol 05.36.34 # * alxcm waves 05.36.54 # * CheeseBurgerMan waves back. 05.44.59 # ;) 05.46.08 # :) 05.48.01 # what is it with keyboards? I can never seem to find the right one 05.48.19 # I always end up with keyboards that don't 'feel' quite right 05.48.53 # Rori: my fav keyboard (so far) is the single product sold by microsoft that i don't hate :p 05.48.58 # the natural elite 05.49.09 # googling 05.49.14 # I've just got some old laptop. 05.49.20 # I like it's keyboard. :) 05.49.43 # lol 05.49.47 # i love my laptop keyboard 05.49.59 # It just feels so......right. 05.50.03 # ;) 05.50.07 # ok, stop there 05.50.07 # the M$ natural's are ergonomic, the elite is a bit more compact and i like the layout better 05.50.10 # let's not go there, CheeseBurgerMan 05.50.12 # hmm not sure I can cope with a sloped keyboard 05.50.27 # i hate those split and sloped keyboards 05.50.28 # i hate straight keyboards, forcing your wrists together 05.50.52 # this leaves my hands/wrists/arms in a natural position 05.51.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.51.40 # I'm a 2 finger typist 05.51.47 # I type very badly :) 05.51.49 # heh 05.52.04 # though I can get about pretty fast still 05.52.09 # lol - I type with all my fingers. 05.52.15 # just don't ask me to type in the dark 05.52.21 # lol 05.52.39 # heh 05.52.44 # Just turn up your moniters brightness... 05.52.44 # I always intended to learn to touch type but never get around to it 05.52.47 # i type in the dark all the time 05.52.50 # Me too. 05.52.53 # heh 05.53.04 # my old natural elite (which broke in 2000), i sanded all the letters off the keys 05.53.06 # is your mirc window black or white background? 05.53.09 # irc 05.53.16 # black background 05.53.19 # I've got a greenish back ground. 05.53.20 # same 05.53.26 # black is nice 05.53.29 # Black and purple text. 05.53.38 # yeah 05.53.39 # ewww 05.53.49 # * CheeseBurgerMan has unique tastes. :) 05.53.51 # ;) 05.53.52 # i just need to make black-backgrounded gtk/qt/firefox themes that don't suck 05.53.53 # my text is light blue and your is white 05.54.06 # Ah. 05.54.07 # i use light gray text 05.54.12 # I use black. 05.54.13 # for the most part 05.54.34 # Mine shows up as black, and everybody else shows up as purple. 05.54.47 # let me try other colors 05.55.08 # hmmm 05.55.10 # yuk 05.55.23 # lol 05.55.28 # http://ze.yi.org:8042/irc_window.png 05.55.57 # I like mine looking like ansi 05.56.27 # I made your text light grey it is a bit easier on the eye 05.57.05 # I can't seem to select my own custom color in mirc though :P 05.57.18 # Right click on a color. 05.57.21 # I wanted a deep shade near black but not quite black 05.57.42 # ah 05.57.43 # ta 05.58.27 # sorta dark dark purple now 05.58.32 # background 05.58.41 # lol 05.58.47 # i'm limited to ansi colors 05.58.53 # since it basically uses ansi to color it 05.58.54 # heh 05.59.15 # ansi in yer pantsi 05.59.34 # I used to love the old ansi bbs's 05.59.45 # I ran PCBoard for a while 05.59.50 # heh 06.00.05 # on dual 28.8's :) 06.00.10 # i only ever got on one bbs, and that was while i was waiting to get internet access 06.00.51 # Oddball's Diner. The place for your daily does of baud sucking flying ANSI graphics 06.00.57 # dose 06.01.23 # I coded a lot of it myself it looked great 06.01.27 # hehe 06.01.42 # I had a fake DOS prompt for the bozos who thought they could hack me 06.01.47 # Just a minute, I'm going to upload a screen shot for mine. 06.02.11 # and after a while it faked a format on their C drive lol 06.02.23 # lol 06.02.30 # To see them disconnect suddenly was funny 06.02.37 # hehehe 06.03.05 # I checked plugins for backdoors and when there was one I made it do that instead 06.04.08 # I loved to Bluebox back before the net was usefull 06.05.45 # Uploading.... 06.06.10 # sadly I lost it all and even the stuff I coded myself. all gone :/ 06.06.18 # :( 06.07.04 # ah well 06.07.12 # Rori: that sucks 06.07.52 # http://img37.imageshack.us/img37/6446/mircscreen5fv.png 06.07.59 # I made some nice things too. Like this great animated ansi menu with a banner at the top and animated clock 06.08.00 # That's mine. :) 06.08.07 # CheeseBurgerMan: yuck heh 06.08.20 # putrid colors dude 06.08.33 # are you color blind? ;) 06.08.41 # you soon will be :) 06.08.45 # hehe 06.09.00 # I like it... 06.09.01 # :) 06.09.11 # * CheeseBurgerMan is unique. ;P 06.09.12 # :P* 06.09.36 # I gotta go to the puter fair later to try and find a remote mini keyboard with inbuilt mouse controller 06.10.06 # My old one died. I use it as a glorified remote control in front of the TV 06.10.42 # saves me getting up to the computer to pause video etc 06.11.12 # damned expensive they are on the net (at least in the UK) 06.11.13 Quit RotAtoR () 06.11.24 # i built a cheapo serial lirc reciever for our pvr and programmed it and the universal remote with matching button sets 06.11.42 # no good for entering data, but great for controlling mythtv 06.12.48 # http://www.misco.co.uk/tracker/tradedoubler/redirect.aspx?tduid=8fd68672e0b3c067e872427ab830f6bf&url=http://www.misco.co.uk/productinformation/~66916~/product.htm?affiliate=2004 06.13.28 # neat 06.13.38 # i'd like to have something like that for entering text and also for PC games 06.13.52 # although for PC games i really need a trackball to go with it 06.13.52 # heh 06.14.18 # they do pad or trackball 06.15.45 # think I might get a trackball one if I can find one 06.16.02 # but if I find a cheapo one at the fair with pad I will just grab that 06.16.11 # hehe 06.16.29 # 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I wonder why my 'o' key is a bit worn on this keyboard :) 06.19.36 # i just got an addressing error when i tried to play a .ogg file 06.19.45 Join webguest92 [0] (~189593bc@labb.contactor.se) 06.20.05 # O and L 06.20.31 # maybe it's getting too OL'd 06.20.50 # * Rori sings no L no L, no L no L...born is the king of IsraeL. 06.20.52 # yep. vorbis playback is broken 06.21.08 # again? 06.21.15 # vorbis playback is always getting broken 06.21.32 # stop breaking ogg dudes 06.21.34 # heh 06.21.45 # and since I use it a lot now for gapless too! 06.23.18 # http://www.datahand.com/ 06.23.27 # type like that dudes 06.24.10 # crazy 06.24.25 # you have to learn the key combos 06.25.11 # like press left forfinger and right thumb for a B etc 06.25.22 # heh 06.25.29 # hmm 06.25.32 # funky 06.25.40 # i use dvorak 06.25.47 # I'd rather learn to play the piano 06.26.06 # http://www.maltron.com/maltron-kbd-dual.html 06.26.07 # i do that too 06.26.07 # :p 06.26.18 # sometimes anyway 06.26.52 # i don't like the look of that one 06.26.52 # heh 06.28.14 # I want thought controlled 06.28.28 # yeah 06.30.09 # yawn 06.30.36 # i keep wondering if i couldn't adapt the stuff from the retropsychokenisis project into an input mechanism 06.30.48 # steeeep learning curve, but if i could get the hang of it, it'd own 06.31.08 # wuuuh 06.31.56 # i was pretty good at the rpk when i did their online stuff 06.31.59 # hard to be consistent though 06.32.58 # the less i do it, the better it works out it seems 06.33.04 # like if i just get on and do one single run 06.33.08 # every once in a while 06.33.33 # i'll get like a 1 in 1000 probability score or thereabouts pretty consistently 06.33.47 # but if i just keep doing it over and over then i tend not to get so good 06.34.00 # no idea what you are on about :) 06.34.20 # and i get the worst when its doing a recorded run... knowing that its logged and will get counted for a stored score throws off the mindset for me 06.34.51 # Rori: retropsychokenisis is the phenomena of psychokeneticlly affecting things retroactively 06.34.54 # heh 06.35.15 # sounds like bs 06.35.19 # Rori: there's this project online 06.35.29 # they've got some hardware true random number generators 06.35.36 # based on radioactive decay or something i think 06.35.47 # then a computer collects the random numbers and stores them 06.35.50 # * Rori puts on his tinfoil hat 06.35.59 # without anybody observing them 06.36.07 # I'd be putting tinfoil on somewhere lower... 06.36.17 # then there's java interfaces on the web 06.36.19 # maybe I should get one of these http://www.chillblast.com/product.php?productid=16248&cat=0&page=1 06.36.34 # that read the stored random numbers and display them graphically by a couple different methods 06.36.38 # i like the plain bell curve one 06.36.43 # it just shows a bell curve and a line 06.36.53 # and the line moves left or right or stays centered or whatever 06.37.06 # indicating the deviation from the mean for the current random number 06.37.22 # and just goes through the stored random numbers one after another, displaying it like that 06.37.22 # I am a tree 06.37.43 # so the idea is you pick one way or the other, left or right 06.37.45 # see me spread my branches 06.37.48 # and try to get the line to go as far that way as you can 06.37.56 # * Rori got wood 06.38.17 # * ashridah wanders off to repeatedly stab someone who turned on an out-of-office responder for a mailing list. 06.38.45 # Rori: looks neat but i wouldn't really care for a kb like that 06.38.45 # heh 06.39.12 # * Rori plays with his Bell Curve 06.39.24 # heh 06.39.47 # then it goes for some limited length of time 06.39.48 # ze you must visit those new world order sites or something 06.40.04 # David Ike and the lizards 06.40.13 # and shows you results like the furthest you got it to go and what % of the time it was deviated by the mean by how much or somesuch like that, been a while since i looked at it 06.40.44 # here is a link for you http://observer.guardian.co.uk/business/story/0,6903,972764,00.html 06.40.45 # and what probability the total outcome would happen by chance 06.41.10 # Rori: not really 06.41.49 # Rori: this stuff is actually based on the current most-commonly accepted interpretation (among physicists) of quantum theory 06.42.14 # Herbie Fully Loaded 06.42.31 # It's a car but it's alive see 06.43.47 # Rori: which is that when a random event has multiple equally-likely outcomes, it exists in a super-position of all those different possibilities untill it's observed by a conscious entity, at which point the superposition collapses into just one of those possibilities, which is the one observed 06.44.21 # Rori: since consciousness itself is affecting the event, then it might be possible for it to bias the outcome 06.44.52 # I love theorists 06.45.18 # They make up all these explanations of why something does such and such but can't actually prove it 06.45.24 # Rori: nobody's worked out yet exactly why all the quantum probabilities collapse into the classical deterministic world on the macroscopic scales 06.45.39 # sounds like a lot of big words to me :P 06.45.54 # Rori: well actually quantum theory holds the whole superposition thing as true no matter what interpretation you take 06.46.08 # Rori: the different interpretations that're out there are just different takes on what makes it end up being one way or another 06.46.09 # * Rori likes the theory of reality bubbles 06.46.35 # Rori: and quantum theory is the single most succesful theory to describe the phenomena its concerned with ever devised by people 06.47.10 # Rori: successful in the sense of both describing behavior previously known empirically, and also of making predictions that have been confirmed in new experiments 06.47.29 # soothsayers would be appalled 06.47.34 # Rori: quantum electrodynamics particularly 06.48.23 # ah well...without theories I guess we would not have a lot of cool tech stuff 06.48.32 # Rori: its an ironic twist of fate that many of physicists who hated quantum theory, including einstein, have formulated arguments against it that they considered absurd, which have then had testable consequences that turned out to work out the way their "absurd" arguments predicted 06.48.56 # Rori: so in trying to dissent to quantum theory, they've inadvertently lended further support and development to it 06.49.28 # if it's not reproducable on a consistent basis I won't believe it 06.49.35 # it is 06.49.36 # heh 06.50.04 # like i said, for its scope, its the most successful theory we've got 06.50.13 # I've seen some weird stuff in my time though like balls of orange light floating through fields 06.50.25 # so I won't say it's all baloney 06.50.33 # although a screwed up aspect of it is that while it describes the behaviour of electrodynamic phenomena perfectly 06.50.42 # it doesn't give any explanation as to how it happens 06.50.46 # heh 06.51.03 # nothing behind-the-scenes 06.51.07 # I like those things they capture on cameras 06.51.17 # things flying through the air at high speeds 06.51.22 # rods 06.51.22 # we've just got these equations that we can plug things into and they give us the same result our experiments will 06.51.31 # but it doesn't say how it works out that way 06.51.31 # nobody can explain those 06.51.45 # heh yeah there's all kinds of funky stuff out there 06.51.50 # the 1st thing you described sounds like ball lightning 06.51.57 # the last thing, dunno 06.52.03 # rods are weird 06.52.26 # most explainations are that it's the electrical circuitry causing interference 06.53.04 # but yeah what i do with the retropsychokenesis is the same thing i do with this dice game, 10,000 06.53.10 # i've played it with my parents a bunch 06.53.17 # and several times i got into this particular attitude sortof 06.53.21 # most of the weirdest stuff I have seen those was while tripping on lsd ;) 06.53.29 # and as long as i was in that state of mind, i'd ridiculously own them at the dice game 06.54.05 # sometimes i'd start to slip out of it a bit, and then i'd roll and it wouldn't be a good roll 06.54.06 # you a number counter? 06.54.16 # you'd be banned from Vegas :) 06.54.29 # but as long as i kept that attitude, the dice always came up good for me and bad for them 06.54.44 # no, i don't know how to do any kind of logical cheats or any of that 06.54.55 # this is just simple throwing 6 dice 06.55.07 # you'd get along with my crop circle friend 06.55.11 # and trying to get 1's, 5's, 3+ of a kind, or 1 2 3 4 5 6 06.55.58 # first dude to get arrested for making crop circles in the UK. I also know that dude who hacked into the Pentagon some years back lol 06.56.31 # Rori: quit grouping things together that're unrelated 06.56.34 # you know the one they said could have caused ww3 (yeah right) 06.56.45 # lol 06.56.45 # nope dunno that i heard about that 06.57.15 # I'm just trying to steer away from convos about probability 06.57.25 # and quantum theory 06.57.35 # hehe 06.57.44 # because I don't understand it and frankly don't realy care 06.58.00 # well forget about quantum theory and probability 06.58.06 # it's all voodoo to me 06.58.45 # i'm just saying... i've been able to affect random processes, and it'd be neat if i could put together an input mechanism based on it 06.58.48 # :p 06.58.59 # is the universe expanding or decaying? 06.59.17 # as far as we know, its expansion seems to be accelerating 06.59.18 # wrong word...collapsing 06.59.24 # hmm 06.59.38 # which has prompted them to invent "dark energy" 06.59.41 # how can you measure it? 06.59.48 # dark matter lol 06.59.54 # no not dark matter 07.00.24 # "dark matter" is what they invented because galaxies behave as though they have way way way more gravity than the visible mass of them would produce 07.00.47 # "dark energy" is the repulsive force thats accelerating the expansion of the universe 07.00.50 # heh 07.01.12 # I thought it was just inertia 07.01.45 # between the 2, the visible matter of the universe only accounts for 1% or less of the total mass of the universe, and the total matter of the universe only accounts for 1% or less of the total energy in the universe 07.02.10 # they can't figure out what the rest is 07.02.17 # which means that everything we can see in a 13 billion lightyear span around us is an insignificant little portion of existance 07.02.42 # inertia would keep it going at a steady velocity 07.02.55 # ic 07.03.02 # except that gravity would be dragging against it, pulling things back 07.03.35 # the question used to be whether inertia would win out and reach a point where gravity can no longer pull things back together, and we'd get the heat death of the universe as everything spreads out indefinately 07.03.39 # well maybe something outside our own ideas is pulling it ever outwards 07.03.48 # or, if gravity would drag on it enough to pull everything back inward and make a "big crunch" 07.04.10 # or maybe there is no out or in 07.04.11 # but recent observations suggest that, like i said, the expansion is actually accelerating somehow 07.04.21 # maybe it's a moebius loop :) 07.04.27 # could be 07.04.40 # * Rori gets flashbacks of TNG 07.04.41 # lots of theories hold the universe to be various shapes that loop in on themselves 07.04.58 # some take it like the surface of a sphere except in 3 dimensions 07.05.11 # you know if you're on the surface of a sphere and you go in one direction you'll come back around to where you started 07.05.17 # the idea that there is no inside or outside always strians my brain 07.05.25 # abstract that to a dimension higher, and thats how some take the universe to be 07.05.26 # strains 07.06.05 # the surface of a hypersphere i guess 07.06.10 # but others say maybe its a hypertorus 07.06.15 # or some other hypergeometry 07.06.15 # heh 07.06.15 # if you could travel to the end of the universe would you end up back where you were? hmm 07.06.46 # maybe space is folded 07.06.57 # i'm not sure if you could travel fast enough to outrace the expansion to ever try it 07.07.01 # heh 07.07.28 # maybe you get to the end and God has a big sign saying 'out of bounds' 07.07.53 # heh 07.08.21 # lol 07.08.24 # maybe the end of the universe is beyond the microscopic 07.08.45 # * CheeseBurgerMan wonder what that has to do with Rockbox... :| :P ;) 07.09.08 # if you could magnify small enough you'd see God waving back at you 07.09.43 # all these atom smashers 07.09.54 # one day they will cause a black hole 07.10.16 # i think i read about them making a short-lived micro black hole at some point 07.10.23 # or at least plans to make one, i forget 07.10.24 # aye 07.10.36 # they've made antimatter too 07.10.45 # I saw a funny BBC short movie 5 different ways the world could end :) 07.10.47 # first individual antimatter particles 07.10.54 # and now they've mde antihydrogen atoms 07.11.00 # one was that 07.11.01 Join webguest25 [0] (~cfe6da5e@labb.contactor.se) 07.11.17 # next they're building traps so they can contain the antihydrogen atoms to experiment with them more 07.11.42 # hello i have a question 07.11.47 # we need fusion 07.12.23 # on the daily page i do not see a link labled latest under iriver. could someobody tell me why??? 07.12.24 # we've got fusion... not any efficient ways though 07.12.44 # they got room temp fusion to work but it requires lots more energy in than they can get out 07.13.12 # i recently read about pyrofusion i think it was 07.13.29 # http://www.aip.org/pnu/2005/split/729-1.html 07.13.41 # and forget hydrogen power plants for some time 07.13.51 # anybody got any ideas? 07.14.18 # webguest25: no clue 07.14.36 # I'm off. I don't do science stuff. 07.14.49 # heh 07.14.49 # hmmm 07.14.53 # I barely comprehend how to operate this computer 07.15.16 # ipso facto neato 07.15.16 # lol 07.15.21 # heh 07.15.21 # lol 07.15.24 # whatever 07.15.25 # have fun 07.15.28 # tata 07.16.02 # i love the greyscale cant wait for more of it to appear. looks beatuful 07.18.35 # Not nealy as beautiful as the H300s will look (:P) But yes, that'll be a great step forward. :) 07.18.53 # * CheeseBurgerMan is an H320 owner. ;) 07.19.11 # webguest25: The build system was changed yesterday to allow builiding for H100,H110,H115. As a result of this the H120 build changed. When the daily build runs in an hour or two, there should be a link again. In the meantime, you could use the bleeding edge build at the bottom of the page. The next daily will almost certainly be identical to it., 07.20.10 # well im not that worried just wanted to know where the button went. thanks cassandra 07.20.49 # You're welcome. 07.22.34 # who here is using the latest bleeding edge? 07.22.50 # are they working on the lcd screen? i noticed that they got it to work on the simulator 07.22.51 # me 07.23.13 # I updated, unplugged USB and got a PANIC and message about "empty dir size update" or something 07.23.33 # reset and now it fils to boot rockbox so boots the iriver fw instead 07.23.51 # sounds like something's messed up with the rockbox.iriver file 07.24.12 # yeah. I'll download it again I think 07.24.21 # chkdsk it from the usb boot loader screen, and reinstall it from a working copy 07.24.32 # Coldtoast: Did you rerun "configure" before building. 07.24.54 # I just dl the ready made one from the rickbox site Cassandra 07.25.00 # Cassandra: he's using daily builds 07.25.07 # Oh, right. 07.25.18 # I rolled my own, that seemed to work. 07.27.23 Join tiegs [0] (~18e15776@labb.contactor.se) 07.28.09 # hmmm. my battery remain time is now over 10hrs wrong 07.28.10 # You can try using my build from http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/rockbox.zip. 07.28.21 # says 15hrs, 10mins 07.28.37 # I re-downloaded. works now :) 07.28.56 # OK. Must've been a duff download then. 07.29.07 # I have a 2200mAH battery in mine now and before updating, rockbox was reporting 27hrs 30mins 07.29.14 # now it says 15hrs 10mins 07.29.45 # I've noticed battery time tends to be underreported after turning on. Give it a minute or two. 07.29.55 # can anyone suggest best way to rip OGG files from a disc? 07.30.11 # ok 07.30.16 # tiegs: what OS? 07.30.25 # i just tried some crap shareware that ripped/converted at like 96kb 07.30.29 # Exact audio copy and the Ogg Vorbis encoder works for me. 07.30.31 # xp home 07.30.32 # tiegs: Exact Audio Copy with oggenc.dll 07.30.39 # ah yeah then EAC i guess 07.30.50 # or is it oggenc.exe? heh 07.30.55 # hi cold..could you give me a link please? i am not having luck w EAC 07.31.03 # for linux i use your mom's gaping cunt 07.31.06 # cdex works okay in windows i've been told. 07.31.08 # (script a friend wrote, ymgc) 07.31.25 # for ripping anyway 07.31.29 # ze: Your friend badly needs a life. 07.31.31 # don't remember if it encodes as well 07.31.32 # http://www.exactaudiocopy.de/ 07.31.48 # Cassandra: the name might've been my idea... or a collaborative effort 07.31.52 # EAC wanted me to use the LAME f or MP3- had no clue how to import the LAME extractor or whatever itor 07.32.04 # Then you both badly need a life. :) 07.32.10 # hehe 07.32.11 # thnx cold - i have that..which one? 07.32.41 # Cassandra: you probably wouldnt appreciate this vocoder test i did then 07.32.42 # :p 07.32.43 # tiegs: you could also try foobar 07.32.44 # sounds like he wrote cdparanoia for windows 07.33.00 # tiegs: It's pretty simple. Download a build of LAME, and copy lame.dll into your EAC directory. 07.33.43 # well, my concern is i want GAPLESS and no mp3 whatever the bit rate worked, only OGG worked for a truly gaples playback- i am hoping i can get that from commercial discs as well 07.33.45 # woah! so Rockbox's FLAC is pretty efficient then! 07.34.27 # did i say something wrong?? 07.34.32 # tiegs: Rockbox's MP3 player supports gapless, provided you encode with a recent version of lame. 07.34.45 # tiegs: lame's the only encoder i know of that has features specifically for gapless playback... which basically consists, i think, of storing a bit of extra info that tells players that support it what silence to skip 07.34.53 # ok, i downloaded lame 3.96.1 07.35.01 # That should do it. 07.35.13 # vorbis > mp3 though 07.35.14 # :p 07.35.30 # when i open that folder there is an .exe which when clicked seems to open a dos box that disappears 07.35.30 # oggenc2.exe > all 07.36.00 # I think either will give you gapless in Rockbox. 07.36.15 # tiegs: the lame binary should be called by EAC 07.36.24 # Cassandra: battery time is still reported as 15 hrs 10 mins after a few minutes 07.36.25 # or the dll i dunno 07.36.28 # whatever eac uses 07.37.02 # so i have 2 folders downloaded - eac and lame..now what? 07.37.11 # hadn't updated in a day and battery time was 27hrs 30mins so it seems battery time is more wrong again 07.37.27 # ct: Maybe settings got reset. Have you checked that the battery power is set correctly in your settiings? 07.37.41 # * Cassandra can't remember any recent changes to the battery code. 07.37.50 # when i run the EAC.exe and point to files, it makes them WAV only - what am i doing wrong? 07.38.09 # yeah 07.38.09 # You need to copy lame.dll from the lame folder to the EAC folder. 07.38.17 # I changed it then changed it back to 2200mAH 07.38.26 # I'll try the latest daily 07.38.56 # just paste in there all alone? 07.39.26 # Yep. Then restart EAC and there should be a LAME.DLL tab under "Compression Options" 07.39.44 # oh. there's no link for Daily any more! 07.39.48 # ok..let me try..one sec..ty 07.39.56 # just has "Older". no "Latest" 07.40.01 # ct: Wait a couple of hours. 07.40.28 # But the next daily will be the same as the current bleeding edge most likely. 07.40.41 # oh. what time is there? 07.40.56 # aah. almost 00:00 07.40.59 # i'm not sure why people bother with dailys :/ 07.41.07 # o just after 07.41.33 # ghode|afk: If there have just been commits, the bleeding edge builds can be flaky sometimes. 07.42.12 # i se the compression options, but when go to convert i still get it looking like wants to do WAV 07.42.47 # same thing can be said for the dailys. and if there were bugs, they are usually fixed in the bleeding edge builds. would save alot of hassle if there was a note somewhere that said people should try the latest build before reporting bugs ;/ 07.43.29 # nah it wouldn't 07.43.40 # wouldn't make a blind bit of difference imho 07.44.08 # 1) ppl trying the bleedign edge builds know that anyway and 2) ppl who don't don't read 07.44.19 # well, i have compression options, then that does appear to use the lame dll, but then what? 07.44.34 # it's like at work. We have NO SMOKING signs all over the place but ppl still light up 07.44.40 # there are loads of people who come in here, or post on the forums about bugs in the dailys that have already been fixed in the bleeding edges 07.44.49 # you dont give people enough credit 07.44.51 # tiegs: have you changed the wave format: See the waveform tab. 07.45.12 # yes, there is no option from the pulldown..just WAV only 07.45.17 # yes I do. I give ppl all the credit in the world. But you can't deny facts 07.45.36 # well until its been tried you'll never know 07.45.38 # anyway 07.45.50 # wave format = mpeg lame layer 3 07.46.09 # That's the one you want. 07.46.44 # so just say ok to that?> 07.46.51 # Oh, and tell it not to write wav headers and to use a .mp3 extension. 07.47.00 Quit webguest25 ("CGI:IRC") 07.47.02 # ok 07.47.16 # You probably want to pick a sample format too. 07.47.25 # tiegs: http://club.cdfreaks.com/showthread.php?t=101833 07.47.42 # there's a guide 07.47.54 # thnx 07.48.39 # yw 07.48.46 # "cant open selected codec"/oh hell 07.48.55 # im so burned out 07.49.09 # you should have a bit of a break to clear your head 07.49.22 # don't needlessly frustrate yourself 07.49.38 Join StrathAFK [0] (~mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a237.wi.tds.net) 07.50.18 # i know cold..just eager o get this thing going 07.50.31 # how do YOU playback albums w/out gaps? 07.50.46 # i have a rio karma 07.50.50 # personally, I don't 07.50.55 # it plays gapless no matter what hehe 07.50.57 # i wont ask for isntructions now but will come back and want to do it one way and the best way 07.51.10 # but you could use OGG 07.51.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.51.28 # yeah i'd recomend ogg/vorbis in general 07.51.31 # that seems to work best, so i want to get OGG from a disc..where can i do that? 07.51.41 # i foundsome program but it sucked 07.51.51 # OGG will eat your battery faster tho. prolly the only downside 07.53.00 # so any suggestions for getting commercial disc into OGG ? 07.53.30 # no versions of mp3s play w/out gaps..even slight ones are still there 07.53.38 # or pops between track changes 07.55.18 Quit tiegs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.56.27 # Cassandra: just looking around inteh debug menu here 07.56.43 # Hmm? 07.56.48 # in Battery Info, it's reporting 4.14 07.56.56 Join tiegs [0] (~18e15776@labb.contactor.se) 07.57.09 # 4.2 is fully charged, I believe. 07.57.48 # I charged my player last night while at work and have had it on maybe 5 mins since 07.57.54 # Where'd you get the battery from, btw? 07.57.57 # it can't have discharged 10hrs overnight 07.58.02 # ebay 07.58.17 # I'll charge it again anyway 07.58.32 # ct: Well, charge time is based on voltage. That's the voltage being reported. 07.58.32 # I SUPPOSE there's teh possiblity I left it on overnight or something 07.58.59 # well, thanks cold and cassandra - 07.59.09 # need somebody with a 2200mAH to see if thre's is wrong as well 07.59.19 # i am fed up for the day, possible to get some help w this over the weekend? 07.59.36 # Battery time reporting is kind of hard anyway. 07.59.39 # i want to play a damn beatles album w/out gaps..shouldnt be that hard..cant get it done 08.00.06 # I sometimes think Rockbox tries too hard. And we should just have a 4 stage indicator like iRivrer. 08.00.28 # you don't have a build from 24hrs ago by any chance? 08.01.14 # maybe it's just the first charge tho 08.01.25 # it's only been charged once so far 08.02.12 # I don't, but there should be one on the website. 08.02.48 # tiegs: use foobar ... 08.03.48 # there's no dl link for a daily build on teh website at the moment 08.04.07 # ghode-what where is trhat? 08.04.34 # is this stuff junk... 08.04.39 # http://www.mymusictools.com/download/ogg-rip/ 08.05.20 # There's an "earlier" link, isn't there? 08.05.28 # there's OLDER, yeah 08.05.40 # but no dl link 08.05.43 # http://www.foobar2000.org/download.html 08.05.55 Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.06.04 # oops 08.06.05 # sorry 08.06.08 # ignore me. heh 08.06.38 # Why would you want to replace your iPod headphones with a pair costing 2 pounds off eBay? 08.06.54 # Masochism is the only reason I can think of. 08.07.26 Join Chamois [0] (HydraIRC@champigny-5-82-226-182-23.fbx.proxad.net) 08.08.12 # Cassandra 08.08.21 # just went back to yesterday's daily 08.08.29 # and it's reporting 27hrs 30mins again 08.08.33 # so something's changed 08.09.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20050708.zip reports 27hrs 30mins 08.09.36 # latest bleeding edge reports 15hrs 10mins 08.11.57 # Speak to Linus. The only thing I can see that's gone into the firmware are his H115 adjustments. 08.12.05 # ok 08.15.01 # * Cassandra can't find any iRiver battery auctions. 08.15.12 # heh 08.15.15 # don't bother looking 08.15.20 # search for 2200mah 08.15.30 # ipod 1st/2nd gen battery 08.15.36 # run you, like, $20US 08.15.58 # you just need to change the polarity of the connector 08.18.17 # Hmmm. Soldering required? 08.18.21 # nope 08.18.30 # a pin is required :) 08.19.21 # on the connector, you just need to get a pin and lift the plastic a teeny bit and pull the wires out then swap them 08.19.55 # like, on the top of the plastic connector, there's a bit of plastic that holds the metal connector crimped onto the end of each wire 08.20.15 # And how'd you get the iRiver open? 08.20.21 # yo ulift that bit of plastic a bit enough so you can pull each wire out and then just swap them over 08.20.30 # get yourself a T5 Torx screwdriver 08.21.00 # ep0ch used a very small flathead screwdriver but I can tell you now it's a lot better to get the right torx screwdriver 08.21.22 # I went and bought a mobile phone screwdriver kit which has a vew different sizes of torx driver 08.23.37 # the 2200mah is slightly thicker than the stock battery but it fits ok 08.23.43 # you have a h140 or h120? 08.24.00 # they fit in the h120 as well but somewhat snug from what I understand 08.26.07 # 140 08.26.39 # The cheapest way to buy small torx bits is to buy a screwdriver and throw the handle away. 08.27.38 # heh. ok 08.28.36 # Think I'll wait a bit before I do though. Seem to be spending a lot of money at the moment. 08.28.53 # it's REALLY easy to do the battery upgrade tho. Takes about 20mins or so 08.29.06 # Where'd you find out about it? 08.29.21 # ppl were doing it on misticriver with Ionity batteries 08.29.29 # which are kind of expensive 08.29.56 # did a bit more of a search and some guy had tried ipod 1st and 2nd gen batteiries 08.30.12 # and they cost about $22 os opposed to, like, $60 08.30.18 # er... $20\ 08.30.29 # same connector, 3.7V, everything 08.30.37 # Capacity? 08.30.41 # just need to flip the poliarity 08.30.44 # 2200mAH 08.30.51 # Ionity is 1900-2000mAH 08.31.25 # Sounds like a neat hack. You should document it and put it on the Wiki somewhere. 08.31.26 # with the Ionity batteries, you're paying extra for... err... 08.31.28 # umm........ 08.31.45 # yeah. maybe. cos there are a few little tips to doing it 08.32.04 # markun, ep0ch and I all have the same battery it seems 08.32.25 # got mine from EZIPDA on ebay 08.32.40 # It does sound like a pretty sweet upgrade for the price. 08.32.52 # Voids your warranty, I take it? 08.33.04 # yeah. I was about to order an Ionity when I found out about the ipod batteries 08.33.14 # well, interesting you should mention that 08.33.36 # cos there are absolutely no signs anything's been done on mine 08.33.58 # maybe there are very tiny marks from the flathead screwdriver I originally tried. dunno 08.34.08 # *nods* It's not like the Archos where they put something on the nuts to prevent you opening them. 08.34.13 # with the right sized torx tho, I don't see how they'd possibly be able to tell 08.34.30 # yeah. they normally have a sticker over one of the screws 08.34.36 # not iriver tho 08.35.05 # so it's pretty much a "No reason in the world not to" kind of thing 08.36.02 # the h140 goes back together REALLY easily too. no fiddlign around trying to line stuff up or anything 08.37.24 # I was interested in doing it and almost spent the $100AUD or so it would have cost me to buy the Ionity but when I found out about the ipod batteries and how damn cheap they are, I ordered one right away 08.37.32 # btw, my battery has a 1 year warranty 08.38.00 # so that's cool. ep0ch or markun, can't remember which, said theirs was only 3 months 08.38.16 # so I reckon you should buy from ezipda :) 08.38.16 # *nods* 08.39.11 # tho I removed this big sticker that was on mine. the one saying you should charge for at least 3.5hrs before use and warning you not to bend, pucture, etc the battery 08.39.28 # so maybe that's voided my battery warranty 08.39.45 # doubt it tho.. If so, I'll definitely buy anoteh rone 08.40.37 # I take it the "screwdriver" that comes with the ezpda one is the wrong size for iRiver. 08.40.45 # heh. yeah 08.43.04 # Hmmm. What the f*** ... 08.43.13 # ? 08.43.29 # As in, I think I will. 08.43.34 # aah 08.43.37 # cool 08.43.39 # What's the original capacity btw. 08.43.45 # 1300mah 08.44.22 # Nice. :) 08.44.27 # couple of things I found when doing mine 08.45.03 # before replacing the mobo intot he front part of the cover withthe LCD window, make sure there's no dirt or fluff or anything 08.45.11 # and make sure the LCD is clean 08.45.26 # got mine together, turned it over and there was fluff :) 08.45.34 # Annoying. :( 08.45.39 # had to disassemble it and clean it again 08.46.05 # now it's fine tho 08.46.52 # and when putting the back cover back on, don't sit the battery on the HDD and try and fit the back cover over it 08.47.48 # it's easier to get the back cover close to the rest of it and fit the battery into the back cover where it fits and then assemble it 08.47.58 # *nods* Cool. 08.48.18 Join Lurkski [0] (~Lurkski@cpe-70-93-109-209.socal.res.rr.com) 08.48.22 # *grins* Total investment: £15.50. 08.48.28 # it's very neat in the h140, btw :) 08.48.35 # yeah. amazing huh? 08.48.56 # * Coldtoast high fives Apple 08.50.02 # Now it'll definitely last the two 5 hour journeys I make when going to Cambridge. :) 08.50.10 # hehe 08.50.39 # I left mine charging while I was at work so it got about 7hrs of charge time first 08.51.37 # heh. it's sort of a satisfying feeling after you get it done 08.51.52 # I leave mine on power overnight usually. 08.51.56 # I should only need to charge mine once a week now 08.52.08 # How come you're up at this ridiculous hour of the morning anyway? 08.52.09 # cos it gets used about 3hrs a day 08.52.17 # it's 16:52 here :) 08.52.35 # on Saturday 08.55.08 # Ah. I thought you were in the UK, for some reason. 08.55.39 # 09:55 here :) 08.55.59 # I hate you all. 08.56.25 # nah. Australia 08.56.37 # oh, btw 08.56.53 # as far as weight goes, my h140 doesn't feel any heavier 08.57.29 # what's the latest with the bomings in London Cassandra? 08.57.35 # bombings 08.57.47 # have they worked out who it migh tbe? 08.59.43 # Nothing I've heard. Everyone seems pretty certain it was Islamic fundamentalists, but that's about it. 09.00.00 # what a pathetic effort tho 09.00.15 Part Lurkski 09.00.26 # what's the death toll up to? still ~50? 09.01.03 # Well, yeah. But I'm a bit worrying about everyone taking the piss. People still died, and who's to say they won't step it up next time because this one wasn't too effective. 09.01.53 # mind you. taking the piss mightn't be that bad, you know? 09.02.03 # news.bbc.co.uk is your friend. ;) 09.02.46 # Well yeah. I understand the sentiment, but these these inadequate wankers might get pushed into doing worse. 09.03.01 # 7 explosions and only 52 ppl? why would you bother. only reason I can think of is to try and strike fear into the population. If ppl "take the piss" intead and not go nuts, they fail 09.03.27 # But it's all same old same old for us. The IRA have been doing it for years (albeit not recently) 09.03.34 # but yeah. just can't ignore it, obviously 09.03.42 # yep 09.04.08 # this incident is no more extreme that some of the stuff you guys have had happen 09.04.40 # *nods* The WTC rattled us a lot more than this did. 09.05.34 # yeah. Amazing that was, what, 4 years ago or something? 09.05.49 # I remember when it happened. freaky! 09.06.21 # I can't even get over the fact the gulf war was over 10 years ago 09.06.32 # *nods* Yeah. Bad day. Lots of my friends were on IRC vehemently wishing the world would go away. 09.06.34 # funny thing, time 09.06.52 # Yeah. It is. 09.07.45 # Falklands War is something like 20 years now. 09.07.54 # wow 09.08.07 # We like to have a good war as a run up to an election round here. 09.08.16 # heh. Young Ones was made almost 25 years ago 09.08.27 # Blackadder is 20years old 09.08.47 # Terrifying, isn't it? 09.08.56 # yeh 09.09.09 # I watched a TV series set in the 80s called the "Beiderbeck Affair" recently. 09.09.16 # hey. do Hale & Pace still work together? 09.09.28 # It just reminded me how totally different the planet was before mobile phones and the net. 09.09.38 # No idea. Haven't heard of them in ages. 09.09.39 # oh yeah. absolutely 09.10.01 # I still want to know where my sodding flying car is though. 09.10.13 # We were promised flying cars in the year 2000, dammit! 09.10.26 # heh 09.11.32 # As in they were supposed to be here by 2000. 09.11.55 # bugger that. I want my flying skateboard :) 09.12.24 # actually, no I don't. a 118Kg guy on a skateboard looks wrong 09.13.06 # Wow, if I tap on my desk, the cold cathodes on my Linux box turn on. 09.13.48 # (I was surprised to find that the rather nice seethrough case I bought for it came with cold cathodes and light shows galore, but it is pretty. 09.13.49 # heh 09.14.09 # I used to have a side window 09.14.18 # I think they're sound or vibration activated. 09.14.38 # \kinda went off all that sort fo stuff tho and now I just have this brushed aluminium Coolermaster case 09.15.27 # Well I wouldn't have bothered with all the eye candy myself, but I rather like perspex cases, and it was cheap in a liquidation sale, and the old case didn't fit properly anyway. 09.17.39 # It lives on the floor anyway, so the eye candy is even more pointless than usual. 09.17.59 # heh 09.18.07 Quit Chamois (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 09.18.28 # Well, you can't really see it. properly. 09.20.57 # Right. Anyway, I have a wedding to get ready for. (Not mine, fortunately.) 09.21.12 Join Lurkski [0] (~Lurkski@cpe-70-93-109-209.socal.res.rr.com) 09.21.27 # anyone home? 09.22.24 # so who here is using linux and what is the distro of choice/ 09.22.25 # ? 09.23.10 # Debian on every machine :) 09.23.26 # debian eh? So why debian 09.23.30 # * ashridah gives Slasheri the cookie of taste 09.23.36 # :) 09.23.37 # haha 09.23.46 # Lurkski: it's very easy to maintain and upgrade 09.24.15 # no dependency hell as with rpm you get 09.24.32 # it's probably a little more arcane than it should be tho. ubuntu makes a good choice for someone starting out with linux, yet wanting some of debian's nicer tools and a more complete default install 09.24.47 # I just finished my first book on programming in C and everyone has been pointing me toward GCC. but I figured why cygwin when i need to be getting into linux anyways 09.25.10 # so you think debian would soot me for this purpose 09.25.12 # ? 09.25.14 # Lurkski: ah, well, getting started, i generally recommend you play with a few different distros 09.25.31 # I don't mind Mandriva 09.25.45 # i'd grab ubuntu, fedora core 4 and maybe mandriva/mandrake/whateverthehellitscallednow and play with them a bit before deciding 09.26.04 # the linux distro debate is a polar argument with 53 axes 09.26.09 # so let me get this straight 09.26.11 # hahaha 09.26.24 # they all are based of the same core/ kernel 09.26.27 # right? 09.26.29 # no 09.26.33 # no? 09.26.47 # please escuse my ingnorance 09.27.03 # fedora core and mandriva are RPM based distros, fedora's an offshoot of redhat, whereas mandrake/mandriva sprung off as a separate distro from redhat much longer ago. 09.27.19 # ubuntu is a debian-based distro, but with more focus on having a complete desktop from the start 09.27.25 # without overwhelming people with choices 09.27.35 # ahhhhhh i like that 09.27.54 # one thing i have noticed as i've been looking is an overwhelming amount of choices 09.28.24 # everyone says that linux is way better than windows for developers...why is this 09.28.25 # ? 09.28.38 # that depends tho 09.28.45 # again excuse my ignorance 09.28.59 Quit webguest92 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.29.11 # if you're developing specific Windows apps for example 09.29.29 # can you develop for windows from linux 09.29.41 # I figure just ajusting compler settings or something 09.29.45 # compiler 09.30.00 # as i continue to show my ignorance 09.31.19 # the reason I ask all this is because I just got a new laptop and I figured that I could slap a linux distro on it to ease the transition while keeping my desktop with winXP till i'm comfortable 09.34.25 # one more question...........they are all different distros but they are all linux. Is the GUI aroung the main OS code all that is different about them? They can all run the same programs right? 09.35.41 # linux really has all of the tools you will need to do programming with almost any language to almost any target. And the powerful scriptable command line (shell) is a far far better what windows has 09.36.09 # thanks for the info slasheri 09.36.17 # that makes me more confident in the move 09.37.20 # can all the distros run the same programs? Well that are coded for linux of coarse? 09.37.20 # hey Slasheri 09.37.32 # hi Coldtoast :) 09.37.42 # what time does Linus usually appear? 09.38.16 # Lurkski: basically yes, but the same binary might not work on all linux distros because they have different versions of dynamic libraries installed 09.38.19 # enjoying the weekend so far? heh. I have to work 09.38.50 # ah I see.... it all starting to make a bit more sense 09.38.52 # mind you... tonight I'm working at Jelly Wrestling. apparently 14 girls 09.38.52 # but you can do for example an installer that automatically compiles your code on the machine you are installing it into 09.39.12 # i see 09.39.34 # or just make deb/rpm etc. packaging formats if you intend to release your software for multiple linux distros (alien can convert different package formats to other) 09.40.15 # I see.....thanks slasheri for leading the blind. 09.40.20 # :) 09.40.49 # but very basic programs that do not have much library dependencies should work the same way on all decent distros 09.41.12 # ok ok 09.41.35 # Lurkski: however, the common idea is that you provide the sources, not a binary. That way there is no problems with the dynamic link issue :) 09.42.10 # so that be can be sure to compile for their distro or change what is necessary ect.... 09.42.14 # ? 09.44.01 # generally yes 09.44.23 # you don't have a 2200mah attery in your h140 do you Slasheri? 09.44.32 # battery 09.44.53 # Coldtoast: nope, but i just got an ionity battery. I will install it on monday and then i will take some power measurements also 09.44.55 # good morning 09.45.03 # morning crwl :) 09.45.04 # thanks so much slasheri take care my friend 09.45.06 # ok 09.45.08 Part Lurkski 09.45.11 # i just got an 2200 mAh battery from ebay, i suppose i'll install it today :) 09.45.23 # Slasheri: was telling Cassandra before. the battery info changed in teh last day it seems 09.45.47 # Coldtoast: Hmm, i haven't noticed any change with that info 09.45.56 # updated and rockbox reports 15hrs 10mins whereas a day ago it was 27hrs 30mins 09.46.05 # eh.. 09.46.08 # that's interesting 09.46.21 # just to be sure, I went back to the daily from yesterday and sure enough, 27hrs 30mins again 09.46.31 # Hmm 09.46.53 # and I made sure it was set to 2200mah still 09.47.34 # i hope i could make the battery estimate a little better after i get the measurements 09.47.53 # cool. why'd you go with Ionity, btw? 09.48.28 # I was going to. was all ready to order but then found out about the 2200mah ipod batteries 09.48.31 # i just wanted to be sure it works :) and it has the protection circuit module for sure 09.48.40 # ok 09.48.53 # I can confirm these ipod ones have the circuit, btw 09.49.02 # if anybody's wondering 09.49.04 # and i heard the ipod batteries might be hard to put inside the case 09.49.15 # ah, that's good 09.49.18 # for the h120 I hear they are 09.49.27 # i won't be very pleased if the ipod battery explodes in the player :P 09.49.51 # the h140 isn't bad tho but you should fit the battery into the back cover then assemble, not try and fit the cover over the battery with it sitting on teh HDD 09.49.54 # those expolding nokia cell phone batteries gained some media coverage last year 09.50.10 # or was it earlier, anyway 09.50.30 # don't forget to change the polarity of the connector on that battery crwl 09.50.44 # Coldtoast, i try to remember ;) 09.50.48 # heh 09.50.57 # Coldtoast: I know what broke the battery estimation 09.51.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.51.15 # oh? 09.51.20 # It was Bagder's renaming of the h100 build to h120 09.51.20 # i've never opened my h120 before, but my friend has opened his, so i'll let him do the dirty work :P 09.51.33 # really? 09.51.37 # powermgmt.h explicitly checks for h100, which it no longer is... 09.51.45 # aaah! 09.51.45 # Dead simple to fix 09.51.59 # that's what's compiling now? 09.52.16 # If so then it wasn't me 09.52.23 # ok 09.54.10 # Coldtoast: I noticed because I get an 8 hour-something estimation now :/ (stock 1300 mh battery) 09.55.07 # I was getting 15hrs 10mins and left it playing for a while and it was still 15hrs 10mins. So it didn't seem like an issue with the battery 09.55.25 # hardware wise 09.57.17 # Now somebody else was faster than me 10.01.55 # currently that estimate is accurate only with 128k cbr mp3 files 10.02.31 # Hmm, maybe it could be better to display only how many hours we have left.. 10.05.38 # * Cassandra returns, clean and polished. 10.06.47 # Why this sudden upsurge in battery replacements, anyway? 10.06.50 # i realized that i need to get my charger back too if i want to install a new battery 10.07.59 # not good to do the initial charge with four AA batteries that probably run out of power before fully charging a 2200 mAh battery 10.09.09 Join ghostiger [0] (~ghostiger@0f044bb2050252db.session.tor) 10.09.17 Quit tiegs ("CGI:IRC") 10.21.21 # Cassandra: I think maybe ppl discovering it's so cheap to do 10.24.58 # yes, that's the reason for me at least 10.24.58 # Right. 10.25.07 # Worked for me. :) 10.25.12 # heh 10.26.34 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 10.26.54 # Morning Linus. 10.26.57 # hi 10.27.34 # i'm about to release version 3 of the boot loader 10.28.03 # neat 10.28.38 Quit Rori () 10.28.43 # LinusN: new features? 10.33.17 # aah Cassandra 10.33.28 # found out why my rockbox dl seemed to be corrupt 10.34.18 # ashridah: removed the start-original-with-remote feature and added H110 support 10.34.27 # I use cURL to check http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h100/rockbox.zip but it's changed to http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h120/rockbox.zip 10.34.29 # What was up with it? 10.34.43 # That'd do it. :) 10.34.47 # yeah :) 10.35.02 # So is RB booting on your 110, Linus? 10.35.10 Join Chamois [0] (~3e234217@labb.contactor.se) 10.35.31 # ah 10.35.52 Quit Chamois (Client Quit) 10.36.40 Join Harpy [0] (RSe8aPw91F@dsl-hkigw7wbb.dial.inet.fi) 10.38.12 Join Chamois [0] (~Florian@i01v-62-35-66-23.d4.club-internet.fr) 10.38.13 # Cassandra: yup, catching the digital flow 10.41.34 # Do all the developers use that as a test track, do you think? 10.41.55 # I don't 10.47.56 # it's just such a cheesy slogan 10.48.05 Join Maxime [0] (~flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 11.01.27 # LinusN: Where did you take the implementation of standrad functions like memcpy() from, or did you implement them? 11.01.34 # *standard 11.02.16 # from newlib 11.02.22 # Ah 11.02.35 # * amiconn wants memmove() 11.02.48 # That'd make things like scolling way easier 11.02.59 # *scrolling even 11.03.03 # go ahead 11.03.16 # I could actually replace memcpy with memmove 11.03.34 # and #define memcpy memmove 11.04.05 # Of course the asm implementation needs some work then 11.04.59 Join floam [0] (~floam@sh.nu) 11.08.02 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@c-180-217-46.cvx-h.dial.de.ignite.net) 11.08.07 # bootloader 3 fixes that : Known bugs 11.08.07 # * The SDRAM refresh rate is too slow, outside the SDRAM specification. Will be fixed in the next release. 11.08.11 # ? 11.08.21 # re 11.13.37 # anyone ever attempted hacking the iaudio M3? 11.14.37 # lame... 11.15.04 # The newlib memmove implementation only optimises the forward copying case 11.15.15 # does somebody know what "result -5" means when rbx is starting 11.16.08 # if(sum != chksum) 11.16.10 # return -5; 11.16.20 # = ? 11.16.31 # reinstall a new daily build 11.16.37 # didnt help 11.16.56 # did you erase .rockbox and rockox.iriver before ? 11.17.25 # no, but copied some files into .rockbox 11.17.36 # erase all 11.17.37 # this is last thing i remember 11.19.07 # muesli : does it work now ? 11.20.25 # i am running scandisk at the moment, cant check it 11.20.38 # from the daily build download page: "Starting July 8th 2005, the builds for iriver H120 and H140 are named h120." 11.21.49 # http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=h120 11.22.03 # this is the new source for daily-builds? 11.23.09 # for h120 and h140 yes 11.23.16 # cheers :D 11.24.22 # now i need help with updating fwpatcher 11.24.47 # https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439120&aid=1234863&group_id=44306 11.25.03 # wish i could... 11.25.43 # Chamois: i updated the wiki regarding the known bugs 11.26.20 # oki 11.27.08 # i gotta go, i hope someone can update fwpatcher soon 11.27.12 Part LinusN 11.37.31 # linus 11.37.32 # ? 11.37.38 # you're wrong in the wiki 11.37.47 # bad md5sum for the new bootloader 11.42.13 # ? 11.42.18 # did you compile it yourself or? 11.44.05 # no 11.44.12 # with the bootloader in the wiki 11.44.20 # hm 11.44.25 # * HCl goes to check 11.44.33 # they are the same than the bootloader v2 11.44.50 # :p 11.45.10 # yea o.o; 11.45.44 # for the 1.65Eu i have that : e41a9c06b7233d62bee044a8942e6b57 11.45.54 # but prefer waiting for LinusN 11.46.02 # *nods* 11.46.10 Quit muesli- (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 11.49.22 Join webguest97 [0] (~53afb0c2@labb.contactor.se) 11.49.29 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.50.17 # * HCl yawns 11.50.39 # * webguest97 waits for tha new bootloader 11.50.46 # fwpatcher* 11.50.46 # its already on the wiki. 11.50.48 # ah. 11.50.51 # :) 11.50.54 # thats a different thing. 11.51.09 # we don't have proper md5hashes at the moment anywho 11.51.11 # I'm currently looking at fwpatcher 11.51.14 # md5sums, i mean 11.51.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.52.16 # yeah... what's particularly strange is that the feature i desire the most is turning rockbox on with the remote;p 11.52.38 Quit cYmen_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.53.00 # heh 11.53.03 # well 11.53.30 # i can make you an .hex with the v3 bootloader, but without proper md5sums there's no guarantee it won't brick your player 11.54.43 # yea, i guess i'll wait for fwpatcher 11.56.40 Join webguest89 [0] (~5156ff54@labb.contactor.se) 11.57.22 # Hmm. The direct download links for the various iriver firmwares don't seem to work :/ 11.57.23 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 11.57.35 Join webguest89 [0] (~5156ff54@labb.contactor.se) 11.57.46 # (except h120 165K and 1.65K) 11.57.54 # morning 11.59.30 Join cYmen_ [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.59.57 Quit cYmen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.00.06 # who's against me checking the java generator into cvs? 12.00.10 # hi i was just reading through your irc logs and some people mentioned changing iriver battery with 1st/2nd gen ipod one. isnt this the same battery that people have a problem with in that it supposedly fails after like 18 months or something? or is that more a problem with the ipod than the battery? 12.00.27 # no idea webguest89 12.00.38 # i've had it for about a month know, i think 12.00.54 # i don't know which failing battery you're talking abot 12.00.56 # about 12.01.39 # i don't think the one they sell at ebay is at all related to the original ipod battery 12.02.02 # oh just some of the reviews of ipod and other sites mention it. before the 4th gen or was it the ipod photo the battery i think was somehow glued on or something so you could only send it back to apple for a costly replacement 12.02.35 # yea, these aren't original ipod batteries 12.03.11 # maybe the 1st/2nd gen ipod didnt have battery glued on so you could change it dunno. thats why i ask someone here 12.03.19 # how much mh is the original battery anywho? 12.03.29 # are they much higher capacity than 1st/2nd gen original battery? 12.03.32 # yes. 12.03.35 # 2200mah 12.03.46 # hmm ill try look it up 12.05.20 # gah all i got so far is some replacement batterys specs for the 2nd gen 12.05.24 # 550 mah 12.06.24 # heh 12.06.42 # original Apple battery was 12.06.43 # rated at 1320mAh 12.07.05 # haha so that site with the 550 mah is really ripping people off 12.07.24 Quit cYmen_ (Connection reset by peer) 12.07.28 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.07.33 # i dunno how accurate this site is anywho 12.07.37 # it was my first hit with google 12.07.58 # their price is crap, at least O.o. 12.08.08 # lol, i don't trust this site at all o.o; 12.08.14 # http://www.mac-pro.com/s.nl/sc.2/category.307/it.A/id.1687/.f 12.08.15 # check that 12.08.32 # the photo of the battery clearly shows it saying 1800mAh, not the 2100mAh they're trying to sell it for 12.09.05 # ah this site says 1200 mah for 1st gen 12.09.15 # http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/consumer_electronics/stats/ipod.html 12.09.45 # anywho, something like 1200mah :) 12.10.09 # who'd want an ipod anywho 12.10.11 # it has no radio 12.11.32 # well if radio is not important to someone and they want a player with database and getting tied into itunes or whatever maybe its the right choise 12.11.40 # choice* 12.12.20 # i dont listen to radio much on my iriver as there isnt much music i like thats on 12.12.23 # meh 12.12.29 # i still wouldn't want an ipod 12.12.37 # me neither 12.12.52 # i briefly considered the rio karma 12.12.59 # but it didn't even have an portable harddisk mode 12.13.16 # i often forget that though iriver and archos support that really nicely, there are still lots of players that dont 12.14.36 # only things it has going i think for it are size/possibly good everything-automated-for-a-newbie bad get-tied-into-itunes software/scrollwheel 12.15.02 # its like the macdonalds of mp3 players 12.15.47 # rio karma seems a good deal. better than ipod anyway 12.15.56 # price is REALLY cheap on amazon.co,uk 12.16.28 # £129.99 12.16.31 # 20 gig 12.16.54 # and apparently they fixed their old hd problems so it is reliable now 12.18.40 # 5-Band Parametric Equalizer with pre-sets 12.18.42 # lovely 12.18.53 # Mrf, I don't get it. Why the ** does iriver offer a H100 1.63 US and a H110 1.63 US firmware upgrade, both containing a ihp_100.hex file, but with slightly different size? 12.19.49 Quit cYmen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.19.51 Join cYmen_ [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.22.50 # hey guys i know you say if someone is worried about any problems they might get after installing the bootloader and the latest build that they should leave it until rockbox is finished but just how stable is it right now? 12.23.40 # webguest89: as for me it's more than usable 12.26.50 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.26.51 # so have you had any crashes? or only some bugs or glitches related to playback of music or certain functions being incomplete that can be ignored for now? 12.26.56 # re LinusN 12.27.01 # i have updated the md5 sums in the wiki 12.27.20 # LinusN: Where did you find the 1.65 H100 firmwares 12.27.22 # ? 12.27.50 # webguest97: i mean if no crashes then yes i will certainly take the plunge and put the bootloader on even though i still got 11 months warranty on 12.27.57 # Also, I wonder why there are H100(us)_v163 and H110(us)_v163 available for download 12.28.39 # webguest89: with the recent builds no crashes at all, and no glitches since the really early music playback days 12.29.10 # amiconn: detective work 12.29.43 # The links in IriverBoot only give me a korean (?) error page 12.30.08 # I'm fiddling with fwpatcher, and need checksums... 12.30.21 # amiconn: yes, the links seem to work only sometimes 12.30.51 # the links worked earlier this morning 12.31.01 # webguest97: thank you. ill give it a try 12.31.02 # Do you have the checksums of *unpatched* H110 firmwares? 12.31.08 # hang on 12.31.58 # 1.65us: d3725865e0948cd5f604b00db2ec89aa 12.32.28 # 1.65eu 478dc657b97e77d1b4944ef26c3dcb8e 12.32.44 # 1.65k 97ba82fb8099bb23ca0c78fc119f8cce 12.32.56 # i don't have 1.63 12.34.10 Join hicks [0] (~hicks@zeus.mups.co.uk) 12.35.06 # LinusN: I found 1.63US, but 2 different files... 12.35.21 # One says H100 the other says H110 12.36.04 # i think H100 refers to H100 series, i.e the later h120/140 models 12.36.11 # url? 12.36.24 # Both contain a ihp-100.hex 12.36.31 # hmmm 12.37.48 # i can't say i care about 1.63, but it could be interesting to see the differences in those two files 12.38.19 # http://www.iriver.at/download.html?&Input2=&products=43&cats=0&L=0&rpp=50&submit=&list=&order= 12.38.28 # Entries 19 and 20 in the list 12.38.28 Quit cYmen_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.38.31 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 12.38.44 # 19 says EU, but links to a file with (us) in the name 12.39.08 # I *guess* that it is in fact a EU version 12.39.18 # ..because the .hex is a bit smaller 12.39.29 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC") 12.39.32 # This is same as with the h120 EU/K/US versions 12.39.50 # EU is a bit smaller than K/US; I wonder why... 12.42.27 Join amiconn_ [0] (~jens@p54BD57E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.42.59 Join Vicious [0] (~irc@6ab8e0b6e6342637.session.tor) 12.43.27 Join PaulJ [0] (~PaulJ@vpn-3102.gwdg.de) 12.43.32 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 12.43.32 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (~jens@p54BD57E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.43.34 # mrf. 12.43.56 # hi I can confirm the patched fw for ihp120, us version is "b341f2360a981f7ce21b24c312152cbf *ihp_120.hex" as on the wiki 12.43.57 Quit cYmen (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.44.19 Join webguest89 [0] (~5156ff54@labb.contactor.se) 12.45.24 # someone with wiki access add that can add that in 12.45.26 Quit Vicious (Client Quit) 12.48.21 # anyone has wiki access... 12.49.28 Nick webguest89 is now known as raistlin (~5156ff54@labb.contactor.se) 12.59.46 # The fwpatcher patch from the sf tracker doesn't work as-is. 13.00.05 # The inarray() function cannot work 13.00.09 # it needs to be rebuilt with a new bootloader.bin 13.00.18 # arghl, nevermind me 13.00.20 # * ashridah shuts up 13.01.04 # ...and the approach isn't that safe either. It can be made more safe by checking the exact source->result pair 13.01.39 # It already detects the original fw by comparing md5, so it knows what exact firmware it is about to patch 13.02.00 # Then it could also check the result against the exact md5 for that source 13.02.04 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.02.13 # ...not hard to implement... 13.02.50 # greyscale is great :x 13.03.27 Join thegeek [0] (na@ti521110a080-4732.bb.online.no) 13.09.47 Quit raistlin ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.11.05 Join edx [0] (edx@p54A8E9AD.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.11.43 Join cYmen [0] (~cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.15.59 # feels good to have the h100 out the door 13.18.35 # amiconn: are you working on the fwpatcher? 13.18.52 # yup 13.20.42 Join femina [0] (~arkoeris@catv-50638f1f.catv.broadband.hu) 13.21.27 # great 13.22.06 # helo 13.23.07 Part LinusN 13.24.03 Nick femina is now known as fogt (~arkoeris@catv-50638f1f.catv.broadband.hu) 13.24.32 Nick fogt is now known as fogtunder (~arkoeris@catv-50638f1f.catv.broadband.hu) 13.26.03 # are there any hungarian here? 13.27.37 Part fogtunder 13.51.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.52.55 Join Moos [0] (DrMoos@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 14.19.56 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@JRAF.org) 14.21.06 # Heyy :) hello ! quick question (I think I've asked before but .. will rockbox work on a 3xx iriver model? 14.21.13 # eventually 14.21.16 # currently, no 14.21.44 # oh :( 14.22.09 # cause correct me if i'm wrong, but they don't sell the 1xx models anymore 14.23.16 # BoD[]: Third FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ 14.23.41 Join dakiller [0] (~dakiller@dialup-56.40.220.203.acc03-albe-wgl.comindico.com.au) 14.23.43 # BoD[]: we're aware. 14.24.23 # BoD[]: and yes, the 1xx range, and probably eventually the 3xx range aren't being produced, no, since iriver have the H10 and whatnot to push instead 14.24.58 # ok 14.25.06 # well thank you very much for your answers :) 14.25.17 # I think i'm gonna buy a h300 today 14.25.38 # it's a bit expensive, and I don't really need a color screen 14.25.49 # but oh well 14.27.51 # why not buy an h140 off ebay 14.27.52 # ? 14.28.00 # i'm looking at ebay right now 14.28.07 # sounds like a better deal to me, optical in, optical out 14.28.41 # adapters, remotes 14.28.44 # I'm not sure that would be any cheaper. I've seen H140s sell on ebaby for $500 USD, while the H340 is selling for $350 USD. 14.28.44 # hmm 14.28.53 # H140 is the best 14.28.56 # :) 14.28.58 # well 14.29.12 # plus I want an european model because of the usb host thing 14.29.25 # 1xx have that right ? 14.29.36 # Then you definitely need the H3xx because H1xx doesn't support USBOTG. 14.30.23 # oh I thought it did :( 14.31.24 # nope 14.32.00 # does anyone know if iriver's firmware is "ok" with no rockbox... And by ok I mean at least I can browse files by folders 14.32.14 # Something is wrong with the bootloader v3. It is working, but the start-iriver-fw-with-remote-on feature is still there 14.32.15 # as opposed to by id3 database thingy 14.32.26 # It's supposed to be gone... 14.32.33 # * amiconn summons Linus 14.32.45 # BoD[]: iriver's stock firmware allows you to browse supported music files by directory, yes 14.32.57 # you don't need to use the id3 db iriver provide 14.34.12 # Not only do you now need to use the iriver DB, but you probably won't want to, as it typically increases the player's boot time to over a minute. 14.34.32 # iriver boot time is horrid either way 14.34.34 # Iriver boot is pathetic even without db... 14.34.39 # since they pre scan the entire harddisk 14.35.06 # oh 14.35.14 # well :) for db optional 14.35.18 # and :( for boot time 14.35.43 # my friend has a 'rio carbon' (4gb) 14.35.50 # you can only browse by id3 14.36.24 # and when you're listening to a song, and you go to the files, it doesn't go to what you're currently listening 14.37.02 # so for example I listen in shuffle mode, and it goes to a song i like, and i decide to listen to the album... I have to browse from start :( 14.37.08 # PITA :) 14.39.30 # Amiconn and HCl: agree that iriver boot time is horrible. But 15-20 seconds is merely annoying, while over 1 minute is unbearable. 14.39.51 # anywayyyy so ... Well I'll think about it. Maybe I won't buy a 340 today... 14.40.11 # thanks and see you guys 14.40.12 # ! 14.40.17 Quit BoD[] ("zglutekss") 14.43.30 Join tucoz [0] (~543059d4@labb.contactor.se) 14.43.35 # hi 14.44.36 # I changed the status in the device chart for h110 from no to partial for rockbox. Thought it was correct, but now I can't find a build for h110. 14.44.55 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.229) 14.46.33 # tucoz: Indeed the link is not yet there 14.46.46 # ...and the 2005-07-09 daily for h120 didn't work either 14.47.00 # * amiconn prods Bagder 14.47.53 # k 14.48.15 # hmm, this cgi-client is not showing what i type 14.48.37 # Need a build, or do you build your own versions? 14.48.44 # I opened up a new tab i firefox, and the input line disappeared 14.48.56 # no, i don't need one. I have a h120 14.49.03 Join webguest81 [0] (~54bd57e6@labb.contactor.se) 14.49.39 # There is a bug in the cgi client that shows only a very short input line if the colour chooser to the right isn't open 14.49.53 # Click on the '<<' to the right 14.50.11 # it's back, I closed the other tab, and it's back 14.50.11 # Then the input box will be as wide as fits before the chooser 14.50.30 # ahh, ok. will keep that in mind 14.50.31 Quit webguest81 (Client Quit) 14.51.55 # anyway I just used the firmware patcher to patch to boot v3 . Never used that before. Worked as a charm 14.52.07 # Nice :) 14.52.22 # Of course I tried it myself before posting (with 1.65 EU) 14.52.45 # Do you also still get the behaviour that switching on with the remote starts the original fw? 14.52.51 # of course, would not have thought you didn't. 14.53.05 # hmm, i'll try and find my remote. Never use it 14.53.25 # I also tried to patch all other versions I could get hold of and verified the checksums again by hand 14.54.33 # But the links on irivers offical site are not working 14.54.41 # yup 14.54.44 # had to find the firmware on the nordic site. 14.54.54 # Seems they have abanded us for good ;) 14.55.00 # I used different links, us and european sites work 14.55.07 # (but do not provide all firmwares) 14.55.31 # ok, the official one is a hell to browse. 14.56.02 # I'm missing H120 1.65US, H100 1.65K and H100 1.65US 14.56.27 # But iirc, they have dropped the tilted look. 14.56.41 # appearance 14.56.48 # (and H100 1.63K, but Linus didn't provide patched checksums for H100 1.63 versions) 14.57.14 # Ok, don't the yankees get to use the 1.65? 14.57.37 # The korean site has all of them listed, but the links don't work 14.57.37 # we should probably start to mirror the firmware before it disappears.. 14.57.38 # weird that you didn't find it on the us-site 14.57.56 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.57.57 # The links only show a korean error message 14.58.03 # HCl: definitely 14.58.29 # ..and there are japanese versions of the firmware too 14.58.47 # (probably with the different FM frequency range) 14.58.51 # amiconn, yes. Unfortunatley the remote boots iriver fw 15.02.24 # wonder what verson the honk kong sites offers 15.02.30 # doesn't tell 15.03.50 Join DarkLord [0] (~darklord@lns-vlq-17f-81-56-185-64.adsl.proxad.net) 15.04.12 Join BBub [0] (belzebub16@dsl-082-082-243-088.arcor-ip.net) 15.04.52 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.08.20 # sent a message to iriver using their online form. 15.08.29 # That their download links are broken. 15.09.27 # knowing them, i wonder if they'll even care to read it (sadly) 15.09.51 # DarkLord: really? 15.10.11 # Never contacted them before, so I wouldn't know 15.10.35 # well i did contact them in the past and all i get was premade answer (2 times) or no answers at all (2 times also) 15.10.49 # that was a year ago so maybe it's changed 15.12.20 # DarkLord: ok, that's too bad. But this is an issue that concearns a lot of people. Not just me. 15.12.27 # that's true 15.12.36 # maybe your's did as well 15.12.41 # yours 15.12.57 Quit PaulJ (Remote closed the connection) 15.13.00 # no, that was my player which was broken 15.13.11 # obviously not important enough :) 15.13.42 Join webguest22 [0] (~3efe0020@labb.contactor.se) 15.13.50 # Anyway, it might seem like they have ditched us for good this time ;) 15.13.56 # * DarkLord nods 15.14.02 Join ripnetUK [0] (~mirc@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 15.14.11 # afternoon all - what's up with the daily build page on the web site? 15.14.28 # works for me 15.14.30 # 'noon 15.14.32 # the latest build is shown as 7th and there is no latest link for the iriver 15.14.58 # that's because there's 2 different builds for h110/1150 and h120/140 now 15.15.05 # amiconn said something about that. I think Bagder is the man to fix that. 15.15.34 # OK - as long as someone knows about it and it's in the queue 15.15.35 # Use the bleeding edge for now 15.15.50 # if you like to upgrade 15.16.20 # damn i might be dumb, but i can't manage to compile that... a shame 15.16.25 # well I *should* be doing other things today rather than playing with the latest RockBox :-) 15.16.26 # DarkLord, you're DarkLord in the forums? 15.16.33 # aye 15.16.38 # webguest22, tell me about it 15.16.51 # Do you have a h110= 15.16.51 # = 15.16.55 # yup 15.17.07 # Do you get it going? 15.17.25 # you mean the firmware ? 15.17.32 # yes, rockbox 15.17.41 # nah it bothers me about a missing file 15.17.59 # ok, so you build it your self then. 15.18.08 # yes 15.18.13 Quit webguest22 (Client Quit) 15.18.25 # it shouldn't be a problem normally since i always do that (i'm on linux) 15.18.41 # but here, there's some pb... i'm checking the compiler atm 15.19.02 # Ok, so your'e used to the toolchain 15.19.15 # grrr, you're 15.19.40 # yes, but not familiar with the motorola compiler used there 15.19.58 # using the fwpatcher on linux... i don't even try :) 15.20.26 # me neither. I just booted into windows for the first time in ages, and gave it a go 15.20.40 # :) 15.20.43 Join Infirit [0] (~infirit@82-217-42-235.cable.quicknet.nl) 15.20.43 # [darklord@Asgard bin]$ make 15.20.43 # cpp0: config.h: No such file or directory 15.20.43 # CONVBDF 15.20.43 DBUG Enqueued KICK DarkLord 15.20.43 # make[1]: /home/darklord/rockbox/tools/convbdf: Command not found 15.20.43 # make[1]: *** [/home/darklord/rockbox/bin/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 127 15.20.44 *** Alert Mode level 1 15.20.44 # make: *** [all] Erreur 2 15.20.47 Quit Infirit (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.20.48 # here's what i get 15.20.52 # run make in tools 15.20.54 # if you've got any idea... 15.21.02 # it says to not do 15.21.06 # yep, that's the most common issue 15.21.10 # cd tools 15.21.12 # make 15.21.17 # (1) make in tools (2) you need to configure 15.21.33 # okidok 15.22.27 # arf my mistake indeed 15.22.51 # i'm so used to the eternal ./configure && make that i didn't try make after i seen to not do the configure :) 15.23.19 # so you got it compiling then? 15.23.38 # DarkLord: i also have a h110 so tell me if it works flawless ;) 15.23.47 # while i'm on it, is Normal ok or should i take Bootloader ? 15.23.59 # BBub >> no pb :) 15.24.07 # not bootloader 15.24.14 # thx 15.24.23 # that was what i took, just to be sure 15.24.47 # cc1: Invalid option `strict-align' 15.24.47 # make[1]: *** [/home/darklord/rockbox/bin/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1 15.24.47 # make: *** [all] Erreur 2 15.24.49 # that will compile the bootloader, which you wouldn't want to compile on youre own. 15.25.18 # what compiler version do you have? 15.25.21 # DarkLord: you've compiled the cross compiler etc? 15.25.27 # Using m68k-elf-gcc 2.95.3 (295) 15.25.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 15.25.47 # you should definitley compile a 3.4.x one 15.25.49 # gcc 3.4 is recomended 15.26.06 # even 3.3 gives some errors 15.26.15 # the os has gcc4 by default 15.26.29 # that will not work for now 15.26.47 # Just follow the steps on the link Maxime pasted 15.26.58 # k 15.27.04 # and build yourself a new m68k 15.27.17 # could you paste that link again? 15.27.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 15.28.05 # thx 15.28.27 # good luck guys, got to go. 15.28.34 # thx & cya 15.28.40 Part tucoz 15.28.47 # i hope the gcc3 won't conflict with gcc4 15.28.55 # i need the gcc4 for other dev tools 15.28.59 # http://www.jens-arnold.net/Rockbox/rockbox-h100-20050709-1525.zip if someone with a H100 wants to try. 15.30.03 # Btw, the cross compiler won't conflict with the native gcc 15.30.21 # thx :) 15.30.40 # I had m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 on cygwin when the native gcc was 3.3.3 only 15.30.45 *** Alert Mode OFF 15.33.27 # dang... i've to remove gcc4 15.34.35 # Huh? 15.35.03 # either i must install it locally, either gcc4.x will conflict with gcc3.x 15.35.47 # You will need the m68k crosscompiler for compiling for target 15.35.55 # i already have this one 15.35.58 # That won't conflict with native gcc, either version 15.36.07 # that's the gcc version which is not good as far as i can see 15.36.23 # (at least, according to the wiki) 15.36.41 # "GCC 4.0 does currently not work with Rockbox. Don't try it unless you are prepared to fix the Rockbox code to work with it. Don't bother us with questions on how to fix it. If you're not up to it yourself, then stay with 3.3.4." 15.36.53 # Just build m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 and leave your native gcc 4 installed 15.37.14 # i try to rebuild the cc then 15.37.16 # Yes, that means a gcc4 *crosscompiler* doesn't work 15.40.46 # Oh, and btw, you can even have more than 1 gcc version of the same kind (e.g. 2 native gcc versions or 2 m68k-elf-gcc crosscompilers) 15.40.49 # Just build them with different prefixes so they go into different dirs 15.41.01 # Then you can switch between them by changing the search path 15.41.16 # yes that's an idea 15.43.38 # k i must go i'll finish that later 15.43.46 # thx for help :) 15.44.05 # i'll hang back here later today surely 15.44.41 Quit DarkLord ("Leaving") 15.51.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.57.34 # we should fix gcc 4... 15.59.57 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.59.57 # * HCl goes to take a peek at his todo list 16.02.55 # sorting is tricky.. 16.12.10 Join leoncamel [0] (~leoncamel@219.238.107.98) 16.12.28 # hi .. 16.13.05 # does anybody using PCF50606 before ? i got some problem with it . 16.13.46 # what? 16.14.15 # philips PCF50606 chip. 16.14.43 # a battery charging chip.. 16.15.15 # it seems H340 using it . 16.16.22 # ah o.o 16.17.43 # is there anybody got experience on how to using pcf50606, or charging ? 16.18.23 # whats the problem with it exactly..? 16.18.31 # isn't iriver charging handled by hardware..? 16.19.09 # is there any H340 hardware document ? 16.19.31 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents 16.21.04 # okey. thanks 16.21.51 # is there any detail hardware document ? 16.24.32 # can i run linux on H340 ? 16.25.01 # does anybody porting linux to H340 ? 16.27.36 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-214-59.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 16.29.34 # no. 16.29.44 # we're not interested in porting linux 16.30.19 # okey . 16.34.02 # what OS does it use ? 16.43.11 # Great, the "Open Source Jukebox" got great arch.. 16.44.52 # it would be more scalable if it using Linux . 16.44.58 # i think . 16.48.20 Quit ripnetUK () 17.01.52 # not really. 17.02.31 # why is it that people think that porting to linux to $random_device will make it do everything they want it to do? 17.03.33 # ouch, there is definately a bug in file buffering.. codec buffer used: 35/30 MB :D 17.03.42 # :P 17.04.53 Join tucoz [0] (~543059d4@labb.contactor.se) 17.05.37 # Slasheri: could it be that on track change and track is not in buffer that the pcm data don't get flushed before the new track starts playing? 17.06.13 # that issue that rockbox plays a few seconds from the previous track 17.06.30 # sometimes, not all the time though 17.07.02 # yes, that is possible 17.08.59 Join godzirra [0] (~shawn@c-24-131-13-213.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 17.09.35 # ok, I haven't noticed this when the track is buffered, so I thought that might be a possible solution. Although, it's probably a bit more complicated than that. 17.11.31 Join DomZ [0] (~52426222@labb.contactor.se) 17.18.52 Part tucoz 17.25.48 Quit dakiller () 17.37.14 Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax_@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 17.37.44 # okey, now i got the 2200 mAh battery inside 17.39.30 # ello 17.43.32 Join spiralout [0] (~keep_goin@p54B3BC8E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.49.38 Join [1]Moos [0] (DrMoos@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 17.51.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.54.55 Join ac [0] (~5448f3c8@labb.contactor.se) 17.55.06 Join RotAtoR [0] (~e@c-67-162-206-66.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 17.56.11 # hi all 17.57.49 # i think, that we should use http://www.wxwindows.org/ for our windows/linux apps 17.58.23 # hmm.. whatever happened to Qt ? 17.59.16 # qt is also possible... 17.59.50 # i have nerver done anything with qt.. i only know how to code with wxwindows 18.00.16 # oh, wxwindows looks good. gets my vote, especially if we have a dev here who knows it already! 18.01.29 # fine 18.01.47 # so, there's a couple of things I could work on. 1- pcm vu meters (still trying to get my head round the pcm_playback/playback/dsp architecture); songdb.pl user interface for windows; and a Pacman plugin ;-) 18.02.14 # i will convert the fwpatcher to wxwindows 18.02.22 # ac - good call! 18.02.50 # ac - it's pretty windows-centric code at the moment by the way (ie Win32 system calls rather than standard c stuff..) 18.03.07 # songdb.pl interface.. will it be done in c( ) ? 18.03.46 # ac - dunno. i'm not going to touch songdb until someone says what the active version is (perl, c, or java). i'm staying well away for now.. 18.03.54 # it's just a mess 18.04.16 # ah ok 18.04.48 # mm, maybe i'll first make Sokoban preload all levels into memory on iriver rather than access disk each time.. 18.05.03 # * ac plays with the ipod shuffle of this girlfriend 18.05.19 # stripwax_ nice idea 18.05.43 # * stripwax_ never understood the point of an mp3 player without a user interface.. 18.07.00 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.07.00 Nick [1]Moos is now known as Moos (DrMoos@m214.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 18.07.53 Quit Chamois (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.08.20 # but i must say that the user interface with the led's is done very good 18.08.42 # hi ac: yes tagdb'll be done in C noby working on it i believe 18.09.32 # Moos: will it be a win32 app? 18.10.19 # i don't no what he planed exactly, i know just he have begin to convert 18.10.33 # *had 18.10.49 # we should use wxwindows for our gui apps 18.11.22 # propbably 18.11.59 # i will convert the fwpatcher tonight to wxwindows.. so it will run on linux/windows/mac 18.12.12 # have you got any news about your FM port for iriver? :) 18.12.17 # ac - gimme a yell if you need a hand with anything! 18.12.18 # oh good 18.12.25 # FM port? 18.12.31 # radio 18.12.38 # for irivers 18.13.22 # Moos - is someone writing a plugin or something for that at the moment? 18.13.37 # my electrical devices hate me 18.13.44 # ;) 18.14.02 # don't know i doubt it 18.14.06 # on my home pc there was a head crash of my hdd... now some nice iriver code is dead 18.14.17 # :( 18.14.29 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (a2b0y@82-43-212-52.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.14.33 # condlince 18.14.39 # condolence 18.15.17 # i believe anyone worked on it for don't duplicate your works 18.15.26 # i hope my bdm is coming soon 18.15.57 # i have added a patch to the patchtracker... i2c reading 18.16.11 # i dont know if it works... but its a nice start 18.16.24 # cant test it.. 18.17.56 # i can't sorry 18.18.42 # congratulations for your new futur BDM for your nex rockbox port :) 18.18.54 # *new 18.18.55 # the i2c reading stuff can i test when i am starting iaudio coding... 18.19.12 # a good 18.20.01 # i don't know if the core devs are looked at your i2c codes 18.20.22 # i have told linusn that there is a patch 18.20.39 # so.. sooner or later he will look at it 18.20.49 # indded 18.21.23 # but he is a bit busy with the A-B marker patch 18.21.36 # and he just do new booloader 18.21.44 # for the H110... 18.22.02 # *bootloader 18.22.20 # i know 18.24.07 # have you got already your new iaudio? 18.24.22 # what's iaudio? 18.24.57 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@chan530-a091.otenet.gr) 18.24.58 # ac: x5, right? 18.25.30 # jep 18.25.57 # hehe very good choice, have you got it? 18.26.04 # already 18.26.17 # jep.. its a very nice player 18.26.17 # stripwax_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioX5HardwareComponents 18.26.30 # i am waiting for my bdm 18.26.40 # hi Bagder 18.26.52 # I'm not really here :-) 18.26.56 # :) 18.31.43 # see you... time to go 18.31.45 Quit ac ("CGI:IRC") 18.45.39 # Bagder - ah, ok. thx for the link 18.56.09 # :) 19.03.29 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.05.13 # hrm. 19.07.02 # HCl - sup? 19.07.21 # (by the way, is that an 'ell' or an 'eye' at the end?) 19.08.08 Quit StrathAFK ("Client closed") 19.09.07 # bored.. 19.11.12 # trying to help dumb people.. 19.11.44 # HCI - is that HCI or HC-lower-case-L ? 19.11.51 # lowercase L 19.11.55 # HydroChloride 19.12.05 # HCl yeah, wasn't sure tho (using a pants font) 19.12.33 # HCl - I'll stop calling you HCI then ;-) 19.12.59 # :P 19.23.59 # stupid people are frustrating.. 19.24.06 Join XavierGr [0] (~c15c96cb@labb.contactor.se) 19.26.23 # * stripwax_ used to work in tech support - never agin 19.26.34 # lol. 19.26.36 # yea.. 19.27.39 # people can be so incompetent 19.27.54 # like they can't think 19.28.06 # HCl - wanna get something off your chest? :-p 19.28.15 # :P naw. its okay 19.28.20 # i'm mostly bored 19.28.25 # and out of boredom i started helping people 19.28.40 # which wasn't such a good idea cause they were all rather dumb :/ and i get frustrated quickly when people are being dumb 19.30.57 # heh.. 19.31.06 # after repeating myself at least 3 times they finally got it.. 19.31.24 # wow, only 3 times? they can't be too dumb then! ;-) 19.31.28 # :P 19.31.33 # ah well 19.31.35 # they can't help it... 19.31.39 # but its still frustrating :/ 19.31.42 # yeah they can 19.31.44 # they can get a fucking clue 19.31.54 # ive been doing desktop support at a big investment in city 19.32.03 # and they're all as stupid as 2 planks 19.32.13 # crashd - unlucky, I just work in one. Hey, I'm probably one of your dumb users! ;-) 19.32.18 # nah.. intelligence is fairly fixed.. you can't really train it.. 19.32.26 # stripwax_: i hope not 19.32.31 # ;) 19.32.33 # crash_ hurhur 19.32.45 # <]RowaN[> christ look at this: http://news.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/spl/hi/pop_ups/05/uk_number_30_bus_bomb_aftermath/img/3.jpg 19.32.49 # doesnt happen to be a certain dutch i.b does it? 19.32.49 # <]RowaN[> ppl still alive on the top deck 19.32.50 # what? 19.32.50 # ;) 19.33.02 # oh. 19.33.03 # the bus. 19.33.15 # yea.. 19.33.42 # * HCl goes back to being bored :/ :/ 19.33.59 # i should probably read up on how playlists work in rockbox.. 19.34.01 # crashd - nope, american. you're ok then 19.34.10 # * HCl prods amiconn or Bagder or other people who might know about that. 19.36.50 # * HCl searches for his to-watch anime list 19.39.48 # there we go, entertainment 19.45.44 # ahh. anime's in which bad guys are getting slashed into tiny little bits of meat are always good 19.48.37 Join solex_ [0] (~jrschulz@c146039.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.49.45 # up till the point where it freezes.. ofcourse.. 19.49.48 # * HCl prods his xbox 19.51.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.54.59 # what anime title you watch? 19.56.16 # hcl, is your database thing mp3 only atm? 19.56.52 # no 19.57.43 # * HCl bites xbox 19.58.52 # * HCl makes mental note; buy proper ethernet cable for xbox 19.59.05 # XavierGr: let me check 19.59.10 # samurai.. something. its cool. 19.59.20 Quit solex (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.59.27 # samurai champloo 20.20.04 # hey I cant find the test record from the debug menu of iriver 20.20.17 # did they removed it? 20.20.46 # try search? although i think its in root 20.21.56 # search root? 20.22.23 # I remember that in debug menu there was a choice to test the recording capabilities of the iriver 20.23.19 # hmm do you mean the output file or the test feature? 20.24.14 # in the debug menu there was a record menu that gave you line-in or build in record 20.24.45 # yeah, is it now there for you? 20.24.53 # no 20.24.57 # I cant find it 20.26.27 # i have it 20.26.36 # debug > pcm recording 20.27.23 # info>debug> pcm recording? 20.27.33 # but my build is 2 days old, so something might have changed 20.27.35 # yes 20.27.39 # oh 20.28.01 # then I shall try an old release because I cant find it in the latest 20.29.48 # my build is 050707 0224 20.30.58 # yeah I found it now 20.31.09 # on newest build? 20.31.16 # no in the older 20.31.21 # okey 20.31.40 # I will couple the line-in with the line out and I will try to record while playing an mp3 :) 20.32.45 # not been able to get this to work myself, it always crashes my player after a few seconds 20.33.27 # oh so there is not only me who thought of it 20.34.31 Join fogtunder [0] (arkoeris@catv-50638f1f.catv.broadband.hu) 20.38.20 Part fogtunder 20.38.42 # bored.. 20.38.43 Quit XavierGr ("CGI:IRC") 20.39.04 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 20.50.03 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 20.51.06 # hey linus 20.51.18 # people had problems with the v3 bootloader 20.51.18 Join tucoz [0] (~543059d4@labb.contactor.se) 20.51.33 # it still booting the original firmware with remote play on.. and it saying bootloader v2, iirc 20.51.37 # amiconn: i can start rockbox with the remote on both h110 and h120 with the two bootloader-h1x0.bin files in the wiki 20.51.54 # LinusN: short press starts rockbox, long press starts iriver 20.51.55 # then i guess fwpatcher.exe is bad 20.52.05 # It's not the patcher, I tried both 20.52.08 # methods 20.52.18 # to patch the firmware 20.52.40 # rec short press starts iriver 20.52.54 # *rec plus short press 20.52.56 # i just downloaded the two .bin files and patched by hand 20.53.12 # they say v3 and does not boot iriver 20.53.14 # I did that now, it was me that edited the wiki 20.54.28 # So, does long press on play on the remote start iriver's fw for you aswell? 20.55.29 # hmmm 20.55.52 # yes it does 20.58.04 # i wonder why 20.58.49 # Does the H110 behave in the same way? 20.59.03 # yes 20.59.15 # ok 21.05.19 Join bill2or3 [0] (bill@cerberus.protovision.com) 21.06.09 Join Chamois [0] (~Florian@i01v-62-35-66-23.d4.club-internet.fr) 21.11.58 # hmmm, seems to be a bug in the adc or button driver 21.15.58 Quit Stryke` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.24.38 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 21.26.22 Quit Coldtoast (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.27.06 # LinusN: good luck with the bug chasing. 21.27.38 # I think I'll go out for a walk. 21.27.43 Part tucoz 21.29.15 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 21.37.14 Join DangerousDan [0] (~Miranda@194.22.60.59) 21.38.15 Quit spiralout ("ChatZilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 21.38.34 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 21.48.33 # found and killed the bug 21.50.31 # yay. 21.50.46 # you didn't capture it and release it outside? you murderer! :P 21.51.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.07.40 # hmm, i need the korean 1.63 firmware for h110 22.08.18 # oh, i need all of the 1.63 firmwares for h110 22.08.40 # hm 22.09.23 # http://drivers.softpedia.com/get/FIRMWARE/Iriver/Iriver-H110-firmware-163.shtml ? 22.11.18 # hmm, doesn't work for me 22.12.44 # the dl doesn't start, and the mirror is the iriver site 22.14.24 # k 22.14.31 # then i dunno:/ 22.15.25 # it's annoying, i can't release a new fwpatcher without the 1.53 md5sums 22.15.28 # 1.63 22.15.54 # :/ 22.18.37 # cats rule 22.21.22 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@hmln-d9b8e19a.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.21.30 # re 22.21.32 # LinusN - is iriver's site down? 22.21.41 # yes 22.21.44 # does somebody use audiograbber? 22.23.44 # i did in the past 22.23.54 # but exactaudiocopy is far superior ;) 22.24.19 # eac causes errors on my machine 22.24.25 # muesli- what sort of errors? 22.24.28 # eac is awesome 22.25.13 Nick stripwax_ is now known as stripwax (~stripwax_@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 22.25.33 # muesli-: maybe its just an aspi isue? 22.25.39 # *issue 22.25.40 # files are copied with 100% quality but my mp3s hat strange noises 22.25.48 # had 22.25.57 # and you're using Secure mode? 22.26.01 # ah, thats probably due to wrong settings 22.26.02 # yepp 22.26.07 # hissing 22.26.52 # muesli- did you try ripping to WAV files, to see if it's just an mp3 encoding bug? 22.27.44 # good idea 22.27.49 # should try this 22.27.50 # http://www.stud.fh-hannover.de/~beckmarc/eac/index.php.htm 22.27.54 # yeah.. 22.28.07 # although its in german you can see my used parameters 22.28.25 Join tucoz [0] (~543059d4@labb.contactor.se) 22.29.02 # ahh, that was a nice run. And nice to come back to a bug less 22.29.03 # muesli- are you using AccurateRip ? 22.29.16 # dunno..tried some month ago 22.29.25 # it 22.30.00 # if you are using it, it will setup eac's drive options with the right settings (c2, cache, and offset) 22.30.19 Part LinusN 22.30.25 # but that's unlikely to be the problem, really, - just a very good idea, especially offset 22.30.47 # dunno too much about the settings...just used this manual.. 22.30.59 # and eac doesnt support --gap :-/ 22.31.09 # --gap? 22.31.26 # eac just passes whatever settings you want to whatever encoder you want. eac doesn't do any encoding itself 22.31.53 # i wrote an email to the author and he told me it's not supported 22.33.01 # I dunno what --gap does. but if it's an mp3 encoder option can't you just put it in "additional command line options" ? or is it a way of specifying a fixed gap (in which case I'm not too surprised it's not supported...) 22.33.18 # yeah, thats true too 22.33.37 # --gap should be used to prevent gaps ;) 22.36.35 # when you're just listening to music on shuffle, how often does the drive spin up?(iriver) 22.36.42 # can it buffer a whole song? 22.37.08 # it can buffer about 10 songs.. 22.37.21 # I didnt realize there was that much memory 22.37.24 # 16megs? 22.37.28 # 32MB 22.37.31 # nice 22.38.09 # 10? 2 much if you ask me ;-) high quality mp3s are at least 5mb in size ;) 22.39.13 # heh 22.39.31 # anyone ever attempted hacking the iaudio M3? 22.39.44 # muesli- high quality OGGs are much smaller, dude :-p 22.39.50 # does anyone know anything about how rockbox handles playlists and how one would add files to the current playlist? 22.40.02 # but drain the battery more ;) 22.40.41 # linus left.. 22.40.45 # floam guess not and cant imagine that will ever happen 22.40.46 # muesli- well, they spin the drive less often, so not necessarily ;-) 22.41.02 # HCl - no idea, sorry 22.41.07 # I've wired a drive access LED to my H340 22.41.16 # it's all still apart, but it works 22.41.22 # HCl - just see what the Insert End (etc) code does? 22.42.23 # muesli-: why not? there was a huge discussion about it two weeks ago 22.42.37 # where? 22.42.39 # here? 22.42.48 # yes 22.42.59 # Hmm, Linus went away... :/ 22.43.02 # ah ok..it was mho 22.43.10 # only 22.43.13 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioM3HardwareComponents 22.43.22 # ashes on my head :D 22.43.34 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050614.txt 22.43.59 # LinusN: In case you read the log - I do have H100 1.63US and waht-I-believe H100 1.63EU 22.44.38 # does the new bootloader introduces itself as v2 on your machines too? 22.44.55 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioM3Info 22.45.59 # floam didnt know this and didnt expect that rbx will be ported on m3 to be honest 22.46.34 # amiconn: this is a h110 1.63 from the japanese site http://www.iriver.co.jp/support/down.php?article=151 22.46.55 # the M3 is very similar to some irivier players in terms of hardware 22.47.02 # don't know if that is the korean version, or do they make a japanese as well? 22.47.10 # and has a few nice things like larger firmware space 22.47.48 # muesli-: No, the v3 bootloader displays 'v3' 22.48.02 # thats not an issue..rbx needs only some bites for booting 22.48.04 # amiconn 22.48.06 # strange 22.48.08 # I guess the need for rockbox on the m3 is less than the need on iriver 22.48.31 # the people that make the M3 are good about having monthly firmware releases and they support a lot of requested stuff 22.48.34 # like FLAC 22.48.44 # i've checked md6 checksum and they are identical with one from the wiki 22.49.17 # amiconn could you please email me your v3, please? 22.50.08 Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") 22.50.10 # amiconn: do you have anything against me checking in the java songdb source into cvs? 22.52.41 # HCl it's a good idea ... 22.55.22 # floam: fyi, a port for the x5 might be in the works. If you would like to see a port to the m3 you can start by finding out as much as possible about it. Find reference manuals for the components and so on. 22.56.42 # oh, looks like a lot has been made already 22.56.48 # in that department 22.57.16 # yea, but i need to check whether there are people against me doing that 22.57.39 # cause when i proposed the new database a lot of people were against it too, so i want to be sure before doing anything o.o 22.57.54 # I got the impression that ppl were surprised that it *wasn't* in cvs ... 22.58.16 # i mostly didn't check it in cause its like... 90 sourcefiles at the very least? 22.58.20 # its far from pretty 22.58.21 # eeeep 22.58.37 # tucoz: there are a bunch of pictures of the m3 and datasheets for all the chips 22.58.40 # iirc, a lot of people didn't like it when it were in cvs. but that might have been the binary 22.58.42 # on the rockbox wiki 22.58.53 # tucoz: mhm.. 22.59.30 # floam: yes i noticed. But, someone with a m3 has to start working on it. Like, write a bootloader for it etc. 22.59.47 # HCl: so I can see if your'e confused on what to do :D 23.00.47 # HCl how about checking in the specs rather than all the source? and link the source from the wiki? 23.03.19 # HCl: but it would be nice for you, to lower your burden of bug fixes. 23.04.08 # although it is perfectly possible to fix it now, as the source is in the jar, but cvs is a lot nicer in that sence 23.07.13 # stripwax: what do you mean? 23.07.13 # tucoz: i guess... 23.07.13 # ping. 23.07.27 # mhm. 23.07.42 # * HCl got disconnected for about 3 minutes.. 23.09.17 # Maybe someone with a mistic river account can ask for help regarding the broken downloads for the firmware. 23.09.19 # HCl - i kinda mean, a full description of what it does, files format, etc, rather than 90+ files in cvs. but if the source is in the jar, then I guess don't worry about cvs at all 23.09.44 # i'm not sure what you mean with a full description.. 23.09.47 # you mean code comments? 23.10.34 # i mean, description of what the java code is doing differently than the songdb.pl. unless i've misunderstood the whole conversation, of course! 23.10.36 # Like, gather working ones. 23.11.01 # the whole format of the database is described on the wiki extensively... 23.11.15 # i don't think i've forgotten anything on there 23.11.45 # * stripwax goes to read the wiki.. 23.12.56 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.229) 23.12.57 # remind me why we need a perl AND a java version again (and a C version..) 23.13.21 # I get the point that it is unwanted with several different tools that do the same thing. Hard to maintain 23.13.31 # cause i hate perl and it became unmaintainable 23.13.52 # the c version is because some people would like the database to be generated on target... godknows why 23.14.04 # Here's a thought - if we have just one version, then (as alxcm pointed out), a cross-platform UI would be easy e.g. wkWindows. 23.14.25 # HCl: that is a good thing. I often forget to run it on host. 23.14.26 # * stripwax personally thinks UIs in java look like shit on Windows operating systems.. :-( 23.14.35 # lol 23.14.39 # well it depends 23.14.46 # swing on 1.5 looks good 23.14.51 # tucoz: it would only be a good thing if it would be able to read the old database 23.14.53 # stripwax: java 1.5 looks better than it used to 23.15.28 # tucoz - hmm.. 23.15.49 # HCl: I mean generate a new db on target. 23.16.08 # Why would we want to read the old database? 23.16.38 # because it would save a lot of work and you could only add the files that have been changed/added 23.16.58 # HCl oh you mean prev database rather than prev database version? 23.17.02 # yes 23.17.06 # me too 23.17.17 # sorry 23.17.18 # oh, does the C version not even do that? that's pants 23.17.29 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.17.31 # the C version is very new 23.17.32 # as far as i know it doesn't.. 23.17.36 # and not working yet 23.18.12 # Bagder: do you have anything against me checking in the java version into cvs...? 23.18.35 # But having the framework in place is good start though. But I know a lot of people like perl for parsing, so I get the point of having a perl db generator. 23.18.46 # I've already written that I would like it in CVS 23.18.53 # okay 23.18.58 # possibly in its own module 23.19.02 # even if its over 90 sourcefiles? 23.19.03 # ah. 23.19.04 # since it is... excessive 23.19.05 # how would i do that? 23.19.12 # * stripwax chuckles 23.19.17 # HCl: now it's the time to write: major commit coming up 23.19.39 # tucoz: it'll take a while anywho, part of it is binary only, gotta fetch the sources off the sites 23.20.06 # Hm, if the target generated the db itself, we wouldn't have to worry about any platform-dependent user interfaces at all.. 23.20.23 # it will be very slow on target 23.20.30 # you're forgetting that target generated databases will most likely be slow and drain the entire battery 23.20.48 # unless they only do what you said. 23.21.04 # it'd still be slow.. 23.21.06 # but yea. 23.21.10 # and no major changes have been made of course 23.21.25 # i think its pointless to do it like that, the runtime database code can easily handle new files and add them to the tagdatabase on the fly 23.21.28 # HCl is that just because we CRC everything? 23.21.30 # it only doesn't have tag reading code 23.21.39 # like deleted the entire collection, and copied a new one to it. 23.21.41 # partly.. 23.25.53 # Hm, why is the tagdatabase separate from the rundb? 23.26.00 # HCl: so that will be a feature of the runtime db. cool. 23.26.36 # yea. it shouldn't be hard to add, really. 23.26.41 # given that the tagdatabase already has a File Entry table 23.26.51 # you'd just play a song thats not in the database, and it would add it 23.26.53 # * stripwax simply doesn't understand so is surely stupid 23.27.02 # hehe, cool 23.27.05 # the tagdatabase can also be empty... 23.27.54 # Then the tagdb on target is pointless? 23.28.18 # hmm.. guess I'd misunderstood the File Entry table then (not a list of Files, huh?) 23.28.35 # well. the runtime database would only add files that have been played and aren't in the tag database 23.28.45 # it would be annoying to have to play all your songs in order to create a database 23.28.46 # tucoz: you still might want to browse files via tags 23.28.56 # that too. 23.29.04 # the runtime database won't be able to update the browsing bit. 23.29.14 # hmm, I don't get it. 23.29.17 # aside from it showing in all songs 23.29.42 # could somebody email me bootloader v3 1.65eu? 23.29.42 # Ok: someone able to tell me why the tagdatabase doesn't just automatically contain an entry for all files?! why do we need a *separate* rundb?? 23.30.04 # stripwax: because we want to be able to generate a new db without ruining the rundb 23.30.20 # since that is done on host, and the rundb on target 23.30.20 # yea. 23.30.37 # But if the runtime db adds entires to the tagdb, why won't they show up when I browse by id3db 23.30.49 # Yeah, but the rundb contains pointers into the File Entry table in tagdatabase so ... huh? 23.31.00 # because it doesn't have the memory to keep track of artist<->album<->song relationships 23.31.14 # the runtime database can add a fileentry, add a runtime database entry 23.31.21 # and possibly it could also add a basic tagdb entry 23.31.53 # HCI no what I mean is, whatever logic is being used to maintain the pointers between tagdatabase and rundb - couldn't they just be used to keep track of entries in the tagdatabase so we don't even need a *separate* rundb? 23.32.14 # no, we couldn't. its so we can make a new tag database without destroying runtime database info 23.32.29 # trust me, the database design is really quite advanced and thought through 23.32.45 # well, not quite advanced but fairly advanced. 23.33.00 # HCl when would you want to delete the tag database and start again though? 23.33.25 # ok, I just thought that the runtime added an entry to the tagdb. Then that functionalty could be used to scan the db. But, it seems you know what youre talking about, and I'm not :) 23.33.48 # stripwax: when you added files and want to be able to browse them using the database? 23.34.32 # HCl why does that need to delete the old tagdatabase? why wouldn't that just add to it? i'm not sure I understand why putting rundb info in the tagdatabase (which I know you don't do) is bad 23.34.50 # unless you delete the tagdatabase. which you just try not to do? 23.34.53 # at the moment it deletes the old tagdatabase 23.35.05 # the java tool can be easily adapted to read in the previous one 23.35.07 # HCl ok - so if it didn't, wouldn't we only need one db? 23.35.14 # HCl: So, that is were the hashing is used. To distinguish between files, so that regardless of browsing method, the same file will be added to the runtime db. 23.35.16 # as for the perl version, it would be pretty much hell to read in a previous one 23.35.28 # no. 23.35.57 # ok :/ 23.35.59 # tucoz: among other things.. hashing is used so that regardless of moving files, they will keep their runtime info 23.36.08 # the no was directed to stripwax 23.36.20 # also, if you have duplicate songs, they share their runtime info 23.36.25 # at least. they're supposed to. 23.36.33 # we're not quite managing hashing by music data yet 23.36.40 # oh, that is really great. 23.37.28 # HCl - thanks. Hmmm, good point on the sharing the runtime info. So maybe if there was a hash table in the tagdatabase (mapping hashes to runtime info), and if the tools didn't delete the old tagdb when creating a new one, then would that mean we only need one db? 23.37.43 # Man, you have made quite an effort in thinking this thing through. I'm impressed. 23.37.56 # stripwax: i'd really rather not risk the runtime info getting corrupted by an malfunctioning tool.. 23.38.13 # why are you so focused on making it a single file? 23.38.20 # If you had duplicate songs from different CDs, then they wouldn't share runtime info would they? Not by hash anyway, because they'd surely hash differently 23.38.38 # depending on how we hash, but probably not. 23.38.52 # i added tmi support which tries to hash by resulting music 23.38.55 # HCl :-) no reason. Just trying to work out why it's a separate db rather than just a separate table in the same db 23.39.01 # but that turned out to be worse than just hashing with crc32 23.39.13 # mostly because we want to be able to generate the tagdatabase from scratch 23.39.19 # without needing the player 23.39.21 # But the musicbrainz hashing isn't failsafe either (iirc). 23.39.21 # a lot of users 23.39.26 # have a copy of their music collection on their pc 23.39.32 # and want to generate their database off target 23.39.36 # without having access to the old one 23.40.00 # tucoz: yea, i definately noticed that. i implemented the musicbrainz hashing in the java tool a while ago, i removed it again.. 23.40.02 # HCL does that mean that the PC-side tool is dog-slow? 23.40.17 # well. as long as you're on usb2 its not too slow. 23.40.41 # HCl I thought you just said it generates the database off target from a copy on their PC? 23.40.57 # some people do. 23.40.59 # not all people 23.41.03 # but i take it it re-reads all the tags of all the files every time it is run 23.41.11 # i generate it on the pc using my player as harddisk 23.41.13 # at the moment, yes. 23.41.23 # i should probably add support for a previous database in the java tool. 23.41.39 # but its hardly a priority 23.42.23 # HCl: I think the java tool is fairly efficient. Not too slow at least. 23.42.31 # lol. 23.42.36 # efficient, not really XD 23.42.41 # but yea, its not too slow XD 23.42.50 # i mean. seriously. its horridly inefficient 23.42.51 # but yea xD 23.43.05 # n8 mates 23.43.06 # mostly due to the lack of a proper backend for reading tags 23.43.35 # i use 2 backends at the moment, one for reading tags and another for figuring out playtime... 23.43.46 # someone really needs to write a single good backend :/ 23.44.04 # or explain to me how to get playtime from an mp3/ogg normally.. 23.44.09 # Have you scoured the internet for such libraries? 23.44.13 # yup. 23.44.16 # HCl - ogginfo ?? 23.44.23 # guessed you had 23.44.34 # anywho 23.44.40 # the current solution works till we get something better. 23.44.52 # ogginfo is just a standard ogg tool, and it outputs everything I'm sure you'll need to know 23.45.02 # i can't rely on external tools.. 23.45.10 # why not? 23.45.14 # what, like a JRE? :-p 23.46.09 # i don't really regard jre as an external tool, but yes, i'd like to keep the external dependencies on 0 if possible 23.46.29 # the perl version requires perl. The java requires JRE. If you had a small tool to spit out tags, that wouldn't be so bad. But I know what you mean. 23.47.11 # i guess 23.47.13 # ogginfo and mp3info spits out tags. so, ? 23.47.21 # the tag reading backend that i have at the moment is pretty good anyways 23.47.29 # its mostly the problem of getting the playtime 23.47.52 # the current tag reading backend comes from an iriver db generation tool written in java 23.47.57 # HCl well I guess you could reimplement the guts of ogginfo into Java but I don't really see the point 23.48.02 # mhm. 23.48.04 # As an end user of the tagdb, I think it's definietly ok in terms of speed. 23.48.14 # well 23.48.25 # at some point i'm hoping to get rid of the bigger and more broken part of the backend 23.48.34 # which bit's that? 23.48.44 # the bit that figures out playtime 23.48.57 # Ok, well the cvs commit is a leap in the right direction at least. 23.49.01 # yea 23.49.09 # Bagder: how do i make a new module or something? 23.50.00 # http://www.cdt.luth.se/~peppar/presentations/cvs/slide10.html 23.50.10 # is that what you're looking for? 23.50.38 # hm 23.50.39 # maybe 23.50.52 # but i'd like to confirm it with Bagder anyways before i mess something up.. 23.51.09 Join ac [0] (~5078751e@labb.contactor.se) 23.51.13 # :) 23.51.17 # hi 23.51.32 # hi 23.51.34 # hello. 23.51.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.51.39 # does anybody know a tool to make schematics like this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverSchematics 23.52.46 # i guess linus would know 23.53.01 # HCl does the java tool work with 'free' linux JREs e.g. classpath/blackdown/..? 23.53.03 # yep... but he isnt online :( 23.53.19 # stripwax: not sure 23.53.22 # mmm 23.55.15 # stripwax, isn't suns JRE free? Or do you mean open source? 23.55.46 # * tucoz is not that lectured on licencies and stuff like that 23.56.10 # tucoz - i mean the kind of JRE that Freenet users or Debian hippies would want to use 23.57.03 # http://www.sdn.or.id/share/Debian-Doc/manuals/java-faq/ch5.html 23.57.24 # stripwax: ok, so even if suns JRE is free in the sence that you don't have to pay to use it. It's not free in the sence of freedom 23.58.05 # "free as in beer, not free as in speech" 23.58.08 # the source is free 23.58.22 # however, you're not allowed to change it 23.58.27 # about what java tool are you talking? 23.58.29 # alxcm - what, the source code for Sun's Java Runtime Environment is free? 23.58.34 # * stripwax didn't know that.. neat 23.58.40 # yeah, it comes with the JDK 23.58.45 # well, the stuff that's in java 23.58.49 # not sure about the native methods 23.58.55 # the C stuff 23.58.58 # ac: tagdb