--- Log for 10.07.105 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 29 days and 22 hours ago 00.00.12 # alxcm - heh, good luck. they're really not that simple. The JRE includes the JVM 00.00.32 # so the hippies want a free JVM as in open source 00.00.52 # Blackdown 00.00.54 # tucoz - it doesn't have to be open source. it just has to be 'free as in speech' i.e. no fascist licensing requirements 00.01.06 # blackdown == open source 00.01.06 # * stripwax wonders if fascist is too strong a word here... 00.01.18 # But that's Debian hippies for yuo 00.01.20 # its fairly decent, too 00.01.32 # anyway, you all are talking about ogg playback? 00.01.44 # no the tagdb 00.01.46 # alxcm - right, which was why my original question was, does the tagdb java code work with blackdown... 00.02.34 # i use Sun's JRE ;) 00.02.44 # i could try it with blackdown soon if you want tho 00.04.19 # will this fix issues with the playback of long oggs? 00.05.41 Quit muesli- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.06.16 # ? 00.06.20 # what? 00.06.43 # alxcm - playback and tagging are, like, totally different issues 00.06.44 # on my ihp120, under rockbox 00.07.07 # alxcm: no, this is only the generation of the tag data base. 00.07.08 # i figured since you were talking about playtimes, it might be a little relevent 00.07.24 # i guess the codec determines playtime differently? 00.07.54 # Yikes. Does the playback code rely on the 'playtime' reported by the tagdatabase? i'd hope not. I'm certain the codec determines playtime by just reading the entire file until there's nothing left 00.07.57 # i can't use the rockbox codecs in my db generator 00.07.59 # stripwax: no it doesnt 00.08.09 # (I meant to figure out when to change track) 00.08.17 # its merely for statistics, and for searches. 00.08.25 # because "long" OGG files sound really corrupted when played back on my ihp120 00.08.38 # long being 24ish minutes 00.08.57 # but rockbox is in no way demanding the tagdb to exist to work, right. 00.09.39 # i wouldn't know 00.09.42 # alxcm - ah, right. Sorry, I thought you were talking about the issue where it changes to the next track to early. (which I guess might be fixed anyway) 00.10.04 # alxcm - I've got a ~22 minutes OGG track - do you think that would work or fail? I'll try and see if it sounds corrupted 00.10.09 # try it 00.10.20 # the length is the only thing right now that seems to cause problems 00.10.36 # i took a vanilla mp3, decoded it to wav, encoded it to ogg with oggenc, no issues 00.10.52 # took a 24 min ogg, decoded to wav, reencoded with oggenc, sounds awful 00.10.59 # like overlayed static or something 00.11.30 # Hm.. a One-Hour ogg and it sounds fine. 00.11.39 # freaky 00.11.48 # i'll upload one of the ones that sounds horrible 00.12.01 # sounds just perfect. Maybe a bug in your ogg encoder? Which one are you using (and which version): 00.12.01 # this is yesterday's daily build 00.12.13 # oggenc from vorbis-tools, latest version 00.12.19 # hmm, I don't get this blackdown site. It's linking to suns jre 00.12.31 # incidentally, they all play back fine under iRiver firmware 00.12.54 # alxcm - "latest version" == what version though? 00.13.16 # alxcm hmm strange. I've got a bunch of oggs that don't play on iRiver that play fine on Rockbox so .. ? :-) 00.13.18 # I got my 340 back together, now with a hdd activity light 00.13.25 # *whew* 00.14.21 # /bin/sh: oggenc: command not found 00.14.24 # bah 00.14.30 # alx@phoenix alx $ oggenc -v 00.14.30 # OggEnc v1.0.1 (libvorbis 1.0.1) 00.14.54 Quit ac ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.15.15 # alxcm - rioght. I'm using oggenc 2.3 (libvorbis 1.1.0) which came out nearly a year ago I think ... ;-) 00.15.26 # upgrade, dude ... 00.15.59 # odd, i got mine from portage 00.16.13 # should be up to date 00.16.50 # we're on libvorbis 1.1.1 these days.. 00.18.04 Join austriancoder [0] (~austrianc@80.120.117.30) 00.18.06 # re 00.18.35 # HCl: You wanted to know how to change a commit message for a file after commit? 00.18.41 # alxcm - maybe portage is just horribly out of date. 00.18.42 # anyway, stripwax, there's the file 00.18.52 # stripwax: it shouldn't be tho...i will have to send them an ebuild 00.18.53 # alxcm thanks. downloading... 00.19.04 # cvs admin -m: 00.19.11 # ? 00.19.19 # hm.. can normal users use admin commands? 00.19.21 Quit Harpy (Connection timed out) 00.19.25 # This book http://neelix.net/download/doc/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E.pdf was very helpful for me to learn CVS 00.19.31 # HCl: i should hope not 00.19.32 # It's freely available 00.19.47 # HCl: I already did that; works for me 00.20.09 # I guess only some options of 'cvs admin' are available for us 00.21.31 # alxcm - hmm, should I be getting more than 1KB/s off this download?? :-( 00.21.34 # * austriancoder is converting the fwpatcher to use wxwindows 00.21.54 # austriancoder - I thought someone else was doing that? 00.22.21 # stripwax: yes... 00.22.27 # is it that bad? 00.22.40 # alxcm yes 00.22.52 # 923 bytes/sec now! this is gonna take months.. 00.22.57 # austriancoder: See how you are confusiing people with your 2 nicks? 00.23.06 # stripwax: ac == austriancoder ... so.. yes.. i am doing it ;) 00.23.18 # hmm 00.23.21 # uh, ok! 00.23.22 # don't worry about it then 00.25.28 Join DarkkOne [0] (~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 00.26.04 # bbl all 00.26.44 Part DarkkOne 00.26.47 Join DarkkOne [0] (~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 00.27.44 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@JRAF.org) 00.27.47 # Hellooow 00.27.58 # hey Bod 00.28.10 # today I bought a iriver h340 00.28.21 # i'm so sorry :( 00.28.31 # :_) 00.28.53 # it's ok 00.28.57 # your first iriver? 00.29.01 # yep 00.29.04 # why 00.29.05 # ah 00.29.25 # no reason ;p 00.29.34 # the h3x0 series looks nice. My brother got one, and it felt nice. 00.29.36 # I can see it as a possibility if there's not a h140 available ghode. :-P 00.29.45 # i really wonder if the creative zen is good 00.29.53 # cause... it's a lot cheaper 00.30.04 # 3x0 series is just way too big for my liking 00.30.12 # and it has a juggle thingy 00.30.14 # colorscreen is icky... 00.30.29 # zen touch is supposed to be good, but it does have mass storage :( 00.30.41 # doesn't ? 00.30.46 # yea, i often completely forget that there are actually players that aren't mass storage 00.30.47 # the lack of ums drives is scary 00.31.00 # ghode|afk: does not have usb mass storage 00.31.04 # a lot of mp3 players aren't usable as mass storage 00.31.05 # really scary 00.31.14 # i'm glad i bought my h140 when i did 00.31.15 # it means i nead a special driver to put music on it? 00.31.17 # weird thing is, the ipod can be ;p 00.31.25 # Has any company actually ever put forth a claim as to why they choose not to? 00.31.30 # * DarkkOne wants a 140 00.31.34 # creative - yes 00.31.46 # or it might have, but you need to use some special program to transfer your files to the unit. 00.31.55 # i.e. music files 00.32.00 # iirc 00.32.04 # ok 00.32.10 # my flatmate has a creative player 00.32.12 # reason why i didnt go for the karma, seemed to have everything apart from ums :( 00.32.13 # just like the ipod 00.32.14 # and he can't use it as a harddisk 00.32.22 # ghode|afk: same, and it only being 20gb 00.32.22 # cause the only feature I liked is "usb host" 00.32.28 # yeah and 20gb 00.32.43 # but with rockbox iriver is much better anyways 00.32.46 # sigh 40gb not enough, got only 40meg free atm >< 00.32.47 # HCl: that is why I went for the h120 among other things 00.33.03 # which I'm happy for these days. 00.33.13 # ghode|afk: upgrade? 00.33.37 # i dont feel the 60gb is worth it atm, which is like 130£ 00.33.42 # *nods* 00.33.57 # most of the price of the iriver is cause of the harddisk 00.34.02 # hmm thats actually might be the 30gb, not looked at the price in a while 00.34.26 # my music collection is 13gb.. the only reason why my player is almost full is cause of copies of movies and such.. 00.34.32 # (i'm gonna try the picture viewing capabilities now) 00.35.00 # by the way there's a silly limitation on the usb host function 00.35.06 # The screen on the h3x0 series looked very good. 00.35.13 # you can't copy a directory recursively :/ 00.35.25 # yeah i carry around loads of programs/files on my player. even have cygwin on it >< 00.36.09 # BoD[]: what do you think of the size? 00.36.26 # ghode: it's "think" :) 00.36.36 # heu 00.36.40 # thick 00.36.41 # it's not that big compared to the h120 00.36.49 # the opposite of thin 00.36.52 # :/ 00.37.07 # It felt solid. 00.37.27 # My general theory is "if it fits in the lower pocket of my cargo pants, and doesn't cause them to fall off, it's not too big" but I'm not a huge "small gadgets are better gadgets" kinda person. 00.37.28 # camt remeber where i saw this, but size wise, does the h140=320? 00.37.41 # hmm 00.37.45 # * amiconn just watched some demo videos on ipodlinux.org 00.37.48 # I think the h140 is actually a little thinner 00.37.52 # fuck i just copied 20 gigs of the wrong folder .... 00.38.08 # even though it is a tiny bit bigger than the 120, the 140 is still smaller than the 320 00.38.09 # doh ;p 00.38.15 # took me about 40min 00.38.19 # Booting linux takes ages compared to rockbox boot 00.38.26 # hehe 00.38.30 # haha 00.38.49 # linux takes ages compared to windows boot also. at least on my machine 00.39.00 # thegeek, good good, glad i didnt go with the 340. altough 140+leather case = huge size :( 00.39.18 # That's weird. Booting Knoppix off of a CD tends to take less time than a clean install of windows on most computers I've tried it on. 00.39.35 # What linux tucoz? 00.40.17 # suse 9.3 00.40.17 # Slow boot of portable devices like daps and cellphones is annoying. For me ~ 10 secs is the bearable maximum 00.40.53 # there's no zoom in the picture viewer :( 00.41.02 # Aaah, I've only tried suse once, and that was a livecd. Don't remember it well though. 00.41.30 # in fact 00.41.46 # I think what it displays is the thumbnail information inside the jpg file 00.41.48 # BoD[]: Talking 'bout iriver H3xx firmware? 00.41.52 # not the actual file 00.41.55 # amiconn: yes 00.42.50 # another silly thing 00.42.57 # you click "navi" 00.43.16 # then you're browsing your files.. but you can only play music files 00.43.54 # if I go to my pictures folder the pictures are filtered out.. I have to go to the main menu and chose the picture view icon 00.44.04 Quit tucoz ("CGI:IRC") 00.44.18 Join tucoz [0] (~543059d4@labb.contactor.se) 00.44.37 # h120 compared to a h3x0 http://prigal.free.fr/hfr/1.jpg 00.44.46 # http://prigal.free.fr/hfr/7.jpg 00.44.57 # it's a bit thicker, yes. 00.45.10 # as our bootloader will support in the near future some other players too, wouldnt it be nice to make a wizard out of our fwpatcher? 00.45.49 # (doesn't support progressive jpg either) 00.46.15 # BoD[]: Progressive isn't supported in the rockbox jpeg viewer either 00.46.32 # (which currently works on archos only) 00.46.43 Quit courtc (Connection timed out) 00.47.01 # e.g. on the first page to select player to use - 2nd page: browse orginal firmware and patch 00.47.04 # hmm i remember markun's greyscale hack allowed you to view jpegs 00.47.28 # ghode|afk: Yes, but only with the 4 (native) grey levels 00.47.31 # austriancoder: sounds like a good idea 00.47.50 # I wouldn't call this a real image viewer 00.47.58 # tucoz: fine 00.48.03 # austriancoder: The major thing about fwpatcher is reliability 00.48.08 Join courtc [0] (~courtc@adsl-158-37-246.asm.bellsouth.net) 00.48.31 # The current implementation detects the platform based on the unpatched firmware's md5 sum 00.48.46 # sure.. 00.48.47 # That way someone can't click the wrong thing, right? 00.48.54 # but 00.49.05 # but the patcher is aimed at end users, and all safety measures is good. 00.49.06 # the bootloader will support in the near time iaudio x5 00.49.09 Quit webguest97 ("CGI:IRC") 00.49.19 # austriancoder: Yes, so what? 00.49.22 Join webguest51 [0] (~53afb0c2@labb.contactor.se) 00.49.28 # and it would be fine to use the fwpatcher too 00.49.50 # Yes, that would be simple 00.49.53 # in this picture the h1x0 looks like a beast compared to the h3x0 http://www.iriver.co.jp/images/supporter/40_51/pic1.jpg 00.50.02 # It'll have its own set of MD5s, so it should be able to detect that the firmware you pointed it at is for the iaudio x5 and not something else, from the sounds of it, so no user input but a filename would be needed, right? 00.50.16 # DarkkOne: yup 00.50.45 # guys.. let me some time and i will try something 00.50.51 # So the only necessary user input is pointing to the firmware file, reducing the possibility of user error to a minimal. 00.51.16 # So, what's the benefit of the wizard if the file/platform can be detected? 00.52.13 # The comfort of getting the feeling you have done something right for the user. 00.52.30 # DarkkOne: The current fwpatcher even does a double check. It detects the platform of the unpatched firmware based on the md5 sum, patches it with the bootloader, then calculates the md5 sum of the patched file and compares it to the matching table entry 00.53.06 # Instead of a lot of stuff happening without you knowing it. Like, browse, patch -> patched. Hmm, did I _really_ do it right? 00.53.07 # If any of these checks fails, it won't report a successful patch, and won't change the input file 00.53.35 # please wait until i am done.. 00.53.44 # hehe 00.54.03 # So what you COULD do, is have a dialogue. You select the file, click okay, and it pops up a confirmation (rather than a wizard) that says "This firmware is detected as IHP-120 ver 1.65US" so the user knows it's right that way? 00.54.29 # I will admit, when I ran fwpatcher, I was very very nervous. 00.54.48 # I mean, h120s aren't the easiest things to come by these days. 00.54.57 # hehe, I trusted amiconns work. Still, I was a bit nervous when I flashed it. 00.55.20 # DarkkOne: I admit the feedback is a bit minimalistic. 00.55.27 # Yeah, it's not a complaint by any means 00.55.38 # And it's nice to have the MD5s posted on the page so I can do my own before/after checks. 00.55.54 # so either dialogues, and/or wizard is a good thing. 00.56.14 Join Rori [0] (MO-Pantsu@deadman3000.plus.com) 00.56.29 # hay guyz http://ramarquesv.nerim.net/iPod%20Flea.WMV 00.57.59 # <]RowaN[> neeed.. too. orrder.. new .. 30gig iriver hd.. anyone know a place that mite have stock? 00.59.58 Join BBub_ [0] (belzebub16@dsl-082-082-242-068.arcor-ip.net) 01.01.52 # dapstore.com? 01.02.15 # anyone seen a guy called "paul", who was working on a full Rockbox installer for Windows iriver users? 01.02.29 # ]RowaN[ - www.span.co.uk ? 01.02.42 # ulp.. www.span.com 01.02.58 Quit kaouete ("upgrade") 01.03.10 # stripwax: Why another installer 01.03.11 # ? 01.03.21 # amiconn - don't ask me, ask "paul" 01.03.38 # There already is an installer; it's merely necessary to extend it a bit to include iriver 01.03.43 # he said he wanted to have cmdline control over fwpatcher.exe (remember?) 01.03.56 # so we added it? not heard from him since tho 01.04.10 # his installer was also automatically downloading latest rockbox 01.04.18 # ...and that's a thing that shouldn't be done before the first official release 01.04.25 # ...imho 01.04.37 # you mean should be done, right? 01.04.47 # nope 01.05.02 # so the first official release is one that doesn't have a proper installer? 01.05.26 # Someone should run a poll, I imagine more people waiting for release are already using it than aren't. 01.05.41 # No, i mean it shouldn't be done before doing the first release, i.e. the first release should have it, but no builds before that 01.05.43 # It being Rockbox iRiver h120 01.06.41 # <]RowaN[> span are out of stock 01.06.50 # amiconn - understood. obviously it would have to be written *before* the release tho. I thought you meant no-one should even work on it until after the first official release (which is why it seemed odd to me) 01.06.53 # <]RowaN[> sapstore are out of sock 01.06.54 # <]RowaN[> stock 01.06.57 # <]RowaN[> dapstore 01.07.00 # <]RowaN[> <- drunk 01.07.05 # hmm, span say 7 days. can you wait a week 01.07.12 # <]RowaN[> nah thats a lie.. 01.07.19 # * stripwax needs a new hdd too.. it's dying a slow death.. 01.07.19 # <]RowaN[> coz when i emailed them they say they dunno when theys getting em 01.07.43 # hmm 01.08.24 # alxcm - heh, 75% of your ogg has now been downloaded :-) 01.09.15 # ]RowaN[: Some german offers that show 'in stock' status: 01.09.18 # http://www.mix-computer.de/mix/shop/productDetails.html?&artNo=ABDT06& 01.09.28 # * Rori just had to replace his hdd. 250Gb with another 250GB. Gonna RMA the other one. 01.09.31 # http://www.alternate.de/html/shop/productDetails.html?artno=ABDT06&artno=ABDT06& 01.09.45 # Not sure whether these shops ship abroad 01.09.54 # <]RowaN[> thanks 01.10.02 # <]RowaN[> not sure which shipping method to pick.. better email em 01.10.40 # Another one: http://www.cssc.de/shop/product_info2.php?partnerid=6&products_id=8198240 01.11.40 # anyone got a working url for 1.65eu? ;o 01.12.36 # <]RowaN[> cssc.de seem pricey 01.17.16 Quit BBub (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.17.55 # I am thinking of buying a laptop, but have no clue what to buy. The different processors, etc. All got different names, but same freq. Anyone happen to know where one can see these compared? 01.18.25 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC") 01.18.40 Quit BBub_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.54 # tucoz - tomshardware.com ? 01.19.11 # google? 01.19.50 # google is great, but right now it's a jungle. As is tomshardware 01.21.13 # tucoz - k then, buy a centrino laptop (i.e. pentium M,) with 802.11g and >4 hours battery life :-) 01.21.19 # like centrino, pentium m 01.21.23 # and give this article a read, http://www.anandtech.com/mobile/showdoc.html?i=1800 01.21.47 # centrino=pentium m? 01.21.58 # tucoz - centrino isn't a processor. it's a system specification. pentium m is a processor 01.22.04 # stripwax thanks 01.22.22 # sure 01.22.47 # Yeah, laptops pretty much depend on whether you want battery life, or desktop-replacement power. 01.23.09 # * stripwax would go for battery anyday, since he has a desktop too anyway 01.24.01 # Yes, seems like a good idea. So, how are the graphic chips these days? radeon 9700 or x300? 01.24.02 # See, I went for power. I mean, I still get about 2:30 on the batteries. I just don't like sitting at the desktop anymore. 01.24.33 # DarkkOne - don't get me wrong, I just hardly ever use the desktop any more 01.24.44 # tucoz i'm still back in the dark ages with a 9600pro 01.24.58 # I used to be a PC Gamer, and I expect I'll probably be so again one day. 01.25.07 # mmm, i think i'm about to disappear, not sure. i'll be back if it looks like i vanished 01.25.35 # Right now though, I'm reading through sourcecode trying to relearn C the hardest possible way. 01.25.41 # gnight. 01.25.44 # night 01.25.52 # Cya 01.30.56 Quit DarkkOne ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 01.31.51 Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 01.34.24 Quit stripwax_ (Client Quit) 01.36.34 Join memmem [0] (~user@p54A21775.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.40.30 Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 01.43.49 Part tucoz 01.43.56 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.46.42 Join BBub [0] (belzebub16@dsl-082-082-242-068.arcor-ip.net) 01.47.19 Quit austriancoder ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 01.48.58 Quit hicks (Remote closed the connection) 01.49.32 Part memmem ("ERC Version 5.0.3 $Revision: 1.726.2.17 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 01.50.28 Join ashridah [0] (ashridah@220-253-121-28.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.51.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.01.46 # has anyone managed to fix vorbis playback? 02.02.07 # what's wrong with it? 02.02.19 # it's broken 02.02.36 # oh 02.03.34 # :_) 02.19.36 Quit stripwax_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.27.40 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@chan530-a102.otenet.gr) 02.33.35 # ashridah: What's the problem with vorbis? 02.34.01 # I just built h120 rockbox from current cvs, and vorbis is working just fine 02.42.34 # it crashes here, i mentioned it on the mailing list in the thread about resampling vorbis files 02.43.16 # i play one, no matter what the sampling rate, and it dies with I03: AddrErr at 32F0004E 02.48.38 Quit Moos (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Leading Edge IRC") 02.51.12 # ashridah: which build? 02.52.23 # cvs head for the past day or so 02.52.42 # at least. it's been a few days since i've played an ogg file, unfortunately 02.52.54 # but yeah, current CVS head has it for me 02.55.56 # how does one get a symbol map for rockbox anyway? 02.56.30 # .map files are always created when building 02.56.53 # aha 02.57.32 # well, it's crashing someplace in codec_start then 02.59.53 # ookay. i just used make clean, and now the sodding bug's gone 03.00.02 # could have sworn i'd already done that, damnit. 03.02.48 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 03.06.40 Quit ]RowaN[ () 03.21.12 Join DarkkOne [0] (~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 03.21.58 # ashridah 03.22.16 # in thursday's daily build ogg worked 03.22.25 # alxcm: i've already fixed it. 03.22.29 # lol 03.22.49 # but there were some oggs i have that had extreme static overlayed 03.22.51 # * ashridah gets a distinct office space feeling coming on 03.23.09 # but yeah, dsp resampling is probably still broken 03.23.20 # well short oggs play fine 03.23.26 # longer ones tend to have static 03.23.34 # one i tested was 24 minutes 03.23.46 # took an mp3, decoded to wav, encoded with oggenc, played fine 03.23.58 # took a long ogg, decoded to wav, encoded with oggenc, problems 03.24.20 # Rubber Johnny rules soooooo much http://www.putfile.com/media.php?n=rubjohn 03.24.39 # alxcm: so the long mp3 didnt have the effects the long ogg had? 03.26.05 # hrm. the player's refusing to play the oggs i've got that are 32KHz at all atm. the hard drive grinds madly, but it doesn't start playback 03.26.17 # standard speed oggs play fine. 03.26.18 # weird 03.26.23 # ok so 03.26.32 # could just be the oggs in question, they're generated in a semi dodgy manner iirc 03.26.55 # doesn't matter, i'll play with it more later, since i've got to leave now 03.26.56 # I just bought a 400eur iriver h340 03.27.17 # i wanted it because i needed the usb host function 03.27.41 # but I just understand that it's not compatible with my sony camera 03.27.57 # so it does not work. 03.28.06 Quit ashridah ("gone, bbl") 03.28.14 # so I'm officially pissed off 03.28.23 # i'm so gonna return it 03.28.30 # your cam needs a special driver then 03.28.51 # well it doesn't 03.29.09 # it's seen as a "mass storage device" 03.29.27 # so why doesn't the iriver see it I don't know 03.29.41 # thats weird then 03.30.24 # weird and f***** annoying 03.30.44 # * alxcm yawns 03.30.46 # sorry 03.30.56 # BBub: i should really try a long mp3 03.32.00 # What kind of sound is it. Like, does the distortion continue from a point all the way to the end of the file, does it start at the same point every time, etc? 03.32.42 # continues all throughout 03.32.55 # it's sort of a crackling 03.33.37 # i know next to nothing of audio processing or its effects, but if i HAD to guess i'd say that there were gaps in the buffer 03.34.07 # Does the crackling occur at say, lower quality settings as well? 03.36.25 # i'm using defaults 03.36.27 Quit BoD[] ("fuck") 03.36.29 # which are quality 3 03.36.54 # but the iriver firmware plays them fine 03.41.34 # I'm not really sure I understand what you said about the mp3->wav->ogg vs ogg->wav->ogg thing. The ogg worked, then you converted to wav then back to ogg, and it didn't? 03.45.18 # re-encoding is evil 03.46.00 # * DarkkOne agrees. 03.47.27 # My CDs go to FLACs. I burn the FLACs w/ tags to a few DVDs. If anything's ever wrong with a file on my player, I dig up the appropriate DVD and reencode from the flac. Once it's lossy, it's just not a good idea to return from that place. 03.49.00 # why would you store it on a dvd? just take the audio-cd and encode from there ;) 03.49.12 # DarkkOne: no, the ogg never worked 03.49.27 # i just made sure to go right from a confirmed working wav to an ogg encoded by the same oggenc 03.49.58 # Because if I encode to FLAC with tags intact, then even if I don't have internet access, I can repopulate my MP3 player with files pre-tagged with minimal effort. 03.50.27 # Plus, FLAC->Ogg is alot faster than EAC on the stricter settings to OGG 03.50.28 # well, you have the cd in your offline db once you ripped it ;) 03.50.43 # ok, that depends on the drive 03.50.55 # Yeah, and my laptop has a rather pathetic one. 03.51.38 # almost all laptops have sucky drives when it comes to audio-cd ripping 03.51.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.51.48 # Also, the only CD case I own is a little 20 disc one, so I can fit a much higher percentage of my music in it than I can if I just use their CDs. 03.52.39 # i have all my cds on hdd encoded with lame using --preset standard (same as --r3mix was before) 03.53.57 # I'm not much experienced with lame. 04.07.37 Join alxcm_ [0] (~alx@68-232-83-247.chvlva.adelphia.net) 04.07.38 Quit alxcm (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.11.55 # DarkkOne: if it'd help i can record the crackling 04.11.57 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 04.12.41 # Well there's probably very little I personally could do to help. But I'm thinking I'll try to reproduce it on my own. So the oggs are just default? 04.13.04 # I'll encode some of my audiobooks as ogg. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.24.36 Join edx [0] (edx@p54A8CF34.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.46.31 Join einhirn [0] (Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 13.51.04 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 13.51.04 Quit Maxime`Mrn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.51.05 Join Maxime [0] (~flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 13.51.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.00.11 Join BoD[] [0] (~BoD@JRAF.org) 14.01.40 # Hello ! 14.07.24 # hi 14.07.33 # sup? 14.07.38 # well 14.07.56 # not only the 340 usb host didn't work with my camera 14.08.01 # now it doesn't work at all 14.08.07 # hm? 14.08.08 # how so 14.08.08 # ? 14.08.32 # well yesterday when I plugged my friend's rio, it worked 14.08.39 # but now no 14.08.44 # hmk 14.08.45 # odd 14.08.50 # very odd 14.09.08 # * HCl tries to come to term with how rare his h140 is slowly becoming 14.09.12 # terms* 14.09.18 # i'm gonna return it 14.09.23 # mmm 14.09.30 # i still say to try to find an h140 on ebay, heh. 14.09.33 # but I don't know what i'll get instead 14.09.49 # where do you live? 14.09.54 # well on ebay i only found a few and not willing to ship in europe 14.09.59 # in france 14.10.09 # :/ 14.10.13 # hmm. 14.10.28 # * HCl goes to help to search 14.10.56 # hm. 14.11.10 # http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96332&item=7528945707&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 14.11.13 # there you go 14.11.19 # you could consider the iaudio x5 14.11.21 # sends worldwide 14.11.24 # iriver h140 14.11.37 # 330 euro + 8 euro shipping 14.11.44 # but the h140 has no usb host ;p 14.11.56 # it doesn't, but i can't say i miss it. 14.12.10 # nor me :) 14.12.10 # i guess it might've been useful for my pda 14.12.16 # but i can do fine without it 14.12.32 # anyways BoD[], that ebay link should work fine 14.13.17 # * BoD[] looking 14.13.27 # ppl wanting USB host support is a bit like ppl wanting optical in/out 14.13.37 # hm? 14.13.42 # h140 has optical in/out 14.13.56 # I know 14.14.01 # o.o; 14.14.03 # about the usb host, I'm gonna buy a "QPS travel one" 14.14.15 # whats that? 14.14.24 # it's like a bridge 14.14.35 # you plug your cam and your mp3 player and you can transfer 14.14.41 # ah right. 14.14.42 # nice 14.14.46 # that's what I mean; the number of ppl who bought the h300 series for the USB host is probably similar to the number of ppl who bought the h100 series for optical in/out 14.14.50 # (but of course if it's true that my cam is not "standard" it won't work" 14.14.56 # ah right 14.14.57 # ) 14.15.33 # you can buy those things that interface between 2 devices and get USB host tho if you have a h140 but you sure as hell have no way at all to get optical on a h3x0 14.15.49 # hm.. is this host feature software ?? 14.16.08 # if so, rockbox on h320 could support more devices :-)) 14.16.09 # me I don't care about optical 14.16.11 # Domonoky: yes. 14.16.30 # and I don't care about USB host :) 14.16.38 # true 14.16.40 # which is one of the reasons I bought the h140 14.16.50 # plus it's OO much nicer looking than the h300 series 14.17.03 # try and do the brushed metal mod to the h300. go on, I dare you 14.17.03 # I don't know about ebay. Never bought anything on it. 14.17.04 # :) 14.17.12 # you don't want a color screen because its unreadable when it turns the backlight off.. 14.17.32 # Does anybody know the price of a "new" 140 (when it was available) ? 14.17.44 # BoD[]: that ebay link is cheaper than when i bought my new 140 14.18.05 # in retrospect, i should've checked ebay first, but ah well. 14.18.15 # it's a good deal in your opinion? 14.18.19 # yup 14.18.26 # mine was 100 euro more expensive 14.18.31 # bod i bought mine for 250 back in september 14.18.38 # oh 14.18.44 # thats pounds though 14.18.48 # not eu ;http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=96332&item=7528945707&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW 14.18.58 # btw it's true that the color screen turning off, and then you can't read anything is annoying 14.18.59 # thats more expensive.. i think... 14.19.00 # ignore that link >< 14.19.08 # :) 14.19.24 # £250 = 400EU? 14.19.28 # something like that, yae. 14.19.31 # yea* 14.19.35 # * HCl searches for exchange rates 14.19.56 # 250*1.4710 14.20.06 # 367 14.20.08 # euro 14.20.20 # ah well not bad then 14.20.25 # that ebay link is a pretty good deal, heh 14.20.44 # well I'll keep it in my bookmark 14.20.53 # mk 14.20.54 # GTO is freaking weir, not flcl weird, but weird >< 14.20.56 # http://www.misticriver.net/photos/thumbnails.php?album=392 14.21.03 # i wouldn't delay too much with it, they're only becoming more rare 14.21.04 # I hope there won't be a problem returning the h340 :( 14.21.24 # Coldtoast: heh, how was that done? 14.21.25 # if you do decide to buy a h140 BoD[], order yourself a 2200mah 1st gen ipod battery too :) 14.21.28 # did you buy it online? 14.21.33 # HCl: sandpaper 14.21.40 # isn't the casing plastic? 14.21.45 # my 140 is black :( 14.21.49 # not the h100 series, no 14.21.54 # magnesium alloy 14.21.56 # my 140 is black too 14.22.02 # it's paint 14.22.08 # aha 14.22.13 # well, i don't mind it being black 14.22.15 # you strip the paint and use sandpaper to create the brushed look 14.22.19 # me either 14.22.21 # ghode : no in a "normal" shop 14.22.25 # but that brushed look is sure nice 14.22.33 # anyway. work time 14.22.41 # bod: ah shouldnt be too hard then 14.22.45 # coldtoast: why, there are problems with battery? 14.22.53 # there aren't 14.22.53 # ghode: I hope! 14.22.55 # nope, but its easy to do a battery replacement 14.22.57 # and they're cheap 14.23.06 # and they give you 29 hours of battery life opposed to 16 hours 14.23.08 # but what's the point ? 14.23.10 # ohhh 14.23.11 # but if you spend the ~$20US on the 2200mah battery, you get around 29hrs playtime 14.23.12 # I see :) 14.23.23 # i paid 13 euro for my battery replacement 14.23.29 # and that included shipping from hong kong 14.23.42 Quit Domonoky (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.23.48 # i'll keep that in mind 14.23.51 # :) 14.24.22 # one thing I don't like about irivers is they don't have a wheel or something to navigate fast 14.24.28 # mhm 14.24.36 # it's a bit "old school" I think 14.26.08 # hey where's the feature chart on the webpage again? 14.26.32 # oh there it is :) never mind 14.38.22 # well i navigate fine on my iriver 14.40.03 # i'm still working on being able to navigate my iriver properly 14.40.06 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.40.11 # mostly by adding a proper searchengine to rockbox 14.40.12 Join Maxime [0] (~flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 14.41.57 Join Maxime`Mrn [0] (~flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 14.41.58 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.49 # well my files are organized like this : root/Artist/year - album/song 14.42.55 # but I have a lot of artists 14.43.23 # so when go to root it's on A... If I want to reach an artist in N 14.43.24 # i have pretty much the same structure 14.43.28 # i have to scroll a lot 14.43.32 # which is not fast :) 14.43.35 # yea, i'm planning to change that soon 14.43.47 # maybe add a level for the letter 14.43.51 # like, up/down = scroll, left/right = skip to previous/next letter in the alphabet 14.43.55 # yea, exactly 14.43.57 # oh 14.44.00 # that's clever :) 14.44.52 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@chan530-a047.otenet.gr) 14.45.26 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.229) 14.51.42 Join lImbus [0] (~MDJ@port-212-202-8-34.dynamic.qsc.de) 14.51.51 Join Lost-ash [0] (ashridah@220-253-120-39.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.56.30 Join ferenczy [0] (ferenczy@208.158.broadband3.iol.cz) 15.05.53 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 15.10.23 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.43 Quit ferenczy () 15.22.47 Join ferenczy [0] (ferenczy@208.158.broadband3.iol.cz) 15.40.08 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (ashridah@220-253-120-39.VIC.netspace.net.au) 15.47.07 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 15.50.05 # hi linus :) 15.51.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.54.39 # * HCl watches a tv show about the child slavery used in the chocolate industry 15.55.04 Join DarkSnarfer [0] (~3e0ff1ab@labb.contactor.se) 15.57.58 # * lImbus gets some chocolate 15.58.10 # hi :) 15.58.19 # hey slasheri 15.58.19 # hi 15.58.31 # * HCl hasn't bought any chocolate products in ages 15.58.35 # > 30C outside, here 18C in server room .) 15.58.36 # is it important for fwpatcher to support the 1.63 version of the original firmware? 15.58.36 # hmmm, chocolate... ;) 16.09.13 # I say no 16.09.35 # just inform the user that 1.65 is needed if there is no 1.63 md5sum 16.10.14 # and that if the user wants support for his specific firmware he has to send it to you;) 16.10.41 # I dont see how you/we should be the one(s) to hunt down all the variations 16.13.33 # true 16.15.45 Quit DarkSnarfer ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.15.59 # i have hunted down everything but the korean 1.63 16.27.45 Part lostlogic ("Kernels are for popping") 16.27.51 Join lostlogic [0] (~lostlogic@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 16.28.07 Nick alxcm_ is now known as alxcm (~alx@68-232-83-247.chvlva.adelphia.net) 16.37.29 Part LinusN 16.57.23 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 17.28.28 Join psp19810506 [0] (psp8156@221.232.102.170) 17.33.21 Part psp19810506 17.37.03 # Bagder: btw, i got the simulator code now working. Still doing some tests 17.50.48 # Bagder: the wps is alive with simulator now! :) 17.51.12 # interesting is that the codec seems to be pretty slow with pc :D 17.52.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.53.02 Join asdsd____ [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-29-89.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 17.53.40 Part asdsd____ 17.54.24 # the fwpatcher wont work with h110/115-firmwares yet, right? 18.04.17 # slasheri> it would be due to missing any special DSP in the PC... 18.05.55 # my player runs at 80 MHz and [en/de]codes MP3s at bitrate 320 kbit/s 18.07.07 # so does a PC, right? 18.07.37 # well, provided with a fast MP3 encoder, that is. decodes, for sure. :P 18.08.51 # it's not fast...it's optimized for sound processing (DSP = Digital Signal Processor) 18.10.49 # well, i don't think the motorola coldfire in iriver players is considered a DSP 18.11.46 # I don't know, I don't have any iriver ;) 18.17.32 # well, my point was that the iriver can encode and decode MP3 files at bitrate 320 kbit/s, and so can do any usual PC with similar clock speeds 18.17.35 # ... unless i'm totally mistaken 18.20.06 # I have got player with a korean copy of Samsung's S3CC410 - it's an chip running at 100 MHz without or at 80 MHz with the 24bit integrated MAC DSP... 18.21.05 # pff.. how corny for the both the main characters to die at the last episode of the anime i'm watching... 18.21.18 # PC running at 80 MHz definitely cannot manage to encode MP3s at 320 kbit bitrate ;) 18.21.47 # hcl> which anime? ;) 18.21.51 # ferenczy, why couldn't it? 18.22.02 # it's not like these portable devices are encoding with LAME 18.23.57 # crwl> it's toooooooo slow ;) why don't you try it? ;) 18.24.22 # ferenczy, i don't understand you 18.24.37 # DSP is strongly optimized for audio processing - it work with an 24bit operands in one cycle... 18.25.09 # are you claiming PC processors can't do that (and more)? 18.25.45 # it's just that nobody has bothered to write and optimize a superfast (and probably, super low quality too) mp3 encoder to some crappy 90 MHz pentium because nobody uses those anymore 18.27.05 # PC do it more "brutalforce", it doesn't have any special audioprocessing instructions...(i don't mean MMX instr. and so on) 18.27.31 # ferenczy: samurai champloo 18.27.34 # and they didn't die after all 18.27.37 # it just looked like it 18.27.41 # crwl> I don't think so... 18.27.57 # hcl> ah so ;) 18.30.19 # crwl> I claim that most of portable player's CPUs have better performance for audioprocessiong than older PC at same frequency....that's it 18.31.29 # crwl> read over http://www.dspguide.com/ 18.32.50 # ferenczy, that might be true, but i still claim that an old PC could theoretically encode a 320 kbps MP3 real-time, if someone bothered to create such an encoder 18.34.33 # it would be quite useless, of course :P 18.34.45 Join bagawk [0] (~lee@bagawk.user) 18.35.52 # i've been playing random ogg files for about 4 hours now with my once-charged 2200 mAh battery, rockbox says there's 82% left 18.35.55 # quite good 18.38.02 # rockbox lies on the iriver right now 18.38.50 # ? 18.39.47 # no, the remaining battery level indicator should be accurate 18.40.01 # only the runtime is inaccurate with other than 128k cbr mp3s 18.40.20 # yes, it should maybe be toned down a little 18.40.40 # because i think nobody really just starts playing 128 cbr mp3's and leaves the player untouched then 18.40.49 # i think i will correct that next week when i will take some power measurements from my iriver 18.41.00 # it claims i still got more than 22 hours left :) 18.41.07 # then it would be accurate with all type of codecs :) 18.41.16 # hehe 18.41.34 # i'd be very happy if i still got, say, around 15 hours with this type of usage, where i occasionally change tracks and fiddle with the player, just like i normally do 18.42.09 # hm, i was actually happy even with the original battery. :P 18.42.17 # but this if even better, of course, heh 18.42.46 # i wanted a better battery before i start the civil military service (2 weeks to go :D) 18.43.18 # "civil military" ;) 18.43.35 # yeah, i am not sure how to say it in english ;D 18.43.43 # well, me neither actually 18.43.45 # but i think you got the idea :P 18.43.47 # hehe 18.44.14 # yes, i got... i got out a little more than a month ago myself :) 18.44.31 # oh :) 18.46.54 # so after those almost 13 months, i can actually do work where i get paid for :D 18.47.35 # that's nice :) 18.48.21 # after the training period i will be a sysadmin in a university the one year :D 18.48.35 # bbbbrp 18.48.46 # a dream job, kind of 18.49.02 # university of jyväskylä? 18.49.18 # yes, correct :) 18.49.57 # heh, i'm going to begin my studies there next autumn 18.50.14 # cool =) 18.50.17 # so... any new insights on the auto-shutdown to prevent the battery from draining to much? 18.51.43 # isn't there one already, or what? 18.52.21 # well the question was if the battery has its own protection or if the firmware does it 18.52.24 # Hmm, i think it has been measured that the hardware will cut off power before the battery level can drop below 3.0V 18.52.36 # nice 18.52.52 # aaaah, that 18.53.14 # hm, my battery level is still at 82%, it was at 84% about one hour ago 18.53.24 # though i don't understand why the original fw does it, then 18.53.30 # if there's hardware protection anyway 18.54.22 # CoCoLUS: i think the fw tries to prevent hdd spinup that way when the battery is too low. Rockbox should do that also 18.54.44 # And it provides a nice way to shut down the unit with telling the user the battery is empty 18.55.26 # yeah... i just asked because i noticed that the original fw did not start while rockbox was still going strong 18.55.30 # and iriver's bootloader also has that nice "battery empty" picture it shows when you try to start it up when battery is empty 18.55.33 # i've seen it once 18.55.37 # at about 15 % battery, according to rockbox 18.56.06 # 15%, rellay? 18.56.10 # *really 18.56.22 # it should be something like 0-3% 18.56.26 # yep 18.56.30 # interesting 18.56.30 # rockbox status bar showed 15 18.56.38 # maybe the iriver fw is over-protective :P 18.56.44 # yep :D 18.57.28 # but, the battery indicator is somewhat unsteady, isn't it? 18.57.55 # i noticed it going like 100-95-98-92-95... 18.58.09 # yes, because it has far more higher resolution than iriver firmware (100 steps vs 5 steps) 18.58.34 # the battery level will fluctuate depending on the player use 18.58.56 # so my 15 percent experience might have been such a fluctuation 18.59.05 # yes :) 18.59.22 # but i'm sure it was at 15, i wanted to tune in to some fm station, well... battery empty screen :) 19.01.24 # slasheri, i have another feature suggestion btw, if you have an open ear? ;) 19.01.50 # i think the default wps for the iriver should be replaced... is there any reason why only half of the screen is used? 19.02.19 # that's a good idea, the default wps for iriver is really bad i think.. 19.02.33 # well not bad, but... too short :) 19.02.40 # yes.. 19.02.49 # has the default font been changed already? 19.03.50 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 19.05.06 Join DarkkOne [0] (~chatzilla@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 19.08.52 # hm... i think i'll do my first contribution to rockbox ever, and change that iriver default wps ;) 19.11.08 Join asdsd____ [0] (~asdsd@h-67-100-29-89.miatflad.dynamic.covad.net) 19.11.13 Part asdsd____ 19.19.24 # hey 19.19.28 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 19.20.15 # just go thome from work and I'd taken my h140 with me. Noticed when I pause a track, it fades out then just befor eit pauses I get a short slight burst of sound 19.23.17 # gee. i completely forgot that tv actually also has tv shows 19.26.15 # Coldtoast: thanks, that will be fixed soon 19.28.30 # cool 19.28.31 # oh, and there was someone reporting a crash when trying to play an empty playlist file, i think. 19.28.51 # Hmm, that might be a wps related problem 19.28.59 # yep. that was Domonoky 19.29.36 # hm 19.29.39 # what's better 19.29.44 # change the default wps 19.29.47 # or change the default font? 19.30.41 Quit DarkkOne ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.4/20050511]") 19.30.46 # Coldtoast: fixed that pause thing 19.39.57 # ok 19.41.08 # hey. great tp see the next track update when using %s is fixed :) 19.42.44 # bah... 19.42.50 # i've seen futurama too many times 19.42.56 # i know exactly what each ep is about :/ 19.43.17 # no such thing as too much futurama 19.43.26 # well.. 19.43.32 # unless you know them by the little slogan in the beginning 19.43.43 # i've seen all seasons at least 4 times.. 19.46.22 # cool Slasheri. much nicer 19.46.36 Join Sucka [0] (~NNSCRIPT@host81-156-214-59.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 19.49.41 Join solex [0] (~jrschulz@d009004.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.52.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.52.43 Quit Stryke` ("Friends don't let friends listen to Anti-Flag") 20.00.25 Quit solex_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.02.15 Join webguest70 [0] (~44256200@labb.contactor.se) 20.02.21 Join MisticJeff [0] (~454460e5@labb.contactor.se) 20.03.19 # Greetings 20.04.57 # are we still looking for iriver firmware v1.65?? 20.05.45 # slasheri? 20.05.53 Quit webguest70 (Client Quit) 20.06.02 Join webguest98 [0] (~44256200@labb.contactor.se) 20.06.49 # Here's a link, hope fully what we need: http://service.iriver.co.kr/cs_view.asp?idx=481&page=0&p_name=H140D&SrchItem=&SrchString=&SrchProduct= 20.08.30 # xD 20.08.38 # every hxxx model has the same display, right? 20.08.38 # futurama filmed on location 20.08.46 # MisticJeff: i think it was 1.63. 20.10.13 Quit webguest98 (Client Quit) 20.15.32 # CoCoLUS: wouldn't the h3x0 have a different display, since it has color and all? 20.15.58 # my mistake, that was supposed to read h1xx :) 20.17.28 # oh, ok :) 20.41.09 Join LinusN [0] (~linus@labb.contactor.se) 20.42.00 # ah, linus 20.42.26 # we were thinking about replacing the default wps for the iriver 20.42.48 # with one using the whole display instead of only the upper half of it :) 20.42.57 # sure 20.43.05 # what do you think about flol's? it's quite detailed... fitting for the rockbox poweruser, imho 20.43.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/chamois.PNG 20.43.20 # where is it? 20.43.32 # hmmm 20.43.40 # I dislike that one myself 20.43.53 # why? 20.43.57 # why no tmake the default one an image WPS? 20.44.09 # I mean, seeing as how there's support? 20.44.20 # Coldtoast: because we want the default to be plain and simple 20.44.33 # why can't an image WPS be plainand simple? 20.45.04 # is the image support mature yet? or still experimental? 20.45.08 # http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/WPS.jpg is mine, for example 20.45.44 # first of all, we have 17 languages 20.45.45 # nice, though i think the white on black text could be hard to read 20.46.09 # good point linus 20.46.18 # ah yeah. I suppose for different languages. fair enough 20.47.05 # i think we should just extend the default wps with next-track info, file type and sample rate 20.47.21 # and maybe some more 20.47.22 # well then you -have- flol's 20.47.32 # OK... firmware v1.63 available here: http://rasher.dk/rockbox/iriver-firmwares/ 20.47.52 # I don't see the point of having remain, current AND length info myself either 20.47.55 # that's what i like about it, it packs alot of details on it and is still quite readable 20.48.14 # MisticJeff: i have all of them except for 1.63k 20.48.26 # for h110 20.48.35 # but i guess finding a wps which everyone likes is quite impossible :) 20.48.41 # definitely 20.48.57 # CoCoLUS: yes, that's why the default hasn't changed since jesus was bord 20.49.06 # actually, dunno why I'm even saying anything cos I have my own WPS anyway 20.49.17 # heh 20.49.27 # it's really a waste of space at the moment 20.49.33 # half of the screen is unused 20.50.34 # CoCoLUS: yes, we need to extend it 20.51.06 Join zezayer [0] (~chatzilla@82.110.136.210) 20.51.15 # btw, maybe we should include some of the wps from the gallery into the release? 20.51.33 # like the fonts 20.51.49 # maybe 20.55.38 # well, i've got a patch ready that changes the default wps for the h1x0 series to a mod of flol's wps. if anyone is interested... if not, then not. :) 20.56.06 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.40) 20.56.48 # Good bye 20.56.52 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 20.58.14 Part LinusN 21.04.26 Join tvelocity [0] (~tony@chan530-a193.otenet.gr) 21.12.53 Join Aramil [0] (~tony@chan530-a193.otenet.gr) 21.17.57 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 21.18.12 Nick Aramil is now known as tvelocity (~tony@chan530-a193.otenet.gr) 21.28.01 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 21.28.14 Join lodesi [0] (~moi@lns-p19-3-idf-62-147-152-83.adsl.proxad.net) 21.31.39 # hi 21.32.02 # could someone explain me what's the overlay thing of the rockboy plugin? 21.32.03 # please 21.34.13 # Dunno. I think it's a virtual memory 21.34.27 # HCl should be able to explain it, tho 21.34.30 # the overlay loads rockboy into the audio buffer memory 21.34.40 # because it doesn't fit in the plugin space for archos 21.35.13 # so it's impossible to play rockboy while listening to music ? *duck* 21.35.23 # mmh.. the rb->get_audio_buffer() isn't enough? 21.36.07 # lImbus: actually, it's quite impossible even without music :) 21.36.20 # lol. y ? 21.36.38 # a little too slow :) 21.37.01 # a, well. I mean it should be possible on the iriver, isn't it ? not that I would own such a toy 21.37.44 # ah yes, sorry i own a recorder, so i'm talking about it 21.39.01 # me too 21.39.07 # HCl: ok, then if I do a copy/paste of rockboy's "archos.lds", everything we'll be alright? 21.39.15 # i dunno 21.39.22 # amiconn made the rockboy overlay stuff 21.39.26 # i just own an iriver 21.39.40 # ok 21.40.40 Join Zagor [0] (foobar@h63n1fls31o265.telia.com) 21.40.48 Quit Maxime`Mrn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.43.16 # so... what about that rockboy dynarec? ;) 21.43.54 # its more efficient to implement asm versions of the most time consuming functions 21.43.57 # most likely 21.44.00 # and if that doesn't work we can add dynarec 21.46.15 # HCl: you wrote rockboy? 21.46.46 # *ported 21.46.48 # and modified 21.46.48 # :D 21.46.55 # HCl is my heeeeero 21.46.56 # * Rick grins 21.47.01 # lol, ok :) 21.47.31 # the setmallocpos() is there to act as a free() function? 21.52.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.53.47 Join DomZ [0] (~52426222@labb.contactor.se) 21.56.46 # can someone answer a question regarding the Archos JBR FM? I'm looking to get a car charger for it but don't know what the output of the adapter should be 22.01.51 Join webguest23 [0] (~d4406110@labb.contactor.se) 22.02.32 Join Maxime [0] (~flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 22.04.47 # Slasheri: bug in file tree playback, player freezes/hangs when duing the transtion from last track to next album first track 22.05.11 # mp3 files lame@aps 22.06.17 # no crossfade 22.08.16 # sound's like hardeeps dept 22.08.25 # duing = during? 22.08.38 # select last track in an album, FF, it then doesn't transition to next album first track 22.09.53 # yes duing=during, thanks 22.10.16 # ansivirus: it should be labeled 22.10.32 # webguest23: You have to have "Move to Next Folder" option enabled 22.10.41 # it is 22.10.45 # Hmm.. 22.11.33 # do you have the latest bleeding edge? 22.11.36 # FF works on me 22.11.38 # yes 22.11.56 # FF works ok 22.12.06 # oh 22.12.13 # its the transition to next track that fails 22.12.25 # yes, now i got it :) 22.12.25 # of the next album 22.12.43 # :) 22.12.51 # i really think that is not a problem with the playback code.. 22.12.57 # maybe some wps issue 22.13.27 # ok, so i change my wps to fix ? 22.13.31 # hmm, it even crashes 22.13.35 Join Dagless [0] (~51564ad0@labb.contactor.se) 22.13.44 # no, it's still a bug in the code 22.14.14 # hey guys 22.14.17 # and gals 22.14.45 # jus a quick question - has the runtime DB been implemented yet? 22.15.22 # im just playing with the WPS for the contest on mistic river and im curious if the rating and 'plays' things are actually worth using at this point 22.17.09 # its partly implemented 22.17.11 # rating and playcount work 22.18.18 # ohh! can of energydrink 22.18.22 # do i need to do anything special (other than using the runtime tags in the wps) to use them? 22.18.27 # yup 22.18.31 # you need to generate a tag database 22.18.36 # preferably using the java tool 22.18.51 # ahh right 22.21.45 Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 22.23.26 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.23.45 # HCl: just wondering, i remember you saying once that you dont need to be in idtag mode for files to generate player counts? 22.24.19 Part stripwax_ 22.24.23 Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 22.24.57 # webguest23: i think i can get it fixed :) 22.25.24 Part stripwax_ 22.31.03 # great Slasheri, thanks 22.36.21 # hmmm this wps lark is hard, i think that Aru fellow has pretty much nailed it 22.36.29 # i cant think for my life how to best it 22.36.32 # webguest23: fixed, i will commit now 22.36.42 # :)) 22.38.42 # ghode|afk: nope, you don't. you do need a tag database though. 22.39.49 # ok, got that and gather runtime data turned on 22.40.04 # then it should work 22.40.14 # for some reason the playercount seems to reset though 22.40.37 # then something is going wrong 22.40.41 # did you use the perl or the java tool? 22.40.43 # and how recent? 22.40.59 # java, just downlaoded it from the wiki 10mins ago 22.41.02 # hm. 22.41.04 # well 22.41.14 Quit Dagless ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.41.14 # you could take a peek at the logf log on the remote 22.41.16 # see what it says 22.41.32 # they're not enabled by default 22.42.02 # ? 22.42.43 # HCl: can you run this on host now? 22.43.10 # hm 22.43.14 # wha? 22.43.26 # the codecs/wps plays in the sim 22.43.29 # ah 22.43.32 # probably not yet 22.43.44 # it needs a tiny bit of keeping account of endianness 22.43.49 # ...although not without trouble it seems 22.43.54 # i'll fix that soon 22.44.06 # aside from that it should run without trouble 22.44.20 # Slasheri: you tried playing mp3s using the sim? 22.44.48 # HCl: ok, it wasnt working with ogg, mp3 seems fine 22.44.59 # hrm. 22.45.10 # i'll investigate that later.. 22.45.41 # doing that shows a few interesting things: 22.45.44 # it plays too fast 22.45.49 # Bagder: yes, it should "work" 22.45.52 # it writes the config sector VERY often 22.46.04 # Bagder: of course, because there is no real audio output controlling the speed 22.46.30 # Bagder: i think currently the files "play" waaaay too slowly on pc 22.46.42 # ? 22.47.06 # Bagder: shouldn't they get decoded at the maximum cpu speed the host has? 22.47.23 # or how the cpu speed is controlled in the simulator? 22.47.43 # the cpu speed isn't controlled at all in fact 22.48.05 # ok, then the codecs are very slow on pc or there might be some other problems.. 22.48.22 # but why does it save the config sector so often? 22.48.27 # with my P4 2.8 GHz the files play just about 2x realtime.. 22.48.40 # I think they should play something like 100x realtime at least 22.48.54 # i don't know 22.49.23 # ok, 100x was too much.. But 20x should be possible 22.49.42 # it seems to save it once per second for the first ~7 seconds 22.49.56 # then I get a We open the real file 'archos/03 - History.mp3' log 22.50.06 # and it writes "Writing sector 3D" very fast 22.50.10 # numerous times 22.50.13 # yes, that's weird.. 22.50.17 # i get it too 22.50.35 # I suspect this reveals a target bug 22.50.52 # but I'll research further 22.50.53 # is the bootloader v3 safe to flash onto the h110/115? 22.51.00 # or did anyone have problems so far? 22.51.21 # * Zagor is troubleshooting the webserver. some downtime may occur. 22.54.14 Quit webguest23 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.54.14 Quit DomZ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.54.14 Quit MisticJeff ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.56.08 # Bagder: it was searching for the pid file location with a recursive grep in /etc/apache2. the problem is that dir also contains half a gig of log files. hence slow going... 22.56.20 # aah 22.56.40 # could you edit the path list it scans? 22.56.47 # i removed the -r 22.56.52 # ok 22.57.02 # are you running the full apt-get now then? 22.57.06 # yup 22.57.15 # I'm interested in seeing gcc 4.0 getting in 22.57.41 # yup, coming in a few minutes 23.00.27 Join muesli- [0] (muesli_tv@hmln-d9b8e186.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.01.00 # re 23.05.27 # <- running rockbox on the h110 ;) 23.05.36 # the dimming backlight is so cool ;P 23.05.36 # neat 23.05.39 # congrats mate :D 23.11.02 # "Unicode is fun - you just have to define fun correctly." 23.11.15 # :-) 23.19.39 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (~me@63.150.80.40) 23.23.28 # oh pff... 23.23.33 # * HCl bites his game 23.23.52 # no pain no game :D 23.25.24 # heh 23.34.54 # I wish when ppl posted images of their WPS online they'd take teh 5 secs required and convert them to JPG 23.35.06 # PNG is better 23.35.19 # anything that'll display in a webpage would do me 23.36.27 # jpeg is lousy for solid fields of color and thin high-contrast symbols and such 23.36.47 # you think? 23.36.50 # gif or png are appropriate, indexed png's often smaller than gif 23.37.01 # Coldtoast: its not a matter of what i think, its a fact 23.37.01 # heh 23.37.09 # http://www.3dluvr.com/edan/tmp/WPS.jpg 23.37.12 # jpegs are best for high-color complex images 23.37.13 # seems to look fine to me 23.37.33 # zoom in 23.37.37 # and see the needless dithering 23.37.42 # why would I want to zoom in? 23.37.50 # You don't, that's not the point. 23.37.56 # these shots are so small you can leave em at max quality 23.37.57 # i've never seen a jpeg look that good for that type of stuff 23.38.19 # the point is tho why are ppl leaving them as bmp? 23.38.33 # because the snapshot feature dumps to bmp 23.38.39 # laziness is the only reason 23.38.39 # i can see bmp in firefox on linux 23.38.42 # i dunno what doesn't support bmp 23.39.08 # i've only had issues with it with broken mime-types on the server 23.40.20 # also compare sizes (in bytes): 23.40.23 # 55136 WPS.jpg 23.40.26 # 7265 WPS.gif 23.40.29 # 5469 WPS.png 23.40.51 # ze:what is WPS.png pngcrushed? 23.41.03 # ze: and....? 23.41.10 # heh 23.41.38 # then compare them to bmp, which ppl are uploading 23.42.09 # I bet a 1 bit bmp can be smaller than those jpegs 23.42.46 # probably actually 23.42.53 # yeah 23.42.59 # 2560 bytes plus header 23.43.13 # hehe 23.43.36 # there's no way that's the reason ppl use bmp tho 23.43.41 # no 23.44.59 # heh 23.45.04 Join BlackRiver [0] (~liranvakn@TLV62-0-103-87.bb.netvision.net.il) 23.45.07 # that png is indexed, saved in gimp with compression 9, nothing else 23.45.14 # i didn't run pngcrush on it 23.45.32 Quit muesli- (Read error: 148 (No route to host)) 23.45.43 # some one no if there will be an rockbox for iriver h300? 23.45.52 # know* 23.45.58 # BlackRiver: Someone will eventually work on it. 23.46.08 # ze: ah 23.46.10 # ok 23.46.14 # pngcrush rocks :) 23.46.25 Quit BlackRiver (Client Quit) 23.47.37 # Rick: *shrug* usually for me it takes forever to make something thats only a few bytes smaller 23.47.49 # Rick: half the time it makes something thats bigger actually 23.47.50 # heh 23.48.32 # in fact almost always ends up bigger unless i use -brute which takes forever 23.48.57 # ze: ah, I only use -brute on smaller images 23.49.04 # and thats when it gives me a few bytes difference 23.49.05 # heh 23.49.35 # well i usually don't even bother unless its like >=500K or so 23.49.58 # or maybe 300K, depending on what it is and whatall 23.50.21 # ah 23.50.35 # I usually pngcrush anything that is basically the final version of that is in png 23.50.35 # 5469 WPS.png 23.50.35 # 5213 WPS_crush.png 23.50.40 # heh 23.50.41 # thats with -brute 23.50.44 # ah 23.50.52 # a whole 256 byte difference 23.50.53 # woo. 23.50.53 # :p 23.50.58 # -brute -rem tIME -rem pHYs -rem gAMA -rem tEXt 23.51.02 # my pngcrush options 23.51.23 # 5173 WPS_crush2.png 23.51.26 # hey bit better 23.51.29 # yeah 23.51.34 # whole 296 byte difference 23.51.34 # :p 23.51.35 # hehe 23.51.42 # I'm all for that ;) 23.52.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.54.25 Quit courtc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.39 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.58.09 # Slasheri: The somewhat 'slow' performance of the codecs in the simulator is on purpose 23.58.49 # The simulator sleeps (OS sleep) for 1 msec when a simulated yield() is issued, to prevent it running in a busy loop