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00.52.49 #       <t0mas>  <XavierGr> no I think not, though his help would be crucial. We will see...
00.52.59 #       <t0mas> jup, but my iriver isn't working properly
00.54.45 #       <t0mas> and I'm a little busy...
00.54.50 #       <t0mas> have to much things todo next to my pc
00.55.03 #       <t0mas> in school time I've got plenty of boring afternoons to do rockbox things
00.55.24 #       <t0mas> but now I'm working 5x as much as normal... and I have a lot of other things todo
00.55.26 #       <t0mas> sorry
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05.06.34 #       <XShocK> hello all
05.07.13 #       <XShocK> does anybody know how much time iriver ihp120 works on batteries, but without harddisk
05.07.43 #       <XShocK> i mean on one charge of batteries, just playing sound
05.08.38 #       <XShocK> and also, how mant "free" GPIO pins does a processor have?
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05.20.18 #       <MarcC-away> can someone recommend a good rockbox-able unit for someone who will use it for running?
05.23.23 #       <XShocK> i had only used iRiver IHP-120. and i pretty happy with it
05.25.06 #       <MarcC-away> is rockbox better than default firmware on an ihp-120?
05.26.47 #       <TCK> depends
05.27.41 #       <MarcC-away> depends on which features I'm caring about?
05.27.53 #       <TCK> I guess
05.27.59 #       <MarcC-away> heh
05.28.34 #       <TCK> the main thing I miss from the original firmware is the stability and buggyness
05.28.46 #       <TCK> but RB iRiver is still in alpha
05.28.50 #       <TCK> so that's to be expected
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05.54.36 #       <Aedaren> Is anyone there? can anyone help me figure out my first compile error?
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06.04.28 #       <Aedaren> Hello?
06.06.48 #       <XShocK> yes?
06.07.49 #       <Aedaren> Could you help me a little?   I'm trying to compile from CVS for the first time... and I always get stuck on itread.c
06.08.04 #       <Rick> what's the error?
06.08.07 #       <Aedaren> I've tried it several times, and have used two different CVS versions... no patches yet
06.08.13 #       <Aedaren> ummm
06.08.29 #       <Aedaren> in function 'it_load_sigdata'
06.08.40 #       <Aedaren> error: insn does not satisfy its constraints:
06.08.44 #       <Aedaren> then a bunch of data
06.10.38 #       <XShocK> hmm
06.12.16 #       <Aedaren> you want the data?
06.12.17 #       <XShocK> what gcc is used?
06.12.26 #       <Aedaren> m68k-elf-gcc
06.12.32 #       <XShocK> i mean version
06.12.38 #       <Aedaren> oh
06.13.22 #       <XShocK> it might be it, try updating gcc if it is old
06.13.34 #       <Aedaren> i'm not sure... I followed the instructions on the documentation page just a week and a half ago
06.14.18 #       <XShocK> sry gottago
06.14.24 #       <Aedaren> Yeah, I built it myself on cygwin from gcc 3.3.4 according to the instructions on the crosscompiler page
06.14.25 #       <Aedaren> ok
06.14.26 #       <Aedaren> thanks
06.14.41 #       <Aedaren> is there somewhere I can just download one?
06.14.45 #       <Aedaren> (if you're still here)
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06.43.42 #       <XShocK> back
06.43.54 #       <XShocK> hmmm. iriver has JTAG?
06.44.18 #       <XShocK> i see those TMS+TDO pins...
06.45.20 #       <XShocK> yep all tdi,tdo,tclk,tms
06.47.04 #       <XShocK> is PE-wrigler a fast jtag?
06.47.11 #       <XShocK> guess nobody is here. :)
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11.00.34 #       <austriancoder> hi all
11.00.44 #       <austriancoder> what is recording gain?
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11.05.33 #       <webguest67> good morning - i was just wondering if anyone had a chance to have a look at the slow playing MP3 i mentioned yesterday
11.06.42 #       <austriancoder> i would if i had a player to test
11.07.13 #       <webguest67> thanks - not trying to nag or anything - just bored at work so popped in to check
11.09.18 #       <austriancoder> if i only had the bdm connected to my iaudio.. then i would have a player to debug
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12.21.07 #       * austriancoder is working on tlv320 driver and the interface to rockbox
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13.26.01 #       <HCl> hello.
13.26.07 #       <ac_away> hi
13.26.25 #       <pill> hi
13.27.00 #       <ac_away> not much going on here..
13.27.26 #       <HCl> heh
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13.31.06 #       <ac_away> on what are you guys working atm?
13.31.43 #       <HCl> nothing at the moment, just finished my book last night..
13.32.35 #       <ac_away> you have written a book? Or have you finished it?
13.32.45 #       <ac_away> finished it reading..
13.38.16 #       <HCl> reading
13.38.59 #       <ac_away> ok ;)
13.39.45 #       <ac_away> the audio codec driver for iaudio x5 will be ready - i hope - this day
13.46.40 #       <ac_away> rockboy in colored mode ... that will be cool
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13.54.10 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> Anyone around?
13.54.46 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> Where do i submit bug reports?
13.55.18 #       <ac_away> here
13.55.52 #       <ac_away> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=add&group_id=44306&atid=439118
13.56.30 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> Cool thanks
13.57.28 #       <ac_away> np
13.58.45 #       <DJ_Dooms_Day> This is for the iriver rockbox right?
13.59.11 #       <ac_away> for rockbox in generaly.. so yes..
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15.21.47 #       <HCl> rockboy in color mode will be slow..
15.21.56 #       <HCl> don't expect it to run on coldfire
15.22.13 #       * HCl took all the color crap out of rockboy because it was slowing it down needlessly
15.22.46 #       <HCl> ofcourse it still gets emulated, but only in the internal format.. and because i couldn't figure out how to disable it entirely
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15.42.31 #       <XavierGr> Hello to all!
15.43.27 #       <tvelocity> morning
15.52.58 #       <XavierGr> morning eh?
15.53.00 #       <XavierGr> LOL
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16.44.35 #       <Aedaren> Hey anybody ever get an error in idread.c when they compile?
16.46.54 #       <Aedaren> I'm using m68k-elf-gcc 3.3.5
16.48.12 #       <Asku> heh, karu allas tuon yhden talon katolla taas
16.48.30 #       <Aedaren> uh
16.48.46 #       <Asku> sorry, wrong channel :)
16.48.50 #       <Aedaren> :)
16.49.15 #       <muesli__> Asku sounds funny :D
16.49.15 #       <Asku> but that would be "there a nice pond on the roof of the opposite building"
16.49.21 #       <Aedaren> what language was that?
16.49.22 #       <Asku> is
16.49.25 #       <Asku> it's finnish
16.49.54 #       <Aedaren> It would be interesting to see a finnish pond on a roof
16.49.58 #       <Aedaren> :)
16.50.39 #       <Asku> heh, it's a flat roof so it looks just like a bond
16.51.23 #       <muesli__> mmh...translation of pond gives me numbers of translation. but none of them make sense ;)
16.51.37 #       <Asku> and the main thing: it has rained all day
16.51.46 #       <Aedaren> so, either of you rockbox developers?
16.52.13 #       <Asku> no, i just wait for the iaudio port
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17.06.45 #       <Aedaren> Man, so many people in here...  Can anyone give me an idea when people are available?
17.12.26 #       <HCl> depends on which people you're looking for.
17.12.36 #       <HCl> i guess i qualify as a rockbox developer
17.12.37 #       <HCl> o.o;
17.12.45 #       <HCl> though i would never call myself such
17.13.05 #       <HCl> Aedaren: use gcc 3.4
17.13.36 #       <Aedaren> alright!
17.13.45 #       <Aedaren> really?
17.14.02 #       <Aedaren> The "build a cross-compiler" page suggested using gcc3.4
17.14.04 #       <Aedaren> 3.3.4
17.14.05 #       <Aedaren> I mean
17.14.13 #       <Aedaren> Is it out of date?
17.15.11 #       <Aedaren> (the documentation I mean)
17.15.33 #       <Aedaren> I'm using cygwin... is there some easy way to get m68k-elf-gcc 3.4 or do I need to build it with gcc 3.4?
17.16.01 #       <HCl> i think it says somewhere that you should use 3.4 for iriver..
17.16.12 #       <HCl> i dunno
17.16.17 #       <Aedaren> ah
17.16.32 #       <Aedaren> so, I just need to download gcc 3.4 and go through the "build a cross-compiler" thing again?
17.19.30 #       <Aedaren> is 3.4.4 good for iriver?
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17.23.26 #       <LinusN> 3.4.4 should work
17.23.28 #       <LinusN> i use 3.4.3
17.23.36 #       <Aedaren> Thanks Linus
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17.23.53 #       <Aedaren> I'm downloding 3.4.4 right now.>  Do I need to patch it ( using cygwin on windows XP)
17.24.45 #       <LinusN> i think so
17.25.52 #       <LinusN> the patch is attached to the CrossCompiler wiki topic
17.25.56 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/CrossCompiler/gcc-3.4.4.patch
17.27.03 #       <Aedaren> Has anyone tried to make the buttons customizable?  Allow the user to change button combinations in a given mode?
17.28.55 #       <LinusN> not really
17.29.19 #       <LinusN> there are so many things to consider, so it is not an easy task
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17.29.52 #       <Aedaren> Right... 
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17.30.18 #       <Aedaren> I thought I'd start off small, either by only allowing it in one mode (like while making OTF playlists) or completely swapping the button mappings
17.30.39 #       <LinusN> what is your goal?
17.30.43 #       <Aedaren> That would solve a few minor problems, like accidentally playing a song instead of queing it
17.31.04 #       <Aedaren> Mostly resolving the problem with the Select playing something and long select bringing up a menu
17.31.17 #       <Aedaren> in a way that wouldn't change it for people already used to the current configuration
17.31.40 #       <LinusN> the iriver key mappings aren't set in stone
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17.31.57 #       <LinusN> if you can come up with a better mapping we're all ears
17.31.59 #       <Aedaren> Would people be mad if we changed them though?
17.32.03 #       <Aedaren> Ok, I'll think about it
17.32.29 #       <Changsito> hi
17.32.35 #       <LinusN> hi
17.32.39 #       <Changsito> excuse me
17.32.49 #       <Changsito> but any clue for the volume bug origine ?
17.33.02 #       <LinusN> Changsito: the what?
17.33.29 #       <Changsito> the bug when changing volume fastly
17.34.15 #       <LinusN> what happens then?
17.34.36 #       <Changsito> is there any solution or fix for this bug ?
17.34.53 #       <muesli__> i've noticed it too
17.35.02 #       <Changsito> the WPS laggs
17.35.03 #       <muesli__> cant change the volume afterwards
17.35.05 #       <LinusN> i think you have to describe what this bug is
17.35.34 #       <Changsito> randomly, the WPS lags and pushing buttons have no effect
17.35.35 #       <LinusN> ok i see it now
17.36.08 #       <muesli__> dunno what exactly happened because i wasnt focused on the iriver too much. but suddenly the volume couldnt be changed anymore
17.36.41 #       <LinusN> muesli__: i see the lag, but i can still change the colume
17.36.44 #       <LinusN> volume
17.36.58 #       <muesli__> couldnt do it, was fixed
17.37.10 #       <LinusN> i gotta go now
17.37.14 #       <Changsito> ok
17.37.17 #       <LinusN> cu around
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17.37.22 #       <muesli__> have fun..whereever it is
17.37.42 #       <Changsito> he's on holidays i think
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17.39.17 #       <bluebrother^> Changsito: look at this forum thread for the lagging bug: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1139.0
17.41.40 #       <Changsito> ok thank bluebrother
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17.43.28 #       <bluebrother^> np.
17.43.55 #       <Changsito> do u know when it'll be add to a daily build ?
17.45.06 #       <bluebrother^> nope.
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17.46.06 #       <bluebrother^> as far as I see from the mailing list Magnus is working on this somehow.
17.46.30 #       <Changsito> ok, i hope it'll be fix soon
17.46.32 #       <bluebrother^> That's all I know ;-)
17.50.17 #       <t0mas> pfffff
17.50.22 #       * t0mas has been horse riding
17.50.28 #       <t0mas> with my sister...
17.50.47 #       <Changsito> was good ?
17.50.51 #       <t0mas> all her girlfriends were like "Ha, he's going to fly off it..."
17.51.00 #       <t0mas> but they didn't know I did it before (5 years ago :P)
17.51.07 #       <t0mas> and it was ok...
17.51.14 #       <t0mas> haven't flewn of...
17.51.27 #       <t0mas> horse just did what I wanted... :D
17.52.18 #       * Changsito is hacking his neighbour's WIFI network
17.52.52 #       <t0mas> wpa?
17.52.53 #       <t0mas> wep?
17.52.55 #       <t0mas> or none? :P
17.52.57 #       <Changsito> none ;)
17.53.00 #       <t0mas> LOL
17.53.03 #       <t0mas> that's not hacking
17.53.08 #       <Changsito> and admin/admin pass
17.53.14 #       <t0mas> hahahaha
17.53.15 #       <t0mas> I know that
17.53.25 #       <Changsito> i know, but he doesn't
17.53.26 #       <t0mas> there are a lot of wifi networks here
17.53.38 #       <t0mas> but mostly using WEP 64
17.53.48 #       <t0mas> (wich is crackable... but I haven't tried it yet)
17.54.28 #       <Changsito> in North France, there is no so much wifi networks
17.54.59 #       <t0mas> well... most ISP's give you a free wifi modem here
17.55.07 #       <t0mas> so every n00b has a wifi netwok
17.55.11 #       <Changsito> there is so much computers in fact ;)
17.55.26 #       <t0mas> not so much people either?
17.55.47 #       <Changsito> there no geek in north france
17.55.52 #       <Changsito> all n00bs
17.55.59 #       <t0mas> lol
17.56.08 #       <muesli__> t0mas everything can be cracked. its only a question of computing ressources ;)
17.56.52 #       <Changsito> Muesli are you greek ?
17.57.19 #       <muesli__> nope i am not ;)
17.57.42 #       <Changsito> because it was very philosophical what u said
17.57.44 #       <muesli__> but every key is only restricted by possible combinatiosn
17.58.01 #       <t0mas> duh...
17.58.08 #       <muesli__> at least this is my guess
17.58.22 #       <muesli__> correct me if i'm talking rubbish
17.58.31 #       <t0mas> but with crable I mean crackable in a normal time (so not a few years or something) with a normal pc
17.58.44 #       <t0mas> *crackable
17.58.55 #       <t0mas> brb...
17.58.58 #       <t0mas> linux never reboots...
17.59.12 #       <t0mas> but I still have to fix HAL not to hang my mount command :P
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18.30.56 #       <Bagder> austriancoder: I don't know why you get that weird problem with your sim
18.31.03 #       <Bagder> never seen it before
18.31.59 #       <Changsito> is someone using the sim on windows ?
18.32.09 #       <Bagder> sure
18.32.15 #       <Bagder> not me, but others do
18.32.30 #       <Changsito> because i could make it run
18.33.44 #       <Bagder> I'm away again...
18.34.25 #       <Aedaren> Hey, to apply patches, do we copy them to our rockbox directory ( the one with all the files in it) and run it at -p0?
18.38.11 #       <Aedaren> I'm trying to install the metronome patch, and it is looking for metronome.c, but it can't find it
18.38.14 #       <Aedaren> anyone know why?
18.38.36 #       <Aedaren> Did I not get everything from CVS?
18.41.08 #       <bluebrother^> it's more important from which path you're invoking patch
18.41.16 #       <Aedaren> I found it
18.41.24 #       <Aedaren> didn't know metronome.c was in apps/plugins
18.41.27 #       <bluebrother^> i.e. whats your actual working dir.
18.41.44 #       <Aedaren> home/Sean/rockbox/
18.41.55 #       <Aedaren> but I moved the patch to home/Sean/rockbox/apps/plugins
18.41.58 #       <Aedaren> and ran it -p0
18.41.59 #       <Aedaren> worked
18.42.00 #       <Aedaren> thanks
18.42.10 #       <bluebrother^> you should be able applying patches from the rockbox source root.
18.42.18 #       <bluebrother^> no matter where the patch lives.
18.42.44 #       <bluebrother^> as: patch -p0 < complete_path_to_patchfile.patch
18.42.54 #       <austriancoder> Bagder: maybe i am using a hardended gcc?
18.43.02 #       <Aedaren> oh
18.43.20 #       <Aedaren> but then I should be copying the patch to /apps/plugins?
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18.43.21 #       <Aedaren> or to root
18.43.37 #       <Aedaren> I put it in my /home/Sean/rockbox folder, ran it -p0 and it said it was looking for metronome.c
18.43.40 #       <Aedaren> (no path)
18.45.49 #       <bluebrother^> ok, just looked at the metronome diff file.
18.45.59 #       <bluebrother^> it has the paths missing :(
18.46.06 #       <Aedaren> ah... there's my problem
18.46.22 #       <Aedaren> so normally: copy patch to root, and run from root with -p0, right?
18.46.49 #       <bluebrother^> copy patch to somewhere and use the correct path to the file ;-)
18.47.12 #       <bluebrother^> but, if you're ok having the patches lying around in the rb root: yes.
18.47.48 #       <Aedaren> you are the man bluebrother... oh great answerer of questions
18.47.48 #       <Aedaren> thanks
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18.52.46 #       <Aedaren> Quick questinon: once I've built a patched firmware for iriver, what do I need to copy over to see the change?
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18.56.03 #       <bluebrother^> you can "make zip" and unzip the rockbox.zip as usual
18.56.48 #       <bluebrother^> when I'm changing stuff that doesn't affect plugins / codecs I simply copy rockbox.iriver
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18.58.51 #       <Aedaren> ah, but if i cange a plugin I need to make zip?
18.59.02 #       <Aedaren> I applied the metronome patch
18.59.13 #       <bluebrother^> you could also pick up the files by hand but I never tried.
18.59.18 #       <XavierGr> hi
18.59.32 #       <XavierGr> metronome patch?
18.59.35 #       <XavierGr> for the iriver?
18.59.44 #       <bluebrother^> make zip doesn't need much time so IMO this is the easiest way
18.59.52 #       <Aedaren> yeah
18.59.54 #       <Aedaren> I noticed
19.00.00 #       <Aedaren> I thought it would take a long time
19.00.13 #       <Aedaren> do I need to run "make" before "make zip'?
19.00.21 #       <Aedaren> XavierGr: yes
19.00.43 #       <XavierGr> nice I will compile it with my remote patch...
19.00.48 #       <bluebrother^> yes
19.00.57 #       <XavierGr> HCl are you here (or T0mas maybe)?
19.01.57 #       <Aedaren> why doesn't the metronome show up in the plugins list?  *confused*
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19.04.49 #       <Changsito> is the devkit necessary for compiling the simulator ?
19.04.49 #       <bluebrother^> I guess you also need to modify SOURCES
19.05.30 #       <Aedaren> how do I do that? (or where can I read about it?)
19.06.07 #       <bluebrother^> got it. It works.
19.06.45 #       <Aedaren> help?
19.06.57 #       <bluebrother^> edit apps/plugins/SOURCES
19.07.32 #       <Aedaren> then recompile?
19.07.41 #       <bluebrother^> move the entry "metronome.c" to the #if CONFIG_HWCODEC == MASNONE
19.07.52 #       <Aedaren> makes sense
19.07.54 #       <Aedaren> thanks
19.07.59 #       <bluebrother^> i.e. to the section /* software codec platforms */
19.08.18 #       <Aedaren> anybody know how to exit emacs from the command line ;)
19.08.19 #       <Aedaren> ?
19.08.29 #       <bluebrother^> huh?
19.08.38 #       <Aedaren> I don't have another editor installed in cygwin
19.08.48 #       <Aedaren> Can't ever remember the keystroke to quit the stupid thing
19.09.35 #       <bluebrother^> M-x c
19.10.08 #       <bluebrother^> IIRC
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19.12.48 #       <fogcat> anyone here who knows about the rockbox fonts?
19.13.46 #       <Changsito> where can i download the devkit please ?
19.14.19 #       <fogcat> guess not
19.14.40 #       <bluebrother^> fogcat: what's your question?
19.15.55 #       <fogcat> got a font that is displaying the characters m and M oddly on the iriver - i suspect the problems may be with the Ms because they are the widest characters
19.16.11 #       <fogcat> it's win_crox4h from the rockbox fonts page
19.16.39 #       <bluebrother^> hmm, haven't used this. Sorry, can't help you about this.
19.16.48 #       <bluebrother^> but I could check out the font page ;-)
19.17.14 #       <fogcat> bdf file displays ok with a utility called bdf viewer - so I'm not sure if the problem is in conversion to fnt or actually in the display code
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19.22.06 #       <bluebrother^> hmm. I just copied the .fnt-files from the fonts page to my iriver.
19.22.27 #       <bluebrother^> but it doesn't seem to work -- all new fonts are displayed as default
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19.25.43 #       <Aedaren> Yeah, I got it working.  Thanks bluebrother
19.27.21 #       <fogcat> bluebrother - when did you copy them?
19.27.39 #       <fogcat> they didn't use to work - but were corrected today.
19.27.59 #       <fogcat> could you be getting a cached copy?
19.28.48 #       <fogcat> goto go and head home 
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19.29.32 #       <bluebrother^> hmm. I just downloaded them. Used the zip-file.
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19.34.23 #       <bluebrother^> I downloaded the .pdf and rebuild the fnt. Still doesn't work
19.34.46 #       <bluebrother^> I guess I'll just ignore this for now ;-)
19.34.59 #       <bluebrother^> oh, fogcat has gone.
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19.50.55 #       <Wolf-guest> good morning / afternoon. anyone willing to give me some advice?
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19.53.00 #       <Aedaren> depends :)
19.53.10 #       <Aedaren> on whether or not I know anything about it
19.53.54 #       <Wolf-guest> tjx aedaren
19.54.08 #       <Wolf-guest> i'm looking to buy a rockbox compatible device
19.54.23 #       <Aedaren> k
19.54.31 #       <Wolf-guest> and I really don't know if all the supported devices are discontinued
19.54.53 #       <Wolf-guest> as it seems that both archos and iriver launched new series of devices
19.55.02 #       <Aedaren> yeah
19.55.19 #       <Aedaren> you don't know what you want to get?
19.55.41 #       <Wolf-guest> hd based player/recorder
19.55.55 #       <Aedaren> what are you going to use it for?
19.55.58 #       <Aedaren> just listening?
19.56.05 #       <Wolf-guest> cause I want to be able to also recorde some rehearsal studio sessions
19.56.14 #       <Aedaren> definitely go with the iriver h1xx
19.56.24 #       <Wolf-guest> no, line-in recording is the key :-)
19.56.27 #       <Aedaren> ah
19.56.43 #       <Wolf-guest> and also participate in the rockbox pjt, of course ;-)
19.56.43 #       <bluebrother^> be aware: recording doesn't work for the h-1xx until now
19.56.50 #       <Aedaren> right
19.56.54 #       <Aedaren> you'd have to use the normal firmware
19.56.57 #       <Aedaren> which is easy
19.57.07 #       <bluebrother^> the h-1xx has line in ...
19.57.37 #       <bluebrother^> so until recording is finished you need to use the iriver fw which has some other flawks.
19.57.55 #       <Aedaren> unless you went with archos
19.58.01 #       <Aedaren> but I've never liked the archos players
19.58.05 #       <Wolf-guest> what about archos vs iriver, any preference?
19.58.08 #       <bluebrother^> but the boot loader supports dual-boot which is pretty nice
19.58.11 #       <Aedaren> Definitely iriver for me
19.58.27 #       <Wolf-guest> why?
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19.59.05 #       <Aedaren> mic-in for one... bigger screen, the plug-and-play USB hard drive thing is awesome
19.59.13 #       <Aedaren> I don't know if the archos one's do that too, but I doubt it
19.59.25 #       <Aedaren> Optical in/out
19.59.39 #       <Wolf-guest> yep, nice features
19.59.45 #       <Aedaren> they are more expensive though
20.00.06 #       <DreamTactix291> if you really look you can get an H140 for ~$400
20.00.07 #       <Wolf-guest> dual boot, you mean you can choose rockbox / orig fw just resetting the player and avoiding reflash?
20.00.19 #       <DreamTactix291> yes
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20.00.36 #       <Aedaren> less even... adn the h120 is only 200
20.00.37 #       <DreamTactix291> if you hold record when you turn it on it boots into the iriver firmware
20.00.45 #       <Aedaren> yes, it's very handy
20.00.52 #       * DreamTactix291 has one of each :)
20.01.09 #       <Aedaren> How do you do those little action thingies in IRC?
20.01.15 #       <DreamTactix291> /me
20.01.24 #       <bagawk> lol
20.01.30 #       <Wolf-guest> are the iriver H10 xGB series just a repackging of H100 series, or diff monsters?
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20.01.42 #       <DreamTactix291> different
20.01.43 #       <bluebrother^> H10 is completely different
20.01.44 #       <DreamTactix291> far far different
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20.01.52 #       <DreamTactix291> much fewer features
20.02.17 #       <DreamTactix291> the H300s are more similar to the H100s than the H10 20GBs are
20.02.27 #       <Wolf-guest> but the H1x0 were discontinued?
20.02.34 #       <DreamTactix291> about a year ago yes
20.02.34 #       <Aedaren> yep
20.02.44 #       <DreamTactix291> right after i bought my H120 :|
20.02.56 #       <Wolf-guest> hehe
20.03.01 #       <bluebrother^> the H3xx isn't supported yet by Rockbox.
20.03.11 #       <DreamTactix291> but i still managed to find an H140 though when i decided to upgrade
20.03.15 #       <DreamTactix291> it probably will be though
20.03.28 #       <DreamTactix291> it shares a lot of hardware with the H100s i believe
20.04.14 #       <Wolf-guest> anyone get his hands on H3xx internals to find out?
20.04.21 #       <Wolf-guest> got
20.04.57 #       <DreamTactix291> i think linus owns and H300
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20.04.59 #       <DreamTactix291> an*
20.05.28 #       <DreamTactix291> i don't like the actual player's design as much personally but the colour screen on it is nice
20.07.33 #       <DreamTactix291> i can imagine some of the graphics people will have on their WPS when it gets to the H300s :)
20.08.10 #       <Aedaren> The button layout on the h300 is way better than the H100
20.08.53 #       <DreamTactix291> i'm so used to the joystick that i like it
20.09.09 #       <Aedaren> you never accidentally press it while you're navigating?
20.09.23 #       <Aedaren> Have you ever tried using the chessclock :) That was a disaster
20.09.27 #       <DreamTactix291> nope
20.09.34 #       <DreamTactix291> to both
20.09.55 #       <bluebrother^> hmm, h.120 is still listed on amazon.de
20.10.09 #       <Aedaren> do they have any?
20.11.08 #       <bluebrother^> at least the website says they can ship it within 24h
20.11.34 #       <DreamTactix291> wow they have some? :o
20.12.04 #       <bluebrother^> looks like.
20.12.10 #       <Aedaren> I've got one for sale too if someone is looking
20.12.16 #       <bluebrother^> but I haven't called them to confirm ;-)
20.12.16 #       <Aedaren> not new of course
20.12.32 #       <DreamTactix291> i got both of mine new :D
20.12.34 #       <DreamTactix291> though
20.12.46 #       <DreamTactix291> my girlfriend is getting my H120 from me
20.13.04 #       <Aedaren> ooh, you're that committed huh? :D
20.14.32 #       <DreamTactix291> yes
20.14.36 #       <DreamTactix291> :P
20.14.55 #       <DreamTactix291> i figure she likes it and it's sitting around collecting dust so it might as well go to good use
20.15.23 #       <Aedaren> hehe
20.16.43 #       * HCl yawns
20.17.10 #       <DreamTactix291> my brother who is a complete idiot when it comes to electronics can operate it so all the claims of it being too difficult are completely unfounded IMO
20.17.33 #       <Wolf-guest> that's an excellent usability test :-)
20.18.22 #       <DreamTactix291> yep
20.21.47 #       <Wolf-guest> hey Aedaren, I'm interested in that H120
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20.22.21 #       <Aedaren> do you want to make me an offer?  seanhess at gmail dot com
20.22.32 #       <Wolf-guest> it seems that's not easy to get one now tht they are discontinued...
20.22.40 #       <Aedaren> no its not easy at all
20.22.45 #       <Aedaren> it takes a lot of research
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20.23.07 #       <DreamTactix291> they're not very easy to get at all anymore
20.23.19 #       <DreamTactix291> so when i saw an H140 new for 250 GBP i pounced on it
20.24.18 #       <muesli__> 250gpd for an h140
20.24.19 #       <muesli__> wow
20.24.35 #       <muesli__> quite expensive dont u think?
20.24.44 #       <Aedaren> that'll hurt the pocket book
20.25.20 #       <Aedaren> Wolf-guest, we'd be talking around 250-260 USD
20.25.27 #       <DreamTactix291> actually the exchange was reallygood that day
20.25.32 #       <DreamTactix291> so H140 for ~$400
20.25.39 #       <DreamTactix291> which was what they were worth when they were new just about
20.26.00 #       <Aedaren> yeah, that's not bad new... . they are selling for around 500 now
20.26.13 #       <DreamTactix291> yep
20.26.18 #       <DreamTactix291> that's why i jumped on it
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20.27.09 #       <DreamTactix291> i'm really loving the wavpack support now on my H140 :D
20.28.06 #       <muesli__> how much are 250gpd in euro?
20.29.20 #       <DreamTactix291> 359.531 EUR
20.29.35 #       <muesli__> http://my.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MyeBay&ssPageName=h:h:mebay:DE
20.29.53 #       <muesli__> err
20.29.55 #       <muesli__> no
20.29.57 #       <muesli__> mom
20.30.38 #       <muesli__> http://www.geizhals.at/deutschland/a82312.html
20.30.41 #       <muesli__> this one
20.32.03 #       <phaedrus961> does anyone know where I can get a copy of the unicode patch?
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20.36.15 #       <muesli__> does somebody own a pmp-140? i really would like to know how the quality in terms of music is
20.37.13 #       <DreamTactix291> i'd ask astec in #misticriver but he's away right now
20.37.28 #       <DreamTactix291> i would assume as good as the H100s and H300s without rockbox
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20.38.24 #       <muesli__> probably...
20.39.31 #       <DreamTactix291> the PMP's don't support Vorbis >:(
20.40.03 #       <muesli__> in my case i wouldnt be touched
20.40.09 #       <muesli__> :-/
20.40.43 #       <DreamTactix291> yeah Vorbis support helped make my decision to get my H120 a year ago
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20.45.00 #       <muesli__> http://cgi.ebay.de/NEW-40GB-iRiver-PMP-140-PORTABLE-MP3-VIDEO-FM-PLAYER_W0QQitemZ5795548667QQcategoryZ48683QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
20.45.11 #       <muesli__> doensnt look tooo bad either ;)
20.45.28 #       <muesli__> but its quite large
20.45.41 #       <muesli__> but nice anyway
20.45.43 #       <muesli__> ;)
20.46.46 #       <DreamTactix291> well it's large because the screen is large :)
20.48.07 #       <muesli__> when i look into future i see a pmp in the size of a h140 and can watch moviez :D
20.48.23 #       <DreamTactix291> lol
20.48.26 #       <DreamTactix291> the H300s can watch movies
20.48.29 #       <DreamTactix291> limited though
20.48.36 #       <muesli__> yeah, 15fps are not that nice
20.48.42 #       <DreamTactix291> 10
20.48.45 #       <muesli__> lol
20.48.47 #       <DreamTactix291> X5 is 15
20.48.48 #       <muesli__> even worse
20.49.00 #       <muesli__> everything under 25 is bs
20.49.01 #       <muesli__> ;)
20.49.06 #       <muesli__> below
20.49.16 #       <DreamTactix291> well who's to say what FPS rockbox might allow when it gets to the H300s one day :P
20.49.29 #       <muesli__> yeah yeah :D
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20.49.50 #       <muesli__> i am really attempted to get a h320
20.49.57 #       <muesli__> love that color screen
20.50.02 #       <DreamTactix291> they're good players
20.50.07 #       <muesli__> though i use the remote only ;)
20.50.08 #       <DreamTactix291> i can't say i like the carbon fibre look much
20.50.42 #       <muesli__> its ok. not that brilliant as the champagne h120
20.50.48 #       <muesli__> but not too bad either
20.50.51 #       <DreamTactix291> i like my black H120 and H140
20.51.18 #       <muesli__> i have a black 140 and had a champagne 120
20.51.36 #       <DreamTactix291> :)
20.51.44 #       <muesli__> but the champagne definitively looks better
20.52.01 #       <DreamTactix291> i disagree
20.52.09 #       <DreamTactix291> i really don't like the colour all that much
20.52.32 #       <DreamTactix291> though i tend to like darker colours
20.52.40 #       <DreamTactix291> like black, blue, and purple
20.52.42 #       <muesli__> when i had my 120 i thought black would be cooler. but it isnt like that
20.52.58 #       <muesli__> ist much more vital :D
20.53.07 #       <DreamTactix291> well both of mine spend time in their iskins so they're blue to me :)
20.53.17 #       <muesli__> *g*
20.53.30 #       <muesli__> i get blue when i drink too much :D
20.53.42 #       <DreamTactix291> lol
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20.54.10 #       <DreamTactix291> i've grown really fond of my blue iskins
20.54.34 #       <DreamTactix291> i don't like my player out of a case on the go but i don't like cases that bulk up the player a whole lot
20.55.08 #       <Aedaren> Grr... I just compiled the source fine, and now it isn't working.  It's failing on CONVBDF, says it can't find the command in the tools folder... Any ideas?
20.55.25 #       <DreamTactix291> i don't compile my own stuff so nope :(
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22.23.22 #       <bluebrother^> has anybody else problems generating fonts?
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22.30.06 #       <amiconn> hi all
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22.32.42 #       <amiconn> Hi again ;)
22.34.36 #       <phaedrus961> hey amiconn, would it be possible to get a copy of your unicode patch?
22.36.31 #       <amiconn> It's not mz patch.
22.36.40 #       <amiconn> Erm, not my patch
22.36.50 #       <amiconn> Sorry, italian keyboard ;)
22.37.08 #       <amiconn> Markun did the unicode patch
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22.37.28 #       <phaedrus961> oh, I thought it was yours, sorry
22.38.18 #       <muesli-> e
22.38.20 #       <muesli-> re
22.38.26 #       <phaedrus961> do you know where I can get it?
22.39.13 #       <muesli-> what?
22.39.55 #       <amiconn> muesli-:  phaedrus961  talking about the unicode patch
22.40.08 #       <muesli-> what is that good for?
22.40.17 #       <amiconn> I have it on my home computer, but currently no access to it :(
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22.40.44 #       <muesli-> re amiconn ;)
22.40.49 #       <amiconn> Bleh, web client :/
22.40.58 #       <muesli-> god of all lcd's ;)
22.42.03 #       <amiconn> Hehe :)
22.42.38 #       <muesli-> a little contribute for your works ;)
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22.49.16 #       <amiconn> Gotta go now, cu
22.49.32 #       <muesli-> come back mate ;)
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22.53.41 #       <solex> Hm. I (almost) always get a "codec failure" when trying to play a 256kBit OGG fileon my irver h120.
22.54.25 #       <solex> Iriver firmware likes them.
22.59.42 #       <DreamTactix291> i haven't had any issue with my vorbis files but mine are mostly -q6 so not as large as yours
23.09.27 #       <solex> Unfortunately, I am used to convert my files with grip (a GUI frontend for cdparanoia, lame, oggenc etc)
23.09.43 #       <solex> and it only lets me set the bitrate, not the quality.
23.10.27 #       <solex> I tried setting the quality level in the bitrate field und change the command line for oggenc accordingly
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23.10.47 #       <solex> but grip freaked out a little bit and even Iriver firmware didn't play these files.
23.11.11 #       <DarkkOne> Hrm?
23.11.23 #       <bluebrother^> solex: I used to use grip. You can set the quality if you're modifyin the command arguments
23.11.49 #       <solex> bluebrother^: already tried that. May try again.
23.12.03 #       <bluebrother^> I just added my quality setting to the command line
23.12.10 #       <bluebrother^> and abandoned the bitrate field ;-)
23.12.17 #       <DarkkOne> What's the problem?
23.12.29 #       <bluebrother^> but now I'm using abcde
23.13.00 #       <solex> quality overrides bitrate? (manpage isn't clear in this)
23.13.13 #       <solex> DarkkOne: rockbox cannot play some of my OGG files
23.13.18 #       <solex> 256kBit
23.13.19 #       <bluebrother^> I don't know, I simply removed the bitrate entry.
23.13.35 #       <solex> bluebrother^: good idea.
23.14.07 #       <DarkkOne> Oggs aren't traditionally bitrated though... are they Q8s then?
23.14.22 #       * solex is ripping again
23.14.49 #       <solex> DarkkOne: No, I used the -b switch
23.15.01 #       <solex> although I have read today that it is deprecated forsometime now
23.15.17 #       <bluebrother^> DarkkOne: grip uses the -b switch as default and has no option to use -q instead
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23.16.39 #       <solex> damn. obviously my kernel doesn't like excessive hotplugging.
23.16.48 #       <DarkkOne> Aaah... I'm not at all familiar with the -b switch...
23.16.59 #       <solex> bye bye USB subsystem.
23.19.05 #       <DarkkOne> My oggs are all around the 256ish mark, but they were all done with -q..
23.19.12 #       <solex> at least my mouse is stillworking.
23.22.53 #       <solex> Wow, encoding with -q6 is slow...
23.24.35 #       <DarkkOne> Odd.
23.25.05 #       <solex> Grip says "2.0x"
23.25.50 #       <solex> "two times faster than playing realtime"
23.25.56 #       <bluebrother^> has anybody stripped down a font?
23.26.11 #       <Bagder> "stripped down" ?
23.26.24 #       <bluebrother^> remove unneccessary chars.
23.26.33 #       <bluebrother^> as otherwise it's to big.
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23.27.06 #       <solex> DarkkOne: wait, I am talking nonsense. Grip computes the speed with the help of the bitrate (which it doesn'tknow)
23.27.06 #       <Bagder> BDF is ascii, it could be done with a text editor. just a bit tedious
23.27.36 #       <austriancoder> hi all
23.27.42 #       <solex> hi
23.28.17 #       <bluebrother^> Bagder: I did so but the result produces glyphs on Rockbox :(
23.28.21 #       <DarkkOne> Hehe... I was wondering
23.28.39 #       <bluebrother^> so I was wondering if there is something I need to consider.
23.29.06 #       <Bagder> bluebrother^:  not that I can think of
23.29.08 #       <DarkkOne> I mean, I know I'm using a different OS, but I tend to encode vorbis at about 13x at -q8...
23.29.28 #       <DarkkOne> Though, that's always been transcoding..
23.30.43 #       <solex> grip has finished. 15 minutes for 63 minutes of music...
23.30.52 #       <solex> -q6, Pemtium M 1.3 GHz
23.31.01 #       <solex> s/m/n
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23.31.29 #       <solex> But it sometimes had to wait for the next track to be ripped
23.31.38 #       <DarkkOne> Gotcha
23.31.53 #       * solex reboots
23.40.01 #       <solex> Grrr. The -q6 files aren't played either.
23.40.30 #       <DarkkOne> What aren't they playing on?
23.40.30 #       <solex> WPS is not displayed, but I can change volume while files are displayed.
23.40.49 #       * solex has lost his definite articles
23.41.12 #       <DarkkOne> They play in software players on a PC?
23.42.04 #       <solex> yep
23.42.26 #       <bluebrother^> strange
23.42.41 #       <DarkkOne> That is really odd...
23.42.52 #       <solex> ~150 to 200 kBit
23.42.56 #       <bluebrother^> I usually encode with -q 5 and had no problems ...
23.43.24 #       <DarkkOne> I've never had problems playing oggs on an h120... I always encode at 8 (yes, I know I can't hear the difference. But I don't own *that* much music, and it's in preparation for t hat one song where I can, just in case)
23.43.58 #       <solex> DarkkOne: which encoder (version, OS)?
23.44.26 #       <DarkkOne> WindowsXP (yes, meh, laptops and linux don't *always* get along)
23.44.32 #       <DarkkOne> And one sec while I double check the version
23.45.02 #       <solex> here: vorbis-tools from debian.org, version 1.0.1-1.4
23.45.49 #       <DarkkOne> I'm using 1.1.0 through dbPoweramp
23.46.17 #       <bluebrother^> I throw in vorbis-tools-1.0.1-4
23.46.58 #       <DarkkOne> So, we're all using different version of the encoder?
23.47.28 #       <bluebrother^> not exactly. solex and me is the same upstream release
23.47.37 #       <DarkkOne> Yeah
23.47.56 #       <DarkkOne> So it hardly make sense that they work for you and not him, right?
23.48.14 #       <bluebrother^> I would say so.
23.48.40 #       <solex> I could provide an example file for testing
23.50.27 #       <bluebrother^> hmm. I'm thinking about to try -q6 or -q8
23.50.33 #       <DarkkOne> I'd test, but my H120 is either 500 miles away, or in the mail between there and here. =/ It got left at a family reunion
23.50.47 #       <solex> lucky family!
23.51.19 #       <solex> grrr, and I forgot to save those ripped wave files for more testing.
23.51.28 #       <DarkkOne> Yeah, I'm glad I didn't get a "No, we didn't find anything like that around there, sorry.."
23.51.54 #       <solex> :)
23.52.29 #       <solex> bluebrother^: that would be nice
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23.53.03 #       <DarkkOne> Were there any other flags, or was it just oggenc -q6 blah.wav ?
23.53.18 #       <bluebrother^> wow, oggenc -q8 is pretty fast.
23.53.34 #       <bluebrother^> when using -q5 I get a rate of about 3.5
23.53.49 #       <bluebrother^> -q8 gave nearly 8 ...
23.54.32 #       <bluebrother^> or was this just the file?
23.55.04 #       <DarkkOne> I dunno
23.55.11 #       <DarkkOne> 8's always been very fast for me.
23.55.30 #       <bluebrother^> hmm. Doesn't matter to me.
23.55.50 #       <DarkkOne> Not as much work to do I guess, since there's less to trim, and less to compress, or something.
23.56.36 #       <matsl> Simulator/Build problem. I'm getting a floating point exception -- before main! Any ideas?
23.56.54 #       <Bagder> matsl: austriancoder gets it too
23.57.03 #       <Bagder> before main...
23.57.14 #       <matsl> Bagder: hi, ok
23.57.18 #       <bluebrother^> solex: ok, I just tried oggenc -q8 cdda.wav, -q6, -q5. Everything works as expected.
23.57.20 #       <Bagder> hi matsl
23.57.28 #       <Bagder> this rings a bell somewhere
23.57.49 #       <bluebrother^> the -q8 has ~258kbps.
23.58.15 #       <solex> DarkkOne: did you ask me about the flags?
23.58.37 #       <Bagder> matsl / austriancoder: you check the map file for oddities ?
23.58.39 #       <DarkkOne> I was just curious if there was something else that could be causing the problem, other than the q setting.
23.58.52 #       <solex> bluebrother^: strange.