--- Log for 05.08.105 Server: tolkien.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 13 days and 14 hours ago 00.00.28 # DarkkOne: will do next. 00.00.32 # ./apps/rockbox.map 00.00.41 # but it isn't easy to work out 00.01.06 # -q5 isn't played either. 00.01.16 # matsl: what gcc version? 00.01.34 # 3.3.5-20050130 00.01.46 # austriancoder: and you? 00.01.47 # What happens when they don't play... (I wasn't here for that bit) 00.01.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.02.16 # Either I get a "codec failure" 00.02.35 # or nothing obvious happens and the screen is kind of frozen 00.02.59 # no WPS, but I can change the volume (I can see it in the statusbar 00.03.00 # ) 00.03.03 # hrm... 00.03.09 # matsl: can you make your apps/rockbox.map available for me? 00.04.28 # I am ditching grip right now and encode by hand 00.04.36 # 7.7x :) 00.04.44 # Bagder: possibly, do you have any suggestion? 00.05.08 # mail it to me 00.05.18 # ok 00.05.51 # it plays! 00.05.55 # wtf!? 00.06.30 # -q6 00.07.04 # Bagder: its on its way 00.07.07 # got it 00.07.19 # So, it's something to do with Grip? 00.08.16 # -q8 does also work 00.08.57 # DarkkOne: probably. 00.09.05 # Encoder command line: 00.09.06 # -o %m -a %a -l %d -t %n -q 5 -N %t -G %G -d %y %w 00.09.30 # matsl: unfortunately that didn't reveal much, it looks very similar to mine 00.09.37 # -o, -a, -l, -t, -N, -G -d are all tag parameters 00.09.51 # Bagder: I guess that is good then 00.10.04 # well, it works for me ;-) 00.10.21 # Hrm 00.10.29 # Yeah, I don't know why that wouldn't work.. 00.12.00 # matsl: does this happen regardless of what model you build the sim for? 00.12.42 # Bagder: only tried recorder and player. any other model I should try? 00.13.07 # nah, just wanted to make sure I tested the same here 00.13.57 # Bagder: according to strace it happens a few system calls after loading libXext 00.14.51 # so I guess it would affect most simulators 00.15.43 # libXext is listed last among the libs when I do 'ldd' on rockboxui 00.16.02 # so possibly it happens after all libs are loaded 00.16.23 # jupp same here 00.16.45 # really strange... files produced by grip still won't play 00.17.10 # beep-media-player has no problemplaying them 00.18.19 # matsl: so what are the last function calls it makes? 00.18.20 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.18.20 Quit DarkkOne (Broken pipe) 00.18.41 # mprotect(0xb7d16000, 4096, PROT_READ) = 0 00.19.08 # Bagder: really useful info!? ;-) 00.19.17 # oh yes ;-) 00.19.19 # veeeery 00.20.00 # then strace adds: --- SIGFPE (Floating point exception) @ 0 (0) --- 00.20.40 # fsck it. I'll got to bed now. 00.21.00 # bye and thanks for your help 00.23.49 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.28.58 Join Aedaren [0] (~Aedaren@71-36-66-84.slkc.qwest.net) 00.29.09 Join matsl [0] (~matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.32.35 # Bagder: I'm getting another strange thing: in the plugins I get a warning: "creating a DT_TEXTREL in object" 00.32.56 # hehe, austriancoder got that too 00.33.04 # there's something new and fishy in here 00.33.16 # gcc version? 00.33.35 # I don't know, he seems to have fallen asleep 00.33.39 # gcc version 3.4.4 (Gentoo Hardened 3.4.4, ssp-3.4.4-1.0, pie-8.7.8) 00.33.42 # ah 00.33.48 # *g* 00.33.50 # I use 4.0.2 here 00.34.14 # Maybe a gentoo thing? 00.34.46 # hardened thing?! 00.34.52 # time to google 00.35.03 Join oijew [0] (~oiejrt@IGLD-80-230-45-133.inter.net.il) 00.35.05 # no, i'm on gcc (GCC) 3.3.5-20050130 (Gentoo Linux 3.3.5.20050130-r1, ssp-3.3.5.20050130-1, pie-8.7.7.1) 00.35.19 # ah ok 00.36.25 # hi! im new to rockbox... cool firmware 00.36.46 # How's it going? 00.36.47 # oijew: welcome to our sunny corner of the world! 00.36.53 # dir 00.37.27 # great i just love, so much better from iriver 00.37.34 # matsl, badger: need to go now.. my girlfriend is here... see you later and hope we get ride of it 00.37.37 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC") 00.37.48 # --warn-shared-textrel 00.37.48 # Warn if the linker adds a DT_TEXTREL to a shared object. 00.37.58 # an ld option 00.38.26 # will it ever support wma on iriver? is there any way? 00.38.30 # has anyone run into this before when compiling the source: "CONVBDF" /home/me/rockbox/tools/convbdf: command not found 00.38.31 # ? 00.38.40 # oijew: sure, if someone writes a fixed-point decoder for it 00.38.53 # Aedaren: you ran make in the toold dir? 00.38.56 # tools 00.39.06 Join DreamTactix921 [0] (~dreamtact@adsl-156-19-56.bna.bellsouth.net) 00.39.07 # I ran it in my build directory 00.39.08 # oijew: porting something like ffmpeg (which supports wma playback) to a non-floating point environment is non-trivial, but possible. 00.39.09 # under rockbox 00.39.15 # just don't think anyone's putting in any effort at this time 00.39.24 # Bagder: and when will that be? 00.39.30 # but I ran tools/configure from that folder too 00.39.43 # am I doing it right? 00.39.50 # oijew: when someone does it 00.39.58 # I got it to compile once, but now it doesn't work 00.40.03 # Aedaren: you need to run make in the tools dir 00.40.15 # oijew: things don't happen by themselves 00.40.32 # right on, got past the error 00.40.34 # thanks 00.40.38 # if you ask me, I don't think we will ever see WMA supported in Rockbox 00.41.15 # but why? its supported in the original firmware... isnt there a way? 00.41.30 # aren't you reading? 00.41.32 # it isn't open source, so we'd have to pay for it, right? 00.41.37 # oijew: there is a way 00.41.56 # I just believe that no one with clues will go that way 00.42.06 # feel free to prove me wrong 00.42.23 Join Stryke` [0] (~Chairman8@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 00.43.54 # matsl: I think the DT_TEXTREL warning is unrelated to the crash though 00.44.34 # okay thanks.. ill try, good day! 00.44.38 Part oijew 00.44.39 # Bagder: yes 00.45.30 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 00.45.32 # do you guys know how I can permanently add m68k-elf-gcc version 3.4.4 to my path? The instructions on the wiki say to use export PATH=[m68k path]:$PATH, but every time I reboot cygwin it goes back to versioon 3.3.5 00.45.52 # Aedaren: change the path in the shell setup script 00.46.00 # .bash_profile or similar 00.46.05 # which folder? 00.46.10 # in your home dir 00.46.15 # thanks 00.51.40 # Can I ask you guys a question? I was talking with Linus earlier today, and he said the iriver keybindings aren't "set in stone." Personally i'm a little annoyed with the short vs long select press ( the joystick pressing in). Do you guys like the keybindings as they are, do you want them completely changed, or would you like an option to change them? 00.52.18 # if you come up with a suggestion of a better way to deal with them, I'm sure people will listen 00.52.34 # Just wondering how many people would get mad if they were changed 00.52.36 # ;) 00.52.58 # well, you should be prepared to face resistance 00.53.11 # Yeah, that's why I was thinking of just making it customizable somehow 00.53.20 # Or should I beat down my opposition mercilessly? 00.53.46 # hehe, your choice really, but you don't get stuff into CVS with violence :-) 00.54.12 # that was a joke :) Just wondering the best way to go about it 00.55.20 # write down your suggestion, post it to the mailing list, await the storm 00.55.37 # then adjust and loop all over ;-) 00.56.05 # how do you get on the mailing list? 00.56.20 # http://cool.haxx.se/mailman/listinfo/rockbox 00.56.57 # archives and other lists are here: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ 00.57.06 # thanks 00.58.09 # do you guys know if the a/b repeat patch works on the h1xx? 00.58.26 # I don't think it does 00.58.33 # too bad 00.58.35 # but Linus might've worked on it 01.03.39 # Bagder: I looked at the gentoo buglist but found nothing. I'll drop this for now. We might get back to it later. 01.03.57 # yes, this'll hit more people 01.04.41 # matsl: if you get some time off, try a fresh gcc built from source and see if that does the same 01.06.02 # Bagder: ok. I'll have that in mind. 01.16.01 Quit wehn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.14 # time 2 go, cu 01.16.19 # good night matsl 01.16.38 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 01.16.43 Join wehn [0] (~fraser@218-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 01.22.05 Quit Aedaren (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.23.17 Join Aedaren [0] (~Aedaren@71-36-66-84.slkc.qwest.net) 01.24.31 # Does anyone know which file I need to edit if I want to change a button mapping for when you are listening to a file, then go to the filetree? 01.24.46 # I want to change which button brings up the menu that lets you queue a song 01.26.40 Join stripwax_ [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 01.26.57 # hello 01.27.21 # what's new in the world 01.27.39 # I'm lost trying to change rockbox for the first time 01.27.39 # you/ 01.27.40 # ? 01.29.46 # change it to do what? 01.30.53 # Aedaren - what is it you're wanting to do? 01.31.22 # let me copy the messege I wrote ealier 01.31.31 # Does anyone know which file I need to edit if I want to change a button mapping for when you are listening to a file, then go to the filetree? 01.32.00 # Why do you need to change that file 01.32.11 # (why do you need to change that button mapping, I mean) 01.32.23 # On the iriver, you press select to play a file (which deletes your otf playlist) 01.32.31 # but you have to HOLD select to queue a file 01.32.36 # lots of accidents 01.32.42 # I'm mostly just trying things out though 01.33.12 # Aedaren - what would you prefer? The button mappings have been discussed at length and the current mappings are what users are mostly happy with, so all new ideas are welcome here! 01.34.00 # Aedaren - maybe it could be an option ,so that you press the play button to play a single file, or press select to bring up the playlist menu? Maybe that could be a config option! 01.34.14 # (instead of select to play a single fine, I mean) 01.35.05 # Well, people like Select opening a file, so I thought I'd swap hold SELECT and hold A/B 01.35.15 # hold A/B brings up that quick menu with the shuffle options 01.35.25 # that would prevent any problems from occuring 01.35.59 # Aedaren - you mean hold A/B to bring up the playlist menu instead? if so how would you bring up that quickmenu 01.36.41 # hold select 01.36.47 # just switch the two 01.36.57 # what do you think? 01.37.45 # understood. if so, that should definitely be configurable. (For example, I'd prefer SELECT to automatically bring up just the playlist option on the playlist menu) 01.38.10 # yeah that would be very cool to be able to put in the config file 01.38.16 # Aedaren - not sure about how to make that configurable in an ideal world - but for trying things out you probably want to look at apps/wps.h 01.38.37 # does wps.h also control when you exit the wps by hitting select? 01.38.43 # (while the music is still playing?) 01.38.48 # e.g. WPS_BROWSE = (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REL) to pop up the browser 01.39.21 # as for the keys while you're IN the browser, check out apps/tree.h 01.39.57 # thanks 01.40.03 # Is anyone working on this right now? 01.40.08 # (Dont' want to step on his toes) 01.40.17 # e.g. TREE_RUN = BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REL; and TREE_CONTEXT = BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_REPEAT (i.e. hold) 01.40.23 # Aedaren - not that I'm aware of. 01.40.35 # Aedaren - if you could make it configurable you would rock my box 01.40.46 # alright, I'll see what I can do... How do you reference the config file from one of these headers? 01.41.18 # Aedaren - that's the thing - you won't be able to do it that way. You'd have to change the C file (tree.c or wps.c) to do a lookup in the config, instead of using the numbers in the header files. 01.41.29 # It's not trivial. But it really shouldn't be very difficult either 01.42.04 # I don't know my way around rockbox code well enough myself - not sure how to query the config info 01.42.18 # that's fine 01.42.26 # Do you know of a file that has a good example? 01.42.34 # lemme take a look.. 01.42.48 # *Just made my first change to the code... in the chessclock* 01.43.00 # Aedaren - :-) what's the change 01.43.36 # I removed the reset function from the Iriver... I was trying to use the chessclock over the weekend, and the person doing it kept pressing the joystick in instead of hitting NEXT 01.43.40 # it reset each time 01.43.44 # We had to give up the game 01.43.47 # apps/settings.c seems to have all the stuff you need - not yet sure how to *use* it but should be straightforward 01.43.58 # Aedaren - hehe. 01.46.34 # As for *using* options - I guess firmware/drivers/lcd-h100.c should have plenty of examples in it (e.g. all the bidirectional scrolling options stuff) 01.48.36 # thanks, you're quite helpful 01.48.39 # I've got to go now 01.48.54 # see ya 01.49.45 Part Aedaren 01.59.37 Quit wehn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.00.17 Join wehn [0] (~fraser@218-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 02.01.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.01.59 Quit Moos (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The future of IRC") 02.05.36 Join stripwax [0] (~stripwax@213-228-241-36.dsl.prodigynet.co.uk) 02.06.09 # * stripwax has a shite irc client 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(TCK@81-86-98-99.dsl.pipex.com) 07.31.24 Join jpegreen [0] (~Jeremy@c-67-168-45-48.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 07.31.37 # Anyone here using linux 07.34.48 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.35.44 # Hey seriously I am looking to change over to linux solely from a dual boot system and would like someones opinion whats better... Redhat, Fedora Core 4 or Debian.... or what is your flavor of choice and why? 07.37.56 # Debian out of those 07.38.48 # I've not used it but I know the other 2, ESPECIALLY FC4, are bloated 07.40.12 # Coldtoast: what are you using? 07.40.21 # heh. Mandriva 07.40.43 # a lot of ppl dislike it tho cos it uses rpm 07.41.12 # I come from a Windows world tho, so it's easier for me 07.41.22 # I have a dual boot system running Mandrake 9.2 and Windows XP pro I am a little tired of the rpm proccess 07.41.41 # yeah. ppl don't much like rpm 07.42.11 # I have a new vid card on the way tho and have 4 HDDs in this system 07.42.13 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (as@area51.users.madwifi) 07.42.41 Join webguest38 [0] (~c31ce021@labb.contactor.se) 07.43.02 # I have gotten the gambit from "You should use Linspire" :( to use Slackware and I am overwhelmed 07.43.03 # so once that arrives, I have to reorganise what's in my machine so I can give the new card it's own power with nothing else on the same set of rails 07.43.22 # there's ARE too many f*cking dists out there 07.44.01 # and ppl will push whatever their fave dist is like madmen. Accordign to them, everything but the one they favour is TERRIBLE 07.44.10 # Well I don't agree there each distro is good in its own way but picking one is a pain in the a$$ 07.44.22 # you don't need LITERALLY dozens of them tho 07.44.26 # and there ARE dozens 07.45.23 # Just for the intel machine and then dozens more for the other machines out there 07.45.27 # but life's all about choice and you sure do have that with Linux, at least 07.46.14 # I'd SO love to switch to Linus completely 07.46.25 # but there are things I just HAVE to use Windows for 07.46.43 # and the vid card I'm gettign would be completely wasted in Linux 07.47.17 # err... Linus=Linux, btw. heh 07.47.48 # I have set up a fedora core 4 machine and a Redhat 9 machine but am having problems setting up a debian machineto try each of the distros and I am not sure which one of these are going to do exactly what I want though they all will do them which one is the best at doing it is still up for debait 07.48.24 # moin 07.49.19 # QT: what OS are you using? 07.49.38 # $ uname -rs 07.49.38 # Linux 2.4.28 07.49.45 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (~dreamtact@adsl-156-19-56.bna.bellsouth.net) 07.49.46 # on thix box here 07.49.54 # it is a Debian Woody install 07.50.13 # the 'oldstable' that had been recplaced recently with Sarge 07.50.24 # So you like the Debian distro\ 07.50.39 # yes, very much! using it since a couple of years 07.50.48 # made me switch from redhat linux to debian 07.52.12 # I have the sarge distro and am ready to set it up an a machine and am having problems... Downloaded the Binary and haven't been able to figure out how to get it to work 07.52.27 # hmm 07.52.35 # shouldn't be too difficult 07.52.47 # boot from the CD and hit a few times return. that is usually it ;) 07.53.32 # I know but I am for some reason I can't get it to work the files maybe corrupt and I should just redownload the source 07.53.48 # sounds like 07.53.54 # you have fast internet connection? 07.54.07 # i would encourage you to only download the netinstall ISO 07.54.29 # it is about 100MB and just contains the installer and the base system. all the packages will be downloaded on request from the net during install 07.54.42 # just download it and put it on a CDRW 07.55.09 # I am Dling the woody install disk right now 07.55.19 # no, don't use woody 07.55.28 Join Bger [0] (~Bager@83.222.160.88) 07.55.30 # it does not detect hardware automatically as the Sarge installer does 07.55.30 # hi all 07.55.39 Join merbanan [0] (banan@130.240.208.71) 07.55.43 # moin Bger 07.55.53 # very rainy morning ... 07.56.20 # rather a rainy weekday than a rainy weekend day :-) 07.56.22 # Aqren't yopu using woody? 07.56.53 # jpegreen: i do but only because this install (my router and firewall actually) is kinda old. installed some years ago.... 07.57.05 # on a new system i would vote for the current stable version 07.57.08 # and that is Sarge 07.57.50 # Ok 07.58.21 # Let me ask you this what exactly was it that made you choose Debian? 07.59.02 # it can be upgraded during operation and it is the only distro that can upgrade properly between major versions 07.59.41 # before i used redhat and every new release was a pain to upgrade to 08.00.08 # also redhat was at the point of time not "open" enough and they focused too much on US requirements 08.00.15 # So more uptime is good since you don't have to reboot during upgrade? 08.00.28 # for example: try to do ISDN with Redhat. a pure nightmare (at least 10 years ago) 08.00.30 Quit banan_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.00.42 # jpegreen: exactly 08.01.02 # and more over there is a foreseen (shell) process for upgrading 08.01.30 # other distros do not even know something like that. all they can offer is to let you boot from the CD and choose upgrade and then pray all will be working 08.01.56 # This is exactly my problem since I am an admin for a web dev team ... I want to keep my system running for as long as possible with the least amount of down time and rebooting causes down time 08.02.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.02.13 # so i like to keep control on the shell and do not hand-over to some upgrade process which is unknown what it will do 08.02.27 # jpegreen: then debian is what you want! 08.02.39 # * Bger plans to start a new wiki page regarding future USB-OTG support in Rockbox 08.02.40 # use debian stable on this box as the release cycle is usually long 08.02.41 # I am trying to show my boss that linux would be a better solution than the Windows sertver that we are using at this time 08.02.57 # usb-otg sounds great bger 08.03.18 # jpegreen: with debian stable you get a new version every 3 or 4 years 08.03.35 # so you can run the same OS for quite some time and can spend your time on important things 08.03.45 # or more important things 08.04.06 # This is good 08.04.23 # for a server yes. for a desktop probably not 08.05.51 # I am setting up three machines running three distros and I will see which ones are best for what and use the right ones for the right jobs.... As my father once told me use the right tools for the job 08.06.18 # exactly 08.06.18 # Debian sounds like the right tool for the server job 08.07.12 # If I could use Debian for all jobs it would be great since all systems would be from a free"dom" based OS 08.07.18 # No more windows 08.07.31 # it probably has a steeper learning curve at the beginning but this will serve you well in the long run 08.09.42 # I have been running both Windows at work and a dual boot system at home.. Windows XP pro and Mandrake 9.2 for the last 3 years so running a linux system should not be a problem I don't think? 08.09.58 Join Cka3ka [0] (~Cka3ka@ool-4355b700.dyn.optonline.net) 08.10.02 # hey hey 08.10.05 # anyone around 08.10.06 # =-) 08.10.09 # yes 08.10.13 # wassup 08.10.21 # you on the production team? =-) 08.10.32 # nope 08.10.35 # Qt: is there a steep learning curve between Mandrake 9.2 and Debian 08.10.41 # nope 08.10.47 # i used mandrake 10 for quite a bit 08.10.57 # jpegreen: well, on the admin side yes. on the pure user side no 08.11.01 # it was ok till i had to formatt and got too lazy to install 08.11.34 # jpegreen: you should get used to the package tool as quick as possible and then everything is quite easy IMO 08.11.36 # if hes gonna be using it for admin, the learning curve shouldnt scare him away ;-) 08.11.43 # What is the difference on the Admin side? 08.11.50 # Cka3ka: nobody said that 08.12.05 # jpegreen: well, every distro has its way to do things 08.12.19 # Yep this is true 08.12.19 # and you need to learn the debian way in order to use it efficiently 08.12.27 # speaking of linux, whats going on with those patents? 08.12.30 # so this is about the learning curve 08.12.38 # which patents? 08.12.41 # Got you 08.12.42 # european? 08.12.51 # the whole eu being a pain 08.13.02 # whois trying to patent Linux? 08.13.11 # not pattent linux 08.13.15 # make software pattentable 08.13.23 # hence making linux practically illegal 08.13.29 # What a$$es 08.13.30 # that is not true 08.13.38 # why should linux be illegal> 08.13.38 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.13.38 # you know it is, it kills all guis 08.13.45 # that's what I thought 08.13.53 # Sounds really stupid 08.14.04 # yea large companies make money that way 08.14.05 # if i download linux from some server in china i do not need to care about european law 08.14.14 # but 08.14.20 # linux is being developed in europe 08.14.29 # far as i know 08.14.32 # that does not matter 08.14.39 # and will stop doing so if those patents come through 08.14.39 # Linux is being developed everywhere... DUH 08.14.42 # i guess key is where it is distributed 08.14.55 # guys hold up ill pull up the web 08.15.00 # im surprised you havnt heard of this 08.15.04 # the patents will rather hit small software companies than the linux development 08.15.09 # i havnt been following the news too much 08.15.18 # i am a supporting member of FFII.org 08.15.35 # The GPL and GNU licenses make development legal every where 08.16.06 # development can't be prosecuted anyway. only distribution 08.16.43 # "With a truly overwhelming majority the EU parliament has rejected the proposed software patent directive last week." 08.16.52 # sorry lolm, havnt been stick with the news =-) 08.16.57 # :) 08.16.59 # that happened in july 08.17.00 # so its all good 08.17.10 # but no man, mplayer was about to get shut down 08.17.18 # the key voting in the EU parliament will happen soon 08.17.23 # it does stop both development and distro 08.17.25 # I have a friend that has done a lot of research on this and the development and distrobution of "LINUX" is covered by the GNU and The GPL in all countries all over the world 08.17.39 # not the point 08.17.39 # look 08.17.45 # companies like microsoft 08.17.46 # and apple 08.17.50 # jpegreen: if there is code that violates some patent then the GPL won't help 08.17.59 # can say, that "taskbar" is ours, pay to use it 08.18.04 # or that icon 08.18.11 # and since all the gui's are so similar 08.18.22 # as well as programming in general 08.18.26 # i know 08.18.38 # it can be innovative, but still retain some small resembalance 08.18.43 # and then be stopped 08.18.57 # im glad this didnt pass, though in the long run i feel its bad for us 08.19.12 # This is true buit on the base level of the LINUX distro no the other apps that run on it the GPL does cover it 08.19.26 # gpl covers almost nothing 08.19.48 # a large company can shut down a linux distro the very SECOND there are patent laws 08.19.53 # software patent* 08.20.05 # the thing is 08.20.13 # its like we're kicking ourselves while going through this 08.20.15 # cus for now 08.20.18 # its horrible 08.20.21 # I am going to disagree 08.20.26 # cus it stunts developmnet 08.20.31 # lemme finish the idea ;-) 08.20.43 # if we patent software now, it stunts development 08.20.57 # and hence we dont get as far ahead in terms of technology 08.20.58 # but 08.21.04 # if we dont put them into place, 08.21.14 # the whole economic side will be stunted 08.21.16 # in the future 08.21.21 # and as much as i understand this 08.21.27 # GPL covers accordingt o my friend that is a technology dev lawer the base systems of LINUX for distro and developement 08.21.43 # and see that im probably gonna end up working at some big company, cursing at a lack of software pattents that stop money from coming in 08.21.49 # it just seems so far off to not matter 08.22.08 # dude, software patents are above that 08.22.22 # the reason gpl works is cus software pattents dont exist 08.22.31 # at least in europe 08.22.38 # you hear of any distros being made in the us? 08.22.48 # like based in us, im not saying a few programmers 08.22.52 # not likley 08.22.52 # Or in china etc. but what does that matter 08.23.05 # because thats where people live man 08.23.22 # youre not gonna move to china or africa to work on linux 08.23.24 # btw 08.23.25 # about china 08.23.26 # Cka3ka: redhat linux 08.23.27 # People live everywhere 08.23.28 # you know whats funny? 08.23.36 # really? red hat is us based? didnt know that 08.23.41 # yes 08.23.47 # Yeop Redhat is deved in the US 08.23.49 # hmm, wonder how that works 08.23.57 # even listed on the US stock exchange 08.24.01 # hmm 08.24.03 #