--- Log for 13.08.105 Server: brown.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 11 hours ago 00.03.15 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050720]") 00.14.00 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (i=a2b0y@82-43-212-52.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.15.38 # <]RowaN[> guys, ive replaygained my entire collection, but in rockbox when i go to the "who ID3 info" screen from WPS context menu, it says "no info" for track gain & album gain. any ideas? 00.15.58 # <]RowaN[> "show ID3 info", even 00.27.08 Quit hanklords (Remote closed the connection) 00.31.27 # ]RowaN[: did you actually use ID3 tags? AFAIK, ReplayGain writes APEv2 tags by default (and so does foobar) 00.36.08 # anybody out there use ID3 browse mode? 00.42.13 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 00.51.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.14.01 # * HCl reads the technical gobbilygook talk between amiconn and LinusN, and pretends he understands 01.14.07 # sup? 01.14.08 # o.o 01.17.38 # * LinusN falls asleep 01.17.52 # nite all 01.17.56 Part LinusN 01.20.16 # <]RowaN[> all my tracks have id3 tags yes, written in winamp.. foorbar2000 added the replaygain tags tho 01.20.30 # <]RowaN[> that explains it then i guess 01.20.39 # <]RowaN[> and rockbox uses the apev2 replaygain tags? 01.21.02 # nope 01.21.19 # id3 tags 01.21.48 # <]RowaN[> so, how can i write id3 replaygain tags? 01.22.26 # configure foobar for it writes tag to id3 01.23.00 # any chance to get rockbox to support apev2? 01.23.06 # by default is APE, just change this and it'll work like a charme ;) 01.23.53 # ender: there is a patch in the tracker but any dev add it to Rb 01.24.18 # <]RowaN[> moos where in the options of foorbar please? 01.24.36 # look for Input->Standard Inputs 01.25.26 # <]RowaN[> its set to "ApeV2 & ID3v1" .. so it should have written id3 tags afterall 01.25.33 # <]RowaN[> but rockbox doesnt cant see them 01.25.42 # id3v1 doesn't support much 01.25.48 # id3 v2 with RB 01.25.50 # only artist, title album and year 01.25.59 # <]RowaN[> id3 v2 ah ok 01.26.30 # <]RowaN[> hmm it says it gonna stip all other tags now if i write id3v2 info to any file 01.26.32 # * ender` 'll just wait for the patch to make it in the main tree :) 01.27.11 Quit ReKleSS ("Q: What do you call someone with herpes, AIDS, syphilis, and gonorrhea? A: An incurable romantic") 01.27.19 # * ]RowaN[ is scared 01.27.38 # you won't loose anything, just all retagging will take much longer 01.28.00 # exactly 01.28.06 # also, you'll have to rewrite all tags 01.28.18 # yes it is 01.28.29 # select all files, choose properties, add and delete a value, then update the files 01.29.04 # <]RowaN[> ah if i select "ID3V2 & ID3V1" then it probably wont touch the existing tags and be able to write replaygain just to id3v2 without messing anything else around 01.30.16 # Rowan: try with just few songs or just 1 song and you'll see :) 01.31.09 # btw, how does rockbox handle low battery conditions? does it poweroff before the battery runs out completely, or does the hardware do this automatically? 01.32.04 # just warning if I remenber good 01.32.24 # not included in bootloader one fonction like original fw 01.32.33 # currently :) 01.34.23 Quit Craig__ ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050716]") 01.36.13 # time to go to sleep 1h35am here in Paris and wake up at 6h am :( 01.36.23 # good night all 01.36.34 Part Moos 02.20.53 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 02.32.46 Join midk [0] (n=Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 02.51.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.54.29 Quit ender` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.40.49 Quit ]RowaN[ () 03.52.31 Quit midk ("Leaving") 03.52.37 Join midk [0] (n=Zakk@c66-235-14-120.sea2.cablespeed.com) 04.05.51 Join QT_ [0] (i=as@madwifi/users/area51) 04.08.54 Quit hicks (Remote closed the connection) 04.17.39 Quit QT (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.19.36 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: the Cadillac of all clients") 04.48.08 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.55.55 Quit solex (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.01.15 Join solex [0] (n=jrschulz@d001228.adsl.hansenet.de) 05.50.15 Join zipr [0] (n=4421b263@labb.contactor.se) 05.55.03 Quit Strath ("Client closed") 05.56.19 Quit zipr ("CGI:IRC") 06.19.42 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A8E3A2.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.51.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.52.02 Join Garrett [0] (i=1000@dial-153-201-11-01.ind.iquest.net) 06.53.59 Quit Garrett (Client Quit) 07.01.43 Join Garrett [0] (i=1000@dial-153-201-11-01.ind.iquest.net) 07.02.12 # Hello all, if anyone's here. 08.45.33 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@chan530-a118.otenet.gr) 08.45.53 # Hello. 08.51.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.30.07 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-146.VIC.netspace.net.au) 10.01.51 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h244n6c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 10.09.44 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@tm.213.143.74.124.dc.telemach.net) 10.13.06 Join silencer [0] (n=silencer@zen.via.ecp.fr) 10.18.57 Quit silencer_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.39.04 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@carlsberg.heim2.tu-clausthal.de) 10.44.55 Join bumi [0] (n=blabla@bzq-80-22-250.red.bezeqint.net) 10.45.16 # hey 10.45.19 # anyone here? 10.45.33 # Bger? 10.51.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.57.02 Quit Garrett (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.20.53 Join hanklords [0] (n=hank@gov91-1-82-234-90-79.fbx.proxad.net) 11.51.22 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 11.58.46 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050720]") 12.04.58 Quit bumi ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 12.06.29 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-155-174.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 12.14.09 Join leftright [0] (n=d4406110@labb.contactor.se) 12.14.25 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m29.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.30.58 # gapless is very good, 12.32.39 # yes, 12.34.30 # thanks to Lear for improvment :) 12.44.47 Join tandoc [0] (n=harbl@c210-49-191-25.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.48.29 # anyone alive in here? 12.49.01 Join Master-Shadow [0] (n=KdTMaste@pD9533DB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.49.11 # hiho 12.51.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.58.23 Join Febs [0] (n=Febs@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.59.16 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.01.50 Join bumi [0] (n=blabla@bzq-80-22-250.red.bezeqint.net) 13.03.07 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m29.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.06.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@chan530-a118.otenet.gr) 13.18.12 Join yes [0] (n=User@a81-14-130-52.net-htp.de) 13.23.10 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p54AAD861.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.29.55 # where can I see which update from rockbox is on my player and which is the newest? 13.30.31 # hmm... menu -> info -> rockbox info, i think. 13.30.34 # or credits, yeah. 13.30.43 # shows on the bottom the date of the build, you can get the latest daily or release from the site. 13.30.59 # hm and where? 13.31.02 # when you switch it on, it will flash the current version just as the Rockbox logo appears, but uts very quick 13.31.10 # I have found this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort 13.31.21 # but I can t see there what the newest build is 13.31.35 # daily build page 13.31.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 13.31.59 # and than? 13.32.27 # if it's newer, install it? 13.32.52 # choose lastest with photo of your model 13.33.14 # go to the bottom of the daily build page, and download the Bleeding Edge build 13.33.17 # this is the build of the day (update every 6h am) 13.33.22 # ah okay I see :) 13.33.41 # or choose the bleeding edge build 13.33.47 # So If I have a ihp-140 I must chose this? http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20050813.zip 13.33.49 # for the very lastest 13.34.11 # you can try the bleeding edge buil 13.34.17 # whats that? 13.34.24 # daily build 13.34.31 # for have got the modifs of this morning eg 13.34.34 # not bleeding edge 13.35.11 # I think http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20050813.zip is the newest one? 13.35.15 # Master-Shadow: depand of you, choose daily or bleeding edge 13.35.22 # no, thats the dail 13.35.39 # the latest is the bleeding edge at the bottom of the page 13.35.52 # ah okay than should I download this :D 13.37.12 # so the bleeding egde is at every time the newest update? 13.37.19 # yes 13.37.40 # when they add a patch, get it from the bleeding edge 13.38.17 # they then incorporate all patches into one for the daliy release at 0600am 13.38.36 # okay Now I have copied every file 13.38.42 # I just need to restart my pl,ayer? 13.38.47 # yes 13.39.09 # nothing like "Update Firmware" or something? 13.39.14 # no 13.39.19 # just restart 13.39.33 # and how can I see if the installation was succesfull? 13.39.46 # does it work :) 13.39.49 # :D 13.40.42 # the version number is displayed when the rockbox logo appears, the version number is very briefly displayed, you mudt read it quickly 13.41.16 # below the rockbox logo to be exact 13.41.23 # just go to menu - info - credits, and it shows it for a couple seconds. 13.41.58 # no it doesnt show bledding edge version there 13.42.09 Join hicks [0] (n=hicks@zeus.mups.co.uk) 13.42.25 # i don't think it's changed since i've used rockbox 13.42.28 # sorry, you're right it does 13.42.31 # it shows the logo and the text. 13.42.37 # :) 13.42.39 # :) 13.43.36 # leftright: it show the time stamp of the build ;) 13.43.54 # me runs and hides 13.45.56 # 050813-1026 Is my version 13.45.56 Quit Master-Shadow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.45.59 # *searches for leftright* 13.46.36 # anyone here familiar with ata.c? 13.50.38 Join LinusN [0] (N=linus@labb.contactor.se) 13.50.44 # linus :D 13.50.51 # tandoc: i know ata.c pretty well 13.50.59 # which part of ata.c did you edit to remove the check registers 13.51.05 # so i can compile myself 13.51.34 # i have an idea for an experiment 13.51.55 # is your dev env up and running? 13.52.07 # kinda, but i installed the wrong thing 13.52.18 # wrong thing? 13.52.32 # i didn't build my own crosscompiler 13.52.39 # 'WARNING These versions do not work correctly to build current rockbox code.' 13.52.42 # i didn't see that 13.53.12 # as far as i know, it's only the Dumb codec that fails, right? 13.53.36 # i have no idea ;) 13.53.44 # you haven't tried building? 13.53.51 # i did, then i saw the warning msg 13.54.02 # and i didn't know which part of atc.c to remove 13.55.37 # tandoc: in the file tools/configure, line 526 13.55.45 # remove "dumb" 13.55.59 # then reconfigure 13.57.52 # the one under 'archos="h120"'? 13.58.41 # yes 13.59.00 # still, which part of ata.c do i remove? 13.59.19 # tandoc: first things first 13.59.23 # okay >.> 13.59.30 # build a complete firmware and install it 13.59.40 # just to verify that everything works 13.59.58 # then we'll modify ata.c 14.00.18 # because i suspect there is a bug in ata.c 14.00.41 # hey Linus 14.00.43 # whats up? 14.00.56 # not much, working on the fm radio 14.01.05 # say, did you see that remote patch? the one at misticriver? 14.01.06 # cool 14.01.08 # FM 14.01.08 # :D 14.01.18 # yes i've seen that patch 14.01.34 # why isnt it in the CVS? 14.01.44 # compiling now 14.01.44 # because it's a hack 14.02.24 # ermm 14.02.27 # it failed. 14.02.30 # damn 14.02.41 # i'll install that crosscompiler 14.02.48 # what was the message? 14.03.21 # what do you mean its a hack? 14.03.29 # its porly programed? 14.03.35 # err.. /home/tandoc/rockbox-13-08/tools/convbdf: Command not found 14.03.37 # and 14.03.44 # bumi: it's a quick and dirty solution 14.03.49 # oh, ok 14.03.55 # tandoc: you didn't follow the instructions 14.04.04 # i know >.> 14.04.15 # any clue when real remote sepport will be added? 14.04.20 # and in that note 14.04.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 14.04.42 # number 5 14.04.45 # is there a msi installer or something like that for the entire rockbox devkit 14.04.54 # bumi: yes 14.06.04 # bluechip has put together a "devkit" on his home page: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/cyborgsystems/CS_Main/RockBox/RockBox.htm 14.07.22 # should i just use that >.> 14.07.32 # your choice 14.07.46 # i don't use it 14.07.57 # but many others do 14.08.03 # okay, i've done which sh-elf-gcc 14.08.06 # and it's not found 14.08.11 # do i just run setup.exe again 14.08.28 # tandoc: you're not a developer, are you? 14.08.35 # nope... 14.09.11 # did you read this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 14.09.18 # yes 14.09.21 # i followed that 14.10.03 # hmm, i see now that it isn't *entirely* clear 14.10.35 # step 3 14.10.44 # the iriver has a coldfire cpu 14.10.55 # yeah, i installed the coldfire packages 14.11.10 # tandoc okay, i've done which sh-elf-gcc 14.11.33 # so you said 14.12.17 # sh-elf-gcc is the sh1 compiler 14.12.31 # no wait 14.12.34 # i have m68k 14.12.35 # >.> 14.13.03 # so once again, how far does it get when you compile? 14.13.48 # oh wait 14.13.50 # nevermind 14.13.54 # i once again didn't follow instructions 14.16.03 # * HCl rubs his nose 14.16.17 Quit bumi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.16.38 # okay it just failed at calculator.c 14.19.08 # calculator.c: In function 'typingProcess': 14.19.28 # calculator.c:1087: error: insn does not satisfy its contraints 14.28.49 Nick Sucka is now known as Sucka`away (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-155-174.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 14.34.27 Quit silencer (Nick collision from services.) 14.36.54 DBUG Enqueued KICK tandoc 14.36.54 # 12(10 LinusN 12): okay, successfully compiled it 14.36.55 Join Toni1 [0] (n=91febf06@labb.contactor.se) 14.37.01 # hello 14.37.08 # hello 14.37.27 Part tvelocity ("Leaving") 14.37.59 Join NekoNoNiaow [0] (n=NekoNoNi@dyn-83-153-25-140.ppp.tiscali.fr) 14.38.32 # I found, why the fm tuner does not detect any station 14.38.42 # (on iriver) 14.38.55 # hi, ladies and gentlemen 14.39.09 # hi 14.39.19 # (though, i'd bet the percentage of ladies is quite small here :) ) 14.39.21 # hi NekoNoNiaow 14.39.45 # It seems, that the tuner on irver uses a different crystal 14.40.28 # is there anyone familiar with gmini development here ? 14.40.59 # XTAL have to be set to "1" 14.41.23 # I don't 14.41.52 Join Master-Shadow [0] (n=KdTMaste@pD9533DB5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.42.22 # I think gemini development has stopped a few month ago in rockbox 14.43.45 # it seems so 14.44.13 # i'm trying to compile gemoss under mac os x, so i'm getting a few problems :) 14.45.00 # Bye all 14.45.02 Part Toni1 14.49.49 Join patcher [0] (n=50837345@labb.contactor.se) 14.50.50 Join silencer_ [0] (n=silencer@zen.via.ecp.fr) 14.50.52 # Hi! I would like to report recent crashes of my iriver rockbox daily build. Is this the right place? 14.51.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.52.53 # Well, ok. Here I go anyway :) 14.52.58 # the faq should answer your question ;) 14.53.43 # gasp, I forgot my old nickname's password 14.54.21 # bbl 14.54.24 Quit patcher (Client Quit) 14.54.25 Quit NekoNoNiaow () 14.54.41 Join NekoNoNiaow [0] (n=NekoNoNi@dyn-83-153-25-140.ppp.tiscali.fr) 14.54.50 Join patcher [0] (n=50837345@labb.contactor.se) 14.55.58 # My details: iriver H120, v1.65 EU, Rockbox daily build: rockbox-h120-20050813 14.57.36 # Error: when skipping a song via the remote, sometimes (could not reliable reporduce the error) my iriver crashes with disk activity continuing and the following error message: 14.57.58 # I03: AddrErr at 31023304 14.58.32 # Do you need any more details? Is this bug known? 14.59.25 Quit leftright ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.00.19 Join Strath [0] (i=mike@dgvlwinas01pool0-a251.wi.tds.net) 15.06.27 Part patcher 15.17.28 # tandoc: sorry, been on the phone 15.17.45 # i see you managed to compile it 15.20.47 # yup 15.20.53 # was playing cs >.> 15.21.34 # so what's next? 15.22.59 # i guess you have ata: -32 now, right? 15.23.37 # erm 15.23.39 # lemme load it 15.24.40 Join nobby [0] (n=nobby@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com) 15.25.31 Quit Master-Shadow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.26.20 # yeah 15.26.22 # ata error 15.26.39 # ok, open ata.c 15.26.52 # yup 15.26.53 # line 1379 15.27.02 # tandoc okay, i've done which sh-elf-gcc 15.27.05 # if (hard_reset && !wait_for_bsy()) 15.27.07 # sorry 15.27.22 # remove "hard_reset &&" 15.27.36 # if (!wait_for_bsy()) 15.29.10 # coolies 15.29.10 # thx 15.29.27 # did it work? 15.29.53 # we'll see... 15.36.33 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-65.VIC.netspace.net.au) 15.36.53 # hmm 15.36.55 # still happens 15.36.59 # i'll try compiling again 15.37.14 # don't 15.37.54 # do like this instead: 15.38.44 # remove everything from the "symptom fix" comment up to, but not including, the "return 0;" 15.39.07 # the first fix was just a test 15.39.30 Join Toni1 [0] (n=91febf28@labb.contactor.se) 15.39.35 # hi Toni1 15.39.38 # Hi Linus 15.39.49 # I managed to get stations 15.39.51 # but leave the '}' below the return 0? or remove that too 15.39.54 # i have your i2c running on my device 15.40.06 # ah I see 15.40.09 # tandoc: "up to, but not including" 15.40.15 # okay okay 15.40.23 # Now the frequencies have to be recalculated 15.40.39 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.40.45 # done 15.40.52 # LinusN: Do you know how to do it 15.42.52 Part amiconn 15.43.07 # Toni1: i think you divide by 32768 instead of 50000 15.44.11 # LinusN: OK, I will try 15.45.46 # do i need to edit anything else? 15.45.56 # tandoc: n 15.45.58 # o 15.46.05 # compile failed 15.46.37 # what does it say? 15.47.06 # drivers/ata.c: In function 'set_features'; 15.47.35 # drivers/sta.c:1359: error: 'rc' undeclared (first use in this function) 15.47.39 # *ata 15.48.23 # erm one sec 15.48.37 # highlighting in my command prompt is acting up 15.48.37 # you must have deleted a lot more than i told you 15.48.52 # =___= 15.49.09 # 8 lines 15.49.14 # ohh 15.49.14 # yeah 15.49.16 # way too much 15.51.15 # 8 lines from (and including) the symptom fix comment is 'return -1' 15.51.39 # OHHHH 15.51.41 # you said up 15.51.43 # so i went up 15.51.51 # omfg i'm stupid >.< 15.52.39 # :-) 15.53.39 # and this is why i don't run *nix... 15.53.54 # because you're stupid? 15.54.30 # that, and it'd take me forever to get stuff running... 15.54.44 # unless it had an rpm :D 15.56.45 # ata error: -10 15.57.40 # LinusN: Calculation works great, now "only" the sound is missing. 15.57.42 # really? 15.57.49 # :-) 15.57.51 # tandoc: really? 15.57.54 # yeah 15.58.03 # oh wait 15.58.10 # damnit 15.58.16 # i think i took more off than i needed to 15.59.13 # Toni1: i'm working on the sound 15.59.44 # LinusN: Goodie. 16.00.14 # Have to leave. Bye all. 16.00.17 Part Toni1 16.04.26 # 12(10 LinusN 12): works now 16.05.22 # thx :) 16.09.21 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.09.21 # * Lost-ash ponders constructing a large EMP device 16.09.36 # some fuckwits are playing music at full volume a few doors away 16.09.53 # i'm almost willing to nuke the entire block's electrical equipment just to shut them up 16.10.18 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-123-65.VIC.netspace.net.au) 16.10.31 # apartment complex or houses? 16.12.12 # nah, there's a "community center" across the street that keeps getting booked for private functions 16.12.27 # they were letting off fireworks too. nevermind that those are completely illegal here 16.12.48 # dial 000 16.12.50 # :D 16.12.56 # considered it 16.13.04 # but i cbf'ed dropping my modem connection :) 16.13.20 # police can break up functions that aren't registered and if it starts disrupting the neighbourhood 16.13.33 # well, it is saturday night, sif anyone is asleep yet D: 16.14.05 # fuck sleep. i'm trying to work. can't work with DOOFDOOFDOOFDOOFDOOFDOOFDOOOOOF flooding through the walls 16.14.08 Join t0mas [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 16.14.14 # hi 16.14.18 # Linus around? 16.14.23 # put on some headphones and listen to music 16.14.50 # (if I quit... just wait a moment... web/cgi client :)) 16.15.02 # tandoc: nah. trying to keep down on the headphone usage atm. might just retire to my room and turn on the tv instead. 16.15.09 # I've read the log from yesterday evening 16.15.13 # nothing good on 16.15.32 # tandoc: stopped raining on the cricket yet? 16.15.33 # ah there's rugby i guess 16.15.45 # nah 16.15.46 # don't think so 16.15.47 # t0mas: i'm here 16.15.53 # they seem to be showing highlights 16.15.54 # with music 16.16.06 # good. never thought i'd hope to see australia get saved by rain :{ 16.16.19 # lol 16.16.29 # i'm surprised mcgrath is playing 16.16.31 # luck 16.16.35 # erm... 16.16.37 # f*ck 16.16.45 # anyway, i'm off. 16.16.49 Quit ashridah ("attempted sleep.") 16.16.49 # my text input box has disappeared :X 16.16.53 # brb 16.16.56 Quit t0mas (Client Quit) 16.17.00 Join t0mas [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 16.17.10 # ah, there it is again :) 16.17.29 # Linus: I was reading about your I2C and pullup discussion with amiconn 16.17.44 # Austriancodec has written some I2C patch, have you read that too? 16.17.49 # *coder 16.18.02 Part yes ("bye") 16.18.48 # t0mas: yes i spoke to him earlier in the same log 16.19.36 # ah, ok... I missed that 16.19.47 # maybe we should ask him to check his broken player? 16.19.59 # if he has a pullup there is something wrong with some batch of irivers 16.20.09 # god knows how his driver worked though, without the pullup 16.20.50 # I2C has this "hardware AND" right? 16.20.56 # there is the pull-up for? 16.21.10 # yes 16.21.23 # so it isn't I2C compatible? 16.21.47 # or iRiver has done something we haven't found yet... 16.22.18 # iriver probably bit-bangs, like we do now 16.22.34 # is that explained somewhere in the log? 16.23.03 # meaning we control the i2c lines by hand, with gpio 16.23.11 # and not use the i2c controller 16.23.12 # ah ok 16.23.23 # btw, the controller worked just fine when i added a pullup 16.23.39 # someone at iriver goofed up then 16.25.03 # but what's the cost of doing it "manually" ? 16.25.13 # not much i think? 16.25.36 # no, just a tiny little extra cpu 16.25.43 # not a big deal 16.26.32 # hm... then the only "open" problem is why the other driver has worked on some devices 16.27.08 # it doesn't work on yours (w/o adding the pull-up) 16.27.20 # I can test it on mine if we have some testcode... 16.27.43 # it's the same with toni1 16.29.08 # * LinusN is listening to radio 16.29.20 # with the added resistor? 16.29.27 # or have you already written a new driver? 16.29.28 # no, bitbanging 16.29.38 # toni1 wrote it a few days ago 16.29.39 # patch availible somewhere? 16.29.45 # not yet 16.30.39 # patience, grasshopper :-) 16.30.59 # ghehe 16.31.04 # I like radio too ;) 16.31.10 # and my iriver firmware doesn't boot anymore :) 16.31.51 # will commit shortly 16.35.43 Quit tandoc () 16.35.59 # hm... 16.36.27 # reading the datasheet :) 16.36.44 # and wondering... what's the japanese band? 16.37.11 # (byte 4, bit 5) 16.39.46 # i dunno 16.40.51 Quit NekoNoNiaow () 16.42.29 # "The normal tuning range of a car radio designed for use in Japan is from 76 to 90 MHz." 16.42.43 # international is 87 - 108 right? 16.42.54 # think so 16.44.04 # that's intresting 16.44.15 # dutch police radio is just below 85 afaik 16.46.07 # ah.. 16.46.18 # 86,30 to 86,77 16.46.22 # depending on your location 16.51.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.06.35 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h244n6c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 17.09.12 Join NekoNoNiaow [0] (n=NekoNoNi@dyn-83-153-25-140.ppp.tiscali.fr) 17.10.32 # * LinusN goes to the supermarket 17.18.12 # i'd have a question for autoconf/configure experts if there are any here :) 17.20.27 # ? 17.20.29 # hm 17.20.36 # well... I'm surely not an expert 17.20.44 # but I have used it for quite some time now :) 17.21.00 # you certainly know more than me :) 17.21.10 # well... ask your question :) 17.21.21 # I'll get a drink in the meanwhile 17.23.24 # i'm on mac os x right now, trying to compile gemoss the gmini emulator, it doesn't compile because of a symbol (O_LARGEFILE) which doesn't exist on mac os x, so i've modified the source so that if XP_MACOSX is defined, then that symbol isn't used. It should be the case since XP_MACOSX seems to be Apple's standard define. 17.23.44 # ok 17.24.21 Join Lunchb0x [0] (n=dressedt@pcp04632374pcs.gambrl01.md.comcast.net) 17.24.25 # However, it's not defined at all, so i'm wondering where i should start inserting code/config stuff into the autoxxx files so that when a mac ox x platform is detected, then XP_MACOSX is defined by default in the makefiles and compiler invocations 17.24.39 Quit nobby (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.24.41 # hm.. 17.24.51 # it should be detected by the configure script 17.25.12 # ... let me try it again from scratch 17.25.16 # so autoconf should add a check to the configure script 17.25.48 # oops sorry i misunderstood you, right, that's what i'd like to tdo 17.26.18 # where should this be added ? 17.26.28 # and you use the configure script from gemoss now? 17.26.35 # or have you run autoconf yourself? 17.26.37 # yes 17.26.50 # hm... maybe you can try to install the newest autoconf 17.26.51 # and run that 17.27.03 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 17.27.06 # i'm following the indications on that page : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GminiPortDevelopment 17.27.09 # if that XP_MACOSX is a default define... it should be there 17.27.44 # ok I see, I was afraid of that, Apple's binutils are way too old 17.28.40 # do you have the configure.in file? 17.29.04 # ok, so my next task is now "find the less painful way to install the latest binutils on mac os x without screwing anything" :) 17.29.13 # let me check 17.29.22 # autoconf/automake aren't in binutils afaik 17.29.48 # truly enough :) 17.31.31 # no, configure.ac only 17.32.22 # hm... 17.32.29 # then you can't use autoconf yourself 17.33.06 # ok, so i need the latest one, well, I needed an excuse for installing fink anyway :) 17.33.25 # i'll try that , thanks ! 17.33.58 # you can add "-D XP_MACOSX" to the gcc commandline 17.34.06 # (as a workaround) 17.36.22 Join webguest15 [0] (n=519e8851@labb.contactor.se) 17.36.43 # yup, good idea 17.37.05 # where should I add this so i wont have to modify all makefiles ? 17.37.58 # erm... 17.38.06 # i do agree :) 17.38.17 # I think there is a global var for gcc options? 17.38.47 # i'm checking the upper makefile 17.39.52 # ok there's one, great 17.39.54 # there is a var: CXXFLAGS 17.40.00 # got it 17.40.40 # i can't believe i'm using vi under mac os x... 17.40.48 # hehe 17.41.01 # is there actually vi somewhere too, or just vim? 17.42.07 # VIM - Vi IMproved 6.2 (2003 Jun 1, compiled Mar 21 2005 02:12:42) 17.42.11 # to be precise 17.43.54 # argh, it's using g++, so it's CPPFLAGS instead 17.44.49 # erm no, thats not the problem 17.45.11 # gcc3 invokes g++ but it doesnt pass it the flags... 17.45.58 # which is normal since I should use cxxflags as you said 17.46.05 # i'm just completely dumb, it's official 17.46.13 # please shoot me :) 17.46.14 # ghe :) 17.46.23 # * t0mas is not an american... no gun ;-) 17.47.03 # good thing ;) 17.48.14 # jup 17.48.16 # well, same problem, still no flags passed 17.48.22 # i'm gonna put it everywhere 17.49.09 # k 17.49.09 Quit webguest15 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.49.53 # hum, no i got it 17.58.36 # editing the config.status does it 18.01.00 # ok, that part finally compiles, thank again 18.01.51 Quit TCK- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.02.08 # no problem :) 18.05.56 # i owe you a beer :) 18.20.25 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-86-208-132.dsl.pipex.com) 18.24.48 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.31.08 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-86-103-116.dsl.pipex.com) 18.32.33 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 18.46.27 Join nobby [0] (n=nobby@cpc1-bele3-3-1-cust167.belf.cable.ntl.com) 18.48.58 Nick Sucka`away is now known as Sucka (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-155-174.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 18.51.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.28.49 Quit Lear (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.21 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h244n6c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.47.00 Quit nobby (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.49.54 # * t0mas is formatting his iriver :) 19.50.07 # hope it starts working again after this 19.55.25 # :) 19.55.29 Quit t0mas ("CGI:IRC") 19.55.51 Join t0mas [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 19.55.59 # *oops* 19.55.59 # still no one with gmini binutil experience ? 19.58.26 # few people have 19.58.48 # there were only two people working on the gmini port 20.02.10 Join [-AIR-] [0] (n=air@chubbybeans.z-two.com) 20.02.39 # <[-AIR-]> hey. woah haven't bin here in a while.fm support like it. just upgrading to bellding edge. 20.02.54 # <[-AIR-]> object not found atm...exciting :D 20.03.45 # hm 20.03.51 # LinusN? 20.03.57 # build-h100/librockbox.a(tuner_philips.o)(.text 0x8e): In function `philips_set': 20.04.05 # firmware/tuner_philips.c:62: undefined reference to `logf' 20.04.58 # erm... 20.05.08 # and the simulator doesn't like radio-ing either :) 20.05.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/showlog.cgi?date=2005-08-13%2017%3A42%3A36&type=iriver%20H100%20-%20Simulator#prob1 20.08.20 # <[-AIR-]> oh. is there now recent build for the iriver h120 ? 20.08.26 # <[-AIR-]> oh. is there no recent build for the iriver h120 ? 20.08.36 # o 20.08.44 # it didn't build... because there is an error in it 20.08.50 # <[-AIR-]> o. 20.08.55 # <[-AIR-]> can you fix it ?? 20.08.59 # but I can fix that... after I've downloaded an editor 20.09.12 # * t0mas is in windows :( 20.10.17 # <[-AIR-]> kk 20.10.29 Join webguest07 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 20.10.35 # Radio! \o/ 20.11.07 # * t0mas is installing dev-cpp 20.11.30 # Hm... In what way is the radio support "lame"? 20.11.31 # Wasn't expecting that. What with the upcoming freeze. Imagined you'd rather work on Archos stuff 20.11.43 # Lear: it isn't working atm 20.11.43 # <[-AIR-]> iriver RULEZ 20.11.51 # <[-AIR-]> edit: rockbox RULEZ 20.12.00 # well, it doesn't build, but you mean other than that? 20.12.09 # Works For Me[tm] 20.12.22 # Lear: I don't know 20.12.34 # webguest07: hm? works?? 20.13.16 # Build and loads. Listening to radio right now. Have you updated like, within the last 20 minutes?' 20.13.40 # Less than 20 minutes, I'd guess... 20.13.40 # Wait, you said something about logf.. I'm running with logf enabled 20.14.08 # jup 20.14.09 # Heh, "oops" commit 20.14.12 # There was a checkin at :09, that might've fixed it... 20.14.12 # it's fixed now :) 20.14.19 # yes it has 20.14.42 # there always have to be an "oops" commit 20.14.58 # yes, you said that earlier :) 20.15.01 # I'm half beginning to think you do it on purpose 20.15.17 # ghehe 20.15.18 # the lameness comes from that the radio screen doesn't yet handle the preset menus 20.15.53 # Ah, I was about to ask how you do presets. 20.15.53 # needs a lot of rework to handle the different keymaps 20.16.07 # linus : oops sorry, i was not reading 20.17.34 # i'm having trouble compiling the cvs binutils under mac os x, gettext problem, hopefully it will be solved soon, but i guess more awaits me :) 20.17.57 # NekoNoNiaow: i don't envy you 20.19.11 # "All the power of unix!" indeed 20.19.30 Quit t0mas ("CGI:IRC") 20.19.39 # all the power of outdated binaries 20.20.02 # yeah, you need to have the latest jungle animal 20.20.42 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.20.45 # They're worse than MS with regards to semi-forced upgrades it seems 20.21.05 # Offtopic semi-trolling. Sorry. 20.21.05 # certainly feels like it yes 20.21.13 # :-) 20.21.38 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m29.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 20.21.48 # webguest07: how do you feel about the handling of weak stations, btw 20.22.13 # rockbox activates the soft-mute function in the fm chip 20.22.38 # at least, mac os x dev tools are free, both monetary and licensing 20.22.41 # which lowers the volume when there is bad reception 20.22.58 # Well.. I'm getting pretty bad reception overall (same with iriver firmware though), so I'm not sure I'm noticing 20.23.23 # oh wait, here was a local station.. sounding clear.. now to find a weak station 20.23.26 # iriver handles it differently, so you hear the loud static 20.23.44 # sorry if this is obvious to you, but i'd like to wipe all configure's caches in a source tree, how should i do this ? 20.24.08 # you shouldn't build in the source tree 20.24.18 # the build tree of course :) 20.24.20 Join t0mas [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 20.24.24 # #@$&*(@#$ 20.24.29 # I hate web clients 20.24.38 # easiest is rm -rf *;configure 20.24.38 # Hm.. would be interesting to make a recording of the two firmwares on the same frequency 20.24.40 # but I can't use normal IRC here :( 20.25.00 # linus: that one's looks nice, thanks 20.25.04 # I really haven't been using the iriver radio (because of less than stellar reception), so I don't really know the idfference 20.25.08 # one 20.25.20 # webguest07: you will notice when you hear it 20.25.36 # I'll try it. 20.25.40 # * webguest07 boots iriver firmware 20.26.06 # Now let me just wait a literal minute while it boots 20.26.23 # Still very confused what they're doing in this time 20.26.40 # this question i ask myself at every computer boot :) 20.27.00 # bad remenbers of the iriver fw :) 20.28.26 # LinusN: I'm not convinced this sounds worse than rockbox. Maybe a (temporary perhaps) option to turn off the feature to better test? 20.30.04 # Also, idea. Anything stopping running the cpu at 11mhz while on the fm screen? 20.30.30 # I don't get it, configure finds msgfmt, but the shell doesnt 20.30.49 # checking for msgfmt... msgfmt 20.31.04 # Well, maybe it's looking in places not in your path 20.31.17 # that's strange for a configure 20.31.20 # Also, idea. Anything stopping running the cpu at 11mhz while on the fm screen? <-- no... the iriver firmware does that... 20.31.27 # but maybe the UI gets to slow if we do it? 20.31.57 # I don't remember it posing much of a problem in the first days of Rockbox 20.32.03 # sure, scrolling longs lists was slow 20.32.08 # webguest07: the soft mute is used in the Archo Ondio version of Rockbox, and iriver shared the code. I'll add an option for that later on 20.32.11 # but there's not much going on in the fm screen 20.32.33 # webguest07: probably 20.32.46 # :D :D 20.32.51 # my iriver firmware works again 20.32.59 # time to update my bootloader 20.33.02 # webguest07: that's something we should consider 20.33.29 # i'll be away for a while, cu later 20.33.30 # I could run fm for weeks with this 2200mah battery then.. 20.33.36 # k 20.33.37 # cu 20.51.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.53.56 Quit hanklords (Remote closed the connection) 20.54.51 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050720]") 21.04.51 # Hrm, running at 11MHz doesn't seem to be a problem. 21.05.15 # (on FM screen) 21.05.39 # If I actually did put it at 11mhz 21.08.19 # problem is I can't tell the difference 21.08.33 # oh, it was 21.08.40 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@hmln-d9b8e182.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.10.09 Join [1]Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m29.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.10.10 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.10.13 Nick [1]Moos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m29.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.21.33 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@130.85.233.61) 21.21.33 Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.23.43 Join zezayer [0] (n=jake@87.81.166.52) 21.29.08 # hm 21.29.12 # I need some help... 21.29.35 # is there some way to make the peakmeter only react on bass? 21.29.46 # say tones < 120 hz 21.29.55 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 21.30.13 # (I have my backlight dimming connected to peakmeter output now :D) 21.30.50 # haha 21.31.38 # wow t0mas is there a patch available? 21.32.24 # where has the recording option gone in the latest bleeding edge its no longer in the debug menu? 21.33.01 # no idea 21.33.05 # and there is not yet ap atch 21.33.08 # *patch 21.33.19 # but it's working on high tones too 21.33.23 # so it's not looking to good 21.33.31 # I want it on bass tones only :) 21.34.11 # talk 2 they guys that made the original peak meter? 21.34.15 # The peakmeter seems only slightly music-related right now anyway 21.35.04 # zezayer: no, peakmeter is working from MAS samples... 21.35.12 # I want to filter that first 21.35.17 # lowpass 120 hz 21.35.21 # or something 21.35.28 # PCM Recording is still in my debug menu 21.35.51 # um, i didn't first get backlight at all with rockbox 21.36.05 # only after waiting for the backlight fadeout, it came 21.36.43 Join hshah [0] (n=acd657f0@labb.contactor.se) 21.36.53 # hm... 21.36.54 # hello 21.37.06 # there are some plugins doing things like what I want 21.37.11 # liking the new radio build... but can't test it 21.37.28 # can i get the latest bleeding edge as source code...? 21.38.09 # think so 21.38.21 # http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.gz 21.39.16 # why can't you test it? 21.39.51 Quit hshah (Client Quit) 21.39.51 Join hshah [0] (n=acd657f0@labb.contactor.se) 21.40.04 # where did u get that link from? 21.40.14 # what page is it on...? 21.40.27 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml bottom 21.41.34 # OMG - IM STUPID!!! 21.42.01 # I downloaded the H120 build... but didn't see the source link right next to it... 21.42.59 # *hits self around head* 21.47.16 # That's what #rockbox is for 21.49.38 Quit hshah ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.50.24 # Hrm, gminisp/120 doesn't define CPUFREQ_NORMAL/DEFAULT/MAX .. won't this end up being a problem at some point? 21.50.32 # (nevermind that gmini is pretty much broken) 21.50.53 # Guess this is why it's not in the daily build llist 21.52.14 # Probably the smallest problem for gmini. 22.03.34 # LinusN: Running FM screen at 11MHz seems completely harmless. (placed a call to set_cpu_frequency(CPUFREQ_NORMAL); and DEFAULT, respectively at the top and bottom of radio_screen() 22.05.49 # Bagder/LinusN? Do you know something about signal processing? 22.05.58 # or so I have to wait for preglow to return? :) 22.06.00 # Might not be the correct places, but at least for testing it seems to work. 22.06.04 # not much 22.06.10 # :( 22.06.15 # t0mas: you could try the mailing list 22.06.17 # * t0mas needs a low-pass filter 22.06.34 # and I can't google it up... 22.06.49 # I'm assuming the wavpack guy knows just a tiny bit 22.06.55 # and possibly others 22.08.29 # probably, rather 22.09.04 Quit t0mas ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.09.15 Join webguest15 [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 22.09.19 Nick webguest15 is now known as T (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 22.09.19 # A curse on cgi:irc 22.09.22 Nick T is now known as t0mas (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 22.09.26 # indeed :) 22.09.55 # were u talking 2 ur self there??! 22.10.16 # huh? 22.10.16 # ** mixed up webguest07 and webguest15 22.10.20 # ghehe, ok 22.10.24 # my wrong 22.10.29 # o.O my iriver just turned off 22.10.33 # this can't be right 22.10.40 # batteries? 22.10.42 # press the play button :P 22.10.43 # don't think so 22.10.59 # 48% full 22.11.09 # Was listening to radio. 22.11.15 # at 11mhz. 22.11.20 # auto pwer of otion maybe 22.11.26 # good point.. 22.11.37 # oops 22.11.39 # Sounds like a bug to me 22.11.46 # jup 22.11.57 # it thinks it's idle when you're listening to radio 22.12.08 # so I think you have the idle timeout option on? 22.12.14 # Yes 22.12.19 # absolutely 22.12.31 # No mystery then. 22.13.17 # could've sworn I had it running for longer than 5minutes 22.13.28 # maybe you didn't press a button for 5 minutes? 22.13.38 # Must not have 22.13.47 # t0mas: can you explain your snake commit? 22.14.03 # why always write 4 bytes? 22.14.17 # Bagder: No... I can't... 22.14.22 # seems... wrong 22.14.23 # it's XavierGr's patch 22.14.31 # but you committed it 22.14.36 # he tested it... I just checked if it compiled 22.14.46 # I don't like it 22.14.54 # I think its wrong 22.15.01 # hm... 22.15.09 # * t0mas checks what he had to say about it 22.15.11 # i understand the applecount fix, but definitely not the 4 22.15.32 # the count reset seems logical 22.15.35 # there was a prob with hiscore limited to 99 22.15.45 # hm... 22.15.57 # what's wrong with always writing 4 bytes? 22.16.12 # the patch fixed the applescore and hiscore > 99 22.16.14 # as long as he reads out 4 bytes too, there is no problem? 22.16.29 # well, first it doesn't support 9999 22.16.32 # Seems like a hack 22.16.51 # max score is 4000 22.17.07 # the read code is rather stupid as well 22.17.25 # hm 22.17.26 # line 477 22.17.27 # rb->snprintf(phscore,sizeof(phscore),"%d",init); 22.17.36 # oops 22.17.40 # yes, that'll make two bytes 22.17.46 # but if you read 4 22.17.51 # there's no trailing zero 22.17.59 # then atoi() on it is... 22.18.02 # funny 22.18.08 # ghe 22.18.14 # that's just waiting for a crash 22.18.17 # yes 22.18.17 # Hrm, my iriver should be turning off right about now 22.18.27 # %04d would solve it 22.18.34 # * NekoNoNiaow got gettext compiles and hopes the binutils will build 22.18.38 # hm, no 22.18.51 # ./me speaks strange english 22.18.55 # I think the save should be fixed to save the number with a newline afterwards 22.18.59 # and bad irc too :( 22.19.01 # using strlen() 22.19.06 # Bagder: or a \0 22.19.17 # and use readline() to read it back 22.19.20 # sure, but a newline is more readable if you load it with a text editor 22.19.24 # Well, using a newline would enable... yes, readline 22.19.50 # please, let us all pray together that the binutils will build :) 22.19.51 # ok, I'll edit it... 22.19.57 # and ask XavierGr next time I see him 22.20.19 # hi 22.20.28 # hm... 22.20.52 # Bagder: Why not just revert his change, and change the sizeof(phscore) on line 477 22.20.55 # as that is the bug... 22.21.05 # sizeof() doesn't work on an array... 22.21.06 # Hello Slasheri 22.21.17 # How often is the idle-poweroff thing checked? 22.21.18 # the radio seems to work fine. Btw, could the recording from radio be possible with external loopback cable from line out to line in if that's a hardware limitation? 22.21.18 # t0mas: yes it does 22.21.21 # Moos :) 22.21.26 # that is not the error 22.21.29 # lemme fix it 22.21.44 # Slasher: doesn't seem to be, someone on misticriver reported recording radio 22.21.56 # webguest07: ah, ok. Do you have any url? 22.21.57 # Slasher: recording works 22.22.00 # picking the line-in input o.O 22.22.18 # tune in on the station, leave the fm screen with the Play button 22.22.26 # I suppose that just reflects how the hardware works 22.22.27 # LinusN: recording from radio? that sounds nice :) 22.22.27 # enter the recording screen and choose Line In 22.22.45 # ah, interesting 22.22.46 # i will try 22.23.20 # :D 22.23.22 # * webguest07 tries it 22.23.54 # hehe, i can even play music while radio is on :D 22.24.03 # well, taht certainly left the hardware in an odd state 22.24.48 # (after exiting the record screen, the radio stopped, and I couldn't hear anything when I played the file) 22.24.53 # Works fine after a reboot though 22.25.08 # webguest07: go back to the radio screen and leave it with Stop 22.25.15 # did you use a loopback cable? 22.25.19 # Ah. 22.25.21 # Slasher: nope 22.25.24 # no, why? 22.25.27 # ok, i will try with it 22.25.59 # Got a good split-second of static at the beginning of the file. guessing this is a bug with the pcm recording code? 22.26.07 # the fm radio output is routed to the ADC input via an analog multiplexer 22.26.20 # which chooses between Line In and FM audio 22.26.26 # webguest07: yes 22.26.27 # Radio recording sounds just dandy though 22.26.58 # shit, build failed 22.27.45 # No point in reporting oddities with the pcm recording I suppose 22.27.47 # and because of source problems 22.27.52 # hmm, the recording seems to work fine 22.28.09 # it certainly does 22.28.24 # no interference from harddisk or other hardware 22.28.29 # did anyone try to compile the binutils for the gmini using cvs lately ? 22.28.37 # that's nice.. so we will have fm recording capability with an external loopback cable in future :) 22.28.45 # Why iriver isn't including this feature is confusing me 22.28.49 # NekoNoNiaow: nobody has been working on the gmini for ages 22.29.12 # Slasher: why the cable? 22.29.16 # i don't get it 22.29.20 # ages ? like millenaries ? years ? days ? :) 22.29.26 # oh, it works even without it? cool 22.29.27 # months 22.29.29 # trying that.. 22.29.45 # arg... 22.29.51 # I have it when I don't get things 22.29.59 # but this signal processing stuff is difficult 22.30.06 # i'm googling through rockbox/irc and i see jyp posts in february (i'vbt been further yet) 22.30.26 # ages, as in months 22.30.46 # jyp is the only one who worked on the gmini port 22.30.50 # and he vanished 22.30.51 # and the most irritating part is that preglow knows how to do it... and he isn't around 22.31.23 Join the_winch [0] (n=winch@195.60.16.190) 22.31.41 # i see 22.33.05 # before that, did he submit regularly to cvs ? 22.33.12 # yes 22.33.13 # LinusN: going to fm screen and back didn't work 22.33.24 # webguest07: yes, i realized that 22.33.32 # ok, so everything is not lost 22.33.35 # Alright. I'll shut up about it 22.33.49 # NekoNoNiaow: nothing is really lost 22.33.53 # NekoNoNiaow: just stalled 22.33.55 # it's not like a reboot is a big deal with rockbox 22.34.01 # :-) 22.34.16 # yes, the recording works really well. Only minor hardware initialization issues 22.34.29 # my first attempt hung 22.34.37 # the strange part being that the binutils don't compile, I guess it's due to the fact i'm on os x 22.34.42 # after 3 seconds 22.34.54 # hmm, i recorded something like 30s 22.34.56 # NekoNoNiaow: binutils for what? 22.35.04 # I just recorded 4:37 22.35.05 # for the cross compiler 22.35.05 # what target 22.35.11 # badger : gmini 22.35.11 # NekoNoNiaow: calmrisc? 22.35.12 # Listening to it now. 22.35.18 # yes gmini, calmrisc 22.35.24 # NekoNoNiaow: from their cvs? 22.35.28 # yes 22.35.49 # i'll be using samsung's sources tomorrow if i can't get the cvs ones to work 22.35.56 # i'll be trying at least 22.36.00 # it built for me 22.36.07 # I should stop using these headphones. It makes me sad going back to the in-ear pieces :-\ 22.36.10 # badger : under os x ? 22.36.12 # but I haven't uped from cvs in a while 22.36.13 # i get static everytime it saves to disk 22.36.17 # NekoNoNiaow: no 22.36.31 # LinusN: Noticeable? 22.36.35 # yes 22.36.43 # How long? 22.36.48 # i might try under linux too, i'll try tomorrow, but my desktop setup won't be practical for useful work 22.37.04 # webguest07: just while the red led is lit 22.37.13 # when rockbox accesses the disk 22.37.16 # Strange. Not seeing such a thing here. 22.37.16 # NekoNoNiaow: it would at least rule out/confirm a platform related problem 22.37.25 # yes 22.37.32 # Well, hearing. 22.37.55 # my problem is sharing files between mac os x and linux, smb seems the easiest but it's a pain in the ass to get working under linux 22.37.59 # (at least for me) 22.38.03 # * t0mas quits trying to filter 22.38.09 # when is preglow back? 22.38.21 # Didn't he say "about a week" a week ago? 22.38.22 # webguest07: a small "pffft" everytime it saves 22.38.40 # preglow (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) signed off 2 days and 7 hours ago ("ex") 22.38.54 # hm... 22.38.55 # t0mas, maybe Lear'll can help you when he'll back 22.39.07 # Lear does something in the dsp field too? 22.39.18 # i believe 22.39.18 # LinusN: I really can't hear any such thing. 22.39.33 # * t0mas curses at his school... 1 year left... then I'll just know how to do it myself 22.39.35 # t0mas: try the mailing list 22.40.32 # webguest07: maybe that's why iriver didn't do it, because some devices get bad reception during hard drive access 22.40.34 Quit t0mas ("CGI:IRC") 22.40.42 Join webguest15 [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 22.40.45 # archos fm recorder has the same problem 22.40.50 # @#%$@#$@#$ cgi client 22.40.54 Nick webguest15 is now known as t0mas (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 22.41.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp28-adsl-242.ath.forthnet.gr) 22.41.33 # Well, this is a really strong station. 22.41.49 # try a weaker one 22.42.48 # Man, it's really bad at guessing where stations are located 22.43.30 # Dammit, I can only find crisp channels, or really really bad ones 22.43.48 # Ah! here's one 22.45.08 # can you hear it while recording, or only on the recording? 22.45.24 # Hey XavierGr 22.45.42 # webguest07: while recording 22.46.11 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@norge.freeshell.ORG) 22.46.11 # Don't think I can replicate it then 22.46.21 # lucky you 22.46.25 # Heh 22.46.33 # sounds strange though 22.46.45 # Unless this is just a case of my ears being broken 22.47.15 # But I'm assuming it'd be easily noticable 22.47.31 # well, it's not *that* bad 22.48.09 # just that the reception gets a tad noisier when the disk is accessed 22.49.29 # Curious.. I really can't hear it.. do you have a small clip of it? 22.50.05 # oops, now I have 6 minutes of some classical music 22.51.31 # Hi all! Nice news about the radio and FM recording! 22.51.56 # hi XavierGr 22.51.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.52.09 # have you read the logs about your snake patch? 22.52.12 # oh thanks t0mas for the commit 22.52.26 # yeah, Bagder has already changed it again ;) 22.52.32 # why? 22.52.40 # me no like it 22.52.44 # check the diff 22.52.47 # lol 22.52.49 # okay 22.52.52 # short comment "Me no like it" 22.53.00 Join Garrett [0] (i=1000@dial-203-201-11-01.ind.iquest.net) 22.53.16 # XavierGr: actually, the biggest problem wasn't added by you it was there already 22.53.23 # but I didn't like the fixed 4 bytes write 22.53.33 # Hello all. 22.53.49 # hi 22.53.50 # man, the #gmemu channel sure is active : idle times all equal to connection time :) 22.54.11 # I was just wondering where the hell one actually gets an Archos Jukebox 5000 or IRiver player these days. 22.54.21 Join hshah [0] (n=acd657f0@labb.contactor.se) 22.54.23 # NekoNoNiaow: you're on your own there 22.54.30 # Garrett: ebay 22.54.32 # ebay 22.54.41 # Bagder? you're the rockbox mailinglist manager? 22.54.42 # hello, can anyone give me the bmp for the current USB logo 22.54.46 # Because the only thing I see now is the Gmini Sx202. 22.54.47 # linus : i wonder why they still connect to the irc ? 22.54.55 # t0mas: me. linus and zagor are 22.55.02 # hshah: I have a better version :) 22.55.04 # I was just wondering if that would work. 22.55.06 # hshah: i'm not sure we have it 22.55.07 # hey LinusN - yes i was being a retard about the latest bleeding edge source 22.55.09 # Bagder: it bounced my bost 22.55.18 # hshah: :-) 22.55.20 # t0mas... could u email it to me please? 22.55.23 # wai 22.55.24 # t 22.55.26 # hshah: hang on, i'll dig it up for you 22.55.28 # it's on my webserver 22.55.29 # t0mas: didn't it say why? 22.55.29 # :) 22.55.34 # thank you :) 22.55.40 # Bagder: "You are not allowed." 22.55.54 # t0mas: and you used the correct email address? 22.56.09 # in the From: field I mean 22.56.13 # So will RockBox work on the GMini SX202? 22.56.23 # That's all I need to know. 22.56.25 # Garrett: no 22.56.27 # http://www.advancedmp3players.co.uk/shop/product_info.php?cPath=3&products_id=72 <-- New Iriver h140 at £250 (in uk) 22.56.31 # oh shit... 22.56.39 # we're here NekoNoNiaow 22.56.40 # Sweet 22.56.40 # my subscription address isn't my sending address... 22.56.46 # hshah: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/usb2.bmp 22.56.52 # that's my version 22.57.03 # looks better than the original... but it doesn't fit on archos 22.57.18 # Hah, cute 22.57.23 # we could use a different one on iriver 22.57.25 # strath : hi, so i'll be probably bothering you in a few days :) 22.57.33 # well bagder I see you changed the iohiscore function I had written. Well I guess your version is better. 22.57.33 # Bagder: then take a look at mine... 22.57.41 # alrighty :) 22.57.50 # hshah: http://linus.haxx.se/050305-rockbox-usb.png 22.57.53 # t0mas... does it fit on the iRiver H120? 22.57.57 # es 22.57.59 # antialiased for grayscale 22.58.09 # hshah: it's made for the H120 22.58.21 # I think LinusN's version wins over t0mas's ;-) 22.58.30 # grrr :P 22.58.41 # im gonna combine both to make the ultimate version :p 22.58.44 Part zezayer 22.58.52 # but mines going to have my name in it... so useless for anyone else :p 22.58.52 # the usb image race! 22.58.53 # It'll fight crime. 22.58.57 # * Garrett notes that this is a very interesting discussion. 22.59.06 # ghehe 22.59.12 # Wish I knew enough to contribute. 22.59.20 # hshah: please do two versions, one 4-gray and one b&w that fits on the archos 22.59.24 # Garrett: start paint... of the gimp 22.59.26 # and paint something 22.59.32 # No I mean to the project. 22.59.33 Join zezayer [0] (n=jake@87.81.166.52) 22.59.37 # I can't paint, I'm blind. 22.59.40 # :) 22.59.43 # Garrett: can you do C? 22.59.48 # A little bit. 22.59.49 # doesn't the image have to be 100 by 32? 22.59.52 # can you C? lol 22.59.55 # Not nearly enough to be useful. 22.59.59 # Nope. 23.00.00 # hahahaha 23.00.03 # LOL 23.00.03 # lol 23.00.09 # I can't see or C. 23.00.10 # neither can i - lol 23.00.11 # hshah: no 23.00.17 # LinusN: You mentioned that the reception on FM gets bad when the disk writes data. I didn't noticed that... 23.00.21 # it can be 128x160 23.00.23 # how much knowledge of C is needed to contribute 23.00.24 # hshah: no - 160x128 for iriver 23.00.25 # erm 23.00.27 # XavierGr: it's faint 23.00.27 # 160x128 23.00.39 # dpassen1: it depends on what you want to do 23.00.49 # writing or fixing plugins doesn't require very much 23.00.55 # and you'll learn fast 23.01.05 # LinusN - do two of what... im confused... this is the first time im even making an image for the iriver - lol 23.01.07 # So do you think that iriver put that out because of it? 23.01.14 # hshah: the image should have room for the status bar 23.01.22 # XavierGr: possibly 23.01.36 # Hmmm I will make more tests to hear that. 23.01.39 # Sounds strange. It's really unnoticable to me 23.01.41 Join Bger_ [0] (n=Bager@84.242.160.68) 23.01.45 # Like, entirely 23.02.01 # God, I can't believe I'm actually looking on Amazon for one of these. 23.02.17 # For one of which? 23.02.27 # Anything older than a gmini sx202 23.02.36 # If I were blind, I'd hold out a bit and wait for voice-ui on iriver-h1x0 23.02.49 # That's easy to say of course - I'm not the one without a DAP 23.04.12 # ghe :) 23.05.12 # Archose Jukebox 20GB handheld multimedia center 23.05.31 # Would it work with that? 23.05.34 # nope 23.06.01 # Wait, there's a gmini sx220. 23.06.10 # in paint... when in monochrome mode... why can't i write text? 23.06.22 # It probably wants to use antialiased fonts 23.06.25 Quit [-AIR-] ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515") 23.06.26 # and gets all sad 23.06.28 # Don't look at me LOL. 23.06.29 # Garrett: don't hold your breath for rockbox on gmini 23.06.54 # iriver is a waaay safer bet than gmini 23.07.00 # oh yes 23.07.12 # I probably sound like a total ignoramus LOL. 23.07.29 # With iriver it's a matter of when, gmini is a matter of if 23.07.37 # we are MANY deverlopers with irivers and we are NONE with gmini 23.08.04 # there might be a quarter of one on gmini 23.08.09 # if i can find time :) 23.08.20 # right, NekoNoNiaow is our upcoming hero ;-) 23.08.45 # shouldering the great jyp's rep is not easy 23.08.53 # just like the oracle said 23.09.19 # ghehe 23.09.35 # LinusN: It's almost impossible to hear the distortion. I heard something like it once on a 2minutes recording, but this should be heard every 7 seconds right? 23.09.37 # I just wish the archos site wasn't such a piece of shit. 23.09.47 # XavierGr: yes 23.10.08 # Garrett: you won't find any rockboxable players there 23.10.21 # they stopped manufacturing them long ago 23.10.31 # Well I have to wait for my FM transmitter to make some Sine wave tests from another audio device 23.10.42 # That's just fucking great. 23.11.29 # Garrett: If you want something that'll work right now, buy a used Archos Recorder on ebay or some other site like that. 23.11.40 # Cool thx. 23.11.46 Quit zezayer ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 23.12.06 # Garrett: If you're okay with waiting for a while, but getting a way smaller, more capable player, buy an iriver - either used, or from advancedmp3players.co.uk 23.12.30 # potentially more capable, at least 23.12.51 # it IS already :) 23.12.53 Join zezayer [0] (n=jake@87.81.166.52) 23.13.05 # not for a blind guy 23.13.11 # at least in supported playback formats 23.13.12 # Bger_: Depends what you're success criteria is 23.13.26 # yeah, but that's a matter of time 23.13.38 # That's why I said potentially 23.13.49 Quit Garrett ("Nice talking to you all.") 23.13.56 # preglow plans to start working on speex codec iirc 23.13.56 # badger : huh, don't say that, when i first started working on the gmini the first time i did not go very far, so better not be too ambitious :) 23.17.37 # Getting a different codec is not the problem with voice-ui as far as I understand it 23.18.20 Part zezayer 23.19.40 Join zezayer [0] (n=jake@87.81.166.52) 23.20.52 # LinusN: About the jpeg viewer and the scroll adition. I see that physical files come in alphabetical order when opening the contents of a dir. 23.21.14 # So I think that we will not need a sorting function for it. 23.21.19 # XavierGr: That's probably luck 23.21.26 # WOO HOO - made my own usb image 23.21.27 # XavierGr: a coincidence 23.21.44 # hmm then this will be a problem. 23.21.46 # you probably copied them to the disk in alphabetical order 23.22.08 # well its sort of t0mas's and the original RB one with some text... but i can call it my very own coz its got my name... lol 23.22.13 # because then we will have to sort all the jpg entries first. 23.22.30 # and we will need a huge 2 dimension array to hold the entries 23.22.41 # yes 23.22.51 # why huge? 23.22.51 # What's the second dimention for? 23.22.57 # dimension. 23.23.25 # webguest07: a string is an array in c 23.23.32 # Oh right 23.23.35 # well I use an array context[numberof jpg files] [MAX_PATH] for the files 23.24.19 # but in case that te files were sorted we would need only 2 char arrays. Next[MAX_PATH] and Previous[MAX_PATH] 23.24.40 # they're not 23.24.49 # and there are smarter ways of doing it 23.25.01 # like how tree.c does it for instance 23.25.15 # can you describe it? 23.25.26 # because I tried to understand to no avail. 23.25.38 # generally what it does? 23.26.01 # have the file names in a large buffer, one after another, separated by only the ending null byte 23.26.15 # and a pointer array to point them out 23.26.40 # that way you don't waste bytes by having each item allocate MAX_PATH bytes 23.26.47 # yeah I see that. 23.26.49 # and only use 30-40 of them 23.27.11 # that way is far more better. 23.27.35 # that buffer what type is it? Char *buf? 23.28.40 # char filenamebuffer[16000]; (for example) 23.28.51 # so it is fixed. 23.28.56 # yes 23.29.15 # so you need to make sure you don't overflow 23.30.23 # 16000 being related to the max files in dir browser limit? 23.30.29 # (not in the plugin, of course) 23.31.08 # the pointer array will then be char *pointer[number of entries]? 23.31.59 # 16000 = maxfiles * max_full_filename probably 23.32.43 # max_full_filename = 260 right? 23.32.55 # and what if it is more thatn 260? 23.33.02 # it can't be 23.33.03 # 256 23.33.03 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s201a.studby.ntnu.no) 23.33.11 # it CAN'T be more 23.33.18 # in windows too? 23.33.19 # you can't have more than max 23.33.24 # this value is in FAT specifications 23.33.28 # yep 23.33.29 # got it 23.33.44 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.33.45 # Bger: 16000 was just an example 23.33.56 # but i'm not sure it's 256 (or 255) 23.34.17 # it's 250 23.34.18 # 260 23.34.39 # hm, ok:) 23.34.43 # 256 bytes path plus "X:\" and a null byte 23.35.03 # aficr 23.35.07 # ok, in rockbox there's no X:\ 23.35.11 # nope 23.35.16 # only / 23.35.20 # What a lovely system fat is 23.35.27 Quit t0mas ("CGI:IRC") 23.35.27 # but we kept the 260 anyway 23.35.29 Join webguest15 [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 23.35.32 # @$#()@#*$ 23.35.34 # again 23.35.36 Nick webguest15 is now known as t0mas (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 23.35.44 # Example: Someone has 1000 files in a folder (remove the dot files for this) and all have maximum filepath. 1000 * 260 = 260000 23.35.44 # What *are* you doing? 23.36.04 # 260000 characters 23.36.16 # XavierGr: yes 23.36.17 # 1 bute each = 260kbytes 23.36.22 # yep, but this is the worse case :) 23.36.47 # and the plugin memery is 768kbytes if I remember correctly? 23.36.53 # but very few users have 1000 songs using max path length 23.38.09 # most people have file names less than 40 bytes I would say 23.38.28 # and 1000 * 40 is 40K 23.39.38 # well Bger in the settings you can increase maximum files to 10.000 so it is not the worst case scenario, but generally you are right 23.40.03 # Them all being 260 bytes is the worst case 23.40.26 # yes 23.41.04 # hm... 23.41.12 # 2.6MB is the worst case scenario but that is fictional. 23.41.17 # XavierGr: if the buffer gets full, you only show the files you managed to read 23.41.23 # maybe just use a pointer array? And point into the pluginbuffer fof dynamic size strings? 23.41.25 # simple as that 23.41.34 # that would save a lot compared to fixed 260 bytes entries 23.41.41 # hm... 23.41.41 # you can fill up the buffer in the plain dir browser 23.41.45 # why 23.41.49 # ~/Rockbox/rockbox/firmware $ grep '#define MAX_PATH' * -r 23.41.49 # export/lcd.h:#define MAX_PATH 260 23.41.49 # include/file.h:#define MAX_PATH 260 23.41.50 # so I don't see why you shouldn't in the jpeg viewer 23.42.05 # it shouldn't be in the lcd file 23.42.09 # yeah now that you told me how the tree.c works I will leave the fixed char array scenario. 23.42.10 # t0mas: look what i said about 23:25 23.42.12 # hm, i got it 23.42.45 # LinusN: I can't... client crashed 23.42.51 # haha 23.43.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20050812.txt 23.43.32 Quit t0mas ("CGI:IRC") 23.43.33 Join webguest15 [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 23.43.37 Nick webguest15 is now known as t0mas (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 23.43.39 # Anyone else noticed that the logs seem to miss a few seconds around midnight 23.43.43 # yes, I found that log already 23.43.45 # 23.26.01 # have the file names in a large buffer, one after another, separated by only the ending null byte 23.43.45 # minutes 23.43.54 # ok, shouldn't MAX_PATH be lower than 260 ? 23.44.03 # :D 23.44.15 # * t0mas smiles... found the same solution Linus used... 23.44.20 # like 258 23.44.36 # I think using 260 makes sense 23.44.49 # since we when can actually use that for file names 23.44.53 # that works in windows 23.45.22 # Bagder: if we generate a 260 char file name, i guess windows will choke 23.45.39 # 259 a \0 ? 23.45.47 # LinusN: In a FAT32 windows system what about NTFS? 23.45.47 # oh right, if the fat code does it too 23.45.48 # rm 23.45.58 # huh... the plus sign isn't working in the cgi client 23.46.03 # XavierGr: i don't know about ntfs 23.46.15 # XavierGr it's much more 23.46.15 # Noone does 23.46.20 # than 256 chars 23.46.24 # (unicode chars) 23.46.31 # yeah I mean that windows will probably choke only on a FAT32 disk not an NTFS 23.46.32 # like 16536 ... 23.46.39 # but i'm not sure 23.46.44 # is there even a limit? 23.46.55 # i think there is 23.47.08 # XavierGr: yes, but rockbox can only generate fat32 files 23.48.25 # So if rockbox generates a 260 filename and then you send it on windows with a FAT32. Windows will choke. But if it is on a NTFS system it won't. 23.48.42 # LinusN - www.warwickforums.co.uk/usb.bmp 23.48.53 # ok, internet over 33.6k is not internet ... 23.49.04 # modified a bit of t0mas's one 23.49.10 # XavierGr: how can you "send it" to windows without windows reading the rockbox fat32 disk? 23.49.39 # oops then I guess I am wrong. Just a thought. 23.50.11 # paths can be 32K in NTFS it seems, but the file part itself is limited to 255 only 23.50.24 # That's... amusing 23.50.51 # http://www.osronline.com/lists_archive/ntfsd/thread194.html <= hmm 23.51.20 # It seems that I will have to play a bit in hellowrold plug-in before I try anything with the char buffers thing. 23.51.35 # XavierGr: work in the sim 23.51.54 # That helloworld plug-in is great to test things, and learn new stuff. 23.52.08 Quit the_winch ("This computer has gone to sleep") 23.52.08 # LinusN: The jpeg viewer can't start in the sim. 23.52.09 # that's why it's there 23.52.35 # XavierGr: another reason to work in helloworld 23.52.47 # yeah that is what I meant 23.53.02 # is = was 23.53.05 # i would do it in the real rockbox code though 23.53.16 # and move it to a plugin when it works 23.53.21 # "someone" should make the greyscale stuff work in the sim :-) 23.53.42 # i though it did 23.54.04 # #define someone amiconn 23.54.06 # but i never tried 23.54.17 # so why doesn't the jpeg viewer work? 23.54.29 # because i am wrong? 23.54.36 # anyone here with win9x ? 23.54.39 # hshah: I liked the original more 23.54.40 # Well now that I think of it I will make the exact function that opens the directory in helloworld. Then I will play along with buffers and print with splashes() the uotput to see. 23.54.59 # i would do it in the real rockbox code though 23.55.01 # and move it to a plugin when it works 23.55.14 # because it's easier to debug 23.55.15 Quit Moos (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 23.55.16 # Bagder did you see the link i gave ? see the first reply 23.55.29 # what do you mean real rockbox code? 23.55.37 # Bger: what about it? 23.55.47 # XavierGr: like, in the debug menu or something 23.56.17 # Bagder see 23.56.30 # You can create arbitrarily long paths by renaming. part 23.56.46 # where is the source for HelloWorld plugin? 23.56.53 # http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/fileio/fs/naming_a_file.asp 23.57.12 # "In the Windows API, the maximum length for a path is MAX_PATH, which is defined as 260 characters." 23.57.25 # LinusN:I don't have a clue about the debug menu. When I want to debug the code I write in the jpeg.c lcd_splash() with the variable I want to see if if it was written right. 23.57.29 # dpassen1: in cvs 23.57.34 # thanks 23.57.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/helloworld.c?rev=1.2&view=log 23.58.02 # thanks Bger 23.58.05 # XavierGr: if you write the code in the debug menu, you can use a debugger instead of splashing 23.58.36 # and i would use logf instead of splash 23.58.53 # Logf is handy