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00.00.12 #       <rasher> I'm posting to mistic
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00.04.43 #       <]RowaN[> http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=36387
00.05.29 #       <rasher> http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?p=294203&posted=1#post294203
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00.15.45 #       <mark> im getting a 60GB ipod photo for £60
00.16.01 #       <mark> while exstatic about the deal, i feel like a traitor to rockbox :P
00.16.34 #       <rasher> I'm starting to get annoyed by the people bad-mouthing eax/srs/etc on every possible chance
00.16.38 #       <rasher> That's one hell of a deal
00.16.44 #       <mark> eax is poop
00.16.49 #       <mark> it sounds terrible
00.17.07 #       <mark> srs has some kind of point
00.17.19 #       <mark> eax exists solely to destroy music
00.18.00 #       <rasher> Some people like it. I don't care for it myself, but if some people like it who am I to tell them that it doesn't sound good
00.18.21 #       <mark> yeah
00.19.39 #       <mark> k, post ammended
00.19.48 #       <mark> yeah mark = nobby :P
00.19.52 #       <mark> what timing :)
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00.23.24 #       <rasher> Haha
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00.27.08 #       <]RowaN[> i must say i like eax.....
00.27.22 #       <]RowaN[> i dont think it makes music sound BETTER in any way...
00.28.00 #       <rasher> eax is the environmental thing?
00.28.01 #       <]RowaN[> but its kind of relaxing to have a tune on in cathedral mode, close your eyes and kinda escape
00.28.14 #       <rasher> That adds "3d" ish sound?
00.28.26 #       <rasher> seems like it
00.28.28 #       <]RowaN[> yeah, 3d/reverby environmental
00.28.33 #       <mark> i find it silly
00.28.38 #       <]RowaN[> its good for fun, but yes, it is silly
00.28.51 #       <]RowaN[> its something you DEFINALY want if you;re listinging to midis tho!
00.29.20 #       <rasher> I'm sure there are some songs that will be nifty to listen to in cathedral mode (lots of voice, ballads etc)
00.29.21 #       <]RowaN[> EAX Games Mode makes my midi keyboard piano sound about 100x better
00.30.08 #       <]RowaN[> makes it sound like ive got a grand piano in the middle of a huge empty hall, instead of the piece of shit this midikbd is, in my tiny studio apartment (thats so small theres no natural reverb)
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00.41.02 #       <rasher> HCl: any good idea how to provoce the pdir2full bug?
00.42.42 #       <mark> yeah
00.42.46 #       <mark> i've done it
00.42.53 #       <mark> well
00.43.02 #       <mark> i'll tell you how *I* did it
00.43.16 #       <mark> make a playlist of both mp3s and oggs, in different dirs
00.43.20 #       <mark> mine had about 60
00.43.25 #       <mark> songs that is
00.43.32 #       <mark> and then wait for it to get to the last one
00.47.51 #       <rasher> I don't think you have to go to the last one
00.48.03 #       <rasher> Since I was playing a playlist of all my albums
00.50.12 #       <HCl> no, not really, i get an error when trying to browse my dir with 700 music files
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00.55.17 #       <rasher> Hrm, sounds like this is different, mine happens in the wps during playback
00.55.38 #       <rasher> What's your "System > Limits > Max files in dir browser" set to?
00.58.23 #       <mark> brb. i'll go check
00.58.34 #       <rasher> I meant HCl
00.58.55 #       <mark> oh ok
00.58.57 #       <mark> nvm
00.58.57 #       <mark>  :)
00.59.32 #       <HCl> oh
00.59.33 #       <HCl> dunno
00.59.42 #       <HCl> i didn't even know that thing existed
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01.08.29 #       <rasher> Maybe you're not seeing "my" bug at all then
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01.11.10 #       <webguest26> Hi, Is it possible to modify Rockbox in such a way that when the player is plugged into the mains it would not draw power from the battery but straight from the mains (overcoming battery at all)? I was just wondering, but it's probably hardware and not firmware that matters in this case... What do you think?
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01.11.23 #       <mark> no
01.11.31 #       <mark> charging is hardware controlled
01.11.43 #       <mark> except... archos players isnt it?
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01.11.49 #       <stripwax_> hey ho
01.12.05 #       <webguest26> thanks
01.12.06 #       <mark> 'lo waxy :)
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01.17.16 #       <stripwax_> windows tip for the day:   WinDirStat   (google it).   Absolutely awesome
01.18.33 #       <rasher> Wow, that's seqoiaview
01.18.35 #       <rasher> sortof
01.18.44 #       <stripwax_> yeah
01.18.54 #       <stripwax_> in fact it has a sequoia mode
01.20.54 #       <rasher> cushion treemaps are hot
01.28.28 #       <thegeek> how is current cvs?
01.28.31 #       <thegeek> any horrible bugs?
01.29.59 #       <rasher> Nothing spectacular
01.30.06 #       <rasher> That I'm aware of anyway
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01.30.39 #       <thegeek> good:)
01.30.57 #       <thegeek> I'm running a build from before the horrible volume bug~stuff;)
01.31.13 #       <rasher> That's been fixed it seems
01.31.36 #       <thegeek> yep:)
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02.04.59 #       <XavierGr> Hello again!
02.06.05 #       <tvelocity> hi XavierGr 
02.09.22 #       <XavierGr> hi tvelocity, how are you?
02.09.32 #       <tvelocity> good
02.09.48 #       <tvelocity> still alive
02.09.50 #       <tvelocity> you?
02.10.37 #       <XavierGr> yeah good I think I am alive too. :p
02.16.00 #       <XavierGr> anyone knows details about qsort fuction?
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02.39.09 #       <XavierGr> have to go goodnight all!
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08.26.15 #       * phaedrus961 has font caching working with the unicode patch :-)
08.26.42 #       <LinusN> phaedrus961: nice
08.29.04 #       <phaedrus961> it requires a patch to convbdf though, since a short isn't always big enough to store the offset value
08.29.44 #       <B4gder> that's a sacrifize I can live with 
08.30.59 #       <phaedrus961> the way it works now is if bits_size > 64k long is used, otherwise short
08.31.40 #       <phaedrus961> requires some extra code in font.c but prevents bloat in smaller fonts
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08.34.31 #       <mrelwood> i want to try rockbox on my iriver. should I try with the iRiver fw 1.65, or the more liked 1.63?
08.35.54 #       * B4gder doesn't even remember which one he used
08.36.10 #       <LinusN> mrelwood: use whichever you like
08.36.13 #       <B4gder> mrelwood: pick the one you like
08.36.23 #       <mrelwood> ok
08.36.27 #       <LinusN> rockbox doesn't care
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10.04.21 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i got the pdir2full panic now
10.04.41 #       <LinusN> when skipping tracks like a madman
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10.27.05 #       <LinusN> holy fuck, uda1380_mute() is called from an interrupt
10.27.31 #       * B4gder washes LinusN's mouth with soap
10.27.35 #       <B4gder> ;-)
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10.27.57 #       <LinusN> B4gder: oh, sorry, "exception"
10.29.19 #       <LinusN> that's nasty indeed, if the uda1380 decides to delay the ack, the i2c driver will yield(), and *bang*
10.29.35 #       <B4gder> hoa
10.29.48 #       <B4gder> but is mute used when it is playing unattended?
10.30.50 #       <LinusN> only if the dma playback finds an error, or if it is starved
10.31.35 #       <LinusN> and this starvation happens all the time when skipping tracks
10.32.13 #       <LinusN> and (this is my guess) when the playlist code looks for the next directory to play for the "move to next folder" option
10.32.42 #       <LinusN> a lot of things have to coincide, though
10.33.38 #       <LinusN> the pcm buffer is close to the watermark, and the last track in a dir is playing, and the uda decides to take a while to ack
10.34.36 #       <LinusN> hmmm, something is fishy here
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10.34.57 #       <LinusN> the i2c driver yields all the time
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10.35.15 #       <LinusN> hshah: welcome
10.35.25 #       <LinusN> i have analyzed your wav file
10.35.28 #       <hshah> hello LinusN :)
10.35.33 #       <mark> linus!
10.35.34 #       <hshah> thank you... and...
10.35.36 #       <mark> i need help!
10.35.41 #       <LinusN> the wav header is bad
10.35.57 #       <hshah> ahh rite... ill encode it to mp3 now anyway...
10.36.12 #       <hshah> as long as the problem doesn't lie with rockbox... its all good :)
10.36.20 #       <LinusN> the sample count was way low, about 70000 samples
10.36.43 #       <LinusN> so it stopped after 70000 samples, about 1.8 secs
10.36.47 #       <mark> my remote is conviced im pushing a button on it. I dismantled it, even taking the mechanism of the buttons themselves apart, and it STILL does it. any idea whats wrong?
10.37.04 #       <mark> i have it sitting naked here, except soldered on stuff
10.37.09 #       <LinusN> mark: archos or iriver?
10.37.13 #       <mark> iriver, sorry
10.37.27 #       <LinusN> which button is it?
10.37.31 #       <mark> the button in question is USUALLY record
10.37.43 #       <mark> but thats after fiddling with it
10.37.52 #       <mark> it seems to have been volume down before
10.38.14 #       <mark> but that was because the button got gunked up and stuck i think
10.38.20 #       <LinusN> mark: that can happen if one of the wires is bad
10.38.34 #       <mark> the solder connections to the board look ok
10.38.37 #       <LinusN> or if the connector is dirty
10.38.52 #       <mark> connector looks fine
10.39.10 #       <LinusN> the connector in the iriver could be broken
10.39.17 #       <mark> my sister is just back from america with her iriver, so i'll borrow her remote to make sure its not the one in the iriver itself
10.39.19 #       <LinusN> does it work on another player?
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10.39.28 #       <LinusN> ah good idea
10.39.30 #       <mark> havent had one to test with yet
10.39.41 #       <mark> i'll do so today when she gets her lazy ass out of bed
10.40.10 #       <LinusN> hshah: where did your wav file come from?
10.40.24 #       <mark> infact, im pretty sure i can just steal her remote and forget all about it :) :P
10.40.27 #       <mark> she never uses it
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10.41.22 #       <hshah> LinusN: I cut it out of an mp3
10.41.32 #       <hshah> i converted an mp3 to wav and then cut that part out
10.41.52 #       <LinusN> which program created the wav file?
10.42.04 #       <hshah> i can't remember now... it was months back
10.46.11 #       <markun> I works
10.46.28 #       <markun> wrong window..
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10.56.17 #       <B4gder> I find it amusing that my post count is fixed on misticriver
10.56.28 #       <B4gder> "posts: 5"
10.57.16 #       <pilot000> morning, I have a question (depending returning to WPS screen from file browser)
10.58.16 #       <pilot000> I think it would be better, when the first left clicks would be suppressed while returning to WPS screen
10.59.11 #       <B4gder> what would be suppressed?
10.59.27 #       <B4gder> left click doesn't take you back to WPS
10.59.43 #       <pilot000> because I often click left and when I'm back in the WPS screen (while listening to music) the actual song restarts
11.00.31 #       <B4gder> then you have a patch applied and I guess that could use that adjustment then
11.00.42 #       <pilot000> sprry, I mean when I was in the settings/quick settings (long joystick click)
11.00.50 #       <B4gder> oh
11.00.52 #       <pilot000> sorry
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11.01.13 #       <B4gder> well, the return should probably "eat" the left-click properly
11.01.30 #       <B4gder> so that it doesn't get noticed by the WPS
11.01.49 #       <pilot000> thats right, only when I am in the settings menu
11.01.50 #       <B4gder> or do you mean that you press it once too many?
11.02.05 #       <pilot000> yes, one or two cllicks too much
11.02.10 #       <B4gder> oh
11.02.17 #       <B4gder> well that is trickier
11.02.22 #       <B4gder> imho
11.02.52 #       <pilot000> shoul I add this to the feature requests ?
11.02.56 #       <pilot000> should
11.03.05 #       <B4gder> if you want, I would personally not like such a feature
11.03.22 #       <B4gder> I'd rather say don't do wrong in the first place
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11.05.13 #       <pilot000> ok, then first I try to do it right in the next time
11.05.19 #       <B4gder> :-)
11.07.23 #       <beezly[tm]> i'm having a problem with the h120 rockbox - when i play any mp3 from my collection i just getting hissing
11.07.33 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: wow
11.07.46 #       <LinusN> did you try the recording?
11.08.07 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: sorry?
11.08.18 #       <LinusN> have you tried recording with it?
11.08.26 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: no
11.08.31 #       <LinusN> ok, just checking
11.08.55 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: which build?
11.09.15 #       <beezly[tm]> the latest CVS from http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml
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11.09.25 #       <beezly[tm]> i think the last one that worked for me was about 3 days ago
11.09.59 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: try this: a/b->Manage settings->Reset settings
11.10.04 #       <LinusN> then reboot
11.11.07 #       <beezly[tm]> still the same :(
11.11.25 #       <LinusN> ok, do you have any files that work? ogg, wav...
11.11.53 #       <LinusN> does the wps look ok?
11.12.09 #       <beezly[tm]> no ogg is broken too
11.12.17 #       <beezly[tm]> wps looks fine
11.12.58 #       <LinusN> can you try to find the last build that worked?
11.13.07 #       <hshah> hmm... got the bleeding edge build... and when i try and click on FM Radio, nothing happens :(
11.13.10 #       <beezly[tm]> sure - gimme a few minutes.
11.13.28 #       <LinusN> (installing 1 day older builds until it starts working)
11.13.49 #       <LinusN> hshah: you can't select fm radio?
11.13.55 #       <hshah> no
11.14.04 #       <hshah> i press a-b and in the menu i go to fm radio
11.14.14 #       <hshah> but nothing happens when i press joystick down on it
11.14.20 #       <LinusN> hshah: try selecting it with joy right
11.14.27 #       <hshah> cool
11.14.30 #       <hshah> works
11.14.30 #       <hshah> lol
11.14.37 #       <LinusN> my fault
11.15.14 #       <B4gder> it exits right away? 
11.15.36 #       <B4gder> another key release event playing tricks?
11.15.51 #       <LinusN> yes, my fault
11.16.00 #       <hshah> and also when u press joystick down on it, it starts radio, but doesn't show the radio wps
11.16.31 #       <B4gder> hshah: yes, because it exits the radio screen immediately (a bug)
11.18.25 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: last firmware that works for me 2005-08-10
11.19.15 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: ok, just checking: do you really install *all* of the files in the zip?
11.19.54 #       <beezly[tm]> DOH! I'm such an idiot
11.20.00 #       * beezly[tm] shuffles off into a corner
11.20.24 #       <CoCoLUS> happens to everyone sometimes ;)
11.20.27 #       <LinusN> just installing rockbox.iriver isn't enough
11.21.19 #       <LinusN> hshah: i fixed the radio bug
11.21.29 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: that works splendidly - apologies for wasting your time!
11.21.35 #       <LinusN> no worries
11.21.46 #       <beezly[tm]> now I'll see if belinda carlisle still crashes my iriver - i think maybe it's trying to tell me something ;)
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11.22.41 #       <beezly[tm]> ah, yes it does - so now i've got a different problem
11.22.43 #       <hshah> LinusN - updated on site yet?
11.22.50 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: interesting
11.23.02 #       <LinusN> hshah: wait until the next bleeding is built
11.23.08 #       <LinusN> or update your cvs
11.23.20 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: I'll get some more info about that file
11.23.39 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: can i have the file?
11.23.51 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: it's copyrighted - but yes ;) DCC transfer?
11.24.12 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: dcc works bad, firewall
11.24.30 #       <beezly[tm]> ah ok - how then? e-mail?
11.24.38 #       <LinusN> linus at haxx dot se
11.27.28 #       <beezly[tm]> sent
11.28.07 #       <beezly[tm]> interestingly - that file was created with the libvorbis 1.0 beta 4 build ages ago
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11.31.07 #       <hshah> LinusN - any chance u can just email me the update or post it somewhere?
11.31.20 #       <B4gder> hshah: its on the site
11.31.38 #       <LinusN> hshah: bleeding edge
11.31.56 #       <hshah> ahh, so it is :)
11.32.12 #       <hshah> thought i clicked the refresh button, but i obviously didn't
11.32.27 #       <B4gder> the build time estimate is actually rather accurate
11.32.32 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: i just tried another ogg built with 1.0 beta 4 and it crashed the iriver too - 
11.33.45 #       <beezly[tm]> the beta 4 files seem to have upper and lower bitrate set to 4294967.295000 kb/s - whereas 1.0 files have no upper and lower bitrate set at all
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11.37.09 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: how does it crash?
11.37.26 #       <beezly[tm]> hdd light comes on - display freezes - i have to use the reset button on the bottom to get it back to life
11.37.30 #       <LinusN> ok
11.39.19 #       <linuxstb> Hello all.  I have a quick question about the feature freeze - does it apply to the iRiver-specific parts of rockbox (i.e. the software codecs?)
11.39.44 #       <B4gder> linuxstb: yes, it applies to everything
11.39.49 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: all new features are temporarily blocked
11.39.51 #       <B4gder> to keep things simple
11.40.28 #       <linuxstb> OK.  My problem is that I've implemented an ALAC decoder, but am on holiday, so can't commit until the 28th August.
11.40.37 #       <LinusN> alac?
11.40.46 #       <linuxstb> Apple´s lossless codec
11.40.52 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: the commit it after the release
11.40.54 #       <B4gder> cool
11.41.18 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: remember that the release is only for archos
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11.41.44 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: Yes, that's why I thought maybe I could commit after the freeze.
11.41.53 #       <LinusN> sure
11.42.50 #       <preglow> ahoy
11.42.58 #       <LinusN> ahoy
11.43.03 #       <linuxstb> Anyway, the ALAC decoder is working in real-time, but there is room for optimisations.
11.43.10 #       <linuxstb> Hi again preglow.
11.43.13 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: lots and lots of decoding errors
11.43.45 #       <preglow> linuxstb: youve ported the alac decoder?
11.43.53 #       <linuxstb> preglow: Yep.
11.43.58 #       <preglow> what extension does alac files use?
11.44.02 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: hmmm - not good
11.44.08 #       <linuxstb> Confusingly, .m4a
11.44.21 #       <preglow> oh, so we'll need another mechanism for determining codec to use
11.44.31 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: the iriver fw manages to decode them ok - as does oggdec (and libvorbis) though
11.44.34 #       <preglow> not a bombshell, we'll need that for .ogg anyway
11.44.44 #       <linuxstb> preglow: Only when an AAC decoder is ported.
11.45.03 #       <preglow> linuxstb: i'll probably do that sooner or later
11.45.13 #       <preglow> faad looks ok
11.45.18 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: what about the license?
11.45.43 #       <linuxstb> The metadata parsing code I wrote for ALAC also works with AAC files, so that will help. 
11.46.03 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: I'm not 100% sure, but it seems some type of BSD
11.46.19 #       <LinusN> "The above copyright notice and this permission notice shall be included in all copies or substantial portions of the Software. "
11.46.29 #       <preglow> :/
11.47.10 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: Is that a problem?
11.47.10 #       <LinusN> on the other hands, we are granted the right to sublicense it
11.47.25 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: not necessarily
11.47.40 #       <B4gder> BSD license is not a problem, unless they have the announce clause in it
11.48.21 #       <preglow> b4gder: got any thoughts on plugin specific fonts?
11.48.27 #       <linuxstb> Maybe it's worth asking the author for permission to use the GPL.  I was planning on contacting him anyway.
11.49.22 #       <B4gder> preglow: I think perhaps we could have a few generic font "maps" that plugins could use as well FONT_TEXT or so
11.49.43 #       <preglow> hmm, yeah, that sounds like a good idea
11.50.03 #       <preglow> that would cover the only thing i was thinking about, which is the viewer plugin
11.50.12 #       <B4gder> :-)
11.50.28 #       <preglow> it's really nice with the proportional font, but the rest of rockbox i like fixed width
11.51.18 #       <hshah> when you unplug the iriver from the usb port... why does it boot to filetree? can't you make it start playing music immediately...
12.01.50 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Is a long press of SELECT used in the iriver FM screen?
12.02.03 #       <amiconn> If not, the pre business is unnecessary
12.04.52 #       <hshah> the what business?
12.05.10 #       <preglow> is radio usable on iriver now?
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12.05.22 #       <B4gder> hshah: see LinusN's latest commit
12.05.24 #       <preglow> and btw, i got a stkov while sitting on the train yesterday
12.05.47 #       <B4gder> lunch time
12.05.53 #       <preglow> can the panic handler be made to respond to buttons as well? would be nice to be able to reboot it
12.06.10 #       <preglow> i just bought a chocolate with a wrapper stiff enough to reset it ;)
12.06.39 #       <amiconn> preglow: Iirc t0mas implemeted that. PLAY should initiate a reboot
12.07.14 #       <preglow> didnt
12.07.24 #       <preglow> and no, that's just the exception handler, i believe
12.07.33 #       <preglow> that works as it should, but this was a panic
12.09.06 #       <amiconn> Ah, yes, I just checked
12.10.06 #       <preglow> i wonder what made it overflow the stack, though
12.10.25 #       <amiconn> Btw, what thread caused a stkov, and what format were you playing when it happened?
12.10.49 #       <preglow> dont know what thread, does that info appear? as it happened, i was playing mp3, and was skipping to vorbis
12.11.06 #       <preglow> it happened just as the vorbis files were about to be played, i believe
12.11.28 #       <amiconn> Yes, the panic handler displays 'stkov <threadname>' when it happens
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12.12.09 #       <Coldtoast> hey all
12.12.17 #       <Coldtoast> there's a prob with the FM radio on the h140
12.12.35 #       <amiconn> preglow: see firmware/thread.c, line 238
12.12.35 #       <Coldtoast> oh. I see there's an update sinc eI went to the gym
12.12.56 #       <preglow> amiconn: hmm, it MIGHT have been audio, but i'm not certain at all
12.13.20 #       <Coldtoast> what happens is if I use the FM radio and leave it without hitting stop, when I go to play MP3s, I can also hear the radio
12.13.30 #       <Coldtoast> does teh update fix that?
12.16.27 #       <preglow> any preset handling yet?
12.16.51 #       <preglow> no, doesnt look like it
12.18.16 #       <amiconn> It's just not hooked up on iriver.
12.18.19 #       <amiconn> Blame LinusN ;)
12.19.50 #       <LinusN> :-)
12.20.53 #       <hshah> blame LinusN for what?
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12.21.21 #       <LinusN> amiconn: the pre business filters out stray SELECT release events from the menu that selected the fm screen
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12.23.25 #       <LinusN> Coldtoast: the iriver audio playback code hasn't been updated to stop the radio when it starts playback
12.24.50 #       <LinusN> man, the PCF50606 was a real pain to unsolder from the h300 pcb
12.25.38 #       <LinusN> the chip has a huge ground pad underneath it
12.26.11 #       <LinusN> so i had to use a heat fan to unsolder it
12.26.14 #       <preglow> hahah
12.26.34 #       <LinusN> too bad i didn't discover that until after i damaged some pads trying to unsolder it :-(
12.27.05 #       <hshah> unlucky!
12.27.57 #       <LinusN> the good news is that this pc is a eu version, so the usb2go power supply components are mounted
12.28.01 #       <LinusN> pcb
12.28.47 #       <preglow> the firmware just ignores them?
12.29.30 #       <preglow> did you ever find out what display it uses?
12.29.34 #       <LinusN> oh yes, all you need to do to make usb2go work on the us model is to 1) mount the missing components or 2) power the usb slave externally
12.29.54 #       <LinusN> but that's old news
12.30.25 #       <LinusN> preglow: the lcd is identified with 99% certainty
12.30.52 #       <preglow> neat
12.31.16 #       <LinusN> all i need now is to find out how to keep the power to the cpu between cpu resets
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12.31.28 #       <LinusN> so i can use the bdm
12.31.40 #       <preglow> was that a problem with h1x0?
12.31.45 #       <LinusN> yes
12.32.00 #       <preglow> and how'd you solve it?
12.32.06 #       <LinusN> the power circuitry is controlled by a port pin
12.32.14 #       <preglow> ahh
12.32.24 #       <LinusN> and the power is lost if the pin is tristated, which happens when you reset
12.32.57 #       <LinusN> the same probably applies to the h300, and the power management is entirely different on this baby
12.33.22 #       <preglow> so you just grounded it, or what?
12.33.26 #       <LinusN> and it is controlled by the pcf50606 that i just unsoldered
12.33.32 #       <LinusN> i pulled it up
12.33.57 #       <LinusN> (the pin)
12.34.06 #       <preglow> yes
12.35.05 #       <LinusN> that's the red wire you see at the bottom in this picture
12.35.09 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IriverPort/iriver_lcd_test.jpg
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12.36.48 #       <preglow> anything pointing towards the h3x0 being a lot harder to get up and going with a bdm?
12.36.56 #       <LinusN> not really
12.37.16 #       <LinusN> i just have to find how the cpu keeps the power alive when booting
12.37.49 #       <LinusN> i hope it's just a port pin thing this time too
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12.38.54 #       <preglow> and btw, did anyone ever ask the mp3licensing.com guy if the mp3 license iriver got is transferable with the hardware?
12.38.58 #       <preglow> i keep wondering about that
12.42.12 #       <LinusN> which guy?
12.42.41 #       <ashridah> preglow: it doesn't overly matter, since fraunhoffer or whoever have stated they won't be chasing opensource efforts
12.42.53 #       <ashridah> (mostly because there's no return on investment that way)
12.44.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's probably not anyway, since I'll wager they got the software license.
12.44.16 #       <B4gder> "I have my own/third party mp3 software. Do I need a license?"
12.44.25 #       <B4gder> "Yes. Use of our patents is not related to a specific implementation of encoders and decoders, which means that a license under our patents is needed."
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12.44.49 #       <webguest50> how does the h320 firmware go?
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12.45.39 #       <webguest50> ?
12.45.47 #       <LinusN> webguest50: i am in the process of examining the h300 hardware
12.46.01 #       <LinusN> to find out how to run the bdm on it
12.46.07 #       <webguest88> B4gder: I'd be surprised if any of the "[...] Do I need a license?" questions were not answered by "Yes. [...]"
12.46.14 #       <webguest50> hur lång tid tror du det tar innan den e färdig linus?
12.46.28 #       <B4gder> english in here please
12.46.33 #       <webguest50> sry
12.46.34 #       <webguest88> "Why yes, of course you have to pay us!"
12.46.50 #       <B4gder> webguest88: possibly, but it answers the question
12.46.52 #       <preglow> ashridah: so, what have they said about aac? and wma?
12.47.03 #       <LinusN> webguest50: as soon as i have managed to run the bdm, it will probably not take long until i have a boot loader prototype
12.47.17 #       <webguest50> weeks months? ;)
12.47.19 #       <webguest88> I believe they're all off their rocker and should be ignored, but that's me.
12.47.32 #       <LinusN> webguest50: i'd say weeks
12.47.42 #       <B4gder> "We believe that some of the patents of Thomson are also used in AAC"
12.47.55 #       <LinusN> webguest50: pcb scans and schematics are on their way
12.48.11 #       <webguest50> not even 1 month until its realesed you think?:D
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12.48.15 #       <ashridah> preglow: AAC's based on a free codec anyway, isn't it?
12.48.26 #       <LinusN> webguest50: the only real obstacle is that i have a life too
12.48.34 #       <ashridah> wma, of course, is something i actively avoid even if it's not patented
12.48.40 #       <webguest50> haha
12.49.01 #       <preglow> asridah: mnooh, not as far as i know
12.49.07 #       <webguest50> yeah but many is looking forward to the realese:P
12.49.26 #       <LinusN> webguest50: no doubt about that
12.49.30 #       <webguest50> ;)
12.50.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I keep looking at the H3x0 series and thinking "Ugh... I'm may have to buy one of *those* if my player dies."
12.50.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> :-P
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12.52.58 #       <LinusN> Paul_The_Nerd: i wouldn't
12.53.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Heh
12.53.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What would you recommend?
12.53.22 #       * preglow cuddles his h120
12.53.31 #       <LinusN> the h100 series is superior imho
12.53.46 #       <preglow> i wonder what the x5 is like
12.53.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, I have an h120 right now. But I expect it to last a couple years yet, at least.
12.53.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm just worried about its availability then.
12.54.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm tempted to get an h140 from somewhere and keep it in a cool, dry place for a while
12.54.17 #       <preglow> oh, by then we'll have ipod support :P
12.54.30 #       <LinusN> Paul_The_Nerd: that's what i would do too :-)
12.54.41 #       <B4gder> in a few years, the h3x0 models won't be around either
12.54.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
12.55.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But right now I've seen h140s show up on ebay for as much as a new 340. =/
12.55.02 #       <B4gder> we'll need to keep Rockbox moving to new targets
12.55.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But then, a 140 is better anyway
12.55.08 #       <preglow> indeed
12.55.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just know if I ebay one, it'll have scratches and stuff... :(
12.55.54 #       <preglow> the iaudio players probably wont be around for much more than a year either, and that port is still in its infancy
12.55.57 #       <LinusN> we need an insider at PortalPlayer
12.56.12 #       <preglow> i volunteer to get an ipod if someone starts a port
12.56.27 #       <preglow> i'm tired of the iriver joystick
12.56.45 #       <B4gder> ipodlinux has most of the answers already
12.56.51 #       <LinusN> the h100 joystick sucks big time
12.56.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I like the joystick alot more than that silly touch thingy.
12.57.03 #       <preglow> that silly touch thing is great to use
12.57.04 #       <Febs> LinusN, I can see why you need to be careful about what you say about the H3xx:  http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?t=27388
12.57.10 #       <preglow> makes navigation a breeze
12.57.23 #       <amiconn> LinusN: I know that the pre business filters out stray SELECT release events. The point is that if long SELECT isn't used, you can just make it react on the press instead of the release -> no pre business necessary
12.57.25 #       * B4gder never tried an ipod
12.57.35 #       <LinusN> Febs: lol!
12.57.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well... I also like the large-size XBox gamepads. I'm strange with my input methods.
12.57.39 #       <HCl> Febs: idiots...
12.57.40 #       <preglow> febs: ahahahah
12.57.48 #       <HCl> hello
12.58.00 #       <HCl> "realesed"
12.58.23 #       <preglow> still, ipod would be a great new target, everyone's got one, but it'd also be a troublesome target, what with all the revisions and generations
12.58.24 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i intend to use long joy for the context menu
12.58.51 #       <B4gder> preglow: yes, it would be a fun addition to the familty
12.58.51 #       <Febs> I wasn't going to post anything at MR about Linus' work on the bootloader until more progress was made because I knew it would lead to that type of hysteria.
12.58.52 #       * HCl wouldn't feel comfortable developing for ipod without details on portalplayer...
12.59.13 #       <LinusN> preglow: and it will be pearls for the swine imho
12.59.18 #       <Febs> But now I guess I'll post something just to counteract the misinformation.
12.59.21 #       <preglow> linusn: oh yes
12.59.34 #       <preglow> hcl: i dont do that much low-level coding anyway
12.59.36 #       <B4gder> Febs: yes, calm down the masses ;-)
12.59.41 #       <LinusN> Febs: well, i did tell him it will be weeks
13.00.03 #       <B4gder> but not until "release"
13.00.17 #       <B4gder> people think of "release" as when everything is done
13.00.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, developers think "release" as when everything's done.
13.00.35 #       <Febs> Right.  Prototype bootloader <> release.
13.00.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The people at misticriver think "release" is when they can install it and start trying to brick their players.
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13.01.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Release is when a file is a available for download. =/
13.01.17 #       <LinusN> Febs: right, i was referring to the boot loader prototype
13.01.19 #       <HCl> hmm, i sort of do agree with linus, do we really want the ipod users as a userbase for rockbox?
13.01.44 #       <B4gder> I'd like rockbox on ipod for the challange and for world domination ;-)
13.01.45 #       <LinusN> the iriver masses were quite a new experience for us
13.02.03 #       <preglow> the user base isn't really a very large point
13.02.06 #       <preglow> the availability is
13.02.10 #       <LinusN> a new dimension of cluelessness
13.02.10 #       <HCl> yea, it would put rockbox in the spotlight
13.02.12 #       <preglow> they're everywhere
13.02.25 #       <Febs> LinusN, LOL.  I'm one of the "iriver masses" and they still drive me crazy.
13.02.25 #       <preglow> right now no rockbox target can be bought easily
13.02.42 #       * Paul_The_Nerd /agrees with Febs.
13.03.04 #       <LinusN> and the ipod user base will be 10 times worse
13.03.55 #       <B4gder> I'm not so sure
13.03.59 #       <preglow> well
13.04.03 #       <B4gder> ipod users are far more Apple fans
13.04.04 #       <preglow> i think the majority of people will ignore rockbox
13.04.10 #       <B4gder> they won't use Rockbox
13.04.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Isn't the H10 very similar to the iPod?
13.04.34 #       <preglow> might be
13.04.35 #       <preglow> same chipset
13.04.36 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: as far as portalplayer goes, yes
13.05.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Would it then be possible to develop for the H10 first, so alot of the kinks could be worked out, so then the iPod could go from "target" to "supported" in a relatively smaller timeframe?
13.05.27 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: no
13.05.28 #       <preglow> i dont even know what portalplayer chip the h10 uses
13.05.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah
13.05.40 #       <preglow> it might not be something the ipodlinux guys have explored
13.05.47 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
13.05.54 #       <B4gder> preglow: the model name is easily found out, I think they've already figured that out
13.06.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just remember reading somewhere the h10 chipset was the same as one iPod. I can't remember f
13.06.11 #       <B4gder> since ipodlinux already works on ipods
13.06.20 #       <B4gder> those would be the easiest targets to start with
13.06.24 #       <B4gder> should anyone care
13.06.41 #       <crashd> hehe
13.06.46 #       <crashd> someone would have to crack the encryption first
13.06.49 #       <crashd> or write code blind
13.06.50 #       <crashd> either works
13.06.59 #       <preglow> oh yes
13.07.03 #       * crashd sobs
13.08.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, the only HD based player I own is an h120 anyway
13.08.36 #       <preglow> only player i own is h120
13.08.45 #       <preglow> but i'd like to expand my rockbox capable collection ;)
13.08.48 #       <HCl> ipodlinux doesn't have both cpu cores working yet.. do they..?
13.09.01 #       <preglow> dont think so
13.09.29 #       <preglow> perhaps i'll apply for a job at portalplayer...
13.10.08 #       <preglow> anywho, i gotta go
13.10.11 #       <preglow> have a blast
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13.12.43 #       <rasher> HCl: I believe they do. At least on some of the generations
13.15.09 #       <rasher> This patch seems pretty logical: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1248947&group_id=44306&atid=439120
13.15.29 #       <B4gder> I agree
13.15.32 #       <B4gder> that's a good idea
13.15.53 #       <B4gder> although I don't think I agree with the asking part
13.16.19 #       <rasher> I'd be annoyed if it only stopped it some times
13.16.39 #       <rasher> Like if I was expecting it to not stop, and then it did because the image was larger than I thought
13.16.41 #       <B4gder> I don't feel strongly about it. I don't really watch jpegs myself
13.17.40 #       <Febs> OK, this, I hope, is at least a little more accurate than what has already been posted at MR:  http://www.misticriver.net/boards/showthread.php?p=294501
13.18.07 #       <rasher> Except his name isn't Nelson ;)
13.18.43 #       <Febs> Time to edit!
13.19.49 #       <amiconn> rasher: Iirc this jpeg viewer patch needs some work to make it not break on archos
13.20.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What is the viewer associated with MIDIs supposed to do?
13.21.33 #       <rasher> amiconn: Oh? Didn't look iriver specific to me, but then, I don't have one or know them
13.22.22 #       <hshah> ive installed that jpeg viewer patch on my iriver but aint tested it yet... lol
13.22.28 #       <hshah> its been there for about 5 days now :s
13.23.14 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: play them perhaps?
13.23.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hrm.
13.23.42 #       <rasher> I think it just renders them to a wav file
13.23.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah.
13.23.56 #       <B4gder> ok
13.24.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mine just sits there until I hit the reset button. :(
13.24.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> At the "I hope this works..." screen
13.24.20 #       <rasher> Give it some time
13.24.22 #       <rasher> it's pretty slow
13.24.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah
13.24.43 #       <rasher> Any harddisk activity?
13.24.50 #       <rasher> it really should output something for every sample or something
13.24.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No
13.25.05 #       <rasher> hm
13.25.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> After "loading patches" it changes to "I hope this works..." and nothing
13.25.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And the backlight, if on, stays on, and if off, stays off.
13.25.38 #       <amiconn> rasher: The thing is that this patch tries to allocate structures in the remaining plugin buffer, and only use the audio buffer if the plugin buffer is too small for the file to be displayed
13.26.12 #       <amiconn> I am quite sure some of the allocations are done unconditionally in the plugin buffer, like the grayscale memory
13.26.34 #       <amiconn> That won't work on archos, since the remaining plugin RAM is so small when jpeg viewer is loaded
13.26.48 #       <rasher> Ah
13.27.07 #       <rasher> Is there a plugin buffer size define?
13.27.07 #       <amiconn> So the old method should always be used on archos
13.27.11 #       <rasher> Should probably be conditional on that
13.28.04 #       <B4gder> rasher: PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE
13.28.17 #       <rasher> amazing
13.29.34 #       <hshah> i can't wait for t0mas to finish the flashing backlight to the music beat plugin... that would be sooo cool
13.29.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
13.29.55 #       <rasher> So instead of replacing the old code, it should just add it for players with plugin_buffer_size > something
13.30.09 #       <rasher> sounds doable
13.31.35 #       <B4gder> > 0x10000 perhaps
13.31.56 #       <B4gder> archos recorder has it at 0x8000
13.32.03 #       <B4gder> h1x0 at 0xC0000
13.32.17 #       <hshah> t0mas is having problems making it fade though... anyone able to help him... it would be sooo cool and i would be forever grateful
13.32.24 #       <rasher> That's some difference
13.32.38 #       <amiconn> It depends whether jpeg_binary_size + grayscale_buffer_size <= PLUGIN_BUFFER_SIZE
13.33.04 #       <amiconn> The bad thing is that both values are not easily known at compile time
13.33.25 #       <rasher> But can't a reasonable guess be made from plugin_buffer_size?
13.33.53 #       <rasher> It's not going to be useful if you can load 1kb jpegs anyway
13.33.58 #       <amiconn> Yes, but only reliably for the current platforms
13.34.37 #       <B4gder> well, we could adjust it in the future if we face problems ;-)
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13.39.27 #       <hshah> someone please commit the multiple align in wps patch and the mode patch - those two are the best!
13.39.59 #       <rasher> Mode patch?
13.40.12 #       <rasher> I agree that the multiple align tag patch seems nice
13.40.22 #       <rasher> Been using it for a few weeks now
13.42.53 #       <rasher> Ah, mode patch as in a wps tag for repeat mode
13.43.06 #       <rasher> seems sensible
13.43.27 #       <hshah> yeah - it also does playing, rewinding, fast forwarding and paused too
13.43.40 #       <hshah> those two are the best - i always install them on every version i get
13.43.58 #       <rasher> Man, that's a whole bunch of tags
13.44.17 #       <B4gder> hshah: that's why you should use cvs instead
13.44.18 #       <hshah> is that a good thing or a bad thing?
13.44.55 #       <hshah> B4dger: what i do is download individual files from the homepage and replace them... i don't download the whole bleeding edge or daily build
13.45.06 #       <rasher> He should just have one tag I believe
13.45.15 #       <B4gder> hshah: sure, but using cvs would mean less work for you
13.45.29 #       <hshah> i don't know how to use CVS :s - how does it work?
13.45.37 #       <rasher> %rm that returns f,a,o or s
13.45.45 #       <B4gder> hshah: you tried the wiki docs?
13.45.57 #       <hshah> plus what happens if it decides to overwrite one of the files which has been patched?
13.46.08 #       <B4gder> it doesn't overwrite files
13.46.13 #       <B4gder> it merges
13.46.18 #       <B4gder> again
13.46.22 #       <B4gder> read the docs
13.46.39 #       <B4gder> how do you think we all manage to develop things?
13.48.18 #       <rasher> Man, why do people think that *now* is the best time for feature requests
13.48.24 #       <hshah> does it even merge things properly with patched files...
13.48.36 #       <rasher> Yes..
13.48.37 #       <hshah> rasher: because they want them before the freeze
13.48.39 #       <B4gder> hshah: it merges the remote changes into your local files
13.48.55 #       <hshah> hmm... i will look into that then...
13.48.57 #       <rasher> hshah: Well they should have thought of that before the freeze was a few days away
13.50.45 #       <hshah> hmm... can i apply it to my current modified files...?
13.50.50 #       <hshah> the cvs i mean
13.50.56 #       <B4gder> no
13.51.03 #       <B4gder> check out a fresh copy
13.51.04 #       <hshah> damn...
13.51.08 #       <B4gder> then apply your changes to that
13.51.15 #       <B4gder> then cvs update eternally there
13.52.16 #       <B4gder> you should now start to grasp why we suggested you use the cvs method in that docs of yours;-)
13.52.58 #       <hshah> true... i don't think most n00bs will bother with daily updates
13.53.22 #       <B4gder> daily, weekly or monthly, the cvs way means less work
13.53.32 #       <B4gder> if you want to keep your patches
13.53.58 #       <B4gder> if you just to it once, then the work is pretty much equal
13.54.13 #       <hshah> ok... do i need to install CVS first or something?
13.54.34 #       <B4gder> you have the devkit installed already, don't you?
13.54.46 #       <hshah> yeah
13.54.48 #       <hshah> so i have
13.54.49 #       <hshah> cool
13.54.50 #       <B4gder> then you have cvs
13.54.57 #       <hshah> u can't copy and paste can you?
13.55.01 #       <hshah> in the bash terminal?
13.55.20 #       <B4gder> yes you can
13.55.32 #       <hshah> how?
13.55.38 #       <B4gder> but using the left-top menu to select "select" first
13.55.58 #       <hshah> the what?
13.56.03 #       <B4gder> I'm having a swedish windows here, can't tell what its called in english
13.56.11 #       <hshah> aha - done it
13.56.17 #       <LinusN> interesting, the h300 uses the same port pin for the power control
13.56.27 #       <B4gder> LinusN: ooh
13.56.36 #       <B4gder> less work! ;-)
13.56.52 #       <hshah> Bah - Novell are blocking port 2401
13.57.02 #       <LinusN> first multimeter "beep" for the h300, a milestone is passed :-)
13.58.25 #       <B4gder> hehe
13.58.34 #       <B4gder> now, I couldn't resist
13.58.38 #       <B4gder> reload the front page
13.58.58 #       <hshah> 2005-08-18: At 13:59. First multimeter "beep" for the h300.
13.58.59 #       <hshah> hehe
13.59.28 #       <rasher> 10 %u20AC say that someone will think that it was the h300 that beeped and interpret it as "music not far away!"
13.59.31 #       <rasher> erp
13.59.36 #       <rasher> that was meant to be a euro sign
13.59.56 #       <rasher> It obviously is not.
14.00.56 #       <B4gder> well, I don't think other people's stupitidy should stand in the way for a little fun ;-)
14.01.14 #       <hshah> i can't do the CVS at work... but will try it at home
14.01.45 #       <rasher> Of course not, just saying
14.02.13 #       <B4gder> yes, I believe you're right
14.02.24 #       <B4gder> but I'll point them to Febs post on MR then
14.03.06 #       <rasher> Or hit them over the head with something heavy
14.11.16 #       <LinusN> like a multimeter
14.12.38 #       * amiconn asks himself what type of multimeters LinusN might use...
14.13.01 #       <LinusN> fluke 179
14.13.06 #       <LinusN> :-)
14.16.45 #       <amiconn> Doesn't look like it would be heave ;)
14.16.51 #       <amiconn> *heavy
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14.18.54 #       <LinusN> ok, looks like all i need to do is to pullup the power control port pin to vcc
14.19.25 #       <LinusN> we'll see when i hook up the bdm
14.19.29 #       <rasher> How handy
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14.27.27 #       <HCl> hmm
14.27.36 #       <HCl> amiconn already wrote rockboy optimizations for archos?
14.29.03 #       <amiconn> Yes, some routines are already assemblerised, long ago...
14.30.53 #       <amiconn> I hope to finish the runtimedb hookup this evening
14.31.44 #       <B4gder> time to run
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14.33.55 #       <muesli-> wow, you can get a porsche as a tip in sweden!
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14.39.41 #       <rasher> A 924 is hardly a porsche
14.40.00 #       <rasher> Just barely
14.41.49 #       <rasher> Wouldn't mind getting one as a tip, mind
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14.51.11 #       <webguest45> a slightly offtopic question, would it damage a H140 if I stored it in a fridge at 6-8 deg C ?
14.51.37 #       <ashridah> i'd be inclined not to try.
14.51.50 #       <ashridah> fridges tend to be incredibly humid for a period after being opened
14.52.12 #       <webguest45> I bought a spare and was wondering what the best longterm storage method wold be
14.52.24 #       <webguest45> if its vacuum packed
14.52.24 #       <ashridah> not freezing. no. 
14.52.34 #       <ashridah> why would you buy a spare?
14.52.44 #       <webguest45> err because I can :)
14.52.55 #       <ashridah> the parts most likely to fail are the hard drive and the battery, both of which can be replaced 
14.53.07 #       <webguest45> I like the unit very much and it meets all my requirements for a DAP
14.53.32 #       <webguest45> and its been discontinued, with Rockbox its perfect for me
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15.01.50 #       <rasher> a fridge is probably a bad idea
15.01.59 #       <rasher> Humidity indeed
15.03.52 #       <XavierGr> Scrolling of files for the jpeg viewer is sweet!!! Now I need to sort the entries alphabetically...
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15.13.36 #       <rasher> What are you using to scroll?
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15.18.04 #       <XavierGr> Files
15.18.48 #       <XavierGr> instead of having to quit every time to select a new picture, I utilize up_down buttons (when in zoom_out) to change to previous or next file.
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15.21.24 #       <hshah> is that a patch?
15.21.32 #       <rasher> How about long press on up/down?
15.21.38 #       <rasher> Or play up play down
15.21.46 #       <rasher> playPLUSup playPLUSdown
15.21.51 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: i think it's confusing when you say "scroll"
15.22.45 #       <hshah> how do you do that to the pics?
15.26.23 #       <hshah> is it a patch?
15.27.16 #       <XavierGr> rasher: why long press?
15.27.33 #       <rasher> To make it a different action
15.27.43 #       <XavierGr> Long press in zoom scrolls the pic. in zoom_out both up and down do nothing
15.28.15 #       <rasher> So you don't do it by accident (if you think you're zoomed in) and to allow switching at all times
15.28.48 #       <rasher> Depends on the size of the image
15.28.50 #       <rasher> some images will not fit on screen
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15.29.01 #       <rasher> I have some (admittedly huge) jpegs that will always be scroll-able
15.29.02 #       <XavierGr> well pressing the play button only is good when in zoom_in. Where (now) you will have to completely zoom_out to change file
15.29.10 #       <hshah> come on guys - one of you tell me - how do you make the pictures "scroll"?
15.29.25 #       <XavierGr> hshah my bad
15.29.35 #       <rasher> zoom in by pressing the joystick
15.29.38 #       <rasher> you can now scroll around the image
15.29.58 #       <rasher> What XavierGr is talking abuot is switching to the next image inthe directory
15.30.01 #       <rasher> which he is implementing
15.30.19 #       <XavierGr> what I program now is to procceed to next or previous file without the need to quit first, got it hshah?
15.30.19 #       <hshah> ahh rite... thats what im talking about too... i would love that feature
15.30.49 #       <hshah> yeah i get it... so is it working etc yet?
15.30.49 #       <rasher> XavierGr: Using up and down is not a good solution
15.31.15 #       <XavierGr> I haven't encountered what you say though rasher.
15.31.33 #       <rasher> Just open any jpeg taken with a relatively new digital camera
15.31.33 #       <rasher> it will not fit on screen
15.31.36 #       <XavierGr> I don't think that you can have a big image that is by default zoomed_in
15.31.45 #       <rasher> You can.
15.31.47 #       <XavierGr> so it will be zoomed?
15.31.52 #       <rasher> well, it is not zoomed in
15.31.54 #       <rasher> No
15.32.03 #       <hshah> yeah... and up and down will only move that pic up and down
15.32.08 #       <hshah> it won't move to the next file
15.32.17 #       <rasher> The smallest version is just larger than the screen
15.32.41 #       <XavierGr> so pushing up or down will scroll instead of nothing?
15.32.54 #       <hshah> yes
15.32.59 #       <rasher> Yes
15.33.07 #       <rasher> 1600x1200 seems to be large enough
15.33.28 #       <XavierGr> hmm and it's so immediate with up and down.
15.33.37 #       <hshah> a bit like on a mobile phone... when the text goes off the page in a sms, you scroll down... this is what the up and down are used for on the iriver jpeg view
15.33.54 #       <rasher> XavierGr: what?
15.34.02 #       <hshah> i didn't get that part either...
15.34.12 #       <hshah> i was waiting for rasher to comment in case he understood it
15.34.12 #       <XavierGr> I can change that but you will see that up or down is way better if you dont have big pics
15.34.17 #       <hshah> but looks like he didn't  - lol
15.34.33 #       <rasher> Well you can't just assume that
15.34.37 #       <hshah> yeah... but even if u do have 1 big pic... it will mess it all up
15.34.41 #       <rasher> I'll have no way of flipping through my pics
15.35.16 #       <XavierGr> I meant that up or down (without the play) is quicker.
15.35.40 #       <rasher> Except it doesn't always work
15.35.40 #       <XavierGr> either way the program see if there is a zoom version of the pic.
15.36.04 #       <XavierGr> so I will make up+play when you are in a zoomed pic
15.36.08 #       <rasher> I still don't think that the same keypress should do different things like this
15.36.28 #       <rasher> I don't think up/down should be used at all, to avoid confusion
15.36.35 #       <rasher> But you don't have to be zoomed for up/down not to work
15.36.55 #       <XavierGr> My opinion is too: Up and down to change files when there is no scrolling. Up and down + play when there is scrolling.
15.37.35 #       <pilot000> btw. a 3Mpix picture has a size of 2048 x 1536 on my camera, such a picture is always "zommed" by default
15.37.35 #       <XavierGr> what do you think?
15.37.48 #       <rasher> Hm. That'd annoy me. I'd end up doing it by accident all the time
15.38.01 #       <rasher> of course, I'll just patch it away if included
15.38.12 #       <XavierGr> but wait you didn't get it... I mean that:
15.38.30 #       <rasher> I do
15.38.30 #       <XavierGr> if the picture is zoomed up or down will not change files
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15.38.43 #       <XavierGr> bad kitty :P
15.38.57 #       <XavierGr> rasher: where is the confusion? 
15.39.03 #       <rasher> I don't want up and down to change files at all
15.39.14 #       <rasher> Because I'd be pressing those to see if I am zoomed
15.39.23 #       <rasher> and bam, new picture, wtf?!
15.39.42 #       <rasher> I just don't like the idea, is all
15.40.04 #       <rasher> Don't let that stop you though
15.40.07 #       <XavierGr> ok we will discuss this with others when it is finished if more people want it this way we will do that.
15.40.28 #       <XavierGr> It is just so nice and quick to use up or down...
15.40.48 #       <rasher> I see that point, I just think the other thing is more important.. *shrug*
15.42.28 #       <XavierGr> Also I added the name of the opened pic in the starting infos.
15.43.05 #       <XavierGr> and reduced the time for splashes when an error occurs. 2 seconds are too many for me
15.43.27 #       <XavierGr> I modified it to 0.5 secs.
15.44.13 #       <XavierGr> Also rasher what do you think that it must happen when you procceed to next picture and an unsupported pic loads?
15.44.30 #       <rasher> error-splash, next image
15.44.45 #       <XavierGr> yes that is what it currently does. :)
15.44.59 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: i think left/right would be better, then it will be just like prev/next in the wps
15.45.13 #       <XavierGr> my god what f*cked up syntax I got...
15.45.35 #       <rasher> first time this occurs, save the name of the file, if this occurs again see if the name is the same, whenever a file successfully loads, erease that name
15.45.37 #       <rasher> (to avoid loops)
15.45.49 #       <rasher> I think I got that right...
15.45.59 #       <rasher> You should see what I mean
15.46.08 #       <XavierGr> Linus: Yeah I agree with that. It is just that when programming I had the filetree in mind.
15.46.10 #       <LinusN> rasher: just remove the file from the list
15.46.22 #       <rasher> oh true
15.46.26 #       <rasher> I forgot about the list
15.46.37 #       <rasher> absolutely
15.47.01 #       <XavierGr> hmm good idea to remove the name from the list.
15.47.09 #       <LinusN> hehe, or move it to a second list
15.47.20 #       <LinusN> which is displayed when exiting
15.47.31 #       <LinusN> "these files could not be viewed"
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15.47.58 #       <XavierGr> yes the problem is that the list is an array of pointers that points the buffer of names. How to remove a name?
15.48.08 #       <LinusN> don't remove the name
15.48.19 #       <LinusN> just change the pointer
15.48.20 #       <rasher> remove the pointer
15.48.24 #       <XavierGr> Delete the files !!!! LOL
15.48.29 #       <rasher> ><
15.48.36 #       <LinusN> set the pointer to NULL
15.48.54 #       <LinusN> and add the pointer to the "corrupt list"
15.49.33 #       <XavierGr> yes but then when you change files and end up to this pointer the NULL will not be a valid filename that may cause problems. I will see to that.
15.49.55 #       <LinusN> come on, just check the pointer before trying to load the file
15.50.16 #       <LinusN> if(ptr[i]) {...show the file...}
15.50.29 #       <XavierGr> yeah that's easy I guess.
15.50.51 #       <XavierGr> my bad.
15.50.52 #       <rasher> Grr.. whereabouts is the shutdown sequence? (alternatively, why is the "shutting down" only shown after syncing stuff to disk?)
15.50.53 #       <LinusN> then you skip it silently without a splash
15.51.05 #       <LinusN> rasher: i blame hcl for that
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15.51.31 #       <LinusN> you see, the database is synched before the splash, and the settings are synched after the splash
15.51.40 #       <rasher> Aha
15.51.46 #       <rasher> Well that's clearly broken
15.51.50 #       <LinusN> (but it's not really his fault)
15.51.52 #       <rasher> Naughty HCl
15.52.04 #       <rasher> Ah
15.52.05 #       <rasher> Wellthen
15.52.27 #       <LinusN> the problem is that the SYS_SHUTDOWN message is sent before the splash is shown
15.52.39 #       <Slasher> btw, i think the audio should stop only after the shutdown command is accepted or user releases the stop button
15.52.57 #       <HCl> what?
15.52.58 #       <LinusN> Slasher: why?
15.53.13 #       <rasher> LinusN: Any reason for this?
15.53.22 #       <Slasher> LinusN: then you don't need to watch the screen and you will know that the command was accepted
15.53.55 #       <Slasher> if the audio stops right away it's hard to tell when you can release the stop button
15.54.04 #       <LinusN> Slasher: you still don't know if it shuts down or not
15.54.05 #       <Slasher> and that could make the user confused :)
15.54.15 #       <Slasher> Hmm..
15.54.26 #       <LinusN> Slasher: ah, now i see what you mean
15.54.33 #       <Slasher> good :)
15.54.57 #       <rasher> audio should only stop when sys_shutdown is sent? (or on stop button release if in wps)
15.55.24 #       <Slasher> rasher: on stop button release if it was not a shutdown
15.56.06 #       <rasher> I don't see how that's not what I said?
15.56.47 #       <rasher> either way, the music should stop either "on sys_shutdown" or "on release"
15.56.53 #       <Slasher> hmm.. just try the iriver firmware, it should work that way
15.56.59 #       <rasher> if it stops on release and it's a shutdown, no biggie
15.57.19 #       <rasher> since the system is shutting down anyway
15.57.28 #       <Slasher> it should stop immediately when it's shutdown (user has pressed the button long enough)
15.57.39 #       <rasher> Agreed
15.57.42 #       <Slasher> :)
15.58.09 #       <Slasher> but not before the system has decided what the user wants to do
15.58.20 #       <rasher> Agreed
15.58.54 #       <rasher> Is there even a gap between "user has pressed the button long enough" and "sys_shutdown is sent"?
15.59.01 #       <rasher> Oh there is
15.59.10 #       <rasher> HCl
15.59.17 #       <rasher> no
15.59.34 #       <rasher> that's after sys_shutdown
15.59.34 #       <rasher> silly me
15.59.50 #       <rasher> I should shut up now.
16.00.33 #       <rasher> How's voice doing?
16.01.09 #       <Slasher> the voice samples are playing on target and simulator when audio is stopped but the player will crash when audio is playing :/
16.02.23 #       <rasher> fun
16.03.08 #       <hshah> is it just me or have the rockbox response times become a bit sluggish in the last few weeks - before when i used to press joystick down and browse between folders, it seemed a hell of a lot faster...
16.04.01 #       <Slasher> the hd has to spinup initially and that will take some time
16.04.15 #       <Slasher> that problem can be solved with file tree caching in the future
16.04.23 #       <hshah> i know... but it used to feel faster
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16.04.29 #       <LinusN> amiconn: u there?
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16.09.29 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: if you want me to try anything to fix that OGG problem - i'd be very happy to
16.10.51 #       <LinusN> beezly[tm]: hmmm, you could bug preglow with the problem
16.11.07 #       <LinusN> i think he has more knowledge about the ogg decoder than i do
16.11.10 #       <beezly[tm]> LinusN: will do ;)
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16.12.43 #       <webguest35> A quick question about Vorbis decoding.
16.12.55 #       <webguest35> Should files encoded with the 1.0 beta Vorbis encoder play okay?
16.13.08 #       <beezly[tm]> webguest35: i think you have hit the same problem as me ;)
16.13.24 #       <beezly[tm]> webguest35: do they just hang your player?
16.13.24 #       <LinusN> webguest35: it should, but there is a bug somewhere
16.13.26 #       <webguest35> I have a couple files I encoded with the beta encoder, and they play the first 30 seconds or so fine, then start sounding like they're being fastforwarded.
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16.13.36 #       <webguest35> ah cool
16.13.41 #       <webguest35> It's always nice to know you're not alone.
16.13.43 #       <beezly[tm]> webguest35: which beta were they built with?
16.13.54 #       <webguest35> I haven't got that information with me unfortunately.
16.14.03 #       <beezly[tm]> do you have the ogg file?
16.14.05 #       <LinusN> i don't know much about ogg
16.14.05 #       <webguest35> I'm fairly certain it was 1.0beta1 though
16.14.44 #       <beezly[tm]> webguest35: if you have the .ogg file - run ogginfo on it and it will tell you which release made that file
16.14.54 #       <webguest35> hang on
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16.16.16 #       <webguest35> Vendor: Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20000508 (1.0 beta 1 or beta 2)
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16.17.26 #       <webguest35> Anyway, it's no biggy. Just unfortunate since the original source for those files is in a completey different country so I can't reencode them.
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16.22.39 #       <the_winch> Is there any way to have a plugin that appears in the plugins menu and as a viewer?
16.23.51 #       <LinusN> not currently
16.25.14 #       <the_winch> It would be nice for the favourites plugin, from the plugin menu it uses /favourites.m3u and you could also pass it a playlist to use from the "open with" menu
16.26.00 #       <rasher> I also happen to think that HCl's searchengine/databox should work like this
16.26.46 #       <the_winch> A text editor would be another use as you need to edit existing files and create new ones.
16.27.26 #       <LinusN> the_winch: we are looking into another way of handling favourites
16.27.46 #       <rasher> (see http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginSearchengine#Suggestion_to_change_interface_o for my proposal)
16.28.20 #       <LinusN> the_winch: this patch may make it into cvs, with some changes: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1255322
16.28.34 #       <XavierGr> Does a plug-in has to be in the plug-in folder or can I put the rock file every where I like?
16.28.47 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: anywhere you like
16.28.52 #       <XavierGr> great!
16.29.11 #       <LinusN> but it won't be listed in the "browse plugins" list if it isn't in the plugin folder
16.29.17 #       <XavierGr> Oh and that cached filetree is wonderfull idea. What are the plans for it?
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16.29.37 #       <LinusN> cached filetree?
16.30.26 #       <XavierGr> <Slasher> that problem can be solved with file tree caching in the future
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16.30.50 #       <rasher> Speaking of patches.. any chance of the SF mails being sent to a mailing list?
16.31.13 #       <rasher> (I noticed in the settings that mails are sent to an email address already)
16.31.28 #       <LinusN> rasher: huh?
16.32.23 #       <rasher> It looked like sourceforge sends a mail to some address (can't remember which) each time a patch/bug/rfe is filed
16.32.24 #       <Slasher> XavierGr: i might try some implementation for that after i get voice ui working. The caching should be quite trivial
16.32.35 #       <LinusN> rasher: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/
16.32.50 #       <rasher> Haha
16.32.54 #       <rasher> Excellent
16.32.56 #       <rasher> I'll shut up now
16.33.14 #       <hshah> how many times have you said that today rasher?
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16.33.15 #       <hshah> lol
16.33.24 #       <LinusN> Slasher: the current fix for audio pops when starting/stopping playback is downright dangerous
16.33.24 #       <Fle|aw> hi
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16.33.40 #       <Slasher> LinusN: Hmm
16.33.54 #       <LinusN> it calls uda1380_mute() from the dma interrupt
16.33.58 #       <Slasher> oh..
16.34.00 #       <hshah> dangerous? in what way
16.34.11 #       <hshah> hmm... that means nothing to me...
16.34.13 #       <Maxime> I've question, is it possible to implement RDS data?
16.34.13 #       <rasher> crash-prone dangerous
16.34.17 #       <LinusN> that is probably the cause of the various crashes
16.34.17 #       <rasher> not bricking-dangerous
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16.34.27 #       <hshah> i think its my turn to stfu and stop butting into the conv
16.34.32 #       <LinusN> the addrerr crash
16.35.01 #       <LinusN> Maxime: no, sorry
16.35.11 #       <Maxime> ok ^^
16.35.13 #       <LinusN> Maxime: that requires special hardware
16.35.22 #       <Maxime> it's what i thought
16.35.26 #       <Maxime> but to be sure.. ^^
16.35.44 #       <hshah> talking of crashes... in the last few days ive had to use the reset for the first time... like 8 times... when unpluging the usb cable it comes up with error in codec mp... something and then panic error comes up
16.35.49 #       <LinusN> Slasher: we should instead ramp down in the dsp code
16.36.17 #       <Slasher> LinusN: Hmm, can the i2c code interfere with interrupts?
16.36.21 #       <LinusN> hshah: that's a new one
16.36.33 #       <LinusN> Slasher: the i2c code calls yield()
16.36.41 #       <Slasher> yes, that might be a better fix
16.36.47 #       <Slasher> ah, then it's really bad
16.36.50 #       <LinusN> and yielding in an interrupt is totally verboten
16.36.54 #       <Slasher> yes
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16.37.16 #       <hshah> LinusN: a new one eh... why me :(
16.37.45 #       <LinusN> hshah: is your rockbox installation up-to-date and unpatched?
16.38.02 #       <Moos> Linus: yellow builds for sims
16.38.23 #       <Slasher> hi Moos :)
16.38.24 #       <hshah> its up to date, but patched LinusN
16.38.33 #       <Moos> Hi Slasher
16.38.47 #       <hshah> the multiple align patch and mode patch, and view jpegs while playing music...
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16.39.28 #       <LinusN> hshah: do you insert the usb cable while playng music?
16.39.53 #       <LinusN> or while viewing jpgs?
16.40.04 #       <hshah> no
16.40.08 #       <hshah> it happens when unplugging
16.40.54 #       <LinusN> yes i know it happens when you're unplugging, i asked in what state rockbox is when you plug it in
16.40.56 #       <hshah> and also another thing i noticed... i have the top status bar turmn
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16.41.20 #       <hshah> erm... its probs stopped at file tree... but sometimes it could be playing music
16.41.56 #       <LinusN> i can't make it happen
16.42.13 #       <LinusN> hshah: try with the latest bleeding edge
16.42.28 #       <hshah> and back to the other thing i noticed... i have the top status bar turned off... but sometimes when i plug in the usb cable and the connected logo comes up, the status bar comes up too... and then when the usb cable is unplugged, it goes away again
16.42.42 #       <hshah> it doesn't happen all the time LinusN - i tried to recreate it just now,.,. and nothing
16.43.37 #       <LinusN> hshah: try to find out when it happens
16.43.44 #       <hshah> " The shutdown message is now displayed before saving the database, giving better user feedback when whutting off the player" i think you mean Shutting
16.43.54 #       <LinusN> :-)
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16.44.19 #       <hshah> ok i will... and about the problem with the status bar coming up... again that only happens sometimes
16.45.33 #       <XavierGr> any advice on how to sort alphabetically the filenames pointed by a pointer in a buffer?
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16.46.01 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: again: qsort()
16.46.18 #       <XavierGr> but it needs compare() too.
16.46.36 #       <hshah> im going to have to go now... someone please look into the status bar randomly coming up with the usb cable is plugged in
16.46.40 #       <hshah> bye bye
16.46.45 #       <XavierGr> bye
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16.46.52 #       <LinusN> hshah: no, you look into it
16.47.16 #       <XavierGr> haha he quited...
16.47.28 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: what is the problem with qsort needing a compare function?
16.47.41 #       <LinusN> that's how it works
16.48.04 #       <XavierGr> well as I understand the compare function returns the way the qsort will work right?
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16.48.38 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: the compare function is the one that doesn the actual comparison
16.48.54 #       <XavierGr> and what qsort does?
16.49.10 #       <LinusN> it sorts based on the results of the comparisons
16.49.21 #       <LinusN> it moves the pointers around
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16.50.31 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: you can look at the "sort" plugin
16.50.37 #       <XavierGr> so having as parameters: qsort(buffer, nember of entries, sizeof what?, compare); should do the trick?
16.50.57 #       <LinusN> apps/plugins/sort.c
16.51.09 #       <LinusN> (which i happen to be the author of)
16.51.18 #       <XavierGr> great!
16.51.27 #       <LinusN> that is exactly what you are looking for
16.51.34 #       <LinusN> except it sorts backwards
16.51.59 #       <XavierGr> but the 3rd parameter is tricky. it should have the length for every name right?
16.52.07 #       <LinusN> so you need to swap the s1 and s2 parameters to the strcasecmp call in compare()
16.52.44 #       <LinusN> no, the third parameter is the size of the elements it is sorting
16.52.56 #       <LinusN> in your case it sorts char pointers
16.53.11 #       <LinusN> so it should be sizeof(char *)
16.53.32 #       <LinusN> remember, it doesn't sort the filenames, it sorts the list of pointers
16.54.00 #       <XavierGr> yes that's the easy part to change pointer order, because if it was the other way around...
16.54.04 #       <LinusN> in fact, you could steal my code as-is
16.54.09 #       <XavierGr> :)
16.54.15 #       <LinusN> and it will work
16.54.30 #       <LinusN> just swap the s1 and s2 parameters in the strcasecmp call
16.55.37 #       <XavierGr> though I might have to steal the compare from filetree.c because maybe we will need sorting not only alphabetically but also by date (user configuration).
16.56.30 #       <XavierGr> so what this sort.c plug-in does?
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16.57.08 #       <LinusN> it sorts a text file
16.57.26 #       <LinusN> whatever you give it (open with...)
16.57.43 #       <LinusN> most often, people use it to sort playlists
16.58.53 #       <XavierGr> so the compare in sort.c and filetree.c is used for the qsort function, but only difference is that the second does this with other filters?
16.59.20 #       <XavierGr> alphabetically, date e.t.c
17.01.31 #       <LinusN> gotta run, cu later
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17.02.27 #       <XavierGr> I have to go too later all.
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17.21.40 #       <leftright> the replaygaun pre-amp setting isn't saved in the config file
17.21.52 #       <leftright> replaygaun=replaygain
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17.37.54 #       <leftright> hmm, I just added the missing cfg parameters manually, np
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17.47.27 #       <leftright> for the cfg txt file, how would I specify a value which has a range from -6 to  6
17.47.47 #       <leftright> it has increments of .1
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19.28.32 #       <Cassandra> Hello.
19.29.02 #       <hshah> im trying to use the cvs update for the first time
19.29.09 #       <hshah> have some slight problems
19.29.33 #       <hshah> i ran the first two commands on here (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS)
19.29.41 #       <hshah> and it downloaded all the files
19.29.49 #       <hshah> then i ran cvs update -dp
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19.30.33 #       <hshah> it gave an error "no cvsroot specified... use -d option"
19.30.39 #       <hshah> now what?
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19.30.49 #       <Cassandra> cd into the "rockbox directory"
19.30.56 #       <hshah> i tried that
19.30.57 #       <Cassandra> Then try it.
19.31.02 #       <hshah> that just hangs then
19.31.18 #       <Cassandra> In that case you may have a firewall problem.
19.31.25 #       <hshah> the cursor blinks and does nothing
19.31.33 #       <Cassandra> Or you aren't waiting long enough.  Initial checkout can take a while.
19.31.34 #       <leftright> Cassandra: have you given much thought to implementing your idea of Replaygain going to Track mode if Shuffle is enabled
19.31.37 #       <hshah> i have no firewall - it managed to download the files... so that is not the case
19.31.56 #       <Cassandra> leftright: Haven't had time, I'm afraid.  Shouldn't be too difficult though.
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19.32.10 #       <hshah> im on 56k... so mebbe thats why
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19.32.22 #       <Cassandra> That will take a while.
19.32.48 #       <leftroght> I thin it would be such a cool feature, perhaps as a option under Replay Gain 
19.33.02 #       <leftroght> thin=think
19.33.06 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
19.33.17 #       <leftroght> :)
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19.43.50 #       <CoCoLUS> i just had an idea
19.43.58 #       <CoCoLUS> anyone knows audioscrobbler, right?
19.44.16 #       <crwl> yes
19.44.18 #       <CoCoLUS> maybe it would be possible to implement support for it in rockbox...
19.44.30 #       <CoCoLUS> track the played tracks (i think the db already does that)
19.44.34 #       <crwl> i wonder if they allow submitting large amounts of track in a kind of offline mode or not...
19.44.40 #       <CoCoLUS> yeah exactly
19.44.46 #       <crwl> *tracks
19.45.05 #       <CoCoLUS> either that, or solder a wifi-module on the board :P
19.45.15 #       <crwl> right. :) 
19.46.17 #       <CoCoLUS> their support does indeed support batch-submits, because if you're not connected to the net or the as-server is down the plugins do cache the list
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19.46.27 #       <CoCoLUS> but i don't know how large that list is allowed to grow...
19.46.37 #       <CoCoLUS> -support +system
19.52.18 #       <hshah> i am still getting errors with the CVS update :(
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19.52.42 #       <hshah> cvs update aborted - error writing to server... bad address
19.54.52 #       <hshah> anyone?
19.57.01 #       <CoCoLUS> hm
19.57.11 #       <CoCoLUS> i really think that audioscrobbler-plugin could work :)
19.57.24 #       <hshah> the what?
19.57.41 #       <CoCoLUS> what i just babbled about 5 mins ago
19.58.28 #       <hshah> CVS working for anyone... it says username rejected... :s
19.58.45 #       <CoCoLUS> you're following the instructions in the wiki?
19.58.50 #       <hshah> yes
19.59.40 #       <CoCoLUS> then i have no clue :P
19.59.56 #       <hshah> bah
19.59.57 #       <hshah> fixed that
20.00.16 #       <hshah> but cvs update -dp doesn't work
20.00.33 #       <hshah> it takes ages... and then... cvs update aborted - error writing to server... bad address
20.02.23 #       <CoCoLUS> whats -p supposed to do?
20.03.13 #       <hshah> The -d switch tells update to create any new directories that have been created the repository since last update. The -P switch tells update to delete files that have been removed in the repository.
20.03.17 #       <hshah> ^from the wiki
20.06.15 #       <CoCoLUS> you're using -P or -p?
20.06.16 #       <hshah> GRRR
20.06.21 #       <hshah> -P
20.06.28 #       <hshah> cvs update -dP
20.06.41 #       <hshah> cvs update -dP  <--- as it says in the wiki
20.09.20 #       <hshah> AAARRRGGGG!
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20.24.50 #       <HCl> yea, computers suck
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21.24.19 #       <webguest40> A noobish question here: what is the reason why Rockbox displays pics in 128x96; is there a way to display it in 160x128 LCD resolution?
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21.33.26 #       <amiconn> Rockbox can only display the picture in certain size, that's how the jpeg decoder works
21.34.05 #       <amiconn> It chooses the largest one of 1, 1/2, 1/4 or 1/8 size that fits on the screen entirely
21.34.14 #       <webguest25> thanks for that :)
21.34.26 #       <amiconn> ...or 1/8 size if even that is larger than the screen
21.34.54 #       <amiconn> I guess you're trying to display 1024x768 pictures...
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21.35.31 #       <webguest25> no, no; I was just wondering... and wanted to know
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21.36.59 #       <webguest66> Anyone know how feasible it would be to port something like Nethack to rockbox?
21.37.12 #       <webguest66> Calls to malloc() would be a problem I guess.
21.37.34 #       <webguest66> and terminal emulation
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21.38.14 #       <t0mas> hi
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21.40.55 #       <HCl> nethack?
21.41.13 #       <HCl> you'd need more buttons for that than the ones that are available
21.41.39 #       <webguest66> true
21.41.54 #       <webguest66> maybe some sort of popup menu
21.46.12 #       <webguest66> various rogue-like games have been made for Palm Pilots so small footprint shouldn't be an issue
21.46.32 #       <webguest66> though they at least have graffiti for letter input though
21.48.18 #       <webguest66> Oh and while I think of it. Is there any disadvantage to running a developer build with logf enabled?
21.48.25 #       <webguest66> For day to day use I mean
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22.06.25 #       <muesli-> re
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22.12.17 #       <hshah> im still having problems trying to use CVS
22.12.27 #       <hshah> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1297.0    <---- problem explained here
22.12.40 #       <hshah> woo hoo - fixed
22.12.42 #       <hshah> ignore that
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22.23.11 #       <muesli-> what does "car mode" exactly do?
22.24.12 #       <Slasher> argh, now the voice ui "works" while music is playing but then the voice samples are just random noise before i reboot the player :/
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22.32.14 #       <rasher> muesli-: It starts playing when the charger is inserted and stops when it's removed
22.32.28 #       <rasher> Useful for a player lying in a car attached to the wotsit-plug
22.32.58 #       <rasher> Especially for Archos players, which power up when the charger is attached
22.33.15 #       <rasher> (because they need to be on to charge.. what's up with that anyway?)
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22.35.26 #       <rasher> I may be slightly off.. try checking the manual
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22.40.07 #       <LinusN> rasher: you are correct
22.40.18 #       <LinusN> the archos recorder models have software controlled charging
22.40.33 #       <amiconn> hi again LinusN
22.40.38 #       <LinusN> hi
22.40.46 #       <amiconn> You wanted to ask me something in the afternoon?
22.40.52 #       <LinusN> i just uploaded the first h300 scans to IriverInfo
22.41.02 #       <Bagder> wooo
22.41.20 #       <rasher> We soon have the firmware!
22.41.24 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yes, i wanted some input on how to solve the saving of databases and settings on poweroff
22.41.36 #       <LinusN> but i solved it my way
22.41.45 #       <amiconn> I have a question as well.
22.42.09 #       <Bagder> the huge ones really are HUGE
22.42.18 #       <LinusN> the h300 is prepared for exactly the pullup that i mentioned earlier
22.42.31 #       <amiconn> Is there a reason why the beginning of mpeg.c is like it is (a bit messy imho)
22.42.33 #       <amiconn> ?
22.42.37 #       <LinusN> an empty place for a resistor
22.42.52 #       <LinusN> the beginning of mpeg.c?
22.43.05 #       <amiconn> Like, first some variables, declarations etc, then some functions, then again some variables and declarations
22.43.31 #       <LinusN> i rarely make a mess on purpose
22.43.51 #       <LinusN> it just grew that way
22.44.01 #       <LinusN> feel free to tidy it up
22.44.26 #       <amiconn> There are even some playlist functions and variables declared 'extern'. Isn't it that calls from firmware to application are 'booohhhh!' ?
22.44.32 #       <rasher> Now I found a "broken ogg" :-\
22.44.39 #       <LinusN> a lot of that code could/should be synched with the iriver metadata handling
22.44.57 #       <rasher> And sure enough: "Xiphophorus libVorbis I 20010225" ooooool
22.44.58 #       <rasher> d
22.44.59 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yes, that's why i want to move the playback code to apps/
22.45.49 #       <amiconn> A good point to repeat my suggestion to implement the bitswap (and some related handling) as a 'codec'
22.45.49 #       <LinusN> almost the entire mpeg.c should be moved to apps/ imho
22.46.04 #       <LinusN> amiconn: not a bad idea per se
22.46.09 #       <amiconn> I think that could help to add the pcm codec as well...
22.46.29 #       <LinusN> maybe it's not very KISS, but it fits better into the sw codec concept
22.46.54 #       <amiconn> I think it wouldn't be less KISS than the current implementation
22.46.54 #       <rasher> Well it'll make the codebase less fragmented
22.46.59 #       <LinusN> pcm codec, yes
22.47.14 #       <amiconn> You'll load a track to the file buffer, which is a simple ring buffer
22.47.28 #       <LinusN> rasher: yes, but the archos playback code is way more stable than the iriver code :-)
22.47.42 #       <amiconn> Then the data is processed and put into the playback buffer (pcm for sw codec, swapped data for hw codec)
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22.48.12 #       <LinusN> yes, both platforms could use the same playback engine
22.48.17 #       <amiconn> The current archos buffering is a ring buffer with 3 pointers, not a pure ring
22.48.35 #       <LinusN> define "pure ring" :-)
22.48.39 #       <amiconn> Using the pcm codec isn't hard, btw
22.48.46 #       <LinusN> cool
22.49.03 #       <amiconn> It's well documented (I hope that we'll get the final okay to publish it)
22.49.04 #       <LinusN> i wish we could get the "go" from micronas/archos...
22.49.10 #       <amiconn> :)
22.50.02 #       <amiconn> Stop the core, load the binary into the mas (it's several segments); in our case via i2c, set some parameters, and start it
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22.50.28 #       <amiconn> Switching back is similar, of course without downloading something
22.50.49 #       <amiconn> Data is pure PCM with a 'WAVE' marker every block
22.51.10 #       <amiconn> endianess is selectable; the bad thing is that we'll still need to bitswap
22.52.45 #       <amiconn> The thing is also able to record pcm, and we won't need bitswap for recording...
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22.55.00 #       <amiconn> With a hardware hack, it would even be possible to record pcm with the Ondio SP (!)
22.55.43 #       <LinusN> wow!
22.56.40 #       <amiconn> Yes. The MAS 3539 has all hardware parts necessary for recording, it only lacks an encoder in ROM
22.56.50 #       <rasher> Are there any pictures of a jukebox, ondio and iriver together? I'm curious about their sizes
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22.57.10 #       <amiconn> rasher: Want one?
22.57.47 #       <Bagder> would be fun to have one single pic with all supported models on
22.58.10 #       <rasher> Sure would.. seems like Cassandra is collecting the whole set
22.58.32 #       <Cassandra> Unfortunately my player is a dodo.
22.58.43 #       <Bagder> that doesn't need to show on a pic ;-)
22.58.46 #       <amiconn> rasher: mompls
22.58.50 #       <Cassandra> Need to speak to [IDC]Dragon about that.
22.59.15 #       <Cassandra> Bagder: True, but I don't yet have an Ondio, either.
22.59.22 #       <Bagder> aha
22.59.36 #       <Bagder> neither do LinusN afaik
22.59.48 #       <rasher> amiconn, otoh does
23.00.00 #       <Cassandra> Or a Recorder v1, actually.  (Although they look very similar to the players)
23.00.04 #       * LinusN needs some sleep
23.00.10 #       <Bagder> so let's make one quick before we support the h300 ;-)
23.00.11 #       <LinusN> nite all
23.00.16 #       <Bagder> night Linus
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23.00.44 #       <Bagder> I have a black recorder v1
23.00.50 #       <amiconn> I think I can show all principal models except recorder fm/v2
23.01.07 #       <Bagder> with white leds
23.01.14 #       <Bagder> can't be many of those ;-)
23.01.39 #       <amiconn> I have a Studio 10 (player), a recorder v1 (modded with 80 GB and white leds), and Ondio SP, and a H140
23.01.44 #       <hardeep> I like the idea behind this patch and the implementation is clean, any objections to adding it? -- http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1260463
23.02.03 #       <Bagder> hardeep: I like that idea too
23.03.53 #       <rasher> Poor Keanu Reeves, he's getting his mind ereased
23.03.58 #       <hardeep> i'll verify and submit then
23.05.59 #       <hardeep> amiconn: so you have all the documentation needed to reprogram the MAS and are just waiting on Micronas/Archos to okay it?  That's awesome!
23.06.28 #       <Cassandra> Oh, Linus, good work on the iRiver radio.  Tested it on my walk round the village today.  Very nice.
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23.06.38 #       <Cassandra> Oh, he just left.
23.06.42 #       <Cassandra> I always do that.
23.07.44 #       <Cassandra> hardeep: Which patch?
23.07.53 #       <amiconn> http://amiconn.dyndns.org/RockingBoxes.jpg
23.08.09 #       <hardeep> Cassandra: the warn on erasing dynamic playlist one
23.08.28 #       <Bagder> nice picture
23.08.38 #       <rasher> amiconn: rocking!
23.09.09 #       <rasher> I always thought the jukeboxes were larger
23.09.24 #       <Bagder> they're quite a lot heavier
23.09.34 #       <Cassandra> Probably a good idea, yes.
23.10.02 #       <Cassandra> ami: No recorder v2? :)
23.10.25 #       <amiconn> rasher: They are technically around 2 times as heavy as the H1x0, but they don't feel like that since they're also larger than the iriver
23.11.16 #       <amiconn> There is an MMC sticking in my Ondio as you might have seen...
23.12.06 #       <Cassandra> I didn't notice much of a weight difference.
23.12.32 #       <hardeep> Cassandra: do you have the FM/v2?
23.12.37 #       <Cassandra> Yes.
23.12.51 #       <amiconn> Cassandra: No fm/v2 as I said
23.12.53 #       <hardeep> yeah, the batteries on the v1 are what add a lot of the extra weight
23.12.55 #       <Cassandra> That's why I end up doing a lot of the RTC work.
23.12.58 #       <Bagder> maybe you're just not a weight watcher? ;-)
23.13.06 #       * Bagder ducks
23.13.06 #       <rasher> I noticed a player in some shop, it was positively tiny, but had an mmc-slot.. 
23.13.17 #       <rasher> And very cheap
23.13.33 #       <Cassandra> (:  Still, my Motorola V3 phone is so light, I don't even notice it in my pocket.  Which I like.
23.13.37 #       <Bagder> yes, the v1 is 350 grams while the v2/fm is 290 grams (afaicr)
23.14.50 #       <Bagder> the h140 is 172 grams
23.15.06 #       <Cassandra> Oh, if I seem scarce after the code freeze, it'll be because I'm on holiday.
23.15.10 #       <amiconn> ...and the Ondio 60 grams w/o batteries
23.15.23 #       <Cassandra> Back on the 30th, so I have a few days before release to bash away at the manual.
23.15.34 #       <Bagder> :-)
23.17.18 #       <rasher> Man, I wish someone would edit the changelog/release notes
23.17.59 #       <rasher> My English just isn't up to the task of rewriting all of that
23.21.25 #       <Cassandra> rasher: They looked fine to me last time I checked.
23.22.07 #       <rasher> Well, the Release notes I'm pretty fine with, just needs some additional info
23.22.20 #       <rasher> but the changelog is just a bunch of commit messages, it's a mess if you ask me
23.22.27 #       <rasher> but then, it's better than nothing
23.22.30 #       <Cassandra> *nods*
23.22.57 #       <Cassandra> Well, since I'm intending to work from the Release Notes when updating the manual, hopefully they're pretty complete.
23.23.20 #       <rasher> I moved all of the changes into a ChangeLog
23.23.43 #       <rasher> But they're complete enough
23.24.06 #       <rasher> Just not very coherent
23.25.30 #       <Cassandra> Good enough, I expect.
23.26.17 #       <rasher> http://www.benq-eu.com/news/?year=2003&id=435 Man, they're even proud of it!
23.26.51 #       <rasher> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ChangeLog
23.27.20 #       <Cassandra> Terrifying
23.27.54 #       <Cassandra> The song, not the ChangeLog.
23.28.47 #       <rasher> I need to hear it, now
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23.30.37 #       <rasher> http://www.benqfoundation.org/Download/BenQ_Song.mp3
23.30.43 #       <rasher> Doom
23.31.47 #       <rasher> Found an iAudio song as well
23.31.51 #       * rasher collects the whole set
23.32.16 #       <Bagder> you are insane rasher 
23.32.36 #       <rasher> I will be, soon at any rate
23.32.50 #       <rasher> This BenQ has nothing on the Catch The Digital Flow
23.32.55 #       <rasher> nothing, I tell you
23.33.02 #       <rasher> it's almost like a real song
23.33.17 #       <Bagder> we should make a rockbox song
23.33.23 #       <rasher> If you ignore the fact that it's bad, and written about a DAP-manufacturer
23.33.25 #       <Bagder> :-O
23.34.10 #       <Cassandra> I wonder if we could persuade Frank Sinatra to let us use "My Way".
23.34.29 #       <Cassandra> My god, Rasher.  That really sucks.
23.34.42 #       <Cassandra> It's like the Beegees without the talent.
23.34.50 #       <Cassandra> OK.  It's like the Beegies.
23.34.54 #       <rasher> http://eng.iaudio.com/movie/iAUDIO%20-%20Friends%20&%20Lovers.zip < iAUDIO song
23.35.50 #       <rasher> It's very bad, yes, but I don't think it's as cheesy as the iriver song
23.36.47 #       <rasher> Oh god
23.36.47 #       <rasher> this is so bad
23.37.37 #       <muesli-> http://www.geocities.com/wriedt_s/Comparison.htm
23.38.05 #       <muesli-> iaudio didnt perferm to good in comparism to h340
23.38.24 #       <rasher> From J. Random Nutter
23.38.53 #       <rasher> Okay, at least he used SCIENCE
23.39.05 #       <rasher> Not the awesome powers of his audiophile ears *cringe*
23.39.55 #       <rasher> That frequency response graph is outrageous
23.40.59 #       <rasher> This iAUDIO song just KEEPS ON GOING
23.41.38 #       <Cassandra> I thought the hardware was the same.  How did iAudio manage to get theirs to blow so hard?
23.41.44 #       <muesli-> rasher dunno anything about it..just copied the link
23.42.55 #       <rasher> He's simply playing back a WAV, right?
23.45.08 #       <rasher> It looks like they're applying some filter, very knowingly
23.45.26 #       <rasher> I'm amost tempted to say that he isn't using neutral settings
23.45.47 #       <muesli-> http://www.frozenantilope.de/iriver-forum/viewtopic.php?t=4395
23.45.54 #       <muesli-> just use babelfish
23.46.41 #       <rasher> Oh I see, every language, same question
23.47.00 #       <rasher> is tthis the right link?
23.47.04 #       <rasher> This is about rockbox 2.5
23.47.20 #       <rasher> ah, there
23.47.40 #       <muesli-> not really..it has nothing to do with rbx 2.5
23.48.09 #       <muesli-> at least rapster assumes this
23.48.45 #       <rasher> Yeah, just hijacked the thread
23.48.56 #       <rasher> I wonder how babelfish would handle it
23.49.51 #       <muesli-> i thing its acceptable
23.49.57 #       <Cassandra> brb
23.49.58 #       <muesli-> far from perfect but ok
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23.50.30 #       <muesli-> benq-song rulez ;)
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23.50.40 #       <muesli-> crazy 4 u ...
23.50.50 #       <rasher> I'll just make do with my German
23.51.16 #       <muesli-> have fun :D
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23.52.23 #       <amiconn> sh**!
23.52.56 #       <muesli-> so what amiconn?
23.53.48 #       <muesli-> iaudios song doesnt rock the house
23.54.35 #       <rasher> I think overall Iriver still wins on cheesyness, BenQ a close number 2, and iaudio a distant 3rd place
23.55.24 #       <amiconn> My attempt to hook the runtimedb on archos requires a change in mpeg.h which breaks the simulator compiles :(
23.55.54 #       <amiconn> The bad thing is that 2 requirements don't fit here
23.56.36 #       <amiconn> I need to include id3.h in mpeg.h, and id3.h in turn includes file.h ... which isn't accessible for simulator builds
23.57.26 #       <Cassandra> rasher: The iRiver one is OK if you ignore the words though.
23.58.01 #       <rasher> Hrm, if I had to chose, I'd rather listen to the iaudio song
23.58.25 #       <rasher> or maybe not
23.58.31 #       <rasher> the intro sounds like something out of the 80s
23.58.44 #       <rasher> Whereas the iriver one sounds like something from another planet