--- Log for 09.09.105 Server: herbert.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 8 days and 17 hours ago 00.00.07 # Oh.. well that's broken. 00.00.22 # <]RowaN[> dont quote me on any of this, im very drunk 00.00.22 # doesn't it create a new file? 00.00.45 # maybe there's some smart idea for creating all new files... to make it faster or something? 00.00.57 # It should just edit the existing - or make it look that way 00.01.04 # it should yeah.... 00.01.05 # if it creates a new file, it had better make it look like the old one 00.01.10 # ghehe 00.01.12 # <]RowaN[> well technically yes it creates a new file of course, but you're really just adding a tag to a file that was already there so the created date shurely shuouldnt change 00.01.13 # * t0mas doesn't use it 00.01.19 # But then.. foobar makes baby jeebus cry. 00.01.24 # ghehe 00.01.27 # time to go to bed 00.01.28 # good night :) 00.01.32 # night 00.01.36 # <]RowaN[> sweet dreams loveball 00.06.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.10.13 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-198.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.34.06 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A8715D.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.47.57 Quit Moos (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") 00.48.47 Quit rasher ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.50.07 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.54.14 Join guillaumh [0] (n=guillaum@4va54-1-81-56-99-20.fbx.proxad.net) 00.57.20 Join atubbs [0] (n=atubbs@ool-435634a8.dyn.optonline.net) 01.02.54 Join wacky [0] (n=wacky@modemcable006.177-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.03.23 # hey everyone :) 01.10.14 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=82553592@labb.contactor.se) 01.15.15 Quit dpassen1 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.16.55 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0b2.b.pppool.de) 01.17.06 # morning 01.17.27 # who is jonas from rbx? 01.19.39 # look in the wiki for nick references 01.19.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcNicks 01.20.10 # just say it right now instead of giving stupid remarks :p 01.20.33 # doing stuff by yourself is nothing stupid 01.21.44 # giving stupid answers IS stupid 01.24.08 # hmm 01.24.11 # oh well 01.24.19 # so much anger 01.24.25 # does anyone have a compiled version of iriverter for Linux ? 01.25.11 # <]RowaN[> Fear leads to anger; anger leads to hate; hate leads to suffering 01.25.26 # I can't get the thing to compile using java stuff.. my my my... I'm using a semi-200LE, semi-cooker Mandriva system.. and it's delicate to upgrade gcc and/or gcj 01.25.38 # Amen! 01.26.10 # <]RowaN[> Fear is the path to the Dark Side 01.26.15 # :P 01.26.24 # who's on Linux here ? 01.26.52 # or has iriverter installed somewhere ? 01.29.35 # ]RowaN[ dont take it seriously but it fits PERFECT ;-) http://www.ebaumsworld.com/forumfun/stfu6.jpg 01.30.41 Quit wacky ("ahuh") 01.30.47 Join wacky__ [0] (n=wacky@modemcable006.177-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 01.31.43 # <]RowaN[> im not clicking your links, i dont want an virus 01.32.12 # lol, but not bad either 01.34.13 # query mate ;) 01.43.05 # ]RowaN[ wimp, either your system is protected or you're incompetent to do it ^^ 01.45.50 # <]RowaN[> stay awake making more guesses 01.49.46 # no risk no fun ;) 01.49.46 # g'n8 m8s 01.50.09 # <]RowaN[> nite loveball 01.56.01 Quit ender` (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.56.15 Quit cYmen ("zZz") 02.06.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.07.55 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.11.28 Quit ]RowaN[ () 02.16.51 Nick wacky__ is now known as wacky_ (n=wacky@modemcable006.177-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.26.06 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-54-101.dsl.pipex.com) 02.29.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 02.29.45 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.43.54 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 02.44.31 Quit wacky_ ("ahuh") 02.49.57 Part guillaumh ("bye") 02.58.43 Join bagawk [0] (i=1000@67-42-194-6.eugn.qwest.net) 03.27.22 Join ansivirus [0] (n=ansiviru@adsl-68-88-64-228.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 04.02.26 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 04.05.34 Join QT_ [0] (i=as@madwifi/users/area51) 04.06.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.08.53 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 04.17.02 Quit QT (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 04.18.23 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 04.20.43 Quit chenco (Remote closed the connection) 05.01.27 Join Tarkus [0] (n=18a2f0b1@labb.contactor.se) 05.01.40 # oh I am HERE 05.02.36 # is this an English-speaking channel? 05.02.43 # yeah 05.03.46 Quit Tarkus (Client Quit) 05.03.55 Join Tarkus [0] (n=18a2f0b1@labb.contactor.se) 05.04.07 # I think I did something wrong 05.04.26 Join webguest65 [0] (n=44ae196b@labb.contactor.se) 05.04.35 Quit webguest65 (Client Quit) 05.04.52 Quit Tarkus (Client Quit) 05.05.02 # yeah. you didn't tell us what went wrong :/ 05.05.11 Join Tarkus [0] (n=18a2f0b1@labb.contactor.se) 05.05.15 Part Tarkus 05.12.40 Join samwichse [0] (n=samwichs@pool-70-105-182-68.alt.east.verizon.net) 06.06.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.16.17 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 06.37.46 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 06.38.04 Quit pabs (Nick collision from services.) 06.38.09 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 06.59.25 # yay, this usb-storage driver for the karma works... i can now read data off the HD via usb 07.00.51 # (though its still very preliminary, no filesystem support outside of these special kls and kcat programs) 07.01.04 # and i've no idea about any write support 07.14.37 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.34.39 # Good moirning 07.36.29 # morning 07.40.08 # I'm thinking about changing the button #defines 07.40.49 # ...mainly to get rid of the separate BUTTON_REMOTE, that already caused a number of problems 07.41.45 # aha 07.42.08 # I think a template like: SSRRRMMM (one letter per hext digit) would be good 07.42.52 # The top 5 bits are reserved for system events like now. The remaining 3 bits can be used for flags. 07.43.11 # Currently there are only 2 - BUTTON_REL and BUTTON_REPEAT 07.43.28 # Then we have 12 bits each for remote and main buttons 07.47.27 # On archos, the simple scheme with the BUTTON_REMOTE flag did work because of 2 properties of the archos remote button handling 07.48.10 # (1) The button driver never sends repeat or release events for the remote. 07.49.25 # (2) The remote button events are inserted between the main button events, not handled together with the main buttons 07.50.06 # right 07.51.40 # Hmm, I'm not sure whether a behaviour like (2) would be preferable on iriver too 07.52.41 # The advantage would be to have more button bits available for each main unit and remote (for a possible future many-button platform) 07.53.21 Quit dwihno (Remote closed the connection) 07.53.28 # ...but the disadvantage is that it will get very difficult to check for button combos between one remote and one main unit button 07.53.53 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.224.89) 08.03.16 # LinusN: What do you think about the skip forward / back in repeat one mode issue brought up on the ml? 08.06.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.12.02 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.20.34 # amiconn: i think it could very well skip to next/prev 08.21.39 # Yes, that's what I think too 08.22.09 # The playlist is laid out the same way as in other modes (repeat all / none etc) 08.22.21 # ...so it shouldn't be a big problem to implement this 08.38.32 # the problem is that the playlist only contains that one file 08.38.41 # No, it doesn't 08.39.28 # ok 08.39.39 # then it would be simple to fix 08.39.49 # If you start an arbitrary track in a dir, the playlist is built like in any other mode 08.40.02 # ok great 08.40.22 # It's only that the playback engine buffers the same track again and again 08.43.48 # hmmm, get_next_index() in playlist.c handles this 08.44.41 # I found a second precision problem in the playtime calculation. For cbr tracks with no info header, in addition to using the rounded-down frametime, the code derives the framecount from the filesize and the frame size 08.44.43 # but it seems the same function is used for both skip-to-next and repeat 08.45.11 # However, the frame size isn't constant in a cbr file, because there are padded and unpadded frames 08.45.26 # However, fixing this is simple 08.45.31 # how do you suggest we handle that? 08.45.53 # ...even without my rework of mp3headerinfo() 08.46.06 # I already did it, just need to test 08.46.32 # I used the bitrate, since the bitrate is always exact for cbr files 08.46.48 # filetime = filesize * 8 / bitrate 08.47.07 # Since our bitrate is in kbps, this automatically delivers milliseconds 08.47.21 # ...and the final formula looks a bit different: 08.47.41 # filetime = ((filesize - bytecount) / bitrate) * 8 08.48.47 # Doing the *8 afterwards looses a bit of precision (max. 7 milliseconds), but avoids an overflow 08.49.22 # fair enough 08.49.42 # ...and the bytecount thing takes the tag size(s) into account 08.50.25 # For mpeg audio, we could use filetime = ((filesize - bytecount) / (bitrate / 8)) and it would be exact, because the mpeg bitrates are always multiples of 8, 08.50.48 # but that doesn't necessarily hold for other formats 08.53.08 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@tm.213.143.74.124.dc.telemach.net) 08.55.54 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.05.42 # LinusN: It seems to work, but I'll do some more tests on iriver too, to make sure I didn't overlook something (like a format not filling the bitrate field or such) before committing 09.05.52 # great 09.06.33 # I have a track that show 7:05 with the old code (on my v1) and 7:07 with new code (on my Ondio FM) 09.07.55 Join flurble [0] (n=flurble@flurble.org) 09.12.19 # Blah. I think I can commit this right away, as this is mpeg audio only code (firmware/id3.c) 09.14.28 Join poddan [0] (n=acc5e392@labb.contactor.se) 09.14.47 # hey people 09.15.42 # hi ho 09.19.37 # apps/database.c is a mess 09.19.55 # no comments and no return code checks 09.20.27 # "All these functions below are yet untested" 09.20.34 # is about the only comment 09.20.52 # my recorder v1 is acting up :S 09.21.06 # restarts when I push on a certain spot 09.21.11 # just above the display 09.21.19 # common hw problem 09.21.53 # one dude had the same problem, and linus told him to reheat the solder poitns 09.22.38 # maybe i should try that too, but until then... 09.24.18 # any other possible solutions? 09.24.38 # I'm not the proper guy to ask 09.27.39 # I love this: 09.27.46 # #define getrundbentrybyrecord(_y_,_x_) getrundbentrybyoffset(_y_,8+_x_*20) 09.27.54 # and then getrundbentrybyrecord() is used in the code 09.27.58 # no explanation 09.31.03 # I give up 09.33.44 Quit poddan ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.37.16 # http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano21.jpg 09.37.23 # ipod nano - naked 09.38.17 # PP5021C 09.38.34 # http://pc.watch.impress.co.jp/docs/2005/0908/nano19.jpg 09.38.38 # nanobox? :) 09.39.51 # it seems ipodlinux doesn't run on it, yet 09.53.48 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 10.06.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.15.42 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.22.35 Quit bluebrother^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.24.23 # B4gder: What's so difficult to understand in the database code? I agree that it could be a bit more commented, but apart from that, all that I've seen seems pretty straightforward 10.25.03 # it is possible, yes 10.25.16 # but it is so much work to "fix" that it makes me loose interest 10.26.10 # I guess I'll have to do it anyway one day 10.26.22 # What do you want to fix? 10.26.31 # the lack of error checks for starters 10.26.40 # 2 the bad error messages 10.26.56 # the lack of comments/documentation 10.28.45 Join Rob- [0] (n=robbie@haylott.plus.com) 10.30.41 # and I wanted to fix that zero crc means disabled 10.30.50 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.32.26 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD7430.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.42.25 Quit NibbIer ("life is like a rental car, you fuck it up, and give it back.") 10.43.04 Join NibbIer [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-77-14.dynamic.qsc.de) 10.45.03 Quit Maxime (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.50.08 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.50.08 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD7430.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.00.58 # B4gder: The #define you mentioned is easy to understand when you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RuntimeDatabase#Data_Structures 11.01.11 # I figured it out too 11.01.18 # I still detest that kind of code 11.04.58 Join cYmen [0] (n=cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.05.01 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 11.05.29 # * preglow stares at the nude ipod nano 11.06.22 # so they do use the samsung flash 11.07.05 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=c28@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.07.27 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 11.07.31 # http://www.samsunghq.com/?topic_id=125 11.07.57 # or http://www.tomshardware.com/hardnews/20050819_164307.html rather 11.11.10 # now why does our product only have 16MB flash... :-) 11.11.18 # :-) 11.14.13 # and why does our cpu have a broken A24? ;-P 11.14.25 # haha 11.14.47 # * preglow begs for a ipod port 11.15.30 # so, the nano has yet another portalplayer revision 11.15.39 # yes, looks like that 11.16.01 # all these bloody revisions will be a major pain 11.16.15 # but well have to face that anyway, somehow 11.16.23 # like with iaudio having more iram than iriver 11.18.25 # well we can find out that in the datasheets. not so with the portalplayer versions... 11.18.54 # indeed, but still, the ipodlinux guys have figured out much, so its not impossible 11.19.10 # itll just be tons more work, heh 11.19.10 # agreed 11.19.27 # theres also the two cores 11.19.38 # i dont know how much work thatll be to embed into rockbow 11.19.41 # rockbox, even 11.19.49 # but id absolutely love for ipod to be a target 11.21.42 # development on ipod will probably be a really uphill struggle 11.21.55 # and a totally clueless user base 11.22.03 # not my idea of fun 11.22.21 # yeh, i was gonna say that. imagine the many strange questions we get now, and multiply by 100 11.22.52 # still, we'd attract a fair amount of new developers too 11.22.52 # i believe most ipod users will stick to apples firmware 11.22.54 # we tripled the cluelessness when we moved to iriver 11.23.16 # but moving to ipod will be 100x worse 11.23.34 # what do you base that upon? 11.23.46 # i think ipod users are far more satisfied with their firmware than iriver users was 11.23.50 # preglow: I believe many ipod users would flame us for doubting the supremacy of apple 11.24.04 # "pearls for swine" 11.24.26 # remember, were not doing this for the apple users 11.24.32 # were doing this to get a platform that is videly available 11.24.42 # all of our current platforms are very hard to get 11.24.46 # and then, only used 11.24.58 # preglow: That's not correct. 11.25.04 # imho, ipod users don't care about having a superior firmware 11.25.10 # we're not at all grumpy old men. not in the least... ;-) 11.25.20 # LinusN: agreed 11.25.21 # I bougt an Ondio FM this month. New. Shrink-wrapped. 11.25.28 # then they wouldn't have bought an ipod in the first place 11.25.46 # then im happy my point again is that were not doing this for the users 11.26.48 # still, i agree itll be a tough port 11.26.54 # indeed 11.27.12 # but the iriver port too required quite a bit work 11.27.29 # past tense? 11.28.07 # the biggest part of the work lies behind us, yes 11.28.43 # depends on what you consider "work" - getting it to run or getting it to run so that misticriver-users won't complain 11.28.54 # The iriver playback engine still has many bugs and quirks... 11.29.02 # indeed 11.29.51 # the iriver port has been pretty straightforward, since we have the data sheets 11.29.53 # CoCoLUS: to me it doesnt exactly seem like we have catered exceptionally much to mr 11.30.30 # LinusN: yes, and since ipodlinux works, id expect them to have the info thats needed anyway 11.30.42 # not in a comprehensive source, of course... 11.31.12 # Is there an open-source tollchain available? 11.31.23 # for arm, oh yes 11.31.24 # s/tollchain/toolchain/ 11.31.25 # gcc does arm 11.32.12 # I would welcome an ipod port. I probably won't start working on one myself, though. 11.32.14 # Ah, yes. 11.32.28 # There are some different arm core versions I guess? 11.32.36 # yes, but the arm core itself is the same 11.32.42 # the portalplayer interface part isnt 11.32.44 # Are all of these supported by gcc and binutils? 11.32.46 # it's arm7 11.32.52 # but thats just a ifdef/define job 11.33.02 # Then we need to support dual-core. 11.33.05 # yep 11.33.12 # I imagine this being not too difficult 11.33.23 # me neither, but i have no concrete idea of how to do it either, heh 11.33.51 # Each core could have its own thread scheduler, and create_thread() would specify the core to use 11.34.15 # at least the codec part will be easier, tons of codecs are already optimised for arm 11.34.25 # like musepack, libmad, tremor 11.34.30 # This simple approach doesn't do load balancing, but it would be a simple solution 11.34.57 # amiconn: i think dedicating one of the cores to the codecs, and the other to everything else will do 11.35.00 # I'd say load balancing stands to odds with power conservation 11.35.22 # preglow: me too 11.36.03 # doing a proper scheduler will require a bit of work 11.36.09 # preglow: Yes, sounds like a good split. Still, having the same thread scheduler on both cores will probably ease porting 11.36.09 # and its not needed 11.36.19 # amiconn: agreed 11.36.36 # but im needed elsewhere now 11.36.39 # see you later 11.36.43 Quit preglow ("off") 11.44.27 Join solex [0] (n=jrschulz@c173248.adsl.hansenet.de) 11.58.08 Quit solex_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.06.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.07.24 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-5.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.07.57 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 12.07.59 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-120-5.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.08.34 Join stamppot [0] (n=stamppot@cc516682-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 12.13.32 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@hmln-d9b8e26b.pool.mediaWays.net) 12.14.19 # hi 12.18.37 # btw, have you seen this review of rockbox on iriver: http://www.dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.2126 12.23.26 # nice one 12.25.02 # i like the rockbox screenshot. what game is that? 12.25.12 # rockboy 12.25.25 # no idea 12.25.36 # I've only seen rockboy once ;-) 12.25.49 # i had this game years ago 12.26.04 # was very kewl but cant remember the name either 12.35.35 # http://www.thinksecret.com/archives/nano/source/12.html 12.35.37 # :-) 12.39.34 # I love how the plastic screen protector film has "Don't steal music" printed on it. No more "Rip, Mix, Burn" eh? 12.40.57 Join rasher [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 12.41.06 # muesli-: You were looking for me last night? 12.41.21 # yeah, wrote you a pn 12.41.34 # check it please 12.41.49 # A whatnow where what? 12.42.56 # muesli-: We've gone over this in the mailinglist 12.43.08 # ok 12.43.16 # I think i've said everything I have to say about it and then some, there. 12.43.16 # what does other think? 12.43.20 # the 12.43.21 # s 12.44.01 # Well first of all, the genrename appears to come from Dutch, where it is not insulting at all 12.44.23 # Second, a genrename is not insulting. Insults are insulting 12.44.37 # We include the genres because that's what other implementations have. 12.44.49 # And if we were to start picking and choosing, it'd never end 12.45.20 # That's my personal opinion, but it seems that few people are arguing it. 12.46.31 # If it's about my commit message, well it *IS* a stupid genrename 12.46.56 # I reserve the right to make fun of the genrename-list 12.47.16 # I'm surprised noone attacked me for making fun of Christians 12.47.18 # I thought the eac bug part was the most amusing 12.47.28 # Oh, yeah 12.47.30 # which made it use 'negerpunk' for all songs 12.47.44 # which might be the reason why there now are many songs using it 12.48.22 # Hm, sounds more like some developer thought it'd be amusing.. 133 is a pretty unlikely number to stuff in a tag 12.48.37 # By accident. 12.48.54 # rasher making fun of christians is not nice either...i think even a firmware must be pc ;) 12.49.07 # I wasn't, though, which is the whole point 12.49.18 # I was just making fun of *the name of the genre* 12.49.27 # the names are hilariously silly 12.49.29 # Which I think we could agree is humouroous 12.49.53 Join Febs [0] (n=Febs@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 12.50.06 # And pc is synonymous to "over-the-top sensitive" if you ask me. 12.50.31 # When someone's being rude or offensive, by all means strike down on him with great vengence 12.50.51 # But to include *ALL USES* of some words in this list, is just silly 12.50.55 # Context... CONTEXT DAMMIT 12.51.02 # Also, intent. 12.51.02 # yeah, true too..but there are borders which shouldnt be broken ;) 12.51.33 # Wow, when I left 12 hours ago, the exact same discussion was going on. 12.52.11 # hehe 12.52.12 # Time to stop, then 12.52.55 # to be continued... 12.53.01 # I'd hope not. 12.53.57 # Someone get working on a Rockbox port to ipod nano 12.54.04 # ;) 12.55.36 # gotta go 12.55.37 # l8er 12.55.52 # Bye 12.56.21 # I do believe this is the first time I've been called an ignorant white asshole though.. that was surprising 12.57.28 # .. there I go again. 12.59.36 Quit rasher ("no, there") 12.59.40 Join webguest79 [0] (n=5087d676@labb.contactor.se) 13.02.35 # Rasher: people of colour are very sensitive to any innuendo, thats a given, one should ALWAYS ensure that public comments are sterile, to avoid these firestorms 13.03.19 # or use asbestos underwear! 13.03.21 # ;-) 13.03.25 # hehe 13.08.39 Part webguest79 13.13.37 Quit muesli- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.28.37 Join rasher [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 13.29.05 # There was no innuendo. There were no hidden messages. It's just a silly genre. 13.29.46 # The only thing I did was to use one of the words that are on the PC don't-list, which doesn't take into account things like intent or context. 13.29.52 # I absolutely will not let that control what I say. 13.30.33 # Tsts, this entire genre 133 discussion is just silly, imho 13.30.55 # Oh my, yes. 13.31.10 # This should never even have been an issue. 13.31.19 # We're simply following a de-facto standard. 13.31.53 # Btw, this word is written the exact same way in german 13.32.15 # Seems like all north-germanic languages do this 13.32.26 # with different connotations 13.32.45 # It's not *that* bad a word in Denmark 13.32.51 # More silly than anything else 13.32.56 # Old-fashioned 13.44.16 # I think that since Rockbox apparently has so much political power and political responsibility, we should start a campaign to re-name the country of Niger. 13.44.24 # Just in case anyone is offended by the name. 13.52.17 # My views on this whole PC deal are amiconn mostly unprintable. 13.54.26 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa73.1.tellas.gr) 13.56.44 Join liliofof [0] (i=man-e@bzq-82-80-230-168.cablep.bezeqint.net) 13.57.34 # hey all 13.57.57 # hola 13.58.23 # I have a question, and I hope it won't irritate you guyz 13.59.29 # shoot 13.59.53 # I own an av420, and I want to hack the font inorder to add Hebrew font support 14.00.09 # back than I had FM Recorder, and I made the Hebrew font for RockBox project... 14.01.29 # ? 14.01.48 # is that a question? 14.02.08 # if so, I don't understand it 14.02.30 # mm.. yeah, I want to add Heberw font support, for the av420... can u guys help me ? 14.02.47 # very unlikely 14.03.06 # the font is probably built-in in their firmware 14.03.13 # you'd need to make some serious hack to change that 14.05.22 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 14.06.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.09.30 # liliofof: What kind of encoding was the hebrew font? I recently rebuilt it to be iso8859-8 14.11.07 Quit rasher ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.11.10 Join rasher [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 14.11.15 # Oops. 14.11.20 Join noC|andY`fRa [0] (i=andy@dsl-084-058-107-254.arcor-ip.net) 14.26.11 # well 14.28.10 # iso-8859-8 14.28.27 # rasher ? 14.29.39 Nick liliofof is now known as pixelim (i=man-e@bzq-82-80-230-168.cablep.bezeqint.net) 14.30.44 # rasher ? u there ? 14.32.38 # Yes.. weird 14.32.46 # ? 14.32.54 # There were all sorts of crazy characters that aren't in 8859-8 14.33.09 # like ö, í and other accented latin1 characters 14.33.19 # yeah.. 14.33.38 # Maybe some convbdf changes have caused this to be a problem now 14.34.48 # hmm. 14.35.02 # i need to get around to testing and committing the improved database 14.38.07 Join Hans|DiePARTEI [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081E19B.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.16 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 14.49.57 Quit pixelim ("Leaving") 15.01.05 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@mailout.imageware.de) 15.06.06 Quit arkascha (Remote closed the connection) 15.18.30 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.02 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.03.50 Part LinusN 16.04.25 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.06.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.19.12 # * B4gder rfids 16.19.24 Quit rasher ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.26.21 # * B4gder runs off for home 16.26.23 Quit B4gder ("Lämnar") 16.33.20 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-9-161.dsl.pipex.com) 16.50.08 Join ]RowaN[ [0] (n=5688bc8a@labb.contactor.se) 16.50.49 # <]RowaN[> guys is it possible to cover up/hide/remove the vol/battery/playmode icons at the top of the wps screen? 16.52.25 # yes, turn off the status bar 16.56.15 # <]RowaN[> oh, so thats the status bar 16.56.44 # <]RowaN[> and just out of interest, who and why was the pointer cursor reinstroduced, and why is it default over the IMHO superior visibility inverse bar 16.57.59 # <]RowaN[> yey byebye status bar 16.58.19 # <]RowaN[> time to waste some time further perfecting my wps now =] 17.00.22 Join Febs [0] (n=Febs@64-190-36-214.client.cypresscom.net) 17.00.49 # it was reintroduced by popular demand. why it's default I can't say. probably simply historical reasons. 17.01.17 # <]RowaN[> who are these popular demanders.. show yourselves! =p 17.03.12 # look at the forum 17.03.16 # there is poll 17.04.03 # put "popular demand" looks different for me, the inverser bar hat around 90% i think 17.04.57 # btw, is there a chance to so a patch in the near future that i can switch back to the previous folder on the While playing screen? 17.05.06 # -so +see 17.05.13 Nick Hans|DiePARTEI is now known as Hansmaulwurf (n=maerlyn@p5081E19B.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.06.24 # <]RowaN[> check out the cute 4 colour battery level indicators from my old iriver firmware www.ibrand.co.uk/33.gif .. it will be cool when rockbox wps supports 4 colour 17.07.14 # Hansmaulwurf: switch back to the previous folder? 17.07.53 # yes, for example: i start playing music with "move to next folder" ON 17.08.15 # after some time rockbox switch to the next folder, which it should do 17.08.26 # no it shouldn't :-) 17.08.32 # but form there, i cant go back to the previous folder 17.08.44 # only to the first song in the current folder 17.08.47 # that sucks a bit 17.09.01 # well the thing is that is a cludge. rockbox plays playlists. 17.09.09 # yes i know 17.09.45 # so if you just make a playlist, you can go back to previous folder 17.10.24 # hm 17.10.59 # thats not a good solution imho ;) 17.11.17 # that's just because you are used to something that is not rockbox 17.11.28 # thats right! :P 17.11.57 # i am used to the remote LCD too 17.12.03 # ;) 17.12.05 # yeah well that will happen 17.14.37 # * amiconn 's iriver remote is gathering dust somewhere 17.14.43 # This Svante guy on the mailing list is really getting to be annoying. 17.17.35 # How can someone claim to be a defender of racial harmony and yet attack a bunch of strangers simply because they have a different viewpoint? 17.30.31 Join wacky [0] (n=wacky@modemcable006.177-201-24.mc.videotron.ca) 17.31.06 # hey guys, do you know if austriancoder is in vacation ? 17.34.35 # weeheeee! Let's go let's go boys. You're doing great job :) We all appreciate it! 17.34.39 Quit wacky (Client Quit) 17.35.05 # <]RowaN[> where is song rating stored? i.e. in tags in the music files or seperatly in a database? 17.35.09 Quit Hansmaulwurf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.10 # <]RowaN[> and how do u rate a song 17.36.37 # separately 17.39.03 # <]RowaN[> hmm bass & treble support for the wps would be cool 17.40.42 # you mean tags showing the level? 17.46.29 Join rasher [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 17.47.21 # <]RowaN[> yep 17.47.30 # <]RowaN[> with a conditional for respective images 17.47.35 # <]RowaN[> bbl 17.47.53 Quit ]RowaN[ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.48.16 # I have an idea for a "solution" to the move to next folder thing... How about it just *appends* the next folder to the playlist, instead of replacing it? 17.48.50 # That makes more sense to me 17.48.57 # "I see you're running out of songs, let me add some more!" 17.50.03 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.52.54 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s057b.studby.ntnu.no) 17.53.46 # Well, I call godwin's law on Svante. 17.55.40 # I am also reminded of this failure: http://www.adversity.net/special/niggardly.htm 17.56.29 # rasher, good call on Godwin's law. Svante is one e-mail away from my killfile. 17.57.19 # I won't go that far. He seems to have been sensible enough in other threads. 17.57.28 # I guess I'll just stop following that thread at some point 17.57.35 # If he keeps up, anyway 17.58.27 # Maybe that's the better option. I could just craft a rule to delete e-mails in that thread. I shouldn't bother to respond to him, but two of his e-mails have really angered me. 17.59.09 # * Febs realizes he should know better than to respond. 17.59.25 # We all should, I guess. 18.00.30 # Well, good thing he doens't have commit rights. 18.00.40 # (he doesn't, right?) 18.05.54 # What do you think about my move-to-next-folder solution? 18.06.06 # adding instead of replacing the playlist 18.06.32 # of course, you can't jump backwards from your first folder 18.06.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.06.45 # But then.. that's just not how rockbox works 18.07.14 # It seems like a good idea to me. I don't immediately see any downside to it. 18.07.52 # Damn 18.08.07 # It's usually best to see the potential downsides first 18.08.22 # Can't think of them either, but I'm sure they're there 18.14.55 Nick Sucka is now known as Sucka`away (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 18.28.20 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 18.41.08 # rasher: Appending the new dir should actually be the better way of handling 'Move to next folder' 18.42.08 # This would be more integrated imho, e.g. it could simply call the code for adding a dir to the end of a playlist (the 'insert last' code) 18.43.35 # I think it'd make more sense 18.46.24 # Suddenly removing songs is weird. 18.46.27 Quit rasher ("CGI:IRC") 19.29.45 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@217.184.239.180) 19.32.03 Join TCK- [0] (i=TCK@85-210-24-156.dsl.pipex.com) 19.34.31 # re 19.49.20 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.52.19 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 19.59.01 Quit atubbs ("leaving") 20.00.50 Join atubbs [0] (n=atubbs@ool-435634a8.dyn.optonline.net) 20.02.04 Nick Sucka`away is now known as Sucka (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 20.02.06 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 20.06.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.12.22 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-233-61.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 20.23.25 Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.29 Join paugh [0] (n=pete@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 20.50.01 # um, how do you "move to next folder"? 21.06.49 # hm 21.07.04 # solex: at the end of the current folder, it skips to the next one 21.07.09 # irivers default behaviour 21.07.47 # arg 21.07.58 Part t0mas 21.08.10 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 21.08.12 # woops 21.10.31 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-179-250.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 21.36.59 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 21.51.45 # Is there a reason that radio presets haven't been enabled on the iriver by adding them to the menu, in the same way as it works on the ONDIO? 21.57.55 # Yes, Linus couldn't decide about the way how to do that. Shouldn't be too difficult imho, although I didn't have a look at it 21.58.06 # Just adding "|| (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD)" to line 972 of apps/recorder/radio.c enables them. 21.58.32 # It's a quick fix until someone can give it more thought. 21.58.55 # t0mas: but there is no keyboard shortcut to do this, correct? 21.59.17 # hm? switch to next dir? 21.59.21 # not afaik... 21.59.25 # would be a nice one 21.59.26 # in WPS 21.59.33 # the iriver fw has it 22.01.54 # yep, but the iriver shortcut is kind of awkward, iirc 22.02.08 # but i cannot think of anything better 22.02.28 # it just would be nice to do that "blindly" 22.02.43 # i always have the player in my trousers' pocket 22.05.01 # i personally like the "quick and long press" for next dir. 22.05.20 # it's a bit unusual, but when you're used to it it's nice. 22.05.39 # may be. never used iriver firmware :) 22.06.05 # I used it way to long ;) 22.06.18 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.06.32 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.06.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.08.35 # fortunately, i discovered rockbox even before deciding which player to buy. 22.09.00 # unnecessary to mention that it influenced my decision a little 22.09.09 # * amiconn actually bought an iriver *for* rockbox development :) 22.09.41 # amiconn: does it still work or did you take it apart completely? 22.09.43 # linuxstb_: Did you try that? 22.09.58 # amiconn: Yes, it works perfectly. 22.10.06 # solex: It does work, I took nothing apart 22.10.32 # The HD suffered from a crash-to-floor (it's a bit louder than usual, but still works) 22.10.54 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.11.01 # Unfortunately the HD shock protection of the H1x0 leaves something to be desired... 22.25.53 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.25.59 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m60.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.26.18 # Anyone have any objections to me committing that change to radio.c to CVS? Would it contravene the feature-freeze? 22.26.37 # amiconn: my player has already droppped two or three times 22.26.44 # but the hd still works fine 22.30.20 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.34.19 # Thinking about the presets, I can't think of any other option apart from to add the preset options to the radio menu - in the same way as the Ondio. There are not enough keys left. 22.38.56 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.44.47 # i would like to access the presets by pressing the joystick from the fm screen 22.45.52 # That key currently takes you to the main Rockbox menu. 22.46.08 # really? 22.46.20 # oh, just saw it. Hadn't noticed before. 22.46.54 # But I agree it would be nice to get there via a single keypress 22.47.12 # is it intended there is a switch in the volume when switching between fm and main menu? 22.47.36 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.47.41 # What do you mean? 22.47.41 # so the "play" button doesn't do anything, does it? 22.48.01 # Not that I can tell. I was thinking of putting it there as well. 22.48.07 # when I'm in the FM screen and press the joystick I can notice a change in the volume. 22.48.27 # Silly question, but are you sure you're not moving the joystick up/down? 22.48.42 # pressing the joystick again takes me back to the fm screen and the "old" volume is restored. 22.48.47 # no, just pressing. 22.48.59 # Strange - I don't hear any difference. 22.49.41 # fm screen is a bit louder than the menu 22.50.27 # there is also a slight pop when re-entering the fm screen. 22.51.06 # bluebrother^: Yes, I hear that pop - it sounds as if the radio is being re-tuned to the existing frequency. 22.51.19 # hmm. When changing the volume by one step only sets it back to the volume the menu had. 22.51.55 Quit TCK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.51.56 # something like this. Or the volume gets triggered to some undesired value 22.52.14 # No, the volume definitely isn't changing for me. 22.53.24 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.08 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-43-99.dsl.pipex.com) 22.54.12 # I would also prefer having a "" item in the preset list. Sounds more clear to me and reduces the amount of menu entries :) 22.54.35 # Hello guys! 22.55.17 # anyone here noticed an increasment of boost ratio for mpa decoder? 22.55.25 # bluebrother^: I was thinking exactly the same thing, but I think I prefer to keep the list of existing presets clean, and not clutter it with options 22.55.40 # and lot of switching betwen 48 and 120 mhz 22.56.00 # wasn't like that few days ago 22.56.13 # maybe a preglow's changes, no? 22.56.51 # when the radio screen is entered radio_screen will be called? 22.57.44 # yes - see apps/main_menu.c 22.58.54 # * linuxstb__ just discovered that FM works during USB mode :). 23.00.16 # anyone? 23.00.36 # Moos: Sorry, I rarely use the MPEG codec. 23.00.47 # hehe :) 23.01.13 # here a big part of my big collection 23.02.56 Quit Zagor (Client Quit) 23.06.41 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 23.11.16 Join long_b [0] (n=d55efad4@labb.contactor.se) 23.12.51 Quit long_b (Client Quit) 23.16.45 # Anyone working on rockbox on the gmini xs200 ? 23.16.56 # I have the suspictions some transfer isn't working completely when reentering the fm screen. 23.17.11 # I see the 220 xs listed on the site as a work in progress 23.17.32 # but I've no idea how similar it is to the 220 23.17.38 # 200 I meab 23.17.40 # bluebrother^: What do you mean by "transfer" ? 23.17.43 # mean! damn! 23.18.12 # samwichse: don't hold your breath for Rockbox on gmini 23.18.30 # I just tried adding a "global_settings.volume" right after the radio_set(RADIO_MUTE, 0); in line 270 23.18.50 # so the volume was supposed to change (if I understood this correctly) 23.19.14 # the status bar displayed a changed volume but it didn't change until I changed it. 23.19.53 # or do I need to call something else? 23.19.56 # I also think the keep_playing variable should be made static and checked at the start of radio_screen to prevent re-initialising the tuner. 23.20.48 # I also was a bit curious about that. This way the radio always gets re-initialized on entering the fm, isn't it? 23.21.09 # Yes, I think so. But I'm just as new to this code as you are. 23.21.21 # ah, ok. 23.22.16 # linuxstb__: I don't think this would be a good idea. It may need additional measures once an iriver radio bug gets fixed. The radio should stop playing as soon as audio file playback is started 23.22.35 # bluebrother^: Just setting the global settings variable doesn't change anything 23.24.05 # amiconn: On reflection I agree the keep_playing variable isn't the right way to do it. 23.24.16 # What's the iriver radio bug you are referring to? 23.24.52 # amiconn: already found it. My fault. 23.25.19 Quit Febs (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 23.25.37 # linuxstb__: tried your static proposal. Still have the volume thing but the pop is gone. 23.26.07 # bluebrother^: I think the problem is if the radio is stopped by another part of Rockbox. 23.27.04 Quit paugh ("Leaving") 23.32.34 # Anyone know if the "pop" when entering the radio screen with the radio already playing affects other targets, or just the iriver? 23.33.47 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.34.50 # is there some better testing solution than repeating connect - copy - disconnect - try? 23.35.55 # Don't think so - unless you have a BDM attached. 23.38.08 # linuxstb__: Maybe, I'm not entirely sure. I tried on my shiny new Ondio FM. There is a slight pop both when leaving the radio screen and when re-entering with the radio playing, but in both cases the volume is muted for a short time 23.40.12 # This short mute is easy to understand. The MAS is reinitialised in both cases (to recording mode when entering the radio screen and to playback mode when leaving it) 23.40.41 # On iriver there is no mute, but interestingly I also get the volume difference between radio screen and menu 23.41.29 # I'm certain I can't hear any volume change. 23.41.46 # I've got a H140. 23.42.41 # amiconn: I added a sound_set(SOUND_VOLUME, global_settings.volume); right after the radio_set stuff. Now I can't hear any difference anymore. 23.43.10 # H140 here as well 23.43.43 # Can you think of any settings that would cause a volume change? 23.44.07 # strange. 23.45.10 # linuxstb__: Do you use flat tone control, or do you have some treble/bass boost enabled? 23.45.28 # Flat. 23.45.52 # That's it 23.46.14 # With treble/bass boost != 0 there is a volume change, with flat settings it doesn't happen 23.46.30 # I guess pcmrec_set_mux(1); fiddles with the prescaler... 23.47.12 # That's it - if I boost the treble, I can hear a volume change. 23.50.42 # grrr. 23.50.55 # Going back to presets for a moment, is there a reason why the "add preset" menu option is simply called "Add", and not something more specific like "Add preset"? 23.51.13 # the website of the radio station I'm listening to tells me what track this is but not what remix. It is one. 23.51.42 Join pixelim [0] (i=man-e@bzq-82-80-230-168.cablep.bezeqint.net) 23.52.05 # I think it's a bit strange to have a "add" entry but no "delete" or "change". 23.52.19 # Do a long-press of select in the presets menu... 23.52.29 # (already found that, but I think it's a bit stange) 23.52.48 # not the context menu as is but the diversion. 23.52.58 # linuxstb__: Yes there is a reason why the option is just called "Add" 23.53.11 # There always is a reason in Rockbox :) 23.53.37 # The menu string is a re-use from the soft-button string of the FM recorder, and that has to be short. 23.54.25 # Basically, having the presets in the menu was a hack for the Ondio 23.54.56 # I'm starting to realise that. I now know why Linus didn't implement presets. 23.55.08 # I hope the we do the Right Thing (tm) and thoroughly check all strings once localisation v2 gets added 23.55.29 # Bagder? ;) 23.55.59 # I'll commit the first stuff after the 2.5 release 23.57.25 # The On button is free in the radio screen, so I think that should bring up the list of presets. The choice is then to either have an option in the list of presets, or an "Add preset" option in the radio menu.