--- Log for 11.09.105 Server: herbert.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 10 days and 18 hours ago 00.07.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.15.48 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.24.12 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.13 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A8377B.dip.t-dialin.net) 01.38.56 Quit dpassen1 () 01.44.42 Join paugh [0] (n=pete@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 01.56.16 Quit paugh (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 02.07.03 Quit Moos (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 02.07.05 Join kurzhaarrocker [0] (n=none@dsl-084-061-002-006.arcor-ip.net) 02.07.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.07.21 Quit kurzhaarrocker (Remote closed the connection) 02.14.45 Quit Sucka` ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 02.14.59 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 02.28.28 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.14.09 Quit cYmen ("zZZ") 03.22.42 Quit Shagnar ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.53.48 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 03.53.49 Quit gromit`` (Remote closed the connection) 03.56.00 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.06.09 Join QT_ [0] (i=as@madwifi/users/area51) 04.07.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.10.36 Nick Sucka is now known as Sucka`zZzZz (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 04.17.39 Quit QT (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.25.20 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-78.VIC.netspace.net.au) 05.08.37 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@85-210-61-102.dsl.pipex.com) 05.53.09 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 05.53.09 Quit Mxm`Pas`Bien (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.07.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.38.43 Quit Nilisco (Client Quit) 07.41.46 Join Nilisco [0] (n=Nilisco@wrath.shellfx.net) 07.49.33 Quit Nilisco (Client Quit) 07.54.11 Join Nilisco [0] (i=nilisco@wrath.shellfx.net) 08.07.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.34.25 Join paugh [0] (n=pete@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 09.06.45 Quit paugh (Remote closed the connection) 09.07.06 Join paugh [0] (n=pete@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 09.50.16 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.58.13 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 10.05.51 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@tm.213.143.74.124.dc.telemach.net) 10.07.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.07.35 Quit paugh (Remote closed the connection) 10.07.58 Join paugh [0] (n=pete@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 10.13.09 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.15.03 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.20.34 Quit linuxstb_ ("Leaving") 10.23.38 Nick QT_ is now known as QT (i=as@madwifi/users/area51) 10.34.36 Quit Strath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.40.25 Join webguest74 [0] (n=d5ee419a@labb.contactor.se) 11.30.14 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.40.34 Join cYmen [0] (n=cymen@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.54.07 Quit paugh ("Leaving") 12.07.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.36.26 Join Moos [0] (i=Moos@m60.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.15.21 Join amiconn [0] (i=jens@pD9F4C612.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.23.14 Join preglow [0] (n=thomjoha@hekta.edt.aft.hist.no) 13.24.20 # Can anyone help with my archos compile problem I mentioned in IRC yesterday (at about 16:00)? The linking of rockbox.elf fails with "error: no memory region specified for loadable section `.rela.dyn'" 13.25.43 # I'm using gcc 3.3.6 and binutils-cvs from about 3 weeks ago. Is it simply a binutils problem and I should install 2.16.tar.gz ? 13.27.27 # Hmm, I didn't encounter this a single time, but then I always used release binutils 13.27.36 # (2.16 atm, 2.15 before) 13.28.35 # The same binutils version works fine on the iriver - but I think there are different .lds files used. 13.29.30 # The "source" .lds is the same, but it is preprocessed to build the .lds used for actual linking 13.30.05 # I use binutils 2.16 for both SH1 and coldfire 13.30.32 # I know the latest is 2.16.1, but did not yet try it 13.31.11 # OK, I'll try the release 2.16 first - just to make sure it's not a different problem with my installation. But I'm not sure what else it could be. 13.38.31 # What's the aspect ratio for an Archos Recorder LCD - i.e. if I want a square 6 pixels high, what width should I use? I seem to remember someone saying it doesn't have square pixels. 13.39.19 # The aspect of the archos LCD is 0.8; the pixels are taller than wide 13.40.53 # You would need a width of 7.5 pixels to make an exact square ;) 13.41.04 # That's what I thought :( 13.41.16 # This is for Sudoky I presume? 13.41.21 # *Sudoku 13.41.27 # Yep. 13.41.38 # I'm in the process of making it work on the Archos. 13.41.55 # You need 9 rows, correct? 13.42.07 # That would allow for 7 pixels per row 13.42.07 # I'm guessing the simulator doesn't adapt for the aspect ratio? 13.42.17 # No, it doesn't 13.42.54 # You can do that with the Win32 sim, but the scaling looks a bit rough 13.43.15 # I need 9 rows. If I use gridlines (10 lines in each direction), then it only leaves 6 pixels inside each cell. 13.43.40 # Yes, inside are 6 pixels 13.44.05 # I also need to somehow indicate the 3x3 subgrids - so I'm planning solid lines for the 3x3 grids, and dotted lines for the 1x1 grids. 13.44.06 # If you can use the Win32 sim, you can build a version that does aspect correction. 13.44.31 # uisimulator/win32/uisw32.h does contain the GUI position #defines 13.44.50 # Look at line 62 and 64, the comments say what to do... 13.45.11 # I could try the win32 sim, but I've got an Archos recorder, so I'll just install the correct binutils and test on the real device. I need to do that anyway. 13.45.20 # ..for fm recorder. You'll also find the values for recorder and Ondio 13.46.03 # So is the aspect ratio different for different archos devices? I thought the sizes were the same. 13.46.21 # They are the same, just the gui layout is different 13.46.39 # It's the exact same lcd type (except for the player of course) 13.46.51 # Are you just talking about the sims being different? 13.46.57 # Yes 13.47.11 # The position of the LCD within the GUI window differs 13.49.29 # This bug: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1443.0 is an all-platform bug, I just verified it 13.49.40 # * amiconn goes bug-hunting 13.51.37 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 14.07.32 *** No seen item changed, no save performed. 14.07.41 # Fixed. 14.08.12 Join zhilik [0] (n=null@ppp83-237-231-223.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 14.09.33 # I've scanned the insides of my HD200 and am a bit puzzled with where to upload them. 14.12.28 # HD200 ? 14.12.48 # MPIO HD200 - it's a 5Gb MP3 player. 14.12.51 # ah 14.30.01 # zhilik: put them in a wiki page 14.30.25 # How? 14.30.41 # there's an "attach" in the bottom of each page 14.31.01 # And into what topic? Or should I create a new one? 14.31.09 # create a new one 14.31.28 # gotta go! 14.33.10 # Ok. But.. Stupid question: how do I create a new topic? 14.33.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/YourPageName 14.33.53 # and click Create ^^ 14.43.34 # Thanks - it seems I got the idea. 14.43.49 # I'll post a link after I upload the scans. 14.50.51 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 15.27.39 Quit webguest74 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.37.47 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.39.09 # Here it is: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/InsideMPIOHD200 15.40.48 # ooh, 5249 15.41.45 # i do think jpegs would have prompted more people to download, though, six megs is pretty hefty for a picture ;) 15.41.58 # BGA 15.42.01 # Well, it is 1200 DPI 15.42.16 # but nice scans 15.42.20 # you could put up lores versions too 15.42.30 # * amiconn won't better not have a look at it now 15.42.44 # I'm currently on a 56K modem connection... 15.42.44 # Yeah, I noticed - the microcontroller a memory are in BGA's :-( 15.42.44 # Bagder: iriver uses what socket? 15.42.53 # gtg, cu later 15.43.00 # bga, iirc 15.43.03 Part amiconn 15.43.16 # yes, we do 15.43.18 # Linus removed them completely when he measured them 15.43.25 # that's the only socket capable of 140mhz on that coldfire rev 15.43.42 # OK, i'll convert them to JPG 15.43.48 # do so 15.43.56 # not too heavily compressed, but itll still help tons 15.46.00 # It's uploading... 15.48.04 # Well... I wonder how do I remove a BGA microcontroller without destroying it? And after that, how do I put it back? 15.48.19 # And my player IS on a guarantee... :-) 15.50.04 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 15.50.42 # I've uploaded the JPEG versions 15.50.50 # ahaha 15.50.56 # you don't put it back with any ease 15.52.06 # That's what I thought :-( 15.56.54 Nick Sucka`zZzZz is now known as Sucka (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 16.07.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.11.49 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 16.17.41 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.52.26 Join webguest89 [0] (n=8ddfd339@labb.contactor.se) 16.56.07 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 17.00.22 Join hubbel [0] (i=hubbel@h7n2fls304o1033.telia.com) 17.00.37 Quit hubbel (Client Quit) 17.13.41 # Anyone know if there is a function to draw a dotted line in Rockbox? 17.18.52 # can't say i do 17.41.27 # woe is me 18.07.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.12.38 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 18.17.11 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 18.19.31 Join bagawk [0] (i=1000@67-42-194-6.eugn.qwest.net) 18.27.36 Join mbr_ [0] (n=mb@stz-softwaretechnik.de) 18.28.26 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 18.30.37 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 18.31.09 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081D8ED.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.43.12 Quit mbr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.44.34 Join mbr [0] (n=mb@stz-softwaretechnik.de) 18.44.34 Quit mbr_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.54.10 # Would there be any objections to adding the menu functions to the plugin API? Was there a reason it wasn't done for Rockboy? 18.56.16 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 19.01.43 Quit edx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.18.51 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host81-156-159-120.range81-156.btcentralplus.com) 19.30.15 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD651C.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.21 # linuxstb: The menu functions aren't in the api because no plugin uses them so far. The rockboy guys preferred to do their own for whatever reason (and for iriver only) 19.46.43 # I'm all for putting them in as soon as a plugin needs them 19.47.19 # In fact I want to convert all the odd button combos of the viewer into a nice option menu for a long time.... 20.00.37 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 20.07.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.09.26 # I'm using it the menus for Sudoku. I could probably live with out them, but I prefer a nice menu instead of unintuitive button assignments. 20.09.52 Join webguest93 [0] (n=1808adb1@labb.contactor.se) 20.10.22 # is it me or are the output levels on the latest build much much lower? 20.14.04 # sounds normal to me 20.14.09 # Just for the record, my Archos build went fine after I installed binutils-2.16. So there seems to be a problem with the latest binutils cvs and the SH1 Rockboxes 20.14.17 # the iriver build 20.14.22 # the line out is much lower 20.15.16 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.195.128) 20.16.14 # hm i just tested normal output 20.16.31 # Are you sure your settings are still the same? They are quite often reset by daily builds. 20.16.54 # yeah 20.16.58 # i use replaygain 20.18.27 Quit matsl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.22.49 # webguest93: What do you have set for the General Settings -> Playback -> ID3 tag priority option? 20.23.32 # v2 then v1 20.24.38 # I've no idea what the problem is then. 20.25.38 # guess i'll go back to old build then 20.25.46 # sept 4 i was using before 20.25.48 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 20.29.44 Join solex_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c223105.adsl.hansenet.de) 20.29.58 Quit solex (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.43.31 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A857B6.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.46.52 Join webguest43 [0] (n=51bd66f1@labb.contactor.se) 20.48.00 # hi ! could someone comment on the PCM recording ? I want to record a long choir performance in a few weeks, and would need to know how likely it is to crash/die/mess the recording up ? 21.00.37 Join [1]Moos [0] (i=Moos@m60.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.00.38 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.00.41 Nick [1]Moos is now known as Moos (i=Moos@m60.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.09.33 Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC") 21.23.29 Quit bagawk ("Leaving") 21.30.17 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 21.31.18 # the rockboy menu looks pretty neat 21.31.32 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.32.08 # webguest43: pretty hard to say, i think it's decent, though 21.32.26 # but as you've probably seen, it's in the debug menu, so... 21.33.54 # Yes, I agree the rockboy menu looks nice, but there are two major problems (unless I've missed something) - it doesn't adjust itself for the Archos displays, and it's limited to the number of menu items it can display on the screen (i.e. no scrolling). 21.34.44 # i'd like to see skinable widgets once... 21.34.45 # heh 21.34.55 # granted, it means very little to me 21.35.16 # webguest43: Only way to know for sure it will do what you want is to do some tests. I seem to recall people saying it works well, but I've never tried it myself. 21.35.17 # think i'll see about adding wav writing now 21.35.53 # It's going to be chaos when we all try and commit our changes to CVS the minute after 2.5 is released... 21.36.02 # yes, indeed 21.36.23 # but thats the nature of a feature freeze 21.36.51 # just start a new branch? 21.37.02 # preglow: Yep, I'm not complaining. 21.38.06 # hmm 21.38.10 # coob: That's probably more trouble than it's worth. 21.38.10 # weird ogg bug 21.38.23 # Is that the 25-minute bug? 21.38.26 # preglow: Imho the feature freeze time should be primarily used for fixing bugs (that's why it's there). This isn't limited to certain platforms 21.38.27 # only because cv sucks :) 21.38.42 # cvs* 21.39.03 # amiconn: well, yeah, but that almost never happens 21.39.07 # ...so there shouldn't be that many features delayed by the freeze. Most devs should be working on bugfixes ;) 21.39.18 # all feature freezes i've seen have been like this 21.39.32 # linuxstb: yea 21.39.34 # I *am* working on fixing and improving things... 21.39.40 # yes, you are 21.39.49 # but some people are also working on new things 21.40.15 # Imho new features aren't worth a lot if the existing code has problems 21.40.25 # I don't mean minor problems... 21.40.39 # fixing bugs is tons more boring than coding new things 21.41.17 # i haven't done anything at all, so i cant say too much 21.41.28 # but that's for other reasons 21.41.33 # For my part, I am still using my archoses way more than my iriver, because I don't like to carry paper clips around all the time 21.41.51 # pft, you soon learn to improvise when it comes to reseting it ;) 21.42.22 # so far i've used twigs, chocolate wrappers, pens, small stones and screwdrivers to reset it, hehe 21.42.24 # get an ipod, you don't need a apaper clip to reset them :) 21.42.30 # coob: how do you do it? 21.42.53 # Unfortunately I'm not really familiar with the iriver playback code, otherwise I would certainly try to improve stability 21.43.02 # (and remove a number of annoyances) 21.43.03 # preglow: hold two keys 21.43.28 # coob: I don't need a paper clip to reset an archos either, apart from that it is almost never necessary to do that 21.43.56 # The archos has a hardware override for poweroff, just hold the Off button long enough 21.44.52 # The old archoses (player and recorder v1) even have such a short hardware poweroff timeout that we cannot finish housekeeping if a user shuts down the hard way 21.44.58 # Just one second... 21.45.18 # The newer ones (fm/v2 recorder, Ondios) have a 10-second timeout 21.45.53 # Hmm, i haven't need to reset iriver for a long time when using it on the field 21.46.21 # preglow: Yes I know your creativity when it comes to resetting the iriver, but I don't want to risk my reset button breaking 21.46.28 # hows battery life on the iriver under rockbox? 21.46.53 # Slasheri: All days I tried using my iriver "for real" I had to reset at least 1..2 times 21.47.14 # amiconn: hmm, that's weird.. do you know what caused it to crash/hang? 21.47.28 # I know a number of reproducable ways 21.47.37 # One is loading a .cfg while playing music 21.48.08 # hehe, i haven't never tried that 21.48.21 # That's the one happening most of the time to me 21.48.37 # oh, i will try to fix that soon (maybe tomorrow) 21.48.43 # loading a .cfg while playing worked for me :s 21.48.48 # please tell the other bugs also if you know any 21.49.10 # I start playback, notice I've loaded the wrong config (e.g. last used it with earphones, but now in the car) and try to load e.g. car.cfg => eek! 21.49.58 # Slasheri: Another one is e.g. trying to resume a track that's no longer on the disk 21.50.56 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@217.184.239.189) 21.50.58 # A related annoyance is the removal of non-existent tracks from the playlist. "Dear rockbox, please don't mess with my playlist. It's *my* playlist, not yours. Thanks." 21.51.25 # re 21.51.41 # amiconn: I am going to fix that track removing/skipping issue soon 21.52.18 # Another (not rockbox related) deficiency of the H1x0 is that radio reception is worse than on the Ondio FM, although they use the same radio chip 21.52.41 # (Tested in the sampe place, using the same earphone wire as the antenna) 21.52.43 # thanks about that resume bug too, these are hard to try without knowing what to try 21.53.42 # I'll try to do more H1x0 work after the freeze 21.54.13 # hehe, i have also something to commit after the freeze is over :) 21.54.32 # Maybe I'll do a little thing right now, need to improve my coldfire assembler practise... 21.54.46 # :) 21.54.54 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.54.54 # but now sleep, c u -> 21.55.03 # nightey 21.55.58 # * amiconn has *no* pending work that needs to wait until after the freeze 21.57.03 # amiconn: What's different with your config settings when you switch them on your iriver?. It seems that not every config change causes Rockbox to crash. 21.58.11 # Sound settings, display settings, voice ui 21.58.24 # That narrows it down :) 21.58.44 # Can you remember if you had the problem before the voice UI was introduced? 21.58.58 # I don't know 21.59.16 # ...didn't encounter it, but then use it even less often 21.59.20 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.59.22 # *uused 21.59.25 # *used 21.59.29 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.07.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.11.58 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.53 Join linuxstb [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 22.15.16 # Voice UI doesn't seem to cause the iriver to crash if that's the only config file difference. 22.22.33 Join Febs [0] (n=Febs@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 22.33.25 Join hubbel [0] (i=hubbel@h7n2fls304o1033.telia.com) 22.53.00 Quit hubbel () 22.59.46 Join webguest84 [0] (n=52270c9c@labb.contactor.se) 23.00.17 Quit webguest84 (Client Quit) 23.15.47 Join cv_ [0] (n=verm@209.67.221.118) 23.21.11 Quit zhilik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.28.01 Part ep0ch 23.34.57 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.50.07 Join muratx [0] (i=MKPortal@85.100.176.166) 23.50.17 Part muratx