--- Log for 21.11.105 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 16 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.09 # I don't know 00.00.10 # im not really into drama like manga 00.00.13 # anime 00.00.21 # pinkutank? 00.00.23 # i like surreal stuff 00.00.29 # hmm let me think 00.00.34 # yes anime title 00.00.35 # it may be cowboy beop 00.00.42 # it got me in this after all 00.00.45 # its movie 00.00.52 # it has a really good movie 00.00.54 # there are many differenst animes I like 00.01.01 # gits 1 is good 00.01.01 # I have seen the movie but not the eps 00.01.35 # lol, you know the spike kinda character, one in every anime? 00.01.44 # spike is identical to me 00.01.50 # visually 00.01.55 # but I dont smoke 00.01.56 # atm, "mahoraba" is a good anime, it's funny 00.01.57 # character or appearance? 00.01.59 # oh 00.02.30 # a bit like L from death note, something between spike and l 00.03.28 Join Addam [0] (n=a@cpc1-asht1-3-0-cust160.manc.cable.ntl.com) 00.05.18 Quit Subterranean (Connection timed out) 00.08.14 # i haven't seen mahoraba 00.08.14 Quit ramninja (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.08.27 Join webguest01 [0] (n=864c0307@labb.contactor.se) 00.08.40 Part Philip_0729 00.09.17 # i gotta do some physics homework 00.10.11 # on electric 00.10.30 # electricity is cool 00.12.40 Quit iobound ("Leaving") 00.13.11 # someone please give me a clue 00.13.29 # sorry, I have none 00.13.48 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-241.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.14.11 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.15.52 # i love digging out scraps of code from huge programs 00.15.57 # programs/oses 00.17.33 # what are you trying to dig 00.17.55 # Hmm - now that we have status bar setting in themes, do you think we should remove the setting from the generated "theme"? 00.18.11 # erm, in WPS, I mean? 00.18.14 # interrupt controller code 00.18.24 # what is the themes setting btw 00.18.30 # couldnt get it yet 00.18.37 # it shows up empty dempty 00.18.48 # themes is just a quick way to load a wps and rwps at the same time. 00.19.05 # i dont have a remote :) 00.19.07 # You running on Archos? No-one's submitted an archos theme yet? 00.19.16 # iriver 00.19.29 # bleeding edges dont contain themes 00.19.44 # Then you should have themes in your theme directory, you're somehow not unpacking the zip correctly. 00.20.55 # bleeding edge doesnt contain wps and themes 00.23.51 # Erm, yes it does. I just downloaded it to check. 00.24.06 # If you're building your own, then you need to check out the cvs WPS module. 00.24.28 # (and not claim to be running a bleeding edge build - that's a CVS build.) 00.25.00 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.27.13 # morning all 00.27.23 # anything interesting happen while i was int he land of nod? 00.28.09 # no wonder kernel hackers are mad 00.29.22 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 00.29.59 Quit tim66 () 00.30.58 Quit Addam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.03 # Anyone know where read() lives? 00.34.25 Join San||Away [0] (n=Test@213-202-156-34.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 00.36.01 # Ah - firmware/common/file.c 00.37.20 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.39.30 # Hmmm. Any good reason why we don't return EOF from readwrite() if we have an end of file condition? 00.40.50 # EOF? isn't that a stdio thing? 00.41.28 # Erm, could be. How're you supposed to detect an attempt to read past EOF then? 00.42.27 # it returns less than the bytes you requested 00.42.58 # 0 means end-of-file 00.43.26 # man 2 read 00.43.46 # Ah, right. Good oh. 00.43.54 # Just looking there actually. 00.44.07 # any arm people here? :/ 00.44.39 # I've got two, I use them for typing. 00.44.59 # preglow: no, i'm more of a leg guy :-P 00.45.18 # Shit puns, now in glorious stereo. 00.45.27 # bad jokes, baaaad jokes 00.45.42 # shame on us 00.45.47 # lol 00.46.21 # if i hadn't seen it coming, i might have died laughing 00.46.42 # LinusN: Can you spot the place where the BDM connects to? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/GigabeatInfo/5.jpg 00.46.55 # bdm? wouldn't that use jtag or something? 00.47.14 # yes, jtag 00.47.29 # besides, they don't always include a debug port 00.47.29 # thought it was just a different name 00.47.37 # nah, it's a different standard 00.47.42 # bdm is a motorola thing 00.48.43 # markun: like preglow says, it may not have a debug connector 00.49.02 # yuck, a bga cpu... 00.49.39 # LinusN: I wanted to talk about the radio fmr preset handling if you have time. 00.49.50 # what about it? 00.49.59 # I talked to Anton and he said to me to make a patch that touches only radio.c 00.50.03 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.50.25 # well I tried again, but obviously this can't be done via normal ways. 00.50.27 Quit drumrboy320 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.50.49 # For one thing fmr files must respond like langs fonts and wps 00.51.09 # so that means another filtype (like in my first patch) fmr 00.52.16 # settings.c and settings.h also must be added with a little code to remember last user file 00.52.23 # how much ram does the h300's have? 00.53.00 # XavierGr: why must they behave like font and wps files? 00.53.12 # JdGordon: 32mb 00.53.39 # how much is free after ockbox fiishes loading? 00.54.17 # 30mb or so 00.54.18 # LinusN: to browse a specific folder, for the user to see fmr files, I will need to call rockbox_browse(path, show file handler) 00.54.32 # * preglow kicks the interrupt controller 00.54.40 # this means that I need to make a SHOW_FMR type 00.55.02 # ah yes, if we want to use rockbox_browse 00.55.04 # also settings must have a new entry (like wps) to store the last file 00.55.33 # But I see no point rejecting the usual tasks for current filetypes 00.55.42 # the code to be added is very small 00.56.02 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-156-34.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 00.56.37 # I can understand that you may don't want the user to load radio from a file. 00.56.41 # so we can keep this 00.57.35 # but if we want to store last fmr file and have a wps-alike browse, then I must make some changes outside radio.c 00.58.31 # changes == to add code for a new filetype 00.59.17 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-156-34.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 00.59.51 # * Cassandra considers aliasing 'vi' to 'emacs' 01.00.53 # XavierGr: i wonder if we really want the selected file to be the "active" file, or just copy the contents of the file to the preset file 01.01.06 # i think i want the latter 01.01.38 # because i don't want to destroy a preset file by, for example, doing an autoscan 01.01.44 # ah so you mean to have a default file and store there contents of fmr files? 01.01.54 # yes 01.02.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.02.21 # and of course be able to save the preset file to a named preset file 01.02.24 # well the autoscan example can be easilly avoided 01.02.44 # I have a clear preset list option which can't really delete the current preset file 01.03.22 # ?? 01.04.50 # I mean that the autoscan feature can easily be changed not to interfere with the current preset file,(so that it will be safe, and can't delete user's file) 01.05.07 # where would it save the presets then? 01.05.16 # LinusN: I agree. It's the same as the .cfg files not becoming "active" when you select them. 01.05.43 # you make the autoscan 01.05.49 # the previous file is not changed 01.06.05 # then you select save new preset list and you have a new file with the autoscan 01.06.13 # LinusN: Did you see my idea of splitting some config #defines in a feature and an implementation part? Backlight in this case; read back at ~22:50. linuxstb had similar thoughts concerning ipod button handling... 01.07.02 # if not then the autoscan is lost 01.07.11 # is it just me, or does rolo not work with the new rockbox.iriver location? 01.07.14 # gahh 01.07.26 # the main cpu and coprocessor must be clocked at the same speed for ipod :/// 01.08.18 # ashridah: rockbox.iriver hasn't moved 01.08.35 # preglow: I think the cop can be run at half the speed of the main cpu. 01.08.41 # LinusN: except in my case, where i moved it to .rockbox/ ? :) 01.08.47 # linuxstb: i'd rather it was the other way around 01.08.54 # why wouldn't rolo work? 01.09.03 # of course, nothing keeps us from using the main cpu as the codec cpu... 01.09.15 # LinusN: not sure. it just didn't detect any changes to rockbox.iriver 01.09.19 # preglow: I agree. 01.09.21 Quit webguest01 ("CGI:IRC") 01.09.36 # I'm having a brain fart - remind me how to switch buffers in emacs, someone, please? 01.09.38 # ashridah: that has nothing to do with rolo working or not 01.09.57 # linuxstb: but of course, it probably doesn't matter too much, since we can send the cop to sleep whenever we want 01.10.07 # LinusN: okay, it could just have not noticed the new file, i suppose. 01.10.07 # crtl-x ctrl-b? 01.10.12 # Ta. 01.10.38 # preglow: Is it possible to send the main cpu to sleep reversibly, i.e. will an interrupt wake it up again? 01.10.50 # ashridah: the check for updated rockbox.iriver is not updated though, since rockbox.iriver hasn't moved yet 01.11.19 # The check for updated firmware file isn't reliable anyway 01.11.20 # LinusN: aah, so you're only checking both locations in the bootloader for now. gotchya 01.11.27 # amiconn: no 01.12.04 Quit RotAtoR ("CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2004/01/29)") 01.12.14 # LinusN: but yeah, i've already moved my rockbox.iriver into .rockbox, which is why i'm asking. i know rockbox.zip hasn't changed yet 01.12.50 # we will make that change eventually, but we'll wait for bootloader v6 to hit the shelves so to speak 01.13.23 # * amiconn already runs bootloader v6 01.13.30 # i do too :-) 01.13.44 # amiconn: i think the macro idea is good 01.14.08 # amiconn: i don't yet know if it's such a sleep we're talking about 01.14.28 # amiconn: all i know is it's possible to lull the cop to sleep when you want, as well as wake it 01.14.34 # I'm thinking about having a general HAVE_BACKLIGHT and keeping CONFIG_BACKLIGHT for implementation details 01.14.47 # I'm somewhat heading towards backlight simulation... 01.15.09 # yeah, saw the logs 01.16.47 # LinusN: So do you want me to drop entirely the wps-approach? We can discuss this to the mailing list too to see what the other devs like. 01.16.50 # Is there much point in upgrading to v6 for H1xx? 01.17.10 # XavierGr: i think it might work well 01.17.32 # To drop the wps approach? 01.17.41 # Cassandra: no critical bugs were fixed, but a few annoyances 01.17.48 # XavierGr: to have it 01.18.09 # :) then proceed with it? 01.18.17 # Guess I'll do it when I have a spare moment then. 01.18.35 # Cassandra: and you will need int once we move rockbox.iriver to .rockbox 01.19.28 # I don't see why this move is necessary 01.19.40 # It might make life even harder on mMacOS 01.20.10 # LinusN: My H120 booted into the original firmware when I tried to turn in on with the remote and the main unit on hold. Is that a bug? 01.20.21 # Today, if a MacOS user unzips with a tool that doesn't unzip /.rockbox , rockbox will complain about incomplete installation 01.20.24 # amiconn: i think the "." should be removed as well 01.20.37 # Gah, that would be relly ugly 01.21.00 # I don't want the .rockbox folder in the "supported" view 01.21.03 # ugly? 01.21.06 # yeah I agree with linus on the '.' 01.21.21 # that's easy fixable no? 01.21.30 # we can filter it 01.21.36 # Yes, more code.. 01.21.40 # yeah 01.21.59 # the "." has meant a lot of trouble since the beginning of the project 01.22.07 # ?? 01.22.26 # back in the old days, the user had to create .rockbox himself 01.22.38 # :) 01.22.43 # and the silly windows explorer didn't allow it 01.22.43 # you guys sound grumpy now 01.22.53 # There's cmd ... 01.23.01 # mkdir .rockbox isn't that hard 01.23.05 # mkdir is easy 01.23.09 # amiconn: yes, and there are workarounds for mac users as well 01.23.41 # but that means more time spent in the forums and irc, guiding clueless users 01.23.51 # Yes, but if you move the firmware file to /.rockbox , and a MacOS user uses a bad unzip tool, rockbox would simply not be there 01.24.07 # that's why i want the "." removed 01.24.09 # Why don't we give it the system attribute in the filesystem? 01.24.09 # i wonder why i can't get the md5sum for v6 to match... 01.24.18 # (sorry - that's more trouble) 01.24.27 # preglow: building it yourself? 01.24.31 # LinusN: ..and that's why I would want the firmware file to stay in the root, and keep the . 01.24.34 # LinusN: no, from wiki 01.24.55 # i don't like the . at all 01.24.59 # amiconn: and still have the same problem with the maccies? 01.25.16 # At least they'll notice that something is wrong 01.25.42 # they will notice it if rockbox.iriver is missing too 01.25.47 # preglow: Which iriver firmware are you using? 01.25.51 # the zip will appear empty 01.26.03 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 01.26.14 # linuxstb: 1.65 eu 01.26.29 # linuxstb: and bootloader-h120.zip 01.26.38 # preglow: That's exactly what I used, and the md5sum matched the one in the wiki 01.26.38 # LinusN: Talking about bootloaders, do you know what the bootloader.bin file is that is linked to in the text just above the checksums table? 01.26.45 # preglow: you don't need the bootloader file 01.26.53 # preglow: go you have a bdm? 01.26.57 # XavierGr: no 01.27.07 # LinusN: i don't need the bootloader file? 01.27.12 # then don't flash it! :) 01.27.22 # ah sorry, you use mkboot? 01.27.26 # LinusN: yes 01.27.32 # i'm in linux, no fwpatcher here 01.27.40 # wine :-) 01.27.44 # haha, no wine either 01.28.02 # a lot of people have said they were going to port fwpatcher to this and that 01.28.04 # mkboot should work, did you run "make" in tools? 01.28.04 # never happened 01.29.04 # preglow: bootloader-h120 and 1.65eu gave me the same md5sum as the wiki page. I used mkboot as well. 01.29.06 Quit Sanitarium (Connection timed out) 01.29.07 # bootloader-h120.zip??? 01.29.15 # bahhh 01.29.24 # a change in mkboot gave new md5sum 01.29.33 # LinusN: Another advantage of the . is that it makes the dir so special that there is less chance for a user to delete it 01.29.36 # i never remember to run make in tools 01.29.46 # amiconn: that's true 01.30.02 # if it isn't filtered 01.30.14 # ...and with bootloader v6 the . can't be removed anyway 01.30.24 # amiconn: Do you know which Mac zip tools cause a problem? Maybe we should mention it somewhere (unless we already do). 01.30.35 # The best solution would be an universal installer, imho 01.30.39 Quit San||Away (Connection timed out) 01.31.08 # linuxstb: I have no idea, I only read about this problem in the forum. 01.31.18 # I never owned or used a mac 01.31.48 # Are you sure the zip tools are broken? Macs will hide "." files in the same way as any Unix O/S. 01.31.50 # I don't think it's our job to work around brokenness in Mac unzippers. 01.31.51 # i once tried to install rockbox with my mac, it drove me nuts 01.31.53 # Well, I did very few experiments with MacOS 7.x on a Mac emulator on Amiga 01.31.56 # hooray, iriver fw refuses to flash 01.31.59 # * linuxstb goes to the forums. 01.32.05 Quit San (Connection timed out) 01.32.39 # preglow: lovely 01.32.52 # linuxstb: Iiuc some Mac unzippers even hide the dotdirs from themselves 01.34.11 # i never liked using dots to indicate hidden files 01.34.13 # The command-line unzip comes as part of Mac OS X, and I've used that myself in the past to install Rockbox. I never tried a GUI zip program though. 01.34.22 # and many unzippers just unzip the damn thing to the desktop, and then forces the user to copy the contents to the jukebox 01.34.25 # Toshiba is sending me the linux source code to me by (normal) mail! 01.34.34 # and .rockbox isn't visible... 01.34.44 # markun: hehe. 01.34.46 # markun: nice 01.34.53 # markun: you hit the spot 01.34.56 # let's hope there is something useful there 01.35.02 # I told you theyd be helping 01.35.03 # But it might take a month.. 01.35.11 # preglow: Yes, the dotdir concept is a strange one, but it's an old convention in the *nix world... 01.35.12 # i'm not sure you will get what you want 01.35.20 # you can ask help from their devs 01.35.29 # theyre really in a pinch 01.35.31 # amiconn: yes, i know, old and foolish convention, if you ask me 01.35.31 # Me neiter, but we'll see 01.35.33 # pinchu desu 01.35.34 # :D 01.35.49 # preglow: not that foolish if you ask me 01.35.57 # you can get a dev from them to join you 01.36.04 # i don't think display attributes belong in the filename 01.36.12 # to create rockbox, supported by toshiba for gigabeat 01.36.15 # We *could* hide the rockbox dir without the . by setting the 'hidden' attribute, but I don't know which unzip tools will keep/extract that correctly 01.36.24 # and theyll also work like a lawnmover through bugs 01.36.27 # if you want something to be hidden, you give it an attribute, not an extra character in the filename 01.36.31 # preglow: It makes it easier to (e.g.) move all "." files together. 01.36.37 # i think the rockbox community sohul use toshiba :) 01.36.45 # linuxstb: well, yeah, but when do you want that? 01.37.05 # A better example is tab-completion. 01.37.25 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 01.37.27 # You couldn't do that in such a way as it only applied to files with a certain attribute. 01.37.52 # why not? it'd be taken for granted that hidden files should be ignored 01.38.00 # also by the tab complete routine itself 01.38.24 # it would a bit more work, of course 01.38.31 # since you'd need to look at more than the name 01.39.30 # but anyhow, why the hell wont this bitch flash 01.39.39 # Do you want my hex file? 01.39.41 # does it say anything? 01.39.58 # it says nothing 01.39.59 # (sorry, you said the md5sum matches now) 01.40.03 # it does match, yes 01.40.06 # what is the file name of the hex file? 01.40.53 # it should be ihp_120.hex iirc 01.40.55 # ihp_h120.hex 01.41.14 # ARGGHH 01.41.38 # * LinusN hides from the wrath of preglow 01.42.42 # how is this possible 01.42.44 # the md5sum matches 01.42.47 # what more can it want 01.43.17 # how is your vfat driver configured? 01.43.21 # not at all 01.43.45 # maybe the iriver firmware doesn't like shortnames? 01.44.04 # or vice versa 01.44.50 # does gigabeats record audio 01.45.42 # hahah 01.45.47 # rockbox can't rename it 01.45.49 Join timeclip [0] (n=LesPaul@S01060013102182e5.vc.shawcable.net) 01.45.50 # it says Rename failed 01.46.22 # You can't rename it to the same name as before with only the case being different 01.46.35 # Just add a letter, then rename again 01.46.50 # amiconn: yeah, i figured, but still doesn't work 01.46.58 # Strange... 01.47.00 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.48.02 # preglow: fsck? 01.48.20 # it's done this before 01.48.23 # ages and ages ago 01.48.24 # pinkutank: no, but I think there is a line in through a special dock 01.48.40 # then i fixed it by downloading the firmware from another site, but this time the md5sum is frigging identical 01.49.41 # wtf 01.49.42 # There are differences between boot sector and its backup. 01.50.09 # does anyone have the iriver H-340? 01.51.01 # fsck did a free cluster count fix 01.51.05 # that's all, still can't flash 01.51.47 # linuxstb: could you put your image up somewhere, just to verify the extent of this thing's anal rentention tendency 01.52.05 # timeclip: i have one here 01.55.39 # Linus, rockbox works well for you? 01.55.54 # i haven't installed rockbox on it 01.56.13 # ahh ok. I just got my 340 this week and I was considering giving it a try. 01.56.20 # don't 01.56.28 Join drumrboy320 [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 01.57.14 # okay. 01.57.24 # that's why i came here, some advice. 01.57.24 # rockbox is just an overrated piece of junk anyway:-) 01.57.28 # lol 01.57.37 # rockbox doesn't work on the h300 yet 01.57.50 # yeah, i'm at the site now and it's vague 01.57.59 # it can display the menus and run some plugins, but it's not worth the risk imho 01.58.41 # well the iriver software seems very stable 01.58.54 # sure, the misticriver crowd are wetting their pants, but rockbox is far from usable 01.58.58 # it is 01.59.02 # but it is very limited too 01.59.09 # the iriver stock sw is doing the trick thus far 01.59.19 # absolutely 01.59.27 # i give up 01.59.32 # bootloader v5 it is for me 01.59.45 # hehe 01.59.54 # you should use the stock firmware for a while, then you will appreciate rockbox so much more :-) 01.59.56 # this is called destiny 02.00.08 # to be bound with v5 bootloader for eternity.... 02.00.09 # preglow: weird indeed 02.00.24 # the iriver firmware is a frustrating lagged piece of junk, may i never need to touch it again 02.00.37 # amen 02.00.42 # flash it like Slasheri 02.01.01 # i'm yet to reach the levels of male behaviour shown by slasheri 02.01.10 # but i'd be happy if he wrote me a plugin for flashing, heh 02.01.12 # :-) 02.01.13 Join ansivirus [0] (n=ansiviru@adsl-68-88-192-154.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 02.01.32 # lol 02.02.51 # I though slasheri had gone completely crazy when he was happily reading and writing to flash ;) 02.02.57 # it obviously is my only chance anyway 02.03.11 # preglow: it would probably work if you reformatted 02.03.17 # markun: finns are generally crazy, remember that for future reference 02.03.31 # LinusN: yeah, i guess so, but i don't have enough space to backup the contents while i do so 02.03.45 # badness 02.03.48 # Closest I have been to finnland was estland, and they were crazy already. 02.03.49 # indeed 02.03.52 # who is finnish? 02.03.58 # slasheri 02.04.04 # ahh. yes. 02.04.09 # Slasheri: 02.04.12 # they have their share of genius's 02.05.29 # only proof i've got of finnish genious is the demo scene 02.05.42 # race drivers 02.05.46 # artisans 02.05.49 # luthiers 02.06.11 # small country to have so many people at the top of the lists 02.06.19 # linuxstb: seems i was a bit too enthusiastic when i said i'd have browsing working by now... 02.07.14 # preglow: i was worried that the ipod project would take the lead, but now h300 is clearly ahead :-) 02.08.07 # r u they doing this for the ipoop too>? 02.08.11 # we'll see!! 02.08.17 # lol 02.08.18 # timeclip: yes, me and linuxstb 02.08.24 # i see 02.09.21 # cool 02.11.21 # what would be cool would be me making interrupts work 02.12.52 # good luck 02.12.57 # u can do it! 02.12.59 # :) 02.13.56 # wading through all this cruft linux needs to do irqs is fun, fun, fun 02.16.38 # i can only imagine 02.18.08 # I don't think it's completely crazy to read and write the flash 02.18.19 Join SoulEata [0] (n=937c3159@labb.contactor.se) 02.18.26 # hello all 02.18.33 # Apart from that, Finland isn't too far away from Sweden.. 02.18.56 # Ok lets say that presets are going to sit in .rockbox/presets/ directory. Will that folder already made by the scipt or radio has to check for it? 02.20.17 Join SoulEata1 [0] (n=937c3159@labb.contactor.se) 02.20.27 # a java error crashed me. So now i have a clone. 02.20.46 # How fun. 02.20.54 Quit SoulEata (Client Quit) 02.21.06 # Not anymore. ;) 02.21.07 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@cpc1-asht1-3-0-cust160.manc.cable.ntl.com) 02.21.17 # bye bye 02.23.42 # Hmmm. Are the CVS builds requiring bootloader 6 already? 02.23.59 # Cassandra: No. 02.24.18 # That's very odd. I just did a build that doesn't have a rockbox.iriver in it. 02.24.29 # Oh, never mind. 02.24.41 # I need to type make in the real dir, not the simulator. 02.26.53 # i wonder what the ide irq is for 02.27.01 # we quite obviously don't need it 02.27.52 # /* Display the 42x47 pixel iPodLinux logo */ 02.28.37 # Hmm. I just noticed that when looking for parts to move from firmware to apps, the backlight thread is one such candidate 02.28.38 # Just found out that Gigabeat had USB host, but only through the dock. 02.29.17 # sorry for the spurious paste, it's starting to grow a little short of space on the desk here 02.29.28 # can't move my arms without hitting something that pastes ;) 02.29.36 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-161-41.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 02.30.10 # preglow: as long as it isn't something that cuts :-) 02.30.36 # i've got at least two of those stanley knife things here, so will probably happen sooner or later 02.31.05 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.31.32 # i'm already stupid enough to have them lying around with the blade retracted 02.31.41 # * preglow rectifies health hazard 02.33.04 # switchblades on desktop? 02.33.16 # you stab the penguin when it spurts out errors? 02.33.39 # don't we all? 02.34.27 # How did we decide how big the image buffer size was supposed to be? 02.34.43 # you asked the double banan wieldinh monkey 02.34.55 # I'm wondering where this no. pixels * no. of images / 25 idea came from. 02.35.07 # It's entirely possible. 02.35.23 # and it said ub3r j00 m3h 10v3s y3h 02.35.40 # That's nice. 02.35.43 # and was entirely pwnd by the banana spirder 02.36.10 # is there anyway to put bmps in alternating sublines and put them in conditionals? 02.36.24 # I tried 02.36.27 # it didnt work 02.36.34 # iAmp uses it, I think. 02.36.43 # as charger? 02.37.01 # what does it alternate 02.37.04 # No, codec, but have a look at it to see how they did it. 02.37.05 Quit Kyl3 () 02.37.14 # I'll have a look 02.37.19 # what does codec swithc with 02.38.17 # no it doenst 02.38.23 # i think you got confused there 02.38.32 # I'm talking about alternating sublines 02.38.40 # not bmps in normal conditionals 02.39.03 # well, now it hangs, at least 02.39.11 # perhaps that means i've successfully triggered an interrupt 02.39.20 # so do we have any pics of rbx on the ipod 02.40.15 # there was some 02.40.20 # preglow sohuld have one on nao 02.40.43 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/wootwoot.jpg 02.41.04 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/splash.jpg 02.41.07 # is nano screen much smaller than h120? 02.41.15 # Sorry - iAmp rpws is doing something similar with pause state. 02.41.15 # pinkutank: oh yes 02.41.18 # pinkutank: half the size 02.41.25 # piu 02.41.41 # I should stick to larger players for a while 02.41.47 # the new ipod looks promisin 02.42.03 # but I'll temporarily upgrade to an h320/40 02.42.31 # * Cassandra is trying to persuade a friend who *found* a Nano to part with it for Rockbox development. 02.42.37 # yeah nano screen is small 02.42.42 # (some people get all the luck. :( ) 02.42.47 # compared to an H120's screen it is very small 02.43.00 # She has a mini already, but she likes the shiny colour. 02.43.12 # heh, good luck getting it. :) 02.43.24 # which she 02.43.28 # whoa its color on the ipod. Thats kinda cool. 02.43.41 # I doubt you'd know her pinkutank 02.43.55 # my girl has a very nice player IMO 02.43.55 # isnt that the specialty of the ipods? their colors? 02.43.56 # oh that she kinda your friend 02.44.08 # lol *your* girl 02.44.12 # yep 02.44.17 # she inherited my H120 when i bought an H140 02.44.28 # thats why sheis yours? 02.44.33 # * Cassandra looks confused. 02.44.37 # sold her soul for h120 02.44.41 # lol 02.44.51 # DreamTactix291: Tell her that he has a very good boyfriend 02.44.57 # cassandra , i didnt see the purple /me text 02.45.08 # my friend has a h120 too 02.45.10 # Oh, right. 02.45.13 # Giving your H120 to another person is something 02.45.13 # Never mind. 02.45.13 # a brand new one with remote 02.45.17 # Cassandra: make her part with the mini instead, we don't have one of those! 02.45.18 # ;) 02.45.23 # lol 02.45.25 # ahahah 02.45.26 # i knew she'd take care of it 02.45.33 # and it was just collecting dust basically 02.45.41 # preglow: Can we theoretically get it booting on the mini? 02.45.43 # lets do shuffle and we can play guess the error 02.45.52 # Cassandra: sure 02.46.04 # I thought we were sticking to colour and nano for a reason? 02.46.06 # Cassandra: it might even boot as is 02.46.19 # we can even haver games in shuffle 02.46.21 # mind games 02.46.22 # Cassandra: reason being that linuxstb has a colour, and nano is very similar to colour 02.46.33 # you can print sokoban on paper for example 02.46.40 # and play it with pencil 02.46.47 # lol 02.46.48 # moving the joystic of the shuffle 02.46.51 # and when youre done 02.46.58 # it will do a nice bleep sound 02.47.03 # indicating that you won 02.47.14 # we can even have 3d games with shuffle 02.47.21 # see you close your eyes 02.47.29 # and listen to soundtracks of pc games 02.47.34 # pressing buttons randomly 02.47.37 # but arghh 02.47.46 # Oh, right. 02.47.49 # ducking jumpiing etc, and then the bus people kick you 02.47.54 # i write to what i assume is some kind of interrupt control registers for the buttons, and bam 02.47.58 # everything hangs 02.48.01 # ok I'm done brain shitting 02.48.10 # Well, I'll mention it to her. 02.48.27 # Not sure how good I'd be at doing the low level porting work. 02.48.36 # her, err gerr perrr purr purrr purr 02.48.45 # Cassandra: well, i'm not too sharp at it either, but i learn as i go 02.48.46 # My housemate has a mini, but I doubt she'd let me near it. 02.48.55 # can i be the official channel bzztwakhuk 02.49.14 # i'm buying my brother an iFP for christmas probably 02.49.15 # Sure. Why not? 02.49.36 # do we support ifps 02.49.42 # WE 02.49.43 # Nope. 02.49.45 # nope 02.49.46 # but 02.49.51 # i say we, all i do is clown around and you code 02.49.53 # he'll mostly use it for an FM radio 02.49.53 # so 02.49.55 # he doesn't care 02.49.57 # lol 02.49.58 # pinkutank: there's a port underway, but don't hold your breath 02.50.03 # * Cassandra checks out a clean source from CVS. 02.50.12 # I dont own one 02.50.18 # Gods Rockbox is getting big. 02.50.19 # neither planning to hold one 02.50.26 # yes 02.50.29 # you type make 02.50.30 # Cassandra: you've got that right 02.50.38 # and its as if its protein folding 02.51.15 # damn, timer_adjust_prescale() has issues on the h300 02.51.54 # :o 02.51.56 # will we use bmps for wpss in h300 and ipods 02.52.11 # * Cassandra gives up on adding buffer overflow conditions for WPS. 02.52.24 # Since my test didn't spot the darn overflow anyway. 02.52.52 # It's a bit annoying to have to keep increasing buffer sizes though. 02.54.15 Part timeclip 02.58.11 # I hope h3xx wps' are more advanced than the h1xx 02.59.27 # like? 03.00.00 # what like soul? 03.01.06 # Speak! ;) 03.01.45 # aside from colour images what would you change 03.02.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.02.31 # someone left a baby in a couryard and ran away? 03.03.30 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-156-231.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 03.03.32 Join San||Away [0] (n=Test@213-202-156-231.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 03.03.58 # arghhhh 03.05.21 # my kingdom for some documentation 03.05.30 # I've just commited rwps support for boxes. 03.05.34 # was? 03.05.38 # You may now rejoice. 03.05.48 Join cannard [0] (n=at@60-240-9-67-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 03.05.49 # la 03.05.50 # * CheeseBurgerMan rejoices. ;) 03.05.53 # lalala 03.06.02 # i use my own wps 03.06.10 # which ill release tomorrow 03.06.14 # :) 03.06.22 # but i want to learn how to create animated bmps 03.06.30 # as it didnt work 03.06.38 # should i cheat 03.06.42 # * amiconn is confused. 03.06.58 # preglow: Isn't the nano screen *higher* resolution than h1x0? 03.07.13 # amiconn: oh, that, i thought he meant physical dimensions 03.07.20 # i meant physical 03.07.23 # but 03.07.32 # that was because i forgot abut resolution 03.07.53 # but still too small to read manga, or not, I wonder 03.07.56 # Ah, hmm, 'f course 03.08.07 # I'll deceive someone 03.08.10 # and try 03.08.12 # har har 03.08.27 # Physically smaller, but higher resolution... will probably be hard to read the rockbox default font then 03.08.32 # my WPS is too simple for me to want to give to others 03.08.40 # my wps is a soup 03.08.51 # mine is imageless 03.08.56 # and is just filled with useful data 03.08.58 # just like i like it 03.09.33 # yeah I don't like bmps myself 03.09.53 # http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0001.bmp 03.09.57 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@p54A7C55E.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.09.57 # i dont have a wps yet :| 03.10.03 # http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0002.bmp 03.10.07 # http://www.rhythmplanetno1.com/hosted/dump_0001.png <-- that's mine 03.10.19 # that genre 03.10.26 # changes with bitrate and hz 03.10.44 # i don't have any alternating things 03.10.50 # its hard to explain what I would like to see in an h3xx WPS. I'm just thinking very very customizable, and better looking than the current screen 03.10.51 # and my remote wps is just a smaller version of my main one 03.10.57 # i dont like the db bar 03.11.05 # i'd probably use my same WPS if i had an H3xx 03.11.06 # lol 03.11.28 # well everything you wps shows 03.11.30 # mine shows too 03.11.34 # only not the codec 03.11.39 # because whats the use 03.11.42 # but its easy 03.11.49 # and ill incorporate i guess 03.11.54 # i actually have multiple codecs on mine 03.11.56 # some vorbis 03.11.57 # some wavpack 03.11.59 # some mp3 03.12.06 # I'll incorporate tomorrow then 03.12.17 # I like crowding my wps 03.12.21 Quit DMJC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.12.24 # vast majority of mine is vorbis though 03.12.27 # i like mine how it is 03.12.37 # i'm very minimalist when it comes to aesthetics 03.12.47 # amiconn: i think the rockbox default is perfectly legible 03.12.53 # amiconn: depends on the distance, of course 03.13.44 # ah, finally the buttons work when the cpu is boosted on the h300 03.13.55 # time to sleep 03.14.00 # night 03.14.07 Part LinusN 03.14.33 # /usr/bin/xte -x ":0.0" "key XF86AudioPlay" 03.15.09 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.15.21 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-156-231.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 03.16.30 # OMG Brian on Family Guy just dressed up as the banana man and did peanut butter jelly time 03.16.47 # it's been a long time since i saw family guy 03.16.47 # lets build for the night 03.16.57 # i gotta wake up in for 2 hours for school 03.17.13 # :o 03.17.20 # i do that a lot 03.17.22 # what? you get to school at 6.00? 03.17.33 # except for work and not school 03.17.34 # 6 30 wake up 03.17.38 # btw, did anyone ever get any further on the crediting whole groups of people issue? 03.17.41 # 7 service bus arrives 03.17.46 # 8 school starts 03.17.54 # i think codec people deserves some thanks, and now the ipodlinux people 03.17.55 # i usually leave bed 6:50 03.17.56 # and school starts at? 03.18.02 # oh 03.18.10 # i have a fun day at work tomorrow and the next day 03.18.10 # then it's the same with there 03.18.12 # 9-8 03.18.16 # :| 03.18.27 # school is like 40 miles from home :D 03.18.40 # :X 03.19.11 # mine was 10 minutes on foot :) 03.19.21 # thats nice 03.19.26 # id like going to school on foot 03.19.28 # indeed 03.19.35 # my school was about 30km from home 03.19.41 # when i went 03.19.43 # work is 17 03.19.44 # well I was definitely spoiled back then 03.19.52 Join elinenbe [0] (i=trilluse@207-237-225-9.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.19.59 # some times my dad was taking me there by ca 03.20.00 # r 03.20.15 # hehe 03.20.23 # i like walking alone on mornings 03.20.44 # I usually catch the service bus at the home of the 2nd person before me 03.20.57 # :) 03.21.09 # you should sleep then 03.21.20 # physics homewrok 03.21.21 # I must get up at 8.30 03.21.29 # but maybe I will make it an all nighter 03.21.30 # actually i find that if you're going to get less than like 2 hours of sleep it's best to just stay up 03.21.34 # I have to keep it open inf ront of me and not do it 03.21.38 # i wake up at 7:45 tomorrow morning 03.21.41 # exactly! 03.21.54 # if i do that dream, I'll die in schol and I know it 03.22.00 # I suffer from sleep paralysis 03.22.06 # my programm is pretty much very f*cked up 03.22.11 # i have insomnia 03.22.13 # really? 03.22.25 # I have tinnitus! 03.22.27 # sleep paralysis with hallucinations here 03.22.28 # do you know how its like to have sleep paralyiss in lessons 03.22.33 # really? 03.22.39 # that sucks :| 03.22.43 # :\ 03.22.43 # id rather have insomnia then tinnitus 03.22.45 # what's exactly sleep paralysis? 03.22.53 # I open my eyes 03.22.56 # paralyzed 03.22.57 # .D 03.22.58 # :D 03.23.00 # do you paralize with sleep 03.23.01 # ? 03.23.01 # in rem 03.23.02 # that's not unusual 03.23.07 # You missed an eye! ,) 03.23.13 # all people are paralyzed when they sleep, yours just lasts a bit longer ;) 03.23.18 # lol 03.23.27 # adrenaline pumps 03.23.27 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c186125.adsl.hansenet.de) 03.23.29 # even i get that sometimes 03.23.30 # Yup 03.23.33 # its scary for the first times 03.23.34 # and how do you get up then? 03.23.40 # it wears off 03.23.42 # you wait 03.23.44 # You're un-paralyzed. ;) 03.23.47 # but with hallucination 03.23.52 # you get up 03.23.58 # a dark shadow grabs you 03.24.00 # you fall down 03.24.03 # seems creepy 03.24.08 # you thing what the hell, is this a dream 03.24.12 # and you wake up 03.24.20 # so best thing with my wild imagination is 03.24.21 # ah 03.24.29 # keep eyes closed 03.24.33 # yeah 03.24.36 # Sounds freaky. :o 03.24.38 # and how much does this effect takes? 03.24.45 # i have them 4-5 times in a row in a night sometimes, then its boring 03.24.50 # how many minutes? 03.25.02 # I dont know really, brain doesnt work the same when youre sleeping 03.25.11 # no shit 03.25.13 # it may be 3 seconds you live long 03.25.21 # or it maybe a minute 03.25.35 # for me when i sleep it's like i don't sleep 03.25.52 # 4-5 times in a night is jsut boring tho,I cant sleep 03.25.53 # hehe 03.25.53 # i just wake up and it feels like i just laid down 03.26.02 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.26.04 # doesn't it for all people? 03.26.08 # ah then you don't miss dates or so. I mean if it lasts 1 minute. 03.26.10 # in classes 03.26.12 # yeah but i've never remembered a dream 03.26.13 # its funny 03.26.16 # so it's really really like that for me 03.26.22 # DreamTactix291: have you ever tried, though? 03.26.29 # DreamTactix291: remembering dreams can take some conscious effort 03.26.35 # i never remember them unless i try 03.26.38 # i can't form images in my mind at all 03.26.39 # so 03.26.43 # is it? 03.26.47 # I open my eyes, thinking if teacher calls me im doomed 03.26.47 # i've never remembered a dream 03.27.04 # luckily, a person or tow knows my conditiona nd will tell the teacher 03.27.09 # Ive remembered many 03.27.12 # not a single image? 03.27.15 # i wish i would 03.27.18 # nope 03.27.19 # pinkutank: think i'd just try to stay awake, if i were you 03.27.30 # should I 03.27.33 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis 03.27.37 # my mind works in numbers mostly 03.27.40 # b ut then Illjust compile again 03.27.45 # :D 03.27.48 # lol 03.28.24 # i'm not a very exciting person lol 03.28.26 Join StrathAFK [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 03.28.31 # my biggest hobby is audio encoding 03.28.39 # ost-synaptic inhibition of motor neurons in the pons region of the brain. In particular, low levels of melatonin may stop the depolarisation current in the nerves, which prevents the stimulation of the muscles. 03.28.41 # yes that 03.29.07 # # Irregular sleeping schedules; naps, sleeping in 03.29.07 # # Increased stress 03.29.11 # and the rasons 03.29.17 # the part that says:People who are fortunate enough to be facing a clock while having an episode may often be surprised to see how little time has gone by during an episode that seems to last a very long time. 03.29.23 # is very scary 03.29.26 # yay kanashibari 03.29.43 # think i'll go try to catch a dream or two now 03.29.50 # night 03.30.05 # night 03.30.43 # my cousin 03.30.51 # was abducted by nike clad black aliens once 03.31.03 # lol 03.31.04 # well on of the feelings is falling sensation 03.31.05 # , he was actually sleep paralysed, but that was what he saw 03.31.13 # I get this sometimes but I cant say it is the same 03.31.24 # i usually klnow its coming 03.31.30 # i say oh crap and it happens 03.31.44 # sometimes it happens when there is a glitch in a dream 03.31.44 # crap... 03.32.12 # Your dreams need debugging. :o 03.32.15 # like imw alking by a lake and suddenly a giant prianha face is projected over the lake, not scary, just like a mishap texture overlay problem 03.32.25 # and i say oh well here it goes 03.32.33 # hehe 03.32.39 # I need tweaking 03.32.42 # lol 03.32.43 # like matrix. 03.32.53 # preglow can you chek my brain 03.33.02 # If I were you I'd work on lucid dreaming 03.33.03 # does anyone here have the latest H300 archive? 03.33.09 # that I can grab? 03.33.09 # I work on it 03.33.10 # thegeek: i did do that once 03.33.11 # alot 03.33.15 # but 03.33.15 # :) 03.33.16 # is it documented? 03.33.16 # yeah 03.33.20 # so did I 03.33.22 # Im not allowed to 03.33.28 # i'm still fascinated by dreaming 03.33.30 # the dream was very..pleaseant 03.33.32 # like 03.33.39 # as soon as i get the control 03.33.47 # Im woken up by brain 03.33.48 # i'm fascinating by dreaming but for different reasons than you 03.33.50 # dreams are still a mystery to mankind.... 03.33.50 # i fight it 03.33.55 # i dream lucidly from time to time, but can't exactly induce them myself 03.33.56 # for a minute or two 03.34.00 # *pleasant 03.34.02 # mhm 03.34.03 # but it rgains control 03.34.14 # i either resleep in dream and dream 03.34.16 # it only happened once for me 03.34.24 # It happens to me alot 03.34.26 # what? 03.34.30 # but I could not keep control for a long time 03.34.39 # I just thought, "hey, cool, this is a dream" 03.34.40 # nah, it's hard 03.34.42 # ah to keep control of dreams? 03.34.48 # i dream in a lucid drema hich kills the lucidity 03.34.57 # it grows a bit slippery the moment you realize what's happening 03.34.57 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.35.03 # heh yes 03.35.05 # the key is to stay calm 03.35.05 # indeed 03.35.08 # Sometimes I can see my death in dreams 03.35.08 # hehe 03.35.10 # I usually fly 03.35.10 # it's creepy 03.35.12 # there are lots of tricks 03.35.14 # O.o 03.35.15 # Yeah. 03.35.16 # yup 03.35.18 # Ive been catwoman once 03.35.22 # i've got a book on it and all 03.35.23 # haha 03.35.24 # but yeah 03.35.27 # but I can never remember anything when I'm actually dreaming 03.35.28 # hehe 03.35.29 # lol 03.35.29 # I dreamed that the world was full of spiders... 03.35.29 # with latex 03.35.33 # desperately need sleep, later all 03.35.39 # and once 03.35.40 # Crawling all over everything, all the time. 03.35.40 # I just woke up 03.35.41 # hirr 03.35.44 # lol 03.35.48 # bye 03.35.54 # I was osmeone else but I was in the dream too, as a bohemian gay 03.36.04 # and I loved myself or sumtin 03.36.15 # :! 03.36.15 # and then I switched persepctives to someone 03.36.18 # else 03.36.23 # dont remember 03.36.27 # not physical love 03.36.30 # i dont even remember 03.36.36 # i think we were friends 03.36.40 # and I wasnt gay 03.36.40 # hehe 03.36.41 # dreams are strange 03.36.44 # dreams are wierd 03.36.46 # and cool 03.36.52 # very cool 03.37.04 # only reason to sleep :D 03.37.20 # :( 03.37.22 # have you tried that herb that induces lucid dreaming pinkutank ? 03.37.28 # which one 03.37.31 # I didnt 03.37.35 # hmm 03.37.39 # for me sleep is a very important part of my life (isn't this oxymoron?) 03.37.42 # I just read about a herb that did it 03.37.44 # atleast 03.37.50 # magic mushroom? 03.37.51 # made very vivid dreams 03.37.53 # nono 03.37.53 # i sleep so my eyes don't try to close on their own at work 03.37.54 # thats not dreaming 03.37.55 # :D 03.38.05 # but I havge memroy problems 03.38.35 # Calea zacatechichi 03.38.36 # Im really bored of life so i dont actively live much, ireally dont remember anything from the past five mins 03.38.37 # that can be seen in your spelling LOL 03.38.38 # http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/ 03.38.46 # kidding 03.38.47 # it's a bit of a drug really 03.38.53 # which is why I never tried it;) 03.39.06 # yes i spell idiotically in the last few days dunno why 03.39.13 # i have to remember names of people which is hard for me 03.39.21 # I wasnt bad in my ib orals, just tooo much ehmm s and uhmmss 03.39.22 # because i get about 30 calls a day as complaints 03.39.33 # what do you work as 03.39.34 # so i have selective memory 03.39.38 # appliance salesman 03.40.35 # So if I go there and want an oven, do I get a friend discount? ;) 03.40.56 # no 03.40.59 # Aww 03.41.03 # i charge you more 03.41.05 # :P 03.41.08 # lol 03.41.08 # :o 03.42.16 # Calea zacatechichi is legal on US 03.42.25 # yep 03.42.30 # I don't know on my country but it would be fun to test it 03.42.30 # and it seems pretty cool 03.42.35 # indeed 03.42.58 # also from the picture there it seems very common to me 03.43.06 # as if I have seen it before 03.43.11 # hmm 03.43.12 # I doubt that 03.43.17 # What is calea zacatechichi? 03.43.18 # lol 03.43.24 # a lot of plants seem simiar 03.43.27 # similar 03.43.27 # http://www.erowid.org/plants/calea_zacatechichi/ 03.43.31 # do we eat it 03.43.33 # or smoke it 03.43.41 # lol 03.43.41 # http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=12224 03.43.44 # beginners guide;) 03.43.44 # hehe 03.43.54 # maybe we boil it 03.44.08 Quit DreamTactix291 () 03.44.46 # it seems smoking, or putting it in capsules is the best 03.44.50 Quit Strath (Connection timed out) 03.45.00 # when I read about it a long time ago 03.45.05 # I was going to use capsules 03.46.09 # where can we find it :P 03.46.10 # since the stuff tastes so terrible that the psychological effect of the bad taste offsets the euphoric feeling one might otherwise encounter. 03.46.24 # I think it would be easiest to buy it 03.46.36 # hehe pinkutank 03.46.38 # capsules. 03.46.57 # Cale Z. is simply the worst tasting edible substance known to man. 03.47.01 # haha 03.47.05 # hehee 03.47.29 # damn 03.47.33 # now I want to try it again 03.48.11 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-157-39-233.bna.bellsouth.net) 03.48.34 # have you tried it thegeek? 03.48.41 # no 03.48.54 # It will still taste only slightly better than donkey feces. 03.49.05 # ;) 03.49.13 # Eww ;) 03.49.20 # I dont smoke anything 03.49.27 # so I dont think that is a good idea 03.49.29 # me neither 03.49.32 # * CheeseBurgerMan is smoke free. 03.49.42 # me too 03.49.44 # but I was considering using either tea or getting those small capsules 03.49.49 # and putting it inside the capsules 03.50.02 # then, when you eat the capsules, they open in your stomach 03.50.42 # but where to find it? 03.50.52 # it looks very common 03.51.02 # wouldnt be surprised to find it in forest 03.51.10 # I found a stem of cannabis 03.51.14 # and if I have leaves what do I do with them. 03.51.15 # in august 03.51.16 # XavierGr : buy it over the internet 03.51.30 # no.... 03.51.34 # it was growing out of a crack of a sidewalk 03.51.40 # why not? 03.51.58 Join FingerSoup [0] (i=icechat5@S010600508df503dc.vs.shawcable.net) 03.52.18 # well I think that bying things from internet you must have a very good reason to do 03.52.26 # hmm 03.52.27 # oh well 03.52.30 # think of the shipment costs 03.52.38 # Hey all. Any devs here (Or users of the iriver Simulator)? 03.52.39 # just for a plant 03.52.40 # I dont think it grows wild a lot of places 03.52.44 Quit yngwi ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") 03.52.47 # so you'd have a very hard time finding any 03.52.52 # I will search first in local stores 03.52.53 # XavierGr 03.52.57 # you dont buy the plant 03.53.01 # http://www.shroomery.org/index.php/par/11 03.53.01 # you buy dried leaves 03.53.11 # check out level 5 03.53.16 # I use it finger soup 03.53.19 # so if I just eat the plant raw? :D 03.53.29 # If I got lvl5, id be dangerous 03.53.37 # because I really hate humans 03.53.43 # Quick question - Does the sound playback work on any platform? 03.53.49 # bypassing control mech. is no good 03.53.52 # no FingerSoup 03.53.53 # not that I know of 03.53.53 # of course 03.54.02 # it does not work on h3xx and ipods yet 03.54.04 # I think 03.54.06 # playback on sim? 03.54.12 # on sim 03.54.12 # oh 03.54.15 # playback of auido in sim 03.54.15 # ;) 03.54.26 # I never thought it was possible 03.54.27 # is it? 03.54.27 # yes it dies for H100 and archos targets 03.54.38 # but you must compile the sim with extra options 03.54.49 # that I don't know 03.54.56 # Ok, so switching to a linux dev environment won't fix that. 03.56.14 # I thought it was just my system... 03.57.01 DBUG Enqueued KICK XavierGr 03.57.01 # 04 XavierGr: 01yes it dies for.... <- it dies? LOL I must watch what I type 03.57.23 # id really like shrooming sometime 03.57.38 # with some friend near me, I have 1 friend actually, so she 03.57.46 # so where do you get this calea 03.57.46 # but Im scared I hurt hur 03.58.04 # I really wouldnt to coke and stuff 03.58.07 # ever 03.58.26 Quit San (Connection timed out) 04.01.44 # lol 04.01.46 # i mean 04.01.52 # that colors and thing going wild 04.01.56 # definitely for me 04.01.59 # but would like it 04.02.12 # if my body was paralyzed for the time bieng 04.02.14 # otherwsie 04.02.26 # I know I'Ll hurt people 04.03.00 # I've never beaten anyone in my life, although I've been beaten quite a bit until my prep year, after that things flipped 04.03.14 # things might jsut click into place 04.03.18 Quit Sanitarium (Connection timed out) 04.03.47 Join Creatine [0] (n=Spiffy_V@c-67-164-200-164.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 04.04.15 # gnight yo you all 04.04.23 # I2'm gonig to sleep for an hour now 04.04.29 # because I feel like soooo 04.05.12 # night 04.05.17 # I definitely need to finish high school asap, my brain needs temporal change, cant adapt to high school lessons anymore, happy to be studying art in ocllege 04.05.22 Quit San||Away (Connection timed out) 04.18.55 Quit pinkutank () 04.23.40 # OK, next question - I am trying to build a Connect 4 plugin. What do I need to do to be able to run/compile my plugin? 04.27.34 Quit FingerSoup ("Some folks are wise, and some otherwise.") 04.36.49 Join ghostface24 [0] (i=ghostfac@221.194.204.68.cfl.res.rr.com) 04.45.31 Join andrewmel [0] (n=andrewme@203.52.130.136) 04.46.01 # hey 04.46.16 # hey 04.46.33 # bit quiter today 04.46.41 # yeah 04.46.47 # any bricks yet? 04.46.52 Join San [0] (n=Test@A-94-25.cust.iol.ie) 04.47.08 # haven't been willing 04.47.24 # why aren't you at misticriver? 04.47.28 # one sort of half report on mr, but not sure 04.47.46 # i am, but not on irc, i am meant to be writing students reports 04.47.46 # I mean the channel 04.47.53 # oh 04.48.28 # can't really concentrate in the channel 04.48.32 # I understand 04.49.57 # have you loaded rockbox yet gf? 04.50.08 # ghostface24* 04.50.13 # you are not my gf 04.50.16 # i dont think 04.50.23 # lol 04.50.37 # lol 04.50.37 # lol 04.52.10 # I know dt has, what about you XavierGr or CBM? 04.52.12 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=18e7f919@labb.contactor.se) 04.52.47 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.53.05 # I haven't. 04.53.12 # And Xavier isn't telling. ;) 04.53.20 # i've been running rockbox on an H140 for a long time now 04.53.26 # cos he was dropped ! 04.53.54 # lol 04.54.34 # do you run the rockboy games dt? 04.54.41 # and were they easy to find? 04.55.18 # i don't game so no 04.55.19 # what emulator would Rockbox come with in speaking of matters of the H320 04.55.25 # i use rockbox for music only 04.55.25 # I was always wondering 04.56.31 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@220-245-177-62-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 04.58.02 # can you guys tell me the misticserver? I am at work now and dont have it with e 05.00.51 # what do you mean Andrew? 05.01.02 # the name of the mistic chat server? 05.02.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.03.10 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp12-adsl-80.ath.forthnet.gr) 05.03.18 Join ModernExecutive [0] (n=bob@pool-141-152-145-94.norf.east.verizon.net) 05.03.30 # hi all 05.03.36 # hey 05.03.39 # hello. 05.03.41 # MR just die? 05.03.45 # whoa it's andrew. 05.03.49 # yep seems to have 05.04.01 # andrew is an MR god! 05.04.06 # *bow* 05.04.38 # as fate would have it, i was perusing the rb h3x0 thread 05.04.52 # ah, back now 05.06.47 # Andrew, it's one Zuh and it's name is "#misticriver" 05.06.58 # *it's on 05.07.24 # so zuh.net ? 05.07.54 # yed 05.07.55 # yes 05.08.07 # and the channel is #misticriver 05.08.25 # irc://irc.zuh.net/misticriver 05.09.20 Join ModExec [0] (n=bob@pool-141-152-145-94.norf.east.verizon.net) 05.09.50 # Greetings. :P 05.10.14 Quit JvD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.10.40 # howdy 05.17.51 Quit StrathAFK ("Client closed") 05.18.04 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 05.19.55 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.25.24 Quit ModernExecutive (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.29.56 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 05.32.19 # finally! 05.32.24 Nick ModExec is now known as ModernExecutive (n=bob@pool-141-152-145-94.norf.east.verizon.net) 05.34.54 # A-Mel in the house. 05.35.56 Join San [0] (n=Test@212.2.167.164) 05.35.57 Join San||Away [0] (n=Test@212.2.167.164) 05.35.57 # yes, somewhere 05.35.58 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@212.2.167.164) 05.36.22 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 05.36.22 # * ghostface24 is dazed by the amount of Sans there are 05.36.58 Quit RotAtoR ("CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2004/01/29)") 05.38.32 # hey, here now. finished one class of reports :) 05.38.41 # SE your poll is going well 05.38.49 # what time is it in the land of oz 05.38.59 # 3:38 pm 05.39.40 # on the 21st. thats weird. 05.39.57 # nope, you guys are just very slow :) 05.40.05 # you are going to europe soon? 05.40.11 # does it disturb you to think you are communicating with people in the past? 05.40.33 # heh, Andrew can see the future as well. 05.40.37 # Yes. I'll be going to London in january. I'll make a big post about it in coming weeks. 05.40.41 # no, you are in the present, you just have your clocks set differetnly to account for your position on the sphere we call home 05.40.56 # and it all hinges on an arbitrary line 05.40.58 # So, Andrew. Anything bad going to happen in the future? 05.41.15 # yep, the sun will expand and the earth will be swallowed. 05.41.19 # Hmm 05.41.22 # That doesn't sound fun 05.41.28 # so if a world leader is shot in the next 5 minutes, did it happen on Sunday or Monday 05.41.34 # which poll? 05.41.35 # Q If the dove is the bird of peace, what is the bird of true love? 05.41.49 # @SE depends on where it happened. 05.42.05 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 05.42.08 # Seagulls 05.42.10 # :P 05.42.15 # nope the swallow 05.42.22 # hahahha 05.42.27 # hah 05.42.46 # you are a dirty old man. 05.42.54 # lol 05.42.58 # nope i am a dirty young man 05.43.06 # young? youre like twice my age 05.43.12 # and if you think i am old that is just because you are too young to tell 05.45.45 # @SE you havent mentioned your sexual orientation poll, or told us what you voted? 05.45.58 # I'm straight. 05.46.12 # was there any question regarding this 05.46.26 # [23:38] SE your poll is going well 05.46.28 # Well how am I meant to tell? 05.46.36 # ever meet a gay republican? 05.46.40 # yes 05.46.48 # * SoulEata1 whacks ME 05.46.51 # There is a whole group that are gay Republicans 05.47.04 # yes i know, the Log Cabin group 05.47.07 # They call themselves "Gay Republicans" 05.47.13 # lol 05.47.16 # But theyre a very small minority 05.47.29 # i meant to ask you. 05.47.43 # the smiley face. is it for show, or does it represent your views? 05.47.53 # represents my views. I'm republican. 05.47.59 # And gay men as a demographic have a very high level of disposable income and education. isnt that one of the groups that the republicans chase? 05.48.32 # mel i was under the impression that people stereotyped republicans as having high education and high income. 05.48.44 # lol 05.49.06 # it's funny, we fall into 2 categories, depending on the mood of the liberal 05.49.25 # I don't know where you get this stuff really 05.49.32 # Republicans are either poor redneck white trash, or rich educated corporate CEOs. 05.49.46 # not after this past election, when people were clamoring that the 52% who voted for bush were the great unwashed... and that the holier-than-thou ereudite elitists were the ones who realized just what a mess america was getting into 05.50.09 # ... what SE said 05.50.36 # and it always cracks me up when people call Republicans rich money-hoarders and whatnot, and then I look at John Kerry. 05.50.46 # one word: hollywood. 05.50.49 # i bet the rich educated corporate ceos as a group have a higher than average level of homosexuals 05.51.05 # now is that closeted or open homosexuals mel 05.51.51 # what's this? we're talking about republicans and gays in the rockbox channel? 05.51.54 # you havent commented on the poll results yet. 05.52.09 # the results? I'm certainly not surprised there are more straights than gays. 05.52.18 # what poll? 05.52.31 # mistic river sexual orientation poll 05.52.37 # lol 05.52.41 # what about the number of gay/bi members? 05.52.48 # oh no. 05.52.57 # it's low, as I figured. 05.53.07 # I've never met a homosexual computer nerd before. 05.54.00 # this is so surreal 05.54.08 # my boss is gay, and his life partner is my other boss. 05.54.24 # relationships in the workplace. Not really a good idea. 05.54.25 # i can choose b/w politics/homosexuality in this channel or racist stereotyping in the MR channel. 05.54.28 # your poll has misticriver having 22% gay/bi members 05.54.32 # anyway... I can't seem to find this poll... 05.54.39 # would someone mind linking me? 05.54.40 # where do I go to talk about DAPs? 05.54.43 # Mistic Lounge 05.54.53 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32125 05.55.03 # thank you 05.55.05 # Any comment on 22% SE? 05.55.12 # mel, that means 78% are straight. Again no surprise. 05.55.23 # more than 1 in 5? 05.55.49 # one more for straight. 05.56.21 # * ModernExecutive chalks up another. 05.56.25 # mel you suggest that there could very well be around 15 gay people in this channel right now. I dont think so. 05.56.33 # * ModernExecutive then plays with his wedding band 05.57.26 # i didnt suggest that, did I 05.57.36 # judging from the fact that this is a firmware related channel, it could very well be true, desperate nerds. 05.57.42 # 1 in 5. And just about everyone here is an MR member. 05.57.58 # just because a man is desperate doesnt make him gay 05.58.00 # oh no run away!!! 06.00.09 # i joke i joke 06.00.10 # ha 06.00.11 # ha 06.00.41 Nick Creatine is now known as LedFloyd (n=Spiffy_V@c-67-164-200-164.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 06.00.47 # das is goot jah?! 06.08.48 # so wu-tang fan gfk? 06.09.18 # of course 06.09.49 # just checking. 06.09.56 # but I have my other genres too 06.10.03 # like 06.10.15 # rock 06.10.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK ghostface24 06.10.51 # * ghostface24 1,111 is listening to 14«»11 Led Zeppelin - Latter Days: The Best of Led Zeppelin, Volume Two - Achilles' Last Stand 14«»11 01:40/10:22 [14>>11<<<<<<<<<<<<11] 14«»11 301 kbps 11«« 06.10.53 # :) 06.12.24 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.12.30 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-186-181.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 06.14.04 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.26 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-186-181.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 06.17.54 # well im out. this is a bad distraction 06.17.57 Quit SoulEata1 ("CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2004/01/29)") 06.18.29 # IRC is the best distraction 06.18.34 # By far. 06.18.43 # By very far. 06.19.17 # very time wasting, and those bloody reports wont write themselves. 06.19.21 Quit San||Away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.19.36 # gtg, bbl 06.19.42 Quit andrewmel () 06.35.58 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 06.39.03 # later all 06.39.06 Quit ghostface24 ("nn") 06.42.19 Join Mxm`Pas`Bien [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 06.48.42 Join Cassandra- [0] (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 06.52.04 Quit ghode|afk (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.04 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.52.04 Quit ze (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.04 Quit Cassandra- (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.04 Quit Mxm`Pas`Bien (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.52.04 Quit Sanitarium 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(n=Test@213-202-130-5.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 07.51.34 Join San||Away [0] (n=Test@213-202-130-5.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 07.51.39 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-130-5.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 07.55.56 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A478D4.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.08.28 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.10.06 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-212-199.tpgi.com.au) 08.12.55 Quit Mxm`Pas`Bien (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.16.33 # hey guys 08.16.34 Join mashalla [0] (i=mashalla@p5498BDD9.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.17.01 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.17.01 # * ashridah watches the tumbleweed drift by 08.17.47 # @ what's going on 08.17.53 # ? 08.18.19 # it's slow 08.18.22 # not much. 08.18.27 # am i just gonna talk to myself then? 08.18.38 # it will be until the devs wake up, generally. 08.18.38 # lol 08.19.14 # yes or no: should i put rockbox on my h340? 08.19.22 # Zak1392: i'd wait 08.19.59 # i desperately want to do it but i'm scared i might brick my player. i've only had it for a few months 08.20.08 # i'd definently wait 08.20.18 # no point voiding the warranty now :) 08.20.45 # i already have though... 08.22.31 # have you done it? 08.23.22 # @ashridah 08.24.25 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 08.26.01 Quit San||Away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.26.37 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.26.59 Join San [0] (n=Test@A-78-173.cust.iol.ie) 08.27.37 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 08.28.45 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.31.14 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 08.31.36 # this is boring\ 08.31.49 # maybe your in a terrible timezone? 08.32.10 # maybe not many people want to chat? 08.32.20 # There are long patches of quiet in here. 08.32.22 # they are prolly asleep 08.33.19 # here it is only 6pm 08.33.37 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-212-199.tpgi.com.au) 08.34.53 # Many of them are in parts of Europe. 08.35.05 # By "them" I mean "the people I most often see speaking in here" 08.35.08 Join Coldtoast [0] (n=edan@ppp110-249.lns1.hba1.internode.on.net) 08.35.42 # indeed most times its active when its 2-3am here 08.35.48 # thought its 6:35pm now 08.35.51 # -t 08.35.54 # http://www.users.on.net/~edan/edan/dump_0001.jpg 08.35.56 # Zak1392: 9:35am here 08.36.54 # 1:36 am here. 08.37.22 # alright! im living in the future :p 08.37.24 # made the peak meters from the iriver fw the volume indicator for Rockbox 08.37.25 # heh 08.37.59 # Coldtoast: Hmm, are the peak meters actually working? :) 08.39.35 Join Membrillo [0] (n=3ce41a60@labb.contactor.se) 08.40.28 # I believe its early morn in America. How many people here are actually awake? 08.40.34 # yep.. not as peak meters tho :) 08.40.53 # as the volume level indicator 08.41.54 # Coldtoast: nice anyway :) probably the graphical peak meters could be made working with simple wps tags 08.42.08 # 'll have a go later 08.42.22 # cos I'd definitely rather have that as peak meters 08.42.46 # actually, won;'t take long to test now 08.42.58 # :) 08.44.44 # %?pm<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG|%xdH|%xdI|%xdJ> 08.44.49 # doesn't work. oh well 08.48.34 # it'd be incredibly great if it did tho 08.49.21 # what are you working on CT? 08.49.29 # just made a wps 08.49.43 # and it'd be really cool if lines such as%?pm<%xdA|%xdB|%xdC|%xdD|%xdE|%xdF|%xdG|%xdH|%xdI|%xdJ> 08.49.47 # worked 08.49.56 # so you could have custom peak meters 08.50.01 # but it doesn't 08.51.20 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=icechat5@pd95b7c08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 08.51.40 # are daily builds being compiled for the H3xx now? 08.53.01 # hahah i wonder if all the h1x0 users were so impatient when that version of rb was at this stage :p 08.54.12 # yes they were 08.54.13 # (: 08.54.17 # haha 08.54.38 # i cant blame them really, im one too 08.54.44 # * Zak1392 slaps cannard around a bit with a large trout 08.55.32 # * Zak1392 slaps cannard around a bit with a large trout 08.55.34 # i wasnt refering to you zak, just ive seen lots of webguests and people coming in here "is it done?" 08.55.46 # and ive only been here a few days 08.55.50 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@A-78-173.cust.iol.ie) 08.55.51 Join San||Studying [0] (n=Test@A-78-173.cust.iol.ie) 08.55.53 # just trying out the new trout ;) 08.58.05 Quit _FireFly_ ("Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.") 08.58.14 # * Zak1392 slaps cannard around a bit with a large trout 08.58.19 # hehehe ;) 08.58.42 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=icechat5@pd95b7c08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 08.58.51 # heh 08.59.25 # does booting up an H3xx with the hdd removed reset all settings? 08.59.27 # i wish i had an h100, id have rockbox! 08.59.40 # i have one :P 08.59.42 # i had another too 09.00.06 # give it here then! lol 09.00.11 # no :P 09.00.15 # i like my H140 too much 09.00.17 # ^^^^ anyone? 09.00.33 # stupid iriver dists not keeping h140's in stock when mine was busted! 09.02.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.03.18 # Zak1392: in order for me to flash a H3x0, i'd have to OWN a H3x0 unit :) 09.03.43 # send him yours zak! 09.03.45 # :p 09.03.48 # Membrillo: a H3xx with the hdd removed? with iriver's firmware or rockbox? 09.04.04 # okay 09.04.06 # jk 09.05.27 # ashridah: well Irivers firmware. Im just thinking for when you have database turned on and a faulty database and it refuses to boot up. Could removing the hdd reset settings (eg. database option back to off) so you can reboot and delete the dodgy database file 09.05.53 # Membrillo: i doubt that 09.06.08 # the settings are stored on the internal eeprom 09.06.16 # i agree with Slasheri 09.06.21 # <_FireFly_> Membrillo this wouldn't work because the rockbox firmware is also on the hdd only the bootloader is in flash 09.06.26 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd65f76@labb.contactor.se) 09.06.44 # But i think you could fix the problem either by connecting hdd to pc or shorting the eeprom data lines while booting your unit causing hopefully eeprom checksum error 09.06.51 # the eeprom is unlikely to be cleared, iirc, the firmware tends to just stop at an error saying 'check HDD' or something. at least, on the H1xx it does, i don't imagine the 3xx is any different. 09.07.02 # or soldering out the eeprom chip (it's easy to solder) 09.07.59 # i'd just go out and buy a laptop hdd to normal ide converter and then power it on with that and delete the db :) 09.08.19 # (in a normal pc i mean) 09.08.43 # laptop hdd converter wouldn't work. You need a 1.8" -> 3.5" converter 09.08.55 # laptop drives are something like 2.5" 09.09.03 Nick Vlad0man is now known as Vladoman (n=Vladoman@p54A7C55E.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.09.14 # aah 09.09.16 # or 1.8" usb thing 09.09.17 # * ashridah stands corrected 09.09.20 # :) 09.09.32 # hehe...i just recorded 15 hours of near silence. woot! 09.10.21 # hmmm ok. Ill see if i can find a 1.8" to IDE somewhere 09.10.39 # then put the rockbox bootloader on :P 09.10.44 # as a backup 09.10.45 # i take it the unit flakes out before giving you a chance to go to usb mode? 09.11.03 # yep exactly. stupid iriver firmware 09.11.09 # ick 09.11.24 # * ashridah is glad he never tried to use the db on the H140 he has 09.11.40 # probable an endless loop while scanning the DB 09.11.56 # so it just keeps reading the db? 09.11.59 # Membrillo: you can also try booting without hdd connected and then at correct point attach the hdd in 09.12.01 # doesn't hang outright? 09.12.06 # misticriver had some guides for that 09.12.08 # yeah. It just stays on the Loading screen 09.12.16 # bugger 09.12.27 # Slasheri: that sounds suitably evil :) 09.12.35 # hehe :D 09.12.46 # it might work and player enters then into usb mode 09.12.56 # yeah. and i cant RMA it because ive changed the background image of the loading screen :P 09.20.42 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@194-237-150-170.customer.telia.com) 09.20.49 # zagor 09.23.36 # hi 09.23.59 # Membrillo: do you have a friend with h300? 09.24.18 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.24.30 # B4gder 09.24.41 # 'ello 09.25.45 # Coldtoast: Nope, im the only person I know that owns something other than an iPod 09.26.10 # _\\// 09.27.33 # bummer 09.27.44 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.27.48 # Coldtoast: whys that? 09.28.05 # you could have put the HDD from yours into theirs and deleted the db 09.30.17 # but the DB is stored on the Hdd.... 09.30.42 # ok? 09.30.42 # it just means their river wouldnt boot 09.30.49 # no 09.30.55 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.75) 09.31.05 # cos they patch the fw with the rockbox bootloader, see? 09.31.39 # thats a good point. Another option would be to switch harddrives then disable the DB option on mine meaning the DB wouldnt even be loaded 09.31.40 # then you put your HDD in theirs and then they can either delete the db or format the dreive 09.31.42 # drive 09.31.48 # ^^^ or that would work 09.32.20 # either way, you're out of luck huh? 09.32.46 # ill see what i can do though. ill work something out 09.32.56 # hi 09.33.06 # wonder if you could maybe corrupt the data on teh HDD or something 09.33.12 # probably just find a 1.8" to IDE adapter 09.33.46 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.33.50 # http://cgi.ebay.com.au/iPod-1-8-Hard-drive-to-3-5-desktop-IDE-Adapter_W0QQitemZ5830688720QQcategoryZ48680QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 09.33.52 # there you go 09.33.56 # $0.99 09.33.59 # Wait a second 09.34.21 # If it's an 1.8" type HD, couldn't you also put it in a RB flashed H120/140, or even possibly an iPod to reformat it? 09.34.31 # you're looking at $9 09.34.46 # he has no access to ANY other iriver tho 09.34.48 # I thought they're all using the MKXXXXGAL or GAH HDs? 09.34.51 # membrillo: where in oz r u? 09.35.08 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah but no one i know has an iriver or willing to open their pod 09.35.16 # Ah, not willing to open their iPod 09.35.17 # Bah 09.35.19 # No sense of adventure 09.35.27 # if you're in Launceston you can come to my place :) 09.35.27 # http://www.span.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=4267 09.35.46 # lol 09.35.54 # I'm in... *shudders* Texas. 09.35.56 # why not buy the one I pointed out? 09.35.58 # that ones 24 pounds 09.36.06 # yeah i know 09.36.11 # i will 09.36.15 # Im in Newcastle NSW 09.36.38 # Silverchair territory eh? 09.36.42 # Just a little ways off. 09.36.43 # hehe...so i can't help u out either (melbourne) 09.36.43 # yep 09.36.52 # my friend lives next door to Daniel Johns 09.37.21 # you should go round there, punch Daniel in teh head and shove Subway down his throat 09.37.36 # tell him to eat something ffs 09.37.52 # haha ok sure 09.38.01 # ct: where in launie r u? 09.38.02 # Who is Daniel Johns? 09.38.07 # Mowbray 09.38.08 # his house is huuuuuuge 09.38.36 # his and whoever his wife is.... Imbruligia? 09.39.12 # Paul_The_Nerd: A singer from an awesome Australian Band 09.39.17 # Aah 09.39.45 # well, "awesome" is such an objective thing 09.39.51 # silverchair 09.40.02 # right? 09.40.06 # yup 09.40.12 # haha I just like them because theyre local 09.40.13 # now Dissociatives 09.40.23 Quit San||Studying (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.40.26 # i like dissociatives more methinks 09.40.46 # ct: that's right near newnham isn't it? 09.40.55 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.41.18 # paul mac grates on me a bit 09.41.23 # it is 09.41.37 # (got a bunch of mates there) 09.41.39 Quit Zak1392 () 09.41.53 # *sigh* the australian idol final is on. Shannol knoll takes it up the ass 09.41.58 # Newnham is about, oh, 3 mins drive from here 09.42.04 # Shannon Noll i think actually 09.42.22 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.42.41 # I went and saw Cat Empire on saturday. Anyone like them? Theyre freaking amazing live 09.42.51 # hey Zak1392 09.42.52 # they're ok live 09.42.56 # I've seen them twice 09.43.03 # membrillo: yeah..love 'em live. not a fan of their albums. 09.43.05 # i think theyre awesome live 09.43.06 # you know the singer who also plays trumpet? 09.43.16 # harry 09.43.16 # know who his Aunt is? 09.43.18 # yep, im friends with him 09.43.45 # i dont know who his aunt is lol 09.43.55 # the chick who played Kylie Mole 09.44.12 # who? 09.44.33 # that'd be enough to put you off chewing gum as akid... 09.44.42 # Mary-Anne Fahey 09.44.56 # at least they put on a show tho 09.45.03 # hahaha 09.45.04 # and their concerts are kinda long 09.45.11 # are you going to Homebake CT? 09.45.11 # I've worked at 2 of them 09.45.30 # oh well, i think its worth it. 09.45.44 # I've also worked at Machine Gun Fellatio, Hilltop Hoodz, COG (AWESOME AWESOME band!!!) 09.45.55 # yeah Cog rock 09.45.57 # hehe...my shuffle just started playing the cat empire covering Dumb Things by paul kelly. 09.45.58 # Butterfinger 09.46.10 # I was going to go see them play with Shihad here in Newcastle 09.46.12 # CT: going to BDO then? 09.46.14 # but i didnt :P 09.46.17 # hell no :) 09.46.36 # whatboutbob: Live at the Wireless? 09.46.43 Join Amar [0] (n=502c4c25@labb.contactor.se) 09.46.59 # whatboutbob: You been to www.thecatempire.info? 09.47.07 # nah...taped from one of their melbourne shows. 09.47.11 # I'll be workign anyway. We had a staff meeting last ngith and the main man told us if anybody decides to take time off so we can go to the Falls Festival, we may as well resign now 09.47.17 # yeah...i lurk around .info 09.47.29 # damn. harsh. 09.47.30 # ah ok 09.47.36 # nah. not really harsh 09.47.49 # it's fair enough really 09.47.58 # whaddaya do? 09.48.05 # Is no there H300 developer here? 09.48.07 # Security 09.48.11 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 09.48.16 # ah...fair enough. 09.48.17 # whatboutbob: Membrillos my username there. i havent been there for a while, but im like 6th top poster i think 09.48.18 # nightclub security 09.48.34 # which club? not the saloon? :) 09.48.39 # Jungti1234: Rockbox is generic, we are Rockbox developers not H300 developers 09.48.48 # * Coldtoast blinks 09.48.53 # yep. Saloon 09.49.02 # mwaha. tell Ronnie he's a prick. 09.49.18 # he's not had anythign to do with the Saloon for about a year and a half 09.49.27 # we're in-house now 09.49.32 # Istarted with Ronnie tho 09.49.40 # damn...i've gotta catch up with him. its been a while. 09.49.57 # Anyone going to see Jamiroquai this Australian tour? or the Chili Peppers next year? 09.49.57 # well, if you're ever here again, he runs The Metz now 09.49.57 # he's running that cafe-thing now...metro or whatever...forgot. 09.50.02 # how long since you've been here? 09.50.05 # Did rockbox firmware update? 09.50.07 # metz...thatsit. 09.50.38 # Jungti1234: rockbox is updated all the time 09.50.42 # and if I wanna tell him he's a prick, I probably have to line up 09.50.43 # heh 09.50.46 # err...i was down there for a wedding beginning of last year... 09.50.56 # when did you start at the saloon? 09.50.58 # aha.. 09.51.11 # did you know the Lounge Bar closed? 09.51.16 # 2.5years 09.51.39 # yeah. so did you work with li'l Nick? 09.51.44 # Can I know what patch became? 09.51.51 # maybe 09.52.00 # when you were here, did you go to the Saloon at all? 09.52.06 # on either Wed, Fri or Sat? 09.52.28 # yeah...think we popped in on the Fri on the crawl home. 09.52.32 Quit Sando ("/") 09.52.40 # would probably have seen you then 09.52.52 # hehe...small world. 09.53.00 # indeed. heh 09.53.11 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 09.53.11 # Anyone from melbourne here? anyone go to Bennets Lane jazz club? 09.53.36 # membrillo: yup. was there last to see TCE actually. :) 09.54.01 # do you know a guy called Cameron Bonde? 09.54.17 # nope. don't go there that often. 09.54.33 # nice club tho. no smoking rocks. 09.54.40 # he releases music under the name Vectrex 09.54.47 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s175a.studby.ntnu.no) 09.54.53 # whatboutbob: damn, i wish i was at that gig. Apparently harry got smashed and spat all over the crowd. had a lot of friends there 09.55.13 # ct: not ringin any bells. 09.55.35 # membrillo: hehe...yeah...he was pretty pished for 1 of 'em...i think i've still got the tape here somewhere... 09.55.47 # my friends brother just got asked to record Shannon nolls new album but rejected it because he thought it would harm his reputation lol 09.56.00 # mwaha 09.56.09 # Who is Hristo Kovachev? 09.56.49 # whatboutbob: you have a recording of that gig??? 09.57.03 # whatboutbob: can you somehow hook me up with it? 09.57.55 # pm me on the forums. 09.58.08 # rb 09.58.28 # which forums where 09.59.07 # rockbox forum 09.59.19 # im not a member currently but i can soon become one 10.00.06 # can i pm in here? if so, how (has been an age since i used irc) 10.00.44 # just activating my account 10.02.18 # PM me. Username = Membrillo 10.06.27 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 10.06.59 # Can't H300 play music yet? 10.08.12 # it can if you use origonal FW 10.08.21 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 10.08.21 # ;) 10.08.41 # Continuation appliance stops. 10.08.54 # So slow. 10.09.41 # Jungti1234: when Rockbox works fine on the h300, we'll let you know 10.10.07 # :D hehe.. 10.10.15 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.10.22 # WPS is small. 10.10.34 # I will make. 10.10.53 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC") 10.11.04 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd65f76@labb.contactor.se) 10.13.01 Join baobab68 [0] (n=ca3421eb@labb.contactor.se) 10.13.26 # If pause, appliance pauses. 10.16.40 # Euak! This is so slow. 10.17.23 # LCD does not off. 10.17.44 # Instead, appliance stops. 10.24.14 # Jungti1234: these are all known problems 10.24.25 # hmm 10.24.37 # Jungti1234: rockbox cannot be used on H300 yet 10.24.37 # So. 10.24.38 # Jungti1234: when Rockbox works fine on the h300, we'll let you know 10.25.01 # ok ok 10.25.02 # Jungti1234: you should change back to iriver firmware for working H300 10.25.19 # ok 10.25.24 # (unless you plan to write some code to help develop it so it does work) 10.25.37 # It knows me. 10.27.19 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC") 10.28.05 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd65f76@labb.contactor.se) 10.29.12 # Is clock possible? 10.35.40 Part baobab68 10.35.51 Quit mashalla (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.38.44 Quit Membrillo ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.39.27 # * B4gder posts in the Toshiba-Gigabeat-Modifying google group 10.40.56 # B4gder: I received confirmation from Toshiba yesterday that they would send me the linux source, but it could take up to a month. 10.41.03 # ! 10.41.20 # They needed my address so they can send it by mail :) 10.41.48 # I trust it will documented in Japanese... 10.42.03 # at least you can redistribute then 10.42.53 # What is a Gigabeat? A linux based player? 10.43.01 # yes, from Toshiba 10.43.12 # quite new 10.43.48 # From what I have read the current firmware sucks.. so that is good :) 10.44.08 # so nothing new on that front then 10.44.14 # the gigabeat.com website makes me dizzy 10.44.28 # indeed 10.44.47 # It's very ... urban. 10.44.56 # you can only put music on it with a special program or windows media player 10.45.17 # No wonder you want the source. 10.45.22 # markun: one can hope that is a SW restriction 10.45.51 # B4gder: I'm pretty sure it is. You can also access the player with ums, but the files are encrypted.. 10.45.59 # ah, ok 10.46.10 # a bit similar like the ipods then 10.46.32 # markun: At where does H100 Korean translation download? 10.46.32 # markun: are you going to work on a rbx port for the gigabeat? 10.46.50 # the dock uses the 1.1 usb from the samsung chip, the normal 2.0 port is from the usb ata bridge 10.47.02 # Ah, the UK site is slightly less nauseating. 10.47.11 # also I read somewhere that it can use the dock as a usb host port. 10.47.29 # ghode|afk: I would like to 10.47.35 # I believe the chip can work as a host 10.47.38 # but I don't own a player yet 10.48.28 # I also mailed Samsung for the differences between the S3C2440A and S3C2440AL-30 10.48.56 # i remember when it was first announced it seemed like a great player, and then i read the software features then cried :/ 10.49.17 # it has a mighty powerful cpu 10.49.24 # and way hires lcd 10.49.51 # the gigabeat? 10.49.53 # You would expect such features in a video player.. 10.49.59 # ghode|afk: yes 10.50.10 # one of the best looking dap screens i've seen 10.50.10 # That's very odd. It appears to have 2 USB ports on the bottom (1 is non-standard). 10.50.32 # It's certainly reaching iPod levels of pretty. 10.50.43 # btw, is the tagdatabase that is currently available for rockbox, a ram based solution like dircache or disk only database? 10.50.52 # Cassandra: The big port is the dock connector, but the internal USB is also connected to that. 10.51.29 # * amiconn blames TiMiD for breaking early USB on archos :/ 10.51.49 # screen_access_init() happens way too late, in browse_root() 10.52.17 # Slasheri: disk based, it needs to work on Archos... 10.52.20 # So move it earlier then? 10.52.45 # B4gder: I think we identified all the major components of the gigabeat, or am I wrong? 10.53.01 # B4gder, it'd be nice if it worked at all. It's still very flaky. 10.53.16 # it is 10.53.21 # but no one works on it 10.53.32 # and hardly ever did 10.53.40 # B4gder: ah, ok. I just though if it could be possible to combine it with little effort with dircache. And metadata-functions could be used to update the database on the players itself too. Or maybe it would be simpler to write a player based solution from scracth? 10.53.45 # It has to go in main.c, early enough for usb_screen() to work 10.54.19 # I'll check that tonight 10.54.37 # (got a bug report today by my most reliable tester) :) 10.55.58 # markun: that's possible, I only have an overview of the details 10.58.13 Join Mindship [0] (n=3eddfa48@labb.contactor.se) 10.58.44 # hey 10.59.09 # Hmm, if nobody minds, i will remote the wma format from supported file formats now 10.59.13 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 10.59.30 # Can't H300 mark color bmp yet? 10.59.30 # I think it is there to support playlists with wma in them 10.59.53 # I'm at school, pondering a bit about request 955078 10.59.57 # B4gder: ah, ok :/ 11.00.25 # When you move the constants from apps/recorder/icons.c to a file 11.00.26 # then the playback engine has to be fixed not to "hang" with wma files 11.00.32 # yes 11.00.38 # this file may not reside on the HDD 11.01.06 # so, it should reside where the compiled icons.c is stored 11.01.10 # where is this? 11.01.12 # Slasheri: The playback engine needs to be fixed not to hang with any file, be it supported format or not 11.01.15 # and how to get there? 11.01.20 # Slasheri: Maybe you could fix it by using the return value from get_metadata() ? This could fix the m4a problem as well. 11.01.39 # The principle is that get_metadata() returns false if the file is unplayable. 11.01.44 # amiconn: yes, true 11.01.52 # get_metadata() should also identify the codec needed for the file. 11.01.59 # linuxstb: Hmm, sounds possible to do 11.02.04 # Apart from that, I encountered the 'follow playlist' bug again today :( 11.02.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.02.29 # amiconn: what kind of bug is that? 11.03.35 # 'Follow playlist' doesn't work when just resuming after poweron, and the playlist ends normally (not stopped by hand) 11.04.20 # linuxstb: Hmm, it seems playback engine should already skip files if get_metadata returns false 11.04.38 # interesting 11.04.46 # got to go (class)! 11.05.04 # Slasheri: But I seem to remember the return code not always being checked. 11.05.12 Quit Mindship ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.05.33 # linuxstb: it looks that get_metadata has true as the default value.. 11.05.38 # probably that should be changed to false 11.05.47 # then it should work 11.06.02 # Slasheri: I see you've already changed playback.c to only call get_metadata() once. There used to be more calls. 11.06.20 # ah :) 11.06.28 # those gones are long gone 11.06.31 # +calls 11.07.07 # Slasheri: Yes, get_metadata() doesn't do what I said it does :) 11.07.16 # Slasheri, linuxstb: get_metadata() could return one of the AFMT_* values to indicate the needed codec 11.07.16 # so with unsupported file format it should return false 11.07.18 # hehe :) 11.07.45 # amiconn: Hmm, good idea in fact :) 11.07.47 # Slasheri: Or it can just change the audio format in the track_info struct. 11.07.57 # s/Slasheri/amiconn/ 11.07.57 # It's very useful that there is also AFMT_UNKNOWN ... 11.09.15 # My speech is not interested not at all. 11.09.22 # For the WMA problem, we could just add an AFMT_WMA to the switch and always return false. 11.09.46 # I think I need to look at get_metadata() in more detail to make sure it does what I intended. 11.10.22 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 11.10.33 Join webguest09 [0] (n=522e39b4@labb.contactor.se) 11.13.06 Join San||Studying [0] (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 11.13.46 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD6941.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.14.21 # you guys are really active, eh? 11.15.15 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.49 # hello? 11.21.03 # linuxstb: i found also a little bug in playback.c preventing skipping when codec loading fails. Fixing it. And if you fix the metadata.c, then everything should work fine :) 11.21.47 # what do you mean by everything? 11.22.02 Join hshah_ [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 11.23.16 # the whole universe will then be fine and world peace is here! 11.24.20 # :) 11.25.17 # hmm... 11.26.10 # oh, okay then. that's pretty cool. how long should it take? 11.26.37 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 11.26.37 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD6941.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.27.15 # does that really matter? heh 11.27.32 # yeah 11.27.35 # Slasheri: Nah, not everything. There are still numerous problems with voice UI on iriver... 11.27.58 # oh wait! you guys don't estimate release dates do you? 11.28.13 # we do when you pay us for it 11.28.31 # I'll do it for 200USD/date 11.28.45 Quit webguest09 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.28.49 Join webguest09 [0] (n=522e39b4@labb.contactor.se) 11.28.53 # and then you'll get the estimate with a silver frame 11.29.36 # okay 11.29.37 # lol 11.30.53 # it'd be cool if you could set z-indexed for things in teh WPS 11.31.09 # err. z-indexes 11.32.52 # *IMPROPER GRAMMAR ALERT!* 11.32.57 # lol 11.33.05 # anyone know about voip phones and linux? 11.33.13 # or howto extract data from elf files? 11.33.47 # short answer: nope. long answer: no and never will. 11.34.17 # I I was aligning stuff and noticed you get flickering where %s was scolling over an image and it'd have to keep redrawing (I suppose cos the image and text were trying to share the same zindex so they alternate) 11.35.10 # probably a tad tricky to impelent tho I suppose 11.38.00 # i could do it 11.38.13 # rightio 11.38.47 # actually i can't 11.38.54 # im pretty stupid 11.39.05 # i've been having brain farts all day 11.39.06 # ah damn. I had my hopes up there for a second too 11.39.21 Quit hshah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.39.36 Quit ^BeN^ ("MULEz SCRIPT: God loves you, I hate you.") 11.39.37 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 11.39.54 # B4gder, TexNoel in the wiki is a spammer 11.40.49 # how can you tell? 11.40.51 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@CBL217-132-130-72.bb.netvision.net.il) 11.40.54 # Or so it seems, I noticed yesterday that his and a lot of other profiles and also DocsIndex were filled with spam links. 11.41.18 # aha 11.41.27 # Becuase TexNoel was the one that had added spam links to all of those pages 11.42.18 # I thought I just get rid of the links as soon as possible, and rather tell you about it when you were around. 11.42.31 # I've deleted him now 11.42.39 # nice 11.42.42 # I'll add an IP-level block if he returns 11.43.23 # Foreigner's concept is different from Korean. 11.43.25 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye~ - http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 11.43.38 # I'm no foreigner! 11.43.40 # cool, seems like the block on HanSolo works. 11.44.02 # yes, I think so 11.45.27 # I wonder if the notorious wiki spammers get rich doing it. It sure is annoying anyway. 11.45.48 # it's become the thing to do lately 11.45.52 # tucoz: very few spammers get rich. the rest just think they will. 11.46.07 # ppl posting spam on blogs as well 11.47.41 # ah, that is true. And also guesbooks. Some guestbooks are totally unusable. I remember once having a guestbook on a page. If one clicked to enter the guestbook, you were immediatley redirected to som rather nasy porn-site. Quite annoying. 11.47.54 # *nasty 11.48.03 # good times 11.51.39 # I just read a post in the mailing list regarding the %mp tag. It seems that the stop function is useless (as stop moves you back to the file-browser) 11.52.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2005-11/0261.shtml 11.54.34 # I think there are some confusion in the h300 crowd when a player is a brick and not. 12.00.40 Join jelle-k [0] (n=jelle-k@jelle-online.xs4all.nl) 12.01.10 # that's true (about %mp) 12.03.27 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 12.07.38 Join yingi [0] (n=robtooke@210-84-11-101.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.08.28 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@83.110.207.78) 12.08.41 # does anyone know when there will be a playstation three emulator on rockbox? 12.09.55 # you're kidding, right? 12.10.01 # actually, I'm having trouble getting the UI simulator to work under ubuntu ... 12.10.16 # of course! 12.10.33 # * Zak1392 slaps yingi around a bit with a large trout 12.10.55 # is it only windows? 12.11.13 # what? 12.11.40 # sorry .. stupid question ... are there any packages i have to install to get the ui simulator to work? 12.12.23 # (i can compile normal) 12.13.46 # is there any known breakage in recent builds? 12.13.55 # my iriver doesn't boot rockbox anymore 12.13.59 # but the iriver firmware 12.14.12 # (h120) 12.14.33 # tried copying the files again? 12.15.00 # Coldtoast: not yet, I am at work ;) 12.15.16 # ok. I update mine at least once a day and it's working fine 12.15.43 # thx. I updated this morning (~5 hours ago, most recent build) 12.15.45 # will try again 12.15.58 # I just wanted to make sure I didn't miss sth. 12.15.59 # I update with the bleeding edge builds 12.16.12 # * solexx_ too 12.16.40 # ok. I've not had any failures tho. sounds like corruption from your end I reckon 12.17.04 Quit yingi () 12.18.09 # Nevermind. Works again. Whatever... 12.18.16 # heh 12.18.30 # damn, iriver fw is so ugly 12.18.38 # it sure is 12.18.44 # it didn't even show playlists 12.21.08 # the only thing I miss from the iriver fw is SRS 12.21.35 # I prefer not to use any equalizer settings 12.21.48 # depends on your earphones and taste 12.22.35 # I bet there are some earphones where you woudn't mind some EQ 12.22.49 # ACK 12.24.32 # I don't see anything wrong with EQ at all myself. some ppl say stupid crap like "You hear what the artist intended only when the EQ is flat" but the prob with that stateent is that's really only the sace is you listen to it with the equipment the artist was using (or something equivalent) 12.24.47 # sace=case 12.25.15 # and I bet the % of ppl with reference quality equipment isn't THAT huge 12.25.23 # true 12.25.46 # I use these $20 Philips earphones that need a bit of extra bass 12.25.55 # plus I like bass heavy stuff :) 12.26.12 # I just don't start fiddling with the eq because then I never find a good setting for everything I hear 12.26.23 # yeah 12.26.36 # I am using Koss Plugs 12.26.43 # but I don't like them very much 12.27.03 # I was thinkign of buying some ER6s 12.27.29 # if only they were more affordable... 12.27.31 # but then I thought "I'm not spending $200AUD on a pair of earphones that'll get wrecked at the gym or at work" 12.27.42 # ACK 12.27.51 # i can recommend sennheiser px100! 12.28.01 # they are definitely worth the money 12.28.19 # I prefer in-canal earphones 12.28.26 # yeah 12.28.35 # I'm thinking of adding a new feature and am wondering if anyone would be strongly against adding it to CVS. I want to be able to create (empty) files of the form "General Settings.menu", "Sound Settings.menu" etc which will cause Rockbox to call the appropriate menu function when selected from the filesystem. 12.28.43 # the phones from sony are quite good, imo 12.28.50 # these Philips earphones. I discovered how to mod them to be kinda in-ear 12.28.59 # linuxstb, nationalisation nightmare. 12.29.20 # I'm planning on implementing this by using the filename to search the language strings to find the appropriate language id for that string. I'll then call the menu based on the language id. 12.29.27 Quit DMJC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.29.47 # they have a rubber ring around the outer part of the housing (under the baffles). If you remove the ring, they push into your ear slightly 12.29.55 # So the ".menu" filenames will have to match the standard name for that menu item in the currently selected language. 12.29.58 # Even so, you'd need a huge lookup table, and it really doesn't gain you very much. 12.30.08 # Seems kind of superfluous really. 12.30.09 # linuxstb: this won't work very well with players which are used in several languages 12.30.13 # We already have the lookup table - the language system. 12.30.39 # You need a mapping string -> function. That's not really done. 12.30.44 # solexx_: In which case, such users can create .menu files in different languages. 12.30.48 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-212-199.tpgi.com.au) 12.31.13 # Cassandra: That's trivial. It may not be efficient (searching through all the strings), but it will still be fast enough for my needs. 12.31.26 # I don't have any huge objections. I'm just a bit concerned that Rockbox is getting rather full of unnecessary features. 12.31.49 # It's more the memory it will use that concerns me. 12.31.52 Quit dwihno (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.31.54 # I'm not saying this will replace the menu, but will give users the ability to (for example) put some frequently accessed menu items in their directory structure for quick access. 12.31.55 # Particularly on Archos. 12.32.14 # I think the code will be very small. But I understand your point. 12.32.51 # I guess it depends if others apart from me would use such a feature. 12.33.22 # I can see the point, it's effectively a menu customisation system, which is something some people want. I'm just not sure it's worth the cost. 12.34.00 # I think the cost will be tiny, but I'll implement it and find out. 12.34.31 # *nod* 12.34.44 # It's just a simple loop to search the language strings, and then a switch based on the language id that loop finds. 12.35.03 # I really need to think about seperating "advanced functionality" of Rockbox from core features. 12.35.16 # Are you talking about the documentation? 12.35.32 # It's currently very good at being all singing and dancing, but it's a bit in danger of becoming the Microsoft Word of MP3 players. 12.35.38 # Partially, yes. 12.35.53 # If it gets "clippy" I'm going to commit suicide 12.36.11 # Although I believe that Rockbox can be altered to separate the two more clearly. 12.36.33 # "I see you are trying to create a playlist. Would you like me to help?" 12.36.38 # "It looks like you are going to play an .mp3" "Would you like me to a) scramble your flash, b) play it backwards, c) bluescreen the player" 12.36.42 # I'd actually like to introduce a "simple settings" mode where a lot of the complexity is hidden from the user. 12.37.16 # Now with H3xx support, we can have real blue screens. Now that's progress for you. 12.37.16 # I think that is a grand idea 12.37.26 # But how would the user discover the advanced features? I think the most important aim is to try and make the advanced features more accessible without the need to read a manual. 12.37.28 # I want mine colour configurable thanks 12.37.32 # Cassandra: i thought about that, would be useful 12.38.04 # Well, by turning the "simple settings" option off. 12.38.44 Join baobab68 [0] (n=ca3421eb@labb.contactor.se) 12.39.12 # So certain features would be disabled in "simple settings" ? 12.39.57 # i just put rockbox on my h340!!! 12.40.03 # works like a charm! 12.41.01 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.41.22 # Well, the ability to change certain settings. 12.41.32 # Zak: Int'l H340? 12.41.33 # I'm not sure about actually removing features. 12.41.42 # yep, int 12.42.13 # zak: you're sure now? your answer will help me decide whether to try on my h320 12.42.36 # I'm sure that the complexity of Rockbox puts some people off. 12.42.43 # I agree about settings menus - they need re-organising and more obscure features hidden in an "Advanced options" menu or something. 12.42.49 # I mean, think about it, how many female users do we have? 12.42.52 # I suspect just hiding a number of the configration options and leaving them default in Simple Mode would be a neat idea 12.42.56 # Well, there's me, and ... erm. 12.43.34 # cassandra - are you saying female users can't *handle* complexity, or just don't like it? 12.43.37 # it works fine on int versions 12.43.59 # One thing I would like is to make all the options available via menus. We could still have the obscure key combinations, but a consistent context menu giving all possible actions would make Rockbox easier to use. 12.44.31 # A lot of them are turned off by the kind of extreme tweakability Rockbox offers. 12.44.33 # do you think the complexity does put ppl off tho? after all, they've had to patch the iriver firmware, flash the new firmware and then download and install Rockbox itself 12.45.11 # my sister is like that: "what do you mean OGG is a better file format? can't I just use ITunes" 12.45.14 # you dont exactly _have_ to tweak it. i more or less use rockbox as is 12.45.16 # I'd have thought anybody able to handle that level of complexity would be ok with the number of settings 12.45.32 # The thing is, it *looks* scary. 12.45.43 # It's all about perception. 12.45.55 # zak: and so with the RB bootloader installed are you definitely able to get to and from iriver firmware with no problems? 12.46.09 # I think most ppl would describe it as "deep" rather than "complex" 12.46.21 # by holding rec and pressing play, or whatever the combination is? 12.46.37 # Cassandra: Do you think making the main menu the first thing people see would help? 12.46.43 # bao: yep 12.46.51 # (and obviously adding a Browse Files option) 12.47.05 # I'm not sure. Possibly. 12.47.14 # zak: so what the hell is happening to all those ppl who claim that they can't flip between firmwares? 12.47.27 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-212-158-193-198.bulldogdsl.com) 12.47.51 # I'd also like to see a graphical WPS as a default. Again, plain text is psychologically intimidating to some people. 12.48.12 # Cassandra: think i'm with you on that one 12.48.16 # And possibly a "friendlier" (i.e. larger) default font. 12.48.21 # my 2c - the iriver and the ipod both come up with a "WPS" as the main screen. ready for you to press play to continue from where you left off... 12.48.39 # I must admit the default h3xx wps looks all touchy/feely and gives you the warm fuzzies.. the default RockBox text wps just looks agricultural 12.49.03 # Cassandra : indeed 12.49.12 # I've said it before and I'll say it again 12.49.13 # "agricultural"???!! 12.49.19 # engineer 2 or iAmp 1.5 12.49.21 # One problem I think is that there is a tendency for new features to be disabled by default. So good features like the dircache are not used. 12.49.21 Join leftright [0] (n=414a01bc@labb.contactor.se) 12.49.33 # both very popular, nice looking and practical 12.49.39 # Well, I'm kind of partial to "boxes" myself. ;) 12.49.45 # yes, agricultural.. like the old Wyse Terminals of yore.. 12.49.49 # Cassandra: We have female users, and I think they can handle the "complexity" 12.49.57 # Plus it has Rockbox branding. 12.49.58 # Slasheri: you here ? 12.50.09 # amiconn, I think they can too. 12.50.11 # leftright: hi, yes :) 12.50.12 # got a bug for you :-) 12.50.14 # zak: going to answer my query? 12.50.17 # :D 12.50.19 # linuxstb: Regading configurable menus, that was already discussed multiple times 12.50.20 # It's a question of getting them to a point where they want to. 12.50.23 # leftright: nice ;) 12.50.47 # amiconn: But was the solution of files in the filesystem suggested? 12.50.51 # I think the theme folder should be set up for each different model... 12.51.06 # And it's not *just* female users. I just give the low numbers of female users as an example of how we're not addressing everyone's needs. 12.51.11 # boxes looks great on an h1xx, but like crud on a h3xx 12.51.14 # I'm strongly against a configurable main menu, it will make support a nightmare 12.51.40 # likewise... a player theme will probably look awful on a h1xx, etc... 12.51.41 # Slasheri: the file counter in wps doesn't get udated if a file is deleted within a directory, it does update if stop and then play is selected 12.51.46 # are we supposed to ship example graphical wps's with rockbox now? when i do a make zip, i get a message about No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic! - am i missing something in checkout or is it work in progress? 12.51.57 # I think a user-configurable "user menu" could be the way to go 12.52.03 # amiconn: I disagree. If a user customises his/her menu, then he/she is advanced enough not to need support. 12.52.15 # elinenbe, I'll probably do a H3xx boxes at some point, when the 3xx WPS code is more stable, and when we have a working sim, since I don't own a 3xx myself. 12.52.22 # ripnetuk: yeah, you can check a wps dir out of cvs now 12.52.29 # The configurable menu could replace the quickscreen(s) 12.52.31 # leftright: Hmm, the file counter is in fact playlist entry counter.. So there is no obvious way to update it when file is deleted 12.52.36 # Cassandra: time to go buy a new player ;) 12.52.47 # In fact work on this was even started back in archos-opnly times, just never finished 12.52.48 # elinenbe: I already own 3. 12.53.07 # once you have it set up, how much do you need to go into menus anyway? 12.53.08 # If I bought a player for every Rockbox platform, I'd be even more broke than I am now. 12.53.09 # Cassandra: I *know* one 12.53.34 # ta :) checking oiut now 12.53.38 # amiconn, I *am* one, remember. I'm not claiming we don't exist. 12.53.41 # the total number of files doesn't get updated if a file is deleted, its no biggie, just thought I'd mention it 12.54.03 # Cassandra: Yes of course. Then I actually know two :) 12.54.22 # * Cassandra grins. 12.54.59 # gotta go, thanks folks for a fine product 12.55.05 Part leftright 12.55.41 # will AAC be supported in the future or does it have the same problems as wma? 12.55.44 Quit perplexity ("Time to scoot before the parking inspector extracts his pound of flesh") 12.56.07 # solexx_: AAC is already supported. It just isn't optimised yet so doesn't quite playback in realtime. 12.57.03 # linuxstb: thx. I just read in the wiki that aac isn't supported and rockbox did something but I don't know what it did :) 12.57.19 # Where in the wiki? 12.57.19 Join Febs [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 12.58.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison 12.58.23 # and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs but it's not clear on the topic 12.58.28 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.58.35 # Slasheri: u there? 12.58.50 # * Cassandra decides to go round and personally molest every H3xx user that installs Rockbox then complains it doesn't work. 12.59.24 # Molest ay? 12.59.38 # Ummm, i think mine isn't working all of a sudden ;-). 13.00.52 # i looked at your recent commits and noticed some gui_syncsplash() calls in playback.c 13.01.26 # I know it must be annoying and you guys could get more done without ppl complaining about something they shouldn't be installing anyway.... 13.01.31 # it suddenly struck me that calling lcd drawing functions is really only allowed in the main thread 13.01.52 # solexx_: I've changed the FeatureComparison page now. I hope that is more accurate. 13.01.59 # baobab68: it indeed is 13.02.12 # solexx_: The SoundCodecs is a more technical page about the codecs. 13.02.17 # i'm playing pokemon on my h340 now ;) 13.02.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.02.30 # linuxstb: thanks a lot 13.02.34 # but ppl are just really excited. we've been listening to h100 owners rave about rockbox for so long, and now it's coming along for h3xx owners too... 13.02.59 # and don't forget the long waits for firmware updates from iriver... 13.03.35 # Have iriver stated that they will make anymore adjustments to the H3XX firmware? 13.03.58 # supposedly a new one for release within "a couple of weeks" but they won't say what's in it. 13.04.17 # LinusN: hi :) 13.04.36 # the general consensus is that it might have WAV recording. Some are hoping for OTF playlists as well. 13.04.37 # Ah i see. I doubt they will really put anything of huge benefit into it now anyway. 13.04.48 # LinusN: Hmm, true. The functions in fact don't work very well in playback.c.. 13.04.50 # Well...that would be cool 13.05.03 # why should they? they already have my money, and they've released like a million other products since then. 13.05.08 # Probably a better way should be implemented to output error messages from playback engine 13.05.16 # Slasheri: yes 13.05.23 # oops, gotta go 13.05.28 Part LinusN 13.05.28 # yeah true, its sad isn't it, really says something about the kind of people they are. 13.05.29 # it'd be like me asking Sanyo to add a hi-def feature to my TV 10 yrs after purchase 13.05.47 # (I wonder if they would? :-) 13.06.20 # Hehe, you should ask them ;-) 13.07.10 # "The salesman told me it would be the best thing for at least the next 10 years, so whats all this i hear about HD?" 13.07.27 # "and I can't reboot my TV back into 1930's film mode by holding REC and pressing PLAY" 13.07.57 # But you can get that mode by pushing it down a flight of stairs and throwing mud at the screen. 13.08.35 # if I objdump -O binary, can I then make a dissassemble on that binary with objdump? 13.10.35 Join webguest71 [0] (n=c2848364@labb.contactor.se) 13.11.11 # B4gder: yes. 13.11.17 # anybody in the team tested rockbox on h3xx int. ? 13.11.49 # m68k-elf-objdump --target binary --architecture m68k:5249 --adjust-vma 0x31000000 -D rockbox.bin 13.11.59 # thanks! 13.12.02 # The -D is the key 13.12.09 # (disassemble everyting) 13.12.30 # webguest71: some users on Mistic River have reported installing the bootloader on an international H300 without problems. 13.12.39 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de23559.alshamil.net.ae) 13.13.01 # but you cant guarrante its safe=? 13.13.10 # i installed it on my int h340 and it works fine 13.13.15 # webguest71: we will NEVER guarantee that 13.13.19 # ;) 13.13.22 # i cant guarentee that upgrading the original iriver fw is safe 13.13.31 # flashing is always a slight risk 13.13.34 # how about the music playback :? 13.13.50 # There is no music playback yet on H300. 13.13.55 # you have to use the iriver firmware or else it freezes 13.14.11 # linuxstb: btw, you didn't use the rev16 instruction anywhere, did you? appears we don't have it... 13.14.15 # but you can use rockboy? 13.14.25 # the ipod arm really doesn't have a lot of instructions at all 13.14.32 # preglow: No, I didn't use it. I noticed we didn't have it the other day when we talked about instructions. 13.14.34 # i was playing pokemon before... 13.14.50 # haha;) in black and white? 13.14.53 # I updated the "when will Rockbox be released for the H300" FAQ: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverFAQ#Will_Rockbox_be_released_for_the 13.15.15 # pokemon blue... 13.15.24 # Zak1392: The player doesn't actually "freeze" during music playback. The CPU gets clocked to 120Mhz and the button driver goes crazy. 13.15.48 # preglow: Wel, it's called Acorn *RISC* Machine after all ;) 13.16.27 # Also, i hear its advised not to attempt music playback on the H3XX. 13.17.00 Quit webguest71 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.17.01 # does anyone here has a sony stereo microphone? 13.17.07 # those popular ones? 13.17.22 # XavierGr: no, but I want one :) 13.17.38 # XavierGr: Which are the popular ones? 13.18.00 # I just spend 150euros on one of them, and unless it is faulty they suck big time 13.18.37 # I try to record with 24dB gain and I hear only whispers. The equalizers aren't moving at all 13.18.57 # I bought the ECM-MS907 13.19.17 # Don't you normally need a pre-amp and/or a battery box for microphones? 13.19.36 # I play with my classical guitar at full gain in front of it and there is no response at all! 13.19.53 # XavierGR, I've recorded many times with that mic with no trouble. 13.20.04 # these microphones are specially built for mini devices 13.20.15 # they have built in batterys 13.20.16 # amiconn: well, you should see the number of instructions the higher revisions have 13.20.21 # Do you have a fresh batter in it? 13.20.22 # You definitely ought to use a pre-amp or a mic in socket. 13.20.23 # ^batteries 13.20.45 # ^batter=battery 13.20.59 # Febs I just changed 2 batteries, I even measured their voltage with a multimeter 13.21.07 # 1600mV 13.21.07 # each 13.21.28 # Febs: You have the same microphone? 13.21.53 # Yes. And I've used it successfuly with H100 (iriver fw), H100 (RB) and H300 (iriver fw). 13.22.20 # Febs: What kind of recordings do you make with it? 13.22.39 # Well I will be damned. 13.22.39 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.22.47 Join Febs_ [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 13.22.48 # I just coupled it on my PC line it. 13.23.09 # I yelled at it as hard as I could and no clipping occured 13.23.26 # * Febs_ hates the web based IRC client. 13.23.53 # * preglow loves irssi 13.23.54 # * perplexity hands Febs_ a USB keystick with X-Chat installed 13.24.10 # Febs do you get a strong signal from your mic? 13.24.23 # linuxstb, I've made recordings of everything from voice, to my acoustic guitar, to a loud bad (106-108dB). 13.24.35 # XavierGR, yes. 13.24.44 # I remember iriver built in mic which is very very sensitive... 13.25.08 # * Febs_ has tried other IRC clients but only the web-based client works with his office web filter. 13.25.13 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 13.25.38 # ^bad=band 13.25.47 # I cant believe it. I just overpaid 150 euros (while on abroad it costs 70) for a faulty mic!($*)@(*@)(*@)( 13.25.50 # Ahh.. I ssh to a remote box and port forward over that 13.26.23 # I may try that. 13.26.34 # Febs: Can you upload a sample song with ou acoustic guitar? Or anythng to compare? 13.27.23 # Let me go find something and I'll post it for you. 13.27.43 Join stu3 [0] (n=stu3@203-217-54-37.dyn.iinet.net.au) 13.28.04 Quit stu3_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.28.13 # thanks. 13.29.57 # XavierGr: what makes you think it's faulty? 13.30.26 # I even tap it with my finger and I can''t get the meter to clip 13.30.40 # are you sure it outputs a line level signal? 13.30.43 # preglow: the recording level is way too low. 13.30.45 # i somewhat doubt it does 13.31.00 # what preamp are you using? 13.31.02 Quit baobab68 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.31.12 # no preamp 13.31.16 # wait. it's active isn't it? 13.31.23 # but these mics are made just to be coupled 13.31.29 # it is 13.31.41 # it has a biult in battery and a switch 13.32.08 # do you have a preamp at all tho? 13.32.19 # one you can plug the mic into? 13.32.25 # not at the moment 13.32.40 # if it's getting signal at all, just sounds like a dea preamp int eh mic, right? 13.32.54 # dead 13.32.59 # it wouldbe difficult to find a stereo microphone preamp 13.33.35 # when I bought my guitar and was trying to decide what pickup to use, Iended up buying a massive pickup 13.33.40 # http://www.minidisco.com/ecm-ms907.html 13.33.50 # cos I didn;t want nay modifications done to the body to fit the preamp 13.33.50 # these are supposed to work without preamps 13.34.03 # also some demos I listened to were great. 13.36.16 Join Philip [0] (n=d48701ba@labb.contactor.se) 13.38.57 # @#$%@#$% 13.39.11 # god damned misticriver forums keeps forgetting my login 13.39.17 # woah! I was about to say that! 13.39.25 # Febs: and you keep using black text in your posts 13.39.33 # preglow: why do you thing I am doing something wrong? 13.39.56 # Febs: you have noticed the horrible default theme, and how the background for a post is dark grey, right? 13.39.57 Quit Philip (Client Quit) 13.41.52 # Coldtoast: which browser are you using? 13.42.28 # Firefox 13.42.37 # why's that? 13.42.54 # was wondering if it was just the browser i'm using (konqueror) 13.42.59 # !@#$%@#$^ 13.43.02 # * ashridah stabs mistic river 13.43.06 # heh 13.43.19 # not only does it forget between browser instances, it forgets WITHIN a browser instance 13.43.28 # * ashridah kicks misticriver in the nads 13.43.28 # that's the bit I meant when I said I was aboutto say that; @#$%@#$% 13.43.40 # but I have that EXACT problem with imdb 13.44.06 # i think the pages aren't being set to nocache properly. 13.44.15 # because forcing a refresh helps refreshing 13.44.27 Quit Zak1392 () 13.44.43 # s/refreshing// 13.45.22 # what extensions ar eyou running? 13.46.40 Join webguest93 [0] (n=d4870139@labb.contactor.se) 13.46.53 # extensions? 13.47.24 # * ashridah looks at Coldtoast and wonders if Coldtoast understood him when he said the name of his browser in parenthesis :) 13.47.35 # oh yeah 13.47.36 # sorry 13.47.48 # err.. D'oh 13.52.43 # packed and ready to return it! 13.53.16 # don't you just LOVE RMAing stuff the day you got it? 13.53.43 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.54.15 # I hope that they will not have any objections with it. 13.54.30 # I shouldn't have bought it in the first place. 13.54.39 # 150 euros for it is a sure rip off. 13.54.48 # I just dind;t had any alternatives 13.54.58 # XavierGr: i don't think you're doing something wrong, i'm just asking 13.56.44 Quit webguest93 ("CGI:IRC") 13.56.55 # I just hope to see the other guy that bought it too. 13.57.19 # In a test recording with hie (same) microphone all went okay 13.57.50 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@CBL217-132-130-72.bb.netvision.net.il) 13.57.53 # I was very amazed by the sound of the mic so I decided to buy it for me too. 13.59.16 # The real reason to buy it is an upcoming concert which I take part and want to record it. But in todays rehearsal (just tested there the mic) nothing could be heard but whispers so... 13.59.25 # I was really annoyed. 14.00.54 # do you play mainly acoustic guitar? 14.01.16 # no only classical 14.01.33 # who do you listen to? 14.01.52 # from classical guitarists? 14.01.58 # any guitarists 14.02.29 # I actually find a lot of classical guitar is a bit rigid for my liking 14.03.05 # mainly Jown Williams, Julian Bream, Narciso Yepes, The Romeros 14.03.32 # do you listen to anybody like Michael Hedges, Leo Kottke? 14.04.01 # I am not into ONLY classical guitar, but I listen mostly to orchestrated music. 14.04.36 # ever heard of Slava Gregoria? 14.04.46 # nope sorry, never heard of them... 14.04.52 # Slava is *great* 14.04.58 # he's an Australian classical guitarist 14.05.26 # hmm i will make a search for him 14.05.51 # Michael Hedges is my absolute fave guitarist tho 14.06.04 # Slava did a wicked duet with Tommy Emmanuel not that long ago 14.06.18 # did you see him when he was on The Panel perplexity? 14.06.20 # Truth is that I don't know many classical guitarists apart from the very famous. 14.06.34 # No, I missed that.. I don't live in Aus anymore.. 14.06.43 # he played this piece after they interviewed him and it was just awesome 14.06.54 # have you heard of Hedges tho XavierGr? 14.07.03 # I *very* nearly got to see him live in concert but I had to fly out early :( 14.08.39 # sorry have to go... 14.08.49 Nick XavierGr is now known as Xavier|afk (n=XavierGr@ppp12-adsl-80.ath.forthnet.gr) 14.08.56 # hey wait 14.11.18 # ashridah: I just saw your posts about the MR theme. 14.11.34 # I use the "test" theme which is a basic vBulletin blue and white. 14.11.55 # I can't tell when things come up black on the horrible default theme and when they don't. 14.12.34 # Febs: i know, but misticriver keeps forgetting my login, so it keeps defaulting to the theme that uses a black background :) 14.12.44 # * Febs goes to look at MR using the ugly default theme. 14.12.51 # Febs: the key is: let the browser choose the default text colour 14.13.03 # since the theme itself should be doing that via css or otherwise :) 14.13.18 # I do. I think that the problem comes when I cut and paste something from somewhere else. 14.17.41 # Slasheri: I don't get how your latest playlsit.c change works. You simplify by just assigning count = steps; - but steps may be negative... 14.18.26 Join webguest40 [0] (n=51e9194e@labb.contactor.se) 14.18.32 # hello everyone ! 14.18.33 # amiconn: oh, i forgot that.. in fact i broke my previous code and i thought that code was incorrect :/ 14.18.37 # i will fix it, thanks 14.18.39 # Also, you introduced one more gui_syncsplash() outside the gui thread... 14.19.02 # or the code had bugs but the previous count setting was correct 14.19.08 # I just installed rockbox on my h3xx and now i wonder how i install rockboy ? i have downloaded rockboy but how do i install ? 14.19.15 # amiconn: Hmm, really? 14.19.34 # webguest40: rockboy comes included so if you installed rockbox you already have it 14.19.51 # does the %wd turn of the stausbar in wps mode ?? 14.19.53 # cool :D 14.19.53 # Ugh. Just looking at the default MR theme for 5 minutes is already starting to give me a headache. 14.20.27 # Febs: it looks like my browser freaked out and stretched part of a normal image horizontally 14.20.50 # whoever did the design for that needs to be hit, a forums borders should not attract the eye more than the forum's content 14.22.08 # does it work with gba games? 14.22.19 # no webguest09 14.22.22 # no 14.22.24 # no webguest40 ... sorry 14.22.40 # lol 14.22.44 # osx 86 cracked again 14.22.47 # eey its cool anyways:D 14.22.48 # it's probably not going to any time soon. rockboy development stopped dead many months ago 14.22.56 # DMJC: got linkage? 14.23.07 # http://www.osx86project.org 14.23.16 # Man I'd love to port an Atari 2600 emulator to Rockbox :) 14.23.28 # perplexity: don't let us stop you 14.23.38 # wwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeee the %wd tag works :) 14.23.39 # perplexity: go for it. 14.23.46 # webguest40: just unpack the whole rockbox zip to you H3xx and rockbox will be included. 14.24.04 # Been doing a little homework.. need to get more familiar with the RockBox internals first.. 14.24.05 # webguest40: sorry about that :) 14.25.14 # Slasheri: Yes you did. Adding a splash in playlist.c is a bad idea 14.26.07 # I want to remove some attachments from the wiki. When I want to move to 'Trash' I have 2 options. Does it matter if I move to the 1st or the 2nd? 14.26.13 # Also please note that the playlist code is used on all platforms 14.26.55 # ...so you can't just change the behaviour without adapting both playback engines 14.27.02 # markun: no 14.27.29 # (was tempted to add the word 'careless' to my sentence) 14.28.15 # amiconn: Hmm.. but isn't that called from ui thread? 14.28.44 # hey. with WPS, if I use the same images in .rwps that I use in .wps, does the image get loaded into mem twice? 14.28.50 # Slasheri: nope 14.29.15 # On iriver it's the playback thread, on archos it's the mpeg thread 14.29.44 # amiconn: playlist_resume is called from tree.c 14.29.53 # and there the same function uses gui_syncsplash too 14.30.34 # no function called from playback thread in playlist.c should currently have a splash 14.32.06 # heh could the h340 series support an amiga emulator? 14.32.18 # that'd be hillarious 14.32.18 # Hmm. Still I think it's unclean to splash from within playlist.c 14.32.34 # Why not just call it before calling playlist_resume()? 14.33.10 # Hmm, that's true. I just saw so many splashes there so I added one more :) But yes, before the playlist_resume sounds even better 14.34.04 # Hmm, in fact you're right 14.34.15 # * amiconn wonders why all those splashes are in there 14.34.18 # :) 14.34.32 # Imho they don't belong there 14.35.14 # Some q&d coding I guess 14.35.56 # For what it's worth, my initial implementation of ".menu" file handling adds 232 bytes to rockbox.iriver for 2 supported menu items, 256 for 3 items, and 276 for 4 items. 14.36.14 # linuxstb: do you think we should set up interrupt button handling in the bootloader as well? seems to be the only proper way 14.37.17 # problem is of course that we still migh tnot get the interrupt if it's pressed too early 14.37.28 # preglow: We don't have to be as cautious as Linus is with the iriver bootloader - so if that's the only way then do it. 14.37.51 # preglow: Yes, I think that's the main problem. The Apple bootloader takes a long time to load our bootloader. 14.38.24 # is the games on h300 in black and white? 14.38.31 # preglow: Maybe we will need to do another kind of bootloader - e.g. a menu with timeout. 14.38.43 # linuxstb: yeah, perhaps, but i don't know if i'd like that 14.38.49 # i like a fast boot if i can have one 14.38.56 # but yeah, it might be the only way 14.39.13 # Is it impossible to poll the buttons on ipod? 14.39.22 # amiconn: impossible, no, but unreliable, it seems 14.39.30 # bah 14.39.34 # Bad ipod ;) 14.39.46 # keep in mind we don't have docs, so hard to say 14.40.02 # perhaps someone should disassemble the apple bootloader 14.40.03 Join bbad [0] (n=bbad@81.198.48.110) 14.40.04 # I've got a feeling that the ipod can't detect the current state of the buttons - only changes in the state. But I could be wrong there. 14.40.06 # it seems to be able to cope nicely 14.40.25 # i've never had it not sense to select-play combo 14.40.50 # to=the 14.40.53 # preglow: Yes, but the apple bootloader has already started running by the time you press that combo. 14.41.30 # perhaps 14.42.52 # We should be able to dump the contents of the flash to disk if we wanted to see what it does. 14.46.45 # bah 14.46.51 # webguest40: at the moment, yes. colour support is not fully implemented on H3x0 (just like most other things, except for the basics) 14.47.06 # i'd need to get my hands on ida pro before i'd even want to think about doing that 14.47.19 # webguest40: most of these problems and missing features will probably be dealt with eventually. 14.49.31 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@141.71.4.202) 14.51.05 # re 14.51.07 # whay does it take ten times as long to canahge theme frm themebrowser the it takes to make the changes your selfe? 14.51.08 # haha 14.51.19 # i invoke a software interrupt, and now rockbox boots again and again and again... 14.53.27 # it's strange... it realy takes a whole lot of time 14.53.44 # mordov: use the source, luke! :) 14.54.01 # (it does seem like someone's tossed a sleep(3) in there tho) 14.54.02 # cool im playing zelda on my h3xx now 14.54.09 # tnx rockbox team ! 14.54.29 # ashridah:D 14.54.59 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 14.55.32 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3076.gwdg.de) 14.55.37 # how do i cancle a game? 14.56.30 # If anyone is interested in my "menu files" idea, an initial patch is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/menu_files.diff.gz 14.56.32 # A-B 14.57.02 # but i cant press quit game ! 14.57.36 # It currently supports the files "Browse Plugins.menu", "Browse Themes.menu", "General Settings.menu" and "Sound Settings.menu" (or the localised equivalents). Simply create files with those names anywhere on your hard disk and then select them to activate the appropriate menu function. 14.59.03 Nick hshah_ is now known as hshah (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 14.59.35 # webguest09: in the h-120 it is the A-B button... it givs you a mune,,, save back quit etc... 15.00.01 # mordov: except in the H3x0, apparently the buttons don't compeltely work in rockboy or something, i'm told. 15.01.00 # ah, that explains a bit ) 15.01.19 # webguest09: Try highlighting the menu item with up/down, then select with Right. Does that work? 15.01.30 # webguest40 I mean 15.01.33 # if some one do the rockboy,,, plase move the B buton from STOP... i'm turning if my player all the time 15.02.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.03.37 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-129-162.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.10.46 Join tucoz [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 15.11.32 # linuxstb: I likes it. I think that is a clever solution to user-configurable menus 15.11.34 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC") 15.13.38 # Would "browse files" also be handled by a menu-file? 15.14.05 # tucoz: No. Just create yourself a directory called "Browse Files" in the root of your hard disk, and move all your files into there. 15.15.13 # linuxstb: I have already that, like you suggested the other day. Works really nice. This is just the way I think Rockbox could be more user friendly 15.15.41 # It doesn't really solve that problem - it requires the user to organise their hard disk in a specific way. 15.16.01 # linuxstb: sure, but it is really simple to understand the concept 15.16.06 # But I agree, if a hard disk is organised this way, then it's more user-friendly. 15.16.55 # So, what is missing in terms of options now? fm-radio, recording. 15.17.44 # FM Radio could be implemented by having .fmr files containing a list of presets. So you would have a directory called "FM Radio", and then the preset files in there. 15.18.49 Join SnokeekonS [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 15.18.50 # are there any systems that don't use a full stack? 15.18.52 # Or if you only had one .fmr file, then call that "FM Radio.fmr". 15.19.22 Nick SnokeekonS is now known as AliasCoffee (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 15.19.25 # linuxstb: I still think this is a cool way of organizing stuff. I hope you get a green light for something like this. 15.20.16 # The only problem is that the main menu becomes a little redundant. 15.20.58 # hehe, yes. But maybe that could be split up in someway as well. 15.21.39 # In terms of getting a "green light" - I guess it depends if everyone agrees that the increased code size is worth it. The patch I posted (4 menu items) adds 276 bytes to the iriver build. Each additional item seems to add about 20-24 bytes. 15.22.22 # linuxstb, what does your menu patch do? 15.22.54 # preglow: ?? 15.22.56 # You can create a file on your hard disk called (for example) "Sound Settings.menu", and then when you select that file in the file browser, it runs that menu item. 15.22.57 # ok, hmm. That is of course something that could be a problem. Anyway, I really like to have a base menu. 15.23.44 # linuxstb, so basically like a shortcut? 15.23.50 # hshah: Yes. 15.23.51 # amiconn: stacks that have the stack pointer pointing to the next free stack element 15.23.52 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 15.24.06 # amiconn: also called empty stacks 15.25.45 Part tucoz 15.25.48 Join mashalla [0] (i=mashalla@p5498F62A.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.26.46 Quit DJDD_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 15.28.26 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=3a4d514b@labb.contactor.se) 15.33.12 # If I use background that make, look like strange. 15.33.20 # LCD twinkles. 15.33.25 # Resolution is right, and bit is right. By the way, is strange. Why may I be so? 15.36.40 Quit _FireFly_ ("IceChat - Stay K00L") 15.37.12 # hello~? 15.39.26 # #freenode 15.39.46 Quit Jungti1234 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.40.15 Join Nixsos [0] (n=Nixsos@i62009.upc-i.chello.nl) 15.40.22 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.75) 15.41.45 # hi, where can i download the H300 bootloader + software? I'd like to test it with my H340 + EU firmware 15.43.02 # Does no one have a person who answer to my problem? 15.43.02 # you're aware there's not much you can do with it yet, yes? 15.43.06 # Nixsos: you understand the risks involved? ie, potentially unusable player, buggy rockbox firmware, etc? 15.43.25 # also that most features are next to useless currently 15.44.44 # hmm yeah i've read about those problems.. although everybody got their player working again right? 15.45.17 # Nixsos: depends how you define working, since rockbox currently doesn't actually "work" as such 15.45.23 # Jungti1234: think noone has a good aswer to it... 15.45.24 # it would kinda suck if i bricked it... it's brand new 15.45.34 # Jungti1234. might be something in the forum 15.45.35 # Nixsos: then i'd definently wait 15.45.50 # ok 15.46.03 # okay thanks... guess i'll have to be patient then :D, god i miss my H140 :D 15.46.11 Quit Coldtoast (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.46.14 # Nixsos: what happened to it? 15.47.17 # ashridag: i sold it, the color screen stole my heart 15.48.12 # hmm i guess ashridag is one of the milder typos they could make with your nick 15.48.20 # :D 15.48.24 # sorry 15.48.31 # im kinda new to this IRC thing 15.48.39 # my thanks goes out to the entire rb crew 15.48.45 # you guys are all awesome! 15.48.51 # cannard: people can do what they like with my nick. but if they do, they're dissing Ryan 'Ridah' Feltrin 15.48.51 # seconded! 15.48.56 # and that's fighting words 15.49.33 # Nixsos, sorry i wasnt saying anything bad, please forgive! though you shouldnt of sold your h140 :p 15.50.54 # heh yeah i know, but i couldnt watch my futurama shows on the H140 :P 15.51.11 # and greyscale just doesn't cut it :P 15.51.47 # i had to google him before i said anything, before i dug my hole deeper :p 15.51.52 # :D 15.52.29 # hmm thats true i guess Nixsos, were you able to capitalize on the recent want for h140's at least? 15.54.21 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 15.55.01 # hmm what do you mean? whether i got enough money for my H140? (im dutch, shoot me :-/) 15.55.36 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.55.53 # Nixsos: and you are not alone here :) 15.56.07 # bye 15.56.11 # i was able to sell my H140 for 220 euros.. got the H340 for 340 i believe 15.56.15 # Jungti1234: bye 15.56.17 # ahh ok 15.56.22 # how long ago? 15.56.29 # 2 months ago 15.56.32 # i wonder how many euros to aussie peso's 15.56.41 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 15.56.46 # I get H100 into free charge. :D 15.56.56 # but with a broken hdd.. 15.57.06 # hahahaha 15.57.09 # :D 15.57.13 # hmm i would of bought it! 15.57.27 # It's H120. 15.57.42 # Jungti1234: so you can buy a new 30gb hdd 15.58.08 # i nearly bricked my H140 when i tryed to change the battery.. i still want to upgrade my H340s battery, but im afraid i'll void the warranty 15.58.28 # Nixsos: what went wrong with the battery? polarity? 15.59.25 # wahahaha 15.59.35 # H120 comes. 15.59.42 # polarity yeah.. i've got two left hands, i suck at electronics :D. when i tryed to swap the polarity i broke the damn socket :-/ 15.59.56 # on the battery 16.00.11 # Nixsos: also happened to my friend when we were upgrading our batteries together. 16.00.13 # how do you call that? the 'male' part 16.00.27 # stekker? :) 16.00.56 # bye~ 16.00.57 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 16.01.09 # stekker ja :D 16.01.11 # 'plug' 16.02.20 # batterylife sucks when viewing videos... maybe i should make myself an external batterypack 16.06.33 Quit Amar ("CGI:IRC") 16.10.59 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.12.29 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-126.VIC.netspace.net.au) 16.30.43 Quit AliasCoffee ("blink") 16.35.41 # certainly it's much easier to just snip the wires? 16.35.51 # having to fiddle with the connector is just more work? 16.45.46 # amiconn: seems the cpu processes interrupts even when in sleep mode, so we can just have the irq/fiq handler wake the cpu to get sleep functionality on ipod as well 16.46.44 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.48.08 # preglow: Goodie. Does that mean the cpu wakes up when an interrupt arrives, or do you need to wake it up manually? If so, how? 16.49.27 # amiconn: afaik, it wakes to process the exception, then sleeps when it's done 16.49.41 # amiconn: if you write the sleep reg when in the exception handler, it wakes again 16.49.53 # after processing it, that is 16.50.59 # Ah okay 16.51.16 # So that means all interrupt handlers have to reset the sleep register 16.51.20 # yup 16.51.27 # and perhaps all exception handlers 16.51.41 # though i'd think just making the irq and fiq handlers reset it would be enough 16.51.48 # the other exceptions wont occur in a sleeping cpu 16.51.48 # ..and the scheduler could set it before entering the "while evryone is sleeping" loop 16.52.27 # Perhaps that loop is even unnecessary then 16.52.45 # (in case the sleep mode makes the CPU stop completely) 16.52.49 # well, you're not guaranteed to have a change in thread state by an irq of fiq 16.52.50 # or 16.53.26 # num_sleepers is increased by one everytime a thread calls sleep() 16.53.38 # yup 16.54.12 # ...and reset to zero when someone calls wake_up_thread() 16.54.37 # Ah, of course you will need the loop 16.54.57 # i don't see how it differs much from the case with a proper sleep instruction, to be honest 16.55.06 # indeed 16.55.07 # it sleeps as before, and interrupts wakes it, again, as before 16.55.25 # The only difference is that every isr has to reset the sleep register, 16.55.39 # and the scheduler sets a register instead of calling an instruction 16.55.52 # yep 16.57.13 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4634C.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.02.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.29 # ccache just rocks 17.05.28 # <_FireFly_> ?? 17.05.41 # buiilding rockbox with ccache enabled flies 17.05.50 # <_FireFly_> :) 17.06.24 Join Moos [0] (n=c13354c1@labb.contactor.se) 17.09.22 # * Bagder would like to remove the -Wno-pointer-sign option for gcc4 builds 17.10.57 # agreed 17.11.35 # Bagder: Do *you* intend to fix the warnings? ;) 17.11.46 # sure 17.12.09 # actually, I start doing that first 17.12.47 # I expect a can of worms... 17.13.08 # I eggspect an easter egg ;D 17.13.13 # Bagder: Have you tried a compile with that option? 17.14.46 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: should i change the factor for scroll-delay(HZ/10) to 1000/HZ as you mentioned in your forum-post in my remote-settings-patch 17.18.17 # any opinions on whether ipodrockbox should run in supervisor or user mode? i don't know what route embedded systems usually take 17.19.30 # doesn't seem like supervisor mode can do much more than user mode, set the processor flags, it seems 17.20.15 # Do you have to decide now? 17.20.24 # no, not really 17.20.35 # it's primarily a crt0.S issue 17.20.43 # and i'm still not quite clear on what the differences are 17.21.20 # i was more or less just wondering what embedded systems usually do given a choice 17.21.30 # depends on system reliability concerns, i guess 17.22.22 # _FireFly_: Yes I think so. Note that there are multiple places, all of which seem to be wrong: 17.22.44 # <_FireFly_> yepp 17.22.52 # (1) In the settings_menu function, before & after the actual set_int call 17.22.56 # <_FireFly_> i will do it 17.23.00 # (2) in the LCD drivers 17.23.02 # preglow: http://www.netrino.com/Publications/Glossary/K.html 17.23.17 Join webguest57 [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 17.23.21 # http://www.uclinux.org/pub/uClinux/archive/5726.html 17.23.22 # (One vote for supervisor mode) 17.23.23 # It doesn't change behaviour as long as HZ == 100 17.23.26 Part webguest57 17.24.17 # linuxstb: yeah, if it's as restricted on portalplayer as it seems, i vote for that as well, i don't want to spend overhead on calling software interrupts all the time 17.24.45 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: should i do it also for the jump_scroll_delay for charcell targets ?? 17.24.47 # I say go for supervisor mode (it's no worse than any other Rockbox). 17.24.58 # nah, don't think so 17.25.47 Quit Subterranean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.07 # _FireFly_: Ooops, didn't notice that. Would be consistent to fix that as well 17.26.14 # <_FireFly_> ok 17.26.34 # linuxstb, preglow: Rockbox on coldfire also runs in supervisor mode 17.26.56 # (really useful sometimes) 17.27.15 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: the hz/10 is correct for button_get_w_tmo or sleep isn't it ?? 17.28.10 # HZ/10 in itself means a tenth of a second, that's correct 17.28.28 # What does 1000/HZ mean? 17.28.35 # <_FireFly_> ok 17.28.44 # However, in case of the scroll delay settings, we need to convert between milliseconds and ticks 17.29.06 # <_FireFly_> only for the scroll-delay settings i must change from HZ/10 to 1000/HZ 17.29.18 # ticks = milliseconds / (1000/HZ) 17.29.29 # milliseconds = ticks * (1000/HZ) 17.29.34 # amiconn: Yes, I understand now. So HZ/10 was just correct by co-incidence. 17.29.40 # yup 17.31.38 # <_FireFly_> i can't find any HZ/10 in the lcd-drivers only a HZ/2 17.32.42 # _FireFly_: "HZ / 10" (with spaces) 17.33.31 # <_FireFly_> aahh found it :) 17.34.10 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 17.36.03 # <_FireFly_> hmm strange why we multiply the value for scroll-delay from the global_settings struct with 1000/HZ and the set-function for the scroll-delay divides the parameter-value with 1000/HZ 17.36.19 # <_FireFly_> that doesn't make any sense for my 17.37.01 # <_FireFly_> or is it the integer math ?? 17.37.09 # This is because both the global settings value (for saving config bits) and the internal driver values (for simplicity) are stored in ticks 17.37.10 # <_FireFly_> s/my/me 17.37.24 # ...but the user should see milliseconds 17.37.51 # <_FireFly_> aahh ok 17.38.23 # In the lcd driver, look for the lcd_scroll_delay() functions 17.38.49 # <_FireFly_> why then not simply do the multiplication in the drawing-function in the menu?? 17.39.17 # <_FireFly_> or is that more complicated then the current way 17.40.07 # set_int() also calls lcd_scroll_delay() "live" 17.40.43 # Doing it directly in the display function would require a special one... 17.42.18 # <_FireFly_> ok 17.43.01 Join pinkutank [0] (n=ddd@85.102.138.224) 17.43.43 # the channel ftonk has arrived 17.48.55 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.49.32 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 17.52.54 # _FireFly_: When we switch to using config files from our config sector, it would make sense to always have the delay values in msec at the app level. 17.52.54 Quit CBM-away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.53.07 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 17.53.20 # Then the only places that would convert to ticks would be the lcd_scroll_delay() fns 17.54.45 # <_FireFly_> ok 18.14.09 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.16.00 # Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum sonatur 18.16.14 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-67-188-108-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 18.44.41 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=18e7f919@labb.contactor.se) 18.52.25 Join Mxm`Pas`Bien [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 18.55.37 # TiMiD: r u there? 18.56.41 # amiconn: yep 18.57.07 # There is a problem with the multiscreen API - numerous inits are called too late 18.57.24 # This leads to a hard crash on archos with early USB 18.57.37 # hmm 18.57.45 # same on iriver 18.57.49 # Early USB means starting with the USB cable already connected 18.57.56 # when I plug the usb when booting, it crashes 18.58.11 # The early USB check happens in main.c 18.58.20 # ...so the init(s) have to happen before 18.58.25 # but usb screen isn't still ported to multi-screen ? 18.58.31 # ok 18.58.33 # <_FireFly_> maybe we should init the screen-access in main 18.58.35 # I will fix this 18.58.39 # No, but it uses the statusbar... 18.58.45 # (I'm porting usb to multi-screen) 18.58.52 # ok :) 18.59.03 # I already tried adding screen_access_init to main.c, but that's not enough 18.59.14 # I didn't know each widget has its own init.... 18.59.34 # <_FireFly_> gui_syncstatusbar_init 18.59.52 # Would it make sense to add the widget init calls to screen_access_init() ? 18.59.58 # no 19.00.01 # why? 19.00.14 # since each widget can be used independantly 19.00.29 # Yes, but they are inited only once, or? 19.00.29 # I mean there can be multiple instances 19.00.38 # AH. 19.00.44 # that's why threre is a per-widget init 19.00.47 # Statusbar should only exist once though 19.00.51 # yes 19.01.02 # general statusbar is a special case 19.01.10 # <_FireFly_> or two when remote exists :) 19.01.14 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 19.01.43 # syncstatusbar :) 19.01.51 # <_FireFly_> i think simple move screen-access-init and gui_syncstatusbar_init to main should do it 19.01.59 # yes 19.02.08 # I'll try 19.02.16 # I will do it with my oncoming commit for usb screen on remote 19.02.27 # <_FireFly_> maybe we could create a additinal fn for those inits 19.02.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.02.34 # I want to get rid of I04: IllInstr at 00000404 on my and my sister's Ondio :/ 19.03.07 # http://thc.org/root/phun/unmaintain.html ;) 19.03.34 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: when screen_access-init gets to main then we can sync gui_sync_wps_init and gui_sync_wps_screen_init together 19.04.26 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.04.37 # mordov: ohh now I understand why rockbox code is so difficult to read ;) 19.04.55 # hmm 19.05.05 # hahahaha 19.05.21 # I don't think it's a good idea since it has nothing to do with scrern_access which is more general 19.05.35 # I have a question about the ATA power handling in Rockbox. Am I right in saying that we don't use the ATA power commands (SLEEP, IDLE etc), but we perform the power-on/off at a higher level? 19.05.50 # TiMiD: With both inits in main() it does no longer crash 19.06.15 # amiconn: what crash? 19.06.23 # linuxstb: We do both (the physical poweroff being optional) 19.06.37 # <_FireFly_> Lear: plugging in the usb while rb-logo is shown 19.07.00 # ok 19.07.22 # do you commit or should I include this in my incoming commit ? 19.07.47 # TiMiD: I think the right place is between radio_init() and the charging screen thingy 19.07.54 # Just wondered if you by any chance were discussing the logf build problem. :) 19.07.56 # I can do it now 19.08.01 # amiconn: So for the ipod, disk power handling can be implemented just using the (documented!) ATA commands? 19.08.14 Join webguest76 [0] (n=d4886a7e@labb.contactor.se) 19.08.28 # Disk power handling *is* done using the documented ata commands 19.08.41 # ok 19.08.42 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.08.43 # The physical poweroff is optional, for 2 reasons 19.08.59 Quit San () 19.09.12 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: which of my two suggestions isn't a good idea in your eyes ?? 19.09.33 # (1) Very old players can't control disk power (no transistor). (2) Some players and FM recorders crash when switching disk power 19.09.33 Quit webguest76 (Client Quit) 19.09.37 # hey, any more H300 progress> 19.09.38 # ? 19.09.40 Nick San||Studying is now known as San (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 19.10.09 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-212-158-193-198.bulldogdsl.com) 19.10.33 # amiconn: Thanks. That's reassured me. 19.10.36 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: the sync of the two gui_wps_sync-init fns or a seperate fn for the inits ?? 19.10.38 # linuxstb: Check ata_perform_sleep (lines 988ff) 19.11.29 # So I should undef HAVE_ATA_POWER_OFF 19.12.33 # Yes, just don't define that in any of the config-ipod*.h files 19.13.30 # _FireFly_: I would do a wps_init which would do ll the needed inits for wps 19.13.55 # since somebuffers has to be allocated and so on 19.13.56 # <_FireFly_> that what i had said :) 19.14.25 # <_FireFly_> i have currently two because screen_access-init wa called later 19.14.50 # I thought you wanted to put wps inits in screen_access_init 19.14.53 # <_FireFly_> now we can sync gui_sync_wps_init and gui_sync_wps_screen_init together 19.15.39 # init early what needs buffer 19.15.53 # but all furthers inits should be made by the app 19.16.43 Quit hardeep (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh") 19.16.45 # remember _sync fn could be removed if rb went multi-thread for gui 19.19.03 # Bah, the eraly gui_syncstatusbar_init() has a rather undesirable side effect :( 19.19.09 # *early 19.19.11 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 19.19.20 # It clutters the rockbox logo with a statusbar 19.19.30 # hehe 19.19.36 # hi 19.19.41 # so the init displays the bar ? 19.19.47 # Why does an init draw something?? 19.19.49 # hi t0mas 19.19.59 # amiconn: it's strange indeed 19.20.02 # very strange 19.20.08 # <_FireFly_> not the init but the set_screen fn 19.20.26 # <_FireFly_> void gui_statusbar_set_screen(struct gui_statusbar * bar, 19.20.26 # <_FireFly_> struct screen * display) 19.20.26 # <_FireFly_> { 19.20.26 DBUG Enqueued KICK _FireFly_ 19.20.26 # <_FireFly_> bar->display = display; 19.20.26 # <_FireFly_> gui_statusbar_draw(bar, false); 19.20.27 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.20.27 # <_FireFly_> } 19.20.36 # I must have been on crack again :( 19.21.05 # Hmm. 19.21.05 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.21.05 # * TiMiD remove this quickly, no proof ^^ 19.21.25 # Which part? 19.21.31 # statusbar.c 19.21.42 # <_FireFly_> line 102 19.21.43 # Yes, I mean which part to remove? 19.21.45 # <_FireFly_> :) 19.21.50 # <_FireFly_> line 102 19.22.01 # <_FireFly_> gui_statusbar_draw(bar,false); 19.22.18 # Okay. That makes gui_statusbar_set_screen() a candidate for a macro... 19.22.44 # <_FireFly_> btw some set-function in gwps-also iirc 19.23.55 # imho, gui_syncstatusbar_draw could be inside another fn 19.24.04 # like the old status_draw 19.24.14 # since it uses most of the time the global var 19.24.26 # statusbars 19.24.40 # the only case when it needs special handling is in wps 19.24.48 # with the %wd tag 19.24.52 Quit ^BeN^ ("MULEz SCRIPT: That must be wonderful! I don't understand it at all.") 19.28.21 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-233-61.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 19.28.59 Join Philip [0] (n=Philip_0@user-1021.l6.c3.dsl.pol.co.uk) 19.30.28 *** Alert Mode OFF 19.32.13 # TiMiD: Works like a charm now; will test-compile some more targets, then commit 19.32.48 # <_FireFly_> amiconn btw you could you have a look at my remote-settings-patch ?? 19.32.56 # <_FireFly_> just updated on tracker 19.33.20 # Not right now 19.33.28 # <_FireFly_> ok 19.33.41 # My working copy is somewhat different from cvs due to my backlight work 19.34.05 # The multiscreen init problem was different files 19.34.35 # hehe 19.35.06 # <_FireFly_> what will be change when you have done your backlight work ?? 19.36.10 # Code cleanup, plus the ability to add backlight simulation to the simulators 19.36.55 # Bagder? 19.36.57 # <_FireFly_> hmm maybe the patch needs some modification then 19.36.58 # I'm planning to do that next, together with grayscale library support in the sim (win32 first) 19.37.05 # I've had a call from the Freenode staff 19.37.16 # they've processed the rockbox channel registration etc. 19.38.27 # and they've "verified" my identify through the phone, so we can start giving out those channel-cloak things we discussed with linus a long time ago 19.38.59 # _FireFly_: maybe I can look at your patch 19.39.07 # once my work is finished 19.39.17 # <_FireFly_> why not :) 19.39.49 # What's a channel cloak thing and why do we want one? 19.40.58 # <_FireFly_> the patch should be working on all platforms at least it compiles on charcell-targets and on lcd-bitmap-targets without remote-lcd 19.41.47 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-45-166.bb.netvision.net.il) 19.46.59 # Hey, amiconn, what is it that we're missing that means we can't do greyscale support in the WPS? 19.47.31 # For foreground graphics it would be possible (needs an extended bmp loader) 19.47.42 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@spc2-asht1-3-0-cust195.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 19.47.53 # For background graphics I can't think of a good method 19.48.12 # Erm, what do you mean by "foreground graphics"? 19.48.13 # greyscale/ colour has no notion of foreground/background 19.48.56 # We would need an explicit z-ordering and perhaps also a bitmask 19.50.06 # So essentially it requires extending the graphics API to do its own z-buffering or something? 19.50.37 # At the moment, we draw graphics on top of text anyway don't we? 19.50.54 # I am playing POKEMON on my H300 19.51.00 # using rockboy 19.51.09 # <_FireFly_> yepp images are drawn ontop the text 19.52.01 # crap 19.52.04 # It means (1) the wps needs a method to specify z-ordering. (2) an extended bmp loader (simple). (3) a drawing function for greyscale/colour bitmaps that also takes a monochrome bitmap as a mask. (4) a way to associate the monochrome bitmap with its greyscale/colour bitmap 19.52.07 # only play button works 19.52.26 # and (5) a probably very complex handling for scrolling text 19.52.53 # I don't really understand the need for (3) and (4) what do they do? 19.53.16 # Today, all bitmaps are simply drawn on top of the text, with DRMODE_FG 19.53.21 # san: lol i tried that as well...... 19.53.22 # <_FireFly_> when you draw a gray-scale or color bitmap you will overdrawn the whole area 19.53.26 # This keeps the text visible 19.53.40 # <_FireFly_> of the bitmap size 19.53.45 # A grey/colour bitmap would cover its full rectangle 19.53.45 # Ah, right. 19.53.57 # Why can't we write the text into the greyscale buffer? 19.54.04 # ?? 19.54.06 # We do 19.54.37 # OK - let me put it another way. Why don't we currently get this problem? 19.54.58 # Because we only use monochrome bitmaps, and draw them in DRMODE_FG 19.55.00 # <_FireFly_> because we use 1bit bitmaps 19.55.45 # <_FireFly_> where have a pixel only two possibilities visible or not 19.56.02 # <_FireFly_> where a pixel have... 19.56.28 # All of this is of no concern if there are no overlapping elements 19.56.40 # ....but people *will* scream for background images 19.56.48 # yes i am 19.57.06 # I WANT BACKGROUND GRAPHICS !! ;) 19.57.10 # <_FireFly_> but in gray-scale or color images a pixel is always visible and you need a 1bit bitmap as mask to tell waht pixel needs to be drawn or not 19.57.10 # Mmm. Looks like my ipod has no space for a config sector... 19.57.13 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.17 # (I don't understand why, but...) 19.57.26 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-212-158-193-198.bulldogdsl.com) 19.57.43 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: many users loves eyecandy :) 19.57.53 # what is the point in having a colour screen if the background is white/black 19.58.25 # The background doesn't have to be white or black, but imho a background image makes the actual imformation harder to read/see 19.58.48 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 19.58.49 Quit Sanitarium (Remote closed the connection) 19.58.51 # <_FireFly_> it depends on the background- and font-color 19.59.27 # I think I'd like to do boxes for the H320 in Rockbox website blues with white text. 19.59.43 # Or maybe black text. 19.59.46 # <_FireFly_> that will have a good contrast 19.59.46 # And apart from that, I don't understand the purpose of a colour screen on a dap 19.59.50 # has anyone flashed their player with a H3modded version of rockbox??? 20.00.24 # Cassandra: The H3x0 default background colour *is* "rockbox blue". Black text 20.00.36 # <_FireFly_> it makes only sense if you can play videos in it but the it isn't a pure dap anymore 20.00.41 # yeps 20.00.43 # yes slghtly off white 20.01.02 # Did someone suggest writing config information to a text flle? 20.01.24 # Text + binary file 20.01.50 Quit RotAtoR ("CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2004/01/29)") 20.01.57 # amicon: Good - less work for me then. :) 20.02.31 # I do wish "Rockbox orange" would die a death though. 20.02.36 # It's such a harsh colour. 20.02.53 # Your wps should work as-is on H3x0, except if there are problems caused by the different resolution 20.02.59 # Just test in the win32 sim... 20.03.34 # Well, it'll work, but it'd be nice to make the boxes a different shade of blue, or something. 20.03.51 # If we're going to have a colour screen, we ought to be showing off with it. 20.03.58 # (Colour icons etc. too.) 20.04.26 # I don't consider that top priority 20.04.44 # First thing is to bring it on par with the H1x0 port 20.05.04 # Some things already use colour, e.g. cube.rock 20.05.06 # Me neither, but it is definitely something we should have in place before release. 20.05.16 # I like colour, but too much colour is very bad. My motorola phone has a hideous colour UI. 20.05.23 # <_FireFly_> i think it will Cassandra 20.06.00 # All WPS graphics in one BMP would make things easier concerning masking 20.06.01 # linuxstb, but the motos are themeable, and the silver theme is quite restrained. 20.06.14 # Then we could have a second BMP containing the masks 20.06.31 # ...at the same coordinates as the graphics in the first BMP 20.06.41 # I don't like lots of colour myself, but used well it can be really effective. 20.07.04 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: i'm working on it i had it already but then i had it accidentaly deleted 20.07.15 # <_FireFly_> :( 20.07.16 # Why can't you just use the background colour as your mask, amiconn? 20.07.25 # The inverse bar cursor also 'uses' colour on H3x0, as it actually complements all colours in the rectangle 20.07.29 # I think it's my day for asking stupid questions or something. 20.07.35 # So it's white text on brown background 20.07.42 # for the H300? 20.07.51 # Cassandra: Which background colour? 20.07.52 # i would much prefer to have music playing than colour UI but for later development colour screens would be nice :) 20.08.38 # me too 20.08.48 # to be honest, I prefare the black and white 20.08.49 # amiconn: So it wasn't my eyes deceiving me, the inverse bar _is_ brown... 20.08.55 # and then color pictures and games 20.08.58 # For palette images it would be easy with a background colour at least... 20.09.09 # Erm, well some file formats have a "transparency" colour specified, don't they? 20.09.11 # linuxstb: Yes it is. It's just the complemented rockbox blue 20.09.23 # no i would rather have a colour UI than colour games... 20.09.33 # Not BMP, afaik. 20.09.36 # Cassandra: Yes, but BMP does not (iirc) 20.09.38 # Cassandra: Don't you like the orange colour of Rockbox logo? 20.09.42 # I love it! 20.09.50 Nick Xavier|afk is now known as XavierGr (n=XavierGr@ppp12-adsl-80.ath.forthnet.gr) 20.09.54 # Xavier|afk, nope - absolutely hate it. 20.10.02 # its not that bad 20.10.05 # It's like visua;l assault. 20.10.14 # * amiconn disagrees 20.10.29 # amiconn, then perhaps we ought to think about implementing PNG? 20.10.47 # BMP does have custom pallette, right? 20.11.11 # If so, you could just use whatever colour 0 is as your transparency colour. 20.11.37 # cassandra: full png support is fairly large though... 20.11.51 # Hmm, that might work, but it would make the BMP loader more complex 20.12.09 # BMP as in windows bitmap? 20.12.43 # The in-ram pixel format is very different from the on-disk pixel format 20.12.54 # True, but I think it's less complex that having a seperate mask. 20.12.58 # And: what about highcolour/truecolour BMPs? 20.13.15 # BMP can use RLE compression :) 20.14.01 # also, almost nothing supports hi-color (16bit) BMPs, so you can safely skip those 20.14.09 # Huh? 20.14.23 # All BMP-handling apps I tried know and handle 16bit BMPs 20.14.51 # H3x0/ colour ipod rockbox saves screenshots as 16bit BMPs 20.14.53 # really? last time i encountered a 16bit BMP (3-4 years), only MS Paint could open it 20.14.58 # My desktop uses a bmp as background... 20.16.27 # can some one please point me in the direction of the plugin page fot the h100 series :D 20.16.27 # You could always just not support transparency for 16 bit BMPs. 20.16.42 # *for 20.16.49 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.17.09 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-212-158-193-198.bulldogdsl.com) 20.17.10 # Especially as they're likely to be background images anyway. 20.17.20 # Cassandra: Hmm, maybe. 20.17.38 # Rockbox Orange clashes with the blue, imho. 20.17.41 # There's still the most complex problem (5) 20.18.12 # What was (5) again? 20.18.19 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@norge.freeshell.ORG) 20.18.34 # Today, scrolling lines (will be changed to boxes some day) "take over" their whole rectangle. 20.18.46 # This will no longer work with a background image... 20.20.06 # Ah, yes. 20.20.09 # We coud buffer the background in the scrolling_object structure, but then we also need a method to tell the scrolling thread that the background has changed 20.20.24 # Can't you just fill the rectangle with background, and then put the text on top afterwards. 20.20.48 # Stop answering my questions before I ask them. ;) 20.20.52 # Hmm, perhaps the background image could be in a separate buffer 20.21.05 # (*one* extra buffer, screen size) 20.21.08 # Don't see why not. 20.21.24 # This should work... 20.21.33 # Then your scroll operation becomes, copy from appropriate part of background, write text on top. 20.22.00 # Yes. More bit fiddling than right now 20.22.13 # But not particularly hard, no? 20.22.18 # (bsut unaviodable afaics) 20.22.22 # *but 20.22.29 # bah 20.22.32 # * amiconn can't type 20.22.37 # *nods* I think you're right. 20.22.56 # In fact such a concept would allow having the background everywhere 20.23.02 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.36 # Couldn't you just have scrolling as an "always on top" operation. 20.24.07 # The question is how the scrolling thread knows what is behind the text 20.24.14 # Then you wouldn't even need a seperate buffer. Just make sure your scroll was the last thing you wrote before flushing the image buffer to the screen. 20.24.33 # We don't write the whole screen every scroll tick 20.24.39 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-212-158-193-198.bulldogdsl.com) 20.24.48 # That would be a huge waste, if it would work at all 20.25.10 # Scrolling isn't handled in the UI thread 20.25.22 # Right. 20.25.32 # Oh well, it was a thought. 20.25.39 # ...and if it would, I think we would have to say bye bye to smotth scrolling 20.25.49 # *smooth 20.25.53 # <_FireFly_> what about this: lcd_display_clear and lcd_display_clear_rect clears to the background 20.26.10 # <_FireFly_> background-image 20.26.15 # Maybe we could use the LCD controller to scroll. IIRC, the colour controller both the ipod and H300 use has some functions for that. 20.26.16 # Yes, if it is enabled 20.27.04 # linuxstb: The lcd controller always scrolls the whole area, it has no notion of foreground/background 20.27.29 # ..and the number of scrolling areas is limited 20.27.38 # ...to one, iirc 20.27.59 # I forgot you wanted to scroll text over a static background. 20.28.17 # We have to if we want to support background images 20.28.22 # obviously 20.35.27 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.35.48 Quit hardeep (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.36.06 Quit Acksaw () 20.38.25 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 20.40.47 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.40.51 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.50.19 # We don't need to draw twice for background image support 20.51.16 # It can be integrated with clearpixel() and the pixel block functions in the driver 20.53.59 # Imho background image handling doesn't make sense for 1bit displays. Anyone who disagrees? 20.58.40 # <_FireFly_> no it doesn't make any sense :) 21.02.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.15.25 Join S-Eata [0] (n=937c3159@labb.contactor.se) 21.15.29 # sup all 21.15.54 Quit jelle-k (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.18 Quit dpassen1 () 21.22.53 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 21.25.55 Join len0x [0] (i=user@du213-130-142-203.as15444.net) 21.28.34 Join matsl [0] (n=user@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.29.29 # preglow: Are you around? 21.37.53 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.39.17 Quit Subterranean () 21.39.30 Quit mashalla (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.43.40 Join LedFloyd [0] (n=Spiffy_V@c-67-164-200-164.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) 21.45.34 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@spc2-asht1-3-0-cust195.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 21.47.46 # would that explain why the iriver firmware leaves a white box around the track title which is the only part that scrolls?? 21.50.51 Join webguest94 [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 21.51.24 Quit bbad ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 21.51.37 Quit webguest94 (Client Quit) 21.51.57 Join Amar [0] (n=502c4c25@labb.contactor.se) 21.53.37 # <_FireFly_> yeahaa i have combined-bitmap support back :) 21.53.50 # Hmpf :/ 21.53.57 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: what 21.53.58 # No tick task support in the sims :( 21.54.08 # <_FireFly_> oh 21.54.20 # Seems I have to add that 21.56.04 # people are alive 21.56.08 # yes 21.56.18 # making good progress amiconn? 22.01.05 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.09 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-137-131.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.02.34 # brb 22.03.07 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 22.03.11 Join San||Studying [0] (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 22.05.34 Quit Sanitarium (Client Quit) 22.10.01 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 22.10.08 # anyone home? 22.10.28 # any nice dev around who may be willing to commit my wps to cvs? 22.11.56 # http://digg.com/linux_unix/SCO_to_release_a_new_type_or_mobile_order_system,_coming_to_a_deli_near_you 22.12.25 # show me WPS :) 22.14.16 # sup 22.14.42 Quit S-Eata ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.15.04 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@szgt-d9b8e2ae.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.17.26 # i'm upgrading to rockbox with modded images wish me luck 22.17.37 # Hmm, where's LinusN when you need him? ;) 22.17.41 # w00t 22.17.54 # its not dead 22.18.00 # mmm... 22.18.36 # :D :D :D 22.20.19 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.21.55 # Phillip, I actually yeally like the origional firmware now from being so long on the abstract theme 22.21.59 Nick San||Studying is now known as San (n=Test@213-202-173-19.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 22.22.29 # BTW, do you know H3mod adds extra lines to the end of the firmware to tell it where the images are when you save it? 22.22.44 # will that not mess up the patching? 22.23.40 # H3Mod overwrites the origonal images in the firmware 22.24.27 # yeah 22.24.49 # but if you have a look at the end of the firmware, you see extra lines added in by H3mod 22.24.52 # tell me the results 22.25.06 # open up a modded firmware in a text editor if you dont belive me 22.25.26 # it works fine 22.25.27 # san, i think it shoudlnt be problem since it wont change the # of the other lines 22.25.34 # but you will have a different checksum 22.25.35 # no sistorted images 22.25.44 # *distorted 22.26.05 # san, i think it shoudlnt be problem since it wont change the # of the other lines <-- It adds about 20 lines to the end of the firmware 22.26.11 Part whatboutbob 22.26.25 # how'd it go phil? 22.26.41 # absolutetly no problem 22.26.51 # cool 22.26.57 # said that three times now ;) 22.27.14 # lol 22.27.42 # oh, yeah, whats with all the crap that happens when you start the player? 22.27.54 # Its just that i only just finished http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32024 and i think it looks too good to give up :D 22.27.59 # the pixels that run down the screen 22.28.13 # so modded install worked? 22.28.15 # ??? no idea 22.28.24 # yes modded install worked 22.28.26 # 4 times a charm 22.28.27 # :D 22.28.31 # lol 22.28.44 # san: i have tried it. h3mod dean't add lines at the end here 22.28.56 # doesn't 22.29.13 # the pixels ran down the screen before i modded the images in the firmware 22.29.24 # last time i checked, it had added lines 22.30.20 # maby that was an older verson of H3mod 22.30.25 # i don't think the greek language file works properly 22.31.23 # can you create playlists 22.31.51 # no 22.32.02 # didn't think so 22.33.51 # * LedFloyd np: 9A4850EAd01 [00:00m/0Kbps/0KHz] 22.34.31 # it just goes crazy like when you try to play music 22.34.42 # yep :( 22.35.22 # lost of work needed and unfortunately i know nothing about it :( so can't help but i have tons of free time 22.36.16 # Philip: try to learn C? 22.36.24 # and think of some nice plugin we need... 22.36.41 # or if you can't code anything... try to update the manual? 22.36.50 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l04m-212-194-56-90.d4.club-internet.fr) 22.37.05 # afaik there is no nice manual for a next release (iriver buttons etc) 22.37.33 # are the buttons finalized yet ???? 22.37.43 # not sure... 22.37.45 Join hshah_ [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 22.37.55 # that's something to look at too... 22.37.59 # there is still a lot todo 22.38.07 # hey t0mas 22.38.08 # hi 22.38.10 # hows it going mate 22.38.14 # bad... 22.38.20 # oh rite :( 22.38.22 # overworking 22.38.31 # any news on that flashing backlight with the beat thing? 22.38.39 # and that's bad for my extra coding on stuff like rockbox 22.39.00 # lol 22.39.06 # ill take that as a no 22.39.10 # nope... it works here... but I haven't updated rockbox on my iriver for 5 weeks now or something 22.39.31 # and iirc it was using a lot of cpu the last time I checked... 22.39.43 # or it was flickering if I tried to use less cpu 22.40.17 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-130-168.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 22.40.22 Quit Sanitarium (Client Quit) 22.40.23 Quit matsl ("ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.776 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 22.42.50 Part Philip 22.44.13 # w00t! 22.44.20 # Tick tasks work in win32 :) 22.44.27 # Now the same for x11 22.44.31 # (easy) 22.46.09 Join Membrillo [0] (n=cb59493a@labb.contactor.se) 22.46.51 # damn, that's was an inconvenient time to fall asleep on 22.47.05 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.47.20 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.48.38 Quit Membrillo (Client Quit) 22.48.40 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 22.49.42 Quit Subterranean () 22.50.50 # preglow: Did you say that you get the "Shutting down..." message appearing on your nano? 22.51.01 # (after the idle timeout) 22.53.40 Join FingerSoup [0] (i=icechat5@S010600508df503dc.vs.shawcable.net) 22.53.45 # linuxstb: yes 22.53.55 # i've gotten it several times 22.54.00 Join webguest97 [0] (n=507e7b1e@labb.contactor.se) 22.54.27 # The reason I didn't get it on mine turned out to be that the calc_config_sector function couldn't find a sector to write the config data to. 22.54.49 # Are you in Linux at the moment? 22.55.48 Part len0x 22.56.53 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.57.54 Quit hshah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.58.04 # I've got a question regarding building a plugin - I'm looking at building one, and I need to know - what kind of stuff do I need to do to compile for testing on the simulator? ie: what kind of compile options do I need? do I just drop my source in the plugins folder and rebuild Rockbox, or do I need to edit Makefiles, etc...? 22.58.28 # It's a Connect 4 game 22.58.38 # You just need to add the name of your .c file to apps/plugins/SOURCES 22.59.01 # You may need to re-run ../tools/configure - I'm not 100% sure. 23.00.13 # Will that build it for all platforms, or do I need to specify that somewhere else? 23.00.15 # linuxstb: If calc_config_sector() can't find a usable sector, rockbox should just complain about it, but carry on otherwise 23.00.29 # If it hangs on shutdown because of that, it's a bug 23.01.43 Quit drumrboy320 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.48 # FingerSoup: Just add it to apps/plugins/SOURCES and run 'make' 23.01.53 Quit webguest97 ("CGI:IRC") 23.02.02 # linuxstb: nah, i'm not 23.02.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.02.57 Quit PaulJ (".") 23.03.27 Quit NicoFR () 23.03.44 # linuxstb: why? 23.03.53 # as you will soon see, we should redo some of our APIs 23.03.53 # amiconn: The symptoms were that my ipod would (after the idle_timeout period) display the "Save Failed. No Partition?" message. 23.03.59 # to not use unsigned char * 23.04.12 # Bagder: Why? 23.04.22 # because we have a major inconsistency 23.04.24 # I changed that message to display the value config_sector, and it was set to zero. 23.04.31 # linuxstb: Yes, but that should not stop it from shutting down 23.04.38 # so we can't avoid having _many_ typecasts 23.04.46 # to avoid gcc4 warnings 23.04.48 Join mashalla [0] (i=mashalla@p5498F62A.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.04.58 # unsigned char is better in many places 23.05.18 # well, for a pointer it is often no point 23.05.30 # and the standard ones like strcpy() et all use 'char *' 23.05.48 # In some place, when you change from unsigned to signed char, code size will increase on SH1 23.06.10 # E.g >>8 and <<8 are single instructions for unsigned, but not for signed 23.06.15 # when using pointers as function arguments? 23.06.25 # No, but within functions 23.06.32 # right, but see this: 23.06.38 # rb->snprintf(buf, 32, "elapsed time: %d secs", (elapsed_ticks + (HZ/2)) / HZ); 23.06.38 # rb->lcd_puts(0, 2, (unsigned char *)buf); 23.06.39 # ...and the pointers match the type they point to, right? 23.06.44 # a typical use 23.06.51 # that will _require_ typecasts 23.07.11 # That's the can of worms I mentioned... 23.07.22 # I mention it now 23.07.28 # Imho we should stay away from gcc 4.0+ for a very long time... 23.07.30 # the problem is our inconsitency 23.07.48 # gcc4 does have a bunch of good warnings 23.08.15 # preglow: I was curious to know what your partition table looks like on your nano. 23.09.21 # linuxstb: i think i backuped that, wait a sec 23.09.59 # preglow: If you had a button driver, you could go into the debug menu in Rockbox.... :) 23.10.28 # linuxstb: yeah, i'm going to look furhter into that afterwards if i can stay awake 23.10.33 # right now i'm into some other coding 23.10.52 # np 23.11.08 # * amiconn is messing with a ton of source files 23.11.16 # * Bagder too 23.11.30 # Hopefully we won't get a clash 23.11.30 Join webguest89 [0] (n=52e30123@labb.contactor.se) 23.11.49 # my changes are rather simple anyway 23.12.03 # linuxstb: i'm also going to start naming a ton of controller registers before my head starts spinning 23.12.15 # preglow: Good. 23.12.30 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@norge.freeshell.ORG) 23.12.42 # should i just have pp5002 and pp5020 registers share names when they've got more or less the same function? 23.12.43 # Bagder: This backlight stuff is really scattered. I hope to make the situation somewhat better 23.12.44 # Have you seen the http://ipodlinux.org/GPIO page? 23.12.45 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l04m-212-194-56-90.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.12.48 # hi there 23.13.16 # linuxstb: yes i have, that and the PP5020 page, and they look very handy indeed 23.13.17 # In fact backlight simulation (not yet for real, just as debug output) allows to share more code between targets and sims 23.13.22 # have a dumb question : how do I tell rockbox to open a specific file with a codec of mine ? 23.13.31 # preglow: I think so. I don't think we will ever want to build a "dual binary". 23.14.09 # linuxstb: not for targets that diverse, i can pERHAPS see us doing that for different revision lcds and so forth, but never chipsets 23.14.25 # Wett: You have to add support for the codec in various places. What codec is it? 23.14.59 # i'm trying to port video plugin into a codec for ihp120. It compiles but.. :D 23.15.42 # is the buffer automatically filled or do I have to do smthg about that ? 23.15.42 # linuxstb: nah, i've only got the mbr backed up, i see, i'll tell you when i'm in linux again 23.16.03 # Bagder: In fact backlight for the sims is rather simple from the target side. Instead of hardware access, there's a simple function sim_backlight(int value) 23.16.21 # Currently defined in stubs.c, but about to be moved and implemented for real 23.16.36 # neat 23.16.49 # Wett: Go to this page: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html and search for "Patch #1352575". If you then look at the changes in those files, you will see what needs to be done. 23.16.58 # ok thanks :) 23.17.01 # That patch added a new audio codec (Shorten). 23.17.09 # Otherwise the backlight code is shared. Required me to add tick task support to the sims 23.17.19 # Wett: It changes a few files, but the changes are all just a single line. 23.17.22 Quit mashalla () 23.17.46 # ok 23.18.04 # And yes, the buffer will be filled for you - so you can ignore that part. 23.18.10 Join Rince_ [0] (i=Miranda@A379a.a.pppool.de) 23.18.15 # hi 23.18.41 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC") 23.19.54 # Does my idea of ".menu" files stand any chance of making its way into CVS, or is everyone against the idea? 23.20.12 # linuxstb - i don't really see the usefulness of them... 23.20.32 # and i'd just like it implemented in a way that's slightly less hackish 23.20.43 # like not needing to move all files into a Browse files folder 23.20.48 # linuxstb: I hope you don't mind me touching config-ipod*.h ... 23.21.20 # as i asked earlier, would any nice dev commit my wps to cvs? 23.22.25 # linuxstb: Btw, I did not separate CONFIG_BACKLIGHT into HAVE_BACKLIGHT and CONFIG_BACKLIGHT 23.22.34 # Turned out to be unnecessary 23.23.00 Join trinidad [0] (n=trinidad@integratedmedicalsys.com) 23.23.29 # hello all...im new to rockbox... found the plugin index page but can't seem to find the dowload links. 23.24.04 # amiconn: Of course not - feel free :) 23.24.46 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@spc2-asht1-3-0-cust195.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 23.24.48 # trinidad: all those plugins are included with rockbox 23.24.53 # oh cool 23.24.55 # duh 23.24.57 # thanks 23.25.00 # gonna check em out now 23.25.04 # preglow: I'm not sure why you call that part of it a hack. It's just a convention for organising your hard disk. 23.26.54 # gotta reboot 23.26.57 Quit Wett () 23.28.57 # Bagder, thanks 23.28.57 # :) 23.29.06 # regarding rb->rand() - Is there a default seed, or do I need to srand() at the beginning of my plugin? If so, what is the best seed for an iriver (no RTC)? 23.29.18 # linuxstb: dunno, just seems like that part should be a proper menu, not a dir 23.29.32 Quit trinidad ("Leaving") 23.29.34 # FingerSoup: there is a default seed done 23.29.49 # linuxstb: but still, i'm all for a way of organising the layout of rockbox, i don't like it very much as is 23.30.10 # thanks 23.30.16 Quit markun (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.30.57 Join markun [0] (n=karl@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 23.32.57 # last night I wanted to listen to a bookmark which was set a few weeks ago. I tried everything but it didn't load. The Disc was spinning, but then rockbox went back to file view. 23.33.47 # is there a bug or am i using this bookmark-feature the wrong way? 23.39.36 Join iobound [0] (n=iobound@221.80-203-3.nextgentel.com) 23.40.24 Quit Amar ("CGI:IRC") 23.40.51 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-114.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.41.01 Quit webguest09 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.41.24 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l04m-212-194-56-90.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.43.25 Quit Rince_ ("bye") 23.45.58 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: ?? 23.47.08 # no 23.47.12 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: i have the bug found (wps_sb_tag %we not working on remote) 23.47.15 # useless to ask me something 23.47.25 # <_FireFly_> ;) 23.47.53 # <_FireFly_> do you want to know what the bug is or not ?? 23.47.56 # linuxstb: Does the ipod not allow physical ata power control, or do you just not want it? 23.48.21 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: it's easy to fix 23.48.29 # linuxstb, hey, remember yesterday when you said codecs get 512kb (+512kb) memory max? 23.48.56 # what about it? 23.49.15 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: in the fn gui_wps_statusbar_draw is a gui_wps->data left, which should be wps->data 23.49.17 # _FireFly_: givme the fix 23.49.27 # i think the dumb plugin would require more than that. many .mod/.s3m/.xm files are 1mb or more, and you really need to have it fully in memory to play it 23.49.50 # iobound: ahh, he was just talking about code/data size 23.49.53 # iobound: not size of the music 23.49.57 # <_FireFly_> i was a dump not to test it also for the remote and blind that i had not seen that 23.50.13 # really? i thought he said the malloc() method worked on a 512kb buffer 23.50.22 # you mean a normal programmer :) 23.50.29 # iobound: well, yeah, but we don't malloc data for the music 23.50.35 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: yepp ;) 23.50.37 # iobound: that we put in our 30meg++ mp3 buffer 23.50.54 # iobound: the biggest xm i ever saw was slightly below 30 megs, so we should be able to play most of them 23.51.03 Join webguest95 [0] (n=41760b02@labb.contactor.se) 23.51.11 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 23.51.24 # oh ok, i guess i misunderstood yesterday, i thought rbx imposed a 512kb limit on memory. 23.51.31 # nono 23.51.32 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.75) 23.51.44 # _FireFly_: gui_wps is a table :D 23.51.48 # just on size of the codec itself, not the music 23.51.55 # okay 23.51.56 # here we see how C can introduce mistakes :) 23.51.59 # !Á¶Àμ³Á¤ 23.52.16 # C doesn't introduce mistakes, programmers do 23.52.18 # iobound: we'll probably shrink the 512kb as well, right now it's that big to accomodate for the huge aac codec 23.52.33 # Jungti1234: your hanguls are ... special 23.52.43 # <_FireFly_> you shouldn't name a var the same as the struct :) 23.52.46 # which encoding isit ? 23.52.48 # :) 23.52.48 # preglow, ok, how would a codec go about accessing the huge mp3 buffer? 23.52.55 # is it read_filebuf() ? 23.53.06 # iobound: most of the accesing is done by the playback system, the codec only reads it 23.53.12 # iobound: yeah 23.53.14 # _FireFly_: ok patch applied (hard fix ^^) 23.53.25 # <_FireFly_> why hard fix ?? 23.53.33 Quit webguest95 (Client Quit) 23.53.51 # preglow, oh okay, so, uhm, request_buffer() "allocates" the big memory buffer? 23.54.00 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: or dou you joking me ?? 23.54.03 # _FireFly_: I had to find the file 23.54.08 # then open it :( 23.54.11 # That is 'Join option'. 23.54.14 # then ... find the line !!!! 23.54.16 # iobound: no, codecs don't allocate, the playback system does 23.54.27 # ok 23.54.30 # iobound: we'll need some more code in playback.c to handle stuff like mods 23.54.40 # Jungti1234: EUCKR ? 23.54.49 # alright 23.54.51 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD: argh sorry next time i will give you a street-map to find it ;) 23.54.51 # maybe. 23.55.17 # TiMiD - Sounds like rocket science. Perhaps we should hire one for that fix... :) 23.55.56 # err hire a rocket scientist. I'll shut up now :) 23.55.56 # lol 23.56.14 # #freenode 23.56.23 # just hire someone to givme aspirine, it's all taht I need right now ;) 23.56.31 # :) 23.57.09 # Gah! 23.57.09 # * _FireFly_ gives TiMiD some aspirine 23.57.50 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: what's up ?? 23.58.35 # preglow, so. uhm.. could request_buffer() be used as malloc() in a codec (nevermind it being horrible style) 23.58.56 # I wondered why my h120 win32 wouldn't link, missing a function. 23.59.00 # iobound: again, no, a codec can't save data there, only the playback system is supposed to put data there