--- Log for 24.11.105 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 19 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.06 # The LED is (mis)used as a recording indicator on archos recorders because it's a nice red LED 00.00.25 # ..so the ATA driver isn't allowed to touch the LED during recording 00.01.20 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 00.03.42 # TiMiD: Hehe, now it works but the icon is wrong. 00.03.49 # Flash disk icon :) 00.04.08 # oh yes I took the default Icon :p 00.04.18 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.04.24 # (I'm vert bad when it comes to do graphics ) 00.05.10 # I'm thinking about moving the enable / disable process for leds into the led driver 00.05.27 # ? 00.05.41 # if Iunderstand 00.05.53 # Imho it doesn't belong there 00.06.27 # ata_led_enable() is not about enabling the LED, it's about allowing the ATA driver to access the LED 00.06.34 # yes 00.06.43 # I understand that 00.07.10 # but it could also be available for other parts of the code 00.07.18 # since it doesn't costs anything ... 00.07.57 # disk_led_set_enable function in led.C 00.08.44 # It *is* available for other code. apps/recorder/recording.c uses it 00.08.45 # blocking the leds is something that belongs to the led driver 00.08.50 # yes 00.08.53 # it is available 00.09.01 # The thing is that the led is *not* blocked 00.09.05 Quit RotAtoR ("Leaving") 00.09.34 # but what I mean is that it should be more general than ata_ 00.09.51 # * amiconn doesn't get the point 00.09.53 # Why? 00.10.13 # It's the ata driver who is told not to mess with the LED. 00.10.43 # hehe we don't see the things the same way 00.10.55 Join andyat11 [0] (n=459d4d95@labb.contactor.se) 00.11.05 # Hey\ 00.11.16 # I see it more like the led code which is told not to respond 00.11.21 # (in my logic) 00.11.41 # Does anyone know how to hack the firmware on the pmp 120 (iriver) 00.12.17 # TiMiD: If you tell the LED code not to respond, how would the other app use the LED then? 00.12.23 # andyat11: it runs a uclinux on an arm7, should be "easy" enough 00.12.53 # the app that blocks the leds unblocks them 00.12.56 Join Febs [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 00.13.06 # exacly like it should be done now :) 00.13.10 # ??????? 00.13.20 # im trying to see if I can add formats etc like .swf 00.13.42 # just a function name change and a file move 00.13.54 # then see if it can be done with flash to use different controls 00.14.00 # well 00.14.02 # The app would block the led because it wants to use it exclusively, but can't access it because it's blocked. When it unblocks the LED it would also be accessible for the ata driver again 00.14.48 # right now the app tells the ata driver "hey don't use the leds" 00.15.43 # in my logic it should be more that the app tells the led "hey don't react to anything else than unblock" 00.15.54 # which is the same 00.16.08 # excepted that it's not the ata driver but theled code that does it 00.16.09 # Yes, but the how???? would the app use the LED *while* it is blocked? 00.16.25 # anyone know if rockbox will work on pmp series? 00.16.32 # andyat11: it does not 00.16.41 # andyat11: we're waiting for you to make it 00.16.52 # Shamrock Man is working on PMP firmware 00.16.52 # amiconn: did you see my H120 scan with rockbox logo on screen? 00.17.06 # amiconn: it would unblock it when the need for blocking is finished 00.17.33 # again, it's not a functionnality change 00.17.36 # TiMiD: what would the point be of changing the naming/concept/approach ? 00.17.43 # You still didn't answer *how* the app would use the LED *while* it is blocked. 00.18.06 # Blocked means inaccessible, for everyone 00.18.07 # the app doesn't use led, it's the ata driver that uses them 00.18.11 # yes 00.18.15 # inaccessible 00.18.27 # Then you really didn't get the point 00.18.47 # so what the point exactly ? 00.18.52 # recording.c forbids the ata driver to access the LED because it uses the LED for itself 00.19.01 # anyway, http://deeperthought.ena.si/imgs/ROCKbox-iHP-120.jpg 00.19.12 # oww 00.19.13 # ok 00.19.21 # then in ata driver it's fine :) 00.19.29 # Kyl3 I added him to msn or watever yahoo hes never on 00.20.01 # The only more general concept I can imagine would be to introduce LED ownership and priorities. But that would be a little over the top, imho 00.20.24 # ender`: neat 00.20.34 # I thought the reocd code wanted t stip the leds because it would maybe reduce the sound quality, like the iriver remote or smth like this 00.20.55 # yep we don't need this kind of complexity 00.21.06 # i cheated actually, that was a JPEG showing on the screen :) 00.21.18 # No it simply wants to use the red LED as a recording indication. 00.21.39 # hehe at least it's clear in my mind now :) 00.21.45 # (and i confirmed that XP x64 also crashes when trying to read the screendumps :) 00.21.46 # Flashes while recording paused, on while recording 00.21.54 # anyway, i'm off to bed 00.22.12 # I wanted also to discuss about something that I had in mind 00.22.19 # about the screen_access 00.22.38 # Kyl3 u there? 00.22.58 # currently, everything is done by screen 00.23.07 Quit tim66 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.23.27 # anyone have a pmp 120 or 140 00.23.28 # ? 00.24.08 # amiconn: is address 0 "invalid" for all current rockbox platforms? 00.24.18 # nope 00.24.24 # so apps uses the same screen and can write on the others areas 00.24.26 # seems it wont be for ipod either 00.24.38 # Depends how you define 'invalid' though 00.24.42 # I thought it would be nice to have some kind of zone defining 00.25.12 # amiconn: well, it's never invalid as such, it's kind of a pointless question, i guess, no ordinary code should write or read there anyway 00.25.15 # scrolling would be done inside a zone, no need for margins wit that 00.25.17 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.25.27 # It's an accessible address on all current platforms, but code normally shouldn't access it 00.25.34 # guys is it possible to take the firmware from the ipod and put it on the pmp? 00.25.41 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.25.42 # andyat11: no 00.25.43 # (I don't know how to explain it very well in englis ...) 00.25.48 # i know its risky but changing like clicking and that 00.25.50 # On iriver the flash starts at 0, on archos the boot ROM is located there 00.25.57 # flash starts at 0 on ipod as well 00.26.04 # but i'm going to remap it to be sram 00.26.06 # sdram 00.26.16 # Any reason for this? 00.26.25 # exception vectors are at 0 for arm 00.26.29 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 00.26.31 # but we can't manipulate them when they're in rom 00.26.41 # o ya wat about the swf can u make ur iriver recongnize that? 00.26.41 # Always at 0, no VBR? 00.26.47 # amiconn: no vbr 00.26.57 # strange concept... 00.27.03 # andyat11: why the hell would we want that? 00.27.05 # andyat11: if you write code for it, then it would be possible 00.28.31 # amiconn: well, arm tries to be as low complexity as possible, it seems 00.28.46 # amiconn: so if they can shave off some transistors by not having a vbr, that's what they'll do, and indeed, did 00.28.46 Quit Kohlriba ("Leaving") 00.29.06 # Bagder so that you can play games via flash and theres a ton of games people would love with it 00.29.23 # andyat11: we have numerous games anyway 00.29.33 # amiconn: portalplayer specific parts have some other exception vectors, but they're exclusive to the pp5020, and i thought i'd take the remap route in case we'd ever need to support pp5002 00.29.55 # speaking of which whats everyones high score in snake2 ;P 00.30.06 # besides, this route will make the code compatible with other arm targets as well 00.31.31 # Bagder? wat games??? You have games on your pmp? 00.31.32 # specific parts have some other exception vectors, but they're exclusive to the pp5020, and i thought i'd take the remap route in case we'd ever need to support pp5002 00.31.32 # speaking of which whats everyones high score in snake2 ;P 00.31.32 # besides, this route will make the code compatible with other arm targ 00.31.50 # andyat11: this is #rockbox, we speak rockbox here. Rockbox features several games. 00.32.02 # O thats wat u mean 00.32.09 # but none for pmp 00.32.19 # so port rockbox to it 00.32.33 # rockbox will work on it? 00.32.34 # should keep you busy for a while ;-) 00.32.53 # rockbox works on just about everything 00.32.59 # given enough time and effort ;-) 00.33.27 # LOL u talking to a n00b for firmwares maby not coding for sites but u get my point 00.33.40 # TiMiD: Why are there 2 statusbar_icon_*() functions left in apps/recorder/icons.c ? 00.33.52 # andyat11: yes, but you don't get mine 00.33.54 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc1fa.b.pppool.de) 00.33.56 # (all the way down) 00.35.28 # Bagder y not LOL you created it for pmp? 00.35.42 # * Bagder sighs 00.36.10 # TiMiD: Nm, found the reason 00.36.25 # olde bookmark display code... :( 00.36.27 # Badger stop confusing me LOL 00.36.34 # Bagder 00.36.38 # * preglow pats Bagder on the back 00.37.07 # andyat11: I give up, you can think whatever you please 00.37.16 # lol 00.38.38 # what do u edit these things with? 00.38.44 # .c 00.39.06 # notepad work fine? 00.39.14 # notepad works fine for everything 00.39.17 # if you're masochistic 00.39.43 # :LOL 00.39.55 # *LOOKS 20 SECONDS AND GIVES UP 00.41.58 # Ill pay someone to get this working for me 00.42.13 # approx 100-200 00.42.33 # per hour I presume 00.42.43 # LOL sry 00.43.02 # unless it takes 1 hour 00.44.24 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 00.45.23 # nah, fulltime and enough docs, it shouldn't take more than a number of months 00.45.29 # well ill start donating to rockbox if they start creating it for iriver pmp 00.45.53 Quit Kyl3 () 00.46.05 # donate an actual pmp unit, and we'll start talking 00.46.23 # its a TI arm so no docs 00.46.44 # ahahah 00.46.53 # ti are really nice people 00.46.58 # oh yes 00.47.26 # preglow u a firmware coder on this site? 00.47.38 # yeah 00.47.46 # nice good job 00.47.49 # thanks 00.48.16 # well mistic river id be they'll chip in for ya guys 00.48.24 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 00.48.28 # how much u guys got so far for 1 00.48.38 # bet*^^ 00.49.11 # you don't make sense 00.49.32 # badger? 00.49.39 # where? here? 00.49.41 # what did you just ask? 00.49.41 # * preglow runs 00.49.56 # how much money we have 00.50.11 # how much have u guys been donated for the pmp 120 or 140 00.50.21 # i have no idea 00.50.24 # we don't just need a player 00.50.28 # we accept donations in general 00.50.31 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 00.50.34 # not FOR any specific player 00.50.37 # we need someone with the skills and want to do the port 00.50.39 Join morpheousx [0] (n=45b12005@labb.contactor.se) 00.50.52 # if you find someone with a unit, and someone with the skills, then hell, perhaps you'll see rockbox on pmp 00.50.52 # anyone around? 00.51.10 # morpheousx: yeah 00.51.15 # 62 of us. 00.52.31 # mrf. 00.52.40 # * amiconn hates making stoopid mistakes 00.53.25 # preglow y dont u do this instead use ur own money to buy pmp then once u fix the script sell it for like 10 each then ull make more money 00.53.40 # andyat11: you call rockbox a _script_? 00.53.54 # LOL preglow 00.53.59 # guns, sunrise, tomorrow 00.54.10 # hahaha 00.54.16 # LOL I sumetimes glurt out things 00.54.23 # blurt 00.54.29 # without reading 00.54.36 # *ha* 00.54.46 # andyat11: well, doing a port requires a massive amount of time 00.54.53 # how the heck do u shout like the * say ur ugly 00.54.58 # andyat11: doing a pmp port will probably be very, very hard 00.55.24 # o 00.55.30 # well i g2g 00.55.36 # maby come back tomarrow 00.55.36 # isnt ShamrockMan from MR already doin a PMP firmware? 00.55.37 # aight 00.55.40 # I have a FUJITSU laptop hdd i took from my creative mps player,i wanted to use it in my laptop,the hdd is 40gigs,the mp3 player won't work anymore so i figured i'd use it in my laptop but i think it' locked, the bios in my dell laptop does'nt see it and when i try to put in my winxp cd, it says that there is no hdd found,then winxp reboots and my laptop goes to a screen where it says the hdd is password protected 00.55.47 Quit andyat11 ("CGI:IRC") 00.56.20 # it sounds like a lock 00.56.25 # hmm... 00.56.31 # yeah,what i fiured 00.56.52 # * Bagder recall the old days of rockbox fun 00.57.18 # any software anyone can reccomend? 00.57.18 # Zagor wasted a whole series of hard drives that way ;-) 00.58.12 # I don't think the software is the problem. The problem is to get your hands on a password to unlock it 00.58.33 # well..this laptop was'ntmeant for a pc 00.58.52 # it came out of a creative mps player 00.59.14 # mp3 player* 00.59.34 # I think it works like an xbox hdd 01.00.14 # so i guess i'm out of luck? 01.00.26 # it doesn't matter 01.00.26 # a lock, if it is a lock, is at ATA level 01.00.38 # one question 01.00.50 # I ran ontrack on it 01.01.02 # and it says that there is no hdd 01.01.16 # would a locked hdd hide itself ? 01.01.34 # i thought it would atleast see the hdd 01.03.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.13 # and for obvious reasons there isn't just a big red button to unlock it 01.04.13 # you need to send the proper password to it to unlock 01.04.18 # enough for now, my bed is calling... 01.04.18 # * Bagder runs off 01.06.56 Part bobwise 01.07.08 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.07.56 Join iCe21_00 [0] (i=iCe21_00@CPE0014bf0994ec-CM0014e8b5a1d6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 01.08.26 Quit morpheousx ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.11.40 # Fix for remote disk icon on iriver committed. 01.12.17 # Now it would be nice if someone could design a nice little disk icon (size 12x7 pixel) 01.13.26 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.15.12 Quit perplexity (Excess Flood) 01.16.54 # sure rasher hasn't already got one? 01.17.12 # right, 12x7 01.17.41 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-157-39-233.bna.bellsouth.net) 01.20.34 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de23559.alshamil.net.ae) 01.31.50 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 01.35.16 # what file is the remote usb hex again? 01.35.37 Join Stu3 [0] (n=Stu3@203-217-54-37.dyn.iinet.net.au) 01.37.54 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.39.45 # preglow: The ipod has no ata led? 01.39.50 # amiconn: no leds at all 01.40.19 # What about adding a virtual LED to the status bar then, like on Ondio and (now actually working) iriver remote? 01.40.35 # guys - you know where the usb remote logo is? 01.40.36 # i think that sounds great 01.40.38 # what file is it in? 01.40.58 # preglow: It's now just a matter of adding a #define to config-ipod*.h 01.41.19 # amiconn: currently it's got an equivalant in the ondio flash softled, yes? 01.41.46 # I added a basic HD icon 01.42.03 # at least i get a flash icon at disk accesses now 01.42.10 # (in fact I sort-of reinstated this icon, it was used before we had the flash disk icon) 01.42.29 # you do? 01.42.36 # yeah, i get one at bootup 01.42.39 # then it goes away 01.44.10 # I was surprised that the iPod nano uses the (disk) ata driver, although it is flash based 01.44.41 # yup, me too 01.44.46 # but relieved :) 01.45.23 # Heh, after all I think the Ondio MMC driver was fun to implement (although I thought different back then), and I learned a lot 01.45.34 # of course 01.45.41 # but there's more than enough to be done for this port already 01.45.48 # so i'm pretty glad i don't have to mess with that 01.46.14 # Now there is the problem that the flash disk icon would be more appropriate on nano 01.46.51 # ....but direct checks for platform are discouraged 01.47.36 # you know, i think a disk icon will do just fine 01.47.47 Quit iCe21_00 () 01.48.08 # TiMiD - which file is the remote usb hex in again? 01.48.12 # it doesn't really matter, for ondio i think it's more appropriate, after all, there is a practical difference, the user _knows_ that he's dealing with flash memory 01.48.57 # Yeah, it's even extendable 01.50.03 # Mhm, no _Firefly_ 01.50.23 # The rwps loader seems to have a bug 01.50.44 # After loading an .rwps, I got periodic bursts of static during mp3 playback 01.50.51 # A reboot fixed that 01.50.59 # ouch 01.54.08 # * amiconn is puzzled 01.54.58 # Maybe there's a different gcc version used for the iPod builds? 01.55.11 # Different from archos targets that is 01.55.40 # 3.4.4 01.55.43 # Should've gotten the same warnings & yellow for Ondio as the ones for iPod 01.55.48 # Hokey 01.56.04 # there are such differences, some times 01.56.17 # Maybe I should build myself arm-elf-gcc, just to check such things 01.56.21 # amiconn / preglow do you know? 01.59.01 # The virtual LED is already enabled for iPod builds 02.00.16 # Fixed the Wiki. I linked to IriverBoot on the IriverPort page for the H300 bootloader... took me like tries 02.01.08 Quit CBM-away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.01.43 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 02.05.31 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s208a.studby.ntnu.no) 02.07.54 Quit CBM-away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.08.49 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 02.13.07 Part drumrboy 02.14.31 # hmm 02.14.55 Join drumrboy [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 02.15.04 # do you think the software and hardware eq should be able to operate together? 02.15.41 # Do you mean the audio codec treble/bass settings? 02.15.47 # If so, why not? 02.16.17 # just wondering how to handle the prescale in that case 02.16.36 # Which prescale? 02.17.27 # like you do with the audio codec one, if you amp up a band, there's a prescaler you can apply to the audio to gain it down before the eq, then you gain it up afterwards with the main volume control 02.17.31 # The prescale in the UDA is applied to the digital data output of the CPU, so it only depends on the UDA treble & bass setting 02.17.31 # to prevent clipping 02.17.49 # we'll need a software prescale for the software eq as well, i guess 02.17.58 # Prescaling for the EQ has to be done within the EQ code 02.18.02 # yeah 02.18.08 # it's just an extra mul. no biggie 02.18.24 # i think i'll add an overall gain control to the eq anyway 02.18.42 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.19.08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-70-114-192-167.houston.res.rr.com) 02.19.10 # Btw, I'm thinking about removing the code part that corrects the main volume to account for lowering the prescaler with increasing bass/treble 02.19.11 # it'll be really fun to see how this eq performs 02.19.19 # This would have 2 advantages 02.19.31 # (1) it would simplify the code. 02.19.57 # so when you boost bass, what in reality happens is you lower the rest of the spectrum instead? 02.20.04 # (2) The volume would be always be lowered when boosting bass or treble, not only above a certain threshold 02.20.40 # that is what would happen, right? 02.21.13 # This means that (a) you'll immediately notice that bass boost means a volume tradeoff and (b) the volume scale stays dB-linear instead of being limited aboce a certain value 02.21.20 # i don't think that makes sense at all 02.21.27 # that's not what people will expect from using an eq 02.21.38 # i'd rather just do it the iriver way 02.22.01 # i actually think it'll cause even more complaints and clueless users than what we currently do 02.22.07 # Right now there's the effect that with bass fully boosted, it doesn't matter whether you set the volume to 83 or 100, it's exactly the same output 02.22.13 # yup 02.22.19 # and i think that's got to go as well 02.22.33 # i think i basically just want what iriver does, it's what everyone else does 02.22.41 # Well we can't have everything 02.22.43 # i'm tired of people nagging about it 02.22.44 Join hshah_ [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 02.22.45 # We have 3 options 02.22.51 # if they can't hear the clipping, let them have it 02.23.36 # That's not one of the options 02.24.07 # but ok, what are the options? 02.24.17 Join Paul_The_Nerd_ [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-70-114-192-167.houston.res.rr.com) 02.24.24 # I know how that sounds. Even 4 dB boost made up for *horrible* clipping 02.24.31 # yup 02.24.54 # but you'd be surprised how many people can't hear clipping 02.25.06 # Huh? 02.25.21 # I agree that people might not able to hear *slight* clipping 02.25.21 # i've even met people who think 64kbps mp3s sound just peachy, heh 02.25.44 # yeah, and the degree of clipping depends much on what music you listen to 02.25.58 # a lot of current music has already been clipped heavily in mastering and production 02.26.00 # Here are the options: (1) Leave it as-is (2) Implement my suggestion to leave out the volume correction (3) reduce bass & treble boost at high volume 02.26.18 # isn't 3 currently what we do? 02.26.23 # ahh, no 02.26.26 # i'm confused 02.26.28 # Currently I'd vote for (2), because of the volume "platform" occuring witjh (1) 02.26.30 # It's the opposite. 02.27.02 # i don't like 2 at all, it doesn't do what all other eqs on the planet currently do 02.27.16 # I'd vote for 3. 02.27.17 # (3) is imho bad because our treble & bass scales are calibrated (in dB) while the volume scale is not (percent) 02.27.23 # (Not that my vote counts for anything.) 02.27.31 # amiconn: yeah, but you can get a rough estimate 02.27.34 # but anyway 02.27.39 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 02.27.44 # like i said, i just want the settings to be what they are, clipping or not 02.28.00 # i don't like software to guess what i want 02.28.01 # If you leave it out, people can manually recreate the effect just by altering the values by hand, right? 02.28.12 # The thing is that 90% volume is always 90% of what is possible, but if we reduce a 12 dB bass boost to e.g. 6 dB the display value is clearly wrong 02.28.22 # By leaving it out, you basically increase the level of user control, and the choice to screw up sound becomes their own, no? 02.29.05 # Yeah, and then some clever guy performs a sound quality comparison.... Noooo, I'd say 02.29.15 # i'd like the software to prescale/volume fix the audio if the level is low enough for it to work, if not, i want the treble and bass settings to be left alone, and let the clipping commence 02.29.52 # not all audio will clip either, you know 02.30.07 # if I happen to know there's enough headroom in this track for eq to work with no clip, i don't wont rockbox to correct me 02.30.14 # s/wont/want/ 02.30.25 # I'm pretty sure almost all audio will clip. 24 dB is a lot 02.30.38 # 24 db will clip, yes, but there are 12 step inbetween 02.30.51 # and i have albums where a 10 db gain will go with no clip 02.30.54 # an extreme example, granted 02.31.20 # my point is still this: i know better than rockbox, and i don't want it correcting me 02.31.57 # You may know better than rockbox, but I bet many users don't 02.32.13 # well, no, but they're perfectly capable of dealing with it anyway 02.32.16 # if it sounds bad, they fix it 02.32.33 # the concept of 'overload' is pretty widespread, so most people will know what happened and decrease volume 02.32.39 # Imho it's better to avoid bad sound 02.32.52 # Isn't there a middle ground? Scale back bass boost as volume is increased, but not on a 1:1 basis. 02.33.02 # i don't think the firmware should allow clipping 02.33.06 # i think people should def. have an option... 02.33.07 # i just want rockbox eq to work like any other eq i've ever used 02.33.07 # nor do I 02.33.11 # E.g., at full volume, bass is scaled lower than 24dB but not to 0. 02.33.14 # if i overdrive it, then there's clipping 02.33.26 # you already see how confused people are when we don't act like they expect we will 02.33.35 # and in this area, i so no point in not conforming to their expectations 02.33.47 # ok, make an advanced version and a n00b version 02.34.05 # people who understand shouldnt have to suffer for less advanced users 02.34.10 # but in any case, i think a poll/voting session would do nicely here 02.34.28 # we can do it in mistic river, if wanted ill start a poll 02.34.29 # Imho bad sound will cause a bad rockbox experience 02.34.53 # Unfortunately, I think that many MR users would not even understand what the poll was asking. 02.34.56 # We could do like iriver, provided we have a mechanism to display what's happening 02.35.20 # well, we might as well try, im actually curious... ill add a "wtf is clipping" option 02.35.25 # Remember that you're talking about the same user base that asks what the difference is between "base" and "trebbel." 02.35.29 # amiconn: we could have some kind of 'imminent overdrive' indicator, but i think it'd only be useful for this one thing 02.35.45 # true 02.35.46 # ...or give up dB scaling in favor for a vague treble/bass adjustment in percent 02.36.02 # (which I wouldn't want) 02.36.02 # but anyway 02.36.59 # all other eqs (i've seen) work like iriver's, and i can't ever having seen someone complain about them clipping 02.37.02 # i like drummrboys idea of having a setting entry: avoid clipping: yes/no 02.37.08 # PaulJ: i'd like to avoid settings 02.37.27 # another point in favour of my approach, is that all volume/eq combinations can be realised with it, not so with amiconn's 02.37.31 # Btw, regarding the argument 'some music won't clip because of its low level': Isn't that compensated for when using replaygain? 02.37.48 # amiconn: not necessarily, replaygain doesn't always normalise audio to peak level 02.37.56 # amiconn: it depends on the replaygain scanner used 02.38.25 # Ah, yes, it tries to normalise perceived volume 02.38.26 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.38.27 # as a matter of fact, it's a rare occasion the time you see a file replaygained to 0 db 02.38.30 # amiconn: exactly 02.38.49 # * amiconn never uses replaygain 02.38.57 # amiconn: in most cases i've stumbled across, replaygain actually applied negative gain, so it's kind of a moot point 02.38.57 # Well, isn't there already a "prevent clipping" setting under replaygain? 02.39.39 Quit hshah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.39.43 # Paul_The_Nerd_: that's for replaygain 02.39.48 # and that shouldn't be used usually 02.40.02 # that's only for preventing the preamp from overdoing things 02.40.07 # The MAS3587 and MAS3539 have an AVC feature that normalises the peak level 02.40.47 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32320 02.40.52 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32320 02.40.57 # I'm just saying that the setting already exists. You've been talking about preventing clipping elsewhere, could there be a global "prevent clipping" option that performed both sorts of functions? 02.41.19 # drumrboy: that doesn't mention an eq anywhere 02.41.22 # * Paul_The_Nerd_ shrugs 02.41.24 # im not sure if thats what we were going for, but i made it anyway ;) 02.41.33 # haha, idk, i was bored 02.41.36 # I don't think it is. 02.41.38 # drummrboy:why haven't you started teh poll in the general rockbox forum? 02.42.21 # * markun is reading neuros irc logs 02.42.24 # Paul_The_Nerd_: well, perhaps, but again, i'd rather we didn't have an option 02.42.41 # rockbox already has too many options for most people 02.42.46 # Some things really surprise me: "Video CODECs are not possible to implement on the ARM." 02.42.48 # oh, i guess i didnt even thinkk aout it given i have an h300 so... if DT id here, it can get moved 02.42.50 # I'm just offering up further ideas if a compromise is needed 02.43.07 # markun: my PMP-120 has an ARM CPU and it plays video 02.43.14 # I'm personally in favor of "Give the users as much freedom over the sound, and let them screw it up if they want." 02.43.22 # drumrboy, I think it should be deleted. If we're going to poll users, some thought needs to be put into the poll. 02.43.23 # a CPU can do anything if it's powerful enough and is programmed to do something 02.43.25 # DreamTactix291: it also has a TI dsp which probably does the video decoding 02.43.29 # DreamTactix291: I also know it's possible :) 02.43.32 Nick drumrboy is now known as Drumrboy}{Away (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 02.43.48 # My Nintendo DS has an ARM processor, and there's video in games for it. 02.43.57 # I believe it's an ARM of some sort 02.43.57 # true 02.44.00 # well, of course it's possible :) 02.44.01 # it is 02.44.07 # Paul_The_Nerd_: ds has a 33mhz arm 02.44.09 # so is GBA 02.44.21 # The DS is only 33mhz? 02.44.23 # yup 02.44.27 # iirc My Tungsten T3 has 400MHz Arm. 02.44.27 # Wow 02.44.37 # The H3xx 120MHz colfire CPU also plays video.. 02.44.37 # i thought DS was 66 02.44.39 # and GBA was 33 02.44.42 # the PSP has 333, i got a DS and PSP 02.44.43 # haha 02.45.02 # well, the DS has dual chips iirc 02.45.05 # The PSP also has a really bad looking screen that seems to fade too slow 02.45.12 # I see a lot of ghosting when I've played on 'em. 02.45.14 # forget me 02.45.16 # how do you mean? 02.45.18 # it's got a 67mhz cpu as well 02.45.23 # it's actually got two arm cores 02.45.28 # one 67 and one 33 02.45.31 # oh, i have never once noticed that problem 02.45.32 # yeah 02.45.33 # one of them is the same as the one in ipod 02.45.39 # I've seen it on at least 4 PSPs 02.45.52 # I'm wondering what speed we could get ffmpeg to decode mpeg4 files on a 200mhz with a res of 320x240 02.46.08 # the only screen problem i've had is dead pixels... i have 4 minor 02.46.09 # It has some ARM assembly 02.46.24 # markun: well, at least i look forward to seeing you try it out :) 02.46.26 # What I don't get is that all the 3D DS games I've played have had Antialiasing, but NO texture filtering 02.46.29 # and it is quite possibly just the game that you were playing 02.46.30 # Generally you expect the opposite. 02.47.14 # for example, ridge racer blurs alot to give a sense of speed 02.47.17 # Naah, Drumrboy, three different games have done it: Untold Legends, Darkstalkers, and... I'm not really sure what the other was. It was at a store unit for that one. 02.47.30 # It's not an intentional blur. It's slow pixel fading/refresh/change. 02.47.40 # preglow: I'm looking forward to have ANY code running on it :) (the Gigabeat, which btw will be send to me tomorrow) 02.47.42 # i see then.. ive never noticed that, but i am assuming your right ;) 02.47.46 # * Paul_The_Nerd_ shrugs 02.47.54 # markun: let's just hope getting code onto it will be easy 02.47.59 # It may not happen on all 02.48.04 # markun: at least i've got some crt0.S code for you to use :) 02.48.10 # I could've just had bad luck, or picked the wrong games, or be overly sensitive 02.48.23 # nite all 02.48.25 # Cya 02.48.51 # preglow: yes, a lot of the iriver port will help me a lot 02.49.20 # well, yeah, and ipod port 02.49.43 # preglow: There is a update.sh linux binary, which I suspect is being executed when updating 02.49.58 # yes, ipod was what I wanted to say :) 02.50.22 # but I'm off to sleep now 02.50.26 # good night all 02.50.27 # at least portions of crt0.S and threading will do you nicely 02.50.28 # night 02.56.34 # so what are the odds of video after music on the h300 02.58.51 # depends on who's willing to work on it 02.59.03 # you can pretty much count me out 02.59.17 # since i haven't got an h3x0 or interest in video 02.59.18 # heh 03.03.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.35 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.08.41 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.10.58 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@p54A7DF48.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.12.28 Quit Benacool (Client Quit) 03.13.50 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 03.14.53 # Hello there 03.15.26 # Hello 03.15.28 # why, hi 03.16.38 # If I think to had found a possible bug in the H300 loader is it there I say it ?? 03.16.57 # just say it here first 03.17.00 # so we can see if it's a known bug 03.17.40 # When you plug the player to charge it with the wall adapter is it normal that it boot on the stock firmware and not on rockbox ? 03.18.21 # hmm, don't know 03.18.26 # haven't heard that before 03.18.30 # ok lol 03.19.50 # someone can talk about this to Linus ? 03.20.37 # he might read the logs himself 03.20.41 # but i'll mention it if i can remember it 03.20.52 # okay I thinked of that after i press enter lol... 03.21.00 # ok 03.21.17 # its normal 03.21.33 # since Rockbox cant tetect the AC adapter yet 03.21.38 # detect* 03.22.18 # ok ... 03.22.40 # thanks 03.22.55 Join Febs [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 03.24.30 # Febs: What happened with the ABX test and the guy that will pass through it? 03.26.50 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d020065.adsl.hansenet.de) 03.27.39 # I haven't had time to put together the clips for him to do it. 03.27.55 # Incidentally, did you get the clip I sent you? 03.28.04 # ah okay then, just interested to know the results 03.28.07 # yes 03.28.14 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.22 # well I made a mistake with my mic when I tested 03.28.23 # That was recorded with RB firmware and the gain at about 3. 03.28.44 # I used the line-in instead the external-mic option in iriver fw? 03.28.47 # really 03.28.48 # ? 03.29.12 # Yes. Of course, it was a VERY loud pit orchestra. 03.29.23 # I can't get a loud signal in rockbox (or iriver) line-in 03.29.33 # even with 24db gain 03.29.43 # external mic option on iriver works well though 03.30.03 # That is strange. 03.30.35 # probably I will get to test it again with one person that I know that has exactly the same mic, just to be sure. 03.30.56 # I will send you clip from tonight's rehearsal. 03.31.10 # it is a grand piano with a guitar. 03.31.31 # recorded at iriver fw external mic option and volume set to 20 (maximum) 03.32.06 # the distance is about 2 meters from both instruments 03.33.01 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.33.45 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 03.38.04 Quit solexx_ (Connection timed out) 03.45.02 # night all 03.45.05 Nick hshah_ is now known as hshah (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 03.45.23 Nick hshah is now known as hshah|sleeping (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 03.45.57 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.46.09 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-157-39-233.bna.bellsouth.net) 03.51.25 Quit Paul_The_Nerd_ ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 03.53.50 Quit PaulJ (".") 03.54.03 # Febs mail sent, please tell me your opinion about the levels. 03.55.06 Join iCe21_00 [0] (i=iCe21_00@CPE0014bf0994ec-CM0014e8b5a1d6.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 03.57.47 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 03.58.57 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp11-adsl-10.ath.forthnet.gr) 04.01.13 # that dead syndrome needs to be fixed with the next bootloader update 04.02.53 # XavierGr, the levels do seem a little low. I'm judging just by how much of the noise floor I can hear relative to the music. 04.03.15 # I don't have an audio editor on this computer, but will look at with one tomorrow. 04.03.19 # there sound now? 04.03.30 # Kyl3, no. Different conversation. 04.03.37 # oh 04.03.54 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-70-114-192-167.houston.res.rr.com) 04.04.06 # XavierGr, were you recording in a large room? 04.04.16 # Kyl3: linus did listen to music on his h3x0 today... 04.04.29 # yes it is the place where the concert will take place 04.04.42 # not so big though 04.04.42 # good news then 04.04.52 # 100-150 persons and it is closed 04.05.00 # after music someone can fix the dead syndrome 04.05.06 # Can someone explain or link me to the differences in terms of progress between a boot loader and daily builds 04.05.23 # I could tell it was something bigger than, say, a room in someone's house. 04.05.27 # where the hd spins up and the lcd doesnt turn on and u have to reset it 04.05.47 # Very nice playing by the way. 04.05.54 # :) thanks. 04.06.58 # iCe21_00: what do you want to know? 04.06.58 # what do you play? 04.07.27 # classical guitar 04.08.16 # nice 04.08.24 # I just wanted to know what the differences between the bootloader and the dailybuilds are in terms of progress, 04.09.20 # basically here's my understanding 04.09.26 # if the bootloader works it works 04.09.40 # the daily builds are where the actual program code is 04.09.50 # the bootloader is what allows the firmware to boot period 04.10.16 # but what makes the overall player more stable, the daily builds or an updated bootloader 04.10.31 # or do they both control different things in terms of stability 04.12.47 # The stability is mostly in the daily builds 04.13.03 # The bootloader is almost a Yes/No thing. "Yes it works, or no, sorry, it's a brick." 04.13.56 # The daily build portion is loaded by the bootloader, and it actually *does* the work. (Sound, User Interface, etc is there) and the daily build portion *shouldn't* be able to ever permanently harm your player 04.14.15 # so you know how the H300 firmware is "for developpers only right now" with this status more likely to change with more updates in the daily builds or with an updated bootloader 04.14.30 # is this status* 04.14.31 # Daily Builds primarily 04.14.36 # k 04.14.41 # I hear there *may* be a bug in the bootloader right now 04.14.41 # thats the answer i was looking for 04.14.46 # thanks paul 04.14.47 # I'd wait on installing it for the moment 04.14.52 # yeah 04.14.55 # I'm holding off 04.14.57 # there are bugs in the bootloader 04.15.13 # there seems to be some hardware we didn't know about, for one 04.15.16 # But all the progress for functionality is in the daily build. 04.15.57 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.16.26 # So basically once the bootloader has been "mastered" its really more the updates that make the player more stable 04.16.37 # pretty much 04.17.06 # alright 04.17.08 # thanks guys 04.17.19 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.75) 04.18.37 # is there anywhere to view what has been fixed/updated/added/ in the version of the daily build 04.18.52 # it's listed everytime there's a change 04.19.03 # there's a changelog you can check daily on the daily builds page 04.19.09 # If you look at the front page, it tells anything that's changed 04.19.32 # yeah that too 04.19.52 # yea 04.19.53 # I found it 04.19.57 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml <-- lists them back a long time back too 04.20.29 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.20.34 Join Febs_ [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 04.20.44 Nick Febs_ is now known as Febs (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 04.23.08 Join Noel_sad_song [0] (n=c87ec44a@labb.contactor.se) 04.27.53 # hey guys, whats with the .bin file 04.28.02 # what does it do/for 04.28.54 # I believe the .bin file is for patching the firmware if you want to do it yourself rather than using fwpatcher. But don't quote me on it. 04.29.57 # why would you want to do that instead of user the fwpatcher (the only thing I could think of is to tweak the code to customize it?) 04.30.19 # That, and the fwpatcher doesn't support all versions of the firmware 04.30.36 # oh yea? 04.30.40 # didnt know that 04.30.46 # which ones doesnt it support 04.30.57 # Mainly older versions. Version numbers prior to the current. 04.31.14 # rgr 04.31.22 # Also, fwpatcher.exe is a windows application. 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10.05.20 # yup, was afraid that i would have to buy another one to continue developing 10.05.31 # i have no idea what caused it 10.07.26 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@141.71.4.189) 10.08.16 # hmm 10.11.42 # re 10.11.59 # DreamTactix291 nice pix on your webspace ;) 10.12.12 # thanks 10.13.22 Join mashalla [0] (n=davidm@linux77.eikon.e-technik.tu-muenchen.de) 10.13.38 # servus 10.13.47 # i'm going to end up having to do a hard drive upgrade on my H140 soon the way i keep adding music to my collection :) 10.13.49 Quit Slasheri (Read error: 128 (Network is unreachable)) 10.14.12 # i am just selling a 60gb toshiba drive.. 10.14.28 # really? 10.15.06 # http://tinyurl.com/e3s39 10.16.10 # i see 10.16.15 # interesting 10.16.22 # i haven't filled mine up yet 10.16.28 # so i'm thinking of waiting for an 80GB 10.16.54 # muesli-: why do you sell it? 10.17.00 # if i threw my lossless collection i'd need an 80GB at least just for that. but i use Vorbis -q6 so i get by with a lot smaller 10.17.06 # "due change on a 340"? 10.17.11 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 10.17.35 # now you great guy have completed the h300 bootloader i am keen on a h320 ;) 10.17.40 # have 10.18.11 # ah 10.19.03 # Linus: what was the hardest codec to port over in your opinion so far? 10.24.56 # DreamTactix291: the codecs doesn't need porting 10.25.19 # i layed music on my h300 last night 10.25.21 # played 10.25.30 # i'm guessing libmpc or libfaad 10.25.58 # ah, i misunderstood your question 10.26.04 # Oh you meant to h300.. 10.26.08 # LinusN: Through a hack or by actually getting the DAC driver working? 10.26.19 # Or not - so which is it? 10.26.46 Join webguest28 [0] (n=5106d7e1@labb.contactor.se) 10.26.58 # snarf: i haven't been involved in the codec porting, so i don't really know 10.27.24 # aliask: i got the dac working, but the button driver problem persists... 10.27.45 # The button issue while the CPU is boosted? 10.27.50 # yes 10.28.06 Quit novimon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.28.14 # Argh, thats pretty much all that's stopping me from putting rockbox on my H300 10.28.23 # That, and I left my USB cable at school. 10.28.28 # I meant to ask DreamTactix what he meant by porting - to h300, or to Rockbox 10.29.20 Quit webguest28 (Client Quit) 10.29.24 # DreamTactix291: so? 10.29.55 # btw, the button driver issue seems to be a nasty one 10.31.27 # Well, if it is any help, it must be possible (somehow)... the folks at iRiver got it going. 10.31.42 Join novimon [0] (n=novimon@a84-230-230-239.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 10.31.43 # i don't know if they run it at 124MHz 10.32.01 # What are the available increments? 10.32.15 # 11/48/120? 10.32.24 # we can set it to just about any frequency 10.32.46 # Oh, well thats cool. What freq. do the problems start appearing? 10.33.06 Quit Amar ("CGI:IRC") 10.33.10 # i haven't experimented with that yet 10.33.41 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 10.33.58 Nick aliask is now known as aliask|away (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.36.04 # hi 10.36.35 # does rockbox allow u to play an entire directroy (and sub dirs) without making a playlist first? 10.37.08 # Rockbox only plays playlists 10.37.09 # Linus: i meant on the H100 originally 10.37.32 # You don't have to save it to a file first though.. 10.37.49 # JdGordon: you can create it more or less on the fly fairly easily. just hold 'navi' on the toplevel directory and then insert it. if the player's not playing, there won't be a playlist yet 10.38.02 # ok 10.38.23 # iirc, there's also a 'continue to next directory' mode 10.38.30 # DreamTactix: from looking from the sideline, I think libmpc and libfaad then 10.38.38 # iirc? 10.38.47 # that was my guess too 10.38.55 # but best to ask the people who had to do it you know :) 10.39.07 # muesli-: "IIRC" == "if i recall correctly" 10.39.18 # ah mk ;) 10.39.28 # i abandoned musepack a long time ago when GT3b2 originally came around 10.39.53 # Preglow or linuxstb should know, then.. 10.39.56 # LinusN: Did your near-brick-experience happen after you made a lot of changes, or do you think the problem might also be in the current builds? 10.40.37 # muesli-: i saw yesterday in the logs that you were returning some Koss headphones, can i ask what model they were? 10.40.46 # ksc 35 10.42.33 # but i cant recommend them 10.42.54 # your ears will hurt within short time 10.43.12 # sound is ok, but bass is too low for me 10.43.25 # and too mute too 10.45.41 # muesli-: My Koss PortaPro started to sound a dull, then I cut a little hole in the foam and now they are quite ok again. 10.46.17 # portapro and ksc 35 are using the same driver 10.46.39 # but those ksc have very less pressure to your ear 10.46.52 Nick Vlad0man is now known as Vladoman (n=Vladoman@p54A7DF48.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.47.28 # cushioning is very low..thus they are quite mute and loads of sound will get lost 10.48.06 Join Slasheri [0] (i=miipekk@ihme.org) 10.54.55 Quit snarf (Remote closed the connection) 10.55.12 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 11.01.31 Quit Slasheri (Read error: 145 (Connection timed out)) 11.03.19 Join Polo_o [0] (n=polo_o@82-69-160-166.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 11.03.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.04.50 # i bought some ksc75 and i am getting the same problem muesli-: too much sound escape. I think i am going to stick to my ex71s 11.05.11 Nick aliask|away is now known as aliask (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.10.13 # JdGordon, make sure that you have "Recursively insert directories" set to ON if you want to include subdirectories. 11.10.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu#Recursively_Insert_Directory 11.10.30 # ok, kewl 11.10.32 # thanx 11.11.12 # has any progress been made on the audio for the h300 in the last few days?? (ive been away from comp for too long :D ) 11.11.47 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l03m-212-194-103-107.d4.club-internet.fr) 11.13.04 # JdGordon, read the log from about 45 minutes ago. LinusN played music last night. 11.13.13 # aweseom 11.14.56 # does linus sleep sometimes ? 11.15.09 # occasionally 11.15.12 # On rare occasions. 11.15.13 # robots don't sleep 11.15.34 # i dream of electric sheep 11.15.43 Join bobTHC [0] (n=bobthc@l04m-62-34-29-104.d1.club-internet.fr) 11.15.54 # oh, it helps. I guess sometimes you debug in your dreams too 11.16.03 # hi folks ! 11.16.46 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-27.dynamic.qsc.de) 11.16.50 # Hey, I have a spare box that I was thinking about setting up as a rockbox/learning box, what distro of linux do you guys reccomend? 11.17.04 # * B4gder likes debian 11.17.21 # but for a newbie, I'm not sure that is a good choice 11.17.37 # Are you serious? Debian is the only linux I could ever figure out. 11.17.47 # * B4gder is grown up on unix 11.17.54 # * bobTHC likes ubuntu 11.18.03 # aliask: it doesn't matter too much which distro you use, since you end up building a complete cross-compiler anyway, so the devel environment is fairly self contained. 11.18.18 # Do you have to do it from source? 11.18.42 # yes 11.18.42 # Thats one of the things I don't like about linux, having to do most things from source. Sometimes you just can't be bothered. 11.18.48 # aliask: someone could probably send you precompiled binaries, but i don't know of any specific official source for an m68k or sh targeted compiler 11.18.51 # source is power 11.18.52 # B4gder: so you're not a grown up otherwise ;-) 11.19.01 # :) 11.19.07 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.19.08 # Cheapshot :) 11.19.18 # LinusN: people would probably say I'm not grown-up in any area... 11.19.39 # aliask: i avoid source pretty easily pretty much all the time, but the cross compiler's a fairly specialized target, it's not necessarily worth a distro's time to compile cross compilers for all potential targets 11.19.43 # ooooh 11.19.45 # not that I know any "people" 11.19.50 # got h300 going now? nice (: 11.20.08 Part mashalla ("Kopete 0.10 : http://kopete.kde.org") 11.24.45 # LinusN: Any more info concerning the button driver prob? 11.25.05 # nope 11.25.23 # it is probably not related to the button driver at all 11.26.41 # What happens? 11.30.23 # ah, solved it 11.30.34 # * LinusN blames amiconn 11.30.41 # huh? 11.30.43 # you can blame me too ;-) 11.30.52 # the PLL was overclocked 11.30.54 # I'm fine with you blaming people other than me. 11.31.02 # * LinusN blames aliask 11.31.03 # ill take some blame also if it speeds up development :D 11.31.06 # Nooooo 11.31.37 # So what, the CPU was just going too fast to catch the interrupts or something? 11.31.45 # amiconn: fvco max is 400MHz 11.32.01 # I know, and I checked my calculations several times 11.32.17 # I chose fvo as little above fmin as possible 11.32.23 # *fvco 11.32.31 # fmin is 200MHz 11.32.50 # for 124mhz, you set vcodiv to 86 and plldiv to 2 11.33.49 # 11289600*88/2 = 496742400 11.34.15 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 11.36.10 # LinusN: I'll check again... I wanna know where I went wrong 11.36.53 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de23559.alshamil.net.ae) 11.45.27 # LinusN: Fin is 11289600/2, not 11289600 11.46.01 Join muesli|tarn [0] (n=muesli_t@141.71.4.189) 11.46.10 Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.46.25 # So my calculations are correct 11.46.38 # CRSEL = 1 means Fin = Fxtal/2 11.46.39 # saw that too :-( 11.47.04 # damn 11.50.10 Join lamed [0] (n=50e671d2@labb.contactor.se) 11.50.34 # Btw, if that would really have been the cause, why should it have worked on H1x0 then? 11.51.20 # wow! looking at the logs, i've managed to register to the irc client through the site's web-client, using google's wap convertor through my nokia 3100! 11.51.31 # no talking/reading though. 11.52.13 Quit CoCoLUS ("changing servers") 11.53.20 Join CoCoLUS [0] (n=coco@h081217139221.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) 11.54.03 # xaviergr_ , here? 11.54.46 # amiconn: a lot of my h100, and the h300 has a sticker on the CPU, saying "120" 11.56.05 # i wonder if that means that the cpu is rated to 120mhz, despite it being a bga...? 11.56.54 Join Slasher [0] (i=miipekk@ihme.org) 11.59.46 # yawn.. 12.01.14 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.05.38 # HCl: morning 12.07.04 # hi 12.07.06 # :/ 12.07.14 # sup? 12.08.17 # LinusN i dream of electric sheep ;-) i suggest for you Everything You Always Wanted to Know About Sex * But Were Afraid to Ask 12.08.18 # ;) 12.08.28 # HCl: I bought a Gigabeat player to port rockbox to it 12.08.42 # .-) 12.09.11 # it contains a nice sheep scene ;) 12.09.23 # i see 12.09.33 Quit DMJC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.41 # I have a radio play of "Traeumen Androiden" on my iriver :) 12.09.59 # * HCl goes to make breakfast.. 12.10.02 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.12.52 # is there any way i can get solitaire on my h340? 12.13.20 # markun: sweet, which version did you get? 12.13.31 # F40 12.13.56 # I would have prefered a X30 or F41, but well.. 12.13.57 # whats the screen like? and the controls? 12.15.34 # is there any way i can get solitaire on my h340? 12.15.42 # ??? 12.16.03 # ghode|afk: I don't have it yet. It should leave the UK today 12.16.17 # Zak1392: yes, run the solitaire plugin 12.16.31 # it's not yet ported to the h300 though 12.16.35 # is the f40 the newer thiner version? 12.16.45 # linus: how? 12.16.53 # how to port it? 12.17.04 # yeah, i think... 12.17.22 # The gigabeat can switch between landscape and portraid use. Would be cool to have the same feature in rockbox 12.17.30 # well, it uses grayscale bitmaps, so you'll have to convert them to color 12.17.51 # do i have to? 12.17.55 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.17.59 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.18.05 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.18.26 # Zak1392: your other choice is to wait for someone else to do it 12.18.49 # where can i dl it? 12.18.55 # solitaire 12.19.08 # ghode|afk: no, the F41 has the 1 platter HD (and is thinner than the F20) 12.19.10 # it's in the rockbox daily build 12.19.17 # okay 12.19.37 # ah ok, which website did you order from? 12.19.47 # ebay.nl :) 12.20.32 # It's a 2nd hand unit. 12.20.35 # hehe 12.21.09 # He got it as a present, almost never used it and wanted to buy a car mp3 player. 12.21.47 # i hope it arrives ok 12.23.01 # it's pretty useless for me without rockbox. Can only be used in windows (which I don't have) and doesn't play Ogg (which is all I have) 12.23.43 # ah, so good motivation to get rbx ported then :) 12.24.11 # yes, a very good motivation 12.25.02 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@220-245-176-174-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 12.29.23 # Is there anyone who I can ask really dumb questions about C programming to? 12.30.11 # depends how big the question is. 12.30.15 # may as well ask here 12.30.42 # aliask: if in doubt --> /j ##C 12.30.43 # :D 12.31.05 # Well, its just that I'm learning it by making plugins for rockbox, so I might have a lot. But first things first, is there a Wiki page or something that documents the rb api? 12.32.47 Join webguest09 [0] (n=522e39b4@labb.contactor.se) 12.33.00 # there's the plugin.h header file 12.33.11 # and lots of existing plugins as examples 12.33.25 # Ok, I'll take a wade through there to start off. 12.35.31 Nick paugh is now known as CogentCaffeine (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 12.35.57 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@host213-123-154-169.in-addr.btopenworld.com) 12.42.00 # Zak1392, LinusN: The solitaire plugin does work on H300, even in colour, it's just not being built by default 12.43.28 # The cards are really tiny though, that's a thing I want to look into 12.43.32 # whats the solatraie plugin named in the list? i dont c it 12.43.46 Quit Lynx_ (" reboot") 12.43.46 # (making the cards scale to the lcd res) 12.46.56 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.46.56 # JdGordon, it should be named Solitaire: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginSolitaire 12.47.54 # when i run solitaire it freezes when i press start 12.49.35 # on a 1xx? 12.49.44 # h340 12.49.49 # ah ok 12.50.50 # how much matters hdd consumption? 12.50.52 # amiconn: what build did you download. (what model) 12.51.07 # MK2008GAL vs MK6006GAH vs MK4007GAL 12.51.08 # Power Consumption: 12.51.08 # Start 1.8watts - 1.2watts - 1.8watts 12.51.08 DBUG Enqueued KICK muesli|tarn 12.51.08 # Seeking 1.1watts - 1.4watts - 1.15watts 12.51.09 # Reading 1.0watts - 1.4watts - 1.1watts 12.51.09 *** Alert Mode level 1 12.51.09 # Writing 1.0watts - 1.4watts - 1.1watts 12.51.11 # Idle 0.4watts - 0.6watts - 0.4watts 12.51.13 # Standby 0.12watts - 0.2watts - 0.12watts 12.51.15 # Sleep 0.07watts - 0.08watts- 0.07watts 12.52.26 # Zak1392: None; I don't even have a H300. I've enabled solitaire in my local cvs working copy so it gets built 12.52.33 # I tried it in the H300 simulator 12.55.05 # --------------------------- 12.55.05 # rockboxui.exe - Bad Image 12.55.05 # --------------------------- 12.55.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK Zak1392 12.55.05 # The application or DLL C:\Documents and Settings\Zachary Keeping\Desktop\New Folder (9)\Simulation\archos\.rockbox\rocks\solitaire.rock is not a valid Windows image. Please check this against your installation diskette. 12.55.05 # --------------------------- 12.55.06 *** Alert Mode level 2 12.55.06 # OK 12.55.08 # --------------------------- 12.55.23 # i get that when i run anything in the h300 simulator 12.55.33 # I get that as well when I try to run plugins in the sim. 12.55.40 # Strange... 12.55.47 # Works perfectly here 12.56.08 # ??? 12.57.44 # what is your sim like? (directories and stuff) 12.57.51 # @amiconn 13.01.56 # amiconn: could you upload the solitaire.rock file? 13.02.15 Quit CogentCaffeine ("gwan oot") 13.03.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.03.50 Join Kaggen [0] (n=kaggen@nl-67-197.netlogon.liu.se) 13.05.07 *** Alert Mode OFF 13.08.17 # Kaggen i better give you no translation of your nick ;) 13.08.48 # :] 13.12.35 # Zak1392: I hope you're not trying to ru the solitaire.rock from your H340 in the Windows Sim? 13.13.22 # The simulators don't run the same rocks - you need to use the rocks that are compiled to run in the sim. 13.17.43 Quit muesli|tarn ("ich will Kühe!!!") 13.24.45 Quit Drumrboy}{Away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.11 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3026.gwdg.de) 13.29.43 # muesli|tarn: Well, alot of names can be funny in different languages, me real name Anders is slightly funny in german. (Ich bin Anders :-)) 13.32.10 Part ashridah ("Leaving") 13.32.28 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-134.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.35.36 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.67 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]") 13.46.09 Join webguest18 [0] (n=d4886a7e@labb.contactor.se) 13.47.18 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.47.45 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.49.46 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.54.31 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=icechat5@pd95b7c08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.57.53 Quit Zak1392 () 14.01.21 # <_FireFly_> amiconn is the bug(when loading rwps-files and mp3-playback) only when you load a rwps-file ?? because rwps and wps-files are loaded from the same function 14.02.27 # <_FireFly_> only the pointer to wps_data struct changes depending to the wps-screen in wich the file/data-buffer should be loaded/displayed 14.03.58 # <_FireFly_> so i have no clue how this bug is only triggered when loading rwps-files 14.10.21 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 14.10.56 Join mashalla [0] (i=mashalla@p5498D975.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.12.52 Quit webguest18 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.14.25 Quit mashalla (Client Quit) 14.21.02 # <_FireFly_> btw i have locally a slightly modfied wps-loader running which reduces the ram-usage of the wps-format-data. 14.22.38 # <_FireFly_> This loader reads the wps-file line-by-line and lines with following tags didn't gets into the format-buffer: %x,%xl,%we,%wd 14.23.06 # <_FireFly_> and also comment-lines 14.23.32 # <_FireFly_> so i could reduce the used space in the format-buffer ca. by half for my wps. 14.25.00 # hmm, i can't run the h300 reliably above 90mhz... 14.25.17 # time to connect the logic analyzer 14.26.44 # Hmm, enough voltage for the cpu? 14.26.48 # LinusN, the BDM might not like high speeds? 14.26.58 # i'm not running the bdm 14.27.28 # hmm... 14.27.50 # In that case there might be a pheripheral device that does not like the bus freq at 45MHz? 14.28.12 # LinusN: so the CPU might be the reason for the booting problem? 14.28.21 # nope 14.28.29 # nah, don't think it boot at naything above 11mhz 14.28.35 # the boot runs at 45mhz 14.28.43 # ah 14.29.04 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=dom@nat-ph3-wh.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 14.29.11 # i think i'll cap it at 90mhz for now, just to enjoy the music :-) 14.29.20 # should run just nicely anyway 14.29.27 # it does 14.29.29 # but the timer might end up inaccurate 14.29.33 # no 14.29.37 # Otherwise it's good idea to try and find where it hangs 14.29.42 # LinusN: then hooray! 14.29.45 # Kaggen: of course 14.30.07 # well, it was kinda obvious, sorry :-) 14.30.13 # but it could be nice for the progress-thirsty h300 crowd to run rockbox 14.31.07 # but how does rockboy work on h300? i thought it runs at 120 MHz 14.31.25 # it does 14.31.39 # but not on all players, and not every time 14.31.45 # the BGA package for coldfire allows 140MHz, the QFP allow 120MHz 14.32.02 # Kaggen: yes, i don't think the frequency itself is the problem 14.32.20 # strangely enough, most of my players have a sticker on the cpu, saying "120" 14.32.23 # you have music working on 300 series? 14.32.28 # DMJC: yes 14.32.30 # haha 14.32.40 # be hillarious if they ring me tomorrow to say they have it in 14.32.44 # perhaps iriver got them cheap :> 14.33.08 # it'll be like.. well I sat on my iriver busting it... but the replacement 300 runs rockbox anyway.. 14.33.09 # score 14.33.24 # when i set it to 120mhz, the tick counter goes like wild, and the button driver gives me all 0's 14.33.39 # does H300 have a proper clock? 14.33.40 # huh!?! 14.33.42 # LinusN: that's that not the problem you see at all clocks above 90? 14.33.48 # DMJC: an rtc, yes 14.33.59 # nice 14.34.02 # preglow: i see it above 90mhz 14.34.12 # weird... 14.34.15 Join uncledrax [0] (i=uncledra@ppp115-181.static.internode.on.net) 14.34.17 # well 14.34.21 # i say just cap it for now 14.34.26 # indeed, but i hope there's a perfectly good explanation 14.34.34 # even if there's not, it's no biggie 14.34.39 # Hmm, i got something like that behaviour on h140 too when i changed the gcc optimization settings.. 14.34.40 # 90mhz should be enough for our needs 14.34.52 # at least the button driver went wild :) 14.35.12 # Were is the code running from? SDRAM or FLASH might give timing problems if set up to aggressive. 14.35.13 # bbs 14.35.15 Join tucoz [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 14.35.29 # sdram 14.35.40 # i believe the sdram is the same as in h1x0 14.35.44 # same type as on the h100 14.36.01 # but 32MB? 14.36.04 # yea 14.36.08 # both have that 14.36.08 # LinusN: congrats on the sound progress. No "Gentlemen" post this time? Or is that per cpu perhaps. 14.36.10 # and the sdram is mostly idling 14.36.13 # only h110 has 16mb 14.36.21 # LinusN: probably you could try increasing the waitstates if not already tried :) 14.36.33 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 57 seconds at the last flood 14.36.33 # * B4gder expects a "gentlemen" mail 14.36.43 # B4gder: absolutely 14.37.24 # * preglow hopes he'll be able to send one of those one day... 14.37.37 # :-) 14.37.40 # But if the SDRAM was at fault, alot more stuff would break than the internal timer and GPIO (well, they don't break at all) 14.38.22 # B4gder: i'll just have to put Machinae Supremacy on the player first :-) 14.38.38 # As I am quite satisfied with my h120 these days, I think I'll stick with it until I read the nano-sound mail :) 14.39.21 # yeah, i'm very satisfied with it myself 14.39.50 # and will be until warmer times, when i no longer have a high capacity jacket pocket to lug it around in 14.40.15 # <_FireFly_> ;) 14.40.27 # hehe 14.40.55 # The nano is really impressive in terms of looks and size. 14.41.01 # yup 14.41.05 # the internals are pretty nice as well 14.41.09 # 2x100mhz arm 14.41.12 # and 128kb iram 14.42.05 # plus 8kb cache for each cpu 14.42.13 # wish it was possible to configure it to only do code :/ 14.42.43 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@220-245-176-174-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 14.43.05 # hehe, yes. I came to think of that a couple of days ago. I bought my first walkman in 1989, and that was one of the first really compact ones. I do not think I could imagine what the future would bring 15 years later. 14.44.40 # As hardisks, mp3's and so forth were that common those days. 14.44.54 # weren't, i take it? ;) 14.45.07 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-134-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.45.08 # hehe, the webclient hides what I write :) 14.45.16 # they were common 14.45.17 # mp3 wasn't even invented, i _think_ i had seen a floppy disk 14.45.20 # just 1mb in size.. 14.45.27 # preglow, no Amiga? 14.45.40 # i think i was fiddling around with a c64 those days 14.45.53 # i was eight year old at the time, so... 14.46.23 # * B4gder reads "Gentlemen" 14.46.42 # I remember a 3.5" floppy costed 15sek back then 14.46.52 # or maybe more 14.46.57 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 14.47.44 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 14.47.55 Quit _FireFly_ ("REALITY.SYS Corrupted: Re-boot universe? (Y/N/Q)") 14.48.36 # I remember back to amiga 14.48.49 # yes, that was fun. 14.48.54 # i never had one :/ 14.48.54 # had a c-64 but that was when amiga was already out 14.49.03 # though i had more than ample fun with it 14.49.06 Quit webguest09 ("CGI:IRC") 14.49.12 # was about 5 at the time 14.49.14 # 4/5 14.49.15 # i would probably never be coding today if it wasn't for good old c64 14.49.28 # actually I think we had the C-64 before I was born 14.49.33 # what year did they release? 14.49.36 Join webguest09 [0] (n=522e39b4@labb.contactor.se) 14.49.40 # 1982 or something 14.49.44 # yeah 14.49.54 # before I existed heh 14.50.18 # august 1982 14.50.52 # oh, i just did exist then 14.50.57 # but wasn't exactly capable of much 14.50.58 # my next machine was when I was 8/9? 14.51.06 # oh wait 14.51.13 # 9/10 14.51.15 # heh 14.51.15 # I think I played on a intellivision in 1982 14.51.22 Quit webguest09 (Client Quit) 14.51.30 # my cousin had an amstrad 14.52.47 # bye bye for now 14.52.53 Part tucoz 14.55.41 # LinusN, I just saw your message on the mailing list, and just wanted to say congratulations on your progress and thanks for all your hard work. 14.58.44 Join _DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 15.03.41 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46A3D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.03.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.08.47 Join Nixsos [0] (n=Nixsos@i62009.upc-i.chello.nl) 15.08.56 # If use wps in newest rock box firmware, become off. 15.12.02 # Who is seeing? 15.13.11 # What do you mean? 15.13.18 Part Kaggen 15.13.59 # If use wps in new rockbox firmware, system turns off. 15.14.10 # new version 15.14.36 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.14.48 # It's H300's firmware. 15.14.56 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.15.53 # I still don't understand. A WPS is *always* in use while playing music. 15.16.07 # ah sorry 15.16.39 # It's wps file. 15.16.53 # Heya 15.17.44 # Jungti1234, there is *always* a WPS file in use while you are playing music. But since H300 Rockbox does not yet play music, this is a moot point. 15.17.47 # If use rockbox firmware of new version, when use wps file, system turns off. 15.18.25 # Hey guys, im looking for the hacked firmware to run rockbox, where can i get it? 15.18.31 # I'm sorry because do not English. 15.18.47 # DJDD, what do you mean, "hacked firmware." 15.18.48 # <_FireFly_> DJDD_: which device ?? 15.18.53 # H140 15.19.03 # <_FireFly_> What os do you use ?? 15.19.21 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort?topic=ManualRockboxInstall 15.19.24 # winXP 15.19.29 # <_FireFly_> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 15.19.33 # awesome, thanks 15.21.51 # Jungti1234, you should wait until for a more stable version of H300 Rockbox. 15.22.04 # The current version is for developers only. 15.22.14 # -_- hey.. 15.22.34 # I know it. 15.22.46 # Ok, i've DLed the rockbox firmware and the bootloader builder. How do i build it from there? I can't make full sence of the manual 15.23.22 # What can't you understand? The link I directed you to explains it step by step. 15.23.44 # Febs: You may not speak repeating it painfully. :) 15.24.17 # Jungti1234, my last comment was directed to DJDD. 15.24.42 # [23:21] Jungti1234, you should wait until for a more stable version of H300 Rockbox. <- this 15.25.06 # I don't know what command line to use to patch the firmware 15.25.22 # <_FireFly_> use the fwpatcher util 15.25.53 # DJDD, read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualRockboxInstall 15.26.23 # hmmm, it seems like the lcd waitstates have something to do with the instability 15.26.28 # DJDD_ > where are u from ? 15.27.05 # aussie 15.28.32 # ok, done 15.29.18 # Next 15.29.24 # The java database builder 15.29.33 # LinusN: oh? 15.29.53 # LinusN: how can that influence the tick timer? 15.31.39 # Linus is on lunch now. 15.32.14 # oops 15.32.35 # hehe 15.33.15 Join gadasi [0] (n=d33a593d@labb.contactor.se) 15.33.29 # hi 15.33.35 # hi gadasi haha 15.33.53 # It's me. 15.34.40 # finally I had entered this place. 15.35.02 # where is developer? 15.35.22 # Everybody are developer. 15.35.34 # hmm.... 15.35.55 # many people are existed.... 15.36.14 # :-) 15.36.55 # He is Korean. 15.37.11 # i just noticed it :) 15.37.35 Quit gadasi (Client Quit) 15.37.36 Join gadasi [0] (n=d33a593d@labb.contactor.se) 15.37.37 # good night 15.37.40 # bye 15.37.49 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye Bye~ http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 15.37.51 # see you tommorrow 15.38.45 # here is 11:40 pm... in korea. 15.40.02 # I I and jingti1234 are always appreciation for developer's efforts... 15.40.16 # I and jingti1234 are always appreciation for developer's efforts... 15.40.31 # I and jingti1234 are always appreciation for developer's efforts... 15.42.36 # hmm, with double waitstates i can play music at 124mhz, but only for a while 15.43.04 # but in my hope... firmware which is playing the music will be relased... if possible ... 15.43.09 # suddenly the button driver gets a 0x00 from the adc, and sends a BUTTON_OFF 15.43.45 # <^BeN^> what is the problem with 124mhz 15.43.45 # <^BeN^> ? 15.43.52 # i wish i knew 15.43.52 # something 15.44.11 # <^BeN^> =\ 15.46.24 # in tommorow i will be back....please do a good job. 15.46.35 # %u314E%u314E 15.46.39 # ^^ 15.46.50 # bye~~~ developers 15.47.18 Quit gadasi ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.48.25 # those koreans are funny 15.48.57 # i like the sudden bursts of funnily encoded hangul best 15.49.13 # indeed, they are :D 15.53.48 Join Drumrboy|away [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 15.57.32 Quit DJDD_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.57.41 # LinusN: The CPUs with the "120" sticker on them... if this really means 120 MHZ, do you think overclocking by 3% could be a problem? 15.57.55 # i don't think so 15.58.21 # The next lower setting possible for correct timer would then be 112.89 MHz 15.58.28 # (x10) 15.58.32 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: have you read my question ?? 15.58.34 # i tried the 10, 9 and 8 multipliers 15.58.39 # 8 worked 15.58.42 # 90mhz 15.58.48 # Yes, read that 15.59.06 # _FireFly_: I don't know whether it happens for normal .wps as well 15.59.19 # doubling the lcd waitstates gives pretty reliable operation at 124mhz 15.59.31 # but not entirely 15.59.44 # I just added an .rwps yesterday (cloned my standard .wps for it), loaded it, then resumed playback 15.59.55 # This resulted in periodic bursts of static 16.00.04 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: the problem should also happen for normal .wps files if there us a problem in the wps-loader 16.00.04 # Rebooting fixed the problem 16.00.12 # <_FireFly_> s/us/is 16.00.36 # LinusN: Btw, I suspected the LCD wait states were too short... 16.01.19 # Iirc the timing is similar to the flash ROM, so LCD should use the same wait states 16.01.24 # (H1x0 LCD that is) 16.01.25 # yes they are, and we use a slow mode in the lcd itself 16.01.47 # Didn't look at the datasheet for the H300 LCD 16.01.49 # amiconn: the h100 lcd waitstates are fine tuned 16.01.49 Join webguest85 [0] (n=d5654809@labb.contactor.se) 16.02.19 # must say, very very goood job on the h3xx Linus ! 16.02.29 # on that lcd it's the delay between accesses that is critical 16.02.35 # webguest85: thx 16.02.58 # and a question, is it possible to get the rockboy screen to full ? 16.03.11 # yes i believe so 16.03.19 # good:d 16.03.30 # Yes, and there is an additional nop in the LCD driver which is hampering performance at 45 MHz and 11 MHz 16.03.31 # rockbox is optimized for the h100 16.03.42 # yup 16.03.54 # Would it be possible to remove this nop and increase the waitstates at 124 MHz a bit? 16.03.57 # is it hard to get the games and other stuff to colour? 16.04.09 # amiconn: should work 16.04.36 # webguest85: i don't know 16.05.07 # webguest85: Rockboy is rather slow. Upscaling to full screen would make it even slower 16.05.16 # im really impressed on your work :D 16.05.25 # especially on the slow h300 lcd... 16.05.31 # YEAH I WAS JUST THINKING ABOUT THAT :d 16.05.43 # SORRY ABOUT CAPS LOCK 16.05.43 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.06.03 # so the lcd is slow? 16.06.04 # i suspect that the frequency issue is a port pin collision or something 16.06.04 Quit Kohlrabi ("Leaving") 16.06.17 # yes it's slow 16.06.46 # but it would be possible to increase the speed on rockboy later on ? 16.06.49 # webguest85: yes, it's possible, but that means stretching it, which wont look pretty 16.07.05 # LinusN: What is this slow vs. fast mode? Is there a reason why we can't use the fast mode? 16.07.11 # preglow: it is shrunk today 16.07.21 # LinusN: no. 16.07.27 # LinusN: well, yeah, but that wont mean much for the width 16.07.32 # LinusN: which isn't shrunk 16.07.33 # amiconn: not really, we have to make sure we transfer the data in multiples of 4 words 16.07.35 # rockboy on H300 uses exactly 160x128 px 16.07.46 Join webguest94 [0] (n=3a4d514b@labb.contactor.se) 16.08.21 # LinusN: Looks like a task for me... ;) 16.08.30 # Some neat optimised asm... 16.08.35 # yup 16.08.48 # just read about the problem you got when trying to play music on the h3xx linus, seams to be a big problem at the moment :S 16.09.02 Quit webguest94 (Client Quit) 16.09.02 # Reading from framebuffer using burst mode and write to lcd in fast mode 16.09.32 # amiconn: the cycle time is 150ns in normal mode and 100ns in fast mode 16.11.20 # So you need 9 wait states at 124 MHz ? 16.12.04 # (normal mode) 16.15.08 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: what do you mean mit resumed playback ? has you paused the playback when loading the rwps ?? 16.19.42 Join Mongey [0] (n=5347090a@labb.contactor.se) 16.20.18 Join Mongey| [0] (n=mongeyc@83-71-9-10.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net) 16.20.46 Quit Mongey (Client Quit) 16.21.04 # _FireFly_: No, I stopped playback, loaded the .rwps, then resumed 16.21.18 # <_FireFly_> k 16.21.42 # <_FireFly_> have you only this problem with mp3-files ?? 16.22.27 # _FireFly_: you don't even have to play music 16.22.36 # just boost the frequency 16.22.45 # oh, ignore me 16.23.11 # LinusN: How many waitstates are you using now? 16.23.46 # 9 16.24.28 # <_FireFly_> i can't reproduce it 16.25.17 # <_FireFly_> i never had this problem 16.25.35 # <_FireFly_> neither with my unofficial remote-patch and with the new wps-code 16.25.42 # <_FireFly_> s/and/nor 16.25.53 # I can try again in the evening. It happened when loading the first .rwps ever, so transition from default to mine 16.25.57 # (no images) 16.26.08 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.26.27 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.26.35 # LinusN: Perhaps some port pins need slower timing? 16.27.03 # What about i2c, is rockbox bit-banging? 16.27.09 # perhaps, or perhaps a collision makes the edges slow 16.27.25 # the button adc is bit-banged 16.27.45 # but i have slowed it down to a crawl, with the same results 16.28.07 # Any specific reason? The coldfire does have integrated i2c controllers afair 16.28.36 # the reason is of course that the pcd50606 is connected to port pins and not the i2c controller 16.29.22 # Ah ok. Strange disgn imho... 16.29.30 # *design 16.29.30 # i think so too 16.29.41 # the uda1380 is connected to the i2c controller though 16.30.15 # and the fm tuner on the h100 as well, but the missing clk pullup forces us to bitbang anyway 16.30.32 # Well, i2c is a bus... 16.30.46 # tell that to them 16.30.52 # ...and afaik on archos there is more than one chip connected to the same i2c 16.30.58 # (RTC and MAS) 16.31.27 # latency becomes a problem pretty quickly 16.31.30 # but it depends, of course 16.32.27 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 16.34.03 Quit webguest85 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.39.06 # LinusN: Sorry for pestering again, but there are still no windows installer builds... 16.44.35 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 16.44.39 # btw, amiconn and i differ on how we think the eq should behave. his suggestion is to lower the volume automatically as a side effect of applying gain with the eq, so there is no chance of clipping happening ever. i think there should be no gain changes when applying eq, so that the eq will clip if you're using high volume, but it doesn't steal the possibility of doing so if you know what you're doing either. anyone else have any opinions on this? 16.45.02 # currently the eq uses some hybrid where it only lowers volume if it's too high to not possibly cause clipping 16.47.19 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@141.71.4.189) 16.47.27 # weeeh 16.47.34 # i want to be able to "overdrive" the gain, but I want to know where the limit is 16.48.02 # so i don't have to tweak blindly 16.48.04 # yeah, we also discussed an indicator of some kind 16.48.11 # but i don't know how that should look 16.48.31 # the problem is that volume is adjusted in percent, while eq uses db 16.48.34 # once upon a time i suggested a volume control that went above 100% 16.48.36 # so we can only define some rough limit 16.48.41 # LinusN: i want that as well 16.48.42 # Yes, it should be able to have some sort of indicator for that. Like a ! next to the volume control 16.48.52 # but it'll have to be software for iriver 16.48.58 # i'm doing a software gain control for the eq anyway 16.49.02 # but i would very mush prefer a dB volume control 16.49.29 # yeah, me too 16.49.34 # not impossible either 16.49.41 # then there's no doubt where the limit is 16.49.57 # let's just ditch the entire uda volume control and use a software one :> 16.50.03 # :-) 16.50.06 # it's just a couple of instructions extra per sample, heh 16.52.30 Join merbanan [0] (i=banan@dalink.campus.luth.se) 16.53.16 # but yeah, i believe this will be more important when my parametric eq is finished 16.53.28 # you can define pretty narrow bands with high gains, and still be pretty sure it'll never clip 16.53.36 # but always prescaling the volume down wont give you that choice 16.53.46 # and i think it's silly for a firmware like rockbox to limit the users choices 16.54.34 # by looking at the number of options currently available, that seems like a true statement. 16.54.43 # exactly 16.54.53 # we haven't taken that route before, so i don't see why we should now 16.55.13 # As it is, after all, a dap 16.56.06 # at least i know i'd be pretty pissed if i did a 12 db gain in one band, just to have the entire volume scaled down by 12db to compensate for the nearly impossible clip 16.56.46 # we never know how large the possibility of clipping is, se we have to gain everything down by 12db to compensate for the worst case 16.57.00 # s/pissed/pissed off/ :) 16.57.26 # LinusN: My point is that allowing overdrive will lead to distortion, i.e. bad sound 16.57.40 # of course 16.57.49 # s/will/could/ 16.57.51 # There are those clever guys trying to compare sound quality without having a clue what they're doing 16.58.26 # we do that on the archos recorder today 16.58.26 # yeah, but i don't see why we should adjust our firmware to suit them 16.58.34 # LinusN: Not really. 16.58.50 # For one, I never made the archos recorder clip noticeably 16.58.51 # we've never been about winning usability tests 16.58.57 # afaik 16.59.20 # amiconn: Isn't that what it's been like all the time. A lot of people do not understand how rockbox behaves as it is now 16.59.26 # ...unlike the UDA which clips horribly even at 4dB gain with no prescaling 16.59.27 # in any case, i want the iriver algorithm for clipping prevention 16.59.48 # Read last night's log 16.59.56 # you mean just capping treble and boost when it gets too high? 17.00.25 # If we reduce bass & treble with increasing volume, this means our settings values are lying 17.00.28 # i'd just like it to clip horribly, but i'd also like an indicator that this might happen. i have no idea how this should be implemented, though 17.00.39 # amiconn: they are lying today too 17.01.26 # Imho not as much, and even that can be avoided. Bass & treble are in dB, so if we reduce them, the value doesn't match reality 17.01.39 # but even 17.01.59 # i want the best sound, and i think lowering the bass at high volume is the better choice 17.01.59 # imagine a five band eq, if you prescale the whole audio band to compensate for a small gain in one band 17.02.03 # that just doesn't make sense 17.02.06 # However, volume is in percent, and that's not a 'calibrated' unit, it's just the percentage of the possible maximum 17.02.18 # i want db volume as well :-) 17.02.43 # Then this will become even more difficult... 17.03.30 # my way isn't difficult at all :) 17.03.49 # it's the easiest possible, and simultaneously the one that is most logical, hooray for me 17.03.50 # btw, do silent tracks clip horribly at 4db gain too? 17.03.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.36 # Do you suggest AVC? 17.04.53 # no 17.05.23 # Digital clipping is bad both for ears and for equipment 17.05.38 # it's bad for tweeters, not equipment 17.05.48 # it's just that "will clip horribly" is not the absolute truth 17.05.51 # and it's bad for ears only if you use too loud a volume generally 17.06.08 # "might clip horribly" is a better choice of words 17.06.16 # Of course, and with lower volume there will be no clipping 17.06.23 # yup 17.06.41 # but anyway 17.06.56 # the only point in this i care about: i know better than rockbox, and i don't want it making my choices for me 17.06.57 # I like the idea of a clipping indicator. 17.07.13 # that makes for a _very_ frustrating user experience 17.07.32 # as you can already see from the masses of confused users of the current eq behaviour 17.07.39 # I have a wireless in-ear monitor system for on-stage performance. I has a clipping indicator. Easy to use--the indicator lights up, turn the volume down. 17.07.48 # LinusN: On second thought, the archos does clip with boosted bass or treble _and_ volume above 92, but that seems to be analog clipping 17.07.49 # I/It 17.07.58 # amiconn: it's digital 17.08.01 # Febs: The problem is how to indicate clipping 17.08.07 # Febs: problem is we can't decide strictly when clipping occurs 17.08.15 # and what amiconn says 17.08.31 # LinusN: The volume control of the mas is split into a digital and an analog part, says the datasheet 17.08.48 # it's almost certainly a digital eq 17.09.45 # ah 17.09.51 # amiconn was war systemsteuerung gleich nochmal in englisch? 17.10.28 # muesli-: control panel?! 17.10.49 # sorry 17.10.57 # sound good 17.11.00 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-149-132.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 17.11.31 # muesli-: as i've got no idea, i'm just guessing 17.11.43 # personally, this issue doesn't really apply to me because i always keep my eq flat :-) 17.11.48 # well, me too 17.11.55 # i've never used it 17.11.57 # but still 17.12.13 # Me too. 17.12.22 # i'm making one, and will probably end up answering users who're asking why the hell the eq doesn't work as they think it should 17.12.31 # as every other eq does 17.12.42 # I am a little confused, how is it that Rockbox can prevent clipping as it is now but not just let clipping occur and tell the user that. 17.12.54 # i can live with automatic clip prevention, but i want the bass/treble to be limited instead of the volume 17.12.54 # tucoz: plain and simple, if you ask for much gain, you don't get it 17.13.07 # This issue doesn't apply to me as well. While I do use bass & treble boost with earphones, I never use volume settings around 80 and above 17.13.09 # tucoz: too much gain, that is 17.13.29 # and i never use volume settings below 80 :) 17.13.54 # i'd hear more traffic than music, if i did 17.13.57 # With my earphones I normally use values around 60 17.14.13 Quit Mongey| () 17.14.14 # <_FireFly_> me too 17.14.15 # ...occasionally up to 70 17.14.32 # preglow: I use in-ear monitors to block outside noise. 17.14.56 # No in-canal phones here, just plain Sennheiser MX450 17.15.00 # I already have some minor hearing loss from 25 years of performing on loud stages. I can't risk running volume so high. 17.15.19 # yes, I get that part. But the calculation that prevents clipping must be based on some values. If those values are above the clipping-preventing-level, then show that as an indicator 17.15.40 # i already have some minor hearing loss from being a bloody fool 17.15.46 # but nothing much 17.16.01 # tucoz, if I understand the current method, it limits gain whether there is actual clipping or not. 17.16.08 # Febs: indeed 17.16.12 # Febs: which is the essence of the issue 17.16.29 # I see 17.16.31 # it limits it because the worst case audio would clip, and never gives you a choice yourself 17.16.35 # i'd go for an option, "prevent clipping", yes/no, where the bass/treble are limited 17.16.59 # LinusN: we already have a prevent clipping option for replaygain, do you suggest we have a universal one? 17.17.10 # yes 17.17.15 # that sounds good to me 17.17.35 # if you want to go wild, you set it to no 17.17.36 # if you don't mind clipping in replaygain, you wont mind it other places either 17.17.40 # Yes, more options!! That is the true spirit of Rockbox. 17.17.46 # tucoz: the option already exists 17.17.48 # but then you hopefully know what you are doing 17.17.55 # grrrr 17.17.56 # peglow: would it be possible to implement something like a Preamp in the equalizerscreen (similar to winamp) and and suggest a preampsetting to the user? so he could still decide to use another value and risk possible clipping. 17.17.58 # ;) 17.18.10 # LinusN: we should probably rename it to use some more commong word than clipping 17.18.20 # PaulJ: yes 17.18.25 # PaulJ: that's in my plans 17.18.28 # what would that word be then? 17.18.31 # distortion? 17.18.41 # Overload. 17.18.42 # hmm 17.18.44 # overdrive 17.18.44 # heh 17.18.47 # "prevent funny noise" :-) 17.18.49 # perhaps only add 'audio' before 'clipping' 17.18.50 # heh 17.19.43 # "Allow Overdrive" yes/no 17.20.06 Join Amar [0] (n=502c6e50@labb.contactor.se) 17.20.25 # "Sound sucks" yes/no 17.21.17 # i might as well just remove the replaygain preamp setting as well 17.21.35 # since the eq will have it 17.22.21 # and then i need to convert all codecs to use 28 bit accuracy, hrmph 17.22.40 # preglow: Hmm, the MAS datasheet is a bit vague. From the block diagram it looks like all audio settings are purely digital, but the description for the main volume control says it's split 17.22.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/mas3587f_2pd.pdf pages 9 and 10 17.23.19 # I heard about linusN playing music :D 17.23.22 # how is that going? 17.23.25 # prescaler is digital, and main control analogue, i guess 17.23.29 # did i play that loud? 17.23.39 # lol 17.23.50 # The music heard round the world. ;) 17.23.56 # LinusN: it still echoes 17.25.11 # lol 17.25.14 # LinusN: Btw, from looking at the block diagram the archos recorder should also allow line in loop through like the player 17.25.21 # how is it going linusN? 17.25.32 Join Mindship-01 [0] (n=personal@62-221-202-178.dsl.fiberworld.nl) 17.25.39 # i dream of electric sheep 17.25.41 # WTF^^ 17.25.41 # SOMEONE'S eager, San... ;) 17.25.42 # lol 17.25.50 # yup 17.25.51 # :D 17.26.00 # amiconn: sure 17.26.06 # iriver firmware is crap, it was broken yesterday 17.26.12 # the 0000 files error 17.26.15 # :o 17.26.18 # San: i'm still having trouble with the pcf50606 driver 17.26.19 # fixed it 17.26.25 # ooh, yeah, that 17.26.26 # :p 17.26.34 # If the image variables from apps/recorder/icons.c are moved to files, where should they be stored on the device? 17.26.37 # good work though man 17.26.38 # :D 17.26.39 # or rather, with the cpu frequency 17.26.59 # Mindship-01: in .rockbox somewhere 17.27.34 # LinusN: can't be 17.27.36 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 17.27.53 # I'm looking at Feature request 955078 17.28.12 # Shouldn't it be loaded before the HDD can be read? 17.28.24 # <_FireFly_> Mindship-01: look at apps/gui/logos.ch 17.29.07 # Mindship-01: yes 17.29.47 # there is no apps/gui 17.30.14 # <_FireFly_> then you didn't have the lastest sources 17.30.27 # _FireFly_: he's not talking about source code 17.30.28 # argh... 17.30.33 # LinusN: I am 17.30.47 # I want that request to be implemented 17.30.53 # <_FireFly_> LinusN: and what is that ?? apps/recorder/icons.c 17.31.19 # Thats where I found some images 17.31.24 # I believe they were 17.32.07 # I think my source is the latest 17.32.13 # (s/l-ed this week) 17.32.16 # Mindship-01: i thought you wanted to move the bmp's to files to be loaded at runtime 17.32.16 # d/l* 17.32.33 # LinusN: that seems to be the first step 17.32.37 # <_FireFly_> Mindship-01: then you must have apps/gui/ 17.33.07 # <_FireFly_> or the archive is corrupted(when you had downloaded a source-archive) 17.33.20 # Mindship-01: if you want to implement that request you should ignore the current graphics 17.33.54 # let rockbox display the current splash and show the user-selected afterwards, when the disk is ready 17.34.11 # LinusN: why do that? 17.34.29 # because it's simpler 17.34.34 # can I not copy a pic. from the HDD to the boot zone? 17.34.52 # ????? 17.34.57 # (wherever that is) 17.35.07 # <_FireFly_> and the user didn't have to recompile the firmware if they want to change the logo 17.35.27 # the rockbox logo is in the rockbox.iriver file 17.35.43 Join webguest14 [0] (n=d56546a6@labb.contactor.se) 17.35.56 # i thought: the user selects an image, the software replaces the current image (which I believe does not reside on the HDD) with the chosen one 17.36.28 # it would have to patch the rockbox.iriver file 17.37.10 # can that be done? 17.37.17 # not easily 17.37.21 # damn... 17.37.45 # Is it hard to do that on your pc? 17.38.15 # (you can change the image, but have to upgrade firmware afterwards :P) 17.38.55 # I am not a real programmer, I must say, but I sure want my name to appear while booting... 17.39.06 # not some silly Rockbox logo 17.39.29 # two friends of mine have the same device you see ;-) 17.40.31 # Am I being ignored now for not having enough experience? 17.40.45 # LinusN, _FireFly_? 17.41.23 # there is a reason that the feature request still isn't implemented 17.41.33 Join pfavr [0] (n=Peter_Fa@0x50a32a37.unknown.tele.dk) 17.41.56 # and we don't think the rockbox logo is silly, btw 17.42.15 # Mindship-01: why do you want your name to appear while booting?! 17.42.31 # wubbla: to tell the world I own that device 17.42.42 # LinusN: me not realy either =P 17.42.49 # "you are 0wn3d" :-) 17.43.15 # yup, isn't Rockbox build to overcome that? ;-) 17.43.40 # Mindship-01: it is pretty easy to replace the rockbox logo, but you have to recompile it 17.44.00 # Can I do that? 17.44.18 # yes 17.44.48 # _FireFly_: I found the /apps/gui in the daily build... 17.45.06 # LinusN: how??? (/me is eager to knoww) 17.45.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 17.45.27 # that does not describe the picture replacing... 17.46.24 # On a related note, do people think it would be a good idea to store the original .bmp files in CVS and run bmp2rb as part of the build process? 17.46.46 # linuxstb: yeah, that's definitely a good idea 17.46.53 # The main reason is that we now have two 16-bit colour LCDs with different bitmap formats. 17.47.11 # And if we support the greyscale ipods, we will probably have two 2-bit bitmap formats. 17.47.43 # linuxstb: please, do make that change! You can think of some test to overcome that problem! 17.48.10 # I would be extremely thankful (well, 'very' anyway) 17.49.36 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 17.49.43 Join Philip [0] (n=Philip_0@user-5487.l2.c1.dsl.pol.co.uk) 17.50.45 Join mashalla [0] (n=david@p5498D975.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.50.56 Quit webguest14 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.52.02 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.50 # linuxstb: Is your proposal going to be implemented? And when? (announce on list perhaps) 18.02.20 # linuxstb: That would be similar to genlang for the built-in language 18.02.28 # mmh 18.02.33 # strange thing happened 18.02.36 # just 18.02.44 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 18.03.05 # am using usb mode and copying stuff to my i140 18.03.19 # and it displays codec failure 18.03.27 # <_FireFly_> nice ;) 18.03.28 # there's no music playing 18.03.45 # and there's only 1 album=mp3 on it 18.03.51 # which was playing very nice 18.03.59 # yes, i've had that happen once as well 18.04.10 # ok :D 18.04.22 # as long as i doenst crash i dont care ;) 18.05.11 # Mindship-01: I'm not going to go away and implement it today, but it's something I would like to do at some point. 18.09.33 # linuxstb: quite vague, but okay with me. Please anounce it on the list. I'm looking forward to this change of source-tree... 18.17.12 Part Polo_o 18.18.30 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 18.20.54 Quit Mindship-01 ("thanks all...") 18.25.09 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.29.44 Quit mashalla ("Kopete 0.10 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.31.59 Quit Kyl3 () 18.36.56 Quit Nixsos () 18.37.59 Join akaidiot [0] (n=nope@c-f744e255.363-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 18.45.13 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 18.45.23 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 18.49.54 Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.51.07 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.54.58 # TiMiD - at this rate the poll you made is not going to help 18.54.59 # lol 18.55.03 # its 7 - 7 18.55.39 # people from here who haven't voted, please vote - http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1931.0 18.55.45 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.55.56 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081A93E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.58.15 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-67-188-108-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 19.03.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.06.12 # hshah: voted for yours :) 19.06.26 # cool thanks :) 19.08.49 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 19.13.36 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 19.17.31 Quit bluebrother^ ("leaving") 19.20.37 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 19.25.10 Quit n2 (Nick collision from services.) 19.25.51 Join noclue2 [0] (n=Mitch@24-177-166-0.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 19.27.18 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.27.23 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-134-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.33.13 Join Raskolnikov [0] (n=rodja@host-84-222-95-246.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 19.33.18 # hi all 19.33.47 # hello 19.34.12 # is too early to submit an h300 bug? :) 19.34.33 # probably ;) since they are everywhere 19.34.43 # eheh 19.34.48 # it's in the ogg loading 19.34.49 # Well, given it's all pretty non-functional still.. I reckon you are jumping the gun a little :) 19.35.01 # rockbox can't find tags 19.35.06 # i think we should wait at least till music is playing first 19.36.11 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.15.210) 19.36.27 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@spc2-asht1-3-0-cust195.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 19.36.29 # i hope that will happen soon :) 19.36.42 # i've read linus already had music playing on his h300 19.37.03 # but only linus... 19.37.10 # not released yet 19.37.21 # yeah i know 19.37.32 # did he happen to say when he would commit the changes ? 19.40.31 # we can try to ask him :) 19.41.01 # he is online 19.42.34 # yep 19.43.13 # i'm going crazy, watching recent cvs activity almost every hour :P 19.44.59 # maybe we should donate them some coffee 19.45.09 # ehehehe 19.46.33 # at the moment i expect an color-patch for my H120 every hour 19.46.34 # ;P 19.46.50 # that'd be great 19.47.29 # what's your favourite wps? 19.48.15 # o.o 19.51.24 Join San [0] (n=Test@212.2.168.121) 19.54.08 # btw 19.54.14 Join arfo___ [0] (n=arfo@e178090226.adsl.alicedsl.de) 19.54.28 # When I choose a WPS-file, what happens to remote WPS? 19.54.35 DBUG Enqueued KICK arfo___ 19.54.35 # 02hey everybody 19.54.39 # <_FireFly_> Kohlrabi: nothing 19.54.48 # <_FireFly_> they are independent 19.54.53 # 02got also a WPS-question.. 19.54.54 # OK 19.55.03 # So, I have to build a seperate one for remote? 19.55.07 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.55.07 # 02why does the %wd tag not work? 19.55.13 *** Alert Mode level 2 19.55.13 # 02still shows statusbar 19.55.21 *** Alert Mode level 3 19.55.21 # 02both on remote & main lcd 19.55.46 *** Alert Mode level 4 19.55.46 # 02a bug? 19.55.50 # <_FireFly_> Kohlrabi: yepp if you don't want the default one 19.56.00 # <_FireFly_> the file-ending is .rwps 19.56.03 *** Alert Mode level 5 19.56.03 # 02or am i just too stupid? 19.56.09 # ahke 19.56.17 # That would've been my next question, thx :) 19.57.02 *** Alert Mode level 6 19.57.02 # 02help? 19.57.34 # Did I hear that someone is playing music on their H300? 19.57.43 # Linus is 19.57.46 # linus did 19.57.48 # ah 19.58.00 # but... 19.58.04 # [18:03] and there's only 1 album=mp3 on it 19.58.04 # [18:03] which was playing very nice 19.58.17 # but buttons go strange at 120MHz 19.58.24 # hhhmm 19.58.30 # <_FireFly_> arfo___: i'm testing if this is a bug or not 19.58.45 # when your playing music, and then press stop, and try to go back to the root, nothing happens 19.59.02 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.59.02 DBUG Enqueued KICK San 19.59.02 # * San 14Skinny Dips in a sea of 07Aerosmith - Rockin' The Joint - I Don't Want To Miss A Thing1415 19.59.34 *** Alert Mode level 7 19.59.34 # 02firefly: thanks.. 19.59.50 # _FireFly_: any way to read vorbiscomments? 20.00.00 Quit tvelocity ("Leaving") 20.00.00 *** Alert Mode level 8 20.00.00 # 02never worked here since it has been commited..for me 20.00.10 # I don't want to ID3-tag my vorbis-files :\ 20.00.28 # (foobar2k removes ID3-tags anyway, iirc) 20.00.36 # no it doesn't 20.00.38 # it adds them 20.00.49 # well, it can if you want it to 20.00.53 # <_FireFly_> Kohlrabi: the standard comments are displayed 20.01.02 # <_FireFly_> e.g. album title artist 20.01.49 # ah, OK 20.02.05 # But I can't read custom comments (as of yet)? 20.02.14 # <_FireFly_> yepp you can't 20.02.15 Nick arfo___ is now known as arfo (n=arfo@e178090226.adsl.alicedsl.de) 20.02.15 DBUG Enqueued KICK arfo 20.02.15 *** Alert Mode level 9 20.02.51 # <_FireFly_> but there is a patch on the patch-tracker on sf.net but i don*t know it this works with the latest cvs-sources 20.03.12 # um, ok thx 20.03.25 # <_FireFly_> arfo: for me it works the %wd tag 20.03.31 *** Alert Mode level 10 20.03.31 # 02hm strange 20.03.41 *** Alert Mode level 11 20.03.41 # 02in settings, my statusbar is 'off' 20.03.46 *** Alert Mode level 12 20.03.46 # 02erm 20.03.49 *** Alert Mode level 13 20.03.49 # 02i ment ON 20.04.06 *** Alert Mode level 14 20.04.06 # 02but it shouldt be displayed with that tag am i right? 20.04.15 # <_FireFly_> yepp 20.04.26 # <_FireFly_> but only on wps 20.04.40 *** Alert Mode level 15 20.04.40 # 02i already deleted everything & copied newest version 20.04.55 *** Alert Mode level 16 20.04.55 # 02well ok, I only see the status bar when I change volume 20.05.02 # <_FireFly_> strange 20.05.07 *** Alert Mode level 17 20.05.07 # 02it kinda overwrites the stuff of WPS 20.05.42 *** Alert Mode level 18 20.05.42 # 02well I'll try again.. 20.05.44 *** Alert Mode level 19 20.05.44 # 02thanks anyway 20.12.43 Join Cassandra [0] (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 20.15.45 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.15.57 # <_FireFly_> Hi Cassandra 20.16.08 # Heya 20.16.34 # 02firefly: sorry my fault. I had an old version of rockbox.iriver in /rockbox and the newr one on root ;) 20.16.46 # 02next time i know better 20.17.17 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: do you have some time to submit a small fix for the wps when using the %wd tag ?? 20.17.22 # <_FireFly_> arfo: ;) 20.17.38 # What's it fix? 20.17.39 # btw, are there any H300 WPS ? 20.17.49 # Not yet, no. 20.17.50 # arfo: Hmm.. could you turn the colors off please. It's impossible to read your text from a black terminal 20.18.12 # <_FireFly_> currently the margin isn't set probably when leaving the quickscreen 20.18.14 # <_FireFly_> http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/wps_sb_tag_fix.patch 20.18.32 *** Alert Mode level 1 20.18.32 # 02sorry. using trillian.. I'm gone anyway.. 20.18.38 # <_FireFly_> Slasher: which client ?? 20.18.43 # _FireFly_: irssi 20.18.54 *** Alert Mode level 2 20.18.54 # 02but my color is black.. 20.18.58 *** Alert Mode level 3 20.18.58 # 02(text) 20.19.04 *** Alert Mode level 4 20.19.04 # 02isnt it? 20.19.07 # <_FireFly_> hmm in xchat there is a option to disable mirc colors 20.19.14 # and KDE Konsole.. I can't even hilight the text with selection.. Probably it has black background too 20.19.20 # arfo: i see it blue 20.19.32 # <_FireFly_> i'm in white ;) 20.19.34 *** Alert Mode level 5 20.19.34 # 02hm 20.19.42 *** Alert Mode level 6 20.19.42 # 02well i see u all in black.. 20.19.49 *** Alert Mode level 7 20.19.49 # 02but u're right, i'm dark blue 20.19.59 # _FireFly_: ok, /set hide_colors on did it 20.20.05 # <_FireFly_> ;) 20.20.14 # but still that isn't the correct way to fix the problem :P 20.20.33 # better? 20.20.41 # now its black again.. 20.20.57 # anyway gotta go 20.20.59 # see ya 20.21.08 # arfo: yes, much better now 20.21.20 # nice ;) *gone* 20.21.21 Part arfo 20.22.33 # _FireFly_, looks simple enough, I'll apply it. 20.22.35 Join Noel_sad_song [0] (n=c87ec44a@labb.contactor.se) 20.22.45 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: thanks 20.23.04 # are previously made wps screens compatable with the h300 20.24.04 # does anybody know? 20.25.54 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 20.26.18 # All the H1xx screens are compatible. 20.26.30 # Some of them just don't take up the full screen. 20.27.02 # I'll do an H3xx screen once I have a working simulator. 20.27.14 # (Or if someone wants to give me an H3xx) 20.27.56 # there is a simulator build on misticriver 20.28.31 # Probably for Windows. I do Rockbox development under Linux. 20.28.46 # ok 20.29.07 # Won't be in colour either. We don't have support for multi-colour WPSes yet. 20.29.21 # not yet 20.29.32 # hopefully soon :) 20.29.50 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.30.03 # Well I had a discussion with amicon, our graphics guru the other day, and we came up with a plausible way of implementing it. 20.30.13 # As to when it'll happen, I'm not really sure. 20.31.43 # Any place on the website where I can find out how to build the simulator? 20.32.12 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: i have a slightly modified wps-loaded which reduces the used space in the format-buffer e.g. your boxes.wps uses with this loader only 538 bytes instead 1759 :) 20.32.36 # how close is audio? 20.33.20 # <_FireFly_> the loader loads the wps-file line by line and lines with following tags didn't get into the format-buffer: %x %xl %wd %we 20.33.25 # <_FireFly_> and also comments 20.33.46 # <_FireFly_> s/wps-loaded/wps-file-loader 20.34.23 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 20.34.56 # <_FireFly_> the readed lines gets parsed from a seperate function which returns true if one of these tags are found and handled otherwise false 20.35.15 # _FireFly_, sounds good. 20.35.25 # But there aren't any invalid tags in my WPS. 20.35.51 # <_FireFly_> no not invalid tags 20.36.11 # How close is audio (mp3) support? 20.36.43 Quit Subterranean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.36.56 # <_FireFly_> these tags are handled seperatly because i think that image-loading tags, comment-line the %wd %we tags doesn't need to be in the format-buffer because they are only parsed direktly after loading the file 20.37.45 Join larsie [0] (n=Lars@niwg-n-3f07.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 20.37.52 # lo 20.38.40 # Oh right. 20.38.44 # so 20.38.44 # Yes, this is true. 20.38.48 # cant anyone answer me? 20.39.07 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: if you want to try it yourself here is the patch: http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/wps-load.patch 20.39.16 # Acksaw, about 3 metres. 20.39.26 # minutes* ? 20.39.44 # i think that might've been sarcastic? 20.40.08 # <_FireFly_> TiMiD wanted to submit it but it seams that he has currently not mutch time for rockbox 20.40.09 # Cassandra: Can't you just use the H300 sim under wine? 20.40.32 # Iirc linuxstb does that and he said it works pretty well 20.40.44 # probably, you could 20.41.10 # is remote supported in h300 yet? 20.41.26 # or how about remote support in rockboy 20.41.32 # that'd be awseome 20.41.38 # already there 20.41.43 # so 20.41.44 # :) 20.41.46 # amicon: Possibly. I may give it a try in a bit. 20.42.01 # is there anyone that can answer a question for me, or try? without being sarcastic? 20.42.18 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 20.42.21 # <_FireFly_> Drumrboy|away: plugins must draw to the remote yourself if they want it 20.42.23 # _FireFly_, looks like I'd mishandle lines with a comment after valid markup. 20.42.32 # linus said on the mailing list that he had the sound working, when will it be on the cvs? 20.42.39 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: ? 20.42.40 # ie %wd # No status bar 20.43.03 # oh, OK, sim is building now :o 20.43.11 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 20.43.42 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: in this case it's no problem becuase the %wd tag is parsed before the # 20.43.46 # larsie: soon, i have some debugging to do first 20.44.02 # ok thanks for the reply :) 20.44.20 # is it stable at the default CPU freq ? 20.44.41 # Drumrboy|away: Imho remote support for rockboy doesn't make much sense. Too low resolution, b&w only, and rather slow data transfer 20.45.06 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: with this loader the %wd or %we tag must be on y seperate line 20.45.21 # Do you guys want me to be the "official flame the people who ask when rockbox is released" guy? 20.45.22 # <_FireFly_> s/y/a 20.45.30 # OK - was a bad example. Pick a more conventional tag.; 20.45.40 # Cassandra, if you're in commit-mood, there are a couple of updates to the wps's that are in cvs at sourceforge. 20.45.57 # San, I'd rather you just made 'em go away without asking. 20.46.19 # Also the people who's first response to "x is done" is "when will y be done". 20.46.27 # OMFG 20.46.31 # O M F G 20.46.41 # new iriver firmware! 20.46.42 # ah 20.46.45 # whats up? 20.46.47 # reall?!? 20.46.49 # what!! 20.46.53 # tucoz, mostly I'm in a go to sleep mood. 20.47.01 # yeh! 20.47.02 # omfg 20.47.06 # Cassandra, hehe 20.47.07 # Acksaw, for what player? 20.47.11 # h500 20.47.12 # seriously :| 20.47.15 # h300* 20.47.19 # wow 20.47.20 # lol 20.47.22 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: does your example work with the current methode ?? 20.47.27 # they sayd it was a hoax 20.47.30 # took them a while. 20.47.33 # :) 20.47.33 # At the moment, I'm trying to get up the energy to go find my iRiver to test _firefly_'s patch before I commit it. 20.47.43 # lol 20.47.46 Nick noclue2 is now known as ehntoo (n=Mitch@24-177-166-0.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 20.47.46 # _FireFly_, no idea, actually. 20.47.54 # Hrm.. not on the iriver site I'm browsing.. :( 20.47.54 # it isn't that small 20.47.57 # :P 20.48.10 # Acksaw: url ? 20.48.14 # the guy said so 20.48.17 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: afaik currently only comments are registered as comments if the '#' is found on the start of the line 20.48.20 # he said they got OTF playlists and gapless 20.48.31 # should i ask for a link? 20.48.34 # yes 20.48.35 # gapless is a pshaw. 20.48.36 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.48.41 # If that's true, then it's not a problem. 20.48.52 # can't find it either 20.49.08 # there's only 1.28 on the website. 20.49.09 # what guy ? 20.49.12 # oh.. 20.49.13 # maybe on the korean 20.49.18 # For a brief fleeting moment I _almost_ got excited 20.49.18 # the guy said he was joking 20.49.25 # :'( 20.49.29 # :p 20.49.33 # arg 20.49.33 # what guys is this, now? 20.49.36 # *guy 20.49.40 # _FireFly_: I'd vote for leaving it that way (# as comment only at the start of the line) 20.49.50 # too busy being exited to notice :P 20.49.58 # How else would one insert the # sign in a wps? 20.50.00 # Now go and post that on mysticriver with an address to send the lynch mob :p) 20.50.14 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: right 20.50.16 # how do you sign up to the rockbox mailing lists? 20.50.18 Join frederic [0] (n=chatzill@i577B9F5C.versanet.de) 20.50.27 # ehm 20.50.33 # amiconn, have you seriously never commented a bit of code to the right of it? 20.50.37 # just search for mailing list ;) 20.50.38 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 20.50.40 # Acksaw, http://www.rockbox.org/mail/ 20.50.47 # :P 20.51.17 Join matsl [0] (n=user@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 20.51.21 # Not that I care greatly, but it is done. And I always thought positional syntax sucked when I was doing Fortran. 20.51.46 # Cassandra: Actually I have no single comment in any of my wps'es 20.51.47 # yay i signed up 20.52.09 # gives you loads of e-mails 20.52.11 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: after you said it i have found that my new loader doesn't parse the '#' only on the start of the line ... i will change it now 20.52.18 # amiconn, me neither, but theoretically someone might think it works that way. 20.52.23 # about 90% not interesting for me 20.52.27 # :P 20.52.29 # We should at least document that it doesn't/ 20.52.46 # for=to 20.53.08 # Cassandra: yup. 20.54.38 Quit Noel_sad_song ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.56.35 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@212.2.168.121) 20.56.35 Quit larsie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.57.20 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.58.17 Join matsl [0] (n=user@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 20.58.30 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: updated version uploaded to the same place 20.58.42 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc9a.b.pppool.de) 20.59.08 # re 20.59.10 # <_FireFly_> now '#' only get matched if they are on the start of the line 21.01.13 # _firefly_: I can't really take a proper look at it tonight, but it looks good. 21.01.26 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 21.01.33 # <_FireFly_> np 21.01.36 # Remind me what this other patch is supposed to fix. 21.02.12 # <_FireFly_> currently the margin isn't set probably when leaving the quickscreen 21.02.16 # Oh, that's funky. 21.02.25 # <_FireFly_> ? 21.02.33 # convbdf now correctly works with the Linux console font I designed. 21.02.40 Quit Raskolnikov (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.02.57 # <_FireFly_> there was an update some days ago for this afaik 21.03.35 # In the patched version I just tried, there's part of the WPS at the top of the quick screen. 21.03.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.03.59 # Yeah. I just hadn't got around to testing it. 21.04.16 Quit frederic ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 21.05.17 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: only with the fix applied ?? 21.05.51 # Yes, with the fix applied. 21.06.02 # Let me just check that it patched OK. 21.06.34 # <_FireFly_> strange 21.07.08 Quit hardeep (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 21.08.51 # It's definitely in there. 21.09.13 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.09.24 # oh 21.09.30 # Can someone help me? 21.09.31 # should that really be gui_wps_setmargine? 21.09.36 # I just built the ui simulator 21.09.44 # No, you're a hopeless case. ;) 21.09.49 # How does it work? 21.09.51 # :) 21.10.00 # For which platform? 21.10.04 # I boot up, and it's just a player with battery level displayed 21.10.08 # cygwin 21.10.21 # jukebox platform 21.10.23 # Do I need to put the wps-files in the uisim dir? 21.10.30 # err 21.10.32 # H120 21.10.37 # Oh, right. 21.10.49 # Kohlrabi: there's a 'archos' directory simulating the root dir 21.10.50 # Kohlrabi: That's because you probably have no supported files in the simulator root 21.10.58 # You need to have a archos directory (hysterical raisins) in your build dir. 21.11.01 # ah? 21.11.03 # Then "make install" 21.11.04 # so? 21.11.06 # ahke 21.11.06 # Then run it. 21.11.11 # What you see is the status bar and the file browser with no files 21.11.13 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: yes because in gui_wps_setmargine i check if the %we or %wd tag was used in the wps 21.11.30 # ke, thx 21.11.43 # setmargine ? Looks like a typo to me 21.11.43 Quit Mxm`Pas`Bien (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.11.46 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 21.11.52 # Ah, you're being French aren't you? margin is spelt without the e in English. ;) 21.12.21 # Was a %wd wps, _FireFly_ 21.12.30 # in french it's "marge" 21.12.34 # ;) 21.12.50 # um 21.13.00 # Maybe I didnt get everything right 21.13.08 # I checked out uisimulator 21.13.13 # <_FireFly_> it*s a typo gui_wps_set_margin is the right function name ;) 21.13.17 # put it in rockbox dir 21.13.19 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l03m-212-194-103-107.d4.club-internet.fr) 21.13.33 # started configure from within uisimulator 21.13.38 # and did make 21.13.46 # <_FireFly_> no i have it calle *margine 21.13.47 # I'm about to commit this font. Does anyone mind if I insert a line in the bottom of the CREDITS to the effect that "The jackash font is dedicated to the memory of Ashley 'Jack' Scarborough." 21.13.49 # <_FireFly_> argh 21.13.51 # And now I did make install 21.14.02 # And it did *something* 21.14.08 # But still the same problem 21.14.12 # _FireFly_, sorry, that was what I was asking you. 21.14.23 # Kohlrabi: that's not a problem, you just simulate an empty disk 21.14.26 # Presumably, if I change to set_margin, it should work. 21.14.32 # ah 21.14.34 # ok 21.14.38 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.14.50 # Kohlrabi: put files in the "archos" dir and they will appear in the sim 21.14.51 # <_FireFly_> no no i have defined a function 21.14.59 # k, thx 21.15.05 # <_FireFly_> gui_wsp_set_margine 21.15.09 # Sorry, never mind me. 21.15.29 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: gwps.c:71 21.16.16 # <_FireFly_> in this function i do the check if the y-margin should be set to STATUSBAR_HIGHT or not 21.16.17 # Yeah, I see it. 21.16.51 # <_FireFly_> but why it does work with the menu 21.16.52 # You have an if construction that's almost certainly wrong. 21.17.30 # <_FireFly_> ?? 21.17.35 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 21.17.40 # Erm, maybe not. 21.17.50 # <_FireFly_> it's right ;) 21.18.52 # is it normal I can't compile the simulator with cygwin ? 21.19.03 # Sometimes happens that way. 21.19.09 # <_FireFly_> when no %we or %wd tag is found then gloabl_settings.statusbar is used to determine if the y-margin should be set to STATUSBAR_HEIGHT or not 21.19.13 # Wett: no, it is buildable with cygwin 21.19.19 # and has been for years 21.19.21 # Erase the directory and re-run configure. 21.19.31 # that's what i did 21.19.37 # a fresh new cvs update 21.19.47 # ugh 21.19.51 # simulator crashed :\ 21.20.05 # What's the difference between data->wps_sb_tag and data->show_sb_on_wps? 21.20.22 # wett: Are you using the recommended gcc? 21.20.35 # ? 21.20.47 # is it normal I can't compile the simulator with cygwin ? | it doidnt work with gcc 3.3.3 for me 21.20.50 # Afair we don't recommend a specific gcc for sims 21.20.50 # Try the newest one 21.20.52 # i'm using the devel environment 21.20.55 # 3.4.4.1 iirc 21.21.01 # oh, I see :\ 21.21.04 # why didn't it work with 3.3.3? 21.21.11 # Good question. 21.21.22 # compiling needed cc1 21.21.27 # in fact it's looking for some /uisimulator directory it can't find 21.21.29 # Wett: the devkit is not really "cygwin", it is a stripped down cygwin 21.21.32 # Which gcc 3.3.3 apparently didnt provide 21.21.45 # It does 21.21.52 # Kohlrabi: that sounds like a broken gcc install, nothing else 21.21.55 # cc1 is part of every gcc 21.22.07 # mkay 21.22.07 # Wett: you need a uisimulator dir, yes 21.22.22 # just create it, empty ? lol, ok 21.22.34 # Wett: no, its the dir with the sim code 21.22.41 # cvs co uisimulator 21.22.59 # That's true - if you've not checked it out, it certainly won't work. 21.23.16 # hm <_< please excuse me. 21.24.37 # ah another question 21.24.52 Ctcp Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 3 minutes and 13 seconds at the last flood 21.24.52 # * amiconn had an idea how to speed up the 16bit lcd driver, especially the mono bitmap drawing 21.25.30 # Do tell. 21.25.39 # Can I put dummy err 21.25.41 # yes 21.25.50 # can I put dummy sound file sin the sim-dir? 21.25.58 # like 0 byte oggs? 21.26.04 # You're better off using a real one. 21.26.07 # you can put whatever you want there 21.26.09 # ok 21.26.12 # :) 21.26.17 # That I know 21.26.23 # Of course you could always make a file of 5 minutes of silence. 21.26.29 # wow 21.26.35 # That'd be great 21.26.54 # Although John Cage may sue you if you do. 21.27.03 # haha 21.27.55 # Bagder, he actually did do that to someone once when they co-credited him on a minute's silence on their album. 21.28.06 # I read about it 21.28.15 # *nods* 21.28.35 # "I did silence first!" 21.30.05 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: i found the problem 21.30.42 # _FireFly_, me too, I think. 21.30.43 # <_FireFly_> it seams that the quickscreen doesn't reset the y-margin to 0 explicitly 21.30.55 # Ah, right. 21.31.58 # I can tell you that I have the statusbar global on and a %wd tag in the WPS. 21.32.46 # <_FireFly_> me too 21.32.56 Join andy [0] (i=andy@81-235-185-13-no46.tbcn.telia.com) 21.33.23 # <_FireFly_> afaik the statusbar wasn't drawn in the old quickscreen 21.33.51 # XavierGr_: have you tried different ADC values? 21.34.07 # I think you're right, yes. 21.34.12 # XavierGr_: ADC gain in the recording options menu that is 21.34.14 # I'm not entirely sure it should be. 21.34.42 Quit DMJC-L (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.35.57 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@220-245-176-174-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 21.36.15 # _FireFly_, Cassandra: Yes that's a change introduced with multiscreen support 21.36.46 Quit Acksaw () 21.36.57 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: so the question is: should the statusbar be shown on quickscreen or not ?? 21.37.10 # (Statusbar in quickscreens, in yes/no requests...) 21.37.31 Quit Benacool (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.37.43 # * Cassandra isn't sure. 21.37.49 # * amiconn neither 21.37.50 # Both ways have advantages. 21.38.12 # Hmm I think on balance we should go for status bar always visible. 21.38.25 # <_FireFly_> i think TiMiD has forgotten to explizitly set the y-margin to 0 as he has wrote the quickscreen and the yes/no request widget 21.38.28 # Although I could easily be persuaded the other way. 21.39.29 # * Cassandra swears. Why does my bdf file kill Xwindows when I open it up in fontforge? 21.40.06 Quit Philip ("bye everybody") 21.40.35 # <_FireFly_> i have noticed a other bug: if you have bookmark on stop set to ask the question is printed twice 21.40.55 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.41.10 # The quickscreen also has a bug, but only on iriver 21.41.22 # The quickmode doesn't work quite right 21.41.33 # <_FireFly_> quickmode ?? 21.41.36 # On archos it's working fine 21.42.42 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: what is the quickmode ?? 21.43.06 # There are 2 modes of quickscreen operation: 21.44.00 # 1. Normal mode: Press quickscreen button to bring it up, press left/right/down to adjust options, press quickscreen button again to leave 21.45.14 # 2. Quickmode: Press & hold quickscreen button, press left/right/down to select options. Stop holding quickscreen button to leave 21.46.43 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: the problem is/was when you enter the quickscreen from the remote then the remote-buttons didn't work 21.46.55 # That's another problem 21.47.05 # (was) 21.48.05 # <_FireFly_> yepp but the fix for this problem might be break the second mode of the quickscreen 21.49.25 # Hmm. The quickscreen doesn't seem to work at all on the remote 21.49.49 # I can bring it up, but I can't change a single option 21.49.59 # (either mode) 21.50.22 # <_FireFly_> this should be solved in the latest cvs 21.50.46 # Hmpf, yes 21.50.54 # * amiconn didn't cvs up :/ 21.51.16 # <_FireFly_> the problem was this "calc" key = button & ~button_enter 21.51.30 Join mashalla [0] (n=dj-dave@p5498D975.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.51.46 # This BUTTON_REMOTE business has to go 21.51.46 # <_FireFly_> this doesn't work for remote-buttons due the extra bit REMOTE_BUTTON 21.53.26 # Hmm. Now it works from the remote, but only in normal mode 21.54.20 # <_FireFly_> yepp iirc someone has mentioned that key-combos doesn*t work with remote-buttons 21.54.48 # Right, my brain appears to have dried up. 21.54.50 # let's kick BUTTON_REMOTE out the door and lock it 21.55.38 # <_FireFly_> LinusN: but then how do you know if a remote-button was pressed ?? because currently on two places this value is used to check 21.55.50 # where? 21.56.05 # we can use a remote mask instead 21.56.06 # <_FireFly_> LinusN: #ifdef WPS_KEYLOCK 21.56.06 # <_FireFly_> /* ignore non-remote buttons when keys are locked */ 21.56.06 # <_FireFly_> if (keys_locked && 21.56.06 DBUG Enqueued KICK _FireFly_ 21.56.06 # <_FireFly_> ! ((button < 0) || 21.56.06 # <_FireFly_> (button == BUTTON_NONE) || 21.56.07 *** Alert Mode level 1 21.56.07 # <_FireFly_> ((button & WPS_KEYLOCK) == WPS_KEYLOCK) || 21.56.09 # <_FireFly_> (button & BUTTON_REMOTE) 21.56.11 # <_FireFly_> )) 21.56.13 # <_FireFly_> { 21.56.15 # <_FireFly_> if (!(button & BUTTON_REL)) 21.56.17 # <_FireFly_> display_keylock_text(true); 21.56.19 # <_FireFly_> restore = true; 21.56.21 # <_FireFly_> button = BUTTON_NONE; 21.56.23 # <_FireFly_> } 21.56.25 # <_FireFly_> #endif 21.56.25 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@spc2-asht1-3-0-cust195.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 21.56.27 # <_FireFly_> gwps.c 21.56.29 # <_FireFly_> line 199 21.56.34 # BUTTON_REMOTE can be a mask with all the remote bits set 21.56.42 # <_FireFly_> and button.c:170 21.56.43 # _FireFly_: In theory, no button combos on the h1x0 will work other than those that use Play and/or Stop and *one* other button 21.57.03 # The A-B + Left/Right/Down combo worked by chance with the old quickscreen, 21.57.04 # LinusN: great work with the 300! did you have to tweek the uda driver a lot? 21.57.20 # andy: not at all, just the reset 21.57.42 # LinusN: nice 21.57.58 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.57.58 # _FireFly_: The WPS_KEYLOCK business is archos only, and we already discussed a better solution for soft keylock... 21.58.41 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: right i have somewhere the irc-log from this 21.58.48 # LinusN: Did you read about this more general soft keylock idea in the logs? 21.59.06 # I would think other targets will get soft keylock too in the future 21.59.18 # not that it changes anything right now 21.59.42 Join ender1 [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 22.00.15 # <_FireFly_> LinusN: if not then you can read the relevant parts here : http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/new_soft_keylock_handling_for_non_iriver_targets.txt 22.01.34 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.37 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-134-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.04.58 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@port547.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 22.06.08 *** Alert Mode OFF 22.07.09 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 22.07.13 # <_FireFly_> hmm strange the quickscreen-bug (statusbar isn't draw when entering it from wps and %wd is used) doesn't have to do that the margin isn't set correctly 22.07.41 # <_FireFly_> it is set correctly and gui_syncstatusbar_draw is also called 22.09.21 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.09.21 # * amiconn wonders why his playlist is shuffled although shuffle is off :/ 22.09.51 # did you shut it off during playback? 22.10.01 # shuffle I mean 22.10.01 # nope 22.10.04 # ok 22.10.12 # I think I had the reversed bug the other day 22.10.15 # I mean, it was off at the beginning 22.10.29 # Then I played around with the quickscreen (during playback) 22.11.15 # it was off, I started playing, enabled shuffle but it didn't play shuffled anyway 22.11.18 # The playlist got shuffled but didn't unshuffle again 22.12.15 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.06 # <_FireFly_> ah got it :) 22.15.55 # <_FireFly_> after i added gui_syncstatusbar_draw(&statusbars, true); before the while-loop now the statusbar is shown correctly when entering the quickscreen from wps and %wd is used 22.17.41 # <_FireFly_> currently the statusbar gets shown/updated when you change the shuffel or repeat option in thw quickscreen 22.17.49 # <_FireFly_> s/thw/the 22.20.40 # Hm... Shouldn't the reset button reset an iRiver, and not just turn it off? I don't remember how it used to behave... 22.21.30 # Lear: correct 22.21.32 # is it because of thanksgiving that they are no updates since yesterday on the daily update / irc logs ? ( sorry to interrupt you guys ^^' ) 22.22.36 Join PresaGirl [0] (n=Anne@p54AFB48E.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 22.22.41 # tach 22.22.52 # <_FireFly_> hi 22.23.16 # was gibt's hier? 22.24.07 # PresaGirl: english speaking people! 22.24.31 Part PresaGirl 22.24.37 # hehe 22.24.47 # <_FireFly_> *g* 22.25.27 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.26.07 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 22.26.18 # der zeig ich mal meine rockbox :D 22.26.31 # haha 22.26.32 # en français c'est meiux ? (lol sorry ;-)) 22.26.40 Join matsl [0] (n=user@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.27.02 # mieux plutôt ... je me fourvois dans ma propre langue ! 22.27.04 Nick ender1 is now known as ender` (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 22.27.18 # c la polio, c tt ^^ 22.27.40 # la polio ? 22.28.03 # english? 22.28.06 # ui, on apelle ca comme ca kan on inverse des lettres etc 22.28.16 # ah ... 22.28.23 # preglow: i've explained a 'french' expression for when people 'invert' some letters in a word or else.. 22.28.29 # like "mpm" instead of "lol" 22.28.31 # or else.. 22.28.34 # hum i was saying if it is better in english lol 22.28.39 # oh 22.28.46 # in french i mean lol 22.35.46 # weel, Linus listenned aeorosmith on his h300... it goes faster than i thought, you make an awsome work guys! 22.36.12 # awesome* 22.36.13 # _FireFly_, amiconn: i like the softlock idea 22.36.34 # ironically enough, that's pretty much how it worked when i first implemented it 22.37.00 # <_FireFly_> and why was it changed ?? 22.37.17 # i think it was because people wanted to alter volume in the locked state 22.37.45 Part Musicmad 22.38.05 # LinusN: I've never seen this implemented?? 22.38.26 # (The change-volume-while-locked I mean, and also your original lock implementation) 22.38.53 # <_FireFly_> "/* ignore non-remote buttons when keys are locked */" 22.39.00 # any new news? 22.39.02 # <_FireFly_> that is the comment for the current implementation 22.39.43 # Yes. 22.39.54 # This just means that the lock doesn't affect the remote 22.40.00 # (which makes sense) 22.40.31 # amiconn: i believe it was button.c 1.5, but it seems it wasn't me doing that 22.40.43 # <_FireFly_> yepp but this should be also relative simple to implement with the "new" softlock idea 22.40.49 # yes 22.41.14 # The iriver button driver even has to distinguish between 2 different locks 22.41.42 Quit paugh ("Leaving") 22.44.17 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.44.37 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-213-132.tpgi.com.au) 22.44.58 Quit DMJC-L (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.47.26 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.48.09 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: the 2. mode of the quickscreen works also on the iriver(only when mode-button on main-device is pressed) but after the quickscreen is left the button-handler returns a mode-button | BUTTON_REPEAT -> quickscreen is shown again 22.48.10 # LinusN: Now I know who added the dirty backlight_tick() call in button_tick() I removed recently ;) 22.48.38 # i'll kill that guy if i see him 22.48.39 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-224.VIC.netspace.net.au) 22.49.15 # _FireFly_: No it doesn't work correctly. The quickscreen immediately quits when using left/right/down even if I continue to hold A-B, then reappears after a fraction of a second 22.49.46 Quit matsl ("ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.776 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 22.49.51 # <_FireFly_> it works if you release the button directly after you have pressed left/right/down 22.51.15 # <_FireFly_> the Problem is, that the button-handler returns a "