--- Log for 25.11.105 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 20 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.17 # amiconn: you were right. It works... much better -_- 00.00.40 # Goodie. 00.00.51 # but something's strange 00.00.59 # Btw, if you're playing .rvf files made for archos you need HZ/67, 00.01.25 # but when tailoring .rvfs for H1xo, HZ/70 are optimal 00.01.43 # yep but it was just a test video 00.01.47 # can anyone please answer my question - where is the code for the remote usb logo kept? 00.01.51 # which file? 00.02.06 # Wett: yes of course 00.02.31 # The toolchain needs adjustment anyway (different default frequency, different resolution) 00.02.41 # already done :) 00.03.16 # but about timer : what is the time I give it ? 00.03.47 # It's the number of base system clocks 00.03.58 # ...between 2 interrupts 00.04.23 # Base CPU clocks I mean 00.04.26 # ok, so I should not give it the same that on archos. But... When I gave it the frequency/fps, it was 10 time slower 00.04.39 # about 00.05.27 # hshah: you don't have the source? 00.05.35 # use grep 00.05.41 # we should make #rockbox-logo-questions 00.05.56 # what do you mean LinusN? 00.06.11 # Wett: Just give it CPU_FREQ / 67 (or whatever timing you want) 00.06.21 # grep is a tool to find a text string inside files 00.06.25 # CPU_FREQ is a constant, it's the base CPU frequency 00.06.41 # constant ? and what about frequency changes ? 00.06.51 # i used the windows search thing, but i still can't find which file its in, coz i dunno what im looking for 00.06.54 # hshah try a text search fo r string that might relates to the usb icon 00.07.04 # These are handled in timer.c 00.07.15 # logo.c has the logo for the main screen... 00.07.24 # This handling is the reason why all higher frequencies are an integer multiple of the base 00.07.42 Join San [0] (n=Test@212.2.168.121) 00.07.48 # hshah: find .. -name "*.c" -exec grep -H usb_logo {} \; 00.07.49 Join webguest11 [0] (n=53d8024f@labb.contactor.se) 00.07.53 # i think it may be using the same code for the remote... but im not sure because i thought that TiMiD had implimented separate logos for both 00.08.02 # oh ok 00.08.06 # thanks a lot amiconn :) gotta reboot 00.08.09 Quit Wett () 00.08.38 # hshah: that gives apps/gui/logo.c 00.08.50 Join petur [0] (i=petur@d54C1B62E.access.telenet.be) 00.08.57 # well i know there where the usb logo for the main screen is... 00.09.02 # wheres the one for the remote screen? 00.09.08 # or is it the same one? 00.09.14 # hshah: that gives apps/gui/logo.c 00.09.25 # try opening it and looking inside it 00.09.50 # LinusN - i only have one set of hex values in there 00.09.59 # have you updated your cvs? 00.10.00 # Wow... I just compared compilation of the x11 sim under Linux and under cygwin 00.10.02 # one for the main iriver unit... 00.10.03 # yeah 00.10.14 # i think ill delete the logo.c and try it again... 00.10.26 # ...on the very same machine, with Linux having the additional handicap of running under VMware 00.10.46 # LinusN - i update my cvs every time there is a change... 00.11.01 # H120 x11 sim compilation time: Linux: 110s cygwin: 390s 00.11.16 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.11.25 # amiconn: cygwin is incredibly slow, no surprises there 00.11.41 # I know... but a factor of >3 ... 00.11.51 # i would have thought it was even slower than that 00.11.54 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.11.58 # and if you're running vmware, it probably is 00.12.02 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@220-244-239-138-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 00.12.11 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l03m-212-194-103-107.d4.club-internet.fr) 00.12.13 # Well, VMware 5 is pretty fast 00.12.15 # hshah: the same bitmap is used for both main and remote 00.12.23 # hi Wett 00.12.41 # LinusN - "Adapted and commited Markus Kaufhold's remote hold icon on statusbar patch for iriver ; generic logo handler (now it's possible to have a different USB logo on main screen and on remote), made the quickscreen behave as it was before" 00.12.44 # hshah: see the usb_logos[] array 00.13.07 # Wett: You can't use the video_frametime value from the RVF-header verbatim, you need an adjustment similar to the adjustment done for Ondio 00.13.27 # back 00.13.51 # hshah: create a new image and fill in the usb_logos[] array 00.13.53 # CPU_FREQ for iriver is very close to that of the archos recorder, but not identical => video and audio would slightly drift apart over time 00.14.02 # yes I have to deduce the base fps and to calc the new value 00.14.15 # iriver: 11289600; recorder: 11059200 00.14.45 # ok. It has a sync() function, but I should not use it too much times 00.14.47 # I would just convert video_frametime based on the reduced ratio of the 2 frequencies 00.14.49 # wow, i see 00.14.59 # yep, sounds good 00.15.03 # ...like I did for the Ondio 00.15.13 # LinusN - i can't really code in c, so you might have to explain this a little bit... there are two usb_logos[] arrays defined... 00.15.13 # oh 00.15.21 # This 625/576 ratio is reduced from 12000000/11059200 00.15.40 # hshah: the first one is for text displays 00.15.48 # Somewhere I already did these calculations... 00.16.02 # hshah: sorry, the second one 00.16.10 # LinusN - ahh rite... 00.16.15 # ok - lemme try that now 00.16.20 # * amiconn is looking for a note 00.16.27 # why does cvs say "move away xxx it is in the way" with a C in front of the file? I haven't changed anything locally :\ 00.16.36 # it seems I have to take back my old calculator 00.16.41 # change the one inside the #if NB_SCREENS==2 00.17.05 # Wett: Rather small numbers when reduced: 11289600/11059200 == 49/48 00.17.19 # petur: you have a local file which wasn't in cvs when you checked out the first time 00.17.22 # woohoo, fast 00.17.30 # Yes, found my note... 00.17.48 # now it's in cvs and you need to remove the local file 00.18.29 Quit pfavr ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20051007]") 00.18.30 Quit Kohlriba ("Leaving") 00.18.38 # but it is complaining about sourcefiles I haven't added... better remove everything and retry? 00.19.10 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.20.14 # petur: not you, someone else 00.20.30 # ok 00.20.30 # petur: which file is it 00.20.32 # ? 00.20.46 # most of them :( 00.20.52 # wow 00.21.00 # did you unpack a tar file? 00.21.25 # I prbably did something wrong yes... but I have to go now, will retry in the weekend... 00.21.30 # ok 00.22.20 # btw, will dive into the code next week, have a H340 and want to help.... just not used to CVS and cygwin... 00.22.35 # spoiled by IDE development as they say ;) 00.22.45 # wimp :-) 00.23.00 # later.. 00.23.05 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 00.23.26 # "weakened" is the word ;-) 00.23.27 Quit _DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.25.14 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.27.39 # we should change the prototype for gui_syncsplash() to an unsigned char * in the 3rd arg 00.29.50 # Bagder: still working on gcc4ification? :) 00.29.56 # yes 00.30.17 # LinusN - im still a bit confused... if this is my remote bmp hex http://www.warwickforums.co.uk/remote.txt what do i exactly put in between the code I have just PMed you? 00.30.19 # I find myself adding casts to too many gui_syncsplash() calls 00.31.32 # hshah: add that below the usb_logo_main 00.31.51 # I'll just proceed and do it I guess 00.31.55 # rename the #defines and the name accordingly 00.32.43 # usb_logo_remote is my suggestion 00.36.19 # aaah 00.36.28 # * Bagder just realized a painful flaw 00.36.37 # hm. How can I detect the end of a file ? I just... Crashes 00.36.51 # the approach: gui_syncsplash(HZ, true, str(LANG_BLABLABLA)) is used all over 00.37.05 # and if a translation adds %s in the string... 00.38.06 # why would only one translation do that? 00.38.22 # mistake, on purpose or a weird language 00.38.46 # oh no, a vulnerability... 00.38.57 # .-) 00.38.58 # Bagder: have binlang check for it 00.39.09 # %s is allowed 00.39.22 # right, it is 00.39.32 # if the english string has it 00.40.14 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.41.09 # wow 00.41.15 # * amiconn is surprised 00.41.56 # Just installed mingw and wine on my debian VM, and it simply works :) 00.42.12 # hehe 00.42.29 # lovely isn't it? 00.42.34 # you gonna run cygwin in that wine in vmware? ;-) 00.42.41 # I could try... 00.43.13 # ?too many recursions error 00.43.32 Join ender1 [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 00.44.07 # I guess this is the same mingw cross compiler as used on the build server? 00.44.15 # yes 00.45.33 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.45.51 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-223-78.tpgi.com.au) 00.46.55 # thanks LinusN - works a treat :) 00.47.04 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.47.37 # hshah: goodie 00.47.41 # LinusN: The only thing not working right in the win32 sim under wine is the timer stuff 00.47.57 # ok 00.48.00 # The 4s backlight timeout needs almost 40 real seconds 00.48.14 # Any luck with music playback yest Linus? 00.48.28 # Not sure whether wine or vmware is to blame here 00.48.42 # Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now 00.48.50 # aha 00.48.57 # k 00.50.17 Quit webguest11 ("CGI:IRC") 00.56.49 # amiconn: you're running wine in vmware, that's really hardcore :) 00.59.07 # Nah, only 2 levels 00.59.14 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.59.17 # ok, run dosbox in wine again 00.59.19 # and zsnes in that 00.59.30 # No, WinUAE under wine :) 00.59.33 # haha 00.59.49 # ...and then again PC-Task in WinUEA 01.00.41 # I have a little question, can I ask it there ? 01.00.44 # sure 01.00.47 # or even Shapeshifter with MacOS 7.x 01.00.47 # just ask 01.00.53 # amiconn: is there supposed to be a visual difference between backlight on and off in the sim? 01.01.00 # Not yet 01.01.04 # ah 01.01.09 # It just prints messages to the console 01.01.18 # ...but it's planned 01.01.33 # (win32 first, since it's way easier) 01.01.33 # When you copy the daily builds in my player is there a thing to do to backup the config ? 01.01.41 # When I* 01.01.50 # its not easier in win32 01.01.53 # it is 01.02.14 # how? 01.02.16 # We have 2 separate backlights, but the x11 window shares colours between the 2 displays 01.02.30 # The win32 sim uses one display bitmap per simulated display 01.02.35 # Each has its own palette 01.02.55 # amiconn: i tried running the win32 sim in wine here, and the backlight went off after 17s 01.03.06 # well, 1 - you can make the x11 do that or 2 - make the x11 one use different palettes on the different areas 01.03.08 # If someone would adjust the x11 sim to use 2 separate window... 01.03.13 # and none of the numpad keys works :-( 01.03.31 # Benacool: yes, go to the menu and then "manage settings" I think 01.03.39 Join lamed [0] (n=5540709a@labb.contactor.se) 01.03.51 # LinusN: Numpad works here 01.04.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.48 # ok thanks markun ^^ 01.04.52 # hey all. congrats for h300 audio, linusn. (starting to feel a tiny-little bit of sorry to only have an h120). 01.04.53 # Bagder: Probably we need the split anyway, for using highcolour in one window and palette based drawing in the other 01.05.09 # amiconn: i can't press a-b 01.05.14 # most likely, yes 01.05.14 # slasher / i? here? 01.05.29 # or have both use highcolour 01.05.31 # lamed: you wanted me something yesterday? 01.05.54 # LinusN: Ooopsors, it seems the numpad mapping for that doesn't work 01.06.02 # You can use 'Ins' instead 01.06.13 # by the way what is the command (if they are one lol) to do the "markun: message" for exemple ? I don't use IRC very often lol 01.06.14 # ah 01.06.31 # Bagder: If both are highcolour, backlight simulation will be heavy... 01.06.49 # Benacool: just type it :) 01.06.57 # later all. 01.07.00 # I wouldn't care if the simulation is "heavy" really 01.07.03 # xaviergr: wait. 01.07.05 # Maybe you have auto completion with tab 01.07.08 # markun: ohh 01.07.08 # Bagder: My idea for backlight simulation is as follows: 01.07.30 # The b&w displays are readable without backlight, so backlight on/off will just change the palette 01.07.56 # markun: ok thanks ;-) 01.08.00 # The colour displays are pitch black without backlight, so the bitmap will shown/hidden accordingly 01.08.18 # amiconn: sounds fine to me 01.08.29 # amiconn: i used Ins to bring up the main menu, then i entered the general settings menu, and after that no buttons work anymore 01.09.04 # Strange... 01.09.08 # Works fine here 01.09.17 # (both cursor keys and numpad) 01.09.18 # xaviergr: i've patched the usb cable without even cutting the power lines, just stripping them down and soldering a piece of line. now i get no sync at all (?!) but the player shows bootloader usb mode/charges with the cable. (no sync even when not charging). I guess you've got no idea so i just wanted to mention that. 01.09.46 # amiconn: try using "5" to enter the menu 01.10.21 # xaviergr: got it? 01.11.18 # LinusN: Ooops... 01.11.25 # :-) 01.11.26 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=user@24-231-249-25.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 01.11.39 # Space bar doubles as Numpad 5 and doesn't show this effect 01.11.48 # weird 01.12.05 # I don't use the numpad mappings often, because they're cumbersome on a laptop 01.12.18 # * amiconn checks under native windows 01.13.00 # * lamed wonders if he nags too much about his unchecked screen scroll patch. 01.13.04 # Hmm, this works 01.13.29 # Numpad decimal separator also works as A-B there 01.13.38 # So it's a wine problem... 01.13.46 # I wonder how wine does keymapping 01.16.09 # linusn...? busy with h300 ? 01.16.17 Quit ender1 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.18.23 # lamed: he isn't 01.18.38 # ? 01.20.10 # fancy, the bootloader has locked up on 'result: 0' 01.20.12 # 00:48 < LinusN> Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now 01.20.52 # preglow: what is 0 supposed to be? 01.20.55 # ok, this looks promising 01.20.59 # doesn't 0 mean 'success'? 01.21.11 # what's all the wired stuff on the WWW cvs package... everything is old archos material. 01.22.08 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 01.23.10 # arghh, this is almost certainly something ipod port related 01.23.15 # i should get a second tree for that 01.24.02 Join lamed [0] (n=5540709a@labb.contactor.se) 01.26.08 # yes it is... 01.33.56 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.35.05 # amiconn: commenting out the sleep loop in thread.c actually hung rockbox here 01.37.04 # btw, what does the rockbox.iriver change detection base itself on? date? 01.37.20 # size? 01.38.48 # yes, size 01.40.03 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l03m-212-194-103-107.d4.club-internet.fr) 01.40.41 # do you know if [IDC]Dragon still comes here sometimes ? 01.41.19 # preglow: size and startcluster 01.42.18 # Wett: Yes, but not often 01.42.27 # amiconn: btw, do you know why rockbox would hang when the sleep loop is commented out? 01.43.49 # does he have an email address ? A few month ago he said me he could modify his directshow filter to handle new size videos... 01.44.08 # preglow: I have no idea. Iiuc it shouldn't 01.44.58 # Wett: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/JoergHohensohn 01.45.26 # amiconn: it does 01.45.33 # amiconn: on h1x0, that is, not on ipod 01.45.50 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc136.b.pppool.de) 01.47.26 # Bagder: casting hell :/ 01.48.08 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.53.49 # ok, time to sleep. gn all 01.54.07 # and thanks btw :) 01.54.12 Quit Wett () 01.59.11 # win32 sim sound isn't the greatest success i've ever seen 02.00.31 # it even flashes 'codec failure' 02.03.10 # i've just updated the darn screen scroll patch. I most tell you guys, it's really unpleasant to go through all that effort and have everyone ignoring you. 02.03.21 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1360892&group_id=44306&atid=439120 02.06.07 Join pinkutank [0] (n=ddd@85.106.206.178) 02.06.25 # hello 02.06.35 # how are you people doing 02.06.58 # lamed: you can't count on everyone cheering on you all the time. ultimately, you have to do this for yourself. if someone's interested in it, then you will get attention 02.09.08 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.09.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.14.31 # the windows sim seems really flakey 02.17.21 # whatr did you do again lamed? 02.17.32 # went about your patch? 02.17.42 # btw, hoes audio on h300 coming along? 02.18.08 # preglow: you don't understand. i simply want it to be reviewed and talked. I think it's a great idea so i've made it. but it's totally pointless to keep updating if no dev acctually tries it! 02.18.45 # lamed: i am busy with work, and with the h300 port 02.18.46 # hey pinkutank. i was just mentioning my patch again. :/ 02.18.59 # lamed: you aren't exactly alone in this 02.19.16 # a lot of patches never makes it into cvs 02.19.48 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.20.00 # and in a related note 02.20.07 # the patch tracker needs to be cleaned up 02.20.13 # absolutely 02.20.52 # any general guidelines of what should go? can i just delete patches that are several years old? 02.20.55 # i sincerely doubt they'll apply 02.21.05 # linusn: I was sure of that, and told you before, way the go for your work. preglow: I know. anyhow it's a good idea and i'm just not sure if it's made up the best way. i know for sure it's very usefull for me. (just like pageup/down, that some users use and some never come across it) 02.21.58 # preglow: i'm going through the tracker every now and then. most stuff are just plain OLD, or already in the source... so it's not such a major deal. 02.22.12 # lamed: i'm not really into this part of rockbox, but to me it just seems like an awful lot of code for a small feature 02.23.02 # i can see the need for this feature, i've just never bumped into it myself 02.23.42 # damn, i'd completely forgotten about my patch 02.24.00 # perhaps it's time to blow the dust off it again 02.25.05 # lamed: and i'd really, really like it if this didn't introduce any new settings 02.25.12 # well I made a battery benchmark plugin, works like a charm but I didn't got a single review or comment for it. I guess I will have to live with it. It is just that sometimes I feel that all my (little) work is in vain, if noone actually is going to use them. I guess I will have to live with it. 02.25.16 # we can't keep adding settings for every new feature 02.25.20 # it's already grown too big 02.25.28 # but the new wps functions caused a big upload hit... preglow: for now it's the _only_ part i'm into rockbox... and i know it seems like lots of code, but i had to make a new driver function ( _offset functions) so it had to be added to the screen_access list as well... other then that it's just the new options in scroll menu and some little code in list.c that calculates where to put the line. 02.25.38 # preglow: why? 02.25.47 # lamed: sorry but I guess that you've run out of options about the USB/sync cable. 02.25.50 # lamed: like i said, we've already got a zillion options, and it's starting to become too muc 02.25.53 # h 02.26.18 # lamed: why does this need an enable option, btw? i thought it had a special key bound to it anyway 02.26.27 # preglow: it's in the scroll menu. there are only about 4 items there. it's pretty convinient place to set those options. 02.27.05 # oh well 02.27.10 # i might try it out tomorrow 02.27.17 # preglow: you can set it to scroll the lines out of view (-helps to keep things in the same order) and the other option is to set screen scroll step size. 02.27.19 # right now i need to finish this codec stuff before i go to bed 02.27.25 # i think it's a neat patch 02.27.37 Quit Subterranean () 02.27.49 # lamed: annoy me tomorrow and i'll see what i can do 02.27.58 # I'll be so glad :) 02.28.14 # LinusN: what do you think about the added settings? 02.28.14 # ha pestering did the work in the end :) 02.28.28 # i guess it being in the scroll menu is a valid point 02.28.36 # linus told me i've got to keep pestering... 02.28.42 # of course you do 02.28.55 # i think the "scrolls out of view" setting seems unnecessary 02.29.03 # me too 02.29.04 # noo... let me explain 02.29.39 # take a long artist name folder, like : "elvis prestly - " 02.29.49 # LinusN hows the port going 02.30.25 # pinkutank: i can play music, but the h300 can't run reliably at full cpu frequency 02.30.26 # if you use "screen scroll out of view" set to yes, then if you'll scroll artist name out of view, you can see only " - " nicely arranged. 02.30.34 # if you would set the option back to no, 02.31.35 # LinusN: wish I could help somehow, but I don't know any programming. 02.31.56 # the longer lines would be displayd correctly like "-", but the shorter song names would be displayd "vis prestly - song" which would cause things to look in a bad mannar. 02.32.04 # i decided to stay with my h120 for a while, I painted it, it will have a silicone case next week, maybe a better battery in a month 02.32.11 # I dont like the screen of the 300 02.32.22 # wish it was like the ipod nanos 02.32.27 # lamed: so why would you set it to "no"? 02.33.00 # if you dont like your screen going away 02.33.08 # because if you use it on scatterd files, with sometimes long sometimes short names, you wouldn't want to see blank lines! 02.33.19 # pinkutank: i don't like the h300 either 02.33.45 # I hope someone comes up with a decent player soon 02.34.02 # (and for now, the lines won't scroll into view if they are scrolled off the view. that's because of a problem with the scroll_thread) 02.34.28 # hows x5? , similar screen to h300?_ 02.34.33 # i like the H100 more than teh H300 02.34.39 # X5 has inferior screen to the H300 02.34.39 # pinkutank: i don't know 02.34.42 # but better overall design 02.35.14 # oh lol than no x5 for me either 02.35.23 # i like my H140 02.35.24 # if you'll use it both on album folders and on scatterd files you'll see the diffrance. linus - was i clear enough? 02.35.26 # wish ipod video had fm and decent recording 02.35.29 # colour LCDs are overrated for audio players 02.35.36 # DreamTactix291: inferior? how? 02.35.45 # LinusN: lower resolution 02.35.47 # its pixelated 02.35.49 # same as the H100 AFAIK 02.35.54 # 160x128 02.35.56 # lamed: not entirely clear, i guess i'll have to try it 02.36.05 # H300 is 220x176 02.36.24 # see the ipod 5th gen, it has a really nice screen 02.36.29 # * LinusN has ordered an x5 02.36.35 # if you seen a nano, think that, much bigger 02.36.40 # oh gosh 02.36.50 # i'm not big on the the ipods 02.36.51 # linus you gonna port? 02.36.55 # nice screen or not 02.36.59 # pinkutank: hopefully 02.37.03 # why dream? 02.37.18 # cheap looking design and touch navigation 02.37.30 # personal opinion though 02.37.34 # I think the blacks dont look cheap 02.37.50 # they still scratch easily 02.37.52 # but the last4th gens I looked at had dflimsy looking wheels 02.38.01 # Well i'll just go back on hassling everyone about it the next time i'll manage to get some intenet access... probably tommrow. 02.38.06 # yes they scrath 02.38.20 # my H140 is still in pristine shape 02.38.22 # pinkutank: i want to see your design. 02.38.28 # wps? 02.38.57 # http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0001.bmp 02.39.00 # http://www.anthrodium.com/rb/dump_0002.bmp 02.39.03 # not finished yet 02.39.12 # i'll change the rating handler 02.39.27 # implement play/pause etc thing 02.39.29 # and codec 02.39.36 # probably otmorrow or saturday 02.39.43 # pinkutank: looks good 02.39.53 # i like 02.39.54 # that genre line cycles 02.40.07 # genre/year/ hz bitrate 02.40.16 # pinkutank: looks like someting i might use... but i was talking about the player. 02.40.29 # i keep my WPS super basic 02.40.50 # pinkutank: it seems like it's a very small font isn't it? 02.41.04 # LinusN: what? your next project? 02.41.11 # and that 3 triangels is actually saying no shuffle no repeat, but I'll change it a bit, seems bit bulky like this 02.41.19 # its an 8 pixel font 02.41.33 # preglow: are you going through the tracker now? 02.41.33 # I'll modify it for bigger ones if you like it big 02.41.43 # LinusN: i was wondering what you were going to turn to next ;) 02.41.45 # lamed: another idea for the file browser: strip the first part of the file if it's the same for all files 02.41.50 # lamed: not really, how? 02.41.53 # what do oyu mean my design the player? the painted h120 you want? 02.41.58 # pink: i just think that the middle line would be too small for a bigger font. 02.42.45 # than I'll change it for the bigger version, its no problem releasing 2 02.43.15 # is there a way to create aniamted bmps? 02.43.23 # preglow: yeah, x5 seems like a nice player 02.43.23 # I tried them with alternating lines but didnt work 02.43.34 # i like the X5 almost as much as the H100s 02.43.38 # LinusN: i actually agree. have you gotten the bdm back from ac yet? 02.43.38 # only thing i'd miss is optical 02.43.51 # we won't get it 02.43.57 # excellent 02.44.02 # linusn: yeah, i remember that idea too from somewhere in the wiki. i think it would be better if the screen_scroll pixel setting might be saved in the dir cache. that way you could save the offset position of every folder. 02.44.08 # he'll return the money instead 02.44.17 # ahh 02.44.20 # in which case all is well 02.44.28 # i guess 02.44.30 # he broke it or what? ;) 02.44.45 # i just can't see what he's going to to with the bdm 02.44.49 # pinkutank: i'm sooo out of the wps area. isn't there are ways to make any font align itself by it's size? 02.45.01 # god known, intense sessions of fun, problably 02.45.06 # align to what 02.45.14 # preglow: probably :-) 02.45.39 # preglow: i'm just binding both select and mode keys to toggle controls in star game plugin... didn't wanted that to be missed. 02.45.44 # if there is a way to implement aniamted bmps in wps, I'd like to use it for charging, I've never seen a wps do it before 02.46.19 # think i'll delete the 'press and hold on button for hold' patch, old and not very useful 02.46.21 # btw, who was the sokoban noob here 02.46.22 # (preglow: there's already a pretty good star game fix that makes it much bigger and more comfortable on the hX00) 02.47.28 # someone kept saying cant go past lvl 3 on sokoban 02.49.08 # how much a bdm costs? 02.49.31 # roughly $150 02.49.44 # pinkutank... lol.. 02.50.09 # * lamed wonders if xaviergr player's bricked. 02.50.20 # that's not so much. If only I had the knowledge I would gladly give this much for it. 02.50.44 # level 3 was hard 02.50.46 # xaviergr: are you programming on the simulator or not at all..? 02.50.48 # no just wondering if I could ever help on porting something, (after a lot of studying first though) 02.51.02 # my player has like 3 things wrong with it i have to RMA it 02.51.14 # lol kyl3 was that you, the sokoban fool? 02.51.19 # what do you mean on the simulator? I program both for the simulator or the target. 02.51.22 # no 02.51.26 # but 3 was hard 02.51.27 # lol 02.51.29 # haah 02.51.35 # try 10 02.51.48 # i will when I get my h340 back 02.52.06 # hmm 02.52.12 # Now that I mentioned it I have a very old NAPA 128 MB flash player. 02.52.12 # whats there to port 02.52.13 # It sucked big time 02.52.19 # there is h10 02.52.28 # but I guess it is perfect for a guinea pig! 02.52.46 # lol youre going to port to a napa 02.52.54 # haha 02.52.54 # I'm oging to sleep 02.52.57 # imagining it 02.53.03 # bye 02.53.21 # I was planning sleeping at 1 am +- 3 02.53.29 # 6 minutes later, I'll miss it 02.53.41 Quit pinkutank () 02.53.51 # preglow, as the DAC guy here what is best on recording from line-in: 1) Gain from rockbox or 2) gain from a pre-amp? 02.54.05 # xaviergr: what do you mean "or the target", you compile a code, copy it and see if it works? -you can't get real gdb else, right? no serial port gdb mentioned on the wiki. max thing you can do it "catch mem", righet? 02.54.11 # XavierGr_: i'd say preamp, if it's good quality 02.54.29 # lamed: h1x0 has got a serial port 02.54.36 # lamed: no one's bothered to write a gdb driver yet 02.54.36 # Oh and a suggestion for Rockbox 02.54.50 # lamed: plus, you'd need some small additional hardware 02.54.51 # it's an 100euros 6 channel mixer 02.55.02 # XavierGr_: well, i'd say go for that anyway 02.55.07 # will Rockbox get rid of the 9999 file/2000 folder/200Mb/2hr record celings? 02.55.16 # yes 02.55.24 # XavierGr_: i don't think the iriver preamp is anything you'll want furhter aquaintance with 02.55.41 # thank god... i hit it everytime i record classes 02.55.43 # preglow: that's what i ment. so the only way i could get to be more serious about rb is with a gdb wiggler. no other ways? 02.55.44 # lamed I meant that I program on the sim if it is applicable else I test the code right on target. Did you meant if I code the player from a bdm? od course not. 02.56.15 # lamed: more serious? you can code perfectly well with no hardware debugging aid 02.56.19 # and with the hd spindown feature, there will be no more HD spinups every 2 mins 02.56.33 # yes 02.56.33 # i have neither bdm nor serial port connection 02.56.58 # actually you can code very well even if you don't have a DAP :p 02.57.01 # xaviergr: yeah that's what i've thought. how did you studied more about the hardware? 02.57.13 # lamed: for the code you write, debugging in the sim will do very well 02.57.30 Join pinkutank [0] (n=ddd@85.106.206.178) 02.57.32 # it's worse for us poor sods that work on code that needs hardware specific features :/ 02.57.37 # what hardware? I just told you that I don't use a bdm or anything hardware related. 02.58.11 # preglow I gusee then that you write low-level test programs to see how the hardware responds? 02.58.29 # preglow: that's how i made the screen scroll patch / fast inc/dec sound settings patch / star game fix patch. but i was wondering, how do all the (serious?) programmers know what to do? i mean... they wrote the sim. 02.58.31 # I couldnt sleep 02.58.41 # I just remembered something 02.58.48 # you guys have to port for the gmini 402 02.58.55 # it has POTENTial 02.59.00 # XavierGr_: wish i was that clever 02.59.14 Join _Kingstone [0] (n=sg1@195.226.51.74) 02.59.18 # pinkutank: Did you actually tried to sleep? :p you came back after 5 minutes, how on earth could you have slept on such short interval? 02.59.52 # but yeah, i have done test programs 03.00.02 # preglow: so what kind of patches do you acctually do? (i've figured what xaviergr said about low level test progs) 03.00.02 Nick XavierGr_ is now known as XavierGr (n=XavierGr@ppp11-adsl-10.ath.forthnet.gr) 03.00.20 Quit Kingstone (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.00.20 # lamed: i do codec and dsp stuff, plus the ipod port 03.00.24 Nick _Kingstone is now known as Kingstone (n=sg1@195.226.51.74) 03.00.31 # I meant i couldnbt go to sleep when I thought of rockbox on gmini 402 03.00.49 # that would be pretty cool 03.00.51 # pinkutank: then i recommend you get one and start working, no one else seems to be planning it 03.00.52 # It even has video output to tvs playing divx 03.00.54 # hehe 03.01.06 # my PMP-120 does that too but it's ridiculously picky about files 03.01.10 # :( 03.01.48 # preglow: ahhh.. you could do that on your comupter..? don't you need to know the hardware for that? all written in C on the sim and just works on the player? 03.01.54 # if< pinkutank< programming:1 buy gmini 402 and try> 03.01.58 # preglow: excuse me, you said that every pre-amp must be better that iriver pre-amplification? 03.02.17 # lamed: that's what i said, i need to use the hardware, it's a lot of assembler from time to time 03.02.36 # it decodes divx realtime : good cpu 03.02.39 # 2.2" screen 03.02.44 # small as an Ipod 03.02.47 # pulling up and lowering signals man must be a real pain. 03.02.52 # XavierGr: not _every_, but most, i guess 03.03.04 # can be had for 200$ 03.03.12 # by divx i'm assuming you mean MPEG-4 ASP 03.03.25 # no 03.03.28 # is there any other kind of divx? 03.03.42 # divx 4.0 and after as MPEG-4 ASP encoders 03.03.44 # ermm 03.03.47 # mpeg 4 sp 03.03.47 # as is 3ivx, XviD, etc 03.03.50 # not asp 03.03.50 # I just blowed my ears trying to set a good settings with the preamp, now they ring like hell. I should have lower all signals before putting the earphones in my ears! :x 03.03.51 # :D 03.03.59 # SP isn't common at all 03.04.05 # ? 03.04.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.04.13 # Xvid and Divx is sp 03.04.13 # XavierGr: consider it a lesson learnt 03.04.17 # no 03.04.20 # they are ASP :) 03.04.27 # oh 03.04.30 # advanced simple profile 03.04.32 # then I'm stupid 03.04.36 # nah 03.04.38 # ok its asp 03.04.40 # preglow any exprerience with preamps before? 03.04.43 # i just know audio and video codecs :P 03.04.45 # XavierGr: very little 03.04.50 # but not enough to program :( 03.04.55 # it even has a game gear emulator 03.04.58 # :) 03.05.13 # would be useful if i played video games 03.05.22 # but i gave them up years ago lol 03.05.32 # should i say even good without rockbox? hmm no that would be blaspheomus 03.05.32 # It seems that I cant really get better quality compared to the iriver itself. I must try harder. 03.05.48 # preglow. a question. the original iriver fw could inc/decrease audio speed. that means somewhere in the hardware it's possible. do you know your way, say to this place, to make it work? (just trying to understand the relation between your work and why _do_ you need a remote gdb at all) 03.06.12 # lamed: i could have playback speed adjustment working in half an hour, but the internals of rockbox makes it a bit difficult 03.06.33 # without doing a Nasty Hack, that is 03.06.33 # preglow: also I was wrong about the mic setting in the iriver fw. Rockbox is way better on this too. I just didn't know that there are 2 "Gain" options in rb. 03.07.14 # lamed: i _don't_ need a remote gdb 03.07.30 # i'd like one, but i don't need one 03.07.59 # now that I mention it: why are there 2 gain options in recording? ADC l/r and the one in recording screen? 03.07.59 # right now i'd sure as hell love one, i love these elusive crashes 03.08.02 # wow. could you guid me to where and what should i read about that kind of work? (will i get a plain "go through the source" respod) 03.08.19 # lamed: you mean about codec and audio coding? 03.10.07 # hmm, seems rather huge subject isn't it? right now i've wanted to be able to make a "line in open" option, so i could wier a discman through my player and to an amp, not to loose voltage when Y splitting an entrence. 03.10.35 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@p54A7E03E.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.10.41 # lamed: you need a good background in maths, for one 03.11.07 # i just picked up digital signal processing by myself over a number of years after becoming interested in synthesizers 03.11.53 # lamed: you mean a passthrough option? that's not hard 03.12.06 # i believe rockbox already does that 03.12.35 # in recording mode, that is 03.13.22 # yes, but i mean when you want to mix something with your player audio. 03.13.48 # mix the cd audio with sound from the h1x0? 03.15.12 # right. if i'll Y split an auxilury jack, i'll get about 75 perecent of the volume. - from what i know, this is because of voltage drawn from every source. 03.15.31 # depends on the equipment 03.15.51 # h120 03.16.10 # btw , gmini 400 are already broken in http://gmini400.com/index.php?option=com_smf&Itemid=69&board=7.0 03.18.58 # one happy day in the future, i'll make my Super Duper iRiver Digital Effects Box Project 03.19.27 # wonder how i'll integrate that into the rest of rockbox, heh 03.24.17 Join San [0] (n=Test@194.125.99.64) 03.24.30 # preglow: if only i had the knowladge... i was thinking of something that could seriously mix tracks (proffesionally?) but for that i have to get two sources out of the box: one for the phones and the other for an amp... there's no way to do that on the phones/lineout jack right? the only diffrance between them is the preamp? 03.25.52 # the only difference is that the headphones has a headphone amplifier 03.26.09 Quit solexx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.26.10 # the line out only has a simple buffer 03.26.26 # lamed: knowledge can be acquired, just start reading and coding 03.27.13 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.27.51 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@c214139.adsl.hansenet.de) 03.29.21 # of course it can be... but i'm only coding in c for the last couple of month, after not programming for several years. I'll be glad to know how to make a line in/out kind of patch though. don't forget tommorw i'll pest you again about my screen scroll patch :) 03.29.36 # sure 03.29.45 # but that'll be tomorrow, now: sleep 03.29.55 Quit pinkutank () 03.29.56 # btw. pgup/down isn't functioning like it should. are you aware of that? 03.32.08 # preglow. last question. say i spot something like all the small problems with how filelist and playlist are now scrolling since list.c widget. should i make a patch that resolves the problem? 03.33.54 Quit XavierGr ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 03.35.35 Join Febs [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 03.41.00 # Gnight 03.41.03 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 03.47.37 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.48.07 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-157-39-233.bna.bellsouth.net) 03.58.34 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.00.17 Quit uncledrax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.03.18 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 04.03.52 # Just a very minor thing, the Bejeweled pluging runs a significant amount slower now, it seems. I'm not sure when this change occured. Hardly anything important, but just a note. 04.11.11 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 04.11.27 Part LinusN 04.25.25 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp11-adsl-10.ath.forthnet.gr) 04.26.53 Join fingersoup [0] (n=Fingerso@S010600508df503dc.vs.shawcable.net) 04.27.21 # Anyone know of issues with Rockbox and file transfer on Linux using IRiver? 04.28.45 Part fingersoup ("Kopete 0.9.0 : http://kopete.kde.org") 04.38.15 # just mount /dev/sd* mountpoint 04.38.26 # usually sda1 04.38.30 # or sda 04.39.39 # well, he's not here, but since they sitll haven't worked around the need to reset the device whenever it returns a broken usb packet 04.39.40 # ... 04.39.48 # it's just not rockbox specific 04.41.07 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.47.56 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@211.248.102.131) 04.48.03 # hi 04.48.48 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 04.48.56 # Looking back, no one ever saw the amount of memory on a graphics card equaling or surpassing the total amount of system memory, certainly not hitting 1 GB when in SLI configuration! 04.49.05 # one problem with this statement: I did 04.49.15 # in fact i've been waiting for it 04.49.22 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-52.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.49.36 # I had a 32mb video card in a 32mb system once 04.50.00 # I think many people saw it coming. 04.50.01 # I've been wanting a 1gb gfx card for a while now 04.50.18 # I want to see entire planets rendered in realtime 04.50.21 # in a game 04.50.31 # 'eh 04.50.31 # and that takes 1gb of gfx ram to do properly 04.50.39 # That doesn't take 1gb of GFX memory 04.50.44 # You can stream the textures from the HD 04.50.52 # And that's what a good deal of it is used for. 04.51.56 # you trying to render a planet or a solar system 04.52.05 # You said planet. 04.52.08 # and how much detail etc are you going for? 04.52.10 # k 04.52.13 # heh 04.52.18 # Besides, are you talking about seeing it all at once? 04.52.19 # (planet/solar system in my case) 04.52.41 # And are you talking about the planet having proportional scale, or what? 04.52.47 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.52.52 # planets having real scale 04.52.53 # I mean, at the scale that a planet appears round, you can make up the surface detail with good application of bump mapping 04.52.56 # Or better yet, pixel shaders. 04.53.17 # talking about being able to go from space 04.53.26 # to 1 metre above the surface 04.53.31 # and running around 04.53.42 # Yes, but as you zoom the rendering field is clipped, and detail can then be loaded from disk realtime as you zoom in. 04.53.44 # with trees 04.53.49 # and objects etc 04.54.10 # oh and the game has to track the entire solar system in realtime 04.54.13 # With a good HD access speed, and a decent processor, you could *easily* pull that off respectably on a 256 MB Geforce 5 series 04.54.18 # Or ATI 9XXX series 04.54.25 # cool 04.54.26 # Tracking it is easy 04.54.35 # Since you don't *see* the solar system, all you're tracking is points. 04.54.45 # You don't have to calculate all the triangles offscreen, there's absolutely no benefit in that 04.54.52 # obviously 04.54.58 # isn't that what backface culling does? 04.55.09 # cuts out what's not going to be visible 04.55.18 # Pretty much. 04.55.53 # But really, they don't optimize as much as they used to these days. 04.56.11 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 04.56.13 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-120-52.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.56.22 # ever played vegastrike 04.56.25 # Indeed 04.56.28 # or the privateer remake? 04.56.29 # yeah 04.56.34 # Well, I can't say "played" vegas strike 04.56.38 # I didn't enjoy the controls 04.56.38 # I know the head dev, that's bascially what we want 04.56.49 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 04.57.03 # I prefer the gemini gold remake myself 04.57.12 # Ah, so a realtime tracked solar system, in which the player is free to hop from planet to planet involving himself as he likes? 04.57.23 # yeah 04.57.36 # and then being able to jump into other solar systems... 04.57.54 # most of the VS ideas are from Wing Commander 04.58.07 # hence the name Vega Strike... WC1 was set in Vega sector 04.58.26 # Indeed 04.58.30 # was originally going to be a privateer mod till some OSS guys thought they'd get sued 04.58.41 # hence the now 3? projects 04.58.54 # Yeah. EA has the rights to Privateer, no? Which makes it dangerous. 04.58.59 # http://graphics.tomshardware.com/graphic/20051114/nvidia_geforce_7800_gtx_512-04.html - geez that card is huge 04.59.04 # yeah EA has the rights 04.59.16 # doubt they'll do anything tho.. they know the project exists 04.59.21 # Yeah. 04.59.34 # Well, they may be waiting to sue until there's money to get from it. 04.59.35 # we've contacted people within Origin when it still existed 04.59.50 # Yeah, but Origin was a lot nicer. 04.59.57 # heh money from an OSS project... hehehe 05.00.21 # Or at least, until there's enough work done that they can sue for all the work, and then use it for their own purposes? Free programming 05.00.30 # I already hear they pay their employees little enough 05.00.34 # the code they couldn't get 05.00.35 # I miss Origin. 05.00.36 # the artwork sure 05.00.39 # yeah 05.00.41 # Richard Garriot lives somewhere around here. 05.00.46 # Origin did some sweet stuff 05.01.05 # Yeah 05.01.07 # Some of the original WC2/Priv artwork got leaked from them.. 05.01.20 # I actually liked WC: Armada quite a lot 05.01.21 # bout 20,000-40,000 polys per model 05.01.25 # Wow 05.01.30 # we don't use the ships in the game out of respect 05.01.51 # most of the detail is wasted on curves heh 05.01.56 # Of course 05.02.02 # all the armada ships got leaked afaik 05.02.13 # Back when you had to defined them point by point. 05.02.24 # wow - your convo has literally filled my whole screen - time to spoil it :p 05.02.26 # I think they used autocad 05.02.36 # Hehehe 05.02.40 # 'alo Hshah 05.02.47 # http://www.wcnews.com/articles/art32.shtml 05.02.50 # hello Paul_The_Nerd 05.02.55 # and hello DMJC 05.03.02 # hello hshah 05.03.18 # I wish I could remember which ship I always mass produced... 05.03.47 # arrow? banshee? gladius? 05.03.54 # human or kilrathi? 05.04.01 # Human 05.04.04 # It was the medium one 05.04.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.04.09 # bansee 05.04.12 # wraith? 05.04.12 # Ah 05.04.12 # *banshee 05.04.16 # I think Wraith 05.04.18 # Not sure 05.04.19 # It's been forever 05.04.23 # wraith - stargate atlantis 05.04.27 # It doesn't like my XP based systems, no matter what I've tried. 05.06.35 Join lamed [0] (n=5540709a@labb.contactor.se) 05.07.19 # I'm always panicing before iriver firmware upgrades.... arghhhhasdfgaerdf 05.07.37 # Why? 05.07.50 # "DO NOT TOUCH DURING FIRMWARE UPGRADE" so scarry... 05.07.56 # i've bricked two players that way... 05.08.05 # and it takes time until shutting down... 05.08.08 # With iRiver official upgrades?! 05.08.11 # What type of players? 05.08.30 # that's it. shut down. h120 with fwpatcher v6. should i press the on button? i'm so scared... 05.08.34 # i'm pressing. 05.08.44 # yey! works. 05.09.02 # Geee.... hate that. 05.09.16 # Hehehe 05.09.44 # well, it looks the same ... nice to know i'm updated though. 05.10.28 # all calm and relaxed now. 05.11.07 # Hehehe 05.13.16 # lamed: it's the same thing for me so your not alone lol 05.17.23 # good to know... but did it took you two month every time to get your player from repairs..? 05.20.10 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 05.20.11 # I never had to get it repaired lol 05.20.20 # doh ... 05.20.37 # too late lol 05.22.27 # i bricked an ipod shuffle once 05.23.32 # How? 05.25.09 # nah i didn't 05.26.11 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.26.14 # I never really understood the appeal of the shuffle. 05.26.20 Part Benacool 05.26.33 # i don't either, but i see so many people with on 05.26.35 # one 05.26.45 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@220-244-239-74-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 05.26.56 # People are iPod crazy 05.27.01 # ane they believe that the shuffle is the ONLY mp3 player for $100 05.27.13 # and the first of its kind 05.27.24 # Yeah 05.27.26 # A lot of them do 05.27.35 # I like the mobiblu cube, if I was looking for something small 05.27.45 # Nice looking screen, $130 for 1gb, and less than an inch to a side. 05.27.50 # And rechargeable battery 05.27.58 # me, i have a rio forge 05.28.07 # with a 2.0GB sd card 05.28.09 # But I don't have a flash player at the moment 05.28.23 # I'm thinking of the Nano though. It kinda appeals to me, with the relatively nice screen, and the future Rockbox support 05.28.32 # yeah 05.28.46 # i would get an ipod if it had rockbox 05.29.06 # I wouldn't get a normal iPod, but the Nano doesn't really have comparable flash players right now 05.29.15 # maybe the rb firmware would support decent uses of the dock connector 05.30.53 # Who knows 05.39.28 Join Acoc [0] (n=chatzill@pcp177174pcs.plsntv01.nj.comcast.net) 05.42.26 # hey guys, I was wondering what the component named "Archos 5V Card HD v1.1" did 05.43.26 # every time I take the whole thing apart, the dumb power wires keep falling off 05.45.14 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.49.23 Quit Kyl3 () 05.49.38 # By the way, has only used an adapter to turn the ide port into a compact flash drive port 05.57.21 Join AnInternetUser [0] (i=oups@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3d-b-34.buf.adelphia.net) 05.57.51 Quit PaulJ (".") 05.57.54 # when is rock box out??? 05.58.30 # Topic is 'Seriously, we DO NOT estimate release dates. You'll find out when it happens.' 05.59.35 # so when is it estimated 05.59.45 # Dude, look at the topic 05.59.54 # It's ready when it's ready 06.00.02 # god no1 can see e-sarcasm 06.00.18 # It doesn't convey very well... ;) 06.00.36 # Especially considering how many people *seriously* ask it 06.00.38 # Often 06.00.55 # oh the title kinda gives it away i would think 06.01.00 # maybe everyone just doesnt read 06.01.09 # I read. 06.01.21 # I saw someone come in and ask when it would be released. 06.01.40 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 06.01.56 # * CheeseBurgerMan does as well. 06.02.12 # actually isnt already out for most players? 06.02.34 # What do you mean by "most" players? 06.02.41 # Most DAPs out there, no. ;) 06.03.03 # It's "out" for several Archos players 06.03.05 # like the ones it is supposed to work for 06.03.12 # archos and iriver h1xx 06.03.13 # It's... well on its way for the H100 series of iRivers 06.03.34 # as i read it the games arent being developed right now 06.03.46 # Well, it all depends on if someone wants to do it. 06.03.48 # for h300 06.04.12 # The "core" people are often "core" because they're working on the important matters of 'making things function' ;-) 06.04.15 # i wish someone would make something work all the way 06.04.19 # AnInternetUser: the H300 isn't quite stable enough to work on, there's a couple of hardware issues to hunt down. 06.04.21 # so i could have a reason to install it 06.04.33 # yeah thats what i thought 06.04.49 # * ashridah notes the developer with the hardware to do the job has a dayjob as well 06.04.55 # Yes 06.04.57 # and a family 06.05.24 # he should hire some geniuses like bill gates 06.05.31 # except he has no money 06.05.35 # and since rockbox's only recently been available for the H300, new developers will take a small amount of time to get used to the general architecture and functionality of rockbox before they can be effective 06.05.55 # hiring someone like bill gates wouldn't get him any closer. 06.06.03 # thats not what i mean 06.06.05 # I think he meant "Like bill gates, he should hire people" 06.06.07 # even if bill gates WAS an embedded hardware developer 06.06.14 # aah 06.06.29 # I think there's some pretty effective people working on Rockbox anyway 06.06.56 # so once it gets off the ground the progress should actually be relatively fast 06.07.05 # AnInternetUser: if you believe throwing people at a problem solves a problem faster, i might suggest you read 'The Mythical Man Month' for a thorough debunking of the view :) 06.07.22 # i am not some software developer :( 06.07.30 # just an internet user 06.07.33 # that has an h320 06.07.41 # you don't really need to be. many of the lessons apply to non-software development tasks 06.08.58 # Hehehe 06.09.21 # but yeah. throwing someone else in wouldn't get it done any faster, given the current progress. 06.09.54 # Yeah, it'd be too hard to get him to understand exactly what's going on. 06.10.06 # and there's plenty of intelligent people to do the other essential components, and when we get right down to it, a *lot* of the complicated work has already been done on the H1xx 06.10.16 # It's also the fact that right now, it's primarily a one man job until the bootloader is solid, and the hardware variation is known, right? 06.10.17 # CheeseBurgerMan: not hard, time consuming. 06.10.50 # ashridah: I stand corrected. 06.10.53 # Isn't a lot of the work just adapting the display code after that? 06.11.01 Quit Acoc ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050920]") 06.13.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: it doesn't seem to have been too hard to get black and white, and they've already displayed colour stuff. once you've got accurate information, it's a matter of crunching the details (and, of course, determining a useful way to store colour internally) 06.13.33 # Are they gonna do user defined colors? 06.13.38 # Like, for the text and backdrop? 06.14.07 # not sure. 06.14.14 # i think things are slowly heading that way 06.14.19 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 06.14.22 # with the theme stuff 06.14.26 # Yeah 06.14.51 # I've got an H120, and as far as I'm concerned, once any sort of compression is in for recording, I'm not eager for anything else. Heh 06.14.58 # Though Wav2wv gets the job done anyway 06.16.15 # Though if that whole pixel positioned WPS and or multiple-font WPS comes into play, that would probably excite me greatly. But that's like "I wouldn't care if it never shows up, but it'd sure be neat" kinda thing. 06.16.16 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-60-229-178-125.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 06.16.26 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.17.23 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s208a.studby.ntnu.no) 06.19.04 Quit AnInternetUser () 06.19.19 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-157-39-233.bna.bellsouth.net) 06.28.44 # I know it would be a heck of a lot of work, but WOULD IT BE POSSIBLE to integrate USBOTG support for something such as this on the H3xx: http://www.meritline.com/apmp3playmem.html enabling the OTG reading of cds and possibly even ripping audio cds to MP3 OTF? 06.29.07 # or other mobile USB cd readers 06.29.17 Join noel_sad_song [0] (n=c87ec44a@labb.contactor.se) 06.29.34 # something like this may be more effective http://www.meritline.com/apmp3playmem.html 06.29.39 # oops 06.29.46 # http://www.addonics.com/products/external_cd/pocket_ii.asp i mean 06.31.17 # I'm not an expert, but I strongly suspect that it'd be *possible.* 06.31.38 # i reckon it would be awesome. OTF cd reading or ripping 06.31.53 # I imagine it wouldn't be as awesome as you expected 06.32.15 # why do you imagine that 06.32.15 # I suspect it'd end up fairly slow. 06.32.29 # yeah, but you still wouldn't have to have a PC 06.32.45 # I suppose 06.32.52 # It seems rather a special case, though 06.32.56 # for example i have a lot of bus trips with friends who have discmans. I could borrow their cds and rip straight to my hdd 06.33.03 # on the bus 06.33.29 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 06.33.57 # i know USBOTG hasn't been tackled yet, but I think portable CD readers should be looked into 06.34.02 # Is the drive battery powered? 06.34.08 # It looked like it required AC power. 06.34.15 # ummm 06.34.19 # battery or USB i think 06.34.34 # Ah, but I don't think the H300 can deliver USB power 06.34.36 # Membrillo: a discman exports a data interface a pc can use? 06.34.43 # (usb data interface, i mean) 06.35.13 # aah, i see, you're planning on taking your own drive 06.35.18 # yes 06.35.19 # ahsridah he's linked a external CD drive that's USB interface, and "requires no drivers under etc etc" 06.35.41 # Membrillo: i'd suspect the cpu would be too taxed to be able to stop jitter from creepign in, tbh 06.35.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: i missed the link 06.35.55 # Gotcha 06.36.11 # hmmm, so you think the H3xx would struggle? 06.36.45 # Membrillo: i know transferring files over usbotg currently is slow as hell on iriver's firmware. i don't know how much of that's sheer cpu grunt limitation tho 06.36.54 # well possibly the files could be transfered as lossless then compressed to MP3 (or other lossy codec) after. Of course that would take ages but would it work? 06.36.59 # it just depends if there's some way to avoid issues with jitter 06.37.11 # that doesn't just involve keeping a perfectly regular read rate 06.37.27 # you probably wouldn't be able to encode at the same time, i'd say. 06.38.01 # ok, so what about transfering as lossless then encoding from the iRiver? apart from taking ages 06.38.25 # not unfeasable. 06.39.03 # so there could be possible workarounds if you were patient 06.39.34 # Or just find the cheapest laptop you can, and use that instead. :-P 06.39.51 # From time to time you'll find laptops cheaper than that external CD drive 06.39.58 # And they're much more useful. 06.40.22 # i guess 06.40.50 # an external CD drive is a lot more conviniently sized than a laptop though 06.41.00 # I suppose 06.41.01 # i'd just record directly from the discman, but i'm betting it doesn't have optical out, and the H3xx sadly does not have optical in, so you're going to get some amount of loss 06.41.11 # you could, of course, just stop committing copyright violation :) 06.42.08 # Membrillo: does that cdrom drive support ASPI type raw access, or whatever one uses to rip these days? 06.42.59 # ummm 06.43.04 # let me check if its on that page 06.43.11 # I was thinking about that. 06.43.37 # I was gonna say something like "It may only be useable for data discs" but I didn't know if that would just sound silly, as I don't know much about audio CDs and how they're ripped / handled /etc 06.44.24 # i did find it runs on 8 AA batteries... 06.45.07 # ah, it has firewire... if only iRiver had a firewire port 06.45.37 # cant see anything about access types 06.46.15 # although it has a headphone jack, implying it can read audio cds 06.47.29 Quit noel_sad_song ("CGI:IRC") 06.50.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, some of them handle burning, so they must have some kind of raw interface 06.51.16 # I dunno 06.51.31 # Membrillo: it's more the usb access than what the drive can do. reading audio cds vs reading data isn't too much different 06.51.42 # It's not necessary that they do. 06.52.00 # ok sure 06.52.47 # you can get about.... 1-2mb\s out of USB2 can you not? what sort of speeds would you need to get encoding as you send across 06.54.19 # or is it the stability of the USB connection 06.57.00 # Membrillo: if you've got enough cpu grunt AND enough bandwidth to the usb controller, which the H3xx may well not have 06.58.44 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 07.01.32 Quit Membrillo () 07.04.02 Quit Zak1392 () 07.04.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.35.22 Join San [0] (n=Test@212.2.166.242) 07.53.43 Join Sanitarium [0] (n=Test@213-202-175-136.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 07.54.15 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.04.34 # is the directory cache saved to disk? 08.13.39 Join modafroman [0] (n=subatomi@CPE-138-130-209-123.qld.bigpond.net.au) 08.17.35 # ashridah: not currently. But in future if user wants to flash rockbox, then that will be possible to do 08.17.50 # Where is it kept then? 08.18.01 # it's build on every boot on background 08.18.09 # Oh, right 08.18.18 # Just the amount of space to reserve for it is stored, right? 08.18.19 # safe to put rockbox on intl yet? 08.18.25 Join webguest01 [0] (n=c2848364@labb.contactor.se) 08.18.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes 08.18.42 # änyone know how the h3xx port is going? 08.19.55 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.20.10 # Well, the bootloader is still V1 so, I would hazard a guess to say 'No' 08.20.21 # ahh 08.20.41 # Not to say that "V2" will mean Yes. 08.20.53 # Just that "V1" should always mean no, I'd say 08.21.30 Quit Sanitarium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.23.08 Quit webguest01 (Client Quit) 08.29.27 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.37.55 Quit RotAtoR ("Leaving") 08.41.05 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 08.52.18 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 08.52.39 # while i was looking on the iRiver port i noticed "Panic Handler" what is this/ 08.53.09 # using it, or looking at the source? 08.55.17 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 08.55.26 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.55.32 # on the wiki 08.56.03 # okay. got a link? generally, a panic is when the firmware detects something that just doesn't make sense. 08.56.49 # so it'll be tied to things like the illegal instruction interrupt handler, and a bunch of asserts will trigger it, ie, when some variable exceeds a predefined maximum 08.56.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort 08.56.54 # software work 08.57.24 # Panic handler Done Same, 90% Done 08.57.29 # yeah. i see. 08.58.01 # it's part of the infrastructure rockbox provides. mistakes happen, and having asserts and whatnot that detect unexpected stuff helps protect the player from damaging itself 08.58.08 # (by say, corrupting the stack) 08.58.10 # ahh i see 08.58.21 # pretty nifty thing then 08.58.37 # any noticeable differences with todays h300 build? 08.58.40 # so my guess is 'same, 90%' is just basically meaning 'it shouldn't be different, but it needs testing plus perhaps some minor modifications' 08.58.50 # i don't know. i'd have to have one first ;) 08.58.57 # =] 08.59.05 # though you might have heard something 08.59.20 # i think Linus has been busy today 08.59.37 # are there any rockbox builds that play audio yet? 08.59.40 # Acksaw: but whatever i hear will be from this channel. 08.59.46 # alright 08.59.51 # im hear allday today anyways 09.00.00 # im gonna have a play with todays build 09.00.14 # Acksaw: if you want to check what you missed, full logs are on www.rockbox.org/irc/ anyway 09.00.32 # true 09.00.34 # modafroman: I don't believe linus has checked it in yet 09.00.48 # modafroman: it needs debugging, and they generally try to avoid checking in half finished work 09.01.07 # no, personally 09.01.15 # i wouldnt expect audio for a few more days 09.01.24 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 09.01.48 # soon as audio is half decent i will start using rb, iriver firmware keeps dieing, reckons battery is low :\ 09.02.10 # modafroman: if there's a hardware issue, rockbox isn't going to magically fix it 09.02.32 # i know, but i want to use rb anyway :p 09.03.08 # 00.48.14 # Any luck with music playback yest Linus? 09.03.08 # 00.48.28 # Not sure whether wine or vmware is to blame here 09.03.08 # 00.48.42 # Kyl3: working on non-rockbox stuff now 09.03.17 # seems as though linus was pretty busy 09.03.42 # Modaroman, maybe you battery is dying 09.03.51 # it seems it is 09.04.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.04.44 # get a replacement one 09.04.56 # one of them ipod 1g/2g ones from ebay 09.05.02 # for a couple of dollars/pounds 09.05.04 # morning :) 09.05.11 # Mornin' 09.06.15 # How do you adapt the ipod ones for an iRiver 09.06.24 # Like, is there an easy way to get the plug off to switch the pins? 09.07.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, it's called "scissors" 09.07.31 # :) 09.07.37 # I considered that 09.07.43 # But I don't know where to get a replacement one. 09.07.46 # duct tape and soldering do well :) 09.08.01 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD4BE5.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.08.10 # Ah, so "forget using the proper plug, just use "permanent" methods to attach the new one?" 09.08.22 # new plug? 09.08.34 # hm, are the plugs different as well as the wrong polarity? 09.08.37 # * ashridah hasn't looked 09.08.41 # Oh 09.08.49 # You're saying cut the wires halfway, and switch there? 09.09.05 # i wouldn't do it halfway, if you screw it, you want enough to try again with a new plug 09.09.39 # Ideally I'd like to *just* try it with a new plug, but I don't know where to find one. 09.09.57 # * Paul_The_Nerd doesn't know exactly what to look for. 09.11.05 # any electronics hobby store should have what you need 09.11.27 # Paul 09.11.30 # check on MR 09.11.32 # if you don't know where your nearest one is, you can't really in all fairness call yourself a nerd now, can you :) 09.11.37 # theres a few guides i believe 09.11.52 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 09.11.53 # Heh 09.11.59 # * B4gder giggles 09.12.07 # I've been to a couple, and they've always said 'we don't have anything like that in that size' 09.12.31 # then they aren't real hobby stores 09.12.59 # Yeah, I guess I need to look a little harder. 09.13.41 # it may depend entirely on what's available in your area. i used to do computer systems engineering tho, knew all the haunts in my city for decent electronics gear. 09.13.48 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.14.00 # I'm sure there's somewhere around here 09.14.19 # I should probably just talk to some EE students at UT and see if any of them can recommend somewhere. 09.14.39 # UT is the University around here, btw. 09.14.55 # Though I guess that was kinda obvious from the "students at" bit. 09.17.56 Join djgalak [0] (n=chatzill@std93-2-81-56-78-4.fbx.proxad.net) 09.22.17 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 09.23.40 Quit djgalak ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") 09.25.40 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.25.40 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD4BE5.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.29.54 # H100 came to me. :) 09.30.12 # Its HDD didn't broke down. 09.30.47 # It's no problem! hahaha :D 09.31.06 # im off 09.31.09 Quit Acksaw () 09.33.07 Quit Zak1392 () 09.47.42 Join mashalla [0] (n=kvirc@p5498E395.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.50.20 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 09.57.00 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-141-95.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 10.07.57 # hehehe 10.08.24 # It's normal. 10.10.06 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 10.17.37 Quit modafroman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.21.41 Join webguest38 [0] (n=522e39b4@labb.contactor.se) 10.22.19 Quit mashalla ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 10.23.07 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.04 Nick Vlad0man is now known as Vladoman (n=Vladoman@p54A7E03E.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.58.49 # linuxstb, preglow: setting the endian bit for the ARM doesn't affect instruction fetches http://lists.arm.linux.org.uk/pipermail/linux-arm-kernel/2001-November/006142.html 11.00.37 # markun: That explains why ARM is normally run in little-endian mode then. 11.03.05 Join Polo_o [0] (n=polo_o@82-69-160-166.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 11.04.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.04.54 Join yngwi [0] (n=chatzill@chello080109107064.1.15.vie.surfer.at) 11.05.37 Quit yngwi (Client Quit) 11.07.02 Join webguest45 [0] (n=522788bc@labb.contactor.se) 11.10.00 # well, i didn't really expect it to affect instruction fetches 11.10.40 # but granted, that makes it a bit clearer why it might be slower in big endian mode 11.12.19 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 11.13.32 # Jungti1234, have you installed Rockbox on your h100 yet? 11.13.55 # yes 11.14.00 # :) 11.15.12 # Jungti1234, congratulations. Then you get to see what you can expect from the h300 when that port is a bit more mature. 11.15.18 # afk 11.15.34 # hehe thanks 11.15.52 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 11.15.54 # hey 11.15.54 # I go to eat. 11.16.14 DBUG Enqueued KICK Jungti1234 11.16.14 # * Jungti1234 ´ÔÀº ºÎÀçÁßÀ̽ʴϴÙ.(1Dinner) 11.16.28 # will the H300 port be finished at the same times as teh H100 (by concentrating on getting the H300 port up to H100 stage) or will equal resources be placed in both? just wondered, thank :) 11.16.45 # thanks* 11.16.46 # read the tpic 11.16.51 # it will be done when its dones 11.18.42 # hmm 11.18.50 # i need an english bomberman rom 11.19.32 # well, if you'd actually answered my question i might have sent one via email. 11.19.39 # webguest38, as Rockbox is always in development, you can not expect it to be finished. What you can expect is a release some time in the future. 11.19.47 # not to mention being rude 11.20.17 # i wasnt being rube 11.20.18 # A new development snapshot is available as soon as someone makes a commit to cvs 11.20.24 # i was answering your question 11.20.33 # i understand that, i was just simply commenting on how developing resources were split between the two efforts, not about a time frame 11.21.04 # and yes by "finished" I meant an official release of sorts ;) 11.21.50 # reason i asked was it just seems the H100 port has cooled off a bit, while the H300 is developing rapidly. 11.22.41 # There will be no split i guess, developers will work one what they want to, no one target is given any priority 11.22.57 # webguest45: Rockbox doesn't have "developing resources". There are just people that work on what they want to work on, when they want to work on it. 11.23.05 # i think that there is a priority on getting the audio working on the h300 11.23.13 # no there isn't :) 11.23.15 # as that will be enough for most people 11.23.54 # ah i see 11.23.55 # it could be weeks or months before audio is working on the h300, just because linus has been busy this week, he does have a life :) 11.24.06 # of course 11.24.41 # just saying.. 11.24.44 # webguest45, the stuff that is being done to the h300 port, has already been done to the h100 (i.e. the hardware stuff). When that is done, I believe the h300 is up to par with the h100 fairly quickly. 11.25.03 # i think getting just the mp3's playing is the main thing linus is working on 11.25.27 # But there is also new hardware on the h300 that Rockbox doesn't take advantage of yet - the colour LCD and USBOTG. 11.25.35 # well linus has music playing, but i guess he hasn't commited it yet because it still has some bugs 11.25.44 # yeh 11.25.49 # like the buttons going wild 11.26.42 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 11.26.42 # * Jungti1234 ´ÔÀÌ ºÎÀçÁß¿¡¼­ µ¹¾Æ¿À¼Ì½À´Ï´Ù.(1Dinner) 11.26.49 # so basically it will be done, when its done 11.26.54 # Returned. 11.27.13 # are teh CPUs in the H100 and H300 the same? if so does that mean the H300 has some kind of colour video driver acclearator thingymabob that the H100 doesnt have? (excuse my ignorance) as if both players were equally capable then would it be possible to put a colour LCD in an H100 player? 11.27.32 # hey markun 11.27.35 # hi 11.27.46 # Give 'Gulim' to me. 11.27.55 # the .fnt? 11.27.56 # more than likely the h100 cannot handle a LCD screen 11.28.09 # webguest45, same cpu 11.28.13 # yes 11.28.17 # Acksaw: mine has a LCD :) 11.28.26 # mine too :) 11.28.28 # pic? 11.28.32 # i meant the colour one 11.28.43 # I guessed that :) 11.28.48 # lol 11.29.15 # because that would be one hell of a mod 11.30.10 # webguest45, but probably not worth it. The h300 is what you would want if you were up for a mod like that. 11.30.27 # As that is basically a h100 with a colour lcd. 11.30.40 # Yes, it would probably be easier to add digital I/O to the h300 than change the LCD in a h100. 11.30.44 # I know that the LCDs are easy to replace, no soldering needed. I suppose it would depend on whether the H100s were limited by the LCD hardware alone or the lack of something on the mainboard 11.31.36 # Jungti1234: I'm sending the file over IRC, can't you receive it? 11.31.45 # yes 11.32.00 # I was going to receive it, don't come. 11.32.21 # I want an H340 crammed into an H120 body with optical! 11.32.26 # :( 11.33.08 # webguest45, I am not sure if the x5 has optical i/o. If so, then that would probably be something like that 11.33.36 # Jungti1234: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/gulim.fnt 11.33.48 # thanks markun 11.33.54 # but it will be of no use to you without the unicode patch (which doesn't work for H3xx) 11.33.59 # whats that font look likle? 11.34.07 # ok 11.34.13 # markun, he has a h100 now 11.34.17 # ah :) 11.34.27 # Acksaw: like this http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/gulim.jpg 11.34.31 # hehe 11.34.38 # I like it. 11.34.53 # Did Kong deliver it to your house? 11.34.57 # It's Hangul basis font. 11.35.22 # yes, but sent by home delivery. 11.35.30 # ahh 11.35.35 # And what about the HDD? Wasn't it broken? 11.35.55 # It's normal!! ;D 11.35.55 # woob 11.35.58 # the X5 is great as a player, and if / when the rockbox port is mature I would definatly get one to replace my H140 11.35.59 # bomberman rawks 11.36.18 # webguest 11.36.26 # do you have an english bomberman then? 11.36.45 # It's snowing for the first time.. 11.36.55 # oh 11.37.00 # sorry guys last question! if an H100 wont run on, just charge (ie, the mainboard is fried!) then what is the lielyhood of the HD being salvagable 11.37.09 # turn on* 11.37.21 # webguest45: did you use the wrong charger? 11.37.32 # no im bidding for such a unit on ebay 11.37.33 # webguest45: if you are curious, you can check out the current status of the h300-port at this page. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort 11.37.49 # I'm fine snow, but cold thing hates. :) 11.38.25 # * preglow freezes 11.38.36 # and you can see that there are still some gaps there. 11.38.45 # i just though there may some kind of protection circuit for the toshiba HDS? 11.39.03 # webguest45: sorry, really don't know 11.43.11 # markun 11.43.18 # yes? 11.43.40 # Inform method to use unicode rockbox. 11.44.07 # Jungti1234: I will give you my rockbox unicode build 11.44.28 # When ? 11.44.53 # http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode.zip 11.45.05 # ^^ 11.45.10 # what does the skull do on bomberman? 11.45.17 # japanese and korean language file are included 11.45.42 # Is it latest version? 11.46.06 # It's 1 week old. 11.46.12 # hmm..? 11.46.18 # I can make the latest for you 11.46.44 # If isn't busy, do so. 11.54.04 Quit webguest45 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.57.57 # Must I wait more? 11.58.07 # Jungti1234: it will take a little longer. You can try the old one. It will work fine 11.58.22 # hehe 11.58.30 # I have much time. 11.58.42 # I don't go to the school tomorrow. 12.00.48 # no school for me today =] 12.00.49 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-136-95.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 12.00.58 # mornin' san 12.03.17 # Saturday tomorrow 12.03.31 # markun: Is there a reason why unicode doesn't work for H300 yet? 12.04.09 # I mean, the changes in the LCD driver aren't large, are they? 12.04.25 # amiconn: yes, because the text functions are copied to lcd-16bit.c 12.04.54 # No, not very large, but it would be nicer if we could keep them in 1 file. 12.04.58 # lcd-text.c or something 12.05.20 # * Acksaw np: The Jimi Hendrix Experience - Spanish Castle Magic [03:02m/192Kbps/44KHz] 12.05.44 Quit pabs (SendQ exceeded) 12.05.44 # markun: lcd-bitmap.c 12.05.55 # yes 12.06.07 # ...could contain all functions common to bitmap lcds 12.09.17 # amiconn: Maybe apps/player and apps/recorder could also be renamed to apps/charcell and apps/bitmap or something like that 12.09.33 # http://imgnews.naver.com/image/001/2005/11/25/kp1_2051125o1541.jpg 12.09.35 # I'd rather not do that 12.09.42 # why not? 12.09.52 # The problem is that all the files would use their cvs history 12.10.12 # would it be possible when/if we switch to svn? 12.10.20 # If cvs would allow easy renaming, then of course 12.10.35 # I have no idea, never used svn yet 12.11.05 # ... would *lose* their cvs history 12.11.32 # markun: My understanding is that svn does a delete/create operation when renaming files, but it copies the old history to the new file. So yes, svn should make it easier to rename things. 12.14.07 # Jungti1234: I updated unicode.zip. Tell me if you find any problems. 12.15.12 # linuxstb: do you know if people would lose their local changes to the moved files? 12.16.20 # I would hope not, but I've never used svn. 12.16.21 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.16.23 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-251.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.18.38 Join Febs [0] (n=cfac7a51@labb.contactor.se) 12.22.07 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 12.26.13 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 12.26.36 Join ^Guest37784 [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-45-166.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.28.31 Quit goa (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.28.45 Quit Zak1392 () 12.29.05 Quit Slasher (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 12.29.05 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.29.23 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 12.29.23 NJoin Slasher [0] (i=miipekk@ihme.org) 12.29.57 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.30.21 Join goa [0] (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 12.31.37 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 12.35.27 # markunj 12.35.53 # Does it include gulim? 12.39.01 Join mashalla [0] (n=kvirc@p5498E395.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.39.35 # no, you have to copy it yourself 12.39.59 # ok 12.40.16 # unifont also has hangul 12.43.47 # I can translate more naturally. :) 12.44.19 # now it's easyer to translate 12.44.35 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.44 # yes 12.45.01 # I begin work now. 12.47.33 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l05m-212-194-122-133.d4.club-internet.fr) 12.50.22 Quit mashalla (Remote closed the connection) 12.51.07 # markun, does the unicode build fit the 200k limit on whatever that target was? 12.52.39 # I can't try it here because I couldn't get the SH1 crosscompiler to compile 12.53.01 Quit Benacool (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.53.14 # I see. But it's quite tight, right? 12.53.25 # yes, I think it doesn't fit 12.53.58 Join hshah_ [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 12.54.08 # maybe we can disable some of unicode code on that player anyway 12.57.25 # markun: I'd rather not do that. I should probably have a try at implementing that selfextractor 12.58.02 # * amiconn still hopes code sizes will go down again 12.58.22 # ...with TiMiD adapting more and more stuff to multiscreen 12.58.42 # There are some features which take more space than they should, imho 12.59.10 # is 3.3.4 the recommended gcc for sh1? 12.59.12 # markun: Did you update the patch? 12.59.19 # tucoz: 3.3.6 12.59.22 # ok 12.59.24 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.04.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.07.12 # amiconn: not yet, I will do it now 13.09.21 # amiconn: I do not have a newlib in my gcc-3.3.6 directory. Should it be there? 13.10.50 Quit hshah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.13.06 # nevermind, I give up trying to build sh1-elf :) 13.13.37 # Newlib is a separate source package 13.13.45 # yes, I have found that 13.14.01 Join DimiBoy [0] (n=d4b3edc6@labb.contactor.se) 13.14.04 # For 3.3.6, the workaround *might* no longer be necessary 13.14.16 # well, I got build-errors (ubuntu) 13.14.16 # For me it worked without newlib on cygwin 13.15.21 # hi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness? 13.16.41 # DimiBoy, it is not really usable at the moment 13.16.41 # hi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness? 13.17.11 # DimiBoy: i don't recommend installing it yet 13.17.49 # hi i am new to rockbox and i have h320 eu withe korean firmware can someone help me to get int buisness? 13.18.09 Mode "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 13.18.17 # DimiBoy: stop that 13.18.52 # yes i know but i just want to know few things 13.19.03 # then ask 13.19.06 # you don't need to sound like a parrot 13.20.04 Quit DimiBoy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.20.19 # wow 13.20.46 # ahahah 13.21.27 # lol 13.21.28 # once in a while humankind really does spit forth an amusing character or two 13.21.40 # ill second that1 13.21.56 # hi LinusN :) 13.22.06 # hi 13.22.30 # please repeat things three times for convenience 13.22.40 # LinusN: There is already a small update for my 16bit LCD patch 13.22.49 # saw that 13.22.50 # any further revelations for the audio? 13.22.56 # Acksaw: no, been busy 13.23.12 # understandable 13.23.23 # LinusN: In fact I'm pretty sure it will speed things up, just not how much 13.23.33 # It should speed up the drawing part that is 13.23.55 # * Acksaw is drinking too much milkshake 13.24.16 # ...and it is working correctly, tested in the simulator 13.24.31 # building gcc-sh-elf with newlib takes a loooong time 13.24.38 # amiconn: care to set up a testbench plugin? 13.25.00 # For testing speed? 13.25.05 # yes 13.25.51 # i think my dog is ill 13.26.39 # LinusN: Hmm, should be possible, but not simple without an actual unit 13.27.15 # i know, perhaps i'd better do it 13.27.48 # what do you guys code rockbox in? 13.27.54 # a house? 13.28.03 # Measuring speed with a set loop count would require at least coarse knowledge of what speed to expect 13.28.14 # i mean what program 13.28.16 # amiconn: true 13.28.17 # or langugage 13.28.18 # help 13.28.22 # Acksaw: C and asm 13.28.59 # Otherwise the loop might run either for several minutes to hours, or very short with no usable result 13.29.06 # exactly 13.29.10 # Music is not said in H100. 13.29.52 # oops 13.30.03 # Of course one could do the opposite: run the loop for a set amount of time and count the iterations 13.30.21 # Music is said. :) 13.30.21 # c# or c++? 13.30.27 # Acksaw: C 13.30.39 # im learning some c# 13.31.09 # c# is quite far from Rockbox ;-) 13.31.31 # let's start porting mono to rockbox >:) 13.32.03 # Jungti1234: the translation doesn't make sence 13.32.07 # i just love this (from tonights log): "06.05.24 # he should hire some geniuses like bill gates" 13.32.23 # regarding my h300 work 13.32.45 # hahaha 13.32.46 # yes, but he was talking that you, just like bill gates, should hire people 13.33.04 # s/talking/saying 13.33.25 Quit Lost-ash ("Leaving") 13.33.26 # yes LinusN, why don't you just hire some geniuses? 13.33.31 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-251.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.33.38 # i should have thought of that 13.33.52 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-251.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.34.10 # why not just let some competent people work on rockbox instead? 13.34.26 # nooo, don't take it away from us! 13.38.39 # all open source projects advance fastest when in the hands of a looney bin 13.42.06 Join Philip_ [0] (n=d48701ba@labb.contactor.se) 13.42.08 # which target is it that has this 200k limit? 13.43.40 # recorder v1? 13.44.02 # Recorder v1 and player 13.44.32 Quit Philip_ (Client Quit) 13.44.33 # i think we might as well just prepare a compressed image loader now :/ 13.44.37 # Player is less critical because rockbox isn't that close to the limit as on recorder v1 13.45.02 # The other archoses have a 400K limit 13.45.34 # are we waiting with integrating unicode because of size issues, or just to not do too many big overhauls at once? 13.45.52 # I have in fact a tiny bootloader that inflates a gzip image 13.45.57 # not for sh, but anyway 13.46.33 # how much do UCL and gz differ in compression ratio? 13.46.35 # we already have a decompressor for sh1, no? 13.46.37 # ucl? 13.46.38 # I wouldn't introduce another compression scheme 13.46.43 # myep 13.46.57 # B4gder: perhaps a bit, in favour of gzip 13.47.00 # I want to reuse rockbox.ucl and just tackon the decompressor 13.47.09 # well, I thought it would depend how much extra room you get 13.47.13 # a lot of the point with ucl is the fast decompressor 13.47.36 # ucl has a fast and tiny decompressor, and the compression ratio is very good 13.48.28 # My local builds: ajbrec.ajz: 200022 bytes rockbox.ucl: 122715 bytes 13.48.57 # how's that for gzip? 13.49.06 # gzip is only very little smaller 13.49.06 # just for a quick comparison 13.49.18 # amiconn: would you be so kind to try out the updated unicode patch before I sumit it to the tracker? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode2.diff 13.49.20 # -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 122780 Nov 25 13:48 rockbox.gz 13.49.20 # -rw-r--r-- 1 daniel daniel 124226 Nov 25 13:48 rockbox.ucl 13.49.48 # (compressing my rocbox.bin) 13.50.03 # rockbox.bin.gz: 122151 bytes 13.50.10 # That's gzip -9 13.51.29 # Perhaps I'll have a shot at the decompressor. 13.51.55 # Imho we will need uclpack in cvs then, and some perl magic for the build system 13.52.07 # yeps 13.53.11 Join r1sk [0] (i=r1sk666@bzq-84-110-27-24.red.bezeqint.net) 13.53.25 # Like, running scramble from a script, and if it returns with firmware-too-big error, run make in another sub-dir (the decompressor), and then re-run scamble with the new .bin 13.53.30 # Bagder: you were talking about replacing some of the 'sed' code with perl code in the makefile for the sim once. It would help me a lot because FreeBSD's sed doesn't like the code at all 13.54.09 # rofl. did you people rely on GNU sedisms? :) 13.54.22 # * ashridah kept on running into that with the assignments he had to mark this year 13.54.47 # damned students wrote them on linux machines, and never bothered to test on solaris, even tho i TOLD them that the GNU toolchain has more features than solaris's 13.55.20 # it is not a GNU extension 13.55.43 # we use the /D command 13.55.49 # mention in TSUSV2 13.55.53 # mentioned 13.55.54 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 13.56.05 # aah 13.56.20 # interesting. would have expected freebsd to support SUSv2 13.56.23 # iirc 13.56.55 # ah, no 13.57.05 # it is a /c with newlines in the replacement string 13.57.21 # hm that's a new one on me 13.58.34 # amiconn: the unicode2.diff was almost 9MB because I updated and added some fonts :) 14.00.18 # markun: fixing the sed thing was not just a 5 min hack I thought it would be so I haven't worked that out yet 14.01.02 # anyides what [b1] means on a rom? 14.03.30 # Acksaw: ????? 14.04.07 # yes? 14.04.11 # Acksaw: it's a system for tagging the validity of roms used by goodsnes 14.04.18 # ahh 14.04.20 # thanks 14.04.20 # Acksaw: and the goodtools in general 14.04.30 # Acksaw: i suggest you download the manuals to those program to see what the tags means 14.04.35 # just wondering as i didnt know if they would play on RockBoy 14.04.54 # Acksaw: i thought you were talking about flash rom chips 14.05.01 # calling a file a rom sure is confusin 14.05.04 # "a rom" isn't very descriptive 14.05.05 # hehe 14.05.13 # i'm used to it 14.05.42 # i should of made my question clearer, sorry 14.05.56 # * preglow eyes the bakery across the street with hunger 14.06.14 # at last 14.06.19 # a english bomberman! 14.06.27 # and this one plays faster 14.06.45 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-128-247.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 14.07.02 # hey san 14.08.56 # bomberman 1 is longer games 14.13.21 # And before you ask: no San, no progress on the H3xx front :) 14.13.45 # wow.. 14.13.55 # good sounds.. 14.14.09 # Jungti1234: from the H120? 14.14.15 # yes 14.14.57 # It's emotion. :) 14.15.02 # :) 14.15.41 # markun, are you working? 14.15.50 # I should be studying.. 14.16.02 # ah.. 14.16.26 # Don't you go to the office on Friday? 14.17.43 # YAY my ISP just made a mistake and gave 4months of ADSL free!!!! 14.18.10 # (or so it seems) 14.18.36 # adsl? 14.18.52 # It's so slow. ^^; 14.18.56 # internet connection type 14.19.09 # grrr I hate you Jungti dont mess with my pain 14.19.58 # hahaha 14.20.08 # Don't hate me. :) 14.20.32 # I pay 120 euros for 3 months of crappy 384D/128U conncetion which shuts down whenever I use a VoiP app. (with lags more than 300ms) 14.20.43 # The South Korea uses most VDSL. 14.20.54 # Or 100mbps 14.21.13 # I hate you STOP that immediately!!!! 14.21.26 # hahaha okok 14.21.47 # I have internet inferiority syndrome! :p 14.21.50 # XavierGr: ADSL doesn't have to be *that* slow 14.21.50 # relax.. :) 14.21.57 # * amiconn uses 2048/384 14.22.14 # amiconn come to Greece and say that to the ISPs 14.22.15 # i hate the assymetry :/ 14.22.16 # haha 14.22.18 # sdsl for me 14.22.20 # XavierGr: i can sell you a cheap herbal patch to enlarge your dsl connection! 14.22.37 # Lynx_: I am looking forward to this. 14.23.15 # Korean ISPs show strange action. 14.23.22 # markun: Unicode patch breaks recorder v1. ~800 bytes too large binary :( 14.23.40 # Unbelievabe is the quality of the lines here. 14.24.11 # 384 means 320 and if you are lucky (I am not) you can use VoiP without problems 14.24.28 # They are going to change internet to meter-rate system. 14.24.51 # It's bad. :( 14.25.15 # Is action that degenerate. 14.25.42 # * amiconn can probably upgrade to 6144/576 at almost no additional cost 14.26.48 Quit Acksaw () 14.26.53 # Now I hate all of you! 14.26.56 Join dSt [0] (n=d407092e@labb.contactor.se) 14.27.03 # * XavierGr hides in a corner 14.27.27 # XavierGr: don't feel bad. i can't get any kind of decent high speed connection where i live currently. it's dialup or nothing 14.27.41 # * preglow has 8000/600 14.27.52 # at least your dial-up should be flat-rate, no? 14.28.00 # or something around that 14.28.11 # XavierGr: depends how much you pay, and who you're with. 14.28.18 # i'd gladly slash the download in half to get a few mbits of upstream 14.28.19 # * XavierGr shakes in rage " MAKE IT STOP " 14.28.28 # XavierGr: i _used_ to have 100mbit :PPP 14.29.04 # nothing quite like driving people to the brink of insanity 14.29.06 # * XavierGr attempts a "harakiri"!!!! 14.29.06 Quit dSt (Client Quit) 14.29.36 # we still pay dial-up here per hour! 14.29.52 # that's uncanny. 14.30.02 # that's hilarious.... 14.30.33 # is there a monopoly or something in the telco area over there? 14.31.19 # not that long since we had one 14.31.27 # hmm.. -_-; 14.31.33 # we have one here. 14.31.38 # one company owns 99% of the infrastructure 14.31.45 # ashridah: well, that's still true here 14.31.49 # fortunately, they keep getting beaten into submission by the consumer protection groups 14.31.55 # ashridah: but they've been forced to allow those who wants to use it 14.32.10 # ashridah: exactly the only company that has cables and telephony here is one single company (and some other minor ones that buy lines from the main company) so it is a damn monopoly. 14.32.15 # so they have no choice but to offer their DSL equipment wholesale for practically nothing, lets the competition undercut them bigtime 14.32.32 # ashridah: which isn't that far-fetched, since it was built with tax-payer money anyway 14.32.44 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.46 # * ashridah notes that it sounds like XavierGr's country needs a consumer protection group with teeth 14.32.54 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.59 # preglow: exactly 14.33.03 # same here 14.33.04 # indeed and amen t that 14.33.07 # Here the two companies 40% occupy. 14.33.21 # Each 40% 14.33.47 # where is EU when you need it to kick some asses. 14.34.05 # This company must be dismantlled and give their lines to people :p 14.34.34 # I pay 30 thousand wons at month. 14.34.44 # eu isn't in the business of kicking asses 14.34.45 # XavierGr: is the company government owned or privatly owned? 14.34.51 # it's in the business of being backward and unfriendly 14.34.58 # hahaha.. 14.35.27 # it WAS government owned. now it has a pretty large percent of it in stocks. 14.35.35 # stock exchange that is 14.36.18 Join ripnetuk [0] (n=george@82-70-100-230.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 14.36.24 Quit ripnetuk (Client Quit) 14.39.00 # I will no longer say about it. :) 14.39.17 # He hates. 14.39.24 # you better do that :) 14.39.35 # hehe.. 14.39.45 # we have a forum that discuss all these things 14.40.15 # and when someone posts some news of other countries and prices of conncetions he gets flames. 14.40.20 # ^flamed 14.41.29 # The Korea isn't cheap. 14.42.14 # okay dare to share your price? 14.42.24 # say price per mbit! 14.42.43 # it is around 100euros mbit / month 14.43.00 # (maximum is 2 mbit) 14.43.47 # 100mbps service of here is 30 thousand wons at month. 14.44.13 # 24.48euros 14.44.33 # It's about 25 Euros. 14.44.42 # LOL 14.45.04 # xaxa I can't dare to calculate the ratio. 14.45.20 # haha. 14.45.46 # OMFG what I am saying? 14.45.55 # You are the enemy I hate you 14.46.00 # hahah 14.46.08 # you shall rotten in ethernet cable 14.46.11 # oh... -_-; 14.46.21 # ;p 14.46.22 # relax.. 14.46.34 # That's true. 14.48.40 # well at least my ISP made a mistake and now I have 4 months of free crappy adsl, so there! 14.49.47 # I know your feel. 14.55.28 # hehe 14.55.45 # I have 100mbit for 19 euro / month 14.55.56 # 20gb/48h cap though 14.56.13 # akkkkkkk! 14.56.31 # It's only because I get to use the university line 14.56.40 # Where do you live? 14.56.43 # norway 14.56.54 # ah university line.. 14.56.56 # but the prices are "normally" MUCH higher 14.56.57 # yes 14.56.59 # ;) 14.57.06 # good.. 14.57.10 # heh 14.58.06 # i laught at your ridicilous cap! 14.58.58 # imagine what a warez nest the student villages used to be a couple of years back, when there was no cap 14.59.15 # I bet they still are 14.59.19 # cap or not 14.59.22 # the moholt gateway broke down on a regular basis, i remember 14.59.35 # B4gder: yeah, but it was _much_ worse 14.59.40 # true 15.00.10 # i used to share a flat with network assistant up there, and he closed down a number of people each week 15.00.45 # and the place in question isn't that big 15.02.19 # thegeek: they also did look at a number of other much worse solutions, you're lucky it ended up like it did, heh 15.02.53 # true;) 15.03.15 # I threw together a little perl, iptables and sql 15.03.21 # to monitor my bw usage 15.03.49 # i never had much of a problem with it during the later days 15.03.51 # suprisingly I found no ready-made solution for monitoring a "floating" limit 15.03.56 # hehe 15.03.59 # and anyway, my flatmate would just put me back in the net if i was closed out, heh 15.04.06 # all it takes is to forget turning of a torrent 15.04.12 # haha 15.04.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.04.25 # never happened, though 15.04.27 # i'm a nice boy 15.04.33 # bah 15.04.40 # It's not that I use all that bw 15.04.57 # it's just that it's very easy to go over the limit if you allow other people to download from oyu 15.04.58 # you 15.05.01 # yup 15.05.05 # i got slashdotted once 15.05.09 # haha;) 15.05.12 # had to yank out the cable 15.05.16 # mhm 15.05.36 # you should've just changed mac, to get a new ip 15.05.49 # didn't want a new ip, i ran a number of domains 15.06.07 # ;) 15.06.28 # had my take at being a sysadmin for some years 15.06.47 # funfun 15.06.48 # http://www.free60.org/wiki/Documentation 15.06.49 # hehe 15.06.54 # it was, actuallt 15.06.55 # y 15.06.56 # learnt heaps 15.07.07 # look at all the on-cpu security it has 15.07.32 # I laugh at all the 14-year-old fanboys that think it will be hacked right away 15.07.37 # ahaha 15.07.45 # onchip boot room 15.07.47 # rom, even 15.07.49 # indeed 15.07.50 # evil 15.08.43 # they've probably learnt their lesson now, yes 15.08.47 # but still, some mistake probably exists 15.09.11 # hopefully;) 15.09.45 # but yes, It could very well be a looong time before(if ever) it gets hacked 15.13.31 # does it still run some freak version of windows? 15.13.51 # I don't know meaning of 'Scroll Speed Setting Example' yet. Who will answer to me? 15.14.20 # Jungti1234: it's a bug, the text is too short 15.14.42 # hmm? 15.14.43 # if that's what you mean 15.14.50 # or are you translating? 15.14.58 # yes 15.15.16 # that text is shown when you adjust the scroll settings 15.15.22 # so you can see how it scrolls 15.15.32 # ah 15.15.35 # the text should be quite long 15.15.38 # ok 15.15.45 # I understood. 15.19.27 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-223-25.tpgi.com.au) 15.23.34 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 15.23.51 # should I add wps as a module to the cvs wiki? 15.26.40 # maybe it isn't necessary. 15.26.54 # ...after all. :) 15.30.28 Join Subterranean [0] (n=a@spc2-asht1-3-0-cust195.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 15.33.04 # how come there is a apps/wps/ipodVOL directory in cvs? 15.33.24 # that is the only directory under apps/wps/ and it is empty 15.36.28 # Who is H100 developer? 15.36.35 # There are ideas to me. 15.36.44 # Jungti1234: we are many 15.37.08 # Translation may be strange. 15.37.13 # After choose a song been playing now in directory list, a song is played from first again if press Jog button. 15.37.20 # I should like to edit it. 15.37.29 # tucoz: i don't have apps/wps in my cvs repository 15.37.46 # use cvs update -P to get it removed 15.38.02 # that's why -dP should be used 15.38.24 # Jungti1234: i don't understand 15.38.31 # hmm -_-; 15.38.40 # LinusN: check http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/wps/ 15.38.47 # In directory list 15.39.03 # tucoz: what's the problem with it? 15.39.16 # If choose a song that is played now and press jog button 15.39.20 # tucoz: The WPS files were initially place there, and then moved. That's why there is that directory in cvs. 15.39.38 # B4gder: nothing. :) I was just trying to figure out where to put the .cfg files for the themes 15.39.42 # No mp3 support yet right? if there will be, you know when? 15.39.44 # A been playing song begins from first again now. 15.39.54 # tucoz: you don't put .cfg files anywhere 15.39.56 # Drumrboy|away: see the channel topic 15.39.57 # they are generated 15.40.03 # Can you edit it? 15.40.11 # I see 15.40.15 # i know, im sorry. just really anxious... sorry 15.40.21 # tucoz: see the wps module, and the WPSLIST file 15.40.29 # B4gder: thanks 15.40.38 # Jungti1234: why do you want to change it? 15.41.45 # While see list as hearing a song, if put out list fast, press jog button. 15.42.00 # It is accustomed to original firmware. 15.42.17 # Jungti1234: get used to it, Rockbox is not the original firmware 15.42.17 # press Play to get back to the wps 15.42.39 # haha.. ok 15.43.10 # It's my way of thinking. 15.43.21 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 15.44.54 # Jungti1234, when you have used Rockbox for a while, I am sure that you will like it better that the original firmware 15.45.05 # *than 15.45.31 # :) 15.48.04 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-134-126.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.53.53 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd65f76@labb.contactor.se) 15.54.43 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.01.03 Join lamed [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 16.01.23 # * lamed 16.01.50 # * lamed 16.03.34 Quit Subterranean () 16.04.02 # * LinusN ignores lamed, as he uses to 16.05.54 Join Nixsos [0] (n=Nixsos@i62009.upc-i.chello.nl) 16.06.33 Join Cassandra [0] (n=christi@slappy.coraline.org) 16.06.37 # bah 16.07.00 Join San [0] (n=Test@212.2.167.185) 16.07.01 # * lamed kindelty 16.07.04 # What do people normally use for editing BDF fonts? 16.07.05 # damn 16.07.24 # there's some font editor described in the wiki 16.07.34 # * amiconn uses olde pfaedit 16.07.53 # (predecessor of fontforge) 16.08.00 # * lamed kindly asks linusN if he found the time to go through the code... 16.08.27 # I can't seem to work out how to change the widths of individual chars in a BDF font using fontforge. 16.08.37 # It really does have terrible documentation. 16.11.06 # that's why i've stopped using xemacs. so user-unfriendly. 16.11.34 # yes, plain emacs is much better! B-] 16.11.47 # emacs isn't meant to be friendly. Using it is supposed to make you into a man, or somthing. 16.11.57 # the steaming turd of the editor world 16.12.05 # (I stopped using xemacs because it took so bloody long to load.) 16.12.10 # sane people use vim 16.12.11 # :-) 16.12.19 # emacs has basically been on my screen every day for the last 13 years or so 16.12.25 # preglow, vim is really no better. 16.12.32 # Cassandra: loads faster, at least 16.12.44 # loads? who quits the editor? ;-) 16.12.48 # and it's possible to use it without having to be an expert 16.12.58 # start it only after reboots ;-) 16.13.13 # For those of you at home who've just joined us, welcome to 'editor wars', a frequent argument among programmers. 16.13.29 # * preglow gases up the flamethrower 16.13.44 # * B4gder puts on his absestos underwear 16.14.15 # I've never found a UNIX editor I like. 16.16.16 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.16.16 Join lames [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 16.16.20 Nick lames is now known as lamed (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 16.16.26 # 1 16.17.09 # Come to think of it, I still pine for the IBM internal 'e' editor. (And 'epm', the OS/2 version.) Best compromise between power and usability I've ever come across. 16.17.20 # I tried Gnus a few day ago 16.17.33 # but it took 30 minutes to load a single IMAP mailbox 16.17.38 # http://www.contactor.se/~dast/frexxed/ 16.17.39 # frexxed still rules ;-) 16.17.40 # ;-) 16.17.46 # hahaha 16.19.54 # This Daniel Sternberg guy sounds like a real loser though. 16.20.09 # sternberg, haha 16.21.03 # You know, sometimes I think I must be borderline dislexic. 16.21.17 # Or dyslexic, even. 16.21.22 # haha 16.21.22 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 16.21.36 # not me, I mean I'm not at all using a nick that is alsost a word 16.21.44 # almost 16.22.41 # And you know exactly how much that confuses me. ;) 16.23.03 # Cute daughter though. 16.23.09 # :-) 16.25.15 # B4gder, you calculated the lines of code for rockbox, and what the price of that would be in a commercial context. How did you do that? 16.25.24 # there's a tool for it 16.26.18 # and sloccount is its name 16.26.32 # thanks 16.27.08 # Total Physical Source Lines of Code (SLOC) = 219,928 16.27.14 # Total Estimated Cost to Develop = $ 7,781,014 16.27.35 # hehe, a tidy sum I must say 16.27.36 # SLOC? 16.27.43 # is that some kind of formal unit, or what? 16.27.43 # Source Lines Of Code 16.27.45 # source lines of code I think 16.27.47 # probably 16.27.59 # like skipping braces alone on aline, or something :) 16.28.32 # well, how to count is always debated 16.28.43 # but using a single tool is a good way 16.29.11 # yay, metrics 16.29.59 # It's going to be an underestimate anyway. 16.30.09 # Since many lines of code have been changed/removed. 16.32.03 # and i'f you'll install couple of patches you might get like a hundred bucks for it 16.36.40 Join eli_sherer [0] (n=eli@IGLD-84-228-59-253.inter.net.il) 16.36.58 # Hello everyone, I just made my first "rock" plugin... 16.37.06 # congratulations 16.37.15 # Congrats. What does it do? 16.37.16 # does it rock? ;-) 16.37.24 # it does... 16.37.33 # it's RockPaint if you heard of it... 16.37.45 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32092 16.37.48 # only for H300.. sorry 16.38.07 # because it's color 16.38.09 # * B4gder needs a color LCD target 16.38.31 # linusn: here? 16.38.41 # i made myself a mission to make as many color plugins i can for the h300! 16.38.52 # You and me both, Bagder. 16.38.57 # eli_sherer: that's the spirit! 16.39.43 # h300 owners are getting bored by the current plugins because their all b/w except "cube" lol 16.39.56 # lamed: yes 16.40.21 # eli_sherer: well, you can of course colorise them 16.40.22 # See this is the problem - owners of colour MP3 players obviously have a short attention span. 16.40.35 # Cassandra: :-) 16.40.52 # Personally I use Rockbox for playing music. Weird, I know, but there you have it. 16.41.13 # you freak ;-) 16.41.15 # Cassandra: you're getting old, that's it 16.41.18 # :-) 16.41.37 # to play music we have the original OS 16.41.42 # lol 16.41.57 # LinusN, I've known that for years. ;) 16.42.09 # many, many years... 16.42.29 # Pah - I think you're about the same age as me. 16.42.41 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 16.43.09 # roughly 16.43.24 # LinusN: there are rumors you mangaed to hear something on the H300 with RB... 16.43.31 # yes 16.43.53 # is it released yet? 16.44.04 # * Cassandra wonders if "Why isn't fontforge written in C++ really is a *Frequenty* asked question. 16.44.06 # linusn: remember saying something about new menu system? was it just a thought to the future or something that happening? 16.44.40 # lamed: refresh my memory 16.45.20 Nick ^Guest37784 is now known as ^BeN^ (i=Paprica@85-250-45-166.bb.netvision.net.il) 16.47.18 # B4gder: buy a Gigabeat if you need colors, then I'm not lonely.. 16.47.37 # not a bad idea 16.47.44 # so many new fun targets to consider 16.47.46 # * Cassandra will take any colour MP3 player anyone gives her. 16.47.49 # nothing beats H300s 16.48.02 # Gigabeat + rockbox will beat it 16.48.14 # gigabeat does have much more impressive specs 16.48.16 # whats a Gigabeat 16.48.33 # Although it doesn't have radio or digital out or lcd remote.. 16.48.43 # this might be a stupid question, but does the gigabeat have a fpu? 16.48.54 # no, it doesn't 16.49.07 # most h3x0 users have no lcd remote either 16.49.16 # eli_sherer: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GigabeatInfo 16.49.37 # but for the gigabeat it's not even possible I think. 16.50.19 # time to run! 16.50.29 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 16.50.32 # moo 16.52.02 # Annoyingly most modern stereos don't seem to have digital in. 16.52.14 # Hello everyone, I just made my first "rock" plugin... 16.52.15 # This includes my rather nice one. :( 16.52.27 # the remote i got with my H320 is enough for my "remote control" needs 16.52.32 # eli_sherer: do you mean i'ts already functional ? 16.52.43 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 16.53.08 # yes, its up for download on the first post on the link i gave (MisticRiver, H3x0 Rockbox,...) 16.53.55 # oh I didn't see that.. 16.54.03 # thx 16.54.12 # no load,save...function like that (if that what you ment) 16.55.13 Quit dwihno (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.55.17 # <^BeN^> eli_sherer private 16.55.18 # well I didn't really expect a finished product that quickly ;-) 16.55.36 # it'll be nice to get some feedback on the interface and how to improve it 16.55.46 # I'm going to try it now 16.56.05 # eli_sherer: How does the UI work at the moment? Do you emulate a mouse? 16.56.07 # good luck...it's really simple so it can't screw with your player...hehe 16.56.42 # a xor pixel moves with the arrow keys and the palette on the bottom has a cursor that moves with the REC and A-B 16.56.51 # NAVI paints 16.57.08 # PLAY clears screen 16.57.59 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.58.04 # my idea right now is to make two states that one is drawing and the other is menu select and PLAY will get you to that menu 16.58.24 # that way i could dump the left toolbar and save space for drawing :) 16.58.52 Join San [0] (n=Test@A-105-182.cust.iol.ie) 16.59.16 # linusn: external files for every menu item, clicking on it calls the apropriate function... that way users can easily edit their own menus... 16.59.51 # eli_sherer : very nice 17.00.01 # thanks... 17.00.17 # it's good having a full screen plugin in color :) 17.00.46 # lamed: quite cumbersome imho 17.01.20 Join Amar [0] (n=502c60b6@labb.contactor.se) 17.01.22 # lamed: and it makes it hard to translate 17.01.29 # lamed: and to voice 17.01.37 Join sike [0] (n=d5dba9a0@labb.contactor.se) 17.02.45 # i'm almost positive it was _your_ idea... maybe i'm wrong. it does seems like a good way to have the avrage user just renaming files though. arranging by numbers at the start of filename. nm. 17.02.52 # What is 'Gain'? 17.02.55 # LinusN: hard to translate? the user himself has to deal with that by calling the menu file name what it's called in the current locale 17.03.07 # It marks by dB. 17.03.22 # preglow: yes but then what about changing languages? 17.03.33 # The way linuxstb made it? I think that works great, but maybe it is not the right way to do it. 17.03.54 # i think the current menu is perfect though it is important that it would be arranged or have GUI 17.04.03 # so it was linuxstb. i most memorize that. 17.04.15 # eli_sherer: "or have GUI"? 17.04.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.04.25 # changing languages becomes problematic 17.04.32 # with BMPs (eye candy) 17.04.51 # i mean like iriver's 17.04.51 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.04.53 Join lamed [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 17.04.56 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@60-240-223-25.tpgi.com.au) 17.05.03 # eli_sherer <-- It WORKS! 17.05.10 # damn html irc form 17.05.10 # the rockpaint works 17.05.12 # thanks man 17.05.14 # i'd much rather concentrate on the ear candy 17.05.14 # it is cool 17.05.20 # San: wheeee... 17.05.24 # lol 17.05.35 # it'll be more cool the next version 17.05.37 # but, are you going to make the option for bigger brushes? 17.05.56 # i am in the army so i dont get to work on it as much as i want to 17.06.04 # aah 17.06.10 # could you send me the source code though? 17.06.10 # yes i thought of that and even make the cursor larger... 17.06.27 # "could you send me the source code though?" -nope 17.06.31 # ok 17.06.32 # np 17.07.03 # * LinusN mumbles....gpl..... 17.07.35 # * preglow joins in on the mumbling 17.07.36 # eli_sherer: when your plugin it will be commit, he will ;) 17.07.54 # LinusN: [17:05:33] damn html irc form <== Any chance of seeing CGI::IRC updated on the server? 17.08.10 # well your right i just think it's too soon 17.08.32 # sure 17.08.36 # <^BeN^> eli_sherer in which programming language you write the plugin? 17.08.48 # C of course 17.08.54 # <^BeN^> ahh ok 17.09.08 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.09.28 # Oh, and LinusN, sorry that I am pestering again, but there are still no windows installer builds... 17.09.41 # linusn: if a user dosen't know the meaning of a menu item, (replaygain/crossfade/caption backlight) - he has to check the manual. not so userfriendly. I agree that gui menu with sometimes large icons might be a good way... and it has to let the user rearrange the menus. (seems rather wierd FM menu / playlist / recording is on Buttom). furthermore, i was thinking of a "quick help" plugin/widget, that with a certin button introduce the explanation from t 17.11.04 Join webguest43 [0] (n=51429e4f@labb.contactor.se) 17.11.18 # <^BeN^> linus, its more safe now to install the rockbox on my h3xx? 17.11.36 # i mean, there should be some code that puts the wikimanual in the build, and clicking that button will show you the corrosponding place in the manual. 17.11.48 # your thoughts?\ 17.11.49 # Is today Thanksgiving Day? 17.12.07 # wasn't that yesturday? 17.12.24 # lamed: well, there's a reason the manual is there at all 17.12.35 # ^BeN^, it is the same bootloader, so I think not 17.12.47 # <^BeN^> ok 17.13.01 # Hello 17.13.36 # preglow: don't you suppose people would appericate if you shouldn't go all through the manual to find something specific? let's say a long MODE click on an item will show it's description. 17.13.54 # I've got one wps question please, phaedrus961 helped me few weeks ago, but I deleted the file :( 17.14.39 # lamed: sure, it'd be neat, but i don't think it's very high priority, the manual is there, after all 17.14.49 # if i don't understand something about a thing, i read the manual 17.15.31 # _You_ know _everything_ about the system... 17.15.56 # how can I replace: %s%?it<%?in<%in.l>%itl%fn> by the same line without the track num info? please 17.16.15 # l for vertical bar 17.17.10 # preglow: i wasn't speaking about rockbox, i was speaking about things in general 17.17.15 # yes, talking to myself 17.17.16 # lamed, that is 17.17.34 # lamed: i am, believe or not, not fully proficient in every type of gadget out there and do need to read manuals sometimes 17.17.55 # i don't think that's user-unfriendly 17.17.58 # phaedrus961: you around? 17.18.25 # anyways, linusn, preglow, i'm still waiting for your replys about (hate to say that again) my screen scroll patch. I'll have plenty of time tommrow to make adjustments if you'll say something, I just won't have an internet access so i'm asking today. 17.18.44 Join webguest68 [0] (n=52b6245e@labb.contactor.se) 17.19.00 # ninja 17.19.04 # can someone can help me with my WPS problem please ? 17.19.15 Part webguest68 17.19.44 # preglow: I still think that mere clicking the mode button over "replaygain" menu item, is very simple and probably help you to clear out most fuss. 17.20.14 # lamed: problem is there's a whole infrastructure problem there that needs a lot of work 17.20.35 # the manual needs to exist in a form usable for this, unless you propose we need to update both the manual and the help strings in rockbox at the same time 17.20.53 # we also need to use a lot space, and space we do not have lots of on archos platforms 17.21.26 # feel free to work on it if you want, like i said, i think it sounds neat, but i for one don't mind looking in a manual 17.22.03 # i have updated cgiirc to 0.5.7 17.22.37 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 17.22.37 Quit webguest43 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.22.37 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.22.41 Join lamedd [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 17.22.44 # ++++++++ 17.22.48 # :) 17.22.50 # weeeee 17.22.51 # It works. 17.22.56 # can i type + 17.22.57 # yey 17.22.59 # hehehe 17.23.04 Part linuxstb_ 17.23.24 Join webguest43 [0] (n=51429e4f@labb.contactor.se) 17.23.29 # way the go.. and i don't get the 1/4 of type line error anymore. 17.23.35 Nick lamedd is now known as lamed (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 17.24.03 # anyone help me please? 17.24.11 # +can 17.25.07 # anyways, preglow, i was making that screen scroll and star plugin fix just because people like yourself told me "if you want, you can do it yourself"... now I have to update manually every time unless it's ever to be in the source... 17.25.22 # Hey cut/past work now :) line problem: %s%?it<%?in<%in.|>%it|%fn> (want to remove track num info) 17.25.27 # lamed: i didn't say it would ever be in the source, did i 17.25.48 # preglow: of course not... 17.25.55 # then what are you complaining about? 17.25.58 # things take time 17.26.08 # fixing other peoples patches arount the most fun thing in the world 17.26.13 # and i'm looking at yours now 17.26.46 # problem is i know nothing about this part of rockbox, i can't read the source and say if it breaks anything, the only thing i can do is verify it works 17.27.32 # phaedrus961: when you'll read this, can you help me again please about how to remove the tracknum info from the WPS line code mentioned, I will read the logs, thanks in advance 17.27.34 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 17.27.38 Join lamed [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 17.27.42 # i've commited things that turned out to break other things before, and it's not something i want to repeat too often 17.27.49 Quit webguest43 (Client Quit) 17.29.09 # and btw, why do you use unsigned chars for strings? is that a rockboy policy or something? 17.29.16 # rockboX 17.29.39 # preglow: i'm sure it's hell ain't fun... as i said, i only try to understand how you work around (and i mean, the project as a whole) all those comments, patches, and wanted options. that's why i'm trying to discuss before changing something, so i'll know what might/wont be accepted. 17.29.42 # preglow: where? 17.29.57 Quit sike ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.30.17 # screen_access.h 17.30.33 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 17.30.37 # preglow: i can direct you to 17.30.38 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1360892 17.30.53 # seems rockbox does it other places as well, oh well 17.30.53 # where i've mentioned some problems that still exists. 17.30.57 # line? 17.31.01 # forget it 17.31.34 # i have to retrive the file... 17.31.38 # not using my computer 17.32.15 Join sike [0] (n=d5dba9a0@labb.contactor.se) 17.33.57 # is there need of a dutch language file? 17.34.17 # just finished v0.2 of RockPaint! 17.34.51 # sike: There is already one. I don't know how up to date it is though, or if it has an active maintainer. 17.34.55 # lamed: do offset_step and offset_out_if_view really need default values? i would have thought the settings system initalised then with the defaults anyway 17.35.14 # i think markun has dealth with the dutch file 17.35.19 # dealt, even 17.35.33 # preglow: unsigned chars where like that in the source. i've just made new functions there (the ones with the _offset of course)\ 17.35.42 Part Polo_o 17.35.53 # lamed: but yeah, line 224 and 225, is that necessary? 17.36.06 # i ask out of curiosity, i have no idea myself 17.37.10 # preglow: yes, you are right on that. I just looked at the integer of scroll step (that's not the name, i can't look at the code) being somewhere set to defult 6. 17.37.43 # lamed: because you set defaults for it in the settings system as well, yes? i would have thought these would be set anyway 17.38.51 # never used the dutch translation 17.39.17 Quit sike ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.40.01 # i've just did everything like it was in the normal scroll step value. yes, it doesn't have to be there, but that just the way it was. 17.40.09 # i'm retriving the code to find lines 224.. 17.43.34 # rockpaint v0.2 is now up for d/l!!!! 17.45.13 # preglow: what's in those lines? can't find out how to access line number with word. 17.46.18 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 17.46.54 # lamed: 'static int offset_step = 15' 17.47.24 # you also do a bit of pointless syntactic stuff, like removing one space here and there, move a bracket here and there 17.47.26 # eli_sherer: isn't the cross a little big ? 17.47.53 # preglow: yeah... i can clear up the patchfile from those. 17.48.54 # lamed: it's ok to prettify the source, i'd just like that to be in a separate patch 17.49.37 # you mean, i should upload one file "prettified" and the other stright out..? 17.50.07 # lamed: do you use ms word to edit text files? 17.50.17 # NicoFR: that's why i need feedback to know if something im doing is worth chaning.. 17.50.27 Join Philip [0] (n=Philip_0@user-7910.lns6-c8.dsl.pol.co.uk) 17.51.59 # yey! an editor! markum: hell no. most of the time bloodshed dev cpp but i don't like it - no split window editing / gui gdb an exe. so i'm looking for something better for a long time. 17.53.04 # preglow: no line 224 at screen_access.h/c 17.53.18 Quit r1sk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.53.33 # you mean in list.c 17.53.39 # ah 17.54.40 # eli_sherer:welle, it's nice having a cross, definitly better than a point... it's just a little big 17.55.00 # eli_sherer: Why are you not publishing the source? 17.55.09 Join lamed_ [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 17.55.09 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.55.15 # preglow: line 265: void gui_list_screen_scroll_step 17.55.54 # i had to 'copy' the value from the global_settings. otherwise i had to put it in the RAM area of the global settings. 17.56.17 # lamed_: i meant in the patch 17.56.35 # but anywho, i've gotta make dinner 17.56.38 # i've checked it with couple of other functions. things like the scrollbar/statusbar are set in the ram.... | what do you mean in the patch 17.57.08 # do pictures work on the H300 yet? There is a post on MR asking what size the images need to be. 17.57.28 # i don't think so... 17.57.30 Join webguest15 [0] (n=40e9ad59@labb.contactor.se) 17.57.36 # kk 17.57.48 # http://img464.imageshack.us/img464/3575/cimg41226ui.jpg 17.57.52 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 17.57.54 # rockpaint works anyway 17.57.59 Join webguest15 [0] (n=40e9ad59@labb.contactor.se) 17.58.21 # linuxstb: because i dont have an organised way of uploading it every time i change a little thing 17.59.32 # where did you get that, misticriver?? 17.59.33 Quit NicoFR () 18.00.17 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 18.00.20 Join webguest15 [0] (n=40e9ad59@labb.contactor.se) 18.00.31 # eli_sherer: Just include it in the zip file with the .rock 18.01.20 # anyhow, preglow, the stuff i've made about that part was just made after other functions that i've found. lcd-h100.c:85: static int scroll_step = 6; and line 1127: void lcd_scroll_step(int step), helps clearify why i did that. 18.01.30 # later all 18.02.01 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 18.02.02 Join webguest15 [0] (n=40e9ad59@labb.contactor.se) 18.02.18 Quit webguest15 (Client Quit) 18.06.15 # well v0.3 is out with more changed (smaller cursor and cursor now moves repeatedly) 18.06.46 # and i had literally just downloaded v0.2.... 18.08.23 # you're going fast at an 1.0 release here 18.10.57 # preglow: there isn't so much to do until v1.0 (except bmp files which will boost the by 0.5...) 18.11.45 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.12.56 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 18.19.33 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 18.22.40 Quit San () 18.23.33 Quit eli_sherer () 18.25.04 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0a5.b.pppool.de) 18.25.23 # preglow: There is nothing written about it, but the rockbox policy is (seems to be) that firmware code has its own internal settings which are read/written via access functions 18.25.38 # app code is allowed to access golbal_settings directly 18.29.03 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 18.31.24 Join toolmanwill [0] (n=46682a0b@labb.contactor.se) 18.33.15 # got something i just noticed in the iriver h300 series manual and was wondering if this could have any effect on rockbox/iriver fw startup. 18.33.30 # it says : Do not press two buttons on the product or remote controller simultaneously. The product may malfunction. 18.37.50 # also, i've posted about it on forum and misticriver, Can anyone fix the peakmeter when returning from the recording screen? It stops working and you must reboot to get it working again. just loaded 11/25 build and its still doing the same. 18.40.51 # thats for the H100 builds 18.44.13 Quit webguest38 ("CGI:IRC") 18.54.22 # lol @ the thing in the manual 19.03.11 # amiconn: can you check this? http://www.rockbox.org/daily/install/Rockbox-20051124-install.exe 19.04.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.13 Join frederic [0] (n=chatzill@i577BB7F9.versanet.de) 19.09.18 Quit Wett (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.09.56 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.22.48 Join Sando [0] (n=lolsteam@techgaming.net) 19.23.37 Join webguest43 [0] (n=c762142c@labb.contactor.se) 19.25.07 # can someone help me out with the unicode patch? 19.25.08 Quit frederic ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 19.25.23 # i'm using takka's 11/22 patch and it doesnt work on the latest cvs 19.28.13 Join Yokalosh [0] (n=3efc0007@labb.contactor.se) 19.28.39 # dudes, i know you probably get this question a lot but will Rockbox ever be made for the iRiver PMP-120??? 19.28.57 # i used to have an archos jbr 10 with rockbox on it... that is, until it blew up 19.30.46 # LinusN: The installer seems to work okay. 19.31.25 Quit Yokalosh (Client Quit) 19.31.25 # It even handles /.rockbox/wps although that didn't exist when the installer was last modified 19.31.46 # s/installer/installer build script/ 19.32.07 # Perhaps we should add iriver support to it... 19.35.06 # PMP? 19.35.07 # oh 19.35.09 # personal media player? 19.35.18 # yes 19.35.25 # (: 19.36.24 # It's portable multimedia player. 19.37.07 # What is 'BiDi Hebrew/Arabic'? 19.37.29 Join larsie [0] (n=Lars@niwg-n-3f07.adsl.wanadoo.nl) 19.37.38 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47C6A.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.38.43 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 19.39.59 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@69.80-202-102.nextgentel.com) 19.40.17 Part larsie 19.40.57 # Jungti1234, BiDi means Bi-Directional. Hebrew and Arabic is written from right to left 19.40.59 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.43.27 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc81.b.pppool.de) 19.44.01 # that bidi seems to have some conflicts with the unicode patch... 19.44.41 # webguest43, markun made a patch today against the current cvs 19.45.21 # webguest43: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode2.diff 19.45.50 # ah 19.45.52 # thank you 19.46.02 # hope it works 19.46.14 # i'll try right now 19.46.16 # it doesn't work on H3xx btw.. 19.46.24 # i have h120 :) 19.46.27 # good 19.47.25 # btw, do you know how to convert back the rb files to bmps? 19.48.05 # webguest43, I think you have to make a screendump for that. But.. I am not sure 19.48.21 # do you mean the splash btw? 19.48.25 # yes 19.48.28 # Hmm. 19.48.31 # someone made a thread about that 19.48.39 # so i posted mine but 19.48.43 # * amiconn noticed that screendump doesn't dump the remote lcd... 19.48.44 # i lost the original bmps 19.48.54 # right, i noticed that too :) 19.49.08 # well, actually my splashes are for the main one 19.49.47 # i used to replace the originals with mine but got tired of doing it since new sources come out everyday :p 19.50.03 # thought about making a patch but dont know how :( 19.50.16 # That is quite easy 19.50.54 # making a patch that replaces the splashes? 19.50.56 # <_FireFly_> webguest43: if you use cvs your changes didn't get deleted unless the particular sources didn't get modified on the place which you has modified 19.51.36 # <_FireFly_> webguest43: you can also simply make a patch when using cvs 19.51.50 # i've heard about this cvs update -dP or something but not clear on how to use it 19.52.00 # and how would i make the patch? 19.52.35 # do you use cvs? 19.52.36 # <_FireFly_> with cvs simply cvs diff -u >.patch 19.53.03 # yes i use cvs 19.53.19 # no i mean, what do i write on the patch file? 19.53.30 # all i have is the rb version of my splashes 19.53.51 # <_FireFly_> what do you mean with write on the patch file ?? 19.56.14 # <_FireFly_> webguest43: checkout the latest version from cvs -> replace the logo with yours -> run following command in the root of the sources: cvs diff -u > my-logo.patch (my-logo is only an example filename) 19.56.30 # ah 19.56.52 # so if i do that, i get a patch file with everything i've patched so far? 19.56.58 # <_FireFly_> yepp 19.57.55 # nice, i'm gonna try that right now :) 20.00.19 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0a8.b.pppool.de) 20.00.37 # hi 20.03.06 # hi 20.04.41 # _FireFly_: is it supposed to take a long time? 20.06.29 Quit muesli- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.07.10 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.11.37 # hmm.. 20.12.07 # The South Korea is 4:11 now. 20.12.35 # I stayed up all night. 20.13.06 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=54bd4be5@labb.contactor.se) 20.13.07 # :) 20.13.37 # Wee, +++---+++ and such a long input box :-) 20.14.12 Part amiconn_ 20.16.39 # <_FireFly_> what was that ?? 20.16.47 # I completed Korean translation. 20.16.56 Part Philip 20.17.00 # ??? 20.21.14 # Jungti1234: cool (: 20.21.23 # hehe 20.21.27 # thanks 20.22.03 # i stayed up all night as well - it's 6:21 here right now D: 20.22.35 # _FireFly_: Just testing the updated web client. 20.22.36 # wow.. 20.22.50 # <_FireFly_> amiconn ahja ;= 20.22.53 # <_FireFly_> ;) 20.24.12 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3106.gwdg.de) 20.26.26 # ahja? 20.26.37 # Is it Korean? :) 20.26.42 # <_FireFly_> no 20.26.46 # hahaha 20.26.52 # <_FireFly_> german 20.26.58 # ah... 20.27.00 # good night 20.27.06 # bye 20.27.09 # <_FireFly_> good night Jungti1234 20.27.18 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye Bye~ http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 20.27.33 # is there a way to patch that quickmenu to .cfg patch? 20.35.48 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.36.18 Quit webguest43 ("CGI:IRC") 20.39.04 Join _DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 20.46.15 # <^BeN^> can i view pictures with rockbox firmware? 20.46.37 # Yes, jpegs at least 20.47.00 # <^BeN^> ok =] 20.47.01 # But, I do not think that it works on the h300 yet 20.47.09 # <^BeN^> ahh 20.47.10 # <^BeN^> ok 20.47.25 # <^BeN^> i have an h300 20.47.30 Join Wett [0] (n=wett@l05m-212-194-122-133.d4.club-internet.fr) 20.48.05 # I see. Well, then you'll have to wait for that :) 20.49.25 Join bobr [0] (n=3ef54246@labb.contactor.se) 20.51.37 # <^BeN^> =] 20.52.46 Quit bobr (Client Quit) 20.56.51 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.04.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.09.17 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 21.12.27 # the 1.28k link in the wiki needs fixing 21.15.02 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc9e.b.pppool.de) 21.20.18 # Acksaw, it is a wiki. You can change it if you want 21.21.32 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 21.21.47 # hahaha 21.22.29 # Jungti1234, I thought you went to bed 21.22.46 Join Raskolnikov [0] (n=rodja@host-84-222-95-246.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 21.22.52 # hi all 21.22.55 # afkafkafka 21.23.07 # Hi 21.23.28 # i have a question 21.23.30 # I ate instant noodle. 21.23.42 # Is full. 21.23.43 # does rockbox support gain also for ogg files? 21.24.16 # bye 21.24.20 # I don't know 21.24.21 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 21.24.41 # I think so, but not sure 21.25.19 # ok 21.25.42 # what is that called anyway? 21.25.52 # vorbis gain 21.25.57 # replaygain is for mp3's right? 21.28.46 # yes, i think so 21.29.05 # mp3gain for mp3, vorbisgain for ogg, both implement replaygain 21.29.05 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.29.31 # so it also works on rockbox? 21.32.57 Join tremac [0] (n=tremac@85.101.113.63) 21.33.39 # slm nas0131ls0131n0131z ark. 21.33.54 # <_FireFly_> tremac: english please 21.34.10 # helle frends 21.34.23 # hello frends 21.34.33 # Hello 21.34.45 # how are you 21.35.09 Part tremac 21.35.39 # _firefly_: that quick screen bug fix of yours working properly now? 21.35.55 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: yepp 21.37.12 # OK - I'll have another go with it in a minute. 21.37.18 # <_FireFly_> ok 21.38.18 # Got my remote back too. 21.38.26 # <_FireFly_> :) 21.40.04 # * Cassandra wonders why amiconn has submitted a patch. 21.42.24 # Linus asked him to do so. 21.43.04 # * Cassandra wonders why Linus asked him to. 21.43.37 # lol 21.43.38 # it's related to H300s LCD 21.43.53 # I think 21.44.03 # The odd thing is that amiconn has write access to CVS. 21.44.17 # Hence the confusion over the need for a patch submission. 21.44.32 # I know that, but they didn't want to commit it, just to test 21.44.57 # so Linus could go to the tracker and test the patch. Then amiconn update it e.t.c 21.45.03 # iirc! 21.45.35 # Ah, right. 21.46.47 # I was going to commit a new font, but I can't figure out how to make it proportial rather than monospaced. 21.47.27 # proportional, even. 21.55.07 Quit toolmanwill ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.57.26 # amiconn: i was just meaning there's no poing in initialising the variables with default values, since the settings system will initialise them anyway 22.00.23 Join AnInternetUser [0] (i=oups@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3d-b-34.buf.adelphia.net) 22.01.10 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.13 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-140-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.03.34 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.57 Quit Acksaw () 22.06.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.11.41 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 22.17.53 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 22.17.55 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-45-166.bb.netvision.net.il) 22.18.45 # _FireFly_, looking good on H1xx, just going to check for other platforms. 22.18.55 # <_FireFly_> k 22.19.49 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.21.10 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 22.23.00 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.23.04 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.23.53 # Right, now I have a kickass idea for context sensitive help. 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I think mandelbrot only uses 8 or so 23.00.31 Quit ehntoo ("Leaving") 23.00.38 # I think amiconn said that a while ago 23.02.21 # well, yeah, but she asked how many she could count on having, i think 23.02.40 # " What's the minimum number of greyscale 'colours' we have to work with?" 23.02.51 # *shrug* 23.02.54 # minimum was the key here I think? 23.04.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.05.57 # well 23.05.58 # minimum is 1 23.06.01 # if you really want to 23.06.04 # ok, mandelbrot uses 9 shades 23.07.18 # sorry preglow and Cassandra. I see now what you mean. 23.07.45 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.15.10 Join ehntoo [0] (n=Mitch@24-177-166-0.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 23.21.36 # Wow - I killed my gimp. Impressive. 23.23.57 # quote | you might catch some developer related whining in about half an hour| 23.24.00 # you called? 23.25.52 # amiconn: i was just meaning there's no poing in initialising the variables with default values, since the settings system will initialise them anyway | I agree. it can only mislead someone to think this really was the place to change default value. it mislead me, but it just was too boaring to even notice until reading up on global_settings. 23.26.30 # yeah, and it wastes some code 23.26.44 # tiny fragile, but sure. 23.27.09 # but btw 23.27.09 # could i offer any help with desciphering my code? 23.27.21 # it _might_ be done this way to supress gcc warnings 23.27.32 # of the type "variable xxx might be used uninitialised in this function" 23.27.47 # gcc can't tell that settings will always be parsed first 23.27.50 # nah, should it say that? 23.27.56 # yeah, i think it would 23.27.58 # feel free to try it 23.28.10 # can't.. don't have the dev pack here. 23.28.41 # my tree is a bit broken at the moment, so has to wait before i can try it 23.29.04 # (acctually i do have it, i've got cygwin installed on the player and the setup.bat hacked to always install the registry values - meaning i can work from it.) 23.30.12 # that's pretty clever 23.30.45 # grin 23.31.59 # regarding to " <_FireFly_> with cvs simply cvs diff -u >.patch " - I really _do_ think i should start that wiki dev tip page. took me a long time to get to the simplest command of " cvs update -dP &> cvsupdate " to see exactly what the hell just happend... 23.32.28 # * Bagder reads commit mails for that 23.32.35 # lamed_: Doesn't cygwin have a scrollbar ? 23.33.26 # linuxstb: it's like 3-4 lines more then the view. there's a way to define higher "max_line" integer, but i don't remember how. 23.34.44 # and anyways you steel need the cvs update in a seperate file, to go through all the C's and make sure of the M's in the right files... 23.34.59 # still 23.35.04 # I never do 23.35.06 Nick lamed_ is now known as lamed (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 23.35.36 # bagder - do you update through cvs? with some changes of your own installed? 23.35.57 # no, I've been living in a box 23.36.19 # how's that been working out for you? 23.36.20 # * Bagder <= Rockbox dev since day 1 23.36.21 # hahah 23.36.26 # i never do either 23.36.37 # my whole rockbox tree is so full of Ms i don't know what to do 23.36.44 # hehe 23.36.48 # it works fine, thanks 23.36.59 # why would I need to have control of them? 23.37.01 # Ms are ok... the Cs are the problem... 23.37.08 # you notice the Cs fast enough 23.37.14 # oh yes 23.37.22 # when you MAKE maybe. 23.37.26 # yes, exactly 23.37.37 # and then you get a line number too! 23.37.41 # but then I do have a little 'cvscheck' script that tells me the status of all (modified) files 23.37.42 # hehehehe 23.38.05 # perhaps I should share that 23.38.11 # share. 23.38.40 Part LinusN 23.38.55 # try this => http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/cvscheck 23.38.57 # cvs check | something something GREP | something ? 23.39.17 # yes, like that but slightly nicer 23.39.50 # bagder = daniel? - well, you learn something new everyday they say 23.39.58 # yeps, me Daniel 23.40.17 # that's why my real name field says so ;-) 23.40.39 # (i know absolultly nothing about scripts, perls(...), and how they work. 23.40.51 # * preglow hugs perl 23.40.54 # nicest language there is 23.41.25 # lamed: then you have some fine areas yet to learn 23.41.38 # Bagder: nice script, that 23.41.48 # I use it all the time, all over 23.41.48 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.42.08 Join lamed_ [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 23.42.35 # bagder: it was pretty weird going through your home family pictures i most say. 23.42.46 # haha 23.43.04 # well, for people who don't know me they most likely aren't very interesting 23.43.39 # it acctually was. "here's the man that saved my player from grey sad slow death". 23.43.45 # haha 23.43.51 # there are a bunch of rockbox familiars features 23.43.54 # at least three of them :P 23.43.58 # (player lcd is still pretty grey though) 23.44.00 # featured, even 23.44.29 # preglow: ? 23.44.34 Nick lamed_ is now known as lamed (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 23.45.45 # (there's a stupid key on the keyboard i'm corrently working on, that if i press on it, it 'goes back one page'... located in a very often used place... 23.46.31 # hehe 23.47.04 # preglow: There is no urgency, but can you do a quick test of this new version of lcd-ipod.c on your Nano at some point: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/lcd-ipod.c 23.47.04 # preglow: will you care to re-explain... it's not rare i can't understand's someone else's english... (yes i know i'm not that clear when i talk) 23.47.24 # preglow: It should work the same for you, but fixes the problems I've been having with my LCD. 23.47.27 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=user@24-231-249-25.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 23.47.39 # linuxstb: sure, i can do it now 23.47.49 # linuxstb: as long as i'm not patching the bootloader, windows seems to work ok 23.47.54 # bagder: what kde do u use? 23.48.02 # lamed: I think he meant that you can spot Björn and Linus on the pics too 23.48.11 # I don't use kde, I use gnome 23.48.20 Join webguest79 [0] (n=45dda986@labb.contactor.se) 23.48.43 # btw, am i the only one who thinks firefox in gnome is _exceedingly_ slow? 23.48.43 # who else got a question mark instead of bj - "?" - rn .... 23.48.44 # http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_761.html 23.48.59 # hahaha 23.49.00 # lamed: oh, Bjorn with two dots over the o 23.49.03 # ;-) 23.49.14 # yeah i know... 23.49.27 # that's because of the new cgiirc 23.49.45 # i'd love to have one of those shirts... 23.50.00 # a bunch of archoses and beer, does it get any better 23.50.07 # the answer turns out to be no! 23.50.13 # :-) 23.50.44 # there's even decent beer there 23.50.49 # denial, you'r the guy on the right. i can tell by the head shape. (!) 23.51.20 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.51.21 # yes, from left: Bjorn, Linus and me 23.51.36 # oooh, they've got spitfire 23.51.49 # its a nice pub 23.51.59 # preglow: when you come over, we'll go there ;-) 23.52.08 # i thought bjorn and linus are the same guy... whoop. 23.52.32 # heh 23.52.46 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.53.08 Quit DMJC-L (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.53.11 # what's bjorn's nickname? 23.53.15 # Zagor 23.53.30 # nils oscar kalasöl! 23.53.39 # he's less of a talker isn't he? 23.53.43 # * preglow laments the poor state of pubs in norway 23.53.58 # lamed: he's been sort of idling the last year or so 23.54.28 # but he's watching 23.54.41 # and he is the allmight Original Code Police 23.54.45 # h300 users around the world waiting nervously for his return... 23.54.59 # he hasn't even got one 23.55.29 # well, h300 users gain from developers without h300s too 23.55.37 # that they do 23.56.27 # sec 23.56.29 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 23.56.35 # http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/dest/pic_776.html <- qualifies as happy 23.57.31 # rockbox, good beer and friends, what else can you be? 23.57.55 Quit webguest79 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.58.23 # some chicks arent that bad either ^^ 23.58.36 Join lamed [0] (n=d4b3395e@labb.contactor.se) 23.58.42 # you can spot one there ;-)