--- Log for 26.11.105 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 19 hours ago 00.00.03 # no, rockbox is a gift from aliens 00.00.12 Join bobwise [0] (n=45dda986@labb.contactor.se) 00.00.16 # we're just poster boys 00.00.23 # pretty ones at that 00.00.43 # linuxstb: what's been done to it? 00.02.27 # Bagder, no, what I meant was the Rockbox isn't re-written archos fw from scratch . It is _written_ by you from scratch. 00.02.33 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 00.03.05 # tucoz: well, its a matter of definition and interpretation of terms I guess 00.03.09 # I can't think and express myself clear today. I think it's time to hit the sack. 00.03.30 # preglow: I fixed my copy and paste mistake and renamed some vars to make them more meaningful (to me at least). 00.04.02 # linuxstb_: well, i can't see any reason to not commit it 00.04.13 # question: don't you think that pixel buffering had went to the side of 'too low quality just for speed"? (h100). just take a high-res image to see what i mean. 00.05.02 # preglow: OK. Just wanted to check I didn't break the Nano. 00.05.47 # bagder: i've just now realized why i simply don't let the compiler run unto those "=====" "<<<<<<" marks. using p3 800, it takes about 15-30 secs until it crashes... 00.06.21 # lamed: use my script then after doing cvs update 00.06.41 # it shows what files that had conflicts 00.07.59 # ah, then that will take time to run... what will i get furher then going through the cvs update log? 00.08.29 # not having to manually scan the log 00.08.39 Quit bobwise ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.08.42 # but you do as you please 00.09.46 # linuxstb_: woot, the backlight turned off when the unit tries to switch off now 00.09.50 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 00.10.27 # preglow: I noticed that. Probably a side-effect of amiconn's recent backlight changes. 00.10.56 # but okies, i'll deal with this musepack nastiness, then return to ipod coding 00.13.11 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC-L@220-245-177-195-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 00.14.06 # bah finish the EQ first, you know you want to ;p 00.14.46 # EQ before what? 00.15.07 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 00.15.20 # ghode|afk: eq comes soon as well 00.15.35 # i'll probably commit a peaking filter only eq in not too long 00.15.43 # shelving filters need more work 00.16.27 # is someone corrently working on splitting the main/remote lcds view? 00.16.43 # splitting? 00.18.10 # more indepandent you mean? like possibility of multi fonts...? 00.19.25 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-228.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.19.33 Join WarrenLeyes [0] (n=God_of_t@S0106000000602c86.vf.shawcable.net) 00.19.38 # moos: you've wrote the list widget, correct? 00.19.46 # no 00.19.51 # that was timid 00.19.53 # is TiMiD 00.19.56 # ah. 00.19.56 # yes 00.20.18 # anyone w/ h340 notice alot of flicker on your lcd 00.20.44 # i was talking about splitting the view... being able to view the wps with the one lcd and the filetree with the other, etc. 00.21.33 # the man to ask is TiMiD, but aparently isn't around 00.22.09 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0a4.b.pppool.de) 00.22.32 # lamed: that requires substantial changes 00.24.58 # windows is a _lot_ faster in setting usb devices up for use 00.24.59 # annoying 00.25.03 # than linux, that is 00.25.15 # I thing the flickering on my screen is being caused by the counting down of time remaining ?? aprox. 2-3 flashes per second 00.25.18 # need to sleep, have a good night @ all 00.25.30 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 00.25.30 # anyone know for sure 00.26.36 # ok, this is weird, if i keep the decoder struct in iram, it crashes on track changes, if i don't, it doesn't crash 00.27.13 # preglow may i ask something`? 00.27.29 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-60-229-178-125.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 00.27.51 # of course. preglow, but it's very readily to be made now with list.c, (and almost everything else - the remote wps screen or whatever), you already have control on every screen. i was just wondering if that is something i can start working on, or there's no point because someone way superior then me is working on it. 00.28.08 # schnittn2005: sure 00.28.15 # ahm 00.28.27 # gj on the reduce ticking patch. how did i missed that? - solved my remote ticking problem. 00.28.31 # lamed: no, no ones is planning that at all. you also need two button drivers for everything, btw 00.28.43 # preglow , do you think that itll be possible to seek within mpc files one day? 00.28.53 # schnittn2005: yes, once the musepack people designs a new file format 00.28.58 # i see 00.29.16 # schnittn2005: there's very little we can do with the hardware resources we have 00.29.26 # so i wont be able to seek within my current mpc´s, thouigh 00.29.28 Join muesli__ [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbca4.b.pppool.de) 00.29.33 # schnittn2005: but keep nagging the musepack people to finish their sv8 format, i'd also like seeking support 00.29.37 # schnittn2005: that's correct 00.30.05 # okay... ill keep on encoding in vorbis, anayway 00.30.31 # yeah, i use vorbis myself 00.30.36 # but i'd really like to switch to musepack 00.30.38 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.44 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 00.30.45 # but no seeking is a bit of a showstopper for me 00.31.27 # preglow, i think its quite good (vorbis) and with q5 you can save space and its sounds great. what do you think? 00.31.44 # sorry, i messed this sentence up ;) 00.32.03 # What does the remote ticking patch do? As in, why is it an option, rather than always on? 00.32.39 # My remote got damaged, and my new one has the tick. :( 00.32.46 # im sorry bothering you, preglow..... 00.32.46 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1872.0 00.33.09 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 00.33.17 # paul_the_nerd, if you have it, use the option. if you don't - don 00.33.40 # Yeah, I'm using it now. 00.33.54 # 't. it might waste some cpu power=less battery / longer lcd update time. 00.34.15 # are you sure that it was the remote? 00.34.34 # Well, I didn't used to have the problem. I do now. The only change was a a new build of rockbox, and a new remote. 00.34.35 # schnittn2005: i use q5 myself, and it's quite enough for most tracks 00.35.02 # schnittn2005: i think the encode errors of musepack sound a lot better than those in vorbis, so i'd like to switch 00.35.23 # encode errors? 00.35.31 # well, yeah, artifacts 00.35.37 Join leftright [0] (n=414a01bd@labb.contactor.se) 00.35.47 # this is prob.. a stupid question but is it possable on the .wps to build it in layers ?? 00.35.49 # i see... well.... i never rellay realized some in vorbis 00.35.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: the remote ticking fix uses more cpu power, thats why it's not always on 00.36.05 # Thanks 00.36.06 # schnittn2005: i hear some occasionally 00.36.16 # ok 00.36.42 # but this bug is starting to annoy me 00.36.49 # why the hell should it matter if data is in iram or not 00.36.59 # preglow: why not wavpack, out of curiousity? 00.37.01 # there must be some conflict going on here 00.37.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: because it's lossless? 00.37.14 # its maybe just "normal". a matter of the bitrate 00.37.24 Quit DMJC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.37.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: wavpack is my lossless format of choice, but i don't use lossless very often 00.37.39 # It also has a lossly mode... 00.37.45 # lossy 00.38.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, but the lossy mode is really high bitrate, and gives lots of background noise 00.38.11 # Ah 00.38.15 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC-L@220-245-177-195-sa-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 00.38.33 # I haven't used it really. 00.38.39 # i've tried it, but not much more 00.38.42 # Gotcha 00.39.08 # I'm trying to figure out what the best format would be for me to convert my Audible audiobooks to. 00.39.24 # aren't audible books really just mp3? 00.39.27 # with encryption 00.39.31 # Yeah 00.39.39 # Well, the "Quality 4" ones are 00.39.42 # 1 and 2 are something else 00.39.47 Quit Kyl3 () 00.39.48 # I'm not sure about 3 off the top of my head 00.39.58 # ah, yeah, they're acelp, i think 00.40.02 # which is something completely different 00.40.03 # more like speex 00.40.03 # Yeah, that's it. 00.40.29 # Slasheri: you around ? 00.40.35 # So would the best choice be to transcode them back to MP3? 00.40.49 # Sadly, I haven't found a way to strip the encryption without transcoding. 00.40.58 # Paul_The_Nerd: that would be optimal 00.41.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: if you need to transcode, it doesn't matter, just use a format you like 00.41.11 # got another playback bug 00.41.16 # with dir cache, follow playlist, follow directories enabled, the player repeated the last song in a file 3 times then said it was loading next but froze, had to reset player to get it to react. 00.42.02 Join miah [0] (n=miah@chia-pet.org) 00.42.02 # hi 00.42.08 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@60-240-212-35.tpgi.com.au) 00.42.14 # amiconn: you around? 00.42.17 # gtg all. preglow: i'll have internet access only tommorw night/ the next day's noon.. so yo've got some time away from me... 00.42.18 # rockboy I dea !!! has anyone tried to port "Virtualboy" over ? 00.42.27 # preglow: They're 32kbps MP3s, CBR I think. I'm just worried about them sounding even worse. 00.42.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: they probably will 00.42.38 # lamed: have nice one 00.42.49 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.42.54 # u2! 00.43.03 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 00.43.20 # WarrenLeyes: a gameboy emulator is already available and is called Rockboy 00.43.40 # I'm sure they will, preglow. I was just trying to figure out the best plan for minimal pain to my ears. 00.43.54 # WarrenLeyes: Virtualboy is gameboy isnt it? 00.44.01 # Virtualboy is the VR headset 00.44.06 # I know ... but the prob w/ rockboy a) runs at half speed and lack of color support 00.44.08 # It did NOT do well 00.44.33 # It had some interesting ideas, but the red on black color scheme, and the refresh rate led to headaches. Very quickly. 00.44.51 Part leftright 00.44.52 Quit paugh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.56 # WarrenLeyes: it's not so much a specific emulator issue, if we ported virtualboy, that probably would run slow as well 00.45.03 # I was talking to a few ppl about virtualboy and think it may run better then rockboy 00.45.10 # WarrenLeyes: we just need someone to work on rockboy, and it'll work fine 00.45.29 # IC 00.46.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah it was a VR headset console which wasnt releaed by nintendo in the end, but its also a very popular Gameboy emulator 00.47.01 # ok, ok, so i use 48 992 bytes of iram, there are still some bytes left!! 00.47.05 # and open source 00.47.12 Quit muesli- (Connection timed out) 00.47.20 # It was released by nintendo, Membrillo 00.47.28 # You can still find them at second hand stores. 00.47.46 # was it released? oh ok. I thought they didnt. 00.47.49 # Yeah 00.48.05 # mind you I dont care if i can play games on it or not .... Long as I get ogg on it i will be happy.... soon i hope my h340 will have it 00.48.08 # WarrenLeyes: Why would we start porting a new emulator though, when rockboy is half completed 00.51.07 # hey i'm just throwing ideas out there ... c if we can get something solid going 00.51.24 # WarrenLeyes: Do you have a URL for virtualboy? 00.51.27 # WarrenLeyes: rockboy's limitations come from lack of effort, not from lack of capability. 00.51.49 # yea ... hold ...brb 00.51.54 # the biggest problem, admittedly, was the sucky commenting in the source tho 00.52.00 # so if virtualboy is better there, it might be worth considering 00.52.54 # Rockboy only uses about 32KB of IRAM at the moment. I'm sure the extra 16KB plugins now have would help. 00.53.07 # offtopic quick Q: Has pre-HDD-loading USB been implemented for h3xx yet? 00.54.04 # i mean, connecting to USB priot to loading up the Hard Drive 00.54.34 # Still v1 bootloader. 00.54.55 # yeah, but does v1 allow USB before loading the HDD? 00.54.57 Quit tim66 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.54.59 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-217-31.dsl.pipex.com) 00.55.05 # I don't think so, from what I've heard. 00.55.30 # dang it. Anyone know for sure? 00.56.59 # Well, it's not a good idea to install it right now, whether it does or doesn't. 00.58.31 # fair enough 00.59.17 # sorry my bad its called visualboy ...just searching my player files ...have the url for it in there 00.59.31 # That's a GBA emulator primarily 00.59.54 # yeah, visual boy. Thats right 00.59.58 # the best GB emulator is no$gmb 01.00.03 # its probably the most efficient too 01.00.13 # AnInternetUser: yeah, but that's written with lots of x86 assembler 01.00.15 # I dunno 01.00.17 # no$gmb is definitely terrific. Is it open source? 01.00.29 # prolly not 01.00.31 # i dont know anything about how this stuff works 01.00.36 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.00.38 # preglow: is that bad? 01.00.45 # but isnt there some way to convert it to assembly? 01.00.48 # Membrillo: for us, yes, means we need to rewrite much 01.00.58 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.01.04 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc8c.b.pppool.de) 01.01.20 # http://vba.ngemu.com/ 01.01.26 # btw 01.01.33 # vba isnt worth it 01.01.33 # i don't think nocash emus come with source 01.02.57 # then the only hope would be to ask that guy to help... and he won't 01.02.58 Join webguest36 [0] (n=d55efed5@labb.contactor.se) 01.03.08 # he's not going to give it away probably 01.04.10 Part linuxstb_ 01.04.11 Quit CBM-away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.41 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.05.23 # somewhere on the globalroms.com 01.06.01 Quit CBM-away (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.04 # the no$gmb source code? 01.06.34 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.10.30 # anyways back to why i first came in today ... can the wps be built in layers?? example placing the total track time and time remaining on a seperate layer? 01.11.01 # then the rest of the information on screen 01.11.26 # don't quite understand what you mean.... 01.11.40 # hold on ... 01.12.24 # warren was the no$gmb source somewhere or were you talking about something else 01.12.37 # WarrenLeyes: why'd you want that? 01.13.05 # i seriously doubt no$gmb's source exists in the wild, and if it did, i doubt it'd be legal for rockbox to incorporate it as a plugin 01.13.06 # preglow: think it is causing the major flickering on my lcd 01.13.27 # given that it's a commercial product that requires a license key to stop being nagware 01.13.43 # 2-3 times per second ... same line as the time remaining for the current mp3 playing 01.13.45 # no$gb is highly crippled shareware 01.13.58 # well no$gmb is old now 01.14.06 # so i don't know why he wouldnt be willing to release it 01.14.15 # ? 01.14.20 # because idiots still send him money occasionally? 01.14.31 # becuase he put time effort and money into it? 01.14.42 # i know someone who sent him money and got nothing back 01.14.43 # becuase he used code that wasnt his either 01.14.56 # well then he could be a dick 01.15.10 # so very unlikely to release source 01.15.44 # yeah i see... 01.15.48 # i have an emmu somewhere on my pc that i downloaded via torrent there was a doc with it about using it ... and it was open source ...i will need to search for it 2 night when i get home 01.15.48 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 01.16.08 # so is the goal to make some emulator to run at realtime most efficiently? 01.16.10 # the guy seems to be a bit of a dick 01.16.10 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.16 # gnuboy has been ported to rockbox BTW 01.16.25 # plays GBC and GB games 01.16.38 # but isnt that the thing thats real slow? 01.16.50 # AnInternetUser: because it's not finished. 01.16.55 # it needs optimised 01.16.57 # ok 01.17.08 # as would any code after porting to a fixed point math processor 01.17.10 # if i knew what you were doing i would want to help 01.17.17 # changing to another emulator isn't goign to solve the problem, we're STILL not going to have anyone interested in actually working on it 01.17.27 # mind you i dont think its possable to get an emu to run at a good speed on the players 01.17.37 # LOL 01.17.40 # yeah 01.18.00 # it has to be possible imo... gb's did it 01.18.02 # the rockbox guys will be lucky to get realtime out of it on the 140mhz coldfire cpu 01.18.09 # WarrenLeyes: rockboy's fairly close, it's just that some fairly major optimisations never got finished, and the guy's no longer interested in working on it, by the looks of it. 01.18.27 # so wheres this source? 01.18.33 # i think he might be interested after he finished the EQ hes coding now 01.18.35 # AnInternetUser: gameboys didn't have to EMULATE their own cpu 01.18.47 # but not running it through an emu.... they built there system for it not try to convert it 01.18.57 # does anyone mind giving a link to the source of rockboy? 01.19.11 # it's in cvs 01.19.13 # AnInternetUser: rockboy itself is in CVS. gnuboy, on which it is based is elsewhere 01.19.16 Quit Kohlriba ("Leaving") 01.19.28 # http://gnuboy.unix-fu.org/ or something 01.19.50 # ok... what i really don't get is how to make something compatible with rockbox 01.19.55 # if i seemed like i was talking as if this was some other channel who didnt know about rockbox its because i thought this was #ipodlinux and we were talking about that 01.19.57 # im tired 01.20.10 # and my monitor is at too high a res for this time of day :P 01.20.38 # LOL at AnInternetUser 01.20.56 # >:( 01.20.57 # by sacrificing virgins and stuff 01.21.01 # The ipodlinux people have got iBoy (their own port of gnuboy). 01.21.05 # voodoo etc 01.21.15 # * preglow tears hair out 01.21.25 # * Mark_ hands preglow a wig 01.21.33 # so ipod will get all this stuff too? 01.21.42 # AnInternetUser: basically, one needs to move from libC to rockboy's plugin interface, and reimplement all of the screen drawing 01.21.42 # so are we anycloser to audio today then yesterday? 01.21.48 # on what? 01.21.48 # for h300 01.21.53 # probably 01.22.00 # certainly more than 2 days ago 01.22.27 # AnInternetUser: user input handling too 01.22.41 # rockboy also added a context menu so it can save the game state 01.22.55 # going through the settings on my h300 and cannt wait to get some sound to test out some of the NEW OPTIONS 01.24.41 # AnInternetUser: all of this involves knowing a good deal about how the original software works, and what functionality rockbox provides to plugins, via an exposed set of API's (functions and data structures) 01.24.41 Quit RotAtoR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.24.43 # the game save state is ok ... didn't work 2 times for me today ... where I DID save but it didn't 01.25.05 # WarrenLeyes: it seems to require two triggers to save. i will say again that rockboy was never finished 01.25.19 # so how is this optimization supposed to double the speed 01.25.20 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=user@24-231-249-25.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) 01.25.32 # I do know the status of rockboy 01.26.06 # AnInternetUser: doubling the speed is probably unlikely. 01.26.17 # ashridah: i wouldn't say that 01.26.46 # so basically realtime speed is never going to happen 01.26.48 # but basically, the original porter was working on dynamic recompilation and some other features, where common bits of nintendo's gameboy library that most games used is replaced with optimised native code. 01.27.01 # AnInternetUser: i think it is, if someone decides to work on it 01.27.10 # AnInternetUser: given how close it is now, i doubt it NEEDS doubling to become realtime 01.27.20 # * ashridah remembers how slow it was when it first ran :) 01.27.28 # so someone is actually working on it? 01.27.29 # i think it might need doubling, and then some 01.27.36 # i dont think it needs 2 triggers.... hell ive been playing the damn thing on my h300 for the last few days at work and at home .... saving and loading w/ very few probs 01.27.37 # hehe 01.27.55 # there's sound to be generated as well 01.28.06 # currently it only runs at 11khz, not exactly excellent quality 01.28.15 # preglow ?? for ?? 01.28.21 # i missed something 01.28.30 # does the gameboy run at 22khz? 01.28.34 Quit ender` (No route to host) 01.28.36 # rockboy? 01.28.44 # no, like the gb emulators 01.28.48 # AnInternetUser: no, audio does. 01.28.56 # thats what i meant 01.29.06 # so the AUDIO runs at 22 khz 01.29.35 # The gameboy had a what, 8mhz processor? 01.29.41 Quit _DangerousDan (Connection timed out) 01.29.59 # what does iriver have 01.30.32 # 124 :-) 01.30.40 # * ashridah isn't sure what the audio output at 01.30.56 # this has to be possible then... 01.31.03 # probably i should just check back in a year 01.31.07 # well, first of all, you can't just look at the cpu speed 01.31.09 # and maybe it will be up to 50% 01.31.13 # h300 =140 MHz 01.31.14 # there's also a video processor that needs to be emulated 01.31.17 # and a sound processor 01.31.21 # WarrenLeyes: we can't run it at 140 01.31.24 # AnInternetUser, it's running at more than 50% already 01.31.36 # i nkow 01.31.39 # know 01.31.43 # At least... it was. 01.31.50 # I know that Bejeweled seems to have slowed recently. 01.32.02 # It may be possible that other plugins have too, or something, I dunno. 01.32.17 # so does anyone have any news about music? 01.33.02 # I bet there'll be an announcement on the front page when music happens, much like there was for the H1x0 series. Just a guess though. 01.33.27 # is mp3 still going to be the recommended format? 01.33.37 # i wish i knew .... i keep whaiting for a cvs report in mail email to pop up and yell "WE HAVE FULL AUDIO SUPPORT!!!!!" 01.33.38 # we've got a recommended format? 01.33.45 # well 01.33.46 # waiting 01.33.55 # aren't the other ones going to be worse on battery life? 01.34.21 # not really, musepack is turning out pretty well, flac is good, wavpack is good 01.34.29 # Many people would pick other formats despite the battery life loss, because they prefer sound quality, and don't ever use up their battery anyway? 01.34.35 # preglow: shorten has like 2-3% cpu boost ratio iirc 01.34.45 # didn't test shorten yet 01.34.45 # most lossless codecs run really well 01.35.04 # how about lossy stuff like mpc 01.35.19 # that doesnt seem like it would be too tough on batteries 01.35.37 # is there anything better then OGG ??? I don't care about file size 01.35.56 # wavpack if you don't care about the size 01.35.59 # I luv ogg but am always looking for better 01.36.00 # or flac 01.36.23 # ogg kills the batteries so much... well at least in the iriver firmware 01.36.32 # WarrenLeyes: flac is very fast now 01.36.36 # WarrenLeyes: the fastest codec we have 01.36.41 # LOL that it does 01.36.51 # preglow: again, i think shorten's taken that throne 01.37.02 # for lossy codecs, musepack might be one of the faster ones, once i get this bug fixed 01.37.07 # ashridah: i thought you said it boosted 01.37.12 # ashridah: flac never boosts 01.37.22 # ogg must be able to get 10 hrs of battery life ;) 01.37.26 # ic ... but a pain to download(torrent) i bet, lack of support 01.37.40 # AnInternetUser: buy a bigger battery, they cost close to nothing 01.37.54 # preglow: ah, well, i stand corrected. 01.38.13 # i would actually prefer to buy a bigger hard drive and stick to mp3 01.38.14 # WarrenLeyes: then stop stealing music :) 01.38.14 # ashridah: linuxstb even did a special build of rockbox that ran at 30 mhz, it never boosted then either 01.38.38 # hell i built 3 external battery packs that use rechargables ... i will never run out of power 01.38.42 # well if you like flacs you can always sign up at http://btmusic.org:2710 01.38.59 # preglow: uh, flac just boosted here 01.39.06 # So, if FLAC is the 'fastest' does that also mean that it offers the best battery life? 01.39.09 # ashridah: wut? 01.39.19 # ashridah: 44.1khz? 01.39.25 # preglow: i just watched the audio thread. it just boosted while reading data. 01.39.26 Join DMJC [0] (n=DMJC@60-240-212-35.tpgi.com.au) 01.39.28 # i liked mp3 untill i heard the same track in OGG (WOW) night and day 01.39.35 # ashridah: haha, well of course 01.39.38 # ashridah: Yes, but that's the playback code boosting the CPU, not FLAC. 01.39.41 # ashridah: the reading routine always boosts 01.39.48 # well if you encode mp3's right they are just as good as ogg 01.40.00 # Paul_The_Nerd: linuxstb got a good 13 hours out of flac on a standard battery 01.40.04 # Wait until the buffer has been filled, then enter the debug screen. You won't see it boost. 01.40.06 # oggs are supposedly transparent at a lower bitrate though 01.40.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: which is very good, imho 01.40.06 # bah ;) 01.40.13 # not good enough ;) 01.40.16 # Aye, preglow. 01.40.22 # Not that it matters, I usually only need about 4-5 hours of batterly life at a time anyway 01.40.24 # true 01.40.45 # my battery is screwed now though 01.40.52 # maybe i should buy a good new one 01.40.55 # AnInternetUser: the difference of bitrate where transparency happens between vorbis and LAME is extremely small 01.40.56 # however 01.41.03 # I need 8 to 9 hrs a shot 01.41.03 # Vorbis scales down to lower bitrates much better 01.41.05 # preglow: 13 hours is excellent given the bitrate of the files, and how often it'd need to spin up the disk 01.41.06 # AnInternetUser: Also, bitrate is roughly equivalent to file size per minute, so since you can get better sound quality at lower bitrates, you can store more oggs in the same space vs equivalent sounding MP3s. 01.41.07 # My 13-hour FLAC test was on an album that averaged about 950kbps. 01.41.13 # it does 01.41.25 # i should test WavPack 01.41.26 # yes i know thats the advantage 01.41.32 # since that's what all my lossless is in 01.41.41 # I tend to just use Lossless anyway. Don't own that much music, and the OCRemixes are all already MP3s 01.42.00 # And I'm hoping if/when speex is implemented it'll offer a good choice for my audiobooks 01.42.25 # but for transparency whats the difference between ogg and mp3 01.42.26 # hell thats why we have all these options of codecs now .... each to ones own ...be it power to run a long time or Sound for the purists 01.42.30 # like 30 kb/s? 01.42.32 # speex on a portable would own 01.42.44 # AnInternetUser: about 15kbps for metal 01.42.45 # sometimes 20 01.42.46 # mind you i dontmind vbr 01.42.56 # how about mpc 01.42.57 # is that better? 01.42.58 # that's just because of the sfb21 issue with mp3 01.43.04 # musepack is about the same as vorbis 01.43.08 # Speex doesn't have an integerized library yet, though DreamTactix291, and I understand that's the most major hurdle. 01.43.10 # assuming aoTuV 01.43.18 # yeah 01.43.21 # and whats the numbers 01.43.21 # i need to read up on musepack 01.43.26 # 175 or so? 01.43.29 # rough guess for me 01.43.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: speex does have a partially integerezied library 01.43.34 # 175-180 for vorbis and mpc 01.43.38 # 190-200 for LAME 01.43.43 # over all genres averaged together 01.43.46 # for most people 01.43.51 # so v2 is good? 01.43.56 # absolutely 01.44.06 # i did everything at v0 being paranoid and too lazy to test 01.44.12 # LAME 3.97b1 -V2 --vbr-new is the recommended line at hydrogenaudio.org now 01.44.31 # yup 01.44.32 # my solution is different 01.44.32 # i still don't trust vbr-new 01.44.40 # :) 01.44.42 # i am a skeptic on that 01.44.49 # --vbr-new as of 3.97 is of equal or higher quality than --vbr-old and faster 01.44.58 # it's only faster because it takes fewer steps to do the same thing 01.44.58 # why 01.45.10 # listening tests have proven --vbr-new is safe now 01.45.19 # where is this hydrogenaudio link 01.45.29 # that would make me so happy 01.45.33 # look for guruboolez's listening tests 01.45.43 # no more slow encoding/high file sizes 01.45.52 # trust me on this :) 01.46.01 # lol i just encoded an album 01.46.04 # with tracks at 270 01.46.06 # vbr 01.46.11 # :) 01.46.29 # but how about 3.98 01.46.38 # is that worse or something 01.46.41 # or just not confirmed 01.47.01 # it's alpha 01.47.11 # right now its not fundamentally much different from 3.97b 01.47.23 # is that a transparency test? 01.47.26 # or just at low bitrates 01.47.35 # i can't find a high bitrate test for vbr-new vs old 01.47.59 # well i remember reading one by guruboolez 01.48.08 # where --vbr-new was consistently better than vbr-old 01.49.14 Quit webguest36 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.50.01 # faster doesn't mean lower quality necessarily 01.50.12 # vbr-new simply just takes fewer steps 01.50.42 # i found something about –athaa-sensitivity 01.50.58 # only useful for -V5 and below 01.51.11 # so if i was going to use v2 01.51.16 # would that be recommended? 01.51.24 # -V2 --vbr-new 01.51.29 # thats all? 01.51.30 # using 3,97b1 01.51.32 # yep 01.51.44 # how about the Q value 01.51.48 # leave it alone 01.52.19 # ok... i was under the impression that q0 saved a bit of file space 01.52.22 # basically with LAME you never want to mess with anything but the basic -Vn and --vbr-new 01.52.32 # well until 3.97 they were broken for -q0 and -q1 01.52.35 # and caused ringing sometimes 01.52.44 # and -q2 and -q3 are non ABXable 01.52.47 # so they default to 3 01.52.59 # for --vbr-new -q0 through -q3 produce bit identical output 01.53.06 # err -q0 through -q4 01.53.31 # and the default is? 01.53.33 # 5? 01.53.35 # -q3 01.53.37 # oh 01.53.40 # which is the old -q2 01.53.49 # so there really is no point at all 01.53.53 # cool 01.53.55 # exactly 01.53.58 # i will start the big encoding project 01.54.01 # -V2 --vbr-new and happy encoding :) 01.54.26 # i personally use Lancer 20051121 -q6 because for metal it's about 20 kbps smaller than mp3 01.54.36 # due to format deficiencies encoding 16kHz and up 01.54.48 # but mp3 is very much transparent at those rates 01.54.52 # damn now i am seeing unperfect ratings for v2 mp3's 01.55.14 # ? 01.55.20 # what do you mean unperfect 01.55.26 # i'll let you in on a secret 01.55.37 # if it fails with -V2 it's usually going to fail even with -b320 01.55.44 # because it's a format deficiency most of the time 01.56.34 # so its really not transparent 01.56.38 # but just the same as 320 01.56.50 # (transparent with wav) 01.56.50 # it's transparent for all but problem samples 01.56.57 # seriously try to ABX -V2 stuff 01.56.58 # it's hard 01.57.02 # if even possible for you 01.57.16 # i tried v5 and i could do that 01.57.22 # that's because it's small 01.57.25 # 130ish 01.58.46 # so as long as v2 and v0 have no difference thats cool 01.58.54 # yep 01.59.25 # is there any way to massively convert flacs organized in folders to mp3's? 01.59.35 # (and some ape's) 01.59.44 # i use foobar2000 for that 01.59.49 # it's very easy to set up 01.59.58 # isn't there a script for that 02.00.04 # probably 02.00.15 # i was using dbpoweramp 02.00.16 # I generally use dBPowerAmp for mass conversions. 02.00.37 # since i use foobar for playback i use it for everything else 02.00.41 # nice to have it all in one package for me 02.00.57 # i do wavpack to vorbis all the time 02.01.01 # in fact i'm doing it now 02.01.20 # I got dbPowerAmp before I started using Foobar, so I never bothered to pay attention to anything but its playback features 02.01.26 # whats the suggested way to tag the mp3's 02.01.34 # * AnInternetUser feels like such a newb 02.01.43 # for compatibility probably ID3v2 02.01.52 # like a particular program? 02.02.01 # APEv2 is nice but good luck using it with anything else but foobar 02.02.06 # mp3tag is good 02.02.18 # yeah thats what i have 02.02.37 # it's a good app 02.02.39 # but theres no way to add tags while encoding 02.02.44 # i would have to add them after the encoding 02.02.52 # if you use dbPowerAMP or foobar2000 tags are kept 02.02.55 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 02.03.04 # Are you transcoding, or encoding from CDs? 02.03.04 # i doubt the flacs and apes have tags 02.03.09 # oh 02.03.17 # Ah 02.03.24 # foobar has a freedb lookup ability. dbPowerAMP probably does as well 02.04.09 # i think this may be a symbol of my current boredom: http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/downwithisheep.gif 02.04.16 # hm, any iriver h3x0 user with h1x0 lcd remote? 02.04.54 # LOL 02.05.12 # nice link 02.05.12 # not me 02.05.38 # dbpoweramp doesnt appear to have freedb 02.05.40 # :( 02.05.45 # foobar does 02.05.55 Join JCodous [0] (n=root@host86-131-199-180.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) 02.05.56 # you select and right click and it can do a lookup 02.06.30 # actually foobar makes me lazy :| 02.06.40 # haha thats cool 02.06.46 # then you can rename due to the tags 02.06.48 # i use a program called Tagscanner for ID3 02.06.55 # it's spoiled me 02.07.23 # oh also a little piece of advice i've found works 02.07.29 # do you use your comment field for anything? 02.07.30 # if not 02.07.33 # do what i do 02.07.40 # and put encoder version and switches in it 02.07.48 # that way later on i can tell what i used to encode what 02.07.55 # just by looking at the tags 02.12.59 Quit Membrillo () 02.14.22 Quit muesli_- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 02.16.16 Quit WarrenLeyes ("Leaving") 02.17.03 Quit Amar ("CGI:IRC") 02.17.18 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.18.18 # Bger: Me i have a H100 remote with my H320 02.18.40 # does any Rockbox person have an H300 remote? 02.18.58 # Kyl3: I do. I have the LCD H300 one! 02.19.08 # Can you code? 02.19.16 # Kyl3: Though I probably don't count as a Rockbox person. 02.19.19 # I can code. 02.19.33 # But my strongest language is Java which is of little use here. 02.19.42 # maybe rockbox can see if misticjeff can donate one to them sometimes :) 02.20.02 # so is there hope that you can donate your remote to Linus or someone? 02.20.08 # or someone 02.20.13 # ? 02.20.19 # there's a remote specifically for the h300? 02.20.23 # yea theyre in stock now 02.20.26 # yea 02.20.31 # who has the h300? 02.20.37 # I've just plugged the remote into the H300 and it seems to be displaying everything happily but I'm not sure about the buttons. 02.20.50 # JCodous: in rockbox? 02.20.52 # the joystick doesnt work 02.21.00 # the slider switches do 02.21.02 # kinda 02.21.08 # oh, the remote already works? 02.21.09 # well 02.21.11 # for display? 02.21.13 # http://www.misticaudio.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=8_13&products_id=33 02.21.14 # in rockbox that is 02.21.15 # no 02.21.20 # Rick: Yes. 02.21.24 # yes the display works 02.21.24 # oh that's nice 02.21.46 # that means the remotes should be basically the same hardware wise 02.21.49 # the h100 remote but the h300 one dont work at 100% ... if its not already patched 02.21.56 # back order? :/ 02.22.11 # hrmmm 02.22.11 # (on rockbox i mean) 02.22.12 # I wonder... 02.22.14 # but the h300 remote they controls are whacked 02.22.22 # The buttons are not responding. 02.22.30 # is the plug for the h300 remote the same as the h100 one? 02.22.35 # the slider switches can scroll 02.22.36 # yea 02.22.38 # yes 02.22.39 # hmmm 02.22.39 # yes 02.22.41 # * Rick evil idea 02.22.59 # In some of the setup menus I seemed to get a response but not in directory / file browsing! 02.23.04 # i'd actually like an H3xx remote for my H140 if it would work :) 02.23.06 # i like the joystick 02.23.10 # DreamTactix291: EXACTLY 02.23.18 # lol 02.23.22 # i think that works 02.23.25 # if the plugs are the same it should be simple to support the h300 remote on the h100 02.23.31 # yeah i think so too 02.23.34 # (: 02.23.35 # i'll probably buy one eventually 02.23.44 # How does the button response work? 02.23.52 # but what about the h300 remote on the h300? lol 02.23.55 # but 70$ is quite expensive lol 02.23.59 # i know 02.24.01 # it says $60 02.24.02 # D: 02.24.05 # Is it possible to log button presses to find the codes or is it more complex than that! 02.24.07 # oh ok ;-) 02.24.12 # ask jeff if he can donate one? 02.24.15 # JCodous: By pressing a button you change the resistance. 02.24.15 # maybe $70 after shipping 02.24.21 # anyway, if nobody has donated one 02.24.21 # i could make a thread 02.24.26 # JCodous: Do you have a multimeter? 02.24.29 # i'll buy one for Linus/whoever on rockbox team has a h300 02.24.33 # markun: Yes. 02.24.51 # markun: But the decent one is currently at work. 02.24.58 # yeah we could do a donation account for one 02.25.04 # and use that to pay jeff if we wanted 02.25.06 # i'd donate 02.25.12 # even though i don't have an H3xx 02.25.15 # i have h300 lcd remote too 02.25.15 # Which pins should I be recording values across and I could take a look over the weekend! 02.25.20 # and 02.25.29 # hm 02.25.31 # errr 02.25.31 # wtf? 02.25.37 # why is it $60 on mistic 02.25.37 # JCodous: I don't know which pins, but there aren't that many 02.25.40 # and $20 on iriver's site 02.25.44 # I know iriver's site is sold out but wtf? 02.25.44 # only made in Korea 02.25.48 # Benacool 02.25.56 # https://secure7.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=iriver&RowID=123&All= 02.25.57 # yea ? 02.26.02 # so 02.26.07 # so what ? 02.26.11 # wait 02.26.13 # that's a different remote 02.26.14 # weird 02.26.14 # when you use your h100 remote with h300 (iriver fw) 02.26.20 # yea 02.26.25 # is the button mapping correct ? 02.26.29 # JCodous: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control 02.26.32 # 100% correct 02.26.39 # i mean, the button marked 'play/pause' is play/pause etc 02.26.46 # Bger: yeah, it uses the same plug i'm guessing it's the same hardware just slightly different button stuff 02.26.48 # markun: I count 10 contact points not including the headphones. That might take a while 02.26.49 # the iriver firmware is made to be used with it ... 02.27.00 # markun: Thanks. I'll take a look at the page. 02.27.03 # then there must be way to understand whether the remote is h300's one or h100's one 02.27.14 # Bger: i'm sure there is 02.27.18 # if not there could be an option (: 02.27.26 # so we have to find out how ... 02.27.50 # can whoever owns a h300 remote take a close up picture of the plug? (like the wiki page) 02.27.55 # simplier way is an option in the settings... 02.27.58 # Rick it's the same 02.28.03 # oh ok (: 02.28.10 # absolutely the same 02.28.33 # is it a real joystick or the "click" kind on h100? 02.29.09 # the click kind 02.29.22 # ah 02.29.30 # LinusN: if you read this ... do you have any idea how to detect the remote type (h100 or h300) 02.29.33 # hrm 02.29.36 # now that I think about it 02.29.43 # there's a debug screen that shows keypresses 02.29.47 # in rockbox 02.29.50 # lemme boot up my iriver 02.29.52 # hm ? 02.30.00 # and you can depress the joystick like a buttor 02.30.03 # * Bger boots too\ 02.30.07 # lol 02.30.18 # ok 02.30.26 # who has h300 remote and rockbox installed? 02.30.36 # JCodous: If you go to menu->info->debug->view i/o ports you can read the value of adc_remote 02.30.38 # * Bger has 02.30.39 # mee 02.30.39 # ^ 02.30.40 Quit dpassen1 (Connection timed out) 02.30.42 # yep what markn said 02.30.47 # can you see what the values are for the key presses? 02.31.01 # look at the value of ADC_REMOTE when you press a joystick key 02.31.03 # yes 02.31.18 # -10 : B8 02.31.25 # +10 : 9f 02.31.40 # play/pause: 7f 02.31.53 # + d2 02.32.00 # - 00 02.32.14 # prev: ed 02.32.20 # next: 17 02.32.23 # a-b: 4f 02.32.33 # Stop: 36 02.32.34 # joy push : no reaction 02.32.47 # Mode: 67 02.32.49 # a-b: 4e 02.33.02 # mode (rec) : 65 02.33.11 # strange 02.33.13 # stop: 35 02.33.24 # JCodous: is your remote hold on/off? 02.33.33 # Off 02.33.42 # hold: no reaction 02.33.45 # Bger: remote left/right/up/down also nothing? 02.33.48 # With it on. Nothing happens 02.33.56 # markun: <= = left 02.34.03 # hold is a different pin 02.34.05 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=dave@dhcp-163-1-214-173.seh.ox.ac.uk) 02.34.06 # i mean "prev" = left 02.34.09 # It's obviously wired in series with the resistor network 02.34.23 # <= = ED 02.34.32 # hmm 02.34.33 # idea 02.34.46 # when you press the joystick does OPT01_READ change? 02.35.14 # Rick i don't see such value 02.35.28 # oh 02.35.37 # My rockbox is very old (: 02.35.43 # Bger: Where did you get your remote from? 02.35.48 # GPIO1_READ ? 02.35.49 Quit AnInternetUser () 02.35.49 # ? 02.35.53 # There may well be more than one type 02.35.59 # JCodous: good point 02.36.04 # yes, there is a change in the last byte 02.36.09 # of GPIO1_READ 02.36.12 # on joy push 02.36.15 # ah 02.36.17 # what values? 02.36.19 # from 74 to 34 02.36.22 # ah 02.36.28 # what's the full value? 02.36.36 # (for reference) 02.36.37 # the second byte varies with time 02.36.59 # I think we have all the info to support the H300 remote now 02.37.04 # 068A6674 02.37.09 # but 02.37.14 # markun: yeah (: 02.37.23 # markun: only problem is detecting what kind of remote now I think 02.37.37 # 000xy000 02.37.40 # i mean 02.37.55 # is the h300 remote lcd larger? 02.37.59 # or is it the same 02.38.02 # On mine, the last hex pair changes to 34 when pressing the joystick 02.38.12 # when i plug the remote gpio_read change 02.38.16 # 068xy674 , x = A or B, y = 6 or 7 02.38.27 # JCodous same hear 02.38.28 # here 02.39.09 # the first number goes from 5 to 1 02.39.18 # when i plug my h100 remote 02.39.28 # ah 02.39.34 # what about you JCodous? 02.40.32 # my remote is bought in korea from a guy known as Kylera @ MR 02.40.58 # GPIO_Read. Without remoteD81BFAA8 02.41.18 # GPIO_Read. With remote D981BFAA8 02.41.28 # And the full listing of button responses 02.41.45 # hm, i suggest editing a wiki page 02.41.56 # yes 02.41.58 # Bger: A much better Idea 02.42.08 # Where would be a good place for this information? 02.42.13 # w8 a bit 02.43.01 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 02.43.29 Quit Kyl3 () 02.44.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents <= maybe here, but let me finish mine response 02.44.17 # Certainly. Just let me know when you're done. 02.46.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverHardwareComponents#Remote_Control has a bit on key values 02.46.02 # with the 100 remote : gpio_read = 1811bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 00a6004 (change after a second) ----- without remote : gpio_read = 581bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 00a6006 02.46.08 # oh wait 02.46.10 # no it doesn't 02.46.16 # that's main unit buttons 02.46.41 Quit PaulJ (".") 02.47.13 # sorry it's 000a6006 and 000a6004 02.47.37 # Rick: the values are also in firmware/drivers/button.c 02.47.38 # and it's 181bfaa8 02.48.31 # **correction ** with the 100 remote : gpio_read = 181bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6004 (change after a second) ----- without remote : gpio_read = 581bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6006 02.48.36 # Wait until Bger has finished his mods of the Wiki. 02.48.56 # doesn't the H300 remote have a menu button? 02.49.04 # I guess the important additional information would be Remote version (H300 / H100) and unit version. 02.49.18 # markun: Nothing labelled as "menu" 02.49.37 # it's not menu but NAVI no ? 02.50.02 # left upper wheel on the H100 02.50.10 # yea 02.50.17 # -10 / +10 / play-pause / Skip back / Skip forward / Vol+ / Vol- / A-B / Stop / MODE. Plus joystick press and Hold 02.51.04 # Interestingly the joystick press makes it past the hold function. 02.51.30 # my remote the navi is clicking of the skip back / skip forward button 02.51.35 # (h100 remote) 02.51.38 # ready 02.52.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Responses_from_H300_not_H100_rem 02.52.38 # I can see 'menu' written on the H300 remote, but I can't see which button it's supposed to be. 02.53.06 # NAVI 02.53.20 # heh silly iriver 02.53.24 # lol 02.53.27 # i suppose they mean mnavi 02.53.33 # ? 02.53.36 # Presumably the centre one as the others cover volume and navi 02.53.37 # mnavi? 02.53.40 # navi = navigation 02.53.55 # on my remote it's written NAVI/MENU 02.54.15 # so you can be tricked ;-) 02.54.15 # the joystick on the remote has the same functions as the <<, >>,+,- and "navi" buttons on the main unit 02.55.04 # and maybe iriver wrote "menu" because long push on the navi gets you into the settings menu 02.55.45 # ah 02.55.48 # yes 02.55.50 # do the value i typed about the h100 remote can be used to recognize the remote ? 02.56.21 # does the h300 remote have a clip? 02.56.26 # someone can verify with his h300 remote if the same byte change 02.56.26 # clip ? 02.56.38 # belt/clothing clip 02.56.39 # Benacool could you repeat it 02.56.47 # **correction ** with the 100 remote : gpio_read = 181bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6004 (change after a second) ----- without remote : gpio_read = 581bfaa8 and gpi01_out = 000a6006 02.56.48 # yes, it does have 02.56.57 # ok (: the picture on mistic looks like it doesn't 02.57.27 # you mean the thing that is used to "attach" the remote to your clothes, yea ? 02.57.27 # on gpio_read the first byte change on gpi01_out the last one change 02.57.40 # yeah Bger, a clip (: 02.58.25 # Rick then it has :) 02.58.28 # sorry for my eng :) 02.58.35 # it's ok 02.58.53 # is it the same values with the h300 remote ? 02.58.54 # without h300 remote: 069(a/b)6674 02.58.59 # with remote 02.59.17 # 068(a/b)(6/7)674 02.59.42 # far from my values lol 02.59.51 # hm 03.00.01 # i didn't watch GPIO1_OUT 03.00.23 # i have a US H3020 and you ? 03.00.28 # H320** 03.00.40 # yep, there is difference 03.00.55 # k 03.01.25 # maybe they can read these change to recognize the remote when it pluged in 03.01.36 # so, without H300 remote: GPIO1_READ: 069(a/b)6674 ; GPIO1_OUT: 000a6006 03.02.07 # the gpi01_out is the same that mine 03.02.16 # with H300 remote: GPIO1_READ: 068(a/b)(6/7)674 ; GPIO1_OUT: ... 03.02.30 # hm, it seems it returns back to the previos value after a while 03.02.43 # yea me too 03.03.04 # the value is 000a6004 temporaryh 03.03.54 # when my remote is plugged it's GPIO1_OUT = 000a6006 and when it is unpluged it's 000a6004 (with the h100 rmeote) 03.03.55 # OK. Finished updating. I've added another table for the remote changes. May need tidying if there are more than one type of H300 remote . 03.04.23 # Given the difference in values between my remote and Bger's, I suspect it's resistance tolerances in the network. 03.04.25 # it changes about 0.5 sec after plugging the remote and goes back after maybe 5-10 03.04.29 # yes 03.04.33 # The button presses are a range thing perhaps? 03.04.35 # very little difference 03.04.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.04 Quit actionshrimp ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 03.05.21 # damn sorry it's the same thingoups lol when GPIO1_OUT change it's because the REMOTE LCD is ON 03.05.46 # eh i merged my two sentences ... 03.05.47 # one bit between 7F and 80, 9F and A0; 17 and 18; 4E and 4F :) 03.05.55 # ** when GPIO1_OUT change it's because the REMOTE LCD is ON 03.06.04 # or not 03.06.41 # yeah 03.06.44 # it's the backlight 03.06.56 # ok ^^' 03.07.06 # On mine (H300 remote + H300) when the remote backlight is on, the last digit of GPIO1_OUT changes from 6 to 4 03.07.14 # same here 03.07.20 # i was thinking it changed when i was pluging or unpluging the remote 03.07.34 # yea same thing for me with the h100 03.08.13 # who is JonSenior ? 03.08.13 # in fact it change but it's because the LCD is obviously not longer ON when unpluged lol ... 03.08.55 # JCodous? 03.09.24 # Bger: Jcodous. It's an old nick I had and I tend to use it instinctively! 03.09.40 # k :) 03.09.46 Nick JCodous is now known as JonSenior (n=root@host86-131-199-180.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) 03.09.47 # are you editing the page ? 03.09.53 # strange that Jon's keys are +1 03.10.04 # or +2 03.10.06 # No. I just saved the page 03.10.07 # Rick this is very little diff 03.10.10 # yeah 03.10.13 # It's strange (: 03.10.27 # JonSenior did you release the edit lock ? 03.10.30 # Rick: Given that this is a ADC value, what you're seeing is resistor tolerance! 03.10.32 # Rick: it's not 03.10.37 # Bger: I think so 03.10.46 # Bger: Give me a second. 03.10.56 # hehe 03.11.17 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@p54A7E12D.dip.t-dialin.net) 03.11.18 # Oops. My bad. 03.11.24 # You should be able to edit now! 03.12.25 # Rick: I suspect that's why the resistor values are what they are! It ensures that the range is far greater than the tolerance. 03.13.18 # I'm sort of surprised that they didn't put a converter in the remote and use a serial link to transfer the data. I guess this method must have a faster response time. 03.15.12 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.17.06 # if i want to add my reading with the remote pluged in (or unpluged) how i do it ? (don't know how to use the wiki lol) 03.17.26 # Click on the "edit" link at the bottom of the page. 03.17.48 # It will prompt you to enter a username / password, but if you don't have one, click cancel to set one up. 03.18.23 # Then either read the existing content for an idea of how to format it, or read the formatting instructions. 03.18.41 # And remember to release the edit lock when you've finished! ;-) 03.19.02 # ok ^^ 03.19.41 # ok, it's 4:19 am here, going to sleep :) 03.19.43 # nite 03.20.57 # someone already modifying it ... i have to wait! 03.21.17 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.26.15 # someone forgot to unlock the topic or what ? lol 03.26.46 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.27.21 # Looks like Bger forgot to unlock. If you can wait, let it time out. 03.28.23 # I shall probably head for bed too. While it's only 2:25 here, I do need to be in work at 09:00! 03.28.48 # If you're reading the logs Linus... good job so far. Much impressed with recent developments. 03.28.50 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c204055.adsl.hansenet.de) 03.29.17 # If I can get my head around C enough to do it (And I can find the time!) I'll take a look at the button code. 03.29.22 # G'Night all. 03.29.27 Quit JonSenior (Remote closed the connection) 03.36.33 # hello 03.36.50 # any idea when there will be a peak meter for recording? 03.39.33 # hello? 03.40.57 Join Navi00 [0] (n=RawrRawr@c-67-167-97-13.hsd1.in.comcast.net) 03.41.00 Part Navi00 03.41.40 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.46 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 03.45.47 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.47.39 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-157-39-233.bna.bellsouth.net) 03.50.10 Join JonSenior [0] (n=root@host86-131-199-180.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) 03.50.24 # Couldn't let it rest! 03.50.35 # Benacool: Are you still modifying the page? 03.51.06 # Benacool: Do you have a listing of the button responses for the H100 remote (I believe that's what you've got!)? 03.52.36 # Only it looks like the remote has the same response when connected (-4 on the first digit!). What player is yours? H320 / H340? 03.53.22 # yea i'd just finish 03.54.48 # it's the first time i write something to the wiki lol ... its okay ? 03.54.57 # on* 03.56.30 # Seems OK. I've just added another column to the response table (And changed it's title). If you've got the values for the keypresses, could you add them to it. 03.57.46 # yea i might ... but the h100 remote already work on rockbox .... is it really necessary to add them there ? 03.59.13 # Probably worth it as they don't appear to be detailed elsewhere. I'm personally interested to see how different they are from the H300 ones. 04.00.04 # ok but the button are not exactly the same we should do a second table for the h100 remote 04.02.33 # Good idea. If you look at the tables in there you should get an idea of how they work. 04.02.43 # yea ^^ 04.02.46 # The other thing to check is the hold button. 04.03.33 # On my remote it causes the third digit in GPIO1_READ to change from C to D 04.10.19 # OK. Now I really am going to bed! 04.10.26 Quit JonSenior (Remote closed the connection) 04.18.43 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 04.24.12 Quit schnittn2005 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.36.24 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.55 Quit Kyl3 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.55 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 05.03.16 Quit DMJC-L (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.04.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.10.52 # I40:PDIR1FULL at 00AC4400 trying to boot up rockbox H340 first time 05.14.45 Join Timomimi [0] (n=dcfd6dd1@labb.contactor.se) 05.15.35 # hey guys...im running RBox on an H300 and was wondering if there is a general menu like the H1xx series yet? or can i just not find it? 05.16.04 # Timomimi: there should be, if you hit the a-b button 05.16.39 # lol, so there is 05.16.56 # ive been nailing the Navi button in every screen 05.17.00 # cheers ashridah 05.19.44 Quit Timomimi (Client Quit) 05.20.20 Quit Benacool (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.33.48 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 05.33.55 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 05.34.07 Part Benacool 05.35.04 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 05.49.12 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 05.53.02 # hi 05.55.38 # so, what happened to the other 1233 Jungti's anyway? 05.55.56 # Hehehe 05.56.34 Quit Benacool (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.56.53 # why..-_-; 05.57.12 # just curious 05.57.27 # '1234' is no any meaning. 05.57.42 # okay. 05.58.35 # Can't I convert 'lang' file to 'lng' file? 06.04.45 # We didn't see phaedrus961 during 1 week. 06.05.22 Quit RotAtoR ("Leaving") 06.15.09 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 06.15.11 Part Benacool 06.17.54 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-224.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.17.54 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 06.18.11 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-123-224.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.34.29 Join baobab68 [0] (n=ca3421eb@labb.contactor.se) 06.34.59 # hi all 06.36.10 # may I ask some questions re: supported file formats on Rockbox? 06.36.46 # anyone about? it's 1630 here...noone in the Southern Hemisphere? 06.39.07 # yoo 06.39.12 # hoo 06.41.17 # baobab68: that kind of information is available on the wiki 06.41.38 # yep 06.41.43 # short answer though = a lot 06.41.56 # lots of formats 06.42.59 # DreamTactix291: unless he is talking about on the players with hardware mpeg decoding ;) 06.43.16 # lol 06.43.18 # yeah 06.43.39 # DreamTactix291: i can see the various formats listed - i did actually read bits of the wiki and also searched it. what i am interested in is VBR vs CBR for MP3... which is more "fully supported" on RB? 06.43.56 # both are perfectly supported 06.43.58 # to be honest 06.44.08 # if something can't playback VBR mp3 then it's broken 06.44.11 # VBR is in the specs 06.44.30 # so the remaining time will update correctly and i'll be able to ff and rw correctly if i encode VBR? 06.44.35 # yes 06.44.43 # baobab68: rockbox uses libmad, so look up libmad's supported formats 06.45.20 # also check out the iRiver testing page on the wiki, I think it has more information on testing the various formats seeking and other support 06.45.32 # yeah 06.45.41 # out of usage experience both mp3 and vorbis work great 06.46.17 # DreamTactix291: that's good to hear. 06.46.24 # yes 06.46.28 # wavpack is great too 06.46.30 # * lostlogic prays for H300 DAC functionality soon 06.46.31 # my PC software (MediaMonkey) seems to do a better conversion to MP3 than OGG. Or maybe OGG just doesn't like the low bitrate I want to use. 06.46.32 # all 3 of those seek well 06.46.43 # what are you shooting for? 06.47.06 # lostlogic: i am also awaiting audio, then I could test this stuff myself... 06.47.12 # theoretically vorbis scales down a lot better than mp3 06.47.14 # also 06.47.21 # if you use LAME to encode mp3 they playback gaplessly 06.48.30 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.48.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 06.48.44 # i have no idea what mediamonkey uses for an encoder 06.48.49 # i have a collection in *evil* WMA, and I can't be bothered to re-rip it so I'm going to convert it. 06.49.00 # just so you know 06.49.08 # the resulting files will sound worse than your wmas 06.49.14 # even if you raise the bitrate 06.49.26 # whether you notice or not is another thing 06.49.48 # A lot of times converting from one lossy to another means you *will* notice though. Especially if you're in low bitrates, which it sounded like you were. 06.49.57 # yeah 06.50.10 # if you ever learn to recognise lossy artifacts then you'll notice a lot 06.50.24 # as i said, i am no audiophile. having said that I *can* hear the difference from one of those iPod thingies, compared to my much better iriver. 06.50.42 # baobab68: don't transcode, transcoding is the devil's work. 06.51.21 # Hehehe 06.51.42 # aaargh. some time I will raise this subject and people won't say stuff like that 06.51.46 # :-) 06.51.52 # well it is 06.51.56 # my opinion 06.52.00 # if you want to do it right 06.52.07 # use EAC and go to LAME VBR 06.52.12 # and you'll be ok for good 06.52.42 # Or Vorbis, as some people think that sounds a bit better, or just prefer it because it's not proprietary. 06.53.12 # vorbis = smaller than LAME on metal 06.53.16 # i listen to my music on the train and in traffic. that's why i have a portable mp3 player. at least give me credit for not being a podder. 06.53.18 # so that's my reasoning 06.53.25 # oh we do 06.53.25 # trust me 06.53.38 # Hey, I'm thinking about getting an iPod soon 06.53.44 # Though... not one of the HD ones 06.53.47 # The Nano is just... tempting 06.54.00 # A flash based player that functionally is equivalent to an HD based player. 06.54.02 # it is cool to look at. 06.54.14 # *and* will have rockbox support in time 06.54.20 # i'm still happy with my H140 06.55.05 # i love my 320. even at WMA 64k, there are still occasional moments where I will hear instruments in old favourite songs, that I never noticed before 06.55.54 # good player 06.56.03 # I'm in love with my H120 06.56.04 # not so sure about your choice of bitrate and codec though :P 06.56.08 # but it's all good 06.56.14 # i had an H120 06.56.15 # But I want something I won't worry about when I'm more active. 06.57.12 # understandable 06.57.19 # i still don't have a need for a flash player myself 06.57.25 # So my first decision was "I need a flash player." 06.57.33 # i admit WMA was a mistake, but only because rockbox can't support it. and that's maybe a valid situation too, being no integer code around for WMA 06.57.43 # Unfortunately, the list of flash players that I'd *use* are slim 06.57.55 # WMA = not so stellar sound quality usually either :) 06.57.57 # WMA is a mistake for FAR more than "only because rockbox can't support it" 06.58.23 # i would never use the DRM'd version, only protection free. 06.58.35 # yeah but what we're saying is 06.58.40 # it's still not a very good codec 06.58.53 # based on? 06.59.03 # lots of listening tests 06.59.18 # by you guys personally? 06.59.23 # hydrogenaudio.org 06.59.29 # Many double blind tests 06.59.34 # and my own personal ABX and ABC/HR tests 06.59.48 # at 64k Vorbis or HE-AAC fare the best 06.59.48 # Though I'm not a fan of non-free codecs in general 06.59.50 # personally 06.59.54 # i like Vorbis more 06.59.58 # SBR is ugly sounding 07.00.17 # the 64K OGG's I made sounded awful 07.00.31 # which encoder? 07.00.33 # that matters 07.00.43 # if it's like Vorbis 1.0 then yeah 07.00.45 # Media Monkey again 07.00.55 # but if it's aoTuV b4.51 then -q0 sounds really good 07.01.04 # and i have no idea what media monkey is bundled with 07.01.08 # probably vorbis 1.0 or 1.0.1 07.01.10 # me either. 07.01.17 # old old versions 07.01.21 # I've never even heard of Media Monkey... 07.02.22 # it's actually a library manager. the reason i use it is because it gives my 320 autoplaylists, which no other program does. 07.02.57 # i've never used it 07.03.02 # Hrm 07.03.21 # There's a program out there that does database generation and playlist creation... TagDB Tool if I recall, is what I used to use. 07.03.33 # Or something like that 07.03.35 # Hrm 07.03.36 # based on rating, genre, year, any tag. my files are very well tagged. another reason for me wanting to convert them rather than re-rip 07.03.42 # That wasn't it. 07.03.42 # baobab68: make a vorbis file and post the vendor string here 07.03.46 # that'll tell me what version it uses 07.03.54 # TDT doesn't support ratings. 07.04.07 # Ah 07.04.16 # you have completely different needs from me :) 07.04.20 # i'm an album listener 07.04.23 # I don't exactly use ratings 07.04.29 # Yeah, mine are sorted by album primarily 07.04.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.04.49 # I hate autoplaylists anway. I prefer to pick individually every song in one. 07.05.05 # i just listen to albums from start to end usually 07.05.13 # or i just skip around as i choose otf 07.05.19 # Hungry.. 07.05.34 # hi jungti 07.07.07 # hi 07.07.46 # how can I get the vendor string out of the file? I can see in there (in notepad) "Xiph.org libvorbis I 20040920" 07.07.56 # hmm 07.07.59 # that's using 1.1 07.08.05 # odd that -q0 would sound bad then 07.08.19 # Was that encoded straight from the CD then? 07.08.26 # Like, the bad sounding one? 07.09.18 # converted from a WMA 64K to OGG Q 0.2 07.09.31 # That would do it. 07.09.50 # yep 07.09.54 # that's why it sounded horrible 07.09.54 # the WMA isn't perfect by any means but its ok for my needs. it sounds "ok" 07.10.00 # everything you convert will sound that bad 07.10.18 # Yeah, but suppose the WMA is 6/10. That means the OGG will ALWAYS be less than 6/10 07.10.27 # yep 07.10.32 # But if you got from CD->OGG you can get 6/10, or more likely, better 07.10.41 # -q0 from source is usually good 07.10.46 # especially from aoTuV b2 on 07.10.48 # which 1.1 is 07.10.54 # but why when i convert the same file to MP3 do I not hear the same burble artifacts and sibilants in the converted file, that i got with OGG? 07.10.57 # The only way to get even a remotely good comparison is if both are fresh from the CD. Because *every* time you convert, you can only get worse. 07.11.06 # what bitrate are the mp3s you're making? 07.11.31 # There's also the fact that MP3, WMA, and OGG compression work differently, so WMA->OGG can generate artifacts that WMA alone and OGG alone don't generate 07.11.39 # yep 07.11.54 # You're basically adding two sets of flaws together, and you may get a third set that's greater than the sum of its parts because of the way the math works 07.12.21 # short answer: transcoding is the devil 07.12.35 # My converted MP3 was VBR, Joint Stereo, VBR Quality 10%, Min Bitrate 0, Max Bitrate 128K. I chose these parameters because it gave a file only a little bigger than the equivalent WMA 07.13.09 # i also have no idea what mp3 encoder it uses 07.13.35 # encoder matters more than format really 07.13.44 # just checking, hoat 07.14.00 # so LAME would be the best I gather 07.14.02 # Basically, when you convert to lossy compression, you cut out some of the data. And every time you change it from one type to another, you just cut out *more* data. It can still be a bigger file, but each time there's less of the original audio. 07.14.14 # LAME is basically the only mp3 encoder that targets quality 07.14.15 # Basically, you went from CD (lossless) to WMA. This took away bits, simply because it's lossy. Then you went and took away MORE bits by transcoding it to Vorbis. The end result is that you've got a horrible quality file. 07.14.29 # lol 07.14.35 # actually you add noise 07.14.36 # Stop typing so fast, Paul! ;) 07.14.38 # but yeah 07.14.43 # Yeah, close enough. :P 07.14.55 # you create a file with a much lower resolution than the source 07.15.01 # and introduce quantisation noise 07.15.12 # and also other artifacts due to the MDCT 07.15.17 # and starving it of bits 07.15.40 # i get that. i *expect* to lose quality. my time is worth more to me than the quality of the music to be honest. it's interesting to me that CD > WMA > MP3 sounds better than CD > WMA > OGG... 07.15.55 # * Paul_The_Nerd was going for the 'technically incorrect but easily understandable explanation for someone who converts from WMA to OGG' 07.16.17 # the MP3's are being created with LAME3.96, to judge from the headers 07.16.27 # ah 07.16.36 # ah??? 07.16.43 # at least it's a good encoder 07.16.52 # It's because once you start transcoding lossy, baobab68, it's less a matter of which one is better, than how they react to each other. 07.16.55 # i hate seeing stuff bundling junk like blade 07.17.00 # yes 07.17.47 # I imagine you'd get the same problem going from CD->OGG->WMA too 07.17.50 # Or at least a very similar one 07.17.52 # yeah 07.17.55 # just how they both react 07.17.55 # But the OGG would sound just fine 07.18.12 # well it was acceptable for the drums, but then the strings came in and errgh 07.18.33 # low resolution left for the frequency reproduction 07.18.39 # you see 07.18.42 # when you do lossy to lossy 07.18.45 # you should hear the tracks that were MP3 128 > WMA 64 > OGG 0.2.... 07.18.58 # the encoder tries to encode the origina lossy stream as well as it can and adds it own loss 07.19.06 # i don't want to hear that :| 07.19.17 # neither did i that's why i deleted them all 07.20.08 # my quality is more important than my time to me 07.20.17 # that's why a year ago i reripped my entire collection to lossless 07.20.23 # different ideas of it i guess 07.20.59 # Yeah 07.21.10 # one last question, is there a LAME parameter called "VBR method" - the options appear to be "Default" or "New". MediaMonkey offers these choices in conversion but doesn't document the differences. 07.21.10 # put it this way 07.21.21 # well 07.21.26 # i don't use a frontend like that 07.21.31 # Currently all my music is store as lossless wavpack, though I'm gonna transcode them to FLAC. (As a side note, by definition, transcoding lossless is safe) 07.21.33 # but if it was using 3.97b you'd want new 07.21.41 # wavpack here as well 07.21.44 # and staying as wavpack 07.21.48 # the compression gains are too good 07.21.50 # FLAC decodes faster on Rockbox now 07.21.59 # So, better battery life 07.22.03 # i put vorbis on my H140 07.22.10 # i can't fit my lossless collection on it anyway 07.22.12 # it's 80 gigs 07.22.32 # Mine's not that big, but I also cull a decent percentage of the tracks 07.22.44 # lots of live stuff here 07.22.49 # Aaah 07.22.52 # i keep the wavpack on my computer 07.22.56 # its better there 07.23.01 # Yeah 07.23.04 # i can't ABX -q6 aoTuV from lossless anyway 07.23.15 # I seriously doubt I could 07.23.22 # But since I have the space at the moment, I might as well 07.23.38 # well 07.23.46 # i don't feel like transcoding 80 gigs of wavpack to flac ever 07.23.46 # so 07.23.51 # Hehehe 07.23.53 # even if i did lossless it would stay wavpack 07.23.57 # actually 07.23.59 # it would be like 07.24.02 # I'd just batch process it over night 07.24.05 # in terms of battery life any comments on rockbox's capabilities? on iriver firmware ogg is meant to be a battery chewer? 07.24.07 # 83-85 gigs after conversion 07.24.33 # They haven't been working on improving battery life yet 07.24.39 # Not seriously, at least. 07.24.41 # it's still god though 07.24.43 # good* 07.24.51 # It's good. In some cases it can be longer, I think. In some not 07.25.05 # i don't notice very short life with vorbis or mp3 07.25.55 # * Paul_The_Nerd only uses his player for 6 hours at a time, max. 07.26.28 # i don't even use mine that long at once 07.26.32 # at home i use my PC most 07.26.51 # also btw, my converted files appear to have a reference to 'xing' in the headers. does this mean they've got the xing header that helps rb work out the correct time display for vbr, and also since mediamonkey is using LAME, can I expect gapless? 07.27.18 # LAME does proper VBR headers 07.27.25 # and as long as media monkey isn't messing with anything 07.27.28 # you'll have gapless 07.27.30 # i guess since i'm converting from WMA, it might be "too late" for the gapless info 07.27.38 # wma is gapless by nature 07.27.40 # i think 07.27.46 # one good point 07.27.57 # no frame size to worry about with WMA? 07.28.03 # (re gapless) 07.28.04 # Every time I read the phrase "converting from WMA" I cringe. 07.28.21 # Hehehe 07.28.27 # yeah me too 07.29.07 # Both for the "converting from" part *and* the "WMA" part. :-P 07.29.42 # look, just accept it man. i will do it anyway and if i don't like the results i will delete them. i prefer to spend a couple days converting than several weeks re-ripping. if it sounds like sh*t, it's my fault. i accept that. at least i will have tried it. 07.30.05 # several weeks reripping?! how slow is your ripping speed? 07.30.09 # more power to you 07.30.15 # i have a job, man 07.30.21 # so do I 07.30.28 # and i still managed to rip a couple hundred CDs 07.30.34 # sorry didn't mean it that way. 07.30.48 # you know what makes it easy 07.30.52 # but retagging, re-rating 07.30.58 # well 07.30.59 # what's that? 07.31.01 # EAC tags it 07.31.09 # Yeah 07.31.10 # rip one before you leave for work 07.31.13 # and rip one when you go to bed 07.31.20 # and that's two a day and you don't even have to be at the comp 07.31.30 # I can rip something like 4 CDs an hour. 07.31.43 # While doing other things 07.31.46 # same for me 07.31.47 # though 07.31.52 # i replaygain after and such 07.31.55 # Yeah 07.31.55 # so that adds a bit more time 07.32.01 # I replaygain all of them, much later 07.32.07 # Put it all in a playlist in Foobar, and let it do it 07.32.13 # yep 07.32.20 # WMP tags it, MediaMonkey tags it. I just don't like the tags... and how do you tag spoken word stuff automatically that you've ripped out of movies? 07.32.48 # True, but it takes like, 3 minutes, to type in the track names and info in EAC before you hit "rip" 07.32.54 # autotagging's only as good as CDDB and Amazon's databases 07.33.01 # i'm not that committed 07.33.04 # EAC uses freedb 07.33.09 # it tends to be decent 07.33.15 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 07.33.30 # this is "horses for courses" anyway 07.33.30 # * ashridah notes he has a cache of all of his own tags already. 07.33.52 # i wish there was a tool to back up all tags, and then restore them onto a replacement set of files 07.33.59 # i ripped 7 CDs today 07.34.14 # there are programs that transfer tags i think 07.34.17 # beyond that i don't know 07.34.30 # I prepared for the possibility of needing multiple formats 07.34.40 # I burned all my lossless, tagged rips off to DVDs 07.34.44 # Data format, of course 07.34.47 # me too 07.34.51 # So now theoretically there's no need to rip ever again 07.34.54 # Just transcode off of them 07.35.23 # according to my MM stats, I have 1064 albums. the very thought of starting back at "A" again.... 07.35.41 # you own 1064 CDs? 07.35.53 # close to it.... 07.36.01 # i wish i had your money 07.36.05 # Are 07.36.06 # Aye 07.36.14 # i have lik 200 and i think it's a lot 07.36.35 # i am 38 years old and been buying cd's since i was about 19 07.36.49 # That's still 50 a year 07.36.50 # well yeah that would do it 07.36.56 # it adds up, just like ripping a couple a day... 07.36.56 # That's 4 a month 07.37.12 # well i'm 21 and have about 200 07.37.12 # though 07.37.16 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 07.37.17 # i scrounge through used bins 07.37.26 # baobab68: can i burn copies of all of them? :) 07.37.31 # I'm surprised they can still legally sell used CDs 07.37.33 # but a lot of them were like $1.50 each at flea markets 07.37.45 # *4 months later*... yay, all done 07.37.47 # ashridah: no but you can have my WMA 64K copies 07.37.53 # if you want them 07.37.59 # :-) 07.38.00 # Hahaha 07.38.06 # what would i play them with? 07.38.17 # iriver firmware 07.38.26 # or you can have my mp3 conversions when i'm done 07.38.41 # i don't like mp3's much either 07.38.42 # Until I got rockbox I never knew the iRiver firmware played WMA because I'd never even considered it as a format choice. 07.38.58 # * ashridah notes he doesn't have much handy to actually PLAY wma 07.39.01 # One day I read people talking about wanting WMA support, and how it was one of the few features of the iRiver FW that may not get supported 07.39.07 # about all i can think of is mplayer 07.39.10 # and that's not much of a player 07.39.14 # (for audio) 07.39.32 # scary: among my top 5 artists from MM - moby, regurgitator and cyndi lauper 07.39.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: i have zero wma files 07.39.47 # how did i get so much cyndi lauper? 07.39.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: it's possible to support it, it just requires work. someone was talking about doing some of the work for it a few days ago. haven't heard much else yet 07.39.47 # i don't think i've ever actually seen one 07.40.16 # baobab68: yay, gurg! 07.40.19 # well i take that back 07.40.19 # i will keep the WMA's on several data DVDs 07.40.26 # the gurge are cool 07.40.29 # ahsridah: As I said "may not." At the time I interpreted the discussion around it as being highly unlikely. 07.40.29 # i downloaded stuff encoded in it for listening tests 07.40.35 # since i have nothing that can encode wma 07.40.54 # DreamTactix291: you're not on Windows then 07.41.04 # yes i am 07.41.06 # no WMP 07.41.20 # fair enough 07.41.31 # Carved it out, DreamTactix291? 07.41.34 # yep 07.41.37 # well as best i could 07.41.41 # Yeah 07.41.46 # same with IE 07.41.51 # I've replaced mine with MPC for the most part 07.41.55 # MPC is great 07.42.01 # It's handy 07.42.37 # yes it is 07.42.44 # especially with QT and Real Alternative 07.42.50 # Exactly 07.42.55 # i can play mov and rm files without having to install all the crap 07.43.02 # Hehehe 07.43.11 # i don't like QT either 07.43.26 # Oddly enough I had an MKV that was playing both the english and japanese audio tracks simultaneously. I think my filters are being funky and need to be reinstalled. 07.43.34 # ah 07.43.36 # yeah sounds like it 07.43.50 # i don't think anyone is stupid enough to set two tracks as default 07.43.54 # mkv is awesome btw 07.44.00 # i really like it as a container 07.44.01 # Well, it wouldn't let me change them anyway 07.44.17 # well thank u guys for your input about VBR and LAME etc. I hope it doesn' 07.44.37 # I wish it were easier to encode my own DVDs. I hate having to hunt down MKVs or OGMs of mine, but it's still easier than aligning audio by hand, etc. 07.44.41 # t keep you awake at night, thinking of my poor little music files getting corrupted like that 07.44.54 # baobab68: it's your stuff 07.44.58 # i give advice 07.45.02 # Yeah 07.45.04 # but it's your stuff 07.45.10 # If it doesnt' bother you, go with it 07.45.23 # Just don't blame us if anything spontaneously bursts into flame 07.45.28 # :-) 07.45.28 # lol yeah 07.45.33 # like my ears 07.45.44 # No. 07.45.54 # Those, I fully expect, will hop off your head and hide somewhere 07.46.01 # lol 07.46.10 # shall we argue about what headphones we all use now? 07.46.21 # Shure E3 here 07.46.25 # Mine fall in the category of "marginally better than crappy" 07.46.48 # i like mine 07.46.57 # Some $15 one from Radioshack. They're actually Koss branded. My cats ate through my good ones. :( 07.47.08 # i have some koss earbuds 07.47.12 # Koss The Plug here. 07.47.12 # They actually sound really really good for the "less than $20" category 07.47.13 # i paid $2 for them :P 07.47.28 # i'll stick to my E3s 07.47.33 # "Koss Pro 35A Titanium" or somesuch 07.47.41 # I just don't have the cash for nice ones again at the moment 07.47.48 # i really like them, *except* they take too long to put in 07.48.11 # i've gotten fast with the E3s 07.48.38 # are they "squash the rubber thingy and stick it in your ear" like my Plugs? 07.48.55 # more just put it in your ear 07.49.22 # i went and tried some noise cancelling ones today. weird.... 07.49.31 # I can't do the "put it in your ear" variety 07.49.32 # i will stick to "noise blocking" 07.49.36 # me too 07.49.42 # oh i'm used to it 07.49.47 # you get used to canalphones 07.51.20 # yeah i have... i couldn't believe the difference between my Koss's and the iriver standard Sennheisers. 07.51.40 # my iriver didn't even have senns :P 07.51.45 # hey DreamTactix291; sorry to but in, but what do you think of the E3s? i have the sony ex71s and e2cs atm and i think i am in need of an upgrade 07.51.50 # I don't even remember the ones with my iRiver 07.51.53 # Way too long ago. 07.52.10 # ghode|afk: once i found a way to get a good seal i really liked them 07.52.21 # i used to have EX71s but they suffered the cord fraying problem 07.52.57 # in terms of comfort 07.53.04 # hehe had my ex71s for over a year, and not had any issues. but i've gone through my 2nd e2cs. at least shure has excellent CS 07.53.05 # anyway, thank you again chaps for your advice... long live the day when I can actually *hear* my converted MP3's on my 320... not far off i hope... 07.53.07 # the EX71s were more comfortable to wear 07.53.32 # yeah a lot easier to fit then the e2c. shame the sound isn't too great 07.53.41 # yep 07.53.42 # keep up the good work and keep me in mind if help is needed with the iriver manual at some stage 07.53.52 # what is the bass on the e3s like compared to the ex71s? 07.53.57 # less 07.54.02 # but i like the E3s sound more 07.54.13 # overall 07.54.14 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 07.54.16 # better mids and highs 07.54.17 # a lot less? :p 07.54.25 # well i'm not a bass head 07.54.25 # but 07.54.27 Part baobab68 07.54.32 # it's not deficient or anything 07.54.33 # okey, 07.55.01 # i am not a total bass head, but my music is more towards the bass side of the spectrum 07.55.07 # i can't compare to the E2s since i never owned one 07.55.10 # what genre/s? 07.55.37 # nothing too specific. some dnb/trance/industrial 07.55.45 # ah 07.55.50 # more prog rock/metal here 07.56.13 # well thats encouraging 07.56.32 # i've listened to trance through the E3s though 07.56.34 # and it sounds fine 07.57.07 # seems like the e3 is a nice step up, although i am tempted to go for a duel driver IEM 07.57.32 # it's worth looking into 07.57.32 # do you think to e3s are comfortable to wear while sleeping? 07.57.36 # no 07.57.38 # not at all 07.57.56 # i find if i lay on them they push in my ear too far and the sound muffles 07.58.01 # my EX71s didn't have that problem 07.58.02 # meh :/ 07.58.19 # yeah they are my current bedtime phones 07.58.31 # keep the EX71s for that 07.58.44 # you don't care as much about sound quality when you're trying to sleep :P 07.58.46 # had to do that with my e2cs. 07.58.51 # ya true :) 07.59.03 # i have a pair of EX51s i've had forever i use for sleeping 07.59.50 # if only shops would allow testing of iems. would make things so much easier :/ 08.00.07 # i know 08.00.11 # then again 08.00.21 # most people i know think i'm crazy for having my E3s 08.00.31 # "those cost too much" and such from people 08.01.20 # hehe some people said that to me when i said i spent £35 on my ex71s, then they thought i should be locked up when i bought the e2cs 08.01.33 # lol 08.01.36 # screw them 08.01.57 # people think i'm crazy for having a stereo receiver and bookshelf speakers hooked to my soundcard through S/PDIF :) 08.02.10 # yeah. i wonder what they'll say if i bought some westone um2s (£250) 08.02.20 # yeah 08.02.51 # yeah sorry man, thats totally crazy !!! 08.03.10 # nah i've seen crazier 08.03.39 # audiofool goodness 08.04.00 # hehe its an expensive road once you start on it 08.04.09 # well 08.04.20 # i don't consider decent equipment audiophilia 08.04.25 # real audiophilia is scary 08.04.52 # if your stereo costs more than your house and your neighbour's house then you are an audiofool 08.05.07 # lol that seems crazy >< 08.05.13 # i've seen it 08.05.16 # and some crazy stuff 08.05.24 # like stuff that claims to make CDs sound better 08.05.27 # when you stick it on them 08.05.30 # and other craziness 08.06.38 # meh way out of my league :/ 08.06.46 # you're sane 08.06.51 # even if you had the money 08.06.59 # i'd hope you wouldn't blow it on that :| 08.07.15 # my favourite are the $2000 speaker cables and such 08.07.26 # ... 08.07.39 # you mean for the speakers right? cos that i can understand... 08.07.58 # no 08.08.00 # the wire 08.08.07 # the speakers would be like $20000 in that case 08.08.10 # each 08.08.33 # man some people :/ 08.08.38 # yes 08.08.55 # cable elevators to keep the wire off the floor 08.08.57 # i've seen those 08.09.00 # i've seen some crazy stuff 08.09.05 # i'll see if i can link you 08.09.24 # thanks, i want to me wow'd 08.10.40 # http://www.ilikejam.dsl.pipex.com/audiophile.htm 08.10.51 # that's some crazy stuff 08.12.42 # geeez 08.12.51 # it's good laughs though 08.13.09 # 9000 for speaker cables 08.13.31 # look below that one 08.13.40 # 7000 for volume knobs. damnit :/ 08.13.55 # $30,750.00 speaker cable 08.13.56 # hah how did i miss that :/ 08.14.13 # see what i mean by 08.14.23 # if your equipment costs more than yours and your neighbour's house 08.14.24 # and really 08.14.36 # they have no benefits over much cheaper stuff at those prices 08.14.45 # no :/ 08.15.05 # speaker cable seriously doesn't matter much 08.15.09 # but i guess they wouldnt price this stuff if there wasn't a market 08.15.11 # as long as its proper gauge 08.15.22 # speakers need to be decent 08.15.27 # not according to OPUS :p 08.15.28 # but decent ends at a certain price 08.15.48 # i like the ultra tweeter 08.16.42 # 1GHz ultrasound 08.17.09 # "Ah, the classic audiophile fleecing in action. $1,500 for a, what, 3 feet long kettle lead?" - hehe 08.17.26 # see 08.17.35 # it's funny 08.17.39 # and this stuff is real too 08.18.40 # i think i should just stick to my ex71s :) 08.19.00 # lol 08.19.50 # well maybe i'll check out the e3s, then the e5s maybe go for some custom mold westones you know just to see.... 08.20.18 # Cable Elevators Plus 08.20.19 # God forbid your insulated speaker cables should touch anything as audiophilically damaging as your carpet. 08.20.36 # i want custom moulds 08.20.38 # just for comfort 08.20.54 # this one cracks me up too 08.20.55 # The Altmann Acoustic Panel 08.20.55 # How much for an 80x50cm plank of wood? Two bucks? Maybe three? Hell no, this is audiophile wood. Yours for $240. 08.21.25 # yeah, that's amazing. 08.21.36 # I've saved the best for last. This is the famous 'Silver Rock Signature Knob'. 08.21.37 # A piece of pure... wood. 08.21.38 # Shaped into the form of... a knob. 08.21.39 # .... 08.21.39 DBUG Enqueued KICK CheeseBurgerMan 08.21.39 # For... a volume control. 08.21.40 # I could be wrong, but I think it's just a wooden volume knob. You can have the pleasure of personally twiddling this audiophile essential for a positively insane $485. 08.21.41 *** Alert Mode level 1 08.21.41 # But wait, there's more! Or maybe less, because they're made for the 'Silver Rock Potentiometer' linked above. So you'll need two of them. $970. Bargain. 08.22.04 # That "amazing" was referring to the price, and not the qualities of the wood. ;) 08.22.08 # man i am in the wrong line of work :/ 08.22.11 # i know 08.22.14 # lol 08.22.16 # i could be rich 08.22.18 # crazy rich 08.22.18 # Yeah, that's what I should do. 08.22.45 # I could sell wooden knobs for 500 USD apiece! 08.22.56 # :D 08.23.13 # its like get some metal/wood look up some words in a thesaurus, and boom instant riches 08.23.24 # yep 08.23.30 # nah i'd undercut them, sell them for like 450 :P 08.23.34 # lol 08.24.04 # you're generous 08.24.28 # yeah guess i;d suck at business :( 08.27.14 # http://www.mother-of-tone.com/cd.htm <-- they get nyquist theorum wrong 08.31.42 *** Alert Mode OFF 08.36.13 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 08.36.17 # hello 08.37.46 # yo 08.38.19 # hi 08.38.39 # any ideas what the improvements are in todays h300 build? 08.39.30 # look at the changelog 08.39.31 # Don't seem to be. 08.41.40 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.47.32 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 08.47.32 DBUG Enqueued KICK CBM-away 08.52.13 # I'm sure there'll be announcement when sound is working 08.53.54 # Okay, with that page DreamTactix291, that you linked... is the kind somewhat thick. I mean, I know very little about sound, but I see where both the "Pulse" and "Modulation" in PCM come in, when he says neither are there... 09.00.36 Quit Acksaw () 09.03.39 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-60-229-178-125.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 09.04.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.06.16 # In rockbox, or the iriver port in particular, what ways of music searching are there (eg, Directory, Shuffle etc) 09.08.08 # ...........? 09.08.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD5BB6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.09.17 # Music *searching?* 09.09.20 # Like, what do you mean? 09.09.27 # Shuffle is hardly a search... 09.11.55 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 09.11.55 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD5BB6.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.14.17 # yeah, i didnt know what word to use 09.14.25 # you know what i mean though 09.15.16 # is it possible to shuffle songs from two folders back including subfolders. Eg, i have a root -> artists -> albums -> songs setup. On rockbox am i able to shuffle all songs by an artist? 09.17.11 Quit Membrillo () 09.17.14 # If you go into that artist's folder, and choose Create Playlist in the menu, then it'll create one for all songs by that artist 09.17.26 # Then, if you play it with shuffle enabled, it'll shuffle all of them 09.17.45 # Everything is playlist based, but it's pretty easy to add folders, or nested sets of folders, etc, to a playlist to get the functionality you like 09.18.51 Join moda|lap [0] (n=subatomi@CPE-138-130-209-123.qld.bigpond.net.au) 09.19.01 # For playing subfolders (shuffled or not) it's not necessary to create an on-disk playlist first 09.19.07 # does the latest build for h300 play audio? 09.19.19 # ...using rockbox' dynamic playlist features 09.19.41 # True... Was just thinking how I habitually do it.. =/ 09.20.04 # moda|lap: The changelog is on the front page. 09.20.53 # It works exactly as I described here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1938.msg13053#msg13053 Only difference is that you would place the cursor at the desired artist folder 09.21.07 # ok, so im guessing no audio playback yet.. 09.23.15 # It may be a little while yet. 09.23.43 # I'm sure it'll be pretty widely announced (or at least on the front page at Misticaudio) when it happens 09.28.39 Quit moda|lap () 09.49.41 Join Soul-E [0] (n=faccess@cpe-65-27-246-163.cinci.res.rr.com) 09.49.54 # just a question. What is the possibility of reading doc or pdfs on rbx 09.50.15 # hey markun wake up! 09.52.25 # I'd guess Doc is pretty unlikely 09.52.42 # Seeing as word processors even have trouble keeping doc compatibility 09.52.57 # As for PDF, if you can find someone to do it. :-P 09.55.50 # i see 10.00.35 Join Mxm`Pas`Bien [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 10.00.35 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.09.12 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68a [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 10.25.10 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 10.26.12 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 10.30.14 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 10.30.18 Part DJDD_ 10.34.22 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 10.34.54 # morning :) 10.35.09 # amiconn: are you here ? 10.37.55 # Jungti1234 :) 10.40.45 # hi 10.40.57 # morning 10.41.09 # mornin' 10.41.20 # I wanted to visit my family, but because of all the snow the country has come to a stand still :) 10.41.43 # markun, england? 10.41.48 # Netherlands 10.41.51 # keke 10.41.52 # ahh 10.41.58 # we are expecting snow 10.42.04 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 25 minutes and 53 seconds at the last flood 10.42.04 # * Acksaw np: System of a Down - Vicinity of Obscenity [02:54m/192Kbps/44KHz] 10.42.16 # yes 10.42.41 # Here is cold. 10.43.16 # markun: There is new font to me. 10.43.27 # Bger: I am, sort of 10.43.34 # hangul font? 10.43.37 # yes 10.43.42 # hm, how to get (read) the value of upmost byte of GPIO on iriver ? 10.43.49 # amiconn 10.43.53 # It's smart. 10.44.03 # I would prefer a unicode font with more than just hangul 10.44.06 # can you see this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#Recognizing_which_remote_is_plug 10.44.27 # hmm.. 10.44.41 # I will find it. 10.44.51 # Bger: From last night's log and the table in the wiki, it seems the bit only tells us that a remote is plugged, but not which one 10.44.52 # my questions is whether we can use this values to distinguish h100 and h300 lcd remotes 10.45.24 # However, it might be possible to tell both remotes apart by using the remote_lock bit 10.45.46 # I wonder how iriver does that... 10.45.48 # but ... 10.46.44 # I think we don't have to know which remote is connected and can detect the keys of both in the same function 10.47.27 # Unfortunately the mapping of keys->adc voltage is different for both remotes 10.48.56 # hm :( 10.48.59 # you're right 10.49.05 # there's only one bit change 10.49.13 # yup 10.49.31 # Linus added a comment to the wiki page you mentioned 10.49.41 Join mashalla [0] (n=kvirc@p5498E76F.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.49.42 # :( 10.50.04 # Bger: What are the GPIO1 values with/without the H300 remote plugged? 10.50.07 # heh, just saw the comment 10.50.19 # just a sec to check 10.50.22 # As long as both remotes don't use the same adc values (for different keys) there is no problem, is there? 10.50.35 # They do 10.51.11 # E.g. 0x7F is REC on the H100 remote, but Play/Pause on the H300 remote 10.51.29 # hm, amiconn\ 10.51.38 # no change afaics 10.51.40 # :( 10.51.44 # Okay. 10.52.05 # you mean GPIO1_READ, don't you ? 10.52.12 # yes 10.52.34 # What value? 10.52.34 # hm, i lied 10.53.07 # with remote GPIO1_READ is 068(A/B)(6/7)674 10.53.10 # without 10.53.30 # 069(A/B)(6/7)674 10.53.40 # the values in the brackets are alternating all the time 10.53.45 # An the H1xx or H3xx? 10.53.53 # s/an/on 10.53.56 # h340 with h300 remote 10.54.05 # lcd or non lcd? 10.54.13 # LCD of course 10.54.34 # I wonder whether the H300 non-lcd remote is agian different... 10.54.46 # amiconn i can check ... but not now 10.55.03 # i have one (i got the intl version and it comes with non-lcd remote) 10.55.08 # but i'm not at home ... 10.55.25 # * amiconn should really get such a beast 10.55.44 # and i don't know when i'll go home .. :) 10.56.50 Quit Acksaw () 10.58.10 # heh the diff between the 2 GPIO1_READs is 1 bit again 10.58.35 # i suppose this doesn't help us in any way 11.00.30 Quit Soul-E (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.00.37 # anyway... 11.01.23 # which will be better : to distinguish remotes runtime (when/if we find out how to do it) or to select them compiletime ? 11.01.55 # Bger: The interesting part is that you say digit 4 is alternating between A and B all the time 11.02.10 # Does it look somewhat regular? 11.02.24 # i don't think so :( 11.02.43 # at least it isn't obvious 11.04.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.06.01 # the only thing i can say is that A/B is alternating a way more often than 6/7 11.06.50 # sometimes it's ~Hz ... sometimes at least 3Hz 11.07.05 # hmm 11.07.05 # s/~Hz/~1Hz 11.09.08 # what are these pins for? 11.09.39 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 11.11.09 # Bger: The known port bits are documented here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PortPinAssignments 11.11.20 # 12 and 16 11.11.34 # I though that I found a possible method, but it tured out that I just confused something 11.12.43 # what does "SCL" mean ? 11.24.20 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-139-168-220-233.sa.bigpond.net.au) 11.25.37 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 11.27.20 Join webguest07 [0] (n=d5654733@labb.contactor.se) 11.27.40 # how is the h3xx port going? 11.28.06 # so-so :0 11.28.39 # ? 11.28.59 # do you have rockbox on your h3x0 ? (i suppose you have a h3x0) 11.29.43 # yep :D 11.29.57 # then ... do you have non-lcd remote ? 11.30.05 # nope:( 11.30.15 # okay, never mind :) 11.30.16 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.30.45 # i read thet linus now can listen to music on his h3x0 :D 11.30.58 # when will we have this feature? 11.31.10 # there's obvious hardware diff between the h300 and h100 LCD remotes ... and as amiconn noted it'll be interesting to see how the h300 non-lcd remote behaves 11.31.31 # webguest07: linus had sound on his h320 .... 11.31.32 # aaaha:D 11.31.32 Join Raskolnikov [0] (n=rodja@host-84-222-95-133.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 11.31.33 # i have a non lcd remote 11.31.38 # hi all 11.31.42 # Zak1392 11.32.00 # can you go to the menu -> info -> debug (keep out) -> View I/O Ports 11.32.09 # why? 11.32.13 # but i read that he listened to aerosmith 11.32.15 # and see what changes when you press the buttons on the remote 11.33.49 # if you check that, please, write the values that change here or (preferably) on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverH3XXHardwareComponents#H300_Responses_from_iRiver_remot 11.34.16 # gotta go, see u in the evening 11.37.28 Quit webguest07 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.43.08 # the only changes i see are that at number 2nd to the right from the gp101_read line changes from a 7 to a 3 when i press the play/pause button 11.43.18 # the aother buttons don't do anything 11.48.41 # *gpi01 11.48.55 # does it help? 11.55.15 # let me rephrase: the numbernest to GPI01_READ changes from 069A6674 to 069A6634 (although A changes to B and back a lot and the 2nd 6 sometimes changes to a 7) 11.55.27 # *number next 11.55.46 # - when i press play/pause 11.56.02 # * Zak1392 slaps Zak1392 around a bit with a large trout 11.56.59 # GPIO_READ cahnges from D81BFAA8 to 981BFAA8 when i plug in the remote too 11.57.47 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 12.07.45 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-60-229-178-125.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 12.08.55 # can someone explain to me rockbox's "Dynamic Playlist Features" 12.09.59 # no? 12.11.35 # where's that? 12.12.03 # I was reading the IRC logs, wait a sec ill find it again 12.12.22 # someone was talking aboutit 12.12.33 Quit Bger (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.13.47 # For playing subfolders (shuffled or not) it's not necessary to create an on-disk playlist first 12.13.48 # ...using rockbox' dynamic playlist features 12.14.37 # ? how do the rockbox playlists work without saving it on disk? 12.16.12 # If you checked the log... just a few lines further I provided a link into a forum thread 12.16.22 # ah 12.16.39 # i shall read on 12.16.59 # danka 12.21.09 # amiconn: whats 'Recursively Insert Directories' do? 12.23.11 # It means that when you add a directory to the current playlist, it will recursively add the contents of all the sub-directories as well. 12.24.50 # ah, genious. Thats the option I want. So, when you create playlists like that, where would it save them. Is it possible to make temporary playlists? for example, deleting them on player turn off? because i wouldnt listen to a playlist more than once and having to search for them and delete them everytime i create one would suck 12.25.34 # On-the-fly (dynamic) playlists aren't saved as .m3u 12.25.59 # ah, how are they saved? 12.26.34 # They are created in memory, and the steps to create them (not the playlist itself!) are stored in a special file 12.26.48 # .rockbox/.playlist_control 12.27.07 # This file gets overwritten when you create another playlist 12.28.23 # You don't have to worry about rockbox cluttering your drive with playlists 12.28.24 # Wow, thats clever! so you couldnt have multiple OTF playlists then? 12.28.40 # There is an option to save the current dynamic playlist to a file if you want to. 12.28.44 # not that i would need them actually, but theoretically? 12.28.47 # You can save a playlist as a regular .m3u 12.29.32 # super. ^^^ what about having multiple OTF playlists? 12.31.47 # Do you mean having multiple ".playlist_control" type files? 12.32.20 # You can, using rockbox' bookmark feature 12.32.46 # oh ok 12.32.50 # nice 12.32.57 # you guys have thought of everything 12.33.57 Nick Lear is now known as Lear_away (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 12.35.02 # methinks there should be a link to the bootloader page on the front page in the left frame. Its always so hard to find it 12.43.25 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-140-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.44.31 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 12.56.06 # Hmm. It seems audio playback in the x11 simulator is broken. I only get static, both under cygwin and debian. Win32 works both natively and under wine. 12.56.57 # GCC can now partition functions in sections of hot and cold code. This can significantly improve performance due to better instruction cache locality. 12.57.03 # someone test gcc 4.1, please :) 12.57.26 # I refuse to do so as long as the gcc team prefers to ignore bug reports :( 12.57.52 # s/ignore bug reports/pretend a bug isn't a bug/ 12.58.01 # i think this change might matter quite a bit for coldfire 12.58.07 # if it works well 12.58.23 # nah, they're probably just ignoring it 12.58.34 # they need a lot of prodding to accept one 12.59.58 Join webguest31 [0] (n=414a01a1@labb.contactor.se) 12.59.59 # url to the bug again? 13.00.43 # http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24863 13.00.44 # is crossfade automatically enabled if shuffle is selected ?, cant find the info in the manual 13.01.27 # of course it's not 13.01.35 # you always have to enable it yourself 13.01.38 # anyone bought a t-dimension skin for there h300? 13.01.51 # There is an option for this. Set 'Enable Crossfade' to 'Suffle' 13.02.24 # That means it will be active when Shuffle is selected, otherwise disabled 13.02.56 # oh, you need to prod them more 13.03.00 # they'll never answer that now 13.04.01 # * webguest31 prods spmepne with a blunt instrument 13.04.39 # sorry about my prodding, I have major lag here, dont know why 13.04.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.14 # thanks amiconn, 13.05.38 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.05.52 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.06.57 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s208a.studby.ntnu.no) 13.07.01 Part webguest31 13.12.59 Nick Lear_away is now known as Lear (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 13.17.35 # preglow: Strange... Tried that floor0 file again now, and it worked just fine. 13.22.45 Quit mashalla (Remote closed the connection) 13.26.45 Quit Zak1392 () 13.27.18 # preglow, linuxstb: what are you working on for the ipod port? 13.28.37 # markun: exception and startup code, but not right now 13.29.14 # maybe I couls start on some code for the DAC next week 13.29.35 # hmm.. 13.30.07 # The P2P speed is slow. 13.30.52 # with the rockbox bootloaders in generalities, how much is it editing the original firmware and how much is it sticking in your code fresh 13.31.47 # we never edit the original firmware 13.32.17 # the only thing we do is modify the entrance point and add our bootloader to an unused section 13.32.23 # entry point, yes 13.33.22 # oh ok, sweet. So you have a bit of code at the very start of the firmware which says load rockbox from here before you load this. Or is it a bit more complex than that 13.33.35 # we just jump to our bootloader straight away 13.33.43 # the branching is done from within that again 13.34.03 # fair enough 13.34.18 # so what are the main problems in writing a bootloader? what makes it tricky 13.34.48 # that you brick the player if you make a mistake? 13.41.42 Quit Raskolnikov () 13.51.32 Quit Membrillo () 13.53.43 # markun: I'm working on the i2c code at the moment. We need that to communicate with the DAC, which is what I am probably going to look at next as well. 13.54.42 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.00.27 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye Bye~ http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 14.03.51 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 14.04.04 # markun, did you see mail that I send? 14.04.25 # yes, shall I send you a .lng? 14.04.48 # yes 14.05.07 # And 14.05.17 # I want to send 2 bdf files. 14.05.50 # Convert it to fnt file. 14.06.04 # And send to me again. 14.06.31 # ok? 14.09.02 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 14.14.00 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.16.46 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 14.16.52 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.18.30 # markun? 14.30.33 Join mashalla [0] (n=david@p5498E76F.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.36.00 # Jungti1234: ok 14.36.09 # -_-; 14.36.25 # Did you understand? 14.37.03 # yes, send them to me 14.37.31 # ok, wait 14.38.07 # Did you send .lng to me? 14.41.35 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.42.05 # linuxstb: What target are you doing that i2c stuff for? 14.42.06 # not yet. I was busy 14.42.13 # aliask: ipod 14.42.33 # Thought so. 14.42.42 # I'm loving rockbox so much 14.42.52 # Pity I can't listen to music on it yet on my H300 :( 14.43.31 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.45.54 # Jungti1234: file sent 14.49.45 # markun: I sent file, too. 14.50.01 # ah 14.50.09 # Is sending. 14.52.49 Quit mashalla (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.53.26 # markun, Receive. 14.58.24 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 15.03.27 # why are you sending gulim again? 15.04.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.06.19 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de23559.alshamil.net.ae) 15.07.47 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 15.08.42 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 15.09.52 Quit Nixsos () 15.12.00 # Hell yeah. 15.12.00 # * Acksaw np: Metallica - Master of puppets [08:54m/192Kbps/44KHz] 15.15.44 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 15.16.17 # Jungti1234: Does the korean iriver firmware display the menus in korean, or in english? 15.16.32 # english. 15.17.39 # iRiver doesn't change it to Korean. 15.18.13 # Hmm. 15.18.18 # * amiconn wonders why 15.18.49 # So all iriver firmware versions display their menus in english 15.19.09 # no 15.19.22 Join Benacool [0] (i=Benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 15.19.31 # IFP's firmware is Korean. 15.20.01 # Ah ok 15.20.18 # I mean all iriver H1x0 and H3x0 firmwares 15.20.23 # ah.. 15.20.24 # yes 15.20.36 # This is even worse than the original firmware of the old archos devices 15.20.47 # haha 15.21.07 # The old archos firmware supported 3 languages 15.21.13 # english, french and german 15.21.24 # Rockbox supports much more 15.21.30 # yes 15.21.41 # I hope that we get unicode support into cvs soon 15.21.45 # :) 15.21.52 # me too 15.21.58 # (needs some preparations for archos first - size problems) 15.22.11 # amiconn: did you try the patch from my webserver? 15.22.13 # The rockbox can support korean, japanese, chinese... 15.22.22 # *Then 15.22.31 # markun: I tried yesterday 15.22.38 # Didn't you receive my comment? 15.22.57 # no, didn't see them 15.23.12 # 800 bytes too much on recorder v1 :( 15.23.15 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.24.09 # amiconn: do you want to look into making the rockbox image self extracting? 15.24.40 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45308.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.26.16 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.26.53 # thanks markun 15.28.53 # Off to never never land. 15.29.13 # What is its version? 15.29.21 Quit Kohlrabi ("Leaving") 15.30.02 # my opinion is that a self extracting image is the only way to go. 15.30.23 # now or in feature the same problem will be present for players. 15.30.35 # so why don't give it a go? 15.32.32 # hmm..Why does my H100 get into panic state? 15.33.39 # When it did ON for a long time, get into panic. 15.35.11 Quit DMJC ("Leaving") 15.35.45 # This message sees. 15.35.46 # *PANIC* 15.35.46 # Stkov remotescrol 15.35.46 DBUG Enqueued KICK Jungti1234 15.35.46 # 1 15.37.04 # <_FireFly_> hmm stackoverflow in remotescroll 15.37.35 # what have you done to make this message appear ? 15.37.52 # i have a h100 remote too< 15.38.05 # For a long time, H100 did ON. 15.38.23 # I don't have remote control. 15.38.57 # <_FireFly_> this shouldn't happen if no remote is connected afiak 15.39.03 # <_FireFly_> afaik 15.39.12 # anyone used any of the Eli_Sherars's rocks? 15.39.33 # afaik? 15.39.44 # As far as i know 15.39.53 # -_-; 15.39.59 # me 15.40.12 # Such word is hard translation. 15.40.14 # acksaw: me i have them 15.40.34 # yeh there cool 15.40.39 # the paint is a bit crappy 15.40.42 # but bejeweled is ace 15.40.46 # early stage ;-) 15.40.49 # yea! 15.40.54 # are you eli? 15.40.56 # i play it now lol 15.41.02 # same hre 15.41.04 # me ? no 15.41.08 # i just died on 98 =] 15.42.27 # but it's a little bit lagy for now 15.42.37 # yeh 15.42.50 # i think the buttons need switching 15.42.53 # to change blocks around 15.42.55 # i think on 15.43.00 # so you can play with two hands 15.43.09 # or both 15.43.12 # like navi and on 15.43.29 # (used to playing tetris that way) 15.44.10 # yea 15.44.22 # woo 15.44.23 # level 2 15.44.26 # you can suggest him on MR 15.45.12 # hmm.. markun 15.47.15 Join DMJC-L [0] (n=DMJC-L@60-240-212-35.tpgi.com.au) 15.49.00 # level 3 15.49.23 # i was at 97 of level one and i got stck -_- 15.49.27 # stuck* 15.49.33 # same here 15.49.36 # on 98 though 15.49.38 # this is my seocnd go 15.51.19 Join babysimon [0] (n=babysimo@macmullen.plus.com) 15.52.33 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-239.VIC.netspace.net.au) 15.52.51 # Is it just me, or is there a key-binding missing on the iRiver remote? 15.53.15 # When I hold down menu on the main unit I get a context menu. 15.53.15 # wouldn't surprise me 15.53.25 # But that dioesn't happen on the remote. 15.53.30 # <_FireFly_> babysimon: long press play 15.53.39 # Aha! 15.53.43 # Thank you. 15.54.06 # Any reason why it's the other way round? 15.54.08 # <_FireFly_> btw the main has no button menu 15.54.15 # <_FireFly_> it's the select button ;) 15.55.03 # <_FireFly_> i mean no button named menu 15.55.12 # level 4 =] 15.55.49 # Well, thanks. I'm happy now :) 15.56.00 Part babysimon ("Leaving") 16.01.26 # level 5!! 16.02.43 # aww 16.02.46 # no more moves 16.03.36 Join Philip [0] (n=Philip_0@user-4195.lns1-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk) 16.06.27 # <_FireFly_>: to enter the context menu it's supposed to hold pressing the NAVI button but on the remote it's assigned to the play button... a little fix to do imagine 16.06.39 # I imagine* 16.06.58 # (H100 remote) 16.07.23 # hey phillip 16.07.31 # hello 16.07.40 # have you got the eli sherars plugins? 16.08.02 # i've tried rockpaint and just downloaded bejeweled 16.08.05 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.08.11 # have not tried it yet 16.08.12 # bejewled rawks 16.08.59 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye Bye~ http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 16.09.01 # i'll give it a go once this song finishes... 16.10.30 # i got to level 5 16.13.56 Join eli_sherer [0] (n=eli@IGLD-84-228-52-31.inter.net.il) 16.14.29 # how do i print_screen into an unsigned short array... 16.14.55 # hey eli 16.15.01 # bejeweled rocks 16.15.05 # thanks... 16.15.13 # i few suggestions if i may? 16.15.22 # you may...:) 16.15.35 # change the colour of the like blue diamonds 16.15.43 # there hard to see against the rockbox blue background 16.15.46 # <_FireFly_> like ?? 16.16.01 # and make the play button do the same as the navi 16.16.07 # <_FireFly_> i think do you mean lite 16.16.08 # as its easier press for some 16.16.17 # yeh lite * 16.16.18 # the colors i made were just to show that colors can be done... 16.16.26 # it was a quick release 16.16.26 # i see 16.17.02 # i really need to know hoe to getpixels from the lcd screen 16.19.50 # it is soo adactive ;p 16.27.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 16.29.22 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.29.27 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 16.31.32 # arn't you meant to be able to score diagonally?? 16.32.25 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 16.32.31 # no 16.32.55 # markun 16.33.11 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.40.05 # i am making a menu right now... 16.44.36 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye Bye~ http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 16.46.09 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.59.17 # the background colour sometimes changes... is this meant to happen?? 16.59.54 # what do you mean? 17.00.23 # oh...that's because i change the drawing color...and don't change it back to black...hehe 17.00.38 # i'll fix it when im done with RockPaint's Menu 17.00.45 # cool 17.01.06 Quit aliask (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.04.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.09.42 # *sigh* I must be stupid, my simulator doesn't display anything useful, just a big blank green screen with the battery, volume, stop and repeat icons. 17.11.07 # you have to put music 17.11.13 # in the archos dir 17.11.20 # ah hah! insert gets me into the config menu! 17.15.18 # NicoFR: ok, yesterday I didn't have luck getting my own zip build to run on my H300, it would fail to boot at a message like I40:DIR1FULL I think, but using the daily build worked, and rockbox appears to work in the simulator... 17.15.18 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.23.47 # i've repaired bejeweled 17.30.57 # amiconn: the arabic joining table is about 1k big. Could you disable arabic joining to see if rockbox builds for recorder v1? 17.31.01 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.33.08 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0b6.b.pppool.de) 17.34.13 # jo 17.44.32 Join BBub [0] (i=belzebub@dslb-084-059-215-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.44.55 # hey, can anyone tell me where the pcm recording menu on the h110 has gone? 17.44.59 # i cant find it anymore 17.47.50 # all: I FORGOT TO LCD_UPDATE (*$#&%#@!!!) 17.48.38 # BBub: it's in the main menu? 17.48.54 # BBub: right under 'fm radio' 17.50.30 # the recording menu is under fm radio? 17.50.37 # well, it is here 17.50.50 # for me it starts the radio then 17.50.53 # and thats it :) 17.50.54 # well 17.50.55 # UNDER 17.50.56 # not in 17.50.56 Quit NicoFR () 17.51.10 # there i have playlist options 17.51.20 # is this a new build? 17.51.23 # yes 17.51.37 # i downloaded the latest a minute ago 17.52.13 # maybe its just the h110 build? 17.52.29 # Eli 17.52.39 # edit your original post and add bejeweled 17.53.13 # BBub: well, i see why it doesn't work, recording cap isn't defined for h110 build 17.53.24 # BBub: and i think it must be for some reason 17.53.34 # hmm, it always worked before 17.53.35 # weird 17.53.45 # when it was in the debug menu? 17.53.50 # yes 17.53.58 # well, it's different now 17.54.03 # i have no idea why it's commented out 17.54.56 # could you tell me where to change that so i could try compiling it myself? 17.54.56 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 17.55.11 # it's in firmware/export/config-h100.h 17.55.19 # thx 17.55.23 # search for HAVE_RECORDING and remove the comment signs around it 17.55.41 # if it works, tell me 17.57.06 # acksaw: already did the post editing... 18.03.44 # nice one 18.03.46 # im off 18.03.47 # bye 18.03.53 Quit Acksaw () 18.04.14 Join skorpyon [0] (n=skorpyon@i216-58-43-139.cybersurf.com) 18.04.33 # hello? 18.11.23 Join willows_mine [0] (n=a@82-34-43-172.cable.ubr01.chel.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.11.28 # hey guys.... 18.11.43 # anyone in here know a bit about the iriver h140? 18.11.58 # or an irc chat room I can go to get help troubleshooting? 18.13.42 # rockbox or stock firmware? 18.13.52 # might try irc.zuh.net #misticriver for stock firmware help 18.21.38 Quit willows_mine () 18.21.57 # preglow: what is that quality setting? deos it have an effect on the h110? 18.24.10 # but it works perfectly on the h110 :) 18.24.57 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 18.28.55 # does the rockbox split the files at 2 gb? 18.28.59 # -the 18.29.27 # yeah 18.29.34 # quality setting, don't know 18.29.37 # haven't used recording much 18.29.40 # but it records just fine 18.29.42 # ? 18.30.38 # I doze. 18.36.37 # i have a new site for my projects: http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ 18.36.57 # oh 18.37.05 # Very interesting . 18.39.07 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-139-87.dsl.pipex.com) 18.43.12 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-67-188-108-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 18.46.56 Quit Benacool (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.47.43 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.50.54 # hey eli_sherer 18.52.36 # preglow: yep, i recorded about 40 mb 18.52.42 # had no glitches or whatsoever 18.52.57 # good night all 18.53.19 Quit Jungti1234 ("Bye~ - http://cafe.naver.com/iriverh300") 18.54.19 # hello 18.54.32 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 18.59.15 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 18.59.41 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 18.59.41 # * Jungti1234 askl 19.00.06 # ow 19.04.32 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-140-250.bna.bellsouth.net) 19.05.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.06.27 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.07.51 Quit t0mas (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh") 19.08.35 Join Moos [0] (n=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 19.12.38 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-140-002.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.13.05 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 19.22.04 Part tim66 19.24.23 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 19.25.46 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 19.27.19 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 19.28.56 # amiconn: if rockbox.archos is put in .rockbox and ajbrec.ajz is replaced by a small bootloader I think not many people will notice the difference. 19.29.41 Join honki [0] (n=ben@p54B830D7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.32.55 # afaik it cannot be too little, otherwise the archos fw will refuse to load it 19.34.03 # Bger: we can bad it with 0's :) 19.34.07 # pad 19.34.45 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-45-166.bb.netvision.net.il) 19.35.38 # yeah :) that's the most little problem 19.37.59 Quit Philip ("bye everybody") 19.42.23 Quit Nibbler ("life is like a rental car, you fuck it up, and give it back.") 19.45.50 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.46.04 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 19.47.03 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.47.12 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 19.48.44 # finally i managed to make sub-menues 19.51.23 Join ansivirus [0] (n=ansiviru@ppp-69-148-76-131.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.52.58 # H300: you can find the new version on my site... 19.54.13 Quit eli_sherer () 19.55.32 Quit hardeep (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 19.57.50 # * markun prods Bagder 19.59.35 Quit honki (Remote closed the connection) 20.00.27 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94ab6.pool.mediaWays.net) 20.02.59 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0a2.b.pppool.de) 20.07.21 # bejeweled in color? awesome! 20.10.10 # muesli_-: huh? 20.10.25 # sorry...was ripped out of context ;) 20.10.33 # i have a new site for my projects: http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ 20.10.37 # just seen that 20.10.55 # from a previous visit..and thought it was right now 20.11.09 # and source ? 20.11.53 # source? 20.12.28 # yes, source of this color bejeweled 20.12.48 # dunno... i did not code it 20.13.37 # makes me want a h3x0 now 20.13.37 # hehe 20.14.24 # its a pitty that he didnt leave any pix of it 20.14.39 Quit hshah_ ("Leaving") 20.15.47 # hehe 20.16.20 # hm ... if i turn on the backlight with backlight_on() (from plugin), will it turn off after the time set in settings 20.16.21 Join Raskolnikov [0] (n=rodja@host-84-222-95-133.cust-adsl.tiscali.it) 20.16.25 # hi all 20.16.32 # greetings 20.17.57 # there was a page with additional fonts for rbx...any idea? 20.17.57 Quit mofoGX () 20.18.08 # Bagder ? 20.18.18 # wasnt that you who told about that?= 20.18.46 # rasher.dk/rockbox iirc 20.19.27 # muesli_-: yep, http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ 20.20.24 # cheers Bger 20.20.31 # np 20.21.04 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 20.21.59 # ok, isn't better to have defines like BACKLIGHT_ON in firmware/export/backlight.h and not in firmware/backlight.c / 20.22.00 # ? 20.23.46 # i think in the header is better too 20.26.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 20.27.37 # Bger: The BACKLIGHT_ON etc defines are local to backlight.c - they are not meant to be used by other parts of Rockbox. 20.29.18 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.29.41 Join akaidiot [0] (n=nope@c-f744e255.363-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 20.33.35 # linuxstb: heh 20.34.23 # What do you want to do? 20.34.30 # then see plugins/fire.c 20.35.15 # greyscale.c ... 20.35.33 # rb->backlight_set_timeout(1);/* keep the light on */ 20.35.55 # starfield ... 20.35.59 # Yes. What's the problem? 20.36.02 # video.c 20.36.28 # it obviously is not used only local in backlight.c 20.36.55 # I can't find BACKLIGHT_ON used in any of those files. 20.37.05 # it's not 20.37.09 # but ... 20.37.22 # in backlight.c : 20.37.23 # #define BACKLIGHT_ON 1 20.37.50 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 20.37.53 # hey 20.37.55 # Eli here? 20.38.10 # linuxstb i mean it's used indirectly 20.38.23 # Is eli sherar here? 20.38.37 # [20:54:15] * eli_sherer (n=eli@IGLD-84-228-52-31.inter.net.il) Quit 20.38.45 # ahh 20.38.49 # 21:38 now 20.38.54 # damn. 20.38.58 # trust my luck.. 20.39.07 # hehe 20.39.14 # Of course - that's the point. It's not intended to be used directly. 20.39.21 # but ... 20.39.28 # many plugins use it 20.39.34 # and i want to use it too 20.39.42 # so, whats the conversation about then? 20.39.52 # it'll be very valuable on color LCD platforms ... 20.41.02 # anyway, even if it's not intended to be used directly, it *is* already 20.41.59 # I'm sorry, I don't understand. No file apart from backlight.c uses BACKLIGHT_ON - which is why it is defined in backlight.c 20.42.09 # in apps/plugins/ demistify, fire, grayscale.c, plasma, 20.42.21 # linuxstb: yeah, but BACKLIGHT_ON's value is 1 20.42.36 # and all these plugins i mentioned use rb->backlight_set_timeout(1);/* keep the light on */ 20.43.54 # do you guys think it will be possible to turn the backlight off and still be able see the screen on the h300? 20.44.07 # like modern mobile phones 20.44.13 # Acksaw: no way 20.44.19 # didnt think so 20.44.27 # the screen isn't turned off 20.44.30 # only the backlight 20.44.34 # afaik 20.44.39 # ahh 20.44.46 # the backlight is the screen, yes? 20.44.49 # so if you don't see it... 20.45.03 # no, the backlight is the light source under the LCD matrix 20.45.09 # as you cant see the screen at all with the backlight off 20.45.16 # ahh i understand 20.46.03 # The 1 passed to backlight_set_timeout is the setting for the timeout - it is only a co-incidence that BACKLIGHT_ON is also 1. 20.46.23 # hm, maybe you're right ... 20.47.03 # oh, yes, u're right 20.47.06 # sorry 20.47.20 # it's used in the event queue 20.48.59 Part linuxstb_ 20.49.24 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 20.49.38 Quit NicoFR () 20.49.44 # no problem. 20.49.49 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.49.49 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.50.03 # * Bger must stop talking bullsh...s :) 20.52.02 Quit Raskolnikov () 20.52.28 Quit Mxm`Pas`Bien (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.52.30 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 20.57.01 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.01.39 Join ModernExecutive [0] (n=bob@71-8-193-137.dhcp.stls.mo.charter.com) 21.01.41 # hi 21.02.24 # anything new w/the h300 fw? 21.02.30 # ME, 21.02.41 # check the daily builds for updates... 21.02.53 # it is updated daily 21.03.00 # go to the chanelog for the changes 21.05.03 # sorry to be a bother 21.05.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.06.39 Quit ModernExecutive () 21.16.26 Join eli_sherer [0] (n=eli@IGLD-84-228-52-31.inter.net.il) 21.18.24 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 21.18.24 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.19.20 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.20.00 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.20.06 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 21.20.10 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.24.49 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 21.26.11 Join Philip [0] (n=Miranda@user-4195.lns1-c10.dsl.pol.co.uk) 21.31.32 # eli_sherer: I have a few minor comments about your rockpaint plugin if you're interested. (which looks very nice btw). 21.33.06 # yeh i have a few things to say about bejeweled again =] 21.33.13 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.42.15 # FIrstly, are you aware of rb->lcd_framebuffer - this is the framebuffer used by the lcd driver. This array gives you access to what's on the screen. 21.42.33 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-27.dynamic.qsc.de) 21.42.34 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.43.57 Join len0x [0] (i=user@du213-130-141-19.as15444.net) 21.44.05 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.44.39 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.00 Part len0x 21.50.52 # linux-stb: i have bug there,,, i know 21.50.54 # linuxstb_: should we use that directly? 21.51.09 # i can't use it directly 21.51.14 # would make it pretty target specific... 21.51.34 # it's a private variable i cant access it so i made one of my own 21.51.50 # i managed to make sokoban and solitaire work in color!!! 21.52.09 # woot 21.52.17 # make colour cards :P 21.53.23 Join webguest43 [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 21.54.04 # preglow: I agree using lcd_framebuffer would make the plugin target (or at least lcd) specific, but it _is_ in the plugin interface. 21.54.16 # sure looks like it 21.54.33 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.54.47 Nick webguest43 is now known as linuxstb__ (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 21.55.19 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 21.55.24 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.55.24 DBUG Enqueued KICK CheeseBurgerMan 21.55.44 Join webguest89 [0] (n=1808adb1@labb.contactor.se) 21.55.52 # why no wma on rockbox? 21.56.05 # because no one has codec it yet 21.56.13 # coded 21.56.24 # but it's going to happen sooner or later? 21.56.31 # yes, i'd guess so 21.56.35 # cool 21.56.43 # tx 21.56.57 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 21.57.16 # eli_sherer: Why do you think lcd_framebuffer is a private variable? It's in the public plugin API struct. Have I missed something? 21.58.01 # i tried approaching it and the compiler returned error as if i didn't declared it 21.58.15 # Did you use rb->lcd_framebuffer ? 21.58.27 # as well as "drawmode" which isn't public so as "lcd_framebuffer" 21.58.58 # %) 21.59.08 # maybe i didn't :) 21.59.37 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.59.37 DBUG Enqueued KICK CBM-away 21.59.47 # What do you need to use it for though? I agree with preglow that it is best to avoid using it if possible. 22.00.15 # i.e. add functions to the lcd driver instead. 22.00.25 # to get pixels from the screen (like to save a file or to printscreen in oreder to show a window) 22.00.29 # wli 22.00.31 # eli* 22.00.37 # nice to hear you got sokoban etc working" 22.00.40 # great stuff! 22.00.53 # in a sec it will be on my site 22.01.27 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.28 # perfect! 22.01.30 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-065.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.01.43 # That was going to be another of my comments. IMO, it would be better to use the built-in Rockbox menu system, rather than your own menu. 22.01.54 # eli 22.02.04 # any chance you could make the bejewled screen longer? 22.02.06 # my own is nicer! 22.02.14 # doesnt fill the scree 22.02.34 # acksaw: it can be only larger and i don't want to mess with something i didn't built 22.02.45 # ahh 22.02.45 # ok 22.02.47 # eli_sherer: Maybe. But to be consistent you should use the built-in menus. I'm sure those will be improved in the future. 22.03.03 Quit tim66 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.03.10 # what are these menus? 22.03.11 # when theyl do i change them...it isn't so complexed to do 22.03.37 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 22.03.39 # it what makes my programs unique 22.03.57 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 22.04.10 # where are they? 22.04.15 # woo 22.04.15 # the new colored games are up 22.04.17 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 22.04.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK CheeseBurgerMan 22.04.17 *** Alert Mode level 1 22.04.21 # im download them 22.04.26 # just saw em just before you said =] 22.04.46 Join Rincewind [0] (i=Miranda@A3794.a.pppool.de) 22.05.16 # with sokoban 22.05.23 # do i just overwrite the old one? 22.06.15 # i still think a uniform interface is nice 22.06.26 # but not something i'll argue about, no 22.06.31 # eli? 22.06.44 # ill do it... 22.06.47 # you can... 22.07.00 # ... 22.07.03 # i just did it 22.07.15 # in the case of sokoban and solitaire i made the changes so it doesn't affect other players only h300s 22.07.18 # if i need the old one im sure i can get it 22.07.36 # eli_sherer: Don't forget that if you are distributing GPL software (the plugins you have added color to), you are required to make the source available. 22.07.39 # ill test them now... 22.07.54 # preglow? 22.07.57 # are you around? 22.08.04 # yeah, for a few minutes more 22.08.07 # thats good make the source availble though 22.08.14 # means it may be integrated into rockbox 22.08.16 # linuxstb: damn'it your right... 22.08.25 # mind if I have some questions in privmsg? 22.08.30 # sure, just be quick 22.08.32 # tesitng soko... 22.08.35 # nice! 22.08.49 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 22.08.51 # if only the screen size could be changed 22.09.01 # eli_sherer: yes, source please :) 22.09.27 # i was just looking at updating the bejewled grpahics myself and saw that you already done that. 22.09.38 # can anyone get past level 3 on sokoban? 22.11.08 # i cant do it :( 22.12.37 # the colours are a bit dodgy on it too 22.12.41 # orange doesnt look brilliant 22.12.45 # eli_sherer: Going back to your rockpaint, the Rockbox coding style is: 1) Unix end-of-line characters, 2) No TABS (indent by four spaces) and 3) /* these kinds of comments */ 22.14.08 Ctcp Ignored 3 channel CTCP requests in 8 minutes and 53 seconds at the last flood 22.14.08 # * ender` wonders what's wrong with tabs 22.14.18 *** Alert Mode OFF 22.14.58 # It's not the Rockbox style. ;) 22.15.03 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc0ac.b.pppool.de) 22.15.13 # It will also display differently in different editors. 22.15.21 # that's right it's my style! ;) 22.15.45 # eli 22.15.49 # notepad don't read UNIX eof chars 22.15.51 # i think it would look better something like this 22.15.51 # http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/sokoban.jpg 22.15.56 # the point of tabs is that you're not forcing your indentation on other coders, but let everybody pick their own 22.16.07 # (you have to know how to use tabs though) 22.16.12 # and if you could do snake = http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/snake.jpg 22.17.36 # the games i work on are the games other people created...if you want new games download gameboy games... 22.17.42 # yeh 22.17.44 # im just saying 22.17.46 # for sokoban 22.17.53 # the colour are a big vibrant 22.18.04 # i think it would look better like this 22.18.05 # http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/sokoban.jpg 22.18.24 # and snake (original one) would look better like this 22.18.24 # i've seen that picture...it's pocket pc! 22.18.29 # http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/snake.jpg 22.18.34 # im not saying it isnt 22.18.41 # im on about the colours! 22.18.49 # like brown walls etc 22.19.04 # ender`: yes, and by using spaces, we don't need people to learn tabs 22.19.20 # ender`: i've read so much code that using a mad mix of spaces and tabs, that i'm completely with the rockbox rules on this one 22.19.42 # if brown walls and orange boxes instead of orange walls and brown boxes is what gonna make you happy then there is no problem 22.20.05 # i just think the colours go a bit better 22.20.08 # on the boxes... 22.20.09 # the only thing you need to know about tabs is to only use them at the start of the line, and never use more tabs than the number of them in the previous line + 1 22.20.10 # not bring 22.20.14 # not bright ornage 22.20.17 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.20.17 # a dull orange 22.20.31 # (then again, i'm not working on rockbox, so i shouldn't be complaining) 22.20.35 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.22.11 # eli - just need the walls brown and the boxes a dull orange 22.22.23 # also, you could edit snake - http://membres.lycos.fr/outssoftwares/en/wince/images/screenshots/snake.jpg 22.22.58 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.23.03 # hey kyle 22.23.47 # hey 22.24.37 # linuxstb: planning on removing the ipl logo in the bootloader? they seem to be making their own 22.26.09 # or is it more a "thanks for all the code we snitched" thing? 22.26.32 # replace vowels until it makes sense 22.27.38 # preglow: Yes, they're very advanced with their own bootloader now. 22.28.07 # Not sure about the logo, but I don't think we should call it a joint bootloader any more. 22.29.15 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc84.b.pppool.de) 22.29.16 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.30.18 # agreed 22.30.24 # i think logos in the bootloader is nice anyway 22.30.27 # looks fancy :) 22.30.37 Join webguest11 [0] (n=480ec212@labb.contactor.se) 22.30.37 Quit webguest11 (Client Quit) 22.32.38 # re 22.36.30 # eli_sherer iam looking forward to your .rocks :D 22.39.59 # ^ me too 22.40.51 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.40.58 # museli 22.41.01 # there are afew out 22.41.06 # http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ 22.41.47 # wohoo :D it has been updated...now i need a h3xx ;) 22.42.04 # rofl 22.42.11 # it's up on the web v0.33 bug fixes 22.44.48 # im of 22.44.49 # seeya 22.44.55 Quit Acksaw () 22.45.03 # good night all !!! 22.45.12 Quit eli_sherer () 22.45.39 # *.il ? which country is that? 22.45.46 Quit Kyl3 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.46.50 # muesli-: israel 22.47.03 # shalom :D 22.47.07 # :) 22.47.41 # btw RotAtoR...no more jewels from you? 22.47.44 Join reinaert [0] (n=reinaert@rhino.student.utwente.nl) 22.48.17 # yes, more from me ;) I've just been busy 22.48.36 # .++++ 22.48.47 Nick reinaert is now known as moiristo (n=reinaert@rhino.student.utwente.nl) 22.48.48 # whoo ;) although bejeweled bricked my joystick ;) 22.49.00 # I'm hoping to take a look at eli_sherer's code and do a proper update for h3xx and possible ipod 22.50.08 # hehe, yes, many future worn out joysticks will be blamed on bejeweled ;) 22.52.06 Join skorpyon_ [0] (n=skorpyon@i216-58-10-32.cybersurf.com) 22.52.46 Quit skorpyon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.53.07 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 22.54.18 Quit dpassen1 (Client Quit) 22.54.37 # markun: How do I disable arabic joining? I hope it's just some #define... 22.57.16 Join Benacool [0] (i=Benacool@modemcable035.68-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 23.00.41 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 23.01.07 # does someone know if rockbox will come out for gmini400? or is it just wishful thinking? 23.01.46 # rather a wish if you ask me 23.02.33 # takes a long time to write a bootloader..not done within short time.. 23.03.51 # ok..there were some rumours about some sources being available..that's why i'm asking 23.04.59 # it was MY opinion only...so dont count on me as a serious source cos im not a dev 23.05.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.06.26 # oh ok..well recently some programmers were able to run code on the 400, maybe you heard of the gamegear emu..but these things should speed up development i guess :) 23.07.32 # AFAIK, there is no development to speed up - no-one is working on a Rockbox port to the 400. 23.09.01 # ok..thnx for the infos 23.13.03 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp11-adsl-10.ath.forthnet.gr) 23.13.09 Nick CheeseBurgerMan is now known as CBM-away (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 23.13.09 DBUG Enqueued KICK CBM-away 23.13.48 # Xavierakles :D 23.14.16 # O hiyo! 23.15.04 # who's pita goin`? 23.15.07 # how 23.15.33 # very well I ate one for lunch! :D 23.15.51 # :) 23.15.53 # amiconn: it's not a define. 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