--- Log for 02.12.105  Server: kornbluth.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.08 #       <iobound> even better, replace step #2 with an announcement of INTENTION to port. sell, then forget about it all
00.00.09 #       <iobound> easy money
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00.04.46 #       <Dima202> hmm.. Strange my archos isn't mounting to computer
00.05.16 #       <Dima202> I see that it's detected
00.05.21 #       <Dima202> Just doesn't mount it
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00.11.52 #       <Dima202> weird
00.12.13 #       <Dima202> And the radio doesn't get any signal!! :(
00.12.53 #       <Dima202> ARCHOS USB2.0 (P4a):
00.12.53 #       <Dima202>   Version:	11.01
00.12.53 #       <Dima202>   Bus Power (mA):	500
00.12.53 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Dima202
00.12.53 #       <Dima202>   Speed:	Up to 480 Mb/sec
00.12.53 #       <Dima202>   Manufacturer:	ARCHOS
00.12.54 ***     Alert Mode level 1
00.12.54 #       <Dima202>   Product ID:	0x0060
00.12.56 #       <Dima202>   Serial Number:	wwww.archos.comA
00.12.58 #       <Dima202>   Vendor ID:	0x05ab
00.13.06 #       <Dima202> Here is the info I get, is it possible to mount it manually?
00.17.05 #       <Bagder> windows I presume?
00.18.03 #       <Dima202> Mac
00.18.10 #       <petur> windows users don't talk about mounting ;)
00.18.11 #       <Bagder> oh
00.18.22 #       <petur> they just plug and pray
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00.18.30 #       <Bagder> petur: true, but linux users would know how to mount ;-)
00.18.36 #       <Dima202> Yeah..  But right now. I see it but it doesnt auto mount
00.19.01 #       <Dima202> I used to be a linux user long ago. Until I became lazy, sat down on a mac and it did everything for me
00.19.02 #       <Dima202> :)
00.19.08 #       <Bagder> I know *zip* about mac and USB mounting
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00.19.45 #       <JdGordon> Dima202: u cant mount it as a regulas mas storage device?
00.20.08 #       <Dima202> It doesn't automount
00.20.13 #       <Dima202> How do I mount it?
00.20.24 #       <JdGordon> something like mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/archos -t auto
00.20.24 #       <Dima202> mount ....
00.20.26 #       <Dima202> heh
00.20.39 #       <JdGordon> thats for linux, i dunno bout mac
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00.21.49 #       <Dima202> Same thing, almost
00.21.52 #       <Dima202> But no sda1
00.21.53 #       <Dima202> :)
00.21.56 #       <Dima202> :(
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00.22.12 #       <Dima202> Damn it
00.22.15 #       <JdGordon> so where did it put it in the /dev folder?
00.22.18 #       <Dima202> She looks hot
00.22.28 #       <Dima202> hmm
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00.23.21 #       <Dima202> Is it possible that I put it somehow in recharge mode?
00.23.30 #       <Dima202> because the jukebox is charging
00.23.36 #       <Dima202> But I can;t mount it
00.23.42 #       <Dima202> Maybe there is some kind of key sequence eh?
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00.25.51 #       <JdGordon> Dima202 goto /dev and c whats there
00.26.02 #       <Dima202> I went to /dev/ bunch of em there
00.26.16 #       <JdGordon> any sda ?
00.26.33 #       <Dima202> instead of sda we have disk rdisk
00.26.36 #       <Dima202> I think
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00.27.13 #       <JdGordon> ok,, well try mounting them all indiivudally untill 1 works?
00.27.26 #       <JdGordon> mount /dev/rdiskX /mnt/archos
00.27.31 #       <Dima202> there is 292 possibilities!! :(
00.27.33 #       <JdGordon> make sure /mnt/archos exists
00.27.52 #       <Dima202> How do I see what is already mounted?
00.27.56 #       <Dima202> I forgot everythign :(
00.27.57 #       <JdGordon> type mount
00.28.15 #       <Dima202> <volfs> on /.vol
00.28.15 #       <Dima202> automount -nsl [160] on /Network (automounted)
00.28.15 #       <Dima202> automount -fstab [179] on /automount/Servers (automounted)
00.28.15 #       <Dima202> automount -static [179] on /automount/static (automounted)
00.28.15 #       <Dima202> apple-s-powerbook-g4-17:~ dimatech$                        
00.28.35 #       <Dima202> /dev/disk0s3 on / (local, journaled)
00.28.35 #       <Dima202> devfs on /dev (local)
00.28.35 #       <Dima202> fdesc on /dev (union)  
00.28.43 #       <Dima202> okay so HDD is disk0s3
00.28.50 #       <JdGordon> ye
00.29.05 #       <JdGordon> just figure out how osx loads the us disks
00.29.13 #       <JdGordon> and your all set... i gtg
00.29.16 #       <JdGordon> gluck
00.29.23 #       <Dima202> thanks
00.29.56 #       <Bagder> there's probably a /etc/fstab or similar
00.30.19 #       <Bagder> that contains the info used to mount it in normal cases
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00.44.48 #       <|Bger|> moe
00.44.52 #       <|Bger|> s/moe/nite
00.44.53 #       <|Bger|> :)
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00.49.52 #       <aliask> Night
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01.04.56 #       <chiller> 
01.04.59 #       <chiller> ops
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01.17.18 #       <JonSenior> Hmm, getting my head around the disassembled code will have to wait until the weekend I think! Need some sleep now!
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01.26.28 #       <andy> LinusN: think i have located one nasty bug in recording.. backlight fading (which uses cpu_boost) seams to cause dma transfer to fail.. so one workaround is to run recording with boost..
01.26.44 #       <LinusN> interesting
01.27.13 #       <LinusN> or disable that silly fading
01.27.30 #       <andy> yep
01.27.42 #       <Soul-E> so any idea on whether the new us firmware will be patchable
01.28.44 #       <LinusN> i suspect it will be tough
01.30.18 #       <LinusN> if they care about drm, they have probably added an extra checksum to prevent tampering
01.32.49 #       <Soul-E> possible.
01.35.11 #       <andy> LinusN: yes, cpu_boost(false) while dma is in progress causes it to fail
01.37.01 #       <andy> going to check in my changes (adds peakmeter and a few bug fixes)
01.38.29 #       <andy> LinusN: btw, in apps/recording/recording.c upon exit, peak_meter_enabled is set to false, and is it not enabled in wps screen.. is a proper fix to remove it or enable it in wps?
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01.42.24 #       <LinusN> andy: not sure actually, i think so
01.46.49 #       <JdGordon> hey LinusN
01.46.59 #       <LinusN> yo
01.46.59 #       <JdGordon> good news :D i can load a colour bmp
01.47.12 #       <LinusN> wee
01.47.20 #       <Rob2222> ^^ :)
01.47.23 #       <JdGordon> well... maybe i left out a bit...
01.47.24 #       <Rob2222> good evening
01.47.40 #       <JdGordon> it loads as mostly black with a bit of garbled colour :D
01.47.47 #       <LinusN> haha
01.48.00 #       <JdGordon> ill hopefully fix it today, otherwise ill just send some1 the code to finish
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01.48.31 #       <LinusN> oh
01.48.39 #       <Soul-E> cool Jd
01.48.44 #       <Rob2222> LinusN: Any news at the H300 boot bug?
01.48.51 #       <LinusN> not really
01.49.05 #       <markun> LinusN: do you know of a more intelligent ARM disassembler for linux than objdump?
01.49.13 #       <LinusN> no
01.49.34 #       <Soul-E> wait. Rbx loads the bootlogo in color perfectly, but we can't load BMPs properly?
01.50.01 #       <JdGordon> the rb logo is hardcoded colour
01.52.27 #       <Rob2222> well, to late here, i will go to bed. good night all
01.53.09 #       <JdGordon> http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/dump_0005.bmp
01.54.04 #       <JdGordon> doesnt that look cool :D
01.57.19 #       <LinusN> :-)
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01.59.44 #       <JdGordon> hmm.... whats the easiest way to debug it? the sim isnt very helpful...
02.00.19 #       <LinusN> either fix the sim, or run it on the target
02.00.49 #       <JdGordon> no, i mean it works prob as it should on the sim.. but its not easy to debug..
02.01.07 #       <LinusN> i on't get it
02.01.12 #       <JdGordon> ok dw
02.01.29 #       <LinusN> you can use a debugger in the sim
02.02.14 #       <JdGordon> how? or u mean the debug widonw and DEBUGF?
02.02.40 #       <LinusN> gdb
02.02.46 #       <JdGordon> k
02.02.48 #       <Soul-E> can you run regular firmware in the sim or just rbx
02.02.59 #       <XavierGr> Linus: Did you hear the news with the new H100 firmware LOL. They say that they fixed the recording glitch.
02.03.08 #       <LinusN> saw that
02.03.30 #       <LinusN> Soul-E: the sim is just rockbox, modified to run on the pc
02.03.41 #       <XavierGr> This is hilarious. Some freelancer programers that had no documentation made gltchless recording before the official company haha.
02.04.09 #       <XavierGr> (no documentation = got the documentation after a search)
02.10.29 #       <LinusN> andy: static volatile bool?
02.13.02 #       <andy> LinusN: yeah, so the compiler doesn't optimize the variable to a register.. might be unnecessary?
02.15.05 #       <XavierGr> Linus: Do you think that upon saving a fmr preset list that settings should be updated with the saved file. (That is also strange behavioud in cfg file)
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02.15.57 #       <LinusN> since the variable is global, the compiler shouldn't optimize it anyway, since we call a function in the loop, which may very well change the variable
02.16.57 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: "should be updated"? You mean it should use the newly saved file?
02.17.21 #       <XavierGr> Use it in the next load of the radio screen, yes.
02.17.30 #       <whatboutbob> <conspiracy conjecture> glitchless recording on iriver has been released suspiciously close to Rockbox getting the job done (thanks Andy). Anyone think the iriver developers have been having a peek at rockbox code?</conspiracy conjecture> :)
02.18.07 #       <LinusN> i'm sure they know about rockbox
02.18.17 #       <andy> LinusN: true.. i added volatile in a desperate hunt for a bug =)
02.18.21 #       <JdGordon> does the rb firwmare have to be named rockbox.iriver to load? (i mean to load another fw after boot)
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02.18.50 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: the bootloader only looks for rockbox.iriver
02.19.08 #       <LinusN> but you can manually load any file that ends with .iriver
02.19.13 #       <andy> whatboutbob: hehe.. but how come they only can buffer for 30 seconds when recording WAV and rockbox can buffer for almost 3 minutes ? :)
02.19.25 #       <JdGordon> ok, thanx
02.20.56 #       <XavierGr> Linus: E.g. The user starts radio. Then he creates a new fmr and then saves it. Currently (as in cfg file) if the user exits and the start the radio again the previous file wil load instead of the saved one. (If the user wants to load the saved one, he must load it manually from the radio menu.) Do you think that settings must be updated with that new file on save?
02.21.55 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: cfg files are never remembered
02.22.36 #       <LinusN> never ever
02.22.43 #       <whatboutbob> andy: hehe...yeah...i don't think i'm gonna be getting 15 hours recording time from 1 battery charge with the iriver fw any time soon. :)
02.23.06 #       <XavierGr> erm then I remember wrong. Anyway do you want to remember then new file upon save?
02.23.39 #       <JdGordon> hmm.. the sim runs faster than the actual player doesnt it?
02.23.56 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: no i don't think so
02.24.22 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: yes, the cpu is often a lot faster
02.24.40 #       <JdGordon> hmm ok, this bmp loading may not be feasible then
02.24.42 #       <LinusN> but the tick should be roughly the same
02.24.46 #       <andy> whatboutbob: 15 hours? what kind of battery do you have? 2200 mA? 
02.32.12 #       <whatboutbob> andy: yup. 2200mAh. 2gb split has worked fine for me a bunch of times btw.
02.35.05 #       <andy> ok.. time to sleep now..
02.35.21 #       <andy> hope my commit will be green
02.35.22 #       <andy> :D
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02.35.54 #       <JdGordon> hmm... bmp loading seems to freeze up my h300
02.38.21 #       <LinusN> ouch
02.39.26 #       <JdGordon> the hdd makes a whiney noise but it just sits at the blue screen
02.43.24 #       <LinusN> time for me to sleep
02.43.45 #       <XavierGr> ok buy Linus!
02.43.46 #       <JdGordon> gnite
02.43.49 #       <XavierGr> I mean bye
02.43.50 #       <LinusN> nite
02.43.52 #       <XavierGr> and good night
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02.46.36 #       <drumRBoy320> im really sorry im asking this, but while im here i might as well... is RB 1.29 compatable?
02.46.52 #       <JdGordon> not yet
02.46.59 #       <drumRBoy320> ok, thank you
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03.17.41 #       <JdGordon> how long is 781 ticks on the player? relativly really long?
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03.26.50 #       <RotAtoR> i believe ticks are at 100Hz on all models
03.26.54 #       <RotAtoR> so almost 8 seconds
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04.12.12 #       <XavierGr> why does the peak meter works only when recording?
04.12.52 #       <XavierGr> I think it is more usable if the peak meter works on the idle record screen.
04.16.32 #       <Soul-E> so someone tell me about this sim and how to use it.
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04.20.33 #       <XavierGr> can you compile the code?
04.22.55 #       <Soul-E> what kind of code is it
04.23.46 #       <XavierGr> the source of rockbox can you compile it? C
04.25.33 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
04.25.40 #       <XavierGr> if you dont know how to compile
04.25.48 #       <XavierGr> then you should be ready to use the sim/
04.26.06 #       <Soul-E> I have MSVC++ 6 I know how to compile
04.26.30 #       <XavierGr> Haha forget the Visual Studio
04.26.33 #       <Soul-E> where do i get the sim tho
04.26.35 #       <XavierGr> you need Cygwin
04.26.44 #       <XavierGr> code compiles only under Linux
04.26.49 #       <Soul-E> shite
04.26.58 #       <Soul-E> dammit why cant someone just link a compiled one
04.27.00 #       <XavierGr> (and with cygwin under Windows)
04.27.16 #       <XavierGr> I can give you one but not the latest.
04.28.11 #       <XavierGr> ok I can give the latest too.
04.28.21 #       <Soul-E> that works
04.28.43 #       <XavierGr> it will be without sound though
04.30.13 #       <XavierGr> H100 or H300?
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04.49.15 #       <DarkShadow_> Hello!
04.49.54 #       <Soul-E> h300
04.49.59 #       <Soul-E> sorry i was afk temporarily
04.50.30 #       <DarkShadow_> That's alright.
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05.13.16 #       <DarkShadow_> Has there been much testing of FM recording on the rockbox firmware for the H1X0?
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05.21.56 #       <toolmanwill> @DarkShadow : I have done some testing with recording. Got more to do now that peakmeters are working
05.22.30 #       <toolmanwill> I've been taping things from the radio for a few weeks now
05.23.12 #       <toolmanwill> it all works real well now, and the peakmeter is the finishing touch
05.23.59 #       <pengo> cool
05.24.22 #       <pengo> someone said it would get interference?
05.24.27 #       <toolmanwill> nope
05.24.33 #       <toolmanwill> not thats ive seen
05.24.34 #       <pengo> cool
05.25.20 #       <toolmanwill> i use 12 db level setting , 15 db will clip here and there
05.25.36 #       <pengo> i haven't tried myself
05.26.06 #       <toolmanwill> i was bored at work last friday and tested each setting, heh
05.27.24 #       <JdGordon> is there a way to find out if the backlight is on or off?
05.29.19 #       <toolmanwill> usually if you look at the screen and its lit, its on , hahaha
05.29.30 #       <JdGordon> HA HA.. thanx.. i mean int he code
05.29.37 #       <toolmanwill> idk
05.29.47 #       <JdGordon> the pressing a button and it turning the light on and doing the action is pissing me off
05.29.58 #       <toolmanwill> ahh
05.33.04 #       <DarkShadow_> Can you record radio now?
05.33.42 #       <toolmanwill> yes
05.34.04 #       <toolmanwill> its been available since radio was enabled
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05.34.18 #       <toolmanwill> just recording was in debug menu then
05.35.07 #       <toolmanwill> turn on radio then press a-b button andf choose recording, thhen recording screen, press record
05.35.33 #       <DarkShadow_> Woohoo!
05.35.35 #       <toolmanwill> making sure your source in recording settings is line
05.35.36 #       <DarkShadow_> ;)
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05.37.22 #       <DarkShadow_> ...I think I'll go try it now.
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05.40.21 #       <Hooligan> Hmm...This is interesting
05.40.40 #       <Hooligan> I sent in my H320 for repair two weeks ago
05.41.31 #       <Hooligan> I just got it back, and when I looked on the HDD, there is a file titled H300_Drmkey.hex 2,902,553 b
05.42.04 #       <Hooligan> And I don't think I'm making a wild guess in thinking that this could be a clue as to how DRM-protected music playback works
05.42.36 #       <DarkShadow_> Hm.
05.42.48 #       <Hooligan> Any thoughts as to what I should do with this?
05.43.17 #       <Hooligan> I have a second H320, with Korean firmware. I could try flashing it with these two to see if it restores DRM playback just to confirm
05.43.20 #       <XavierGr> keep it safe until a dev or someone that knows these stuff learns about it.
05.43.37 #       <Hooligan> Yes, yes. I'll keep several copies of both files of course.
05.44.08 #       <Soul-E> Hooligan copy the files for sure
05.44.17 #       <Hooligan> I'm backing it up on CD as we speak :)
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05.44.27 #       <Soul-E> Send one to andrewmel at MR
05.44.32 #       <Soul-E> is it a large file?
05.44.55 #       <Hooligan> It's about 2.76 MB
05.45.00 #       <ashridah> i'm not sure the devs will be interested, they prefer official releases. 
05.45.00 #       <Hooligan> Slightly larger than the firmware
05.45.13 #       <Hooligan> ashridah: That's what I was thinking
05.45.18 #       <ashridah> Hooligan: are you sure it's not the unofficial 1.03 firmware?
05.45.30 #       <XavierGr> hmm the peak meter doesn't work right with line in recording.
05.45.43 #       <Hooligan> Well, as I said these two files were on it when I got it back
05.45.43 #       <XavierGr> it will either clip or show nothing.
05.45.59 #       <Hooligan> I'm gonna try flashing them both to an H320 with 1.28k to make sure it works
05.46.20 #       <Hooligan> But if the U.S. firmware doesn't detect a DRM key it will give a warning to that effect, right?
05.46.46 #       <XavierGr> haha imagine if it is a very top scret file that will enable decoding of drm music. (very doubtable thoug)
05.47.10 #       <Hooligan> Doubtful. But the thought is immensely entertaining
05.47.40 #       <Hooligan> So it'll give me a warning if there's no DRM key right?
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05.48.21 #       * Hooligan coughs
05.48.41 #       <Hooligan> So yeah, let me try flashing without H300_Drmkey.hex, and then with it.
05.49.17 #       <Hooligan> I think my chances of bricking it are fairly low at least
05.49.29 #       <XavierGr> are you sure it is safe to flash this?
05.49.54 #       <XavierGr> is is the same size with a normal firmware file? (up or down)
05.50.55 #       <Hooligan> The firmware is 2,897,936 b and the H300_Drmkey.hex is 2,902,553
05.51.34 #       <Hooligan> But since both files were on there, I think it's possible that when you flash with H300.hex, it will search for H300_drmkey.hex
05.51.41 #       <Hooligan> Just a guess, but I plan to test the theory.
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05.52.09 #       <Hooligan> Either way, I can't pass up the chance to test this. So wish me luck ;)
05.52.29 #       <DarkShadow_> I wish you luck!
05.52.31 #       <DarkShadow_> ;)
05.52.49 #       <Hooligan> Hope I don't need it.
05.53.13 #       <toolmanwill> @ XavierGr : Which machine, 100 or 300?
05.53.20 #       <ehntoo> hi everyone.
05.53.27 #       <toolmanwill> for peakmeter that is
05.54.00 #       <ehntoo> something I just noticed: monkey's audio has been open sourced
05.54.25 #       <XavierGr> H100
05.54.39 #       <ashridah> monkey's audio?
05.54.48 #       <toolmanwill> wried, from radio or mics?
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05.54.52 #       <toolmanwill> oops weird
05.54.57 #       <Hooligan> Test 1: Flashing with the H300.hex I found on the player, without H300_Drmkey.hex on the drive.
05.54.58 #       <ehntoo> ashridah, yeah, ".ape"
05.55.09 #       <ehntoo> it's a lossless format
05.55.10 #       <Hooligan> Result: 1.03 US, "DRM key not found" error.
05.55.32 #       <XavierGr> line in, that is radio or ext-microphone (I haven't test a line source though yet)
05.55.42 #       <ashridah> ehntoo: aah.
05.55.57 #       <toolmanwill> i tested with radio and it worked ok
05.56.17 #       <toolmanwill> didnt plug my box and cards in for a line test yet
05.56.26 #       <XavierGr> well I couldn't get mid range values
05.56.36 #       <ehntoo> hrm.
05.56.38 #       <XavierGr> only a clip or nothing.
05.56.58 #       <ehntoo> or not.  just the sdk is opened.
05.57.00 #       <XavierGr> when music is somewhat loud it will show full bar if not it will show nothing
05.57.42 #       <ashridah> ehntoo: it might be open but still unusuable for us, due to licensing, of course.
05.57.54 #       <toolmanwill> mines working right now
05.57.55 #       <ashridah> it has to be GPL compatible at least, if not completely GPL'ed.
05.58.06 #       <toolmanwill> did your use bleeding build?
05.58.31 #       <XavierGr> also I can't get the peak meter work on idle mode (while not recording)
05.58.33 #       <Kyl3> cygwin wont do anything because it cant find m86k-elf-gcc lol
05.58.38 #       <XavierGr> yes
05.58.42 #       <toolmanwill> it doesnt
05.58.51 #       <ehntoo> ashridah: http://www.monkeysaudio.com/developers.html
05.58.57 #       <ehntoo> I'll let you figure it out by yourself.
05.58.57 #       <toolmanwill> only works while recording
05.59.04 #       <ehntoo> it's late and I don't have any coffee.
05.59.14 #       <DarkShadow_> Oh noes!
05.59.21 #       <XavierGr> Thought about that, but why only recording?
05.59.44 #       <toolmanwill> prolly needs more code to call it while in idle
05.59.46 #       <Kyl3> is there a way i can get m86k-elf-gcc for cygwin?
06.00.06 #       <toolmanwill> from what i seen in changes its when recording is true
06.00.18 #       <JdGordon> grr... i hate this fucking code
06.00.32 #       <XavierGr> toolmanwill: your gain settings are both to 0dB right?
06.00.38 #       <Hooligan> Okay, now I'm gonna flash with just H300_Drmkey.hex. Let's see if it works...
06.00.40 #       <JdGordon> stupid fucking "undefined reference to blaa..." LOOK IN THE .H FILE U STUPID COMPILER!!!
06.00.43 #       * Hooligan crosses his fingers
06.00.55 #       <toolmanwill> i'm at 12 db gain
06.01.06 #       <XavierGr> JdGordon what are you doing?
06.01.24 #       <JdGordon> trying to compile the damn firmware with some secret changes :D
06.01.34 #       <XavierGr> toolmanwill: mine 0dB something is wrong with mine then
06.01.41 #       <Kyl3> Hooligan: dont forget to rename it to H300.hex
06.01.46 #       <XavierGr> plugin or something else?
06.01.49 #       <Hooligan> Yeah, haha
06.01.55 #       <Hooligan> I wonder if this will brick my player.
06.02.11 #       <XavierGr> well cross your fingers then
06.02.16 #       <Hooligan> Oh, I am.
06.02.35 #       <JdGordon> heheh.. had the funciton under a #if defined block which wasnt being done :p
06.02.40 #       * JdGordon shuts up
06.02.50 #       <XavierGr> haha
06.03.03 #       <Kyl3> how do you rockbox guys compile using cygwin withoutm86k-elf-gcc?
06.03.22 #       <XavierGr> you can't (i think)
06.03.42 #       <Kyl3> i know ;P where can i get it?
06.03.45 #       <ashridah> XavierGr: the simulator should compile with GCC.
06.03.48 #       <ehntoo> Kyl3: tried this? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
06.03.50 #       <XavierGr> get the devkit if you are on windows, or downlaod the elf from the cygwin links.
06.04.02 #       <Hooligan> Also, H300_Drmkey.hex looks almost identical to H300.hex in a hex editor, so I'm reassured a bit.
06.04.15 #       <XavierGr> yes the simulator can compile without the mk68
06.04.18 #       <Kyl3> thanks guys
06.04.24 #       <Hooligan> Okay, here goes nothing.
06.04.36 #       <XavierGr> Hooligan: Then procceed haha , don't blame me though
06.04.44 #       <Hooligan> I won't.
06.04.53 #       <Kyl3> whatre doing anyway?
06.05.01 #       <XavierGr> Well, here goes your H300 if something is wrong....
06.05.08 #       <Hooligan> Hehe
06.05.15 #       <Hooligan> Well, it's booting
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06.05.27 #       <XavierGr> and...
06.05.39 #       <Hooligan> Damn.
06.05.40 #       <Hooligan> Can't Found DRM KEY
06.05.50 #       <XavierGr> what?
06.05.58 #       <XavierGr> sgit
06.06.06 #       <XavierGr> I mean shit
06.06.16 #       <XavierGr> how that stuff works anyway?
06.06.21 #       <Hooligan> The name must mean something though
06.06.23 #       <XavierGr> I mean you have a drm song
06.06.29 #       <XavierGr> do you put a license file there?
06.06.55 #       <XavierGr> and then checks the drm in the firmware and plays else it will not?
06.07.33 #       <Hooligan> Well, the key must be used to decrypt the song.
06.07.36 #       <Hooligan> I think
06.08.22 #       <XavierGr> toolmanwill: It was my settings that did the job.
06.08.38 #       <XavierGr> Now the peak meter works fine.
06.08.45 #       <ashridah> the key on the player is used to reencrypt the song on upload, isn't it?
06.08.53 #       <ashridah> so it can't be copied back off the device.
06.09.19 #       <Hooligan> Makes sense.
06.09.27 #       <toolmanwill> kool, beans
06.09.55 #       <toolmanwill> that peakmeter now will stop me totally from using iriver FW
06.10.00 #       <XavierGr> if you have a drm file do you need to put on the player another one (except the audio file)
06.10.31 #       <XavierGr> toolmanwill: Why did the iriver fw had peakmeter in the first place?
06.11.10 #       <XavierGr> (kidding)
06.11.59 #       <Hooligan> Now, I wonder if there would be any legal implications of me uploading this file
06.12.17 #       <Hooligan> Not like I got it in any shady way, it was on my player when I got it back.
06.12.19 #       <XavierGr> upload it at least in your mail box.
06.12.46 #       <XavierGr> or somewhere that we can get our hands, if something happens to you, now that you have it, ;p
06.12.55 #       <Hooligan> Haha
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06.13.15 #       <XavierGr> Who knows what can happen to you now that it leaked to your hands
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06.13.25 #       <Hooligan> Well, although the tests were disappointing (But non-bricking :)), I hope this file can still give some clues
06.13.30 #       <XavierGr> I would double lock my door if I were you LOL
06.13.45 #       <Hooligan> I'll hide a copy in the heating duct.
06.14.12 #       <XavierGr> or mask the extension as a zip file
06.14.16 #       <Soul-E> Hooligan
06.14.26 #       <Soul-E> did you try flashing h300.hex with h300drm.hex on the drive?
06.14.42 #       <XavierGr> yes he did on the first try
06.14.47 #       <XavierGr> no?
06.15.14 #       <Soul-E> <Hooligan> Test 1: Flashing with the H300.hex I found on the player, without H300_Drmkey.hex on the drive.
06.15.32 #       <Soul-E> try flashing WITH it on the drive
06.15.38 #       <Hooligan> I did.
06.15.39 #       <Hooligan> http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32762
06.16.49 #       <Soul-E> is your device US or Intl
06.16.56 #       <Hooligan> US
06.17.27 #       <Hooligan> I'm testing these files on a second H320 which I had previously flashed to 1.28k
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06.18.02 #       <Hooligan> I'm gonna try flashing with both files on the drive one more time.
06.18.08 #       <Kyl3> grr now i get compiling errors ill just wait for the 1.29k patcher
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06.18.52 #       <Hooligan> Though it seems the two files are almost identical when looked at in a hex editor.
06.18.59 #       <XavierGr> why not flash with the drm hex without renamed maybe it will accpet it.
06.19.13 #       <Hooligan> Tried, didn't accept it.
06.19.44 #       <Hooligan> Maybe if I flash with H300.hex, then try flashing with H300_Drmkey.hex without renaming it. Maybe...Just maybe
06.20.17 #       <XavierGr> maybe if we email iriver they will tell us ROFLMAO
06.20.38 #       <Hooligan> That would be golden
06.21.04 #       <Hooligan> Maybe I should call them tomorrow morning. See what they say!
06.21.18 #       <XavierGr> maybe the put that on purpose to laugh at us...
06.21.37 #       <Hooligan> If they were doing it to laugh at us, they would make it a bricker.
06.22.02 #       <XavierGr> ah nah they wouldn't be such dicks.
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06.22.19 #       <XavierGr> you can't really laugh with a bricked H300. :(
06.22.20 #       <Hooligan> True.
06.22.36 #       <Hooligan> Oh, funny story about how I have two H320s
06.22.47 #       <Hooligan> I sent mine back two weeks ago, got it back yesterday.
06.22.58 #       <drumRBoy320> hooligan, funny to see you here, i just gave instructions to try and go here if you needed someone to test
06.22.59 #       <drumRBoy320> hahaha
06.23.02 #       <Hooligan> This afternoon, I get home and there's another package from iRiver
06.23.18 #       <Hooligan> drumRboy: I'm a geek too!
06.23.22 #       <drumRBoy320> lol
06.23.24 #       <drumRBoy320> :P
06.23.34 #       <Hooligan> So I open up the second package today, and it
06.23.38 #       <Hooligan> 's another H320!
06.23.49 #       <Hooligan> Incidentally, it was the one with H300_Drmkey.hex
06.23.54 #       <XavierGr> Hooligan they send it to you 2 H300s
06.23.57 #       <drumRBoy320> did you tell them they sent to?
06.23.59 #       <Kyl3> wow.
06.24.02 #       <drumRBoy320> two*
06.24.07 #       <Soul-E> on accident?
06.24.09 #       <Hooligan> Yes, they did.
06.24.10 #       <Soul-E> that is freaking awesome
06.24.13 #       <XavierGr> are you kidding OMFG!!!!!
06.24.17 #       <drumRBoy320> hahaha
06.24.18 #       <Soul-E> why did you flash both with intl firmware then
06.24.23 #       <Hooligan> I didn't
06.24.32 #       <XavierGr> I repeat OMFG!!!!!
06.24.33 #       <Hooligan> The one that I got today is still 1.03 US
06.24.36 #       <drumRBoy320> thats like that guy who sent in an h120 and got an h340 and an h120 back
06.24.39 #       <drumRBoy320> i think
06.24.56 #       <Soul-E> try flashing it with the h300drmkey
06.25.05 #       <XavierGr> Then maybe I will try to RMA mine!
06.25.14 #       <Hooligan> I'm trying everything on the one that was already 1.28k
06.25.53 #       <ehntoo> I may have to swap my new 30gb drive out of my h120 for the old broken 20 and try to rma it
06.26.14 #       <Hooligan> ehntoo: Good luck
06.26.25 #       <ehntoo> I wonder if they'd still rma it.
06.26.28 #       <ehntoo> hm.
06.26.34 #       <ehntoo> I'm off to bed, anyway
06.26.35 #       <ehntoo> later
06.26.38 #       <Hooligan> Bye
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06.27.26 #       <Kyl3> how long does an RMA take when its ground shipping
06.27.55 #       <Hooligan> I got mine back in two weeks ground shipping
06.28.02 #       <Kyl3> from NY? I wanna have my 340 back before new years
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06.28.05 #       <drumRBoy320> nite all
06.28.12 #       <Kyl3> nite
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06.28.24 #       <Kyl3> Really thats great
06.28.47 #       <Kyl3> According to FedEx right now mines in Ohio
06.29.35 #       <Hooligan> Okay, I'm out of combinations. At any rate, I can confirm that flashing with this unknown file won't brick it
06.29.56 #       <Hooligan> Surely must be worth something :)
06.30.06 #       <JdGordon> ok which function is the main button keypress checker?
06.30.24 #       <Kyl3> flash one with a rockboxed h120.hex fine, rename it :P
06.32.03 #       <Hooligan> Okay, time to flash back to 1.28k Rockboxed
06.32.33 #       <Hooligan> Is Linus still the only developer on the H300?
06.33.26 #       <ashridah> Hooligan: for specific hardware issues, yes. for rockbox in general, absolutely not
06.33.44 #       <ashridah> lots of the features that work in the H1xx and archos players also work directly on the H3xx.
06.34.09 #       <ashridah> god. i've been answering too many MR posts.
06.34.16 #       <Hooligan> ashridah: Yeah, I know. I meant for issues such as getting the radio, recording, USB support, etc. working 
06.34.18 #       <ashridah> Hooligan: sorry about the formula reply ;)
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06.34.29 #       <Hooligan> Haha, no worries.
06.35.05 #       <ashridah> so far as i know, yeah, although it's at the stage where anyone can do development, just not too many developers with H3xx's yet. a few new ones are starting to look at things tho
06.35.10 #       <ashridah> (like optimising tremor)
06.35.20 #       <ashridah> that can be done just with datasheets and a unit
06.36.25 #       <Hooligan> Well, I can't really code all that well (And certainly not well enough for Rockbox) but if there's anything I can help with I'd be happy to do what I can.
06.39.45 #       <Hooligan> So if there's any mundane work to be done just tell me, haha.
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06.42.28 #       <JdGordon> Hooligan: looks at the logs form a few days ago.. i asked the same q and they had some ideas
06.44.05 #       <JdGordon> haha, my lcd backlight keeps flashing on as soon as it goes off :D
06.44.45 #       <Hooligan> It's possessed.
06.44.57 #       <Hooligan> Or however many times 's' is in there
06.45.41 #       <XavierGr> Hooligan you could help with the manual.
06.45.43 #       <JdGordon> hehe no.. just misunderstanding the code on my part :D
06.54.12 #       <D3DAiM> lol it seems like 2 wps's are mixed together
06.54.24 #       <D3DAiM> dunno how to fix that
06.55.11 #       * JdGordon gives up
06.55.30 #       <cannard> is jerry springer scripted?
06.55.49 #       <D3DAiM> figures i press too many buttons :P
06.55.49 #       <Rick> Who knows!
06.56.19 #       <D3DAiM> hey, are there any playable games for rockbox yet?
06.56.25 #       <JdGordon> heaps
06.56.47 #       <D3DAiM> hm
06.57.12 #       <Hooligan> We need more games that take full advantage of the H100/300 screen
06.57.37 #       <Hooligan> Wasn't there a Rockblox patch that turns the play screen vertical?
06.57.39 #       <D3DAiM> is there link u can gie me?
06.57.43 #       <D3DAiM> give*
06.58.09 #       <D3DAiM> or are they in the patch section
06.58.31 #       <D3DAiM> aha they are nvm
06.58.31 #       <JdGordon> the oficial ones are in .rockbox/rocks
06.58.41 #       <D3DAiM> got it
06.58.46 #       <ashridah> how the #@$%@#$ do i get the fm radio out of preset mode?
06.58.51 #       <ashridah> i can't seem to scan 
06.59.28 #       <Rick> D3DAiM: Plenty if you use rockboy (:
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07.05.03 #       <XavierGr> ashridah: Press and hold PLAY
07.05.49 #       <ashridah> aah
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07.20.55 #       <D3DAiM> i heard rockboy was slow
07.22.13 #       <hooligan> So why doesn't the H300 radio work yet? I thought the tuner was identical the H100's
07.22.42 #       <hooligan> Slow in what respect?
07.23.09 #       <D3DAiM> dunno, it lagged
07.24.45 #       <hooligan> It can lag a little when browsing the file tree when dir caching is disabled
07.24.45 #       <Rick> Heh
07.24.55 #       <Rick> I need to work on my rockmachine plugin :<
07.25.31 #       <D3DAiM> well then i need to try it out
07.25.46 #       <D3DAiM> is it full game performance asa gb?
07.26.02 #       <D3DAiM> as if u were to play it on a emulator
07.26.30 #       <Rick> well, from what I know the h100 only goes up to 120mhz (I think)
07.29.20 #       <Lost-ash> Rick: safely. you could probably twiddle the multiplier higher. wouldn't last long tho
07.30.23 #       <Rick> ah
07.34.31 #       <JdGordon> hooligan
07.34.42 #       <JdGordon> its more to do with how the tuner is connected to the rest of the unit
07.34.45 #       <JdGordon> not the tuner itself
07.34.58 #       <JdGordon> u can compile the h300 fw with the tuner.. but it wont work
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07.37.02 #       <hooligan> JdGordon: I see. Thanks for clarifying that.
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07.43.52 #       <hooligan> May be a silly question, but how do I compile a single plugin from the RB source?
07.44.35 #       <JdGordon> dunno.. just do make and it will only recompile changed files
07.49.33 #       <Bger> morning :)
07.50.20 #       <JdGordon> morning
07.50.34 #       <Bger> or evening or ... whatever
07.54.32 #       <hooligan> 10:54 PM here
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08.53.17 #       <whatboutbob> ergh...my rockbox dir i use to compile has been corrupted. am attempting to reinstall, however when i attempt to make tools i'm getting an error make: ***[ipod_fw] Error 1.  any ideas what i've done wrong anyone?
08.53.45 #       <Bagder> you have an outdated devkit, I'd say
08.53.53 #       <whatboutbob> ah. l
08.53.57 #       <whatboutbob> *k
08.54.11 #       <Bagder> the devkit may be small, but you need to download a new small one every few months ;-)
08.54.25 #       <whatboutbob> *slaps head* v313
08.54.28 #       <whatboutbob> thanks bagder
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09.01.37 #       <Bger> hehe
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09.01.54 #       <Bger> Bagder: even the last devkit doesn
09.01.57 #       <Bger> 't work atm
09.02.02 #       <Bger> iirc
09.02.02 #       <Bagder> I know
09.02.17 #       <Bagder> but that ipod_fw thing is fixed at least
09.02.25 #       <Bger> yes, but ... :)
09.02.41 #       <Bagder> and the uclpack problem can be ignored for non-Archos users
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09.02.58 #       <Bger> yeah,that's what i've done
09.03.01 #       <Bagder> I intend to even fix it for non-Archos users
09.03.04 #       <Bger> what i did
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09.11.57 #       <JdGordon> %Fn is next track right?
09.16.22 #       <Bger> JdGordon: see www.rockbox.org/twiki/view/bin/Main/CustomWPS
09.16.36 #       <JdGordon> thats what im looking at....
09.16.41 #       <Bger> ops
09.16.44 #       <JdGordon> oops.. i did %FN in the .wps
09.16.46 #       <JdGordon> :p
09.19.21 #       <JdGordon> my wps is almost done :D
09.19.31 #       <JdGordon> simple and no damn pics so it doesnt flash
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09.22.39 #       <Bger> morning, LinusN;)
09.22.46 #       <LinusN> morning
09.24.31 #       <JdGordon> mornig LinusN
09.24.43 #       <LinusN> moo
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09.24.51 #       <JdGordon> how the heck do u get the player to ignore a keypress?? i was playing all today and couldnt get it to work :'(
09.25.09 #       <LinusN> eh?
09.25.29 #       <LinusN> receive the event and ignore it
09.25.39 #       <JdGordon> in the button driver
09.25.50 #       <LinusN> why in the driver?
09.26.02 #       <JdGordon> i was tryig to get it to ignore presses if the bl is off... 
09.26.15 #       <LinusN> h300?
09.26.16 #       <JdGordon> .. by all day i mean about 15min :p
09.26.18 #       <JdGordon> ye
09.26.37 #       <LinusN> should be fairly easy
09.26.51 #       <LinusN> don't send the event if bl is off
09.27.24 #       <LinusN> line 165
09.27.38 #       <LinusN> if(repeat) ...
09.28.05 #       <JdGordon> AH
09.28.10 #       <JdGordon> doh !
09.28.39 #       <LinusN> you'd probably have to skip the lastbtn assignment as well on line 185
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09.30.23 #       <whatboutbob> bger: how do i ignore the uclpack error?
09.30.35 #       <JdGordon> remove the line from the makefile
09.31.50 #       * whatboutbob shudders
09.31.58 #       <Bger> and from FILES in tools/ dir
09.32.02 #       <Bger> iirc
09.33.03 #       <whatboutbob> sorry...i'm a noob. i don't know how /where to remove the line.  it all just automagically worked for me b4... <grins sheepishly>
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09.33.30 #       <XavierGr> anyone knows where TiMiD is lost? I haven't seen him some days now...
09.34.35 #       <JdGordon> whatboutbob: remove uclpack form tools/Makefile in the TARGETS := line
09.35.41 #       <XavierGr> anyway I am going to sleep now later all.
09.37.14 #       <Bagder> Andy made the build yellow
09.37.44 #       <JdGordon> kill him !
09.38.09 #       <XavierGr> well fair trade of for the peak meters haha
09.38.25 #       <XavierGr> s/of/off
09.38.51 #       <whatboutbob> hehe...the peak meters are why i'm trying to compile...i wanna record a gig starting in about 40 mins...
09.39.03 #       <Bagder> hehe
09.39.12 #       <Bagder> well there are bleeding builds if nothing else works
09.39.38 #       <whatboutbob> yeah...i'm thinking i'm going to have to do that. worry about my patches later.
09.40.12 #       <whatboutbob> i've never used bleeding builds before...is it as simple as extracting to the unit?
09.40.19 #       <Bagder> yes
09.40.24 #       <whatboutbob> shweet. thanks.
09.40.31 #       <Bagder> it's just a make zip from the latest cvs table build
09.41.35 #       * Bagder sees LinusN is sucking up to the MR crowd ;-)
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09.46.46 #       <LinusN> Bagder: :-)
09.46.59 #       <LinusN> i have to cater for my fans
09.47.14 #       <Bagder> har har
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09.48.50 #       * Bagder still has 30 gcc4-warnings modified files 
09.48.58 #       <LinusN> besides, i must work hard to win the wiki stats for december too
09.49.35 #       <Bagder> LinusN: I figure you're ok with my tools approach?
09.50.10 #       <LinusN> which is?
09.50.42 #       <Bagder> (posted to the list a while ago) no longer allow make in tools/ but build the "proper" tools when make is ran in the build dir
09.51.03 #       <Bagder> no more building unnecessary tools
09.51.28 #       <LinusN> aha
09.51.35 #       <LinusN> fair enough
09.52.02 #       <Bagder> for example, it'll hide the uclpack problem to all iriver people
09.52.23 #       <Bagder> uclpack-with-devkit problem that is
09.54.08 #       <LinusN> good
09.56.24 #       <Bagder> committed
09.56.45 #       <Bagder> re-run configure re-run configure re-run configure re-run configure re-run configure 
09.56.54 #       <Bagder> :-)
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09.58.51 #       <Bagder> whatboutbob: your uclpack problems are solved now if you cvsup
09.59.49 #       <LinusN> i bet the devkit breaks in a new way now :-)
10.00.09 #       <Bagder> heh, I can't say that would surprise me ;-)
10.01.22 #       <JdGordon> __backlight_on and __backlight_off is the only way it gets turned on or off?
10.01.28 #       * Bagder is always prepared to break a build or two
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10.01.45 #       <linuxstb_> Bagder: Is it possible for someone to override your change and force a compile in the tools directory?
10.02.00 #       <Bagder> yes, if you run 'make [tool]'
10.02.12 #       <preglow> meh
10.02.16 #       <linuxstb_> That's fine then.
10.02.23 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: think so
10.02.41 #       <linuxstb_> I was just thinking that there may be rare situations where I wanted a tool without wanting to compile for a target.
10.02.46 #       <JdGordon> grr *shakes fist* then i dunno why the fuck this hack wont work :'(
10.03.03 #       <Bagder> linuxstb_: you can also just run 'make tools' in the build dir, which will only build the tools for your platform
10.03.03 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: show me the patch
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10.03.47 #       <JdGordon> unless its checking the buttons too quickly? and regiestering the click twice?
10.05.00 #       <LinusN> could be
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10.05.11 #       <JdGordon> no diff in the cygwin kit.. all ive done is added a vairable in backlight.c which is set to 1 if backlight is on and 0 if off, and a function to check it.. then if its off (before going into button_read() then queue_post(&button_queue, btn, NULL); is skipped
10.05.21 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: no diff?
10.05.24 #       <JdGordon> bugger... gotta go
10.05.29 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: youre not using cvs????
10.05.29 #       <JdGordon> fix it tomrow
10.05.32 #       <JdGordon> cyaz
10.05.52 #       <JdGordon> the cygwin devkit doesnt have it
10.05.59 #       <JdGordon> and i havnt got round to installing it
10.06.07 #       <LinusN> it has it
10.06.27 #       <LinusN> afaik
10.06.33 #       <JdGordon> ah woops.. so it does :p
10.06.47 #       <JdGordon> it just crashes when i do di<tab> which is why i thought it didnt
10.06.50 #       <JdGordon> anyway, gtg
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10.07.34 #       <Bagder> I am just so happy I don't need to be near the devkit/cygwin
10.07.39 #       <LinusN> me too
10.09.08 #       <linuxstb> Is the apps/win32.mak file obsolete?
10.09.17 #       <Bagder> yes
10.09.24 #       <linuxstb> And the one in tools/
10.09.34 #       <Bagder> yes
10.09.51 #       <linuxstb> Should someone "cvs remove" them?
10.09.56 #       <Bagder> yes
10.09.59 #       <linuxstb> You?
10.10.02 #       <Bagder> yes
10.10.10 #       <linuxstb> :)
10.10.32 #       <Bagder> done!
10.15.59 #       * linuxstb wonders why Ogg is such an unhelpful container format.
10.16.29 #       <linuxstb> You basically need to scan the whole file in order to get all the information needed for playback.
10.17.04 #       <linuxstb> And there is no seektable.
10.19.47 #       <markun> Maybe matroshka is bettter
10.20.10 #       <linuxstb> Tell all the vorbis fans that :)
10.20.41 #       <markun> I'm a vorbis fan :)
10.20.59 #       <linuxstb> I've started to write a simple (malloc free) Ogg parser that Tremor (and FLAC and Speex when it comes) can use.
10.22.12 #       <linuxstb> Do you use chained Ogg files?  Do you know any applications that support them?
10.22.12 #       <markun> Very usefull. I guess we'll only play the first stream in the Ogg container
10.22.56 #       <markun> It's useful for internet radio, but that's the only application I can think of
10.23.28 #       <markun> It's should be possible to split them again, so if someone complains we can tell them to do that.
10.23.35 #       <linuxstb> Is it designed to be used to store an entire album in a single file?
10.25.14 #       <markun> That's also possible
10.25.44 #       <markun> I suggest you forget about it for now :)
10.25.58 #       <linuxstb> I have to say that .m4a is a perfect container for portable playback.  All the required information (including an index of every compressed frame in the file with its compressed and uncompressed size) is in the header.
10.29.02 #       <markun> Did you start the code for the wolfson dac yet?
10.30.36 #       <preglow> linuxstb: no seek table?
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10.34.01 #       <linuxstb> Nope.
10.34.07 #       <linuxstb> (to both questions)
10.35.28 #       <preglow> then how do you seek?
10.36.20 #       <linuxstb> You guess, resync to the start of the next page and look in the page header for the location of that page in the stream.
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10.36.55 #       <linuxstb> The header contains a CRC for syncing purpose.
10.37.12 #       <preglow> wow, gotta admit ogg fell in esteem
10.38.13 #       <MrShlee> Does the patcher work for 1.29?
10.38.16 #       <linuxstb> Yes, it's not nice.  I thought there would be some advantage to using Ogg instead of native FLAC, but there isn't.
10.47.13 #       <linuxstb> Anyway, I'm planning to implement Ogg FLAC using my own parser.  When I add seeking support to it, I'll then see if it's worth replacing Tremor's parser with my own.  At the very least it will remove a ton of mallocs from Tremor.
10.47.26 #       <preglow> hmm
10.47.31 #       <preglow> any reason why you're not using libogg2?
10.47.40 #       <preglow> it's supposed to be malloc free
10.47.43 #       <linuxstb> It's full of mallocs.
10.47.54 #       <preglow> oh?
10.47.55 #       <linuxstb> Unless I downloaded the wrong version.
10.49.43 #       <linuxstb> This is the libogg2 I looked at: http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/ogg2/
10.49.50 #       <MrShlee> Before I flash, any set plans to release a new boot patcher for the H300 soon?
10.50.24 #       <linuxstb> And this file contains all the [mc]allocs: http://svn.xiph.org/trunk/ogg2/src/buffer.c
10.51.11 #       <preglow> well, in that case: move along
10.51.20 #       <preglow> bloody mallocs
10.52.15 #       <preglow> man, i'm tired
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11.11.30 #       <lamed> hey guys. found a few bugs. 
11.12.03 #       <lamed> no usb check on credit screen... you can connect the data cable without beeing connected
11.12.20 #       <Bger> lamed: this is plugin
11.12.34 #       <Bger> (apps/plugins/credits.c)
11.12.39 #       <lamed> ..all plugins work like that?
11.12.48 #       <Bagder> not necessarily
11.13.04 #       <lamed> well then, don't you think it's a sort of a mistake?
11.13.25 #       <Bagder> I think so
11.14.09 #       <lamed> well then now you know of it... if i correct something like that, to whom should i post..?
11.14.22 #       <Bagder> patch tracker
11.14.43 #       <Bagder> lunch!
11.14.52 #       <Bger> nice lunch
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11.18.10 #       <lamed> HEHEEHEHEEH IRIVER H SERIES FW 1.66!!! hahaha... hilarious... sorry, just read about it... ("and i've thought they STOPPED updating...." muhahahah). although that one sounds serious: 5. Fixed the bug that made noise regarding buffer control when recording in WAV format. |  it's probably nothing isn't it
11.19.09 #       <lamed>  3. Support Hebrew/Greek    Wow! thanks! if you could only done it 2 YEARS AGO! and PROPERLY from Right to Left like rockbox does!
11.19.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think the 1.66 is a side effect of the new h300 firmware
11.20.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Most of the fixes are pretty similar. They're like "we've got all this spare code, we might as well pretend we care about those h100 users"
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11.24.18 #       <lamed> I guess you're right. there's no way in hell after 1.5 years of waiting for that goddamn hebrew support smallest patch, never to mention playlists, i cannot imagine they really _care_
11.25.41 #       <MrShlee> I doubt they care about much now they have microsoft support :+
11.25.44 #       <ashridah> iriver are irrelevent for the H1xx now :)
11.25.54 #       * ashridah certainly won't be updating to 1.66 any time soon
11.26.23 #       <MrShlee> I updated for the mchell of it. Works fine :|
11.26.43 #       <ashridah> MrShlee: i don't doubt that it works. i just don't need it.
11.27.00 #       <MrShlee> *nods*
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11.27.42 #       <lch> yo, rockbox folks.
11.28.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As I said I'll update to 1.66 when I need to flash a newer version of the bootloader for whatever reason.
11.28.37 #       <lch> after leaving my iRiver H140 on a plane, and buying an Archos FM Recorder that no longer works, I am once again without an MP3 player.
11.28.47 #       <lamed> <sentimental> this is a good reason to thanks again bagder, linusn, zagor, and all people that have joined together under this great project.
11.28.53 #       <lch> So I gotta get a new one.
11.29.00 #       <lamed> lch ouch.
11.29.07 #       <lch> I want an MP3 player *specifically* for using Rockbox.
11.29.13 #       <lch> What would you suggest I get?
11.29.41 #       <ashridah> H140's work well. H3xx's are on the way to working well.
11.29.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It depends. How much do you care about optical in/out?
11.29.52 #       <lamed> i would grab an h300, just because of the usb2go&usbhost.
11.30.01 #       <ashridah> H1xx's are harder to get tho, since they've been discontinued for a while
11.30.29 #       <lch> I got my H140 used on eBay, and it came with two complete sets of extras (two power supplies, two LCD remotes, etc etc).
11.31.05 #       <lch> I don't think I care about optical in/out.  I want it for playing MP3s and OGGs, and don't plan on doing much recording.
11.31.20 #       <lamed> that's nice. i've had a bad fw upgrade at the very first week of purchasing... i send the player and got a new bundle. so i've got everything twice too.
11.31.24 #       <lch> (It'd be really spiffy if it was an easy-to-use voice recorder, but that's totally optional.)
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11.31.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then H340 may be the way to go.
11.32.14 #       <lch> Are H340s still available at retail, or is that an eBay thing?
11.33.02 #       <lch> Also, while there was a lot to love about the H140, the joystick really pissed me off.  It was almost impossible to use properly.  Is the joystick on the H340 nicer?
11.33.31 #       <ashridah> the h3x0 doesn't use a joystick, it has buttons
11.34.14 #       <MrShlee> lch, there isnt a stick as such.. its a pad.
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11.34.43 #       <lch> That's probably better anyway.
11.35.01 #       <lch> So are the H340s discontinued and now an eBay-only item?
11.35.16 #       <markun> I just opened my Gigabeat. Everything's smaller than I imagined somehow.
11.35.30 #       <Rick> markun: no remote though from what i've been told :(
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11.35.47 #       <markun> there is a remote, but without LCD
11.35.51 #       <Rick> ah
11.37.00 #       <ashridah> but, if you've got a H1x0 remote, it'll work (at least, with iriver's firmware, not sure about the status on rockbox yet)
11.37.13 #       <Bger> ashridah: it's OK
11.37.14 #       <markun> I want to look at the back of the LCD, but it's incased in plastic and I don't want to break it
11.37.18 #       <Jungti1234> hi
11.37.43 #       <markun> hi Jungti1234 
11.37.44 #       <Bger> btw, in CVS rockbox only the h100's LCD remote works ok (that's it has the correct button mappings)
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11.38.19 #       <ashridah> ah, so the h1x0 remote is enabled then
11.38.46 #       <Rick> ashridah: er, the h1x0 remote will work with gigabeat?
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11.38.55 #       <Rick> or are you replying to someone else
11.39.01 #       <Bger> ashridah: btw, there is a way to detect the remote type, but we don't know what it is
11.39.14 #       <lch> I think he's replying to me.  the H1x0 remotes will work with the H3x0 players.
11.39.22 #       <Rick> lch: oh yes, they will (:
11.39.25 #       <Rick> and from what I know
11.39.28 #       <Bger> in fact, currently even the non-lcd h300 remote doesn't work with rb
11.39.30 #       <Rick> h3x0 remotes will work with h1x0 too
11.39.36 #       <Rick> (once support is added)
11.39.49 #       <Bger> Rick: yep
11.41.06 #       <lch> So, any place to get an H340 besides eBay?
11.41.26 #       <Rick> i'm sure third party shops still sell them too
11.41.31 #       <Rick> just gotta find ones that have them in stock
11.43.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You can get them from iRiver's online store, in america at least, refurbished.
11.43.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, in the USA at least
11.44.07 #       * Paul_The_Nerd was thinking "iRiverAmerica.com"
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11.44.13 #       <lch> I'm in the USA.
11.44.21 #       <Zak1392> hey guys
11.44.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They're a bit expensive even refurbs though
11.44.27 #       <Jungti1234> Who can help about 'Rockbox Development Kit' to me?
11.44.42 #       <Zak1392> hows it going linus?
11.45.42 #       <Bger> Jungti1234 what about it
11.45.51 #       <Jungti1234> Korean merchants are selling H340 for 250,000 wons.
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11.46.29 #       <Jungti1234> Bger: It isn't installed rightly.
11.47.03 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: They don't seem to be refurbished units.  But they are $400.
11.47.32 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/products.asp?CS=iriver&CategoryID=36&Refresh=True
11.47.41 #       <Rick> whoa
11.47.45 #       <Rick> they are selling them
11.47.46 #       <Jungti1234> lch: Much expensive.
11.47.54 #       <Rick> "Back for a limited time,"
11.48.42 #       <Rick> Jungti1234: costs the same as my h120 when I bought it :P
11.49.15 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
11.49.35 #       <lch> is this coloration on purpose? http://i6.ebayimg.com/03/i/05/85/e7/6c_1.JPG
11.49.51 #       <Rick> O.o
11.49.57 #       <Rick> that looks like a messed up one
11.50.00 #       <Jungti1234> hmm..
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11.50.11 #       <Rick> the lcd looks messed up too
11.50.18 #       <Rick> but that could be a glare
11.50.25 #       <Rick> /reflection
11.50.33 #       <lch> or a polarizing filter on the camera
11.51.02 #       <Zak1392> pmc for $300!
11.51.12 #       <Jungti1234> http://product.iriver.co.kr/down/productPhoto/h320_1.jpg
11.51.51 #       <Rick> pmc?
11.52.02 #       <lch> Jungti1234: that link didn't work for me
11.52.05 #       <Jungti1234> What is PMC?
11.52.14 #       <Zak1392> pmc-120
11.52.19 #       <Jungti1234> PMP?
11.52.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's similar
11.52.44 #       <Zak1392> https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=iriver&RowID=120&All=
11.53.14 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
11.53.15 #       <Jungti1234> pmc..
11.53.41 #       <Jungti1234> I didn't witness it in the South Korea.
11.54.00 #       <Jungti1234> witness -> see
11.56.24 #       <Jungti1234> lch: http://shopping.naver.com/detail/detail.nhn?cat_id=00030000&nv_mid=83634
11.57.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Someone pointed out something, which you can actually see in the screenshot on that page.
11.57.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The "Video" choice in the H3x0 menu has been shown in images of it for quite a while, but it only finally shows up in a release firmware.
11.57.46 #       * Paul_The_Nerd does not know if this is 100% true, as he's never paid much attention to the 3-series, and does not own one.
11.58.22 #       <lch> Jungti1234: I guess different H340s have different "looks" to them.
11.58.36 #       <Jungti1234> Paul_The_Nerd: maybe true.
11.58.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I've also often wondered why there is no H220/240. They skipped 2, for 3.
11.59.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> OR at least, I have never seen one.
11.59.25 #       <Jungti1234> hahaha
11.59.30 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: Well, they're odd units.
11.59.44 #       <Rick> it's possible they did but it never made it past design
11.59.54 #       <Rick> and scrapped it
11.59.57 #       <Jungti1234> They planed H360.
12.00.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And then they made the H10. Which scraps the whole semi-decent numbering scheme.
12.00.27 #       <Rick> hehe
12.00.27 #       <Rick> yeah
12.00.37 #       <Jungti1234> kkk
12.00.41 #       <lch> Well, thanks, y'all.  I just bought that H340 on eBay.  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5836561107
12.01.04 #       <lch> comes with an FM transmitter doohickey too.
12.01.06 #       <Jungti1234> hmm.. -_-;
12.02.06 #       <lch> I looked at the recent history on eBay, and H340s tend to go for $350+.
12.02.08 #       <Rick> hehe
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12.02.14 #       <lch> and that's not counting shipping.
12.02.23 #       <lch> this guy had his on with a Buy It Now of $300, and shipping of $8.
12.02.36 #       <Rick> (:
12.02.38 #       <Rick> grats lch
12.02.43 #       <Jungti1234> good
12.02.45 #       <lch> Rick: thx
12.02.57 #       <Rick> i'm not sure yet if I should go after something newer
12.03.09 #       <lch> I think the other bidders are hoping for a bargain, but the odds are against them.
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12.04.52 #       <Jungti1234> hey
12.04.53 #       <Jungti1234> http://cbingoimage.naver.com/data/bingo_25/imgbingo_8/ramorac/31555/ramorac_9.jpg
12.05.25 #       <Jungti1234> This is PMC-100 series.
12.05.56 #       <Rick> er
12.06.01 #       <Rick> is that a windows logo on that?
12.06.20 #       <Jungti1234> yes
12.06.32 #       <Rick> ah
12.06.35 #       <Rick> must run WindowsCE then
12.06.41 #       <Jungti1234> But ..
12.06.57 #       <Jungti1234> http://cafefiles.naver.net/data3/2004/12/21/261/iRiverPMC-100Front%28M%29.jpg
12.07.21 #       <Rick> what about it?
12.07.25 #       <Rick> different UI?
12.07.49 #       <Jungti1234> I'm confused.
12.08.03 #       <Rick> strange
12.08.14 #       <Jungti1234> It was not announced in Korea.
12.09.32 #       <MrShlee> <Rick> must run WindowsCE then - It means the Microsoft play-it-right compatable.
12.09.39 #       <MrShlee> eg plug it into a Xbox 360 and bingo.
12.09.44 #       <Jungti1234> ah!
12.09.50 #       <Jungti1234> I knew.
12.10.25 #       <Jungti1234> PMC-100 series for export is PMC-100 series.
12.10.29 #       <Jungti1234> oh
12.10.37 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: it looks like the H3x0 remotes are much better than the H1x0 remotes, what with the four-way pad and button.  Do you know if the unit comes with one?
12.10.47 #       <Jungti1234> front is PMP
12.10.49 #       <MrShlee> no LCD
12.10.54 #       <MrShlee> on the H3
12.12.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The H3x0 should come with a non-lcd remote.
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12.12.44 #       <lch> So is this worth buying for $10? http://i1.ebayimg.com/04/i/05/9c/f7/7e_1.JPG
12.12.56 #       <Jungti1234> ah
12.13.09 #       <Jungti1234> It is LCD remote.
12.13.23 #       <seablue> does that work 100% with rockbox?
12.13.33 #       <MrShlee> 99%
12.13.45 #       <seablue> okay
12.13.53 #       <lamed> OMG 1 mb in 10 seconds! weehhheeee
12.13.58 #       <MrShlee> Speaking of ebay.. I paid for something 2 weeks ago
12.14.11 #       <Jungti1234> -_-;
12.14.21 #       <MrShlee> Does ReplayGain use much CPU/Batt life?
12.14.59 #       <MrShlee> I've decided to totally reencode my whole cd collection with OGG/ReplayGain but is it worth the latter?
12.15.05 #       <lch> hey! the H340 I bought looks like it comes iwth the FM transmitter, *and* the cradle, *and* the external battery pack!
12.15.34 #       <MrShlee> yeah.. the H3XX comes with a whole bunch of neat crap
12.15.51 #       <Jungti1234> Why do you need FM transmitter?
12.15.55 #       <lch> MrShlee: Don't mess around, do what I'm doing.  Build a giant RAID array and re-encode your entire CD collection in FLAC.  Then you can re-re-encode it in OGG any time you like.
12.16.14 #       <lch> MrShlee: The H340s on the iRiver America site don't say they come with any of that.
12.16.21 #       <MrShlee> haha Thats actually my dream.. Im building a MythTV/media box soon.
12.16.38 #       <MrShlee> cradle/mic/external power/$80 headphones/power pack..
12.16.40 #       <MrShlee> Really?
12.16.41 #       <lch> Jungti1234: it's for playing MP3s a car that doesn't have a "Line In" jack or a tape deck.
12.17.03 #       <lch> MrShlee: they don't mention it, and you'd think they would. https://secure15.nexternal.com/shared/StoreFront/product_detail.asp?CS=iriver&RowID=103&All=
12.18.17 #       <lch> MrShlee: mine is just for network file serving.  I don't want to have to re-rip my CDs ever again (cross fingers).  it's 1.6TB, RAID-6.
12.18.25 #       <lch> (I have a lot of CDs.)
12.19.08 #       <Slasheri> nice, i have 1.8TB raid-5 but backupping is a problem
12.19.25 #       <lch> Yeah, you basically have to build another RAID if you want to back up.
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12.24.13 #       <MrShlee> lch I have like 4000 cds.. I used to own a record shop :)
12.24.56 #       <lch> MrShlee: congratulations, you have more than I do :)  I'm not sure how many I have, it's gotta be 2500+ though.
12.25.30 #       <Jungti1234> MrShlee: You have much CD. :)
12.25.34 #       <lch> MrShlee: still, I bet a 2TB RAID would store them all.
12.26.04 #       <MrShlee> haha.. you couldn't fit that many FLAC on 2tb?
12.26.09 #       <MrShlee> could you? o_0
12.26.10 #       <lch> FLAC gets about 40% compression, but most CDs aren't full anyway.  So call it 3 per GB.
12.26.24 #       <lch> 1TB = 1024GB
12.26.53 #       <lch> so 4k CDs = 1.3TB (approximately)
12.26.57 #       <MrShlee> might not be a stupid idea.
12.27.10 #       <lch> I sort of hoped it wasn't, 'cause that's what I'm doing. :)
12.27.32 #       <MrShlee> whats the down-cost of that RAID5 tho?
12.27.58 #       <Jungti1234> Doesn't fwpatcher work in windows 98?
12.28.19 #       <lch> MrShlee: I built it myself.  I already had a good Linux server, so it was just the drives and the controllers and a 4-in-3 thing for the front.
12.28.28 #       <lch> MrShlee: total cost was on the order of $2k.
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12.30.01 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: so, if I'm a RockBox n00b, but a technical guy, could I handle the H3x0 port in its current state, or would I be better off to wait?
12.30.37 #       <MrShlee> lch, I use the current state at the moment has my main firmware
12.30.48 #       <MrShlee> its missing FM support and I have NO idea when they plan on fixing that..
12.30.53 #       <lch> MrShlee: you have an H3x0?
12.30.56 #       <MrShlee> but its good at the moment
12.30.58 #       <MrShlee> H340
12.31.53 #       <lch> well, FM is a nice-to-have, not a must-have.
12.32.32 #       <lch> one last question before I put myself to bed.
12.33.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ich: Speaking about rockbox in general, it's not as user friendly as some firmwares try to be. You have to get used to the idea that you're *always* using playlists to play your music. Even if there's not a file, there's one in memory.
12.33.05 #       <lch> my old Archos FM Recorder *works*, except... when you turn it on, it always thinks it's hooked up to a USB host, and goes into USB slave mode.
12.33.14 #       <Jungti1234> lch: What time is there?
12.33.28 #       <lch> Jungti1234: 3:30am.  silicon valley, ca.
12.33.33 #       <Jungti1234> ow
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12.34.20 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: that's a lowercase-l, not a Capital-I, but I forgive you.  anyway, I used to use RockBox on my Archos, during the small window when it *did* work, and I thought it was great.  I'm more worried about the rough edges of the pre-release firmware, installation, etc.
12.34.45 #       <lch> Anyway, someone on #rockbox here told me that the problem (iirc) was "weak / cracked solder joints".
12.35.08 #       <lch> I have opened the thing up, and... now what?  I don't see anything cracked-looking.
12.35.21 #       <lch> I'm no soldering whiz.
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12.35.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lch: In that case, it's not too bad. You *might* want to wait for bootloader v3, as I hear there's a *few* rough edges around that. I haven't heard about a confirmed brick, but a few people have had to revert to stock firmware. Other than that, most of the rough edges seem to relate to the fact that it's only running at 90mhz instead of 120, so can't decode as fast as they'd like it to.
12.36.21 #       <lch> Paul_The_Nerd: where did they get used to 120MHz?  the H1x0 series?
12.36.58 #       <ashridah> there are a few codecs that hit realtime and were then left as is.
12.37.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lch: The H1x0 and H3x0 both use the same processor, which I understand clocks up to 140, though they picked 124 if I recall as their "boost" speed, and 45 I think as their normal speed. But the H3x0 isn't stable while boosting if I understand correctly, so they had to cap it a bit lower.
12.37.39 #       <linuxstb> ashridah: "a few" ?  I thought only vorbis had problems on the h3x0.
12.37.46 #       <ashridah> Paul_The_Nerd: the cpu can do 140, but heat tolerances stop it going higher
12.37.58 #       <ashridah> linuxstb: i was being diplomatic :)
12.38.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Has anyone tested MPC on H3x0 yet?
12.38.29 #       <ashridah> Paul_The_Nerd: (higher than 120 i mean)
12.39.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ashridah: Yeah, I'd known it was due to heat reasons. And hey, that's fine with me. Having my MP3 player not start melting bits of itself and or otherwise failing is always a *plus* in firmware in my book.
12.39.40 #       <ashridah> heh
12.39.53 #       <MrShlee> my collection is with ogg and I havn't had any problem yet? unless I didn't notice/care
12.39.56 #       <MrShlee> what problems?
12.40.08 #       <lch> Considering that RockBox is supposed to be an improvement in all areas, it'd be a pity to add a "Causes your MP3 player to melt" row to the feature comparison matrix and have to put a big red mark in just RockBox's column.
12.40.10 #       <ashridah> MrShlee: depends on the bitrate
12.40.14 #       <Jungti1234> What does *xxx* mean?
12.40.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> MrShlee: It only concerns Q7+ oggs, it seems.
12.40.32 #       <MrShlee> 160 to 230 VBR?
12.40.36 #       <MrShlee> oohk
12.40.41 #       <MrShlee> im encoding everything at 6
12.40.47 #       <ashridah> 1ch: it's a limitation of the hardware, but hardly a major hurdle.
12.40.54 #       <MrShlee> best not be broken :)
12.40.55 #       <lch> Jungti1234: That means you should pretend the characters are in a *bold* font.  Some people also use slashes to mean /italics/.
12.41.11 #       <ashridah> just means you have less cpu to run with. you don't want it running at max cpu speed 24x7 anyway, since that's a waste of battery
12.41.14 #       <Jungti1234> I don't work it.
12.41.54 #       <MrShlee> I don't see why ogg should take more cycles but im guessing mp3 would be pretty tweaked after 11 years or sometihng.
12.42.14 #       <ashridah> MrShlee: vorbis is a much more complicated codecthan mp3
12.42.21 #       <MrShlee> thus my love for it :)
12.42.27 #       <ashridah> and as i say, they got it realtime, then stopped.
12.42.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I dunno lch. If you phrased it correctly. "MP3 player can be heated to the point that it is filled with burning liquid metal and then thrown to debilitate and or slay a foe" it almost sounds like a real feature. ;-)
12.42.34 #       <ashridah> i forget who was working on it at the time.
12.43.15 #       <MrShlee> Im sure I remember a lower tick decoder for vorbis.
12.43.30 #       <lch> MrShlee: one nice thing (of many nice things) of an all-FLAC archive is that you can re-encode whenever you like without any signal degredation.  so I can recode one way for portable players, and another for a hard disk I'd take to work.
12.43.31 #       <ashridah> integer based?
12.44.06 #       <MrShlee> has a weird name.. but I think it stole a wee bit of allocated memory :|
12.44.25 #       <lch> "Tremor"?
12.44.31 #       <MrShlee> lch whats the encode time per cd.
12.44.42 #       <MrShlee> nope.. AuoVora or something..
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12.45.21 #       <MrShlee> but what is wrong with Tremor? too much of a memory hog?
12.45.29 #       <lch> MrShlee: lousy.  like ten minutes, on my 2GHz Athlon 64.
12.45.47 #       <lch> there is a new "low memory" branch for Tremor.
12.45.51 #       <lch> http://svn.xiph.org/branches/lowmem-branch/Tremor/
12.45.55 #       <MrShlee> mmm ok.. my 3500+ 939 should be better.
12.46.06 #       <ashridah> MrShlee: it's difficult to optimise, although someone's working on it again
12.46.33 #       <MrShlee> well *Two thumbs on my behalf*
12.46.36 #       <linuxstb> lch: I'm pretty sure we used the lowmem branch, but I wasn't involved with it.
12.46.53 #       <lch> linuxstb: k
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12.47.39 #       <linuxstb> Maybe we didn't, the README file inside the Rockbox Tremor directory doesn't mention it - it just says Tremor 1.0.2 from SVN.
12.48.12 #       <MrShlee> Tremor = videocodec isn't it :S
12.48.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Tremore is a vorbis encoder
12.48.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Tremor
12.48.35 #       <lch> well, the one at the branch I just linked to says 1.0.0.  which might be telling in its own right.
12.48.59 #       <lch> Tremor is an integer playback decoder for Ogg Vorbis.
12.49.17 #       <MrShlee> ok
12.49.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> decoder
12.49.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Argh. I  seem to have lost that essential connection between thought and fingers.
12.50.52 #       <lch> well, no thoughts on repairing my Archos FM Recorder?
12.50.52 #       <MrShlee> Talk to developers in IRC. They usually are hanging around in #vorbis on irc.freenode.net.  :)
12.51.45 #       <ashridah> given that there's no malloc available in rockbox, i wouldn't have assumed that's a problem
12.53.35 #       <ashridah> would have expected the fact that we just piled some critical regions into iram and then left it without optimising an mdct implementation for it
12.53.43 #       <ashridah> to be the biggest issue
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12.54.16 #       <lch> ah, well, I reckon not.
12.54.24 #       <lch> thanks, y'all, hope my H340 shows up soon.
12.54.25 #       <lch> g'night
12.54.29 #       <ashridah> which is something that people are beginning to look at now
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12.55.22 #       <Jungti1234> http://www.lowing.org/fonts/
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13.05.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "A qubyte with eight ions provides a computing matrix of 65536 mostly independent elements." There's something about the phrase "mostly independent elements" that worries me for some reason.
13.05.35 #       <ashridah> ah, quantum computing is an interesting pickle.
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13.06.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I keep reading about quantum computing, and I keep thinking about how 'quantum' things often seem to also be 'uncertain' things and I start thinking "Wouldn't it be odd if you never knew something had been compiled until you looked, and then when you did it decided not to be?"
13.06.53 #       <ashridah> quantum computing doesn't quite work that way. the actual method programming a quantum computer is a feat of ingenuity in and of itself.
13.07.06 #       <ashridah> nevermind that they don't have a computer to run the program on yet
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13.07.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
13.07.13 #       <ashridah> but when they do, cryptography is screwed
13.07.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, I've actually done quite a bit of reading about it.
13.07.37 #       <ashridah> i mean, finished in 1 minute screwed, no matter the size of the keys, costing no more than the effort needed to generate enough qubits
13.07.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Apparently they've finally created the first entanglement of 8 qubits to make a qubyte, or so I read.
13.07.48 #       * ashridah nods
13.07.49 #       <ashridah> i read that too
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13.08.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah well, there's some clever people in cryptography. Once it's no longer needed, they can apply that cleverness somewhere else.
13.08.38 #       <merbanan> ashridah: well they have quantum encryption, hard to crack
13.08.40 #       <cannard> rockbox?
13.09.28 #       <ashridah> merbanan: that relies on a foolproof method of generating a one time pad tho (which is the only encryption that can't be broken by quantum computers)
13.09.48 #       <Bagder> cannard: indeed!
13.09.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, a one time pad has been the best way you can encrypt something for quite a long time.
13.10.06 #       <ashridah> merbanan: that said, there is a way to do that, using a suitably qualitative optic fibre and a phone line, and a bunch of polarised photons and filters
13.10.44 #       <merbanan> ashridah: I didn't say it would be easy or cheap :)
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13.11.10 #       <ashridah> it's not perfect, but with enough bits, it's possible to get 99.99999999% sure no-one's stolen the key.
13.12.16 #       <markun> Bagder: I could commit the unicode patch and disable arabic support for the recorder until the compressed rockbox is build
13.12.22 #       <ashridah> which, given that humans are stupid is pretty good :)
13.12.57 #       <Bagder> markun: I'm not the man to ask/talk to about it, since I have not checked out the unicode stuff at all
13.13.03 #       <merbanan> ashridah: well, that's one thing that won't change in the future
13.13.07 #       <Nixsos> where can i find the documentation of the ./apps/plugin.h file?
13.13.17 #       <MrShlee> most of it relies on nanoseconds of time.. to make sure the signal isnt monitors. they can detect the smallest change in latacy.
13.13.56 #       <markun> Bagder: I was more or less waiting till you would change the makefiles to make a compressed rockbox for the player. I wouldn't know where to start :)
13.14.18 #       <Bagder> markun: I'm waiting for more feedback from amiconn on that
13.14.21 #       <ashridah> merbanan: exactly, it's easier to just bribe or kill someone
13.16.39 #       <markun> Bagder: ok, he'll probably read this and give you more feedback :)
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13.18.49 #       <Jungti1234> -_-;
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13.33.37 #       <MrShlee> *Sings Spam Spam Spam Spam Lovely Spam*
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13.34.12 #       <Jungti1234> haha
13.34.37 #       <Bagder> and baked beans!
13.35.26 #       <Jungti1234> ¾Æ³ö ÇѱÛÀ» ¾²°í½Í´Ù
13.35.56 #       * Bagder suspects Jungti1234 fell asleep and that was the result of his head on the keyboard
13.36.17 #       <Jungti1234> _-- no!!
13.37.07 #       <Bagder> don't be shy, admit it!
13.37.10 #       <Bagder> :-)
13.37.26 #       <Jungti1234> hehehe
13.37.56 #       <Jungti1234> In fact, I'm tired.
13.38.19 #       <Jungti1234> I had gone to DMZ today.
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13.39.10 #       <ashridah> demilitarized zone?
13.39.27 #       <MrShlee> Cisco router?
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13.39.29 #       <Jungti1234> yes
13.39.30 #       * ashridah wonders why Jungti1234 needed to travel to get to a firewall
13.39.39 #       <ashridah> :)
13.39.57 #       <mirak> hey
13.39.59 #       <mirak> anyone know how much can host the wiki ?
13.40.03 #       <Jungti1234> Is it strange?
13.40.17 #       <Bagder> mirak: how much what?
13.40.25 #       <ashridah> Jungti1234: we're poking fun at you. I assume you mean the border between north and south korea?
13.40.50 #       <Jungti1234> right
13.40.55 #       <MrShlee> mirak.. a basic wiki requires apache with php as a base. Some use mysql but thats a little overkill.
13.41.03 #       <ashridah> Jungti1234: how far is that trip from where you live?
13.41.11 #       <MrShlee> pmwiki is a GREAT wiki for most projects
13.41.15 #       <Bagder> our wiki is perl
13.41.26 #       <Jungti1234> ashridah: A little far.
13.41.27 #       <Bagder> twiki
13.41.36 #       <MrShlee> Im a pmwiki fan.. I've modded it for like 6 pages I've made. works great
13.42.11 #       <mirak> Bagder: the size in mega bytes
13.42.49 #       <mirak> Bagder: that's about the doxygen doc that I find usefull
13.42.58 #       <mirak> to browse and understand the code
13.43.11 #       <Bagder> mirak: well, if people add lots, it will grow lots
13.43.14 #       <mirak> I think it's to big anyway ^^
13.43.27 #       <Jungti1234> oh.. ^^
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13.43.39 #       <mirak> the autogenrated doc is like a mini website
13.43.41 #       <Bagder> rockbox's wiki seems to be about 155MB
13.43.46 #       <mirak> autogenerated
13.43.57 #       <mirak> badger ok lol, the doc is already that size
13.44.05 #       <Jungti1234> Orientals use often '^^'.
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13.44.33 #       <Jungti1234> bye all
13.44.35 #       <Zagor> Bagder: that's excluding the attachments. in total it's about 750 MB.
13.44.39 #       <Bagder> yes, I just noticed
13.44.43 #       <Jungti1234> I see TV.
13.44.46 #       <ashridah> whoa
13.45.01 #       <Jungti1234> bye
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13.45.07 #       <Bagder> lots of huge attachments
13.45.20 #       <mirak> Bagder: pictures etcetera that's true
13.45.25 #       <Zagor> mirak: please use your real name when registering in the wiki
13.45.33 #       <mirak> Zagor: lol, I am busted
13.46.03 #       <mirak> Zagor: I don't want my pseudonyme to be bound to my name
13.46.11 #       <MrShlee> doxygen is good tho.. but you NEED to keep the code commented
13.46.16 #       <Zagor> then don't write your pseudonym
13.46.20 #       <ashridah> then don't use your pseudonym in
13.46.22 #       <ashridah> it
13.46.33 #       <mirak> MrShlee: even without comments that's still very usefull to browse the code
13.46.39 #       <mirak> ashridah: yep
13.46.39 #       <Bagder> I never see any good doxygen docs
13.46.57 #       <mirak> can I use a fake name ?
13.47.09 #       <mirak> what's the point in using my real name ?
13.47.14 #       <Zagor> why? are you a feared criminal?
13.49.39 #       <mirak> I am ossama
13.49.40 #       <MrShlee> not so much feared.. 
13.49.51 #       <mirak> mmm you removed my account ?
13.49.56 #       <Moos> mirak: do you shame your arabic name?
13.50.03 #       <MrShlee> in that case.. not much of a criminal 
13.50.24 #       <Zagor> mirak: "We will delete your registration without notice if you break this rule."
13.50.54 #       <MrShlee> mirak show me a good working example of doxygen?
13.51.19 #       <mirak> MrShlee: I can show you what I generated, but depends what you exept
13.51.23 #       <mirak> Zagor: I will change it
13.51.51 #       <MrShlee> plain html it.
13.52.59 #       <mirak> http://mirak.homelinux.net/~karim/public/rockdoxy_En/html/
13.53.10 #       <MrShlee> http://dbus.freedesktop.org/doc/api/html/index.html thats pretty funked
13.53.20 #       <mirak> there is some werid things like flack as main page
13.54.10 #       <mirak> MrShlee: well I found it usefull for me. That's still better than browsing cvs or using emacs. That's my opinion only
13.55.20 #       <mirak> that's parametrable. What I did was maybe a bit heavy on the graphs
13.55.53 #       <mirak> I also inlined the code function instead of having to follow references to the *.c files
13.56.28 #       <markun> mirak: your nick is your name spelled backwards?
13.57.10 #       <mirak> markun: yes
13.57.23 #       <linuxstb> mirak: How does doxygen deal with the 14 different devices, target/x11sim/win32sim versions and normal/debug builds?
13.57.38 #       <mirak> hum, I am not sure how to edit my preferences
13.58.24 #       <mirak> linuxstb: I think there is preprocessor handeling, but that's just to browse and have a global view of the project
13.58.39 #       <mirak> linuxstb: maybe you should try it and genrated things according to what you need
13.59.06 #       <linuxstb> I've lived happily without it.  I'm just curious how it could work.
13.59.07 #       <mirak> I used doxygen because I couldn't find a good IDE to browse code and learn it
13.59.42 #       <mirak> well first time I used it was to understand how emule was coded. emule is a real mess :-/
14.00.23 #       <mirak> I have noticed it can produce UML diagrams. I am not sure what it would be like for C language
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14.00.56 #       <MrShlee> UML is an annoyance.
14.00.59 #       <MrShlee> never seen it done right.
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14.01.23 #       <mirak> in open source project that's not common
14.01.54 #       <mirak> almost impossible imho for open source
14.02.27 #       <mirak> I mean open source collaborative programming on the web
14.04.06 #       <Nixsos> i don't really like doxygen's output... it looks kinda bloated
14.04.11 #       <mirak> help, I can't find ow to change my profile
14.05.10 #       <mirak> Nixsos: I am not trying to sell doxygen, but that's parametrable
14.05.46 #       <Nixsos> mirak: i know, i guess it's better then nothing at all
14.06.57 #       <Nixsos> what about MSDN's documentation style?
14.07.11 #       <MrShlee> I've been looking for a OS MSDN clone.
14.07.55 #       <MrShlee> I think having doxygen would be a good idea BUT would it handle the continuious changes. or need to re-organise itsel?
14.08.10 #       <mirak> Nixsos: I would have used visual c++ as an alternative but I am on linux
14.08.33 #       <mirak> MrShlee: we would need to regenerate the code
14.09.03 #       <mirak> MrShlee: doing it everyday is not a very good idea
14.09.24 #       <mirak> sorry, I can't edit my account
14.09.30 #       <mirak> I am an assisted person
14.09.36 #       <MrShlee> RESYNC the tree every few days might be a good option
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14.12.04 #       <mirak> it's a bit long to generate, and a bit BIG
14.12.06 #       <mirak> ^^
14.12.48 #       <Bagder> long?
14.13.03 #       <Bagder> how can running doxygen take very long?
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14.13.24 #       <Bagder> or what did I miss? ;-)
14.13.50 #       <mirak> it took half an hour on a a64 3000
14.14.11 #       <mirak> but I generated a graph for each attribute
14.14.13 #       <Bagder> for how much code? the entire rockbox tree?
14.14.13 #       <mirak> and method
14.14.18 #       <mirak> that's maybe not usefull
14.14.21 #       <mirak> yep
14.14.27 #       <Bagder> 200K lines source code
14.14.40 #       <Bagder> that's not long by my way of counting ;-)
14.14.43 #       <mirak> I have a problem with the wiki, I can't reset my password
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14.18.33 #       <Zagor> mirak: what happens when you try?
14.19.04 #       <mirak> Zagor: wrong password. I created a new account with an accurate name. I sent a mail to say to delete the other one
14.19.36 #       <Zagor> i've already done that
14.22.19 #       <mirak> I as trying to change it without succes during all this time ...
14.22.23 #       <mirak> was
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14.41.47 #       <Lamed> bug: load a playlist with dead links. causes the player to stop responding & h.d to always spin. you can shut down by  holding the stop button. most annoying part is if you had 'resume on startup' on, you won't be able to cancel the loading.
14.41.48 #       <Bagder> I got a private reply about a rockbox bug report
14.42.00 #       <Bagder> without any mention which report he refers to
14.42.09 #       <Bagder> great
14.43.27 #       <linuxstb> Lamed: Is that a playlist where every entry points to a non-existent file?
14.44.21 #       <Lamed> yeah
14.44.45 #       <preglow> Lamed: i think that was fixed yesterday...
14.44.55 #       <Lamed> i'll check
14.45.08 #       <Lamed> it happend about the day before.
14.46.42 #       <Lamed> preglow: do you know if anyone went through my patch?
14.55.11 #       <markun> Lamed: what patch did you make?
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14.59.41 #       <MrShlee> im guessing there isn't a nice and easy way to create skins..
15.00.26 #       <Bagder> only if you count the current themes as skins
15.00.44 #       <MrShlee> same thing different name :)
15.02.09 #       <Kingstone> it's rockbox.org?
15.02.10 #       <Lamed> markum: why did you reverted the pause...?
15.02.40 #       <LinusN> Lamed: we beat him into submission
15.03.05 #       <LinusN> Kingstone: ?
15.03.14 #       <Lamed> ..i assume it wasn't discussed before?
15.03.43 #       <Lamed> (linusn)
15.03.56 #       <Lamed> markum: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1360892
15.04.10 #       <LinusN> i actually approved the commit, but we later decided that we didn't like it
15.05.45 #       <Lamed> imho without really looking at it working, it seems like a good idea.
15.06.48 #       <Lamed> quick poll: what do you use to sync computer / player?
15.06.55 #       <Bagder> rsync
15.07.01 #       <Zagor> rsync
15.07.14 #       <LinusN> cp
15.07.37 #       <crwl> cp 
15.07.47 #       <CoCoLUS> drag and drop :)
15.07.53 #       <crwl> no, in fact i mostly use oggenc
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15.07.56 #       <crwl> and cp for mp3 files
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15.08.16 #       <crwl> (i encode to my CD's to FLAC)
15.08.35 #       <preglow> i don't sync, i just copy what i think i'm going to want to listen to
15.08.39 #       <preglow> and delete when i grow tired of it
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15.12.05 #       <Lamed> preglow: wow. that's silly.
15.12.09 #       <preglow> why?
15.12.13 #       <Lamed> :P
15.12.23 #       <preglow> haven't got enough space for all my music anyway
15.12.28 #       <Lamed> how much music do you own?
15.12.30 #       <preglow> and that's all my legally owned music i'm talking about
15.12.36 #       <Lamed> hehe
15.12.52 #       <Lamed> gigs?
15.13.00 #       <preglow> god knows, i'm not at home right now
15.13.46 #       <Lamed> ah.
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15.14.22 #       <Lamed> can you direct me to a place i can read about decibels and why are they marked from - to zero?
15.14.48 #       <MrShlee> The idea of encoding my collection again is a scary task..
15.14.51 #       <MrShlee> but its going to be worth it.
15.14.52 #       <Zagor> decibel isn't. attenuation is.
15.14.54 #       <MrShlee> soo worth it!
15.14.58 #       <cannard> beat me to it
15.15.33 #       <MrShlee> is there a howto for WPS?
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15.16.33 #       <MrShlee> also.. I've successfully flashed 1.29-EU with V2
15.16.37 #       <MrShlee> works like a charm.
15.17.31 #       <Lamed> zagor: ok. so what's the max decible you can record at?
15.17.35 #       <preglow> Lamed: 0
15.17.49 #       <preglow> Lamed: if you're speaking digital, 0db always means the max level before you clip
15.18.36 #       <preglow> -6db is half full scale
15.18.42 #       <preglow> -12db is a quarter full scale
15.20.02 #       <Lamed> what's totally silence then?  (and you're talking about 'attenuation' again, right?)
15.20.11 #       <preglow> -infinity
15.20.31 #       <preglow> you can't express total silence in decibels and still use a finite number
15.20.44 #       <preglow> -oo dB = all zeros
15.21.49 #       <Zagor> 0db is total silence if you're talking sound pressure (instead of attenuation)
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15.22.46 #       <Zagor> but attenuation is relative, hence the - sign
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15.23.05 #       <TiMiD> hi !
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15.24.30 #       <Lamed> when we're talking about volume increasing and decreasing, in those systems that uses - to zero values, we're talking attenuation, and that's how much you decrease from the full scale, which would be using zero. you thoreticly pass the zero to a positive number, but then when the (real?) decibel pressure of the track goes high (near full) you'll get clipping. right?
15.25.04 #       <DocBrown> LinusN: Hi! I have been very busy last 2 days, could not experiment with the bootloader. But I saw from the logs that you found a workaround?
15.25.05 #       <preglow> yes
15.25.09 #       <Lamed>  you thoreticly pass the zero = theoraticly _can_ pass
15.25.35 #       <preglow> Lamed: sure, you can pass the zero if the data type you use has enough room, but then you need to scale it before passing it to the dac, or you'll get clipping
15.25.54 #       <LinusN> DocBrown: i have found what makes it behave badly, but i have yet to find out why
15.26.50 #       <DocBrown> LinusN: So there seems to be a difference in hardware, right?
15.26.59 #       <Lamed> ok then, why do both attenuation & decibels use DB sign? 
15.27.19 #       <LinusN> DocBrown: yes, somehow
15.27.34 #       <preglow> Lamed: because it's a nice way to represent gains and attenuations. it compacts a very large number space into a small one
15.28.14 #       <preglow> Lamed: instead of saying you gain something by 0.000045, you can say you gain something by -80 dB (fictional example, but orders of magnitude are almost righT)
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15.36.56 #       <DocBrown> LinusN: What is the differende in booting time?
15.38.43 #       <Lamed> so, there's no real way to acctually determine how strong is the output in decibels, and thus using a scale of 0 - 100 is quite the same. insnt so?
15.39.06 #       <MrShlee> any update on boosting the output on the irivers?
15.39.21 #       <Bagder> boosting output?
15.39.32 #       <MrShlee> 100% is loud but could be louder.. even tho the quality seems better then offical firmware
15.39.48 #       <Bagder> then lower your bass/treble
15.39.55 #       <MrShlee> but that might be a placebo effect of using rockbox
15.40.14 #       <Lamed> that's because of the prescaling
15.40.25 #       <Lamed> its different in rockbox then the official firmware
15.40.35 #       <Bagder> different decoders too
15.40.59 #       <Lamed> with the official firmware when you put the volume to the max, your bass setting automaticly drops.
15.41.28 #       <mirak> hi
15.41.42 #       <Lamed> (preglow: acctually, I've checked, and there is a slight diffrence between bass set to full / without even with volume set to max using org. fw)
15.41.43 #       <mirak> the linux patcher can only be obtained from CVS right ?
15.41.58 #       <Bagder> or any source package
15.42.08 #       <Bagder> like daily or bleeding I mean
15.42.18 #       <mirak> I have CVS it should be ok
15.45.03 #       <mirak> when I try to build for H300 I get that error : as: unrecognized option `-m5200'
15.45.19 #       <mirak> it happnes on backlight.c, one of the first file
15.45.21 #       <Bagder> and how did you build your cross-compiler?
15.45.36 #       <mirak> I followed the wiki
15.45.41 #       <mirak> maybe bad
15.45.55 #       <mirak> Using m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.4 (304)
15.46.01 #       <mirak> I have the cross compiler
15.46.27 #       <Lamed> new
15.46.27 #       <Lamed> line?
15.46.31 #       <Lamed> -cool
15.46.32 #       <mirak> what ?
15.46.48 #       <linuxstb> mirak: What about binutils?  Which version is m68k-elf-as 
15.46.50 #       <mirak> in the make file ?
15.46.50 #       <Lamed> i 
15.46.51 #       <Lamed> can
15.46.51 #       <Lamed> newline
15.49.55 #       <mirak> ok it wasn't in the pas
15.49.56 #       <mirak> path
15.52.41 #       <mirak> weird I have some binaries in it, and some are no
15.52.42 #       <mirak> not
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16.01.28 #       <Noel_sad_song> Hi ppl!!! As I saw the news I tried to patch the 1.66 but still doesn't work... Has it not been released yet?
16.03.42 #       <markun> Noel_sad_song: Did you use the windows patcher?
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16.05.02 #       <Noel_sad_song> I downloaded the fwpatcher.exe from iriverboot
16.05.12 #       <Noel_sad_song> is that what you mean?
16.05.44 #       <markun> yes, I don't think it's updated yet.
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16.07.17 #       <preglow> FWPatcher - added support for H1x0 v1.66 and H3x0 v1.29
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16.08.24 #       <Noel_sad_song> that is why I gave it a try... but I guess it's being tested or sth...
16.08.25 #       <Bagder> someone just verified the 1.66 EU patch
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16.15.22 #       <Noel_sad_song> what do you mean Bagder? sorry I didn't get it :-/
16.15.43 #       <Bagder> there are people on the wiki page saying it worked for them
16.16.05 #       <lostlogicx> Rockbox build query:  I have a set of profiling functions designed to be called using gcc's -finstrument-functions switch, these functions reside in firmware/profile.c with header in firmware/export/profile.h   How can I make codecs link against them properly?  Or do I have to biuld a separate profile library that both librockbox and lib<Codec> link against?  (thread.c and timer.c also need to call back to profiling functions)
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16.17.45 #       <linuxstb> You should probably export the functions via the codec API.
16.18.03 #       <linuxstb> Or move your profile functions into the codec library.
16.19.28 #       <lostlogicx> linuxstb: want to be able to proflie system things too eventually maybe.  I'll export them in the codec API and the plugin API... now on with the rehacking the build system to support all of this, and configuring profiling per-plugin / per-codec.  Thanks.
16.20.48 #       <lostlogicx> Oh, another thought: Want to rehack timer.c to support timers that DO or DO NOT rescale when the CPU clock changes, good idea or bad idea?
16.23.15 #       <mirak> make[2]: *** No rule to make target `/home/karim/Prog/src/rockbox/rockbox/docs/CREDITS', needed by `/home/karim/Prog/src/rockbox/rockbox/buildir/apps/plugins/credits.raw'.  Stop.
16.23.19 #       <mirak> I got that error
16.23.38 #       <mirak> when building
16.23.55 #       <Bagder> use 'make V=1' to diagnose
16.24.19 #       <Bagder> but it looks like you don't have the docs dir or something
16.24.43 #       <mirak> yeah I don't have it
16.25.29 #       <mirak> Bagder: should be in the root ?
16.25.33 #       <Bagder> yes
16.25.52 #       <Bagder> cvs co docs
16.29.27 #       <mirak> Bagder: thanks. it worked. 
16.29.46 #       <mirak> I am not sure what I built noow O_o
16.30.07 #       <mirak> shouldn't I have a .rockbox folder or something resembling to that ?
16.30.12 #       <Bagder> no
16.30.25 #       <mirak> a binary ?
16.30.41 #       <Bagder> yes
16.30.43 #       <mirak> oh yeah sorry
16.30.50 #       <mirak> it's not executable
16.30.53 #       <Bagder> use 'make zip' to make a package to install
16.30.58 #       <mirak> was not in green in the terminal
16.31.06 #       <mirak> thanks
16.31.35 #       <Lamed> how do i &> into file and both into the screen or into | more?
16.31.44 #       <LinusN> tee
16.31.53 #       <Bagder> | tee filename | more
16.32.02 #       <LinusN> (which i *bet* is not in the devkit) :-)
16.32.07 #       <Bagder> hahaha
16.32.20 #       <Lamed> tt, wail i'll tell you if it is...
16.32.37 #       <Bagder> but more is?
16.32.51 #       <Lamed> yep. stop mucking at it...
16.33.05 #       <Lamed> (doesn't have which though)
16.33.17 #       <Lamed> has tee
16.33.25 #       <LinusN> wow
16.33.28 #       <Lamed> hehe
16.33.41 #       <linuxstb> Does it have less?
16.36.07 #       <Lamed> stop mucking at it
16.36.14 #       <Lamed> :P
16.36.48 #       <Lamed> it's _really_ hard to get around an unknown platform
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16.37.35 #       <mirak> what's the method to build the firmware patcher for linux ?
16.37.52 #       <Bagder> the exact same, just select bootloader with configure
16.38.29 #       <Bagder> then follow the steps on the IriverBoot page to make the actual patched iriver hex file
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16.39.40 #       <mirak> I mean the patcher
16.39.49 #       <mirak> not bootloader, even if that was usefull :p
16.40.13 #       <mirak> fwpatcher Bagder 
16.40.45 #       <Bagder> build the bootloader bin
16.40.47 #       <Bagder> first
16.40.54 #       <LinusN> mirak: to build the patcher, you need to download the three bootloader bin files from the wiki
16.41.09 #       <mirak> Bagder: it's done
16.41.11 #       <LinusN> put them in the same dir as the patcher and type "make"
16.41.27 #       <LinusN> mirak: do NOT build your own bootloader.bin
16.41.37 #       <mirak> LinusN: yeah I heard that
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16.41.51 #       <_FireFly_> hi TiMiD :)
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16.42.41 #       <San> anything new lads?
16.44.03 #       <mirak> LinusN: I miss something, it talks about mingw31
16.44.08 #       <mirak> i586-mingw32msvc-windres -v resource.rc resource.o
16.44.17 #       <Bagder> mirak: yes, since it builds a windows tool
16.44.23 #       <LinusN> yes, you need a win32 cross compiler
16.44.40 #       <mirak> lol
16.44.45 #       <LinusN> mirak: why do you want to build fwpatcher?
16.45.13 #       <mirak> that's not the procedure ?
16.45.25 #       <Bagder> to do what?
16.45.30 #       <mirak> how do I get a patched firmware
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16.45.56 #       <Bagder> did you read IriverBoot ?
16.46.10 #       <Bagder> you should
16.46.20 #       <Bagder> it explains how to get rockbox installed
16.46.31 #       <mirak> I am on it
16.46.42 #       <Bagder> once you've installed the bootloader, you only upgrade files - no more flashing
16.46.51 #       <_FireFly_> then there is explaned how to do it under linux to get the firmware patched
16.47.52 #       <mirak> _FireFly_: where ?
16.48.14 #       <mirak> Bagder: I think I got that point, but to do it on linux I don't know
16.48.27 #       <Bagder> that page describes it
16.48.49 #       <_FireFly_> mirak: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Patching_the_iriver_firmware
16.48.50 #       <Bagder> at least it did
16.48.54 #       <_FireFly_> it does
16.49.02 #       <_FireFly_> it seams he is a bit blind ;)
16.49.02 #       <Bagder> right, that's the part
16.50.01 #       <mirak> I agree I am blind because I don't see it
16.50.18 #       <Bagder> click on _FireFly_'s latest URL
16.50.26 #       <Bagder> takes you right to the step-by-step
16.50.43 #       <mirak> I was on it
16.50.51 #       <Bagder> and what's wrong with it?
16.50.52 #       <mirak> it's not said it's for linnux
16.51.05 #       <Bagder> it works the same on all oses
16.51.06 #       <mirak> but now I know it
16.51.19 #       <mirak> why is there a patcher.exe for windows ?
16.51.24 #       <Bagder> its just that windows has an alternative more fancy version as well
16.51.33 #       <mirak> in fact I exepted that. that was misleading
16.51.37 #       <mirak> ok
16.51.53 #       <_FireFly_> Bagder: it wouldn't be too hard to make a shell-script to do it
16.51.59 #       <Bagder> nope
16.52.46 #       <markun> mirak: maybe you can update the page to make it clearer if you think it's not
16.52.48 #       <mirak> can I just change the arch PREFIX ?
16.52.53 #       <linuxstb> fwpatcher probably works fine under Wine as well.
16.53.07 #       <mirak> markun: ok, once I figure how to use the wiki ;)
16.53.09 #       <_FireFly_> mirak: which PREFIX ??
16.53.24 #       <mirak> #value for crosscompiling on linux
16.53.24 #       <mirak> PREFIX=i586-mingw32msvc-
16.53.34 #       <mirak> why a crosscompile is only possible ?
16.53.42 #       <Bagder> mirak: fwpatcher is a windows tool
16.53.59 #       <mirak> you mean the source etcetera ?
16.54.00 #       <Bagder> feel free to write one for linux or port fwpatcher
16.54.28 #       <Kohlrabi> Can anyone tell me if midi-playback (or midi2wav) works on iRiver?
16.54.34 #       <Kohlrabi> And how, if it does? :)
16.54.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It doesn't yet.
16.54.46 #       <Kohlrabi> ahke
16.55.03 #       <Kohlrabi> too bad, I'm in MI2-mood again :)
16.55.05 #       <mirak> Bagder: that's a gui tool ?
16.55.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It will convert a midi to a wav, but it doesn't write the file to disk. It's more of a benchmark.
16.55.11 #       <Bagder> mirak: yes
16.55.22 #       <mirak> ok, I though it was command line
16.55.25 #       <Kohlrabi> ah, OK, thx
16.55.27 #       <Bagder> mirak: with the rockbox bootloader images built-in
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16.55.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As far as I know, the code's all there, and with some optimizing it could become a codec.
16.55.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I'm by no means an authority on it.
16.55.51 #       <mirak> Bagder: the gui  part cannot be striped out ?
16.56.07 #       <Bagder> mirak: yes, and those tools exist already
16.56.15 #       <Bagder> as the wiki page describes
16.56.56 #       <mirak> as you noticed I have problems reading the wiki
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16.57.10 #       <Bagder> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot#Patching_the_iriver_firmware
16.57.25 #       <Bagder> descramble, mkboot, scramble
16.57.26 #       <Bagder> done
16.57.54 #       <mirak> oh yeah, we figured that together for me 10 minutes ago
16.57.56 #       <mirak> ^^
16.58.15 #       <Bagder> the fwpatcher does those operations, with a gui
16.58.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The fwpatcher also checks the checksums internally too, doesn't it?
16.58.36 #       <Bagder> yes
16.58.56 #       <markun> mirak: download the rockbox source and run 'make' in tools. It will give you descramble, mkboot, scramble
16.59.15 #       <mirak> markun: it's ok, I have that
16.59.17 #       <Bagder> not anymore ;-)
16.59.23 #       <Bagder> run make in the build dir now
16.59.29 #       <markun> Ah, yes :)
17.01.31 #       <mirak> it's ok, I have it, thanks
17.01.34 #       <mirak> with good md5
17.04.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why does it call the 100/110/115 iHP but the 120/140 H120 and H140 in configure?
17.05.04 #       <Bagder> an attempt to scam money from casual readers!
17.05.07 #       <Bagder> ;*)
17.05.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
17.05.22 #       <Bagder> no reason really, it just ended up like that
17.05.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mine *clearly* says iHP-120 on the front. :-P
17.05.52 #       <Bagder> mine says H140
17.06.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't think Hewlett Packard should've been able to sue effectively.
17.06.59 #       <mirak> ok it works on my H300
17.07.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You *shouldn't* be able to own an abbreviation.
17.07.11 #       <mirak> with 1.29 kr 
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17.08.26 #       <Febs> Paul_The_Nerd:  Why not?  An abbreviation can become associated with a particular company or product in the mind of the public as much as any other word.
17.08.28 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: Hewlett Packard also have a product called HP 120. 
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17.10.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Febs: So that should prevent others with something that validly abbreviates to the same thing from using it. Or even an abbreviation that contains there?
17.10.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, it's not like they called it HP-120, but rather iHP-120. iRiver Harddisk Player, probably.
17.12.02 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
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17.13.13 #       <mirak> funny, the scroll speed text exemple is to short to have a scrolling :)
17.14.17 #       <Febs> Paul_The_Nerd:  that is the nature of a trademark.  If a word or phrase or marking has gained secondary meaning (i.e., the public associates it with a particular brand, product or company) then that company can claim trademark protection.
17.14.42 #       * Febs notes that his knowledge is limited to the U.S.
17.15.09 #       <Febs> IBM comes to mind as an example. 
17.15.35 #       <Febs> MS-DOS as another.
17.15.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Febs: But you still have to prove that there's potential for confusion when trying to assert trademark infringement
17.15.59 #       <Febs> Absolutely.
17.16.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The iRiver players are pretty clearly marked as non HP branded
17.16.57 #       <Febs> But you're iriver, you need to weigh the cost of defending an infringement claim and the risk of losing against the cost of rebranding the product.
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17.17.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> True, it was cheaper for them.
17.17.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It just seem ridiculous that there was even any risk to them at all.
17.18.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah well. The iHP line is dead anyway. I don't think the H10 is reasonably a descendent of it.
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17.19.09 #       <Febs> I agree.  The H10 is a different branch on the iriver tree.
17.19.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Apparently it's supposed to be the first DAP that officially interacts with the new XBox 360.
17.20.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Now there's an unholy union if ever I heard of one.
17.21.09 #       <Febs> Hmmpph.  From what I read on Mistic River, the H10 has trouble interacting with its own firmware.
17.21.23 #       <linuxstb> Is the H10 a portalplayer device?
17.21.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I think so.
17.22.06 #       <LinusN> yes it is
17.22.14 #       <Febs> Apparently so:  http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.2633
17.22.19 #       <linuxstb> Then it's crying out for a Rockbox port.  A _lot_ of the ipod code will work on there as well.
17.22.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
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17.26.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It'd be pretty well received, I imagine
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17.28.23 #       <Amar> Is there a page that explains how to write plugins for rockbox including how to specify which models it works on?
17.30.02 #       <linuxstb> Amar: Not as far as I know.  You just need to look at the source for the existing plugins, and ask questions here.
17.31.07 #       <mirak> ok, I have one grief about rockbox
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17.31.33 #       <Nixsos> Amar: i'm currently working on a plugin myself.. maybe we can help eachother
17.31.38 #       <mirak> it's just that when the backlight is off, and you press a key, this key have an effect
17.31.46 #       <mirak> unless it's parametrable
17.31.53 #       <mirak> not sure yet
17.32.20 #       <Amar> linuxstb: I have been looking at the code, the bit i don't get:how to specify which models it works on?
17.32.27 #       <mirak> on the original firmware, pressing a button just enable the light, without going throu
17.32.49 #       <linuxstb> Amar: Generally speaking, you don't.  Plugins should work on all devices.
17.33.24 #       <Amar> thanks, i'll keep trying
17.33.25 #       <Nixsos> Amar: which device are you targetting?
17.33.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> mirak: Right now, pressing a button always goes through. The toggling hold on and then off again should turn on the backlight without doing anything.
17.33.40 #       <linuxstb> The idea is to make your plugin adjust itself to different types of targets - e.g. using LCD_WIDTH and LCD_HEIGHT to adjust the display to different LCDs
17.33.59 #       <mirak> Paul_The_Nerd: yep, that's what I did ;)
17.34.07 #       <Amar> i use a h300, but if it can work on others i am not bothered
17.34.23 #       <mirak> Amar: what the plugin you want to write ?
17.36.01 #       <Amar> mirak: verry specialised, probabaly not of any use to anyone else but just as a leaning project
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17.37.19 #       <Amar> mirak: it will be based around a stopwach, thet can predict the finish time of a realay race
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17.40.45 #       <Febs> I've been using the REC button to toggle the backlight.
17.42.25 #       <Febs> I like that the other buttons respond immediately without having to press once to light the backlight and another time to do whatever you're trying to do.
17.42.57 #       <NicoFR> I find it nice now that I'm used to it
17.43.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> With iRiver FW, if you pressed a button on the remote, did it react instantly, or turn on the light?
17.43.55 #       <NicoFR> react instantly IIRC
17.43.59 #       <Febs> With the original FW, there were a number of times that I inadvertently left the player running until the battery died because I pressed the stop button only once instead of twice.
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17.51.01 #       <mirak> is there a way to invert the bootloader choice of os ?
17.51.07 #       <Slasheri> hehe, i started just coding morse support for rockbox keyboard input :) should be ready soon
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17.56.11 #       <LinusN> Amar: i suggest you look at the existing stopwatch plugin
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17.57.40 #       <Amar> LinusN:looking and roughly following what is going on
17.57.50 #       <LinusN> good
17.59.20 #       <Philip> Slasheri: for USB keyboard and H300 :o
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18.12.46 #       <Lamed> i've just recompiled the updated code (goddamn configure/makefile changes.... arghhhh... took me a long long time). Thanks for the recording peak meter! i was so waiting for that!    -and about the credits plugin missing the usb reconization.  it's definetly a bug: if you'll exit the credit screen, you still won't get synced.
18.14.42 #       <Lamed> and another thing, mic input cannot be set as stereo. that's a mistake as there are stereo microphones. (line in can)
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18.15.09 #       <Lamed> sorry, i've ment that there should be an external microphone setting
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18.21.19 #       <Lamed> anyone wants to reply on that?
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18.42.45 #       <San> what are the improvements in the latest dailu builds?
18.42.49 #       <San> *daily
18.44.30 #       <Febs> San, the changes are logged on the daily build page.  Just click the time stamp link to see what's in each build.
18.45.14 #       <Febs> There's also a log that shows all of changes for each daily build:  http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20051202.html
18.46.07 #       <San> yeah...but that is hard to understand
18.46.07 #       <San> lol
18.46.17 #       <San> oh, wait
18.46.20 #       <San> that isn't
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18.46.28 #       <San> i was look ing at something different, thanks Febs
18.46.29 #       <San> :D
18.46.30 #       <Slasheri> uh, that's cool. Morse input works at first try =)
18.46.54 #       <San> recording?
18.47.15 #       <Febs> Slasheri goes into the military, and the next thing you know, Rockbox is in Morse code!  ;)
18.47.25 #       <Slasheri> Febs: hehe :D
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18.48.43 #       <eli_sherer> hello everyone i made a new version of rockpaint...it has 24bit BMP support (well kind-of)
18.49.01 #       <San> nice :D
18.49.11 #       <San> so we can edit pictures now?
18.49.16 #       <eli_sherer> for now it supports only 24 bit bmps
18.49.33 #       <San> yeah
18.49.38 #       <eli_sherer> no you can't edit cause i havn't implemented the source into the editor just a nice splash screen
18.49.52 #       <San> oh
18.50.04 #       <eli_sherer> it loads a bitmap from a directory...
18.50.16 #       <eli_sherer> i thought itll be nice to have a 24 Bit BMP viewer
18.50.50 #       <San> yeah
18.50.53 #       <Slasheri> Febs: but i really think it should be now faster to enter file names using the morse code (only standard alphabets and numbers supported at the moment)
18.51.10 #       <eli_sherer> i'll work on it tomorrow i just need to add 32bit,8bit(256),4bit(16),1bit(2)...
18.51.10 #       <Lamed> slasheri: morse?!
18.51.25 #       <Slasheri> Lamed: hehe, yes. I will commit that soon :)
18.51.53 #       <Lamed> what does it do?
18.52.08 #       <eli_sherer> in no time my viewer will be like iriver's just better (TGA,PCX and more)
18.52.39 #       <Lamed> Dinner!
18.52.41 #       <Slasheri> Lamed: you can for example give a playlist name using only one button (short and long clicks)
18.52.57 #       <NicoFR> eli_sherer: do you think you could make it work as a viewer for BMPs ?
18.53.07 #       <ghode|afk> hmm are the buttons fast enough?
18.53.11 #       <NicoFR> I mean just select a BMP file just as you would do for music
18.53.36 #       <NicoFR> like rockboy with GB files
18.53.57 #       <San> woot, it works
18.53.58 #       <San> :D
18.54.13 #       <San> verrry nice
18.54.20 #       <NicoFR> indeed
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18.57.02 #       <San> eli, could you make a bmp viewer?
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19.03.31 #       <elisherer> very odd...im still logged in!
19.03.37 #       <elisherer> but as eli_sherer
19.04.27 #       <Amar> so you can talk to yourself!
19.05.05 #       <elisherer> ;)
19.05.50 #       <NicoFR> eli, do you think you could make a BMP viewer ?
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19.08.06 #       <elisherer> NicoFR: that wont be a problem i just need to make it support other bit types and make an explorer or use rockbox's
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19.09.04 #       <NicoFR> well it would be nice if it worked like rockboy with .GB files
19.09.13 #       <NicoFR> or the text viewer
19.09.52 #       <elisherer> well it can be done i just need to learn how to make a "viewer"
19.10.19 #       <San> shouldn't be too hard
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19.11.52 #       <San> aaah
19.11.53 #       <San> WTF?
19.11.59 #       <ModernExecutive> hopefully not as hard as patching the latest US firmware with the bootloader
19.12.16 #       <San> where is the language tab in the H300 menu (default firmware)
19.12.23 #       <ModernExecutive> hold navi
19.12.29 #       <ModernExecutive> click navi on the first option
19.12.43 #       <ModernExecutive> click down to the second option and hit navi again
19.12.48 #       <ModernExecutive> select engrish
19.13.01 #       <San> aah, got it
19.13.05 #       <San> thanks ME
19.13.08 #       <elisherer> lol
19.13.08 #       <ModernExecutive> np
19.13.15 #       <Philip> :D
19.14.14 #       <San> what does jpeg thumbnail do? I'd imagine it adds a thumbnail for the jpeg
19.14.38 #       <Philip> if you have images from a camera
19.14.43 #       <San> ooh
19.14.46 #       <San> ok
19.14.46 #       <Philip> it reads the thumbnail
19.15.00 #       <Philip> and shows that so pictures load quicker
19.15.13 #       <San> aah, col
19.15.14 #       <San> *cool
19.15.37 #       <Philip> have you managed to get the rockbox database to work??
19.15.46 #       <San> didn't try
19.16.10 #       <Philip> I don't know what i'm doing wrong :(
19.16.23 #       <elisherer> im working on BMP viewing...
19.16.41 #       <Philip> i saw, nice work :)
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19.18.45 #       <NicoFR> indeed, very nice work
19.19.00 #       <NicoFR> it will be even better when it becomes a viewer :)
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19.19.13 #       <elisherer> oh...now i understand what are those hex values in the "viewers.config" those are icons!!!
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19.24.19 #       <Link9064> I recently upgraded my fm recorder's harddrive to an 80gb, and now the thing doesn't charge/do anything when plugged in /w ac adaptor.....any suggestions?
19.25.39 #       <elisherer> that's about it and lets see if it works...
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19.29.48 #       <elisherer> it doesn't but i know whu
19.29.49 #       <elisherer> why
19.30.29 #       <San> the BMP wiewer?
19.30.34 #       <elisherer> yup
19.30.55 #       <San> nic
19.30.57 #       <San> *nice
19.31.11 #       <San> brb, gotta find a CD
19.31.31 #       <elisherer> i don't have bitmap files...lol
19.31.43 #       <Philip> lol
19.32.06 #       <Amar> im sure you can make one quickly
19.33.49 #       <San> make a quick one in paint
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19.36.00 #       <elisherer> well it works fine but it doesn't support big pictures it takes to long to load them
19.36.34 #       <San> nice
19.36.59 #       <San> to is supports 8Bit and 32Bit, or just 8Bit?
19.37.42 #       <elisherer> i think ill make a limit to the resolution of pictures it can open.. like 1024*768 (it's i think the biggest i can go)
19.38.01 #       <elisherer> maybe ill add a progress bar so it wont be so boring to wait for the picture to come up...hehe
19.38.10 #       <elisherer> just 24 bit
19.39.20 #       <San> ok
19.39.21 #       <elisherer> 32bit is 4 chars(r,g,b,reserved),24 bit is 3 chars(r,g,b),8 bit is 2 chars 00-FF from palette and 4 bit is 0-F from palette...
19.39.39 #       <San> oh, ok
19.39.55 #       <San> si RB san only support 3 characters?
19.39.59 #       <elisherer> 2 bit is black and white but you can color it in any color you want
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19.40.35 #       <elisherer> technically it's less cause the color lcd can support up to 262,000 colors and 24 bit is 16 million colors
19.41.01 #       <elisherer> so we use 16bit which is 65,000 colors
19.41.07 #       <San> ah ok
19.41.22 #       <San> would it be hard to port this to a jpeg viewer aswell?
19.41.26 #       <elisherer> i do a conversion from 24 bit to 16 bit in my loading
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19.42.00 #       <elisherer> no not at all and this is where im aiming...even gif but the thing is that gif is patented and rockbox probably wont allow it
19.42.31 #       <San> is there eventually going to be a zoon feature?
19.42.35 #       <San> *zoom
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19.47.59 #       <elisherer> i don't think so but there gonna be a moving feature on a big picture (+fit to screen)
19.48.56 #       <San> yeah
19.49.15 #       <San> can you upload the beta version of it please?
19.49.40 #       <perplexity> the patent on the lzw encoding in gif expired earlier this year
19.49.44 #       <elisherer> in a sec i just want to make a progress bar really quick
19.49.51 #       <San> nice, so gif's
19.49.54 #       <San> w00t!
19.49.55 #       <San> :p
19.50.05 #       <elisherer> if this true then yes!!!
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19.50.52 #       <San> maby animated aswell?
19.51.24 #       <perplexity> Sorry.. not this year.. last year.. http://schmidt.devlib.org/file-formats/gif-image-file-format.html
19.51.34 #       <San> still, even better
19.52.28 #       <elisherer> damn't i can't add a progress bar cause i made the loadbitmap function indepandent
19.53.24 #       <elisherer> San: "animated": i even don't know how to decode a gif not to talk about animated...
19.54.07 #       <San> lol, ok
19.54.26 #       <perplexity> That link I posted has a number of other links that give some more detail on gif and how to decode it :)
19.54.35 #       <perplexity> anyway.. i'm back to lurk mode :)
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19.54.49 #       <Harmageddon> Morning
19.57.16 #       <elisherer> i got it... instead of progress bar i can make the picture itself the progress bar by updating the lcd every row...
19.57.22 #       <elisherer> like interlaced ... :)
19.58.11 #       <elisherer> i'm compiling and releasing a beta version now...
19.59.01 #       <Philip> cool
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20.02.19 #       * San 14Skinny Dips in a sea of 07Deep Purple - In The Absence Of Pink: Knebworth 85 (Disk 2) - Space Truckin'1415
20.09.20 #       <elisherer> well...it's up on the web
20.09.29 #       <elisherer> v0.42 with viewing capabilites
20.09.47 #       <San> nice
20.09.52 #       <NicoFR> cool :)
20.09.52 #       <elisherer> don't open a big picture...! (and big means over 1000 px wide or high)
20.11.06 #       <San> ok
20.11.16 #       <San> what is your website again?
20.11.29 #       <elisherer> there's a bug with big pictures... (www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer
20.11.47 #       <elisherer> because it draws them from the buttom up...
20.11.48 #       <San> I am going to make a page for all your plugins on my site
20.11.49 #       <San> :D
20.12.09 #       <elisherer> it's not neccesary cause i update them all the time...
20.12.31 #       <Harmageddon> wtf cool :)
20.13.50 #       <elisherer> my thread in misticriver almost has the same viewcount as "Have you successfully rockboxed your player?"...lol
20.16.22 #       <Lamed> slasheri: that sounds awfully odd... but i wish you good luck. imho what really missing about creating filenames are the everyday commands like copy/cut/paste. some of this days i hope to write something that will let you browse the tree to place the file that you are making easily. today it's very hard to put the exact path letter by letter just to move a file.
20.17.16 #       <elisherer> now with bmp capabilities i can make the rockword that i worked so hard on...
20.17.47 #       <San> how do I open a BMP file?
20.18.03 #       <Slasheri> Lamed: true.. moving should be done probably with gui and rename differently. And search function for files should be added
20.20.29 #       <Philip> San: if you have changed the viewers.config file then you should just be able to select the files in the same way as music files
20.20.33 #       <San> yes
20.20.37 #       <San> oooh, wait
20.20.42 #       <San> i have 000 instead of 00
20.20.45 #       <Philip> just make sure you have show all
20.20.47 #       <San> lol
20.20.53 #       <Philip> ???
20.21.06 #       <San> nevermind
20.21.07 #       <San> :P
20.21.27 #       <elisherer> San: what?
20.22.02 #       <San> at the end of the line I had to paste in, I had 000 instead of 00
20.22.12 #       <elisherer> San: oh
20.22.32 #       <San> when I open a bmp it jst opens rockpaint
20.22.44 #       <elisherer> philip: if you have bmp in the viewers.config then "supported" mode will also show BMPs
20.22.46 #       <Philip> where should the splash screen go?? what part of player? i keep getting err: cannot find file
20.23.04 #       <Lamed> slasheri: yeah... it's common to say that this part of rockbox is pretty neglected.   - p.s no hebrew support on filenames. if i edit an hebrew filename it changes all the charcter (probably ) to the wrong encoding.
20.23.23 #       <elisherer> you need to have the "splash.bmp" inside a directory called "rockpaint" in "rocks"
20.23.35 #       <Philip> thanks
20.23.55 #       <NicoFR> I can't open bmp files other than the splach screen....
20.24.06 #       <NicoFR> I did save them as 24 bit
20.24.12 #       <San> me too
20.24.32 #       <elisherer> and open them from rockbox explorer just as if you would play an mp3 file...
20.24.57 #       <San> yeah
20.25.03 #       <elisherer> ?!
20.25.14 #       <San> it just opens rockpaint
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20.25.22 #       <elisherer> San: did it work 4 u
20.25.37 #       <San> no
20.25.41 #       <elisherer> did u upgrade rockpaint?
20.25.52 #       <San> yes
20.25.53 #       <NicoFR> well it just shows the background for me
20.25.54 #       <elisherer> or just the "viewers.config"
20.26.01 #       <NicoFR> I upgraded both
20.26.10 #       <San> i get the splash screen then it just goes to rockpaint
20.26.25 #       <elisherer> when you press on a bitmap file?
20.26.34 #       <San> yup
20.26.41 #       <elisherer> then you did something wrong...
20.26.49 #       <elisherer> it's fault proof...
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20.28.06 #       <Amar> ok I have created/modified a plugin and renamed the source file, how do i go about geting it to compile?
20.28.41 #       <elisherer> you need to add to the "SOURCES" file in the plugins dir your creation and compile the whole thing...
20.28.54 #       <Amar> thanks
20.30.37 #       <elisherer> i'm afraid the lcd_updating makes my program a little slow so i'm disabling that...
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20.31.25 #       <San> wb
20.31.28 #       <Lamed> on?
20.31.29 #       <Lamed> yeah
20.31.55 #       <NicoFR> eli, what program did you use to create your splash screen ?
20.32.08 #       <elisherer> powerpoint...lol
20.32.34 #       <NicoFR> my bitmaps created with paint or photoshop in 24 bit don't work...
20.32.40 #       <San> me neither
20.33.01 #       <elisherer> wait i'll look into it now...
20.33.02 #       <Philip> or me :(
20.33.05 #       <NicoFR> I just see the blue background then back to the file explorer
20.33.21 #       <San> i just get rockpaint loded uo
20.33.26 #       <San> *loaded up
20.33.45 #       <elisherer> well NicoFR has the proper outcome...
20.34.01 #       <elisherer> it needs to be the blue background and on it comes the bmp
20.34.24 #       <elisherer> NicoFR: when you start rockpaint from the "browse plugins" does it work well?
20.34.51 #       <elisherer> San: you don't have the right rockpaint version installed you need v0.42
20.34.54 #       <NicoFR> yes
20.35.33 #       <San> yes, I dont think i had that
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20.35.48 #       <elisherer> and about the "viewers.config" file i recommand you download it from the site instead of editing it yourselves.
20.36.00 #       <NicoFR> one other thing I'm noticing right now is that the cursor is flashing when I move it... IIRC it didn't do that in previous versions
20.36.19 #       <elisherer> which cursor?
20.36.39 #       <NicoFR> the one in rockpaint
20.36.41 #       <NicoFR> the cross
20.36.51 #       <elisherer> that's because it's more faster that way...but i look into that too..:)
20.36.59 #       <NicoFR> ok
20.37.33 #       <San> aah, that extra line goes at the top?
20.37.40 #       <San> i added it at the bottem
20.38.30 #       <NicoFR> maybe you could make the cursor jump pixels 2 by 2 or 4 by 4 or more when you press the direction buttons a long time... that would make it faster
20.39.32 #       <elisherer> youre right about the cursor i fixed it now...i used double buffering...
20.40.18 #       <elisherer> and about the jumping it already implemented in the menu (see "brush jump")
20.40.25 #       <XavierGr> Hi all!
20.40.28 #       <NicoFR> oh sorry
20.40.44 #       <XavierGr> Oh TiMiD is here again? Where you were lost man?
20.42.12 #       <San> got it
20.42.31 #       <San> but, i think there is a bug, the picture loads, and as soon as it gets to the top, it goes back
20.42.52 #       <NicoFR> try pressing NAVI instead of "right"
20.43.12 #       <San> and then after a while you get "cant open rockpaint.rock"
20.43.19 #       <San> and then I cant open any files
20.43.21 #       <NicoFR> I did get that too
20.43.26 #       <San> *not files, rocks
20.44.02 #       <NicoFR> San: did you manage to open other BMPs ?
20.44.09 #       <elisherer> wow didn't get to that...
20.44.30 #       <San> no, only bmp's that are in wps's
20.44.58 #       <San> and the black and white ones come out all different colors, other that the colors they are ment to be
20.45.23 #       <NicoFR> that's because they ar 2 bit I suppose
20.45.29 #       <San> yeah
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20.47.52 #       <mirak> what's the H300 lcd resolution ?
20.48.03 #       <NicoFR> 220 x 176
20.48.18 #       <mirak> thank you
20.49.16 #       <elisherer> San: i found the problem, i didn't close the file after opening it...
20.49.55 #       <NicoFR> which file ?
20.50.49 #       <XavierGr> Did Linus got the H300_DRM_key.hex from the Hooligan guy?
20.50.54 #       <mirak> is there a way to invert the bootloader choice of rockbox ?
20.51.35 #       <ghode|afk> yes, change the code
20.51.36 #       <NicoFR> no, unless you edit the source code yourself
20.51.37 #       <mirak> damn I got anonymous calls
20.51.38 #       <mirak> lol
20.52.25 #       <elisherer> well i uploaded the last versions for today i hope you all have a good night (or morning wherever you at) i'm going to my gf bye all
20.52.46 #       <NicoFR> bye
20.52.54 #       <San> cya
20.52.58 #       <NicoFR> thanks for th good work ;)
20.53.12 #       <mirak> elisherer: to what ?
20.53.13 #       <mirak> :)
20.53.25 #       <mirak> a verb is missing
20.53.39 #       <elisherer> to my program...
20.54.04 #       <elisherer> it's the same version 0.42 just download it again...
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21.25.09 #       <lostlogicx> LinusN: ping?
21.27.56 #       <lostlogicx> well I guess this question can go to anyone.  The profiling code I'm working on needs callbacks from both the system and from whatever's being profiled (a plugin or a codec or whatever)  I can't see a good way to include the profiling functoins are part of the APIs because they are called by symbol name by the compiler so I can't use preprocessor directives to change how they are called afaics.
21.28.24 #       <lostlogicx> so I need some other way of making a symbol available to kernel and plugin/codec.
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21.35.50 #       <webguest44> Hi, just read that there's now morse code input on the Iriver? How can I test this?
21.36.54 #       <webguest44> I loaded a bleeding edge build and tried renaming a file just for fun but didn't find anything there....
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21.39.06 #       <muesli_-> hi
21.39.29 #       <muesli_-> just a foolish question..how do i record radio?
21.39.52 #       <webguest44> on the iriver?
21.39.58 #       <muesli_-> yepp
21.40.09 #       <XavierGr> exit radio screen while playing and had to the record screen
21.40.17 #       <XavierGr> then set the source to line in
21.40.57 #       <XavierGr> had - head
21.41.22 #       <muesli_-> in this order only?
21.42.58 #       <webguest44> you only need to select line-in once
21.44.19 #       <webguest44> oh, make sure you have the latest bleeding edge build so you can see the peak meter.
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21.45.45 #       <muesli_-> okidok
21.45.46 #       <muesli_-> :D
21.46.38 #       <muesli_-> how can i shuffle over all files?
21.47.40 #       <Lamed> preglow: this is so not right... you get to add your morse code while my patches are still waiting...   lol, it sounds like the weirdest option ever.
21.47.41 #       <Lamed> muesli_ : create a root playlist with all files (recursive inserted set to on), then use the quick menu to shuffle.
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21.51.46 #       <muesli_-> cheers Lamed
21.55.23 #       <petur> any cygwin user around that uses DDD?
21.57.38 #       <lostlogicx> GAH DEATH HELL
21.57.50 #       <lostlogicx> there needs to be a way to do this.
21.58.06 #       <lostlogicx> other than moving the profiling code into the codec API.
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22.18.32 #       <Lamed> petur: have you tried using ddd on cygwin? - i haven't. any good?
22.19.44 #       <petur> bloody thing won't run. says "can't open display"
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22.21.01 #       <petur> can't find much help on the ddd site atm
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22.22.32 #       <petur> then again, I'm still new to this cygwin way of working
22.23.33 #       <petur> does ddd need X?
22.27.46 #       <Lamed> i would go on yes.   - > ddd is a gui debugger... if you want to use gui apps. on cygwin you have to install x compunents. 
22.28.39 #       <Lamed> i had it all going one time (running xemecs on cygwin), but the installation files were pretty huge and I couldn't reproduce the results again. it was too much hassle for me.
22.29.00 #       <Lamed> and, xemacs suck.
22.29.37 #       <petur> how do you start X? I type X, it starts up a gui but then I can't do anything anymore. If I open another cygwin session, ddd still won't start?
22.29.56 #       <Lamed> if you come across a good gui debugger let me know... 
22.29.56 #       <Lamed> btw what kde do you use?
22.30.11 #       <petur> what?
22.30.12 #       <Lamed> have u installed all the compunents?
22.30.34 #       <Lamed> kde=ide
22.30.37 #       <petur> I went for default - don't know if that is all I need.
22.30.56 #       <petur> will run cygwin install again and add some more stuff...
22.32.00 #       <Lamed> i can only tell you that after i've installed _all_ the packages that have something to do with the capital letter X, i just typed xemacs and it worked. the other time i tried to do it, something caused the 'cygwin1.dll' file (iirc) to be corrupted.
22.33.29 #       <petur> I have to say, nothing beats putting in an MS-DEV CD, installing it and start development. Ah yes - the price... and locked to the platform. But ease of use? Ugh.
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22.33.45 #       <baobab68> morning all
22.34.26 #       <petur> good evening ;)
22.36.11 #       <baobab68> 0835h here in sydney
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22.38.07 #       <petur> 22:37 in Gent, Belgium
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22.45.03 #       <muesli-> g'Day mates...
22.45.11 #       <muesli-> 22:45h confirmed
22.45.57 #       <Lamed> 23:46 israel
22.48.19 #       <baobab68> got a question re: battery life on h320 on rockbox. for those way more familiar with rockbox's internals, which is likely to be chewing battery more: the lcd remaining on when the backlight is off, or the unoptimised nature of the ogg decoder at the moment?
22.51.43 #       <PaulJ> im not very familiar with rockbox internals, but i believe the lcd itself (without backlight) doesn't use much battery
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22.52.28 #       <ashridah> baobab68: they're both in need of work. 
22.52.37 #       <muesli-> PaulJ how was zhg-mensa today? :D
22.52.56 #       <ashridah> baobab68: there's been work on the vorbis front, although it's early stages yet.
22.53.08 #       <baobab68> ashridah: is the code for turning the lcd off likely to have to go in the bootloader or in the runtime part of rockbox?
22.53.14 #       <ashridah> baobab68: runtime.
22.53.23 #       <PaulJ> muesli-: i usually dont go to the mensa
22.53.56 #       <ashridah> baobab68: that said, the driver will be shared between the two, the bootloader is largely constructed out of a base library that's part of rockbox itself.
22.53.57 #       <muesli-> that zhg one wasnt a rock when i recall myself right
22.54.12 #       <ashridah> so the disk driver, filesystem driver, lcd driver, button driver are all shared.
22.54.25 #       <baobab68> ashridah: i was thinking of having a look at that. there's no *way* I could work on vorbis, I don't know C....i was thinking that "it can't be that hard to turn the lcd off..."
22.55.07 #       <baobab68> i just have the impression that the lcd is 'active matrix' and something vaguely tells me they suck battery
22.55.21 #       <ashridah> baobab68: it takes a bit of bit twiddling on the i2c bus, iirc.
22.55.50 #       <ashridah> you'll need to do some datasheet reading, and i don't know how potentially fatal it can be (since i don't know if it's possible to command the lcd to go into a death spiral
22.55.50 #       <baobab68> hmmmm.... same as activating the audio did?
22.56.25 #       <ashridah> almost all peripherals inside iriver's hardware are connected by the i2c serial bus, so you'd need a reasonable idea of what commands to send the LCD. the datasheet should cover that
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22.57.11 #       <ashridah> but that said, as long as it's not fatal (which is unlikely, really), you can't brick the unit since you won't need to poke at the bootloader.
22.57.19 #       <ashridah> (well, brick it easily)
22.57.57 #       <baobab68> wonder if linus hasn't worked out yet, or hasn't noticed that the lcd is left running, or knows that it doesn't really matter. what i mean is, if he can't work it out then i have no chance
22.58.04 #       <ashridah> he knows
22.58.34 #       <baobab68> the datasheet is in the wiki, right?
22.58.50 #       <ashridah> but family+contractwork+rockbox is difficult to juggle. turning off the LCD isn't an issue that prevents rockbox working.
22.58.58 #       <ashridah> it'll get done tho
22.59.03 #       <ashridah> in some form
22.59.10 #       <ashridah> it should be in the wiki
22.59.30 #       <cannard> for better battery life, just sever the connection to the lcd itself. use the remote only, instant iaudio m3!!
22.59.43 #       <baobab68> i understand that - what i meant is, it must be hard to do, or he would have already done it.
22.59.54 #       <baobab68> cannard: :-)
23.00.16 #       <baobab68> cannard: tell that to my partner. "you did *what* to save battery?"
23.00.23 #       <Bagder> baobab68: lots of things not yet done aren't "hard"
23.00.27 #       <ashridah> baobab68: not really, it's the trivial things that often get left to later. more pressing is why the unit wiggs out when he jacks up the frequency :)
23.00.33 #       <Bagder> they're just things not prioritized
23.01.02 #       * ashridah nods
23.01.20 #       <baobab68> won't a frequency hike suck battery even more?
23.01.27 #       <ashridah> the LCD driver in general needs more work than just turning off the lcd when the backlight's off.
23.01.43 #       <baobab68> can't everyone just convert their vorbis to Q0.7 like me?  :-)
23.01.44 #       <ashridah> baobab68: true, but the frequency hike only happens when necessary
23.01.50 #       <baobab68> it plays fine
23.02.02 #       <ashridah> rockbox boosts the cpu to higher rates when low watermarks are hit
23.02.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 'sides, with the frequency hike it'd be running at a higher speed for less time
23.02.35 #       <ashridah> so it often boosts for some codecs when filling the pcm buffer) and it boosts when the hard drive spins up to fill the data buffer.
23.02.43 #       <ashridah> Paul_The_Nerd: yep.
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23.03.07 #       <ashridah> baobab68: you can see the effects of this in the audio thread under debug.
23.03.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is the battery life bad on the H340 or something, baobab68? Like, is there a noticeable loss in life when you switch to RB?
23.03.29 #       <ashridah> some codecs are extremely efficient (flac, wavpack, shorten), and only boost while reading from disk.
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23.03.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> wavpack boosts a bit even when not reading from disk, I think.
23.04.13 #       <ashridah> aah, haven't checked.
23.04.20 #       <baobab68> i seem to be getting about 4-5 hours. (two days, to and from work, plus walking around at lunch). on iriver f/w I might have got 4 days like that. no scientific check done yet.
23.04.35 #       <ashridah> baobab68: but yeah, the ogg codec needs work. 
23.04.42 #       <ashridah> it'll get done
23.04.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ashridah: To be noted, mine are replaygained.
23.05.01 #       <baobab68> mind you i am listening a LOT more and flicking tracks just to hear the cool crossfade...
23.05.07 #       <baobab68> mine are replaygained as well
23.05.43 #       <baobab68> which seems to work, i've tried turning replaygain off in the system settings and the volume does change, so RB is doing 'something'....
23.05.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I know at some point that made a difference, though if I recall there was a change at some point so that they irregardless of replaygain they always went through the DSP or something? It added to the boost percentage, whatever the patch was.
23.07.27 #       <baobab68> well wouldn't they need to be dsp'd for the bass and treble and the stereo widening?
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23.07.37 #       <baobab68> (none of which i use)
23.07.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Stereo Widening isn't functioning yet.
23.07.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And I don't use the bass/treble either.
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23.08.18 #       <ashridah> bass/treble are hardware functions from memory.
23.08.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I believe the patch had them dsp'd no matter what. I'm sure there was a cause for it. I don't remember exactly what the reason was.
23.08.32 #       <Bagder> yes, bass/treble are plain DAC
23.09.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Fix some WavPack bugs by forcing DSP use even when not needed for sampling rate conversion or ReplayGain. Costs about 12% boost ratio when DSP would not have been used before." <--- That one.
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23.10.40 #       <baobab68> oh yeah, i guess replaygain would dsp, wouldn't? I might turn it off until vorbis gets optimised a bit more
23.12.43 #       <baobab68> but i will have a look at the lcd stuff, just for my own interest
23.13.10 #       <baobab68> right now i better go "clean those leaves out of the gutter, fix that downpipe, bla bla bla"
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23.17.30 #       <muesli-> foolish question again: would it be theoretically possible to watch videos over any line out on tv?
23.17.45 #       <BBub> with the iriver?
23.17.49 #       <muesli-> yepp
23.17.51 #       <massiveH> i have also thought of this too
23.17.51 #       <BBub> never
23.17.55 #       <Hooligan> Not with an iRiver, no
23.18.02 #       <BBub> it could never reach the bandwith needed
23.18.08 #       <BBub> video is for pal 5 mhz
23.18.33 #       <muesli-> not via usb ie?
23.18.49 #       <BBub> it is only a usb-slave
23.19.13 #       <BBub> and u cant do anything with the usb except accessing the hdd afaik
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23.20.22 #       <muesli-> ok..im just curious..people are asking
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23.26.56 #       <ashridah> muesli-: usb2go only supports usb 1.1, so you get 800kbps max.
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23.27.37 #       <ashridah> the other usb port is connected via usb-storage, although clearly there's extras given that some units can do DRM
23.28.15 #       <ashridah> muesli-: the optical out is connected via a DAC, so that's out, and the connection to the remotes won't have enough bandwidth afaik.
23.29.35 #       <cannard> or connect the video out of your vcr to your soundcard, record as wav, then play it on your h300 with line out connected to video in
23.29.49 #       <cannard> adjust bass for colour saturation, and treble for image sharpness
23.30.14 #       <ashridah> cannard: except that it's clamped at 44.1KHz iirc, which wouldn't be enough
23.33.05 #       <ashridah> besides, then you'd be stuck doing the conversion to PAL in software. ick.
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23.34.49 #       <muesli-> btw
23.34.50 #       <muesli-> iRiver: Added initial support for standard morse code input to virtual keyboard.
23.34.57 #       <muesli-> wots that?
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23.36.45 #       <Lamed> slasheri said something about naming files with only one button by morse clicks...
23.37.37 #       <Bagder> there was such a commit recently
23.37.48 #       <muesli-> sounds funny
23.38.02 #       <Lamed> anyone knows a program that can replaygain but skip files that already have reaplygain values in them?  -  with foobar2000 i have to go through everything.
23.38.15 #       <Lamed> bagder - yes, we were just talking about it.
23.38.31 #       <Hooligan> http://misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32762
23.38.54 #       <Hooligan> I sent the files to Linus...I wonder if he can learn anything interesting
23.39.45 #       <Bagder> nah, he's such a loser ;-P
23.39.58 #       <Hooligan> Haha
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23.40.49 #       <Lamed> i've been arranging my playlist for the last 5-8 houres. it's becoming harder & harder.
23.41.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Lamed: Foobar's the only format-independent (or at least, supports so many that it's essentially so) program I've found to replaygain
23.42.15 #       <Hooligan> I'm gonna call iRiver and see what they say about this H300_Drmkey.hex file
23.42.25 #       <Hooligan> Should be interesting, I'm sure.
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23.45.22 #       <Bagder> :-)
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23.48.59 #       <muesli-> what was max filesize for .wps and .rpws`?
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23.53.56 #       <muesli-> BBub query
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23.58.49 #       <muesli-> dunkellic ;)
23.58.56 #       <dunkellic> jo muelsli ^^
23.59.01 #       <dunkellic> hrhr, genau den, den ich such