--- Log for 04.12.105 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 29 days and 19 hours ago 00.01.09 # true 00.09.46 Quit t0mas (" brb") 00.12.59 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 00.13.57 Part benware 00.14.18 Quit webguest23 ("CGI:IRC") 00.15.49 Quit San (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.16.41 Join chendo_ [0] (i=chendo@203-206-61-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) 00.25.44 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.26.06 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB6DACD.ipt.aol.com) 00.28.47 # is only the h3xx sim not playing sound well (win32) or is this common to all sims? 00.33.44 # I've used the sim fine for years 00.33.58 # heh, i cant even get it to work :( 00.34.04 Quit chendo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.15 # gives me a 'files' kinda error 00.34.16 # (not on win32 though) 00.35.12 # hmm strange rockbox_browse will not return true if the user quits before selecting a file 00.35.28 # it will return false both if the user selects a file or quits. 00.38.15 # was looking for a nice place to start helping (get to know the code, my first patch,... stuff like that) 00.38.32 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@A92ca.a.pppool.de) 00.38.48 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.42.01 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 00.42.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.44.31 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 00.45.23 # haha w00t for fat32... my .rockbox folder is 2.49mb, and 7.73MB on disk :D 00.46.04 # it is the wps module that takes this much space 00.46.05 # really? how big is your drive? 00.46.12 # so many little icons and bmps 00.46.34 # I think that if the wps are made using combined bitmaps this will be avoided 00.47.16 # * ender` is currently trying to build rockbox with the apev2 patch for mp3s 00.48.28 # * ender` needs to get the cross-compiler to work in interix... cygwin is horribly horribly slow 00.49.09 # yeah cygwin is way too slow 00.50.03 # btw, my .rockbox is 2,28MB, 2,39MB on disk (on H120) 00.51.01 Join webguest96 [0] (n=45dda986@labb.contactor.se) 00.52.42 # XavierGr: easier to use a zip with no compression imho. 00.52.50 # XavierGr: don't need any custom utilities then 00.53.09 # or, at worst, uclpack, since there's already code for that in rockbox 00.53.17 # ('s source tree) 00.53.31 # well that's a good solution too. 00.53.44 # it would certainly cut down on the slack space 00.56.06 # good, the ape patch seems to be working 00.56.55 # ape patch? 00.57.11 # are there any serious perfomance flaws if I #include another file to code? 00.57.34 # interix? 00.57.40 # apev2 tags 00.57.42 # ender: you might also want to consider colinux. 00.58.07 # how stable is colinux? 00.58.31 # If you don't have anything too exotic, it seems to be pretty stable. 00.59.21 # (ie, XP 64-bit edition) 00.59.51 # 2003sp1 32bit (because there's 64bit drivers missing for my hardware) 01.00.27 # i'll probably try to compile m68k-gcc with gcc 4 that somebody posted to tools warehouse forums first 01.00.34 # K. 01.00.41 # I was going to try it out today, but I couldn't get the latest devel image. 01.01.51 # ok, i'm off to sleep now 01.02.06 Quit Musicmad (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.02.11 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.17 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 01.07.11 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.08.22 Quit webguest96 ("CGI:IRC") 01.08.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.10.48 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.11.22 Nick CBM-away is now known as CheezBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.19.14 # bye! 01.19.49 Quit miner49er ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 01.20.17 # have question about pcmbuf.c - somebody around? 01.22.22 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.26.07 Join linuxstb [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 01.26.17 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.26.18 Nick CheezBurgerMan is now known as CheeseBurgerMan (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.28.59 # petur: What is your question? 01.29.58 # bit too late, just submitted my (first) patch ;) 01.30.42 # crossfade_fade_in_amount can somehow remain 0 and when fade_insert is called, it crashes (div by zero) 01.30.50 # at least the H3xx sim does. 01.30.55 # (did) 01.31.58 # bummer - just saw the other functions have this issue as well... 01.36.54 # enough for today - goodnight 01.37.09 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 01.38.29 Join webguest84 [0] (n=51f2f971@labb.contactor.se) 01.45.50 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 01.45.50 Quit webguest84 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.46.37 Join massiveH [0] (n=haunman@37.222.121.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 01.47.17 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 01.48.15 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.48.30 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 01.54.20 # is it feasable to get the iriver to play or even handle .PSF (playstation sound files)? 01.54.50 # i was looking into the sexyPSF spec, but it 'requires' a 300mhz Pentium I w/MMX 01.55.34 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-31.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 01.55.49 # i do not have enough experiance in sound related programming to start to port this yet... 02.01.56 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 02.02.17 # correction, a 200mhz Pentium I w/MMX 02.02.20 # G'morning, mr. tsb. 02.03.43 # massiveH: It's very unlikely to work on the iriver players. sexypsf is basically an audio-only playstation emulator. 02.04.12 # well, that was what i was thinking, just the sound 02.04.21 # not play a PSX game 02.04.28 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.05.30 # But if the authors say it needs a 200MHz Pentium with MMX, then I doubt a 120MHz Coldfire is going to be up to the job. 02.06.03 # well, i'm not sure, but i think it's optimized for that processor 02.06.03 # Not unless you're particularly good at writing ARM assembly 02.06.15 # sorry, i only know NASM 02.06.15 # Oh 02.06.20 # Coldfire.. don't know it 02.06.39 # Is it ARM based? 02.06.54 # NASM = intel 02.07.07 # but sexyPSF can be compiled for an ARM 02.07.14 # I imagine it's instruction set is probably simpler than intels. :) 02.07.44 # there is a makefile directive for an ARM when compiling sexyPSF 02.09.05 # Oh. What I was asking is if the COldfire is ARM. I don't know any details of the Coldfire processors 02.09.16 # nor do i, hence me asking... 02.09.26 # * max hands massive a ticket to google. 02.09.36 # The coldfire is basically a Motorola 68k 02.09.52 # oh. weak :) 02.11.18 # i do believe that sexyPSF can be compiled in big or little endian 02.12.21 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.12.39 # Yes, looking at it, it should be relatively straightforward to port it to Rockbox (as a plugin). But I would be very surprised if it could be made realtime. 02.12.44 # if i knew more programming, i would give it a whirl, but i have just started looking at rbx's source like 2 days ago 02.13.26 # YEESSS!!! I've made a usb-charger-mini cable! got to find a program to find out if it's a real usb2 transferate! 02.14.20 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-158-206.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 02.15.06 Quit Moos (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- 100,000+ downloads can't be wrong") 02.15.55 # heck, i have looked at the sexyPSF source, and am not totally sure how it works, so me trying to make a plugin would be futile untill i understood it more 02.16.31 # but on the plus side, it's all in C already... 02.18.05 # well, sexyPSF for the PSP runs with no problem @ 166mhz, so it may be a possibility 02.20.08 # but that's on a PSP 02.21.37 # is it programmed in fixed point (integer)? 02.22.06 # give moment, i'll look into it 02.22.16 # A grep for float/double didn't find any. 02.22.49 # seems that it "could" be possible if someone will optimize it with assembly. 02.23.10 # it's got no floats 02.24.06 # it does have u64 defined, are longs a problem? 02.24.12 # Yes. 02.24.18 # Not a problem, but slow. 02.24.29 # then again, i don't know if it uses them 02.25.34 # what happened to the MIDI port? 02.25.49 # I was very interested in this. 02.28.30 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-151-217-vic-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 02.28.31 # the u64 and s64 in sexyPSF only appear to be used in some timing functions 02.28.40 # very few though 02.29.16 # actually, they are only used when multiplying two u or s 32s 02.29.22 # which makes sense 02.29.25 # then I guess they could be removed, no? 02.29.36 # appears so 02.30.53 # appears to only be part of the PSX emulation logic, could be removed or replaced with 32bit code 02.31.59 # Then you should start porting it massiveH :) 02.32.37 # i would, but am not 'l33t' enough to program this, i could start, but it would be a very and i do mean VERY un-optimized 02.32.54 # i started today, by looking into this stuff, but i may need help along the way 02.32.58 # good wayt o learn :) 02.33.24 # I could help but I don't know anything about audio stuff and how playback works on rockbox so... 02.33.45 # same here, but this is where to start, right? 02.33.56 # also I don't have the slightest idea on how to optimize code. 02.34.14 # i could write it, but someone else would be the optimizer 02.34.17 # massiveH: You are right, 4 months ago and I didn't had a clue at programming. 02.34.35 # Now rockbox helped me to understand C and write my own code for it. 02.34.44 Quit max (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.34.44 # (mostly hacks or little additions) 02.34.57 # i've been programming for about a year, but have just started audio related programming (going to college for video game development...) 02.35.14 # well there are some devs that are very good on optimizing things 02.35.44 Quit lamed_ ("CGI:IRC") 02.36.59 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-144-131-87-242.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 02.39.07 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 02.40.07 # where could i find info on starting a plugin, or should i just look at others that are already there 02.40.39 # dowload the source and look at the hello world plugin 02.41.15 # you could first start making a psf2wav plugin 02.41.20 # like wav2wv plugin 02.41.45 # then if you see that it can encode it realtime you could start implementing PSF to the core. 02.42.33 # so i need to make something that converts the psf to a waveform, then work up to realtime with that plugin? 02.42.53 # well, at least get the proper output first... 02.43.01 Quit Membrillo () 02.43.17 # that will save you much time imho 02.43.43 # if the plugin can convert realtime to wave then it should be clear if the port can be done. 02.44.03 # what is this wav2wv plugin? 02.44.29 # It compresses a WAV file using WavPack. 02.44.42 # if not you ditch the port and you don't cry about your lost time trying to understand rockbox's vast playback code 02.44.57 # i'm guessing it's part of the CVS? 02.45.22 # massiveH: All playback for iriver (software based decoders) started this way 02.45.25 # * linuxstb agrees with XavierGr's advice. 02.45.46 # First they built a codec to wav plaugin and the then if realtime added to the core. 02.46.00 # yes it is part of the cvs 02.46.04 # <- proceeds to rack bran attempting to start plugin 02.46.10 # linuxstb: :) 02.46.14 # wish me luck 02.46.21 # massiveH: The very first thing to do is to write a simple program for your PC that converts a psf file to a WAV file. 02.46.32 # You can then port that program to Rockbox. 02.46.34 # which is what i started earlier 02.46.47 # well good luck, I hope that your port will be usable, I am very interested in this too. 02.47.12 # but i need to figure out the PSF to WAV first, then i get to figure out the rockbox architecture 02.47.37 # One important thing to know about Rockbox is that there is no malloc. 02.48.15 # how would i get around this? 02.48.17 # So ideally, the first thing to do is to remove any mallocs from sexypsf - assuming that's straightforward. 02.48.27 # i think it uses them 02.48.27 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-144-131-87-242.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 02.48.30 # i.e. replace mallocs with static buffers. 02.48.40 # ok, i think i can handle that 02.48.52 # what is the suggested buffer size 02.49.36 # hmm midi2wav hangs the player completely, pitty. 02.49.57 # massiveH: The smallest you need. 02.50.07 # what is 'iriverfy' 02.50.19 # 256k a good place to start, or smaller yet 02.50.56 # DrumRBoy320|Away: It does something to Rockbox generated .m3u playlists to make them compatible with the iriver firmware. 02.51.24 # wait, you know what... im going to go rtfm... and linuxstb, ty fo rthe answer :) 02.52.16 # oh yea, and that iriverify thing killed a gb rom... just to let you guys know adverse affects :) 02.53.13 # is anyone having trouble with the new fwpatcher with 1.29k?..... because i am :s 02.53.29 # Hmm I think that the midi2wav plugin requires some patchset files that aren't present in the builds 02.53.54 # nope, but i almost bricked my player for the //seccond// time using rockbox and firmware updating 02.54.29 # what's a good CVS prog for win, i've only used SVN 02.55.02 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.55.12 # wait 02.55.20 # i redownloaded it and its fine 02.55.37 # massiveH: plugins themselves have a relatively small amount of memory available (I think it's 768KB) for both code and data. If your plugin requires more RAM than that, then you will need to request part of the audio playback buffer. The jpeg viewer does this for example (which is why it stops audio playback). 02.56.12 # in the future, i guess it will need to do this 02.56.15 # massiveH: The command-line cvs works fine under cygwin. 02.56.37 # ok, CYGWIN is installed, so i'll use that 02.56.45 # massiveH: to compile or fiddle with CVS get rockbox devkit or cygwin for Win32 02.57.09 # i have all that already 03.03.26 # how do i go about becoming a 'developer', is it as simple as joining the dev and cvs mailing lists? 03.04.01 # or should i just work with annon. access for now? 03.04.32 # to become a developer you need to write code and submit patches 03.05.02 # if the work you've done is good and you need access to mak lots of additions the devs give you cvs access. 03.05.19 # ok, so for now work with anon.? 03.05.30 # I think that it is something like that right linuxstb? 03.05.37 # yes 03.06.05 # get a cvs repositry on your machine and if you have finshed your changes make a patch and submit it. 03.06.05 # okies 03.07.59 # the rockbox dev kit does not understand CVS...? 03.08.12 # says 'command not found' 03.08.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.42 # what did you typed? 03.10.14 # ummm, is the h3xx bootloader USB mode meant to work? because my screen says its entered usb mode although my PC cant detect it 03.10.28 # i do not believe it works yet 03.10.43 # Membrillo: I think that it will not work current;y 03.10.44 # it's listed as a bug on the bootloader page that it's not working 03.11.27 # yeah i know that, but as it entered usb mode, i figured it could of been fixed 03.20.12 # how does one go about editing files in CYGWIN, or should i stick to notepad 03.21.13 # notepad 03.21.37 # sounds good to me 03.21.58 # I use notepad 2 for my coninience 03.22.06 # ^convinience 03.22.32 # notepad2 offers various language highlight including diff file format that patches use. 03.24.47 # i have visual studio from school, so i'll use that 03.25.44 # isn't thay a litle heavy only to make changes? 03.26.10 # hey, why the heck not 03.26.31 Join Mongey| [0] (n=mongeyc@213-94-250-102.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net) 03.26.42 # hello 03.26.55 # hi 03.27.06 # can rb move files around on the hdd? (or for that matter, can the iriv fw do it?) (h300) 03.27.09 # i need help with my website 03.27.18 # JdGordon:yes 03.27.33 # im trying to install e107 03.27.39 # ...cms 03.27.46 # XavierGr: rb? 03.28.01 # sorry I dont know anything about websites 03.28.11 # JdGordon: yes rb 03.28.13 # but i dont know my mySQL Database: and table prefix 03.29.02 # ok 03.29.27 # * Mongey| falls asleep @ [02;29] 03.29.30 # JdGordon: To move a file you must rename it with the path. 03.29.39 Part Mongey| 03.29.53 # does anyone know how to change the language in the iriver FW? 03.30.03 # like my settings are all in korena 03.30.14 # you cant 03.30.19 # e.g if you rename a file that is in root "/test.file" and want to move it on tests folder you just rename it "/tests/test.file" 03.30.32 # Membrillo: in general, it's the second or third option 03.31.10 Join chendo__ [0] (i=chendo@203-206-61-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.31.13 # ah found it 03.31.24 # top left one, second 03.31.59 # ok thanx 03.32.09 Join StrathAFK [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 03.32.13 Quit chendo_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.32.13 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.32.13 Quit Strath (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 03.32.31 # Membrillo: there is a language setting in the menu... dunno if it has korean tho 03.32.34 # yeah, when i flashed my h340, i was like, this is bad, but found the option, and all was good 03.32.49 # linuxstb: u around? 03.34.07 # JdGordon: yep 03.34.11 # there is indeed 03.35.05 # :'( there is a language error on the h300 and i doubt it will be easy to fix 03.35.32 # it says "PLAY = yes" in the delete screen... but bloody NAVI is ok, not play :'( (h300) 03.35.52 # you can change it to english 03.36.01 # that is the english 03.36.18 # ummm devs, just a cosmetic thing. when creating a playlist on RB and the insert screen is up (eg "inserted xxxx tracks, off to abort"), when a one digit is in the number, it creates a new line as it can not fit in the one line and it sort of, jumps around 03.37.20 # oh, and xxxx has to be a four digit number 03.38.06 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 03.38.06 NJoin chendo_ [0] (i=chendo@203-206-61-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) 03.38.06 NJoin Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 03.38.51 # how do you open a WPS on rb :s all i can find is browse themes 03.39.07 # JdGordon: This PLAY issue is already known. It will be that way for some time. We have to discuss button mappings thoroughly before changeing anything. This mistake comes from other ports that utilize the PLAY button this way. 03.39.18 # ok 03.39.28 # its just really confusing :p 03.42.22 Join Peter_7373 [0] (n=p_nyers@adsl-36-208.swiftdsl.com.au) 03.42.35 # is button.c not used in the sims? 03.42.42 Part Peter_7373 03.46.59 Quit Strath (Connection timed out) 03.47.17 # for now cant you just change the string to navi = ok? 03.48.21 # i could... but i dont know how rb does translation.. would changin a string effect that? 03.48.41 # (i only use english anyway, so as long as it doesnt crash looking for a non-exsistsnt string i dont care) 03.49.27 Join CBM-away [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 03.49.52 # thats a good point.... im not sure about translations 03.50.34 Quit chendo_ (Connection timed out) 03.51.07 # how do you open WPS's? 03.51.43 # with notepad 03.51.47 # its just a txt file 03.51.54 # no, not edit them 03.52.01 # but load them in RB 03.52.16 # ive found browse themes but thats not WPSs exactly is it? 03.52.35 # browse wps is in the same menu 03.52.51 # no....? 03.53.27 # recent bookmarks, sound settings, general settings, manage settings, browse themes, playlist options, browse plugins, info 03.54.13 # ? 03.54.17 # general > brosw wps 03.54.23 # sorry 03.55.12 # ahhh, General > display > brose wps 03.55.44 # ye, soz 03.55.46 # bbl 03.55.52 # ummm 03.56.04 # when i select one, it just comes up with the code for the wps 03.56.28 # oh right 03.56.32 # as well as loading it 03.56.58 # pitty even with the patchset the midi2wav plugin will just crash the player. 03.58.09 # browse wps should be a viewer.. not a loader :'( 03.58.24 # .. something to play with in 6 weeks when i get back 03.58.42 # well, if it was only a viewer, how would you load new WPSs? 03.59.06 # press rec or something? 03.59.09 # well it shold be both 03.59.15 # like the font loader 03.59.21 # yeah 03.59.25 # :'( i think i accidently deleted my kick ass wps 03.59.39 # you should scroll through like an automatically generated one with set tags for all 03.59.48 # automatically generated screenshot 04.00.00 # that would be absolutely awesome 04.01.37 # ummm ive fixed up the IpodVOL wps and it works 100% 04.01.46 # with the images resized and everything 04.01.53 # should i submit it somehow 04.04.13 # Membrillo: patches can be attached to the patch tracker on www.sf.net/projects/rockbox 04.04.23 # is a WPS a patch? 04.04.41 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.04.43 # nope 04.04.52 # you can put it in the wpsgalery 04.04.56 # well, it can be distributed as one, but if you just bundle up the new files, someone can merge them, just attach the file to the patch tracker. 04.05.20 # (even if it's a zip containing the updated files) 04.05.38 # BBub: yeah, but that won't notify people who can merge it easily. 04.05.58 # ok, thats true 04.06.56 # * Lost-ash wanders off again 04.07.52 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 04.08.05 # can i use the same image twice? for example a bar showing battery left also as volume level? 04.08.46 # ye, prob need to load it twice tho 04.09.15 # sure 04.10.17 # do you guys want to try it out and tell me what to change? 04.10.51 # sure.. upload it somehwere 04.11.29 # okey doke 04.15.00 # .zip format? 04.15.02 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 04.15.06 # hi~ 04.15.21 # hi 04.15.26 # zip will do 04.16.57 # http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/H-Pod.zip 04.17.39 # how do u move the cursor in the text input screen? 04.18.29 # how? 04.18.39 # up down left right....? 04.19.03 # Membrillo: looks alright.. the bmp flasshing annoys me so i use only text screens 04.19.08 # ok fmr preset handling patc is updated for anyone that cares... 04.19.22 # Membrillo 04.19.23 # no 04.19.35 # JdGordon: Does it mean Rockword? 04.19.37 # i mean the cursor in the filename.. 04.19.43 # maybe.... 04.20.11 # JdGordon: yeah i know, hopefully the display code is optimized soon 04.20.27 # Membrillo 04.20.43 # Doesn't it blink? 04.20.43 # on and arrow aparently 04.21.24 Join stevenm [0] (n=stevenm@infranelson.student.umd.edu) 04.22.02 # Hello guys. Long time no see, class/finals suck. Does anyone know which -Ox option is set on rockbox for compiling plugins on the target? 04.22.27 # Damn it! I have to study for them! 04.22.30 # Why do u remind>? 04.22.36 # Have you no heart? 04.22.56 # :'( some1 is having a bbq and i can smell it through my window 04.23.03 # bbs.. getting food 04.23.19 # food I like :) 04.23.50 # aw rats, that reminds me, I should go cook something 04.24.08 # but as for the plugins, are they built -O1, O2, O3, or what? anyone know offhand? 04.24.13 Quit CBM-away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.24.41 # hey guys. 04.25.15 # Can't I use USB keyboard to H300 because using rockbox? 04.25.57 # Is that support it impossibility? 04.26.18 # why? 04.26.25 # why would you want to 04.26.39 # may as well use a laptop 04.27.11 # Because Korean who want to do word work in H300 is many. 04.27.40 # word = document 04.28.29 # cant you do document work on a laptop 04.28.39 # Are they strange? :P 04.28.47 # you will look like a fool with an h3xx and a keyboard 04.28.49 # it would take ages to type a text on the hxxx 04.29.04 # hahaha 04.29.05 # yeah, if that gets implemented 04.29.16 # Don't use the big keyboard. 04.29.34 # it would need to have a touchscreen like a pda 04.29.36 # There is small keyboard that can fold. 04.30.09 # Is available if can support it in H300. 04.30.52 # impossible? 04.30.59 # possible 04.31.02 # ah 04.31.10 # really? 04.31.15 # hahaha 04.31.16 # id say so 04.31.25 # actually 04.31.31 # impossible 04.31.48 # -_-; 04.32.09 # the iriver cant support connection and running, (hence it enters connection mode 04.32.13 # ) 04.32.20 # something to do with one being a slave 04.32.22 # but the h3xx can 04.32.29 # ah? 04.32.44 # how? 04.32.45 # or does it not respond to anything when you attach a camera? 04.32.53 # the the usb 1.1 portz? 04.32.56 # it doesnt respond with anything 04.32.57 # -z 04.33.07 # well actually 04.33.12 # im not sure 04.33.15 # hmmm 04.33.25 # one has to be a slave 04.33.33 # yes, the camera 04.33.33 # you cant have two processing 04.33.38 # I think that may use it by Host function. 04.33.43 # well, the keyboard would have to be the slave 04.33.52 # meaning it couldnt send data 04.34.07 # or the keypad presses 04.34.25 # well, the slave-mode is hardwired on the h1xx 04.34.34 # means it enters the hdd-mode imediately 04.34.48 # hmm.. 04.35.10 # but the h3xx has a second host-controller which should be able to connect to almost anything 04.35.15 # so why no to a keyboard? ;) 04.35.35 # as long as the driver is written 04.35.53 # sure 04.36.57 # I'm confused. 04.37.11 # Is it possible? impossible? 04.37.14 # some pondering must be done on the subject :D 04.37.19 # it is possible 04.37.29 # how? 04.37.36 # as the h3xx can act as a host on the second usb-port 04.37.38 # if it is, vast amounts of opportunities 04.38.15 # open 04.39.52 # Membrillo 04.40.02 # Do you have H300? 04.40.14 # i do indeed 04.41.14 # hmm 04.44.56 # Whom can't make support Hangul input to Rockword? 04.46.42 # what rhymes with stools.... 04.46.51 # besides fools 04.46.59 # bools 04.47.13 # what the shit does bools mean 04.47.35 # -_-? 04.47.36 # bool(ean) is a declaration type 04.47.41 # so maybe the plural is bools? 04.48.10 # thats lame :P 04.49.08 # it sure is 04.52.03 # http://www.myskeletonkey.com/doom/ 04.52.23 # Dooms day Clock 04.57.27 Quit massiveH ("bye bye") 04.58.05 # does rockboy have to be downloaded externally? or is it in the daily builds already 05.00.27 Quit stevenm ("Connection reset by beer") 05.03.30 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB5382A.ipt.aol.com) 05.05.20 # it is in the daily builds 05.05.30 # and the bleeding edge build of course 05.06.11 # how do you access it? 05.06.14 # its not in plugins 05.06.28 # but a rom on your player and start it 05.06.39 # *put 05.06.43 # oh ok 05.06.52 # so you dont have to open rockboy 05.06.54 # sweet 05.08.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.10.31 Join JdGordon41 [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.16.36 # this is def a stupid question BUT 05.16.49 # rockbox parks he drive head when off right? 05.17.09 # well, head needle thing 05.17.20 # im sure it does... 05.17.31 # it does 05.17.41 # listen to the click you can hear when the hdd powers off 05.18.16 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.21 # ok, makin sure cause i just dropped it from about 3 feet onto a pair of jeans i had on my floor 05.18.23 # :) 05.18.36 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.56 # mine already made a flight of about 1 meter 05.19.42 # i dropped my ipod from a foot and the screen shattered 05.19.49 # so i bought my h3xx :) 05.22.42 # huu.. is full 05.23.02 # I'm full :D 05.24.31 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@resnet-252-233.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 05.27.41 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.28.35 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.28.56 Quit dropandho () 05.31.10 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 05.34.26 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 05.44.28 Quit JonSenior ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10") 05.56.03 Quit Membrillo () 06.00.13 Quit Jungti1234 ("bye") 06.00.45 Part DrumRBoy320|Away 06.00.45 Join DrumRBoy320|Away [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 06.01.59 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 06.02.52 # hahaha 06.03.00 # http://kr.music.yahoo.com/ 06.03.52 # Cracking 06.09.20 Quit Jungti1234 ("bye") 06.13.22 Nick DrumRBoy320|Away is now known as DrumRboy320||Awa (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 06.13.33 Nick DrumRboy320||Awa is now known as DrumRBoy320|away (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 06.22.58 Join lamed [0] (n=55402a55@labb.contactor.se) 06.23.15 # 7:30 In the morning... 06.23.22 # Check out my new guide over 06.23.23 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=32898 06.27.28 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 06.28.41 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 06.33.43 # but you are aware that the iriver consumes 2 ampere and your mobo only offers about 0.5 ampere? 06.33.50 # oh, hes already gone 06.34.13 # maybe he comes back when his usb-port is dead 06.35.01 # not if it's a properly built one 06.35.02 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.35.17 # current limiting would kick in, 06.35.21 # that's about it. 06.35.25 # still the power-comsumption of the iriver is four times as high 06.35.30 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-19-241-33.bna.bellsouth.net) 06.35.35 # the device won't charge that quickly, but it wouldn't fail. 06.35.53 # besides, many usb ports, particularly powered hubs can supply much more than usb's officially rated for 06.36.06 # hubs can, thats true 06.36.23 # but mobos have enough to do with supplying the graphics card and the cpu in modern systems 06.36.58 # * Lost-ash blinks 06.37.02 # what's that got to dow ith it? 06.37.15 # the usb sockets should have their own current limiting circuitry. 06.37.27 # they should 06.37.29 # infact, many usb chipsets will disable ports that overdraw. 06.38.54 # but i'd agree. doing this on the motherboard's usb ports is fooldhardy. 06.39.04 # well, i just think iriver had a good reason to not include that feature :) 06.39.08 # on any of their players 06.39.11 # uh, 06.39.22 # correct me if i'm wrong, but doesn't the iriver H3xx charge from usb? :) 06.39.44 # i dont own one, but it could be 06.39.56 # but then again, the h10 doesnt do it 06.40.03 # right, well, all it takes is some sane current limiting on iriver's side, and that's not a problem. 06.46.35 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-144-131-87-242.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 06.51.33 # wow, i just worked out how to use the devkit. I feel proud :D 06.52.22 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.54.09 # i just compiled a win32 sim (i think). Now how do i run it 06.54.51 # im very confused now 06.54.57 Join San [0] (n=Test@212.2.174.59) 06.54.57 # is this where cygwin comes in? 06.55.14 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 06.58.12 # ......? 06.58.46 # can someone explain this? i used the dev kit to create a win32 sim to test my WPSs, now how do i use it 07.01.28 Quit RotAtoR () 07.05.21 # :( 07.08.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.16.35 # dw 07.16.37 # worked it out 07.17.59 # :D 07.18.09 # does kareoke mode work? 07.18.16 # or not done yet on the h300? 07.18.18 Nick JdGordon41 is now known as JdGordon (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.22.00 # is kareoke just stripping the vocals out? 07.22.08 # kareoke mode rather 07.22.24 # i thubj so 07.22.37 # im guessing thubj means think? 07.22.45 # ah ye 07.24.29 # is anyone working on the WPS display code? 07.24.39 # doubt it 07.25.43 # hmmm 07.26.13 # i just did make install in the Devkit and it says "No WPS module present, Can't do WPS magic!" 07.26.17 # what does that mean 07.26.45 # not sure 07.26.49 # happens ehre also 07.28.08 # hmmm 07.28.13 # anyone know what to do? 07.28.45 # aaaaaaanyone out there? 07.28.53 # its just u n me... 07.29.02 # ah shit 07.29.02 # there all dead,,, 07.29.26 # ive spent ages working out how to do this and now it stuffs up on the last step and no ones around to help :'( 07.29.36 # its fine 07.29.41 # u can ignore it 07.29.46 # wheres the EXE file? 07.30.05 # in home/guest// 07.30.34 # ah sweet 07.30.36 # found it 07.31.46 # am i meant to be able to see anything? 07.32.12 # oh wait 07.32.18 # its that setting you need to change 07.32.40 # * JdGordon like this pic 07.32.40 # http://img29.exs.cx/img29/8341/h340ratm3er.jpg 07.33.19 # its very photoshopped lol 07.33.20 # :P 07.33.24 # but yeah its coo 07.33.27 # cool* 07.33.29 # i like RATM 07.35.13 # now ive got the sim working im off 07.35.18 # ccya 07.35.22 Quit Membrillo () 07.40.24 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 07.43.47 # BBub: H100 or H300 definitely doesn't need 2 ampers of current 07.45.06 # The adaptor that comes with the device is rated at 2 A. That means that the adaptor can give maximum 2 A if a device asks for it. 07.45.24 # A proper USB cable can charge and sybc at the same time. 07.45.49 # It is just that the charging will take much longer due to the low current of USB ports (5mA) 07.48.19 # 500mA ;) 07.50.07 # ops yes 07.50.17 # forgot 2 zeros 07.56.23 # any1 here opened there h300? 07.57.34 Quit DJDD_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 07.59.15 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@83.110.209.107) 08.12.50 Join webguest49 [0] (n=478f17f7@labb.contactor.se) 08.15.15 # hello there, sorry to bug but my iriver is stuck in a crash on boot cycle, it crashes on "read file system," i reset with the emergency button, crashes again. i can't turn it off, and have no idea how to fix the problem. any hints (or straight out answers even)? 08.17.35 Quit webguest49 (Client Quit) 08.21.17 Join webguest47 [0] (n=478f17f7@labb.contactor.se) 08.21.31 # test 08.21.43 Quit webguest47 (Client Quit) 08.30.49 Join rizz [0] (n=neko@adsl-71-143-23-247.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 08.32.13 # hey folks, sorry to bug, but i'm having bootcrashing on my iriver 120. it gets to "read file system" then stops. i hard reset it, and it does it again. i can plug it into my pc fine using the USB port, and it reads the disks just dandy fine. any suggestions/answers? 08.33.16 # a brute force solution would be to format it ;p 08.33.36 # through windows i assume? 08.33.55 # mkdosfs -F32 /dev/sda1 :) 08.34.03 # yes or iriver fw 08.35.09 # alright how do i get to the firmware based format? 08.35.40 # options-> general -> format 08.36.41 # but.. it crashes on "read file system" i can't get there 08.37.52 # Bagder: sorry, should be fixed now :) 08.39.55 # is there the xxx2wav.h still on CVS? 08.42.47 # hmm they are gone. Anyway to get them. A backup maybe? 08.44.16 # ha I found them in the CVS under the attic folder 08.46.36 Quit rizz () 08.49.45 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.08.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.03 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 09.15.23 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.17.05 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp43-adsl-53.ath.forthnet.gr) 09.21.59 Join cannard [0] (n=at@60-240-78-211-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 09.22.41 # rizz: i'd chkdisk it first, if it connects in windows 09.22.48 # aah, too late. 09.31.08 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.40.21 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.42.00 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-9-40.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.42.41 Join _Vladoman [0] (n=Vladoman@p54A7D532.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.51.48 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-144-137-192-213.sa.bigpond.net.au) 09.52.41 Quit Zak1392 (Client Quit) 09.55.25 Join Acksaw [0] (i=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust5.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 09.55.29 # hey 09.55.47 # i just "tried" to play sudoku, I know how to play, but this isnt sudoku! 09.56.01 # it has no numbers already in? 09.59.52 Quit Vlad0man (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.47 # Acksaw: u gotta get game files 10.04.51 # the wiki has a likn 10.04.52 # link 10.04.57 # ahh 10.05.01 # that explains it 10.05.03 # link? 10.05.09 # google.com :p 10.05.17 # nvm 10.06.15 # http://www.angusj.com/sudoku/ 10.06.39 # how much iram does h120 has? 10.07.08 # 32mb isnt it? 10.07.45 # maybe, I don't know if the iram is a different memory 10.09.30 # µ/allocine le carton 10.09.35 # oops sry 10.12.29 # According to my datasheet, the h120 has 96kb Iram broken into a 32kb and 64kb bank.. 10.14.15 # 96kb??? 10.15.41 # yes 10.16.12 # iram is different from the main memory of the player obviously 10.16.29 # Rockbox maps these 32KB+64KB into one contiguous block, then splits it between core and plugins/codecs 10.17.01 # IRAM is fast static RAM built into the CPU 10.17.07 # yep, iram is inside the cpu core (and very fast), while dram is placed off chip and is much slower too 10.17.25 # AH, ok, i thought iram wqas the main ram 10.17.40 # so the plugin iram is 32kb? 10.17.47 # In addition, only 1 of the Iram banks is dma-able.. 10.19.03 # XavierGr: No, plugins and codecs share one half of the IRAM 10.19.16 # That means, a plugin that uses IRAM needs to stop playback first 10.19.29 # ...otherwise it will crash rockbox 10.19.56 # I need to set a buffer. How big will I have to set it? 10.20.18 # The bigger the better as it will write to disk 10.21.00 # but it is commented "gonna run out of iram" 10.21.17 # so it must be set accordingly right? 10.26.19 # Hmm, what are you doing? Do you really need iram for that 10.26.19 # ? 10.26.42 # Slasheri: Is this morse stuff really faster/ easier than the standard vkeyboard?? 10.26.45 # You should put buffer to dram unless you need a really fast accesses to it 10.26.50 # * amiconn can't imagine that... 10.27.05 # amiconn: yes it is, if you have learnt the morse alphabets 10.27.22 # and it's a nice thing for learning them too :) 10.27.51 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-19-241-33.bna.bellsouth.net) 10.28.06 # Slasheri: I picked u the xxx2wav files and working onthe mid2wav plugin. 10.28.20 # amiconn: at least you don't need to nagitave through the keyboard and find the correct character.. So, if it's not faster, it should be at least easier to type 10.28.39 # XavierGr: ah, then you most definately shouldn't use iram for buffering 10.28.42 # I don't know much about it but it has a big buffer that outputs wave data to disk 10.29.02 # it was set to 2000 but it is small and hogs the disk 10.29.27 # if I set it more that ~42500 it will complain that the iram is full on compile time 10.31.47 # amiconn: with cw, communication speed is typically 25 - 60 characters/s (depending on how good people manage the morse alphabets). I can't imagine how this could be possible with the standard virtual keyboard :) 10.32.30 # wow 60 characters/s? 10.32.38 # Hmm, but I imagine the select button being a far-from ideal button for morse input... 10.32.40 # are you sure? I mean 60/second? 10.32.41 # XavierGr: yes 10.32.58 # I doubt that 10.33.03 # but the long-key-press for the - would kill that speed 10.33.07 # i am.. the was even a cw test where user should manage that speed 10.33.10 # unless . is a diff key to - ? 10.33.19 # it's true though that in a recent contest... 10.33.23 # CW1 (for beginners) had 40/s and CW2 60/s 10.33.35 # but now it's 25/s and cw is not mandatory any more 10.33.47 # ..--.. ..- ...-- ---... .. ...- 10.34.07 # between a chapions in an sms writer and a mors code guy, morse beat the hell up of the sms in means of speed. 10.34.43 # Slasheri: Morse input lacks the "/" for renaming. Can you add that? 10.34.44 # not nescacerily... it all depends how long the - needs to be held for... 10.35.12 # XavierGr: i doubt that is a standard code.. but i will investigate 10.35.38 # what is CW? 10.36.16 # amiconn: i just checked from papers and it was 60/s to get the highest level amateur radio license 10.36.50 # amateur? 10.36.53 # XavierGr: it just means telegraphy 10.36.57 # how about proffesionals? 10.37.11 # 60/s would mean more than 60 Hz (since morse code has more than one element per letter) 10.37.16 # hehe, i just need to find i good site for you 10.37.27 # I think that should read 60/min 10.37.28 # *would 10.37.39 # amiconn: oh, of course.. 10.37.42 # sorry about that :D 10.37.50 # Slasheri: I seriously doubt that they can write 60 characters per second. 1 second is 2 maybe 1 long clicks for the iriver. 10.37.55 # hehe :D 10.37.58 # A _huge_ difference ;) 10.40.53 # XavierGr: http://www.irony.com/ham-howto.html 10.41.04 # there seems to be a short introduction 10.41.15 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 10.41.36 # ah now I get it. He uses a static char array which if set to high cant fit. 10.41.50 # The same problem I had with the file scrolling jpeg viewer 10.41.59 # I will make it to use a pointer instead 10.42.14 # that way it would be able to make a big big buffer. 10.47.16 # grrr now that I found the biggest array it will accept it will just lag a specific interval during playback of the wav file 10.48.03 Join webguest41 [0] (n=c304205c@labb.contactor.se) 10.48.44 # int currentSample IDATA_ATTR; <- what kind of declaration is this? 10.49.37 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-144-137-192-213.sa.bigpond.net.au) 10.49.54 # hey everyone 10.51.41 # Slasheri: Hmm, it seems you're right; it doesn't need much practice to be relatively fast with morse input 10.52.01 # :) 10.52.12 # I think it would be nice to enable morse input for archos, but it needs some work 10.52.26 # Archos can't show all codes in one screen 10.52.27 # well as I mentioned you should add a '/' for renames 10.52.54 # Hmm, yes. Scrolling support for the alphabets display and for players without a graphical lcd, entirely new code.. 10.53.22 # Slasheri: Btw, is there a reason why the - isn't shown as - ? 10.54.38 # Hmm, you mean the symbols for . and -? 10.54.47 # yes 10.55.03 # - would take more space.. no other reason 10.56.09 # so that could be changed but then we need to be able to scroll because everything wouldn't fit on the screen at once 10.56.27 # is the battery percentage correct on h300s? 10.56.34 # also you could add to scroll on the bar by simple holding left or right 10.56.50 # there is no need to hold play together with the direction 10.57.06 # and on archos targets up or down could change the legend to show more letters 10.57.28 # Couldn't the Archos morse chart be a bitmap? That way it could fit the screen.... 10.57.37 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@port547.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 10.58.02 # can anyone answer my Q? 10.58.42 # XavierGr: in morse mode, scrolling on the bar with left/right works now 10.59.04 # XavierGr: Yes, for recorder and Ondio, but the player has no up/down 10.59.52 # Zak1392: It is right, but it is a mere guess 11.00.21 # Though maybe it will need a bit more of optimization because H300 has larger amper needs. 11.00.54 # the battery life goes down a hell of a lot quicker with rockbox 11.01.03 # Zak1392: If you can compile see my battery_benchmark plugin on the patchtracker run a test and tell us your results 11.01.47 # Slasheri: would you consider changing the morse key away from joystick? 11.02.02 # Slasheri: We need some clever ideas for button mapping, especially for Ondio 11.02.40 # The Ondio vkeyboard doesn't use a separate flip key, but flips through pages with left/right in the picker area 11.02.41 # Musicmad: hmm, maybe but why? i think it's the best key to type in morse 11.02.54 # amiconn: yes, true 11.03.24 # Slasheri: Because the click buttons can easily be damaged from use 11.03.37 # ^buttons r/s 11.03.37 # Musicmad: with other buttons, you don't feel anything and you would easily type errors 11.03.40 # ah :/ 11.03.45 # argh buttons = button 11.06.11 # Slasheri: what XavierGr said. Plus is noisy as hell :) 11.06.14 # it's 11.06.50 # Slasheri: I think the feedback from the other buttons is more than sufficient actually. 11.07.04 # well the next candidate is the record key, you could add this key too and let the user choose which one he wants. We have many keys unassigned in this screen so it wouldn't be a problem 11.07.24 # How 'bout "click" and also "up"? 11.07.52 # how about "hold"? 11.08.01 # :D 11.08.24 # nahh it would be tricky and damaging 11.08.36 # erhm that was a joke. 11.09.01 # Hmm, probably we have to create a menu option to specify the behaviour for morse: Which button to use, the delays and behaviour (click-down and hold or click-hold etc.) 11.09.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.09.07 # now that I think of it. What if your hold button breaks on hold position (internally) 11.09.15 # the player is rendered useless. 11.09.25 # No bootloader no normal fw ;p 11.12.41 Quit webguest41 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.15.01 # Slasheri: The 'accept' button mapping on Ondio & player is another issue. They are currently mapped to long Mode resp. long Play, which would block inputting a - 11.19.46 # anyone that cares about optimizing midi2wav.c? It is 78% realtime currently with no ASM included. 11.23.04 # * amiconn wonders how the vkeyboard could look like with full unicode support 11.23.13 # * amiconn prods Bagder 11.23.21 # hehe 11.24.31 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 11.24.51 # I can imagine the selfextracting .ajz will be faster when loaded by original archos rom firmware 11.25.23 # The archos descrambler is rather slow, and there is less data to descramble when loading a compressed .ajz 11.25.34 # This could make up for the decompression time... 11.31.00 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 11.37.13 # yaho 11.37.50 # +o 11.38.40 # I understood cygwin use myself! 11.39.19 Quit Acksaw () 11.39.24 # I use it and I compile myself. 11.39.48 # It was difficult that learn it. 11.40.07 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.40.49 # bbl 11.40.51 Part amiconn 11.43.51 Join |Bger| [0] (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 11.43.51 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.45.06 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-141-12.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 11.45.11 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB5382A.ipt.aol.com) 11.47.20 Join San||Away [0] (n=Test@213-202-141-12.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 12.01.23 Quit Bger (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.05.53 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.06.05 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-141-12.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 12.08.07 Quit San||Away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.11.13 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 12.14.10 # Is no one here? 12.17.43 # im here... 12.17.48 # haha 12.18.11 # May I ask a question to you? 12.19.13 # can you ask me a question ;) 12.19.18 # ok 12.19.25 # I use cygwin. 12.19.45 # Error becomes to creat firmware. 12.19.52 # creat = make 12.20.16 # XavierGr: Have you got the midi2wav plugin working? 12.20.21 # whats the error? 12.20.33 # In drivers/lcd-16bit.c 12.20.49 # wait JdGordon 12.21.07 # I will take screenshot. 12.21.43 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc1e3.b.pppool.de) 12.22.06 # * JdGordon will be back right after these short messages from our sponsors 12.22.10 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.22.43 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.22.50 # hi 12.23.05 # hi 12.23.06 Join JonSenior [0] (n=root@host86-131-184-135.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) 12.23.31 # .. and we're back 12.23.45 # ok 12.25.51 # JdGordon 12.25.52 # http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/a.JPG 12.26.01 # See this. 12.26.34 Join Philip [0] (n=Philip_0@user-1822.l2.c2.dsl.pol.co.uk) 12.27.02 Quit JonSenior (Client Quit) 12.27.04 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-151-1-45-196.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.27.14 # <|Bger|> Jungti1234: any patches ? 12.30.13 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 12.31.28 Quit Lear (Excess Flood) 12.32.36 Join JonSenior [0] (n=root@host86-131-184-135.range86-131.btcentralplus.com) 12.33.55 # unicode 12.34.10 # hey, JdGordon 12.34.16 # hey 12.34.22 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 12.34.26 # its prob the unicode patch then 12.34.30 # remove it and all should be good 12.34.42 # Did you see it? 12.34.58 # of find the file bidi_suport_enabled and add the function prototype to the correct .h file 12.35.08 # or the top of lcd-16bit.c 12.35.30 # * JdGordon is preparing for tomorow... only semi here 12.35.55 # hmm 12.36.07 # I didn't understand. 12.36.20 # w00t im going on a 747 :D 12.36.27 # <|Bger|> wow :) 12.36.32 # wow 12.36.44 # <|Bger|> Jungti1234: u must go and play with source ... 12.36.58 # Has anyone here had any success with emulating the Coldfire (And thus, the original firmware)? Or has all the work been done by hand? I can't get the coldfire emulator to execute anything as it always seg faults. 12.37.49 # JonSenior: No, I don't think anyone has tried the emulator. It was talked about before we had code running on the target, but I don't think anyone thought it would be useful to put any work into it. 12.37.53 # Where do go? 12.38.00 # Just trying to separate the code blocks from the data in the H300 firmware, and thus be able to track routines that operate on GPIO. 12.38.28 # I can't get my head around what is going on after the descrambling. 12.40.23 # Which emulator are you using JonSenior ? 12.40.41 # The coldfire one that is mentioned in the wiki 12.40.56 # The only other options appear to be quite pricey commercial ones. 12.41.14 # its only as pricey as your p2p client :p 12.41.37 # <|Bger|> Jungti1234: give me a link to the patch 12.41.43 # However the emulator will happily dissassemble the machine code, but crashes if I try to run anything. 12.41.56 # I have been working on QEMU myself, but I'm stalled adding the MAC unit operations at the moment (stalled due to lack of time mainly) 12.42.13 Quit Rob2222 () 12.42.17 # JDGordon: I haven't looked, but I don't imagine they'll be that popular. They're not in the Top 10! ;-) 12.42.42 # perplexity: Is there a web page with the current state of play on it? 12.42.51 # Anyone know why there is a HAVE_RTC condition around the ata_flush() in lines 139 and 296 of apps/gui/gwps.c ? I thought that even targets with RTC RAM would also store some settings on disk ? 12.43.58 # Nope.. it's a hack based on a svn repository I found floating around somewhere 12.45.40 # If I had seen the one in the wiki I'd get onto that instead.. mine was only going to emulate userspace stuff, I'll help with that one to do full system emulation.. I'd love to boot the original firmware. 12.47.02 # linuxstb: I'd guess it is saving the resume point that is the main interest here... Still, looks a bit odd, I agree. :) 12.47.32 # <|Bger|> Jungti1234? 12.47.46 # perplexity: PaulS is already working on adding the 5249 to the coldfire emulator, I'm waiting for a reply to an email I sent him to see where he got to. 12.48.07 Nick |Bger| is now known as Bger (n=Bager@83.142.21.199) 12.48.57 # I was working on a generic simulator (configurable to different systems) but it never really made it past the planning stage, and it would have been horrendous to impliment a 32bit processor with it. 12.49.48 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD7276.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.51.19 # wb, amiconn 12.51.30 # why? 12.51.45 # Jungti1234: to apply it here and see the problem ... 12.51.59 # wait 12.52.26 # * amiconn prods Bagder again 12.54.01 # Jungti1234: just give me the link in the patch tracker ... 12.54.09 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB5382A.ipt.aol.com) 12.54.09 # hehe okok wait 12.55.57 Join test123 [0] (n=d507c1e3@labb.contactor.se) 12.56.06 Quit test123 (Client Quit) 12.56.10 Join webguest35 [0] (n=54388cb6@labb.contactor.se) 12.56.15 Quit webguest35 (Client Quit) 12.56.46 # Bger: http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/home.zip 12.57.00 # heh, Jungti1234, ok, w8 12.58.47 # Btw, anyone managed to build a Coldfire-target version of gcc 4.0.2 using gcc 3.4.4? 12.59.26 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.03.18 # is there a working txt editor for rb? 13.03.24 # JdGordon? 13.03.27 # for rb??? 13.03.38 # ye, as in edit txt on the player 13.03.47 # hm, no atm 13.03.53 # bugger 13.09.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.09.33 # silly q i know... but... how often are new bootloaders normally needed? i mean once its stable.. 13.09.40 # amiconn: Do you know the reason for the two references to HAVE_RTC present in apps/gui/gwps.c ? 13.10.53 # Bger 13.11.09 # Did you see it? 13.11.15 # w8, Jungti1234 13.11.20 # ok 13.11.27 # JdGordon: i think someone yesterday said they had a working txt editer for the h300 13.11.37 # kewl 13.11.39 # eli_ahere 13.11.40 # linuxstb: yes 13.11.42 # eli_something, he made the paint plugin 13.11.48 # on MR forums? 13.11.48 # or smthing simillar 13.11.50 # thx bger :p 13.11.59 # yes JdGordon 13.12.07 # should be in the logs somewhere 13.12.17 # ta 13.12.21 # eli_sherer 13.12.22 # eli_sherer 13.12.24 # he. 13.12.27 # echo 13.12.28 # echo 13.12.28 # http://www.freewebs.com/eli_sherer/ 13.12.49 # he made sokoban colour :D 13.12.55 # my hero haha 13.13.03 # and he made RockWord 13.13.12 # silly q i know... but... how often are new bootloaders normally needed? i mean once its stable.. - a new one is released whenever something important needs changing/adding. Linusn doesn't like to release them too often. 13.13.23 # I want that it supports Hangul. :) 13.13.35 # oh 13.13.36 # ye, thats what i figured 13.14.13 # does any1 think the new h300 fw feels faster (iriv, not rb v3) 13.14.16 # Is flood in France? 13.14.18 # once the h3x00 becomes stable i doubt you'll see a new one for a while, or whent he next new target is out 13.14.50 Join elfez [0] (n=dsw@cpc3-cmbg6-3-0-cust223.cmbg.cable.ntl.com) 13.16.16 # JdGordon: no 13.16.19 # I don't 13.16.28 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.16.37 # hmm.. feels faster here 13.16.58 # JdGordon: for the menu still sucks 13.17.02 # for me 13.17.14 # the long press to go to the menu sucks 13.17.17 # on record 13.17.32 # I'm getting a hard lockup with an iriver build from Oct 20th - any lockup bugs been fixed sice then (where do I look?) 13.17.58 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 13.18.05 # Jungti1234: flood ? 13.18.29 # inundation 13.18.38 # deluge 13.18.39 # in france ? 13.18.45 # yes 13.18.48 # were ? 13.18.57 # not were I leave 13.19.05 # live :) 13.19.06 # ah. 13.19.25 # hehe 13.19.38 # elfez: i would download the latest build and see if that fixes it, there have been a lot of changes since 20th ot 13.19.39 # hm 13.19.56 # Bger: Must I wait yet? 13.19.58 # Jungti1234: did the "make" nearly hangs after making tools? 13.19.59 Quit Nibbler (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.20.25 # what? 13.20.39 # ghode|afk, Will do: Just waiting for battery to drain :) 13.20.41 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-27.dynamic.qsc.de) 13.21.01 # Jungti1234: does the "make" after configure stand a while 13.21.52 # why would you do that elfez? 13.21.55 # hmm 13.22.27 # I don't know whether I speak that you are what. 13.23.54 # ghode|afk: Can't switch the h120 off - hard lockup 13.24.12 # or is there a reset switch? 13.24.26 # yes 13.24.34 # at the bottom of the player, a small pin hole 13.24.46 # next to the usb port 13.24.51 # cyaz 13.24.53 # but does it reset to default state? 13.25.01 # it will reset the player 13.25.10 # ie, does it reset settings al well? 13.25.15 # Jungti: I think Italy has been hit by the storm and Venice has flooded. 13.25.17 # s/al/as 13.25.19 # no 13.25.26 # Jungti: According to the BBC website anyway! 13.25.47 # Very strange. 13.25.53 # ghode|afk: Thanks - reading manuals is for wimps ;) 13.25.57 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.26.09 # reset the player, then plug in the usb cable, and download a new rbx version 13.26.21 # flood in the winter? 13.26.31 Quit Musicmad (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.26.40 # this is still summer time :P 13.26.51 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.27.18 # ah? 13.27.26 # The South Korea is very cold. 13.30.14 # Bger 13.30.29 # Explain much more. 13.34.46 # Jungti1234: my devkit "hands' 13.35.03 # ~/rb_unicode/jungti/rockbox/build>make 13.35.03 # make -C /home/guest/rb_unicode/jungti/rockbox/tools CC=gcc rdf2binary scramble d 13.35.03 # escramble mkboot bmp2rb convbdf 13.35.03 DBUG Enqueued KICK Bger 13.35.03 # make[1]: `rdf2binary' is up to date. 13.35.03 # make[1]: `scramble' is up to date. 13.35.04 *** Alert Mode level 1 13.35.04 # make[1]: `descramble' is up to date. 13.35.06 # make[1]: `mkboot' is up to date. 13.35.06 # hands? 13.35.08 # make[1]: `bmp2rb' is up to date. 13.35.10 # make[1]: `convbdf' is up to date. 13.35.12 # after that 13.35.14 # hangs 13.35.16 # sorry 13.35.24 # ??? 13.35.28 # i suppose there is a loop after this 13.35.31 # in the makefiles 13.36.04 # hmm... 13.36.25 # Did you make already? 13.36.54 # no... 13.38.19 # hmmmm... 13.38.28 # maybe -x problem 13.41.51 # waklhfqif 13.42.04 # I can't know what problem is. 13.45.05 *** Alert Mode OFF 13.46.05 # Jungti1234: w8 sec 13.46.14 # ok 13.47.21 # ghode|afk: Seems fixed with new fw - can't reproduce the problem... Thanks :) 13.52.49 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbc6e.b.pppool.de) 13.55.56 Quit Zak1392 () 13.56.27 # Jungti1234: your patch is not full 13.56.39 # right 13.56.48 # that is, unicode_1202.patch 13.56.53 # yes 13.57.42 # execute it again with -R switch added to the patch command to remove it 13.58.08 # how? 13.58.42 # u did patch -p1 < ../unicode_1202.patch in the rockbox dir, yep ? 13.59.00 # -p0 13.59.08 # huh ? 13.59.20 # and it applyed ? 13.59.31 # elfez: np 13.59.49 # patch -p0 -d . < unicode_1202.patch 14.00.02 # I don't know 14.00.04 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.00.06 # Jungti1234, w8 sec 14.00.17 # I don't well English. ^^: 14.01.57 Join |Lupin| [0] (n=Lupin@l03m-212-195-119-168.d2.club-internet.fr) 14.02.11 # Jungti1234: do you remember in which directory u run it 14.02.18 # <|Lupin|> Hello, there ! 14.02.28 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14.02.28 # * amiconn wonders about Lear's latest change 14.02.29 # hi 14.02.48 # * Lear wonders which? 14.02.56 # <|Lupin|> I'm wondering if RockBox can record voice on Iriver, now ? If it can not, may I ask what's missing ? 14.02.58 # hmm 14.03.06 # Lear: The win32 yield() change. 14.03.08 # Jungti1234: just run in the same dir " patch -p0 -R -d . < unicode_1202.patch " 14.03.15 # Ah, what about it? 14.03.23 # ah ok 14.03.23 # It looks like you added the wait magic yourself... 14.03.27 # wait 14.03.39 # this will remove the patch 14.03.41 Join pfavr [0] (n=chatzill@0x50a32a37.unknown.tele.dk) 14.03.48 # amiconn: quick q about patch 14.03.56 # Sure did, and it worked when I added it. Now this works better... 14.03.59 # Lupin, which irver do you have? 14.04.21 # <|Lupin|> ghode|afk: 1xx I think. 14.04.22 # why remove? 14.04.39 # should be able to then 14.04.50 Part pfavr 14.05.00 # <|Lupin|> ghode|afk: Really ? It is out of the debug menu now ? 14.05.07 # yup 14.05.12 # <|Lupin|> great ! 14.05.16 # A-B > Recording > PLay around :p 14.05.19 # if the filenames in the patchfile say something like "diff -ruN rockbox-devel/apps/" and your dir is named "rockbox", what will patch -p0 -d . < do ? 14.05.51 # <|Lupin|> ghode|afk: Wonderful, really. And is this vocalized, too ? 14.06.10 # you mean voice menus? i am not sure 14.06.21 # ?? 14.06.25 # uf 14.06.28 # Jungti1234 14.06.34 # amiconn: do you know? 14.06.38 # I don't understand long sentence. 14.06.41 # <|Lupin|> ghode|afk: Yes, it's what I mean. I'm blind. Well if it is not yet vocalized, maybe I canTry to do it... 14.07.53 Join lamed [0] (n=554172c8@labb.contactor.se) 14.07.54 # Bger? 14.07.59 # Jungti1234: 14.08.06 # why -_-; 14.08.23 # well the last update to voice files was the 23/11 so maybe the recording menu is now included 14.08.30 # Jungti1234: i suggest you to do this 14.08.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles 14.08.39 # run rockbox devkit 14.08.55 # It's difficult. 14.09.03 # <|Lupin|> ghode|afk: Thanks. 14.09.12 # ? 14.09.18 # wait 14.09.35 # I it problem many . 14.09.39 # ghode|afk: Most of the recording menu is not voiced 14.09.53 # ...for two reasons 14.10.03 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 14.10.35 # (1) The recording menu can't be voiced on archos, because the MAS can't encode and decode at the same time 14.11.20 # (2) Adding voice clips for the recording menu increases the size of the voice file. It already is really tight on archos 14.11.30 # We really need l10n v2 ... 14.11.43 # Bagder:) 14.11.46 # <|Lupin|> l10n ? 14.11.52 # localisation 14.11.52 # localisation 14.12.12 # there are 10 letters in localisation between the 'l" and "n" 14.12.19 # <|Lupin|> amiconn: Well I understand your points very well, it's just a pity for me cause recording with Iriver's proprietary firmware is a pain... 14.12.57 # <|Lupin|> Bger: yup I know the principle. www.a11y.worg :-) 14.12.57 # hey Bger 14.13.03 Join jomtones [0] (n=53920ecf@labb.contactor.se) 14.13.04 # Jungti1234: 14.13.09 # did u run the devkit 14.13.21 # It's much problem. 14.13.27 # ? 14.13.32 # I gave up while I try it already. 14.13.34 # what is the prablem 14.13.41 # heh .. ok... 14.13.58 # There is no file inside tools folder. 14.14.17 # hi! 14.14.18 # hm 14.14.21 # Retry then. 14.14.24 # Jungti1234: just run it 14.14.26 # wait 14.14.30 # can anyone help with a queuing question? 14.14.41 # not the make etc, just run Rockbox DevKit 14.15.14 # I wanna know if there's a simple way to queue up another file - like the 'hit a-b' system in the iRiver firmware... 14.15.31 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc135.b.pppool.de) 14.15.55 # <|Lupin|> Away. Please query me if you've sth to tell me. Else I'll miss theMessage. 14.20.00 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.21.17 # gotsa go i'll try l8r 14.21.17 Quit jomtones ("CGI:IRC") 14.31.37 Join San [0] (n=Test@A-105-214.cust.iol.ie) 14.32.23 Join CableMan391 [0] (i=CableMan@pool-71-249-81-236.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 14.33.51 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de22322.alshamil.net.ae) 14.34.04 Part CableMan391 14.46.47 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.10 # Lear: (I've just read your email to rockbox-dev) I know that at least the dependencies are not working properly with the codecs, so at least that needs to be fixed. The problem is probably that any mistakes which were present with the first codec have just been duplicated about 10 times. A cleanup is definitely needed. 14.53.11 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc1e1.b.pppool.de) 14.53.53 # Bagder: Why does the daily build table say it builds 35 targets, but only 34 are listed in the table? 14.55.47 # linuxstb: If you introduced CONFIG_RTC, you don't need a separate HAVE_RTC 15.00.09 Join len0x [0] (i=user@du213-130-142-57.as15444.net) 15.00.45 # any devs around ? 15.03.30 # grrrrrr 15.03.39 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.37 # grrr? :) 15.04.53 # :D 15.04.57 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@port547.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 15.06.15 # amiconn: I thought it might be clearer to keep the HAVE_RTC define. But you're right that they are equivalent, and probably always will be. 15.06.35 # CONFIG_LED works the same way 15.06.36 # someone's around i see :) 15.06.47 # (or rather, used to work the same way) 15.07.26 # anyone knows why default settings might not be restored properly if defines as enum? 15.08.13 # amiconn: Do you mean that there used to be both CONFIG_LED and HAVE_LED, but the latter was removed? 15.08.31 # I mean the just was HAVE_LED in the beginning 15.08.42 # Then we added virtual LED support for Ondio 15.08.59 # We introduced CONFIG_LED and removed HAVE_LED 15.09.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.09.24 # CONFIG_LED == LED_REAL means there is a real, controllable LED 15.09.42 # CONFIG_LED == LED_VIRTUAL means there is a virtual LED in the status bar 15.10.09 # If we wanted none of these 2, CONFIG_LED wouldn't be defined at all 15.10.52 # This principle is no longer 'clean' since the virtual LED addition for the H100 remote 15.12.21 Part len0x 15.13.27 # Have a nice day all 15.13.37 Quit Jungti1234 ("bye") 15.13.56 # <|Lupin|> gotta go 15.13.58 # <|Lupin|> bye there 15.14.03 Quit |Lupin| ("leaving") 15.15.58 # amiconn: If I think of CONFIG_RTC in the same way as CONFIG_TUNER then I agree with you. So I agree with you :) 15.16.33 # CONFIG_TUNER is different from all other multi-value config options 15.16.40 # ...in that it is a bit mask 15.17.19 # ...because we need to support 2 different tuners on Ondio FM, detected at runtime 15.17.57 # Yes, I realise that. 15.18.32 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@Toronto-HSE-ppp3750726.sympatico.ca) 15.20.19 # If CONFIG_RTC is not always defined, and I use a line like #if CONFIG_RTC == RTC_M41ST84W in a SOURCES file, will that work as expected? 15.21.26 # I guess I need a #ifdef CONFIG_RTC around it. 15.21.49 # no 15.22.05 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.22.07 # Just make sure none of the possible RTC_* values is 0 15.23.06 # So if CONFIG_RTC is undefined, the pre-processor gives it the value 0 ? 15.23.23 # yes, when used in expressions 15.24.14 # So the #ifdef CONFIG_TUNER in firmware/SOURCES isn't needed? 15.25.41 Quit Musicmad (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.27.12 # Yes, it *should* not be necessary 15.29.00 # Why do you say *should* ? 15.29.46 Join San [0] (n=Test@213-202-149-81.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 15.29.53 # Just because I didn't try it. 15.30.14 # ...and I think there might be a reason why it is there 15.30.23 # hey, where can i get rockboy.rock? 15.30.26 # i have it already, it is for someone else 15.31.21 # San: It's included with Rockbox. So if someone else has Rockbox, he/she has Rockboy. 15.31.53 # yeah, thats what I said, and they said they didn't have rockboy.rock or /.rockbox/rockboy 15.32.30 # In which case, they either have a very old version of Rockbox, or they haven't installed it properly. 15.33.08 # Just tell them to get the latest rockbox.zip from the Rockbox website, and unzip that to their player. 15.33.13 # i will tell them that 15.33.20 # they probally need a dailybuild 15.33.26 # . /.rockbox/rockboy is created by rockboy itself, as soon as it writes a savegame 15.33.49 # ah 15.35.14 # And Rockboy is a viewer, not a plugin - so rockboy.rock is in .rockbox/viewers/ 15.42.25 Quit elfez ("Leaving") 15.43.01 Join San||Away [0] (n=Test@213-202-149-81.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 15.45.41 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 15.55.34 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 15.56.28 # amiconn: Do you know if the uisimulator/win32/rockbox.dsp file is obsolete? 15.59.48 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.57 Part Philip 16.02.53 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4724D.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.20.59 Quit cannard ("2.0 Build 3515") 16.33.36 Join cannard [0] (n=at@60-240-78-211-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 16.39.05 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 16.43.18 Quit Benacool () 16.47.02 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc149.b.pppool.de) 16.47.05 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 16.47.11 # re 16.47.42 # sorry, but where do i find the new sound option "prevent clipping.." 16.47.43 # ? 16.52.13 # Sound Settings > Prevent Clipping 16.52.28 # Sound Settings > Clipping mode sorry 16.53.04 # wether i am blind or my last update didnt work well 16.53.06 # :o 16.53.55 # g2g will come back l8er.. 16.54.08 # Is that what he ended up calling it? "Clipping mode"? 17.05.09 Join BBub_ [0] (i=belzebub@dslb-084-059-218-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.08.10 # thats probably because of me :P 17.09.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.14.35 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.15.23 Join webguest53 [0] (n=864c0377@labb.contactor.se) 17.16.58 # hi, is there a button combination to skip the next track in WPS? 17.17.33 # linuxstb: I think so. Build compatibility with MSVC is long gone... 17.22.40 # amiconn: That's what I assumed. But I won't delete anything - there seems to be various win32 build files there, and I'm not sure which are only used by MSVC. 17.23.31 Quit BBub (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.23.32 Nick BBub_ is now known as BBub (i=belzebub@dslb-084-059-218-035.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.25.15 # linuxstb: Afaiu all of the following files could be deleted: rockbox.dsp, uisw32.sln, uisw32.suo, uisw32.vcproj, Makefile.vc6 17.26.05 # plugin.def and uisw32.rc have to stay. These are independent of MSVC 17.26.42 # The icon and the .bmp files too, of course 17.28.23 Quit Sucka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.29.26 # amiconn: I'll leave that to you, if you want to remove them. I only mentioned it because there was a reference to HAVE_RTC in rockbox.dsp 17.29.36 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 17.29.38 # (and still is) 17.29.54 # anything major in the dailybuilds 17.29.55 # ? 17.29.59 Nick San||Away is now known as San (n=Test@213-202-149-81.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 17.31.11 # linuxstb: This just looks like a compiler call, explicitly defining the symbol 17.31.20 # (aka hackish) 17.32.38 # Yes, I didn't think there was any point in updating it - rockbox.dsp looks broken already. 17.33.30 # i.e. it only supports the recorder and player as possible targets. 17.33.58 # msvc support is broken beyond repair 17.34.06 # ...and nobody seems to care anyway 17.35.35 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bbcb3.b.pppool.de) 17.35.39 # oh, you guys know that the scroll bug is back with bootloader v3? 17.36.15 # What scroll bug? 17.36.38 # when you are scrolling through loads of folders and then take your finger off, it continues 17.37.51 # So it was fine with bootloader v2? 17.37.58 # yes 17.38.03 # perfect, I loved it 17.38.27 # This has nothing to do with the bootloader 17.38.57 # yeah, jst saying though 17.39.08 # yesterdays dailybuild then 17.40.06 # wait 17.40.13 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.40.18 # just updated the dailybuild and it is working fine now 17.40.19 # :D 17.40.30 # H300? 17.40.42 # Do you have a LCD remote? 17.41.10 # re 17.46.38 Join matsl [0] (n=user@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 17.51.26 # Bleh, another option :(( 17.52.16 Join webguest26 [0] (n=5087eaad@labb.contactor.se) 17.52.51 # can someone explain what the new volume options do, prevent clipping, adjust volume etc....? 17.53.22 # ...and explain where they are..cant find them 17.53.50 # sound -> prevent clipping 17.53.54 # not hard to find imo ;) 17.53.56 # These options are one of the worst ideas, imho 17.54.14 # well if I knew what they did I'd comment 17.54.18 # BBub cant see them there :o 17.54.22 Join seffy [0] (i=seffy@DSL217-132-216-25.bb.netvision.net.il) 17.54.30 # maybe they are not available on the h3xx? 17.54.31 # hi 17.54.32 # i dont know 17.55.06 # rockbox.zip 04-Dec-2005 16:58 833K 17.55.10 # used this one 17.55.16 # some know how can i help the ROCKBOX H3XX Project ? 17.55.22 # someone* 17.55.33 # muesli, in wps press and hold, enter "sound settings" submenu, last item on the list 17.55.38 # webguest26: adjust volume keeps bass at full level and lets you not raise the volume anymore after some point and adjust bass lowers the bass so you can reach the full volume 17.55.44 # (1) A lot of extra code for almost no use. (2) Another example of iriver special code with no reason (3) Options to confuse the user 17.56.04 # well, i like it 17.56.24 # i found it uncomfortable to always have to lower the bass to get a higher volume 17.56.32 # and the "off" setting ? 17.56.41 # disables every prevention 17.56.51 # so you can have full bass at full volume 17.57.12 # webguest26 theres stereo width 17.57.17 # but no clipping option 17.57.18 Quit seffy (Client Quit) 17.57.24 # BBub: Imho it would have been a good solution to implement preglow's idea cobimed with Linus' (and a few other's) preference of a dB volume scale 17.57.46 # muesli, it should be after stereo width 17.58.18 # amiconn: i'm not familiar with that idea, i just saw the sound quality thread on the forum where the now included patch was posted before 17.58.25 # Just prescale the signal to prevent clipping until approaching 0 dB, then gradually remove the prescaling 17.58.37 # after stereo width there's a prevent clipping option 17.58.43 # amiconn: makes sense, yes 17.59.14 # This way a volume setting above 0 would indicate the possibility of clipping, without limiting the volume, and without additional cryptic options 17.59.20 # ..which also mean more code 17.59.51 # Furthermore, the current optionitis also means different behaviour per platform, with no reason 18.00.14 # thats true 18.01.13 # I'm also a little concerned about the apparent desire to clone the behaviour of iriver's firmware "to make Rockbox more familiar to migrating iriver users". That should never be a goal of Rockbox. 18.01.42 # agreed 100% 18.01.55 # First of all, rockbox is multiplatform 18.02.05 # A number of coders seem to forget that 18.02.21 # Second, rockbox aims to be better than the original firmware 18.02.43 # ...which is almost impossible if it clones original firmware behaviour 18.03.07 # <_FireFly_> muesli_-: try the bleeding edge build 18.03.37 # well, but many ppl like it, that the iriver-fw offers you higher volume 18.03.43 # i think thats the point 18.03.48 # and not to clone the firmware 18.03.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily/h120/rockbox-h120-20051204.zip that one? 18.04.17 # BBub: The iriver firmware does *not* offer higher volume, that's simply not true 18.04.20 # But the iriver-fw doesn't offer you higher volume. It just does things behind the scenes to make it seem that way. 18.05.05 # I find the "Prevent clipping" options very criptic, and there's no additional info on the wiki 18.05.10 # <_FireFly_> muesli_-: not the daily ;) i mean the bleeding edge build ... http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h120/rockbox.zip 18.05.10 # ok, but it does not limit the volume that early 18.05.20 # criptic=cryptic 18.05.22 # thats what i meant 18.05.23 # _FireFly_ tried that one 18.05.53 # I could live with the aprroach I mentioned (or if dB volume isn't wanted for whatever reason, using 'percent' values >100 to indicate potential clipping 18.05.57 # ) 18.06.18 # yeah, it's a good approach i agree 18.06.37 # this volume argument has raged for centuries, there is percieved loudness, and actual loudness 18.06.53 # Less code, less options, higher volume than iriver with non-flat tone (at the drawback of potential clipping), and less option clutter 18.07.19 # ...and at last, uniform behviour on all platforms 18.07.31 # if a volume indicator shows 100% then it should be at hardware max, simple 18.07.57 # Yes, so >100% could be used to indicate potential clipping, 18.08.18 # but I'd vote for switching to dB anyway 18.09.21 # i like the idea of scaling down the bass at high volumes to prevent clipping 18.09.35 # yes and allow the user to turn it down if it clips 18.09.42 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: and maybe add an wps-tag which converts the db value to a percent value for those you whant percent-values 18.10.04 # <_FireFly_> s/whant/want 18.10.34 # For the status bar, we could extend the volume indicator setting from graphic-numeric to graphic-percent-dB 18.10.48 # <_FireFly_> yepp 18.11.07 # <_FireFly_> and a "simple" convert-fn from db->% 18.11.31 # Rockbox' volume 'percent' are a linear mapping to dB anyway 18.11.50 # The only thing that differ between platforms here is the factor 18.11.57 # *differs 18.13.10 # <_FireFly_> then a conversion fn would be easy 18.13.14 # Hmm, the new config option "sound_scaling" was added to a weird place in the rtc_bits.. At least it could have been added to the existing HAVE_UDA1380 section if bumping up config block version was really necessary.. 18.14.02 Join akaidiot [0] (n=nope@c-e443e255.363-1-64736c11.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 18.17.57 # <_FireFly_> had some of the main-devs got some time to look at the new-wps-file-loader patch ?? 18.18.32 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-215-204.netcologne.de) 18.23.13 # what does "adjust current" in prevent clipping optons imply 18.25.22 # no idea 18.25.43 # See, that's what I mean. Many cryptic options... 18.25.53 # <_FireFly_> ;) 18.26.00 # Even I don't know what it does... 18.26.15 # and the wiki hasn't been updated, no luck there 18.26.17 # <_FireFly_> len0x should know it 18.26.33 # <_FireFly_> afaik he has created commited this patch 18.26.53 # <_FireFly_> *and commited* 18.28.11 # Last option allows you to manually adjust volume/bass, so that the other metric gets decreased while you modifying current one. 18.28.21 # ^ from the forum 18.29.00 # way to cryptic 18.29.01 Quit DimaTech (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.29.31 # Then 'adjust current' is plain wrong. It adjusts *the other* value(s) to prevent clipping 18.29.44 Quit Bgr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.05 Join Bgr [0] (n=Bager@83.222.160.88) 18.32.36 Join stupid_ro [0] (n=at@60-240-3-206-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 18.32.52 # what other metric gets decreased if "you manually adjust" volume and bass ? 18.34.50 # oh I see, if you increase bass it decreases volume, and retains that setting throughout the volume range, (thats my interpretation of it) 18.35.38 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-233-61.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 18.36.01 # but thats what the first two settings do anyway 18.36.05 # I still am of the opinion that it should all just be in the user's control. Having things change in the background seems like a generally bad idea. Does it at least show you the new value for the other if you go look? 18.36.19 # * webguest26 is confused 18.36.36 # webguest26: It sounds like "Volume has priority" "Bass has priority" and "Whichever is being currently adjusted has priority" 18.36.49 # no, it shows the old value 18.37.18 # Bloody stupid if you ask me then. You've got settings getting changed and you can't even see what they've become. 18.37.26 Join DimaTech [0] (n=dimatech@ool-457ab87d.dyn.optonline.net) 18.37.46 Join webguest77 [0] (n=52e30123@labb.contactor.se) 18.38.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: It would be like that with preglow's and Linus' suggestion 18.39.11 # hmm, wish the author would add something to the wiki at least 18.39.16 # (and the stupid options would go away again) 18.39.47 # Hey, I was *for* using the dB scale, etc. 18.40.06 # I'm tempted to start working on that right away, but maybe it's better to collect opinions first 18.40.54 # i think it would be better if the actually applied value showed in brackets after the set value (e.g. if you set bass to 18 and prevent clippung to "adjust bass" the bass shuld be shown as 18 (0) at volume 100) 18.41.01 Quit Bger () 18.41.02 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: if you would ask me then do it :) 18.41.36 # amiconn: I vote in favor as well. 18.41.58 # I mean, your solution gives the user the full range of choices, without an options entry, no? 18.42.05 Quit cannard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.05 Nick stupid_ro is now known as cannard (n=at@60-240-3-206-nsw-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 18.42.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, exactly 18.42.15 # it would be nice if volume scaled to max hardware irrespective of bass or treble settings, let the user turn it down if it clips 18.43.28 # amiconn: So, the only real negative is that "dB scale could confuse people" and even that can be solved by adding a third choice to how volume is displayed in the status bar. 18.43.53 # most folks dont understand db scales 18.44.21 # webguest26: afaiu you have this behaviour if you set prevent clipping to "off" 18.44.24 Quit DimaTech (Remote closed the connection) 18.44.36 # I would do it for all platforms as well (for recorder and Ondios, it's just a scale change; the handling itself is done in the MAS the same way as it would be handled in rockbox for player and iriver) 18.44.39 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.46.51 # I think "making behaviour the same across all platforms" is a pretty damn good reason for doing it, too. 18.47.19 # Just to play devil's advocate, Len0x's patch was discussed on the rockbox-dev mailing list - and no-one objected to it there.... 18.47.28 # It was?? 18.47.42 # Yes - under "sound scaling patch" 18.47.43 # * amiconn checks the archive 18.49.36 # cryptic menus and no manual entries makes for difficult understanding of product 18.51.04 # linuxstb: (1) He didn't start a new thread for that. This way many people don't pay as much attention. (2) I can't find any final decision. (3) A similar discussion was held in the channel, iirc also without final decision 18.51.37 # Don't tell me that, I agree with you :) 18.53.53 # (4) Adding more and more options doesn't exactly make rockbox easier to use... 18.55.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20051130.txt starting ~12:20 18.55.48 # in the options menu, you could make a "advanced options" section where you could move the options which confuse most users 18.55.48 # <_FireFly_> btw what about the remote-settings-patch is there any objection/suggestion for to which prevents that it gets commited 18.55.55 # In Len0x's defense, there has also been an ongoing discussion of his patch in this thread on the RB forum: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=956.135 18.56.08 # Everyone has their own opinion on "ease of use" anyway. (Not that I disagree, I think that's an exceedingly confusing option). Some people think the menu should be the first thing to display upon booting. 18.57.35 # _FireFly_: Do you mean the remte scroll settings? 18.58.04 # I still didn't look at it yet... 18.58.22 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: yepp but not only scoll-settings are included in this patch 18.58.29 # <_FireFly_> also some more 18.58.32 # Febs: That's one of these endless threads... 18.58.37 # Febs: in a thread initially for something completely different... 18.58.43 # I'll add a description of the scaling patches to the wikimanual later today ... as long as it is not going to be reverted. 18.58.46 # (Well, almost anyway....) 18.58.55 # <_FireFly_> e.g. statusbar/scrollbar settings for the remote 18.58.57 # amiconn, Lear, I know, but I'm just pointing it out. 18.59.56 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.00.07 Join massiveH [0] (n=haunman@user-142g4df.cable.mindspring.com) 19.00.22 # So, the story goes "after much discussion in places earmarked originally as discussion about something else, a decision may or may not have been reached?" 19.02.18 # Perhaps we should have a poll... although I'm not convinced that a poll would be that helpful 19.03.41 # you devs are the experts, you know the hardware and software limitations, I think that the decesion is yours to make 19.04.02 Quit San () 19.04.31 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 19.07.43 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-31.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 19.08.33 Join max [0] (n=max@CPE000000215842-CM00080d6f5883.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.09.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.09.28 # Hmm, so if I am to count opinions, there are at least 5 (including mine) in favor of a dB volume scale and no additional options for clipping prevention? 19.10.03 # (Paul_The_Nerd, _FireFly_, linuxstb, LinusN, me) 19.10.51 # <_FireFly_> yepp 19.10.54 # <_FireFly_> :) 19.10.56 # majority wins again:) *bam* 19.10.59 # Hehehe 19.11.50 # I think that adding the choice to switch between "percentage" (or whatever you want to call the scale where 100% is max safe before clipping) and dB to the menu entry you'd talked about earlier may be necessary though, so people aren't *too* lost. 19.12.12 # amiconn: i dont think its really fair to judge the new for this based on who is online atm... 19.14.05 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de22987.alshamil.net.ae) 19.18.08 Quit massiveH () 19.18.37 # ghode|afk: Yes, perhaps. Still, I'm strongly against the solution committed today. It's far worse that how it was before 19.18.56 # It adds a ton of options to confuse people, and it splits platforms 19.20.00 # ...without reason. The prescaling for player worked exactly the same way as for iriver, just the range was different, matching the different treble & bass range 19.20.28 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.20.28 # well something needed to be done, the rbx solution was unbearable tbh. if this paves way for a better way then good. 19.20.54 # The old rbx solution was still better than how it is now 19.21.07 # There is certainly no 'best' solution for all users 19.21.07 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.21.20 # i'd have to disagree :/ at least now i have the freedom to choose how i want to listern to my music 19.22.17 # ghode|afk: I think the reason it's so bad isn't what it lets you do, but how it splits the platforms, and adds confusion. 19.22.34 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de22987.alshamil.net.ae) 19.27.46 # Paul_The_Nerd: but how could such a feature be implemented without adding confusion 19.30.08 # I think that it could be added in a less confusing way, perhaps. 19.30.21 # if the wiki had been updated, there would have been less confusion 19.31.16 # one cant be expected to "cruise" the forums endlessly trying to glean information on "options" implemented 19.33.07 # webguest53: Less options almost always mean less confusion 19.33.12 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.33.35 # the manual is where I logically expect information to be, 19.33.41 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de22987.alshamil.net.ae) 19.33.47 # Yes, but iRiver hasn't officially been released yet 19.33.53 # So, it kinda makes sense that it's not in the manual. 19.34.02 # ...and also less code, smaller binaries, less places for possible bugs etc 19.34.18 # It means adhering to one of rockbox' main principles, KISS 19.34.29 # KISS is a very important principle. 19.34.55 # Paul_The_Nerd ; so how are the other developers supposed to know how things work ? 19.35.57 # judgeing by this one example I'd say keeping the manual updated is important. 19.36.00 # webguest26: The manual isn't exactly where development is discussed... I'm not even sure it's been updated to 2.5 yet, has it? 19.36.25 Quit Bgr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.10 # ok, I'll continue to guess what rockbox features are supposed to do :) 19.37.40 Part webguest26 19.37.55 # amiconn: yes, but this is a feature that many people like to see in rockbox. and there are also many people who don't like this feature. so i think it is in this case better to have the option to enable/disable this feature 19.39.10 # I think the main point is that some people want to be sure rockbox won't clip, and others want the full hardware range even with potential clipping 19.39.28 # btw what does "KISS" mean? 19.39.29 # webgueset26: Well, there's the mailing list, the wiki, the logs of this chatroom, the message posted with the commit (ideally where things should be explained, I think) and the forums. 19.39.47 # webguest: keep it simple stupid 19.39.53 # The now-added option overkill caters for both, but makes both the code and using rockbox more complicated 19.40.07 # webguest26: Most features shouldn't be confusing enough that they *need* an explanation, I'd say. 19.40.35 Join leftright [0] (n=5087eaad@labb.contactor.se) 19.40.58 # The suggestion to either switch to a dB volume scale (with 0 dB being the clip-safe maximum) or a percent scale with 100% being the clip-safe maximum and allowing >100% values would also cater for both, 19.41.14 # but without the added complexity 19.41.41 # And if you had the 100% as the default, it would be much less confusing than what we've got right now. 19.41.50 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.42.17 # amiconn: but would your aproach also include the passibility to automatically scale down bass at high volumes to prevent clipping? 19.42.21 Join Midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 19.42.26 # It would also mean that the displayed values would always represent the true values, i.e. without behind-the-scenes mangling 19.42.50 # webguest53: Nope 19.43.03 # Yeah, I'm all in favor of *not* having things happen behind the scenes. 19.43.33 # can anyone test and see if they can extract this archive? --> http://www.upload2.net/download2/kMocFyOEFHhLL4U/wps.zip.html 19.44.46 # amiconn: your method sounds good, I like to know that What I See Is What I Get, ie no manipulation behind the scenes 19.44.54 # Midgey34: It's the whole WPS folder from a RockBox build, no? 19.45.01 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 19.45.07 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.45.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: modified to use the full screen on the h300 19.45.42 # amiconn: bit this is exactly the fumctonality that i like with this new patch. if i'm walking on the street where is much traffic noise i don't want to take the unit out of my pocket and lower the bass manually, ust to have a higher volume 19.45.49 # the last archive no one could extract 19.46.11 # Midgey34: Well, it extracted fine here. 19.46.37 # good, I'll edit my post on the forums 19.46.52 # what are you using to extract it? 19.47.01 # well this patch does cater to all tastes from a "user" point of view 19.47.03 # webguest53: *If* we scale down one value to another value to go higher, this should be indicated 19.47.22 # Midgey34: 7-zip 19.47.29 Join [CBM] [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 19.47.42 # bugger, I think the problem is users using winzip 19.47.49 # I used 7zip to make the archive 19.47.56 # and I had no problems with either 19.47.59 # Midgey34: Well, it depends on what compression method you picked then. 19.48.08 # Midgey34: Just yell at them until they convert. 19.48.16 # I originally used ultra, now I used normal 19.49.21 # Midgey34: No problems with it here (using FilZip) 19.50.01 # leftright: It seems... dangerous. Just the fact that you can't know what the actual values are at, especially with the choice that lets you change either value, and lowers the other. 19.50.36 # dangerous ? 19.51.02 # Just dangerous in the "I have no idea what the settings are at in reality any more" sense 19.51.10 # Not in the "it'll do bad things permanently" sense. 19.52.14 # but being able to customise settings at will surely isn't a bad thing 19.52.59 # You lose the freedom to change them at will with any of the choices but "off" really. Because that's the only one that doesn't try to do things *for* you 19.53.58 # ok I see your argument 19.54.37 # And you don't even know if something's been changed unless you turn it off and see if it sounds the same, because it doesn't tell you what the real settings are. 19.55.12 # well if there was feedback in wps, that would help 19.56.31 # IMO, auto-adjusting one setting based on changes to another only makes sense if you can see all the settings on-screen together. 19.57.10 Quit chopped_pork ("leaving") 19.57.13 # I don't think the current method needs 4 choices anyway 19.57.28 # not a good user experiance without feedback 19.57.29 # At most it needs "on" (which is currently 'current setting' or whatever) and off 19.57.48 Quit Shaikoten () 19.57.58 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.00.20 # hmm, whats a good uploading site, I'm using upload2.net 20.00.41 Quit webguest53 ("CGI:IRC") 20.00.46 Join webguest53 [0] (n=864c0377@labb.contactor.se) 20.01.18 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.01.54 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 20.02.41 # Midgey34: You can try www.yousendit.com or www.rapidshare.de 20.05.47 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 20.06.54 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de22987.alshamil.net.ae) 20.07.14 Nick solexx_ is now known as solexx (n=jrschulz@c186080.adsl.hansenet.de) 20.07.58 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.09.03 Quit MrStaticVoid ("leaving") 20.14.39 Quit [CBM] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.14.43 # If they're the official WPSes properly modified for H300, maybe they should be added to the WPSgallery in the wiki, or put on the patch tracker, or both? 20.16.12 # well right now iAmp has a bug that I can't track down 20.16.51 # and there were some changes made to use the empty space and I wanted to see how people reacted to the changes 20.17.53 # Aaah 20.17.58 Join buzzbeeboob [0] (n=simon@host-84-9-192-21.bulldogdsl.com) 20.18.37 # hi there could someone please tell me where I can find an updated page of features etc for the h3xx? 20.19.38 # Have you read through the relevant bits of the wiki? 20.20.52 # okay i'm on the wiki page 20.21.08 # i don't know what link to click! 20.21.35 # Well, what specifically are you looking for. 20.21.55 # I've installed rockbox for h300 20.22.01 # and obviously its work in progress 20.22.37 # and was wondering if there was a webpage that showed its feature updates 20.23.14 Join dropandho [0] (n=dropandh@cpe-24-193-36-91.nyc.res.rr.com) 20.23.26 # Well, there is the iriverport page, and the manual. There's not really a consolidated list of "things that have been added" though there is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison which does some useful stuff 20.24.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverPort <-- shows the basics of what needs to still be done on the h300 20.24.30 # mr. slasheri? 20.24.45 # thanks very much guys 20.26.52 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@A9406.a.pppool.de) 20.30.52 Quit arkascha (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.31.04 Quit buzzbeeboob () 20.31.54 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@de23738.alshamil.net.ae) 20.35.52 Quit DrumRBoy320|away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.43.37 Part max 20.45.09 Part leftright 20.48.58 # dropandho: hi 20.51.07 # you always answer on call- im impressed! 20.51.43 # not sure if you noticed the foward movement on the tick info 20.53.50 # Hmm, haven't noticed yet :) 20.53.53 # Which is the most efficient way to check if there is a folder and if not create it? I use the following:if(!opendir(ROCKBOX_DIR FMPRESET_DIR)) 20.53.53 # mkdir(ROCKBOX_DIR FMPRESET_DIR, 0); 20.54.02 # is it good? 20.54.43 # XavierGr: yes. If you want really high performance, you could use dircache too 20.54.53 # eh? 20.54.58 # But on that situation it isn't necessary 20.55.07 # ok then I will proceed 20.55.12 # just use DIRCACHED *dir, opendir_cached and closedir_cached 20.55.24 # those will work on all platforms, whatever there is cache or not 20.55.37 # slasheri - linus is looking at the hardware...to see if there is some difference 20.55.48 # b/w those that tick...and those that dont 20.55.49 # dropandho: ah, that sounds good 20.55.54 # there seems to be someone with a difference 20.55.56 # they are in touch 20.56.06 # yes, there has to be some difference 20.56.28 # so any quick dirty hardware mod to remove this infamous tick on the remotes? 20.56.49 # i was wondering if you were gonna try to implement some of those great tick-fix updates you were talking about b4? 20.57.09 # xavier - not sure where linus got with this...i will follow up with him when he steps back in 20.58.17 Join petur [0] (i=petur@d54C1B62E.access.telenet.be) 20.59.00 # XavierGr: if i have time, i could create a mod next week in lab. But then i couldn't no longer try fixing the problem by software because the problem would be gone then 20.59.24 # well, linus might have found something on the actual unit 20.59.29 # let me show you the thread 21.00.23 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1872.msg13408#msg13408 21.00.32 # check that out...and read down 21.00.48 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@81.209.216.148) 21.01.20 # The other day I opened my player. OMG those little SMD resistors are tiny how the hell am I supposed to solde something on them if needed? 21.01.47 # well, maybe send back to iriver? 21.01.58 # but we should see what linus comes up with! 21.02.52 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 21.03.52 # bbl 21.03.56 Part amiconn 21.04.49 Join mirak [0] (n=karim@AAubervilliers-151-1-5-237.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.04.53 # hello 21.05.12 # slasheri, xavier- you check out that thread? 21.05.15 # hey 21.05.18 # would it be possible to have an inverted bootloader that default boot to oringial firmware ? 21.05.53 # mirak: yes. 21.05.59 # dropandho: I already did. Just waiting for more feedback from Linus then 21.06.32 # likewise! 21.06.33 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.06.47 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.07.55 Join solexx___ [0] (n=jrschulz@c203183.adsl.hansenet.de) 21.08.46 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.09.13 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.09.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.45 Join malevolent [0] (n=XxMalevo@oh-71-50-202-224.dhcp.sprint-hsd.net) 21.10.53 # i think we lost slasheri tho! 21.11.04 # wow 21.11.14 # rockbox is crazy, i never knew of it's existence 21.12.04 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.12.32 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.14.50 # Hey, I just thought of something. Does rockbox-swcodec support AIFF yet, or is it just listed there as an "it should be easy for us to support this" kinda thing? 21.16.25 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 21.16.44 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.17.01 Nick Paul_The_Nerd is now known as Paul_The_Away (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.17.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: No, AIFF isn't supported at the moment. But as you say, it should be trivial, at least for uncompressed AIFF. 21.17.31 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.18.30 # dropandho: sorry, little away. I will check that soon (tomorrow), have to go now. cu 21.18.41 # bye slash 21.19.11 # no problem at all 21.19.13 # take care 21.19.33 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.21.58 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.26.19 # WAHOOOOO!!!!! 21.26.24 # somewhat real profiling results 21.27.55 # whats that? 21.28.24 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2039.0 21.29.41 Quit mirak ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 21.29.46 # ahhh- i c 21.29.53 # what is profiling tho?! 21.30.54 # use google. 21.31.09 Join b0br [0] (n=3ef54246@labb.contactor.se) 21.31.30 Part b0br 21.33.54 Quit matsl ("ERC Version 5.0 (CVS) $Revision: 1.776 $ (IRC client for Emacs)") 21.35.01 Join Amar [0] (n=502c4ece@labb.contactor.se) 21.36.07 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 21.37.53 Join webguest01 [0] (n=522788bc@labb.contactor.se) 21.41.04 # Woo, i just completed the first version of my first plugin!! 21.42.45 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.43.04 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.43.31 # i hope it's for the gigabeat :) 21.43.51 # amar- what cha make? 21.45.58 # are you guys aware of the rockpaint plugin made by some guy for the H300 on misticriver.ws forums? it should be commited. there are some others too :) 21.47.29 # dropandho: it is fairly spesalised, it predicts the finigh time for a relay race 21.47.55 # *finish 21.49.47 Join GeorgesBUsh [0] (n=ceac7c17@labb.contactor.se) 21.49.47 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.50.26 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 21.50.32 # test 21.51.09 # 12 21.51.15 # congrats amar! 21.51.19 Join AnInternetUser [0] (i=oups@ny-lancastercadent4g1-3d-b-34.buf.adelphia.net) 21.51.53 Quit GeorgesBUsh (Client Quit) 21.52.08 # hey does anyone know what is currently being developed for h300? 21.52.55 # no 21.53.15 # it was just meant to be a learning process so i could then go on to more advanced things, though i might write up what i did to make it easyer for others to start 21.53.26 # and does rockboy have sound? 21.53.33 # because it says that it loads it 21.53.35 # and then it doesnt play 21.58.45 Quit Amar ("CGI:IRC") 22.00.39 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@D11c7.d.pppool.de) 22.01.40 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.46 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.02.51 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.03.46 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 22.06.49 Quit perplexity ("*bbl*") 22.07.36 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.59 Join CheeseBurgerMan [0] (n=BurgerBo@63.150.80.142) 22.09.19 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-31.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 22.21.09 Quit dropandho () 22.23.50 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.24.48 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 22.25.02 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.27.26 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-168-116-53.netcologne.de) 22.27.57 Quit AnInternetUser () 22.35.54 Quit webguest01 ("CGI:IRC") 22.35.55 Join webguest01 [0] (n=522788bc@labb.contactor.se) 22.36.16 # so what does amars new plugin do exactly? 22.36.59 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.37.56 # excatly?? well it takes some user input does some calculations and does some output 22.38.35 # cool, is it downloadable and working for the h100s yet? 22.39.13 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD59BA.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.40.17 Quit webguest01 (Client Quit) 22.41.17 # hrmpf 22.42.47 # * amiconn is still annoyed by this option clutter sound settings commit :( 22.44.14 # amiconn: it can be deactivated..thus a good compromise? 22.44.22 # Nope 22.44.33 # I mean the option cluttering itself 22.44.53 # * Paul_The_Away agrees with amiconn, and returns 22.44.55 Nick Paul_The_Away is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 22.45.27 Join cwncool [0] (n=43164ebc@labb.contactor.se) 22.45.44 # Perhaps I should just start to make my changes and provide them as a patch 22.46.21 # ...both to have something I can live with, and something to discuss about 22.46.22 # Yes! 22.46.28 # rebellion! 22.46.31 # Hehehe 22.46.54 # who is using rockboy on h3xx? 22.46.55 # queen mum linus will not be amused ;) 22.47.04 # ?? 22.47.14 # just kidding.. 22.47.16 # ;) 22.47.25 # I think Linus was in favor of it, at one point. 22.48.16 # * petur just got better playback from his H3xx sim (w32) 22.50.42 # petur: I can't get any 22.51.15 # you need to enable it first in autoconf.h in the build dir 22.51.31 Quit webguest77 ("CGI:IRC") 22.52.39 # * petur managed to submit a patch without logging in :( 23.03.00 Quit arkascha (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.03.26 # petur: nice suggestion, it works now, thanks 23.03.48 # but now I need to leave 23.03.54 Quit Midgey34 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 23.04.46 # The mixer volume settings function is wrong (but not needed in this detail level for the current application) 23.06.21 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.06.28 # petur: what about CPU usage? 23.06.29 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-168-119-250.netcologne.de) 23.06.38 Quit arkascha (Client Quit) 23.07.12 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 23.07.13 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 23.07.23 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.07.47 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 23.08.07 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.08.40 Join Benacool [0] (i=Benacool@toronto-HSE-ppp4212713.sympatico.ca) 23.09.14 # Lear: I know 23.09.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.09.57 # There must be something wrong in the structure that causes Sleep(1) to stop playback 23.10.08 # Needs more investigation 23.11.08 # I also need to learn more about how RB operates to understand what's going wrong 23.11.28 # Sleep(1) is really longer (the remainder of the timeslice), but on the other hand, full CPU shouldn't be needed for working playback... 23.12.34 # Yes, but with Sleep(1) there's no more smooth playback, that's why I said there is still something wrong in the way everything works together 23.13.02 # My Athlon64 3500+ uses 100%... 23.13.10 Join Kyl3 [0] (i=Kyle@cpe-24-90-232-130.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.13.39 # It is fairly smooth on my computer, which has the exact same CPU... 23.13.56 # with Sleep(1)? 23.14.52 # Been experimenting. I tried to compile the bootloader in the new 1.66 firmware for the H120, and it didn't let me, so I did scramble -add=h120 new.bin new.hex and it worked. Any testers? 23.15.32 # whats wrong about fwpatcher? 23.15.46 # Not compatible with the 1.66 firmware yet 23.15.49 # hm? 23.15.49 # Yes. Not perfect, but... 23.15.55 # Works for me 23.15.58 Nick Kohlriba is now known as Kohlrabi (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.16.27 # Oh. ok if it works then I dont have to test it brb 23.17.04 # Oh well, got to go... 23.17.29 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 23.20.07 Part malevolent 23.23.49 Nick solexx___ is now known as solexx (n=jrschulz@c203183.adsl.hansenet.de) 23.28.01 # bon j'ai écrit au prez de l'a3ie 23.28.05 # ho sorry 23.28.07 # :) 23.28.10 # bad channel :) 23.30.15 # goodnight... 23.30.24 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.33.21 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 23.35.51 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-151-1-40-179.w83-112.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.37.11 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@A9586.a.pppool.de) 23.41.03 # Hmm, the prescale-less-at-high-volume change is in fact trivial; *no* additional code involved. :/ 23.41.05 # Could have been done this way right from the beginning, far more kiss than what we have right now 23.41.15 Quit Kyl3 () 23.44.00 Quit Benacool (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.50 Join DrumRBoy320 [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c20ff1.dyn.optonline.net) 23.45.03 # i have an idea 23.45.26 # make a WPS editor in rockbox 23.45.57 # have selections... maybe a drop down selector for differebt catagorys 23.46.26 # it would be helpful.... otg wps's 23.46.51 # * ashridah hands DrumRBoy320 a keyboard and a copy of rockbox's source code 23.46.53 # have fun 23.47.12 # lol 23.47.34 # hey, if i learned how to program in c, i would be havin a feild day now 23.47.49 # but... i only know basic, and im soon to learn Java 23.47.53 # all useless in rockbox 23.47.55 # :( 23.48.32 # experiment with what you already know 23.48.48 # anyway what you suggest is a plugin, look at the hello world plugin. 23.48.55 # 10 print "basic sucks" 23.48.59 # 20 goto 10 23.49.15 # lol, tell me about it... 23.49.16 # then learn about the functions that render text and you should be able to start coding 23.49.31 # basic has evolved beyond that ... but it's not like it helped 23.49.47 # yea, now it would be this: 23.49.54 # Do you know how to compile DrumRBoy320? 23.49.59 # $B = "basic Sucks" 23.50.05 # print $B 23.50.06 # DrumRBoy320: I think it gets the setting from the default URL handler for gnomer 23.50.06 # :) 23.50.09 # arghl 23.50.15 # $b? are you sure you aren't mixing perl and basic? 23.50.27 # yea, well, thats basic that im learning 23.50.28 # DrumRBoy320: http://www.iso-9899.info/wiki/Main_Page might help in the learning-C department 23.50.30 # Well I started from Visual Basic too. 23.50.40 # not visual... 23.50.50 # we're using 'truebasic' 23.50.52 # The logic is the same with C. Infacr programming logic is the same for all languages. 23.51.03 # It is just that Visual Studio programmers are spoiled lol 23.51.04 # well, same as in common sense too 23.51.05 # :) 23.51.07 # * ashridah can thankfully say he never learned much past the original basic/qbasic 23.51.19 # i have to to learn java 23.51.23 # which i want to do 23.51.37 # through school 23.51.43 # doesn't mean you can't buy a book on C and learn it on the side. 23.51.46 # * ender` once wrote an image editor with windows-like gui in qbasic :) 23.51.54 # true, i dont have time :( 23.52.35 # ender`: haha. my qasic escapades were primarily in the 'lets modify that gorillas game that comes with msdos so that the bananas wipe out half the screen' :) 23.52.38 # * ender` never learned c, but can usually understand what the code does and even fix (or "fix") a thing or two 23.52.42 # area 23.53.02 # hehe, gorillas and nibbles ... that brings back good memories 23.53.37 # my basic programming started with QB4.0 and a bunch of commodore and spectrum books (with examples that would never work) 23.55.03 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.55.15 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no)