--- Log for 05.12.105 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 0 days ago 00.01.14 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (n=ashridah@69.55.227.55) 00.01.51 # yes 00.03.06 # Is it worth my while to write documentation for len0x's recent patch? 00.03.21 # Or do you think that you (or others) will change or revert it? 00.03.36 # I don't know. If it was just me, I would revert it immediately 00.03.52 # what patch? 00.03.57 # the clipping thing? 00.04.02 # Yes. 00.04.05 # yes 00.04.43 # I still wait for him to rever the wrapping integers 00.04.46 # revert 00.05.09 # Wrapping integers were introduced by TiMiD 00.05.16 # ah, my mistake 00.05.31 # I have no real opinion on the clipping thing, it has never bothered me 00.06.06 # It's the option clutter that really annoys me, plus so much happening behind the scenes 00.06.20 # <_FireFly_> wrapping integers ?? what's that 00.06.21 Quit lostlogicx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.06.23 # I'm against option clutter as well 00.06.27 # * DrumRBoy320 says 'sorry for making it an issue' 00.06.31 # :) 00.06.35 Quit lostlogic (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.07.11 # I'm working on the volume % -> dB transition, with removed limting by the prescaler 00.07.12 # _FireFly_: when you move beyond max integer it wraps to 0 00.07.18 # and vice versa 00.07.33 # for bass/treble/volume etc 00.08.04 # Yikes, that's a bad idea. I can see why you want it reverted. 00.08.15 # If I'm reducing the volume to zero, I don't want it to jump back to 100! 00.08.16 # The prescaler thing was really trivial, just moving two lines of code... 00.08.27 # Febs: yeps 00.08.29 # Febs: I agree that's not good 00.08.37 # me too 00.08.53 # amiconn: cant you just revert the other approach and add yours? :) 00.08.54 # <_FireFly_> Bagder: ah thanks 00.08.57 # (but by far less annoying than the clipping option thing) 00.09.14 # Bagder: I've found some problems with the new tools building system. If you create a build directory for the Archos Player or iPod (for example), type "make", then "make clean", then "make", then not all the required tools are compiled. 00.09.26 # For the Player, it's convbdf, for the iPod, it's scramble. 00.09.29 # BBub: Sure I could 00.09.41 # The question is whether I should 00.09.47 # linuxstb: player doesn't neec convbdf 00.09.58 # Bagder: It complains that it's not there. 00.10.10 # for the sim? 00.10.33 # it just struck me it doesn't make any tools for the sim 00.10.34 # I'm just checking again now... 00.10.45 # No, these are "normal" builds. 00.10.55 # ok 00.11.06 # I'll check it out 00.11.09 # Bagder: While you are at the Makefiles, could you perhaps have a look at integrating the self-extractor? 00.11.20 # Yes, player builds complain when compiling sysfont.o 00.11.29 # * Febs decides not to work on documentation for the prevent clipping option. 00.11.48 # linuxstb: ok, the player shouldn't need that 00.11.54 # There are some other things that need attention anyway, like documentation for crossfeed and crossfade. 00.11.56 # it would be nice to have two bootloaders, one that default to rockbox, the other to the original firmware 00.12.04 # just to have the choice 00.12.10 # so make your own 00.12.11 # * amiconn wants crossfood ;) 00.12.25 # * Febs laughs out loud. 00.12.25 # Bagder: I thought Players had some custom characters - do they not use convbdf? 00.12.33 # nope 00.12.36 # Bagder: I am scared you know 00.12.38 # :) 00.12.54 # I know 00.13.25 # we don't need a bootloader to load the original firmware, imho 00.13.52 # mirak: Why would you want that? 00.13.53 # for H300 that's not enough mature 00.13.59 # imho 00.14.01 # so don't install it 00.14.05 # or help us fix it 00.14.08 # Bagder: comeon 00.14.12 # * amiconn was about to say the same 00.14.13 # Bagder: sure 00.14.38 # don't take that as an offence 00.14.48 # I just find it a sorry attitude 00.14.56 # and you're hardly the first to suggest it 00.15.15 # so what's the problem ? 00.15.22 # there's no problem 00.15.40 # Mirak, what's the problem with simply pressing REC + ON? 00.15.45 # ok so let's say I asked nothing 00.16.14 # Febs: there is no debate 00.16.38 # it was just a suggestion ... 00.17.16 # I never heard here any player die cause Rockbox ;) 00.18.09 # lot of people are scaring for "nothing" 00.18.13 # Febs: just that for now I see more rockbox as the second option. I am sure this will change 00.19.07 # it is specificly said to be for developers 00.19.29 # I plan to develop 00.19.30 # I think that the first bootloader fo the H100 was the other way around 00.19.32 # why would Rockbox h300 developers boot anything else? 00.19.35 # that's not the issue 00.19.42 # you would have to press REC+ON to start Rockbox. 00.20.09 # still, you're asking for just another load to put on someone else's shoulders 00.20.26 # thus, my opinion 00.20.37 # need to sleep here, good night all 00.20.46 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox") 00.21.02 # Bagder: I would change it myself. Linus advise to not build our own bootloader 00.21.09 # I think I will follow his advice 00.21.47 # I know he says that 00.22.02 # but then he doesn't provide any "reversed" options either 00.23.01 # amiconn: care to repeat to me how I builds a compressed image? 00.23.09 # s/builds/build 00.23.20 # make zip 00.23.25 # if you meant that 00.23.27 # First, the Makefile needs to be fixed to use the correct dirs 00.23.29 # hehe 00.23.48 # who is hosting rockbox.org? 00.24.02 # muesli_-: we do 00.24.03 # Then, building the .ajz will need rockbox.ucl as a prerequisite 00.24.48 # Finally, the rule for building the .ajz/.mod from the bin needs to be replaced by a script, which should do the following: 00.25.15 # - call scramble with rockbox.bin, and check the return code 00.25.28 # linuxstb: fixed 00.25.33 # - if ok, then the script has done its work 00.26.21 # - if the return code says the firmware is too big: 00.26.26 # - call 'make' in firmware/decompressor 00.26.52 # - call scramble again, this time using 'compressed.bin' built in the last step 00.28.09 # The Makefile in firmware/decompressor should do the majority of its work in /firmware/decompressor, but use Currently it does all its work in the source dir 00.28.50 # I couldn't figure out how to use the make.inc magic :( 00.30.11 # ok, I'll start working on it 00.30.17 # Bagder: You forgot to add scramble to the ipodbitmaptools. But I could do that. 00.30.20 # It would be really good if someone with an unflashed (unflashable?) archos could test a compressed ajbrec.ajz 00.30.27 # linuxstb: sorry, please do 00.30.38 # np 00.30.51 # I'm convinced that it will work, but it could be interesting to compare boot time with uncompressed vs. compressed 00.31.16 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.31.54 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46AEB.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.32.22 # <_FireFly_> Bagder: for the wrapping integers to stop is a simple change only needed 00.32.40 # I'm sure 00.32.53 # <_FireFly_> gui/select.c:80 change from gui_select_limit_loop(select, false); to gui_select_limit_loop(select, true); 00.34.15 # _FireFly_: Does this prevent the wrap for numeric settings only? 00.34.33 # Because, it makes sense to allow wrap for list-like settings 00.35.01 # <_FireFly_> not tested 00.35.28 # <_FireFly_> hmm it seams that this change it for all 00.36.01 # can someone please explain to me what this declaration means? int currentSample IDATA_ATTR; 00.36.35 # it decalres an integer with the name currentSample but what's with the IDATA_ATTR extension? 00.36.38 Quit JonSenior ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.10") 00.36.53 # XavierGr: it puts the variable in the internal memory 00.37.22 # for faster access? 00.37.24 # yes 00.37.32 # Yes. Apart from that, the declaration isn't 100% correct (anymore) 00.37.50 # It should be int currentSample IBSS_ATTR; 00.38.02 # ..because the variable isn't initialised 00.38.09 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: to have it only for integers two changes are needed 00.38.19 # it will give better performance or...? 00.39.23 # <_FireFly_> remove the line gui/select.c:80 and change the line option_select.c:42 from opt->limit_loop=false; to opt->limit_loop=true; 00.44.49 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.45.31 # has any1 tried making their own usb-otg cable? 00.45.47 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.45.47 # <_FireFly_> oops the line select.c:80 must be moved to settings.c:1593 (before if(gui_syncselect_do_button(&select, button))) 00.45.49 # do the 2 data wires need to be swpped? or green to green and white to white? 00.46.09 # you mean sync and charge? 00.46.50 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 00.47.34 # hi LinusN 00.47.41 # hi 00.50.07 # Oh Hiyo Linus 00.50.49 Join leftright [0] (n=5087eaad@labb.contactor.se) 00.52.19 # * amiconn now has a working volume setting in dB 00.52.23 Quit cwncool ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.52.32 # There are 2 minor problems though. 00.53.11 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: have you got the needed changes to stop the wrap around for integer-options?? 00.53.22 # (1) For archos recorders an Ondios, very low numeric values don't fit in the status bar space for the volume icon 00.53.23 # <_FireFly_> or should i make a patch 00.53.55 # (MAS3587 and MAS3539 go down to -115 dB which means 4 chars) 00.54.27 # (2) If an old .cfg file is loaded, it sets the volume way out of range. 00.55.04 # _FireFly_: y stop wrap around of int options??? it just makes for a PITA :( 00.55.19 # JdGordon: Can you test a build for me on your H300? 00.55.27 # sure 00.55.33 # <_FireFly_> JdGordon: ?? 00.55.36 # what a PITA? 00.55.46 # pain in the ass 00.55.59 # ahh 00.56.02 # JdGordon: It's here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox-h300rtc.zip 00.56.10 # Pita is pie in Greek :) 00.56.12 # 404 00.56.18 # As you can probably guess, it enables reading the date/time from the RTC (I hope). 00.56.31 # Sorry - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-h300rtc.zip 00.57.37 # cant find my reset button pusher :( 00.57.52 # the clock is shown :D 00.58.03 # Does it show the right time? 00.58.19 # no, but ill set it correct 00.58.29 # it likes to flash 00:00 00.58.31 # Blergh, why is the player wps broken?? 00.58.35 # done it twice already 00.58.56 # haha wed 2035 :D 00.59.19 # The time/date setting in Rockbox doesn't work - you'll need to set the date/time in the iriver firmware. 00.59.25 # ah ok 00.59.28 # It's read-only at the moment in Rockbox. 00.59.38 # <_FireFly_> have to go good night everybody 01.00.23 # linuxstb: zip? 01.01.02 # what zip? 01.01.15 # ah, that wasn't the patch? 01.01.26 # No, just a binary to see if it worked. 01.02.25 # does the 1.29K fw not have the clock? 01.02.33 # i cant find the options to set the correct tome 01.02.34 # time 01.02.53 # no, found it 01.03.00 # LinusN: I've basically just replaced rtc_read_multiple(1, &rtcbuf[1], 7) in timefuncs.c with a call to pcf50606_read_multiple(0x0a, &rtfbuf[1], 7). 01.03.52 Quit DrumRBoy320 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.03.57 # yupm yhr coeect time is shown 01.04.56 # but the time flickers to midnight every so often 01.06.08 # That doesn't sound good. 01.06.46 # it happens when im looking through the menus... i dont know if it happens if i leave the player not not tho... 01.07.11 Quit Kohlrabi ("Leaving") 01.07.42 # is it possible to run the cpu of the h1xx/h3xx at any speed you like? 01.08.05 # linuxstb: seems to have stopped after a reboot.. 01.09.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.42 # What do you mean by stopped? 01.10.24 Join dropandho [0] (n=dropandh@cpe-24-193-36-91.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.10.25 # it didnt flash midnight in the last 2 min i was playing with it... 01.10.41 # So you mean it's working fine now? 01.10.45 # looks like it 01.11.06 # hey linus! just wanted to see how the tick pcb was commin along 01.11.28 # At least it doesn't seem to break the h300, so I'll probably commit it when I commit my related ipod changes (the ipod and h300 have similar RTCs) 01.11.46 # amiconn: ok, makefile seems to be working, I'll have a test version for you tomorrow to check out 01.12.48 # * Bagder runs off to bed 01.14.58 # gnight Bagder. 01.17.38 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.19.43 # dropandho: i don't have it yet 01.20.24 # linuxstb: the rtc can't be read from a background thread without disturbing the button driver 01.20.38 # that could be why it was flashing? 01.21.09 # i don't know 01.25.02 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.28.16 # LinusN: What do you mean by "background thread" ? Do you mean any thread apart from main? 01.28.30 # i mean any thread at all 01.28.35 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.28.49 # the adc driver reads from the pcf50606 in interrupt context 01.29.38 # so the adc driver can interrupt an ongoing i2c transaction 01.30.21 # either disable the irq or read the rtc in an interrupt as well 01.30.37 # LinusN: how h100 outputs sound. I mean rockbox feeds the uda with what sort of data? WAV? Sorry for the hilarious question but I dont know anything about it. 01.30.49 # pcm i guess 01.30.54 # XavierGr: yes, we feed it PCM data 01.31.53 # so we could always redirect a xxx2wav plugin to transfer the wav data to the chip instead of a physical file right? 01.32.09 # in theory, yes 01.33.15 # I am playing with the mid2wav plugin which needs the old xxx2wav files (god bless you that you kept it in the attic) 01.33.30 # have fun 01.33.35 # it is can playback more than realtime in 11025Hz sample rate 01.33.45 # indeed. 01.34.43 # does any1 know how to rig up a usb F->F adaptor so i can use usb-otg? 01.35.10 # f-f so i can use 2 regular usb cables... 01.38.16 Join SergeantOleary [0] (n=d9847a3d@labb.contactor.se) 01.40.05 Quit BBub (""Nonstop Belze." - www.sloganmaker.de") 01.40.43 # LinusN: I now have a working patch with volume setting in dB, without limiting and without the option overkill added today. Volume > 0 dB means possible clipping. Wanna try it? 01.41.53 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/volume.diff 01.42.35 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.43.12 # no time right now, but i'll have a look later on if i remember it 01.43.46 Quit SergeantOleary ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.44.08 # If I don't commit before the next daily build, the strings in englih.lang need to be deprecated properly. 01.44.23 # I just removed them in my patch 01.44.50 # * amiconn goes bug hunting 01.45.23 # The default player wps doesn't display anything... 01.46.42 # ouch 01.46.55 # Yes 01.56.27 # LinusN: I've updated my patch (just 2 default values changed) 01.57.40 # you removed all scaling 01.57.42 # ? 01.58.11 # You mean the options added today? 01.58.29 # yes, and the scaling we had before that 01.58.39 # Yes and no 01.58.46 # I removed the options 01.59.45 # Prescaling is done to prevent clipping at lower volume, as long as it can be corrected by boosting the main volume 01.59.57 # ...but prescaling no longer limits max volume 02.01.18 # If prescaling would require to boost the main volume above the max, we used to limit the volume before. Now prescaling is reduced instead (with the possibility of clipping) 02.01.40 # but no bass/treble scaling? 02.01.45 # ?? 02.02.15 # lowering bass/treble to prevent clipping at high volume 02.02.19 # Ah, no 02.02.46 # That was never an option for me as long as treble/bass use dB (which they should continue to use) 02.02.50 # i thought that was one of the points with the new scaling options 02.03.33 # All these options contradict KISS 02.03.48 # Even before we had something happening behind the scenes. 02.04.33 # With these options, much more is happening behind the scenes 02.04.49 # yes 02.04.51 # The settings don't represent reality anymore 02.06.09 # Before, only volume was wrong, and in a somewhat consistent way. Now all of volume, bass and treble can be wrong, and even in an unpredictable way if the option to adjust the non-current value(s) is select 02.06.11 # +ed 02.06.49 # i think i agree 02.07.16 # how about the player, is it the same there? 02.07.34 # Yes 02.07.53 # it used to scale the volume if the bass was raised, didn't it? 02.08.27 # Yes. Before today, player and iriver were handled the same apart from the actual ranges 02.08.50 # With my patch, both are handled the same again, apart from the actual ranges 02.09.07 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 02.09.19 # which means that a volume > 0dB may clip 02.09.26 # yes 02.09.41 # and a volume <= 0dB will not 02.10.02 # is there fwpatcher.exe for linux? 02.10.05 # One more (slight) difference is that volume on iriver goes -60 ... +24 dB with my patch, accounting for the max. bass boost of 24 dB 02.10.07 # YouCeyE: no 02.10.31 # how do i go about setting up rockbox on linux for h120? 02.10.33 # On the player, the maximum bass boost is 15 dB, yet the volume goes from -78 to +18 dB 02.11.06 # YouCeyE: you have to build and run the mkboot utility 02.11.09 # ...and not -81 .. + 15 dB 02.11.22 # LinusN, thanks.. any direct webpage help link? 02.11.30 # YouCeyE: you want to patch 1.66? 02.11.32 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-9-40.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.11.34 # The datasheet says the volume is specified as -78 .. +18 dB, so I just adhere to the datasheet here 02.11.41 # 1.65 is also fine 02.11.43 # So if EQ is flat, the maximum volume will be 0dB? And then if bass boost is applied, the volume will display > 0 dB? 02.12.04 # YouCeyE: i can patch 1.66 for you 02.12.25 # Febs: No. The maximum volume on iriver is +24 dB with my patch, but values >0 dB *may* clip depending on the bass/treble boost 02.12.30 # once i load rockbox bootloader, can i choose what firmware to use? similar to dual booting system either with windows/linux? 02.12.41 # great :) LinusN 02.12.47 # may i know how to do that? 02.13.03 Quit thegeek (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.13.34 # Since the probability of clipping also depends on the actual track, there is no point in making the 0 dB point slide (and it would confuse the user) 02.13.39 # YouCeyE: It's described here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 02.13.47 # YouCeyE: eu, us, kr or jp version of 1.66? 02.13.56 # us version please 02.14.12 # i dont know if there is any big difference except the language 02.14.59 # So if EQ is flat (i.e., no bass or treble boost), 24dB is equivalent to the current 100. 02.15.06 # yes 02.15.26 # But there is no possibility of clipping. 02.15.30 # yes 02.15.51 # YouCeyE: http://linus.haxx.se/youceye.zip 02.15.59 # thanks LinusN :) 02.16.22 # There is also no possibility of clipping if you have volume at +24, bass at +24 and then play a track that doesn't contain bass 02.16.37 # LinusN, can you please save the history of commands and pm me? 02.17.01 # YouCeyE: it's all in the IriverBoot wiki page 02.17.16 # in this case, i ran fwpatcher.exe with wine 02.17.34 # just for the kick of it :-) 02.17.36 # I understand that, but it's contrary to the accept convention for what 0dB represents. I think that this is the same point that preglow made the other day ... 02.17.42 # accept/accepted 02.18.40 # Yes, it's debatable, but I think it makes a good indication for the possible clipping limit 02.19.20 # cool LinusN 02.20.19 # I could also define 0 dB to be the real maximum (simple), but then we don't have this nice indication... 02.20.36 # where can i dl tools for scrambling and descrambling.. is it in rockox dev kit? 02.20.51 # i have mkboot in ubuntu already 02.21.02 # YouCeyE: i don't know if they're in the devkit 02.21.07 # hmm, now that you have explained your "0" limit, it makes sense 02.21.11 # they're in cvs 02.21.23 # i think it makes sense too 02.23.22 # amiconn: when i set the volume to 0 db and then set bass boost to +18, will the volume be 0db or change to 18 db? 02.23.43 # No, it will stay at whatever value you set it 02.24.17 # Increasing the bass boost will just do what the user expects - boost the bass 02.24.24 # good, there's no trickery in the background 02.24.30 # Exactly 02.25.04 # The only 'trickery' is the (compensated) prescaling, but that's inaudible 02.25.09 # so 24 db (without bass boost) equals todays 100% ? 02.25.14 # yes 02.25.31 # * Febs has a sense of deja vu. 02.25.45 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 02.26.19 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.") 02.26.46 # * amiconn wonders what's going on with wps loading on the player... 02.29.44 # i gotta sleep 02.29.55 # amiconn: i like your volume approach 02.30.38 # i liked the scaling options too, but your approach is more my style 02.30.42 # nite all 02.30.45 Part LinusN 02.35.09 Part leftright 02.36.03 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.69 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") 02.46.16 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 02.57.16 # If you have the bootloader installed and your jukebox still boots into the iriver firmware, check to ensure that the rockbox.iriver file and .rockbox directory are both located in the ROOT of your jukebox. 02.57.26 # what is this rockbox.iriver file? 02.57.40 # It is the main Rockbox binary. 02.57.44 # i just installed bootloader and copied .rockbox to /media/ihp120 02.57.50 # still noluck 02.58.01 # boots into iriver firmware 02.58.08 # You need to download a rockbox.zip file for the h120 and unzip it to /media/ihp120/ 02.58.48 # The very latest version is always here: http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-h120/rockbox.zip 02.59.06 # (automatically rebuilt after every CVS commit) 02.59.32 # k.. 02.59.45 # so basically i missed rockbox build files.. 02.59.54 # i thought i didnt need to install them 03.00.49 # do i need to copy .rockbox dir to /media/ihp120 or to /media/ihp120/root? 03.01.09 # unzip -d /media/ihp120/ rockbox.zip 03.01.22 # thanks 03.01.22 # The rockbox.zip file contains both the .rockbox directory and rockbox.iriver 03.02.00 # my bad.. 03.02.07 # i unzipped in local dir 03.02.18 # and didnt see rockbox.iriver separately.. 03.02.25 # Yes, that can be confusing. 03.04.19 # Sorry, the unzip command should be "unzip rockbox.zip -d /media/ihp120" 03.04.36 # i got it working now.. 03.04.46 # just got confused with rockbox.iriver file 03.04.48 # cool.. 03.04.53 # how can i change the theme? 03.05.43 # The "themes" are limited to the WPS (while playing screen). Press the A-B button to bring up the menu and then choose Browse Themes. 03.06.04 # There are lots of other options to configure if you want to play though - just explore the menus. 03.06.37 # You probably want to change the font - General Settings -> Display -> Browse Fonts 03.08.24 # off topic- any of you guys know the arguments for LAME encoding? 03.09.08 # great 03.09.09 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp41-adsl-4.ath.forthnet.gr) 03.09.12 # got it :) 03.09.19 # thanks all of you guys.. 03.09.23 # u r amazing 03.09.25 # dropandho: lame -? 03.09.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.09.59 # opensource mp3 encoder 03.10.58 # dropandho: I know :) I am suggesting you type "lame -?" to get a list of options 03.11.18 # * amiconn blames _FireFly_ for breaking the player wps (committed by TiMiD) 03.11.34 # hehe- oops! thanks 03.12.32 # amiconn: I'm guessing that was broken a while ago - I'm surprised no users have complained. Or are there no Player users left in the world? 03.12.50 # I'm not sure 03.13.27 # There are probably not many users which test dailies 03.13.40 # Ah yes - there are users: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1895.0 03.13.48 # Most of them are happy with a release 03.14.02 # Some even run oldish releases 03.14.09 # (like 2.2) 03.15.01 # linuxstb: Ahahaha, I even read that forum article, but didn't get that he means the wps... 03.15.14 Part Sando 03.15.55 # I noticed it myself today, while testing my volume patch... 03.15.55 # okay need a little math help here. I want to find what percentage of x is y. 03.16.21 # Now how was it.... 03.18.16 # I think I found it. 03.18.44 # y/x*100 ? 03.20.31 # yes that's what I tried. God it was that easy and I couldn't remember it. My brain is buggy again. 03.24.22 # amiconn: is there a way to convince you that having an option to automatically lower the bass- and trebleboost on high volume is a good thing an should stay in rockbox? 03.24.46 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.24.49 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-151-217-vic-pppoe.tpgi.com.au) 03.25.36 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c211-28-93-42.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.26.30 Nick XavierGr_ is now known as XavierGr (n=XavierGr@ppp41-adsl-4.ath.forthnet.gr) 03.26.50 Join Midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.30.56 Join elinenbe [0] (i=elinenbe@207-237-225-224.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 03.33.07 Quit Sucka ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 03.48.12 Join psycho_maniac [0] (n=405b5592@labb.contactor.se) 03.48.42 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.53.35 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! 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06.00.12 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 06.09.41 # yaho 06.10.12 # Applied simulator myself. 06.10.35 # :D 06.33.24 Join Soul-E [0] (n=937c3159@labb.contactor.se) 06.33.30 # whassup whassup 06.38.34 # wow 06.38.43 # http://home.megapass.co.kr/~liy5479/pmc-100(2).jpg 06.40.19 # whats that 06.40.45 # basic PMC-100 06.41.38 Quit DJDD_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 06.58.05 Quit webguest53 ("CGI:IRC") 07.03.01 Quit StrathAFK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.04.35 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc674681214.direcpc.com) 07.09.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.11.28 Part Sando 07.24.59 Quit CheeseBurgerMan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.26.47 Join lostlogic_ [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 07.27.36 Join lostlogi1x [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 07.27.36 *** Alert Mode level 1 07.27.36 DBUG Enqueued KICK lostlogicx 07.27.36 DBUG Enqueued KICK lostlogic 07.27.36 *** Alert Mode level 2 07.27.36 DBUG Enqueued KICK lostlogic_ 07.27.36 DBUG Enqueued KICK lostlogi1x 07.27.36 *** Alert Mode level 3 07.28.45 # so any news on a US firmware bootloader 07.28.51 # http://www.watch.impress.co.jp/av/docs/20040322/cebit05.htm 07.34.52 Quit dpassen1 () 07.37.37 *** Alert Mode OFF 07.42.06 Quit lostlogic (Connection timed out) 07.43.56 Quit lostlogicx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.49.34 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.00.12 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-9-40.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.00.17 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 08.00.26 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-9-40.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.09.12 Join Sando [0] (n=lolsteam@techgaming.net) 08.10.48 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 08.24.20 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.25.26 # hello? 08.31.17 # would anyone with a h3x0 care to enable speed adjustment and try it out? 08.31.31 # no reason it shouldn't work 08.33.59 # Took a screenshot by simulator : http://mfiles.naver.net/68b95c8493cca5133f57/data10/2005/12/5/170/dump_0001.png 08.37.15 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-144-131-87-242.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 08.37.23 # preglow, where is speed adjustment located? 08.37.42 # several places, gimme a sec 08.41.35 # you need to add some H300 defines to a set of files, i remember screens.c/h had some 08.41.39 # and gui/gwps.c 08.42.52 # you can probably just change the H100 defines to H300 defines to check if it's working, and i'll do the main fix later when i can 08.43.46 # Ah. Not being a programmer, that's a bit above me. But I'd be happy to test if you want to e-mail me the files I'd need to test it. 08.44.04 # ahh, right, then it's got to wait 08.44.14 # haven't got access to a dev environment right now 08.45.07 # When you do, feel free to e-mail whatever needs to be tested. You can use the e-mail address from my wikiname page. 08.45.32 # i think i'll just commit it when i can, there's no reason it should not work 08.48.08 Ctcp Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.48.08 # * amiconn changed his mind concerning the 0 dB volume point on iriver 08.49.22 # amiconn: hmm? 08.49.24 # Ummm, ive updated the ipodVOL WPS to work with H300 (images resized etc). Its here... Anyone want to test\include it in rb, its here http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/H-Pod.zip 08.50.19 Nick _Vladoman is now known as Vladoman (n=Vladoman@p54A7D532.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.50.52 # preglow: I have a patch that again removes the optionitis introduced yesterday, and replaces the volume setting with a dB scale, without capping 08.51.22 # and what does it do to make everyone happy without an extra option? 08.51.39 # haaha 08.51.56 # I started with my idea to set the 0 dB volume point 24 dB below maximum, to cater for the possible distortion with up to 24 dB of bass boost 08.51.59 # these days we can't change anything and still keep everyone happy 08.52.30 # ...but now I changed my mind and will set 0 dB to be the real maximum, like the UDA1380 datasheet defines it 08.53.11 # In fact we did almost the same for a long time on the recorders and Ondios 08.54.28 # While the MAS3587 datasheet calls the real maximum +12 dB, even setting it to (12 - MAX(bass, treble)) doesn't guarantee a distortion-free signal 08.54.51 # i think defining 0db to be anything but the maximum is ludicrous 08.55.11 # but ok 08.55.21 # Well, both the MAS3587/3539 and MAS3507+DAC3550 datasheets do so 08.55.54 # amiconn: try this => http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/compress.patch 08.56.06 # MAS3587/3539: max. is +12 dB, DAC3550: max is +18 dB 08.56.09 # should build a compressed image 08.56.12 # The UDA1380 datasheet says the maximum is 0 dB 08.56.14 # yeah, but they might not be constructed like the uda, it might seem like the amplitude value affects the d/a in another way 08.56.46 # So now I think it's best just to use the scale that the DAC defines. This ensures line level at 0 dB volume setting 08.56.54 # amiconn: it doesn't use a proper check so this builds a compressed image even though it fits uncompressed 08.58.41 # preglow: The latest version of my patch will give you -84..0 dB on iriver 08.59.05 # amiconn: and how does it handle eq? 08.59.17 # (-78..+18 dB on player, -115..+12 dB on all other SH1 archoses) 08.59.18 # i assume no one around here has got a 56k assembler lying around? 09.01.07 # preglow: In order to avoid distortion, it prescales the signal when treble and/or bass are boosted, but it compensates by boosting the main volume instead. If the main volume can't be boosted further, it reduces the prescaling instead (possibly causing distortion) 09.03.02 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.03.06 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=icechat5@pd95b7c08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.03.08 # so it's basically exactly what we do now, but with different way of handling a high main volume? 09.03.16 # hi Membrillo 09.04.48 # Yo 09.06.07 # "The most severe of these are the vulnerabilities found in curl and the PCRE library used by Safari," said Thomas Kristensen, chief technology officer for security site Secunia 09.06.07 # preglow: Yes, it's almost what we did until yesterday, with 2 changes: (1) no volume cap, (2) a dB scale 09.06.11 # oops ;-) 09.06.28 # <_FireFly_> Bagder ;) 09.06.42 # funny when ones mistakes wound up in big companies security alerts ;-) 09.07.22 # Membrillo: How about this? http://mfiles.naver.net/68b95c8493cca5133f57/data10/2005/12/5/170/dump_0001.png 09.08.51 # btw, is it only me, or is queueing broken? 09.09.00 # when i queue an entire dir now, the disk spins up after every track 09.09.07 # introducing gaps between ogg files 09.09.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.19 # preglow: Hmm, i will try that 09.10.35 # beware, though, i haven't tried the latest build yet 09.10.40 # but this isn't very old 09.13.20 # preglow: yes, buffering works fine but for some reason disk spins up 09.13.35 # i don't know yet why 09.13.56 # probably playlist updating or something like that 09.16.53 # that's probably why i get the ogg gaps as well 09.17.01 # i get reproduce it when queueing, not else 09.17.40 # playlist shouldn't be updated when queueing 09.17.45 Join MrShlee [0] (i=BIGKING@58-84-74-63.dial-lns6.sa.chariot.net.au) 09.17.46 # yes, it delays the track skipping 09.17.58 # so the problem is probably with playlist_next blocking 09.18.36 # Does anyone know actually how many more cycles it takes to decode ogg then it does to decode mp3? 09.19.05 # MrShlee: you can look at the cpu boost ratio 09.19.27 # preglow (and others): Wanna try my volume patch: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/volume.diff 09.19.38 # im looking at batt life more then anything. 09.19.47 # if the cpu is idle/normal/boost 09.20.17 # and cpu life is fairly static for each period.. Id like to monitor the difference. 09.20.44 # amiconn: Hmm, it has volume in dB-scale? 09.21.55 # and compared to a line level signal? 09.22.01 # that looks really good 09.23.24 # markun: around? 09.23.37 # amiconn: not yet, but will later 09.23.52 # Slasheri: yes 09.24.04 # how to copy wps files 09.24.10 # custom ones 09.26.24 # * Bagder has a configure fix pending that removes the sed /c use 09.27.41 # should make rockbox build on freebsd again 09.27.46 # and similar 09.29.20 # preglow, Slasheri: The patch currently has one drawback (that was also there before but usually didn't hit) - if a .cfg file contains an out-of-range volume: setting, funny effects may happen 09.29.38 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-19-241-33.bna.bellsouth.net) 09.29.39 # Furthermore it fixes a bug with the scaling on player and iriver 09.29.54 # (that was also there before) 09.30.37 # <_FireFly_> amiconn why does the cfg-loader doesn't check if the settings are valid ? 09.31.38 # Jungti1234: whatever rocks your boat :) I like the battery time left on mine, but yours is more simple, and that might be what you want 09.31.40 # That's another story... 09.32.38 # This will have to change, definitely, if we want to switch to a .cfg file for standard settings 09.33.28 # :) Yes. It was going to do analogously with iPod. 09.39.28 # .cfg file is a good idea as long as the loading is fast 09.40.04 # Yes, it has several advantages over the config sector 09.41.42 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@194-237-150-170.customer.telia.com) 09.42.34 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@p54A7D3AB.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.44.23 # btw, I found a nice online book the other day: http://producingoss.com/ 09.45.46 # to the point and detailed for people not up to speed on how to run open source projects 09.46.12 # post a link on the neuros list :-) 09.46.31 # I doubt that'd help 09.46.49 # they are doomed to repeat their mistakes 09.47.00 # I fear so too. 09.47.30 # and now there list has turned into a support list for the existing products 09.47.33 # their 09.53.04 # now my boss tells me I should work on my work ;-P 09.53.20 # * Bagder is his own boss atm 09.53.25 # hehe 09.56.20 # now, the downside of working from home is the lack of a coffee machine! 09.56.35 # * Bagder walks off, cursing 09.58.48 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.03.04 # * Bagder reappears, smiling 10.03.22 # hey guys 10.03.25 # Wake up! 10.03.53 # Sleepyheads :P 10.04.16 # i've been awake for four hours now :/ 10.04.38 # btw.. Is anyone elses H3XX running VERY HOT? 10.04.43 # mine is fair boiling :S 10.04.50 # well was.. 10.05.46 # hehe 10.09.52 # well, it seems rockbox runs out of battery a lot faster than the original on the h3x0 10.10.05 # and there is a reason for that 10.10.20 # perhaps that reason helps making the unit slightly warmer 10.16.34 # weird for a unit that's so close to h1x0 in design 10.16.37 # i've never run that hot 10.17.00 # the h3x0 seems to be powering things a lot more flexible and software controlled 10.17.19 # so there is a chance rockbox is doing something slightly wrong atm 10.17.53 # (all this based on my interpretations of info from Linus) 10.19.06 Nick Lynx_awy is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 10.21.57 Join KN|stiff [0] (i=phhome@141.48.5.66) 10.24.02 # it sometimes takes 3-4 tries to boot into original firmware. is that the back screen problem? 10.24.26 # MrShlee: what bootloader version? 10.24.37 # v21 10.24.43 # 2* 10.24.48 # there is a v3 10.24.58 # that might work better, it has been reported so by some 10.26.26 # my archos recorder has been stolen last week :(. How much would I need to pay for a H320? 10.27.12 # Good question 10.27.47 # ~300 USD 10.28.28 # hmm 10.28.44 # http://www.pricerunner.com/sound-and-vision/personal-audio/mp3-players/216507/prices 10.28.48 # archoses get stolen? :P 10.29.09 # I got my previous stolen too 10.29.21 # preglow: it was in my backpack, along with a cellphone, a digicam, an usb harddisk and other stuff :(( 10.30.16 # ouch 10.30.55 # yes, ouch 10.39.05 # hmm, amazon.de still has h340, for 349 eur 10.39.41 # someone with a h300 please test whether playback speed adjustments work: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.iriver 10.40.03 # amiconn: What if the user sets the bass to maximum and volume to maximum as well? Won't this reproduce clipping? 10.40.18 # it will possibly clip, yes 10.40.34 # with bass on +24db, it will most certainly clip 10.40.59 # If it clips we will have users running here that Rockbox sounds like "crap" (remember the other thread?) and it clips while iriver fw is nice. 10.41.14 # Because of their ignorance they are going to blame rockbox 10.41.31 # and because of their ignorance, i am going to ignore them 10.41.39 # someone put up a faq or seomthing 10.41.51 # XavierGr.. you CAN blame Rockbox, its in alpha and made line by line.. 10.42.05 # the rockbox might have problems but they WILL get fixed 10.42.10 # thats the difference. 10.42.11 # Yes but it will be a bad hit for no reason. 10.42.27 # XavierGr: i believe in giving the users who know what they're doing the tools to do so 10.42.33 # MrShlee: I think you missed the point 10.42.37 # the clueless masses will remain clueless to the end of time 10.42.41 # XavierGr: i wont limit rockbox because some people don't care to find out how stuff works 10.43.20 # still an option to cap the bass seems nice for the ignorant masses. I don't care because I never use eq. 10.43.29 # it's not like rockbox was started to win a popularity contest anyway 10.43.31 # I personally think sound quality is better. the volume gain is less and it sometimes skips 10.43.37 # you lose some you win some. 10.45.44 # preglow: Some had other opinion on this as I can remember. Some said that they want Rockbox more user friendly and idiot proof. Again I just say that an option is better for the newbies, either way I know that Rockbox will be better. 10.46.07 # Bagder: I'm here now 10.46.19 # markun: I committed a fix for the sed case in configure 10.46.28 # Ah, thanks! 10.46.43 # XavierGr: an option isn't better for the newbies, an option is never better for the newbies 10.46.54 # an idiotproof default is better for newbies 10.47.15 # and i don't want rockbox to end up idiotproof 10.47.21 # it'll probably suck for people who know they're doing, then 10.47.29 # well you right you said it. 10.47.41 # ^you are right 10.48.38 # anywho, if we end up with a default that allows clipping, we put up a faq entry on it, and let people educate themselves 10.48.46 # people who don't care to read it, will get ignored 10.48.57 # * preglow needs asm56000.exe :/ 10.49.18 Join Polo_o [0] (n=polo_o@82-69-160-166.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 10.50.47 # The main thing I don't like about the audio scaling is that it is done in secret. Rockbox should always be transparent. 10.51.45 # ÀϺ»¾î°¡ ¿µ¾îº¸´Ù ÈξÀ ³´°Ú´Ù! 10.51.49 # hi markun 10.52.02 # moring 10.52.06 # +n :) 10.52.10 # hehe 10.52.11 # linuxstb: agreed 10.52.31 # markun: how the porting on the Gigabeat is going? 10.52.36 # linuxstb: i'll try to some ipod coding later, btw 10.52.38 # preglow: Will your ipod button driver need to communicate via i2c from an interrupt? 10.52.45 # linuxstb: very probably 10.53.08 # So we'll have the same problem as the H300 when reading the RTC. 10.53.22 # rtc is connected via i2c? 10.53.36 # i thought it was just a couple of plain registers mapped somewhere in memory 10.53.46 # Yes - it's on the pcf50605 PMU 10.54.05 # The H300 has a pcf50606 (they are almost identical) 10.54.15 # then hooray 10.54.44 # but yeah, we access the rtc like an ordinary register in ipodrockbox right now 10.54.52 # or is there some i2c secrecy hiding behind it? 10.54.57 # That's a different rtc... 10.55.03 # oh, there are several 10.55.04 # nice 10.55.25 # It's not really an rtc - the one we read now is equivalent to Rockbox's current_tick variable. 10.55.35 # i.e. it's reset to zero when you reboot. 10.55.39 # riiight 10.55.47 # calling it an rtc is a bit... weird then 10.56.17 # XavierGr: not much progress. I was trying to make a cross-compiler to make ARM Linux binaries from FreeBSD, but I want to make sure I use the same glibc, gcc and linux versions as they did. 10.56.17 # Yes - but that's how IPL refers to that register. 11.00.49 # but anywho, i'll see if i can't get some general interrupt handler code going afterwards 11.00.57 # the code i have now deals only with the tick timer 11.03.36 # markun did you saw jlo's post about crosfeed adjustments? Seems that he knows about that stuff. 11.06.16 # yes he does 11.06.17 # I read it now, but one thing can't be right. By changing -0.2 to +0.3 it is not longer a hight pass filter, but a low pass filter. 11.06.31 # that filter needs to go anyway :-) 11.06.35 # yes :) 11.07.20 # so is it possible to have crossfeed without volume loss? 11.07.27 # markun: try crosstool, neat little thing for cross compiler build for linux 11.07.40 # for anything really 11.08.07 # It would maybe be better to just leave out the high-pass filter, instead of changing it to a low-pass one 11.08.12 # preglow: Linus's suggestions for reading the RTC were either to disable interrupts during the read, or to read the RTC from an interrupt. 11.09.07 # markun: he does suggest leaving out hrtf compensation 11.09.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.13.37 # markun: his highpass has the same cutoff as the lowpass, it seems 11.13.44 # that makes the code even faster, so i hope that's the case :) 11.16.27 Join yngwi [0] (n=chatzill@chello080109107064.1.15.vie.surfer.at) 11.21.26 # preglow: One point that convinced me to allow clipping is that we do exactly this on the recorder for years. No-one really complained, there was just the occasional 'why does it do this'? question 11.22.04 # Then we explained that 0 dB equals 92 %, and going higher might cause clipping 11.22.27 # (even without bass boost that is) 11.22.48 # We should just make an appropriate FAQ entry 11.22.49 # amiconn: if they understood that, then this is going to be straightforward 11.22.51 # help me 11.22.52 # http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/h300/rockbox/ag.JPG 11.23.06 # Why does error happen? 11.24.57 # cross compiler? 11.25.06 # markun: Looking at the gigabeat firmware upgrade, the binaries there were compiled with gcc 2.95.3 20010315 11.29.55 Quit yngwi ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 11.30.55 # why would someone wants to playback with a sample rate over 44.1Khz? 11.31.05 # a signal must be sampled at over twice the bandwidth of the desired signal. For instance, to reproduce signals in all the audible spectrum, which includes frequencies of up to 20 kHz, it is necesary to use DACs that operate at over 40 kHz. 11.34.42 # which they do 11.34.46 # XavierGr: I'm not sure what you're asking. I have lots of 48KHz files which mainly come from digital TV/Radio broadcasts. 11.35.04 # todays dacs operate at well above a megahertz 11.35.19 # with a somewhat reduced bit depth, heh 11.35.41 # My question is why use more than 44.1 if the audio spectrum is between 20Hz-20Khz? 11.36.20 # you're trying to explain it scientifically, so you're bound to get nowhere 11.36.27 # what's the point? You will get bigger filesize and no better quality 11.36.43 # the people who claim they need 96khz aren't exactly trying to be objective about it 11.37.41 # Ha! So there are people that declare they can say the difference between 96Khz music and 44.1 khz? 11.38.23 # yes 11.38.29 # and i believe a number have in blind tests as well 11.38.37 # but again, there are a lot of factors 11.38.40 # any blind tests? 11.38.53 # and it's not _impossible_ to hear frequencies above 20khz either 11.38.59 # i can myself, but i don't hear them as such 11.39.05 # scientifically, it's not so strange actually. consider a 20kHz sine and square wave. at 40k sample rate, they will look the same. 11.39.05 # it's more a strange sensation in the ear 11.39.05 Join BBub [0] (i=belzebub@dslb-084-059-199-235.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.39.06 # Does no one know reason? 11.39.24 # well how long beyond that? maybe 22Khz, more? 11.40.03 # Zagor: provided you've done your antialiasing properly ;) 11.40.05 # Jungti1234: Have you made any changes to your copy of the source code? Have you applied any patches? 11.40.18 # patch 11.40.21 # undo it 11.40.35 # I patched it. 11.40.45 # It looks like a problem with that patch. 11.40.49 # ah.. 11.41.06 # By the way, a person who make the patch is fine. 11.41.13 # sure, but his patch isnt 11.41.13 # heh 11.41.25 # Jungti1234: If you just want to compile and don't care about that plugin (rockblox) type make -k to see if you get more errors 11.41.30 # preglow: yeah, well they will both be a sawtooth wave (and sound like it). obviously, with a couple more samples per wave the difference can be recorded. 11.41.44 # Zagor: hell no, they'll both be sines 11.41.51 # ok 11.42.33 # at that frequency it's more or less down to luck what they'll look like anyway, but they should both be sines 11.42.34 # XavierGr: with higher sf you dont need so sharp cutoff filter at sf/2 11.42.37 # but now: lunch 11.42.44 # preglow: sines require post-processing, doesn't it? 11.42.53 # well, what's the sample rate in human ear after all? It must be a cap there too, right? ;p 11.43.29 # lol 11.43.42 # the cap is actually at about 20 khz 11.43.50 # and its lower when you're older 11.44.27 # BBub samplerate is different from audio spectrum 11.44.38 # i know 11.44.48 # you gotta go at least twice as high 11.45.25 # That's what I read, but some claim that sample rate must be higher than double. 11.45.51 # And here I ask. Which is the internal samplerate of human ear. 11.46.09 # then it would be about 40 kHz 11.46.21 # XavierGr: the human ear is analog 11.46.37 # but a 60 year old man might still "sample" at 36 kHz 11.46.57 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.46.59 # Zagor: But it will have a samplerate even if analog. 11.46.59 # i was just thinking that, its no like the brain can only processes in cycles 11.47.04 # 40kHz is enough to produce sound at 20kHz. but not enough to reproduce *any* sound at 20kHz 11.47.06 # It is like the eye. 11.47.14 # XavierGr: the human ear doesnt sample 11.47.20 # Human eye can't see more frames than a set number. 11.47.37 # it has little hairs for every frequency 11.47.41 # XavierGr: it's not that simple 11.47.43 # hey XavierGr 11.47.52 # and from that it measures the intensity 11.47.58 # Also, error happens. 11.48.50 # Well the brain processes the hearing so it must devide it into samples, no? 11.48.55 # no 11.48.58 # nope 11.49.04 # the brain is not a digital computer 11.49.23 # if we heard samples, mp3 compression would not work 11.49.35 # But that's the way with th ears. AFAIK 11.49.43 # ^eyes 11.49.49 # XavierGr? 11.50.09 # Jungti: What you want to do? 11.50.17 # well, your eyes dont even see a whole picture 11.50.20 # Error happens why. 11.50.38 # you can only see a small spot and your brain completes the scenery 11.50.50 # Jungti: compile the rockblox plugin with the patch or just compile the code? 11.51.02 # thats how REM sleep works 11.51.09 # i did it once while concious 11.51.13 # your brain is actually predicting the picture 11.51.27 # XavierGr: Japanese applied patch that make. 11.51.43 # So that means that I mustn't ask how many megapixels eye resolution is eh? ;p 11.52.06 # Jungti: that you made? Or that you applied? 11.52.15 # XavierGr: well there is one such limit also 11.52.20 # the eye has a maximum resolution 11.52.35 # lunch 11.52.35 # based on the properties of the eye 11.52.47 # so eyes have a samplerate and resolution but not ears? 11.53.14 # I applied it. 11.53.31 # only resolution can be derived from the eyes fysical aspect 11.53.55 # Jungti: I cannot help then. If it is a patch it means that it is out of date. 11.54.00 # Zagor: how requires post-processing? 11.54.28 # You can go to the line that the error occured (in the file) and see fo yourself if you can fix it. 11.54.32 # ears have bandwidth, not sample rate 11.54.43 # how? 11.54.54 # eyes have actually got a spatial sampling rate 11.55.00 Join KN|stiff [0] (i=phhome@141.48.5.107) 11.55.01 # Do we agree then that eyes have samplerate? 11.55.13 # sure 11.55.48 # but the ear does not detect samples 11.55.53 # hearing is frequency domain based 11.56.03 # it works like a filter bank, or a spectrum analyser, if you will 11.56.08 # Jungti: If you know C. Then refer to the line of the error in the file. And see if you can fix it. 11.56.17 # 'static struct rgb color = { 0x80, 0x80, 0x80 };' 11.56.37 # Bagder: I tried your compressed.patch. It seems to work so far. I can't test the firmware atm, forgot my USB cable... 11.56.38 # sorry I don't program well. 11.57.15 # Jungti: How on earth a Japanese patch broke rockblox? 11.57.32 # Some remarks: 11.57.37 # (1) The build dir is apps/decompressor although the source dir is firmware/decompressor. Any reason for this? 11.57.38 # I don't know. ^^; 11.58.02 # anyway have to reboot. 11.58.12 Part XavierGr 11.58.21 # (2) It says 'LD rockbox.elf' where it should say 'LD compressed.elf' 11.58.56 # (3) When compiling uclimage.c, it shows the full path instead of just the filename 12.00.09 # (4) "Image too big, makes a compressed version!" should probably read "...making.." 12.05.38 Quit Jungti1234 ("bye") 12.06.28 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 12.09.55 # Jungti1234: I don't think "struct rgb" exists in Rockbox any more - it was removed a few weeks ago. 12.10.12 # ah? 12.10.35 # hmm.. 12.11.35 # How old is the rockblox patch you are using? 12.12.07 # 12/05 12.12.22 # Today? 12.12.38 # yes 12.12.49 # I downloaded here : http://takka-tfact.cocolog-nifty.com/blog/ 12.13.02 # 7_rockblox_1205.patch 12.14.13 # http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Ftakka-tfact.cocolog-nifty.com%2Fblog%2F&langpair=ja%7Cen&hl=ko&newwindow=1&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&prev=%2Flanguage_tools 12.14.46 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp41-adsl-4.ath.forthnet.gr) 12.14.48 # amiconn: 1) because the link stuff is made in apps and the makefiles are made to only travserse down its on path 2) really? its the same .elf isn't it? 3) I'll fix 4) I'll fix 12.15.56 # ah, ok I see the 2) point now 12.15.58 # fixing 12.16.46 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 12.17.34 # I'll see what I can do about the 1) as well 12.18.04 Join Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-144-137-192-213.sa.bigpond.net.au) 12.18.16 # hey 12.18.33 # anybody know what crossfeed is? 12.18.34 # hi 12.18.45 # yes 12.18.58 # what is it? 12.19.47 # it mixes a tiny bit of left/right channel to the right/left channel, to simulate listening with speakers 12.19.50 # instead of headphones 12.20.13 # some people dont like that wierd headphone feel when there heavy panning in songs 12.20.51 # when installing a new version of rockbox, is it ok to just overwrite the old version? or should you delete the old and put the new one in? 12.21.04 # cannard: when done right, it can also move audio from inside your head to infront of you. 12.21.18 # of course, there doesn't seem to be a minute delay in rockbox's crossfeed afaict 12.21.27 # harder to do with ety's i would say :p 12.21.30 # it is ok to just overwrite the old version 12.21.36 # awesome 12.21.45 # Lost-ash: there is 12.21.49 # 13 samples 12.21.57 # Membrillo: i always just unpack over the top. rockbox deliberately forgets the settings when someone bumps the version 12.22.04 # thanks ash, i was hoping someone would chime in with a better explanation than my piss poor attempt 12.22.45 Join hshah [0] (n=acbc19b5@labb.contactor.se) 12.23.39 # TiMiD: you around? 12.24.28 # markun: hmm. it should be about 60, not 13 12.24.34 # wait, samples. nevermind 12.24.41 # * Lost-ash isn't doing the right math ;) 12.26.26 Quit elinenbe (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 12.30.17 Quit Membrillo () 12.31.15 # Jungti1234: That Rockblox patch is the same one as this: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1254094 12.31.20 # It's 3 months old... 12.31.32 # -_-; 12.31.36 # oh... 12.32.28 # It was old. 12.34.57 Join webguest14 [0] (n=9ea9830e@labb.contactor.se) 12.36.30 # what do the crossfade settings mean? 12.37.19 # no need for rockbox crossfeeding, just build it into your headphone amp 12.39.33 # for those who are actually willing to lug around a headphone amp 12.39.45 # any major River changes in the last week.. worth upgrading the build? 12.39.56 # hey Zak1392 12.39.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu 12.40.30 # MrShlee: http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html 12.40.33 # Does this help to you? 12.40.41 # excellento 12.42.11 # bye 12.42.15 # good night 12.42.26 Quit Jungti1234 ("bye") 12.43.52 # sort of 12.45.56 Quit MrShlee (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.45.58 Quit hshah ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.47.18 Join webguest06 [0] (n=c31ce021@labb.contactor.se) 12.53.02 # any children of bodom fans here? 12.53.10 # amiconn: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/compress-2.patch, all 4 remarks fixed and the conditional set to work "for real" 12.53.21 # Hmm, it seems that tagcache becomes a reality :) But at first it will be available only in wps and in future for browsing too 12.53.43 # Zak1392: Hmm, not quite fan that much but i like it ;) 12.54.40 # i'm listening to their live cd Tokyo Warhearts on my h340 and it sounds amazing gapless :) 12.54.51 # hehe, that's nice to hear :) 12.55.26 # i wish Avenged Sevenfold would release a live cd soon... 12.55.46 # they're another one of my faces :) 12.56.07 # *faves 12.56.53 Quit webguest06 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 12.58.18 # Slasheri: How does it work? Does it generate a tag dabase from scratch? 12.58.19 Join webguest06 [0] (n=c31ce021@labb.contactor.se) 12.58.31 # Zak1392: i like the most industrial/gothic genre but some metal bands like that children of bodom are not bad either :)C 12.58.39 # Slasheri: What is tagcache? 12.58.42 # linuxstb: yep, no pc is needed for that 12.59.00 # it uses the same idea as dircache: do as much on background as you can 12.59.03 # Does it use the code in get_metadata() to read the tags? 12.59.10 # yes 12.59.23 # i already have a working cache initialization routines 12.59.23 # Cool. So it obviously supports every file format that Rockbox does. 12.59.32 # it takes about 5-10min. to build the cache 12.59.37 # (unlike songdb) 12.59.38 # (10 min. with music playing on background) 12.59.42 # yes 13.00.03 # a database biult on the go? 13.00.19 # and in future when browsing support is added, it is possible to browse the cache file on disk before it's loaded into ram completly 13.00.26 # Why does it take so long to build? 13.00.46 # XavierGr: yep, and it's then loaded into ram 13.00.58 # linuxstb: reading metadata from >5000 songs takes some time.. :) 13.01.03 # Slasheri: why not expand the existing database rather than build a new? 13.01.08 # and it seeks disk a lot 13.01.13 # the whole tag database to ram? 13.01.30 # how big? 13.01.30 # Zagor: i have tried thinking that too, but it would be hard to do 13.01.38 # in size? 13.01.42 # why? 13.02.03 # Zagor: tagdb is not designed to be loaded into ram, and i couldn't even get it working so i could have tried it.. 13.02.18 # XavierGr: i have not an idea yet, but it seems to be smaller than the dircache 13.02.34 # Slasheri: the solution is not to reinvent the wheel again... 13.02.38 # it depend how much tags you have of course 13.02.44 # Zagor: yes, that's true.. 13.02.47 # I fail to see how it can be smaller than the dir cache 13.02.52 # if all files are tagged 13.02.56 # and you have mostly music 13.03.07 # Slasheri: Your multicrafts always amaze me! 13.03.31 # Bagder: currently the tagcache file (with _full_ filenames) was ~500 KiB and dircache 450 KiB. But, when tagcache is on ram, it doesn't have the filenames at all (only pointers to the dircache) 13.03.39 # so it must be smaller (at least with my files) 13.03.48 # but the tags are longer than the file name 13.03.54 # at least in my files 13.04.06 # of course it depends on what tags you keep 13.04.16 # yep, that's weird indeed. 13.04.33 # 50KB tags for 5000 files is 10 bytes per file. not many tags in your music... :-) 13.04.44 # But i will know better when i get the ram loading work 13.04.53 # It can easily climb to 1MB for a full player. 13.05.07 # hehe, true. Might be some bugs :) 13.05.36 # I have full tagging on my 6000+ files 13.05.45 # it should be way over 30 bytes per file 13.05.52 # in fact that doesn't make sense at all.. with full filenames, the tag file should have been much bigger 13.05.57 # so there must be a bug 13.06.00 # that's 180K 13.06.05 # Bagder then take the patch and test it. 13.06.14 # *shrug* 13.06.22 # I don't use those things 13.06.41 # I probably use a smaller portion of Rockbox than most users ;-) 13.06.47 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-45-166.bb.netvision.net.il) 13.06.49 # * amiconn does like the idea, but not the implementation 13.07.01 # More code diversity... 13.07.26 # in fact, I've been ponder if throwing out the current db related stuff would be good or bad 13.07.30 # pondering 13.07.50 # I think it blocks development as it is right now 13.08.00 # its there, so no one writes anything new 13.08.10 # but its so broken and hard to use so hardly anyone uses it 13.08.17 # I agree. As it seems to be mostly abandoned and not well understood, I don't see a problem in throwing it out. 13.08.39 # Imho it's not broken 13.08.49 # It works and is usable 13.08.52 # it was very simple and easy to understand when I wrote it... 13.08.56 # it has numerous bugs 13.09.11 # It's certainly not the best solution, agreed on that 13.09.13 # Zagor: yes, but someone altered that... 13.09.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.09.47 # Bagder: The only real bug I know about is the minute-long playlist building when selecting somethin in the song list 13.09.56 # * preglow never used the db 13.10.11 # Other than that, there are some not-yet-completed features 13.10.14 # well, I've not even tried to research the reported bugs, perhaps they're all moot 13.10.25 # my whole purpose in writing the thing was to set the tone and direction for the simple "rockbox style" design. 13.10.32 # when i tried enabling the tagdb, my player crashed immediately without any message in logf.. 13.10.38 # so those interested in it could continue to build on it 13.10.39 # fucking allergies. I've been snezzing for half an hour!!! 13.11.11 # maybe I was naive 13.11.18 # well 13.11.36 # let's say that HCl and I had different views on how to do things 13.11.42 # ...and now I've been inactive for too long to be able to complain :-) 13.11.42 # and I didn't care to resist all the way 13.11.55 # Zagor: I agree that the KISS principle is a bit disregarded lately, which I don't like as well 13.12.16 # I've been meaning to re-implement the db one day 13.12.26 # Bagder: just go back a bit in cvs ;) 13.12.33 # yeah 13.12.34 # come on, let's just adopt itunesdb!!11 13.12.40 # haha 13.13.11 # i think that implementing api to the db (for retrieving data) would be a good thing, now most of the could would need to be rewritten for the ram version.. 13.13.11 # This is one reason why I made the volume patch that removes the limiting options again, which are imho overkill 13.13.25 # amiconn: I'm with you on that 13.13.34 # speaking of it, do the daily biuld reach back to the firsts builds when rockbox started? 13.13.42 # Slasheri: you're missing the point. having two versions is total waste. 13.13.49 # XavierGr: certainly not 13.14.00 # XavierGr: we only keep some 30 days or so 13.14.23 # I thought so.. 13.15.03 # but everything is in CVS so you can easily reproduce any at will 13.15.19 # fromd day 1 13.15.25 # at least day 1 in CVS 13.15.33 # if we only write new code and never stop to think of purpose and coherence, we'll end up with a multi-MLOC chaos before long 13.17.25 # * amiconn fully agrees 13.19.07 # mloc? 13.19.20 # Million Lines Of Code 13.21.30 # hey, I didn't mean to kill the channel... :-) 13.22.02 # too late, we're depressed now 13.22.06 # haha 13.22.20 # * Bagder transfers lots of data 13.22.32 # Bagder: how many connections are you up to now? 13.22.32 # useless data 13.22.45 # I'm still measuring the current implementation 13.22.55 # I'm a bit amazed of its speed ;-) 13.23.02 # Summary from 500 simultanoues transfers: 13.23.07 # 390 out of 500 connections provided data 13.23.14 # 29863 calls to curl_multi_perform(), average 148 alive. Average time: 700us 13.23.35 # Average number of readable connections per select() return: 120 13.23.52 # 700us is not a lot of time 13.24.09 # I've never used the tagdb, but what can that do that can't be done by automatically building lots of playlists and putting them in a directory structure such as Artist/Album/Genre/Year etc ? 13.24.14 # in fact, i think the new tagdb could work on archos too without dircache (and without loading itself to the ram). But i can't promise yet without testing the performance.. 13.26.34 # linuxstb: search 13.26.38 # Bagder: I hope you will fix the inconvenience in curl I encountered a few weeks ago 13.26.40 Join criis_ [0] (n=criis@hypnos.adm.ku.dk) 13.26.47 # dircache is only needed for loading the db into ram, so it can also operate directly from disk as tagdb currently does 13.27.31 # all: What do you think would be the best way to get a decision on the volume scale/options/etc patch? 13.27.40 # Zagor: What kind of searches can you do? 13.27.42 # A poll? dev ml? 13.28.10 # amiconn: I say dev ml and see if anything sensible comes up ;-) 13.28.44 # ml stands for? 13.28.55 # mailing list (?) 13.28.56 # linuxstb: none in my code, but the data model is designed to do combination searches. i.e. "abba" and 1974 etc 13.29.08 # ah yes 13.31.51 # Hey. Does anyone know if running rockbox on a european H340 is a good idea. I've heard that it runs somewhat well on the US one, but they are different. 13.32.29 # it should be fine 13.35.31 # Right. I'll give it a shot then. 13.36.37 # mines an intl. version 13.38.35 # Right. I thought I read about problems with the intl. one but I must remember incorrectly then. 13.47.45 # there were some booting problems, but they should be fixed with bootloader V3 13.48.48 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.49.36 # OK, cool. 13.49.50 Join webguest95 [0] (n=864c0349@labb.contactor.se) 13.50.15 # Which reminds me. There was a german guy on the mailing list a couple of days ago who had installed it on his 320. 13.50.28 # That kind of answered my question really. 13.51.15 Join webguest38 [0] (n=522e39b4@labb.contactor.se) 13.55.53 # Argh, since when have the changed the korean firmware to some 13.55.57 # lousy exe-file? 14.01.14 # <_FireFly_> criis_ go to the global iriver side there you bekome the normal zip-version 14.02.32 # i hope he doesnt become a zip-file :P 14.04.30 # <_FireFly_> on the korean side the self-extracting-exe-file is in a zip-file ;) 14.05.19 # <_FireFly_> criis_: http://www.iriver.com/html/support/download/sudw_view.asp?searchProductIdx=&searchCategoryIdx=&searchString=&page=1&idx=767&tmpSearchProductIdx=&tmpSearchCategoryIdx=&tmpSearchString= 14.08.47 # Thanks for that link. 14.08.59 # I admire a man who can navigate iriver's site. :) 14.11.00 # _FireFly_: what i meant is that become means "to turn into" ;) 14.11.30 Quit Zak1392 (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.30 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.11.30 Quit lostlogi1x (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.30 Quit Maxime (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.30 Quit merbanan (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.30 Quit goa (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.30 Quit wubbla (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.30 Quit Lynx_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.11.33 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.12.01 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.12.01 NJoin Zak1392 [0] (n=zkeeping@CPE-144-137-192-213.sa.bigpond.net.au) 14.12.01 NJoin lostlogi1x [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 14.12.01 NJoin Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 14.12.01 NJoin merbanan [0] (i=banan@dalink.campus.luth.se) 14.12.01 NJoin goa [0] (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 14.12.01 NJoin wubbla [0] (n=wubbla@adsl-141.231.166.194.arpa.as1901.net) 14.12.01 NJoin Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 14.12.43 # woah... 14.12.51 # <_FireFly_> Zak1392 what ?? 14.13.35 # what do you mean what? 14.16.02 # <_FireFly_> Zak1392 why do you said woah... ?? 14.16.08 # * linuxstb finally has a remote for his h140 :) 14.16.13 # <_FireFly_> ;) 14.16.57 # I was expecting the LCD to be larger - Sudoku isn't going to be easy to play... 14.17.34 # <_FireFly_> ;) 14.17.57 # <_FireFly_> yeah you need scrolling 14.19.14 # What's the "ticking problem" ? 14.21.13 # linuxstb: not everyone's got it 14.21.21 # linuxstb: but it's the data bus leaking over to the audio 14.21.23 # linuxstb, I imagine it's the old Iriver remote problem where some hardware fault made the remote give a slight (but annoying) tick. 14.22.00 # Strike that. Apparently it's a software fault (thanks preglow). 14.22.24 # I assume it would be obvious if I had it? 14.23.17 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp41-adsl-4.ath.forthnet.gr) 14.23.51 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.24.21 # linuxstb, yup, unless you're deaf. :) 14.24.40 # It made me return my 140 and get a 340 instead. 14.25.36 # no, it is a hardware fault, they say 14.26.09 # preglow, ah, must have misunderstood you. 14.26.39 # Does logf still work on the remote? 14.26.43 # linuxstb: yea 14.27.11 Quit webguest14 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.29.04 # markun: The unicode patch causes conflicts against current cvs... 14.29.19 # * amiconn wanted to try unicode together with compressed.patch 14.30.45 Join Sandking [0] (n=jacek@ogorek.akron.net.pl) 14.31.16 # <_FireFly_> linuxstb: yepp, 14.36.05 # amiconn: that would indeed be the grand test 14.38.14 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.47.11 # amiconn: Which did you try, the one on my website? I can make you a new one 14.50.14 Quit Zak1392 () 14.54.06 # markun: I tried the last one I downloaded... the conflicts are caused by morse input and other things 14.54.06 Quit webguest06 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.54.29 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@64.190.36.240) 14.55.45 # Slasheri: you got any idea about the queueing bug? 14.56.23 # preglow: i haven't been able to test that without remote lcd, i will try when i get home :) 14.56.31 # I will fix it. I'm looking at conflicting code in playback.c, but can't see what the code is supposed to do. 14.57.01 Nick lostlogic_ is now known as lostlogic (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 14.57.01 DBUG Enqueued KICK lostlogic 14.58.00 Quit Lynx_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.58.00 NSplit kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 14.58.00 Quit wubbla (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.58.00 Quit goa (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.58.00 Quit merbanan (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.58.00 Quit Maxime (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.58.00 Quit lostlogi1x (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 14.58.21 # preglow: profiling works, btw... files play at about 1/4 speed while profiling, but it does seem to do it's job... hopefully today I can write the parser to convert PCs to symbols and make pretty the output. 15.00.00 # lostlogic: excellent! 15.00.35 # preglow: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox_profile.patch and Makefile.patch are up-to-date if you want to play. 15.01.02 NHeal kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.01.02 NJoin lostlogi1x [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 15.01.02 NJoin Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 15.01.02 NJoin merbanan [0] (i=banan@dalink.campus.luth.se) 15.01.02 NJoin wubbla [0] (n=wubbla@adsl-141.231.166.194.arpa.as1901.net) 15.01.02 NJoin Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.01.47 # lostlogi1x: Do you have an example of the output of your profiler? 15.01.56 # linuxstb: yeah, lemme put some up. 15.02.12 Quit pabs ("Reconnecting") 15.02.12 Part criis_ 15.02.13 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 15.03.07 Quit wubbla (Remote closed the connection) 15.03.12 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD559D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.03.39 Join wubbla [0] (n=wubbla@adsl-141.231.166.194.arpa.as1901.net) 15.04.37 # linuxstb: http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/profile.out a brief profiling run of vorbis decoding. 15.04.38 # amiconn: were you gonna elaborate on the "curl problem" you mentioned? 15.05.50 Quit _FireFly_ ("Download IceChat at www.icechat.net") 15.05.57 # I think the output may be squirly as I look at it, something like duplicates getting output. I guess bugs are to be expected :( 15.06.25 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=icechat5@pd95b7c08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.09.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.10.46 Quit Lynx_ (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.10.46 Quit merbanan (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.10.46 Quit Maxime (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.10.46 Quit lostlogi1x (kornbluth.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.10.47 Join lostlogicx [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 15.10.58 NJoin merbanan [0] (i=banan@dalink.campus.luth.se) 15.10.58 NJoin Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 15.11.50 NJoin Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.16.34 # Bagder: One or two months ago I used curl, for the first time, to test something 15.18.02 # It took me a while to figure out what was going wrong. Imho curl should output the http status when doing a http transfer and something went wrong 15.18.41 # well, in curl's view, a non-200 HTTP code is not wrong 15.18.56 # The code was 501 15.19.00 # still 15.19.09 # you asked for it, you got it 15.19.12 # ...and I would have expected at least some message 15.19.26 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.19.27 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD559D.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.19.33 # (warning, whatever) 15.21.04 # I understand your point, but curl is more low-level than so 15.21.26 # it does have an option if you want errors on http errors 15.22.56 # I don't want errors on http errors, but not displaying any hint for a non-200 http status seems a bit strange to me 15.23.06 # (unless silent operation is requested) 15.23.26 # well, curl gets the HTTP you asked for, and you got HTTP back successfully 15.23.55 # No, I didn't. 15.24.17 # if you didn't get HTTP back, then were was the status code? 15.24.20 # where 15.24.38 # 501 means 'Not implemented', and I don't count this as a successful transfer 15.24.48 # the HTTP transfer was successful 15.24.54 # the server-side request was not 15.25.38 # Nitpicking? ;) Yes, the *request* wasn't successful 15.25.45 # it is far from nitpick to me 15.25.49 # it is the essence of curl 15.26.01 # it does HTTP 15.26.09 # getting a 501 back is not a HTTP failure 15.26.27 # it is perfectly fine HTTP 15.26.45 # Of course not, but afaiu curl is for transferring data to and from URLs 15.26.58 # you did transfer data, heh 15.27.11 # Yes, but not successful, that's my point 15.27.13 # sure, if you use it as a kind of browser on the command line, you might feel a lack of such extras 15.27.16 # it was successful 15.27.25 # from curls point of view 15.27.58 # preglow: If I request a resource, and only get back a status telling me it can't fulfill the request, that's definitely not successful afaics 15.28.10 # it depends on what you wanted 15.28.17 # lots of people use curl to stress test 15.28.23 # they _want_ the 501 back 15.28.30 Join massiveH [0] (n=42c0680a@labb.contactor.se) 15.29.38 # Bagder: If so, I can imagine curl should still tell what status it got back 15.29.50 # you can make it 15.30.02 # I mean, with options 15.31.35 Part massiveH 15.33.16 # I couldn't find such an option... and since the is the -f option to silence HTTP error output, I somehow expected that it would show errors by default 15.33.49 # (also -s for silent operation) 15.33.53 # yes it does, it just doesn't consider a HTTP 501 response an error ;-) 15.34.16 # amiconn: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode4.diff 15.34.35 # So what option should I use to see 50x status codes? 15.35.06 # amiconn: I'd say either you'd use -i to get all the headers, or you'd use -w to get the specific code 15.35.43 # Btw, afaiu I understand http, 4xx codes mean 'client error', 5xx codes mean 'server error'. Both are errors... 15.36.10 # but you don't seem to understand curl's part in all this 15.36.13 # or how I see its part 15.37.07 # it is on purpose 15.37.29 # I wasn't looking for a specific code, I was investigating what was going wrong. The correct code would have been 201 as I was testing HTTP PUT 15.37.52 # but then you should've checked the server's response headers 15.38.53 # Yes of course. Somehow I expected curl to display whether something went wrong (informative, without stopping the operation) 15.39.36 # The way curl worked somewhat reminded me of how internet explorer would do it... 15.40.11 # I disagree, on both 15.42.44 # Bagder: Is your compressed.patch finished? 15.43.01 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/compress-2.patch 15.43.08 # I think it works as supposed 15.43.15 # great 15.43.37 # We could have unicode rockbox tonight :) 15.43.54 # If amiconn has no problem with it 15.44.22 # markun: Will developers have to do anything differently after your Unicode patch is applied? 15.44.37 Quit Sandking () 15.45.15 # yes, I made a utf8length function which should be used instead of strlen in some cases 15.45.26 # Maybe it should be renamed to something more posix 15.45.49 # So utf8length returns number of characters, and strlen still returns the number of bytes? 15.45.55 # yep 15.46.34 # And all strings internally should be utf-8 encoded 15.47.20 # So does that mean we should use utf8 encoding for the Rockbox source files? 15.47.43 # IIUC the current standard is iso-8859-1 15.48.07 # It doesn't matter if there are no hardcoded strings 15.48.55 # All .lang files needs to be utf-8 15.48.57 # But to edit language files you will need a unicode editor anyway, so we could also have utf-8 as standard encoding 15.48.57 # Plugins have hardcoded strings (at the moment). But I would expect them all to be in English and plain ASCII. 15.49.41 # amiconn: Did you try unicode with compress-2.patch? 15.49.47 # wcslen() seems to be the commonly used name 15.50.14 # markun: unicode4.diff has problems. 15.50.26 # recorder/keyboard.c:290: error: `j' undeclared (first use in this function) 15.50.42 # (building for recorder v1) 15.50.43 # I thought I changed that.. 15.51.34 # Bagder: Isn't that for wide characters, rather than utf8 ? 15.52.20 # um, perhaps 15.52.30 # I'm really lost when it comes to unicode... 15.53.28 Quit _FireFly_ ("Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.") 15.54.28 # it is 15.54.42 # almost nothing uses utf8 internally, so you might as well just call it itf8length 15.54.48 # utf8length, yes 15.55.35 # There is also the wcswidth() function (for wide chars) that tells you how many terminal columns that string will occupy - which is different to the number of characters... 15.56.30 # things can get really hairy if you really want to dive into unicode 15.57.07 # I can't find any POSIX functions for operating on utf8 though. 15.57.55 # you wont find it 15.58.04 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 16.00.13 # markun: Do you use wide characters as well as utf8? 16.00.56 # double width chars? 16.02.30 # I mean a string consisting of the decoded utf8. 16.02.54 # he only uses utf8, i believe 16.03.07 # which isn't such a big case for us, since we really don't do much string processing 16.03.43 # does rockbox do unicode filenames yet? 16.03.44 # well, we use a decoded string for the bidi code before printing it 16.03.55 # chendo__: almost :) 16.04.14 # mmm... i think my filenames are SJIS anyway :( 16.04.44 # On-disk filenames are always UCS-16 with FAT32 afaik 16.04.56 # VFAT to be precise 16.04.59 # what about ID3 tags? 16.05.21 # amiconn: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode5.diff.gz 16.05.41 # chendo__: They can be SJIS if you like 16.05.56 # but can rockbox read them properly? 16.06.00 # i get garbled stuff 16.06.08 # we are working on it 16.06.53 # sweet 16.06.55 Nick chendo__ is now known as chendo (i=chendo@203-206-61-133.dyn.iinet.net.au) 16.07.16 # how's USB mode for iriver coming? 16.16.00 # Bagder: Hmm, now I am confused. 16.17.18 # unicode patch together with compressed-2.patch seems to have worked because I get an ajbrec.ajz of the expceted size, however, I can't find the build dir of the decompressor nor any output from 'make' ... 16.17.37 # ! 16.19.00 # the decompressor is in firmware/ now 16.19.20 # Not here. 16.19.40 # I have firmware/common and firmware/drivers as usual 16.19.42 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47BC0.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.20.20 # if i want to develop a plugin for rockbox, where's the best place to start? i've read the helloworld.c and the contributing pages 16.20.52 # amiconn: then remove the rockbox.ucl file and do make V=1 16.21.02 # should reveal the details 16.21.22 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-31.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 16.22.22 Quit actionshrimp (Client Quit) 16.23.57 # Bagder: The first call to scramble tries to scramble rockbox.ucl - !! 16.24.14 # oh 16.24.16 # hehe 16.24.32 # change order of the dependencies 16.24.35 # Of course this leads to approximately the right size... 16.24.45 # I mean make it $(BUILDDIR)/$(BINARY) : $(OBJDIR)/rockbox.bin $(FLASHFILE) 16.24.50 # It needs to scamble rockbox.bin instead 16.25.20 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-31.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 16.26.56 # and the second scramble uses args too 16.27.00 # wrong args 16.27.15 # Hmm, but now the unicode patch doesn't exceed 200 KB (!!) 16.27.24 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.27.24 # * amiconn wonders why 16.28.17 # markun: Is arabjoin still disabled for archos? 16.28.26 # amiconn: I forgot to remove the #define NO_ARABJOIN 16.28.34 # bleh 16.28.46 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/compress-3.patch 16.29.11 # I'll remove NO_ARABJOIN altogether, ok? 16.29.11 # fixes both scramble invokes 16.29.51 # how the hell are we gonna get video on rockbox... i'm looking at the jpeg plugin and it's huge 16.30.39 # chendo: like apps/video.c perhaps? ;-) 16.31.21 # but if you think jpeg is huge, then I don't know what you expected 16.31.26 # mmm 16.31.53 # well, divx/xvid would be a pain, no? 16.32.05 # unless we port ffdshow somehow 16.32.11 # why would they be more pain than any other codec? 16.32.48 # I mean, sure there is lots of work 16.32.53 # surely any mpeg4-based codec would be waay too cpu-intensive? 16.33.09 # iaudio x5 plays xvid at 13 fps 16.33.10 # I assume this is meant for hxxx ? 16.33.16 # it does? 16.33.17 # wow 16.33.29 # smaller resolution though, but still 16.33.34 # hmm 16.33.36 # mhm 16.33.51 # ;) 16.34.03 # iriver offical firmware plays xvid... 16.34.11 # http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/unicode6.diff.gz 16.34.11 # at 220x140 and 10fps though 16.34.36 # i'd be happy if rockbox plays that :P 16.34.53 # then start working! ;-) 16.35.09 # i suck at C :( 16.35.29 Quit actionshrimp ("a bird in the bush is worth two in your house") 16.35.37 # my C++ is only slightly better, i prefer python 16.36.17 # otherwise i was gonna try making an ID3 editor 16.36.36 # should be within my capabilities 16.36.50 # is there a full documentation on rockbox's functions though? 16.37.11 # amiconn: did you get my last link? 16.37.21 # I'm off, back again tonight 16.38.23 # markun: Yes. 16.38.35 # Should be over the limit again 16.38.39 # HydraIRC does have a really useful URL catcher 16.38.57 # No problems in finding URLs posted hours ago 16.39.23 # my bad. found the API docs 16.40.23 # chendo: what kind of plugin would you like to work on? 16.40.50 # had a quick glance at the feature request list... ID3 editor seems to be a good one 16.40.54 # unless there is anything easier 16.41.11 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-31.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 16.42.40 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: now i hve a patch to disable the wrap-around of integer-options :) 16.42.41 # what does "NOT CURRENTLY SUPPORTED" in the API docs mean? 16.42.52 # <_FireFly_> but the sf.net is currently down :( 16.45.18 # close to 2am, i'm off. 16.45.21 # laters 16.45.35 # I've made some updates to the Main Menu page of the WikiManual: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu#Prevent_clipping_iriver_jukeboxe 16.45.51 # including addition of sections for Prevent Clipping, Crossfeed, and Crossfade. 16.46.31 # Slasheri, if you could either fill in the options chart for crossfade or give me a 2 sentence reminder of what the various functions do, I'd appreciate it. 16.47.33 # I also changed the "move to next folder" option to "auto change directory" to be consistent with what the option is now actually called ... although I think that "auto change directory" is much less intuitive than "move to next folder." 16.48.14 # The "prevent clipping" section contains a disclaimer that the option is still under discussion and may change. 16.49.47 # Okay, compressed unicode rockbox seems to be built correctly. I'll test the binary tonight 16.51.41 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: http://home.arcor.de/s.wezel/wrap-int-fix.patch 16.52.15 # Febs: hi, the options are: Enable crossfade: always - enables crossfader for all track changes and new track selection, shuffle - enables crossfading only when shuffle mode is activated, off - no crossfading. Fade in/out delay: How many seconds to wait before starting fading the stream (these options will change to a new name in future). Fade in/out duration: How many seconds the fading should take for the selected stream. If duration is 0, there is no ... 16.52.21 # ... fading at all (still delay settings have the effect). Fade out style: crossfade - normal crossfading, mix - fade out duration will only mix the stream to be faded out without fading it 16.52.27 Join leftright [0] (n=5087f1c0@labb.contactor.se) 16.53.58 # Febs, there's feature missing from the Replay Gain type option on the wiki, which is "Track gain if shuffling" 16.54.11 # Slasheri: With the 'fade offset' idea, you would both save one delay setting and the style setting 16.54.24 # Slasheri, got it, thanks. Will update the wiki in a few minutes. 16.54.57 # amiconn: one style setting, how? 16.55.03 # leftright, I haven't yet used replaygain, so I need to work with it before I can update the wiki. Feel free to add it yourself in the interim. 16.55.19 # As Linus would say, it *is* a wiki, after all. :) 16.55.32 # I would if I knew how, Febs, I tend to break things 16.55.36 # amiconn: i will add that offset, but there is much more fixes to the crossfade that probably should be done before that 16.57.28 # Slasheri, is there any difference between Fade out style = mix and fade-out duration=0? 16.57.41 # Slasheri: Iiuc the style means whether both streams are faded at the same time, or if the second stream is faded in while the first remains constant, then the first stream is faded out while the second one is already playing at full level 16.58.00 # All these things are possible with just 3 delay settings 16.58.15 # Fade out delay, fade in delay, and crossfade offset 16.58.31 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-206-97.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 16.58.36 # (of course the crossfade offset can be both negative and positive) 16.59.26 # Crossfade would be completely deactivated if all 3 times are 0 16.59.54 # Febs: There is, in fact i have to check the code.. :) 17.00.06 # * leftright goes to look for a wiki tutorial 17.00.40 # leftright, if you click "edit" on any wiki page, it will provide you with links to wiki formatting references. 17.02.37 # amiconn: Eh, interesting.. It seems you are correct, there is no need for the mixmode at all :) 17.02.59 # setting fade out duration to 0, should do the same thing 17.03.15 # i don't know what was the idea adding it.. 17.03.26 # amiconn: oh, in fact there is.. 17.03.42 # fade out duration sets the crossfade buffer length 17.03.53 # so that style setting is necessary 17.04.09 # Imho it's not 17.04.26 # so setting fade out duration to 0, will not mix the songs 17.04.51 # mixing both streams without fading is not possible without that setting 17.05.13 # The crossfade buffer length should be fade_in_delay + crossfade_offset + fade_out_delay if crossfade_offset is positive, 17.05.51 # amiconn: with crossfade offset, there is no need for fade in/out delay.. 17.06.14 # it's just |crossfade_offset| + fade_out_delay 17.06.17 # and MAX(MAX(fade_in_delay, fade_out_delay), crossfade_offset) if crossfade_offset is negative 17.06.59 # oh, i mean |crossfade_offset| + fade_out_duration 17.07.10 # Hmm, it seems I should draw a little image of how I imagine it could (should) work 17.07.26 # Hmm, probably that would help :) 17.07.36 # Erm, replace fade_*_delay im my descriptions with fade_*_duration 17.07.42 # ah :) 17.08.13 # amiconn: fade_in_duration is a separate thing and it doesn't need buffer space 17.08.21 # it's processed on-the-fly 17.08.23 # It doesn't? 17.08.25 # no 17.08.35 # only fade out buffer is required 17.08.55 # * amiconn wonders why/how fade in can be handled on the fly, but fade out cannot 17.09.12 # does anyone know what gain type is reverted to if "track gain if shuffled is deselected" 17.09.24 # amiconn: fade out buffer is processed completely at once (and fade out applied to it) 17.09.30 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.09.44 # then when new data is inserted into pcm buffer, it will be mixed/faded with the fade out buffer that is being played 17.09.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.09.57 # and when fade out buffer is completely played, fading in might still continue 17.10.21 # Hmm, then it works rather different from how I imagined it would 17.10.43 # yes, it saves some buffer space and is not too complicated :) 17.10.51 # ok, so I've make a change to the wiki, how do I exit and save changes ? 17.10.55 # I don't think it saves buffer space 17.11.26 # amiconn: it there is fade_in_delay (the offset) or fade_in_duration is longer, then all that space is saved 17.11.48 # (in fact that is the after crossfade fading) 17.12.26 # the there might be: fade out - crossfade - fade in parts at once 17.12.35 # *so 17.12.46 # leftright: Click on Preview, and then if you are happy, click on save (and tick the "Release edit lock" checkbox) 17.15.22 # I assum that the gain mode last used is the mode that is reverted to if shuffle is deslected ? 17.17.38 # * leftright looks around the room 17.17.47 # leftright, just looking at the replaygain menus, it seems to me that the only way to deselect "track gain if shuffled" is to select either "album gain" or "track gain." 17.18.13 # or deselect shuffle 17.18.25 # Ah, I see your point. 17.18.49 # In that case, it seems that "track gain if shuffled" implies that it is album gain otherwise. 17.18.58 # amiconn: i like the idea of having only 3 crosfade settings, but i have a question: wouldn't a positive value of crossfade_offset mean that there is an additional gap inserted? 17.19.10 # thats what I'm assuming as well Febs 17.19.45 # webguest95: No. 17.20.06 # anyway my first wiki addition ever is done, 17.20.14 # A gap would only be inserted if crossfade_offset > fade_out_duration + fade_in_duration 17.21.31 # amiconn: ah, i thougtht that crossfade_offset would be the overlap of the tracks 17.25.09 # webguest95: it is 17.25.57 # amiconn: in fact code can't handle that situation, so no gap will be inserted. The fade in delay will be just shortened 17.27.07 Quit webguest38 ("CGI:IRC") 17.31.16 # I'll provide a little image later 17.32.19 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 17.36.18 Part Polo_o 17.37.51 Join Polo_o [0] (n=polo_o@82-69-160-166.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 17.44.10 Join stupid_ro [0] (n=at@60-240-208-6.tpgi.com.au) 17.48.05 Join rooomish [0] (n=Roman@195.47.96.56.adsl.nextra.cz) 17.48.08 # amiconn: would the new crossfadesettings be like this? http://www.stud.uni-goettingen.de/~s291827/test/Crossfade.jpg 17.48.16 Quit rooomish (Client Quit) 17.49.06 # yes that's what I've been thinking of 17.49.51 Join Philip [0] (n=Philip_0@user-6360.lns1-c7.dsl.pol.co.uk) 17.50.40 # The offset could also allowed to be negative, this would mean both tracls would be playing at full volume during this time 17.52.44 # Setting all 3 times to the same value would resemble a 'clasic' crossfade, offset == 0 would resemble mix mode 17.53.13 # in my opinion it would be easier if the user would be able to set the overlap (only positive values) instead of the crossfade_offset 17.53.36 # Hmm, perhaps 17.53.46 # The final result would be the same 17.54.27 # i think setting the overlap is more intuitive 17.54.44 # (fir me at least) 17.54.48 # Then overlap == fade_in == fade_out would be the classic crossfade, and overlap == fade_in + fade_out would be mix mode 17.54.59 Join bobwise [0] (n=45dda986@labb.contactor.se) 17.55.11 Quit bobwise (Client Quit) 17.55.42 # ...and the overlap would be directly connected to the crossfade buffer length 17.55.47 Join bobwise [0] (n=45dda986@labb.contactor.se) 17.56.39 # Doesn't sound bad, imho 18.02.33 Quit cannard (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.02.33 Nick stupid_ro is now known as cannard (n=at@60-240-208-6.tpgi.com.au) 18.06.25 Quit bobwise ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.18.40 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.18.58 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@shahassociates.plus.com) 18.23.57 Part leftright 18.24.45 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 18.27.39 Part Nibbler ("Leaving") 18.32.04 Join Drumrboy320 [0] (n=465611e2@labb.contactor.se) 18.33.57 Join webguest35 [0] (n=465611e2@labb.contactor.se) 18.36.17 # TiMiD: you around mate? 18.37.21 Quit Drumrboy320 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.39.15 Quit webguest35 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.51.33 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A85ACA.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.54.11 # Febs: you here? 18.54.19 # Yes. 18.57.40 Part Polo_o 18.58.14 Quit edx () 18.58.24 Nick Lynx_ is now known as Lynx_awy (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 18.58.39 # Febs: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.iriver to test playback speed thing 19.02.56 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: the broken wps for the player where also gone if the new wps-file-loader would be commited ;) 19.07.48 # preglow, loading it now. 19.09.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.11.02 # and...? 19.11.38 # preglow: What's new with the playback speed? 19.11.47 # linuxstb: i tried enabling it for h300 19.11.54 # linuxstb: couldn't exactly remember what defines were needed, heh 19.12.18 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-27.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.13.13 # preglow: Why no just check your playback speed commit for H1x0? 19.13.39 # i think i did, but i'm not a master of cvs usage 19.13.43 # so might have missed something 19.13.56 # did i crash febs' pc or what? :) 19.14.00 # The daily changes pages are very handy for doing this 19.14.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20051129.html 19.14.11 # amiconn: well, there you go, i didn't know they existed 19.14.33 # Daily builds page -> Source -> Older 19.14.38 # i have most definitely forgot the playback.c/h ones 19.14.39 # Goes back up to 30 days 19.15.23 # Sorry, someone walked into my office! Testing it now ... 19.16.20 # markun: Do you have some test files with 'exotic' unicode names, or an utf-8 text file, complete with a screenshot how it should look like? 19.16.29 # what kind of job do you have Febs 19.16.42 # Lawyer. 19.17.03 # preglow, what is the key combination? PLAY and +/-? 19.17.10 # Febs: aye 19.17.15 # Febs: play + up/down 19.18.53 # Doesn't appear to have any effect. 19.19.02 # Febs: you don't get a screen or anything? 19.19.21 # Nope. 19.19.25 # What kind of lawyer? Criminal? So you can defend me? 19.19.27 # when it works, you should get a screen 19.19.28 # I'm trying this from the WPS? 19.19.41 # Soul-E, no civil litigation. I stay as far away from criminal work as possible. 19.19.56 # hehe 19.20.42 # preglow, just double-checking, the rockbox.iriver file was the only file that I needed to load? 19.21.20 # Soul-E, I'm also a working musician. 19.21.24 # Febs: yeah 19.21.59 # does anyone know the cappacity of the battery in the H3xx is in mAh?? 19.22.25 # Febs: i've found a mistake 19.22.38 # Philip, 1300maH 19.22.43 # thanks 19.24.19 # Febs: same file again 19.24.22 # Febs: make sure it's not cached 19.25.35 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=paulthen@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 19.26.00 # Trying to download it now. Your server is timing out on me. 19.26.02 # Does anyone else here randomly wake up in the middle of the night with solutions to problems they haven't been asked to solve? 19.26.14 # paul: yes 19.26.17 # weird 19.26.24 # it answers ping here 19.26.39 # Could be a routing issue of some sort. 19.26.56 # I just remembered waking up in the middle of the night with this idea of how to restructure a friend's webpage to make it standards compliant with the newest XHTML without breaking functionality. 19.27.23 # OK, downloading now. 19.27.45 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 19.29.58 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-137.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.30.14 Quit Philip ("bye everybody") 19.31.31 # preglow, same result. PLAY + up/down has no effect. 19.31.54 # sHIT 19.32.32 # can't one press play and other buttons at the same time on h300 or what? 19.32.58 Nick Vlad0man is now known as Vladoman (n=Vladoman@p54A7D3AB.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.33.29 # Febs: excuse me for wasting your time 19.33.34 # Febs: stand by 19.34.30 # preglow: Pressing PLAY+ other on H3x0 should work 19.34.33 # i know 19.34.38 # i'm just being a fucking moron 19.35.00 # an all too familiar scenario of late 19.35.13 # FWIW, pressing PLAY + up/down in the file browser properly pages up/down. 19.35.19 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-233-61.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 19.35.40 # Febs: same thing again, if it doesn't work now, i'll do something drastic 19.36.07 # Stand by. 19.39.40 # if i ever need a lawyer, i hope i catch him playing with a h300 when i enter 19.39.49 # listening to music at an insane pitch 19.40.53 # lol. 19.43.10 # Success. 19.43.15 # hooray for me! 19.43.30 # bloody getting a set of defines working, now there's a day's work 19.48.01 # * Febs is listening to a *really* fast version of March of the Toys. 19.48.49 # amiconn: I will make you some tests. 19.48.58 # just out for smoke, then i'll commit and try to do some ipod work 19.49.03 # One thing you can try is some the translations. 19.49.56 # You will have to go to apps/lang and use utf8gen.sh to make the utf-8 language files 19.50.09 # Do you have a unicode font? 19.51.32 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h73n11c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.52.56 # what kind of musician Febs 19.53.26 # markun: No 19.55.04 # For all files prefix http://130.89.160.166/rockbox 19.55.14 # Soul-E, I run a 17-piece jazz big band. I also work for a local professional theatre, so I a lot of different styles. 19.55.21 # fonts are: unicode-fonts.zip and unifont.bdf 19.55.38 # (I play guitar and bass.) 19.55.39 # cool 19.55.40 # unicode.txt should look like unicode.jpg 19.56.13 # arabic-bbc.txt should look like arabic-bbc.png (only works with unifont) 19.57.15 Nick Febs is now known as Febs_out_to_lunc (n=medifebb@64.190.36.240) 19.58.21 # franken.bdf is a combined font of 12x13ja.bdf and 6x13.bdf 19.59.05 # works with the korean and japanese language files (which are not included in the patch) 19.59.20 # wikipedia is a good source to get unicode strings btw 20.04.49 Join IRCMonkey_ [0] (n=chatzill@p548CDFCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.05.33 Nick IRCMonkey_ is now known as PcHeRo (n=chatzill@p548CDFCB.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.09.01 # Grumble... make for a sim doesn't do make tools by itself... 20.09.13 # Wait, maybe I forgot to configure... :) 20.09.18 # <_FireFly_> ;) 20.09.25 # hi 20.09.50 # anybody know how long it will take for the video plugin for h100? 20.10.34 # amiconn: any luck with the unicode build? 20.10.45 # * Paul_The_Nerd points to the channel topic. 20.11.46 Join leftright [0] (n=5087f1c0@labb.contactor.se) 20.12.46 # Lear: for the wiki, if "Track gain if shuffled" is deselected does replay gain revert to album mode ? 20.13.27 # deselected? If you mean selected, then yes, fall back to album gain (if available). 20.14.19 # sorry I meant if shuffle mode is deselected, does replay gain revrt to album / 20.15.30 # PcHeRo: See the topic. 20.15.57 # ok thx 20.16.24 Join hoffm23 [0] (n=chatzill@saturne.esial.uhp-nancy.fr) 20.16.31 # i hope people are aware the video plugin wont play divx... 20.16.38 # It won't? 20.16.50 # damn.. :) 20.16.53 # Yes, that's correct. 20.17.26 # thanks 20.23.25 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.23.51 Quit NicoFR (Client Quit) 20.24.39 Join MiLK [0] (i=X@modem-915.chimpanzee.dialup.pol.co.uk) 20.26.17 # Lear: if in "album" gain and no info is available does it use track gain value as a default ?, and... if in "Track" mode does it use album gain value as default ? 20.26.24 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 20.28.13 # Album falls back to track, track falls back to nothing (typical case is that you generate either track gain only, or album and track gain). 20.28.43 # ok 20.30.43 Quit webguest95 ("CGI:IRC") 20.35.00 # woop, gotta go 20.35.01 # later 20.39.21 # Wiki spam alarm! 20.39.33 Join webguest89 [0] (n=52e30123@labb.contactor.se) 20.39.43 # hello 20.40.46 # amiconn: TexNoel? 20.41.23 # yup 20.41.45 # Cluttered several user pages with hidden text 20.42.18 # Would it be possible to forbid hidden text in the wiki? 20.43.57 Join jlo [0] (n=jl@atm91-1-82-227-1-35.fbx.proxad.net) 20.44.32 Quit webguest89 (Client Quit) 20.45.12 # we reject his IP now 20.45.41 # I doubt it'll work for long but could give us some room for now 20.46.25 # hello guys 20.48.05 # to preglow, I just answered to you about crossfeed on the forum 20.48.42 # I hope that wiki spam alrm wasn't due to my editing the Replay Gain section, I was trying to add spaces to some text 20.48.43 # 213.184.238.51 20.48.55 # leftright: indeed not 20.49.15 # leftright: unless you added 25 hidden URLs in several pages 20.49.36 # :-) 20.49.37 Quit leftright ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.49.41 # jlo: If I sayd I made a shelving low-pass then I was wrong (but I think I didn't say that) 20.49.51 Join leftright [0] (n=5087f1c0@labb.contactor.se) 20.52.46 # preglow : no you said lowpass, but maybe I don't understand how it exactly works : for me you add the whole signal (allpass) with a negative highpass, that gives lowpass no? 20.53.19 # are you talking to me or preglow? 20.54.25 # sorry, I just spoke with preglow but you are welcome !!! 20.55.47 # in fact Markun I was talking to you ! 20.58.49 Part hoffm23 20.58.59 # he negative value made it a very inefficient high-pass. 20.59.09 # +T 20.59.58 # markun: I tried 'make zip' with unicode5.patch 21.00.08 # The patched convbdf segfaults... 21.00.22 # jlo: try to compile rockbox. It's not very difficult to change the values of the crossfeed. 21.00.33 # amiconn: That is very strange. A lof of people have been using it.. 21.02.16 # It always happens with the same one font: 00-Starmap_r400-8.bdf 21.02.28 # All others are converted 21.02.57 # did you test it without this font then? And also with the unicode fonts? 21.03.21 # markun : yes that what I should do but I wanted to change the place of the delay (to delay whole crosfeed signal not only high frequencies) and that's not so easy (I just looked at the dsp.c, registers are rare) 21.03.34 # Hm, 00-Starmap_r400-8.fnt has a size of 0 here.. 21.03.56 # yes, here too 21.04.31 # The zip gets built, so it doesn't stop me from testing, but of course convbdf shouldn't segfault 21.04.35 # jlo: change the C code, not the assembly code. btw, it's the low freqs that get delayed. 21.05.00 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 21.05.52 # jlo: what exactly are you trying to do? Delay the whole sound by 13 samples? That wouldn't be a natural crossfeed. 21.06.49 # maybe you should just try out your idea and make a patch if you think it sounds better 21.06.50 # markun : yes I was wrong it's low freq, I wonder why you haven't delayed all freqs 21.07.45 # I would also think delaying all frequencies by a constant time would be natural 21.08.12 # would 13 samples even be detectable by human ears? 21.08.12 Join solexx___ [0] (n=jrschulz@d009241.adsl.hansenet.de) 21.08.24 # markun : no the 13 samples that Preglow mentionned is just to compensate dsp calculation in one branch 21.08.39 # The speed of sound is practically constant across the audible frequency range 21.08.51 # jlo: I wrote the code, so I'm pretty sure why I added the 13 sample delay :) 21.09.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.09.57 # The theory is that your head blocks (some of) the high frequencies from the speaker on the other side of your head. 21.10.21 # 13 samples is impossible to hear, but it just gives some "peigne" filtering (in french !) when added to a non delayed signal 21.11.03 # It is just an approximation, but I did some listening tests and preglow too and we settled for these values. 21.11.28 # Then I would think the cross-feed of these higher frequencies need to be attenuated (more) than for the lower frequencies, but the delay should remain constant 21.11.56 # I made the values ajustable in my own player and the sound was very different when I changed the delay. It changed the direction where the sound came from.. 21.12.03 # yes the head gives a delay of about 350 ms from signal coming from a speaker thats opposite and some high frequency attenuation 21.12.22 # amiconn: That's exactly what I am doing I think 21.12.47 # jlo: are you sure it's that big? 21.12.58 # jlo: 350 ms?? Should this read 0.35 ms 21.13.02 # markun : no you delayed only low frequencies 21.13.11 # I read it was 0.3ms 21.13.17 # 300 mu-s 21.13.43 # markun : yes 350 microseconds (0.35 milliseconds) 21.14.05 # whomany samples in a 44100Hz signal would that be? 21.14.12 # howmany.. 21.14.18 # A question for you techies... Does S-ATA disks require some additional drivers to get optimal performance on Windows? 21.14.19 Join yngwi [0] (n=chatzill@chello080109107064.1.15.vie.surfer.at) 21.14.59 # <_FireFly_> dwihno: not the disk but the host afaik 21.15.06 # For 0.35ms I get 15 samples. 21.16.24 # jlo: maybe we should stop talking about the theory and you should just implement it how you think it is right. 21.16.38 # markun 441OO*0.00035 = 15 or 16 samples 21.16.56 # _FireFly_: so there's a possibility my disks just are running in some kind of compatible mode? 21.17.32 Quit PcHeRo ("ChatZilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.0.6/20050717]") 21.17.36 # jlo: And 44100*0.0003 = 13 samples, so that's why I did the delay 21.17.55 # markun : you are right, but I would like to have the same delay on all frequencies 21.17.59 Join Cassandra [0] (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 21.18.31 # <_FireFly_> the disks do nothing only the host-chip, to which the disks are connected could be run in a slower mode because maybe the standard windows-driver didn't support the controller complete 21.18.58 # jlo: just remove the low-pass filter then 21.19.28 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@69.80-202-102.nextgentel.com) 21.19.35 # _FireFly_: are there any ways to check what mode the disks are currently operating under? 21.19.59 # I don't know what kind of delay the 1 pole low-pass filter adds. Don't know much about filters. 21.20.16 # markun : no there must be a delay but also a filter (high freq are more attenuated by the head) 21.20.38 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.20.51 # <_FireFly_> dwihno: i don't know but generally it isn't a bad idea to use the driver from the manufacturer of the controller/mainboard 21.21.38 # markun : the delay of the DSP filter calculation, I don't know but I'm quite sure that it takes some samples 21.22.38 # dwihno: I know I needed to install a driver from within windows for full stability at least (the one during install wasn't enough). 21.23.07 # jlo: We both know how it should be implemented, only I don't know enough about filters to do it right. So please try it with the right filters and then we can listen to the results. 21.23.14 # <_FireFly_> and at least not all new controller are natively supported from windows 21.24.08 # I'll check for a driver then 21.24.20 # markun: Hmm, it seems the uncode text files aren't displayed properly 21.24.27 # (I use unifont) 21.24.55 # Does the viewer interpet the text as iso8859-1? 21.25.02 # amiconn: that's true. The changes to the viewer are not finished. 21.25.22 # If you revert to the unpatched viewer it will interpret the text as utf-8 21.26.00 # We need to add codepage selection in a menu to the viewer. Most of the code is in it already. 21.26.15 # markun : Preglow posted on the forum that maybe he 'll try to change the implementation After I can modify the values compile and try. I'll keep you informed 21.26.39 # ok, thanks 21.27.46 # markun: Hmm, now I installed the unpatched viewer. It works unless the viewer applies line breaks 21.28.09 # yes, that was fixed in the patched viewer :) 21.28.15 # (switched to wide view in order to avoid this) 21.28.23 # Shall I change the patched viewer to default to UTF-8? 21.28.26 # for now 21.28.29 # comparing to your screenshot... 21.29.01 # amiconn: did you try some language files? greek, russian.. 21.30.30 # No, not yet 21.30.48 # arabic-bbc.txt looks quite different from your screen shot 21.31.07 # Hm, that's not good. Can you make a screenshot? 21.31.22 # Maybe it's not joined.. 21.31.39 # Lear: I'll follow your lead and install some chipset drivers, let's see what happens then., 21.31.43 # did you try unicode6.diff.gz? 21.32.20 # This is unicode6.diff, minus the viewer 21.32.30 # weird 21.32.59 # The begining looks like Firefox displays arabic-bbc.txt 21.33.36 # Scrolling right in the viewer seems to have weird effects 21.33.59 # markun, I found something (that you might have seen) on crossfeed. http://www.blackwidowaudio.com/index.htm 21.34.18 # Go to articles, and click on "natural crossfeed" 21.35.57 # * Cassandra considers submitting some Rockbox feature requests. 21.36.06 # I think we should have Quicktime support. 21.36.11 # And VRML. 21.36.12 # And AI. 21.36.18 # and touch screen 21.36.32 # Good point. 21.36.32 # oh, that one was already submitted ;-) 21.36.44 # * Bagder recalls the days of tracktheripper 21.36.47 # markun: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/arabic-bbc-topleft-wide-view.png 21.37.04 # I do love the Morse support though. That's wonderfully silly. 21.37.09 # Bagder: The latest compressed.patch seems to work as intended 21.37.15 # neato 21.37.25 # amiconn: yes, scrolling right doesn't work reliably in the old viewer. 21.37.27 # I'm currently running a compressed .ajz of the unicode patch 21.37.39 # amiconn: I leave it to you to commit or adjust as you see fit, to match your work 21.37.59 # Cassandra: How 'bout a true text to speech engine with multilanguage support? Hehehe. 21.38.02 # I'd say commit it as-is 21.38.08 # ok 21.38.08 # amiconn: another thing is that the text is RTL, but looks strange because it's left aligned 21.38.13 # I'll do it 21.38.29 # What I really can't understand is why we don't have an emacs plugin yet. 21.38.53 # Oh yeah, and Linux compatibility. 21.39.20 # Cassandra: Ehm, because we don't have 8 megabytes of RAM (not on all targets at least) 21.39.30 # I want to be able to log in to my Jukebox over the headphone cord. 21.39.35 # (regarding emacs) 21.39.57 # Oh, and of course we don't have virtual memory support ;) 21.39.58 # By whistling 1200baud carrier. 21.40.09 # well, iRivers have at least 16MB ram, right? :) 21.40.18 # Surely that's not too much to ask? 21.40.20 # markun: it looks like the author of the article uses different delay's for different frequences. (in some way) 21.40.51 # markun: Firefox also shows the text left aligned. 21.40.52 # tucoz: I give up, let jlo do it :) 21.41.11 # But you're right, the viewer will have to support bidi properly 21.41.19 # markun: fair enough. I like it though. Makes the 60's listenable again. 21.41.43 # tucoz : this article is interesting but misses something, the comb filter effect is valid for sinus measurements but first we have a delay on music and secondly the crossfeed is attenuated so the comb effect is much less 21.41.55 # * Cassandra doesn't really mind weird stereo recordings. 21.42.19 # Cassandra: hehe, 1200 baud afsk would be probably easy to use but i don't see currently very much of use for that =) 21.42.27 # Although there's a bit in "Mr. and Mrs. Mickey Mouse" by the Bonzo Dog Band that always makes me think my headphones are broken. 21.42.38 # It's in mono on the right channel. 21.42.43 # *do 21.43.02 # jlo: It seems like you know this. Hope you get something out of your tests :) 21.43.17 # * tucoz knows next to nothing on filters 21.43.22 # Slasheri, so you can run a web server via IP over avine carrier, of course. 21.43.45 # Cassandra :P or attach iriver directly to some packet radio systems ;) 21.44.02 # Erm, avian 21.44.11 # without the need for computer as terminal :) and then you could type with morse.. haha :D 21.44.53 # * Cassandra is working on a super secret Rockbox related project. 21.45.02 # If I told you about it, I'd have to kill you. 21.45.20 # nice :p 21.45.28 # I will ask how the hell you're supposed to copy strings in C++ though, which may provide a little clue. 21.45.33 # Slasheri: You could connect 2 irivers (line in - line out and vice versa) and play a two-player game plugin... 21.45.39 # has TiMiD commited my WPS? 21.46.15 # amiconn: yep.. then we should probably have some communication protocol driver 21.46.23 # Cassandra, string s = "aaa"; string b = a ? 21.46.28 # amiconn: but do you think that would be really useful? 21.46.30 # amiconn, you scare me. That would actually be no less stupid/cool than the Morse support. 21.46.50 # markun: Do you have an idea what's wrong (or not) with arabic-bbc? In fact my recorder shows the beginning exactly as Firefox, apart from font differences and a missing dot at the beginning of the second line 21.46.55 # tucoz, you'd think, yes. 21.47.02 # hehe, that went wrong. string s = "aaa"; string b = s; 21.47.10 # I hadn't thought of two-player games as a use for that. All I'd thought was some crazy scheme to integrate a rockbox equipped player as a peripheral for a PC in some way. 21.47.26 # Cassandra: Imho morse support can be useful, not only for those who already know it 21.47.27 # Cassandra: using the STL string library? or char* for string? 21.47.37 # amiconn: yes, the problem is that the viewer expects every byte to be a char and can just start in the middle of a UTF-8 encoded char 21.47.51 # that works if you use stl at least. 21.48.00 # With line in/out, could you potentially set up some sort of token ring networking method, building off of that? Just, as crazy ideas go? 21.48.08 # I just tried to input a few letters, and I'm fairly sure this is way faster than the standard vkeyboard with only a little practice 21.48.44 # amiconn, That's why I like the Morse patch. It's a lovely piece of lateral thinking. It really makes sense as an input mechanism for MP3 players. 21.48.59 Quit MiLK () 21.49.12 # tucoz, it's causing my program to dump core. 21.49.43 # (technically the two strings are type wxString, but you get the idea.) 21.49.51 # Oooh, another hint there. 21.49.53 # really? weird. I do that all the time. 21.50.15 # markun: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/arabic-bbc-firefox.png 21.51.17 # Hmm. I wonder if my global class is getting initialised properly. 21.51.30 # amiconn: yes, that's how it looks like in my firefox as well 21.52.00 # For what it's worth, it looks like that here too. 21.52.05 # Oh, hold on. Is = calling the constructor? 21.52.22 # That could get messy if the string's already initialised. 21.52.49 # (You know, I thought C++ was supposed to make dynamic allocation easier, not more of a pain in the arse.) 21.52.50 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: it shouldn't 21.52.58 # Cassandra: Beware, C++ may cause headaches ;) 21.53.17 # Cassandra: only when you declare it. 21.53.17 # <_FireFly_> wxString only overloads the '='-operator 21.53.41 # amiconn, Oh yes. I've been a C purist until now, but if you want to write wxWindows, it's pretty much gotta be in C++. 21.53.48 # Cassandra, the stl is fairly good documented at http://www.roguewave.com/support/docs/sourcepro/stdlibref/booktoc.html and http://www.roguewave.com/support/docs/sourcepro/stdlibref/functoc.html 21.54.17 # wxString isn't STL... 21.54.25 Join matsl [0] (n=user@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.55.06 # Lear, I know. :) 21.56.11 # Hmm. If I use a dummy wxString from the same routine, it doesn't coredump. 21.56.12 # Lear: seems like the intel inf update already has installed the suitable driver. 21.56.23 # Lear: Then it's just me wanting more performance ;) 21.56.37 # Looks like the fact I'm trying to copy into a global class is causing the problem. 21.57.12 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: do you mean a global object of a class don't you ;) 21.57.20 # Cassandra: still, a simple assign should work. Maybe you're doing something that messes up the wxString storage? 21.57.27 # _FireFly_, an instance, yes. 21.57.50 # The fact that it is gobal probably increases the chances for that... 21.59.30 # Hmmm. Maybe my instance isn't getting initialised. 22.01.08 # ...and this has to do with rockbox? My guess is a cross-platform patcher? or maybe simulator... 22.01.44 # <_FireFly_> tucoz: we have already a sim ;) 22.01.47 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 22.01.49 # markun: I tried some language files now. German works, russian too. Greek doesn't show some menu items at all 22.01.52 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-054.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.02.07 # _FireFly_, yes, but that is not the same for win and linux 22.02.24 # <_FireFly_> afaik only the gui is different ;) 22.02.43 # ...and we need a smaller full-unicode font :/ 22.02.43 # Yes, then a crossplatform gui would be nice, and easier to maintain. 22.02.54 # unifont is huge on the recorder lcd 22.03.45 # and by using something like wxwindows I believe that is doable. Same drawing code for windows and linux. 22.03.55 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.05.03 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.68.5.1 [Firefox 1.5/undefined]") 22.05.12 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.31 # markun: Oh, the strings in the button bar (recorders) aren't centered properly if they contain utf-8 chars (e.g. "Menü" for F1 in german) 22.06.02 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.09.23 # I would like to bump the .lng file version with the utf-8 transition, and cleanup all deprecated strings 22.10.16 # Damn - if I initialise the config structure, then trying to create a new instance of an element whose pointer is stored in the structure causes a segfault. 22.10.30 # I hate C++. Even describing it makes my head ache. 22.10.43 # markun: Greek seems to be the only language that doesn't work properly 22.11.00 # Cassandra: hehe, that's nothing - wait until you see Symbian C++ ;D 22.12.02 Join muesli_- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc1fc.b.pppool.de) 22.12.26 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: what about the currently "missing" remote-settings ?? 22.13.30 # jo 22.13.54 # I'm allowed to have pointers in my instance of my global class aren't I? 22.14.21 Quit Nixsos () 22.17.30 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: yepp but are you sure that the pointers holds a address to a valid object ?? 22.18.12 # why use a pointer rather than a reference? 22.18.36 Join Midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.18.51 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.20.26 # Erm, well the line where I'm crashing is supposed to be initialising the pointer as in gv->pwxThingummy = new wxThingummy(parms); 22.20.32 # Aren't they, in the end, the exact same thing anyway? (I mean, one you have to dereference, but yeah...) 22.21.12 # Paul_The_Nerd: references can't be NULLed as far as i remember, and you use pointers with dynamic memory allocation 22.21.42 # Ah. So then what's the advantage of a reference? 22.21.49 # pwxThingummy is public? 22.21.54 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.22.00 # gv is. 22.22.17 # Ah, hold on, I spot a flaw. 22.22.31 # gv is just a pointer. 22.22.52 # Cassandra: Are you sure you need to use that much C++? I've only played a little with wxwindows, but I managed to get quite far using C for everything apart from the GUI widgets themselves. 22.22.59 # It's being initialised in my init routine, but presumably once the init exits the object it points to is being destroyed. 22.23.09 Join webguest49 [0] (n=864c0349@labb.contactor.se) 22.23.28 # Can I use GV* gv = new GV(); in a global context? 22.23.37 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.23.43 # The 'fun' of behind-the-scenes memory management... 22.24.10 # C++ - it sucks. 22.24.48 # I tried to work around that bu using a malloc(), but a malloc doesn't initialise the elements within the structure, of course. 22.25.04 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m79.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.25.04 Quit jlo () 22.25.11 # Wow, at least I definitively understand what was going wrong, even if I have no clue how to fix it. 22.25.16 # does calloc? 22.26.14 Quit dpassen1 () 22.26.34 # Ah, the answer appears to be yes, you can use new in a declaration of global scope. 22.26.48 # Which is nice. 22.27.05 # why would you use malloc in c++ 22.27.23 # because it worked and new didn't? 22.27.52 # (because I wasn't using new in a global context, as it turned out.) 22.28.16 # * Cassandra is a lazy programmer. I code around damage rather than trying to fix it. 22.28.21 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: you should avoid mixing malloc/new free/delete 22.28.26 # I see, well I thought new and delete were instead of malloc and free 22.28.31 # I find it's a good way to learn what works and what doesn't. 22.29.11 # _FireFly_, I see why now. However, it's nice to be aware when you can do it safely. 22.29.38 # (Try to avoid using malloc on class instances is the basic idea.) 22.30.25 # <_FireFly_> i would say generelly avoid malloc/free in c++-code ;) 22.31.24 # i'd say stay away from new and delete to if possible 22.31.41 # <_FireFly_> matsl: why ?? 22.32.00 # Cassandra, http://www.codeproject.com/tips/newandmalloc.asp :) 22.32.04 # <_FireFly_> matsl: forget my question ;) 22.32.17 # funny title 22.32.23 # _FireFly_: what? ;-) 22.33.12 # Hmmm, now why isn't pwxStr->Format("stuff"); causing pwxStr to point to a string that says "stuff"? 22.35.55 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.35.59 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: why not simply use the << operator 22.36.26 Quit Midgey34 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.36.58 # Erm, because I have no real understanding of it. 22.37.07 # <_FireFly_> and Cassandra the Format-fn returns a wxString 22.37.11 # <_FireFly_> http://www.wxwidgets.org/manuals/2.4.2/wx368.htm#wxstringformat 22.37.17 # I've realised why is isn't working. 22.37.21 # Yeah, that reason. 22.37.22 # <_FireFly_> because this function is a class methode 22.39.35 # * Cassandra goes and looks up << 22.39.58 # amiconn: I'll look into the centering problem 22.40.22 # Oh, that's pretty simple. 22.40.29 # <_FireFly_> ;) 22.41.05 # markun: Probably just another place that needs to use lcd_getstringsize() instead of strlen() 22.41.20 # <_FireFly_> Cassandra: this operator adds the given values to the string 22.41.24 # <_FireFly_> afaik to the end 22.41.36 # Greek used to work, don't know what broke it 22.41.54 # Do you get the problem on iriver as well? 22.42.08 # yes 22.42.34 # I'll try player... 22.44.53 Join Midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.45.00 # -rw-r--r-- 1 karl karl 13310 Dec 5 22:44 greek-utf8.lng 22.45.03 # it's too big 22.45.22 # The limit is 13000 bytes 22.45.38 # Shall I change it to 13500 or a bit more? 22.45.59 # Hmm, but why doesn't rockbox complain, or refused to load it 22.46.01 # ? 22.46.23 Join muesli- [0] (i=muesli_t@Bc12e.b.pppool.de) 22.46.30 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: maybe it loads only the first 13000 bytes 22.46.36 # <_FireFly_> of the file 22.46.44 # I don't know. It doesn't show the "new language" string like the other files do 22.46.52 # Hmm. 22.47.23 # I think 14000 bytes would be better (although the cleanup will save some space) 22.47.29 # * Cassandra grins. 22.47.34 # Oh good. It's working. 22.47.43 # Soon the world will be mine! All mine! 22.48.11 # so evil to take over the world.. 22.48.29 # I did it once, for a giggle. 22.48.44 # Cassandra: Take over the world ? With C++ ??? 22.49.18 # Bagder: The simulater build gives me this: gmake[1]: *** No rule to make target `@gmake'. Stop. 22.49.32 # What should I change? 22.54.04 # markun: The player credits scroller is another place that isn't properly adjusted to utf-8 22.54.36 # amiconn: I wish I could build the simulator.. 22.54.47 # When an utf-8 char is scrolled out to the left, it turns into a ? for a short time 22.55.48 # markun: odd, lemme check 22.56.44 # Bagder: I use 'gmake' because the FreeBSD 'make' doesn't like the Makefile at all 22.57.01 # yes, we need gnu make 22.57.35 # markun: does the makefile look sensible? 22.57.48 # it sounds as if the sed still doesn't do right 22.57.53 # F***ing windows and it's f*** stupid file permissions. 22.59.15 # Hmm, anyone know how to persuade windows that no, no-one really is using that file. It just crashed. 22.59.35 # Is it one of those "The file is currently in use, so you can NEVER USE IT AGAIN" things? 23.00.11 # Yup. 23.00.30 # I suspect I may have to reboot to persuade Windows it really isn't being used. 23.00.42 # Bloody stupid excuse for an OS> 23.01.23 # But isn't there a process using it? Soudns strange that you get that error if it isn't being used at all. 23.01.50 # sometimes just logging that user on and off helps 23.01.54 # Rebooting doesn't always work 23.02.04 # But it is often hard to find out which process that is by looking at the process list. 23.02.08 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.02.11 # Sometimes the file gets locked in some obscure way that requires deleting it before the OS finished loading. There's even specialized tools for it. 23.02.21 # hehe, nice :) 23.02.29 # Yeah 23.02.47 # I have an entry in my context menu "delete on reboot" for just such things now, I've gotten so tired of it. 23.03.06 # tools not from MS I suppose 23.03.11 # Naah 23.03.31 # Where are these tools. 23.03.41 # I know it's not in use. I was the only one using it. 23.04.00 # The problem is it crashed, so Windows still thinks it's open. 23.04.08 # This never happens in Unix. 23.04.15 # Cassandra, and the process is not in the list? 23.04.19 # If I *recall* this is the shell extension I used. http://www.snapfiles.com/get/removereboot.html 23.04.21 # so that you can kill it? 23.04.27 # (Except perhaps with automounters, but we don't talk about automounters.) 23.04.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: That never happened to me so far. 23.04.31 # tucoz: Files can get locked without a process actively using them. 23.04.36 # I already killed the process. 23.04.56 # Well, sometimes I did get locked files for no obvious reasons. Most of the time this is caused by the windows explorer 23.04.57 # Oh, I see. Didn't know that. Not that often in windows nowadays 23.04.59 # amiconn: I've had it happen about 8 or 9 times so far, in various ways. 23.05.14 # And in almost all cases I haven't been able to unlock them. 23.05.29 # The windows explorer may get confused if a file isn't really what it expects it to be. 23.06.04 # like a .doc named as .mp3? 23.06.05 # A reliable way is trying to check the properties of a 0 byte .wav file 23.06.30 # I see. Interesting. 23.06.35 # There's a relatively simple method to remove such files 23.06.41 # amiconn: I think I found the problem with greek. The check in language.c is now if(filesize != MAX_LANGUAGE_SIZE) { 23.06.44 # hint: get a better filemanager than exploder 23.06.50 # probably should be < 23.07.02 # I use mc in windows 23.07.16 # Call the task manager, kill all (!) explorer.exe processes, then restart one explorer.exe to get the shell back 23.07.42 # Do *not* open an explorer in that dir, start a cmd shell instead, and delete the file from there 23.07.54 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: afaik if the last explorer process gets killed a new one is automatically started 23.08.10 # amiconn, not that simple, and not that nice :) 23.08.32 # _FireFly_: Not here, but that wouldn't matter in this case. YOu will want your shell back anyway 23.08.36 # but if it works, nice tip. 23.09.29 # I can kill all explorer.exe tasks, and end up with an empty desktop (as long as no other programs are running) without taskbar, start button etc 23.09.40 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 23.09.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.09.53 # markun: u there? 23.10.00 # amiconn: Which windows are you? 23.10.03 # LinusN: yes 23.10.07 # WinXP SP2 23.10.07 # <_FireFly_> yeah the desktop depends on explorer.exe 23.10.09 # (german) 23.10.25 # i think the crossfeed setting should be in the Sound settings menu 23.10.35 # Odd 23.10.37 # me too 23.10.41 # So what do you do with an empty desktop? 23.10.52 # markun: i suggest you move it 23.10.56 # I think the crossfeed setting should be implemented properly so we can use it for stereo width. 23.11.18 # I know my XP has behaved both ways, though I can't recall when the behaviour changed from reloading explorer automatically to not, or vice versa (can't remember which it does now.) Probably a difference between home and pro, or something 23.11.27 # Shame I know bugger all about sound processing, really. 23.11.33 # markun: any chance of adjusting the filter to get rid of the attenuation? 23.11.36 # Cassandra: you want the delay and filters to be configurable? 23.12.06 # Win2k/XP/2003 don't reload exploder automatically if it crashes, while 9x/ME do 23.12.11 # LinusN: jlo and preglow will take a look at the some other filters I think 23.12.12 # Maybe it depends on the setting whether to start folder windows in a new process (dunno how that's called exactly in english windows) 23.12.20 # ender' Some form of XP does. 23.12.32 # really? never seen one? 23.12.39 # s/\?/./ 23.13.04 # markun, more that I'd like consistency with the Archos port. 23.13.07 # Yeah, my laptop was doing it in XP for a while. 23.13.16 # tucoz: You can always use ctrl-alt-del to bring up the task manager, and start a new explorer.exe from there 23.13.29 # task manager = Ctrl+Shift+Esc 23.13.32 # As someone noted here a few days ago, the build table lists 34 builds but it says 35 builds underneath it? What is the 35'th build? 23.13.46 # amiconn, ah, of course. :) 23.13.47 # ctrl+alt+del = windows security dialog (at least on machines that are in a domain) 23.14.03 # tucoz: a virus! 23.14.08 # cool 23.14.11 # Yes, and there is a button for starting the task manager 23.14.15 # the rockbox virus 23.14.19 # amicon: KIlling explorer seems to have done the trick, thanks. 23.14.27 # btw, how do i have to set up the crossfade settings if i just want to mix 3 seconds of the songs? 23.14.46 # For machines not in a domain which use the XP welcome screen, ctrl-alt-del starts the task manager directly 23.15.00 # yeah, that's annoying 23.15.06 # tucoz: i don't know what the 35th build is 23.15.28 # Unless you have to turn the welcome screen off, say for fingerprint recognition to work, to pick a totally non-arbitrary example. 23.15.52 # anyway, Ctrl+Shift+Esc is always task manager 23.15.53 # LinusN, no biggie. It probably makes the build time for each target a few seconds lower than it actually is. Fake statistics is always good :) 23.16.08 # lol 23.16.11 # Yes, then you'll get the security dialog the same way as for machines that are in a domain 23.16.34 # ender`: Thanks for the tip 23.17.01 # want another? Win+Pause = system properties :) 23.17.10 # I know some 23.17.20 # Win+L, the most useful 23.17.25 # yup 23.18.10 # btw, didn't you need a H120 scan with rockbox logo on it? 23.18.17 # wow, I thought that the win button could only bring up the start-menu. Is it actually used for something else as well. 23.18.35 Join chopped_pork [0] (n=solid@pc176-194.ghnet.pl) 23.19.58 # hehe 23.20.11 # * tucoz just read what win+l does 23.21.17 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.21.39 # Does the right-click-thingy-button do anything useful? 23.22.25 # Win + D is incredibly useful. Go on - try it. 23.22.28 # ender`: That scan should replace the current one in the device comparison chart 23.22.54 # Cassandra: No use for me 23.23.05 # Cassandra: Somehow, that sounds like something I *shouldn't* do. 23.23.20 # it's just show the desktop shortcut 23.23.22 # It's just 'minimise all windows' 23.23.29 # same as right-click the taskbar->Show desktop 23.23.43 # (use it again to restore the windows) 23.23.44 # Cassandra, that is actually good 23.23.45 # No need for this 23.24.11 # * amiconn has no single icon on the desktop except the trashcan 23.24.12 # Yeah. I wasn't being sarcastic, for once. 23.24.25 # Me neither. 23.24.33 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 23.24.35 Quit Kohlriba ("Leaving") 23.24.37 # Although I cheat. I use Objectdock. 23.25.02 # I just use that quick launch bar for often used programs 23.25.23 # * ender` prefers the side button on his mouse + scrollwheel for switching the programs with mouse 23.25.27 # For all others I just use the start menu (or start->execute) 23.25.38 # you mean Win+R :) 23.25.41 # I used to do that, but it got so half my taskbar was taken up with tray icons and launch icons. 23.25.55 # I created a second taskbar and organized the programs I actually use in it, then got rid of every icon on the desktop, or hid them. 23.26.06 # * ender` has 37 icons in his quicklaunch bars 23.26.19 # * amiconn only has 6 23.26.20 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@58.77.81.144) 23.26.25 # So now it's common apps to the top. Start menu subcategories to the left, running tasks to the right, and taskbar icons top right. And all hidden unless I move the mouse towards them. 23.26.29 # you're not leet until you run your own litestep theme 23.26.33 # (2 rows + autohide + UltraMon taskbar for the 2nd monitor) 23.26.40 # I'm on the 13'th iteration of my theme now 23.26.45 # refined over 3 years 23.26.50 # it's perfect 23.26.59 Quit hshah ("Leaving") 23.27.05 # Besides, ObjectDock is cool, and does that shrinky growy MacOS X icon type thing. 23.27.06 # it's actually the one thing holding me back from switching to linux;) 23.27.19 # * ender` disliked OS X 23.27.19 # Good Morning~ 23.27.31 # * ender` dislikes eye candy 23.27.41 # eye candy is ok 23.27.47 # You're going to hate the new windows then. 23.27.56 # I'm actually watching ReactOS for it to finally say "Hey, I run all the programs you want to. So there." 23.27.56 # but only second to performance 23.27.57 # Eye candy is fine as long as it's functional. 23.28.07 # exactly Cassandra 23.28.17 # reactos has ugly shell 23.28.50 # I dont think the actual gui is the main focus;) 23.28.56 # they are still developing the os itself 23.29.11 # i hope so 23.29.28 # their filemanager looks like the Win3.1 File Manager 23.29.47 # Besides, presumably you can always run $WindowsAlternateShell anyway. 23.30.10 # ender' I use Windows XP with the shell set to that "ugly" gray theme anyway. 23.30.23 # I like the grey theme. 23.30.32 # I do too. ;-) 23.30.36 # thats nerd style ;) 23.30.38 # i use 2003 with themes disabled and colors set to nice dark green shade 23.31.23 # I'm still looking for a old tan tower for my desktop. Last time I needed a new one, the most basic looking one I could find was all black. The rest had lick... lighting inside, and windows and other crazy stuff. 23.31.23 Join bobwise [0] (n=45dda986@labb.contactor.se) 23.31.39 # I kinda like my computer to look as dull as possible, for some reason. 23.31.59 # http://ninjarape.net/shell1.png 23.32.01 # http://ninjarape.net/shell2.png 23.32.06 # my current desktop: http://deeperthought.ena.si/imgs/desktop12.jpg (note that i never use the icons there, but i'm too lazy to delete them) 23.32.07 # my beloved theme 23.32.15 # ack 23.32.19 # that is horrible ender` 23.32.31 # so many icons, and _green_ ? 23.32.39 # Scores points for having Xenosaga wallpaper though 23.33.01 # just finished ep1 on Saturday :) 23.33.19 # -_- 23.33.58 # I can't bring myself to finish Ep 2. I don't like it as much. I'll finish it once it gets closer to when 3 comes out 23.34.08 # also bought ep2 PAL, but i'm playing the downloaded NTSC version, because the movies look ugly in the PAL one (and it didn't let me import the ep1 data) 23.34.39 # Mine has cats on it. 23.34.45 # Like the rest of my house. 23.35.09 # you mean like this: http://deeperthought.ena.si/imgs/comp/mess4.jpg 23.35.50 # Yes, except I only have 1 monitor. 23.36.08 # (A Dell 24" widescreen jobbie. It's lovely.) 23.36.11 # I don't have a desktop wallpaper. 23.36.42 # ah hahaha 23.36.47 # me too 23.36.59 # * ender` is buying another 19" (or maybe larger) LCD next year 23.38.04 # dell 3007fpw!!! 23.38.12 # 2405. 23.38.34 # i wanted one of those, but i might wait for the 3007, base is much nicer 23.38.40 # * HCl has an 26" tft :) 23.38.44 # and its bloody'yuuuge! 23.38.55 # bye 23.38.56 # probably won't be widescreen though - i prefer my monitors 5:4 23.38.58 # * Paul_The_Nerd doesn't like LCD monitors. 23.38.59 # I go to school 23.39.06 # * HCl goes afk 23.39.07 Quit Jungti1234 ("bye") 23.39.17 # This is about as big as I can handle, given I have to sit 10cm from the monitor in order to be able to read it. 23.39.17 # There's always this quality to them, that doesn't look quite right to me. 23.39.35 # http://ninjarape.net/shell3.png 23.39.37 # widescreen rocks 23.39.49 # I'm using a 2005fpw from dell right now 23.39.52 # it's awsome 23.39.56 # MUCH better than two monitors 23.40.00 # I have a complex arrangement involving D clamps, and a triangular wood frame with a wall mount attachment screwed into it. 23.40.02 # i've got a 82cm widescreen TV, that's enough 23.40.04 # you dont have to deal with all the issues 23.40.22 # hmmm 23.40.22 # i don't want a widescreen monitor because the windows would be too wide (i always use all my programs maximized) 23.40.56 # after getting a widescreen I tend to multitask with windows _not_ maximized 23.41.08 # I used to have most windows maximized before too 23.41.09 # * Cassandra nods. Yup. Me too. 23.41.17 # but with a widescreen you have the space to keep them windomized 23.41.35 # 1920x1600 is just so spacious. ;) 23.41.36 Quit BBub (""Nonstop Belze." - www.sloganmaker.de") 23.41.50 # hehe 23.42.03 # But I should stop trying to inspire techlust. 23.42.09 # I went for a 20" widescreen 23.42.18 # i dislike high resolutions, too - there's just too many problems with Windows when you use Large Fonts (and i don't want to sit 10cm away from the monitor to be able to read the text) 23.42.21 # http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000240070831/ 2560 x 1600 baby! 23.42.21 # any larger and you can't play games in perfect resolution anynore 23.42.24 # *anynmore 23.43.17 # i've got a PS2 for my games 23.43.32 Quit Febs_out_to_lunc () 23.43.50 # Eww... ps2? 23.44.15 # I mean, I have one, but if I had to pick *one* system it wouldn't be that one. 23.45.10 # what other system has Final Fantasy and Xenosaga? :) 23.45.59 # sega mega_cd? 23.46.21 # Bah, the PS2 final fantasies have been unimpressive. 23.46.31 # I'll give you Xenosaga though. Maybe. 23.46.42 # It was good. 23.47.43 # * ender` wishes he could play xenogears on PS2, but he didn't have a PS1 memory card... 23.48.08 # Ah 23.48.20 # I never understood why they didn't format the first 150k as a PS1 card. 23.48.31 # Use two partitions, basically. 23.48.31 # to sell more stuff of course 23.48.36 # I suppose. 23.48.46 # well, there's always ePSXe 23.48.57 # That's my general choice. 23.49.04 # Even if the framebuffer effects slow it down a lot 23.49.12 # i never understood why the PS2 memcards are so damn slow 23.49.28 # not on my computer :) 23.49.29 # Because they used the cheapest flash memory they could, then charged you out the ass for it anyway? 23.49.59 # Mine does the heat glare in the first cutscene at about 35fps. Well, my laptop does, I suppose I should say. After that the game's fullspeed. 23.50.30 # 59,9FPS at 1280x1024 23.51.29 # i played most of xenogears without FPS limit, made the text much more bearable 23.51.57 # Yeah, I tend to disable it at those points. 23.52.25 # PS2 has a glitch with Xenogears anyway 23.52.25 Quit bobwise ("CGI:IRC") 23.52.33 # really? 23.52.49 # Everything is drawn at about 98% opaquity I'd say. You can VERY slightly see through everything to what's below it. 23.52.55 # So if Fei walks behind a wall, you can still see his sprite. 23.53.03 # haha 23.53.08 # i need to check that out 23.53.26 # It's a *very* faint effect. I didn't notice it first until right before you recruit Rico, but once I saw it, it was noticeable 23.57.19 # btw, is it just me, or was dubbing in xenogears horrible? 23.57.46 # Horrible doesn't even BEGIN to describe it. It was Symphony of the Night bad. 23.58.13 # gah! 23.58.18 # what is this 23.58.23 # #define option_select_get_title(_opt) \ 23.58.23 # (_opt)->title 23.58.33 # nastiness 23.58.36 # horrible is the shortest word i could come up with 23.58.37 Join Dima202 [0] (n=dimatech@ool-457ab87d.dyn.optonline.net) 23.58.52 # TiMiD: STOP THAT 23.58.53 # grrr