--- Log for 07.01.106 Server: kornbluth.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 12 days and 22 hours ago 00.00.15 Join lokki [0] (n=d5bd8e78@labb.contactor.se) 00.00.49 # listening to my flac collection on my iriver...awesome! 00.01.00 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-51.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.01.59 # i agree 00.02.17 # you can hear the difference 00.02.30 # mp3 <--> flac 00.02.34 # hell yes 00.02.42 # without too much bother 00.03.16 # i used mp3 for like two years... now i reencode everything 00.03.35 # could one of you send me a flac-file? never heard one before 00.03.52 # why not create one for yourself? 00.04.00 # i've got too much music to encode losslessly 00.04.08 # and when i do encode lossless, i tend to use wavpack 00.04.14 # lokki just want one to test.. 00.04.15 # why? 00.04.22 # it's slightly better 00.04.29 # imho 00.04.32 # better? == smaller 00.04.34 # yeah 00.04.40 # and it has other nifty features i like 00.04.40 # ok 00.04.42 # like hybrid compression 00.04.53 # that's nice indeed 00.05.06 # and flac for rockbox used to be really slow 00.05.07 # anyone happen to know why i'm getting "address 0x100183a8 of /home/ashridah/rb/src/cvs/rockbox/firm/apps/codecs/vorbis.elf section .iram is not within region PLUGIN_IRAM" whenever i try to build rockbox these days? 00.05.11 # which made me hate it a bit 00.05.12 # hehe 00.05.19 # ashridah: target? 00.05.37 # hmm i use linux exclusively, flac seemed to be easyer to get... 00.05.40 # ashridah: unmodified tree? 00.06.21 # lokki: yeah, it probably is, i tried to compile wavpack under linux once. wasn't as easy as i'd hoped 00.06.33 # but it most certainly is possible 00.06.42 # should be imho 00.06.52 # it is, it's just that the main author doesn't use linux 00.06.56 # so he can't test it himself 00.07.06 # ah ok.. 00.07.12 # but yeah 00.07.19 # wavpack support in rockbox used to be waaaay better than flac 00.07.29 # but then linuxstb found a better decoder, and we optimised it 00.07.33 # now it's the fastest codec we have 00.07.34 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.07.42 # well i'm happy with my flacs now...:-) 00.07.48 # yes i saw that 00.07.59 # but seeking is only partially implemented 00.08.02 # he did some tests, and you can listen to flacs for around 12 hours if you don't skip too often 00.08.11 # wow! 00.08.49 # and seeking back to the previous track is also not possible, is this true for all codecs? 00.09.17 # oh? 00.09.19 # weird 00.09.54 # i mean seeking from track 2 back until you get to track 1 00.10.02 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5486175A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.10.24 # yeah, i know 00.10.25 # weird 00.10.42 # so it's not a known bug? 00.10.52 # i don't know, can't say i remember it 00.10.58 # but it's been a while since i hacked on the flac codec too 00.11.52 # it just stops at the beginning of the file, no matter how long you press left... 00.12.01 # ahhh, like that 00.12.01 # well ok, no big problem for me 00.12.03 # that's a feature 00.12.05 # not a bug 00.12.15 # why? 00.12.18 # rockbox has always worked like that 00.12.20 # why, i don't know 00.12.24 # ask the elders 00.12.34 # ok i will 00.12.40 # * preglow points to amiconn 00.12.52 # is he around? 00.12.53 # probably no one has complained until now :> 00.12.56 # don't know 00.13.09 # but yeah, i'd like it if it continued seeking myself 00.13.30 # hmm it should be a option... like always 00.13.45 # hehe 00.13.48 # no, i don't think it should 00.14.13 # if someone implements seeking across tracks, i think that should be the only behaviour 00.14.34 # ok... i agree 00.14.58 # preglow: H1xx, unmodified tree (cvs up doesn't find any conflicts) 00.14.58 # Man, flashing your player with the firmware of a different model.. and editing the firmware file with a text editor.. WHY! 00.15.11 # only thing i can think of is that i'm using gcc 4. 00.15.18 # it could stop for 1 or 2 secs at the beginning of a track 00.15.20 # might compile 3.4.x up and try again 00.15.47 # ashridah: that's it 00.16.03 # ashridah: no doubt at all, gcc 4 probably makes bigger code, so the iram code doesn't fit anymore 00.16.19 # ashridah: i really wouldn't recommend gcc4, everything i've seen points to it being worse for our target 00.16.46 # seeking back across tracks is very cool if you like bass solos :-) 00.17.17 # hmm. 3.4.4 is still the latest isn't it? 00.17.43 # no 00.17.44 # 3.4.5 00.18.09 # ah 00.18.12 # * ashridah leeches a patch 00.18.34 # * amiconn doesn't get the point of seeking across tracks 00.18.58 # amiconn: it's very practical for musicians 00.19.06 # It's indeed a feature that seek stops at the track boundaries, and decelerates before 00.19.32 # if you want to transcribe something for example 00.19.33 # it decelerates? 00.19.35 # If I want to go forward/back through tracks, there is skip 00.20.00 # preglow: Yes, at least it does on archos. If it doesn't on iriver, it's a bug 00.20.08 # i don't know 00.20.10 # never tried 00.20.28 # it does 00.20.36 # yes it does 00.20.39 # lokki: Shouldn't A-B repeat be more helpful for that? 00.20.46 # yes shure 00.20.58 # is it going to be implemented? 00.21.15 # There is A-B repat in the archos playback engine, though not yet in the swcodec playback engine afaik 00.21.20 # * ashridah mutters vile things about his mobile phone carrier 00.21.46 # would be great... 00.22.12 # On the archos platforms, A-B repeat is only enabled for the recorder models, because we couldn't find a way to enable it for player & Ondios - too few buttons... 00.22.36 # on iriver the a/b button is allready very busy 00.23.16 # The archos recorders still are the targets with the largest number of buttons 00.23.16 # but i guess there needs to be done more work then just button assignments on swcodec platforms 00.23.23 Join linuxstb [0] (n=426b3142@labb.contactor.se) 00.23.28 # lokki: Yes. 00.24.05 # For archos player & Ondio it's just an UI problem. For iriver, the playback engine needs to be extended to support A-B 00.24.06 # * preglow hugs ubuntu 00.24.28 # i wonder what we should use the record button for 00.24.34 # it seems like such a waste to use it for recording 00.24.59 # i think you should move the settings menu to the record button 00.25.19 # i mean move a/b button to rec button 00.26.40 # how would you have to extend it? start to fill the buffer when a/b is pressed and stop it when it's pressed again, then loop buffer content? 00.27.35 # I don't know the details, but afaik on archos A-B works by setting marks during playback 00.27.41 # I never tried it myself 00.27.44 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.28.37 # ah ok, would be better that way, no limits 00.29.13 # in the multicodec arch, there are marks to indicate where to read and fill from in the circular buffer, right? A-B would be a matter of putting 2 more marks for between where to play, and the limit of A-B length would be the size of the codec buffer...? 00.29.36 # myeah 00.29.42 # around there, at least 00.30.12 # we'll probably want to limit it a bit more, to avoid special treatment of watermarks when using a-b repeat 00.30.25 # watermarks? 00.30.34 # the marks that decide where to start buffering 00.31.02 # ah ok... 00.31.46 # is anyone working on coding this? 00.31.59 # i don't think so 00.32.05 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 00.32.09 # sounds like I have a project for the weekend then :) 00.32.16 # nice! 00.32.40 # but yeahyeah 00.32.43 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-70-79.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.32.48 # i've gotta call it a night before it happen involuntarily 00.32.56 # see you later 00.33.01 # bye 00.33.19 # ugh -- the A-B button in WPS already has a function -- and this needs to be a short press. 00.33.34 Quit Nibbler ("life is like a rental car, you fuck it up, and give it back.") 00.33.35 # you can use the record button for now 00.33.39 # was my think. 00.34.11 # but imho the a/b an rec buttons should be changed in the future 00.34.21 # right 00.37.45 Join einhirn_ [0] (n=Miranda@p5486175A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.40.55 Quit einhirn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.41.10 # lostlogic: Again I'm not sure, but iirc A-B on archos is limited to one track, but _not_ by buffer size 00.41.40 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p5486175A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.42.01 # It's in fact a special case of 'repeat track' 00.42.26 # amiconn: don't think there's a reason to be so limitted here -- the iRiver firmware supports AB across track boundaries, I think 00.42.49 Join crazymonkey [0] (n=52278849@labb.contactor.se) 00.42.55 # haven't used the iriver firmware for years 00.43.07 # can't remember 00.43.44 # hey there, just wondering what stuff you guys think will be added to the iriver h100 project, or is the port virtually completed? 00.43.50 # I'll look at the code this weekend and come up with a design for A-B, probably tonight. Speaking of tonight, it's time to go home from work and start working on rockbox instead. ;) 00.44.09 # yes! 00.44.14 # lostlogic: I can't think of an application for A-B across tracks, but as long as implementing it this way isn't significantly more complex than for just one track, why not 00.44.15 # what time do you have? 00.44.46 # try making the record button do somehting on FM radio!;) and as if that hint want enough, will we be able to record radio? 00.44.47 # amiconn: the only complication added by track boundaries is the codec load on the reverse portion of the loop, imo 00.45.05 # Btw, one-track A-B on archos is usually less limiting than the buffer size would be 00.45.23 # it would be great to use A - B to que songs 00.45.31 # queue* 00.45.36 # crazymonkey: you are able to record radio 00.45.43 # ?? 00.46.04 # so when your browsing the file tree, tap A - B and the song is added to the last song in the playlist 00.46.05 # lostlogic: Hmm, that could be a severe problem 00.46.45 # you can record radio now? lol better update my builds (havnt done so for a while, thought not much had happened) 00.47.42 # it was there for a long time, just go to the fm screen, start radio and then go to recording screen and select line-in... there you are 00.47.48 # crazymonkey: Context menu->Playlist->Insert last 00.48.01 Quit gibbs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.48.31 # but that requires an HD spinup, is there anyway to aviod that? its just REALLY slow, just like when you arte trying to make a playlist. 00.48.39 # lokki: There's still something missing. On archos you can record from within th FM screen. No need to select input or adjust level. 00.48.59 # I once spent an hour adding songs only to find that i was doing it too fast, and so i had a plyalist of 3 songs lol 00.49.24 # amiconn: yeah -- the start mark for a-b would have to also remember the beginning of the track that it belongs to to get the codec info or some such 00.49.30 # similar to a bookmark 00.49.42 # yes, you should be able to be on the FM screen, then "oh, i really like the song thats coming up!" and "click" the record button to instantly record 00.49.58 # hmm i like to adjust the level 00.50.06 # plus youd have to agree that changing to the recording screen is hardly a good user interface is it? 00.50.23 # crazymonkey: Adding a song to the playlist requires a spinup to read the metadata. This has nothing to do with the way to invoke the function 00.50.49 # would it be possible to include metadat in the dir cache? 00.50.54 # it's not completed as amiconn said 00.50.59 # metadata* 00.51.01 # but at least it works 00.51.21 # in the iriver firmware it was removed 00.52.00 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc2-hem13-3-1-cust77.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 00.52.04 # it would be loaded into ram, and so adding songs to playlists wouldnt require an HD spinup, am i correct? or would this use up too much of the 32MB cache? 00.52.22 # lostlogic: A tricky constellation would be if the start mark would be so far into the track containing it that the data size between track start and A marker is larger than the buffer, and the next track needs a different codec 00.52.49 # amiconn: how would a bookmark at that location work? 00.52.49 # amiconn :-) 00.53.02 # Does a bookmark save the codec info? 00.53.15 # crazymonkey: have you given Rubbergloves patch a go? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1274907 00.53.39 Join saratoga [0] (n=80c4c198@labb.contactor.se) 00.53.52 # I've been wondering about the Ipod's CPU 00.54.02 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.54.10 # as I understand it has no D-cache and 96k of on board IRAM? 00.54.13 # is this right? 00.54.16 # lostlogic: I don't know how this is handled in the swcodec playback engine. 00.54.33 # amiconn: another thing I'll have to lookup 00.54.43 # anywho, I'm off for 30-40m. 00.55.07 # In fact, while I would want a unified playback engine, I'm afraid to actually do it 00.56.07 # i mean directory cache, where on boot rockbox reads the file tree and saves a file, so on subsequent staretups it loads the directory cache and the disk does not spinup on entering every directory. I was simply extending this to databasing the metadata to allow instantaneous adding of songs to playlists without the HD spinning up (and resulting battery loss and time wasting) 00.56.21 # The hwcodec playback engine is complex. The swcodec playback engine looks like the invention of complexity. 00.56.28 Join ataxy [0] (n=chatzill@modemcable189.249-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) 00.57.02 # thanks for the point towards the patch Mmmm, i would give it a go if i knew how to stick the patch in as it were :~ 00.57.04 # I don't want to touch it if I don't have to 00.57.50 # is it a copy and paste jobby? 00.57.57 # amiconn: did you write the mandelbrot plugin? 00.58.22 # No, but I heavily extended and modified it 00.58.31 # i really like it 00.58.44 # ah well your obviosuly not interested in a noob users opinions, but seriously, the metadata thing would be great for playlists. 00.58.55 # crazymonkey: Here's another point then... :) http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 00.59.05 # and im sure others would agree? 00.59.20 # saratoga: The ipod has two CPU cores, each with an 8KB unified cache. The older ipods have 96KB of IRAM, the Nano and Video have 128KB. 00.59.29 # hmm, would it be complex to add a julia set? 00.59.40 # crazymonkey: Slasheri is working on tagcache, which does cache metadata, and will eventually replace the current tag database 00.59.40 # thanks Mmmm, ill give it a whirl. 00.59.54 # * amiconn doesn't use dircache 01.00.14 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.15 # or even choose a user defined formula at startup... 01.01.58 # hehe well ive gone way beyond politness so what the hell, when is rockbox video coming to the H100S! 01.02.32 # and will there be a taser attachment trough the line out? 01.03.00 Quit ender` (" It is difficult to produce a television documentary that is both incisive and probing when every twelve minutes one is inter) 01.03.21 Quit crazymonkey ("CGI:IRC") 01.03.46 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.03.57 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 01.04.02 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 01.04.09 # where do i get latest flac version? 01.04.18 Quit darkless (Connection reset by peer) 01.04.19 # flac.sf.net 01.04.25 # cheers 01.04.38 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=billybob@adsl-64-123-190-199.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.05.01 Quit Moos ("Happy new year @ all") 01.08.22 # -5 -T "Artist=%a" -T "Title=%t" -T "Album=%g" -T "Date=%y" -T "Tracknumber=%n" -T "Genre=%m" %s -o %d 01.08.28 # is that ok for settings? 01.08.33 Join ze [0] (i=ze@ca-dstreet-cuda1-c6a-130.snbrca.adelphia.net) 01.08.38 # amiconn: where in the code of mandelbrot.c is the actual mandelbrot formula? 01.08.53 # I always use -8 with flac 01.09.34 # linuxstb: thanks for optimizing the flac codec!!! 01.10.22 # You're welcome :) preglow worked on it as well. 01.10.47 # It's still lacking full seeking though. 01.11.21 # he said it was you... i'm listening to flacs exclusively now on my h-120 01.11.45 # yeah, but with seekpoints it's no big deal for me 01.12.21 # muesli:God knows...Mine look like this and work nicely: -8 -o %2 -T "artist=%a" -T "title=%t" -T "album=%b" -T "date=%y" -T "tracknumber=%tn" -T "genre=%g" - 01.12.52 # i am using eac btw 01.13.48 # When I put the settings in I knew what they did... but that was ages ago! :D 01.14.37 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.14.42 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.16.48 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.17.19 # about the new gigabeat on dapreview: "All right from what I read from previous players using Windows PMC software is that you can drag and drop content to the player. So right now I want this player badly!!!!" 01.17.55 # ? 01.18.02 # markun:? 01.18.28 # I thought there were many other players with drag and drop support. 01.18.35 # rockbox players for example 01.19.49 # yeah that's way i didn't understand your phrase... pretty much every player supports drag and drop so it's nothing special 01.20.49 # Maybe if you only know the ipod drag and drop sounds like a revolution :) 01.22.36 # :-) but even ipods would have drag and drop support with rockbox 01.28.09 # n8 m8s 01.28.17 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 01.32.20 # good night all!! 01.32.23 Join Mad_Big_Sausage [0] (n=Mad_Big_@213-202-148-27.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 01.32.26 Quit lokki ("CGI:IRC") 01.33.19 Quit Mad_Big_Sausage (Client Quit) 01.37.38 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 01.37.57 Quit darkless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.46.05 Quit Pi ("bye") 01.46.55 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-193-50.dynamic.qsc.de) 01.48.34 # markun: only thing missing is a media player that support syncing with UMS players 01.51.38 Quit Mmmm () 01.51.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.53.46 # might be useful for some people 01.53.52 # How's libmpeg2? 01.55.52 # hwcodec AB repeat is very strictly one-song-only, as it was designed for devices where not more than a song would generally be in buffer. frustrating. 01.59.26 # markun: I am statifying it 01.59.31 # I am still on pc 02.00.21 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 02.00.29 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 02.01.22 # http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/6710 02.01.29 # I have an error at line 10 02.01.45 # rb_api.h:10: error: parse error before "size" 02.01.50 # I'm now also thinking mpeg2 might be better than divx. Only the increase in fps will again increase the bitrate 02.02.13 # is that normal I should include the types for the protoype ? 02.02.24 # markun: not that much 02.02.43 # I encoded a mpeg2 stream in 220*176 it's really ok 02.02.52 # at 300 kbit 02.02.54 # Which fps? 02.02.58 # 25 02.03.31 # I realise that the xvid used by iriver firmware are 10fps and 300kbit 02.03.38 # :) 02.03.41 # I tried down to 50 02.03.47 # it's still watchable I think 02.03.51 # I tried very low bitrates 02.04.08 # do they decode faster? 02.04.13 # I did not tried with the plugin 02.04.44 # Can you try? 02.04.49 # no 02.04.50 # lol 02.05.09 # mmm 02.05.14 # not tonight at least 02.05.26 # I don't want to waste more time on xvid 02.05.33 # at least until I have done mpeg2 02.05.33 # ok :) 02.05.52 # so probably not tomorrow as well 02.06.21 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 02.09.24 # mirak: any idea how we should deal with sound? 02.09.39 # uncompressed wav ? 02.09.40 # :) 02.11.02 Join Sixtiz [0] (n=Sixtiz@h15n2fls31o1015.telia.com) 02.12.20 # Sound will be a problem - you will have both the audio and video codecs fighting for IRAM. Without IRAM, the audio codecs won't work in realtime. 02.12.54 # that's why I talk about uncompressed wav 02.13.00 # the battery will die 02.13.40 # I am not sure how long it's possible to record with wav 02.14.00 # it could be a good indicator about battery esperance of life 02.14.39 # I know that when I plug the usb cable and forgot to plug the battery and let it like that, the battery goes to zero in about an hour 02.16.37 Join Sucka [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-136-16-248.range86-136.btcentralplus.com) 02.18.06 # Does it take a lot of time to copy the code in and out of IRAM? 02.20.51 # it's probably worth if the code is called a lot of time, but as said preglow there is a cpu cache for often called code 02.21.05 # from what I have tested I gained a bit by putting some code into iram 02.21.22 # I gained by putting structures 02.21.34 # but what I gained was not much I found 02.22.56 # My mistake.. does it take long to swap DATA in and out of IRAM? (to switch between video and audio decoding) 02.23.57 # oh 02.24.21 # I think it could work 02.24.31 # in fact it could be a kernel feature don't you think ? 02.25.17 # markun: it would be interesting if we decode 1 second of frames, then 1 second of mp3 etcetera 02.25.27 # yes 02.25.34 # 1 second of frame might be huge in memort though 02.25.42 # -t+y 02.26.24 # We will worry about audio later :) 02.27.57 # 1.8MB for 25 frames 02.29.02 # mirak: Have you thought about MPEG-1 video at all? 02.29.13 # Maybe if we can do a LCD update from a different location then the normal LCD buffer.. 02.30.04 # markun: That's what the lcd_blit function does. It's not implemented for the color lcds yet, but should be trivial, and would seem a good idea for video. 02.30.36 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.31.03 # linuxstb: I think libmpeg2 can decode it, I am not sure though 02.31.35 # Could be interesting to test if mpeg1 decodes faster than mpeg2 for a similar size/quality file. 02.32.19 # "ibmpeg2 is a free library for decoding mpeg-2 and mpeg-1 video streams." 02.34.22 # woah, woah! if I'm playing a song from buffer, and the passed buffer is still in RAM, and I hit skip back to go to the beinning of the song, it dumps the entire codec buffer!?!??! 02.34.26 # * lostlogic shoots self 02.35.10 # ? 02.36.29 # lostlogic: fix it :) 02.36.33 # seeking back to the beginning of the song does not cause a disk read though 02.36.46 # * lostlogic mutters instead of shooting himself and goes to see if that can be fixed 02.38.36 # which is our most efficient lossy decoder? ac3? 02.40.57 # I don't know how fast libmad has become, but I would guess ac3 is still the best. I've never tried lossy wavpack though. 02.41.43 Join webguest51 [0] (n=d31f4fd9@labb.contactor.se) 02.42.40 Quit ataxy ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") 02.43.54 Quit webguest51 (Client Quit) 02.44.03 Join webguest51 [0] (n=d31f4fd9@labb.contactor.se) 02.45.35 # Hello, I am new here 02.45.57 # hi. 02.46.01 Quit actionshrimp (Connection timed out) 02.46.13 # I have a few questions, Hi monkey 02.46.52 # I came here from the mistic rivier site 02.47.08 # wow, ac3 is really very efficient 02.47.29 # i don't think it is 02.47.31 # err 02.47.33 # you mean decoding 02.47.36 # well yeah 02.47.41 # it's less complex than mp3 reallly 02.47.56 # basically I was wondering what negative things could people do if they wanted to, through altering the rockbox code or making plugins 02.48.33 # I ask cause I am paranoid and would rather know and install than not know 02.48.44 # kill your dog 02.48.56 # remotely 02.49.15 # For example could your player send information over the web when connected to a internet enabled computer 02.49.20 # that kind of thing 02.49.50 # *(((void **)align_buf) - 1) = buf; 02.50.02 # this line is doing a segfault 02.52.46 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC") 02.52.51 Join webguest51 [0] (n=d31f4fd9@labb.contactor.se) 02.54.49 Part webguest51 03.02.06 Join DJDD__ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 03.03.25 Quit merbanan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.04.20 # * lostlogic gives up on cross-track A-B mode for now (wouldn't fit into the current arch easily) 03.06.48 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 03.12.15 # has anyone actually _tried_ just enabling the existing AB repeat code on swcodec machines? it doesn't look unworkable at all. 03.18.23 Quit DJDD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.25.50 # lostlogic: Probably not. Go ahead and see what happens. 03.26.10 # am working on it -- the audio_event_handler stuff appears to be the missing link. 03.38.04 Join saratoga [0] (n=80c4c198@labb.contactor.se) 03.38.17 # is there documentation for the AC3 format somewhere? 03.38.24 # if its simplier then MP3 that could be fun to look at 03.43.23 # nevermind, atsc has a great spec sheet on google 03.43.30 # from what they've said at hydrogenaudio.org 03.43.38 # AC3 is about as complex to decode as MP2 03.43.41 Join stevenm [0] (n=stevenm@pcp04424903pcs.nrockv01.md.comcast.net) 03.43.44 # Hello guys. 03.43.51 # now more than that i can't say 03.44.02 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.45.05 # About, how many 8bit microprocessors chained together, with 368 registers and 1 working register, 8KB of ROM each, and no multiply instruction, and say 30MB of RAM, would it take to get MP3 playback? 03.45.53 # i have no idea 03.46.43 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 03.47.15 # stevenm: what are you asking? 03.49.11 # saratoga, i just want a ballpark estimate 03.49.29 # its a very stupid chip 03.49.32 # what microcontrollers? how would you chain them together, etc 03.49.55 # saratoga, PIC 16F877. Chained together... I dont know, using a BUS of some sort. 03.50.09 # possibly splitting the decoding task over several chips.. each does a certain part 03.50.26 # I am just wondering, how many of them it would take to get realtime MP3 decoding 03.50.36 # hmmmmmmmmmmm setting of marks seems to work, but it doesn't catch as it hits the B mark on the way forward 03.51.30 # it doesnt look like i'll be getting that H340 unfortunately. someone's going to have to optimize MIDI in ASM instead of me.. when the time comes for that and people can do it 03.51.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.52.05 # but I need an MP3 player. and all the ones on the market are either too expensive or very very ugly. so i figure, make a PIC cluster to play music 03.53.24 Quit DJDD__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 03.53.32 # thinking about it I have no real idea 03.53.41 # i guess you could split the MDCT a few ways 03.53.53 # each one do a part 03.54.07 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 03.55.01 # i don't know how well that would work 03.57.16 Quit Kohlrabi ("Leaving") 03.59.03 # anyone know how ab repeat mode works on archos? Is it a mode you have to have enabled to use it? 04.03.02 # nvm, it is... bah, makes turning it into a single button function rougher. 04.13.53 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.19.34 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.21.10 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 04.23.38 Quit hshah_ ("Leaving") 04.26.16 Quit Sucka (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.26.49 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=d3e8a101@labb.contactor.se) 04.26.56 # hi 04.27.04 # i'm in iriverzone 04.27.32 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 04.42.52 Quit stevenm ("Connection reset by beer") 04.56.16 Join Bluechip [0] (n=BlueChip@cpc2-colc1-3-0-cust143.colc.cable.ntl.com) 05.03.47 Part Bluechip 05.10.42 Quit paugh (Remote closed the connection) 05.11.22 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 05.14.55 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@vp089013.reshsg.uci.edu) 05.15.13 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB069CA.ipt.aol.com) 05.20.31 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.23.58 Join DJDD__ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 05.38.15 Join webguest20 [0] (n=187624cb@labb.contactor.se) 05.41.53 # hi 05.42.05 # I've been reading about the news of the iAudio X5 development 05.42.31 # who is working on that right now? is it linus too? 05.43.10 Quit DJDD_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.46.58 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.51.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.57.21 Join linuxstb [0] (n=426b3142@labb.contactor.se) 06.02.50 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.05.09 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207025.direcpc.com) 06.06.32 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@host86-141-47-42.range86-141.btcentralplus.com) 06.09.52 # gorp -- the ab markers show up in wrong places. 06.15.56 Quit warewolf ("*BAMF*") 06.20.36 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.21.14 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-67.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.51.58 # was drawing them for remote and main screen it looks like. 07.10.01 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-212-138.dyn.iinet.net.au) 07.12.38 Quit gtkspert (Client Quit) 07.16.31 # ab repeat on swcodec patch: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399036&group_id=44306&atid=439120 07.16.34 # * lostlogic sleeps 07.21.47 Quit paugh (Remote closed the connection) 07.24.01 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 07.24.07 Quit Snifffurt (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.24.19 Nick paugh is now known as AliasCoffee (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 07.26.55 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB069CA.ipt.aol.com) 07.26.55 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.26.55 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.40.06 Part Paul_The_Nerd 07.45.48 Quit RotAtoR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.51.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.02.07 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 08.04.08 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-238-164.dsl.pipex.com) 08.12.34 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-9-40.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.12.36 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 08.12.48 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-9-40.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 08.35.30 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 08.35.51 # hi 08.59.23 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.07.44 Quit Jungti1234 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.48.44 Join DJDD_ [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 09.51.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.54.23 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45AE7.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.07.43 Quit DJDD__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.10.11 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD4A94.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.11.36 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 10.11.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD4A94.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.12.35 # morning amiconn 10.12.56 # morning 10.13.06 # what are you working on these days? 10.13.38 # Not much :/ 10.13.55 # I am still half through the .lang cleanup 10.14.52 # * amiconn isn't very motivated these days 10.15.29 # I'm not very motivated to study, and rockbox is such a nice distraction.. 10.17.16 # I can imagine that cleaning up the lang files is not the most fun thing to do, nice that you are doing it anyway 10.32.00 # I am annoyed by the route rockbox development currently takes 10.32.12 # Of course every dev is free to work on what he wants, 10.33.32 # but if development continues this way, in some months we will have a bloated rockbox with a ton of features that feels very different on the different targets, 10.34.08 # and since most of the features will be unfinished, we still won't have a release version for non-archos 10.36.03 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (n=saab_rid@221.223.98.33) 10.36.47 # Then we should maybe have a feature freeze some day and only work on the things that need to be finished. 10.37.02 # until the release of course 10.42.33 # Multi-screen support: unfinished (recording screen, bookmark selector, ...). Voice UI on iriver: unfinished (Glitches, not working in pause mode, no clip pre-emption). Recording: unfinished (prerecording, different sample frequencies, S/PDIF input) 10.42.42 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 10.43.16 # Multi-codec arch: unfinished (AAC needs optimisation) 10.44.40 # Unicode support: unfinished (text viewer) 10.45.58 # hi 10.46.12 # hi 10.46.27 # Text viewer is problem of font buffer. 10.46.33 # ah 10.46.41 # Rockbox problem. 10.47.30 Join vger_ [0] (n=henrico@cn-mss-cb01-1705.dial.kabelfoon.nl) 10.49.48 # Jungti1234: also the viewer needs to fixed 10.50.44 # The viewer should support other encodings in addition to utf-8 10.51.09 # amiconn: phaedrus was working on it before he didn't have time for rockbox anymore. 10.51.23 # I have his viewer here, but it lacks a menu to select the encoding 10.51.32 # Oh, and what would be really helpful is to add a settings menu to the viewer that replaces the ton of hard-to-remember button combos 10.51.48 # yes, we should add a menu anyway 10.51.57 # (a thing that is on my todo list for a looong time) 10.52.29 # On th eplayer, some viewer button combos involve 3 buttons (!) 10.55.18 # I've added a menu for the encodings, will add the other functions as well 11.01.06 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p54861295.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.14.22 # And it must support unicode input. 11.14.59 # OGG Q10 is uneasy yet. 11.15.06 Join mozetti [0] (n=moe@p54A852D2.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.15.33 # When do various work.(In H300) 11.17.02 # -> When at the same time do many works. 11.18.22 # <_FireFly_> Jungti1234: remember the h300 is mainly a dap(with video-playback) and not an pda oder a PC 11.18.50 # I know. 11.19.27 # Is that I want it wrong thing? 11.23.53 # i think you'll be disapointed, if that's what you want 11.24.28 # the main reason PDAs are useable is the touch screen - if you have to just a joystick/button press for everything, then it's not as convenient to use 11.24.47 # *have to use a joystick/button 11.26.47 # morning 11.27.21 Join VagueRant [0] (i=vaguery@wikipedia/vague-rant) 11.27.37 # Hey all, how's it going? 11.28.43 # howdy 11.29.06 # I was just curious as to whether anyone's looked into streamed audio formats in Rockbox. Being streamed, they take very low processing power. 11.29.53 # That said, the only players I know are plugins for Winamp and foobar2000. 11.30.08 # So I don't know how useful their source would be. 11.30.25 # how would you receive the stream? 11.31.16 # Just from file. 11.31.29 # They're rather large, of course. 11.31.33 # <_FireFly_> if you would stream from the hd then the reduced cpu-usage might be negligible to the power consumption of the hd spinning 11.31.44 # Good point. 11.31.53 # i'd imagine it might even take more power 11.31.55 Quit vger_ ("[BX] Reserve your copy of gtkBitchX-1.1-final for the Commodore 64 today!") 11.34.42 # <_FireFly_> and the player is then less shock resistend then buffering as much of the file as possible in ram 11.35.58 # Hmm. How about on the Nano? 11.36.09 # I realize I'm getting way ahead of myself, but it's plausible, right? 11.36.18 # * amiconn wonders what VagueRant means with 'streamed audio formats' 11.36.32 # Most linear formats can be streamed 11.37.08 Join lear [0] (n=lear@h247n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 11.37.14 # This has nothing to do with CPU usage. Compressed audio needs to be uncompressed for playback, irrespectively of the source 11.37.36 # <_FireFly_> only the disk have to spin longer 11.37.45 # <_FireFly_> when streaming the file content 11.38.02 # Well I mean uncompressed audio. 11.38.23 # As is used in video games specifically for its low CPU usage. 11.39.28 # WAV is uncompressed audio 11.39.40 # Rockbox plays wav 11.39.46 # Indeed it does. 11.39.53 # What's the battery life like for WAVs? 11.40.35 # I dunno. Nobody measured it yet afaik 11.41.22 # I'd expect less runtime with wav than with flac 11.46.08 Join Mongey [0] (n=mongeyc@83-70-60-200.b-ras1.dbn.dublin.eircom.net) 11.47.18 # amiconn - but, b/c wav is a larger file, the buffer fills up faster, and the hdd has to spin more to re-fill the buffer 11.49.04 # <_FireFly_> b/c ? 11.49.45 # Because. 11.51.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.55.36 # H300 seems to be other bug. 11.56.47 # I was playing a game as I'm interesting by plugin. 11.57.12 # By the way, returned to menu suddenly. 11.57.29 # Game ended automatically. 11.57.54 # I experience often such event. 11.58.37 # Jungti1234--was it tetrox? cuz i always accidentally hit the 'Stop' button and end my game :( 11.58.42 # nono 11.58.49 # In all games. 11.59.39 # I didn't press 'Stop' button absolutely. 12.02.56 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 12.02.59 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-67.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.06.39 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB069CA.ipt.aol.com) 12.10.50 # Is this regular games or under RockBoy? 12.27.36 # plugins.. i think 12.27.57 # can someone help ...... http://www.diabolikal.org/main/forum_viewtopic.php?12.309 12.44.12 Join FeCu [0] (n=chatzill@ip-81-11-205-132.dsl.scarlet.be) 12.47.16 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 12.49.40 Join lokki [0] (n=d5bd8e78@labb.contactor.se) 12.50.08 # just tried lostlogics ab_repeat patch on swcodec platforms, it works very well 12.50.55 # except for flac files...because of the poor seeking support 12.51.31 # the start-point hops always hops to the nearest seekpoint, seems logical 12.51.48 # hups one hops too much 12.53.16 # hello everybody 12.53.43 # hi 12.53.52 # i have a problem booting rockbox, i installed the bootloader and the rockbox files but it doens't load rockbox 12.54.19 # it only shows Rockbox boot loader version 3 Batt : 4.00V 12.54.29 # it's an iriver h340 US 12.54.41 # on 1.29K 12.54.48 # K? -_-; 12.54.57 # u patched the firmware? 12.55.01 # yes 12.55.02 # yes 12.55.06 # kk 12.55.15 # and upgraded it 12.55.22 # yes 12.55.33 # otherwise it wouldn't show the bootloader i think 12.55.34 # ur sure that all the files are there 12.55.40 # I will come again 12.55.40 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.56.03 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-70-79.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.56.10 # .rockbox folder and a rockbox.iriver file 12.56.31 # http://needleboy.net/files/RockBoxH300Optimized.zip 12.56.33 # i already tried several releases but doenset work 12.56.40 # try that again 12.57.45 # ok thanks will try it immediately 12.58.40 Join DocterD [0] (n=DocterD@dslb-084-059-076-128.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.59.25 # Mongey: what's that ? 12.59.39 # its a optimised Rb version 12.59.47 # MR style 13.00.03 # with the colour changer and remote support 13.00.10 # plugins 13.00.12 # ect 13.00.28 # The optimized version doesn't work also 13.00.44 Join Moos [0] (n=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 13.01.02 # dowload a fresh version of the iriver f/w and repatch it 13.01.13 # ok 13.03.36 # igtg 13.03.44 # suggestions of which firmware ? 13.03.53 # 1.29 13.03.56 # K, J or EU 1.28 or 1.29 13.04.02 # k 13.04.04 # 1.29 13.04.11 Quit Mongey () 13.08.21 Quit einhirn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.09.00 # still no working rockbox 13.15.52 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.16.10 # FeCu: Can you boot the original firmware? 13.16.50 # yes 13.17.05 # record and play works 13.17.21 # Try renaming the folder .rockbox to something else and try again. 13.20.46 # still the same story 13.22.53 # Sounds like the rockbox bootloader isn't finding the files then. Do you have a rockbox.iriver file in your root directory? 13.23.40 # yes 13.24.36 # Well I'm out of ideas, unless you are using some strange encoding to write the filenames. 13.24.44 # <_FireFly_> FeCu: do you have maybe an extended partition on th device 13.25.03 # don't think so 13.25.34 # yes 13.26.03 # i'll make it a primary 13.26.30 # first backup 13.31.45 # <_FireFly_> ok because the rb-bootloader doesn't support extended/logical-partitions 13.34.23 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 13.34.47 Part VagueRant 13.37.52 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-67.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.46.51 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 13.47.36 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 13.52.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.55.19 Join pupser [0] (n=Harald@i538705F8.versanet.de) 13.55.58 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484E972.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.57.30 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.59.40 Join saa[b_r]ider [0] (n=saab_rid@221.223.98.33) 14.01.20 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-227-152.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.02.16 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p54861295.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.06.51 Quit pupser () 14.07.45 Quit mozetti () 14.11.16 Quit lokki ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.12.46 Quit FeCu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.14.40 Join b0br [0] (n=d5a8b399@labb.contactor.se) 14.16.00 # lostlogic: hi, is it you, who's working on A-B repeat function? 14.20.06 Join FeCu [0] (n=chatzill@ip-81-11-205-132.dsl.scarlet.be) 14.20.41 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 14.22.05 # my problem is solved now, changed extended logical to primary partition and it works now, thanks for helping me 14.28.51 Join petur [0] (i=petur@d54C1B62E.access.telenet.be) 14.30.19 # I'm a bit worried about the discussion last night about adding A-B repeat behind the A-B button on H3xx 14.30.36 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-135-026.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.30.54 # IMHO, this is a function used sooo seldom that it doesn't merrit getting its own button 14.31.19 # who invented that useless function anyway? 14.31.54 Join lokki [0] (n=d5bd8e78@labb.contactor.se) 14.32.26 # petur: this won't make into cvs just like this 14.32.36 # ashridah: around? 14.32.47 # but there is a patch for people who like it 14.32.48 # maybe 14.32.58 # lokki: I know, that's why I said this 14.33.15 # so what are you worrying about? 14.33.25 # ashridah: I had the same compile problem, it's gcc 4.x that causes it. 14.33.33 # yeah 14.33.35 # 3.4.5 works perfectly 14.33.38 # i sorted it with gcc-3.4.5 14.34.26 # for me it's a feature that i use very often... depends on the user 14.34.46 # may I ask what you use it for? 14.35.11 # for transcribing... 14.35.23 # * saa[b_r]ider thinks A-B could be amusing to beer drinkers 14.35.46 # ok, for dictaphone use it could be usefull 14.35.52 # that too 14.36.11 # maybe we should define operating modes that each can have a key mapping 14.36.30 # like: recording, dictaphone, ... 14.36.59 # maybe we should even let the user choose all keys freely? depending on a config file :-) 14.37.11 # that would be a support nightmare 14.37.17 # yes indeed 14.37.47 # * petur is dreaming too much of future things i.s.o. implementing what he's busy with ;) 14.37.53 # i personally don't mind if i have no one button recording screen popup feature 14.38.20 # it's a pitty the rec button isn't used at all atm 14.38.29 # that's why i think the menu should be there 14.38.44 # petur: maybe a gui would be simple 14.38.46 # simpler 14.39.00 # I mean in theory we could live with just a button plus the directions 14.39.33 # I'm not sure GUI's make it simpler 14.39.51 # oh my god there is dust on my keyboard ! 14.39.54 # I can give a big list of SW with nice GUI that isn't usable at all 14.40.05 # maybe we could implement a new "wps" by making a plugin that handles playback 14.40.30 # petur: like what ? 14.40.34 # so instead of wps, the plugin is loaded 14.40.55 # It's easier to know where to click on the screen instead of memorising what a key do on a particular screen 14.41.20 # i think the plugins would allow album art and display of song info for example 14.41.30 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 14.41.35 # and the wps wouldn't need to be touched 14.41.36 # ³»°¡ ¿Ô´Ù ¾êµé¾Æ!! 14.41.54 # could make it a whole lot easier 14.42.49 # but could it be set to run as default instead of the WPS (if wanted of course) 14.45.42 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 14.46.11 # i don't know, but these are only plans for the future, so nothing to worry about now 14.46.28 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-70-79.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.46.43 # where are the button assignments defined? 14.48.29 Join Xerion [0] (i=XERiON@cp198589-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) 14.53.27 # nevermind found it 14.56.39 # but i use A-B function really often - its absence on rockbox pushes me to boot to original firmware :( 14.57.03 # you can apply a patch now and it works really great! 14.57.20 # but maybe it's not good idea to map it on A-B button.. 14.58.06 # petur: thank for the development of recording, i have one more suggestion: 14.58.33 # yes? 14.58.34 # it's mapped to the record button currently 14.59.43 # prerecording is great feature but it could be good to have one button to start recording with it and one without - i think play button is not mapped in recording screen.. 15.00.28 # you mean a way to start recording without looking at the prerecording setting? 15.00.50 # lokki: i use record button to turn on my display.. 15.01.42 # b0br: h3x0 ? 15.02.20 # H1xx or H3xx I think 15.02.21 # no, i mean if you set prerecording to 30s, record button strarts recording with 30s prerecording and play button starts recording without prerecording 15.02.42 Quit lear (Remote closed the connection) 15.02.44 # heh, that's what I wrote ;) 15.02.54 Join Lamed [0] (n=Shachar@85-65-112-157.barak-online.net) 15.03.02 # Hmm, maybe play+rec but not single play button only.. 15.03.27 # h340 :) rockbox and its recording capabalities was reason why i purchased it 2 weeks ago 15.03.35 # b0br: yes 15.03.54 # one button only to turn backlight on, waste? 15.04.09 # slasheri: hmm sounds good 15.04.12 # flip the hold switch instead... 15.04.40 # has anyone tried the AB repeat patch I posted to patch tracker yet? 15.04.47 # yes i did 15.04.52 # thanks a lot 15.04.55 # it's great 15.05.02 # except for flac files 15.05.10 # what happens on flac? 15.05.12 # but thats a limitation in the codec 15.05.13 # petur, lokki: you're right hold would be probably better.. 15.05.19 # not seekable? 15.05.24 # poor seek support 15.05.30 # only with seekpoints 15.05.36 # ah, nod 15.05.58 Join Xerion_ [0] (n=xerion@cp198589-a.landg1.lb.home.nl) 15.06.19 # the first mark (a) just goes to the nearest seekpoint, but the second mark (b) is on the right place 15.06.40 # that makes sense, unfortunate. 15.06.43 # so i guess you calculate the second with the first one? 15.07.29 # they are both just millisecond elapsed markers from the beginning of the file, so the AB code tells the codec to seek to that elapsed point 15.08.02 # ah, and stopping works always... unlike seeking 15.09.10 # lokki: right, it can tell that it's reached the B mark, and just pauses the playback, asks to seek back to A and resumes, and the codec apparently treats any seek request as a request for the nearest seek point 15.09.39 # lostlogic: so your next project is real seek support with flac files :-) 15.10.15 # never used flac, so that's not likely ;) 15.10.29 # just kidding 15.11.30 # is there any way to log played songs yet? 15.11.33 # it's too bad that A-B across track boundaries wouldn't have fit neatly into the arch, but I guess that wouldn't be a feature in high demand. 15.11.43 # lostlogic: how can i swap the a/b button and the rec button? simply changing the hex values in button.h does not work... 15.12.11 # no, i think a-b like it is now is good enough for 99% 15.13.23 # lokki: it'd be in gwps.h 15.14.02 # _don't_ switch the hex values in button.h 15.14.36 # lokki: at least to change access to the menu and the ab function -- but then the AB button would still have it's same function everywhere other than WPS, so you'd have to change it in several other files as well to completely switch them up 15.15.08 Join webguest14 [0] (n=5265d954@labb.contactor.se) 15.15.35 # no way to switch them completely? i mean within one file? 15.15.46 # praps there is, but I don't know it 15.15.53 # petur: why? 15.16.08 # i think, it could be good to reconsider controls in h300 rockbox - it's little bit confusing right now.. 15.17.03 # lokki: you would switch the buttons everywhere 15.18.24 # that's what i want 15.18.33 # but it didn't work 15.18.39 Quit AliasCoffee ("Leaving") 15.19.04 Quit Xerion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.19.17 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 15.19.27 # lokki: those are hardware related defines... 15.19.38 Join webguest86 [0] (n=5265d954@labb.contactor.se) 15.19.55 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-70-79.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.20.11 Quit webguest14 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.20.20 # those #defined hex values are arbitrary actually. 15.21.17 # I must admit I don't know that part of RB (yet) 15.21.23 # if you really want to change it, you have to switch them in button.c lines 723 and 725 actually. 15.21.52 # petur: what are you working on right now? is there any chance of implementing this feature: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2138.0 in future? or at least playback while recorging? 15.22.09 # but then the AB button will be needed to do actual recording things so that doesn't sound ideal at all. 15.22.17 # thanks lostlogic, i'll give it a try 15.22.47 # yeah, but maybe i change it back there, instead of changing it everywhere else 15.23.09 # lokki: it doesn't exist that many places -- only 5 or 8 header files 15.24.05 # b0br: as Linus wrote in a related post: we can't play and record at the same time, it's a hardware restriction. 15.24.20 # lostlogic: ok then i will do it this way so it's gwps.h for first then 15.24.58 # I'm busy getting the recording gain names right (also in the code) and move the decimator setting into the recording screen for otf changing 15.25.03 # lokki: sounds like the best approach... I'm sure before release they'll do a big remap on HXXX buttons just to confuse all of us early adopters :-P 15.25.05 # petur: oh no, that's bad news :(((( 15.25.39 # it is 15.26.08 # is it because of the lack of additional DMA channels on the coldfire 5249? 15.26.16 # Hi, i'm new, this is my first install of rockbox on a ihp-120, build 20060107, after reboot the screen reads: Rockbox boot loader version 6 batt: 4.23. Nothings hapens, other builds have the same problem. I read almost all the documentation on rockbox.org. 15.26.54 # webguest86: sounds like you installed bootloader only but didn't copy teh actual rockbox firmware over to the hard disk. 15.27.13 # lostlogic: it's because recording and playback uses the same bus I think, so you're either playing or recording. 15.27.43 # ah -- does that also eliminate the possibility of mixing line-in with pcm out for push-to-hear mode? 15.27.54 # no 15.28.05 # because that's handled separately on the audio chip? 15.28.32 # yes, the audio chip can do the mixing... 15.28.38 # gotcha, thanks 15.28.54 # must be investigated more tho... 15.29.27 # maybe after I got this stuff done. But I don't have much time atm :( 15.29.45 # Lostlogic: You mean rockbox.irirver? I coppied it tho the ihp120. 15.29.55 # well and i think even if it would be possible to get audiodata into the cpu while playing the power wouldn't be sufficent to encode and decode mp3 at the same time 15.30.26 # i mean the cpu power, not the battery power :) 15.30.28 # webguest86: rockbox.iriver and the whole .rockbox folder? (easiest to just extract a zip build to the player) 15.30.43 Join |Beowulf| [0] (n=Beowulf@82-46-57-180.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.30.50 # we're not encoding anything, just moving around and writing to file 15.30.59 # Matze: no, if what linus said is right, there is only one RW bus between the audio chip and the CPU 15.31.05 # so there is no way to transfer data both ways at the same time 15.31.18 # that's what I think too 15.31.21 # lostlogic: Yes, I extracted it to the player. 15.31.22 # yes but i said EVEN if there would be a way 15.31.36 # but okay when not encoding to mp3 cpu would be enough... 15.31.49 # but your argument beats all :) or linus argument 15.31.54 # got to go... bye 15.32.07 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 15.32.27 # bye 15.33.52 # webguest86: hmmmmmm I assume you got the H120 version and not the H100 version? 15.34.23 # Yes its the H120 15.35.33 # The only time I've seen similar behaviour was when I build the firmware with a bad compiler, but you aren't compiling it yourself so I'm out of ideas for the moment. 15.37.01 # I used Fwpatchernu 15.37.36 # webguest86: well the bootloader itself seems alright which is what the fwpatcher patches 15.37.57 # <_FireFly_> webguest86: please check if the partition on the player is a primary-partition 15.38.15 # <_FireFly_> and not a logical-partition 15.38.24 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.38.40 Join muesli__ [0] (i=muesli_t@88.134.37.38) 15.39.05 # tacho 15.40.02 Quit lokki ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.41.18 # I think sort files numeric would be a useful option -- look for numbers at the start of filenames, sort by those if they exist, fall over to alpha 15.42.55 # It is a logical-partition, i'm going to change it in a primary an let you know. 15.42.57 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 15.43.10 # _FireFly_: impressive diagnosis *bows* 15.43.11 # <_FireFly_> webguest86: please backup our files before doing this 15.43.36 # <_FireFly_> lostlogic: another guy haf the same problem this day :) 15.43.42 # <_FireFly_> s/haf/had 15.44.05 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.45.19 # <_FireFly_> lostlogic: it was FeCu 15.45.59 # yes it worked 15.46.09 # change extended logical to primary 15.47.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=426b3142@labb.contactor.se) 15.49.18 Quit FeCu ("Chatzilla 0.9.69.1 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") 15.52.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.53.24 # hmm -- type sorting falls through to alpha, numeric should too -- use a goto, or let type sorting fall through twice? 15.53.54 # <_FireFly_> ? 15.54.41 # I'm trying to add numeric sorting -- sort ordering is handled by falling through a switch statement -- the type sort falls into the alpha currently -- I want numeric to fall through to alpha. 15.55.01 # if I put it between type and alpha then type will fall through to numeric ahead of alpha, or I could use a goto to avoid that. 15.58.20 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 15.58.33 # hi 15.58.51 # Thanks Firefly, lostlogic and FeCu, i'm now using Rockbox! 15.59.24 # and there was much rejoicing 16.00.14 # Hello preglow. 16.00.48 # Have you tried the USB detection on your Nano? 16.01.02 Quit webguest86 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.03.07 Join lokki [0] (n=d5bd8e78@labb.contactor.se) 16.03.24 # lostlogic: ok i switched it and it works like a charm... 16.03.31 # i really like it better this way 16.03.43 # gah, I don't see any way to use sort_alpha desc but it's in the switch statement for sort 16.03.46 # lokki: cool 16.05.07 # linuxstb: nope, i can try it later 16.05.27 # and it suddenly occurs to me i can update my bootloader now i'm in linux 16.06.01 # preglow: linux rocks 16.08.52 # yes, given the right distro 16.10.16 # you were hugging ubuntu last night 16.10.25 # so i guess that's your choice 16.11.24 Quit DocterD ("Leaving") 16.11.57 # hehe 16.12.08 # yeah, it seems like it 16.12.25 # nice to see a debian based distro that doesn't suck rod 16.12.53 # debian itself requires a bit too much setup to work properly for a desktop for my tastes 16.12.57 # on the server it does nicely 16.13.01 # well i use gentoo... never made it into debian... but maybe i'll try ubuntu 16.13.06 # i used gentoo on my server 16.13.10 # was quite satisfied with it 16.13.17 # yes it's fast 16.13.20 # but i don't want to compile too much on desktop 16.13.29 # and i use it for live audio... 16.13.42 # i use this box for audio coding 16.13.48 # hehe 16.13.55 # i tried using demudi a couple of days, but god damn, that sucked 16.14.14 # the only halfway decent audio distro i know of is planetccrma 16.14.30 # based on redhat 16.14.35 # yeah, haven't tried that 16.14.40 # i prefer deb based distros 16.14.52 # it's not too hard to make any linux distro work with audio 16.15.04 # low latency being the tricky part, but not too hard that either 16.15.16 # depends on your setup 16.15.32 # low latency on a laptop is quite tricky 16.15.32 # but anywho, the rme digiface i use worked without a hitch 16.15.49 # he, i use a rme dsp multiface 16.15.58 # alsa seems to have great support for it 16.16.12 # i just needed to compile hdspconf and hdspmixer by hand, but i'm used to stuff like that 16.16.20 # yes it does... 16.16.37 # i just wish the hdspmixer was a bit more updated 16.16.39 # i like the matrix view 16.16.48 # bye 16.16.51 # which isn't here 16.16.51 # i don't use hdspmixer that often 16.16.52 # Jungti1234: bye 16.16.52 # have a nice day 16.16.58 # i will, thanks 16.17.04 Quit Jungti1234 () 16.17.22 # when you listen to as much roger whittaker as i have today, it's very hard not to have a good day 16.17.42 # i mainly work with jack, which is THE reason to switch to linux 16.17.56 # i work with jack as well 16.18.03 # coding for it, that is 16.18.09 Quit TCK (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.18.10 # what? 16.18.17 # ambisonics decoder/encoder 16.18.25 # cool 16.18.29 # academic style surround sound, hehe 16.18.29 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC") 16.18.36 # i wish i could program in c... 16.18.45 # never too late to learn 16.18.52 # but i guess you've heard that before :P 16.19.17 # the only thing i did was programming a midi redirector for alsa... 16.19.26 # but it was copy and paste mostly 16.19.35 # and it took me like 4 hours 16.19.57 # not bad without knowing c, hehe 16.20.05 Quit aliask (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.34 # the problem with learning c is that i don't know where to start exactly... i understand close to nothing and i want to write a plugin for rockbox for example 16.20.36 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@chan530-a076.otenet.gr) 16.22.08 # i once bought a book, from cerningam ritchie or similar... helloworld and that stuff 16.22.57 # but i just don't want to work through all of this.... i guess that's what you mean by learning, he 16.23.28 # hahah 16.23.30 # indeed 16.23.34 # you more or less have to 16.23.51 # the key is starting at the bottom, but with a certain something to work towards in mind 16.24.23 # just trying to learn a language with nothing to use it for in mind never worked for me, so i guess it all depends on how complex what you want to make is 16.24.34 # exactly 16.24.45 # and audio stuff is not trivial at all 16.24.52 # and thats what i want to do 16.25.16 # coding audio applications for live interaction with my computer 16.26.20 # what's involved in giving a setting an additional value? 16.26.28 # maybe i shoud try to code some more midi stuff... 16.26.50 # lokki: no, you're right in that 16.27.03 # coding audio does have a pretty high learning curve 16.27.09 # midi is simpler 16.27.17 # but again, not so interesting, at least if you ask me, hehe 16.28.03 # yeah, but you are a "senior programmer"... is it your profession? 16.29.37 # at the moment my title is 'researcher' :) 16.29.57 # but yeah, right now i mostly do programming 16.30.15 # and i don't think i'll be senior for a while, i'm just finished with my education 16.30.38 # ok..:) 16.31.38 # bah, I've got the setting working but it doesn't save so everytime I reboot it goes away. 16.33.08 # lostlogic: can't help with that, i'm afraid 16.33.20 # shit. it would need another bit to store an additional value, that's why. 16.35.12 Join henrico [0] (n=henrico@cn-mss-cb01-1705.dial.kabelfoon.nl) 16.44.04 # * lostlogic submits another patch in his infinite quest to swamp rockbox devs with patches 16.44.10 Quit ender` (" The propeller is just a big fan in front of the plane used to keep the pilot cool. When it stops, you can actually watch the") 16.45.16 Quit mirak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.46.29 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.47.27 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 16.50.56 # numeric file sort: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1399242&group_id=44306&atid=439120 16.56.41 Quit t0mas (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.57.46 # trying to compile the simulator and get errors (on linux) 16.58.14 # rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: Relocations in generic ELF (EM: 4)rockbox/rockbox/build/apps/lang.o: could not read symbols: File in wrong formatcollect2: ld returned 1 exit status 16.58.43 # ?? 16.59.01 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 17.00.04 Quit t0mas (Remote closed the connection) 17.02.24 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.02.55 # may is ask if anyone knows a good game for long jurneys? I'm going to austria (from germany) in 3 hours... already have tetrox and bubbles from the custom made games... 17.03.14 # and maybe some rockboy games would be great :) do you know any good ones? 17.05.10 Quit Xerion_ ("l8r...") 17.05.35 Part b0br 17.09.41 # well 17.09.41 # heh 17.09.53 # if you can survive the extreme slowness of rockboy, zelda is good 17.10.44 # okay 17.10.50 # i'll go finding it :) thx 17.14.12 # super mario is great 17.14.29 # its playable 17.20.12 # hmm now it compiles (did make clean) but when i open the sim i can't run plugins... or play audio normal? 17.20.38 Quit |Beowulf| ("KVIrc 3.2.0.99 'Marmalade' http://www.kvirc.net/") 17.22.36 # i get the following 17.22.58 # failed to load /.rockbox/rocks/battery_test.rockdlopen(archos/.rockbox/rocks/battery_test.rock): archos/.rockbox/rocks/battery_test.rock: invalid ELF headerSegmentation fault 17.23.08 # muesli: i read that supermario is too slow 17.23.14 # but u think its okay? 17.23.17 # well i'll try 17.23.27 # i've played loads of times within lectures 17.23.47 # i dont know people are complaining about rockguys speed..its ok for me 17.28.19 Quit lokki ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.36.28 # you've gotta be joking 17.36.31 # it's slow as hell 17.36.57 # why it hasn't been optimised more since god knows when it was commited is beyond me 17.37.06 # especially since it seems to be somewhat popular 17.37.33 # preglow: probably not popular with the kind of people who like to spend their time doing nitty gritty optimization work 17.38.33 # i don't use it much, at least :) 17.38.50 # I've never even tried it 17.39.05 # i tried it, found it incredibly slow, then stopped trying it 17.39.30 # lol -- strange, I tried Tremor, found it slow, and decided to wrestle with it... 17.42.03 # okay mario is okay :) 17.42.41 # well i think rockboxdeveloping is quite hard work... thats why noone tries it :) 17.42.49 # make sure to have some way to charge -- if rockboy uses constant boost, it'll eat battery 17.43.05 # perhaps i'll have a look at in in a week when i'm back... but i'm not that good ^ 17.43.11 # oeh i mean rockboy not rockbox 17.43.26 # lostlogic: well, yeah, there is a reason i haven't tried optimising it since 17.43.33 # oh yes i have 3x 2100mAh nimh with me :) (3*4 batteries) 17.43.36 # or the video plugin 17.43.37 # heh 17.43.43 # that should be enough for 2x 10 hours 17.44.45 # holy batteries batman! 17.44.59 # ? 17.45.08 # haha 17.45.10 # that's a lot of juice 17.45.21 # yeah :) 17.45.23 # i need it ^^ 17.49.41 # am i right that there is no voltage regulator in the batteriepack? cause i made my own just with 4 batteries connected to the powerconnector... 17.50.01 # (yeah late to ask this ^^ it charges since 5 minutes ago) 17.50.41 # Matze: that is correct -- it's just a pack afaik -- the power supply in the player can handle charge input between 4.5 an 6.5 V if I recall correctly. 17.51.10 Quit DJDD_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 17.51.35 # the unit itself has a regulator 17.51.40 # or at least i'd strongly hope so 17.51.51 # i tried with a regulateable ac adapter (dunno right word, has stepless regulation option ^^) and it charges even if the voltage is 0,1V above the actual batteryvoltage (b ut then only very slow) 17.52.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.54.47 # Matze: at 4.3V it charged? That's out of spec, I'd worry about burning up the power supply chip doing that too much 17.55.26 # dinner time 17.58.30 # lostlogic: i only tried it for a short time... but why should it burn up with a too low voltage? charging system is only a current/voltage limiteer I think, so just a small mosfet... if there is not enough "primary voltage" it cant charge, thats all i think 17.58.58 # well i've never looked at the schematics or datasheets of the charging circuit but i think it works like this 17.59.36 # and... i tried charging with 3,8V btw, when battery had 3,7V it draw about 50mA from my source 17.59.59 # well i can not guarant that battery was charging, but i assume this 18.01.13 # Matze: hmm, you may be right -- hmm..... I know the power supply has step up and down modes, but those must be for the output to the internal components, not for the input from the charger -- low voltage burnups occur when step up hardware is forced to operate out of spec... 18.02.21 # yeah that is true 18.02.33 # but there is definitively no stepup for charging 18.03.00 # nice undervoltage protection for rechargeable batteries you charge with... 18.03.00 # k 18.03.25 # 0,9V*4=3,6V 18.03.56 # and if internal battery is nearly full ne need over 4,2 volts to charge it further 18.04.12 # ok, so here's the question -- people haev burned up the charging circuit by using bad AC adapters -- how do you think they did this? 18.04.21 # so "normal" alkalines wouldnt even be drawn empty 18.04.33 # i think this was done by wrong polarity 18.04.44 # or maybe unstabilized (correct?) adapters 18.05.00 # adapters that output 7V with no load for example, and 5V with 2A drawn... 18.05.11 # or even worse 18.05.37 # original power supply is a switching supply with nearly exact 5V output 18.05.42 # no matter what load 18.05.51 # *nod* burned the mosfet from too large an Voc meaning the voltage would climb as the battery neared full charge... ouch. 18.06.04 # Matze: you an EE? 18.06.08 # EE? 18.06.14 # Electrical Engineer 18.06.16 # oh no ^^ 18.06.23 # i'm just interested in electronics 18.06.32 # 17 year old pupil :) 18.06.55 # :) nice 18.08.10 # well do you have any example for an ac adapter someone burned his iriver with? 18.09.29 # no, would have to search on misticriver 18.10.04 # okay 18.10.05 # actually the datasheet for the PCF50606 shows 0-15V Vchgvin (charger voltage) with 2.7 volts as the threshold for detecting a charger. 18.10.20 # yeah that's what i measured 18.10.38 # software shows charging symbol even with 3,0V connected 18.10.43 # but it drains no current from that :) 18.10.48 # *nod* 18.10.59 # so battery will DISCHARGE (cause LCD is powered from battery) 18.11.36 # cant we measure the Powersupplyvoltage with internal ADC? or is it only connected to battery? 18.11.37 # yeah, I've had that happen. 18.11.55 # still reading the datasheet 18.12.59 Join birdfish [0] (i=bfisher@mail.affidavitmaker.com) 18.13.04 # i dont this this would be in datasheet.. or maybe charging circuit outputs this over I2C? (does it have that?) sorry i have little time so i'm not searching myself ^^ but i thought about the coldfire CPU, it has ADC which is connected to the battery. doesnt it has a second adc channel? 18.13.14 # oh first this=think 18.14.07 # the coldfire would have to read the charger state from the PCF50606, which looks like it's just 1 bit of a status register so it doesn't show voltage, just says whether it's over 2.7V or not 18.14.33 # okay 18.14.57 # it has an I2C interface, I'm seeing if there's a way to read it there. 18.15.00 # well i just realize i have another hour ^^ argh misread my clock :) i'm going to austria in 1 hours 40 minutes 18.15.07 # hah :) 18.15.11 # yep, i'll try that too 18.16.47 Join b0br [0] (n=d5a8b399@labb.contactor.se) 18.18.11 # okay we have 4 selectable ADC inputs in coldfire cpu... we only need to know what is connected there 18.21.01 # okay and: pcf50606 has 4 adc channels 18.21.15 # 2 of them can handle up to 6.0V 18.21.26 # and in reference design one should measure charging current... 18.21.44 # this is quite interesting i think, we only need to know if it's connected like reference design 18.22.21 # oh 50606 has own rtc? do we use that one or is there another one 18.22.21 # ? 18.22.22 # perhaps we want to set the detmod to 1 so that we only detect a charger when the voltage is > Vbat+100mV 18.22.26 # we use that 18.22.31 # okay 18.22.41 # yeah detmod=1 would be great 18.22.55 # so we are sure it is charging... 18.23.22 # I wonder if that's hardwired or configurable 18.23.25 # *pokes around a bit* 18.24.31 # that must be reachable through I2C 18.24.40 # cause it is not in the pinning information -> no pin 18.25.19 # it is 18.25.26 # hm? 18.25.30 # reachable via i2c 18.25.38 # hafta figure out how 18.25.50 # ahhh 18.25.58 # okay i thouhgt u mean it is in pinning information 18.27.40 # well i'm sorry but i have to go offline now.. 18.27.56 # i'll be back in one week :) 18.28.13 # good bye 18.28.34 # laters! 18.28.36 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.29.10 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 18.31.27 # is there anyone here who's involved in codecs coding ? 18.31.32 # especially MPC 18.35.47 # nobody ? 18.38.48 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.39.21 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-95.bna.bellsouth.net) 18.43.14 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A85C31.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.47.45 # NicoFR: preglow is the mpc man I think 18.48.50 # ok ths i'll wait till he comes back from dinner 18.53.30 # let's find out what the main battery charge registers tell us! 18.58.51 Quit henrico ("[BX] iT's bEttEr tO bUrN oUt tHaN tO fAdE aWaY") 19.16.32 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 19.19.41 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-30-8.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.19.46 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.20.24 # I have to leave soon but I think preglow or any other MPC coder could be intereted by what I have to say 19.20.43 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB069CA.ipt.aol.com) 19.20.44 # I get a strange noise on some MPC files 19.21.02 # sort of sharp, high pitched buzzing sound 19.21.34 # salut 19.21.48 # it starts at the end of at least one particular track (ie it does it on one of my songs and maybe others but not all) 19.22.02 # salut 19.22.29 # and then it goes on on other MPC tracks that follow in the playlist 19.23.02 # it seems to stop when I go back in the playlist but not if I step forward 19.24.32 # I'll post this in the forum but I'm not registred so I will do this when I find time... maybe someone could point this out to preglow when he comes back... thanks 19.26.15 # weird -- the charger changed charge voltage settings for some reason that I cannot discern. 19.35.42 # anyone have thoughts about enabling charger control on the H3x0? 19.35.47 # seems a reasonable thing to do 19.37.19 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 19.37.31 # NicoFR: the mpc buzzing is a known issue: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1859.0 19.37.49 # preglow is well aware of it 19.52.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.52.22 # We definitely need more initialization of the power control module. 19.54.04 Join |Beowulf| [0] (n=Beowulf@82-46-57-180.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.55.16 # i know, know 19.55.23 # i was thinking of trying to fix it today 19.55.28 # but it's such a hard bloody bug to debug 19.55.55 # if someone's got a five second track exhibiting the bug, please send it to me 19.56.20 # preglow: know anything about I2C? 19.56.43 # the shortest one i've got is four minutes, and it's not exactly fun having to wait four minutes to see if i've fixed the bug all the time 19.56.49 # lostlogic: i know how it works low-level, not much more 19.57.04 # I assume that I2C r/w is orders of magnitude slower than GPIO r/w? 19.57.18 # oh yes 19.57.33 # that is, it depends how many gpio pins you use 19.57.48 # if you're just using one pin it depends on what clock rate you use 19.58.06 # i2c isn't really slow, but it is 1 bit serial 19.58.09 # preglow: what do you think about a rockbox feature freeze so we can get a new release including iriver H1xx? 19.58.38 # markun: i think it's worth a shot, but i wont be able to contribute seriously for a little while 19.59.13 # how does buffering works ? I mean does it takes ressource to load something from drive to ram ? 19.59.31 # markun: i think it's worth waiting a little but anyway, just to see if more people wakes up again 19.59.37 # would be nice having timid around for it, hehe 19.59.41 # there is a caching thread or something ? 19.59.51 # mirak: no, the playback thread does it 20.00.02 # mirak: and yes, it takes resources, as the hard drive is spinning and working 20.00.10 # * lostlogic plays with enabling manual charge control for H3x0 and initializing the PCF50606 instead of counting on it to be in a sane state. 20.00.14 # can it shout down the playing ? 20.00.24 # preglow: it's done in background, right ? 20.00.28 # well, yeah 20.00.41 # mirak: researching buffering for the video player? 20.01.00 # well the libmpeg2 have a status flag 20.01.23 # in fact you just give him a buffer and run a parse, then it says if it decoded something or if it needs more data 20.01.38 # How far are you from a simple mpeg player? 20.01.55 # actually the buffer is just filed for every 2 frames somehing like that 20.02.07 # markun: it's still not ported to rockbox 20.02.28 # but it read mpeg2 and extract to files 20.02.34 # great 20.02.43 # I used the sample4 20.02.49 # without mallocs? 20.03.04 # it's like xvid, I created a fake malloc with a static buffer 20.03.14 # the malloc are done just once at the begining 20.03.36 # like xvid other mallocs could happen in case the video is resized in the stream 20.03.41 # but it won't happen anyway 20.04.45 # preglow: what I was wondering is when you reach the end of a buffer and that you need to rebuffer if the loading of data from file can stall everything 20.05.02 # preglow: what I was wondering is when you reach the end of a buffer and that you need to rebuffer, if the loading of data from file can stall everything 20.05.21 # and then I think I fried my player by fucking with the power cord too much. 20.06.15 # lostlogic: really? It's dead? 20.06.44 # mirak: haven't you tried rockbox or what? :P buffering obviously works while music is playing and buffering is happening 20.06.51 # lostlogic: ouch, how? 20.06.52 # markun: I think it's time to port it to rockbox 20.06.57 # it got warm, and trying to boot either firmware seems to have issues spinning up. 20.07.24 # preglow: the power adapter I have at home has been a little bit iffy and I was plugging and replugging it repeatedly. 20.07.35 # preglow: lol, yes I have. I was wondering how it worked. I will not bother with that for now 20.08.19 # preglow: what I was wondering is when used with a very intensive codec. If it uses 98% of cpu, I guess it will stop playing music when caching 20.09.10 # in fact the xvid exemple uses a buffer that is refilled when it reaches the half of it 20.09.36 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.09.40 # but I think it's useless unless the loading is concurrent and in another thread 20.09.48 # bah, I can hear it try to spin up the HDD but it cuts out 20.09.54 # fried PCF50606 my guess 20.10.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB069CA.ipt.aol.com) 20.11.38 # gonna let it cool and see if it comes back, but I doubt it. So, what should my next player be? :-D 20.13.15 # hahaha 20.13.16 # ipod! 20.13.35 # on a related note, that chip should be replacable 20.14.19 # am i the only one getting track skipping in the beginning of tracks when they're being buffered? 20.15.46 # preglow: on vorbis? I still get that during applause on some particular tracks. 20.15.56 # s/get/got until I fried my player by being a moron/ 20.17.27 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 20.17.27 Quit DrMoos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.19.33 # lostlogic: nah, just had it with both vorbis and mpc 20.19.49 # besides, the tracks are q5 20.19.55 # it's a playback buffering bug 20.19.59 # the playback system still has plenty of bugs left 20.21.17 # *nod* 20.21.54 # Hmm... any idea where I could find an international H340 with no battery and no harddrive? 20.22.40 # why'd you want that? 20.23.09 # because I have a 2200mAh battery and a 40G hard drive right here, but I killed the power supply chip. 20.23.15 # why not just order a chip? 20.23.28 # no way I can do that soldering work. 20.25.07 # don't know anyone who can=? 20.26.14 # don't think so 20.28.46 Join San [0] (n=test@213-202-171-191.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 20.30.32 # lostlogic: :(( it's too bad.. 20.31.27 # today, i had a dream i bricked my player -> nightmare 20.32.36 Join lokki [0] (n=d5bd8e78@labb.contactor.se) 20.32.48 # petur: are you there? 20.33.28 Join [San] [0] (n=test@213-202-171-191.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 20.33.41 # hello all 20.33.47 # i enabled the remote control buttons for recording... (not the display) 20.33.52 # anyone seen TiMiD around recently? 20.33.56 # no 20.34.09 # can anyone commit my WPS instead? 20.34.28 # TiMiD said he was going to when he got his connection fixed, but that was like November :s 20.36.33 # anybody knows something about the peakmeter? (on iriver) 20.37.09 # well, what about it? 20.37.19 # can it be enabled on the remote? 20.37.45 # sure, someone just needs to code it 20.37.56 # ok :) 20.38.07 # so it's not there yet 20.38.30 # i don't know if recording from the remote will ever be possible 20.38.37 # without too much noise 20.38.43 # hmm... 60G ipod video is in my future, I think... so much for my m68k coding skills 20.39.08 # haha 20.39.27 # do a post and see if someone's got a dead h340 20.39.39 # yeah, I will post on MR and see 20.39.41 # it's not long since someone came in hear and announced he'd broken his 20.39.44 # here 20.39.56 # lostlogic: there is a wiki page about spare parts... 20.40.11 # put a request there too 20.40.34 # hummm 20.40.44 # #ifdef ARCH_X86 20.40.44 # static void state_restore_mmx (cpu_state_t * state) 20.41.07 # I have a macro ARCH_X86, I don't get why it doesn't skip that code 20.41.19 # I mean that macro is not defined 20.41.23 # I hope 20.41.28 # is it ??? 20.41.39 # I build for H300 target 20.42.13 # preglow: does Rockbox-IPOD play music yet? 20.42.31 # preglow: if i enable the remote buttons for the recording screen and menu, i get clicky sounds on my recorded files (from line-in with no source attached!) 20.45.28 Quit joshn_454 ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 20.46.03 # what's the preprocessor command to display something ? 20.50.23 # ok sorry ... 20.50.30 # it was in the config file 20.51.23 # lostlogic: play and play, heh, it does play it, but full of gaps and noise 20.51.33 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.51.36 Join Vapour-X [0] (n=randomge@spc1-pete4-3-0-cust174.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) 20.51.36 Quit Vapour-X (Client Quit) 20.53.30 # preglow: haha, makes me unable to really buy an ipod replacement, because all my audio is OGG and apple's firmware doesn't do ogg :( 20.53.36 # indeed 20.54.01 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 20.54.24 Join Vapour-X [0] (n=randomge@spc1-pete4-3-0-cust174.asfd.broadband.ntl.com) 20.54.32 # finally got on! 20.54.47 # hi san and paprica 20.54.57 # hi 20.54.58 # =] 20.55.26 # by the way paprica i gave up on space invaders lol 20.56.11 # =\ 20.56.32 # and asteroids, i decided i cant code c 20.56.39 # shame really.... 20.56.45 # but it was to confusing... 21.03.34 # preglow: how did you managed to use fprintf on stderr and don't get errors ? 21.03.50 # i've never done that 21.03.57 Join joshn_454 [0] (n=kvirc@ool-182d4545.dyn.optonline.net) 21.04.02 # preglow: ok 21.04.12 # you're probably looking at code i had to comment out to make it work 21.04.16 # preglow: what's the best thing I can do to remove the error with a minimum of effort ? 21.04.21 # ok 21.04.23 # remove what error? 21.04.26 # ahh, right 21.04.27 # no idea 21.04.32 # you'll have to implement fprintf 21.04.32 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@vp089013.reshsg.uci.edu) 21.04.36 # lol 21.04.41 Join webguest22 [0] (n=519f13c0@labb.contactor.se) 21.04.41 # no I won't 21.04.56 # hi 21.04.58 # but I was wondering if macros could help to transform maching lines 21.05.27 # preglow: for exemple tell the preprocessort to remove lines matching printf(.*) 21.05.31 # does anyone know whether there is a plug in for any pokemon or zelda games for the H1X0? 21.05.38 # rockboy 21.06.02 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 21.06.12 # sorry to be n00bish but i have only just installed rock box for the first time just now 21.06.22 # so not reallty undertanding rock boy? 21.06.46 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 21.06.50 # rephrase, please, incomprehensible 21.07.01 # Seed: hiya 21.07.18 # i only just installed rockbox but dont understand it very well , and would like to know hoe to play pokemon or zelda? 21.07.47 # 1. you need to find the rom files from some site, 2. you need to copy them to the player, 3. you need to just select them in the file browser 21.07.47 Part Seed 21.08.01 # will .gb files work? 21.08.03 # yes 21.08.23 # ah. i was getting confused by the ideas of plug ins and things like that 21.08.28 # thanks a lot for your help 21.08.38 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 21.08.38 # can anybody advise any good games for rock boy? 21.08.39 # beware that rockboy is almost unusable 21.08.46 # it needs work badly 21.09.01 # i have read that, but i would like to try it anyway 21.09.04 # sure 21.09.17 # can anybody advise any good games for rock boy? 21.09.21 # more or less the only games i played on gameboy were some of the mario ones, and one zelda one 21.09.24 # they were all good 21.09.55 # right , 1 last thing . wheres the best place to get the roms from? 21.12.02 Join newnick [0] (n=519f13c0@labb.contactor.se) 21.12.14 Quit webguest22 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.12.25 # hi everyone 21.12.31 # hulo 21.12.54 # where do people get their roms for rockboy from? 21.13.22 # just search on google for gameboy roms 21.13.32 # ok then 21.13.34 # cheers 21.13.37 Quit newnick (Client Quit) 21.15.15 Quit [San] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.21.37 Quit lokki ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.31.52 # anyone here using rockbox on ipod? 21.32.00 # RotAtoR: you got any short files that trigger the mpc problem? 21.35.49 # not any shorter than serveral minutes 21.36.56 Join lostlogic_ [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 21.36.59 Quit lostlogic_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.37.14 # i'll take a quick look through the shortest songs... 21.39.25 # just the shortest you can find will do 21.39.34 # the shortest i have is seven minutes... 21.40.47 # that's no fun for debugging 21.40.57 # i'll see what i can come up with 21.44.44 # found one that's 1:33 in length, can i dcc it to you? 21.49.49 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 21.49.49 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.49.56 # mpc problem? 21.49.57 # what sort? 21.50.01 # i'm just curious 21.50.24 # a buzzing problem 21.50.32 # you can read about it here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1859.0 21.50.37 # thanks 21.50.45 Quit Sixtiz ("Parti") 21.50.48 # just curious since i used to use musepack a long time ago 21.51.13 # also Porcupine Tree are cool :) 21.51.31 # hehe, one of my favorites ;) 21.52.01 # so... whats everyone listening to on their rockboxed daps? ;) 21.52.02 Join San [0] (n=test@213-202-171-191.bas504.dsl.esat.net) 21.52.06 # hey 21.52.11 # hi san 21.52.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.52.18 # The Who - Quadrophenia, currently 21.52.18 # hey 21.52.33 # hey san think you can come on msn? 21.52.57 # dpassen1: cool 21.53.10 # i'm on now 21.53.11 # :D 21.53.14 # so i see 21.53.15 # lol 21.53.20 # :D 21.58.09 # i don't listen to my DAP when i'm at my computer 21.58.09 # but 21.58.21 # i am listening to Frameshift - Unweaving the Rainbow 21.58.28 # excellent album 21.59.12 # that's the James LaBrie album, right? 21.59.16 # yes 21.59.22 # i have both Frameshift albums 21.59.31 # Sebastian Bach sings on An Absence of Empathy 22.00.28 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d081124.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.00.58 # I don't think i've ever listened to frameshift, but maybe i should, i'm a fan of DT 22.03.16 # as am I 22.03.50 # you've heard Ayreon - The Human Equation right? 22.03.59 # Hmm... say I want rockbox on iPod to act nearly as possible just like it did on the iRiver (because I have no intention of every using iTunes), is that planned to be possible? 22.04.07 # yup, i own that album :) 22.04.11 # :D 22.05.09 # and you know that after that Arjen Lucassen and Marcela Bovio did Stream of Passion - Embrace the Storm right? 22.05.59 # no, i didn't hear about that 22.06.38 # it was good 22.07.08 # ::blink blink:: iPod is dual core... rockbox SMT! 22.09.24 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.09.34 # lostlogic: that _is_ the plan 22.10.06 # damn, also has hardware mpeg4 acceleration... that thing's a beast. 22.10.36 # it is 22.10.39 # * lostlogic breaks down and buys one and prepares to optimize Tremor for something new :-D 22.10.43 # and you should know that before buying it, btw 22.10.54 # there is one chip in it that is virtually unkown 22.10.57 # unknownm 22.11.02 # the chip that does the video decoding 22.11.13 # and that talks to the display 22.11.29 # which is why the display is so slow on the 5g 22.11.39 # according to linuxstb, it isn't so slow 22.12.24 # it's not too bad until you try to play audio while updating the display. Then it goes down to 2 or 3 fps 22.12.33 # do you think it is reasonable to hope for iPod 5G vorbis playing by say March? That's really the only thing very important to me 22.12.36 # what, they've got audio working? 22.12.49 # lostlogic: i have no idea 22.12.56 # RoTaToR, you're here... I have something for you :) 22.12.59 # i wont have (much) time to work on it about a month 22.13.00 # preglow: I should really read topics ;) 22.13.17 # saa[b_r]ider: ok, send it on over :) 22.13.24 # joshn_454: ipl people have sound working now? 22.13.27 # preglow: I am almost done mpeg2 22.13.31 # /home/karim/Prog/src/rockbox/builddir/apps/plugins/libmpeg2/link.lds:4 nonconstant expression for origin 22.13.31 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status 22.13.36 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 111 (Connection refused)) 22.13.37 # I have that error on linking 22.13.43 # I just made a screen for bubbles! I'll post it at MR now 22.14.01 # preglow: I can deal. Hopefully I can help too! 22.14.03 # cool, i'll check over there 22.14.21 # preglow: no, but you can play audio. It's just that no sound comes out 22.14.44 # can decode audio, and send it to the bitbucket you mean? 22.14.44 # i wonder how apple deals with it 22.14.48 # right 22.15.03 # they way it's used now is mainly just for compatability with ipod diagnostics 22.15.06 # or at least that's my guess 22.15.28 # iPL people are working on faster screen rates, IIRC 22.15.34 # yes, but it'll be hard 22.15.44 # they'll need to reprogram the broadcom chip, afaik 22.16.32 Join henrico [0] (n=henrico@cn-mss-cb01-1705.dial.kabelfoon.nl) 22.18.08 # i wonder if they've tried contacting broadcom 22.18.35 # broadcom is infamous for refusing to release docs, aren't they? 22.19.01 # btw, how does rockbox deal with the COP now? does it just ignore it? 22.19.21 # i put it to sleep, then never wake it 22.19.55 # ok 22.20.02 # i'll wake it when it's got something to wake up to 22.20.54 # sure 22.21.11 # man, I wish we had docs for the new wolfson chip 22.21.18 # you know if it's very different? 22.21.24 # i fucking _HATE_ not having docs 22.21.27 # god, it sucks 22.21.38 # it's the only major component that's changed from the nano re: sound 22.21.46 # especially when the only reference you is the ipl source, which also isn't very friendly 22.21.53 # true 22.21.54 # yeah, know, it's very similar 22.23.00 # preglow: I don't know the reason, but the other plugins are OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-m68k) I don't know why this one is set arm 22.23.25 # preglow: so are you sorta a bridge between ipl and rockbox? 22.23.41 # well, i tend to hang out in #ipodlinux to ask questions 22.23.53 # not so much a bridge as a nagging nuisance, hehe 22.23.58 # heh 22.24.47 # I just got a video for the sole purpose of getting rockbox on it, so I'm rapidly moving into that same role :-) 22.25.41 # ahh, cool 22.29.12 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.net) 22.29.43 Join Rob- [0] (n=robbie@haylott.plus.com) 22.31.52 # RoTaToR: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=368925#post368925 22.32.03 # preglow: any idea why it would default to arm ? 22.33.00 # mirak: i have no idea at all 22.33.02 # looks strange 22.33.28 # saa[b_r]ider, very nice 22.33.38 # merci :) 22.33.48 # at least I can do "something" :D 22.34.11 # maybe I can't write code, but I can do a little bit of photoshoping ;) 22.34.11 # ooooh 22.34.12 # that game rocks 22.34.57 # preglow: i've got a nicely working version posted in that thread ;) 22.34.59 # I finished all 100 levels a few months ago :D I never knew I'd be able to play it on my iRiver before, or I would've waited ;) 22.35.08 # even has ipod support... :D 22.35.14 # RotAtoR: and the controls will be SUPER on ipod 22.35.27 # yup, scroll to aim should work well 22.35.46 # * saa[b_r]ider admits that preglow is right 22.35.57 # now, one game left: 22.36.00 # puyo pop 22.36.19 # where'd you get the gfx, btw? 22.36.29 # from frozen bubble 22.37.14 # so RoTaToR, can this be implemented? 22.38.05 # saa[b_r]ider: it looks good, it should be fairly easy to implement 22.38.30 # very nice... 22.38.37 # I can do a splash screen as well 22.38.59 # i don't know if i want to outright right rip off all the frozen bubble graphics though... 22.39.12 # why not? 22.39.14 # not gpl? 22.39.20 # it is gpl 22.39.22 # goodie 22.39.30 # but it still seems like cheating :p 22.39.38 # haha 22.39.41 # but the gfx are nice 22.39.49 # that they are 22.39.50 # we can add it as a port of their game, on their official page 22.40.13 # but no need for the penguin motif, rockbox is not linux... 22.40.55 # saa[b_r]ider: but it's not actually a port per se... it's written completely from scratch 22.41.18 # only the graphics and stages... right 22.41.48 # right, just used their data, not their code 22.42.00 # still, i like the gfx 22.42.17 # i didn't even see they were penguins, heh 22.42.25 # fine, i'll use them for now :p 22.42.32 # :) 22.42.40 # they do look very good 22.42.54 Join mc365 [0] (i=mc_365@pool-70-23-185-175.ny325.east.verizon.net) 22.43.01 # thanks saa[b_r]ider! 22.43.11 Quit mc365 (Client Quit) 22.43.12 # on the contrary, thank you ;) 22.43.21 Join mc_365 [0] (i=mc_365@pool-70-23-185-175.ny325.east.verizon.net) 22.44.03 # need advise 22.44.24 # btw, what image format are the "bubbles" in? 22.44.45 # I love the iPods egronomics but I absolutely need gapless 22.45.13 # I thought iPods supported gapless AAC or something 22.45.14 # should I get an iriver and do rockbox or get an iPod and wait for the port 22.46.03 # you have to make 1 big file and bookmark it 22.46.08 # mc_365: depends on your prioraties 22.46.36 # which iRiver are you considering? 22.46.59 # H300 or H100? 22.47.00 # I can wait but I need gapless as it would be primarily hooked to the stereo so I don't have to always play from my network 22.47.30 # Are the H10 20gb supported yet 22.47.35 # nope 22.47.46 # only the two I mentioned 22.48.15 # saa[b_r]ider: the graphic just need to be bmps so they can be run through bmp2rb 22.48.18 # now look at this 22.48.26 # I thought I read on dapreview it was working on the H10 22.48.29 # the good david bryant has mailed me with a possible solution to the musepack problem 22.48.35 # nice! 22.48.49 # good thing i didn't start debugging already, then 22.48.54 # i'll give it a test now 22.48.58 # works on codecs that aren't even his! 22.49.06 # does he even have a rb capable player? 22.49.09 # sure 22.49.14 # he has a h140 22.49.22 # ahh, ok 22.49.32 # how else was he supposed to be able to code wavpack support? :P 22.49.48 # mc_365, it does not work on the H10.. h100, yes (sometimes refered to as H1x0 or H1xx) 22.49.48 # heh, i suppose that would be a td hard... 22.49.55 # and annoying 22.49.56 # s/td/tad 22.50.05 # time for some coding music 22.50.24 # rotator, so the little circules are bmps? 22.50.49 # mc_365: H300 are discountinued 22.51.21 # saa[b_r]ider: yes 22.52.10 # do you use a certain color for transperancy? 22.52.21 Join webguest09 [0] (n=acc85d3d@labb.contactor.se) 22.52.27 # Hi 22.52.41 # Why do companies hate gapless 22.52.54 # saa[b_r]ider: nope, there is no transparency support for color bitmaps 22.53.03 # I would like to try the current version of rockbox on my ipod, just to see what the interface looks like 22.53.11 # how are the edges not overlapping then? 22.53.33 # the outside circle is monochrome... each bubble is actually two images 22.53.41 # so I guess I have no choice accept the iPod or a refurb Karma 22.53.50 # the inside color images don't overlap 22.54.17 # ifp port patch posted 22.54.46 # I hope Rockbox works on the iPod soon 22.55.03 # saa[b_r]ider: it's a bit ugly, but it's the only way i can use color bubbles 22.55.09 # man I just had a waking nightmare about making rockbox work in SMT... there are a lot of places that assume nothing's changed unless they explicitly went to sleep. 22.55.44 # actually it looks good. I was wondering if there was a way to fix the graphics in bejeweled 22.56.00 # nope, not at the moment 22.56.23 # soon maybe :) 22.56.39 # not bad, seems my arm startup code works on ifp as well 22.57.03 # * amiconn finally got a H340 22.57.06 # :-) 22.57.11 # btw, I'm trying to work on a RB specific background, that's not a frozen bubble knock off ;) but don't expect it anytime soon! 22.57.19 # amiconn: just as I kill mine, yay! 22.57.31 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.57.53 # lostlogic: What happened? 22.57.56 # amiconn: what, another iriver? 22.58.00 # saa[b_r]ider: nice, thanks 22.58.04 # amiconn: ipod! 22.58.10 Quit webguest09 ("CGI:IRC") 22.58.16 # amiconn: I fried it messing with my cheap power adapter trying to learn about the PCF50606. 22.58.21 # preglow: That's _very_ unlikely 22.59.03 # this'll end with me buying you one, you know ;) 22.59.18 # Really? ;) 23.00.02 # if i become a millionare: yes 23.00.03 # Rockbox on the ipod will probably for the first time make Rockbox cover more players than any known single person owns 23.00.49 # I don't like the iPod hardware. Unfortunately it's the most widespread player brand afaik 23.01.16 # i don't like it either 23.01.27 # that is, it's ok, but i want docs! 23.01.56 # #mr is telling me that the iPod DAC is a lot worse than the UDA1380, any thoughts? 23.02.02 # Bagder: what's the position on the ifp port? 23.02.17 # lostlogic: i don't really know, i haven't used mine for listening to music yet :PP 23.02.22 # I haven't check his patch but I would like to see it merged 23.02.22 # giggler 23.02.24 # preglow: what could unset in plugin.lds the variable CONFIG_CPU ? 23.02.35 # mirak: god knows, nothing should, are you sure it's unset? 23.02.39 # I added a #warning 23.02.41 # loo 23.02.45 # k 23.02.51 # lostlogic: but yeah, the general consensus is the ipod audio quality isn't really tops 23.03.00 # lostlogic: If that is so, then the iPod dac must really suck. The UDA is already worse than the MAS integrated DAC... 23.03.02 # #ifdef CPU_COLDFIRE 23.03.02 # OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-m68k) 23.03.02 # #elif CONFIG_CPU==PP5020 23.03.02 DBUG Enqueued KICK mirak 23.03.02 # #warning hello 23.03.02 # OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-littlearm) 23.03.03 *** Alert Mode level 1 23.03.03 # #else 23.03.05 # OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-sh) 23.03.07 # #endif 23.03.18 Quit Vapour-X () 23.03.32 # for all the linking it's ok and go into #ifdef CPU_COLDFIRE doing OUTPUT_FORMAT(elf32-m68k) 23.03.56 # however for the last plug I created it enters in #elif CONFIG_CPU==PP5020 23.04.04 # I am sure of the because the warning is displayed 23.04.12 # that/the 23.04.44 # CPU_COLDFIRE looks totally wrong 23.04.48 # I have grepped and serached the code but I don't see any undef 23.04.57 # CONFIG_CPU should be MCF5249 23.05.08 # CPU_COLDFIRE is right 23.05.15 # it's a define for all coldfires 23.05.19 # ah 23.05.21 # just as CPU_ARM is a define for all arms 23.05.33 # so we don't need endless #if CONFIG_CPU == lolcpu || chains 23.05.43 # right, its in config.h 23.05.49 # yea 23.06.04 # I am searching why suddenly the variable is unset 23.06.14 # please if you can 23.06.15 # http://www.magefa.gadgetim.co.il/index.php?id=Paprica1136693314 23.06.18 # join in 23.06.28 # i can win an ipod nano 23.06.33 # =\ 23.06.42 # mirak: it isn't unset in the CVS sources, right? 23.07.21 # I haven't synced cvs for some time now 23.07.42 # if it would, no build for irivers would work 23.08.28 # yes, especially here, only the plugin I added have that problem 23.10.58 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-165-55.dsl.pipex.com) 23.13.04 *** Alert Mode OFF 23.13.06 # i think the current ifp patch will break ipod 23.14.13 # maybe there is a global unset somewhere 23.14.18 # how would it look like ? 23.14.27 # #undef 23.14.42 # I would assume you just messed up the #include in the top of the lds file 23.15.04 # or possibly messed up some of the generic defines the config.h file needs 23.16.14 # I didn't changed the lds file in the top 23.16.28 # hem 23.17.24 # would it be possible the config.h of mpeg2 override the one into plugins ? 23.17.30 # yes 23.17.33 # indeed 23.17.33 # yes 23.17.35 # rename it 23.17.36 # they need to be renamed 23.17.45 # oK :-/ 23.17.47 # that's the reason _all_ config.h in the codecs are renamed 23.19.18 # Not only config.h. Gnuboy had an lcd.h which needed to be renamed for rockboy. Such problems are sometimes hard to track down. 23.19.39 # indeed 23.19.48 # on a more positive note, you probably wont go in this trap again :) 23.20.04 # and it reminded me of its existence 23.20.07 # I hope so... 23.22.02 # the SNR on the wolfon codec datasheet most similar to the iPod video one is indeed worse than the UDA1380 23.23.15 # The UDA has rather poor channel separation 23.25.09 # amiconn: it's a 100dB SNR, 90dB separation on wolfson and 90/100 on UDA 1380 (for the DAC) 23.25.56 # I don't believe the 100 dB channel separation. If it's not the UDA, it's some other part of the iriver hardware that produces the poor channel separation 23.26.14 # poor channel separation ? 23.26.20 # what do you mean ? 23.26.24 # i don't think the uda is the culprit 23.26.30 # gah, swap those numbers, the wolfson has the better separation and worse SNR 23.27.18 # I did a test: Set volume to max, balance to one extreme. Put the loud earpiece away, preferably under a cushion or such. Put the quiet earpiece into the ear. 23.27.28 # the headphone driver in the UDA1380 shows between 60 and 74dB separation, so that's where htye get coupled 23.27.32 # When I do this with an archos, I don't hear anything 23.27.46 # On the iriver I can hear the music very well 23.28.17 # ..and thats in spite of the fact that the maximum volume of the iriver is lower than that of the archos 23.28.27 # the wolfson does not list a channel separation number for the headphone driver 23.28.33 # you can hear 60db seperation 23.28.53 # this should be pretty easily measurable 23.28.54 # if the music is 100dB in one ear, then you should be able to hear it pretty fine? 23.29.13 # i only have digital inputs on this rig, though 23.29.17 # so no can do 23.29.52 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.29.52 # * preglow notices the a/d unit sitting next to him 23.29.59 # ahh, the problem is now that i don't have a cable 23.30.20 # the "analog output" channel separation is 85dB on wolfson 23.30.26 # way better 23.31.13 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.31.14 # preglow: if that's the right measurement -- it doesn't call that the "headphone out" number, which is the number ranging from 60-74 (depending on load) on the uda1380 23.31.42 # Ah, MAS3587 crosstalk attenuation (headphone output): 80 dB 23.31.59 # then ipod beats archos 23.32.07 # Yes, by a few dB 23.33.33 # does it seem like it'll be reasonable to leave the COP off for normal music decoding, and only turn it on for things like rockboy + music, or will we use it as a 'boost processor' for music playing as well? 23.33.55 # This is with 16 Ohm headphones, for which the UDA datasheet lists 60 dB typical (minimum 55 dB) 23.34.05 # 55 dB is compact cassette level... 23.34.52 # lostlogic: we'll use the cop for decoding, probably 23.35.19 # lostlogic: there'll be no dynamic scheduling of tasks, one of the two cores will be used for a specific thing 23.35.32 # preglow: ahhh... my nightmare of SMT fades. 23.35.33 # this is in order to keep the scheduler simple 23.35.37 # cool. 23.35.52 # i don't want rockbox to end up looking like linux :-) 23.35.59 # :-P 23.36.06 # I guess I'm settled on buying an ipod 5g then 23.36.06 Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@82-32-84-226.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.36.56 # has anyone managed to hunt down the datasheet for the _actual_ wolfson chip in the iPod or are we going off of the 'nearest' and what iPL can figure out? 23.37.15 # has anyone any experience of opening up an Iriver HP120? 23.37.44 # lostlogic: no datasheet for that chip 23.37.57 # man, that is harsh. 23.38.03 # lostlogic: which is also the case for the nano chip, but they have managed to find a sheet that's very similar 23.38.37 # that's what coding for ipod is like 23.38.40 # unfortunately 23.38.44 # ...or how to fix one after an incorrect charger was plugged in? 23.38.51 # miner49er: you don't fix that 23.38.57 # miner49er: you toss it in the scrapyard 23.39.02 # miner49er: that usually fry it badly 23.39.08 # miner49er: that's basically what I did to my H340 today ;( sucks. 23.39.12 # no? okay then, forget I asked. 23.39.35 # miner49er: how does it behave? 23.40.39 # lostlogic: you inserted an incorrect charger several times??? 23.41.16 Join ^Guest37784 [0] (n=Paprica@CBL217-132-247-105.bb.netvision.net.il) 23.41.47 # preglow: I don't know the exact details, my brother did it and then sent it up to me. 23.42.01 # miner49er: well, yeah, but what does it do when you try to turn it on? nothing? 23.42.05 # preglow: the charger meets specs, but it's cheap and I know it has had shorting problems, which I had 'fixed' by the angle it was at -- I futzed with it today while the iRiver was plugged... poof. 23.42.10 # preglow: all I know is he tried to charge with a UK Nokia charger (he bought it in the US) 23.42.29 # the "Nokia Syndrome" 23.42.32 # it kills 23.42.52 # lesson: use the friggin iriver charger 23.43.06 # miner49er: well, yeah, i'm afraid it's probably dead then 23.43.13 # the hd might still live 23.43.16 # * amiconn has to be very careful with the chargers 23.43.31 # The archos charger plug also fits the iriver socket 23.43.36 # preglow: It will come on, if i've left it for a while and then use my Archos charger (I know that's not the right spec either but I just tried it) but the HD doesn't spin up at all (it says low battery) and then after a while it gives up and dies. 23.43.53 # more responsive than i'd thought 23.44.07 # then it isn't as fried as it can be 23.44.11 # :-) 23.44.13 # This is what made me think, it may be salvegable 23.44.28 # I recall Linus' one having the CPU killed 23.44.36 # I wonder if the charging circuit or battery is just knackered? 23.44.45 # I'm pretty sure mine is just the power supply chip, but I'm not able to resolder that if I could even get my hands on a new chip 23.44.50 # miner49er: probably the power supply chip 23.44.51 # miner49er: Maybe you just fried the charging circuit 23.44.55 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.45.04 # lucky you in that case 23.45.54 # amicon: is the circuit a simple one that can be replaced? Or could I bypass the circuit and power the board directly? and then just use it for testing code on? 23.46.36 # it would be nice to get something out of it, other than a tiny HD! 23.46.36 Quit Paprica (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.46.41 # You can't bypass it. Charging LiIon without proper limiting is dangerous 23.46.51 # are there high res pics of the ipod 5g around? 23.47.04 # Dangerous as in 'may catch fire or even explode' 23.47.28 # miner49er: H120, right? 23.47.38 # amiconn: what about supplying voltage to the board directly from a PSU without a battery plugged in? 23.47.40 # The charging chip itself is this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/bq24022.pdf 23.47.47 # amicon: yeah, that's right 23.49.05 # Maybe supplying the power to the board directly will work, if you find the right place to connect it 23.49.17 # RotAtoR: you here? 23.49.28 # It would be a good test whether the rest of the unit still works ok 23.49.58 Nick ^Guest37784 is now known as Paprica (n=Paprica@CBL217-132-247-105.bb.netvision.net.il) 23.52.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.53.47 # amiconn: it's all academic a the moment anyway, because I don't even have the right tool to open the thing up :-) 23.54.17 # found a place to _buy_ wm8758, but still no datasheet. 23.55.43 # does anybody know about progress on recording in lossy format (mp3 of vorbis)? this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/EncoderDiscussionMP3 doesn't sound very optimistic, but this http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2321 does.. 23.55.55 Join webguest05 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 23.56.49 # the mp3 encoder works pretty well 23.57.11 # yeah, but i need online.. 23.57.24 # i actually don't know why it's not commited 23.57.27 # source is messy 23.57.38 # and there's always the patent discussion 23.57.49 # maybe still legal issues? 23.57.59 # yes 23.58.56 # Isn't that also the case with decoders?