--- Log for 01.02.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 17 days and 17 hours ago 00.00.08 # BHSPitLappy: oh, that, of course i haven't gotten it out, it's always in! 00.00.14 # of course 00.00.15 # XavierGr: Start in the middle and get the when you have your fingernail in the middle between the plastics, them slide to the edges. 00.00.47 # ok I will try 00.01.43 # slimx: How is the lcd driver coming along? I assume it's displaying text if you saw that ATA error code. 00.01.49 # what the HELL 00.01.57 # first attempt at eq on arm, and it bloody works 00.02.11 # Now _that_ deserves awards 00.02.49 Join CoasterMaster [0] (i=CoasterM@crown-6-45.resnet.ucsc.edu) 00.02.53 # Bagder: should have m68k and distcc setup on lostlogicx.com, other targets coming online as they compile. 00.04.18 # * Cassandra wanders why it's impossible to get a 60GB iPod photo on eBay 00.04.21 # lostlogic: ok, cool. will try it out more tomorrow as I'm off to bed soon 00.04.33 # I got problems in my end that distccd didn't find my compilers 00.04.39 # make sure you have the path set for them 00.04.46 # yes it does linuxstb 00.04.47 # :) 00.04.59 # nice fonts 00.05.23 # i get the ride of the vert mono bitmap 00.05.37 # Bagder: I will try to make sure. 00.05.43 # slimx: so is it getting near completion? 00.05.55 # Oh, I lie, it isn't. Although they seem to be the same as iPod video. *confused* 00.06.30 # Cassandra: Where are you from? 00.06.38 # UK 00.06.42 Join Maxime` [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.be) 00.06.49 Join owang [0] (n=80723ca7@labb.contactor.se) 00.06.53 # me nods. 00.07.09 # nods? 00.07.23 # work on progress 00.07.23 # i hope ata will work 00.07.23 # linuxstb, what is the ipod_hw_rev 00.07.25 # in the ipod.c 00.07.31 # nods in approval of my response to your question 00.07.33 # hey preglow, are you there? 00.07.36 # i just did an update from current cvs 00.07.39 Join Membrillo [0] (n=cb59493a@labb.contactor.se) 00.07.44 # new variable ? 00.09.07 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.09.08 Quit owang (Client Quit) 00.09.45 # What he said. I'm from the UK. 00.10.00 # ah ok. 00.10.01 # morning all 00.10.27 Join SK [0] (n=cb59493a@labb.contactor.se) 00.10.28 Quit Membrillo (Client Quit) 00.10.36 # didn't worked linuxstb 00.10.38 # slimx: It's the ipod hardware revision. So far, it's only needed in the iPod Color/Photo LCD driver, but I thought we may as well have it on all iPods. 00.10.40 Quit SK (Client Quit) 00.10.51 Join webguest41 [0] (n=cb59493a@labb.contactor.se) 00.10.55 # mm 00.10.56 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1413195&group_id=44306&atid=439120 00.11.00 # slimx: Do you get the same error? 00.11.05 # good night... 00.11.05 # yes 00.11.08 # -32 00.11.11 # :p 00.11.15 Quit webguest41 (Client Quit) 00.11.17 # (please check the patch) 00.11.18 # i am very impressed with my coding skills 00.11.30 # memory map problem somewhere i guess 00.11.37 # distcc is cool 00.11.41 # Bagder: word 00.12.08 # slimx: Is the definition of "current_tick" in system.h correct for your iPod? 00.12.39 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa233.4.tellas.gr) 00.12.49 # distcc[7627] 19241 bytes from language.c compiled on lostlogicx.com in 0.9593s, rate 20kB/s 00.12.58 # slimx: I meant kernel.h 00.12.59 # :( Not a single day of joy and I will have to RMA it. I can't be so unlucky..... 00.12.59 Join owang [0] (n=owang@dhcp-60-167.cse.ucsc.edu) 00.13.10 # i'll check it right now 00.13.11 # I can't wait until I can understand all this stuff :) 00.13.18 # w00t! 00.13.18 # cassandra: at ebay.de are enough http://search.ebay.de/ipod-photo-60_Mehr-als-40-GB_W0QQcatrefZC6QQfclZ3QQfromZR10QQfrppZ50QQfsooZ2QQfsopZ3QQftrtZ1QQftrvZ1QQga10244Z10425QQsacatZ96299QQsalisZ77QQsaprchiZQQsaprcloZQQsatitleZipodQ20photoQ2060Q2a 00.13.19 # The fucking USB OTG chip seems to be broken. 00.13.30 # that's slow. 00.13.33 # lostlogic: m68k works neato 00.13.43 # probably not the best to be doing it across an ocean :-P 00.13.52 # XavierGr: Sure that it isnt only the cable? 00.13.53 # hehe 00.13.56 # and of course I'm compiling two other compilers at the same time 00.14.07 # no linuxstb i didn't make any work around 00.14.10 # this header 00.14.12 # wait, they're done, all targets should now be functional. 00.14.13 # :) 00.14.26 Quit owang (Client Quit) 00.14.32 # Rob2222: With a multimeter I tried to check the cable. I didn't saw any short circuits so... 00.14.43 Join owang [0] (n=80723ca7@labb.contactor.se) 00.15.24 # slimx: You need to replace 0x60005010 with 0xcf001110 for the PP5002 00.15.54 # Cassandra: Where is the problem to get an 60GB ipod photo? BTW, the video has a bigger display afaik. A really nice display. 00.16.09 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 00.16.09 # XavierGr: BTW, got that unit open? 00.16.35 # Rob yes, I removed the HD and fiddled around a little, but no go to my problem 00.16.39 # XavierGr: Hmm, and you get a error message even with simply connect the usb-otg-adapter cable? 00.16.45 # XavierGr!!! 00.16.49 # one warning 00.16.53 # I will have to remove the motherboard to do more, but I don't think it worhts the effort 00.17.08 # pay attention when rebuild the drive 00.17.20 # ive bricked mine by using the wrong side 00.17.38 # muesli__: The drive cant be build in wrong with normal force. :p 00.17.58 # muesli__: You have to much powe rin your arms ;) 00.18.03 # yeah, you cant close it 00.18.11 # Rob yes, I only connect the cable (with or without any other device) and I get the same error. 00.18.20 # but when you turn it on you hdd is broken 00.18.57 # XavierGr: And you have no USB cable in the adapter cable? 00.20.16 # I didn't get that? 00.20.38 # I just connect the USB host cable on the Browser and the error pops up. Nothing else 00.21.00 # XavierGr: and you didnt have a normal USB cable connected to the USB-OTG adapter cable? 00.21.07 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 00.21.11 # i have an compile error now in kernel.c linuxstb 00.21.15 # kernel.c:29: error: syntax error before "volatile" 00.21.47 # Rob2222: With or with out a normal cable connected to the USB host cable I get the same error 00.21.52 # * BHSPitLappy doesn't want his ipod to explode 00.21.59 # ah, I get build errors with make -j that we need to fix for distcc builds to work fine 00.22.28 # yup 00.22.40 # shouldn't be impossible, though, most of rockbox build should be parallelisale 00.22.45 # insert 'b' where applicable 00.22.46 # yes 00.23.07 # is there a good place to upload a large amount of code? 00.23.13 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 00.23.14 # I just tried a build with two remote build hosts 00.23.23 # XavierGr: And you checked all pins against all others (6 combinations) agains a short? 00.23.23 # slimx: You need to add PP5002 to those #ifdefs 00.23.28 # I'd like to put the doom code I have up for other people to look at it they would like to 00.23.55 # how much is "large" 00.24.08 # slimx: i.e. #if ((CONFIG_CPU != PP5002) && (CONFIG_CPU != PP5020)) || !defined(BOOTLOADER) 00.24.10 # Rob2222: There are 4 pins (and the outer shell) in the A plug and 5 pins (and the outer shell) on the mini side 00.24.10 Quit Maxime (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.13 # 400k 00.24.40 # Only shortage was between the left most pin with the previous one but I think this is in the specifiacation 00.24.59 # If you could check it I would be obligued 00.25.05 # Bagder: I said that earlier :-P 00.25.16 # that it breaks? 00.25.27 # XavierGr: Ill check, mom 00.25.36 # oh well, doesn't matter. it still does ;-) 00.25.40 # ok, son? 00.25.52 # :P 00.26.00 # kkurbjun: I can host it for you 00.26.04 # Bagder: taht it's not parallel make friendly -- my workstation is dual proc so I tried it first thing when I started working on the project 00.26.20 # should be fairly friendly 00.26.56 # XavierGr: OK, big end to my side and pins at the bottom. Now you mean pin 1 & 2 are short when "1 2 3 4", right? 00.27.22 # bagder: where should I send it? 00.27.24 # Bagder: Can you simply use distcc to do an entire build remotely? 00.27.33 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-49-249.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.27.34 # (on one server) 00.27.38 # kkurbjun: so, how's porting going? 00.27.53 # linuxstb: well, the entire cc operation at least, yes 00.28.07 # kkurbjun: are you going off of iDoom, or porting from the original source? 00.28.10 # the make and link etc is still local 00.28.13 # preglow: it works, but I don't know where the graphic problems are coming from.. sometimes it crashes starting a new game 00.28.30 # kkurbjun: how's the speed? 00.28.33 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-231.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.28.52 # BHS: I was working off digita doom, looked into idoom, both are based off the original source.. I also looked into prboom 00.28.58 # preglow: ok, not great 00.29.06 # but I have some ideas for improvement 00.29.10 # speed's good in iDoom at lease :D 00.29.13 # same error linuxstb 00.29.33 # :O 00.29.33 # but I dunno how the other players' specs are, so I'll shuddup about that 00.29.58 # there's some optimizations that prboom did that look interesting, and the mixed math stuff would be easy to do in asm 00.30.09 # kkurbjun: use iram? 00.30.41 # I havn't tried yet since it's not really working yet 00.30.55 # XavierGr: Still there? 00.31.45 # slimx: Which files in firmware have you added PP5002 support to? 00.31.47 Part CoasterMaster 00.34.45 # lcd 00.34.51 # i2c 00.34.55 # ata 00.34.58 # cpu 00.35.01 # kernle 00.35.27 # system 00.35.55 # backlight 00.35.58 # thread 00.36.01 # usb 00.36.46 # button, power and serial 00.36.54 # eof 00.36.55 # :) 00.37.16 # quite a flood 00.37.21 # sorry 00.37.21 # What player has the PP5002? 00.37.28 # certain ipods. 00.37.30 # The older 1G-3G ipods 00.37.30 # ipod 3g 00.38.10 # slimx: nice... what does the m1 have? 00.38.12 # mini1? 00.38.31 # PP5022 IIRC 00.38.53 # The hardware is described at http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 00.39.45 # So mini1 is PP5020 - the mini2 is PP5022. 00.39.51 # thx linuxstb 00.40.39 # I'm not sure what to suggest now.... 00.41.12 # i know :p 00.41.38 # what are the files to check 00.41.46 # for the ata support 00.41.47 # You could try removing the other ???_init() calls in bootloader/ipod.c 00.41.58 # should go through includes ? 00.42.05 # slimx: Nothing. But you can look to see what external functions are needed. 00.42.39 # I would search the code in firmware for either "PP5020" or "IPOD" and make sure you've done the correct thing for your ipod. 00.42.58 # Both .h and .c files 00.43.13 Quit gromit` (Remote closed the connection) 00.43.53 # Hopefully it's just a simple mistake. I can't see any other differences in the ipodlinux ata driver apart from what I made in that ata.c 00.44.40 Quit owang ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.44.47 # in ipl source 00.45.04 # i can see it in ipod-ide ? 00.46.18 # Most of the ATA driver is in the standard Linux kernel. The ipod-specific parts are in ipod-ide.c and linux/include/asm-armnommu/arch-ipod/hardware.h 00.46.51 Quit ender` (" In the beginning, there was nothing. And God said, 'Let there be Light.' And there was still nothing, but you could see a bi) 00.48.00 # ok 00.48.31 # Hello all...I have a font related question - I found a few fonts on rasher's site (sourced from xorg) that work very well with the H3xx and presumably the ipod displays. How would I go about requesting they be added to cvs? Sourceforge feature request/patch? 00.48.45 # what can i do to get the port in cvs ? 00.48.59 # things like lcd-ipod2bpp 00.49.11 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit`@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 00.49.22 # can be used for other targets .... 00.50.17 # kkurbjun: where does it look for .wad files? 00.50.43 Join webguest50 [0] (n=acd5d939@labb.contactor.se) 00.50.54 # Hi 00.51.26 # When Rockbox is released on the iPod, do you still have to use the hidden iTunes database? 00.52.14 # webguest50: At the moment, you *can't* use it. :-P 00.52.20 # Well, not from within Rockbox. 00.53.14 # It simply uses the file tree browser to find and play songs. 00.53.21 # oh right like the iRiver/ 00.53.33 # linusn:w_wad.h 00.53.36 # oops .c 00.53.51 # webguest50: Yes - and also like every other Rockbox target 00.53.52 # in d_main it calls a routine to que up the wad files 00.53.53 # yes, but where do i put my wad file? 00.53.56 # And will it be easy to install when its officially released? without having to do a lot of downloading, compiling? 00.54.01 # oh, sorry, /doom/ 00.54.06 # ok 00.54.10 # webguest50: The general idea is that any player running Rockbox will operate as similarly as possible to any other. 00.54.17 # sorry... did some1 say doom ????? 00.54.17 # webguest50: You don't need to compile now. 00.54.24 # on rb?? 00.54.29 # i have a 60gig ipod video 00.54.32 # webguest50: But yes, hopefully someone will write a "point and click" installer. 00.54.45 # :-) 00.55.03 # would love to see a manual eq in iPod rockbox, and the ability to make multicoloured wps's 00.55.14 Quit webguest57 ("CGI:IRC") 00.55.36 # multicoloured wps's are there now, and the eq is there, but without any user interface..... 00.55.44 # ok 00.55.55 # Finally is a peak meter possible on the iPod? 00.56.30 # Yes, Rockbox has a peakmeter, it's just not wired up to the iPod's audio driver yet. But it will definitely happen. 00.57.08 # ok fantastic! 00.57.13 # kkurbjun: i see what you mean with "not stable" :-) 00.57.30 Join ssnajper [0] (n=c635c9fe@labb.contactor.se) 00.57.39 # : ) 00.57.54 # yeah, most of the time it freezes on the melting screen 00.57.58 # a green peakmeter with red peak-ends would look awesome 00.59.15 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.59.36 # fps esimate? 00.59.39 # estimate... 00.59.46 # fair 01.00.11 # * LinusN chooses "Hurt me plenty" 01.00.27 # * JdGordon wants to play doom :'( 01.00.34 # * LinusN too 01.00.36 # :-) 01.00.41 # it freezes all the time 01.01.30 # it can't exit out of the program and it doesn't seem like the buttons are working right now.. do they for you linusn in the game? 01.01.47 # i haven't come that far 01.01.52 # I had them working before, I'll have to look into that 01.02.08 # it freezes before i get the chance to play 01.02.20 # do we have doom on the iriver, too? 01.02.27 # yeah, it seems like its a bit of a timing issue 01.02.37 # sometimes I can get in and sometimes I can't 01.02.40 # Rob2222: i'm running it on h320 01.02.59 # LinusN: can you get multiplayer working? :) :p 01.03.04 # haha 01.03.17 # ye, multiplayer over usb-otg :D 01.03.21 # cool, I want to play, too :) 01.03.23 # kkurbjun: no sound :-( 01.03.39 # hehe 01.03.40 # nice midi 01.03.44 # And as next game pls Battlefield 2 01.03.59 # doom? on... iriver? 01.03.59 # : ), yeah, I hadn't gotten to that with the graphics problems and all that 01.04.07 # * JdGordon puts up hand to make the ipod-one-click-installer.. if no1 else has 01.04.32 Quit ssnajper ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.04.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.04.46 # I'm kinda stuck with that and I don't know really how to find the problem 01.04.58 # * LinusN checks his BLASTER variable 01.05.10 # * preglow commits tight assembler 01.05.22 # : ) 01.05.27 # * LinusN opens .rockbox/AUTOEXEC.BAT 01.06.22 # Heee 01.06.46 # i gotta get some sleep 01.06.48 # nite all 01.07.02 Quit LinusN ("Who is General Failure and why is he reading my disk?") 01.07.58 # with _just_ enough registers 01.10.09 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.11.31 # JdGordon: Do you know wxWindows/wxWidgets ? 01.13.38 # i guess i'll avoid doing a hitnrun commit tonight 01.15.56 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.15.56 Quit Furious_G (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.16.01 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-079.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.16.21 Join Furious_G [0] (n=none@dhcp165152.reynolds.fsu.edu) 01.17.41 # * linuxstb commits peakmeter support for ipod 01.18.03 # oooh, great 01.18.09 # and just in time for me to install before i leave 01.18.41 # preglow: Have you tried crossfeed on your Nano? 01.18.54 # what's crossfeed? 01.19.06 # another way to say crossfade? 01.19.39 # No - it's delaying each channel and feeding it to the other. i.e. the left channel gets a little of the right channel and vice-versa. 01.19.40 Nick Sinbios is now known as Natsuki (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560829.sympatico.ca) 01.19.58 # It simulates the delay you hear when listening with speakers. 01.20.05 # linuxstb: no 01.20.08 # linuxstb: should i? 01.20.12 # It's broken. 01.20.22 # You just get loud whitenoise 01.20.34 # I can still hear it..... 01.20.56 # hmm 01.21.15 # does the peakmeter still lag behind audio? 01.21.17 # I can't see how it's an attractive feature :P 01.21.44 # linuxstb: no 01.21.46 # peak meter is way more responsive on my nano than my iriver 01.22.39 # don't know what i think about that sample skipping deal 01.22.56 # anyone tried peak meter with no sample skipping? 01.22.59 # linuxstb: i was gonna do it as a console app which automates the proccess instead of a gui app.. so it can still be compiled on lunix 01.22.59 # I don't know if I've implemented it correctly, but it looks OK to me. 01.23.36 # JdGordon: That would be useful. I can help make it work on Mac OS as well. 01.24.11 # JdGordon: It can be distributed with the bootloader-*.bin files compiled into it - so it's just a single .exe file for windows users. 01.24.45 # linuxstb: peak meter really kills mp3, though 01.25.08 # if you want.. 01.25.29 # JdGordon: I'm just thinking how it can be made as simple as possible for the user. 01.25.38 # *sigh* 01.25.40 # The bootloaders won't change very often. 01.25.42 # we really need to work on our codecs 01.26.00 # only codec peakmeter really works well with here is falc 01.26.01 # flac 01.26.05 # and i assume that's because it's fast 01.26.54 # crossfeed doesn't output white noise 01.26.59 # i can still recognize the music 01.27.00 # heh 01.27.14 # it's just drowned in a some high pitched jittery stuff 01.27.32 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.27.32 Quit webguest50 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.28.02 # Maybe it was just the song I had - I was too deafened to make sense of it.... 01.28.47 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.29.12 # it isn't correct at any rate 01.29.16 # but i have no idea why 01.29.32 # preglow: The peakmeter seems fine with a 160kbps MP2 file. 01.29.42 # it's lagged as hell here with 112kbs mp3.. 01.30.32 # linuxstb: doesn't work too well here on a 192kbps mp2 01.31.51 # You're right, it is lagging badly. 01.32.04 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 01.32.14 # Good job most of my music is FLAC... 01.32.34 # pfff 01.32.35 # wellwellwell 01.32.40 # we'll have some serious fun with this 01.32.49 # you find out how long the audio fifo is? 01.33.15 # No, I never tested. 01.33.21 # I'll have a quick look now. 01.34.09 # we must be doing something wrong, btw, ui isn't lagging this badly when h1x0 is decoding at 40mhz 01.34.37 # and it's doing the exact same things 01.35.03 Quit Rob- (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.35.26 # my left headphone broke :( 01.35.50 # preglow: Yes, I'm sure we are. 01.36.34 # but yes, it sounds logical, right? 01.36.41 # it too is decoding under a strain 01.36.46 # probably more of a strain than we are 01.36.51 # and still manages to not lag 01.37.32 Quit Genre9mp3 () 01.42.53 # My H300 only brings 4,7V at the USB OTG 5V line. maybe thats the cause some USB devices doesnt work with the H300.... 01.42.59 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 01.43.15 # i've gotta sleep 01.43.36 # Rob2222: there's lots more reasons than just that 01.43.50 # Rob2222: the linux kernel source is *full* of devices that don't adhere to the USB spec. 01.43.50 # The fifo is 32 bytes... Which gives about 5500 FIQs/second 01.45.53 # ouch 01.45.58 # and it's fixed-size? 01.46.04 # does ipodpatcher.c compile on linux? 01.46.14 # I wish gcc had testicles. 01.46.22 # I fell a strong need to kick it in them. 01.46.39 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.46.45 # JdGordon: No, it's win32 specific. 01.46.54 # it's got several other protruding growths 01.46.56 # ok 01.46.58 # warts and such 01.47.07 # tentacles 01.47.08 # JdGordon: The linux equivalent is simply "dd" 01.47.14 # (more or less) 01.47.42 # ok then... i could make it gui then.. i assumed it was linux compat which is why i was gonna do it console so it was easy to port 01.48.22 # I was thinking of a wxWidgets GUI - so it could be integrated with Cassandra's work-in-progress Rockbox installer. 01.48.53 # ok, ill leave it then he can do wxwidgets 01.48.54 # But maybe it would be too much to try and do everything in one application. 01.48.55 # Wow! Life imitates Rockbox April Fools - someone just submitted a Rockbox Doom port. 01.49.06 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.49.27 # linuxstb, nah - that's what dlls were invented for. ;) 01.49.38 # wouldn't try running it on archos, though... 01.49.39 # anyuway 01.49.41 # i've gotta sleep 01.49.42 # later 01.49.55 # gnight 01.51.45 # (and why I need to re-architecture the installer to be more modular) 01.51.51 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 01.56.42 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.02.37 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@vp089013.reshsg.uci.edu) 02.06.46 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 02.07.38 Quit slimx (Remote closed the connection) 02.10.29 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 02.11.42 Join fairway [0] (n=fairway@217-162-180-7.dclient.hispeed.ch) 02.12.54 # ah 02.13.02 # volume is working 02.13.03 # finally 02.15.04 # "finally?" 02.15.13 Quit AliasCoffee ("Leaving") 02.15.14 # volume control on the ipod 02.15.23 # it was not working 2 days ago 02.15.57 # Yeah, but 2 days is pretty quick for a "finally" type statement 02.16.06 # kk 02.16.18 # * BHSPitMonkey congratulates fairway for all the time he's put into this project 02.16.21 # :D 02.17.00 # no problem 02.17.03 # guys 02.17.04 # :D 02.17.28 # though the screen problem is still there 02.18.22 # fairway: Patches are welcome. 02.18.27 # Hehehe 02.18.53 # And if you have any spare time do you think you could port it to the iPod 5g? 02.19.11 # linuxstb: will get into this when exams are over 02.19.42 # but the new colour skin is nice 02.19.56 # whoever who did it 02.20.07 # Thank you. 02.20.51 # The battery is also in colour but you can't see that yet unfortunately. 02.21.15 # Cassandra: should the boxes with the text in it fit the whole screen? 02.21.30 # If you're using a Nano, yes. 02.21.40 # no the ipod photo 02.21.49 # I'll probably do a bigger version at some point. 02.21.51 # i believe the themes were done for the nano 02.21.54 # ok 02.22.06 # What's the screen problem you referred to? 02.22.17 # it's not exactly a screen problem 02.22.34 # it's just that current themes do not fit the whole screen resolution 02.22.49 # I know. H320 users have the same problem. 02.22.51 # OK, just a theme problem then (or lack of them). 02.22.58 # alright 02.23.04 # When I get back where I can run a sim, I'll get to it. 02.23.07 # I've just been trying the H300 themes from here: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35964 02.23.15 # i think themes are pretty easy to port 02.23.23 # Actually, if you mail me an iPod colour, I'll fix it the moment it arrives. 02.23.27 # Some of them work - but there are a few features missing in CVS Rockbox that those themes are using. 02.23.34 # Can't say fairer than that, can you? 02.23.41 # Hahaha 02.23.48 # Cassandra: I can mail you the UI sim.... 02.24.10 # linuxstb, thanks, but I have enough to do for the next few days. 02.24.34 # :) I'll just wait until those H300 wps's work with Rockbox cvs 02.24.40 # I'm ony willing to prioritise for large bribes in the form of hardware. ;) 02.25.17 # ogg vorbis 128kps would do the best on the ipod 02.25.24 # btw 02.25.30 # What do you mean? 02.25.34 # is mp3 playpack gapless? 02.25.50 # linuxstb: tell you what, if you're willing to sort it out, I'll quickly hack you up a background image at the correct resolution. 02.25.57 # for example as foobar2000 does 02.26.08 # As gapless as it can be yes. 02.26.18 # how gapless is that :P 02.26.34 # With a recent lame using the --no-gaps option, very. 02.26.37 # Cassandra: As I said, I'm happy to wait for Rockbox CVS to catch up with those h300 WPSs. 02.26.39 # lame files are 100% gapless 02.26.45 # With other encoders, less so. 02.26.50 # linuxstb, fair enough. 02.26.52 # are there any plans do add background pictures? 02.27.02 # wallpaper 02.27.03 # heh 02.27.03 # fairway: That's because foobar does slow seeking through files - it's not practical for Rockbox to do the same. 02.27.13 # I don't think wallpaper would work currently. 02.27.14 # what about AAC? 02.27.21 # Even worse than mp3 02.27.30 # Those MPEG people.... 02.27.31 # best codec at 128kps is vorbis 02.27.33 # i mean is it gapless 02.27.40 # a bit better than aac 02.27.48 # not really 02.27.59 # That's what I mean - aac has the same problems as mp3 regarding gapless, but without the lame hacks. 02.28.06 # The problem lies in doing scrolling text over the background image. 02.28.06 # (as in the lame encoder) 02.28.10 # exact 02.28.18 # boxes is very careful not to mix images and text. 02.28.26 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.28.54 # yep 02.29.17 # I think vorbis 256kps arent supported yet right? 02.29.22 # Works fine. 02.29.34 # I noticed a small gap one time 02.29.50 # could be only me though 02.30.02 # fairway: That's hardly "not supported" so much as "This is still a long ways from release, and so there are small glitches still" 02.30.06 # did one test battery life for flacs yet? 02.30.13 # The CPU struggles at higher bitrates than that - so if there are high peaks in bitrate then it will skip. 02.30.35 # linuxstb: I see 02.30.49 # But it's still early days - there has been hardly any iPod-specific optimisation of the codecs yet, and we're still only using one of the ipod's two CPUs. 02.31.08 # when will support for the 2nd be added? :) 02.31.28 # No immediate plans. Personally, I want to see how far we can go just using one. 02.31.40 # It will save power if we can ignore the 2nd cpu. 02.31.45 # ok 02.32.59 # With a not fully-charged battery, I managed 4h 50m of FLAC playback the other day on my 60GB Color. 02.33.28 # Sheesh. They badly need a battery upgrade then. 02.33.29 # On the iriver H140, Rockbox manages about 12h-13h FLAC playback on a full charge. 02.33.37 Quit mikearthur (No route to host) 02.33.44 # * Cassandra regularly gets 20hrs out of her H120 02.33.49 # H140 even 02.33.57 # Is that the stock battery? 02.34.00 # Nope. 02.34.03 # Cassandra: H120 doesn't boost on FLAC. The ipod is essentially permanently boosted right now. 02.34.12 # linuxstb: that's awesome 02.34.19 # I don't use FLAC 02.34.33 # Ah 02.34.39 # (when hard disks get bigger, I will....) 02.34.43 # Cassandra: what do you use? 02.34.52 # 256Kbps MP3. 02.35.20 # ok 02.35.26 # does it play gapless for you? 02.36.04 # Well not on iPod because we still have that alternate track is silent bug. 02.36.20 # ahh 02.36.25 # On H140, yes, although I can sometimes here track transitions. 02.36.25 # Cassandra: Does yours go silent every other track, or only when you skip? 02.36.41 # Oh, only when I skip, I think. 02.36.44 # * Cassandra tries. 02.37.20 # Cassandra: same here 02.37.30 # linuxstb: might want to do some performance optimization on the fiq function for iPod playback... either by putting it into assembler or by reading the assembler and reducing the number of instructions in the typical path 02.37.48 # lostlogic: Yes, that's high on the list. But I want to make sure it's correct first. 02.38.21 # The ARM also has special registers reserved for use in FIQ mode - which we don't have to preserve on the stack. 02.38.33 # So there is a lot to be gained there. 02.38.40 # the rockbox menu structure could be simplified by displaying the corresponding options on the right side instead on a new screen 02.39.42 # brb 02.39.42 Quit fairway () 02.39.44 # linuxstb: it is definitely not optimal as the pcmbuf callback was designed for m68k DMA use... might be worth writing a callback where you can ask for a specific amount of data instead of just getting whatever the pcmbuffer wants to feed you 02.39.44 # OK, on Radio K.A.O.S. it just clipped off the end of the track at the transition. 02.39.52 # That's *sort* of gapless. 02.40.22 # linuxstb: how big is the fifo? 02.40.42 # 32 bytes as I discovered tonight. 02.40.54 # So we get about 5500 FIQs/second 02.41.37 # But listening to a couple of other track transitions I'd say that yes, that's gapless. 02.41.42 # jesus. good thing only 1 in 1000 of those will need to call back to the pcmbuf 02.41.56 # Yes, it's not ideal calling the callback from the FIQ. 02.42.17 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACD03AC1.ipt.aol.com) 02.43.01 # would be better to move the fiq to pcmbuf.c 02.43.44 # Mmm. It's definitely a low-level hardware function, so it seems to belong in firmware/ 02.43.53 # (IMO) 02.44.01 # What would be the advantage of moving it? 02.44.15 Join dropandho [0] (n=dropandh@cpe-24-193-36-91.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.44.47 # kick Rob2222 ! 02.44.53 # ^^ :) 02.44.54 # yeah, it isn't a big deal -- I mean the callback to pcmbuf will only happen every 1/5th of a second. Now that I think of it, it doesn't matter, and the same could be said for the DMA saving the jump and memory accesses involved. 02.44.55 # darn- no firefly! 02.45.22 # anyone know if firefly's MultiScreenVKeyboard was being looked at? 02.48.58 # linuxstb: it's fine the way it is. and the functionality looks right, but will want to change to a while(1) loop, terminated by if (size == 0) if (callback_for_more) callback_for_more; else break; for performance when you get to that. 02.51.44 # OK, I may as well do that now. 02.52.14 # gah, except it's wrong... because callback for more may return a size of zero, so if you _do_ the callback for more then you do have to recheck size :( 02.52.35 # the poitn is to avoid the double check on size in the typical 5500hz part 02.53.00 # aack 02.53.08 # I just tried crossfeed and nearly wet myself 02.53.09 # lol 02.53.19 # I warned you..... 02.53.26 # i know 02.53.30 # :) 02.53.30 # had to try :) 02.53.45 # Channels still does nothing? 02.53.51 # even though balance works? 02.55.07 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.55.12 # what cha all werkin on? 02.55.14 # lostlogic: Why would callback_for_more() return 0 ? 02.55.26 # linuxstb: that's the end of playback condition 02.55.39 # linuxstb: or on a buffer underrun 02.55.53 Nick Rob2222_ is now known as Rob2222 (n=Miranda@ACD03AC1.ipt.aol.com) 02.56.39 # linuxstb: so actually if you still have size zero after a callback for more you should turn yourself off 02.56.39 # BHSPitLappy: Yes, that part of the audio driver still needs a lot of work. 02.56.55 # also, does Balance have a weird default? 02.57.03 # or had I been playing with it before it was effective :P 02.57.19 # lostlogic: I think it does. If the callback returns zero, then the interrupt will never be re-enabled. 02.58.07 # Which could be the cause of the track skipping bug. 02.58.41 # shouldn't be -- the next call to pcm_play_start should happen as soon as the pcmbuf reactivated 02.59.17 # linuxstb: unless your pcm_is_playing var needs to be set false in that case and isn't. 02.59.39 # also, music playback is a little... dehabilitated (?) on the nano :P 02.59.48 # ? 02.59.56 # You can't just make up words.... 03.00.00 # nu uh 03.00.06 # ...you festizio 03.00.18 # when music's playing, the menu controls are insane 03.00.42 # linuxstb: ah, yes, you'll wan tot unset pcm_playing when the loop terminates without reenabling the interrupt 03.00.53 # I'm glad playback gets all the priority it can, but menu nav is near impossible 03.01.20 # Yes. FLAC is about the only codec fast enough to not slow down the UI. 03.01.42 # woah... /me just discovered the fade in/out 03.01.43 # lol 03.01.52 # it's not perfect but it's neat that it's in there 03.03.35 # Oddly enough, and this is entirely subjective, it feels like MP3 slows down the menus quite a bit more than equivalent bitrate Oggs 03.04.12 # well could you be a little more objective? 03.04.19 # :P 03.04.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.05.22 # Does anyone knows why the UI is laggy on H300? 03.05.28 # (comparing to H100) 03.05.42 # Because the lcd is a lot slower. 03.05.55 # Same CPU, but a much larger LCD, which is 16bpp, not 2bpp. 03.06.11 # And the driver has been less optimised. 03.06.19 # = optimised less. 03.07.24 # so is it going to be better, or iriver got away with the slow scrolling that has in her menus? 03.07.50 # I believe amiconn is planning to work on it. 03.08.01 # XavierGr: it will get better... how much is uncertain at this point 03.08.13 # slow-scroll on mp3 players? madness! 03.08.27 # Is Rockbox visibly slower than the iriver firmware on the h300? 03.09.17 Join adamd [0] (n=81ea0401@labb.contactor.se) 03.09.50 # iriver has a very slow scrolling speed 03.09.54 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.10.16 # on rockbox it scrolls fast but the button queue is not accurate 03.10.25 # so i leave the button and scrolling continues for 300ms 03.12.32 # how can slow-scrolling even work in menus 03.14.02 # XavierGr: So use play+up/down to scroll large lists 03.16.57 # *goes on a rampage in playback.c removing lines of code. 03.19.29 # xavier- you look at the remote work anymore? 03.19.43 # ? 03.20.13 # when did I look at it after I made a little patch for it before the full implementation of TiMiD? 03.20.20 # you use to do some patches for the remote...wondered if you delved into that anymore 03.20.37 # got it...so no more for u?! 03.20.42 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 03.20.42 # why do that any more? TiMiD's work is in cvs now 03.21.19 # we are still missing some screens and some ideas firefly had for vkeyboard 03.21.59 # Anyway I just sent an RMA mail to iriver, my H340 is a defect. It is sad I paid so much for it and i didn't got a single day of joy. 03.22.25 # what was wrong with it in the end 03.22.35 # wow- what a bummer 03.22.52 # the USB OTG chip (or port) is not working 03.23.05 # bugge 03.23.05 # r 03.23.16 # indeed 03.23.19 # XavierGr: i presume you mean with a device that's known to work under normal circumstances? 03.24.13 # ashridah: In all circumstances, it will not work even with out a device. We did various tests with Rob (multimeter measurements) and all things point that it is defective 03.24.34 # okay, and this is in comparison to a working model? 03.25.04 # ashridah: I gen error whenever I plug the host cable (with or with out device) 03.25.06 # yes 03.25.10 # aah 03.25.11 # right 03.25.27 # were you the one that mentioned it on the mailing list? 03.25.54 # no not the mailing list. I posted on MR about it 03.26.44 # anyway I need some sleep 03.26.46 # later all 03.27.22 # what is iRiver's policy like on replacements 03.27.34 # do they have a stock of H300s left to replace defective models with 03.27.51 # and would they replace my H340 if they found Rockbox on it 03.27.54 # anyone any idea 03.28.32 # bye xavier 03.29.32 # i seem to recall someone mentioning that they rma'ed their player even after rockbox was installed and they didn't seem to mind. 03.30.05 # adamd: They're not *supposed* to replace it when Rockbox is on it, but there's a history of them ignoring it, which should *not* be read as a guarantee that they will. 03.30.13 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 03.30.18 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.30.47 # adamd: Also, I've heard that they generally replace it with a refurbished one (it may be more physically battered, with scratches on the case, but all functional components including the LCD screen, should be "like new" condition) 03.30.50 # *should* 03.31.13 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 03.32.00 # ahh right 03.32.17 # according to an MP3 of a hard drive which has bad sectors on it 03.32.19 # hmm... maybe when I'm trying to plug my USB cable into my phone instead of my H340 it's time to take a break. 03.32.22 # mine has bad sectors 03.32.28 # but it's working fine for the time being 03.32.52 # Small iPod colour BMP fix by linuxstd < I found that moderately funny 03.32.56 # so I'm reluctant to replace it as I'm getting plenty of use out of it right now 03.33.57 # oh, and I've been reading the website but haven't been able to find out... what does USB boot loader mode do 03.34.11 # it just seems to sit there doing nothing much 03.34.38 # allows you to access the drive even if the firmware has gone horribly wrong 03.35.15 # ah, doesn't seem to show the drive on my PC, that's all 03.35.23 # thought that was the idea originally but it didnt show 03.35.48 # adamd: Do you have a h300? 03.50.10 Quit BHSPitLappy ("Dropped my laptop.") 03.50.49 Quit PaulJ ("CGI:IRC") 03.50.54 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@67.64.118.242) 03.57.15 # where does logf save to? 03.58.56 Quit dropandho () 04.02.52 # Is there someone here that knows ARM assembly/architecture that wouldn't mind answering a quick question? 04.07.06 # you need to ask questions before preglow goes to bed :P 04.07.43 # heh. 04.07.56 # and I just don't think linuxst b likes you. 04.08.06 # :( 04.14.35 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.16 Join webguest81 [0] (n=a1b830c5@labb.contactor.se) 04.15.22 # Dammit, I can't stop staring at how pretty colour Rockbox is. 04.15.36 # :/ 04.15.43 # screen dump? 04.25.04 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2404.0 04.25.21 # I'm a bit suprised screen dump worked. 04.26.17 # damn registration :P 04.27.05 # holy crap 04.27.09 # that build was fast 04.27.24 # awesome 04.27.38 # whoops, I hope the makefile hasn't changed 04.27.51 # gah, why... why am I deadlocking on track skip? Softlock I would maybe understand, but deadlock!? 04.29.50 Quit webguest81 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.32.22 Quit RotAtoR () 04.38.13 # kewl 04.38.19 # * BHSPitLappy has color boxes on his nano now 04.39.27 # I would consider writing up a quick port of rockbox for the 3G, but I'd have to get out my editor.. 04.39.31 # and I'm hungry. 04.39.41 # i'm stephen 04.39.45 # lostlogic: God hates you. 04.39.46 # nice to meet you, hungry 04.39.54 # Cassandra: not nice 04.39.56 Join webguest33 [0] (n=a1b82c8c@labb.contactor.se) 04.40.06 # not surprising, I've been saying he doesn't exist my whole life :) 04.40.15 # Is there a CVS tree of the ipod rockbox port? 04.40.17 # Well there you go then. 04.40.27 # imphasing: same CVS tree as teh rest of rockbox 04.40.36 # Alrighty. 04.41.09 # imphasing: slimx (i think) has been diligently working on the 3g port the last number of days 04.41.16 # s/last/past 04.42.09 # Ah, cool 04.42.27 # * Cassandra wonders who is working on 5g 04.42.32 # Heh.. 04.43.02 # So many people; the LCD driver is being figured out at iPL, but the broadcom chip is still giving trouble. 04.44.13 # Cassandra: what, it works on 5G :) 04.44.31 # I installed it on my friend's 04.44.43 # damn ingrate asked me how to uninstall it today 04.44.57 # haha 04.54.16 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.02.10 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB5AD74.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.34 # Thought sound wasn't working on the iPod video yet? 05.03.51 # It shouldn't be... 05.04.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.10.09 # it doesn't... 05.12.12 # Not surprising he asked you to uninstall it then, really. 05.15.10 # not like you don't have the choice of booting to the original firmware.. ;) 05.18.33 Part Paul_The_Nerd 05.19.50 # anyone know how to use logf? 05.20.40 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.24.03 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@203.59.146.102) 05.27.30 # Cassandra: can you put a good word in with that God guy for me, because this is irritating me greatly 05.30.11 # I don't think it'd do you much good. I don't think he approves of my religion. 05.31.00 # If it helps I spent the last day fighting a linker library ordering problem on a project I'm doing for my sister. 05.31.16 # hehe, nice 05.33.41 Nick aegray_ is now known as aegray (n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com) 05.36.33 Join Jolt [0] (n=56280280@labb.contactor.se) 05.37.06 # hello all 05.38.04 # hello one 05.39.04 # hey 05.40.16 # Question: Are these WPS's in the right place? 05.40.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery#iRiver_H300_24Bit_Colour_WPS_con 05.44.39 # huh? 05.45.08 # Sure, although Rockbox doesn't yet support changing foreground and background, so that might be a little confusing. 05.45.25 # Should they be removed for the time being? 05.46.25 # They still look okay with the default colours.......... 05.47.00 # I think they should maybe just add that the patch is required to look like that 05.47.50 # would be handy ;) 05.48.42 # although alot of new patches have been added recently, so maybe it will be added soon enough 05.49.00 # you know about the color patch, right? 05.49.06 # yep 05.49.38 Join Wire [0] (n=Wire@203.156.90.94) 05.49.41 # makin sure :P 05.50.19 # the WPS's I posted, wouldn't look the same without it :D 05.51.00 # excuse me 05.51.06 # maybe someone can help 05.51.07 # me 05.51.24 # my iriver freeze when it runs the rockbox bootloader 05.51.51 # what player? and what bootlaoder? 05.52.06 # ok 10x 05.52.08 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 05.52.16 # yo DT 05.52.25 # iriver 320 firmware 1.29k rockbox 2.5 bootloader v5 05.52.26 Quit Furious_G (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.52.59 Join Furious_G [0] (n=none@dhcp165152.reynolds.fsu.edu) 05.53.03 # Wire: Have you tried re-installing Rockbox 05.53.23 # yep 05.53.35 # it freeze 05.53.43 # and this what its says 05.53.57 # Rockbox boot loader 05.54.00 # Version5 05.54.05 # Batt: 4.14V 05.54.08 # and thats al 05.54.10 # Are you by any chance using the "Optimized Build" on Misticriver? 05.54.20 # so can you boot it into anything at all? the iriver firmware for instance? 05.55.03 # the iriver boot is fine 05.55.32 # i didnt use the mysticriver but i tried to update something and then it crush 05.56.22 # Jolt: I like the knob one 05.56.29 # thanks ;) 05.56.36 # creative 05.57.08 # It was based on a previous skin I have to admit 05.57.13 # yeah 05.57.20 # but alot of editing was needed 05.57.23 # but you must have implemented it right 05.57.23 # yeah 05.58.00 # I think i'm gonna make something simple that uses the blue intentionally 05.58.20 # take users' minds off the monochromeness 05.58.39 # BHSPitLappy, what's wrong with boxes? ;) 05.58.48 # me gusta :) 05.58.48 # there is any chance of resetting all the settings and re install the rockbox? 05.58.55 # that's actually my wps now, Cassandra 05.59.28 # * Cassandra thinks there's a lot of good colour wpses out there. 05.59.37 # wire: hmm. annoyingly, some of the settings are kept in an unused sector on the disk 05.59.41 # but not a lot in the cvs, and that's what matters! :D 05.59.43 # hehe 06.00.27 # and what can i do?! 06.00.37 # i miss the rockbox :) 06.00.41 # get an iPod!! 06.00.41 # Boxes is designed to go with the Rockbox 'theme' though. Simple, functional, utilitarian. Can you tell I can't drive the Gimp as well as the guys on MysicRiver. 06.00.43 # lol 06.00.49 # wire: i'm not sure, but someone here should know. 06.00.59 # i heart gimp 06.01.14 # (though I do more in photoshop :() 06.01.20 # hm 06.01.31 # like those ipod icons i did for the download page :D 06.01.40 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 06.01.48 # Its good to have something plain and inoffensive though. A lot of the slicker ones are very much persona taste as to whether you like them or not. 06.02.09 # Personaly I hate the idea of making my MP3 player look like Winamp, but it seems to be popular. 06.02.12 # Cassandra: the point is you can change them on-the-fly, so it's okay to use them 06.02.19 # (And I'll admit it looks shiny.) 06.02.21 # but change back when you're tired of it 06.02.43 # news! 06.02.44 # http://www.cdpkorea.com/zboard4/data/mainnews/cdpkorea-1138759794-1.jpg 06.02.46 # damnit. why the hell did you people put the damned settings into an unused sector ;) 06.03.18 # I'm persuading myself to pull away from the Winamp style WPS's...... but some of them are incredible 06.03.29 # heh 06.03.40 # I believe it seemed like a good idea at the time. Before my time. 06.04.10 # All those buttons though, What a waste of screen real estate. 06.04.44 # I actually quite liked the Family Guy one. 06.05.01 # wire: i assume you're using windows? the problem is, i have no idea how you can clear the settings sector :/ 06.05.32 # ok 10x 06.05.55 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 06.06.01 # ill try later maybe someone else will help me 06.06.07 # Jolt: there a reason i can't download your color wps's? 06.06.31 # which one? 06.07.00 # either 06.07.10 # Object not found! 06.07.51 # ahhh.... it seems to have put the Rockbox URL in front of the URL where it's actually stored 06.08.30 # http://www.misticriver.net/photos/albums/userpics/19622/JoltSteel.zip 06.08.50 # heh, me dumb 06.08.56 # should have at least LOOKED at the url 06.09.06 # do I need the cfg? 06.09.43 # it helps, for the Foreground/Background color, and Font settings 06.09.58 # maybe i can use old bootloader?!?!? 06.10.50 # Wire: i'm not sure it's the bootloader that's causing that issue. 06.11.12 # * Jolt : Links Fixed 06.11.23 # maybe old one will change the settings 06.11.34 # it won't 06.11.41 # try running a scandisk 06.11.43 # or a defrag 06.11.50 # the check the disk 06.11.55 # on my iriver?!?! 06.12.11 # well, plug it in to the pc first... 06.12.42 # ill try it i hope it wont kill it 06.12.44 Join mythdl [0] (n=de984cad@labb.contactor.se) 06.13.12 # defraging and scanning the disk is perfectly safe 06.13.22 # ok ill doit now 06.13.29 # it acts like a regular harddrive (it basically is...) 06.14.00 # Midgey34: i'm not sure a defrag or scandisk will help him if it's hanging because of weird settings. 06.14.05 # question though: when the bootloader first ran and displayed messages, could you hear the disk spinning? 06.14.17 # i try now 06.14.29 # ash: I'm not positive that's whats causing it 06.15.01 # no sound at all 06.15.27 # no whirling noise when you hold it too your ear? 06.15.36 # no 06.15.43 # hmm 06.16.04 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.17.05 # but in the iriver software all good 06.17.12 Quit Jolt ("back soon") 06.17.28 # so you can load the iriver firmware fine? 06.18.12 Quit mythdl ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.18.35 # yes 06.18.44 # well that's a good sign 06.18.56 # but i hope i can run the rockbox 06.19.14 # have you tried removing the .rockbox directory and reinstalling? 06.20.08 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 06.20.22 # yep 06.20.39 # ill try again 06.20.47 # delete .rockbox 06.23.18 # ok firmware upgrade do not touch :) 06.24.56 # ok finish 06.25.01 # still same problem 06.25.08 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.25.27 # no surprise their honestly 06.25.46 # what happens if you leave the iriver booting for a few minutes 06.26.04 # u mean 06.26.11 # push the play button and the record 06.26.15 # and wait? 06.26.56 # no just press play 06.27.20 # i think it will clear the battery :) 06.27.22 # and have it sit on BootLoader ver 5 06.27.28 # bat :4.12v 06.27.42 # yep 06.27.57 # so it doesn't manage to ever break it even after trying for 5 minutes or so? 06.28.21 # i didnt try 06.28.27 # when it happens i push the reset button 06.28.46 # try having it sit for five minutes or so 06.28.56 # it probably won't have an effect but who knows 06.29.06 # ill try 06.29.14 # ill try anything 06.29.19 # then see if you can enter bootloader USB mode if that doesn't work 06.29.27 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 06.29.28 # it runs 06.29.36 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-231.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.29.44 # if i out the usb it works 06.30.18 # if i put 06.30.34 # so rockbox loads after exiting bootloader USB mode? 06.30.35 # but still nothing happend 06.30.40 # hmm 06.30.41 # no 06.31.39 # well, I'm out of ideas unless you want to try to backup the files onto your computer and run a format in iriver firmware 06.31.50 # possibly check back when more users are on 06.31.50 # i need to delete all the settings of rockbox everything but i dont know how 06.32.00 # ok ill try 10x anyway 06.32.06 # 10x for your time 06.33.05 # no problem 06.33.07 # good luck 06.33.11 # 10x 06.34.46 Quit goa (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.36.10 Quit Maxime` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.36.23 Nick Paul_The_Ner1 is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.36.38 Join goa [0] (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 06.43.50 # Right, I've commited a basic colour WPS for the H3xx and iPod 4G. Enjoy. 06.43.55 # * Paul_The_Nerd cheers 06.44.05 # (Very quick dirty hack.) 06.44.13 # Despite the fact that I have neither of those. 06.44.15 # If you can test, that'd be helpful. 06.44.19 # Ah. 06.44.22 # Yeah 06.44.25 # Me neither. 06.44.27 # Nano and H120. 06.46.07 # Okay, did my hit and run question answering on the forums. :) 06.46.08 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.47.16 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.be) 06.48.41 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.50.06 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.50.06 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.50.07 Quit JdGordon (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.50.07 Quit XavierGr (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 06.51.06 Nick Paul_The_Ner1 is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.52.38 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 06.52.38 NJoin XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp75-adsl-198.ath.forthnet.gr) 07.01.49 NJoin JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.02.59 # boo. 07.03.32 # Cassandra: why didn't you mention nano back there? 07.03.34 # gah 07.03.56 # Erm, cause I did the Nano earlier? 07.04.01 # ah. 07.04.08 # i thought you did them all at once for some reason. 07.04.51 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.05.07 # The H3xx version is a bit of a cheat. I just stretched the boxes on the Nano version to the right size. 07.05.12 # You only made those so my "There's only one for the nano right now, but you can see it if you don't mind that it's too small" post would be outdated. 07.06.06 # Linusn: there's a new patch on sourceforge that may be a bit more interesting to try out, it doesn't crash anymore starting the game 07.06.51 # kkurbjun: How does the game handle different screen sizes? 07.07.02 # kkurbjun: talking about doom? 07.07.27 Quit Furious_G (" Info~[v9.5]~ Released~[October 27, 2003]~") 07.07.38 # it scales them automatically, it creates a lookup table for the screen size and then uses that to draw the screen 07.07.43 # yes, doom 07.07.43 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.07.51 # I borrowed that code from idoom 07.08.10 # Oooh, then I shall try it on my nano 07.08.15 # but I think it can be done more efficiently for specific platforms 07.08.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/doom/ 07.08.26 # * BHSPitLappy is content playing iDoom for the time being :D 07.08.37 # do, I'd be interested to see how it turns out 07.08.52 # It should compile... 07.08.58 # kkurbjun: Okay, there's like... 3 different diffs, and the zip. Which ones do I need? 07.09.08 # Cassandra: yeah, I saw that : ) 07.09.37 # Paul: you need the zip 07.09.43 # Just the zip? 07.09.43 # doom.diff 07.09.48 # and newpatch.diff 07.10.02 Quit TCK- ("I shall not cease!") 07.10.09 # apply doom.diff to your cvs tree 07.10.22 # and newpatch to the doom directory 07.10.28 # but rename it doomold first 07.10.44 # let me see if that works 07.10.56 # doomold? The doom directory? 07.11.29 # yes, I think you need to rename the doom directory in the zip to doomold and then patch it 07.11.36 # but let me check 07.12.10 # oh, no 07.12.19 # you don't need to rename the directory 07.13.32 # Right. Bed. Night. 07.13.32 # hrm 07.13.34 # One hunk failed 07.14.11 # hmm 07.14.19 # it apply's cleanly for me 07.14.24 # kkurbjun: if you get doom running at a playable level, the MR users will worship you as their new god 07.14.34 # Easy fix though 07.14.37 Quit Cassandra (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Try something fresh") 07.15.01 # Would/could it work on grayscale targets too, like iDoom, or just color ones? 07.15.30 # kkurbjun, it works with the simulator? 07.15.33 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484E4D1.dip.t-dialin.net) 07.15.55 # : ), yes, it can work on greyscale, if the code from idoom is brought in, it would be an easy touch. 07.16.06 # paprica: I don't know, I can't build a sim on my system 07.16.12 # ok 07.16.17 # my glibc is too new 07.16.21 # can you send me the rock for the player? 07.16.43 # it needs a patched rockbox.iriver too 07.16.43 # kkurbjun: Building for Nano now. So, in its current state, no point testing it on grayscale targets then? 07.17.04 # Paul: no, the code isn't in there yet 07.17.13 # Okay 07.17.15 # ahh 07.17.16 # ok 07.17.16 # Just gonna build for nano then 07.17.40 Quit Matze41 (Client Quit) 07.17.45 # Well, the nice thing is it didn't conflict with any of my other patches. :) 07.18.06 # Compiled w/ no errors. 07.18.16 # kkurbjun, it works good or very easy? 07.18.37 # : ), paul, one thing I didn't think of is the buttons may not work, I don't know the ipod's button mapping 07.18.46 # Heh 07.18.50 # Also, where do I put the .wad file? 07.18.53 # paprica: no, it works poor now, the graphics are messed up 07.19.00 # ohh 07.19.00 # paul: /doom/ 07.19.02 # ok.. 07.19.08 # In root, or in the rocks folder? 07.19.14 # in root 07.19.17 # Okay 07.19.34 # Doom2 wad okay, or should I dig up my doom1 one? 07.20.09 # any wad will work 07.20.15 # just not well 07.20.18 # : ) 07.20.26 # I don't expect playability 07.20.33 # I'm a *tester* :-P 07.21.26 # : ) 07.22.52 # Hrm 07.22.56 # I'm not sure it actually made doom. 07.23.04 # aren't the plugins modular? 07.23.06 # how's that? 07.23.21 # forgive me for being a rocktard 07.23.23 # Well, should I have a doom.rock or something? 07.23.31 # yes 07.23.33 # oh 07.23.46 # the patch doesn't change you're plugin buffer 07.23.49 # once sec 07.23.55 # Ah 07.24.17 # But, it compiled cleanly. Shouldn't it have complained? 07.24.30 # it didn't say anything? 07.24.38 # Nope 07.24.47 # And I reran configure in a clean build directory and everything 07.24.53 # And doom is right next to rockboy in the make file 07.24.55 # Lemme try again 07.24.57 # what's this about doom? 07.25.32 # midkay: it's a test version that doesn't work very well at the moment 07.25.39 # on which models? 07.25.42 # kkurbjun: does it require changing anything to test 07.25.56 # or is it just the one file 07.26.01 # kkurbjun: Your makefile has a case for recorder and irivers, but not for ipods 07.26.02 # the rock 07.26.10 # ahh 07.26.17 # rock = plugin = standalone.. 07.26.26 # unless you need some wad file? 07.26.26 # I'm makefile illiterate, so I can't fix it. 07.26.33 # no, you have to compile a new rockbox.iriver 07.26.52 # midkay: Plugins aren't entirely standalone. The doom one requires patching to the actual firmware itself, and it's far far from playable I hear. 07.26.55 # I have a nano 07.27.01 # does rockboy build for nano? 07.27.08 # Nope, actually 07.27.10 # no 07.27.35 # The Nano has a different resolution screen, and nobody's adapted it yet. 07.27.35 # Paul_The_Nerd, not entirely standalone in what way? .. and, "aaaah" as to doom + firmware patching ;) 07.27.57 # blah 07.28.04 # in the make file if you add IPOD_NANO between IPOD_COLOR and IPOD_VIDEO it should compile 07.28.06 # i had alot of compile errors 07.28.09 # Okay 07.28.19 # I would take out rockboy though as it probably won't build 07.28.59 # doom on the videos? 07.29.03 # kkurbjun, can you send mr now the rock? 07.29.43 # I'm curious what errors Rockboy kicks up anyway 07.29.48 # Maybe tonight I'll see about fixing it for Nano 07.29.53 # While I'm here, 'n all 07.30.11 # Paprica: no, it's not usable right now, it needs alot of work and it also needs a whole modified rockbox core. 07.30.21 # ok 07.30.28 # gonna go 07.30.30 # bye 07.30.33 # Paul, the changes that need to be made for the nano would be in lcd.c for rockboy 07.30.47 # Yeah, I figured. :) 07.30.57 # does it stream straight to the lcd 07.31.16 # : ), they've shifted around a bit, they used to be in sys_rockbox.c 07.31.26 # Hehehe 07.31.48 # Wow, rockboy went through with only 4 warnings and no errors 07.31.54 # BHS: no neither do, it's all buffered in rockbox and then copied to the players video memory 07.32.03 # Doom, on the other hand, has like fifty bajillion warnings. :) 07.32.14 Quit Wire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.32.18 # : ), yeah, that's the state the code was in when I got it 07.32.26 # Oops, and when it gets to the button defines, it errors a bunch 07.33.00 # i_video.c 07.33.05 # Starting at about 109 07.33.10 # for doom, you'll have to also change the plugin_buffer_size in config-ipodnano.h 07.34.05 # Do you know how many of the .c files involve BUTTON_blah? 07.34.26 # just i_video.c 07.34.51 # So, if I just put some defines at the beginning of it, and changes all the in-code ones to DOOM_BUTTON_, I could fix it. 07.35.01 # Give it target-specific key sets. 07.35.04 # its in the button_trans function 07.35.22 # yes, that would work 07.35.43 # Okay, gimme a minute 07.35.50 # Gonna go steal some code from bejeweled. :-P 07.36.00 # : ) 07.38.18 # So, 9 buttons are needed? 07.38.29 # idoom didn't use the back button 07.38.38 # Left, Right, Down, Up, Rec, Mod, On, Select, Off 07.39.01 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 07.39.14 # * JdGordon recons some1 needs to work on a mouse driver for usb-otg so we can play doom properly :D 07.39.33 # * BHSPitLappy feels completely comfortable playing doom on his nano 07.40.21 # I would recomend left right up rec(shoot) mode(open), on(esc), select(enter) 07.40.40 # off is 'y' but the game doesn't exit anyway 07.40.48 # so it's not useful now 07.41.06 # on for shoot instead of rec for the right handed ppl? 07.41.15 # steer with the R hand, shoot with left 07.41.21 # iDoom's controls work great for me 07.42.00 # kkurbjun: Right now I'm just hacking 'em in to see if I can get it to build. I'll adjust the assignments later. :) 07.42.23 # morning :) 07.43.06 # it's night here 07.44.12 # ok, evening for you 07.45.11 # : ) 07.50.18 # does every player have BUTTON_LEFT and _RIGHT defined? 07.50.19 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 07.52.10 # Hrm 07.52.18 # kkurbjun: Also, cpu_boosts don't work. :) 07.52.48 # t0mas_: here? 07.53.02 # : ), didn't know that 07.53.14 # Well, the nano runs at full speed right now 07.53.23 # Had to comment them out, too lay to wrap them with ifdefs. :-p 07.53.35 # What do I need to set the buffer size as? 07.53.41 # lookie there, it's aegray... 07.53.54 # just change the C to a F 07.54.19 # you have to re-run configure after a make clean 07.54.19 # damnit i saw red and thought t0mas_ pinged me back 07.54.21 # damn you 07.54.25 # a curse on your house 07.54.35 # it's ok, we're about to move 07.54.38 # kkurbjun: It's an 8 actually, instead of a C. 07.54.52 # oh yeah 07.55.05 # Alright, I cleared all the compiler errors 07.55.09 # And changed that value 07.55.12 # Let's see what happens. :) 07.55.17 # : ) 07.55.39 # I know my button assignments are HORRIBLE 07.56.04 # And I've probably screwed up the H300 ones. But, at least now it's got a structure to easily adjust them per target. 07.56.17 # Paul_The_Nerd: what target did you build for? 07.56.29 # Working on getting it to build for Nano 07.56.50 # Maybe 07.56.55 # when you do, if you could be so kind as to send it to me :D 07.57.24 # You're probably better off just using iDoom for the moment. The button assignments are essentially random, if they even work. :) 07.57.40 # "when you do" ;) 07.57.59 # Man, I wish *I* had the build scoring script 07.59.00 # Paul: is it building now? 07.59.12 # Rebooting the iPod now 07.59.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: maybe it would be easier to have it get the keybindings from a config file 07.59.35 # Alright, "adding /doom/doom2.wad" is followed by "Buffer error" 07.59.38 # Probably endianness? 07.59.56 # I think the ipod is the same endianness 08.00.04 # As the H1/3x0? Nope 08.00.07 # hmm 08.00.16 # oh, I know that problem too 08.00.22 # how much ram is on the nano? 08.00.24 # * Paul_The_Nerd always guesses endiannes when something that loads a file on Hxx0 fails on iPod 08.00.26 # 32mb 08.00.45 # like my first pc 08.01.11 # mm, nope, I don't know 08.02.33 # Well, since it's the file load... 08.02.39 # Do you know what handles that? 08.03.11 # if the nano is a different endianness the change needs to be made in the Makefile 08.03.26 # taking out -D__BIG_ENDIAN__ 08.03.34 # so ? working on doom port ? ?:) 08.03.49 # w_wac.c handles that but there shouldn't be any errors there 08.03.56 # the error was on a malloc call 08.04.00 # Ah 08.04.01 # : ), no not yet 08.04.32 # and that function is in rockdoom.c 08.04.35 # The doom makefile? 08.04.42 # yes 08.04.51 # Can you make that conditional? 08.04.57 # * Paul_The_Nerd is just gonna strip it from his, for the time being 08.05.14 # audio_buffer_free=0x1C00000; That's set to use 29 ish megs of memory from the player 08.05.44 # it could be an endianness problem 08.05.49 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 08.06.02 Join mythdl [0] (n=de984cad@labb.contactor.se) 08.06.59 # Rebuilding now 08.07.11 # hi 08.07.22 # I'm just wondering why I can't connect using my IRC client 08.07.28 # it tells me my address is banned 08.07.38 # but only when i try to /join #rockbox 08.08.20 # "#rockbox unable to join channel (address is banned)" is the specific error 08.08.31 # good morning 08.08.37 # Mornin' amiconn 08.08.42 # wt...... 08.08.44 Join elinenbe_ [0] (i=elinenbe@207-237-225-224.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 08.08.51 # i've never been on this server before so I can't understand it really 08.08.57 # kkurbjun: Am I reading right that you are porting doom to rockbox? 08.09.02 # mmhmm 08.09.06 # amiconn: yes 08.09.20 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.09.21 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (i=elinenbe@207-237-225-224.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 08.09.39 # Okay, trying with the endianness fix. 08.09.44 # it's running, but there are graphic problems that I'm not sure where they are coming from 08.10.40 # Okay, that way is worse 08.10.42 # Hmm. CPU-wise it sounds reasonable (it runs full speed on my 50MHz M68060 Amiga, so why not on a 120MHz coldfire) 08.10.44 # Data abort at some address 08.10.54 # How do you solve the resolution problem? 08.11.14 # mythdl: sounds like you got in fine 08.11.16 # Afaik, domm needs >=320*200 08.11.21 # I used the idoom solution that uses a lookup table that is calculated at startup 08.11.31 # I'm using the web IRC:CGI client 08.11.42 # which I believe goes through a proxy 08.11.54 # it then just sends in a value for the resolution you're running at and it gives you the value on the real doom screen to use 08.12.13 # amiconn: It needs that, but 160*100 probably wouldn't hurt visibility much at all. 08.12.18 # amiconn: well afayk is crap 08.12.20 # :D 08.12.24 # it's in i_video.c if you're interested 08.12.24 # jk 08.12.32 # Hmm. Sounds like it will be slow 08.12.41 # idoom on my nano is great 08.12.41 # yeah, that's what I was thinking 08.12.47 # On H1x0 we could use the grayscale lib 08.12.57 # but they have it running at 15 fps on the ipods 08.13.02 # aegray 08.13.02 # look at the idoom movies on idoom's website, or google video 08.13.04 # what? 08.13.11 # idoom on my 4G B&W has great FPS, but the lack of colour makes it hard to play 08.13.11 # (I'm here for 10 minutes now) 08.13.19 # they have a greyscal dithering for 4 bit screens in idoom that can be used as well 08.13.20 # doom full speed is 35 fps afaik 08.13.45 # 15 fps, but doom does automatic frameskipping 08.13.53 # I know 08.14.03 # t0mas_: hey - you're in avr? 08.14.04 # kkurbjun: Have you tested with the Doom2 wad before? Should I perhaps try the shareware one, to see if that doesn't overflow the buffer? 08.14.08 # wanna help me? 08.14.09 # the ipod's LCD doesn't actually support grayscale? 08.14.18 # #avr* 08.14.22 # because when I see grey on it the grey is always shimmering 08.14.22 # grayscale lib will very likely be better than ordinary dithering, 08.14.26 # Paul: I've tried the doom1, 2 and plutonia wods 08.14.30 # as if its just switching between black and white quickly 08.14.42 # but there will be another problem on H1x0 - the sloo-ow LCD itself 08.14.47 # I'm not sure what the prolem is on the nano 08.14.48 # mythdl: greyscale ipods are 2bit, not 4 08.15.07 # amiconn: it's faster then the H300 though correct? 08.15.08 # aegray: yes 08.15.24 # -> other room 08.15.25 # so the grey I see in the progress/volume bar is not real grey, its somehow emulated 08.15.34 Nick t0mas_ is now known as t0mas (n=Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 08.15.34 # mythdl: The iPod LCD has 4 native grayscales, as has the iriver H1x0 LCD 08.16.05 # see 08.16.09 # kkurbjun: Where do you actually *call* my_realloc? 08.16.14 # On iriver H1x0 (and the bitmap archos models, which have a b&w lcd), we have the grayscale library in rockbox, 08.16.23 # which can display up to 33 shades 08.16.34 # nice 08.16.52 # ah well, after all the main point is audio I guess 08.16.53 # Paul, I think it's only called once in w_addfile under w_wad.c 08.16.58 # Hrm 08.17.05 # kkurbjun: The H1x0 LCD is way slower than the H3x0 one 08.17.11 # doom does most of it's own memory management 08.17.25 # I don't mean the handling in rockbox, but the liquid crystals itself 08.17.39 # I see 08.17.43 # I didn't realize that 08.19.14 # unfortunatley doom isn't really in a playable state, I can't figure out what is causing the graphic problems and the sources are not changed much from the original release or idoom 08.19.15 # I've heard often that the PortalPlayer chipset thingy includes hardware decoders for mp3, wma and aac, is this actually the case, or is it all done by software running on the CPU? 08.19.36 # I need to sleep though 08.19.37 # and if so, will/does rockbox utilise them 08.19.39 # 'night 08.19.44 # Okay 08.19.50 # I'll see if I can figure out this wad loading thing 08.22.02 Quit mythdl ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 08.27.50 Part Midgey34 08.35.26 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.36.20 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.40.07 Quit Timbels (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.45.18 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.47.02 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@1-1-3-36a.hdn.sth.bostream.se) 08.48.48 # lostlogic: u there? 08.56.40 # Does rockboy run on iPod 4G, or did I misunderstand something? 09.02.04 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@194-237-150-170.customer.telia.com) 09.02.45 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 09.03.18 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.03.46 Join nave7693 [0] (i=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.04.03 Part nave7693 09.04.06 Join nave7693 [0] (i=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.04.52 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.05.03 # hey when I try to compile rockbox with gcc 4.0.2 it complains on stuff like "system.c:679: error: 'GII' aliased to undefined symbol 'UIE4'". Anyone know why? 09.05.33 # What target? 09.05.37 # sh-elf 09.05.57 # For iriver (coldfire) gcc 4.x is not recommended, for archos (sh) it simply won't work 09.06.15 # heh 09.06.24 # ok 09.06.38 # The gcc team made a decision in gcc 4.x that is imho wrong, and I filed a bug report. 09.06.45 # They prefer to ignore it... 09.07.24 # What'd they do, out of curiosity? 09.08.46 # nave7693: better stick to the recommended versions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 09.09.05 # LinusN: I do. I just want to "live by the edge" as you put it 09.09.09 # http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=24863 09.09.14 # not want to, but like to 09.09.43 # nave7693: 3.3.6 is recommended, 3.4.x makes larger binaries, 4.x won't work 09.09.47 # I have both 3.3.6 and 4.0.2 so I can fall back now it does not work 09.11.46 # thanks for the help then 09.14.20 Join needleboy [0] (n=alon@DSL217-132-174-36.bb.netvision.net.il) 09.14.25 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 09.19.14 Join needleboy [0] (n=needlebo@DSL217-132-174-36.bb.netvision.net.il) 09.21.05 # morning 09.22.09 Part nave7693 09.29.43 # gday 09.30.12 Quit needleboy () 09.30.52 Join needleboy [0] (n=needlebo@DSL217-132-174-36.bb.netvision.net.il) 09.31.16 Quit ender` (" If I had only finished this sentence.") 09.33.52 # g'day 09.39.45 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.40.28 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@port547.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 09.40.40 Part Musicmad 09.43.17 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560829.sympatico.ca) 09.43.50 # how do i compile the Doom plugin? 09.44.25 # needleboy: Did you notice, he specifically asked for it to be left out of the optimized build at the moment. :-P 09.44.32 # It's *really really* not working yet. 09.44.40 # yeah, i just want to take a look at it 09.45.02 # and you tried to follow his instructions as given in the tracker? 09.45.03 # Well, you have to download the doom.zip, and the first two diffs. Apply the newwhatever one second 09.45.24 # The first patch applies to the rockbox source, the second applies to the doom folder under plugins. 09.45.31 Join Moos [0] (n=c13354c1@labb.contactor.se) 09.45.44 # And it's quite unhappy on the ipod at the moment. :( 09.46.55 # but i need a SOURCES file that includes the Doom source, no? 09.47.16 # i'm absolutely baffled by this right now... idiot me 09.47.17 # No 09.47.25 # You need to change the makefile in the plugins folder 09.47.36 # Find the line that has rockboy, and add a space and then doom after it. 09.47.40 # mind giving me the procedure? 09.47.54 # That was it. 09.48.00 # ok, thanks 09.48.04 # i'll give it a go 09.48.15 # Good luck 09.48.36 # If you run into other problems, let me know. 09.48.58 # I at least managed to *compile* it for iPod, but there's a buffer issue when loading the WAD that I don't get. 09.49.27 # also the struct packing he mentions will kill it completely 09.49.40 # no chance in hell arm will run with struct packing enabled 09.50.18 # Aaah 09.50.45 # * Paul_The_Nerd didn't really read the patch message 09.51.00 # I said "Should it work on iPod" he said "yes, would you mind trying?" 09.51.30 # perhaps he doesn't know much about arm 09.51.45 # 's possible 09.51.48 # I certainly don't 09.52.00 # struct packing _might_ work, but that's assuming all the elements are properly aligned at their own size 09.52.03 # small chances 09.52.13 # Aaah 09.54.36 Quit Sinbios (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.55.14 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3560829.sympatico.ca) 10.00.02 Quit Natsuki (Connection timed out) 10.02.26 # preglow, you're working on the EQ, right? 10.05.22 # he did the eq parts, yes but no gui 10.05.51 # so no progress in the last 2 days... 10.06.00 # no progress? 10.06.20 # that's what he told me two days ago :) 10.06.38 # afaik, he ain't gonna do the gui either 10.06.47 # we don't need no GUI, just normal text based settings 10.06.48 # someone else offered to work on a gui for it 10.06.51 # if that is what you define as progress 10.07.07 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.07.25 # anything that gets me closer to fiddling with the bands is progress ;) 10.07.26 # needleboy: yes we need gui 10.07.45 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-20-180.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.07.50 # a simple text one, just to start with something... 10.07.52 # needleboy: i was working on the eq 10.07.58 # and now i'm finished :> 10.08.01 # Hehehe 10.08.04 # hehe 10.08.30 # someone came in yesterday and said they more or less had an ui goin 10.08.30 # g 10.08.44 # we just need 5 lines with the bands, and in each the ability to change the dB value... that's it 10.08.52 # ah, that's cool... 10.09.04 # needleboy: well, it's a *parametric* eq 10.09.06 # sure, but i'm not doing it 10.09.09 # anyway, thanks for the hard work, that was one of my most wanted features 10.09.18 # i spent more than enough time on the eq innards alone, and now i have other stuff to do 10.09.36 # we still need to figure out what to do with the gain 10.09.40 # LinusN, parametric means you can change the bands themselves, no? 10.09.45 # yes 10.09.49 # needleboy: it means you can change everything 10.09.50 # exactly... 10.09.54 # What to do with the gain? 10.09.56 # frequency, gain, bandwidth 10.10.17 # so we just need a text based gui to start with and test the EQ itself.... that's all i meant. 10.10.23 # nevermind, i'll just be patient 10.10.24 # of course 10.10.27 # yes, and that's probably what you'll have 10.10.52 # ok, so it's a UI, not GUI ;) 10.10.56 # i'm an ass... 10.10.57 # *shrug* 10.11.09 # i'll just shut up now 10.11.10 # the current rockbox settings system is text based, so yeah 10.11.27 # * B4gder looks at needleboy in silence 10.11.38 # heh. so we're not getting a gui so much as ptui 10.11.50 # if we're ever going to do proper guis, i still think we should make a system that allows the current ui interface to be used 10.12.03 # it's good for blind people and people that don't care about looks 10.13.05 # i'd say that'd be a wise decision 10.13.21 # i don't mind good looks, as long as it doesn't limit the interface 10.14.08 # I don't care about function, I just want animated gifs 10.14.15 # :-P 10.14.17 # amen :-) 10.14.50 # animated gifs? 10.14.54 # you're old-fashioned 10.14.57 # i want flash apps 10.14.58 # "rockbox is ugly, if you don't fix it right away, i'm going back to the original firmware" 10.15.03 # hahaha 10.15.12 # "you're only making rubbish" revival 10.15.22 # hehe 10.15.46 # imagine that, rockbox being accused for only working on eye candy 10.15.53 # rockbox both looks and sounds like a bag of shit 10.16.07 # golden quotes 10.16.13 # we should open a wiki with those 10.16.44 # WhyNotToRockbox? 10.17.05 # GoldenQuotes 10.17.22 # TheyAllLoveUs 10.17.32 # BagOfShit 10.17.41 # YouMakeRubbish 10.19.23 # at least you have a huge bunch of people defending your work now... 10.19.27 # misticriver i mean 10.19.41 # well, most comments have been positive 10.19.42 # yeah, like Lanesra ;-) 10.20.05 # every guy who expresses any disdain with RB gets blasted with posts of how wrong he is 10.20.30 # almost like a cult :-) 10.20.48 # lol, like a cult? it IS a cult already... 10.20.57 # a small question 10.21.36 # a new commit to the CVS, when it shows up in the dailies page like this: Build expected to complete around 09:37:55 10.21.53 # if i get it from CVS instead of downloading the bleeding edge, will that commit be included? 10.21.57 # yes 10.22.03 # cool 10.22.12 # you can beat the bleeding edge! ;-) 10.22.16 # lol 10.22.24 # the bleeding bleeding edge 10.22.32 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD5E8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.23.03 # argghhghh 10.23.07 # i need coffee 10.23.15 # another lousy day this will be 10.23.26 # mine's already lousy 10.23.38 # * B4gder started his day with a "BUG: soft lockup detected on CPU#0!" 10.23.51 # most annoying customers i have already called, all the others are bound shortly 10.24.24 # at least i have some compiling to get my mind off work 10.24.36 # the only thing this day lacks now, is more raion 10.24.38 # rain 10.24.41 Join zhilik [0] (n=_if_you_@ppp85-140-15-144.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 10.24.57 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 10.24.58 # and that'll come with the nice storm i see brewing 10.25.55 # who's Miika? 10.26.02 # Slasheri 10.26.15 # i'm glad the BMP cache was removed... 10.26.24 # new WPS creating was impossible with it... 10.26.27 # we all are 10.27.05 # i'd like to see more grayscale wps creation on the h100 10.27.14 # yes 10.27.19 # I don't think most people realize you *can* yet 10.27.22 # I want boxes in greyscale 10.27.41 # Linus, post in the RB h100 thread on MR, that'll get things going 10.27.50 # probably 10.28.00 # well, then someone needs to put them in CVS too 10.28.09 # there's one little thing missing on the h100, and that's the pink transparency 10.28.10 # and _that_ is always tedious 10.28.22 # look at the large amount of pending wps patches in the tracker 10.28.40 # a separate wps cvs soungs good... 10.28.41 # and the hundreds of bmp files that go with them... 10.28.50 # where we can allow cvs logins to anyone who asks 10.29.02 # we should go the single-bmp route and things will be better 10.29.06 # even SinerAram 10.29.08 # amen 10.29.12 # yes, agreed 10.29.14 # i don't see how adding more WPS to the CVS is a good thing... 10.29.23 # I do 10.29.27 # just do it in a way that doesn't make adjusting bitmaps sizes a pain in the ass 10.29.50 # why not just make a proper repository for them? let every user download the ones he wants... 10.29.57 # we should possibly work on a way to have/offer an online place for new wpses 10.29.58 Join ze_ [0] (i=ze@ca-dstreet-cuda1-c6a-130.snbrca.adelphia.net) 10.30.12 # "just make" ... 10.30.21 # hmmm 10.30.27 # i'll make... if anyone asks me... 10.30.31 # i don't know how beneficial cvs is for that kind of thing 10.30.40 # preglow: no, I meant outside of cvs 10.30.45 # everyone works on their own wps 10.30.50 # i don' think it's a collab thing 10.30.57 # yeah 10.31.05 # don't we have a wiki page? :> 10.31.11 # exactly, so a repository will be much better... 10.31.12 # needleboy: hey, we don't generally ask, people do what they feel they can contribute with 10.31.25 # wiki's too complicated for most users, apparently... 10.31.38 # i think i have the webspace for it 10.31.46 # we'd need a better/easier way to get a "theme" done for each wps 10.31.51 # i'll work on it 10.32.17 # possibly upload the wps/rwps/bitmaps and then supply info about font and lowest resolution etc 10.32.22 # and have a .cfg built for it 10.32.47 # i admire the patience of some wps creators 10.33.03 # we just need to fight the hoards that'll think h300 is the only player with color lcd ;-) 10.33.36 # but yeah 10.33.48 # a proper way to get rid of the bitmap hell is important 10.34.20 # and we need to exterminate the Chicago-12 font once and for all 10.34.33 # and i'm not convinced requiring wps creators to make one big bitmap directly is the best solution 10.34.57 # for example, when you find out you need to make one bitmap element bigger, you're suddenly in hell 10.35.06 # indeed 10.35.07 # true... 10.35.09 # you need to update all coordinates in the wps 10.35.13 # I think that any same-size elements should be in the same bmp 10.35.20 # Like, play/pause/stop/ff/rw symbols 10.35.25 # Or all the states of a battery bar. 10.35.26 # i'm leaning a bit towards a proprocessor based approach 10.35.41 # paul, that's a good suggestion 10.35.43 # Then, let the conditional just include one bitmap, and do the striding itself. 10.35.46 # so people can design a wps as multiple bitmaps, then have a small and fast app pack them to something rockbox can read fast 10.36.05 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, will that significantly reduce the bitmap number? 10.36.06 # You give it the width/height and tailor the bmp to the number of steps that conditional has, and that's that 10.36.12 # preglow: the annoying part is only then when you want to modify the wps you got with rockbox 10.36.42 # Preglow: Well, I know that boxes has 10 volume states, 4 different images (at least) for play/pause/rewind/ff (maybe one for stop, I'm not sure) several battery states. Those would be reduced down to 3 images 10.36.43 # you'd need the reverse tool as well then I guess 10.36.46 # B4gder: sure, you'll always need a source 10.36.54 # right 10.36.55 # Total 10.37.04 # Paul_The_Nerd: i'd like to hear some numbers on that approach 10.37.14 # it might be feasible 10.37.53 # and a "lump-them-all-in-one-file" tool wouldn't even have to make a single bmp, it could make a weirdo custom file format that we can read and use fast 10.38.01 # B4gder: exactly 10.38.10 # B4gder: and even, were we to take the concept to its extreme, convert the bitmap format 10.38.21 # i don't know if people thing the current cross-device nature of wpses is usable 10.38.35 # they're not truly cross-device, but at least you can pretend 10.38.38 # preglow: Gimme one minute then 10.38.45 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.38.45 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD5E8F.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.38.49 # * JdGordon hasnt read the last 45min.. but 10.39.16 # why not just dump all pics in 1 bmp and display rectangles of the main bmp when u want 10.39.20 # the only thing would be that wps creation would be a little more cumbersome, since it involves a compiling stage 10.39.33 # JdGordon: go back and read 10.39.33 # yeps 10.39.40 # k 10.39.43 # LinusN: sure, the tool would have to be very fast and easy for this to be feasible 10.39.44 # LinusN: unless we support both ways 10.39.51 # of course 10.40.04 # like the music packer in the old c64 days 10.40.11 # yes 10.40.28 # * LinusN wanders off to nostalgia heaven 10.40.30 # noo.. dont pack the bmps... then its not so easy to customize wps; 10.40.33 # prewglow: Boxes, for h120 (with remote pics) would move from 62 files, to approx 15 10.40.41 # 15 is still a bit much 10.40.51 # That's though including rwps 10.41.01 # hmm 10.41.03 Quit ze (Connection timed out) 10.41.03 Nick ze_ is now known as ze (i=ze@ca-dstreet-cuda1-c6a-130.snbrca.adelphia.net) 10.41.04 # So, ~6 or 7 for the main unit 10.41.13 # well, i've vented an idea 10.41.15 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.41.19 # what it comes down to is what wps makers will put up with 10.41.25 # and i'll probably never make a wps 10.41.58 # seems the wps makers put up with just about everything 10.42.28 # creating a wps is pure printf-style hell 10.42.46 # Well, generally, you have one background image, then a bunch of icons, and it seems most intuitive (to me) that the icons are the part bitmaps. 10.46.08 # WELLWELL 10.46.09 # bbl 10.46.31 # * Paul_The_Nerd is just trying to propose a medium that doesn't involve resizing hell. 10.46.56 # it's a good start 10.47.21 # it'll be like an experiment, how much pain can we add and still have people do wps edits? B-] 10.47.37 # :PP 10.47.53 # I think there's no limit to how far some people will reach to acquire "the pretty" 10.48.02 # the WPS format used to be so small and simple... 10.48.16 # Paul_The_Nerd don't be too sure ... 10.48.29 # I said "some people" 10.49.14 # * Bg3r hasn't used anything except the default [r]wps till now ... 10.49.27 # I added a couple lines to the default WPS, and that was that 10.49.43 # Oh, and stripped the peakmeter from it. 10.50.12 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.00.54 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-60-229-179-140.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 11.02.02 # Could someone give me the rights to do things on the sourceforge tracker? I need to close that last bug report (the user is simply seeing an empty hard disk when Rockbox starts....) 11.02.40 # hang on 11.04.12 # try now 11.04.36 # linuxstb: He posted to the forum too. Heh 11.04.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.05.06 # Mmm... Doesn't it say somewhere not to file bugs for the iriver port? I think the ipod needs adding there. 11.05.41 # Wherever it is, it's kinda out of the way 11.05.44 # like they read it 11.05.52 # Since you can get to, and download, a daily build without ever seeing it. 11.06.37 # i think iriver bug reports should be allowed nowadays 11.08.41 # B4gder: Thanks, that seems fine. 11.08.45 # I was about to ask about that. Especially with the H1x0 port. 11.09.04 # heck, one day we might even do a release! 11.09.14 # * Paul_The_Nerd gasps 11.09.32 # Looking at the bug reports, people seem to be doing it anyway.... 11.09.49 # B4gder: You need more coffee.... 11.10.00 # indeed I do 11.12.25 # linuxstb: that bug report is a wonderful testament of the rockbox gui :-) 11.13.02 # hmmm 11.13.32 # making separate filtering functions for the separate filter types will yield us more precisionm 11.13.47 # but i don't know how much more precision we really need 11.14.53 # the shelving filters could do with a bit more 11.15.14 # LinusN: Yes - it will be even better when rockbox.??? is moved inside .rockbox :) 11.15.33 # I was kinda curious why it doesn't default to inside .rockbox with the ipodport 11.15.38 # Since you don't have "legacy" users. 11.16.16 # I think we've found one reason why not.... 11.16.38 # Maybe some kind of [no files] message needs to be displayed in the file browser for empty directories. 11.16.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: it's probably because the zip file is made in the same way for all targets 11.17.25 # yes, displaying something like that is a good ideas 11.17.28 # idea 11.18.25 # in fact, i think it might be time to take the plunge on the iriver targets, as most people probably have upgraded to the latest bootloader 11.18.36 # shelving filters will currently yield 21 bits of precision on arm 11.18.38 # is this enough? 11.19.08 # how many bits does the dac have on the arm targets? 11.19.19 # * preglow produlates linuxstb 11.19.37 # oh wait, datasheet is right next to me... 11.19.38 # We only send 16-bit data to it. 11.19.49 # haha 11.19.53 # snr is so bad it doesn't matter anyway 11.19.56 # But I _think_ we can send higher if we wanted to. 11.20.13 # (I tried, but couldn't tell if it worked...) 11.20.23 # preglow: Imho we could start with a primitive gui for eq. 11.20.43 # amiconn: as long as it's not me having to do it, that sounds just fine 11.20.47 Join Wired [0] (n=Wired@203.156.90.94) 11.20.48 # Just 5x center frequency, bandwidth (in % or such) and gain 11.20.51 # preglow: How precise is the EMAC version? 11.20.53 # linuxstb: i could do some measurements on that 11.20.56 # hello 11.20.56 # linuxstb: one bit more precise 11.21.09 # linuxstb: i've got a very precise adc here 11.21.30 # preglow: OK, I'll try and sort out a patch for you. 11.21.33 # so i could playback a sine and see if the noise floor is lower 11.21.40 # maybe someone know where i can fnd colored wps for my iriver h320 rockbox ? 11.22.28 # Wired: check out misticriver.net 11.22.28 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=35964 11.23.08 # 10x 11.23.26 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.23.45 Join elinenbe [0] (i=elinenbe@207-237-225-224.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 11.28.38 # * preglow shaves one cycle off of eq_cf.S innerloop! \o/ 11.30.46 # * LinusN does the optimizing dance 11.30.56 # Most of the colour WPSs from that misticriver page cause every codec (even FLAC) to skip on the ipod. 11.31.03 Quit novimon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.31.07 # :( 11.31.08 # linuxstb: no wonder 11.31.08 # :( 11.31.20 # How 'bout Boxes? 11.31.33 # I'm not surprised battery life is so slow on the H300 - it must be on constant boost. 11.31.49 # that's once explanation 11.31.50 # s/slow/low/ 11.31.51 # one 11.35.02 Quit Wired () 11.37.43 Join webguest62 [0] (n=d4cb001a@labb.contactor.se) 11.37.51 Quit webguest62 (Client Quit) 11.40.14 Join webguest50 [0] (n=d4cb001a@70.85.116.52) 11.40.52 # hrmphh 11.41.00 # i wonder why our ui is so laggy 11.41.03 Quit webguest50 (Client Quit) 11.41.30 # as in ipod ui 11.42.11 # it's quite laggy on the h300 as well... 11.42.30 # so perhaps it an lcd thing 11.42.33 Join webguest27 [0] (n=d4cb001a@70.85.116.52) 11.42.36 # i was wondering, has any of you tried the h300 optimized build? 11.42.48 # don't have a h300 11.42.58 # i have 11.42.59 # people are complaining about instability in it, i was wondering if any of you had any problems... 11.43.05 # and besides, we're too busy making fun of the name to actually test it 11.43.09 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 11.43.14 # :) 11.43.14 # why making fun? 11.43.31 # "optimized" 11.43.37 # because it isn't very optimized? :P 11.43.40 Quit webguest27 (Remote closed the connection) 11.43.46 # well, it's as close as you get ;) 11.43.51 # for now at least 11.44.19 # "ROCKbox for H300 targets" just doesn't hit the spot... 11.44.35 # dont listen to them needleboy, you've down a good job *pats on the back encouragingly" 11.44.48 # ehum, it's "Rockbox", not "ROCKBox" 11.45.06 # yeah, why are the MR threads titled with ROCKbox? 11.45.12 # whisky 11.45.13 # your logo says ROCKbox ;) 11.45.13 # that's why 11.45.17 Join webguest42 [0] (n=d4cb001a@70.85.116.52) 11.45.18 # LinusN: Does it get to you when people call it "the Rockbox" too? 11.45.26 # hehe 11.45.52 # My suggestion would be "experimental" - because it has untested and unproven patches not in Rockbox cvs. It's a good thing to do, but perhaps not an ideal build for _every_ h300 user to use. 11.45.59 # funny, i haven't really noticed the capitals in the logo :-) 11.46.32 Quit Xerion (Client Quit) 11.46.33 # Yeah, optimized implies better performance more than additional features, I think... At least to me. 11.46.39 # me does the lunch dance 11.46.41 Quit webguest42 (Remote closed the connection) 11.46.49 # linuxstb, everything you've said is written on the first post in the thread, even before the download link 11.46.57 # we like dancing in this channel 11.47.08 # * Paul_The_Nerd does the dancing dance. 11.47.09 # needleboy: But we know people only read the headlines... 11.47.27 # their problem, not mine... 11.47.32 # But don't worry - I don't feel strongly about it. 11.47.45 # A lot of people also come in here assuming the H300 optimized build is actually the official build specifically for h300s 11.47.58 # :) 11.48.03 # i heard that you can't lose in the blackjack plugin, is that true? 11.48.09 # It is NOT true 11.48.13 # At least, on iPod Nano 11.48.16 # * Paul_The_Nerd sucks at blackjack. 11.48.44 # Though my high score is 2990 thanks to two fortunate bets, and then quitting while I was ahead. 11.49.16 # why isn't the Ace counted as either 1 or 11 11.49.18 # ? 11.49.23 # it's only counted as 11... 11.49.29 # 10.57.46 # * Membrillo just found that you can't actually lose on blackjack. Membrillo just beat the computers 17 with a 12 11.49.36 # It counts it as 1 for me needleboy. 11.49.54 # I had a 16, got an ace, and it was a 17 11.50.11 # weird... 11.50.25 # i had 13, got an ace, and lost with 23 11.50.32 # Odd 11.50.32 # sorry, had 12 11.50.43 # Maybe it has a <=12 where it should have <12? 11.50.48 # looks like the plugin tries to be smart with the ace calculation 11.51.09 # that's probably why membrillo won with 12 11.51.32 # Just went from 15->16 w/ an ace. 11.51.41 # yeah, i had an ace 11.51.44 # the ace was 1 when it checked the bounds, but 11 when it checked the score 11.51.45 # weird... 11.52.00 # It's not straightforward I think - presumably if you had two aces and a 9, it should count one as 1 and one as 11. 11.52.08 # i thought it was playing up so i tested what happened if i got beaten. and i still won 11.52.19 # it should be user-selectable... 11.52.31 # * linuxstb has never tested the plugin 11.52.36 # well, it should automatically make your highest hand without going busty 11.52.38 # bust* 11.52.42 # I just had 18 with an Ace, hit, got a Q, and had 18 again, so the Ace handling is seeming at least decent. 11.52.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: Is this on your Nano? 11.52.58 # Yessir 11.53.06 # So is this plugin suitable for CVS? 11.53.11 # And, I lost that one, so it actually counted the ace as a 1 when it checked the score. 11.53.47 # also, i think it needs to save your last bet. if i want to bet 1000 i have to sit holding up after every round 11.53.53 # Hehehe 11.53.59 # 1000 is fairly fast with the scroll wheel. :-P 11.55.30 # well, i share my ipod with a friend who isnt too tech-literate. the apple firmware can even be too much for him. i dont think ill whack rb on till it becomes a bit more stable and useable. otherwise my friend will get VERY confused indeed. 11.55.33 Quit adamd ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 11.57.29 # Membrillo: You've got a iPod Video? 11.58.31 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@44.80-203-31.nextgentel.com) 11.58.53 # sure do 11.58.57 # not on me now though 11.59.47 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.59.48 # why? 12.00.06 # Any bored iPod user fancy writing an "KeymapIpod" wiki page (based on KeymapIriverHSeries) so we can try and sort out the button mappings? 12.00.17 # linuxstb: Also, I seem to remember you once saying usb charging should work within rockbox, if it hasn't been yet, I can confirm it does on Nano. 12.00.23 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-23-171.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.00.47 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@195.27.52.9) 12.01.00 # Membrillo: No reason. Just that Rockbox is pretty useless on the video at the moment (unless you want to play bejewelled or Sudoku with no music...) 12.01.15 # awwwwesome :P 12.01.26 # linuxstb: Or Bubbles, or Blackjack if you feel like patching a wee bit. 12.01.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, you mentioned that. 12.01.45 # i think ill leave it be for a little while. my h300s keeping me entertained and the ipods keeping my buddy entertained 12.02.11 # It appears that the Apple firmware reacts differently if the USB cable is plugged directly into the AC adapter, rather than a USB port. Rockbox tries to enter disk mode when the usb is plugged into the AC.... 12.02.41 # Well, you do have to hold down menu... 12.02.44 # Does the Nano come with an AC adapter? I know the video doesn't. 12.02.49 # No, it doesn't 12.02.54 # Because apple == money grubbing 12.03.26 # Hopefully we'll be able to figure out the difference, so it doesn't attempt disk mode. 12.04.28 # Also, I noticed in the new debug i/o ports screen that the headphone status (i.e. plugged or unplugged) is connected to a GPIO pin. But I can't think of any use for that.... 12.04.47 # Unless we use it for pause like the retailos. 12.04.59 # I think there was some hostility toward that feature 12.05.11 # Yes, by me... But I've mellowed. 12.05.37 # Well, I wouldn't object to that, merely because I have this bad habit of snagging my cord on things while listening to audiobooks. 12.06.35 # EQ ui thoughts: the eq config files should be five lines with frequency, gain, and bandwidth comma (or space) seperated 12.06.44 # LinusN: on my ipod, it can detect wether i unplug my headphones and it pauses the song. What do you think about this being possible on H300, but rather for detection of headphones being in the line out. if headphones are detected in both headphone and line out, a seperate volume scale could be used for each output. When i listen to my music with friends (using line out and headphone) our volumes are completely whack because of d 12.06.52 # Is it possible to change the volume scale for the different outputs? 12.07.08 # you can browse the eq settings files and on load they will change the currently applied eq 12.07.32 # This should let you have as many EQ settings groups as you like, and make it easy for tag based EQ settings as well. 12.08.06 # And presets for different types of earphones, etc as well. 12.08.29 # :) 12.09.07 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-133-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.10.32 # Well yeah, you should be able to have something like "Browse to Equalizer Settings" and get a list of eqs files: sony-mdrv6.eqs, sure-e2c.eqs 12.10.34 # something like that 12.10.48 # Now I just need to get some time to actually hook the gui and config files together 12.11.49 # but what about having different volumes for line-out and headphone? is it possible or would the audio have to be decoded twice 12.12.16 # Membrillo it has nothing with the decoding, but with the UDA chip 12.12.51 # so would the UDA chip not be capable of such a task? 12.13.10 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 12.14.07 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 12.14.12 # safetydan: So do you have an actual UI to edit the config files, or are you just doing the config files first? 12.17.02 # Paprica: you here? 12.17.16 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 12.17.34 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=icechat5@pd95b7c08.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.17.49 # ah well, if you read the logs, your an effing genious with that newest progress bar patch. just the patch i was waiting for 12.19.22 # linuxstb: just the config files first 12.19.37 # It seemed like the quickest way to get something working 12.21.10 # Membrillo, are you using the patch for a new WPS? 12.22.18 # yep 12.22.39 # nice... i haven't had the chance to test it. works good? 12.22.42 # well, i had one, and im using the new patch to fine tune it before i release it 12.22.45 # im just about to test it 12.24.30 # Membrillo: the hardware has no support for detecting the headphone 12.25.25 # LinusN: the ipod must have something special then 12.26.16 # needleboy: the patch works like a charm 12.26.36 # link me? 12.26.51 # ok, ill just upload it 12.27.22 # For basic start EQ UI, would something like this work: "Sound Settings -> EQ -> Band 1 -> (frequency, gain, bandwidth)" 12.27.27 # Or is that too many nested menus? 12.28.12 # i think that'd be good... 12.28.29 # As someone it doesn't affect in any way, it wouldn't bother me. :-P 12.28.35 # it has presets, right? cfg files? 12.28.56 # yeah it will 12.29.21 # so it doesn't really matter how many menus... if you just need to change it once in a while... 12.29.41 # safetydan: i think the eq settings ui should be separated into two parts, the "regular" gain screen with 5 bands, and an "advanced" screen where you set the frequency and bandwidth 12.30.02 # much like the rio 12.30.04 # LinusN: that is also a good idea 12.30.11 # that's a great idea, actually... 12.30.37 # you set up the bands once and for all, and then use the gain screen for tweaking the sound 12.30.40 # Thing is, I don't actually understand the settings the eq functions take well enough to decide what the regular screen should have as data 12.31.09 # So right now I'm just making the raw settings available in the menu 12.31.26 # most eq's don't allow the frequency/bandwidth selection, only the gain 12.31.31 # everyone _will_ compare it to the oh-so-hyped rio eq 12.31.42 # you cant align WPS text by pixel can you 12.31.49 # Which is why I get confused, since I don't know what freq/bandwidth should be in the "easy UI" 12.31.54 # now where's my coffee? 12.31.55 # Membrillo, not yet 12.32.07 # freq/bandwith should not be in the easy ui 12.32.12 # only gain 12.32.48 # I understand that, but what data should the easy UI use for freq/bandwidth? The bands need to be defined don't they? 12.32.52 # 5 bands with Gain values to them in the regular menu, 5 Gains with submenus for freq/bandwidth values 12.33.00 # safetydan: yes, in the advanced screen 12.33.06 # ah... brain clicks 12.33.12 # but most users will probably settle with the default 12.33.28 # What would be the defaults then? 12.33.50 # so it would be two menu entries: "EQ Gain" and "EQ Setup" 12.34.05 # (as a side note, I have to say that the rockbox menu code is very easy to understand) 12.34.37 # preglow is probably the best man to ask for good default values for freq/bandwidth 12.34.41 # So do we want "Browse Presets" as an option under "Equaliser", or a "Browse EQ Presets" at the same level as "Equaliser" ? 12.34.50 Join gtkspert_ [0] (n=gtkspert@203.59.146.102) 12.34.57 # (In the Sound Settings menu I assume) 12.35.06 # linuxstb: i don't really know 12.35.27 # and that's not really hard to change 12.36.06 # I intend to add another file type for this, .eqs files and another directory .rockbox/eqs for settings. 12.36.07 # under EQ menu 12.36.25 # safetydan, right on! 12.37.19 Quit goa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.37.25 # i think the eq should be part of the regular settings 12.37.30 # does the EQ go into the Sound Settings menu or Playback? 12.37.41 # and use .cfg files 12.38.17 # LinusN, but with a different filetype, we'll be able to make presets available for download etc... 12.38.34 # needleboy: You can still do that with .cfg files. 12.38.36 # the same goes for .cfg files 12.38.37 # unless the .cfg files will contain only the EQ settings... yeah... 12.38.39 # needleboy: Themes are technically cfg files too 12.38.48 # They don't need to contain *all* settings 12.39.03 # took it a while to sink in :) 12.39.13 # want us to rub it in really good? 12.39.17 # Heee 12.40.10 # needleboy: just uploading that WPS now 12.40.16 # i'm having a dental procedure tomorrow, a serious one. i'm in pain for the past week and a half, so my brain works on 10% capabilty ... 12.40.22 # next week i'll be good as new 12.40.42 # and stop asking stupid questions... 12.41.15 # only you'll be on heavy painkillers after the surgery... :-) 12.41.27 # just for 2 days as the doc promissed 12.41.32 # yeps, those jaw replcements can feel a bit ;-) 12.41.32 # yeah right 12.41.35 # needleboy, background white, font nimbus 12 12.41.36 # besides, painkillers are nice... 12.41.36 # http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.zip 12.41.42 # it's the pain that gets to me ;) 12.42.24 # i've never had any trouble handling chemicals 12.42.38 # Sigh... Most asked question about Rockbox on forums.ilounge.com - "are colors working yet?" 12.42.48 # lol 12.43.10 # needleboy: WPS worked? 12.43.25 # checking 12.43.42 # funky 12.44.28 # haha, excellent! 12.44.39 # my girlfriend will love this 12.44.43 # hehehe 12.44.44 # good good 12.44.45 # and the patch works! 12.44.51 # it does indeed 12.44.57 # Paprica just gained 5 more points :) 12.45.37 # you got some extra space on top. why not place a clock there? 12.45.44 # the status bar area 12.46.12 # yeah i plan on adding more 12.46.31 # * preglow returns 12.46.38 # ill do that tomorrow 12.46.49 # bed time now. school again tomorrow *yawn* 12.47.06 # safetydan: gotten far on the ui? 12.47.07 # nighty 12.47.16 Quit Membrillo () 12.47.23 # is anyone aware of the scrolling bug on the h300? 12.47.43 # Describe it... 12.47.45 # when holding up/down for a while, then releasing, it keeps scrolling 12.48.00 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.14 # i'm guessing it's reading the hold as 'click * X' 12.48.16 # yes, that's because the lcd driver is slow 12.48.42 # and the slow lcd driver is also one of the reasons for the bad battery life 12.48.59 # especially with those extravagant wps'es 12.49.06 # is this being worked on? maybe? 12.49.26 # yes, i believe amiconn has a few ideas on optimizing the driver 12.49.49 # i'm really sorry for all these "demands" 12.50.11 # if i could help developing, i'd be one of the most active devs here 12.50.24 # unfortunately i'm an idiot when it comes to programming 12.50.41 # trying to get the hold of C for the past 2 weeks... failing meanwhile 12.51.03 # anyway, great work guys. thanks. 12.51.09 # i'm off to eat, bbl 12.52.23 # btw, the eq screen also needs an overall gain 12.52.48 # if you gain too many bands without first gaining down the signal overall, things will clip 12.52.54 Part Paul_The_Nerd 12.52.57 # back 12.52.59 # er 12.53.05 # i know i hit / :p 12.53.08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 12.53.20 # hahah 12.54.09 # preglow: no further than last night, real work and all 12.55.05 Join JdGordon41 [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.55.27 Quit JdGordon (Nick collision from services.) 12.55.29 Nick JdGordon41 is now known as JdGordon (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 12.57.34 # needleboy: I have some optimisation ideas. However, all those fancy colour demands have the opposite effect - they make rendering even slower 12.57.51 Nick gtkspert_ is now known as gtkspert (n=gtkspert@203.59.146.102) 12.59.17 # preglow: a prescaler? 12.59.28 # LinusN: yes 12.59.42 # amiconn: What are your thoughts about implementing a background image in the lcd driver? 13.00.11 # my thoughts: omg, what a performance killer 13.00.38 # is there now way to make a wps just update parts of itself? 13.00.43 # i can tell you that the scroll will really be slow when that is implemented 13.00.47 # preglow: it does that now 13.00.55 Quit ehntoo (Remote closed the connection) 13.01.22 # LinusN: so for scroll, you have just the spot where the text will be drawn updated 13.01.49 # yes, for the scrolling lines, i was talking about the file browser 13.02.09 # ugh 13.02.25 # a general backdrop image for the entire gui 13.02.29 # Unless I'm missing something obvious, it looks like only the lcd_clearpixel() and lcd_clear_display functions (in lcd-16bit.c) would need to be changed. (the only two functions using bg_pattern) 13.03.26 # yes, that's possible 13.03.29 # And it wouldn't seem to be a big performance hit to make lcd_clearpixel() use a value from an array the same size as the framebuffer 13.03.42 # ...rather than a single variable 13.04.23 # * preglow hands linuxstb the hat of loop unrolling and movem.l 13.05.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.05.21 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 13.08.19 # linuxstb: actually, i haven't thought it to be that simple 13.08.24 # We could simply make the framebuffer twice the size it is now (with the second half of the framebuffer storing the bg image), so lcd_clearpixel() becomes something like "*address=*(address+(LCD_WIDTH*LCD_HEIGHT));" instead of "*address=bg_pattern;" 13.09.15 # amiconn, Linus: It seems that the unit is to blame for the error I get in the USB OTG screen of my new H300. We did some tests with Rob last night and we found that in my unit shorting OTG port Pin 4 and Pin 5 causes the error (while on Robs unit it won't) I emailed iriver to RMA it and I am waiting an answer. Do you happen to have any suggetstions? 13.10.07 # XavierGr: none whatsoever 13.10.43 # ... and lcd_cleardisplay() simply does a memcpy from the second half of the framebuffer to the first. 13.10.52 # then I should procced with RMA. pitty :( 13.11.16 # * linuxstb fires up vi 13.12.34 # XavierGr: 320 or 340? 13.13.09 # 340 13.13.22 # Just got it yesterday 13.14.16 # damn 13.14.54 # I bought the unit mostly of the USB ITG function so there is no reason to keep it now. 13.15.00 # ^OTG 13.15.18 # linuxstb: I like that idea 13.15.33 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.15.35 Join StrathAFK [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 13.16.28 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.199.134) 13.16.40 # B4gder: Me test now... 13.16.59 # (I'm sure I must have missed some complication) 13.17.07 # It sounds pretty logical, though. 13.17.11 # works so, so here 13.17.13 # does anyone fancy adding the boost_counter to wps? so we can see how much effort the gui is adding 13.18.57 # I would quite like that idea - a sort of "CPU load" indicator. 13.20.17 Join Nuxator [0] (n=chatzill@abo-191-249-68.guy.modulonet.fr) 13.20.25 # hi 13.20.37 # <_FireFly_> if is there a function which returns the boost_counter then it would be easy to add a wps-tag 13.20.56 # with the color wps can we make 2bit bmps for h1x0? 13.21.20 # yes 13.22.23 # And how a make a such 2bit bmp? 13.22.33 # make it 24bit 13.22.47 # i modified a 1 bit bmp with paint 13.22.52 # switch it to color 13.23.16 # add some grey and only the bmp is displayed with 1 bit color 13.23.22 # all text is gone 13.23.31 # extern int boost_counter - does extern make boost_counter global? 13.24.10 # (so it can be used in the wps) 13.24.17 # holy shit! it works!!!!! 13.24.30 # what? 13.24.48 # lcd backdrop 13.25.45 # don't know what it is but congrats ^^ 13.25.49 # what is lcd backdrop? 13.25.50 # LinusN: You beat me to it? 13.25.54 # apparently 13.25.57 # yes i did! haha! 13.25.59 # bastard.... 13.26.02 # will it give performance gain? 13.26.06 # hahah 13.26.06 # "yes" 13.26.17 # i had a thought 13.26.27 # ok 13.26.27 # * linuxstb applies for patent 13.26.35 # someone make a customisable status bar 13.26.40 # and we'll have retailos clone in no time 13.26.41 Quit needleboy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.26.57 # Well, with a customizable backdrop, we no longer need "background color" settings. 13.27.25 Join needleboy [0] (n=needlebo@DSL217-132-174-36.bb.netvision.net.il) 13.27.35 # http://linus.haxx.se/snapshot1.png 13.27.52 # wow 13.28.01 # this must be set in the news page 13.28.07 # nah 13.28.07 # Man, that's funny lookin' 13.28.08 # now _THATS_ cheesy 13.28.13 # it was only an experiment 13.28.14 # nice 13.28.15 # what is that? 13.28.24 # Linus, the new color changer? 13.28.27 # i bet it's dog slow on target 13.28.41 # needleboy: i just tried linuxstb's idea 13.28.47 # LinusN: it shouldn't be THAT slow with some movem action 13.28.52 # no 13.29.01 # the best part is that scrolling works 13.29.22 # still doesn't cover the case where you draw over something that's not a background image 13.29.39 # nope 13.29.54 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@dawnmist.demon.co.uk) 13.30.16 # <_FireFly_> now only positioning the text horizontal is missing, isn't it ? :) 13.30.54 # and the bg "shading" for the select bar... 13.31.07 # LinusN: How about making a nice gradient fill the default background now? 13.31.16 # yes! 13.31.20 # cooooooooooooooool 13.31.22 # (just because we can....) 13.31.23 # * preglow votes for: that 13.31.24 # You know its quite fun to watch the buzz iPod Linux is creating. 13.31.35 # * Paul_The_Nerd votes for that as well 13.31.40 # Cassandra: wherewhat? 13.31.57 # There's someone on LWN saying we can't possibly do > 128kpbs Vorbis because ipodlinux can't. 13.32.03 # Cassandra: Yes :) 13.32.05 # hahahaha 13.32.12 # And "linux isn't that slow...." 13.32.20 # http://lwn.net/Articles/169631/ 13.32.21 # Cassandra: Of course we can't. This song I'm listening to is reporting fallsly at 260... 13.32.28 # *falsely 13.32.41 # It's because we are using bitrate peeling in Vorbis.... 13.32.50 # Bettter not tell him we're not even using the second core yet. 13.33.06 # hahahahahaha 13.33.46 # hahah 13.33.47 Quit Nuxator ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") 13.33.50 # time for a genuine "rofl" 13.33.56 # * LinusN sends his thanks to amiconn for the wonderful lcd driver concept 13.34.03 # * linuxstb seconds that. 13.34.12 # I mean, my whole battery test was a playlist of Q8 vorbis audio, and not an underrun the whole time 13.34.17 # god 13.34.26 # how i _love_ people who have no idea what they're talking about 13.34.33 # <_FireFly_> :) 13.34.35 # i have a thought 13.34.35 # I just gave up on that thread... 13.34.49 # And according to dapreview, we're crazy kids 13.35.01 # kids we are 13.35.03 # could it be the display is slow due to the use of BMPs and not some form of compressed images? 13.35.09 # some of us are even below 30! 13.35.10 # say GIFs? 13.35.26 # needleboy: No, bmps will be the fastest.... 13.35.33 Quit Cassandra (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC with a difference") 13.35.39 # cause no decoding needs to be done? 13.35.43 # decompressing would make it even slower 13.35.43 # <_FireFly_> yepp 13.35.57 # what if this is done only once, when caching? 13.36.02 # i agree. having to deal with lzw or whatever's in gif isn't a fun prospect. 13.36.04 # <_FireFly_> beside this in ram the image is uncompressed 13.36.15 # <_FireFly_> or the deflate algo :) 13.36.17 # needleboy: what would we gain then? 13.36.24 # <_FireFly_> only diskspace afaik 13.36.25 # its much better to do the uncompress once and store the uncompressed data on disk => bmp 13.36.33 # i've just been explained that... 13.36.45 # needleboy: Inside Rockbox, image data is stored in exactly the format it needs to be sent to the LCD hardware. We can't do any better than that. 13.36.59 # <_FireFly_> needleboy in ram the image will be uncompressed regardless if you u se bmp/gif or somthin else 13.37.13 # the only better approach would be to store the pic as rb-format on disk instead of bmp 13.37.19 # ok 13.37.34 # But that would only speed up the loading, not the actual display. 13.37.39 # yes 13.38.09 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@dawnmist.demon.co.uk) 13.38.16 # boy, is the interface sluggish on the target with the backdrop 13.38.28 # So it's a significant slow-down? 13.38.29 # but it's damn cool 13.38.40 # i didn't optimize it a bit 13.38.46 # Aww - that's so sweet! "Apple should pay a nice sum for these nice guys who turn their fashion crap into a music player". 13.38.48 # just a proof of concept really 13.39.03 # GoldenQuotes material 13.40.34 # * amiconn spots something about lcd driver slowdown... :/ 13.40.34 # :D 13.41.00 # ain't i'm glad i brought it up :)) 13.41.08 # amiconn: We are in love with your bg image idea. 13.41.19 # I wonder how similar iAudio 6 is to x5 13.41.32 # 4GB flash player 13.42.21 # oh man! that player looks niiiiiiiiiice! 13.42.23 # USB OTG 13.42.39 # It's not flash, though 13.42.46 # they don't have a working prototype? 13.42.46 # lol @ cassandras quote ^^ 13.42.46 # its not? 13.42.51 # .85 inch drive 13.42.55 # no, it's 0.85HD 13.42.59 # ah right 13.43.02 # missed that part 13.43.12 # why isn't there a photo with the screen on? 13.43.34 # the pdf has it on 13.43.39 # although very dark 13.43.42 # looking 13.43.44 # color? 13.43.50 # yes 13.43.58 # 160x128 18bit 13.44.08 # LinusN: Will you commit the background feature? ;) 13.44.08 # which makes it sound like the x5 13.44.09 # what PDF? 13.44.18 # Rob2222_: no 13.44.23 # needleboy: I found a spec sheet. In swedish! 13.44.25 # x5 was huge player with small screen 13.44.29 # http://www.iaudio.se/data/product/files/p20-iA6%20Press.pdf 13.44.32 # huge? 13.44.34 # this is small player with an appropriate screen 13.44.42 # huge compared to the screen... 13.44.42 # x5 is smaller than h3x0 13.44.49 # I disagree 13.45.44 # i think the photo in the PDF is superimposed 13.45.54 Join Nuxator [0] (n=chatzill@abo-191-249-68.guy.modulonet.fr) 13.45.54 # don't think they have a working prototype of it yet 13.45.55 # can i assume the code section is writable in rockbox? :> 13.46.16 # but it looks damn promissing 13.46.16 # needleboy: they are up for sales in "feb 2006" in Sweden they say 13.46.51 # ok i think i understand : we can't use an image as background when in 24bits. right? 13.46.51 # mid feb even 13.46.58 # it is feb 06 ;) shouldn't there be some notice of the launch? 13.47.09 # figure i can use the stack pointer as a general purpose register if i can just stow it away somewhere :P 13.47.16 # why would they hide the color screen then? weird... 13.47.23 # Please add your favorites: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes 13.47.30 # I don't think they "hide" it 13.48.27 # because when i use an 24 bit image as background all i see is the background, everithing else of my wmp is gone 13.49.50 # Nuxator: Images draw on top, so if you want to see text you have to block transparent areas. Anywhere you want to have text, fill in with the color 255, 0, 255. 13.50.27 # ok thanks 13.53.17 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.53.56 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-19-48.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.54.17 Quit Nuxator ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") 13.54.25 # I know about the forums for iriver hx00 rockbox, but is there anywhere to discuss the ipod rockbox (other than then rockbox site)? 13.55.01 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.56.05 # elinenbe: Are you asking about an equivalent to misticriver? 13.57.20 # linuxstb: yes... 13.58.49 # misticriver is a general iRiver site - the equivalent is (I think) www.ilounge.com. But I wouldn't recommend it.... 13.59.22 # They also haven't discovered Rockbox there, apart from one thread asking when colors will be supported... 13.59.54 # So the answer is no - there is nowhere else. 14.00.20 # thanks. 14.01.26 # that's an opening for elinenbe.com! ;-) 14.02.03 # yeah... I already have linenberg.com 14.02.15 # I don't think I'll be hosting a ipod site... 14.02.31 # my host is in a world of permanent slowdown 14.02.53 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 14.03.34 # * Cassandra wonders if Linus is quiet because he's optimising the background patch. (Any chance of a screenshot?) 14.03.56 # * elinenbe wonders the same things as Cassandra 14.03.57 # There's a screenshot up there somewhere ---^ 14.04.12 # http://linus.haxx.se/snapshot1.png 14.04.14 # Also, someone needs to commit something with errors or warnings. That one little 1 in the table looks lonely. 14.04.19 # :-P 14.04.34 # yeah, we want that xmas tree look! 14.05.49 # hahaha 14.06.15 # Thanks. That's ... pink. ;) 14.06.34 # i'd just like a gradient from crazy-ass pink to mint green 14.06.46 # You're a sick man 14.07.01 # i prefer the term 'crazy' 14.07.27 # you're sick crazy... 14.07.37 # whatever that means :p 14.07.53 # http://linus.haxx.se/snapshot2.png 14.07.59 # Ooooooh 14.08.14 # now that is neat 14.08.45 # gameboy and marvin gaye, enough for any train trip 14.09.06 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/awesome.png 14.09.23 # * preglow vomits 14.09.41 # Nice, Linus. Perhaps we should stick to a gradient of just blues as a potential default though. 14.09.54 # agreed upon 14.10.29 # We don't have enough blues to fill the screen though (IIUC) 14.10.36 # https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?func=detail&atid=439120&aid=1421422&group_id=44306 14.11.15 # linuxstb, use the boxes-220x178c theme instead. 14.12.05 # Cassandra: Yes, I saw that. I just haven't updated from cvs today. 14.13.10 # linuxstb, well hurry up and update then - I want to see it. ;) 14.16.23 # optimizing the patch according to linuxstb's idea wasn't as easy as i hoped 14.16.54 # i'll leave that for the cycle-squeezers in the crowd 14.17.18 # and his name is Jens ;-) 14.17.45 # That sounds vaguely rude. 14.19.26 # :-) 14.21.51 Part Paul_The_Nerd 14.23.01 # haha 14.23.12 # very likely that he'll spend time on optimising a background image solution, yes 14.23.23 Join Jolt [0] (n=56280280@labb.contactor.se) 14.24.14 Quit Moos ("CGI:IRC") 14.24.50 # preglow: Yes, although I'll probably not use it myself 14.24.55 # i'm surprised things like transparency and alpha mapping can't be optimised a lot on the coldfire 14.25.03 # of course, then you'd be fighting with optimising the codecs 14.25.43 # ashridah: the problem is the SDRAM speed 14.25.55 # * ashridah nods 14.26.02 # preglow: Don't assume code section to be writable 14.26.03 # it's not the coldfire per se 14.26.10 # It's not when running from flash 14.26.13 # not enough processing bandwidth is the limiting factor 14.26.18 # how come the iriver firmware isn't laggy? what's the difference between it's lcd driver and rockbox's? 14.26.37 # needleboy: probably a few thousand man-hours? 14.26.40 # needleboy: the iriver ui is very static 14.26.41 # lol 14.26.42 # well. okay, a few hundred. PAID manhours :) 14.26.52 # got me there... 14.26.57 # not much movement at all 14.27.03 # and detailed specs and manufacturer help 14.27.09 # preglow: ...and don't even think about writing self-modifying code, bad guy! ;) 14.27.10 # and a static wps 14.27.19 # lets get us some iriver devs, no? 14.27.34 # you can't compare the iriver lcd driver with rockbox 14.27.51 # needleboy: i doubt they've got clearance in their contract to be helping rockbox 14.28.02 # i'm joking... 14.28.18 # what makes you think that the iriver lcd driver is any faster than the rockbox driver? 14.28.26 # amiconn: not selfmodifying, i just want to save my stack pointer in a pc-relative place 14.28.28 # i bet it's way slower than ours 14.28.37 # amiconn: but no, i wont do it 14.30.06 Join jjmontem [0] (i=jjmontem@cpe-24-166-63-210.neo.res.rr.com) 14.30.55 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 14.31.47 Part Paul_The_Nerd 14.32.32 Part jjmontem 14.35.07 Join novimon [0] (n=novimon@a84-230-230-239.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 14.40.37 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 14.40.57 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.41.04 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.55.12 # hehe, if we allow the wps to render some bitmaps in the backdrop framebuffer, we could do some really neat layering 14.56.37 Quit Jolt ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.57.00 # indeedo 14.57.15 # and when we have animated bg bitmaps, people will faint ;-) 14.57.19 # agreedo. :) 14.57.24 Join webguest83 [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 14.57.37 # LinusN: I can't see any noticable slow-down on the ipod's lcd with your patch. Cube is very cool :) 14.58.08 # the h300 crawls 14.58.26 # something is wrong with ipodrockbox 14.58.34 # what patch? 14.58.44 # midkay: bg bitmap patch 14.58.46 # preglow: Only one thing? 14.58.54 # god knows 14.59.00 # What's your problem? 14.59.06 # just the general lagginess 14.59.07 # og well 14.59.09 # dinner time 14.59.10 # B4gder, ah :) 15.00.28 # What's keylock on the JBR again? 15.00.37 # As in how do you turn it on? 15.00.44 # on+up methinks 15.00.52 # yes, that sounds familiar 15.00.54 # in wps 15.01.36 # That's giving me the pitch menu. 15.01.45 # doh 15.02.11 # f1+up? 15.02.15 # nah 15.02.19 # jbr keylock is F1+Down iirc 15.02.20 # on+f3? 15.02.25 # hahaha 15.02.38 # F1+Up won't work, same ADC input 15.02.38 # haha, argh, how can i not remember this :) 15.02.44 # non-stick memory 15.02.47 # amiconn: ah, yes 15.03.04 # on+f-something, i think :) 15.03.04 # That's in spite of me not using keylock :) 15.03.24 # maybe you still use your archos 15.03.35 # None of those seem to work. 15.04.10 # apps/gui/gwps.h line 92 15.04.13 # Cassandra: Didn't you write a manual? :) 15.04.20 # f1+down. 15.04.37 # i love google. 15.04.37 # It was a long tme ago, in a dfferent country, and besides, the wench is dead. 15.04.43 # i win. :) 15.05.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.05.23 # midkay: scroll up 15 lines 15.05.38 # oh. i lose. :( 15.07.04 # F1 + down does work, yeah. ;_ 15.08.35 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.09.12 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-6-219.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.12.36 # the cube does indeed look cool with a backdrop image 15.12.47 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa233.4.tellas.gr) 15.14.20 # *sigh* God still hates me, my race/deadlock condition didn't fix itself while I slept. 15.14.37 Quit _FireFly_ ("Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.") 15.14.58 # lostlogic: is it really that important to use asm in the callback? 15.15.43 # LinusN: posted a response on the patch tracker... interrupt handlers should be fast, but I could probably get moderately close to the same behavior without asm 15.17.02 # yeah, i think asm for that amount of basic grunt work isn't worth it 15.17.39 # especially since the callback isn't called very often, is it? 15.17.56 # every DMA0 interrupt during playback ~5x/s 15.18.00 # The lock wps tag doesn't work on Archos btw. 15.18.14 # (But I took it out since I didn't have room for it anyway. 15.18.21 # lostlogic: so a few cycles here and there is a fart in space 15.18.32 # It's less useful on Archos because the lock is software anyway.. 15.19.37 # like I said, I'll compare the real performance, and post once I have this stuff not deadlocking... you're probably right, the big differences I noticed onthat function were when some vars it touched were still in SDRAM 15.19.38 # * LinusN spots an AIFF decoder in the tracker 15.21.01 # * Cassandra hopes Archos users won't feel neglected now. ;) 15.21.24 # Cassandra: no worries, most archos users are blind ;-) 15.21.40 # indeed? 15.21.46 # joke 15.22.07 # cos somebody wrote me he was using an archos..and he was blind :o 15.22.39 # and he wrote rockbox make him possible to use that player 15.22.47 # very many archos rockbox users are blind 15.22.55 # We have a lot of blind Archos users. It was the first and for a long time only blind accessible MP3 player, thanks to Rockbox. 15.23.06 # kewl... 15.23.13 # but at&t doesn't seem to like it ;-) 15.23.31 # If anyone is interested, here is a comparison of the new clearpixel() function in Coldfire and ARM asm (gcc's output): http://pastebin.com/533739 15.23.46 # Argh, the Archos LCD! It's so tiny/huge! 15.23.57 # linuxstb_: you beat me to it! 15.24.02 # At last.... 15.24.02 # 1-1 then :-) 15.24.03 # someone try my new version of the progressbar? 15.24.04 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1413195&group_id=44306&atid=439120 15.24.42 # linuxstb_: we should be able to squeeze at least one add/subb from it 15.28.20 Join ShyK [0] (i=Shy@80.74.125.61) 15.28.23 # LinusN, can you take a look on the patch? 15.28.37 # Paprica: it looks like it's backward compatible, is it? 15.29.13 # mm what is the meaning of backward compatible? 15.29.25 # of a old cvs version? 15.29.25 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.29.32 # that you can use the old %pb format 15.29.39 # ahh 15.29.40 # dumb question, what's wrong with the old coldfire clearpixel? looks shorter to me 15.29.42 # yes you can 15.29.55 # ep0ch: the new sets a bg picture 15.29.58 # Paprica: wps_data->progress_height=6; 15.29.58 # and you can set only hight 15.30.00 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-69-21.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.30.01 # or only start 15.30.09 # Cassandra: keep adding wpses at this rate, and amiconn is going to start crying himself to sleep 15.30.12 # ah 15.30.25 # Paprica: shouldn't that be based on the font height? 15.30.32 # no 15.31.02 # ah, now i see 15.31.09 # #define PROGRESS_BAR_HEIGHT 6 15.31.11 # ok 15.31.12 # =] 15.31.37 # ugh, audio thread calls sleep(5) and that's the last place that either the audio thread or the codec thread run afaics 15.33.26 # lostlogic: i'm really pleased that you are digging in this code 15.33.31 # Paprica, the patch was tested today by me and Membrillo 15.33.34 # works great! 15.33.50 # i like it 15.33.52 # Membrillo even made a WPS already 15.33.53 # http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.zip 15.34.05 # LinusN: cool :) It's fun... when it's not deadlocking :-P 15.34.05 # =] 15.34.21 # mm screendump? 15.34.31 # hold on, i'll make 15.34.35 # ok 15.34.57 # Paprica: since it's backwards compatible, and such a simple addition, i think you can commit it 15.35.10 # but remember to update the wiki page as well 15.35.13 # haha i have a birthday tomorrow ;] 15.35.14 # mm 15.35.22 # ok 15.35.32 # so i can commit it? 15.35.46 # i take it you have compiled it on all targets without warnings? 15.35.55 # yep 15.35.59 # then commit it 15.36.00 # no warnings 15.36.03 # ok 15.36.05 # =] 15.36.07 # Paprica: early happy birthday with pepper on top. 15.36.21 # my second commit ;] 15.36.34 # happy commiting ;) 15.36.35 # hmm, ditto 15.36.38 # ShyK, thanks ;] 15.36.41 # Paprica: you have no excuse for not having cracks in your bricks anymore 15.36.55 # Agreed! 15.36.56 # transparency is there 15.37.05 # yep i now 15.37.08 # would be sooo cool with a backdrop 15.37.21 # know 15.37.22 # * 15.37.42 # i working on it.. 15.37.56 # preglow: I live to give amicon a nervous breakdown. 15.38.05 # Do we want backdrops on < 16bpp displays? (I'm assuming not....) 15.38.08 # Paprica: played your game quite a bit yesterday, much fun! 15.38.11 # http://paulgeluid.nl/apps/rockbox/dump.bmp 15.38.15 # Paprica ^ 15.38.18 # linuxstb_: i say not 15.38.19 # Let's just say it'smy way of encouraging him to do a single bmp patch. ;) 15.38.35 # lostlogic, haha =] 15.38.38 # * amiconn cries 15.39.05 # single bmp wont work 15.39.12 # it'll be too much work for wps creators 15.39.20 # Cassandra: You've forgotten ALAC and AAC codec bmp files in your WPSs (I think everyone has....). And maybe the Archos WPSs don't need all those codec bmps - it will just upset them... 15.39.34 # lol 15.39.37 # funny wps 15.39.41 # looks nice, no? 15.39.58 # Cassandra: you should especially remove the wav bmp before someone assaults amiconn and forces him to unify the playback engines 15.40.35 # I would, but ... I can't be arsed. 15.40.45 # Feel free to do it yourself. ;) 15.41.54 # what's that decompressor in the CVS? 15.42.28 # It's for decompressing firmware images on some Archos targets 15.43.02 # * amiconn wants a written explanation of the swcodec playback engine 15.43.20 # * linuxstb_ points to lostlogic 15.43.32 # Otherwise I'm not sure whether I'll ever touch it 15.43.33 # amiconn: I plan on it... once I understandit well enough to make iT BLOODY STOP DEADLOCKING 15.44.51 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.45.29 # You know, needle boy, that WPS really ought to say "Cow Playing". 15.45.42 # lol 15.45.55 # i'll tell that to Membrillo... it's his WPS 15.45.59 # good one :) 15.48.12 # Anyone thought about how many background images Rockbox needs to store? I'm thinking we will need to switch between three different images - one for use generally in Rockbox (a "wallpaper" in the file browser and menus), one that can be used by a plugin, and one for the WPS. 15.48.54 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@194.248.234.151) 15.48.55 # i think we should offer a way to draw to the backdrop buffer 15.49.10 # at least backdrop_bitmap() 15.49.20 # I was thinking of a set_backdrop_image_ptr() function which takes a pointer to the bitmap image. Meaning the lcd_backdrop[] buffer is no longer needed. 15.49.23 # then the plugin could draw in the backdrop as it pleases 15.49.34 # linuxstb_: ahaaa 15.49.55 # me likes it 15.50.32 # it'd be nice if you could fix the location of the progress bar like it was an image, be a good option for text too.. 15.50.46 # And we can do the address subtraction in that function - and store the offset from the framebuffer to the backdrop buffer. 15.51.28 # good idea 15.51.47 # We won't necessarily need subtraction 15.51.57 # coldfire has nice indexed addressing modes 15.52.04 # the whole WPS needs to be rebuilt to work on coordinates instead of lines/collumns... 15.52.41 # the wps should work with "boxes" imho 15.52.54 # where each box has a pixel coordinate but is line-based within 15.52.57 # the indexed address mode is quite unfortunately slower than the other ones :/ 15.53.14 # B4gder, what's the logic? 15.53.18 # why? 15.53.25 # B4gder: I think that's the same as the viewport idea Linus and I discussed the other day. 15.53.32 # yes 15.53.52 # needleboy: to start with, the current WPSes could work as-is 15.54.18 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.54.31 # that's true... 15.54.37 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484E4D1.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.54.40 # and lines are fine when you change font 15.55.18 # how much effects high volume battery life? 15.56.37 # nearly nothing 15.56.54 # great 15.57.03 # okay at MAX volume you'll have about 20mA more current ... 15.57.17 # maybe half an hour up to an hour less life 15.57.31 # but when you dont go to MAX volume, then evrything is okay 15.57.33 # thats ok 15.57.38 # (-6dB -> half current) 15.58.20 # losing some runtime is ok vs disturbing hisses 15.58.55 # what do you mean? 15.59.08 # what hisses? 15.59.13 # (what are u doing?) 16.00.15 # i'm not following him either... 16.01.13 Join Jolt [0] (n=56280280@labb.contactor.se) 16.01.25 # my h320 "features" some unpleasant base-hisses. you'll notice them when you play music mute. using an attenuator kicks high noises but crops volume 16.01.47 # thus i have to increase volume 16.02.46 # btw an attenuator can kick remote clicking noises either 16.02.55 # ah... i see now 16.07.12 Join NightCat [0] (n=pink__ki@garant.metacom.ru) 16.07.30 Join xam [0] (i=xam@bucephalas-wifi.6.strangled.net) 16.07.31 # Hi All! 16.07.35 # hi 16.07.37 # yo 16.07.50 # druschba ;) 16.07.55 # Wassap? 16.08.08 # just got my new (up to) 2950mAh rate AA rechargeable batteries ... 16.08.15 # muesli__: Still working on your russian? 16.08.26 # da 16.08.29 # ;) 16.08.33 # konjeschno 16.08.34 # muesli__: Kruto! 16.08.48 # "Kruto" = cool :) 16.09.08 # :-) 16.10.28 # muesli: 16.10.34 # Ah.. And I want a new WPS system... 16.10.40 # this "attentuator", what is it doing? 16.10.46 # Why I'm not so experienced for develop it... 16.11.23 # what player do you have NightCat 16.11.38 # Jolt: H320... 16.11.51 # because if it only crops volume... and doesnt drain power, your batteries wont recharge faster 16.12.03 # Have you seen some of the 24bit WPS's? 16.12.26 # Jolt: Yes, but I mean a better WPS language... 16.12.46 # ahhhhhh 16.12.50 Quit NicoFR (Remote closed the connection) 16.12.57 # For ex. posibility to put text to any X and Y of the creen... 16.13.03 # screen 16.13.12 # would be handy alrite 16.13.15 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.13.43 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.13.44 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.13.46 # I think it'll be great if WPS will be something like simple programming language (script language)... 16.13.53 # yea 16.14.13 # I want "if" condition in WPS. 16.14.31 # Matze41 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attenuator 16.14.51 # NightCat: One suggestion is to add commands like set_viewport(x,y,width,height), and you would then display lines of text as normal in that viewport. 16.14.52 # Like if(%volume>30){puttext(5,5,">30")} 16.15.38 # linuxstb_: But willnot it be slower? 16.15.44 # muesli: so it is only a resistor in series with your headphones? 16.15.53 # Slower than what? 16.15.53 # (I mean viewport) 16.16.09 # Slower then just puttext(x,y,"text") 16.16.46 # Not significantly - it just needs a few additions to adjust the co-ordinates. 16.16.50 # nightcat: yes it will be slower! but THAT low you wont recognize... 16.17.11 # And it will support clipping of the text and scrolling. 16.18.02 # I just want to know: is someone working on it? 16.18.19 # Or this is just a words? 16.18.44 # It's been discussed here, but I don't know if anyone is working on it. 16.19.23 # I really want to do something like that myself... But with my exp. level it'll take a loooong time... 16.22.24 Quit NightCat (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.22.30 Join NightCat [0] (n=pink__ki@garant.metacom.ru) 16.22.34 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 16.22.41 # NightCat: Hopefully someone who knows that code will do it. Something like that is definitely needed to limit scrolling text. 16.23.11 # Yes UA right... 16.24.05 # hey needleboy! 16.26.10 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 16.26.45 # Matze41 its a jack like http://www.headphone.com/productphotos/small/0050330001_610.jpg 16.27.45 # muesli__: i dont know that... you have a "normal productlink", not just foto? 16.27.47 # photo.. 16.28.20 # NightCat: wps supports conditionals for a long time 16.28.35 # its just an adapter switched between vol-out and headphones 16.28.37 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.28.58 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.29.42 # We do not want a real language in place of the tags because (1) the parser would be more complex, and hence slower and larger and (2) the wps files would be significantly larger as well 16.30.55 # binary! 16.31.05 Quit needleboy () 16.31.06 # the parser would be dead small, as well as the file 16.31.29 # Yes, and it would probably crash on invalid input; no thanks 16.31.46 # The current format is a compromise imho 16.31.49 # mm 16.32.06 # what i need to wirte for commit a .diff file? 16.32.19 Quit xam ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 16.32.37 # As small as possible with keeping it ascii 16.33.01 # Paprica: You need to patch your CVS copy of the Rockbox source with that diff, and then commit the changes. 16.33.14 # how? 16.33.19 # to send.. 16.33.21 # It could be possible to parse a textual .wps on load and keep it in RAM as binary though 16.33.29 # amiconn: no bigger risk of crashing on bigger input with binary files 16.33.35 # anyway, i wasn't seriouws 16.33.37 # Paprica: The same way you make other commits - cvs commit -m 'log message' file.c 16.33.52 # and i can do it on folder? 16.34.33 # Yes - that will commit _every_ change to _every_ file in that directory - e.g. "cd apps/gui/ ; cvs commit -m 'log file'" 16.34.45 # ok 16.34.48 # commit it. 16.35.10 # You can always test by simply typing "cvs diff -u3" - in the same directory you are planning to type "cvs commit" 16.35.23 # That will display the changes that a commit would make. 16.35.47 # yep i know 16.35.48 # 10x 16.36.42 # Is it okay to extend the global_settings structure to include an additional 15 (or maybe 16) fields? 16.37.28 # preglow: The .cfg loader does in fact work that way 16.37.37 Join Rob- [0] (n=robbie@haylott.plus.com) 16.37.55 # (converting on load) 16.40.32 # Paprica: code should be 80 characters wide 16.41.01 # though gwps-common doesn't seem to respect that too much 16.43.40 # amiconn: I read what you write for me (Just let you know). But I don't agree... 16.44.07 # We have the conditions, but they are too simple... 16.44.23 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.44.39 # I want a condition to check ">" "<" or "=" something to something... 16.45.00 # we can make a tag for that 16.45.14 # It'll be great... 16.45.20 # but no, i agree with amiconn, a full language is too much 16.45.46 # Em, even this tag will be great... 16.45.54 # Please???!!! 16.46.43 Quit Jungti1234 () 16.46.44 # For ex. I want to put not only 11 picts for volume, and not only 5 for batt... 16.47.57 # No, I mean not more pictures but for ex. picture1 for 0, picture2 for 1 to 99 and picture3 for 100. 16.48.51 # That could have a different solution though - for example a more flexible enumeration tag 16.49.18 # Yes 16.49.38 # I would have liked more pics for the JoltSteel WPS, so as to make the volume knob scroll smoother 16.50.13 # linuxstb_: You see? People like this idea :) 16.51.24 Quit NicoFR (Remote closed the connection) 16.51.52 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.31 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-44-75.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.55.21 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p54862233.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.59.26 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.21 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p54862233.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.04.39 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.05.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.05.05 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.05.18 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.06.20 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-075-020.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.06.28 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 17.06.38 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 17.07.42 Part Musicmad 17.09.11 # if(stackptr[0] != DEADBEEF) 17.09.21 # I love reading code 17.09.27 # :-) 17.10.14 # haha 17.10.27 # i got prefetch expection at address 0xDEADBEEE yesterday 17.10.30 # made me smile, it did 17.10.53 # sounds like it's falling off a cliff to boot 17.11.07 # exception <- 17.12.54 # I fucked up some OS loader once... and got this as the grub bootloader magic number: 0x2badb010 17.13.07 # 2 bad b01 -> 2 bad boy 17.13.21 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 17.13.26 # Ok, so I have a deadlock, but I can't even figure out what thread it happens on. Audio thread goes to sleep, codec thread never wakes up, audio thread never wakes up. Any ideas on how I can figure out what thread it happens on? 17.13.35 # while it should be 0x2BADB002 17.14.34 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.15.35 # I have this "Assertion failed: hunk, file ../patch-2.5.9-src/patch.c, line 340" when trying to patch... Why? 17.16.07 # NightCat devkit ? 17.16.17 # Yes. 17.16.45 # use cygwin... 17.17.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/CygwinDevelopment 17.18.32 Join NightCat2 [0] (n=pink__ki@garant.metacom.ru) 17.18.44 # Heh, I'm here for now :) 17.19.32 Quit NightCat (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.19.51 # NightCat devkit ? 17.19.51 # 06:17PM Yes. 17.19.51 # use cygwin... 17.19.51 DBUG Enqueued KICK Bg3r 17.19.51 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/viewauth/Main/CygwinDevelopment 17.19.52 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.19.54 Nick NightCat2 is now known as NightCat (n=pink__ki@garant.metacom.ru) 17.20.05 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.20.07 # LinusN: if the kernel goes into sleep mode because all threads are asleep, the timer interrupt will wake it up causing it to ask the next thread in line if it wants to wake up, right? 17.20.36 # yes 17.20.43 # btw 17.20.50 # all threads will be woken up again when that happens 17.21.09 Join mafj2 [0] (n=mafj2@tor/session/x-5e8fd013d48ee05a) 17.21.09 # Bg3r: I said, that I tried to install cygwin but it doesnot works... 17.21.24 # Bg3r: It was about 2 months ago... 17.21.37 # Bg3r: Was there any changes that solves it? 17.21.51 # Bg3r: What OS do you use? 17.21.52 # NightCat this is new ... 17.21.53 # all threads? It should just awaken, and then run the next thread which will either go right back to sleep, sleeping the CPU till next tick, or do something and either yield or sleep... 17.22.01 # NightCat: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 17.22.06 # NightCat gentoo linux 17.22.25 # Linus made new cygwin packages ... 17.22.27 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 17.22.27 # * lostlogic cheers for Gentoo 17.22.27 # try them 17.22.40 # heh 17.22.47 # * linuxstb_ raises the Debian flag 17.22.47 # Ok. Ll try it now. 17.23.28 # Need I a new cygwin installer? 17.23.36 # New setup.exe... 17.23.47 # i don't know 17.23.57 Join GodEater [0] (n=c2cbc95c@labb.contactor.se) 17.24.00 # Then better download new one :) 17.24.13 # * preglow raises the beige flag of neutrality 17.27.00 # Who is Ben? 17.27.22 # He did a CVS commit just now... 17.27.30 # * preglow points to Paprica 17.27.38 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 17.27.42 # =] 17.27.49 # hi 17.27.51 # hahaha http://duckies.org/pictures/bigipod.jpg 17.27.53 # hi.. 17.28.12 # lol 17.28.16 # :] 17.28.16 # Paprica: found a minor bug in brickmania, I think... if I have glue paddle and get the reverse direction powerdown, after 10, both bonuses go away but the glue paddle design stays 17.28.17 # Big!! 17.28.41 # lostlogic, its not a bug 17.28.49 # the 10 secs is for the flip 17.28.57 # You didn't fix help bug. 17.28.57 # only 17.29.00 # yes, but the glue paddle is no longer sticky 17.29.04 # ahh 17.29.06 # shit 17.29.15 # i will look at this 17.29.25 # im add a broke effect now.. 17.30.43 # Paprica: Have you thought about a power-up to change the paddle size? 17.30.51 # Paprica: I'm not positive, because I only hit the ball once in that condition with glue design, but not sticky... but that's how it seems. 17.31.06 # (and a port to the Nano...) 17.31.19 # lostlogic, ok i will check it 17.31.58 # linuxstb_, yep and i will do it in the future 17.32.29 # i dont want to add new images so i need to edit the current images 17.32.37 # Paprica? 17.32.38 # Don't you fix bug that I talked? 17.32.52 # i dont know which bug... 17.32.56 # oh... 17.33.08 # I talked it before. 17.33.45 # btw would it be possbile to use play + record for steering? would be much more convienien 17.33.46 # t 17.34.02 # What is steering? 17.34.14 # moving left + right 17.34.28 # Oh :) 17.34.42 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 17.35.05 # I want to play + left/right to change next song (not the song that is playing now but that'll be next one) in WPS... 17.35.33 # play +l/r changes directory currently 17.36.02 # Paprica: game start -> go to menu -> go to help -> go to menu again -> resume game 17.36.29 # Jungti1234, ok will check it 17.36.32 Quit XavierGr () 17.36.40 # Hm... Never see that... Some times, when I see, what'll be played next I just want to change it, but not to use the NAVI to select the song... 17.37.31 # Rockbox does wrong function. 17.37.41 # Ok, I pressed play + left but nothing changes... 17.38.20 # It doesn't work by function that button is right sometimes. 17.38.36 # ...not to use the NAVI to select the song but just press something to randomly select another... 17.39.23 # hm 17.40.29 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@213-145-181-228.dd.nextgentel.com) 17.40.30 # We also can use REC + left/right and A-B + left/right... 17.40.41 # Somebody do this please... 17.40.48 # NightCat: the other combinations don't work on H1 iirc 17.41.05 # and other platforms are even more button limitted 17.41.25 # lostlogic: then just say where to look to implement it myself... 17.41.46 # I think it's not too difficult is it? 17.41.49 # NightCat: it would be very complicated as it walks around the current buffering scheme 17.42.06 # * linuxstb_ commits the AIFF codec to CVS 17.42.33 # wootwoot 17.43.00 # Am. Then why PLAY + left/right does not work? 17.43.17 # NightCat: that only works when you're in dir play mode, otherwise next dir / prev dir means nothing 17.43.34 # Then we can use it :) 17.43.56 # Check if it is not dir mode -> change next song... please... 17.44.04 # please... please... please... 17.44.20 # NightCat: haha, true... still requires deep hacking into the audio stuff because it will have to flush the buffer and stuff... 17.44.37 # Why? 17.44.58 # When we select another song (I mean queu... Ah...) 17.45.26 # "Queue next" command works. 17.45.35 # ok, if you think it would be easy, go for it :-P 17.45.42 # Haha :) 17.45.53 # Very funny :) 17.45.55 # :( 17.46.11 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh19063@217.165.99.160) 17.47.10 # What is the difference in "Queue next" and "Queue"? 17.48.01 # Isn't perhaps different. 17.48.25 # Some more ideas? 17.48.29 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.48.41 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.48.45 # Or why are they both in menu? 17.49.10 # um.. 17.49.20 # I don't know. :) 17.50.54 Join FilveR [0] (i=XiRc_V26@220.92.144.193) 17.51.03 Quit Musicmad ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 17.52.14 Quit FilveR (Client Quit) 17.53.51 # hello? 17.56.04 Join ghode|afk [0] (i=testing@host-84-9-105-221.bulldogdsl.com) 17.57.56 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A457F4.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.00.08 Quit _FireFly_ (Client Quit) 18.00.21 # Is there some way to CVS works with proxy? 18.01.10 Join DJ_TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-206-250.dsl.pipex.com) 18.06.40 # Nightcat, the difference between Queue and Queue next: 18.06.52 # http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/DSCN2580.jpg 18.06.55 # Let's say you are playing song 1. You queue songs 2 and 3. 18.07.12 # If you then queue song 4, it will play 1, 2, 3 and then 4. 18.07.24 # If you queue next song 4, it will play 1, 4, 2, 3. 18.07.34 # Jungti1234: lol 18.08.17 # hehe 18.08.18 # Then why not queue last? 18.08.40 # http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/DSCN2581.jpg , http://jungti1234.netcci.net/iriver/DSCN2582.jpg 18.10.22 # preglow: are you around? I wanted to ask you a question on the mac multiply in you're eq code 18.10.31 # go ahead 18.11.48 # well I've fixed the graphics problems with doom, but I'd like to have a asm fixed multiply, I noticed you shifted your multiply by 31 instead of 16 on doom, what needs to be changed in the asm code to apply the shift for me? 18.12.42 # i shift by 31? 18.12.48 # you mean in the generic sim code, then? 18.12.59 # FRACMUL(x, y) ((long)(((((long long) (x)) * ((long long) (y))) >> 31))) 18.13.09 # yes 18.13.13 # that's just how the mac instruction works 18.13.19 # you can't have it shift any other factors 18.13.31 # does it run at a decent rate now? 18.14.03 # btw, the doom code also multiplied two long longs, yes? 18.14.17 # well it's kindof playable, the buttons need to be fixed up and I did a bit of iconst stuff 18.14.20 # yes 18.14.30 # return (fixed_t)((long long) a*b >> FRACBITS) 18.14.39 # where fracbits was 16 18.14.52 # NightCat, if you are playing track 1, and insert track 2, and then insert next track 3, your playlist will look like this: 1, 3, 2. 18.15.18 # If you then insert another track, it will insert after the most recently inserted track, not at the end, so it would look like this: 1, 3, 4, 2. 18.15.37 # Ah... 18.15.41 # kkurbjun: you need to do a two-part multiply 18.15.46 # kkurbjun: but it's doable 18.15.48 # In that situation, if you want to insert track 4 at the end of the list, use insert last, and you'll get: 1, 3, 2, 4. 18.15.48 Quit GodEater ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.16.18 # kkurbjun: gimme a sec, and i'll give you some code 18.16.55 # preglow: thanks 18.16.58 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.17.21 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.20.54 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.22.01 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-9-96.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.23.02 # kkurbjun: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/mul.c 18.23.10 # adapted the musepack mul function to 16 frac shift 18.23.19 # make sure you init the emac unit to frac mode somewhere 18.23.57 # coldfire_set_macsr(EMAC_FRACTIONAL | EMAC_SATURATE); 18.24.00 # do that in some init place 18.24.33 # doesn't matter where in the code? 18.24.50 # just the start of doom would be fine? 18.24.53 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 18.25.21 # somewhere it just gets called once 18.26.21 # does he need to reset it back at some point as well? 18.26.40 # what is 'Proof of concept backdrop image'? 18.26.46 # preglow: thanks, I'll give this a try 18.27.02 # lostlogic, i try to get the bug on brickmania 18.27.07 # but it work fine 18.27.11 # without the bug.. 18.27.21 # Paprica: and? 18.27.26 # Paprica: if I get it again, I'll give you better info on what/how it happened. 18.27.30 # the glue stay glue after the 10 secs 18.27.33 # kkurbjun: lemme know if it works and if it speeds stuff up 18.27.38 # ok 18.28.08 # Jungti1234, i didnt check the bug that you report..(yet) 18.28.17 # hm? 18.28.27 # It's not difficult. 18.28.44 # Paprica: what does the N powerup do? I just got a N and then a G very quickly and for a little while I wasn't sticky, but I became sticky then 18.28.52 # A new cygwin works! 18.29.14 # N is normal 18.29.15 # N - normal 18.29.17 # :) 18.29.28 # Paprica: no kind of timeout on it or something? 18.29.29 # no fire, no glue normal like the start 18.29.34 # no 18.29.36 # NightCat: I use devkit. hehe 18.29.48 # Cygwin better! 18.29.58 # And now it works on windoz... 18.30.01 # no! hehe 18.30.04 # Yes! 18.30.08 # nono!! 18.30.17 # hehe 18.30.26 # Yes Yes it does patches and devkit doesnot :) 18.30.28 # hehe! 18.30.34 # haha 18.30.59 # Let's stop. 18.31.05 # Ok 18.31.08 # I use devkit in Windows. 18.31.25 # ok, break effect working! 18.31.25 # http://img221.imageshack.us/img221/4738/dump0602011929418wd.png 18.31.34 # It works fine. 18.31.40 # oh 18.31.52 # What is Aiff? (I know that it is a music codec but what?) 18.31.59 # Paprica: ugly. 18.32.09 # thank you :[ 18.32.14 # wahahaha sorry 18.32.25 # you have other bmp? 18.33.53 # um 18.34.05 # Paprica sweeet :) 18.34.13 # =] 18.34.47 # last night ive finished brick though ;) 18.34.57 # but will do it surely again 18.35.01 # i resize the bricks width and add a 1 pixel to the width 18.35.19 # so you cant go to the up in the start.. 18.35.42 # Paprica: cool, kinda reminds dx-ball 18.35.49 # multiball would kick ass also :) 18.36.02 # hahaha =] 18.36.25 # i guess wishes wont take an end :o 18.36.36 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 18.36.50 # preglow: thanks that works, it doesn't seem to speed the game up much though unfortunately 18.37.12 # I'm going to look into the graphics code as that's one of the most inefficent areas 18.37.41 Quit Moos (Client Quit) 18.37.48 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 18.37.56 # NightCat: the standard Apple container format for PCM. 18.38.54 # Thanks. 18.40.02 # kkurbjun: anything you can put in iram? 18.41.37 # preglow: I put the sin/cosine tables in iram, unfortunately they take up almost the whole space and don't seem to speed the game up much 18.42.31 # so I'm planning on looking into some other stuff 18.42.49 # theres some optimizations from prboom/boom that look interesting 18.43.06 # specifically in the wad caching and lookups 18.43.17 # Night is deep... 18.43.34 # kkurbjun: what the hell? 18.43.44 # kkurbjun: how large are they? 18.43.46 # bye 18.43.52 # have a good day 18.43.59 Quit Jungti1234 () 18.44.44 # the cosine/sine table is 10240 ints, the tan table is 4096 ints 18.45.19 # and then there's still the tantoangle table 18.45.30 # turning on optimizations helped alot just now though 18.45.31 # : ) 18.45.50 # hahah, what? 18.45.58 # you didn't use any -O ? 18.46.31 # I would even say playable with fixed buttons.. no, I had them turned off while I was figuring out the graphics bug 18.47.00 # whatever doom was calling for abs before wasn't returning the vales it needed which messed up everything 18.47.07 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@217.9.226.114) 18.47.20 # haha 18.48.38 # AIFF, thats the mac version of WAV? i think i might try the null playback on them both for a laugh 18.50.16 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b37.pool.mediaWays.net) 18.51.04 # aiff is mainly developed by apple 18.51.16 # sgi used it too 18.51.47 # its raw pcm in chunks 18.52.20 # ep0ch: remember the ~10mb limit on the null playback or it stops (if you are using my null timer patch) 18.52.26 # hmm think i might ADPCM while i'm at it 18.52.35 # only 10mb? 18.52.57 # i thought it was the full codec buffer size 18.53.07 # ah well, good to know 18.53.45 # ep0ch: no, only the initial buffer size for now... once I have figured out this deadlock I still have, I might revisit that and make it smarter, but for now, it reads one song up to the initial buffer fill amount of ~10mb 18.54.43 # ahh ok, another nice thing for your todo list could be a wav writer :) 18.55.00 # aiff is raw pcm like the most-often used sub-format of .wav, but it is big-endian 18.55.20 # So, aiff should perform a bit better than .wav on iriver, and vice versa on iPod 18.55.27 # ep0ch: I don't see the point to a wav writer on device, why? 18.56.18 # to compare codec output quality, i've used the SPDIF for this previously, but not all targets have this ofcourse 18.56.51 # i agree 18.56.55 # i've wanted it for a long time 18.57.26 # and spdif doesn't give you all the bits 18.57.28 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 18.57.41 Quit Genre9mp3 (Client Quit) 18.58.01 # hmm i wonder if rockbox.ipod gives more accurate MAD output than iriver... 18.58.19 # it should 18.58.20 # by far 18.58.25 # that is 18.58.28 # not by far 18.58.30 # perhaps three bits more? 18.58.40 # i don't know how much that matters for the final output, though 18.58.41 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 18.58.52 # hmph ok, would you want the output straight from the codec, or post DSP? 18.59.01 # selectable :-) 18.59.09 # ass 18.59.29 # well, remember i did the testing on iriver via spdif, it only really gave out about 11-12 bit accuracy, i wonder if that has propgated to the arm version. 18.59.29 # preglow: fix my deadlock! it's driving me farking insane! 19.00.41 # i already am insane, and in no position to fix anything 19.00.49 # bagh 19.00.59 # ep0ch: then that's a bug i've introduced 19.05.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.06.57 Quit DJ_TCK ("I shall not cease!") 19.07.05 Join Philip_0729 [0] (n=Philip_0@user-6565.l6.c4.dsl.pol.co.uk) 19.08.02 Quit Moos ("Parti") 19.13.28 # How to calculate colors, for ex. 255,255,255 (RGB) = 65535 and 0,0,0 = 0? 19.13.44 # (I mean how to calculate it on calculator not in RB) 19.15.03 Join Wired [0] (n=Wired@203.156.90.94) 19.16.00 # hello 19.16.09 # how can i upload new files to the CVS? 19.16.13 # NightCat: See the definition of the LCD_RGBPACK() macro in firmware/export/lcd.h 19.16.35 # It's RGB565 - 5 red bits, 6 green bits and 5 blue bits. 19.17.08 # Paprica: Type "cvs add newfile.c" followed by "cvs commit -m 'log message' newfile.c" 19.17.20 # ok 19.17.26 Join sanitarium [0] (n=sanitari@A-96-36.cust.iol.ie) 19.17.28 # i tried to patch the backlight navi - 2 patch on my iriver rockbox and i cant do it last time i try i almost crush my river : 19.17.57 # if i add 3 files, they will be in the same commit? 19.17.58 # can someone please tell me the command in linux to extract a zip file to my player please :D 19.18.40 # F:\patch>patch -p0 < backlight-navi-2.patch 19.18.40 # can't find file to patch at input line 8 19.18.40 # Perhaps you used the wrong -p or --strip option? 19.18.40 DBUG Enqueued KICK Wired 19.18.40 # The text leading up to this was: 19.18.40 # -------------------------- 19.18.40 *** Alert Mode level 1 19.18.40 # |Index: firmware/backlight.c 19.18.42 # |=================================================================== 19.18.44 # |RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/firmware/backlight.c,v 19.18.46 # |retrieving revision 1.70 19.18.48 # |diff -u -r1.70 backlight.c 19.18.50 # |--- firmware/backlight.c 16 Jan 2006 14:45:03 -0000 1.70 19.18.52 # |+++ firmware/backlight.c 16 Jan 2006 17:42:49 -0000 19.18.54 # Paprica: They will be in the same commit if you commit them in the same cvs commit command. 19.18.54 # -------------------------- 19.19.01 # Wired: http://www.pastebin.com 19.19.02 # that's a new one... 19.19.35 # so i can do cvs commit -m 'log message' newfile.c newfile2.c newfile3.c 19.19.40 # Wired: well, there's your explanation for you, no need to spam us with it 19.19.45 # Paprica: Exactly. 19.19.45 # Paprica: yes 19.19.49 # ok 19.20.08 # well, if the files are new, you have to "cvs add" them first 19.20.52 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.20.52 # * LinusN scrolls back and notices that his comment was redundant 19.21.06 # =] 19.21.25 # ok 19.21.40 # mm if i add the file with cvs add 19.21.46 # and i commit all apps folder 19.21.47 # can someone tell me please? 19.21.53 # and the folder include the file 19.22.00 # the file will commit? 19.22.09 Quit Bger ("[BX] Check out the sexy BitchX pr0n at http://127.0.0.1/bx-pron.html") 19.22.14 # Paprica: Yes. 19.22.17 # good =] 19.22.42 # sanitarium: "unzip rockbox.zip -d /mnt/whatever/" 19.23.00 # thanks 19.23.00 # :D 19.23.01 # sanitarium: unzip -d rockbox.zip 19.23.09 # :-) 19.23.16 # thanks, both of you 19.23.33 # oh, yeah, LinusN, the guy doesn't wana sell his H300 anymore 19.23.36 # :( 19.23.37 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.23.53 # hehe 19.24.02 # he saw my backdrop test? :-) 19.24.07 # i showed him rockbox..... he changed mind 19.24.15 # he likes playing Mortal Combat 19.24.16 # :D 19.25.32 # linuxstb_: did you work some more on the backdrop idea? 19.25.35 # LinusN: have you managed to otimise your backdrop patch ? 19.25.41 # ^^ 19.25.48 # lol 19.26.07 # ok well 19.26.07 # LinusN: No, I was about to ask you the same question. 19.26.13 # hehe 19.26.45 # well, we should probably go for your pointer idea 19.27.06 # 1 problem: the pointer has to be valid 19.27.27 # so we must always have a backdrop 19.27.28 # ill tried the oastebin 19.27.42 # i tried the pastebin - but no good 19.27.44 # Unless a NULL pointer means we fall back to the bg_pattern somehow. 19.28.02 # yes, but where would the null ptr check be? 19.28.04 # ok, commit it 19.28.07 # =] 19.28.10 # hey #rockbox 19.28.13 # what's new today? 19.28.25 # BHSPitLappy: http://linus.haxx.se/snapshot2.png 19.28.29 # :-) 19.28.32 # hmmm anyone know of any unix commands to truncate a wav file? 19.28.38 # BHSPitLappy: aiff codec 19.28.41 *** Alert Mode OFF 19.28.45 # auch!!! 19.28.50 # ep0ch: dd? 19.28.51 # this if fucking good 19.28.52 # =\ 19.28.54 # is 19.28.59 # hmmhh 19.29.01 # Paprica: what is? 19.29.06 # http://linus.haxx.se/snapshot2.png 19.29.08 # BHSPitLappy: http://linus.haxx.se/snapshot1.png 19.29.13 # biggg step =] 19.29.17 # yes that is very very cool 19.29.27 # One option would be two clearpixel functions - one for the backdrop image, one for a solid colour. 19.29.43 # oh, yeah 19.29.51 # i saw a video on plugbox 19.29.55 # linuxstb_: that's an idea, so all lcd_xxx() functions would have to check the ptr first 19.30.04 # how did you recorde the video? 19.30.08 # *record 19.30.32 # sanitarium, i capture it with snagit 19.30.36 # ohh, I think i just got the format of those screens 19.30.37 # lol 19.30.47 # The alternative is to ensure that the pointer is never null - so lcd_init would need to have a bg image pointer as a parameter. 19.30.49 # snagit? 19.30.56 # google it 19.31.10 # kk 19.31.39 # LinusN: will plain color values work too 19.31.49 # how would i go about patching the doom plugin?? http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1421032&group_id=44306&atid=439120 19.32.04 # BHSPitLappy: what do you mean? 19.32.05 # how did you record it on the iRiver though? 19.32.07 # Sim? 19.32.23 # ye 19.32.23 # p 19.32.25 # sim 19.32.36 # i cant get the 24bit images working in the sim 19.32.37 # :< 19.32.44 # LinusN: I mean in addition to setting a graphic, could you also set a solid color (of course you should be) 19.32.51 # yes you would 19.34.22 # help 19.34.28 # did safetydan say anything about how far he was in making the eq gui? 19.35.10 # lostlogic: does the null playback patch involve processing the dsp? 19.35.52 # i'm inclined to add the eq settings to global_settings 19.36.24 # and then we can use .cfg for the eq as well 19.36.35 # time to put the kids to bed 19.39.16 # well, that's got to be done anyway, no? 19.39.16 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.39.53 Quit Moos ("Parti") 19.42.39 # anyone know the command to safley remove hardware in linux? 19.44.49 # please please someone can help me with the backlight patch? 19.46.10 # Wired: what is the problem? 19.46.35 # patch involve processing the dsp? 19.46.35 # i'm inclined to add the eq setting 19.46.37 # oops 19.46.46 # i try to patch 19.46.56 # but i said something i cant understand 19.47.10 # LinusN: (when you return) One solution (if we have two clearpixels functions) is to have two lcd_fastpixelfuncs[] arrays one for the case of drawing with a backdrop image (lcd_backdrop != NULL) and one for the case of drawing with a solid color. So each lcd_xxx function would have to choose the correct function from the correct array. (7 instances in lcd-16bit.c) 19.47.11 Join goa [0] (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 19.47.16 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.47.33 # Wired: The important error message is this: "can't find file to patch at input line 8" 19.47.54 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-52-47.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.48.15 # If you look at line 8 of your patch file (open it in a text editor), it will tell your the name (and path) of the file it is expecting to patch. 19.48.16 # yep 19.48.36 # That file doesn't exist on your computer, which is why there is an error. 19.48.46 # (or it exists, but in a different place) 19.48.57 # lol 19.50.23 # where line 8 19.50.23 # ? 19.51.00 # ok so what can i do? 19.51.06 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 19.52.33 # What does line 8 say? 19.53.49 # firmware/drivers/button.c 19.53.51 # i think 19.54.00 # Paprica was brickmania updated in cvs? 19.54.35 # That means you need to be in the "rockbox" directory (the directory containing the "firmware" directory) when you type the patch command. 19.55.52 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.56.10 # ihp codec speed comparison - AIFF 889%, WAV 1074%, Vorbis(@177) 190%, ima-adpcm failed, ms-adpcm failed. 19.56.23 # ok ill try 19.56.32 # Yes, the AIFF codec is inefficient at the moment. 19.56.36 # ah 19.57.23 # It should be optimised to at least do memcpy when it can, or preferably no copying at all. 19.57.34 # can't always do that 19.58.00 # that is, depends on whether we want to keep the 16 bit interace, of course 19.58.06 # there is no such file 19.58.14 # null output patch is pretty cool, even though it is almost unusable 19.58.23 # ep0ch: oh? 19.58.35 # well buggy 19.58.53 # have to keep rebooting the iriver for each run 19.59.30 # preglow: Did you try that patch on the ipod? 20.00.40 # i get the speed at the end and then can't do anything else 20.00.41 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp47-adsl-116.ath.forthnet.gr) 20.00.59 # food 20.04.40 # there is no such directory 20.04.42 # : 20.04.43 # :( 20.05.52 # Have you downloaded the rockbox source code? 20.07.08 # yes 20.07.13 # unzipped on my iriver 20.07.18 # linuxstb_: yeah, but an old one 20.07.37 # h300.hex ? 20.07.40 # i try this 20.07.48 # and it look ok let me try 20.08.20 # i have to upgrade firmware? 20.08.25 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36364 20.08.29 # anyone see that ^^? 20.09.07 # Wired: I think you need to read this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 20.09.51 # ok now ill do it 20.10.05 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3073.gwdg.de) 20.11.10 # LinusN? 20.12.00 # sanitarium: Don't forget the only the Doom software is open source - the data (WAD) files are not. 20.12.23 # i think the shareware wad files are ok though? 20.12.38 # linuxstb_, can you take a look on the warnings on h100? 20.13.19 # i need to do in the plugin.h if lcd_depth ==16? 20.13.26 # ep0ch: I don't think we can share them, no. 20.13.40 # for the lcd_bitmap_transparent_part' 20.13.59 # Paprica: I'll have a look now. 20.14.09 # ok 20.15.01 # Paprica: You need to use the same #if test that are used in firmware/export/lcd.h - that's where the functions are originally defined. 20.15.14 # ok 20.15.15 # So in plugin.c and plugin.h you need to put #if PLUGIN_DEPTH > 1 20.16.51 # it allready there. 20.16.52 # http://pastebin.com/534159 20.17.22 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@169.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.17.56 # Hello 20.19.39 # i give up 20.19.42 # Paprica: New functions must be added at the end of the api 20.19.49 # its doesnt work 20.19.55 # why? 20.19.57 # ...and the PLUGIN_API_VERSION bumped by 1 20.19.58 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 20.20.12 # lol idont know it =\ 20.20.16 # Paprica: This is in order to keep backwards compatibility for 3rd-party plugins 20.20.34 Quit Wired () 20.21.27 # If (and _only if_) you make a change that can't be made backwards compatible (like having to remove a function that is no longer available in the core, or changing the parameters to a function in an incompatible way), 20.21.31 # ok so i add it in the end and add #if LCD_DEPTH==16 20.21.52 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 20.22.07 # the plugin api can (and should) be sorted, and you need to bump PLUGIN_MIN_API_VERSION as well 20.22.15 # yes 20.22.47 # ok and then PLUGIN_API_VERSION + 1? 20.22.48 # It seems that lcd.h defines lcd_bitmap_transparent() for LCD_DEPTH > 1, but the function itself doesn't appear to be defined in lcd-h100.c 20.23.00 # (only lcd-16bit.c) 20.23.05 # yes 20.23.13 # ok 20.23.15 # 10q 20.23.31 # That's probably because a decent-speed version on h1x0 has to use the mask 20.23.35 # sorry about this confusion 20.23.37 # It's simply not yet written 20.24.06 # OK. I was just a little confused for a moment.... 20.24.51 # Paprica: There are comments describing this in plugin.h (lines 99, 102 and 429) 20.25.16 # Oh, and line 114 20.26.22 # Argh, this is already in cvs... 20.27.27 # mm yep sorry 20.27.32 # i upload it again 20.27.33 # =\ 20.27.38 # i dont know about this 20.28.21 # mm its ok to upload it again? 20.28.22 # =\ 20.29.41 # well all of you devs, great work as always 20.29.53 # I look forward to checking this stuff out when I get home :) 20.29.57 # oh, we know 20.30.01 # San: thankyou... i'll test the few WAD's i have made myself and see if it is worth uploading them... 20.30.36 # amiconn: http://pastebin.com/534180 20.30.39 # its ok now? 20.31.41 # yes 20.32.00 # In case you're curious why we do this: 20.32.56 # The api versioning mechanism is there to support plugins in a backwards compatible way, and at the same time make sure that plugins won't crash if the api is not compatible anymore 20.33.08 # WTF? 20.33.13 # ok 20.33.17 # 10q for the help 20.33.22 # i used the rockbox thing the doom guy had 20.33.24 # didn't work 20.33.29 # and sorry about the confusion 20.33.32 # it gave me the result -2 error 20.33.37 # now, with a fresh build 20.33.43 # I am getting the same error 20.33.43 # :( 20.33.49 # what is up? 20.33.54 # Hm, some pictures with fire and girls for my WPS please? 20.34.00 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 20.34.05 Part hshah ("Leaving") 20.34.17 # BTW, what is the command to unmound a removable disk in linux? 20.34.28 # umount /mnt/mydisk/ 20.34.37 # ty 20.34.37 # (or wherever you have mounted it to) 20.34.45 # i was trying unmount 20.34.46 # :< 20.35.48 # Paprica: Better check for LCD_DEPTH == 16 for now 20.35.56 # It sounds like your disk is corrupt though - "result -2" means that the bootloader could open rockbox.iriver, but couldn't read from it. 20.36.16 # Your latest commit broke everything H1x0. You scored 70 points 20.36.48 # =\ 20.37.00 # yes because the transparent 20.37.21 # im sure that it works with lcd_depth > 1 20.37.30 # because it like this in lcd.h 20.37.57 # It should have been 100 points though - B4gder's script seems a little wrong..... :) 20.38.14 # so http://pastebin.com/534180 20.38.15 # It still won't work unless the transparent functions will be actually implemented for H1x0 20.38.17 # is good? 20.38.43 # i compile the h100 now without any problem.. 20.38.51 # amiconn: Do you think we should add dummy functions to the lcd-h100 now, so we don't have to change the plugin api again? 20.39.58 # linuxstb_, then dont commit now? 20.40.14 # linuxstb_: screen_access also defines a transparent function for the H100, but just calls the non-transparent one. 20.41.04 # Lear: We could make the plugin api do the same thing. 20.41.13 # (I think) 20.41.44 # The transparent function will have different arguments then. 20.42.26 # So we'll have to change the api anyway.... 20.42.42 # Not in screen_access, as it is now... 20.43.00 # -> we will have to change the api again anyway, and that's even one of those incompatible changes which break backwards compatibility 20.43.18 # Lear: The lcd_ variants will 20.43.32 # ..as they will get the mask pased 20.43.36 # *passed 20.45.23 # The high colour version has to be changed then as well. We still have the option to not use the mask within the fn 20.46.29 Join Yokalosh [0] (n=3efc0007@labb.contactor.se) 20.46.50 # which player has the best rockbox compatability at the moment? 20.46.56 # i need a new ine 20.47.00 # *one 20.47.52 # Best compatibility = oldest = hardest to find. So it's not easy to say. 20.49.04 # Best compatibility = any of the supported archos models 20.49.22 # That are the only ones for which exist release versions of rockbox 20.49.44 # They aren't available new though. 20.49.47 # Yokalosh: You need to be more specific about what you want your player to do. 20.50.17 # Rockbox can do different things on different players due to their different hardware. 20.52.57 Quit Yokalosh ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.56.00 # mm so can i commit the fix warnings? 20.56.14 # I think so. 20.56.27 # Yes. 20.56.48 Join hd [0] (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 20.57.27 Quit goa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.57.31 # ok 20.57.55 Nick hd is now known as goa (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 20.59.38 Quit Xerion (Remote closed the connection) 21.03.23 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 21.03.53 Quit goa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.04.57 # yey I have doom 2 on my H300 21.05.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.05.13 # bbiaf 21.05.14 # DooM 2? 21.05.31 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36364 21.05.36 Quit amiconn (" replacing router") 21.05.42 # but you need to have the WAD 21.06.51 # That's just Doom, surely? 21.07.09 # doom 2 and doom run the same engine 21.07.21 # Oh, right. 21.07.22 # just different wads 21.07.28 # ^^ yep 21.07.56 # I thought Doom 2 had proper 3d viewing, or did I misremember that? 21.08.18 # Or did they backport that to the Doom 1 engine. 21.09.05 # nope definately the same engine i had both around there first release date 21.09.27 # there have been many ports which incorperate 3d viewing 21.09.36 # time to rebuild kde, i'll be gone a month or two ;) 21.09.37 # I'm getting Doom 2 and Quake confused, I think. 21.09.40 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11 : http://kopete.kde.org") 21.09.49 # possibly 21.10.23 # So is it actually *playable* on an MP3 player then? 21.11.13 # * Cassandra is largely indifferent to Rockbox plugins. I tend to just use my H1xx for listening to audio. 21.11.32 # why wouldn't it be? I used to play it on my 486DX266 with 8 megs of ram... we have 4x the ram and double the hertz :) 21.11.53 # doom is ok but anything more 3d ... and you might run into problems... looks great on the H300 but could be sped up a bit... 21.17.42 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 21.18.07 # I'd have thought the interface'd be tricky. 21.18.29 # * Cassandra played Doom on a 386sx-16 with 6mb memory. 21.18.46 # In a window about as big as a modern MP3 player. 21.18.55 # (Lower resolution though) 21.19.50 # original game was designed for 320x240 so not much smaller (iriver siplay 220x176) 21.20.02 # *display 21.20.55 # (No, I mean mine was smaller - with the original Doom you could alter the screen size if you couldn't get the frame rate up high enough, and play in a small window on the center of your screen.) 21.21.35 # you can change that in the port also... under options in menu :) 21.21.37 # To get some of the later levels to run, I seem to remember I ended up setting it to its smallest possible setting. 21.22.01 # that would be tiny.... 21.24.30 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@217.9.226.114) 21.25.35 Join webguest89 [0] (n=8693494e@labb.contactor.se) 21.26.21 # Why yes, yes it was. 21.28.42 # one thing it is missing is the ability to change weapons.... :( 21.33.33 # philip, did you get doom working? 21.33.48 # doesn't work for me 21.33.55 # incompatable model 21.34.04 # did you unzip rockbox.iriver as well? 21.34.07 # I've doom working on my... Nokia 6600 :) 21.34.11 # yes 21.34.42 # sure you've only got one rockbox.iriver? 21.35.03 # it loads from both the root and .rockbox 21.35.07 # i don't know where doom bundles it 21.35.12 # only one 21.35.39 Join Midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.35.42 # well, still sounds like you're doing something wrong 21.35.50 # yeah... 21.36.15 # I unzipped it to the root of the player and created a /doom folder in the root also then put PAPACE.wad in there 21.36.16 # Am, is there some way to draw text on picture in wps without drawing of background? 21.36.18 # didn't work 21.37.47 # is it ment to be /doom or /Doom ? 21.38.10 Quit Thus0 ("Leaving") 21.38.30 # Nightcat: Linus wrote a proof of concept but it needs optimising before it can be commited. 21.38.33 # I have this: http://rapidshare.de/files/12335099/dump_060201-233837.bmp.html 21.38.45 # i cant start it 21.38.54 # doom 21.39.01 # says loading and nothin happens 21.39.30 # i've placed that wad into l:\doom 21.39.32 # right? 21.39.35 # Why are you all become crazy of this doom? 21.39.47 # i just wana see it work 21.39.48 # :D 21.39.55 # cos doom rulez :D 21.40.01 # and that ^^ 21.40.04 # :D 21.40.35 # so, we're dealing with cooperative multitasking. This means that in order to deadlock, you must reach a condition where the running thread is blocked, and will never context switch, but mutexes context switch while they are locked, so how does one actually deadlock the system? 21.40.48 # A'm playing it sometimes on my cell, yes it's good, but I think it will be difficult to play doom on DAP cause of bad keys... 21.41.55 # That's why I think - it's just a waste of time... 21.42.19 # lostlogic: bdm... 21.42.19 # what is NOT waste of time ;) 21.42.33 # When we have so many "to do" for ex. with WPS... 21.42.59 # Or codecs... 21.43.19 # But it is just my meaning... I can be wrong... 21.43.23 # i put DOOM2.WAD in /doom 21.43.36 # so did i 21.43.40 # noth happens 21.43.42 # in 21.43.51 # I have a DOOM2.WAD in /doom folder too, on my cell :) 21.44.17 # i have doom rpg but it sucks... 21.44.18 # Philip_0729 r u registered? check query pls 21.44.38 # i am not registered... don't know how 21.44.49 # ok.. join #doom-talk 21.44.55 # mm someone can compile it without errors? (DOOM) 21.45.10 # There (on cell) it works very good - we even have some deathmatches with my friends via bluetooth :) 21.45.50 # Cassandra: Then what with text drawing? 21.47.38 # Cassandra: Is Linus working on it now or it is forgotten for a while? 21.48.08 # Cassandra: I just want to know it cause I want to do new WPS... 21.48.58 # Cassandra: And if it takes not much time I'll wait or in other case I'll do my WPS without backpict... 21.49.28 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.49.47 # Cassandra: Hello! :) 21.50.40 # NightCat: You should ask Linus what his plans are. 21.51.21 # hey 21.51.31 # phil, what theme are you using? 21.51.32 # I know but I talked with Cassandra and I thought... You know :) 21.52.24 # Em, Linus? Are you here? 21.53.23 Nick linuxstb__ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.55.15 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.55.54 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 21.56.16 # I think he left it to someone who with more optimisation experience. 21.56.28 # Not sure if anyone's picked it up yet. 21.56.41 # Hm... :( 21.56.44 # amicon was making vague noises about possibly having a go,. 21.56.58 # I think the patch is in the tracker if you want to try yourself. 21.57.06 # San: i'm using my Red Aqua... 21.57.29 # ok 21.57.49 # sanitarium join #doom-talk 21.57.49 # Cassandra: Now looking for it. 21.58.09 # sanitarium, can u update the Ultimate 24Bit WPS Collection 21.58.13 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@81-178-235-210.dsl.pipex.com) 21.59.05 # I will try now pap 21.59.18 # I tought that other guy already did? 22.01.28 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.01.28 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 22.03.05 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD578D.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.03.36 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d052140.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.04.38 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC") 22.05.20 # linuxstb: any preferred ipod stuff i should look at? 22.05.27 # might have a small amount of time to do some stuff 22.05.39 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.09.02 Quit NightCat () 22.10.37 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 22.12.22 Join petur [0] (i=petur@d54C1AA5D.access.telenet.be) 22.15.36 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.37 # preglow: Fix USB on boot up? 22.15.48 # Delete on the virtual keyboard? 22.16.19 Quit bluey (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.16.21 # usb on bootup? 22.16.30 # how is that different from ordinary usb? 22.16.39 # Plug the iPod into a USB port then turn it on. 22.16.48 # It hangs at the Rockbox USB screen. 22.16.50 Quit Xerion (Remote closed the connection) 22.16.53 # it turns on automatically when i insert usb 22.17.04 # and no hanging is involved 22.17.22 # Maybe it's a Nano thing? 22.17.41 # true, it doesn't exit the screen... 22.17.46 # but it doesn't hang 22.17.54 # it still respons to presses (backlight) 22.18.05 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.14 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 22.18.16 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 22.18.19 # something goes wrong there, yes, rockbox thinks there is no .rockbox dir when it finally exits the screen 22.19.01 # Cassandra: the entire virtual keyboard needs fixing, the wheel just scrolls downwards... 22.19.05 # Battery level support'd be nice too. 22.19.22 # yeah, that would be nice 22.19.30 # i'll see about that, as a matter of fact 22.19.50 # Also I wonder if there shouldn't be a screen clear in the manual shutdown. 22.19.57 # definitely 22.20.05 # It leaves the "shutting down" message on the screen. 22.20.21 # ? 22.20.22 # That enough of a to do list for you? 22.20.26 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.20.37 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.20.58 # "Shutting down" is deliberately displayed at shutdown. It should go away when power to the LCD is cut 22.21.31 # amicon: On my Nano the backlight goes off, but a corrupt image remains on the screen for a while; 22.22.00 # Oh? So the nano doesn't power off the LCD? 22.22.06 # Cassandra, preglow: That usb-on-boot bug is caused by Slasheri's audio initialisation thread. He knows about it. 22.23.02 # I get the same effect on my ipod - the lcd is powered off, but there seems to be a residual image that slowly fades away. 22.23.17 # amicon: seems to disappear after about 30s 22.23.18 # I doubt it's the audio initialisation (only) 22.23.28 # The hang was there before background init 22.23.39 # Doesn't happen on archos 22.23.50 # Archos does have SWCODEC 22.23.56 # s/does/doesn't/ 22.24.12 # And iriver don't have the early usb mode. 22.24.16 # One of the many additional threads on SWCODEC doesn't react properly to USB_CONNECTED messages at startup 22.24.17 # IIUC 22.24.21 # They have 22.24.32 # It just doesn't make too much sense atm 22.24.47 # amiconn: it cuts power, but i think there's a cap on the power line that keeps feeding the lcd for a while 22.25.09 # amiconn: the image dissipates slowly, so we just need to blank the screen for it to look normal 22.25.10 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.26.00 # preglow: Hmm. Please do so for iPod only, or even for iPod nano only. 22.26.08 # amiconn: of course 22.26.18 # linuxstb: Is this an issue on iPod color? 22.26.20 # amiconn: but it's not like it'll matter for other platforms anyway 22.26.26 # amiconn: it'll be the last thing i do before i shut down 22.26.41 # amiconn: yes 22.26.42 # amiconn: Yes. But not all ipods according to someone we discussed this with on #ipodlinux 22.26.44 # Hmm 22.26.44 # all ipods, afaik 22.26.47 # ok :/ 22.26.58 # 1m 22.27.06 # Maybe the greyscale LCDs are different. 22.27.11 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5/2005111116]") 22.27.42 # * linuxstb hopes Linus isn't silently working on backdrops the same way I am.... 22.27.49 # Does anyone mind if I suggest Rockbox as a potential Sourceforge project of the month? 22.27.53 # s/Linus/LinusN/ (to get his attention) 22.28.02 Quit Matze41 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.28.09 # Woo! Backdrops! 22.28.11 # Cassandra no way! :) 22.28.17 # preglow: In fact we do blank the LCD at shutdown, just not (yet) on colour LCD targets 22.28.19 # don't worry, i'm busy with Paid Work(tm) 22.28.36 # Check powermgmt.c, line 946 and 949 22.28.37 # amiconn: then i'll just extend that, then 22.28.48 # ..by setting contrast to 0 22.28.49 # LinusN: OK, I'm experimenting with my idea of passing lcd_backdrop pointers to the lcd driver. It seems to work nicely. 22.28.56 # cool 22.29.07 # * Cassandra points LinusN at her earlier query/ 22.29.34 # amiconn: any reason why? 22.29.37 # Cassandra: Haha, with rockbox doing many things on separate systems 22.29.43 # preglow: ? 22.29.50 # I think i might attract as a couple more developers. 22.29.52 # amiconn: why do you turn the contrast down? 22.30.05 # amiconn: did you have problems like this as well? 22.30.06 # It's the simplest method, no framebuffer transfer necessary, but still a blank LCD 22.30.13 # amicon: Well, we do use sourceforge, and it can't hurt to ask. 22.30.37 # we don't exactly use them exclusively 22.30.42 # and thanked be the gods for that 22.30.49 # strike that from the log! 22.30.57 # * amiconn can't find the use of TCP port 7222 22.31.06 # I don't see anywhere that it says PotM has to use sourceforge exclusively. 22.31.53 # preglow: Partly. 22.32.19 # Cassandra: sourceforge project of the month? 22.32.22 # The player LCD starts showing wild patterns when the voltage goes down, but the main reason was the Ondio 22.32.37 # It's advertsed in the Sourceforge newsletter. 22.32.51 # Cassandra: Fancy creating a quick backdrop image for boxes? 22.32.58 # Free publicity for Rockbox going to a large number of potential developers/ 22.33.07 # was that your query? 22.33.09 # The Ondio is shut down by holding the combined On/Off button, but although this triggers shutdown, the voltage won't go away until you release the button 22.33.13 # Cassandra: I think it sounds like a good idea 22.33.17 # PR is always good 22.33.20 # i can't see anything bad come from it 22.33.22 # so go ahead 22.33.24 # Now, we just need a poster boy..... 22.33.26 # more donations, more developers 22.33.29 # So we blank the LCD to fake complete shutdown and make the user let go the button 22.33.38 # linuxstb, I thought a simple blue gradient would probably work best. I'm open to alternative suggestions. 22.33.47 # except that we are moving away from sourceforge step by step :-) 22.34.02 # LinusN, yes it was. 22.34.08 # I don't have to mention that. ;) 22.34.14 # linuxstb: poster boy on the backdrop? 22.34.17 # :-) 22.34.25 # me! me! 22.34.32 # hehe 22.34.37 # send me the bmp..... 22.34.44 # I vote for Bagder. He's scarier. 22.34.52 # * amiconn doesn't like fancy backdrops/ background images 22.35.06 # http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/IMG_0774.JPG 22.35.10 # * lostlogic points to his black desktops and wonders about the fuss 22.35.28 # * preglow staggers in surprise 22.35.35 # My cellphone has exactly one very useful backdrop, which is in fact an 'animation' - a calendar 22.35.53 # Does "Equalizer -> EQ Gain -> Band 1/2/3/4/5 Gain" seem like a resonable structure? 22.36.21 # (where Band 1/2/3/4/5 is actually five sub entries) 22.37.11 # hi 22.37.15 # and then you have Equalizer -> EQ Freq -> Band lol too, or what? 22.37.16 # any good commits in the last 2 hours? 22.38.03 # * Cassandra tries to keep boxes full featured but simple. 22.38.06 # Something like that 22.38.16 # I think that fits the Rockbox philosophy. 22.38.38 Quit zhilik ("http://www.zhukovsky.net") 22.38.41 # safetydan, I'd mention the frequencies of the bands. 22.38.49 # gah, pub pictures 22.38.52 # i don't need them 22.39.11 # preglow, is Q adjustable as well as band and gain? 22.39.15 # not even with rockbox logos involved? ;-) 22.39.16 # Cassandra: can the lang file handle dunamic messages? 22.39.20 # dynamic even 22.39.23 # Febs: yes 22.39.26 # preglow: so... how was that background stuff implemented now? 22.39.28 # the frequency of each band is configurable 22.39.32 # * BHSPitLappy just got home 22.39.32 # BHSPitLappy: ask me not 22.39.35 # :( 22.39.47 # Febs: gain/freq/q 22.39.56 # BHSPitLappy: linusn and linuxstb are bg bitmap fiddlers 22.40.04 # i she. 22.40.13 # you she 22.40.17 # oh duh... of course... snprintf 22.40.31 # man, oatmeal porter sounds tasty 22.40.43 # hmm? 22.40.50 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@213-145-181-228.dd.nextgentel.com) 22.41.07 Quit Musicmad (Client Quit) 22.41.41 # just me drooling over beer 22.41.49 # i spend half my life doing that 22.42.50 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-63-84.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.43.07 # safetydan, are contemplating that there would be a menu for adjusting the gain of each band, a separate menu for adjusting the frequency, and a separate menu for adjusting the Q? 22.44.19 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 22.44.32 # Well LinusN suggested a "simple" menu and an "advanced" menu 22.44.53 # simple would cover just gain, advanced would be Q and frequency 22.44.56 # i believe the simple one should just have gain factors 22.44.58 # yeah 22.45.30 # http://daniel.haxx.se/photos/snaxx-2002-09/IMG_0776.JPG 22.45.34 # now there's a happy boy 22.45.34 # Makes sense. 22.46.34 # linuxstb: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/backdrop-220x178.bmp 22.47.07 # Perhaps the advanced menu could be set up something like the recording menu. Four entries: Band, Frequency, Gain, Q. Up/down arrows select the entries, left/right arrows adjust the parameter. 22.47.14 # preglow: I bet Linus just told me he nailed the last rockbox bug ;-) 22.47.29 # haha 22.47.36 # If that one's OK, I'll do a Nano one too. 22.47.52 # he's standing on a chair opposite you, i'd bet 22.47.53 # Bagder: "that beer is on me" 22.48.10 # hahaha 22.48.26 # I should go and change then, Linus. 22.48.30 # now when are we going back there? ;-) 22.48.40 # soon i hope 22.48.53 # everyone's invited 22.49.06 # sigh, darned europeans 22.49.08 # I'll buy everyone who comes a beer! 22.49.13 # * Febs doesn't want the mental images he's formed of each of you disrupted by the ugle reality of those pictures. 22.49.19 # ugle/ugly 22.49.19 # hahaha 22.49.20 # * Cassandra wonders how expensive it is to get to Sweden. 22.49.29 # Febs: "radio looks" 22.49.41 # oh, oh, who do I look like? 22.49.53 # ;-) 22.50.37 # LinusN: devcon? 22.51.00 # what city would this be in (out of curiosity, not that I'm flying across the ocean anytime soon) 22.51.52 # devcon/binge 22.52.05 # everyone come dressed as your favourite device 22.52.09 # lostlogic: probably here in Stockholm, Sweden 22.52.29 # I don't think they sell vibrator costumes. 22.52.32 # among the polar bears 22.52.34 # hahahah 22.52.44 # (Damn, did I say that in my out loud voice? ;) ) 22.52.49 # polar beers, you mean? :-) 22.52.49 # enough styrofoam and all is possible 22.53.18 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.53.30 # i'll come dressed as some neuros device and try to annoy bagder 22.53.35 # haha 22.54.44 # christ, it takes 12 hours to get there from here. 22.54.55 # preglow: you in Trondheim or where are you these days? 22.54.57 # yes, it is some distance away 22.55.03 # Bagder: trondheim for the next three weeks 22.55.05 # then oslo 22.55.27 # * Febs ponders that he has a LOT of frequent flyer miles and has never been to Sweden. 22.55.30 Quit webguest83 ("CGI:IRC") 22.56.30 # nice enough place 22.56.33 # if you like swedes :-) 22.56.46 # * amiconn wonders why Bagder's mails end up twice in the ml 22.56.56 # what percent of people there speak English... because that's the only language I speak 22.57.01 # haha 22.57.02 # because I CC'ed the list as well by mistake 22.57.22 # Swedes do speak quite good english in general 22.57.28 # i speak english nicely 22.57.31 # at least 22.57.51 # how do I run a disk check in linux? 22.57.53 # Not like Finland? I was there last summer and they hardly spoke any... 22.57.59 # I am getting that 0000 error again 22.58.00 # :( 22.58.03 # I'm certain that Swedes speak better English than Americans do Swedish. (or any other language for that matter)' 22.58.05 Join Wired [0] (n=Wired@203.156.90.94) 22.58.06 # sanitarium: fsck 22.58.11 # thanks 22.58.21 # haha 22.59.07 # how do I do the repair? 22.59.10 # I'm certain that the Swedes speak better English than the Americans do full stop. 22.59.19 # sadly, yes, Americans are a bunch of lazy slobs who have their heads so far up their asses that they think their language is the only one of import. (and yes, I include myself in that :)) 22.59.22 # sanitarium: a bit more hairy, i think you need to unmount the file system for that 22.59.33 # it is, I think 22.59.33 # Febs: que? 22.59.38 # I wish that I could disagree with that Cassandra. 22.59.41 # lostlogic: well, i'm pretty sure the rest of the planet would have done the same if it was feasible 22.59.45 # BHSPitLappy: lol. 23.00.26 # aol spk is my 2nd lang 23.00.41 # lol 23.00.44 # Bagder: Something is wrong with the build warning/error detection script 23.00.50 # indeed 23.00.55 # Yeah, you have to love historical accidents that mean your own language is the de-facto Internet standard. ;) 23.00.55 # noooooo 23.00.58 # :-P 23.01.02 # The errors were the same for all H1x0 target and sim builds, 23.01.13 # ok, I'll check 23.01.15 # LinusN, u r l337. 23.01.20 # lol 23.01.24 # :-) 23.01.26 # http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1383860copy5rr.png 23.01.27 # but the script counted 3 errors in the win32 sim, and only one in all other builds !?!? 23.02.17 # that script's got a big history of being lenient on warnings and blatant errors 23.02.25 # amiconn: and what exactly is the error you think? 23.02.29 # http://img465.imageshack.us/my.php?image=1383860copy5rr.png 23.02.35 # there is a difference in output 23.02.37 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.02.52 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 23.03.01 # San: ??? 23.03.17 # halo?? 23.03.19 # yes 23.03.21 # i ported it 23.03.25 Nick DrumRBoy320|Away is now known as DrumRBoy320 (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) 23.03.25 # Bagder: I'd say there are _2_ errors in each build 23.03.34 # drumr ported halo 23.03.40 # very buggy though 23.03.41 # no way 23.03.53 # i will send a dev copy t o whoever wants one 23.03.58 # me please 23.03.59 # ahahah 23.04.00 # "yes" 23.04.05 # It's 'undefined reference to ...' twice, in all affected builds 23.04.09 # nah, I say they are three 23.04.20 # or will be counted as three when I fix this 23.04.24 # i love the glitching between the tiles 23.04.29 # that's not a giveaway or anything 23.04.33 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.04.48 # lol 23.05.03 # ;) 23.05.09 # i said its really buggy 23.05.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.05.21 # and my webcam/camerafone is bad, ya know 23.05.49 # send away... philip.j.m(at)gmail.com 23.06.02 Quit Wired () 23.07.15 # geh 23.07.43 # linuxstb, dammit I put a typo in the filename. 23.07.45 # gotta sleep now 23.07.50 # so i won't have to repeat this morning again 23.07.55 # later, all 23.07.56 # linuxstb: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/backdrop-220x176.bmp 23.07.59 # Also: 23.08.11 # linuxstb: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/backdrop-76x116.bmp 23.08.15 # linuxstb: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/backdrop-176x116.bmp 23.08.18 # even 23.08.34 # linuxstb: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/backdrop-320x240.bmp 23.08.46 # (which is getting way ahead of myself.) 23.08.48 Nick sanitarium is now known as SanAway (n=sanitari@A-96-36.cust.iol.ie) 23.09.23 # The requested URL /~christi/misc/backdrop-176x116.bmp was not found on this server. 23.09.24 # Bleh. I am crap. 23.09.31 # linuxstb: http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/backdrop-176x132.bmp 23.10.20 # I like them. They're neutral, but still say "graphical user interface". 23.11.12 # Cassandra: Thanks - I just needed one to test..... :) 23.14.36 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.16.36 # Bagder: hi, did you manage to have X5 sim runing? 23.16.45 # yes 23.16.51 # sdl 23.16.58 # on linux that is 23.17.04 # I tried under windows via Cygwin but a lot of errors 23.17.08 # ah ok 23.17.19 # isn't possible under ws? 23.17.50 # the SDL sim under cygwin needs some work 23.17.55 # there's a patch available 23.18.03 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 23.18.07 Quit NicoFR () 23.18.16 # Bagder: oh ok :( 23.18.43 # linuxstb: so how is that background stuff implemented? 23.18.52 # Bagder: cause here I tried both Win32 and X11 but impossible 23.18.58 # Magic pixies. 23.19.19 # Cassandra: where can i get the magic pixies patch? 23.19.20 # ;) 23.19.24 # Moos: there's even an x5 sim in the cvs build table 23.19.36 # We ought to have "Magic Pixies Inside" as part of our boot logo. They're provided as standard. 23.19.38 Join RowanCBB [0] (i=a2b0y@82-43-214-84.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.19.44 # nah 23.19.51 # Bagder: Is there a frontal scan of X5 available somewhere? 23.19.52 # i just saw a forum thread on greyscale in wps.. is this implemented? 23.19.59 # Bagder: what need I do for have X5 sim working under windows? 23.20.01 # RowanCBB: yes 23.20.05 # The problem is you have to tell them what to do quite carefully. In C. 23.20.05 Nick RowanCBB is now known as ]RowaN[ (i=a2b0y@82-43-214-84.cable.ubr10.newm.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.20.10 # <]RowaN[> for h120? 23.20.19 # yes 23.20.20 # <]RowaN[> cool, i musta missed that =] 23.20.23 # <]RowaN[> very cool 23.20.25 Part safetydan ("Leaving") 23.20.37 # Bagder, there's a caveat I think. Oh yeah, transpareny isn;t working with greyscale yet. 23.20.43 # Moos: try this http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&atid=439120&group_id=44306&aid=1417462 23.20.55 # Cassandra: think you could tell me how that's implemented? like, is it set in theme files now? 23.20.57 # <]RowaN[> is it going to be possible to make anti aliased or "tipped" fonts? 23.20.58 # Bagder: thanks I'll try 23.21.00 # new goal: 224kbps ogg@45mhz realtime... that and making track skipping not freeze so I can actually commit some of this some day. 23.21.22 # amiconn: I don't know 23.21.28 # my scanner isn't good enough to make one 23.21.39 # BHSPitLappy, I have no idea. I've not even tried the code yet. linuxstd just asked me to do him some backgrounds for testing. 23.21.57 # ahh 23.22.03 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-239.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.22.05 # linuxstb: same question :D 23.22.44 # the bg pic thing exists as a patch in the tracker 23.23.41 # asked how it's implemented though, like is it defined in the Theme or something? 23.24.04 # clearpixel copies a bg pic instead of setting a fixed color 23.24.29 # :/ 23.24.37 Join CoasterMaster [0] (i=CoasterM@crown-6-45.resnet.ucsc.edu) 23.24.40 # what -sets- the bg pic 23.24.46 # I think he means how do you set it up? 23.25.20 # BHSPitLappy: It's still a work in progress. But the idea I'm implementing at the moment is to have one background image used by "core" Rockbox (i.e. for the file browser and menus) and one background image used in the WPS. Plus plugins can set a background image themselves if they want to. 23.25.57 # but like, would boxes.cfg (for example) contain a definition of the path to the image or something 23.26.14 # For the WPS, it will just be an extra tag to set the backdrop. For main Rockbox, you will probably just browse to a bmp file and say "set as backdrop" 23.26.21 # that too 23.26.27 # that's a good idea 23.26.42 # probably be good if a theme could pick it, too 23.26.49 # boxes.cfg contains a reference to boxes.wps - boxes.wps will refer to backdrop.bmp 23.26.53 # coo 23.26.58 Nick Rob2222_ is now known as Rob2222 (n=Miranda@ACB5AD74.ipt.aol.com) 23.27.13 # So yes, boxes.cfg will be able to set the "global" backdrop. 23.27.13 # but wouldn't that only make the bg display on the wps? 23.27.17 # We should probably include both settings in the theme .cfg files. 23.27.24 # :/ 23.27.29 # yeps 23.27.34 # that doesn't make sense 23.27.39 # You mean set the backdrop in the cfg, not the wps? 23.27.46 # (the wps backdrop) 23.27.48 # the .wps applies to the while playing screen only 23.27.57 # the wps one should prolly be set in the .wps file 23.28.06 # so even if a cfg calls it, it doesnt change the global backdrop 23.28.09 # linuxstb: Yeah. I think so. That way people can change the backdrop if they like it better. 23.28.13 # Which WPS files (from http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery) will work on the iPod Nano port of Rockbox? 23.28.17 # BHSPitLappy: you confuse things 23.28.19 # Bagder: That's what I'm half-way through implementing. 23.28.26 # Aso means we can keep backdrops in a seperate directory. 23.28.28 # I point out the world's confusions :D 23.28.31 # BHSPitLappy: the .cfg file would set the global one and point out the wps file to use 23.28.33 # For easier browsing. 23.28.41 # Bagder: k 23.28.53 # linuxstb: neato! 23.28.56 # that wasn't how linuxstb put it, hence my concern 23.29.19 # CoasterMaster, none of them, I think. Try boxes-176x132 - it's included with Rockbox. 23.29.36 # I started converting joltsteel to nano 23.29.57 # That's the one I'm using now....and I'm updating to today's build. I feel so productive. 23.30.20 # hard getting text and pb's ligned up right... I think they shoud hold coordinates (like bitmaps do) instead of being guesswork 23.30.27 # iPod Nano support is very new. We've only had colour WPSes a few days. 23.30.32 # Wait and people will make more. 23.30.45 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 23.30.48 # no, don't wait. Make some! 23.30.54 # :-) 23.31.25 # If I was good at making crap look good, I would....but unfortunalty I'm only good at coding. :( 23.32.01 # heh, one could have a .backdrop.bmp in every directory, so it changes backdrop when you navigate the file tree :-) 23.32.16 # :-O 23.32.28 # that'll really annoy amiconn 23.32.31 # Album art... 23.32.33 # .backdrop.mpg 23.32.41 # hehe 23.32.50 # CoasterMaster, good coders are rarer. Get patching Rockbox. ;) 23.33.10 # * linuxstb waits for greyscale lib in core rockbox..... 23.33.24 # i'm liking the sound of album art.... 23.33.34 # <]RowaN[> grr photoshop keeps crashing when i try to save a greyscale bmp 23.33.35 # CoasterMaster: rockbox coders are the opposite, we make good things look like crap 23.33.39 # * amiconn slaps linuxstb 23.33.41 # hahaha 23.33.43 # Well then I'll fit right in. 23.34.02 # I can probably make some things look good, if the rest of you can do the rest :P 23.34.36 # I'm fairly good at writign without tipos 23.34.47 # lol 23.34.48 # ]RowaN[: why greyscale? 23.34.50 # Oh, you're so silly. 23.34.52 # linuxstb: plan on an itunesdb parser anytime soon? 23.34.56 # BHSPitLappy: Never 23.35.00 # heh. 23.35.04 # LinusN: Hah! You wait until I'm dead. "Cassandra's most talented and expressive work was done in what is now referred to as her 'boxes' period." 23.35.11 Quit Philip_0729 ("bye everybody") 23.35.11 # well 23.35.12 # BHSPitLappy: But that doesn't mean someone else can't do it. 23.35.15 # that's your initiative 23.35.15 # yeah 23.35.16 # Cassandra: lol 23.35.23 # * Bagder giggles 23.35.43 # BHSPitLappy: One of my main reasons for porting Rockbox is so that I didn't need itunes. 23.35.49 # <]RowaN[> lol photoshop cs2... crashes everytime i try to save a greyscale bmp.. what a load of shite 23.35.52 # "and over here to the right, we see a typical drawing from the early 2000's. The so called "boxes" theme..." 23.36.21 # LinusN, I have a messy bed, just like Tracy Ermin. ;) 23.36.33 # linuxstb: i know rb is made to be a replacement firmware, but that -would- prove to be a nifty tool for some. 23.36.43 # "...and to the left, we have the default rockbox user interface, commonly called a BAG OF SHIT" 23.36.43 # I'm not trying to get you to do it, though 23.37.06 # LinusN: bags have rounded corners 23.37.18 # more like a box of shit. 23.37.19 # Ah, is that what Be OS stands for? 23.37.21 # not paper bags :-) 23.37.22 # ;-) 23.37.33 # LinusN: when they're full of shit... 23.37.41 # BHSPitLappy: Anyway, an itunesdb parser isn't needed - AFAIK, the tags are still stored in the .m4a files on the disk. And Slasheri's upcoming tagcache system will read them. 23.37.43 # moist and warm 23.37.53 # Linus: Maybe we should submit it for the Turner Prize, and claim it's 'conceptual'. 23.37.57 # ah 23.38.07 # so the filebrowser will replace the filenames with their Titles? 23.38.14 # Cassandra: a sure winner 23.38.30 # No, there will be a "tagcache" browser as well which browses by tags. 23.38.38 # oh 23.38.46 # just like the database mode 23.38.52 # And all this with no software needed on your PC.... 23.38.52 # and not sort by folder then 23.38.57 # just by common artists, etc 23.39.34 # what happens when you ask the tagcache for an all tracks listing? Does your hard disk get ground to dust? 23.39.49 # heh 23.39.51 # No, the tagcache is in memory IIUC. 23.39.56 # Linked to the dircache 23.40.04 # I assume it builds a database at once, and refers to it 23.40.11 # so it gets ground anyway 23.40.23 # * BHSPitLappy doesn't have a hard drive to grind :D 23.40.29 # Cassandra: It's definitely patent-worthy.... :( 23.40.50 # * CoasterMaster points out that BHSPitLappy has a point 23.40.55 # Yeah, but the USPO'd patent my snot if I paid them. 23.40.56 # <]RowaN[> can someone send me a greyscale bmp that works? ive tried saving as 4bit and 8bit greyscale bmp but neither seem to work, i just get a blank screen 23.41.06 # * BHSPitLappy points out that his point has been pointed out 23.41.37 # ]RowaN[: why not 24-bit? 23.41.52 # <]RowaN[> err it was greyed out 23.41.53 # <]RowaN[> one sec 23.42.11 # change the image mode to rgb 23.42.12 # 4 bit = 16 colours. 23.42.37 # 8 bit = 256 colour bmps ought to work, I believe. 23.42.41 # the h100 bmp loader handles all formats 23.42.53 # 2 bit = 4 shades = greyscale iPods 23.42.54 # (not 4-bit though) 23.43.12 # <]RowaN[> ah it works! yes.. rgb, not greyscale 23.43.37 # <]RowaN[> but now all my text is invisible, apart from scrolling stuff 23.43.55 # yes, the grayscale bmp's are not transparent 23.44.06 # ]RowaN[: I tod you transparency wasn't implemented yet. 23.44.12 # <]RowaN[> oh i thought the text was layed on top 23.44.17 # Nope. 23.44.26 # or rather, the h100 lcd driver doesn't yet handle transparency with the magenta color 23.45.31 # <]RowaN[> so i guess i can overcome it with making seperate greyscale icons etc and positioning them accordingly in the wps 23.45.41 # <]RowaN[> rather than 1 huge ass backdrop 23.47.20 # yes 23.47.31 # Yes, although it makes more sense to wait for transparency support. 23.49.09 # LinusN: The h100 lcd driver can't handle transparency with pink, 'cause it will never get to see a bitmap with pink in it 23.49.19 # It will have to use the mask bitmap 23.49.33 # amiconn: of course, but the source bitmap will use pink 23.49.40 # Does the bmp loader build that yet? 23.49.48 # no, not yet 23.49.52 # ok 23.50.11 # ah, so a mask bmp will be used? 23.50.16 # yes, internally 23.50.26 # I think the bmp loader should also support 4 bit 23.50.26 # huh? 23.50.32 # amiconn: me too 23.50.35 # 15/16 bit and 32 bit can safely be left out 23.50.56 # BHSPitLappy: the bmp loader will create a mask bitmap from the pink pixels in the source bitmap 23.51.03 # oh 23.51.21 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! 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