--- Log for 03.02.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 19 days and 17 hours ago 00.00.33 Quit Midgey34 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.00.36 # what will that code return? columns? 00.00.38 # afaik you can't get the size of an array... 00.00.44 Nick Midgey31 is now known as midgey34 (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.00.48 # that would return the size of the datatype afaik? 00.00.53 # cutoff = 0hz is interesting 00.00.59 # You'll get the size of a pointer. 00.01.03 # so for an int[100] it would just return 4 00.01.09 # ah, always 4 00.01.11 # sorry 00.01.19 Quit midkay (Remote closed the connection) 00.01.41 # ahahah 00.01.45 # well darn 00.01.47 # cutoff = 0hz should not be possible 00.02.14 # midgey34: is the array predefined? 00.02.20 # sounds like some peoples cars i know of 00.02.25 # because then you shouldn't need to find out the size :) 00.03.14 # and if it's not... can't you keep a counter of how many elements you have? 00.03.51 # I'm going to have to go the second route, it just adds more variables to the game context 00.04.02 # ok 00.04.07 # good night, and good luck :) 00.04.14 Quit t0mas ("have to get up early tomorrow") 00.04.59 # okok 00.05.02 # somethings wrong here 00.05.07 Quit bluey (Remote closed the connection) 00.05.39 Quit Siku () 00.05.55 # the eq filters should not self-oscillate this often... 00.06.39 # how do you set the backdrop?? 00.06.41 # any values in particular? 00.07.53 # ep0ch: they do so for everything i do now' 00.07.59 # ep0ch: i've messed up the patch in some way 00.08.09 # 'cause everything worked like expected an hour ago 00.09.13 # this will have to wait, i'm falling asleep 00.09.14 # gnight 00.10.59 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 00.11.06 Quit slimx (Remote closed the connection) 00.11.48 # Good night preglow 00.12.19 Quit San||Study () 00.12.36 # LinusN: uh oh! I guess your X5 is working! ;) 00.12.50 # :-) nah 00.13.15 # recording gain patch updated and ready: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1403437&group_id=44306&atid=439120 00.14.52 # LinusN: do you have already BDM connected in X5? 00.14.59 # no 00.15.12 # k 00.16.15 # Would it be much work to make the RB text color selectable? Now we have backdrops... 00.16.47 # i haven't decided on a good approach for it yet 00.17.00 # the h300 optimized build has it 00.17.20 # that patch is not a good way to do it imho 00.17.46 # ok 00.17.52 # how do u set the background image? 00.17.56 # mostly because it's hopeless to maintain the localization 00.18.00 # LinusN: Is it so hard to implement? 00.18.16 # JdGordon: hold navi on the .bmp file 00.18.27 # ta 00.18.32 # Rob2222: no, it isn't hard, it just has to be done 00.19.06 # Has no one made a (good) patch for it, yet? 00.19.09 # i'd gladly accept an RGB slider setting patch 00.19.41 # Hmm, ok. 00.20.14 # LinusN: then what? or is it not in the latest builds yet? 00.20.24 # 3 horizontal sliders on one screen, a display of the combined (hex) value, and a visual representation of the selected color 00.20.31 # time to hibernate a bit 00.20.35 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 00.20.55 # JdGordon: in the context meny, select "set as backdrop" 00.21.13 # nop, only got the usuall items 00.21.14 # it's in the bleeding edge 00.21.39 # LinusN: When Ive done my tests in university I will fresh up my C knowledge and maybe I can contribute anywhen. But atm my tests have first priority for the next month. 00.21.39 # does the "latest" link to bleeding edge or something else? 00.21.54 # what "latest" link? 00.22.00 # under the pic 00.22.01 # brb 00.22.19 # thats the daily under the pic 00.22.22 # JdGordon: that's the daily build section 00.22.28 # you must use the link more down 00.22.38 # go to the bottom of the page 00.22.54 # gah 00.23.07 # * JdGordon is still asleep 00.23.16 # * LinusN should be 00.23.27 # hehe 00.24.18 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 00.25.39 # hmm.. can u unset the background img? 00.25.47 # yes, in the lcd settings 00.26.11 # looks very cool Linus well done once more :D 00.26.32 Part Philip_0729 00.26.38 # :) looks cool.. but the image i whipped up doesnt.. so ill wait for some1 with more graphic talent than me to make a nice 1 00.26.50 Quit NightCat () 00.27.46 # time to sleep, nite all 00.27.59 Part LinusN 00.28.29 # JdGordon: what image? 00.28.49 # i took the joltamp background and hacked it up a bit to make it look like a border 00.28.55 # needs fiddling 00.29.00 # border? 00.31.31 # http://users.monash.edu.au/~jdgor1/rb/bg.bmp 00.31.35 # Well, since the text always displays on the outer edge right now, a border doesn't work so well, 'eh? 00.31.52 # no, i forgot that when i was making it :p 00.31.55 # Heh 00.32.15 # There *was* some talk about being able to set a viewport in which the menus were displayed, but nobody's done anything with that talk. 00.34.42 # linuxstb: Just an idea worth thinking about, imho: 00.35.00 # Would it be possible to require the backdrop image buffer to be line aligned? 00.35.17 # If the answer is yes, there is probably a lot of potential for speedup 00.35.38 # No hurry, I won't be able to do anything in that direction today 00.38.32 # good night all 00.39.19 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 00.39.24 # Btw, background clearing doesn't need to use the clearpixel functions at all 00.39.40 # amiconn: Yes, that's no problem at all - the buffers are defined in apps/recorder/backdrop.c 00.39.58 # So you can align them any way you wish. 00.40.07 # But later; now -> sleep 00.40.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: that's neat 00.40.15 # err 00.40.19 # JdGordon: ^ 00.40.23 # lol 00.40.48 # i got rid of the left and top line and it looks better... im gonna keep playing 00.41.17 Join Cassandra [0] (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 00.41.56 # OK - so how do I tell Rockbox to use a backdrop? 00.42.24 Join San [0] (n=test@213-202-132-184.bas502.dsl.esat.net) 00.42.53 # Cassandra: Create a bitmap equal width and height to your screen. Then, in rockbox, long-hold on it to get the menu, and choose Set as Backdrop. 00.42.55 # Just browse to it, and select "Set as backdrop" from the onplay menu 00.43.14 # Also, there' the %X tag for use in WPS files. 00.43.23 # If you want Rockbox to remember it, it has to be in /.rockbox/backdrops/ 00.43.25 # do backdrops work on the H1x0? 00.43.40 # dpassen1: Not yet, but they are planned. 00.43.54 # Oh yeah, baby! 00.43.59 # dpassen1, nope. 00.44.08 # That is a thing of beauty! 00.46.59 Join San||Study [0] (n=test@213-202-165-87.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 00.47.46 Quit CoasterMaster () 00.49.05 Nick San||Study is now known as [San] (n=test@213-202-165-87.bas503.dsl.esat.net) 00.54.55 # Hmm... the pcm_* functions currently in the codec API really want removing. codecs should have no direct access to pcm. 00.56.39 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 00.58.02 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.59.04 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (i=ashridah@220-253-122-64.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.59.08 # lostlogic: I would say that if there are any functions in the codec API not being used, then delete them. AFAIK, there are no third-party codecs to worry about. 00.59.22 Quit ender` (" I think that's how Chicago got started. A bunch of people in New York said, 'Gee, I'm enjoying the crime and the poverty, bu) 00.59.36 # linuxstb: w00t, I'll be doin' that as part of this whole audio engine audit then... if I ever make it stop deadlocking. 01.00.46 # There's no reason not to do it before then. Other people have criticised the codec api as well for containing too much. 01.00.55 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.02.22 # hmm... *nod* I'll see what I can do... also should get the pcmbuf part of my work in regardless of the state of the playback part... better to do things in smaller bites. 01.02.40 Join optimistik [0] (n=optimist@d216-232-100-172.bchsia.telus.net) 01.02.51 # I agree with that. 01.02.56 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.03.00 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 01.03.09 # can someone tell me how to uninstall rockbox from my ipod? 01.03.48 # optimistik: Did you save the bootpartition.bin you extracted when making the bootloader? 01.04.08 # ya 01.04.39 Quit San (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.05.00 # Use Apple's firmware restore utility.# 01.05.08 # If you use the same instruction you used to install rockboot.bin but instead replace it with bootpartition.bin, that should restore your firmware partition to the state it was in before. Then you can delete .rockbox and rockbox.ipod 01.05.12 # That's the easiest way. 01.05.17 # Cassandra: That way also wipes the HD. 01.05.37 # Picky, picky. 01.05.42 # (Oops, I'd forgotten that.) 01.05.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.06.19 # k thanx 01.06.22 # I've used the restore utility a few times out of necessity, but dding or ipodpatching the bootpartition.bin is actually faster. 01.06.31 # optimistik: Out of curiosity, why are you wanting to remove it? 01.07.45 # um i can't boot into the apple os cuz i got ipod linux on there too and i'm suposed to push menu to boot into the normal apple os but when i do that it boots linux 01.08.12 # Are you using the Rockbox bootloader, or iPodLinux's loader? 01.08.26 # Menu boots the Apple OS with ours, and Play boots Linux 01.08.57 # I'm not sure how you boot the Apple OS with theirs though. 01.09.54 # do u push menu at the screen or when it shows the apple logo? 01.10.08 # The Apple logo. 01.10.27 # The easiest way is to actually tap menu to turn it on, and then immediately press and hold it until you see the words "Loading Original Firmware" 01.10.50 # if i do that it boots linux and if i don't push anything it boots rockbox 01.10.54 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!") 01.11.04 # And you're using the Rockbox Bootloader? 01.11.19 # i'm not sure how do i kno? 01.11.42 # Did you download it from Rockbox.org? 01.11.48 # ya 01.11.52 # Also, did you have linux on your iPod before installing Rockbox? 01.11.58 # ya 01.11.59 # Ah 01.12.22 # And I'm guessing you didn't uninstall it first. 01.12.48 # Which means that you *probably* merged our bootloader with the iPodLinux bootloader. 01.13.52 # hmm i guess so lol and i'm guessing that was stupid 01.14.12 # I wouldn't say stupid. Just, a case that had not been predicted. 01.14.21 # optimistik: Did you already have ipodlinux installed before you installed Rockbox? 01.14.26 # I think that's the problem - when you press MENU in the Rockbox bootloader, it will start the original firmware that was on your iPod when you installed the Rockbox bootloader. In your case, that original firmware contained the ipodlinux bootloader - so the Rockbox bootloader starts the Linux bootloader, which starts Linux...... 01.14.32 # linuxstb: He already said yes to that. 01.15.22 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa197.15.tellas.gr) 01.16.16 # Paul_The_Nerd: I wrote that about 5 minutes ago :) Strange things are happening in my irc client.... 01.16.23 # lol 01.16.56 # linuxstb: Aaah. Man, did you go and get your computer possessed again? 01.16.59 # what's gdb stub in the configure utility? 01.17.18 # optimistik: If I was you, I would follow these instructions to restore the apple firmware: http://ipodlinux.org/Uninstallation 01.17.53 # Wait - that will probably delete your Linux partition..... 01.18.14 # optimistik: what OS? 01.18.39 # its ok if idelete the linux i don't use it that much just to play a video once in a while 01.19.06 # optimistik: do you have windows? 01.19.15 # ya 01.19.49 # there's a program for windows that can extract the apple_os for you, from the apple updater.exe 01.20.00 # so you don't have to restore the ipod or anything 01.20.18 # www.ipodwizard.net 01.22.40 # after i get it off is there a way for me to have linux and rockbox on there? 01.23.31 # that was my point 01.23.45 # to keep you from having to overwrite your linux partition 01.24.09 # download that app, extract your ipod's firmware, then do the ipod_fw stuff to it 01.25.25 # but then how do i get it to use rockbox's bootloader after instead of linux's so i can boot all three os's? 01.26.27 # http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/iPod-Rockbox.JPG 01.27.44 # that's a nice photo 01.28.06 # damn... i never knew ipod's looked that good :D 01.28.33 # not as nice as my h300 tho :p 01.28.37 # optimistik: the same way as before, but instead of using your ipod's backup, you use what you get from ipodwizard 01.29.07 # anyone tried a color wps on a 5G? 01.29.17 # http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/iPod-Rockbox2.JPG may be a slightly better representation (although it's a little out of focus.) 01.29.22 # Cassandra: I love that cd 01.29.38 # the muse one 01.29.54 # ahaha.. only a little out of focus :D 01.30.27 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 01.30.29 # optimistik: You can follow the instructions for the Rockbox bootloader, but instead of using the apple_os.bin that you extract from bootpartition.bin, use the apple_os.bin that ipodwizard extracts for you from the Apple updater. 01.31.12 # optimistik: And then you simply need to copy a linux kernel (called linux.bin) onto your FAT32 partition, and holding PLAY whilst booting will start that kernel. 01.31.12 # linuxstb: he still needs to ipod_fw -o apple_os -e 0 firmware_from_ipodwizard 01.31.36 # BHSPitMonkey: Yes - that's part of the instructions for installing the Rockbox bootloader. 01.31.59 # just don't want him to think the wizard one is already stripped 01.32.15 # What do you mean? 01.32.42 # Ah, sorry. So ipodwizard gives you a firmware partition image, not the apple_os.bin ? 01.32.51 # well, there's your firmware partition backup BEFORE you strip out the retailos, and then there's the one AFTER you do the -e 0 01.33.06 # sort of 01.33.07 # linuxstb: can i assume that all the members in a sturct screen * will always be valid? (i mean the data members.. not funcitons) 01.33.09 # I think so, yeah 01.33.21 # JdGordon: I've no idea about that part of Rockbox. 01.33.30 # It's damn hard to get a decent photo of a colour LCD. Particularly if you've only got a compact. (It's a good compact, but still.) 01.33.32 # any1 here that does? 01.33.48 # Cassandra: what about a scanner? 01.34.03 # amiconn: do u know? 01.34.39 Join lostlogi1 [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 01.35.15 # JdGordon: He said goodnight a while ago... 01.35.22 # damn 01.35.52 # You should look at the code and find where the screen structures are initialised. 01.36.30 # i.e. screen_init in screen_access.c 01.36.30 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-64.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.37.36 Quit optimistik () 01.38.29 # err 01.38.51 # I just registered in the wiki, it says "A confirmation e-mail has been sent to xxxxxxx@gmailNO.SPAM.com" 01.38.59 Quit lostlogic (Nick collision from services.) 01.39.01 # why did it do that to the suffix? 01.39.02 Nick lostlogi1 is now known as lostlogic (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 01.39.16 # Did you get the email? 01.39.40 # Hmm - scan's not bad, but it kind of washes out the display 01.39.56 # yeah, but I've never seen that done to my address 01.40.24 # Cassandra: try when your nano's lost its luster ;) 01.40.45 # Cassandra: I assume that boxes now uses a backdrop image? 01.41.21 # Mine never had a lustre. It's an object trouvee 01.41.54 # linuxstb, nope. I'll add backdrop setting support to the themes engine at some point though. 01.42.06 # Cassandra: You can use a %X tag in a WPS 01.42.08 # Capital X 01.42.32 # Paul_The_Nerd, yeah, but if I do that, people can't substitute their own backdrop. 01.42.47 # And boxes is backdrop agnostic. 01.43.10 # Well, I think inside boxes, with the screen pretty full of bitmappery, and pre-toned shadows, substituting backdrops may not be so likely 01.43.19 Quit darkless (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.43.24 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. 01.43.43 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 01.44.10 # I humbly disagree on the "backdrop agnostic" statement. :) 01.44.22 # Possibly. The %X tag is intended for WPSes that *require* a particular backdrop though. 01.44.29 # I suppose that's true 01.44.41 # You could just as easily use a green gradient with boxes, if you wanted. 01.45.27 # But, it looks horrible with say... the image of Thomas Edison I've put on the right side of my screen, for example. He watches over my menus. 01.46.11 # Well Paul, it's possible that we could have a seperate WPS backdrop setting, but that seems a little complex. 01.46.31 # Yeah 01.46.31 # hmmmmmm is there some way that the codec is being overwritten while it's asleep and that is why this thing crashes? 01.46.33 # If it bothers you you can always do your own boxes with the %X tag in. 01.46.34 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 01.48.12 # I'm trying to think of it from the "Joe Average" perspective, who sets some cool looking menu background, then runs boxes and says "eww, there must be a bug, my backdrop is getting all over my WPS." I've already got a personalized WPS, so it's not a real concern to me, it just feels like the "demonstration" WPS shouldn't have what to users will be unexpected behaviour. 01.49.15 Quit youngcereal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.50.05 # * Paul_The_Nerd will shut up now, before he gets too annoying. :) 01.51.01 # I see your point, but when we have foreground and background colour setting the WPS will alter as well. I think it's better to be consistent. 01.53.02 Join youngcereal [0] (n=youngcer@p54B228B5.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 01.53.56 Quit Jolt ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.54.22 # I imagined you'd have tags in the WPS to override those as well, when the time comes. 01.56.43 # Well, early days. We'll see how it shakes out. 01.57.03 # linuxstb: ping 01.57.06 Join CoasterMaster [0] (i=CoasterM@crown-6-149.resnet.ucsc.edu) 01.57.55 # BHSPitMonkey: ? 01.58.15 # I made a small addition to the Ipodinstallation wiki page, wanted to see if you approve 01.58.29 # (first wiki edit, feel awkward) 01.58.40 # section 1c 01.59.03 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 02.02.21 # BHSPitMonkey: I think that page needs to be kept as simple as possible - I'm not sure if that will help or confuse people trying to follow those instructions. 02.02.52 # Maybe it would be better if that was in the FAQ - a question about how to have both ipodlinux and Rockbox installed, and the installation instructions could link to the FAQ. 02.02.57 # well, the note specifies to whom it's directed 02.03.06 # hmm 02.04.45 # is alac up to date with the original sources? 02.05.01 # BHSPitLappy: I just think that in general, unneccessary choices are a bad thing - those instructions are complicated enough already. 02.05.10 # ok 02.05.11 # David Hammerton's Apple Lossless (ALAC) decoder ver 0.1.1 was released Nov 26 02.05.12 # midgey34: I wasn't aware of any updated releases. Have there been? 02.05.16 # I'll trust your judgement then 02.05.25 # do you want me to go in and remove it then? 02.06.19 # he mentions performance improvements on his site but I haven't taken much of a look at the source 02.06.45 # BHSPitLappy: You could move it to the FAQ - you have space there to write as much as you want. 02.07.18 Quit hardeep ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 02.07.46 # midgey34: Thanks for that link, I'll have a look. It comes at a good time - ALAC isn't realtime on the ipod for some reason. 02.08.12 # Our source has changed a little from the original release - so it may be a little work to update it. 02.08.15 # that's why I decided to look into it 02.08.32 # alright, hopefully the changes are helpful 02.09.58 # Is it just me, or does the shuffle function (at least on the iPod Nano) not really that random.....? 02.10.28 # CoasterMaster: What exactly do you mean? 02.11.46 # midgey34: I've just looked at the differences, and they seem to me mostly in the metadata parser. Only one small function has actually been optimised, and there seems to be one bugfix. 02.11.55 Join topbloke [0] (i=top_blok@adsl-68-253-213-134.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 02.13.30 # midgey34: So I'm not sure why his release notes say "vastly improve improvements". 02.13.53 # I mean "vastly improve performance" 02.19.12 # stream.c and stream.h have some changes, nothing that would affect us though 02.19.47 # I'm not seeing this vast improvement either 02.21.44 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@vp089013.reshsg.uci.edu) 02.24.05 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 02.24.23 # There is some optimisation in the deinterlace_16() function - but I've already changed that function. I can see some more simplifications now though, which I can test. 02.27.56 # do the changes to count_leading_zeros() affect us? 02.28.20 # in alac.c 02.28.45 # Maybe - I haven't tried them yet. We need an ARM assembler version of that function. 02.28.49 # * linuxstb wakes preglow up 02.31.38 # ok, im almost done a colour picker screen... how the heck do i test it? 02.32.34 # Add it to a menu - any menu :) 02.33.00 # Or make a plugin out of it. 02.33.58 # midgey34: Yes, the count_leading_zeros() optimisation was the big one. ALAC's now fine on the ipod. 02.35.21 # Sorry, not quite fine. It still struggles if data is being read from disk at the same time. But it's close. 02.37.07 # well good 02.37.35 # * midgey34 prays that the FFmpeg people are working on AAC 02.40.03 Join Yoo`Hoo [0] (i=Whatever@bzq-218-45-207.cablep.bezeqint.net) 02.40.42 Part Yoo`Hoo 02.43.50 # If we can get asm versions of the count_leading_zeros() function for ARM and Coldfire, that should give a nice boost. But I'll commit the new C version from alac 0.1.1 now. 02.45.13 # alright 02.46.11 Join mafj2 [0] (n=mafj2@tor/session/x-4b186a08c10b4bac) 02.48.35 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 02.51.10 Quit paugh ("Leaving") 02.51.16 # Paul_the_nerd: sorry it took so long to get back to you....but I was using Rockbox (the 02012006 daily) on my nano and the suffle seemed to do the same songs in the same order (I heard Hot Hot Heat's You Owe Me an IOU followed by Michael Franti's cover of What I Got a lot to day) 02.51.34 Join Midgey31 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.51.44 # CoasterMaster: As in, it ran through the playlist, started again, and the order did not change? 02.51.58 # Or did you relaunch the playlist, and it actually said "shuffling" and then the order was still the same? 02.52.29 # I relaunched the playlist and got the shuffling message 02.53.19 # And this happens consistently that songs are often paired together? Statistically speaking, the odds are the same for X to be paired with Y a second time as they were the first time, so it could happen. 02.53.27 # but it wasn't a playlist....it was a folder 02.53.50 # Well, folders become playlists when you launch a song from them. 02.53.55 # How many songs are in the folder? 02.54.19 # Not too many, which means it's probably a coincidence: 15 02.54.34 # Yeah, it's very possibly coincidence. 02.55.12 # Yeah, I'm playing with it some more and it seems to be shuffling fine 02.55.16 # Midgey31: I've just committed that alac optimisation - thanks again for pointing it out. 02.55.25 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) 02.55.28 # Okay, I'm glad then. But thanks for the concern. 02.55.40 # Always trying to help out a good project :). 02.56.00 # linuxstb: have you taken a look at the demux.c changes? 02.57.54 # Not yet - I may look at them sometime, but Rockbox needs a better m4a/mp4 parser anyway - for the AAC codec. 02.58.39 # ok 03.00.30 # Anyway, time for bed. Goodnight. 03.00.57 # night 03.03.17 # linuxstb: is there a way to revert the wiki page, other than re-editing it 03.05.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.06.37 Part topbloke 03.07.16 Quit CoasterMaster () 03.08.49 Quit midgey34 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.10.07 # BHSPitMonkey: Not as far as I know - just re-edit it. 03.10.18 Nick Midgey31 is now known as midgey34 (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.16.47 # I noticed slimx patch for 3g on the patch tracker from Jan 22 can the lcd portion be added even before the ata stuff is working for us 4g 2bpp users? 03.18.09 # jaebird: That's a possibility. But there are no developers with a 4g who can test such a build... 03.18.58 # linuxstb: I can test the build...it is just been a long time since I've done C and never ARM 03.19.08 # slimx has done a lot more work on the lcd driver since then though - so we should ask him to submit a new patch. 03.19.25 # I'm not a patch expert either :) 03.19.52 # That would be great. 03.20.33 # Now's a great time to refresh your memory... 03.20.42 # :) 03.21.36 # Just download the Rockbox source code, set yourself up a development environment (see the Documentation section on the Rockbox website), and compile one of the existing iPod builds. 03.21.44 # You'll then be ready to make a 4g build... :) 03.22.11 # OK...you twisted my arm...already got the code, looking at the docs 03.22.12 # hows the ipod dev going? don't have one, but just interested in how you guys are going 03.22.46 # Rockbox is running well (with audio) on the Nano and 4G Color. It runs without audio on the 5G (Video). 03.23.00 # :'( whyt he heck am i getting "undefined reference to '_get_colour'" ?? ive added the correct . h files.. 03.23.01 # But there is still lots of work to do on the Nano and 4G Color ports. 03.23.06 # ooo, I didn't know you were getting it running on the nano :D 03.23.13 # hows the ipod port looking compared to the iriver? 03.23.36 # http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~christi/misc/iPod-Rockbox.JPG 03.23.36 # if archos is 100% (ie, being released), where would you say ipod and iriver are? 03.23.47 # does anyone know if the ubuntu breezy packages suffice? 03.24.29 # jaebird: don't think so, they are gcc 4.0 03.24.49 # You can get a different version of gcc on ubuntu if you specify 03.24.51 # mikearthur: The iriver is probably about 90% there in terms of a first release, the Nano and 4G Color are about 50% there. But a 50% strength Rockbox is still usable... 03.25.16 # (just my opinions) 03.25.16 # yeh, I've been using the iRiver for a while 03.25.22 # I'm convinced its currently the best player on the market, with rockbox support, purely for the gapless 03.25.28 # (I listen to a lot of prog) 03.25.38 # made a hardware mod to my iriver remote the other day 03.25.44 # jaebird: Don't try and use pre-packaged cross-compilers - they _always_ cause people problems. Just download the source to gcc-4.0.2 and binutils-2.16 and compile them yourself. It's very straightforward. 03.25.50 # running over it with my chair :( 03.26.16 # mikearthur: GCC4.0 is actually what you use for Rockbox on iPod anyway 03.26.42 # But as I said 30 minutes ago, it's time for bed. Goodnight. 03.26.52 # Yeah, and actually *sleep* this time. 03.26.53 # great... 03.27.05 # linuxstb: does or should the ipod currently/eventually be able to support gapless? 03.27.14 # mikearthur: It currently does. 03.27.22 # :o 03.27.23 # awesome 03.27.28 # I want an ipod now :( 03.28.01 # There are a few small glitches to it, I hear from others, but those are glitches, rather than hardware limitations. 03.28.11 # i'm still happy with my H140. but the ipod doesn't suck like it used to anymore thanks to rockbox 03.28.51 # I vaguely remember reading something saying flashing an ipod is a lot less dangerous, as you can just restore the old firmware with the apple software 03.28.51 # is that the case? 03.29.15 # i believe so 03.29.48 # mikearthur: You don't actually *flash* an ipod anyway 03.29.57 # isn't it a small partition on the drive? 03.30.00 # There's a hidden HD partition, basically, and you just rewrite that 03.30.05 # yeah 03.30.45 # The apple firmware restore utility can rebuild the HD's state to "factory new" so basically, you're safe from lasting harm. And there is a firmware Disk Mode, that never gets touched because it's actually in firmware. 03.30.54 # cool 03.31.57 # as much as i hate to say it that's a more elegant solution than flashing EEPROM (IIRC) 03.32.23 # lot easier to brick an H1xx or H3xx 03.32.57 # yeh 03.33.16 # presumably that means some of the disk access and stuff doesn't need to be written for the iPod, as its already in firmware 03.36.15 # Well, currently when a USB cable is plugged in, it reboots into the hardware "Disk Mode" 03.36.51 # But although the easiest solution, I don't think it's the best one in the long term, since at least on Nano "Disk Mode" is noticeably slow. 03.41.36 Quit PaulJ (".") 03.46.30 Part midgey34 03.48.53 # does it act on a usb1.1 interface or something in hardware diskmode? 03.49.14 # I'm really not sure. 03.49.40 # somebody lsusb the thing 03.49.41 # :P 03.49.48 Join Midgey31 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.50.01 # Didn't bother to check. I applied the patch to load Retail OS when USB is inserted, and have just been using that the whole time 03.58.32 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: now with Olestra!") 04.00.32 # Ok. got the toolchain built and a 4g version built! 04.00.55 # Now I just got to get the lcd changes from slimx 3g patch... 04.05.58 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-64.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.05.59 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 04.09.36 Join Midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 04.10.41 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-64.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.11.17 # aww, I see my improved h1xx icons never got used on the daily table 04.14.48 # hmm. do i need to do anything to get new files compiled and their functions shared (other that including the nescacery .h) ?? 04.20.19 # what wps's or otherwise thematic things have been made for the nano yet? 04.21.30 # Just the Boxes one 04.21.54 # Since I like text based WPSes, I personally just use a couple interesting BG images 04.23.22 # I've found that filling the whitespace doesn't bother me, like the complicated themes do: http://66.68.93.2/Rockbox/dump%20060202-201430.bmp http://66.68.93.2/Rockbox/dump%20061002-201726.bmp 04.25.14 # :'( any devs here? 04.27.48 Quit Midgey31 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.28.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: does edison still show up flying through the stars? :P 04.29.01 # Sadly, no. 04.29.10 # that needs to be toggle-able ;) 04.29.14 # It's tempting to revert the bit in plugins.c for me. 04.32.23 # Silly me...thinking the patch on current CVS would apply cleanly to slimx Jan 22 patch 04.32.47 # I'm going to have to do this differently... 04.36.37 # JdGordon: this a plugin or something else? 04.36.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: are the menu backdrops set in .cfg's? 04.37.06 # no, colour picker for text colour 04.37.25 # BHSPitLappy: You just browse to a BMP, long hold to pop up the context menu, and choose "Set as Backdrop" 04.37.30 # ah 04.37.34 # kewel. 04.37.40 # how about wps? 04.37.43 # If the backdrop is in .rockbox/backdrops (I think that's the name of the folder) it'll be saved through reboots 04.37.48 # you just set an image, and the text displays in front? 04.38.06 # In WPS, you use the %X|image.bmp| tag (capital X) to set that WPS' backdrop. If one isn't set, it uses the global backdrop 04.38.11 # JdGordon: hm. well, afaik, it needs to be in an extra text file in the directory it's in 04.39.19 # oh, bugger.... i missed SOURCES.. added it to FILES instead :p 04.39.20 # ta 04.40.02 # erm, where are we exactly on text color? 04.40.23 # We're "It's not settable yet" 04.40.43 # linusN wanted a proper colour chooser thingy instead of what the h300 opt. patch has.. and ive been bored today 04.40.52 # ... for the hour ive actually been at my computer 04.41.08 # k 04.45.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: only bmp as backdrop, right? no png support? 04.46.16 # png decompression would be seriously taxing. 04.46.23 # Yeah, only BMP, and only at the screen resolution. 04.46.37 # it'd be more intelligent to add png support to some kind of rockboxify tool 04.47.01 # since they're thinking of reworking them into one single file containing layout+graphics anyway, so far as i gather 04.47.20 # Oh, was the preprocessor method decided for? 04.47.36 # it's been discussed. i don't know if it's been confirmed 04.48.12 # Last I'd heard the favoured method involved the .wps remaining text, and the bitmaps being in less files (or one) and using the bitmap_part stuff 04.49.21 # can any1 send me apps/misc.c ?? its taking too long to dl the source from the site 04.49.33 # hey, once i've initiated the WPS, how do I get back to file browser? 04.49.37 # (nano) 04.50.41 # Select button 04.51.15 # haha 04.51.20 # so smart am I 04.51.49 # err, how can I browse to the .rockbox folder? (if I even can) 04.52.00 # u need to show all files 04.52.16 Join gantrixx [0] (n=anon@ip24-251-36-103.ph.ph.cox.net) 04.52.17 # ah 04.52.18 # thanks 04.53.08 # ok guys, so I'm placing the order today. Which would you recommend iAudio X5 or the iRiver H340? Which has a better user interface? 04.53.32 # gantrixx: By user interface, do you mean "buttons" or "what the screen shows"? 04.53.51 # oh, why can't it be both :) 04.53.54 # both 04.54.11 # the buttons on the mpio suck and sodoes the graphical interface 04.54.12 # Well, I was assuming since he was asking in Rockbox he planned to install it 04.54.21 #