--- Log for 10.02.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 26 days and 17 hours ago 00.00.10 # ah ok, what did you do then? 00.00.32 # Ah, there it is. 00.01.42 # hmm... doesn't attempt settings save @ < 10% 00.02.10 # ts|gone: i wasnt identified when i joined so i assume he saw that 00.02.12 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 00.02.20 # [23:59:36] <@ts|gone> maybe your client registerd it when he joined w/o the cloak? 00.02.35 # steveb: If you ever use Xchat... check out this script: http://old.homeip.net/martin/smallprojects/antiaway.py 00.02.45 # i will never use xchat 00.02.56 # thats a given. 00.02.57 # it stops the channel from getting hilighted on "* someone is away" 00.03.10 # there are irssi scripts for things like that 00.03.20 # i have one that bans on away messages 00.03.27 # ghehe 00.03.44 # on my net we code bots for that... but that's because it's a very tech-related net :) 00.03.49 # irssi is the best irc client. ever. 00.08.21 # h3x0 and h1x0 have the same basic power management problems, right? 00.08.46 # problems? 00.10.36 # the player has a habit of suddenly shutting down when the battery is lowish 00.10.40 # for no really good reason 00.11.32 # dpassen1: I'll have to either get the submitter to do some work on this patch, or do some myself... full of good ideas, but not the best execution. 00.11.52 # I'm just glad steps are being taken. 00.12.05 # This is the only 'issue' I still have with RockBox on my 120. 00.12.07 # lostlogic: is the fact that the battery is low not a good enough reason? 00.12.17 Quit Henrico ("gtkBitchX: the ONLY IRC client on Viagra!") 00.12.55 # Ok, that was a complete failure. Time to try again. 00.13.31 # steveb: no good reason to me is because the battery is not at a critical level... 00.13.58 # the problem is that LiIon has major voltage fluctiations under heavy current draw as it gets even moderately low. 00.17.13 # Yay, blue screen., 00.17.19 # * Shadowarrior13 hugs nearest member 00.18.15 # Where's the rockbox.zip for the 5g? 00.18.39 # You have to compile it yourself. 00.18.53 # Damn. 00.19.37 # I swear that yesterday the sim had the targets skin 00.19.48 # now it has only the display 00.20.30 # It's now optional - check the cvs logs 00.20.35 Join muesli_- [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 00.22.01 # Me, or him? 00.22.43 # him 00.22.47 # K. 00.28.03 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 00.29.26 # wow new score! I missed that 00.29.42 Quit ender` (" Variables won't. Constants aren't.") 00.30.34 # Alright, I've come to a conclusion. 00.30.38 # I suck at life. 00.30.57 # why? 00.31.23 # Compiling on windows is HORRIBLE :P 00.32.11 # cygwin? 00.32.16 # I hate it. 00.32.37 # well it is better than the Devkit, lol 00.32.40 # But I'm using it. and I'm stupid at programming/compiling. 00.32.55 # Which is why I suck at life. 00.33.18 # one thing at a time. At first I couldn't compile it myself 00.33.48 # Dude, do you already have it compiled? 00.34.02 # I'm just gonna start bitching around for a precompiled version. 00.34.06 # >.> 00.34.07 # haha 00.34.17 # what are you trying to compile? 00.34.20 # I mean which target 00.34.25 # 5G 00.34.45 # did you read the how to set up a cygwin environment? 00.35.02 # Yeah, my cygwin/computer just doesn't like...things. 00.35.17 # cygwin makes me want to jump off a cliff 00.35.18 # :P 00.35.22 # Amen. 00.35.26 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.36.40 # well at my case following the guide was just straight forward 00.36.55 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.37.06 # I read the guide yesterday and then I set up cygwin 00.37.20 # as we are talking I am compiling various sims and targets 00.37.25 # My problem is that I've set it up once, and it won't reinstall againb :P 00.37.28 # again* 00.37.59 # delete the whole cygwin folder and start again. (I hope you kept the packages) 00.38.13 # www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.zip 00.38.21 # :O 00.38.38 # Is that what I think it is? 00.38.50 # yeah, twenty completely insane viruses 00.38.56 # just unzip and enjoy 00.39.02 # ....not *quite* what I was thinking. 00.39.17 # you gave a link to viruses? 00.39.26 # But if it is, then I dub thee infinitely sexy. 00.39.27 # * preglow gives XavierGr a link to sarcasm 00.39.42 # lol 00.40.05 # teh sexin355. 00.40.11 # i'm hot, yes 00.40.14 # no denying that 00.40.39 # don't make love to me just yet, though, it's my first ipod video build, and might not work 00.40.48 # At least it's a start :P 00.41.48 Quit Genre9mp3 () 00.42.04 # lol 00.42.16 # It loads a little picture of a USB cable 00.42.25 # And the time :P 00.43.21 # recommend you don't keep the usb cable inserted 00.43.21 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.43.32 # since that's more or less going to make it a bit unresponsive 00.43.43 # Well, it was never inserted in the first place :P 00.43.50 # nice... 00.43.50 # It's not doing much, really. 00.43.54 # Just chilling. 00.44.00 # with the usb logo? 00.44.03 # Yup. 00.44.27 # can i ask you if you're sure the usb cable is unplugged again without insulting your intelligence? 00.44.28 # Loads with a yellow rockbox logo, then switches to the USB. 00.44.40 # * preglow kicks linuxstb 00.44.45 # rofl 00.44.50 # Yes, it's still unplugged :P 00.45.08 # keep select and menu pressed until reboots and say "take 2" out loud 00.45.19 # Already did ^_^ 00.45.28 # then repeat with "take 3" 00.45.32 # Hahaha 00.45.36 # This would be take 4. 00.45.58 # weeell, i'll just leave you with linuxstb, then 00.46.03 # XD 00.46.27 # he's the only other one with a video around here 00.46.38 # Kays, I'll bitch at him for a while. 00.46.42 # *cough* 00.46.57 # do so 00.47.05 # d000000d. linuxstb. 00.47.08 # I love you. 00.47.27 # <3 00.48.05 # Crap, he's not even here :P 00.48.05 # a lotta lovin going on in here 00.48.57 # not here? there's even two of him 00.49.02 # ShyK: we're like that 00.49.13 # * preglow strokes ShyK 00.49.15 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 00.49.20 # Not anymore. 00.49.30 # preglow: not in front of everyone 00.50.39 # you know how shy i get 00.52.44 # time for bed 00.52.46 # gnight 00.52.55 # shhh don't tell everyone! 00.52.59 # gnight 00.53.42 # Woa, is that kingstone I spy? 00.53.46 # That's nuts. 00.53.59 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.54.04 # I bet HE'D have a compiled 5G rockbox. 00.54.16 # what? someone needs a compiled 5g rockbox? 00.54.26 # <-----him. 00.54.53 # gimme like.. 5 minutes 00.55.07 # testing out cygwin dev environment for the first time, if no go then i can reboot to linux for that 00.55.13 # lol, thanks a million. 00.58.23 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 01.01.22 # why the keys on the ipod colour sim are inverted? 01.03.05 # Shadowarrior13: This works fine for me: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip 01.03.13 # :O 01.03.44 # XavierGr: I've spotted that, but was too lazy to change the bitmaps... 01.03.52 # You're even sexier... 01.04.03 # Don't start that again.... 01.04.07 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (i=proxyuse@adsl-67-65-15-72.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 01.04.21 # But PAUL 01.04.27 # Paul is the sexiest. 01.06.02 # Of course I am. 01.06.59 # Damnit, it's still just showing the USB thing. 01.07.51 # *waits for midkay's compile" 01.07.58 # Shadowarrior13, that build is about 3 weeks old, FYI 01.08.01 # about done compiling.. 01.08.11 # lol 01.09.08 # done.. i'll put it on yousendit i guess 01.09.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.09.28 # Yay 01.10.26 # What's being worked on? 01.10.44 # Trying to put teh rockboxiness on my 5G iPod. 01.10.52 # Shadowarrior13 is making everyone compile Rockbox for him... 01.10.57 # XD 01.11.01 # It's how I roll. 01.11.42 # isn't that what the "daily builds" page is for? 01.11.58 # not for video ipods, no.. 01.12.00 # for some reason 01.12.02 # No daily build for the 5G. 01.12.06 # Gursikh: There's not a daily for 5g. Also, generally speaking, if you can't compile it yourself there's probably very little use in putting it on a 5g 01.12.14 # *cough* 01.12.28 # ah 01.12.31 # Paul how the yesterday's metting was? 01.12.48 # Crap, brb 01.12.50 # Keep going :P 01.12.57 Quit Shadowarrior13 () 01.13.06 # XavierGr: It did not go well. But, such is life. 01.13.22 # wtf, where did he go!! 01.13.24 # Ouch,,, 01.13.43 # I am sorry to hear that Paul. 01.13.44 # what didn't go well? 01.14.07 # Nothing so important. 01.14.31 # sorry to hear it in any case.. 01.14.55 # Thanks 01.18.44 Part LinusN 01.21.55 # new midi patch on sourceforge 01.22.40 # hey Paul_The_Nerd, the original creator of the patch has updated it on the tracker (just for your information) 01.23.04 # Gursikh: That's good then. :) 01.23.11 # kkurbjun: Is it realtime? 01.24.01 # Paul: for most of the files I was testing it was 01.24.01 # kkurbjun: you forgot to attach it 01.24.12 # midgey: thanks 01.24.14 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-226-206.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.24.32 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!") 01.24.42 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.24.43 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@207-237-226-206.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.24.58 # midgey34: it's on there now 01.25.26 # so is this patch with original creator changes? 01.25.35 # who went and cleaned out the patch tracker? 01.25.57 # XavierGr: I don't understand the question 01.26.02 # it is down at the moment. 01.26.26 # 10[02:22] Gursikh: 01hey Paul_The_Nerd, the original creator of the patch has updated it on the tracker (just for your information) 01.26.35 # I thought it said it about the midi plugin 01.26.53 # XavierGr: oh no sorry, the mactidy/disktidy plugin 01.27.07 # anyway kkburjun any optimizations in it? 01.27.15 # oh, it's gone now... 01.27.54 # yes, a few, most of the work was in getting output inside rockbox though. Not much needed to be done to get it playing realtime 01.28.17 # so you think you can make it realtime? 01.28.19 # I would like to use it in doom if I can ever get the two paired fast enough 01.28.36 # it is realtime on most of the files I tested 01.28.49 # also does it now play the file or it will just export the audio in a wav file? 01.29.42 # anyway, I have to go, hopefully later tonight I'll be able to put an update for doom online. It plays the file; no wav writing. 01.29.55 # nice indeed! 01.30.23 # Do you think that you will optimize it more? Is the playback at 44.1Khz? 01.32.09 # the playback is at 11025 now. I couldn't tell much of a difference between that and 22050 so I stepped it down. I think the patches are in 11025Hz anyway. I would like to optimize it more, but we'll see. The goal for me is to be able to use it in doom. 01.32.09 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.32.52 # I remember a great degrade in audio in 11025. But I will test your patch to see for myself 01.34.01 # XavierGr: I wasn't testing with wav recording so I'm sure the difference could be much more noticable, eitherway, I was looking to make the plugin at least work on the target 01.34.07 # kkurbjun: I got an error on compile time. What's your target? 01.34.27 # H300 01.34.30 # what's the error? 01.34.53 # H100 mine: In file included from midi2wav.c:33: 01.34.53 # midi/midiutil.c: In function `printf': 01.34.53 # midi/midiutil.c:232: error: `va_list' undeclared (first use in this function) 01.34.55 # and more 01.35.00 # I will try a clean make 01.35.11 # oh, I forgot about the doom patch 01.35.28 # it needs the same patch to cvs that doom needs 01.35.47 # you can just make the printf an empty function if you want to get it working 01.35.57 # okay I will try 01.36.05 # but you won't see any of the status information 01.36.21 Quit muesli_- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.27 # can you update it tomorrow? 01.47.26 Join Paul_The_Ner1 [0] (i=proxyuse@adsl-67-65-15-72.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 01.47.54 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.48.05 Nick Paul_The_Ner1 is now known as Paul_The_Nerd (i=proxyuse@adsl-67-65-15-72.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 01.53.32 Join T-can [0] (n=porkins4@pool-70-105-242-121.port.east.verizon.net) 02.04.42 # so rockbox works on 4g greyscale ipods? 02.10.16 Join Kensir [0] (n=pandafus@cpe-66-87-151-238.il.sprintbbd.net) 02.11.49 Part Paul_The_Nerd 02.12.56 # T-can, yes, but i'm unsure as to how well.. 02.13.27 # T-can: that makes you a perfect candidate to be a tester :) 02.14.26 # haha, i just noticed a need for 4g B&W ipods for testing :) 02.14.32 # in the forums 02.15.09 # also seems like a reasonably stable version of rockbox for 4g has only been out for 2 days :yikes: 02.15.12 # * steveb <3 rockbox 02.15.26 # doom makes voiding the warrenty worthwhile 02.15.33 # * T-can :yikes: @ testing 02.15.41 # but ya, id be willing to test 02.15.51 # i already have linux and podzilla on 02.15.52 # T-can, it's completely safe 02.15.57 # and ive hacked the crap outta my strings 02.16.06 # haha 02.16.25 # and im not sure if i really like IPL that much 02.16.33 # there is no sleep 02.16.40 # i have to reboot each time i want to start it 02.17.03 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (i=proxyuse@adsl-67-65-15-72.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 02.17.07 # yea 02.17.09 # thats a pain 02.17.20 # i have been hunting for a mod for that 02.17.23 # nothing 02.17.34 # damn 5gs arent supported anywhere 02.17.55 # im psyched about rockbox though 02.18.01 Quit Gursikh () 02.18.02 # seems much more active than iPL 02.18.10 # when is Apple gunna release sourcecode, thats what i wanT!!! 02.18.27 # i do like a lot of the features on IPL 02.18.47 # and there 4g version on IPL has been around for a awhile and is very stable 02.19.31 # what sort of features? 02.20.09 # I'm too lazy to compile Rockbox.zip source...I'm off to restore this thing 02.20.32 # huh? 02.20.38 # for the 5g 02.20.43 # they dont have the rockbox.zip 02.20.54 # wait 02.20.58 # and im not compiling the source myself 02.20.59 # http://s25.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=2PW50JQYCEHJT0V8PPN2QPJWV3 02.21.03 # freshly compiled 02.21.07 # k 02.21.08 # thanks! 02.21.11 # well, im not sure what rockbox has for features, but i reall like the appereance settings on IPL 02.21.16 # from an hour or so ago, was for someone else but they left.. *shrugs* 02.21.24 # huh 02.21.26 # along with batt tweaks, fonts 02.21.28 # Man, everyone with their "I like pretty more than feature rich" 02.21.29 # well im now that special someone 02.21.30 # * Paul_The_Nerd mutters. 02.21.41 # wheel sense. adjustment 02.21.51 # Kensir, exactly :) 02.22.09 # plus everything in file browser 02.22.35 # but like i said, i have no clue what rockbox has for features so they might have some of this stuff 02.23.05 # Most of the Rockbox features are listed at the site. 02.23.38 # And mainly relate to things like "Parametric Equalizer" "Replaygain" "Gapless playback" etc. 02.23.43 # the only REAL complaint i have about IPL is the whole sleep/turn on/reboot deal and when you are playing a song, pressing Menu to go back to view artists or whatever will stop playback of the song 02.24.02 # And the wide variety of formats supported 02.24.06 # yea 02.24.54 # anyone have a features list for rockbox, i cant seem to find one on their site 02.25.11 # T-can, in the end there's a lot more I believe, maybe some stuff isn't working yet, but it's just starting out for ipods 02.25.44 # T-can, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison - no ipod column though 02.25.52 # gives you an idea, basically the same between iriver and ipod 02.25.59 # It's also a little bit out of date. 02.26.11 # But, close enough 02.28.00 # you can load another firmware without rebooting?? 02.28.03 # thats pretty cool 02.28.22 # another rockbox firmware.. 02.28.26 # Well, right now that doesn't work on iPod 02.28.56 # gotcha 02.29.01 # Theoretically it could allow you to launch Linux from Rockbox, but right now because of the way the memory is remapped, you can't even load rockbox from within itself I believe. RoLo needs some adaption I've been told 02.29.58 # But it can be used to test out changes easily, on the players it works with 02.30.21 # so people have already successfully put it on 4g BW right? 02.30.35 # Yes 02.31.00 # I remember a small change was needed for the contrast, but I think that's in CVS now. 02.31.07 # ya, same with IPL 02.31.29 # Well, the default had just been set too low 02.31.52 # does rockbox have the batt and CPU tweak? 02.32.20 # A) Define "batt and CPU tweak" 02.33.50 # batt tweak shows millivolt draw of batt where batt meter would be 02.34.10 # CPU tweak shows a rough estimate of CPU usage 02.34.21 # Naah 02.34.29 # these were both availible through ipodwizard 02.34.46 # On the iRiver players, the processor is run at a relatively slow speed (~1/3 of the maximum speed) and it's boosted up when necessary. Something similar will probably be done on iPod, but hasn't been implemented yet. 02.34.57 # you can't even see the battery power in ipod 02.35.01 # in rockbox, that is 02.35.07 # (for the ipod) 02.35.10 # Yet 02.35.15 # huh 02.35.17 # It's just a matter of "nobody's bothered" 02.35.21 # Since all the code is there. 02.35.24 # From iPod linux. 02.36.01 # ya, im pretty sure both of the tweaks are hidden somewhere in ipod strings 02.36.04 # T-can: have you started trying to install 02.36.15 # i was just about to ask if i should 02.36.22 # T-can: actually, they're mostly pretty unimpressive tweaks. 02.36.28 # ya, i know 02.36.40 # T-can: Well, Rockbox has nothing to do with the original firmware, so it's really not related in any way to things like "the battery tweak" 02.36.41 # but i think at least the batt tweak is more accurate than the meter 02.36.47 # k 02.36.59 # for example,'disable seep sleep mode' works by screwing up a file that it checks before deep sleeping 02.37.08 # i see 02.37.38 # go ahead and start messing with rockbox though 02.37.40 # so for installing rockbox, i think im just gunna delete all IPL files then just re-update apple firmware 02.37.45 # yep 02.37.51 # wait what? 02.37.56 # leave linux alone, numbnuts 02.38.05 # and your firmware 02.38.13 # Are people still waiting on me?? 02.38.38 # can i leave IPL on and still install RB? 02.38.46 # o'course. 02.39.15 # and ipod would work with 3 OS's on it???? 02.39.16 # all you're lined up to do is make_fw yourself another firmware partition 02.39.22 # ok ok ok 02.39.23 # mine does :) 02.39.40 # do you have make_fw sitting around? 02.39.47 # no 02.39.57 # you can get it from rockbox's site too, then 02.40.02 # but they call it ipod_fw here 02.40.06 # k 02.40.24 # also, since the 4G's so new you might be stuck building rockbox yourself, from cvs 02.41.07 # BHSPitLappy: One thing, he needs a clean boot partition to start from, unless he's using iPodLoader2 and just wants to continue with that. 02.42.28 # someone inform safetydan that even if I launch rockboxui.exe with --background the remote screen isn't displayed 02.42.30 # hey I'm going to make B4gder a 4g 2bpp pic for the daily page...is there an original somewhere for the color...the one online is really small. 02.46.03 # can anyone validate the claim that IPL eats up more battery then rockbox? 02.46.45 Quit Kensir () 02.47.49 # T-can: I'd be surprised if it did. Right now Rockbox runs one processor at full speed constantly. On a Nano, Rockbox gets about 7.5 hours of playback, if that's in any way helpful. 02.49.46 # do you know what nano is rated for for hours of playback? 02.50.08 # Apple advertises at 14 as a maximum. 02.50.32 # But, bear in mind, my test was with Q8 (256kbps) Ogg, theirs is with 128kbps AAC. 02.57.44 # I added http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodStatus for a place to keep updated info about the status of Ipod models...so we don't get questions like "is the 5g play audio?" 02.58.00 # dude read the wiki! 02.58.45 # jaebird: It's locked. I was gonna add in Nano status. 02.59.16 # Try again... 03.00.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: I have a 4g gray icon for the daily page...where should I put it? 03.00.39 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 03.00.42 # hi 03.00.53 # http://www.drawball.com/ hehe 03.01.28 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 03.02.41 # jaebird: I think you just have to wait for the right person to be around... I believe it Bagder, but I may be wrong. As well, updated your IpodStatus page. 03.02.57 # saw it... 03.03.24 # I'm still amazed how quickly Ipod came to Rockbox! 03.03.33 # or the other way around 03.04.19 # Well, Preglow and Linuxstb have done some exceptional work. 03.04.21 # ya 03.04.24 # I will post the image...and hopefully B4gder will find it 03.04.33 # in the forums, it said 2 days ago stuff was still shakey 03.04.39 # seems good now 03.04.40 Quit ddaa ("Libre software, because it's not about free or open.") 03.05.01 # what build should I use for my 4g BW? 03.05.39 # T-can: I *think* you have to actually build it yourself right now. I could be wrong. 03.06.08 # * BHSPitLappy agrees 03.06.17 # damn, if I had known that, I would have not started this at 9:00 at night 03.06.18 # T-can: have you installed the bootloader? 03.06.21 # yep 03.06.27 # so there's no problem then really 03.06.36 # you're back at a state like you were before 03.06.44 # made sure apple and linux both still boot properly? 03.06.56 # There is a 4g grascale Ipod image at http://gdl.imeem.net/g/4fd8b78142f57cae95788383466f2716.jpg 03.07.11 # apple firmware boots good 03.07.15 # but displays weird 03.07.20 # mirrored image 03.07.23 # hahaha 03.07.29 # with a little bit of RB stuff on the left 03.07.33 # i wouldn't call that "good" 03.07.41 # Hrm 03.07.42 Quit JoeBorn ("open.neurostechnology.com") 03.07.43 # latest bootloader? 03.07.47 # yep 03.07.51 # positive? 03.07.55 # I thought that'd been fixed. If you downloaded a precompiled bootloader though, it *may* be out of date. 03.07.58 # fresh from cvs? 03.08.07 # not positive 03.08.33 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 03.08.44 # I can try to build you one 03.08.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 03.08.57 # got everything off there 03.09.00 # it all looks up todate 03.09.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.10.29 # I'm building a 4g gray now... 03.10.37 # jaebird: boot or rockbox? 03.10.44 # I'm building a 4g gray bootloader 03.10.51 # both... 03.10.56 # oh, carry on 03.11.00 # build died... 03.11.18 # hmm I've gotten this before, don't remember how i fixed it 03.11.29 # "out of memory!" 03.12.30 # so the bootloader on that page isnt good? 03.12.31 # What patches have you applied? 03.12.38 # BHSPitLappy, rather 03.12.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: not sure 03.12.45 # T-can: It may be out of date, possibly 03.12.47 # i''ll take em off 03.13.04 # BHSPitLappy: Doom will cause that unless you change your plugin buffer cap. 03.13.11 # looks like it was updated today 03.13.18 # i didn't 03.13.24 # (try doom) 03.13.51 # just built both bootloader and firmware...no issues on the build...installing 03.16.39 # jae, what did you use for rockbox build??? 03.17.01 # I used cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel 03.17.22 # which works great by the way...the contrast issue is fixed 03.17.36 # well there you go 03.17.53 # jaebird: do you have the ability to replace the file that's on the wiki 03.18.08 # that would be appreciated 03.18.13 # what file...? 03.18.41 # the working bootloader 03.18.59 # since the one T-can picked up is outdated 03.19.13 # no I have no permissions...but I can put it somewhere else 03.19.23 # If it's in the wiki, you don't need permissions 03.19.49 # what is the url? 03.19.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 03.20.16 # ah yes...please hold! 03.20.20 # haha 03.20.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: jae's the one with the file ;) 03.20.43 # whoops 03.20.54 # sorry, i misunderstood the point 03.21.20 Quit aegray (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.21.26 # Hehehe 03.21.28 # 'sokay 03.23.00 # where can i get rockbox.zip? 03.23.26 # possibly from jaebird, the current holder of the most recent build ;) 03.23.46 # DUH, lost my head for a second 03.24.05 # is there now called: bootloader-4ggray.bin 03.24.49 # you want the rockbox.zip too? sheesh :) 03.26.05 Part midgey34 03.27.25 # Ok, ya'll both files are there bootloader-4ggray.bin and rockbox-4ggray.zip 03.27.37 # thx 03.27.51 # uh oh, ipod updater cant find my ipod :( 03.28.02 # ? 03.28.38 # i was going to get original apple firmware back 03.28.44 # then just reinstall everything 03.29.06 # i downgraded sys but updater says "please connect ipod" 03.30.54 # I've found that if you get that, reformatting the iPod can fix it. 03.30.58 # should i go into disk mode? 03.31.06 # If you can't get it back any other way 03.31.08 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 03.31.11 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-1153f04a2640130c) 03.31.18 # ya, i dont think i can 03.31.21 # bye bye music :( 03.31.29 # i hope rockbox is worth it 03.31.38 # what> 03.32.04 # T-can: Well, I mean, ideally you should've saved your bootpartition.bin 03.32.09 # Which you can then just restore onto it. 03.32.23 # ya, i didnt 03.32.32 # but i do have a IPL backup i think 03.34.09 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa212.14.tellas.gr) 03.35.44 Join aegray [0] (n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com) 03.37.58 # so all the new versions of bootloader and rockbox.zip are on the wiki right? 03.38.33 # T-can: did you restore already? 03.38.36 # because that's just stupid. 03.38.44 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.38.57 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com) 03.39.28 # nope 03.39.50 # whats the alternative?? 03.40.55 Quit aegray_ (Client Quit) 03.40.56 # well, i guess i should atleast see if that old version of the bootloader was OK 03.45.11 # ROLO error: Checksum Error 03.47.03 # Why were you ROLOing? 03.47.15 # cause they taste good? 03.47.23 # Hahaha 03.47.33 # and still wont connect 03.47.37 # T-can: Rockbox is a filetree browser. That's actually the rockbox.ipod file. 03.47.41 # T-can: ... is it in diskmode? 03.47.47 # no 03.47.53 # connect to what? 03.48.01 # computer 03.48.09 # it has to be in diskmode to connect... 03.48.14 # as an iPL user, you should know that 03.48.30 # have you installed the good bootloader? 03.48.48 # no, i havent gotten a chance to 03.49.12 # well there's no reason to format anything... 03.49.38 # i havent yet 03.49.39 # do ipod_fw with the new loader and the same apple_os, and ipod-patcher it again 03.49.50 # and extract the zip to the root 03.50.02 # and put a linux nightly kernel in the root 03.50.12 # (named "linux.bin" 03.50.36 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 03.51.18 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 03.53.42 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 03.55.25 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (i=proxyuse@adsl-67-65-15-72.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 03.55.31 Part Paul_The_Nerd 04.00.15 # T-can: did you get it working? 04.02.11 # haha, far from it 04.03.58 # nothing difficult 04.04.29 # im gettin there . . 04.04.35 # lol mmk 04.05.53 # it doesnt seem to want to create the rockboot.bin file correctly 04.06.58 # are you using linux or windows? 04.07.07 # windows 04.07.19 # i think its because i already took out the apple_os.bin file 04.07.26 # darn... 04.07.29 # so i cant replace it with the new one 04.07.32 # ya, no kiddin 04.08.01 # damn, and I thought this was gunna take 20 minutes 04.08.26 # do you have a linux live cd? like ubuntu? 04.08.38 # no 04.09.00 # i think that i just want to try to get apple firmware back on there tonight and i can mess around with rock box over the weekend 04.09.01 # is it a regular ipod with nothing else (no ipl)? 04.09.06 # right 04.09.10 # i deleted IPL 04.09.27 # so there isn't an extra IPL partition on there anymore? 04.09.28 # it was regualr old apple firmware (with some minor string changes) 04.09.36 # correct 04.09.44 # and ipodpatcher is not working? 04.10.00 # the patcher is working 04.10.14 # ipod_fw is where i get caught up 04.10.40 # in linux I do this: ipod_fw -g 4g -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin ./bootloader/bootloader.bin 04.10.52 # thats pretty much what i do 04.10.54 Join fanopnaic [0] (i=fanopani@matryoshka.zoiah.net) 04.10.56 # where the bootloader is the thing you downloaded 04.11.09 # and i get a "fread failed: No error" 04.11.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 04.11.30 # this is before you even try to ram it into your pod? 04.11.33 # hello! just wanted to report that the latest build does not playback any files on iriver H120. the version from the day before works though. 04.11.43 # right right 04.11.56 # hmm...what version of windows? 04.12.00 # i think its because i already replaced apple_os.bin when i tried it first 04.12.05 # so it has nothing to replace 04.12.08 # XP home 04.12.19 # it is not supposed to replace apple_os.bin 04.12.37 # i thought thats what ipod_fw does 04.12.40 # it is supposed to combine the apple_os.bin and bootloader.bin into the new rockboot.bin 04.12.52 # gotcha 04.12.57 # the rockboot.bin is what you put onto the pod 04.13.06 # so that must mean apple_os.bin isnt on my ipod anymore 04.13.20 # because it does create a file, but the file has nothing in it 04.13.38 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-209.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.13.55 # is there anyway i can just get apple firmware back on? 04.14.04 # i think i am going to save rockbox efforts for the weekend 04.14.29 # did you try to put something on your ipod already? 04.14.41 # what do you mean? 04.15.06 # well...extracting the firmware from you ipod should leave your ipod intact 04.15.21 # unless you tried to 'upload' a messed up firmware already 04.15.50 # well, that old bootloader4g was supposedly not good 04.15.55 # thats what i created 04.15.59 # and thats what went onto my ipod 04.16.23 # do you have the original bootloader.bin that you extracted with: ipodpatcher -r N bootpartition.bin 04.17.18 # no 04.18.00 # do you have a gmail account? :) 04.18.32 # no, sorry 04.18.35 # how big is the file? 04.18.56 # well...the apple_os.bin is 3.3 mb 04.18.57 Join webguest62 [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 04.19.24 # it is combined with the bootloader.bin to create the combined ipod booter 04.19.24 Quit webguest62 (Client Quit) 04.19.57 # i really just want to get apple firmware back 04.20.24 # since i have never done it in windows...i'm not sure if the files are compatable, although I would assume so 04.20.25 # i can mess around with more over the weekend, i just want to be able to use my ipod at school tomorrow 04.21.05 # i think ill have to use a USB format tool 04.21.10 # if you have th apple_os.bin which is the thing that you ripped out of the original bootloadpod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin 04.21.10 # er.bin with: 04.21.30 # oops 04.21.41 # ya, im not sure if i have that apple.bin 04.21.58 # can you not get into usb disk mode so that it appears like a hdd? 04.22.16 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 04.22.20 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-209.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.23.04 # what does your ipod do if you boot it holding the "menu" down while booting? 04.23.07 # ya, i can 04.23.11 # ill check 04.23.45 # ya, it goes to the messup apple firmware 04.23.49 # *messed up 04.23.55 # everything is backwards 04.24.01 # neat 04.24.33 # do you have your music backed up? 04.24.57 # ya 04.25.11 # all is not lost, trust me...i used IPL for awhile and saw all kinda weird things. 04.25.20 # alright 04.25.22 # the real firmware is locked in flash 04.25.30 # so you think i should just format it?? 04.25.37 # the stuff we call firmware is actually on the disk itself 04.25.41 # ya 04.25.58 # it is probably recoverable without it, but if you need it quick and don't want to figure it out 04.26.08 # you can probably just do that...it is a hassle though 04.26.09 Quit imphasing (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.26.20 # next time don't lose any of your bin files 04.26.26 # they come in handy for times like this! 04.26.30 # hahahaha, lesson learned 04.26.43 # i was good with backing everything up on IPL too 04.26.46 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 04.26.51 # sweet though 04.26.57 # i guess i figured nothing would go wrong with this 04.26.59 # take a picture of it if you can :) 04.27.11 # of the backwards stuff? 04.27.38 # yeah...it would be nice to have when the ipod folks think their stuff is the best :) 04.27.51 # Steve Jobs...take that :) 04.27.57 # haha 04.29.13 # huh, i just did a quick format and remnants of rockbox are still on it 04.30.12 # and still cant connect to ipod updater 04.31.37 # what version of the ipod updater are you using? 04.31.44 # 1-10 04.32.30 # hmm, this is in disk mode correct? You can see it as a hdd? 04.32.41 # format has no affect, btw 04.32.54 # there is another partition that you don't see 04.33.04 # yes, i can see it in HDD 04.33.18 # i can still operate it, it just is all backwards 04.33.28 # and looks like it still has rockbox on it 04.33.40 # have you done an updater before with the same setup? 04.33.51 # yep 04.33.56 # lots 04.34.28 # now it just says "plug in an ipod to update it" 04.34.38 # but its still recognized as an HDD in my computer 04.34.48 # i'm not sure what to say at this point because the version i use is 3.23.05 updater 04.36.24 # you can fix it, you may need the apple_os.bin file though...and I have to go to bed now :( 04.37.09 # alright 04.37.12 # thanks for the help 04.37.13 # if you can deal with it for now, we can figure it out. btw i'm at gmail same name 04.37.27 # thanks 04.38.19 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 04.38.53 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 04.43.16 # is the 4g b+w rockbox,zip being compiled with the rest of the daily builds? 04.43.22 # or sdo we have to compile it ourselfs? 04.43.27 # you could check the page 04.43.36 # only colour and nano 04.43.49 # then the answer is no ;) 04.43.53 # i can make it for you if you'd like 04.44.00 # na, its ok 04.44.09 # you sure? pretty simple 04.44.15 # already checked it out and everything 04.44.23 # i insist. 04.44.39 # compiling. 04.44.41 # ye, na, im trying to get a friend to install it, but she cant do the build by herself so ill witt untill its on the web b4 getting her to install it 04.45.18 # give me 5 minutes :) 04.45.26 # na, dont worry 04.46.15 # you mean if i post it you won't use it?.. it's almost done 04.50.19 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.51.32 # wow 04.52.04 # New Misticriver? 04.53.21 # gah, its only slighty better than the last 1 :p 04.53.55 # slighty? 04.54.51 # ah.. :) 04.55.18 # gordon, someone just made the .bin and the .zip 04.55.35 # i had the previous version and it royally EFFED up my 4g BW 04.55.43 # haha ok 04.55.44 # cant due system restore or anything 04.55.57 # but im not sure if the new version is good or not 04.56.03 # the guy who made it was sjust in here 04.57.35 # what? 04.57.48 # hope it wasn't me.. because i posted a link to a 5g compile.. 04.58.04 # no no 04.58.15 # and... you didn't get it fixed? boot to disk mode 04.58.31 # i have 04.58.35 # its in disk mode right now 04.58.39 # ive formatted too 04.58.43 # so what's the prob? 04.58.46 # it will show up as an HDD 04.58.46 # need a 5g version? 04.58.49 # -5+4 04.58.59 # but when i do an updater 04.59.06 # that's fine, you just need to put a 4g version on it.. coming up in about.. 30 seconds 04.59.09 # it says "plug in ipod for update" 04.59.19 # no, ive tried with Jae's version 04.59.21 # you shouldn't have formatted it.. 04.59.30 # that's probably a problem.. 04.59.42 # i cant merge the bootloader4g and apple_os.bin files 04.59.53 # JdGordon, here's 4G compiled from few-hours-old source: http://s27.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3DLYBP0IAZ1FW0AD0ZNXS5NGBC 04.59.56 # the new bootloader.bin file isnt correctly mad 05.00.02 # i can make you one.. 05.00.07 # thanx 05.00.10 # but if the bootloader's already installed you shouldn't need to 05.01.12 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0D358.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.47 # where did you get the other bootloader.bin, T-can? 05.01.57 # the old one? 05.02.01 # the broken one 05.02.04 # it was on the site acouple of hours ago 05.02.19 # taken down? 05.02.21 # i installed it with that bootloader 05.02.22 # where at? 05.02.26 # yeah, Jae has a new one up 05.02.38 # s..o... why aren't you using that one? 05.04.25 # i tried 05.04.36 # "fread failure: No error" 05.04.41 # after i type it into command 05.04.47 # also broken? are you sure you're entering commands properly? i think i got that before.. 05.04.53 # something is wrong with my apple_os.bin i think 05.05.09 # delete anything you already have except for your bootloader from the ipod.. 05.05.16 # unless you can get that again. 05.05.28 Join CoasterMaster [0] (i=CoasterM@crown-6-73.resnet.ucsc.edu) 05.05.29 # delete everything and do the whole thing over again. that was my problem i believe. 05.05.54 # I've got an interesting problem with the iPod Nano port and I was wondering if anyone else had it. 05.06.07 # CoasterMaster, let's hear it.. 05.06.57 # If I plug the pod into my computer, it detects fine. When I copy MP3s over, they transfer as fast as they should (taking only a couple of seconds). If I copy Rockbox files (I'm loading the latest daily build on right now), it goes a lot slower. To transfer this build of Rockbox, it is taking about 10 minutes. 05.07.45 Quit Jungti1234 () 05.08.59 # CoasterMaster, i've got that too, not nearly ten minutes, but it takes considerably longer, i'm fairly sure due to the large number of small files to be copied (thus more need to be created), instead of just fewer larger files. 05.09.13 # no so much data transferring as creating new files 05.09.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.09.31 # hmmmm, makes sense....when this is finished, I'll try copying a folder of some random text files and see how that goes over 05.10.04 # also, make sure you're in the Apple OS disk mode, not the hardware disk mode 05.10.18 # yeah, even a ton of 0-byte one.. BHSPitLappy: um, why? 05.10.28 # I have the "Do Not Disconnect" screen on (from the apple firmware, I assume) 05.10.34 # ya, so now ipodpatcher cant even find my ipod 05.10.46 # T-can, nice.. hmm.. 05.10.53 # ya, no kiddin 05.11.00 # midkay: "um," because apple diskmode is muy muy faster? 05.11.05 # this is what i get for tryin rockbox . . . 05.11.11 # lol 05.11.12 # poor thing 05.11.13 # BHSPitLappy, ""um"", why is it muy muy faster? 05.11.33 # does the iPod Updater detect your ipod? 05.11.44 # midkay: """um""", it's safe to speculate that apple and hardware diskmode use USB 2.0 and 1.1, respectively 05.11.54 # try copying a long song in each mode 05.11.57 # and time them 05.12.05 # problem solved!!! 05.12.10 # BHSPitLappy, """"um"""", why would it be safe to assume that? 05.12.11 # downloaded the 11-17 updater 05.12.13 # works 05.12.18 # now to restore! 05.12.32 # midkay: I'm gonna kick your ass 05.12.44 # how do I get to the "hardware" disk mode as opposed to the "apple os" disk mode? 05.12.57 # oh, that's a nice reason. considering you can't come up with anything else. 05.13.02 # That, and why the hell is SimCity 4 so damn addicting? 05.13.06 # midkay: you're right, they're the same 05.13.23 # no, surely you are. 05.13.27 # nope 05.13.33 # you were right, i was wrong 05.13.40 # oh, thank you for clarifying. 05.13.50 # (whatever shuts this guy up...) 05.14.19 # thanks for making it clear that you were kidding :) i couldn't have picked up on that otherwise :) 05.14.57 # NOW BACK TO IPL!!! 05.15.02 # fucking rockbox 05.15.05 # fucking davechapman 05.15.13 # writing shitty .bins 05.15.20 # Bagder: ping 05.16.23 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h161n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 05.17.23 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.19.12 Quit T-can () 05.20.55 # pity nobody was here to just kickban that retard. 05.21.02 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 05.21.45 # BHSPitLappy, yeah, _he_ is such a _retard_. 05.23.59 # midkay: seems you were right....it was because there were a bunch of small files. I copied another random folder filled with a bunch of text files and it took awhile 05.24.20 # CoasterMaster, cool, thx for confirming 05.26.31 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: a new fragrance for men, by Calvin Klein") 05.28.40 Quit CoasterMaster () 05.50.56 Join Gursikh [0] (n=gursikh@adsl-68-90-40-93.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 05.53.33 Part Gursikh 05.55.01 Join Vertigo_tdl [0] (n=vertah@61.68.139.22) 06.17.09 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.24.06 # The rockbox.zip and bootloader bin for the 4g grayscale at: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation are on my ipod and work fine. 06.24.26 # They were uploaded 10 Feb 06.30.52 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 06.39.57 Join j [0] (n=j@c-24-130-207-92.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 06.42.25 # so, i plugged my girlfriend's cellphone charger into my jukebox studio 10, and the polarity was wrong and fried the charger circuit. anyone have this problem? 06.51.21 # j, i doubt anybody in here has that problem, but people have had it.. looking to replace it or something? 06.51.21 Quit Fuiou5 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.51.41 Join Furious_G [0] (n=none@dhcp165152.reynolds.fsu.edu) 06.51.58 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzz") 06.53.04 # i would like to fix the circuit if possible 06.54.14 # http://www.connactivity.com/~eaw/archos_apart/ 06.54.19 # here's instructions for a recorder 06.54.24 # i'd expect it to be rather similar for a studio 06.54.28 # midkay, thanks 06.54.38 # no problem 07.02.01 Quit Rob- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.03.01 # another update for doom is now on sourceforge 07.04.38 # kkurbjun, don't suppose it's on ipod 5g yet? ;) 07.05.44 # how is it? 07.06.35 # : ), no, Paul_The_Nerd has been helping me work on getting an ipod version compiling, it's close, but still having some troubles. 07.06.50 # kkurbjun, awesome :) 07.07.08 # blah, probably slow as hell on the videos anyways.. 07.07.30 # ah 07.07.39 # I don't know much about the ipods, so I can't say either way. 07.07.50 # * BHSPitLappy like iDoom ;) 07.07.55 # s/like/likes 07.08.01 # does idoom have sound right now? 07.08.04 # no 07.08.08 # ahh 07.08.27 # : ), well rockdoom finally has one up on it 07.08.41 # I can imagine it takes a toll on the speed 07.09.13 # not much actually, there's a bit of a difference, but I have a feeling that most people won't notice it 07.09.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.09.35 # I think it's as fast as the last version I compiled and released 07.10.32 # time for bed, night 07.10.42 # night kkurbjun 07.10.54 # nite nite 07.10.55 # and good work 07.11.03 # :D 07.17.37 Quit j (Remote closed the connection) 07.22.33 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.24.02 # hooray. clock main menu = basically, done. that was painless. 07.24.50 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.27.44 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-11-183.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.49.20 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.51.48 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 07.52.06 Part midgey34 07.53.21 # morning 07.53.34 # Hi Bg3r 07.53.53 # hey Bg3r 08.00.16 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 08.02.09 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.11.09 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.15.03 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 08.32.38 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.39.43 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-51-177.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 08.46.51 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-61.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.54.12 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.01.37 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 09.03.46 # LinusN morning :) 09.03.54 # moo 09.03.58 Part LinusN 09.04.00 # any news from iriver disassembling ? 09.04.03 # uh :) 09.04.06 # .... :) 09.04.17 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 09.04.19 # let 09.04.25 # moo again 09.04.29 # hooray! 09.04.52 # weeeeeeeeeeeee 09.04.55 # i was going to suggest repeatedly /msg'ing you.. luckily you came back.. otherwise you would have been bombarded :) 09.05.48 # any "news" from the iriver fw ? 09.05.53 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.06.54 # LinusN, so.. almost done with a major clock update (huge simplification... all operations are now based on a single main menu instead of keys and combos, also makes it easier to do iriver/ipod ports).. but i think i asked a long time ago: can i set the time from the plugin?.. if not, is it possible to add that to the API or something? 09.07.31 # midkay you should just add a func to the api ... 09.08.01 # if it isn't there already 09.08.24 # Bg3r, mostly just clarifying that it's not there and that it's alright to add it.. if it's alright, i shall :) 09.08.52 # just look for it in plugin.h ... 09.08.53 # midkay: rb->set_time(const struct tm *tm) 09.09.26 # whee.. now whatever the hell that means.. thanks, i'll dig around in plugin.c for specifics 09.09.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.10.26 # midkay: firmware/common/timefuncs.c contains the code 09.10.41 # oh, and here i was checking settings.c - thanks :) 09.10.57 # grep is your friend 09.11.04 # get aquainted 09.11.06 # *using cygwin now* :) 09.11.09 # but yeah. 09.11.20 # cygwin has grep 09.11.26 # as usual, LinusN said it before me 09.11.31 # yeah, i thought of that after i said it :) 09.11.45 # * LinusN goes to fill a cup with black goo 09.11.49 # was considering grep simply for linux in general.. 09.11.56 # ew, disgusting. 09.12.29 # midkay there was grep even in DOS's Borland C++ ... 09.12.49 # Bg3r, thanks, textpad has find in files as well as windows search, so.. i'm covered 300% :) 09.17.32 Quit quobl (Client Quit) 09.28.55 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 09.29.01 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.30.52 # does any1 here listen to spineshank? 09.33.30 # find . -name "*.[ch]" | xargs grep foo 09.36.23 Join Membrillo [0] (n=sam_kill@CPE-60-229-179-140.nsw.bigpond.net.au) 09.37.41 # what do people think of this so far? http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.jpg 09.38.04 # nice! 09.38.17 # haha nice 09.38.44 # hehe thanks 09.38.48 # http://jupiter.walagata.com/w/membrillo/MooWPS.zip if you have an H300 09.38.49 # too bad about the song being played 09.39.01 # aye. whats wrong with cat empire? 09.39.08 # the suck :D 09.39.11 # it should be cow empire 09.39.17 # :) 09.39.25 # they* 09.39.28 # B4gder: ...... *tumbleweed rolls* ..... 09.39.29 # :P 09.39.47 # night all 09.39.49 # ah well theyre not everyones style i guess 09.39.55 # this is just for B4gder :) 09.46.35 Quit Thus0 ("Leaving") 09.48.46 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 09.50.53 # * B4gder smacks paypal 09.51.35 # "You're a customer of ours, we can bother you as much as we want" 09.52.43 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.54.06 # I'm just glad they haven't started bothering me yet... 09.54.24 # they now even pester me with "reminders" 09.54.40 # and want me to *fax* papers to them 09.54.45 # !!! 09.54.59 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.55.19 # I replied and told them all faxes died in the 80s over here 09.55.22 # :-) 09.55.40 # not really in those words though 09.55.43 # hehe 09.56.40 # Anyone ever had strange blanking problems with linux?= 09.56.42 # but replying to mails from paypal is just sending them into a huge void of nothing 09.56.56 # dwihno: no 09.56.59 # dwihno: blanking? 09.57.16 # only the screen saver getting started while watching "barbapappa" ;-) 09.58.46 # Zagor: Really strange thing. Perhaps something BIOS-related... After 1 minute, the screen is darker and after a couple of seconds, it it switched off... 09.59.05 # Zagor: The setterm init stuff initialize blanking @ 15 min and screen off @ 60min... 09.59.18 # console or x? 09.59.19 # why does my H340 sometimes transfer stuff with around 8-10 mb/sec over usb, and sometimes only with 3 mb/sec? 3 mb/sec is more than usb 1.1, right? 09.59.43 # Lynx_: yes, usb1.1 is 11Mbit/s 09.59.52 # Zagor: Actually both... 09.59.54 # Lynx_: your motherboard maybe has 1.1 and 2.0 ports? 10.00.14 # Zagor: DPMS is set to kick in after 10 minutes 10.00.20 # or using an old hub? 10.00.36 # then i don't understand why there is such a clear speed difference, it's the same computer and port, and on different occasions i get the different speeds 10.00.37 # dwihno: which graphics card? 10.00.55 # petur: well, it's alsways faster than 1.1 10.01.04 # Lynx_: don't run 'cube' while transferring files ;-) 10.01.13 # heh 10.01.20 Quit Sando () 10.01.32 # Zagor: Nvidia GeForce440go 10.01.55 # Lynx_: same kind of files as well? 10.01.56 # Zagor: The more I think of it, I suspect BIOS screws something up. 10.02.11 # petur: yes, mp3 files 10.02.37 # Lynx_: so probably about the same size... 10.02.48 # petur: yes 10.07.34 # Zagor: I just found this entry in the BIOS (under power mgmt) "AC: Power Management: Enabled, Display time-out: 1 minute" 10.07.37 # Ha ha ha 10.07.43 # * dwihno laughs at his own stupidity :) 10.07.54 # haha 10.08.03 # :-) 10.23.52 # when im recording with an EXT.mic on my H320... if the peak meters aren't touching the end, I won't get any clipping except if the actual microphone is overflowing 10.24.47 # yes 10.25.34 Quit perl|bbq (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.29.23 # awesome 10.29.46 # recording a James Brown gig next friday and i want to get the best recording i can get 10.30.10 # How do you like the new recording gain setting? 10.30.46 # havent checked it out, will do now 10.31.38 # next week I'm going to add the cliplight patch of Mmmm: it's an option to turn on the backlight if clipping accours 10.32.04 # yeah it looks awesome 10.32.15 # what about automatic gain adjustment? is that in planning? 10.32.20 # possible even? 10.32.50 # that cliplight patch sounds really useful though 10.32.53 # not easy to do it right 10.33.21 # Mmmm already offers a build with it in the forums - the cliplight that is 10.33.40 # ah fair enough. so if clipping occurs you couldnt just lower gain by say one DB? 10.34.03 # something to think about :) 10.34.32 # no rush :) but that would be the biggest feature of recording to me if it was implemented 10.34.59 # no point doing it if its not done right though 10.35.22 # the problem is that one spike of (example) somebody hitting the mic could cause the gain to drop and ruin the recording 10.35.54 # and you obviously don't want gain to go up and down the whole time 10.36.00 # thats true 10.36.08 Join Jungti1234__ [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 10.39.51 # * petur wished iRiver had included a mic amp with compression in the input circuit 10.39.55 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.40.07 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.41.12 # in anglais? 10.41.44 # dynamic range compression 10.42.40 # when recording accoustic sets you can't boost the gain enough because when people start clapping hands you get awful clipping 10.43.04 # ah ok 10.43.31 # but the set is way more important than the sound of clapping, you can always edit out the clapping, need be 10.44.04 Quit Jungti1234 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.44.25 # * linuxstb spots a disgruntled customer in the irc logs... 10.44.34 # oh? 10.45.39 # Someone who failed to install Rockbox on his 4g. 10.45.57 # And then failed to restore the apple firmware 10.47.23 # jaebird: Are you around? 10.51.13 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 10.53.52 # linuxstb: he was blaming you even :) 10.54.31 # markun: we all do ;-) 10.55.08 # oooh yes 10.55.25 # * LinusN joins the blame chant 10.55.52 # Is rockbox on ipod remapping all of the SDRAM or only the first part? 10.56.12 # markun: All of it. 10.57.19 Join stamppot [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 10.57.44 # 2Ketheg 10.57.46 # I was hoping I only had to set 1 bit somewhere to map the SDRAM to 0, but I guess I have to use the TLB, right? 10.58.56 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-39-125.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.00.04 # I don't know. preglow did the remapping. 11.01.39 # preglow: didn't you just copy it from ipl without knowing what the code does? 11.01.45 # Zagor: You ever had problems getting vesa power off:ing working in console? 11.01.57 # Zagor: (power save) 11.02.12 # markun: well, i know rougly what it does now 11.02.28 # can you explain it to me? 11.02.29 # there's not tlb as such 11.02.33 # just two registers 11.02.40 # i'm not running console much, so ... no :-) 11.03.25 # Zagor: aww :( 11.03.31 # markun: i doubt it'll be applicable to gigabeat 11.03.38 # it's almost certainly a portalplayer thing 11.04.34 # btw, did you spot this http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/02/08/portalplayer_wireless_ipod_chip/ 11.05.02 # PP5022 with wlan and bluetooth coming up 11.05.17 # ugh... 11.05.25 # * preglow sings the driver coding blues 11.06.06 # it might be an indication about new ipod features 11.07.53 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 11.08.44 # grrr, windows 11.08.45 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 11.09.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.10.06 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-69-238.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.11.52 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.12.20 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 11.14.42 # too bad apple is hip-deep in the DRM swamp, so neither the bluetooth nor wifi will be as fun as it could 11.15.03 # ...enter rockobox ;) 11.15.22 # (rockobox?) 11.15.48 # rockobox is like the normal rockbox, only slightly cooler ;-) 11.15.59 # rockobox? 11.16.06 # Zagor: Are you volunteering to write bluetooth and wifi drivers for portalplayer's new chip? 11.16.14 # * linuxstb is impressed... 11.16.19 # :-) 11.16.20 # hehe 11.16.21 # the extra vowel mean anything? 11.16.30 # and the TCP stack will be interesting 11.16.35 # Membrillo: no, typo 11.16.39 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 11.19.05 Quit youngcereal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.21.54 Join youngcereal [0] (n=youngcer@p54B23FB8.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.22.04 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 11.24.45 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3068.gwdg.de) 11.24.46 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.36.22 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-30-83.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.41.54 Join PiZero [0] (n=534371af@labb.contactor.se) 11.45.26 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 11.46.23 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 11.50.34 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.50.43 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.58.45 # LinusN, can you take a look on that: http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1426407&group_id=44306&atid=439120 11.58.46 # ? 12.00.50 # Paprica: looks ok to me 12.01.08 # what do you think about commit it? 12.01.32 # you have my blessing 12.01.51 # so i can commit it? 12.01.55 # if it compiles on all platforms 12.02.07 # ok 12.02.11 # i'll check it 12.02.16 # good 12.02.32 # = 12.02.32 # =] 12.02.56 Part petur 12.10.42 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 12.14.11 Quit Jungti1234__ () 12.15.24 # so how does it work? do you make an image the length of the progress bar you want and it slowly reveals more of the image from left to right? 12.20.27 # yes 12.22.45 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.26.30 # Is anyone planning on implementing the viewports idea? 12.27.34 # well, not exactly planning... 12.28.04 # preglow: You mentioned an ipod playback bug the other night - something to do with seeking when you're near the end of a file. Have you been able to reproduce it? Have you tried doing the same on your iriver? 12.29.16 # nope 12.29.23 # viewports? 12.29.41 # can someone fix the fast forward bug? 12.29.58 # lcd_set_viewport(x,y,width,height) and then all drawing (including text) takes place inside that viewport (with 0,0 being translated to x,y) 12.30.50 # the mrgins patch is start for it right? 12.30.55 # margins* 12.30.59 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=Zoide777@aodio.Stanford.EDU) 12.31.20 # I'm not sure. Maybe we will want both margins and viewports. 12.31.33 # ok 12.31.43 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@195-112-44-166.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 12.32.03 # kkurbjun, the doom with the sound is realllllllllllly nice 12.32.43 # linuxstb: hey, I found out that the wavpack skipping problem has nothing to do with the encoder version... Regardless of whether they're encoded w/ version 4.1 or 4.3.1, files compressed normally play flawlessly, while files with high compression (-h flag) stutter 12.32.53 # linuxstb: implementing that, and adapting the rest of the rockbox code to use it requires some work 12.33.22 # fortunately, I also discovered that files compressed with the -x:6 option are almost as small as the -h ones, but they don't stutter in rockbox :) 12.33.23 # Zoide777: ipod? 12.33.27 # yes 12.33.32 # Zoide777: known issue 12.33.34 # LinusN: I know - that's why I was hoping there was a volunteer... 12.33.45 # wavpack needs optimising on ipods 12.34.03 # luckily, the wavpack coder has an ipod now... 12.34.08 # linuxstb: i actually started that work, but was interrupted 12.34.38 # the only downside is that encoding w/ -x:6 is *very* slow, but once you've encoded it the decoding is fine (they call it assymetric b/c the complexity of encoding & decoding can be so different) 12.35.35 # yes 12.35.48 # a bit weird that -h files should struggle so on ipod 12.36.04 # I tested a -h file on my h140, and it decoded with about 30%-40% boost. 12.36.26 # space savings? 12.37.52 # I say if you're willing to wait a good while to encode, then -x:6 is the best, since it's almost as small as -h but doesn't decode slowly like -h does 12.38.01 # The -h file was 12,049,023 bytes, and the normal was 12,185,320 12.38.20 # So negligible imo. 12.38.43 # for some files the difference between -h and no flag is bigger, though 12.38.51 # yeah 12.38.56 # we'll support them sooner or later, don't worry 12.40.01 # Zoide777: Can you remind me which ipod you have? 12.40.12 # Is there a way of accelerating the scroll wheel when browsing through the file list? It seems like right now it has a fixed speed that applies to both menus and the file list, correct? 12.40.16 # 4g grayscale 12.40.21 # god, how i don't look forward to codecs on the 3g and less devices 12.40.28 # it'll be a bloody nightmare 12.40.32 # Do you get any problems when running the Apple firmware? 12.40.41 # (like a corrupted display) 12.40.48 # the display is inverted, and there is a bar on the left 12.41.06 # iirc the "bar" is more like a gap where you can see the rockbox text behind 12.41.19 # i used to have that on nano before i fixed the driver 12.41.43 # So there's probably still bugs in the lcd code then. 12.41.44 # for some reason, though, the Apple display has no problems when the ipod is connected to the usb port 12.41.50 # (ie. for transferring files) 12.42.04 # That will be because it enters disk mode before running the Rockbox bootloader. 12.42.16 # The Rockbox bootloader is obviously doing something bad to the LCD. 12.43.08 # this might be a very stupid question, but is there a way to make rockbox sleep as opposed to completely shutting down and starting up every time? 12.43.44 # not for now 12.45.01 # it seems that Rockbox boots much more slowly with the most recent build than with the ones from a couple days ago or so 12.45.43 # Maybe it's your settings - are you using a complicated WPS with bitmaps? 12.46.23 # it's the one with the dancing happy faces... hehe 12.46.32 # the thing is that most of the other ones don't quite work 12.47.00 # sleep mode isn't important to me - Rockbox boots fast enough for it to just be a waste of power. And with auto-resume, it behaves like a sleep. 12.48.16 # Zoide777: Can you try changing your WPS back to the default, and seeing if that makes a difference to your boot speed? 12.50.02 Join DarthLappy [0] (n=DarthShr@202-161-21-45.dyn.iinet.net.au) 12.50.06 # I'll do that as soon as I can. For now I'm transferring some songs to my ipod and it's going pretty slow. I think it's not rockbox's fault though, since I'm converting some wavpacks from -h to -x6, and it slows down everything 12.52.03 # is there a way of adding custom fonts? I like using the unicode font for Chinese songs, etc. but it's a bit too big 12.52.33 # The fonts are converted from BDF files 12.52.55 # You can also convert true type fonts to BDF, but they usually don't look very good 12.53.02 # dapreview.net reckons October for the wifIpod, which means i'll have to play the waiting game AGAIN! 12.53.42 Quit DarthLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.53.54 # that fits me _very_ well 12.54.21 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 12.54.45 # markun: ok, thanks. I guess my real issue right now would be to reorganize or rename my songs, since currently the Artist - Title.mp3 format takes up a lot of space on screen. So far there is no database view (e.g. by tags) of the files in rockbox, right? 12.54.48 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 12.55.11 # yes, there is 12.55.15 # but it's a bit outdated 12.55.17 # Zoide777: The general solution is to organise by directory - i.e. Artist/Album/NN-file.wv 12.55.19 # a newer one is comming Real Soon Now 12.55.29 # !?!?! that would be awesome 12.55.31 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 12.56.28 # maybe you could piggyback off of ephpod or something like that 12.56.48 # what's that? 12.57.00 # :D 12.57.02 # lunch break 12.57.07 Nick ts|gone is now known as t0mas (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 12.57.12 # time to fix the remote builds 12.57.24 # it's a free program for windows and linux that lets you manage your ipod songs 12.57.38 # it uses the itunes database 12.57.45 # *shrug* 13.00.17 # Zoide777: Have you ever tried installing ipodlinux? 13.00.34 # Zoide777: we're using our own solution 13.00.47 # Zoide777: basically, the player will build the database for you 13.01.04 Join tucoz [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 13.01.11 # but ipodlinux doesn't support wavpack, right? 13.01.16 # no 13.01.23 # i bet he's thinking about the display 13.01.42 # I am. I can't see any differences in the Rockbox and IPL lcd drivers... 13.01.47 # Hi, sorry for being lazy. But, how do I create a patch where several new directories were added and images are included in those? 13.02.34 # diff -ruN [olddir] [newdir] perhaps 13.02.45 # Does that work with binary files? 13.02.54 # ah, I guess not 13.03.08 # patch and binary is no good pair 13.03.21 # I would just zip up the images, and create a patch for everything else. 13.03.34 # I agree 13.03.34 # How are wps's patched? I though we have to figure out some way to make additions to the manual 13.04.21 # Some convenient way for people to create patches, and include images. 13.04.36 # there is none, afaik 13.05.24 # hmm, what will happen with the binary files if I run cvs diff? Will it ignore binary files? 13.05.39 # linuxstb: the default wps does indeed boot faster. thanks. 13.07.16 # linuxstb: meanwhile it seems that something must be wrong with DancePuffDuo, since it took > 2 minutes to load (by groing to Browse Themes after booting with the default) 13.08.01 # anyway. Henrico has posted a new manual source tree on the tracker. I think the directory structure looks nice. That is the image directories. Some screenshots for the h1xx plugins are included as well. 13.08.31 # actually, iAmp is also taking forever to load 13.09.00 # Are you playing music at the same time? 13.09.09 # nope 13.09.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.18 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-34-191.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.11.21 # WPS loading is generally quite slow (due to the large number of tiny bitmaps), but I don't think anyone's complained that it takes > 2 minutes before. About 5 seconds is normal - less on some players. 13.12.02 # iamp loads pretty fast here 13.12.04 # couple of secs 13.12.08 # Maybe your disk is extremely fragmented. 13.12.21 # but I still wouldn't expect 2 minutes... 13.12.33 # fragmented drive shouldn't affect the bmp files 13.12.40 # they're not large enough to be fragmented 13.12.55 # true. I'm just scrambling for an explanation... 13.12.55 # but maybe scattered all over the place 13.12.57 # might of course be spread anywya, but yeah 13.13.22 # is the disk almost full? 13.15.01 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-40-250.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.16.01 # not really; i did run the windows xp defrag on the ipod today to try to make it faster 13.16.19 # I guess it's possible that some key files are fragmented all over the place, though 13.24.28 # linuxstb: there is a little problem when adding screenshots though. Let's say I add screenshots to manual/chapter5/images/h1xx/ss_solitaire.png and the directory contains lot's of other screenshots. It is quite unconvenient to use zip for this. Then we have to always remember all the screenshots that were added in this session. 13.25.00 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.25.52 # that is, to not include the older ones in the zip. 13.26.25 # http://www.daemonology.net/bsdiff/ perhaps? 13.26.44 Part PaulJ 13.26.58 # (never tried it, just googled around) 13.27.38 # checking it out 13.27.46 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.28.14 # there seem to exist many "binary diff" tools 13.29.14 # ok, good 13.29.51 # http://freshmeat.net/projects/bdiff/ http://jojodiff.sourceforge.net/ 13.29.57 # are two more 13.30.15 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 13.31.10 # it would be great if we found something included in standard linux-dist. However, I'll try these out. 13.31.26 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-60-117.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.31.37 # xdelta does binary diffs to 13.32.35 # I would hope that the people who are active on the manual can be given cvs write access - so there will be no need for diffs floating around. 13.33.21 # sure, but there will always be people who contribute that don't have cvs access 13.33.36 # or at least I hope so 13.33.58 # gotta go sleep, bye and thanks 13.34.01 Quit Zoide777 () 13.37.41 Join zhilik [0] (n=_if_you_@ppp83-237-251-87.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 13.40.24 # "Poor libfaad, nobody likes him/her." 13.40.25 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 13.40.37 # very nicely put by the stats engine 13.40.42 # :-) 13.41.37 # hehe 13.42.45 # xdelta only work on file-pairs. could we perhaps use tar to create a tarball of the two working directories and run xdelta on those two files? 13.42.50 # high 13.42.58 # Or do you think that is too cumbersome? 13.43.11 # tucoz: it probably is, unfortunately, i'd forgotten that. 13.43.29 Join ST [0] (i=STx@c211-30-164-158.blktn3.nsw.optusnet.com.au) 13.45.11 Join PaulJ_ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3068.gwdg.de) 13.46.00 Quit Membrillo () 13.46.20 # and bdiff only work with file pairs... 13.46.55 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.47.31 # This is possibly a stupid idea, but we could to store images in a text format, such as .xpm I've just done a test, and a 24-bit 220x176 bitmap (a photo) is 116214 bytes, but the .xpm is only 82350 bytes. 13.47.56 # cool 13.48.31 Quit Vertigo_tdl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.49.08 # The png version is 76664 bytes. 13.49.16 # (116214 was .bmp) 13.51.08 # linuxstb, that sounds like an idea worth thinking of 13.51.18 Join Vertigo_tdl [0] (n=vertah@61.68.136.47) 13.51.44 # can latex use xpms? 13.51.46 # i doubt it 13.52.09 # I'm a bit amazed by its efficiency, is that lossless? 13.52.24 # yes 13.52.31 # nice 13.53.00 # i think they only work that well for pictures with a low amount of colours 13.53.29 # My example bitmap was a photo - so it has a fair number of colours. 13.53.35 # aha... http://koala.ilog.fr/lehors/xpm.html 13.53.55 # kkurban: can i rename the rockbox.iriver to rockbox-doom.iriver and also move that doom.rock to the latest optimized build, because v0.6 hasnt been included in it yet, so rockdoom will still work with RBO right or do i have to do anything else? 13.54.49 # Ah, seems that somewhere my image was reduced to 256 colours. But that's still more than most Rockbox screenshots will have. 13.55.30 # kkurbjun sorry 13.55.36 # Bagder? 13.55.39 # are you around? 13.55.56 # * B4gder hides behind t0mas 13.56.08 # * t0mas turns around and points at his pm yesterday 13.56.17 # have some testing floder ready? 13.56.21 # *folder 13.56.35 # sure I have plenty! ;-) 13.56.58 # ok 13.57.03 # I have fixed the cvs update problem 13.57.09 # all servers update once 13.57.36 # and I have a build running now... using the master for building some targets too 13.57.43 # just to check 13.58.27 # linuxstb: shall we just stick to the zipping in the meantime? until we figure out a better solution I mean 13.58.47 # I can't think of any better solutions. 14.00.11 # Maybe someone could write some shell scripts which only zips up files modified after a certain time or something similar to help. 14.00.24 # Ok, what do you think of the directory structure as Henrico made? that is chapter1/images/h1xx chapter1/images/h300 etc 14.01.09 # That doesn't solve the problem of 95% of the images being the same for h300 and ipod color. 14.01.25 # ah, same resolution? hmm. 14.01.52 # (and lots of other pairs of targets, such as most of the Archos devices I would guess) 14.02.24 # But he was talking of a \simplatform macro as well. I think that groups platforms somehow. 14.02.39 # groups by resolution 14.03.04 # You could have two macros defining screenshot directories - one for generic screenshots, and one for target-specific screenshots. 14.03.13 Quit Rob2222_ () 14.03.49 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0D358.ipt.aol.com) 14.04.03 # Yes, hmm. linuxstb I got to go, do you have time to fill in that in the ManualHowto discussion? 14.04.11 # So when you reference a screenshot in the main .tex files, you will need to know if the screenshot is generic (i.e. same for all targets with that size/depth LCD) or different. 14.04.24 # Yes, I'll add something now. 14.04.33 # thanks. see you later 14.05.32 Quit tucoz ("CGI:IRC") 14.05.32 Quit PaulJ_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.07.00 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (i=proxyuse@adsl-67-65-15-72.dsl.austtx.swbell.net) 14.07.04 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3068.gwdg.de) 14.09.31 # anyone know if ida pro supports emac instructions? 14.12.49 Quit NicoFR (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.16.09 Quit Rob2222 () 14.18.46 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0D358.ipt.aol.com) 14.24.22 # markun: that line 4 looks odd 14.24.39 # of francais.lang 14.24.47 # I'll take a look at it 14.26.52 # B4gder: there is a UTF-8 marker at the beginning that vim didn't pick up. Is that what makes line 4 odd for you maybe? 14.27.00 # yes I think so 14.27.10 # I just noticed in the commit mail 14.27.18 # B4gder? 14.27.19 # Illegal division by zero at ./showbuilds.pl line 232. 14.27.43 # it doesn't know numbuilds 14.28.03 # but I can't find where it tries to get it from 14.28.15 # * B4gder is on a printk()ing venture 14.28.25 Quit youngcereal (Remote closed the connection) 14.28.44 # B4gder: should be fixed now 14.33.26 # confirmed 14.34.33 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 14.34.40 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 14.34.40 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 14.36.29 # t0mas: numbuilds = scalar(keys %alltypes); 14.36.41 # found that line 14.36.51 # any idea why it becomes 0 ? 14.36.54 # alltypes is a hash which all build "types" 14.37.18 # I would say it doesn't find any "Build Type" line 14.37.29 # hm... 14.37.46 # Build Type: iriver H100 - Normal 14.38.01 # Build Type: iriver H120 - Normal 14.38.06 # Build Type: iriver H300 - Normal 14.38.10 # Vi does find them... 14.38.15 # what's that first letter? 14.38.20 # space 14.38.25 # there you go 14.38.34 # /^Build Type: (.*)/ 14.38.41 Quit Seedy (Client Quit) 14.38.46 # ah, the original script does add spaces to the build log 14.38.46 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 14.38.50 # but not for those headers... 14.39.08 # How is the distributed building coming along? Do we have many volunteer servers? 14.39.10 # and there's the reason! ;-) 14.39.18 # B4gder: did you get my 4g gray image? 14.39.25 # * t0mas does one last test build 14.39.30 # everything should work now :) 14.39.39 # linuxstb: we focus on getting a system for it going first, then we'll chase down server owners 14.39.54 # jaebird: no... where? 14.40.01 Quit Rob2222 () 14.40.04 # B4gder: OK. Are you building your own system? 14.40.08 # yes 14.40.13 # http://gdl.imeem.net/g/4fd8b78142f57cae95788383466f2716.jpg 14.40.29 # thanks 14.40.31 # linuxstb: We're almost done with the system 14.40.34 # ready for testing... 14.40.43 # what compilers do you have on your server? 14.40.56 # jaebird: I read last night's IRC logs :) Do you have also problems with the Apple firmware when the Rockbox bootloader is installed? 14.41.07 # linuxstb: I've noticed that sometimes there is a horizontal line in the screen when Rockbox first boots up 14.41.36 # But it fixes itself? 14.41.45 # * B4gder goes for coffee break 14.42.04 # t0mas: Are you asking me? 14.42.08 # jup 14.42.22 # (I am building that distributed buildsystem) 14.42.26 # I have them all, but my "server" is just my workstation PC at home connected via ADSL. 14.42.41 # ok,I assume it's on 24/7 14.42.49 # Yes - but sometimes the ADSL isn't.... 14.42.53 # linuxstb: i don't think i have trouble with it...sometimes it is hard to get into it tho 14.42.56 # hm.. we're working on that 14.43.15 # linuxstb: mind helping in the test phase? 14.43.25 # Yes, I'm happy to help testing - but I don't think I'll be useful for production use. 14.44.03 # linuxstb: just tried it...the apple fw works fine. 14.44.11 # ok, I'll contact you in a few minutes by PM... 14.44.17 # just fixing the last few glitches :) 14.44.27 # About the screen...yes eventually the line slowly disappears 14.45.00 # it is almost like the lcd has a little memory? I notice that sometimes it is there when I shutdown 14.45.29 # IRC was a good ol time last night :) 14.45.47 # BTW: I put up my build on the IpodInstallation page 14.46.51 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p548628B3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.47.00 # B4gder: what is this distributed build thing about? 14.47.04 # linuxstb: (next question :)) do you have ccache installed? 14.47.16 # No - is it simply "apt-get ccache" ? 14.47.19 # jaebird: have you seen the daily build table? 14.47.25 # I mean apt-get install... 14.47.25 # linuxstb: I assume it is... 14.47.48 # Then the answer is yes - I now have ccache installed. 14.47.52 # yes 14.47.57 # * linuxstb loves Debian... 14.48.00 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-169.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.48.03 # It took over 32 minutes to build all of them 14.48.07 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 14.48.13 Join Seedy [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 14.48.20 # we now speeded that up to 17 minutes 14.48.22 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 14.48.32 # jaebird: Can you test the bootloader-4g.bin I put on the ipodinstallation page? 14.48.37 # and we're trying to distribute the build to multiple servers, to make it even faster 14.48.38 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-120-169.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.48.48 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0D358.ipt.aol.com) 14.48.50 # sure...please hold! 14.49.05 # what is the difference...improved? 14.49.11 # No, it's the same. 14.49.32 # There shouldn't be any differences between that one and current CVS. 14.50.21 # linuxstb: what happend to the files I put there? 14.50.43 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484CE70.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.51.10 # I moved them :) If there were problems with the 4g builds, I didn't want people installing it if they don't know what they are doing. 14.51.39 # As soon as someone tells me everything is OK, Bagder will make official bleeding edge/daily builds available from the usual place. 14.51.58 # ok...but the bootloader that I had put there was newer than that, and someone said that they had trouble with yours 14.52.21 # It was newer, but the relevant CVS code hadn't changed. 14.52.48 # ok. 14.55.04 # well I tested it and no problems...but if CVS hadn't changed then I was already running the same version for 12 hrs :) 14.55.36 # t0mas: what about the build table...is it the time it takes to build? 14.55.52 # it takes to long... 14.55.57 # it was 32 minutes 14.56.04 # we have now cut it down to 17-18 minutes 14.56.11 # so that is why we want to distribute the build? 14.56.16 # B4gder: I'm color blind and have a lot of trouble with this page: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison 14.56.18 # yes 14.56.23 # Could they be changed a little? 14.56.30 # The red and green 14.56.36 # well I have a linux box behind a static ip that can be used 14.56.51 # markun: colour blind, or dyschomatopsia? 14.56.57 # ok, I'm now going through the installing of 1 client with linuxstb 14.56.58 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 14.57.00 # up time is pretty good when ISP is good 14.57.05 # great 14.57.10 # you have the compilers we need? 14.57.37 # t0mas: get me setup too ;) 14.57.39 # I do on my main workstation, I haven't done the build on the server yet...but it wouldn't take too long ot setup. 14.57.51 # I have all the compilers, and I'm in a colo 14.57.56 # B4gder: This is more or less what I see :) http://vischeck.homeip.net/uploads/113957983023000/ 14.58.00 # lostlogic: super 14.58.23 # XavierGr: I guess the last one 14.58.24 # I'll write a doc on how to setup a compiler client 14.58.41 # k, link me to it 14.58.57 # jup, can you pm me your e-mail address? 14.59.03 # and jaebird too? 15.00.16 # jaebird: you can use normal pm... /msg t0mas hi 15.00.40 # markun there is a lage difference between the 2 15.00.45 # markun: how should we change it? 15.01.09 # A darker red would be nice 15.01.09 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.01.24 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 15.01.27 # Or darker green if that looks better to you 15.01.31 # alright...while in my TZ it is time to go to work. 15.01.37 # colour blindess is that you can't recognize colour at all (achromatopsia) 15.02.19 # in dyschromatopsia you can't recognise some relative colours (white-green, yellow) 15.02.38 # linuxstb: my ipod seems to be ready for a daily build...pretty stable 15.02.44 # yellow and green can be nasty either :o 15.02.58 # jaebird: is that with the bootloader-4g.bin I put on the site? 15.03.04 # yup 15.03.14 # So I wonder what that person's problem last night was.... 15.03.19 # like I said the little LCD line disappears eventually 15.03.24 # I have dyschromatopsia, and sometimes I get pretty confused on some colours. Though I don't have the problem in the page you are referring 15.03.28 # do NOT worry about that guy 15.03.34 # there were some other things he did 15.03.54 # I think it fubar'd the bootloader when he merged the two 15.04.01 # I'm not worried - but if one person can mess it up, others can. If we knew what mistakes he made, we could improve the instructions. 15.04.07 # he didn't seem to even have a working apple_os.bin 15.04.11 # XavierGr: Can you check which one is yours? http://www.vischeck.com/examples/ 15.04.17 # Yes, I read he was using ipodwizard to hack it. 15.04.31 # XavierGr: I have deuteranopia 15.04.39 # maybe a script that would do the commands automatically 15.04.42 # OK, I'll ask B4gder to add it to the daily builds. 15.04.54 # B4gder: Can you add the 4g grayscale to the daily builds? :) 15.05.01 # yessir! 15.05.08 # the first time I did it I accidently added the ripped bootloader.bin with the apple_os.bin 15.05.10 # markun yeah I can't see the number in the circel 15.05.14 # ^circle 15.05.18 # me neither 15.05.24 # then my partition overran! 15.05.44 # jaebird: Ideally we want a GUI installer. But a DOS batch file would be a useful interim measure, if possible. 15.05.45 # luckily I relized something was wrong and corrected before reboot 15.06.13 # witchcraft! 15.06.38 # don't know if it is said enough...thankyou everyone for rockbox on ipod 15.06.43 # cya 15.08.20 # markun: is this better? 15.09.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.11.03 # Zagor: yes, perfect! 15.11.07 # Thanks 15.11.46 # jaebird: You're welcome. I've also changed the structure of the IpodStatus page you started last night. We needed somewhere to list all the known problems. 15.12.39 # Zagor: The first time I saw the chart (maybe a year ago) I didn't even see the different colours. I only noticed it after looking at the wiki source :) 15.12.59 # haha 15.13.58 Quit ST (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.15.05 # linuxstb: but yeah, we agreed that not having more than on scroll message in the queue at any time is the best thing? 15.15.09 # one, yes 15.15.33 # markun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deuteranopia <- funky examples at the right of the page. 15.15.53 # the top one is hard for me too 15.16.16 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 15.16.17 # I can only recognise the last 15.16.32 # (If I watch very carefully) 15.16.43 # say hi to ipod4gray 15.17.15 # preglow: That worked well for me. But didn't amiconn have some alternative suggestions? 15.18.39 # ipod4gray or ipod4ggray? I've just been calling him/her ipod4g 15.19.13 # Did you add all three builds (boot/normal/sdl sim) ? 15.19.14 # linuxstb: i think he gave in 15.19.17 # OK :) 15.19.18 # XavierGr: I can see all except for the 3rd. Might look different on my CRT at home 15.19.20 # ipod4gray 15.19.24 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-77-210.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.19.30 # and I'll add normal and boot to the build table 15.19.47 Join Cassandra- [0] (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 15.19.50 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.19.55 # sim too you think? 15.20.11 # why are there still sim32 builds in the table? 15.21.35 # XavierGr i cant see the 2nd :) 15.22.17 # and the 3rd is not very clear, is it 44/49? 15.22.19 # B4gder: I'm not sure. As there are no developers with a 4g grayscale, it's possibly a good idea to build everything. 15.24.10 # haha sometimes I have trouble to recognise black from red (in great distance though) that means I have Protanomaly 15.24.38 # linuxstb: all boils down to the fact that the clickwheels don't have feedback of any kind, so you can't use it blindly 15.24.39 # there are better tests. Those with the circles 15.24.51 # hate those ;-p 15.25.36 # preglow: I would say commit your change - it will be easy to change again in the future if we find a better solution. 15.26.07 # But I think it's important for rockbox to stop responding as soon as you stop touching the clickwheel. 15.28.00 # linuxstb: ok, i'll just commit the quick queue_empty hack 15.29.15 Quit Vertigo_tdl ("Connection reset by hopkin green frog") 15.32.07 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 15.34.34 # linuxstb: pm me your email and I'll send you that m4a sample 15.34.38 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.37.44 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.37.46 Nick Cassandra- is now known as Cassandra (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 15.37.46 # linuxstb: of course, there's always the problem that it will react to one clickwheel event if rockbox became busy before one had registered, but yeah, i can't firx that easily 15.38.25 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.39.50 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.25 # I don't think that's a big problem compared to what's happening now. 15.42.54 # a yellow 4g build is up 15.43.36 # OK, I'll fix that. Can you add a link to the bleeding edge build at the bottom of the page? 15.43.47 # certainly 15.44.05 # IpodStatus has a showstopper bug for 4g gray? 15.44.20 # That needs removing. 15.46.08 # jaebird: If you're editing the page now, you can add a tick in the daily builds column for the 4g. 15.47.45 # done. 15.48.08 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 15.48.14 # does 3G work at all? 15.48.14 # now I must really go :) 15.48.25 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 15.50.51 # BHSPitLappy: I think Rockbox just about boots, but then crashes quite early. slimx hasn't been around for a while, so I don't know what progress he's made. 15.51.17 Part petur 15.51.26 # ah. 15.52.44 # B4gder: Thanks for adding the link. 15.52.51 # * B4gder bows 15.53.16 # boot and sim builds should appear on the next build(s) 15.53.45 # That's a very damaged-looking build table at the moment... 15.53.58 # hehe, yes 15.55.46 # sim32 is win32? 15.55.50 # yes 15.55.58 # i look forward to being rid of them 15.56.02 # yes 15.56.08 # how long are builds now? 15.56.17 # oooh 15.56.22 # if that estimate is correct, it's not bad 15.56.49 # you can see that the previous took 21 minutes 15.57.27 # Does the server have two CPUs? 15.57.30 # yes 15.57.31 # yes 15.57.36 # echo 15.57.48 # echo 15.57.50 # ;-P 15.58.02 # took you long enough! 16.01.53 # why do you keep the sim32 builds? I thought the reason to switch over to SDL was to get rid of X11 and w32 16.02.53 # XavierGr: you can still build the sdl sim on both win32 and linux 16.03.59 # yes, that's why I asked why win32 sims are build in the build table. 16.03.59 # fortunately, the code base should be virtually identical 16.04.19 # why not just build the SDL only (in the daily builds) 16.04.47 # i believe there are still quite a few differences 16.04.52 # and as I can see H300 w32 sim is already removed 16.05.01 # ah also I forgot: 16.05.15 # I execure rockboxui.exe --background 16.05.36 # while it will load the sim with the bmp the remote screen will not be displayed 16.18.31 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 16.25.14 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.25.38 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 16.28.49 # wavpack seems to work for me? 16.33.08 # and what is the format of the DSP_SET_SAMPLE_DEPTH thing again? i think i remeber it varying... 16.35.25 # preglow: Is that wavpack -h ? 16.35.27 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 16.36.36 # yeah, i think it's -h 16.36.58 # btw, i think it's time to do the 29 bit audio output transition 16.37.03 # think i'll start a bit' 16.37.30 # libmad uses that natively, so that's ok, flac and shorten are quick fixes 16.37.46 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.45.36 # what do you think on commit ipod color wps? 16.45.39 # http://plugbox.rockbox-lounge.de/wps/ipodcolor.bmp 16.49.42 # h300? 16.50.09 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.50.14 # h300/ipod photo 16.50.39 # i want it for nano too :// 16.50.42 # but it looks pretty nice 16.51.02 # where have you gotten the bitmaps? 16.51.04 # mm no problem to do it for the nano too 16.51.28 # from ipod photo 16.51.35 # copied from the firmware? 16.51.40 # no 16.51.47 # from very ugly photo 16.52.02 # =\ 16.52.06 # Bagder: what say you? 16.52.29 # Bagder: i guess apple doesn't have copyright of a photo taken of their gui? :> 16.52.38 # haha 16.52.39 # =] 16.56.05 Join kernel_sensei [0] (n=boris@81.56.253.161) 17.00.43 Part Paul_The_Nerd 17.00.57 Quit t0mas (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.01.04 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 17.04.48 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A4662F.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.09.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.10.49 Quit kernelsensei (Connection timed out) 17.10.54 Nick kernel_sensei is now known as kernelsensei (n=boris@81.56.253.161) 17.13.15 # can anyone help me - for some reason rock box wont play some ogg's i have. i have an iRiver h300 with the h300 optimized build on. it just says "Opening file" and then "No file" 17.13.24 # for some reason it sees the files but has problems playing them 17.13.38 # these are oggs encoded at 256kbps 17.16.40 # i gtg. if anyone knows can you msg me or highlight me here? 17.17.17 # steveb: do they have weird tags in them? I bet they do 17.17.27 # XavierGr didnt u provide a patch to quick-exit from menu? 17.18.17 # steveb: Can you also try with the latest official Rockbox build? 17.22.49 # steveb: can you host one for me? i'll take a look 17.24.59 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 17.31.30 Part LinusN 17.39.30 Quit Mark_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.00 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-62-226.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.48.49 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 17.48.56 Join tucoz [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 17.49.07 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa212.14.tellas.gr) 17.49.50 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc1-hem13-0-0-cust973.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 17.50.00 # linuxstb: what do you think about renaming the chapter-dirs to their content name instead of chapter name and let TeX do the numbering instead? 17.50.20 Quit PiZero ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.50.27 # I agree with that. I think calling them "chapter1" is just going to cause problems. 17.50.54 # Yes, it is not certain that chapter3 will always be chapter3 after all 17.51.01 Join fairway [0] (i=fairway@217-162-176-206.dclient.hispeed.ch) 17.51.03 # hi all 17.51.51 # i was just wondering 17.51.59 # but the skipping bug on the ipod seems to be fixed 17.53.06 # Yes - that was fixed a while ago. 17.53.17 # Well, a few days ago.... 17.54.04 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 17.54.24 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.54.32 # linuxstb: very cool 17.55.21 # i would say rockbox is fully usable now on the ipod 17.55.29 # it's just a matter of performance now 17.56.03 # one could use a seperate thread for the user interactions (menu scrollings etc) running on the 2nd cpu 17.58.29 # Battery status is fairly important. But yes, apart from that it's mainly performance. 17.58.57 # Battery life is also an issue - which is why I'm not in any rush to start using the second cpu. 17.59.26 # IMO, the aim should be to get Rockbox working comfortably on a single CPU. 17.59.51 # We could use the second CPU only when extra power is needed - e.g. playing games whilst listening to music, or maybe video decoding in the future. 18.02.28 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.02.46 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 18.02.47 # mm someone can fix the ff bug? 18.02.48 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.03.45 # when you p 18.03.51 # press pause there is a delay 18.04.04 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.55 # Paprica: What ff bug? 18.08.39 # fairway: I can't notice any delay... 18.10.33 # Bagder! we need you! ;) 18.10.33 Quit PaulJ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.11.27 # maybe Paprica is talking about the fact that the progressbar falls back to the original position for a split when you FF or RW 18.14.08 Join allix [0] (n=allix@host86-137-100-141.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) 18.15.11 # ive heard that iaudio port is on its way, i presume i can use one with the original firmware 18.15.26 # yeah that bug is slightly annoying 18.15.29 # i am deciding on which portable media player to buy 18.15.37 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-4-89.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.16.31 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 18.16.34 # i think iaudio support linux out-the-box 18.16.59 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 18.17.18 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.17.54 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD0D358.ipt.aol.com) 18.18.24 # imho if i were to get a new player it would be the ipod over the iaudio as there will be more rockbox developers supporting it. 18.18.42 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 18.19.15 # iriver > ipod 18.19.15 # its not a new one, its going to be my first one 18.20.02 # iaudio seems to support ogg and flac 18.20.03 # iriver seems to not have a future 18.20.15 # ok 18.20.25 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.20.25 # what about iaudio? 18.21.10 # iaudio is the new iriver :) 18.21.33 # oh 18.21.48 # because they have two diffrent sites, so there submerging 18.22.01 # :s 18.22.08 # ipod cannot play that many formats? 18.22.18 Join PaulJ [0] (n=PaulJ@vpn-3012.gwdg.de) 18.22.20 # with rockbox it plays everything 18.22.25 # nope, unless you put rockbox on 18.22.32 # anyway got to go, beers call 18.22.34 # flac,ogg, monkey? 18.22.37 # yep 18.22.39 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 18.22.45 # ok 18.22.46 # Not monkey's - and it probably never will. 18.22.56 Join elinenbe_ [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-226-206.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 18.23.08 # yes monkey is to cpu comsuming 18.23.11 # too 18.23.23 # it's only a format for archival purposes 18.23.28 # fairway only the best compression mode... 18.23.30 # afaik 18.23.47 # flac is decent 18.23.58 # it's what most people use 18.24.04 # if you want to play on portables 18.24.06 # lossless audio 18.24.09 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.24.10 Nick elinenbe_ is now known as elinenbe (n=elinenbe@207-237-226-206.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 18.24.45 # it's not just that 18.24.51 # are there any decent ipod colour skins yet? 18.24.54 # we're pretty serious when it comes to licensing 18.24.55 # ;-) 18.25.13 # and the monkey's audio man persists in being quite the license enthusiast 18.25.30 # .rockbox\themes\boxes-220x176c.cfg is not bad 18.25.30 # preglow: he won't permit you to use it? 18.25.34 # makes no sense 18.25.36 # There is an LGPL'd java implementation I think though. Someone could port that to C.... 18.25.39 # he permits us to use it 18.25.45 # but his license isn't compatible with gpl 18.26.14 # i don't care anyway, flac and wavpack covers the entire need for me 18.26.44 # I am just happy with flac and mp3 or ogg 18.26.49 # no other format format me 18.26.51 # for 18.27.27 # i was wondering actually if the flac decoder supports embedded cue sheets? 18.27.36 # i'll proberly get the ipod video, althogh watching something that small is stupid 18.27.53 # there is no audio yet on the ipod video 18.27.57 # if you want to run rockbox 18.27.58 # fairway: That's not really a feature of the decoder. It's trivial to read the cuesheet, but Rockbox doesn't support them. 18.28.31 # alright 18.28.36 # But people are interested in cuesheets, we're just waiting for someone to implement it. 18.28.56 # ah, so i should avoid ipod video 18.29.10 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-55-142.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.29.28 # right 18.29.35 # hmm 18.29.41 # although the screen is decent 18.29.54 # one could display a lot of information 18.30.13 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 18.30.18 # iaudio x5 , apparently supports flac and ogg and other video formats and is compaible with linux out-the-box 18.30.27 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.34 # thats one of my reasons for looking at it 18.31.29 # http://eng.iaudio.com/product/product_X5_feature.php 18.31.45 # Use Mac or Linux? No problem!! iAUDIO X5 is available to be used on Mac or Linux OS. 18.31.57 # of course the firmware is closed source 18.32.29 # anyone on here used one of them? 18.33.38 # I use M5 18.34.15 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-80-107.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.34.20 # with rockbox? 18.34.23 # (black&white screen and no photo/video abilities) 18.34.33 # no, original firmware 18.35.18 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 18.35.35 # i think thats the same as x5 without video/photo 18.35.53 # does it all work ? 18.36.13 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 18.36.55 # it works fine ; but the firmware is closed source 18.37.25 # i don't try flac, but ogg is ok 18.37.57 Quit Mmmm () 18.38.40 # rockbox really rocks 18.38.51 # you shouldnt rely on closed source ;) 18.39.12 # its not idea, but it works, i use nvdia closed source modules, there not as perfect either, which is odd, connsidering there know the instuctions of there video card 18.40.02 # fairway: sometimes closed source modules, software is the only way to get something working 18.40.21 # and sometimes a bad job at it 18.40.52 # excep I do not like the linux DE 18.40.55 # except 18.40.58 # so I use XP ;) 18.41.22 # linuxstb, i talking about this bug 18.41.23 # [19:11:30] maybe Paprica is talking about the fact that the progressbar falls back to the original position for a split when you FF or RW 18.41.34 # fairway: i read carefully on the wiki, and there is no runnable version of rockbox for iaudio 18.42.05 # nounours: yes I don't have an iaudio 18.42.15 # i think devs are working on iaudio support 18.42.16 # Paprica: Ah, OK. That's been around a _long_ time. 18.42.27 # i know 18.42.46 # maybe someone can fix it? 18.42.50 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.43.00 # it's why i'm here, i try to see which work is done on iaudio port, and if i can help 18.43.21 # Paprica: yes I noticed this too 18.43.31 # Paprica: it doesn't affect playback though 18.43.42 # Paprica: so it's not a high priority issue 18.43.55 # iaudio players can also be used for storing non-music stuff, can ipod do that 18.44.04 # allix: yes 18.44.18 # allix: with rockbox ipod behaves like a normal harddisk 18.44.52 # ok, can i view png files on it with rockbox? 18.45.00 # yes 18.45.08 # at least jpg I think 18.45.20 # I did try with jpg yet 18.45.25 # Make the clickwheel driver stop buffering events if Rockbox is too busy to handle them. <- This seems like a good idea for all targets. (If I know what I am talking about) 18.45.46 Part tucoz 18.45.50 # allix: Rockbox doesn't support PNG. The JPEG support is only greyscale at the moment (even for colour LCDs). 18.46.05 # But colour JPEG will come. 18.46.12 # Sometimes on H300 when someone scrolls too much, even after he lets off the button it will continue to scroll a bit further. 18.46.16 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 18.46.28 # linuxstb does your fix do something like that to prevent it? 18.46.41 # sorry I mean preglow 18.47.12 # yes 18.47.17 # it does just that, only for the clickwheel 18.47.24 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 18.47.44 # XavierGr: it MIGHT be a good idea for all targets, but you're going to see some heavy resistance on implementing it 18.47.51 # but it's very important for the clickwheel 18.48.04 # ok, grand, my mouse just died 18.48.08 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-56-182.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.48.49 # why see heavy resistance? You meant that some may not like it? 18.50.01 # YAY! I just got a mail from iriver. They will send my unit back, I will probably have it back on monday-tuesday!! :D 18.50.06 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.50.32 # XavierGr: did it go corrupt? 18.50.53 # XavierGr: One reason is blind users - you don't want key events to not always be registered. 18.52.25 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.52.29 # fairway: yes the USBOTG function was faulty right from the start 18.54.03 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 18.55.16 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd591.f.strato-dslnet.de) 18.55.32 Quit fairway () 19.00.10 # i like that the terminal windows in gnome shit themselves if you change a font 19.00.32 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 19.00.43 Quit Thus0 ("Leaving") 19.02.00 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 19.03.37 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.03.45 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.05.46 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-36-122.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.09.14 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.09.15 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 19.09.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.12.09 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh11509@217.165.99.160) 19.19.30 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@12.109.187.84) 19.19.57 Join Henrico [0] (n=henrico@cn-mss-cb01-1794.dial.kabelfoon.nl) 19.19.59 # * adiamas bows to Bagder 19.20.24 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.35.10 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.37.25 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 19.39.53 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 19.44.05 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@hornved.ii.uib.no) 19.45.41 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.46.42 # Henrico, what do you think of linuxstb idea. Where each platform is defined with two macros. I.e. \genericimg and \platform where genericimg is defined by the resolution-bitdepth (220x176x16) for instance.Platform is the same as before. 19.47.34 # I don't know much about platform differences, but I think it would make writing the manual more difficult. 19.48.11 # For each picture you must decide to use a generic or a specific picture. 19.48.26 # You are right about that. But, as he said, the ipodcolor and h300 have the same screenshots 19.48.36 # but if there is much overlap, then why not? 19.49.23 # Hmm, there will be lot's of directories under each chapter 19.49.54 # one dir for each resolution-bit-depth, and one dir for each target. I am not sure what is the best. 19.49.54 # yes, it is easier to just copy the h300 to the ipod 19.50.53 # It is definitley easier from the writing-point-of-view. 19.51.03 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.51.14 # maybe also for making screenshots. 19.51.25 # as you would only have to care about anything but the platform 19.51.44 # *only care about the platform 19.52.09 # if the screenshots are the same, put each screenshot in 2 directories. 19.52.35 Join Thus0_ [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 19.53.20 # I think that approach is the easiest to work with, but the downside is the massive redundancy. 19.54.08 # One thing that is certain though, is that the folders need to be renamed. 19.54.22 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 19.54.28 # then again, the screenshots i took were between 200 and 700 bytes 19.54.28 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 19.54.45 # you mean the chapter folders? 19.54.46 # i think i solved the FF/RW bug Paprica was speaking about 19.54.50 # Yes 19.55.01 # I added a comment to the wiki. 19.55.22 # your suggestion, with a fixed name for the main file. 19.55.28 # I read that. I think it looks good. 19.55.39 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@81-178-235-210.dsl.pipex.com) 19.56.01 # The coulor targets will have larger files for the screenshots though. 19.56.08 # NicoFR, how? 19.56.14 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-78-79.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.56.19 # that's right, but still small compared to a flac. 19.56.23 # Henrico: I disagree that one directory per target is more simple. I think it's more important for writers to be aware of what differences there are between the targets, so the text is appropriate. 19.56.29 # i just added one line at what seems the right place 19.56.32 # i'll make a patch 19.57.33 # For example, if the .tex file refers to \generic\screenshot.png, then writers know that that screen is the same everywhere. But if the .tex refers to \platform\screenshot.png, then there are differences that may need to be taken care of in the text. 19.57.41 # linuxstb_: but instead of 8 image directories, you get 12+ 19.58.08 Join Thus0__ [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 19.58.10 # Yes, but it will also be more logically organised - 12+ smaller directories instead of 8 larger directories. 19.58.50 # are the generic screenshots (filebrowser?) really the same across platforms? 19.59.25 # Yes - if the LCD size is the same, I would guess that about 90% of the screenshots will be the same. 19.59.51 # One part of me wants a image directory for each chapter, but the other part says that it will be a lot of directories 20.00.06 # Paprica: http://nicolas.pennequin.free.fr/ff-rw_bug.patch 20.00.31 # it seems to work well but given the simplicity i'm not sure it's the right thing to do... 20.00.41 # balh but the stop play fixed too? 20.00.47 # Also, Rockbox is supporting more and more targets, so the duplication will just get worse. 20.01.14 # Paprica: didn't understand... 20.01.20 # haha 20.01.25 # try to ff 20.01.32 # we could start with having only generic dirs, and if needed add platform dirs 20.01.36 # when you stop the ff 20.01.42 # and see how it turns out 20.01.47 # you see a speedy pause play 20.02.00 # ah yes 20.02.08 # i was thinking of trying to fix that too 20.02.18 # but it's probably a little more complicated ;) 20.02.30 # hehehe ;] 20.02.33 # try.. 20.03.00 # so we get at least three levels of pictures: generic, resolution specific and platform specific? 20.03.27 # no, only two. resolution-bitdepth and platform 20.03.40 # No, I'm just suggesting two. \generic will map to a resolution-specific directory. 20.04.16 # OK, any suggestions for the names for these generic directories? 20.04.50 # linuxstb, what do you think of getting_started/main.tex as the structure for the directories? 20.05.18 # Do you need subdirectories for each chapter? 20.05.30 # with images? 20.05.36 # Why not just one .tex file for each chapter, and a shared image directory? 20.05.55 # for the plugins it would be nice to have all files in one subdirectory. 20.06.16 # yes, one tex file for each chapter and the chapter folder name as getting_started for instance 20.06.34 # also larger chunks of platform specific documentation should go in separate files 20.07.30 Join Thus1 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.07.30 *** Alert Mode level 1 20.07.30 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0 20.07.30 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0_ 20.07.30 *** Alert Mode level 2 20.07.30 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0__ 20.07.30 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus1 20.07.30 *** Alert Mode level 3 20.08.21 # I am not sure, but if we need to add separate files for the different chapters then it's easier if they have their own subdirs 20.08.26 Quit Thus0 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.08.45 # In the rockbox source code, we try to avoid having code which is specific to platforms. We use macros such as #if HAVE_FM_TUNER or #if HAVE_RECORDING to distinguish between the capabilities of the hardware. Does the manual have a similar system? 20.09.51 Quit damaki_ (Connection timed out) 20.10.12 # I guess we could extend it to have something like that 20.10.24 # at the moment, we use the optional package. We distinguish between platforms. 20.11.50 Quit Nilisco (Connection timed out) 20.13.27 # But I am not sure that is really necessary. Like it says in the ManualHowto 20.13.41 Quit Thus0_ (No route to host) 20.14.09 # We do not need to generate two docs for the ondio, as very little differ from those (recording afaik) 20.17.31 *** Alert Mode OFF 20.18.04 Quit Thus0__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.19.19 # Paprica: https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429312&group_id=44306&atid=439120 20.21.53 # now fix the play pause bug 20.21.55 # =] 20.21.57 # lol 20.22.04 # have to go now... but maybe later 20.23.23 Quit NicoFR () 20.23.51 # tucoz, how should we include the screenshots? as-is, or in a figure environment? 20.24.05 # Like floats? 20.24.28 # you can tell LaTeX your preferences for a figure, like [h] for here 20.24.48 # and you can use a nice caption 20.25.13 # Yes, but we are not certain that the screenshot end up exactly where we want it in that case 20.25.16 Join Nilisco [0] (n=Nilisco@wrath.shellfx.net) 20.25.34 # tucoz: [!h] means "put it right here, and I mean it". other values can be used to get floating figures. 20.25.53 # e.g. a [t] figure will float to the top of the next page with room 20.25.56 # XavierGr, fixed that remote drawing with background issue in the SDL sim 20.26.54 # josh_, yes, but that is not really true. The [!h] will only tell latex to try as hard as it can to place it there, but we are not guaranteed that it ends up there. 20.27.13 # tucoz: what are you expecting? 20.27.19 # That is my experience after all. 20.27.26 # and if a screenshot cannot be put here in a figure, chances are neither can LaTeX without a figure. 20.27.27 # if there's not enough room left on the page for a figure, there's no way to make it fit... 20.27.36 # Henrico: huh? 20.28.04 # I think we should go for a figure environment 20.28.05 # I mean, if you just use includegraphics, it gets inlined. 20.28.28 # Henrico: yes, but if there's not enough room on the current page it won't squeeze to fit or anything... 20.28.45 # I'm pretty sure [!h] tries "hard enough" for most purposes. 20.28.50 Join Thus0_ [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.29.22 # we could always use an optional pagebreak for a final version of the manual 20.29.42 # optional as in dependent on the target 20.30.18 # Wonder if we should have the screenshot's equally sized for all targets 20.30.50 # But, that is another issue. I think the most important issue right now is the directory structure and image folder arrangement 20.31.23 # If you want to test the other directory structure, see the patch. 20.31.24 # Things like that is only code, which could easily change later on. 20.36.08 # I think that structure is good. 20.36.16 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 20.38.25 Join Shadowarrior13 [0] (n=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 20.38.27 # -_- 20.38.54 # Midkay.....where's my compiled rockbox :P 20.40.12 # Henrico, I got to go. I think that your dir-structure looks good, but I want some feedback from the old-boys before we change anything. 20.40.28 # agreed 20.41.26 # although it sounds like a good idea to be able to have the possibility to only include the recording section for recording targets, I am not sure we need to be that specific in a manual. 20.42.08 # if we want that, then we need a platform for every build target 20.43.09 # but we could define a macro like haverecording and make that map to the targets that have recording 20.43.50 # yes, but the recorderv2 and recorderfm are now one platform 20.44.01 # IMO, there should be manual for each build target - it just seems simpler. 20.44.31 # yes, then we can define macros for all relevant properties. 20.44.57 # Exactly. And when a new target comes along, you can just define a "config file" containing the properties of that target. 20.46.07 Quit Thus1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.46.15 # so, before anything else. 1) fix dir-structure 2) agree on the image-issue 20.46.57 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.47.34 # is there a color jpeg viewer (using ipod nano)? i just installed rockbox today so i probably haven't discovered all parts of the wiki yet but i haven't seen anything so far 20.48.02 # Mikachu: No. 20.48.07 # okay 20.48.07 # Just be happy it friggin works on yours -_- 20.48.11 # heh 20.48.22 # God damn 5G. 20.48.32 # Not a single alternate OS working. 20.48.36 # Shadowarrior13: It's your own fault for buying one :) 20.48.40 # XD 20.49.32 # Seriously, if something other than Rockbox or ipl is working, let me know. 20.50.42 # I believe Apple have a firmware running on it. 20.50.53 # ......bite me :P 20.51.08 # which is the 5g? 20.51.10 Quit Thus0_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.51.13 # The video. 20.51.15 # ah 20.53.56 # is there a font with japanese characters that has smaller chars than the unifont included in the dist? 20.54.50 # maybe i should search a bit first 20.56.22 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.56.40 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 20.57.56 # should it be possible to use the bdf files from xorg? 20.58.09 Quit Thus0 ("Leaving") 20.58.11 # it has kana in a separate file due to the doublewidth though 21.07.31 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-69-34.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.09.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.14.07 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 21.14.45 Quit Henrico ("[BX] Mr. T uses gtkBitchX. Shouldn't you, SUCKAH?") 21.21.48 # XavierGr: have you gotten a chance to try out the midi plugin? 21.22.59 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.10 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.30.05 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 21.35.04 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa212.14.tellas.gr) 21.35.36 # hrm 21.35.42 # suddenly a lot of my ogg files clip like mad 21.37.08 # on ipod or hxx0 or both? 21.38.49 # i noticed , amaroK plays ipod 21.39.24 # h1x0 21.39.50 # but i can't remember anything codec wise being changed lately 21.39.56 # apart from pcmbuf, but that can't do this 21.40.11 # yeah, if it was _skipping_ then the pcmbuf could be the cause 21.40.14 # but not clipping 21.42.38 Quit zhilik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.42.53 # perhaps i just haven't noticed before 21.43.01 # this album really, really needs replaygaining if that's the case 21.43.45 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 21.44.34 Join mozetti [0] (n=mozetti@p54A86AA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.45.11 Join Vertigo_tdl [0] (n=vertah@61.68.136.47) 21.49.37 # my, oh my, how i hate reading the tremor source code 21.49.47 # monty seems to hate whitespace and intenting with a passion 21.53.20 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.53.24 # haha, it is difficult reading. 21.54.13 # one-space indenting is just not funny 21.55.20 # could run it through astyle for reading... 21.56.45 # nice point 21.56.48 # nice point indeed 21.57.31 # astyle better than indent? 21.57.40 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-54-25.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.59.04 # astyle has K&R and other common C stylings builtin... 21.59.08 # never used indent 21.59.27 # good 21.59.31 # k&r is pretty close to what i like 21.59.49 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d085094.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.02.01 # know if it's possible to use tremor in non-callback mode? 22.02.13 # i'd like it if we could minimise the buffer copying 22.02.45 # I don't know, linuxstb was talking about wanting to user all codecs that way, but I never investigated 22.03.14 # but yes, it would be nice if we could ask the pcmbuf for a buffer, and have the codec write directly to that buffer 22.03.27 # yeah, i'd like it too 22.03.30 # but it might require some rewriting 22.03.32 # at least for musepack 22.03.45 # nod 22.05.36 # That's still a long-term plan of mine. But yes, some codec libraries are going to need kicking into shape to work that way. 22.06.21 # musepack is one 22.06.25 # but sooner or later i'm going to do it 22.06.54 # i'm just looking into tremor to see where to best do some additional shifting now 22.10.50 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-077-160.pools.arcor-ip.net) 22.13.09 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.21 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.15 Join EYE-WHY [0] (n=porkins4@pool-70-105-242-121.port.east.verizon.net) 22.14.24 Part EYE-WHY 22.16.04 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 22.19.21 # preglow: you think it's clipping in the decode?? 22.20.06 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 22.21.57 # lostlogic: no, that's pretty much impossible 22.22.14 # lostlogic: i want all the codecs to use 29 bits output precision, i'm just working a bit on that 22.23.09 # i've got most of the codecs figured out, but tremor i have no idea about 22.25.31 Quit Thus0 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.25.32 # preglow: ahh, nice... does that make them slower, or ... i don't understand audio. 22.25.33 Part allix ("Leaving") 22.25.35 # /win 8 22.25.36 # wtf. 22.26.13 # lostlogic: slower, no, on the contrary, the rest of the dsp path now don't need to wonder what the precision is 22.26.22 # lostlogic: wors case, in the codecs themselves, it just means an extra shift 22.26.28 # lostlogic: but i'm looking to eliminate that 22.26.39 # by encorporating the shift into the algorithms themselves 22.27.42 # ahh, gotcha 22.28.05 # what does tremor currently use? 22.28.22 # 24 bits + sign 22.28.28 # and what i want to use is 28 bits + sign 22.28.34 # which leaves three bits of headroom 22.28.39 # which should be enough 22.31.03 # so then the DSP knows that all samples incoming are 29bit signed and it's job has less branching and whatnot? 22.31.34 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 22.31.35 # well, yeah, shifts can be hardcoded, etc 22.31.41 # and we can maximise precision in all dsp algos 22.31.50 # since they know what format data they deal with 22.32.00 # the eq, for example, is wildly inaccurate if you feed it sixteen bit data 22.32.26 # you'll end up with eight bit effective data 22.32.34 # I really wish I had some understanding of how 16 bit or 24bit 'data' becomes music. some day... some day I will learn. 22.32.46 # haha 22.33.02 # well, it's bascially just discretisied sound wave 22.33.03 # heh, it's really simple, each sample represents a position of the speaker membrane at a given time 22.33.13 # where the values describe the amplitude of the wave at that point 22.33.31 Join perl|bbq [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.33.33 # preglow: hmm, 29bit internal precision becomes what when processed by eq etc? 22.34.00 # so seriously, the approximate amplitude of a wave at each of 44100 points per second is enough information to reconstruct music... 22.34.05 # i have a stupid question, when i build from cvs, how do i know which .rocks go in what dir on the music player? some should be in plugins and some are in rocks/ and so on 22.34.06 # craziness 22.34.12 # ShyK: assuming all 29 bits are valid data, you loose 7 bits, so you end up with 22 bits 22.34.28 # aha 22.34.31 # lostlogic: i think phones use about 8000 or so 22.34.38 # ShyK: more gain you need, more precision you'll loose 22.34.47 # Mikachu: oh yes, I know voice sources use much lower sample rates 22.34.53 # and with fixed point you have to assume you're at max gain all the time 22.35.34 # lostlogic: yes, that's enough 22.35.48 # lostlogic: basically, the sample rate just decides the highest frequency you want to reproduce 22.35.59 # hmm, so with a sample rate that is roughly double the highest frequency of sound that a human can perceive, transients within those frequencies are stil lrelatively reproduceable? 22.36.02 # lostlogic: and ~20khz is enough for human hearing, so they just selected something a bit above that 22.36.11 # you can only reproduce half the sample rate 22.36.16 # according to the nyquist theorem at least 22.36.28 # oops 22.36.28 # whee, learning! 22.36.58 # nyquist theorem assumes perfect reconstruction filters, which you never have, so you've got to go a bit higher 22.37.03 # 44.1khz is just barely enough 22.37.12 # but doesn't matter too much, since our hearing is really dodgy that high freq 22.37.19 # i can't bloody hear higher than 16khz anyway 22.37.28 # yeah, theoretically 22.37.32 # why do professional studios use 96khz then? 22.37.38 # just to be sure, basically 22.37.49 # haha ok 22.37.50 # and because higher sampling rates are good when you do digital processing 22.37.51 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=billybob@65.68.201.28) 22.37.55 # hmm, indeed 22.38.01 # many use much higher rates as well 22.38.02 Join mozetti_ [0] (n=mozetti@p54A84EA2.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.38.08 # you can playback the sound at half the speed and keep 44khz quality 22.38.18 # maybe not the main reason :) 22.38.28 # a main reason 22.38.33 # digital processing will, unless you're using really basic stuff, introduce frequencies that are higher than the nyquist frequency, and since those can't exist in a sampled signal, they're aliased down on other frequencies 22.38.44 # if you use a higher sample rate in the first place, there's less chance of aliasing 22.38.50 # i can't think of any sane reason to use high precision than to downsample 22.39.21 # you really get to learn this when you do sound synthesis, heh 22.39.59 # does the id3 reader expect 'proper' unicode tags? all my mp3s are v2.3 with utf-8 which is technically wrong but everything on linux seems to expect it... i tried them a bit and all multibyte data is displayed wrong 22.40.00 # yeah, I haven't really done any wave studies outside of transmission lines (power distribution) 22.40.08 # so that's just a yes/no question :) 22.41.13 # Mikachu: no idea, i don't think id3 specifiec character set 22.41.19 # it does, i checked it a while ago 22.41.23 # oh 22.41.36 # and it assumes what? 22.41.40 # iso8859? 22.41.51 # basically, id3v2.3 tags are allowed to be either latin1 (iso8859-1) or unicode (UTF16) 22.42.02 # but everything on linux (almost) uses utf8 anyway 22.42.03 # beh 22.42.14 # id3v2.4 allows utf-8 but nothing supports 2.4 22.42.14 # well, rockbox is trying to follow standards properly 22.42.17 # but i don't know what it does 22.42.19 # you tried it? 22.42.28 # and all my mp3s are 'wrong' 22.42.52 # they display wrong in rockbox? 22.42.57 # yeah 22.43.00 # well 22.43.11 # i guess i could try a correct one too 22.43.15 # unless using utf8 is a widespread windows practice as well, i think we'll stick with the spec 22.43.50 # i think it's only linux 22.44.10 # so no luck for me 22.44.36 # hm, i've set UTF-8 as my 'default codepage' i think 22.44.46 # i'm not too sure about how unicode works in rockbox yet 22.45.59 Join webguest76 [0] (n=51b3f7c0@labb.contactor.se) 22.46.23 # you'll run into people with files that have id3v2 tags with iso8859 that will expect your application to display the russian in it properly 22.46.37 # yeah but crap on them :) 22.47.04 # i'll see what happens if i force unicode_munge to treat everything as utf-8 22.48.16 # i hate id3 22.48.23 # people should use apev2, then commence shutting up 22.48.31 # can you put apev2 in mp3? 22.48.33 # but i realise it's not going to happen, heh 22.48.40 # Mikachu: sure 22.48.41 # Mikachu: sure, just don't expect wide support 22.48.49 # id3v2 is satan 22.48.50 # you're pretty much limited to using foobar 22.48.52 # preglow: I thought you were against apev2 for mp3 in rockbox.. 22.48.52 # and you're on linux 22.48.58 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.49.25 # is the id3 decoder separate from the mp3 codec file? 22.49.27 # markun: well, in combination with id3, i'm just not certain how to handle it 22.49.31 # markun: i'm not against how to handle it 22.49.37 # ehh 22.49.41 # markun: i'm not against having it in rockbox 22.49.47 # slightly confusing.. 22.49.51 # I think check for apev2 first, then id3 22.49.55 Ctcp Ignored 4 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.49.55 # * preglow notes "never write while thinking" 22.50.00 # lol 22.51.03 # markun: my position is basically, if you find apev2, use that 22.51.13 # markun: it's probably there because you put it there, and it's probably the better tag anyway 22.51.28 # problem is that it takes quite some seeking to find the apev2 tag 22.51.44 # using more battery 22.51.57 # LinusN: perhaps we should combine ape with id3v1 in settings 22.52.10 # perhaps 22.52.15 # most people will never touch that setting anyway 22.52.38 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12.210.82.91) 22.52.45 # okay, oggs work fine with utf8 tags 22.52.55 # Mikachu: sure, ogg uses utf8, always 22.53.00 # which made things simple for us 22.53.03 # id3 people aren't that clever 22.53.40 # is playback supposed to stop when you change theme? 22.53.44 # (the one i used didn't like unifont) 22.54.15 # i'm stupid 22.54.24 # first i hack the code to always use utf8, then i try a utf16 file 22.54.30 Quit mozetti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.54.53 # i don't like unifont myself 22.55.04 # too big and ugly 22.55.05 # well, i need to use it now when i check 22.55.56 # lostlogic: hah, my 29 bit output data fix even shaves an instruction off in musepack :-) 22.55.56 # hooray, it works with my 'broken' files now :) 22.56.04 # my first local change 22.56.26 # is there another font with japanese chars? 22.56.31 # not that i know of :/ 22.56.40 # you could make some 22.56.45 # preglow: coolness! 22.56.49 # there are some fonts in xorg, but they _only_ have japanese chars 22.56.53 # preglow: figure termor out yet? 22.56.56 # or only doublewidth at any rate 22.56.56 # tremor 22.57.17 # is it possible to combine the 6x13 font with the 12x13 doublewidth font into a single rockbox font? 22.57.18 # lostlogic: no... it's a mess 22.57.24 # even in theory 22.57.28 # Mikachu: we already have that.. 22.57.45 # preglow: :( 22.57.48 # Or not? 22.57.50 # markun: a combined 6x13 and 12x13 font with japanese? 22.57.56 # Hm, maybe I didn't commit it 22.58.06 # maybe you didn't 22.58.20 # what would it be called if you did? 22.58.27 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.58.42 # Mikachu: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/6+12x13.bdf 22.58.43 Join webguest76 [0] (n=51b3f7c0@labb.contactor.se) 22.58.44 # preglow: hmm, going to 29bit would lead to more bits of actual data in the output, with the lowest 4 that you add being most likely invalid / irrelevent information, right? 22.58.49 # markun: you're my hero 22.58.56 # lostlogic: yea 22.59.13 # lostlogic: but not in all codecs, both libmad and libmusepack will have all 28 bits relevant 22.59.18 # Mikachu: should work, but tell me if there are any problems 22.59.44 Quit webguest76 (Client Quit) 22.59.45 # *nod* is it a property of vorbis that no more than 24 bits ar erelevent or a property of Tremor? 23.00.22 # markun: convbdf -f -o 6+12x13.fnt 6+12x13.bdf is the correct command? 23.00.33 # lostlogic: tremor, i guess 23.00.47 # lostlogic: you can pretty much have as much precision as you want in codecs like that 23.00.55 # since the audio is resynthesized 23.00.57 # Mikachu: you don't even need the -o 6+12x13.fnt 23.00.59 # ahhh 23.01.08 # lostlogic: won't help you, though, since that's not where the quality loss is 23.01.27 # where is it? in the encoding process? 23.01.30 # yes 23.01.30 Join webguest76 [0] (n=51b3f7c0@labb.contactor.se) 23.01.45 Quit webguest76 (Client Quit) 23.01.50 # markun: okay, seems to work fine (only tried one file so far) 23.01.52 # you can resynthesize the waveform to be as high-res as you want, it won't matter since the waveform isn't the exact audio 23.02.09 # it's just an approximation with flaws you'll hear 23.02.44 # markun: thanks again :) 23.03.00 # right -- so vorbis (most codecs?) use smoothing algorithms as they resynthesize it any way? 23.03.11 # Mikachu: I can commit it later 23.03.15 # great 23.03.26 # this is working a lot better than ipl :) 23.03.35 # i haven't got doom to work in rockbox yet though ;) 23.04.38 # me neither 23.04.42 # lostlogic: any "smoothing" is intrinsic to whatever resynthesizing method is used 23.04.45 # i can't get past the loading screen 23.04.50 # there is no smoothing as a separate post process 23.04.59 # ok 23.05.30 # the resynthesizing works by reconstructing the original wave from mathematical functions (sines), which you can syntesize with as good a precision as you want 23.05.44 # that's where the "infinite" precision comes from 23.06.27 # ahhh, this is beginning to make more sense to me... 23.06.44 # as to why we spend so much IRAM storing SINCOS lookup tables 23.06.48 # aye 23.07.07 # does the anti-skip buffer do anything on the nano? 23.07.14 # the mdct is what does the resynthesizing 23.07.30 # the other major part of tremor is the spectrum reconstruction 23.07.50 # Mikachu: myeah, it shouldn't matter since the nano has no disk-spinup time 23.07.55 # Mikachu: we'll remove options like that as we go 23.07.57 # so it's kinda like regenerating the varios parts of many differnet sine waves to biuld the wave form, and then giving them loudness with the floor and residue parts or some such? 23.08.10 # i just thought it would be a tiny bit faster to not move the data twice 23.08.30 # lostlogic: the floor and residue is combined to generate the loudness function, yes 23.08.36 # are many of the devs swedish? 23.08.51 # Mikachu: a few of us are at least 23.08.53 # Mikachu: around five-six, i think 23.09.04 # okay (me too) 23.09.10 # preglow: thanks so much, all that audio decoding stuff that was gibberish 30m ago at least makes some sense now :):) 23.09.14 # just noticed the devcon is in sweden 23.09.16 # hehe, np 23.09.20 # Mikachu: http://daniel.haxx.se/m3.html 23.09.38 # ah 23.09.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.30 # scanned by god, uploaded by jesus 23.10.45 # i assume that image looks better in print :) 23.11.09 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.11.14 # it does 23.11.25 # but not a lot 23.11.38 # lil' help for the non-swedes? 23.11.43 # lol 23.11.49 # Bagder! 23.12.05 # 548 seconds for 28 targets 23.12.21 # against 1153 seconds for 31 targets on the main server 23.12.32 # haha, using 3 machines :-P 23.12.44 # but 1 on 512 kbit/s upload 23.12.45 # and we should be able to cut that even more 23.12.49 # so that slowed us down a lot 23.12.57 # oh and not using -J 23.13.03 # so we can go a lot faster I assume 23.13.12 # as we have 2 SMP machines in the 3 we have now 23.13.25 # I want it done in 2-3 minutes 23.13.29 # it would rock 23.13.31 # t0mas: 3 = rockbox.org, linuxstb and lostlogicx.com? 23.13.32 # yes, that'd be the nicest 23.13.50 # lostlogic: 3= linuxstb, lostlogic and me 23.13.50 # Bagder: the limiting factor on that will be transfer times 23.13.55 # and me = P3 1ghz 23.13.57 # yes 23.13.59 # test machine 23.14.05 # t0mas: I'm not SMP, just hyperthreading... 23.14.09 # oh ok 23.14.13 # read that as SMP :) 23.14.16 # my mistake 23.14.17 # ht doesn't help shit for make 23.14.17 # but a single build should be ~60 seconds max, so I give another 100 for the transfers ;-) 23.14.23 # i tried, got exactly the same build time 23.14.32 # Bagder: so we need one build machine per target? :-P 23.14.36 # yes! 23.14.38 # ;-) 23.14.39 # preglow: on my old workstation it was slower with HT on... 23.14.42 # hehe 23.14.45 # or very fast servers 23.14.50 # Bagder: get us some fast servers :P 23.14.57 # I'll setup lost.lostlogicx.com to help too :-P 23.15.09 # Bagder: so, how's the system work now? easy to extend for more build boxes? 23.15.11 # well, we have another SMP box here I can use 23.15.18 # t0mas: do you think you could make your script deal with a non-standard SSH port? lost.lostlogicx.com is behind a firewall with SSH on port 23 23.15.24 # jup, we can 23.15.31 # preglow: t0mas is working on the new system 23.15.35 Quit imphasing ("yarg..") 23.15.37 # excellent 23.15.46 # preglow: we can add as much servers as there are targets 23.15.48 # even a new cutting edge leet-ass server wouldn't be able to reach the times we can now 23.15.53 # if one server fails it just takes the next one 23.16.07 # so we can even add servers that aren't always on... 23.16.16 # t0mas: oooh, great 23.16.24 # but it's dangerous... because if they shut down during a build... we lose 1 target 23.16.30 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 23.16.39 # Bagder: seen my pm about the new scheduling idea? 23.16.44 # i haven't managed to delete a file from inside rockbox, it says PLAY to confirm, but pressing play just exits the thing and goes back to browsing files 23.16.47 # t0mas: why? can't you just cycle to another server? 23.16.48 # am i stupid? 23.16.54 # Mikachu: press select 23.17.05 # Mikachu: message is wrong for ipod/h1x0 23.17.05 # t0mas: no... 23.17.07 # and h3x0 23.17.08 # ah 23.17.18 # we're in need of a new i18n system 23.17.18 # or "navi" as the iriver people call it 23.17.24 # LinusN: they're insane 23.17.28 # preglow: should add that... if a build fails we now just indicate it as failed... not checking if it might have been a server shutdown 23.17.30 # hence can't be taken seriously 23.17.42 # lostlogic: just to add some interestingness :) http://www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/timeres.html 23.17.43 # t0mas: that might be a problem, yes 23.17.45 # that didn't seem to work either though, if select is the center white button 23.17.56 # Mikachu: yeah, it is 23.18.04 # preglow: but if a server is just done once in a few days... who cares... 23.18.17 # as long as it doesn't shut down exactly during a build... 23.18.29 # t0mas: what's what i'm talking about 23.18.48 # preglow: NEXT worked 23.19.18 # did it now 23.19.20 # how consistent 23.19.30 # but yeah, point is, it's PLAY on archoses 23.19.31 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 23.19.36 # and the string is the same for all targets... 23.20.07 Part mozetti_ 23.20.16 # okay 23.20.55 # lostlogic: also interesting www.personal.uni-jena.de/~pfk/mpp/dither.html 23.21.31 # does anyone know what the effects of (void) variable; are other then shutting up compiler warnings? specifically on pointers passed as arguements 23.21.59 # it's supposed to do nothing 23.22.10 # all i can think of is it could affect pointer arithmetic 23.22.59 # ok, good so it's an acceptable way to tell the compiler that I know it's unused? is there a more acceptable way? 23.23.16 # kkurbjun: ah, you're the doom guy 23.24.12 # hrm, SDL sim sound is broken badly 23.24.14 # kkurbjun: that's the way 23.24.21 # : ), yeah, I'm trying to clean up the compile with the default rockbox flags (-Wall) 23.24.26 # safetydan: works for me in linux 23.24.28 # great, thanks alot 23.24.43 # LinusN, pops and skips a lot under Linux for me 23.24.56 # seeking backwards crashes it too 23.26.07 # ah well, I'll look at it tomorrow when I'm not so bleary eyed 23.26.10 # preglow: what would ON+Play be for deleting a bookmark? 23.26.19 # Mikachu: no idea, never touched a bookmark 23.26.20 # ShyK: thanks 23.26.22 # okay 23.26.29 # ShyK: the time smearing plots are interesting 23.26.34 # i'll let you know then 23.26.56 # i wonder how he derived that filter 23.27.40 Quit imphasing (Remote closed the connection) 23.30.46 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 23.32.59 # any chance of adding an Off button somewhere in the menus? feels a bit silly to always leave it on for ten minutes 23.33.24 # keep on pressed 23.33.32 # ON, tha tis 23.33.49 # what is ON on an ipod? 23.34.14 # preglow: note Klemm's quote on the timeres page :) "high quality MPEG-4 AAC Encoder is much much more difficult to program and to tune than a MPEGplus encoder " 23.34.17 # lol 23.34.24 # Mimkachu, any button is on. 23.34.27 # Mikachu* 23.34.32 # Mikachu: ehh, play 23.34.35 # Mikachu: i meant play, i suck 23.34.37 # okay 23.34.39 # if Klemm says it's "much much harder" i wonder if a human can achieve that 23.34.39 # thanks :) 23.34.40 # ShyK: no shit 23.35.12 # preglow: oh i'm stupid, it's the same in apple :) 23.35.16 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 23.35.18 # Mikachu: 'tis 23.35.29 # note that by now, with 1.15 versions, encoding of tonal content is dramatically improved. 23.36.16 # Klemm has eliminated "theories" that subband coding can't be good for low bitrate 23.36.31 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 23.36.55 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 23.37.04 # ShyK: i haven't heard of any such theories 23.37.15 # ShyK: don't put too much weight into what you read at ha :) 23.37.27 # haha no shit 23.37.33 # subband coding is still used 23.37.50 # i've even seen recent suggestions for image coders using subband coding 23.37.56 # granted it's a bit different... 23.38.16 # musepack is the first and only codec that has proven the vast superiority of subband coding 23.38.42 # i wouldn't say superiority, more like competability :P 23.38.50 # whether it's superior is a pretty subjective thing 23.39.02 # yes. it's much better to work with 23.39.07 # but yeah 23.39.14 Quit adiamas ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 23.39.14 # being a subband codec, it's very light, at least 23.39.26 # and it does very well for a subband codec 23.39.33 # the only other ones i'm aware of are way heavier 23.39.49 # mpeg2 is probably the most efficient one apart from musepack 23.39.56 # preglow: hrm, it seems to be some weird combo like MENU+NEXT or so 23.39.57 # and musepack beats that pretty much into the ground 23.40.45 # too bad about that bitstream :PP 23.40.54 # Button combo for iPod? 23.41.03 # Shadowarrior13: for removing a bookmark 23.41.08 # the screen says ON+Play 23.41.12 # Hmmm 23.41.28 # Well, on would probably be action. 23.41.33 # i'm not sure which combo did it since there's a slight delay and i pressed everything :) 23.41.40 # it's not in that screen, it is in some others 23.41.47 # Heh 23.41.48 # iirc 23.41.51 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 23.41.59 Part safetydan ("Leaving") 23.42.15 # got stuck for a few seconds in the file browser with lots of queued events 23.43.16 # oh? 23.43.19 # what kind of events? 23.43.30 # keypresses i think 23.43.37 # it would open my root.m3u and say it couldn't open a few times 23.43.39 # right, never managed that with presses 23.43.44 # only with wheel 23.43.44 # preglow: yep, once we have that solved, we'll be content :) 23.43.47 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.44.07 # ShyK: yeah, it is the last remaining piece, which makes it all the much sadder that i can't see it happening in a long time 23.44.58 # ShyK: has any source code on the seeking hack been published? 23.45.10 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 23.47.18 # preglow: i think it's just included in the full source but not enabled of course 23.48.47 # in the libmpcdec source? 23.48.50 # i can't see it there 23.49.25 # no, mppdec in the full source 23.49.42 # right 23.49.57 # if i can find a way to detect the noise bursts, i might enable it 23.50.11 # it'll still be lousy, though, musepack has no seek table 23.50.49 # don't enable it, seriously. i've tested it extensively and bursts occur every once in a while, it's not even rare 23.51.20 # no way to avoid it too unfortunately 23.51.42 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.51.44 # nah, figured 23.52.23 Part fanopnaic 23.52.29 Quit imphasing ("Oh man.") 23.53.34 # regarding the bitstream, i hope that since the codec's popularity constantly rises, some people who are able to help with that will show up. people who actually have time and/or aren't restricted from working on it :) 23.53.36 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 23.54.48 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 23.54.51 # restricted? 23.55.11 # you should consider putting some info up on your site, though 23.55.20 # it isn't readily apparent that a new bitstream format is needed 23.55.30 # a simple page detaling what needs to be done, and what has already been done, etc 23.55.30 # yes. you'd be surprised how much it is common practice in multimedia related companies to restrict their workers from working on other projects 23.55.51 # i hate people 23.55.53 # they suck 23.56.06 # well... 52% of the people are ok if they suck... 23.56.19 # 23.56.35 # hahaha 23.56.38 # And 80% of all statistics are made up >.> 23.56.51 # Shadowarrior13: and 48% of the people are male 23.57.55 # >.> 23.58.04 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 23.58.38 # * preglow wonders what output format ac3 uses