--- Log for 11.02.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 27 days and 17 hours ago 00.02.13 Join PiZero [0] (n=534371af@labb.contactor.se) 00.02.53 # where in the code is the color scheme defined? approximately 00.03.53 # firmware/export/lcd.h 00.04.17 # linuxstb_: you don't know anything about the liba52 precision? 00.04.27 # thanks 00.04.55 Join vertah [0] (n=vertah@61.68.132.161) 00.05.44 # preglow: No, sorry. 00.07.14 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484CE70.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.11.26 Quit Vertigo_tdl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.13.47 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 00.14.27 Quit vertah ("Connection reset by hopkin green frog") 00.15.57 Join Vertigo_tdl [0] (n=vertah@61.68.132.161) 00.17.55 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 00.22.12 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 00.22.53 Quit Vertigo_tdl ("Connection reset by hopkin green frog") 00.23.18 Join webguest72 [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 00.26.37 Nick colin_sleep is now known as colin_ (n=colin@hutchtel-69-71-32-8.hutchtel.net) 00.28.46 Join Vertigo_tdl [0] (n=vertah@61.68.132.161) 00.30.23 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.34.53 Join tucoz [0] (n=50ca648c@labb.contactor.se) 00.36.32 # why is the 4g gray bleeding edge link this: http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-ipod5gray/rockbox.zip 00.38.03 # Probably a typo 00.38.07 # If you replace the 5 with a 4, it works. 00.38.39 # I figured as much, just letting people know :) 00.44.56 Quit Matze41 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 00.45.56 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.46.18 Quit Thus0 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.47.09 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 00.47.09 # I fixed, thanks 00.48.11 # I'm glad you changed your name...searching for 4g was hard :) 00.48.23 # -->B4gder 00.48.25 # hehe 00.48.40 # I use that from work and this from home 00.49.32 # I just built the 4g gray simulator...dude, that is cool 00.49.55 # I was wondering how linuxstb was able to modify so efficiently without having the hardware 00.50.39 # is the id3 database view supposed to be working on the latest 4g grayscale build? 00.51.28 # not sure...don't have the latest, just got home...and not sure what the id3 db is..hehe 00.51.32 # Zoide777: You have to use an external program to make the id3 database first. 00.51.53 # I don't know though if it's working on iPods at all, honestly. I haven't tried 00.51.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: like which? 00.52.00 # ah ok 00.52.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagDatabase 00.52.12 # Instructions are here, if you'd like to try 00.52.15 # thanks 00.52.35 # Use the JAVA version if you can, btw. It's more reliable. 00.52.52 Quit Shadowarrior13 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.57.13 # I'm sure not a lot of people are around, but would anybody object if at some point in the next 48 hours or so, I rebuild the WPS Gallery organization by screen dimensions, and separated it into individual pages (per screen type) so that dialup users have less hassle? Also, is there any preferred way for WPS posting? With bitmap containing WPSes, it seems Preview image for main, and remote, and a .zip containing all applicable fil 00.57.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: sounds like a great plan! 00.58.38 Quit ender` (" Just because I have a short attention span doesn't mean I") 01.00.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: Sounds good to me. I don't envy that task though. 01.00.52 # I'm in a point in my life where a very dull, very repetitive task would actually help me a lot. So it seems like just the job. :) 01.01.03 # BeanJuice is a sure nominee for Rockbox Fanboy of the Week :-) 01.01.11 # yeah 01.01.30 # He was pretty vocal, wasn't he. 01.01.48 # :-) 01.01.52 # I'm glad you offered him his money back, LinusN 01.01.59 # :-) 01.02.21 # It's important that customers know that if they aren't satisfied, you're willing to accommodate them like that. 01.02.38 # yes, that's what customer care is all about 01.02.47 # fits our business model 01.02.48 # I would like to fix the chapter directories in the manual, but I want your blessing to do so. That is, rename the directories to getting_started/main.tex from chapter1/getting_started.tex 01.03.01 # Maybe he made a donation and will be forwarding you his paypal details.... 01.03.15 # i'll gladly refund him 01.03.23 # hehe 01.03.28 # :) 01.03.44 # tucoz: I think that's a good idea 01.03.55 # getting stuck in those chapter numbers can't be good 01.04.24 # i support your customer service method. you know, Nero once offered a free copy of their AAC encoder to people if they perform some tests for them. i came up and said "maybe we should do the same with MPC?" and then remembered "oh wait it's BSD". 01.04.44 # :-) 01.04.48 # Bagder: good. I'll got some cvs reading to to then :) 01.05.06 # tucoz: unfortunately there's no rename in CVS, just add new, delete old 01.05.39 # I know. That's why I need to read... 01.09.45 Quit imphasing (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.54 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.10.53 # woah, there are some jaw-dropping 24bit wps's on misticriver 01.11.12 # yeah, jaw-dropping and cpu-sucking :-) 01.11.23 # oh 01.11.25 # yeah 01.11.48 # Hehehe 01.12.11 # * Paul_The_Nerd still uses a simplified Rockbox_Default. 01.12.45 # on what model? 01.13.10 # because rockbox default only used half of my ihp140 screen 01.13.13 # i mostly use the default because it gets reset everytime i develop on it 01.13.22 # fair enough 01.13.44 # one day in a distant future, we should improve the default ;-) 01.13.52 # i mostly use boxes 01.14.01 # pill: H120 and iPod Nano both. I even removed the peakmeters on both of 'em. Though on Nano I have a background image. 01.14.02 # i like marquee 01.14.13 # i'd like someone to design some nice, graphical default wps'es 01.14.29 # with a nice Rockbox theme 01.14.45 # using the rb logo etc 01.14.53 # LinusN: Have you looked at Boxes? 01.15.03 # boxes is cool 01.15.25 # boxes is nice, but i find it a little too eye-straining 01.15.29 # yeah boxes is nice 01.15.36 # but yeah 01.15.58 # i agree with linus 01.16.01 # i'm getting old, u know 01.16.01 # not for me ;p 01.16.37 # Out of curiosity, was there something about the Scroll Margins patch that kept it out of consideration for CVS, or has it just not really been looked at yet? 01.16.49 # It seems the sort of thing that'd make a big different in WPS design 01.17.06 # And I think the default rockbox-wps should be something that work well on all targets. (except colour versions for colour targets) 01.17.15 # is hasn't been committed officially yet? 01.17.15 # I want us to take the scrolling/positioning/font approach with viewports 01.17.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: not really, except that it's kind of a half-solution 01.17.50 # I *really* like the viewport idea as I've seen it described. 01.17.53 # defining "boxes" on the screen that then also control the scrolling 01.18.04 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 01.19.03 # Does anyone think there is need for both margins and viewports? i.e. margins within the current viewport? (I can't) 01.19.13 # no, I don't think so 01.19.22 # Yeah, once you have viewports margins are kinda moot 01.19.25 # useless 01.19.27 # rather. 01.20.04 # What ever happened to the idea of defining a viewport for the menu too? 01.20.20 # Is that still around? 01.20.53 # We need someone to implement viewports first... But I think that would be nice, especially for the larger LCDs. 01.21.17 # I think the menu should pop up in a splash-style box 01.21.21 # yes, the first step is to add viewports witl clipping to the lcd driver 01.21.29 # Bagder: yup 01.22.55 # and hopefully to have the graphics be run by the 2nd cpu? (scrolling through tiles while listening to a song makes the sound skip, etc.) 01.22.56 # I kind a like the menu being its own screen, rather than a splash. It's nice being able to give it a separate backdrop. I was thinking about making the text white, and the background blue with a white border, 16-bit final fantasy text window styled, once the ability was finally in. Just, as an idea. 01.24.28 # true, backdrops do make a difference 01.25.10 # And with that, I'd just need to set the viewport about 5 pixels in from each edge of the screen. Though, menu-in-splash would be kinda cool. 01.31.29 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 01.34.14 # Has anyone thought about how support for multiple fonts could be added? 01.34.57 # several ideas have bounced around 01.35.06 # but I don't think there's any concensus 01.36.32 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 01.36.39 # What's the problem for multiple fonts? 01.44.17 # I was just wondering how it would work from a user's point of view - i.e. how customisable would we want to make Rockbox's use of fonts? 01.45.13 # what do you mean, exactly? 01.45.37 # That's my question - what do people mean by "multiple font support" ? 01.45.59 # Generally, the ability to set font on a per-line (or I suppose per-viewport) basis. 01.46.16 # i suppose 01.46.21 # or even text formatting 01.46.51 # like a large font for the song title, smaller ones for artist etc 01.47.00 # (my guess) 01.47.07 # Yeah, but that's still just per-line font assignments 01.47.17 # i know 01.48.06 # The WPS is the easy part - we can just allow (for example) 2 or 3 different fonts to be used in a WPS, and Rockbox would need to keep them all in memory. I was thinking more about the rest of Rockbox. 01.48.24 # Well, it seems that the rest of rockbox should just use whichever font you browse fonts to 01.49.21 # The WPS can override that one within itself, but in the menus it's back to whichever one font you've picked. It seems like there's not much room for more than one font within the menuing system. 01.50.28 # Then, much like backdrops, if there isn't a font set in the WPS, it uses your global font. 01.51.01 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 01.51.06 # linuxstb: if I have cvs remove and cvs add a few files, do I need to tell cvs what files I want to commit? like cvs commit -m "message" file1 file2 file3? Or are those scheduled and I only need to cvs commit... 01.51.23 # darn 01.52.07 # It's OK - I just moved computers.... 01.52.13 # :) 01.52.48 # When you type "cvs commit" without any files, then cvs will commit all the files in the current directory (and subdirectories). 01.53.03 # Ok, all that I have changed right? 01.53.20 # Yes - any files that haven't changed will just be ignored. 01.54.06 # Ok, I'll try this then. Hopefully I haven't forgotten anything. The manual builds though. 01.58.37 Quit PiZero ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.02.24 # linuxstb: do you know why the chapters didn't get removed in this commit? 02.03.12 # did you 'cvs del' the old files? 02.03.27 # no, I did cvs remove 02.03.43 # I noticed there's a database wiki from 2005 and a database v2 wiki that's from 2006. But the files from the new one are offline. what happened? 02.04.41 # tucoz: Did cvs remove give you any messages? 02.04.49 # yes, scheduling etc. 02.05.09 # no error messages 02.05.56 # Maybe you need to explicity commit those files - i.e. cvs remove file1 file2 file3 02.06.04 # Also, I don't think cvs lets you delete directories. 02.06.24 # No, empty dirs get deleted by the -P option I think 02.08.51 # ok, so I just cvs remove chapter1/... chapter2/... etc followed by cvs commit? 02.08.53 Quit imphasing (Remote closed the connection) 02.09.45 Quit Zoide777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.11.35 # tucoz: Yes. You also need to delete those files from your local directory - or tell CVS to do it by typing "cvs remove -f chapter1/... " 02.14.27 # I removed the files. In fact, I couldn't run cvs remove if the files were there. 02.15.46 # grrr 02.16.04 # I wonder why it doesn't work 02.17.21 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 02.18.03 Part LinusN 02.18.30 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 02.18.33 # I see, the directories are empty 02.21.15 # Have you done cvs commit? 02.21.20 # yes 02.21.25 # It works now 02.21.48 # Yes - I've just done a cvs update, and the chapter directories have gone. 02.21.58 # Apart from chapter5... 02.22.01 # The problem was that the directories show up if I do cvs co, but they are empty and then removed by cvs up -dP 02.22.08 # yes, I'll do that now 02.22.38 # Yes, there's nothing you can do about that - directories remain forever. 02.22.45 # hehe 02.23.14 Part PaulJ 02.26.26 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.30.38 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 02.44.26 Quit tucoz ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.47.09 Quit Zoide777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.53.10 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.03.08 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 03.03.30 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 03.03.32 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 03.04.31 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!") 03.09.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.11.59 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@vp089013.reshsg.uci.edu) 03.35.51 Join dsh [0] (n=OPP@c-24-12-189-55.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.35.53 # hello 03.40.05 Join david_dl [0] (n=de98109f@labb.contactor.se) 03.42.20 Part dsh ("Leaving") 03.42.38 Quit jaebird (Remote closed the connection) 03.43.53 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 04.00.29 # hello 04.01.19 Join webguest41 [0] (n=44531f42@labb.contactor.se) 04.02.02 # I just built and installed rockbox on my 4g grayscale 04.02.06 # very impressive 04.02.24 # Glad it's working for you. 04.02.28 # However i found that the "hold menu to boot original firmware" didnt work 04.02.40 # You need to press it _very_ early 04.02.41 Quit webguest41 (Client Quit) 04.02.51 # ah 04.02.56 # ill try that 04.02.57 # i.e. just before the apple logo appears 04.03.35 # also, i found that when it does boot the original firmware, (I modified the bootloader to do this) 04.03.44 # the apple software loads fine 04.03.53 # but the lcd is 'mirrored' 04.04.00 # (left-right) 04.04.09 # kkurbjun: No I dind't had the time to test the midi patch? Did you update the patch so that it will compile cleanly? 04.04.16 # damaki__: Yes, someone else reported that. Does it stay like that? 04.04.23 # (sorry, I meant david_dl) 04.04.29 # yes 04.04.52 # safetydan: I can hear major skipping (and imminently crash) with the SDL sim. (as you reported) 04.04.55 # even If i let it sleep etc, it will be mirrored when it wakes 04.05.20 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 04.05.26 # XaverGr: If you use *both* patches on the tracker, the midi patch applies cleanly. 04.05.37 # both? 04.05.43 # There are two files in the patch now 04.05.50 # oh okay thanks 04.06.05 # midipatch.diff and midicvs.diff. I applied them (in that order) and it compiles 04.06.13 # Though, I don't think it works on iPod yet. 04.06.27 # what's the outcome? Do you get nice played midis? 04.06.32 # ah okay 04.06.45 # I got a screen full of "buffer miss" error messages. 04.07.19 # david_dl: Do you know if you're running the latest version of the Apple firmware? 04.07.27 # i.e. have you updated it recently? 04.07.37 # is songdb supposed to work with wavpack files? it's indexing my mp3's but not the wv's 04.07.52 # Zoide777: Just MP3 and I *think* ogg 04.08.43 # I updated it quite recently, if i go to settings->about it says 3.1.1 04.09.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: aarrrgggg... 04.09.39 # Does anyone know what happened with database v2? the files are offline now (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2) and it seems abandoned... 04.09.43 # Pault the nerd: I assume that you had a patch set when you used the plugin, right? 04.11.50 # XavierGr: Yes 04.12.00 # XavierGr: Compiling it for h120 now, I'll see if it works there 04.12.58 # Zoide777: The database system fell to the wayside for quite a while. 04.13.34 # linuxstb: this may or may not be helpful, but at the right side of the screen, about 10 pixels of what the bootloader was displaying is visible 04.13.45 # ie. the first letter of each line 04.14.01 Quit BHSPitMonkey ("BitchX-1.1-final -- just do it.") 04.14.06 # linuxstb: same thing with my 4g grayscale 04.14.22 # Zoide777: Do you know which version of the apple firmware you are running? 04.15.18 # david_dl: though i suppose you mean the left side of the actual screen, which (since everything's flipped) corresponds to the right side of the display? 04.15.56 # oh, sorry yea I meant left 04.16.22 # the display is of course fine in rockbox though 04.17.07 # XavierGr: On the H120 it seems to play the midi. It's a little glitchy, but it's definitely working 04.25.11 # david_dl, Zoide777: Can you test a new bootloader? 04.25.47 # sure 04.25.55 # It's here - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-4gtest1.bin 04.26.33 Join saratoga [0] (n=80c4c198@labb.contactor.se) 04.27.02 # I just noticed theres a patch for doing APEv2 tag reading on sourceforge 04.27.15 # did that ever get added to the standard CVS ? 04.27.49 # linuxstb: It works well, thanks 04.27.57 # Does the Apple firmware work OK? 04.28.01 # although no text is shown anymore when its booting 04.28.09 # yep, apple firmware is working 04.28.11 # Yes, not the best fix... 04.28.17 # let me test 04.28.22 # I just removed all the LCD-related code from the bootloader. 04.28.40 # but rockbox works as well, so its not really a problem I guess, at least not for now 04.29.32 # its also nice to see that rockbox boots at least as fast as the apple firmware.. 04.30.39 # one other thing, not so serious, but when I connect the USB, rockbox detects it, and reboots to disk mode 04.30.45 # when I connect firewire, this doesnt happen 04.30.48 Part YouCeyE ("Leaving") 04.30.54 # although it does detect that it's charging 04.32.30 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 04.33.28 # Yes, I haven't done anything to do with firewire yet. 04.34.40 # ahh... it's not flipped anymore you're right :) 04.34.50 # Can you try this version? - http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-4gtest2.bin 04.34.54 # ok 04.35.03 # This still draws on the LCD, but doesn't call the initialisation code. 04.36.01 # I get text when booting now, but its scrambled 04.36.15 # same here 04.36.26 # Is the apple firmware still OK? 04.36.31 # yes 04.36.31 # seems to be 04.36.38 # as is rockbox 04.37.11 # Rockbox itself will initialise the LCD when it starts. The problem is obviously caused by the bootloader calling the initialisation code. 04.37.51 # ah, I thought rockbox was partially dependant on the bootloader for such initialisations 04.38.07 # No, Rockbox does everything again. 04.38.31 # The bootloader does very little hardware initialisation - for this very reason. It needs to keep the Apple firmware happy. 04.38.55 # why does rockbox do it all over again? 04.39.18 # Because it's easier that way. The bootloader is basically a mini version of Rockbox. 04.39.25 # I guess that would make upgrading etc easier, the same bootloader can be used 04.39.56 # although upgrading the apple software would probably overwrite it? 04.40.13 # Yes - but why would you want to do that? :) 04.40.55 # Upgrading the apple software will just overwrite the bootloader - Rockbox itself should be intact. 04.41.14 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=billybob@65.68.201.28) 04.41.34 # ok, so the point is for rockbox to be independent of anything else that you have on the ipod, so that it can coexist with anything else. correct? 04.41.54 # Yes. Rockbox can also be loaded by the ipodlinux bootloader. 04.42.14 # i see 04.42.26 # but ipodlinux isn't very good for actual music playing, right? 04.42.43 # I've never managed to get it working. 04.42.44 # not currently 04.42.48 # woohoo, rockbox installed on my h320, great work guys i'll be following this with interest 04.43.20 # are there any implementations that could use a tag database other than the old one in the wiki? 04.44.25 # I'm not sure what you mean. Rockbox only has one tag database. 04.44.42 # I couldn't get the rockbox database to work 04.45.00 # But as others have said, that's been unmaintained for while, and a replacement (known as tagcache) is being developed to replace it. 04.45.09 # I used the java songdb.jar to build it, which seemed to work 04.45.14 # but rockbox froze trying to load it 04.45.20 # ah, sounds good 04.45.38 # whos working on the tagcache? 04.45.47 # If I was you, I wouldn't waste time with the current database - just wait until the new one is done. 04.46.05 # i mean, is the database limited to mp3 & ogg because of the reader itself or just because of the creator? Could we create the database with some other program such that it includes more file types? 04.46.14 # Slasheri is developing it. 04.46.37 # I'd expect that the limitation is because those are the only types it can read the tags of 04.47.00 # but when I open, say, a wavpack through the normal view it *does* display the tags 04.47.08 # Yes, that's my guess as well - I don't know the current tag database code at all, but I would imagine it's just a limitation of the database creation program. 04.47.23 # hmm 04.47.39 # The ultimate would be a plugin for foobar to copy the files and generate the database, which would be able to use foobar's tag database, which would be very quick 04.47.53 # Yes - that's because Rockbox has it's own tag parsers for all the formats it supports. The database creation programs implement their own... This is one thing the new system will fix. 04.47.53 # and support every tag out there 04.48.02 # Well, as linuxstb said, the current database is being replaced with the tagcache anyway. 04.48.41 # tagcache won't need an external database creation program - Rockbox itself will create the database using the same tag parsers it uses when playing the files. 04.49.08 # but it would still be possible to generate it externally? 04.49.09 # oh, so tagcache is a totally different project from database v2 (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DatabaseV2) ? 04.49.28 # david_dl: No, I don't think it will. 04.49.36 # Which helps maintain the independence of a rockboxed DAP from any specific software on a computer. 04.49.52 # david_dl: Out of curiosity, why would an external application be preferable? 04.49.53 # ok, I guess the name 'tagcache' sort of suggests that 04.50.01 # Someone could of course write such a program, but there is no real need for it. 04.51.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: Because your media player (ie. foobar2000) would have its own database of tags for each file, some of which would differ from the file's actual tags (ie. untaggable formats, formats with restrictive tags), and if you already have these tags, it would make sense to use them rather than thrash the DAP's harddrive 04.52.16 # also, you wouldn't be limited to the tags rockbox supports 04.52.25 # a foobar plugin would be cool just because you could still have info in the database if you have some oddball tag format not supported by rockbox, or whatever 04.52.30 # not that big a deal though i guess 04.53.31 # The database format would of course be documented, so anyone could write such a plugin. 04.53.42 # I was about to say the very same thing. 04.54.00 # Cool, thats really what I meant when I asked if it would be possible to generate it externally. 04.54.07 # But I can't think of any existing Rockbox developer who would be interested in such a task. 04.54.39 # I'm sure once it gains popularity many other people would 04.55.18 # And of course, the database will be the same for all Rockbox'ed players - iriver, ipod and hopefully iaudio in the near future. 04.55.26 # very cool 04.55.40 # what was wrong with the current database structure? 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12.06.45 # .. geuss not.. 12.07.19 # dang 12.08.50 # how do u boot the ipod fw instead of rb? 12.09.21 # hold down menu 12.09.25 # before the apple shows up 12.10.00 # Membrillo, not sure if Sage will do what you want, but I like it. 12.10.54 # i tried sage. id rather just have all my RSS feeds cycle along a bar at the top, rather than opening up a side box and go through t 12.10.56 # hem 12.11.20 # also, selecting rss feeds on sage navigated away from your current page 12.11.24 # And keeping them as Live Bookmarks doesn't work for you? 12.11.44 # whats a live bookmark? 12.12.04 # Firefox's built in support for RSS feeds. 12.12.14 # ah, didnt know there was such a thing 12.12.16 # A menu of bookmarks that updates "live" based on an rss feed. 12.12.24 # You just bookmark an RSS link IIRC, and it treats it like a folder of bookmarks. 12.12.50 # And you can have bars of bookmarks across the top of the browser. 12.13.15 # yeah, i knew you could have bars across the top, but i didnt know it didnt anything special with RSS feeds 12.13.49 # hmmm, if i add the link to the rss feed and open it, it just shows me the .xml file 12.14.03 # add the link as a bookmark i mean 12.14.17 # Just browse to a site with an rss feed (e.g. slashdot) and you'll get an RSS icon in the bottom-right corner of your firefox window. Just click on that to add a live bookmark. 12.14.57 # I haven't worked out how to do it without using that icon... 12.15.10 # i want the RSS feed of this site: http://benfolds.com. it has an rss link but no little orange thing 12.15.26 Quit Thus0 ("plouf") 12.16.16 # am i blind or is there no little orange thing 12.16.36 # That seems a problem with the site - it's not correctly identifying that file as RSS. Just "text/xml" 12.16.50 # It should also refer to it in the header of the html page. 12.17.04 # ah fair enough 12.17.18 # because its worked if i fead that xml file into other RSS readers (ie sage) 12.17.29 # but obviously firefox is getting confused 12.17.30 # Adding feeds manually is described here: http://kb.mozillazine.org/RSS_feeds_(Firefox) 12.18.04 # RSS feeds (Firefox From MozillaZine Knowledge Base) --- (There is currently no text in this page) 12.18.28 # wait sorry, missing a ) at the end 12.18.30 # Here's the info: "You can add this manually by copying the link address then selecting "Bookmarks -> Manage Bookmarks" from the Toolbar, selecting "File -> New Live Bookmark" then choosing a name and pasting/typing in the link's address." 12.20.50 # ah got that 12.21.05 # so to check the rss feeds i go into bookmarks and highlight the one i want? 12.21.18 # Try it - you'll see how it works. 12.21.39 # where do i get dict.index and dict.desc for the dict plugin? 12.21.40 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-101-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.22.56 Quit perplexity (No route to host) 12.27.52 # https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&category=News%20Reading&id=36 12.27.57 # sorry 12.27.58 # https://addons.mozilla.org/extensions/moreinfo.php?application=thunderbird&category=News%20Reading&id=361 12.27.58 Quit stamppot (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.28.05 # the second link 12.28.10 # does what i want perfectly 12.28.31 # does rockbox have an RSS feed? 12.28.42 Join stamppot [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 12.28.48 # of recent CVS changes 12.30.59 # ? 12.31.01 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! 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But I don't know how things are wired up inside the h300. 12.51.25 # linuxstb: is it true that we have some X11 sims left? like player and recorder? 12.51.48 # or are those sdl already? 12.52.32 # I think they're SDL slready. 12.52.37 # ok 12.52.38 Quit SereR0KR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.52.43 # bah, the SDL sim dies inside pcmbuf_callback when playing sound and you seek back in the first few seconds 12.52.43 Join perplexity [0] (i=heh13581@217.165.99.160) 12.52.49 # * safetydan continues poking and sound playback in the sim 12.52.55 # s/and/at/ 12.52.59 # JdGordon, linuxstb: theres only one person that can tell us. the almighty linus 12.53.13 # guys, dumb question...i've got an iriver H340 with the 1.29 firmware (video support), what benefits would rockbox add?? 12.53.17 # :) 12.53.28 # what does the s stand for in s/old/new 12.53.29 # jackinabox^: nothing really 12.53.32 # safetydan: You should look at the code that runs on the targets in firmware/pcm_playback.c. I think the sim playback code will need to mimic that as closely as possible. 12.53.40 # jackinabox^: way too many to list 12.53.50 # rockbox is shite combared to the origional firmware... 12.53.58 # linuxstb, yeah I'm getting the feeling that the sim sound code needs to some redoing after the recent changes 12.54.04 # jackinabox^: seriously, try rockbox. you will regret not using it earlier 12.54.07 # * JdGordon 's msg may contain traces of sarcasm 12.54.20 # jackinabox^, and if you don't like it, you can always boot the old firmware anyway 12.54.25 # * Membrillo kicks jdgordon for scaring the new kid 12.54.25 # exactly what does it do?? 12.54.32 # *ouch* 12.54.36 # everything the original doesnt 12.54.42 # Membrillo: it's sed syntax 12.54.56 # and everything the original does, a heck of a lot better 12.55.03 # except video 12.55.07 # thats not supported yet 12.55.13 # safetydan: I don't know how the sim code works, but it needs a thread to simulate the DMA/interrupts and keep feeding data to the host audio driver. 12.55.16 # jackinabox^: lets u make playlists on the fly.. so ur not resticted to music in 1 folder.. play games... 12.55.26 # bu, so i'd lose video playback? 12.55.29 # plus, its dual boot, so you can still boot the original if you want 12.55.34 # WMA is another missing feature in Rockbox 12.55.35 # nope 12.55.42 # you have both rockbox and original 12.55.52 # oh, ok 12.55.52 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-101-049.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.55.59 # what's status with RockBox on iPod Video? ;> 12.56.00 # jackinabox^, ogg, flac, shorten and playback, crossfade, 5 band parametric equalizer, customisable while playing screen, plugins... playable Doom :) 12.56.20 # like i say, these doubtless sound like dumb questions for you 12.56.20 # i didn't get doom working :( 12.56.25 # oh, and biggest thing.. 10s boot.. not 45s 12.56.31 # linuxstb, part of the problem is I don't know how the sim code works either :) 12.56.32 # give it a chance. it confused me for a few weeks, but now ive forgotten everything relating to the original firmware 12.57.14 # ok, i'll have to give it a crack 12.57.20 # * Membrillo would marry rockbox if it were legal to marry open source software 12.57.27 # lol 12.57.30 # haha 12.57.36 # hmmmm 12.57.38 # * Membrillo ponders the next best thing being linus? 12.57.41 # :P 12.57.44 # * jackinabox^ is disturbed 12.57.50 # deeply :P 12.58.02 # Membrillo: he mihgt not like that idea 12.58.04 # * t0mas points at the news that Linus has a wife and kids iirc ;) 12.58.49 # alright ill stop talking crap now :P 12.59.19 # jackinabox^: yeah, once you get used to rockbox, it kicks the original firmware in the ass 12.59.25 # safetydan: I don't understand why the pcm_* functions in uisimulator/common/stubs.c are not implemented. These would seem to be crucial to audio playback. 12.59.39 # i do LOVE .avi compression....17 dvds taking up just over 5GB :) 12.59.46 # * JdGordon has too much crap on his h300... 220mb free 12.59.59 # * Membrillo has 7mb left on his h320 13.00.02 # shite! 13.00.21 # i still have well over half mine free 13.00.24 # JdGordon: h340 or 20? 13.00.30 # 20 13.00.36 # ah ok 13.00.42 # but i only listen to maybe2gb tho :p 13.00.53 # as do we all :) 13.00.59 # if i could find an australian distributor of 1.8" tosh drives i would grab a 60gb 13.01.14 # i would too if u could and i had money 13.01.23 # that's plain over-kill 13.01.27 # actually.. no i would buy your 40 off ya... 13.01.33 # i have 6000 songs and ive listened to most of them throughout time 13.01.34 # u have the 340 right? 13.01.41 # me? 13.01.41 # nah i have a 20 13.01.41 # Membrillo: Were you the person looking to put an ipod hard drive in their h300? 13.01.47 # linuxstb: yep 13.01.55 # Did you ever find a definitive answer? 13.02.13 # y wouldnt it work? arnt they the same hdd's? 13.02.27 # i would say no way 13.02.37 # not definitive, but we came to a conclusion that ipod hardrives work on irivers, but external harddrives dont work on harddrives 13.02.37 # steve wouldn't allow it 13.02.45 # gar 13.02.46 # its late 13.02.51 # linuxstb, I was thinking the same thing, but I didn't want to break the other sims... 13.02.52 # dont work on ipods* 13.02.54 # maybe it doesn't matter now 13.02.58 # only 8pm here :) 13.03.24 # safetydan: I would agree - breaking audio on the other sims is a small price to pay for it working perfectly in SDL. 13.03.28 # some ipod firmware locking mechanism was the furthest we got 13.03.33 # GAH WTF??? i just found trance in my collection... fuck i hat e trance 13.03.47 # haha same here 13.03.51 # * safetydan gets breaking 13.04.02 # yay, my backdrop worked :) 13.04.11 # i have 8gb of improvised songs. is that depressing? 13.04.12 # dance music as no place on an mp3 player, period 13.04.12 # safetydan: tnx, now I can test our new build system with a lot of broken builds :D 13.04.50 Join Maxime` [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.be) 13.05.28 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.05.34 # Membrillo: My theory is still that the people who tried are incompetent. iPods are very fussy about what data is on the hard drive, and will refuse to operate if it's not correct. But this is purely a "software" issue. 13.06.00 # But ignore that - we are talking about the other way around.... 13.06.57 # yeah, i think most of the problems people had were that they were taking the harddrives out of their friends broken ipods. they figured it was a software issue, but it was obviously broken harddrives. If you format the HD and repartition it, i dont see why it wouldnt work 13.07.04 # this is a bit silly, but is it possible to have a bootloader or chained bootloaders so i can boot both ipl, rockbox and apple? 13.07.17 # yes, you can have all three 13.07.34 # rockbox is the dominant bootloader, and it can boot the other two IIRC 13.07.39 # okay 13.07.44 # Yes - the Rockbox bootloader loads all three, and so can ipodlinux's ipodloader2 13.07.46 # ask linuxstb: though 13.08.01 # do i want to add the ipl bootloader as an image to the rockbox bootloader or the linux kernel directly? 13.08.03 # theres your answer :P 13.08.04 # IIRC?? 13.08.06 Quit perldiver (Connection timed out) 13.08.20 # Mikachu: What is on your ipod at the moment? 13.08.23 # jackinabox^: if i recall correctly 13.08.32 # linuxstb: i have apple and rockbox now, but the ipl partition is on too 13.08.37 # just no loader that can reach it 13.08.45 # jackinabox^: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IrcTalk 13.08.49 # oh ok.. irc lingo is rusty :P 13.09.03 # Perfect - just copy a kernel image (called linux.bin) to the root of your FAT32 partition and hold PLAY whilst booting. 13.09.19 # i.e. in the same place as rockbox.ipod lives. 13.09.37 # too many acronyms in my ead from uni 13.09.52 # head 13.10.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.10.11 # hehe i know what you mean 13.10.16 # ah, cool 13.10.35 # what are you studying membrillo? 13.10.53 # any1 know a good mp3 renamer/tagger? 13.11.05 # im in Australian Year11. (2 years till uni) 13.11.09 # not me, sorry 13.11.12 # TagScanner 13.11.20 # oh, ok 13.11.33 # Membrillo: poor bugger.. 13.11.37 # what state are u in? i'm in WA 13.11.38 # yr11/12 sucked :D 13.11.50 # NSW 13.11.52 # it did indeed 13.11.58 Join Pi [0] (n=Pi@80-41-209-21.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.11.58 # yeah, ive heard that a lot lol 13.12.01 # oh, ok 13.12.04 # wooo VIC rules :D 13.12.25 # and the 3 hours of homework ive been getting a night isnt exactly fun 13.12.35 # not worth responding to that tripe really 13.12.35 # hm, my Open With menu is a bit messed up 13.12.42 # :P 13.12.44 # man, i wish i was in melbourne 13.12.45 # it's not in sync with what i have in .rockbox/viewers and some entries are there twice 13.12.54 # is it not updated live from that dir? 13.14.08 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JB@cc829402-a.groni1.gr.home.nl) 13.14.09 # hm, how does viewers.config work? 13.14.17 # i don't suppose there's an knon moves afoot to allow the H340 to have a jukebox style function (like multiple track queueing)?? 13.14.32 # any known rather 13.15.01 # and what are the hex parameters on the end of the line? 13.15.08 # the icon 13.15.11 # ah 13.15.30 # jackinabox^: yes, highlight a song or folder and hold navi, go to playlist 13.15.56 # queueing means the song is removed from the playlist after being played, insert means its removed 13.16.39 # so i guess rockboy doesn't work so well on ipod 13.16.45 # oh, ok..and i don't need rockbox for that? 13.17.13 # if you want all included subfolders to be added, hit ab in file view, go playlist options, and select recursivelt insert directories 13.17.20 # no you need rockbox 13.17.29 # ahhh, ok 13.17.34 # in the original firmware you can only queue one song 13.17.40 Quit Rob2222_ () 13.17.49 # i don't have that installed yet 13.18.04 # that's why i was asking :) 13.19.27 # go for rockbox, it pwns :) 13.21.26 # an1 listen to ill disposed here? 13.22.01 # not me 13.22.35 # nope 13.22.49 # they sound depressing :p 13.23.19 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB2021D.ipt.aol.com) 13.23.38 # i'm more into older stuff ACDC, Chisel, Stones, Beatles, etc 13.23.42 # wow, pavaroti is singing at the winter olympics opening ceremony 13.23.58 # gees, hes an amazing singer 13.24.24 # yeah, just not my cup of tea in terms of genre :) 13.24.48 # haha yeah fair enough, but still, for what he is, hes amazing 13.24.53 # brb 13.25.09 # pity he'll probably die of heart disease soon 13.25.10 # indeed, no dispute :) 13.25.10 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.25.33 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.25.50 # bah! you're here for a good time, not a long time! 13.26.15 # hehe 13.26.58 # so it's mainly an aussie crowd in here? 13.27.10 # i guess so 13.27.12 # jackinabox^: depends on the time of day 13.27.20 # ok 13.27.20 # its something ridiculous like 4am in USA 13.27.26 # no idea about europe 13.27.35 # piss weak excuse :P 13.27.39 # its obviously night time in italy 13.27.42 # europe's currently around midday-2pm 13.27.49 # but the devs there have dayjobs 13.27.57 # On Saturday? 13.28.05 # go back 13.28.06 # Membrillo: yeah, that's why italy currently has full sun 13.28.08 # its friday there 13.28.16 # I should know.... 13.28.26 # membrilo; league or union fan? 13.28.30 # It's currently 12.28pm GMT on Saturday. 13.28.33 # Membrillo: no it isn't. 13.28.51 # it isnt? fair enough 13.29.03 # The UK is currently GMT, western Europe is GMT+1 13.29.05 # Membrillo: europe is behind us, not in front 13.29.09 # * safetydan would be in trouble if it was Friday 13.29.12 # I'd have to be at work 13.29.14 # hehe... 13.29.17 # ashridah: everywhere is behind us 13.29.21 # apart from nz 13.29.22 # i just assumed since i was watching the winter olympics opening ceremony in italy and it was night. musnt be live though 13.29.25 # * ashridah notes what he said made no sense :) 13.29.30 # actually. it kinda does. 13.29.30 # nevermind ;) 13.29.32 # East coast aus is GMT+10 13.29.45 # england is 11 hours behind EST 13.29.55 # No, the opening ceremony was about 16 hours ago - Friday night local time in Italy. 13.29.56 # depends on daylight savings 13.29.56 # wait 9 sorry 13.30.00 # safetydan: +11.. dst atm 13.30.03 # * ashridah pats kworldclock 13.30.30 # DST makes it hard to remember, it can be as low as +9 and and as great as +11 13.30.36 # (unless you're in QLD of course) 13.30.43 # Someone needs to code a World Clock in Rockbox.... 13.30.47 # don't get me started about DST!! 13.31.31 # everyone should tell the clock there location and you can click on anyones username from a list and it says the date and time in their location 13.31.43 # man that would be useful 13.31.56 # Membrillo: get miranda-im... u can show ppl's local time on the ocntact list 13.31.58 # Bagder, linuxstb, lostlogic, jaebird: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/ 13.32.08 # we have pretty good buildtimes now 13.32.30 # (Links to error's don't work... I don't have that CGI script on my server) 13.33.28 # gcc can throw some really cryptic errors sometimes 13.33.34 # t0mas: Nice. Will that continue updating now? 13.33.41 # safetydan, WA doesn't use DST either 13.33.58 # linuxstb: no, but I can make it... 13.33.58 # does rb charge the h300 if the ac adapter is plugged in and its in usb mode? 13.34.06 # safetydan: bah, it's easy to confuse a parser :) 13.34.09 # t0mas: That would be fun. 13.34.11 # * Membrillo wishes MSN messenger supported IRC 13.34.23 # linuxstb: the only problem atm is that I edited that file manually... because the rockbox stylesheet isn't linked it 13.34.26 # *in 13.34.36 # lcd-bitmap.c:31: error: storage class specified for parameter ‘get_lcd_pixel’ 13.34.44 # I can make a rockbox subdomain... and put it there... 13.34.47 # rockbox.salfischberger.nl 13.34.51 # now how does that mean "you missed a semicolon in a prototype in another include file"? 13.34.59 # geek question...what is RB coded in? C C++ Java?? 13.35.03 # linuxstb: but we get a spot on the real server soon... and that will be even faster :D 13.35.04 # C 13.35.05 # jackinabox^, C 13.35.15 # But with small bits of assembler as well. 13.35.16 # Doesnt Java = C anyway? 13.35.18 # with a sprinkling of platform specific asm here and there 13.35.19 # cool, PIG of a language though 13.35.20 # Membrillo, hahahah 13.35.36 # or java = C++ or something 13.35.38 # Or are you serious? 13.35.52 # Java looks similar but is largely unrelated to either C or C++ 13.36.11 # * safetydan is a Java programmer by day 13.36.27 # and spirderman by night... 13.36.27 # Java is basically the plain english version of C 13.36.33 # fair enough. i just read somewhere that things in Java can easily be ported to C or C++ because they are based on the same something-or-other and are similar 13.36.35 # c++, not c 13.37.56 # Membrillo, syntax is similar, but it's not exactly straightforward to port things between them 13.38.02 # Membrillo: IIUC, I'm sure you can write Java that is very similar to C or C++ - but in general, a Java program will use Java-specific features, and therefore will not be easy to port to another language. 13.38.14 # * safetydan curses whoever changed the case of null between languages 13.38.19 # NULL in C, null in Java 13.38.23 # gets me everytime 13.38.24 Join webguest64 [0] (n=3efb5402@labb.contactor.se) 13.38.33 # #define NULL null 13.38.36 # simple... 13.38.52 # ha 13.38.52 # s/null/NULL/ 13.38.53 Join RoyalMike [0] (n=3efb5402@labb.contactor.se) 13.38.53 Quit webguest64 (Client Quit) 13.38.59 # I don't think the other devs would like that :) 13.39.06 # Heya guys 13.39.42 # that's why i switched from computer science (basically a programming degree) to an IT degree at uni, majoring in computer security 13.39.54 # just use programs, no coding! :) 13.39.56 # linuxstb: any idea which file the file tree context menu would be found in? 13.40.07 # jackinabox^: because of the null vs NULL thing? that seems wimpy :) 13.40.10 # You're probably thinking of onplay.c 13.40.33 # nah, coz i was shite at it all round 13.41.30 # * Membrillo wishes his school had taught him C rather than VB 13.41.55 Join webguest81 [0] (n=5087f357@labb.contactor.se) 13.42.05 # thanx.. can u please add a tiny patch so insert shuffled is shown if nothing is being played? so u can shuffle a dir without being in shuffle mode? 13.42.07 # Membrillo, it's not too late to learn 13.42.42 # Membrillo: i found c pretty simple to pick up.. all u need is a half decent book or tutes 13.42.43 # Membrillo: if you mean high school, no high school will do that. pascal back in the day, now vb, but not C 13.42.49 # i know, but it would be a lot more convinient if i already knew C and didnt have VB in my head 13.42.52 # safteydan, err, a reminder about the playlist patch 13.43.14 # webguest81, Moos talked to me about that, said hardeep was looking at it 13.43.17 # so I've left it alone for now 13.43.17 # Membrillo: ultimately, programming's a thought process, not a language. 13.43.38 # ah that is good news indeed, thank you, 13.43.42 # yeah, well i had a bit of talent for coding in VB. hopefully that continues to other languages 13.43.57 # Membrillo, VB or VB.net? 13.44.08 # just VB i think 13.44.24 # i have visual studio if that means anything 13.44.26 # Hey do any of you guys know when your running rockbox in an ipod how you delete recent bookmarks? cuz its normall on+play but which buttons is that on an ipod? any ideas? 13.44.27 # Might be an easy step to go to VB.net as it's closer to C than VB was 13.44.31 # what have i started?! :) 13.44.56 # RoyalMike: try mneu+left and +right, something like that worked for me 13.45.01 # RoyalMike: i'm not sure which it was though 13.45.13 # RoyalMike: or play+left/right 13.45.15 # who knows 13.45.31 Part webguest81 13.46.10 # It's currently a long press on RIGHT. 13.46.10 Quit bluey (Remote closed the connection) 13.46.11 # wtf?? all the old patches are back? 13.46.15 # Hahaha shitttt I did menu+right and it deleted ALL my bookmarks!!! GAYYYYY hahahahaha 13.46.44 # HAHAHAHA OMGZ DATSS SOOOO FUNI!! ;);;) 13.46.48 # well, i could have been wrong 13.46.58 # * Membrillo apologises, he just felt the urge 13.47.19 # Anyone know anything about id3v2 tags? Are they normally at the start or the end of the file? 13.47.25 # hahaahha no worries :P good excuse to listen to all my music again 13.47.49 # linuxstb: they can be on either side i think, at least in 2.4 13.48.13 # i'm not sure if 2.3 can be either or only at the start 13.48.23 # Do you know what the most common usage is? 13.48.23 # i wonder if they will make it so the rockbox can eventually play .mid .mod .sid files etc hehe that would be cool 13.48.39 # i think they're normally at the beginning but i can't promise anything 13.48.47 # That's OK - that's what I thought. 13.48.57 # RoyalMike: mid, mod and sid are difficult formats. 13.49.07 # beginning is better when reading but end is better when writing i guess 13.49.15 # sid in particular, since you need a complete interpreter for the chip that originally played it 13.49.24 # linuxstb: pretty please with a huge freeking cherry on top if u can add this patch.. http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429679&group_id=44306&atid=439120 13.49.48 # Rob2222: mid needs to be loaded entirely into memory, and i don't know if there's an integer-based version of a mod codec (the status of all of these should be in the wiki) 13.50.11 # true......I spose there shouldnt be a good reason why I should want to walk around listening to old .sid files from my commadore 64 games anyway haha 13.50.15 # wouldn't midi suck without a huge wavetable anyway? 13.50.16 # arghl 13.50.24 # s/rob2222/RoyalMike/ 13.50.37 # RoyalMike: just use something to convert them into flac 13.50.43 # There is a work-in-progress midi player in Rockbox - kkurbjun is working on improving it, and I think has put a patch on the patch tracker. 13.50.46 # Mikachu: that's where a lot of the memory goes 13.50.57 # Ahh good call 13.51.10 # there's no simple way to mix .mid in with normal streamed codecs 13.51.27 # since you need a crapload of the normal codec buffer for the wave table 13.51.57 # it'd probably be possible to get them playing with a viewer (i believe we've got a midi2wav viewer, just not a player) 13.52.08 # i don't remember how well it performs tho 13.52.19 # Also do you guys know if or when you will be able to view .jpg and colour pics on ipod? cuz I know it works with rockbox on the other mp3 players and ipods now have colour in menus etc so yeah..dunno 13.52.28 # or if it still runs, it's kinda stagnated 13.53.02 # RoyalMike: When somebody puts back the colour decoding code that was removed when the jpeg decoder was first added to Rockbox. A few people have expressed an interest in doing that. 13.53.08 # RoyalMike: if is certain. when depends on when someone gets around to it, which is a matter of priorities and spare time. 13.53.14 # Mann i wish I could program... I got about as far as oldschool visual basic and gave up hehe 13.53.14 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com) 13.54.26 # i think i saw some other jpeg viewers in the patches part of the site, are they also b/w? 13.54.35 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-3e3422b8.pool.mediaWays.net) 13.54.46 # you guys deserve a medal or something... or at least 1/2 of the ipods sales from the time rockbox came out I recon so many more people would and will buy them now 13.55.22 # i still don't want an ipod 13.55.38 # because its apple? :) 13.55.59 # i won mine 13.56.03 # i dunno... the 30gb photo looks lice.. if i didnt have a h320 that is :D 13.56.21 # linuxstb: so thats a no to that patch :p :'( 13.56.26 # cool winning things is always good 13.56.35 # RoyalMike: no, because they have shitty sound quality 13.57.05 # Wouldnt that only be dependant on the codecs and decoders etc? 13.57.07 # JdGordon: I know nothing about that part of Rockbox, so I don't know if that patch is a good idea or not. 13.57.39 # RoyalMike: no, it has more to do with the inability of it to drive decent bass in normal earbud earphones. 13.57.47 # :'( course it is.. dont u ever want to play a directory in shuffled moe without manually shuffling it after adding the dir? 13.58.08 # Ahh fair enough 13.58.37 # is the splash screen delayed manually or does rb do stuff in the background while it's shown? 13.58.50 # RoyalMike: someone actually hooked them up to a frequency analyser (not that i can find the fricking link anymore 13.59.09 # apparently there's like one model out of all of them that has a decent output stage 13.59.40 # * t0mas wouldn't mind getting a free ipod... 13.59.45 # but paying for it.. no.. 14.00.22 # Hmmm 14.00.23 # i'd sell it to someone with crappy hearing :) 14.00.42 # Theres no way to record to an ipod is there? 14.00.43 # ghehe, well I like the design of the nano... and with rockbox on it it might be a nice player 14.00.53 # but 2 gb isn't really much 14.01.26 # yeah ive only got one cuz its 60gig and because i bought it off my boss who wanted a video one so I got it brandnew in box for 160 woohoo 14.01.29 # RoyalMike: Yes, the ipod has a line-in hidden in the Dock connector. It's not convenient (you have to make your own cable), but it is possible. 14.01.31 # t0mas: rockbox can't fix broken hardware :) 14.01.33 # RoyalMike: not nano, but i think the others have 14.02.07 # ashridah: it's not that broken... 14.02.08 # Oerrrrrr 14.02.17 # Make your own cable? Hmmmm 14.02.25 Join Jolt [0] (n=56280280@labb.contactor.se) 14.02.32 # normal 60gb ipod (4g?) sounds ok to me... for normal pop/rock music 14.02.47 # have they released a passive FM transmitter for the H300 players yet? 14.02.47 # but theres no software or anything on there to record? 14.02.55 # but maybe you're right for classic... it's designed to sell to a lot of kids ;) 14.02.55 # The ipod's DAC (and ADC) is also capable of 24-bit/96KHz. 14.03.16 # so great sound is possible? :) 14.03.17 # Rockbox will. 14.03.36 # Cooool 14.04.12 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc1-hem13-0-0-cust973.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 14.05.13 # How do you mean theres a HIDDEN linein? how is it hidden? 14.05.42 # i think it's two of the pins in the dock connector, not a 3.5mm jack 14.05.52 # Yes - that's what I meant. 14.06.24 # Ahh... So you need a way of connecting a normal connector to the 2 pins? 14.06.39 # Yes - hence the "make your own cable" bit. 14.06.59 # gotcha.....maybe one of you guys can make them sell them and make your fortune :) 14.07.04 # No-one seems to sell suitable cables commercially 14.07.27 # cuz ppl like me would have NO idea how to make a cabl 14.08.28 # I've bought a "pocket dock" which is a tiny adapter to give line-out and firewire ports on the ipod. I hope to be able to modify the line-out to become a line-in. I can then try and add recording support to Rockbox. 14.10.29 # Very nice 14.11.04 # Do you think there will be a way also in the future to be able to hook the ipod straight to another usb device and brows/transfer directly between them? 14.11.32 # depends if the other device is a USB Host. 14.12.00 # The ipod has USB host 14.12.10 # nano too? 14.12.11 # if the ipods use a usb-storage-on-a-chip like the iriver units do, then the answer is no, since the ipod won't be able to access or command the disk when connected 14.12.14 # aah 14.12.33 # No, the usb-mass-storage mode is done in software (afaik). 14.12.35 # would be awesome if i could hack up gphoto to download my camera pics to it... my camera only has 16MB builtin memory 14.12.49 # Don't apple already sell a camera connector? 14.12.58 # no idea 14.13.01 # Mikachu: there is a cable u can get for the ipod to do that... 14.13.07 # the camera isn't usb mass storage anyway 14.13.30 # yeah im sure there is a camera connector but its quite limited....still should be able to change that a bit 14.13.33 # linuxstb: whoa, so someone's going to have to implement a usb stack for rockbox eventually 14.13.37 Quit Mmmm () 14.13.51 # * ashridah hands the prospective person a cookie of cutzpah 14.13.55 # That would be verynice 14.13.56 # or however you spell that 14.14.13 # haha 14.14.22 # chutzpah is how they spell it in KoL 14.14.46 # so u all watch the nanny? or am i not the only yid here? 14.14.54 Quit Membrillo () 14.15.05 # ashridah: Yes - the h300's got usb host as well. But firstly, the ipods will need a low-level usb driver, which isn't available in IPL yet. 14.18.05 # linuxstb: i meant a usb client driver, although i don't know how complicated it'd need to be, granted 14.21.59 # ashridah: Yes, I know you meant the client drivers. But I'm saying that on the ipod, we don't have any documentation for the usb hardware. At least for the h300, there's a public datasheet. 14.22.54 # Seeya guys have a good weekend 14.22.59 Quit RoyalMike ("CGI:IRC") 14.23.17 Part jackinabox^ 14.27.39 # aah 14.28.36 # linuxstb: It now keeps updating this one: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/ 14.29.01 # we only don't have the showlog.cgi script, so you can't view error's there 14.29.08 # *errors 14.30.01 # now we only need someone to commit something to test :) 14.31.25 # now that's a score :) 14.32.23 Quit Jolt ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.32.45 # that's because non of the test build machines has X11 installed :) 14.32.58 # it are all servers... I assume all running w/o a display 14.34.46 # t0mas: My "server" is my main workstation - it's running X. 14.35.02 # ah, but you don't have the x11 headers installed? 14.35.10 # I should do. Let me test. 14.35.18 # ok, check if you can build a player sim 14.35.32 # (or ondio FM sim) 14.36.24 # is the hold button on ipods hardware or does rockbox block the events on its own? 14.36.30 # Yes, I've just built a player sim without problems. 14.36.48 # ok 14.36.57 # then we can change that when transferring to the main server 14.37.12 Join ste__ [0] (n=steve@slawson.plus.com) 14.37.14 # Mikachu: I _think_ it's hardware. But preglow is the person who wrote the button driver. 14.37.20 # okay 14.37.29 # i also noticed i sometimes have to toggle it twice to get keys back working 14.37.36 # which suggested it's software :) 14.37.40 # yeah 14.37.43 # Which ipod? 14.37.46 # nano 14.37.52 # it's software... and there is something with timing problem in it iirc 14.37.55 # i was just thinking you could use it as a shift mode for games or something 14.38.05 # Well, preglow has a Nano - he'll be able to tell you. 14.38.13 # okay 14.39.14 Nick ste__ is now known as SteL (n=steve@slawson.plus.com) 14.42.50 Join steveb [0] (n=steve@pan.object4.net) 14.47.42 # what am i doing wrong if i get Incompatible model? 14.48.26 # ah, no PLUGIN_HEADER 14.49.12 Part SteL 14.50.25 # heh, that didn't quite fit on the screen, i see why it said only H300 :) 14.51.51 Join steveb_ [0] (n=steve@pan.object4.net) 14.54.49 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.01.15 # * t0mas is waiting for a cvs commit... get working everybody ;) 15.01.17 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-3e3422b4.pool.mediaWays.net) 15.01.36 # anyone tried doom on nano? 15.01.47 # I don't think it's working yet. 15.01.52 # (on any ipod) 15.01.58 # okay 15.03.25 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 15.03.37 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@mrbg-3e3422b4.pool.mediaWays.net) 15.06.04 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@82.182.85.76) 15.10.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.31 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 15.27.39 Quit JazzBone ("Leaving") 15.32.30 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-59.VIC.netspace.net.au) 15.32.52 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 15.32.55 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-121-59.VIC.netspace.net.au) 15.34.20 Nick t0mas is now known as ts|away (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 15.34.46 Join webguest74 [0] (n=51e6293c@labb.contactor.se) 15.35.44 Quit webguest74 (Client Quit) 15.38.05 Quit steveb ("Lost terminal") 15.38.32 Join steveb [0] (n=steve@pan.object4.net) 15.50.02 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.50.57 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-131-135.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.51.16 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.51.20 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 15.55.38 # so, the text viewer doesn't like variable width fonts so much, or multibyte 15.56.20 # All I know is that the text viewer expects the input file to be utf-8. 15.56.37 # it shows the glyphs correctly, but it'll linebreak in the middle of a character 15.56.37 Quit Fuiou5 (Connection reset by peer) 15.56.53 # Yes, I think that's been reported before. 15.56.57 # okay 15.57.17 Join Furious_G [0] (n=none@dhcp165152.reynolds.fsu.edu) 15.57.28 # so i turned off linebreaking but then when scrolling to the side, it still breaks in the middle of course :) 16.01.56 Nick ts|away is now known as t0mas (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 16.03.34 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82.41.205.190) 16.03.47 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 16.04.51 Join goa [0] (i=hd@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 16.07.21 Quit DangerousDan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.08.42 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 16.09.22 # :D 16.09.27 # distributed beaten main :P 16.09.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 16.09.31 # http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/ 16.09.37 # only failing in X11 sims... 16.10.20 Quit DangerousDan (Client Quit) 16.11.17 # t0mas the cvs diff links on your page .. point ot your page 16.11.35 # hm? 16.11.59 # the error logs are not working at all, because we don't have that script... it's on the main server 16.12.00 # Oh hi Bger 16.12.06 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.12.11 # XavierGr hi 16.12.17 # so it's reporting a 404 in the style of my personal website 16.12.22 # t0mas: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/p/rockbox/cvsmod/chlog-2006-02-11%2015:00:41.html 16.12.22 # yep 16.12.44 # linuxstb: that one is ok here? 16.12.46 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@83.198.79.53) 16.12.48 # just missing the rockbox style? 16.12.51 # That page works (but no css), but it links to viewcvs.cgi on your server, not rockbox.org. 16.12.55 # XavierGr didn't have time today 16.13.01 # But it's not important.... 16.13.11 # linuxstb: oooh, that's what you mean 16.13.16 # it's just the main servers scripts 16.13.20 # ok okay I didn't ask, take your time :) 16.13.29 # so the only thing I changed was the stylesheet on the main page 16.13.30 # to check 16.13.49 # i had a "hard" night ...:) waked up 1 hour ago ... 16.13.58 # hahah me too 16.14.07 # Did you have fun? 16.14.16 # so-so :) 16.14.25 # good to hear! 16.14.37 # (so-so os good right?) 16.14.58 # and i'll go out after 2-3 hours again 16.15.31 # if some things didn't happen it would be called almost perfect, but ... 16.15.47 # sh*t happens... :( 16.15.54 # yep 16.24.30 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 16.27.02 Quit Rondom (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.33.20 Quit Maxime` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.34.58 # Wow playback is SDL sim stutters like hell... 16.39.11 Nick t0mas is now known as ts|gone (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 16.54.28 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.56.56 Quit ashridah ("sleep. EEK. 3am!") 17.00.01 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 17.03.37 # linuxstb: I sent you another m4a file 17.06.07 # kvergetakis@gmail.com 17.06.17 # oops 17.06.21 # wrong window 17.06.27 # spam comes :) 17.06.28 # god! 17.06.45 # This is not my email at least ROFLMAO 17.07.18 # jaebird: Yes, I received it, thanks. I haven't had a chance to see if I can fix Rockbox to play it though. 17.07.24 # *spambotsearch* 17.07.26 # :DDD 17.08.01 # poor kostas my friend..... 17.08.06 # I will not tell him though 17.08.24 # It was a very idiotic thing to do. 17.08.45 # * safetydan curses 565 swapped displays 17.09.08 # XavierGr :)) 17.09.13 # safetydan: sim? 17.09.15 # yeah 17.09.22 # goodie 17.09.28 # SDL has nice functions to map the lcd buffer 17.09.40 # except it doesn't seem to handle 565 swapped 17.09.48 # would be surprising if it did 17.09.58 # Can SDL handle the greyscale LCDs like that? Or the remotes? 17.10.01 # linuxstb: does the ipod color show the same lcd artifacts as the non color...i noticed them in the sim as well 17.10.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.10.21 # linuxstb, that's the other problem, no surface less than 8-bits 17.10.21 # jaebird: It shouldn't. What artifacts do you mean? 17.10.41 # safetydan: no, it only supports really common stuff 17.10.42 # safetydan: Then you can't really blame the byte-swapped 565. Most Rockbox formats won't work. 17.10.43 # so don't depend on it 17.10.53 # hard to describe, kinda like tiny little serifs on things like the battery indicator 17.11.09 # jaebird: you don't like our new serif generator? 17.11.22 # ? hehe 17.11.30 # * preglow nudges jaebird 17.11.31 Quit Bger (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.11.35 # joking around 17.11.38 # gotta hit the shops, later 17.11.42 # linuxstb, yeah I know, but it was so nice and elegant until I realised I had to deal with 565 swapped 17.11.50 # maybe it is a theme thing 17.13.26 # safetydan: You could still do it for those supported formats - and fall back on the current method for everything else. 17.13.49 # But isn't the H300 sim a mixture of rgb565 and the mono remote? 17.14.05 # yes it is 17.14.14 # So it won't work there either? 17.14.14 # but that's two seperate drawing paths in the sim at the moment 17.14.26 # no 17.14.35 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 17.14.40 # So the only sim it will work on is the iPod VIdeo :) 17.15.18 # well... yeah :) 17.15.52 # Any luck with the audio? 17.16.03 # got sidetracked with the surface stuff 17.18.33 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 17.19.46 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@69.250.93.218) 17.21.42 # linuxstb: ok I can describe it...little vertical line after the time and squished last letters on some rows in the file browser 17.24.31 # This is on the Photo/Color sim? 17.25.08 Join webguest91 [0] (n=5087f357@labb.contactor.se) 17.25.53 # no on the grayscale pod and grayscale sim 17.26.03 # safetydan, what are the min and max values for 'Q', some guy says he can insert a value of 0.1, which it accepts 17.27.02 # jaebird: OK, I misunderstood then. Yes - the sim and the real target will have identical bugs in the lcd display code. 17.28.25 # which is really cool...they are the same :) 17.28.52 # my question is whether the color had the same bugs? 17.29.06 # No, the color is perfect :) 17.29.14 # dang 17.29.49 # are these problems driver related? 17.29.53 # Rockbox uses a single 16-bit colour LCD driver for all the colour targets - iPods and iriver H300. amiconn (who at the time owned neither) did the work to implement it. 17.30.52 # There is the high-level drawing code which is shared amongst different targets with similar LCDs, and then the low-level drivers. 17.30.58 # webguest91, that shouldn't be possible through the menu or GUI 17.31.12 # webguest91, for config files there's no protection 17.31.32 # The problem with the iPod grayscale is that it requires a new format of framebuffer, so the high-level drawing code has to be implemented again to work with it. 17.31.38 # webguest91, min for Q is 0.5 and max is 6.4 17.31.48 # webguest91, though doing anything other 0.7 for the shelf filters is madness 17.32.08 # safetydan, thats what we have told him, but he's adamant, it must have been through a cfg file then 17.32.34 # safetydan: why madness? 17.32.35 # btw...the m4a skipping i was seeing must have been fixed with latest cvs...or the default rockbox theme is less cpu than the one i was using 17.32.44 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@82.216.143.7) 17.33.19 # Lear, I exagerate, but preglow has said it doesn't make sense to change the Q for those shelf filters 17.33.33 # jaebird: Yes, a graphical WPS can be quite CPU intensive. 17.34.11 # Also, if your WPS has a peakmeter, that will slow things down. 17.34.26 # thanks for the info 17.34.30 Quit DangerousDan ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 17.34.34 Part webguest91 17.34.47 # safetydan, well good to know at least. :) 17.35.08 # seeking doesn't work in flac? 17.35.27 # maybe the option should be removed then? 17.35.38 # when i try it just restarts the song 17.36.10 # mikachu: flac seeking should work if the file has a seek table. 17.36.39 # some encoders create one, other's dont. Easy to add if missing, or so I've heard. 17.36.45 # okay 17.37.05 # Lear, well, it doesn't make sense to change it, but people do what they will and sometimes they like the results even if they don't make sense 17.37.37 # Yeah, like that "warm" sound from the resampler... :) 17.37.58 # I loved preglow's answer to that 17.40.10 # --seekpoint? 17.40.22 # Mikachu: Use "metaflac" to add seekpoints. 17.40.51 # e.g. "metaflac --add-seekpoint=3s *.flac" 17.41.03 # thanks 17.41.20 # Most flac files have enough padding at the start that you can add seekpoints even every 1s without changing their size. 17.41.36 # Did you use dbpoweramp to create them? 17.41.52 # i didn't create them 17.42.11 # asking for a friend 17.42.29 # OK... Well, metaflac will fix them. 17.47.32 Join leftright [0] (n=5087f357@labb.contactor.se) 17.48.39 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 17.49.03 # safteydan, did you have a look at the cfg files inability to switch the EQ on or off ? 17.49.20 # not yet 17.50.42 # ha 17.50.45 # just looked at it then 17.50.49 # very easy to fix 17.51.01 # everyone will have to edit their config files though 17.51.15 # that was quick 17.52.25 # change the "eq enabled: yes" to "eq enabled: on" 17.52.30 # I think 17.52.32 # let me verify 17.53.04 # and off is no, or off 17.53.32 # off 17.56.35 # Yeah that looks like it. The "Save EQ Settings" thing was writing "yes" instead of "on" which won't work 17.56.37 # * safetydan fixes 17.57.52 # * leftright gives safetydan a 'cold one' 17.58.04 # chees 17.58.07 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 17.58.11 # cheers even 17.58.16 # :) 17.58.19 # Should have looked earlier. It was obvious as soon as I did. 18.01.34 # would it be possible to set the low and high Q deafualts to .7 while you're at it 18.02.26 Join Mindship-03 [0] (n=Jouke@62.221.202.178) 18.02.37 # or whatever is reccomended by you and preglow 18.02.38 # leftright, they are aren't they? 18.02.50 # Would it be hard to do pitch-detection in Rockbox? 18.02.59 # Or do you mean force them to be? 18.03.09 # yes that 18.03.50 # ah 18.04.06 # I asked preglow about that, he seemed to think that we should let people tweak them if they want 18.04.15 # just need to document that it makes almost no sense to change them 18.04.26 # yes, better to leave it as a option methinks 18.05.10 # but if the defaults are .7 thats ok, just a memory jogger 18.13.23 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.13.32 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.13.39 # thanks safetydan 18.14.00 Part leftright 18.14.52 # hi 18.18.22 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@freeshell.ORG) 18.22.00 Join webguest52 [0] (n=5087f357@labb.contactor.se) 18.22.15 # * webguest52 pounces on hardeep 18.22.34 # Would it be hard to do pitch-detection in Rockbox? 18.23.20 # umm, hardeep, aparently you are now doing the shebb's playlist patch, is that true ? 18.23.49 # er, i said i'd look at it 18.23.56 # don't know what you mean by "doing" 18.24.07 # ==looking :) 18.24.23 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor-proxy.qnet.com) 18.24.58 # Linus is aparently almost happy with it, but shebb couldn't get some minor detail right 18.25.27 # yeah, i'll take a look 18.25.33 # i like the idea behind the patch 18.25.34 # ta 18.26.10 # yes it's a great idea, will add great functionality 18.27.12 # thanks for looking hardeep 18.27.14 Quit Mindship-03 ("Leaving.") 18.27.15 Part webguest52 18.28.51 # what's pitch detection? 18.31.12 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 18.31.45 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-3e342287.pool.mediaWays.net) 18.35.32 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.40.36 Join DangerousDan [0] (n=Miranda@newtpulsifer.campus.luth.se) 18.46.56 Quit perplexity (Remote closed the connection) 18.47.07 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 18.52.41 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.02.59 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 19.03.51 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 19.05.33 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@80-192-125-37.cable.ubr09.az.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.07.56 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 19.09.27 Join mikearthur [0] (n=mike@80-192-125-37.cable.ubr09.az.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.10.02 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@217.9.226.114) 19.10.03 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 19.10.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.10.51 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.11.10 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.11.26 Join Kyle_ [0] (i=user@cpe-24-90-232-183.nyc.res.rr.com) 19.12.39 # I cant compile... cygwin... apperantly arm-elf-gcc wasnt found in my PATH and I followed the directions to the letter. 19.13.43 # where did you install gcc? 19.14.19 # The cygwin installer did it... but cygwin installed at C:\cygwin 19.15.55 # I even used the Rockbox mirror 19.16.09 # I selected every package and it installed 19.17.54 # Did you have cygwin set to download packages only, or to download and install? 19.18.20 # in C:\cygwin\usr\src theres a gcc-testsuite-3.4.4.rar 19.18.30 # Download and install 19.18.41 # Okay, you're on windows. Can you do a find-file for arm-elf-gcc.exe? 19.19.02 # yeah sure. hold on 19.19.41 # its searching now 19.19.48 # Aha... here it is 19.20.15 # arm-elf-gcc.exe is in C:\cygwin\opt\arm\bin 19.20.48 # Okay, open up the file .bash_profile in C:\cygwin\home\username\ where username is whatever you picked. 19.20.56 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-55-34.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.20.57 # And add this line at the bottom: PATH=${PATH}:/opt/arm/bin 19.21.40 # Then rerun cygwin and try again. 19.21.50 # there is none 19.22.06 # All thats there is the rockbox source code i put there 19.22.16 # and a .texmf directory 19.23.13 # I'm fairly certain cygwin creates on by default. Are you looking there with windows explorer, or in cygwin? 19.23.22 # both 19.24.08 # And in C:\Cygwin\Home\whatever\ there's no .bash_profile file? Hrm. 19.24.20 # Aha! I seached for them 19.24.26 # And theres two 19.24.52 # one is in C:\cygwin\etc\skel 19.25.15 # The other C:\cygwin\etc\defaults\etc\skel? 19.25.18 # other is C:\cygwin\etc\defaults\etc\skel 19.25.22 # Yeah 19.25.26 # edit both? 19.25.29 # No 19.25.33 # Copy one of those to your username folder 19.25.36 # Do you have a c:\cygwin\etc\profile ? 19.25.36 # Then add the line to it there. 19.26.31 # linuxstb:yes i do 19.26.48 # join #gentoo 19.26.53 # sorry 19.26.59 # There will be a "PATH = ..." line in there - add /opt/arm/bin to that. 19.27.01 # hi 19.27.23 # I use bootloader v3 since some time. Is it worth using the V5 for H300 ? 19.27.27 # to both that and .bah_profile? 19.27.34 # mirak: yes 19.27.37 # Kyle_: No, it only needs to be done in one place. 19.27.45 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 19.27.50 # oh ok 19.27.59 # Kyle_: do you have a prebuilt one ? 19.28.14 # its on the IriverBoot page 19.28.17 # in the wiki 19.29.07 # I got a usb bewcam, and was wondering if it would be ever possible to plug it to usb host 19.29.10 # would be fun 19.29.19 # webcam 19.29.26 # I found the $PATH 19.29.29 Quit mikearthur (Connection timed out) 19.29.32 # on it theres: 19.29.43 # PATH=/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH 19.30.07 # so where do I add that line? At the end of $PATH? 19.31.01 # It doesn't matter. Just do PATH=/opt/arm/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/X11R6/bin:$PATH 19.31.19 # Ok 19.32.44 # It works 19.32.45 Quit DrMoos ("Glory to Rockbox!") 19.33.08 # :) thanks 19.35.22 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.28 # now when i make I get make[1]: *** No rule to make target '../fonts/rockbox_default.bdf', needed by '/home/Kyl3/build/firmware/sysfont.o'. Stop. 19.36.43 # make: *** [all] Error 2 19.37.39 # That means you don't have a "fonts" directory. How did you download the Rockbox source? 19.37.51 # daily builds page 19.37.54 # ill try cvs 19.38.35 # Kyle_: I am not sure what it brings in plus 19.38.36 # Yes, CVS is better. Make sure you specify the "rockbox-devel" download, and not plain "rockbox". i.e. cvs -d:...etc... co rockbox-devel 19.38.39 # the v5 19.39.11 Quit NicoFR () 19.39.11 # linuxstb: Does rockbox-devel include the manual now, or is that still separate? 19.39.21 # Good question. I don't know. 19.41.38 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.be) 19.41.48 # I did co rockbox-devel... how is that better? just asking? 19.42.33 # It contains more files, but I forget which.... 19.42.39 # ah 19.42.47 # uisimulator, bootloader... 19.43.08 # Manual isnt seperate anymore 19.43.27 # I'm pretty sure "rockbox" only gives you the bare essential files needed to create a rockbox.zip, whereas rockbox-devel is supposed to be everything 19.44.07 # yeah its got normal, manual, devel, bootloader... and the rest in the choises. 19.44.14 # Compiles fine now 19.44.18 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.46.20 # Kyle_: Which ipod do you have? 19.46.39 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 19.46.59 # I dont have one 19.47.03 # I have an h300 19.47.51 # Why were you asking about arm-elf-gcc? 19.48.40 # Because my sister has a nano so just for kicks I was going to compile it for her... but I couldnt compile the h300 build ethier. 19.49.04 # OK. 19.50.20 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 19.50.42 # Well, you don't need to compile to install on Nano any more. There is a daily and bleeding edge, now. :) 19.51.25 # You need to compile the bootloader though, dont you? 19.51.36 # www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 19.51.56 # 's got the bootloader, and binaries for the utils you need. :) 19.52.17 # oh 19.54.55 # Hey is there anyway I can copy and paste the cvs code in the Cygwin window? 19.55.00 # Doesnt let me 19.55.25 # Click on the icon in the top-left of the window, then Edit.. then Mark... 19.55.34 # (I think...) 19.55.40 # That's it 19.55.58 # Then you highlight what you want to copy and hit enter. 19.55.59 # thanks 19.56.23 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 19.56.25 # If you don't hit enter, it doesn't actually copy it. 19.56.34 # oh 19.57.00 # I copied it... how do I paste it in the cygwin window 19.57.06 # irs usually right click 19.57.07 # but 19.57.15 # doesnt work 19.57.21 # * preglow summons ep0ch 19.57.26 # oh wait... duh 19.57.35 # will setting the recording location to "current directory" set it to the current directory when you selected that option, or whatever the current directory is before entering the recording menu? 19.57.40 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 19.59.38 # oh and.. the manual is a choise to config but you need to do co rockbox-all to get it 20.00.16 # well, if we really want developers to update it when they do new features, then i think it should come with rockbox-devevlk 20.00.21 # rockbox-devel too! 20.00.43 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders what devevlk includes. 20.00.57 # nevermind that, it's secret 20.01.09 # your box will implode if you check out anything from that one 20.01.19 # and then catch fire 20.01.37 # theres some pics of Im guessing linus and another dev stacking old archos players 20.01.40 # :P 20.01.58 # I've just discovered "rockbox" is "apps docs firmware fonts tools wps 20.01.58 # " and "rockbox-devel" adds bootloader, flash, gdb and uisimulator 20.02.19 # So now I know. 20.02.36 # Devel really should also include manual if there's to be any hope of people updating it themselves. 20.03.02 # I don't really care - it's not hard to type "cvs co manual". 20.04.48 # True 20.05.09 # rockbox-all soesnt have manual apperantly ethier 20.05.15 # doesnt* 20.07.29 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@port547.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 20.07.40 Part Kyle_ 20.20.06 # i wonder how much overhead the gui and everything is 20.20.13 # a lot of our codecs struggle quite badly on ipod 20.20.41 # LinusN: did you start fiddling with the new directory scheme thing? 20.22.19 # preglow: I'm sure it's significant. 20.22.40 # preglow: sort of 20.23.26 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-099-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.23.45 # linuxstb: i'm thinking of stealing some linux asm code for mem* and str* 20.23.54 # Sounds good to me. 20.24.24 # Have you looked for other sources though? 20.24.31 # not at all 20.25.25 # It's probably worth a quick google - I'm looking now. 20.25.52 # guess that's true, arm is a pretty popular platform 20.27.47 Quit Vertigo_tdl (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.29.40 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 20.32.26 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 20.35.28 # anyone think the panasonic hje70 are good_ 20.37.20 Quit Xerion (" ") 20.41.38 Quit Musicmad ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 20.42.50 # haven't even heard of 20.43.45 # I emailed the ffmpeg-devel mailing list this afternoon to ask if they could recommend any video codecs for Rockbox - the answer was mpeg1 in AVI, or maybe something even older than that. 20.44.29 # did you also ask them if something was happening on the aac front? :> 20.44.38 # :) 20.45.45 # if they did an aac codec, i'd happily port it to fixed point 20.46.15 # i think i'm starting to get good enough with fixed point to do something like that now 20.46.40 # Don't fancy WMA then? :) 20.47.28 # hmm, there's always that 20.48.11 # as always, might be worth it for the excercise 20.48.18 # fix spelling errors at your leisure 20.48.28 # Nah, I understand.. 20.53.34 # If you ported WMA you'd make hundreds+ of people that aren't me quite happy. 20.53.49 # yeah, another ego boost 20.54.20 # but no, it'd be wonderful exercise 20.55.11 # WMA on iPod would grab some headlines.... 20.55.19 # lol 20.55.26 # oh well 20.55.30 Quit CrookedRain () 20.55.34 # if i do decide to look at it, it won't happen for several weeks yet 20.55.34 # and even .rm! 20.56.16 Join tucoz [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 20.56.18 # Maybe WMA on iPod isn't such a good idea. Isn't that supposed to be one of the warning signs for the Apocalypse? 20.56.32 # preglow: I would be happy to try and extract it from ffmpeg and write a Rockbox codec. I think I've got a half-done version somewhere already. 20.56.35 # preglow, what about dumb? hehe, that would be cool. 20.56.48 # the first rider of the apocalyple is called Wmaonipod in hebrew 20.56.58 # a zillion new fileformats supported 20.57.28 # tucoz: the problem with that is that it requires significant hacking to the playback system 20.57.33 # i'm not that big a man yet 20.57.40 # linuxstb: sounds wonderful 20.58.09 # lostlogic seem to have no fear in that area. Maybe he's tough enough for the job. 20.58.31 # he is, no doubt 20.58.50 # what he's done already seems to be wonderful 20.59.02 # But first someone would have to come up with a way to mix buffering of the different categories of files, right? 20.59.59 # the entire problem, if you ask me, and i am of course right in this matter, is that we need a way to make each codec load its own files 21.00.02 # :-) 21.00.24 # But, as a start the libdumb could be a viewer (or are the codecs viewers as well?). Not have it in the playback system. 21.00.41 # preglow: the author how posted the half-done WMA codec posted a new version a while back 21.00.41 # tucoz: yeah, true enough 21.00.43 # http://www.rokulabs.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=2123&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45&sid=54b9fed92b5eb01134399240a9bc0d94 21.00.50 # if you're interested of course 21.01.00 # midgey34: i completely forgot about him 21.02.42 # IIRC, it was a lot less than half-done. But it could be a better starting point than ffmpeg. 21.03.03 # yeah, i'd bet 21.03.09 # oh, there's still lots of work 21.03.26 # you could also email the author who did the fixed point conversion 21.03.55 # dtaubert on the Roku forums 21.04.10 # Wasn't there also the ffmpeg dev who was talking about integerising his Realaudio Cook decoder and WMA? 21.05.59 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@195-112-44-166.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 21.06.33 # would be nice :> 21.06.41 Join Vertigo_tdl [0] (n=vertah@61.68.134.89) 21.07.08 # BTW, has hell frozen over? Rockbox is running on the iPod, and we're discussing porting WMA.... 21.07.27 # no, but i believe there was some talk of the apocalypse 21.07.30 # The End Times, I tell you! 21.07.33 # which i think is altogether more likely 21.09.02 # preglow: do i still need to be summoned? 21.09.41 # ep0ch: yeah, you compared some rockbox codecs with what foobar spat out, yes? 21.09.48 # preglow: yup 21.09.55 # ep0ch: and i think i remember you did a comparison for musepack too 21.10.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.10.22 # preglow: yes i think so 21.10.26 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@port547.ds1-oebr.adsl.cybercity.dk) 21.10.32 # remember if you found the output was identical? 21.10.39 # linuxstb, I think what you said sums up pretty much what rockbox is about. Make good hardware run good software. The unlimitness of the project. Make the impossible possible. 21.10.43 # preglow: all codecs seemed to give a good output expect mad 21.10.48 # 'cause we have a bug in musepack code now, and i'm just wondering if it's mine or theirs 21.10.50 # except 21.10.53 # ok, so i can actually assume it's mine 21.11.01 # the first and last samples of a musepack track are wrong 21.11.08 # ohhh 21.11.09 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 21.11.26 # which somewhat destroys gapless playback 21.11.35 # i'll run the tests again 21.11.54 # no biggie 21.11.56 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-196-195-215.netcologne.de) 21.12.10 # yeah probably do it tomorrow 21.12.20 # david bryant already did so for musepack 21.12.27 # and found the first and last samples to be broken 21.14.33 Part tucoz 21.17.16 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 21.18.21 # hi guys - I'm working on original iriver style directory browsing, can somebody confirm that I should look in tree.c .) 21.18.25 # :) 21.18.39 # what kind of browsing would that be? 21.19.32 # when cursor hits bottom of the screen it jumps to the top of the screen amd continues. 21.19.34 # if that makes sense. 21.19.41 # much better for the slow iriver screen. 21.19.47 # imho 21.20.37 # well, that sounds like another setting... 21.20.40 # So, basically, pagedown upon reaching the bottom of the page. 21.20.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes. 21.21.03 # ahh, like that 21.21.10 # yeah, that might be better 21.21.24 # preglow: yes - it's a low better I think. 21.22.00 # it's probably an easy change too (but will take me a while since I know zero c. But I'll pick it up. 21.22.13 # should be easy, yes 21.23.11 # hopefully yes. 21.24.11 # what interval does the wheel on ipods have in button.c? 21.24.45 # preglow: I should look in tree.c right :) 21.25.00 # Musicmad: perhaps? i'm surprisingly ignorant when it comes to most of rockbox 21.25.22 # heh yes - that's a surprise. But thanks anyway :) 21.28.04 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa175.2.tellas.gr) 21.28.07 # LinusN? 21.28.45 # Bad news: My player is compleatly unresponsive/bricked 21.28.54 Quit Xerion (" ") 21.28.54 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 21.29.07 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.29.39 # freedom2disconnect.net 21.30.01 # A great ISP.... 21.30.10 # i can see 21.30.14 # we've got those here as well 21.30.34 # persistent connections? fuck off! 21.30.48 # all we're supposed to do is browse the web anyway 21.35.21 # can you set the backlight to different brightnesses on the nano? the apple firmware fades it out... i don't want fadeouts but maybe to not turn on full brightness to save some battery 21.35.34 # grammar of the day 21.35.51 # haha 21.36.02 # can the apple firmware control the brightness? 21.36.04 # news to me 21.36.16 # not control, but it fades out instead of just going blip 21.36.25 # ahh, yeah 21.36.31 # that'll come when i code support for the timer.c module 21.36.35 # which suggests you can control th ebrightness 21.36.47 # say i wanted to hardcode halfbright, where would i do it? 21.36.51 # rockbox supports it for iriver 21.37.00 # I hear the 1gb Nanos have a dimmer backlight hardware-wise. 21.37.05 # you would do so in backlight.c, but you can't yet 21.37.13 # At least, people say it appears dimmer. 21.37.14 # 1? there are only 2 and 4 iirc 21.37.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: oh, i was worried they'd changed the hardware 21.37.28 # #elif CONFIG_BACKLIGHT == BL_IPOD4G 21.37.29 # /* brightness full */ 21.37.29 # outl(0x80000000 | (0xff << 16), 0x7000a010); 21.37.33 # could i change that number? 21.37.38 # Mikachu: i don't know... 21.37.42 # i'll give it a shot 21.37.45 # sure 21.37.46 # Mikachu: They just released the 1gb. 21.37.47 # nothing'll be hurt 21.37.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: ah 21.37.57 # Preglow: Well, I've just read mention of it appearing dimmer, the article was very vague. 21.37.58 # just change the 0xff part 21.38.11 # But, any difference means the potential for more differences. =/ 21.38.13 # yeah, i figured the others are adresses or something 21.38.39 # why does it take so long to shut down? 21.38.41 # correct 21.38.45 # Mikachu: no idea 21.40.31 # when i plug in the cable you just reboot without that shutting down stuff... 21.40.53 # yes, and that might not be a very clean reboot... 21.41.00 # * preglow pokes linuxstb 21.41.07 # hm 21.41.21 # that disk mode works worse than the one from the apple firmware 21.41.27 # what? 21.41.31 # we don't have a disk mode 21.41.34 # that is apple's disk mode 21.41.37 # i mean the monochrome one 21.41.42 # riiight 21.41.43 # the color one works a lot better 21.41.43 # yes, it does 21.41.44 # it's slower 21.41.45 # Mikachu: that's Apple's failsafe disk mode. 21.41.57 # it's pretty much meant to work no matter what 21.41.58 # it's slower and less colorful, but it works even if the HD is zeroed out. 21.41.59 # so i guess it's cool 21.42.22 # yeah okay 21.42.33 # so maybe i wasn't patient enough, i thought it crashed :) 21.42.46 # it takes less than a second in full mode to copy the rockbox binary 21.42.55 # yup 21.42.57 # it's heaps faster 21.43.26 # Yes, reboot on usb should do a clean shutdown - but it doesn't. 21.44.04 # hm, if i change the backlight code, do i want to recompile the bootloader or rockbox? 21.44.13 # Just Rockbox. 21.44.21 # then it isn't working with the number :) 21.44.29 # what happens? 21.44.32 # and what did you put there? 21.44.39 # i tried 8f and 1f, same brightness 21.44.50 # is that so 21.44.52 # what about 00 ? 21.46.03 # Mikachu: Do you have a Nano? 21.46.15 # still full 21.46.17 # if he's just pretending all this time, i'll be surprised 21.46.17 # linuxstb: yeah 21.46.20 # hehe 21.46.24 # Then you're changing the wrong code... 21.46.45 # Look about 3 lines down in backlight.c 21.46.46 # oh right, i confused BL_IPOD4G and the keypad stuff which uses 4G 21.46.51 # heh, i'm stupid 21.49.33 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.49.36 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.55.37 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-226-206.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 21.58.19 # does anybody know in which file directory/file browsing resides :) 21.58.20 Join webguest32 [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 22.03.06 # preglow: i commented out a few lines in shutdown_hw and it went a lot faster, i think it hanged somewhere and the 8 second timeout got it 22.03.20 # preglow: sorry if you're the wrong person for this but i'm not sure which people here are devs :) 22.03.47 # Musicmad: apps/tree.c 22.04.12 # preglow: ata_flush through mp3_shutdown, afai understand those things aren't present on the nano anyway 22.04.39 # "those things" being? 22.04.49 # ata and mp3 decoder 22.04.52 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c211211.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.05.07 # both ATA and mp3 decoder is indeed in the nano model too 22.05.32 # surely not a hardware mp3 decoder? 22.05.36 # nopes 22.05.55 # the playback code is different for the ones with hw decoder 22.06.58 # thanks Bagder: trying to make it do a pagedown when it hits the button, so maybe had a look at tree.c to with no luck. I'm currently investigating list.c instead. Makes sense? 22.07.06 # button = bottom. 22.08.05 # well, i'll narrow it down to one of those lines first 22.08.28 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.11.25 # not so surprisingly it was the while loop 22.12.09 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.12.27 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.15.11 Part Pi 22.15.22 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.17.05 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.17.13 # i think the problem is ata.c never sets sleeping = true for the ipod, so it always spins in the loop 22.17.29 # i would almost say i'm sure that's why since setting sleeping = true fixes it 22.21.24 # You mean the while(ata_disk_is_active()) loop? 22.21.28 # yeah 22.21.37 # ata_disk_is_active returns !sleeping 22.21.48 # and sleeping is set inside #ifndef ipodnano 22.22.08 # Yeah, because sleeping it on Nano caused it to stop responding until you rebooted. 22.22.37 # well, you should still fix the variable so it doesn't spin in the loop 22.22.58 Quit zhilik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.24.30 # hmm 22.24.37 # what's status on iPod Video Rockbox? ;) 22.24.44 # Mikachu: Would setting sleeping=true for the Nano (without actually sleeping) inside ata_perform_sleep() work? 22.24.45 # SereRoKR: it's a-ok, but no sound 22.25.01 # yeah that's good, better than iPodLinux :> 22.25.57 # of course we are! 22.26.17 # lol yey 22.26.27 # will the Gameboy emulator work on iPod? 22.26.39 # linuxstb_: it seemed to work 22.26.47 Quit Bger ("My damn controlling terminal disappeared!") 22.26.54 # SereRoKR: i had no luck 22.27.13 # Mikachu: what happened? 22.27.16 # would be cool if it would work ;> 22.27.28 # it shut down in 1 second instead of waiting 8 seconds 22.27.44 # (the one set in sys_poweroff) 22.28.04 # I meant when you tried rockboy 22.28.08 # oh 22.28.09 # sorry :) 22.28.13 # :-) 22.28.15 # well, the emu started but no game 22.28.19 # i could go to the menu and exit fine 22.28.33 # and when i say ipod i still mean ipod nano 22.28.35 # weird 22.29.08 # The Nano doesn't work with Rockboy yet, if I recall. It assumes that if you have a color screen, it can display at full resolution for the games, which isn't true on Nano 22.29.42 # Yes, someone needs to write the code to downscale the Gameboy's display to fit on the Nano's screen. 22.29.52 # it didn't compile by default, i just changed the makefile to test it 22.29.57 # which is why i didn't complain 22.29.59 # Also, only the four direction keys and "start" are mapped to keys on the ipod. 22.30.08 # ah, righy. its a resolution difference 22.30.31 # is it only gb or also gbc? 22.30.42 # It's both - it's a port of gnuboy 22.31.28 # wiill it work on Video iPod? ^^ 22.31.40 # Yes, I think it does. 22.31.50 # * linuxstb_ checks.... 22.32.01 # gvc 22.32.02 # gbc <- 22.32.10 # gnuboy by default, is only gbc 22.32.20 # that's why we still have display problems on games that use gbc features 22.32.25 # does anybody knows why it says this when I try to build an 1X0 sim: /bin/ld: skipping incompatible /rockbox/build/libbitmapsnative.a when searching 22.32.25 # for -lbitmapsnative 22.32.27 # SereRoKR: No, it doesn't work. The LCD display is wrong. 22.32.33 # but the colour code has been ripped out in rockboy 22.32.42 # I thought that was back in now? 22.32.46 # won't you want to rip it back in sooner or later? 22.32.54 # linuxstb_ what means that the LCD display is wrong? 22.32.59 # Mikachu: perhaps... 22.33.15 # not that i'd use it a lot, i have a gba :) 22.33.19 # hahaha 22.33.29 # i tried to persuade a friend of mine to code on rockboy the other day 22.33.32 # he too had a gba... 22.33.35 # but you know, it's still cool :) 22.33.47 # a nice pink one 22.33.54 # SereRoKR: I mean that the display is wrong.... I'm about to try to fix it though. 22.34.03 # mine is black with lots of dust inside the screen from when i installed a backlight 22.34.13 # ahh, this is a newer one 22.34.21 # maybe a gba sp then 22.34.25 # ok linuxstb_ :> 22.34.29 # it's one of those foldable ones 22.34.40 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 22.35.11 # i hope the apple firmware won't be sad if i rmdir Contacts and Calendars 22.35.22 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 22.35.30 # Mikachu: i've wiped everything 22.35.40 # Mikachu: it still smiles, even though i know it doesn't mean it 22.35.46 # Mikachu: and i have to select language all the time now 22.35.46 # heh 22.35.51 # what's the current stat on Sound on Video? ;> 22.35.56 # SereRoKR: 0% 22.35.59 # i think i can spare the 50 kB used for settings etc 22.36.02 # that suxx ^^ 22.36.04 # SereRoKR: and it doesn't look good 22.36.32 # why? :/ 22.36.48 # because it's a lot of work 22.37.01 # we have to reverse engineer the apple firmware to see how it works 22.37.10 # how did you get it work on nano? 22.37.17 # and that's 1. really, really boring, 2. difficult, 3. time consuming 22.37.20 # SereRoKR: ipodlinux 22.37.26 # SereRoKR: we just borrowed their code 22.37.31 # lol :> 22.37.37 # how did they get it work so fast 22.37.42 # it wasn't fast 22.37.53 # The Nano sound is identical to the 4Gs 22.37.58 # oh 22.38.01 # ahh, like that 22.38.11 # So the existing code just worked when Apple released the Nano. 22.38.24 Join webguest68 [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 22.38.28 # yep 22.38.38 # But the existing code doesn't work on the Video. That's about all anyone knows at the moment about it. 22.38.56 Join mozetti_ [0] (n=mozetti@p54A853EF.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.39.04 # so you have to disassemble the Apple Firmware? 22.39.09 # yes 22.39.11 # Someone has to.... 22.39.19 # yeah 22.39.24 # probably is going to be us, the way it looks now 22.39.27 # ipodlinux people doesn't seem to care about it 22.39.28 # SereRoKR: which is *very difficult* 22.39.30 # no-one wants to right? 22.39.33 # preglow: not true :-) 22.39.34 # and we've been piggybacking on their code so far 22.39.34 # Or maybe physically disassembling an ipod would help as well. 22.39.40 # josh_: 22.39.44 Quit webguest32 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.39.45 # josh_: so you've got someone on it? :> 22.39.54 # preglow: yes. me and aegray are both working on it. 22.39.59 # josh_: cool 22.40.03 # josh_: didn't know that 22.40.04 # nice o.O 22.40.06 # it's just very slow going 22.40.10 # josh_: i can imagine 22.40.15 # what kernel does rockbox use? 22.40.15 # Any clues yet about how it works? 22.40.18 # we've isolated some of the BCM-calling functions, but we don't really know how they're used yet. 22.40.38 # So is audio definitely only possible via the BCM? 22.40.41 # SereRoKR: the Rockbox kernel ! 22.40.47 # nice :> 22.41.03 # very small 22.41.14 # lol ok 22.41.26 # hell yes 22.41.29 # you can't get much smaller 22.41.33 # which is why we rule! 22.41.35 # \o/ 22.41.42 # yes, small is good here 22.42.34 # hm i think rockbox more rulez than iPodLinux :> 22.42.36 Quit Xerion (" ") 22.42.46 # of course we do 22.42.48 Quit Musicmad ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 22.43.13 # but yeah, to be fair, we do different things 22.43.27 # SereRoKR: It seems that only "full-screen" mode is broken in Rockbox on the 5G. It works in normal mode. 22.43.39 # yep but i think the target is the same -.- 22.43.58 # you both want to create a firmware replacement 22.44.39 # It's hardly the same, since one is designed with a focus on music playing, and the other multi-purpose utility. 22.45.05 # yey but music playing is more important -.- 22.45.12 # SereRoKR: I meant Rockboy..... 22.45.20 # That's like comparing a small swiss army knife with a bowie knife. Yeah, the target of both is to "cut things" but you'll notice both still have their places. :) 22.45.24 # 13:40 < linuxstb_> So is audio definitely only possible via the BCM? 22.45.28 # linuxstb_: that we don't know yet 22.45.34 # yep linuxstb_ thx ;> 22.45.34 # we're mainly trying to get a reasonable-speed LCD 22.46.06 # hm has Rockbox a better Power Management than iPL? 22.46.18 # nah 22.46.27 # but rockbox does less, so we might last a bit longer 22.46.34 # ;> 22.47.08 # there's nothing yet that could me bring back to iPL but the better Design of Podzilla 2^^ 22.47.16 # josh_: The LCD speed on the 5G isn't a big issue in Rockbox. I'm playing Rockboy as we speak... 22.47.30 # on a 5G linuxstb_? 22.48.02 # yes 22.48.09 # linuxstb_: what speed are you getting? 22.48.11 # so i should try it too ^^ 22.48.12 # (in FPS) 22.48.17 # and is Rockboy a GB emu? 22.48.28 # is it very hard to install rockbox? 22.48.29 # josh_: yes, its a gnuboy port 22.48.40 # SereRoKR: easier than ipl 22.48.46 # really? 22.48.52 # no fiddling with partitions 22.48.59 # i got windows 22.49.00 # ;) 22.49.09 # there's an iPL INstaller for windows 22.49.09 # ^^ 22.49.11 # i have doors 22.49.15 # :P 22.49.28 # i will change to Mac OS X in i think 2 weeks ;) 22.50.02 # josh_: I don't understand the stats that Rockboy displays - it's telling me "FPS: 30 4" 22.50.11 # But it's not 30 fps 22.50.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation <- is that same for 5G? 22.50.30 # I've done some tests with the Rockbox "starfield" plugin, and I think I got about 18fps 22.50.52 # linuxstb_: I *think* that means that the game is being played at 30fps, but it's being displayed with a frameskip of 4. 22.51.13 # sounds logical 22.51.23 # For iPod Color/Photo users - bootloader-color.bin, for iPod 4G (Grayscale) users - bootloader-4g.bin and for iPod Nano users - bootloader-nano.bin <- eh which bootloader should i downoad for my iPod Video? 22.51.34 # Sorrry, starfield was 14fps on the video, 33fps on my 4G color. 22.51.55 # (and 36fps on the iriver H140) 22.51.59 # 80fps on nano... 22.52.08 # gosh 22.52.09 # linuxstb_: does RB always update the whole LCD, or only the dirty part of it? 22.52.13 # need help :> 22.52.25 # which bootloader should i use for my 5G 22.52.28 # Mostly only the dirty part I think. But starfield was doing full-screen updates. 22.52.53 # linuxstb_: I've timed it for full-screen updates, and it takes 120-140 ms. I don't see how that could work with 18 fps. 22.52.55 # SereRoKR: You will need to improvise and use a combination of the IpodInstallation page and the IpodBoot page. 22.53.06 # josh_: Install Rockbox and find out... 22.53.06 # wtf 22.53.15 # How do you get an FPS display in starfield? 22.53.21 # patching 22.53.22 # But I corrected myself - it was 14fps 22.53.32 # Ah 22.53.34 # that's still about twice as much as I thought possible 22.53.38 # I should still have the diff somewhere. 22.53.48 # that should also be easily optimisable 22.54.03 # http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/starfield_fps.diff 22.54.32 # "combination of the IpodInstallation page and the IpodBoot page." <- does it mean that i only need to download the video Bootloader from Ipodboot page? 22.55.05 # SereRoKR: Yes, download bootloader-video.bin from the IpodBoot page, but also read the instructions - there is an extra step not included on the main installation page. 22.55.17 Quit mozetti (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.55.29 # which step 22.55.30 # ^^ 22.56.26 # The step that starts "Ipod Video users also need to...." 22.56.57 # where do i have to do this step? 22.58.41 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.58.45 # hm, any idea which optimisation enabled by -O2 causes the build to fail? 22.59.09 Quit quobl (Client Quit) 22.59.10 # i'm not very hopeful someone will know, but this is the error 22.59.22 # thread.c: relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against symbol `switch_thread' defined in .icode section in /home/mikaelh/code/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(thread.o) 22.59.26 # /home/mikaelh/code/rockbox/build/librockbox.a(pcm_playback.o)(.icode+0xbc): In function `fiq': 22.59.29 # pcm_playback.c: relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against `.text.dma_stop' 22.59.54 # linuxstb: anyone tried on H300 ? 23.00.04 # linuxstb: I mean the refreshrate 23.00.05 # iPod Video users also need to extract the Broadcom (video processor) firmware using the command: ../tools/ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin <- how can i do this with ipodpatcher.exe? 23.00.21 # mirak: I don't think so. I think I asked at the time, and no-one was around. 23.00.28 # SereRoKR: You don't - you use ipod_fw.exe 23.00.36 # how? 23.02.29 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-55-34.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.02.33 # 1. i make this bootpartition.bin 23.02.44 # Just type the command - "ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin" 23.02.59 # then i do ipod_fw -o apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin -e 1 bootpartition.bin? 23.03.43 # Yes, plus the other line that creates "apple_os.bin" - Step 1d) 23.04.22 # ok 23.04.27 # did 23.04.31 # done 23.04.32 # ^^ 23.04.51 # now e) Create the new Rockbox-enabled image file containing the Rockbox Bootloader? 23.05.17 # or in Ipodboot Step 3? 23.06.35 # Yes - either. 23.06.39 # ok 23.07.29 # NOTE: iPod Video users should use the option "-g 5g" and you will need a copy of the apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin file that you extracted in step 1 in the current directory when running ipod_fw <- does it use the "apple_sw_5g_rcsc.bin" automatically 23.07.30 # ? 23.07.41 # Yes. 23.07.45 # good 23.07.54 # now just ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin? 23.08.01 # N = Number 23.08.06 # in my case 6 ;> 23.08.10 # Yes. 23.08.27 # And make sure you keep a copy of bootpartition.bin - you can use that to uninstall. 23.08.47 # i.e. just do ipodpatcher -w 6 bootpartition.bin in the future to restore the original firmware. 23.09.37 # how come the boot partition is 40MB or so, but what you extract and write back is just 5MB? 23.09.40 # ok 23.09.50 # yey :> 23.09.59 # works 23.10.01 # Mikachu: It's simply empty space. 23.10.19 # it wasn't all nulls iirc, i looked at it 23.10.20 # :D THX ;) 23.10.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.10.50 # But on the Nano and Video, the apple firmware has a "suspend-to-disk" mode where it writes the contents of RAM to the boot partition and then sleeps. 23.10.54 # which daily build should i use? 23.10.59 # color? Nano? 23.11.02 # video 23.11.08 # But there isn't a daily build for the video 23.11.12 # yes 23.11.13 # linuxstb: isn't that bad if we've written something else there? 23.11.27 # what can i do now? 23.11.31 # Mikachu: No - we write something in a good way. 23.11.46 # is there a document on the number of cycles each coldfire instruction takes? 23.11.55 # i mean, won't apple overwrite our stuff then? 23.12.11 # SereRoKR: Download it from here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip 23.12.20 # thx 23.12.53 # Mikachu: No - we attach our bootloader to the Apple firmware image in the boot partition and adjust the length in the header to match. 23.13.02 # just extract to the iPod Root right? 23.13.12 # linuxstb: o okay 23.13.19 # Yes - unzip it directly to the root. 23.13.20 # hm i think i found the flag 23.13.43 # * preglow vanishes 23.15.03 # works nice 23.15.51 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-56-247.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.16.07 # so where can i get rockboy to test? ;) 23.16.16 # You already have it. 23.16.25 # where? O.o 23.16.28 # Just copy a .gb or .gbc file to your ipod and "play" it. 23.16.47 # oh ok ;> 23.17.09 # hooray, it's -foptimize-sibling-calls 23.17.12 # But the key mappings are a bit dodgy at the moment - I just did the very minimal work to get it working on the ipods. 23.17.37 # is there any bigger font? 23.17.38 # ^^ 23.17.59 # something settings -> display -> browse fonts i think 23.18.07 # ok 23.18.10 # found :> 23.18.24 # markun: don't forget to commit your 6+12 font 23.19.04 # hooray, -Os made my rockbox.ipod 308K, it was 324K before :) 23.19.10 # now to see if it works... 23.21.05 # woop, it does 23.21.09 # now i need to get GB Roms o:o 23.21.10 # o.O 23.24.40 Quit arkascha (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.24.56 # doesn't look good :o 23.25.24 # As in "it's not visually appealing?" 23.25.52 # its unclear ^^ 23.26.06 # Unclear? 23.26.14 # blurry? too small? 23.26.21 # blurry ;> 23.26.41 # VERY Blurry 23.26.41 # ^^ 23.27.17 # Is it just being displayed in the top half of the screen? 23.27.30 # yes 23.27.38 # You need to toggle the fullscreen mode 23.28.15 # ok 23.29.25 # lol nice ;> 23.30.15 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.30.43 # is it slow like this because of the LCD Drivers? 23.31.05 # Yes, but also the emulator itself is quite slow. 23.31.21 # No work at all has been done to optimise it for the ipods. 23.32.20 # ok ;> 23.37.25 # now do TV out Playing and Frontrow support and it's perfect xD 23.38.31 # ok, I've got rb running on the 5g. 23.38.38 # me too ^^ 23.38.48 # how do I get starfield up> 23.38.50 # *up? 23.40.44 # menu->browse plugins->startfield 23.40.49 # ok, cool. 23.41.23 # wow, that's really quite a tolerable speed. 23.43.30 # Did you apply my "fps" patch? 23.44.12 # nope, I'm just eyeballing it. 23.45.03 # by doing a speed-scroll on the menu, I got 35 frames in 3 seconds on time, 40 frames in 4.5 seconds another time 23.45.23 # ("speed-scroll" = scroll for a while, release wheel - it keeps scrolling as fast as it can update the display) 23.45.44 # If you want, the patch is here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/starfield_fps.diff 23.46.27 # josh_, do you know if there is a way to disable that? 23.46.36 # If you turn off the stars, will it basically just update the LCD as fast as possible? 23.46.39 # it can get annoying 23.46.49 # i heard of doom for rockbox, is it playable on iPod 5G? 23.47.14 # The Rockbox Doom still has iPod issues at the moment. 23.47.19 # AFAIK, at least 23.47.25 # Vertigo_tdl: you can't, unless you get a more intelligent event model than one event per scroll - it will invariably lag on slow screens if you try to update the LCD at every scroll. 23.47.38 # iPL's Podzilla suffered from the same problem for a while. 23.47.58 # ah ok 23.48.11 # josh_: Are you using an old version of Rockbox? I think preglow "fixed" that problem by not queueing more than one scroll event at a time in Rockbox's button queue. 23.48.23 # (by old I mean more than about 24 hours old...) 23.48.44 # Mikachu: hm, do you think I should replace the 6x13 font by the 6+12x13 font or just add it? 23.48.45 # Yeah, preglow did fix it. Though it seems to have introduced a minor bug. 23.48.55 # Which is what? 23.49.07 # markun: i dunno, it has some problems in the viewer plugin but that's not really the fonts' fault 23.49.18 # also, will it use more memory than the 6x13 one? 23.49.20 # linuxstb: I'm using the one you pasted a few minutes ago. 23.49.23 # If the backlight is off, I've noticed that if I hit play, or some other actually button, it doesn't always react and light up the backlight. But if I move my finger at all on the touchpad, then press the button, it's fine. 23.49.24 # 14:12 < linuxstb> SereRoKR: Download it from here: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/rockbox-5g.zip 23.49.42 # is there doom? 23.49.53 # Mikachu: we have font caching. If the 6x13 font is too big for memory there will be no difference 23.50.09 # okay, well either is fine by me 23.50.10 # josh_: OK, then that's a day or two old. 23.50.28 # still, it provides a useful benchmark :-) 23.50.40 # SereRokR: No, Doom doesn't work on iPod yet. 23.50.46 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 23.50.53 # Yes - IMO, Rockbox would be usable on the 5g if we could get the audio working. 23.50.54 # oh :< 23.51.08 # Mikachu: about the viewer. I have a unfinished version of the viewer that was made for better unicode support and has codepage conversion, but I didn't have time for it for a long time 23.51.22 # good morning all 23.51.39 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.52.18 # markun: okay, is it usable? 23.52.28 # i want to look at lyrics that i have as textfiles.. 23.53.48 # how can i boot into apple os when iPod boots? O:o 23.53.51 # God! I wish all those bloody WPSes would be saperate from the daily builds....... 23.54.06 # XavierGr true 23.54.10 # LinusN: hey, pretty please with a huge freeking cherry on top... https://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1429679&group_id=44306&atid=439120 23.54.14 # SereRoKR: hold Menu 23.54.26 # O.o 23.54.29 # Not only that when I "make zip" all these have to be zipped and then extract to the target. 23.54.33 # Very tiresome 23.54.50 # XavierGr: rm -rf wps 23.54.52 # ok 23.55.01 # SereRoKR, you need to turn it off, and then tap and then hold menu really quickly.. as quick as you can 23.55.09 # ok 23.55.11 # did ;> 23.55.16 # "Loading original firmware" 23.55.16 # ^^ 23.55.30 # did it work? if you don't hold menu within like 1/2 a second it goes to rockbox, kind of annoying but i can live with it :) 23.55.34 # midkay: hm, you have to release it after you turn it on? that would explain why it didn't work sometimes :) 23.55.38 # Bagder: Thanks I will try that. Still the donwload problem remains. 23.55.46 # Mikachu, yes, you can't just hold it :) 23.55.50 # aaaahh 23.55.51 # And don't forget that when I will update my CVS it will donwload the files again 23.56.00 # XavierGr: vim CVS/Entries 23.56.01 # has to be click-release-hold :) 23.56.06 # XavierGr: get a faster network or update less often 23.56.15 # XavierGr: and remove the D/wps//// line 23.56.28 # I will try that too, 23.56.58 # we don't change wpses much so the download issue is moot when you use cvs 23.57.51 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl)