--- Log for 15.02.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 1 day ago 00.00.10 # nah 00.00.23 # and it would be advanced, with wifi! 00.00.34 # hey wait...Shadowwarrior...were you extracting the other firmware thing in the instructions 00.00.48 # the apple_sw_something_rcsc 00.00.49 # Yes. 00.00.50 # k 00.00.58 # just checkin ;) 00.01.01 # Was I supposed to do anything else with it? 00.01.31 # LinusN: After 9h benchmark, no changes in power with new USB patch. 00.02.00 # no 00.02.03 # just that one step 00.02.07 # Didn't think so. 00.02.21 # everything else should be alright 00.02.28 # anyone here in or around chicago 00.02.33 # its like 60 outside right now 00.02.48 # compared to 2 years ago's negative something... 00.03.01 # 75%... 00.07.56 # 90ish%... 00.08.01 # >.< 00.13.19 # DUDE 00.13.22 # IS IT DONE?!? 00.13.33 # Holy hell in a handbasket. 00.13.38 # wow, the excitement and builtup anticipation 00.15.08 # um 00.15.08 # no 00.15.18 # is there any site i can just upload it to? 00.15.28 # Jesus 00.15.33 # yes? 00.15.36 # wtf is wrong with your internet 00.15.38 # make a YSI 00.16.07 # not a damn clue 00.16.11 # just a sec 00.16.44 # k 00.16.49 # what's a YSI 00.17.07 # yousendit 00.17.56 # got it 00.18.43 # im uploading to a YSi 00.19.23 # And it'll take another hour. 00.19.24 # :P 00.19.48 # eh 00.19.50 # perhaps... 00.19.52 # we'll see 00.20.05 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.21.11 # hld on 00.21.14 # ill be right back 00.21.17 Quit Kensir () 00.25.08 # .... 00.25.10 # Goddamnit. 00.27.49 Join Kensir [0] (n=pandafus@cpe-66-87-151-238.il.sprintbbd.net) 00.27.56 # hey 00.28.08 # just logged off for a while to speed up the process 00.28.09 # it didnt 00.28.17 # apparently i just have really shitty upload rates 00.28.20 # go figure 00.28.26 # lol 00.28.28 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-62.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.28.29 # Still not done? 00.29.01 # no 00.29.08 # this is kind of frustrating 00.29.11 # >.< 00.38.01 # Dude, your internet sucks. 00.38.25 # What's the problem? 00.38.25 # rockbox doesn't work for my 5G, so he's sending me his rockboot.bin and seeing if I just suck. 00.38.25 # What problem do you encounter? 00.38.25 # Bootloader loads, I get a yellow rbx logo, then it goes straight to a frozen screen of a USB symbol. 00.38.25 # And no, it's not plugged in. 00.38.25 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-57-8.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.38.28 # And by "not plugged in" you mean not to a computer, or to a wall power supply? 00.38.28 # The dock connector is completely empty. 00.38.28 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.39.09 # Odd. It doesn't *sound* like it'd be a bootloader problem, since at that point you're past the bootloader and into rockbox proper, but there's all kinds of ways I could be wrong about that. 00.39.25 # I know. 00.39.55 # I don't get it either. 00.40.51 # you should get an email now 00.40.59 # Finally :P 00.41.03 # http://s44.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=101UTS6LS0N7D0JHPCKNL7R195 00.41.07 # And the "freezing with the USB logo" is a known bug that occurs when you try to boot it with USB plugged in, so that's really odd 00.41.27 # good luck 00.41.29 # i g2g 00.41.31 # food 00.41.32 # K,. cya 00.41.36 Quit Kensir () 00.42.15 # WHAT THE FUCK 00.42.24 # I seriously don't get this. 00.42.40 # .rockbox and rockbox.ipod are both in root, right? 00.42.50 # yes 00.43.25 # If it gets to showing the big USB logo, it's found the rockbox.ipod, loaded it, and attempted to enter USB mode. 00.43.35 # Now, why the hell is it doing that? 00.43.55 # What's it doing now? 00.44.01 # It's sitting. 00.44.04 # USB-y. 00.44.36 # So, it's still doing the same thing? 00.44.40 # Yup. 00.45.33 # And NOW I have Kensir's ipod theme. 00.46.03 # Well, you could always comment out the relevant code so it never attempts to go into USB mode, for the time being 00.46.14 # How would I do that? 00.47.46 # I'm not entirely sure where to look. I'd go and find the code that sets it to charge from USB when you hold menu, and make the condition always true instead. That'd be a very small change, and it'd probably bypass this problem. 00.47.50 # Though I'm curious what causes it. 00.48.36 # I have no clue what you just said, but damn I like your gusto. 00.49.34 Quit t0mas ("see you tomorrow") 00.50.14 # Though if you're using a bootloader that worked on someone else's 5g, and a clean CVS build and this is happening, that it seems like it's a hardware thing 00.50.49 # I'm not sure entirely how USB is detected. 00.50.58 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.58 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 01.02.27 Quit lostlogic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.04.19 Quit Thus0 ("Leaving") 01.06.52 Quit Shadowarrior13 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.11.55 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.16.58 Quit ender` (" Bus, n: vehicle on the other side of the road") 01.18.57 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.19.05 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-129-019.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.20.46 Quit Xerion (Remote closed the connection) 01.31.41 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 01.33.18 Join adiamas [0] (n=adiamas@12.109.187.84) 01.35.22 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 01.35.54 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 01.47.02 Quit spazzium () 02.00.41 # LinusN? 02.03.48 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa48.0.tellas.gr) 02.05.03 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 02.05.23 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.08.09 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 02.13.47 Join lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 02.27.34 # * BHSPitLappy breaks the inactivity! 02.27.45 # cute 02.29.01 # * Paul_The_Nerd puts it back together neatly. 02.32.55 Quit adiamas ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 02.34.53 # * BHSPitLappy kicks it again 02.37.07 Quit Cassandra (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- State of the art IRC") 02.46.46 Quit PaulJ (".") 02.51.07 Quit imphasing (Remote closed the connection) 02.52.48 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 02.56.35 Quit Xerion ("Leaving") 03.01.29 Nick ashridah is now known as Lost-ash (i=ashridah@220-253-121-62.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.11.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.43 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 03.16.45 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.35.12 # i'm going to go nuts if there isn't a dev around familiar with the lcd_mono_bitmap function. 03.37.25 # Why go nuts? 03.37.53 # because something's not working right and it makes no sense. 03.39.31 # Out of curiosity (since I'm not familiar with it) how's it not making sense? 03.40.34 # well, i actually can't really explain. i'm using the same syntax as EVERYWHERE ELSE in my code... bitmaps were converted correctly, as far as i know.. quadruple-plus checked the width/height values.. and yet they display corrupted. 03.42.05 # Odd 03.44.36 # oh. 03.44.45 # bmp2rb seems to be _reading_ them wrong or something. 03.45.34 # Hmmm. 03.45.55 # weird. saving them as 8 bit works. 4 bit doesn't. 03.45.58 # and yet that's what i did last time, iirc. 03.46.15 # bmp2rb only takes mono, 8 and 24 I thought 03.47.00 # not sure.. 4 worked for another bitmap though, i was sure of it. well.. never mind. :) thx anyways. 03.48.30 Join DT291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 03.48.31 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.48.34 Quit Seedy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.51.12 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.53.42 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 03.57.46 # yay! it works. 03.57.49 # *rejoices* 03.58.52 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.00.17 # Hehehe 04.00.18 # * Paul_The_Nerd cheers 04.01.42 # i guess it was worth the hour's worth of work! :) now.. hmm.. i think i'll completely redo the settings functions (working on my clock plugin) to be more dynamic and easier to change.. 04.09.42 Quit DT291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.11.03 Quit hardeep ("Read error: 2.99792458 x 10^8 meters/second (Excessive speed of light)") 04.12.08 # http://www.piettes.com/fallingsandgame/index.html 04.12.18 # is it possible for that to be ported? 04.13.14 # Arguably anything's "possible." It's more a matter of how well it'd run, and so forth 04.14.33 # drumrboy, wow, that looks really cool. 04.16.38 # its petty processor intensive 04.16.47 # www.fallingsandgame.com 04.16.49 # yeah, i don't think it'd run at all well 04.16.52 # prettyu* 04.16.55 # :/ 04.17.05 # at least a proof of concept would be cool :P 04.19.02 # it'd be a lot of work for sure :) 04.19.14 # i would do it... if i knew C 04.19.38 Join Cassandra [0] (i=Cassandr@elmyra.coraline.org) 04.23.52 Quit sucka (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.24.48 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-121-62.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.56.26 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-240-68.dsl.pipex.com) 05.01.42 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB271D4.ipt.aol.com) 05.11.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.13.33 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 05.18.32 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 05.19.58 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.20.51 Quit Xerion ("Leaving") 05.46.24 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-54-108.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 05.56.05 Join Paragon_ [0] (i=Arrogant@204.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 05.56.18 # * Paragon_ just slapped Rockbox into his iPod. 06.00.36 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.02.23 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 06.13.10 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.17 Quit XavierGr ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 06.18.13 Quit imphasing (Connection timed out) 06.20.52 # does anyone know what the 4g ipod's dpi is? would it be better to use 75 dpi or 100 dpi fonts for converting them to rockbox? 06.23.13 # * ashridah hands Zoide777 a ruler :) 06.23.34 # I don't know, but you can easily calculate the dpi - the colour LCD is 220x176, and the mono LCD is 160x128. Just measure the size of the LCD. 06.23.37 # Honestly, since the pixels are fairly visible, why don't you just look at the height of the characters? 06.24.25 # wouldn't the datasheet list the dpi? 06.24.35 # ipodlinux or rockbox's wiki is likely to have it... 06.25.10 # k, let me check 06.29.49 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.34.05 Join Xerion [0] (n=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 06.35.58 # arrrgg can't find the dimensions online, and i don't have a ruler 06.36.11 # doesn't matter, i'll just see which font dpi looks better 06.36.37 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 06.40.29 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzz") 06.45.33 # Zoide777: Which iPod do you have? The 4g grayscale? 06.48.57 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.54.31 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.55.21 Join kenrose [0] (n=kenrose@CPE0011950ae687-CM014270030837.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.55.28 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 06.55.35 # hey all 06.55.42 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp79-adsl-11.ath.forthnet.gr) 06.56.52 # yeah, in any case it seems like 75 dpi is the right font setting 07.07.52 Join vertah [0] (n=vertah@61.68.146.253) 07.10.23 Part Paul_The_Nerd 07.10.35 Quit midkay_ ("Leaving") 07.12.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.23.55 Part kenrose 07.30.17 Quit pabs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.34.45 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 07.35.47 # morning 07.35.55 # morning! 07.36.19 # ) 07.36.22 # ;) 07.36.32 # maybe it's more like evening for you ;) 07.36.37 # haha 07.36.55 # no I am an all-nighter. I have some jobs to do this morning. 07.38.30 # Bger: Did you called me the other day? 07.40.32 # no, i didn't 07.40.52 # I though you wanted to say something to me, but oh well... 07.40.54 # any news? 07.41.14 # ah, no, didn't have time yesterday 07.41.18 # okay 07.41.34 # i'll look at it today 07.41.57 # nice (if you have the time though, I don't want to press on you) 07.42.05 # np ;) 07.49.16 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 07.49.26 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-154.bna.bellsouth.net) 08.05.55 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 08.11.56 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.13.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=Miranda@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.13.35 Quit TCK ("well, if you say so.") 08.17.25 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.27.28 Join needleboy [0] (n=needlebo@CBL217-132-238-140.bb.netvision.net.il) 08.32.55 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@194-237-150-170.customer.telia.com) 08.49.08 Quit Paragon_ ("I AM QUIT HAVE A NICE DAY") 08.49.37 Join perl|bbq [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 08.52.30 Quit hyarion (zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 08.52.30 NSplit zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 08.52.57 NHeal zelazny.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 08.52.57 NJoin hyarion [0] (i=hyarion@shaka.acc.umu.se) 08.53.03 Join yeahx [0] (n=aarond@c-67-160-124-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 08.57.04 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD5763.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.57.13 # XavierGr: No changes in power with USB patch. 08.57.35 # in battery life ? 08.58.15 # :( 08.58.26 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.58.31 # morning 08.58.35 # oh! 08.58.39 # good morning amiconn. 08.58.49 # where have you been? 08.58.53 # morning;) 08.59.12 # yes 08.59.45 # Rob: I am really curious to learn what is the difference.... 09.01.40 Quit tvelocity ("Αναχωρεί") 09.01.51 # between iriver and RB in power consumption you mean? 09.02.10 Nick Rob2222_ is now known as Rob2222 (n=Miranda@ACB271D4.ipt.aol.com) 09.02.36 # yes 09.02.52 # difference in software handling I mean 09.04.08 # Who broke the win32 sim? :( 09.04.24 # (swcodec) 09.05.00 # Dan 09.06.22 # i think so too 09.08.18 # but aren't X11 and w32 simulators considered as obsolete ? 09.09.06 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.09.34 # yes I agree with Bg3r, let's get rid of them! 09.10.33 # Does the SDL Player sim now work correctly? 09.10.41 # yes 09.10.47 # though audio is choppy 09.10.52 # ?? 09.10.56 # sorry 09.10.58 # I mean archos player 09.11.07 # yes I misunderstood 09.11.19 # Last week the lcd was scaled incorrectly 09.12.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.17.49 # Are you talking about the charset lcd, or the aspect ratio for the bitmap lcd? 09.18.24 # (I assume you mean the charset, but is the bitmap OK?) 09.22.16 # charset lcd 09.23.11 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 09.23.28 # The bitmap aspect ratio isn't a big problem, although the win32 sim had the advantage that you could select either the correct aspect ratio or square pixels 09.23.40 # (by changing #defines) 09.23.59 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.25.56 # linuxstb: The iPod can be clocked down to 32 kHz ?? 09.26.33 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 09.27.57 # That's what the PortalPlayer "product brief" says. 09.31.52 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@195.27.52.9) 09.36.53 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-69-62.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.41.34 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-8-16.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.45.36 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 09.46.39 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.49.10 Join zhilik [0] (n=_if_you_@ppp85-140-15-163.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 09.50.15 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.56.56 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.01.26 Quit yeahx () 10.02.34 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.05.03 Join t0mas [0] (n=Tomas@unaffiliated/t0mas) 10.05.54 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 10.11.34 Join ddoddaa [0] (n=dc4b7bbe@labb.contactor.se) 10.11.38 # fuckyou 10.11.53 # come on yo 10.12.00 # mother fucker 10.12.10 # anyone? hahahahaha 10.12.19 Mode "#rockbox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 10.12.22 Kick (#Rockbox ddoddaa :B4gder) by B4gder!n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se 10.13.00 # ghehe 10.13.03 # 3 seconds faster 10.13.12 # * t0mas was just typing /chanserv op #rockbox 10.13.15 # :-) 10.13.41 # * t0mas spots DJ_Dooms_Day 10.13.49 # hi! Long time not seen? 10.13.59 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 10.14.12 # * Zagor looks at converting the SF XML to another tracker 10.14.37 # the only question is what to do with all the users 10.14.51 # 1. create accounts 10.14.56 # 2. strip user information 10.14.57 # Zagor: probably convert them into something like "SF user [blabla]" 10.15.03 # in a comment 10.15.16 # good idea 10.15.31 # but then the original poster can't change anything anymore? 10.15.58 # well, it *will* be a transition phase that takes some attention 10.16.09 # otherwise we'd have to add hundreds of user accounts first 10.16.27 # administering passwords for all those will be a nightmare 10.16.35 # I didn't say there was a better/nicer way ;) 10.16.39 # hehe 10.18.04 # Are you talking about another third-party tracker, or installing a tracker on rockbox.org? 10.18.36 # installing a tracker, i suppose 10.18.47 # yes 10.20.08 # hmm, i just realized that we have email for all users, in the form @sourceforge.net. so if I create proper accounts for people, everyone can get their pwd in email. 10.20.46 # well, my experience tells me a larger amount of users don't have that alias functional 10.21.30 # I frequently get mailed by users @sourceforge.net to which I can't reply 10.21.42 # silly enough 10.21.52 # I imagine there's a whole bunch of zombie accounts as well... no need to create those 10.22.15 # true 10.22.52 # maybe it's sufficient to ask everybody on both mailinglists to reregister wit h the new tracker? 10.23.28 # and try to e-mail everybody who has a working @sf.net e-mail address... If they don't have one... it's their fault that we can't contact them 10.23.59 # and we'd only need to mail those who have open tracker entries 10.24.53 # only? :D 10.24.59 # "only" yes 10.25.03 # spam spam spam 10.28.41 Quit amiconn () 10.31.16 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD5763.dip.t-dialin.net) 10.47.01 # * amiconn doesn't understand why many people deem the cygwin installer crap 10.47.18 # me neither 10.47.38 # and as usual with open source, they could proceed and help fixing it instead 10.47.40 # It was crappy back when the window didn't support resizing, 10.47.59 # but that was long ago 10.48.15 # Otherwise it's similar to linux package managers 10.48.22 # I just hate the fact that they store stuff in the registry 10.49.35 Quit Lynx_ (" reboot") 10.50.40 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-26-91.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.51.17 Join g33 [0] (n=c1cb5316@labb.contactor.se) 10.51.22 # hey guys 10.51.33 # i ran into a somewhat severe bug methinks 10.52.13 # do continue... 10.52.35 # im on a h140 btw 10.52.44 Join Lynx_ [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 10.53.06 # yesteday i went into that menu where you selec shuffle mode and stuff, tghe menu with the arrows 10.53.17 # then i hit the play button i think 10.53.28 # and then the player said "loading..." 10.53.33 # and just stayed like that forever 10.53.44 # and it started to get pretty warm 10.53.48 # so i reset it 10.54.00 # then it would hang every time i try and boot rockbox 10.54.31 # so i connected to usb, deleted the .rockbox dir and the iriver.rockbox and copied the latest versions onto the player 10.55.00 # and now when i try and boot rockbox, the rockbox logo shows really quickly, then fades to white (blue) then i cant see ANYTHING on the screen 10.55.14 # but the player seems to respond to the buttons somehow 10.55.35 # because if i hold stop, then it says "shutting down" and turns itself off 10.55.44 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 10.56.13 # g33 10.56.26 # so the bootloader tryes to load rockbox.iriver, yep ? 10.56.33 # g33, try connecting it to your computer and run a scandisk 10.56.34 # yeah 10.56.55 # im at work, cant do that now 10.56.58 # so, after starting loading ("model: ...") hold the rec 10.57.03 # the rec button 10.57.08 # this will reset the settings ... 10.57.13 # and if this doesn't help 10.57.27 # follow teh safetydan's advice 10.59.59 # the rockbox logo pic flashes for a second before it goes blank 11.01.07 # on the H340, if i press the down or up buttons long to scroll, the scrolling will continue for a while after releasing. can i change that behaviour? 11.01.39 # ttrange, i used to use the ipod theme on it, and it still got the ipod theme, even though i deleted all the rockbox files and installed new ones 11.02.13 # h sweet 11.02.15 # the reset worked 11.03.16 # Lynx_: that's a bug 11.03.16 # the settings are stored in a sector outside of the fat fs 11.03.34 # Zagor: ok, i thought so 11.03.35 # LinusN: Do you know whether the old Samsung tuner (archos fmr) can handle the japanese fm range? 11.04.12 # Lynx_, Zagor: It's not really a bug, but caused by the still slow lcd driver 11.04.17 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 11.04.35 # it is a unwanted feature :-) 11.04.40 # yep :/ 11.04.41 # hehe 11.04.49 # didn't this get worse when the backdrop was added? 11.04.56 # yes 11.04.56 # I bet 11.04.57 # a bit 11.05.20 # how do i scroll whole pages, like ON + down on achos? 11.05.30 # Play+Down 11.05.39 # thanks guys, gotta go back to work 11.05.43 Part g33 11.06.20 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.07.01 # amiconn: hmm, thought i tried that, thx 11.08.13 Quit zhilik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.08.26 Quit perl|bbq (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.10.42 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 11.12.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.14.31 # i guess skipping sound while scrolling in the filebrowser is also a known bug? 11.21.28 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.21.41 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 11.21.57 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.29.58 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-63-154.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.36.23 # any news on the 4g grayscale's display driver? i was wondering, does ipodlinux also have display problems on it? b/c if that were the case you could just borrow the code, right? 11.39.36 # It's simply just a work-in-progress and isn't finished yet. 11.40.24 # The problems are Rockbox-specific - it's the high-level framebuffer drawing code that's not finished. 11.45.32 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.45.33 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.47.14 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 11.48.43 # does any1 know a script to convert tabs to spaces in all files in a folder? 11.50.43 # I'm sure there are better ways, but I would do: mkdir NEW ; for a in *.txt ; do awk '{gsub(/\t/," "} ; print}' $a > NEW/$a ; done ; mv NEW/$a . 11.50.44 # # perl -pi -e 's/\t/\ /g' * 11.50.58 # There you go... Cryptic perl to the rescue. 11.51.01 # linuxstb: owned :) 11.51.22 # thanx.. i dunno if i have perl installed.. but ill try it 11.51.35 # linuxstb's is cleaner ;) 11.51.45 # yours is shorter :D 11.51.58 # What do the -pi and -e options mean? 11.52.18 # vca: does that change it to 1 space? or 4? 11.52.28 # oh, one 11.52.46 # replace "\ " with the # of spaces you want 11.54.28 # -e is 'expr argument as perl code', -pi is passthru and interactive .. passthru wraps -e in a while loop for each line read and -i applies it to $argv iirc 11.55.06 # though it is 5am and i was awakened for an on call mess so i could be recalling that wrong 11.55.45 # can u get it to go into subfolders? 11.56.29 # maybe with some find hackery 11.56.38 # You'll probably want to wrap it in a find - or use wildcards like "* */*" 11.56.52 # works fine.. apart from not doing subdirs.. but thats ok 11.56.55 # cheers dude 11.57.53 # vca: How does perl know to modify the files? I'm assume it writes to a temporary file and then renames? 11.59.07 # internally? i'm not wholly sure how it plays the fds, but it is atomic, which is why i've always used it for sed-in-place 11.59.35 # Checking "perl --help" - it's the -i option that means in-place. 11.59.58 # aha, so i had recalled it wrong 12.00.07 # weee.. made it a script :D no more tabs in my patches... linusn will be happy :p 12.00.46 # wait a sec, i'm propping up spaces over tabs? *stab* (j/k) 12.01.00 # Those are the rules.... :) 12.02.53 # JdGordon: your replacing a single tabl with a single space might get very funny results, indent wise 12.03.16 # tabs are not 1:1 whitespace 12.03.32 # no, changed it to 4 12.03.49 # still, it requires that you didn't also had spaces in there 12.04.15 # truth 12.04.17 # but I guess that'll soon show ;-) 12.04.26 # well if my damn text editor would keep "use tabs" unchecked i wouldnt have the problem :p 12.04.36 # get a better editor 12.04.51 # something like ^\s+ would do one better 12.05.09 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-129-019.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.05.35 # or even \s+ to catch multis 12.05.37 # it is actually not really doable in a simple regex 12.05.52 # its good enough... 12.06.02 # yeah not cleanly.. it's dirty hackery no matter how sliced 12.09.25 # uh oh.... 12.09.25 Quit Kiwiclx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.09.39 # or maybe not... 12.09.41 Join Kiwiclx [0] (i=froot@d180-163-tercero-c-1.ucdavis.edu) 12.09.55 Part petur 12.16.28 Quit needleboy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.19.43 # balls. i'm wide awake now.. guess i'm going into the office super early. how foreign. 12.29.17 Join needleboy [0] (n=needlebo@85-250-102-172.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.33.55 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-20.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.34.11 Quit ashridah (Nick collision from services.) 12.34.19 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-20.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.43.30 # sed also has -i for inplace changing 12.43.56 # if you have zsh you can do **/*.txt for all subdirs 12.44.23 # that's just GNU sed I'm pretty sure 12.44.24 # gnused? oh yeah? i had no idea. spending too much time on slowlaris 12.44.29 # thx for the tip 12.45.28 # lack of gnu sed was part of the reason i started using perl for regex work in many places 12.48.16 # solaris needs a massive amount of open source to become usable 12.49.56 Join perpleXa [0] (i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-179-001.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.50.08 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 12.50.31 # but hey, they even ship curl on their "companion software CD" ;-) 12.50.32 Quit youngcereal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.50.38 Join youngcereal [0] (n=youngcer@p54B20862.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.50.47 # morning 12.51.09 # B4gder: that it does! we're telecom, so a lot of these machines have a list of sancto-sancto pkgs.. but perl is on em ;) 12.54.40 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-75-38.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.56.24 # Shall I commit the gigabeat code after I've finished the simulator? http://130.89.160.166/Gigabeat/simulator.png 12.56.39 # Are there any 5g users around willing to test the latest CVS? I've just committed a fix which should significantly help audio decoding speed. 12.56.47 # markun: wow, looks cool 12.56.54 # markun: sure, commit away I say 12.57.13 # bloody huge lcd that 12.57.35 # Is that 240x320? 12.57.39 # yes 12.57.57 # we still have no bootloader for the gigabeat.. 12.58.13 # But we have a sim :) 12.58.35 # Which for some reason reminds me that I need to make the text buffers longer in the eq_menu so translators don't have problems. 12.58.37 # What buttons are there? 12.59.07 # hehe 12.59.08 # linuxstb: the cross + POWER, MENU, VOL+, VOL-, A 12.59.17 # Is the cross just four normal button? 12.59.31 # s/button/buttons/ 12.59.46 # no, there are 13 sensors in the cross 13.00.28 # Sounds a bigger nightmare than the ipod's clickswheel 13.00.35 # so how do you operate things with the cross? 13.00.48 # faster further out or something? 13.00.50 # you can press it, or slide 13.01.12 # ah, slide... 13.01.29 # The first button driver will not handle sliding I think 13.01.32 # :'( whyt the hell am i getting undefined references to radio functions (in the radio.h file) when the functions are freeking there and i havnt touched the files with the problems??? :'( 13.02.31 # JdGordon preprocessor problems ? 13.03.03 # i dunno.. iv done make cleand and make twice and it didnt help..? 13.05.04 Quit Zoide777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.06.49 # is there actually still someone working on xvid for iriver? 13.07.31 # don't think so 13.08.02 # Lynx_: mirak was 13.08.33 # ok 13.09.01 # * JdGordon is getting hugely pissed of with this code.. 13.09.20 # it was last year 13.12.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.12.40 # I asked about ideas for video codecs that could work in Rockbox on the ffmpeg mailing list a few days ago - the suggestion was mpeg1, 13.13.06 # uncompressed video is out of question 13.13.17 # I just did some calculs 13.13.27 # 13gigs for 2hours 13.13.39 # Yep - that's what ipodlinux currently does. 13.13.44 # the compression rate is somewhat incredible 13.14.10 # I was wondering what mjpeg could do ? 13.14.36 # I'm would expect mjpeg is a lot harder to decode than mpeg1 13.15.06 # mjpeg doesn't have interframe coding, right ? 13.15.19 # I would guess not, but I don't know for sure. 13.15.52 # linuxstb: but mpeg2 codec is able to decompress mpeg1 13.16.02 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-43-228.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.16.04 # I haven't tried a mpeg1 stream though 13.16.13 # Yes, but it's a waste of space to have it in the decoder. 13.16.42 # the mpeg2 codec is not that big 13.16.48 # But yes, we could start with an mpeg2 decoder, and then strip out everything not needed for mpeg1. 13.16.51 # at least way smaller than what I did with xvid 13.17.08 # what decoder does the iriver firmware use? 13.17.19 # problem with mpeg2 codec as it was was the buffer was not in iram 13.17.30 # it was not that easy to use fast ram 13.17.43 # Which mpeg2 decoder did you use? 13.17.48 # xvid was really easier for that since it used some litle buffers 13.17.56 # linuxstb: hem libmpeg2. 13.18.24 # Can you test an mpeg1 file, and see if it's any faster than an mpeg2? 13.18.38 # is there a preproccessor thingy like #error which doe the same but lets the vuild continue? 13.18.44 # #warning 13.18.48 # thanx 13.18.59 # i was trying #warn :p 13.20.03 # crap.. undefined reference means it cant find the function in the c files or the defenition in the h files? 13.20.10 # there's really very little difference between mpeg1 and mpeg2 13.20.26 # as far as decoding complexity goes 13.21.08 # Every little helps though. 13.22.02 # Do you know if there are any other differences, such as required buffer sizes? 13.23.36 # guys, im stuck.. can some1 please look here.. http://pastebin.com/555790 13.23.42 # nope, don't really know the technical side. just from what i've seen and read by developers, mpeg-1 and mpeg-2 are often said to have pretty much no difference. and mpeg-4 decodes -much- better with various apps/libs. 13.25.16 # with libavcodec on my athlon, i can decode 60fps 640x480 advanced simple profile mpeg-4 video and the avarage cpu time it takes is ~17%, and peaks are around 30% 13.25.50 # no way in hell mpeg-2 would decode that well with any application i know 13.27.34 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F0E7F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.27.46 # JdGordon, are any of those functions declared static? 13.28.00 # no 13.28.30 # and are you sure they are compiled, and not excluded by some #ifdef? 13.29.08 # yup, the #warning is the innermost #ifdef in the file, and its shown so the function headers are being read... 13.30.39 # JdGordon: that's the .h file, that doesn't tell you if the functions are compiled or not 13.30.46 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.31.15 # that only tells you that the prototype is being included 13.31.16 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 13.31.58 # compiling again... moved the warning to the actual function 13.32.11 # ShyK what are the bitrates of the mpeg-4 video and of the mpeg-2 stream ? 13.32.45 # iirc, DVDs have up limit of 10 000 kbit/s 13.32.47 # ShyK: I've been told by the ffmpeg developers that mpeg4 is harder to decoder than mpeg1 - so I'm sure that just means you've got a poorly optimised mpeg1/2 decoder, and a well optimised mpeg4 decoder. 13.33.08 # linuxstb don't forget the bitrate too 13.33.16 # Of course. 13.34.39 # Bg3r: the 60fps mpeg-4 videos i tested are around 3000 and 4500 kbps and have some extremely complex motion, that movies pretty much never have. mpeg-2 at 8000 kbps 13.35.38 # oh farting freeking hell 13.36.02 # #include "config.h" was on the wrong side of a ifdef... /me is going to bed 13.38.16 # linuxstb: in that case the libavcodec mpeg-1 decoder is quite poor :) 13.38.27 # their mpeg-4 decodes faster 13.38.42 # or 13.38.58 # maybe they took into account all the advanced mpeg-4 features 13.39.05 # like qpel and gmc 13.39.17 # those two option decrease speed by a huge amount 13.39.27 # options* 13.48.19 # and of course it may also be that performance on various types of cpus varies greatly due to optimizations and various requirments of each codec 13.49.09 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.49.11 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 13.53.02 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-50-67.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.02.29 Join webguest59 [0] (n=d5c88e91@labb.contactor.se) 14.03.02 # linuxstb: so you mean that audio on the 5G will work, and hopefully as good as on the 4G? 14.03.33 # It's certainly better than it was. I've always been able to play some codecs - such as FLAC. 14.04.43 # Do you have a 5g? 14.06.59 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.08.11 Join quobl_ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-606f6864a9b87bbd) 14.10.51 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.12.25 Quit webguest59 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.14.03 # This iPod video lcd access looks incredibly twisted, and slow... 14.14.37 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 14.16.47 # It is - I'm just starting to look at what is going on. 14.17.09 # Any suggestions would be welcome - but I don't know any more than what that code says. 14.18.03 # But I do know that the IPL people are busy looking for alternative methods to access the LCD. 14.18.32 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-75-38.w86-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.19.22 # Calling a function for every pixel which does several ins & outs... 14.20.45 # At least the line/col loops could be optimised a bit by replacing 0xE0020 + curpixel << 2 by a single variable, 14.21.06 # of course incementing by 4 each time 14.22.05 Quit imphasing (Remote closed the connection) 14.22.13 # Do you have any plugins that you've written to test LCD performance? 14.22.35 # petur wrote one which he gave to me 14.22.41 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 14.22.44 # What does it do? 14.23.02 # It tests lcd_update()( and lcd_update_rect() with an 1/2 by 1/2 rectangle, measuring fps 14.23.25 # very basic thing... 14.24.11 # Could I have a copy? 14.24.41 # Do either of you know how many fps does it manage on a h3x0? 14.24.56 # ~80 fps for fullscreen at 45 MHz 14.28.55 # linuxstb: don't have the code here at work and it isn't adapted to the new plugin itf, but I think amiconn adapted it... 14.29.05 # It's OK, amiconn has sent it to me. Thanks. 14.29.11 # ah ok 14.30.28 # probably has hungarian notation all over the place ;) 14.30.57 # Results: 1:1 was 28.0, 1:4 was 61.5 14.31.25 # slow 14.31.40 # But hopefully improvable. 14.32.03 # has anyon tried making a copy of wikipedia accessible on rockbox? 14.32.28 # x1jmp: the MR guys talk a lot about it 14.32.33 # it would be nice to turn the jukebox into a encyclopedia :) 14.32.36 # but I guess that's about it 14.32.41 # linuxstb: of course, the display is bigger so more data to move around 14.33.03 # x1jmp: convert it to a neat format, make an index table, write a plugin. done. profit! 14.33.43 # has anyone started with this? 14.33.50 # not that I know 14.33.50 # noone, afaik 14.35.45 # Simply making the function in the inner loop inline now gives me 31.0 and 65.5 14.36.14 # wouldn't this be possible with the dict plugin? 14.36.30 # x1jmp: quite possibly 14.41.11 # 31 * 320 * 240 * 2 = 4761600 bytes/sec 14.41.25 # 80 * 220 * 176 * 2 = 6195200 bytes/sec 14.41.33 # not _that_ huge difference 14.41.35 # are there some information about the dict plugin, i couldn't find anything on rockbox.org 14.42.20 # x1jmp: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary 14.43.59 # then of course it was 80fps at 45MHz coldfire and 31fps at 75MHz ARM 14.46.33 # last time I ran this, on the H3x0 the 1/4 update was 4 times faster than fullscreen, but 31 and 65.5 fps means different efficiency for those implementations 14.46.48 # I'm confused. amiconn's suggestion for replacing (OxE0020 + curpixel << 2) in the inner loop with a variable that is incremented by 4 is actually slower - 30.5 and 64.5 14.46.56 # hehe 14.47.20 # I wonder what gcc is up to... 14.47.39 # -S -fverbose-asm ! ;-) 14.47.44 Join NicoFR [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 14.48.10 # To use that, do I need to do "make V=1" and then copy and edit the gcc command? 14.48.16 # yes 14.48.21 # remove the -c 14.48.43 # possible change the -o to do use another name for the output 14.49.17 # Thanks. I'll try that, but not now. 14.50.58 # I find those options quite educational 14.52.36 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-59-132.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.53.09 Join webguest59 [0] (n=d5c88e91@labb.contactor.se) 14.53.16 # sorry-back 14.53.36 # linuxstb: yes, I have a 5G, but I havent tried rockbox yet since it wasnt really functional 14.53.48 # I will definitely take it for a ride now 14.54.12 # what would you say are the main differences between running rockbox on a 4G compared to a 5G? 14.56.42 # The LCD is far slower. I've just done some tests, and it can manage 31fps. As a comparison, the iriver h300 can manage 80fps. 14.56.52 # I'm about to test it on my 4G Photo. 14.57.44 # aha 14.58.08 # so how did you come up with the idea to bypass the LCD chip or what was it you did? 14.59.29 # It was a pretty obvious thing to do - the LCD update function has to wait14ms for the Broadcom chip in the ipod to finish updating the LCD. I just added a call to the Rockbox yield() function so instead of doing nothing for those 14ms, Rockbox can carry on decoding audio. 15.00.10 # aha so the problem with the odd chip is still there, just not visible anymore 15.00.11 # ? 15.00.33 # Yes. But also the other parts of the LCD update function need work to make them work as fast as possible. 15.00.55 # Plus of course the audio codecs themselves can be improved. 15.01.35 # And the last resort is to wake up and start using the iPod's second CPU. 15.01.48 # So there's lots of potential. 15.02.09 # the ipodlinux people hasnt made any progress on the Broadcom chip? 15.02.42 # As a comparison, my iPod Photo can manage 72.5fps for full screen updates, and 283.0 for 1/4 screen updates. 15.03.05 # So it seems there is room for optimisation there as well. 15.03.14 # yeah 15.03.45 # What kind of audio files will you be using? 15.03.52 # well, that's just 17% faster 15.03.58 # considering the smaller screen 15.04.21 # do have a look why the 1/4 updates aren't 4 times faster... that seems odd to me 15.04.43 # the photo one seems to be x 4 15.04.53 # saw that 15.05.18 # but 5G only x2 15.05.19 # That's because of the very slow "finishup" function which waits for the broadcom chip to finish updating the lcd. 15.05.31 # ah 15.05.36 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.06.03 # linuxstb: what does that wait for? 15.06.11 # mp3s mainly 15.06.20 # I mean, what would die if you didn't wait 15.07.23 # I don't know, but it does read from a memory address before and after the wait. 15.08.02 # The function is lcd_bcm_finishup() in firmware/drivers/lcd-ipodvideo.c 15.08.12 # I know no more than that code. 15.08.17 # ok 15.08.35 # Today's the first time I've actually looked at it in detail. 15.12.08 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 15.12.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.12.12 # and of course all those addresses and values are undocumented? 15.12.21 # Of course. 15.13.49 Join Febs [0] (i=Febs@dhcp64-134-210-46.hfwsf.sjc.wayport.net) 15.14.31 # is there a viewcvs for rockbox somewhere? 15.14.44 # possibly you could gain a few cycles in the loop by calculating the next address and value before waiting for the handshake bit 15.15.07 # Mikachu: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/ 15.15.28 # ah, didn't find that when i looked for it 15.15.53 # does this page add any info on the ipod we don't know yet? http://www.videsignline.com/howto/innovativeapplications/177105493 15.17.49 # btw, does the ipod color/photo _really_ use 18bits? 15.18.04 # hard to tell of course 15.18.16 # petur: No, it looks like the article is based on the ipodlinux wiki :) 15.18.49 # since it seems very likely both the iriver h300 and iaudio x5 are blatantly lying about their 18bits 15.18.52 # B4gder: What makes you ask that? I've never seen any suggest that it's 18-bit, apple always say 16-bit. 15.19.00 # ah 15.19.08 # petur's page says 260K colors 15.19.20 # my fault for not checking, sorry 15.20.31 Join zhilik [0] (n=_if_you_@ppp83-237-231-151.pppoe.mtu-net.ru) 15.20.54 # Interestingly, I've just looked on Apple's website, and they don't mention the depth at all (for the Nano). 15.21.56 Quit perpleXa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 15.22.38 # Just checked the 5G's specs - and they say "over 65,000 color lcd". 15.23.06 # markun: what does gigabeat claim? 18bit? 15.30.04 # B4gder: I've seen different numbers, but the 2.0 firmware uses 15 bit 15.30.09 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3199.gwdg.de) 15.30.49 # ok 15.31.30 # possibly that would make sense to have a 5 => 6 bit lookup table in the driver and use use the existing 16bit ones 15.32.10 # B4gder: the toshiba uk site claims 18bit: http://www.gigabeat.toshiba.co.uk/static/products/f40/ 15.32.27 # iriver claims this for h300 too ... 15.32.32 # a popular claim these days it seems 15.32.43 # I was told that photos look much better with the 3.0 firmware, maybe they changed the colour depth 15.33.10 # The gigabeat can just use the LCD_RGBPACK() macro to pack the RGB into whatever format the lcd needs. We already have two 16-bit formats, so another wouldn't be any more work. 15.33.26 # true 15.33.46 # as long as it isn't >16 15.34.19 # Yes. It all depends how the lcd_update() function needs the data. 15.35.20 # heh, apple lists this point as a feature for the nano, "Upgradable firmware enables support for future audio formats" 15.36.05 # before you know it they'll include a link to Rockbox :D 15.38.10 # at the apple store, does the nano count as an 'iPod with color display'? i am guessing not 15.39.03 # I assume that will be the 4G color. 15.39.10 # ah, the nano is listed explicitly in another one so it doesn't 15.39.23 # And is the 5g/video listed separately? 15.39.31 # yeah 15.39.42 # It's definitely the 4G color then. 15.39.44 # there's nano, mini, ipod, ipod, ipod with color display and ipod with video 15.39.56 # and two different pictures for the two ipods in the middle 15.40.06 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 15.40.18 # Are they the 3g and 4g then? 15.40.39 # the first one looks like it has four buttons above the wheel 15.41.29 # Yes, that's the 3g I think. They are described here: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 15.41.43 # ah 15.42.28 Quit lostlogic ("leaving") 15.42.39 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-27-100.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.57.17 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.57.26 Join lostlogic [0] (n=lostlogi@node-4024215a.mdw.onnet.us.uu.net) 15.58.27 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.01.01 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-187-113.dyn.iinet.net.au) 16.01.08 Join yeahx [0] (n=aarond@c-67-160-124-13.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 16.01.26 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 16.01.38 # hi 16.01.47 # sup 16.03.40 # hi 16.04.05 # ok um 16.04.11 # here is 00:04 16.04.36 # korea? 16.04.53 # yeah 16.05.02 # nice 16.05.06 # hehe 16.05.14 # I must sleep. 16.05.39 # I have graduation ceremony tomorrow. 16.05.48 # ahh today 16.05.56 # :) good night all 16.06.04 Quit Jungti1234 () 16.06.12 # that was a bit starnge 16.06.39 # just a little 16.18.45 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-24-221.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.24.02 Quit needleboy () 16.25.42 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.ton.tut.fi) 16.28.52 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-38-238.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.30.47 Quit quobl_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.31.59 Quit PaulJam (".") 16.32.32 Join quobl_ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-76858f30c28b673e) 16.33.09 Quit Bagder ("Off to search for that connect-resetting peer guy!") 16.33.44 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.35.29 Join ModernExecutive [0] (n=ModExec@wm204-165.unwired-grad.wm.edu) 16.38.05 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 16.42.41 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.43.40 Part ModernExecutive 16.49.05 Quit webguest59 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.59.51 Join perpleXa [0] (i=perpleXa@dialin-145-254-189-239.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.03.41 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 17.10.35 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.12.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.15.45 # does it make sense to replaygain scan a whole mp3 collection? 17.16.30 # think about it like this: why not? 17.17.00 # the one thing that doesn't make sense is the mp3 part 17.18.03 # why not? 17.18.14 # because mp3 stinks 17.18.37 # that depends on what you need it for 17.18.48 # what's the fastest way to do the scanning? 17.18.59 # foobar2000 17.19.36 # that's already the fastest? hmm, this will take forever then 17.20.06 # the 0.9 beta versions should be much faster than 0.8.3 17.21.58 # ok, i'll try that 17.22.36 # don't overwrite your 0.8.3 with 0.9 though 17.22.54 # unless you don't mind settings not being kept 17.23.12 # ok 17.24.04 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-117-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.25.06 Part safetydan ("Home time!") 17.26.56 # if i scan a single mp3 file to add the replaygain info, will the result be the same if i scan it alone, or with a bunch of other files? 17.27.32 # replaygain compares files 17.27.48 # isnt that pretty pointless to scan one file alone? 17.28.15 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.26 # well, i didn't know if the volume is adjusted to one standard, or to a average over all files scanned at one time 17.28.28 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 17.28.29 # mp3s stink? 17.28.30 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-34-206.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.29.16 # heh, worried about mp3 codec on a unit that probably has $0.20 op-amps in it 17.30.12 # what codec is best battery wise? 17.30.24 # Lynx_: afaik they are set to an average value 17.30.43 # so that too loud mp3s are bit more silent and vice versa 17.30.44 # I wanted to use ogg but I forgot someone meantioning to me back in the day that if it was put on a portible it would probably eat power 17.31.04 # i can't see replaygaining one track.. unless peak normalization is your thing, but that defeats the purpose 17.31.07 # perpleXa: ok, so there must be a way to add new files to the set already scanned, without rescanning the old files 17.31.35 # i always scan whole albums with foobar 17.31.37 # why not only RG-scan albums? 17.31.45 # and not the whole collection 17.32.02 # yeah 17.32.07 # :) 17.32.17 # well, that's what i'm doing anyway 17.32.22 # that is, if your tags are OK ;) 17.32.46 # the tags are always ok if you rip the cd's you own ;) 17.32.53 # depends :) 17.33.06 # but, foobar does albums based on directory structure also 17.33.19 # i think the rg-scan scans by album tag 17.33.31 # But I may be wrong here 17.33.56 # wont work on your friends CDs? 17.33.59 # the 0.9 beta of foobar offers both 17.34.03 # hehe jk 17.34.26 # well, musicbrainz works wonders on fairly common music 17.35.18 # unless you have a vast collection of tibetian overtone chanting 17.35.25 # if I may: 17.35.26 # Replay Gain works by first performing a psychoacoustic analysis scan of the entire audio file to measure the perceived loudness and peak levels. The difference between the loudness and the target loudness (usually 89 dB SPL[1]) is calculated; this is the gain value. 17.35.41 # So you can scan 1 file alone, I think 17.35.43 # aha, so there is a target loundness 17.36.02 # must be then 17.36.05 # yep 17.36.21 # so if you scan all files without album gain they will be all equally loud 17.37.25 Quit paugh ("Leaving") 17.39.40 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-240-68.dsl.pipex.com) 17.42.08 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.43.08 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-79-14.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.48.27 Quit bluey (Remote closed the connection) 17.50.38 Join t0mas_ [0] (n=Tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 17.50.58 Quit t0mas_ (Client Quit) 17.51.13 # wrong button :) 17.51.51 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 17.51.55 # your not missing anything 17.51.55 Join einhirn [0] (n=Miranda@p548607DA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.54.28 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 17.55.18 Join Sacro [0] (n=ben@adsl-83-100-237-29.karoo.KCOM.COM) 17.55.20 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.55.44 # evening all 17.56.28 # how many files should the rockbox download have? 17.57.17 # many 17.57.30 # possibly even lots 17.57.34 # hmm, not just rockbox.iriver 17.58.12 # ahh, its .rockbox 17.59.51 # .rockbox contains all yer bits n bobs 18.00.12 # .anything is hidden under unix based OSes by default 18.01.01 # yeah, i noticed 18.01.06 # itd be cool if rockbox was hidden on the ipod 18.01.17 # it is by default 18.01.32 # it should be anyway, thats what it does on iriver and archos targets 18.01.43 # i can see rockbox.iriver 18.01.44 # unless you set it to show all files 18.02.13 # on my nano it shows the rockbox file 18.02.28 Quit einhirn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.06.04 Quit perpleXa ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 18.06.40 # the rockbox.ipod or whatever is visible 18.06.57 # becuase on most targets you can load a different kernel by "Playing" it 18.07.09 # RoLo simply isnt ported to ipod yet 18.10.43 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-78-76.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.11.43 Part petur 18.21.04 # so if I put linux on there I could do that? 18.21.08 # oh ok 18.21.15 # if rolo was supported it could 18.21.20 # missed that 18.21.24 # no 18.21.28 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-67-16.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.21.31 # rolo is for loading other rockbox kerneks 18.21.34 # *kernels 18.21.39 # aah ok 18.21.45 # the bootloader is planned to have linux boot support though 18.21.47 # Im not too interested in linux 18.22.03 # but if I can and it doesnt take too much space why not 18.23.48 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.25.04 Join iriverH340 [0] (n=javier@62.57.69.149) 18.25.29 # hi people, I own an iriverH340 and I followed your suggestion and installed rockbox yesterday 18.25.50 # cool, thats what i did 18.25.51 # and? :) 18.25.58 # but I found the fm radio preset a bit buggy 18.26.08 # how so? 18.26.17 # when I preset, I get a list of characters to name it 18.26.23 # and rockbox get hang there 18.26.52 # otherwise, rockbox works fantastic!! 18.27.27 # does it support WMA yet? 18.27.34 # who cares 18.27.40 # sorry 18.27.52 # anyone here uses rockbox on H340 and experienced with radio preset? 18.27.59 # thats just a waste of time 18.28.07 # what's a waste of time? 18.28.21 # radio on a 50gb hdd player at all :P 18.28.24 # *40 18.28.38 # sorry, I miss the point 18.28.40 # wma 18.28.43 Join imphasing_ [0] (n=a766a239@yossman.net) 18.28.50 # i never use the radio on my h140 so im not much help :P 18.28.58 # * Sacro unmounts his h340 and looks at the raido 18.28.59 Quit TCK ("well, if you say so.") 18.29.26 # I use the radio when I go to sleep every night, together with sleep disconnection 18.29.31 # can i use a H340 in the bath... 18.29.39 # kind of feeling accompanied 18.29.48 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 18.30.08 # what time is the daily build done? 18.30.35 # and is there a direct frequency input mode? 18.30.37 # so, noone tried radio presets? should I post a but? 18.30.40 # a bug sorry? 18.31.52 # i dunno, works fine here 18.33.02 # Sacro: you have radio presets? 18.33.27 # just created one fine 18.33.33 # dailies are pointless IMO 18.33.49 # except maybe for finding stable builds when a bad build is introduced 18.34.27 # mar_k: The Rockbox bootloader on the ipod has always been able to boot linux . 18.34.36 # Sacro: I downloaded the latest daily with H300 optimized, which one do you use? 18.34.47 # latest H300 18.35.03 # Sacro: ah, and you can preset without problem? 18.35.17 # well, i cant input text very well, but i did a preset 18.35.19 # Sacro: is there any manual page where I can read how to preset, perhaps I do something wrong 18.35.38 # select radio, tune in, hold nav/i add preset 18.36.09 # type name, press play/pause 18.36.15 # and bobs your mothers uncle 18.36.20 # *mothers brother 18.36.27 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-30-67.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.36.35 # * Sacro sits and listens to Sub Sub on the radio 18.36.43 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.37.05 # I have tried again and womething goes wrong 18.37.30 # I press C, then I go to O and in between a q appears and C disapears and it doesn't move anymore 18.38.39 # hmm, works fine here 18.39.09 # how are the letters taken? with nav? 18.39.44 # New powerup in BrickMania - Now in the CVS 18.40.20 # =] 18.40.41 # what is powerup? 18.40.48 # blah 18.40.57 # do you know brickmania? 18.41.11 # no :) a game I suppose 18.41.13 # is there nano support yet? 18.41.30 # i tried it but the courses don't fit on screen and the ball bounces on the screen edge :) 18.41.43 # iriverH340, yep 18.42.06 # Mikachu, it needs adjust.... 18.42.18 # no way, my radio preset isn't working at all 18.42.20 # it looked nice though, and ran fine 18.42.32 # Sacro: when the radio is on, does your machine go very slow? 18.42.57 # iriverH340: not that ive noticed 18.43.07 # how do you de-sticky your paddle? 18.44.09 # in my machine, when the radio is selected, everything goes SLOW!! 18.44.14 # * Sacro will waste many hours playing that 18.44.25 # it already happened with the original iriver firmware 18.45.31 # Hurray, brickmania multi-ball :) 18.46.30 # =] 18.46.32 # the builtin ipod nano one is sooo bad 18.46.54 # it's like a bad flash game, sometimes the ball goes through several bricks 18.47.02 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 18.49.39 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 18.49.43 # controls suck anyway 18.49.59 Join godzirra [0] (n=shawn@c-24-125-58-133.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 18.50.00 # * godzirra waves. 18.50.03 # Howdy folks. 18.50.28 # It's godzirra! 18.50.29 # the scroll wheel can only be used for lists, i don't like when plugins use it to move updown and use clicking for left/right 18.51.04 # * godzirra raars. 18.51.27 # Im still not used to the rockbox controls 18.51.48 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.51.53 # i also changed the wheel delta threshold to 10 from 4 18.51.57 # Mikachu: I agree (and I did it...) 18.52.01 # any further word on rockbox on ipod videos? 18.52.19 # Further to what? 18.52.38 # I swear I get stuck between the menu and directory and cant get back to the now playing screen sometimes but I guess I need to press something else 18.52.47 # aah reverse right? 18.52.54 # I keep forgetting 18.53.13 # the playlist viewing from the wps context menu is weird 18.53.26 # it is the only menu that needs LEFT to exit i think 18.53.27 # Mikachu: how often do you update your rockbox? 18.54.10 # i've copied rockbox.ipod to my ipod 70 times in the last 4 days 18.54.22 # according to my history file 18.55.25 # I checked for changes today and didnt see any, not sure if I looked at the right place 18.55.32 # godzirra: Audio works. 18.55.32 # :D 18.55.49 # And I think there have been some minor improvments in the screen speed 18.55.50 # yeahx: do you mean if you press MENU in the playlist viewer? 18.56.00 # yeahx: i have submitted a bug about that with a tentative fix 18.56.03 # why so many times? are you making a lot of changes 18.56.18 # yeah i changed it myself of course 18.56.51 # not a playlist but a folder I think 18.57.07 Quit imphasing_ ("yossman.net freenode.net/wikipedia webchat CGI:IRC 0.5.4 (2005) (EOF)") 18.58.09 # sometimes it wont go back to the now playing screen 18.58.27 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.58.33 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 18.58.37 # Does anyone have a link to the big rockbox logo for me? 18.58.50 # yeahx: this is the one i'm talking about http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1430212&group_id=44306&atid=439118 19.03.28 Quit kernelsensei (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.03.55 # I didnt even know about that feature 19.04.09 Join kernelsensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 19.04.10 # i always enter that menu by accident when i try to quit the playlist viewer 19.04.21 Quit tenzing (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.04.28 # and it was a bit anoying to have to reboot veery time 19.04.31 # Im still new to rockbox on nano and havent played much 19.04.59 # i've used it since saturday 19.05.00 # hey, I connect my H340 to my linux laptop and the laptop doesn't recognize it, although with iriver firmware it did, any help? 19.05.22 # my nano shut off yesterday, I thought the battery died 19.07.13 # what is the key combination to start iriver firmware instead of rockbox with H340??? 19.08.58 Join tenzing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 19.09.45 # hold down record and play 19.12.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.17.45 Join Febs [0] (n=40326e83@labb.contactor.se) 19.20.47 # does the battery indicator work on ipods other than nano? 19.21.10 # ipl reads it fine i think, so it should be doable 19.21.38 # yeahx: No, it's not implemented for any ipod yet. 19.21.39 # cool 19.22.12 # But when it is, the same code will work on all ipods. 19.22.59 # thats what I thought, why I asked 19.23.56 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@81-178-235-210.dsl.pipex.com) 19.26.32 # where is the code for the text entry screen? 19.28.22 Join lamed [0] (n=554043a8@labb.contactor.se) 19.28.39 # hello 19.29.01 # amiconn: you're ignoring my emails (!) 19.29.10 # Mikachu: apps/recorder/keyboard.c 19.29.23 # ah, that wasn't entirely obvious 19.30.36 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@Fd2dc.f.strato-dslnet.de) 19.31.15 # There are two subdirectories in apps - recorder and player. These relate to the first two players that Rockbox worked on. The recorder had a bitmapped LCD, and the player only had a character-based LCD. 19.31.50 # But CVS doesn't make it easy for us to rename directories or move files, which is why that has stayed. 19.33.54 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.33.55 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.34.48 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 19.42.22 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@154.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 19.45.44 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964b3.pool.mediaWays.net) 19.56.50 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-37-97.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.58.29 Quit quobl_ ("Leaving") 20.02.48 Part iriverH340 ("Abandonando") 20.04.32 Quit Sacro (Remote closed the connection) 20.11.28 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.11.55 # changed the config screen to use the four click directions for moving and menu+select to abort... much more usable imo 20.12.08 # and most things seem to use menu+select for exit 20.12.21 # Which config screen? 20.15.44 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 20.16.41 # uh sorry, i meant the text entry screen 20.16.51 # i used the write .cfg as a test 20.24.59 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.25.33 # Sounds good to me - I agree that when we need four direction keys, we shouldn't use the clickwheel. What do you map to delete? 20.27.09 # bbl 20.27.18 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.32.28 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-249.VIC.netspace.net.au) 20.32.43 Join hydrahead [0] (n=5774a2b0@labb.contactor.se) 20.36.53 Join Henrico [0] (n=henrico@cn-mss-cb01-2763.dial.kabelfoon.nl) 20.37.41 # man ogg drains so much power 20.37.45 # how disapointing 20.38.16 # I want to listen to more for more than 2 hours :) 20.39.15 # no off for backlight yet? 20.42.18 # mr down again? 20.42.41 Join RoyalMike [0] (n=5409e8ab@labb.contactor.se) 20.44.05 # hey do you guys know if gameboy roms work on ipod colour? 20.44.08 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 20.49.14 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 20.55.07 Quit RoyalMike ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.57.56 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.59.16 # yeahx: Someone did some tests with Ogg on a Nano, and got about 7.5 hours. 21.06.17 # wierd 21.07.49 # linuxstb: same as before 21.07.54 # select on the input line 21.10.18 # I saw that too 21.10.25 Join allix [0] (n=allix@host86-137-100-141.range86-137.btcentralplus.com) 21.11.03 # but I only listened to maybe 2 hours and when I just started under original firmware to charge it was pretty low 21.11.17 # I dont think my headphones drain that much 21.11.23 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-text-entry-bindings-ipod.patch 21.11.36 # maybe with the sound down with no headphones it could go 7.5 :) 21.11.48 # does the ipod port support flac and ogg? 21.11.53 # yes 21.11.54 # yep 21.11.59 # flac, hahaha 21.12.04 # (i think flac is a bit silly on a dap) 21.12.04 # perfect for portables 21.12.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.12.33 # I guess ogg is too, Ive waited years to play ogg on an ipod too 21.12.53 # ogg is good, smaller files = more music 21.13.11 # ive just ordered a iaudio m5 , as it has flac and ogg support 21.13.18 # i was not sure if rockbox could 21.13.24 # on ipod anyway 21.13.38 # your funny :) 21.14.04 # what about his funny? 21.14.12 # i might be able to cancel it 21.14.25 # it will be g5, is that ok? 21.15.02 # flac for portable use 21.15.07 # sorry Im just really tired 21.15.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#When_will_Rockbox_for_the_iPod_V 21.15.24 # it just not mention anything there about g5 21.15.27 # and I dont understand some sound formats 21.16.04 # allix: Yes, the 5g is getting better every day. The FAQ needs updating. 21.16.39 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964ab.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.17.27 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 21.17.29 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b964ab.pool.mediaWays.net) 21.21.49 # linuxstb: should i put that patch in the tracker? 21.23.41 Join guest42 [0] (n=henrico@cn-mss-cb01-3020.dial.kabelfoon.nl) 21.26.30 Quit Henrico (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.28.43 # Yes please. I don't have time to look at it now. 21.29.12 Join petur [0] (i=petur@d54C19BA8.access.telenet.be) 21.29.45 # wilco 21.30.38 # * linuxstb is listening to skip-free 320kbps MP3 on his ipod 5g... 21.31.27 # * petur points to his H340 doing the same :D 21.31.39 # * Mikachu points to his athlon 2600+ 21.32.14 # I've got the LCD updates at 42fps now 21.32.14 # * t0mas points to his athlon 3200+ 21.32.15 # :P 21.32.19 # damn :( 21.32.28 # * t0mas prods lostlogic 21.32.38 # time to show your Athlon X2 ;) 21.32.46 # is there a guide for formats and bitrate battery usage for the ipod in general? 21.32.47 # athlon 64 3500+ 'venice' anyone? 21.33.11 # for free? ;) 21.33.24 # yeahx: It hasn't been written yet. Feel free to contribute: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodRuntime 21.33.43 # maybe it will be easier to determine after the battery display is added.. 21.38.14 # oh yeh I came accross the runtime thing on there 21.39.20 # it wouldn't help with me cause I pause from time to time and have to turn it up loud due to noise 21.43.11 # i cannot cancel the order 21.43.27 # i could return it ,get the money back then get the opod 21.43.35 # its seems to much work 21.47.06 # what kind of player is that? 21.47.09 # Im sure its fine 21.48.09 # is video supported in g5 with rockbox? 21.48.38 # its a 20gb flac, ogg, mp3 ,wma hardisk based player 21.48.43 # i don't think rb has any video support? 21.49.07 # so all i would be gaining by using rockbox on ipod is 10 extra gb 21.49.23 # its also 15 pounds more 21.49.47 # huh? 21.50.20 # the iaudio m5 costs me 179 and the ipod 194.99 21.50.36 # m5 = 20gb , ipod = 30gb 21.50.45 # ah, didn't notice you were talking about the iaudio m5 player 21.50.54 # thats the one i ordered 21.51.16 # it was that or ipod 21.51.22 # i decided with m5 21.51.41 # as i did not know that flac and ogg was developed for ipod g5 21.54.07 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Arrogant@141.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 21.57.58 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.58.20 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-073-129.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.58.44 Quit hydrahead ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.00.39 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c147059.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.01.19 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.01.49 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.04.04 Join rob- [0] (n=robbie@haylott.plus.com) 22.04.38 # allix: afaik the ipod g5 just started working with rockbox 22.04.48 # so you couldn't have known for long 22.05.16 Part XavierGr 22.05.36 # i am sure iaudio is a fine portable player 22.08.03 # rockbox is more like an afterthought for some people 22.08.42 # some want the ipod but they want the features of other players 22.08.44 # if i knew it could support flac and ogg , i would of got one 22.08.50 # yeah 22.08.53 # thats me 22.09.33 # how does it play ogg and flac ? 22.09.43 # i mean very people have heard of rockbox 22.09.45 # Ive wanted to use ogg for a while but didnt want an iriver 22.09.48 # i am surprised 22.09.53 # the $Id line on top of a file is updated automatically on commit, correct? 22.09.54 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 22.10.00 # petur: Yes. 22.10.05 # ok 22.10.05 # ogg sounds nice on my nano 22.10.21 # does it play ogg completely? 22.10.27 # all qualities 22.10.38 # I havent tested enough 22.10.43 # ok 22.10.56 # if it does not, i don;t feel so stupid :) 22.10.58 # Im sure other people have 22.11.10 # the webpage does not mention it 22.11.32 # I encoded a bunch of cd's to try it out yesterday 22.11.41 # Seriously, is there a reason the Bubbles plugin isn't include in the build? 22.11.52 # It is, as they say, "teh awesome". 22.11.54 # Is it in the patch tracker? 22.11.58 # no unfortunately 22.12.06 # slacker developers 22.12.21 # allix: It plays Ogg up to Q8 fine on iPod Nano (though if you enable equalizer settings AND replaygain, it can start underrunning) 22.13.25 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.13.42 # They really should put bubbles on the patch tracker if it's not 22.13.44 # ah, there might be reason he hasn't submitted it, claims the source code is messy 22.13.54 # It works fine on H120 and Nano, and I hear it works good on H3x0 as well 22.14.26 # safetydan: Everyone says that :) 22.14.26 # already has CVS access 22.14.33 # well I guess I'll just wait for him to commit it 22.14.40 # Who is he? 22.14.41 # Software is never finished. It's just abandoned. 22.14.43 # I heard there is gameboy for iriver rb, true? 22.15.08 # yeahx: Yes. 22.15.09 # linuxstb, not a clue. Goes by "RotAtoR" on misticriver 22.15.26 # OK - he wrote Bejewelled as well. 22.15.43 # is some one working on it for nano? 22.15.44 # so 9 and 10 will not work? 22.15.54 # Yeah, and never submitted the bejeweled patch that makes it use external bitmaps, did he? 22.16.01 # yeahx: No, but it doesn't need very much work. 22.16.03 # allix: 9 and 10 aren't tested. 22.16.03 # nes on nano would be cool 22.16.26 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.16.27 # interesting 22.16.52 # allix: Honestly though, do 8 itself is overkill, don't you think? 22.17.02 # yeah 22.17.35 # But 9 and 10 might work, I can't really say. I just know that 8 with replaygain and equalizer enabled will start showing signs of problems every now and then 22.17.37 # does applying the patch take anything away from the apple firmware? 22.17.43 # Rockboy (that's the name of the GB emulator) runs on my 4G color, and also on the 5G. But the button mapping needs fixing (currently only the direction keys and start are mapped to something), and it also needs adapting for the Nano's small LCD (it's smaller than a GB's LCD) 22.17.50 # allix: Applying the patch? 22.18.03 # firmware i mean 22.18.16 # Installing Rockbox on your iPod (or anything else) is like installing Linux on a Windows PC. You can dual-boot. 22.18.29 # i did not know that 22.19.14 # On some players you have the option of completely removing the original firmware, but it's never compulsory. 22.19.28 # dual boot would be ideal 22.19.45 # On the ipod you have triple-booting - you can use ipodlinux as well if you want to. 22.19.54 # because i am not sure if rockbox can play videos and display phoots 22.20.15 # although videos as such a small size suck 22.20.15 # is there a way to have apple's default instead? 22.20.30 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-1-136.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.20.31 # hence i chose m5 not x5 22.20.54 # yeahx: Yes - you (or anyone else) can edit the source code to the bootloader and change it. 22.21.07 # nice 22.21.30 # gotta go. back later. 22.22.55 # i reckon if rockbox was widely known many mp3 alternatives would not be bought 22.23.14 # whoever i speak to buy non - ipods for the formats they can play 22.23.31 # rockbox as sales arguement ;) 22.23.54 # yep 22.24.01 # its a bit like psp 22.24.04 # linuxstb: is it worse to use ipod linux loader2 instead of rockboot? 22.24.20 # just asking because i just installing and don't know how stable loader2 is 22.24.23 # yeh but good 22.24.27 # thats what i am thinking can rockbox fuck up a ipod 22.24.33 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 22.24.53 # it cannot 22.25.04 # otherwise would you guys be using it 22.25.06 # bluey: [22:21] gotta go. back later. 22.25.21 # =) 22.27.24 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-11-80.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.27.54 # allix have you considered a gp2x? 22.27.54 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 22.27.56 Quit zhilik (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.28.08 # it only supports 1 gb 22.28.30 # oh right I forgot you want a HD player 22.28.49 # ive payed for the m5 22.29.52 # it only has 20gb instead of 30gb ipod 22.31.32 # that will do 22.32.55 # linuxstb: you can probably help me on this... i was trying to add a setting for my backlight-navi patch (1406891) and i realised intercepting NAVI presses in the button driver probably isn't the right thing to do 22.32.57 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.32.59 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.33.29 # and especially settings that interfere with firmware doesn't feel right... 22.33.53 # so i was wondering where i could filter button presses on apps side 22.33.54 # trying to get the backlight to turn off? 22.34.17 # yeahx: getting it to turn on when NAVI is pressed 22.34.22 # http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1406891&group_id=44306&atid=439120 22.34.26 # oh 22.34.42 # I want to turn off the backlight 22.34.45 # it already works but there is no setting for it 22.34.52 # thre is a function for that 22.35.08 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.35.20 # actually its weird, holding menu in apple firmware doesnt turn on backlight on my nano 22.35.41 # even the plastic wrapped around it said that on it and Im used to it from my previous ipods 22.37.34 # linuxstb: neat lcd opt! 22.38.13 # he's away I think 22.38.41 # iirc there is still room for optimisation in the H300 lcd driver... is anyone working on it and what has to be done ? 22.39.35 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 22.40.46 Join sucka [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 22.43.23 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.52.32 Join Shadowarrior13 [0] (i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 22.53.31 # why would replaygain use more cpu? 22.54.09 # linuxstb: nice work :) 22.54.14 # i'll have to see it to believe it though 22.54.48 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=Steve-O@adsl-65-68-201-28.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.55.30 Quit x1jmp (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.55.31 # Mikachu, extra pass over the audio to apply the gain 22.55.45 # can't you just modify the overall volume instead? 22.55.56 # or is the granularity too low? 22.56.42 # probably the granularity is too low 22.56.46 # amazing work, you guys! 22.56.47 # but that's just a guess 22.57.05 # Heh 22.57.30 # If you want the details, it's in dsp.c around line 703 22.57.37 Quit yeahx () 22.57.54 # or dsp_process() to see what's being done to your audio before playback 22.58.54 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.59.41 # safetydan: mainly because by working the audio directly, before scaling to 16 bits, you can avoid clipping. 23.00.06 # and you don't need to worry about exactly when the track change is actually heard. :) 23.01.49 # clipping too yeah 23.01.50 # wouldn't it make sense to apply the gain in the same loop that writes the audio? 23.01.54 # should have thought of that 23.03.09 # mikachu: what if the gain shouldn't be applied for some reason? then you'd have to do checks in the loop, or always multiply with 1.0, or something... 23.03.15 # or duplicate loops... 23.03.43 # you already have duplicate loops now 23.03.51 # in short, keeps things simpler. And with iram buffers, the cost isn't that large. 23.04.15 # but adding the replaygain case would make things worse. 23.04.37 # I seriously just installed rockbox in like, 7 minutes. I've done this too much. 23.04.41 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 23.04.41 # Over the span of like, 5 days. 23.04.47 # you could have if dsp->replaygain and have apply gain and write samples in a loop there, and in the other case, just a loop that writes the samples 23.04.57 # multiple passes over the same data may actually be quicker than branchy code on some architectures as well 23.05.22 # But for dithering, it has to be a separate loop, only way to do it properly. 23.05.33 Quit guest42 ("gtkBitchX: to the rescue!") 23.05.49 # okay 23.06.08 # also, the source is there, try moving things around and see if it goes faster 23.06.22 # do you have a top plugin? :) 23.06.27 # Alright, wtf/ 23.06.33 # look at the debug menu 23.06.36 # oh yeah 23.06.45 # Seriously, I've done this from scratch so many times. And I keep getting the SAME EXACT GLITCH. 23.06.45 # the audio thread stuff should give you the boost ratio 23.07.10 # hm the apply_gain has a comment about having to apply before resample, so i guess it would be too confusing 23.07.21 # Any 5G experts in here? 23.07.46 # does anyone have any screenshots of rockbox on ipod g5? 23.08.03 # I hear there's 42fps on the 5G ipod... 23.08.05 # :D 23.08.11 # I WOULD if the fucking rockbox WORKED on mine. 23.08.13 # linuxstb? 23.08.34 # i keep reading his nick as linuxstd 23.08.39 # And I'm about to throw my ipod at you. 23.08.56 # Shadowarrior13: i can give you my address if you want to throw it here 23.08.59 # throw it at me :D 23.09.01 # XD 23.09.09 # how can i check the fps? 23.09.15 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 23.09.24 # * RotAtoR 's ears are burning 23.09.27 # Paprica: i think you need a special plugin 23.09.27 # Seriously, is there any possibility that the problem isn't my installing, but my ipod is somehow different from everyone elses? :P 23.09.40 # I suppose I should finally get around to committing by bejeweled patch... 23.10.03 # Shadowarrior13: it could be that you have a new firmware 23.10.08 # 1.0 23.10.12 # RotAtoR: what did you change? 23.10.24 # or rather have the old 23.10.35 # I'll try 1.1, though I hate it. 23.10.36 # allix: The version of his firmware wouldn't affect *inside* of rockbox so much. 23.10.42 # ok 23.10.42 # Or not. 23.10.57 # Mikachu: lots of stuff: speed fixes, graphics fixes, uses external bitmaps, support for more targets 23.11.10 # Shadowwarrior13: From what you've described, it sounds like either a bug in rockbox, or a hardware problem with your player's USB port. 23.11.15 # does it have lyrics ? 23.11.23 # somehow on iaudio you can 23.11.24 # could you change the keybinds for ipod 4g to use the click buttons for moving while you're at it? 23.11.35 # I don't see why it would have a problem with USB, it's working. 23.11.36 # Mikachu: already done ;) 23.11.47 # ah, good 23.12.13 # I'd like to try doing what you said and see if it fixes it. 23.12.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.13.18 Part Paul_The_Nerd 23.13.28 # And he leaves. 23.16.31 # so who has a 5G, and has tested the new hotness? 23.16.59 # I'm working on it 23.16.59 # :D 23.17.04 # The new hotness doesn't work >.< 23.17.11 # You're not doing it right. 23.17.14 # I'm gonna try a bleeding edge build. 23.17.14 # :P 23.17.24 # I've done it right numerous times, as well as other people doing it right for me :P 23.17.31 # Same friggin results. 23.17.33 # It always works fine for me.. 23.17.34 # =/ 23.17.37 # Well, I hate you. 23.17.41 # :( 23.18.00 # Shadowarrior13: well duh, it -just- made into cvs 23.18.09 # imphasing: what's taking so long? 23.18.13 # :p 23.18.29 # Er.. 23.18.32 # I have to build it. 23.18.34 # :D 23.18.38 # lol 23.19.36 Join perl|bbq [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 23.19.42 # imphasing: isn't there a bleeding edge build for the 5g now? 23.19.48 Part safetydan ("Leaving") 23.19.58 # Would me having a 60gig have anything to do with it? 23.20.04 # And yes, there is. 23.20.11 # probably not 23.20.14 Quit Siku () 23.20.17 # Just wondering. 23.20.20 # what's the problem exactly ? 23.20.26 # http://www.rockbox.org/auto/build-ipodvideo/rockbox.zip :P 23.20.31 # Boots up to the rbx logo, then a stuck USB logo. 23.20.43 # oh 23.20.45 # Shadowarrior13: umm, unplug the usb 23.20.48 # :) 23.20.48 # Can't do anything about it, and I've used a million different rockboxes. 23.20.54 # There -is- no USB plugged in :P 23.21.07 # that's what -you- think 23.21.14 # *looks at ipod* 23.21.18 # *looks at BHS* 23.21.21 # Nah. 23.21.28 # * BHSPitLappy looks at toothpaste 23.21.33 # what happens if you boot it with the cable in? 23.21.38 # You got your toothpaste in my peanut butter! 23.21.41 # Same thing. 23.21.43 # it gets f 23.22.00 # You got peanut butter on my toothpaste! 23.22.08 # * BHSPitLappy tastes 23.22.14 # * BHSPitLappy looks surprised 23.22.21 # * BHSPitLappy vomits all over Shadowarrior13 23.22.45 Join sw13 [0] (i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 23.22.50 # wtf was that 23.23.06 Quit Kiwiclx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.23.06 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.23.06 Join Kiwiclx [0] (i=froot@d180-163-tercero-c-1.ucdavis.edu) 23.23.06 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.23.06 Quit RotAtoR (Nick collision from services.) 23.23.10 # Oh. 23.23.12 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-129-019.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.23.13 # Shadowarrior13: If you're around in an hour or so, then I can make a test build for you. 23.23.17 # * linuxstb leaves again... 23.23.23 # I'll probably be here :P 23.23.25 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 23.24.17 # linuxstb: do you have the hi-res rockbox logo or know where I can download it? 23.24.30 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB271D4.ipt.aol.com) 23.24.32 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m53.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 23.24.36 # Moooooo 23.24.51 # fish? 23.25.00 # Yup. 23.27.12 # Bagder: you there? 23.27.29 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.27.35 # Sonuva. 23.27.40 # a bit 23.27.54 # do you know where I can download the hi-res rockbox logo? 23.28.07 # Sorry 'bout that. I'm getting tired of things that say "X will now restart your computer" rather than "Would you like X to restart, or would you rather do it yourself?" 23.28.21 # hang on 23.28.25 # markun: Isn't it included in the manual package now? 23.28.26 # thanks 23.28.30 # is it? 23.28.37 # www.rockbox.org/tshirt.old/rockboxHighRes.tif 23.28.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: many years ago when i ran windows, there was a small app called antishutdown which would block such attempts 23.28.54 # 3540 by something PNG 23.29.06 # Included in the manual package. 23.29.31 # Mikachu: I'll have to look into that at some point. 23.29.51 # Bagder: I'll try not to loose it again 23.29.56 # no worries 23.30.36 # Hm, I only see ROCKBOX, not the rest 23.31.44 # ah, alpha channel problem 23.32.40 Join imphasing_ [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 23.33.55 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-240-68.dsl.pipex.com) 23.35.27 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 23.36.28 Quit imphasing (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.38.02 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.39.51 Quit Arrogant ("I AM QUIT HAVE A NICE DAY") 23.40.20 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 23.40.21 Quit Shadowarrior13 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.40.50 # My rockbox bootloader didn't do anything.. 23.40.51 # =/ 23.41.07 # lol 23.41.12 # I at least GET a bootloader 23.41.54 # I've never built a bootloader for a 5G before though 23.42.22 # Then it sux on the loading rockbox. 23.42.25 # the 5g install procedure has some different step compared to the 4g 23.42.33 # I didn't have to, there's a precompiled bootloader :P 23.42.40 # Yeah, you have to get the broadcom chip firmware. 23.42.46 Nick sw13 is now known as Shadowarrior13 (i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 23.43.17 # Bagder: I extracted the broadcom firmware, and the image is in the same dir 23.43.19 # so its good i did not buy a ipod 23.43.20 # so that should work fine 23.43.27 # its sounds like its not working on g5 23.43.37 # lol 23.43.50 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-72-61.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.44.01 # It'll be extra leet when it DOES work though. 23.44.32 # Ok, bootlaoder is working 23.44.37 # time to extract the zip 23.44.54 # If you get it, give me EVERYTHING YOU HAVE 23.46.35 # works fine 23.46.37 # and HOT DAMN 23.46.44 # .....fuckign serious, you got it? 23.46.57 # yeah.. 23.47.02 # Dude, gimme your bootloader/rockboot. 23.47.04 # OMFG 23.47.08 # HIGH FPS. 23.47.13 # Who got this figured out? 23.47.15 # And how? 23.48.59 # Come over here... 23.49.01 # :P 23.49.05 # RotAtoR: hm, it still feels a bit slow, is it possibly to make it so that when more than one line falls, everything falls at once, instead of the next line waiting for the previous one? 23.50.01 # RotAtoR: i also don't feel it makes sense to bind both direction clicks _and_ scrolling 23.50.10 # RotAtoR: it just gives unwanted movements when you move your finger to another button 23.50.15 # imphasing_: what part of "42fps" didn't you understand before? :P 23.50.19 # :D 23.50.26 # I want to know HOW though 23.50.36 # You know, I'd like to know HOW first. 23.50.37 # did someone figure out some ARC instructions? 23.51.20 # imphasing_: I figure linuxstb tested and found out this works, but you gotta ask him to get to know for real 23.51.25 # Ah, ok. 23.51.29 # It's sexy. 23.51.30 # :D 23.51.36 # the changes was very small as I guess you already noticed 23.51.40 # change 23.51.46 # yeah 23.52.23 # 42 fps on the 5g makes the data transfer to the lcd faster than what it is on the 4g if my calcs are right 23.52.25 # * Shadowarrior13 jumps off of roof 23.52.52 # Yeah, it seems like it. 23.53.14 # well it needs faster throughput if the display is larger... 23.53.23 # indeed 23.53.43 # i believe its based on ipodlinux 23.53.54 # not this, no 23.53.56 # It's going to be beautiful to be able to use rockbox for music, and retailos for movies. 23.54.01 # * imphasing_ sighs 23.54.05 # No more itunesdb.. 23.54.10 # I hate you, imphasing. 23.54.15 # Dude.. 23.54.19 # Pure loathing. 23.54.19 # I can send you my rockboot. 23.54.22 # and my zip. 23.54.24 # Then I don't hate you. 23.54.26 # deal? 23.54.27 # ok. 23.54.28 # email? 23.54.33 # shadowwarrior13@gmail.com 23.54.40 # Don't forget the bootloader >.> 23.55.01 # I just found out that recording peak detection is only done on the last buffer in the callback - can somebody remember why this was done? proc load or just lazy? ;) 23.55.02 # Or wait... 23.55.06 # That was horribly stupid. 23.55.13 # Forget I said that >.< 23.55.59 # petur: I would guess laziness, but if you check who did it you could try asking the person 23.56.22 # * petur thinks somebody is going to feel sorry when the spambots find the log of this channel :P 23.56.34 # sent. 23.56.38 # er.. 23.56.38 # sending 23.57.01 # lol 23.57.10 # I was wondering why that took a second to upload :P 23.57.18 # heh. 23.57.30 # new_wheel_value = ((status << 9) >> 25) & 0xff; 23.57.36 # isn't that a bit redundant? 23.57.42 # * imphasing_ is transferring 9gb of music to his ipod 23.57.45 # lol 23.58.58 # Hope you have fast internet. 23.58.59 # :P