--- Log for 28.02.106 Server: zelazny.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 14 days ago 00.00.02 # JdGordon: probably 00.00.04 # stripwax: try ddd 00.00.14 # so the first thing i do after the source is downloaded is to "mkdir build" right? 00.00.16 # LinusN/josh_ cool, I'll try that out 00.00.21 # what is it and how do i do it? 00.00.22 # are 24 bit wps supported by rockbox ? 00.00.24 # gdb is supposed to be painful 00.00.29 # :-) 00.00.38 # skwad: yes and no 00.00.38 # SuperSnout - I think so! just type that command in 00.00.50 # ok.. it's downloaded now.. 00.00.54 # ok.. here goes 00.00.57 # gdb is a true *nix tool. Command line, spartanic 00.01.00 # skwad: most 24-bit wps found on misticriver won't work 00.01.03 # Goes in the line of vi 00.01.11 # oh yeah, that reminds me - is alpha channel going to be implemented at any time (e.g. for 2-bit screens) 00.01.15 # cause I would like to start to make some wps for the x5 now, but i'm not sur it will work on the x5 sim 00.01.32 # i meant tomorrow ^^ 00.01.32 # skwad - I think the x5 doesn't support 24bit yet 00.01.43 # ok.. did it.. pressed enter.. didn't do anything.. is that good? i assume it is 00.01.43 # I think it does 00.01.46 # yes it does 00.02.08 # SuperSnout - if you type "ls" (lowercase L lowercase S, no spaces) and press enter, what happens? 00.02.09 # the x5 lcd has the same abilities like the other 16 bit ones 00.02.10 # on to the next one? 00.02.13 # just a lower resolution 00.02.33 # oh.. 00.02.36 # lets try 00.02.45 # it says build 00.02.47 # good? 00.03.07 # Bagder - oh ,.. rockbox says this "Use the 2bit version for X5 until there's a 16 bit available" 00.03.09 # so i can try to make some 24bit wps for x5 by reading the docs ? 00.03.14 # SuperSnout - hrm, nothing else?! 00.03.26 # stripwax: that was just a particular icon that isn't available for that size yet 00.03.29 # nothing else.. 00.03.32 # bad? 00.03.36 # stripwax: That's just the BMPs for sudoky 00.03.39 # *sudoku 00.03.45 # SuperSnout - hrm, where did you download the sourcecode to..? 00.03.49 # amiconn - oh! hahaha 00.03.54 Quit damaki (Connection timed out) 00.04.01 # i downloaded it from misticriver 00.04.06 # skwad: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS 00.04.22 # SuperSnout - ?! no.. I mean what does your directory structure look like. 00.04.36 # RockBoxH300Optimized-200602230015-v0.62-Source.zip 00.04.48 # my directory structure? 00.04.49 # where? 00.04.55 # yes i know Moos , I just wanted to know if it was possible 00.04.59 # e.g. d:\rockbox\ <-- sourcecode d:\build <-- the directory you just created. or something else 00.05.05 # and did you unzip the sourcecode yet, and if so where 00.05.13 # skwad: essayes ;-) 00.05.20 # i don't have any kind of structure.. 00.05.25 # SuperSnout - er... 00.05.26 # no.. i haven't unziped it 00.05.35 # SuperSnout - ok. let's start again ;-) 00.05.36 # what structure should i make/ 00.05.38 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 00.05.42 # Moos: je le ferais demain :-) 00.05.43 # yeah =) 00.05.53 # skwad: hehe :-) 00.06.03 # ok so good night all 00.06.07 # bonne nuit 00.06.09 # g'night 00.06.13 # cu 00.06.26 # yeah.. ok.. so where should i unzip it..? 00.06.28 Quit kernelsensei (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.37 # Moos: t es quand meme sur un chat anglais jte rapelle ^^ 00.06.37 Join kernelsensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 00.07.04 # hehe, few words of french will kill noone ;) 00.07.07 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC") 00.07.14 # SuperSnout - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 00.07.26 Quit Nico_P () 00.07.30 # SuperSnout - have you done that bit? 00.07.51 # yep 00.07.58 # at last =D 00.07.58 # SuperSnout - have you done this bit yet: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 00.08.11 # no 00.08.53 # argh.. looks confusing.. 00.09.00 # should i start from step 2? 00.09.05 # SuperSnout - ok , let's do that then. Don't do section 1, just type "unzip blah.zip" where blah.zip is the zipfile you downloaded 00.09.06 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 00.09.09 # SuperSnout - yep 00.09.29 # where do i type that in? 00.09.34 # in the .. window . .? 00.09.41 # what will it do? 00.09.55 # it will unzip the zipfile .. 00.10.05 # really? how will it find it? 00.10.15 # how does the stack work with gcc? specifically with global variables. Are they placed on the stack? 00.10.33 # kkurbjun - are global variables *ever* placed on the stack? 00.10.40 # I dunno 00.10.46 # that's why I'm asking 00.10.56 # kkurbjun - hrm, what is it you want to know? 00.10.57 # ok.. i'll just do it anyway? =) 00.11.04 # SuperSnout - probably best! 00.11.20 # it just sounds like the source needs to be somewhere where cygwin can find it 00.11.43 # Hrm, 00.11.44 # is there no way to paste into cygwin? 00.11.45 # SuperSnout - yeah.. probably in the current directory! type "pwd" (without the quotes..) 00.11.52 # SuperSnout - yeah, there is. Do you need to? 00.12.04 # what error was that again: 00.12.09 # it would make it a lot easier to put in the source file name 00.12.14 # it's really really long 00.12.21 # SuperSnout - you could rename it, and then it would be easier to type! :-) 00.12.35 # TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in ... 00.12.39 # SuperSnout - alternatively, the TAB key completes the filename for you, if you type the first few letters... 00.12.45 # ok.. found the current folder thing 00.12.48 # (welcome to bash!) 00.12.58 # do i put the source in the build folder? 00.13.05 # well, I know temporary variables in functions are placed on the stack as I was having some problems getting transparancy in doom with stack overflows, but I was curious if global variables are placed in the stack because I'm trying to avoid stack overflows with large wad files 00.13.19 # they are not 00.13.23 # hmm 00.13.39 # SuperSnout - no, you put the source in the folder ABOVE the build folder 00.13.45 # ok 00.13.54 # done 00.14.00 # SuperSnout - ok, what does ls say now 00.14.02 # okay.. i'll do the other step now 00.14.04 # thanks linusn 00.14.16 # it says the name of the zip file and build 00.14.29 # SuperSnout - cool! 00.14.29 # so now type the name in and press enter? 00.14.36 # SuperSnout - no 00.14.41 # ok =) 00.14.48 # SuperSnout - type "unzip blah.zip" where blah.zip is your zip file 00.15.06 # that's what i said =S 00.15.24 # oh 00.15.26 # SuperSnout - you didn't say "unzip"... 00.15.27 # okay =D 00.15.34 # sorry.. i understand you now 00.15.38 # neat-o 00.15.47 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.55 # * Paul_The_Nerd mutters. 00.16.19 Quit aegray (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.16.26 # wow.. looks like it's doing a lot 00.16.29 # Having a 4gb player sucks when you have about 4.4 gig of music you want to put on it, and the original files are already lossy compressed (stupid remixers) 00.16.31 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 00.16.33 # SuperSnout n- hopefully! 00.16.45 # dum di dum di dum 00.16.51 # Paul_The_Nerd - ouch. get a bigger player :-[ 00.16.52 # done 00.17.01 Join Aditya [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 00.17.06 # next? 00.17.16 # SuperSnout - now "cd build", and carry on from Step 3! 00.17.21 # $ cd rockbox 00.17.24 # oops 00.17.27 # okay 00.17.27 # stripwax: I have an H120 as my other player. I just rather carry the Nano with me when I go out. 00.17.38 # linuxstb: I think I have a version of doom that will fit in the ipod's plugin buffer, but it's got some troubles loading tnt wad for some reason, I can send it to you if you're interested. The other dooms seem to work fine 00.17.39 # blashphemy! 00.18.02 # do i not need to do the 2 things before cd build in step 2? 00.18.02 # Paul_The_Nerd - ah, the Nano is a nice, nice device. I'll let you off! :-) Sucks that you need 4.4GB on the move tho 00.18.12 # SuperSnout - what does ls say ? 00.18.32 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com) 00.18.50 # stripwax: Yeah. Well, it's 1300 remixes. I'm sure there's a few hundred I can do without. Like the one that's supposedly the "Only hillbilly-genre bubble bobble remix ever" 00.18.53 # anyone here have a nano and have big hands? 00.18.54 # add-ons blablabla.zip source build 00.19.06 # thats one thing thats keeping me not interested in that thing.. it might be too small 00.19.06 Join Steven [0] (n=Steven@p549FC861.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.19.08 # Aditya: I like the original, large-size XBox controllers. Big enough hands? 00.19.10 # aditya: haah -D 00.19.14 # errr... ok, let's try "cd source" .. 00.19.22 # ok 00.19.34 # and ls again please 00.19.39 # original xbox controllers? pfft.. pansy.. I liked my controllers with extra padding! 00.19.41 # ok.. now it's in the souce directory 00.19.44 # Any idea about that TLS thing? 00.19.50 # * stripwax realises he's just invented a new protocol .. indirect shell! 00.19.54 # ok 00.20.02 # looks like it has all the right stuff in it 00.20.07 # stripwax: ? 00.20.08 # and what does it say.. 00.20.12 # Aditya - nemmind 00.20.12 # Aditya: I cannot *stand* the S-type controllers. But yeah, I don't really have problems with the Nano's size. I do have very *thin* fingers though 00.20.13 # many things 00.20.18 # for instance 00.20.20 # should i list them all? 00.20.22 # erm.. 00.20.27 # just the first three, let's say 00.20.31 # Paul_The_Nerd: I have medium-fattish ones lol 00.20.33 # cvs bootloader firmware 00.20.41 # ok cool. sounds good 00.20.41 # linusn: when a function exits it's stack space should be freed entirely correct? 00.20.51 # SuperSnout - so we need to "mkdir build" and "cd build" 00.20.53 # has it now come to the actual doing stuff? 00.20.58 # I think I will buy something from iAudio.. I dont really want one of those full sized iPods.. something aboutt them just makes me feel sick 00.20.59 # nearly! :-) 00.20.59 # kkurbjun: yes 00.21.02 # okay.. not yet =) 00.21.06 # Aditya: Really, I don't think finger-size would affect use of it too much. But that's my opinion. 00.21.14 # what about static variables in a function? 00.21.19 # while still in source? 00.21.23 # kkurbjun - they behave like global vars 00.21.24 # SuperSnout - yep! 00.21.33 # ok, thanks 00.21.40 # done.. didn't say anything though 00.21.49 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 00.22.10 Part imphasing 00.22.13 # SuperSnout- that's cool, it won't. if you do "ls" you'll see that you just created a new directory called "build" (you can delete the OLD build that you created earlier, by the way, cos it's in the wrong place!) 00.22.17 # now it has build inside =D 00.22.24 # yep 00.22.28 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!") 00.22.35 # SuperSnout - yehah! did you "cd build" yet? 00.22.51 # i'll do that now 00.22.56 # let's! 00.22.59 Quit Steven_ (Connection timed out) 00.23.04 # ok.. i'm in that now 00.23.08 # empty.. 00.23.10 # SuperSnout - step 3! 00.23.14 # yay =D 00.23.30 Join saab_rider [0] (n=saab_rid@221.223.97.159) 00.24.04 # so what do i do? 00.24.33 # SuperSnout - ummm.. type in " ../tools/configure " (without the quotes). Isn't that what step 3 says? 00.24.54 # i didn't know it meant type that in 00.24.57 Quit needleboy () 00.25.01 # with the dots? 00.25.17 # anyone? 00.25.22 # yep, with the dots 00.25.27 # amiconn ?@ 00.25.43 # [00:12:03] what error was that again: 00.25.46 # [00:12:35] TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in ... 00.25.54 # permission denied =D 00.26.05 # it's a problem I get with building the sims 00.26.19 # something to do with the verison of glibc 00.26.20 # SuperSnout - err.. ? did it say anything else? 00.26.45 # kkurbjun: I'm trying to get rockbox to build on amd64 00.26.52 # bash: ../tools/blabla : permission denied 00.27.06 # and the error handling/threads I believe linusn said 00.27.22 # Just that I have no idea how to fix this pb. I vaguely remember it has something to do with different threading implementation 00.27.22 # SuperSnout - "ls -la ../tools" 00.27.22 # =( 00.27.29 # type? 00.27.37 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.27.41 # SuperSnout - yep. that's lowecase LS -LA ../TOOLS 00.27.45 # amiconn: yes, it mentions errno in the message too, doesn't it? 00.27.49 # yes 00.27.56 # done 00.27.59 # and 00.28.01 # mompls 00.28.02 # like this http://track.sipfoundry.org/browse/XVX-143 00.28.08 # ahh, yeah, I wish I could help.. I know someone submitted a patch on the mailing list, but I just think it got it to compile, not actually run 00.28.10 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD7B36.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.28.17 # a big list of stuff.. 00.28.22 # but the "fix" is not really obvious to me 00.28.32 # SuperSnout - what does it say beside the entry for "configure"? 00.28.36 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn|crappyxc (n=jens@p54BD7B36.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.28.41 # (or just "ls -la ../tools/configure") 00.28.44 Nick amiconn|crappyxc is now known as amiconn_ (n=jens@p54BD7B36.dip.t-dialin.net) 00.28.53 # The exact error msg 00.29.01 # what kind of thing are you looking for? 00.29.05 # there's a 1 00.29.10 # SuperSnout - here's mine: 00.29.11 # LD rockboxui 00.29.11 # /usr/bin/ld: errno: TLS definition in /lib/libc.so.6 section .tbss mismatches non-TLS reference in /home/jens/rb-patched/simulator-build/recorder/librockbox.a(errno.o) 00.29.14 # johannes.. none 00.29.20 # screen -AaU 00.29.28 # oops, wrong window, sry 00.29.38 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 Dave None 32088 Feb 24 22:16 configure 00.29.51 # you want the first bit? 00.29.55 # SuperSnout - in particular, the first bit (-rwxr-xr-x). 00.30.03 # Hideo :-) 00.30.18 # -rw-r--r-- 00.30.32 # bad? 00.30.35 # chmod 755 ../tools/configure , SuperSnout 00.30.41 # stripwax: :P 00.30.51 # okay =) 00.30.51 # amiconn: http://www.opencascade.org/org/forum/thread_9224/ 00.31.01 # just type it in hideo yeah? 00.31.17 # it at least indicates that it is something with the errno that needs to be addressed 00.31.20 # SuperSnout - it's weird, it means your sourcecode doesn't have the correct permissions set up. But yeah, type in what hideo suggested 00.31.25 # yes, unless you wanna run by stripwax first :P 00.31.31 # (don't type the , SuperSnout bit! :-) 00.31.48 # lol 00.32.01 # yeah =) 00.32.07 # Bagder: Rockbox has an errno.c, just containing a single line: 00.32.11 # int errno; 00.32.15 # LS -LA ../TOOLS again.. 00.32.20 # I wonder what that has to do with threading... 00.32.42 # ok.. it's done 00.32.45 # what now? 00.32.48 # amiconn: you might pick up some errno define/macro or something? 00.33.02 # errno is treated special in threading libs 00.33.09 # SuperSnout - ../tools/configure (again) 00.33.13 # ../tools/configure okay 00.33.39 # says no such file or directory =S 00.33.51 # ? 00.33.55 # pwd 00.34.01 # are you still in the build dir/ 00.34.09 # yep 00.34.26 # did you type "../tools/configure" incorrectly? 00.34.31 # okay.. worked this time =) 00.34.43 # :-s 00.35.02 # yes I know stripwax .. its all a mystery 00.35.12 # haha =D 00.35.22 # ok.. so now i do what it says.. 00.35.30 # probably a good idea! 00.35.33 # #10 00.35.48 # okay.. what build? 00.36.05 # normal.. devel.. etc 00.36.05 # SuperSnout - do you want to run it *on* your H340? 00.36.09 # If so, "Normal". 00.36.19 # what do you mean "it" 00.36.24 # SuperSnout - ROCKBOX! 00.36.42 # i want to change the controls for rockdoom on my iriver h320 =) 00.36.52 # nomal yeah? 00.36.57 Quit Hideo () 00.36.57 # SuperSnout - I have no idea what that means. But it sounds like you want Normal, yes. 00.37.18 # okay.. done 00.37.23 # now.. 00.37.46 # which m68k-elf-gcc 00.37.54 # (just to check). and "which perl" too. 00.37.58 # ok.. i'll explane.. there's a version of doom called rockdoom for rockbox.. and i want to change the controls for playing it.. 00.38.18 # SuperSnout - ok. didn't know rockdoom was even finished. I'll check that out :-) 00.38.26 # it's great! 00.38.30 # works wonderfully 00.38.33 # awww 00.38.34 # SuperSnout - does it work on H120? :-s 00.38.42 # it never ran on my H320 =( 00.38.44 # just no strafe.. 00.38.57 # it just crashed with 1 >= numlumps 00.38.57 # it's so nice with colour =) 00.38.58 # umm 00.39.05 # you didn't have the wad files 00.39.06 # I dont think the original doom had strage 00.39.12 # Aditya - yeah, course it did 00.39.16 # well I Guess they had a strafe key 00.39.17 # you need to download them and put them in the doom folder 00.39.23 # I did supersnout 00.39.25 # in fact 00.39.25 # i did.. 00.39.28 # okay.. 00.39.28 Quit saa[b_r]ider (Connection timed out) 00.39.38 # maybe they weren't in the right folder.. 00.39.40 # aditya: where did it crash for you? 00.39.40 # I put the same wad file in every damn folder in the rockbox folder 00.39.42 # SuperSnout - how's the build coming along 00.39.45 # oops.. 00.39.54 # so what did you say i do next? 00.39.55 # kkurbjun: when I ran the doom.rock 00.40.00 # SuperSnout - scroll up and find out 00.40.05 # it kept saying WAD not found and just died 00.40.15 # what version are you using? 00.40.15 # as in with that weird -1 >= numlumps error 00.40.37 # oh.. sorry strip =( 00.41.01 # kkurbjun: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=36364 00.41.42 # gives me.. /opt/m68k/bin/m68k-elf-gcc 00.41.44 # do you get a menu when you start up? 00.41.44 Quit ender` (" Remember Darwin; building a better mousetrap merely results in smarter mice.") 00.41.51 # nope 00.41.58 # just starts with a bunch of debug messages 00.42.02 # and then errors out 00.42.07 # you don't have the latest version 00.42.10 # crashes and I have to reset my h3200 00.42.11 # err 00.42.14 # h320 lol 00.42.22 # and /usr/bin/perl 00.42.23 # well then 00.42.27 # where can I get it? 00.42.32 # all good strip? 00.42.43 # SuperSnout seems ok. type "make" ! 00.42.44 # misticriver 00.42.45 # it's there on that link you sent 00.42.53 # done 00.42.59 # it's not in the optimized build 00.43.00 # everything is up to date 00.43.03 # I don't think 00.43.14 # I definitely dled 0.7 00.43.17 # oh.. it's doing more.. 00.43.20 # which seemed to be the latest one 00.43.20 # meg 00.43.22 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-64-97-99.barak-online.net) 00.43.22 # meh* 00.43.28 # SuperSnout - I'd expect this will take a short while ...! 00.43.34 # I guess I will try again later tonight 00.43.35 # i'm sure it will 00.43.42 # done 00.43.54 # SuperSnout - really? that's very quick 00.43.56 # there were some errors 00.44.02 # and a permission denied =( 00.44.02 # oh. what were they 00.44.18 # is there any way to copy and paste out of it!? 00.44.21 # =( 00.44.23 # SuperSnout - argh. 00.44.35 # SuperSnout - ok, try this: 00.44.46 # (and I'm not really recommending this, but it will save us both lots of time) 00.44.49 # execvp: /home/johannes/source/tools/convbdf: permission denied 00.44.51 # and.. 00.44.52 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 00.44.53 # chmod 755 ../tools/* 00.45.10 Join Hideo [0] (n=irc@tor/session/x-4bd970da5b79d935) 00.45.26 # done that? 00.45.32 # *** [/home/johannes/source/build/firmware/sysfont.o] error 127 00.45.44 # *** [all} error 2 00.45.49 # ok, don't need any more error messages for now. 00.45.51 # ok.. i'll do the thing you said 00.45.53 # yep 00.45.55 # its cause you touch yourself at night 00.45.56 # that's all of them 00.46.01 # Aditya ? 00.46.07 # SuperSnout - ok. 00.46.08 # (family guy thing..) 00.46.44 # done 00.46.48 # SuperSnout - also, "ls -lad ../build" 00.46.59 # not -la? 00.47.05 # no, -lad 00.47.11 # stripwax: http://www.familyguyquotes.com/quotes/642.html 00.47.18 # done 00.47.20 # and 00.47.32 # drwxr-xr-x+ 00.47.34 # looks good 00.47.35 # dirrty haxxxx r us :( 00.47.36 Quit tinodeleste ("Client exiting") 00.47.48 # Bagder: I tried a number of things: 00.48.15 # SuperSnout - ok. now: are you still in the "build" directory? 00.48.18 # First, I disabled compilation of firmware/common/errno.c for the sim. This fixed the problem in librockbox.a 00.48.20 # yep 00.48.26 # SuperSnout - ok. type "rm *" 00.48.32 # Then it reappeared in uisimulator/sdl/kernel.c 00.48.44 # cannot remove is a directory 00.48.54 # A comment said errno is only necessary for mingw32, so I ifdefed it out 00.48.54 # SuperSnout - ok, type "rm -rf *" 00.49.06 # done 00.49.13 # SuperSnout ok, "ls -la" 00.49.17 # (should be empty) 00.49.18 # Now there's a *third* errno use in misc.c ... 00.49.19 # oops.. i missed out the star 00.49.21 # is that bad? 00.49.46 # SuperSnout - probably not bad. does "ls -la" show an empty directory? 00.50.00 # no 00.50.03 # Do we need errno? 00.50.06 # it says total 0 though 00.50.10 # but has things 00.50.21 # well. it has firmware.. 00.50.27 # shall i do it again right? 00.50.46 # okay 00.50.48 # SuperSnout yep 00.50.50 # now it's empty!! 00.50.53 # that Doom video is sweet 00.51.00 # it is 00.51.03 # SuperSnout - cool "../tools/configure" again 00.51.11 # * stripwax reckons we'll get there eventually! 00.51.15 # but that's from when doom was slow and jerky =) 00.51.19 # now it's much nicer 00.51.37 # yeah, I really think I should upgrade to a color dap from my h120 00.51.52 # created makefile 00.51.56 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-64-38-169.barak-online.net) 00.52.07 # SuperSnout - "make" 00.52.11 # i'm so happy i bought my h320 from amazon =) 00.52.17 # meh 00.52.22 # I got mine for free 00.52.22 # i'm sure it was the best value player ever in the history of mankind 00.52.24 # beat that 00.52.24 # =P 00.52.33 # Aditya - wow, how? 00.52.34 # well naa naa nanana 00.52.45 # stripwax : www.mp3players4free.com 00.52.51 # okay.. it's making again 00.52.51 # pays to take a chance once in a while 00.53.06 # SuperSnout - any errors yet? 00.53.11 # dont do anything on that site now though.. most of those sites have become all nazi like 00.53.53 # erm.. dont' think so 00.54.01 # no 00.54.29 # still happily making away =) 00.54.39 # cool! 00.54.49 # Aditya - bah. 00.54.52 # warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type 00.55.00 # hasn't stopped though 00.55.15 # ignore it? 00.55.33 # yep it'll just motor on through# 00.55.38 # what's it doing now anyway? 00.55.48 # it is compiling the source code into executable code! 00.55.57 DBUG Enqueued KICK Aditya 00.55.57 # 10 01warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type ... when you work in C.. those sort of warnings are sort of common place =P 00.55.59 # why do i want that? 00.56.07 # SuperSnout - errr... you're kidding, right? 00.56.15 # SuperSnout - you know the difference, yeah? 00.56.21 # yeah 00.56.24 # sooo... 00.56.35 # one is human-readble, the other is what your H340 can run .. so , that's why you want to do that 00.56.36 # but i'm not sure why i want it as an exe before i've edited it.. 00.56.36 # the firmware can only run what it understands 00.56.56 # same way your car cant run on crude oil 00.57.02 # SuperSnout - no point editing it if we find out we can't compile it. we can edit it later. for now, we find out if it will even compile for you 00.57.03 # i understand =) 00.57.12 # Aditya - good analogy! 00.57.18 # I try 00.57.23 # *bows* 00.57.23 # okay =) it's a sort of test then =) 00.57.27 # yeah 00.57.32 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 00.57.32 # * stripwax you and me both! :-) 00.57.32 # *applauds* 00.57.42 # hmm.. I need to start on this circuit theory hw at some point 00.57.54 # Aditya - what's the topic 00.57.56 # wow.. a while this is taking.. 00.58.06 # SuperSnout - yeah.. rockbox is a large system now! 00.58.16 # stripwax: just basic stuf.. I have all the equations.. but its soo tedious 00.58.18 # aditya.. i need to do my physics coursework at some point.. 00.58.22 # I did rather do something else 00.58.29 # like keep reading family guy quotes 00.58.31 # SuperSnout - I need to go to bed so I can wake up in time for work tomorrow! 00.58.50 # yeah.. well.. i have a late start of college tomorrow =) 00.58.58 # what time is it where you are? 00.58.58 # :-) 00.58.59 Quit |Beowulf| ("bye") 00.59.02 # midnight 00.59.05 # *for 00.59.12 # same =) 00.59.15 # UK! 00.59.19 # yeah 00.59.32 # it's making doom now =) 01.00.24 # i thing that i_video.c is supposed to be waht i want to change.. i think that's what someone said 01.00.36 # done!!!!!!!!!!! 01.00.39 # =D 01.00.59 # i can see i_video.c as well 01.01.00 # cool! no errors? (other than the warnings from earlier) 01.01.05 # yep 01.01.11 # "make zip" 01.01.15 # some other errors too 01.01.28 # too many though =) 01.01.35 # oh - so did it fail to make? 01.01.38 # warnings i mean 01.01.41 # warnings are ok 01.01.44 # errors are not ok 01.01.48 # ok so.. 01.01.54 # "make zip" 01.01.58 # making zip 01.02.28 # done 01.02.35 # when it's done, it will create a "rockbox.zip" in your build directory. Unzip that into your H340, and you'll be running the rockbox that you've just compiled! 01.02.59 # And if that works, you can now start editing the source code (i_video.c), rerun make, etc ...! 01.03.00 # but that'll overide my existing rockbox 01.03.02 # is that ok? 01.03.08 # should i copy over my doom save file? 01.03.09 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 01.03.24 # SuperSnout - it won't delete your doom save file 01.03.31 # do i need to delete .rockbox? 01.03.37 # Nah, it'll overwrite that 01.03.43 # ok 01.04.26 # where would it have put the zip? 01.04.50 # "in your build directory" like I said 01.04.59 # sorry =( 01.05.37 # no worries 01.06.43 # ok.. done 01.06.53 # now i'll start it up 01.07.27 # ok.. working 01.07.35 # SuperSnout - nooooo!! don't start it up!! 01.07.44 # Only kidding 01.07.56 # haha 01.07.59 # nice one 01.08.06 # you had me scared for a moment 01.08.07 # :-D all seem ok? congrats! your first Rockbox build 01.08.23 # yay.. 01.09.02 # so now for that actually tricky stuff? 01.09.07 # yeah 01.09.11 # change a few files 01.09.14 # then make fun again 01.09.17 # haha 01.09.23 # it wont take taht long though 01.09.27 # it saves intermediate files 01.09.34 # yep - all yours now. Modify the code, recompile ("make", "make zip"), and play. I unfortunately don't know what changes you want to make but you're in good hands here... 01.09.36 # ... gnight! 01.09.40 # so it only really compiles the changed files 01.09.42 # so.. i think the file i need to change is i_video.c 01.09.43 # gnight steveb 01.09.44 # err 01.09.47 # stripwax 01.09.48 # :-) 01.09.51 # stupid tab thingee 01.09.57 # * stripwax waves 01.09.58 # good night! 01.10.02 # thanks!! 01.10.07 # sure! 01.10.08 Part stripwax 01.10.19 # so yeah... 01.10.21 # now.. 01.10.34 # so how do you change files? 01.10.58 # SuperSnout: i_video is a good place to start, m_misc.c is another one where it defines the default keys 01.11.14 # argh.. ok 01.11.33 # * steveb looks at Aditya 01.11.35 # to clairify, there are two sets of key defines 01.12.28 # this is what i want to do by the way: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?p=397726&highlight=strafe#post397726 01.12.44 # m_misc is within doom's key binding system, so if you mess with those your menu will still work with up down left right keys 01.12.48 # I saw that 01.13.03 # cool =) 01.13.16 # sup steveb? 01.13.20 # have you already changed keys for doom? 01.13.27 # it wouldn't be too difficult to make a key binding like that, unfortunately due to the hardware the game may be extremely difficult to play 01.13.32 # how do you generally change source files? 01.13.40 # I did the port 01.13.45 # Aditya: i thought i had friends but it was just tab complete being an arse again. 01.13.52 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-116-11.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.13.52 # oh heh 01.13.55 # why would it make it difficult do play do you think? 01.13.56 # I cant be your friend 01.13.56 # lol 01.14.06 # hmm.. 01.14.06 # wow! you actually did the port!? 01.14.08 # you cant be my friend? :( 01.14.18 # that was more of a question 01.14.22 # ah 01.14.33 # I know.. I cant type 01.14.35 # because whenever navi is pressed it blocks all the other keys, so you can't move at all and shoot 01.15.03 # same goes for any of the directions, so if you are holding forward, the left and right keys can't be read 01.15.05 # btw kkurbjun ... it would be nice if you could make write a little article on how you did the port 01.15.06 # nah your typing is fine. you just need to remember the punctuation that makes what is a nice question in to a mean statement 01.15.19 # not the actual code... but just general ideas 01.16.19 # what? really? 01.16.19 # Aditya: thinking of porting something? I have thought about doing that.. it's not exactly straight forward all the time especially with big stuff like doom because you don't always have all the library calls that you do on a full system 01.16.31 # *plays doom to see* 01.16.42 # unless you compile against newlib or something like that 01.16.42 # kkurbjun: I want to contribute somehow 01.16.46 # Bagder: (and others) Isn't #include supposed to use the system's errno.h 01.16.50 # well done on the port by the way! 01.16.55 # I am also trying to make rockbox work with a touchscreen 01.16.58 # ..at least in case it cannot find another? 01.17.01 # or am going to at some point 01.17.13 # a touchscreen? 01.17.26 # I tried hiding rockbox' errno.h (by renaming, but then get: 01.17.28 # yeah 01.17.31 # how are you planning to do the hardware? 01.17.38 # what do you mean? 01.17.41 # they sell touchscreens 01.17.46 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `include/errno.h', needed by `/home/jens/rb-patched/simulator-build/recorder/firmware/id3.o'. Stop. 01.17.53 # if I get used to rockbox I can think of writing drivers 01.18.06 # id3.c does #include 01.18.12 # ahh, sorry, I was thinking adding to an existing player 01.18.12 # so I am thinking I will get used to rockbox by writing plugins or something after little mods etc 01.18.25 # kkurbjun... thats what I was planning 01.18.26 # that would have been a hell of a mod 01.18.29 # they sell small touchscreens 01.18.34 # hmm 01.18.35 # for pdas and what not 01.18.42 # so you could have a touchscreen UI 01.18.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.19.12 # that would be impressive 01.19.20 # kkurbjun.. ok.. i see the problem.. i'm sad now 01.19.34 # yes.. but it aint happening for a while lol.. need to get into tune with rockbox first 01.19.37 # is it possible to set a button for strafe? 01.19.52 # you dont really need strafe in doom 01.19.58 # its not like you are playing dm 01.20.04 # it helps =) 01.20.10 # SuperSnout that is very possible, using on or off I figured would be the best option 01.20.38 # you're scaring me.. you're making me rethink whether i need to do all this in the first place.. 01.20.38 # maybe move esc to the off button 01.20.57 # strafe to the on button, and switch weapon to up 01.21.06 # ok.. let me think.. 01.21.28 # i'm stating to realise why the controls are how they are =) 01.21.38 # navi would have been nice for shoot 01.21.47 # that way you could strafe while holding on. It would be difficult to shoot though 01.22.07 # argh ='( 01.22.21 Part xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 01.22.39 # hmm 01.22.43 # this is what I had planned to do eventually, but I've been trying some other things out with doom so I havnt' gotten around to it 01.22.43 # could you make hold strafe? =D 01.22.48 # yeah 01.22.54 # kkurbjun: you read about that multi-input touch screen? 01.22.54 # that's how doom works already 01.22.58 # or seen the video? 01.23.08 # now that would be perfect for a touchscreen UI 01.23.14 # you could have things like SHIFT + char etc 01.23.15 # what? with hold as strafe? 01.23.20 # I think the key is KEY_ALT or something 01.23.26 # oh 01.23.30 # nevermind 01.23.35 # no? 01.23.40 # hold could be strafe 01.23.45 # ok 01.23.54 # but you have to toggle it to activate it 01.24.11 # yeah.. exactly.. 01.24.27 # it would be slightly awkward.. but not too awkward.. 01.24.28 # aditya: if you have the knowledge and interest to do it it would be an interesting project, seems difficult though 01.24.33 # yeah 01.24.41 # writing drivers is not exactly trivial I would imagine 01.24.56 # thats why I asked you how you did the port 01.25.06 # I mean did you basically recode doom? 01.25.23 # actually hold would be fine! =D 01.25.30 # now i want to try and do it... 01.25.42 # how do you actually edit files in the source? 01.25.57 # notepad? 01.26.00 Quit Cassandra- (Connection timed out) 01.26.04 # really? 01.26.07 # yeah 01.26.07 # oh =D 01.26.09 # thats the whole point 01.26.10 # nice 01.26.14 # you edit source in a text editor 01.26.16 # haha.. ok 01.26.17 # I was more just thinking from a hardware point of view. No I didn't have to recode all of it, most of it was making wrappers for rockbox's library, and figuring out how to deal with limitations hardware and software wise 01.26.18 # and compile it to a binary 01.26.32 # so what's cygwin for 01.26.36 # jsut to compile? 01.26.38 # cygwin emulates linux 01.26.47 # and compiles? 01.26.51 # well yes 01.26.53 # it emulates linux 01.26.53 # okay 01.26.57 # yeah 01.27.07 # and w/e you do in linux, you can in cygwin.. with a few exceptions 01.27.20 # oh sure.. it's not a special program for compiling.. you jsut use the right commands to compile 01.27.20 # kkurbjun: do you have the source released for rockdoom? 01.27.22 # i get it 01.27.28 # yes 01.27.31 # supersnout: http://www.context.cx/ that's a good highlighting editor that I've used before 01.27.49 # Aditya: yes, it's in the patch tracker 01.27.59 # SuperSnout: make is a program.. it basically looks at a MakeFile whcih in turn contains a list of files to compile 01.28.10 # make then uses gcc (usually) to compiles these files into a binary 01.28.19 # kkurbjun: sweet 01.28.22 # okay 01.28.49 # would it make it a lot easier? 01.29.42 # i love the fast startup of rockbox =) 01.30.11 # It just highlights different things in the code like functions, comments and variables making it a bit easier to read, but if you don't plan on doing much that editor is unnecessary 01.30.43 # kkurbjun: i've found the doom folder in the source.. but they're all .o files.. not .c 01.31.02 # is that ok? 01.31.12 # i_video.o ok? 01.31.15 # it's under rockbox-devel/apps/plugins/doom 01.31.33 # the .o files are not text editable 01.31.42 # you're looking for i_video.c 01.31.49 # SuperSnout: .o files are the intermediate files 01.32.07 # they are the good friends that make sure you dont have to compile every file again for a little change 01.32.10 # i don't have a rockbox-devel folder 01.32.19 # i dont' think.. 01.32.26 # where would it be? 01.32.35 # or rockbox/apps/plugins/doom 01.32.42 # wherever you put the source 01.32.53 # ahh.. it's ok 01.32.57 # yeah.. found them all 01.33.03 # ok.. opening it.. 01.33.50 # ok.. almost unreadable unless opened in wordpad =) 01.33.58 # the section that starts with // I_StartTic is where you're looking 01.34.01 # so what am i looking for? 01.34.02 # ok 01.34.24 # I have to go now though 01.34.30 # and do i ignore the file i_video.h? 01.34.30 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp12-adsl-87.ath.forthnet.gr) 01.34.36 # oh.. ok =( 01.34.51 # so hopefully you can make some sense of it. i_video.h is a header file that you won't need to edit 01.34.59 # good luck 01.35.08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.35.32 # anyone else have any knowledge about rockdoom? 01.35.58 # I do 01.36.02 # it doesn't work on my player 01.36.03 # =) 01.36.09 # okay.. erm.. yeah =) 01.36.11 # and thats about it 01.36.26 # oh.. so.. you don't? 01.36.33 # no sorry 01.36.37 # ah well 01.36.41 # *sigh* 01.37.20 # the problem is.. there doesn't seem to be anything about a strafe action in the source.. 01.37.36 Join yan [0] (n=yan@neu93-1-82-231-167-182.fbx.proxad.net) 01.38.53 # Aditya: What player do you have? 01.38.56 # there's some stuff about the hold button.. and it looks like it actually does something.. not sure what though 01.38.59 # i'll test it out.. 01.39.09 # SuperSnout: The hold button changes whether you're running or not. 01.39.09 # hey paul_the_nerd 01.39.13 # i'm still at it 01.39.17 # Hi there 01.39.18 # oh! 01.39.19 # ok 01.39.27 # you can run even faster!? 01.39.30 # =D 01.39.56 # SuperSnout: As for strafing, I really don't know. I don't know the rockboom sources at all, other than a few small things I tinkered with. 01.40.17 # I'd liko to know if the "iPod stuff" may be tested ? 01.41.42 # Or if I can, after testing it, contribute to Rockbox? 01.41.46 # argh.. doom just crashed my player when i tried to quit the game 01.42.29 # okay.. well contrary to what you were saying.. with hold i cant move =S 01.42.49 # yan: What type of iPod do you have? 01.43.01 # SuperSnout: You turn hold on then off again, and you should be running. 01.43.13 # iPod with clickable wheel 01.44.08 # Which generation is that? 01.45.05 # I don't know exactly, maybe 3 or 4 01.45.17 # doesn't seem to change my speed 01.45.22 # i'm always running.. 01.45.39 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 01.45.42 # which is good if i want to use hold for something else 01.46.02 # yan: Well, it's important to know which generation you have to know which build to install. 01.46.22 # How can I determine it? 01.46.26 # yan: I believe all 4th gen iPods have sound support, but 3rd generations do not wholly yet. 01.46.28 # ipods suck anyways 01.46.30 # *runs* 01.46.49 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 01.46.50 # yan: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 01.47.01 # ok Thx 01.47.03 # yeah.. i severely dislike ipods 01.47.04 # I think it's 4th generation 01.47.26 # argh.. strafe strafe strafe.. 01.47.29 # yan: After that, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 01.47.50 # I suggest reading http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ first though, so you know what problems you may encounter when using the software. 01.48.11 # you know what an ipod + rockbox would be good for though? 01.48.15 # a driving game 01.48.53 # that's really true.. 01.49.05 # gah 01.49.06 # Thanks, I'll look at it and come back after 01.49.16 # * amiconn is annoyed by linux and will go to bed 01.49.17 # Thank you all :) 01.49.33 # so can anyone think of any way that i can find out what the word for stafe is in the code and how you assign it to a key? 01.51.13 # SuperSnout: I think you'd just have to look for the movement code, and see if there's anything in place to even handle strafing in this version. 01.51.14 Quit yan ("leaving") 01.51.24 # i just need to know what the name is of what i'm trying to define.. is there any way of finding this out? 01.51.43 # *of the action i'm trying to define 01.51.44 # Well, there may not even *be* one. 01.51.52 # You may have to create the action. 01.52.46 # SuperSnout: In my copy of rockdoom (which may be out of date), file "m_misc.c" defines key_strafeleft and key_straferight to be ',' and '.' 01.53.23 # thanks! 01.53.43 # So you need to edit i_video.c to generate the ',' and '.' key events. So instead of a line like "event->data1=KEY_RIGHTARROW;", you would write "event->data1=',';" 01.54.22 # yeah.. it talks about key_strafeleft and key_straferight in g_game.c 01.54.51 # wow.. this is complicated stuff that i really don't understand. 01.56.14 # so how would i define DOOMBUTTON_STRAFELEFT for example? 01.56.50 # or would it not be defined as it is not as simple as the other actions? 01.57.57 # SuperSnout: What you need to do is look for the part of the code that actually interprets what to do when the various buttons are pressed. 01.58.15 # i've got that 01.58.24 # and it interprets the hold button 01.58.29 # but i don't understand it 01.59.34 # do you know what ev_keyup and ev_keydown are? 01.59.46 # is it running and walking? 01.59.51 # As I said, I don't know the doom source at all really 02.00.06 # any idea linux? 02.00.10 # I did a little tinkering, but most of it was really basic cleanup stuff. 02.00.14 # okay 02.00.23 # shouldn't it be defined somewhere? 02.00.30 # or.. explaned =) 02.01.14 # SuperSnout: There's more to it than just the defines. The defines basically are just there so that the person can write DOOMBUTTON_BLAH in the code somewhere, and then up in the defines tell it which real button that corresponds to. 02.01.32 # actually.. i think i misunderstood it 02.01.43 # You need to find where the doombuttons are actually *used* and add a new situation where DOOMBUTTON_STRAFELEFT or whatever tells it to strafe. 02.01.57 # i don't think holdbutton is actually the hold button 02.02.08 # it think it's holding a button down 02.02.53 # any idea? 02.03.07 Quit needleboy () 02.03.26 # would that be in a different file? 02.03.42 # (where they are used..) 02.04.45 # okay.. i think i've worked out a bit more 02.05.12 # they all relate to KEY_somthings.. 02.05.23 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@85-64-38-169.barak-online.net) 02.05.27 # and they are mentioned in g_game.c 02.05.38 # SuperSnout, holding a button is .. [button]|BUTTON_REPEAT. 02.05.45 # i think that's the file where it all is 02.05.51 # okay 02.06.10 # i_video.c is the key definitions 02.06.26 # Supersnout, the keys are defined in doomdef.h, I think all you need to change is KEY_RSHIFT to KEY_RALT 02.06.31 # okay 02.06.49 # I believe that is the strafe modifier 02.06.52 # i've found how the strafe movement is defined in g_game.c 02.07.14 # yes, that is modified in m_misc.c 02.07.20 # ok 02.07.40 # so argh.. i go into doomdef.h right? 02.07.57 Join orthogonal [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 02.08.02 # omg! 02.08.04 # its a right angle! 02.08.16 Nick orthogonal is now known as earHertz (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 02.08.21 # if you make that change whenever the hold button is toggled the player will strafe insteadd of turn. no, make the change in i_video.c 02.08.28 # haha! get it? get it? oh man.. I crack myself up 02.08.35 # event->data1=KEY_RSHIFT; 02.08.35 # D_PostEvent(event); 02.08.39 # right there 02.09.09 # ok 02.09.26 # oh ffs... that highlighted me 02.09.31 # is that it? 02.09.34 # hey guys any of you know about batteries on the h320 slowly dying? 02.09.38 # its been about a year... 02.10.08 # just that one line? =D 02.11.14 # how do i test it? 02.11.23 # i have to compile it right? 02.11.59 # ..one thing is that at the moment the hold button doesn't actually make me run 02.12.06 # i'm running all the time 02.12.10 # is that normal? 02.12.31 # hey, Bagder? 02.12.48 # well SuperSnout, its not like you really need to walk in that game 02.12.54 # not like thay have stealth levels =P 02.13.00 # i know =) 02.16.43 # so do think that could possibly be all i have to change? 02.16.54 # do i just compile now? 02.17.02 # SuperSnout, may as well try 02.17.05 # i'm not sure.. 02.17.27 # how do you compile again? 02.17.35 # just do make? 02.17.38 # did you already ../tools/configure? 02.17.41 # if so, just make, yes 02.17.53 # or is it make zip? 02.17.56 # only need to configure once 02.17.58 # make 02.18.13 # oh yeah.. and then make zip 02.18.19 # no need 02.18.32 # just go into your build directory/apps/plugins and copy over doom.rock 02.18.43 # make zip takes a long time + is worthless for just copying one file 02.18.45 # oh =) 02.18.48 # good 02.19.05 # just takes a bunch of crap you already have and puts it together :) 02.19.51 # so where should doom.rock be after i've compiled? 02.20.14 # build directory/apps/plugins 02.20.33 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (n=steve-o@pool-71-96-116-11.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 02.21.21 # found it.. 02.21.37 # i'm sure it wont work 02.21.40 # haha. 02.21.40 # it can't be that simple 02.21.53 # it often is ;) 02.22.36 # ok.. moment of truth 02.23.36 # IT WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! 02.23.40 # it actually worked 02.23.43 # this is amazing 02.23.44 # wow.. 02.23.51 # i can strafe! =) 02.23.54 # Welcome to the world of Rockbox development.... 02.23.57 # haha. great .. ;) 02.28.42 # nice 02.28.46 # =) 02.28.47 # well you have better luck than me 02.29.09 # I will just wait till I can afford another player since my iRiver refuses to hold charge 02.29.10 # i suppose the person who ported it did sort of tell me exatly what to do but oh well =) 02.29.19 # i don't even know why it worked =) 02.29.32 # that's terrible 02.29.36 # you could replace the battery 02.30.51 # I am thinkihng of just getting a nano 02.30.57 # but apple is so damn expensive 02.31.32 # The nano isn't really that expensive for what it is. I mean, a 1gb flash player without a screen is often $110ish, and with a screen $130. The 1gb nano is $150 02.31.37 Join DrumRBoy320 [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) 02.32.24 # argh.. doom is doing crazy things.. the screen keeps switching on and off 02.32.43 # You mean, the backlight? 02.33.17 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 02.33.31 # well the entire screen goes black 02.33.40 # not to be a total n00b... is there color changer support, or doom on the iPod yet? 02.33.43 # and it only goes on while i'm pressing a button i think 02.33.45 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.34.00 # DrumRBoy320: Colour changer yes. Doom is a patch, but it can be applied to the iPod builds with one small change. 02.34.16 # SuperSnout: In the Display settings menu, go into LCD settings and change the backlight to be always on. 02.34.20 # Outside of doom 02.35.05 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 02.35.07 # haha.. i think my backlight has bees somehow randomly set to one second or something =O 02.35.13 # *been 02.35.22 # how could that randomly happen? 02.36.04 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 02.36.33 # hmm, cool :D 02.36.42 # is there some kind of low battery mode? 02.37.06 Quit Grackshrike (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.37.33 # SuperSnout: If you installed a new build, it's possible it reset your settings. That happens occasionally. 02.37.36 Join Grackshrike [0] (n=alex@d-66-63-85-222.suscom-maine.net) 02.37.44 # The default backlight timeout is 4 seconds 02.38.16 # yeah.. but the back light was switching off almost instantly! 02.38.33 # even though when i went to the setting it said it was on.. 02.38.54 # so i set it to about 4 seconds and then back to on and now it's fine 02.39.01 # really strange though.. 02.41.35 # no idea why? 02.42.02 # Possibly just a glitch in Doom somewhere 02.42.24 # hmm.. strange glitch that it would mess with the lcd timer.. 02.44.08 # how do you zoom in on an image? 02.44.14 # in rockbox.. 02.44.51 Quit Steven (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.45.10 # The most you can zoom is "full size" 02.45.21 # So if the image itself is smaller than the screen, I don't think you can. 02.45.22 # what do you mean? 02.45.28 # 1 pixel per pixel 02.46.03 # so if you had a big image you wouldn't have to look at it small right? 02.46.12 # you could look at it full size.. 02.46.27 # Yeah, but you'd only see a small portion of it on the screen at a time 02.46.59 # yeah.. that's fine.. for say a big subway map 02.47.59 # Yeah 02.48.02 # It would work like that. 02.49.56 # Does anyone in here know if preglow's been told about the equalizer problems? (That the PKs don't work properly?) 02.50.01 # wow.. it works great 02.50.07 # do you know how to zoom out? 02.50.12 # zoom in is navi.. 02.50.30 # I dunno. I don't have an H300 02.52.57 # ok 02.52.58 # SuperSnout: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginJpeg 02.53.08 # (I don't know if it's up to date though) 02.53.12 # thanks 02.53.54 # anybody use OS X (the apple OS)? 02.54.04 # Sometimes 02.54.21 # does it come with an ssh /server/ installed? 02.54.40 # How can I remote into a OS X biox? 02.55.33 # earHertz: System Preferences -> Sharing -> check the SSH Server box 02.55.33 # I dont think it has an ssh server 02.55.35 # something like that 02.55.37 # it just has ssh 02.55.38 # Aditya: it does, I use it 02.55.42 # ah 02.55.43 # k cool 02.55.48 # josh_: thanks 02.55.51 # n/p 02.55.55 Join perl|wtf [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.56.46 # josh_: any idea how the server box creates ssh logins? 02.57.08 # your shortname is the username, your password is the password 02.57.31 # that's easy 02.57.40 # hmm, why cant i view patches? 02.58.15 # gives me some kinda error...Artifact: Only Group Members Can View Private ArtifactTypes 02.58.29 # so I just ssh to the remote's ip, passing -l shortnmname? 02.58.39 # its because you touch urself at night 02.58.40 # earHertz: yes 02.58.43 # :'( 02.58.58 # my friend says that, it annoys the hell outta me ;) 02.59.03 # earHertz: Or "ssh username@host" 02.59.10 # DrumRBoy320: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/ 02.59.12 # New patch tracker 02.59.14 # I use username@host 02.59.16 # but eh 02.59.17 # either works 02.59.27 # linuxstb: yeas, or that. ;) 02.59.37 # DrumRBoy320: I know.. but its fun to say it =P 02.59.55 # ah, ok 02.59.57 # hehe 03.00.35 # where does a .patch file go? 03.02.42 # What do you mean? 03.03.17 # ...i guess its a stupid question, i feel retarded.... when you download a .patch can it just be put in the player somewhere...? 03.03.23 # or does it have to be recompiled? 03.03.54 # It has to be applied and recompiled. 03.04.03 # patch -p0 < patchfile.patch, usually 03.04.15 # from in the source directory (rockbox/ or rockbox-devel/) 03.04.38 # ah, ok (too complex for me ;-) ) 03.08.06 Quit perldiver (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.09.50 # i heard there are problems with rockbox and charging.. 03.10.03 # is it ok to charge from mains while in rockbox? 03.10.06 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@vp089013.reshsg.uci.edu) 03.10.18 # will i be able to get a full charge? 03.12.11 # with what device? 03.14.27 # h320 03.15.03 # no there are no problems with rockbox and charging. Hardware on the h320 takes care of it so its exactly the same as iriver 03.15.38 # but when you plug it in while off it goes into iriver firmware.. 03.16.10 # That was intended at the time until charging was better understood. Only current issue is USB charging 03.16.51 # oh yeah.. that was the one.. 03.17.22 # but the problem with it going into iriver firmware when you charge from off is that it messes up the clock and everything 03.17.32 # So turn it on first. 03.17.42 # good advice =) 03.18.05 # i'm so chuffed about my doom strafing erm.. modification.. 03.18.29 # it works quite nicely 03.18.32 # cool 03.19.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.19.00 # Here's a question though. I'm working on the USB charging for the H320. Why in the hell does Iriver even have that option to Turn OFF USB charging?? 03.19.06 # but you can't get quite the same flexibility as when you are holding down a button to strafe 03.20.04 # pyro: Probably for those people who want to cycle their battery fully each time. 03.20.12 # haha.. maybe someone might randomly want to rinse out the batteries while being plugged into the computer =) 03.20.24 # ahh.. that's true 03.20.49 Quit aegray_ ("leaving") 03.20.56 Join aegray [0] (n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com) 03.21.04 # So do we want that functionality in Rockbox? 03.21.13 # when you're player has low battery.. does rockbox start switching off the screen after 1 sec of inactivity? 03.21.23 # *your 03.21.34 # SuperSnout: yes - I think it's 2 sec although it feels like 1/4 sec 03.21.44 # yeah =) 03.21.49 # okay.. thanks 03.22.44 # Is it even possible to turn USB charging off in other ports of Rockbox? 03.23.24 # pyro: Other than the iPods I don't even know if other Rockbox devices charge via USB 03.23.37 # Yes, some of the Archos devices do. 03.24.06 # linuxstb: and there's no option to turn usb charging off? 03.24.24 # I don't know. 03.24.44 # As any ipod user will tell you, I've ignored the battery/charging code so far... 03.25.16 # * Paul_The_Nerd grins. 03.25.21 # It charges on USB just fine, thank you. 03.26.47 Quit BHSPitLappy2 (Connection timed out) 03.34.25 # Paul_The_Nerd: my h320 charges over USB 03.34.52 # atleast in the default firmware 03.35.01 # haven't tried charging under rockbox yet 03.35.28 # Aditya: it will depend on the setting under iriver's firmware whether it does or not 03.35.47 # Just figured out how to get Rockbox to control USB charging tonight :) 03.36.11 # pyro: yeah I know and I always have it off =P 03.36.15 # its pretty damn annoying 03.36.40 # out of curiosity: Why do you have it off? 03.37.02 # because when I plug in my USB cable it goes into charging mode 03.37.11 # when I really want to just copy files over 03.37.31 # oh - you can press play after that and it will go into USB "copy mode" 03.37.42 # that's why I don't understand that setting 03.37.44 # meh 03.37.45 Quit perl|wtf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.37.50 # I dont really care much for it 03.37.51 # how does the dict plugin work? 03.37.58 # I rarely need to charge over USB 03.38.47 # does anyone know? 03.39.19 # is it just me or is everyone else H320's battery dying before the 2-3 years everyone says its supposed to last? 03.39.23 # what is teh OS X eqivalwent to chkdsk? fsck? 03.44.15 # does nobody know? 03.45.28 Join jaebird [0] (n=jae@38.96.210.3) 03.46.30 # adi: yep 03.46.33 # earHertz: http://www.ss64.com/osx/fdisk.html 03.46.38 # i replaced mine after 8 months of heavy use 03.46.42 # of couse i got a h340 03.46.45 # but same model 03.46.49 # yeah 03.46.51 # I use it a lot 03.47.01 # I guess a new battery is in order 03.47.35 # yep 03.47.40 # i got that 2200 ipod battery 03.47.41 # worth it 03.47.51 # i get like 8 hours on rockbox 03.47.53 # about 03.48.02 # 8 hours? 03.48.04 # that is with screen refreshes, games, doom and stuff 03.48.07 # hmm 03.48.08 # ah;) 03.48.16 # maybe more with just music 03.48.19 # I used to get like 10 - 14 with a new iriver 03.48.20 # maybe? 03.48.21 # i havent done a test, i want to 03.48.27 # i need too btw 03.48.28 # heh 03.48.28 # the tests show A LOT more 03.48.36 # battery benchmark 03.48.37 # like 20+ 03.48.46 # atleast for normal iriver firmware 03.48.48 # i wanna do one with my battery just to see what i get 03.48.51 # on rockbox 03.48.57 # if I remember correctly rockbox was just as good 03.49.12 # yeah, i think its the screen on/of that kills the battery 03.49.23 # cause i never used stock firmware with new battery 03.49.33 # i put hdd in upside down and fried it 03.49.47 # then v1 bootloader, came out while it was out of commission 03.49.56 # so i went 60 gig hdd, 2200 battery, inskin 03.50.01 # for rockbox 03.50.25 # nice;) 03.50.49 # I've been wondering about getting the 2200mah too 03.50.52 # yeah the ultimate playtoy 03.50.56 # but my player is kinda tired 03.51.03 # waay too many fixes 03.51.04 # music on the iriver, and games on the psp 03.51.07 # and its awesome 03.51.22 # I have to add extra paper to make the harddrive press the pcb together 03.51.26 # only thing now is to learn how to code or patch and compile the cvs 03.51.28 # hehe 03.51.44 # cause sometimes needleboy doesnt update with the patches that i want 03.51.45 # =P 03.51.54 # but its so awesome having a "optimized build" 03.51.58 # its so awesome 03.52.03 # testing new features 03.52.17 Quit SuperSnout ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050919]") 04.08.22 # k 04.09.27 # can anyone help with doing a recursive cvs diff? I'm trying cvs diff -u -r ./ > patch but it's complaing about "no such tag . " 04.10.05 # cvs diff is recursive by default. 04.10.20 # The "-r" option is used to indicate a revision 04.10.37 # So "cvs diff -u3 > file.patch" is all you need. 04.11.14 # ahhh, thanks 04.11.31 Join Leperkawn [0] (n=chatzill@68-188-193-92.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 04.11.52 # So, rockbox runs on the 5g? 04.12.02 # Leperkawn, yes 04.12.14 # What testing could I do? 04.12.20 # * linuxstb is listening to Rockbox now on his 5g 04.12.22 # As a non-programmer, that is. 04.12.28 # testing? you could.. use it.. :) 04.12.30 Join pyro2 [0] (n=nitrion2@ool-4356277c.dyn.optonline.net) 04.12.31 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.12.36 # =P 04.12.48 # How would I do that, boot my ipod firmware and my iriver? 04.13.01 # Gimme a sec to explain. 04.13.15 # Acutally 04.13.22 # after thinking, I just won't have itunes autosort my files 04.13.26 # Thanks guys =P 04.13.35 # fking itunes >_< 04.13.43 # what does iTunesControl on teh iopod firmware contain? 04.14.09 # Asking me? 04.14.24 # no, linuxstb 04.14.33 # as he's teh porter 04.14.52 # earHertz, ipod/itunes' proprietary id3 database, iiuc 04.14.55 # No idea - Rockbox ignores those files. 04.15.05 # indeed 04.15.29 # I don't suppose you've had any new thought s on compiling for 64MB? 04.15.33 # It's not an aim of Rockbox to integrate with iTunes - but someone will probably add it in the future. 04.15.44 # Eh 04.15.51 # SongBird is where its at 04.15.57 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.15.57 # You guys must've heard of SB? 04.16.17 # Tried it, hated it. 04.16.23 # What is it? 04.16.32 # "lean and mean" is how I like things. 04.16.36 # open source iTunes clone 04.16.49 # linuxstb: I hope you dont like iTunes then 04.16.52 # really? 04.16.52 # Well, it's at like v. 0.1 right now. 04.16.59 # http://www.songbirdnest.com 04.17.01 # earHertz: yes 04.17.04 # Is their main site. 04.17.20 # I very much abhor itune's handling of classical music 04.17.35 # I very much abhor iTunes.. period. 04.17.37 Quit Shadowarrior13 () 04.17.40 # Oh how do I loath itunes 04.17.44 # And it's evil evil-ness. 04.17.55 # well, it's not a bad first cut 04.17.56 # you mean its utter retardness 04.17.59 # Aditya: Of course not. iTunes can't even organise normal albums if they have different artists for different tracks. 04.18.01 # And i loathe the fact that I have 1 too few USB ports 04.18.09 # songbird looks neat 04.18.11 # underdtand, I wanted a db for rockbox back in 2003 04.18.13 # mouse, ipod, external harddrive: I have to pick 2. 04.18.14 # but WMP 10 works for me 04.18.16 # and it works well 04.18.18 # I like songbird much. 04.18.28 # I like foobar2000 much too 04.18.32 # heh 04.18.40 # foobar doesn't do video too well though ;) 04.18.46 # Yeah 04.18.52 # I used to use winamp.. but eh.. WMP 10 ftw 04.19.02 # I don't have a great video player, i just use WMP 04.19.03 # has anyone used foobar and that plugin to unmyunged ipod's direcetory dtructure? 04.19.12 # eh 04.19.15 # H320 here.. 04.19.22 # just a regular USB device... mmmm 04.19.47 # I still dont get what the little puff at the back of the songbird logo is 04.19.52 # I mean is the bird farting?? 04.20.02 # Yes 04.20.03 # Exactly 04.20.17 # I use Media Player Classic for Video, and foobar for audio personally 04.20.20 # earHertz: foo_pod doesn't seem to work with the very latest version of the iTunesdb. That's always going to be a problem, which is why I'm not that interested in adding itunes support. 04.20.20 # Anyways, what does the compilation feature in iTunes do? 04.20.20 # Though I hear VLC is quite good 04.20.53 # I use WMP 10 a lot since our uni gives us free DRMed music 04.21.11 # as in unlimited downloads and such.. just need WMP 10 to play it.. 04.21.23 # winamp plays em too.. but renewing is not so nice in winamp 04.21.32 # yeah 04.21.36 # linuxstb: I agree about not adding support 04.21.36 # VLC is a NICE video player 04.21.43 # and Foobar is nice for audio 04.21.47 # I think adding iTunes support is a somewhat bad idea, simply because in a way it's endorsing one specific music organizing program/system over another, unless you start trying to interact with others. 04.21.50 # I love foobar. 04.21.56 # integrated with gaim...mmmmm.... 04.21.58 # yep 04.22.02 # I would like to get my mp3s organized though, so that i can use both rb and teh ipod firmware on my ipod 04.22.03 # meh 04.22.07 # yeah 04.22.14 # It seems to me that since Rockbox has its own database format, it may as well just stick with it 04.22.15 # if you are going to add code for iTunes.. make it a plugin and optional 04.22.17 # I mean, I can use the rb, but I'd like the directories to be sorted. and stuff 04.22.20 # alot of people want that feature cause they are dumbasses and cont organize them selves =P 04.22.27 # I dont want my rockbox install to do anything with iTunes 04.22.33 # but i want the directorys yes 04.22.48 # yeah 04.22.49 # yeah, make the itunes db thing a plugin, or an option 04.22.53 # not default either 04.22.57 # there is no reason why we need to look at iTunes db 04.22.58 # well, sure 04.23.06 # I agree, aditya. 04.23.09 # Filetree is fine 04.23.12 # or us organized people 04.23.13 # its just another db 04.23.16 # Paul_The_Nerd: how does rb's databse compare to the ipod's? 04.23.27 # if anything we should make the rockbox db innovative and do stuff of our own 04.23.36 # Agree'd 04.23.44 # would it be possible to like have wifi? 04.23.48 # now that would be neat 04.23.54 # Wifi? 04.23.56 # but itunes is already how people have their shit organized 04.23.59 # I guess you would need a controller though 04.23.59 # so what about 04.24.03 # auto folder the db 04.24.04 # like 04.24.05 # Aditya: ah - rb should be USEABLE. if that means innovation, fine -- it that means copying, fine too 04.24.22 # Artist/ALbum/trknumber-title.ext 04.24.23 # Aditya: The rockbox db is in the process of being rewritten. The existing one has been left to rot over the last year or so. 04.24.30 # from the db 04.24.34 # eh.. just because a bunch of ipod users use iTunes, we sholdn't change the course of rockbox 04.24.43 # the itunes that is, that way no db, it just converts the filenames so its like a db 04.24.45 # but filetree 04.24.46 # earHertz: Since it's open source, theoretically it could surpass it in any and all ways if people contributed to developing it. 04.24.48 # linuxstb: good to hear 04.24.49 # No one likes itunes anyway 04.24.51 # and have shortcuts 04.24.54 # o well 04.24.57 # its however 04.24.58 # Aditya: here's the thing: how on rockbox do I play all tunes by Betthoven? 04.25.03 # cause i will use filetree al the time 04.25.06 # Leperkawn: I have seen people swear on iTunes 04.25.09 # my only option is to make a playlist on my pc 04.25.10 # it always amazes me 04.25.18 # Aditya: They know nothing. 04.25.19 # itunes is nice, if you want simple shit with no features 04.25.23 # my friends swear on it 04.25.24 # Exactly 04.25.35 # let me pluf it in, it will auto add my music 04.25.38 # earHertz: I am thinking that new rewrite of rb will fix that 04.25.39 Join aaronfg [0] (n=yubaba@ool-4356c95b.dyn.optonline.net) 04.25.40 # I thought most people swore at it... 04.25.42 # im like, i can add my shit anyway i want 04.25.47 # and faster than itunes 04.25.54 # who is re-writing it? 04.25.58 # and get to any songon my iriver, before you can in ituntes 04.26.05 # linuxstb: is there going to be some sort of ID3 sorting ? 04.26.07 # and i have like 8 deep directories 04.26.09 # in the rewrite I mean 04.26.20 # well, im out niggas 04.26.22 # hold it down 04.26.31 # keep the patches/CVS changes coming 04.26.39 # later ... dawg... 04.26.41 # *cough* 04.26.44 # ha 04.26.51 # I don't know what features there will be, but the main one is that Rockbox itself will create and maintain the database - you just drag-and-drop files as normal. You won't need any PC software to create the database. 04.27.11 # hmm 04.27.14 # doesn't rb do that now? 04.27.24 # that's a mis-feature 04.27.29 # think about it. 04.27.41 # No, like all mp3 players, you need an application on the PC to create the database. 04.27.43 # if you would elaborate... 04.27.47 Quit pyro (Success) 04.27.49 # oh 04.27.59 # But it's just a Perl script... 04.28.08 # so I guess bootup time would be mucho faster and not so dependant on number of songs eh? 04.28.09 # Aditya: now it requires tyou to scan teh files on a pc 04.28.33 # earHertz: I dont need to scan anything 04.28.35 # I just drag and drop 04.28.40 # and it works 04.28.45 # to use teh current rb db 04.29.04 # although I beleive there is some provision to add on teh fly from rb 04.29.21 # No, I don't think there is. But I've never used it. 04.29.23 # teh problem with that is, it's harder to write a db that's (easily) updatable 04.29.23 # I use the USB connection through the default iRiver "OS" 04.29.41 # how so? 04.29.41 # an updateable db necessarily takes more spce 04.29.55 # a database is writable by design 04.30.00 # thats what makes it a database 04.30.00 # well, if it's not updateable, you can write your indexes once 04.30.14 # and nort have to insert stuff into them 04.30.16 # When did 5g begin to play audio? 04.30.31 # about two weeks ago. 04.30.35 # earHertz: why would inserting be any different than replacing? 04.30.35 # Ah. 04.30.36 # Aditya: yes, that's what makes it a db, in some sense 04.30.37 # or deleing 04.30.41 # So i'm not -that- much behind. 04.30.48 # If it was like... Two months.. I would shoot myself. 04.30.58 # a database = you can store data, access it quick (using a hash maybe) and update entries or add or delete 04.31.01 # because to insert in teh middle, you have to move everything that comes after the insertion point 04.31.12 # not really 04.31.25 # differnt algorithms have differnrt readig and updating efiiciencies 04.31.40 # yeah.. thats the whole point 04.31.41 # as it happens, the best reading efficiency coomes at the cost of piss-poor updat eefficiency 04.31.47 # this is true for "real" databses too 04.31.55 # I was away and didn't see that the color settings had been added in officially. very nice 04.31.58 # thats a big generalization 04.32.04 # and its probably not true either 04.32.06 # "reeal" databses get arounfd this by using various strategies 04.32.28 # but all are costly in terms of time and space 04.32.47 # and the more memory we use for the databnse, the less we have for the sioong buffer 04.33.07 # Does anyone know why itunes trims filename lengths? 04.33.11 # in any case, what do you have to have to copy a song to your portable player? 04.33.14 # depending on how you store the database, you dont really have to load much into memory 04.33.24 # Leperkawn: on teh ipod disk you mean? 04.33.31 # you just store it as chuncks in the filesystem 04.33.47 # and earHertz: I just plug in my USB cable... and just drag and drop from explorer 04.33.50 # Aditya: sure, but to scan teh whole db, tyou have to load it all 04.34.01 # Leperkawn: To minimise the space taken in the database, with the side-effect that stops the average person copying the files back to your PC. 04.34.04 # to get around ascansm, you can use indeces, but then you have to load those 04.34.05 # why would you want to scan the whole db earHertz? 04.34.09 # erHerts: No, when you import it 04.34.10 # to itunes 04.34.23 # Ah, i see linuxstb. 04.34.25 # Leperkawn: I don't beleive it does taht on import 04.34.48 # Average person = no id3 tag knowledge? 04.34.58 # erm 04.35.01 # not really 04.35.05 # a lot of people tag their music 04.35.07 # no 04.35.10 # according to linuxstb 04.35.14 # they just dont know its ID3 or what not 04.35.32 # they just know iTunes or WMP will remember that name and artist the next time they load the software 04.35.43 # linuxstb> Leperkawn: To minimise the space taken in the database, with the ///side-effect that stops the average person copying the files back to your PC./// 04.35.47 # I was asking him about that 04.36.08 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@192.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 04.36.37 # but its really irrelevant. 04.36.49 # yeah 04.36.51 # just like you 04.36.53 # oooohhhhhhh 04.36.54 # Yeah 04.36.56 # Basically 04.36.57 # hehe 04.36.58 # ='( 04.37.04 # -cuts self- 04.37.05 # I am just kidding dude 04.37.09 # ewww 04.37.12 # dont go all emo on us 04.37.16 # =P 04.37.26 # mr. razor goes down the river, not across 04.37.59 # erm 04.38.05 # -dead chat- 04.38.05 # Aditya: some notes I wrote back when on this: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0758.shtml 04.39.09 # Time to put rb on my 5g 04.39.16 # all I am saying is that you dont really need to scan the whole db 04.39.20 # now that i did that compilation shit on itunes, that really fixed my file lib 04.39.29 # you just need to scan each layer as you go 04.40.03 # Aditya: and http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-12/0805.shtml 04.40.17 # Oh, good thing iTunes needs to randomly copy 500 songs. Good thing I actually modified those songs 04.40.17 # then again it probably gets extremely annoying working with a 4V processor 04.40.24 # -end sarcasm 04.40.38 # I hate iTunes 04.40.48 # I plugged in a USB stick with some music on it 04.40.52 # And iTunes knows the best way to update a song is to recopy the whole damn song and not update the one on my ipod 04.40.59 # and told iTunes to play it (I was stuck on a G5) 04.41.03 # and what does it to? 04.41.07 # eck 04.41.10 # it doesn't just play it off the stick 04.41.12 # -winces- 04.41.18 # it copies everything to my home directory at uni. 04.41.19 # Good thing it didnt try to format it 04.41.26 # thereby filling my home dir up 04.41.30 # and causing my account to lock up 04.41.31 # ugh 04.41.41 # Its better than syncing with wmp though 04.41.44 # not by much but it is 04.41.44 # Leperkawn: itunes can't teall what changes you've e made to the song fiel, only that it has changed. wrgop the full copy 04.41.55 # Either way it pisses me off =) 04.42.01 # yes, me too 04.42.06 # wrgop? 04.42.11 # explorer + h320 ftw 04.42.12 # ergo 04.42.19 # i reqally type badly 04.42.23 # =P 04.42.24 # yeah we can see 04.42.28 # think of it as a thick accent 04.42.33 # but with text. 04.42.38 # I used to have a h320 04.42.38 # more like a slur 04.42.39 # yeah 04.42.42 # then i sold it to get my 5g 04.42.45 # of a a slur, yeas 04.42.47 # traitor 04.42.50 # Yeah yeah 04.42.57 # lol I dont really care 04.43.00 # everyone says ipod users dont look at the DAP market 04.43.06 # but thats only true for the noobs. 04.43.09 # but I dont know.. iPods just make sick for some reason 04.43.22 # As long as they're not plugged into a comptuer they're nice 04.43.25 # slim, 30 gb 04.43.28 # plays vids 04.43.29 # the nano is the only one thats cool 04.43.35 # nanos to fking small 04.43.40 # meh 04.43.42 # i'd lose that puppy 04.43.48 # and its overpriced, i mean 250? 04.43.53 # thats alot. 04.44.01 # well the regular video ipod costs 400 bucks 04.44.04 # 300 04.44.11 # my h320 costs like 200 bucks 04.44.12 # well 04.44.17 # the 60 gig is 400 04.44.18 # and it does more 04.44.24 # I liked my h320 04.44.28 # without any weird attachments 04.44.31 # but i honestly like my 30gb 5g better 04.44.39 # meh 04.44.44 # they are slim though, I give you that 04.44.44 # scroll wheel looked gay at first 04.44.46 # but its god 04.44.52 # and they are cool looking 04.44.59 # you dont know how much a scroll wheel is god 04.45.03 # if a h320 had one... man.... 04.45.03 # if they made an iRiver H320x or something 04.45.16 # which had the same look as the H320 but thinner 04.45.19 # they never updated the h320 firmware and iriver wasnt out when i had mine 04.45.19 # I would be in heaven 04.45.26 # so i was pissed 04.45.29 # cause I love the carbon fiber look 04.45.39 # h320 + scrollwheel (touch) 04.45.41 # would pwn 04.45.44 # + slim 04.45.52 # i would sell my ipod prolly =P 04.45.59 # if it had a 60/80 gb one 04.46.01 # for like 400 04.46.17 # I hate when i type, i hit enter way too much. 04.46.17 # I want to learn how to make these things work 04.46.21 # and then take some metal shop courses 04.46.23 Quit Hideo () 04.46.40 # carbon fibre case + color screen (maybe touch screen) + rest of good stuff 04.46.40 # Just get a plasic vaccum mold 04.46.48 # forget plastic 04.46.51 # carbon fibre 04.46.57 # harder to make though 04.47.00 # yeah 04.47.06 # harder to break too 04.47.08 # plasic you just vacumme mold it 04.47.09 # and light as fuck 04.47.11 # yeah 04.47.56 # I need USB 2 on my lappy 04.47.58 # hell 04.47.59 # I need a tower 04.48.04 # my lappy sucks. p3. 04.48.06 # ugh. 04.48.12 # 600m here 04.48.18 # and while it rocks by numbers.. its fugly 04.48.25 # I want an IBM... 04.48.40 # 66m? 04.48.41 # i mean 04.48.43 # 600m? 04.49.11 # dell 600m 04.49.13 # Does anyone have an update on album art? I know there was a patch out there for it, but is it implimented in the bleeding edge builds yet? 04.49.16 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graphite_reinforced_plastic ... thats the shit 04.49.22 # I just realized... 04.49.26 # With rockbox 04.49.32 # and default firmware 04.49.35 # How is that going to work? 04.49.40 # erm 04.49.41 # Im goign to need 2 copies of all my music 04.49.42 # it wont 04.49.45 # Yeah 04.49.48 # well 04.49.53 # i can copy my music over twice >_< 04.50.00 # what are you talking about?? 04.50.07 # See 04.50.12 # I have my ipod as normal 04.50.17 # with the garbled files 04.50.19 # you know? 04.50.30 # Then i take my file lib and bring it over for rockbox to use. 04.50.38 # hence haveing 2 copies of my file lib on my ipod 04.50.45 # lowering my storage to about 13 gig. 04.50.46 # I think rockbox and your own firmware just share the files 04.50.57 # But, if its filetree... 04.50.58 # unless your files are DRMed 04.51.00 # No 04.51.04 # it doesn't matter 04.51.07 # they are just sound files 04.51.09 # You know how the files are scrambled? 04.51.18 # Or does it read ID3 tags and not filenames? 04.51.21 # oh on the ipod 04.51.27 # Yes 04.51.28 # heck if I know 04.51.33 # thats why it sucks 04.51.36 # Yes. 04.51.38 # nyeah! 04.51.38 # =P 04.51.39 # Only 1/2 storage 04.51.47 # scrwe it 04.51.52 # if rockbox plays music fine 04.51.57 # why do i need the original firmware? 04.52.06 # hey look.. he learns 04.52.24 # That's the question you're supposed to ask, and the answer should be "I don't." :) 04.52.32 # =P 04.52.43 # Does rockbox play sound nearly 100% fine? 04.52.50 # without too much playback issues? 04.53.17 # As long as you're not using DRMed music, yeah 04.53.42 # I personally don't have *any* playback issues, but I use ogg-vorbis format music 04.54.03 # I dont have any issues either 04.54.04 # Yeah 04.54.11 # I use mp3 04.54.18 # one thing that bugs me is that it doesn't go to the next directory after a directory is done playing 04.54.24 # I use mp3 Leperkawn 04.54.29 # it plays em fine 04.54.36 # Ok 04.54.37 # mp3 is "pretty good" right now. You *shouldn't* have any issues, unless you're using equalizer with particularly high bitrate files 04.54.48 # 250mb/s on some... 04.54.50 # i think 04.54.52 # around there. 04.55.00 # whatever high qual on Exact Audio Copy is. 04.55.03 # -checks- 04.55.12 # erm 04.55.14 # kb/s 04.55.52 # Yeah 04.55.56 # it reads playlists right? 04.56.06 # Those play fine on my Nano, with replaygain, but I don't use the equalizer so I can't attest for that personally 04.56.12 # It uses .m3u playlists, yes. 04.56.54 # what type does the ipod create? 04.56.58 # When it does 'on the go' 04.57.15 # They are just created in the database. 04.57.53 # gah. 04.57.58 # Gotta make my own then. 04.57.59 # No problem. 04.58.11 # Curse you, ipod database! 04.58.29 # Leperkawn: With rockbox you can make them on the go and save as .m3us though 04.58.31 # heh 04.58.36 # Nice 04.58.42 # thats what you get for betraying us and moving to the iRiver 04.58.45 # Too bad rockbox didn't come out sooner for the h320 04.58.48 # err apple I mean 04.58.49 # hehe 04.58.50 # I waited for a year, man! 04.58.52 # =P 04.58.56 # yeah 04.58.59 # Rockbox loves you in ways Apple can't. 04.59.00 # plus im in love wiht my scrool wheel 04.59.04 # scroll* 04.59.12 # man that things nice compared to the h320 buttons 04.59.18 # navigation is so easy 04.59.20 # I like my buttons 04.59.37 # its easy to do things when you are in a crowded train and you cant really pull your player out 04.59.49 # wtf trains =P 04.59.55 # you know.. 04.59.57 # Closest passanger train to me is.... Far away. 05.00.06 # We have iron ore hauling trains all over though 05.00.08 # some of us have to actually commute and go to college 05.00.13 # Psh 05.00.15 # Pshhh 05.00.23 # * Leperkawn pshh's at you 05.00.30 # *ignore* 05.01.19 # -sad- 05.01.56 Join virtualball2 [0] (n=virtualb@AC9B8365.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.21 # heylo virtualball2 05.02.34 # hey 05.02.53 # has anyone had an error saying "Data Abort"? 05.03.18 Join StingerDL [0] (n=Bob@ool-44c13921.dyn.optonline.net) 05.03.19 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB1DC9A.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.40 # virtualball2: doing what? 05.04.39 # well it happens when i do 2 things, one when i play doom, i can do things until i click new game and then it shows that, also when i change my backdrop, but only on one picture 05.04.53 # its obvious 05.04.56 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 05.04.59 # its because you touch your dog at night 05.05.08 # hahha 05.05.33 # hi 05.05.44 # virtualball2: You could play doom before? Also, is the backdrop a 24-bit bitmap at the right resolution (not 16-bit, or anything odd about it?) 05.05.47 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 05.05.55 # if it matters the rest is "Data Abort at 4000CA08" 05.06.15 # Paul_The_Nerd, ya i could, and i could also use that .bmp before 05.06.22 # Hm 05.06.47 # At which point I suggest cleanly reinstalling your build. (Reset settings, then delete the folder and the file before copying a new one one) 05.06.56 # ok 05.07.17 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.09.13 # I swear by the end of the night I will have rockbox on my ipod 05.09.19 # (has usb1) 05.09.21 # =( 05.09.37 # * Leperkawn goes and preps the cappuchino maker for tomorrow morning 05.10.10 # lol 05.10.13 # windows? 05.10.17 # Dont remind me 05.10.29 # haha if you had mac, i could have helped you :-P 05.10.45 # Usb 1... sooo sloooowwww 05.11.05 # lol 05.11.18 # who here has an ipod? 05.11.25 # * Leperkawn raises hand 05.11.44 # wanna do me a favor Leperkawn 05.11.44 Join Hideo [0] (n=irc@tor/session/x-0c5a753c8d988c27) 05.11.45 # ? 05.11.47 # sure 05.12.05 # as long as it doesnt involve impact testing 05.12.06 # tell me the size in bytes of your itunesdb on teh ipod 05.12.22 # Oooh, ooh, mine's 0! 05.12.29 # :-P 05.12.31 # Paul_The_Nerd: really? 05.12.36 # I deleted it 05.12.49 # ok 05.12.53 # Hehehe 05.13.09 # Size: 1,482,764 Size on Disk: same but ends with 52 05.13.09 # ...i dont use rockbox to listen to music :-P 05.13.16 # and you just copied your fs to the ipod fs? 05.13.19 # 1.5 grand songs in my lib 05.13.34 # Leperkawn: how many songs on the ipod? 05.13.36 # earHertz: I did, yes. 05.13.36 # i have 1245 songs 05.13.41 # exactly? 05.13.45 # exactly 05.13.47 # 1437 05.13.54 # virtualball2: I use my rockbox almost exclusively for music. 05.13.57 # i paid for mine ^_^ 05.14.01 # I have a shitload im too lazy to put in itunes though 05.14.10 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 05.14.23 # interesting. You use about 1000 bytes per song 05.14.38 # whereas I use about 1500 05.15.23 # Do you put comments or composers in tyour id3 tags? 05.16.12 # No comments 05.16.16 # composers... no 05.16.26 # that much account for it 05.16.27 # I use genre, name, artist, album 05.16.31 # and have some compilations 05.16.34 # well 05.16.41 # a few have composers/comments 05.16.41 # earHertz, no 05.16.43 # but not much 05.16.53 # virtualball2: no what? 05.16.54 # \i use genre, artist, song, album, and year 05.17.04 # i occasionally use year if its already there 05.17.15 # earHertz, no i dont use comments or composers 05.17.22 # sorry for being late lol 05.17.34 # virtualball2: but since you don't use the ipod firmware, that tells me nothing. ;) 05.17.37 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.17.49 Part midkay ("Leaving") 05.18.06 # earHertz, i do, i use it fo videos and songs 05.18.16 # you didnt chime in when he asked 05.18.18 # for ipod users 05.18.18 Part Paul_The_Nerd 05.18.28 # virtualball2: ok, can you tell me teh size in bytes of your itunesdc fiel on teh ipod? 05.18.39 # what? haha 05.18.47 # itunesdb 05.18.48 # Leperkawn 05.18.48 # you mean 05.18.56 # I jsut found the perfect HDD for my plan 05.19.00 # http://techbargains.pricegrabber.com/search_techspecs_full.php/masterid=14192063 05.19.01 # Si? 05.19.01 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.19.07 # 4 gb ... 78 bucks 05.19.17 # Ooohhhhh 05.19.19 # noice 05.19.21 # double it up 05.19.24 # 8gb 05.19.26 # and its size... 5mm x 42mm x 42mm 05.19.28 # which is crazy 05.19.30 # quadrupple it..... 05.19.33 # no 05.19.39 # I want it to be relatively cheap 05.19.41 # I would. If i was rich. 05.19.43 # well 05.19.47 # I want to be rich when i grow up. 05.19.48 # by the time I am ready to do this 05.19.52 # it would be much cheaper 05.19.55 # the HDD I mean 05.19.58 # Thas a damn nice hdd 05.20.00 # well 05.20.04 # or you stay the same price and get more space 05.20.06 # by then 05.20.26 # isnt 4gb flash cheaper than that? 05.20.33 # JdGordon: nope 05.20.44 # flash is expensive 05.20.45 # oh ok 05.20.47 # in my experiences 05.21.01 # you cabn get a 1gb sd for that 05.21.38 # flash is crazy expensive 05.21.51 # especially when you get to the 4gb - 8gb range 05.22.08 # sony to be releasing 8gb sticks 05.22.12 # targeted for psp owners 05.22.15 # yes, but I paid as much for my 512 MB a few years ago 05.22.27 # hitachi is coming out with 16GB flash 05.22.29 # 8gb.. 05.22.35 # Yes 05.22.36 # I wonder how much that will cost 05.22.37 # 8gb 05.22.37 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.22.46 # targeted for the psp pron viewers =P 05.22.48 # earHertz: the point is cost 05.23.02 # its on slashdot somewhere 05.23.04 # i believe 05.23.10 # if the media itself costs me like 200 bucks, there is no point in making my own mp3 player 05.23.11 # yeah, but I remember when a 20 MB hdd cost $1000 05.23.17 # heh 05.23.32 # we had 10 mb HDDs in our HS in the old comp rooms 05.23.35 # it was fun 05.23.38 # no one used em 05.23.39 # but eh 05.23.41 # hell, my first pc had two floppy drives an no hdd at all 05.23.47 # try programming on that 05.23.48 # I am not that old lol 05.23.55 # in assembly 05.24.03 # how old are you? 05.24.07 # oh: and no graphics. text only monior 05.24.13 # I'm an old mofo 05.24.22 # in one color 05.24.28 # green 05.24.31 # we get the point 05.24.32 # read as: an old mofo in color 05.24.41 # in monochrome 05.24.55 # hmm 05.25.02 # how much would carbon fiber cost? 05.25.04 # a faster moxem was 2600 bits per second 05.25.07 Nick pyro2 is now known as pyro (n=nitrion2@ool-4356277c.dyn.optonline.net) 05.25.08 # Anyone here read any wecomics? 05.25.24 # besides pvp? :) 05.26.00 # i KEAN, YOUR M,P PALTERS ARE MUCH MORE POWERFUL THAN OUR PCS WERE 05.26.15 # I read PVP, Penny Arcade, Ctrl+Alt+Del, Dr. McNinja, and used to read force monkeys till it stopped updating 05.27.52 # How do you get a mbr again? 05.28.22 # anyone have a link to that thing that restores your ipod to factory default? 05.29.04 # iPod Updater 05.29.11 # Eep, found it 05.29.20 # ok 05.29.32 # 1-10 is the newest right? 05.29.39 # ya 05.29.45 Quit markun (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.29.50 # so does anyone know how to get an mbr? 05.30.00 # "ipod manager internal error" 05.30.03 # then it crashes. 05.30.05 # -_- 05.30.08 # lol 05.30.08 # master boot record/ 05.30.11 # ? 05.30.15 # ya 05.30.25 # various utls will copy it for you 05.30.36 # do you know one or linux? 05.30.50 # well, dd i n theorty, I suppose 05.31.00 # as in ##linux 05.31.03 # ask 05.31.05 Join markun [0] (n=markun@2001:610:1908:8000:250:daff:fe47:4a8f) 05.35.00 # Preparing to wipe my ipod 05.35.03 # then install rockbox 05.35.22 # i should just format it to fat32, eh? 05.35.27 # and not use the ipod thing? 05.35.54 # if i dont want to use itunes/default firmware 05.36.13 # I am not sure you can just run the rockbox firmware 05.37.26 # Hmm 05.39.00 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.39.05 # I suppose it would be best just to follow the instructions word for word 05.44.15 # Anyways, i feel like starting to _TRY_ to port the periodic table to the iPod 05.46.41 # That would be sweet. 05.46.59 # a shitload of plugins. I saw my friends 120 05.47.00 # ya 05.47.03 # he has sudoku! 05.47.07 # I want sudoku! 05.47.35 # iPod has a soduke *caugh8solver*caugh* 05.47.37 # lol 05.47.48 # *sodoku 05.49.00 # Heh 05.49.03 # I'll have to check it out 05.49.10 # im still getting around to installing rb 05.49.18 # its not that fun :-( lol 05.49.20 # 8 solver? shouldnt it be 9 solver? 05.49.31 # dunno 05.49.35 # -shrugs 05.49.35 # i used it once 05.49.40 # I shall have to brb though. 05.49.46 # though you can dl .ss files and play with those 05.49.52 Quit Leperkawn ("Chatzilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 05.51.08 Quit StingerDL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.53.37 # who has an ipod photo color? 05.55.59 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 06.00.37 Join Leperkawn [0] (n=chatzill@68-188-193-92.dhcp.mrqt.mi.charter.com) 06.00.46 # yo estoy aqui 06.01.04 # what's teh apple fiormware max version fo rit? 06.01.53 # Uh... 06.01.58 # Can you restate please? 06.02.12 # Yo hablo espa–ol tambien! 06.03.02 # loco. 06.04.13 # im in the act of restoring my ipod. 06.04.44 # then to install rockbox. 06.04.50 # on a nice clean ipod. 06.06.11 # In random news 06.06.13 # http://simcityneworleans.ytmnd.com/ 06.06.14 # XD 06.12.27 Join infamis [0] (n=444e641a@labb.contactor.se) 06.15.41 # ...hmm so it's about 6am/7am for you Europe-peans 06.19.02 # its 12:20 here 06.20.11 # 23:00 here cdt 06.21.15 # it seems I have to be up at 4-5am cause that's when the Europeans kick in...for us poor USA'nians 06.24.16 # lol 06.31.00 # 12:30 here 06.31.03 # A.M. 06.31.09 # zzZZZzzzz -twitches- 06.31.13 # ugh 06.31.15 # I still have hw 06.31.19 # I might 06.31.20 # and I dont feel like doing it 06.31.24 # That's what study hall is for 06.31.41 Quit aaronfg (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.32.03 # finally got around to putting on rockbot... im in the command prompt as we speak 06.32.06 # box 06.32.08 # * 06.35.18 # got the bootloader up 06.45.03 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-74-105.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 06.49.01 # Is there a larger font i could use? 06.49.16 # eep, got it 06.50.02 Quit Arrogant (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.50.42 Quit JdGordon (Connection reset by peer) 06.52.03 Part LinusN 06.52.43 Join perl|wtf [0] (n=say@cpe-66-65-89-236.nyc.res.rr.com) 07.00.32 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.01.30 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzzz") 07.01.34 # Oh man is rockbox sexy. 07.01.37 # I wanna sex0r it. 07.02.00 # time to up my moosecks onto it 07.05.08 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.06.13 # So, anyone know about this foobar extension? 07.08.24 Quit dpassen1 () 07.09.31 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.09.37 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.umbc.edu) 07.13.13 Quit Hideo (Remote closed the connection) 07.14.36 Quit Leperkawn ("Chatzilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 07.15.30 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 07.19.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.21.26 # ahaa!!! I figured it out! 07.21.34 # Aha? 07.22.15 # yup...line feeds(0x0A) messes up bitmaps on cygwin...and causes it to prepend the carriage return! 07.22.41 # in bejeweled_jewels.160x128x16, there's two occurrences of 0x0A bytes... 07.22.53 Quit TCK ("well, if you say so.") 07.23.19 # infamis: But you've set it to dos instead of unix files 07.23.33 # You changed the settings from "default" for cygwin, which means you didn't follow the installation instructions properly anyway 07.23.54 # lol if that's true 07.24.04 # It works for me 07.24.06 # and the image is binary in CVS 07.24.07 # And mine are set to unix files 07.24.20 # So apparently if you set it to Dos-type files in Cygwin, it corrupts the bitmaps 07.25.05 # exactly... 07.25.52 # Which means that if you follow the instructions exactly as they are on the website, you won't have problems 07.26.02 # doesn't say that on the site 07.26.13 # It says to not change anything else in cygwin 07.26.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 07.26.26 # says if you are unsure... 07.26.35 # Yeah 07.26.42 # Were you sure that Dos files would work with rockbox? 07.27.31 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.27.34 # hold on, I'm looking for a loophole to dig myself a valid excuse :) 07.27.49 # Hehehe 07.28.37 # * B4gder grins 07.29.02 # At least the problem is now solved. 07.29.28 # on the cygwin setup it says: 07.29.33 # Default Text File Type: line endings will be translated from unix (lf) to dos (cr-lf) on write and vice versa on read. 07.29.51 # key word was "default text file type"...I wouldn't have though bmp files would've been affected 07.30.06 # it should probably just say default file type 07.30.16 # If they're considered binary files, they *shouldn't* be. 07.31.11 # exactly...bitmaps were binary afaik...or maybe it does it on all files I'm guessing 07.31.19 # regardless of extension 07.33.10 # I guess if another noob comes along and figures he wants the source displayable in notepad...when thinking about the dos/unix lf to crlf...to make sure he selects unix :) 07.33.27 # well 07.33.31 # you are the _first_ who faced this 07.33.36 Quit virtualball2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.43 # I just used "Wordpad" instead of notepad. 07.33.43 # * infamis feels special 07.33.53 # Since it handles lf only files just fine. 07.34.23 # Though I *think* it writes them back with crlf. I haven't checked, but if I edit files with it, I seem much more likely to get a conflict on them next cvs up 07.34.36 # damn...thought MS got rid of wordpad after win95...what a shock...still here on xp 07.35.00 # I'd suggest ConText personally 07.35.41 # You get context highlighting, and some other somewhat useful fluf, but it doesn't feel... 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07.56.09 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.56.17 # I focused on getting the beast to compile first, Fixing 64bit inconsistencies is another problem 07.56.22 # ok 07.56.52 # There's a second compilation problem - plugins and codecs do not link yet 07.57.11 Part Paul_The_Nerd 07.57.37 # ...but that seems relatively easy to fix, although it also requires some build system work 07.57.48 # (detecting amd64 in configure) 07.58.28 # . /usr/bin/ld: /home/jens/rb-patched/simulator-build/i300/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `read_handler' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC 07.58.51 # We need to compile and link codecs and plugins with -fPIC on amd64 07.59.02 # aha 07.59.16 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.01.15 # bmp2rb works on amd64 with your long==>int changes in the structure definition, but imho we should use explicit sized types in such places 08.01.33 # yes I agree about that 08.01.47 # and if we do those on target code too, it should work for amd64 builds 08.01.59 # yes 08.02.27 # That's one of my next tasks, but I need a solution for the errno.h challenge... 08.02.56 # so patching our own errno.h to use the standard header magic isn't a useful approach? 08.03.06 # Fixing this problem of course also fixes the build problems on 32bit linux with nptl 08.03.15 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 08.03.15 # ah, right 08.03.31 # standard header magic? 08.03.46 # I mean the magic the standard errno.h header uses for the errno definition 08.03.58 # whatever that is 08.04.11 # The standard errno.h might be different depending on the build system 08.04.23 # yes 08.04.36 # Afaiu, errno is a thread local variable on newer systems 08.04.52 # So errno is actually a macro, expanding to 08.04.52 # afaik, they have gone different ways 08.05.01 # *__errno_location() 08.05.11 # AIX for example doesn't do that macro dance 08.05.24 # but 08.05.28 Join amiconn__ [0] (n=jens@p54BD6519.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.05.39 # 99.2% of our non-cygwin users are on Linux 08.05.55 Join [1]amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD6519.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.05.55 *** Alert Mode level 1 08.05.55 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 08.05.55 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn_ 08.05.55 *** Alert Mode level 2 08.05.55 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn__ 08.05.55 DBUG Enqueued KICK [1]amiconn 08.05.55 *** Alert Mode level 3 08.06.09 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 08.06.09 Nick [1]amiconn is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD6519.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.06.09 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 08.06.09 *** Alert Mode level 4 08.06.22 # so a fix for your case properly #ifdef'ed could still probably solve most of the errno issues 08.06.47 # Some are on macos X / bsd ... 08.07.27 # ... and they haven't had problems with this 08.08.27 # No, not yet 08.08.56 # oh.... http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/data/screenshot/1141102961/%C5%A5%C5%E4%BA%F1%BE%C6.jpg 08.08.58 # i did some more current draw measurements on the h300 yday 08.09.03 # Don't forget to eat semlor today! 08.09.25 # I think the clean solution would be to make the build system use the system's errno.h for sim builds, but I'm not sure about the way to do this 08.09.43 # amiconn: I agree that would be the cleanest approach 08.10.04 # i made an experiment where i halted the cpu in a STOP instruction with interrupts disabled 08.10.06 # We could put rockbox' errno.h into a separate dir, and not put this into the include dir list for sim builds... 08.10.22 # and it still used 100mA! 08.10.26 # 90mA 08.10.30 # LinusN: huh? 08.10.44 # isn't that a lot? 08.10.48 # strange... 08.10.59 # so my theory seems to be correct 08.11.13 # about a port collision or the likes 08.11.31 # wrong voltage(s)? 08.11.39 # what's the theory? 08.11.48 # B4gder, is that script you wrote supposed to calculate X or Y values? :) 08.11.59 # midkay: it is up to you to decide 08.12.04 # it doesn't matter 08.12.12 # infamis: the theory is that i, for example, have set a port pin in the wrong direction 08.12.24 # B4gder, i tried adapting it to C.. it "kind of" works, but i had to steal a sin function from plasma.c - and something's not quite right.. 08.12.30 # amiconn: i set the voltages exactly as the iriver firmware 08.16.10 *** Alert Mode OFF 08.18.31 # Iriver's net loss - $36667000 08.18.38 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 08.18.44 # B4gder, yes!! *cheers* it works.. 08.18.48 # B4gder: Regarding 32<->64 bit issues, I will have to fix a number of warnings like: 08.18.53 # midkay: nice 08.19.20 # Cowon's net profit - $102482232 08.20.02 # those korean companies seem to skyrocket! ;-P 08.20.05 # font.c:175: warning: cast from pointer to integer of different size 08.20.05 # font.c:175: warning: cast to pointer from integer of different size 08.20.17 # yeah, I bet we have a few of those 08.20.26 # sound.c:117: warning: passing argument 2 of â?~get_moreâ?T from incompatible pointer type 08.20.45 # Not too many 08.21.06 # Iriver may perish. 08.21.06 # Interestingly enough there is no single such warning in the codec libs... 08.21.39 # Wow...Cowon's doing that well? That's a suprise to me based on the horrible x5 firmware. 08.21.53 # ? 08.22.02 # I find the x5 firmware better than the h3x0 08.22.07 # original firmware that is 08.22.18 # not that I use either one very much 08.22.22 # used 08.22.23 Quit amiconn_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.22.25 # B4gder: A total of 38 warnings of the 3 mentioned types in the core 08.22.27 # never used any iRiver...only other one I had was a rio karma 08.22.47 # loved it to death 08.22.52 # literally... 08.24.05 # ...til I loved it so much all 3 hard drives failed :( 08.25.22 Quit needleboy () 08.26.10 Quit perl|wtf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.31.49 # cygwin doesn't convert the bitmap when it writes it to the hard drive, but converts 0xd 0xa to 0xa on read() 08.32.30 # and that's because it doesn't use O_BINARY! 08.32.45 # in bmp2rb.c 08.33.13 # I'll fix 08.33.35 # whew hoo! infamis caused a fix! 08.36.47 # fixed! 08.38.29 # cool! that'll stop the other "infamis"es from saying stuff doesn't compile under cygwin! 08.38.39 # :-) 08.38.55 # 6mins 14secs is *good* build speed 08.39.02 # wee 08.39.14 # uclpack seems to have 64 bit problems as well. 08.40.15 # ..although it doesn't throw warnings when building 08.40.20 # ..unlike sh2d 08.40.45 # i think you get a question about the crlf thing when you install cygwin 08.40.54 # yes you do 08.42.14 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 14 seconds at the last flood 08.42.14 # * LinusN mounts the hard disk on the x5 08.43.11 # * infamis says we have a bootloader?!! 08.45.36 # soon, i hope 08.45.46 # there is a bug or two to iron out first 08.46.38 # what, you do bugs? 08.46.46 # or are you talking about things I've done? ;-) 08.47.12 # ucl_init() failed 08.47.16 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-65-108-53.barak-online.net) 08.47.54 # amiconn: btw, your suggested table-approach in the x5 lcd driver is in use and works fine 08.48.05 # saw that 08.49.35 # Of course I didn't see it working myself... 08.51.27 # i am currently struggling with ata_reset, might be a general bug in the ata driver 08.52.13 # LinusN: Do you think a simple colliding port would rise current consumption by >30 mA 08.52.29 # no, i don't 08.52.30 # * infamis confirms a to-dos-conversion Cygwin install compiles 08.52.31 # Afaik the short-circuit current of a port is a few mA 08.53.28 # there are several other possible scenarios 08.53.50 # like a chip being "back-powered" through a pullup resistor 08.54.01 # for example the usb2go chip 08.55.32 Join Sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 08.55.51 Part Sando 08.55.53 Join Sando [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 08.58.28 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 08.59.18 # one interesting observation in the iriver firmware is that the power consumption is 100-150mA 08.59.26 # when browsing files 08.59.41 # but nit goes down to 60mA when playing music 09.00.11 # could that mean it boosts when in interactive? 09.00.38 # perhaps, but it may also mean that they turn off stuff when playing music 09.01.13 # btw, "disk poweroff" saves about 5-10mA, it seems 09.05.04 # with the daily builds on its own page, do you think it is a good idea to expand the names in the model table to use the full names? look at the page as it is right now to see how it looks 09.06.42 # B4gder, looks good to me 09.06.52 # one suggestion, there are two links at the bottom to the same page.. 09.06.56 # kind of redundant 09.07.08 # I wanted to stress it 09.07.15 # I'll remove them soonish 09.08.55 # gotcha - looks very cool otherwise. :) 09.09.15 # bed! nite.. 09.09.19 # LinusN: It should be possible to find out whether it's the usbotg chip by repeating these measurements on the h1x0 09.09.37 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=stephen@pool-71-96-116-11.dfw.dsl-w.verizon.net) 09.09.59 # Afaik we have the battery runtime problem on h1x0 as well 09.10.11 # we do? 09.10.33 # Yes, runtime is significantly lower than what iriver says 09.10.47 # i see 09.11.17 # I could probably do 4 runtime tests, playing the same playlist on h140/iriver, h140/rockbox, h340/iriver and h340/rockbox 09.14.14 # Perhaps I could also try to do some measurements myself; one day I wanted to do that anyway, to see whether deep sleep is possible 09.14.20 # (on h1x0) 09.16.44 # direct current measurements is of course a lot easier then runtime tests 09.17.54 # the usbotg can be connected to two pins for power control of its two controllers 09.18.50 # but my asm decoding is not as good and I stopped looking at it last week... should resume that 09.19.03 # LinusN: For me it's the other way round... 09.19.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.19.40 # perhaps, i just meant that measuring the current takes seconds, while a runtime test takes hours 09.19.48 # Runtime tests just require time during which the unit can't be used otherwise 09.20.40 # Since I have more than one unit this isn't really a problem 09.22.37 # On archos player, rec v1 and Ondio current measurements are easy because the battery contacts are easily reachable. 09.22.46 # Not so on rec v2/fm and irivers... 09.26.37 # Afaik the iriver batteries have a little plug. How do you contact this beast for current measurement? 09.27.08 Quit perplexity (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.30.20 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@195.27.52.9) 09.35.56 # * B4gder added pics for the bleeding links below the cvs table 09.36.27 # lol 09.36.30 # necessary? 09.36.49 # not necessary, but all the text links got quite cluttered I think 09.37.08 # this will make it clearer which is which 09.37.17 # damn... just as I was happu that the cvs build page loaded so fast :( 09.37.23 # *happy 09.37.38 # well, those pics are used all over so you most likely have those cached already 09.38.17 # yes... otoh, that page is devs-only anyway... 09.38.22 # someone make 2 pointless commits 09.38.33 # that way the table can be aaaallllllll green :D 09.38.44 # heh 09.38.55 # petur: I think quite a lot of people get the bleeding builds 09.39.11 # hmmm maybe you're right 09.40.05 # The tables got rather wide with the full target names 09.40.40 # hm, yes I'll use the short version for the cvs page at least 09.40.49 # quite a difference 09.40.54 Join Higgy_ [0] (n=not_eric@82.18.246.205) 09.41.00 # B4gder: doc is ok 09.41.04 # add a couple of new targets and the build table will be just as wide ;) 09.41.26 # yes 09.41.31 # :-) 09.41.54 # possibly we can rotate the table 90 degrees one day 09.42.25 # The greyscale iPod images are clearly identified as mocku-ups 09.42.30 # *mock-ups 09.42.59 # The actual logo display is very different from what the images show 09.43.20 # When doing PCB traces for GPIO...are there any specific components to watch out for (e.g., not mess with when measuring resistance with a DMM)? I get my X5 back tomorrow (was RMA'd) 09.51.42 # infamis: don't bother if you are unsure, i'm working on the gpio tracing 09.54.50 # fine 09.56.41 # LinusN: any h3x0 pin tracing done or to do or use the disassemby to check possible connects? (regarding usbotg) 09.57.04 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-20-134.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.57.32 # petur: i haven't done any usb2go pin tracing 09.58.37 Quit Hideo (Remote closed the connection) 09.58.46 # amiconn, did you solve the errno issue in the sim? 09.59.04 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 09.59.44 # hi 10.07.35 Quit infamis ("http://www.globus.org/mail_archive/discuss/2001/Archive/msg01059.html <----that guy sounds smart") 10.09.09 # safetydan: we have a fix for it 10.09.31 Join Hideo [0] (n=irc@tor/session/x-cd610bf42aeecd32) 10.10.48 # B4gder, cool. I think it's what's causing ogg playback to fail in the sim (at least for me). It also makes it hard to develop code relying on errno. 10.11.44 # yes, and the NTPL problems will also be fixed with his fix 10.13.36 # woo 10.14.24 Quit segphault (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.14.24 # Was it a simple fix? Ahh... maybe I'll wait and see what it was when it's comitted 10.14.47 # yes it is rather simple, simply include the system's errno.h instead of the rockbox own 10.15.53 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.16.15 # ah... that seems rather obvious when you think about it 10.16.59 # the tricky part is rather how to fix this the nicest possible way 10.17.41 # I think we'll need to include the system one with an absolute path from within rockbox's errno.h 10.25.29 # I can see how the "h300 optimized" version already is lagging behind cvs 10.26.09 # keeping up certainly is a major struggle 10.26.16 # the faster we move on, the more that build becomes pointless 10.27.56 # the good part of that build is that some patches are being tested on humans before they get committed ;-) 10.28.08 # ^^ 10.30.52 # LinusN: why didn't you close http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2970 ? 10.31.01 # oh there is a new firmware for x5 10.31.46 # petur: i expected a reply 10.32.07 # shall I? 10.32.14 # kill kill 10.32.24 # haha, i KILLED IT!!!!!! 10.32.53 # pffff 10.33.23 # the oldest open bug is from 2002-09-07... 10.33.53 # is there any info on what needs to be done to get the alarm going on the h300?? 10.34.30 # would be nice if there was an indication if the task is for a specific platform... then again, the users would fill it in wrongly... maybe a field only devs can set (+/- assign) 10.34.37 Join segphault [0] (n=chatzill@60.254.175.10) 10.35.22 # somebody here understands korean ? 10.35.52 # skwad: Jungti1234 does I'm sure 10.36.07 # ok 10.36.17 # thx 10.36.24 # we just have a hard time understanding his english at times ;-) 10.36.30 # ^^ 10.46.47 Join Sandoaway [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 10.47.06 Quit Sandoaway (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.48.01 # is it possible to replace the progress bar with a bmp in the wps ? 10.48.45 # markun: good janitor work on the languages! 10.50.06 # I also wanted to commit a japanese update, but couldn't find the real name of the submitter.. 10.50.26 # skwad: yeah 10.50.50 # you understand korean ? 10.51.01 # no 10.51.07 # skwad: %P sets the bitmap afaik 10.51.40 # loooooool it is written and I didn't even see it 10.53.05 # thx B4gder 10.55.07 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-178.VIC.netspace.net.au) 10.55.25 # should the progress bar have a special size ? 10.56.12 # * B4gder reloads the cvs build page and just smiles 10.57.22 # it's not complete green ^^ 10.57.22 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.57.47 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 10.57.50 Join Zeus [0] (n=c13354c1@labb.contactor.se) 10.58.54 # * petur says something rude to the irc webclient 10.59.19 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 10.59.20 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.03.41 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e4000c@labb.contactor.se) 11.04.22 # x5 is 160*128 right ? 11.05.27 # yes 11.05.27 # sorry skwad 11.05.55 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/Zagor) 11.06.11 # skwad: What do you want? 11.06.47 # ive send you a pm 11.06.57 # it is for translating korean 11.06.58 # ah 11.07.21 # You can understand picture. 11.07.29 # no? 11.07.53 # yes of course 11.08.01 Join perplexity [0] (n=joust@lda396.emirates.net.ae) 11.08.04 # then? 11.08.15 # the problem is not upgrading 11.08.29 # the problem is I would like to know what is the changelog 11.08.48 Quit Sando (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.11.59 # and if I want to do an image under the progress bar, I can do it only with background image ? 11.12.07 # Added cheskey menu, If there is no mp3 file, playing record file, fixed A-B mode, supported resume video 11.12.10 # sorry 11.12.20 # I don't speak well English. 11.12.24 # ok 11.12.29 # what means cheskey ? 11.12.39 # Czech's language 11.12.46 # ok thx 11.14.16 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A477E9.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.15.49 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-13-21.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.16.30 # only 1 commit to go for an all green build table 11.16.41 # hehe 11.18.18 Quit _FireFly_ (Client Quit) 11.19.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.19.09 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A475C0.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.19.09 Quit moozooh (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.21.39 # * t0mas almost feels the temptation to commit some really big error... 11.21.55 # followed by an "Oops" commit 11.22.36 # my progress bar is working :p 11.23.33 Join lokki [0] (n=544863a1@labb.contactor.se) 11.24.02 # hello everbody 11.24.03 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.24.09 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 11.24.31 # hello lokki 11.24.48 # who did the cvs-build page? 11.25.04 # bagder 11.26.26 # because i think he should change the order of the builds/icons on the page... especially for the ipods... the way it is now it doesn't seem to make sense... 11.27.31 # B4gder: The errno fix needs some more testing. I expect it to fail for win32 builds 11.27.37 # lokki: How does it not make sense? 11.28.17 # it's all scrambled up... wouldn't it be better to have 3rd than 4rd and then 5th generation... 11.28.40 # really only "cosmetical" i know 11.36.10 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 11.40.11 # wiki spam 11.41.01 # from an aston martin fan, it seems ;) 11.41.28 # re 11.43.01 # linuxstb: do you know what i mean? agree? 11.43.45 # So, I increased a build's memory size in the Makefile, and while the build builds and runs, it can't access codecs or plugins. Can anyone help me? 11.43.49 # lokki: Yes, I agree it would make more sense for the pictures to be in the same order as the build table. But I'm not the person who can change it... 11.44.27 # earHertz: I've had one more thought about that - Rockbox remaps DRAM from 0x10000000 to 0x0. It's possible that the remapping only remaps the first 32MB of memory.... 11.44.41 # preglow is the person who would know for sure... 11.45.08 # isn't there a mask that gets set in the mmu? 11.45.20 # crt0 probably... 11.46.03 # linuxstb: the debug info tells me that teh buffer is 61MB 11.46.10 # Yes - but I don't understand the memory mapping registers. 11.46.20 # although whetehr that's calculated at runtime or not I don't know 11.46.48 # yeah,I was hoping to attract teh attentioon of Bagder or LinusN 11.49.15 # If the remapping is indeed the problem, then I would have expected some kind of exception to have been thrown when Rockbox tried to load the plugins into a non-existent memory address. But maybe ARMs don't do that. 11.51.40 # good point 11.52.09 # earHertz: You could experiment by adding some code to (for example) one of the debug screens in apps/debug_menu.c that writes to and then reads from a memory location more than 32MB from address zero and see what happens. 11.52.50 # there was a reason I waited for you to do the g5 port. 11.53.07 # I get skittish messing with hardware still under warranty 11.53.10 # Unless people want to send me lots of iPods, I can't do everything... 11.53.15 # but, yeah, i guess it;'s harmless 11.53.58 # It is definitely harmless - Rockbox is already reading/writing from/to memory addresses in that range when it attempts to load a plugin. 11.54.12 # good point 11.57.47 Join SuperSnout [0] (n=chatzill@82-35-97-118.cable.ubr05.dals.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.58.07 # kkerbjun: you there? 12.04.04 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.04.36 # wow.. rather quiet at the moment.. 12.04.37 Quit lokki ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.09.28 Quit petur ("munch") 12.10.55 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 12.11.00 # just finished my wps, now I'm going to try to adapt a h320 wps for x5 12.14.00 # nice 12.14.20 # hey.. skwad.. do you know haw to use the dict plugin? 12.14.27 # do you need wordlists or something? 12.14.43 # I dont know, have a look at his doc 12.15.03 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary 12.15.28 # backdrops are working only on optimized i'm right ? 12.15.50 # strange because I have the normal rockbox and there is a backdrop folder :S 12.19.06 # skwad: backdrop is in CVS 12.20.16 # yes I have CVS 12.20.55 # I mean no needed to have the experimental build of MR for it ;) 12.22.14 # yep but when I talk from backdrop, it's not for wps, it's for the menu 12.22.25 # like this : http://img103.imageshack.us/img103/9640/ajantbluebackdrop1gf.png 12.22.27 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 12.22.30 # me too ;) 12.22.54 # backdrop are both for WPS and for brwser... 12.22.54 # then I dont understand :S 12.23.17 # uh? 12.23.23 # but how do I put a backdrop for browser ? 12.23.51 # there is one option for this 12.24.06 # in the ajant.cfg in themes folder there is : backdrop: /.rockbox/backdrops/ajant.bmp 12.24.14 # but i seems not working 12.24.17 # select one bmp with same size than your screen and choose set as backdrop 12.24.27 # and the option isn't there : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomConfigFile 12.24.39 # ok ^^ 12.25.35 # oh alright I had made a mistake 12.25.42 # I haden't loaded the theme 12.25.44 # you've got it now? 12.25.49 # yep 12.25.50 # thx 12.25.55 # good then ;) 12.25.58 # np 12.26.14 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.26.25 Join Farpnut [0] (n=solo84@cm48.sigma157.maxonline.com.sg) 12.27.33 # grrrrrrrr it's not working ^^ 12.27.50 # Zeus : I did it with browse themees 12.28.02 # not this way 12.28.18 # what does the voltage mean that comes up when you start up rockbox? 12.28.37 # hu I don't understand anything more :S , now it has keeped the theme and before it just removed it :S 12.28.48 # perhaps the voltage of you battery :D 12.28.56 # skwad: just choose one bmp in the browser (same resolution than screen), in the context menu you will have set as backdrop 12.29.10 # yeah.. but.. is the higher it is the more charged your battery is? 12.29.17 # Yes 12.29.21 # yes of course 12.29.28 # what should be the maximum votage? 12.29.37 # when it's fully chaged.. 12.29.43 # Zeus: the backdrop is in the backdrop folder of .rockbox 12.29.47 # (h300 12.29.51 # ) 12.29.54 # but now it seems to keep the theme 12.30.02 # 120V ^^ 12.30.06 # skwad: forget the themes, because maybe the bmp used for the themes isn't availiable for your screen ex: H300 vs X5 12.30.19 # make your own 12.30.20 # Zeus I modified the theme ... 12.30.30 # made it to fit 160*128 12.30.35 # ok 12.30.42 # where is located this bmp 12.30.46 # SuperSnout: I think something like 4.7V, why? 12.30.56 # .rockbox/backdrops/ 12.31.30 # But now it works, it was just that before, I don't know why it remove it 12.31.40 # skwad: go to this dir and click in, you will have the contxt menu, then choose seta as backdrop 12.31.52 # skwad: hehe :) 12.31.52 # I can't go this dir 12.32.02 # it's hidden 12.32.04 # SuperSnout: 4.2V: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBattery 12.32.08 # go to menu show files and choose see all 12.32.13 # @swad 12.32.36 # skwad even 12.33.07 # amiconn: we should drop the win32 sim anyway 12.33.42 # fine Zeus :D 12.33.47 # thanks markun 12.34.01 # is plugin code size still 32K? 12.34.02 # just thought it would be nice to know when it is fully charged.. 12.34.13 # skwad: no problem 12.34.22 # supersnout in wps you can set battery pourcentage 12.34.59 # what do you mean set it? 12.35.05 # B4gder: Perhaps, although I wouldn't want to deliberately break it 12.35.10 # pecentage what? 12.35.14 # earHertz: Only on Archos devices. On devices with 16MB/32MB RAM, it's 512KB. 12.35.32 # half a meg? 12.35.40 # and teh music still plays? 12.35.50 # Yes. 12.35.53 # SuperSnout: you can set it the wps file to show the percentage of battery 12.36.03 # amiconn: right, but is it really worth more work and possible a more complicated fix just to keep the win32 sim going? 12.36.04 # well, well, well, 12.36.09 # earHertz: 512K/32M == 32K/2M 12.36.11 # wow.. that sounds good 12.36.23 # how do you do that.. wait i'll look in settings =) 12.36.36 # amiconn good pint 12.36.48 # * linuxstb fancies a good pint 12.37.09 # B4gder: It might be as easy as using #if defined(SIMULATOR) && !defined(WIN32) instead of just #ifdef SIMULATOR for the fix 12.37.32 # amiconn: right, since the current approach seems to work for it... 12.37.37 # yup 12.38.56 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.39.39 # Does the win32 sim compile again now? I thought safetydan's audio changes had broken it. 12.40.25 # why use win32 sim ? sdl works fine for me :S 12.40.53 # I think the SDL sim is still missing some features under Windows - such as DEBUGF 12.41.09 # skwad: can you see the messages i just sent? 12.41.32 # linuxstb: safetydan's changes only broke swcodec win32 sims. My grayscale lib emulation broke it for all... 12.41.51 # skwad: doesn't seem to change anything when i change battery display to numeric 12.41.53 # SuperSnout: no 12.42.03 # I want to fi that as well, but getting amd64 to work has higher priority for me 12.42.04 # skwad: what am i doing wrong.. am i looking for the change in the wrong place? 12.42.12 # that's wierd.. i sent them as notices 12.42.13 # s/fi/fix/ 12.42.50 # just go private 12.43.04 # okay 12.43.32 # Hehe, 'Page was last modified __FILE_DATE__ The Rockbox Crew' 12.43.53 # "Build expected to complete around 11:47:51 (in 5mins 46secs)" <-- that time feels good :) 12.44.10 # yay 12.44.36 # tnx to linuxstb, lostlogic and Slasheri... anybody else wanting to showoff a fast dual xeon server? go ahead ;) 12.44.44 # are we going completely green now? 12.44.45 # wooo 12.44.47 # Someone (I think josh_) mentioned something about trying freopen to con" on stdout/stderr to get DEBUGF working in SDL under win32. Has someone tried that? 12.44.48 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 12.44.58 # B4gder: that depends on Slasheri 12.45.20 # if he didn't break anything it will be all green 12.45.34 # t0mas: Builds are blazingly fast on my Athlon64 as well... it just needs some fixes for 64 bit 12.45.53 # common do a last buggy build ^^ 12.46.03 # amiconn: you can build anything but m68k right? 12.46.07 # SDL and arm are working? 12.46.48 # linuxstb, DEBUGF should work, just it'll be in stdout.txt 12.47.21 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 12.47.21 # safetydan: Is that what people want? 12.47.46 # does tail -f work on that? 12.48.44 # * t0mas waves the black and white flag 12.48.46 # build done 12.49.14 # nice 12.49.17 # t0mas: The build system will almost be enough to render animation in the build-table.... 12.49.34 # linuxstb, probably not. It's a misfeature of SDL under windows. It redirects stdout and stderr to files 12.49.52 # linuxstb: yeah, we should get down to 1/24 second... 12.50.05 # so it's all green 12.50.07 # and then add moving animations by programming enough errors 12.50.09 # ^^ 12.50.12 # home page doesn't show the commit yet 12.50.22 # ah now it does... 12.50.25 # ghehe 12.50.33 # I hit F5... and saw it 12.50.37 # so I was already wondering :) 12.50.51 # it is updated when the build table is built after all builds 12.50.51 # had to hit it several times here... 12.51.52 # t0mas: Currently I can only build arm. SH1 builds but uclpack fails, I am unable to build the m68k crosscompiler, and SDL throws 38 warnings about datatype conversion 12.52.20 # I'm going to fix one by one 12.52.24 # We have enough ARM builds to make it worthwhile for you to join now. 12.52.36 # jup 12.52.44 # Oh, and sim builds need two fixes where the build fails 12.53.08 # One is the errno issue with nptl systems; I have a working fix that just needs ssome more testing for that 12.53.31 # The other is that we need a special compiler flag on amd64 for shared objects 12.53.40 # Otherwise: 12.54.13 # btw, I experimented with some additional ld options to make the linux builds catch the cygwin link problems for plugins and codecs 12.54.15 # . /usr/bin/ld: /home/jens/rb-patched/simulator-build/i300/apps/codecs/vorbis.o: relocation R_X86_64_32S against `read_handler' can not be used when making a shared object; recompile with -fPIC 12.54.20 # but I failed 12.54.41 # So we need -fPIC for plugins & codecs on amd64 12.54.56 # B4gder: Do you have an idea how to detect amd64 in configure? 12.55.12 # yes 12.55.31 # gcc's __x86_64__ is the easiest 12.55.52 # Is it worthwhile adding some new "sim64" targets, to make sure we don't break amd64 compilation in the future? 12.56.05 # possibly uname can be used to avoid relying on gcc 12.56.20 # linuxstb: I think so 12.58.29 # building on a real amd64 ? 12.58.45 # yes 12.58.50 # ok, then we need amiconn :) 12.59.13 # and preferrably some more... for if his fails some time... 12.59.47 # Will the build system fail gracefully if there are no availale hosts for certain targets? 13.00.18 # e.g. putting a ? or "N/A" in the build table. 13.00.49 # empty box 13.00.49 # hey all.. what an ugly cvs build table... green sux! 13.01.03 # it will report a warning in the logs for Bagder and me 13.01.05 # JdGordon: Got any patches you want committing? 13.01.10 # and it will just leave one build out 13.01.11 # radio wps 13.01.28 # ill sync it if ur serious.. 13.01.57 # Sorry, no - I was just offering you the opportunity to get rid of that nasty green build table. 13.02.09 # as was i :D 13.03.05 # * preglow is back, somewhat 13.03.13 # B4gder: i like the pics for the targets on the cvs page.. but why didnt u add the source pic also? 13.03.33 # because it doesn't fit the naming the same way 13.03.46 # preglow: Welcome back. Quick question - does your memory remapping code only remap 32MB of RAM? If so, do you know how to change it for 64MB? 13.03.51 # but it does on the daily page? 13.04.02 # no, but there I forced a hack manually ;-) 13.04.05 # linuxstb: hmm, lemme see, i think it remaps more 13.04.09 # ok 13.04.50 # preglow: And also, how should the ARM react if you try to read/write from/to a non-existent memory address? Will it just silently fail, or will it throw an exception? 13.05.39 # depends on pps implementation 13.06.10 # the address decoder might not catch it and just alias the request onto existing memory 13.09.28 # sounds dangerous... 13.10.59 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.11.06 # hey everyone 13.11.22 # i need help with something 13.11.25 # linuxstb: tahnks ;) 13.11.36 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 13.12.00 # my latest build has a problem with the PLAY button in the browser and menus, it doesn't work. 13.12.19 # i can't seem to figure out what the problem is, but it works fine in the latest bleeding edge 13.12.43 # linuxstb: to be honest, i have no idea what it does currently, it all depend on the page mask, which i have no idea how works 13.12.53 # any chance of anyone telling me where i can find the code that controls the play button? 13.12.57 # needleboy: then start over from CVS and apply one patch at time again until it breaks 13.13.15 # b4gder, i'm doing that atm 13.13.31 # needleboy: are you the one made the "optimized" build? 13.13.40 # could it be a change to the button.c or .h files? 13.13.44 # earHertz: Have you managed to do any tests? 13.13.45 # zeus, yeah 13.13.48 # needleboy: likely, yes 13.13.59 # does any1 know of a proggy to rip a .ram sudio stream from the web to ogg/mp3? 13.14.00 # linuxstb: no, I haven't 13.14.03 # t0mas: debian testing amd64 on Athlon64 3800+ 13.14.14 # but I'll at lest try reading and writing today 13.14.20 Join Hideo_ [0] (n=irc@tor/session/x-48f08fd9c8e62961) 13.14.24 # i have the subliminal wps background stuck behind whatever monochrome background i choose.. 13.14.31 # can you tell me which piece there controls the play (or ON, on other targets) button on the browser and menus? 13.14.36 # anyone know what i need to do to get rid of this =S? 13.14.52 # needleboy: can you change the name please, "optimised" isn't really true, and people can believe is it, but in fact there are plenty of bug 13.14.58 # preglow: OK - I guess someone with 64MB (earHertz and now Cassandra) will need to experiment. 13.15.17 # needleboy, did you apply the "One button queue" patch? That's the one most likely to have broken PLAY 13.15.21 # zeus, it's been the name since day one, and no one has any problems with it 13.15.33 # one button queue? 13.15.37 # did not... 13.15.37 # it's wierd.. whatever 1bit wps i choose i always have colour subliminal wps behind it =( 13.15.42 # needleboy, also, please fix the EQ settings to be in the correct order 13.15.46 # needleboy: well, we *do* think the name is misleading 13.15.50 # what am i doing wrong? 13.15.55 # zeus: the download page for my build has info for everything 13.15.57 # needleboy: but isn't the reallity 13.16.04 # more bugs... 13.16.10 # than CVS one 13.16.13 # no one is mislead, cause the information is there 13.16.20 # i know there are 13.16.33 # needleboy: the name of the build is misleading imho 13.16.38 # whatever info you provide 13.16.39 # maybe we ar'nt the sam meaning for "optimised" ;) 13.16.40 # anyone know? 13.16.42 # "experimental" would be better 13.16.55 # It's misleading because "optimised" implies "works better than the official version". Which isn't always the case. 13.16.55 # * Zeus vote for experimental too 13.16.56 # it's not rockbox optimized 13.17.04 # it's rockbox h300 optimized 13.17.05 # needleboy, back out the remote control patch or try the 2.05 version 13.17.13 # it isn't optimized at all 13.17.20 # yeah 13.17.25 # more unstable 13.17.27 # safetydan, trying it 13.17.33 # linuxstb: do you know what's going on with my wps? 13.17.36 # crap, it's changed 13.17.41 # it'll take a day or two 13.17.43 # relax 13.17.52 # linuxstb: i'm going out soon and it looks really nasty =( 13.17.53 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 13.17.56 # needleboy: thazt could make confusion in user spirit 13.17.57 Nick skwad is now known as skwad-eat (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 13.18.12 # took you 2 months to notice? 13.18.13 # whatever 13.18.14 # SuperSnout: Sorry, I've never written a WPS myself. 13.18.24 # but i'm not writing one.. 13.18.24 # needleboy: we've talked about that _numerous_ times here 13.18.29 # needleboy: It's been mentioned here forever - you've just taken 2 months to notice. 13.18.32 # just choosing one on the player 13.18.48 # it'll be changed... 13.18.50 # but it's gone wierd and i cant get the subliminal backdrop to go 13.18.53 # needleboy: just that we don't felt it strongly enough to poke you about it ;-) 13.19.05 # is there a setting to change the backdrop? 13.19.07 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.19.19 # it's only misleading to devs... as they see it from the stability point of view. 13.19.26 # all green table! 13.19.33 # needleboy: the fact there is more users every days, and some people will not thin,k lot and will go for "optimised" 13.19.33 # needleboy: I disagree 13.19.37 # to a normal user "optimized" means better fitting their player... 13.19.41 # needleboy, I like the idea of your build (since it's the only way some patches get serious testing). But it definitely needs to be clearer that it's experimental not "optimised" and very likely to contain more bugs than the rockbox.org builds 13.19.47 # needleboy: to you it means that 13.19.48 # and after he will complain Rockbox is buggy ;) 13.20.10 # safetydan: I'm with you 13.20.29 # i'll change it to experimental 13.20.30 # It's making it harder for user support as the first question now has to be "Which build did you use?" 13.20.31 # now... 13.20.47 # safetydan, that won't be changed by the name! 13.20.49 # needleboy: thanks for understanding this 13.20.52 # ARGH! help.. i did clear backdrop but the picture's still there when i'm playing a song =( what do i do? 13.21.27 # now 13.21.28 # needleboy, no, but it might make things easier when they say "but it's optimised! it's supposed to be the best" 13.21.45 # argh.. i want it to go away =( 13.21.48 # SuperSnout: Just try restarting Rockbox. 13.21.50 # I'm still glad someone's doing an experimental build though 13.21.55 # ok 13.21.55 # safetydan: absolutely 13.22.18 # SuperSnout: There's a known but unfixed bug that stops Rockbox from forgetting a WPS backdrop. 13.22.18 # do they say that? 13.22.27 # yes they do 13.22.34 # thanks linux =) 13.22.46 # it made the numerical battery display work too =) 13.23.33 # well, the cause of the PLAY button problem is the remote_2.05.patch 13.23.41 # any chance someone takes a look? 13.23.47 # needleboy: and isn't cause the CVS code, but cause some great but unfinished patchs 13.23.50 # takka takes ages to fix anything 13.23.54 # ;) 13.23.58 # linux: is there any way to fix it? 13.24.32 # SuperSnout: Yes, I think there's a patch on the patch tracker that fixes that bug. 13.24.39 # ok 13.24.45 # i'll check that out sometime 13.24.46 # SuperSnout, reset all your settings. Turn the player on and hold REC to clear them 13.25.16 # okay.. well it's fixed now anyway 13.25.27 # what part of the button.c or .h files controls the PLAY/ON button on the browser and menus? 13.25.36 # Delicious lemonade.. :) 13.26.01 # nice, one for me too please... 13.26.28 # hehehe 13.26.35 # the battery display has gone back to graphical even though it's set to numeric.. 13.27.01 # anyone? 13.27.11 # i can't find any documentation of this 13.27.26 Quit Hideo (Remote closed the connection) 13.27.42 # needleboy: its the source only for that info 13.27.59 # that's what i'm looking at 13.28.06 # can't find the reason 13.28.28 # I'd suggest using the sim and gdb to debug it "for real" 13.28.46 # in the /* iRiver H300 specific button codes */ in button.h 13.28.59 # could this do damage:#define BUTTON_QUICK BUTTON_ON 13.29.01 # #define BUTTON_QUICK_LONG (BUTTON_ON | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.29.20 # cause the patch adds that 13.29.46 # why would an added #define cause problems? 13.30.11 # i don't know C 13.30.16 # i'm just trying to debug 13.30.51 # OKay.. i've identified a problem.. can someone help me? 13.31.02 # i have my battery display set to numeric but.. 13.31.05 # needleboy: button.h should only be defining the physical keys available on the H300 - one define for each key. How those keys are interpreted is defined in the "application" side of rockbox - the code in the apps/ directory. 13.31.23 # when i plug in the charger and unplug it again it goes back to graphical 13.31.35 # the setting is still set to numerical but it shows graphical 13.31.46 # in the filetree.c for instance? 13.31.59 # when i restart the player it goes to numerica again but this is really annoying.. 13.32.01 # Yes, and sometimes the .h files like tree.h and menu.h 13.32.04 # any way to fix this? 13.32.35 # it changes tree.c 13.32.38 # and tree.h 13.33.07 # anyone else had my problem? 13.33.40 # needleboy: The basic principle is that abstract names for buttons (e.g. "TREE_EXIT") are defined in tree.h (these definitions are different for each player), and then tree.c will only check for "TREE_EXIT". 13.34.00 # ok... 13.34.17 # so how about this causing the problem: 13.34.17 # - case TREE_ENTER | BUTTON_REPEAT: 13.34.17 # +// case TREE_ENTER | BUTTON_REPEAT: 13.34.23 # from the patch 13.35.01 # play performs tree_enter or tree_exit? 13.35.15 # If there is another case line saying "case TREE_ENTER", then that will be matched first. The Rockbox button driver will first send a TREE_ENTER event, and then TREE_ENTER | TREE_REPEAT events. 13.35.22 # enter, right? as the WPS is just an app and the shell is the browser 13.35.56 # that's what the // means? 13.36.17 # no? 13.36.18 # That means that the line is commented out - it's the same as deleting it. 13.36.31 # tha't what i thought. 13.36.37 # i'll see if this is the problem 13.37.30 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484CE4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.38.12 # If you want Rockbox to do different things for a short press, and a long press, you will need to check for TREE_???? | BUTTON_REL (the button release event) for the short press, and TREE_???? | BUTTON_REPEAT for the long press. 13.38.12 Nick skwad-eat is now known as skwad (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 13.43.19 Quit Hideo_ () 13.44.06 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 13.47.46 # linuxstb: ...and make sure the REL event isn't triggered after the REPEAT event 13.47.57 # I mean needleboy 13.48.06 # zagor! 13.48.12 # i was just looking at that 13.48.18 # this: 13.48.27 # #define TREE_RC_PREV BUTTON_RC_REW 13.48.27 # #define TREE_RC_PGUP BUTTON_RC_SOURCE 13.48.27 # #define TREE_RC_PGDN BUTTON_RC_BITRATE 13.48.27 DBUG Enqueued KICK needleboy 13.48.27 # -#define TREE_RC_EXIT BUTTON_RC_STOP 13.48.27 # +#define TREE_RC_ENTER BUTTON_RC_VOL_UP 13.48.28 *** Alert Mode level 1 13.48.28 # +#define TREE_RC_ENTER2 BUTTON_RC3_FF 13.48.30 # +#define TREE_RC_OFF BUTTON_RC_STOP 13.48.32 # +#define TREE_RC_EXIT1 BUTTON_RC_VOL_DOWN 13.48.34 # +#define TREE_RC_EXIT2 BUTTON_RC3_REW 13.48.36 # +#define TREE_RC_EXIT3 (BUTTON_RC_MENU | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.48.38 # +#define TREE_RC_EXIT4 (BUTTON_RC3_ON | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.48.40 # #define TREE_RC_RUN (BUTTON_RC_MENU | BUTTON_REL) 13.48.42 # #define TREE_RC_RUN_PRE BUTTON_RC_MENU 13.48.44 # +#define TREE_RC_RUN2 (BUTTON_RC3_MENU | BUTTON_REL) 13.48.46 # +#define TREE_RC_RUN2_PRE BUTTON_RC3_MENU 13.48.48 # #define TREE_RC_MENU (BUTTON_RC_MODE | BUTTON_REL) 13.48.50 # #define TREE_RC_MENU_PRE BUTTON_RC_MODE 13.48.52 # #define TREE_RC_WPS (BUTTON_RC_ON | BUTTON_REL) 13.48.54 # #define TREE_RC_WPS_PRE BUTTON_RC_ON 13.48.56 # owww, don't paste huge segments in irc. it hurts!!! 13.48.56 # +#define TREE_RC_WPS2 (BUTTON_RC3_ON | BUTTON_REL) 13.48.58 # +#define TREE_RC_WPS2_PRE BUTTON_RC3_ON 13.49.00 # + 13.49.02 # #define TREE_RC_CONTEXT (BUTTON_RC_ON | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.49.04 # +#define TREE_RC_CONTEXT2 (BUTTON_RC3_MENU | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.49.06 # + 13.49.08 # #define TREE_RC_QUICK (BUTTON_RC_MODE | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.49.12 # #elif CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD 13.49.14 # sorry for length 13.49.16 # from tree.h 13.49.17 # => pastebin.com etc 13.49.18 # sorry :( 13.49.43 # so... there's +#define TREE_RC_EXIT3 (BUTTON_RC_MENU | BUTTON_REPEAT) 13.49.52 # before #define TREE_RC_RUN (BUTTON_RC_MENU | BUTTON_REL) 13.49.55 # for instance 13.50.00 # is that a problem? 13.50.10 # it could be 13.50.14 # you need to use the _PRE concept 13.51.55 # or replace the order in the code? or that doesn't change anything? 13.52.45 # order of case: lines does not matter 13.52.45 Join Rob2222_2 [0] (n=acb1dc9a@labb.contactor.se) 13.52.50 # hi all 13.53.10 # Implement . and .. path in dircache to properly support moving files to other directories without absolute destination path provided <= is RB now able to move files? 13.53.14 # so how would you change that? 13.53.40 # Rob2222_2: rockbox already could 13.54.01 # that was just a fix for the dircache to keep up with such a move 13.54.05 # B4gder: I almost killed my FAT while trying it 2 month ago. 13.54.32 # well, there might be flaws of course 13.54.54 # B4gder: I had to raw disk edit my HD (or format) 13.55.29 # so, you hit a bug 13.55.41 # Zagor: Could you take a look maybe? http://pastebin.com/576519 13.55.45 # hmm. if that dircache patch solved that (my) problem... 13.56.37 # Yes, I tried to rename to things like .. or ../ or / 13.56.55 # i dont know which special caused my problem 13.56.58 # needleboy: simply look at how _PRE is used in other places. it makes sure an event only occurs after the correct 2-button sequence. such as down+up, without repeat. 13.57.00 # still, that particular fix is not for ATA 13.57.07 # argh 13.57.08 # I mean FAT 13.57.36 # OK, so that shoulnt fix the bug i had. Well, I thought so, too 13.58.02 # needleboy: if you don't use that, the BUTTON_REL event will run everytime you release after _REPEAT 13.58.27 # Copying files isnt so easy to implement, or? 13.58.29 *** Alert Mode OFF 13.58.40 # there is no plans for a real audio decoder is there? 13.58.48 # i still don't get it 13.58.58 # Rob2222_2: safetydan works on a copy/cut/paste feature 13.59.08 # needleboy: exactly what don't you understand? 13.59.24 # what i need to change there 13.59.58 # well I don't know what you're trying to do... :-) 14.00.06 # B4gder: Wow that would be nice. The last feature I relly miss at RB. Is it much work or will it come in 1-3 weeks? 14.00.36 # Rob2222_, you can try the patch now but it only works on files 14.00.37 # Zagor: the PLAY button in the menus and browser doesn't function after patching in the remote_2.05.patch 14.00.45 # i'm trying to find the reason 14.00.49 # when I get directory merging working then you'll be able to move directories as well 14.01.12 # safetydan: ATM I have not much time but i would be glad to test 14.01.34 # safetydan: cool. relly nice :) 14.01.45 # where to get? 14.01.52 # sourceforge? 14.02.18 # no more sourceforge for us 14.03.03 # but it is in the new patch tracker 14.03.05 Quit needleboy () 14.03.32 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-65-108-53.barak-online.net) 14.03.48 # needleboy: Are you talking about "play" on the remote, or "play" on the main unit? 14.03.57 # ah ok 14.04.06 # on the main unit 14.04.33 # both actually 14.04.38 # And do you have a URL for the patch? 14.05.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2987 14.05.57 # Rob2222_, http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/3033 14.08.34 # should we change the flyspray url to www.rockbox.org/flyspray/ instead? it contains more than bugs. 14.08.52 # or just /tracker/ 14.09.25 # or task 14.09.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/task/task/3033 :-) 14.09.54 # no, you'd cut out the first task 14.10.25 # I think that requires more patching 14.11.28 # hmm, actually not. http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/3033 works already. 14.12.03 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.12.22 # *comiling* 14.13.18 # linuxstb: see anything? i've tried 3 different changes already, no luck 14.14.14 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.16.26 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.19.38 # needleboy: Sorry, no. I can't see what could be the problem. 14.19.42 Quit perplexity (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.20.14 # ok... i'm trying to compare it to the old 2.02 patch 14.20.22 # cause it worked there 14.21.24 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.26.32 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.27.22 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.28.33 Quit Matze41 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.30.01 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 14.30.19 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.33.33 Quit needleboy () 14.33.43 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-65-108-53.barak-online.net) 14.35.58 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47F1F.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.46.22 # safetydan: C&P is working. really nice. you will do folders anywhen? 14.46.47 # what does prerecording do? 14.47.18 # it records to memory while you're monitoring 14.47.49 # so that, when you start recording, it can include some time before your button press 14.48.16 # oh 14.48.31 # so it always prerecords to the memory 14.48.38 # yes 14.48.51 # and when you go to record and start recording it adds that to the start? 14.49.24 # it only records while in the recording screen, but doesn't write to disk 14.49.36 # ah, ok 14.49.40 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e4000c@labb.contactor.se) 14.49.46 # you can set the time to add before you press start 14.49.59 # how can I write a % in wps ? 14.50.10 # %% 14.50.13 # afaik 14.50.17 # and you can set the player to go to recording screen on the startup 14.50.36 # novimon: it's used to record events that suddenly happen and you don't want to miss... 14.50.42 # working, thx Rob2222_ 14.51.03 # . 14.51.06 # np 14.51.12 # novimon: yes (but never used this myself) 14.51.15 # what returns the battery level while charging ? 14.51.31 # petur, jeah, ok 14.53.05 # LinusN: How do you detect the different remotes finally? Via a GPIO pin? 14.53.27 # ah, well, i could look in the code, too 14.54.19 # but my H300 LCD remot buttons up/down are still swapped with left/right 14.59.13 Join webguest00 [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 14.59.21 # Hi, wiki-spam alert :( 14.59.36 Quit Rob2222_2 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.59.45 Join Rob2222_web [0] (n=acb1dc9a@labb.contactor.se) 15.02.01 # hmm.. 15.02.38 # is it possible to simplify that : 15.02.40 # %t4%bt (%bl%%) Vol: %pv;%t2Battery Vol: %pv 15.02.43 # ? 15.02.53 # hey skwad 15.02.58 # needleboy: are you there? 15.02.58 # finished my translation last night 15.03.01 # cause Vol :%pv is static 15.03.03 # ok nobelium 15.03.04 # 3700 lines from scratch :p 15.03.06 # webguest00: thanks, cleared up 15.03.18 # should I up it to cvs now? 15.03.26 # I think yes 15.03.35 # but I think you haven't the right for it 15.03.54 # cool 15.04.38 Join webguest07 [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 15.05.24 # Rob2222_, yes when I finally sit down and work out how to merge directories properly 15.05.53 Part webguest00 15.06.26 # skwad, what do you recommend then :)? 15.06.44 # send it to a known person ^^ 15.06.46 # safetydan: Where is the problem? 15.06.47 # nobelium: submit it to the patch tracker 15.07.10 # k 15.07.12 # thanks 15.07.27 # can I do corrections, when I find them? 15.07.37 # I just noticed a mistranslated line, and fixed it 15.07.45 # sure, then you just submit an updated version 15.07.50 # alright 15.07.54 # thanks 15.08.07 # ok didn't know it worked so ^^ 15.08.30 # B4gder, me/skwad weren't sure about TRICKLE and TOP-OFF charging 15.08.34 # what are those? 15.08.57 # are they even still used? 15.09.03 # no idea 15.09.10 # it's on .lang thought 15.09.15 # original english 15.09.17 # they refer to how the charging works 15.09.44 Join muesli- [0] (n=muesli_t@141.71.4.220) 15.09.55 # safetydan, recursing through directories without blowing the stack limit 15.10.05 # can you give me a quick idea of what one does? 15.10.17 # talking to yourself safetydan? ;-] 15.10.33 # ^^ 15.10.39 # err... whoops 15.10.43 # that was meant for Rob2222_ 15.10.51 # or Rob2222_web 15.11.24 # nobelium: I'd rather not, since I'm not that much into the charging details I would probably mess up or confuse matters 15.11.42 # desc: (player) menu altarnative for jump scroll 15.11.45 # what's this? 15.11.48 # "jump scroll" 15.12.08 # it scrolls the text screen-width at a time 15.12.14 # a screen-width 15.13.23 # hehehe... He is similar to me. 15.13.27 # kind of hard to translate that 15.13.51 # can you tell me how to use it? 15.13.55 # well, "jump scroll" is just a name for it, it doesn't explain the feature eithe 15.13.57 # safetydan: ah ok, i understand 15.14.10 # nobelium: it is a scrolling mode 15.14.10 # i'm on the WPS/Now playing 15.14.33 Join tucoz [0] (n=81b17b04@labb.contactor.se) 15.14.37 # They are going to ask that continuously. 15.14.45 # B4gder, the spammer is back 15.15.00 Nick Rob2222_ is now known as Rob2222 (n=Miranda@ACB1DC9A.ipt.aol.com) 15.15.29 # he's at mi* now... 15.15.47 # but how can I enable it/see it in action? 15.15.49 # on my iriver 15.15.53 # so I can understand it better 15.16.46 # re 15.16.56 # "(player)" means it is only for the Archos Player model 15.17.02 # ahhh 15.17.06 # alright 15.17.17 # I'll try to do a word-to-word translation then 15.17.28 # btw 15.17.36 # I've noticed a bug (?) 15.17.43 # when I put the volume up 15.17.48 # safetydan: Can you read my query? 15.17.49 # it doesn't turn on the screen instantly 15.18.19 Part Rob2222_web 15.18.23 # nobelium: What are your country? 15.18.28 # Portugal 15.18.36 # ah.. 15.19.05 # why :)? 15.19.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.19.51 # nothing :) 15.20.10 Join Toni1 [0] (n=5932d3fc@labb.contactor.se) 15.20.25 # great country ;) 15.20.26 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 15.20.29 # haha.. 15.21.15 # Hi, I just updated my encoder codec patch, if someone is interested: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2939 15.21.47 # less than 6 minutes for 34 builds. Impressive. 15.22.09 # damn 15.22.11 # tucoz: yes, the new build system _flies_ 15.22.29 # How many servers do you have now? 15.22.46 # 5 15.23.04 # How is the new build system construction? 15.23.20 # Toni1: nice 15.23.29 # Toni1: i might take a look at it soonish 15.23.42 # dwihno: it hands out build "instructions" by ssh and each server does a full build and then returns the results 15.24.02 # and then it gets another job 15.24.05 # preglow: good, I think I have finished now most issues 15.24.07 # I can't log anymore in the wiki :S 15.24.09 # until all builds are done 15.24.40 # preglow: Hope, it makes the way into CVS :-) 15.24.59 # You could have a score for that as well. E.g. the rockbox server won this round (in terms of number of builds) ;-) 15.25.17 # B4gder: ah. neato :) 15.25.35 # preglow, petur: there is a hidden problem with recording if voice is enabled 15.25.38 # B4gder: did you remove some persons from the wiki ? 15.25.56 # only persons with 22 links in their personal pages 15.26.01 # hehe 15.26.09 # to car dealers 15.26.19 # I had no link but it seems I can't log in anymore 15.26.35 # skwad: what's your wiki name? 15.26.41 # ThomasV 15.27.09 # it's still there untouched by me 15.27.17 # Toni1: i'm sure it will 15.27.18 # :-( 15.27.36 # (but it doesn't follow the naming convention for wiki names) 15.27.49 # Unless your last name == V 15.27.56 # preglow, petur: if pcm data is written to the very end of audiobuffer, the pcm descriptors get corrupted. After leaving the recording screen the player may hang 15.28.24 # tucoz ? 15.28.42 # preglow, petur: this is also with current pcm_record code 15.29.16 # skwad: Well, when I signed up for the wiki there was this policy that your wiki-name should be FirstnameLastname 15.29.51 # oops 15.30.11 # but I modified a page for 5 minutes and it worked 15.30.40 # I will modify that 15.30.46 # Oh, ok. Well, I don't know how tight that policy is now-a-days. 15.31.17 # B4gder: more work :D 15.31.57 Part Toni1 15.31.59 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 15.32.55 # so B4gder could you delete my ThomasV account ? and I create a new with FirstnameLastname 15.33.08 # ok 15.33.54 # so, now it's done 15.34.03 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.34.03 # * petur notices something about recording... 15.35.14 # test 15.36.19 # Funny detail. One year ago IriverPort got 31808 views in february. Today IpodPort has 30550 views for february. 15.38.12 # and iaudio ? :D 15.38.19 # preglow: how can voice influence recording? By trying to do things with the same dma channel or the link to the uda? 15.38.56 # petur: i don't know, but full duplex audio is said to be possible 15.39.34 # petur: another good question is how we should handle that with codecs. if we want both playback and recording codec to use the same buffer (which would be the best), then we need to do codec swapping when voice is enabled 15.40.02 # slasheri already has made codec swapping for ordinary playback voice ui, we just need to extend that 15.40.02 # I don't know what he meant with the very end of the audiobuffer. It is a circular buffer 15.40.21 # he probably saves the descriptors in the buffer 15.41.22 Part tucoz 15.42.43 # preglow: won't that affect the recording (when its codec gets swapped)? 15.43.14 # petur: depends on how slow the codecs are 15.43.37 # petur: if the recording pcm buffer has time to get filled up by the time the voice codec is done, then yes, yes it will 15.43.59 # so lower the watermark so the callback can handle more time without codec 15.44.00 # but the alternative is to duplicate everything for recording 15.44.06 # which will be a horrible waste 15.44.21 # we really need dynamic mp3buf handling :/ 15.44.46 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.45.25 # set the watermark depending on voice in use. if it is, there will be more free buffer to store unencoded data while voice is active 15.47.45 # if any portuguese user wants to download it http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4749 15.49.27 # preglow: I haven't managed to make any progress with the cpu scaling patch on the 4g. But I think it's worth committing it for the 5g/Nano anyway. 15.50.05 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.52.30 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e4000c@labb.contactor.se) 15.53.02 # So, just uploaded my first wps :D and the first x5 wps ^^ 15.53.42 # what would happen if 2 persons are editing a wiki page at the same time ? 15.53.46 # I want to do one too eheh 15.53.59 # the last one clicking "save" will "win" :p 15.54.16 # page is locked while editing 15.54.24 # ok 15.54.40 # nobelium: for which player ? 15.54.49 # iriver h3xx 15.54.56 # the ultimate dap ;) 15.54.59 Join webguest00 [0] (n=a81cc890@labb.contactor.se) 15.55.30 Quit webguest00 (Client Quit) 15.55.31 Join webguest00 [0] (n=a81cc890@labb.contactor.se) 15.55.44 # bah, more wiki spam 15.55.59 # yes... :( 15.56.06 # attacks of the car spammer 15.56.10 Quit webguest00 (Client Quit) 15.57.36 # isn't it possible to do such a picture with letters for registration and preventing spam ? 15.58.12 # capcha 15.58.54 # album art rocks. 15.59.37 # skwad: That's not very helpful for the many Rockbox users who are blind or visually impaired. 16.00.27 # you can get audio versions of capchas 16.00.42 # i don't imagine you have a deaf audience :) 16.00.54 # heh 16.01.00 # ^^ 16.01.15 # yep coob because you have a mp3 player ..... 16.02.31 # congratulations captain obvious. 16.03.15 # ^^ 16.08.40 # what do you think about my wps : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/thomasv1.png ? 16.09.02 # linuxstb: would you by any chance have some info for me on moving album art to the audio buffer ? 16.09.05 # * petur spots a nice recording post... http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2841.0 16.10.22 # skwad: that's nice 16.10.31 # petur: this patch is awesome :D 16.12.32 # skwad: je vais m'enregistrer 16.12.39 # ok 16.13.13 # I just found something 16.13.22 # Debug menu isn't translatable 16.13.43 # that's intentional 16.14.25 # Nico_P: looking forward to investigating and committing that! 16.14.32 # hmm alright 16.14.37 # no need to translate debugging stuff 16.14.45 # Dump ROM Content 16.14.53 # that only complicates thge debugging 16.14.56 Join Bg3r [0] (n=Bager@87.246.10.17) 16.14.56 # Viw HW Info = Ver Informação de Hardware 16.14.59 # k 16.17.38 Quit Nico_P () 16.18.09 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.18.49 # * Jungti1234 did frustration. 16.20.48 # skwad: je crois que je suis enregistré 16.20.55 # (pas sûr) 16.21.25 # oui c bon 16.21.30 # registered where? 16.21.42 # * Jungti1234 is crying.... :'( 16.22.06 # petur: on freenode 16.22.14 # ah 16.24.35 Join DT291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-32-194-202.bna.bellsouth.net) 16.24.35 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.31.31 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-084-059-104-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.32.21 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fcdac.f.strato-dslnet.de) 16.32.29 # no one to help me with moving the album art to the audio buffer ? 16.34.20 # Nico_P: I think lostlogic is the person to speak to about that 16.34.50 # I can't translate WARNING! Low Battery 16.35.04 # webguest07: yes, i'll wait for him :( 16.35.28 # Nico_P: waste valuable buffer for audio on some eye-candy? 16.35.33 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 16.36.00 # petur: better than waste energy to load the eye-candy from disc 16.36.04 # petur: better waste audio buffer than fixed-size static array 16.36.37 # but more complicated to do 16.36.40 # Wasn't the plan to make it part of get_metadata as well? 16.36.41 # hope this is optional... 16.36.52 # petur: it will be 16.36.59 # yes, the entire metadata should be done like that 16.37.01 # currently it's not, which is the problem 16.37.16 # ok.. that's better then 16.37.23 Quit Zeus ("CGI:IRC") 16.38.14 # B4gder: there's something that should prob be changed here : http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-02-28%2012:47:54.html 16.38.14 Join Farpnut [0] (n=solo84@cm48.sigma157.maxonline.com.sg) 16.38.34 # "Back to daily builds" --> "Back to CVS builds" 16.38.45 # ah! 16.39.28 # my battery is at 3.60V 16.39.49 # when does rb start changing LCD display time to 2 seconds? 16.40.08 Nick solexx_ is now known as solexx (n=jrschulz@c196037.adsl.hansenet.de) 16.46.27 # wahahahaha 16.47.26 Join vmx_ [0] (i=oma@p549B78B3.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.48.38 Join yan [0] (n=yan@neu93-1-82-231-167-182.fbx.proxad.net) 16.50.10 Quit vmx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.52.50 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.55.25 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e4000c@labb.contactor.se) 17.08.39 Join Farpe [0] (n=solo84@cm48.sigma157.maxonline.com.sg) 17.10.58 # petur: I hope the agc stuff uses the pre-existing peak calculation. Then it should be possible to make it work on all targets (with recording) 17.12.04 # I wanted to implement that for ages... (not exactly top prio though) 17.13.26 # Thanks all.... 17.13.40 # bye 17.13.48 Quit Jungti1234 () 17.15.09 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 17.19.02 # amiconn: yes, it looks nice... 17.19.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.19.30 # I don't know how much code this peak history thing adds. 17.19.46 # ..and whether ic would fit on the archos screen either 17.19.52 # s/ic/it/ 17.20.04 # that will be a problem I think 17.20.19 # but just agc control should fit 17.20.51 # that said, I only know those target screens from the sim ;) 17.21.35 # We have 8 lines on archos (with sysfont) 17.22.19 # it must fit, as the previous gain commit removed one line... 17.22.42 # don't know how usefull the histogram is 17.24.04 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.26.20 # 0: recording time, 1: status/split time/filesize 2: peakmeter, 3: heaphone volume, 4: mic gain/left gain, 5: right gain, 7: frequency & channels 17.26.24 # Line 6 is free 17.26.52 Quit Farpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.27.18 Join Farpe [0] (n=solo84@cm48.sigma157.maxonline.com.sg) 17.29.48 # amiconn: no time now and tonight... so tomorrow maybe I'll have a look - unless somebody does it first :) 17.32.33 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 17.32.59 Part LinusN 17.45.52 Quit petur ("badminton!") 17.47.01 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 17.48.14 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.49.09 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 17.52.46 Join jlo [0] (n=jlo@atm91-1-82-227-1-35.fbx.proxad.net) 17.53.06 # hi 17.55.09 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484CE4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.55.49 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.00.39 # preglow, are you here ? 18.00.51 # yeah, but busy 18.01.20 Join yeahx [0] (n=aarond@c-67-183-44-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 18.01.41 # so I'll come back later, bye 18.02.10 Part jlo 18.03.46 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 18.05.45 Quit Farpe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.06.12 Join Farpe [0] (n=solo84@cm58.sigma6.maxonline.com.sg) 18.12.29 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 18.13.42 # can i ask a question about the battery of my h300 running rockbox? 18.14.56 # i've just been using it (from a full charge) playing music.. almost nonstop for 4 hours... and the power went down 35% 18.15.00 # is this normal? 18.15.20 # or bad/good? 18.17.28 # and another question... 18.18.12 Quit kkurbjun (Nick collision from services.) 18.18.14 # I made a modification to the controls for rockdoom so that hold switches the direction buttons to strafe.. before there was no way of strafing.. 18.18.40 # is there any chance that it would be useful to make a patch or something and make it availiable? 18.18.41 # if you mean poor power consumption, then we're aware of that 18.18.54 Join effitor [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 18.19.02 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 18.19.07 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 18.19.13 # preglow: i don't know if it's poor power consumption... that's why i'm asking =) 18.19.35 # what does rockbox do with open file descriptors when a plugin exits? 18.19.52 # kkurbjun: it worked!! =D 18.20.02 # kkurbjun: i can now strafe =) 18.20.14 # SuperSnout: great, good to hear 18.20.30 # i can't believe it was so simple.. 18.20.37 # how does the hold button work out for you and strafing? 18.20.48 # it's not too bad.. usable.. 18.20.54 # but i was thinking.. 18.21.00 # what about using navi for strafe? 18.21.15 # navi overrides direction buttons but that wouldn't matter 18.21.21 # preglow: Just a heads up, there's been a bit of talk of the equalizers not working right with the three PKs, in case word hasn't got to you from elsewhere. 18.21.27 # you wouldn't be holding navi.. just clicking it to toggle strafe.. 18.21.39 # ahh, to toggle it 18.21.41 # hmm 18.22.12 # oh yeah.. and is there a key to bring up the map? 18.22.58 # I dunno, I'd have to give that a thought, I never thought about that option. Yes. let me check what key it is 18.23.05 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.23.33 # does anyone know anything about the file handlers? I'm asking because I'm getting corrupted files on rockbox 18.23.47 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-20-134.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.25.24 # i also wanted to ask about making and submitting patches... 18.25.35 # what's the etiquette? and are there any guides for making them? 18.25.40 # what patch did you want to submit? 18.26.26 # create patches with diff -uBb, make sure you don't have any dos newlines in them 18.27.02 # well.. a change of the doom controls.. 18.27.10 # or is that not done? 18.27.16 # SuperSnout: Generally speaking, you don't submit patches for other patches anyway. 18.27.32 # I mean, you could attach it as a comment onto the Doom patch. 18.27.34 # is it a patch for a patch? 18.27.43 # Since Doom isn't a part of Rockbox, yeah. 18.27.49 # in optimized it is 18.27.55 # I won't be applying a change of controls patch unless it's a menu option to change the controls 18.27.59 # Optimized isn't part of the official Rockbox project. 18.28.15 # so.. they don't have any patches? 18.28.32 # if you make a patch that allows the users to change the keys at runtime I will apply it 18.28.56 # kkurbjun: okay.. i don't think that will happen =) 18.29.21 # kkurbjun: would be nice.. just don't think i'd be able to do it.. 18.29.37 # kkurbjun: On open file descriptor would just stay open. There is no resource tracking in rockbox, each application part is responsible to release what it got 18.29.45 # s/on/An/ 18.30.02 Join Mongey [0] (n=mongeyc@86.41.13.158) 18.30.17 # Supersnout, I've included strafing in the next build using the on key. up changes weapons now, I have to keep run in the game because it's necessary to beat parts of the game. 18.30.25 # MAX_OPEN_FILES == 8, so if you do that several times, sooner or later file actions will fail 18.30.25 # amiconn: I have a non-technical question about plugins resources release. How is that handled by rockbox? 18.30.27 # lostlogic 18.30.35 # are you here? 18.30.35 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa46.2.tellas.gr) 18.30.41 # amiconn: so could open file descriptors possibly be causeing my file corruption? 18.30.49 # no 18.30.57 # That is, usually not 18.31.05 # hmm 18.31.20 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@66.28.245.154) 18.31.46 # kkurbjun: Ideally, you should just set run to permanently on. I don't think there are really any instances in Doom where you *want* to be moving slow, that you can't get by just tapping the move forward instead of holding. 18.31.52 # kkurbjun: holding the on key? or using it to toggle? and what do you mean keep run? with the version i've got you can't do anything but run.. even before i changed the script.. 18.32.09 # has anyone seen lostlogic ? 18.32.09 # If nobody closes them before shutdown *and* something has been written to the file without even calling fsync(), the latest changes don't get written to disk 18.32.19 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@APuteaux-111-1-1-221.w80-11.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.32.22 Quit Febs (Client Quit) 18.32.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: What about enabling Run when button repeat kicks in? 18.32.58 # Paul: I find run difficult to use for aiming and the like 18.33.02 # amiconn: that's also a good idea.. 18.33.10 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@66.28.245.154) 18.33.16 Join dropandho [0] (n=dave@gateway.symphony.org) 18.33.19 # hey guys! 18.33.23 # kkurbjun: You could adjust the turn speed in the source so that it's not affected by run-condition. 18.33.34 # kkurbjun: does run make turning faster too? 18.33.49 Quit Rob2222 () 18.34.09 # amiconn: can the keypad buttons still be read when the hold switch is on.. I was thinking of a hold modifier so when it's on the keys are a second layout 18.34.10 # amiconn: I have to agree, I like that idea too. 18.34.37 # amiconn: I don't know what's causeing the corruption becuase the file I'm writing to is being properly closed 18.34.39 # kkurbjun: I don't know about iRivers, but I understand on the iPods if Hold is on, no keypresses register at all. 18.34.56 # kkurbjun: yeah.. is it possible? or is hold a fundamental thing that is part of the hardware? 18.35.31 # so is it me or are the button assignments for the H1xx remote a little confusing? 18.35.40 # "kkurbjun: holding the on key? or using it to toggle?" does on key override directions? 18.35.43 # I know the mode, rec, on and off can still be read in the debug menu, but I don't know about the keypad, it doesn't show any changes when the hold is on 18.35.47 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB1DC9A.ipt.aol.com) 18.36.52 # amiconn: I was getting this problem sometimes when copying a new file to the player, I would copy it over and then it would say cannot read doom.rock, I guess that would be caused by too many file decriptors open 18.37.12 # becuase the open wads are not properly closed right now 18.38.04 # I'll see if I can get the wad files to close properly and see if that fixes the problems though 18.39.44 Quit effitor ("Leaving") 18.40.51 # supersnout: holding the on key, not a toggle, I can't think of a situation that you would always want to strafe 18.40.52 Part Paul_The_Nerd 18.41.02 # the key for the automap is KEY_TAB 18.41.13 # I think 18.41.31 # is it not i use? 18.41.34 # *in 18.41.47 # would it have to be yet assigned? 18.42.34 # I think getting the automap to work properly would take a bit more modification with the source version you are using actually thinking about it 18.43.27 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 18.43.59 # okay 18.44.19 Quit muesli- ("ich will Kühe!!!") 18.44.59 # kkurbjun: i've just found a really strange thing in the controls. 18.45.31 # it doesnt' seem like down does anything.. but when you're holding down you cant turn right but you can turn left =S 18.46.44 Join egotrippen [0] (n=c7616225@labb.contactor.se) 18.48.43 # hmm, I didn't realize that, I'm not sure why taht works for left and not right, but either way you can only read one keypad button at a time 18.49.33 # keypad meaning direction? 18.50.18 # snout, you get your thing working yesterday? 18.50.24 # yeah, the direction keys, you can see how the buttons react in the debug menu in rockbox 18.51.09 # look at ADC_BUTTONS, GPIO_READ, and GPIO1_READ 18.55.51 # is this ipod talk? 18.57.49 # egotrippen: yeah!! 18.58.04 # cool, good to hear 18.58.20 # =-) 18.58.21 Quit Thus0 ("Leaving") 18.58.38 # kkurbjun: but how can that be true if you can shoot while turning? 18.58.52 # obviously you can use two diretions at the same time 18.59.21 # egotrippen: and then i realised my dad had linux running on another conputer so i didn't actually have to bother installing cygwin 18.59.24 # hmm...why does charging uses iriver's original firmware? h3xx 18.59.24 # typical 18.59.29 Quit Shani}{Coder (Client Quit) 18.59.36 # it hasn't been sorted out yet 18.59.36 # you can use any of the bottons on the side in combination with the keypad 18.59.43 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45B2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.59.45 # hahaha 18.59.45 Join _FireFly [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45B2B.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.59.49 Quit _FireFly_ (Client Quit) 19.00.06 # any H1XX remote users here? 19.00.08 # nobelium: just turn your iriver on first and then plug it in.. then it'll be charging in rockbox 19.00.16 # nobelium: word is that Linus was waiting for USB charging to be sorted before adding them both to the bootloader 19.00.27 # up, down, left, right, and navi can only be used individually, the rest of the buttons are independent 19.00.30 # egotrippen, exactly the answer I was looking for :p 19.00.39 # thanks 19.00.50 # and, if i'm reading the forum right, USB charging just got sorted out. it's a little over my head, but i think that 19.00.53 # that's the jist 19.01.16 # kkurbjun: really.. then how come i can press up and side to shoot and turn? 19.01.39 # ooops, just noticed I subtmited compiled .lng file 19.02.45 # kkurbjun: i've had doom crash quite a few time when i press exit.. now for instance.. 19.03.01 # Supersnout: I don't know what up you're talking about, I guess the buttons that work individually would properly be called (on the iriver) +, -, left, right 19.03.25 # yeah... 19.03.39 # they don't work independent on my player 19.03.41 # i can use + and left at the same time.. 19.03.41 Quit skwad ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.04.09 # kkurbjun: let me just check incase i'm wrong.. 19.04.12 # did you map + to something? 19.04.18 Join webguest94 [0] (n=54621550@labb.contactor.se) 19.05.05 # it's just shoot.. 19.05.21 # did you change that? 19.05.32 # oh, are you using the optimized version? 19.05.43 Join infamis [0] (n=444e641a@labb.contactor.se) 19.05.49 # yeah.. optimized.. 19.05.52 # oy 19.05.57 # that's outdated 19.06.02 # and i'm ever so sorry.. i was completely wrong.. 19.06.17 # np 19.06.19 # the buttons can only be used one at a time.. 19.06.44 # it's just that after you let go the other button takes over.. 19.07.05 # Supersnout: the crashes on exit and a number of other bugs are fixed in the latest version 19.07.29 # the just released a new optimized today 19.07.35 # the menu keys are also always mapped to up, down, left, right 19.07.38 # dunno if it uses an updated Doom version 19.08.15 # yes, it should have the latest version according to needleboy's log 19.10.07 # yeah. you should update, snout, the older one was pretty outdated in terms of CVS updates 19.10.15 # so should i update my rockbox? 19.10.23 # okay.. 19.10.28 # just make sure you save your changes to the Doom source 19.10.29 # from the misticriver thread? 19.10.32 # yeah 19.10.46 # kkurbjun: so how is the state of the doom code nowadays? 19.10.55 # oh yeah.. thanks egotrippen! all that work would have been wasted.. 19.11.03 # ha 19.11.04 # LinusN: the version that 19.11.07 # yeah, taht's important :) 19.11.10 # s on the tracker is stable 19.11.14 # not that i'm using the hold button all that much =P 19.11.30 # I have a version that has alot of graphic imporvements, but it doesn't work with all the mods 19.11.38 # I get stack overflows occasionally 19.12.05 # Linusn: the version on the tracker also fits in plugin ram 19.12.07 # egotrippen: actually it's ok.. it still have the modified files on my computer.. 19.12.21 # kkurbjun: is it free of warnings on all platforms? 19.12.32 # ok. just make sure you don't overwrite them when you unzip the latest source 19.12.32 Quit Mongey () 19.12.51 Quit webguest94 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.13.09 # on the H300 it is. It's not free of warnings on gcc 4 though, but it doesn't fit in the ipod's plugin memory either (at least on gcc 4) 19.13.28 Join Shani}{Coder [0] (i=Coder@2001:5c0:84dc:1:2:0:0:10) 19.13.51 # I'd imagine the H100's it would be free of warnings too, but someone needs to write display code for that player 19.14.17 # ok, so the plugin should really only be built on the h300 in the CVS builds? 19.14.32 # the version that I have would fit on the ipod if I can get it to stop overflowing the stack 19.14.34 Join SnokeekonS [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 19.14.36 # yes 19.14.42 # kkurbjun: ..preferably using the grayscale lib :) 19.14.47 # : ) 19.15.45 # What's the internal gfx format of doom, i.e. before your display code converts it to 16bit? 19.15.50 Quit paugh (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 19.15.55 # 256 color 19.16.09 # palettes like rockboy 19.16.24 # Hmm, does the palette change a lot? 19.16.41 Join skwad-eat [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 19.16.42 # ..and does the display code get notified about palette changes? 19.16.45 # it changes for every hit or item pickup 19.18.03 # I didn't look, but do you precalculate the palette -> 16 bit mapping? 19.19.12 # originally every time the palette was updated it was recalculated, I have a version that precalculates it and then to update the palette it copys over an already translated palette to IRAM 19.19.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.19.33 # translated: calculated 19.20.01 # that's not on the tracker though 19.20.23 # Okay, so using the grayscale lib for H1x0 shouldn't need much work. 19.21.14 # Instead of precalculating the mapping to 16bit, it would have to calculate the mapping to brightness values 19.21.38 Nick SnokeekonS is now known as paugh (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 19.22.44 # that shouldn't be too bad I'm guessing with this new code, do you have a macro like the LCD_RGBPACK? 19.23.16 # No, but it's easy if the palette entries are RGB888 19.23.33 # yeah, they are 19.23.38 # or it is 19.24.53 # Zagor: While the "chessbox" patch was accepted, the corresponding tracker entry is still open. 19.25.14 # Is that a tracker problem, or did just no one bother to close it? 19.25.43 # There are in fact 2 patches... 19.27.26 # can i ask your opinions of my little patch? 19.28.46 # it's for displaying '..' files while keeping '.' files hidden, like for bands or album names starting with '...' 19.29.13 # i understand the reservation is, it's not the way Linux does things, but i still think it makes sense for a music player 19.31.48 # it's a good think rockbox has nothing to do with linux then 19.32.01 # well 19.32.21 # i think it was linuxstb told me a tentative 'why not' 19.32.26 # and badger is against it 19.33.07 # i'm using it anyway, so i'm only so concerned, but i want to ask after it a little 19.33.10 # i don't know if he would like being called badger 19.33.20 # sorry 19.33.35 # um... what's proper? 19.34.35 # i'm used to adressing online people by their screennames, i mean no disrespect 19.34.51 # ah yes, but you mistyped it :) 19.35.02 # yes, yes i did 19.35.05 # thanks for pointing that out 19.35.13 # sorry, i'm a bit tired and i thought it was funny 19.35.23 # i'll be quiet now so someone has a chance to see your question 19.35.35 # i never looked that closely at the letter order, just assumed it was badger 19.35.36 # :) 19.35.52 # * Mikachu hands egotrippen a tab key 19.36.06 # haha 19.37.06 # Mikachu: wow...never knew that! 19.37.21 # * infamis is new to irc 19.37.41 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@81-178-235-210.dsl.pipex.com) 19.38.16 # good deed of the day 19.39.39 # there was this one guy who didn't know about /me, he would always go like this 19.39.41 # * Mikachu laughs 19.39.58 # we didn't tell him about it for a couple of weeks 19.42.00 # hehe 19.42.02 # Mikachu: the command is "/me laughs" 19.42.09 # LOL 19.42.09 # "thanks" 19.42.09 # hahaha 19.42.15 # ;P 19.42.26 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-a8a532b08c143aee) 19.42.30 # heh 19.43.41 # I always thought everyone typed out the name of the person they were referencing...lol 19.43.55 # if that were so, nobody would ever talk to bhsleprechaun 19.44.00 # "/me laughs" <-- it doesn't work BHSPitLappy :( 19.44.07 # :P 19.44.16 Quit Nico_P () 19.45.10 # poor t0mas :( 19.45.55 # The tab thing only works for the first char? You can't type "inf"[tab] & it auto-finishes? Or is it just this IRC client? 19.46.04 # client 19.46.20 # * infamis ends his display of noobishness 19.46.26 # some clients don't support the completion at all... 19.46.30 # my client even adds the : for me 19.46.36 # The web client is limited to first char 19.46.37 # mine did that too 19.46.41 # and I don't like it :) 19.46.42 # that's customizable. 19.46.48 # in xchat it is 19.46.50 Quit bluey (Remote closed the connection) 19.46.59 # yeah i can make it insert a random string too 19.47.03 # I should change my tab-complete character to ", you douchebag:" 19.47.10 # ghehe 19.47.14 # lol 19.47.20 # * t0mas just switched it off 19.47.28 # don't like the : after all names :) 19.47.55 # only when at the start of a line 19.48.08 # infamis: how's it going 19.48.24 # * amiconn 's client also allows configuration of the 'nick completion char' 19.48.55 # amiconn, how's that errno fix? Or is Bagder the one I should ask? 19.49.05 Join Chamois [0] (n=Florian@bro67-3-82-231-134-112.fbx.proxad.net) 19.50.14 # Anyone in here building rockbox on another system than Linux or Windows? 19.50.23 # HydraIRC? :P 19.50.28 # I.e. *bsd, MacosX ? 19.51.17 # amiconn: I'm still getting corrupted files even with this wrapper 19.51.27 # markun? 19.51.51 # err, I made a wrapper to keep track of the files open and close them out at the end of the runtime 19.51.58 # amiconn, linuxstb might have been trying to build the SDL sim under OSX 19.55.43 # linuxstb? 19.57.58 # safetydan: I need some info about those systems, and I need to do some tests for win32 myself 19.58.11 # Then I'll commit that fix 20.00.41 # I think you can commit first, then test more 20.00.51 # since it'll be way easier to get people to test it 20.01.02 # and it is likely to work for a vast majority anyway 20.01.21 # you guys use the remote on the H1XX at all? 20.01.41 # I just want some info - whether /usr/include/errno.h is present on these systems 20.01.44 # dropandho, sometimes, why? 20.01.57 # im sooo confused by the button mapping 20.02.00 # amiconn: it will be present on all modern *nix-like systems 20.02.13 # is there anywhere to change the buttons? 20.03.42 # you know, it seems normal now...im a dumbo! 20.04.36 Quit quobl ("Leaving") 20.05.03 # dropandho, button mappings are not configurable at the moment 20.05.12 # but I've never had any problems with it before 20.05.17 # been a while since I used it though 20.05.59 # question: on tools/configure, if you select the target select (d) devel, and then put in "ds" for options, doesn't that mean it should build the (s)imulator with (d)ebug? 20.06.24 # i could have sworn it was buggy on one startup...and was wondering if it was a cfg file...it was prob just me! 20.07.31 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@28.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.08.44 # dropandho, there were some changes to remote control autodetection last week or so, maybe that's what you saw 20.09.33 # i almost never use the remote since Rockbox came out... weird 20.09.36 # i used to use it all the time 20.10.20 # that just occured to me. probably because i can set a playlist beforehand, i don't need it as much 20.11.56 # infamis: never mind, I got it 20.12.40 # it's one letter per line 20.13.37 # ahhh- i find i need it....i live in nyc...so i don't want to take my unit out and show it to the world 20.13.50 # (eventhough i am awfully proud of the rockbox work you guys did!) 20.14.23 # heh. yeah, i understand 20.14.37 # so i cant wait till it is all ported onto the remote! 20.17.04 Quit skwad-eat ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.19.19 Join Thus0_ [0] (n=Thus0@100.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.19.39 Quit Thus0 (Connection reset by peer) 20.20.33 Nick Thus0_ is now known as Thus0 (n=Thus0@100.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 20.21.37 Join cooltom [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 20.21.48 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 20.22.58 Join webguest60 [0] (n=c26d1695@labb.contactor.se) 20.23.06 Quit webguest60 (Client Quit) 20.26.13 # hmm 20.26.20 # i should also send my .lang file by cvs 20.26.38 Quit cooltom ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.27.04 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 20.27.24 Join cooltom [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 20.27.58 # nobelium: you updated the portugues .lang ? 20.28.03 # yes 20.28.08 # I can commit it... 20.28.14 Quit infamis ("re-bute") 20.28.19 # that would be good :) 20.28.23 # it's 100% complete 20.28.33 # ok, can you DCC or e-mail it to me? 20.28.35 # I compiled it myself for testing purposes 20.28.39 # or is it on the patch tracker? 20.28.44 # it's on Patch tracker 20.28.45 # :) 20.28.48 # ok 20.28.54 # both .lng and .lang 20.29.11 Quit dropandho () 20.29.25 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4749 <-- that one right? 20.29.34 # yes :) 20.29.40 # it's spelled "português.lang" 20.29.52 # it's not correctly displayed in the tracker 20.31.03 # Slasheri / lostlogic: I think there may be some sort of a bug in the playback/buffering system. For certain albums it skips songs. Seems to only happen on albums with very short songs. 20.32.07 # In the example I testing right now if always skips the 5th song on the album. It only happens if you let it play straight through, if I skip songs then it plays fine. 20.33.01 # nobelium: wait a moment, I have no dev. access to the tracker, so I can't close it etc. 20.33.40 # Using H3xx, ogg Q9, I've noticed it happening in the last three or four weeks' builds 20.34.40 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@lns-bzn-30-82-253-159-175.adsl.proxad.net) 20.35.47 # nobelium: you changed the line-ends in the portugues.lang file :) 20.35.56 # webguest07: How short of a song? 20.36.03 # What's strange is the songs actually show in the playlist; but when song #4 is playing, song #6 is shown as the next song in the wps 20.36.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: Generally 1-2 minutes 20.36.43 # The album it just happened on is No Control by Bad Religion 20.38.30 # It's happened in other albums as well, just can't remember off the top of my head what they were... 20.39.51 # Is it specific? Like, always the same songs? If you shuffle, will it still skip those songs when it should get to them? If you reencode with a different codec does it do the same thing? 20.41.35 # Well for the album I noticed today, it's always the same song. I remember playing the same album with no issues a while back. I'm going to do some experimentation with shuffling and starting at different points in the album right now. I can re-encode later tonight and to test that... 20.42.26 # If I skip to or play that specific song it's fine which leads me to believe it's something else 20.43.15 # Do you play that album as a playlist, or just click the first song and go? 20.43.28 # Click the first song and go 20.44.02 # amiconn: If you're still interested, then yes, Mac OS X does have /usr/include/errno.h - all it does is #include , which is where the real work is. 20.44.23 # And is it all songs under ~2 minutes, or just some? Like, have you seen a shorter song play normalls? 20.44.25 # normally 20.44.59 Quit _FireFly (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.45.59 # On this album most are under 2 minutes, I just mentioned that because I thought it might be relevant. I *believe* one of the other albums with same problem was another Bad Religion album with similar length songs. 20.46.39 # t0mas: was away, sorry 20.46.45 # np 20.46.52 # what do you mean with the line-ends :)? 20.47.05 # webguest07: So, shorter songs have not been skipped? 20.47.06 # you use windows right? 20.47.24 # yes..edited with jane and saved as utf-8 with notepad 20.47.33 # too lazy to install ultra edit :p 20.47.40 # ok, windows marks the end of a line with \r\n 20.47.44 # linux just uses \n 20.47.56 # so that's why CVS sees everything as changed 20.48.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: nope. My theory (albeit possibly flawed) is that maybe the number of tracks being buffered simultaneously is to blame. 20.48.38 # nobelium: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/diff.txt 20.48.44 # is that all you wanted to change? 20.48.58 # or more? 20.49.14 # because I corrected it, so this should only contain your changes... nothing else 20.49.34 # All right, so I started the same album at song #2 instead of #1. It then proceeded to skip #6. So for some reason the 5th song in the playlist under these circumstance is getting skipped :( 20.50.48 # But if you browse to it, it's not? 20.50.55 # second 20.50.56 # Nope 20.51.04 # I'm doing a shuffle test right now... 20.51.28 # You said these are Q9 ogg? 20.51.28 # And it shows up in the playlist viewer ? 20.51.37 # Yes Q9 20.52.07 # What filesize are 2, 3, and 4? Like, megabytes with a decimal or two? 20.52.18 # Never had any problems until recently 20.52.20 # t0mas, can you read my pm? 20.52.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'll check filesize in a minute, want to let my shuffle test finish... 20.53.01 # Yeah 20.53.16 # Rather, 2, 3, 4, and 5 I guess. 20.53.20 # Or 1, 2, 3, and 4 20.53.22 # Either set 20.54.05 # I know I don't know anything about the playback at all. I'm really only good for really small, basic fixes here 'n there. But I figure, the more questions that get asked, at least the more information available when someone who does know arrives. 20.54.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: I agree, the more information the better :) 20.55.08 Quit cooltom ("CGI:IRC") 20.55.53 # Paul_The_Nerd, are you aware of the layer priority on USB connection / WPS? 20.56.20 # It skips the 5th song on the playlist even if the album is shuffled 20.56.35 # the WPS generally gets messed up with the USB mode on 20.57.46 # nobelium: What exactly happens. "Messed up" is a very vague statement 20.58.09 # webguest07: Alright. You said most of the songs are about the same length. How big are the files? 20.58.35 # i'm sorry. The layers won't work properly..there are purple zones in the display 20.58.38 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 20.58.48 # the overlay isn't working as it should I think 20.58.59 # nobelium: Is purple your foreground or background color? Like, not via image, but in the settings? 20.59.39 # not at all, I think that is derivate from transparent bitmaps 21.00.22 # alright, I just reproduced the bug 21.00.34 # nobelium: Okay, and what exactly do you mean by "there are purple zones in the display"? When you plug in the USB cable, the USB icon appears in the middle of the screen, and then what? 21.00.44 # I'm playing a music, with the WPS running 21.01.02 # then I connect it to USB mode 21.01.43 # Filesize/length: (#1) 2.7mb, 0:55; (#2) 5.0mb, 1:42; (#3) 5.2mb, 1:47; (#4) 4.8mb, 1:34; (#5) 4.8mb 1:40; (#6) 6.8mb 2:17 21.01.47 # the USB icons appears, but the background still shows "Now Playing", "Next track" and 3 other bitmaps 21.02.14 # nobelium, the USB connect code probably doesn't clear the screen properly 21.02.19 # webguest07: So, 5 should be wholly in the buffer, I'd imagine. 21.02.25 # 2 purple rectangles appear also: one on top, and another that shows beneath the usb icon 21.02.51 # safetydan, should I submit it to bug tracker or no need then? 21.02.54 # nobelium: Purple, or more magenta by change? 21.02.59 # *chance 21.03.10 # i'd say more mangenta yes 21.03.42 # *magenta 21.03.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm imagine so, but based on hd activity it seems to do a small buffering during the first song and then a much larger one right at the end of the first / beginning of the second 21.03.55 # It's possible 255,0,255 doesn't get ignored on the USB screen, or something. 21.03.58 # I'd 21.04.30 # webguest07: Well, in the Info->Debug menu, you can actually watch the PCM and Compressed buffers as it goes through the playlist, and even see how many songs are buffered at any time. 21.04.36 # And then if buffers again just before the middle of the second song 21.04.52 # Hmmm...let me check that out 21.04.59 # Paul_The_Nerd, yes, that would be the transparent "color", right? 21.05.48 # nobelium, probably since that way your report won't get lost 21.06.26 # Yeah 21.06.37 # The WPS screen should definitely be cleared on USB connect, I imagine. 21.06.42 # yup 21.06.53 # and only show backdrop + usb icon 21.07.01 # since USB icon is overlay'ed 21.07.26 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46CC6.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.08.01 # There aren't really "overlays" and "layers" 21.09.15 # USB icon = transparent bitmap then? 21.09.26 # Mono bitmap, I believe 21.10.41 # k 21.14.02 Join jlo [0] (n=jlo@atm91-1-82-227-1-35.fbx.proxad.net) 21.16.21 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 21.16.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: I don't know if this is related or not, but it seems the boost ratio is 90%+ during the second song when it begins really buffering 21.17.11 # webguest07: With Q9 oggs, that's to be expected 21.17.44 # iirc this was one of the albums that skipped badly before lostlogic/lear 's optimizations 21.18.17 # Maybe the buffering routine is impacted by the heavy cpu requirements? 21.18.29 # I dunno 21.18.47 # If it's always the 5th song, I'm guessing it's more of a math error somewhere. 21.19.10 # * webguest07 summons the masters of buffering Slasheri & lostlogic! 21.19.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.20.32 # webguest07: hi 21.20.43 # webguest07: yes, while buffering the cpu is constantly boosted 21.20.50 # Now for the next twist, if I turn the eq on it doesn't skip ?? 21.21.01 # Really? 21.21.17 # that's really weird, i would say 21.21.25 # Maybe the eq changes are related? This started around that time... 21.22.37 # Slasheri, did you read the this entire discussion - it's a strange circumstance 21.23.07 # webguest07: not yet 21.23.45 # but that's sounds normal that it will buffer small amount first 21.23.55 Quit Farpe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.24.15 # at first it tries to buffer only the first song and if user continues listening to the same song, then it does a full buffer fill 21.25.17 # * amiconn__ notices he is still present twice 21.25.29 # Slasheri: *nod* that's what I observed in the debug menu 21.26.53 Nick amiconn__ is now known as amiconn|amd64 (n=jens@p54BD6519.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.26.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn|amd64 21.27.12 # amiconn, /ns ghost nick pass 21.27.20 # No ghost... 21.27.23 # ? 21.27.26 # oh 21.27.27 # ok 21.27.28 # =] 21.27.35 # Maybe I can send the songs to someone with an H1xx to see if they exhibit the same behavior? If not, it's probably the H3xx boost that's responsible 21.28.08 Quit yeahx () 21.28.12 # does it play well on any other music player? 21.28.14 # winamp, wmp 21.28.48 # They play fine, they even play fine on the H3xx so long as they are not played consecutively 21.28.54 # ah 21.29.04 # no idea then 21.32.31 # hi preglow, do you have some time now ? 21.33.42 Join Farpe [0] (n=solo84@cm58.sigma6.maxonline.com.sg) 21.34.01 Join Thus0_ [0] (n=Thus0@100.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 21.34.47 # Hi there 21.36.01 # I have a question: What about LRockbox and power consumption with iPod ? 21.36.39 Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC for those that like to be different") 21.36.54 # Did someone test it and made comparisons against the original Apple's firmware? 21.38.13 # yan: It's not at a point yet where power consumption has even been worked on. It's definitely consuming more power than Apple right now. 21.38.47 Join saerdnaer [0] (n=AH@Rd56a.r.pppool.de) 21.38.55 # hi 21.39.24 # is it also possible to use rockbox on small mp3 players? 21.39.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: When you say "definitely" do you have an idea of the time it takes to consume the battery ? 21.40.21 # yan: On an iPod Nano, ~8 hours using very high bitrate OGG files. 21.40.41 # how long does apple last? 21.40.49 # saerdnaer: There's a list of supported players at the site. 21.40.52 Join infamis [0] (i=HydraIRC@adsl-68-78-100-26.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 21.41.17 # url? 21.41.21 # Mikachu: Supposedly 14 hours. I got about 10-12 out of it with Mp3s at about ~200kps, these oggs are about ~256 21.41.34 # sardnaer: Rockbox.org? 21.41.49 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.41.49 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders how people end up in the irc channel without knowing about the site. 21.41.52 # at the download page? 21.41.58 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 21.42.18 # saerdnaer: the documentation page 21.42.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: This is quite a long time :) 21.42.27 # The download page, the "other mp3 players" link at the front. There's a variety of information talking about what it's available for, and what it's in progress for. 21.43.04 # yan: Yeah, it's pretty impressive since the CPU runs at full power the whole time still. The cpu never rests yet. 21.43.26 Part infamis 21.44.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: okay, that's not a huge difference 21.44.05 # i meant mp3 players like this one http://www.grundig.de/index.php?id=194&no_cache=1 21.44.21 Join infamis [0] (i=HydraIRC@adsl-68-78-100-26.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 21.44.28 Quit needleboy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.44.36 # saerdnaer: rockbox is only supported on the players we port it to 21.45.06 # so somebody must port it ;-) 21.45.33 # Mikachu: All things considered, not at all. But I don't know if the difference is greater or smaller on the iPod Color/Video/etc 21.45.38 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c220-239-137-122.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 21.45.42 # If I want to try Rockbox on an iPod, should I use daily builds or even the CVS or is there any tarball ? 21.46.07 # yan: I recommend the Daily or bleeding to start. 21.46.20 # www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation for instructions 21.46.21 Quit infamis (Client Quit) 21.46.34 Join infamis [0] (i=infamis@adsl-68-78-100-26.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 21.47.33 # Thanks Paul_The_Nerd I'll read it 21.48.16 # yay, building for arm target works on amd64 w/o modification 21.48.58 # Slasheri: Are you here? 21.50.02 Quit Thus0 (Connection timed out) 21.50.22 Part infamis 21.50.23 Quit egotrippen ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.50.28 Join infamis [0] (i=infamis@adsl-68-78-100-26.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 21.50.44 # so if i want to start a port, where should i start? 21.51.02 # i have a datasheet of the used chip 21.51.11 # Someone reported ticks with the H300 lcd remote 21.51.19 Part jlo 21.51.23 # saerdnaer: rip it apart, scan PCB, identify circuits, dissasemble firmware 21.51.42 # post images, gather friends 21.51.44 # i have the source code of the firmware 21.51.52 # aha 21.52.07 # cool 21.52.10 # what cpu is it? 21.52.11 # do you think that the same option could be enabled for the H300 by just adding the #define HAVE_REMOTE_LCD_TICKING 21.52.13 # but it's only a former version of the use on my mp3 21.52.46 # it isn't a big player like an ipod 21.53.04 # it's this one: http://www.grundig.de/index.php?id=194&no_cache=1 21.53.25 # what cpu is it? 21.53.25 # so the whole player only consists of 2 chips 21.53.43 # one flash chip and and sigmaltel chip 21.53.51 # i don't no until now 21.54.22 # you don't know? 21.54.36 # you said you have data sheet and source 21.54.44 # if you wait an min, i will search the photos of it 21.54.57 # yes but i haven't read it yet ;-) 21.55.13 # then you should probably start just there ;-) 21.55.16 # * infamis finds the closest large object and gives infamis a slap with it 21.55.26 # ouch 21.56.45 Join webguest74 [0] (n=cd9924ab@labb.contactor.se) 21.57.29 # woo, working directory copy 22.00.05 # safetyan eny plans to commit? 22.00.31 # after testing this some more and making sure things don't blow up horribly maybe :) 22.00.56 # then you could add file properties :) (I think there is already a patch for this) 22.02.15 Quit infamis (Client Quit) 22.03.04 # Like file size and attributes? 22.03.11 # yes 22.03.12 # Bagder: I noticed that 'make veryclean' misses to clean two .o files in tools/ 22.03.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: I can't find an ipod_fw utility built for Linux... 22.03.25 # amiconn: feel free to fix 22.03.40 # yan: For that you'll need to grab the source from the CVS builds page, I think 22.03.49 # yan: It'll be in the /tools/ folder 22.04.01 # precisely tools/iriver.o and tools/ucl/uclpack.o 22.04.21 # XavierGr, I can't find a patch for that on the tracker, but it shouldn't be hard to add 22.04.22 # amiconn: That almost looked like a response to my statement. 22.04.22 # Ok, I'll get all of this using CVS 22.04.25 Quit SereR0kR ("XChat Aqua") 22.04.27 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 22.04.30 # yan: That works too. :) 22.05.06 # safetydan: I remember a custom build of Rasher that had this 22.05.16 Join webguest32 [0] (n=43536512@labb.contactor.se) 22.05.44 Quit webguest32 (Client Quit) 22.06.02 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m77.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.06.37 # XavierGr, if you could dig up the patch I can look at comitting it, otherwise I'll look at adding file properties after I get cut/copy/paste done 22.07.08 # ok 22.07.34 # safetydan: wee ! 22.07.34 Quit webguest74 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.07.37 # though I never encountered that patch. I just remember the reference in rasher's page 22.07.45 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c219099.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.08.32 # uh oh... copy seems to corrupt the file... 22.08.45 # doh! :o 22.08.54 Quit Febs () 22.09.00 # or not... actually it just copies a 0 byte file 22.09.54 # I wonder why gcc didn't warn me about using a bool as an int? 22.10.56 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 22.11.47 # so, it's an "SigmaTel STMP 3510 chipset" 22.12.22 # the ipod shuffle uses that i think. 22.12.46 # what is an dsp? 22.12.59 # digital signal processor 22.13.04 Join tommo [0] (n=tommo@ACD4B063.ipt.aol.com) 22.13.36 # so it's not the cpu? 22.13.41 Nick tommo is now known as erus` (n=tommo@ACD4B063.ipt.aol.com) 22.14.08 # safetydan: forget it, I can't find the custom build of rasher. So I am not sure about the patch. 22.14.11 # it's both. 22.15.15 Join Farpnut [0] (n=solo84@cm58.sigma6.maxonline.com.sg) 22.15.38 Join virtualball2 [0] (n=virtualb@ACA8C689.ipt.aol.com) 22.16.02 # so, to answer Bagder's question the data sheet says "The on-chip DSP core is modeled exactly after the Motorola DSP56004." 22.16.18 # btw: if you like i can mail it to you 22.16.44 # if you want a serious porting effort, you should gather info like that in a wiki page on rockbox.org 22.16.55 # but what about the CPU parts 22.17.08 # ? 22.17.51 # Is motorola better than ti (regarding doc availability)? 22.18.37 # http://www.freescale.com/files/dsp/doc/inactive/DSP56004.pdf 22.18.42 # it looks like that ;-) 22.18.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 22.19.23 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.20.31 # is the cpu part of the dsp? 22.21.02 # not likely 22.21.08 # it probably has a cpu core and a dsp core 22.22.42 # http://www.sigmatel.com/products/portable/audio/stmp3500.asp 22.24.05 # in fact 22.24.16 # it seems to not really have any cpu part 22.25.03 # i can't read this data sheet, havn't the knowledge yet 22.25.09 # check the schematics drawing here => http://www.sigmatel.com/documents/MP3%20Hard%20Disk%20Drive%20Solution%20brief%205-25-05.pdf 22.25.45 # okay, then it's clear why i can't find it 22.25.59 # hehe, yes 22.26.27 # The iPod shuffle has the STMP3550, but that doesn't help anyone... 22.26.36 # lol 22.26.46 # the 3550 is likely very similar 22.26.48 # i have an STMP3510 22.26.53 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-94.VIC.netspace.net.au) 22.26.56 # but the site doesn't explain any differences 22.27.08 # yes the data sheet is writen for STMP35xx ;-) 22.27.11 # I haven't looked, but the IPL wiki says there is no gcc for those Motorola DSPs 22.27.39 # I noticed that too 22.27.40 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m77.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.27.46 # oh 22.27.55 Quit Moos (Connection reset by peer) 22.28.11 # So step one will be to add support to gcc.... 22.28.45 # and dissassembly will be harder... 22.28.52 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m77.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.29.39 # "The device has a Harvard architecture, allowing dual data moves combined with concurrent arithmetic operations such as multiplies and accumulates, which really means that it?s possible to approach high throughputs. " 22.29.46 # okay, that is to difficult for me because in school in assembler we are the CALL and RET commands... 22.30.15 # so i can't write an compailer 22.30.20 # that mention on the arch is here => http://www.embedded.com/1999/9904/9904sr.htm 22.30.46 # well 22.31.06 # the Neuros hackers used to use a "demo" license for their compiler for the TI chip 22.31.14 # 30 days ;-) 22.32.23 # it is quite clearly a major undertaking to hack one of those 22.33.28 # I have no idea how the cut/copy/paste patch worked before. The file descriptors in the copy weren't opened with write flags. 22.33.55 Quit Farpe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.35.21 # i think i don't have the time to do all in 30 days 22.35.48 # and we don't even know if there is a 30 day opportunity for his 22.35.50 # this 22.35.52 # hello 22.36.02 # Slasheri: any news on the tagcache thing? 22.37.04 Nick virtualball2 is now known as virtualball (n=virtualb@ACA8C689.ipt.aol.com) 22.37.11 # t0mas: did you noticed like in the potuguesh update you made, top comment isn't really good 22.37.25 # cause the master file is the english .lang 22.37.43 Part Paul_The_Nerd 22.37.52 # oops 22.38.17 # not drama, just in case you did'nt noticed 22.38.41 # and why don't translate that header in portughuesh too? :) 22.38.52 # ghehe 22.38.55 # ask nobelium 22.39.04 Quit Matze41 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.39.07 # I don't speak portughees 22.39.08 # well 22.39.15 # hehe :) 22.39.16 # since it was commented 22.39.23 # hi nobelium 22.39.23 # I thought the compiler would dismiss it 22.39.28 # hey :) 22.39.54 # you can translate it too 22.39.55 # is the bootloader for Rockbox ANY different for iPL? 22.40.18 # alright 22.40.24 # nobelium: but don't forget english .lang is the master file 22.40.38 # nop, used that file to translate :) 22.41.07 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484CE4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.42.07 # virtualball: What do you mean? 22.42.19 Quit Matze41 (Client Quit) 22.42.31 Join Matze41 [0] (i=Miranda@p5484CE4F.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.43.02 Quit Matze41 (Client Quit) 22.44.42 # i mean, can i use the video-bootloader.bin (it hink) for the loader.bin for iPL? 22.45.47 # im scared, ya know when you restart the iPod theres the apple...theres been an apple for 2 min....hahaha 22.45.50 Quit erus` (Remote closed the connection) 22.46.56 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 22.46.59 # t0mas: w00t 5min40 sec, fasty more and more :) 22.47.06 # Yes, the Rockbox bootloader can load ipodlinux. But you don't follow the ipodlinux instructions when installing it. 22.47.09 # faslty even 22.47.11 Join Chamois [0] (n=Florian@bro67-3-82-231-134-112.fbx.proxad.net) 22.47.18 # Moos: and for the next 2 we will be even faster 22.47.23 # new server from amiconn comming up 22.47.31 # linuxstb_, i dont? 22.47.35 # hehe, that sound good 22.49.10 # virtualball: You will need to repartion your ipod to add a small (e.g. 64MB) Linux ext2 partition, copy the IPL userland files to that partition, and then put a linux kernel (called linux.bin) in the root of your FAT32 partition. 22.49.30 # thats it? 22.49.52 # Yes. 22.50.00 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-77-168.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.50.30 # all i need to do is basically install rockbox...make an new partition, put ipod userland in it and a linux kenel in FAT32 and im done? 22.50.35 # This is trivial to do from Linux, but almost impossible to do it you're using Windows or Mac OS X. 22.50.45 # ya lol 22.51.03 # cant i just do mv linux.bin /dev/disk1s2? 22.51.08 # from mac? 22.51.30 # It's the "set up a linux partition and put the userland in it" that's not sos trivial 22.52.06 # oh no i got an mbr from someone that has 3 partitions...empty, FAT32, and a 128 MB linux one :-D 22.52.13 Nick DT291 is now known as DreamTactix291 (n=DreamTac@adsl-32-194-202.bna.bellsouth.net) 22.52.46 # virtualball: You still need to format the linux partition as ext2 and copy the files to it. 22.52.48 # Moos: 5 min 31 sec. 22.52.55 # :-) 22.53.03 # i'd say ext3 is a better idea.. 22.53.11 # next one will be even faster 22.53.14 # amiconn is helping now 22.53.26 # maybe you will have other server if Chamois can help 22.53.30 # how do i format it? 22.53.52 # From a linux computer... 22.53.58 # i have ubuntu 22.54.11 # like what would the command be? 22.54.20 # There are instructions for installing from Linux on the IPL wiki. 22.54.31 # It has all the command-lines (I can't remember them) 22.54.45 # ok thanks 22.55.22 # can ubuntu mount a fat32 drive (never used it /w my iPod) 22.55.31 # Yes 22.55.46 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-3644d695f87447bb) 22.55.52 # ok cool 22.56.51 Quit webguest07 ("CGI:IRC") 22.58.07 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 23.02.19 Join lImbus [0] (n=MDJ@port-212-202-8-13.dynamic.qsc.de) 23.03.54 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.05.39 Quit virtualball ("virtualball has no reason") 23.06.43 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F02C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.07.42 Quit paugh ("Leaving") 23.09.01 Quit Chamois (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The dawn of a new IRC era") 23.09.38 Join paugh [0] (n=kickback@2001:5c0:8fff:ffff:8000:0:3e03:6822) 23.09.46 Join TCK- [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-255-205.dsl.pipex.com) 23.12.27 # Good night all 23.12.31 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox!") 23.13.30 # nano users might be interested in this WPS/theme. i can navigate it without crashing my car :) http://forums.ipodhacks.com/showthread.php?threadid=1376 23.14.24 Join skwad [0] (n=d5e40056@labb.contactor.se) 23.14.37 # cut/copy/paste patch now has directory support, but it's only been lightly tested 23.14.39 # hi everybody 23.14.40 Nick x1jmp is now known as obstjaeger (n=x1jmp@p549F02C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.14.49 # if someone else could please review the patch and see if I've got anything wrong 23.14.58 # I know there's some concerns about code size 23.15.10 Part LinusN 23.15.10 # anyway 23.15.17 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/3033 23.15.18 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 23.15.21 # if you want I could test it on my sim 23.16.14 Join tucoz [0] (n=50ca648c@labb.contactor.se) 23.16.51 # tucos you're connecting from the job right ? 23.17.00 # t0mas: should the utf-8 marker be on top of the portugues file? 23.17.06 # youre working late :S 23.17.09 # skwad: no, at home right now 23.17.24 # I didn't bother to start xchat 23.17.26 # ;) 23.17.33 # I thought you had the labb.contactor.se only at job 23.17.43 # Bagder: The errno fix causes build problems on cygwin for the sdl sim... 23.17.52 # :-/ 23.18.18 # The problem is that /usr/include/errno.h includes 23.18.33 # ..which doesn't exist for mingw32 23.18.48 # ..and I can't just check for !defined(WIN32) 23.18.59 # skwad: No, I am simply not that picky on the irc-client I use 23.18.59 # ..since it *is* not defined for the SDL sim 23.19.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.19.56 # t0mas: I just saw that markun had removed a similar marker in another lang-file some time ago. 23.21.51 # hmm... 23.24.49 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@hirenshah.plus.com) 23.25.23 Part hshah ("Leaving") 23.25.59 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 23.27.25 Part tucoz 23.27.28 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 23.29.08 Join Shadowarrior13 [0] (i=Shadowar@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 23.31.20 Quit Genre9mp3 () 23.32.03 Quit TCK- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.32.14 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 23.33.03 # kkurbjun: Did you say you have a version of Doom that should now work on the iPod without increasing the plugin buffer size? 23.33.45 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 23.33.57 Quit Aditya ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.34.10 Quit lodesi ("Leaving") 23.34.16 Join Aditya [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 23.34.43 Join sunlord [0] (n=sunlord@a217-118-58-177.bluecom.no) 23.35.19 # quick Q.. is there any way to play .flac of my G2 ipod? 23.37.22 # You mean a Second Generation iPod? 23.38.27 Quit yan ("leaving") 23.38.55 # linuxstb, yes 23.39.48 # How can I find out which predefined macros exist for a specific gcc? 23.40.25 # Rockbox doesn't yet run on anything earlier than a fourth generation iPod. Someone is working on a third generation port, and from there, it should be relatively easy to support the first/second generations. 23.41.08 # nice :) 23.41.37 # Can you help? 23.42.01 # with development? no 23.42.15 # i'm just a happy listener ;) 23.43.25 # Found a nice command line doing what I want :) 23.43.35 # gcc -E -dM - < /dev/null 23.44.01 Quit Aditya ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 23.45.24 Join Aditya [0] (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 23.45.54 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.46.05 # Bagder: What do you think would be better: 23.46.33 # enable the workaround for linux only, or disable the workaround for cygwin and mingw32 ? 23.47.10 # beh 23.47.44 # amiconn: What about other platforms? 23.48.10 # That's what I don't know... 23.49.28 # I've tried compiling SDL sim in Mac OS, but it's going to take a little work. I haven't really spent that much time on it. I think markun is trying the same with freebsd. 23.50.03 # hallo all 23.58.05 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer))