--- Log for 09.03.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 3 days and 23 hours ago 00.00.05 # What do you think of the changes I made to the tables? The booktabs stuff? I think it looks cleaner than the old spreadsheet like tables. 00.01.03 # looks great 00.01.16 # i've never used booktabs before, looked just great for the manuakl 00.01.48 # Yes, and it's easy to add 'cells' with several lines. That is a pain without booktabs 00.02.01 # indeed 00.02.13 # \multirow *shivers* 00.02.20 Quit asraniel_ ("Konversation terminated!") 00.03.10 # looks nice 00.03.20 # hmm an1 got a sec please ? i need help with ipod bootloader code 00.04.03 # what is your prob 00.05.03 # /* Check for a keypress */ i=key_pressed(); if ((i!=BUTTON_MENU) && (i!=BUTTON_PLAY)) { lcd_puts(0, line, "Loading Rockbox..."); 00.05.20 # can i replace taht by 00.05.21 # if ((i==BUTTON_MENU) || (i==BUTTON_PLAY)) 00.05.34 # to load apple by default 00.05.50 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.05.51 # to make RB load on keypress i mean 00.05.53 # if i see yes 00.06.26 # make a test than you know ;) 00.06.34 Quit imphasing ("reboot!") 00.07.17 # indeed :) 00.07.37 Quit Henrico ("BitchX: No windows left!") 00.07.39 # nls, I am off to bed. Looking forward to committing your changes :) 00.07.44 # * lostlogic develops theories of ipod i2c driver improvement but isn't brave enough to try them out yet 00.08.09 # gotta get those pics :( 00.08.32 # lostlogic: did you do some profiling today, or was that meant for the weekend? 00.08.35 # tucoz :i do it at the moment 00.08.55 # youngcereal, what do you do? 00.09.08 # preglow: I was meaning to do it last night, but ended up going out drinking instead so maybe tonight :-P 00.09.21 # an altogether wiser choice 00.09.25 # write a new i2c and pcf50605/6 code 00.10.22 # nls, as the manual is very much WIP, we could (for the time being) accept changes that are not really fit for the final product. 00.10.41 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 00.11.37 # Just to get things moving forward. 00.11.46 # preglow: i2c is still a major part of our problem though, it's so painful to see the audio thread drop each time the clock is read. 00.11.47 # good night 00.11.56 # compiling it atm, hope my ipod wont burn :/ 00.12.00 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 00.12.22 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 00.12.42 # anyone running on an ipod mini? 00.13.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.14.55 # im not 00.15.20 # lostlogic: ugh 00.15.24 # 5h here 00.15.26 # lostlogic: that big a problem, eh 00.15.29 # 5g* 00.16.46 # preglow: yeah, it's ugly -- and I can see things in the driver that the PP5020 obviously supports, but I'm not brave/smart enough to try and implement them 00.17.28 # hmm 00.17.38 Quit nls ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.18.07 # my horse for docs 00.18.20 # burst reading for instance -- each time we want to read a byte from a device, we say "send device addr, send byte addr, send device addr, read byte" for _each_ byte 00.18.47 # burst reading only works if you can read for consecutive addresses, though, does it support that? 00.19.10 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 00.19.19 # preglow: it supports it for writing and the IPL folks seem to have it coded for writes. 00.19.23 # preglow: so I'm betting it does for reads 00.19.27 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@66.28.245.154) 00.19.34 # and RTC is a 7 byte sequential read so ... 00.21.10 # nicety 00.21.12 # ahh 00.21.52 # i really need to get my shit together and start some disassembling 00.24.04 Join lods [0] (i=anonym@217-162-236-181.dclient.hispeed.ch) 00.24.14 # If my reading of the code is right (probably not) after a write, the i2c is set back to read mode which I'm sure is for a reason, but I'm guessing causes the next access to have to wait for some kind of timeout before it gets to go 00.24.28 # which would explain why there wasn't really a problem with i2c until both RTC and battery are enabled 00.25.01 # because battery reads every 1/2s and RTC every 1s so once a second they both try to read and one hits a timeout 00.25.04 # (this is all just guesses) 00.25.10 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-a5022edab9dd3298) 00.26.16 # sounds likely enough, though 00.27.09 # I think I'm going to ignore I2C and try profiling today because I don't need the frustration :-P 00.27.26 # haha 00.27.37 # at least that might lead to something i can do something about, so hooray for that 00.27.51 # hehe 00.27.55 # do you have the retailos available for disassembling? 00.27.59 # sure 00.28.10 # messing too much about with hardware i don't know occasionally makes me want to leap off cliffs 00.28.54 # it certainly does sound like a nightmare 00.32.03 # i bet disassembling retailos is that too, so my future certainly does not look bright 00.33.03 # oh, no doubt, but at least with that, it's rigidly defined areas of nightmare and not completely unknown 00.33.08 Quit imphasing ("Another test...PLEASE GOD WORK.") 00.33.29 # or maybe not, I don't actually know anything about it 00.33.31 # adequate point 00.35.08 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 00.37.48 # the mp3 decoder is fixed point based on rb firmware? 00.38.42 # what? 00.38.47 # the mp3 decoder is fixed point, yes 00.38.51 # but not based on anything 00.38.53 # it's just libmad 00.39.29 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.39.33 # I think it was "is fixed point based" and then "on rb firmware" 00.39.58 # yeah, not "is fixed point, based on rb" :) 00.40.12 # yeah, i know but not all 00.41.30 Quit Farpenoodle (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.44.15 # just got round to giving rockbox a spin on my new ipod 00.44.18 # good work guys ;) 00.49.49 # ipod 5g? 00.49.54 # yeah 00.50.03 # i returned my h10 that i bricked, and they dont supply iriver hardware anymore 00.50.07 # i wanna see one of those things, the display size arouses me in ways i shouldn't be 00.50.12 # heh 00.50.13 # yeah 00.50.18 # i was slightly aroused by the display 00.50.26 # until my girlfriend reminded me that im not a total nutcase ;\ 00.50.51 Join virtualball2 [0] (n=virtualb@ACAB07EF.ipt.aol.com) 00.51.22 # running doom in original resolution and all 00.51.25 # sounds like a hoot 00.51.28 # heh 00.51.42 # full screen snes emu would make me wet my pants. 00.51.48 # oh god, yes 00.51.52 # hmmmmm 00.51.54 # continuously 00.52.04 # can the iPL original bootloader boot the rockbox.iPod file? 00.52.05 # super mario world, over and over again 00.52.14 # with a usb controller :D 00.52.15 # arh, super mario kart! 00.52.18 # haha 00.52.21 # pilotwings! 00.52.27 # that'd at least be controllable on an ipod 00.52.29 # then final fantasy 6 until i grow tired of living 00.52.30 # coob: :D that would be amazing! 00.52.39 # * coob stops dreaming 00.52.43 # Well, technically the snes supported 512x448, it was just rare that it was used 00.52.50 # i get this sudden urge for a case of beer and a snes with super mario kart 00.52.56 # heh 00.53.00 # that's a good night in, if you ask me preglow 00.53.02 # lol 00.53.10 # oh, indeed, at least with good company 00.53.14 # yeah 00.53.19 # battle mode > * 00.53.31 # 4way battle mode on a projecter is the win 00.53.50 # coob, did you help on Front Row? Cuz its weird thatit would be named after an appl product :\ 00.53.52 # projectors aren't that expensive anymore... 00.53.56 # naw 00.54.09 # my housemate picked up one on ebay for like 200quid 00.54.14 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.54.17 # ghah 00.54.20 # virtualball2: um what? 00.54.34 # are you the Coob from iPod Linux? 00.54.37 # god knows if i'd ever go outside again if i got a projector 00.54.40 # yes. 00.54.42 # heh 00.54.47 # probably just for beer, pizza and cigarettes 00.54.50 # well on the forum, isn' 00.54.55 # no, let's not speculate on that 00.54.56 # hmm 00.54.57 # cigarettes. 00.55.17 # t it said that front row is hotdog, or hotdog is a version of Front Row 00.55.36 # *sigh* here we go again :P 00.56.19 # Well Front Row is an application from Apple, it runs iTubnes and views pictures from a remote on your computer 00.56.35 # erm no 00.56.39 # virtualball2: no. 00.56.41 # hotdog is a gfx compositing engine 00.56.55 # it's demo is just an imitation of the front row interface 00.56.58 # virtualball2: there's a hotdog demo app that spins around 4 png files 00.57.05 # (that are frontrow icons.) 00.57.10 # ya i know but i thought thatr on the forum somewhere someone said it was a type of Front Row 00.57.31 # dont believe everything you read on the internet virtualball2 ;) 00.57.34 # forum < bathroom wall writings 00.57.46 # BHSPitMonkey, that would be the reason why someone would think that it was Front Row, thanks 00.57.49 # jhahaha 00.57.54 # hahaha 00.57.57 # virtualball2: since when does anyone on the forums know *anything* 00.58.19 # hahaha true 00.58.30 # ok enough of me looking stupid (again)/iPL on rockbox forums :P 00.58.45 # *IRC chat not forums 00.58.57 Quit webguest39 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 01.00.41 # is there anything special i must do to do a complete data backup for my ipod? 01.01.00 # not really 01.01.06 # or just drag and drop everything form my iPod root, to another drive 01.01.08 # just backup yourf iles 01.01.10 # it's just a hard disk, basically 01.01.15 # yea, good 01.01.24 # are you repartitioning or formatting anything? 01.01.32 # repartitioning 01.01.38 # for iPL or something? 01.01.38 # im installing the iPL bootloader 01.01.41 # yes 01.01.43 # ahh 01.01.45 # why? 01.01.50 # i want to try it 01.01.50 # (just wondering) 01.01.55 # btw, why can't linux boot from fat? 01.02.01 Join earHertz [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-30-242-135.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 01.02.04 # preglow: umm, because it can? 01.02.06 # and the fact that it supports rockbox also, was the seller 01.02.18 # preglow, it can... 01.02.23 # DrumRBoy320: the rockbox loader supports linux... that's a seller too. 01.02.25 # BHSPitLappy: then what's with the mandatory repartitioning to ext2 when installing ipl? 01.02.31 # whoah 01.02.33 # seriously? 01.02.38 # without repartitioning? 01.02.38 # seriously. 01.02.51 # you still need a linux partition for the filesystem itself 01.02.55 # but not for the bootloader 01.03.05 # i think what preglow means is, why cant ipl boot off of a fat fs 01.03.09 # public advice: don't trust BHSPitLappy 01.03.18 # and the answer, probably, is that it hasnt been compiled into the kernel 01.03.21 # just continue using the rockbox bootloader and have the daily kernel in FAT named linux.bin 01.03.21 # i did say 'linux', not 'bootloader' 01.03.25 # yeah 01.03.27 # well... tell ya the truth, i like the graphical bootloader with iPL 01.03.33 # unless thats possible... 01.03.33 # im with you preglow, but im spelling it out in big shiny fucking neon letters 01.03.38 # crashd: eh nope, linux just doesn't like fat fs's as its root partition 01.03.43 # preglow: linux does BOOT from the loader, but the actual filesystem of the OS has to be on a linux partition. 01.03.47 # why? BHSPitMonkey helped me a lot, and made fun of me, but eh it nuturalizes :P 01.03.52 # coob: it isnt the best idea, sure, but it can do it 01.03.53 # argh 01.04.00 # i was just answering the questions ;\ 01.04.04 # virtualball2: learn to spell, imbecile! 01.04.06 # ;) 01.04.13 # hahaha 01.04.14 # are you talking about umsdos? 01.04.18 # * preglow hands BHSPitLappy his monocle back 01.04.27 # oh im sorry *hahajshahad 01.04.29 # * amiconn also wonders why linux doesn't run from a FAT root fs 01.04.29 # thanks, I don't know why that always falls out. 01.04.41 # lol 01.04.45 # amiconn: because FAT SUCKS, and linux is just too good for it. 01.05.00 # I mean, what holds it from doing so, at least when permissions aren't important? 01.05.25 # perhaps it can't doesn't understand that init can be run without an exec flag :> 01.05.26 # they are, and why not just google the subject 01.05.37 Quit ender` (" Just when you get really good at something, you don't need to do it any more.") 01.05.40 # preglow: on a fat partition, everything is considered executable 01.05.59 # e.g. running iDoom on iPL from the fat part. 01.06.00 # if you use umsdos, unix permissions can be emulated on fat, so it shouldn't be impossible to setup 01.06.07 # * preglow shudders 01.06.13 # heh 01.06.13 # umsdos still exists? 01.06.35 # hell if i know, don't know anyone insane enough to use it :) 01.06.37 Join pmpbreaker [0] (n=5139c61c@labb.contactor.se) 01.06.39 # i remember i used that once when i tried linux out the first time, around five thousand years ago 01.06.45 # hello 01.06.46 # heh 01.06.53 # umsdos was on the first slackware cd i ever tried 01.06.59 # when i was about 13 01.07.02 # yeah, that'd be what i was doing as well 01.07.08 # very possible around that age 01.07.12 # one of those impossible to setup, totally useless installations 01.07.27 # i remember thinking a multitasking text mode os was the coolest thing ever to hit the earth 01.07.32 # heh 01.07.51 # then promptly went on and didn't use it 01.08.02 Quit muesli__ (Success) 01.08.06 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.08.08 # yeah 01.08.12 # good old days 01.08.14 # ; ) 01.08.17 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.09.13 # haha 01.09.33 # i didn't even bloody own a computer then 01.09.43 # programming basic, i was 01.09.45 # for info, the PMP-100 from iriver has been rooted on serial link. I got the cross dev toolchain from cadenux. I have compiled and ran succesfully a "hello world" program. I have successfully compiled and ran the kernel. I have successfully modified the fs image. Now, do you think it is possible to port rockbox to the PMP ? Somebody of your dev team could help ? 01.09.49 # the days can't have been very good 01.10.05 # heh 01.10.12 # pmpbreaker: sure it's possible 01.10.16 # did i hear that the rockbox loader supports ipl out the box? 01.10.18 # pmpbreaker: but doesn't it use a ti dsp core? 01.10.20 # or was that just heresay 01.10.24 # crashd: yeah 01.10.35 # earHertz: : yes, the DM270 why ? 01.10.37 # crashd: you keep the kernel on your fat32 part 01.10.55 # pmpbreaker: i'm over here 01.11.22 # pmpbreaker: problem with that is: 1. ti are assholes, 2. no compiler 01.11.34 # preglow yes :) there is a problem on tab managment in the web irc :) 01.11.40 # so there are going to be problems in making it do anything worthwhile 01.12.01 # preglow : no compiler for what ? the DSP code ? 01.12.14 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.13.16 # pmpbreaker: yeah, how fast is the arm core on it? 01.13.20 # preglow: hmm? you work at TI? 01.13.35 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 01.13.43 # BHSPitLappy: i'm the head asshole 01.13.48 # awesome 01.13.48 # preglow : 80MHz I think... maybe enough for mp3 playing ? 01.13.51 # you live in Texas, then? 01.14.12 # no, norway, ti try to install one asshole in every country 01.14.40 # pmpbreaker: that should do, yeah 01.14.51 # pmpbreaker: that's basically more than our ipod port is using 01.15.05 # preglow : ok 01.15.21 # depends on cache and iram, obviously, but is possible 01.15.37 # * amiconn has a working oscilloscope.rock on his H140 :) 01.15.39 # preglow : what is iram ? 01.15.44 # preglow: Norway is populated with assholes then? 01.15.45 # pmpbreaker: fast internal chip ram 01.15.45 # :) 01.15.53 # imphasing: truly and certainly 01.16.08 # I want to go there.. 01.16.18 # Anywhere besides the Americas, really. 01.16.19 # preglow : ok... i don't think there is some on the DM270 (based on kernel config) 01.16.23 # we breed the finest assholes in the world 01.16.26 # hehehe 01.16.50 # pmpbreaker: i don't think the kernel config deals too much with that 01.17.11 # time to make profiling work on ARM, whee! 01.17.35 # pmpbreaker : ok 01.17.46 # pmpbreaker: now you're just being silly 01.18.46 # backing up 40 gigs is a pain 01.19.05 # be glad you can spend some quality time with your data 01.19.20 # Wee, oscilloscope working on H300 as well :) 01.19.21 # lol :) 01.19.21 # I don't have many time to discuss now. I am in vacation soon. I think I will work a bit around the PMP, learn a bit more about embedded architecture... and I think I or sby else will come back here to discuss about a possible port. 01.19.36 # amiconn: new plugin api functions? 01.19.36 # i really need a new h300 battery 01.19.39 # good bye and thank you :) 01.19.45 # pmpbreaker: you're welcome 01.19.51 Quit pmpbreaker ("CGI:IRC") 01.20.22 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 01.23.54 # preglow: no, why? 01.24.35 # preglow: your good friend flac overflows iram with profiling :( 01.25.18 # lostlogic: happy happy joy 01.25.21 # lostlogic: with how much? 01.26.53 # don't know a good way to tell how much 01.27.09 # hmm, no, me neither 01.27.17 # well 01.27.36 # a quick and good fix would be just making arm.S put its stuff in .text, not icode 01.27.53 # arm code size is probably one of the things i hate the most about it 01.28.14 # i'm pretty sure code density would be decent if just gcc stopped acting the fool 01.28.26 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h136n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 01.28.37 # ahah, GCC's gotta be stupid about _something_ (many things?) on every arch ;) 01.28.39 # I'm tryng to compile the manual. Configure creates the makefile, but when I run make, I get the following error: make:/cygdrive/c/manual/platform: no such file or directory. Any suggestions as to what I'm doing wrong? 01.28.54 # lostlogic: it's decent on x86, but there it makes up for it by being buggy 01.29.42 # Febs: what does the manual dir contain? anything? 01.29.46 # :) bagh, moving arm.S to text didn't do it... wtf. 01.30.45 # lostlogic: weird... if iram was stuffed before i did my arm.S commit, it should have barfed completely when i did 01.31.17 # There is manual directory at that location. I've copied the manual source from CVS to cvs/rockbox/manual. When I run configure, it asks me for a path, and I put in the correct path. 01.31.55 # moving decode_subframe_lpc out of IRAM made enough space 01.32.17 # Febs: i mean, what's in the manual/ dir? 01.32.54 # Febs: wait, you've made a build dir and all, i take it+ 01.33.00 # Yes. 01.34.00 # My build directory is cvs/rockbox/h300 01.34.01 # i just tried it today, but when i do make, a manual/ dir is created in the build dir, containing what looks to be a new copy of the root manual/ dir 01.34.29 Quit imphasing ("Changing server") 01.35.17 # does it get that far? 01.35.29 # i don't really know if anyone's tried building the manual with cygwin 01.35.32 # amiconn? 01.35.41 # I did it successfully about a month ago. 01.35.45 # right 01.35.50 # I did today, it worked 01.36.17 # preglow: Why did you ask about plugin api fns? 01.36.33 # amiconn: just wondering how you get your hands on the decoded audio data 01.37.06 # I suspect that this is the step my problem starts. When I run ../tools/configure from my build directory, I get the message "This script couldn't find your source code root directory. Please enter the full path to the source code directory here:" 01.37.08 # The same way as oscillograph does it - rb->pcm_calculate_peaks() 01.37.15 # I don't remember that from last time I did this. 01.37.22 # amiconn: that gets peak data, not audio data, no? 01.37.27 # yep 01.37.47 # then it's not exactly what i'd call an oscilloscope 01.38.13 # Febs: most probably 01.38.16 # That's true, however, the same way oscillograph isn't a real oscillograph either 01.38.49 # h1x0 display is almost certainly too slow for an oscilloscope anyway 01.38.56 # is the h3x0 display noticably slow? 01.39.13 # oscilloscope.rock is basically just oscillograph.rock, just scrolling horizontally (in software) instead of vertically 01.39.39 # the nano display has no lag/trails at all that i can see 01.39.51 # It has no speed adjustment (yet), but it allows to adjust volume while running 01.40.38 # I plan to combine both scroll directions into one plugin (in software, so it works on all targets) 01.40.59 # Now if there was a working user timer on iPod... 01.41.12 # hehe 01.41.18 # ok, i should fix that 01.41.20 # The H300 lcd isn't slow. 01.41.38 # a user timer shouldn't be too hard 01.42.02 # The framebuffer access is slow though, and taking that into account, oscilloscope works really well 01.42.12 # I don't see a problem of it running on iPod. 01.42.32 # Maybe the 5G will have slight problems because of the huge lcd 01.43.00 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.43.12 # Currently I don't use a timer 01.43.19 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 01.43.37 # however, i don't know how accurate it'll be. user timer specifies interval in cycles of the base clock, yes? 01.43.57 # ..but fiddle with sleep(), yield() and current_tick to throttle scrolling 01.44.05 # yes 01.44.13 # one 24mhz cycle is 41 nanosecs, and afaik, ipods timers are 1usec precision 01.44.38 # If the timer base on iPod is microseconds, we should use a separate define instead 01.45.18 # i use timer1 now in that way, and it works as it should, so unless there's some alternatie way of configuring the timer, it looks like usec is what we've got 01.45.53 # #ifdef (..ipod..) 01.45.58 # :/ 01.46.04 # #define TIMER_FREQ 1000000 01.46.06 # #else 01.46.11 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp83-adsl-48.ath.forthnet.gr) 01.46.14 # #define TIMER_FREQ CPU_FREQ 01.46.16 # #endif 01.46.20 # yeah, that'd do, i guess 01.46.39 # should do very nicely, as a matter of fact 01.47.02 # With a user timer it should be possible to port the grayscale lib to <=4g grayscale 01.47.05 # i'll see if i can fit it in tomorrow, shouldn't be a big task at all 01.47.34 # then perhaps i'll try porting backlight fading as well 01.47.40 # Quite a lot of work though, the lib is currently quite dependent on vertical packed lcd data 01.48.05 # ...and for speed some arm asm will be necessary 01.48.17 # all the better 01.48.34 # BAGH, profiling acted like it was profiling, but the result file is nowhere to be found :( 01.49.00 # lostlogic: you created it, raised it, and this is the thanks you get? 01.49.53 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 01.50.20 # * preglow likes the colour jpeg viewer 01.50.45 Quit imphasing (Client Quit) 01.51.05 # ooh, I haven't tried the JPG viewer on IPV yet... BIG SCREEN JPGS! 01.51.16 # * preglow envies 01.51.42 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 01.52.02 # what happens when I remove the iPod_Control directory from the root of the ipod? 01.52.05 # it's bothering me. 01.52.19 # lostlogic: nothing big, unless you fancy retailos 01.52.34 # haven't booted it except in the car on the way back from the ipod store :-P 01.53.23 # in which case you'll be happy to hear it'll survive the lack of all directories without exploding 01.54.58 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.55.05 # excellent. 01.55.26 # retailos survives it too, it just recreates it 01.55.29 # preglow: is there a way to change files in the jpg viewer without zooming all the way out first? 01.55.38 # preglow: hopefully disk mode doesn't recreate it? 01.55.45 # lostlogic: select+direction 01.55.50 # disk mode does not, no 01.56.11 # yes, jpg viewing is officially cool. 01.56.17 # heh 01.56.26 # * Febs is frustrated. 01.56.36 # Febs: i know a girl in north london who can help you ... 01.56.47 # lol. 01.56.54 # haha 01.57.13 # i have this absurd craving for a 5g now 01.57.15 # it needs to stop 01.57.18 # yes, it dos 01.57.20 # eodewodwe 01.57.23 # cold finger syndrome ;\ 01.57.31 # which players do you own preglow ? 01.57.52 # h120 and nano 01.58.04 # preglow: i have the same 'craving' 01.58.12 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.58.14 # I keep getting the error that /cygdrive/c/manual/platform does not exist. I DO have a /cygwin/cvs/rockbox/manual/platform directory. 01.58.14 # the shop assistant tried to pass me off a nano as my h10 replacement 01.58.16 # preglow: just do what I do -- whether you can afford it or not, break your current audio players and you'll have to get a new one.\ 01.58.29 # lostlogic: you didn't get a new h3x0? 01.58.48 # crashd: you neutered him on the spot, i take it? 01.59.01 # i politely told him that the nano wouldn't suit my needs, but it was in my eyes 01.59.03 # im sure. 01.59.13 # preglow: I got a replacement, broken, fixed it temporarily, broke it again (power port), tried to solder it back on again, melted something, was without a player, again... I have _very_ expensive habits. 01.59.26 # so it seems 01.59.39 # i'd be very annoyed if i broke my h120 01.59.51 # preglow: yeah, H120 is a very special player, what with the optical out and all 02.00.03 # yes, quite 02.00.06 # i likes it 02.01.26 # bejeweled looks so god damned smooth 02.01.30 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.01.37 Quit fiftyfour123 ("Chatzilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 02.01.40 # i used to feal much better about my 120, until rockbox got ported to the ipod 02.02.20 # Hmph, haha! 02.02.24 # oh... I didnt' follow my own profiling instructions, so ti wasn't actually profiling. duh. one more try. 02.02.25 # me wants to add gourad shading to cube.c... 02.02.35 # gourad? 02.02.36 # oscilloscope works in the sim, but looks *really* funny 02.02.55 # where's the metaballs.c 02.02.58 # preglow, ah, cool :) 02.02.58 # that's what i want to know. 02.02.59 # I wonder whether the peak calculation uses some excessively large blocks in the sim 02.03.00 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.03.10 # preglow, then do dynamic lighting please. :) 02.03.13 # shadebobs! 02.03.18 # rotozoomer! 02.03.19 # * crashd drools 02.03.21 # stop it 02.03.28 # plenty of oldschool demo effects just waiting to be made 02.03.33 # someone should port 2nd reality 02.03.38 # haha 02.03.40 # dude 02.03.42 # blah, the build system is dumb! :/ 02.03.43 # i havent heard that name in years 02.04.38 # chessbox isn't very clever, is it... 02.07.06 # it's much better at the game than I am :( 02.07.11 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.07.34 Quit herz42 ("Und wech") 02.07.54 # it just did a very foolish opening involving the queen at the second move... 02.09.45 # good god, profiling is slow on the 5g. 02.14.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.14.50 # profiling? 02.14.50 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.14.50 # forget profiling, try backing up 40 gigs 02.14.50 # :) 02.14.50 # DrumRBoy320: ... I recently put 20G onto the ipod... didn't take too long :-P 02.14.50 DBUG Enqueued KICK DrumRBoy320 02.14.50 # well, im taking 40 off of it, and putting it onto amost likely slow HD 02.14.50 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.14.50 # not sure of the exacts but its a 160 WD i got for 50 dollars 02.14.50 *** Alert Mode level 1 02.14.50 # so... ye 02.14.50 *** Alert Mode level 2 02.14.50 # a 02.14.50 *** Alert Mode level 3 02.14.50 # * 02.14.50 *** Alert Mode level 4 02.14.50 # 160Gb 02.14.50 # lostlogic: ouch, that i2c glitch really does impact performance a bit 02.14.50 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.15.10 Quit Kohlrabi (Client Quit) 02.15.13 # but i've gotta go sleep 02.15.14 # later 02.15.19 # preglow: yes. I'm wondering if some interim fix like having rtc read at current_tick=xxx123 might make a differenct 02.15.22 # 'night 02.15.29 # hmm, yeah 02.15.40 # but a proper fix would also be nice 02.15.42 # and time consuming... 02.15.43 # but yeah 02.15.44 # night 02.16.47 # Bah, this sim crashing when it can't cope is annoying 02.24.52 *** Alert Mode OFF 02.27.43 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.27.45 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.28.54 # sonofa. the map files for arm are formatted differently or the map files on my server are different or... something. 02.29.16 Quit Febs () 02.30.33 # different arches have different map file formats. who would have thought. 02.30.43 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.42.10 # damnit. 02.42.22 # I wish I had a client that logged highlights, with context... 02.44.04 Join Kensir [0] (n=pandafus@cpe-66-87-151-238.il.sprintbbd.net) 02.48.23 Quit Kensir (Client Quit) 02.50.23 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.51.56 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 02.56.01 # hmm... wrap safe tick comparison... why? rockbox would have to be operating continuously for ~248 days at HZ=100 to wrap a signed 32 bit long. 02.56.33 # lostlogic: 8 bit adc doesn't provide better-than-centivolt resolution for a LiIon cells 02.56.36 # -s 02.57.24 # amiconn: it does when it's an 8 bit scaled to 3.0-5.4v 02.57.41 # which is one of the available modes in the pcf5060X 02.57.45 # Hmm, so iPod spreads the range? 02.57.52 # we can choose 02.57.52 # okay 02.57.53 Quit virtualball2 ("Going to watch Cube on my iPod :-P") 02.58.05 # 8 or 10 bit and subtractive or resistive read sampling circuit 02.58.11 # to get either full range or higher precision 02.58.19 # 3.0 as starting point is a bit high 02.59.01 # ya think? If it's reading < 3.0v we have no chance to spin up the disk, and we're approaching hardware shutoff... I don't see any good reason to read a value lower than that 02.59.03 # Dunno about iPod, but on iriver the battery can go below 3V with the device still running 02.59.19 # hmm 02.59.30 # I'm not against revising to 10bit full range on both devices. 03.00.57 # 10bits over a 6v range is also better than centivolt precision... and I know some people on iRiver H3x0 have complained about the lack of precision 03.05.08 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 03.05.57 # lostlogic, "improve clarity" - huh? 03.06.09 # code clarity? 03.06.50 # OMFG sex! 03.06.53 Nick Aditya|Sleep is now known as Aditya (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 03.09.34 # ...? 03.09.51 # who here has a 5G iPod? 03.09.54 # i do 03.10.12 # what OS do you use? 03.10.23 # linux and/or xp 03.10.38 # how do you convert your videos? 03.10.56 # converting videos in a pita 03.10.58 # videora's pissing me off, and I was hoping for a linux'er method 03.11.12 # BHSPitMonkey, videodora is by far the best i've found.. 03.11.21 # only thing I've found is a prorietary winmdows program 03.11.28 # videora has a tendency to work one day, and stop working the next. 03.11.40 # ummmm, ive only converted a handful using avs video converter, or some crap 03.11.45 # BHSPitLappy, you've been using it, what, 2 days?.. you'd know.. :) 03.11.49 # midkay: when I tried runnign videora, it invoked the .net commandline compiler, which freaked me out 03.11.58 # midkay: what makes you say that? 03.12.05 # So I killed it 03.12.12 # I converted videos for others' iPods before I got my 5g... 03.12.23 # earHertz, haha.. BHSPitMonkey, ah, i see ;) 03.12.36 # har. 03.12.43 # BHSPitMonkey, well, it doesn't get much better - i've tried about everything. 03.13.00 # if it stops working, why not just reinstall it? 03.14.19 # I did 03.14.37 # and? 03.14.55 # ... and if it had solved the problem, I might not be here having this conversation 03.15.02 # I'll go talk to the videolan folks... 03.15.07 # isnt videora just a frontend for avisynth and stuff? 03.15.16 # you say it "has a tendency to crash".. you've only had one crash? 03.15.27 # -crash+stop working. 03.16.30 # I never said it had a tendency to "start" working :/ 03.16.40 # videora has a tendency to work one day, and stop working the next. 03.16.50 # and my friend said it messed up on his 03.16.54 # midkay: point? 03.17.04 Join Spida_ [0] (i=Spida@p508A3A2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.17.07 # BHSPitMonkey, you only tried it once when you implied it's been stopping often. 03.17.37 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 03.17.38 # midkay: based on my friend's similar issue... 03.17.50 # I don't have a lot of faith in the software, anyway 03.18.13 # it "messed up on his", interesting.. well, good luck, i've tried apollo video converter, cucusoft video converter, "ipod movie converter", pq dvd converter, winAVI, and the xilisoft suite. 03.18.27 # all were either awfully buggy, awfully ugly and restricting, or both. 03.19.03 # i've found videodora to be great.. but i guess two bug reports are two too many for you. 03.20.33 # lol 03.24.39 # I'm guessing my ipod battery is not at 11.79v, so I probably did something wrong. 03.25.10 # Hahaha 03.25.29 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.26.49 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 03.27.05 Quit Spida (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.24 # lostlogic: The battery level code seems to work fine for nano, except the scale's off (At a full charge it reporst ~90-92%, though 0 seems pretty close to the right spot before it dies) 03.29.52 Join TiMiD[FD1 [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@asgard.valombre.net) 03.30.08 Quit TiMiD[FD] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.30.27 # Paul_The_Nerd: that's on nano, right? 03.30.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm revising per conversation above with amiconn to use a 10bit full range instead of 10 bit compressed 03.31.07 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 03.31.53 # lostlogic: Yeah, that's on Nano, not including any very recent revisions (built sometime about 14 hours ago) 03.32.30 # lostlogic: you asked who had a mini before. ive got one. 03.32.34 # 1G 03.32.41 # ScoTTie: and rockbox works on it? 03.33.15 # alright, 10-bit full range battery on ipod now. one of these days I'll do the same for H3x0 03.33.18 # i added the make support and keypad for it so it should 03.33.29 # but im not sure about keypad on 2g 03.33.48 # im pretty sure 2g's will need a different code path 03.34.29 # ScoTTie: ah, thanks! I have a buddy who wants to run it on 2g, I'll see if I can borrow his for a guinnea pig. 03.34.49 # yeah, i think the 2g uses the same code as the 4g's 03.34.59 # so it shouldnt be to hard to get it working 03.35.29 # ScoTTie: that's what it looked like. 03.36.05 # if you add support, i was thinking it should probably be done at runtime. 03.36.11 # rather than having 2 builds 03.42.20 # ScoTTie: depends what kind of changes it is, if the hardware in teh 2g is just like the ipod4g but with a different LCD, that's much easier to do at build time, I'd say... I'll look at it and see, unless someone beats me to it 03.43.03 # from what i could tell the keypad was the only major difference 03.43.20 # ok, cool. 03.43.38 # but then again, i only really looked at the keypad/lcd code in iPL so i might be wrong. 03.43.46 # yah 03.48.10 Join gracchus [0] (n=jesse@adsl-68-77-20-1.dsl.emhril.ameritech.net) 03.54.12 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 03.55.35 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 03.57.18 Join JdGordy|uni [0] (n=82c20d68@labb.contactor.se) 03.57.23 # hey all 03.57.26 # is dircache broken? 04.00.37 # no, juust wasnt starting up for some fucked up reason :p 04.00.59 Quit JdGordy|uni (Client Quit) 04.01.35 Nick JoeBorn is now known as JBorn (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 04.07.36 Quit imphasing (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.07.50 Join webguest20 [0] (n=47c30da6@labb.contactor.se) 04.10.28 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.11.38 # sorry for the TOTAL newbie question. Just installed rockbox for my iriver ihp120 searching the site for the "plug-ins" most interested in a good one to view battery life. I just can't find the .rock files to download 04.13.17 # webguest20: All official plugins are included with rockbox 04.14.04 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 04.14.06 # oh... heh.. I looked everywhere but the player... heh like I said, a total newbie. 04.14.08 # thanks 04.14.16 # (now to explore) 04.24.55 Join Kilohurt [0] (n=hifi-@c-67-177-241-134.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 04.25.44 # what version of GCC do you guys recommend to compile rockbox for the Ipod Nano CPUs ? 04.27.51 # 4.0.x is I believe the current recommended 04.27.58 # ahh okay 04.28.10 # I went with 4.0.2 04.39.59 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.40.38 Quit webguest20 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.53.25 Quit RotAtoR () 04.53.57 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 05.01.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB7772B.ipt.aol.com) 05.03.29 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 05.05.55 Quit imphasing (Client Quit) 05.08.27 # anyone here use VLC? :P 05.09.57 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.10.00 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 05.19.57 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.30 # me.. 05.22.38 Quit gracchus ("bye") 05.26.29 Join SlaytanicLemmy [0] (n=422adcb7@labb.contactor.se) 05.28.15 # Quick IPOD question...I just read that the CPU runs at a constant 75mhz. Is there any reason to believe that using RB extensively will reduce the lifetime of the hardware components (other than more rapidly draining the battery)? 05.29.34 # there's only one way to find out! 05.30.36 # it shouldnt, but like coob suggested we dont know :) 05.32.48 # do standard users have the ability to set priorities, does anyone know? i see a few medium level ones that should really be closed (ipod-related, mostly), and i'm wondering if a dev bumped up the priority or if it's just the user messing around. 05.33.07 # on flyspray, that is ^ 05.33.29 # on our old flyspray (ipl's not rb's) only admins could close 05.33.45 # coob, it's not closing i'm asking about, it's priority. 05.34.08 # oh 05.34.12 # only if you opened it 05.34.21 # opened/created 05.34.25 # that's nuts.. 05.34.41 # well then, flyspray is open source, fix it... 05.34.53 # i don't really like it 05.34.57 # trac is the daddy. 05.35.24 # coob, i know nothing about flyspray.. and i wouldn't fix it if i did.. i just think it's pretty stupid, letting the submitter decide how important his suggestion is.. 05.35.48 # well, admins can change it after 05.35.57 # if you're not cool enough to be an admin, thats not flysprays problem! 05.36.12 # i think there may be a level between admin and normal user, can't remember 05.36.14 # (1) can the users not change it back? (2) that's not fixing the problem of them raising it in the first place. 05.36.27 # and, i'm in the developer category, so i can close/modify requests. 05.36.41 # well, then you should be able to modify the priority.. 05.36.49 # i've not used flyspray in like a year 05.36.57 # it's the fact that i need to because people think that their "make rockbox prettier" requests are important when some stuff's not even working 05.37.23 # I dunno. It seems that sometimes there's a valid reason for a user to try to set priority (like if it's a bug that causes harm to the player itself) but in general, it seems like you're putting an awful lot of trust into peoples' hands. 05.37.56 # imo, it's like making commit access public.. let the users delete/change whatever they want, we'll just have to fix it each time.. 05.38.12 # not quite as major, but.. :) 05.38.14 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 05.39.17 # if it's something really major they should probably put URGENT in the subject and/or mail the list and/or come on irc.. but i think (hope! :E) that changes are tested a bit before they're checked in :) 05.39.56 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-046e48a274fbd276) 05.40.06 # I think that Feature Requests should never be able to go above Medium (or even Low), at least 05.40.22 # Paul_The_Nerd, maybe that's how it is - i'm only seeing increased priorities as medium.. 05.40.32 # Hrm 05.40.34 # and i'm surprised that there are so few that have been raised by the user.. 05.40.34 # Dunno 05.40.44 # or perhaps they haven't - that's why i asked 05.41.36 # I know I've seen a few that have been marked as high priority briefly, then gotten a response of something similar to "That's not a bug, just do this" and been closed, if I recall 05.41.47 # ah, hm. 05.42.18 # You can close right? Want me to see if as a normal user I can create a high priority thing? 05.42.33 # i can close, sure. you're a normal user? :) 05.42.49 # Yeah 05.43.06 # wow, my memory sucks :) 05.44.18 # Alright, go take a look 05.44.44 # And yeah, I rarely do any *actual* coding so far. 05.44.49 # HAHA. critical feature request... :) 05.44.55 # Indeed 05.45.10 # A critical feature request requesting to be unable to make critical feature requests. 05.45.36 # let's leave it and send the admins a message. :) 05.45.43 # -and+to. 05.46.04 # At least it gets the point across. :) 05.47.03 # yes :) if only we had ultra-critical-flashing-yellow-and-red-screen-filling-popup priority.. :( 05.47.19 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 05.47.43 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 05.47.46 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-526c0b27cd9bb4bd) 05.48.23 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 05.49.57 # If we had that priority, I would probably never both to visit flyspray and help people with bug reports. 05.50.11 # haha. :) 05.50.44 # The very first time I saw a popup feature request for a playstation emulator, or something like that, I'd just give up. 05.50.54 # Honestly, it surprises me how few impossible requests actually seem to show up. 05.50.58 # haha :) 05.51.06 # ah, you weren't here for the tracktheripper days. :) 05.51.16 # "turn the archos into a tea kettle" was a notable one.. 05.51.24 # Hahaha. 05.51.33 # Yeah, I've only been here since a little bit into the H120 port. 05.51.53 # "make the archos turn voice recordings into text files" 05.52.23 # yeah, hm, i've.. well.. i started a few years ago, then took a couple years off.. 05.52.30 # Aaah 05.52.31 # now that ipod + rockbox = yay.. 05.53.15 # "Make The Normal Recorder pick up FM Like the FM recorder" - haha. 05.53.27 Part SlaytanicLemmy 05.54.35 # I still think that units that have a line in should be able to daisy-chained with some sort of very low-baud networking over the audio lines. :-P 05.54.55 # excellent - file it as critical ;) 05.55.08 # Hahaha 05.55.27 # But, can you imagine networked Doom deathmatches on H320s? 05.55.37 # my god.. 05.56.22 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.56.23 # To me, it's the exact right flavor of madness. 05.56.56 # and 100% plausible! 05.57.52 # Of course, someone's gonna stumble across this discussion, see only my suggestion, your statement of plausibility, and assume it's in the works, and post something about it over at misticriver. 05.58.17 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 05.58.52 # hahahaha :) 05.59.15 # hey, did you hear about the work-in-progress doom 3 port? 05.59.39 # i heard it's running at a solid 10fps or so.. bump+specular+normal maps, stencil shadows and everything.. 06.00.50 # Actually, on a related note, I want someone insane to realize that Quake1 ran on systems much slower than the H300, and with less RAM, and actually start porting it, just so I can see them slowly descend into insanity trying to get it working. 06.01.02 # "much slower" in mhz. 06.01.46 # hahaha :) 06.14.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.20.08 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.35.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: you said they're already insane, so what's the point in trying to drive them insane? 06.37.12 # BHSPitMonkey, you're already not funny, so what's the point in continued failed attempts? 06.37.37 # " jk ".. 06.40.16 # omg dissed 06.41.08 # hmm? 06.41.27 # .. that doesn't make sense? 06.43.33 # did something get caught in my idiot filter? 06.44.04 # ah, that's a good one. almost worth the 7+ minute wait. 06.46.23 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@74.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) 06.46.54 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzz") 06.52.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: you get a mouse working, and ill port quake 06.54.32 # hehe 06.54.46 # there's a smiluated mouse in iPL ;) 06.54.51 # simulated, even 06.55.15 # well.. with usbotg it should be possible to get a real mouse working... 07.02.00 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 07.02.00 # * BHSPitMonkey longs for usb on iPods 07.02.37 # haha, u just got the ipod and already its not adequate :D ? 07.09.42 # i experienced lots of mid-track gaps yesterday on my 5g ipod... seemed to get worse through the day so i guess it's due to low battery or something 07.10.18 Quit bluey (Remote closed the connection) 07.11.42 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.13.43 Quit Arrogant (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.13.43 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.13.43 Quit xmixahlx (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.13.43 Quit linuxstb (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.13.43 Quit josh_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.13.43 Quit DT291 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.13.43 Quit Strath (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.13.43 Quit BHSPitMonkey (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 07.14.27 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 07.14.27 NJoin Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@74.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) 07.14.27 NJoin xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 07.14.27 NJoin linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 07.14.27 NJoin josh_ [0] (i=josh@adsl-64-161-78-226.dsl.lsan03.pacbell.net) 07.14.27 NJoin DT291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-180.bna.bellsouth.net) 07.14.27 NJoin Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 07.14.27 NJoin BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-115-4.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.14.42 # nudel: What format and bitrate is your music, and are you using replaygain/equalizer/crossfeed? 07.15.53 Quit Bg3r (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.18.35 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-115-4.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 07.20.14 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.") 07.20.31 # MP3 (LAME APS), only using the bass equaliser at the moment, although it may have happened after I started playing around with the 5 band EQ. I think that was off after I played but I'll have a look once it's finished charging. 07.21.13 # Yeah, MP3 isn't running as fast as it could by a long shot, so moderate to high bitrates + equalizer can easily cause the buffer to drop too low. 07.21.42 # Ah ok. Is that likely to change or would I be best off moving to Ogg Vorbis? 07.22.18 # Well, I don't think MP3 has been optimized at all for the ARM targets. 07.22.39 # I mean, on the iRivers, I believe MP3 is more efficient than ogg, but on the iPod, it's currently the other way around as far as I can tell 07.22.48 # So it's likely to change at some point. 07.22.51 # makes sense 07.22.58 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.23.02 # if i knew anything about ARM asm i'd help 07.23.49 # it's frustrating to know there's at least one really highly optimized ARM Mp3 library in the world but we can't use it due to cost/licencing/blah 07.24.26 Join TCK- [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-248-118.dsl.pipex.com) 07.25.03 # i don't know how optimized tremor was on the karma but mp3 got considerably better battery life. the devs said ogg vorbis was inherently more CPU intensive, but it obviously depends on how optimized the decoders are 07.26.35 # Well, if both are as optimized as they can get, or equally optimized, vorbis will generally be more cpu intensive. 07.26.42 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.26.44 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 07.26.56 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 07.26.57 # It definitely is on the coldfire iRiver targets. 07.27.11 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-7-118.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 07.27.48 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.29.58 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.30.19 Quit JdGordon (Client Quit) 07.30.26 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.35.40 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.37.44 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.40.17 Quit TCK- ("well, if you say so.") 07.41.01 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.42.02 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.42.28 Join webguest50 [0] (n=1817b0eb@labb.contactor.se) 07.42.41 # anyone know if you can still even buy the iriver h100 series players? 07.43.00 # ww.ebay.com 07.44.16 Quit webguest50 (Client Quit) 07.46.10 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 07.56.32 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.56.46 Quit Arrogant ("Leaving") 07.58.11 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.59.12 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.59.48 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 07.59.54 # hi 08.07.39 # yo 08.09.33 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@p54BD6F4B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.09.46 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 08.09.46 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@p54BD6F4B.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.14.12 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.20.15 Join Bg3r [0] (n=Bager@87.246.10.17) 08.21.12 # mo[r|o]ning 08.22.27 # moo :) 08.23.30 # ;) 08.23.32 Join tenzing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 08.24.48 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.31.13 # hi Bg3r 08.36.43 # hi, Jungti1234 08.41.08 # "[Base and treble settings] don't do anything useful, anyways; increasing either of them should increase your volume overall a bit, but the sound remains the same." <-- Is that true? lol, I turned up the bass and noticed a volume increase but I also thought the bass was boosted more than everything else... I must have imagined it. heh 08.42.32 # nudel, that was my post. :) 08.43.15 # nudel, the bass/treble don't do anything related to sound other than seemingly boost the volume.. i asked a while back and got a response to the effect of "not implemented yet". 08.43.22 # shows how much of an audiophile i am that a volume increase fooled me into thinking the bass was boosted ;-] 08.43.33 # nudel, it fooled me too ;) 08.43.59 # until i realized that everything was much quieter with it set back to 0 each time. :) so i compared a few times, then came to ask.. 08.44.01 # i assumed they would auotmatically adjust the more complex eq in a simpler way, but hadn't got around to investigating 08.44.23 # nudel, no, it's just direct bass/treble, or at least it was, when it was on the archos models.. 08.44.35 # ipods deal with software decoding, so the bass and treble should work differently.. 08.44.47 # yeah i've been listening at work with the minimum volume (to avoid annoying everyone else) and it's quite loud at min volume (-58db) with a 5db bass boost 08.45.04 # nudel, right, makes a pretty big difference :) 08.45.48 # mikday: If I understand correctly, the bass and treble settings are handled somewhere in hardware even on the swcodec targets, while the equalizer is handled in software, which is why they're independent and work slightly differently 08.45.56 # Bass & treble are a hardware function on iriver too. 08.46.08 # (of the UDA1380 audio chip) 08.46.15 # amiconn, what about ipods? 08.46.22 # Dunno whether the wolfson chips can do the same 08.46.37 # hmm.. 08.47.38 # anyone got hands-on experience with core duo laptops yet? 08.48.15 # a friend at work just got a core duo mini and says it's very speedy, if that helps 08.51.55 # http://radiokidz.mizc.com/tt/attach/0309/060309130035361915/329351.jpg 08.51.56 # hmm 08.52.13 # mame? :) 09.01.24 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-56-151.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.02.16 # Yes, MAME on iPodLinux, I've heard. 09.03.15 # Bass/treble are implemented on the 4g, but not the 5g. The 4g's DAC has hardware bass/treble, but the 5g's DAC doesn't. The 5g's DAC has a 5-band EQ, but that's not used yet. 09.04.13 # iriver is impossible? 09.04.31 # Reading the logs from last night, I would assume that it's the inability to create device nodes that cause Linux to refuse to boot from a FAT partition. 09.06.12 # Jungti1234: Mame isn't open source, so we can't port it to Rockbox. 09.06.27 # (Open Source as in the Open Source Definition) 09.08.38 # damn, the x5 remote is kinda nice, it has a 4-gray lcd 128x96 09.08.55 # LinusN really? very good :) 09.09.06 # but worse main screen ... 09.09.08 # nudel: core duo mini? you mean a mac? 09.09.15 # LinusN: Do you know the framebuffer format yet? 09.09.35 # i'm wading through the disassembly... 09.10.01 # gah 09.10.32 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 09.10.33 # Remote & main with non-b&w different format... 09.10.54 # lovely, isn't it? :-) 09.10.55 # good morning 09.11.07 # dwihno: yeah, sorry i thought you were talking about the core duo mac laptops... not used to "core duo" being used anywhere else yet :) 09.12.02 # nudel: heh, nah, I'm thinking about a new laptop... :) 09.12.08 # (for linux/*bsd-something) 09.13.12 # LinusN: Not at all. 09.13.21 # * amiconn imagines the gui code for this 09.13.48 # setting foreground/background will be fun... 09.14.15 # Are you already able to run code on the X5? 09.14.34 # only the bootloader 09.14.47 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.15.36 # i bought a remote yesterday 09.15.46 # and today i have the remote button driver working :-) 09.15.56 # The lcd_remote_* code shouldn't cause difficulties. 09.16.39 # If it's 4-gray, I expect the format to be equal either to the H1x0 main lcd, or to the greyscale iPod lcd 09.17.45 # In theory there are some more possibilities which are trivial permutations of these 09.17.50 # i'm off to bed, but i wanted to suggest something first (LinusN?) - linking to the new MajorChanges wiki page on the rockbox.org homepage, perhaps underneath the small "all changes since v2.5" text or something.. it'd probably be a useful page for end-users, i think. 09.18.12 # (1) The bytes could be oriented differently, i.e. MSB on top / to the lfet 09.18.18 # *left 09.18.36 # midkay: nice work 09.19.06 # LinusN, thanks.. any thoughts on the front page idea? 09.19.08 # (2) The whole framebuffer could be transposed, i.e. running column by column instead of row by row 09.19.16 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.19.22 # midkay: will give it some thought 09.19.40 # LinusN, cool :) bed for me, nite 09.20.17 # LinusN: Try to find out the lcd controller type... 09.20.27 # amiconn: will do 09.21.30 # regarding recording file corruption at low battery: one also needs to seek back to the header to update it and then seek back. I expect this not to be a problem? 09.21.52 # update the header? 09.21.57 # fsync() alone is not enough to save the recording 09.22.04 # oh 09.22.16 # the length of the recording is in the header 09.22.16 # now that sucks a lot 09.22.37 # it seems to work, I'll just test it a bit more 09.23.03 # that may take some time if the file is big, like a gigabyte or so 09.23.11 # Fortunately on archos it doesn't matter much. It's just a xing header 09.23.38 # petur: is there a way to recalculate the header afterwards? 09.23.55 # i mean , the fsync is only there to make sure we don't lose the file 09.24.00 # petur: Are you talking about wav files? 09.24.11 # I guess the user could always repair the wav 09.24.12 # linuxstb: yes he is 09.24.24 # there must be tools that can fill in the header... 09.24.26 # In which case, yes, it should be trivial to repair it. 09.24.41 # i think the main goal is to make sure the file is intact 09.24.58 # then fsync alone, and let the user repair it... 09.25.13 # i think so 09.25.24 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 09.27.16 # IIRC, there are two size-related fields in a wav header - assuming you are just using a standard 44-byte header, one field is always filesize-8, and the other is filesize-44. 09.27.35 # yes 09.28.16 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.28.35 # But this is going to get messy with realtime software encoding. I'm not sure how reliable a half-finished wavpack file will be. 09.29.15 # then better make some work of the low power event... 09.37.57 Quit tucoz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.38.42 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@140.80-202-100.nextgentel.com) 09.39.14 # LinusN: As you started the target-specific code subdirs: How do you think we could handle the case where some target-specific code is shared between several targets? 09.39.37 # E.g. lcd driver for archos recv1/recv2/fmrec/Ondios 09.40.28 Join robin_ [0] (n=robin@debian.demon.nl) 09.50.12 Part Paul_The_Nerd 09.57.48 Join asper [0] (i=asper@host46-51.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 09.57.54 # hi guys 09.58.02 # I need help with MPLAB 09.58.12 # I have the ASM code for pic 16f84 09.58.20 # how can I compile the .hex file with MPLAB ? 09.58.36 # (I am building the REMCLONE and I need to upload the code to the pic) 10.01.08 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 10.12.11 Quit Jungti1234 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.13.54 # does any1 know how to set the first item shown in a listview in windows? 10.14.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.16.47 # jdgordon hi 10.16.52 # hi 10.16.53 # do you know how to use MBLAB ? 10.16.57 # no 10.17.00 # :( 10.17.07 # I need to compile an asm file 10.17.10 # do you kow who can = 10.17.12 # ? 10.17.22 # nup, sorry 10.17.51 # * linuxstb sees talk about an AAC re-implementation on the ffmpeg mailing list.... 10.23.36 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 10.24.13 # JdGordon: Have you looked at the functions in apps/gui/list.h ? gui_list_select_item() seems to do what you want. 10.24.43 # (or gui_synclist_select_item) 10.25.00 # ... i added the in windows part hopeing that would be understood as win32... 10.25.08 # :p 10.25.31 # * linuxstb is blind to any non-Rockbox talk... 10.25.32 Join Nico [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 10.26.09 Part Nico 10.26.19 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 10.28.13 # JdGordon: There's LVM_ENSUREVISIBLE to make sure an item is visible *somewhere* in the list. Not sure off the top of my head about the best way to make sure it's the first item. You might have to work out the number of pixels to scroll (LVM_SCROLL) based on the item height and spacing and the current item position, but I'd be surprised if there isn't a better way. 10.28.50 # nudel: ye thanx, thats what im playing with atm.. but not so easy 10.29.30 Quit needleboy () 10.31.14 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-47-155.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.31.16 # It's rare to work with the Win32 common controls and not walk away disapointed. :) They all seem half-finished and work inconsistently compared to each other. :( Bit of a shame considering the amount of users and money involved with them. 10.31.42 # haha.. true 10.32.11 # * petur is doing some MFC work atm and gets the feeling he needs to throw up 10.32.13 # so, ill just change a label from "center around" to "jump to" 10.34.15 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-221.VIC.netspace.net.au) 10.37.04 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 10.40.23 # Right, now someone with more time than me can put the eq system through it's paces in RightMark or something 10.40.25 # There is a small bug in the vu-meter plugin (at least on the h1xx). When I exit the plugin, the scrollbar is vanished until I do some scrolling. 10.45.21 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.45.29 Part asper 10.46.26 Join c0utta [0] (n=cbad1f07@labb.contactor.se) 10.49.47 # I wonder if running the sim through valgrind would produce anything useful for Rockbxo 10.49.50 # Rockbox even 10.51.14 Quit needleboy () 10.51.38 # I thought the main purpose of valgrind was for analysing malloc usage? 10.51.52 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 10.53.09 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 10.53.22 # linuxstb, yeah now that I'm reading the faq it seems to be heap focused. I thought it might do bounds checking and so forth as well. 10.53.49 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 10.55.51 # safetydan: Already tried oscilloscope? 10.56.48 # does vorbis.com no longer supply a reference vorbistools compile? (oggenc etc.) i want the latest encoder without risking some intel compiler freaky version from rarewares 10.57.09 # are you listening LinusN ? 10.58.14 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-8e2d3ba6b64fd51a) 11.00.47 Quit needleboy () 11.01.00 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 11.01.04 # damn.. 11.02.16 # amiconn, very cool, it's almost usable on the h120 once you slow it down enough :) 11.02.19 # English test point is 60... :'( 11.02.59 # Korean test point is 69... and math test point is 29.... :@ 11.03.23 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 11.04.00 # Jungti1234, what scale do you use? 0-100? 11.04.32 # safetydan: You think the default speed (==max) is too fast? 11.04.33 # 0-100.. 11.04.39 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 11.04.47 # I tested on recorder, H140 and H340 myself 11.05.12 # windows q again... any1 know how to get a date string using the location specific version thingy? i.e mm/dd/yyyy in america and dd/mm/yyyy in australia (from a SYSTEMTIME ? ) 11.05.21 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 11.05.45 Quit needleboy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.07.12 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 11.08.41 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.08.41 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 11.09.21 Join krmathis [0] (n=krmathis@124.84-48-138.nextgentel.com) 11.12.50 # amiconn, I think one notch lower than max seems to be best to start with for me 11.16.56 # JdGordon: here is yyyy.mm.dd or yyyy/mm/dd 11.17.16 # ok, thats my problem.. im hoping there is a windows funciton to do it 11.18.26 # in c? 11.18.31 # ye 11.18.43 # GetLocalTime 11.19.05 # Hmmm... 11.19.26 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 11.19.36 # Well, Oscilloscope keeps a 178kbps ogg from decoding fast enough on iPod. 11.19.43 # t0mas: no, i want ot get a string from a time i already have in the local format 11.19.50 # ah ok 11.20.05 # hmm... I remember using it once 11.20.10 # so I'm sure it is somewhere around 11.20.54 # linuxstb: did your i2s commit make playback on ipod better? 11.21.04 # isn't it GetTimeFormat()? 11.21.14 # markun: It was an iPod 3G commit - it's untested. 11.21.18 # ah, got it: http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/intl/nls_6at0.asp 11.21.36 # markun: But I'm hoping it will actually make audio work on the 3g. 11.21.41 # thanx 11.21.59 # set lpFormat to NULL 11.21.59 # linuxstb: does the 3g also have the 'broken' cache? 11.22.04 # that will get you the local time format 11.22.28 # markun: I believe 1st through 3rd are the ones with the broken cache, yes. 11.23.02 # If I recall it was all of the ones using the PP5002 11.23.53 # markun: I'm expecting (hoping) that the fact Rockbox makes good use of IRAM will compensate for the slow cache on the PP5002 (1G-3G). 11.23.54 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.24.46 # the "lancer" asm optimized oggenc build is impressively fast on an athlon64... encoding from FLAC to OV q6 in 5 to 10 seconds per track! 11.25.14 # linuxstb: maybe I will buy one of the older ipods then if rockbox plays ogg's just fine 11.25.20 # Is it just me are the cvs builds stuck? 11.25.59 # does lancer use AoTuV cahnges? 11.26.18 # markun: Why are you thinking of buying an ipod? 11.26.47 # Kohlrabi: it does, seems to be based on the latest AoTuV 4.15 (i thnk that's the number) 11.27.12 # linuxstb: my girlfriend wants a portable player that plays Oggs 11.27.26 # i want a girlfriend who knows what Oggs are 11.27.33 # 4.51 11.27.33 Join gromit`` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 11.27.34 # ;) 11.27.47 # linuxstb: she doesn't like ipods because everyone has one though.. 11.27.51 # great, got a link to it? I only found some supposedly asian site 11.28.35 # * amiconn wants to borrow a grayscale iPod for porting the grayscale lib 11.29.23 # http://homepage3.nifty.com/blacksword/ is the site (yeah, asian, just grab the oggenc281_p4_lancer20060303.zip link, or the p3 one if you have Pentium3 or AthlonXP rather than P4/PM/Athlon64) 11.29.25 # nudel: wait for a girlfriend that knows nothing about computers, give her one and teach her how to rip CDs in Ogg Vorbis :) 11.29.59 # hot :) 11.30.22 # nudel: that's what I did :) 11.30.28 # it's no 64bit build, right? :) 11.30.40 # not 64bit, no 11.30.43 # just plain AMD64 32 bit mode, OK :) 11.30.49 # well 11.30.51 # Sure 11.30.54 # When it's p4... 11.30.57 # dammit ;) 11.31.00 # hehe 11.31.34 # great find, thanks 11.34.09 Quit gromit` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.36.17 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 11.40.28 Join ripnetuk [0] (n=george@host-87-74-125-82.bulldogdsl.com) 11.40.56 Part ripnetuk 11.41.19 Quit needleboy () 11.42.38 Join ripnetuk [0] (n=george@host-87-74-125-82.bulldogdsl.com) 11.42.42 # Okay, the CVS builds page is definitely broken. Unless changes take an hour to compile now? 11.42.44 Part ripnetuk 11.43.24 # t0mas: Hanging ssh process again? 11.43.36 # * t0mas checks 11.43.55 # 127.0.0.1 hanging :X 11.44.48 # ah, double failure... 11.45.02 # linuxstb's server failed... and 127.0.0.1 had a hanging ssh 11.45.17 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.45.51 # weird 11.48.06 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 11.49.29 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 11.49.44 # linuxstb: would you like to test my hsv colour picker hack? 11.51.27 # markun: Sure. How does it work? 11.52.03 # linuxstb: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/hsv.patch 11.52.07 # t0mas: When did my server fail? 11.52.21 # I just replaced the RGB picker and it needs a lot of work 11.52.31 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.52.41 # saving the doesn't work for example (I think) 11.52.44 # linuxstb: 1200 seconds ago 11.52.54 # 20 minutes 11.53.30 # t0mas: Strange. The "build server" is my desktop PC, and I've been using it fine all morning. 11.53.38 # weird 11.53.42 # some ssh process was hanging 11.53.59 # (the cvs update) 11.54.14 # so 2 things can have happened... 11.54.19 # 1. the connect failed 11.54.24 # 2. the cvs update command hung... 11.54.24 # linuxstb: I'll update the patch, it's not the most recent 11.55.19 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.56.03 # linuxstb: updated 11.58.08 Quit gromit`` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.58.35 Quit Jungti1234 () 11.59.52 # t0mas: Could we detect hanging ssh, kill it & start over? 12.00.00 Quit Shani}{Coder (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 12.00.36 # amiconn: difficult 12.00.49 # we added an option to it... to set the connect timeout to 15 seconds 12.00.52 # but that doesn't seem to help 12.01.40 # safetydan, preglow: Using 'long long' in the eq code isn't exactly a good idea anymore.. 12.01.53 # int64_t 12.02.07 Join asper [0] (i=asper@host46-51.pool80116.interbusiness.it) 12.02.46 # amiconn, that could explain why it didn't work for preglow 12.03.02 # Bit hard for us 32-bit people to find these issues thought. 12.03.13 # Do you need to include inttypes.h to have that type available? 12.04.07 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.05.01 # markun: I have no idea what the sliders are doing in your patch.... It's also not picking up the original RGB colour, and the sliders are now wrapping (they didn't before on the ipods) 12.06.23 # markun: This would be cool though: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f1/HSV_cone.jpg/300px-HSV_cone.jpg 12.07.03 # linuxstb: only the hue slider has to wrap 12.07.20 # linuxstb: but I made it wraping for all now. It's only a hack 12.07.38 # just to try out the hsv2rgb conversion 12.08.15 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.08.16 # markun: Why should the hue slider wrap? The clickwheel on the ipod makes it hard to select the minimum/maximum values if wrapping is enabled. 12.09.13 # linuxstb: because the hue values are specified in degrees. It's a colour circle. 12.10.22 # OK. But I don't think it's very useful to use three sliders. Are you planning a more visual representation? 12.10.22 Part krmathis 12.11.06 Join IcyStorM [0] (n=aknemyr@h141n10c1o1043.bredband.skanova.com) 12.11.07 # linuxstb: maybe, this is just a test 12.11.37 # linuxstb: but what do you think of the way the colours change with HSV? Do you prefer it over RGB? 12.12.41 Quit asper () 12.12.52 # Because I don't always see which colour I get (because of my little colour vision problem) HSV is easyer for me :) 12.13.21 # markun: It's easier in some ways. But I'm not sure how much people will use the colour picker widget, compared to just loading a theme file someone else has created. 12.13.45 # I also don't knwo 12.13.53 # lostlogic: so, did you get anything profiled? 12.14.08 # But I also don't know how many people will use the arabic support I put so much work in :) 12.14.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.19.48 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.23.30 Quit gromit` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.27.36 # markun, as you have been working with fonts in rockbox, do you know how to get the fonts from x.org to fit in rockbox? 12.28.26 Quit needleboy () 12.29.03 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.30.54 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@Fd4bb.f.strato-dslnet.de) 12.34.09 Quit needleboy () 12.34.12 Join gromit` [0] (n=gromit@ras75-5-82-234-244-69.fbx.proxad.net) 12.34.45 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.36.48 # tucoz: Have you seen rasher's font page? http://www.rasher.dk/rockbox/fonts/ 12.37.07 # linuxstb: ah, forgot about that. Thanks 12.38.19 # tucoz: after reading your conversation with amiconn about the default fonts I thought about adding some more clR fonts 12.38.32 # * JdGordon wants a webdings font! 12.38.33 # Too bad they only cover ascii 12.38.44 # markun, yes. oh. 7 or 8 bit? 12.39.13 # 7 or 8 bit what? 12.39.14 Quit needleboy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.39.20 # ah, 7 bit 12.40.16 # ok, but the default rockbox supports äö and so on 12.41.14 # hm, let me check again then 12.42.27 # tucoz: maybe they were added by hand? 12.42.53 # that could be true 12.43.30 # The fonts in font-schumacher-misc are only 7-bit (except for clR6x12.bdf) 12.44.00 # markun, hmm. But, that could be used as standard on the larger screens? 12.45.05 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A47F0B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.45.30 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.47.32 # It's not that big difference between the default and the clR6x12 font 12.47.38 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 12.48.20 # Well, it does look better than the tiny font. 12.48.21 Quit coob (Read error: 101 (Network is unreachable)) 12.49.02 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.49.36 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 12.49.51 # tucoz: amiconn said about 11px for H1xx and 14px for H3xx to match the size of the default font on the archos recorder 12.50.57 # Yes, I know. That is probably because of the dpi. But, another issue is that we have several different aspect ratios as well. So, a totally unified look will be hard to achieve 12.51.57 # The recorder doesn't have square pixels, right? 12.52.03 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 12.52.14 # No, I don't think so. it's widescreen as well. 12.52.26 # or something like that 12.52.49 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.53.01 # Well, the apect ratio of the screen doesn't matter for the looks of the font I think. Only the shape of the pixels. 12.53.19 # ok, you are probably right 12.53.44 # But I think amiconn have said some time that it doesn't have square pixels. 12.54.01 # I thought it was only the Archos LCD that doesn't have square pixels? 12.54.42 # isn't that the recorder? 12.55.02 # I thought they all had the same LCD (apart from the Player) 12.55.28 # yes, they have. recorder, recorder v2 fm, ondio have the same lcd's I think 12.56.15 # I'm not sure if this is a bug in the clock plugin (i.e. it is still using the Archos pixel shape), but looking at it on my ipod 5g, the clock isn't a perfect circle. 12.56.27 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 12.56.49 # sounds like a bug 12.57.04 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 12.57.07 # linuxstb: do you have an idea why the scrollbar is gone after I run the vu-meter plugin? 12.57.50 # tucoz: No idea. 12.58.06 # ok 12.58.58 # Which scrollbar? 12.59.07 # in the filebrowser 12.59.17 # tucoz, I can't reproduce the issue that you're seeing, but the scrollbar does do something odd when you exit the vu-meter plugin 12.59.20 # the inverted one 12.59.30 # safetydan, ok. I am running h120 12.59.39 # it doesn't actually show the selected option anymore when you exit the plugin 12.59.42 # tucoz, so am I 12.59.58 # it's like it's scrolled up one or two lines when you exit the plugin 12.59.59 # maybe it's the focus. 13.01.11 # This happens with paged scrolling both on and off 13.02.24 # Oddly it works fine on the simulator 13.02.29 # it looks like vumeter is selected after I exit the plugin, but vumeter is not visible on screen. The bottom visible item in the plugin list is star 13.02.44 # tucoz, yes that's what I'm seeing 13.04.05 # I deleted vumeter.rock, to see if it was because it's last in the list that causes this but sudoku behaves properly on exit. 13.06.46 # it does that with xobox (by eli sherer) too 13.07.07 # it has always been the case since the plugin was released i think... 13.08.01 Quit Nico_P () 13.10.35 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 13.10.49 # star behaves the same 13.13.16 # and sliding puzzle 13.14.22 # and snake 13.16.11 # and snake2 13.16.31 # what happenined to the 9sec build times? 13.16.38 # and the red and orange in the table! 13.17.47 # * petur whispers 'build server counter' 13.18.23 # and finally sokoban 13.18.25 # ah! 13.21.23 # ok silly q.. can the oscialscope plugin be changed to act like the wps?? 13.21.54 # How do you mean "act like the WPS"? 13.22.25 # like, show the track info ontop of the osc... 13.22.32 # much cooler than the boring winamp look 13.23.49 # If plugins have access to the currently playing track information I'm sure it could be done 13.24.27 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 13.36.30 # ahaha 13.36.37 # do you people actually sit around looking at the wps? 13.36.45 # no... 13.36.50 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 13.36.51 # ..not all day.. 13.36.55 # haha 13.37.16 # hi.. my name is jonathan and im a wps-aholic 13.37.16 # i even bloody disable peak meter all the time, to not waste battery on something i'll never see 13.37.17 # :p 13.41.51 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 13.45.30 # there has been this idea to stop wps drawing when backlight is off (for the targets that are useless without backlight of course)... to be implemented? 13.45.58 # petur: y? tests have shown it hardly uses any battery 13.46.04 # .. on he h300 anyway 13.46.33 # oh ok 13.52.09 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@213-208-105-37.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 13.52.18 Quit needleboy () 13.52.26 Quit Maxime (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.52.29 Join Maxime [0] (n=flemmard@fbx.flemmard.be) 13.52.43 # switching off the lcd would make more sense 13.53.02 # that's done already 13.53.39 # yup 13.54.08 # it's the drawing of the wps into the internal framebuffer I was talking about 13.55.49 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 13.56.05 Quit ep0ch (Remote closed the connection) 13.56.52 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@213-208-105-37.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 14.00.07 Quit kclaf (Success) 14.00.08 Join kclaf [0] (n=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 14.01.41 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.04.51 # mm 14.05.20 # what do you think on custom status bar? 14.10.16 Join nyonyai_csipcsi [0] (i=nyonyai_@catv-5665568d.catv.broadband.hu) 14.11.13 # hi just one quetion: can i use rockbox while charging my h300? 14.11.38 # AC adapter charging: yes, USB: no 14.12.02 # so i just need to connect the adapter when rockbox is on? 14.12.19 # yes: first switch it on 14.12.25 # ok, thanx:) 14.12.58 # if you insert while it's off, it will start the iriver firmware 14.14.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.14.23 # yes, i've noticed that many times;)...but now i know the truth:), bye 14.14.28 Quit nyonyai_csipcsi (Client Quit) 14.14.40 # why does it do that (start the iriver from cold start + AC adapter) ? 14.14.47 # * lods np: Michael Jackson - We Are The World (Demo) ( The Ultimate Collection (Disc 2.4) ) < Pop > 14.14.57 # would of through it would be the same reset sequence? 14.15.19 # didj: decision made in the current version of the bootloader 14.15.27 # ahhh 14.20.38 # petur why not charging via USB on h300 ? 14.21.08 # I meant that he can't use his h300 while charging over usb 14.21.37 # ah ? 14.21.42 # why ? 14.21.46 # usb mode? 14.21.55 # ah, probably u don't know 14.22.03 # he? 14.22.14 # but if you hold down rec while connecting it to USB, it won't go into USB mode 14.22.24 # wow 14.22.37 # (in rockbox itself, not in the bootloader, of course) 14.22.51 # nice! 14.22.57 # yep 14.27.27 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd36c.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.27.37 Join rob- [0] (n=robbie@haylott.plus.com) 14.29.18 # mm when the usb is connected, the h3xx will take the power from the computer or from the usb? 14.29.25 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 14.29.27 # lol 14.29.54 # i mean from the computer or from the battery 14.31.09 # afaik it always takes the power from the battery 14.31.26 # blah 14.37.17 # Paprica: i asked linus some time if it was possible to have it take power from usb, he said it would break the usb specs 14.37.55 # what is specs? 14.38.05 # specifications 14.38.26 # ok 14.39.40 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 14.40.05 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 14.41.14 Quit Rob2222 () 14.41.16 # safetydan, tucoz: That scrollbar focus problem has been there since the gui code was introduced 14.41.29 # I have no idea what causes it though... 14.41.56 # petur: You *can* use rockbox with USB charging 14.42.26 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB7772B.ipt.aol.com) 14.42.30 # amiconn, ok. 14.42.39 # never noticed it before 14.43.47 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-d51cd63329c72fd6) 14.45.58 Quit needleboy () 14.49.38 Part LinusN 14.49.55 # hmm, where did that change to the Makefile come from? 14.50.03 # I certainly didn't make it 14.50.41 # Zagor: Do you think we could scrap the battery_test plugin? 14.50.54 # sure, if it's not useful 14.52.21 # Imho battery_bench is more realistic. 14.52.49 # I'm asking b/c battery_test is your work. 14.53.02 # kill it. I have no strong nostalgic bonds to it :-) 14.54.40 # How do I revert a commit? The Makefile got ruined somehow in my last commit 14.55.01 # you need to commit the old version aain 14.55.21 # preglow, do you know how to check out the old version? 14.55.27 # IIRC, it's something like: cvs diff Makefile -r 1.24 | patch -R 14.55.44 # (where 1.24 is the revision you want a diff against) 14.56.32 # It's "cvs diff -r 1.1 Makefile" 14.56.49 # ok, thanks 14.58.34 # Which name is better, oscillograph or oscilloscope? 14.58.41 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@DSL217-132-12-152.bb.netvision.net.il) 14.58.53 # grr, I have to run. Either I fix this later on, or if someone finds the time to fix it I would be grateful 14.59.02 # oscilloscope is the correct term isnt it ? 14.59.22 # I want to make a combined plugin. One name has to die... 15.01.26 # scope, i say 15.01.33 # though it's not exactly true 15.05.26 # Some plugins are missing in PluginIndex... 15.06.27 # I think what the plugin does is best described as an oscillograph 15.07.01 # To be an oscilloscope shouldn't it just show a non-scrolling oscillating wave? 15.10.32 # depends 15.10.38 # you can make scopes do that as well 15.12.10 # Fair enough. My experience with them is fairly limited. 15.13.19 # According to a webpage at The University of Dublin. "The oscilloscope is basically a graph-displaying device" :) 15.14.09 # Hehehe 15.22.03 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.22.12 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 15.24.05 # Zagor: any idea where he is quoting from? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-03/0057.shtml 15.24.40 # he's not quoting. he suggest I say that. at least that's how I interpreted it. 15.25.09 # It looks more like a quote to me 15.25.40 # I guess that's the purpose 15.25.48 # :) 15.25.54 Join gracchus [0] (n=jesse@bneu-c34.realtimecomm.net) 15.26.50 Join quobl_ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-89be74b77621c46a) 15.28.32 Part IcyStorM 15.28.52 # Zagor: I read the "what about" as a reminder of something said in the past, but after reading it again it's probably meant as a proposal. 15.29.24 # i can assure you we have never said anything like that. 15.32.21 # how some people make it sound like a heroic battle against the evil rockbox empire.. :) 15.32.44 # every authority must be challenged, I guess 15.32.55 # battle against the oppressors! 15.36.20 Quit SereR0kR ("XChat Aqua") 15.39.22 Quit imphasing (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.41.10 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 15.41.16 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd36c.f.strato-dslnet.de) 15.43.20 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 15.44.47 Nick Spida_ is now known as Spida (i=Spida@p508A3A2F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.45.20 # preglow: got profiling to work, but have to rewrite the parsing code -- map files are different. 15.45.46 # the parsing code will actually be easier for arm, but still has to be done -- shouldn't need the object files, just the maps on arm, if I read them correctly. 15.47.59 Quit imphasing ("leaving") 15.48.56 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 15.53.07 # stopkeylogger command available for the new firmware? 15.53.20 # Man that joke just never gets old. 15.53.42 # lol 15.55.00 # *(&%^(**&%*& NO CARRIER 16.00.41 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.02.35 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 16.02.48 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.03.03 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 16.03.37 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-233.seh.ox.ac.uk) 16.06.31 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 16.09.47 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa102.12.tellas.gr) 16.10.29 # wasn't that supposed to be ATZ+++ ? :) 16.11.31 Join webguest80 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 16.11.39 Quit needleboy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.13.02 Quit imphasing ("Kernels are fun!") 16.13.16 # Hm, no Cassandra. Anyway, her Rockbox Utility has a bug. If you select ihp120, you can chose to install "release" by pressing the up-arrow even though it's disabled and can't be selected by mouse. 16.14.01 # Quite surprising really, you would've thought that disabling a widget would not allow it to be selected in any way. 16.14.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.16.47 # any native english speakers around? 16.17.08 # When my name is "Jan de Boer" (In the Netherlands thats quite common...) 16.17.13 # what is the word "de" called? 16.17.22 # it's: firstname, X, lastname... 16.17.29 # but I have no idea what the word for X is... 16.17.46 # surname ? (for father's name) 16.17.53 # prefix? 16.17.55 # but that's not this afaics 16.17.59 # de Boer would be your last name i think 16.18.38 # in the US that would be your lastname yes 16.18.51 # but isn't there a word for that part of the name in English? 16.19.04 # what is it in dutch? 16.19.08 # tussenvoegsel 16.19.11 Quit DT291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.19.14 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 16.19.30 # doesn't ring any bells 16.19.37 # t0mas: here they just call it prefix: http://www.ancestry.com/learn/library/article.aspx?article=3770 16.19.43 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-180.bna.bellsouth.net) 16.19.53 # hm ok 16.20.00 # that will do for my database table then :) 16.20.01 # http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tussenvoegsel -> the English link leads to "Family name affixes" 16.20.24 # ghehe... column name in a table: "Family name affixes" 16.20.29 # that isn't a great idea... 16.20.36 # but prefix is ok... 16.21.08 # t0mas: How would that name be written in a passport? 16.21.09 # It really is an infix though isn't it? 16.21.25 # linuxstb: Jan de Boer 16.21.33 # infix? 16.21.39 # So you don't have separate surname/forename boxes in any official forms? 16.22.06 # t0mas: something that's inserted in the middle 16.22.07 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-50-180.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.22.27 # Wow, remote detection really messes up when keylock is on. 16.22.32 # (on h120) 16.23.00 # t0mas: I'm pretty sure there's no name for it in english. I've never heard anyone separate it from the last name in english. 16.23.16 # such as "Mr de Boer" 16.23.29 # "Werner von Braun" 16.23.37 # "Mr von Braun" 16.23.42 # 'The Dutch word "Tussenvoegsel" has no satisfactory equivalent in English, although it is sometimes translated as "infix." It literally means "something put in between."' 16.23.55 # I win! 16.24.01 # haha 16.24.02 # damn :) 16.24.13 # Why can't you furriners learn to talk write klike Prezedent Bush do? 16.24.18 # What was I thinking.. prefix.. 16.24.18 # whats up with wernher? 16.24.22 # try it on 20 native english speakers. I bet a beer nobody will know what it means. 16.24.36 # markun: well, it's a prefix for the family name, so 16.24.40 # could be either, really 16.24.54 # like van gogh or de gama 16.24.55 # * t0mas goes for the infix 16.24.56 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 16.24.58 # win-win situation 16.25.03 # sounds lik the right word from my dictionary 16.25.24 # t0mas: what are you writing? 16.25.48 # customer management system 16.25.56 # needed english database fieldnames 16.26.01 # oops, the menu on the mailinglist page doesn't have "CVS Builds" (and also still has the sourceforge logo) 16.26.16 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@82-166-190-110.barak.net.il) 16.26.33 Quit imphasing ("Lost terminal") 16.26.54 # t0mas: in English, there's never goig to be an occasion to seperate an infix from the rest of the last name. Not even for alphabetizing. 16.27.19 # but I have Dutch customers... 16.27.27 # so I want a setting... what to sort in 16.27.37 # I bet all english customers will be using it to write middle initials instead :-) 16.27.41 # sorting "de Boer" on a D is not done here... 16.27.56 # well.. if they want to.. go ahead :P 16.28.03 # van is supposed to be " elected " 16.28.06 # that' 16.28.07 # I'll just add a setting to select what to sort on 16.28.15 # some people sort on customerID anyway :) 16.28.15 # that's why w Bush will invade you. 16.28.32 # you can start sorting on the first capital letter, but maybe that will break some other language 16.28.46 # we have a quite common name like this: "Nick van den Heuvel" 16.29.01 # jean claude van damme 16.29.02 # Nick is his firstname... "van den" the infix... and "Heuvel" the official lastname 16.29.30 # like Frodo of the Shire 16.29.35 # ghehe 16.29.45 # maybe not used so much in english anymore 16.29.55 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 16.30.24 # i like van der graf generator 16.30.25 # * webguest80 stares at the oscillo(graph|scope) in bewilderment 16.30.37 # well.. we have (like the germans) more articles too... 16.30.39 # Also not to be confused with (e.g.) the Spanish who have two surnames. 16.30.40 # not only "the" 16.30.46 # but "de", "het" and "een" 16.30.51 # like hola hola hola cocacola motorola 16.31.41 # Damn germanic languages 16.31.54 # english is part of it 16.31.56 # * t0mas wonders what to do when a spanish guy has 2 the same surnames... 16.32.03 # Guan Pablo 2Carlos 16.32.08 # or Guan Pablo Carlos^2 16.32.10 # they just call it once 16.32.14 Quit needleboy () 16.32.18 # illogical :P 16.32.37 # There must be a rule that two people with the same surname can't procreate. 16.32.39 # swedish sometimes take both names too 16.32.56 # yeah, Dutch females have 2 names too sometimes... 16.33.02 # after mariage... 16.33.05 # here to in suckerland 16.33.28 # like "Sanne de Boer-Haverkamp" 16.33.31 # to name someone :) 16.34.01 # like klingons to 16.34.04 # We should just assing people a unique identifier and be done with it. 16.34.13 # like 0x093872348 ? 16.34.15 # the best is the hash 16.34.15 # None of this name-business. 16.34.25 # t0mas: I like your thinking 16.34.26 # md5 of you DNA ;) 16.34.30 # *your 16.34.43 # that will be nice in pronounciation... 16.35.06 # You'll most likely only need the last couple of digits in daily life 16.35.23 # ok... let's get the nerdy talk started: 16.35.35 # Like "Seven" from "Seven of nine" ? ;) 16.35.52 # for any human a unique prime number 16.35.55 # we should make it birth place dependant... 16.36.13 # Isn't the "MajorChanges" page what the Rockbox Digest was for? 16.36.17 Quit youngcereal (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.36.18 # areacode-parent1-parent2-N 16.36.23 # and N being the child number :P 16.36.37 # that will grow like hell... 16.36.39 # That won't scale 16.36.59 # but continent-country-number 16.37.00 # might be nice 16.37.10 # as you can assume people speak some language from their name :P 16.37.20 # but it'll make it quite a bit easier to build family-trees 16.37.33 # and you can isolate people easily... if we ever start a new world war ;) 16.37.46 # A noble goal. 16.37.49 Quit imphasing ("another reboot...") 16.37.56 # yeah, but in world war 4 we don't need no names anymore 16.37.57 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 16.38.16 # Aaaanyway. 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I just noticed the the "enter key not working in sim" bug got fixed. 17.10.23 Join youngcereal [0] (n=youngcer@p54B24137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.10.31 # I submitted a patch some days ago to the tracker, would be nice if somebody could close this. 17.10.41 # its located here: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4734 17.10.42 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fcc18.f.strato-dslnet.de) 17.21.57 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 17.22.20 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 17.22.22 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 17.23.23 Quit SereR0kR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.32 Quit quobl ("Leaving") 17.43.29 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 17.50.33 # Hello... 17.53.05 # I have a question about Flyspray: I have attached a patch to a Bug report, it fixes the reported error at least for one platform. Is this enough for the Task to be closed? Or should I put the patch up to the Patch tracker? 17.55.05 # einhirn, the task will likely be closed if and when the patch is comitted 17.55.13 # and flyspray is the patch track now as far as I know 17.56.18 # tasks can be of type Bugs or Patches though 17.56.20 # Flyspray is the patch tracker - only that the Patch is now assigned to a Task Type "Bug" 17.56.37 # s/assigned/attached/ 17.57.46 # What's the URL? 17.58.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/2839 17.59.20 Quit youngcereal (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.59.47 # One option would be to turn that task into a patch. 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Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 18.55.36 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.01.00 Join petur [0] (i=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.02.10 Quit youngcereal (Remote closed the connection) 19.02.54 Join youngcereal [0] (n=youngcer@p54B24137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.20.45 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-fb9d8d42fa6dccf0) 19.21.23 Join Nico [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 19.21.35 Nick Nico is now known as Nico_P (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 19.27.03 # i played a bit w/ rockbox today, you guys really rock 19.27.15 # i felt in love with my ipod ;\ 19.27.21 # haha 19.27.28 # yes, it does really make it actually usable 19.27.34 # clearly 19.27.51 # i hated the itunesdb stuff 19.28.09 # plus having more support for different audio formats rocks 19.28.47 # i hope it will perhaps be able to play some other video files too 19.31.47 # I need to figure out how to get doom when I get home 19.32.35 Join t0mas [0] (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 19.32.49 # preglow: want to write the profiling parser for ARM? :-P 19.33.43 # preglow: I've got some semi-burst read about 80% working on the I2C driver, reduces the i2c traffic by numbytesperread-1 bytes 19.34.24 Join coob [0] (i=pen0r@host-84-9-63-253.bulldogdsl.com) 19.35.57 # oooh 19.36.06 # but no, i'm busy with other work right now 19.36.34 # I tried more agressive timing approaches and got shotdown at each attempt so I had to go the less fancy but hopefully nice any way route. 19.37.00 # semi-burst, btw? 19.37.45 # well the driver in CVS does: select device addr, send byte addr, read byte addr for each byte. Most devices (well certainly the pcf5060X) support send device addr, send byte addr, read read read read read mode. 19.38.23 # yeah 19.38.41 # no idea about how to do real burst reads? 19.39.02 # preglow: I've tried a couple of things in hopes of getting burst reads as well to no avail. 19.39.45 # do you think a burst read would write 4 bytes per longword address in memory or 1? I was assuming one, because that's how burst write works, and was getting nuthin' 19.40.14 # i'd pretty much assume 1 as well 19.40.24 # anything faster than that sounds unrealistic 19.40.39 # yeah, no hits yet... not giving up though. 19.40.55 # meby 400kps 19.41.20 # youngcereal: the real device speed isn't even something we're dealing with, because the pp5020 has an internal I2C controller that manages that 19.41.36 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 19.43.11 # not all 19.43.15 # its steps 19.43.46 # sekend i search and resd 19.44.30 # read 19.46.16 # no on the pp5020 is nothing about speed 19.46.49 # in the year 2ooo is 400kps and 10 bit standart to all i2c 19.47.10 # 10bit are only use by more then bblalalalo devices 19.47.23 # i dont know how many 19.48.09 # or 2 i2c controler in one system 19.48.44 # but in system is a speed up to 400kps 19.49.22 # its like scsi if a device not so fast than not the system step down only for this device 19.49.46 # sorry to interrupt your poetry a bit but 19.49.55 # is sm1 working on a itunesdb parser atm ? 19.50.26 Join banan_ [0] (i=banan@dalink.campus.luth.se) 19.50.27 # kclaf, there's a patch or two floating around that parses the itunesdb 19.50.43 # oh k, didnt know about it, thanks 19.51.24 # kclaf, http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4771 19.51.46 # lostlogic: do you understand ?? 19.52.40 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@87.193.20.75) 19.52.44 Quit darkless (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.52.44 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.52.44 Quit qwm_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 19.53.42 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 19.53.42 NJoin darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48) 19.53.42 NJoin qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h136n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 19.56.08 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.57.35 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@12-210-82-91.client.insightBB.com) 20.02.42 Join webguest13 [0] (n=d8ba3586@labb.contactor.se) 20.03.08 # youngcereal: yes, I understnad about the speed of i2c but that doesn't help or change anything because all we are doing is telling the pp5020 i2c controller "go read a byte from this device" and similar. 20.04.17 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 20.04.46 # not correkt 20.04.58 # where ist the i2c in pp5020 20.05.04 # ? 20.05.33 # or better what is pp5020 20.05.36 # ? 20.05.58 Quit darkless (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.05.58 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.05.58 Quit qwm_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 20.06.09 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 20.06.09 NJoin darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48) 20.06.09 NJoin qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h136n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.06.14 # pp5020 is the central chip in the ipod 4 and 5g, it has an i2c controller. 20.06.46 # so unlike the iRiver devices, we don't manually control the i2c timing of reads and writes, we instead just tell the pp5020 what tor ead and what to write and then read the results from memory addresses 20.07.21 # not correct 20.07.33 Quit merbanan (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.07.48 # pp5020 is a SoC how where a System on Chip 20.08.23 # and it is not the i2c with that you talk 20.08.29 # ist slave not master 20.08.34 # no, you are wrong. 20.08.35 # it is the master. 20.09.03 # it's where absoludly nonsens 20.09.10 # and i have testet ;) 20.10.05 # think what make pcf5060x and the pp5020 and than tell me way i have in one system many chip functions double 20.10.45 # pp5020 is only the register and the processor 20.10.48 # youngcereal: the pcf50605 can operate in either slave or master mode, the pp5020 is the CPU of the system, so it is the master for all i2c devices in the system. 20.10.51 # you are wrong again 20.11.09 # please do some more research, read more code, understand what you are talking about before you come in here telling me that I am wrong. 20.12.52 # im silent but think what is a sin of 2 rtc clocks 2 adc ( where you speek with the pcf) if all in the pp5020 20.12.57 # and more 20.13.11 # :| 20.13.15 # what is he talking about? 20.13.52 # youngcereal: the adc and rtc are in the pcf5060X, and are read via the I2C bus by the pp5020 20.14.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.15.16 # is this a good idear if i build a system i never do this 20.15.51 # i need more battery more cpu and its more to debug (errors) 20.17.36 # You might want to give more credit to the engineers who make these things rather than brashly assuming that they dont' know what they are doing. You are a beginning programmer and they are professional engineers -- they may not be perfect, but they probably don't do things without good reason. 20.19.31 # lostlogic: Somehow even I doubt that somewhat... 20.19.48 # s/Somehow/Sometimes/ 20.19.59 # that is what i say 20.20.33 # amiconn: sigh. 20.20.36 # Not on this particular issue (I don't know much about the iPod, and PP docs aren't freely available), 20.21.27 # but I can name a few silly design details in many of our targets 20.21.28 # think like sherlok holmes 20.21.43 # if take all what not is out 20.21.59 # only whats there is correkt what ever it is 20.22.06 # :) 20.22.33 # aha! finally reproduced the list issue in the sim 20.22.38 # it's related to font size 20.23.34 # Font size, display size and list position, yes, but I was not able to recognise a pattern 20.24.18 # lostlogic: why do you give my idear no chance, only i want to help 20.25.12 # youngcereal: you can ask the ipodlinux people about it... 20.25.13 # i m a beginning programmer but i have lernt a lection how not know if you not find a error kill all and look from a other side 20.26.48 # i think ipl dont know that its no documentation of the chip 20.27.00 # Is there no better way to determine the max height of a font then to use getstringsize? 20.27.37 # no 20.28.04 # lostlogic: I dont't fight with you, i will play and learn ;) 20.28.19 # youngcereal: I'm open to ideas, but you are asserting as fact thigns which are patently false. 20.28.39 # what ? 20.28.43 # im interesst 20.28.44 Join SuperTCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-250-47.dsl.pipex.com) 20.29.21 # moment i have a idear 20.29.27 # to see logic 20.29.39 # @ H300 devs: Do we want to happily coexist with the original firmware and fix the year issue, or do we prefer to stay clean and live with the original firmware resetting our year? 20.30.21 Nick banan_ is now known as merbanan (i=banan@dalink.campus.luth.se) 20.30.22 # My fix would be to offset by 36 years so the leap years would work correctly (unlike in the iriver firmware which offsets by 35 years) 20.30.42 # That'd mean the year would be one off in original firmware, but would not be reset everytime 20.34.00 # lostlogic: look what the pp5020 do in the sheet 20.34.05 # I'm not a H300 dev, but that solution sounds completely sensible to me. 20.34.44 # lostlogic: and than all other ships 20.34.57 # youngcereal: all we have on it is the product brief 20.35.05 # okay, weirdly the remote works fine... but it's the same logic... hrrm... 20.35.22 # what it do 20.35.38 # safetydan: The remote has a different height... 20.36.21 # amiconn, I was at least hoping the bug would be consistent though and affect both since it's the same drawing code 20.36.44 Join herz42 [0] (n=herz42@p549FD18C.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.37.39 # safetydan: The sdl sim crash when playback can't cope also happens on linux 20.37.45 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 20.37.53 # Fatal signal: Segmentation Fault (SDL Parachute Deployed) 20.37.53 # *** glibc detected *** corrupted double-linked list: 0xb7ea6898 *** 20.38.16 # safetydan, were you able to reproduce it with other plugins than the ones I mentioned earlier today? 20.38.55 # I just fired up the sim, started playing an mp3, and the ran oscilloscope. 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Not sure about all these small-scale processors and what they're capable of.... 20.54.39 # :) 20.55.07 # I'll get back to work now... thx! 20.55.10 Part FingerSoup 21.02.40 Quit Nico_P () 21.04.19 # gah, I can't believe that the 'real names' debate is still going on. 21.04.39 # what's the name of the thread in case i wanted to read it? 21.04.50 # "Signing off" by gl 21.05.09 # real names? 21.05.24 # what about them? 21.05.34 # Rockbox requires contributors real names to credit contributions 21.05.41 # some people want to submit without giving their real names 21.06.13 # what's that good for? 21.06.41 # Anyone have any idea which is more efficient - a 256 case switch statement using inline functions, or a lookup table of function pointers? 21.07.36 # i'd guess pointers, but it probably depends 21.09.26 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h136n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 21.11.10 # in case his patch was really great could someone pick it up and submit it with his own real name? 21.11.23 # second his = someone 21.11.55 # linuxstb: I guess that if the 256 cases are contiguous efficiency will be very similar 21.12.28 # gcc normally uses lookup tables for large switch statements with not too sparse values 21.12.54 # The function pointer lookup table is probably easier to write 21.13.19 # I'm looking to optimise a z80 emulator, and was wondering if that was an issue - it's currently using function pointers. 21.14.01 # Optimising rockboy? 21.14.08 # No, a Pacman emulator. 21.14.29 # hmm 21.14.45 # z80... graphing calculator for rockbox. whee! 21.14.48 # Different question: Do you have an idea why voice doesn't work on iPod? 21.15.37 # I've never tried it. I've sort-of been waiting for all the general swcodec issues to be fixed before trying to find any ipod-specific problems. 21.15.53 # nothing has come to mind that is different for voice between different swcodec machines 21.16.07 # it's especially weird that it breaks all audio when it's enabled 21.16.31 # I'm still working on getting playback to not be skippy with peakmeter and rtc and battery status enabled before I go back to playback stuff 21.16.33 # endian? 21.16.39 # Well, iPod is little endian, unlike the other targets 21.17.00 # The clip position table is stored as big endian 21.17.04 # know, that's why i'm wondering 21.17.07 # (in the voicefile) 21.17.27 # AFAIK, no-one has done any changes to the voice code for the iPods. 21.17.28 # i've got an efficient byteswap routine for ipod here 21.17.32 # four instructions 21.17.47 # preglow: Place it in system.h ... 21.17.55 # i've done it, i just haven't tested it 21.18.02 # since i don't know of anything that does endian swapping 21.18.04 # Try a WAV file... 21.18.09 # I mean an AIFF file... 21.18.11 # decent example 21.18.11 # heh 21.18.14 # wouldn't it make more sense to build the voice files with little endian for little endian targets? 21.18.24 # Mikachu: yes, one day 21.18.27 # It would 21.18.41 # it would however make voice files device dependent 21.18.41 # That'll probably come with l10n v2 21.18.44 # but that'll happen anyway 21.18.49 # when we support speex for voice ui, for example 21.18.52 # damn, i thought i was smart 21.18.52 # preglow: speex? 21.19.01 # i'd just simply love that 21.19.09 # i just wish speex was more fixed point 21.19.44 # i wonder if we shouldn't make a fixed point library 21.19.54 # don't see any byte or bitwise operations that would break with different endianness for voice mixing 21.20.08 # voice mixing shouldn't depend on endiannes 21.20.15 # What does the #ifdef SIMULATOR do in like 176 of talk.c ? 21.20.21 # s/like/line/ 21.20.56 # Shouldn't that be #ifdef ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN ? 21.21.10 # it's funny that he doesn't want to use his real name because he doesn't want to get sued, but that that's also your reason for wanting his name 21.24.38 # i'm subpoenaing him as we speak 21.29.45 # can't he just make up a real name? ;) 21.30.05 # linuxstb: Indeed. Same in line 199 21.32.34 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp90-adsl-36.ath.forthnet.gr) 21.33.23 Join webguest49 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 21.33.35 # ep0ch: someone suggested that too :) 21.33.53 # my name is in the credits file, but there are probably about 500 people in sweden with my name 21.34.17 # That certainly doesn't hold true for everyone 21.34.18 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-235.VIC.netspace.net.au) 21.34.26 # i know 21.34.37 # I don't think there is anyone with my name 21.34.51 # http://kerneltrap.org/node/3180 has some explanation from Linus (Torvalds) of why Linux doesn't allow anonymous contributions 21.35.21 # pause if flakey as a leper(sp?) colony on ipod. 21.35.38 # is? 21.35.41 # markun, except yourself 21.35.49 # leper appears to be the correct spelling 21.35.58 # tucoz: ah yes, forgot about me :) 21.36.06 # but the disease is called 'leprosy' 21.36.24 # lostlogic: pause seems ok to me, its 'stop' that is flakey :) 21.37.53 # oh no i take that back, i've just figured out how to stop :) 21.38.00 # i haven't 21.38.08 # hold pause down for a second or two 21.38.10 # other than by changing wps 21.38.16 # lostlogic: The problem is lack of buttons. Pause is a short press and release on PLAY/PAUSE, Stop is a long press, and shutdown is a very long press. Which isn't ideal, but I can't think of anything better. 21.38.35 # double click pause to stop? 21.38.37 # i changed shutdown to select+play after i turned off twice when scrolling around in a jpeg 21.38.58 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 21.39.37 # I heard something about color jpeg support..is this true? 21.39.38 # :) 21.39.45 # * imphasing is cvs upping now 21.39.46 # it would be nice if fbuttons were consistent. E.g. to start the ipod its 'select' to shutdown it should be hold down 'select'? 21.39.46 # It's been true for a while. 21.39.59 # imphasing: yaeh it works fine 21.40.00 # linuxstb: Damn, I'm behind the times.. 21.40.03 # s/fbuttons/buttons 21.40.19 # Who wrote the jpeg decoding? 21.40.24 # imphasing: A lot has changed... 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 21.54.51 # lostlogic? 21.55.05 Join robin_ [0] (n=robin@debian.demon.nl) 21.55.15 # me hates it... 21.56.02 Ctcp Ignored 1 CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.56.02 Ctcp Version from freenode-connect!freenode@freenode/bot/connect 21.56.03 *** Server message 477: 'logbot_ #RockBox :[freenode-info] if you need to send private messages, please register: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg' 21.57.12 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.57.32 # * Mikachu does the freenode dance 21.58.10 # oh i2c update 21.58.31 # lostlogic? 21.58.41 # petur: weird -- I dno't have any silent waves to test with, looking for one 22.01.04 # made a silent wav to test 22.01.35 # ep0ch: let me know if it improves thigns -- I still can't play realtime with peakmeter on my own WPS but it's closer. 22.02.30 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.03.49 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d007253.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.06.18 # lostlogic: i don't use the peakmeter and i can't see any difference yet 22.09.18 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@72.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 22.09.19 Join Thus0_ [0] (n=Thus0@72.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 22.10.13 # ep0ch: hehe, difference would just be better performance 22.10.26 # petur: yes, I get those periodic peaks on a blank wav file as well. very weird. 22.10.45 # phew 22.11.01 # have already downloaded a bleeding, reset my settings,... 22.11.13 # lostlogic: i was hoping it was going to solve the scrollwheel killing playback while in menus :D 22.11.50 # lostlogic: as I don't get that during recording, it must come from the pcm playback 22.11.53 # petur: I probably caused it, so I'll look into it. 22.12.09 # ROLO working on ipod? 22.12.22 # ep0ch: No. 22.12.41 Join Thus0__ [0] (n=Thus0@72.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 22.12.44 Quit Thus0__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.12.50 Join Thus0__ [0] (n=Thus0@72.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 22.14.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.14.58 Join Thus1 [0] (n=Thus0@72.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 22.14.58 *** Alert Mode level 1 22.14.58 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0 22.14.58 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0_ 22.14.58 *** Alert Mode level 2 22.14.58 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0__ 22.14.58 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus1 22.14.58 *** Alert Mode level 3 22.16.43 # hmm... something to do with wrapping the pcm buffer? frequency is consistent with that, but why would the peakmeter care about wrapping the pcmbuffer? 22.17.13 # and if there is a wrap problem in the buffer code, how have we not seen this on non-silent audio 22.18.03 # make zip 22.18.11 # dumb me 22.18.23 # make: *** No rule to make target `zip'. Stop. 22.19.10 # anybody tried to activate the cop for increasing processing power? 22.19.18 # I'm fixing more recording peakmeter stuff: peak values get reset by the routine that calculates them, not the one that fetches them, so peak data can get lost 22.19.49 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.20.46 # the peaks code must be reading past the end of the current buffer, which is only a problem when it's wrapping. 22.21.01 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.22.50 # herz42: ipodlinux does it, but no-one's used it in Rockbox. 22.23.27 # ok, then I'll look there... 22.23.46 Quit b0br ("CGI:IRC") 22.23.59 Join quobl__ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-a895ddd8669cf1ce) 22.24.09 # how does the nano screen feel? 22.24.15 # im considering changing my 5g ofr a nano 22.24.59 *** Alert Mode OFF 22.25.14 # petur: fixed 22.25.20 # :) 22.26.03 Quit cs_weasel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.26.15 # going to commit now or later? 22.26.48 Quit Thus0 (Nick collision from services.) 22.26.54 Nick Thus1 is now known as Thus0 (n=Thus0@72.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 22.26.54 DBUG Enqueued KICK Thus0 22.27.14 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 22.27.46 Quit Thus0_ (Connection timed out) 22.28.58 # petur: committed 22.29.10 # so when my ipod says "do not disconnect", and i think, f*ck it and disconnect, does like something bad happen? 22.29.13 # was an off by one 22.29.23 # ep0ch: as long as it's actually unmounted int he OS, no 22.29.32 # ep0ch: if it's still moutned in the OS, you could lose data 22.29.35 # thats alright then 22.29.41 # tsss.. but why thank me, you fixed it ;) 22.29.53 # i thought i was gonna zap the battery or something 22.29.53 # ep0ch: if you're on linux you could do eject /dev/sda 22.29.56 # petur: because I wouldn't have noticed ... ever... otherwise 22.30.16 # Mikachu: yeah i can be very lazy though :) 22.30.17 # ep0ch: and in windows i think there's a 'safe eject' button in the tray 22.30.29 # ep0ch: eject automatically umounts so it's not more to type 22.30.53 # dont think it does on FreeBSD though 22.30.55 # I wouldn't either, I was comparing recording peaks with playback peaks of the recording - thought it was a bug in my part :D 22.31.02 # ah, dunno about freebsd 22.31.06 # :) 22.32.39 Quit Thus0__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.33.38 # ep0ch: that's the only way i ever disconnect it 22.33.46 # ep0ch: it never says "lolrofl, ok, disconnect me" in linux 22.34.00 # (unless you eject) 22.34.28 # yeah eject gets rid of that screen and back into the menus 22.40.59 Join roolku [0] (n=5229e4e4@labb.contactor.se) 22.42.23 Part lods 22.42.46 Ctcp Ignored 5 channel CTCP requests in 11 minutes and 56 seconds at the last flood 22.42.46 # * amiconn now has an oscilloscope with switchable orientation 22.45.00 # petur/lostlogic: I just saw the peak on blank file comments - could this bug be related to the problem: http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4782 - see comment 22.46.14 # looks like it... 22.47.37 # nite 22.47.39 Quit Bger ("[BX] I got sucked into /dev/null!") 22.50.01 Quit roolku ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.54.26 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 22.54.43 # is rockdoom functional on 5G's? 22.58.37 # lostlogic: does battery display work for you? my battery shows only 1.54V after getting the latest cvs changes 22.59.14 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.01.55 # herz42: yeah, it works here -- you're a 4g ipod? 23.01.57 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-084.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.02.10 # no, 5g 23.02.14 # oh. weird. 23.02.41 # how is the battery polling coming along on the ipods? 23.02.51 # herz42: wonder if you had a conflict in the config-ipodvideo file? 23.02.55 # hda to change the scale factor? 23.02.58 # or did I forget that file maybe 23.03.10 # lostlogic: are you sure you fixed the peaks issue, it still looks weird here 23.03.11 # I saw. its 23xx now 23.03.31 # herz42: should be 58xx IIRC 23.03.31 # amiconn, tucoz, I think I've fixed that list issue 23.03.44 # ahh, then you forgot ;) 23.03.52 # herz42: ok, I'll get it in a minute 23.03.59 # thanks 23.09.48 # ugha 23.10.37 # markun: The text viewer assumes max. 256 glyphs. Not true with unicode support... 23.11.57 Join webguest79 [0] (n=acc858e6@labb.contactor.se) 23.13.21 # crashd: it's fine -- i2c is slow as a dog though... I've tried all three of the 'reasonable' settings for the battery ADC now, and I think have settled on the 10bit full range one. 23.13.30 # herz42: committed 23.13.47 Quit webguest79 (Client Quit) 23.14.15 # lostlogic: saw my remark? peakmeter still does weird things :( 23.14.53 # lostlogic: cool, is that in cvs builds then? 23.15.12 # when build is completed, yes 23.15.41 # petur: define weird 23.15.50 # petur: I tested with that change and silence was pleasantly silent 23.15.56 # hmmm 23.16.18 # it still does the cyclic thing here 23.17.35 # hha, my fix did nothing 23.17.58 # petur: check this out: shut down the ipod completely, boot it up, and then play silence, the nplay music, then play silence 23.18.16 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 23.18.21 # because it picks up some garbage 23.18.29 # yah 23.18.40 # that's some fecked up sheet. 23.18.41 # depending on what I do, I get different peak behaviour 23.19.34 # define 23.19.43 # preglow: how's the audio codecs on the nano ? 23.19.48 # as in, performance and such 23.20.21 # Should be the same on all 4g+ iPods afaik 23.20.21 # lostlogic: l/r not same amplitude and different amplitude when the cyclic thing happens 23.20.35 # amiconn: thanks 23.20.46 # ive got a 5g but im thinking of scaling back to a nano to pickup some extra cash 23.21.10 # crashd: okish 23.21.13 # crashd: flac's fast, as usual 23.21.19 Quit youngcereal ("... und tschüß") 23.21.23 # crashd: wavpack ok, musepack ok, the rest is on the slower side 23.21.25 # petur: hmph 23.21.30 # hmmm 23.21.33 Part gracchus 23.21.36 # all work, though 23.21.40 # amiconn: I'll commit a fixed viewer soon 23.21.50 # might have to procure a nano to test on first 23.22.15 # preglow: is'nt that exactly the same as 5g though!? 23.22.17 # crashd: that is, they're just as fast as on 5g 23.22.21 # ahh 23.22.21 # no difference there 23.22.21 # right. 23.22.26 # nano == 5g, more or less 23.22.27 # the hardware is nealry identical 23.22.30 # hardware is almost exactly the same 23.22.32 # ive found mp3 on the 5g to be fairly reasonable 23.22.36 # preglow: ::highfive:: 23.22.39 # hehe 23.22.41 # havent had any pops, clicks or glitches as yet 23.23.56 # yeah, except the nano has a smaller screen, flash instead of a hd, oh and no big fat broadcom chip :) 23.24.23 # heh 23.24.36 # i dont really want a nano, but i dont have any good reason for a 5g 23.25.14 Join Spin123 [0] (i=WinNT@mitan.plus.com) 23.25.19 # hey ppl 23.25.28 # coob: you work on ipl right? 23.25.32 # can any1 help me with Rockboy?? 23.26.00 # Wheh, speed display now also works in vertical mode. 23.26.03 # lostlogic: yes. 23.26.16 # Only thing left is saving settings :) 23.26.51 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 23.26.55 Join youngcereal [0] (n=youngcer@p54B24137.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 23.27.04 # coob: see my i2c driver stuff today? might be worth porting back 23.27.15 # nope? whats new? 23.27.28 # ah 23.27.30 # * coob reads 23.28.09 # I'm sure there's more to be gained but this is at least enough that updating the RTC and battery status regulrarly doesn't EAT audio playback :-P 23.30.12 Quit Spin123 ("-=SysReset 2.53=-") 23.30.41 # lostlogic: I'm pretty sure that Linux doesn't read the hardware RTC, apart from at startup via the hwclock command. 23.31.13 # linuxstb: yes, but porting the functions needed to calculate a time in seconds from the RTC and dealing with that was out of scope for this week :-P 23.31.31 # Yes, I don't even want to think about that... 23.32.09 # I tried it for a while -- gave up when it started telling me I needed to get the gnulib localtime_r function in order to do the conversion 23.32.37 # Well, time calculation up to days is simple (disregarding leap seconds ) 23.32.57 # The problem starts with month lengths and leap years 23.33.34 # We might need that if we want to implement auto-dst 23.33.52 Quit markun (Read error: 54 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.34.12 # yeah, I didn't want to do it half-assed, and didn't have the patience to import all the right functions, so I gave up... it's definitely doable though. 23.34.40 # I haven't checked it myself, but I read somewhere that the Apple firmware in the 5g ipod (and maybe the Nano) store the date in UTC. 23.34.41 # offtime.c and mktime.c are what I started with, then comes the localtime_r from gnulib part that sounded daunting 23.34.42 # I wouldn't import something from linux for this, as it's probably more complicated than what we need 23.34.54 # I would write the conversion from scratch 23.35.15 Join markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 23.35.27 # We don't need to convert between timezones 23.36.02 # amiconn: I think you'd just end up with it being incorrect if you don't take most of what's in glibc, timezone is just an addition of a fixed number of seconds between -12*3600 and 12*3600, that's the easy part 23.37.10 # It's not too difficult to do, even calculating the day-of-week from the current date isn't 23.37.55 # I wrote a tiny basic program for my old basic programmable calculator long long ago 23.38.20 Join hcl_ [0] (i=hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) 23.38.38 # amiconn: actually, the part that I couldn't get working properly was the part that goes from RTC time to time in seconds 23.38.43 # That beast had 10KB of RAM and a 4 bit CPU 23.38.46 # the from seconds to RTC time part worked easily 23.39.14 Quit hcl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.40.55 Quit dpassen1 () 23.44.19 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 23.48.27 Join webguest007 [0] (n=51b27edd@labb.contactor.se) 23.49.06 Quit webguest007 (Client Quit) 23.54.52 Join pit_ [0] (n=pit@Vaba9.v.pppool.de) 23.57.14 # Hmm, no Linus :/ 23.57.47 # gl must have found his home address ;)