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00.03.35 #       <stripwax> evenin
00.05.53 #       <stripwax> linuxstb - thanks for committing my patch by the way!   I haven't tested it out on my H120 yet, I'm tweaking the colormap right now
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00.14.04 #       <stripwax> linuxstb_ - think I've just found a bug in the color->gray conversion in pacbox.  two ticks just to check my hunch..
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00.16.49 #       <JdGordon> if any1 is interested... the colinux hdd image is 140mb self extracting 7-zip.. ill upload it at uni in abuot 90min
00.18.06 #       <stripwax> linuxstb_ - yeah.  found it.  rgb_to_gray takes in 'int'  (should really be unsigned char) but it was being passed the full 24-bit color value so the mapping was junk.
00.18.42 #       <stripwax> Bingo.
00.19.27 #       <stripwax> needs another tweak still else the maze walls come out black :-)
00.20.54 #       <midk> JdGordon, cool :)
00.23.44 #       <midk> hey, XavierGr?
00.24.00 #       <cs_weasel> just adds to the challenge
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00.25.53 #       <sharpe> wheee
00.26.08 #       <midk> sharpe!
00.26.50 #       <stripwax> cs_weasel - heh
00.27.04 #       <sharpe> yes! it's me!
00.27.27 #       <sharpe> i'm going to get to fixing up the zip code after im finished with this stuff...
00.28.41 #       <midk> sharpe, cool :)
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00.30.10 #       <sharpe> and if anyone thinks of anything else i can add to the plugin other than decompression, feel free to suggest...
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00.30.34 #       <midkay> sharpe, did you consider packaged wps files?
00.30.52 #       <sharpe> haven'
00.30.58 #       <sharpe> t gotten to them yet :)
00.31.12 #       <midkay> hooray! :)
00.31.31 #       <cs_weasel> is there a way to get the position of your finger on the scroll wheel?  if so, using that for controlling would be nicer than having to push the buttons
00.31.47 #       <cs_weasel> i sometimes fat finger em and bump out to the menu (menu+select) :)
00.31.49 #       <midkay> cs_weasel, there is in a patch.. 
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00.32.25 #       <cs_weasel> i haven't quite gotten the hang of pacbox like I do on the real thing :)
00.32.28 #       <linuxstb_> stripwax: Looking forward to the patch...
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00.32.58 #       <cs_weasel> maybe also an option to flip the display in the other direction
00.33.29 #       <sharpe> gah, still going to need like 30 minutes...
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00.34.59 #       <linuxstb> cs_weasel: Yes, I want to implement a "left-handed" option for pacbox.  
00.35.10 #       <linuxstb> I'm currently trying to get Ms. Pacman working though...
00.35.39 #       <cs_weasel> I'd actually consider it the right-handed :) for those of us who grew up working a d-pad with their left thumb
00.36.03 #       <sharpe> left handed option?
00.36.04 #       <cs_weasel> oh carry on with ms. pacman
00.36.15 #       <cs_weasel> that'll be awesome
00.36.22 #       <sharpe> i'm left handed...
00.37.14 #       <linuxstb> cs_weasel: OK, I'll be careful what I call the option then...
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00.43.23 #       <stripwax> linuxstb - yeah, shouldn't be long now.  just tweaking some more
00.49.08 #       <stripwax> linuxstb - www.beermex.com/pacbox.patch
00.49.18 #       <stripwax> fixes the palette bug, and tweaks the colormap also.
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00.52.13 #       <stripwax> http://www.beermex.com/pacbox.gif
00.52.40 #       <stripwax> ugh.  that gif is dithered ;   I haven't coded the dither yet  ;-)
00.52.50 #       <stripwax> guess that's what I should do next ;-)
00.53.53 #       <stripwax> ok, gotta go.
00.54.32 #       <nudel> hah that looks cool :)
00.54.52 #       <stripwax> yeh, it doesn't look quite that cool on the h120!
00.55.19 #       <stripwax> ok gnight
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00.55.23 #       <nudel> having it running at all is impressive :)
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00.59.24 #       <sharpe> hey midkay, i think i'm about to get started..
00.59.32 #       <midkay> sharpe, on what?
00.59.52 #       <sharpe> fixing up the zip
00.59.53 #       <sharpe> thing
00.59.59 #       <midkay> sharpe, awesome :)
01.00.17 #       <sharpe> then if i have time, the packaged wps files...
01.00.29 #       <midkay> so... decompression, WPS detection, and tar/bz2/7z/rar files.
01.00.31 #       <midkay> sounds great.
01.00.33 #       <midkay> ;)
01.00.50 #       <sharpe> huh?
01.01.07 #       <midkay> huh?
01.01.22 #       <sharpe> you listed the things i haven't done yet...
01.01.29 #       <midkay> yes. do those and we're good.
01.01.33 #       <sharpe> oh
01.01.35 #       <sharpe> well
01.01.38 #       <sharpe> heh
01.01.44 #       <midkay> kidding of course. :)
01.01.47 #       <sharpe> you want to do the decompression? :)
01.02.14 #       <nudel> if anyone has code for creating (not just unpacking) rar archives i will seriously consider giving them oral pleasure
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01.02.55 #       <sharpe> that makes me scared.
01.03.12 #       <midkay> sharpe, if you're really not into it and you think it's a lot of work - you can post up an uncompressed unpacker at least and add decompression later or something..
01.03.13 #       <nudel> i'll, um, wear a blonde wig and stuff
01.03.33 #       <sharpe> heh, i'll probably end up doing that midkay
01.03.35 #       <midkay> nudel, well sharpe clearly doesn't want the oral pleasure, but if he doesn't mind maybe i can take it for him..
01.04.06 #       <nudel> i'd leave out supporting RAR... no reason to encourage people to use that god forsaken proprietary format that you cannot even pay to licence, other than a pretty awful decompression (only) library. :-/
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01.04.54 #       * nudel is sick of people complaining that Directory Opus can only unpack RAR archives and explaining it's because RARLabs seem to think it's clever that the whole world uses WinRAR and cannot intergrate the functionality into other apps :(
01.05.18 #       <sharpe> um, nudel, here's a c library that supports rar files... http://www.unrarlib.org/features.html
01.05.23 #       <sharpe> apparently...
01.05.25 #       <nudel> *un*rar lib :)
01.05.27 #       <nudel> it can't create them
01.05.35 #       <sharpe> mm
01.05.44 #       <sharpe> for some reason, i didn't notice the 'un' part
01.05.50 #       <nudel> hehe
01.06.17 #       <nudel> some people must've reverse engineered the format since a couple of older file managers can create rar archives, but they don't seem to have published the info :(
01.06.48 #       <nudel> i just with the format would die, but the warez world keeps it alive. anyway, gnight :)
01.06.53 #       <sharpe> lets make our own compressed archive format :D
01.07.13 #       <nudel> 7zip sounds good all round. good compression and open source.
01.07.28 #       <nudel> only problem is almost nobody uses it :)
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01.07.36 #       <sharpe> heh
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01.07.50 #       <sharpe> i think i used it for backups
01.07.55 #       <Bagder> well, they did miss a few things
01.08.03 #       <Bagder> it is clearly made for windows
01.08.44 #       <Bagder> if they'd make 7zip more similar to gzip or bzip2, I bet more people would use it
01.08.57 #       <Bagder> I mean usage-wise
01.09.09 #       * Bagder shuts up and goes to bed
01.09.20 #       <midkay> godnatt Bagder !!!  
01.09.34 #       <midkay> natti natti.
01.10.09 #       <sharpe> yay for different time zones
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01.10.51 #       <midkay> sharpe, stop this!!: < - < - < - < - (that's a mouth opening and closing) and do this 10101010101010101110101010101 (that's _code_)!!!!!
01.11.28 #       <sharpe> i don't code in binary... do you?
01.11.33 #       <midkay> no!!
01.11.49 #       <sharpe> i'm watching cartoons too...
01.12.06 #       <sharpe> i don't know why i picked 'sharpe' either
01.12.14 #       <midkay> haha/
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01.14.31 #       <sharpe> well, using that inline function saves .1kb...
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01.16.08 #       <sharpe> wait, i did something bad...
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01.17.27 #       <sharpe> wow. i saved 68 bytes by using inline functions.
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01.21.10 #       <midkay> sharpe, haha.
01.22.02 #       <sharpe> i just realized, like the geico commercial... "I saved 15 % on my car insurance by switching to Geico..." "I saved 2.84 % by switching to inline functions."
01.23.04 #       <midkay> hahaha
01.23.16 #       <midkay> afk for 1.5 hours.. movie. :)
01.23.56 #       <sharpe> whatever happened to the, 01010101010101010101?!
01.46.08 #       <imphasing> ahahahahahaha, 100101110100001111000111000111111
01.46.10 #       <imphasing> good times.
01.46.42 #       <sharpe> so far i've saved 128 bytes
01.47.05 #       <imphasing> Just use ASM..
01.47.06 #       <imphasing> :P
01.47.15 #       <sharpe> i'm not that pressed for space:)
01.47.25 #       <imphasing> What are yau writing?
01.47.28 #       <imphasing> er, you
01.47.59 #       <sharpe> fixing up my zip plugin that only handles uncompressed zips and can only extract the file
01.48.29 #       <imphasing> ah
01.48.48 #       <imphasing> I might just use libz to write a gzip module for rockbox..
01.48.51 #       <imphasing> :)
01.48.59 #       <sharpe> i will disown you.
01.49.02 #       <sharpe> ;)
01.49.05 #       <imphasing> hehehe
01.49.29 #       <imphasing> It probably wouldn't be hard to port libz over
01.49.32 #       <sharpe> eh
01.49.49 #       <sharpe> plugins don't use malloc :(
01.49.56 #       <imphasing> damnit
01.49.59 #       <imphasing> what do they use?
01.50.03 #       <sharpe> nothing...
01.50.08 #       <imphasing> :/
01.50.12 #       <sharpe> from what i've done so far, you can use the plugin buffer space
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01.50.21 #       <imphasing> damn
01.50.32 #       <sharpe> then you may be able to write a malloc-like function for that space, but i dunno
01.50.47 #       <sharpe> i haven't tried
01.51.12 #       <sharpe> only think i use it for is the 1kb buffer for extracting the zipped files...
01.51.14 #       <sharpe> thing
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01.52.07 #       <imphasing> Gah...someone asked me for a way to find the size of all the files in a directory
01.52.19 #       <imphasing> So I used ls -s
01.52.30 #       <sharpe> that a problem?
01.52.41 #       <imphasing> piped it to a grep, to another grep, to bc
01.52.51 #       <imphasing> I got the sizes all grepped out
01.52.58 #       <imphasing> then substituted the \n for +
01.53.01 #       <imphasing> then piped it into bc
01.53.03 #       <imphasing> hahaha...
01.53.05 #       <imphasing> <-- idiot
01.53.15 #       <sharpe> seems like...
01.53.26 #       <sharpe> such a long solution to such a simple problem...
01.53.33 #       <imphasing> yaeh
01.54.43 #       <sharpe> um
01.54.49 #       <sharpe> what to make smaller now?
01.57.03 #       <imphasing> er
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01.57.18 #       <sharpe> wow, i had no idea that's what the movie 'chicken little' was about...
01.57.54 #       <imphasing> haha..
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02.00.43 #       <sharpe> i need something to do...
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02.00.56 #       <sharpe> because, i always need something to do for some reason.
02.01.23 #       <JD|uni> doh!
02.01.36 #       <JD|uni> i left my usb cable at home, so i cant get the image off my iriver onto the comp :'(
02.01.55 #       <sharpe> quick! get five wires!
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02.04.45 #       <sharpe> ooo
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02.05.46 #       <sharpe> i'm... not sure that's the message nickelodeon wants to be showing to kids...
02.05.58 #       <JD|uni> ??
02.06.10 #       <sharpe> showed a clip from the simpsons
02.06.39 #       <sharpe> homer threatened to kill bart and his whole family after he set the end of the car down while it was partially off a cliff
02.07.11 #       <sharpe> kind of disturbing for nickelodeon...
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02.09.01 #       <sharpe> wow, i'm so bored...
02.10.38 #       <Paprica> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex
02.11.10 #       <sharpe> it seems so familiar.
02.11.11 #       <Paprica> write a contect to the plugins with the /!\
02.11.25 #       <sharpe> wha/
02.11.26 #       <sharpe> ?
02.12.12 #       <Paprica> i give you what to do =]
02.12.22 #       <Paprica> so if you will do somthing
02.12.35 #       <Paprica> you wont be bored
02.16.00 #       <sharpe> contect?
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02.21.17 #       <sharpe> ah... what file would have the source dealing with loading/applying .wps files?
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02.26.15 #       <JD|uni> gwps_common.c and gwps.c
02.26.19 #       <JD|uni> in apps/gui
02.26.43 #       <sharpe> thank you...
02.26.54 #       <sharpe> i found it once like a week ago but forgot about it
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03.01.55 #       <sharpe> yay...
03.09.00 #       <midkay> hey sharpe
03.09.58 #       <sharpe> 'lo
03.10.08 #       <sharpe> i'm looking into how i'd get the packaged wps files working
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03.10.33 #       <midkay> cool. you'll most definitely need to add something to the API.. i'd .. hmm.. that's a kind of tough one..
03.10.38 #       <midkay> (loading WPS')
03.10.39 #       <sharpe> heh
03.10.46 #       <sharpe> you and that api... har har...
03.11.04 #       <midkay> sharpe, oh, if you want to do it sans any API additions - good luck. :)
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03.11.31 #       <Ashex> Hey guys
03.12.27 #       <sharpe> hello, even though i've no idea who you are, hi!: )
03.12.42 #       <midkay> hey Ashex 
03.13.14 #       <Ashex> heh
03.13.23 #       <Ashex> 'tis X from iPodWizard
03.13.36 #       <sharpe> midkay, i'm trying to find what function calls... wps_data_load() apparently...
03.16.00 #       <sharpe> or whatever is associated with opening the file...
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03.21.20 #       <midkay> sharpe, ah.. hm
03.21.32 #       <midkay> i'd check probably tree.c to see what happens when a WPS file is selected..
03.21.36 #       <midkay> i think it's tree.c
03.21.48 #       <sharpe> gah
03.21.50 #       <sharpe> thank you
03.22.06 #       <sharpe> i think
03.22.54 #       <midkay> haha. wait.
03.26.12 #       <sharpe> hmm... i want to go see that one movie i just saw the commercial for, but instantly forgot it
03.26.16 #       <sharpe> oh
03.26.20 #       <sharpe> ice age : meltdown
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03.28.00 #       <sharpe> it's like... so difficult to find what happens when a .wps is selected in the file browser...
03.28.21 #       <midkay> haha
03.28.27 #       <midkay> sorry.. sec
03.28.32 #       <sharpe> :)
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03.29.14 #       <midkay> my head is killing me.. alright..
03.29.25 #       <sharpe> you know what that means...
03.30.54 #       <midkay> apps/filetree.c should have it.
03.31.17 #       <sharpe> wow, i have like 15 different source files open
03.31.19 #       <midkay> line 407 might be of interest
03.31.34 #       <sharpe> it feels like you're trying to point me in some direction...
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03.36.57 #       <sharpe> should there be a different extension? like, .wpz?
03.37.52 #       <midkay> sharpe, um. hm.
03.38.04 #       <sharpe> seems logical...
03.38.14 #       <midkay> that actually sounds rather nice.. but i'd probably say just keep it .zip
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03.38.22 #       <sharpe> aww...
03.38.25 #       <sharpe> lol
03.38.27 #       <midkay> because otherwise we'll probably get questions on "how do i make a wpz file?"
03.38.37 #       <sharpe> yeah...
03.38.41 #       <midkay> "how can i change the extension?"
03.39.00 #       <sharpe> but people may also ask, "how do i package my theme in a zip file?"
03.39.04 #       <midkay> "it's normal zip? i don't need a special program?" etc.. you know, those darn end-user things.. :)
03.39.23 #       <sharpe> heh...
03.39.32 #       <midkay> then it's a simple "zip it all".. not "zip it all but change the extension to wpz, you need to go in and do this and change that and then you can see the extensions and then you just rename it"..
03.39.43 #       <sharpe> lol
03.39.56 #       <sharpe> zip it all and put it in the plugins directory...
03.40.03 #       <sharpe> um...
03.40.08 #       <midkay> sharpe, huh? i'd say /wps :)
03.40.14 #       <sharpe> er
03.40.18 #       <sharpe> yeah, you know what i mean
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03.40.38 #       <midkay> yeah, that. :) i was thinking the problem may lie in loading bitmaps.. not sure how you plan to handle that if you already considered it or not..
03.40.54 #       <sharpe> eh, think people would mind... temporary files?
03.41.22 #       <midkay> sharpe, seems a bit logical.. relying on the plugin to load everything each time you boot might not be the best idea..
03.41.48 #       <sharpe> i mean, it'd be in like a permanent directory so as long as the theme isn't changed, it'd still point to that theme in the dir...
03.41.53 #       <midkay> maybe /.rockbox/temp could have the wps and bitmaps.. and just clear out that folder each time a new WPS is loaded from zip and extract everything there again
03.42.05 #       <sharpe> yay
03.42.11 #       <sharpe> my idea = your idea
03.42.14 #       <midkay> haha. :)
03.42.15 #       <sharpe> essentially
03.42.19 #       <midkay> cool :)
03.43.00 #       <sharpe> so... api function to load a wps file? :)
03.43.57 #       <sharpe> from what i see... have the function call these two,
03.43.57 #       <sharpe> wps_data_load(gui_wps[0].data, buf, true);
03.43.57 #       <sharpe> set_file(buf, (char *)global_settings.wps_file, MAX_FILENAME);
03.44.09 #       <sharpe> and that should work?
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03.45.16 #       <T3hBachel0r> very cool channel
03.49.01 #       <sharpe> with the respective arguments of course...
03.49.52 #       <midkay> sharpe, sorry, went afk - headache's killing me, had to get some advil.. um..
03.50.18 #       <sharpe> heh tis okay...
03.50.19 #       <midkay> yes, that seems right.. that would load it to memory, and then change the global setting to load that on boot..
03.50.34 #       <midkay> i believe
03.50.47 #       <sharpe> is it just me, or does advil taste like, sweet or something...
03.51.09 #       <midkay> it's delicious candy
03.51.17 #       <midkay> that's why advil > tylenol.
03.51.48 #       <sharpe> wonderful, wonderful ibuprofen...
03.52.03 #       <midkay> sharpe, so you know how to add that to the API?
03.52.10 #       <sharpe> me thinks
03.52.32 #       <midkay> k, you need g_wps.h and the function syntax is also in there (line 355)..
03.52.45 #       <sharpe> yeah, i've got that...
03.52.48 #       <midkay> set_file.. i dunno what that does exactly. might already be in there. if not, search the rockbox source dir for it..
03.53.04 #       <midkay> i don't know where that's used, i mean. i've never heard of it
03.53.15 #       <sharpe> heh, i suppose i should just add those two functions to the api, instead of writing a function to call both...
03.53.22 #       <midkay> i guess it loads files to settings (WPS, font, theme, config..)
03.53.33 #       <sharpe> what it seems like it does to me
03.53.36 #       <midkay> they both need to be in the API..
03.53.49 #       <midkay> unless the function is in plugin.c itself, i think that's a no-no.
03.53.54 #       <sharpe> well, that's easy enough then.
03.54.00 #       <sharpe> nah, i didn't mean it like that...
03.54.28 #       <sharpe> ah cool... global_settings is already in the api :)
03.55.01 #       <midkay> yep.. don't forget your rb-> :)
03.56.42 #       <sharpe> heh
03.57.13 #       <T3hBachel0r> hey is most of the PP502X known at this point?
03.57.28 #       <T3hBachel0r> i.e. is it known how to interface with usb and the other dual core processor
04.00.21 #       <sharpe> oh my god.
04.00.37 #       <midkay> T3hBachel0r, i'm not knowledgeable in the hardware stuff, but there's no USB mode in rockbox yet, so that seems unknown..
04.00.50 #       <sharpe> what did i just do...
04.00.55 #       <midkay> also only one core is being used ATM, so i'd assume that that's also something unknown.
04.00.59 #       <midkay> sharpe, huh?!?!?!>?!?!?!?!
04.01.03 #       <sharpe> :)
04.01.08 #       <T3hBachel0r> midkay: ahhh... 
04.01.23 #       <T3hBachel0r> midkay: gonna be interesting to see how the devs figure out how to use it
04.01.25 #       <sharpe> midkay: i've beat your compiler warning high score... 
04.02.00 #       <sharpe> two warnings for every file that includes "plugin.h"
04.03.05 #       <sharpe> :)
04.04.08 #       <sharpe> oh my...
04.05.38 #       <midkay> T3hBachel0r, yeah, trial and error i guess
04.05.44 #       <midkay> sharpe, hm? what are they?
04.05.55 #       <sharpe> lol, nothing big, working on it now
04.06.03 #       <sharpe> well
04.06.28 #       <sharpe> technically big, because it was for like, every file that included plugin.h... and that's apparantly a lot of files... so yeh...
04.06.39 #       <sharpe> the log of the compile would be big then.
04.07.08 #       <sharpe> ...
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04.07.54 #       <sharpe> okay, down to one warning.
04.08.26 #       <midkay> haha3
04.08.33 #       <midkay> what is it?
04.09.04 #       <sharpe> initialization from incompatible pointer type...
04.09.53 #       <midkay> line numbers?
04.09.59 #       <sharpe> eh, something i added...
04.10.02 #       <sharpe> trying to fix...
04.10.14 #       <midkay> alright
04.13.46 #       <sharpe> why... do i have a pointer to a pointer...?
04.13.59 #       <midkay> what?
04.14.05 #       <sharpe> i'm not sure...
04.14.12 #       <midkay> line numbers?
04.14.18 #       <sharpe> something i added also :)
04.14.28 #       <midkay> huh? are you asking for help or just thinking aloud? :)
04.14.35 #       <sharpe> thinking aloud
04.14.37 #       <sharpe> :D
04.14.51 #       <midkay> bah. humbugs. etc etc. :)
04.14.54 #       <sharpe> ahey, we may be in business...
04.15.53 #       <sharpe> yeah, that warning was from "struct gui_wps* (*gui_wps)"
04.16.12 #       <sharpe> i should just type this in notepad.
04.16.30 #       <midkay> ah
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04.16.42 #       <sharpe> eh, compiled with no errors...
04.16.50 #       <sharpe> nor warnings
04.17.36 #       <midkay> good, good
04.20.42 #       <sharpe> heh...
04.20.46 #       <sharpe> you know what'd be funny?
04.20.53 #       <midkay> hm?
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04.21.08 #       <sharpe> actually, not funny, but more like morbidly ironic...
04.21.20 #       <midkay> haha.
04.21.32 #       <sharpe> heheh...
04.21.39 #       <midkay> what?!
04.23.55 #       <sharpe> if somehow, my ipod ended up bricked because of it. :)
04.24.06 #       <sharpe> because, that's like nearly impossible to do...
04.24.09 #       <midkay> haha.
04.24.20 #       <midkay> as-is loading a WPS from a zip! hyaaaaa.
04.24.35 #       <sharpe> lol
04.24.41 #       <sharpe> but we shall see!
04.24.43 #       <sharpe> lol...
04.24.55 #       <midkay> i'm glad i'm not a tester!
04.25.02 #       <sharpe> oh... man... i am.
04.26.24 #       <midkay> hyaaa. exactly.
04.27.18 #       <sharpe> hmm
04.27.26 #       <sharpe> i'm just going to see if i could get this to work at firs
04.27.27 #       <sharpe> t
04.28.18 #       <midkay> yes.. the way i'd do it is just attempt to extract wps.wps from the root and move it to temp, and then load it from temp.. once that works, i'd try and figure out bitmaps.. and then, the gui :)
04.28.29 #       <sharpe> yeah
04.28.34 #       <sharpe> what i was planning
04.28.51 #       <sharpe> heh, "/.rockbox/tempwps/"
04.28.57 #       <sharpe> wonderful folder name.
04.29.05 #       <midkay> haha
04.30.51 #       <sharpe> heh...
04.35.37 #       <sharpe> would be fairly nice if i did get it working...
04.35.58 #       <midkay> = it's not and you think it'd be hard? :)
04.36.28 #       <sharpe> i dunno...
04.37.02 #       <midkay> hm, good luck anyways :)
04.37.06 #       <sharpe> heh
04.37.50 #       <sharpe> it's like, just a wrapper for the wps files right now, from my view.
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04.38.55 #       <sharpe> wow, slight deja vu.
04.39.36 #       <midkay> sharpe, haha. :)
04.43.41 #       <sharpe> eh, i'm going to head to sleep
04.43.54 #       <sharpe> i'll work on it tomorrow...
04.45.55 #       <midkay> haha. alright. :)
04.45.58 #       <midkay> btw.. hm..
04.46.32 #       <midkay> well.. i think it would be nice to support a few different structures..
04.46.45 #       <sharpe> yeah
04.46.59 #       <midkay> the common two on WpsGallery seem to be four folders.. backdrops, wps, fonts and themes.. and, four folders in a .rockbox folder.
04.47.15 #       <sharpe> yeah...
04.47.19 #       <midkay> if those two setups could be supported then people could update their zip files to be uncompressed if they aren't already..
04.47.24 #       <midkay> and that means easy loading from zip :)
04.47.28 #       <midkay> that'd be really cool
04.48.00 #       <sharpe> heh
04.48.13 #       <sharpe> tomorrow i'll write out all the ideas somewhere :)
04.48.28 #       <midkay> haha. i could do it!! :)
04.48.44 #       <sharpe> lol, go for it :)
04.48.54 #       <sharpe> well, i'll be going now
04.48.56 #       <midkay> maybe a nice way to do it would be to like..
04.49.05 #       <midkay> have different steps..
04.49.15 #       <sharpe> like...?
04.49.44 #       <midkay> step 1: locate .rockbox if there is one, then go into it and move on... if not, just move on. step 2: look for a "wps" folder.. if it exists, go into it and onwards.. if not, just go onwards... step 3: look for *.wps..
04.49.49 #       <midkay> just off the top of my head
04.49.56 #       <sharpe> lol
04.49.59 #       <sharpe> wait
04.50.08 #       <midkay> might simplify it a bit..
04.50.10 #       <sharpe> how'd i get 'lol' if i was going to type 'heh'
04.50.10 #       <sharpe> ?
04.50.17 #       <midkay> haha.
04.50.29 #       <sharpe> ah, oh well
04.50.30 #       <midkay> well, it's letter one, letter two, letter one..
04.50.33 #       <midkay> same pattern :)
04.50.37 #       <sharpe> true
04.50.52 #       <sharpe> heh, alright, i'll be on tomorrow, hopefully have something working by then'
04.51.07 #       <midkay> sharpe, cool, take your time (not really) ;)
04.51.11 #       <sharpe> lol
04.51.17 #       <sharpe> thanks, such encouragement.
04.51.19 #       <midkay> "take your time" is just something you say to comfort.. you don't ever mean it.
04.51.20 #       <midkay> :)
04.51.28 #       <midkay> it really means "get it done, dammit"..
04.51.34 #       <sharpe> lol... heh, g'night
04.51.39 #       <midkay> nite :)
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06.23.51 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: did u end up doing the build tests?
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07.50.55 #       <midkay> LinusN, we don't have any kind of lcd_putsxy_scroll, do we?
07.51.09 #       <LinusN> no
07.51.23 #       <LinusN> that's because the scrolling function is line-based
07.51.35 #       <midkay> hmmmm...
07.51.43 #       <midkay> that actually gives me an idea..
07.51.48 #       <LinusN> and it can only scroll an entire line
07.52.45 #       <midkay> LinusN, ah. hm. alright. well, i just thought of a workaround.. check the string length, if it's less than LCD_WIDTH we can center it, or if it's larger we can puts_scroll at (0, x) since we want it to start at the beginning of the line anyways.
07.54.12 #       <LinusN> i don't get it
07.55.28 #       <midkay> LinusN, if we want a string to be centered when it fits on the LCD but to scroll when it's longer, we can simply test the length of it and center it if it's less than the width of the LCD, or puts_scroll it at, e.g., (0, 0) if its length is wider than the LCD..
07.56.06 #       <LinusN> how do we do it today?
07.56.12 #       <midkay> we don't ;)
07.56.23 #       <midkay> just an idea for improving the quick screens i apparently uglified.. hmm..
07.56.28 #       <LinusN> ahaaaa
07.56.44 #       <LinusN> yes, i think they are a tad more confusing now
07.56.51 #       <midkay> also.. isn't there a way to set scrolling.. margins?
07.56.55 #       <LinusN> no
07.57.09 #       <midkay> hm...
07.57.15 #       <LinusN> this is part of the "viewport" concept we're discussing
07.57.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's a scrolling margins patch in the tracker, but I'd understood it wasn't really being looked at since it's a stopgap, and viewports would be preferred.
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07.59.29 #       <midkay> ah.. hm. that reminds me, i had an idea that's probably been considered before, relating to context menus.. having them user definable and read from a file like viewers.config for the open with menu, where we have maybe ten different options that can be in the file (playlist_viewer, open_with....) and the user can add/remove/reorder them however they want and the menus draw themselves based on the file..
08.00.46 #       <LinusN> yes, configurable menus is an old dream
08.00.59 #       <midkay> LinusN, rejected or just not done?
08.01.10 #       <LinusN> both, sort of
08.01.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think at least the quick menu could really benefit from configuration.
08.01.27 #       <midkay> i was thinking mostly just like the hold-play context menu..
08.01.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Seeing as everyone (among the users) seems to have a different opinion on what should be in it.
08.01.49 #       <midkay> i.e. during playing a song.. some people may want "playlist viewer" first.. or equalizer..
08.01.59 #       <LinusN> configurable menus open up a can of worms we really want to keep shut
08.02.24 #       <midkay> which can and why? :)
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08.04.06 #       <LinusN> the "bloated code" can, and the "support nightmare" can
08.04.18 #       <midkay> haha :)
08.04.26 #       <K-B> hi!
08.04.30 #       <LinusN> hi there
08.04.49 #       <midkay> LinusN, it sounds to me basically like a really simplified version of the WPS code for example..
08.05.28 #       <LinusN> yes it's simple in theory
08.06.31 #       <LinusN> 1) it requires code and data to parse the file and display the menu
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08.07.05 #       <LinusN> 2) it can cause incompatibility problems when we change/add functions to the menu
08.07.14 #       <LinusN> 3) it is impossible to translate
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08.07.54 #       <LinusN> 4) it is a nightmare to handle the support questions on how to configure/restore the menu
08.08.15 #       <LinusN> 5) it is equally hard to voice
08.08.29 #       <LinusN> to name a few :-)
08.08.55 #       <midkay> LinusN, if you just have a menu exactly as we have it now but let the user specify what is hidden and what is not, isn't that basically the same as it is, just with a few options off? (just guessing)
08.09.22 #       <LinusN> how would you specify which items to show?
08.10.06 #       <midkay> i don't know the voice code or anything at all.. but if there were translations for everything that could possibly be displayed in the menu, and let the user set up his or her file for the menu display (on seperate lines, ie playlist_viewer\n delete\n ..).. load that file on boot..
08.14.11 #       <LinusN> so the file would be incompatible if you change language or change the translation?
08.14.25 #       <midkay> hm, no..
08.14.40 #       <midkay> rockbox would read playlist_viewer to mean "display the playlist viewer in the appropriate translation"..
08.14.46 #       <LinusN> ok, a table with keywords?
08.14.49 #       <midkay> you could even simply change it to wpslike tags.. :)
08.15.08 #       <midkay> LinusN, what do you mean?
08.15.46 #       <LinusN> rockbox needs to know that function to call when the file contains "playlist_viewer"
08.16.08 #       <LinusN> so it must have a table or something to map keywords to functions
08.16.17 #       <midkay> right, a table would work.. many possibilities. the same way you do in the WPS when you see "%pv" and know that you need to display the volume.
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08.17.02 #       <LinusN> sounds very simular to c0uttas "action"-concept
08.17.14 #       <midkay> it very well could be :)
08.17.22 #       <LinusN> which actually is semi-implemented in rockbox already
08.17.40 #       <midkay> hm?
08.18.02 #       <LinusN> well, not even "semi"
08.18.18 #       <midkay> quasi? demi? :)
08.18.30 #       <K-B> can anybody give me a hand with patching?
08.18.34 #       <LinusN> i started to incorporate his idea, but i was sidetracked as usual
08.18.55 #       <LinusN> K-B: have you installed the development tools?
08.19.00 #       <midkay> LinusN, does that kind of configurable context menu interest you or is looking into it a waste of time?
08.19.01 #       <K-B> patch.exe
08.19.07 #       <Slasheri> well, soon we will need some kind of html engine to render the wps :)
08.19.22 #       <LinusN> midkay: if you ask *me*, it's a waste
08.19.33 #       <LinusN>  /kick Slasheri  
08.19.46 #       <midkay> LinusN, i haven't checked out the ui discussion or anything so i don't really know what's planned..
08.19.49 #       <Slasheri> ;)
08.20.04 #       <midkay> LinusN, by the way, did you see the patch posted by safetydan related to the WPS token handling or something?
08.20.11 #       <LinusN> midkay: there are no plans
08.20.23 #       <LinusN> midkay: i saw an update in the tracker
08.20.26 #       <midkay> LinusN, ah, just a waste of time in general then :)
08.20.35 #       <midkay> yes, that. "new WPS parser".
08.20.37 #       <LinusN> midkay: i'm not the only dev here
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08.20.51 #       <midkay> LinusN, no way! ;)
08.21.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> K-B: Do you have Cygwin and a full copy of the source installed?
08.21.43 #       <K-B> cygwin ? mmm
08.21.52 #       <K-B> i will check myself
08.22.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> K-B: You would know, since you'd have to run it to do anything. I take it you've not gone through the process of setting up a development environment?
08.22.54 #       <BHSPitLappy> forst you wreck yo' self!
08.22.57 #       <midkay> LinusN, i was just wondering if you'd seen it. i went looking to add a new WPS tag a while ago and the reading/drawing code made such little sense.. this looks veryvery expandable.. but i'm not sure how it would/does fit into rockbox as it is.
08.24.08 #       <K-B> paul: gnuwin32 ?
08.24.38 #       <LinusN> K-B: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment
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08.26.39 #       <qwm> var bor du LinusN 
08.27.01 #       <LinusN> Haninge, Stockholm
08.28.10 #       <qwm> hehe.
08.29.23 #       <_ironi_> morrn
08.29.31 #       <_ironi_> i mean good morning
08.30.07 #       <qwm> mhm.
08.34.13 #       <LinusN> qwm: why is haninge a "hehe"? :-)
08.35.19 #       <K-B> ok i got the cygwin now :) and .. ?
08.35.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> K-B: You've set it up as the instructions at the wiki CygwinDevelopment page said?
08.36.14 #       <_ironi_> LinusN: do you support haninge wildcats
08.36.33 #       <_ironi_> LinusN: haninge's own cheerleader team
08.37.28 #       <qwm> LinusN: just a generic response. all i know about haninge is that nationaldemokraterna has two seats in its municipal council. :>
08.37.35 #       <K-B> ok 10x i follow the instructions and if i will have problems i willl gte back
08.37.37 #       <LinusN> in fact, i worked a lot with the Aktiv Ungdom cheerleaders a few years ago
08.38.34 #       <_ironi_> LinusN: o rly?
08.38.42 #       <LinusN> not as much with the actual cheerleading, but with the Aktiv Ungdom organisation
08.38.43 #       <_ironi_> :)
08.38.51 #       <_ironi_> thats a good thing
08.39.37 #       <LinusN> K-B: good luck
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08.45.41 #       <K-B> ok out of luck
08.46.39 #       <K-B> now how can i patch the chessbox003.patch ?
08.46.58 #       <midkay> patch < chessbox003.patch
08.47.10 #       <K-B> thats all ?
08.47.18 #       <midkay> it'll prompt you for some files..
08.47.56 #       <midkay> you need to tell it where they are in relation to the directory you're currently in (ie apps/plugins/chessbox.c), or give it the full path (C:\cygwin\home\myname\rockbox\apps\plugins\chessbox.c)
08.48.06 #       <midkay> something like that.
08.50.16 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
08.51.12 #       <K-B> can't find file to patch at input line 8
08.51.12 #       <K-B> Perhaps you should have used the -p or --strip option?
08.51.12 #       <K-B> The text leading up to this was:
08.51.12 DBUG    Enqueued KICK K-B
08.51.12 #       <K-B> --------------------------
08.51.12 #       <K-B> |Index: apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c
08.51.13 ***     Alert Mode level 1
08.51.13 #       <K-B> |===================================================================
08.51.15 #       <K-B> |RCS file: /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c,v
08.51.17 #       <K-B> |retrieving revision 1.7
08.51.19 #       <K-B> |diff -u -r1.7 chessbox.c
08.51.21 #       <K-B> |--- apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c   3 Mar 2006 15:01:37 -0000       1.7
08.51.23 #       <K-B> |+++ apps/plugins/chessbox/chessbox.c   7 Mar 2006 23:45:52 -0000
08.51.25 #       <K-B> --------------------------
08.51.27 #       <K-B> ???
08.51.29 #       <K-B> what that means ?
08.51.46 #       <midkay> you need to patch the chessbox.c file.
08.51.54 #       <K-B> where is it?
08.52.15 #       <midkay> tell it where that file is in relation to where you are at the moment, or give the full path (like i gave an example of earlier).
08.52.16 #       <Bg3r> K-B did you get a cvs working copy ?
08.52.50 #       <K-B> what? sorry - im very very new here
08.53.48 #       <K-B> where chessbox.c supposed to be - on my iriver ?!?!
08.54.37 #       <LinusN> K-B: chessbos.c is not on your iriver
08.54.58 #       <LinusN> you need to download the source code
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08.55.17 #       <K-B> ok and put it where?
08.55.38 #       <LinusN> somewhere in your cygwin home directory
08.55.50 #       <LinusN> K-B: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
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08.56.05 #       <LinusN> or even this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
08.56.13 #       <K-B> ok ill check it out
08.56.16 #       <K-B> 10x
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08.57.26 #       <qwm> K-B: do you realize how stupid "10x" looks?
08.58.07 #       <K-B> ok so just for you i will type thanks 
08.58.49 #       <qwm> thank you so much.
08.59.03 #       <K-B> u happy im happy
08.59.26 #       <Bg3r> qwn do you realise how stupid your notes look ?
09.00.14 #       <qwm> do you realize you just spelled realize WRONG?!
09.00.48 #       <Bg3r> and do you realiZe that this channel is not about the correct English spelling ?
09.01.04 #       <qwm> yes, i do realize that!
09.01.07 #       <K-B> qwm u have good eyes your family probably very proud of u
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09.01.42 #       <qwm> actually, i'm near-sighted and wearing glasses as we speak.
09.01.50 #       <Bg3r> qwm then just shut up if you don't have anything worthy to say
09.02.03 #       <BHSPitLappy> lol
09.02.10 #       <K-B> i guess they r proud of u with ur glasses too
09.02.34 #       <midkay> LinusN, btw, why does printing at puts(0, 0) in the quickscreen seem to offset it by one on the x-axis?
09.02.48 #       <qwm> ;)
09.02.53 #       <midkay> and can i puts(-1) to get it to seriously align itself to the left of the LCD?
09.03.04 #       <LinusN> midkay: lcd margins?
09.03.52 #       <midkay> LinusN, wait, so if i set some LCD margins to stop at 8 pixels from the far right.. text would be cut off of the last 8 pixels?
09.04.01 #       <LinusN> lcd_setmargins(int xmargin, int ymargin);
09.04.19 #       <LinusN> midkay: again, the viewport concept isn't yet implemented
09.04.27 #       <midkay> LinusN, whatever that means..
09.04.41 #       <LinusN> it means that we can only set a top and left margin
09.04.44 #       <LinusN> today
09.04.52 #       <midkay> LinusN, ah. DRAT! ;)
09.04.57 #       <midkay> hm.
09.04.59 #       <midkay> alright. thansk.
09.05.06 #       <LinusN> the viewport concept will allow us to set a viewport with clipping
09.05.14 #       <midkay> LinusN, sounds good
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09.06.03 #       <midkay> LinusN, one other thing - there's no "global" margin setting for any time is there? .. it seems to be (1, 0) when i go into the quickscreen, i need to set it back to specifically that when i leave it, or is there a global variable i can set it to:
09.06.17 #       <midkay> -:+?
09.06.36 #       <K-B> another question please - _RockBox.bat ?
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09.06.56 #       <LinusN> K-B: huh?
09.07.12 #       <K-B> download thet dailybuilds
09.07.24 #       <K-B> the manual tell me to run _rocbox.bat
09.07.34 #       <LinusN> forget that
09.07.35 #       <B4gder> what manual?
09.08.09 #       <K-B> wait wait
09.08.13 #       <K-B> maybe can handle myself
09.09.17 #       <LinusN> K-B: the SimpleGuideToCompiling is based on the "DevKit" by BlueChip
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09.09.42 #       <LinusN> sort of "unofficial" stuff
09.09.45 #       <Bg3r> K-B better look at UsingCVS WorkingWithPatches ...
09.10.03 #       <Bg3r> (topics in the rockbox's wiki)
09.11.15 #       <midkay> LinusN, setmargins is in pixels right?
09.11.37 #       <LinusN> yes
09.13.12 #       <midkay> in french, when you want to say 'yes', you say 'ouioui'.
09.15.01 #       <petur> I always thought is was <ouwè> :)
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09.15.40 #       <midkay> petur, another spelling is "awhuei-whuei". ;)
09.16.10 #       <tris203> so, wat is rock box?
09.16.19 #       <midkay> haha.
09.16.27 #       <B4gder> you mean ro ck bo x ?
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09.16.33 #       * petur points to rockbox.org wiki
09.16.48 #       * midkay points to rockbox.org
09.16.55 #       * B4gder points at random directions
09.16.58 #       <tris203> yeah, that site is pretty poorly written, i mean wat does it do?
09.17.10 #       <B4gder> did you read the first few lines?
09.17.13 #       <tris203> yes
09.17.17 #       <B4gder> then you know
09.17.30 #       * qwm points at Bg3r's rear orifice
09.17.45 #       <B4gder> rockbox is a portable music player firmware replcaement
09.17.51 #       <tris203> but wats rong with the original firmware?
09.18.00 #       <B4gder> there's not a single good original firmware
09.18.01 #       <midkay> tris203, if you think nothing, feel free to not-use rockbox..
09.18.16 #       * petur notices more poorly written stuff ;D
09.18.17 #       <tris203> no im seeing if i can be converted
09.18.37 #       <B4gder> tris203: what model do you have?
09.18.45 #       <tris203> ipod
09.18.48 #       <midkay> tris203, ah, you're under the impression that we want you to use it and we'll go to great lengths not to lose a user like yourself. ;)
09.18.49 #       <tris203> nano, and mini
09.19.23 #       <B4gder> tris203: vorbis, flac and gapless are features mentioned that the ipod original doesn't do
09.19.36 #       <Bg3r> qwm u rate your last note as valuable, yep ?
09.19.41 #       <tris203> no, im jst seeing wat ads and disads there are between this, ipod-linux, and the original firmware
09.19.48 #       <tris203> gapless?
09.19.50 #       <qwm> Bg3r: no, utterly worthless. 
09.20.07 #       <B4gder> tris203: yes, playing songs without gaps in between
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09.20.10 #       <midkay> tris203, check the documentation section's "feature comparison chart".
09.22.13 #       <tris203> yeah, it looks good, wat format does the video playback use?
09.22.24 #       <Bg3r> qwm: or maybe you don't have anything more interesting to do than to scratch your fingers and nag at other people...
09.22.56 #       <B4gder> tris203: rockbox doesn't have video playback yet (on non-Archos models)
09.23.06 #       <qwm> Bg3r: calm down please.
09.23.08 #       <tris203> oh :o
09.23.13 #       <B4gder> people tend to run original firmware for video
09.23.24 #       <B4gder> tris203: you can always dual-boot the original and Rockbox
09.24.00 #       <Bg3r> qwm the problem is that this is not your first silly nag ...
09.24.01 #       <tris203> how much space does the rockbox software tak up?
09.24.43 #       <B4gder> a couple of megabytes, I don't know exactly how many
09.24.58 #       <qwm> Bg3r: feel free to punish me in any way you see fit, if you think i deserve it.
09.25.21 #       <tris203> klkl
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09.43.05 #       <LinusN> qwm: well, we are not particularly amused by such comments, maybe it's an age thing...
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09.47.11 #       <B4gder> you reading java code? B-]
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09.47.37 #       <petur> MFC?
09.47.46 #       <safetydan> Web services?
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10.28.47 #       <tucoz> Hello. What should we call the players (in general) in the manual. Jukebox or Player or..?
10.29.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ARe you referring to the player model archoses, or units in general?
10.29.53 #       <tucoz> the latter
10.29.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> DAP?
10.30.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Clarify it as Digital Audio Player the first time, then use that, would be my suggestion. "Player" and "Jukebox" often get confused with the Archos models sharing those words in their name.
10.31.03 #       <tucoz> Yes, you are right about that.
10.31.36 #       <LinusN> yes, the "Jukebox" comes from back when rockbox was archos-only
10.32.26 #       <Mikachu> does the box in rockbox come from jukebox?
10.33.24 #       <Zagor> yes
10.33.31 #       <tucoz> Should we go for DAP or use a macro that will call the DAP with it's name? "...to the \playername..." will be "...to the ipod.." "...to the iriver.." etc?
10.33.59 #       <linuxstb> The word "device" is vague enough to cover all the targets.  I also don't think people will be confused with "player" - the context is a manual specific to their DAP.  But most targets can also record...
10.34.10 #       <Zagor> tucoz: I would think calling it "player" is general enough to be good.
10.34.49 #       <tucoz> Ok. I call it player with a lowercase 'p' then.
10.35.03 #       <linuxstb> Even in the recording section of the manual? :)
10.35.07 #       <Mikachu> i think DAP is used somewhere else in the manual
10.35.32 #       <Mikachu> http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/manual/getting_started/main.tex.diff?r1=1.4&r2=1.5
10.35.47 #       <tucoz> Mikachu, I know. But, the manual is not really finished
10.35.54 #       <Mikachu> okay
10.35.56 #       <Zagor> linuxstb: I think so, yes. "DAP" is much to acronymish to be used in a manual imho.
10.36.05 #       <linuxstb> Yes, I don't like DAP either.
10.36.17 #       <tucoz> And I haven't thought so much about this issue until now
10.36.55 #       <LinusN> "player" gets my vote
10.37.20 #       <linuxstb> I would vote for a macro with a target specific name - such as "iPod", "iriver", "Jukebox", "Player"
10.37.46 #       <LinusN> that would of course be optimal imho
10.38.05 #       <tucoz> Allright, a macro it is then.
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10.38.56 #       <nudel> it is *so* good being able to simply copy music files over using my file manager
10.39.01 #       <nudel> there's no going back
10.39.08 #       <linuxstb> The macro could be \dap - to keep it short and more readable - e.g. "copy the files to your \dap"
10.39.25 #       <LinusN> when i view the manual pdf, the chapter links in the toc are surrounded with red borders
10.39.29 #       <tucoz> linuxstb, nice. I was just thinking of a name. Thanks
10.39.30 #       <linuxstb> "copy the files to your \playername" isn't readable.
10.39.31 #       <LinusN> (acroreader)
10.39.45 #       <tucoz> LinusN, I have no idea why those are there
10.39.53 #       <tucoz> (I see them as well)
10.40.02 #       <LinusN> is it an acroreader thing?
10.40.11 #       <tucoz> maybe some option is set when generating the pdf
10.40.21 #       <linuxstb> Yes, it's an option when generating the pdf IIRC.
10.40.30 #       <LinusN> it's very ugly imho
10.40.33 #       <tucoz> I think we want to get rid of those
10.40.41 #       <linuxstb> Well, maybe not an option, but it's something added by the PDF generator.
10.41.00 #       <Zagor> won't a macro be pretty annoying to read. methinks the word is used all over the place. always referring to "the iriver" everywhere feels robotic in my mind.
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10.41.29 #       <Mikachu> not more annoying than "the player"?
10.41.43 #       <Mikachu> i think the people who write the manual can substitute "it" when appropriate
10.42.24 #       <Zagor> I think repeated use of "player" will look much more natural than excessive use of "<model>"
10.42.36 #       <LinusN> i think that macro should be the preferred short form for the target in question, like "H300" for the h300 and so on
10.42.42 #       <Slasheri> the hyperlinks are by default surrounded by some color. But only when viewing on screen
10.42.50 #       <Slasheri> print should be always clear
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10.43.47 #       <tucoz> Slasheri, but the acroreader 'reading' is not very pleasant with all those coloured boxes
10.44.02 #       <Slasheri> ah, hmm
10.44.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think I agree that calling it by a proper name too frequently would lead to it sounding unnatural, but probably should be done at least on the first mention of the device per chapter.
10.44.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Another thing, for iPods specifically, do you want to call it "the iPod" or just "iPod" like Apple does.
10.44.50 #       <LinusN> saw this on a web page: "use the colorlinks option to the hyperref package - it highlights the links by changing colour rather than putting an ugly red box round them (which is the default)"
10.45.06 #       <tucoz> Ok, in my opinion 'player' is the best. Target specific mention will probably sound too 'law-termish'
10.45.17 #       <linuxstb> I would write "your iPod", but that depends on the style the manual is written in.
10.45.44 #       <LinusN> so "player" it is then?
10.46.19 #       * linuxstb wonders why moving a frequently used array _into_ IRAM slows down pacbox on the ipod...
10.46.30 #       <tucoz> imho, yes. But, I could add a \dap macro to the platform files and simply write player for that macro for now.
10.46.55 #       <tucoz> if we want another name it's an easy change in the platform-files
10.46.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tucoz: I was actually going to suggest that, just in case it's decided to call it something else later.
10.47.03 #       <linuxstb> I would say have both - use \dap in some places, and "player" in others - just for variety.
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10.48.06 #       <tucoz> hehe
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10.54.33 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: I've noticed with the recent manual commits, that there are not always Nano-sized (176x132x16) images and are never 5g-sized (320x240x16) images.  So these manuals don't build.
10.54.39 #       <Bg3r> offt: is there a way to make firefox's find to work with regex ?
10.55.30 #       <tucoz> linuxstb, the manuals will probably build. But, the plugins (for instance) are not included for nano in that case.
10.55.52 #       <tucoz> I don't know about the 5g. No platform file is defined for that.
10.56.38 #       <linuxstb> I could easily commit a platform file for the 5g - it's seems that it's being left behind if the images are not all created at the same time.
10.56.51 #       <linuxstb> And no, the Nano manual doesn't build due to missing images.
10.57.59 #       <tucoz> linuxstb. ok. Well, I am fixing the 2.4 docs to not be target specific and having to start 5 different simulators for each screenshot is simply too demanding for me.
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10.58.55 #       <tucoz> But, as long as the framework is in place, screenshots to e.g. is added by defining a \genericimg in the platform file and submitting the screenshot
10.59.02 #       <LinusN> i just committed a fix for the ugly links
10.59.03 #       <tucoz> *e.g. 5g
10.59.08 #       <tucoz> LinusN, mice
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10.59.11 #       <tucoz> hehe, nice
10.59.16 #       <LinusN> nice mice
10.59.42 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: OK, I'll commit the platform file for the 5g and try to find some time for screenshots.
10.59.59 #       <tucoz> good :)
11.00.26 #       <tucoz> I am not sure if it needs to be added other places as well. Maybe in the preamble
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11.04.08 #       <muesli__> amiconn is there a non-mapped button in the jpeg-viewer?
11.05.20 #       <tucoz> linuxstb, what do you think of this for the platform file http://pastebin.ca/45629
11.05.27 #       <tucoz> that is for the h1xx
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11.06.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Select should be called NAVI, shouldn't it?
11.06.27 #       <VoltageX> is rockboy gonna get any faster with updates?
11.06.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And Mode is A-B?
11.06.39 #       <VoltageX> some games are playable, others aren't
11.06.46 #       <VoltageX> most gbc games can't be played
11.06.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: It all depends on if someone picks it up and works on it.
11.06.58 #       <B4gder> VoltageX: feel free to fix
11.07.09 #       <VoltageX> no one's working on it?
11.07.17 #       <B4gder> no
11.07.26 #       <VoltageX> and I don't have the knowledge to fix it.
11.07.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Well, there are many books in the world.
11.07.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ;)
11.07.58 #       <VoltageX> assembler + C takes a while to learn
11.08.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tucoz: Also, On is Play/Pause, and Off is Stop.
11.08.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Well, the options are "wait until someone picks it up" or "do it yourself" :)
11.08.35 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: I was thinking the same thing.  You could also define \config_pad{iriver_h100_pad} - the same way as the Rockbox source does it.
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11.09.00 #       <tucoz> Paul_The_Nerd, ah you're right. The buttons names should be the same as the picture of the player names them
11.09.08 #       <VoltageX> Paul_The_Nerd: this sounds like a big incentive to learn C
11.09.16 #       <tucoz> linuxstb, I am not sure how to do that
11.09.17 #       <linuxstb> For example, the iPod 4g, 4g Color, Nano and 5g all have \config_pad{ipod_4g_pad} - and they have identical button mappings throughout Rockbox.
11.09.44 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: Just add that line to the platform.tex file, and use it instead of platform name when displaying different button mappings.
11.10.24 #       <tucoz> hmm... do you think you could add that for the ipods (as an example)?
11.10.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: People have come by and made occasional optimizations to it, but honestly I understand a lot of what needs to be done needs to be done by someone who specifically understands gameboy emulators. =/
11.10.51 #       <VoltageX> talk to the VisualBoyAdvance team.
11.11.00 #       <B4gder> VoltageX: yes do that
11.11.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Feel free to send 'em an email.
11.11.10 #       <VoltageX> B4gder: I'm on it
11.12.02 #       <B4gder> just keep in mind that we use a modified gnuboy, and only people who actually use Rockbox will have any motivation to work on rockboy
11.12.31 #       <Mikachu> and people who want to play gameboy games in the rockbox sims
11.12.41 #       <B4gder> hehe
11.12.53 #       <B4gder> yes, I forgot that huge crowd
11.12.54 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: Sorry, I think you will want \def\UseOption{ipod_4g_pad} in the platform.tex file, so instead of "\opt{ipodcolor,ipodnano}{SELECT}" you would have "\opt{ipod_4g_pad}{SELECT}"
11.13.04 #       <VoltageX> well then I really must learn C
11.13.25 #       <tucoz> ok
11.15.10 #       <amiconn> tucoz: I wouldn't use player, for 2 reasons: (1) Most targets can also record. (2) Many rockboxers associate it with 'archos player'
11.15.20 #       <amiconn> I'd use either jukebox, or DAP
11.15.50 #       <tucoz> amiconn, jukebox would be confused with the archos jukebox (same as (2))
11.16.16 #       <amiconn> jukebox on its own won't, imho
11.16.33 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: I agree, but only for reason 1).
11.16.38 #       <Mikachu> do current rockboxers even read the manual?
11.16.51 #       <B4gder> current newcomers do
11.16.56 #       <B4gder> occationally
11.17.08 #       <Mikachu> that was in reference to (2)
11.17.20 #       <B4gder> ah
11.17.24 #       <Mikachu> sorry
11.17.45 #       <tucoz> Mikachu, well, an up-to-date manual could be used for reference
11.18.08 #       <tucoz> especially if it's 'complete' and looks nice ;-)
11.18.44 #       <B4gder> one of these days I'll setup daily manual builds
11.18.50 #       <VoltageX> what if i thre large amounts of money at the rockbox project?
11.19.05 #       <Mikachu> then there would be lots of beer at the devcon
11.19.14 #       <B4gder> yay!
11.19.19 #       <petur> try throwing large amounts of time ;)
11.19.39 #       <Mikachu> VoltageX: or, throw large amounts of money at nintendo and buy a gameboy
11.19.47 #       <B4gder> hehe
11.20.00 #       <B4gder> that would be a lot cheaper than buying development time
11.20.14 #       * linuxstb needs to stop carrying two ipods around - one for music, one for pacbox....
11.20.34 #       <tucoz> and I wouldn't expect a gameboy to cost "large amounts of money" these days
11.20.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, a gameboy color is what, $15 US?
11.21.04 #       <linuxstb> Port Rockbox to one...
11.21.07 #       <tucoz> hehe
11.21.11 #       <Mikachu> are there flash carts for those?
11.21.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Actually, I think the Nintendo DS would be an excellent Rockbox target. :-P
11.21.33 #       <tucoz> and play rockboy on a gameboy
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11.21.43 #       <linuxstb> At about 5% realtime...
11.21.58 #       <Mikachu> i think the largest cart for gba is 64MB and it has a 16mhz arm cpu
11.22.14 #       <Mikachu> so gbc would be less than that
11.22.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, the DS plays GBA games, but doesn't accept GBC / GB carts.
11.22.18 #       <amiconn> B4gder:  Regarding cvs builds - I noticed that while we have cvs bootloader builds for iriver and iPod, we don't have cvs bootloader (bootbox) builds for archos...
11.22.25 #       <coob> gba has some gfx hardware as well tho i thought?
11.22.28 #       <Mikachu> yeah, they dropped the gbc cpu
11.22.30 #       <VoltageX> hmm I might just get a GBA + flashcard
11.22.37 #       <Mikachu> there is a gb (not c) emu for gba
11.22.42 #       <B4gder> amiconn: but they're not built the same way, are they?
11.22.46 #       <Mikachu> but you can get a bridge to play them natively
11.22.59 #       <coob> hm the ds should be able to emulate the gb/gbc
11.23.09 #       <VoltageX> well... if rockboy can't do gbc games at a decent framerate it couldn't do gba
11.23.32 #       <coob> VoltageX: it could on arm
11.23.39 #       <Mikachu> coob: yeah, it has lots of crazy things
11.23.44 #       <coob> seeing as you'd have native instructions
11.23.49 #       <coob> you could virtualise
11.24.00 #       <VoltageX> ah yeah
11.24.20 #       <VoltageX> i just woulda throught at 124mhz the iRiver would have enough power to do gb games.
11.24.32 #       <tucoz> linuxstb, I think I'll have to fix those platform files later on. Unless someone else wants to do it.
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11.24.39 #       <Mikachu> my 2ghz amd struggles a bit with gba games
11.25.06 #       <coob> thats the fault of the emulator then :)
11.25.16 #       <linuxstb> tucoz: I'm happy to give it a go - assuming that the principle of using a set of macros which mirror the #defines in the Rockbox source is OK with you.
11.25.17 #       <marevalo> hi, any commiter?
11.25.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: It probably would if the emulator were optimized.
11.25.38 #       <marevalo> is there any problem with my latest chessbox patch?
11.25.52 #       <marevalo> http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4798
11.26.03 #       <tucoz> linuxstb, those defines have proven to work fine in the source, and I would expect them to work fine in the manual as well. So I totally agree with you.
11.26.16 #       <VoltageX> Paul_The_Nerd: it'll probably be a year before I approach the knowledge to touch the rockboy source, but I'm seriously going to start learning
11.27.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: I'm sure a lot of people would be happy if you did. You might also want to check out the original program, Gnuboy, that it was ported from, and learn about how it works in the original source, in case that's helpful
11.27.01 #       <VoltageX> right now though, I'm trying out the new Nintendo DS emulator
11.27.04 #       <amiconn> B4gder:  Archos bootbox is built when you select an archos target and then (B)ootloader, i.e. the same way as the iriver/iPod  bootloaders
11.27.48 #       <B4gder> ok
11.27.53 #       <tucoz> bye
11.27.55 #       <VoltageX> wow the last time gnuboy was updated was at the end of '01
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11.28.39 #       <Mikachu> actually the last commit was 2 weeks ago
11.28.46 #       <VoltageX> assembler is seriously scary.
11.28.48 #       <Mikachu> here's one from 11 days
11.29.10 #       <Mikachu> oh wait, i thought you said rockboy
11.29.11 #       <Mikachu> never mind
11.29.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, does Gnuboy CE have optimizations that might be helpful?
11.29.38 #       <VoltageX> can I update the rockboy on my player with the latest one?
11.29.42 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if there might be arm-opts lurking in various PDA / PocketPC versions of Gnuboy
11.30.14 #       <VoltageX> ok there's no way I can learn asm in a year.
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11.30.19 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: There's a whole assembler z80 core in iBoy...
11.31.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: iBoy is iPL's GB emu?
11.31.43 #       <linuxstb> Yes - it's the IPL port of gnuboy
11.32.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hmmm....
11.33.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> This says to me, it says "It is time for them to share some more code with us." This is what it says to me. But first, I need to get less lazy, and get the screen to display on my Nano, so I can actually *test* anything I manage to achieve.
11.33.43 #       <JdGordon> hey all
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11.34.04 #       <JdGordon> did any1 try out the colinux image i put on the ml?
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11.34.11 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: did u do the build test?
11.34.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I actually tried tackling the rockboy-on-nano thing briefly once, but ended up with a less working version than I had before. :)
11.35.42 #       <VoltageX> I'm glad I stirred up some interest in RockBoy
11.36.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: I've always been interested in it. Just not *really* interested, because I own about every generation of the Gameboy other than the GBA Micro. :)
11.38.37 #       <markun> marevalo: didn't try it yet
11.38.49 #       <markun> marevalo: are you working on the menu driven version?
11.39.09 #       <petur> JdGordon: I have a colinux problem: I can't get it to access any dns server. I can ping ip addresses, not names :(
11.39.50 #       <amiconn> JdGordon:  I did not yet finish the tests.
11.39.59 #       <marevalo> markin: not yet
11.40.05 #       <amiconn> Rebuilding sh-elf-gcc on cygwin took nearly forever,
11.40.25 #       <amiconn> and now my home machine is acting up and I can't reach it via rdp
11.40.26 #       <marevalo> markin: I was waiting for that patch to be commited, I'm not quite skilled in cvs and it also give me some break
11.40.38 #       <JdGordon> petur: im gonna try, i rekon its a linux thing, not a colinux thing tho...
11.40.44 #       <JdGordon> ok amiconn, no rush
11.41.09 #       <marevalo> markin: I want to get a full strengh version but usable version of chessbox before extending it
11.41.33 #       <markun> marevalo: I have to go now but could take a look tonight
11.41.40 #       <JdGordon> petur: ye, i cant ping by name either
11.41.49 #       <marevalo> markin: you can check my plans on: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginChessbox
11.41.56 #       <linuxstb> petur: You just need to edit the /etc/resolv.conf file to get DNS working.
11.41.58 #       <JdGordon> wgett has no problem with name, just ping..
11.42.11 #       <petur> linuxstb: I did
11.42.26 #       <marevalo> markun: ok, just wanted to know if there was any problem as I don't visit the IRC too much
11.42.50 #       <marevalo> markun: thanks
11.43.32 #       <petur> JdGordon: so maybe I better try your colinux environment, as you probably downloaded all the tools and stuff already...
11.43.44 #       <markun> marevalo: it's faster to ask here than only submitting the patch
11.43.48 #       <JdGordon> its all setup and ready to go..
11.44.22 #       <JdGordon> petur: check the dev mailing list..
11.45.21 #       <JdGordon> linuxstb: can i add my router as a nameserver? or should i use my isp's dns server?
11.45.48 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: It depends on your router.  Your router would need a dns server for that to work.
11.45.53 #       <marevalo> markus: ok, I'll keep that in mind with future patches
11.46.05 #       <JdGordon> they dont pass the request on?
11.46.24 #       <linuxstb> Yes - if they have a built-in dns server.
11.46.33 #       <JdGordon> my box has the router as its dns server.. so i guess it will work
11.47.09 #       <JdGordon> yay, it worked :d
11.47.13 #       <petur> JdGordon: will try tonight or rather tomorrow night - bloody filled agenda :(
11.49.37 #       <safetydan> Speaking of patches, is my attempt at a new WPS parser crap or not? :)
11.50.10 #       <amiconn> B4gder:  Doing 1 or 2 bootbox builds might be desirable, to detect whether code changes influence bootbox
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11.54.54 #       <JdGordon> grr... no wonder swap isnt being used :p its not mounted...
11.55.01 #       <LinusN> hmm, looks like we need a new name for bejeweled, since it is a registered trademark
11.55.21 #       <LinusN> suggestions?
11.55.35 #       <JdGordon> rock-jewled?
11.55.36 #       <t0mas> LOL
11.55.47 #       <LinusN> Zagor suggested "Berocked" :-)
11.55.51 #       <t0mas> Bagder: "
11.55.52 #       <t0mas> Yes. We're also all not only the real people behind the JFK murder, we also carry around the evidence proving that there never was a moon landing." "Garbage in. Garbage out."
11.57.16 #       * t0mas goes to search for moon pictures on his iriver
11.57.28 #       <petur> imho, they _are_ liars: claiming to sign off but still posting every day...
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11.58.06 #       <t0mas> ghehe, on some way they are...
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12.01.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> LinusN: Jewels also works, probably.
12.01.30 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: Berocked is perfect.  One definition of "rock" is "jewel".
12.01.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I do kinda like Berocked, even if it sounds a little awkward. :)
12.02.24 #       <LinusN> i think "jewels" sounds better
12.02.52 #       <linuxstb> It does.
12.04.24 #       <Mikachu> beinuiteled
12.05.09 #       <LinusN> or "gems"
12.05.19 #       <linuxstb> I wonder what bluechip is referring to with "the copyrighted material which is reproduced without express written concent"
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12.06.40 #       <LinusN> i'm wondering the same
12.07.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It could just be referring to the MP3 thing, or the Bejeweled name again.
12.08.06 #       <linuxstb> Those are different to copyright infringement.
12.08.06 #       <Mikachu> you can't copyright a name i believe
12.08.31 #       <linuxstb> The mp3 issue is patents.  Bejeweled is trademarks.
12.08.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
12.08.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Right, so copyright would only apply to specifically reproduced code, or texts.
12.10.00 #       <linuxstb> Yes, and we use libmad which is licensed to us by the author under the GPL.
12.10.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I wonder if he was referring to the AT&T thing then? Would the voices be a copyright issue?
12.10.50 #       * Paul_The_Nerd could just post to the mailing list asking, I suppose.
12.11.05 #       <Mikachu> i think indirectly, they don't allow you to use the program if you redistribute the voices
12.11.25 #       <linuxstb> Yes, I think the basis of the AT&T thing is copyright.  They only license their copyrighted voice files for certain uses.
12.11.29 #       <LinusN> btw, that issue is still not resolved
12.11.31 #       <Mikachu> so if you redistribute the voices, you are breaking the copyright on the tts engine
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12.11.38 #       <lImbus> hi all
12.12.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: From what I understand, the license seems to imply you can distribute recordings of the voices for noncommercial use, but a later portion of it seems to imply that you can't at the same time. At least, from the quotes I recall seeing in here.
12.13.18 #       <Mikachu> okay, i was just going by things i glossed over weeks ago
12.14.48 #       <JdGordon> hey, whats the official deal with getting plugins commited? is it just a matter of finishing them? or does it need devs to feel its actually useable?
12.15.40 #       <lImbus> there are already some useless plugins. don't think it's a no-go.
12.15.56 #       <JdGordon> usefull is the better word.. not useable
12.16.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: What's the plugin do?
12.16.26 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: I don't know if there are any rules, but it takes at least one developer to be interested enough to commit it.
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12.16.52 #       <JdGordon> .. im about to recompile my timetable viewer plugin coz of the api changes, and i rememebbred it was a pain :p
12.17.32 #       <JdGordon> pain to update it every time.. not a pain to get it to compile
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12.20.01 #       <lImbus> what does it do ?
12.20.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: How flexible is it? And what does it offer that couldn't instead just be added to the Calender plugin?
12.21.15 #       <JdGordon> very flexible... the diff is that the timetable is for the same events every week... which i dont know if u can do in the calendar plugin?
12.22.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> JdGordon: I don't know if you can either, but I don't see why what are essentially weekly appointments couldn't be added into it?
12.22.44 #       <JdGordon> i dunno... i made it a while ago, if paprica wants to add it in then thats cool..
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12.24.08 #       <Moos> Hello all !
12.24.34 #       <lImbus> lu
12.25.13 #       <Moos> Salut lImbus!
12.25.53 #       <VoltageX> what software do I need to compile rockbox plugins?
12.26.12 #       <preglow> gcc
12.26.27 #       <preglow> the same software you need to compile rockbox itself
12.27.31 #       <VoltageX> gcc with cross compiling tools?
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12.28.31 #       <orko> hi
12.28.37 #       <lImbus> yes, depending on the target platform: sh-elf, m68k or arm
12.28.40 #       <orko> how can i use usb to recharge
12.28.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> orko: That's a very vague question. The general solution is "plug it in"
12.29.02 #       <orko> i have version 2.5 installed
12.29.30 #       <orko> but i cant see the same animation like when power is plugged in
12.29.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I dunno for Archos'
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12.29.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Alright guys, an Archos question. Wake up, I can't help this one. :-P
12.29.47 #       <preglow> brb
12.29.56 #       <lImbus> orko: which device ?
12.30.00 #       <LinusN> orko: which archos device do you have?
12.30.08 #       <VoltageX> lImbus: what target is iRiver?
12.30.21 #       <JdGordon> m68k
12.30.33 #       <orko> archos recorde
12.31.01 #       <LinusN> orko: v1, v2 or fm?
12.31.06 #       <lImbus> orko: the v1 (old recorder) does not charge from usb, the v2/fm should do as you plugin
12.34.46 #       <orko> hwo could i see wihich one i have
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12.35.50 #       <LinusN> orko: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart
12.36.00 #       <orko> assume it works. is there the same recharging animation like when i plug in normal recharger.
12.37.48 #       <orko> i have a 20gb device. so i assume i have a v2 recorder
12.38.10 #       <VoltageX> we could just try porting iboy to rockbox...
12.38.37 #       <LinusN> orko: the v1 recorder has 20gb as well
12.38.59 #       <orko> shit. so i cant see whtas the difference
12.39.03 #       <LinusN> VoltageX: what's wrong with rockboy?
12.39.10 #       <LinusN> orko: check the pictures
12.39.13 #       <B4gder> orko: look at the pics, they look different
12.39.29 #       <VoltageX> LinusN: veeeeeeerrry slow
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12.39.41 #       <orko> thex dont
12.39.52 #       <orko> wheres the difference
12.39.53 #       <LinusN> VoltageX: what makes you think iboy is faster on the iriver?
12.40.16 #       <orko> even the old recorder has usb2.0 on the picture
12.40.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: If anything, iBoy will probably be slower out of the box on iRiver, since it wouldn't have any of the M68k opts that may have been made.
12.40.22 #       <VoltageX> LinusN: iboy is being actively developed
12.40.24 #       <LinusN> orko: *pictures*
12.40.34 #       <LinusN> orko: as in "images"
12.40.35 #       <B4gder> VoltageX: for ARM yes
12.40.51 #       <B4gder> might not be very good for coldfire/iriver
12.41.10 #       <VoltageX> gah I can't win. my options all involve learning asm.
12.41.28 #       <B4gder> I doubt asm is the only key to success
12.41.49 #       <VoltageX> ok, asm and c
12.41.53 #       <B4gder> but of course, learning asm is always fun!
12.42.00 #       <orko> sorry guy i cant see a difference on the pics.
12.42.10 #       <LinusN> orko: wow
12.42.16 #       <B4gder> orko: the v1 and v2 are quite different
12.42.21 #       <B4gder> on the pics
12.42.38 #       <LinusN> orko: you honestly mean that you can't see any difference between the picture of the V1 recorder and the FM recorder?
12.43.12 #       <orko> now. i cant see any diference on the pics aof the recorde and the old recorder.
12.43.30 #       <B4gder> compar the v2 with the v1
12.43.33 #       <orko> i want to find outif i have a old recorder or an recorder. because you toldme the v1 reocrder could not recharge via usb
12.43.37 #       <LinusN> orko: i didn't ask that
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12.44.05 #       <orko> i am confused.
12.44.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> orko: V2: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/fmrecorder_t.jpg V1: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/recorder_t.jpg
12.44.24 #       <LinusN> B4gder: in all fairness, there is no mention of v1 in that table
12.44.29 #       <orko> ok then i have a recorder
12.44.29 #       <B4gder> true
12.44.31 #       <_ironi_> is there a difference?
12.44.31 #       <_ironi_> :)
12.44.35 #       <orko> not an fm recorder
12.44.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> orko: V2 looks like an FM recorder.
12.44.47 #       <LinusN> orko: then you can't charge via usb
12.45.05 #       <orko> fuck,-(
12.45.14 #       <orko> will it be possible?
12.45.20 #       <LinusN> no
12.45.26 #       <LinusN> the table is correct
12.45.46 #       <LinusN> there is even a row for "Charge via USB"
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12.49.55 #       <orko> but theres no description what the row indicates: a current working feature or something that can be done but is not implemented.
12.50.12 #       <B4gder> it describes the hardware
12.50.25 #       <B4gder> physical limitations
12.51.30 #       * lImbus corrrected the DeviceChart to contain v1 and v2 marks
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13.03.56 #       <Jungti1234> hello
13.03.57 #       <orko> so thanks to all . you helped me much even although i am dissapointed that my recorde could nt recharge via usb,-(
13.03.59 #       <orko> cu
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13.14.03 #       <XavierGr> LinusN: Is there any chance that you remember where exactly was the problem (in the code) with some mp3s that I sent you. The problem was that rockbox couldn't calculate correcty the duration of these songs. 
13.15.31 #       <LinusN> hmmm
13.16.09 #       <LinusN> iirc, i believe there was a problem with the LAME header
13.16.26 #       <LinusN> what was the title of the tracks again?
13.16.52 #       <XavierGr> but I remember you mentioned that there was an small bug in the rockbox code too.
13.16.56 #       <XavierGr> ehm it was...
13.17.11 #       <XavierGr> A Day Without Rain
13.17.15 #       <XavierGr> one of them.
13.17.37 #       <XavierGr> but I can see many of them on my collection. I guess it is a dodgy encoder that did this to me.
13.20.12 #       <XavierGr> I ask this because if this is a small glitch in rockbox maybe I could make it work, instead of reripping many of my songs. Which I am not sure how many of them are in that condition.
13.21.15 #       <LinusN> XavierGr: "Silver inches" and "Tempus vernum", right?
13.21.29 #       <XavierGr> ah yes
13.21.37 #       <XavierGr> that was what I've sent to you.
13.21.45 #       <LinusN> hmmm, i should take another look at them
13.21.50 #       <XavierGr> sorry for that, I didn;t remember the title per se.
13.22.04 #       <LinusN> i have them on my home pc
13.22.07 #       <XavierGr> ok thanks.
13.22.51 #       <amiconn> t0mas / B4gder: Can you reach my build box?
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13.32.33 #       <petur> aha!  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/03/14/lappy_poll/
13.34.23 #       <XavierGr> what lappy means?
13.34.58 #       <petur> I still don't know
13.35.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Laptop, I would guess
13.35.45 #       <petur> probably
13.35.52 #       <XavierGr> yeah that is what wikipedia says
13.36.03 #       <XavierGr> but why not use lappy in the register?
13.36.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> For someone for whom six letters is too far beyond five to be worth bothering, I guess.
13.36.41 #       <cs_weasel> lappy 486: finally, a computer for your lap
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13.45.43 #       <lImbus> re
13.51.09 #       <_ironi_> is the ipod version of rocbox different
13.51.31 #       <lImbus> euh ? in what kind of matter ?
13.52.00 #       <_ironi_> well is the rockbox software developed togehter for the different players
13.52.03 #       <lImbus> rockbox is one software for all of these devices, but has device-dependant parts, of course, which are not yet fully done on ipod
13.52.06 #       <lImbus> yes
13.52.07 #       <_ironi_> and then there is some kind of interface
13.52.12 #       <_ironi_> like a layer in between
13.52.13 #       <lImbus> right
13.52.25 #       <_ironi_> ok
13.52.34 #       <muesli__> http://pics.soohrt.org/fun/getStringFromObject.jpg
13.52.37 #       <muesli__> ;-p
13.52.40 #       <_ironi_> so is there any interest for a windows installer
13.52.41 #       <lImbus> the most notabely for example the plugins
13.52.54 #       <lImbus> there is a windows installer, or at least has been
13.52.59 #       <_ironi_> for the ipod?
13.53.04 #       <linuxstb> _ironi_: At least 95% of the code is the same for the ipod and iriver versions of Rockbox.  It's only the very low-level hardware drivers that are different.
13.53.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> _ironi_: The idea is for whenever possible Rockbox should function identically on the player, across targets.
13.53.11 #       <lImbus> no, don't think yet
13.53.31 #       <_ironi_> Paul_The_Nerd: something like vodafone live cellphones :)
13.53.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> _ironi_: There has been an installation batch file made, I believe, and a script for MacOSX, but no real installers yet.
13.53.37 #       <_ironi_> its a good thing
13.53.52 #       <_ironi_> well ive played around with nullsoft installer a bit
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13.54.10 #       <_ironi_> its not like its anything complicated but I could take on the task to make a small installer
13.54.48 #       <LinusN> _ironi_: in which respect is the nullsoft installer better than innosetup?
13.55.06 #       <_ironi_> LinusN: i have no idea what innosetup is =)
13.55.12 #       <B4gder> ... the ArchOpen guys should join up with us
13.55.24 #       <B4gder> they seem to run on several Archos players now
13.55.29 #       <LinusN> _ironi_: it's the installer we currently use for rockbox
13.55.46 #       <_ironi_> oh i see.
13.55.55 #       <_ironi_> well then i guess someone alread has it covered
13.56.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> _ironi_: It hasn't been adapted to function for the iPod Port at all though
13.56.40 #       <linuxstb> What does the existing installer do?  Does it just copy some files to the hard disk on the target?
13.56.55 #       <LinusN> sort of
13.57.08 #       <LinusN> the nullsoft installer looks interesting
13.57.33 #       <_ironi_> i think nsis is pretty straigt-forward
13.58.05 #       <_ironi_> there is even an eclipse environment ide for it
13.58.06 #       <_ironi_> heh
13.58.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> For ipod, ideally it should store a compressed copy of the extracted boot image, in case they want to restore their OS later, right?
13.58.25 #       <_ironi_> it should set up like program files\rockbox or something
13.58.29 #       <_ironi_> and save it there maybe
14.00.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Can iPod_fw generate a valid "clean" firmware image with apple_os.bin (with a few modifications to ipod_fw to accept one file input, I would assume), or would it need to back up the whole bootpartition.bin?
14.01.05 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: I don't think it can as it is now.  
14.01.30 #       <linuxstb> But such a feature shouldn't be too hard to add.
14.01.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: It seems it'd be a lot easier to backup apple_os.bin rather than bootpartition.bin (which even when I compressed came out as 4 times the size of an uncompressed apple_os.bin)
14.02.42 #       <linuxstb> Well, bootpartition.bin also contains an image of the apple flash bootloader.  On your Nano, it might also contain an hibernation image.
14.03.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah
14.03.22 #       <Jungti1234> oops
14.03.30 #       <Jungti1234> hey muesli__! :(
14.03.41 #       <linuxstb> The Mac OS version of the Apple updater just contains "bootpartition.bin" images for all the ipods as files - so that's an easy place to get a copy from.
14.03.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, restoring it to a state where the apple updater would work on it, would require reconstructing everything that should be there (IE: Everything but the hibernation image, I would assume)
14.03.54 #       <muesli__> ho Jungti1234
14.03.58 #       <linuxstb> I think ipodwizard can extract the files from the Windows installer.
14.04.20 #       <Jungti1234> muesli__: Do you like such image?
14.04.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Ah, so a rockbox installer with a restore choice could just be made to point at a location where the apple restore utility is?
14.04.35 #       <muesli__> without the string, sure :D
14.04.42 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: Yes.
14.04.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Seems a better alternative then
14.05.21 #       <linuxstb> But it doesn't hurt to keep a copy of bootpartition.bin - it's not big compared to modern hard disks.
14.05.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah
14.05.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 80mb, compressed down to 22.5 with 7-zip for me.
14.06.32 #       <linuxstb> My 5g's boot partition compresses from 80mb to about 15mb using gzip
14.07.03 #       <linuxstb> And that's got the 5MB broadcom firmware as well.
14.07.15 #       * Paul_The_Nerd tries gzip
14.07.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mine actually came out slightly bigger with the gzip attempt.
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14.07.57 #       <webguest95> hey people
14.08.17 #       <lImbus> hey webguest
14.08.21 #       <webguest95> anybody know anything bout video on rockbox for h300 series?
14.08.32 #       <lImbus> not yet done :-)
14.08.38 #       <ashridah> yeah. there isn't any, yet.
14.08.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest95: If you wanted to create a plugin for it, it'd make a lot of people happy.
14.08.50 #       <webguest95> You guys developing that thing are great!!!
14.09.15 #       <webguest95> paul i can t program or anything like that , i m just a happy user ;-)
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14.16.20 #       <Lynx> the firmware feature comparison chart is not up to date, is it?
14.16.36 #       <tayshun12> does it dual boot
14.16.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Linx: Probably not so much.
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14.17.06 #       <tayshun12> if i reset my ipod video will it ask which firmware i want to boot??
14.17.07 #       <lImbus> Lynx, probably not, since it does not differentiate between platformsä
14.17.37 #       <Lynx> |Imbus: it does actually. somewhat.
14.17.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tayshun12: It doesn't ask, but yes it does dual boot. Have you read the FAQ?
14.17.51 #       <tayshun12> no i will
14.17.59 #       <tayshun12> wait yes i did
14.18.06 #       <tayshun12> it didnt say anything about that
14.18.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's a question in there that says "My ipod firmware looks funny when I boot into it" which rather heavily implies that it dual boots.
14.18.27 #       <tayshun12> oic lol
14.18.41 #       <tayshun12> how do u get to the normal firmware then?
14.18.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But to boot into apple software, just hold Menu immediately after turning it on.
14.18.52 #       <tayshun12> ok
14.19.00 #       <tayshun12> after a reset?
14.19.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodTips
14.19.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A reset works too, but you can also just turn it off, then turn it on
14.19.24 #       <tayshun12> k thanks
14.20.25 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: What do you think about combining the IpodFAQ and IpodTips pages?
14.20.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I have no objection to it at all. I'm not really sure how it got divided. I'll just go and merge them then.
14.21.14 #       <linuxstb> I think they were just started independently.
14.21.45 #       <linuxstb> We should also include more links from the iPod pages to the generic Rockbox documentation.
14.24.21 #       <Jungti1234> hmm.. bye all
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14.25.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Is there a way to do a redirect in the wiki?
14.27.48 #       <fantomas> Paul_The_Nerd: #redirect [[óÁÊÔ äÕÂÎÙ]]
14.27.58 #       <fantomas> [[New Page]] I mean
14.30.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It looks like twiki needs a plugin to be able to do redirects?
14.31.57 #       <linuxstb> Just put a short sentence saying something like "The tips are now part of the IpodFAQ".  I don't think there will be that many external links going there for it to be an issue.
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14.32.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, I put a "Moved to IpodFAQ" there
14.32.29 #       <linuxstb> Just saw that...
14.33.15 #       <linuxstb> There's a typo around the "How to control Rockbox" heading - it's not being recognised as a heading.
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14.33.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> My fault. A bad copy/paste.
14.34.12 #       <linuxstb> Of course it's your fault :)
14.35.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I also made a small change to an outdated question (since the battery meter now shows permanently full rather than permanently empty, I believe)
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14.35.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, *my* battery meter works.. But, y'know, for most people.
14.35.57 #       <linuxstb> Yes - it's the same on my 4g Color.
14.36.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 5865 seems to work as a scale factor for Nano, I think.
14.47.27 #       <tayshun12> i just installed rockbox on my 5g ipod... ifeel special
14.47.34 #       <tayshun12> thanks for the help
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15.01.11 #       <safetydan> Anyone had a chance to look at my attempt at a new WPS parser? It's been on the tracker for like 12 hours now, surely someone's looked at it :)
15.01.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
15.02.10 #       * Paul_The_Nerd looks at it.
15.02.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup, it's still there
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15.19.48 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: I'm also very puzzled by that xobox patch...
15.20.38 #       <Mikachu> which one?
15.20.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I *think* he wants to start the 'player' moving in one direction, pause it repeatedly until it's at a certain point, then hit a new direction and unpause
15.21.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Guessing from the fact that the other contribution of that patch is an *actual* cheat
15.22.12 #       <linuxstb> So what's the difference between SELECT+MENU and SELECT+PLAY ?
15.22.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> He changed it to MENU | PLAY
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15.23.10 #       <linuxstb> No, he changed it to SELECT | PLAY
15.23.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or not
15.23.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Huh
15.23.53 #       <linuxstb> CHEAT is LEFT | RIGHT, and only defined for iPods - breaking all the other builds.
15.24.23 #       * Paul_The_Nerd isn't a fan of including cheat features intentionally in games that are open source anyway
15.24.47 #       * Paul_The_Nerd also isn't a fan of any button command requiring him to push down opposite sides of his scroll wheel.
15.25.13 #       <B4gder> getting grumpy, are we? ;-P
15.25.16 #       <Mikachu> i think my xobox patch is much better :)
15.25.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm not a fan of a lot of stuff.
15.25.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm a grumpy old man in a far too young for its grumpiness body.
15.26.06 #       <preglow> the volume control on ipod has to go
15.26.13 #       <linuxstb> ?
15.26.21 #       <preglow> it's impossible to keep the player in a pocket without adjusting the volume all the time
15.26.32 #       <linuxstb> hold?
15.26.44 #       <preglow> i don't want to switch hold just to skip a track
15.27.01 #       <preglow> all other players i've used i can keep in my jacket pocket without needing to use hold
15.27.25 #       <preglow> with ipod, it's impossible to find which button to use without stroking the click wheel at the same time
15.28.01 #       <Mikachu> that annoys me in the original firmware too
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15.28.10 #       <preglow> it's not as bad there, is it?
15.28.12 #       <Jungti1234> http://www.pmplab.org/bbs/data/screenshot/Q3.jpg
15.28.15 #       <preglow> what's the default scroll action there?
15.28.19 #       <Mikachu> volume...
15.28.19 #       <Jungti1234> Is it impossible in Rockbox? :)
15.28.39 #       <Mikachu> if you press select once, it's seek, and if you press twice it's rate
15.28.44 #       <Jungti1234> Rockbox programmers are great... hehe
15.28.47 #       <Mikachu> (it's impossible to select a star accurately btw)
15.28.59 #       <Mikachu> i think it would have been better if default was nothing, as you say, and one press volume and etc
15.29.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: I use a skin for my ipod that actually puts the scrollwheel in a recess. Have you looked at iSkins?
15.29.32 #       <Mikachu> i find the transitions between WPS, filesystem and menu a bit confusing
15.29.50 #       <Mikachu> in rockbox
15.30.33 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: is it possible to get without buying five at a time?
15.30.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Yeah
15.30.50 #       <preglow> sounds promising
15.30.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> http://www.iskin.com/duo_nano/features.html
15.31.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm *very* fond of mine
15.31.09 #       <preglow> Mikachu: yeah, me too, but then we have the problem of finding out how to exit the wps
15.31.22 #       <safetydan> preglow, was that cordic code I posted any use or should I work on it some more before mentioning it again?
15.31.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You lose a little sensitivity on the touchwheel while it's on, but other than that it's very nice
15.31.34 #       <preglow> safetydan: haven't had time to test
15.31.56 #       <Jungti1234> hmm :) It may be difficult.
15.32.02 #       <Jungti1234> ok, bye
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15.42.11 #       <muesli__> XavierGr ?
15.42.43 #       <XavierGr> yes?
15.43.07 #       <muesli__> since what year is gk member of the eu?
15.43.53 #       <XavierGr> I am not sure let me check
15.45.07 #       <XavierGr> The country became the tenth member of the European Union on January 1, 1981
15.45.43 #       <muesli__> thx :-)
15.46.01 #       <XavierGr> why you ask?
15.46.37 #       <muesli__> friend of mine was asked who became member of eu in 2004. and it couldnt be gk ;)
15.47.06 #       <XavierGr> what's gk stands for? Greece?
15.47.23 #       <XavierGr> and yes if you meant Greece 2004 is way off from this
15.48.24 #       <linuxstb> muesli__: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_European_Union
15.48.24 #       <muesli__> yepp...i always mix up c and k in greece and greek ;)=
15.56.53 #       <_ironi_> grecke?
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17.40.41 #       <Mmmm> Petur: how's the gui revision going? :)
17.45.13 #       <petur> nothing yet... loaded with payed work :(
17.45.55 #       <Mmmm> euggghhh...
17.46.03 #       <petur> got to go now anyway... /later
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17.52.54 #       <Mmmm> I'm trying to set up a cross compiler for CalmRISC16 but make won't finish without errors. I've set up all the other xcompilers with no probs.
17.53.16 #       <Mmmm> here's the error : make[3]: Entering directory `/home/Martin/build/binutils-calmrisc/bfd/po'
17.53.16 #       <Mmmm> file=../../../../binutils-2.15/bfd/po/`echo fr | sed 's,.*/,,'`.gmo \
17.53.16 #       <Mmmm>   && rm -f $file && PATH=../src:$PATH no -o $file ../../../../binutils-2.15/bfd/po/fr.po
17.53.16 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Mmmm
17.53.16 #       <Mmmm> /bin/sh: no: command not found
17.53.16 #       <Mmmm> make[3]: *** [fr.gmo] Error 127
17.53.36 #       <Mmmm> anyone got any ideas?
17.53.58 #       <Mmmm> (that's when making the binutils btw)
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18.43.44 #       <BoD[]> Hi!
18.45.39 #       <BoD[]> Hey wasn't there a user manual somewhere?
18.46.18 #       <BoD[]> oh nevermind
18.46.22 #       <BoD[]> found it
18.48.18 #       <BoD[]> ok I have a question: is there a way to have a specific file sorting for a directory (and the default one for the others directories)
18.48.46 #       <lostlogic> no
18.48.49 #       <BoD[]> (to be precise, I'd like my podcasts to be sorted by date, most recent first)
18.48.55 #       <BoD[]> no? :(
18.49.11 #       <lostlogic> not at this time -- might be worht coding :-P
18.49.27 #       <BoD[]> that would be very useful !
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18.49.49 #       <lostlogic> seems like you could just name them in such a way as that they would be sorted in the desired fashion
18.50.57 #       <BoD[]> lostlogic: well I'd have to rename all the files everytime there's a new episode
18.51.20 #       <crashd> you could write a patch for it BoD[] 
18.51.31 #       <crashd> or add a menu option to sort by date created
18.51.37 #       <crashd> and/or
18.52.30 #       <BoD[]> i see there's a special .display file
18.52.42 #       <BoD[]> I think that would be a good candidate for that feature
18.53.04 #       <BoD[]> (http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UseDisplayName)
18.54.21 #       <BoD[]> another feature i'd like to see, is an indication of wether a file has been listened to already (and on the directory if it contains a file that has not been listened to yet)
18.54.33 #       <BoD[]> (for podcats as well)
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18.55.35 #       <BoD[]> oh and anotherother feature that would be cool : inversion of the screen when the backlight is off
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18.58.19 #       <webguest69> BoD[]: Just prepend every file with the date in iso-something standard notation? (yyyy-mm-dd)
18.58.37 #       <webguest69> sorting that alphabetically works chronologically as well
18.59.31 #       <BoD[]> webguest69: I'd like to sort by default alphabetically, but my podcasts reverse-alphabetically
18.59.33 #       <markun> BoD[]: will the screen look better inverted?
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19.00.28 #       <BoD[]> markun: if you have light letters on dark background, it's readable when the backlight is off. But if you have the opposite, then when the backlight is off, it's impossible to read
19.00.49 #       <BoD[]> markun: so there could be an option to invert the screen when the backlight is off
19.02.00 #       <webguest69> BoD[]: well true, that'd give you oldest-first, but on the positive side, works with current Rockbox
19.02.22 #       <BoD[]> webguest69: :) 
19.02.40 #       <BoD[]> webguest69: i'll send a feature request
19.04.32 #       <BoD[]> anyway thanks guys
19.04.36 #       <BoD[]> I go home
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20.36.35 #       <webguest69> What on earth is the dice plugin doing?
20.36.46 #       <webguest69> What do the 3 dashes mean?
20.37.04 #       <XavierGr> picks a random number, with the dice of you choice
20.37.37 #       <XavierGr> \your
20.37.38 #       <webguest69> yes, well.. I meant on the setup screen, it's acting really strangely
20.37.42 #       <webguest69> strange
20.38.10 #       <webguest69> there are some dashes under the numbers
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20.38.24 #       <lostlogic> they indicate which of the two parameters you are adjusting
20.38.26 #       <XavierGr> 2 dashes mean that you control how many dices to roll
20.38.41 #       <XavierGr> 3 dashes indicate what sort of dice you want to roll.
20.38.46 #       <lostlogic> I'm probably going to switch to using the asterisk method I use on the player at some time soon
20.38.48 #       <webguest69> Not very obvious if you ask me
20.39.00 #       <lostlogic> webguest69: change it if you want
20.39.02 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic truth is misalgnied
20.39.10 #       <webguest69> maybe with a proportional font
20.39.15 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: if you use a fixed width font it is aligned
20.39.28 #       <XavierGr> ohh didn't know that.
20.39.34 #       <webguest69> Why not just draw it instead?
20.39.39 #       <XavierGr> but better an asterisk
20.39.45 #       <lostlogic> webguest69: because I'm not a GUI person and have no idea hwo to do that
20.39.49 #       <lostlogic> webguest69: change it if you want.
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20.40.11 #       <webguest69> Oh no, I'm content with just complaining :)
20.40.17 #       <lostlogic> ::rolleyes::
20.40.44 #       <webguest69> Well, at first I didn't get it at all, so I was mostly asking what was going on
20.41.09 #       <webguest69> there's some call to use the system font (which is proportional)
20.42.50 #       <webguest69> rb->lcd_setfont (FONT_SYSFIXED);
20.43.12 #       <webguest69> I guess that could do the trick
20.43.37 #       <XavierGr> yes but obviously the author wants the user to use his font.
20.43.59 #       <Mikachu> it's just a dice plugin, i don't think the font matters..
20.44.27 #       <webguest69> well, it matters (a bit) if it confuses the user
20.44.33 #       <Mikachu> it's not like you'd walk up to someone and say "hey, check out this cool rockbox plugin, it uses the font i selected in the main menu"
20.44.52 #       <XavierGr> well, there are not many lines so a small font will be difficult to read
20.45.06 #       <XavierGr> not many lines of info I mean
20.45.32 #       <XavierGr> it is better to take advantage of the screen.
20.45.42 #       <XavierGr> FONT_SYSFIXED is too tiny IMHO.
20.45.50 #       <Mikachu> it's not so small on my nano :)
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20.46.11 #       <XavierGr> you 've got a NANO. That says pretty much everything
20.46.23 #       <XavierGr> imagine if you had the 5g video
20.46.35 #       <safetydan> It's not small, it's just information dense :)
20.46.47 #       <Mikachu> maybe FONT_SYSFIXED should be bigger on the video
20.46.54 #       <webguest69> that's a point
20.47.02 #       <webguest69> I saw something about that in the logs some day
20.47.36 #       <webguest69> apparently the font it was copied from originally  comes in larger sizes, so it's entirely possible
20.47.41 #       <webguest69> I think
20.48.10 #       <Mikachu> yeah, it comes in most sizes between 5x8 and 12x24 i think
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20.48.40 #       <Mikachu> 4x6 to 12x24 even
20.48.46 #       <Mikachu> but i don't like 4x6 :)
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20.50.10 #       <Mikachu> http://mikachu.ath.cx/4x6.png :)
20.50.25 #       <lostlogic> Well dice was a pretty quick whack for me, so I didn't really initially intend to include it... but then paul helped port it to other devices... obviously someone needs to pick it up and make it friendly (please?)
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20.53.25 #       <XavierGr> I will see what I can do lostlogic. But no promises.
20.53.40 #       <XavierGr> Define friendly though.
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20.54.40 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: make it so devices with less buttons will have an easier time using it (by making it wrap around the edges on l/r presses), better instructional text, pay attention to how many lines the screen can display, calibrate number of available dice and dice per row to characters per line
20.54.45 #       <lostlogic> things of that general nature
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20.56.14 #       <webguest69> A more obvious indication of which setting is being changed
20.56.43 #       <webguest69> dice animation! sound! 3d stereoscopic images!
20.56.57 #       <webguest69> or maybe not.
20.57.08 #       <lostlogic> animation would definitely be neat -- leverage the cube plugin code? :-P :-D
20.57.20 #       <Mikachu> stereoscopic with two players
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20.57.25 #       <XavierGr> hehe
20.57.29 #       <XavierGr> that would be awesome
20.57.52 #       <XavierGr> Welcome Linus
21.01.16 #       <safetydan> hrm... writing a parser that works is hard than you think...
21.01.22 #       <safetydan> harder even
21.03.53 #       <lostlogic> safetydan: whacha parsin'? in what language?
21.04.18 #       <XavierGr> I guess the WPS
21.04.29 #       <XavierGr> he is trying to make a better parser.
21.04.58 #       <safetydan> pretty much
21.05.00 #       <LinusN> better in what way?
21.05.06 #       <safetydan> better as in more understandable (I hope)
21.05.16 #       <safetydan> also going with the tokenising idea
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21.06.23 #       <safetydan> There's a patch in the tracker if anyone else wants to take a look. It's not complete and I'm not even sure if it will achieve the goals I want.
21.06.28 #       <safetydan> But might as well try :)
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21.15.49 #       <lostlogic> safetydan: ah, was going to ask you if you'd looked at that patch
21.16.16 #       <lostlogic> yeah, it's definitely a non-trivial task, but converting WPS elements into structured data will make display faster and more flexible
21.16.19 #       <safetydan> lostlogic, I looked at it, but it didn't apply anymore and I thought it might be worth redoing the parsing at the same time as tokenising
21.16.32 #       <lostlogic> *nod*
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22.01.45 #       <markun> Is it possible to change a commit message?
22.01.57 #       <linuxstb> Yes, "cvs admin"
22.02.40 #       <markun> I'm not sure if I should, but the message of my last commit was not very useful
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22.05.48 #       <linuxstb> It would be something like: cvs admin -m 1.42:"New message" filename1 
22.05.50 #       <markun> Toshiba is not going to release the new Gigabeat in Europe, I wonder why. http://dapreview.net/comment.php?comment.news.3059
22.05.59 #       <linuxstb> (You'll have to do it three times)
22.06.04 #       <markun> ok
22.06.05 #       <markun> thanks
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22.06.13 #       <ChrisK> er, really stupid question, but which folder do i put a rom in in rockbox
22.06.16 #       <linuxstb> But I don't think you will be shot if you left it as it is.
22.06.20 #       <ChrisK> on an ipod 5g if that helps
22.06.27 #       <linuxstb> ChrisK: A Gameboy ROM?
22.06.33 #       <ChrisK> yes
22.06.39 #       <linuxstb> Anywhere you want to.
22.06.48 #       <ChrisK> Hmm.
22.06.51 #       <lostlogic> does rockboy work on ipv??
22.06.57 #       <linuxstb> You just browse to it using the file browser, and then select it as if it was a music file.
22.06.58 #       <ChrisK> i got ipl working on ipv
22.07.07 #       <markun> linuxstb: I'll leave it like this then, and think a bit harder before I hit enter.
22.07.11 #       <markun> next time
22.07.48 #       <linuxstb> ChrisK: Yes, but it doesn't work in full-screen mode (which is unfortunately the default).  You just need to open the menu and toggle the fullscreen option.  Also, the button assignments aren't very useful at the moment on the iPods.
22.08.43 #       <ChrisK> I saw the topic about full-screen mode on the forums thanks, and I just want to get it running because I have nothing better to do.
22.09.35 #       <Mikachu> this is sort of a silly question since i turn the option off in apple os, but will the piezo-clicks be implemented at some point?
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22.09.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oooh
22.10.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Someone should make a morse code plugin that interprets a .txt file and outputs it in piezo clicks!
22.10.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> :-P
22.10.18 #       <Mikachu> i thought it might be plausible since it works in ipl
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22.10.21 #       <fairway> hi
22.10.34 #       <fairway> where can I find some decent themes for the ipod photo?
22.10.36 #       <Mikachu> but i'm not much for reading code that looks like 0x32434 = 0x324234 | 0x8686 << 12;
22.10.43 #       <markun> Paul_The_Nerd: if slasheri had an ipod he'd do it for sure :)
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22.11.22 #       <kclaf> did sm1 manage to get the foobar2000/ItunesDB trick to work ?
22.11.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> fairway: Go to misticriver.net and look for an H300 WPS thread.
22.12.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> kclaf: I don't believe so. I think foo_pod needs to be updated to work with the newer itunes version
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22.13.22 #       <kclaf> ah k, crap
22.13.22 #       <kclaf> what has it do to with itunes tho ?
22.13.22 #       <kclaf> new itunes version = new itunes db version ?
22.13.23 #       <linuxstb> Does foo_pod warn you if your filenames are too long for the itunesdb?
22.13.44 #       <kclaf> i have no idea, i didnt try the trick yet
22.14.15 #       <kclaf> im curious, because my alpine car player requires apple original fw of course to play files
22.14.18 #       <linuxstb> kclaf: Yes - Apple are always changing the in tunesdb format.  So it's a constant battle to keep the parsers up to date.
22.14.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> kclaf: Well, newer itunes db version, really. As far as I'm aware the trick doesn't work on Video or Nano.
22.14.39 #       <kclaf> ok, thanks for your answers guys
22.15.23 #       <kclaf> i guess i have to stick to having my mp3 collection twice on the ipod for now
22.16.00 #       <crashd> anyone got much idea what they changed in the new metadata to stop foopod working properly?
22.16.11 #       <Mikachu> kclaf: you could ditch apple os :)
22.16.22 #       <Mikachu> kclaf: oh sorry, i didn't read that one important line
22.17.00 #       <kclaf> hehe
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22.17.14 #       <kclaf> i would ditch apple os if i could
22.17.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> kclaf: What does the Alpine car player use, other than line out and power?
22.17.49 #       <linuxstb> If you send me your alpine car player (and the car it is in), then I'll work on it...
22.17.49 #       <kclaf> well
22.18.07 #       <kclaf> i can control the ipod from the player
22.18.17 #       <kclaf> and player displays mp3 tags
22.18.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah
22.18.35 #       <kclaf> that's very convenient
22.18.58 #       <kclaf> see http://www.alpinefullspeed.com/go.html
22.19.18 #       <kclaf> section : See it work
22.21.15 #       <kclaf> thats why i patched my bootloader too
22.21.24 #       <kclaf> in order to select apple fw as default
22.22.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Are the songs actually played on the iPod, or is it just treated as an external HD, and the songs played on the head unit?
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22.25.00 #       <kclaf> played on the ipod
22.25.11 #       <stripwax> ello
22.25.14 #       <kclaf> i guess the alpine send commands to ipod
22.25.17 #       <kclaf> +s
22.25.22 #       <kclaf> like itunedb requests
22.25.31 #       <kclaf> and play, pause cdms
22.25.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hm
22.26.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Weird
22.26.03 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: It's described here: http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
22.26.23 #       <kclaf> ah yes, nice
22.26.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> As a head unit, I'd much rather have it transfer the compressed data, and have the head unit do the decoding/playback, but that's just me.
22.26.56 #       <linuxstb> But it's easier for Alpine if the ipod does all the hard work.
22.27.00 #       <kclaf> hmm
22.27.07 #       <kclaf> im not sure the way it works tho
22.27.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Fair enough I suppose. I'm just used to in-dash CD players that read MP3s from the disk, I kinda assumed one with an iPod hookup would at least have the ability to decode MP3s otherwise. :)
22.28.22 #       <kclaf> well the head unit can decode mp3
22.28.27 #       <kclaf> so you might be right
22.28.37 #       <kclaf> as i told you, i didnt really checked
22.28.52 #       <kclaf> perhaps i can try to make it work with rockbox, dunno
22.29.23 #       <linuxstb> It would be very unlikely - unless it just puts the iPod into disk mode as Paul_The_Nerd suggested.
22.29.48 #       <webguest69> Can you play AACs?
22.29.55 #       <kclaf> yea
22.29.57 #       <webguest69> I doubt many car-players can do that
22.30.02 #       <crashd> might just be a lineout
22.30.03 #       <webguest69> probably the ipod then
22.30.05 #       <kclaf> so it's the ipod that decodes
22.30.08 #       <kclaf> hehe right
22.30.14 #       <crashd> or using some of the pins for information
22.30.23 #       <crashd> it's hard to tell really ;\
22.30.27 #       <kclaf> yea
22.30.33 #       <linuxstb> The AiR protocol as described on that page would seem the most likely.
22.30.35 #       <webguest69> linout, and some control-wires
22.30.38 #       <crashd> yeah
22.31.57 #       <crashd> hmm
22.32.02 #       <kclaf> do the ppl who worked on Apple Accessory Protocol plan to port it on IPL or smthing ?
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22.32.08 #       <crashd> i wonder what emulators itd be worth porting to rockbox
22.32.45 #       <linuxstb> A Palm emulator?
22.32.52 #       <crashd> :o
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22.33.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> crashd: I can think of a few game/system emulators people have requested that might be doable.
22.33.33 #       <crashd> Paul_The_Nerd: are they in requests?
22.34.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> crashd: They're usually drive-by requestings.
22.34.11 #       <crashd> heh
22.34.19 #       <crashd> i love it when people commit to helping a project out.
22.34.20 #       <crashd> ¬_¬
22.35.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I serve dutifully in my role as whipping boy, and "First line of tech support defense"
22.35.41 #       <crashd> heh
22.36.31 #       <crashd> hmms, what about the nes
22.36.37 #       <crashd> it isnt a particularly taxing system
22.36.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That is the most commonly requested one
22.36.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And one that would make *me* incredibly happy
22.36.50 #       <crashd> hehe
22.37.01 #       <crashd> the one that'd make me happy is SNES, but that's never going to happen
22.37.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, not with sound, or at any decent speed at least.
22.37.44 #       <crashd> yeah
22.37.50 #       <crashd> and there just isnt enough buttons on any of the targets
22.37.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> True
22.38.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, there are on an H1x0/3x0 with remote
22.38.21 #       <crashd> well, i guess
22.38.25 #       <crashd> but ive only got an ipod 5g
22.38.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
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22.38.32 #       <crashd> so testing wouldnt be fun : )
22.38.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Indeed
22.38.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'd say NES is a good choice if you're planning on making one. Very popular system, that one. I've still got mine hooked up, and in working order.
22.39.05 #       <crashd> heh
22.39.11 #       <linuxstb> crashd: I've started collecting links to potential emulators at the bottom of the PluginPacbox page (probably not the best place)
22.39.18 #       <Mikachu> the wheel gives 90 different value, so if you have extremely exact motor skills you could use a system with 90 buttons :)
22.39.36 #       <crashd> cheers linuxstb 
22.39.43 #       <kclaf> ( ok you guys were right, ERROR (foo_pod) : Unable to parse iTunesDB file ;d )
22.39.55 #       <linuxstb> The emulator world have some odd licenses though - not very much GPL'd.
22.39.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 96, isn't it?
22.40.31 #       <linuxstb> crashd: Someone really needs to give Rockboy a little attention for the ipods as well.
22.40.44 #       <crashd> yeah
22.40.48 #       <crashd> i was testing that out last night
22.40.48 #       <Mikachu> yeah, i remember it's 0x5f
22.40.50 #       <crashd> it's a bit borked
22.41.16 #       <linuxstb> All it needs is some display scaling code (for the 5g fullscreen mode, and for the Nano), plus some attention to the buttons.
22.41.23 #       <Mikachu> i wrote that number a lot when i made the absolute steering for brickmania
22.41.47 #       <linuxstb> The greyscale ipods probably don't work either...
22.42.08 #       <linuxstb> Which reminds me, I don't think anyone has tested the 3g audio fix I committed a while ago...  I wonder if it works.
22.42.40 #       <crashd> rockboy supports gbc roms?
22.42.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> SLowly
22.42.49 #       <crashd> heh
22.43.25 #       <linuxstb> A long list of emulators, mostly GPL'd: http://www.linux.org/apps/all/System/Emulators.html
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22.45.15 #       <crashd> lets have a look at the rockboy code then
22.45.18 #       <crashd> who's the current maintainer?
22.45.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, the last person who changed it was kkurbjun I think? But I don't think it's really being "maintained" so much...
22.46.04 #       <crashd> ahh, ok
22.47.39 #       <linuxstb> crashd: You've found a job for yourself :)
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22.47.46 #       <crashd> heh
22.47.52 #       <crashd> ill take a look, ill have to figure out how it works first
22.47.58 #       <crashd> otherwise ill just be stabbing in the dark ;)
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22.56.39 #       <crashd> linuxstb: what functions does the rockbox api have for drawing to lcd's?
22.56.53 #       <webguest69> GraphicsAPI wikipage
22.56.58 #       <crashd> thanks we
22.57.13 #       <crashd> webguest69: 
22.57.13 #       <crashd> sigh.
22.57.24 #       <webguest69> Aaanyway, time for me to dash
22.57.25 #       <linuxstb> crashd: You don't want to use the GraphicsAPI - you want to write the data directly to the lcd_framebuffer array.
22.57.51 #       <crashd> linuxstb: yeah, i was assuming as much, i havent done any development in rockbox yet
22.57.59 #       <crashd> so im just tryng to figure out how everything clicks in place
22.58.03 #       <webguest69> oh right, this was in the context of rockboy, silly me
22.58.24 #       <linuxstb> Taking the 5g as an example, the lcd_framebuffer is simply "unsigned short lcd_framebuffer[320][240];"
22.58.50 #       <linuxstb> The function lcd_update() is used to copy the contents of that framebuffer to the LCD hardware.
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23.00.19 #       <linuxstb> Strictly speaking, the type of the array is "fb_data" - which is unsigned short for the 16-bit colour displays.
23.01.37 #       <crashd> hmmm, ok
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23.05.38 #       <crashd> does rockboy rescale the emulated lcd under h1x and h3x?
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23.06.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Under h1x it trims some lines, I believe
23.06.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Every Xth line is just removed, though I don't know what X is.
23.06.18 #       <ohrn> evening folks
23.06.49 #       <ohrn> I trying to compile rockbox with profiling enabled
23.07.08 #       <ohrn> but the only thing that happened is that suddenly pacbox cant find it's roms anymore...
23.07.47 #       <ohrn> can anyone plz clue med in on what I should do to get profiling up and running?
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23.08.32 #       <nls> hmm tucoz isn't here
23.09.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Isn't enabling profiling supposed to be just a matter of changing/adding a #define?
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23.10.07 #       <nls> anyway I saw helloworld and the grayscale demo in the latex manual and thought they should be removed.
23.10.21 #       <nls> as they aren't built anyway
23.10.39 #       <voltagex> hi, I can't get gcc to compile for m68k for rockbox, even with the cross con
23.10.39 #       <markun> isn't lostlogic the profiling man?
23.10.49 #       <voltagex> *cross compilers installed
23.11.26 #       <linuxstb> crashd: The Gameboy's screen is 160x144  So it needs to drop some lines for the H1x0's 160x128 screen.
23.11.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> voltagex: What error do you get, specifically? And did you use the cygwin packages, or did you create the cross compilers manually?
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23.11.44 #       <crashd> ahh, i see
23.11.51 #       <linuxstb> crashd: The H300's LCD is 220x176 - so the fullscreen mode is scaled up.
23.12.07 #       <linuxstb> Those are the two main targets so far in Rockboy's life.
23.12.12 #       <crashd> and the h300 scaling does work?
23.12.20 #       <linuxstb> But I think it also works on the Archos 112x64 LCD.
23.12.49 #       <linuxstb> crashd: Yes - the iPod 4G Color/Photo has an identical sized LCD
23.13.11 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: Yes, but rather bad
23.13.16 #       <crashd> the 5g is a little bit bigger isnt it
23.13.18 #       <voltagex> Paul_The_Nerd: ah, prc-tool-m68k isn't the cross compiler then - it's looking for m68k-gcc... I'm on debian right now
23.13.31 #       <amiconn> Almost every other pixel is skipped, and on archos it's b/w only
23.13.39 #       <amiconn> ...and also it's sloo-oow
23.14.02 #       <nls> but in sim it's faa-aast
23.14.06 #       <nls> :)
23.14.07 #       <amiconn> hehe
23.14.18 #       <voltagex> ouch, the iRiver's power adaptor gives a nasty shock.
23.14.28 #       <amiconn> On archos target you'll get 3..5 fps
23.14.52 #       <nls> any thoughts on killing grayscale and helloworld plugins in amnual
23.14.58 #       <nls> manual
23.15.11 #       <amiconn> Kill 'em, I'd say
23.15.17 #       <voltagex> nls: they'd be useful for me as that's what I'm trying to make right now...
23.15.19 #       <amiconn> They are just developer examples
23.15.40 #       <voltagex> Paul_The_Nerd: any ideas?
23.15.45 #       <LinusN> amiconn: so is there really a point in distributing rockboy for archos?
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23.16.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> voltagex: www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
23.16.22 #       <amiconn> LinusN: There are still hopes someone starts optimising it
23.16.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Everything you need to know about setting up the proper tools for rockbox development in Linux. :)
23.16.46 #       <amiconn> Back when implementing the loader idea I had a look at the gnuboy asm cpu core (x86)
23.17.03 #       <voltagex> Paul_The_Nerd: ok, I better get myself x-window-system as I hate lynx
23.17.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
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23.17.42 #       <amiconn> I didn't manage to understand it, as it uses a load of macros, hiding (to me) what's actually going on
23.18.05 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i'm sure it can be further optimized, but will it ever be playable enough to be fun to use?
23.18.25 #       <voltagex> LinusN: that's basically what I was asking yesterday.
23.19.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> voltagex: They're talking about on archos, where it's considerably slower. I consider it fast enough to be fun on my H120
23.20.23 #       <voltagex> Paul_The_Nerd: some games are playable on the h340, like pokemon blue, nearly all gbc games run at 1-2 fps
23.20.41 #       <voltagex> and pokemon blue runs at about 10fps
23.21.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> voltagex: Well, it was originally intended as a GB emulator (the rockbox port), so the color code may have some difficulties anyway. I play turn based RPGs anyway, so 10-15 fps is fine.
23.22.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And I heard older games tend to run better
23.22.17 #       <voltagex> Paul_The_Nerd: I'll be happy with pokemon for now :D, the frameskip option doesn't seem to do much
23.22.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> voltagex: I believe it defaults to automatic frameskip, so generally it's not worth changing.
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23.22.55 #       <voltagex> I've got a friend interested in RockBoy now so there might be some small patches coming in.
23.23.41 #       <tucoz> nls, kill'em :)
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23.23.47 #       <voltagex> and I'll have Hello World running on Rockbox soon enough :D
23.24.06 #       <tucoz> nls, nice work on the patches btw
23.24.12 #       <nls> oh thx
23.24.33 #       <nls> I'm looking at oscilloscope now
23.24.35 #       <tucoz> Did you read the discussion on button-naming earlier today?
23.24.41 #       <nls> yep
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23.24.49 #       <nls> I like it
23.25.09 #       <tucoz> me too. That will make it easier to make tables.
23.25.12 #       <nls> less \opt is a Good Thing tm
23.25.31 #       <tucoz> And easier to have consequent naming to the buttons as well
23.26.02 #       <amiconn> hrm, oscilloscope misses a wiki page :grumble:
23.26.03 #       <voltagex> well, that *is* interesting. I'm over my download limit, speed limited in Windows but not in Linux
23.26.21 #       <nls> Yes, a thought on that, maybe Left is better than LEFT etc
23.26.38 #       <tucoz> iirc, linuxstb said he would work on the button macros ;-)
23.27.05 #       <nls> amiconn:  wanna make a short writeup? :)
23.27.05 #       <tucoz> I think so too. Left looks prettier than LEFT somehow
23.27.24 #       <crashd> urgh, im gonna have to look through the cvs history for rockboy
23.28.22 #       <Mikachu> cd apps/plugins/rockboy; cvs2cl.pl
23.28.24 #       <Mikachu> may help a little?
23.30.46 #       <sharpe> wonderful...
23.31.48 #       <tucoz> nls, I could just remove helloworld and grayscale right now if you want. Should I delete the files as well, or keep them?
23.32.03 #       <nls> I say delete :)
23.32.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I dunno
23.32.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The plugins *do* exist
23.32.19 #       <ohrn> the function profstart takes int current_thread as an argument, where can I find the correct value to give it?
23.32.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They just don't currently get built.
23.32.22 #       <tucoz> But not for users
23.32.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The manual doesn't exist just for users, though.
23.32.38 #       <Mikachu> are they helpful when making a new manual entry for a plugin?
23.32.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It also exists for new developers, or as a reference for older ones.
23.32.56 #       <tucoz> Mikachu, not really. Then I would suggest bejeweled or a similar
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23.33.43 #       <nls> text from helloworld :This is a plugin demo for hackers. Every programmer’s first program is the
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23.33.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There should be an "developer" build of the manual, with additional things, the things you have to crawl the wiki for currently
23.33.56 #       <tucoz> Hmm, undecided issue. Let's say we keep them for a while, until the manual is in a presentable shape
23.34.23 #       <nls> k
23.34.31 #       <tucoz> In all the other aspects that is.
23.34.38 #       <nls> ;-)
23.35.23 #       <ohrn> hum, theres a global named current_thread, would that do? well, lets try! :)
23.36.01 #       <tucoz> Paul_The_Nerd, that would be nice. Like 'Rockbox - programmers reference'
23.37.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tucoz: At the very least it should be a build of the manual with all sections, but it'd be nice if where available some sort of 'programmers footnotes' could be included with useful API info, or other things that could be helpful for a new programmer interested in the project.
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23.37.38 #       <LinusN> ehum, if we can't even keep the wiki up-to-date with developer info, what makes you think we would keep a programmers reference manual up-to-date?
23.38.09 #       <LinusN> a total waste imho
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23.38.15 #       <tucoz> LinusN, we don't ;)
23.38.24 #       <tucoz> at least I don't
23.38.28 #       <Mikachu> a programmers reference to last years release
23.38.29 #       <ohrn> just do what I do, join IRC and nag the developers untill I get kicked!
23.38.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> LinusN: Absolutely fair. I'm not really talking about a programming reference manual. Just a "full" build of the manual, with the occasional extra if someone feels like it.
23.38.40 #       <LinusN>  /kick ohrn 
23.38.41 #       <Mikachu> ohrn: that doesn't work if you are the devs
23.38.44 #       <ohrn> that makes me learn pretty quick!
23.39.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just think there should always be a way to get a version of the manual that covers all the rockbox features, independent of target-specificity.
23.39.15 #       <ohrn> hehe
23.39.20 #       <tucoz> Paul_The_Nerd, we could include a small 'Start hacking' section. For instance a small plugin example or something.
23.40.20 #       <tucoz> Paul_The_Nerd, that could probably be done (eventually)
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23.40.51 #       <LinusN> i can write the "start hacking" section here and now:
23.41.01 #       <LinusN> http://www.rockbox.org
23.41.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
23.41.05 #       <tucoz> hehe
23.41.27 #       <webguest69> hard to know where to start if you come in fresh
23.41.38 #       <LinusN> plus, if i were a developer, the last place i would look would be the manual
23.41.49 #       <webguest69> this is true
23.42.17 #       <tucoz> LinusN, you are probably right. It is a _users_ manual after all.
23.42.22 #       <LinusN> yup
23.42.36 #       <Paprica> LinusN, could you check rockcalendar now?
23.42.45 #       <tucoz> Which I (and everyone else) should not forget when writing it.
23.43.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I read the manual to try to learn about the features of Rockbox, in terms of what it could do, and the interface design, etc.
23.43.04 #       <LinusN> Paprica: what about the monday issue on non-rtc targets?
23.43.37 #       <LinusN> Paprica: also, i heard some complaints about the keyboard
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23.43.59 #       <Paprica> yes i know
23.44.06 #       <Paprica> i need to do little change with it
23.44.11 #       <Paprica> (the keyboard)
23.44.24 #       <LinusN> imho, we should work on the standard keyboard entry in rockbox
23.44.31 #       <LinusN> and use that one in the calendar as well
23.44.43 #       <Paprica> and about the monday, i dont know, i dont have a non rtc target, so i cant check it
23.44.53 #       <tucoz> That I agree on. I never know where space is :)
23.45.48 #       <Paprica> LinusN, people love the design of the calendar with the
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23.45.56 #       <Paprica> "special"keyboard
23.47.44 #       <tucoz> good night.
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23.48.05 #       <lImbus> geee, that was fast
23.48.46 #       <obo> hi - would anyone object if I spoke to the audioscrobbler guys about what kind of log file they'd want?
23.48.56 #       <ohrn> I have a doc update... docs/TECH forgot to mention that profile_thread() is part of the plugin api
23.49.02 #       <obo> I know one of them popped in here a little while back
23.49.02 #       <BHSPitLappy> I would
23.49.40 #       <ohrn> and docs/TECH doesn't discuss plugins, so it took me a while to figure out where that darn function was defined... :)
23.50.43 #       <obo> BHSPitLappy: ??
23.50.58 #       <BHSPitLappy> ... don't listen to me.
23.51.24 #       <obo> okay :)
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23.51.59 #       <webguest69> last I heard, they didn't like offline devices
23.52.47 #       <voltagex> what was the cross compilers wiki link again?
23.52.48 #       <obo> webguest69: they say they're going to relax the rules in the 1.2 protocol
23.53.08 #       <obo> http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060217.txt - 16:13 onwards
23.53.43 #       <obo> but yes, at the mo the spam filter just eats the entries
23.54.02 #       <webguest69> That's interesting
23.54.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler
23.54.31 #       <webguest69> I'm thinking they'll still require an RTC though, possibly?
23.54.40 #       <voltagex> Paul_The_Nerd: it's not linked anywhere in the wiki is it?
23.54.53 #       <webguest69> ah, that's covered
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23.56.35 #       <obo> I've written something that spits out the data (extra bits in database.c) but I don't know if anyone else already has this covered?
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23.57.24 #       <obo> am I right in thinking rockbox doesn't have a localtime function?
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23.58.33 #       <webguest69> What would you want of it?
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