--- Log for 17.03.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 11 days and 23 hours ago 00.00.42 Quit webmind_ (Connection reset by peer) 00.02.09 Quit bluey (Remote closed the connection) 00.06.01 Join webguest91 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 00.06.40 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.06.49 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 00.07.16 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.08.11 # wow, this starbox is pretty cool, http://www.origami.cz/Bin/starbox.gif 00.08.31 # it's been a while since i did origame... took me like 15 minutes 00.09.15 # unasmking the timer2 interrupt just causes everything to hang 00.09.20 # so it's clear i'm not acking the correct interrupt 00.10.10 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.10.14 # * webguest91 lightly curses vim 00.13.25 # KE KE KE KE 00.13.28 # what did it do now? 00.13.30 # Having \n mean null isn't what I'd have expected. 00.13.33 # system.c is becmoing a bloody mess thanks to the ipods 00.13.40 # i added the interrupt handler in the wrong section 00.13.47 # um, it doesn't mean null 00.14.07 # heh 00.14.45 # Mikachu: in vim substitutions it does 00.14.52 Join DrumRBoy320 [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) 00.14.57 # * petur feels he's not ready yet to analyze disassembly :( 00.14.59 Quit webguest91 ("CGI:IRC") 00.15.01 # hello everybody 00.15.03 # it doesn't... 00.15.04 # petur: what'cha looking for? 00.15.04 Join webguest91 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 00.15.06 # Anyone have any suggestions about how often I should call rb->yield() from pacbox. Currently it's never called... 00.15.12 # linuxstb: nice 00.15.25 # linuxstb: it's a pretty empirical thing, just try it 00.15.32 # does RB for teh 5g iPod 60g support the full 64Mb ram yet? 00.15.33 # preglow: what iriver's doing with regards to usbotg 00.15.37 # probably a couple of times a frame 00.15.45 # DrumRBoy320: no 00.15.58 # thats abummer 00.16.00 # does it need to be that much if audio isn't playing at the time? 00.16.02 # like what is this: move.l #-0x20000001, d0 00.17.03 # I know you guys cant really give ETAs on things or features but is it hard work to get EQ working on Ipod5G along with smooth mp3 playback ? 00.17.38 # kclaf: doesn't eq and mp3 play together? 00.17.42 # Mikachu: :help sub-replace-special tells me "\n insert a ( in the file)" 00.17.42 # kclaf: it does on nano 00.17.49 Join Doomed_9 [0] (n=nnscript@ool-4353c24e.dyn.optonline.net) 00.18.01 # kclaf: What bitrate are your MP3s? 00.18.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 00.18.07 # 192 00.18.09 # or VBR 00.18.12 Nick Doomed_9 is now known as Doomed (n=nnscript@ool-4353c24e.dyn.optonline.net) 00.18.19 Nick Doomed is now known as Doomed9 (n=nnscript@ool-4353c24e.dyn.optonline.net) 00.18.22 # webguest91: oh you mean on the righthand side 00.18.23 # petur: move.l #efffffff, d0? 00.18.33 # webguest91: just press ctrl-v enter i think 00.18.42 # kclaf: Basically, the real problem is just that the mp3 codec needs to be optimized more for arm. 00.18.42 # hmmm is it that simple... 00.18.45 # petur: kclaf do you mean just when you are adjusting the eq? 00.18.51 # preglow : it plays together, but mp3 is not smooth at all 00.18.59 # Mikachu: Ah, yes.. multiline matching is a thing of the devil.. and yes, ctrl-v enter indeed. 00.18.59 # no preglow 00.19.04 # petur: i don't know, that's just from what i'm remembering about two's complement 00.19.04 # all the time 00.19.07 # kclaf: really? 00.19.12 # that's bad 00.19.27 # yea, sound cuts like every 10 seconds 00.19.28 # webguest91: i can agree that is a bit weird 00.19.34 # petur: god knows why objdump choses to format a constant like that 00.19.34 # i would put \0 as null if anything 00.20.07 # kclaf: well, no promises, but i'm going to work on optimising mp3 on ipod in a little while 00.20.15 # Mikachu: That's match though 00.20.21 # That is, backreference 00.20.25 # ah yeah 00.20.29 # i should perhaps try to use a less complicated theme, could that help ? 00.20.36 # im currently using brushed metal 00.20.38 # regexes always make my head hurt 00.20.43 # kclaf: A simple theme, and not having a backdrop image, would both help. 00.20.45 # kclaf: try going out to the menu 00.20.55 # ok, second 00.21.04 # (i'm assuming the wps isn't drawn underneath the menu) 00.24.25 # ok, playing from the menu makes it smooth 00.25.07 # i guess i have to use some other theme until mp3 decoding is optimized 00.28.14 # graphics is too bloody heavy on colour targets yet 00.28.18 # seriously needs to be fixed 00.29.18 # right, this usbotg will have to wait another week (holiday) 00.29.41 # see y'all in a week 00.29.43 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 00.29.48 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 00.30.01 # and i have a fading backlight! 00.31.18 # on ipod 5g? 00.31.39 Nick Spida_ is now known as Spida (i=Spida@p508A3C73.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.31.42 # yep 00.31.46 # that is, nano 00.31.49 # but 5g as well, probably 00.31.58 # I'm sure :) 00.32.01 Quit SereRokR ("XChat Aqua") 00.32.30 # it'll need quite a bit of restructuring before i can commit it 00.32.50 # the code was heavily h1x0 centric and duplicated code everywhere 00.33.23 # so the ipods have a variable backlight, or is it done with pwm? 00.33.45 # pwm 00.33.52 # it looks like 4g has some other way of doing it 00.34.05 # but the good news for me is that timer 2 works 00.34.11 # and that ipod now has a timer.c module 00.35.20 # so i'll just commit that part of it now and deal with the backlight later 00.35.49 # hmm, atm nothing that desperatly needs atimer comes to my mind, but as time goes by... 00.36.37 # grayscale lib on 4g grayscale and lower... 00.37.04 # hey, is the iriver 120 port still being worked on? 00.37.11 Join webmind [0] (i=webmind@feather.perl6.nl) 00.37.34 # Yes - no port is ever finished. 00.37.41 # preglow: I did some testing regarding the gpio on ipod 5g. The 8 in 0x6000d824 you have mentioned is insignificant. So using 0x6000d024 has the same effect (at least for me). 00.38.00 # herz42: not for me 00.38.14 # ohh 00.38.17 # herz42: that is, it depends 00.38.37 # all the 6000d824 writing i've seen uses 0x100 anded in with the value to be written 00.38.45 # if i remove that, then it doesn't work 00.38.55 # however, for 6000d024 it doesn't matter 00.39.18 # k 00.39.20 # so there is some difference 00.39.24 Nick scf is now known as Zzzcf (n=scf@141-113-207-82.ip.ukrtel.net) 00.39.47 # ouch 00.39.56 # backlight fading isn't as smooth as on h120 00.40.04 # probably due to the lower clock, then 00.40.15 # hmm, no, that shouldn't be so 00.40.21 # the switch interval is way higher 00.40.35 # hm...i wonder if it will ever play music when u play a rom 00.41.47 Quit [IDC]Dragon ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.42.06 # when we start using two cores, it should play music whatever you do 00.42.22 # preglow: Yeah, but I think Doomed9 was referring to the iRiver h1x0 port. 00.42.38 # yea 00.43.47 # In which case, it all depends on how well someone manages to optimize Rockboy and the codecs, I suppose. I really don't know how possible/impossible it is. 00.44.34 # right 00.44.42 # it's very possible 00.44.46 # but a boatload of work 00.45.00 # I mean, it'd also depend on the bitrate of your music, etc. 00.45.02 # Don't forget the audio buffer - Rockboy steals it AFAIK. 00.45.11 # So, rockboy is not very effecient? 00.45.17 # hell no 00.45.26 # rockboy and efficient probably shouldn't even be in the same sentence. 00.45.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: wanna test some sweet sweet backlight fading? it'll b0rk your settings 00.45.56 # preglow: I am *always* up for b0rked settings 00.46.03 # * JdGordon 2 00.46.33 # is there a clock in rockbox? 00.46.36 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.ipod 00.46.41 # Doomed9: depends on your player 00.46.44 # Doomed9: h1x0 has no clock 00.46.47 # damn 00.46.53 # h3x0 and ipods do 00.46.56 # plus some archoses 00.47.08 # booo!. do a h300 version 00.47.20 # of clock?? 00.47.31 # of backlight fading 00.47.39 # amiconn tells me it's not possible 00.47.44 # backlight is controlled indirectly 00.47.49 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders why he just found a rockbox.iriver on his ipod 00.47.54 # lol 00.47.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: i think it's coming out of the closet 00.48.06 # preglow: i guess you already have a nano to test on 00.48.06 # rename it to .ipod and see what happens :p 00.48.16 # Mikachu: yeah 00.48.22 # preglow: Oooh... nice. It fades nice and smooth and everything. 00.48.28 # what i put up is a nano binary so... 00.48.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: gr8 00.48.55 # not h120 smooth, but it works as long as you don't use 10s or anything 00.48.59 # has anyone thought of allowing escape characters in filenames, so you could keep the free-form structure that files give you, but use all available characeters (like \ and / and ? and .) in names? 00.48.59 # try that, and you'll see it flicker 00.49.00 # s 00.49.26 # 10sec isn't completely smooth on h1x0 either 00.49.27 # nudel: fat doesn't allow ? 00.49.37 # amiconn: not completely, but this is a tad bit worse 00.49.46 # but you could have like [xx] where xx is the hex code and it woudl turn it into ? 00.49.49 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 00.49.59 # * amiconn says goodnight 00.50.02 # preglow: Hey, while you're doing backlight stuff, any idea why "Off" has the same result as "On?" 00.50.05 # nn amiconn 00.50.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: wha? 00.50.14 # hm...would it be easy to make a clock plugin? 00.50.21 # nudel: you mean the filename would be the actual string [2f] and rb would interpret it as /? 00.50.23 # preglow: Setting backlight to "Off" leaves it permanently on. 00.50.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: does it now 00.50.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: did it always do that? 00.50.34 # yeah Mikachu 00.50.38 # Doomed9: why not use the clock plugin? 00.50.43 # nudel: ah, that might be possible... 00.50.46 # lol im new 00.50.50 # preglow: I looked at it a little bit, found myself confused. I managed to make it so "Off" turns it permanently on, and "On" permanently off, but couldn't reverse it. 00.50.59 # preglow: AFAIK, it's always done it on iPod 00.51.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: right, then i'll see if i can discover why 00.51.23 # but not now 00.51.57 # Fair enough 00.52.01 # I set mine at 2 seconds anyway 00.52.03 # ;-) 00.52.48 # preglow: Just one more thought: If 10 sec isn't smooth, then probably something else fiddles with th eport during the fade 00.53.17 # preglow: can i have a diff? 00.53.24 # Mikachu: the diff is really, really ugly 00.53.24 # We had that way back on H1x0, where the fade started flickering like mad when something was drawn on the remot elcd 00.53.30 # amiconn: and contains other stuff 00.53.39 # amiconn: it's irregular in a really consistent way 00.54.03 # okay, i'll just wait then, i've fiddled with too many things for a binary to work with my plugins probably :) 00.54.05 # That lead me to implement the atomic port bit manipulation 00.54.07 # amiconn: and why should the other port pins interfere with the backlight one? 00.54.29 # preglow: Perhaps some place doesn't use the masked write address? 00.54.47 # amiconn: perhaps, but in this case i think everything is right 00.54.53 # You said this special '8' in the port address doesn't matter - perhaps it does? 00.55.06 # amiconn: have christi try it out on hers at devcon and have a look for yourself :) 00.55.15 # amiconn: i've kept it 00.55.36 # Yes, *you* have. Is there other code that accesses the same port? 00.55.46 # ahh, yeah 00.55.50 # but i don't think there are any writes 00.56.22 # :( 00.56.27 # i'll see, the backlight handling needs a lot of fixing before i'll commit it anyway 00.57.08 # amiconn: and besides, it's only noticable in the very darkest levels 00.57.24 # amiconn: looks more like pwm steps than port garbage to me 00.57.32 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.59.24 Quit moozooh (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.02.33 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 01.02.36 Join moozooh [0] (n=moozooh@87.240.1.66) 01.02.45 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-42-176.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.06.09 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.06.30 # hm...theres no wma support in H120? 01.07.03 # theres no wma support at all 01.07.08 # :( 01.07.33 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp90-adsl-2.ath.forthnet.gr) 01.07.44 # bins 01.07.48 # oops? 01.07.52 # there's been some work done on it 01.07.59 # but it's not anything approaching complete 01.08.51 # kk 01.08.56 # wtf??? ive got this line in a lyrics file for the track im listening to... "-- Solo duet --" WTF?? 01.09.40 # hm...i guess its hard to take a wma codec and convert it to w/e rockbox uses 01.10.08 # Doomed9: well, there is an opensource one in ffmpeg, but the problem is that it's a floating point implementation 01.10.33 # and since the embedded players tend to not have FPU's, anything using floating point math will be far far too slow 01.10.46 # kk 01.11.00 # do any of the targets have a fpu? 01.11.07 # if that happend, i wouldnt boot into the iriver firmware 01.11.09 # like i say, there's been some work on it, on and off, but it's going to require rewriting it to use fixed-point math, which is a fairly extreme undertaking 01.11.32 # it will probably get done eventually 01.11.38 # bah, tab alert 01.12.07 # preglow: did you or linuxstb ever get much done with the partial work that you picked up? 01.12.11 # i like all of these games 01.12.36 # ashridah: someone on the forums have started a newer effort 01.12.45 # * ashridah tends to just transcode wma to flac in the few rare instances that he runs into it 01.12.52 # ashridah: I spent an hour or so trying to understand the ASF format, but couldn't. 01.12.54 # preglow: ah, interesting. i haven't been reading those in a while 01.13.05 # ashridah wht do u use mp3? 01.13.06 Join bepe86 [0] (n=52c2c0c3@labb.contactor.se) 01.13.18 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3005.0 01.13.46 # linuxstb: you think i should commit cpu boost support for 5g ipods? 01.13.56 # Doomed9: ogg mostly, some mp3, since there's no value in transcoding it, and i haven't got originals for some of them (got robbed 5 or so years back) 01.14.25 # preglow: I don't like to see the 4g fall behind, but yes, I think it's worth committing it. 01.14.37 # ogg the same size as wma ?? 01.14.55 # i have no idea, they're both lossy codecs 01.15.00 # linuxstb: k, i'll be glad to have it off my tree 01.15.14 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.15.16 # yuea 01.15.22 # but i almost never use wma, so i have no idea what its quality/rate scale is 01.15.29 # it's crap 01.15.42 # and it's smelly 01.16.01 # preglow: you see, that's what i kinda assumed, plus it'd be a crime against nature if i started ripping to wma on a linux system :_) 01.16.02 # :) even 01.16.09 # My only wma file is actually quite listenable - it's a 48KHz 128kbps webcast. 01.16.29 # But every other wma file I've heard just gives me a headache... 01.16.41 # my only wma is a 64kbps file 01.16.43 # hmm.. 01.16.46 # and by god, it shows 01.16.54 # ogg or mp3? 01.18.09 # ogg's got a few minor advantages over mp3. firstly, it's got variable frame sizes, so you don't need a dodgy hack to get gapless playback (although said hacks often work pretty well for mp3, and LAME can insert extra info that helps too) 01.18.10 # it' 01.18.19 # s slightly better in the quality/bitrate department 01.18.33 # but not so much so that it's worth reencoding all your mp3s 01.18.38 # anyway to convert my wma to ogg....without losing anything 01.18.42 # (and of course, transcoding would be twice the loss) 01.18.46 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.50 # Doomed9: You can't... 01.18.58 # Doomed9: would be impossible, they're both lossy, use the original, lossless, source 01.19.06 # or wait for a working codec 01.19.13 # yeah 01.19.24 # i dont have a source for most of mine 01.19.35 # * Mikachu fiddles with absolute wheel for pacbox 01.19.44 # is wma-pro a different codec or just a different encoder? 01.20.59 Join TiMiD [0] (n=TiMiD[FD@asgard.valombre.net) 01.21.08 # 'morning 01.21.42 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.21.52 # o well 01.21.53 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 01.22.05 # preglow, linuxstb: I'm trying to figure out the port pin assignments from the disassembled drivers. Found out how the background controller, the touch pad and the LCD CS are connected. 01.23.03 # The touch pad is read as a 13 bit value, with each bit representing one of the 13 touch sensors. 01.24.07 # pretty lowres compared to the clickwheel 01.25.00 # how does the clickwheel work? 01.25.08 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.25.22 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-155-77.dsl.pipex.com) 01.25.28 # you just get a number from 0 to 95 01.25.33 Join sersport [0] (n=sergavr1@ts18-a120.Moscow.dial.rol.ru) 01.25.36 # describes position 01.25.55 # linuxstb: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-pacbox_absolute_wheel.patch 01.26.02 # hi 01.26.13 # linuxstb: it's really playable with that i think 01.26.20 # I live in Russia 01.26.27 # ok 01.26.41 # i hear lots of people do 01.26.50 # where are you from? 01.26.54 # USA 01.26.55 # ok. Well, at least we can have UP and LEFT at the same time (nice for rockboy) 01.27.07 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 01.27.07 # we're from lots of places 01.27.11 # city? 01.27.21 # Enschede 01.27.23 # :) 01.27.46 # Roda 01.28.03 # there's a small town in sweden called enskede :) 01.28.29 # ok 01.28.48 # I love ''The Europe'' 01.29.00 # hey, I'm just wondering if it's possible to build the h1xx manual using cygwin, I'm having a few problems with it... :S 01.29.28 # sersport: 'the' doesn't exist in russian, right? 01.30.13 # yes 01.30.29 # bepe86: the manual will be available for download on the rockbox website soon. 01.30.37 # "---! /var/lib/texmf/web2c/pdflatex.fmt was written by pdfetex (Fatal format file error; I'm stymied)" 01.30.47 # okey, thanks 01.31.23 # I got it to build at first, but got like 100 warnings about missing fonts, and the pdf file itself was blank except for images 01.32.09 # life in Sweden is good 01.32.14 # i bet 01.32.25 # in Norway too ;) 01.32.28 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa71.14.tellas.gr) 01.32.36 # yes, i'm not exactly suffering 01.32.48 # too bad you get booze and snus cheaper than us :S 01.32.59 # woo, another norwegian 01.33.08 # snus sucks anyway 01.33.16 # :> 01.33.23 # heh 01.33.47 # I try to learn Norwegian language 01.34.02 # ah, cool, good luck :) 01.34.31 # linuxstb: i finished 2 levels with the 5 pacmen setting, that's a first 01.34.53 # mange takk 01.35.05 # bare hyggelig 01.35.32 # or as we write in nynorsk, berre hyggeleg ;) 01.35.58 # sersport: varför inte svenska? :) 01.36.15 # Mikachu: wha, you're swedish??? 01.36.21 # tada 01.36.27 # i thought you were american for some reason 01.36.29 # god knows 01.36.36 # maybe i was being too annoying 01.36.40 # hahaha 01.36.48 # or maybe i was acting the fool 01.37.06 # man, it's this late already :S better go to bed then, see you guys later 01.37.10 # i have been known to do that 01.37.13 # bepe86: see ya 01.37.17 # preglow: for the first couple of days i read your nick as preg-low 01.37.20 Quit bepe86 ("Zzz") 01.37.26 # Mikachu: some people do that 01.37.35 # and you can continue to do so for all i care :> 01.37.41 # i used to be just 'glow' one day aeons ago 01.37.46 # ah 01.37.47 # then i suddenly got this urge to prepend something 01.38.30 # heh 01.38.40 # Do you visited Moscow? 01.38.48 # now that you all have top secret host masks it's harder to see your nationality 01.39.16 # but i know you're norwegian and linus is swedish 01.39.21 # Mikachu: it helps on my sexy undercover agent image 01.39.30 # ah, of course 01.40.06 # I'm russian 01.40.28 # and the first russian you are as well 01.40.30 # sersport: i figured when you said you live in russia :) 01.40.47 # a ton of swedes, couple of norwegians, one finn and now a russian! 01.41.34 # I love hockey, and you? 01.42.01 # i don't like most sports 01.42.35 # preglow: about absolute wheel, someone mentioned an interface to toggle the events mode and the absolute mode.. is there anything more? 01.42.52 # Mikachu: i don't follow 01.43.00 # ahh, right 01.43.06 # no, i've heard nothing more of it 01.43.07 # heh, maybe i talked to linuxstb about it then 01.43.09 # but i think we need it 01.43.14 # you have the same color 01.43.18 # hahaha 01.43.24 # perhaps... 01.43.55 # i've added that it returns -1 when you're not touching the wheel, i haven't put that in the patch tracker yet 01.44.10 # i'm not exactly sure why it works 01.44.29 # since it's only set in the interrupt handler, and that is only called when you touch the wheel.. 01.44.36 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 01.44.37 # it works even if you don't press another button 01.45.01 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.46.12 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 01.46.39 # man, wav playback sounds like a bag of shit on ipod 01.47.00 # why should it? it's the least compressed 01.49.39 # hm...what other open source wma codecs are there 01.49.40 Join imphaing_ [0] (n=a766a239@yossman.net) 01.50.26 # Doomed9: None. We're lucky to have one - Microsoft aren't exactly open with their audio format specifications. 01.50.46 # does ours not work well? 01.51.00 # it seems we don't have one 01.51.15 # (in rockbox) 01.51.15 # If by "ours" you mean "rockbox" - then Mikachu is right, we don't have one. 01.51.37 # linuxstb: has wav playback used to work on ipods? 01.51.43 # linuxstb: did you see my patch? it is maybe not so useful yet 01.51.52 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-pacbox_absolute_wheel.patch 01.52.03 # preglow: Yes, it worked fine - I used a wav file when I was implementing audio playback. 01.52.09 # i find it's a lot easier to play when you don't actually have to press any buttons 01.52.32 # then i've probably messed up wav.c, then... 01.52.57 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 01.53.09 # M$ should be more open, i mean considering most of their stuff is stolen 01.53.21 Part sersport 01.53.22 Quit imphaing_ (Client Quit) 01.53.23 # such as their wav header things 01.53.40 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.53.50 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.55.44 # Mikachu: I think that could be useful. It would be nice if you could update your wheel_status() patch. 01.55.58 # i just have the -1 thing, but i'll update it 01.56.28 # linuxstb: can you think of anything that uses endian swapping on ipod? 01.56.32 # aiff doesn't 01.56.46 # think i'll just do a printf test... 01.56.48 # Mikachu: Could it be combined with button_status()? 01.56.56 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.57.02 # linuxstb: i tried that but it won't work 01.57.19 # like putting the values 0-0x5f in the top byte in the return value 01.57.28 # but all code in rockbox checks ==, not & for the button value 01.57.49 # Even when using button_status() ? 01.58.02 # i think 01.58.35 # i don't know the code 100% yet so i can't promise anything 01.58.36 # I've just grepped, and in apps/, button_status is only called once, and it is checked using & 01.58.55 # ah 01.59.02 # then maybe yes 01.59.19 # but i think the way i set the wheel value in the int handler is a bit ugly maybe 01.59.34 # but i'll leave that for later 02.00.01 # It's also used in four plugins - brickmania, rockboy, pacbox and wav2wv 02.00.06 Quit webguest91 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.00.15 # pacbox uses & too 02.00.27 # i think brickmania uses case though 02.00.28 # Yes, and I would guess the others do. 02.00.51 # That's easily fixed though. 02.00.53 # or maybe not! 02.01.01 # yeah it uses & 02.01.42 # But I'm not sure if it's the cleanest solution. Maybe a separate wheel_status() is better... 02.01.54 # flyspray really needs a button to search for a 'opened by' 02.02.10 # should be pretty easy to change later if you want 02.02.46 # maybe someone could apply this in the meantime, http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4789 02.02.54 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 02.03.13 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 02.05.27 # Mikachu: I think the idea behind highscore.cfg is that all hi-scores for all games can be stored there. Brickmania was probably the first game to use it. 02.05.56 # hm, okay 02.06.13 # it only has these contents 02.06.16 # file version: 0 02.06.16 # highscore: 3502 02.06.19 # But maybe I am wrong... 02.06.56 # I thought I remembered there being a "hi-score" library, but Brickmania is just using the standard configfile library. 02.07.29 # i'm not sure i like all those state files being in rocks/ either 02.08.02 # No, I was wondering about that as well. 02.08.21 # % ls *~*.rock 02.08.21 # bejeweled.save brickmania.score pacbox.cfg sokoban.levels 02.08.21 # bejeweled.score oscilloscope.cfg snake2.levels 02.08.29 # The configfile library puts them there. 02.08.45 # int new_wheel_value = ((status << 9) >> 25) & 0xff; 02.09.01 # is that different from status >> 16 ? 02.09.05 # yes 02.09.10 # the top bits are shifted away first 02.09.26 # aren't they masked away by &0xff anyway? 02.09.32 # yes, yes they are 02.09.32 # and that's doing sign extension 02.09.41 # herz42: no sign in that one 02.09.49 # Mikachu: god knows, it's ripped straight from ipl 02.09.52 # * linuxstb has a feeling of deja-vu 02.09.54 # okay 02.10.03 # wasn't the value +- 48 or so? 02.10.08 # mno 02.10.09 # i'm not going to touch it but it looked confusing 02.10.11 # it's 0..95 02.10.11 # herz42: 0-95 02.10.40 # Mikachu: i'm not going to beat you up if you discover redundancies 02.11.17 # but you make it +-48 with that operation... 02.11.50 # See here: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060303.txt (starting at 02.48.33) for the same discussion... 02.12.04 # herz42: it is 0..95 after that operation 02.12.57 # ah 02.13.06 # i wasn't here then i guess 02.13.12 # My suggestion was to simply to change it to (status & 0x007f0000) >> 16 02.14.41 # okay, patch trimming time 02.15.01 # how can i automatically load a cfg 02.16.22 # any thoughts on the partial plugin buffer clearing? http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/3022 02.16.49 # i can only say it works on nano.. but it's worked fine for weeks 02.16.57 # and it should only improve things 02.17.12 # Sorry to leave you when you're advertising your patches, but I need to sleep... Goodnight. 02.17.20 # hehe, no problem 02.17.22 # good night 02.18.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 02.19.48 # linuxstb: that'd be faster to boot 02.19.58 # shave off one instruction 02.22.40 # blargh 02.22.53 # you can't call a function set_cpu_frequency if the freq isn't adjustable 02.22.56 # why the hell not 02.23.57 # so be it 02.24.00 # i'll just add a hack for now, then 02.24.22 # linuxstb: care to test a 4g build for me before i commit this stuff? 02.25.59 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 02.27.54 # just to point that out again: if you shift 0x5f to the msb and then right again, it will be sign extended. So the value after masking with 0xff will be 0xdf instead of 0x5f. 02.28.07 Join Zoide7777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 02.28.23 # Every original value abobe 0x3f will get an offset of 0x80 though... 02.28.30 # ill give somebody a cookie 02.28.32 # s/aboba/above/ 02.28.37 # or so... 02.28.42 # preglow: I can test a 4g build (grayscale though) if you still need it 02.28.57 # i guess grayscale should do the trick 02.29.03 # what is the test for? 02.29.44 # just to check that it works 02.30.23 # ok 02.30.36 # gotta make it compile first 02.31.47 # is there a beta of the wma or is it still in like pre-alpha 02.31.49 # I read on the log that there's a new timer, and that it can be used to make a grayscale lib for 4g 02.31.58 # is anyone working on that or is that just a possibility? 02.32.06 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 02.32.35 # btw... 02.32.42 # Zoide7777: you'd have to ask amiconn 02.32.47 # the timer should be alright now 02.32.49 # at least it works for me 02.32.50 # Slasheri: you there? if so, how's tagdatabase going? 02.33.14 # * Zoide7777 is so impatient, always hassling the devs :P 02.38.49 # arghgh 02.38.50 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa71.14.tellas.gr) 02.38.57 # i don't get this either 02.39.17 # cookie? 02.40.11 # wow, i finished level 1 in pacman with only one life now 02.40.28 # in addition to that i implemented a wheel_send_events(bool) 02.41.17 # Mikachu: Does this get us closer to the goal of a wheel that sends wheel events as opposed to sending button events like crazy? 02.41.41 # indeed it does 02.42.05 # it doesn't send anything, but if you ask it, it'll tell you where the finger is 02.42.24 # okay, just confirmed they stopped sending, the menu in pacbox doesn't work :) 02.43.25 # where is that pacman rom...can i ask that? 02.43.54 # i can only say google 02.44.10 # any hints on what to type...is it like a mame rom 02.44.26 # it should be six files 02.44.49 # Zoide7777: www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox.zip 02.44.52 # pacman. 6e 6f 6h 6j 5e 5f 02.44.54 # Zoide7777: just tell me if it works at all 02.44.58 # Zoide7777: should play music, etc 02.45.00 # those names are listed in the source for pacbox 02.46.36 # pm? 02.47.04 # you should be able to find them 02.48.19 Quit Shadowarrior13 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 02.48.37 # ha... 02.49.00 # preglow: sorry, was away. give me a minute... 02.49.16 # where should the roms be placed? 02.49.48 # .rockbox/pacman/ 02.50.26 # l33t 02.52.47 # okay, added patch with the wheel_send_events(bool) function, http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4721 02.53.21 # preglow: seems just fine 02.53.48 # preglow: except for mp3 playback on vu_meter, which eventually cuts (empty buffer)? 02.53.53 # preglow: but i think this has always happened 02.53.55 # using that isn't included in that pacbox patch, but it shouldn't matter very much 02.54.01 # Zoide7777: that shouldn't ahve changed, no 02.54.07 # preglow: feel free to try it, should make the game a bit easier to play 02.54.53 # hm 02.54.56 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 02.55.36 # just need to find roms... 02.56.03 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 02.56.29 # Why is the default "Max Files in Dir Browser" so low??? It's always set to 400, so I get "Dir Buffer Is Full!" unless I raise it 02.56.37 # me 2 02.56.48 # probably the first targets had that little memory 02.56.53 # Mikachu u said it was easy ...its not 02.57.30 # i guess pasting an url isn't illegal, if i can find it again 02.57.33 # Mikachu: Could there be some #ifdef that would set a higher level for more modern players? 02.57.39 # Zoide7777: probably 02.58.37 # http://www.tombstones.org.uk/~ankman/ 02.58.45 # on the second page of hits for 'pacman roms' here 02.59.16 # thanks 03.00.39 # none of the recent games (doom, rockboy, packbox) work on 4g grayscale, right? is this because of grayscale lib? 03.05.43 # my head does not like me... 03.06.14 # why? 03.06.28 # headache that has gotten worse after taking medication 03.06.31 # eyes hurt 03.06.39 # what r u taking? 03.06.47 # excedrin 03.07.03 # hmmm can't help you there 03.07.06 # :) 03.07.29 # oh well... 03.07.50 # this is the weirdest channel... 93 people in it but quite dead 03.08.26 # I suppose we're mostly non-devs who can't wait to hear about new stuff haha 03.08.32 # aRGJHGJ 03.08.40 # it's night in most of the devcountries 03.08.45 # i don't know why i'm up 03.08.48 # why the FLAMING hell do those tabs fucking sneak in all the time 03.09.16 # well, flaming hell. lets look at that... according to the bible, the deepest layer is fucking ice. 03.09.24 # preglow: why is it that tabs are a problem? Isn't it far more convenient to press tab once than to press space a bunch of times? 03.09.40 # hes tabphobic 03.09.40 # sharpe: according to the bible, or according to dante? 03.09.51 # i really don't know, haven't read much of either. 03.09.58 # Zoide7777: it's a rockbox policy, i think tabs are clearly the best when used properly, but rules are rules 03.10.00 # maybe it's both even, i don't know either 03.10.06 # okays 03.10.10 # preglow: i c 03.10.57 # Zoide7777: you don't ever press tab or space when indenting a line... your editor does that automatically 03.11.12 # notepad doesn't ;) 03.11.23 # hehe that's true 03.11.28 # coding in notepad is a fate worse than most 03.12.09 # preglow: does that latest commit include your new fading backlight ? 03.12.56 # no 03.13.00 # that's not done yet 03.15.02 # preglow he gave us the link 03.15.11 # know, i'm playing 03.15.20 # question: how come ipodlinux came out so long ago and yet it's so behind rockbox in the audio department? i mean, ipodlinux is pretty amazing (you can even run doom & videos in sync with sound on a 4g grayscale), but the *music* functionality sucks 03.15.20 # oh 03.16.15 # lack of audio devs? 03.16.21 # Zoide7777: because it's not a priority for them for some reason 03.16.33 # hooray, i succeeded: http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-pacbox_xens_revenge.patch 03.16.33 # Zoide7777: they've got kickass visuals though 03.16.42 # (that includes the absolute wheel stuff too, sorry :) 03.16.58 # http://www.xensei.com/users/jeffm/www/pacman/xens-revenge/ 03.17.05 # nicceee 03.17.26 # at least some variation 03.17.33 # oops, forgot to fix the bug 03.17.53 Join Spida_ [0] (i=Spida@p508A35F3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 03.18.01 # preglow: if only the two could somehow be merged.... (beyond dual-booting) 03.18.13 # not possible, i'm afraid 03.18.20 # the approaches are very different 03.18.28 # we can share code, but that's all 03.19.06 # okay, patch updated with an lcd_clear_display to clear the romset selection menu 03.19.09 # preglow: hmm... what if you were to share *more* code? :) though i bet it's not that simple or it would've been done already 03.19.32 # indeed 03.19.39 # red and yeeeelloooow 03.19.57 # so far, they haven't taken much of our code, but we have done some joint development 03.20.04 # but they have expressed an interest in our codecs 03.20.32 # i think running mpd in the background is a bit overkill 03.20.36 # it would be nice if they could play wavpack 03.20.42 # i think the entire linux approach is overkill 03.20.49 # yeah, probably 03.21.04 # though they *do* have kickass visual stuff, as you said 03.21.05 # on such a limited platform, you can't waste resources 03.21.35 # gah, red build 03.21.41 # and i wanted to go to bed 03.22.36 # what will you use the second timer for? 03.22.42 # preglow: but we're paying you all this money and yet you complain!! haha 03.22.56 # that's just the way i am 03.23.59 # i don't get paid... 03.24.09 # of course, i don't do much, but i still don't get paid for it. :( 03.24.20 # sharpe: I don't think anyone is! I meant it as a joke :P 03.24.24 # i don't exactly get paid either, heh 03.24.27 # :) 03.24.34 # at least not for this 03.24.49 # heheh 03.25.01 # my mouth is burning. 03.25.40 # I bet countless executives would kill for the programming skill & dedication of some of the devs here, and they just can't believe that they do it for no money 03.25.49 # yeah... 03.25.53 # well, I guess the same goes for most open source projects 03.26.08 # open source is about doing something for yourself, not caring what others think 03.26.12 # no wait.. 03.26.36 # though this one seems different somehow... all these people with amazing reverse engineering and low-level programming skills 03.26.53 # (low-level as in asm, not as in shitty programmers, heheh) 03.27.21 # hmm 03.27.27 # linuxstb: sproing 03.27.27 # shit 03.27.40 # i'm like, a mediocre programmer, but i can do most things i suppose. 03.27.49 Quit Spida (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.27.55 # i'm just going to have to enable cache and set_cpu_freq in the bootloader 03.28.02 # since i need to sleep 03.28.09 # Mikachu: well, in a way it's true if you think of it! just as there is the "community" thing of oss, there's the "fix it yourself or no one else will" idea 03.28.16 # preglow: i won't think less of you for it, if that helps 03.29.17 # preglow: What's the swap32? What will be affected by the optimization? 03.31.01 # Zoide7777: very little 03.31.18 # but i just had to do it! 03.31.29 # hehe, that's the spirit 03.31.31 # i think i'm going to head to sleep... 03.31.40 # ok, good night! 03.31.42 # preglow: do you test if your asm code is faster than gcc or is it a safe assumption? 03.31.45 # and thanks for the contributions 03.31.57 # lol... welcome... 03.32.04 # 'night everyone 03.33.10 Quit herz42 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 03.34.09 # Mikachu: i'm pretty sure gcc can't come up with anything close to how clever that is 03.34.14 # okay 03.34.23 # Mikachu: i got that code snippet from an authorised arm book! 03.34.29 # i only know mips assembler, where know is a gross exaggeration 03.34.39 # ooh, impressive 03.34.56 # sure as hell is 03.35.04 # damn, it's easy to think when trying to yawn your head off 03.35.54 Join webguest96 [0] (n=449e236c@labb.contactor.se) 03.36.45 # Holy fucking wiki spammers you guys 03.36.53 # wooooow 03.36.56 # more than 300 reds? 03.36.58 # do you need to be registered to edit the wiki? 03.37.01 # what the flaming hell........ 03.37.13 # there are like at least 15 wiki spammers 03.37.15 # now, _THAT'S_ a highscore 03.37.27 # hehehe 03.37.32 # congratulations!! 03.37.38 # you are the all-time champion :) 03.37.47 # but what the flaming hell is wrong 03.37.59 # trying to use assembler in sim? 03.38.28 # ok 03.38.59 # don't code when sleepy, boys 03.39.14 # it's easy to think when you're tired sure, but the results aren't 100% correct 03.39.56 # ahahaha 03.40.01 # i pasted the bloody thing in the generic case 03.40.05 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-155-77.dsl.pipex.com) 03.40.05 # someone fucking shoot me 03.40.19 # * Mikachu hires a hitman 03.40.35 # preglow: what's this ASM optimization you were mentioning? 03.41.00 # * webguest96 shoots preglow 03.41.43 # josh_: endian swap routine in asm 03.41.48 # josh_: nothing major 03.41.57 # could I see it? (just curious) 03.42.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/firmware/export/system.h.diff?r1=1.53&r2=1.54 03.42.36 # thanks 03.42.56 # heh, that's pretty damn good 03.43.02 # 4 cycles, nice. 03.43.09 # how long does it take to change themes for you guys? (from the Browse Themes menu) 03.43.14 # it takes forever on my 4g gray 03.43.28 # a couple of seconds, and playback stops 03.43.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebChanges 03.43.41 # josh_: not mine, unfortunately, stole it from an arm book 03.44.35 # What is the difference between "Playback->Repeat->Shuffle" and "Playback->Shuffle->Yes"? 03.45.29 # that's gotta be a new record for biggest number of commit posts achieving the least 03.45.59 # Zoide7777: that confused me for a while too, the first one will reshuffle the playlist when it reaches the end 03.46.01 # preglow: heh, there's a thing in an inner loop of the LCD update routine for Photo that has to do a half endian-swap (swap the bytes in each hword in a word, aka AABBCCDD -> BBAADDCC) - best I could get was 5 cycles 03.46.20 # Mikachu: cool, thanks 03.46.26 # i'm fairly certain it's possible to do better 03.46.29 # I might be able to improve upon that with your code, if I understood how it worked ;-) 03.46.33 # haha 03.46.41 Quit Kohlriba ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 03.50.03 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa71.14.tellas.gr) 03.51.36 # gotta go 03.51.36 # bye 03.51.38 Quit Zoide7777 ("CGI:IRC") 03.51.56 # hm...should i buy a H320 03.51.57 # another red build now, and i'll kill myself in shame 03.53.45 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.53.57 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 03.55.31 # ? 03.57.11 # josh_: Half endian? 03.57.12 # :( 03.57.17 # Why would anyone use that? 03.57.27 # imphasing: half (endian swap) 03.57.30 # not (half endian) swap 03.58.15 Quit webguest96 ("CGI:IRC") 03.58.24 # ah. 03.58.25 # hehe 03.59.08 # YES 03.59.12 # sleep will be mine 03.59.15 # I known there were "mixed endian" computers in the past.. 03.59.18 # preglow: Go for it 03.59.19 # :) 03.59.24 # imphasing: yep, ARC is one of them 03.59.30 # the byte order for instructions is 2301 03.59.35 # :( 03.59.45 # ..why? 03.59.49 # there are good reasons for it, but it's still wacku 03.59.51 # *wacky 04.00.11 # i wish they just stopped with the endian business 04.00.15 # I heard they are trying to make ARC processors have an instruction syntax.. 04.00.19 # big endian is king, deal with it 04.00.28 # Ipods are little endian 04.00.29 # :P 04.00.34 # yes, unfortunately 04.00.40 # why? the ARC architecture has mixed 32-bit and 16-bit instrs, so there can be a 32-bit instr straddling a 32-bit boundary, so the proc needs to be able to determine the instr type just by seeing the first two bytes of it 04.01.06 # gniht 04.01.09 # gnight <- 04.01.12 # Just have a one bit flag on the front of all instructions? 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05.37.52 # you can add the iPod_Control dir to your playlist 05.44.09 # <[z]ollo> yeah, but then its in random order 05.45.15 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.") 05.50.03 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.53.12 Quit rollo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.56.35 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-155-77.dsl.pipex.com) 06.06.54 # Wow, preglow scored 24000 last night... 06.10.34 # <[z]ollo> Is there *any* way to access my iTunesDB in RockBox, even if I have to convert it into an M3U? 06.16.53 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 06.16.54 Quit ScoTTie (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.17.48 Quit Rick (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.11 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 06.20.58 Quit imphasing_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.23.32 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.24.27 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.25.34 Join Spida_ [0] (i=Spida@p508A009F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 06.28.04 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Remote closed the connection) 06.29.55 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3561896.sympatico.ca) 06.30.40 Quit Spida (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.41.41 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.42.35 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 06.44.57 Join hadfhasfhas [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3561245.sympatico.ca) 06.45.03 Quit Sinbios (Nick collision from services.) 06.45.13 Nick hadfhasfhas is now known as Sinbios (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3561245.sympatico.ca) 06.49.33 Part amiconn 06.50.58 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-80-233.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 06.54.03 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=stephen@adsl-67-64-146-188.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 06.59.51 # wtf.. humungo wiki series-of-spam? 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I'd still like to recommend discussing a configuration overhaul in the group sessions... 08.00.26 # yes :( 08.01.00 # B4gder: with all new units utilizing LCD's, widgets and stuff should be used where possible. 08.01.12 # Sliders, checkboxes and such 08.01.22 # we have a fair amount of suggested topics 08.01.31 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=5482c0ef@labb.contactor.se) 08.01.34 # It _will_ be discussed though? 08.01.43 # I don't think we should expect too much to actually get resolved 08.01.53 # Nah, but discussion is always a start 08.02.02 # indeed 08.02.06 Join ulli-art [0] (n=5482c0ef@labb.contactor.se) 08.02.20 # Perhaps someone could record the discussions and later publish it. 08.02.21 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 08.02.26 # I'd still like to hear what people have to say 08.02.49 # yes, very good idea ... 08.04.16 # man they added _many_ users 08.04.35 # wiki spam again? 08.04.43 # major 08.04.46 # :/ 08.05.03 # add some kind of image-text verification when registering 08.06.20 Part ulli-art 08.07.43 Join ulli-art [0] (n=5482c0ef@labb.contactor.se) 08.09.32 Quit ulli-art (Client Quit) 08.14.03 Quit ScoTTie_ (Connection timed out) 08.14.36 Join ScoTTie_ [0] (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 08.16.03 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD4FCC.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.16.13 Quit ScoTTie (Connection timed out) 08.16.35 # mmoning 08.16.39 # *morning 08.16.45 # thing is, making it harder to register is not a very effective prevention either 08.17.09 # Perhaps verify via email 08.17.12 # ? 08.17.45 # it would just make them alter the scheme and register one legit user and the edit 100 existing pages 08.18.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 08.18.20 # The wiikness of wiki 08.18.41 # but sure, it would prevent automated bots from doing it _completely_ without manual fiddling 08.18.50 # B4gder, you really think they'd do that? it seems 100% automated, i.e. if they can't sign up with a bot then they won't bother.. 08.19.00 # It has to be fully automated. 08.19.03 # I'm quite sure lots of it is not automated 08.19.29 # at least the add-hidden-stuff-on-existing-pages versions 08.19.44 # they also don't seem to edit pages, just create new profiles with ads/spam inside them. i think. 08.19.49 # i highly doubt that there are people that go around manually creating users for things like that when they can run bots to get so many other wide-open wikis.. 08.19.52 # some do, some don't 08.19.55 # we have all kinds 08.20.42 # this last "attack" made all the user-pages with an existing user that doesn't look "spam" 08.20.58 # B4gder, if you say so... considering the probably tens of thousands of twikis out there, i can't see why someone would come by to target ours.. 08.29.40 Join darkless_ [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 08.29.52 # I think they focus on wikis they think rank fine in search engines 08.35.46 Quit midkay (Read error: 131 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.35.49 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 08.35.52 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 08.36.45 # cool morning today... -8C 08.37.42 # "cool"? :) 08.37.55 # maybe a bit stronger of a word would fit better :) 08.37.58 # freezing is perhaps a better word 08.38.01 # like, omfg-freezing :) 08.38.38 # man... 08.38.41 # cool morning... 08.38.59 # I still have no drivers license... so I'll have to cycle to work in 20 minutes... 08.39.08 # don't really like these temps :) 08.42.36 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.45.57 Join tenzing_ [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 08.45.57 Quit tenzing (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.45.58 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.46.40 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 08.46.58 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.49.36 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-130.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.51.45 # linusn, I've put a new version of rockdoom up on the tracker, it compiles much cleaner now 08.51.59 # k00l 08.52.22 # i'll have a look at it 08.53.20 # great, let me know if you see anything blatant that needs fixing 08.53.38 # kkurbjun, can your latest version of doom play other wads? i have a bunch of other stuff.. half life, quake 2, etc.. 08.53.44 # kkurbjun: sure 08.54.22 # doom doesn't need any special talent to use different wads 08.54.33 # if it can use doom2, then it should work 08.54.41 # midkay: yes it can, but those wads you listed will not work if they're the gp32 versions, most if not all of the gp32 wads mess with the background sizes 08.55.04 # this version has all of boom/prbooms mod features though 08.55.10 # kkurbjun, i think some are. argh.. 08.55.12 # those work on iDoom... 08.55.14 # so there's alot more mods that will play 08.55.34 # BHS: I know, it's because they disabled the error checking 08.55.35 # kkurbjun, if there's another half-life prboom/whatever mod.... i'll be happy. :) 08.55.57 # if you look on the patch tracker I have a link to the top 100 wads of all time 08.56.02 # they should play fine 08.58.48 # kkurbjun, the recent versions sound cool. i'll see if it fits in the standard buffer for the iPod 5g.. 09.00.00 # kkurbjun, so i should get rockdoom-src-0.85.zip and.. rockdoom-0.80.diff? 09.00.11 # midkay: it doesn't work for the ipod yet 09.00.19 # kkurbjun, oh. in what way? 09.00.50 # midkay: all the new code messed up something with the ipod's alignment issues so it needs work again 09.01.14 # kkurbjun, oh, alright. 09.04.17 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.10.34 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.14.38 # * amiconn gotta leave 09.14.57 Quit amiconn () 09.14.58 # cu soon amiconn 09.24.17 # 24000 points must be some kind of record! 09.24.36 # preglow for president! ;-) 09.26.59 # haha. :) btw.. how is "score" calculated? 09.27.25 # errors*10 + warnings basically 09.29.09 # aha :) 09.35.27 Quit Paprica (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.36.42 # damn! i dropped to 2nd place... 09.38.09 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.38.18 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 09.50.14 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-104-69.bb.netvision.net.il) 09.56.59 # * [IDC]Dragon had gotta pack this notebook now 09.57.07 # <[IDC]Dragon> has 09.57.14 # <[IDC]Dragon> cu 09.57.32 # laters [IDC]Dragon 09.57.40 Part [IDC]Dragon 09.59.07 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.59.52 Join hshah [0] (n=hshah@shahassociates.plus.com) 09.59.56 Part hshah ("Leaving") 10.18.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 10.24.26 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.36.31 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.46.16 Join bobTHC [0] (n=bobTHC@l06v-62-34-151-179.d1.club-internet.fr) 10.46.34 # hi folks ! 10.50.39 # hi bob, long time.. 10.53.37 # yep.. 10.53.44 # too loong ;) 10.53.57 # too much work last year 10.54.01 # :/ 10.54.23 # hard to have spare time 10.56.12 # And the little time you had left went up in 'smoke' I guess :) 10.57.44 # hehe, to "relax" me i 'll says 10.57.48 # ;) 11.08.00 Join imphasing_ [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 11.08.24 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-77-83.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.10.08 # on the ipod, what do you think about making the menu key go to the filesys instead of select? that way you'd need to press it twice to get to the menu but i think that's okay, and it would free up shortselect for something else 11.10.33 # "to the filesys"? 11.11.20 # er yeah, i missed the critical part, this is about when in the wps 11.12.13 # what would be so useful for short select at the WPS to justify having to press menu twice to really get to the menu, and having to press PLAY to get back to the WPS after leaving the menu? 11.12.15 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-77-83.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.12.44 # that is not decided yet 11.13.03 # i can't think of anything worth that.. 11.13.19 # and anything potentially useful can always go in the long select context menu of course.. 11.13.32 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b3e.pool.mediaWays.net) 11.14.00 # well, i was thinking about something similar to what the apple os does, but i want the scroll wheel to not be volume by default 11.14.18 # i just woke up and had the thought 11.14.25 Part LinusN 11.14.44 # why not having the scroll wheel do volume? 11.15.00 # it's annoying since all the other buttons are hidden under it 11.15.26 # .. how is that annoying? that's the design. the buttons are under it always. :) 11.16.14 # for example if you have it in your pocket and want to be able to switch songs, you'll leave hold off, but then the volume will change randomly because the wheel is so sensitive 11.16.24 # and you'd change the volume when looking for the buttons with your finger 11.16.50 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 11.16.57 # i never had trouble with the volume changing on its own, unless it's up against something.. 11.17.19 # same thing here 11.17.33 # kclaf, same thing as in have had trouble or have not? 11.17.34 # i think ipod controls are quite OK atm 11.17.37 # preglow had the same complaint if that helps my case 11.17.49 # but so far it is just a thought 11.17.51 # Mikachu, well, i don't think it's majority rules exactly :) 11.18.02 # no but he's a dev :) 11.18.30 # oooh (hushed audience) :) i'd like to hear ideas, though.. 11.19.27 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 11.20.03 # hm, do i recognize your nick from somewhere? it's not in any of my irclogs but it still seems familiar 11.20.25 # Mikachu, mine? i have no idea.. :) 11.20.53 # okay, i'll let you know if i figure it out :) 11.22.48 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.22.57 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 11.24.22 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.25.50 Quit Doomed9 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.26.06 Join Doomed9 [0] (n=nnscript@ool-4353c24e.dyn.optonline.net) 11.27.23 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.27.23 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.27.53 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 11.36.50 # how about my score yesterday, eh? 11.37.07 # not only was it a huge bloody score, but it was also the most stupid commit ever 11.37.59 # preglow, i doubt it was stupider than my untested-on-all-but-two-models color wormlet patch plus the two consecutively worse broken fixes.. :) 11.38.30 # that's pretty extreme 11.38.40 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@Fd5c3.f.strato-dslnet.de) 11.39.01 # "To err is human, to really screw up requires a computer" 11.39.24 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-155-77.dsl.pipex.com) 11.39.47 # this wasn't untested, but i had to remove the code before i commited something unrelated in the same file, but then i screwed up and pasted in the wrong place when commiting it again... 11.40.16 # earning a score i hope will be prove me the champion for some time to come 11.41.03 # preglow, oh, you're on.. i think i might "accidentally" delete a few source files when nobody expects it. :) 11.41.31 # haha 11.42.25 # midkay_: the best kinds of errors are the kinds that accidentally screw up scope with a missing semicolon or screwed up/missing header include 11.42.47 # those kinds aren't fatal enough for the compiler, so it keeps trying to compile, just to be helpful :) 11.43.17 # ashridah, haha :) can you say "undefined references to button.c"? ;) 11.43.51 # that's a small error 11.43.55 # my errors were over 239058239059023 lines 11.44.02 # which makes a good amount of points 11.44.22 # but anywho, i've gotta catch a train, later 11.44.31 # preglow, laters :) 11.44.31 # congrats, i guess. :) 11.44.32 # midkay_: nah, linker errors aren't a major drama, and tend to be immediately fatal in one hit 11.44.37 # the best kinds are the ones in common headers 11.44.37 # preglow: don't forget your ipod :) 11.44.40 # ashridah, hm.. 11.45.30 # i'll just clean it out then. :) delete its contents but leave it.. maybe 20-40 undefined references to BUTTON_* per plugin, not counting apps/* :) 11.45.54 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 11.45.56 # midkay_: the problem is, it's likely to abort the compilation at the end of the file. 11.46.00 # nooo. 11.46.15 # it seems that the build system keeps going even if some errors occur.. 11.47.01 # silly build system 11.47.52 # * petur recommends ctrl-c :) 11.52.45 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 11.52.50 # hi 11.53.21 # hi Jungti1234 11.53.33 # yeah 11.54.09 # just for fun > http://www.kuro5hin.org/story/2006/3/14/175929/544 11.54.18 # polymorphism explaination 11.55.04 # haha. nice examples. 11.55.38 # HAHA. 11.55.57 # wow.. every book should have examples this way.. 11.56.04 # :) 11.56.13 # true 11.56.45 # lol 11.57.20 Join webguest88 [0] (n=9eea0a90@labb.contactor.se) 11.57.41 Quit webguest88 (Client Quit) 12.00.16 # that's quite possibly the first piece of literally arousing code i've ever seen 12.02.55 # :) 12.04.09 # why u dont consider low level ASM hack as arousing ?? pfffffffff ;) 12.06.17 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.12.38 Quit petur ("lunch") 12.16.41 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-245.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.18.21 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 12.20.01 Quit TiMiD (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.37.03 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-105-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.42.10 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-c736f91053dd3e67) 12.47.24 Nick CoCo^uni is now known as CoCoLUS (n=coco@h081217139221.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) 12.49.27 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.54.22 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 12.59.16 # another nice example of marketing idiots http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/03/17/verbatim_flashdisc/ 13.00.46 # wow, 16MB, it almost fits a whole file 13.02.34 Quit burgerman ("poke smot evryday!") 13.10.09 Quit darkless_ (Remote closed the connection) 13.28.42 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 13.31.47 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.31.55 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 13.34.38 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-64-105-8.barak-online.net) 13.40.31 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 13.43.33 Join KN|stiff [0] (n=phhome@Fccf1.f.strato-dslnet.de) 13.44.35 # anyone know if USB OTG is likely to ever work on the H300? 13.46.10 # I've been looking at it and it will stay on my agenda 13.47.11 # prh in short : yes 13.47.20 # I'm still figuring out how the isp1362 is connected to the coldfire :( 13.47.25 # and probably with more support than the original fw ... 13.47.40 # and the nano? 13.47.57 # Mikachu this is very different beast... 13.47.59 # is that host-capable? 13.48.04 # i don't know 13.48.16 # petur probably yes (the USB impl. is all in sw) 13.48.33 Quit needleboy () 13.48.40 # but good luck finding out where what to write to/where what to read from ... :) 13.48.59 # then i could play pacbox with my gamepad ;) 13.49.20 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-64-105-8.barak-online.net) 13.49.55 # Bg3r: that's not the problem atm, the chip's not responding at all, I get the feeling I need to do something to wake it up 13.50.15 # but I have a hard time reading disassembly ;) 13.51.13 # already found one extra hardware connection... 13.52.30 # petur yeah, i saw that :( 13.52.54 # ":(" for the disassembly 13.56.45 # Bg3r: & petur great news 13.57.09 # still a long way to go 13.57.26 # so theoretically you could copy music directly between to music players 13.57.32 # (running rb) 13.57.39 # aye that'd be nice 13.57.46 # or maybe even the client could be retailos 13.57.51 # the copying mechanism in iRivers fw is rubbish 13.57.52 # and use a keyboard, and stream music to usb speakers, .... 13.58.04 # i messed up the word order there, "maybe the client could even be retailos" 13.58.25 # Mikachu i think that it could be possible even to attach external DVD-ROM drive (for example), selfpowered of course, and to play music from it 13.58.37 # hahaha 13.58.43 # What I would really like is the ability to copy photos from my camera (like the ipodcamera connector) 13.58.43 # hehe 13.58.54 # yeah that would be nice, apple don't support that for nano 13.58.59 # my camera only has 16MB memory :) 13.59.09 # and no lcd 13.59.20 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsbOnTheGoSupport 13.59.40 Quit CoCoLUS (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.02.17 # petur what there ? :) 14.02.42 Quit [z]ollo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.02.44 # discussion of what we want to support? 14.03.29 # ah, yeah... in fact this topic was started by me .. :) 14.03.43 # * petur goes looking 14.03.54 # <^BeN^> Mikachu, where the xobox patch located? 14.04.18 Join Rondom_ [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b24.pool.mediaWays.net) 14.04.26 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-xobox_updates.patch 14.04.36 # <^BeN^> 10x 14.04.37 # ^BeN^: linus already committed a fix for the backlight issue 14.04.39 # petur ah, you won't see my name there because of the wiki deletion... 14.04.57 # <^BeN^> i saw 14.05.04 # was just going to give the remark 14.06.13 # I have big hopes in the philips demo program, it looks like it has a usable usbotg stack in source... 14.06.46 # but first we need to be able to access the chip :( 14.07.30 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 14.08.03 # yeah 14.08.17 # <^BeN^> Mikachu, you real name is Mikael Magnusson? 14.08.24 # ^BeN^: yes 14.08.25 # petur do you have any idea how the isp1362.c will look like (API-wise) ? ;) 14.08.26 Quit midkay (Connection reset by peer) 14.08.28 # <^BeN^> ok 14.11.49 Join CoCoLUS [0] (n=coco@h081217139221.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) 14.13.46 # Bg3r: no, but I want it +/- compatible with the philips demo stack code :) 14.14.49 # hehe 14.15.39 Quit Rondom (Nick collision from services.) 14.15.48 Nick Rondom_ is now known as Rondom (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94b24.pool.mediaWays.net) 14.17.33 Join midk [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 14.18.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 14.18.33 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 14.21.12 # <^BeN^> $ cvs diff -u3 14.21.13 # <^BeN^> cvs [diff aborted]: connect to www.rockbox.org(193.15.23.131):2401 failed: Conne 14.21.13 # <^BeN^> ction refused 14.21.17 # <^BeN^> blah 14.21.17 # <^BeN^> =\ 14.21.21 Nick ^BeN^ is now known as Paprica (i=Paprica@85-250-104-69.bb.netvision.net.il) 14.21.53 # what happened? 14.28.32 Join herz42 [0] (n=herz42@p549FF165.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.31.22 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@dhcp87.contactor.se) 14.31.46 # wow tomorrow is the big day! 14.31.55 # devcon 14.31.58 # :) 14.32.33 # * B4gder and Linus is already in place 14.32.43 # working on the webcam 14.32.53 # the swedes are in da PLACE ;) 14.32.58 # :) 14.33.06 # :D already? 14.33.11 # It must be fun! 14.33.12 Quit bobTHC ("Smoke Weed Every Dayz !!!!!!!") 14.33.40 # amiconn called a while ago, he has landed 14.34.08 # grrrr.. 14.34.10 DBUG Enqueued KICK XavierGr 14.34.10 # 06[10:14] * 0000,03amiconn00,9901 06gotta leave 14.34.10 # 04[10:14] *** amiconn has signed off IRC ().04,9901 14.34.17 # is that why he left? 14.34.25 # yes, and lostlogic is there too 14.34.36 # must be flying already... comming from the states... 14.34.38 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 2 seconds at the last flood 14.34.38 # * petur also wanted to be there 14.35.06 # even if it was only to bring the beer :D 14.35.18 # ghehe, I wanted to listen to the discussions ;) 14.35.33 # and meet the rockbox gods... haha... 14.35.33 # I hope that you will take a lot of pics and videos. 14.35.48 # (the rockbox-three) muahhahaha 14.36.19 # the conspiracy team :D 14.36.37 # yeah 14.37.56 # * Zagor is going there in a few minutes 14.38.08 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.38.29 # Zagor: are you working at contactor too? 14.39.10 # not at the moment. I'm on temporary leave to work at another place for a while. 14.39.31 Join BoD[] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 14.39.38 # Hello, world! 14.39.44 # hi 14.40.10 # Hey a quick question: what do you guys use for podcasts, and do you know a tool that allows automatic renaming of episodes? 14.40.33 # I use juice to download them 14.40.36 # and I never rename them... 14.40.57 # sometimes a little renaming is usefull for sorting 14.41.02 # but it must be possible to write a small perl script to fetch and rename podcasts... 14.41.10 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=d90a3c55@labb.contactor.se) 14.41.50 # BoD[]: try entering podcast on freshmeat.net 14.43.42 Quit CoCoLUS (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.44.11 Join CoCoLUS [0] (n=coco@h081217139221.dyn.cm.kabsi.at) 14.45.54 # i'm gonna endup making my own 14.47.02 Nick Spida_ is now known as Spida (i=Spida@p508A009F.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.51.21 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484F030.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.55.07 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 14.57.36 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 14.58.31 Part BoD[] ("gloubacs") 14.59.24 # silly webcam app 15.00.20 # * [IDC]Dragon wants to see the devcon early birds 15.00.39 # I need to write a perl script to do the picture uploads 15.00.58 # * petur keeps on refreshing the devcon wiki page 15.01.06 # <[IDC]Dragon> should take you 30 sec or so 15.01.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> ;-) 15.01.21 # first I need to get cygwin installed to get a fine perl ;-) 15.01.39 # <[IDC]Dragon> or use ActivePerl 15.01.55 # I think cygwin will be useful on that computer anyway for the weekend 15.02.16 # it sits connected to the projector 15.02.29 # * [IDC]Dragon forgot to bring movies 15.06.45 # * lostlogic is in Heathrow, 4000 miles closer to devcon :-P 15.06.56 # wow 15.08.21 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.08.49 # neat! 15.09.24 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.09.43 # bagh, definitely going to be late... not boarding yet for a 2:15 GMT departure. 15.10.12 # lostlogic: you seen the alternative bus suggestion? 15.10.32 # B4gder: In my email, I assume? 15.10.38 # nah, on the wiki page 15.10.43 # its just a minor change 15.10.52 # but may be quicker for you 15.11.13 # I'm supposed to be meeting up with Cassandra at ARN, so we'll figure it out. 15.11.21 # ok, goodie 15.11.29 # if in doubt, just call 15.11.32 # you should discuss a better name for bejeweled at devcon! 15.11.39 # and all the other plugins with 'rock' and 'box' in their name 15.11.41 Quit needleboy () 15.11.42 # * preglow still suggests berofled 15.11.52 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-64-105-8.barak-online.net) 15.11.54 # jebeweled ? 15.11.57 # hahah 15.11.58 # nice 15.12.15 # lostlogic: how on earth are you online while in heathrow? 15.12.21 # * preglow guesses wlan 15.12.31 # B4gder: calling probably more difficult than getting online considering the lack of a European cell phone in my pocket ;) 15.12.36 # XavierGr: tmobile hotspot 15.12.49 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 15.12.55 # cost me 5 pounds but it's worth it because I hadn't gotten Cassandra's confirmation of meeting up before I left. 15.13.04 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@85-64-105-8.barak-online.net) 15.13.09 # ah okay then 15.14.09 # lostlogic: sure, we'll be around online as well of course 15.14.23 # playback on ipod tends to skip very, very occasionally 15.14.27 # i wonder why 15.14.37 # preglow: slowness, w/o peakmeter it doesn't afaics 15.14.44 # oops, boarding time, see yas later 15.14.50 # later 15.14.53 # see ya 15.15.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> lostlogic: where are you coming from? 15.15.05 # us 15.15.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> whow 15.15.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> must be expensive 15.15.21 # take good care of him :) 15.15.38 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'll try 15.15.46 # the peakmeter should detect when you're not looking at it and stop redrawing 15.15.53 # we bought a US beer for him in case he'd feel home sick ;-) 15.15.55 # hahah 15.15.58 # * [IDC]Dragon has to work for another 2 hours 15.16.02 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.16.43 # i'd seriously like a couple of beers soon, but i can't bloody taste anything thanks to this cold ://// 15.16.54 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB4E8AF.ipt.aol.com) 15.17.03 # preglow: with the cpu_frequ patch, my pcm buffer is running frightening low sometimes while running on 30MHz 15.17.09 # herz42: small wonder 15.17.52 # maybe there are some situations where the boost can't make it catch up... 15.18.14 # sure there are 15.18.24 # but it works almost perfectly on my player 15.18.32 # plus, commiting it gives us a good reason to optimise 15.18.39 # now if i only had time to do it 15.18.59 # I just thought as you were mentioning it was skipping above... 15.19.12 # herz42: it skips something like once every half hour 15.19.18 # herz42: which kind of makes me think there's some other reason 15.19.50 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.20.06 # preglow: Yeah, if mine skips it doesn't do it often enough for me to even notice. 15.20.10 # you could check if the disk was spinning when it happened? 15.20.13 # herz42: nano 15.20.16 # hence no disk 15.20.30 # btw, i can make it easier to disable the cpu boosting 15.20.31 Join midk [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 15.20.45 # hmm, could the loading from flash be an issue? 15.20.51 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 15.21.16 # herz42: hardly 15.21.20 # but sure, it might 15.21.46 Part Paul_The_Nerd 15.21.50 # linuxstb: catch my super leet score yesterday? :P 15.23.38 # Yes. Outstanding work. 15.24.12 # preglow olympic score ... 15.24.27 # i think it'll be a record for a long time ;) 15.24.29 # linuxstb: btw, do you know if cpu boosting in the bootloader can hurt matters? it seems to work here 15.26.07 # Doing anything in the bootloader seems to upset Retailos.. 15.26.23 # linuxstb: i updated the absolute wheel patch a bit too 15.26.30 # But it's about time I tested the bootloaders again - I'll try and remember to do it tonight. 15.27.03 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 15.27.18 # Mikachu: Is it on the patch tracker? 15.27.22 # yeah 15.27.33 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4721 15.27.35 # linuxstb: i can't imagine why cpu reclocking should bother it, though 15.27.50 # I'ld like to commit it - and maybe give Rockboy another look. Maybe tonight... 15.28.18 # i'm sure the code can be cleaned up a bit, but i didn't feel like completely understanding the delta calculation handling 15.28.28 # this way i'm sure it doesn't interfere with that at least 15.28.46 # but it still does the full delta calculation but just stops sending the events when you've called the function to disable them 15.29.03 # i also added a pacbox patch (maybe i said that yesterday too) 15.29.34 # oops, that patch has the menu not working bug 15.31.02 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd4c9.f.strato-dslnet.de) 15.32.35 # updated 15.32.51 # it would be nice if you could mark obsolete patches in flyspray 15.36.48 # I thought you could. 15.37.05 # how? 15.37.10 Join einhirn_ [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 15.40.12 # but ok, i gotta go 15.40.23 # have fun at the devcon, those of you are going 15.40.29 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@dhcp87.contactor.se) 15.40.31 # wish i could come :/ 15.40.38 # * preglow vanishes 15.40.40 # You may need to be in the developer group - but just click on "close task" and then give the reason from the list. e.g. "Out of date" 15.40.58 # i just want to mark one of the patches in the task 15.41.15 # amiconn :) welcome here from contactor :) 15.42.21 # Mikachu: Developers can delete attachments. Can you? 15.42.33 # hi 15.42.38 # doesn't look like it 15.43.16 # linuxstb, i cant too 15.43.30 # we have picture 15.44.34 # redesigning the look of rockboy? 15.44.41 Quit midk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ 15.44.49 # are the key issues resolved? 15.44.50 # go go go 15.45.07 # a very exciting view 15.45.33 # hehe 15.46.31 # hehehe :) 15.46.35 # haha nice =] 15.46.47 # who's who? 15.47.10 # Daniel, Linus, Björn (L to R) 15.47.13 # Mikachu b4gder in front:) 15.47.19 # nope 15.47.26 # ah ? 15.47.26 # that's Z 15.47.57 # hah the view is very good atm :P 15.48.10 # hahah :) 15.48.14 # hello 15.48.14 # lolll 15.48.45 # and what nicks do daniel and björn use?:) 15.48.51 # I'm Daniel 15.48.55 Join webguest76 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 15.48.55 # ah 15.48.57 # Zagor is the other 15.49.05 # okay 15.49.06 # where is the pic? 15.49.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ 15.49.17 # is the camera in the air ?:D 15.49.36 # well I just clicked and can't find it. I must be an idiot.... 15.50.36 # heh, let's see where are the cameras ... 15.50.56 # whoa, broken jpeg 15.51.11 # sometimes the page will refresh while the jpeg is updating 15.51.18 # may i suggest uploading to another filename and then mv? :) 15.51.33 # a decent suggestion 15.52.38 # woa, 3 frames in one :) 15.53.29 # where do you see all these? 15.53.39 # the link just shows the regular devcon info 15.53.43 # http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ 15.53.48 # XavierGr refresh ... 15.53.50 # You must have a cache loaded 15.54.43 # I will try with explorer 15.55.00 # firefox seems to cache the redirect annoylingly much 15.55.20 # maybe you said it was a permanent redirect 15.55.22 # BHSPitLappy: No, not redesigning the look, I meant that I might look at Rockboy and try and resolve the screen scaling issues and buttons. (after committing Mikachu's wheel status patch). 15.55.38 # Mikachu: no, it was a html meta refresh 15.55.59 # wow I can see a computer screen 15.56.09 # still working on getting a good position for the cam 15.56.12 # * linuxstb believes devcon has relocated to the nearest bar... 15.56.27 # You need more cams 15.56.33 # and a white board behind it. 15.57.13 # ha you are on windows! 15.57.27 # I thought most of you were using Linux 15.57.41 # we're not at home you know :-) 15.57.52 # That's no excuse... 15.57.58 # :P 15.58.06 # haha is this copy of windows legal ? :D 15.58.07 # well I thought you were on 'someone's' home or job 15.58.08 # haha 15.58.11 # LOL 15.58.28 Nick jborn_ is now known as JoeBorn (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 15.58.36 # now *that* is a good view ;) 15.58.38 # bah, the firewall or isp at work must be caching the page :( 15.58.58 # clear the firefox cache and it works again 15.59.03 # and the deskotp is messy. I can see various setup programs and stuff. Who would put on his desktop that? 15.59.12 # linus :-) 15.59.18 # I fired up iexplorer (not used in ages) and get the same page :( 15.59.24 # ! 15.59.41 # no I fired ie and all seems fine now. 15.59.44 # B4gder here ff 1.5.0.1/gentoo and no problems ... 16.00.03 # except of a bad jpeg ... 16.00.16 # could you turn the comera to see your faces once more. I missed that. (Or take a pic for others to see.) 16.00.24 Quit einhirn_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.00.35 # Ah, human developers... 16.00.43 # wow 16.00.44 # lol 16.00.47 # yes 16.01.00 # I haven't spotted any cvs commits yet though. What are you all up to? 16.01.07 # hehe 16.01.09 # now we know amiconn at least appears to be human ;-) 16.01.15 # got to run 16.01.15 # :)) 16.01.24 Quit petur ("eof") 16.01.39 # who is the guy with the glasses? 16.01.46 # Linus :) 16.01.55 # you need hats with names on 16.01.58 # :D 16.01.59 # Linus in blue, amicon to the right 16.02.01 # A huge nametags 16.02.09 # or 16.02.22 # also, you need top not upload in-place 16.02.49 # yeah yeah yeah :-) 16.03.43 # :-P 16.03.55 # so Bagder: You are the guy in front? (now sitting next to Linus) 16.05.44 # I think that's zagor 16.06.22 # you have many laptops there! 16.06.57 # B4gder how many webcam hits for now ? ;) 16.08.10 # Linus is the bald (sorry :P) guy in front of the cam right? 16.08.20 # AFAIK yes 16.08.41 # * [IDC]Dragon returns 16.08.44 # contactor provided laptops? 16.08.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> nice cam 16.08.50 Join midk [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 16.08.50 # they all look the same 16.09.23 # <[IDC]Dragon> I try to link it from the the wiki page, but the cam link bounces to wiki?! 16.09.29 # yes 16.09.31 # click it 16.09.32 # hit stop 16.09.36 # and then ctrl + F5 16.09.40 # [IDC]Dragon: Firefox? Clear the cache... 16.10.10 # <[IDC]Dragon> ah 16.10.29 # amiconn: who are you? ;) 16.11.00 # amiconn: wave :) 16.11.00 # he is the guy with the glasses. At the rightmost corner, I think 16.11.04 # I'm on the far right, the guy with the silvery laptop 16.11.14 # ah ok 16.11.22 # and who's next to Linus? lostlogic? 16.11.35 # oh wait.. 16.11.38 # losltlogic isn't there yet 16.12.02 # well... I can't destingish Bjorn and Daniel 16.12.05 # ohhhh wow 16.12.05 # hahaha :) 16.12.08 # rockbox tshirt 16.12.11 # :D 16.12.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> I think you can reduce resolution and update rate 16.12.49 # <[IDC]Dragon> or you'll have a terrible net volume 16.13.00 # [IDC]Dragon... weren't you going there? 16.13.03 # we don't do anything useful with it anyway ;-) 16.13.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> with a late plane, yes 16.13.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm the last to arrive 16.13.21 # flying in from? 16.13.25 # I can see an archos device sitting on amiconn's desk 16.13.27 # <[IDC]Dragon> germany 16.13.27 # B4gder so now you're the one with the rb t-shirt ? 16.13.32 # yes 16.13.42 # Linus has no rockbox shirt? 16.13.50 # yes he does 16.13.52 # he is WITH 16.14.00 # then you're not the only one :) 16.14.10 # the one of me and Zagor 16.14.18 # ghehe 16.14.26 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 16.14.28 # you should've gotten a hat or something.... 16.14.33 # to mark zagor ;) 16.14.35 Part LinusN 16.14.41 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 16.14.48 # we'll have hats next year :-P 16.14.50 # LinusN: happy IRC worked? ;) 16.14.51 Part LinusN 16.14.59 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 16.15.09 # now, we need sound:) 16.15.11 # <[IDC]Dragon> Seeing you there, I'm too exited to keep working 16.15.13 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.15.14 # ghehe 16.15.18 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa71.14.tellas.gr) 16.15.23 Part LinusN 16.15.23 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 16.15.34 # * [IDC]Dragon curses HLX flight schedule 16.15.45 # Gentlemen, we want sound :) 16.15.50 # haha 16.15.52 # * t0mas would have looked rather funny there :P 16.15.58 # the small kid on the block :) 16.17.00 # I must make a capture script to take all projected pics. 16.17.02 # i'm 193 cm 16.17.11 # I'm 190 16.17.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> is Jens the one with the brown shirt? 16.17.21 # XavierGr: and produce a timelapse video 16.17.21 # Jens is the most to the right 16.17.22 # that's bjrn 16.17.23 # (or was) 16.17.30 # of the place getting progressively more untidy 16.17.34 # there he is again 16.17.44 # * LinusN points at Björn 16.17.48 # 16:17:50] +I'm 190 <-- 175 16.17.57 # haha 16.18.00 # lol 16.18.03 Quit webguest76 ("CGI:IRC") 16.18.05 # and just 17 years old... 16.18.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 16.18.41 # <[IDC]Dragon> behind the walls is the sleeping area, or what? 16.18.54 # no, they do the real conspiracy things there 16.18.55 # there are more computers there 16.19.00 # like renaming plugins... 16.20.02 Join DT291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-180.bna.bellsouth.net) 16.20.02 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.20.16 # so when the next person is going to arrive? 16.20.31 # Christi and Brandon in 2-3 hours 16.20.40 # Brandown Low = lostlogic right? 16.20.43 # *Brandon 16.20.44 # yes 16.21.07 # and Christi is the girl we always forget ;) 16.21.13 # "Gentleman we have sound..." 16.21.25 # yes:) 16.21.26 # only man? 16.21.35 # ö 16.22.06 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 16.22.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> the setup looks like for an exam 16.22.18 # ghehe 16.22.25 # * [IDC]Dragon gets bad memories 16.22.25 # With the whole world watching.... 16.22.48 # that would be horrible... 16.22.55 # B4gder: nice color 16.22.56 # oh nice blueish background 16.22.57 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-67a5136f8d52883a) 16.23.32 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@dhcp87.contactor.se) 16.23.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> B4gder: I see mostly incomplete frames, while updating 16.23.58 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd074.f.strato-dslnet.de) 16.23.59 # Linus: I can't see any BDM wigglers, screwdrivers or solder irons, near you. 16.24.15 # <[IDC]Dragon> perhaps ping-pong 2 frames? 16.24.17 # we need to improve the pic upload script 16.24.17 Quit SereRokR (Remote closed the connection) 16.24.18 # XavierGr: you've exposed his fraud 16.24.26 # I can't even see any DAPs around... 16.24.26 # :-) 16.24.40 # Are we watching the right devcon? 16.24.41 # linuxstb: it's called the conspiracy ;) 16.24.43 # I saw an archos recorder (or player) on amiconn's desk 16.25.07 # lol - conspiracy. The word of the month! 16.25.53 # Now you can see a H340 and an Ondio FM in front of my laptop... 16.25.54 # that's more like it. 16.26.09 # hooray for google images, http://static.flickr.com/11/13369675_87e3e51fef_m.jpg 16.26.34 # * linuxstb is reassured 16.26.35 # Mikachu: Good find! 16.26.36 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.27.35 Join ThePR [0] (n=alexnide@host-108.dataart.net) 16.27.45 # I love the armchairs that you have there 16.29.26 # oh shoo, I have to go to work. 16.29.38 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 16.29.48 # XavierGr: close your browser 16.29.53 # lol 16.30.02 # don't want to flood the rockbox.org server 16.30.31 # well bye all. Happy hacking! 16.31.09 Quit XavierGr () 16.32.45 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd074.f.strato-dslnet.de) 16.32.47 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn: how much is that airport bus? 16.33.03 # * [IDC]Dragon needs to change money 16.33.12 # i have just installed rockbox on my ipod nano 16.33.15 # that's great!!! 16.33.25 # wow, guys - you are supermen =) 16.34.03 # ThePR: welcome to the club :) 16.34.06 # ThePR: Have you seen them? http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ 16.35.04 # haha 16.35.07 # linuxstb haha u won't help the rb's server this way :P 16.35.19 # No, I should go back to work :) 16.35.35 # <[IDC]Dragon> amiconn? 16.35.37 # [IDC]Dragon: 95 SEK one way, or 175 SEK both ways 16.35.45 Mode "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 16.35.46 # <[IDC]Dragon> thanks 16.35.48 Topic "Rockbox devcon2006 - Watch the gods at work: http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/" by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 16.35.52 Mode "#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 16.35.58 # :) 16.36.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> that only holds while I'm noth there yet 16.36.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> not 16.37.09 # I'll change it to "Watch the gods and their most faithful fellowers at work" 16.37.19 # buit that's a little long ;) 16.37.31 # t0mas put the link first :) 16.37.46 Mode "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 16.37.48 Topic "Rockbox - devcon2006 --> Watch live: http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/" by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 16.37.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> I'm not a fellower, I'm an Ex 16.38.00 # of who? ;) 16.38.08 # An ex-god? 16.38.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> sortof 16.38.31 # <[IDC]Dragon> you youngster haven't seen my time ;-) 16.38.42 # <[IDC]Dragon> the Archos days 16.39.04 # B4gder: you should get some control over your brother... he has no rockbox shirt ;) 16.39.12 # stop looking at the webcam, my downloads are so slow! :-) 16.39.22 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 16.39.44 # Maybe stop the auto-refresh... 16.39.45 # ghehe, if you commit something... cut the webcam... or the buildsystem will be slow as hell too ;) 16.40.32 Quit SereR0KR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.42.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> ok, I should get going, too 16.42.59 # ghehe 16.43.04 # see you soon (literally) 16.43.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> cu later, in front of that cam 16.43.21 Part [IDC]Dragon 16.44.46 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@dhcp87.contactor.se) 16.45.05 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 16.45.05 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 16.45.10 # t0mas: we will see soon... 16.45.16 # haha zagor :) 16.47.34 # so, B4gder, u're in the right of the cam, just ahead of amiconn, yep ? 16.47.35 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.47.55 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 16.48.00 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.48.13 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-122-082.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.50.27 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-105-078.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.50.34 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-155-77.dsl.pipex.com) 16.51.43 # they should setup name tag following 16.52.13 # crashd: will you hack up a quick script? i promise to install it :-) 16.52.24 # : ) 16.52.40 # if you've got a pixel farm application suite 16.52.44 # on the server 16.52.45 # maybe :P 16.53.08 # don't touch that server... 16.53.13 # heh 16.53.20 # "34 builds in 642 seconds makes 18 seconds/build" 16.53.30 # that's almost 2 times the record ;) 16.53.58 Part Aditya_ 16.55.16 # but hey... we've lost a server 16.56.28 Quit needleboy () 16.56.55 # B4gder should hit it :) 16.57.38 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.58.13 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@dhcp87.contactor.se) 17.02.05 # Zagor: where's your rockbox shirt? 17.03.27 # on the desk :-) 17.03.43 # it's a contest 17.03.45 # i figured keeping my own shirt on would lessen the "factory droids" image a bit :-) 17.03.48 # find the odd person 17.04.09 # haha, it's nice to have the cam... 17.04.15 # now I know when B4gder will respond to pm's 17.04.22 # see him walking back... and typing 17.04.37 # I feel... supervised ;-) 17.04.49 # don't move before that server is back ;) 17.05.25 # we better move to check the server! 17.05.45 # ghehe, if it's on fire... take the cam with you ;) 17.05.53 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 17.06.23 Quit ThePR ("Client Exiting") 17.15.10 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 17.19.26 Quit Rondom (No route to host) 17.19.51 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b94ab6.pool.mediaWays.net) 17.21.58 # LinusN: are the stenberg brothers dead? 17.22.11 # burned while saving the buildserver #2 ? 17.27.40 Join SereR0kR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd592.f.strato-dslnet.de) 17.28.24 # hi 17.28.26 # Silence from devcon.... 17.28.38 # so, is there any deving going on? 17.28.43 # yes... LinusN looks like he's on the phone... 17.28.51 # Ordering pizza? 17.28.55 # and amiconn is looking at his laptop as if it isn't working ;) 17.31.11 # the webcam is good enternainment when you're bored... 17.31.13 # feet on the deskj 17.31.31 # slowly reading something and watching the cam 17.31.32 # ghehe 17.31.52 # Now LinusN is trying to fix amiconn's laptop... 17.31.57 # or his code... 17.32.04 # no 17.32.17 # I was just looking up the devcon location in google earth 17.32.22 # hahaha 17.32.35 # :) So not being any more productive than us then... 17.33.01 # productive? 17.33.05 # it's almost weekend man 17.33.15 # better... it is weekend 17.33.30 # "productive" in a fun, Rockbox kind of way. 17.34.20 # well... I like my sleeping position :P 17.34.51 # Supervising... 17.35.14 # The Stenberg brothers survived the fire... 17.35.19 # pfew 17.35.37 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.37 # :D 17.35.40 # the server did too 17.37.16 # amiconn is mirroring my position... 17.38.01 # * t0mas imagines they now know what a fish in a tank feels like 17.39.15 # we get that nice big brother felling 17.39.18 # feeling 17.39.19 # LinusN: As I can see you are in front of a computer, a quick question about configfile.[ch]. What should the min/max fields be for an enumeration? The .h file implies that they are the min/max values in the enumeration, but the .c file (configfile_load) checks for (val < max) - implying that max should be the number of items in the enumeration. 17.40.05 # an enum is always 0..max 17.40.12 # build server power supply had died. we just replaced it. 17.40.18 # I heard it 17.40.20 # server is back up 17.40.22 # LinusN: So the .c file has a bug? 17.40.37 # but the meaning of the values is in a separate table 17.40.53 # like the backlight timeout for example 17.41.08 # amiconn, have you try rockcalendar on your ondio? 17.41.10 # line 109 of configfile.c uses 0..(max-1) 17.41.17 Quit SereRokR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.41.19 # sounds correct 17.41.28 # wait a sec 17.41.31 # configfile.c 17.41.37 # the plugin ib? 17.41.40 # lib 17.41.41 # Yes 17.41.50 # it has no enums, to my knowledge 17.42.02 # According to the cvs history, you implemented them... 17.42.07 # oh 17.43.00 # ghehe 17.43.10 # doh, there is a combobox in flyspray that lets you select only 'tasks i reported' 17.43.14 # that was years ago, wasn't it? 17.43.27 # hope so 17.43.39 # July/August 2004... 17.43.44 # So yes :) 17.44.00 # long enough to forget without being old ;) 17.49.35 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 17.56.13 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 17.56.13 Quit thegeek_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.57.01 # linuxstb: I've put up a new version of Rockdoom that compiles with the sim. Unfortunately it doesn't run yet though 17.57.10 # It should be smaller also 17.57.37 # I got rid of the -funroll-loops which added quite a bit to the code size without much speed benefit 17.57.38 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 17.58.46 # Good evening 17.58.50 # hi 17.58.53 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.59.00 Join tiennou [0] (n=56cace86@labb.contactor.se) 17.59.18 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 17.59.18 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.59.25 # kkurbjun: Did you apply my fixes? 17.59.26 # the drinks are in the fridge 17.59.35 # Looks like there is something fun going on on that screen Zagor is looking at :-) 17.59.55 # linuxstb, yep, They're all in, at least I think they are 18.00.27 # I'm trying to learn gdb now as I've never used it before 18.00.45 # linuxstb, regarding those button macros for the manual. Should I just define a new option in the platform files, and define the keynames accordingly? 18.00.51 # kkurbjun: You only need a few commands. Just type "gdb rockboxui", then "run" 18.01.37 # When it crashes, it will then probably give you enough information to find the problem. Typing "bt" will do a "backtrace" which gives more info. That's about all I know... 18.01.54 # linuxstb: great, thanks 18.02.13 # then you do "frame [num]" to switch to one particular level in the backtrace 18.02.23 # and "p [var]" to display variable contents 18.02.39 # And I think I will also add two more options. SWCODEC and CONFIG_CODEC(?) to differ between hw and sw platforms 18.03.00 # thanks alot, that's real helpful 18.03.12 # the tutorial I was using was a bit too detailed 18.05.26 # tucoz: I think there are two things needed for the buttons - the first is just to define an option specifying the type of keypad - IPOD_4G_PAD, IRIVER_H100_PAD, RECORDER_PAD etc 18.05.35 # yes 18.06.13 # And then you want another set of macros for the individual button names - possibly using the same names as firmware/export/button.h 18.06.24 # damn... about gdb... I've been looking at stack dumps the whole morning 18.06.40 # just to find out some idiot used strcpy() instead of strncpy() 18.06.54 # That's also what I've been thinking. I'll experiment some and see what works best. 18.07.19 # linuxstb, what do you think of the SWCODEC and SOME_DEFINE_FOR_MAS_CODEC 18.07.37 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-146-188.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 18.07.37 Quit tiennou ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.07.44 # can anyone see what would be wrong with this code: http://pastebin.com/607666 specifically in the assignment of finecosine? 18.07.44 # That will be for sections such as equalizer etc 18.08.07 # the debugger is telling me that finecosine pointer is 0 18.08.21 # maybe you don't have enough memory? 18.08.43 # For calloc() and malloc(), the value returned is a pointer to the allocated memory, which is suitably aligned for any kind of variable, or NULL if the request fails. 18.08.49 # +"" 18.09.16 # finesine is allocating fine though 18.09.35 # * t0mas sees someone comming in 18.09.38 # at devcon 18.09.50 # kkurbjun: if the pointer is 0 it would seem that it isn't... 18.09.53 # Mikachu: we don't have malloc() in rockbox 18.09.57 # t0mas: a Contactor guy 18.09.58 # okay 18.10.15 # but still, it's the largest one so it's a bit suspicious 18.10.19 # B4gder: hanging out there on 18:10 ?? 18.10.27 # yeps :-) 18.10.35 # haha 18.10.51 # mikachu: the malloc is ok, I'm checking the end values of finesine and they're coming up correct also 18.10.58 # hmm 18.11.36 # tucoz: Rockbox itself uses SWCODEC and three different MASNNNN defines for CONFIG_CODEC. Maybe just using SWCODEC and MASCODEC in the manual will be enough. 18.12.11 # can you set gdb to watch certain variables and break when they're modified? 18.12.32 # okay 18.12.44 # then i don't know 18.12.50 # B4gder: added location and killed the image? 18.13.10 # mikachu: thanks though 18.14.30 # oh, I found the problem 18.14.34 # oops 18.14.46 # returning before the value was set 18.14.56 # linuxstb, ok. I think so too. thanks 18.17.31 # kkurbjun: do you have lowercase completion on or are you typing nicks without pressing tab? 18.18.26 # I don't always press tab, why? 18.18.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 18.18.53 # just took me a few seconds to figure out why my nick looked strange :) 18.19.02 # :) 18.24.20 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.57 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-146-188.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 18.25.28 Join CyberDog [0] (i=UNKNOWN6@81.170.13.89) 18.31.00 # björn tripped on the camera cable 18.33.40 # will he recover? 18.34.59 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp97-adsl-207.ath.forthnet.gr) 18.35.09 # yo! 18.35.19 # what software are they using to do that? 18.35.29 # I can see alot of DAPs there 18.35.35 # heh yeah 18.35.40 # stacked neatly 18.35.45 # well they were 18.36.07 # Is there an x5 and an iPod 5G there by any chance? 18.36.19 # two x5s 18.36.22 # no ipod yet 18.36.34 # coulda brought mine over.. 18.36.35 # The ipod boy and girl will be arriving later... 18.36.49 # Thanks, I'd love to see a size comparison when possible. Numbers are harder to visualize. 18.37.01 # draw a picture :) 18.37.19 # bbl 18.37.20 # lemme try... 18.37.21 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 18.38.32 # haha 18.39.15 Quit BHSPitLappy2 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.39.43 # wow 18.39.47 # what does it say? 18.39.55 # rockbox manual? 18.40.09 # yeah it seems like it 18.40.15 # what is that image on the cam? 18.40.31 # a basic schedule 18.40.34 # agenda 18.40.36 # oh 18.40.46 # (the hidden agenad) 18.40.46 # what's on the schedule? :-) 18.40.54 # didn't you read? ;) 18.41.03 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 18.42.13 # where is iriver?! ;] 18.42.14 # this is our way of making copies 18.42.23 # magic? 18.42.33 # iriver is in korea ;-) 18.43.16 # hehehe 18.45.37 # the inverse of rockbox, http://ita.sourceforge.net/ 18.47.53 # bliah 18.48.01 # itunes? who uses that? 18.50.18 # many, many people 18.50.25 # shame on them 18.52.39 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-57-180.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.55.44 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.25 # great, have doom running in the sim 18.58.44 # nice! Update your patch 18.59.04 # now that my h300 is for repairs I could play a little in the sim 18.59.07 # kkurbjun, nice 18.59.50 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 18.59.57 # : ) 19.00.22 # kkurbjun, you next project could be make the gif viewer work? 19.00.22 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/3037 19.00.44 # working on the sim but not on h300 19.00.51 # on the ipod it works well 19.00.52 # =\ 19.00.53 # I'm interested in the midi player next 19.00.56 # oh 19.00.59 # ok 19.01.14 # so next next project? ;] 19.01.26 # :) 19.01.29 # Paprica: did your calender get commited? 19.01.39 # not yet 19.01.49 # Paprica: the keyboard code doesn't look at all fun to port 19.01.54 # yes the midi player needs some work. It would be sweet to have it running realtim on 44100hz 19.02.01 # waiting for OK from LinusN 19.02.05 # ahh roit 19.02.18 # what's the state of the chiptune/mod players in rockbox (cant get to web atm) 19.02.32 # Mikachu, huh =] 19.02.34 # Linus & Bjorn left... 19.03.00 # hehe 19.03.12 # Paprica: lots of numbers to align and stuff 19.03.24 # yep 19.04.04 # and i think it would be better to improve the rockbox keyboard or implement switchable input globally for rockbox than have a special keyboard in the calendar 19.04.34 # <- mr optimist 19.05.42 Quit CyberDog () 19.05.58 # kkurbjun: didn't you do doom? 19.06.06 # yes he did 19.06.38 # I thought there WAS a midi player that was a part of doom? no? 19.06.47 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-104-240.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.06.55 # it only sends midi events to the os 19.06.57 # it uses the same as that in the cvs AFAIK 19.06.59 # it doesn't have a builtin synth 19.07.17 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.08.43 # elinenbe, yes, I did doom, but the midi player was done by someone else 19.08.49 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 19.08.54 # oops, answered 19.10.08 # kkurbjun: XavierGr: thanks 19.12.56 Quit SereR0kR ("XChat Aqua") 19.16.33 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-376d5e39757c7e7d) 19.16.42 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@217.9.226.114) 19.19.07 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-142-75-193.range86-142.btcentralplus.com) 19.23.23 Quit actionshrimp (Client Quit) 19.23.53 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 19.29.53 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.30.02 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 19.33.07 # Christi and Brandon gathered at the airport and are on their way 19.34.01 Join midk [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 19.37.00 # * safetydan wonders if anyone is capturing all these images from the web camera to make a movie 19.37.37 # "Watch coders as they... chat on IRC!" We could sell it. 19.37.41 # a thrilling movie it could be 19.38.10 # Rockbox Reloaded 19.38.33 # B4gder what's this ~pink thing next 2 u:P 19.38.55 # a bag of potatoe chips 19.39.03 # haha:) 19.39.07 # Neat to see you live :) 19.39.17 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484F030.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.39.19 # :P hahaha 19.41.34 # Someone just told me (read it from the mailing list) how the name of rockbox emerged.... 19.41.41 # . . . 19.41.53 # hmz... B4gder... maybe you should save the images somewhere 19.42.05 # definitely 19.42.08 # we upload one every 5 seconds 19.42.13 # that A LOT of pictures 19.42.28 # hmm Orpheus, I can't imagine how that would be instead of Rockbox. 19.42.50 # Maybe I will make my own version. Baroquebox :D 19.42.55 # 12* ~ 35kb = 420kb/min 19.43.31 # ~1GB for the 48 hours 19.44.21 # they're more like 50KB each 19.44.36 # ah, yes 19.45.26 # then ~2.5 GB for 60 hours 19.45.49 # ok, 600kb/min = ~843MB/day 19.46.05 # if you're on linux you probably have a hyperuseful program called 'units' 19.46.18 # they are on windows 19.46.24 # You have: 50kB/5 seconds 19.46.25 # You want: MB/day 19.46.25 # * 864 19.46.35 # we have differnet machines involved 19.46.54 # i guess it's available in cygwin too 19.46.54 # amiconn is actually doing serious rockbox work here 19.47.05 # I imagine... 19.47.13 # hrm... not much of a shadowy "real names" conspiracy if we can see your faces 19.47.27 # amiconn what are you doing atm ? ;) 19.47.32 # how do you know it is our _real_ faces? ;-) 19.47.59 # * B4gder waits to do the Mission Impossible face lift-off 19.47.59 # ooo... now the conspiracy really comes out, they're fakes! actors in developers clothes! 19.48.06 # safetydan this is not B4gder, this is his evil twin ... 19.48.18 # so he has the same face? 19.51.31 Part LinusN 19.52.29 Join centos [0] (n=d52fb1eb@labb.contactor.se) 19.53.22 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 19.54.10 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.54.51 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 19.55.26 # could someone help me? i tried to patch the latest bleeding with the Arbitrary-vorbis-comments-patch but one hunk fails. at screens.c. or maybe someone knows how to contact the developer (low-light). 19.56.09 # try looking at the source and the .rej file and see if you can merge it manually 19.57.08 # to be honest, i simply don´t know how to do that. 19.57.34 # :( 19.57.47 # devs... what about committing this ? : http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4843 19.58.39 # no source for this? http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2003-02/0642.shtml 19.59.27 # Paprica: I believe we got the source 19.59.48 # but we didn't want all his changes 19.59.57 # and he didn't want to make separate patches 20.00.15 # and then it never got anywhere 20.00.29 # it's very old...... 20.01.01 # maype he change his decision? 20.01.08 # maybe* 20.01.09 # I doubt that 20.01.20 # haha =] 20.01.27 # the code was also already then made against an old source version 20.02.35 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 20.02.53 # =\ 20.07.07 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.07.11 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 20.10.59 Join CyberDog [0] (i=UNKNOWN6@81.170.13.89) 20.11.43 # Paprica: Some remarks regarding rockcalendar on Ondio: 20.12.11 # (1) I can't leave the menu with Left as I would expect 20.12.42 # (2) It's impossible to set the date. It seems date setting should be entered with Mode, but it backs out again immediately 20.13.20 # (3) Selecting menu items with Mode is also counter-intuitive on Ondio. It should be Right 20.13.59 # I think rockcalendar should use the rockbox standard menus to ensure standard behaviour 20.18.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 20.18.54 # sooo ? what about my patch ? very simple one... only a few lines changed 20.19.01 Join Zagor [0] (i=foobar@h15n2fls34o265.telia.com) 20.19.04 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.19.44 Quit CyberDog () 20.19.45 # man, that poor 2mbit line is glowing... 20.19.46 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 20.20.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/bugs/task/4843 20.20.56 # hm, i have 100mbit, maybe i could help? 20.21.22 # Mikachu: I hate you! 20.21.41 # i have to pay 6.5$ per month for it too :( 20.21.52 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 20.22.13 # Mikachu: you have somewhere we can upload pictures too frequently? 20.22.31 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.22.35 # i could probably set up a thing on my ftp server 20.22.38 # Mikachu: Stop talking about Interent connections please. I hate you more. 20.22.52 # 6.5$ for 100mbit? 20.22.57 # student deal 20.23.06 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.23.14 # ok, rockdoom is updated, it runs great on the sim now, no sound though 20.23.15 # I pay 30 euros for 384 (more like 256) kbps 20.23.37 # that isnt 100mbit 20.23.39 # and no more than 20 packets per second 20.23.43 # that's not even 10mbit dude 20.23.49 # exactly 20.24.02 # (no VoIP no online gaming e.t.c) 20.24.07 # that's why I hate him 20.24.11 # i pay £34.99 for 10mbit proper 20.24.13 # which it tasty 20.24.22 # I hate you too. 20.24.25 # heh 20.24.28 # only 512 upload tho 20.24.33 # grrr 20.24.33 # so, what goes around comes around, i guess 20.24.39 # B4gder: what kind of pics ? 20.24.53 # i might be able to help 20.25.04 # very juicy pics => http://www.rockbox.org/devcon2006/ 20.25.11 # indeed 20.25.20 # ahh, a webcam feed 20.25.20 Quit centos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.26.08 # * LinusN waves 20.26.19 # hehe 20.26.24 # * B4gder ruins it 20.27.30 # I like the stack of DAPs you got there 20.28.37 # It's missing the iPod gang 20.28.42 # a neat pile 20.28.52 # yes, they should've called us by now... 20.29.01 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.30.02 Join webguest77 [0] (n=54b107c2@labb.contactor.se) 20.30.24 Part webguest77 20.32.19 # so, one H1xx over 3 archoses, and 2 h3x0 in front of them ? 20.32.23 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.33.07 # no, can't be 2 h3x0 20.33.08 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.33.14 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.33.59 # Bg3r: It's a Player and a Recorder v1 20.34.11 # across that an FM recorder 20.34.25 # and a H140 on top 20.34.35 # and in front of them ? 20.34.56 # heh B4gder rearranges them 20.35.00 # In front of the stack there is an iAudio X5 and a H320 20.35.14 # err, two iAudios 20.35.30 # what's that next to B4gder ? 20.35.38 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-095-094.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.35.39 # to his right hand 20.35.44 # Now you can see an Ondio FM as well 20.36.59 # any digi camera there ? 20.37.48 # good B4gder, good :) 20.39.43 Join GO [0] (n=go@n38h39.catv.ext.ru) 20.41.47 # ela 20.45.17 # XavierGr ? 20.45.36 # yes? 20.45.40 # ela ? 20.45.40 # oops soory 20.45.55 # god this happens to me all the time 20.46.05 # my apache log has never been this active before 20.46.12 # hehe 20.46.21 # Mikachu, we're getting images from you now? 20.46.31 # ah, yes 20.46.34 # tucoz yep 20.46.35 # it seems faster 20.46.51 # tucoz: yeah 20.46.55 # cool 20.47.01 # log is growing 1kB/s 20.47.23 # Can you see how many connections you got? 20.47.35 # wow that tower is frightening? 20.47.42 # DAP Tower! 20.47.42 # Mikachu: you should be able to do a good count on current number of browsing peple 20.47.47 # they're opened and closed all the time 20.48.01 # Mikachu check per ip ... 20.48.44 # % lgrep /shot.jpg access.log|cut -f 1 -d \ |sort -u|wc -l 20.48.44 # 27 20.50.36 # % lgrep /shot.jpg access.log|cut -f 1 -d \ |sort -u|logresolve|rev|cut -f 1 -d .|rev|sort -u|lgrep '[a-zA-Z]'|wc -l 20.50.39 # 14 20.51.04 # number of different TLDs 20.51.50 Quit GO () 20.56.42 # linuxstb: could you see if the latest source I have will fit in the IPod's plugin buffer if you get a chance? 20.58.31 # Paprica: I've just tried RockCalendar on my 4g Color ipod and I don't think I like a single one of your button choices :). IMO, the button mappings should be the following: The clickwheel should be used for RIGHT/LEFT and we can live without UP/DOWN. Pressing MENU should bring up the main menu, pressing SELECT should bring up the "current day" menu. In the menus themselves, you should use the scrollwheel to move up/down, with eit 20.58.31 # her SELECT or RIGHT to select an item, and either LEFT or MENU to leave the menu - maybe use the standard MENU_???? defines in menu.h (which I think plugins have access to via plugin.h). The actual LEFT/RIGHT buttons should be used for previous/next month. 20.59.13 # kkurbjun: OK, I'll try it now - but you could just install the ARM cross-compiler youself :) 20.59.23 # Is it on the patch tracker? 20.59.26 # yep 21.02.25 # It still fails with a static/non-static error. 21.02.40 # where is that so I can fix it 21.02.50 # my compiler doesn't give me that error 21.03.08 # in p_mobj.c - itemrespawnque and itemrespawntime 21.03.22 # Lines 804 and 805 in p_mobj.c 21.04.19 # And there are more in r_segs.c - lines 49, 50, 51, 67 and 68 all need the word "static" removing. 21.04.54 # what's wrong with the static definition? they are modified later I guess? 21.05.46 # errr, no, is it just complaining because they are globals? 21.05.48 # My understanding is that static in that context means that the variables are only available to functions in the same .c file. 21.05.56 # oh, I see 21.06.23 # And one more in d_main.c - line 104 (basetic) 21.06.56 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.07.21 # LinusN: to you and all the others... good luck boys! 21.07.52 # hey, christi's coming too 21.07.55 # :-) 21.08.12 # ok, I think i got all of them 21.08.33 # And yes - it now compiles fine in the iPod's 512KB plugin buffer :) 21.08.34 # well, christi and brandon are lost somewhere in the cold swedish night... 21.09.00 # it seems like her cell phone is dead... 21.09.01 # linuxstb, great :), now if only it would run 21.10.03 # linuxstb, how large is the .rock on the ipod now? 21.12.08 # for variables, static inside a function means it persists across calls to the function, static outside a function means the variable is only available in that c file 21.12.11 # The .rock itself is 372856 bytes. The total size including BSS is 422916 bytes. 21.12.47 # Mikachu: Yes - the second case was causing the problem. Variables declared non-static in the .h file, but static in the .c file. 21.13.02 # gcc 3.4.x wasn't complaining, but gcc 4 does. 21.13.06 # Mikachu, thanks 21.13.21 # linuxstb, good, then I have some room to add more code :) 21.16.31 # have a nice time at the devcon, I'm off to the pub :) 21.16.43 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 21.17.39 Join webguest91 [0] (n=414a01a1@labb.contactor.se) 21.18.28 # oi, I dont see any frosty beverages on the tables of you hard working folks over there in sweden 21.18.50 # not yet 21.18.57 # :) 21.19.15 # can't drink until i have picked up christi and brandon 21.19.32 # can't christi turn water into wine? 21.19.45 # :-) 21.20.02 # make her drive :> 21.21.59 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.22.08 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.22.13 # you'all have a nice day 21.22.17 Part webguest91 21.23.22 Quit XavierGr () 21.23.27 # LinusN: debian installed yet? 21.24.18 # yes 21.24.29 # your installation froze 21.24.53 # yikes 21.26.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp97-adsl-207.ath.forthnet.gr) 21.26.35 # linuxstb: i'm playing a bit with the scaling code in pacbox 21.26.46 # linuxstb: but the code is a tad confusing 21.27.02 # linuxstb: my idea so far is to or together all the values of the four pixels into one 21.27.13 # linuxstb: so at least all the blue lines defining the playfield are drawn 21.27.22 # linuxstb: so far i've understood how to do it horizontally 21.27.59 # linuxstb: do you already have some idea for good scaling so i just should give up? :) 21.32.14 Join webguest55 [0] (n=51400b8c@labb.contactor.se) 21.38.59 # Hello rockers 21.39.24 # * B4gder rocks 21.39.31 # Is Rockbox will run on the X5 soon ? 21.39.32 # Mikachu: My two ideas for Nano scaling were: 1) Do what one of the ipodmame devs has done, and redesign the pacman sprites to be 4x4 instead of 8x8 (so the existing scaling will work better); or 2) Manually decide which of the 224 columns and 288 rows to skip and use two lookup tables. 21.39.42 # linuxstb: ah 21.39.52 # linuxstb: that sounds like it will work better then :) 21.39.55 # webguest55: we hope so 21.40.54 # Cooool ! 21.41.14 # i can have the webcam page up but obscured in good conscience 21.41.37 # but no one else! 21.41.52 # :-) 21.42.04 # yay 21.42.09 # Any word from the two lost ipodders? 21.42.19 # no 21.42.28 # lost in translation 21.42.34 # (translation also means movement) 21.42.51 # really? 21.42.53 # heheh, whenever i turn on my television, it's like a miniature degauss for my monitor... :) 21.42.59 # yes it does... 21.43.16 # "Motion in which all the points of the moving body have at any instant the same velocity and direction of motion; -- opposed to rotation." 21.44.20 # and in entry level algebra, a translation is a move... 21.44.26 # yeah 21.44.30 # that's the kinematics definition 21.44.38 # which was good enough for my pun 21.44.44 # woohoo for my memory. 21.45.23 # y=x+1 is a translation transform, but not a very exciting one :) 21.48.02 # linuxstb: hm, i can't quite understand the scaling code... do you scale 0.5 in both x and y? 21.48.13 # someone just left... 21.48.29 # Zagor is going for...? 21.48.31 # maybe they had to do toiled 21.48.33 # t 21.48.54 # no he put on his jacket, so... :D 21.48.58 # ah 21.49.08 # maybe the toilet is outdoors :P 21.49.13 # lol 21.49.18 # or maybe he's going for some jolt cola 21.49.24 # Mikachu: Yes - scaling happens in both directions. 21.49.40 # or maybe he is going to bring Christi and Brandon 21.49.40 # 224x288 -> 144x112 21.49.41 # he's getting burgers for all 21.49.50 # ah yummie! 21.49.51 # linuxstb: in the y loop, vbuf is only increased by ScreenWidth, not 2* 21.50.01 # so i'm a bit confused at how it's actually skipping two lines 21.50.02 # burger king closes in 10 minutes :-) 21.50.05 # skipping one line rather 21.50.14 # That's because vbuf is the internal emulator framebuffer - which is 1 byte per pixel. 21.50.14 # that's too early man 21.50.35 # so if i did vbuf + ScreenWidth/2, i would get the pixel under the current one? 21.50.39 # Mikachu: Sorry, forget that.... 21.50.45 # Let me look at the code again. 21.50.59 # our eating spots close not before 12.00 or late 5.00am. (Some are 24hour open) 21.52.37 # Mikachu: I was right. In the blit_display() function, lcd_framebuffer is the Rockbox 16bpp framebuffer, and vbuf is the Pacman 8bpp framebuffer containing palette values.. 21.52.47 # okay, so will what i wrote work? 21.52.55 # Mikachu: So vbuf+ScreenWidth gives you the pixel underneath the current one 21.53.11 # hm, so why does the next loop step skip a line? 21.54.38 # Where do you mean? The vbuf+=Screenwidth? 21.54.46 # yeah 21.55.06 # That's the part that skips every other line in vbuf. 21.55.16 # The vbuf+=2 skips every other column. 21.55.23 # oooh yes of course, vbuf will be at the next line already from the +2 21.55.41 # but dst is reset to the reference every loop and substracted 21.56.05 # then it is crystal clear 21.57.00 # I had to write 5 of those loops... And I still need to add support for the greyscale ipods. 21.57.10 # hm, if i wanted to average the values in rockbox colorspace, i'd have to unpack them first? 21.57.19 # that would probably not look so good though 21.59.23 # okay, so now it's pretty ugly but all the blue lines are there 22.00.48 # bbl 22.01.22 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@69-175-94-207.frdrmd.adelphia.net) 22.01.35 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-155-77.dsl.pipex.com) 22.04.08 # daniel found two foreigners wandering in the cold... 22.04.18 # was it the right ones? 22.04.34 # or 'are they' rather 22.04.52 Quit solexx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.55 # linuxstb: it's a bit illogical with the names LCD_RGBPACK and RGB_UNPACK_color i think 22.06.04 # (i'm just going to try the blending for fun) 22.10.40 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d029031.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.11.46 # say hello from me when they arrive 22.11.49 # I have to go 22.11.53 Quit webguest55 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.13.13 Quit XavierGr ("Keep") 22.14.27 Join safetydan [0] (n=51b2e7b8@labb.contactor.se) 22.14.59 Quit Nico_P () 22.15.18 # Well it's much easier to tell if someone's away when they have a web cam pointing at them. 22.15.35 # heh, this is both slow and ugly 22.18.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 22.19.33 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 22.19.47 # Hrm... I wonder if it's worth doing some cleanup based on some of gcc's more obscure warning settings. 22.24.42 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-66-202.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.28.34 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 22.28.51 # midkay! 22.29.00 # sharpie!!! 22.29.09 # heh... 22.29.44 # wazaawazzaaaaaaaaa ;) 22.30.22 # lol 22.30.30 # going to get started on the pixel maze... 22.30.44 # "get started" - what the hell? :) 22.30.59 # haven't you been working on that for like two years now? ;) 22.31.01 # er, start back on working? 22.31.40 Quit ScootScat () 22.31.43 # i've just taken a break for a while... 22.32.00 # one day or so actually :) 22.32.06 # what about packed wps files!! *cries* 22.32.09 # haha. 22.32.19 # i don't know :'( 22.32.31 # need-you help? 22.32.41 # for those, yeh 22.33.01 # i could try.. i'd probably fail, but i could try. :) 22.33.16 # heh, probably better than i've done 22.33.26 # i doubt it. :) 22.34.10 # i just haven't gotten the adding the functions to the api struct to work... 22.34.36 # sharpe, aha.. 22.34.52 # yeah... 22.35.11 # well, let me see if i can do that.. 22.35.17 # well, it wasn't really the functions, just... the like global settings and the wps thingie... 22.35.30 # hmm.. 22.35.34 # yeesh... compiling with -Wwrite-strings throws up a lot of warnings 22.35.59 # hm? isn't -fno-write-strings default or something like that? 22.36.22 # yeah it is, I'm just poking around and seeing what gcc doesn't like in Rockbox when it's being super-strict 22.36.34 # wait... I'm just talking about warnings 22.36.45 # i thought writing to strings was disabled since 3.0 or so 22.36.56 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.37.07 # apparently not 22.38.08 # "" These warnings will help you find at compile time code that can try to write into a string constant, but only if you have been very careful about using "const" in declarations and prototypes. Otherwise, it will just be a nuisance; this is why we did not make -Wall request these warnings. "" 22.38.35 # I'm trying for const correctness 22.38.40 # okay 22.38.42 # Rockbox isn't too bad when it comes to use of const 22.39.13 # apps/plugins/doom}% grep fuck *|wc -l 22.39.13 # 19 22.39.56 # ha 22.40.42 # 2 in Rockbox source 22.41.55 Join afruff23_ [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 22.42.46 # anyone there? 22.42.50 # sure 22.42.55 # of course 22.42.58 # ooh, someone is back at the devcon 22.43.03 # anyone developing for X5 22.43.09 # two! 22.43.19 # you are? 22.43.24 # no 22.43.30 # i wasn't replying, sorry 22.44.02 # one guy sure loks happy at the devcon 22.44.07 # looks* 22.44.14 # and he's gone 22.44.22 # he's back 22.44.30 # walking to cam 22.44.48 # what'd he just do? 22.44.57 # he;s happy again 22.44.58 # lol 22.45.04 # that's linus 22.45.04 # now sad 22.45.05 # i moved the cam 22.45.23 # it's not that different 22.46.26 # did you find lolo and christi? 22.47.06 # yup 22.47.16 # christi is behind the lcd screen to the left 22.47.32 # and you can see brandon's right elbow to the right 22.47.34 Part safetydan 22.47.37 # i'm making a "who's who" image 22.47.50 # ah 22.49.26 # can I expect to see an X5 port by next year?(no sarcasm intended)(I won't hold you to anything either) 22.49.47 # yes, the x5 will come soon 22.50.00 # yipee 22.50.25 # since the X5 already has native FLAC support, then will it have full seekign support? 22.50.28 # seeking* 22.51.47 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 22.52.33 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 22.53.59 # afruff23_: i was able to seek in them on my ipod after i added seeking tables with metaflac 22.54.18 # Is it just me or is the pile of mp3 players starting to look a little like R2-D2? 22.54.36 # no, I read somehwere that in FLAC files on rockbox you can't seek exactly 22.54.47 # it just goes to the nearest part of a seeking table 22.55.35 # * afruff23_ slaps Mikachu 22.55.45 # what is slapping? 22.56.00 # striking? 22.56.06 # never mind 22.56.31 # okay :) 22.56.39 # How long does this devcon last? 22.56.47 # safetydan: i had that thought too earlier 22.57.18 # not exactly r2d2 but some kind of robot 22.57.28 # ËØÔÆÍãËÓ¿ 22.57.40 # examples? 22.58.39 # i got 47 fucks in linux sources 22.59.00 # Sounds like an exciting Friday night you're having there Mikachu :) 22.59.06 # heh 22.59.06 # grepping source code for swear words 22.59.21 # sounds like fun 22.59.26 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 22.59.31 # it's not like i sat watching the grep go 22.59.33 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (n=Steve-O@66-169-126-180.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 22.59.40 # mikachu are oyu a developer? 22.59.43 # you* 22.59.48 # no 23.00.04 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953f0.pool.mediaWays.net) 23.00.17 # i know i'm not :) 23.00.27 Quit Rondom (Client Quit) 23.00.49 # * Zagor added a whoswho image. reload to see it. 23.01.31 # thanks 23.01.41 # cool 23.01.53 # poor lostlogic... fallen of the edge of the world/camera 23.02.15 # he and christi obviously have something to hide :-) 23.02.28 # damn foreigners 23.02.43 # it's a coverup 23.02.50 # they never really arrived 23.02.52 Join webguest18 [0] (n=51400b8c@labb.contactor.se) 23.02.55 # they killed us 23.03.01 # and wrote hyperadvanced ircbots 23.03.06 # part of the hidden rockbox agenda 23.03.10 # they're going to use us for food for the weekend or something 23.03.37 # the swedish chef will cook them 23.03.40 # Are all the developers swedish? 23.03.45 # and season with swedish fish 23.03.49 # or live there? 23.03.49 # afruff23_, no 23.03.49 # ah, yes 23.04.00 # LinusN, please send me some pieces ;) 23.04.01 # re-hello here 23.04.05 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@66-169-126-180.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 23.04.18 # I asked few minutes ago about the Cowan stuff 23.04.21 # The swedish chef is really an evil serial murderer? 23.04.29 # because if they aren't lving ther, then how could they afford to go to Sweden to develop soemthing for no money? 23.04.30 # How can I help you guys ? 23.04.32 # boy is there a lot of things gcc can warn you about 23.05.00 # for instance, it can warn you that you left your oven on. 23.05.02 # Is there someone working on the hardware parts of iaudio yet? 23.05.12 # safetydan: Warning: Umm... I forgot? 23.05.18 # ha 23.05.20 # I want to help the port 23.05.23 # afruff23_: how can you afford going on vacation? 23.05.40 # Well, it's for leisure not work 23.05.46 # this is leisure 23.05.56 # webguest18: i have most of the hardware covered 23.05.58 # Oh, I view programming as work 23.06.10 # but I've only used C++ 23.06.13 # programming for work is work, programming for fun is leisure 23.06.15 # Is it worth having some sort of janitorial project to go through and clean up some? Sort of like http://wiki.winehq.org/CompilerWarnings 23.06.18 # LinusN: very nice 23.06.48 # whhich port are you guys focsuing on? 23.06.51 # LinusN: have you got something to test yet? bootloader or something 23.06.55 # safetydan: What kind of warnings are you talking about? 23.07.09 # I've got X5 20 gb 23.07.16 # webguest18: i have most of the stuff done to make a bootloader 23.07.40 # linuxstb, things like -Wwrite-strings and -Wstrict-prototypes 23.07.50 # (though the last only shows two warnings in the sim and I made those...) 23.07.51 # I've got the X5L 20 gb for $272. How much you get your's for webguest18? 23.07.53 # LinusN: what are things left? 23.08.08 # LinusN: How will the Rockbox bootloader work on the X5? Will it involve flashing? 23.08.15 # i'll have to tweak the waitstates and stuff for the cpufrequency scaling 23.08.20 # then i'm set 23.08.28 # afruff23: 200 euros but ages ago 23.08.38 # linuxstb: yes, it will be about the same as for hxx 23.08.53 # LinusN: can we hope something really soon? :) 23.09.08 # That's a pretty good price, but is it the version without FM tuner? 23.09.10 # is brandon the one moving around now? 23.09.23 # jörg 23.09.25 # afruff23: yes 23.11.01 # LinusN: what are the things left for have one bootloder (without sound yet I assum) ? 23.11.18 # i told you 23.11.34 # midkay, i think i may have something... 23.12.00 # sharpe, hmm? 23.12.30 # turns out i think i was using the wrong struct :) 23.12.58 # LinusN: have you need something for help? 23.13.20 # sharpe, cool :) 23.13.32 # I mean : can I help you 23.13.44 # i'm just going to see if i can get it to load a .wps first, without doing anything with the zips 23.13.46 # ? 23.14.06 # LinusN: ? 23.14.10 # It's so wierd that all the mp3 players that I had ever been interested in either have rockbox or have devlopment in progress 23.14.22 # gigabeat, X5, ipod, iriver 23.14.27 # sharpe, sounds good - it's what i'd do :) 23.14.28 # webguest18: he's not impolite, he's running around :-) 23.14.35 # :) 23.14.51 # oops sorry 23.14.59 # okay, what nick is jörg's? 23.15.07 Join t0mas_ [0] (n=tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 23.15.19 # Mikachu: reload for latest whoswho 23.15.27 # ah 23.15.45 # Is it possible to search all previous IRC logs without having to go to each link individually? 23.15.50 # webguest18: yes, you can work with the sim 23.15.58 # afruff23_: only with google 23.16.14 # Zagor: what do you mean? :) 23.16.46 # webguest18 he means "blabla site:www.rockbox.org/irc" 23.16.58 # afruff23_: To answer your FLAC question, just create your FLAC files with seekpoints that match the accuracy that you wish to seek to. I personally encode them with seekpoints every second. 23.17.07 # I can keep my od firmware on my X5 at the same time as the rockbox firmware right? Other versions you have to use button combos. Do these combos ever get pressed by accident? 23.17.12 # old* 23.17.13 # *kuch* lost connection 23.17.24 # thanks to Planet Internet, The Netherlands 23.17.37 # LinusN, Bger: is there one part in particulary I have to look at it or somethings? 23.17.42 Part safetydan ("Leaving") 23.17.52 Quit t0mas (Nick collision from services.) 23.17.57 Nick t0mas_ is now known as t0mas (n=tomas@ip503c08d1.speed.planet.nl) 23.18.01 # afruff23_: yes, the bootloader implements dual booting 23.18.06 # woops 23.18.30 # have you decided on a betton combo yet? If so, what is it? 23.18.42 # webguest18: yes, the button mappings 23.19.05 # the x5 has no stop button, so there are a few places where we need to adapt 23.19.19 # LinusN: ok I will look at it 23.19.27 # gr8 23.20.24 # I would reccomend pressing the A-B Repeat button while the X5 is not playing(i.e. paused does not count as playing) 23.20.46 # afruff23_: to do what? 23.20.54 Join Cassandra [0] (n=Cassandr@dhcp87.contactor.se) 23.21.05 # to load the original firmware 23.21.14 # B4gder? everybody in now? 23.21.17 # while in the rockbox firmware, that is 23.21.19 # yeps 23.21.31 Quit BHSPitLappy2 (Connection timed out) 23.21.32 # ah.. have I missed up the lineup? ;) 23.21.34 # afruff23_: you'd hold a key while booting to select other firmwares 23.21.44 # right in front of the cam is lostlogic / brandon? 23.21.46 # oh, never mind. 23.21.51 # ah but Zagor left before so he's not physically here 23.22.28 # who's the guy with the lollipop? 23.22.51 # lostlogic I think... 23.23.06 # according to the who's who image, that's not him 23.23.07 # reload the page for updated whoswho image 23.23.12 # ok 23.23.19 # thanks 23.24.19 # afruff23_: firmware selection is done at boot time 23.24.32 # I understood 23.24.42 # from mikachu 23.25.17 # hmz... I've missed Cassandra / Christi and lostlogic / Brandon 23.25.37 # and they both hide outside of the camera range 23.25.38 # ghehe 23.25.47 # don't forget to take a groupshot with a camera tomorrow 23.26.07 # i don't see any beer! 23.26.08 # no 23.26.12 # no lolipop here 23.26.15 # ah ok 23.26.22 # then it's [IDC]Dragon 23.26.32 # that's beer! 23.26.34 # and Daniel has a beer 23.26.42 # lostlogic: time to wave ;) 23.26.48 # t0mas, best# place for me if you ask me. 23.26.56 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (n=Steve-O@66-169-186-124.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 23.27.15 # hidden perfectly behind Bjorns screen... 23.30.27 # how many versions of the rockbox firmware will there be for the X5? 23.30.40 # what do you mean by versions? 23.30.47 # I'm asking because fot he differnt X5's 23.30.51 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=c10f1757@labb.contactor.se) 23.30.54 # oh, didn't know there were different ones 23.30.59 # they are all the same 23.31.02 # X5L, X5, 60 gb, X5V 23.31.04 # it will be the same for all versions 23.31.17 # <[IDC]Dragon> phew, I'm set up 23.31.19 # But X5V doesn't support radio 23.31.29 # and 60 gb has a 2 platter drive 23.31.37 # [IDC]Dragon: using the web irc client? 23.31.47 # * [IDC]Dragon changes to firefox 23.32.01 Part [IDC]Dragon 23.32.15 # hmm..I didn;t know firefox was an IRC client 23.32.33 # I sue firefox for browsing already 23.32.36 # use* 23.32.41 # t0mas: why am I waving? 23.32.50 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=c10f1757@labb.contactor.se) 23.33.02 # because I didn't see it ;) 23.33.14 # maybe it will be time to merge emacs and firefox soon 23.33.16 # * t0mas wanted to see who you are :) 23.36.16 Quit webguest18 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.38.22 # Mikachu: emacs already has a web browser: http://savannah.gnu.org/projects/w3/ 23.38.50 # yeah, and firefox/mozilla has irc, that's why i thought they should merge :) 23.39.08 # did christi suddenly become very large? 23.39.17 # eh, just merge every open source project into one... 23.39.30 # i don't know why i said that 23.39.42 # it was also a jokoe 23.39.49 # sharpe: Wouldn't that include mixing emacs and vi? 23.40.01 # Paul_The_Nerd: that would make the world implode 23.40.10 # At the *very* least 23.40.12 # yeah, just leave them in the room alone, they'll battle it out. 23.42.22 # One of you with Photoshop should replace the Rockbox logo .bmp with a special limited-edition Devcon one for the duration of the weekend. 23.42.40 # Google-like? 23.42.44 # Exactly 23.43.26 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.59 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/rockboxlogo.mikachu.png is the one i use :) 23.45.15 # i didn't spend an awful lot of time on it 23.46.28 # Paul_The_Nerd, that sounds fun! :) *starts photoshop* 23.46.45 # I have an artist friend who's going to create me one (well, create herself one, but I get to use it too) just as soon as I flash the H120 I persuaded her to buy off ebay when she was seeking an MP3 player 23.47.41 # is it jsut me or did iRiver mes up on the H10 23.47.46 # they took away many features 23.47.49 # just* 23.48.12 # From a business perspective they probably didn't mess it up very much. 23.48.14 # http://www.weblogsinc.com/common/images/6179743542028408.JPG?0.5776242015561165 cute :) 23.48.22 # afruff23_, what? 23.48.25 # It sells well for them, it probably costs them less to manufacture, etc. 23.48.28 # I assume that they had to rewrite their firmware from scratch when they switched to PortalPlayer. 23.48.41 # Probably just using off-the-shelf modules from PP. 23.49.06 # The H10 has some key features missing that were present in older models 23.49.26 # the US version especially suffered(with no UMS) 23.50.37 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@66-169-126-180.dhcp.ftwo.tx.charter.com) 23.51.12 # can somebody find a link about FM radio in Europe and the tax on them? 23.51.17 # I can't find one 23.52.07 Join webguest69 [0] (n=51400b8c@labb.contactor.se) 23.52.12 # tax? 23.52.32 # That's why iAudio made the X5V with no fm radio 23.52.37 # LinusN: sorry crappy conection :( 23.52.52 # so more people could afford the X5 23.53.07 # LinusN: what's about the usb handling 23.53.09 # tax, licensing fee, something like that 23.53.42 # it's important for one bootloader, are you working on it by any luck ? 23.53.52 # @LinusN 23.55.03 # the x5 loader will not have usb mode 23.55.30 # because the cowon loader has it already 23.56.19 # So does this mean I don't have to change any options before attaching it to the computer? I could jsut turn it off and connect it to the computer? 23.56.19 Quit aegray (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.56.22 # just* 23.56.42 # LinusN: not impoortant , right? 23.57.19 # afruff23_: Who told you that iaudio excluded fm radio for tax reasons? 23.57.25 # I'm refering to the Wiki page saying usb handling 0% 23.57.52 # and missing too to power management -- in what way? 23.58.10 # the X5 with fm radio exists in the EU but it is a ridiculous amount more xpensive than the X5V(no FM) version 23.58.22 # still @ LinusN :) 23.58.40 Join aegray [0] (n=aegray@12-210-86-210.client.insightBB.com)