--- Log for 19.03.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 19 minutes and 39 seconds ago 00.00.03 # OK 00.00.08 # afruff23: Doom was not a sidescrolling game. 00.00.15 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders what part of "Doom" is confusing. 00.00.16 # It's jsut it's ahrd for me to imagine palying doom on anano 00.00.21 # isn't the processor of the x5 to slow for 3d scenes? 00.00.27 # with so little buttons 00.00.39 # Phr3ak: Doom ran on a 386 at 20mhz. 00.00.51 # It's just hard fro me to imagine playing doom on a nano?* 00.01.03 # the web cam appears to be down 00.01.04 Join webguest99 [0] (n=18d79bd6@labb.contactor.se) 00.01.09 # afruff23: Yeah, but why on Earth would we call it "Doom" if it was a sidescrolling game? 00.01.31 # oh yeah sry... for me it was just hard to imagine 00.01.34 Join centos [0] (n=d52fb1eb@labb.contactor.se) 00.01.41 # leftright: yeah it turned midnight so the crappy software now writes to a new directory... /me fix 00.01.49 Quit webguest99 (Client Quit) 00.01.58 # ah, thanks 00.01.59 # because the x5 isn't even able to play music and show pictures at the same time... 00.02.02 # afruff23: The Nano's screen actually is more pixels than the X5 if I recall 00.02.19 # PhR3aK: The X5 isn't, or the default firmware isn't? ;-) 00.02.20 # that's now what it's ahrd to imagine 00.02.29 # It's because of the number of buttons 00.02.50 # hm... ok, could be a firmware limitation too ;) 00.02.50 # afruff23: Turn left/right, move forward, fire, and open, are the only buttons *necessary* to play Doom. 00.02.57 # how about comitting this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2616 would be a cool feature for the dailys and extends funtionality of the wps. 00.03.00 # change weapon? 00.03.18 # afruff23: If you have autoswitch enabled, it's not *necessary* though it is welcome (and that's what the spare button is used for) 00.03.34 # maybee prees a botton longer, to swich weapon? 00.03.43 # was there jump in doom 1? 00.03.45 # Nope 00.03.46 # I forgot 00.04.06 # LinusN, any thoughts on the playlist catalog patch ? 00.04.17 # PhR3ak: There's already a weapon switch button. I was just listing off the bare minimum. Actually, you could even get away without a move forward by hard-coding forward, though that would be awkward to play 00.04.29 # leftright: i haven't given it any more thought 00.04.32 # * amiconn has scary stuff pending... 00.04.35 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Oe140.o.pppool.de) 00.04.38 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 00.04.41 # amiconn: "Scary"? 00.04.46 # boo 00.04.55 # strafing? 00.04.55 # * Paul_The_Nerd jumps 00.04.56 # Yes. asm-optimised ata writing... 00.05.00 # :) 00.05.03 # sign me up! 00.05.20 # amiconn any news about the ata timings ? 00.05.26 # hello, back and still downloading packages :) 00.05.31 # paul, what about strafing? 00.05.33 # afruff23: Not necessary. Many people played the original Doom without even knowing that strafing existed. But it's possible on ones with more buttons than an iPod, and probably will be on the ipod if/when the scrollwheel is used for turning 00.06.06 # hm, maby a silly thought, but could you be able to listen to music while playing? *would be cool* 00.06.22 # playing games 00.06.31 # Most games yes... Doom is iffy though 00.07.00 # sry im german... what means "iffy"? 00.07.05 # Not likely 00.07.12 # thx 00.07.18 # Wouldn't doom take a lot of space % wise especially for a nano? 00.07.19 # isn't actually a word either... 00.07.25 # damn 00.07.26 # it is. 00.07.27 # afruff23: What... 14mb? 00.07.33 # ^^ 00.07.48 # sharpe: Wow... It *shouldn't* be a word 00.07.59 # lostlogic: I just saw you have closed the task about scrollwheel acceleration in the tracker. But I can't live without it :( 00.08.02 # Oh, that's small. Does it have all the levels? 00.08.04 # on a 4gb nano 14 mb is .34% 00.08.15 # afruff23: It uses whatever doom .wad file(s) you already have. 00.08.21 # I have just loaded the clean cvs build and the wheel is unusable for me... 00.08.24 # afruff23: Doom 2 was ~12.9mb if I recall 00.08.31 # i just so happen to legally have all of the wads, so yay me! 00.09.15 # sharpe: I actually own 2 legal copies of each of the doom wads except Doom 1 (I only have one of it... two of final doom though, so it doesn't really matter). They just kept coming with things... like the special edition of Doom 3 on Xbox 00.09.27 # heh... yeah... 00.09.31 # are there any screens of rockbox in action, on a color display? 00.09.34 # si 00.09.53 # PhR3aK: Have you looked at the WpsGallery wiki page? 00.10.01 # no... 00.10.04 # Try there 00.10.06 # towards the bottom 00.10.12 # k, thx 00.10.17 # The /screenshots/ page is a bit outdated 00.10.22 # wps.abondar.de some screen dumps of h300 00.10.38 # what should i do...? anyone? 00.11.17 # amiconn: Did your commit fix the ATA read bug? 00.11.19 # i've got nothing to work on :( 00.11.28 # webguest28: yes 00.11.35 # \o/ 00.11.41 # so I have to own a copy of doom to put it on the player? 00.11.49 # herz42: and the new stuff I committed isn't good as well? 00.11.49 # legally, yes. 00.12.00 # unless you use the shareware wads... 00.12.12 # herz42: I'm not comfortable committing acceleration as an always on the way I had it... too 'personal' 00.12.26 # would the shareware wads be any different 00.12.29 # I believe there are free wads as well 00.12.41 # afruff23: Well, the shareware wad is just the first episode 00.12.47 # yeh, you'd only get the first episode 'knee deep in the dead' 00.12.59 # afruff23: There's also Freedoom, which is a complete replacement for Doom 2. 00.13.22 # lostlogic: Curse you for making me edit my personal .diff again. :-P 00.13.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: what diff is that? Does it belong in CVS? 00.13.48 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 00.13.57 # lostlogic: No, it's just my compilation of "patches that I like" that included acceleration. 00.14.21 # lostlogic: the wheel reacts too fast - and the first movement is to the wrong direction often 00.14.47 # nite 00.14.48 Quit Bger ("BitchX: the Cadillac of all clients") 00.14.51 # Paul, do you have the multifont patch in your build ? 00.14.52 # ahah, another idea! 00.15.11 # wait, nevermind... 00.15.34 # why is there already a screen of an x5 interface? is the developement so far? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/thomasv1.png 00.15.42 # lostlogic: did you think about including something like my BUTTON_REPEAT feature? 00.15.49 # leftright: I have no interest in the multifont patch. Primarily it's Doom, several other game plugins (Blackjack, Bubbles), the USB goes into Apple OS instead of hardware disk for iPod, and I enabled battery state showing. 00.15.51 # herz42: link me 00.16.01 # awww... proposed feature : "One image file WPSes (using tar files)" 00.16.08 # Phr3ak: You can make WPSes for the X5 using the Simulator 00.16.09 # lostlogic: ?? 00.16.11 # oh, I remember 00.16.33 # ok... thanks man 00.17.03 Quit B4gder (Remote closed the connection) 00.17.09 # PhR3aK: The While Playing Screen is very customizable, and easy to create your own as long as you can create the .bmps you need 00.17.28 Quit ender` (" Want to be different? HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 00.17.36 # any beta testers for the vmware image? 00.17.49 # lostlogic: together with acceleration, that worked fine to make it stop at the end of a list 00.17.56 # not bad... and is rockbox easy to translate in other languages? 00.18.01 # hubbel: which vmware image? 00.18.08 # hubbel: I'll give it a shot, url? 00.18.16 # Phr3ak: You might want to check to see if the language you want isn't already done. 00.18.36 # what is vmware? 00.18.39 # where can i check this? 00.18.44 # is it differnet from firmware 00.18.54 # afruff23: it's virtualisation software that lets you run other os' at very near full speed 00.18.57 # herz42: ah, yes, lemme see what I can do with that 00.18.57 # in a different os 00.19.03 # Phr3ak: http://www.rockbox.org/lang/ 00.19.03 # so like, linux under windows, or vice versa 00.19.12 # like virtualPC? 00.19.15 # crashd: its a vmware image with debian with rockbox development environment configured and ready to go.. 00.19.17 # yeah 00.19.21 # hubbel: ahh, fair dela 00.19.27 # or if you want to be cool, linux under windows under linux under qemu. 00.19.44 # and so on, and so forth 00.19.45 # great, german is already aviable, man im even more excited about rockbox now :) 00.19.47 # hubbel: I'll try it. 00.19.56 # i suppose i'll try it too... 00.20.06 Nick webguest28 is now known as pench (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 00.20.21 # he hath been given a name! 00.20.21 Join x1jmp [0] (n=x1jmp@p549F09EB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 00.20.23 # lostlogic: I have to admit that I didn't integrated it so nicely. Just the functionality is neat. 00.20.26 # hum.. it's a 100mb zip.. any suggestions where to upload it? 00.20.42 # bittorrent maybe? 00.21.01 # That's not really a "where" :-P 00.21.11 # suggestion for downloadage? 00.21.19 # herz42: yo uactually made me find some bugs in what I committed today, I will fix that and probably add repeat. 00.21.22 # torrent is probably the easiest 00.21.34 Quit afruff23 ("IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000") 00.21.35 # twould probably be faster... 00.21.37 # can you share a file with torrent if you're behind NAT ? 00.21.38 # too 00.21.41 # yes 00.21.46 # maybe 00.22.10 # i don't know anymore... i just have this comp as the dmz host... 00.22.44 # hmph, lied, not a bug, just minor waste of instructions for _non_ wheel button interrupts. 00.22.50 # "I have four words for ya: I...love...this...firmware ...yessssssss!" ~ Steve Ballmer 00.23.19 # afruff: got icq? 00.23.39 # what does "crossfeed"? 00.23.44 # hubbel: here is a list of free file hosting services: http://www.jdempsey.com/2005/12/08/free-online-file-storagesending/ 00.24.10 # it's in the rockbox sound settings 00.24.14 # omg its so late, i didnt saw that he's already off :P 00.25.27 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@69-175-94-207.frdrmd.adelphia.net) 00.26.18 # x1jmp, http://www.headphone.com/products/faqs/about-headroom-crossfeed/fixing-headphones-with-electronics/ 00.27.03 # Yeesh, I remember when I first used Rockbox, a WPS would be like... 10 lines or less... 00.27.29 # thx 00.27.41 # lostlogic: do you know what exactly (status & 0x40000000) checks for in the btn irq? 00.28.31 Quit bluebrother^ ("Leaving") 00.29.37 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.30.00 # I'm uploading to lostlogic's server now.. only 2h left :) 00.30.23 # Bagder: why did you leave CategoryFrontpage on ThingsTodo? 00.31.54 # lostlogic: as the cursor already moves one line when just contacting the wheel, I asume that old_wheel_value is not reset to -1. If the new_wheel_value is not valid if bit30 is zero, wheel_delta will probably be not zero in the elseif case. 00.32.25 Quit LinusN (Remote closed the connection) 00.34.24 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.35.10 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 00.37.13 # bed time :/ 00.37.15 # later 00.37.43 Part leftright 00.39.58 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@dhcp87.contactor.se) 00.40.16 # B4gder: why did you leave CategoryFrontpage on ThingsTodo? 00.40.49 # I don't know 00.41.01 # I just scrapped a lot of old things and some got left 00.41.06 # Ah 00.41.17 # should be removed too of course 00.41.37 # Wondered if you wanted it to be rebuilt or something 00.42.02 # I removed all old entries and found that there was none leeft, and then I decided to kill the whole page 00.45.05 # bye, and thx too Paul_The_Nerd 00.45.31 # I try to be helpful. :) 00.45.37 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 00.45.40 # herz42: I did a bunch of debugging and found that to detect 'end of scroll' is done by getting a bit 30 set interrupt and a bit 30 unset interrupt sequentially with the same position 00.46.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: and you are very successful on it 00.46.14 # youve definive been ;) 00.46.25 # herz42: still working on it more, didn't realize the issues I'd introduced. Also doing your repeat feature. 00.46.28 # yeah exactly davinci ;) 00.46.38 # bye 00.46.47 Quit PhR3aK ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 00.46.59 # lostlogic: but is your ipod also scrolling one line (to random direction) when you touch the wheel? 00.47.32 # herz42: hadn't checked, but it doesn't surprise, I'm sure I made a mistake in detecting end of scroll. 00.47.48 # which would cause it to scroll relative to your last touch when you resume touching 00.48.05 # yes, that's how it looks 00.48.37 # although it's somehow more like random direction :) 00.48.47 # hehe, nod 00.49.52 # * pench looks at http://www.rockbox.org/download/rockbox-2.5-notes.txt and is surprised by a stray y on a line of its own 00.50.11 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.50.12 # completely irrelevant of course 00.55.23 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 00.56.47 # hey LinusN 00.56.56 # B4gder: coding late ;) 00.57.11 # veeery efficient now :-) 00.57.17 # lol 00.57.22 # you look like it :P 00.57.27 # this big brother thing is funny man 00.57.43 # lol 00.57.45 # can't you get Contractor to put webcams in your and Linus' office? 00.58.09 # we'll supervise linus from now on, the cam is here and we have no other usee for it :-) 01.01.18 # haha 01.01.27 Quit centos ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.01.57 # herz42: My code is essentially correct to detect wheel release... but if the last interrupt before release didn't trigger a wheel scroll event it doesn't work. 01.02.02 # bah 01.02.41 Join Mongey [0] (n=Mongeyc@83.71.0.254) 01.02.56 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-67-198.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.05.23 # lostlogic: just to follow - if queue is not empty, old_wheel_value is not updated and then wheel_delta becomes != 0 on release? 01.08.21 Join Mong [0] (n=Mongeyc@83.71.0.254) 01.09.41 Quit Mongey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.11.07 # hubbel: Did you finish uploading the file? 01.13.11 # herz42: basically yeah 01.13.30 # herz42: *sigh* I'm going to have to use more statics to solve this I believe :( 01.13.35 # well one omre 01.14.06 Quit LinusN (Remote closed the connection) 01.14.12 # lostlogic: I have just tried to omit the wheel_delta==0 check. What are the drawbacks? 01.15.29 # herz42: just extra ram accesses... that's actually a good point, perhaps doing extra work on other buttons is a better solution than doing less extra work and being more correct on wheel accesses. 01.15.33 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 01.17.21 Join Mongey [0] (n=Mongeyc@83.71.0.254) 01.18.25 # . . . . . 01.18.25 Quit Mongey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.18.49 Join Mongey [0] (n=Mongeyc@83.71.0.254) 01.18.55 # for i=0 to 5 print "." ? 01.19.07 # lostlogic: I just didn't get why you can't always reset old_wheel_value if bit30==0 01.19.07 # What are you reading Linus? 01.19.44 # pcf50606 data sheet 01.19.45 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.19.48 # herz42: you can -- just inefficient 01.19.58 # herz42: wastes two memory accesses every button press that isn't a wheel 01.20.06 # which is ofcourse a small percentage of all button accesses 01.20.07 Quit Mongey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.20.09 # it is like a novell to him I guess.... ;p 01.20.35 # XavierGr: read it several times myself 01.20.36 # ;) 01.20.52 # (the butler did it!) 01.21.09 # Then, when are you going to write to us what you learnt? 01.21.18 # (code perhaps?) 01.21.55 # XavierGr: turned out I was reading it for the wrong player at the time 01.22.04 # but I've used it to help me improving the i2c and adc drivers for ipod. 01.22.05 # hahaha 01.22.18 # XavierGr: the h3x0 doesn't use the pcf50606 to charge, I thought it did at the time 01.22.22 # lostlogic what daps do you have? 01.22.24 # apparently the iAudio does 01.22.28 # ipod and H300? 01.22.32 # I have two broken H3x0s and a broken archos player 01.22.36 # and an ipod 5g 01.22.50 # two broken H300's? 01.22.57 # 2 broken H300s? Why is that? 01.22.58 # why two? and how broken? 01.23.02 # :( 01.23.12 # it has echo here 01.23.13 # because I'm a failure at life. 01.23.29 # that breaks H300's? 01.23.32 # power fried or? 01.23.38 # that's why he fits among us ;-) 01.23.39 # Good thing I don't own one then. 01.23.48 # * t0mas keeps his iriver away from his sister :P 01.23.49 Join Mongey [0] (n=Mongeyc@83.71.0.254) 01.23.52 # haha, I just have skills... fried one with a bad power adapter and one with a clumsy soldering hand 01.24.12 # not possible to merge them into one working? 01.24.21 # is the devcon still on? 01.24.25 # hehe 01.24.46 # Mikachu: no the fried components are too hard to solder to each other's boards 01.24.54 # too bad.. 01.25.05 # send them both to iriver ;) 01.25.16 # "Hey, they both stopped working at the same time, is it a virus???" 01.25.17 # * amiconn is doing stupid things he isn't supposed to do 01.25.21 # act like a n00b 01.25.27 # maybe they'll replace/fix it 01.25.36 # yeah, I don't know if you get them back though (even if they accept to repair them) 01.25.39 # amiconn: Stupid... or advaaaanced? 01.25.55 # t0mas: because all n00bs have 2 broken H3x0s, 1 intl and 1 us that have obviously been taken apart ;) 01.26.01 # advanced stupidity... 01.26.15 # lostlogic: tell them your friend tried to fix them 01.26.17 # I sent my defective (new) H300. I got it back still broken. I sent it over again and I am still waiting. 01.26.33 # Spent 450euros on a player that I don't have for 2 months 01.26.54 # XavierGr: send them a letter... 01.27.05 # demand a working player etc 01.27.37 # well I called them and at last the guy I talked said to me that he will send it back. 01.28.02 # Now Let's see of they fixed it.... (he told me they did, but I ma not sure until I test it) 01.28.29 # lostlogic: three flaws I have noticed in the charger/usb handling: 01.28.40 # http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/rockbox-dev-1.rar 01.29.02 # vmware image? 01.29.06 # correct 01.29.11 # 1. backlight timeout is not updated after usb unplug -> stays on forever if it's static on when powered 01.29.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 01.29.29 # herz42: ah, that_is_ a bug 01.30.07 # herz42: in other news, I think I've made the button stuff do what you basically desire 01.30.10 # 2. the debug runtime is not reset for power over usb 01.30.20 # debug runtime? 01.30.21 # hubbel: why not 7zip? 01.30.21 # whadat? 01.30.38 # pench: i like rar 01.30.42 # yah, some unimportant item in the dev menu 01.31.03 # rar has no full Free implementation :-\ 01.31.12 # And is inferior to 7zip afaik 01.31.18 # herz42: and 3? 01.31.27 # Anyway, downloading as I speak 01.31.55 # 7zip is amazingly good in fact 01.32.02 # at compressing 01.32.08 # 3. with your latest changes, my ipod has switched to pause mode and immediately back occasionally when connected to the charger 01.32.11 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.33.01 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=dc76eb0a@labb.contactor.se) 01.33.06 # hi 01.33.19 Quit [IDC]Dragon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.33.22 # I tried JdGordon's coLinux image but I failed miserably. I can't guide myself there with out a basic GUI to make it see my network connection. I quit my attemp as soon as a realised that there was no cut and paste in the coLinux console 01.33.36 # that happened 3 or 4 times now, but eg. not at all in the last two hrs. so it's hard to find out what causes it. Maybe the dock connected bit is not as stable as the external power bit (that I had chacked before). 01.34.08 # herz42: didn't I change to the external power bit? 01.34.44 # I think it's the 'dock' bit (the last time I looked at it) 01.35.34 Quit Mong (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.35.51 # lostlogic: I like your server. It took me less time to download the .rar than it did to install VMWare 01.36.05 # no fair 01.36.07 Quit lodesi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.36.10 # what? 01.36.15 # lostlogic: just checked. It seems to be the correct ext pwr bit now 01.36.20 # ETA 39:08 says wget 01.36.29 # 100mbytes file less time to download that install a program? 01.36.34 # pench: Took me about 5 minutes. 01.36.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: I hate you! 01.36.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I have a small pen^W^Wslow connection 01.37.12 # Hahaha 01.37.12 # who told me that he has 100mbit for 10 pounsd? I hate him too! 01.37.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: I like my server too, good to get some use from it for the $90USD I pay for it. 01.38.03 # lostlogic: Is that monthly? 01.38.08 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes 01.38.12 # and the bandwidth? 01.38.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: root server 01.39.29 # Be back. VMWare demands I reboot 01.39.43 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 01.40.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.40.57 # oh yes... 01.41.04 # that sucks, the vmware setup 01.41.14 # it doesn't ask like "reboot now?" yes/no 01.41.21 # Oh, haha 01.41.23 # Hate those 01.41.23 # it just states something like "click next to reboot" 01.41.38 # and what's the thing you click by default in a wizard? 01.42.52 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.43.23 # wb 01.43.34 # Now to try this little thing out 01.43.45 # herz42: ok, fixing the button and the first two power things, the last is going to have to wait ;) 01.43.46 # Still 70% left here 01.44.06 # herz42: you're going to have to tell me how the performance of the buttons compares between current CVS and what I'm about to commit. 01.44.21 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.44.26 # lostlogic: I'll observe it :) 01.44.47 # the button behaviour too... 01.45.28 # lostlogic: terrible shot: http://tomas.salfischberger.nl/dump/shot.jpg 01.45.57 # (No, I'm not bored... productivity isn't < 0) 01.46.27 # I'm itchy, give me a break :-P 01.46.48 # t0mas: hehhh he is currently fixing my problems. That's a hard task to do ;) 01.46.48 # herz42: hmm... brief discussoin here at devcon kinda says against the button_repeat change :( :-\ 01.46.59 # it doesn't matter to me personally, so ... 01.47.30 # Can I use the linux on the h300? 01.47.32 # ok, if only the button handling allows a patch it's ok for me... 01.47.36 # It's possible? 01.47.38 # where is [IDC}Dragon, Christi and Zagor? 01.47.40 # Jungti1234: ipodlinux 01.47.43 # ^are 01.47.45 # see #ipodlinux 01.47.46 # christi is hiding behind a monitor 01.47.50 # and the other two are sleeping 01.47.54 # Man, I always forgot that I don't have a floppy on this laptop 01.48.30 # Also, the "cvs login" step in the page seems to be unnecessary 01.48.36 # t0mas: now I use the webirc 01.48.38 # Apparently the image was built after a login. 01.48.51 # Jungti1234: you can still type /join #ipodlinux 01.49.02 # no. 01.49.09 # no?? 01.49.11 # *** Access to channel #ipodlinux is blocked 01.49.18 # oh, we should change that... 01.49.23 # ok 01.49.28 Quit x1jmp (Remote closed the connection) 01.49.49 # wait a moment, lets see if I can... and ask if I'm allowed to... 01.49.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: What sort or image is it? I mean what distro? 01.50.13 # iriverlinux :-S 01.51.04 # hehe 01.51.06 # XavierGr: Debian. 01.51.14 # Man, definitely builds faster. 01.51.17 # hmm.. bye 01.51.28 Quit Jungti1234 ("CGI:IRC") 01.51.30 # Does i has a GUI? 01.52.07 # ^it 01.52.13 # XavierGr: It doesn't boot into one. I didn't check if there was one installed, but I don't think so 01.52.14 # XavierGr: no, its a minimal debian installation.. no gui 01.52.30 Join webguest12 [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 01.52.44 # copy paste between windows OS then? 01.52.49 # You can install one if you like, but for Rockbox dev, I don't see why 01.53.01 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.53.15 # ah, copy/paste, I do believe the vmware player allows this, yes 01.53.59 # B4gder? 01.54.14 # pench: copy/paste is supported if you install vmware tools between windows <-> windows .. dont know about linux <-> windows copy/paste 01.54.17 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.54.25 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-210.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.54.33 # the cgi irc client... it doesn't allow joining #ipodlinux 01.54.41 # hubbel: ah, okay 01.54.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: cygwin is running now :D 01.54.45 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-146-188.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.54.56 # and it's somewhere in a dir I can't access... 01.55.07 # davinci: Good, good 01.55.18 # (/etc/cgiirc/cgiirc.config is the config file) 01.55.26 # so you'll have to edit it :) 01.55.28 # Paul_The_Nerd: Can you make a time comparison between cygwin and vmware? 01.55.30 # t0mas: You should probably ask in #ipl before allowing it as well 01.55.39 # yeah, I will 01.55.39 Quit webguest12 (Client Quit) 01.55.50 # XavierGr: Not yet, as I have several patches on my normal Cygwin build that add significant time. 01.55.59 # XavierGr: But I would *guess* that it takes about half the time 01.56.15 # amiconn did such a comparison 01.56.29 # amiconn? 01.56.41 # He's busy, it seems :D 01.56.44 # do you remember the results? 01.56.58 # More or less what Paul said, iirc 01.57.02 Join webguest30 [0] (n=503c08d1@labb.contactor.se) 01.57.10 # Yeah, i think it was ~8 minute and ~3 minutes? 01.57.14 # Or was that something else? 01.57.38 # wow 01.57.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: where should unpacked files be placed? 01.58.03 Quit webguest30 (Client Quit) 01.58.43 # davinci: The unpacked rockbox source files can go wherever you want them to. The important thing is just to be able to remember where they are, and easily cd to it 01.59.56 # * Paul_The_Nerd stumbles across a minor problem. 02.00.04 # Can I access files in the virtual drive from windows somehow? 02.00.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform says yes 02.00.26 # towards the bottom 02.00.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform#File_sharing specifically 02.00.45 # cygwin is starting in /usr/bin. Those folders are the ones in the cygwin directory, right? So I have to place unziped files in the "linux" directory, and not just anywhere on hard drive 02.00.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: yep.. there's a file share on the image 02.01.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: lookup the ip it has.. and use \\ip\user 02.01.32 # davinci: You can place it anywhere. If you put it in C:\RockSrc\ then in Cygwin you could type "cd c:/RockSrc/" (note the /s not \s) and get to it 02.01.43 # does VMware support linux -> windows dir sharing? 02.01.47 # or only windows -> windows ? 02.02.16 # nothing should stop you from installing samba in the linux client 02.02.18 # t0mas: do you mean linux -> windows as linux as the virtual or host operating system? 02.02.26 # What means "Go back to C:\Rockbox\ and double click on _RockBox.bat" in http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling ? 02.02.29 # windows host, linux guest 02.02.36 # as that's the system we're putting up now right? 02.02.48 # t0mas: it's just using samba in the guest, nothing vmware related 02.02.54 # I saw that file only in the DevKit... 02.02.56 # t0mas: sure.. if you install vmware tools on linux guest (but it is a little hassle) 02.02.58 # yes, I know it's like that now 02.03.00 # that's why I asked 02.03.07 # ah 02.03.12 # maybe that might be a good idea to install? 02.03.19 # no need to lookup the ip then etc... 02.03.20 # The player doesn't allow any of them, I believe 02.03.27 # free player 02.03.31 # ah ok 02.03.34 # never used the player 02.04.32 # davinci: That step isn't done 02.05.31 # davinci: That should just say "Run Cygwin" and you should skip to Configuring Build (if you've already CD to where your source is extracted) 02.08.47 Quit Kohlriba ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 02.09.46 # B4gder? 02.09.52 # are you playing with my buildtable? :) 02.09.54 # yessir! 02.09.58 # I am 02.10.01 # ah, I was at the same time 02.10.03 # good timing 02.10.08 # hehe 02.10.23 # you found the server header I added? 02.10.24 # I have a new column coming up 02.10.34 # t0mas: its already displayed in the showlog script 02.10.38 # yes 02.10.41 # I saw 02.11.22 # check the table now 02.11.26 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.11.26 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.11.26 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.11.26 DBUG Enqueued KICK davinci 02.11.26 # bash-3.00$ 02.11.38 # B4gder: you already added that a few minutes ago... 02.11.50 # but it looked awful when clicking 02.11.58 # work in progress 02.12.04 # I made this with a separate script 02.12.08 # ah ok 02.12.17 # so when the builds trigger, it overrides my temporary work 02.12.19 # well... set a nice background color, and done 02.12.48 # herz42: if you build your own, cvs up and try this button driver ;) 02.12.48 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 02.12.48 # * t0mas wonders why lostlogic's server is that slow... 02.12.58 # t0mas: my server is slow? 02.13.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-03-19%2001:02:04.html 02.13.07 # transfer or build 02.13.13 # lostlogic: I'll do 02.13.14 # I think the build... 02.13.18 Join clsk [0] (n=clsk@unaffiliated/clsk) 02.13.19 # can't see from there 02.13.36 # but it has a really lot of bandwidth... 02.13.44 # hmm... lemme check something 02.13.45 # * pench runs the vm 02.13.47 # hm, I could extend this to actually measure build times 02.13.56 # per build server I mean 02.14.09 # Ummm 02.14.15 # Minor problem with the VMWare thing: 02.14.16 # t0mas: because my stupid backup script keeps being hanging 02.14.17 # Lack of "patch" 02.14.18 # yes, shall I output that to the logs? 02.14.23 # lostlogic: ok 02.14.24 # I'm going to have to disable it till I get home and have time to fight with it 02.14.31 # B4gder: I can print build time per build to the log 02.14.40 # Minor problem with the VMWare thing: It's not accepting keyboard input :-o 02.14.45 # t0mas: ah true, that could be neat 02.14.51 # hubbel: It seems you forgot to include patch, I think 02.14.57 # and I'll put it in the summary somehow 02.15.11 # my jaw... pops... a lot... 02.15.45 # B4gder: for this to be usefull we need build and transfere time... 02.15.59 # * pench wonders what on earth is wrong with vmware 02.16.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: any ideas what's wrong now? 02.16.22 # davinci: What problem are you having? 02.16.34 # t0mas: if we start with build time it might still show good numbers 02.16.36 # pench: Alt+G? 02.16.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: did that 02.16.49 # B4gder: build only that is? 02.16.51 # or total? 02.16.59 # pench: =/ It works for me. 02.17.05 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.17.05 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.17.05 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.17.12 # build only is more interesting to start with I think 02.17.12 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.17.12 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.17.12 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.17.18 # Yeah, it's strange.. 02.17.36 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.17.36 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.17.36 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.17.41 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.17.41 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.17.41 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.17.44 Quit Mongey () 02.17.48 # davinci: You don't need to paste it more than once... 02.18.06 # probably he has tried four times ;) 02.18.10 # davinci: I really don't know about that one. That's outside my familiarity. 02.18.13 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.18.14 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.18.14 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.18.14 # bash-3.00$ dirs 02.18.14 *** Alert Mode level 1 02.18.14 # /cygdrive/c/rb/rockbox-daily-20060317/build 02.18.15 *** Alert Mode level 2 02.18.15 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.18.16 *** Alert Mode level 3 02.18.16 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.18.18 # bash-3.00$ cd ../tools/configure 02.18.20 # bash: cd: ../tools/configure: Not a directory 02.18.22 # bash-3.00$ cd ../tools 02.18.24 # bash-3.00$ configure 02.18.26 # bash: configure: command not found 02.18.28 # bash-3.00$ dirs 02.18.30 # /cygdrive/c/rb/rockbox-daily-20060317/tools 02.18.31 # pppppllleeeeasseeee 02.18.32 # bash-3.00$ configure 02.18.34 # bash: configure: command not found 02.18.34 # Madness... 02.18.35 # that's a lot of trys... 02.18.36 # bash-3.00$ 02.18.38 # bash-3.00$ cd build 02.18.40 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.18.42 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.18.44 # bash-3.00$ dirs 02.18.44 # hehe, that commands don't work on irq... 02.18.46 # /cygdrive/c/rb/rockbox-daily-20060317/build 02.18.48 # bash-3.00$ ../tools/configure 02.18.50 # bash: ../tools/configure: /bin/sh: bad interpreter: No such file or directory 02.18.52 # bash-3.00$ cd ../tools/configure 02.18.53 # reminds me of the energizer battery... 02.18.54 # bash: cd: ../tools/configure: Not a directory 02.18.56 # bash-3.00$ cd ../tools 02.18.56 # s/irq/irc/ 02.18.57 Mode "#RockBox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 02.18.58 # bash-3.00$ configure 02.18.59 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.19.00 # bash: configure: command not found 02.19.02 # bash-3.00$ dirs 02.19.04 # /cygdrive/c/rb/rockbox-daily-20060317/tools 02.19.06 # bash-3.00$ configure 02.19.06 # HEY 02.19.08 # bash: configure: command not found 02.19.10 # i go to sleep now :) 02.19.10 # bash-3.00$ 02.19.12 # SORRY 02.19.14 Kick (#rockbox davinci :B4gder) by B4gder!n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder 02.19.14 *** Alert Mode level 4 02.19.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: working now after a restart.. strange 02.19.23 # Happy hacking rockbox dudes 02.19.23 Part clsk 02.19.36 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Oe140.o.pppool.de) 02.19.37 # good "night" :) 02.19.39 # Is there any alternative to "patch" that I should be using, or is it just oversite that it's not included? 02.19.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: missing 02.19.58 Part BoD[brb] ("(and by the way : you rule!!)") 02.20.07 # * pench apt-get installs patch 02.20.32 # yay Debian 02.20.42 # What's the deal with the USB power situation on H300? Like can it charge while plugged into USB? Or even better charge while acting as UMS? 02.20.46 # Aaah, apt-get *install* patch 02.20.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: try apt-get install patch 02.20.58 # apt-get moo 02.20.59 # hubbel: Just did that. :-P 02.21.15 # B4gder: sorry, I misunderstood a little bit what my irc program said... 02.22.07 # zzz 02.22.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: thank you for your help, I'll try it on my own. 02.22.30 # erp, keyboard issues 02.22.43 # Hrm 02.22.43 # good night @ all 02.22.45 # How do you change keyboard layout with Debian tools again? 02.22.55 # Apparently my files were modified 420 seconds in the future 02.23.01 # And because of that it won't built 02.23.15 # É see a lot of movement in Devcon ;p 02.23.42 Part davinci 02.24.00 # Paul_The_Nerd: touch -R . 02.24.25 # wooops 02.24.38 # this is going to be a long build if you commit something right now 02.27.41 # ok, switched to my updated script now as it seems to work 02.27.47 # * amiconn will go to sleep now 02.27.52 # sleeeeep 02.29.15 *** Alert Mode OFF 02.29.23 # 2 minutes to build a h120 build on a 1,3ghz laptop 02.29.45 Quit amiconn (" Like VS.net's GUI? Then try HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 02.29.50 # (in vmware under windows, that is) 02.30.10 # sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep 02.30.14 # goodnight Devcon! 02.30.17 Part LinusN 02.30.18 # Like VS.net's GUI? Then kindly stab your eyes with forks. :) 02.31.00 # what will be the goodnight show tonight? 02.31.33 Part hubbel 02.32.37 # B4gder? 02.32.45 # have a new night testing image for the cam? :) 02.33.03 # I think they will leave it just like it is :( 02.33.19 # Uh-oh 02.33.30 # zip not installed in the vmware image 02.33.32 # that's worse 02.34.31 # $ make zip 02.34.45 # xargs: zip: No such file or directory 02.34.49 # fade to black@ 02.36.28 # * t0mas stalks B4gder to get a better night image tomorrow :P 02.36.41 # oh noes 02.38.31 # You don't have to find your IP to use the vmware samba share - \\debian works 02.38.56 # well goodnight all! 02.39.03 # and happy Sunday! 02.42.52 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-165.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.47.39 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.48.59 # hubbel: (for the logs) You might want to add to your instructions, that to change keymap, run (as root) dpkg-reconfigure console-data 02.51.11 # hubbel: and maybe put stuff like that in /etc/motd so it's showed on login 02.51.17 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 02.55.21 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.06.22 # Is there some way to scroll up in a terminal like that? 03.08.21 # shift-pageup 03.08.31 # I swear I tried that 03.08.44 # =/ 03.10.14 # Know the feeling 03.10.39 # "That's what I just did... but now it works.." 03.10.42 # Hehehe 03.10.44 # Yeah 03.10.59 # Ah well, that solves all my problems then 03.11.22 # Nice, compiling z80.c really is amazingly taxing 03.11.27 # I've apt-get zip and patch, I've moved over my patches and extra source files, and my basic scripts, and it's all good. 03.11.51 # My whoe system just went *thump* when it hit z80.c 03.12.00 # a few minutes later, and everything's back to normal 03.12.16 # Eh, half a minute more like 03.12.18 # if that 03.12.24 # it *felt* like a few minutes 03.13.01 # Yeah 03.13.08 # z80.c is pretty hefty 03.13.32 # figures 03.14.58 Join webguest24 [0] (n=534349e3@labb.contactor.se) 03.16.17 Quit webguest24 (Client Quit) 03.17.44 # hey everyone... 03.27.43 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 03.28.02 # how's the .wps going 03.28.17 # huh? 03.29.04 # wasn't that you 03.29.12 # doing what? 03.29.34 Part Paul_The_Nerd 03.29.42 # the zip viewer 03.29.49 # yeah that was me... 03.30.27 # the zip viewer's okay, haven't worked on it at all since... it's pretty much all i can do with it already, and the wps zip package idea failed 03.33.22 Quit herz42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.33.43 # i'm somewhat out of stuff to do right now... 03.40.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.51.11 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.70 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 03.54.56 Quit bushwacka (Remote closed the connection) 03.57.31 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 03.57.44 # why is the webcam covered? 03.58.04 # they're doing stuff... 03.58.17 # what exactly? 03.58.23 # aren't they asleep 03.58.23 # couldn't tell you 03.58.29 # that's what i would think 03.58.38 # I HOPE they're asleep 04.01.46 # That's what they want us to think. 04.02.39 # yeah. in actuality, they're have a wild party... 04.05.21 # and they're not in sweden either. they're in antartica, living it up with those penguins. 04.19.50 Join felix_net [0] (n=felix_ne@c-69-250-75-214.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 04.21.56 Quit felix_net (Client Quit) 04.22.16 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-24-252.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 04.33.26 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzz?") 04.35.55 Join mnhnhyouh [0] (n=mnhnhyou@220-253-102-186.TAS.netspace.net.au) 04.36.24 # hey all 04.36.36 Join asdgjhasdg [0] (n=Sinbios@69.156.117.141) 04.37.13 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.38.01 # is there anybody here who can help me get the build environment up and running? 04.38.47 # um... i may not be much of help, but i can try... 04.39.14 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-41dfdaca7fee7a49) 04.39.32 # i have the cygwin environment installed, and have executed the first two instructions 04.39.44 # cvs -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox login 04.39.51 # cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel 04.40.02 # and that seemed to work, with the folders appearing with their contents 04.40.04 # is the bootloader for the X5 working yet? 04.40.22 # pretty sure it's been in the same state since last time afruff23... 04.40.22 # now it is asking me to 04.40.23 # Make your way back to C:\Rockbox\, open the folder called Home and the folder called guest within that. Move your newly downloaded file into this folder (C:\Rockbox\home\guest) 04.40.38 # hmm.... 04.40.44 # but I dont have that folder, nor is there a file on my pc called _RockBox. bat 04.40.46 # i don't recall doing that. 04.40.53 # i seem to have missed a step? 04.40.55 # what instructions are you following? 04.41.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 04.42.11 # here, these may work better... 04.42.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowToCompile 04.42.48 # i guess you could just skip to number two 04.43.29 # don't think you'll have to do anything with # 4 04.46.24 # hmmm, looking. 04.46.40 # suppose just follow 2, 3, and 5 i guess... 04.46.49 # is there any advantages to MTP over UMS? 04.47.01 # are* 04.47.21 # i couldn't tell you... 04.54.21 # about the same as using a butterknife compared to a chainsaw for cutting down trees, I would imagine 04.54.39 # cheers, making away :) 04.55.03 # i helped? 04.55.09 # yep, thanks a lot. 04.55.24 # heh, you're welcome... 04.55.28 # pench where you talking about my psot 04.55.29 # there is still lots for me to learn so i can add patches, but we are progressing :) 04.55.29 # for once i guess i help someone 04.55.30 # post* 04.55.54 Quit Sinbios (Connection timed out) 04.56.36 # afruff23: yeah, I think (without knowing much about it) that it's just a limited, worthless protocol designed to inconvenience users in the name of "DRM" 04.57.26 # hmm... suddenly glad i didn't go to sleep a while ago. 04.57.31 # doesnt mtp also work with non-drm infected files as well? it is a way for you to have programs organise and transfer stuff for you. ums, i think, means drag and drop 04.57.57 # mnhnhyouh: thing is, the programs could do that with ums as well 04.57.59 # do WPS support custom ID3V2 fields 04.58.06 # nay 04.58.14 # afruff23: no, there's a patch to do it though 04.58.29 # MTP doesn't allow something that isn't possible with ums, afaik 04.58.45 Quit asdgjhasdg (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.58.48 # @pench, I think you are correct 04.58.49 # But yeah, you *NEED* programs to handle MTP devices 04.58.58 # The only thing it does better IMO is it streamlines the play count and rating transferring better 04.59.13 # talking about MTP 04.59.23 # That's not by virtue of the protocol though. That's just because of the programs 04.59.29 # yeah 04.59.48 # They should enfore a standard palycount and rating tag for files 04.59.59 # enforce* 05.01.25 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB0EA3A.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.41 # id3 already have both 05.01.49 # yeah I know 05.01.55 # but not many adhererto it 05.02.01 # PCNT and POPM 05.02.10 # POPM? 05.02.18 # popularity meter 05.02.19 # popularimeter 05.02.29 # is in fact the official name 05.02.34 # that's different from rating 05.02.44 # there's another standard one 05.03.13 # okay, correct me if i'm wrong, but aren't things like u_int32_t and whatnot supposed to be part of POSIX or some other common standard? 05.03.24 # i can't seem to find their definition in solaris :/ 05.03.26 # popularimeter takes into account many things such as playcount, last time played, etc. 05.03.35 # No. 05.03.36 # aren't they there for the simulator compatibility or something...? 05.03.55 # afruff23: it does not. It contains an optional playcount, and an email-address 05.04.10 # And there's, afaics, no rating tag. 05.04.16 # except this one 05.05.17 # Look it up yourself: http://www.rockbox.org/docs/id3v2.4.0-frames.txt 05.11.30 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-55-244.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 05.11.39 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 05.15.22 # thanks again sharpe :) 05.15.26 Part mnhnhyouh 05.17.42 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.19.32 # midkay! 05.19.38 # sharpe!! :) 05.19.45 # i helped someone! 05.20.17 # omfg, how?! 05.22.53 # pointed him in the direction of setting up a dev enviornment 05.23.47 # nice job! :) 05.23.53 # thanks! 05.25.31 # http://www.airtoons.com/toons.php?toon=79 05.26.08 # i'm like really bored. 05.27.03 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.27.08 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@228.orlando-09-10rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 05.32.43 # sharpe, work on the wps package reader if you're bored. :) 05.32.53 # and. haha at that link. 05.33.05 # lol 05.33.19 # i just recorded ten minutes of me laughing... 05.33.25 # i'm very productive. 05.34.03 # wtf. 05.34.04 # :) 05.34.14 # they were funny images... 05.34.37 Join Shadowarrior13 [0] (i=dsf@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 05.34.52 # i sound differently recorded... 05.34.59 # haha. 05.35.20 # even my laugh does :\ 05.36.04 Quit Arrogant ("Leaving") 05.40.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.40.45 # is it like. he he he he he. 05.41.28 # look at this MTP zealot 05.41.29 # http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?p=71837#post71837 05.41.36 # go a page back 05.43.26 Quit Febs () 05.43.44 # it's more like, a funny laugh... 05.46.01 # afruff23, what? 05.46.49 # lol http://www.airtoons.com/toons.php?toon=71 06.01.28 Quit afruff23 ("OUCH!!!") 06.18.48 Quit imphasing_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.23.05 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 06.25.31 Join [IDC]Dragon [0] (n=Joerg@dhcp87.contactor.se) 06.28.17 Join Spida_ [0] (i=Spida@p508A35C4.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 06.34.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> hehe, see that red dot on the cam? 06.34.26 # indeed 06.34.33 # it brightens. 06.34.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> it's my mouse 06.34.41 # it darkens. 06.34.54 # flip on the infrared cam :D 06.35.18 # <[IDC]Dragon> moooaarrningg! 06.35.27 # actually all you need is an IR beam pointed at you... grab the remote and shine a pulse function on your face! 06.36.16 # <[IDC]Dragon> that's an RC 06.36.57 # <[IDC]Dragon> not very bright 06.36.58 # hmm? 06.37.36 # find a way to bathe the office in infrared light 06.37.45 # <[IDC]Dragon> it worked for one frame only 06.38.04 # * BHSPitLappy missed it then 06.38.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> no, I'm glad the cam is so insensitive 06.38.15 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 06.38.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> so I can hide in darkness 06.38.39 Quit Spida (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.38.43 # set the update time to .03s or something 06.39.20 # did you guys see that link I psoted. The zealot is "Zeus's Uncle". He later sent me a PM saying I was biased and did not understand the protcols. LOL 06.39.27 # posted* 06.39.44 Quit pench ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.39.44 Quit bepe86 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.42.34 # protocols of UMS and MTP* 06.44.18 # rockbox developers! a SNIPER is aiming at you guys with a laser beam! DUCK!!! 06.45.02 # * BHSPitLappy ducks 06.45.50 # hey all.. im back from w/e away.. how was devconf? 06.48.58 # there was an accident 06.49.11 # what sort of accident? 06.49.14 # only [IDC]Dragon is alive, and you can only tell by his blinking red nametag 06.49.25 # :) 06.49.32 # somebody tripped the circuit 06.49.44 # all the archos bricks rebelled 06.49.46 # it was horrible 06.49.49 # that''s an LED provding light in the corner 06.49.54 # and we all had front row seats to the carnage 06.49.56 # or LCD 06.50.04 # LED 06.50.29 # LED??? all that light? 06.50.36 # a brightass mouse or something? 06.50.41 # LEDs or bright 06.50.44 # are* 06.50.53 # JdGordon: he doesn't mean the blueness over there 06.51.09 # no, I do 06.51.20 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 06.51.34 # the red light is probably an LED too 06.51.45 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 06.51.51 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.51.57 # last remnants of life at devcon. 06.56.08 # well 06.56.16 # i think i'm going to go to sleep 06.56.32 # g'night alive people. 07.00.12 # <[IDC]Dragon> 'night 07.01.10 # what's the patch for adding custom ID3 tag support to the WPS? 07.01.37 # as in non-standard ID3 tags 07.01.51 # Id3 v2 07.02.27 Quit phaedrus961 () 07.17.06 # is it possible to send an attachment with unix's mail program? 07.19.19 # Can anyone tell me what the volume scale is on iPod platforms? (minimum, maximum) 07.26.10 # any1 know how to scroll up/down in screen? 07.26.52 # ?? 07.27.41 # dw 07.28.30 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.28.50 # uuuuh, i'm too old for this....... 07.29.39 # hey LinusN 07.29.43 # how was devcon? 07.31.06 # LinusN sounds like a man in need of a strong cup of coffee. 07.32.49 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@82.166.42.190) 07.33.16 Join tayeb [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 07.34.23 # was? is! 07.34.39 # the cam is mighty dark but we are here 07.35.51 # Apparently many years of staring at CRTs in the dark has given RB developers cat-like vision. 07.35.58 # anything productive happen at devcon? 07.36.21 # quite a lot actually 07.36.43 # is some1 gonna let the rest of the community in on the secrets? 07.37.36 # I'm sure we'll make a summary after today 07.37.56 # http://www.misticriver.net/showpost.php?p=415177&postcount=105 07.38.03 # the ReleaseTodo from yday is one result 07.38.20 # saw that.. looks good 07.38.25 # :( no alarm on the h300 tho 07.40.15 # Is the parametric EQ available on all platforms? 07.40.21 # yes 07.40.25 # all swcodecs 07.40.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.40.40 # But not archos? 07.40.47 # correct 07.41.15 # Thanks. 07.41.25 # * tayeb wonders how useful album art is in 4 greys 07.41.32 # * Febs goes back to working on chapter 4.1 of the manual. 07.41.38 # * JdGordon wonders how usefull AA is full stop! 07.41.54 # AA is eye candy big time 07.42.00 # well, if you have lots of screen realestate, it can't harm 07.42.08 # but we dont... 07.42.20 # (anything larger than h120 is lots, if you ask me) 07.42.25 # well.. we sort of do 07.42.27 # h1x0 07.42.47 # linusn: is there a sequence of commands to tell the H300 lcd controller that the data coming to it is in a column rather then a row? 07.42.48 Quit needleboy () 07.43.42 # (anyone watching the Formula1 today might be interested in this little app: http://www.netsplit.com/blog/tech/live-f1.html) 07.43.55 Join phaedrus961 [0] (n=kdjd@ppp-69-239-221-104.dsl.bkfd14.pacbell.net) 07.44.58 Quit Shadowarrior13 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 07.45.13 # f1 in malaysia this week ye? 07.45.20 # or was that last week? 07.45.30 # This week 07.46.01 # in fact, coming up real soon now 07.48.46 # Man it's dark at contactor 07.48.48 # kkurbjun: well, you can tell the lcd controller how the GRAM is orientated, end you can update it by column or by row 07.48.52 # oh, not anymore 07.48.56 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 07.50.18 # ok, thanks, I was more curious then anything right now, I was just coming up with ideas to speed up doom 07.51.36 Quit nnod (Remote closed the connection) 07.52.55 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3562296.sympatico.ca) 07.54.02 # kkurbjun: well, you won't be able to control the lcd driver on that level 07.54.18 # Man, there's a H100 optimized rockbox.. have they not learnt? 07.54.55 # Linusn: why is that? 07.55.23 # have you looked at what I'm doing in the i_video.c for in the latest code? 07.56.46 # kkurbjun: because the driver api doesn't allow you 07.57.13 # "InfernoGuy: I don't have any problems with freezing up or crash of my player. Could you describe when your player freezes or crashes. Rockbox is still under development and not official released. I don't think the problems are related to my build." 07.57.19 # someone clue this guy in, fast 07.57.25 # I can't just write directly to the lcd's address? 07.58.11 # kkurbjun: you *can* but you shouldn't 07.58.41 # then you would have to have special cases for each and every lcd controller 08.00.19 # for example, the x5 lcd driver is very special, and we don't want to duplicate that code in doom 08.00.19 # linusn, yeah, I know but the general case stuff is already in there, I was thinking more along the lines of an asm routine for the drawing which is platform specific anyway 08.00.40 # the drawing in the frae buffer? 08.00.42 # frame 08.01.32 # I see, right now I'm already writing directly to the lcd address for the h300, the code is in i_video.c, I should try a time demo without it and see what the difference is sometime 08.02.03 # not I should say rendering rather then drawing 08.02.12 # rendering the doom display 08.02.55 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@155.orlando-09rh15-16rt.fl.dial-access.att.net) 08.04.00 # either way though it's not an issue yet as there's still some other features that I want to get in to the doom code before I'm considering or get to any heavy optimizations 08.04.48 # does this mean the X5 will never have a doom port? 08.04.55 # no 08.05.38 # can somebody give me links to ABX tests of mp3 and wma at 128kbps or higher? 08.05.45 # afruff23, there is general code in the doom port that will work for any color platform off the bat 08.05.47 # ABX test results* 08.05.57 # ok thanks 08.09.44 # Now make a grayscalelib version 08.13.25 # Damn it. Somehow I managed to lose all of the changes I just wrote for the manual. 08.15.31 # afruff23, look here for listening tests: http://wiki.hydrogenaudio.org/index.php?title=Listening_Tests 08.17.19 # I did 08.17.28 # that doesn't compare to other formats though 08.18.02 # I want a comparison of mp3 to wma 08.18.08 # not professional wma either 08.18.24 # never mind 08.19.48 # Did you see the 'multiformat tests' section at the bottom of the page? And the links to 'external tets'? 08.21.08 # s/tets/tests 08.21.28 # yea I jsut noticed that 08.21.34 # hence nvm 08.21.52 # oh, has the quick screen been fixed again after it was fixed on friday? 08.22.25 # ..or thursday or whenever it was... 08.23.45 # .. or even last sunday! 08.24.33 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.27.41 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@TLV62-0-104-187.bb.netvision.net.il) 08.30.13 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 08.30.54 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@TLV62-0-104-187.bb.netvision.net.il) 08.31.03 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 08.31.15 Quit B4gder ("I'm not actually leaving. I'm just... eh, back soon!") 08.31.46 Join needleboy [0] (n=Miranda@TLV62-0-104-187.bb.netvision.net.il) 08.32.52 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 08.42.23 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 08.48.01 Join Skydemon [0] (n=udo@xdsl-84-44-171-178.netcologne.de) 08.48.04 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 08.50.58 # Good morning :) 08.52.26 Part nave7693 08.54.42 # Any progress on the X5 bootloader? 08.58.56 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@dhcp87.contactor.se) 09.03.56 Quit B4gder (Remote closed the connection) 09.09.10 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-11.VIC.netspace.net.au) 09.09.35 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.09.38 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-11.VIC.netspace.net.au) 09.13.43 # Grrr. What I am doing wrong? I am trying to make a patch using this command: diff -u main-old.tex main.tex > patch 09.14.00 # main-old.tex is the original file, main.tex is the new file. They're in the same directory. 09.14.39 # what's happening? 09.14.52 # * HCl yawns 09.15.04 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 09.15.07 # bbl 09.15.19 # The output file seems to contain the entire original file, without the change I made. 09.15.35 # newline type differences? 09.15.37 Quit Skydemon ("bye bye") 09.16.06 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@dhcp87.contactor.se) 09.17.57 # That was it. 09.18.08 # * Febs slaps himself on the head. 09.20.18 # * B4gder offers Febs the borrow the #rockbox head slapper device 09.20.42 # LOL. OK, now that I have some clue what I'm doing, what's the protocol for changes to the manual. Should I just upload the diff files to the patch tracker? 09.20.46 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-4-0-cust10.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 09.21.07 # Febs: yes please, if you're not talking to tucoz directly 09.21.54 # tired dragon? 09.22.25 # OK. That's what I'll do. The patch I just did was more of a test run than anything else, but now that I have Cygwin running and have at least started to learn the TeX format, I can start to help out a bit more. 09.22.36 # nice 09.22.53 # I'll setup an automated manual build soonish 09.23.42 Join qupada [0] (n=qupada@202.180.89.90) 09.24.27 # nice to see B4gder cleaning up LOL! 09.24.36 Quit Sando (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.24.47 # why are you guys so happy? 09.25.51 # <[IDC]Dragon> are we? 09.26.05 # <[IDC]Dragon> zombie alert! 09.26.13 # <[IDC]Dragon> 2 more appeared 09.26.22 # Happiness is mandatory. Trust the Rockbox dev team. 09.27.24 # * lostlogic grunts 09.27.53 # wb 09.28.45 # * BHSPitLappy snorts 09.28.51 # I saw linus smile when he was standing next to someone as if something big was accomplished 09.28.52 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@dhcp87.contactor.se) 09.29.18 # hola Zagor 09.29.25 # hi 09.30.14 # zagor can you tell us about any unplublished updates to the development of the X5 rockbox? 09.31.13 # well, not really. it's progressing, but I have no specific details. 09.31.56 # as you can see from the release plan, it won't be officially supported this coming 3.0 but I gather we'll have it done well before 3.1 09.32.36 # Yeah I saw that page. Thankflly that ends around my warranty expiration :-) 09.32.43 # hehe 09.33.30 # everyone's gone! 09.33.33 # eek 09.33.35 # breakfast? 09.34.21 # we went to check on the weather. the nice sunny morning suddenly changed into a snow storm. 09.34.27 # wb, lone hero 09.34.35 # nice 09.36.53 # Cassandra, would you agree with me that for purposes of the manual, the parametric EQ should be in the "advanced chapter"? 09.37.49 # "advanced chapter"/"advanced topics" chapter 09.38.28 Quit Arrogant ("Leaving") 09.40.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.41.00 # here's a new little feature to play with this morning... 09.41.18 Part qupada 09.43.37 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 09.44.15 Join needleboy [0] (i=Miranda@82.166.42.190) 09.44.28 Quit needleboy (Client Quit) 09.45.12 # Febs, still around? Shouldn't that at least be mentioned where the Menus are talked about? 09.45.18 # the EQ that is 09.45.46 # and a more detailed discussion (Q etc) some other place 09.46.29 # have you guys at the DevCon used the newest Cowon firmware for the X5? 09.46.33 # 2.10 Final 09.46.45 # which is the same as 2.10 beta 8 korean 09.49.04 # good action still 09.49.55 Join SteL[1] [0] (n=SteL@slawson.plus.com) 09.50.04 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@217.9.226.114) 09.50.14 # Is BUTTON_OFF Stop on the recorder? 09.50.18 # afruff23: we generally don't care very much about the original firmwares 09.50.26 # tucoz: yes 09.50.29 # I know 09.50.30 # thanks 09.50.37 # morning :) 09.50.44 # BUTTON_ON then? 09.51.05 # I just want you guys to amke sure that the rockbox firmware will not act badly to the beta firmwares from Cowon 09.51.06 # it's used for browse/wps swapping, and as shiftkey for pgup/pgdn 09.51.21 # "Keymappings for applications to be based upon platform 09.51.22 # independent functions (eg next item, last item, up in heirarchy etc.) 09.51.22 # which are defined in a single platform specific file. No #ifdef KEYPAD_* 09.51.22 DBUG Enqueued KICK JdGordon 09.51.22 # statements to remain." AWESOME :D 09.51.54 # JdGordon: yeah, if we manage to pull that off it will mean a lot less mess in the code. 09.54.36 # is that not gonna be touched untill after release? or if its worked on it could make it in before the freeze? 09.56.01 # JdGordon: not likely 09.56.26 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.58.23 # afruff23: it generally doesn't matter to rockbox what versoin of the retailos the player has... the exception to this is that the H3x0 bootloader doesn't like to work correctly on US versions of the H3x0 firmware. 10.00.34 # Party Mode. Yiehaa 10.00.58 # Just what I needed :-) 10.01.25 # :-) 10.04.12 # what is it exactly? 10.05.17 # afruff23: it's a mode that disables all the functions that interrupt playback. i.e. next, prev, stop, pause and play. 10.05.32 # instead, when you play a file it is added last to the playlist 10.06.23 # the idea is that you can then leave the player unattended at parties without having people change or inadvertedly stop the music 10.06.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> then you'll need a password lock 10.07.28 # nah, it's not that kind of a lock. 10.10.12 # sorta like party mode for mediamonkey 10.11.08 # but how would you unlock it? 10.11.18 # combination of buttons? 10.12.39 Quit SteL[1] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.13.05 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 10.15.14 # afruff23, I assum you'd just go in to the menu and disable it 10.15.17 # assume even 10.15.21 # safetydan: exactly 10.16.03 # JdGordon where are you reading this ? 10.16.15 # Off topic, does anyone know howto make flash not steal keyboard focus when the mouse pointer moves over a flash item? 10.16.30 # Bger: where as in location? or which monitor? or ..? 10.16.31 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.16.31 # * [IDC]Dragon learns the wav codec dance 10.16.39 # someone should add custom x,y text positioning to the WPS.. e.g. %a|x|y| :) shouldn't be very hard.. 10.16.41 # location :) 10.16.52 # home of the commonwealth games :p 10.17.18 # [IDC]Dragon, is wav new for the MAS targets? 10.17.20 # midkay: we want the full viewport concept 10.17.24 # * JdGordon couldnt give a stuff about the games, btw 10.17.27 # 10:51AM "Keymappings for applications to be based upon platform 10.17.31 # B4gder, what exactly? 10.17.44 # B4gder, how would viewport relate to x,y alignment 10.17.46 # +? 10.17.57 # midkay: defining "boxes" to a specific position 10.18.03 # tucoz, regarding the EQ, yes. My thought was to put a brief description in chapter 4 where the other sound settings are discussed, but to keep the details on using the EQ in the "advanced topics" section. 10.18.17 # and have regular wps stuff like text etc within such boxes 10.18.21 # B4gder, what about just alignment sans endx/endy coordinates? .. it'd be nice until viewports are done.. 10.18.23 # Bger: ye? 10.18.35 # midkay: no, it would not be good 10.18.36 # Febs, sure. I agree :) As long as it gets in the manual I am happy. :-) 10.18.40 Join ghode|afk [0] (n=garudin@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com) 10.18.43 # B4gder, ah, makes sense. ;) 10.18.57 # JdGordon which location are you reading this at ? 10.19.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> tucoz: yes 10.19.15 # OOHH.... now i get ya.. the dev mailing list 10.19.25 # haha... bloodye nglish aye? 10.19.29 # tucoz, are you going to be around later in the day? I need to get some sleep (4:18 AM here) but now that I have Cygwin running and some understanding of Tex, patching, etc., I would to chat some more about the manual. 10.19.46 # [IDC]Dragon, wav is working on the archos? 10.20.02 # Febs, btw, there will be added some options later, like button macros, and some other target specific options 10.20.29 # Febs, I'll be around. I'll log out now, but check the logs now and then to see if you are around 10.20.30 # [IDC]Dragon, we demand an on-camera demonstration :) 10.20.46 # Sounds good. Goodnight all. 10.20.50 # Night 10.20.52 # night Febs 10.21.38 # [IDC]Dragon, cool. Multi-codec is true for the old MAS'es as well then :-) 10.22.05 # or maybe they already were (mp2,mp3 ?) 10.24.29 Join Kummer [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 10.25.33 Quit afruff23 ("Few women admit their age. Few men act theirs.") 10.25.47 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 10.28.22 Join SteL [0] (n=SteL@slawson.plus.com) 10.29.37 # yay! :-) 10.29.53 # * amiconn seems to have fixed the nasty ata write bug 10.30.09 # amiconn, on-camera cheeer!!! 10.30.12 # * amiconn is going to commit that soon. 10.31.48 # Looks like I'll need to redo my file copy benchmarks soon 10.31.58 # meeting time 10.35.33 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.171.43) 10.35.50 # oh, its only sunday for u ppl isnt it?? is the conf still going? or was uit just yesterday? 10.37.33 Join paulheu [0] (i=paulheu@a2018.upc-a.chello.nl) 10.37.54 # Hi there.. Need some help with fonts 10.43.36 # JdGordon, yeah it's still Sunday for us Euro's 10.43.48 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 10.43.56 # yahoo.. 10.44.49 # mmm.. party mode sounds good 10.44.56 # I completed Rockbox wikipedia in Korean translation. 10.44.58 # http://ko.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockbox 10.45.57 # Are all Devcon participants sleeping? 10.48.15 # I guess 10.48.40 # Jungti1234, no.. meeting off-camera.. 10.48.41 # I've been trying to fix this *&@#& font issue 10.48.46 # paulheu, what is it? 10.48.46 # :) 10.49.24 # I installed the multifont patch, when I enter settings teh font always goes back to sysfont 10.49.38 # and returns to the set font when you cancel or exit 10.49.40 # midkay 10.49.55 # ah,, no 10.49.57 # I guess it's an easy fix, but so not know where to find it 10.49.58 # paulheu, ah, no idea.. either way i doubt you'll like the patch.. i've heard that the disk spins up each time you enter a new menu because it has to load the font into memory each time.. 10.50.02 # Jungti1234, what? 10.50.22 # nothing 10.50.48 # paulheu, i have no idea, but .. have you set the menu/"sys" font to be what you want it to? 10.51.46 # Yeah.. for now it's all nimbus-12 except for the sysfont of course, but that is where the problem is.. Guess I will take the patch out again for now.. 10.52.04 # although it's not a real big probelm.. 10.52.05 Quit SteL (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.52.49 # Is it just more or does the iPod scroll wheel work the opposite way in the WPS than in menus? Scrolling clockwise in menus scrolls down, but scrolling clockwise in WPS increases the volume. 10.53.23 # paulheu, have you figured out how to set the sys font? 10.53.31 # ep0ch, I'd say that's deliberate 10.53.35 # or are you just not sure? it's called multifont, so you must be able to set seperate ones. :) 10.53.37 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-210.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.53.41 # clockwise for both seems about right to me 10.53.59 # ep0ch, would it make sense to scroll backwards to increase the volume? 10.54.20 # as scrolling forward increases your position in the menus downward, it increases the volume in the WPS.. 10.54.31 # Yeah.. if I choose a system font using 'browse fonts' it will override all with that one, but still nogo.. 10.54.44 # paulheu, hm, no idea then. 10.54.51 # I'll just remove the patch and see if the problem goes away to be sure it's not soemwhere else..;) 10.54.58 # :) 10.55.22 Quit Acksaw ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 10.55.26 # but visually you are scrolling down in the menu 10.55.45 # not increasing your position 10.56.06 # ep0ch, from a coding standpoint, you are increasing your position.. 10.56.19 # e.g. you're 1 item down the menu.. you're two items down.. etc. 10.56.20 # yeha i can understand that 10.56.59 # ep0ch, you really think it would make sense to scroll backward to go down a list? or scroll backwards to increase the volume? you can look at it as inconsistent, but it's of course natural.. it works the same exact way in the apple firmware. 10.58.23 # to me it would be natural that clockwise in the menu scrolls down (as is), but clockwise in WPS would decrease volume 10.58.44 # What does the apple firmware do? 10.58.51 # apple works like rockbox 10.58.59 # ep0ch, if it really bothers you, change in apps/gui/gwps.h 10.59.13 # ep0ch, that would be "consistent", but you really think it would make more sense? 10.59.15 # #define WPS_INCVOL BUTTON_SCROLL_FWD 10.59.15 # #define WPS_DECVOL BUTTON_SCROLL_BACK 10.59.25 # swap those, and voila, backwards volume 10.59.38 # yeha i'll give it a go 11.00.45 # ep0ch, also, in the settings menu.. increasing settings is scrolling forward (e.g. sound settings -> volume) - you propose changing that too? 11.01.45 Join zoneout [0] (n=r@84.51.129.124) 11.01.52 # yup! 11.02.16 # is there an audioscrobler plugin for rockbox (ipod) 11.02.19 # ep0ch, haha. i'm glad you're not high-up on the dev team.. :) 11.02.23 # :D 11.02.32 # zoneout, no(t yet). 11.03.02 # midkay: is there anyway to get rockbox to record what you've been listening to? 11.03.18 # ep0ch, apps/gui/select.h, #define SELECT_INC #define SELECT_DEC 11.03.31 # those control settings menus. Anyway you know where to look now. 11.03.49 # zoneout, no, that's most of the job in giving rockbox audioscrobbler support. you can make it via coding it to, of course, but there isn't any code in place for that yet. 11.04.14 # There is the runtimedb but I'm not sure what state that's in at the moment 11.04.43 # midkay: cool... any idea when it'll be ready/ 11.04.45 # ? 11.05.10 Quit ashridah (Remote closed the connection) 11.05.11 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-11.VIC.netspace.net.au) 11.05.30 # zoneout, no ETA... such a feature isn't really "planned" or being worked on.. but that kind of thing tends to happen spontaneously :) 11.06.04 # midkay: sure... 11.08.24 Join imphasing_ [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 11.08.34 # Kummer: thanks 11.09.09 # definitely seems more natural to me anyway, probably my dyslexia showing 11.09.15 # ;) 11.09.36 # ep0ch, -probably +definitely 11.09.38 # ;) 11.10.14 Join leftright [0] (n=5087f668@labb.contactor.se) 11.10.17 # Hrm... file copy speed has gone from 1.84 MByte/s to 6.41 MByte/s on iRiver 11.10.19 # :) 11.10.23 # that's without the optimised write too 11.10.23 # the number of users who want backwards volume is so small that it's not even worth exposing as a configuration option, but of course the whole point of free software is you can build the source however you want 11.10.36 # wow 11.10.56 # safetydan, any thoughts/progress on the playlist catalog patch ? 11.11.29 # leftright, I was hoping Shebb would magically reappear with his improved version :) 11.12.12 # no he's dissapeard into college, doubt we'll see him for a long time, according to his post 11.13.11 # college in america is very emanding i gather, all those woman and beer to study 11.14.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VKeyboardDesignProposal - What's this? 11.14.48 # I haven't looked at it further as I have been working on other bits. I don't think the status of the patch has changed for a while 11.15.27 # Jungti1234, possible design for new input system I think 11.15.36 # no it hasn't, I think its up to you or hardeep, and there is no sign of hardeep either 11.15.45 # ep0ch I just built a backwards volume rockbox for my ipod nano. it works fine. 11.15.49 # May I add Korean to it? 11.15.55 # i'd be cool if the keyboard on the ipod wrapped to the next column when you scroll off the bottom with the wheel. 11.15.59 # Jungti1234, go ahead 11.16.04 # Kummer: and its more natural too :D 11.16.41 # well on paper it sounds horrible but now that I'm actually running it that way, I find that I don't mind 11.17.37 # good good 11.18.25 # i will NOT be taken to the dark side here.. 11.18.41 # safetydan, well thanks for looking into it. 11.19.19 # leftright, it might be easier to do it in stages... like first add a menu entry to append the current track to a playlist on disk rather than the otf playlist 11.19.35 # The other thing is the feature freeze coming up 11.19.52 # go on try it, you know you want to 11.20.12 # safetydan I think that any progress on this parch would be well recieved, 11.20.13 # ep0ch, no. NO. you can't make me. 11.20.33 # I should point out that I didn't mind the forwards volume controls either 11.20.38 # backwards-volume-control users are lusers. backwards-volume-control users are lusers. backwards-volume-control users are lusers. *repeats in head* 11.20.44 # hehe 11.21.01 # hangon what are you trying to tell me?! 11.21.06 # anyway where is that lostlogic, I've been playing with ipod nano battery display 11.21.25 # backwards-volume-control users are lusers, but not all lusers are backwards-volume-control users. 11.21.27 # safetydan, thats why I'm hoping something will be committed before the freeze, so that it doesn't die 11.21.36 Quit paulheu () 11.21.54 # I copied like three lines from config-ipodvideo.h into config-ipodnano.h and as far as I can tell the battery display works, and it doesn't _seem_ to harm performance or power usage any, so I'm wondering why this isn't in the CVS yet 11.22.22 # Kummer, i think the batteries are different capacities so the display would be inaccurate for the nano.. 11.22.44 # it's done with voltages that are mapped to percentages 11.23.03 # and, the voltages don't seem too far off between the two 11.23.09 # Kummer, maybe voltages are different on the nano as a result of a different capacity battery? 11.23.12 # i'm not sure either.. 11.23.14 # more specifically, I noticed some top-end inaccuracy 11.23.25 # like, anything above 90% just displays as 90% 11.23.38 # leftright, I doubt it will die since LinusN likes it. It just needs someone motivated enough to do it right. 11.23.43 # but down in the 20-90% range it is a dead ringer to the official firmware's battery indicator 11.24.06 # I haven't tested below 20% yet because, well, you can only drain the battery so fast playing music :) 11.24.17 # Kummer, you should talk to Paul_The_Nerd, he's got the battery display working on his nano 11.24.25 # can I send you a bottle of motivation :) 11.24.30 # thanks safetydan 11.25.02 # leftright, ha... I'm going a way for a month soon so I won't be able to work on it unfortunately 11.25.12 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@l06m-213-44-70-153.d4.club-internet.fr) 11.25.38 # Kummer, you can compare notes. I think he's basically done the same thing you did. 11.26.24 # ah, well perhaps someone else will look into it, thanks anyway safetydan 11.26.33 # it's clear lostlogic did a lot of the nano groundwork already, I'm just wondering why he didn't put in those last three lines 11.27.14 # Kummer, it's possible that he doesn't own a nano so can't test things like that 11.27.33 # but you are at the conference, there are plenty of nanos around!!! 11.27.34 # :) 11.28.06 # Well, I'm not at the conference. 11.28.14 # oops 11.28.30 # But lostlogic is so you should ask if he can look at it 11.30.50 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd12a.f.strato-dslnet.de) 11.31.36 Quit `3nergy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.31.55 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 11.33.04 Join SteL [0] (n=IceChat7@slawson.plus.com) 11.38.02 Join fairway [0] (i=fairway@217-162-176-206.dclient.hispeed.ch) 11.38.09 Quit Lost-ash ("Leaving") 11.38.13 # where can I get ipod colour skins? 11.39.13 # B4gder: do u want another comp for the build servers? 11.39.31 # is the script smart enough to only send a job to the comp if its actually on? 11.40.29 Part SteL 11.40.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.42.00 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=dom@neon.ip6.hadiko.de) 11.42.23 # who did the party mode patch? 11.43.19 # JdGordon, Zagor comitted it 11.43.38 # its got a yukky bug 11.43.54 # JdGordon, ooh. let's hear. 11.44.40 # if u have "ask to overright dynamic playlist" set it will show that screen before adding the track.. it shouldnt.. 11.46.27 # and unrelated... whoever "fixed" the quickscreen last week broke it on the h300... 11.46.38 # JdGordon, i think that was me :) 11.46.41 # what's wrong? 11.46.54 # it looks terrible... 11.46.57 # almost done with another update to it, but .. haha. 11.47.00 # that's all? :) 11.47.36 # oh, sorry... just checked it again.. i tinhk it was missing the cursor icons or something.. seems to work ok now.. looked betetr before tho 11.48.12 # JdGordon, agreed @ looking better before.. i think it should look pretty good with my new update though. 11.48.22 # ok 11.48.23 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 11.48.29 # quite similar, but still resolves the bug that was present before i touched it at all 11.50.07 # hi 11.50.16 # when recharching my ipod keeps constantly re-booting 11.54.27 # Hi all...I'm trying to compile my own version...I installed cygwin selecting all components needed (as guide said), downloaded a bleeding edge build but when I type configure in tools dir. I get this: "bash: configure: command not found"... What's wrong? Am I missing something or propably I made a bad cygwin install? Thanks in advance... 11.54.45 # you need the configure package 11.54.52 # Genre9mp3, it needs to be "../tools/configure". 11.54.55 # not just "configure". 11.55.10 # from your build-dir, that is. 11.55.17 # I type this in tools dir. 11.55.21 # no. 11.55.24 # Isn't the same? 11.55.27 # get to the source dir.. no. 11.55.39 # rockbox-daily-whatever/ ? 11.55.57 # cd into there.. then mkdir build - cd build - ../tools/configure. 11.56.04 # you want to run the configure script from the build dir. 11.56.19 # Genre9mp3 cygwin is not like DOS. If you actually want to run the configure script from the tools directory you type ./configure 11.56.27 # but, you don't want to run it from the tools directory 11.56.43 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.56.45 # ok...thank you...I'll retry now... 11.57.12 Join PhR3aK [0] (n=A@pD952956B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 11.58.33 # It works...Thank you very much for your help 11.59.35 # how do i do a search through all files in a folder for a line? and let it tell me which file/line it is at (on linux) ? 11.59.58 # grep -r "line of text" directory/ 12.00.17 # for case insensitive search, grep -ir 12.00.48 # thanx 12.01.45 # oh if you really want the line numbers displayed, grep -nr (or -nir etc.) 12.06.06 # Zagor: u der? 12.06.34 # JdGordon: if you only want that folder and not to be recursive leave the "r" out. 12.06.49 # they're having brunch I think, there's nobody in big brother 12.06.52 # Great!!! :-) I just compiled my very first build!!! Again...Thanks for the instant help! 12.07.02 # damn 12.07.09 # thanx Kummer and bluebrother^ 12.07.19 # 16x4 is so small. 12.07.36 # genre9mp3, were the instructions unclear, if so do you think they should be changed ? 12.08.22 # Korean is more need. 12.08.41 # The instructions were clear enough, it was my misunderstanding... 12.09.12 Join chamois [0] (n=chamois@bro67-3-82-231-134-112.fbx.proxad.net) 12.09.18 # hi all 12.09.23 # hi 12.09.28 # i wonder how to build sim under linux 12.09.32 # thanks, i think I'll try it myself sometime 12.09.47 # i got undefined reference 12.09.59 # how can i install sdl ? 12.10.00 # oh.. Are they sleeping continuously? 12.11.00 # chamois: what distribution do you habe? 12.11.09 # debian 12.11.34 # http://butterflymp3.sourceforge.net/ 12.11.44 # you need the *-dev package. 12.12.16 # i installed that: SDL-devel-1.2.9-1.i386.rpm 12.12.24 # I don't know the exact name, on my fedora box it's called "SDL-devel", Debian uses -dev instead of -devel 12.12.26 # it is not enough 12.12.33 # ? 12.12.34 # you installed a rpm on Debian? 12.12.43 # yes 12.12.47 # bad idea 12.12.49 # ok 12.12.55 # try apt-get SDL-dev 12.12.58 # ah.............:( 12.13.07 Quit Genre9mp3 () 12.18.11 # hmm, debian seems to call the package libsdl-dev, not SDL-devel 12.18.13 # try searching with apt-cache. 12.18.14 Quit fairway () 12.19.12 # i am searching 12.19.25 Part leftright 12.22.08 # google seems to suggest apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev 12.24.23 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.25.07 Join paulheu [0] (i=paulheu@a2018.upc-a.chello.nl) 12.25.26 # Where can I find more info on part mode? 12.25.32 # party mode that is? 12.25.59 # i get this error : dpkg : erreur de traitement de /var/cache/apt/archives/libsdl1.2-dev_1.2.7+1.2.8cvs20041007-4.1_i386.deb (--unpack) : 12.25.59 # tentative de remplacement de « /usr/bin/sdl-config », qui appartient aussi au paquet sdl-devel 12.26.04 # any idea 12.26.06 # ? 12.26.06 # party mode just disables all the playlist keys (so u cant seek, change track, stop play), and when u try adding a new track it adds tot he end 12.26.35 # chamois: can you tell this in english? 12.26.40 # Ah.. Ok that's cool.. 12.26.57 # LANG=en_EN apt-get install libsdl1.2-dev 12.27.09 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-57-180.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.27.10 # I don't speak french ... 12.27.22 # yes 12.27.23 # sorry 12.27.47 # but I guess you need to remove the sdl-devel rpm first. 12.28.17 # su 12.28.19 # oops 12.29.50 # <[IDC]Dragon> phew, we're done 12.30.06 # wow 12.30.08 # <[IDC]Dragon> through the agenda 12.30.15 # hello guys 12.31.36 # <[IDC]Dragon> LinusN prepares for a soldering session 12.31.37 # [IDC]Dragon: you guys gonna put up notes from the conf? :) 12.31.53 # hahaha 12.32.12 Quit paulheu () 12.32.23 # He lifted table. 12.32.31 # hahah.. such a bunch of geeks ! 12.32.35 # Easily. 12.33.04 # soldering coming up 12.33.12 # Zagor:"oops" 12.33.13 # time to redirect the cam for a better view 12.33.22 # JdGordon: i guess party mode should queue it rather than insert, right? 12.33.29 # ye 12.33.32 # probably.. 12.33.44 # nice B4gder.. 12.33.49 # I'll do that 12.33.53 # but i was making it not show the damn warning screen 12.34.03 # que next... 12.34.37 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.36.08 # i hate firefox for not having a "show in browser" option for files 12.36.20 # amen 12.36.32 # hehe 12.36.33 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 12.36.54 # hi muesli__ 12.37.30 # * [IDC]Dragon redirects the camera 12.37.31 # high Jungti1234 12.38.01 # <[IDC]Dragon> (soon) 12.38.04 # They are busy. 12.38.07 # hehe 12.39.24 # um 12.39.48 Join Clanth [0] (i=Clanth@nn14.nash.net.ua) 12.40.14 # live surgery 12.40.29 # introducing... soldering online, lesson #1 12.40.57 # soldering... 12.41.10 # good 12.41.27 # now kids, ask a parent before you try this at home 12.41.40 # what he will solder? :) 12.42.00 # an iPod serial cable at least 12.42.01 # * JdGordon has X working on colinux :D 12.42.03 # hahaha 12.42.04 # sdl is next 12.42.13 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 12.42.41 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-38-230.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.43.17 # amiconn's head 12.43.28 # Salut Chamois 12.43.32 # hi 12.43.35 # * preglow does the lovely weather dance 12.43.40 # Solid bottom plate of '3M' 12.43.53 # i want sun ;\ 12.44.56 # what's the surgery going on? 12.45.29 # open heart surgery on LinusN 12.45.36 # removing regulator on an ondio 12.46.56 # B4gder: u want another build server? 12.47.09 # yes please! 12.47.16 # not 24x7 tho.. but its almost alwyas up 12.47.30 # is the script good enough to not send it a job if its offline? 12.47.46 # I believe it is 12.48.03 # alrighty then... what do i need to do? 12.49.18 # oh 12.49.27 # JdGordon: start here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CvsBuildServer 12.49.44 # t0mas: here? 12.49.44 # Rockbox T-Shirt? 12.49.53 Join hubbel [0] (n=hubbel@dhcp87.contactor.se) 12.50.19 # yes 12.50.27 # aren't they purdy? 12.50.45 # purdy? 12.51.24 # pretty. 12.51.33 # yeah 12.51.44 # I found it just. 12.53.01 # B4gder: showering ;) 12.53.31 # I want to have those T-shirt one. :) 12.54.06 # t0mas: stop doing that and help JdGordon get his server going :-) 12.54.18 # haha 12.54.22 # * JdGordon installing sdl 12.54.30 # yeah, I was showering... don't have a keyboard in the shower yet :P 12.54.48 # why not?? u can get those plastic waterproof ones.. 12.54.57 # yeah, would be cool... 12.55.06 # see privmsg for setup instructions 12.55.41 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/PICT0008.JPG 12.56.21 # lol 12.56.47 # big.... 12.56.58 # hehe yeah 12.57.04 # B4gder, cool :) 12.57.12 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.57.28 # cropping, scaling and adding name tags and then we could put it somewhere 12.57.42 # who's the one next to linus? (on the left) 12.57.46 # brandon? or the mistery guest? 12.57.53 # lady! 12.58.12 # that's christi 12.58.24 # brandon, linus, björn, christi, jörg, daniel, jens 12.58.38 # left from right? 12.58.41 # yes 12.58.41 # yes 12.59.06 # lostlogic: you're looking more like my age... especially next to Linus ;) 12.59.06 # welcome with a smile 12.59.22 # grandpa linus 12.59.23 Join nnod [0] (n=donn@219-89-13-219.dialup.xtra.co.nz) 12.59.31 # hahahahahahahahaha 12.59.37 # L*nusN... don't hilight him ;) 12.59.52 # he's busy soldering now 12.59.54 Join skwad [0] (n=P4@lns-bzn-9-82-254-104-17.adsl.proxad.net) 12.59.55 # in the faces this is Jens apeared older for me 13.00.15 # yes, but Linus is bald... 13.00.24 # B4gder: what player is being totured there? 13.00.27 # *tortured 13.00.31 # Ondio 13.01.11 # is there already the backlight chip in this Ondio? 13.01.12 # * Jungti1234 laughs. 13.01.30 # is live internet surgery a first timer? 13.01.37 # we should e-mail some papers :P 13.01.44 # hehe :) 13.02.16 # They disappeared suddenly. 13.02.25 # that can't be an ondio.. 13.02.26 # yes 13.02.35 # t0mas : aren't you wrinting in PC review? 13.02.39 # it's not. :) no way.. 13.02.40 # :) 13.02.46 # t0mas: how old are you? 13.02.49 # maybe an iaudio.. 13.02.49 # Moos: Pc-Active 13.02.52 # lostlogic: 17 13.03.01 # midkay: where? 13.03.04 # in exactly 1 month... 18 :D 13.03.08 # Moos, on the table.. 13.03.11 # hehe 13.03.12 # or you mean in the webcam? 13.03.13 # hah, guess I stll look pretty young then.. 13.03.13 # *goes to check* 13.03.22 Part chamois 13.03.23 # * Moos saw ane Ondio 13.03.30 # lostlogic: or just... not that old ;) 13.03.32 # ah. never mind. :) 13.03.42 # :-) 13.04.19 # t0mas: go write one Rockbox review in PC-Active then ;-) 13.04.26 # a bit of propaganda 13.04.28 # ghehe, they won't accept it 13.04.40 # just kinding :) 13.04.42 # but I can write about modding ipods I guess... because that's more mainstream 13.04.50 # boo 13.04.55 # :-) 13.04.59 # so if we have an ipod release, I can try to write about that 13.05.12 # There is toxicity with the picture. 13.05.30 # but hey... I'm normally doing security related things... SSH with privkey, rootkits, secure e-mail, bufferoverflows 13.05.31 # Jungti1234: uh? 13.05.34 # are the last subjects 13.05.41 # ah ok 13.05.41 # I am looking at continuously it. 13.05.45 # turn the camera!! we wanna see the screeeen. 13.05.46 # :) 13.05.57 # haha :D 13.05.58 # the screen? 13.06.07 # at left 13.06.10 # projector.. um.. output? 13.06.10 # :) 13.06.16 # hehe 13.06.20 # that's just showing the image capture program 13.06.28 # rather boring 13.06.39 # looks like flyspray.. i'm wrong i suppose? :) 13.06.53 # the list on the right that you can see are the file names of the captured images 13.07.04 # B4gder: is the Ondio LinusN is soldering have the backlight chip soldered yet? 13.07.13 # I don't know 13.07.17 # ok 13.07.18 # I think it is Jens' unit 13.07.20 # Don't seem well. 13.07.26 # ah 13.07.32 # brb, time to get my breakfast :P 13.07.36 # at 13:07 13.07.43 # B4gder: then it have propably 13.07.56 # t0mas: lunch? 13.08.02 # B4gder, so they're being saved? or is it just a list, no content? 13.08.03 # no 13.08.03 # bon appétit t0mas 13.08.06 # breakfast 13.08.14 # 13:07 is.. 13.08.22 # midkay: they're being captured and uploaded and deleted 13.08.23 Join Hyperbit [0] (n=thecrow@p54BCA6BC.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 13.08.29 # B4gder, haha. ah. 13.08.44 # there's 12 per minute 13.08.47 # 50K each 13.08.56 # I want to see animation(video). 13.09.01 # hehe 13.09.07 # Jungti1234: then start collecting the images :-) 13.09.21 # B4gder: it's just 35 Mb per hour 13.09.24 # not that shocking is it? 13.09.33 # how long do the cvs build servers take for each build (actual, not avg time for each?) 13.09.43 # 60 seconds 13.09.51 # but some are way faster 13.09.54 # B4gder, 600k/min.. 36mb/hr.. 864mb/day.. ~2000mb/conference. that's not so bad. :) 13.09.54 # and others are slower 13.10.10 # still, we don't 13.10.26 # um... 13.10.34 # hmm... maybe might not be soo good adding me then 13.10.35 Quit Hyperbit (Client Quit) 13.10.52 # poor surroundings 13.11.09 # JdGordon: why not? 13.11.28 # colinux... the sim build just took about 2 min... 13.11.46 Join `3nergy [0] (n=3nergy@techgaming.net) 13.11.49 # JdGordon: you use ccache? 13.11.51 # actually prob a bit more... 13.12.04 # ye, just installed it tho.. 13.12.05 # hmmmm just tought there was a fix for the enterkeypad under cygwin :-( 13.12.07 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.12.17 # t0mas: are you April 19th or 20th? 13.12.43 # 19 13.12.49 # Ah damn 13.12.53 # You are 1 day older than me 13.12.55 # Haha 13.12.59 # ghehe 13.13.00 # :) 13.13.21 # now I feel really happy... not the yougnest here 13.13.31 # Just browsing the logs and I saw that, thought it was interesting... Time for sleep... 13.13.36 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 13.13.37 # Glad to be of service t0mas. 13.13.43 # G'night. 13.13.47 Quit aliask (Client Quit) 13.13.47 # haha 13.14.23 # oh 13.14.30 # hmz... in autralia... what date is it there today? 13.14.31 # ohh, it's my birthday soon too \o 13.14.49 # when? 13.14.54 # may 6th 13.14.58 # soon enough, anyway 13.15.00 # :) 13.15.17 # isn't autralia like 1/2 day before CET? 13.15.18 # t0mas, March 19th still... depending on where in Australia 13.15.21 # but im not quite as young as these whippersnappers 13.15.25 # oh 13.15.34 # East coast of aus is +10 on average 13.15.48 # so they're before us? 13.16.11 # so his birthday is 1 day after mine... but that day starts there half a day before here :) 13.16.12 Join tiennou [0] (n=56d1baa9@labb.contactor.se) 13.16.14 # oops 13.16.20 # :O 13.16.43 # well... anyway... brb... breakfast :) 13.16.51 # ~ 13.17.55 # why the hell isnt .bashrc being run on login? 13.18.06 # JdGordon: you're not running bash? 13.18.12 # i am 13.18.27 # i tinhk 13.18.31 Join webguest33 [0] (n=5448f3c8@labb.contactor.se) 13.18.34 # you've got a syntax error somewhere? 13.18.48 # JdGordon: debian? 13.18.54 # oboye 13.19.10 # check in .profile to see if it's being called? 13.19.15 # Hi all. I have seen that there is progress on x5. Is there already a bootloader? 13.19.47 # webguest33: well, almost 13.19.55 # but rockbox doesn't build for x5 yet 13.19.56 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 13.20.00 # so there's nothing to start 13.20.30 # B4gder: good news... thanks 13.21.06 # btw 13.21.07 Quit tiennou (Client Quit) 13.21.13 # my nano is really bloody unstable now 13.21.16 # x5 seems like a popular target, so many questions about it today 13.21.17 # obo: new user i created manually... 13.21.21 # anyone else having it? 13.21.27 # data aborts at every corner 13.21.31 # preglow: which build you using? 13.21.40 # JdGordon: did you copy the files from /etc/skel ?? 13.21.46 # no 13.21.51 # brand new, with some of my own stuff, but i don't think it should affect anything 13.21.56 # heh 13.22.04 # * crashd makes a note not too install bleeding edge today 13.22.06 # obo: usually this should happen when creating the user ... 13.22.12 # i'll try a daily 13.22.21 # on my box .bashrc is sourced by .bash_profile, not .profile 13.22.22 # huh? I just built a cvs nano two hours ago, with some of my own stuff, and it's never been better 13.22.22 # They are watched to us. :D 13.22.26 # bluebrother^: obo: new user i created manually... 13.23.10 # ok, missed that. 13.23.26 # yippe :D it works 13.24.45 Quit webguest33 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.24.52 # bluebrother^: ah, .profile and .bash_profile here - guess that's what you get if you keep updating since 2002 :) 13.25.11 # ooook, it seems i have some bug hunting to do before i commit 13.25.19 # hehe 13.25.22 # problems in your patches preglow ? 13.25.37 # yeah, probably backlight fading 13.25.39 Join Sandoaway [0] (i=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 13.25.51 # oh! didnt know you'd got that working on pod targets 13.25.56 # i have 13.25.58 # did you have to use modulation? 13.26.00 # "copy public key to .ssh directory" ? 13.26.02 # well, yeah 13.26.10 # i have no idea if it supports any hardware fading 13.26.34 # lostlogic: love your clickwheel work 13.27.29 # sup 13.28.09 # but ok, i have enabled backlight fading on ipods, do i really have to bump the config block version for all targets to make it work reliably? 13.30.04 # We have no per-target config block version 13.30.29 # right, so i have to bump the config block version for a one target feature 13.30.37 # or just ask people to reset their settings 13.31.16 # sounds like that should be changed 13.31.24 # myeah 13.31.28 # it'll happen again, that's for sure 13.31.53 # or like, write a system to "upgrade" a config block from an old to a new version 13.32.00 # to big a bother 13.32.03 # there are too many combinations 13.32.06 # *nods* 13.32.16 # besides 13.32.22 # you can just save your config file and load it 13.32.24 # that does that 13.32.25 # The issue will vanish when we switch to using a .cfg file for the current settins 13.32.26 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.32.26 # oh 13.32.30 # okay 13.32.32 # amiconn: sounds good 13.32.39 # amiconn: will we? 13.32.44 # I think so 13.32.49 # good 13.33.02 # shall i just ignore the issue for then, then? 13.33.09 # as soon as i get home i'll dig into porting vexed :) 13.33.15 # Just bump the version, I'd say 13.33.18 # ok 13.33.20 # will do 13.33.27 # * B4gder agrees 13.33.31 # i also got a really strange bug 13.33.37 # i get a data abort at the very start of the uie handler... 13.33.57 # and also at exception vector 4 ... 13.34.15 # and it's a fact, that address is not fetching anything unaligned, it's impossible 13.34.22 # so there's a bug in the exception handling somewhere 13.35.34 # yay, sdl sim is working under vnc and colinux :d 13.37.48 # wow, Christi's tearing through the bugs 13.38.13 # * t0mas is back 13.40.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.42.08 # wb 13.42.46 # * Zagor is setting up a git repository 13.43.16 # git? 13.43.30 # sounds like a retirement home 13.43.34 # as replacement for cvs or? 13.43.35 # * B4gder silently announces that we did go through the entire agenda here 13.43.47 # * [IDC]Dragon logs off 13.44.13 # see you [IDC]Dragon - wave for us! :) 13.44.13 # HCl: as a test, yes. we're looking at either subversion or git. 13.45.42 # Devs: may i commit tetrox? 13.45.55 # i know subversion, never heard of git though 13.46.05 # it's what linux uses 13.46.06 # what are the benefits of subversion/git over cvs? 13.46.11 # HCl, it's what the linux kernel guys used 13.46.11 # uh.. bitkeeper? 13.46.23 # they haven't used bk for a while now 13.46.24 # doesn't linux use bitkeeper? 13.46.25 # HCl: git replaces bitkeeper 13.46.26 # ah. 13.46.36 # i hated bitkeeper 13.46.38 # Linus got sick of the license sniping I think and wrote his own 13.46.45 # sounds good to me 13.46.46 # HCl: larry said 'you can't use bk anymore haha!' 13.46.54 # and linus was like oh shit, and he wrote git in 3 minutes 13.46.57 # grin. 13.47.03 # sounds sensible to me 13.47.08 # i never thought bitkeeper to be a good idea 13.47.18 # closed source and all, or it at least appeared that way 13.47.24 # git is a different scm paradigm from svn though so it'll take some adjusting 13.47.32 # for real... what is the super news that's coming out of devcon? 13.47.36 Quit Jungti1234 () 13.47.40 # DEVS? 13.47.43 # apparently it really made linus' life a lot easier with regards to patches, which is a problem we are faced with too. 13.47.44 # shit I lost the surgery! 13.47.50 # bbl 13.48.15 # elinenbe: we've mostly done a lot of talking. lots of good stuff has been decided. like a release schedule. 13.48.30 # LinusN, Zagor, amiconn, [IDC]Dragon, someone, may i commit tetrox? 13.48.49 # Paprica: does it replace rockblox? 13.48.54 # yep 13.49.07 # with shiny graphics and cool soundtrack? ;-) 13.49.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4837 13.49.39 # soundtrack no, but nice graphics IMO 13.49.52 # * amiconn would prefer to keep the horizontal aspect, at least on archos 13.50.11 # amiconn, did you try it on archos? 13.50.20 # No, not yet 13.50.28 # Paprica: commit it 13.50.28 # Paprica, btw.. i tried it for iPod.. for what it's worth i think spinning the block by scrolling the wheel is a bit touchy and annoying.. 13.50.48 # Btw, I still have rockcalendar in here from testing it. Did you get my remarks? 13.51.01 # Paprica: i assume you've fixed the ipod nano compile issue? 13.51.21 # amiconn, yes, but dont have time to work on it 13.51.28 # Zagor, yes 13.51.29 Join c0utta [0] (n=cbad1f07@labb.contactor.se) 13.51.56 # midkay, do you have another key maping for the ipod? 13.51.59 # any1 know how to get vncserver going when the system boots up? (as a user, not root? ) 13.52.09 # Zagor: you missed on the schedule "speed up rockboy a bit" 13.52.53 # Paprica, for the 4G pad.. menu currently "restarts" the game which IMO is a bit useless.. i'd suggest menu being flip the block.. keep everything else the same.. do away with restart for the 4G pad, or make it select+play perhaps? 13.52.55 # JdGordon - isn't there some vncserver config that defines the user it runs as? 13.53.05 # elinenbe: :-) 13.53.23 # stripwax: i dunno.. thats why im asking 13.53.51 # Zagor, LinusN: what's the current status on the iAudio port? 13.54.07 # midkay, i think that i need to hear another comments about the key maping before i change it 13.54.21 # JdGordon: su username -c vncserver in a custom init script? 13.54.44 # aren't you moments away from a working X5? 13.54.54 # Paprica, feel free to wait.. i just think that spinning the block intentionally is a bit hard to get it in the right orientation.. and you tend to spin it unintentionally as well when moving your fingers around to move the block.. 13.55.01 # elinenbe: from a bootloader, yes 13.55.08 # but not from a rockbox 13.55.28 # the playback code doesn't build on x5 yet for example 13.55.49 # iirc 13.56.10 # Where's langv2 on the realease map? 13.56.14 # release even 13.56.15 # 3.0 13.56.27 # we need it to get sensible strings 13.57.09 # cool. I must have missed it on my first read 13.57.18 # it wasn't there then :-) 13.57.34 # we figured out we had missed that in our discussion yday 13.57.57 # ah 13.58.26 # lousy wiki pages always changing after you read them 13.58.35 # is there something missing with the eq before it can be released? 13.58.44 # i can only think of a couple of things 13.58.59 # Jens is doing some nice stuff with reading / writing disk speed ^^ 13.59.08 # Paprica: fwiw, i like using the scroll for rotating tetris blocks.. 13.59.16 # what is the current status with tagcache? 13.59.53 # amiconn: 1)what happened with the ata timings on iriver; 2) should i be "scared" by the ata write ? 14.00.03 # Mikachu, the current key mapping? 14.00.08 # yeah 14.00.34 # preglow, I was wondering about that too 14.00.37 # Bger: You shouldn't be scared. It underwent quite some testing. 14.01.01 # k;) 14.01.08 # and regarding 1) ? 14.01.19 # I have the ata timing changes applied locally, but we need to make sure we don't exceed the ata specs, and that means connecting the logic analyser 14.01.28 # (which I can't do myself) 14.02.05 # some work for linus, then ;) 14.02.44 # Paprica, midkay: but my scroll wheel is less sensitive than cvs, if you only turn on every third event or so it should improve a lot 14.03.20 # Mikachu, blast you! ;) Paprica, hm, a potential compromise?.. move "restart" to Select+Play (how often do you need to do that anyway?..) and map Menu as an alternate block flip.. 14.03.54 Quit c0utta ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.04.06 # B4gder, was there any talk of a font that will be roughly the same visual size on all targets? 14.04.12 # midkay, ok you right 14.04.19 # Would make it easier to do a relatively resolution independant interface. 14.04.28 # well... easier 14.04.44 # Paprica, you lose no functionality, but it just makes playing a bit easier (IMO of course).. the scroll wheel just seems to be too touchy.. spin a little, doesn't move.. spin a bit more, you've done 3 rotations.. try to spin back.. etc 14.04.46 # elinenbe: i have enough to build a bootloader 14.05.00 # all i need now is an application to load 14.05.02 # Paprica, yay :) 14.05.14 # unfortunately, rockbox doesn't yet build for the x5 14.05.48 Part Clanth 14.05.49 # Bger: What happened with the zoom thingy? 14.06.28 # safetydan: no. we're reather aiming at making more things font independent 14.06.46 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.06.57 # fooooood 14.07.05 # yeah, lunch 14.07.32 Join Massa1 [0] (n=Massa1@85.220.132.199) 14.07.36 # or launch as I say :) 14.07.44 # <[IDC]Dragon> a late lunch 14.07.57 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081A151.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.07.59 # Hi everybody! 14.08.31 # I still think we need a font of known size on all targets. What is the eq graphical screen supposed to do if the user's picked a font for the UI that's too large? 14.08.32 # tacho Massa1 14.08.43 # * safetydan watches devs leave 14.09.01 # so no idea on what the eq needs before release? 14.09.01 # This web cam is more effective than an away message 14.09.11 Join Zoide7777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 14.09.22 # preglow, if you look at the web cam, no one's in front of their screens any more 14.09.23 # yeah we must install one in each dev home 14.09.29 # i wasn't just asking them 14.09.46 # any news on tagcache or grayscale lib for ipod 4g grayscale? 14.10.03 # grayscale lib for ipods is closer now 14.10.04 # k, things I know are problematic with the eq, 1) precision of coefficient generation, 2) the UI isn't scaled for anything other than h100 14.10.07 # I just came back from a trip which lasts a few days - so I'm not really informed on what goes on here! So how is devcon going ;) ? Any big changes? 14.10.08 # since timer.c is ready 14.10.15 # preglow: awesome :) 14.10.20 # Paprica: FWIW, I agree with midkay about the Tetrox button mappings on ipod. Ignore the scrollwheel, use MENU for rotate and forget about restart. 14.10.54 # Massa1: Some nice commits and a release schedule!! 14.11.12 # linuxstb, maybe we need an option - there will probably be a bit of disagreement.. 14.12.38 # I already saw the release schedule and also had a look at the commits - nice stuff :)! Are there any other things which are currently not in "CVS quality" on which the devcon member work behind the scene? 14.12.53 # dunno 14.13.42 # hm, one potential solution that may work nice - initally disable the scroll wheel for rotation, but still scan it - if it's spun around once fully at any point (e.g. 4-6 input events?..).. then enable the usage of the wheel for rotation permanently for that session.. 14.13.44 # asm ata write seems to make no different to file copy speed 14.14.23 # it should 14.14.24 # avoids accidental rotation for MENU rotators.. and still very easily allows touchwheel rotators to jump right in without any combinations to enable the wheel or whatever.. 14.14.30 # if you mean locally on the player 14.14.35 # BTW, I still have some a small and unimprtant problem with my H300 non LCD-remote (which I hoped to be fixed lately - but it isn't) 14.14.42 # preglow, yeah locally with my cut/copy/paste patch 14.14.50 # I think I've hit the drive speed limit 14.15.07 # safetydan: and yeah, we need a prescale 14.15.20 # after the read patch it went from 1.8 to 6.4 MByte/s, I guess it can't go faster 14.15.20 # uh, where can i find the new "party mode"? 14.15.22 # preglow, ah yes 14.15.23 # The detection of the remote Hold button does not work 100%... 14.15.30 # and perhaps bandwidth instead of Q 14.15.56 # sinh() 14.16.05 # yeah, i need to think of something fancy for that 14.16.06 # XavierGr i'll look into it tomorrow maybe 14.16.21 # Hansmaulwurf : in the playback settings 14.16.24 # well I have some spare time soon so I should look at making cordic do what we want 14.16.34 # safetydan: that would be sweet 14.16.56 # I know it can be made to hyperbolic functions along with circular and inverse circular 14.17.05 # yeah, that would be completely sweet 14.18.06 # no promises though, this is stretching my limited recollection of trig from university maths and my fixed point skills :) 14.18.15 # for what do you use hyperbolic functions ? 14.18.48 # skwad, the equation for the relationship between bandwidth and Q in the equalizer requires sinh 14.19.00 # ok, thx 14.19.02 # sorry, cant find it skwad 14.19.17 # or is it only in the last bleeding edge build? 14.19.26 # Hansmaulwurf : I think so 14.19.31 # hm ok 14.19.52 # also 14.19.57 # i think a better resampler should be a release goal 14.20.06 # but i can't promise i'll be able to do it 14.20.31 # What about the guy working on improving crossfeed? 14.20.53 # anything come out of that lately? 14.21.14 # that too is all up to me 14.21.19 # busy man 14.21.21 # the algo is complete, but i haven't had time to do it 14.21.40 # it'll also be a bit tricky to optimise 14.21.44 # it needs to be asm 14.22.07 # we need more dsp people :> 14.22.30 # How many do we have, you and? 14.22.34 # me 14.22.35 # heh 14.22.58 # jlo is a dsp guy, but i don't think he's a coder 14.23.01 # midkay: i'm at level 10 with 212 removed lines and 124380 points... :) 14.23.15 # Mikachu, wow :) 14.23.23 # so scroll wheel works fine 14.23.32 # Mikachu, your reduced version? :) 14.23.38 # yeah 14.23.52 # i thought the wheel was generally too sensitive a while ago, i changed the delta checks in button.c from 4 to 10 14.24.19 Join BoD[] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 14.24.24 # Hello :) 14.24.24 # if you want a testimonial.. i was playing a game a few nights ago of tetrox.. it was piling up, finally i got the I brick that i really needed, but the scroll wheel flipped it twice when i only wanted it once, and i ran out of time.. it caused me to lose. 14.24.27 # :) 14.24.37 # hey BoD[] 14.24.47 # are they sleeping? 14.24.59 # lunch 14.25.01 # with PCs/lights on? doubt it :) 14.25.07 # ah !! wow 14.25.11 # did they sleep at all??? 14.25.21 # * Paprica just commit tetrox 14.25.30 # Paprica, did you hear what i said earlier? 14.25.32 # the suggestion 14.25.40 # i change the mapping 14.25.51 # after that, about scroll wheel "detection".. 14.26.08 # oh no 14.26.14 # Paprica, hm, one potential solution that may work nice - initally disable the scroll wheel for rotation, but still scan it - if it's spun around once fully at any point (e.g. 4-6 input events?..).. then enable the usage of the wheel for rotation permanently for that session.. 14.26.22 # avoids accidental rotation for MENU rotators.. and still very easily allows touchwheel rotators to jump right in without any combinations to enable the wheel or whatever.. 14.26.29 # sounds _perfect_ to me.. 14.27.15 # this is the mapping now 14.27.17 # http://pastebin.com/610552 14.27.56 # Paprica, that sounds fine - but i think detecting the scroll wheel is a better idea if you were up to it. 14.28.20 # no "accidents" with people who prefer MENU; no combinations/toggles for the wheel preferers. 14.29.29 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 14.29.39 # i'll think about that, i dont have more time today for rockbox things, i have a test tomorrow at the school 14.29.49 # i need to learn =] 14.30.03 # Paprica, that's cool - i can try it tomorrow myself if you don't mind.. :) 14.30.16 # try it and send a patch 14.30.17 # ] 14.30.18 Quit Zoide7777 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.30.21 # =] 14.30.33 # Zagor: can u change party mode to get it to que next.. not que last? 14.30.43 # Paprica, or commit it myself? :) 14.30.46 # or add the choice as an option? 14.30.58 # you have commit access? 14.31.19 # Paprica, no, give me your account name/pass ;) j/k, yes, i do 14.31.23 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 14.31.36 # =] 14.32.02 # ok so commit it if no one against it 14.32.05 # is it possible to use variables in lang files ? 14.32.13 # no 14.32.21 # skwad, yeah sort of with sprintf 14.32.33 # well, yeah, but that's a fixed variable set in the c file 14.32.34 # Mikachu: Don't you think the scroll events are the wrong way round for Tetrox? i.e. rotate right should be scroll forward. 14.32.51 # Paprica, it sounds very good to me.. i can't imagine any complaints 14.33.16 # because there are some strings with written : press on to accept and off to cancel, but when you dont have on / off buttons .... 14.33.26 # skwad: that'll be fixed in langv2 14.33.35 # ok 14.33.58 # so I should wait a little bit to update a lang file, no ? 14.34.18 # no, update the lang file, but use ON and OFF instead of what they're truly called 14.34.27 # midkay: I would be happy if you removed the scroll support completely, so I wouldn't complain about such a commit. 14.34.32 # just follow the conventions that are in there alrady, even though it's not correct 14.35.18 Quit tayeb ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 14.35.28 # preglow : but these are player specific, aren't they ? 14.35.29 # linuxstb, right, my goal would be to effectively remove it for us elitist menu rotators.. but still allow it to be used for people who prefer it that way.. you shouldn't notice its presence unless you intend to use it, ideally. 14.35.35 # :) 14.35.38 # midkay: 200380 :) 14.35.46 # What's this about removing scroll support? 14.35.53 # Paul_The_Nerd, for the tetrox plugin.. 14.35.56 # linuxstb: no i think they're right 14.36.39 # oh hey paul 14.36.42 # Paul_The_Nerd, currently scrolling left/right rotates the brick.. some seem to prefer it that way, me and linuxstb prefer menu to flip the block.. so i proposed reading the scroll wheel and when a few events from it stack up, enable its usage.. (disabled by default).. 14.36.47 # Paul_The_Nerd, do you have battery reading working okay on your nano? 14.37.02 # midkay: Ah, okay. I just saw "removes scroll support" and was all thinking of other things. 14.37.11 # safetydan: It seems pretty reliable, yes 14.37.21 # linuxstb: you rotate the finger in the same way the piece rotates.. 14.37.22 # Paul_The_Nerd, ah, i'm also set out to kill scroll support in the menus, yes.. problem? :) 14.37.42 # wheel is still set to rotate? 14.37.44 # midkay: I was just trying to figure out what you meant by "elitist menu flippers" 14.38.00 # Paul_The_Nerd, haha. are you a menu flipper or a scroll flipper? 14.38.16 # Paul_The_Nerd, do you think the battery settings should be enabled in CVS for nano? 14.38.23 # paul_the_nerd: I pasted some lines from config-ipodvideo.h into config-ipodnano.h in a naive fashion and the battery indicator seems to mostly work 14.38.25 # midkay: If I played, I'd be a menu flipper. I need *one* button to flip, and it needs to rotate 90 degrees in one direction every time. 14.38.29 # Someone was here earlier wonder about that 14.38.29 # ah 14.38.31 # if you're a scroll flipper (rotator).. you're just too pathetic to understand the ways of the menu flippers. :) 14.38.31 # there they are 14.38.47 # i really like this way of flipping, i always have trouble with the one-button approach 14.38.48 # there's some very slight inaccuracy in the endpoints near 0% and 100% but othe than that it seems fine 14.38.55 # Paul_The_Nerd, ah, good. i was worried for a moment. :) 14.39.03 # safetydan: Definitely. There is an issue that at "full" charge, it can show anywhere from 90% to 100%, but I think that's because the reading just isn't very accurate. The apple firmware seems to be the same way 14.39.18 # another thing is that level 10 is much too easy, but that's for later :) 14.39.26 # Kummer: Yeah, the apple firmware seems pretty inaccurate anyway, though. 14.39.58 # i can actually vouch for that 90% thing, now that you mention it - i never see my ipod 5G at 100% - even after an overnight charge, apple OS always shows one level down from max.. 14.40.26 # well, now we just need to get lostlogic to commit it then :) 14.40.40 # safetydan: Anyway, 5865 *seems* to work fine as a scale factor, though I believe the batteries are like, 330mah so the menu where you set the capacity can't even go that low. ;-) 14.41.10 # I actively experimented with other scale factors and didn't find any other ones as good as 5865 14.41.35 # Paul_The_Nerd, 330mah, really? 14.42.02 # midkay: Yep. I've even found services that'll replace 'em with a 400. 14.42.07 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 14.42.36 # Paul_The_Nerd, nice.. i guess that the menu should be changed to go that low, then? 14.42.47 # Mikachu: Yes - rotating the wheel clockwise (i.e. forward) should be rotating right... But it rotates left. 14.42.49 # you can measure the increase in battery life under 400 and use that to estimate the capacity of the original battery 14.42.57 # wow, the 5g uses just 330mah batteries?! how long do they last between charges in practice? 14.43.03 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 14.43.08 # stripwax: No, the Nano uses 330 14.43.08 # nano not 5g 14.43.12 Join hypno2 [0] (n=522788ce@labb.contactor.se) 14.43.13 # ah! oops 14.43.23 # * stripwax shuts up 14.43.35 # I get about 9 hours battery under rockbox 14.43.56 # hey there, just letting you guys know that the devcon webcam doesnt seem to be working correctly at this moment 14.44.26 # keeps refreshing every 5 seconds, but no image is loaded 14.44.45 # maybe taken down? 14.45.20 Quit hypno2 (Client Quit) 14.45.28 # I wonder if the 1GB and 2GB nanos have different batteries than 4GB 14.46.01 # midkay: Well, right now the Nano uses the 1300MAH define, which I'm not entirely too sure about since even though most of the values seem to work, seems like it'd cause confusion. 14.46.10 Join puppet_ [0] (n=puppet@1-1-3-3d.ox.mlm.bostream.se) 14.46.16 Part puppet_ 14.46.32 # Paul_The_Nerd, you mean the display is scaled to work with 1300mah? 14.46.49 # linuxstb: that's odd... maybe i changed it then 14.47.42 # Paul_The_Nerd, in other words.. lowering it would throw off the displayed value? 14.48.21 # I raised it all the way up to 3200mAh and the percentages didn't change noticeably 14.48.31 # midkay: I really don't know. I'm not sure what raising and lowering the value in the menus changes, honestly. I think it just changes what it estimates as "Time Remaining" but I'm not sure 14.49.00 # Paul_The_Nerd, ah, maybe that's right - i know it changes that, but i'm not sure about the displayed value.. 14.49.17 # displayed value being icon/% 14.49.27 # midkay: I'm just referring to #define CONFIG_BATTERY BATT_LIPOL1300 in the config-ipodnano file, as a seemingly bad name. 14.50.02 # not to mention the ipodbatteryfaq website claims nanos use Li-ion, not polymer 14.50.46 # Paul_The_Nerd, right, i'm talking about lowering the min limit in the MAH selection screen to select the appropriate value for other batteries (in this case iPods).. but i'll leave it alone for now, since i'm not sure how the system is setup for display and what changing the mah value will do exactly 14.51.24 # http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html 14.52.09 # midkay: Yeah, at the moment it's not a matter of urgency anyway. Since the estimated time remaining is probably way off either way 14.52.21 # Paul_The_Nerd, haha, yes :) 14.52.39 # As a note, how do I set the date/time at the command prompt in linux? This vmware machine seems to be a little bit in the future, and complaining every now and then after a cvs update. 14.52.44 # the apple website also says nanos use li-ion iirc 14.53.01 # rdate -s -p time.nist.gov 14.53.01 # it talks about charge cycles and not being emptied completely not being a problem etc 14.53.19 # you shouldn't use that server... it's not polite :) 14.53.26 # oh sorry 14.53.29 Join herz42 [0] (n=herz42@p549FFE86.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.53.30 # Kummer: no rdate. It's a very minimal debian installation. Also, I guess I need to set the time zone. 14.53.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: ln -s /usr/share/timezone/correctfile /etc/localtime 14.53.58 # * Paul_The_Nerd is weeding out various problems with the vmware rockbox kit. 14.54.06 # er 14.54.09 # that should be zoneinfo 14.54.12 # not timezone 14.54.13 # date -s "Mar 19 08:53:43 EST" 14.54.19 # -s meaning set 14.54.40 # it should get the time from the host correctly though 14.55.29 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 14.56.57 # Mikachu: It's possible it's just in the wrong timezone that's causing it. 14.57.17 # if the minute and seconds then it's just the timezone 14.57.59 # Mikachu: Actually, it couldn't be... because the complaint was always that the files were about 420 seconds in the future. 14.59.33 # Yeah, I just rebooted it, and it set its clock from my system clock for 18 minutes in the past... 14.59.44 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day (Client Quit) 15.00.46 # where is the sncviewer plugin located on rockbox cvs ? 15.00.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: tzsetup 15.01.01 # I don't believe sncviewer is included in CVS. 15.01.08 # where can i find it then ? 15.01.21 # There's a patch for it in the patch tracker, I think 15.01.25 # ok 15.01.27 # obo: Tzsetup isn't present. 15.01.28 # thanks ! 15.01.43 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 15.02.30 # doh - tzconfig 15.04.17 # who is dhcp87.contactor.se and what are you doing? 15.04.36 # obo: Not present either. 15.04.47 # i want smaller backlight fade times :/ 15.04.58 # preglow: What's the lower limit? 15.05.02 # 0.5s 15.05.06 # which is a bit too long 15.05.22 # do you have ipod fading going yet? 15.05.31 # You can't just half the number of steps or anything? 15.05.31 # yes 15.05.38 # If it's that fast, how flickery does it look? 15.05.57 # it's fine on all but the longest times 15.06.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: i can't find the patch in the tracker 15.06.12 # it isn't flickery, it the fade just looks a bit stepped at the longer times 15.06.26 # i get the strangest bloody crash addresses evetr 15.07.17 # my mobile phone flickers when it fades the light down 15.08.01 # MarcoPolo: I dunno then. Maybe they haven't submitted it to the tracker for some reason. 15.08.35 # preglow: What makes the lower limit a limit? 15.09.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: nothing 15.09.51 # the times are preset 15.10.25 # Aaah 15.11.39 # there's something decidedly funky with my build indeed 15.12.25 # "Funky?" 15.12.39 Join skwad_ [0] (n=P4@lns-bzn-55-82-255-183-200.adsl.proxad.net) 15.12.47 # it crashes at the oddest addresses 15.13.02 # skwad: around? 15.13.21 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 15.13.57 # it crashes a lot in the jpeg viewer 15.14.05 # even with my fade code disabled 15.14.37 # So, something else is broken? 15.14.46 # apparently 15.14.56 # hmmm 15.15.40 # i think i've got an idea... 15.15.45 # two, actually 15.15.47 # let's pray it's that 15.17.19 # ahh, praised be the lord 15.17.34 # my memtest16 is buggy 15.18.15 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Odd36.o.pppool.de) 15.18.16 # * preglow summons amiconn 15.18.28 # forget it, i found test_mem again 15.18.45 # spongebob is flying! 15.18.56 # too much lsd for you! 15.19.55 # and he acomplished the feat by using a hair dryer. in water. to fill his pants with air. 15.20.48 # hehe, that's brilliant 15.21.23 # and mr krabs got him to clean his garage... 15.21.53 # Apparently the announced feature freeze has created a small "OMG are they stopping working on H300 for a month" panic. :) 15.22.44 # :P 15.24.07 # I seem to remember H100 improvements happening during the last one. 15.24.31 Quit Genre9mp3 () 15.24.40 # otoh bug fixing is an improvement :) 15.24.49 # Those were the improvements I was talking about 15.24.51 # waht does the "feature freeze" means? 15.24.57 # "what" 15.25.02 # davinci: Stop adding new things, and fix the ones already there 15.25.30 # wonder if that includes the "auto change directory" bug ... 15.25.56 # stripwax it should include *all* known bugs 15.26.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: what's the reason for that? 15.26.19 # Bger - woohoo! ;-) 15.26.28 # no one knows where this patch can be found. the topic was active yesterday. and all links i find on the net refers to this topic. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2372.0 15.26.39 # of course, fixing from the most serious down to the least one 15.27.11 # davinci: So that they can fix most of the bugs, and release a "stable" version 15.27.39 # MarcoPolo: It seems to be attached to that post 15.28.03 # test_mem says memset16 works correctly all of a sudden 15.28.15 # "Stop adding new things, and fix the ones already there" means they stop adding new features and fixing the old ones. Good idea :) 15.28.16 # it's lying! 15.28.28 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 15.28.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: oh, ok, I had to be logged in to see the attachment 15.29.31 # hmm... kind of odd, i never get a complete 100% charge, always around 95% or 90% 15.29.31 # * Paul_The_Nerd mutters. 15.29.46 # VMWare is beginning to irritate me. 15.30.01 Quit skwad (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.30.04 # The clock is all kinds of annoying. 15.32.17 Quit skwad_ ("Parti") 15.32.27 Join skwad_ [0] (n=P4@lns-bzn-55-82-255-183-200.adsl.proxad.net) 15.32.39 # grrrrr i can't recover my nick 15.33.03 # preglow: We're back 15.33.18 Quit Spida_ ("reboot") 15.33.20 # sharpe: what device? 15.33.23 # amiconn but not the webcam ... 15.33.37 # there is a conspiracy! 15.33.40 # :D 15.33.52 # ipod video 15.34.07 # That memory leak in the cam software again... 15.34.11 # heheh, 24mhz is apparantly not fast enough to decode mp3s in real time... :) 15.34.49 # hmm 15.35.25 # amiconn: test_mem says my asm memtest16 when it makes all kinds of odd behaviour, do you know of any errors it wouldn't notice? 15.35.36 # amiconn: insert 'is correct' where makes sense 15.36.06 # Hmm, not that I know of 15.36.32 # it's really weird, it seems memset16 is the cause of all the really weird data aborts 15.36.42 # abort at uie, abort at exception vector, the list goes on 15.37.28 # How could memset16() cause a data abort in UIE()? 15.37.46 # i think i'll go insanse if i ever know 15.37.53 # it probably corrupts something 15.37.54 # The only place that uses memset16() is the lcd 16 bit driver 15.38.14 # Hmm, perhaps 15.38.29 # and yeah, if i remember correctly, memset16 assumes the pointer is aligned by 2, yes? 15.38.35 # 'cause i don't handle that 15.38.51 # yes, it assumes word aligment 15.40.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.43.36 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.47 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 15.45.03 # Maaan. You're not allowed to check off anything on the ReleaseToDo until April 3rd. You people are supposed to be pushing in new features all the way up to the line. :-P 15.45.22 # yeh, never gets completely up to 100%, only around 97-98% hmm... 15.45.55 # sharpe: What kind of iPod? 15.46.01 # video 15.46.09 # sharpe: Also, are you charging in rockbox, or in Apple OS then rebooting to rockbox? 15.46.19 # rockbox 15.46.42 # Odd 15.47.24 # devcon people: you list eq in the 'freeze until fully implemented' list for 3.0, any issues in particular you were thinking about? 15.49.50 # sharpe: forget the percentage 15.49.58 # sharpe: it's not calibrated yet 15.50.34 # 'kays. 15.50.53 # sharpe: the voltage readings are calculated from the battery based on the datasheet formula (which may or may not exactly match) but we still haven't done any battery discharge vs. time graphing to determine the full charge / discharge cycle voltage readings to correlate to percentages 15.51.06 # hmm 15.51.24 # sounds like something i should do. 15.51.31 # sharpe: sure! 15.51.32 Join bluebrother_ [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 15.51.46 # preglow: getting the swcodec status in a good shape is a big piece 15.52.13 # indeed, and also has nothing to do with the eq, which is what i'm wondering about :> 15.52.27 # ah 15.52.35 # the eq is only mentioned since that is going in 15.52.45 # rightieo 15.52.54 # I don't think anyone meant that anything in particular is outstanding for it 15.54.52 Quit bluebrother^ (Read error: 60 (Operation timed out)) 15.55.50 # LinusN does the proper init of the backlight pin of the pcf50606 has any connection with the power issues ? 15.56.05 # i couple of things are, just wondered if you had anything new in mind 15.56.08 # i=a 15.56.57 # Bger: nope 15.57.02 # of couple of things are what? 15.57.18 # outstanding 15.57.21 # needs fixing 15.57.25 # etc 15.57.40 Part davinci 15.57.44 # * Paul_The_Nerd suddenly gets the Mayday pun. 15.57.52 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Odd36.o.pppool.de) 15.58.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: its a double pun even 15.58.07 # * sharpe doesn't. 15.58.18 # we had loooots of fun with that german commercial 15.58.19 # like a better sin(), volume prescaler, and bandwidth instead of q adjustment 15.58.23 # Aaaah 15.58.28 # Such a wonderful commercial 15.58.35 # Vhat are you sinking? 15.58.44 # * B4gder giggles 15.59.10 # preglow: yes, but none of that is really a MUST for 3.0 are they? 15.59.15 # But when I saw "Planned for Mayday" in my inbox relating to one of the flyspray emails, I just went "oooooh.... mayday." 15.59.40 # Cassandra's clever code name 15.59.44 # ah, what do you guys think about a "centric" place (as in dir) for all settings/plugin settins|records etc ... ? 15.59.52 # B4gder: the first is 15.59.58 # B4gder: and the second, imhop 16.00.17 # feel free to add to the wiki page 16.00.34 # nah, i'm already going to fix them anyway 16.01.08 # but time to catch the train home, later 16.01.34 # I'm off too 16.01.37 Quit B4gder ("I'm not actually leaving. I'm just... eh, back soon!") 16.01.38 Nick bluebrother_ is now known as bluebrother^ (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.06.17 Join egotrippen [0] (n=c7616225@labb.contactor.se) 16.06.50 Join elinenbe_work [0] (n=d1c4c007@labb.contactor.se) 16.07.26 # heh, AAAA batteries... 16.07.32 # Task closed, task reopened... My inbox is being battered 16.08.40 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.09.40 # <[IDC]Dragon> Bagder's family is here 16.10.33 # nice! 16.11.09 # <[IDC]Dragon> but camera-shy 16.12.53 # Paprica: Button assigment problems in tetrox on Ondio :( 16.14.19 Quit zoneout ("Leaving") 16.14.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> here she is 16.14.54 # ah cool 16.15.04 # So that's the youngest Rockbox developer then? 16.15.10 # * t0mas imagines a little kid with an iriver ;) 16.15.10 Quit elinenbe_work ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.15.19 # safetydan: maybe I am? 16.15.30 Join lefright [0] (n=5087f668@labb.contactor.se) 16.15.36 # at least I think I'm the youngest with cvs access... 16.15.43 # but I don't know all others 16.15.46 # cute little Badger 16.16.06 # Well Bagder could give his daughter CVS access... though I'm not sure how well that would work out 16.16.15 # ghehe 16.16.24 # doll house tertix 16.16.26 # <[IDC]Dragon> he should give her a t-shirt first 16.16.38 # t-shirt? tent ;) 16.19.25 # what if i'm the youngest? :) 16.19.48 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.21.20 # christi looks industrious all the time, wonder whats on her screen ? 16.21.34 # Flyspray 16.22.02 # is there a bug problem in sweden 16.22.09 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-180.bna.bellsouth.net) 16.22.22 # She's closing a lot of the old bugs, and updating others to "Due in 3.0" etc 16.22.59 # good old admin work 16.23.21 # hmm... so far, battery discharge is at 86 % 16.23.39 # wait, that doesn't sound right. 16.25.33 # battery charge is at 86%... that's better. 16.27.25 Part LinusN 16.30.06 Quit bluebrother^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.38.12 Part lefright 16.41.07 Join webguest80 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 16.43.16 # good Cassandra, good :) 16.44.48 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.48.14 Nick BoD[] is now known as BoD[away] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 16.48.54 Join elinenbe_work [0] (n=d1c4c007@labb.contactor.se) 16.49.45 # Cassandra: I saw that you closed this bug - http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4724 - but I'm still experiencing that problem on both my 5g and 4g Color iPod with the current CVS. 16.51.24 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.52.08 # * t0mas yawns 16.52.14 # boring sunday afternoon 16.52.41 # it's a boring... everyday for me. 16.53.27 # well... get something todo :) 16.53.35 # heh, i'm trying... 16.53.42 # * t0mas normally has a problem with only 24 hours a day 16.53.53 # 48 would be better :P 16.54.17 # do anyone ever use the return value of memset? :> 16.54.26 # what does it return? 16.54.30 # wow, it's only 11 o'clock here... 16.54.37 # i'm guessing it returns a value... 16.54.38 # memset returns the start address 16.54.42 # ah 16.54.45 # no, never used that 16.54.53 # 'cause that's the only bug i have that i can find 16.54.53 # I already have the start value... 16.54.55 # i don't return that 16.55.06 # i never realized it returned the start address 16.55.33 # i just remembered it 16.55.56 # preglow: Since memset16() is our own stuff, we can leave out the return value 16.56.19 # memset() should behave as specified though 16.56.26 # yeah, but the memset doesn't either 16.56.45 # and to make it do that, i either have to recode everything to make it traverse memory backwards 16.56.50 # or stack the address value 16.57.14 # preglow: A quick grep in apps/ and firmware/ doesn't show anything that uses the return value from memset 16.57.28 # no, that's what it looked like to me too 16.57.32 # but then i'm stumped 16.57.50 # test_mem says my memset16 is correct, i can't see any bugs, but yet, it crashes rockbox in the oddest ways 16.57.58 # You could just write a C wrapper function that calls your asm memset. 16.58.20 Quit hubbel () 16.58.20 # and lose performance? never! 17.01.29 Quit egotrippen ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.04.48 # <[IDC]Dragon> gentlemen, we have voice on ipod! 17.04.51 Quit Massa1 ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20050915]") 17.04.59 # * Paul_The_Nerd cheers 17.05.00 # <[IDC]Dragon> all credits to Jens 17.05.09 # Hurray. All we need now is some voice files... 17.05.19 # <[IDC]Dragon> they're the same 17.05.36 # I didn't think there were any up-to-date voice files available? 17.06.02 # preglow: You don't need to actually stack the start address 17.06.24 # It should still be on the stack at the end of the function, so just fetch it a second time 17.06.42 # amiconn: arm doesn't pass args on the stack 17.07.05 # oh 17.07.08 # ok 17.08.58 # and right now i only use the stack (for preserving one reg) for large memsets, and i'd like to keep it like that 17.09.00 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 17.09.12 # heh, hadn't updated cvs in a few days... conflicts galore but all resolved now 17.09.42 # anywho, recoding memset to set memory backwards won't be very hard, i'll just do that 17.10.12 # i assume the pp chip doesn't have any cache prefetch i can break by doing that anyway 17.11.05 Join DrumRBoy320 [0] (n=Drumrboy@ool-44c2019c.dyn.optonline.net) 17.11.21 # Paprica: tetrox needs a highscore table! :) 17.14.55 # all the games should have a high score table :-) 17.15.01 Nick elinenbe_work is now known as elinenbe (n=d1c4c007@labb.contactor.se) 17.15.10 # Paprica iirc, there is a highscore api .. 17.16.58 # where do I find all features supported by basic rockbox? (without patches) (sorry, I still have n00b questions) 17.18.03 # davinci in the wiki :) 17.18.07 # and in the manual .. 17.20.00 Quit skwad_ ("Parti") 17.22.46 # when does devcon2006 end? 17.23.03 # today 17.25.01 # Bger: what about features like WPS tags added into CVS? http://www.rockbox.org/manual/rec-general.html is offline? 17.25.23 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-27-237.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.26.20 # Are the devcon rumors true? 17.26.41 # doom and gameboy are playable on rockbox? 17.26.42 # which rumours? 17.27.01 # err... gameboy games have been playable for a while 17.27.02 # elinenbe: Gameboy's been playable on rockbox for ages... 17.27.02 # there are payable for ages 17.27.11 # ;) 17.27.14 # elinenbe: And there's been a doom patch in the tracker for several weeks. 17.27.17 # sounds like Doom will get included in official builds soonish, but it's been available as a patch for ages 17.27.19 # I mean SNES and Plasystation! 17.27.24 # and Quake! 17.27.25 # Hahaha 17.27.45 Quit DrumRBoy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.28.51 # let's port quake to rockbox everyone! :P 17.29.28 # * [IDC]Dragon gives up on the Archos wav for now 17.29.28 # midkay: okay, i've got 633 lines and 410780 points now (same round) :) 17.29.48 # safetydan: i'm going to commit some 64 bit related changes to dsp code now, would you be as king as to check if the eq still works on 32 bit sims? 17.29.57 # can do 17.30.45 # * safetydan awaits preglow's 64-bit changes 17.30.51 # make a change of pace from staring at cordic stuff 17.31.14 # preglow: can i just comment out the ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ line to compile without support for it? 17.31.53 # Mikachu: yes 17.32.19 # Mikachu: as long as you're talking in the config header file 17.32.24 # yeah 17.32.42 # just commenting out one of the ifdef lines is probably not a good idea :) 17.33.11 # * amiconn says goodbye from devcon 17.33.15 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 17.33.20 # Is adjustible cpu frequency causing problems? 17.33.23 # safetydan: eq sounds wrong here, see 17.33.33 # safetydan: and i'm wondering if that too is a 64 bit problem 17.33.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, responsiveness is shite with it enabled 17.33.54 # preglow, it's entirely possible it is wrong as I didn't check it that closely 17.34.07 # safetydan: it gives one hell of a boost to the volume here 17.34.12 # preglow: Well yeah. I was just curious if it was causing actual problems. 17.34.14 # hrm, that I don't remember 17.34.46 # preglow: Has any thought been given to just causing a boost on a timer, similar to backlight coming on when a button is pressed? 17.35.14 Join diablo_ipod [0] (n=5647897c@labb.contactor.se) 17.36.18 # i'd rather we didn't do that 17.36.18 Quit webguest80 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 17.36.21 # it hides the problem 17.37.03 # but sure, a very simple of way of boosting eq responsiveness is just boosting when the backlight is on 17.37.12 # that way you'll always be responsive when the gui is in use 17.37.16 # s/eq/gui/ 17.37.24 # preglow, seems okay here 17.37.36 # safetydan: ok, i pretty much know what's wrong, then 17.37.40 # preglow: but that has problems if backlight is always on or always off 17.37.46 # Mikachu: indeed 17.37.47 # only looked at the low shelf filter though 17.37.53 # safetydan: try a peaker as well 17.38.00 # preglow: Well, I wasn't specifically meaning when the backlight was on, because some people just disable it. But Is there really a "problem" with the GUI responsiveness, or is it just a little too taxing for the speed the cpu's at? 17.38.12 # wow, i got 953 unique ips for the webcam 17.38.52 # taxing 17.38.56 # we need to speed it up 17.39.01 # and there are lots of ways of doing that 17.39.03 # just needs doing 17.39.06 # hello ! Can I ask you just a few questions about rockbox on ipod ? 17.39.53 # preglow, peak seems fine as well 17.40.00 # sure 17.40.11 # can't guarantee they're accurate since I didn't measure it, but it defintely affects the sound in the "right" way 17.40.13 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-075-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.40.28 # <[IDC]Dragon> say goodby to the webcam 17.40.30 # safetydan: then it's accurate 17.40.34 # goodbye :/ 17.40.36 # byebye 17.40.37 # diablo_ipod: Ask away 17.40.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.40.42 # bye bye webcam 17.40.43 # * Mikachu removes ftp account 17.41.00 # devcon over? 17.41.50 # I have problems saving cfg files on a ipod 4g grayscale 17.42.30 # diablo_ipod: What sort of problems? 17.43.03 # everytime time i try to save a cfg file, like eq settings or theme setting, it doesn't create files, so i cannot save it... 17.43.17 # and it's problematic, isn'it ? :D 17.44.01 Quit lodesi ("Leaving") 17.44.36 Mode "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 17.44.42 # diablo_ipod: Does it actually say 'Settings Saved" when you do it? 17.44.49 Topic "Rockbox - The mp3 player firmware" by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 17.44.58 Join pench [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 17.45.07 Quit pench (Client Quit) 17.46.44 # can someone change the devcon page to not point to me anymore? 17.46.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: I think cygwin is now installed just like it has to be :) 17.46.52 # do we have ogg playback on ipods already? 17.46.56 # yes 17.47.00 # si 17.47.00 # all? 17.47.04 # or some of them? 17.47.07 # davinci: Have you gotten the build to work? 17.47.08 # t0mas, all that we support 17.47.08 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.47.09 # nano works 17.47.29 # just a second, i connect via mIRC 17.47.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: I got cygwin to look like the one one the scrrenshot :D 17.47.48 # davinci: Good, then. 17.48.00 # t0mas: All ipods that have audio support in rockbox, yes. 17.48.07 # ok 17.48.07 # t0mas: we've had that since audio was enabled 17.48.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'll try to compile it in about an hour 17.48.20 # davinci: Good luck 17.48.33 # <[IDC]Dragon> goodby, this has been devcon 17.48.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: but you was the one helped me, thnk you one more time 17.48.42 Quit diablo_ipod ("CGI:IRC") 17.48.52 # <[IDC]Dragon> this notebook is the last to be packed 17.49.00 # [IDC]Dragon: have a nice trip back 17.50.27 Join diablo_ipod [0] (i=diablo_i@86.71.137.124) 17.50.29 # <[IDC]Dragon> thanks 17.50.49 # would anyone here with a working m68k crosscompiler care to test a patch for me? 17.50.49 # lostlogic: the stopping at ends of menus until you release and touch again is pretty neat 17.50.51 # yes it displays settings saved 17.51.04 # preglow: Sure. 17.51.13 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.51.14 # excuse my bad english, i'm french :) 17.51.22 # are they not in /.rockbox/ ? 17.51.31 # diablo_ipod: And it doesn't create a file in /.rockbox/? 17.51.40 # lostlogic: and i updated the patch, seems to work fine still 17.51.49 # no, they aren't.. 17.51.52 Part davinci 17.51.54 # <[IDC]Dragon> cu 17.52.01 Quit [IDC]Dragon (" The IRC Client of the Gods! -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- HydraIRC") 17.52.04 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nico404@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 17.52.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: you can test it on your nano as well, if you can be bothered 17.52.19 # preglow: No problem. Point me to it. :) 17.52.28 # when i want to load a cfg file, it displays "no cfg files !" 17.52.32 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 17.52.41 # preglow, I can build for m68k as well 17.52.52 # diablo_ipod: And you're going to "Manage Settings" to save it? 17.53.03 # yes 17.53.12 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/super_backlight.patch 17.53.15 # test that 17.53.37 # backlight fading should work on ipod nano, and should also work like before on h120 17.54.05 # that's a lot of #elif 17.54.30 # and just another question : do you have a idea for when the battery indicator will be implemented ? :) 17.54.32 # wow... 108 mails from the patch tracker :-o ... some people have been busy during the devcon 17.54.41 # diablo_ipod: I really don't know.. the config saving works on the Nano for me, at least. 17.55.09 # and btw 17.55.15 # it's bork your settings 17.55.32 # i will retry on my ipod when it'il come back from repair... :-/ 17.55.50 # preglow, yeah I saw the config block version change 17.56.08 # i've an idea! 17.56.18 # Anything in particular to look for? Or it should just work? 17.56.36 # just enable fading 17.56.37 # and it shoudl 17.57.17 # First try works fine 17.57.49 # on which device? 17.57.53 # h120 17.57.55 # excellent 17.58.07 # 2s and 500ms look fine to me 17.58.11 # i'll just go ahead and commit it, then 17.58.28 # anyone who wants to try backlight fading for their platform can just enable a define now 17.58.37 # is there a way to tweak some things to get the recording from headphone jack instead of a line out ? 17.58.54 # and a last thing : i just want to thank you for the fabulous work you do ! The forum where i am ( generationmp3.com ) loves rockbox, everybody says that your firmware is the best ! 17.59.09 # preglow: i'm trying it on my nano too 17.59.25 # * Paul_The_Nerd complains that his compiles are still too slow 17.59.53 # preglow, yeah it looks fine on h120, music plays, backlight fades, plugins work, backlight fades 17.59.55 # it's all good 18.00.09 # preglow: it works :) 18.00.09 # preglow: Since safetydan tested H120, I went straight to Nano. Looks good there. 18.00.15 # diablo_ipod, good to hear people like it 18.00.37 # excellent 18.00.39 # i'll just commit it 18.01.01 # is it a simple linear decrease of intensity? 18.01.40 # the last part when it goes off looks sort of faster 18.01.50 Quit diablo_ipod () 18.02.06 # anyone here got a 5g? 18.02.23 # Mikachu: i think it's a simple linear fade, yeah, and we might want to change that 18.02.24 # and i agree there should be a 250ms option at least 18.02.29 # Mikachu: i think apple's fade looks nicer 18.02.33 # i've a 5g 18.02.46 # sharpe: would you mind trying that patch for me? 18.02.52 # ah, sure 18.03.06 # you just need to add a #define HAVE_BACKLIGHT_PWM_FADING to config-ipodvideo.h 18.03.10 # then you're ready to see if it works 18.03.12 # okay 18.03.54 # linuxstb: btw, the backlight code for 4g seems to imply that it fades the backlight off, is that so? 18.09.26 # sharpe: any luck? 18.12.19 # preglow: Yes, it does fade out. 18.12.36 # eh, had to go do something, patching it now :) 18.12.54 # linuxstb: what about fade in? 18.13.38 # so there's no point in making ipod 4g use this code 18.14.30 # I _think_ it's fading in. But very quickly. 18.14.58 # preglow: i agree 18.16.00 # linuxstb: tried tweaking the value it uses around? 18.17.08 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 18.17.18 Quit MarcoPolo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.18.04 Quit tenzing (Remote closed the connection) 18.18.40 Join tenzing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 18.19.19 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.19.33 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Oe190.o.pppool.de) 18.19.35 # preglow: No, I haven't played with it. And I don't have time now. 18.21.47 # hello! I still have problems with copiling (../tools/configure: line 1020: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found). Reinstalling (this package) has no effect. Any idea? 18.24.01 Part tim66 18.24.03 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 18.24.36 Quit kernelsensei (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.25.33 # lostlogic: Are you sure about this thread? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2978.0 As far as I can tell, the Apple firmware doesn't work any differently if you press hard or soft on the wheel. 18.27.11 # preglow: works as far as i can tell 18.27.13 Part Paul_The_Nerd 18.28.58 Join kernelsensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 18.36.48 Join Therx [0] (n=Therx@i-195-137-39-215.freedom2surf.net) 18.37.08 Part Therx 18.45.39 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 18.46.31 # linuxstb: i think he means fast, not hard 18.46.57 # but i dunno 18.47.08 # it would be hard to scroll and press at the same time i thnik 18.50.02 # i like it how when you cancel the microsoft installer for something, the progress bar reverses, until it's finished cleaning up. 18.50.10 # it makes me laugh 18.54.08 # does the rockbox firmware support gapless playing with all formats (ogg, flac...)? 18.54.14 # or just with mp3 18.54.23 # i think all formats... i'm not sure 18.54.38 # not with aac 18.54.48 # linuxstb: it seems i've submitted a patch twice by accident, can you close/remove this one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4720 (same as 3031) 18.54.59 # ah good i dont think that i will use aac ;) 18.55.04 # yeah, but who really uses acc anyway... ;) 18.55.09 # aac 18.55.11 # blargle 18.55.13 # ^^ 18.56.01 # heh... acc is actually asphalt. 18.56.23 # jup 18.56.45 # Mikachu: Done. 18.56.50 # thanks 18.57.16 # can anyone tell how far the bootloader for the x5 is developed? 18.57.41 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 18.57.56 Join vulcan [0] (i=vulcan@69-170-61-47.chvlva.adelphia.net) 18.58.00 # hey 18.59.21 # PhR3aK: Read today's IRC logs. From LinusN: "i have enough to build a bootloader" and "all i need now is an application to load" - meaning that the bootloader should be in a working state, but can't be tested until Rockbox itself compiles. 18.59.29 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 18.59.57 # ah ok thx 19.00.12 # Is devcon iver? 19.00.15 # over* 19.00.27 # yes 19.00.35 # but 90 people still have their browsers open :( 19.00.51 # There wasn't a farewell photo? 19.01.02 # Yeah, I saw that 19.01.10 # but I thought that soemthing went wrong 19.01.20 # with the server or they took a break 19.01.36 # maybe i could have written something more informative 19.02.22 # add some javascript to close the window? 19.02.25 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 19.02.37 # ;) 19.02.41 # "it's over, you can go now." 19.02.56 # ep0ch: i can't do that, i only control the jpg :) 19.03.19 # change the image then 19.03.19 # lol 19.03.27 # if someone with access to their webserver could remove the link to me that would be swell 19.03.29 # ohh i;m sure there's a way to put some code in the jpg :) 19.03.37 # ep0ch: not portably :) 19.04.08 # depending on the browser, and how the image is included, you can use javascript in it :) 19.04.16 # i think it only works for ie though, not sure. 19.04.28 # man, mjy ipod battery myst be like totaly dead :X 19.04.38 # left it sitting in disk mode over the weekend by accident 19.04.49 # Mikachu, what about your pause patch for tetrox? 19.05.06 # Paprica: ah, i'll make a patch 19.05.08 Join webguest41 [0] (n=5936b65e@labb.contactor.se) 19.05.25 # Paprica: would it be okay to change the colors too? :) i am used to the colors of another clone, and only 3 pieces have the 'wrong' color 19.05.26 # ok, could you upload it to the tracker? 19.05.35 # mm 19.05.37 # ok 19.05.41 # change it 19.05.45 # hooray 19.05.47 # but in another patch 19.05.50 # yeah 19.06.07 # thanks 19.07.02 # do you think that menu for tetrox will be useful? 19.07.26 # maybe, for viewing highscores, changing between scroll-turning or not... maybe something else 19.07.34 # it would be nice to start at a higher level 19.07.37 # so a setting for that too 19.08.07 # does rockbox write USB mode code? or does the player just use the old one? 19.08.32 Quit webguest41 (Client Quit) 19.09.16 Join f13 [0] (n=me@fedora/ender) 19.09.58 # hey all, I'm having a bit of trouble getting rockbox on my ipod. (I'm using Linux to do this). The rockbox.bin generated by ipod_fw ends up larger (by 3 megs) than the boot partition itself (and hte bootloader.bin file) 19.10.29 # hmmm, no access to a windows system? 19.11.03 # nope. 19.11.07 # well, not for a while. 19.11.14 # afruff23, currently all targets have hardware to handle USB so rockbox doesn't have to do anything yet 19.11.22 # why the hell did my last commit mail contain an attachment? 19.11.56 # f13: what ipod do you have? 19.12.05 # f13: The rockbox.bin should not be any larger than the original bootpartition.bin that you extracted. It should be somewhat larger than the apple_os.bin that you extracted from bootpartition.bin though 19.12.16 # Paprica: 4851 19.12.51 # vulcan: 4g 19.13.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: I know it isn't supposed to be, but ipod_fw seems to be not working right. 19.13.32 # I can't realy help you out then... sorry. 19.14.44 # -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 40M Mar 19 09:15 bootpartition.bin 19.14.44 # -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 43M Mar 19 10:14 rockboot.bin 19.15.00 # f13: How big are your bootloader.bin and apple_os.bin? 19.15.35 # -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3.3M Mar 19 10:03 apple_os.bin 19.15.38 # f13: Are you using bootloader.bin or bootpartition.bin in your ipod_fw command-line? 19.16.06 # hrm. 19.16.10 # haha, yea I am. Silly me. 19.16.48 Join yan [0] (n=yan@neu93-1-82-231-167-182.fbx.proxad.net) 19.17.05 # ahh. 19.17.09 # now rockboot.bin is very small. 19.17.20 # okay... dumb question. How do I go about using patches? 19.17.22 # heh 19.18.15 # vulcan: you mean, how to applyeth the patch to thine source codeth? 19.18.15 # vulcan: Have you set up the toolchain so you can compile? 19.19.26 # no, is there some kind of tutorial I can follow? 19.19.49 # notthat it matters right now because my ipod won't turn on' 19.19.50 # heh 19.20.09 # tis one in the wiki for doing both... 19.20.19 # er, two. seperate ones. 19.20.33 # * f13 tries to figure out how ot use this thing. 19.21.26 # okay, I'll to take a look 19.21.27 # anyone know what a "rockbox error -4" is in the bootloader (ipod)? 19.21.35 # vulcan: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots for setting up cygwin 19.21.42 # you havent loaded the rockbox files yet f13 19.21.45 # so thats normal 19.22.08 # oh bugger its probably cos i forget to umount 19.22.10 # vulcan: actually I did. I'm just not seeing the file brwoser. 19.22.20 # vulcan: I see some plugins and an X next to "Rockbox" 19.22.30 # ep0ch: Yes - it means that the file is corrupt somehow. 19.22.31 # f13: Hidden files will be hidden by default 19.22.57 # ep0ch: i.e. read() can't read the number of bytes that the directory entry says are in the file. 19.22.59 # f13: If you go into the Menu, you can tell it to show all files, otherwise you'll only see supported files and non-hidden folders. 19.23.28 # if anyone notices stability problems with my new commits, please tell me 19.23.49 # f13: Any music that iTUnes has put on your player will be buried in the ipod control folder 19.24.13 # preglow: did you change anything since the patch? 19.24.23 # jyeah, I'm adding new ones. 19.24.27 # though there is a patch called iplay I belive... reads the itunesDB 19.24.34 # or the playslists atleast 19.24.45 Quit vulcan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.25.05 Join GO [0] (n=go@n38h39.catv.ext.ru) 19.25.19 # Mikachu: some 5g stuff 19.25.27 # yay 19.25.39 # okay, that probably won't conflict 19.25.51 # YaY it worked. 19.25.53 # thanks guys. 19.25.54 Part f13 19.26.20 Join ep0ch| [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.171.43) 19.27.12 # There is a very useful piece of information about MPIO HD300's hardware. http://www.hd300.narod.ru/photoalbum.html - photos, http://www.hd300.narod.ru/links.html - documentation. Enjoy! 19.28.33 Join vulcan [0] (i=vulcan@69-170-61-47.chvlva.adelphia.net) 19.29.18 # I think It'll be very useful for anyone who wants to port Rockbox on MPIO. 19.29.23 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 19.31.02 DBUG Enqueued KICK PhR3aK 19.31.02 # 2(afruff232): do you have icq? 19.32.33 # no 19.32.46 # do you post on iaudiophile.net 19.32.52 # yeah 19.32.56 # me too 19.33.00 # same name there 19.33.05 # jupp 19.33.13 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 19.33.21 # youre the guy with the same x5 and mx500? ^^ 19.33.25 # you're jupp on those forums? 19.33.29 # yeah 19.33.52 # no 19.33.54 # zis is ze german coast guard, what are you sinking about? 19.33.54 # what's your name on the forums 19.33.55 # same name 19.33.59 # oh 19.34.13 # jupp was like yes ;) 19.34.35 Quit GO () 19.35.47 # i just wanted to ask you how your sound settings on your x5 are ajusted (bbe and so on) 19.36.25 Join skwad_ [0] (n=P4@lns-bzn-55-82-255-183-200.adsl.proxad.net) 19.36.37 # I'll check hold on 19.36.59 Part LinusN 19.37.00 # i'm trying to figure out the best settings for my mx500 atm... thats why i wanted to aks 19.37.10 # everything off except for EQ 19.37.35 # Do you know if there is a possibility to run Rockbox on a 3g ipod? 19.37.38 # THe EQ looks like an inverted dome 19.38.00 # Bass and treble is gained mroe than the mid 19.38.16 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-113-140.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.38.17 # preglow: if i set the backlight timeout to 1s and fadein to 2s it doesn't come on fully unless i keep scrolling, should i be considered stupid if i do that? 19.39.05 # k, mine is bbe 3, m3b 7 (because the mx500 dont have this good lows) and 3ds 4 19.39.22 # Mx500 has bad bass 19.39.25 # yan, if iPod Linux runs on the iPod 3g it's possible to get rockbox going as well 19.39.28 # but no one's tried 19.39.31 # whcih is why I gained it the most on my EQ 19.40.10 # yeah... my cx 300 should come next week, i cant await it :) 19.40.17 Quit ep0ch (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.40.19 # how much? 19.40.23 # I want to get one 19.40.30 # 38,80 € 19.40.30 # Hmm... some of the links on the menu on the left at rockbox.org don't work any more since the tracker changes from /bugs to /tracker 19.40.31 # but I can't find $40 19.40.40 # I mean I can't find it for $40 19.40.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.41.01 # 2(afruff232): i'm back in 5mins 19.41.06 # I would buy it at $60(like it is now) except I don't like getting ripped off 19.41.25 # safetydan: ipodlinux seems to run on 3g, but I didn't find any firmware for my 3g ipod 19.41.39 # yan: A Rockbox port to the 3g is in CVS - the person working on it hasn't been around for a few weeks, but Rockbox is functioning. 19.42.17 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 19.42.19 Nick ep0ch| is now known as ep0ch (n=ep0ch@84.12.171.43) 19.42.55 # yan: It _may_ even have audio playback. I committed a bugfix about a week ago, but no-one has told me if it works or not (I don't have a 3g to test it on). 19.43.03 # linuxstb: Good, and is there any compiled firmware already or not ? 19.43.14 # linuxstb: Or should I compile it myself? 19.43.18 # linuxstb, is this correct for the recorders? http://pastebin.com/611032 19.43.26 # yan: You'll need to compile it yourself. 19.44.05 # linuxstb, except I can not use underscore in the \newcommands as LaTeX treats underscores as an operator 19.44.23 # linuxstb: Ok, I must install some ARM compilers 19.44.43 # hm i've ordered them from a swedisch shop, and i live in germany, sry but i dont know any shops in the usa who ship them under $60 19.45.16 # tucoz: That seems OK to me. Is LaTeX happy with hyphens in the macro names then? 19.45.44 # linuxstb, the options? Like HAVE_LCD_BITMAP ? 19.46.00 # No, I mean your BUTTON-OFF etc macros. 19.46.17 # Oh, yes. Let me try again. I think I tried this. 19.47.25 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 19.48.48 Join nobelium [0] (i=nob@c-217-70-76-221.bragatel.pt) 19.50.20 Join hubbel [0] (n=51e2f433@labb.contactor.se) 19.50.40 # Is the battery supposed to display an Icon when charging, even if I have it set to numeric? 19.50.52 # New version of the Rockbox VMware image is available.. 19.50.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 19.51.01 # hubbel: What has changed? 19.51.43 # Paul: Added patch, ssh, .. reduced download size.. etc 19.52.31 # hubbel: You might want to include notes reminding people to set the BIOS clock in that VM to match their own. 19.52.56 # paul: aha.. what is the dpkg-reconfigure command? 19.53.27 # hubbel: Umm... I hit F2 while booting to go into the BIOS, and set it there. 20.01.30 # hubbel: did you ever test if the uda1380 can do full-duplex? 20.04.50 # preglow: yep it can 20.05.12 # preglow: where's that vocoder you promised? :) 20.05.17 Part Paul_The_Nerd 20.06.06 # haha 20.06.11 # anything special you need to do? 20.07.33 # aah 20.07.41 # "Hi, you can close this window now" lol 20.09.33 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 20.10.12 # preglow: well.. i did the test without caring about pcm playback/recording/codec issues.. 20.10.23 # yeah, but i'm talking hardware wise 20.10.32 # preglow: nope.. dont think so 20.10.35 # great 20.10.52 # preglow: recording uses one dma channel and playback the other 20.10.58 # What is the volume scale (minimum, maximum) on iPod targets? 20.11.14 Part davinci 20.11.33 # depends on the ipod, i think 20.11.49 # for nano it's -72 to 6 20.11.56 Part yan 20.12.53 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 20.13.12 # for the 5g it's -57 to 6. 20.15.00 Quit MrStaticVoid ("Lost terminal") 20.21.33 # linuxstb, hmm. No hyphens and no digits allowed, it seems 20.22.22 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 20.22.50 # So, the buttons will be called \BUTTONON, \BUTTONOFF etc. What to do with F1 F2 and F3 ? 20.23.01 # Another option is ButtonOn, ButtonOff etc 20.23.10 # yes, that looks better 20.23.18 Join moodelyn [0] (i=nudel@dynamic-62-56-38-86.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 20.23.39 # ButtonFOne, ButtonFTwo etc? 20.24.12 # It looks ugly, but I can't think of anything better. 20.24.34 # latex isn't pretty, so it'll fit right in 20.24.40 # preglow, :) 20.25.04 # something just like latex but not based on tex would fit the bill perfectly 20.25.09 # it's getting too old for its own good 20.25.17 # how's latex 3 going? 20.25.32 # exactly, I wonder what that'll be like 20.26.07 # Mikachu: it isn't 20.26.24 # latex3 has been in "development" for bloody ages now 20.26.52 # OK, forgive the incessant questions, but what is the range of bass/treble boost on iPod platforms. 20.27.24 # that reminds me 20.27.29 # (eventually I'll compile the sim for iPod targets so that I can check these myself.) 20.27.32 # treble/bass on nano doesn't even pretend to do what it should 20.27.34 # it sounds awful 20.27.40 # it's more a volume boost than anything else 20.28.02 # is it like that on all ipods, or just this? 20.28.35 # Febs, I've got some macros options pending. I'll commit those in a while. Then you can use \opt{SWCODEC}{ equalizer stuff} for instance. 20.28.50 Quit hubbel ("CGI:IRC") 20.29.30 # okay... I'm kind of getting worried now 20.29.32 # hmm, perhaps there's some subtle effect 20.29.34 # my ipod won't turn on at all 20.29.39 # but damn, it's pretty close to unusable 20.29.48 # vulcan: keep menu and select pressed until it reboots 20.30.01 # vulcan: it's 99% probably just stuck in battery idiot mode 20.30.11 # tucoz, cool. But right now I'm working through settings for volume, bass, treble, etc. which vary by platform anyway. That macro will help a lot though when I get to crossfeed, EQ, etc. 20.30.11 # that worked 20.30.13 # thankyou 20.30.30 # vulcan: when you disconnect the usb, that happens sometimes 20.30.44 # now I just have the low battery icon... hopefully it will actualy charge now instead of sitting there draining the battery 20.31.48 # Febs, nice. 20.32.30 # what the heck, the battery is fully charged even 20.32.39 # How do you want to handle changes. Shall I post them in the patch tracker or e-mail you the diff files? 20.33.18 # Febs, just post them on the tracker. I think that's the best solution 20.33.29 # vulcan: like i said, it was in battery idiot mode 20.33.45 # vulcan: it sometimes thinks it's got an empty battery when it doesn't 20.33.45 # Will do. I have to go do some family things, but I'll probably post the first patch for the manual later tonight. 20.33.52 # cool :) 20.34.54 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.36.25 # Febs, maybe you could think of the copyright question as well. That is, a lot of people have either directly of indirectly contributed to the manual, but what to write in the copyright statement? 20.37.46 # is there such a thing as a 32 bit integer wav file? 20.37.54 # I was thinking about that last night, actually. There is a contributor list at the end of the manual. Perhaps that could list separately the contributors to the manual and the copyright notice could say 'Copyright (c) 2005 by the respective contributors identified on page XX'. 20.37.56 # i thought 32 bit wavs were always float 20.38.43 # Disclaimer: this is not legal advice! 20.38.46 # I think you can get 24 bit wavs stored (wastefully) as 32 bit. But I'm not sure. 20.38.50 # Febs, that's what I've been thinking of as well. 20.38.56 # OK, gotta run. BBL. 20.38.58 # Febs, see you 20.40.03 # Yeah. you can get 32bit integer wavs. 20.40.14 # ahh, it is possible 20.40.20 # As well as 32 bit and 64 bit float wavs. 20.41.10 # sweet moses, it's such a joy to work with sound in windows 20.41.11 # hhohoh 20.41.41 # preglow - what's up? 20.41.56 Quit Mikachu (Remote closed the connection) 20.41.59 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 20.43.20 # stripwax: just refurbishing wav.c and aiff.c 20.43.35 # first to play codepolice for a bit 20.43.38 # then to make them always use dsp 20.43.51 Quit nudel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.44.29 # What are BUTTON_SELECT and BUTTON_MODE called on the H300? Navi, A-B? 20.46.34 # yep 20.46.34 Quit elinenbe ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.46.39 # thanks 20.46.40 # button select =navi 20.46.52 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 20.48.17 # Do Ipod video,color and nano all use IPOD_4G_PAD? 20.49.01 # twould seem so? 20.49.48 # sharpe, yes. I found out. I had a look in the config-ipodxxx.h files 20.50.02 # :) 20.50.31 # 2(afruff232): what are your eq settings in detail? 20.55.01 Join richardobrien [0] (n=510f339b@labb.contactor.se) 20.55.30 # hi, got a quick question 20.55.52 # what's keeping the h300 from backlight fading again? 20.56.22 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa211.1.tellas.gr) 20.57.18 # preglow, I am a bit confused of the ipod buttons. That is, for a manual purpose. Is this ok? http://pastebin.com/611180 20.58.05 # ...or someone else with an ipod 21.00.16 Nick richardobrien is now known as tboy (n=510f339b@labb.contactor.se) 21.00.36 Join nave7693 [0] (i=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.00.39 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 21.00.48 Part nave7693 21.00.55 # bbl 21.01.07 # can anyone explain how the dict plugin works? 21.01.27 # well 21.01.29 # looks decent to me 21.02.49 # couldn't find it in the manual 21.03.27 Join Guest_940 [0] (n=icechat5@pool-71-241-224-206.washdc.fios.verizon.net) 21.04.11 # hi,anyone there 21.04.16 # ah, found it in the wiki, didn't think to look there 21.04.27 # how to put rockbox on nano 21.04.30 # with doom 21.04.58 # preglow, thanks 21.05.00 # i don't suppose it supports multibyte encoded text? 21.06.18 # what does? 21.06.21 # Mikachu, have you searched the wiki? I think t0mas wrote that plugin 21.06.21 # dict 21.06.42 # tucoz: yeah i found it, but it mentions files _must_ be sorted alphabetically 21.06.53 # which doesn't really mean anything for characters that aren't alphabetical 21.07.49 # asciiorder, i believe 21.08.10 # would be fun to have a japanese dictionary 21.08.27 # but maybe it would be better to write a special plugin for edict 21.08.44 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.08.44 # * t0mas hides behind his keyboard... 21.10.03 Quit tboy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.10.03 Join richardobrien [0] (n=510f339b@labb.contactor.se) 21.12.21 # sigh, rdf2binary doesn't take arguments so i have to guess what i should name the file? :) 21.12.35 # okay, dict.preparsed 21.13.38 # * t0mas doesn't say anything 21.13.50 # I think Zagor wrote that plugin... but he must have put my name above it 21.14.07 # hehe 21.14.30 # i seem to have successfully created the dict files, but since the rb keyboard only lets me enter ascii.. :) 21.14.58 # it's not the same name in dict.c and in rdf2binary.c 21.15.11 # but i guess you're the one named Tomas :) 21.16.25 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 21.16.55 # hmm 21.17.04 # what should i do... 21.17.19 # you could enhance the dict plugin, it needs a lot of work 21.17.22 # :) 21.17.25 # what's it do? 21.17.31 # at this moment? 21.17.36 # nothing usefull... 21.17.37 # or, it's purpose? 21.17.44 # look up words in a dictionary 21.17.44 # dictionary... 21.17.54 # ... 21.18.06 # sharpe: take a look at the screen resizing on rockboy for 5g ipods :P 21.18.15 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.15 # that was obvious to me, but i never got it to work, so i never really thought it was a dictionary... 21.18.16 # my eyes started to bleed when i tried to figure the code flow out 21.18.29 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.18.30 # sharpe: take a look at the wiki page 21.18.52 # heh... when will i need a dictionary on my ipod... :) 21.18.56 # sharpe: before you look at the screen resizing code on rockboy, look at the key code first :P 21.18.59 Join skwad__ [0] (n=P4@lns-bzn-55-82-255-183-200.adsl.proxad.net) 21.19.00 # heh 21.19.04 # :o 21.19.15 # and enable combinations and the hold switch 21.19.30 # ah, it only does exact matching too 21.19.55 # t0mas: wiki for what? 21.19.58 # sharpe: when you lose your pda :) 21.20.01 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/RockboxDictionary 21.20.04 # dictionary 21.20.06 # i never use my pda anymore... 21.20.37 # ah, the search algo uses binary searching 21.20.42 # that explains the need for sortedness 21.21.20 # a la predictive texting :) 21.23.15 # well... i've an idea... for how things could be indexed... or the like... 21.23.24 # similar to what it is aparantly 21.23.27 # apparantly 21.23.37 # currently. 21.24.07 Join supersun47 [0] (n=4503f855@labb.contactor.se) 21.24.15 # hello 21.24.33 # is anyone here? 21.24.34 # it would be nice to search both ways 21.24.44 # what's the other way? 21.25.00 # hey i was wondering if anyone could tell me the keys for rockboy 21.25.01 # i have a japanese->english dictionary, but i'd want to search for english words too 21.25.09 # i have a %G ipod 21.25.14 # 5g ipod 21.25.29 Quit skwad__ ("Parti") 21.25.41 # can anyone help me out with that 21.26.13 # please? 21.26.16 # supersun47: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy#Keybindings 21.26.58 # but, some of those aren't for the video ipod... 21.27.11 # i saw that but i dont think that's for my ipod...cuz i dont know what a record button is...and i dont have a stop button 21.27.15 # hehe 21.27.20 # the 5g build needs work supersun47 21.27.21 # :) 21.27.27 # yea exactly so i dont know what to do 21.27.36 # so do i just wait 21.27.38 # either fix it or wait 21.27.39 # well 21.27.42 # unless you fix it 21.27.42 # yes. 21.27.50 # or pay someone 21.27.53 # heh 21.27.59 # or buy a gameboy 21.27.59 # fixing it involves like advanced work right? 21.28.04 # :_) 21.28.10 # those are the options we came up with for the other guy who asked 21.28.24 # somebody will fix it at some point 21.28.24 # ok thank you 21.28.39 # thank you very much 21.29.11 # hey have you heard about this portable game console that runs linux 21.29.20 # gpx? 21.29.21 # and you can play all sorts of emulators 21.29.23 # yeah ! 21.29.25 # heh 21.29.27 Quit imphasing_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.29.28 # it seems cool 21.29.33 # yeah... 21.29.38 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 21.29.44 # we should port rockbox to it! lol... 21.29.53 # :) 21.30.06 # i think it's a bit unwieldy 21.31.07 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 21.31.16 # are there any plans that the work on the port for the archos gmini (200/202) will be continued? 21.31.22 # I put rockbox on my ipod nano 21.31.33 # it says the next time I reboot rockbox should come 21.31.36 # but it doesn't 21.31.44 # how do I reboot exactly? 21.31.51 # hold select and menu 21.31.52 # hold select and menu for a few seconds 21.32.37 # thankls 21.32.44 # it worked 21.32.51 # PhR3aK: if someone wants to work on it, sure 21.33.01 # PhR3aK: there's a huge amount of work left to be done 21.33.04 # preglow: i just saw apples firmware only fades one way 21.33.09 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 21.33.21 # Mikachu: on which unit? 21.33.25 # nano 21.33.50 # you mentioned earlier you thought it looked better :) 21.33.57 # hm okay i just wanted to know if the work on the gmini port is not completely stopped 21.34.03 # i mean the fade itself 21.34.14 # PhR3aK: it is in essence, no one is working on it 21.34.27 # preglow: i think it needs to go slower at the end 21.34.31 # how do I isntall doom 21.34.37 # ok thanks 21.34.55 # Mikachu: i think it needs a non-linear curve 21.35.24 # hey where do you have to put the .rockbox directory when you use the uisimulator? 21.35.28 Quit skwad_ (No route to host) 21.35.29 # Mikachu: fades both ways here 21.35.33 # hm 21.35.33 # Mikachu: fast fade in, a bit slower out 21.35.36 # in /archos/ wouldn't you? 21.36.06 # you're right.. 21.36.12 # but i see why i thought it only faded one way 21.36.29 # first time it turns the backlight off after boot from rockbox' bootloader it turns off without fad 21.36.33 # e 21.36.49 # what button do I need to press during the boot of the nano to load the original firmware 21.36.50 # ahh 21.36.56 # Guest_940: menu 21.37.00 # 05 21.37.19 # hold menu when you boot it until it says it's load the original firmware 21.37.23 # in "archos" yeah :) but I have an ipod ;) 21.37.29 # same dir 21.37.43 # héhé yeah 21.39.59 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.40.10 # thanks 21.40.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.40.50 Quit supersun47 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.41.42 # heheh, what if i tried to implement my own dictionary plugin? :) 21.42.46 # does anyone know how to put doom on the nano? 21.43.01 # if i remember, you have to compile it with the patch... 21.43.01 Quit richardobrien ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.43.12 # where can I dfind a free compiler 21.43.23 # hey 21.43.41 # when using the ipod 5g uisimulator 21.44.00 # when i play a song I have a windows error saying that _temp_codec.dll is not a valid dll 21.44.04 # any idea? 21.44.27 # the uisim doesn't like me :( 21.44.34 # is there an easy way to put the doom game on my nano? 21.44.44 # that's very complicated 21.44.59 # i'm not really sure, i don't have a nano... 21.46.04 # BoD[away]: i had that problem with a sim that someone else built for me, but when i built my own it was fine. i think for some reason the sim i was given was generating codecs for ARM instead of the local PC 21.46.39 # Guest_940 - if you want to compile a plugin yourself, you should read the "developer" documentation page at http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_developers. But it sounds like you just want an easy way to run Doom. You will have to wait until Doom is officially released, if you don't know how to compile plugins yourself. 21.47.01 # * t0mas is soooo bored... you just don't want to know 21.47.12 # OCuld I do what is said here 21.47.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Applying_A_Patch 21.47.15 Quit tucoz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.47.17 # Could* 21.47.28 # moodelyn: very strange, I built it myself 21.47.36 # * sharpe is thinking of ideas for another dictionary plugin index idea... 21.47.44 Join felix_net [0] (n=felix_ne@c-69-250-75-214.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 21.47.48 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@111.80-202-99.nextgentel.com) 21.47.53 # hi all 21.47.58 # hello 21.48.15 # Guest_940 - yeah, you *could* do, if you understand what it means and you have a build environment already set up! 21.48.42 # any linux users in here, by chance? 21.48.47 # yep 21.49.05 # sharpe: what's your idea? 21.49.12 # excellent- since I installed rockbox on my ipod, i can't mount it 21.49.42 # umm 21.49.49 # felix_net: you tried using disk mode on the ipod ? 21.49.52 # you have to start apple or the emergency mode 21.50.03 # t0mas: god dude, i'll be back in a little bit. my friend's dad died friday. 21.50.05 # i think it's in disk mode. 21.50.06 # i dont have any trouble with just plugging it in, tbh 21.50.13 # it jsut reboots to disk mode anywa 21.50.29 # sharpe: ouch... you should be with him... 21.50.37 # i'm pretty sure its disk mode (grey screen, no backlight, etc.) 21.50.47 # (the friend I mean ofcourse) 21.50.58 # felix_net: and by mount, what do you mean? 21.51.00 # t0mas: more like 'her', but her and her sister moved so i really can't, so yeh. 21.51.01 # like, under linux 21.51.09 # sharpe: that sucks... 21.51.30 # my default entry mounted /dev/sda2 on /mnt/ipod vfat -- that no longer works 21.51.40 # ummm 21.51.51 # t0mas: yeah... 21.51.53 # felix_net: if the iPod says "Do Not Disconnect" then you're in disk mode, otherwise it's not gonna work. 21.52.00 # is it maybe being attached as a different device entry in /dev then > 21.52.03 # t0mas: was given a month or so to live, but only got a week. 21.52.09 # ah shit... 21.52.15 # life is just unfair to some people... 21.52.21 # yeah... 21.52.23 # felix_net: ls /mnt/dev* 21.52.33 # whoops 21.52.40 # I mean ls /dev/sd* 21.52.42 # :P 21.52.49 # heh 21.52.52 # * BHSPitLappy stops trying. 21.53.26 # that's alot of sd*'s 21.53.39 # felix_net: Try "fdisk -l" (as root) 21.53.58 # linuxstb - uh? 21.54.10 # felix_net - anything reported by dmesg by any chance? 21.54.27 # stripwax: That will list the partition tables from all the disk devices - so you can see the ipod. 21.54.39 # linuxstb - neat 21.54.49 # life unfair to some people? nah, can't possible be true 21.54.51 # nothing useful in dmesg, fdisk returns that sda2 has logical and physical partitions 21.55.01 # it's outright cruel to someone is what it is 21.55.43 # s/someone/some people/ 21.56.38 # well... i don't know what to do now. 21.57.13 Join Shadowarrior13 [0] (i=dsf@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 21.57.27 # so... any ideas? 21.57.30 # can't help you there 21.57.41 # felix_net: Does "fdisk -l" list your ipod? 21.58.13 # do ipods use recorder/keyboard.c or player/keyboard.c? 21.58.29 # by the looks of it, 2 partitions one empty one, one fat32 21.58.33 # Everything with a bitmapped LCD uses the files in recorder/ 21.58.36 # okay 21.58.40 # that explains some things :) 21.58.53 # felix_net: So what's the problem? Just mount the fat32 one. 21.59.18 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 21.59.21 # sharpe: handling stuff like that at a distance is never easy 21.59.22 # i get the response that /dev/sda2 is not a valid blcok device. 21.59.39 # yeah... 21.59.52 # felix_net: But "fdisk -l" is listing /dev/sda as being your ipod? 21.59.57 # but i can't really do much to help them right now... 22.00.03 # that being the point, yes 22.00.13 # "iPod" is not mentioned, but it appears to be my ipod 22.00.27 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.00.28 # never really get to talk to them either, so yeh 22.00.42 # the logical and physical ends on the 2nd partition (sda2) is what I think the problem is 22.01.28 # ah great, i can just add japanese characters to the keyboard and it works :) 22.01.55 # iPod backlight fading!? alright, after all these features that have piled in over the past few days.. now i _have_ to update. :) 22.02.08 # midkay, :) 22.02.19 # felix_net: Can you paste the line from "fdisk -l" for /dev/sda2 ? 22.02.22 # is FONT_UI the font i have selected in the UI? 22.02.35 # Mikachu, yes 22.02.40 # i know that sounds like a stupid question but the comment says /* system proportional font */ 22.02.48 # /dev/sda2 6 3648 29262397+ b W95 FAT32 22.02.48 # Partition 2 has different physical/logical endings: 22.02.48 # phys=(1023, 254, 63) logical=(3647, 254, 63) 22.02.57 # if the line beneath is FONT_UI, then the comment is wrong.. :) 22.03.07 # they're on the same line 22.03.09 # FONT_UI, /* system porportional font*/ 22.03.37 # midkay: send beer! 22.03.45 # i need to use that font to actually see my chars 22.03.52 # FONT_UI is the user-selected one, so.. the comment is wrong. 22.03.52 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.04.02 # okay 22.04.19 # preglow, bah :) 22.04.26 # preglow, not til i'm sure it works deliciously. 22.04.32 # felix_net: How did you install Rockbox? 22.04.39 # it does at all but the longest fade times :/ 22.04.55 # define longest? 22.05.05 # longer than longer? 22.05.06 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.05.06 # 10 seconds i think 22.05.24 # preglow, btw, why do you need to add the define into the source? why isn't it there already, if it's working fine? 22.06.21 # midkay: 10 secs is long 22.06.26 # midkay: what source? 22.06.36 # linuxstb: i used the stock rockboot.bin from the website and the rockbox zip 22.06.41 # midkay: i have only added it for those targets i know it works on 22.06.45 # bleeding edge @ the time 22.07.06 # midkay: i only added that comment so people knew how easy it is to try for their target, 'cause it wasn't easy at all before i fixed it 22.07.24 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 22.07.50 Quit midkay (Nick collision from services.) 22.07.51 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 22.08.02 # midkay: got that? 22.08.12 # preglow, no.. 22.08.16 # crashed.. weird. 22.08.17 # midkay: i have only added it for those targets i know it works on 22.08.22 # midkay: i only added that comment so people knew how easy it is to try for their target, 'cause it wasn't easy at all before i fixed it 22.08.37 # preglow, so me testing it for the 5G means it'd be confirmed and added in CVS? 22.08.43 # yes 22.08.48 # cool. alright. :) 22.08.51 # it is added for iriver h1xx, ipod nano and ipod 5g 22.08.56 # trying it now.. got to update my source.. 22.08.56 # what are you testing? 22.09.38 # felix_net: There is no rockboot.bin on the website... 22.09.51 # sharpe, iPod nano/5g backlight fading.. 22.10.12 # ah... 22.10.20 # oops, i mean the bootloader from the website 22.10.31 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@c225193.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.10.56 Join pill [0] (i=pill@loves.voltshells.com) 22.10.58 # i've tested the patch for the 5g haven't i? 22.11.01 # i compiled my rockboot.bin from source 22.11.57 # felix_net: I'm not sure what to suggest. Installing the Rockbox bootloader shouldn't affect the partition table on your ipod - and it sounds like the partition table is broken. 22.12.41 # hmm... what to do, what to do... 22.13.22 # so i guess i need to try again? 22.14.37 Join Mmmm [0] (n=mscarrat@cpc5-hem13-0-0-cust543.lutn.cable.ntl.com) 22.14.54 # sharpe, *cough* packaged while playing screens, meaning within a zip file, and perhaps the addition of decompression! *cough* 22.14.58 # felix_net: Did you make a backup of your MBR - the "dd if=/dev/sda of=mbr.bin count=1" command? 22.15.37 # yes 22.15.43 # midkay *cough* remember that problem *cough* with the attempted *cough* loading *cough* of the wps? 22.16.07 # sharpe, *couGH* uuuum... yes? *cough* fix it *cough* *cough* *COUGH!!!* 22.16.09 # felix_net: Just try restoring that - "dd if=mbr.bin of=/dev/sda". Then unplug your ipod, and plug it back in. 22.16.14 # is it supposed to be this small? 22.16.21 # Yes - just 512 bytes. 22.16.31 # ok, hold for a sec 22.16.47 # midkay, *cough* i've no idea how to? *cough* 22.17.09 # sharpe, well then. well then! well. then. ask. :) 22.17.39 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.17.44 # it booted back into rockbox 22.18.12 # OK, now plug it into your computer - your ipod should reboot into disk mode. 22.18.45 Join Yash [0] (i=s123@202.134.153.9) 22.18.52 # now in disk mode 22.18.52 # midkay, lets make the rbz format, with special compression uniqe to rockbox! :) 22.19.02 # hi there, does anyone have screenshots of rockbox running on ipod? 22.19.08 # ipod photo or anything? 22.19.11 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-28-60.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.19.13 # check the wps gallery 22.19.15 # in the wiki 22.19.19 # checking 22.19.24 # Yash: that's what i'm running now 22.19.25 # near the bottom 22.19.29 # sharpe, um. i thought the problem was loading the WPS, whatever format or compression it was in? :) 22.19.30 # Yash: Just install it yourself... You can easily uninstall if you don't like it. 22.19.35 # felix_net, cool 22.19.37 # linuxstb, sure 22.20.10 # yeah, it was with loading the wps, but with a compression format already in place, twould be easier to implement once (if) the problem was ever solved. 22.20.13 # linuxstb: what's next? 22.20.26 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.20.28 # felix_net: Is it working? 22.20.36 # I heard rockbox doesn't require iTunes? I can just dump in songs like I would in any other portable HDD? 22.20.42 # yes 22.20.45 # felix_net: Also, did Rockbox boot happilly? 22.21.00 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.21.01 # and make folders too ? 22.21.02 # i still can't mount, but rockbox booted fine 22.21.03 # yeah 22.21.03 # sharpe, two things.. one, you should definitely get the WPS loading working before you start working on compression or whatnot.. and two, again, we'd probably get tons of questions on "what is an rbz file" and "how do i make one".. :) 22.21.07 # aiff.c doesn't handle 8 bit files correctly at all... 22.21.17 # yes it turns your ipod to a ums player 22.21.24 # felix_net: Then I think it's a Linux problem - if Rockbox started, then that means the disk in your ipod is fine. 22.21.30 # but then we can make an elaborate faq and point people to it every time they asked :) 22.21.30 # PhR3aK, ums? 22.21.36 # guess its debian 22.21.39 # usb mass storage 22.21.47 # cool 22.21.56 # or universal, depending on who says it 22.22.03 # yeah means that its handled as an usual hdd 22.22.15 # felix_net: I sometimes get USB strangeness (I'm using Debian as well) - a reboot is sometimes needed to get USB working again. 22.22.26 # sharpe, i don't think the dev team would be too happy about having a proprietary extension.. and, you say compression? how would you open it? :) 22.22.32 # preglow complains about the same thing under Ubuntu IIRC. 22.22.46 # it's a linux thing 22.22.46 # well, then I'm going to reboot, i'll log back in a few minutes. bbl 22.23.01 Quit felix_net ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 22.23.04 # midkay, well, it'd be handled by a plugin... 22.23.08 # are we talking about the battery thing? 22.23.19 # sharpe, what about creating them i mean? viewing them outside of rockbox? 22.23.26 # I'm going to try installing rockbox now ;) 22.23.30 # My suse keeps freezing when I transfer data to my Iriver....very annnoying! 22.23.33 # I hope it doesnt drain the battery out too fast? 22.23.42 # mmm... we make a utility to package them :) 22.23.59 # sharpe, fu, that's too complicated. uncompressed zip!! :) 22.24.05 # ;) 22.24.10 # ahh, right, that 22.24.10 # well, we have that then. 22.24.14 # yeah, that's a linux problem 22.24.18 # and for me it applies to all usb devices 22.24.44 # ouch! 22.24.56 # 2(Yash2): why should it? 22.25.19 # PhR3aK, I was just wondering, so wanted to clear it in my mind, hehe.. sorry if I offended you 22.25.56 # Yash: Yes - shorter battery life is the main disadvantage of Rockbox compared to the Apple firmware. But that can only improve. 22.26.21 # no i think (i dont really know, ive got no dap with rockbox running) 22.26.34 # But the way I see it is that 7.5 hours of FLAC playback under Rockbox beats zero hours of FLAC under the Apple firmware. 22.26.43 # hm but a guy on iaudiophile.net said that rockbox could improve battery life 22.26.44 # true 22.26.46 # preglow, fading woks perfectly on my 5g.. beautiful. :) (if it was your work: nice job!) 22.27.32 # cool.. I'll install it now 22.27.33 # :) 22.27.45 # we hath converted another! :) 22.27.50 # screw the thanks, send beer! 22.28.00 # preglow, even 10 seconds works 100% fine. it looks a little "steppy", but it's fine. :) 22.28.06 # yeah, it does look steppy 22.28.09 # at least towards the end 22.28.16 # but there's nothing i can do about that 22.28.18 # preglow, screw the beer, you need to go to alcoholics anonymous. 22.28.20 # i think, at least 22.28.20 # Only 44 million more ipod users to go... 22.28.28 # lol... 22.28.33 # midkay: i'm not particularily anonymous 22.28.45 # yeah. you're 'preglow' 22.29.04 # preglow, you can be. it's alright! 22.29.18 # and i regret to inform i haven't got near enough money to drink as often as it'd require to be an alcoholic :/ 22.29.22 # but i try, goddamnit! 22.29.26 # lol 22.29.53 Quit Nico_P () 22.30.01 # hahaha. 22.30.07 # :) 22.31.10 # midkay, wish to help me find out how to get the wps loading working? 22.31.23 Join felix_net [0] (n=felix_ne@c-69-250-75-214.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 22.31.30 # sharpe, i've offered a few times over the past few days. i would indeed have a look.. :) 22.31.33 # hi all 22.31.47 # turns out a reboot fixed it 22.31.51 # no guarantees.. infact, almost the opposite of guarantees, but... :) 22.32.05 # heh, at least you can't do worse than what i've gotten. 22.32.55 # except now that it refuses to un-mount 22.33.10 # sharpe, i wouldn't be so sure. :) 22.34.06 # solexx, preglow...if I send beer in the post, is it possible you might consider committing the remote support for peakmeter/recording screen patch? :) 22.34.22 # will i still be able to view photos on my ipod photo after rockbox installation? 22.34.26 Quit stripwax (Connection timed out) 22.34.26 # hmm... maybe grepping for 'wps' in everything was not such a good idea. 22.35.29 # Yash: Yes - Rockbox doesn't affect how the Apple firmware works. Also, Rockbox has a very nice JPEG viewer itself. 22.35.36 # Coool 22.36.53 # which build should i download? 22.37.03 Join webguest94 [0] (n=a896fd37@labb.contactor.se) 22.37.08 Part felix_net 22.37.12 # I'll download the latest one? 22.37.12 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-146-188.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.37.19 Quit nnod ("Leaving") 22.37.23 # Hi, I have a question about file sorting 22.38.22 # shoot 22.38.58 # I noticed with my Archos Jokebox Recorder 20 that the software could only sort on the first 42 characters in the filename. So all identifying info--artist, title, track #--had to be in those 42 characters. Does Rockbox improve on that? 22.39.12 # evening chaps 22.40.29 # webguest94, I would assume yes, but maybe someone else could confirm? 22.41.14 # I just re-ripped my collection and I'd hate to have to truncate everything again to be able to have it in order 22.42.09 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 22.43.42 Join Benacool [0] (n=benacool@Toronto-HSE-ppp3751165.sympatico.ca) 22.44.00 # Anyone know the file-length limit in Rockbox? 22.44.30 # Rockbox installed perfect, but I don't see color on the menu, any idea why? 22.45.17 # You can change the colours in the settings. 22.45.29 # Default is just black on a very light blue. 22.45.44 # webguest94, on the feature comparison chart it says rockbox have 260 chars filename limit 22.45.47 # tucoz: MAX_PATH is 260 bytes 22.45.53 # true, how do i exit sudoku, lol, i'm stuck there 22.46.04 # SHIFT+MENU exits most plugins 22.46.08 # linuxstb, thanks. Do you have an answer for webguest94 ? 22.46.24 # well, 260 is a bit of an improvement over 42 hehehehe 22.46.28 # shift + menu? there's no shift on an ipod 22.46.29 # Yash: You may want to read this: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ 22.46.39 # :) Sorry, I mean SELECT (the centre button) 22.46.48 # oh I misunderstood 22.46.51 # gotcha! thanks buddy, i'll read the FAQ 22.47.04 # webguest94: But yes, Rockbox should use all 260 characters when sorting. 22.47.18 # does PATH_MAX not include the path to the file too? 22.47.20 # webguest94, you should give Rockbox a try either way. Have a look at this page for feature comparison. http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison 22.47.29 # Mikachu: Good point... 22.47.44 # I saw that one. I'm very interested... was never happy with the Archos software 22.48.16 # webguest94, so, it's 260 chars including the path to the file. 22.48.18 # I guess, as long as I don't have an insane number of nested directories, I should be fine 22.48.24 # yes 22.48.25 # webguest94: If you have problems with the maximum length of files, you can always compile your own version, and extend the limit. 22.48.44 # urgh 22.48.49 # has anyone had any trouble removing a cygwin install ? 22.48.56 # I have not the programming skill. 22.48.57 # i need to install it elsewhere and want to delete this old copy 22.49.08 # crashd: so just delete the dir? 22.49.08 # linuxstb, i read it, thanks.. also, I change the theme, it just looks the same, no changes 22.49.12 # Mikachu: no deal 22.49.14 # i thought it was pretty self contained 22.49.14 # access denied ;\ 22.49.17 # lol... 22.49.24 # for some reason the symlinks and some of the binary files are weirded out in perms 22.49.26 # crashd: sure you've exited all cygwin processes? 22.49.31 # sure 22.49.42 # windows sucks with deleting files, sometimes you just can't 22.49.50 # Anyway, I keep everything divided by genre. Only two levels at most. 22.50.23 # yeah 22.50.28 # well, it shouldnt be this retarded ;\ 22.50.59 # I'm also considering putting in a larger hard drive... anybody try that with Rockbox? 22.51.30 # Yes, lots of people have upgraded their hard drive. Rockbox has no problems with them. 22.52.00 # great. 22.52.37 # crashd: when I used windows I used a program called unlocker to delete files...always did the trick! 22.53.08 # Thanks for all your help. Looking forward to trying it. 22.53.10 # ill give it a spin 22.53.15 # ive tried a few random deleters 22.53.32 # where can I download themes from? 22.53.38 # woot+5 22.53.52 # i added hiragana to the keyboard entry and changed to linear search, and it found my entry :) 22.53.55 # l8r all 22.54.14 # (all of this is hacks so far) 22.54.20 Part webguest94 22.54.50 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 22.55.13 # Yash: The WPSGallery wiki page, or try this forum thread: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2589.0 22.55.35 # what is the stb in your nick? 22.55.45 # Yash: Sorry, WpsGallery - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 22.56.04 # cool beans, thanks linuxstb, you're 'very' helpful.. i appreciate all your help 22.56.25 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 22.56.31 # none of them are for the photo ipod tho :/ 22.56.56 # hrm 22.57.22 # it would rock if the playback file loader could somehow guarantee alignment for content :> 22.57.34 # i'm tired of reading uncompressed data byte per byte 22.58.05 # Mikachu: set-top box It's an old project I was involved with..... 22.58.14 # ah 22.59.23 # It became my username at Sourceforge, then I joined Rockbox with the name (back when Rockbox used Sourceforge for everything), and it followed me to IRC. 22.59.52 # my curiosity finally made me ask :) 23.00.20 # i keep thinking it's 'std' 23.00.22 # now i just need to make the dict plugin make an index of matches and display all of them instead of just the first... 23.00.23 # for standard... 23.00.31 # or sexually transmittable disease 23.00.44 # yeah, but linux isn't that 23.03.22 # is there a limit on the lenght of a theme or wps name? getting really weird behaviour in the sim that seems to go away after i rename my theme/wps to something shorter ("Nudel Green 5GAA" works but "Nudel Green 5G Album Art" means seleting the theme is often ignored, or i get the backdrop but none of the text in the WPS) 23.05.50 # Yes, I it's 20 characters for filenames stored in the settings. 23.05.53 Part moozooh 23.06.16 # ah ok :) that was very confusing for a moment 23.07.29 # why are songs skipping in rockbox? 23.07.45 # on ipod? turn off the equaliser and it should fix it 23.07.56 # ahh 23.08.04 # there's not enough CPU right now with some music formats (esp. mp3)/EQ settings 23.09.08 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.09.10 # yup, that fixed it, coool 23.09.20 # im loving every moment of rockbox yet :) 23.09.30 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 23.09.35 Join moozooh [0] (n=moozooh@87.240.1.66) 23.09.43 # preglow: Is there any room for optimisation in the EQ on iPod, or do we need to look at the codecs? 23.09.53 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.10.01 # do all ipods have two cpus or only nano and video? 23.10.03 # any idea when the battery meter will work on photo ipods? 23.10.17 # apparently all of them do Mikachu, even the first generation ones 23.10.22 # Mikachu: Every ipod - going back to the first generation. 23.10.29 # okay 23.10.59 # * moodelyn wonders when someone's going to write a SETI client for rockbox :) 23.11.08 # haha 23.11.18 # right after we get the networking functionality :) 23.11.26 # And ever-lasting batteries... 23.11.40 # heh, 'seti-on-the-go' 23.12.09 # hmm, do i need to remove the clock patch i installed before i update from cvs, or will the update be identical to teh patch and cvs will work it all out for me? 23.12.13 # Paprica watching baby tv every day? ;-)) 23.12.18 # Its still skipping, I made the Enable EQ to NO 23.12.27 # it skips in the beginning and then smoothens up 23.12.35 # moodelyn: copy the file first to be safe 23.12.51 # Yash: What kind of files are you playing? 23.12.59 # mp3 23.13.04 # moodelyn: or you can just delete it and update if you haven't made any changes yourself 23.13.05 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 23.13.09 # bugger, i deleted the .patch file and it's not in flyspray anymore... oops 23.13.10 # moodelyn: and it will be redownloaded 23.13.29 # i've got some other patches installed... might just delete everything and re-patch. easier i guess 23.13.35 # linuxstb: I'm playing .mp3 files 23.13.42 # Yash: What bitrate? 23.13.54 # 128 23.13.55 # moodelyn: oh, i thought you meant for the clock plugin which is just one file 23.14.00 # Yash do you have the peekmeter being displayed on the while-playing screen? 23.14.10 # Yash: try just going out to the menu 23.14.32 # moodelyn, yes, peekmeter is on 23.14.35 # Mikachu, no luck 23.14.47 # peekmeter causes skipping as well i think, at the moment 23.15.15 # where do I disable that from? 23.15.24 # Choose a different theme/wps file. 23.15.34 # okie 23.15.37 # But I'm surprised Rockbox can't handle 128kbps files and the peakmeter. 23.16.01 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 23.16.18 # also, when will the battery indicator start working for photo ipod or any in general as i read its still being worked upon 23.17.04 # changing the theme worked fine, no skipping anymore 23.18.34 # hm, i thought the peakmeter didn't take any power when not visible 23.19.21 # no idea about the battery? 23.19.42 # also, whats voice? 23.20.11 # spoken menus and stuff 23.20.18 # oh, coooool 23.20.26 # mostly if you happen to be blind i guess 23.20.34 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.21.07 Quit tim66 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.21.08 Join webguest60 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 23.21.27 # * amiconn is back 23.21.40 # * muesli__ cheers @ amiconn 23.22.09 # back in berlin? 23.22.26 # yup 23.22.37 # wow..ur fast ;) 23.22.43 # I've just hit a weird bug 23.22.44 Quit dpassen1 () 23.22.53 # Hey I have a question 23.22.58 # if I try to bot into the original firmware on my H300 it instantly turns off 23.23.20 # on my ipod (don't know if it's the same with other targets), the voume is indicated in "db" 23.23.21 # the only way I can get into to the original firmware right now it to attach the charger 23.23.29 # 0db is the max volume 23.23.43 # ohrn: You have to hold Play for some seconds to give the original firmware a chance to see it's pressed 23.23.47 # is there a way to use another unit ... one with 0 being the lowest volume? :) 23.23.49 # it used to work properly before, just hold rec 23.23.52 # yeah, everytime the firmware boots up, it and rockbox duel. generally the firmware loses, so that's why it shuts off. 23.23.54 # has anyone else seen this? 23.23.56 # Original H300 firmware is slow... 23.24.13 # amiconn wb:) 23.24.25 # BoD[away]: No. 23.25.05 # linuxstb: is it the same with other targets? 23.25.05 # amiconn: he, yea, your right 23.25.11 # if I keep holding play is boots 23.25.17 # I never noticed this before 23.25.23 # BoD[away]: just add 76 to the number and multiply by 1.3157894 :P 23.25.31 # or whatever the lowest db value is on your target 23.25.38 # not that I ever use the original firmware anymore 23.25.49 # :) 23.25.55 Quit Mmmm ("Byeee") 23.25.57 # that should give you a number between 0 and 100 that doesn't say very much 23.26.15 # Mikachu: you mean recompile the firmware for that I guess? 23.26.21 # BoD[away]: Yes - that's one of the reasons for the use of a dB value. It's consistent across all Rockbox targets (and with other consumer electronics using dB). 23.26.23 # and you can train yourself to do quick float math :P 23.26.24 # BoD[away]: no i just meant in your head, but i was joking 23.26.40 # Mikachu: ahhh :) 23.26.44 # linuxstb: ok 23.27.09 # but humm.. am I the only one who finds that it's not 100% "user friendly" ? ;) 23.27.25 # I just tried out the backlight fading patch checked in by Thom 23.27.30 # but its an instant crash on H300 23.27.55 # ohrn it's supposed to work on ipods and iriver h1x0 .. 23.28.16 Quit Siku () 23.28.43 # well, the code has a bunch of ifdefs and code to handle a H300 23.28.44 # BoD[away] really, it's just a matter of habbit 23.29.00 # I guess 23.29.27 # but obviously it doesnt work yet 23.29.42 # Backlight fading isn't supposed to work on H300 23.29.49 # k 23.30.21 # BoD[away] if you have a value for the volume of 15, what does this number really tell you ?? 23.30.31 # what's the wps module do? (i'm seeing that "No wps module present, can't do the WPS magic!" when I "make zip" and wondering if it's worth checking out of CVS) 23.30.59 # How'd i install a theme? I have downloaded a few 23.31.08 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-237.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.32.05 # so many questions 23.32.55 # Yash isn't there a themes dir under the .rockbox/ one ? 23.33.09 # okay, sorry. 23.33.20 # put .wps in the wps/ dir, and .cfg in config/ 23.33.22 # er 23.33.22 # theme/ 23.33.34 # Bger: well if you have a low number (eg: 0) that number tells me the volume is low :) 23.33.49 # a bigger number says it's high 23.33.52 # BoD[away] but -20 is lower than 0, yeah ? 23.34.05 # BoD[away]: if it helps, a decrease of 3dB means the volume is perceived as halved 23.34.17 # iirc 23.34.27 # don't get me wrong 23.35.03 # the dB way probaly gives more info 23.35.05 # but 23.35.07 # linuxstb: i can't make the eq much tighter than it is 23.35.18 # linuxstb: if i could, it would be on the order of like one instrution per sample 23.35.35 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 23.35.37 # preglow: OK. I assumed that was the case, but thought you might have some miracles hidden up your sleeve. 23.35.39 # IMHO, 99% of electronic devices that produce sound, have a 0 value meaning "no sound" and a higher value meaning more sound 23.35.48 Join saratoga [0] (n=80c4c198@labb.contactor.se) 23.35.57 Quit saratoga (Client Quit) 23.36.02 # that's why the dB way might violate the "least surprise" principle 23.36.07 # linuxstb: i think some gains might be found in the dsp system, though, i think lostlogic told me that every chunk gotten from a codec is divided to leser chunks, for some reason 23.36.08 # a lot of amplifiers show db the same way rockbox does 23.36.16 # linuxstb: the longer each part of the dsp chain can run, the better 23.37.23 Quit amiconn ("switching clients...") 23.37.30 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 23.38.53 # amiconn: sound works on amd64 for me now 23.39.00 # that is, most of it 23.39.09 # Yeah, saw your commit 23.39.15 # libmad crashes whatever i do for some dubious reason, wavpack still has tons of long type issues 23.39.17 # Didn't check it out yet 23.39.39 # * amiconn has to fix a slight bug he introduced by accident 23.40.12 # something to do with ata writing, i hope? :] 23.40.28 # No, just voice 23.40.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.40.49 # I was about to mention that - is that the two lines you removed from talk.c? 23.41.05 # I accidentally commited a change that has nothing to do with voice working on little endian targets 23.41.07 # linuxstb: yes 23.41.23 # That's actually part of my .lang cleanup, which is still unfinished 23.42.59 # I guess my question is: if I make a patch that adds an option to show the volume in "positive values" (and that's highly hypothetical), would it be accepted? 23.43.26 # or do I have to keep it for myself :) 23.44.02 # This has been discussed to death on the forums 23.44.08 # woops 23.44.10 # basically, no, it won't 23.44.27 # ok well I'm sorry 23.44.41 # you'd better be! :P 23.44.43 # Don't be, not everyone reads the forums - just pointing out that lots of discussion is there 23.44.48 # I'm new here ;) (no I'm not!!) 23.45.00 # seems odd not to make it an option 23.45.07 Nick moodelyn is now known as nudel (i=nudel@dynamic-62-56-38-86.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 23.45.12 # yeah! options are good 23.45.18 # No. No they're not. 23.45.25 # Rockbox suffers from optionitis 23.46.11 # but but 23.46.22 # there could be an "expert mode" 23.46.28 # with more options ;) 23.46.34 # you can use the gconf approach to optionitis 23.46.36 # Oh no... 23.46.47 # put in lots of options which are not exposed in the ui, but which can be changed by editing a text file 23.46.59 # Kummer: I don't think hidden options is a good idea on a dap 23.47.04 # An option to make options optional... 23.47.07 # It's not a really good idea on Gnome either, if you ask me 23.47.21 # it's a decent enough idea 23.47.22 # Kummer: a great improvement over text file configs! 23.47.26 # but we also want to avoid the bloat in code size 23.47.29 # But you're right, it *could* be done that way 23.47.42 # Settings that matter in the config sector, but have no ui 23.47.45 # for changing them 23.48.24 # at the very least I am a big fan of organizing the source code so that people who are willing to recompile can easily change things without having to make a whole bunch of edits 23.48.26 # It's a decent solution if people decide rockbox does need more options, I agree 23.48.36 # rockbox, so far as I can tell, accomplishes this. Gnome does not. 23.48.42 # but i'm also for just not adding unecessary options at all 23.48.43 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 23.48.51 # i can't believe people are still talking about the volume issue 23.48.58 # it's such a small thing 23.49.02 # Kummer: Well, gnome is a slightly larger project 23.49.06 # Kummer: Rockbox is also full of #ifdefs to support all the different hardware platforms. Adding more #ifdefs for compile-time configuration won't help. 23.49.23 # preglow: a small thing ? 23.49.24 # s/also/already/ 23.49.32 # displaying the volume, on a mp3 player is not a small thing :) 23.49.41 # It doesn't matter how it's displayed. 23.49.42 # just installed the latest build. the fading backlight is lovely on the 5G 23.49.51 # 0-40, 0-100, -something-0 23.49.56 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 23.50.01 # is backlight fading in cvs now? 23.50.07 # yup 23.50.09 # yeah 23.50.12 # ooohhh 23.50.16 # good work preglow :) 23.50.20 # It's all just numbers.. and in the end, you have to listen to what's the right volume anyway 23.50.30 # ah it fades up (quickly) as well, lovely! 23.50.38 # i'd like a quicker fade step as well 23.50.45 # any opinions? 23.50.47 # webguest60: I guess i'll get used to it 23.50.54 # i'd like at least 250ms 23.50.56 # webguest60: it's a shame that I have to ;) 23.51.01 # BoD[away]: I promise you that you will 23.51.12 # Is it a known problem that http://www.rockbox.org/since25.html doesn't exits? 23.51.21 # nudel: you can set the times 23.51.27 # markun: lemme fix... 23.51.44 # Noone complained about Iriver's scale being 0-40, which is a seriously cracked up scale if there ever was one 23.51.51 # there 23.51.53 # Bagder: plz, kan du ta bort referensen till mig på devcon2006? 23.51.58 # oops, wrong language :) 23.52.03 # will do 23.52.06 # lucky you're swedish 23.52.19 # It's like a secret cod 23.52.22 # hehe 23.52.26 # singy songy nonesense 23.52.31 # ; ) 23.52.32 # code, that is. 23.52.32 # Bagder: did you guys decide much at the devcon? 23.52.32 # bagder: maybe you can add a meta refresh so people don't sit and refresh with the js 23.52.45 # Bagder: you're filling up my log fast :) 23.53.11 # removed now 23.53.21 # markun: we ate through the entire agenda 23.53.30 # preglow: i think the fade times are great as they are, but if they change to faster i won't complain either 23.53.37 # 2(afruff232): could you tell me your eq settings? 23.53.44 # preglow: do you plan to add that to the options? 23.53.49 # Bagder: i just realized a meta refresh wouldn't help since they'd have to reload to get it anyway :) 23.53.49 # crashd: yeah 23.53.53 # i'd like it myself, at least 23.53.55 # yeah 23.53.57 # i concur 23.53.59 # and i also don't see the need for the ultra long fade out times 23.54.01 # like 10 sec 23.54.05 # Mikachu: ahah, true 23.54.12 # if you're going to have a feature, it's best to be able to configure it 23.54.28 # preglow: i think it looks sort of nifty 23.54.30 # preglow: people asked for even longer times... 23.54.35 # weren't we just saying it's best not to add more options (for volume display)? :-) 23.54.37 # preglow: but 5s is enough for me 23.54.41 # amiconn: that's because they're insane 23.54.45 # ill build from cvs when cygwin has finished destroying my hard disks 23.54.46 # oh, the quickmenu is strangely arranged again now? 23.54.53 # it flickers like an idiot at 5s already 23.55.13 # but ok, i don't really care to remove any times 23.55.19 # i just want to add a few shorter ones 23.55.25 # 10s is quite steady on h1x0 23.55.35 # yeah, it is, but not perfect 23.55.40 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 23.56.02 # Damn close if you ask 23.56.02 Join GRINGO1984 [0] (n=chatzill@d83-181-77-225.cust.tele2.de) 23.56.04 # me. 23.56.14 # is this for inactivity backlight fadeout? 23.56.18 # guten Abend 23.56.20 # which I suppose you didn't,, but there you have it. 23.56.22 # preglow, btw, considering that you can fade the backlight, couldn't you implement a brightness adjustment setting easily as well? that'd be quite nice 23.56.25 # GRINGO1984: english, please 23.56.26 # crashd: and fadein 23.56.33 # Anyway, I fully agree that 10 and anything above is madness 23.56.37 # hab eine Frage zu WPS 23.56.38 # no, i dont mean like the fading time 23.56.40 # midkay, i still get that data abort :) 23.56.43 # GRINGO1984: english, please <- 23.56.44 # crashd: activity fadein that is, not inactivity :) 23.56.47 # ahh 23.56.49 # GRINGO1984: english please 23.56.50 # helo 23.56.53 # hi 23.56.56 # have a question to wps 23.57.01 # how can I disable the peakmeter? 23.57.08 # Yash: it's set in the .wps 23.57.11 # how can i start a wps theme 23.57.49 # GRINGO1984: menu->browse themes 23.58.18 # Mikachu, .wps? I had the Theme.cfg, is that the one? 23.58.24 # have* 23.58.24 # no 23.58.38 # if you look in the .cfg, you see it references a .wps file, open that 23.58.54 # i cant find manu