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00.00.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: I've successfully added/removed hardware simply by editing the .vmx file (or at least modified hardware, to get my CD-Rom recognized, and to remove the floppy, and disable USB)
00.01.39 #       <XavierGr> really? I thought it had to do with software.
00.02.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: I dunno. So far I've only disabled a few things, and changed the CD-Rom from /dev/ whatever to D: so that it worked in windows.
00.02.10 #       <XavierGr> Paul: Can you access your NTFS files from the emulate Linux machine?
00.02.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: I dunno. I've created a shortcut on my desktop to my home folder on the Linux machine, and just manipulate them from windows, rather than the other way around.
00.03.23 #       <XavierGr> ah so linux can see your windows files.
00.03.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So windows can see my linux files.
00.03.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But, close enough
00.03.53 #       <XavierGr> I want to edit files from windows and then compile them through linux
00.04.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, while running the VM, check under your local area network and it should show up as a computer on it.
00.04.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Your Home folder on the virtual linux machine is actually shared on the network, so you can directly modify files in it rather easily
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00.10.02 #       <XavierGr> ahh, shite! I have disabled all LAN services in WIndows XP.
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00.10.20 #       <XavierGr> And I am too lazy to reenable them.
00.10.27 #       <webguest11> Can't you still browse
00.10.37 #       <webguest11> Start > Run > \\debian
00.10.39 #       <webguest11> and enter
00.10.47 #       <webguest11> user:user pass:rockbox
00.11.01 #       <XavierGr> no, it can't find it
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00.11.15 #       <webguest11> Strange
00.12.01 #       <XavierGr> I have disabled many services like "server" and stuff.
00.12.16 #       <afruff23> anybody need a good laugh? Read the last two pages of this thread. It has 2 PRO-MTP guys. Media Transfer Protocol vs. USB Mass Storage; who will win?
00.12.16 #       <XavierGr> hmmm
00.12.17 #       <afruff23> http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showthread.php?t=7164&page=4
00.13.09 #       <webguest11> XavierGr: I don't see why it shouldn't still be able to work as a client.. but that's windows for you I guess
00.13.20 #       <XavierGr> I will make a small FAT32 partition. Then I will mount it on Linux. From there I could easily alter fines from windows and compile from Linux without either OS knowing of the other,
00.13.46 #       <webguest11> The guest OS can't see your host hardware
00.13.55 #       <webguest11> and vice versa
00.14.23 #       <XavierGr> I think it could. At least with Full VMware.
00.14.29 #       <webguest11> They'll pretty much have to communicate over the virtual network (unless you install full vmware and use raw disk access, but that's discouraged)
00.15.03 #       <XavierGr> Only to think that I have a very good cygwin setup.
00.15.19 #       <XavierGr> But the time savings of compile is very tempting
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00.17.34 #       <XavierGr> Hmm I had disabled network connectivity from VMware. Now windows can see the files
00.17.39 #       <XavierGr> Thanks webguest11@
00.18.11 #       <webguest11> Ah, well that'd explain it yes..
00.18.22 #       <webguest11> it is indeed amazingy handy
00.18.48 #       <XavierGr> so how windows manage to see a linux PC?
00.18.52 #       <XavierGr> Samba?
00.18.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup
00.19.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or "Yes"
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00.19.42 #       <XavierGr> Nice, nice indeed. Now I've got to find copy paste.
00.20.46 #       <webguest11> XavierGr: Download http://the.earth.li/~sgtatham/putty/latest/x86/putty.exe run it, enter "debian" as address and click open
00.22.19 #       * Bagder spots 2.6.16
00.22.42 #       <preglow> let's port rockbox to linux!!
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00.23.34 #       <Bagder> :-P
00.23.36 #       <webguest11> Fullscreen sim!1!11one
00.24.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If the Rockbox sim ran a little bit better, it'd make a decent stand-alone audio player.
00.24.12 #       <Bagder> we should make it run better
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00.24.41 #       <XavierGr> "Network Error Connection Refused"
00.24.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: Is yours the new or old VMWare setup?
00.25.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: Because the original image didn't have SSH.
00.25.10 #       <XavierGr> don't tell me
00.25.22 #       <XavierGr> image size?
00.25.44 #       <XavierGr> 92.3mb for me
00.25.58 #       <XavierGr> 96.825.983 bytes
00.25.59 #       <webguest11> dpkg --list ssh
00.26.27 #       <webguest11> That should either show a version or tell that now such package is installed
00.26.37 #       <webguest11> either way, apt-get install ssh will take care of it
00.26.39 #       <XavierGr> yup. no packages found
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00.26.46 #       <webguest11> wait, no
00.27.07 #       <webguest11> apt-get install openssh-server
00.27.24 #       <webguest11> (as root)
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00.29.09 #       <XavierGr> it couldn't find openssh-server so I just installed ssh
00.29.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is ssh just the client though?
00.29.34 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wouldn't know.
00.29.42 #       <webguest11> No, I think ssh includes both
00.29.52 #       <webguest11> openssh-server is apparently newer than sarge
00.29.57 #       <XavierGr> Allow ssh protocl 2 only?
00.30.02 #       <webguest11> yes
00.32.11 #       <XavierGr> ok all is fine now I managed to log in.
00.32.21 #       <XavierGr> BTW how is it possible that I am logged twice?
00.32.40 #       <XavierGr> what If I run another instance of ssh and log again?
00.32.49 #       <webguest11> There's no problem in that
00.33.09 #       <webguest11> you can do it pretty much as many times as you want
00.33.29 #       <XavierGr> so now I can copy paste to putty.
00.33.48 #       <XavierGr> so everything I want to do is type it there
00.33.53 #       <XavierGr> ah I got it
00.34.02 #       <XavierGr> it is like commanding the linux maching from ssh
00.34.09 #       <XavierGr> maching = machine
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00.34.41 #       <XavierGr> Great! Your help is valuable webguest11! Thanks again.
00.34.47 #       <webguest11> Exactly
00.35.15 #       <webguest11> Of course it all gets vastly more confusing since both computers are the same computer
00.35.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
00.36.23 #       <XavierGr> -bash: ../tools/configure: Permission denied Do I have to be root to do this?
00.36.46 #       * Paul_The_Nerd has never needed to be root to do that...
00.37.05 #       <Bagder> XavierGr: no
00.37.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: Did you just copy over your sources, or did you use CVS to download it?
00.38.19 #       <XavierGr> Truth is that I copied my entire cvs to the new linux folder.
00.38.28 #       <XavierGr> Right now I am downloading a new cvs
00.39.46 #       <XavierGr> I am very curious to see how much faster it is from cygwin
00.39.57 #       <Moos> preglow in case you didn't sptoted it yet: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-03/0171.shtml
00.40.03 #       <Bagder> should be a lot faster
00.40.13 #       <XavierGr> So paul it seems that I have the old image. Any packages that I must install?
00.40.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: I'd recommend apt-get installing zip at least, as I've found "Make zip" doesn't work very well without it. ;-)
00.41.03 #       <XavierGr> what abput patch or cvs utils?
00.41.09 #       <XavierGr> ^about
00.41.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Patch is needed as well
00.41.11 #       <midkay> Bagder, btw, cool that you updated the main page with a better list of targets.. what do you think about a quick mention of a few features as well? (e.g. codec support - ogg/flac/wavpack playback on the iRivers - definitely an attractor)..
00.41.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I don't *think* cvsutils are there, but I don't use them generally so I haven't checked
00.41.45 #       <Bagder> midkay: I don't think we need that there
00.42.03 #       <Bagder> but then I am old and grumpy ;-)
00.42.29 #       <webguest11> I agree with whoever said a few days ago that the webpage doesn't convey much information for the newcomer
00.42.49 #       <webguest11> Like why would I use rockbox over the retailos
00.42.53 #       <midkay> Bagder, if you say so. :) i just think that there might be some instances where someone comes by and wonders why he should use it and why it's better than the iriver firmware.. one or two major rockbox features might make them take a second look (not that it's our loss if they don't) :)
00.43.25 #       <midkay> especially the wide range of codec support.. crossfading and gapless as well..
00.43.42 #       <Bagder> I'd rather see a big link like "First Visistors Guide to What Rockbox is" or something like that
00.43.54 #       <midkay> things that many people probably think are very much impossible on the device..
00.44.00 #       <markun> Bagder: and what it is not
00.44.19 #       <preglow> aRGH
00.44.20 #       <midkay> Bagder, ah, like a brief introduction..
00.44.21 #       <Bagder> it is a device for blind people, right? ;-)
00.44.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> How 'bout this:
00.44.36 #       <midkay> haha, yes, that's also a very nice feature :)
00.44.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A link at the very top that says "Why choose Rockbox?" and leads to a Key Features-style page.
00.45.03 #       <Bagder> I like that
00.45.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That way it doesn't stuff up the front page, but still clearly tells people where to go for a quick summary and incentive to change.
00.45.18 #       <Moos> isn't the numerous features link enough? maybe change his name?
00.45.20 #       <midkay> i wouldn't mind creating a wiki page like that if it's something that would be added to the front page..
00.45.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Moos: The numerous features page tends to confuse absolute newbies with too much info.
00.45.40 #       <midkay> Moos, it's kind of long and (almost) complicated..
00.45.50 #       <Bagder> maybe that link should then be removed
00.45.51 #       <Moos> hehe, right :-)
00.45.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think plaintext is easier for the uninitiated than a complicated table
00.46.24 #       <midkay> tons of effectively irrelevant information for many new users.. maybe remove the features link and add a "Why should I use Rockbox?" link to the top or in its place..
00.46.34 #       <Bagder> yes
00.46.35 #       <Moos> midkay, Paul_The_Nerd: go make a new Wiki page then ;-)
00.46.54 #       <midkay> again, i would if there were interest.. and there appears to be, hmm.. :)
00.47.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Get to it! :-P
00.47.03 #       <XavierGr> FrontpageImplementationProposal
00.47.12 #       <Bagder> no
00.47.23 #       <Bagder> just the page for the "Why Choose Rockbox"
00.47.34 #       <midkay> haha.
00.47.44 #       <midkay> so, like.. WhyRockbox i guess?
00.47.51 #       <Bagder> sounds fine to me
00.48.06 #       <midkay> alright. *wiki-ing* :)
00.50.58 #       <XavierGr> which is the command for detailed current time?
00.51.10 #       <XavierGr> I used date but I can't find seconds
00.51.56 #       <midkay> %s probably? it's all in CustomWPS..
00.52.01 #       <midkay> no, wait..
00.52.18 #       <XavierGr> I mean in Linux
00.52.26 #       <midkay> oh. haha. no idea..
00.53.31 #       <XavierGr> found it
00.55.13 #       <XavierGr> silly me it displays seconds by default.
00.55.28 #       <XavierGr> now time for benchmark
00.55.33 #       <midkay> haha.
00.55.34 #       <midkay> :)
00.55.46 #       <XavierGr> time && make && time
00.55.54 #       <XavierGr> time = date
00.56.53 #       <XavierGr> it seems fast!
00.57.25 #       <XavierGr> (I hope this is not placebo)
00.57.36 #       <preglow> argh
00.57.50 #       <preglow> i assume the stereo width setting is not supposed to glitch around 100% setting?
00.58.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: For many people it takes half the time
00.59.25 #       <linuxstb> Has anyone compared VMWare/Linux with native Linux on the same hardware?
00.59.27 #       <markun> preglow: if that's just left - mono and right - mono I don't think it should glitch
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00.59.42 #       <XavierGr> shite! Putty doesn't have a big screen buffer and I lost the starting time. I will rerun after make clean
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01.00.08 #       <linuxstb> XavierGr: Just type "time make"
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01.00.28 #       <Bagder> also, on linux you should consider using "configure --ccache"
01.00.35 #       <XavierGr> that will time a command?
01.00.40 #       <Bagder> but now I'll sleep!
01.00.41 #       <linuxstb> XavierGr: Yes.
01.00.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ccache?
01.00.53 #       <XavierGr> nite Bagder!
01.00.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 'night Bagder
01.00.57 #       <XavierGr> Neat!
01.00.59 #       <midkay> night Bagder 
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01.01.30 #       <sharpe> blah.
01.01.32 #       <XavierGr> wow! make clean and make veryclean is very fast on linux
01.02.20 #       <preglow> markun: no, it shouldn't glitch, i'm just doing something wrong in the fixed point stuff here
01.02.47 #       <webguest11> XavierGr: you can define the screen buffer size in the putty options.. somewhere
01.02.50 #       <bagawk> XavierGr: yes, using cygwin is like putting a ferrari stearing wheel in a ford pinto
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01.03.31 #       <XavierGr> webguest11 are there any mods for putty? To customize fonts screen e.t.c? Or all these are part of putty?
01.03.58 #       <XavierGr> real    1m29.667s
01.03.58 #       <XavierGr> user    0m27.296s
01.03.58 #       <XavierGr> sys     1m1.921s
01.04.27 #       <XavierGr> so it did 1 minute and 30 seconds from a make veryclean state.
01.04.32 #       <XavierGr> That seems superb
01.05.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Took me 1m41s, including Doom.
01.05.10 #       <webguest11> XavierGr: All part of putty, you can set it before you connect, or change some of them by right-clicking the titlebar and choose.. something
01.05.19 #       <webguest11> Should be obvious
01.05.26 #       <webguest11> which one to chose, that is
01.05.44 #       <XavierGr> no wait. I see some nothing to make in the build log.
01.05.47 #       <XavierGr> I will do it again.
01.06.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: Probably just the bitmaps
01.07.18 #       <XavierGr> If things go as I imagine.... I will be in 7th heaven!
01.07.22 #       <XavierGr> You made my day.
01.07.37 #       <XavierGr> It is *sweet*....
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01.08.21 #       <XavierGr> real    1m31.698s yippie!
01.08.29 #       <XavierGr> for the h120 build
01.09.54 #       <joelbryan> Hi I would like to install Rockbox in my ipod mini, does it support ipod mini?
01.10.05 #       <XavierGr> I think not yet...
01.10.09 #       <midkay> joelbryan, no.
01.10.20 #       <midkay> "not yet", right..
01.10.23 #       <joelbryan> :-(
01.10.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Definitely "not yet"
01.10.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Some work has been done I believe, but it's mostly due to a lack of hardware to test anything on, right?
01.10.51 #       <midkay> not sure..
01.10.54 #       <XavierGr> right
01.10.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I recall someone doing work on it at least.
01.11.30 #       <joelbryan> fund an ipod
01.11.52 #       <XavierGr> ok becnhmark for cygwin started!
01.12.03 #       * XavierGr crosses fingers
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01.12.05 #       <joelbryan> fund an ipod for dev's project.
01.12.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There are several devs with iPods, they're just 4Gs, 5Gs and Nanos
01.12.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And most of the core devs have their own bits they're working on anyway, so it really needs someone with a Mini to come along and work on it
01.13.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I *think* there was someone with a Mini doing some work, but I haven't seen much talk about it lately. I'm not sure where they went.
01.13.10 #       <joelbryan> mine I just bought it for less than $100, ipod mini
01.13.50 #       <midkay> XavierGr, crossing fingers for a slow build? :))
01.14.01 #       <XavierGr> something like that hehe :D
01.14.13 #       <midkay> hahaha..
01.14.22 #       <midkay> just what i'd do :)
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01.15.14 #       <XavierGr> it is slow! Slow like a turtle.
01.15.29 #       <XavierGr> It is building the plugins right now. Let's see
01.15.40 #       <midkay> haha.
01.15.58 #       <midkay> XavierGr, you're just starting to use.. CoLinux? VMWare?
01.16.11 #       <XavierGr> VMware.
01.16.34 #       <midkay> i remember seeing some info about that on the site somewhere - can anyone provide a link?
01.16.35 #       <XavierGr> but know that I got some more into it I will definitely use coLinux to to see any differences
01.16.40 #       <sharpe> 'cause he's cool like that.
01.16.52 #       <midkay> sharpe, what's up? :)
01.16.53 #       <XavierGr> real    4m27.352s <------ LOL
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01.17.08 #       <sharpe> not much, eating, doing class work, etc
01.17.08 #       <midkay> haha. very cool.
01.17.14 #       <midkay> i waanaaananananannt vmwaaaaaaarre...
01.17.15 #       <XavierGr> That's it! I am done with cygwin.
01.17.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
01.17.28 #       <XavierGr> you mean the full version?
01.17.36 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, that's it. thanks.
01.17.42 #       <midkay> XavierGr, um, whatever you've got. :)
01.17.56 #       <XavierGr> because I did it with just the player which is free. (Although I have the full too)
01.18.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The player works fine for this.
01.18.36 #       <midkay> i'll just use player, i think.
01.18.39 #       <XavierGr> yes, definitely.
01.18.41 #       <sharpe> oh midkay, in addition to the eating and class work, i'm also slightly miserable. so, it's all good.
01.18.57 #       <sharpe> :)
01.20.00 #       <XavierGr> I wonder where amiconn build his stuff. IIRC he uses windows, so he must use something among the three. (coLinux, Cygwin, VMware)
01.20.19 #       <sharpe> i use cygwin
01.20.19 #       <midkay> sharpe, even better. :)
01.20.35 #       <midkay> whaddaluser!!
01.20.43 #       <midkay> (well, i do too.. but.. i plan to use vmware soon!!.. )
01.20.44 #       <midkay> :)
01.20.50 #       <sharpe> ;)
01.21.43 #       <sharpe> i'm watching the fairly odd parents, and eating spaghetti... then, maybe off to code the wps loader some more.
01.21.54 #       <XavierGr> now I will have to import my settings, profiles, aliases, scripts and stuff. And my new development tree will be ready.
01.23.10 #       <midkay> sharpe, haha, cool.
01.24.05 #       <sharpe> yeh, i lead a leisurely life.
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01.26.45 #       <midkay> sharpe, well... continue, then. :)
01.26.52 #       <sharpe> :)
01.29.34 #       <midkay> XavierGr, what CPU are you running?
01.29.52 #       <XavierGr> intel pentium 4 at 3.0Ghz
01.29.59 #       <midkay> cool. :)
01.30.11 #       <XavierGr> you
01.30.18 #       <midkay> a64 3700+ at 2.4ghz.
01.30.36 #       <XavierGr> that will be faster than mine, correct?
01.30.42 #       <midkay> just curious what cpu got you 1m 30s with vmware..
01.30.49 #       <midkay> yes, probably slightly..
01.31.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: My 1:40 was with doom, and I'm on an Athlon64 Mobile 3400+
01.31.18 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, cool, i remember doom itself taking like 45 seconds or a minute on cygwin for me..
01.31.29 #       <midkay> that was the "old" doom though.. not the latest "new code" one..
01.31.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: This is the old doom. I was building for Nano, which the new code doesn't like last I checked.
01.31.47 #       <XavierGr> I bought my brothers an amd sempron 64bit. I installed him windows XP proffesional 64 bit version. Only to find that there are major miscompatibilities
01.31.53 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, right.. great.
01.32.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Also, it's an AMD64 mobile DTR, so the speed should be comparable to the desktop version of the 3400+
01.32.13 #       <midkay> XavierGr, yes, xp 64 is .. well, a nightmare, in the end.. :)
01.32.22 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, cool.
01.32.24 #       <XavierGr> so you have 32bit windows or?
01.32.39 #       <midkay> XavierGr, i tried out 64-bit.. had a little trouble getting the right drivers.. much more with some apps i really needed..
01.32.54 #       <midkay> decided to hold off until there's more support and compatibility.
01.33.03 #       <midkay> wasn't "that much" faster in any case..
01.33.06 #       <XavierGr> yeah. I got problems with that all the time.
01.33.16 #       <midkay> so i'm on 32-bit still, yeah.
01.33.19 #       <XavierGr> My brother made me to install 32 bit again
01.33.29 #       <midkay> haha. good choice..
01.33.54 #       <midkay> i think by the time vista ships , support should be much better.. maybe that's when i'll go 64-bit..
01.34.11 #       <midkay> or try again, at the least.
01.34.11 #       <XavierGr> I don't plan to upgrade to Vista.
01.34.28 #       <midkay> your decision. :)
01.34.30 #       <XavierGr> I think that when Vista is out, I will try to convert to linux
01.35.06 #       <midkay> i'd consider linux if i didn't have such dependencies on some apps and notably games..
01.35.07 #       <midkay> :)
01.35.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, vista has too many "oh, but you can't..." stipulations with it.
01.35.26 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, what?
01.35.30 #       <XavierGr> Only with a dualboot we can survive
01.35.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, for one thing it's supposed to disallow unsigned drivers entirely
01.35.45 #       <midkay> XavierGr, yes, for me.. and then it's almost pointless.. having to go back to XP all the time..
01.35.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then there's that whole "trusted computing" business.
01.35.48 #       <sharpe> essentially the same for me midkay, except i have some hardware that only is supported by windows...
01.35.59 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, they can't just disallow unsigned drivers..
01.36.03 #       <XavierGr> midkay: Of course there is VMware!
01.36.20 #       <midkay> i'm sure they'll strongly suggest you don't use them, but there should definitely be an option in system properties to disable such warnings or preventions..
01.36.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: That's what the statement I read at microsoft.com somewhere said...
01.36.28 #       <midkay> sharpe, that too..
01.36.39 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs.
01.36.45 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, i wouldn't believe it if that made it into the final release.. that's nuts.
01.37.07 #       <sharpe> and my wireless card is only supported by windows, and i don't feel like shelling out more for one to work with linux...
01.37.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: I think it's nuts too, but I'm definitely waiting for a final say on that before I even think about upgrading. I also want to know how much "Trusted computing" actually gets in the way.
01.37.18 #       <midkay> not that there wouldn't be workarounds i guess.. hacks/third party patches to disable it, or even "faking" signed drivers..
01.37.39 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, right.. i plan to upgrade, but i do want to hear about all the restrictions before i do..
01.37.53 #       <XavierGr> Vista is a very good reason to convert to linux I must say.
01.38.10 #       <midkay> XavierGr, why in your opinion?
01.38.20 #       <XavierGr> Maybe Vista will be the big nail into Microsoft if they don't watch out.
01.38.46 #       <XavierGr> midkay: I am a devoted Windows user, only to discover how locked I am with Microsoft
01.39.01 #       <midkay> hmm..
01.39.03 #       <midkay> btw:
01.39.05 #       <midkay> The Driver Reliability Signature Program
01.39.05 #       <midkay> Beginning with the Windows Vista operating system, users who are not administrators will not be able to install unsigned drivers. ...
01.39.05 #       <midkay> www.microsoft.com/whdc/winlogo/drvsign/dqs.mspx - 35k - Cached - Similar pages
01.39.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: My big concern is the "trusted computing" modes though. Theoretically with newer processors, programs will be able to have portions of themselves outside of the ability for the user to access, even with administrative priveleges. I don't like that idea at all.
01.39.45 #       <XavierGr> This mistake mustnt be repeated again. 90 % of the people did the same mistake back then. But then there were no alternatives
01.39.46 #       <midkay> general consensus seems to be that only admins can install any driver.
01.39.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> privileges
01.40.14 #       <XavierGr> If poeple turn out to open source things will be much better.
01.40.15 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, true.. i definitely want to hear about things like that before i move to it..
01.40.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Well, that's fair then. Last I read was part of a general release statement sort of thing about the drivers.
01.40.25 #       <XavierGr> I imagine a world free of OSes
01.40.37 #       <XavierGr> Imagaine the whole world using Linux
01.40.47 #       <XavierGr> Free, fast and safe
01.41.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It was vague on it, and simply said something like "Users will be unable to install unsigned drivers" but didn't specify that admins could.
01.41.06 #       <XavierGr> companies will crack and start writing apps drivers and games
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01.41.21 #       <XavierGr> then all will be unified!
01.41.46 #       <XavierGr> No more "Hey I can't run this on my system" Or my HD isn't recognized by your OS.
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01.42.18 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, it's possible that they said that at first and decided to change it..
01.42.19 #       <XavierGr> It is like the metric and the US system. It is just crazy that the world doesn't want to change to one.
01.42.31 #       <midkay> XavierGr, haha. "fast"? even if that, major incompatibilities..
01.42.57 #       <midkay> if Linux worked with all my apps, games, and hardware, quickly and easily. i'd be there immediately.
01.43.01 #       <XavierGr> major incompatibilities will be obsolete once Linux gets a userbase.
01.43.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: It's also possible it was yet another of those press releases by an uninformed middle-management person. There have been a few "What they were *supposed* to say was..." style retractions so far
01.43.38 #       <nudel> i think it's ridiculous that a non-admin can install a program let alone an unsigned driver at the moment
01.44.19 #       <XavierGr> I am nuts! I am on Windows on the net and use the admin account as my main!
01.44.33 #       <XavierGr> But I have hardware firewall.
01.44.39 #       <midkay> xp is great for its (IMO) wide range of compatibility.. often i just plug in a new device and within seconds "Your hardware is installed and ready to use".. that makes me smile.. no drivers/config modification, mounting, permissions.. ugh.
01.45.04 #       <XavierGr> midkay: Linux didn't had the chance to be like it.
01.45.05 #       <midkay> it's not exactly that all of that is too hard, but i'd reallly prefer it to just work..
01.45.06 #       <nudel> often i plug in an old device and it says my hardware is installed and i have to reboot :) (stupid USB bus)
01.45.15 #       <XavierGr> Current userbase is 5%
01.45.22 #       <XavierGr> Companies just don't bother
01.45.30 #       <midkay> and then dependencies and libraries.. that require other libraries which in turn require other libraries..
01.45.38 #       <XavierGr> but when that changes Microsoft and Apple will eat dust.
01.45.47 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, haha, yes, that too perhaps
01.46.19 #       <XavierGr> We should support linux even if we don't like some things in Linux
01.46.26 #       <XavierGr> It's free after all!
01.46.35 #       <nudel> but OS X is Unix with a user-friendly front-end... pretty much exactly what people who want unix to be popular hav ebeen wanting, except it's closed source and costs money...
01.46.57 #       <nudel> linux isn't free in terms of time and effort. money isn't everything. i've got a lot more money than time :)
01.46.58 #       <XavierGr> Truth is that I am delaying the convert, but when I will make the leap I will never look back.
01.47.03 #       <midkay> XavierGr, linux won't get a userbase until it's much easier and "better" - why should you switch? nobody will if there's no reason. <linux> "Our OS is free and open-source, but it takes very long to configure and you need to compile all your own stuff, and install your own drivers and libraries manually." that's not very enticing to most xp users, is it?
01.47.32 #       <XavierGr> Have you used Ubuntu?
01.47.42 #       <XavierGr> I was amazed at start
01.47.57 #       <XavierGr> but I am waiting for some more improvements
01.48.07 #       <midkay> nudel, agreed at that. at least by default. you can restrict accounts further, of course..
01.48.10 #       <nudel> a friend gave me a ubunto boot CD that's been sittin gon my speaker for a few months. haven't had a reason to look at it.
01.48.27 #       <XavierGr> at least give it a chance
01.48.36 #       <XavierGr> I won't say that you will convert with it.
01.48.38 #       <nudel> linux needs a killer app beyond the whole philosophical thing
01.48.40 #       <XavierGr> But you will change your mind
01.48.59 #       <XavierGr> Or try Kubuntu if you are a desktop guy
01.49.12 #       <XavierGr> yes that is true
01.49.30 #       <XavierGr> but the big leaps will not come unless it has a bigger userbase.
01.49.48 #       <nudel> chicken & egg :)
01.50.03 #       <XavierGr> well ;p ....
01.50.21 #       <XavierGr> I just don't like black boxes!
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01.50.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The problem is that *most* people won't switch if what they've currently got is "Good enough" and the new think doesn't Look cool"
01.51.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why do you think there are some people who prefer iRiver's firmware to Rockbox still
01.51.09 #       <nudel> I'd rather have documentation and a company/team that fixes bugs than access to the source code... Sadly Microsoft don't provide any of the above, although their documentation is better than most.
01.51.24 #       <XavierGr> Paul_The_Nerd: Are there such people? I am amazed!
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01.51.59 #       <midkay> XavierGr, good luck getting it to change..
01.52.21 #       <XavierGr> It is harsh. I already tried once. And I failed.
01.52.40 #       <XavierGr> But I have to do it someday. The cup is full....
01.52.43 #       <midkay> there's just no reason to switch. Linux needs to offer more than customizability and development tools to get more users.
01.53.05 #       <XavierGr> That's why I mentioned Ubuntu
01.53.19 #       <XavierGr> Ubuntu is the perfect desktop linux distro.
01.53.39 #       <XavierGr> Having a desktop like KDE make WIndows desktop look like a mice.
01.53.58 #       <XavierGr> Though problems still exist.
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01.54.28 #       <XavierGr> And the most discusting thing in Linux is to see various developers waste their man power to apps that overlap.
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01.54.54 #       <XavierGr> many apps for the same thing... that is a very bad aspect of Linux
01.55.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I bet most of those developers could list a reason why they think either the apps don't overlap, or why they think the *other* app is the inferior one and should just stop.
01.55.30 #       <XavierGr> Linux needs as you've said killer apps like the whole KDE implementation
01.55.53 #       <XavierGr> There are too many forks in Linux
01.56.00 #       <XavierGr> Look at rockbox f.e
01.56.15 #       <midkay> i used ubunto for a bit.. i personally didn't like it, at least compared to mandriva that i was using before that..
01.56.15 #       <XavierGr> I don't know any forks in rockbox
01.56.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: There's two. I think Bluechip has one, and there's definitely one for some in-car MP3 player if I recall
01.56.54 #       <XavierGr> Well I didn't like Gnome in Ubuntu, Kubuntu fits my needs much more
01.57.07 #       <preglow> i don't think bluechip's got an actual fork
01.57.13 #       <preglow> only proper fork i know of is the neo thing
01.57.38 #       <XavierGr> Interesting, I didn't know that there were forks.
01.57.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Hrm. I remember someone linking to what was practically a fork, but I could've been wrong. I just skimmed the page, it may have just been a collection of plugins/patches/something
01.58.01 #       <midkay> bluechip has a few of his own plugins.. so he needs to maintain compatibility with current CVS, or recent builds.. that's not quite a fork, i guess.
01.58.42 #       <XavierGr> from my little (to noce) experience I have to say that forks look bad to me.
01.58.51 #       <XavierGr> noce = none
02.00.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Forks aren't exactly preventable if your code is GPL licensed though.
02.00.37 #       <XavierGr> Sometimes I think that if someone would force me to use Linux it would be better in the end.... ;p
02.01.42 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: the neo car mp3 player thing?
02.02.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: What about the neo thing?
02.03.44 #       <XavierGr> what's the status of this neo thingie?
02.04.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's at openneo.org I think.
02.04.11 #       <webguest11> XavierGr: KDE is cluttered and horrible - Gnome is the one true DE. For every app you think overlap, the developers (and a lot of the users) would indeed disagree with you
02.04.15 #       <ze> XavierGr: i've seen the argument that there's no need for opensource firmware on <insert mp3 player>
02.04.25 #       <ze> XavierGr: some amount of competition is healthy of course
02.04.41 #       <webguest11> (I'm not trying to sstart a DE war - just illustrating that there isn't an obvious overlap where one could just be thrown out)
02.04.46 #       <XavierGr> yes
02.05.01 #       <ze> XavierGr: but i agree there should probably be more cooperation in many instances of opensource apps
02.05.07 #       <XavierGr> I don't say that forks should be banned. I just think that most of the times they lead to nowhere
02.05.55 #       <webguest11> Forks don't happen by accident, but because there's a need for the fork.
02.06.02 #       <XavierGr> webguest11: I didn't like Gnome at all. No customization at all. It is like a very sleek and fast Win 3.1 enviroment
02.06.14 #       <ze> personally i don't like gnome or kde... i think its so much bloat and dependancy nightmare without any significant gain
02.06.20 #       <XavierGr> KDE is a little bloated but it has many features
02.06.44 #       <XavierGr> ze: and what do you like?
02.06.56 #       <webguest11> XavierGr: as I said, I don't want to argue DEs, just illlustrate that there are differences and one couldn't be thrown out in favour of the other -  the same goes for other examples
02.07.07 #       <XavierGr> ofcourse
02.07.09 #       <ze> just a simple window manager
02.07.17 #       <ze> and various misc apps
02.07.27 #       <XavierGr> WHile I don't like GNOME I can see the good things it has to offer.
02.07.39 #       <ze> whatever seems best for the job, irrespective of any "team persuasion" the app might have
02.07.47 #       <XavierGr> Alternatives allways are good if they make the user thesis better.
02.08.11 #       <webguest11> But you seem to miss that every fork is there for a reason, and because the people behind them want them
02.08.15 #       <ze> i often find it unfortunate that an app that could prove to be the best happens to come with so much baggage because of its "team persuasion"
02.09.06 #       <ze> mostly unfortunate because such are actually rare enough not to warrant so much baggage... if they were the norm, most of that baggage would be shared and it'd be fine
02.09.16 #       <XavierGr> But thats the point in linux, customization. If you don't like it you change it.
02.09.41 #       <XavierGr> You want something simple load Gnome. You want features load KDE
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02.10.04 #       <XavierGr> But there are already many, many DE in Linux
02.10.15 #       <XavierGr> and some are forks of the forks
02.10.24 #       <webguest11> And each serve a different purpose. I don't see any harm in that
02.10.31 #       <XavierGr> Look at simple KDE for example.
02.10.35 #       <webguest11> This is much like the "omg don't spend time on Doom!" argument
02.10.53 #       <XavierGr> It was an excellent idea to make it simple but keep the relation with it.
02.11.02 #       <XavierGr> now the main dev said it will be a fork.
02.11.13 #       <XavierGr> webguest11: That's different
02.11.22 #       <webguest11> Not by much
02.11.51 #       <XavierGr> I didn't say that devs must be forced to do something or make a coup detat on open source.
02.12.11 #       <XavierGr> A little more organization would be better.
02.12.27 #       <midkay> this is rather fascinating: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:WorldMilitarySpending.jpg
02.12.32 #       <webguest11> You seem to me, to be saying that work is something that can be moved around, and lumped together, and if there wasn't a fork, there'd be one project with the same amount of work done as the two combined
02.13.27 #       <webguest11> midkay: the one that surprises me the most is Saudi Arabia
02.13.30 #       <XavierGr> not all the times. But certainly if the devs are behind the same motivation a lot more can be done
02.14.12 #       <webguest11> But they aren't.. there's no way to do maths on this
02.14.32 #       <XavierGr> no I can't. Just speculating
02.15.51 #       <webguest11> It just seems pointless to say "If these two groups with wildly different goals worked together.."
02.17.56 #       <webguest11> This argument comes up every other time a software release is mentioned on slashdot
02.18.15 #       <XavierGr> Well I just don't like to see many active fronts, while companies are rubbing their hands from the money that get for crappy applications.
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02.20.54 #       <Zal91> Hello everyone
02.22.07 #       * BHSPitMonkey hypnotized by Bubbles
02.22.10 #       <Zal91> Can someone explain how to apply a patch?
02.22.21 #       <XavierGr> did you read the wiki?
02.22.26 #       <Zal91> I have read the wiki
02.22.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zal91: This specifically: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches
02.22.47 #       <XavierGr> can you compile rockbox?
02.23.00 #       <Zal91> What compiler do I need
02.23.45 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
02.23.55 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
02.24.05 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UsingCVS
02.24.11 #       <sharpe> heheh
02.24.14 #       <XavierGr> unfortunately you have to do some reading
02.24.22 #       <Zal91> Well since I can't ,can someone apply a patch for me?
02.24.29 #       <BHSPitMonkey> agh. my eyes!
02.24.30 #       <BHSPitMonkey> lol
02.24.33 #       <sharpe> what target?
02.24.39 #       <BHSPitMonkey> you "can't"?
02.24.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Can't read?
02.24.53 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders how we're communicating.
02.24.53 #       <sharpe> lol
02.25.03 #       * sharpe thinks he can read...
02.25.10 #       <XavierGr> hehe
02.25.42 #       <XavierGr> Zal91: It would be good to at least try. Once you learn this it will make your patching life much more easy
02.25.51 #       <Zal91> Pleeeeeeease, LOL
02.26.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zal91: The problem with someone patching for you is in about 12 hours, a new feature will be added to rockbox
02.26.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And then you'll be back here asking for another patched build
02.26.38 #       <Zal91> Im reading
02.26.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Give a man a fish, feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish, feed him for life."
02.26.51 #       <Zal91> I compiled some programs before in VB 2k5
02.27.16 #       <sharpe> mmm...
02.27.31 #       <XavierGr> well it has nothing to do with VB. It would be a little strange at start but when you learn it it will be quite easy
02.28.36 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots
02.28.43 #       <XavierGr> this will make your life easier
02.29.42 #       <Zal91> Hmm I nerver can get Cygwin to work with my box
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02.30.03 #       <webguest11> Wow, some blind people thought that Rockbox was purely for the visually impaired.. I never would've thought
02.30.13 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CoLinuxDevelopmentPlatform
02.30.13 #       <webguest11> (on the ml)
02.30.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zal91: You are truly fortunate then, for we have alternates: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
02.30.19 #       <XavierGr> or
02.30.21 #       <XavierGr> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
02.30.31 #       <XavierGr> haha
02.30.45 #       <webguest11> VMware probably requires the least work
02.30.52 #       <XavierGr> yes
02.31.04 #       <Zal91> Can I just boot nto linux
02.31.10 #       <Zal91> via Dual boot
02.31.27 #       <XavierGr> hey Zal91: I just learned the vmware ethod if that makes you feel better.
02.31.54 #       <webguest11> Zal91: You have linux installed already?
02.32.06 #       <Zal91> Yeah
02.32.10 #       <Zal91> Debian
02.32.20 #       <webguest11> Ah, well then that's the way to go, really
02.32.29 #       <webguest11> unless you're somehow tied into Windows
02.32.59 #       <webguest11> Linux is the least painful platform to develop on
02.33.12 #       <XavierGr> see Zal91, you are much more fitted to learn compile rockbox than me.
02.33.16 #       <webguest11> Although the vmware way is a bit faster to get going
02.33.57 #       <Zal91> Im DLing the files
02.34.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Anyone here have the "What are you sinking?" link?
02.34.15 #       <Zal91> I just wanted to apply the new Rockboy patch
02.34.27 #       <webguest11> Zal91: which files, for what?
02.34.49 #       <Zal91> #  Download and install VMware player from http://www.vmware.com/download/player/ - Direct download.
02.34.59 #       <Zal91> #  Download the Rockbox VMware image (~ 85 Mb self-extracting) from http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/vmware/rockbox-dev-2.exe
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02.35.06 #       <webguest11> Ah, okay
02.35.59 #       <Zal91> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4857 <<< Thats the patch I want to apply
02.36.08 #       <webguest11> If you ever want to develop in Linux natively, the page to read is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler (I believe)
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02.36.27 #       <webguest11> All those steps are already done in the vmware image
02.37.24 #       <Zal91> AHH the files are taking forever to download, and I have to go soon.
02.37.30 #       <Zal91> Crappy DSL conection
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02.39.07 #       <Zal91> Can someone apply the patch, and I will PROMISE to learn to do it myself
02.39.58 #       <webguest11> I don't have an arm toolchain
02.40.11 #       <midkay> Zal91, i actually don't think the patch will work.
02.40.14 #       <webguest11> Sounds like some bizarre piece of jewelry
02.40.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> From my understanding the current patch doesn't even work well
02.40.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It may be best to learn to use the compiling tools while waiting for the next version, as he even said it doesn't work how he expected.
02.40.39 #       <midkay> he says it's untested, and it looks exactly like something i tried recently.. the way keys are handled in rockboy prevents the patch from working.. iirc.
02.41.06 #       <Zal91> Would compiling be the same for a 5th Generation Ipod?
02.41.59 #       <Zal91> Quote "Ok, so I was able to get through the first level of donkey kong for the first time ever. The controls aren't working like I expected them to, but I'll be able to fix that.  I won't have any time to work on it until later tonight... Until then, if you just want to see some functionality in your rockboy, apply the patch. Happy rockboxing."
02.42.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Compiling's the same for any of them, it just matters which compilers you have. The iPod ones use the arm cross-compilers
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02.45.14 #       <Zal91> Nevermind I don't have enough time to learn now I will try again tomorrow
02.45.24 #       <XavierGr> ok see you...
02.47.34 #       <Zal91> Thanx guys
02.47.35 #       <Zal91> Bye
02.47.40 #       <jd|uni> any1 here feel like commiting a patch for a bug with "immeditate" priority? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4861
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02.49.08 #       <midkay> jd|uni, tested+working? :)
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02.49.42 #       <jd|uni> ye
02.49.56 #       <jd|uni> midkay: it just adds 1 more key definition
02.49.59 #       <midkay> looks very simple.. alright.
02.50.02 #       <jd|uni> .. for the screen
02.50.17 #       <midkay> reminds me that i want to change a different key mapping..
02.50.54 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wishes people wouldn't PM me asking for me to build Rockbox custom builds for them
02.51.08 #       <XavierGr> haha
02.51.13 #       <XavierGr> Zal did?
02.51.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nah
02.51.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Someone else
02.51.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> From the Doom thread I think
02.51.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "Padlocklipsxbang" 0 posts.
02.51.47 #       <midkay> haha.
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02.51.52 #       <midkay> that's annoying.
02.51.56 #       <webguest11> A class act
02.52.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I've received 2 requests from different people to make custom builds, and 2 PMs from other people saying "Thanks for helping all these people." (Both of those from people I've never helped.)
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02.52.29 #       <midkay> XavierGr, 1m34s for a 100% clean build.
02.52.31 #       <midkay> (vmware). :)
02.52.33 #       <midkay> delicious.
02.52.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And then various actual questions like "I've been trying to compile but keep getting X error" which are the ones I help with.
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02.53.20 #       <XavierGr> 04 01real    1m31.698s yippie!
02.53.23 #       <XavierGr> hahaha
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02.53.29 #       <XavierGr> 3 seconds late
02.53.33 #       <midkay> XavierGr, ... fu!!!!!!!! :)
02.53.39 #       <midkay> that's 100% clean?
02.53.43 #       <XavierGr> did you had anything more on that?
02.53.45 #       <XavierGr> yup
02.53.48 #       <midkay> ah, well.. i'm building for iPod video..
02.53.51 #       <XavierGr> fresh build from cvs
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02.53.55 #       <XavierGr> ah ues
02.53.56 #       <midkay> maybe bigger bitmaps -> few more seconds..
02.53.57 #       <sharpe> i'm back!
02.54.00 #       <XavierGr> that has a lot to do
02.54.01 #       <midkay> and more plugins perhaps
02.54.05 #       <XavierGr> then you are faster indeed
02.54.08 #       <midkay> what are you building for?
02.54.13 #       <midkay> i'd like to compare
02.54.16 #       <webguest11> Not to mention arm vs cf
02.54.21 #       <XavierGr> because the compiler skipped many entries
02.54.34 #       <webguest11> Or rather, arm vs m68k
02.54.40 #       <XavierGr> it would be nice to do compile for H100 just for the fun of it.
02.54.47 #       <XavierGr> h120
02.54.48 #       <midkay> XavierGr, is that what you're building for?
02.54.51 #       <midkay> alright, i'll do that.
02.54.56 #       <XavierGr> yes target 9
02.54.59 #       <XavierGr> normal build
02.55.24 #       <midkay> going
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02.56.02 #       * XavierGr cresses fingers again. (for a slow build so that he can nag about) :D
02.56.08 #       <XavierGr> ^crosses
02.56.11 #       <XavierGr> hehe
02.56.12 #       * midkay sets task priority to Realtime
02.56.13 #       <midkay> :)
02.56.20 #       <XavierGr> you got me
02.56.25 #       <midkay> kidding..
02.56.29 #       <midkay> wow.. almost done already.
02.56.36 #       <XavierGr> no shite!
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02.57.03 #       <midkay> 1m26.9s
02.57.13 #       <XavierGr> quite interesting
02.57.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: 1m29.8 here, with an extra two plugins.
02.57.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Neither of which are Doom
02.57.26 #       <midkay> i'd guess that there's kind of a limit on the speed..
02.57.38 #       <XavierGr> you got me but not much. I think that it could make it faster.
02.57.57 #       <webguest11> I don't think ipod or h320 is much harder to compile than h120 in any way
02.58.00 #       <midkay> there's got to be a point where the cpu speed becomes mostly pointless and you're just waiting for the emulator to do its thing..
02.58.13 #       <XavierGr> maybe...
02.58.28 #       <midkay> XavierGr, btw.. that's a new build dir, right? or make veryclean, your time?
02.58.44 #       <XavierGr> now it's time to try with coLinux...
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02.58.52 #       <XavierGr> new dir
02.59.02 #       <XavierGr> I tried with make veryclean but I lost the measurement
02.59.07 #       <XavierGr> and started with a new dir.
02.59.08 #       <midkay> ah..
02.59.11 #       <midkay> alright
02.59.13 #       <midkay> cool.
02.59.14 #       <midkay> either way.
02.59.20 #       <midkay> thanks for the motivation to go vmware. :)
02.59.20 #       <XavierGr> yeah nice findings
02.59.31 #       <midkay> *closes cygwin for good, i think*
02.59.33 #       <XavierGr> thanks webguest11 which he guided me
03.00.02 #       <midkay> i'd like to hear about coLinux, too.
03.00.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Yeah, I did that yesterday. :)
03.00.13 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, go vmware?
03.00.14 #       <XavierGr> I will leave cygwin there for emotional reasons for some days.
03.00.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Indeed
03.00.26 #       <midkay> yes, i think i will too.. better to have it than not i suppose.. :)
03.00.30 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, cool. :)
03.01.20 #       <webguest11> real    1m58.380s on native Linux.. interesting.. what kind of hardware do you have?
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03.01.40 #       <XavierGr> intel pentium 4 at 3.0 Ghz
03.01.48 #       <webguest11> ah, that'd explain it
03.01.54 #       <XavierGr> what you have?
03.02.11 #       <midkay> JdGordon, i committed it.
03.02.11 #       <webguest11> XP2600 at 2ghz
03.02.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest11: Laptop with an AMD Athlon64 3400+ at 2.2ghz (though several IMs came up during the build which may have affected it. =/)
03.02.51 #       <XavierGr> maybe some day I will do it from ubuntu
03.03.14 #       <webguest11> Paul_The_Nerd: what was your time?
03.03.18 #       <XavierGr> yeah?
03.04.13 #       <webguest11> Also, whoa.. I'd have thought an athlon64 3400 ran at more than 2.2ghz
03.04.22 #       <midkay> webguest11, and 1m27s for me on an athlon 64 3700+ at 2.42ghz
03.04.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest11: 1m29.8s for an H120 build
03.04.31 #       <midkay> (overclocked from 2.2)..
03.05.05 #       <XavierGr> you got me too paul
03.05.27 #       * Paul_The_Nerd should try it on his desktop at some point
03.05.41 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, what's your desktop?
03.06.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's a 3400+ as well, but a desktop chip instead of a mobile chip. I'm just curious if it'd perform differently
03.06.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, it has twice the ram, but since it's a VM set to 256mb, that shouldn't matter should it?
03.06.47 #       <midkay> yeah, probably..
03.06.51 #       <webguest11> Don't think so - I believe it doesn't page
03.07.00 #       <preglow> 1 get one minute for on arm compile on an athlon 64 3400+ here
03.07.04 #       <midkay> i wonder if VM would benefit from a larger RAM allottment.. (sp?)
03.07.11 #       <midkay> i mean for building rockbox..
03.07.15 #       <XavierGr> wow preglow!
03.07.22 #       <midkay> preglow, how the hell? :)
03.07.24 #       <XavierGr> you have a beast@
03.07.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I dunno. I know the *biggest* performance hitter on my laptop (for general use) is this stupid 5400 RPM HD.
03.07.27 #       <preglow> real    1m0.177s
03.07.47 #       <webguest11> preglow: well that's not on vmware though
03.07.53 #       <preglow> hell no :)
03.07.57 #       <webguest11> (neihter was mine)
03.07.58 #       <preglow> ubuntu 64 bit
03.08.01 #       <XavierGr> ah that explains it
03.08.03 #       <midkay> aha..
03.08.13 #       <midkay> ah, now that rockbox can be built on 64-bit systems..
03.08.15 #       <midkay> i'd like to try that.
03.08.19 #       <XavierGr> preglow: Cheater! :(
03.08.21 #       <preglow> it can, somewhat...
03.08.28 #       <preglow> i can only build the arm compiler
03.08.33 #       <midkay> preglow, ah..
03.08.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Was that a Nano build?
03.08.44 #       <preglow> the m68k and sh compilers wont compile in 64 bit mode
03.08.49 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: yea
03.09.02 #       <webguest11> Another round of applause for the gcc team
03.09.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm gonna try a clean nano build. I'm curious if Doom really adds 10 seconds
03.09.17 #       <preglow> webguest11: plus, gcc 4.1 wont build for arm either
03.09.26 #       <preglow> they're really doing a grand job in that area
03.09.36 #       <webguest11> preglow: you'd think they'd notice 64bit regressions by now
03.09.42 #       <preglow> webguest11: apparently not
03.09.52 #       <webguest11> I mean, I can understand that there are bugs now, but introducing new ones is just amazing
03.09.57 #       <webguest11> 64bit-bugs, that is
03.10.26 #       <webguest11> And then, only sortof understand.. it's not like the current batch are the first 64bit chips in the history of computing
03.10.53 #       <preglow> no, not exactly
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03.10.58 #       <preglow> but it might of course be amd64 specific
03.11.34 #       <preglow> think i might post a bug tomorrow
03.11.35 #       <preglow> hmm
03.11.45 #       <preglow> now if only i could understand this wav bug
03.12.19 #       <webguest11> True, it probably is amd64 specific, but still.. :-\
03.15.03 #       <preglow> seems a couple of bugs have already been posted
03.15.07 #       <preglow> nothing happens, as usual
03.15.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, an unpatched iPod Nano build for me is 1m22.0s
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03.16.00 #       <preglow> seems it's a general 64 bit problem...
03.16.14 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: specs?
03.16.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Still on my laptop
03.16.42 #       <preglow> not bad for a laptop
03.16.49 #       <webguest11> In vmware...
03.17.43 #       <webguest11> I think vmware is getting quite close to 100% processor performance in these cases (little IO, lots of computing)
03.18.18 #       <preglow> yeah, the gcc people have known of the bug for half a year now
03.18.42 #       <webguest11> Brilliant
03.19.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Man, iPod Nano is 8 seconds faster than H120. :(
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03.26.58 #       <XavierGr> night every body!
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03.33.49 #       <BHSPitLappy> solid state flash ftw
03.34.45 #       <midkay> BHSPitLappy, what?
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03.36.06 #       <webguest11> Anyone here involved with the vkeyboardproposal wikipage?
03.36.32 #       * Paul_The_Nerd is kinda a fan of the old vkeyboard, for his uses.
03.37.02 #       <webguest11> Likewise.. I imagine a lot of switching screens
03.37.11 #       <webguest11> But I see the appeal
03.38.29 #       <webguest11> Of a) having a unified keyboard that looks and works the same on all bitmap screens b) having a coordinated way of inputting multiple different charsets
03.39.00 #       <webguest11> The latter being most important
03.39.09 #       <webguest11> To the user, that is
03.39.28 #       <webguest11> I fear codesize issues on archos though
03.40.11 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, have you figured out accessing rockbox source when using vmware?
03.40.28 #       <webguest11> Accessing it how?
03.40.41 #       <midkay> from windows, e.g. notepad.
03.40.50 #       <midkay> does samba need to be started or something?
03.40.54 #       <webguest11> Start > run > \\debian
03.40.55 #       <midkay> i'm rather unfamiliar with it
03.41.02 #       <webguest11> Nope, it should Just Work
03.41.10 #       <midkay> oh. \\debian did it. thanks.
03.41.21 #       <midkay> i was looking at "\\ip\user"..
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03.41.32 #       <webguest11> That should work as well
03.41.45 #       <midkay> it's not for me..
03.41.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Yeah, the ip thing didn't work for me, because it just accessed my normal shares
03.42.06 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, right, that's what i'm getting.
03.42.11 #       <webguest11> You need to use the ip of the guest OS
03.42.21 #       <webguest11> run  /sbin/ifconfig
03.42.43 #       <midkay> ah,,
03.42.50 #       <midkay> well. \\debian is _much_ quicker anyways.
03.42.51 #       <midkay> :)
03.42.56 #       <webguest11> True that
03.43.47 #       <webguest11> Should be mentioned on the wiki page I uess
03.44.05 #       <midkay> definitely.
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03.48.18 #       <Kyomi> Woah... theres alot of people here ^^;
03.48.33 #       <sharpe> wheee
03.50.10 #       <sharpe> heheh, that was great timing...
03.50.22 #       <Kyomi> Anyone have a link to where all the games are on the rockbox site? I can't seem to find it :(
03.51.07 #       <Kyomi> Ew...
03.51.10 #       <Kyomi> What happend?
03.51.17 #       <sharpe> ?
03.51.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: The games are included with rockbox.
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03.51.42 #       <Kyomi> The rockbox thing is running.. but its... like only a lt blue background and very small text
03.51.53 #       <webguest11> That's Rockbox...
03.52.11 #       <sharpe> is it the first time?
03.52.14 #       <Kyomi> Yes
03.52.23 #       <sharpe> yeah, that's the default theme
03.52.46 #       <Kyomi> Its... ew
03.52.55 #       <Kyomi> Does the H3Mod stuff work with it?
03.53.05 #       <Kyomi> And how do I get to the menu of it?
03.53.15 #       <webguest11> Press a-b
03.53.18 #       <sharpe> what player do you have?
03.53.27 #       <webguest11> And no, you can't h3mod it, since it's not the iriver firmware...
03.53.39 #       <webguest11> h3x0, I'm guessing, by the combination of h3mod and colour
03.53.57 #       <sharpe> seems likely to me
03.54.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: From the menu you can change fonts. With a combination of font and custom background it can look much better
03.54.17 #       <Kyomi> h320
03.54.28 #       <Kyomi> umm
03.54.47 #       <Kyomi> All the menu says is repeat options and displaying what type of files
03.54.58 #       <webguest11> Don't hold a-b
03.54.59 #       <webguest11> just press it, shortly
03.54.59 #       <midkay> press a-b, not hold.
03.55.05 #       <sharpe> like, a tap
03.55.11 #       <midkay> like. press and release.
03.55.19 #       <sharpe> like, same definition
03.55.21 #       <midkay> you put your finger on it. and depress. and quickly release the pressure.
03.55.24 #       <webguest11> Like a.... press
03.55.34 #       <sharpe> like, a quick press
03.55.38 #       <midkay> like, you only need to depress it for an instant.
03.55.41 #       <sharpe> like, when you type, that kind of press
03.55.47 #       <webguest11> I think we've defined press, now.
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03.55.48 #       <midkay> like, half a second. or as quick as possible.
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03.55.59 #       <midkay> like, alright. :(
03.55.59 #       <sharpe> unless, your type rate is like, in seconds
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03.56.07 #       <sharpe> like, okay.
03.56.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Depress the a-b button for a period of no less than 1ms and no more than 999.
03.56.13 #       <Kyomi> lol
03.56.14 #       <midkay> haha.
03.56.17 #       <Kyomi> I got it now
03.56.17 #       <sharpe> that sounds logical
03.56.25 #       <Kyomi> But it still looks like ass :(
03.56.35 #       <sharpe> well, it's not our problem, is it? :)
03.56.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Rockbox is designed to be functional, not pretty.
03.56.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: But really, it can be a lot prettier than it could 6 months ago, and it'll get even better as new features are added
03.57.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You should try some of the themes that are available for download
03.57.20 #       <sharpe> damn you paul, i was going to say the theme thing.
03.57.20 #       <Kyomi> Download section?
03.57.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: They're mostly in the WpsGallery
03.57.53 #       <golf7> kyomi, would you rather look like shit and function good
03.57.58 #       <golf7> or look good and function like shit
03.58.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
03.58.07 #       <golf7> like a beemer with a pinto engine
03.58.11 #       <sharpe> oh the love.
03.58.15 #       <golf7> or a pinto with a beemer engine =P
03.58.37 #       <sharpe> yay analogies.
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03.59.15 #       <midkay> haaaaha. you said "anal". haahahahaaaa.
03.59.24 #       <midkay> anal-ogies. haahaha..
03.59.26 #       <sharpe> hahahahahhhhhhh...
03.59.30 #       <midkay> and the ogies looks like orgies.
03.59.37 #       <sharpe> hurrr
03.59.39 #       <midkay> hahahahahaaaaa... i kill myself.
03.59.57 #       <Kyomi> Im guessing it can't look as pretty as my main firmware did?
04.00.03 #       <sharpe> sure it can
04.00.33 #       <sharpe> you just have to find or make a theme, that looks exactly like it.
04.00.41 #       <sharpe> or, use another pretty one...
04.00.45 #       <midkay> sharpe, not without a lot of coding, no..
04.00.55 #       <sharpe> i like the theme i made...
04.01.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Being open source, technically it can look however you want it.
04.01.09 #       <sharpe> although, most people don't like the background...
04.01.13 #       <sharpe> because...
04.01.15 #       <sharpe> it's...
04.01.17 #       <midkay> Kyomi, if looking like the stock firmware is what you want, why are you using rockbox? :)
04.01.17 #       <sharpe> a heart.
04.01.30 #       <BHSPitLappy> where's rockbox going as far as fonts are concerned?
04.01.36 #       <sharpe> hmm
04.01.42 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
04.01.48 #       <sharpe> it's going like there is a tomorrow.
04.01.51 #       <sharpe> taking it's time.
04.01.53 #       <Kyomi> This still works with fm transmitter and all right?
04.01.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BHSPitLappy: What exactly are you asking?
04.02.37 #       <BHSPitLappy> Paul_The_Nerd: last I heard (long ago) people wanted to move to an improved rb13 format or something
04.02.51 #       <Kyomi> It's SOOO much eaiser to just like... slap some themes on there then be able to browse them
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04.03.00 #       <sharpe> there are some default ones...
04.03.08 #       <BHSPitLappy> AA would be nice as far as fonts are concerned
04.03.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BHSPitLappy: rb13? Huh?
04.03.19 #       <BHSPitLappy> the current standard's rb12
04.03.20 #       <sharpe> ah! antialiasing!
04.03.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BHSPitLappy: AA is pretty damn unlikely with the current bitmapped fonts
04.03.42 #       <midkay> BHSPitLappy, AA isn't really possible unless it's "faked", and that wouldn't work with backdrops..
04.03.54 #       * BHSPitLappy a little confused
04.03.55 #       <midkay> you'd need true transparency = slooowww...
04.04.42 #       <Kyomi> Haha
04.04.55 #       <Kyomi> Rockbox Info shows you about how much time is left in the battery?
04.05.01 #       <Kyomi> That is just plain awesome
04.05.03 #       <midkay> Kyomi, yes, that's hilarious..
04.05.13 #       <Kyomi> What the heck.....
04.05.14 #       <sharpe> yes, it's a real 'knee-slapper'
04.05.14 #       <BHSPitLappy> s/That/Rockbox/
04.05.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It'd be more awesome if you could trust it. ;-)
04.05.20 #       <midkay> sharpe, haha.
04.05.21 #       <Kyomi> Im confused
04.05.31 #       <Kyomi> When I had original firmware on 
04.05.46 #       <Kyomi> It said I had 52MB free space... now it says 1.10GB
04.05.52 #       <sharpe> heheh...
04.05.56 #       * Kyomi confused
04.05.57 #       <BHSPitLappy> wait until you've got the whole sentence typed before hitting ENTER ;)
04.06.05 #       <sharpe> i don't do that sometimes
04.06.16 #       <BHSPitLappy> so
04.06.17 #       <BHSPitLappy> one time
04.06.19 #       <BHSPitLappy> I was on a boat
04.06.23 #       <sharpe> and?
04.06.24 #       <BHSPitLappy> and there was this guy in the back of the boat
04.06.28 #       <sharpe> and?!
04.06.29 #       <Kyomi> <3 playlist creation
04.06.31 #       <BHSPitLappy> and he was like "come to the back of the boat!"
04.06.36 #       <sharpe> and mother fucker?!!?
04.06.41 #       <BHSPitLappy> lol
04.06.50 #       <sharpe> profanity always makes everything funny.
04.06.55 #       <sharpe> especially 'bitch'
04.07.02 #       <midkay> haaahahahahahaha.
04.07.03 #       <BHSPitLappy> that's just plain not fucking true.
04.07.07 #       <BHSPitLappy> ...bitch.
04.07.11 #       <midkay> hohohoho.
04.07.20 #       <Kyomi> Im still confused about the space issue
04.07.22 #       <sharpe> yeah, but it fits when talking to people, you can always call them 'bitch'
04.07.34 #       <BHSPitLappy> Kyomi: why don't you hook up to your computer and see for yourself
04.07.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Well, see how much space windows says is free on it.
04.07.56 #       <sharpe> it's funny, everyone thinks exactly the same...
04.08.08 #       <BHSPitLappy> Paul_The_Nerd: if Windows told you to jump off a cliff, would you do it?
04.08.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BHSPitLappy: I'd have to check the license agreement.
04.08.39 #       <sharpe> oooo...
04.08.40 #       <BHSPitLappy> :)
04.08.45 #       <sharpe> and the EULA
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04.08.55 #       <midkay> EULA == end user license agreement..
04.08.56 #       <midkay> :)
04.08.57 #       <sharpe> i know, same thing.
04.09.00 #       <midkay> fu luser.
04.09.01 #       <BHSPitLappy> EULicenceAgreement
04.09.02 #       <midkay> FU.
04.09.06 #       <sharpe> bitch.
04.09.07 #       <Kyomi> Found an error :(
04.09.08 #       <BHSPitLappy> err
04.09.11 #       <webguest11> Profanity is the crutch of the inarticulate motherfucke
04.09.12 #       <midkay> *censored*
04.09.13 #       <sharpe> what be that?
04.09.13 #       <BHSPitLappy> s/icence/icense/
04.09.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Error?
04.09.22 #       <Kyomi> The JoltSteel skin is a broken link :(
04.09.27 #       <sharpe> ho dog!
04.09.28 #       <sharpe> ag
04.09.29 #       <sharpe> ah
04.09.32 #       <sharpe> dyslexia!
04.09.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oh man, did he link externally rather than just upload to the wiki?
04.09.50 #       <BHSPitLappy> yes. yes he did.
04.09.56 #       <sharpe> oh. that bitch.
04.09.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Just put a note next to it then. Or remove the link for now.
04.09.59 #       <BHSPitLappy> Kyomi: don't worry, it probably just sucks.
04.10.04 #       <Kyomi> But its awesome
04.10.13 #       <Kyomi> It shows the next song and everything
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04.10.22 #       <midkay> Kyomi, haha. as if that isn't standard..
04.10.27 #       <midkay> or very hard to do..
04.10.28 #       <midkay> :)
04.10.28 #       <sharpe> heheh, who wants to see my bland theme i made.. month or so ago...
04.10.36 #       <midkay> sharpe, wikify it!
04.10.43 #       <sharpe> hold on...
04.11.04 #       <BHSPitLappy> what's with people wanting their player to look like vista
04.11.05 #       <BHSPitLappy> http://www.misticriver.net/photos/displayimage.php?album=lastup&cat=0&pos=4
04.11.18 #       <sharpe> http://www.mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockheart.png :)
04.11.20 #       <midkay> wow, quite nice..
04.11.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BHSPitLappy: What's with people wanting their player to look like Winamp?
04.11.36 #       <midkay> sharpe, it's not up!!
04.11.38 #       <sharpe> the more curves, the more requested.
04.11.44 #       * BHSPitLappy 's player looks like an rockbox.
04.11.46 #       <sharpe> ...
04.11.50 #       <BHSPitLappy> lol
04.11.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: Drop the www.
04.12.09 #       <midkay> aha. that loser, sharpe..
04.12.13 #       <Kyomi> booooo
04.12.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I took the rockbox_default theme, stripped the peakmeter, and added a filler image for the bottom half of the screen, and that's that
04.12.23 #       <midkay> sharpe, that's so fugly.
04.12.25 #       <Kyomi> I dun wanna use my real name.. thats just...creepy ^^;
04.12.34 #       <BHSPitLappy> Kyomi: honest, you mean?
04.12.39 #       <BHSPitLappy> creeps are secretive.
04.12.54 #       <BHSPitLappy> now tell me where you live, boy
04.12.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
04.13.19 #       <Kyomi> Nah.. I just never give out my name online.. 
04.13.26 #       <BHSPitLappy> how old is you?
04.13.29 #       <sharpe> yeh, sorry about that.
04.13.30 #       <Kyomi> And especially things like that
04.13.36 #       <sharpe> ew ew ew ew!
04.13.38 #       <Kyomi> 21 :(
04.13.42 #       <BHSPitLappy> sharpe: you and your queer hearts
04.13.43 #       <Kyomi> Im too old T.T
04.13.47 #       <BHSPitLappy> Kyomi: haha are you serious
04.13.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
04.13.55 #       <Kyomi> Alright
04.13.57 #       <sharpe> god damn. that's what everyone else says, damnit.
04.13.59 #       <Kyomi> I am now confused
04.14.07 #       <BHSPitLappy> boo hoo, I can legally drink, but I'm afraid of internet predators
04.14.18 #       <midkay> haha.
04.14.19 #       <sharpe> lol
04.14.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Man, people who are 21 saying they're too old make me feel even MORE ancient
04.14.22 #       <Kyomi> Rockbox: 1.10GB free || iRiver firmware: 32MB free
04.14.39 #       <midkay> || windows: ????????!?!?!?!!??!!?!!!
04.14.41 #       <sharpe> maybe your iriver thinks you don't need the extra space?
04.14.50 #       <Kyomi> checking windows
04.14.59 #       <midkay> Kyomi, you told us about that "error" like 10 minutes ago.. why are you just now "confused"? :)
04.15.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, in a vaguely related note, I got carded at Walmart when attempting to purchase a computer game
04.15.08 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, hahaha.
04.15.09 #       <BHSPitLappy> Paul_The_Nerd: ... who let you out of your bed?
04.15.18 #       <BHSPitLappy> you know you're not supposed to be out without taking your pills.
04.15.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I realized that my 3.5" floppy version of Doom was unusable on my laptop (since it lacks a floppy drive)
04.15.21 #       <sharpe> what was the rating? :)
04.15.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So I bought Doom 1. A 13 year old game
04.15.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Rated M
04.15.32 #       <Kyomi> Windows says 29.7MB now >_<
04.15.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And they carded me
04.15.36 #       <sharpe> it's rated m?
04.15.39 #       <sharpe> ... :(
04.15.41 #       <midkay> haha.
04.15.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yup
04.15.51 #       <BHSPitLappy> like gone with the wind is rated R :P
04.15.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> In 4 years the game will be old enough to buy itself
04.15.54 #       <sharpe> wow...
04.15.58 #       <BHSPitLappy> lol
04.15.59 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, was it an old bag? carding isn't unexpected from them..
04.16.00 #       <Kyomi> Alright
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04.16.07 #       <sharpe> in four years, it will be just... a give away...
04.16.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: The girl was younger than me.
04.16.16 #       <Kyomi> Apparently my H320 can't decide how much free space it has....
04.16.25 #       <sharpe> are you visibly older paul? :P
04.16.26 #       <midkay> you should have just said "card yourself, witch" and walked out.. stand up for your rights or whatever.
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04.16.32 #       <Kyomi> Rockbox: 1.10GB free || iRiver firmware: 32MB free || Windows: 29.7MB
04.16.35 #       <midkay> Kyomi, i'd guess windows is about right.
04.16.46 #       <midkay> because it CORRESPONDS with the iriver value!
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04.16.50 #       <Kyomi> Why does RB say I have 1.10GB then? o.O
04.16.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Well you probably have 32mb of free space in reality, because there's a recycle bin of .9gb or so
04.17.10 #       <webguest11> Kyomi: Try recalculating.. Boot Rockbox, menu > info > Debug (keep out!) > Disk info
04.17.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sharpe: I'm usually told I look like I'm in my high 20s or low 30s. When I was too young to drink, people were always astonished when I told them, and I haven't been carded for an R movie since I was 15
04.17.44 #       <webguest11> Kyomi: Now press up until you see "Disk info: Free xxxx MB" and press navi
04.18.15 #       <webguest11> After that, the amount of free space should be correct in Rockbox
04.18.51 #       <Kyomi> Hold up
04.18.55 #       <Kyomi> Gotta get RB back
04.18.56 #       <sharpe> i have 16444mb free...
04.19.00 #       <sharpe> yay me
04.19.02 #       <sharpe> wait
04.19.03 #       <sharpe> no
04.19.04 #       <sharpe> no yay
04.19.08 #       <Kyomi> Booted iR for usn connection
04.19.18 #       <sharpe> where the hell did the other 10000 go!?
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04.20.21 #       <sharpe> :(
04.20.55 #       <Kyomi> How can I get rid of that .9 recycle bin?
04.21.05 #       <Kyomi> And how long does this take
04.21.08 #       <Kyomi> Yeah
04.21.10 #       <Kyomi> 29mb :(
04.21.17 #       <Kyomi> GAHHHH
04.21.21 #       <Kyomi> This is so annoying
04.21.32 #       <webguest11> empty it?
04.21.37 #       <Kyomi> Please tell me theres a way to turn the backlight back on WITHOUT it doing any commands
04.21.44 #       <Kyomi> I can't see it in windows
04.21.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Man, that's so weird that people want to have it ignore button presses
04.22.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, I think record doesn't do anything in most screens
04.22.06 #       <webguest11> It'll be blended into your regular Recycle Bin
04.22.09 #       <Kyomi> I'm used to hitting a button to turn it on, then another one to do something
04.22.20 #       <Kyomi> Not the same thing
04.22.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It seems like a bloody waste of time to me, having to hit a button twice just to do one thing.
04.22.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, if you reach in your pocket to pause, do you have to hit pause twice?
04.23.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or is it only *some* buttons that require a second press?
04.23.08 #       <Kyomi> Yeah
04.23.17 #       <Kyomi> You have it hit a button to turn the light on
04.23.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That is perhaps one of the most counterintuitive things ever.
04.23.21 #       <Kyomi> Then hit it again to do it
04.23.41 #       <Kyomi> Yeah.. maybe.. but it's EXTREMELY annoying in while your in a menu
04.24.00 #       <midkay> why not just adjust vol up or down one?
04.24.11 #       <midkay> .. doesn't really make a difference, and it turns the light on.
04.24.22 #       <webguest11> or go up or down a bit in the menu you're in...
04.24.25 #       <webguest11> o_O
04.24.30 #       <midkay> yes, that..
04.24.33 #       <webguest11> Can't hurt, can it?
04.24.35 #       <Kyomi> Woah... cool
04.24.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Anyway, you can also delete the recycle bin by telling rockbox to show all files, then just deleting it from there
04.24.38 #       <Kyomi> picture zoom :)
04.24.56 #       <Kyomi> How do you get to like a.. a secondary menu
04.25.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A secondary menu?
04.25.22 #       <Kyomi> Yeha
04.25.28 #       <Kyomi> Like if you wanna do something with the picture
04.25.36 #       <Kyomi> or how you get to the menu to delete stuff
04.25.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's a picture viewer...
04.25.45 #       <midkay> not a picture editor.
04.25.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Click and hold navi on a file to get other options of things to do with it
04.26.08 #       <Kyomi> k ty
04.26.11 #       <Kyomi> bbl :D
04.26.16 #       <Kyomi> awesome help ^^
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04.27.22 #       <sharpe> it never fails...
04.27.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "It doesn't look pretty"
04.27.34 #       <BHSPitLappy> of course it does
04.27.47 #       <webguest11> "Rockbox sucks!" [10 minutes passes] "Cool!"
04.27.50 #       <sharpe> while making a playlist on rockbox, i always accidentally forget to touch the wheel before releasing the select button.
04.28.22 #       <midkay> sharpe, what?
04.28.40 #       <sharpe> heh, i never succeed in making a playlist in rockbox :)
04.28.56 #       <midkay> .. :)
04.30.26 #       <BHSPitLappy> has the status of id3 brower/indexing changed?
04.30.34 #       <BHSPitLappy> browser, even
04.32.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not really
04.32.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Have you seen mention of it changing in the changelog?
04.35.09 #       <BHSPitLappy> I s'pose not
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04.38.00 #       <sharpe> gah!
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04.40.06 #       <sharpe> oh well, g'night everyone.
04.40.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 'night
04.41.02 #       <midkay> night sharpe
04.41.43 #       <midkay> wow. archos recorder build went quick!
04.42.01 #       <midkay> can't say the exact time.. but <1m almost for sure..
04.42.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
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04.47.58 #       <omp> has anyone ever had the rockbox interface freeze? (ipod nano)
04.48.03 #       <BHSPitLappy> nope
04.48.22 #       <omp> 'cause it happened to me twice :o
04.48.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Doing what?
04.48.37 #       <BHSPitLappy> that hold switch can be fickle
04.49.17 #       <omp> dunno it just froze while i used it, but restarting it fixed it
04.49.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> omp: Well, it's hard to figure out what's wrong without you at least knowing what you did right before it froze
04.50.34 #       <omp> i was just listening to music and browsing through songs :p
04.50.46 #       <omp> oh well
04.52.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, could you try to cause it to happen again, and pay attention to what happens to cause it?
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04.59.57 #       <midkay> how do i set the time/date on vmware? Paul_The_Nerd?
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05.01.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: There's a few ways
05.02.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: but really, su, then use hwclock
05.02.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> midkay: You're probably going to have to correct it every time you boot the VM anyway, I think. I haven't figure out a good method yet
05.03.09 #       <midkay> ah.
05.03.12 #       <midkay> never mind then.
05.03.17 #       <midkay> thanks though.
05.04.33 #       <midkay> what the hell is going on..
05.04.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What's it doing?
05.05.11 #       <midkay> now, it's arm-elf-gcc: command not found.. worked earlier.
05.05.28 #       <midkay> and, sh-elf-gcc is messed up.. it's not in the path by default, and when added, it.. compiles, but doesn
05.05.37 #       <midkay> doesn't generate a working image, or something..
05.05.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Weeeeird
05.05.51 #       <midkay> i did do a "Reset" - bad?
05.06.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I've done a reset without problems.
05.06.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I haven't tried sh-elf-gcc at all
05.06.20 #       <midkay> i also edited the .bashrc to add a few aliases and to add sh-elf-gcc to the path by default..
05.06.28 #       <midkay> didn't change anything else, though.
05.08.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hm
05.08.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sh-elf-gcc is in my default path
05.08.24 #       <midkay> hmmmmm.
05.08.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But I have the original VMWare image, not the new one. Maybe that one had it messed up?
05.09.06 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, where does it point to?
05.09.16 #       <midkay> /home/user/sh/bin?
05.10.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> How do I check?
05.11.09 #       <midkay> echo $PATH
05.11.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
05.11.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> didn't type it all caps
05.11.30 #       <midkay> ah. :)
05.11.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Indeed /home/user/sh/bin
05.11.33 #       <midkay> hmm.
05.11.45 #       <midkay> i want to throw my PC out the window right now..
05.11.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Heh
05.12.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's probably just something not done right with the newer version of the vmware image
05.12.37 #       <midkay> i'm just so goddamn tired and don't want to deal with this right now.. sigh..
05.12.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Heh
05.12.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm about to take the path of sleeeeeeep
05.13.02 #       <midkay> 8pm and i could crash within a minute..
05.13.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think I'm heading out.
05.13.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> G'night folks
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05.23.39 #       <midkay> hm. i think we have a major problem..
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05.25.21 #       <midkay> yes. we do.
05.26.14 #       <midkay> archos recorder builds (maybe more) as of now, when started, show a completely black LCD..
05.26.24 #       <midkay> not sure when this started, but within a couple days..
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07.18.39 #       <amiconn> morning
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07.19.25 #       <BHSPitLappy> evening
07.21.12 #       <amiconn> hehe
07.21.27 #       <amiconn> 7:20 am here
07.25.35 #       <BHSPitLappy> 12:25am
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07.26.59 #       <midkay> amiconn, did you read what i wrote, btw?.. latest recorder builds == filled black screen and no button input, or so..
07.27.05 #       <midkay> can you confirm?
07.28.16 #       <Mikachu> the manual frontpage says
07.28.17 #       <amiconn> I didn't update my recorder since a week. Will check
07.28.19 #       <Mikachu> Rockbox - users manual
07.28.21 #       <Mikachu> for
07.28.24 #       <Mikachu> AppleiPod Nano
07.28.36 #       <Mikachu> ie, no space
07.28.53 #       <midkay> amiconn, thanks - it was working fine for me with a build from a few days ago, all of a sudden anything i compile today or download from the site (cvs build).. = black screen.
07.29.36 #       <amiconn> Perhaps ypur contrast setting is way off
07.29.41 #       <amiconn> *your
07.29.53 #       <midkay> amiconn, i don't really.. see how it could be... it's possible though..
07.30.08 #       <midkay> do you know the combo by any chance?
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07.31.21 #       <amiconn> F1 down down right down down right down down right down down down right
07.31.28 #       <amiconn> Then reduce contrast with down
07.31.44 #       <Mikachu> then you get infinite lives
07.32.16 #       <midkay> haha. that did it - insane.. everything was/is messed up.. how the hell..
07.32.41 #       <midkay> thanks, amiconn
07.33.29 #       <Bg3r> morning :)
07.34.37 #       <Bg3r> amiconn perhaps we should add a "reset settings" button ...
07.34.42 #       <Bg3r> for archos tooo
07.34.44 #       <Bg3r> -o
07.35.10 #       <amiconn> I rather think we should make the config transition better sooner than later
07.35.20 #       <midkay> config transition?
07.35.24 #       <Bg3r> yeah, that's the other option
07.35.25 #       <amiconn> (although probably post-3.0)
07.35.31 #       <Bg3r> midkay config file
07.35.47 #       <Bg3r> *only* config file, without config sector
07.35.56 #       <midkay> ah..
07.35.59 #       <Bg3r> amiconn did you try my button.h cleaning btw ?
07.36.08 #       <amiconn> Yes, and only storing a small part of config data binary
07.36.16 #       <amiconn> no
07.36.31 #       * amiconn was too tired
07.36.36 #       <Bg3r> ah :( okay
07.36.54 #       <Bg3r> btw, maybe i should sort plugin.h and bump the min plugin ver too ...
07.37.25 #       <amiconn> why?
07.37.38 #       <amiconn> Did you do sth incompatible?
07.37.54 #       <Bg3r> any binary plugins won't work correctly using the old button defines ...
07.38.01 #       <amiconn> ah ok
07.38.42 #       <amiconn> Well, just 2 functions to sort
07.38.48 #       <amiconn> in
07.39.01 #       <Bg3r> which ones ?
07.39.20 #       <amiconn> Everything that's below /* new stuf at the end .... */
07.39.47 #       <amiconn> button_hold() already has its proper place, so just some ifdef shuffling
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07.40.05 #       <Bg3r> yep
07.40.11 #       <Bg3r> i'll look into this
07.40.34 #       <Chile`> how's ogg sound quality on the ipod through rockbox?
07.40.45 #       <amiconn> set_option belongs to the */menu */ section I'd say
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07.47.43 #       <Bg3r> linuxstb ?
07.48.24 #       <Bg3r> does anyone here know whether ipod 3g has hold button ? 
07.48.35 #       <midkay> it does.
07.48.45 #       <Bg3r> k
07.48.45 #       <midkay> not a button, a switch, to be precise..
07.48.50 #       <midkay> :)
07.48.56 #       <Bg3r> okay, it's a key :)
07.51.05 #       <JdGordon> hey all
07.51.10 #       <JdGordon> damn i hate uni :'(
07.52.21 #       <midkay> yo JdGordon
07.52.21 #       <midkay> hm, for the pitch screen located in screens.c - where should key definitions for it go?
07.52.21 #       <midkay> screens.h?
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07.52.55 #       <Bg3r> oh, more button loops ... :)
07.53.14 #       <Bg3r> midkay if there are already keydefines there, then that's the place
07.53.23 #       <midkay> Bg3r, there aren't..
07.53.27 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: ?
07.53.34 #       <midkay> seems to be normal to put them in the corresponding .h file though..
07.53.39 #       <midkay> i'd just like to confirm :)
07.54.43 #       <amiconn> midkay: I think you can use screens.h for now.
07.54.57 #       <midkay> amiconn, alright. ty.
07.55.18 #       <amiconn> However, see the devcon notes on what is planned to do about core button actions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevconNotes
07.56.07 #       <midkay> amiconn, i read those but i didn't see anything very specific about buttons. i did read that unification/global button mappings is planned, but not where/how.. so i guess until then we stick with ifdefs.. :)
07.57.07 #       <JdGordon> re: radio/recorder wps.. is it wanted for 3.0?
07.58.33 #       <amiconn> 3.1, as it requires quite some work to make the wps code more generic
07.58.54 #       <Bg3r> amiconn it seems that show_logo and tree_get_context aren't in the right place too ... (blame me for the last)
07.59.37 #       <JdGordon> amiconn: wel.. iv got a patch to add radio wps, it works fine.. if its wanted for 3...
08.11.00 #       <amiconn> Party mode increased code size quite a bit :(
08.12.38 #       <Bg3r> amiconn where should these func go ?
08.13.58 #       <amiconn> They already are placed under /* misc */
08.14.17 #       <amiconn> Imho that's the right place as long as there is only one of their kind
08.15.00 #       <Bg3r> ah, okay :)
08.17.37 #       <Bg3r> amiconn i moved the BUTTON_REPEAT to bit 26 (BUTTON_REL is bit 25), so now the free bits are 21-24 (i could free bit 20 too, but i left one bit free between the remote and main buttons on Hxx0
08.17.38 #       <Bg3r> )
08.20.29 #       <midkay> why are there seperate H120/140 and iHP-110/115/120 builds? different hardware?
08.20.44 #       <Bg3r> midkay yes
08.20.49 #       <midkay> how different?
08.20.57 #       <Bg3r> H1x5 is with 16MB ram instead of 32
08.21.07 #       <midkay> aha.
08.21.08 #       <midkay> thanks.
08.21.36 #       <Bg3r> and iirc the s/pdif is commanded in a reverse way
08.21.50 #       <midkay> no biggie - just wanted to know of anything major :)
08.23.31 #       <Bg3r> amiconn in fact how do u see this action stuff ?
08.23.43 #       <midkay> does ondio have pitch adjustment capability? same MAS as recorders, right?
08.24.03 #       <Bg3r> one button has one func in the wps, other in the navigation (menu/tree) ...
08.24.17 #       <midkay> Bg3r, i mean capability, not access to the screen.
08.24.26 #       <midkay> it can if the screen were available?
08.24.56 #       <Bg3r> midkay that was for amiconn ... i don't know anything about ondio :)
08.25.03 #       <midkay> oh, my bad. :)
08.25.12 #       <midkay> amiconn has one and knows about them i think..
08.25.28 #       <Bg3r> midkay in fact he has ported rb to ondios ..
08.25.36 #       <Bg3r> he and [IDC]Dragon iirc
08.25.41 #       <midkay> yeah..
08.26.03 #       <JdGordon> does any1 know how to get vnc to show my desktop instead of just a grey screen when i connbect?
08.30.47 #       <LinusN> you don't like grey? :-)
08.31.01 #       <JdGordon> well... i prefer seeing fluxbox...
08.31.10 #       <Bg3r> LinusN any comments on my button.h changes ?
08.31.29 #       <Bg3r> morning btw:)
08.31.40 #       <LinusN> i haven't checked the actual patch, but i think it looks ok
08.31.44 #       <midkay> aargh..
08.31.54 #       <LinusN> i just wondered...why?
08.32.05 #       <Bg3r> was that for me ?
08.32.17 #       <Bg3r> the question :)
08.32.18 #       <LinusN> is there an actual problem with the buttons, or is it just a general cleanup?
08.32.28 #       <Bg3r> just a cleanup
08.32.31 #       <LinusN> ok
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08.32.48 #       <LinusN> i like the BUTTON_REMOTE mask
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08.32.55 #       <Bg3r> and maybe a prepare for the action stuff ...
08.33.09 #       <Bg3r> in fact this was amiconn's idea
08.34.35 #       <nudel> I don't get why people want .cue file support. It adds a lot of complication to the code for *zero* benefit.
08.34.46 #       <amiconn> midkay: The Ondio has pitch adjust capability. The Ondio FM has the same MAS as the recorders, and the Ondio SP has a similar MAS which lacks mp3 encoding and has different config memory addresses, but is otherwise identical
08.34.57 #       <amiconn> The problem is the number of buttons...
08.35.20 #       <midkay> amiconn, i'm putting pitch screen in the menu for all targets, so buttons aren't a problem.
08.35.45 #       <midkay> well, right now i'm about to commit my update to the screen and the addition of button definitions - tomorrow, probably, i'll have it in the menus..
08.35.53 #       <amiconn> Yay, that was something I was planning to do... one day...
08.36.32 #       <midkay> blast, can you seriously not commit anything from a dir checked out by anonymous?
08.36.36 #       <midkay> no commands i can run? tried update..
08.36.44 #       <midkay> i don't wanna have to recheck out. :(
08.37.18 #       <amiconn> Make a cvs diff, check out a fresh directory non-anonymous, and apply your diff
08.37.36 #       <midkay> is that all?
08.37.44 #       <midkay> (i mean as far as ways to get around it)
08.37.58 #       <amiconn> You can't commit from an anonymous checkout
08.38.12 #       <midkay> alright. *sighs* :)
08.38.41 #       <midkay> amiconn, how does cvs diff work?
08.38.48 #       <Bg3r> Bagder any decisions about git/svn ?
08.39.02 #       <Slasheri> midkay: cvs diff >your.patch
08.39.10 #       <Bg3r> midkay cvs diff -u > patch
08.39.19 #       <Slasheri> then checkout, and cat your.patch | patch -p0
08.39.21 #       <Bg3r>  cvs diff -u rockbox-devel > patch
08.39.25 #       <JdGordon> can i add a title bar to the onscreen keyboard?
08.40.01 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon if it still fits on the smallest screens, why not ...
08.40.12 #       <amiconn> Wasting space?
08.40.22 #       <JdGordon> how about ignore it on the tiny screens?
08.40.43 #       <midkay> haha.
08.42.42 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon maybe ifdef based on screen height 
08.44.24 #       <Bg3r> imho the vkeyboard needs rework...
08.44.51 #       <midkay> what do you mean, a "title"? "Keyboard"? why? :)
08.45.47 #       <Bg3r> midkay maybe more like "Enter filename"/"Enter note" ...
08.45.55 #       <amiconn> LinusN: What do you think about my idea to always boost during disk access?
08.45.59 #       <midkay> hmm..
08.46.10 #       <midkay> up to you ..
08.46.17 #       <amiconn> Would give a nice speedup and should in fact save battery...
08.46.57 #       <amiconn> Speedup is roughly a factor of 2.5
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08.47.23 #       <amiconn> The boost / unboost could be handled in an intelligent way in the ata thread
08.47.57 #       <LinusN> amiconn: good idea
08.47.58 #       <Bg3r> 2.5??
08.48.53 #       <amiconn> yes
08.49.28 #       <Bg3r> then why u ask ?:)
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08.50.02 #       <amiconn> preglow_, linuxstb, other iPod devs: Could you check whether ata transfer speed differs between boosted/unboosted ?
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09.05.28 #       <amiconn> midkay: I'd say the pitch screen should go into the wps context menu for targets where it can't be called by a button from wps
09.06.18 #       <midkay> amiconn, well, sound settings is first on the context menu - don't you think it would be best and most universal to just put it in sound settings? makes 100% sense there and it's rather easily accessible..
09.06.57 #       <amiconn> Hmm....
09.07.04 #       <amiconn> Btw, you changed behaviour in wps
09.07.26 #       <amiconn> Now the pitch screen would pop up just when holding ON
09.07.27 #       <midkay> if it goes directly in the context menu.. (yes, i know that - i didn't think it'd be a big deal, simplifies the code considerably)..
09.07.52 #       <midkay> it's actually almost easier this way - trying to hold on when you're adjusting the pitch is a bit uncomfortable imo..
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09.13.48 #       <midkay> what the devil is up with the build system?
09.13.56 #       <midkay> *waiting for confirmation so i can go to bed*...
09.14.04 #       <midkay> 6+ minutes late already..
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09.14.34 #       <JdGordon> prob waiting for my comp
09.14.44 #       <JdGordon> its running like a dog atm for some reason
09.15.06 #       <midkay> JdGordon, haha. blast you..
09.15.10 #       <JdGordon> haha
09.15.25 #       <midkay> pause the porn viewing please.. i need to gooooo... :)
09.17.08 #       <JdGordon> just finished.. i tinhk
09.17.25 #       <Bg3r> with pr0n ? :D
09.17.34 #       <JdGordon> no, the build
09.17.45 #       <midkay> sigh..
09.17.49 #       <midkay> maybe ONE build finished,, out of like.. 5? :)
09.18.12 #       <JdGordon> na, i  only get 1 or 2.. and rbclient has logged out.. so it should be done
09.18.23 #       <LinusN> i'm not sure pitch should be in the sound settings
09.18.32 #       <midkay> LinusN, why not?
09.18.44 #       <LinusN> first, i think it's a playback setting
09.19.10 #       <LinusN> secondly, it is a volatile setting, not stored on disk
09.19.25 #       <midkay> LinusN, well, we could store it on disk.. i think we even got a feature request for that.
09.19.30 #       <midkay> i'm not sure about it though..
09.19.48 #       <LinusN> i wouldn't want it that way, but otoh i never use it :-)
09.19.59 #       <midkay> nor i - does _anyone_? yeesh... :)
09.20.18 #       <LinusN> musicians and audio book listeners, i believe
09.20.30 #       <midkay> timestretching would be nice - possible on the swcodecs, no?
09.20.37 #       <LinusN> should be possible
09.20.49 #       <midkay> even the apple's standard ipod firmware allowed it, for audiobooks.. afaik.
09.20.56 #       <LinusN> albeit cpu intensive if we want decent quality
09.21.07 #       <midkay> speeding up/slowing down audiobooks. i remember reading that it was timestretching..
09.21.22 #       <LinusN> midkay: red ondio builds
09.21.23 #       <midkay> whew, a measly 3 errors on a couple targets. good..
09.21.25 #       <midkay> :)
09.21.37 #       <midkay> oh. oops..
09.21.44 #       <midkay> how did i manage to screw that up.. :)
09.22.34 #       <midkay> wait, what happened?
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09.22.47 #       <amiconn> midkay: Ondio has no BUTTON_ON
09.22.48 #       <midkay> i haven't defined ondios to use button_on..
09.23.12 #       <JdGordon> hahah jdgordon.homeip.net 1 1067 1067 ( 1067) TERRIBLE!
09.23.21 #       <midkay> according to my source, button_on isn't in the ondio definitions.. let me double check..
09.23.25 #       <midkay> haha.
09.23.42 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: boooooh
09.23.50 #       <midkay> oh, my bad. haha.
09.24.00 #       <midkay> i defined ondio_pad layout above.. and redefined it below.
09.24.33 #       <amiconn> JdGordon: Is your build machine a '286, or what? ;)
09.24.51 #       <JdGordon> may as well be its running so slow atm.. 
09.25.09 #       <JdGordon> midkay: dont commit anything for a sec
09.25.16 #       <midkay> JdGordon, crap, just did..
09.25.26 #       <JdGordon> ok, no prob
09.25.32 #       <JdGordon> might have restarted fast enough
09.25.36 #       <midkay> sry.. hopefully :)
09.25.40 #       <Bg3r> ah
09.25.48 #       <Bg3r> this is near 20 minutes ...
09.27.04 #       <JdGordon> .. didnt... next buiold will be wuick
09.27.15 #       <amiconn> Wow. It seems my machine is actually one of the fastest. 6 or 7 seconds for (bootloader) builds...
09.27.19 #       <JdGordon> i tihnk its pointless havving my comp in the build system.. damn POS
09.27.33 #       <B4gder> haha
09.27.47 #       <B4gder> you should use real linux and it'll run must faster
09.27.59 #       <JdGordon> hell no.. damn i hate the bloody thing
09.28.19 #       <amiconn> It's a pity that the upload speed is so limited...
09.28.35 #       <amiconn> should become a bit better within the next days
09.28.40 #       <midkay> haha. B4gder btw, i created that "short" features description page on the wiki (WhyRockbox) - maybe you want to have a look.
09.28.49 #       <B4gder> will do
09.28.57 #       <midkay> need to get to bed now, though.. nite all.
09.29.13 #       <LinusN> midkay: i like WhyRockbox
09.29.24 #       <midkay> LinusN, the title or the.. content?
09.29.30 #       <LinusN> content
09.29.35 #       <LinusN> good work
09.29.49 #       <Bg3r> B4gder what about s/mp3 players/(DAP|digital audio players) ? 
09.29.53 #       <Bg3r> on the front page
09.29.59 #       <midkay> cool, thx :) if you didn't hear, it was for the main page..
09.30.18 #       <midkay> probably to replace the full features list that's linked to and probably too much for beginners to handle..
09.31.44 #       <Zagor> Bg3r: too technical, imho. i think most "general users" call them mp3 players, even when they support other formats
09.32.11 #       * JdGordon thinks Bg3r's * key is stuck... got B0ld?
09.32.36 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon ?
09.32.42 #       <midkay> JdGordon, you mean mine? :)
09.32.49 #       <JdGordon> ye, sorry
09.33.16 #       <midkay> JdGordon, i decided to try emphasizing the main points in bold - wasn't sure how it would look, but i was tired of writing and i thought it looked pretty good, so i put it up.
09.35.40 #       <midkay> hm - the cvs build system hasn't detected my commit immediately after the fix for ondios - i wonder if it didn't realize it since it was already building something, or just taking a while?
09.36.15 #       <LinusN> reload the page
09.36.27 #       * amiconn wonders why still no one seems to consider the grayscale lib for games
09.36.57 #       <amiconn> I think the solid greyscale cube on archos proves that the lib is fast enough for moving gfx
09.36.59 #       <LinusN> because it SUCKS!   :-)
09.37.12 #       <Bg3r> sounds considerably better than the standard Archos firmware ?
09.37.41 #       <Bg3r> midkay how this ?
09.37.45 #       <midkay> maybe something to look into - i updated apps/plugins/bubbles.c
09.37.45 #       <midkay> ah. there it goes.
09.37.45 #       <midkay> :)
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09.37.45 #       <midkay> night again.. *poof*
09.37.50 #       <LinusN> and on the iriver it sounds like a bag of shit ;-)
09.37.55 #       <B4gder> haha
09.37.58 #       <Bg3r> :D
09.38.04 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: On recorder it actually does (at least v1)
09.38.20 #       <Bg3r> amiconn ??
09.38.21 #       <amiconn> No ticking background noise
09.38.27 #       <Bg3r> ah
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09.40.46 #       <Bg3r> do the ipods support recording ?
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10.01.01 #       <bobTHC> hi folks !
10.06.59 #       <BHSPitLappy> hi folk!
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10.16.57 #       <muesli__> yo
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10.32.16 #       <linuxstb> Bg3r: In theory, yes, the ipods support recording.  It's not implemented in Rockbox yet though.
10.35.39 #       <kclaf> recording through the jack connector ?
10.35.40 #       <bobTHC> on that page : http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox a mistake is in the last paragraph about ipod
10.36.06 #       <bobTHC> in the last sentence
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10.37.10 #       <Bg3r> bobTHC that's why i'm asking
10.37.20 #       <bobTHC> hehe
10.37.33 #       * Bg3r is impatient to get scored ...
10.39.45 #       <JdGordon> haha.. ur waiting for me
10.39.54 #       <JdGordon> should be faster this time
10.40.03 #       <JdGordon> how long ago did u start it?
10.40.17 #       <linuxstb> kclaf: Recording through the headphone connector, plus a true line-in via the dock connector.
10.40.41 #       <JdGordon> t0mas: :( remove my comp from the build system... its slowing the whole thing down...
10.42.18 #       <Bg3r> linuxstb btw, is there a reason to define the hold button as a button?
10.42.26 #       <Bg3r> on ipods
10.43.06 #       <Bg3r> and, why only for 3G ?
10.43.38 #       <linuxstb> Bg3r: I've no idea.  That was probably one of slimx's 3g patches that I committed.
10.43.57 #       <Bg3r> ah
10.44.13 #       <Bg3r> i'm asking because there's no such define on any of the other targets
10.46.14 #       <linuxstb> slimx hasn't been around recently - and he's the only person I know with a 3g.  I don't even know if the audio driver I wrote is working....
10.46.31 #       <linuxstb> But if that define isn't being used anywhere, then delete it.
10.46.58 #       <Bg3r> it's used in button.c :), but i'll take a look
10.47.05 #       <linuxstb> Yes, I've just seen that...
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10.49.23 #       <B4gder> JdGordon: I now moved out your server from the cvs build script
10.49.37 #       <JdGordon> ok
10.49.38 #       <B4gder> but thanks a lot anyway
10.50.21 #       <JdGordon> i have a nother comp im evventually gonna set up probably as a proper linux server.. that might have better speeds...
10.50.30 #       <JdGordon> but im lazy, and prob wont happen for ages
10.51.06 #       <Bg3r> whose is the fastest server ? (217.112...)
10.51.20 #       <B4gder> 217 is Slasheri's
10.51.44 #       <B4gder> but it isn't that easy to tell which is the "fastest"
10.52.05 #       <Bg3r> yep, because archos targets are easier for compile ...
10.52.15 #       <B4gder> yes, and bootloaders are really quick
10.52.24 #       <B4gder> the sims are the heavy builds
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10.53.00 #       <Bg3r> okay, now if you have problems with buttons on the targets, blame me :P
10.53.16 #       * crashd decides not to update via a bleeding edge build today
10.53.16 #       <crashd> : )
10.53.23 #       <Bg3r> :)
10.53.47 #       <crashd> heh
10.54.19 #       * B4gder made the server stats pages even more fancy
10.55.27 #       <Zagor> I'd say the server which consistently does the most builds is the fastest.
10.55.43 #       <B4gder> well, its a bandwidth issue too
10.55.49 #       <Zagor> true
10.55.53 #       <B4gder> that one has 100mbit 
10.55.59 #       <bobTHC> btw, sunday , stats were unavailable
10.55.59 #       <B4gder> to the main server
10.56.00 #       <Zagor> I have an unfair advantage :-)
10.57.09 #       <B4gder> in fact, only 3 servers do the sim builds
10.57.26 #       <Mikachu> the sims - livin it large
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11.02.39 #       <crashd> is there a wiki page which details which audio codecs are working on which platforms, and so on?
11.02.55 #       <B4gder> SoundCodecs
11.03.16 #       <crashd> isnt that a discussion of the possibilities?
11.03.20 #       <crashd> ahhh
11.03.23 #       <crashd> such a cretin.
11.06.19 #       <Bg3r> what should we do with the gl's patches ?
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11.06.53 #       <B4gder> rewrite them in the same spirit but without using his code
11.06.59 #       <Bg3r> :)))
11.07.07 #       <amiconn> B4gder: Did you remove the upload for sim builds meanwhile?
11.07.17 #       <B4gder> no
11.07.22 #       <B4gder> I was hoping for t0mas to do that
11.07.34 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: Is there a way to reliably tell the iPod generation before buying it?
11.07.47 #       <B4gder> but I think I'll edit it to skip the zip file myself
11.07.51 #       * amiconn is thinking about getting hold of a 3G, or mini
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11.09.33 #       <Bg3r> amiconn ?
11.09.43 #       <Bg3r> i was going to remove it
11.09.56 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: This page describes all the different iPods - http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=61688
11.10.33 #       <linuxstb> If you look underneath the big table, it also describes the differences between the different models.
11.13.07 #       <Mikachu> is this good?
11.13.09 #       <Mikachu> *PANIC*
11.13.12 #       <Mikachu> Stkov main
11.13.38 #       <B4gder> ouch
11.13.44 #       <Bg3r> yes, it's good as much as a stack overflow is good ...
11.13.54 #       <Mikachu> got it playing Bubbles
11.13.58 #       <Mikachu> at maybe level 12 or so
11.14.17 #       <Mikachu> how large is the stack for plugins?
11.14.23 #       <B4gder> it uses the main stack
11.14.28 #       <B4gder> so 8K
11.14.38 #       <B4gder> iirc
11.14.45 #       <Mikachu> okay
11.15.59 #       <JdGordon> yay! seg fault :'(
11.16.26 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: What were you going to remove?
11.16.49 #       <Bg3r> the BUTTON_HOLD define ... in iPod 3g code
11.17.08 #       <Bg3r> used only in button.c line 362
11.17.46 #       <Bg3r> but i proved again my english skills :P
11.19.48 #       <crashd> hums
11.19.55 #       <JdGordon> bums
11.20.08 #       <crashd> let's see if Bg3r's patch breaks rockbox on my ipod ;)
11.20.50 #       * Bg3r prays 
11.20.55 #       <crashd> heh
11.21.02 #       <crashd> am only getting 9k/sec from the server tho O.o
11.21.13 #       <crashd> which is...a little slow.
11.21.35 #       <B4gder> bandwidth is not what it has the most of ;-)
11.21.39 #       <crashd> hehe
11.21.50 #       <crashd> yeah, but ive never had really slow downloads from rockbox.org before
11.21.51 #       <crashd> ah well
11.22.14 #       <B4gder> I released a security advisory for curl yday
11.22.27 #       <B4gder> and I'm now loading the net a lot by people downloading new curl packages
11.23.10 #       <Bg3r> B4gder found by u or ?
11.23.25 #       <B4gder> no, found by an external guy doing auditing
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11.24.22 #       <B4gder> but curl.haxx.se shares the same network as rockbox.org
11.26.21 #       <Mikachu> hm, i still had .0
11.28.09 #       <Bg3r> sprintf... :)
11.28.21 #       <B4gder> yeah, a sorry piece of flaw
11.28.31 #       <Bg3r> yep
11.28.47 #       <Mikachu> okay
11.28.51 #       <B4gder> but believe me, it is _hard_ to keep things really clean
11.28.54 #       <Mikachu> bubbles_searchgroup() is recursive
11.28.57 #       <Zagor> B4gder: I think we should strip the 'nowrap' attribute from the "where" column. we have som very long filenames now and it makes the "what" column really cramped.
11.28.58 #       <Mikachu> so that's my prime suspect for now
11.29.16 #       <Zagor> B4gder: (in the lastcvs page)
11.29.35 #       <B4gder> Zagor: but the file names won't wrap anyway, so it won't help a lot
11.29.48 #       <B4gder> we should consider chopping them somehow
11.29.56 #       <B4gder> when they are really long
11.30.19 #       <Zagor> opera wraps on '/'
11.30.20 #       <Mikachu> bubbles_anchored is also recursive
11.30.30 #       <B4gder> what's opera? ;-)
11.30.34 #       <Zagor> :-)
11.30.49 #       <Mikachu> should i open a bug about this?
11.30.58 #       <B4gder> Mikachu: I think you should
11.31.03 #       <crashd> Bg3r: nothing seems to have broke
11.31.06 #       <crashd> you can breath out now ;)
11.31.13 #       <Bg3r> crashd okay :)
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11.31.20 #       <crashd> but, im sure you knew that anyway, heh
11.31.28 #       <amiconn> "what" is still wider than "where" here...
11.31.49 #       <Bg3r> crashd i don't have an iPod, so i can't be sure :)
11.32.20 #       <Zagor> amiconn: yes, if you have a very wide browser window. try 800-1000 pixels width.
11.32.23 #       <Mikachu> lets say i wanted to increase the stack size, how would i do that?
11.32.47 #       <amiconn> We don't want that
11.32.58 #       <amiconn> Plugins use the main stack, which is in IRAM
11.33.03 #       <Mikachu> ah, okay
11.33.05 #       <amiconn> (for iriver + iPod)
11.33.10 #       <Mikachu> then the 32MB don't help
11.33.12 #       <Zagor> Mikachu: the correct solution is to fix the plugin
11.33.20 #       <Mikachu> yaeh, i ujst meant if i wanted to play more today :)
11.34.00 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: In fact BUTTON_REPEAT and BUTTON_REL don't need their own bit when we'll add other modifiers
11.34.29 #       <Bg3r> amiconn probably :)
11.34.32 #       <amiconn> Only one modifier is possible per button event, so modifiers could be an enumeration, using some bits
11.34.40 #       <amiconn> ...like the SYS_ event
11.34.41 #       <amiconn> s
11.35.04 #       <Bg3r> ah, then we have 16 possible modifiers already :)
11.35.34 #       <Bg3r> 64 with REL/REPEAT bits
11.35.40 #       <Mikachu> char str[30];
11.35.45 #       <Mikachu> does stuff like that use a lot of stack?
11.35.52 #       <B4gder> 30 bytes ;-)
11.35.52 #       <Bg3r> 30bytes ? :)
11.35.55 #       <Mikachu> (this is not in the recursive function)
11.35.56 #       <Mikachu> okay :P
11.36.07 #       <Mikachu> i'm a bit tired
11.36.28 #       <Mikachu> i can move those into the loops they're used in, at least that will give the recursion 30 more bytes :)
11.38.01 #       <Bg3r> hm, as the 3.0 is a major release, what about changing the logo ? 
11.38.03 #       * Bg3r hides
11.38.06 #       <Mikachu> is this legal?
11.38.09 #       <Mikachu>         switch(bubbles(&bb)){
11.38.09 #       <Mikachu>             char str[19];
11.38.09 #       <Mikachu>             case BB_WIN:
11.38.16 #       <Bg3r> yes, it is
11.38.21 #       <Mikachu> looks a bit funny
11.38.27 #       <Mikachu> but it should give bubbles() 19 bytes
11.38.37 #       <B4gder> Bg3r: I like the logo
11.38.38 #       <Zagor> Bg3r: I haven't seen a logo suggestion I like more than our current one
11.38.57 #       <Bg3r> Zagor what about a new logo contest ? :)
11.39.14 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: These recursive functions look like they recurse too much, and hence both get slow and hog the stack
11.39.15 #       <JdGordon> oh bloody helll... the recent plugin.[ch] changes means i have to manually patch them again :'( damn u
11.39.16 #       <Zagor> I'd have to dislike our current logo first. :-)
11.39.28 #       <Bg3r> see, this is a bit too-orange (imho)
11.39.49 #       <Zagor> orange is pretty! :-)
11.39.53 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: okay, that sounds plausible given the crash
11.40.18 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon sorry :(
11.40.24 #       <JdGordon> hehe, no worries
11.40.33 #       * amiconn has written a minesweeper clone (with many different shapes) in javascript, and hence knows how slow recursion can get
11.40.41 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: this should save a tiny bit, http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/15
11.40.57 #       <amiconn> I switched to recursion-without-recursive-calls
11.41.05 #       <Mikachu> that sohuld save more
11.41.21 #       <amiconn> ..and check whether I already visited a cell before recursing to it again
11.41.33 #       <Mikachu> i sort of thought that that check was missing too, but i wasn't sure
11.41.34 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
11.41.43 #       <amiconn> http://amiconn.dyndns.org/newgame/
11.42.10 #       <Mikachu> do you mean you switched in your game or in bubbles?
11.42.22 #       <amiconn> The actual source is http://amiconn.dyndns.org/newgame/game.js
11.42.24 #       <amiconn> In my game
11.42.30 #       <amiconn> 30KB javascript
11.42.33 #       <Mikachu> ah, i thought it was fast
11.43.07 #       * B4gder just edited the front page
11.43.09 #       <tucoz> amiconn, have you seen that javascript unix someone made?
11.43.36 #       <tucoz> or maybe not unix but *nix-like
11.44.12 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: do you feel like looking at it now or should i add the bug?
11.44.19 #       <Mikachu> i just don't want to add the bug if you're fixing it
11.44.51 #       <Bg3r> tucoz ?
11.45.04 #       <tucoz> http://www.masswerk.at/jsuix/
11.45.08 #       <tucoz> Bg3r, yes?
11.45.39 #       <Bg3r> i wanted to ask you about the URL :P
11.45.57 #       <tucoz> :-) Try it out. It's quite cool.
11.47.02 #       <Bg3r> wow :)
11.47.15 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: actually i think i fixed it.. at least it still works fine
11.47.36 #       <tucoz> even vi works
11.47.50 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: does this look right to you? http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/16
11.49.44 #       <JdGordon> my text editor plugin.. updated.. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4864
11.50.01 #       <B4gder> just fyi, we know when you update it
11.50.10 #       <JdGordon> oh ok
11.50.18 #       <B4gder> we get mailed on all tracker updates
11.50.18 #       * amiconn doesn't
11.50.24 #       <JdGordon> but, im hopeing some1 will actually look at it..
11.50.57 #       <Mikachu> bugzilla has a fun feature that lets you get all the mail another person gets
11.51.20 #       <B4gder> *all* his mail? B-]
11.51.35 #       <Mikachu> from the bugzilla.. :)
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11.51.39 #       <B4gder> aah
11.51.41 #       * B4gder grins
11.51.44 #       <Mikachu> :P
11.51.55 #       <Mikachu> i'm still playing bubbles without any problems
11.52.00 #       <Mikachu> but haven't made it to the same level yet
11.52.09 #       <Mikachu> but it doesn't look like i broke gameplay
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11.55.06 #       <JdGordon> wtf?? i accidently booted the iriver fw and it booted in like 10sec!
11.55.49 #       <tucoz> which is good or bad?
11.55.57 #       <JdGordon> unexpected..
11.56.05 #       <JdGordon> makes no diff.. i never use it anyway
11.57.30 #       <Bg3r> any objections against http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4833 ?
11.57.38 #       <Bg3r> against commiting it
11.58.25 #       <JdGordon> shouldnt that change be done on all regular yes/no questions anyway?
11.58.56 #       <B4gder> Bg3r: go ahead!
11.59.28 #       <Mikachu> shit, i'm at level 16 now and i think it was a few more levels from this one.. :)
11.59.58 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, is the text editor good?
12.00.06 #       <JdGordon> of course it is!
12.00.25 #       <tucoz> I could think of uses for that. Like, on target wps-editing etc.
12.00.50 #       <JdGordon> ye, thats what its for...only suky thing is the on screen keyboard which needs work
12.00.56 #       <tucoz> What vkeyboard do you use? The standard one
12.01.00 #       <tucoz> ?
12.01.00 #       <JdGordon> ye
12.01.36 #       <tucoz> hmm, I think that is too hard to use. I never remember where space is on that one :-(
12.01.59 #       <JdGordon> arnt all the blanks space?
12.02.36 #       <tucoz> I think not. But, I am not sure
12.02.37 #       <JdGordon> also, coz there is no "enter" key, u can only edit 1 line at a time..
12.03.25 #       <B4gder> we should add a multi-line mode for it
12.03.31 #       <B4gder> "we"
12.03.33 #       <B4gder> :-)
12.03.34 #       <tucoz> I think I have tried to type a space, but when I look at a file renamed using a blank, I get a square on host
12.04.04 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: got it, it's fixed so if you want to, apply that patch
12.04.18 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: level 21 has large groups of the same color, that's where it crashed
12.04.50 #       <B4gder> http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/serv-2006-03-21%2010:34:02.html
12.05.07 #       <B4gder> there, we're now on top ;-)
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12.05.32 #       <B4gder> its funny how much they vary
12.05.51 #       * B4gder runs off for lunch
12.06.18 #       <Bg3r> how the build system decides which build on which server to be  made?
12.06.35 #       <tucoz> Black magic
12.06.38 #       <Bg3r> :D
12.06.55 #       <JdGordon> t0mas said they take 1 each, starting with the targets that the fewest servers can build...
12.08.31 #       <JdGordon> who can spot the 1 ascii char thats not available in the keyboard, but should be
12.09.41 #       <Mikachu> by ascii, do you mean 0-127?
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12.10.06 #       <JdGordon> yup
12.10.14 #       <tucoz> : and ; ?
12.10.20 #       <tucoz> or isn't that ascii perhaps
12.10.31 #       <JdGordon> them also.. ok, 3 chars missing
12.10.35 #       <Mikachu> those are definitely ascii
12.10.49 #       <JdGordon> no \
12.12.18 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4872 , close that if you do apply it
12.12.29 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, if you work on the keyboard, do you think you could make space be a bit easier to find? Or are all blanks spaces
12.12.36 #       <Bg3r> amiconn i'll do it :)
12.12.59 #       <JdGordon> tucoz: i just looked.. all the spaces between groups should be spaces
12.13.30 #       <tucoz> really? ok. Then I rest my case
12.13.38 #       <Bg3r> Mikachu u've tested it, yep ?
12.13.56 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: yeah, like i wrote in the desc
12.14.08 #       <Mikachu> but i died on level 22 :/
12.14.11 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, Is that true for the spaces on the bottom right corner of the keyboard as well?
12.14.22 #       <tucoz> *blanks
12.15.17 #       <JdGordon> yup, should be
12.15.41 #       <Bg3r> :P
12.15.53 #       * JdGordon just found the morse code input screen
12.15.55 #       <tucoz> ok. 
12.15.59 #       <JdGordon> looks interesting..
12.16.13 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon yeah :)
12.16.44 #       <phaedrus961> tucoz, there are at least three chars on the vkeyboard which are displayed as spaces but aren't. maybe you used one of those?
12.17.18 #       <tucoz> Is it possible to use direction keys in the current vkeyboard? To move to a certain position in the text. If it is, how do I access that mode.
12.17.40 #       <JdGordon> ye, on the h300 u hold on and use left/right
12.17.40 #       <tucoz> phaedrus961, ah. That is possible. Well, then I have a case again :-D
12.17.49 #       <Bg3r> Mikachu r'u in the credits already ?
12.17.53 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: yes
12.17.58 #       <Bg3r> name ?
12.18.11 #       <Mikachu> mikael magnusson
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12.18.26 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, thanks
12.18.59 #       <Bg3r> commited
12.19.11 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: committed, sorry for all the hilights :)
12.20.57 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: thanks
12.21.13 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, ok. As there are blanks that are not space, then I think that should be changed so that it's not that ambiguous.
12.22.01 #       <JdGordon> probably.. there is a nice long forum thread abuot a replacemtn keyboard widget... hopefully they will come up with a good solution..
12.22.19 #       <JdGordon> the ones between that act as column borders are safe to use as space
12.22.41 #       <phaedrus961> I have a patch which allows you to define your own layout
12.23.01 #       <JdGordon> phaedrus961: does it allow for more than 1 line of input?
12.23.02 #       <phaedrus961> and also allows unicode chars
12.23.05 #       <Bg3r> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856 ?
12.23.09 #       <tucoz> Ok, well that is ok for me then. But it's not a good solution anyway
12.23.27 #       <phaedrus961> Bg3r, yes
12.24.17 #       <markun> I think a custom keyboard for every target (like being suggested in the forum) is not worth the trouble.
12.24.24 #       <Bg3r> any opinions on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4812 ?
12.24.34 #       <markun> phaedrus961's patch is generic and simple.
12.24.49 #       <phaedrus961> JdGordon, no it doesn't, but maybe it could
12.25.23 #       * JdGordon thinks its silly having a huge input area (havnt actually seen your code, going by the current kb), and only alowing 1 line of text
12.25.24 #       <phaedrus961> on targets with large screens at least
12.25.35 #       <JdGordon> also, i need a simple way to get multiple lines form the user :p
12.25.49 #       <markun> phaedrus961: enter, tab, space etc are a problem
12.26.14 #       <Bg3r> phaedrus961 and remote support ... :)
12.26.29 #       <phaedrus961> markun, entering them is not a problem, only displaying them
12.26.32 #       <markun> JdGordon: what's silly about it? It's only used for file names so far
12.26.34 #       <JdGordon> Bg3r: shouldnt that patch make sure the current track is stopped before deleting it?
12.26.50 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon that's what i thought too ...
12.26.52 #       <JdGordon> markun: true.. but its soo much blank space
12.26.55 #       <Mikachu> calendar.c:    if (rb->kbd_input(memos[memos_in_memory].message,
12.27.02 #       <Mikachu> is that also for a filename?
12.27.23 #       <markun> Mikachu: no, you are right
12.27.28 #       <Mikachu> that wasn't meant to sound sarcastic by the way
12.28.00 #       <markun> :)
12.28.13 #       <JdGordon> phaedrus961: also, might be nice to add a tilte for the keyboard, so the user knows what why he is at the kb screen.. incase he forgot or something
12.28.25 #       * JdGordon gettign a pie.. back in 4min
12.28.32 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: you're using utf8 in your commit messages but the frontpage expects iso-8859-1.. if you care
12.29.10 #       <Bg3r> Mikachu yeah... but this also goes in the cvs log..
12.30.06 #       <Mikachu> okay, i don't know what policy you have on taht
12.30.30 #       <phaedrus961> JdGordon, we could pass a string to be displayed by the keyboard function, but I don't think it's needed until we use it for something other than filenames
12.30.35 #       <markun> Mikachu: maybe we should start using UTF-8 a bit more. Diffs from lang files look very strange now.
12.30.36 #       <Mikachu> markun: did you ever do anything about that unicode text viewer?
12.30.54 #       <tucoz> viewcvs also expects iso-8859-1
12.31.08 #       <Mikachu> i'm pretty sure it's just a setting in apache
12.31.13 #       <markun> phaedrus961, do you plan to continue on the viewer?
12.31.14 #       <Mikachu> the content headers have iso88591 in them
12.31.30 #       <Bg3r> while on Mikachu's patches, any opinions on this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4851 ?
12.31.55 #       <Mikachu> Paprica should be handling that one
12.32.05 #       <phaedrus961> I kind of lost interest, but maybe I'll continue sometime
12.32.12 #       <Mikachu> he asked me to but that bug up
12.32.19 #       <Bg3r> ah, okay
12.32.34 #       <phaedrus961> If someone wants to test or work on it, I can send a patch
12.32.51 #       <phaedrus961> I've already fixed the half-screen bug
12.33.14 #       <Bg3r> phaedrus961 put it on the tracker ..
12.33.15 #       <Mikachu> do you count widths of varwidth characters?
12.33.17 #       <phaedrus961> and begun work on switching encodings, but no menu yet
12.33.52 #       <phaedrus961> yes
12.34.44 #       <Mikachu> and i trust you don't linebreak utf-8 in the middle of a character too? :)
12.35.19 #       <Mikachu> i'd be interested in the code
12.35.26 #       <phaedrus961> nope :)
12.36.13 #       <phaedrus961> I'll put it on the tracker
12.36.20 #       <Mikachu> thanks
12.37.38 #       <JdGordon> any1 like the idea of a predone menu for plugins which gives u control of the music without having to exit the plugin?
12.38.10 #       <Mikachu> hahhaa, flyspray is funny
12.38.13 #       <Mikachu> Flyspray cannot provide the page you requested. Perhaps you requested a task that does not exist, or you do not have permission to view the page you wanted.
12.38.16 #       <Mikachu> You may have tried to use a naughty URL to interact with the database backend using SQL injection. If this is true, go to the corner and think about your actions. When you return, please do not do it again!
12.38.26 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, I am all for that
12.38.41 #       <Bg3r> :D haha
12.38.44 #       <JdGordon> thats enough for me...
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12.39.05 #       <tucoz> JdGordon, although I have little say in that area :-)
12.39.43 #       <LinusN> JdGordon: i want that
12.40.07 #       <Mikachu> that reminds me, i sort of had an idea about ipod wheel and volume
12.40.12 #       * JdGordon getting a clean cvs tree
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12.40.35 #       <Mikachu> instead of controlling the volume directly when you touch the wheel, it could check if you touched it on a certain point, and only accept volume changes until the next release
12.40.41 #       <Mikachu> since lostlogic's patch allows checking for that
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12.41.06 #       <Mikachu> that way it shouldn't be possible to change the volume by accident in your pocket, making preglow happy
12.41.29 #       <Mikachu> the only problem is it's pretty hard to guess what point you're supposed to start on
12.42.14 #       <Mikachu> it would also be possible to require scrolling 1/4 lap before starting to accept volume changes if you really don't want to do it by accident
12.42.21 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: Yes, I'm definitely in favour of a plugin audio menu as well.  
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12.42.27 #       <JdGordon> is this coz ipod has no hold?
12.42.30 #       <Mikachu> and opens up possibilites like doing other things when starting on other points
12.42.36 #       <Mikachu> JdGordon: no, because we want to have hold off :)
12.42.49 #       <JdGordon> but still control audio?
12.42.52 #       <Mikachu> yeah
12.42.52 #       <JdGordon> volume
12.42.55 #       <JdGordon> ok.. 
12.43.07 #       <Mikachu> rather, be able to press next/previous without the volume changing
12.43.19 #       <Mikachu> since you can't press those buttons without scrolling the wheel if you're not looking
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12.44.34 #       <Mikachu> phaedrus961: sorry for being impatient, but are you putting the patch in?
12.44.41 #       <Zoide7777> hi guys
12.44.58 #       <phaedrus961> yeah, give me a min
12.45.14 #       <Zoide7777> i noticed the update so now there are keys for pitch change in the ipods.... Where in the interface should those keys be pressed?
12.45.28 #       <Mikachu> Zoide7777: there isn't a hook for actually going to that screen yet
12.45.37 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: How are you thinking about implementing a menu for audio functions in plugins?
12.46.27 #       <JdGordon> linuxstb: create a menu with all the functionality, then just add the function to the plugin api.. that would work wouldnt it?
12.46.53 #       <JdGordon> then its just up to the individual plugins to call it
12.47.23 #       <linuxstb> Or you could put it in the plugin lib - to keep the core code size down.  Assuming you can easily export all the needed functions via the plugin API.
12.47.39 #       <linuxstb> Ah, but then there is no localisation...  So maybe the core is best for now.
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12.48.40 #       <JdGordon> we can #define it out for the archos.. how many games are available on it? i dont tihnk it would be so nescacery in the other plugins...
12.49.17 #       <JdGordon> which targets are really size constraind?
12.49.23 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: hrm, i just confirmed the patch doesn't fix the bug
12.49.31 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: All of them.  We shouldn't waste RAM anywhere.
12.49.41 #       <Bg3r> Mikachu hmm
12.49.55 #       <JdGordon> linuxstb: i meant exe size wise...
12.49.56 #       <Mikachu> it's easier to try now that the plugin lets me jump to level 21
12.51.30 #       <Mikachu> for the record, it crashes if the first thing i do in the level is shoot a red ball at either of the group of 3 red balls in level 21
12.51.36 #       <JdGordon> linuxstb: actually, if i reuse as many functions as i can, it shouldnt add too much to the size..
12.51.53 #       <linuxstb> JdGordon: Now we have amiconn's compressed loader, I don't think we are dangerously short on space on any target.  But IMO, if code is only needed by plugins, it should be in the plugin lib.
12.52.12 #       <JdGordon> ok
12.52.38 #       <JdGordon> no reason this couldnt be used in the core.. then the wps can be removed and the entire system can be done through menus...
12.52.48 #       <linuxstb> But saying that, I don't feel strongly about it - IMO, localisation could be a good reason to keep it in the core, and it shouldn't be too much code.
12.52.48 #       * JdGordon forgot sarcasm tag on prev msg
12.52.53 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: do i want to reopen the patch or open a new bug?
12.53.24 #       <Bg3r> Mikachu if you plan to dig into this, reopen it
12.53.26 #       <imphasing> 7:08 hours on the 5g, playing FLAC
12.53.27 #       <imphasing> :)
12.53.32 #       <imphasing> Yay for benchmarking
12.53.43 #       <Mikachu> Bg3r: well, i don't really have any idea what else to try
12.53.48 #       <linuxstb> imphasing: That's interesting.  I got slightly more than that on my 4g Color.
12.54.13 #       <linuxstb> Do you know the approximate bitrate of your FLAC files?  I think mine were around 900kbps.
12.54.57 #       <phaedrus961> Mikachu, patch uploaded
12.55.02 #       <imphasing> Let me check..
12.55.04 #       <Mikachu> thanks
12.55.10 #       <Mikachu> unfortunately i have to go to school for 4 hours now :)
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12.55.32 #       <ironi_> hi all
12.55.32 #       <linuxstb> imphasing: Also, is this with a very recent Rockbox?  i.e. one that does dynamic CPU speed changing?
12.55.46 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: We should still strive to get code size down on archos
12.55.50 #       <imphasing> This is the daily fron yesterday
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12.55.53 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: Of course.
12.56.11 #       <amiconn> While the hard limit is lifted, almost evry byte counts due to the limited ram
12.56.20 #       <phaedrus961> Mikachu, there were some things I wanted to finish on it anyway, maybe it'll be updated when you get back
12.56.29 #       <imphasing> these are 800kbps flac files
13.00.02 #       <JdGordon> ah crap.. how do i copy in vnc so i can paste the text outside of vnc?
13.01.09 #       <amiconn> B4gder: 5 seconds for one of the builds on mine. Is that a record?
13.01.28 #       <B4gder> I think so
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13.05.15 #       * Zagor is pondering automated lint runs
13.05.29 #       <Zagor> we have too little colour in our build table :-)
13.05.48 #       <B4gder> well, enable that gcc4 warning we have disabled ;-)
13.06.54 #       <B4gder> adds signed/unisgned warnings like crazy
13.07.34 #       <JdGordon> are static local variables created when the program starts? or the first time the function with it is called?
13.07.39 #       <Zoide7777> Could the "Max files in dir browser" default be increased to more than 400?  If that's a problem for the archoses, there could always be an ifdef for them...
13.07.54 #       <B4gder> more than 400?
13.07.59 #       <Zagor> B4gder: well I'd prefer som more useful messages
13.08.00 #       <B4gder> why?
13.08.18 #       <B4gder> Zagor: we can in fact add a lot of more pedantic gcc warnings too
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13.08.42 #       <B4gder> people with more than 400 entries in a single dir should be educated!
13.08.50 #       <Zoide7777> B4gder: because it's too small.  Every time I reset settings or update Rockbox I have to change it, or else it doesn't list all of my files and says dir browser cache full or something
13.09.04 #       <B4gder> then rearrange I say
13.09.14 #       <B4gder> or save a .cfg
13.09.39 #       <Zoide7777> B4gder: well, I had already succumbed to creating Artist folders while I wait for tagcache... and even so it's way more than 400...
13.10.07 #       <Bg3r> Zoide7777 then add one more level with genre ...
13.10.07 #       <B4gder> 400 artists?
13.10.34 #       <B4gder> I use genre/artist/album/track.mp3
13.10.47 #       <Zoide7777> B4gder: almost 700 artists
13.11.15 #       <Zoide7777> well, 679
13.11.35 #       <linuxstb> Zoide7777: Just create a one-line .cfg file containing the text "max files in dir: 10000" (or whatever you want the limit to be) and select it after every settings reset.
13.12.24 #       <linuxstb> Or as B4gder said, save a .cfg file with your preferred settings for everything, and load that.
13.12.34 #       <Zoide7777> linuxstb: ok, i just wonder why the default is so low?  surely it doesn't hurt to raise it for the more modern players?
13.12.46 #       <B4gder> I don't think 400 is low
13.12.53 #       <linuxstb> Most people would ask why it is so high.
13.13.03 #       <amiconn> 400 is quite large, imho
13.13.19 #       <Jungti1234> hi
13.13.21 #       <Zoide7777> really?  oh, well
13.13.30 #       <Bg3r> the only time i hit this limit was when browsing my "fun" stuff ...
13.13.49 #       <amiconn> ...but most of these problems will be solved when changing the running config to use .cfg files
13.13.51 #       <Zoide7777> I guess that's why I'm one of the few who really want scrollwheel acceleration and who prefer a database to the file/folder navigation
13.14.02 #       <amiconn> No more settings reset by config block version changes
13.14.03 #       <Zoide7777> (too many artists!)
13.14.19 #       <linuxstb> Zoide7777: I think most Rockbox users have an Genre/Artist/Album/ directory structure set up.  Which makes Rockbox navigation easy.
13.14.22 #       <B4gder> Zoide7777: other poeple would split the list
13.14.29 #       <Zoide7777> Bg3r: > 400 porn pics??
13.14.38 #       <Zoide7777> hehe
13.15.18 #       <ironi_> i have problems with VA-albums
13.15.30 #       <ironi_> with databse it always makes too many artists in my list
13.15.33 #       <ironi_> :)
13.15.50 #       <Bg3r> Zoide7777 haha no
13.16.04 #       <Zoide7777> Bg3: hey, you said it was your "fun" stuff... :)
13.16.12 #       <Bg3r> text/jpegs/ etc
13.16.23 #       <Jungti1234> um..
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13.18.37 #       <Jungti1234> what is 'pitch'?
13.20.11 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: high/low frequency
13.20.29 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: for example, a note D is higher pitch than a note C, if they are on the same octave
13.20.44 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: similarly 5000 hz is higher pitch than 1000 hz
13.21.09 #       <linuxstb> In Rockbox, the "pitch screen" allows you to adjust the playback speed to play the track faster or slower (which also changes the pitch)
13.21.29 #       <Jungti1234> um..
13.24.09 #       <Jungti1234> sorry, I don't understand.
13.24.24 #       <Jungti1234> It's difficult word.
13.24.44 #       <JdGordon> playlist_next changes the current track?
13.25.42 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: Another example is human voice.  Usually a man's voice is "lower pitch" than a woman's voice.  And a woman's voice is "higher pitch" than a man's voice
13.26.04 #       <Jungti1234> 'pitch' means that throw a ball. no?
13.26.11 #       <tucoz> that also
13.26.22 #       <Zoide7777> but the meaning is totally different
13.26.54 #       <Jungti1234> hmm.. pitch...
13.27.11 #       <Jungti1234> Frequency alteration?
13.27.46 #       * amiconn found one blue and one silver iPod mini on ebay so far
13.28.12 #       <tucoz> amiconn, ipod for you?
13.28.23 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: yes, in a way.  higher pitch = higher frequency, lower  pitch = lower frequency
13.28.46 #       <Jungti1234> ok :)
13.30.35 #       <B4gder> hey
13.30.45 #       <B4gder> I can build with langv2 file
13.30.54 #       <Jungti1234> oh..
13.31.17 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: So in Rockbox, when you speed up the playback you increase the pitch.  Similar to playing a vinyl or cassette at high speed.  Suddenly the singer sounds like a girl or a chipmunk
13.31.49 #       <ironi_> but can't that be prevented to some extent
13.32.04 #       <Jungti1234> ah? playback speed?
13.32.18 #       <JdGordon> does audio_pause() mute the radio?
13.32.26 #       <ironi_> i mean that when oyu play faster it makes the voice a bit darker and the other way around
13.32.39 #       <ironi_> so that it isn't that obvious?
13.32.46 #       <ironi_> just guessing here
13.32.48 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: Yes.  It can be useful to increase playback speed.  For example if you listen to audiobooks and you want to listen to it faster.
13.33.13 #       <Jungti1234> Zoide7777: nono, Again
13.33.15 #       <cs_weasel> that's computationally expensive for something like a DAP to do
13.33.21 #       <cs_weasel> ironi_
13.33.22 #       <ironi_> cs_weasel: i guess :)
13.33.39 #       <cs_weasel> that's the sort of thing you see in software like Acid and such
13.33.46 #       <Jungti1234> Zoide7777: Is it frequency alteration? or playback speed?
13.33.49 #       <cs_weasel> neat trick, but taxes the cpu :)
13.33.58 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: Both
13.34.01 #       <Jungti1234> oh..
13.34.14 #       <Jungti1234> I'm confused.
13.34.51 #       <tucoz> Jungti1234, it is playback speed
13.34.52 #       <Zoide7777> Jungti: You *could* alter then independently, but it's harder for the CPU because it has to do more calculations  (someone please correct me if I'm wrong)
13.35.09 #       <tucoz> Jungti1234, which implies freq. alteration
13.35.15 #       <Jungti1234> tucoz: ok
13.35.17 #       <Jungti1234> Zoide7777: I understand now.
13.35.25 #       <cs_weasel> it's the same thing, think of a line that goes up and like so __-=-__-=-_-=-_
13.35.45 #       <cs_weasel> if you run through it faster, the frequency of the wave is higher too
13.36.20 #       <cs_weasel> you're suddenly doing 10 waves per second rather than 5
13.36.38 #       <cs_weasel> while doubling the speed you're traveling through it
13.37.01 #       <Zoide7777> This link might be helpful: http://whyfiles.larc.nasa.gov/text/kids/Problem_Board/problems/sound/sound_waves2.html
13.37.39 #       <cs_weasel> also, getting an audio editor like soundforge or something, zooming waaay into your mp3, and watching it play at different speeds :)
13.37.51 #       <amiconn> Well, we will probably be able to alter playback speed and pitch independently, without much extra cpu power, but for mp3 only
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13.38.25 #       <cs_weasel> neat
13.38.51 #       <Jungti1234> then, what is 'Party Mode'?
13.39.04 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: are you around?
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13.40.57 #       <tucoz> Jungti1234, try it out and see. But, in short terms, it disables stop-play-next-prev track changes and adds the track to the playlist instead
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13.41.51 #       <tucoz> Start playing a track, enable party-mode and try pressing keys in the file-browser
13.42.06 #       <tucoz> Usefull for PARTIES :-D
13.42.12 #       <cs_weasel> so you don't embarrass yourself by screwing up when you're pretending to be a DJ :-D
13.42.16 #       <Zoide7777> does anyone know how midkay's pitch screen is going?  I tried a build he sent me yesterday and it seemed to work fine
13.42.51 #       <Zoide7777> (then my ipod froze, but I don't know if that's related)
13.45.00 #       <B4gder> surprise at next commit!
13.45.04 #       <Zoide7777> I have an idea!!!  Could there be an option in Party Mode for "scratching" on the touch wheel???  Would that be possible or too difficult to implement?
13.46.07 #       <tucoz> B4gder, exiting
13.46.15 #       <B4gder> ;-)
13.46.16 #       <tucoz> exciting I mean
13.47.32 #       <JdGordon> can we put all the available .h files into 1 .h so we dont have to figure out which damn file we need to include?
13.48.08 #       <Jungti1234> B4gder: what?
13.49.05 #       <B4gder> what what?
13.49.32 #       <tucoz> Jungti1234, curious, eh?
13.49.34 #       <B4gder> I can't tell you what the surprise is, then it won't be any surprise
13.50.28 #       <Jungti1234> hm
13.50.45 #       <Zoide7777> What do you guys think about the scratching idea?  By scratching I mean like what DJs do when they spin the disks back and forth...
13.51.01 #       <B4gder> Zoide7777: good luck ;-)
13.51.55 #       <Zoide7777> B4gder: hahaha ok
13.52.44 #       <Jungti1234> Zoide7777: good idea
13.54.33 #       <Zoide7777> I mean, if we have software that lets us play Gameboy games and Doom on our MP3 players, we might as well be able to use it for scratching... :D
13.56.18 #       <Jungti1234> tucoz: Where can I find it? 'Party Mode'
13.56.42 #       <tucoz> It would be cool (although probably too expensive) to have a Samsung SSD in my h120. http://www.letsgodigital.org/en/news/articles/story_3341.html
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13.57.00 #       <tucoz> Jungti1234, general-setting->playback I think
13.57.59 #       <Jungti1234> ahh, yeah
13.59.03 #       <B4gder> now there's a build going on...
13.59.27 #       <Bg3r> B4gder !!!!!!!!
13.59.52 #       <B4gder> the v2 is actually not the surprise
13.59.55 #       <Bg3r> this can't be true :)
14.00.08 #       <Jungti1234> ahhh
14.00.10 #       <Jungti1234> wow
14.00.20 #       <B4gder> I haven't enabled the v2 yet since we still lack support scripts for it
14.00.29 #       <tucoz> B4gder, congratulations :)
14.00.34 #       <B4gder> that's what I'll do next
14.00.40 #       <Bg3r> ah!!
14.00.44 #       <B4gder> but check the cvs build for _another_ surprise ;-)
14.01.25 #       <safetydan> the suspense is killing me
14.01.40 #       <Bg3r> huh ?
14.01.53 #       <cs_weasel> F5ing like a maniac
14.02.31 #       <B4gder> hey, that'll prolong the build! ;-)
14.02.52 #       <cs_weasel> doh ;)
14.04.03 #       * safetydan awaits commit emails
14.04.07 #       <safetydan> much less load on the server
14.04.26 #       <B4gder> there
14.04.28 #       <Bg3r> ahhhhh:)
14.04.30 #       <Bg3r> yeah :)
14.04.39 #       <Bg3r> congrats, LinusN :)
14.04.49 #       <B4gder> also in the daily builds now
14.04.59 #       <Jungti1234> damn
14.05.01 #       <tucoz> What, X5 works?
14.05.10 #       <Jungti1234> my computer is bad.
14.05.11 #       <B4gder> and bleeding just now
14.05.12 #       <cs_weasel> oh cool, congrats
14.05.12 #       <tucoz> or "works"
14.05.14 #       <Bg3r> X5 probably boots :)
14.05.16 #       <safetydan> ooo
14.05.19 #       <tucoz> cool
14.05.27 #       <JdGordon> niiice
14.05.30 #       <JdGordon> congrats
14.05.45 #       <JdGordon> ok, why doesnt my menu show?
14.05.47 #       <B4gder> all cheering should go in LinusN's direction
14.05.58 #       <Moos> wee LinusN \o/ 
14.06.13 #       <B4gder> but he got 18 points!! :-]
14.06.20 #       <Jungti1234> hahaha
14.06.25 #       * Moos is ready for test something in his X5 60 gb
14.06.29 #       <tucoz> Congratulations LinusN 
14.06.31 #       <XavierGr> Is there a bootloader?
14.07.13 #       <B4gder> I'd like a small x5 picture please
14.07.45 #       <JdGordon> gotta do something about that build table.. waay to wide :p
14.07.53 #       <Bg3r> any opinions about this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4800 ?
14.08.55 #       <XavierGr> Bger: Any news on the zoom thing. I see you have a major activity this day :D
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14.09.04 #       <Jungti1234> good good good
14.09.06 #       <Moos> B4gder: is there someone (maybe you) already working on the STOP button replacement for X5?
14.09.23 #       <B4gder> replacement?
14.09.34 #       <JdGordon> only 1 of those warnings actually means anything.. 5 are unused vairables... congrats (y)
14.09.43 #       <B4gder> we just have to do key assignments without a stop button
14.09.51 #       <Moos> ok
14.09.56 #       <B4gder> there's the silly rec button we can abuse I guess
14.10.05 #       <Moos> hehe :-)
14.10.20 #       <B4gder> and we have no button combos on x5
14.10.20 #       * Bg3r also spots 9/18 ^[^i]/^i actual (not sim) targets ...
14.10.22 #       <Moos> B4gder: did you planed to do it yourself?
14.10.25 #       <B4gder> no
14.10.33 #       <B4gder> I'm on a langv2 track for 3.0
14.10.43 #       <Moos> maybe I will as soon I have more time
14.11.02 #       <Moos> Good luck for langv2 front
14.11.09 #       <Bg3r> ops, 11/18
14.13.20 #       <B4gder> Marsdaddy says he has WMA fixed-pointed now...
14.13.29 #       <tucoz> B4gder, no radio on the X5?
14.13.51 #       <Moos> there is
14.14.00 #       <tucoz> ok
14.14.49 #       <Jungti1234> oops
14.15.00 #       <Jungti1234> AR+RANLIB /home/Jeong/rockbox/boot/librockbox.a
14.15.00 #       <Jungti1234> make: *** /home/Jeong/rockbox/bootloader: No such file or directory.  Stop.
14.15.00 #       <Jungti1234> make: *** [all] Error 2
14.16.08 #       <JdGordon> how do i just to the next/prev track, and play/pause music?
14.16.28 #       <Bg3r> again, any opinions about this patch: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4800 ?
14.17.15 #       <B4gder> I'm in favour of allowing the feature somewhere outside of the debug menu, and maybe that is a fine approach
14.18.05 #       <Jungti1234> ah, I download it now.
14.20.48 #       <linuxstb> B4gder: Is there a wiki page for langv2? (I've failed to find it...)
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14.21.09 #       <B4gder> no, just my old notes: http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/langv2
14.21.23 #       <B4gder> but I'm not going for the full concept to start with
14.21.30 #       <preglow__> you got something to boot on x5 rockbox now?
14.21.41 #       <B4gder> yes
14.21.42 #       <Bg3r> hey, B4gder any other pics from the devconf ? :)
14.22.07 #       <Jungti1234> yahoo.... nicd B4gder
14.22.14 #       <Jungti1234> *nice
14.22.21 #       <B4gder> I want to collect pics from the guys and make a little devcon gallery
14.22.26 #       <B4gder> but time...
14.23.27 #       <XavierGr> http://www.infoverse.org/octomatics/octomatics.htm
14.24.06 #       <JdGordon> how do i goto the next/prev track in the playlist programatically?
14.24.56 #       <tucoz> Is there a RTC in the X5?
14.25.04 #       <LinusN> yes
14.25.21 #       <tucoz> ok, thanks.
14.25.53 #       <Jungti1234> How do I make bootloader the 'exe'?
14.25.54 #       <B4gder> preglow__: seen marsdaddy claiming to have a fixed-point wma codec now
14.26.00 #       <LinusN> the x5 bootloader is not yet ready
14.26.01 #       <Jungti1234> tools/mkboot ?
14.26.12 #       <Bg3r> Jungti1234 then better wait
14.26.17 #       <Jungti1234> haha.. ok
14.27.12 #       <JdGordon> boo... is any1 there??? how do i jump tracks?
14.27.22 #       <XavierGr> Bagder: Where is that? Any Links?
14.27.24 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon jump as ?
14.27.42 #       <JdGordon> prev/next track... playlist_next() doesnt seem to do anything
14.28.09 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon look at apps/playlist_menu.c ... should be there
14.28.27 #       <preglow__> B4gder: oooh
14.29.13 #       <JdGordon> audio_prev()/next() ...
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14.29.35 #       <preglow__> argh
14.29.40 #       <preglow__> i was hoping on seeing a zip
14.29.44 #       <JdGordon> any1 know where set_sound() is declared?
14.29.51 #       <preglow__> JdGordon: settings.c
14.32.21 #       <JdGordon> ok, ive done a menu that has prev/next track, play/pause/stop, change volume, shufle and repeat modes, and view/search playlist... anything else i should add?
14.32.41 #       <JdGordon> + im getting some funky warnings :D
14.33.02 #       <Bg3r> btw, shouldn't we rename "Rockbox Info" to "System Info" ?
14.33.17 #       <Jungti1234> yeah, It's not Rockbox's information.
14.33.22 #       <Jungti1234> It's information of device.
14.33.27 #       <JdGordon> preglow__: its not in settings.c
14.33.49 #       <tucoz> how do I access the menu in the x5 sim?
14.35.01 #       <preglow__> right, it's in sound_menu.c, i confused them
14.36.14 #       <Zoide7777> Any news on a playback speed screen now that the buttons are assigned?
14.41.02 #       <Paprica> blah, the link is invalid when i try to close a task on the tracker
14.42.19 #       <LinusN> from config-ipodmini.h:
14.42.21 #       <LinusN> #define MODEL_NUMBER 9 /* TODO: change to 9 */
14.42.25 #       <LinusN> :-)
14.42.31 #       <B4gder> hehe
14.43.53 #       <XavierGr> I think it is time for me to ditch Trillian and start using GAIM
14.44.03 #       <Zagor> Paprica: which link?
14.44.16 #       <Paprica> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/closeform
14.44.24 #       <Paprica> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4872
14.44.28 #       <Paprica> try to slose it
14.44.30 #       <Paprica> close*
14.45.15 #       <Zagor> is it committed?
14.46.05 #       <Paprica> yep
14.46.16 #       <preglow__> amiconn: i don't get why the stereo width formulas look like they do, care to elaborate?
14.46.18 #       <Zagor> closed. no problem here.
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14.46.32 #       <Paprica> wtf?
14.46.33 #       <Paprica> =\
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14.51.54 #       <JdGordon> done!
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14.53.35 #       <JdGordon> LinusN: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4874
14.54.00 #       <JdGordon> and with that.. im going to bed
14.54.02 #       <JdGordon> gnite all
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14.54.29 #       <Zoide7777> sorry to be nit-picky, but should the ipod3g image go to the left of the 4g one?  (in the cvs builds page)
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14.55.01 #       <amiconn> Woo, congrats LinusN
14.55.09 #       <Jungti1234> hehe
14.55.23 #       <B4gder> Zoide7777: the columns in the table are alphabetically sorted
14.55.29 #       <LinusN> amiconn: nah, it's not working just yet, i just let bagder prepare the builds
14.55.41 #       <B4gder> (although some of the texts used for the sort is not shown)
14.56.32 #       * preglow nudges amiconn
14.56.43 #       <Zoide7777> B4gder: ah, ok; b/c with the visible text it would seem that ipod3g comes before ipod4gray
14.57.17 #       <B4gder> you mean in the bleeding table then?
14.57.31 #       <Zoide7777> yes
14.57.46 #       <B4gder> in that table they just get appended somewhat randomly ;-)
14.58.03 #       <Zoide7777> ok, it doesn't really matter :)  i was just being nitpicky
14.58.49 #       <amiconn> preglow: What exactly about the formulas? They're designed to (1) keep the total volume constant for <= 100 % (2) keep the volume mostly constant for > 100% (3) are based on the fact that 'straight' means -1 on the MAS instead of +1
14.58.53 #       <Jungti1234> hahahahaha  http://img.manian.dreamwiz.com/A060201/2006/03/21/125444_1.jpg
14.59.11 #       * LinusN just booted rockbox on his x5!!!
14.59.34 #       * Moos apllauses :-)
14.59.34 #       <Jungti1234> .....
14.59.43 #       * LinusN does the famous x5 dance
14.59.43 #       <Bg3r> cool!
14.59.50 #       <Moos> Hurray !!!
14.59.51 #       <B4gder> a box that rocks!
14.59.56 #       <Zoide7777> good job
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15.00.23 #       <Zoide7777> time to update: 
15.00.28 #       <Zoide7777> "Rockbox is an open source replacement firmware for mp3 players. It runs on a number of different models..."
15.00.36 #       <amiconn> (1<<19) means 1.0
15.00.49 #       <LinusN> the rockbox logo has the wrong colors though...
15.00.54 #       <Jungti1234> hehehehe
15.00.59 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: Congratulations.
15.01.04 #       <B4gder> LinusN: odd
15.01.09 #       * preglow does the new target dance!
15.01.11 #       <B4gder> bad tables?
15.01.12 #       <LinusN> i guess it's because it's for the ipod
15.01.18 #       <B4gder> ah
15.01.48 #       <amiconn> The >>10 and <<9 in the second formula are there to avoid overflows
15.01.56 #       <preglow> amiconn: i'm mostly wondering about the part with the division, but i guess you explained that now
15.02.04 #       <preglow> yes
15.02.14 #       <amiconn> (and the net effect of an additional /2 )
15.02.27 #       <preglow> but yeah, it more or less works now
15.02.34 #       <preglow> i just need to hook it into the rest of rockbox
15.02.36 #       <preglow> it's really bloody nasty
15.02.43 #       <amiconn> Ah, no, in fact that sums up to a total <<19
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15.03.49 #       <LinusN> hmmm, how do we solve the logo issue?
15.03.49 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: The logos are converted with bmp2rb - and configure is using -f 4 for the iaudio x5 (same as H300)
15.03.52 #       <B4gder> LinusN: it should be h3x0 style, if I read the configure correctly
15.04.14 #       <B4gder> and the driver assumes h3x0 style
15.04.38 #       * B4gder was slower than linuxstb
15.04.43 #       <LinusN> ok, so it must be something else
15.05.07 #       <amiconn> Perhaps the 16->18 bit conversion has a bug?
15.05.35 #       <amiconn> Btw, someone should change the USB logo into a BMP.
15.05.35 #       <LinusN> could be
15.05.46 #       <B4gder> LinusN: make a "test logo" with some clear R G B to identify the color problem easier
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15.06.46 #       <preglow> amiconn: in straight numbers the formulas are as follows, right?: straight = (1 + width)/2 for width <= 1.0, 1.0 for width > 1.0   cross = -straight + width for width <= 1.0, -(2*x/(1 + x) - 1) for width > 1.0
15.07.05 #       <XavierGr> wow Linus! Gongrats man!
15.07.06 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Take a screenshot of the logo on target. If the BMP has the correct colours, it must be the 16->18 bit conversion
15.07.24 #       <B4gder> good idea!
15.07.39 #       <amiconn> (since screenshot works from framebuffer)
15.07.40 #       * XavierGr dances the "Gentlemen-we-will-soon-have-sound-dance"!
15.07.56 #       <B4gder> XavierGr: we don't yet :-)
15.07.56 #       <amiconn> preglow: No.
15.08.12 #       <B4gder> ah, it says "soon" in there
15.08.27 #       <B4gder> hubbel said he'd work on the sound for x5
15.08.28 #       <LinusN> can't take screenshots just yet, it thinks usb is active  :-)
15.09.00 #       <amiconn> I'll try to pull the original formula from my fp stuff. It seems you made a mistake when reversing the sign
15.09.16 #       <Moos> B4gder: that sound like a really good news
15.09.25 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Just add a call to screendump() after displaying the logo in main.c
15.09.50 #       <Jungti1234> How do I make bootloader the 'exe'?
15.09.56 #       <preglow> amiconn: which part is not right?
15.10.07 #       <preglow> amiconn: and keep in mind i'm not compensating for mas weirdness
15.10.22 #       <Moos> Jungti1234: just wait a bit, you will know once you will
15.10.23 #       <amiconn> I know
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15.10.46 #       <Moos> Jungti1234: +can
15.10.51 #       <Zoide7777> Hey, could the same type of code that runs the oscilloscope (which kicks ass btw) be used to create a visualization like the one in Winamp?  (bars that rise and fall for each frequency range, but the whole thing stays in one place instead of moving across the screen)
15.10.52 #       <Jungti1234> um?
15.11.29 #       <preglow> Zoide7777: no
15.11.34 #       <preglow> Zoide7777: you'd need additional dsp code
15.11.51 #       <Jungti1234> Moos: I just curious.
15.11.57 #       <preglow> Zoide7777: it's more or less something completely different, only thing they have in common is the fact that they draw to the screen
15.12.13 #       <Jungti1234> I -> I'm
15.12.13 #       <amiconn> LinusN: You can scrap out lcd_roll() from lcd-x5.c
15.12.33 #       <Moos> Moos: I'm unpatient to boot Rockbox on my X5 too, let's hope in LinusN :-)
15.12.52 #       <Moos> @Jungti
15.13.02 #       <Jungti1234> haha
15.13.03 #       <Bg3r> Moos so unpatient so u started talking with yourself ? ;)
15.13.11 #       <Jungti1234> hahaha :D
15.13.18 #       <Moos> haha /D
15.13.58 #       <Zoide7777> preglow: Really??  I mean, of course I believe you, but I'm very surprised b/c it seems that, if anything, the Oscilloscope plugin is much more "advanced"
15.14.55 #       <Zoide7777> just in case, i mean something like this: http://lightning.prohosting.com/~initium/cgi-bin/winamp.gif
15.17.23 #       <preglow> Zoide7777: the other way around, the spectrum view requires either an fft (most commong) or a filter bank for doing what it does
15.17.30 #       <preglow> all the oscilloscope does it draw some samples to the screen
15.18.24 #       <Zoide7777> preglow: you mean oscilloscope just draws amplitude?
15.18.31 #       <preglow> Zoide7777: yes
15.18.38 #       <Zoide7777> ah ok
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15.19.12 #       <midkay> Zoide7777?
15.19.27 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: yeeees? :D
15.20.12 #       * LinusN is browsing files on x5
15.20.40 #       <midkay> haha. hey. :) about the pitch screen.. i committed an update last night that "enables" it for the ipods, but it's just not yet accessible - i only need to add it to the menus.
15.20.50 #       <Zoide7777> preglow: Now, what really surprises me is that the peakmeters seem to be just as demanding or even *more* demanding on the cpu than the oscilloscope!
15.20.52 #       <midkay> so it should be done by the end of today..
15.21.12 #       * XavierGr sighs as he rememobers Linus'es Screenshot from his open H100 showing his music folders....
15.21.25 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: ok, thanks a lot!  I must tell you that it's an *awesome* feature imo
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15.21.49 #       <Moos> LinusN: wee !
15.22.04 #       <XavierGr> oops
15.22.06 #       <LinusN> something is definitely fishy with the lcd driver
15.22.14 #       <preglow> http://bjorn.haxx.se/iriver_display.jpg <- that one?
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15.22.24 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: I was also discussing the idea of scratching with the scroll wheel  (like DJs w/ vinyl)....  :D
15.22.25 #       <amiconn> preglow: Your formulas are actually right (if replacing x with 'width' as well), just written in an unusual way
15.22.52 #       <XavierGr> preglow: Yes!
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15.23.28 #       <XavierGr> I wonder what this little resistor does!
15.23.38 #       <preglow> amiconn: yeah, i do tend to have a more mathematical viewpoint on things like this, x should be width, yes
15.23.38 #       <midkay> Zoide7777, :) one thing.. Linus suggested not having it in sound settings, calling it more of a playback setting - after sleeping, i'm finding myself in agreement - it should show up in the context menu in the WPS
15.23.57 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: makes perfect sense to me too
15.24.20 #       <preglow> amiconn: but apart from that, those formulae look very much like your code to me, i more or less just wrote them straight down looking at the code
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15.24.38 #       <midkay> Zoide7777, that makes it a lot easier to do.. so yeah, expect it.. within.. about 12 hours. :)
15.24.51 #       <amiconn> preglow: Your formulas have the sign already reversed, but not taken advantage of reordering
15.24.53 #       <bobTHC> :)
15.25.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: they're ordered like the code :-)
15.25.23 #       <amiconn> like I would rewrite cross = -straight + width into cross = width - straight
15.25.32 #       <preglow> amiconn: sure, and i'll do that too, when i code it
15.25.33 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: BTW, is there any reorganization of Rockbox menus planned?  I think that, in general, they're a bit disorganized.  For example, The main screen has "Sound Settings", "General Settings", "Manage Settings", "Playlist Options"
15.25.53 #       <preglow> i think we should have a serious look at the rockbox menu structure for 3.1
15.26.02 #       <preglow> there's a lot of potential for improvement
15.26.07 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: it seems to me it would be better to have a "Settings" section and in it have "Sound", "Playlist", "Load/Save" or something like that
15.26.14 #       <Zoide7777> preglow: yeah
15.26.42 #       <midkay> Zoide7777, it's not specifically planned or anything.. but it could be improved, i think..
15.26.57 #       <midkay> i do think sound settings should be outside the other settings for quick access..
15.27.07 #       <Zoide7777> midkay: don't hurry too much w/ the pitch screen :)  it's not like i'm hiring out the devs or anything hehe
15.27.19 #       <B4gder> LinusN: ok, feel free to blame my crappy script ;-)
15.27.33 #       <midkay> Zoide7777, they'll do it if i don't quickly! :) nah, it's just a few lines of code in a file..
15.27.40 #       <LinusN> i always blame your crappy scripts
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15.28.20 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Is there a datasheet accessible for the x5 lcd?
15.29.04 #       <LinusN> amiconn: Renesas HD66773R
15.29.08 #       <LinusN> it's in the wiki
15.29.34 #       <preglow> B4gder: nice to see some work on langv2, btw
15.29.52 #       <Bg3r> so, the button rework isn't planned for v3.0 ?
15.30.12 #       <B4gder> I'm doing the light version of v2 to start with
15.30.21 #       <B4gder> i.e not for plugins
15.30.26 #       <preglow> which should be ample
15.30.41 #       <Zoide7777> the scroll wheel doesn't quite work in the ID3 info screen
15.30.42 #       <preglow> as long as the button assignments are correct in main rockbox, all shall be well
15.30.51 #       <B4gder> yes
15.30.52 #       <Zoide7777> you have to scroll a lot just to move a little
15.32.53 #       <Zoide7777> weird....  i'm pretty sure that Xobox thinks a bouncing ball crashed with me even though it only touched the trail behind me
15.32.58 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Perhaps BGR versus RGB, or trhe order of the 2 16bit writes?
15.34.06 #       <Zoide7777> (maybe it was just my brain that was too slow to react hehe)
15.34.16 #       <LinusN> amiconn: maybe
15.34.17 #       <B4gder> LinusN: btw, we should probably include the actual table-generating perl script as a comment in the lcd driver, could be useful when trying to understand the tables
15.34.25 #       <LinusN> B4gder: yes
15.35.14 #       * amiconn has a table-generating C program
15.35.37 #       <amiconn> ..for the greyscale->RGB values in xlcd_gray_bitmap()
15.35.42 #       <B4gder> seems overkill to do such simple tables with a C program ;-)
15.36.09 #       <preglow> it is, especially when the alternative is perl, sweet perl
15.36.50 #       <midkay> bbl..
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15.40.12 #       <XavierGr> does anyone know how to mount the physical disk of vmware on windows? If that is possible of course
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15.42.02 #       <Jungti1234> Paprica?
15.43.09 #       <Zoide7777> ok, now I am very sure
15.43.14 #       <Zoide7777> the crash detection in Xobox is not working quite right
15.43.27 #       <Zoide7777> it thinks that a ball crashed with me even though it didn't
15.43.38 #       <Zoide7777> it only seemed to "crash" with the ghostly trail behind my moving square
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15.44.13 #       <Slasheri> maybe that is the idea.. little more challenge :)
15.44.20 #       <Zoide7777> hehe maybe
15.44.32 #       <Zoide7777> oh Slasheri btw, how's tagcache going
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15.45.06 #       <Paprica> Jungti1234, yes?
15.45.40 #       <Slasheri> it will be ready when next version of rockbox is released. at least i will try to have some time to do that
15.45.51 #       <Zoide7777> ok thanks
15.46.34 #       <Jungti1234> Paprica: I have idea
15.47.19 #       * B4gder got a svenska.lng file output using v2
15.47.31 #       <Paprica> Jungti1234...
15.47.41 #       <XavierGr> http://chitchat.at.infoseek.co.jp/vmware/vdk.html
15.47.55 #       <XavierGr> for anyone that want to mount a vdk image vmware disk on windows
15.48.07 #       <Moos> B4gder: Congratulations
15.48.23 #       <B4gder> there's actually only one script left to do now
15.48.55 #       <B4gder> and that is the trickiest one
15.49.21 #       <preglow> Slasheri: some time for debugging would be nice too, unless it's bug free, of course ;)
15.50.03 #       <amiconn> B4gder: pls don't commit v2 until I committed my .lang rework
15.50.09 #       <B4gder> oh no
15.50.11 #       <amiconn> I'll work on that tonight, I promise...
15.50.32 #       <B4gder> amiconn: I'll give you all the time you need, I'm not rushing this
15.50.51 #       <Bg3r> XavierGr "VDK is a disk driver, not a file system driver, therefore you can only access partitions which your Windows host can recognize. For example, you cannot access ext2 partitions on virtual drives unless you have a 3rd party ext2 file system driver installed on your Windows system."
15.51.08 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: You can also share a folder from within the vm (with samba if it's linux) and access this share from the host
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15.51.57 #       <amiconn> Accessing the vmdk file while the vm is running is dangerous.
15.53.52 #       <XavierGr> amiconn I know that. I just wnat to edit my files even when VMware is not running
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15.57.18 #       <preglow> Rockbox for the Archos Studio and Player models features MP3 playback that, to many users, sounds considerably better than the standard Archos firmware. <- how is this possible on a hwcodec platform?
15.57.39 #       <B4gder> Archos messed up
15.58.02 #       <B4gder> there's background noise in the original firmware
15.58.06 #       <preglow> from what?
15.58.09 #       <Bg3r> LinusN while working on something LCD related, why don't you take a look at http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4817 , the last attachment
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15.59.06 #       <B4gder> preglow: I'm not sure we ever found out exactly why, we just noticed that Rockbox doesn't have it and the original has and we never researched it fully. At least I can't remember any definite explanation.
16.00.05 #       <LinusN> Bg3r: i think we'll wait with that until the viewport overhaul
16.00.18 #       <XavierGr> strange. I logged once from windows into the VMware machine. Start->Run-> \\debian. Then I entered my username and password. But now I want to log in as root. How can I change the login info?
16.00.51 #       <B4gder> you run 'su' in your linux terminal
16.00.56 #       <Bg3r> LinusN won't this simplify the things ?
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16.01.15 #       <LinusN> yes, but not until we want to do the actual work
16.01.16 #       <XavierGr> Bagder but this won't allow me to see the files from Windows
16.01.37 #       <B4gder> eh?!
16.01.44 #       <B4gder> if you use su or not?
16.02.14 #       <B4gder> you lost me there
16.02.23 #       <XavierGr> Start->Run-> \\debian I can see the files that I have permission not the root ones.
16.02.45 #       <B4gder> you explain very tiny snippets
16.02.48 #       <XavierGr> I know I can see the files within VMware but I don't have a GUI there
16.02.52 #       <B4gder> I have no idea what kind of setup you have
16.02.54 #       <Paprica> Mikachu, the color changes for tetrox is very ugly @@
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16.03.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> B4gder: He's accessing it via Samba, and he's told windows to login as user/rockbox, so he cannot see the other files
16.03.45 #       <XavierGr> exactly
16.04.00 #       <XavierGr> now I want to log in as root. But I can'tfind an option to enter the login screen again.
16.04.24 #       * Paul_The_Nerd has no clue, just speaks "tiny snippets" fairly well.
16.05.20 #       * B4gder sits down and tries to write perl instead
16.05.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
16.05.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: Why do you need to create files as su?
16.05.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: You shouldn't need to be su for anything specifically related to rockbox development...
16.06.03 #       <XavierGr> I want to change my profile to insert my aliases. /etc/profile
16.07.23 #       <bobTHC> use a telnet or ssh session
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16.09.19 #       <bluebrother^> how about ~/.profile?
16.09.24 #       <XavierGr> ack I pressed logoff into cmd and Windows restarted! :)
16.09.36 #       <bobTHC> lol
16.09.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> .bash_profile rather?
16.09.59 #       <Kummer> it's not just the archos. I noticed that ipods (well, my ipod at least) has a lot less background hiss on rockbox than on the original firmware
16.10.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kummer: But it still has the volume tick that drove me nuts.
16.10.47 #       <Kummer> volume tick? on ipod nano?
16.10.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yep
16.11.09 #       <Kummer> I didn't notice anything
16.11.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Dammit
16.11.15 #       <Jungti1234> Paprica!
16.11.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Listen at low volumes
16.11.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Please tell me you hear it
16.11.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Because I'm gonna be angry if mine really *is* defective
16.11.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Angry and vindictive.
16.11.41 #       <Kummer> I've run it down to mute, nothing. And I use in-ear isolation headphones.
16.12.03 #       <cs_weasel> trying here too, can't here it on my 2 gig nano
16.12.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kummer: I can hear it with Senn PX100s pretty well on some songs.
16.12.27 #       <Kummer> if the song matters, gimme one of the songs :P
16.12.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Let me see if I can reproduce
16.12.48 #       <XavierGr> Paul I can hear colume ticks on both H300 and H100 on both firmwares.
16.12.55 #       <XavierGr> Guess it is normal on some devices
16.13.00 #       <XavierGr> ^volume
16.13.08 #       <Jungti1234> http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060322-000151.png
16.13.13 #       <Jungti1234> how about it?
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16.14.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kummer: Of course now I can't seem to trigger it. If I find it again, I'll make note of the song.
16.14.18 #       <XavierGr> Paul: Thanks about telling me that there is .bash_profile for each user
16.14.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kummer: When I took it to the Apple store, they couldn't reproduce it either, and told me if it was too quiet for them to hear, it was "within tolerance" and therefor my Nano was fine.
16.15.11 #       <Jungti1234> hmm..
16.15.14 #       <Kummer> well maybe you could describe it so that I (we) know what to listen for
16.15.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kummer: It's just a faint click for every increment of the volume. So going from 55 to 45, you'd hear 10 of 'em.
16.16.11 #       <XavierGr> Paul: Exactly what I get.
16.16.31 #       <Kummer> hm, sounds like a feature, not a bug. I _want_ some feedback when the volume changes.
16.16.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nah, this is definitely in the "unintentional" category
16.16.48 #       <XavierGr> oh come on you can't be serious
16.17.02 #       <XavierGr> it is a definite hardware design flaw
16.17.13 #       <Kummer> I am serious (I think?). It's not like I change volume very frequently in normal listening.
16.17.28 #       <XavierGr> well yes it is not so annoying
16.17.33 #       <XavierGr> but it is a flaw
16.17.44 #       <Kummer> it's a flaw if you can't turn it off :P
16.17.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, I can't get my iPod to do it right now anyway.
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16.17.54 #       <XavierGr> I couldn't expect to listen to it on both H300 and H100
16.17.59 #       <XavierGr> and now iPod
16.18.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> My iRiver's never done anything like it, except the remote-ticking, which has a known flaw at its cause anyway
16.18.15 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: If you want to change the user info a windows machine uses to connect to a share, you can do so by first disconnecting the network drive
16.18.17 #       <XavierGr> no no remote ticking
16.18.26 #       <Jungti1234> bye
16.18.41 #       <amiconn> There is a network drive assigned (with no drive letter) even if you just connected to the UNC path
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16.19.49 #       <amiconn> In explorer menu: Tools->Disconnect network drive
16.20.14 #       * Paul_The_Nerd looks at a picture of an X5 and realizes it's clearly made for right-handed people, or left handers with very very long thumbs.
16.21.06 #       <B4gder> right-handed with very short thumbs it is ;-)
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16.21.09 #       * Moos is right-handed, but always use is left hand for both iriver and X5 :)
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16.22.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I haven't held it, but it looks like it'd be awkward to use your left thumb for it.
16.22.19 #       <Kummer> it makes sense to use your left hand. You want your dominant hand free for more complicated tasks than simply operating an mp3 player
16.22.41 #       <amiconn> I held it, and I'd say it's made for left handed people, or right handed with ultra-short thumbs
16.22.56 #       <Moos> Paul: the X5 is tiny, you are not need long thumbs, it's just one visual effect cause the picture
16.23.08 #       <Moos> amiconn: haha :D
16.23.21 #       <amiconn> Maybe koreans have short thumbs...
16.23.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'll admit I have no size reference
16.23.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And I have huge hands. (I like the old Large-style Xbox controllers)
16.23.59 #       <Moos> :-)
16.24.20 #       <XavierGr> can I put on bash_profile my own functions?
16.24.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Though I have no incentive to get an X5 anyway. I think I'm just not a fan of asymmetrical designs.
16.25.02 #       <XavierGr> because I got an error when I logged on linux. Saying that my profile can't understand a specific line I wrote. But it worked fine in /etc/profile in cygwin
16.25.03 #       <bobTHC> XavierGr > for u're connection trouble u can try that > http://www.home.zonnet.nl/lothian/NetworkDriveManager/NetworkDriveManager.1.6.beta.03.zip
16.25.17 #       <B4gder> Paul_The_Nerd: the x5's biggest benefit is its form factor
16.25.28 #       <B4gder> compared to the h3x0 that is
16.26.19 #       <Moos> indeed
16.27.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> B4gder: Well, I don't have an h3x0 either, though I hear they're very similar in size to an h1x0 anyway
16.27.29 #       <B4gder> yes they are
16.27.29 #       <Bg3r> Paul_The_Nerd they are a little bigger afaik
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16.38.23 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: Shouldn't the jewels highscore file also be renamed to jewels.highscore?
16.39.45 #       <XavierGr> oh noooo
16.39.54 #       <XavierGr> I deleted my profile
16.40.23 #       <XavierGr> I tried to append data to etc/profile but my vi knowledge made me delete everything there
16.40.42 #       <XavierGr> now I will have to start over.
16.41.51 #       <bobTHC> hehe :wq
16.41.54 #       <bobTHC> ;)
16.42.46 #       <XavierGr> that's why I want to see all linux files within windows
16.42.56 #       * Paul_The_Nerd waits for reports to flood in on the 'bug' that sound doesn't play on X5.
16.43.17 #       * B4gder nods
16.43.30 #       <B4gder> we've opened the gates
16.43.34 #       <XavierGr> Bger: nice ownership! :)
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16.45.54 #       <XavierGr> bye all!
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16.50.30 #       <skwad_> just a question : do I need a patch to flash the rockbox firmware like h300 or do I just need to send the .iaudio in the firmware folder ? it's for x5
16.51.21 #       <Moos> skwad: nothing to flash yet
16.53.44 #       <B4gder> skwad_: when things work, you need to flash the x5 like you do when you upgrade x5 firmware
16.53.57 #       <B4gder> then put the rockbox zip on the player
16.54.02 #       <B4gder> unzip it I mean
16.54.08 #       <skwad_> ok no problem
16.54.32 #       <skwad_> I just thought we would have to patch like h300
16.54.49 #       <B4gder> we should probably do that later on
16.54.56 #       <B4gder> but there's no such procedure just yet
16.55.11 #       <B4gder> the x5 has a more hacker-friendly upgrade procedure
16.56.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, X5 won't support dual boot for the moment? You just replace it with rockbox, for the time being?
16.56.28 #       <B4gder> yes
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16.56.35 #       <B4gder> or rather with the bootloader
16.56.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, yeah
16.56.55 #       <B4gder> since we can always come back to the original upgrade procedure
16.57.22 #       <B4gder> so for the moment it'll work for us
16.58.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Does the CVS bootloader work?
16.58.19 #       <B4gder> no
16.58.30 #       <B4gder> but we're this ---> <--- close now
16.58.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
16.59.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I have no x5, but I'm trying to prep myself in case people ask when more knowledgeable folk aren't around
16.59.21 #       <B4gder> LinusN has booted rockbox on it
16.59.39 #       <B4gder> and browsing files etc works
16.59.48 #       <skwad_> you surely will need that paul_the_nerd ^^
16.59.58 #       <skwad_> ok thx for all this informations
17.00.02 #       <skwad_> have to go
17.00.05 #       <skwad_> ciao
17.00.46 #       <amiconn> B4gder: If the X5 is so brick-safe, I would prefer seeing rockbox in flash for decent boot times
17.01.06 #       <amiconn> That's one of the annoying things about iriver rockbox...
17.01.10 #       <preglow> "annoying"
17.01.13 #       <amiconn> yes
17.01.21 #       <preglow> i think it boots more than fast enough
17.01.27 #       <preglow> couple of seconds and it's on
17.01.36 #       <amiconn> Boots are never fast enough unless they're instant
17.01.47 #       <B4gder> hehe
17.01.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I know at least one person who doesn't think the boots are fast enough
17.02.08 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: he must have loved the iriver firmware, then
17.02.18 #       <Hansmaulwurf> little problem: I try to add a album, lets call it "B" to an existing playlist called "A". at the moment song 5 of album "A" is playing. now if i at "B" to "A" as "next song". the first song of "B", which should be played right after song 5 of album "A" is replaced by song6 of album "B".
17.02.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> He wanted the bootloader to pass a press of the play/pause into Rockbox itself, so that one could resume playback without having to wait for Rockbox to finish booting to press the key, but didn't want to use the "Resume on Boot" feature
17.02.42 #       <Hansmaulwurf> that sucks a bit
17.02.46 #       <Hansmaulwurf> is this bug known?
17.02.54 #       <Hansmaulwurf> happens every time i try it
17.03.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hansmaulwurf: Does song 5 of B get added to the playlist at all? For example, are 1-5 appended after 6-x?
17.05.02 #       <amiconn> Paul_The_Nerd: That's in fact the good thing with rockbox in flash. You can press the resume button right after switching on the unit, and rockbox will catch it
17.05.14 #       <amiconn> Very convenient, works on (flashable) archoses
17.06.06 #       <Hansmaulwurf> yes, in my example, after adding playist "B", my playlist looks like : song1 - 5 of playlist "A", song6 of playlist "B", song 2 - 12 of playlist "B"(the rest of the whole album "B), then playlist continues with album "A"
17.06.08 #       <amiconn> On iriver one has to wait until the bootloader finally decided to load rockbox, found it on disk, loaded it...
17.06.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> amiconn: Oh, I'm not against Rockbox in flash in any way. Though I'm content with the current iRiver method just because I'm a very patient person.
17.06.50 #       <Hansmaulwurf> understand it Paul_The_Nerd?
17.06.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hansmaulwurf: Oh, so it's only one song out of place.
17.06.56 #       <Hansmaulwurf> yes
17.07.10 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i can reproduce the bug with every album i add
17.08.30 #       <Hansmaulwurf> using H120, version from yesterday
17.09.09 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i dont know who long the bug exists, but some weeks ago it didnt exist
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17.11.27 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: the gray?
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17.11.41 #       <Paprica> yep
17.11.42 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: the other changes should just be a swap of the square and the S
17.14.04 #       <Mikachu> we can compromise, keep the color on T if you want :)
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17.14.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The last two changes to playlist.c were the 5th and 9th of Feb. Could it have been that long?
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17.15.30 #       <Hansmaulwurf> could be
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17.16.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu, Paprica: I think using the dark gray for the pieces makes it a bit difficult to see clearly on the H120. I mean, you can see it clearly, but it feels straining.
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17.16.36 #       <Mikachu> i only changed it for color targets
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17.17.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: I was just talking in general, since I wasn't sure who picked that originally
17.18.35 #       <Paprica> Mikachu, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Tetrominoes_letter_oriented.png
17.18.47 #       <Mikachu> sure
17.18.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hansmaulwurf: I'm not really sure where to look to fix this, but either way, have you filed a bug report?
17.19.01 #       <Paprica> i will change the T to brighter gray
17.19.16 #       <Hansmaulwurf> no Paul_The_Nerd, coz i was first asking if the bug is known
17.19.18 #       <Paprica> ok? =]
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17.19.42 #       <Hansmaulwurf> and second i have very strange settings, im playing with them at the moment
17.19.48 #       <Hansmaulwurf> maybe its not playlist.c
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17.22.08 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: ah yes, those are the exact colors i had in my old tetris
17.22.17 #       <Paprica> =]
17.22.19 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: so that would be great
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17.37.11 #       <tucoz> fun, I found the original tetris. http://vadim.www.media.mit.edu/tetris.exe
17.37.30 #       <tucoz> from http://vadim.www.media.mit.edu/Tetris.htm
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17.38.18 #       <Mikachu> the original tetris is for the nes
17.38.36 #       <Mikachu> i think
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17.46.13 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: don't know if you saw but i didn't fix the bug after all :P
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17.53.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sometimes I just don't want to respond to people in the forums... 'I use the european version of Rockbox, v 1.65' *sigh*
17.53.28 #       <Mikachu> uh?
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17.55.12 #       <Mikachu> phaedrus961: you probably know this already but if you scroll to the right in your viewer, the characters are still cut off mid-byte
17.55.31 #       <Mikachu> phaedrus961: but other than that it is better than before
17.56.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Someone said they have the the European version of Rockbox. Really they have 1.65eu iRiver firmware, but I have to wonder how many people still think that since you "patch" stock firmware, that Rockbox is a mod rather than its own fw.
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18.03.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hey, can someone like Bagder sticky the Rockbox 3.0 release schedule in the General forum? It seems like it'd be a good idea. ;-)
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18.21.54 #       <bobTHC> some infos about crossfading and mixing -> http://img368.imageshack.us/img368/4985/mixnfad2xl.jpg
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18.22.27 #       <bobTHC> if someone can add it to the wiki, it will be nice....
18.22.51 #       <nobelium-> very nice yeah :)
18.22.59 #       <nobelium-> btw, what is crossfeed (not crossfade)
18.23.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> bobTHC: You can't add to the wiki?
18.24.02 #       <bobTHC> :)
18.24.06 #       <bobTHC> nah sorry
18.24.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why not?
18.26.25 #       <Febs> nobelium, look at this wiki page:  http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ManualMainMenu#Crossfeed
18.26.43 #       <nobelium-> thanks Febs
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18.27.17 #       <dpro> hi
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18.29.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hello dpro
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18.31.04 #       <dpro> hi paul ... I'm currently toying with the idea of putting rockbox on my flatmates nano ... do you by any chance know how much space arm xedv gcc + rockbox cvs will approx. need ? (my powerbook's disk is _totally_ full, but I could rm some movies ;)
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18.31.42 #       <safetydan> dpro, you don't need to compile it to install it
18.31.46 #       <crashd> dpro: about 30/40mb
18.31.46 #       <dpro> ... then again there should be some space on my asus wireless disk thingie ...
18.31.50 #       <crashd> but as safetydan says...
18.31.54 #       <safetydan> unless you plan on adding your own patches
18.31.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Honestly, no clue. I have the whole toolchain set up with source, so it's quite big for me. But yeah, you don't need to compile to install it.
18.32.02 #       <dpro> but what if I want to ;)
18.32.11 #       <dpro> I have a few hacks in mind ...
18.32.14 #       <Mikachu> my ipod-chain/ dir is 20M
18.32.17 #       <crashd> iirc, the binaries are about 20mb in size, but i could be ludicrously out
18.32.24 #       <Mikachu> crashd: good guess
18.32.28 #       <crashd> heh
18.32.35 #       <crashd> i seem to remember the arm toolchain being 24mb or something
18.32.41 #       <crashd> amazing what cruft your mind keeps
18.32.50 #       <safetydan> wow... 53 meg for arm crosscompiler on i386
18.33.08 #       <dpro> I even need to compile gcc (I'm on debian ppc ..., but there's a arm-7 gcc for gameboy advance lying around somewhere on my disk anyway)
18.33.37 #       <dpro> probably just a matter of changing target and linkscript ?
18.34.45 #       <dpro> hell I'll put the stuff on the ipod, there's still a gig free space ;) 
18.35.41 #       <Mikachu> that version is probably too old anyway
18.35.46 #       <dpro> but from what I gather ~0.5 gig should do the trick
18.36.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, less than that probabl
18.36.04 #       <bobTHC> ezly
18.36.16 #       <dpro> paul: excellent!
18.37.10 #       <dpro> I have that much on my backup partition ... what gcc is recommended ?
18.37.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: My cygwin versions of all 3 toolchains (sh1/arm/m68k) including GDB is about 330mb
18.37.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: For arm, 4.0.x
18.37.26 #       <Mikachu> dpro: it's detailed (somewhat confusingly) on the installation page
18.37.42 #       <Mikachu> it says 3.4.x in big orange text, and further down with small print 4.0.x
18.37.50 #       <Mikachu> (may be updated since i last looked)
18.38.23 #       <dpro> Mikachu: hehe I knew why I'd ask here 
18.38.40 #       <Mikachu> #define VIEWER_MODE_SCROLLBAR (BUTTON_SELECT | BUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_RIGHT)
18.38.50 #       <Mikachu> how the hell are you supposed to press that on an ipod without a friend?
18.39.08 #       <Mikachu> well, it's not so hard after all, but still a funny bind
18.39.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: What does that do?
18.40.21 #       <Mikachu> toggles the scrollbar
18.40.22 #       <dpro> mikachu: should work for mammals with opposable thumbs and 2 hands ;)
18.40.36 #       <Mikachu> dpro: i forgot you can press select+right with one finger
18.41.11 #       <dpro> mikachu: but granted it's an awkward move ...
18.41.13 #       <Mikachu> it's still pretty much hit and miss if you'll change some other setting at the same time
18.41.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I personally *really* hate Left/Right and Menu/Play combos on the ipod
18.41.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'd much rather diagonal combos. Menu/Left, Menu/Right, etc.
18.42.35 #       <Mikachu> well, eventually the viewer plugin should get a menu
18.44.13 #       <Mikachu> it curretnly has 10 keybinds for the ipod (!)
18.44.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I was just stating my distaste for them in general. I don't actually use the viewer plugin. I have a PDA with nice antialiased text and adjustable font sizes and other nice features for such purposes. :)
18.44.41 #       <Mikachu> heh
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18.45.28 #       <hshah> hello all
18.45.57 #       <hshah> TiMiD: i thought you were going to add my wps into the cvs all those many months ago :p
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18.49.54 #       <bobTHC> a little introduction to cue points -> http://www.idc.ul.ie/data/publications/13_brazil.pdf
18.50.36 #       <hshah> i hadn't updated my rockbox in a while, and now ive done so, my volume is funny
18.50.45 #       <safetydan> hshah, how is it funny?
18.51.01 #       <hshah> even when changed to % it still goes between 0% and -89% regardless of the minimum and maximum ive set :(
18.51.14 #       <safetydan> Volume is only in decibels now
18.51.20 #       <safetydan> no percentage scale
18.51.23 #       <hshah> bah
18.51.30 #       <safetydan> 0 is the loudest (i.e. 0 attenuation at the amp)
18.51.31 #       <preglow> the old percentage scale wasn't really percent anyway
18.51.44 #       <hshah> doesn't matter what it was, it was nicer :p
18.51.51 #       <preglow> hshah: damn, you really used an old rockbox
18.51.58 #       <preglow> it's been months and months since we did that change
18.52.06 #       <hshah> yeah - it was from the end of september i think
18.52.28 #       <hshah> over the summer i updated like every day, then once at uni ive been so busy, i just didn't have the time
18.52.38 #       <hshah> so what r the major changes since then?
18.52.44 #       <bobTHC> lol
18.52.44 #       <hshah> whats this party mode about?
18.52.57 #       <safetydan> preglow, I'll be making another attempt to 0.32 format that cordic function tonight
18.53.17 #       <safetydan> hshah, party mode let's you cue songs without any of the other controls work (i.e stop)
18.53.46 #       <safetydan> as for other major changes, what hardware do you have? Colour support is probably the most visible change for h300 series
18.54.21 #       <hshah> h120
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18.54.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Full parametric equalizer
18.54.40 #       <safetydan> oh yeah, I forgot about that :)
18.54.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Grayscale bitmaps in WPS
18.54.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Several new games
18.54.56 #       <dpro> party mode sounds nice, I was thinking about adding pitch change (basic resampling + linear interpolation - yeah yeah tell me cubic is better, but linear is basically a add and a shift)
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18.55.14 #       <safetydan> dpro, there's already a pitch changer
18.55.18 #       <dpro> really ?
18.55.23 #       <dpro> excellent ... 
18.55.28 #       <hshah> interesting interesting... will have a look at all these features later
18.55.31 #       <dpro> sorry I'm totally new to this
18.55.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> safetydan: Man that *really* needs to go into the menu so people know it exists.
18.55.44 #       <bobTHC> dpro, changing pitch affect tone
18.55.59 #       <safetydan> Paul_The_Nerd, the speed/pitch thing?
18.56.11 #       <dpro> so what 
18.56.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> safetydan: Yeah
18.56.20 #       <dpro> bobTHC: so it does on a turntable
18.56.40 #       <bobTHC> not really, test it
18.56.48 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: gray? color works too
18.56.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Color doesn't do much on an H120
18.57.06 #       <Mikachu> ah
18.57.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ;-)
18.57.22 #       <dpro> can't at the moment, but basically you might refer to unwanted lowpoass sampling due to the lack of interpolation when pitching/slowing down ?
18.58.03 #       <preglow> dpro: that's exactly what the current pitch control does
18.58.19 #       <dpro> preglow: what ? interpolate or not ?
18.58.32 #       <preglow> dpro: rockbox already has a resampler (simple shitty linear interpolator), i just enable that when you use the pitch control
18.58.43 #       <bobTHC> yep
18.58.56 #       <dpro> preglow: ok will test this later today
18.59.15 #       <dpro> preglow: than again with table lookup cubic should work acceptably fast
18.59.20 #       <bobTHC> adding a good interpolator can be a good feature like on dj CD player
18.59.28 #       <preglow> i'm planning on improving the resampler some day before 3.0
18.59.31 #       <safetydan> man I had to dig through the wiki to find out how to get the pitch screen up, it really isn't very obvious
18.59.34 #       <bobTHC> :)))
18.59.47 #       <Mikachu> why is there only linear and cubic, not square?
19.00.03 #       <dpro> safetydan: url (so I don't need to do the same) ?
19.00.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> safetydan: I had the slight advantage of being in the channel to see it discussed several times. ;-)
19.00.08 #       <preglow> square is the equivalent of no interpolation
19.00.17 #       <preglow> it's zeroeth order interpolation
19.00.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Hold Play and use volume increase/decrease
19.00.22 #       <preglow> which is a fancy  name for no interpolation
19.00.24 #       <safetydan> dpro, on iRiver it's Power/Play + up or down
19.00.32 #       <Mikachu> that sounds a bit strange
19.00.51 #       <safetydan> dpro, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/KeymapIriverHSeries
19.01.05 #       <preglow> Mikachu: i just got what you meant..
19.01.09 #       <merbanan> preglow: have you looked at the ffmpeg resampler ?
19.01.24 #       <Mikachu> i've never heard of square interpolation at least
19.01.25 #       <preglow> Mikachu: the problem with square functions is that they're not very suited to interpolating, that's more or less the reason
19.01.29 #       <preglow> merbanan: nope
19.01.35 #       <bobTHC> totally Mikachu, thats why a rela variable pitch
19.01.39 #       <dpro> mikachu: there's many schemes but for audio cubic spline usually works best 
19.01.40 #       <bobTHC> real
19.01.59 #       <preglow> for audio doing some proper resampling usually works best
19.02.13 #       <bobTHC> it's can be done even on sh1 device with HW dsp coding
19.02.15 #       <merbanan> preglow: it's supposed to be fast and fixedpoint
19.02.20 #       <dpro> mikachu: lagrange is good for audio because it makes sure you hit the points exactly
19.02.23 #       <preglow> merbanan: then i must have a look at it
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19.02.51 #       <Mikachu> i even know what that is
19.03.18 #       <preglow> looks like it's based on a polyphase filterban
19.03.19 #       <preglow> k
19.04.54 #       <amiconn> Paprica: Imho you should try the grayscale lib for tetrox on greyscale targets. That would be a real plus compared to rockblox, esp. on archos
19.05.16 #       <amiconn> Of course that's not yet possible on the greyscale iPods
19.05.38 #       <preglow> amiconn: would it be hard to adapt the greyscale lib now that timer.c is there?
19.05.54 #       <preglow> that is, i don't really know if it works on pp5002 ipods yet
19.06.11 #       <amiconn> It's quite some work b/c of the different pixel blocking
19.06.27 #       <amiconn> I now have some iPod minis in my eBay watch list
19.06.27 #       <Zoide7777> preglow: don't worry about finding testers :D
19.06.34 #       <amiconn> (silver and blue)
19.07.41 #       <amiconn> Probably it also needs some testing on each greyscale iPod to find the LCD internal refresh rate
19.08.00 #       <amiconn> A test plugin for that is quite simple now the timer is there
19.08.04 #       <dpro> is diskdump in the ipod install dox simply  dd for os x ?
19.08.39 #       * amiconn will get his DSL speed upgrade tomorrow :)
19.08.41 #       <Mikachu> you can use cat if you want, the problem is finding the device node in osx i think
19.08.42 #       <Zoide7777> amiconn: sign me up if you need someone to run it
19.08.48 #       <amiconn> Good news for the build system...
19.08.52 #       <Zoide7777> amiconn: (the frequency thing)
19.08.56 #       <bobTHC> eature and it's named :
19.08.56 #       <bobTHC> "Variable playback speed possible without affecting pitch"
19.09.05 #       <bobTHC> sorry bad paste
19.09.11 #       <preglow> bobTHC: not simple
19.09.17 #       <preglow> people request that all the time
19.09.20 #       <bobTHC> i know
19.09.25 #       <amiconn> preglow: Not too hard either, for mp2/mp3
19.09.39 #       <amiconn> Just leave out/play twice some frames
19.09.42 #       <bobTHC> the m3po do it with a simple sh1
19.09.48 #       <bobTHC> and with the dac
19.09.51 #       <amiconn> Of course the bit reservoir needs to be handled
19.09.54 #       <bobTHC> in fact it's the dac
19.10.01 #       <bobTHC> MAS
19.10.08 #       <preglow> amiconn: 1) sounds like shit, 2) you can't adjust the factor, 3) that works on all codecs, really
19.10.11 #       <bobTHC> sorry, end of the day
19.10.36 #       <amiconn> preglow: Huh? Why shouldn't it be possible to adjust the factor?
19.10.37 #       <dpro> Mikachu: I'm on debian so ...
19.10.53 #       <Mikachu> dpro: then why did you ask osx?
19.10.56 #       <amiconn> As bobTHC mentioned, the terratec m3po does it, with an SH1
19.11.05 #       <amiconn> ...and people say it sounds quite okay
19.11.08 #       <bobTHC> dsp harware coding
19.11.25 #       <preglow> there are a million ways of doing in, and i need to find a method that sounds ok and is cheapish
19.11.35 #       <bobTHC> but we can do it by SW for other codecs
19.11.41 #       <bobTHC> and other devices
19.12.23 #       <amiconn> Doing it in software with pcm requires 2 transformations, too much work for our small CPUs
19.12.32 #       <dpro> mikachu: because there are install instructions for os x and win ... neither I have 
19.13.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: dd if=/dev/sda1 (change for your ipod> of=bootpartition.bin
19.13.11 #       <dpro> mikachu: and genetically osx I thought was a bit closer
19.13.28 #       <dpro> paul: ok that's what I thought 
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19.14.51 #       <preglow> amiconn: well, yeah, you can change the factor, but it'll still sound crap
19.15.10 #       <preglow> that's basically the cheapest way of doing time stretching
19.15.30 #       <preglow> but we probably can't afford to depart too far from that idea
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19.16.04 #       <dpro> preglow: but time stretching is so useless for that, simply up/downsampling with interpolation is what should be done IMO
19.16.19 #       <preglow> dpro: that doesn't time stretch
19.16.24 #       <amiconn> Well, I don't see the fundamental difference between this doubling/dropping frames and the 'true' way of transforming into frequency domain, stretch/squeeze, and transform back,
19.16.34 #       <dpro> preglow: but why would you want that ?
19.16.43 #       <preglow> amiconn: then you don't understand the math behind it very well :)
19.16.49 #       <amiconn> except that it only works for mp2/mp3, and the granularity is a bit rough (perhaps)
19.16.52 #       <preglow> dpro: i don't
19.17.03 #       <dpro> preglow: ah good :)
19.17.35 #       <merbanan> preglow: polyphase kaiser windowed sinc and blackman nuttall windowed sinc audio resample filters, thats what it is
19.18.07 #       <preglow> amiconn: the way you speak of with the freq domain is called phase vocoding and yields drastically better results
19.18.36 #       * amiconn wonders where the fundamental difference is
19.18.36 #       <preglow> merbanan: yeah, i see
19.19.12 #       <preglow> amiconn: the fundamental difference is that the freq domain method applies the transform smoothly across all the samples, where the block based time domain method just duplicates blocks
19.19.23 #       <amiconn> Well, mp2 doesn't fit in this idea, but mp3 basically is audio in frequency domain
19.19.55 #       <preglow> mp3 might work slightly better due to the lapped nature of the mdct
19.19.57 #       <amiconn> Ah, yes, but afaik mp3 also smoothes the transitions between blocks
19.20.10 #       <preglow> yes, what i said above
19.20.38 #       <preglow> for mp2 you'll have nasty phase discontinuities
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19.21.10 #       <preglow> but yeah, if i ever implement it, it'll probably be some semi-cheap psola algorithm
19.21.11 #       <amiconn> right
19.21.44 #       <bobTHC> :)
19.21.55 #       <dpro> now tell me party mode can also "scratch" the buffer using the ipod's clickwheel and I really won't need the soure ;)
19.22.48 #       <preglow> hahaha
19.22.51 #       <preglow> that'd rock immensly
19.22.52 #       <dpro> s/soure/source/
19.23.09 #       <dpro> preglow: shouldn't be all that hard, I'll definitely look into it
19.23.32 #       <preglow> dpro: it won't sit very well with out playback system, so you probably need to do some kick-ass custom coding
19.23.42 #       <bobTHC> party mode , is a good idea, but need, cue point system, loop system (A-B), and variable playback ;)
19.23.47 #       * preglow wants optimised codecs for his birthday
19.23.55 #       <dpro> hehe
19.24.04 #       <dpro> preglow: when would that be then ?
19.24.13 #       <bobTHC> tomorow ;)
19.24.23 #       <dpro> LOL
19.24.32 #       <dpro> next year ? 
19.24.40 #       <Zoide7777> dpro: though as you can see in the irc logs for today/yesterday, *I* trademarked the idea of scratching with the scroll wheel :D  haha
19.24.40 #       <preglow> haha
19.24.44 #       <preglow> june
19.24.57 #       <merbanan> preglow: a new aac codec is in the works for ffmpeg
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19.25.20 #       <Zoide7777> dpro: obviously I would actually be *very* happy if someone else figures out how to do it ;P
19.25.24 #       <dpro> Zoide: I have it in a project file dated early 2005 :P
19.25.36 #       <Zoide7777> dpro: awesome!
19.26.00 #       * Zoide7777 suggested it in the hopes someone else would do it, cause he can't do it himself
19.26.00 #       <dpro> but I'm not the one-click-shopping-patent type ;)
19.26.15 #       <preglow> merbanan: for real? url?
19.26.22 #       <dpro> zoide: it will happen I guess
19.26.28 #       <Zoide7777> dpro: those people should need a patent to exist!!! >:/
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19.27.31 #       <merbanan> preglow: it's in the works, I guess it will be posted to the devel list in a day or to, and for the beginning it will use float, but that might change
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19.30.18 #       <bobTHC> variable speed playback is natively include in the MPEG-4 Audio standard
19.32.57 #       <Mikachu> dpro: there aren't linux instructions?
19.34.08 #       <dpro> mikachu: I haven't found any ... never mind I know what to do now 
19.34.38 #       <dpro> mikachu: go home get cable, go to a party while gcc is building
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19.35.26 #       <dpro> mikachu. but first finish this stupid job here at the office installing all sorts of useless crap on someone's mac ... pecunia non olet 
19.35.51 #       <Mikachu> dpro: ah, it was so simple i didn't even notice there weren't instructions :P
19.36.06 #       <Mikachu> (specifically for linux)
19.36.28 #       <dpro> yeah it's all just dd 
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19.37.04 #       <dpro> I hope my flatmate isn't too puzzled when she finds her nano converted to vfat ...
19.37.16 #       <Mikachu> haha, you don't ask?
19.37.34 #       <dpro> nope she said she had a backup of all the tracks 
19.38.03 #       <dpro> and now it's fully loaded with days of cc licensed netmusic
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19.42.21 #       <bobTHC> http://www.dmc.dit.ie/ditme/index.html
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19.44.20 #       <Zoide7777> what's the difference between chicago and nimbus?
19.45.19 #       <crashd> dpro: heh
19.45.59 #       <Zoide7777> and between nimbus and xtal?
19.47.10 #       <dpro> k, gotta surrender my network cable to the desktop box for a few updates ... cu l8r from home
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20.05.49 #       <webguest41> Chicago: Includes only ascii characters. Xtal-14: Extension of Chicago to include Latin-1 characters. Nimbus-12/14: Slight changes of various kinds to Xtal-14, and downsizing in the case of nimbus-12
20.05.59 #       <webguest41> Not that Zoide7777 is still here, of course...
20.06.19 #       <Mikachu> asking + quit is my favorite
20.06.26 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
20.06.37 #       <Kyomi> I have a question about updating
20.06.41 #       <Mikachu> i especially like join + asking + 2 minutes + quit
20.06.44 #       * Kyomi promises not to leave :)
20.07.02 #       <safetydan> Kyomi, ask away
20.07.12 #       <webguest41> Let me guess: "Do I need to reflash?"?
20.07.18 #       <Kyomi> No
20.07.23 #       <Kyomi> I saw that on the site already :P
20.07.27 #       <webguest41> :)
20.07.50 #       <webguest41> I'll shut up
20.08.14 #       <Kyomi> My question is... when you update with the daily build for the H320... are your settings reverted back to default? Or are they saved somewhere that isn't overwritten?
20.08.56 #       <webguest41> They're saved in an otherwise unused sector on the harddrive
20.09.10 #       <safetydan> Kyomi, you can also explicitly save them out to a config file
20.09.15 #       <Kyomi> And with skinning also... I'm guessing you have to re-select the theme after update?
20.09.28 #       <webguest41> No, same deal
20.09.59 #       <webguest41> Sometimes, however, the config structure code will change, and in those cases, your settings will be reset
20.10.03 #       <safetydan> Sometimes the settings will be reset on update due to changes int the config layout so it's good to export a config file anyway.
20.10.12 #       <webguest41> So saving your settings to a file is a good idea so that you can revert when that happens
20.10.22 #       <preglow> amiconn: 0% stereo width doesn't sound very good
20.10.31 #       <webguest41> There's an echo in here..
20.10.42 #       <Kyomi> Yeah.... :P
20.12.19 #       <safetydan> </echo>
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20.20.33 #       <preglow> anyone here that knows how the archos stereo width and channel settings should sound like that want to test a patch for me?
20.25.50 #       <preglow> http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/swcodec_channel_settings.patch
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20.27.17 #       <webguest41> Oooh, interesting. Don't know how they sound though, so I'm no use.
20.27.28 #       <webguest41> on archos
20.27.33 #       <amiconn> preglow: What's wrong with stereo width == 0? Should sound identical to pure mono, if you made that a special case
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20.28.50 #       <preglow> amiconn: then i have misunderstood something badly
20.29.16 #       <preglow> amiconn: i also thought it should sound like pure mono, but it doesn't
20.29.50 #       <preglow> at stereo width 0%, the straight factor is 0.5 and the cross factor is -0.5 with my code
20.29.57 #       <preglow> the last should of course be 0.5 for ordinary mono
20.30.05 #       <amiconn> yes
20.31.09 #       <amiconn> Oh, and 0x7fffff << 8 is not exactly 1
20.31.39 #       <preglow> amiconn: not exactly, no, the last eight bits will be zero
20.32.00 #       <preglow> amiconn: and it won't at any rate, but you can't represent a 1.0 in s0.31 fixed point
20.32.02 #       <amiconn> Even 0x7fffffff isn't exactly 1, but that won't matter I think
20.32.26 #       <preglow> amiconn: and i'm trying to stick to emac friendliness with no additional shifting
20.33.08 #       <preglow>         cross = width - straight;
20.33.11 #       <preglow> that can't be correct, then
20.33.24 #       <amiconn> For <= 100%, cross should be straight - width, not width - straight
20.33.28 #       <preglow> yep
20.33.51 #       <preglow> fixed it now
20.33.53 #       <amiconn> cross needs to be 0.5 for width == 0, and 0 for width == 100 %
20.33.53 #       <preglow> and it sounds just great
20.35.22 #       <amiconn> Couldn't you just do the calculation in s0.31 directly, since you're already using int64_t anyway?
20.35.23 #       <webguest41> \o/
20.35.44 #       * safetydan curses s0.31 format
20.36.15 #       * amiconn believes it doesn't matter much
20.36.33 #       <preglow> amiconn: i guess i could, but the precision of the 1 would actually end up worse
20.36.49 #       <amiconn> really?
20.37.13 #       <preglow> amiconn: according to my tests, at leaszt
20.37.28 #       <preglow> i got a one value of 0x7feff... something
20.38.00 #       <preglow> i didn't think too hard on it
20.38.10 #       <preglow> i don't think it's got any relevance for the sound anyway
20.38.16 #       <amiconn> Your case SOUND_CHAN_MONO is wrong...
20.38.16 #       <Paprica> mmm
20.38.29 #       <preglow> amiconn: indeed it is
20.38.33 #       <Paprica> someone could check wtf is wrong with highscore.c?
20.38.40 #       <preglow> nice typo
20.38.53 #       <amiconn> ..and I wonder whether using pointers instead of array addressing would be faster
20.39.03 #       <Paprica> i try to use it, but in the save it give me some unknown chars
20.39.07 #       <amiconn> My experience on SH1 is that it's *much* faster
20.39.10 #       <Paprica> =\
20.39.24 #       <amiconn> Didn't compare that closely on coldfire yet
20.39.29 #       <amiconn> No idea about arm
20.40.17 #       <preglow> for arm it should have no relevance
20.40.25 #       <preglow> the ldr and str instructions are equally fast indexed
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20.41.02 #       <preglow> for coldfire an indexed load is 1 cycle slower than an ordinary load
20.41.25 #       <amiconn> Well, on SH1 it depends on the momentary stupidity of gcc
20.41.33 #       <preglow> sure, for coldfire as well
20.41.46 #       <Zoide7777> Hey guys I put together a Unicode (with Simplified Chinese characters) font based on Nimbus 14
20.41.47 #       <preglow> coldfire gcc should of course convert the indexed reads to post-incremented reads
20.41.54 #       <amiconn> Sometimes it calculates the indexing over and over within the loop
20.42.07 #       <amiconn> Other times it uses the indexing capability
20.42.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: i take it you haven't gotten m68k-gcc going on amd64 yet?
20.42.22 #       <Zoide7777> Should I put it on the bug tracker?
20.42.23 #       <amiconn> nope
20.42.28 #       <preglow> god, that is annoying
20.42.29 #       <Zoide7777> or can i just link to it here?
20.42.31 #       <preglow> i really like developing on this box
20.42.34 #       <preglow> but i can only develop for arm
20.42.38 #       <amiconn> I *could* try to compile for 32 bit and install the 32 bit libs
20.42.48 #       <webguest41> Zoide7777: bug tracker I think
20.42.51 #       <preglow> i think i'll go annoy the gcc devs for a bit
20.43.10 #       <amiconn> ...but I don't think this is a good solution
20.43.12 #       <Zoide7777> though bug tracker requires the non-anonymous registration...
20.43.14 #       <safetydan> very silly question... 0xffffffff in s0.31 is... 0.0?
20.43.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: no, it's not
20.43.18 #       * safetydan is having braing trouble
20.43.21 #       <safetydan> brain even
20.43.22 #       <preglow> amiconn: it's probably just a stupid little bug anyway
20.43.37 #       <amiconn> safetydan: it's -0.000<sth>1
20.43.37 #       <preglow> safetydan: -1 
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20.43.41 #       <safetydan> Zoide7777, track is the best place
20.43.44 #       <preglow> safetydan: that is, what amiconn said
20.43.45 #       <safetydan> Zoide7777, tracker even
20.44.09 #       <amiconn> It's -1 / (2^31)
20.44.24 #       <preglow> safetydan: using that as an output format for the cordic?
20.44.34 #       <amiconn> -0,0000000004656612873077392578125
20.44.35 #       <safetydan> preglow, attempting to
20.44.37 #       * preglow pats safetydan
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20.44.58 #       <safetydan> you people and your fixed point... we should just port one of those FPU emulators to Rockbox and be done with it...
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20.45.08 #       <preglow> safetydan: you can use floats in rockbox
20.45.13 #       <preglow> safetydan: it's just that it has no libm
20.45.13 #       <amiconn> Fixed point isn't really hard
20.45.20 #       <preglow> safetydan: and we'd really prefer to not use floats anyway...
20.45.32 #       <Mikachu> how do floats work, emud by gcc?
20.45.35 #       <amiconn> You just have to take care of possible overflows and precision
20.45.38 #       <preglow> amiconn: nah, not really hard, but it always involved more thought than using floats
20.45.47 #       <safetydan> I understand the reasons, just this makes my poor little brain hurt :)
20.46.09 #       <preglow> amiconn: btw, aren't you overcompensating a bit when you're shifting in the division in the archos stereo width code?
20.46.34 #       <amiconn> No
20.47.16 #       <amiconn> The MAS format is s0.19 (20 bit)
20.48.31 #       <amiconn> I shift the divisor 10 bits to the right, which equals shifting the result 10 bits to the left
20.48.48 #       <amiconn> Then I also shift the result another 9 bits to the left
20.48.54 #       <amiconn> ...for a total of 19 bits
20.49.18 #       <preglow> riight
20.49.21 #       <preglow> i didn't think of it that way
20.49.37 #       <Mikachu> fixed point seems a bit like quantum mechanics
20.49.37 #       <amiconn> This partial shifting avoids using 64 bit ints
20.49.47 #       <Mikachu> you don't really have any idea what you're doing, but in the end the numbers add up anyway
20.50.10 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: Imho fixed point is very different from quantum mechanics
20.50.40 #       <amiconn> I can understand the former, but failed to understand the latter (at least the mathematics behind it)
20.51.05 #       <Mikachu> <phi|psi> !
20.51.17 #       * Mikachu does the quantum dance (or does he?)
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20.52.31 #       <preglow> amiconn: i just used the 64 bit version for precision, it probably won't enlarge anything anyway
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20.52.37 #       <amiconn> preglow: Imho the not-quite 1.0 problem is why the MAS uses -1.0
20.52.45 #       <preglow> amiconn: yeah, probably
20.52.45 #       <amiconn> We could do that for swcodec too
20.52.59 #       <preglow> amiconn: but then we'll have problems when we hit 1.0 * 1.0
20.53.05 #       <amiconn> Doesn't really matter if we switch phase, as long as we do it in both channels
20.53.31 #       <amiconn> hmm, true
20.53.42 #       * amiconn wonders how the mas handles that
20.53.49 #       <preglow> i think it'll cause a nasty clip or wrap for us
20.53.54 #       <preglow> depending on emac configuration
20.53.56 #       <preglow> for arm it'll wrap
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20.54.33 #       <preglow> anywho
20.54.40 #       <preglow> the problem with the almost-1 is no problem, if you ask me
20.54.42 #       <preglow> it'll never be noticed
20.54.48 #       <preglow> if anyone notices it, i'll eat my bloody hat
20.54.52 #       <preglow> and i don't even have a hat
20.55.04 #       <Mikachu> i could have a hat sent
20.55.12 #       <preglow> as long as it's purdy
20.55.20 #       <preglow> something with a lot of easily digestible fibers
20.55.32 #       <Mikachu> i think under the circumstances i can promise it
20.55.32 #       <crashd> a hat made of chocolate, perhaps ?
20.55.39 #       <crashd> ARGH
20.55.46 #       <crashd> must remember to stop unplugging ipod with hold switch on
20.55.58 #       <preglow> what's wrong with that?
20.56.05 #       <crashd> boots rockbox, with hold on
20.56.08 #       <crashd> which clears my settings
20.56.17 #       <preglow> ahhhhh, right :-)
20.56.17 #       <preglow> hahah
20.56.25 #       <crashd> pain in the ass ;)
20.56.35 #       <Mikachu> hm
20.56.42 #       <Mikachu> does it reboot when you just unplug it?
20.56.47 #       <crashd> yas
20.56.57 #       <Mikachu> mine only does if i write to partition 1
20.57.19 #       <Kyomi> iPod.... *cackles*
20.57.23 #       <crashd> silence"
20.57.29 #       <Kyomi> What you want is an iRiver ;)
20.57.31 #       <crashd> yeah
20.57.39 #       <crashd> only, the h3xx series and the h10 are discontinued
20.57.54 #       <crashd> so it was either an ipod, or something else which didnt really fit my description of what i wanted
20.58.25 #       <Kyomi> jesus
20.58.28 #       <Kyomi> Are you serious?
20.58.36 #       <crashd> my h10 broke
20.58.44 #       <crashd> and i had to get a new dap from the same store
20.58.48 #       <Kyomi> Well... i guess I'm pretty much out of luck if something breaks ;_;
20.58.50 #       <crashd> yeah
20.59.20 #       <Kummer> get used to it, iPod is gonna be rockbox's most popular platform in time
20.59.34 #       <webguest38> The ipod isn't bad, if you don't need recording or radio.
20.59.38 #       <webguest38> (with Rockbox, of course)
21.00.10 #       <Mikachu> when all 100 million with ipods use them, someone is bound to be able to code something up
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21.00.17 #       <Mikachu> s/them/rockbox/
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21.01.35 #       <amiconn> preglow: Is HD read speed any different on iPod when boosted vs. when unboosted?
21.03.21 #       <Mikachu> does he have a non-nano ipod?
21.04.09 #       <Kyomi> But I...*HATE*.... iPod...
21.04.16 #       <Kyomi> And mostly anything apple related
21.04.17 #       <crashd> Mikachu: does who?
21.04.27 #       <Kyomi> I can hardly stand having quicktime on my computer
21.04.31 #       <crashd> Kyomi: i hate the ipod too
21.04.43 #       <crashd> however, i cant complain when ive got 30gb of music and a stable and decent os on there
21.04.46 #       <crashd> ie: rockbox
21.04.50 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: He has a nano, but the nano uses an ata i/f to the flash
21.04.58 #       <crashd> with a usable battery life, with more to come
21.05.03 #       <Mikachu> the word HD confused me then
21.05.33 #       * webguest38 sees no reason to hate the ipod
21.05.34 #       <amiconn> s/HD/ata/
21.05.36 #       <webguest38> It's hardware. If it works, use it.
21.06.42 #       <webguest38> And it's not like anyone's being forced at gunpoint to install Quicktime
21.06.52 #       * webguest38 doesn't own an ipod
21.06.56 #       <amiconn> I can't say I like the iPod. The form factor is nice, but it's scratchy, has this odd click wheel, and the colours are mostly crap
21.07.05 #       <amiconn> (except the black and silver ones)
21.07.08 #       <crashd> black is all that i need
21.07.09 #       <crashd> heh
21.07.24 #       <crashd> i agree, if i couldnt have got a black one, i woldnt have gone for it
21.07.27 #       <crashd> < shallow ;\
21.07.33 #       <amiconn> I might still get one, with a greyscale lcd to port the lib....
21.07.41 #       <tucoz> amiconn, the mini is not that scratchy
21.07.47 #       * amiconn is watching silver minis on eBay
21.07.51 #       <crashd> heh
21.07.58 #       <tucoz> oh, you turned to the dark side
21.08.01 #       <tucoz> ;-)
21.08.50 #       <webguest38> Well yeah, there are some valid points against it. The scratching being pretty obvious (Video and Nano, mostly?), and the clickwheel being a matter of personal preference, but..
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21.09.33 #       <preglow> amiconn: i dunno,  might test at some point
21.09.48 #       <amiconn> The nano has a physically too small display for my taste, especially for its resolution
21.09.49 #       <Kyomi> But...iPods are EXTREMELY overpriced
21.10.09 #       <Mikachu> i won mine, would never have bought one...
21.10.11 #       <preglow> amiconn: but ok, you think the patch looks fine then? i'll commit if so
21.10.27 #       <amiconn> preglow: I need that info to decide what #ifdef to use for my boost-while-accessing-disk addition
21.10.46 #       <preglow> amiconn: mok, i'll do a large file read test
21.10.47 #       <amiconn> preglow: I think so, though I didn't try it yet
21.11.08 #       <preglow> amiconn: it sounds like it should on ipod, i think
21.11.15 #       <webguest38> Kyomi: Depends how you mean.. with Rockbox, they're mostly on par with similar priced items afaik.. I agree that without it, they do too little for their price.
21.11.21 #       <preglow> amiconn: i'll just commit it, if something is wrong, a minor fix is all there should be left to do
21.12.14 #       <preglow> amiconn: ahh, i should probably disable the dead channel settings code in sound.c first
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21.13.16 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm... anyone know anyhting about steven segal movies?
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21.14.50 #       <amiconn> One build server seems to have vanished...
21.15.10 #       <Kyomi> Anyone?
21.15.10 #       <preglow> Kyomi: i know they're shit
21.15.21 #       <Kyomi> I know that
21.15.32 #       <Kyomi> But I'm trying to find an actress that was in one
21.15.41 #       <Kyomi> I think it was out for justice but I dunno
21.15.45 #       <preglow> the one on the boat? :>
21.15.50 #       <amiconn> www.imdb.com should be helpful
21.15.51 #       <Kyomi> He was in there and in some prision
21.15.53 #       <preglow> heh
21.15.54 #       <Kyomi> I'm already trhere
21.15.55 #       <preglow> but yeah
21.15.55 #       <preglow> imdb
21.16.00 #       <Kyomi> I can't find it there
21.16.05 #       <preglow> then it doesn't exist
21.16.07 #       <Kyomi> I dont have enough info :(
21.16.14 #       <Kyomi> I dunno what I'm looking for
21.16.15 #       <preglow> and you dreamt it
21.16.15 #       <webguest38> preglow: Good point.
21.16.17 #       <preglow> arghhh
21.16.21 #       <Kyomi> I saw it
21.16.26 #       <webguest38> imdb knows everything.
21.16.31 #       <preglow> there's the bloody sound callback function array that needs an entry to the function
21.16.31 #       <webguest38> If it's on film, it's in imdb
21.16.34 #       <preglow> s
21.16.56 #       <preglow> amiconn: we really need to do something about this apps/firmware thing
21.16.57 #       <Kyomi> He was in it and was in a prison undercover to save some judge lady that got kid napped and was going to get the electric chair
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21.17.18 #       <Kyomi> But the actress in there looked asian and the most beautiful eye makeup on
21.17.27 #       <Kyomi> I'm trying to find a pic of it ^^;
21.18.47 #       <preglow> i'll just let the dead code be
21.18.52 #       <amiconn> ?
21.18.55 #       <preglow> a nice reason to fix the problem some day
21.19.11 #       <Kummer> Kyomi it's not clear that the iPod nano 4GB is overpriced. AFAIK all other 4GB flash-based players cost more.
21.19.38 #       <Kyomi> Yeah
21.19.45 #       <Kyomi> Because 4GB suck :P
21.19.53 #       <Kummer> of course one could argue that the unavailability of flash ram is due to apple buying it all up
21.19.53 #       <Kyomi> I'm not going to downgrade from 20GB
21.20.18 #       * Kyomi would rather replace the harddrive in her H320 to a 40GB :)
21.20.22 #       <Kummer> flash is a different category, I would not compare the two with terms like upgrade/downgrade
21.20.32 #       <Kummer> sometimes you really really need Skip Free(tm) play
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21.20.54 #       <Kyomi> Hmm
21.20.56 #       * amiconn sees a flash player as a complement for an HD player, not as a replacement, so he doesn't see it as a downgrade
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21.21.31 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, is it this film? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0297162/photogallery
21.21.35 #       <webguest38> Yeah, they serve two different (but possibly overlapping) purposes
21.21.47 #       <Kyomi> To me... getting a 4GB iPod... and before having a 20GB iRiver... yes.. that is a downgrade
21.21.59 #       <Mikachu> You have: 2GB/(100kB per 8 second)
21.22.00 #       <Mikachu> You want: hours
21.22.00 #       <Mikachu> 	* 44.444444
21.22.06 #       <Kyomi> tucoz: OMG!
21.22.08 #       <Mikachu> that's enough for me, i'm never away for more than a day :)
21.22.09 #       <Kyomi> I LOVE YOU
21.22.14 #       <Kyomi> Thank you sooo much ^_^
21.22.15 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, google loves you
21.22.32 #       <tucoz> :)
21.23.02 #       <Zoide7777> Unicode Chinese font patch added!  :)
21.23.21 #       <Zoide7777> and it's only 14 pixels, so it should be less problematic than Unifont 
21.23.30 #       <Kyomi> tucoz: How'd you find that?
21.23.31 #       <muesli__> cant be censored by chinese government?= ;)
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21.23.44 #       <Kyomi> There wasn't much info to go on
21.23.46 #       <preglow> amiconn: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/swcodec_channel_settings.patch
21.24.02 #       <preglow> amiconn: disabled the sound.c code in hackish way, but i can't see any better ways
21.24.13 #       <Zoide7777> muesli_: maybe with the help of some western companies ;)
21.24.25 #       <muesli__> ;-))
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21.25.14 #       <centos> does anyone know how long it will take rockbox to boot on an ipod 5g?
21.25.42 #       <crashd> a second or three
21.25.51 #       <Kyomi> Yeah
21.25.56 #       <Kyomi> It's EXTREMELY faster
21.25.56 #       <crashd> not very long at all
21.26.23 #       <Kyomi> Although... there was something interesting from when I switched to 1.29K from <somenumber>USA
21.26.34 #       <Kyomi> The speed it loaded increased by like 3x
21.26.34 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, paste this in google. And it's the first hit: prison undercover "steven seagal" judge kidnapped
21.26.47 #       <centos> a second or three? thats really fast. :)
21.27.05 #       <crashd> yeah, it is really fast
21.27.21 #       <Kyomi> Awesome
21.27.43 #       <Kyomi> I wonder why the US version of the SAME firmware didn't include video....
21.28.12 #       <preglow> Kyomi: patents, probably
21.28.21 #       <preglow> Kyomi: or license issues
21.28.23 #       <crashd> cursed video chipset
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21.29.24 #       <Zoide7777> arrggg.... there is a vertical alignment issue with the font I uploaded
21.29.32 #       <Zoide7777> well, i have to go though
21.29.41 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm...
21.29.52 #       <Zoide7777> if someone wants to have a go at it, it's in the tracker (.bdf and .sfd files for Fontforge are in the .zip)
21.29.54 #       <Zoide7777> bye
21.29.55 #       <Paprica> oops, unnecessary line on my last commit
21.29.58 #       <Paprica> blah
21.29.59 #       * Kyomi tries to make a Dark Crystal font from the windows one... but fails miserably
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21.30.49 #       <Paprica> Mikachu, your patch is commited
21.30.54 #       <Paprica> may i close ot
21.30.56 #       <Paprica> it?
21.31.14 #       <Paprica> i dont include the press button before new game..
21.31.36 #       <Paprica> and i wont commit it.. i'll make a menu...
21.31.44 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: that part is mostly because you don't save the highscore yet, and if i want to say "omg paprica i got so and so many points" it closes in 2 seconds
21.32.49 #       <Paprica> ahha =]
21.33.10 #       <amiconn> preglow: Looks like a working solution, although not particularly clean. It leaves an (unavoidable) gap in the array
21.34.07 #       * amiconn wonders whether there are better ways at all
21.34.54 #       <amiconn> The sound setting functions usually deal with hardware. Stereo width is special since it's a hardware thing on the MAS but not on swcodec platforms
21.35.37 #       <preglow> amiconn: yeah, i know what the problem is, but the solution chosen makes it a bit hard to do cleanly when some functions are dsp.c based
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21.36.11 #       <safetydan> hrm... I seem to have a hit a roadblock... how to represent 0 to pi/2...
21.36.20 #       <preglow> safetydan: hmm?
21.36.55 #       <safetydan> cordic needs one of parameters to range from 0 to pi/2 which doesn't fit in s0.31... though I could just rescale it... duh
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21.37.09 #       <preglow> ahh
21.37.14 #       <preglow> well, like i said the other day
21.37.20 #       <preglow> i don't understand cordic too well
21.37.24 #       <dpro> re
21.37.26 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
21.37.33 #       <Kyomi> Oh!
21.37.36 #       <Kyomi> One more question
21.37.43 #       <preglow> if the algorithm actually needs one of the mnumbers to be a straight numerical pi thing, then the 0.32 fixed point thing isn't really possible without hacks
21.37.57 #       <Kyomi> I think the plugin is something like pacbox or something... is that some kind of emulator?
21.38.04 #       <preglow> since what you really need to is pretende 0 is 0 and 0xffffffff is 2*pi
21.38.04 #       <safetydan> Kyomi, yes
21.38.18 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: it's a pacman (and only pacman) emulator
21.38.24 #       <Kyomi> Whenever I try to use it, it just says something like "No ROM files in <directory>" and stops
21.38.33 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: then put some rom files there
21.38.38 #       <Mikachu> :)
21.38.45 #       <Kyomi> Of what?
21.38.49 #       <Kyomi> I have like 8 million
21.38.59 #       <Mikachu> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginPacbox
21.39.00 #       <crashd> you need the Miday Pacman roms
21.39.00 #       <safetydan> preglow, the algorithm is pretty dependent on the sign of the angle around the unit circle
21.39.03 #       <crashd> or similar
21.39.06 #       <safetydan> or at least seems to be
21.39.26 #       * safetydan wonders if we should just use a nice taylor series 
21.39.51 #       <Mikachu> of the first order, sin x ~= x
21.40.02 #       <Mikachu> can't go any faster than that :)
21.40.17 #       <safetydan> ha
21.40.40 #       <Kyomi> Bah
21.41.12 #       <Kyomi> But...I want it to be an ACTUAL emulator :P
21.41.23 #       <Kyomi> That emulates... whatever rom you put in it :P
21.41.30 #       <webguest04> I tried to create the rockbox tagdatabse for an Archos Recorder 20 but there seems to be some kind of a size limitation on it, I only get about half of my songs in the Index. can anyone help me?
21.41.36 #       * Kyomi needs a gba emulator on the H320
21.41.44 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: that will never happen
21.41.48 ***     Saving seen data "./dancer.seen"
21.41.55 #       <Kyomi> Bah
21.42.00 #       <Kyomi> Theres directional buttons
21.42.01 #       <Mikachu> i can almost promise that
21.42.10 #       <safetydan> Kyomi, buy a gba... it's cheap and you can have it now
21.42.14 #       <Kyomi> And the on/button below could be a/b :P
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21.42.21 #       <safetydan> or buy a pda
21.42.24 #       <Kyomi> or the ones on the other side
21.42.26 #       <Mikachu> the cpu is probably just a bit too slow
21.42.45 #       <nobelium> i still think it's slow for GBC
21.42.52 #       <nobelium> aladin sucks there
21.43.07 #       <Kyomi> If it's too slow for that... how can all these other color games and stuff get on it?
21.43.08 #       <preglow> safetydan: might as well just use a big table, then
21.43.17 #       <Kyomi> like that jewels game and the bubbles?
21.43.22 #       <preglow> or perhaps a taylor series with some nice wrapping
21.43.27 #       <preglow> perhaps it's worth a shot
21.43.30 #       <nobelium> because they are coded straight to rockbox
21.43.33 #       <nobelium> and don't use an emulator
21.43.36 #       <nobelium> that's my guess
21.43.40 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
21.43.47 #       <Kyomi> Alright...site question
21.44.07 #       <Kyomi> How can you get a list of all the changes since the last daily build? Are all of them on the homepage?
21.44.33 #       <Mikachu> you can click the all changes since 2.5 link and wait a while
21.45.27 #       <preglow> safetydan: but yeah, if we are to use a taylor series, we might as well just use your old cordic code, imho
21.45.39 #       <preglow> safetydan: they'll both have the same precision "problems"
21.46.03 #       <Mikachu> don't you need quite a lot of terms to get good accuracy toward the end points?
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21.46.43 #       <amiconn> preglow: Seems the build bug for m68k-elf-gcc on x86_64 is already reported
21.46.44 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
21.46.52 #       <amiconn> http://gcc.gnu.org/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=23442
21.47.23 #       <Kummer> I think the all changes since 2.5 link is only updated daily
21.47.38 #       <Kummer> so, it doesn't help in comparing against the daily build
21.47.39 #       <preglow> amiconn: it is, since half a year
21.47.46 #       <preglow> amiconn: and no surprise, the gcc people shows no will to fix it
21.47.57 #       <amiconn> The gcc guys seem to prefer to ignore it.... status unconfirmed although reported 7 months ago...
21.47.58 #       <preglow> amiconn: even though it seems to be a general 64 bit problem
21.48.11 #       <preglow> i think i'll go bug them for a bit
21.48.15 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
21.48.18 #       <amiconn> It happens with *all* versions I tried
21.48.26 #       <Kyomi> When the bootloader loads up
21.48.35 #       <Kyomi> It says Model Name: H300
21.48.40 #       <Kyomi> But..its H320..
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21.48.50 #       <dpro> hmmm something went wrong on my nano ...
21.48.52 #       <preglow> amiconn: yeah, and gcc 4.1.0 has the some problem to boot
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21.49.31 #       <dpro> I installed the nano bootloader with dd (to sda1)
21.49.55 #       <dpro> I put rockbox on sda2 (vfat ipod root)
21.50.04 #       <dpro> now apple asks me to ask for support ...
21.50.17 #       <Mikachu> you probably forgot to set the partition type of sda1 to None
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21.50.58 #       <safetydan> Kyomi, there's probably no hardware difference between a h320 and a h340 (apart from drive size) so they're both called H300
21.50.59 #       <Kyomi> Another question... what does the A-B do when you are entering text? It just brings up the alphabet with some other characters in it and shoves the text area to the bottom..
21.51.01 #       <Kyomi> What is that?
21.51.29 #       <Mikachu> i guess, if you want to enter any of those characters?
21.51.57 #       <dpro> strangely enough fdisk still thinks it's 3 partitions and the 3rd is hfs but I can mount sda2 as vfat ..
21.52.16 #       <Kyomi> Mikachu: But all of those are already on the main screen without pressing the A-B button
21.52.17 #       <webguest04> There seems to be a problem compiling the tag database if it need to be bigger than 4.8 Mb
21.52.40 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: okay.. i don't know how the keyboard input looks on that target
21.52.55 #       <Mikachu> dpro: partition type != filesystem
21.53.09 #       <Mikachu> dpro: sda1 should be None and sda2 should be W95 FAT32
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21.53.18 #       <Mikachu> oh sorry, Empty, not None
21.53.37 #       <crashd> what's the quickest way to rebuild a given plugin?
21.53.37 #       <Mikachu> it won't work otherwise
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21.54.15 #       <Kyomi> It's amazing how much norton screws over your space in my iRiver
21.54.23 #       <dpro> mikachu: so what number would that be in cfdisk ?
21.54.34 #       <Kyomi> I deleted the "norton protected" stuff on the player since I couldn't see it other wise
21.54.42 #       <Kyomi> And my free space shot up to 689MB
21.54.50 #       <Kyomi> From 28ZMB
21.54.53 #       <Kyomi> -Z
21.54.58 #       <Kummer> 0, I think?
21.54.59 #       <Mikachu> dpro: it seems cfdisk doesn't display it properly... use fdisk
21.55.15 #       <Mikachu> dpro: type t, 1, L
21.55.19 #       <Mikachu> and you'll see a list
21.55.29 #       <Kummer>  /dev/sda1             1        10     80293+   0  Empty
21.55.29 #       <Kummer>  /dev/sda2            11       497   3911824+   b  Win95 FAT32
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21.55.36 #       <Mikachu> dpro: p to print the table
21.55.39 #       <Mikachu> dpro: and w to write to disk
21.56.04 #       <dpro> ah I see just no type ;)
21.56.17 #       <linuxstb> dpro: Did you just use dd with bootloader-nano.bin or did you follow all the other instructions?
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21.57.21 #       <sharpe> ah this sucks...
21.57.28 #       <tim66> kyomi: pressing A-B when entering text swutches to morse code input
21.58.18 #       <ep0ch> preglow: i just tried your patch out, its great, except trying to enter "stereo width" option kills rockbox, i guess you know about that?
21.58.31 #       <dpro> I used dd if=bootloader-nano.bin of=/dev/sda1^(only works if there is a partition)
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21.58.47 #       <linuxstb> dpro: That's the problem.  Which instructions have you been following?
21.58.55 #       <preglow> ep0ch: what?
21.59.05 #       <preglow> ep0ch: works like a charm here
21.59.11 #       <preglow> something is obviously using those array entries then
21.59.27 #       <Kyomi> ooo! oo!
21.59.34 #       <Kyomi> Question about RB on H320
21.59.36 #       <tim66> is the menu in the vu_meter backwards (i.e. pressing up goes down, and vice-versa) on all platforms? (I've only got an H140)
21.59.58 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: do you have an interest in japan/japanese?
21.59.59 #       <Kyomi> Is there any hope of charging it with rockbox?
22.00.11 #       <Kyomi> Mikachu: Is it that obvious? ^^;;;
22.00.14 #       <ep0ch> preglow: i can get into the "channels" menu and change the settings, but if i try going into the "channel width" menu rockbox locks up (5g)
22.00.22 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: yes :)
22.00.30 #       <ep0ch> *stereo width
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22.01.32 #       <Kyomi> Mikachu: Oh well :P
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22.01.42 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: i didn't think about it until i saw megami
22.02.18 #       <Kyomi> o.O
22.02.29 #       <Kyomi> That was like... forever ago..
22.02.32 #       <Kyomi> Oh wait
22.02.38 #       <Kyomi> Is that the name I put in for this?
22.02.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I had sorta assumed it from the "Kyomi" name, and the emoticon styles at least.
22.02.48 #       <Mikachu> yeah, in ircname
22.02.58 #       <Kyomi> XD
22.03.05 #       <Kyomi> That used to be my old nick 
22.03.14 #       <Kyomi> But this one is prettier 
22.03.19 #       <Kyomi> And I made it up :)
22.03.25 #       <Mikachu> a bit pretentious :P (megami)
22.03.27 #       <Kyomi> So it's better then just using a word :P
22.03.35 #       <dpro> pizza time BIAB
22.03.43 #       <Kyomi> It used to be Megami no Kourui... but that was EXTREMELY way too long
22.03.48 #       <Kyomi> So I just shortened it
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22.03.55 #       <Kyomi> Then I got bored
22.03.56 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: looking in my edict, kyoumi is a word "interest (in something)"
22.04.00 #       <Kyomi> And now I'm with this one
22.04.02 #       <Mikachu> but not kyomi
22.04.08 #       <Kyomi> lol... awesome
22.04.21 #       <Kyomi> It just popped into my head one day
22.04.31 #       <Kyomi> And I was like ooooo! It's soo cute ^.^
22.04.36 #       <Mikachu> hehe
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22.05.09 #       <preglow> amiconn: do you get the exact same error for all gcc versions and targets?
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22.06.19 #       <preglow> amiconn: i'm talking to gcc devs about it now
22.06.27 #       <preglow> so perhaps someone will actually look at it
22.06.32 #       <amiconn> I'm just trying 4.0.3 as well
22.06.44 #       <amiconn> I'm about to post a comment to mentioned bug
22.07.25 #       <tucoz> Mikachu, I quite certain the original Tetris is not for NES
22.07.34 #       <tucoz> :-)
22.07.37 #       <Kyomi> Alright
22.07.40 #       <Mikachu> tucoz: maybe wikipedia lied, it usually does, i also didn't read the article so carefully
22.07.42 #       <Kyomi> I know someone is going to smack me
22.07.47 #       <Kyomi> But just to confirm
22.08.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "In June 1985, Alexey Pajitnov created Tetris on an Electronica 60" <-- Wikipediat
22.08.06 #       <Kyomi> Updating rockbox... you just copy and paste whats in the zipfile over what you have currently, correct?
22.08.11 #       <tucoz> Mikachu, it is said there that Tetris was made for NES?
22.08.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Yes
22.08.27 #       <Kyomi> Yay
22.08.30 #       <Mikachu> tucoz: it said something to the effect "nintendo made wads of cash on tetris but poor alexei got nothing"
22.08.52 #       <Kyomi> Is there somewhere else to get wps files?
22.08.54 #       <tucoz> Oh, yes. That might be true.
22.09.01 #       <crashd> argh, im such a cretin, why cant i get single plugins to compile
22.09.06 #       <Kyomi> Mikachu: It was true :(
22.09.28 #       <Kyomi> G4 tv had an episode of Icons on Tetris and Alexy
22.09.44 #       <amiconn> gcc 4.x takes much longer to build than 3.x
22.10.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: There are WPSes available elsewhere, but many of them require custom builds of Rockbox to work.
22.10.33 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, it's the exact same error, just the line numbers vary
22.10.35 #       <preglow> amiconn: seems they're just telling me to file a new bug report... they say the one you linked to isn't a full one
22.11.35 #       <Kyomi> Paul_The_Nerd: Bargh
22.12.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Blame them. They want to use features rockbox doesn't have yet, and will end up having to remake their WPSes several times as the patches change forms before being accepted.
22.12.43 #       <Kyomi> ha
22.12.49 #       <amiconn> preglow: I just added my comment...
22.12.51 #       <Kyomi> I wanna make something....
22.13.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> kyomi: Well, everything currently supported is explained here: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS
22.13.27 #       <dpro> ok now I'm starting from scratch ... 
22.13.52 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: if you want to make a wps you probably want to get a simulator build working
22.14.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: they seem to be anxious to see the preprocessed source
22.14.03 #       <Mikachu> that way you don't have to copy it over to your player each time to try new changes
22.14.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin, then run the steps that use the ipod_fw tool, then you'll eventually end up with rockboot.bin, which is what you dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sda1
22.14.19 #       <amiconn> preglow: Why? It's their own source...
22.14.20 #       <Kyomi> I wish there was a way to tell mIRC to open links with firefox without setting firefox as the main browser
22.14.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why don't you want to set FF as the main browser?
22.14.53 #       <preglow> amiconn: god knows
22.14.59 #       <amiconn> How would I do that?
22.15.03 #       <Mikachu> why do you want to use mIRC?
22.15.13 #       <preglow> amiconn: http://gcc.gnu.org/bugs.html
22.15.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: I decided that question was of secondary importance. ;-)
22.15.34 #       <Mikachu> hehe
22.15.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Although there are those who would scoff at my client of choice as well
22.15.59 #       <Mikachu> hoho, i am one of them
22.16.05 #       <Mikachu> but i will hold back on the scoffing
22.16.26 #       <linuxstb> dpro: You were looking for Linux instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot 
22.16.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oh man, I forgot all about those instructions.
22.16.51 #       <Mikachu> why aren't those linked at the main ipod install page? or are they?
22.17.00 #       <Mikachu> oh, they are :)
22.17.07 #       <dpro> good to have handy now I'm partitioning from scratch
22.17.11 #       * Mikachu hides in the origo
22.17.21 #       <amiconn> preglow: And how do they think one should know where to add -save-temps ? I'm not the one who wrote gcc or the build system, so how could I proceed?
22.17.25 #       <dpro> how bit should sda1 get ? (firmware partition)
22.17.33 #       <dpro> s/bit/big/
22.17.33 #       <linuxstb> dpro: You can't partition from scratch - you need a working ipod to start from.
22.17.33 #       * amiconn wonders whether this is deliberate
22.17.42 #       <dpro> too late 
22.17.51 #       <Kummer> they are linked from the main ipod page, but it's not clear that the page contains linux instructions
22.18.01 #       <linuxstb> dpro: Do you have access to a Mac?
22.18.02 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: Do you know whether ata read speed on iPod depends on the boost state?
22.18.05 #       <preglow> amiconn: just pasting the compiler command and adding the flag should do, no?
22.18.22 #       <Mikachu> dpro: it doesn't matter a lot, as long as it's big enough, maybe end at 10 cylinders
22.18.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Changed it to clarify that page is also installation instructions.
22.18.31 #       <Mikachu> dpro: that is the default i think
22.18.47 #       <amiconn> preglow: Where? The command is given is some obscure makefile within the gcc source tree...
22.19.03 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: No, I don't know.  And cpu boosting doesn't work on the 4g.
22.19.12 #       <amiconn> hmpf
22.19.22 #       <preglow> amiconn: i mean you see the command just above where gcc crashes
22.19.29 #       <preglow> amiconn: just copy that and run it again with the added flag
22.19.32 #       <webguest04> Do we have any Tagdatbase expertise online?
22.19.55 #       <Bagder> webguest04: I doubt there exists any
22.20.18 #       <Bagder> at all I mean
22.20.44 #       <webguest04> Oh do you know if there is a size limit, I have 9000 songs
22.21.00 #       <Bagder> I know there is no size limit
22.22.29 #       <webguest04> It bales out half way through the compile, but the 4.8 Mb file I end up with works except it doesn't have 1/2 my songs in it
22.22.29 #       <Kyomi> There is a size limit...but you can set it
22.22.38 #       <Kyomi> At least on my version of it (H320)
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22.22.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest04: People frequently have problems with the tool. I've heard of it doing that for other people too
22.23.02 #       <webguest04> I've got an Archos Recorder V1
22.23.06 #       <Bagder> webguest04: its unmaintained and buggy
22.23.16 #       <preglow> amiconn: btw, you can't build the sh compiler either, can you?
22.23.22 #       <amiconn> I can, and have
22.23.24 #       <Bagder> if you want it to work, you prolly need to fix it yourself
22.23.42 #       <preglow> amiconn: right, i thought you said you couldn't
22.24.10 #       <amiconn> There was a 64 bit problem in uclpack, making me unable to build archos targets
22.24.16 #       <amiconn> Not a gcc problem
22.24.19 #       <amiconn> I fixed that
22.24.21 #       <preglow> ahh, right
22.24.32 #       <Mikachu> okay, added a new bug for the bubbles stack bug
22.24.55 #       <amiconn> Then there's still that (imho silly) gcc 4.x design decision making it impossible to build archos rockbox with gcc 4.x
22.25.08 #       <amiconn> I reported that quite some time ago
22.25.08 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
22.25.25 #       <Kyomi> Does anyone know if it would ever happen that rockbox supports SID?
22.25.33 #       <amiconn> Okay, now I have libgcc2.i, let me copy & post that
22.25.37 #       <crashd> Kyomi: doesnt DUMB support it?
22.25.42 #       <Kyomi> Or maybe have a plugin that can play it?
22.25.45 #       <Kyomi> DUMB?
22.25.49 #       <crashd> i could well be wrong tho ;\ maybe it only supports mod, scream trackers and xi
22.25.51 #       <crashd> umm
22.25.58 #       <Bagder> Kyomi: if you write the code chances or bigger
22.25.58 #       <preglow> amiconn: that'll never be fixed
22.25.58 #       <Kyomi> o.O
22.26.01 #       <crashd> module/tracker player
22.26.11 #       <Bagder> are bigger even
22.26.12 #       <Kyomi> I have all of those on my H320 :P
22.26.14 #       <crashd> that's been commited into rockbox, but isnt currently working
22.26.21 #       <crashd> not sure what the state of it is tho
22.26.22 #       <Kyomi> SID/mod/scream trackers
22.26.22 #       <amiconn> preglow: Why not?
22.26.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Basically, rockbox is open source so it *could* happen that it'll support nearly anything, it just depends on someone taking the steps to make it happen.
22.26.38 #       <dpro> grrr damn .. I bricked it ... gotta get a pc-fdisk (debian ppc uses a mac-fdisk by default it seems)
22.26.52 #       <crashd> Kyomi: maybe one of the guys in here will know what the deal is ;)
22.27.04 #       <webguest04> Guess I'll get busy fix the Tag limits myself then Thanks
22.27.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Reformatting bricks it no matter what. The firmware partition gets destroyed, and you need the apple restore tool to remake it.
22.27.16 #       <preglow> amiconn: well, you saw the attitude of the ones that even cared to respond to the bug?
22.27.21 #       <preglow> amiconn: we're in error, not them, etc
22.27.22 #       <Bagder> webguest04: what tool did you use?
22.27.29 #       <preglow> amiconn: btw, did you try to build arm-elf with 4.1?
22.27.33 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, sidplay is unfortunatley written in C++ and needs quite some work to get into the rockbox architecture
22.27.41 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, didn't work
22.27.48 #       <preglow> amiconn: do you remember the bug?
22.27.54 #       <preglow> right here it seems like it's a configure probløem
22.28.06 #       <amiconn> Some undeclared function iirc
22.28.17 #       <dpro> paul: strangely enough I backuped the mbr/partition map  and rewriting it doesnt help
22.28.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Yeah, but it's the actual data in that first partition that must be present for the ipod to boot.
22.28.51 #       <Kummer> arm-elf-gcc 4.0.3 works fine on x86_64
22.29.03 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, and Dumb (mod library) is building in rockbox, but nothing more than that. It's using float values, and will most certainly be changed to fixed point to be usable
22.29.08 #       <linuxstb> dpro: Do you have access to a Mac?
22.29.22 #       <preglow> amiconn: right, just got configure complaining that my gcc can't compile executable objects... which i know
22.29.45 #       <dpro> ah ok ... looks better now
22.29.51 #       <webguest04> The proceedure that was recommended using songdb.jar and makedbj.bat
22.30.07 #       <Bagder> webguest04: try the perl version and see
22.30.15 #       <Bagder> I don't recommend the java version
22.30.27 #       <amiconn> preglow: Really? I'll retry...
22.30.44 #       <webguest04> Ok, I'll have to lookinto getting PERL setup then
22.30.50 #       <amiconn> Attached the file to bug report
22.31.02 #       <dpro> ok so again .. now I have only sda2 fat32 formatted, how how to get the rockbox bootloader there ?
22.31.08 #       <crashd> Kyomi: i want chiptunes too ;)
22.31.30 #       <Kummer> the bootloader belongs on sda1
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22.32.15 #       <dpro> there's no sda1 at the moment, what type to choose for sda1 ? (if I dd the bootloader to sda I trash the partition map)
22.32.25 #       <Kummer> 0 Empty
22.32.32 #       <Mikachu> dpro: that's what i told you before...
22.32.40 #       <dpro> cfdisk hates that 
22.32.45 #       <Kyomi> crashd: I have the entire HVSC on my H320 just waiting to play them :P
22.32.47 #       <Kummer> use fdisk
22.32.49 #       <dpro> ends up being linux if I choose 0 for the type
22.32.53 #       <Mikachu> dpro: i also told you not to use cfdisk
22.33.00 #       <dpro> fdisk is mac fdisk on linux ppc
22.33.10 #       <crashd> Kyomi: get coding then :)
22.33.11 #       <dpro> it doesn't see any map
22.33.18 #       <Kyomi> So.. just to clear up... there is NO way to play SID/S3M/MOD tunes atm?
22.33.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Not at the moment, no
22.34.41 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, there is a patch at the tracker that could be used to take the DUMB port further
22.35.19 #       <tucoz> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2793
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22.35.22 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: not other than converting to mp3/ogg/etc first
22.35.41 #       <tucoz> I don't think it will apply cleanly though
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22.36.42 #       <preglow> amiconn: ok, andrew pinski says he'll have a look at it during the week
22.36.42 #       * dpro is ./configuring pd-fdisk 
22.36.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> tucoz: Reading the description, I'm almost certain it won't.
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22.37.45 #       <tucoz> Thats why I wrote the disclaimer ;-)
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22.38.23 #       <amiconn> preglow: I'm just retrying arm-elf-gcc 4.1.0
22.38.43 #       <preglow> amiconn: i've solved my problem, so lets see if you've got the same
22.39.27 #       <amiconn> Building gcc throws a ton of warnings...
22.41.06 #       <amiconn> checking for C compiler default output file name... configure: error: C compiler cannot create executables
22.41.14 #       <preglow> yep
22.41.17 #       <preglow> exactly
22.41.22 #       <preglow> libssp does not like to be cross compiled
22.41.22 #       <amiconn> Strange...
22.41.26 #       <preglow> --disable-libssp
22.41.37 #       <preglow> and you'll have shiny new 4.1.0 cross compiler
22.41.40 #       <Kyomi> tucoz: You can apply patches yourself?
22.41.44 #       <amiconn> What does libssp do?
22.41.49 #       <Kyomi> tucoz: And how do you do that? ^^;
22.41.50 #       <preglow> amiconn: stack smashing protection
22.41.53 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, yes. Anyone can do that
22.41.57 #       <amiconn> hmm.
22.42.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: in other words, nothing relevant
22.42.09 #       <amiconn> Did you try sh-elf-gcc 4.1.0, or m68k-elf-gcc 4.1.0 ?
22.42.11 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, download source, apply patch, compile
22.42.15 #       <preglow> amiconn: nope
22.42.20 #       * amiconn tries
22.42.21 #       <preglow> amiconn: i can now, though
22.42.24 #       <preglow> ok
22.42.30 #       <Kyomi> Yeah... you lost me at compile
22.42.34 #       <Kyomi> compile with what?
22.42.35 #       <amiconn> Each of us could try one of them
22.42.50 #       <Kummer> Kyomi: with what amiconn and preglow are discussing now
22.42.57 #       <crashd> Kyomi: as tucoz and Paul_The_Nerd said, i doubt that the DUMB patch will patch neatly against current cvs
22.43.04 #       <crashd> but, you could try, and then try hand patching the rejects
22.43.05 #       <crashd> O.o
22.43.16 #       <crashd> looks to be a fairly big diff tho
22.43.23 #       <dpro> ok let's see ....
22.43.34 #       <dpro> rebooting after sync ...
22.44.02 #       <Kyomi> Yeah umm
22.44.22 #       <Kyomi> I have NO... and I stress that part.. idea about how this thing is coded or what to do or anything :P
22.44.23 #       <dpro> nope ...
22.44.26 #       <tucoz> Kyomi, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling
22.44.30 #       <Kyomi> Unless it's in java ^^;
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22.44.50 #       <Kyomi> I know random bits of C that I've mostly forgotten from messing with MUD code
22.45.28 #       <Kyomi> And what is this DUMB patch?
22.45.34 #       <Kyomi> And why did they name it that ;_;
22.45.58 #       <crashd> hehe, DUMB is the library for playing various tracker/chiptune formats
22.46.35 #       <amiconn> preglow: Btw, what also doesn't work is building an x86_64 crosscompiler on i686
22.46.44 #       <ep0ch> DUMB - Dynamic Universal Music Bibliotheque
22.47.13 #       <amiconn> (That was one of my desparate attempts to get m68k-elf-gcc compiled for x86_64)
22.47.50 #       <amiconn> I wanted to crosscompile the crosscompiler, but already failed in the first step
22.47.54 #       <Mikachu> i didn't know bibliotheque was used in english
22.48.10 #       <dpro> that's what my partitiontable looks like now: http://powerlesspointless.com/ipod.txt
22.48.45 #       <dpro> dd'ed bootloader to sda1 unzipped rockbox to sda2 ... nada 
22.49.08 #       <Mikachu> dpro: you didn't forget to press w?
22.49.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: You've kept the old bootpartition.bin and and using that to make the bootloader?
22.49.45 #       <dpro> nono that's what I see replugging the ipod and looking with fdisk
22.49.50 #       <preglow> amiconn: wouldn't know anything about that one
22.49.55 #       <Mikachu> okay
22.50.06 #       <Mikachu> then it's something else
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22.50.34 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: if you say gaim irc fast it sounds like gay mirc
22.50.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Just couldn't resist in the end, could you? Hehehe. I just like having all of my messaging unified in one program.
22.51.04 #       <Mikachu> :P
22.51.05 #       <dpro> paul: nope I'm afraid but it was in a weird state anyway ... kind of half converted to vfat 
22.51.12 #       <Mikachu> sorry, it was still at the bottom in my status window :P
22.51.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: Well, you can't just dd the bootloader over
22.51.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: It's designed to be merged with the apple_os.bin you extract from bootpartition.bin by using the ipod_fw utility
22.51.41 #       <Mikachu> dpro: you ran ipod_fw and all that correctly?
22.51.53 #       <Mikachu> what he said
22.52.05 #       <dpro> nope classic chair keyboard problem
22.52.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
22.52.17 #       <dpro> I thought I'd _replace_ the bootloader
22.52.21 #       <Mikachu> dpro: i like your pear2pear picture
22.52.26 #       <dpro> thx
22.52.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: One thing you *can* do is create a small dummy file, and merge it with the bootloader, though I don't remember the slight different the command needed
22.52.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Are you present?
22.53.25 #       <Mikachu> dpro: you want to boot apples firmware when you transfer files...
22.53.30 #       <dpro> ipod_fw is a os x binary ... where to get the source ?
22.53.47 #       <Kummer> it comes with rockbox. on linux you have to build it.
22.53.48 #       <dpro> Mikachu: I can just mount it that's ok 
22.53.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: If you use dd to create a 1024 byte empty file dummy.bin (or create one some other way) and then use the ipod_fw with -l where the -i is currently, (that's lowercase L) I believe it'll work.
22.54.03 #       <dpro> ok cvs or subversion what's preferred ?
22.54.05 #       <Mikachu> dpro: the source is in the cvs tree
22.54.25 #       <Mikachu> dpro: yes but you need to be running apple to be able to mount it unless you use emergency disk mode
22.54.33 #       <Mikachu> dpro: and edm is 10000000x slower than apple
22.55.22 #       <sharpe> wonderful wonderful wonderful.
22.55.45 #       <preglow> amiconn: is it possible something other than a hole in the array occurs in my sound.c patch? it crashes when i enter stereo width now...
22.56.02 #       <preglow> even though that particular entry shouldn't be accessed anymore
22.56.04 #       <amiconn> huh?
22.56.07 #       <dpro> chechin' out
22.56.12 #       <Kummer> dpro if you followed "Step 1 - Compile the bootloader" on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodBoot then ipod_fw should be built already in rockbox/tools/
22.56.32 #       <dpro> mikachu: I use usb 1.0 ... can't get any slower
22.56.53 #       <Mikachu> okay
22.57.03 #       <Mikachu> haven't done any tests with 1.0
22.58.42 #       <PhR3aK> what about the bootloader for the x5? how far is the development?
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22.59.07 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: I am now.
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23.00.14 #       <preglow> amiconn: sound_default still uses it...
23.00.17 #       <Bagder> PhR3aK: a few days away 
23.00.19 #       <Kyomi> You know what?
23.00.20 #       <preglow> arghh
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23.00.38 #       <Kyomi> I think the government should just buy everyone in the US an alienware PC 
23.00.38 #       <safetydan> argrhrg
23.00.48 #       <PhR3aK> just a few days? really?
23.01.03 #       <preglow> amiconn: so i can't remove the table entry, which in turn means i can't remove the functions
23.01.03 #       <Kyomi> Then everyone take it to a computer shop to get all of the monitoring software and crap off of it :P
23.01.06 #       <Bagder> PhR3aK: linus booted rockbox today on his x5
23.01.12 #       <Bagder> no sound yet though
23.01.14 #       <preglow> that is, i CAN make the tables point to NULL....
23.01.31 #       <PhR3aK> great! :)
23.01.34 #       <amiconn> preglow: Building sh-elf-gcc 4.1.0 fails with the same error as arm-elf-gcc. m68k-elf-gcc fails at the usual place, which obviously happens before the libssp one
23.01.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I don't think my question matters any more. :)
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23.04.54 #       <preglow> amiconn: i just let the function stubs stay, and removed the contents instead
23.05.05 #       <preglow> very elegant
23.05.27 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes you can. sound_default(), sound_min() and sound_max() only need the values. The function pointers canb be NULLed if you make sure they're never called
23.06.49 #       <preglow> amiconn: i'm not up to assuring that right now, i still have a couple of bugs to fix before i'll call it a night'
23.06.57 #       <preglow> namely the wav adpcm bug and the voice ui crash
23.07.06 #       <dpro> paul: ok that one I can try to dd now ? 
23.07.31 #       <preglow> both of which elude me completely at the moment
23.07.36 #       * amiconn is supposed to work on english.lang :/
23.08.00 #       * Kyomi should probably work on physics.homework
23.08.18 #       <dpro> yippieeee rockbox booting ... now for some music files
23.08.21 #       <dpro> thx guys ;)
23.08.23 #       <dpro> *phew*
23.09.26 #       <PhR3aK> thx Bagder, really good news ;)
23.10.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: If you used the dummy.bin method, you can't dual boot into apple firmware. I hope you can survive the shorter boot times
23.10.19 #       <Kyomi> lol
23.10.41 #       <Kyomi> Just how exactly does it boot so quick?
23.11.29 #       <dpro> paul: hehe I guess I can for now
23.11.57 #       <dpro> paul: and if I should ever feel bad about it I can patch rockbox to do some waiting 
23.13.25 #       <dpro> so now for the arm-gcc 
23.14.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Well, in the iRiver's case, I think their firmware does some really slow database and file tree scanning stuff every time you boot.
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23.16.18 #       <Kyomi> It's that IDV3 tag info option isn't it?
23.16.29 #       <Kyomi> Oh 
23.16.30 #       <Kyomi> Right
23.16.36 #       <Kyomi> Another question I remembered from today
23.16.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Even with that disabled the iRiver firmware boots slow.
23.16.49 #       <Mikachu> did they make them before the cache was invented?
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23.17.20 #       <Kyomi> With my H320 with the "normal" firmware.. when you would play a song the navi button would bring you to the file that is playing
23.17.25 #       <Kyomi> Is there a way to do that in RB?
23.17.33 #       <Kyomi> I tried but it just goes back to the root folder
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23.17.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: There's a "Follow Playlist" option, though I don't remember where
23.17.51 #       <Kyomi> Oh
23.18.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> My memory is unfortunately horrible
23.18.12 #       <Kyomi> I thought that meant it would follow the current playlist you wanted to play
23.18.27 #       <Kyomi> I'm so happy playlists actually WORK now
23.18.41 #       <Kyomi> H320 said it supported them... never could get them to work
23.18.52 #       <Kyomi> Even sent them an email about... never got a reply
23.19.00 #       <dpro> syncing, unmounting, trying ...
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23.20.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: Well, what "Follow Playlist" does is, when you go back to the file browser you'll be at whatever song the playlist was at when you left the WPS
23.21.02 #       <Kyomi> Oh.. cool D:
23.21.05 #       <Kyomi> :D*
23.21.18 #       <dpro> one last thing ... how to get to the pitch change thing agsain ?
23.21.29 #       <dpro> s/agsain/again/
23.22.53 #       <Mikachu> you've been there before?
23.22.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpro: On iPods I'm not entirely sure it's possible to get to it yet... on others it's hold play and increase/decrease the volume... But holding play turns off the ipod, so I'm not so sure...
23.23.08 #       <Mikachu> it's not bound in the wps on ipods
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23.23.39 #       <dpro> ah ic ... so that's my project for tomorrow ;)
23.24.22 #       <Kyomi> Hmmm
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23.24.28 #       <Kyomi> Think pitch thingy is on h320?
23.24.40 #       <Mikachu> i can check
23.24.49 #       <Kyomi> k
23.25.08 #       <Kyomi> And why does my battery percentage increase when I use it?
23.25.18 #       <Mikachu> #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == RECORDER_PAD || CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H100_PAD \
23.25.18 #       <Mikachu>     || CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_H300_PAD
23.25.18 #       <Mikachu>             case BUTTON_ON | BUTTON_REPEAT:
23.25.27 #       <Mikachu> so that means hold down the on button for a second or so
23.25.28 #       <Mikachu> i guess
23.25.28 #       * preglow does a 4.1.0 test
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23.25.41 #       <Kyomi> It'll be at like... 88 then go to 90
23.25.42 #       <BoD[]> Hello!
23.25.44 #       <preglow> ooh, a new warning 4.0 didn't see
23.25.45 #       <Kyomi> HI
23.26.28 #       <BoD[]> Hey ... I'm trying to use the %c(...)c tag in the wps... it doesn't seem to work
23.26.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: The battery % isn't perfectly accurate, as the hardware itself that reads the battery isn't, so sometimes it'll read slightly higher than it did at last look.
23.26.36 #       <Mikachu> preglow: what is it, warning: variable initialized while full moon?
23.26.39 #       <preglow> wow
23.26.43 #       <preglow> it shaved off 4k on rockbox.ipod
23.26.43 #       <BoD[]> is it a known bug?
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23.27.02 #       <preglow> Mikachu: warning: variable initialised error goat slaughter
23.27.07 #       <Kyomi> lol
23.27.11 #       <Mikachu> ah, that one
23.27.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: What exactly is your %cblahc line?
23.27.25 #       <Mikachu> i accidentally had correct grammar in mine
23.27.34 #       <Mikachu> actually maybe i didn't so much
23.27.40 #       <Kyomi> lol
23.27.42 #       <preglow> Mikachu: after that gcc goes tsr and says 'KEKEKEKE ^_^' for every command you type
23.27.47 #       <BoD[]> Paul_The_Nerd: %cYc
23.27.53 #       <Mikachu> oh no, not KEKEKEKE :(((((
23.27.54 #       <Kyomi> lmao
23.28.02 #       <Mikachu> i laughed so much when i played megaman zero 2
23.28.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Bod[]: Hm. And what do you get as output?
23.28.16 #       <BoD[]> and it displays : "C"
23.28.18 #       <Mikachu> and got to maybe the third boss, and he actually says KEKEKEKEKEKEKE
23.28.27 #       <Mikachu> i think i didn't stop laughing for 10 minutes or so
23.28.43 #       <BoD[]> i mean "c"
23.28.52 #       <preglow> hahaha
23.29.02 #       <BoD[]> I'm on the simulator, didn't try it on the real thing yet :)
23.29.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Did you ever play Bionic Commando on NES? One of the bosses used to say "Pi Pi Pi" and as a young child it made me laugh quite a bit
23.29.21 #       <Mikachu> haha, no
23.29.26 #       <Mikachu> i never had an es
23.29.31 #       <Mikachu> A NES
23.29.35 #       <preglow> haha
23.29.38 #       <preglow> i played it on c64
23.29.48 #       <preglow> never got very far
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23.29.52 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: pi like in pie or pee?
23.29.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: Give it a shot on the real thing. I doubt it'd be any different, but at the same time it seems like something others would have noticed...
23.30.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: I have *no* idea.
23.30.11 #       <BoD[]> Paul_The_Nerd: ok I just tried : it does the same thing "c"
23.30.14 #       <safetydan> preglow, http://pastebin.com/615179 ... close but it's cycling too slowly and I need sleep
23.30.18 #       <dpro> ok works so far, will recompile tomorrow and try to come up with pitch keybindings that make sense
23.30.26 #       <preglow> damn
23.30.33 #       <preglow> aac actually lost 10kb
23.30.45 #       <preglow> safetydan: cycling too slowly?
23.30.54 #       <Mikachu> dpro: i can hand you a patch to add it to the menu tomorrow
23.31.00 #       <Kyomi> safteydan = safteydance?
23.31.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Bod[]: Dunno, as I haven't used that tag. =/
23.31.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Kyomi: safteydan == not dangerousdan
23.31.21 #       <Kyomi> ahhh
23.31.29 #       * Kyomi hugs the saftey scissors
23.31.31 #       <Kyomi> errr
23.31.33 #       <Kyomi> dan*
23.31.35 #       <dpro> mikachu: that would be awesome
23.31.36 #       <Kyomi> ;)
23.31.40 #       <BoD[]> what's the preffered course of action from there? mailing list?
23.32.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: Try a few other things, to see if it's just Y that doesn't work, or if it's just short ones (single letter) that don't work, or what.
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23.32.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: Then, once you've got a pretty clear idea of what clock ones don't work, search the tracker for clock, or %c and see if it's already been reported. If so, add your findings. If not, report a bug report there
23.33.20 #       <XavierGr> fucking vi!
23.33.27 #       <preglow> are you?
23.33.27 #       <Kyomi> use vim :P
23.33.28 #       <Mikachu> not a recommended course of action
23.33.32 #       <Kyomi> lol
23.33.34 #       <BoD[]> it seems that the tag doesn't work at al
23.33.36 #       <BoD[]> l
23.33.38 #       <Kyomi> I love the replies in here
23.33.41 #       <BoD[]> for any pattern :)
23.35.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: Hm. Odd. I'd imagine someone would notice that...
23.35.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: Does your unit properly display time in the status bar at the top? And, have you tried it in sims for other targets? (Nano, H300, 4G color specifically)
23.35.58 #       <Kyomi> What BoD mean?
23.36.09 #       <safetydan> preglow, like it's doing sin(2x) instead of sin(x)
23.36.26 #       <safetydan> Kyomi, no, just safetydan... for very obscure reasons :)
23.36.43 #       <safetydan> Nothing to do with DangerDan, that's someone who's not me
23.36.43 #       <Kyomi> lol
23.36.46 #       <safetydan> (no really)
23.36.49 #       <BoD[]> Paul_The_Nerd: the time in the status bar works fine
23.36.55 #       <Kyomi> DANGER DOOM!!
23.36.56 #       <JdGordon> morning all
23.36.56 #       <Kyomi> >.>
23.36.58 #       <BoD[]> didn't try other targets
23.37.00 #       <Kyomi> Morning?
23.37.07 #       <Kyomi> Its 17:30
23.37.09 #       <BoD[]> maybe it's an ipod problem
23.37.49 #       <XavierGr> how can I see my mail in Linux. Every time I log in I see a mesage. "You have mail"
23.37.57 #       <dpro> its' 23:30 
23.37.59 #       <Mikachu> maybe 'mail'
23.38.29 #       <dpro> XavierGR: or mutt if you're not a masochist
23.38.57 #       <XavierGr> Mikachu: Thanks
23.38.57 #       <crashd> cockit
23.39.09 #       <Mikachu> XavierGr: there are tons of programs though
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23.39.32 #       <dpro> mutt and pine maybe being the most popular
23.39.33 #       <Kyomi> lol?
23.40.02 #       <dpro> less /var/spool/mail/username  ....
23.40.32 #       <dpro> ok I'm off to the party for now
23.40.35 #       <Kyomi> theres a program called cockit?
23.40.40 #       <Kyomi> You know...
23.40.50 #       <dpro> LOL now I get it 
23.41.00 #       <Kyomi> I've sooo wanted to take a picture of the backs of one of the interstate batteries van
23.41.01 #       <Mikachu> if you come up with a random word between 2 and 6 letters there is probably a unix program with that name
23.41.03 #       <PhR3aK> could there be incompatiblities between the x5 and the x5l? so will there a new coding necassery?
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23.41.22 #       <safetydan> rar... I can't figure this out right now, too sleepy
23.41.35 #       <Kyomi> I thought it would be funny to have a picture of a batter van with "1-800-CRANK-IT" on the back
23.41.40 #       <Bagder> PhR3aK: none of us have a x5l so we better hope it isn't too different
23.41.40 #       <safetydan> preglow, I'll look at it again tomorrow, but what's in that pastebin link is getting close
23.41.44 #       <Kyomi> batter = battery
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23.42.27 #       <PhR3aK> i mean the orig. firmware for x5/x5l is the same too, so... hm lets think positive ;)
23.42.37 #       <Mikachu> maybe they pulled an nvidia
23.42.45 #       <Mikachu> and put 5000000 drivers in one HOOGE binary
23.42.46 #       <Bagder> PhR3aK:  so what's the diff?
23.42.55 #       <XavierGr> is there someone that uses the VMware build here?
23.43.10 #       <Zagor> "The iAudio X5L (Long Play) allows a massive 35 hours of battery life (compared to 14 hours with the iAudio X5)."
23.43.11 #       <Moos> Bagder: just the battery as far I know
23.43.20 #       <Bagder> aha
23.43.30 #       <Bagder> well then rockbox should of course be the same
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23.43.51 #       <Mikachu> RotAtoR: you're the bubbles guy?
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23.44.03 #       <RotAtoR> Mikachu: yes, i saw you bug report
23.44.06 #       <Mikachu> kay
23.44.16 #       <Moos> Bagder: yes all X5 models and there are plenty then potentially lot of users/dev :-)
23.44.29 #       <Mikachu> i don't know if my attempted fix is a step in the right dir or if you want to break the recursion completely
23.44.34 #       <RotAtoR> Mikachu: i'll take a look at it this evening, i think I know what the problem is
23.44.45 #       <Mikachu> but at any rate it didn't help
23.45.13 #       <PhR3aK> but i think it will be a problem to port it on the x5v (has diffrent firmware)
23.45.14 #       <Mikachu> RotAtoR: other than that, i really really like it, it's very cool :)
23.45.16 #       <RotAtoR> Mikachu: i think it may just be recursing too deep, so i'll try eliminating the recursion
23.45.54 #       <PhR3aK> the x5v has no fm radio i think
23.45.57 #       <Moos> PhR3aK: this one have no fm radio
23.45.58 #       <Kyomi> You made that bubbles game?
23.45.59 #       <Mikachu> another thing that is not as important is that the next ball thing is right on top of the left penguin
23.46.06 #       <Moos> PhR3aK: yes I think so
23.46.08 #       <Mikachu> RotAtoR: it would be better if it was in the empty space above i think
23.46.28 #       <Mikachu> RotAtoR: isn't frozen bubble written in perl?
23.46.58 #       <RotAtoR> Mikachu: yeah, frozen bubble is in perl, but i didn't port bubbles from it, i just used its graphics
23.47.15 #       <XavierGr> is there a reason why putty is so slow?
23.47.25 #       <Kyomi> Putty isn't slow
23.47.27 #       <Mikachu> RotAtoR: oh, okay
23.47.34 #       <Kyomi> The host your connecting to is :P
23.47.42 #       <Kyomi> I'm using it for a mud :)
23.47.47 #       <XavierGr> the host is my VMware emulated machine
23.47.53 #       <Kyomi> anime2.ipupdater.net:8000
23.47.54 #       <Kyomi> :)
23.48.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: Because viscoelastic  liquids tend to flow much less quickly than normal liquids at room temperature.
23.48.10 #       <PhR3aK> maybee a stupid question: rockbox features id3-browsing?
23.48.14 #       <Mikachu> Kyomi: i want to date an iPup too
23.48.28 #       <XavierGr> so Paul it is slow for you too?
23.48.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> XavierGr: I don't use Putty. I just use the Terminal in the VM
23.52.49 #       <BoD[]> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4881
23.53.16 #       <BoD[]> should I post that in the ml to get better attention? :)
23.53.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: Did you try it on other UI sims?
23.53.38 #       <BoD[]> nop
23.53.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: And you never answered if the time showed correctly in your status bar normally
23.54.00 #       <BoD[]> yes I did! it does
23.54.10 #       <BoD[]> it shows correctly
23.54.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Oh, I missed that
23.54.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay
23.54.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I was just curious if it's a 5G thing, or a WPS thing
23.54.44 #       <BoD[]> maybe one of you guys can try a %cY% in a wps
23.54.52 #       <BoD[]> on another targert
23.55.31 #       <Bagder> %cY%?
23.55.41 #       <Bagder> shouldn't it be %C%Y?
23.55.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: %cYc works fine for me
23.55.52 #       <Bagder> ok
23.55.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Bagder: He meant %cYc, for use of the clock
23.55.58 #       * Bagder shuts up
23.56.03 #       <BoD[]> Bagder: :)
23.56.11 #       <BoD[]> ok so.. it seems it's an ipod thing
23.56.12 #       <Kyomi> Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Bagder...Muhsroom!...Muhsroom!
23.56.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: I just made a WPS containing only it, and it displays 2006. On an iPod Nano
23.56.17 #       <crashd> ...
23.56.21 #       <Kyomi> Sorry.. I just had to do that ^^;;;
23.56.22 #       <ender`> Snake, snake!
23.56.23 #       <BoD[]> woops
23.56.32 #       <BoD[]> ok so.. it seems it's an ipod 5g thing ?
23.56.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ender': We call the game "Wormlet"
23.56.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: You *are* running a new enough build of Rockbox right?
23.57.01 #       <Kyomi> argh..snake! Sssssssnnaaakkeeeeee.....ohhhhh.. it's a snake...
23.57.15 #       <Mikachu> unknown reference
23.57.17 #       <BoD[]> I cvsd last sunday
23.57.26 #       <ender`> btw, what's the status of apev2 tags on mp3 files?
23.57.27 Quit    quobl (SendQ exceeded)
23.57.33 #       <Mikachu> that is quite a while ago in rockbox timespace
23.57.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: And the feature was added on the 18th.
23.57.56 #       <BoD[]> hmmm :)
23.57.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BoD[]: I'd kinda assumed you'd made sure the feature was *in* your version of Rockbox before thinking it was a bug...
23.58.13 #       <BoD[]> hmmmmmmmm
23.58.33 #       <Mikachu> last sunday being the 19th or 12th?
23.58.34 #       <BoD[]> "you assume too much" ? :)
23.58.50 Quit    TCK (Connection timed out)