--- Log for 23.03.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot_ Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 4 days and 0 hours ago 00.00.07 # its just a txt file with a list of mp3 files 00.00.26 # * Bagder wants a commit 00.00.26 # oo and the extended version does have song info 00.00.32 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.00.33 # no each album has to be appended with.m3u 00.00.35 Quit cky1billion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.00.35 # morning guys 00.00.45 # linuxstb: thanks btw 00.01.02 # webguest58: no, Daishi is right. just call the file .m3u and you're set 00.01.16 Join cky1billion [0] (n=cky@cpe-24-58-30-8.twcny.res.rr.com) 00.01.38 # uh, uppercase feature-request 00.01.41 # Bagder: commit the LCD test plugin then :-) 00.01.44 # and for a new port 00.01.48 # as easy as that, jeez I had done that bought thought that I had to somehow append .m3u to each file. Thanks Zagor 00.01.50 # Has there been any thought about the default Rockbox theme for the 3.0 release? 00.02.11 Quit Aditya (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.02.28 # Bagder: good one 00.02.33 # so polite 00.02.44 # ? 00.03.09 Part webguest58 00.03.30 # Moos: I don't have that 00.03.30 Join webguest51 [0] (n=3fed53eb@labb.contactor.se) 00.03.31 # The feature request. 00.03.37 # aha 00.03.38 # Bagder: And very specific too. How many mp3 players do Sony make? 00.03.59 # Bagder: just kinding :) 00.04.13 # Hello. Is this where i ask how to install rockbox on my 3g ipod? All that's in the zip is this .ipod file, and i don't know what to do with it. 00.04.16 # do you think he'll be satisfied if we simply add it to the list? 00.04.56 # I think he means he has the port completed 00.05.00 # :-P 00.05.04 # webguest51: be aware the 3g port is not fully functional yet. 00.05.39 # how nonfunctional is it? My ipod's firmware is seriously screwed up... if it works at all, it's a step up 00.05.46 # * preglow raises his favourite pet peeve in the wiki 00.06.37 # webguest51: as far as I remember, most things work *except* the actual audio output. 00.07.00 # oh. hmm. audio output is an important feature, to me. 00.07.07 # thanks for your help ^_^ 00.07.09 # hehe, really? 00.07.19 # nah audio is overrated in music players ;-) 00.07.35 # Audio is implemented, but untested, afaik 00.07.45 # So it *might* not work, noone really knows 00.07.50 Quit Xerion (" ") 00.07.53 # just watch the spectrograph and _feel_ the music 00.08.00 # haha 00.08.20 # * linuxstb points out that it's possible that audio works on the 3g - no-one's tested it. 00.08.23 # or play tetrox 00.08.28 # oh, wait... just found the ipodinstall page, and learned that it's for win-formatted ipods only 00.08.36 # i don't even think my mac can format fat32 00.08.50 # i guess i'll come back in another few versions 00.08.59 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromMacOSX 00.09.11 # Still requires the ipod to be fat32 00.09.19 # heh, right. ignore me :-) 00.09.22 # Which is unlikely to change anytime soon 00.09.27 # indeed 00.09.34 # webguest51: It will be a long wait for HFS support - unless someone new comes along with a desire to spend a few months coding and debugging it. 00.10.22 # however the page includes a description how to convert an ipod from hfs to fat32 00.10.51 # Good point 00.11.09 # Yes, but those instructions rely on donated partition tables - there isn't one for a 3G. 00.11.45 # darn, are you guys going to force me to _read_ the pages I recommend? 00.12.06 # preglow, is palatino ugly? 00.12.24 # * Bagder does the magic langv2 moves in silence 00.12.30 # tucoz: it's too huge for us, i think 00.12.30 # there's no 3g-specific bootloader -- should i just try the 4g? 00.12.40 # tucoz: either than that, it's a good looking font 00.12.40 # ok 00.12.51 # webguest51: No. I'll make you one. 00.12.53 # But, we can define point size. 00.12.53 # most stuff by herman zapf is good stuff, but not everything can be used for manuals 00.13.17 # oh, thank you linuxstb. 00.13.18 # webguest51: Are you going to reformat as FAT32 and try to install Rockbox? 00.13.24 # indeed 00.13.28 # tucoz: well, worth a shot of course 00.13.36 # tucoz: but i say we shouldn't care too much about that yet 00.13.42 # tucoz: times is a completely ok generic choice 00.13.59 # so, preglow. You even know the names of Font creators :-) 00.14.04 # haha 00.14.09 # like i said, i like typography 00.14.14 # webguest51: Be aware that the only 3g developer hasn't been around for a while, and the 3g port is nowhere near as complete as the port for the newer ipods. But we need testers... 00.14.24 # and hermann zapf is a rather famous one 00.14.44 # Yes, that is the beauty of LaTeX. Change one line, and a totally new look. 00.15.03 # I'll read about him in wikipedia then. 00.15.12 # preglow, isn't he a total dingbat though? 00.15.35 # webguest51: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/bootloader-3g.bin 00.15.37 # No no, not Times. It is the suck. 00.15.51 # Cassandra: hahaha, i can appreciate font humour 00.16.06 # * Cassandra is such a nerd sometimes. 00.16.11 # times doesn't look very nice, no 00.16.37 # * Cassandra likes Avantguarde, Univers and New Century Schoolbook. 00.16.50 # the last is in latex, i think 00.16.50 # * JdGordon wants webdings! 00.16.55 # * Zagor likes 6x13 00.17.00 # 8x16! 00.17.11 # Chicago 12 !!! 00.17.16 # ...or maybe not 00.17.17 # nothing bloody beats 8x16 at 80x25 00.17.30 # * preglow is a fan of ansi art :] 00.17.39 # Damn, I wish I'd get around to designing the 5x3 font I want to do in my copious free time. 00.17.40 # ah, the good old days 00.17.41 Quit nnod (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.17.48 # i've even coded an sdl ansi viewer 00.17.50 # too wide! you can't fit 3 emacs windows side by side with that. 00.17.51 # perhaps i should port it to rockbox 00.17.59 # The problem is that it's such a silly project it's very low priority. 00.18.13 # Wonderful (downloaded). Does the mac install page assume that i've first formatted it to FAT? 00.18.24 # Of the Rockbox fonts, I like jackash the best. 00.18.30 # But then I would - I designed it. 00.18.32 # i like the default best, heh 00.18.43 # but i'm SO going to port 8x16 00.18.44 # schumaker clean is nice, yeah. 00.18.48 # I like the default, only slightly larger 00.19.00 # which is the one I use 00.19.08 # webguest51: Yes. It also has instructions for converting - but unfortunately they won't help you. (you will see why when you read them). I think your only option is to use a Windows PC. 00.20.09 # Does anyone remember where I can get the Rockbox VMware Debian image from yet? 00.20.22 # It's linked in the wikipage 00.20.34 # VMwareDevelopmentPlatform or somesuch 00.20.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 00.21.09 # Thanks. 00.21.16 # I'll stick that on the docs index. 00.21.21 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-152.VIC.netspace.net.au) 00.21.57 # 113 visitors here right now 00.22.24 # I have to say that palatino looks prettier than Times. I think I change it to that for now. 00.22.38 # oh, it does 00.22.39 # by far 00.22.59 # I'll commit it, and you'll see for yourself 00.23.11 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-af201b5705e3dc95) 00.23.22 # tucoz: I'd still prefer New Century Schoolbook. 00.23.26 # The 2.4 manual was in that. 00.23.35 # eeewww 00.24.00 # We could offer manuals with different fonts as well 00.24.09 # Never understood why people have such objections to clean highly reabable fonts. 00.24.12 # Let's not. 00.24.20 # I joked 00.24.27 # urgh 00.24.30 # linuxstb: does it need to be formatted as an ipod, or will a blank fat32 format work? 00.24.32 # :) 00.24.32 # the 2.4 manual sans font? 00.24.40 # hrm ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-nano.bin didnt make apples firmware the default 00.24.42 # i couldn't stand that font 00.25.03 # Well, the 2.5 font should be available. 00.25.10 # webguest51: It needs to be formatted as an ipod. Otherwise the Apple bootloader (stored in flash) will refuse to load the Rockbox bootloader. 00.25.13 # Since I nicked it from a TeX distribution. 00.25.13 # ahh, i think i was talking about 2.5 00.25.18 # the rounded sans thing 00.26.07 # So sue me - I find rounded sans fonts to be the most readable. 00.26.41 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/ansi/png/NEWS-56.png <- what we should aim for 00.26.49 # that'd be the best manual ever 00.27.09 # :-) 00.27.49 # preglow, see if you like the manual better now 00.28.29 # the font, that is 00.29.14 # * Cassandra hates serif fonts with a passion. 00.29.25 Quit cky1billion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.29.40 # Cassandra: how is possible to hate serif fonts? they're the best 00.29.50 # tucoz: you know, it actually works well as opposed to what i said 00.30.18 Join cky1billion [0] (n=cky@cpe-24-58-30-8.twcny.res.rr.com) 00.30.38 # I think so too. Well, we know that it's easy to change it if we would want that anyway. 00.30.50 # sure 00.31.03 # switching fonts in latex is a breeze, the only stupid thing is all the new overfull hboxes you might get 00.31.43 # but anyway, i'd like some opinions on what i just put forth in ManualHowto 00.32.06 # i don't like the thought of us having to edit the manual everytime some bloody company finds out they want to letter their name in some new fancy way 00.32.13 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 00.32.30 # hehe 00.32.39 # we should pick a spelling and stick with it 00.32.42 # especially when it defies all typographic and linguistic rules to start with 00.32.52 # Bagder: i think that spelling should be the one actually rooted in english grammar 00.33.02 # and not some fancy graphic designers wet dream 00.33.13 # I agree with preglow. Iriver, Ipod, Archos, Iaudio 00.33.22 # it makes sense to me too 00.33.32 # of course it makes sense :P 00.33.54 # iRiver, iPod, iAudio, Archos 00.34.06 # aRchos o.O 00.34.19 # ROCKbox 00.34.23 # hahaha 00.34.34 # It looks ok for a brand, but in the text it just not good. 00.34.40 # Some people insist on writing RockBox 00.35.25 # And some insist on writing rbs 00.35.28 # I-Pod would be the proper english, I think. (like it's meant to be e-mail but everyone writes email) 00.35.28 # rbx 00.35.52 # no, I vote for eye-pewd 00.36.19 # how about "I, pod" ;-) 00.36.50 # so how do i make the apple firmware default? there doesnt seem to be anything in the docs 00.36.57 # Aye, Pod! 00.37.12 # or I Pawed 00.37.42 # tucoz: but ok, this should be agreed upon and put down somewhere 00.37.46 # iPod is a proper noun nudel 00.37.54 # its supposed to be like that 00.38.01 # no 00.38.03 # it's a proper trademark 00.38.05 # not a noun 00.38.14 # Daishi: You can't make the Apple firmware the default with the Rockbox bootloader. 00.38.16 # oops 00.38.26 # you should distinguish between trademarks and words 00.38.26 # linuxstb: why not? 00.38.38 # the trademark is iPod, the word should be Ipod 00.38.43 # but whats against writing brand names the way their respective company does? 00.39.09 # because it looks weird 00.39.13 # bluebrother^: 1) we'd have to change our entire manual everytime a company changes its mind, just like iriver did (iRiver vs iriver), 2) it doesn't follow standard english rules 00.39.17 # because we get trouble when they change 00.39.32 # Right. The Rockbox development VM is now on Gnutella 2 and eDonkey. 00.39.43 # hmm, this could be solved using a macro ... 00.39.50 # Cassandra: bittorrent? :> 00.39.53 # Could people please grab it so my net connection doesn't get totally hammered. 00.39.58 # preglow: Coming .... 00.40.04 # great, i'd prefer that 00.40.31 # bluebrother^: yeah, but the second point is still valid 00.40.32 # preglow, It's a simple change. Just change what's in the platform files 00.40.41 # http://download.rockbox.org/vmware/ <--- much better bandwidth than www.rockbox.org 00.40.49 # I't also suggest writing brand names in, say, caps 00.41.01 # why would you want to do that? 00.41.02 # Or just ignore it when they change their stupid name. :) Nvidia insist on being all caps (NVIDIA) which I refuse to write. Except just now. heh 00.41.16 # nudel: which is how the good lord intended it to be 00.41.23 # and I vote for the Iriver version. 00.41.43 # I don't mean writing everything in capital letters but the thing called "Kapitälchen" in german. 00.41.49 # small caps? 00.41.53 # i still don't see the need 00.42.02 # make it configurable :) 00.42.04 # it's an ordinary name 00.42.10 # one capital, the rest small 00.42.12 # small caps as I looked it up right now. 00.42.18 # besides 00.42.25 # not all latex fonts have proper small caps 00.42.38 # scaled small caps look like a bag of shit 00.43.35 # schleep 00.43.35 # preglow: arent there more pressing issues in the world? 00.43.53 # Daishi: so i shouldn't care about it because there's hunger and war? 00.43.59 # I would use small caps for names to mark them as names. Similar to the (r) or (tm) stuff. 00.44.10 # i want this manual to be as good as can be 00.44.12 # nudel: any chance of a hdd icon on your green theme? 00.44.24 # nudel: which reminds me, any nano version yet? :> 00.44.30 # im talking about iPod titling specifics 00.44.47 # i'll add a hdd icon, sure 00.44.51 # Daishi: i know, and we need a policy, people are asking if they should write iriver or iRiver 00.44.55 # will probably do a nano version this weekend 00.44.57 # Daishi: i don't want a bit of both spread everywhere 00.45.00 # been too tired to do anything after work 00.45.02 # id say the majority of people see iPod like that and recognize it like that, it would give the docs a nicer feel if it was left as iPod 00.45.05 # thanks :) 00.45.12 # good night folks 00.45.18 # Daishi: and i say fuck that, if they can read, they can recognize Ipod 00.45.23 # tucoz: night 00.45.27 # preglow, I agreed with you on the wiki ;) 00.45.29 # Ipod looks completely ridiculous IMO. 00.45.33 # tucoz: you warm my heart ;) 00.45.34 Join webguest49 [0] (n=808f188f@labb.contactor.se) 00.45.36 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 00.45.40 # nudel: because you're not used to it 00.45.44 # nudel: it does look weird since were used to iPod 00.45.49 # yeah 00.45.57 Quit webguest49 (Client Quit) 00.46.02 # nudel: why would a completely normal word spelled the way all english words are, with a capital in front, look ridiculous? 00.46.11 # but why should we use something the users aren't used to? 00.46.19 # bluebrother^: so we don't have to care about it ever again 00.46.35 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 00.46.43 # bluebrother^: if apple starts to write it ipod or IPod or iPOD, wedon't have to care, we followed the good old english rules of standard lettering 00.46.43 # becaus eit isn't a normal word... it's got a letter prefix that isn't pronounced the way a letter normally is. it's pronounced i-pod, not ipod. 00.46.51 # sure? I guess there will come answers like "why is iPod spelled wrongly?" 00.46.53 # heh do an sed s/Ipod/iPod/g and have 2 versions of the manual 00.47.07 # bluebrother^: and i'll have a ready written page to direct them to 00.47.25 # i think apple is going to keep it as iPod 00.47.29 # nudel: "Ipod" is pronounced the same as irate for example. 00.47.29 # so do i 00.47.32 # that's not the point 00.47.46 Join webguest21 [0] (n=45f475e5@labb.contactor.se) 00.48.06 # iP0d yo 00.48.08 # the major underlying point is that i don't think people have the right to dictate how the written language works 00.48.08 # damn you for finding the one weird english word that backs up the point lol 00.48.12 # that's a step in the wrong direction 00.48.23 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 00.48.30 # from my viewpoint "iPod" is a name. And names don't comply to any language rules. 00.48.34 # they do 00.48.39 # they're written with a capital 00.48.41 # it's not a word, it's a name, it can be whatever the name inventor says it is. Like Ronald McDonald isn't Ronald Mcdonald. 00.48.42 # and then small letters 00.48.43 # that's a rule 00.49.02 # I wouldn't say so. 00.49.07 # you'd be wrong :) 00.49.10 # take "Windows XP" 00.49.10 # McDonald is a name tho 00.49.18 # Mc is a prefix - "son of Donald" 00.49.22 # there are capitals within the name. 00.49.22 # iPod is also a name 00.49.28 # O.o 00.49.31 # i is apples prefix for stuff btw 00.49.42 # Exactly 00.49.46 # it's _Apple's_ 00.49.48 # "apple's" being the point, yes, there's no historical basis for it 00.49.49 # a prefix lots of people are used to 00.49.52 # not proper Englis 00.49.53 # wtf 00.49.53 # it's just something that pulled out of their asses 00.50.00 # preglow: What's a good tracker site for legitimately shareable files? 00.50.05 # If you're going to write Ipod I hope you also write Mp3 and Aac and Flac 00.50.06 # well language changes in time 00.50.09 # Cassandra: i wouldn't know... 00.50.17 # iPod is a trademark 00.50.19 # nudel: Those are acronyms 00.50.20 # nudel: they're abbreviations 00.50.24 # Cassandra: well, i dont know about that, but thepiratebay has a good distributed tracker, and you can share legal stuff on there 00.50.25 # what webguest63 said 00.50.27 # as in, people do 00.50.29 # acryonyms 00.50.29 # so it's spelled iPod 00.50.30 # and the i in ipod doesn't stand for soemthing? 00.50.31 # even if it's generally not for legal stuff 00.50.33 # lots of people seem to be fine with iPod and its capitalization 00.50.36 # and that's it 00.50.44 # why change names and don't change abbreviations? 00.50.50 # Daishi: a lot of people can't write proper english either 00.51.01 # crashd - I'd considered it, but I don't think a link to "The Pirate Bay" is something we want on the Rockbox site. 00.51.03 # and they don't have to write manuals 00.51.06 # i'm sorry, what is the iPod spelling discussion about? 00.51.08 # Cassandra: yeah ;\ 00.51.09 # bluebrother^: Because English dictates that acronyms are in all-caps 00.51.19 # why not just keep it as iPod(tm) 00.51.21 Join Aditya [0] (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 00.51.23 # and be done with it 00.51.33 # Daishi: i've told you the reasons, you just don't agree 00.51.35 # There's a wonderful phrase. 00.51.38 # That's been answered a million times 00.51.38 # you'll be respecting proper english then 00.51.44 # since its a trademark 00.51.47 # *sigh* 00.51.52 # "All trademarks are the property of their respective owners." 00.51.53 # Daishi: are you writing the manual? 00.51.55 # and trademarks are just spelled however 00.51.56 # The BBC have a really annoying habbit of lowercasing acronyms now, like "Aids" and "Pc" (for Police Constable, but still PC for Personal COmputer, which is even more annoying due to being inconsistent) 00.51.59 # preglow: no 00.52.02 # Daishi: ok, you can keep your opinion 00.52.04 # Cassandra: ikarios.com/bt perhaps? 00.52.08 # I believe it's already in the copyright statement. 00.52.12 # bah 00.52.16 # i didnt want that at all 00.52.27 # preglow: are you the only one writing it? 00.52.40 # Daishi: as a matter of fact, iprobably won't be writing much at all 00.52.44 # Daishi: but i'm trying to "help" 00.53.05 # and raise issues i see as important in one context or another 00.53.05 Quit webguest21 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.53.29 # It doesn't actually matter what we do as long as it's consistent. 00.53.37 # and language happens to be one thing i care about 00.53.46 # however badly i seem to mangle it from time to time 00.53.48 # I think I'd prefer iPod and iRiver, even though I personally think they're pretty stupid. 00.53.50 # that's iPod 00.53.54 # nudel: does my patch in 4819 work for you? 00.54.01 # the way i has to be spelled. 00.54.04 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:IPod#Capitalization 00.54.09 # Cassandra: iRiver isn't the preferred spelling anymore 00.54.10 # hey 00.54.19 # does the IAudio X5 bootloader work for the M3 as well? 00.54.27 # not tried yet obo, but it's in my inbox for when i get time to play with RB some more (probably the weekend), and thanks! 00.54.32 # iPod is not and has never been a word, it's a trademark. 00.54.44 # pill: it's a word to, a noun even 00.54.47 # yeah 00.54.47 # pill: you just used it in a sentence 00.54.49 # i meant noun 00.54.52 # blame the beer 00.54.53 # :( 00.54.55 # Although sentences beginning with "iPod" should clearly begin like "IPods are a bane of the existence of copywriters." 00.55.06 # Cassandra: so you apply english rules there but not elsewhere? 00.55.09 # There used to be a style guide on the wiki somewhere. 00.55.21 # okay, shout if it doesn't :) 00.55.50 # * Cassandra shrugs. 00.56.11 # iPod is a logo 00.56.12 # not a word 00.56.19 # stop treating it like one 00.56.33 # should i stop ranting now? 00.56.35 # heh 00.56.37 # Probably. 00.56.39 # erm where does rockbox store its config? i cant find it in .rockbox 00.56.40 # use a PNG instead of text every time it's mentioned 00.56.40 # i think the problem comes from languages mutability 00.56.49 # thank god i'm never reading the manual 00.56.52 # Particularly since it's a logo that happens to be a word. 00.56.57 # especially english's, whereby language rules have loads of exceptions and stuff 00.57.05 # hehe, see, i cant even use my own language. 00.57.07 # and companies' annoying marketing shite, like Yahoo! having that *fucking* exclamation mark that should be illegal. 00.57.08 # Cassandra: who decided that's what the word looked like? 00.57.08 # proof right there 00.57.16 # Cassandra: i'd look at the logo and see the letters, then write it 'ipod' 00.57.22 # Cassandra: i mean Ipod, it's a name after all 00.57.29 # preglow, consensus, I think. 00.57.33 # it's not in the dictionary 00.57.37 # yet 00.57.52 # pill: it practically is, and _THAT_ will be really interesting to see, by the way :) 00.57.52 # then write it as it is on the official source 00.58.00 # indeed 00.58.03 # Daishi: in a otherwise unused area of the hdd 00.58.04 # Daishi: In an unused sector on the hard disk. 00.58.11 # but you can save it out to a config file 00.58.13 # pill: if the dictionary people succumb to corporate icons, then i'll just shut up 00.58.20 # haha 00.58.36 # "ipod" beats "iPod" on googlefight. I retract my previous opinion. 00.58.37 Join Thus0 [0] (n=Thus0@51.111.102-84.rev.gaoland.net) 00.58.46 # wow really long semantic discussion 00.58.46 # hahahah 00.58.47 # i never want iPod to be in the dictionary, like i nver want Walkman to be 00.58.59 # does the color ipod turn off its backlight yet? cause i set the cfg to do that and it didnt 00.59.00 # Godd night or whatever at all 00.59.04 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 00.59.13 # pill: they could be in a dictionary for all i care if they're used as generic nouns like 'walkman' is 00.59.22 # but it's a made up word 00.59.25 # Daishi: it should 00.59.31 # pill: all words are 00.59.38 # pill, do you object to the word hoover too? 00.59.41 # some corporate out-of-some-mind idea 00.59.51 # hoover is a brand 00.59.56 # infact setting any options doesnt seem to work 00.59.57 # "ipod" beats "iPod" on googlefight <-- that's probably lots of people who can't be bothered to type *any* capitals, even at teh start of sentences 01.00.02 # preglow: iPod is already referred to in the Oxford English dictionary - http://www.askoxford.com/worldofwords/newwords/?view=uk (under the definition of podcast) 01.00.03 # pill: i don't care where words come from, once they've reacher a certain level of universal usage, they're proper words 01.00.08 # It's also a generic term for a vacuum cleaner. 01.00.14 # What about 'fridge'? 01.00.15 # btw i'm french so i have other examples that may not mean anything to you but still 01.00.35 # linuxstb: now that's just sad to see... 01.00.42 # Fridge is a generic term for what Americans call an icebox. 01.00.50 # i dont want ipod to be generic 01.00.53 # never ever 01.00.59 # since it is not generic 01.01.00 # I don't think googlefight means anything since google is not case sensitive unless your word contains uppercase characters 01.01.02 # it almost is already 01.01.04 # i don't much care 01.01.11 # * ashridah prods IAudio-knowledgable types 01.01.11 # It's also a shortening of "Fridgidaire", a popular early brand of refridgerator maker. 01.01.16 # preglow: And this page also contradicts your viewpoint: http://www.askoxford.com/worldofwords/wordfrom/harts/?view=uk 01.01.23 # i'll never allow anyone in my surroundings name his/her multi-codec jukebox and 'ipod' if it's not 01.01.28 # "...accurately render iPod, PlayStation, and Wal-Mart." 01.01.30 # Cassandra: fridge is short for refridgerator 01.01.49 # an* 01.02.08 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Manual_of_Style_%28trademarks%29#Trademarks_that_don.27t_begin_with_a_capital_letter 01.02.11 # please dont make iPod generic :( 01.02.16 # naming it "multi-codec jukebox" will earn you a punch in the face from me, though 01.02.17 # linuxstb: well, if it's official there's not much i can say 01.02.19 # it's sub par 01.02.51 # webguestWHatever, i name mine an iHP, since it's what it is 01.02.51 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-81-71.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.03.02 # we now have to remember cap order in addition to spelling :/ 01.03.03 # and i called my previous player a slimx 01.03.05 # since it was 01.03.09 # There needs to be a proper name for these gadgets really 01.03.14 # no 01.03.21 # Sure there does 01.03.29 # "I'm shopping for a ... a what?" 01.03.29 # preglow: It's only official as far as the Oxford University Press are concerned. 01.03.44 # linuxstb: you could easily call them an authority with a straight face 01.03.53 # i'm shopping for sometihng i know 01.03.59 # and i would seriously have expected better from them 01.04.06 # the OED are into adding new, hip words now 01.04.08 # a DAP 01.04.10 # they've been doing it for a while 01.04.10 # ffs 01.04.13 # pill: "one of those gadgets that plays music that you put on their harddrives or memory" 01.04.14 # it's DAP 01.04.18 # quit arguing 01.04.19 # they added 'girl power' as a 'word' a few years ago 01.04.37 # * pill cries 01.04.40 # That's not accepted yet, though, and I am annoyed by acronym overuse 01.04.50 # yeah well i am annoyed by Apple 01.05.07 # it's clearly iPod as far as I'm concerned. For heavens sake they engrave the thing that way on the back of every player. 01.05.08 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 01.05.23 # when refering to iRiver/iriver products, the capitalisation should be done as at the time the device was made (heh, kidding..) 01.05.27 # i'd rather have my iHP referred to as a DAP than as an ipod (pun intended) clone that it's not. 01.05.42 # I like 'dap' as a word. 01.05.45 # iRiver can go f!@# themselves 01.05.47 # agreed 01.05.48 # like sms 01.05.51 # like mms 01.05.55 # like irc 01.06.01 # The problem is it doesn't cover recorders. 01.06.01 # i <3 acronyms 01.06.10 # okay 01.06.14 # i'd rather have the capitalisation done as according to english language rules, not as dictated by some huge corporation 01.06.17 # :/ 01.06.20 # Cassandra: that's a corner case.. they still pllay 01.06.25 # Maybe they should be 'pads' (as in "personal audio device") 01.06.27 # then then create the acronym DAPR 01.06.41 # I don't like DAP... Nobody outside of people who talk about them on the itnernet have a clue what a DAP is, and it seems like an unnecessary TLA. 01.06.49 # Or since they're interactive ... ipads. ;) 01.06.53 # i can see apple demanding a new character in the alphabet to represent the ipod in the future 01.07.01 # nudel: exactly 01.07.03 # it worked for prince 01.07.05 # the corporation dictates the name anyway. It's not too much of a concession to give them the capitalization too. 01.07.19 # Galois: everyone can give a name 01.07.23 # capitalize 01.07.25 # also corporations aren't all-powerful, witness Xerox and Kleenex 01.07.34 # Galois: what would you think if everyone starting deciding how to capitalise their own name? 01.07.35 # who cares anyway? :( 01.07.45 # oh 01.07.46 # haha 01.07.48 # Galois: would you enjoy remebering THoM jOhanSeN 01.07.53 # preglow it's much worse in japan 01.07.54 # hehe 01.07.57 # it's not a trademark 01.08.01 # evening THoM jOhanSeN! 01.08.03 # you have to respect trademarks 01.08.08 # crashd: good day to you! 01.08.14 # over there people dictate the particular rendition of the characters in their name 01.08.18 # pill: in certain contexts yes... 01.08.21 # people seem to think case sensitive filesystems are a good idea (they f***ing aren't!) so why not names, lol 01.08.22 # i am dAviDJoHnStON!!!! 01.08.23 # Galois: no they don't 01.08.30 # Galois: they all use the same alphabets 01.08.37 # there are variants 01.08.39 # preglow, I have a feeling Ani DiFranco, Edward de Bono, Joe DiMaggio and others might want to be allowed to use variant capitalisations. 01.08.44 # http://tclab.kaist.ac.kr/~otfried/Mule/unihan.html 01.08.45 # JUST SHOUT THE WHOLE MANUAL AS LOUD AS YOU CAN AND NOT WORRY ABOUT IPOD OR IRIVER 01.08.47 # "that is not ny name" 01.08.49 # you have hiragana, katakana, kanjii, and that's that 01.08.56 # oops, "this is not my name" 01.09.06 # "There is a market in Japan for font software that allows you to modify glyphs to be able to typeset exactly the variant you have in mind!" 01.09.14 # linuxstb: \usepackage{EULA} :-) 01.09.19 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 01.10.43 # the issue is that individual kanji semantic units can have multiple renditions which are all linguistically the same but don't look the same in writing 01.10.44 # Galois: 'variant' implying it's an existing glyph 01.10.50 # Not to mention a whole bunch of O'Brian's, O'Neal's etc. 01.11.08 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.11.15 # Cassandra: they all have historical backing 01.11.16 # like in english, the way a typset "a" looks different from a handwritten lower case a 01.11.26 # Cassandra: most of those prefixes denote a family relationship 01.11.38 # Cassandra: all of them also used to be a separate word in front of the name in questions 01.11.42 # -s 01.12.31 # and one of them still is, hyes 01.12.52 # Cassandra: hell, the 'sen' in my name means 'son of', and i don't capitalise it even :) 01.13.14 # no one does, but that's beside the point! 01.14.40 # it's reasonable that if you're writing the manual then you can do what you want in your own writing, but I would not recommend scrubbing the entire wiki to "conform" to one rendering or another 01.14.46 # Why don't we just ban the words IPOD, IRIVER and IAUDIO from the manual? A nice challenge for the manual authors. 01.15.39 # Galois: NO! The manual _must_ be internally consistent. 01.15.46 # why? 01.15.50 # people aren't stupid you know 01.16.01 # and I've never heard of search software so bad that it can't handle case 01.16.03 # Because everything else would be highly stupid. 01.16.13 # The manual is not a hundred little pieces of writing. It is one document. 01.16.14 # Galois: why not have it consistent when you can? 01.16.21 Quit muesli__ (Connection timed out) 01.16.29 # the problem with that is that, if you had to pick one, the only logical choice is iPod 01.16.33 # because that's what EVERYONE ELSE uses 01.16.36 # i'd beg to differ 01.16.43 # EVERYONE ELSE isn't always right, you know 01.16.48 # we're allowed to make our own opinion 01.16.51 # bugger if they aren't 01.16.56 # and i don't say we have to do what i say 01.17.03 # i'm trying to make a good point, that's all 01.17.04 # it's far worse to deliberately be inconsistent with everyone else 01.17.10 # it makes our own consistency efforts farcical 01.17.24 # preglow: with language, it pretty much is what everyone else says that's right. 01.17.29 # I don't see any reason that deliberately being inconsistent because you feel something else is wrong, is bad. 01.17.40 # when you install the manual it should ask you for your prefered spellings :) 01.17.45 # Cassandra: yeah, but i don't think people have thought this over too much 01.17.45 # paul_the_nerd: it's bad, when the justification being cited is internal consistency 01.17.50 # Cassandra: I think English is much "worse" than many other languages, in that respect 01.17.59 # Cassandra: and i'm not the only one with this opinion, if that's what you mean 01.18.03 # i didn't even think of it myself 01.18.10 # Galois: We Americans outnumber the British folk. Should they change what English is to fit our rules? 01.18.16 # preglow, No, I don't. I agree with you. 01.18.22 # Internal consistency is not tantamount to external consistency. 01.18.34 # But I don't think what it should be and what it is are the same thing at all. 01.18.39 # i think i read it in a book on typography by robert bringhurst 01.18.42 Quit damaki (Connection timed out) 01.18.50 # a book i also recommend heartily for those interested in the area 01.18.52 # The question is, will people understand if we say "ipod" 01.18.58 # The answer is clearly yes. 01.19.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: likewise, I don't think rockbox should be enforcing american or british english in their wiki 01.19.09 # Therefore "ipod" is an acceptable term. 01.19.33 # "ipod" is never an exceptable term 01.19.35 # Galois: do you see the final consequence of what you're saying? 01.19.40 # Galois: everybody writing like they feel like? 01.19.42 # How about ipoD 01.19.45 # Galois, the manual at least used to be in British English. 01.19.47 # no 01.19.47 # that'll piss off everyone 01.19.55 # which seems fair 01.20.19 # there are to be no strings that containing the characters "i", "p", "o" and "d" in a consecutive order 01.20.26 # Galois: How about every manual contributer use whatever font they personally like? 01.20.38 # and colors! dont forget colors! 01.20.41 # Personally I'd like it to stay that way on the grounds that it's our bloody language and Johnny come lately foriegners shouldn't be telling us how to speak it. 01.20.43 # I'm actually in favour of iPod, but stored as a bitmap image so that it can be said that it's not a spelling, but rather a logo-image. 01.20.48 # I may be biased in this respect. 01.20.49 # Cassandra: amen! 01.21.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: better have alt text or the blind users will riot 01.21.18 # of course, being half english might leave me a bit biased as well 01.21.18 # Cassandra: Are you including preglow in that? 01.21.32 # Cassandra: I take that back..... 01.21.38 # :-) 01.21.38 # hehe, didnt know you were british Cassandra 01.21.41 # but i agree 01.21.44 # being british and all :) 01.21.46 # i'm half kentish 01.21.52 # preglow: unlucky :) 01.21.55 # Plus, Europeans, which is the majority of developers generally learn to speak English at school 01.22.04 Quit bluebrother^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.06 # Never mind. You could be from Norfolk. 01.22.07 # argh, i want to sleep but i have to hang up washing, else i'll be forced to ride commando again to work tomorrow 01.22.10 # That is, English as opposed to American 01.22.25 # nudel: too much information 01.22.26 # * Cassandra wonders what happened to the style guide that used to be on the wiki for the manual. 01.22.36 # It's important that we have consistency. 01.22.42 # indeed 01.23.03 # (A lot of it was specific to OOo usage, but not all.) 01.24.08 # OpenOffice.org, and anyone else with a dot and a domain suffix in their name, should be shot 01.24.21 # I refuse to type it. It's OpenOffice in my mind. 01.24.35 # I'm surprised they haven't named the suite http://www.OpenOffice.org :-) 01.24.55 # hahahaha 01.24.58 # why do you use it? 01.25.05 # Trademark issues afaik 01.25.13 # i stopped using it after i found latex 01.25.23 # only reason i see to use an office suite anymore is for spreadsheets 01.25.29 # I only ever installed it to make it work as a viewer plugin within DirOpus 01.25.29 # preglow: it's \LaTeX 01.25.35 # preglow: That'd be LaTeX. 01.25.40 # lol 01.25.43 # heh 01.25.49 # Or rather the name that's not renderable on IRC. 01.25.54 # Galois: i can't reproduce an epsilon and chi character in my irc client :/ 01.26.01 # which is pronounced lay-tek instead of latex... which bugs me 01.26.03 # heh, yeah, subscript e or something :) 01.26.05 # c 01.26.16 # * lostlogic beats himself with his twitchy 'c' finger 01.26.19 # * Cassandra would quite happily have Knuth and Lamport beaten up for that particular bit of pretentiousness. 01.26.25 # nudel: actually it's spelled laytech 01.26.29 # nudel: actually, i thought it was pronounced La-Tek , not lay-tek 01.26.33 # with a 'loch' sound 01.26.39 # mIRC <-- another one 01.27.03 # ? 01.27.11 # oh really? long time since i've heard anyone say it (i.e. since I left university) 01.27.13 # I vote we change the entire project name to boxRock. 01.27.14 # i don't bother pronouncing correctly myself, though 01.27.42 # How about bokbokbokx, in honour of the swedish chef 01.28.00 # preglow: have attempts been made to RE the tvout capability? just wondering 01.28.09 # Cassandra: if you include the period in the name, then hell yeah, i'm with you on that 01.28.17 # I like Borkbox. ;) 01.28.17 # i bet people would bloody include it 01.28.18 # nudel: it's Bork!Bork!box 01.28.22 # I never heard anyone pronounce it for years. Imagine my surprise when I suddenly heard it pronounced and found that it wasn't pronounced like the rubber. 01.28.26 # lol preglow 01.28.30 # " Tried the latest boxRock. yet? It's nice " 01.28.33 # preglow: box.Rock ? 01.28.42 # http://www.google.com/intl/xx-bork/ 01.28.43 # "box.Rock ?" 01.28.48 # "boxRock." 01.28.50 # boxRock. 01.28.50 Quit ashridah ("uni :(") 01.28.56 # with 16 spaces after the . 01.29.00 # Haha 01.29.04 # violating grammar obviously isn't so important anyway 01.29.04 # so hell 01.29.09 # let's bring punctuation into it 01.29.13 # and then that non-breaking space character that looks like a space but isn't 01.29.17 # it'll be a hoot 01.29.17 # and greek letters 01.29.19 # And one of those paragraph symbols at the end. 01.29.21 Quit cky1billion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.32 # will it break anything to reformat the ipod data partition with mkdosfs? 01.29.34 # and a tiny photo of jimi hendrix 01.29.37 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.29.37 # And the first o should have a line through it, and the second one an umlaut. 01.29.41 # nudel: it's gone too far 01.29.42 # lostlogic: shouldn't, no 01.29.43 # lostlogic: no 01.29.46 # thanks 01.30.07 Join kernel_sensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 01.30.19 Join cky1billion [0] (n=cky@cpe-24-58-30-8.twcny.res.rr.com) 01.30.25 # Talking about spaces that look like space but isn't, Unicode has something in the order of 10 diffent types of spaces, it's a riot 01.30.29 # If not more 01.30.32 # haha 01.30.34 # the Archos firmware will have to be cut-down to the extent where it can't play music because allt he space is used up with code for rendering the firmware name 01.30.39 # unicode is pretty comprehensible 01.30.41 # Whitespace characters, rather. 01.30.45 # webguest63 that can be useful sometimes. 01.30.45 # webguest63: in typography you've got a bunch of spaces 01.30.51 Join wyze-cz|Matteh [0] (i=GFDNET@c-69-254-90-233.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 01.30.56 # webguest63: like en space, em space, hair space, space 01.31.06 # webguest63: they're probably including those 01.31.31 # I was so annoyed when i found out unicode has multi-character characters. :( Can't they just leave programmers alone with that complex crap that's so uncommon you'd have to be insane to bother wasting time coding for it? 01.31.43 # nudel: ???????? 01.31.53 # nudel: you think foreign character sets is uncommon? 01.31.58 # like some characters are control characters which modify the next character 01.32.01 # those of us who speak non-english need it 01.32.07 # there are about 5 million people here that might disagree 01.32.07 # i don't mean that 01.32.11 # and this is a small country 01.32.26 # just that there are 32-bit characters, rather than all of them being 16-bit, so string handlign is a huge pain in the arse 01.32.37 # nudel: ahh, that depends on what you use 01.32.50 # you can jump to the 6th byte and know it's the 3rd character :( 01.32.53 # nudel: doing internal representation in utf32 is wise, that way all characters are always 32 bits 01.32.58 # it's far, far worse without unicode 01.33.06 # nudel: then you can convert to a variable size representation when you write to a file, for example 01.33.16 # i figure unicode should be utf32 all the time 01.33.29 # nudel: that'd waste tons of space 01.33.42 # Okay, this is perhaps the *weirdest* installer I've seen for software. 01.33.42 # easier to code though :) 01.33.44 # the killer with utf32 is that it's not ASCII compatible 01.33.47 # nudel: but yeah, just keep using utf32 internally, that'll save you tons of grief 01.33.51 # When I run setup.exe it points me to a .html file on the CD 01.33.52 # * Cassandra thinks that bloody Moetoerhead started this whole downward spiral. 01.33.54 # utf8/utf16 mean you're working with compressed data effectively 01.33.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: bonzi buddy installer? 01.34.03 # preglow: U-2000 - U-200B are all spaces of various kinds 01.34.04 # lol 01.34.07 # And they were a bad influence on Bjork. 01.34.09 # Which then leads through a series of web pages, after which it finally points me to a link to a .exe on the CD. 01.34.17 # preglow: phaedrus961 and I were thinking about 16-bit arrays for unicode in some places 01.34.30 # markun: any places in particular? 01.34.45 # preglow: filename buffers for example 01.34.49 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (n=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 01.35.00 # markun: probably a good idea, but very fat32 specific 01.35.17 Join mtf8 [0] (n=windowsr@66.227.111.61) 01.35.24 # I just got rockbox installed :) 01.35.25 # markun: and in these days of people wanting hfs... 01.35.31 # mtf8: congratulations! hope you like it 01.35.37 # preglow: not really, it's more that we now need to allocate 3x the max size and with 16-bit only 2x 01.35.38 # I'm sure it's gonna be great 01.35.44 # I don't see my music though 01.35.49 # markun: but you can't represent everything in ucs16... 01.35.57 # mtf8: what player? 01.35.57 # mtf8: What kind of player? 01.36.02 # nano 2GB 01.36.06 # fat32 fs 01.36.07 # mtf8: ahhh, right 01.36.15 # didn't touch any of it during the install 01.36.17 # mtf8: itunes uses a weird database format rockbox can't read yet 01.36.26 # no biggie if I've gotta upload it all again 01.36.34 # no problemo 01.36.37 # mtf8: rockbox just basically reads ordinary files 01.36.38 # can I still use gtkpod? 01.36.45 # mtf8: just drag and drop your music over 01.36.45 # You don't need gtkpod 01.36.48 # mtf8: you dont need too 01.36.52 # oh 01.36.52 # In rockbox it's browsed by file tree. 01.36.53 # you can use mount 01.36.56 # nice 01.37.00 # so just cp :) 01.37.05 # where should I put them? 01.37.07 # mtf8: rockbox will probably support itunes database in the future, but as of right now, the ipod port is pretty new 01.37.09 # Wherever you want 01.37.10 # :) 01.37.11 # mtf8: wherever you like 01.37.12 # anywhere except iPod_Control 01.37.13 # or rsync :) 01.37.24 # preglow: true. If you guys think we'll use glyphs above FFFF than we'll not change it 01.37.28 # or unison 01.37.37 # markun: only thing i know is that it might happen 01.37.37 # dd :) 01.37.38 # no 01.37.46 # * mtf8 realizes what a bad joke that was 01.38.05 # AFAIK, HFS Plus uses utf-16 01.38.30 # markun: the solution with only allocating 3*MAX_PATH is pretty fat32 specific anyway 01.38.41 # markun: so the full blown logical way would of course be going utf32 01.39.00 # linuxstb: utf16 and ucs16 are two different things 01.39.41 # i mean ucs-2, btw 01.39.49 # there's no such thing as usc16, i recall 01.39.59 Part obo 01.40.08 # http://www.unicode.org/faq/basic_q.html#23 - "What is the difference between UTF16 and UCS-2", in case anyone else is interested 01.40.15 # isnt utf16 and ucs2 quite similar tho? 01.40.18 # or am i getting confused? 01.40.36 # ah, heh 01.40.42 # preglow: rockbox uses 16 bit for unicode already after the arabic and hebrew processing 01.40.44 # preglow: do you have anything to say about my tvout question? you kind of overlooked it :/ 01.40.50 # Alternatively http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UTF-16/UCS-2 01.41.00 # BHSPitLappy: i overlooked it so thoroughly i can't even remember what it was about 01.41.06 Quit kernel_sensei (Remote closed the connection) 01.41.10 Join kernel_sensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 01.41.28 # anyway, good night all 01.41.34 # good night 01.41.38 # nn 01.41.44 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp85-adsl-16.ath.forthnet.gr) 01.41.47 # "preglow: have attempts been made to RE the tvout capability? just wondering" 01.42.16 # oof! I've been trying to learn to use putty through Vmware my way all day 01.42.20 # BHSPitLappy: none at all, afaik 01.42.24 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.42.24 # At least I managed what I wanted to do 01.42.29 # k 01.42.58 # I wish I was a hardware genius sometimes... 01.43.06 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-128-162.dsl.pipex.com) 01.43.54 Quit kernelsensei (Connection timed out) 01.44.03 Nick kernel_sensei is now known as kernelsensei (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 01.44.05 # BHSPitLappy: not too late!! 01.44.20 # hmm... i guess scoring at or above 99 percent of all people who took the same test i did means i'm decent at it. 01.44.20 # preglow: no, but a little too early :P 01.44.28 # BHSPitLappy: lemme know if you grow tired of the relentless encouraging git routine 01.44.29 # once I can code I might start studying that stuff 01.44.33 # whee 01.44.46 # okay, i'll be back to coding that thing sometime. 01.44.54 # preglow: which routine is that? :P 01.44.55 # nobody knows what i'm talking about, but still. 01.44.59 # bye everyone. 01.45.04 # BHSPitLappy: the one with the two exclamation marks behind it 01.45.08 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders how slow the USB on his TI calculator is. 01.45.08 # lol 01.45.11 # nah, I use it too 01.45.23 # it's how I manipulate coders into doing my bidding 01.45.26 # Paul_The_Nerd: usb? my ti89 only has serial! 01.45.26 # lol 01.45.39 # preglow: I lost my old TI-89, and had to get an '89 "Titanium" 01.45.43 # It has the serial port AND a USB port. 01.45.44 # is it leet? 01.45.46 # ti 84 has usb 01.45.52 # preglow: It's all ROUNDED. 01.45.53 # god, i love my ti89 01.45.56 # it's like a portable matlab 01.45.59 # albeit a slow one 01.46.00 # lol 01.46.30 # preglow: I've been without an '89 for about 6 months now, and I finally picked up a replacement. 01.47.00 # preglow: It's a bit bigger than I remember, and looks funny. :( http://www.ticalc.org/images/calcs/89-ti-big.gif 01.47.04 Join SamAdam [0] (n=Sam@cpe-24-210-72-76.columbus.res.rr.com) 01.47.40 # And I've been backing up the apps they included on it for about 5 minutes now so far, over USB, and it's still going... 01.47.48 # haha 01.47.53 # still serial, in other words... 01.48.01 # Yes. 01.48.11 # hi SamAdam 01.48.17 # not too pretty 01.48.18 # hey 01.49.02 # I liked the design on the old '89 much better. Ah well 01.49.23 # I couldn't find one. They had 83s, and 86s, but the only 89s were these titanium ones 01.50.46 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 01.50.47 # aye, the older was better 01.51.42 # so who's going to port rockbox to the TI's, just for laughs? 01.51.43 # ;) 01.51.56 # you can actually play crude, crude sound through the serial port 01.52.14 # 4 channel midi-like things too 01.52.19 # hahaha 01.52.30 # BHSPitLappy: TI's have plenty of useful software as it is, I don't think they need Rb'ed 01.52.36 # we don't care about sound anyway 01.54.13 # haha 01.54.18 # of course not 01.54.32 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 01.54.41 Join Kohlriba [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) 01.54.53 # * preglow does the waiting for the build table dance 01.55.08 # preglow: torrent is now seeded. 01.55.14 # http://linuxtracker.org/download.php?id=1698&name=rockbox-dev-2.exe.torrent 01.55.23 # what is it? 01.55.26 # oh... 01.55.36 # If anyone wants the Rockbox development environment virtual image. 01.55.52 # By far the best way to develop Rockbox under Windows. 01.56.01 # Please consider hosting/seeding the file. 01.56.12 # Cassandra: i'll seed it tomorrow 01.56.21 # can anyone recommend a decent client for linux? 01.56.41 # Cassandra: how big is it? 01.56.53 # Cassandra: is that the VMWare image? 01.57.01 # 100mb or so. 01.57.10 # Paul_The_Nerd, yes. 01.57.10 # what gcc version is recomended for rockbox? 01.57.29 # hi all. i just started the oscciliscope, and i can't figure out how to exit it. 01.57.34 # Cassandra: Alright, I'll DL, and seed whenever I can then 01.57.45 # ok, i'll just seed it now 01.58.01 # SamAdam: menu?? 01.58.15 # nope 01.58.16 # SamAdam: sometimes menu+center is used to exit, too 01.58.20 # If you can grab it via bittorrent, that'd make sure everything was working. 01.58.26 # Cassandra: are you firewalled/nated ? 01.58.27 # (obviously not held down for too long) 01.58.36 # gracias 01.58.41 # aye, got that 01.58.41 # ahh, no, here it comes 01.58.45 # preglow, yes, but the firewall is configured appropriately. 01.58.49 # did it trabajo, SamAdam ? 01.58.55 # Cassandra: good, mine isn't :-) 01.59.06 # i'll see about fixing that now 01.59.31 # now if i only knew what ports the gnome bt client uses by default 01.59.40 # austriancoder: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler lists recommended versions 02.00.00 # Galois: ah.. cool 02.00.24 # Annoyingly it's kind of hard to make sure torrents stay avaialble using Shareaza. 02.01.33 # Hmm. I suspect it'd be quicker to grab the image of lostlogic's site now we know that bt is working OK. 02.02.04 # Cassandra: Exact same file? Link me, and I'll DL it and seed 02.02.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 02.03.10 # Oh 02.03.17 # Last time I downloaded from there, I think it was a .rar 02.03.29 # that was what hubbel used first 02.03.47 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.03.50 # * webguest63 is sharing the file on ed2k 02.04.11 # verily, i can really enjoy the new super fast build times 02.04.59 # i remember having to wait a bloody hour before being cleared to go to bed 02.06.16 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 02.07.37 # BHSPitLappy, aye 02.08.20 # webguest63, cool, thanks. 02.08.28 # Me too as it happens. 02.08.35 # It's on G2, ed2k and BitTorrent. 02.08.45 # Shareaza is my friend. 02.09.23 # * Paul_The_Nerd becomes the next seed, WOO 02.10.04 # doesn't seem like opening ports had much of an effect, then... 02.11.14 # SamAdam: I recommend using Rockbox's bootloader over iPodLoader2 02.11.28 # BHSPitLappy, i think i might actually be 02.11.38 # don't think so... 02.11.44 # i used the tutorial on the forum... 02.11.49 # preglow: Oh dear. 02.11.52 # does your loader have a menu? 02.11.56 # aye 02.12.01 # then it's iPod Loader 2 02.12.06 # I currently have 2 people seeding and one downloading. 02.12.07 # this one: http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=7748 02.12.28 # Cassandra: riiight 02.12.35 # ls 02.12.40 # lostlogic: . 02.12.40 # Cassandra: Does it show you IPs? Is there a 66.68.93.2 in the seeders? 02.12.42 # lostlogic: .. 02.12.44 # I am one of the seeders. 02.12.46 # preglow: yes yes, thanks 02.12.55 # * Paul_The_Nerd doesn't trust his bittorrent client. 02.13.01 # lostlogic: what, i was about to list your contents for you 02.13.22 # Cassandra: i haven't got a bt client fancy enough to seed without leeching first 02.13.33 # preglow: you know what I contain eh? 02.13.33 # Paul_The_Nerd, I don't seem to be able to get that info. 02.13.45 # lostlogic: i was about to start doing educated guesses :) 02.13.46 # preglow, ah - maybe you're the leecher then. ;) 02.13.55 # Cassandra: that'd be me... 02.14.13 # * Paul_The_Nerd goes to try another client 02.14.17 # It wasn't showing me uploading anything 02.14.21 # i was feeling pretty sure of myself up until ".." 02.14.23 # I think my client wants to be selfish 02.14.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: try snatching a piece off of bt 02.14.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: so i can see if my port forwarding even worked 02.14.58 # i hate nat 02.15.19 # people should just be nice to each other and roll out ipv6 as fast as can be done 02.15.36 # SamAdam: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/bootloader-video.bin <-- use that as your loader.bin 02.15.42 # in the big make_fw 02.15.59 # preglow: My router's all IPv6 ready and stuff to. 02.16.08 # Noooow I'm uploading 02.16.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: i sincerely doubt mine is 02.16.13 # Paul_The_Nerd: so i see 02.16.17 Join kernel_sensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 02.16.30 # preglow: I've got that wonderful Linksys one that everyone on earth has hacked twice 02.16.31 # my router was so full of bugs it wasn't usable 02.16.38 # luckily i know people on the inside of my isp 02.17.16 Quit JoeBorn ("open.neurostechnology.com") 02.17.35 # Unfortunately my upload rate is at max about 15kbps, so I can't donate *much* to the torrent, but every little bit helps 02.17.57 # i've got about 70k/s upload 02.18.03 Quit SamAdam ("Leaving") 02.18.21 # depends on a lot of factors 02.18.23 # I've had consistent download rates upward of 900k/s, but my upload is ~15ish. 02.18.28 # all of them outside of my control 02.19.44 # Oh, wait, apparently I can upload faster 02.19.48 # THIS client capped it too 02.20.26 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.20.26 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 02.20.42 # * Paul_The_Nerd is now magically uploading at 42kbps, which is faster than his connection is supposed to allow. 02.20.48 # kBps 02.20.57 # I think I'm sharing 256kbps but that's split between three networks. 02.20.58 # oh! 02.21.00 # i'm uploading! 02.21.20 # preglow: I wonder who to. 02.21.31 # Cassandra: I see two peers. 02.21.39 # Me too. 02.21.56 # If by peers you mean leachers. 02.22.01 # (I hate that term.) 02.22.22 # My client calls 'em "Peers" and you and I "seeders" 02.22.24 # It's polite 02.25.41 # calling'em leachers does make it sound like it truly is a warezhub, yes 02.25.43 # a leacher is the person that only donwloads and doesn't contribute on uploading. 02.25.55 # XavierGr: no, bt calls all downloaders leechers 02.26.04 # regardless of upload status 02.26.05 # strange 02.26.27 # I am quite sure what a leecher is named on p2p. At least on DC and eMule 02.26.28 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders what the difference is between a "Local" and a "remote" peer 02.26.50 Quit kernelsensei (Connection timed out) 02.26.50 Nick kernel_sensei is now known as kernelsensei (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 02.27.08 # does rockbox only work through usb, or is firewire also acceptable? 02.27.14 # oinly usb 02.27.16 # only usb <- 02.27.19 # at least i think so 02.27.35 # to get sound on x5 working i must hack sound.c and tlv320.c/h - that are all files or? 02.27.38 # USB 02.27.56 # webguest51: Rockbox doesn't actually *use* the USB port at the moment anyway. It can charge from it, but that's it. 02.27.59 # austriancoder: the only person qualified to answer is sound asleep 02.28.33 # preglow: okay.. maybe i find it out by my own 02.28.54 # wow austriancoder: it's been some time since I last saw you :) 02.29.38 Join Kensir [0] (n=pandafus@cpe-66-87-151-238.il.sprintbbd.net) 02.29.52 # but i should go to bed 02.29.53 # later, all 02.29.58 # Cya preglow. 02.30.02 # good night 02.30.25 # XavierGr: jep.. was a horrible time for me... but now things are getting better 02.30.42 # Hey everyone, I'm leaving the country tomorrow and don't have the time to really compile my own Rockbox for the 5G... so does anyone have Doom compiled into their Rockbox for the 5G? 02.30.57 # I remember that you were up porting a target but then we lost you. Which target was it? 02.31.03 Quit cky1billion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.31.13 Quit golf7 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.31.54 Join cky1billion [0] (n=cky@cpe-24-58-30-8.twcny.res.rr.com) 02.33.18 # austriancoder: You also need firmware/pcm_playback.c 02.34.06 # linuxstb: lets see if i get some sound out of it 02.34.59 # so. if any of you are wondering. my ipod was all fucked up (firmware something, i assume -- blinking folder when it tried to boot, random other issues, and even when "restored," would only go to disk mode). Now i have tried for 4 hours to rockbox it, and it seems that the previous deaths precluded this possibility. So don't tell people they can bring back the dead. 02.35.35 # Not that anyone told me that it was possible. But i had hope. Which has now been slain. Oh so slain. 02.35.53 # webguest51: Is it just your disk that's bad? 02.37.01 # couldn't tell you, paul. I think that the pitiful battery might have something to do with it... the inability to remember its own settings, etc 02.37.23 # when i put things on it, as a blank formatted hard drive, it keeps them, and spits them back out fine 02.37.39 Join nnod [0] (n=donn@xp000931.massey.ac.nz) 02.37.57 # I'd hate to beg, but I really can't compile Rockbox for the 5G...and im looking for is doom, tetris, bejeweled, and album art 02.38.08 # Well if you used the Apple firmware restore utility, it's highly unlikely to be Rockbox that's the problem. 02.38.10 # has anyone here pulled it off? 02.38.36 # Kensir, I believe Tetris and Jewels are in the standard build. 02.38.55 # Erm ... Rocktris, or whatever. 02.39.07 # oh, i'm not claiming that it is. I just thought that i could turn a nonfuntioning ipod into a functioning one, because all the issues seemed to be firmware problems. I was wrong. 02.39.14 # ok 02.39.23 # webguest51, sorry to hear that. 02.39.26 # thanks Cassandra 02.39.39 # i guess ill do some more forum digging for the Doom thing... 02.39.57 # webguest51: Well, the firmware's stored on a special partition of the disk. If that partition is damaged, trying to write the Rockbox loader to it still won't work probably 02.40.01 # I don't think there's anyone providing custom iPod builds at the moment. 02.40.10 # Kensir: Doom is kinda futzy at the moment, I believe. 02.40.36 # Cassandra: I get requests for them pretty much daily. =/ 02.40.59 # If the firmware partition was damaged, and even apple's restorer left the damn thing in disk mode, is there anything left that you'd suggest trying? 02.41.52 # webgest51: No clue, unfortunately 02.42.35 # Nuts. Well, thanks for your help everyone. And congrats on the boingboing mention. Peace. 02.42.46 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC") 02.43.40 # does the sdl simulator uses X on linux? 02.43.51 # I mean is it possible to run the sim for the VMware image 02.44.14 # Paul_The_Nerd, why am I not surprised. 02.44.31 # I take it no-one has yet offered to buy you an iPod to test them on. 02.44.54 # Cassandra: Man, if someone would buy me a 5G, I'd provide custom builds for 4G, 4G Gray, Nano AND 5G. 02.44.59 # It'd had to be a 60-gig though 02.45.22 # It's not like I don't build a functioning custom build with Doom on it daily for *myself* 02.46.15 # XavierGr: Yes 02.46.50 # Cassandra: But in most cases on the forums, I've at least been able to talk them into setting up a dev environment, a much healthier alternative than dependency I think. :) 02.50.42 # Woo, all peers are now seeds 02.51.38 Quit Fitzsimmons (Remote closed the connection) 02.51.48 Join Fitzsimmons [0] (n=Fitzsimm@HSE-Montreal-ppp3469390.sympatico.ca) 02.52.41 # Paul: can you build SDL simulator for windows inside VMware? 02.53.04 # XavierGr: Y'know, I haven't tried. 02.53.14 # I'd imagine you'd need a crosscompiler for such a thing... 02.53.19 # because it nags that I don't have sdl installed 02.53.26 # well shouldn't be indluded? 02.53.33 # on the vmware image? 02.53.42 # it is supposed to be compile ready. 02.54.06 # XavierGr: If you compiled an SDL sim, it would probably be a linux SDL sim 02.54.24 # I wonder if all you need is apt-get install sdl, or if it would need other things 02.54.43 # there is no package sdl 02.55.05 Join warthawg [0] (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-180-235.austin.res.rr.com) 02.55.05 # Dunno then 03.00.56 Quit herz42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.01.29 # probably libsdl1.2-dev if it's a Debianish system 03.01.39 Quit cky1billion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.02.14 # haha ~65mb 03.02.22 # or libsdl1.2debian if you're just trying to run an sdl app 03.02.29 Join cky1billion [0] (n=cky@cpe-24-58-30-8.twcny.res.rr.com) 03.02.32 # i should read back more 03.07.14 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 03.07.16 Quit wyze-cz|Matteh () 03.07.56 # can you install rockbox from linux, on an ipodlinux ipod? 03.08.36 # Yes. Which ipodlinux bootloader have you installed? 03.08.45 # never mind, i just read down past the windows things :) 03.08.47 # but thanks 03.09.27 # Ipodloader-20060114. 03.10.45 # shall i use the same init values for the tlv320 as in the original firmware? 03.11.08 # warthawg: You'll need to either install ipodloader2 from IPL, or the Rockbox bootloader. 03.11.57 # thanks, linuxstb 03.12.06 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (i=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.12.15 # any recommendation on which path i should follow? 03.12.34 # linuxstb: just had a thought... or maybe it was yesterday and I rethought it today... i2c needs a treatment like you gave the LCD driver for ipod... I'm not sure because I haven't tested it, but I think that one of the commands that is done is a 'finish up' which might be able to wait or some such. 03.12.46 # warthawg: Depends on what you want 03.13.17 # warthawg: iPodLoader2 is best if you plan to be using linux a lot, or easily pick between them. Ours if you intend to use your iPod primarily as a music player. 03.13.18 # Paul_The_Nerd, the ideal would be to have both Rockbox and Ipodlinux 03.13.28 # thanks, Paul_The_Nerd 03.13.29 # warthawg: Both will let you do that. It's just a matter of how. 03.14.29 # i wonder if i am going to end up writing two separate reviews, or combine them into a single open source ipod nano piece 03.14.47 Quit BHSPitLappy (Nick collision from services.) 03.16.12 # warthawg: In my opinion, each deserves its own review. The purpose and functionality of each are pretty different, since Rockbox strives to give a powerful and mostly focused music player, while Linux pretty much turns your DAP into a small portable computer-like-thing 03.16.26 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.11 : http://kopete.kde.org") 03.16.53 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=Steve-O@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 03.17.19 # What Paul_The_Nerd said 03.17.38 # ok, i'll take you guys word for it, it will be two 03.18.19 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 03.18.42 # 4 seeds = good news 03.19.10 # I have uploaded 130mb! Yay! 03.19.10 Quit midkay (Client Quit) 03.19.18 # 4 seeds? 03.19.35 # For the Rockbox development environment VMware image. 03.23.01 # (which someone else is now downloading.) 03.23.44 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 03.23.47 # It seems popular 03.23.48 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.24.58 # Anyway - pumpkin time, I feel. 03.25.19 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 03.25.39 Part XavierGr 03.31.10 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.51 Quit webguest63 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 03.39.26 Quit RoC_MM (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.42.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.49.25 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.57.25 Quit cky1billion ("Leaving") 03.57.55 Quit hardeep ("User abortion with 5 coathooks") 03.58.40 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.01.20 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa82.7.tellas.gr) 04.04.44 Quit Kyomi () 04.05.35 Join saratoga [0] (n=80c4c198@labb.contactor.se) 04.06.17 # 43 completed (out of 256) downloads of the vmware development platform direct from my server 04.06.33 # thats a lot of people 04.06.43 # I'm still useing cygwin since I know it 04.06.45 # I didn't uniq on IPs yet 04.06.58 # is it worth upgrading to vmware? 04.07.07 # no, use the colinux image instead 04.07.11 # much bette :D 04.07.41 # i've already got a linux box, just i'm too lazy to setup everything again on it :) 04.07.42 # saratoga: probably a 3x reduction in compile time 04.07.50 # vmware vs. cygwin 04.07.52 # so far thats not a big issue for me 04.07.53 # plus the image comes all setup 04.08.05 # i don't compile much, and i have a fast computer anyway 04.08.12 Quit Kensir () 04.08.14 # so i guess i'll stick it out on cygwin until the semester is over 04.08.19 # ok, uniq still shows 43 people have successfully downloaded the complete image so far 04.08.29 # i did actually have real questions to ask the devs :) 04.08.43 # should ask it 04.09.00 # is there some documentation handy about how ATTR declarations actually work in gcc? 04.09.09 # i looked at the #defines for them and i have no idea what they do 04.09.21 # well, aside from control IRAM use 04.09.23 # somehow 04.10.03 # well the ATTR defines are just shortcuts for __attribute__(()) stuff that controls GCC's compilation and linking behavior 04.10.20 # yeah i saw that 04.10.33 # so they just control the linker? 04.10.51 # (my compiler knowledge is almost zero) 04.10.57 # essentially, google for gcc attribute 04.11.01 # and you'll find resources describing them 04.11.12 # we use them to control what region of ram functions are stored in 04.11.26 # and for profiling I use them to prevent certain functions from being profiled 04.11.30 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 04.11.47 # we have profiling on rockbox? 04.11.52 # how does that work 04.12.12 # it'd documented in the source tree somewhere TECH file or something 04.12.34 # not the most advanced profiling system, but it's the best I could do ;) 04.13.20 # it records runtime info to a file or something? 04.13.47 # yah, whatever set of functions (on one thread) that you want profiled it will record number of calls and time in function 04.14.02 # wow cool 04.14.15 # so how much IRAM are we allowed to use in a codec ? 04.14.29 # 48kb 04.16.25 # so postfixing a declaration with "ICONST_ATTR" will allocate to the IRAM? 04.16.26 Join sharpe [0] (i=ziggy@user-0c8hc11.cable.mindspring.com) 04.16.46 # or is that only allocate a constant to the iram 04.16.55 # well iconst is for constant data only bss is for buffers, data is for data, code is for code 04.17.33 # whats the difference between data and a buffer? 04.18.07 # sorry, I'm not exactly clear on that myself 04.18.24 # hmm 04.18.30 # the code tag is used on whole blocks? 04.18.42 # it's used per function 04.18.51 # it must be part of a function declaration 04.18.56 # ah 04.20.31 # looking at libmad, it only uses ~3.6KB of IRAM, this is because no one ever bothered to optimize it? 04.20.38 # i assumed we just didn't have much to spare 04.20.42 # what makes you say that? 04.20.52 # I'm pretty sure all of our codecs already use more than that 04.21.21 # i grepped ATTR recursively on the libmad folder 04.21.33 # and the sum of all the declarations is just 3.6KB 04.21.46 # assuming all words are 4 bytes, which I think is correct on ARM 04.22.02 # *checks* 04.22.13 # yeah, i'm a little puzzeled 04.22.45 # There could also be IRAM declared in apps/codecs/mpa.c 04.23.50 # theres more to the decoder then libmad? 04.24.03 # oh i see 04.24.07 # it uses c000 through 13fcc 04.24.15 # libmad is the decoder library. mpa.c can be thought of as the interface between Rockbox and libmad. 04.24.19 # according tot he map file 04.25.11 # Just under 32KB then... 04.25.14 # yeah 04.25.18 # heh beat me to calc.exe 04.25.23 # bc -l ;) 04.25.34 # what is a .exe? 04.25.35 # I have my trusty old TI-52 calculator to hand. 04.25.35 # :) 04.25.51 # (20 years old and still the same battery...) 04.25.52 # c000 is DRAM or IRAM? 04.27.14 # 4000c000 is the start of IRAM in ipod IIRC 04.28.37 # lostlogic: Are you aware that the 5g and Nano have 128KB of IRAM, compared to 96KB on the 4G ipod and iriver. 04.28.53 # yeah, we'll have to figure out how to utilize it eventually. 04.29.00 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD502E.dip.t-dialin.net) 04.29.09 # so you're saying its allocated 32kb of the IRAM then? 04.29.18 # saratoga: yes 04.29.21 # But IRAM doesn't seem to be making much of a difference on the iPod though. 04.29.35 # linuxstb: yeah, the dram controller is much faster than iriver 04.30.46 # really? 04.30.52 # i thought the cache sucked on the pp chips 04.31.09 # and mem latency was fairly high 04.31.27 # linuxstb: does the pp have a code cache similar to the cf? 04.34.59 # looking at the rockbox.map file I compiled for my ipod 3G, i see only 48KB of IRAM 04.35.09 # IRAM 0x40000000 0x0000c000 04.35.23 # the rest is reserved for the stack and system? 04.35.31 # or does that include everything 04.36.07 # lostlogic: All I know about the cache is that it is a unified code/data cache. 04.36.13 # (and there is one per CPU). 04.36.43 # saratoga: That area of IRAM is for the stack and system. The 48KB reserved for codecs starts at 0x4000c000. 04.36.50 # oh 04.37.33 # The PP5002 (used in the 1G to 3G) apparently has a "broken" cache. Meaning that IRAM will be much more significant on those ipods. 04.37.46 # But the PP502x used in the newer ipods is apparently fine. 04.38.21 # BTW, have you tried Rockbox on your 3g ipod? 04.39.30 # I have yes 04.39.37 # Does audio work? 04.39.39 # the build is now about a month old though 04.39.44 # no, slimx is still working on it 04.40.01 # Have you been in contact with him? I committed a bug fix a couple of weeks ago for the audio. 04.40.05 # last i heard some things in pcmplayback had been fixed, but audio was still not wroking 04.40.11 # no i haven't 04.40.17 # Can you try the current CVS? 04.40.20 # i'll try to build from cvs now 04.40.23 # :) 04.41.54 # whatever happened to slimx anyway? 04.41.59 # i haven't heard anything from him in a while 04.42.09 # I've no idea. 04.42.33 Quit warthawg ("my work here is done") 04.42.50 Join webguest27 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 04.45.17 # drivers/adc.c:288: error: syntax error before '==' token 04.45.20 # ideas ? 04.45.29 # fresh from cvs 04.45.37 # I blame lostlogic... 04.46.16 # whaddadidid blah *takes a look* 04.46.37 # wtf does 288 even do? 04.46.44 # I'm guessing thats a comment? 04.47.22 # it's a preprocessor instruction 04.47.58 # fixing, I believe 04.48.02 # *does a 3g build* 04.48.02 # ok thanks 04.48.08 # linuxstb: A question in the forums has arisen that I find myself completely unable to help with at all, but you might have slightly more insight. 04.48.40 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3139.msg22258;topicseen#msg22258 04.48.54 # saratoga: cvsup 04.48.57 # saratoga: It compiles fine for me. 04.49.02 # * linuxstb confused... 04.49.09 # linuxstb: preprocessor version stupidity IMO 04.49.16 # saratoga: what compiler version? 04.49.21 # linuxstb: compiler version? 04.49.28 # how do i check? 04.49.40 # gcc -v 04.49.47 # or arm-elf-gcc -v 04.49.55 # gcc version 3.3.1 (cygming special) 04.50.08 # arm-elf-gcc -v says? 04.50.13 # no 04.50.15 # it says gcc version 4.0.2 04.50.26 # sorry, didn't realize my cygwin had two 04.50.40 # hmph, that's the version I'm running -- is it compiling OK from CVS now? 04.51.07 # i'll delete everything and try again 04.51.20 # enjoy 04.51.36 # might have been a useless CVS commit I did then, but it's at least code policing ;) 04.52.03 # saratoga: cygwin will have gcc for building things to run on your computer, plus any additional gccs to build things to run on other systems (ie ipod) 04.52.17 # I'm using arm-elf-gcc 4.0.2 as well. 04.52.38 # * lostlogic shrugs and decides that sleep is the only solution. 04.55.31 Quit Kohlriba ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 04.55.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: Very odd. The 4G Color ipods have two difference LCDs, so maybe the LCD isn't being correctly detected the times when it isn't working. But it's too late for me to think about it now. 04.56.01 # s/difference/different/ 04.56.56 # linuxstb: Okay 04.57.34 # does the aac decoder work well on the ipod builds? 04.58.30 # It works less poorly 04.58.36 # compiled fine this time 04.58.44 # 1 min, 45 seconds in cygwin 04.58.47 # not too bad 04.58.52 # less poorly? 04.59.03 # I'm guessing still no SBR? 04.59.13 # SBR? 04.59.30 # 1:45 isn't too bad -- you must have a much faster CPU than amiconn 04.59.53 # its the thing in AAC+ that makes it special 04.59.56 # the new stereo mode 05.00.08 # well, that and PS make aac+ different 05.00.10 # AAC+ isn't supported at all, I believe 05.00.19 # faad should support it 05.00.43 # I'm not sure if the fixed point version of faad supports AAC+ though. 05.00.53 # (which is what Rockbox uses) 05.00.53 # Also, wasn't AAC+ after the license change? 05.00.58 # of course 05.01.03 # i didn't think of that 05.01.10 # license change? 05.01.14 # isn't it gpl? 05.01.18 # Not any more. 05.01.25 # what did they change to? 05.01.33 # They added their own advertising clause to it. 05.01.40 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB182E2.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.17 # They still call it the GPL, but most other people (including us) disagree. 05.03.02 # But there is talk in the ffmpeg project of them implementing their own AAC decoder. Which we will be more than happy to use instead of faad. 05.03.40 # thats bizzare 05.03.45 # the nero people seemed pretty sensible about promoting aac 05.05.22 # how do i make rockbox show hidden files? 05.05.41 # file view show files all 05.06.05 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.07.02 # damn, just freezes when i try and play something 05.07.34 # Oh well.... What are you trying to play? 05.08.57 # some random mp3s 05.09.00 # now i got an error 05.09.04 # as opposed to a freeze 05.09.14 # Undefined instruction at FFF314E4 05.10.39 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.11.10 # Aw, what a dull memory address. 05.15.03 # is there somewhere i can look to see where things are mapped? 05.15.14 # saratoga: recommend the .map files ;) 05.15.23 # sleep... I said soemthing about sleep. 05.15.49 # haha 05.15.53 # good luck with that 05.17.06 # sorry, didn't realize there were 800 maps files 05.18.15 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.24 Join Shadowarrior13 [0] (i=dsf@ip68-3-160-223.ph.ph.cox.net) 05.20.04 Quit KN|stiff (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.21.32 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.21.32 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.27.27 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.27.36 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 05.31.19 Join SoyFeo408 [0] (n=micahtom@24-179-18-040.dhcp.ahvl.nc.charter.com) 05.35.41 Quit saratoga ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.37.34 Join interestediaudio [0] (n=4333f36f@labb.contactor.se) 05.38.24 # does anybody know the status on the x5's audio playback? 05.38.45 # It doesn't work. 05.39.15 # I mean, there's not really a progress to report. It's not working, and one day it'll be done, but you can't really say "70% there" or anything 05.39.45 # Okay. 05.42.04 # Who is working on it? 05.42.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.42.45 # I think LinusN, but I couldn't say for certain 05.45.26 # Is the doom patch compatable with just the iriver? 05.45.55 # iRiver and iPod 05.46.04 # It *might* work on iAudio, nobody's tested it yet 05.47.16 # I've tested it, and it's told me that it's the "wrong device." Is this just a setting in the code, or does this mean that it's truly incompatable? 05.48.15 # You compiled the plugin yourself for iAudio, or you just copied the .rock from somewhere? 05.52.41 # Aha. Okay. Now I feel stupid. Off to go get source. 05.53.21 # Yeah, it's important that you compile it specifically for your target. It may need some #defines for the keys and stuff. 05.57.27 # Yeah. I'll look into that.. 05.58.17 # I don't know if the screen resolutions are hard-coded or what, so I don't really know what changes would be necessary 06.07.07 Join webguest42 [0] (n=47d52f5b@labb.contactor.se) 06.09.13 # Does anybody know where I can get the source for the doom patch? 06.09.21 # *plugin* 06.09.45 Quit webguest42 (Client Quit) 06.09.46 Join webguest42 [0] (n=47d52f5b@labb.contactor.se) 06.11.37 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 06.13.20 # interestediaudio: It's in the patch tracker. 06.13.28 Quit jaebird (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.18.45 Quit webguest42 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.19.57 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 06.22.24 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.25.18 Quit nnod ("Leaving") 06.27.50 Nick ScoTTie_ is now known as ScoTTie (n=scott@unaffiliated/scottie) 06.28.02 Part interestediaudio 06.37.54 Quit Shadowarrior13 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 06.53.19 Quit RotAtoR ("zZzZzZzZzZz") 06.53.25 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48) 06.54.45 # morning 06.59.57 Part Paul_The_Nerd 06.59.57 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.04.38 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 07.07.24 # amiconn: Night for me :) 07.07.50 # Timezones are a strange concept :) 07.11.05 Quit Thus0 (Client Quit) 07.12.13 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.12.48 # wow, < 300 seconds build time 07.15.43 # Yeah nice. Should even get faster when all the clients had a chance to build up the ccache 07.16.03 # yeps 07.16.06 # E.g. mine got one different sim build each time after t0mas enabled simulators for m 07.16.07 # e 07.16.12 # I cut out the zip transfers ydaya 07.16.19 # yday 07.16.53 # We're now having some 64bit sims among the sim builds.... 07.17.15 # Actually only one in the last 3 rounds so far 07.17.28 # nice 07.18.07 # They aren't specially marked, other than the logs say which client built the sim 07.18.15 Quit TiMiD (Remote closed the connection) 07.19.07 # We have variations in the sim builds anyway, since not every build machine has the same host gcc. 07.19.29 # The 32bit vs. 64bit is probably the biggest variation though 07.19.32 # I think we vary on the cross-compiled gccs too 07.19.41 # Possibly 07.19.57 # I use the latest of each series 07.20.09 # 3.3.6 for SH, 4.0.3 for arm 07.20.35 # "Using sh-elf-gcc 3.4.5 (304) " 07.20.42 # huh? 07.20.51 # on server 217.112.245.250 07.21.19 # so it certainly varies 07.21.35 # 3.4.x isn't recommended. 07.21.43 # I know 07.21.51 # That shoudl be changed, since the target builds are our downloadables 07.22.03 # Some use 3.3.4, that's ok 07.22.18 # farsan.haxx.se 07.22.36 # the 217* is Slasheri's 07.23.52 # I have a few other ideas to speed things up more 07.23.58 # bygg.haxx.se still uses m68k-elf-gcc 3.4.1 07.24.01 # ooold 07.24.39 # yes, lots of them use that version 07.25.30 # farsan uses gcc 3.4.3 for arm. 07.25.44 # LinusN: ! 07.25.57 # Iirc there's something wrong with the iPod binaries built on 3.4.x 07.26.03 # yes 07.26.54 # bygg is the only machine with oldish 3.4.1 for m68k. All others use 3.4.4 or newer 07.27.08 # hm, how odd 07.27.16 # ok, so i should use 4.0.2 for arm? 07.27.23 # Yes, or 4.0.3 07.27.31 # ok, i'm changing 07.27.43 # * amiconn prods Slasheri 07.28.48 Quit dpassen1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.34.37 # ondio sp ajbrec.ajz built with gcc 3.3.6: 187068 bytes. built with gcc 3.4.5: 188820 bytes 07.38.30 # I added required version series to the build server wiki page 07.39.50 Quit LinusN ("disconnecting from stoned server.") 07.39.56 # btw, the wikipedia Rockbox article got some fancy screenshots now 07.40.39 # * amiconn needs to add himself to the build server donators list 07.40.50 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 07.40.52 # you can add Björn and Linus there too 07.41.26 # oops, already changed, but will do 07.41.44 # how do i check if a string is in a variable in perl, where the string im looking for is in another variable 07.41.45 # ? 07.42.08 # if ($source =~ /$find/i) 07.42.19 # makes a regex search case insensitively 07.42.29 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.42.31 # morning 07.42.56 # morning Slasheri 07.43.01 # amiconn :) 07.43.16 # if (/$this_word/i) {..} "Quantifier follows nothing in regex; marked by <-- HERE in m/* <-- HERE / at ..." ? 07.43.31 # Slasheri: (1) Could you please change sh-elf-gcc on your build machine to the recommended one? 07.43.48 # Your're currently using 3.4.x which makes larger binaries 07.44.03 # morning :) 07.44.10 # amiconn: oh, which is the recommended version? 07.44.21 # Latest 3.3.x, i.e. 3.3.6 07.44.30 # ok, i will change it 07.44.41 # You'll need to use newlib to build it 07.45.14 # JdGordon: maybe if you used what he wrote instead of changing it? 07.45.53 # same error 07.47.01 # then $this_word is empty I guess 07.47.19 # Slasheri: (2) Any news regarding tagcache? If you read http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ReleaseTodo you'll see that it's a wanted feature for 3.0 07.47.23 # its not... everything else works fine.. 07.47.43 # I'm specifically asking about the status of chunked browsing 07.49.12 # amiconn: yes, i have noticed that 07.49.40 # amiconn: i have started working with that, but it needs rewriting some of the big functions 07.58.29 # * B4gder runs cube on his x5 07.59.54 # * B4gder can't stop running it because he can't exit it :-) 08.01.43 # B4gder: power button... 08.01.51 # huh, compiling gcc 3.3.6 generates a huge amount of warnings 08.01.52 # yeah, had to read the source 08.02.14 # Slasheri: Compiling *any* gcc generates a huge amount of warnings 08.02.38 # hmm :) 08.02.48 # but i have never seen that much of warnings 08.13.40 # hey brickmania is greyscale on the x5 08.13.44 # :-) 08.18.51 # B4gder: prod Paprica to add proper colour bitmaps for 160x128 08.19.07 # It seems to use the h1x0/iPod 4g bitmaps 08.19.09 # I have no doubts others will ;-) 08.19.36 # mandelbrot, jpeg etc are in colour I hope 08.20.03 # yes 08.20.45 # LinusN perhaps the iriver bootloader should output info on the lcd remotes too (at least i think that it should as rb 3.0 is an iriver release too) 08.21.02 # yes, it should 08.22.00 # * amiconn doesn't agree 08.22.22 # Why make it more complex? 08.22.37 # The remote backlight goes on already as an indicator 08.22.56 # * amiconn would rather prefer a faster bootloader :/ 08.22.57 # amiconn: now the gcc should have been installed 08.23.05 # Slasheri: nice :) 08.23.27 # hmm, the bootloader could be little faster (about 0.5s) if the checksum calculation is omitted 08.24.12 # yes, but that's a pretty bad idea imho 08.26.27 # var ligger rooten för download.rockbox.org? 08.26.32 # oops 08.28.53 # the bootloader is too fast.. it doesnt give enough time to untangle the headphonge cable before music starts again :p 08.29.24 # amiconn sometimes i can't see the remote backlight (try to see it on direct sunlight..) 08.30.16 # It's too slow... With archos I can just press ON twice after connecting it to the car stereo, and it will resume. With iriver I always have to wait for the bootloader to finish before pressing Play a second time makes sure it resumes 08.30.50 # I don't want to enable reume on startup because sometimes I need to load the correct config first 08.31.18 # thats a bit silly.. y cant u load the correct config after music has started? 08.32.33 # volume levels 08.32.35 # I imagine 08.32.42 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.33.01 # have u all seen the new aussie tourism "where the bloody hell are you" ad? 08.33.05 # Yes, but in the meantime it sounds like crap, and is either too faint (earphone->car change) or ruining my ears (car->earphone change) 08.33.10 # funny spoof of the add.. http://youtube.com/watch?v=3RGkNHr17OU 08.35.28 Quit SoyFeo408 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.39.06 # I was pondering if we should introduce a new CONFIG_ define for audio decoder/encoder 08.39.24 # oops 08.39.30 # we have CONFIC_CODEC 08.39.51 # CONFIG_CODEC is for the compressed audio codec 08.39.56 # yes I see 08.40.14 # I just find it weird that we use HAVE_UDA1380 and HAVE_WM8758 etc 08.40.16 # Perhaps we should have a separate one for the audio codecs/dac 08.40.22 # yes, exactly 08.40.34 # That could also include DAC3550 (player) 08.40.56 # ...and MAS3587 / MAS3539 as well because they are both 08.44.45 # LinusN: I could try to add line-burst reading to the x5 lcd driver, but that means moving the lookup tables into lcd.S 08.45.08 # How should that be done correctly within the target_tree concept? 08.46.08 # put the file in the x5 dir 08.46.26 # lcd-asm-x5.S perhaps? 08.48.29 Join fox010 [0] (n=Miranda@plz-84-242-95-195.nat.karneval.cz) 08.52.31 # maybe someone know what to do if cant acess my iriver on my computer 08.55.01 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 08.55.29 # K-B your computer doesn't detect it ? 08.57.06 Join nave7693 [0] (i=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 08.59.06 # no 08.59.33 # and even if i want to copy files by the usb 1.1 i cant 08.59.37 # LinusN: okay 08.59.40 # the hd is dead 08.59.54 # i need program that can format the hd 09.01.11 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.01.23 # K-B: which operating system are you using? 09.04.42 # xp 09.04.50 # * amiconn thinks dual-boot isn't necessary on X5 as the flash procedure is independent 09.05.04 # the little green arrow is here but cant access 09.05.14 # LinusN: What I do think would be nice is to be able to rolo the X5 firmware, if that's possible 09.05.16 # any opinions on this (as idea, not as code) http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2920 09.05.17 # well, you might still want to boot the original without a computer 09.05.25 Part nave7693 09.05.35 Quit kclaf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.05.51 # amiconn: the x5 firmware, like the iriver one, is designed to run from flash 09.06.00 # so rolo is out of the question 09.06.09 # but we can of course jump to it in flash 09.06.46 # Bg3r: gets my vote 09.07.02 # LinusN for all platforms ? 09.07.12 # K-B: open the Computer Management from the control panel 09.07.35 # Bg3r: only for those who turn off the lcd, imho 09.08.00 # h300 and x5 to my knowledge, i don't know about the ipods 09.08.22 # Imho all buttons should be able to turn on the LCD when it's off, and it should be optional 09.08.39 # LinusN what about a special "original_fw.iriver/original_fw.iaudio" empty file, which, when rolo-ed, "jumps" to the original fw ? ? 09.08.51 # (for our blind users, since they don't care) 09.09.16 # Bg3r: seems like an overly coomplicated solution to me 09.09.37 # LinusN: The iriver firmware runs from flash? 09.09.39 # LinusN okay, but sometimes it's usefull even on the targets with b&w display 09.09.57 # I remember someone saying it copies itself to ram, but I may be wrong... 09.10.00 # LinusN you mean the specific code ? 09.10.13 # amiconn: yes it copies itself 09.10.13 # ok 09.10.22 Join kclaf [0] (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 09.10.30 # LinusN: So we can mimic that copy process and then call it? 09.10.43 # but i don't want to patch Y versions of that firmware to be able to rolo it 09.10.59 # not my idea of fun 09.11.39 # and with that solution you still can't boot the original if rockbox is removed 09.11.55 # done 09.12.23 # K-B: there should be a Disk Manager somewhere in that window 09.18.21 # downloaded dmdiag 09.21.11 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 09.22.05 # any devs wanna look at my keyboard patch and tell me what they think of my approach? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856 09.26.04 # and then what? 09.26.19 # the iriver dont appear 09.28.21 # K-B: sometimes, when the filesystem is corrupt, there will be no drive letter 09.28.34 # but the physical disk is still visible in the disk manager 09.29.09 # ok ill try again 09.29.18 Join EL1 [0] (n=Eric@3.sub-70-193-69.myvzw.com) 09.29.26 # Hi! 09.29.42 # My rockbox is in german mode and I dont know howto get it out! 09.31.03 # Which player do you have? 09.31.58 # one sec... let me turn it on... archos... 09.32.06 # EL1, go to the menu, select grundeinstellungen->sprache, then select english 09.32.36 # os 1.28 09.32.44 # rock box 2.8 something... 09.32.47 # went by fast. 09.32.59 # no good 10x anyway 09.34.56 # K-B: does the iriver make any sounds? 09.37.31 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (i=steve-o@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 09.39.48 # Heya 09.41.25 # I dont see "grundeinstellungen" - should I just reinstall the rockbox software? That is fast, right? And it has been years since I installed it. 09.41.53 # you can also just remove the german language file 09.42.18 # What about a settings reset? 09.42.21 # but if it's been years, an upgrade might still be fun 09.42.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.42.43 # Hey Badger, how goes Rockbox 3xx development? Any work been done on movie playback? 09.42.53 # DJ_Dooms_Day: we wait for your patches 09.43.00 # :-) 09.43.21 # lol, fully 09.44.05 # I take that as a 'no, we're not working on that at all right now' 09.44.17 # see the release plans 09.44.39 # the who whats? 09.44.42 # oh, THOSE 09.44.45 # you won't find any video playback mentioned anywhere there 09.44.46 # good idea 09.44.53 # mail 09.44.54 # upgrading is fast? 09.44.55 Quit fox010 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 09.44.56 # oops 09.45.05 # haha, is it even possible? 09.45.32 # of course 09.45.43 # since the OF has it 09.46.15 # Well i went straight into the rockbox firmware heh, i have no idea what the OF could do 09.46.26 # linusn: yes it is 09.46.39 # the iriver software is working 09.46.45 # but can access the hd 09.46.53 # anything specail I need to do because it is a "re=install"? 09.46.58 # when i plug to the computer 09.47.09 # K-B: can you connect to another computer 09.47.12 # ? 09.47.20 # DJ_Dooms_Day: the h3x0 can do 10 fps video playback 09.47.35 # the x5 can do 13fps (I guess mainly due to the smaller resolution) 09.47.59 # x5? That the apple G5 thingy? 09.48.07 # iaudio x5 09.48.08 # iaudio x5 09.48.18 # ah 09.48.27 # i dont want a god damn iaudio though :P 09.48.38 # more importantly, i dont HAVE one 09.48.58 # it uses a very similar CPU 09.49.07 # Also, why the 10fps limitation. hardware? 09.49.09 # so the numbers are interesting as a comparison 09.49.15 # ah 09.49.32 # didnt try it yet 09.49.35 # B4gder in fact it uses the *same* cpu, just in a different 09.49.36 # What about a less CPU intensive codec? 09.49.37 # package 09.49.41 # no 09.49.47 # it is different 09.50.10 # just very small differences 09.50.26 # DJ_Dooms_Day: rvf is quite cpu friendly :-) 09.50.43 # EL1, upgrading should be as simple as unzipping the rockbox zip onto your archos. though you may need to fix your settings afterwards 09.50.47 # rockbox video file? 09.50.58 # B4gder ah, yes 09.51.05 # it was 5250 ... 09.51.06 # DJ_Dooms_Day: yes, plays on archos models 09.51.37 # phaedrus961: thanks! 09.51.42 # Are you guys even allowed to support commercial codecs? Wouldn't there be some legal issues or something 09.51.58 # DJ_Dooms_Day support as ? 09.52.05 # *shrugs* wmv? 09.52.18 # some formats are patent encumbered 09.53.08 # however software patents are illegal in europe 09.53.16 # Also, why the 10fps too? Is the CPU actually incapable of making 100x100 pixels change more than 10 times a second? 09.53.21 Quit BHSPitLappy (Connection timed out) 09.53.24 # 100x100 ? 09.53.39 # and if you read up on video codecs, you'll learn 09.53.40 # i dunno, read it somewhere on the wps thread :P 09.53.59 # the h300 screen is 220x176 09.54.28 # but feel free to prove it to be wrong number 09.54.44 # ...i'm sure your right badger 09.54.45 # the fps I mean 09.54.53 # that's what the OF can do 09.55.06 # I don't mean that it is a fixed limit 09.55.38 # Ok, and thats 10FPS with audio right? 09.55.56 # yes of course 09.57.00 # Is 10 FPS even watchable? :P 09.57.15 # DJ_Dooms_Day in fact it is :) 09.57.34 # I guess you'd get a fair bit of natural smoothing on those LCDs with their low refresh rate. 10.15.27 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 10.17.15 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 10.18.26 # LinusN: maybe you have another idea how can i access my iriver? 10.19.05 # K-B: first of all, i would try with another computer 10.21.05 # ok ill try anything 10.21.12 # i dont have warrenty or insurance 10.23.32 Quit K-B () 10.27.08 # Albumart looks surprisingly good in 4-greys 10.27.38 # Still not sure what it accomplishes, but it doesn't look as hilariously bad as I expected 10.28.29 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.ton.tut.fi) 10.32.44 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-239.VIC.netspace.net.au) 10.34.39 Quit Galois ("Leaving") 10.36.40 Join Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 10.37.38 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@80.120.117.30) 10.38.41 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.41.44 Join huntermic [0] (n=3e3a4384@labb.contactor.se) 10.42.24 # Hi there, anyone know wether he X5 version will also run on an M5? 10.43.39 # someone should compile a list of differences between M5 and X5 and the other similar cowon models 10.44.25 # yes, good idea, i don't even know if the M5 has the same hardware as the X5 or the M3 :-# 10.44.39 # Doesn't rockbox already support musepack? 10.44.55 # afaik, it does 10.45.02 # huntermic: no, the M5 has a V8 while the M3 has a straight six. 10.45.12 # oh, you're not talking about cars? ;) 10.45.17 # * safetydan sees a feature request that can be closed 10.45.21 # LOL 10.45.45 # closecloseclose! 10.48.26 # aaah 10.48.49 # M6 > M5 tho ;x 10.52.22 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.54.58 # m5 looks like an x5 with greyscale lcd 10.55.22 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.55.47 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 10.56.06 # we might support m5 if someone does the porting work 10.56.11 # haha 10.56.16 # afaik, m5 is pretty similar 10.56.16 # it says "color sound" 10.56.24 # on the m5 too 10.56.26 # grayscale sound 10.56.28 # lol 10.57.01 # if we're lucky, the lcd is similar to the h1x0 one 10.57.10 # it could be 10.59.29 # it uses the same resolution and depth 10.59.29 # but i think a big question is:does it have the same processor, or isn't that important? 10.59.47 # I assume it has 11.00.10 # afaik, the m5 hardware is very similar to the x5 11.00.35 # http://www.netzwelt.de/mp3-player/1157-cowon-iaudio-m5-20gb.html 11.00.41 # claims a 5249! 11.00.56 # so not the same as the X5 11.01.19 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.01.36 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.01.38 # I don't trust that source blindly, but if so it would mean it is slightly different yes 11.02.06 # can somebody gives me the ram start address + size and the rom start address + size for the x5? 11.02.18 # austriancoder: source code? 11.02.37 # rom start: 0x10000 11.02.43 # ram start: 0x31000000 11.02.54 # if you mean the application 11.03.30 # I want to load the origianl firmware with IDA 11.05.17 # huntermic: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioM3HardwareComponents 11.06.16 # is the M3 remote anything similar to the X5's remote, anyone knows? 11.06.30 # i just love when people submit requests for already existing features 11.06.37 # it's the same 11.06.40 # (remote) 11.06.42 # cool 11.06.43 Quit gtkspert ("leaving") 11.06.56 # then M3 support isn't out of the loop either 11.07.01 # nope 11.09.13 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 11.10.06 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.10.17 Part EL1 11.10.27 # LinusN: Whta are you trying to say with that link, i know the contents but i don't know for sure the M5 is the same 11.11.06 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-81-71.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.20.48 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.21.00 # Hello here ! 11.21.27 # austriancoder: welcome back :-) 11.22.20 # B4gder: could you take a look at this patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4856 11.22.59 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 11.23.17 # It works quite nice but phaedrus961 would like some feedback from any of the devs 11.24.19 Quit qwm_ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 11.24.19 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.24.32 # amiconn_: interested in loadable keyboard layouts? 11.24.44 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 11.24.44 NJoin qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 11.24.56 # is that suggested .kbd format documented somewhere? 11.25.32 # It's just a long UTF-8 string 11.25.43 # like this arabic keyboard: http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/arabic.kbd 11.26.12 # aha 11.26.23 # although arabic and hebrew support has to be worked on 11.26.36 # the patch looks fine to me, although I'm not really a keyboard user 11.26.39 # as of last night it has a korean input method 11.26.51 # lunch! 11.27.00 # bon apetit 11.34.09 # * safetydan does the "I am some sort fixed-point trig god" dance 11.34.13 # at bloody last 11.35.21 # preglow, if you're around http://pastebin.com/617741 seems to be working for what we want in the equalizer coef calcs 11.35.26 # now to actually test it 11.37.05 Join c0utta [0] (n=cbad1f07@labb.contactor.se) 11.37.20 # "Vista - I wouldn't buy it with someone else's money. Then again What do I know, I've only been testing the dog for the last 2-3 yrs..." 11.37.42 # some very bitter remarks on this MS blog: http://minimsft.blogspot.com/2006/03/vista-2007-fire-leadership-now.html 11.37.50 # (totally off-topic, but interesting to read) 11.39.00 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 11.39.29 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.39.30 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 11.39.55 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 11.41.43 # i'm testing the vmware image, but where are the rockbox files on my PC? 11.41.59 # note i've never used *unix in my life 11.42.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.42.36 Part moozooh 11.45.54 # I think by default they're stored in the image itself. 11.46.15 # There's info about copying them over to Windows on trhw wiki page. 11.46.28 # ii don't seem to have the \\ip\user share that's described on the wiki 11.47.26 # I'm not familiar enough with vmware to help you, sorry. 11.48.02 # c0utta: have you tried \\debian\user 11.48.07 Join Nico_P [0] (i=Nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 11.48.36 Quit webguest27 ("CGI:IRC") 11.48.53 # LinusN: Any news on the X5 remote lcd format? 11.50.00 # safetydan: how'd the test go? 11.50.58 # although webguest27 has gone - \\debian\user is the share available 11.53.30 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.53.37 # preglow: I tested your libmad changes on my amd64. No crashes at all, 11.53.43 # heya ll.. im bored.. anythign i can help with? 11.53.53 # but I noticed some strange behaviour when running under gdb control 11.56.06 # amiconn: what about when skipping tracks? 11.56.12 # amiconn: it crashes at the first mp3->mp3 skip here 11.57.16 # Zagor ? 11.58.34 # preglow: Ah, that I didn't try. I only had one .ogg and one .mp3 to test with 11.58.46 # Nico_P: yes? 11.58.52 # whats the generel consensus about some of these bug reports where something isnt implelmented on a target? just #ifndef the menu item out? i.e http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4862 11.58.57 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@cpe.atm2-0-1131059.0x50a648ba.banxx1.customer.tele.dk) 11.59.11 # What I did notice under gdb control was that somehow pitch changes on track changes. Then the crappy resampler kicks in 11.59.17 # i read your comment about my patch (http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2920#comment6782) 11.59.22 # amiconn: weird... 11.59.31 # Doesn't happen when running without gdb 11.59.39 # first, thanks for your interest ;) 11.59.46 # ahh, one of those bugs 12.00.06 # i suggest creating a simple patch with the behaviour you were speaking of 12.00.15 # without the "one key only" thing 12.00.28 # and then trying to extend it in an elegant way 12.00.43 # extend with what? 12.01.10 # with the possibility to have only one key turning the backlight on 12.01.29 # i't something i like very much 12.01.39 # and i'm pretty sure i'm not the only one 12.01.42 Quit Spida ("leaving") 12.01.46 # may I ask why? I don't see the point. 12.01.55 Join Spida [0] (i=Spida@p508A184D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.02.20 # it's a kind of compromise between rockbox's default behaviour and it's opposite 12.02.26 Quit Spida (Client Quit) 12.03.18 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.03.29 # Cassandra, if you want to add guidelines for the manual writing, please edit the wiki 12.03.47 # Nico_P: yes, but what's the value? it's both confusing and much more complex code 12.03.48 # it's nice to be able to perform some actions on a single keypress, but sometimes you just want to turn the bakclight on 12.04.03 Join Spida [0] (i=Spida@p508A184D.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 12.04.19 # I think it's very confusing if some keys work and some don't. consistency is important. 12.04.26 # yes... that's why i suggest first commiting a patch with a simple setting : "on/off" 12.04.34 # ok, good 12.04.44 # and then maybe trying to find a way of offering more choice 12.04.53 # right. 12.05.27 # ok so i'll make a simple version 12.05.39 # and have you looked at how it works ? 12.06.35 # yes, the principle is sound I think. and removing the H300-specific parts will make the patch much more elegant. 12.06.51 # ok 12.07.07 # possibly we may want this to be only for colour targets 12.07.26 # no, keep it totally generic 12.07.36 # or the ones that have a backlight 12.07.43 # it might be nice to have even for gray/bw targets: in the car at night for instance 12.07.44 # maybe they all have one ? 12.07.52 # afaik all targets have backlight 12.07.57 # ok 12.08.13 # Ondios haven't 12.08.16 # no 12.08.24 # Moos is correct 12.08.26 # ah. conditional on backlight then. 12.08.30 # ok 12.09.04 # Nico_P: I'd say conditional on backlight, plus the default should be different whether the lcd is readable w/o backlight or not 12.09.51 # so maybe default to on only for color screens ? 12.10.01 # and off for others... 12.10.48 # tucoz: OK - will do. 12.11.03 # Wish I knew what'd happened to the old ones. I suppose they're in the wiki somewhere. 12.11.04 # Nico_P: try that first 12.11.09 # * Zagor goes to lunch 12.11.26 # i'll probably have the patch ready by this evening 12.11.28 # Cassandra, wiki pages tend to disappear 12.14.41 # booorredd 12.15.30 # JdGordon: go write a plugin :) 12.15.36 # ok, ideas? 12.16.08 # JdGordon: text-to-speech reader: http://www.speech.cs.cmu.edu/flite/ 12.16.17 # has any1 looked at my text editor patch? i rekon it should be in 3.0 :D 12.16.23 # JdGordon, a lot of the old ones needs to be fixed to work better on the newer targets 12.16.31 # simple one : adding color to demystify 12.18.59 # no ? 12.19.17 # * JdGordon looking at demistify.c now 12.19.24 # :D 12.19.25 # although, dont we have enough demo plugins ? :p 12.19.33 Quit darkless (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.19.54 # maybe but it's all sad in B&W... color would look awesome ! 12.19.58 # or ... chess in colour :D 12.20.13 # chess is "colour"... b&w peices.. 12.20.37 # JdGordon: couldn't you tell I was joking? 12.20.44 # no.. 12.20.56 # JdGordon, add a trail to the ball in pong :-) It's useless on the h1xx as it is now 12.20.57 # ok, so whats a nice way to cycle through the colours? 12.21.42 # bbs 12.21.52 # i'd appreciate it if some ipod owner would test out voice ui now 12.21.58 # esepcially 5g and 4g 12.22.41 # preglow, how do you start rockbox on the ipods? i.e. what button do you press? 12.22.49 # tucoz: select or menu 12.22.56 # thanks 12.23.13 # Or should I say Ipods ;) 12.23.51 # hahah 12.23.54 # yes, i demand you cap that one word 12.24.01 # hehe 12.24.05 # i can't be bothered to use caps on irc myself 12.28.13 # are there no recent voice files anymore? 12.28.13 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-8a492f3b0fb3227f) 12.29.37 Quit Nico_P () 12.30.14 # and how do you turn of the ipods? 12.30.19 # off 12.31.00 # you hold down play (it's the same as the apple firmware) 12.31.13 # thanks 12.31.23 # It's for the manual in case you wonder 12.33.16 # preglow which voice file do I get? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VoiceFiles seems to indicate the files for cvs were removed 12.33.24 # Galois: exactly :/ 12.33.32 # Galois: there is no recent voice file 12.33.33 # which is bad 12.33.50 # a file should be made with some ms synth or whatever 12.36.11 Quit Bg3r (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 12.37.01 # or you could require that you send in a wav for 10 entries for every feature request you make 12.37.11 # hahaha 12.37.19 # Rockbox Allstars voice file 12.40.36 # mm I got voice for a brief second but when I plugged the USB cable back in to charge it (while holding down menu) the voice stopped 12.41.01 # and now when I play music I get the good old "Undefined instruction\ at 00015EA4" 12.41.49 # okay, I get undefined instruction whenever I play music 12.43.37 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.44.25 # this is on ipod nano with latest CVS and the four line battery patch and english_MSMary.zip. I don't think the battery patch matters ... 12.45.09 Join Bg3r [0] (n=Bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 12.45.15 # * JdGordon BACK 12.45.57 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 12.46.06 # does any1 wanna suggest a nice way of cycling the colours in demistify? 12.47.26 # preglow: I simply didn't make new voice files since my .lang rework is still only partially done 12.47.47 # I'll make some as soon as I got this done 12.50.55 # JdGordon: if there is a hsv2rgb function in rockbox you could use that and only cycle the hue and use full saturation and value 12.51.09 # i dont tihnk there is.. 12.51.12 # JdGordon: and if not i think someone had a patch for using that in the color picker so that patch should contain one 12.51.40 # http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/hsv.patch 12.52.20 # ok, ta 12.52.24 # ill have a look 12.52.31 # hsv2rgb is simple 12.52.40 # it's even easier if you can steal it :) 12.53.03 # that was markun's patch btw 12.54.32 # *yoink* 12.55.40 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 12.55.44 # maybe you could make saturation and/or value less than full for the trailing polygons 12.55.51 # not sure how they're drawn though 12.58.04 # amiconn: what's involved in the lang rework? 12.58.50 # Galois: what, which format? 12.58.51 # so, whats hsv white? 12.58.54 # lostlogic: i just realized backlight handling would be easier with the touch/untouch aware code, we can just make sure backlight isn't turned off while the finger is still on the wheel 12.58.56 # it's a quick hack 12.58.56 # Galois: and i assume you're using the very latest build? 12.59.13 # I did a cvs update like 15 minutes ago 12.59.25 # gimme a sec and i'll test 12.59.37 # oh, my music is in the vorbis file format 12.59.52 # JdGordon: any hue, saturation 0 and value 1 13.00.02 # JdGordon: if the scale goes from 0 to 1 13.00.21 # what does the scale normally go from? 13.00.58 # the scale used in that code is listed at the top 13.01.03 # suggestion for shorter name than "HAVE_READABLE_SCREEN_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT"? maybe HAVE_READABLE_SCREEN? 13.01.25 # HAVE_UNLIT_READABLE_SCREEN maybe 13.01.47 # shorter ?:) 13.01.57 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953bf.pool.mediaWays.net) 13.02.07 # isn't HAVE_UNLIT_READABLE_SCREEN shorter than HAVE_READABLE_SCREEN_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT? 13.02.16 # yes 13.02.31 # but longer than HAVE_READABLE_SCREEN 13.02.46 # but that doesn't mention the light, HAVE_SCREEN is also shorter :P 13.02.50 # aargghh 13.02.50 # i don't mind long macro names in this case 13.02.51 # now what 13.02.55 # my ipod wont bloody play music 13.03.11 # what, why would you want to play music? you're supposed to write code 13.03.14 # preglow: no, but it is trendy 13.03.32 # THERE it comes 13.03.38 # after buffering for a bloody day and a half 13.03.45 # so yours works? 13.04.10 # 'works', no, i wouldn't say that 13.04.26 # LinusN so, what do you suggest as define ? 13.04.37 # preglow the same error happens on an unmodified CVS build 13.04.48 # Undefined instruction at 000178D0 13.04.49 # HAVE_READABLE_SCREEN_WITHOUT_BACKLIGHT is fine for me 13.04.54 # Galois: on all files? 13.05.03 # everything I try 13.05.17 # maybe HAVE_READABLE_SCREEN_WO_BACKLIGHT 13.05.41 # all my files are vorbis aotuv q-1 (like this matters) 13.05.42 # mine plays music fine 13.05.45 # but mp3 seems to be heavily borked 13.05.56 # the bloody change i did yesterday can't have broken it 13.05.56 # argh 13.06.34 # yup, it pretty much has to 13.08.17 # someone please tell me how that is possible 13.08.24 # I put an mp3 on it, same error 13.08.35 Nick solexx_ is now known as solexx (n=jrschulz@d028005.adsl.hansenet.de) 13.08.53 # Bg3r: HAVE_R_S_WO_BL ? 13.09.07 # amiconn: :-) 13.09.44 # this macro will only be used in an #ifdef clause on its own line, so it doesn't matter if it is long 13.10.17 # [07:17:09] We're now having some 64bit sims among the sim builds.... 13.10.18 # [07:17:31] Actually only one in the last 3 rounds so far 13.10.26 # that's because I assed the sdl target later in your list 13.10.36 # so it only does them when there are some left :) 13.11.34 # * preglow looks forward to the spurious and confusing 64 bit related warnings in the build table.. 13.12.53 # Galois: your unit actually crashes? 13.12.57 # Galois: that doesn't happen here 13.12.59 # yeah, have to reset 13.13.45 # ARGH 13.13.55 # i don't have time for this 13.15.00 # t0mas: That's also because the first builds take rather long. ccache has to fill up 13.15.06 # yes 13.15.20 # Btw, I don't see a problem extending the max. ccache size a bit 13.15.41 # (dunno whether that helps) 13.15.56 # LinusN and now a name for the actual var ? 13.16.03 # It seems ccache stabilised at ~300MB for all SH1 + arm target builds 13.16.15 # LinusN: HAVE_LÄSBAR_SLÄCKT_SKÄRM is shorter :) 13.16.21 # amiconn: ccache --help 13.16.26 # there is an option to show what the limit is 13.16.49 # you can set it higher if you want. Some people have it lower, because not all servers have that much diskspace 13.16.49 # Bg3r: global_settings.ignore_first_button perhaps? 13.17.12 # preglow, I built it on my x86 machine, and it suddenly works now 13.17.24 # LinusN this doesn't tell anything about the backlight ... 13.17.32 # and? 13.18.17 # fst_key_backlight ? 13.18.23 # Galois: how works? 13.18.30 # does it play mp3s still? 13.18.33 # preglow, haven't had a chance to look at it again yet, but I suspect it's outputting 'backwards' values (i.e. 1 == LONG_MIN) 13.18.42 # 'cause it sure as hell doesn't here 13.18.45 # oh I didn't test mp3s. It plays vorbis normally. 13.18.59 # safetydan: weird... 13.19.01 # * Galois contaminates his ipod with an mp3 to test 13.19.53 # how do you move up and down in the file browser on the ipods? 13.20.00 # wheel 13.20.05 # Up down? 13.20.09 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 13.20.13 # mp3 works too 13.20.14 # you wheel it ;-) 13.20.15 # backwards on the wheel = up 13.20.19 # Well 0.999999993 comes out as 0x8000000e... which I think is backwards 13.20.20 # Galois: eh... 13.20.44 # safetydan: if the first is the input, then the answer should be almost zero 13.20.46 # i.e \ButtonScrollFwd and \ButtonScrollBack 13.20.53 # and is almost zero 13.21.00 # it's -0.00000something 13.21.08 # Bg3r: why does the variable name have to have a reference to the backlight? 13.22.30 # fsin(0) == 0x00000009 at the moment... 13.22.51 # safetydan: heh, at least it's close 13.23.58 # Galois: ogg works just fine here 13.24.41 # I only tested one mp3 file 13.24.51 # i've tested tons 13.24.55 # it locks up with a disk access symbol 13.24.55 # well 13.24.57 # not locks up 13.25.00 # but the audio stops 13.25.20 # didn't you change some codec iram things? 13.25.35 # no 13.25.46 # i corrected some in playback.c 13.25.53 # but that just made voice ui work 13.25.55 # and it did work 13.25.57 # ah 13.26.00 # yeah voice works fine 13.26.13 # Galois: not here 13.26.18 # and guess why, voice clips are mp3 13.26.54 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.11 : http://kopete.kde.org") 13.27.12 # any other ipod people could test mp3? :/ 13.27.27 # what is MINUS/PLUS on the player? 13.27.27 Quit elinenbe_work ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.27.38 # * Mikachu cvs up 13.28.38 # Paprica: you don't need BUTTON_REL on TETRIS_DROP for ipods, the issue with restart is just that it sleeps before you quit, the drop doesn't matter 13.29.10 # it works in cvs........ 13.29.13 # Is that BUTTON_LEFT and BUTTON_RIGHT? 13.29.17 # please tell me this is a gcc 4.1 bug 13.29.38 # preglow: if it works in cvs what exactly did you want me to test? 13.30.04 # nothing, apparently 13.30.16 # okay, done 13.30.23 # I can help you test nothing too 13.30.26 # ;-P 13.30.39 # ahahaha 13.30.45 # voice ui playback doesn't work when audio is paused 13.31.45 # well.. that took way longer than nesacacery... 13.33.07 # B4gder: how can I create a sticky forum entry? 13.33.19 # an admin needs to stick it 13.33.20 # We should say something about requesting new targets.. 13.33.29 # yes 13.33.53 # preglow, how do you move to parent dir on the ipod? 13.34.27 # oh f*** me! 13.34.34 # i'm such an idiot sometimes 13.34.39 # tucoz: yes 13.34.39 # tucoz: press prev 13.34.51 # Ok, thanks both of you 13.36.20 # tucoz: The simulator UI bitmaps should be a good button reference 13.36.33 # i wonder how the volume adjustment method on ipod sits with blind people 13.36.38 # i'd think it'd be a nightmare 13.36.38 # amiconn, ok. 13.39.01 # all ipods 3g are b/w, aren't they ? 13.39.14 # are with b&w screen... 13.39.33 # #define LCD_DEPTH 2 /* 4 colours - 2bpp */ 13.39.43 # says config-ipod3g.h 13.40.03 # How do you play a file, or move deeper into the filetree on the ipods? 13.40.12 # SELECT 13.40.16 # thanks 13.40.22 # possibly right too, i'll check 13.40.34 # B4gder yeah, 10q, the silly part is that i'm looking into this file right now ... 13.40.42 # haha 13.40.54 # tucoz: yeah, right works too 13.40.59 # ok, good 13.42.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.43.44 # which of the color ipods have readable screen w/o backlight ? 13.43.56 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp60-adsl-185.ath.forthnet.gr) 13.44.03 # i'd say the nano is hardly readable without a strong lamp 13.44.10 # how readable do you insist on? 13.44.15 # nano practically requires sunlight 13.44.18 # or possibly in daylight 13.44.26 # i'm usually not out in sunlight :P 13.45.04 # yeah, in sweden you only get to do that during summer 13.45.08 # readable enough to not use the first "keypress" by default for turning on the backlight 13.45.09 # and we love that day 13.45.21 # B4gder: heh, it's a bit better here in the south 13.45.28 # Mikachu, and to get to the WPS if a file is playing is that play? 13.45.30 # B4gder :D 13.45.45 # tucoz: yeah, from the filebrower 13.45.49 # ok 13.45.50 Join tenzing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 13.46.53 # I recommend turning on the backlight automatically 13.47.18 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 13.47.19 # Bg3r: hm? the backlight is turned on when you touch the wheel basically 13.47.24 # May I ask what centering on the recorders and ondio is? 13.47.57 # or simply, how to get to wps (if a file is playing) on the ondios and recorders 13.48.06 # recorder: ON 13.48.12 # ondio: MODE 13.48.21 # thanks 13.48.22 # Mikachu s/not use/ eat 13.49.16 # hm? 13.49.24 # you want it to ignore the first wheel touch? 13.50.15 # so any idea how can I build the sim from the VMware image? 13.50.21 # t0mas: as you might've seen we no longer copy the zip files for non-bleeding files in the distributed build 13.50.32 # nice 13.50.56 # XavierGr: You need to install libsdl-dev 13.51.08 # ..and I believe sdl requires X 13.51.21 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.51.27 # and you'd need to run the sim from the linux VM 13.51.33 # oh shite! 13.51.33 # so you'd need to run an X server 13.51.48 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.52.27 # B4gder: Should be possible to use ssh to tunnel X to the host and use the cygwin X server 13.52.34 # sure 13.52.36 # then I should download the whole Gnome Package 13.52.39 # (but that's rather slow) 13.52.40 # that's what I meant 13.53.11 # well there is no point to it if it is slow 13.53.21 # but you can run it within the linux VM entirely 13.53.24 # the vmware image is handy for its spped 13.53.25 # and that will be faster 13.54.05 # does the Gnome package contains X server? 13.54.06 Nick tenzing is now known as tianjing (n=mat@jullay.net) 13.54.15 # (and libsdl?) 13.54.16 # you don't need gnome 13.54.21 # yeah I know 13.54.23 # but... 13.54.36 # well presumable gnome requires X 13.54.37 # x server alone with the window management is 150 MB 13.54.46 # Gnome is 600MB 13.55.10 # Well, you need at least a window manager. That could be gnome 13.55.12 # which is why I mentioned you don't need gnome 13.55.19 # the "gnome" metapackage includes lots of apps aswell. you don't need all that. 13.55.24 # I guess that the image that is destributed must be updated to contain X and sdl pre-installed 13.55.28 # XavierGr: Do you have a flatrate? 13.55.36 # 384kBps 13.55.39 # kbps 13.55.54 # Yes, but as long as it's flat it's just a matter of time 13.56.01 # yes 13.56.22 # flat out slow? 13.56.24 # ;) 13.56.24 # How do you enter the filemenu on the ondio and ipods? 13.56.27 # indeed 13.56.38 # tucoz: filemenu? 13.56.46 # you can compile windows binaries from linux 13.56.48 # yes, on the irivers it's hold select 13.56.52 # Do you mean the context menu in the file browser? 13.56.54 # hehe 13.56.55 # yes 13.57.02 # Ondio: Hold RIGHT 13.57.08 # It's called filemenu in the 2.4 docs 13.57.14 # ah ok 13.57.27 # strange, didn't remember that 13.58.10 # its because it only existed in the file browser back then 13.58.16 # so it wasn't really a context menu 13.58.47 # ah I was wrong Gnome is 200MB 13.58.48 # Mikachu, how do you enter the context menu in the filebrowser on the ipods? 13.58.54 # 600MB when unpackaged 13.59.00 # hold select 13.59.23 # XavierGr: but as Zagor said, you get about 300MB of bonus crap you can remove again 13.59.40 # like all sorts of apps you won't use 13.59.44 # There's a gnome-core package that excludes many apps 14.00.01 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.00.03 # 70MB 14.00.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 14.00.47 # I hope that the package is saved somewhere in the Virtual DIsk. I can't afford to download all these again. 14.01.03 # and I will install zip cvs utils and patch that it is missing 14.01.24 # the image definitely must be updated. No sim no fun. 14.01.31 # well 14.01.36 # with sim it grows a lot 14.02.05 # Mikachu, menu to enter the main menu? 14.02.07 # adding X and sdl will no doubt increase its size by many megabytes 14.02.08 # yes but without the sim it is not a complete developer board. Many users will be daunted. 14.02.13 # tucoz: yes 14.02.16 # possibly 14.02.18 # Cygwin will still be needed 14.02.23 # ?! 14.02.30 # cygwin is not a full package either 14.02.36 # you install the packages you want 14.02.42 # we can offer both versions 14.02.43 # and so can you with the vmware one 14.03.03 # yes but it is complete for someone that folows the wiki instructions 14.03.04 # B4gder, on the X5, how do you enter the main menu? 14.03.17 # tucoz: long press on PLAY 14.03.33 # short press resumes 14.03.49 # ok 14.04.10 # but don't bother too much with x5 details yet 14.04.19 # they may need to be moved around a bit 14.04.41 # this setup was made "blindly" to get things to build 14.05.16 # no, I do not care _that_ much. I just enter what is needed to make the manual compile for all the targets 14.05.22 # ah, ok 14.07.34 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 14.09.23 # How do you perform paged browsing on the ondio and ipods? 14.09.34 # you don't 14.09.36 # i think 14.09.38 # ok 14.10.05 # for ipods it should presumably not be needed with wheel 'acceleration' 14.10.12 # ah, I see 14.10.29 # amiconn, on the ondio then? (paged browsing) 14.10.52 # and maybe x5 as well 14.11.08 # LinusN btw, why not move the rockbox.iriver to the .rockbox dir for the release ? 14.11.18 # nevermind about the x5. I put a n/a there for now 14.11.26 # I don't know for x5 14.11.31 # Bg3r: good idea 14.11.33 # n/a :) 14.11.44 # yeps 14.12.34 Join austriancoder [0] (n=austrian@natpool1.nat.uclv.net) 14.13.43 Quit bluebrother^ ("Leaving") 14.14.44 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-110-010.pools.arcor-ip.net) 14.17.49 # it looks like the tlv320 doesn't support settings like bass, ... 14.18.34 # "oh no" 14.19.15 # hmm 14.19.16 # i look at the datasheet, but at the moment i can find anything 14.19.23 # should we add some simple eq shelving filters to emulate it, though? 14.19.42 # or should we instead just ask people to use the full eq? 14.20.33 # dont know what is the best way... 14.20.39 # making some simple first order shelving filters shouldn't be hard 14.20.46 # as a matter of fact, i need to do it anyway, for the new crossfeed 14.21.12 # okay, iirc amiconn said, that only ondios don't have backlight... the user_settings struct has all backlight vars on it too (they're not ifdef-ed). However, many plugins use them directly (without checking ifdef CONFIG_BACKLIGHT). 14.21.26 # s/on it/on them 14.22.33 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 14.22.59 # How do you play a file or move deeper into the filetree on the ondios? 14.23.05 # should i ifdef them both in the struct and in all plugins using the vars, or should i leave them as is 14.23.08 # * preglow fetches his sedra&smith book 14.23.50 # how can i access output of DEBUGF calls? 14.23.57 # simulator or gdb stub 14.25.20 # or convert them to logf() calls and view/dump the logf buffer 14.25.42 # B4gder: that sounds much better.. will try it 14.26.02 # B4gder: any reason we haven't converted debugfs to logfs? 14.26.17 # I can't think of any good reason 14.26.32 # me neither 14.26.34 # and while we're at it 14.26.43 # convert LOGF macro to take a struct pointer as a parameter' 14.26.52 # so we don't need to keep both rb and ci variables 14.27.09 # implicitly assuming a variable name is nastiness anyway 14.29.00 # any of you electronics people got the s-domain transfer function for first order shelving filters lying around? 14.29.31 # shelving filters ? 14.30.08 # yyeah 14.30.28 # never heard of shelving filters ? 14.30.38 # s/?// 14.30.43 # you know, like ordinary high/lowpass filters, just that they don't cut towards 0 14.31.05 # 0db at DC then shelving towards -12db at higher freqs 14.31.13 # B4gder: must i build rockbox in Debug mode, or can i use Normal mode? 14.31.33 # you must enable logf 14.31.33 # preglow: whay do you need them in the s domain ? 14.31.38 # in the devel option in configure 14.31.43 # merbanan: so i can transform them to the z-domain 14.32.36 # preglow: so what you actually need is a first order digital IIR filter ? 14.32.44 # merbanan: yup 14.32.53 # merbanan: i assume that's what the codec chips use, at least 14.33.27 # merbanan: the way to get good parameterisable digital filters is usually to start with an analogue one 14.34.20 # i believe i've found what i need 14.36.31 # preglow: I always cheated with matlab when I needed filters 14.36.49 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-53-52.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.37.01 # merbanan: can't do that here :/ 14.37.09 # B4gder: i cant find logf in developer menu in rockbox 14.37.10 # need to design them from scratch 14.37.42 # in configure, not rockbox 14.37.57 # ah okay 14.38.02 # preglow: what is the intended use of the filters ? 14.38.16 # B4gder: found it 14.39.51 # merbanan: equalisation 14.40.03 # merbanan: or in this case, just good old bass and treble boost 14.41.55 # ok, then I'm of no help :) never did something like that, but the web must be full of that kind of info 14.42.03 # * austriancoder fixes logfdisp.c for x5 14.42.03 # i've got it nailed anyway 14.42.11 # found the transfer function i need in my electronics book 14.42.32 # preglow: so retro with books :) 14.42.33 # preglow: if someone had nothing better to do, would it be possible to link the backlight to the uv meters? 14.42.33 # just need the z transform it 14.42.43 # Mikachu: i believe someone's already done it 14.42.46 # oh 14.42.53 # for playback too? 14.42.54 # there once was such a patch at least 14.43.06 # for playback, yes 14.43.08 # of course it's possible 14.43.15 # you've got the brightness control 14.43.17 # well, the uv meters look a bit laggy 14.43.19 # just pulse it like you want 14.43.22 # preglow what are you working on atm? 14.43.31 # i meant if it's possible to do it nicely without being steppy 14.44.02 # Bg3r: real work, i'm just taking a break to find out how to design shelving filters for the new crossfeed (and possible bass and treble boost for the units that don't have that in hardware) 14.44.22 # Mikachu: you'd need to filter the control signal before using it to control the backlight, but sure 14.44.28 # Mikachu: i imagine it'd work just nice 14.44.32 # okay 14.44.47 # a simple moving average would probably do very well 14.44.56 # or you could just run with a really low battery and the loud sound would lower the voltage on the backlight 14.45.35 # semms dsp.c is broken for x5: dsp.c:531: error: can't find a register in class `ADDR_REGS' while reloading `asm' 14.45.42 # what workaround should i do? 14.46.39 # -fomit-frame-pointer 14.46.44 # to the gcc 14.46.57 # argh, fuck it 14.46.59 # or use the C ver of the function 14.47.03 # i'm hereby moving that to dsp_cf.S 14.47.05 # any protests 14.47.11 # ? <- 14.47.31 # no 14.47.37 # none here 14.47.47 # just do it (tm) 14.47.55 # woo! my cordic sincos seems towrk 14.48.00 # safetydan: ! 14.48.03 # work even 14.48.10 # well it doesn't sound like a bag of shit anyway :) 14.48.14 # :D 14.48.19 # okay... will use the C Version 14.48.33 # Haven't had a chance to check the effect on the accuracy of the peak filter coef calculations yet 14.49.35 # safetydan: it should be better by far 14.51.55 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 14.52.09 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.53.35 # preglow, I have to do some other things right now, but here's a patch if you want to look http://iocaine.org/eq-cordic-sin.patch 14.55.06 # how should i redefine this: #if defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && !defined(SIMULATOR).. its in dsp.c 524 14.55.18 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.55.32 # for x5 14.55.39 # x5 is coldfire 14.55.52 # i know 14.56.19 # so? 14.56.23 # but the part defined in the #if defined(CPU_COLDFIRE) && !defined(SIMULATOR) dosn't compile for me 14.56.51 # dsp.c:531: error: can't find a register in class `ADDR_REGS' while reloading `asm' 14.56.55 # well that isn't because of the ifdefs 14.57.00 # maybe its my fault.. dont know 14.57.36 # do you use -fomit-frame-pointer ? 14.57.58 # no 14.58.02 # the problem is enabled with the logf build I believe 14.58.02 # safetydan: will try 14.58.40 # austriancoder just change the #if so that part won't compile 14.59.16 # ehh, line 52, dsp.c 14.59.29 # looks like that define isn't as according to the comment at all... 14.59.45 # * B4gder has to dash 14.59.47 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 15.00.02 # i have added -fomit-frame-pointer to gcc and it compiles now 15.03.17 # LinusN: tlv320_write_reg is broken.. logf told it me 15.03.46 # hardly surprising, since it hasn't been tested 15.09.35 # * preglow sorely wants a coldfire compiler for his dev box... 15.10.51 Join arf-arf [0] (i=arf-arf@bb-87-82-0-127.ukonline.co.uk) 15.11.46 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-fac348504ddedb19) 15.12.00 Join lamed [0] (n=554018b5@labb.contactor.se) 15.12.19 # how do I initialize the sim in linux? 15.12.33 # XavierGr "initialize"?? 15.12.38 # start 15.12.43 # ./rockboxui 15.12.43 # you run it 15.13.02 # hello everyone! 15.13.09 # wow you should see that! 15.13.09 # can someone please help me out with this? 15.13.10 # http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YuqAap20.html 15.13.18 # preglow: how was it, did the coldfire support 32*32 >>32 muls ? 15.13.31 # i'm trying to 'make zip' using 3.14 devkit... but i can't. 15.14.02 # complete mess of the sim 15.14.13 # it compiled cleanly but linux crashed 15.15.08 Quit Rondom (No route to host) 15.15.14 # I suppose that I can't take the binary and run it on windows right? 15.16.07 # lamed, I don't think the devkit is what you should use anyway 15.16.32 # preglow: voice ui still crash ipod during playback? 15.16.42 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-118-024.pools.arcor-ip.net) 15.17.44 # what is the recommended thing to use for development on windows? 15.17.57 # tucoz: i've been using it forever... but only at the last time i'm having a few problems. could you take a look at that link? is it perl that's broken? 15.18.43 # lamed, I have no idea what is wrong. I have never used the devkit. 15.19.05 # sorry 15.20.11 # mmmm... 15.20.12 # I think the new vmware image is probably better than the devkit, although I've never used either one 15.20.16 # There are other, better options these days. 1) Cygwin packages of all the compilers 2) a virtual machine for use with vmware player 15.20.50 # lamed, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 15.21.11 # lamed, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 15.22.43 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 15.23.02 # tucoz: interesting,.. i wasn't aware of vmware at all. but for now it's way more complex to have it installed. 15.23.09 # (darn he's out) 15.23.13 # x5: i want to view a jpeg i see the rockbox logo 15.23.25 # can someone take a look why can't i make zip for some reason? 15.23.26 Quit Aditya ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 15.23.29 # http://www.rafb.net/paste/results/YuqAap20.html 15.24.13 # wow 15.24.37 # lamed: do yourself a favor and drop the devkit' 15.24.50 # merbanan: it supports 64 bit muls, yes 15.24.53 # lostlogic: works now 15.25.35 # bye all 15.25.39 Part austriancoder ("Kopete 0.11 : http://kopete.kde.org") 15.25.45 # preglow: damn, that means my attempted correction of codec swapping broke it :-P 15.26.35 # linusn: i'm just trying to keep my patches up to date now with recent cvs activities... I am sufffering from a sever lack of pcs where i'm at. so i'm just trying to get a nice working zipfile. could you pretty please help me out..? 15.27.37 # lamed: i have no idea how to fix the errors in your log 15.27.53 # then i am doomed. 15.28.07 # lostlogic: how correct? 15.31.08 # preglow: the implementation currently used is one of those places where the philosophy of throwing around locks and praying was used instead of a correct use of semaphore logic to ensure a codec switch 15.31.21 # preglow: and I'm in the process of working on all such places in the swcodec playback 15.31.43 # lostlogic: i am incredible relieved to hear that 15.32.11 # * preglow nominates lostlogic for sainthood 15.32.45 # have anyone tested voice on the 5g? 15.32.53 # i can't imagine why it wouldn't work, but yeah 15.33.44 # preglow: I hadn't tested it until after changing the swap codec, I'll do that later... once I at least make an appearance at work. 15.33.52 # preglow: it worked fine w/o playback though. 15.36.22 # ahh, yes, the work thing 15.36.25 # i need to get back to that 15.37.07 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 15.37.10 # lamed you must try the VMware image, though you will have a hard time running the sim. But you can compile very fast normal firmware 15.37.55 # xaviergr: i haven't slept for days... i'm just trying to get a working fw... 15.37.55 Join Aditya [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 15.38.12 # and you probably won't with the devkit 15.38.25 # now if i just had some semblance of self control 15.39.21 # lamed: you haven't slept for days trying to compile? 15.40.05 # anyway if you have a fast internet connection and you want a firmware ASAP, follow the instruction on the VMware imsage wiki page. 15.40.19 # lamed: what target do you want? 15.41.19 # nah, i was just back from the army few hours ago. since then i had to fix a few bugs, like having some electric shorts and internet failiure... 15.41.34 # mikachu: i'm trying to build with a bundle of my own patches, thanks :) 15.41.52 # patches can be sent 15.41.55 Join Spida_ [0] (i=Spida@p508A24AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.42.15 # badabing badaboom, firmware 15.42.36 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.43.18 # xaviergr: i at least hope compile time is much faster :/ 15.43.49 # right now i'm reinstalling perl and zip 15.43.56 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=steve-o@adsl-67-64-104-98.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 15.44.11 # it will probably f#$%k everything right up 15.46.27 # lamed what patches ? 15.46.42 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd45f.f.strato-dslnet.de) 15.46.50 Part LinusN 15.47.42 # hi all 15.49.07 # playlist catalog / crossfade enabled on manual track change / i'm not sure what else. i think some changes to brickmania & star are applied. 15.49.17 # it... looks like it's working! 15.49.33 # lamed, are you eli? 15.49.57 # yes... finally! 15.50.00 # tucoz: nope 15.50.03 # ok 15.50.06 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 15.51.52 # safetydan: your fsincos isn't 64 bit safe :-) 15.52.04 Quit Spida (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.52.06 # reinstalling perl did it. 15.57.15 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 15.57.32 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 15.59.50 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 16.00.44 Quit XavierGr ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 16.02.39 # * preglow hands safetydan the sweet, sweet cookie of success 16.03.18 # yum, that sounds tasty 16.04.41 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484DC8C.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.06.10 # my mouth is watering. 16.06.44 # preglow: can't you just use libm in the sim? 16.07.08 # Mikachu: wouldn't that defeat, say, the entire point? 16.07.24 # maybe 16.07.40 # i want to test his trig functions, not libms :-) 16.07.51 Join webguest22 [0] (n=51b2ec9a@labb.contactor.se) 16.07.55 Part webguest22 16.08.08 Join Nico_P [0] (i=Nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.08.17 Join safetydan [0] (n=51b2ec9a@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 16.08.18 # tucoz: No paged browsing on Ondio. For one there are too few buttons. Then it's also not strictly necessary, since there can't be that many files on an Ondio 16.08.58 # Woo! Cookies! 16.09.09 # are you guys aware you can still select a song from the active playlist and aburptly and the played track? 16.09.10 # amiconn, ok. thanks 16.09.17 # I guess I need to use int32t and uint32t then? 16.09.22 # safetydan: just tested 60hz, seems to work fine 16.09.28 # safetydan: the coefs differ in only a couple of bits 16.09.46 # heh... bye all 16.10.02 # safetydan: and in a lot of cases, they are 100% correct 16.10.05 # not a bit wrong 16.10.09 # which is more than i would have expected 16.10.10 # tucoz: Up & Down to move through file lists, Right to enter a dir or play a file, Left to go back one level 16.10.28 # safetydan: it almost made med suspicous... 16.10.28 # amiconn, did you look at my changes? 16.10.33 Quit Jungti1234 () 16.10.56 Join quobl_ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-de866ecbabc9df99) 16.11.02 # safetydan: even 20hz is balls on accurate 16.11.07 # since select and next do the same thing in filebrowser on ipods, couldn't one of them be context menu instead? 16.11.24 # or do you want to support both ipodders coming to rockbox and rockboxers coming to ipod? 16.11.39 # Well, I would hope the cordic stuff worked since it's been around since 1952 :) 16.11.55 # My only other concern was speed 16.12.01 # oh, to hell with speed 16.12.05 # as long as it's accurate 16.12.31 # i don't think it's very slow anyway 16.14.40 # what code is it for again, eq? 16.14.40 # amiconn, I'll change them now 16.14.42 # preglow, so commit? 16.14.42 # Hrm... web client is teh suck. 16.14.42 # amiconn, how do you go to the wps if a file is playing? 16.14.42 # mode? 16.14.42 # Short Mode 16.14.43 # safetydan: btw, the atan table entries, were they rounded before they were saved as ints? 16.14.43 # ok, thanks 16.14.43 # Same for going back to the browser 16.14.51 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 16.15.40 # safetydan: you or me? 16.15.50 Quit markun (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 16.15.50 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.15.50 # safetydan: i was planning on doing a target test first, though 16.15.54 # * Kyomi|off wonders when MIDI will be able to run and the iRiver sound page will be updated 16.16.05 # Kyomi|off: don't expect midi for a while 16.16.14 # no, no rounding 16.16.21 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 16.16.24 # argh 16.16.29 Nick Kyomi|off is now known as Kyomi (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 16.16.43 # But didn't a guy work on it for that Doom thing> 16.16.45 # ?* 16.16.54 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-53-52.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.17.07 # Ah yes, target test is probably a good idea. 16.17.07 # safetydan: you expect that might have an impact? 16.17.17 # You can commit if you want. I won't be in Linux for a while 16.17.28 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.17.40 # Now everyone can always be in Linux thanks to the VMware image. ;) 16.17.45 # safetydan: okeydoke 16.17.49 # Rounding? I'm not sure. I can't imagine it will have a large effect 16.18.02 # safetydan: it had a measurable effect on the first cordic code you did 16.18.20 # btw, winamp can convert midi files to mp3. 16.18.34 # (Although it has to play them all to do it.) 16.18.34 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-53-52.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.19.31 # Cassandra: timidity does just that (to wave, you take it from there ;) 16.20.11 # Cassandra: ah and I just see it supports directly outputting to ogg 16.20.18 # preglow: measurable in what way? Better precision or speed? 16.20.33 # I can obviously redo the table generation if it will be better to round 16.20.47 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 16.20.47 NJoin markun [0] (n=markun@bastards.student.ipv6.utwente.nl) 16.21.00 # dpro: Good to know. 16.21.34 # Cassandra: But... you dont get the nostalgic feeling of MIDI though :( 16.21.50 # Which is exactly why I wont convert my SID/tracker files :P 16.22.01 # Although... SIDs need to end... eventually ^^; 16.23.33 # Wow. Wired manage to get three things wrong about Rockbox in two sentences. 16.23.51 Quit tianjing (Remote closed the connection) 16.24.02 # timidity doesn't support soundfonts i think though 16.24.04 # safetydan: precision 16.24.04 # safetydan: we'll try it later, i'll just go ahead and commit it 16.24.04 # i can bloody hear it's better 16.24.05 DBUG Enqueued KICK preglow 16.24.05 # 160kbps mp3 and 5 eq band, and the ipod struggles as hell... 16.24.05 # a sad sight 16.24.16 # Mikachu: it does 16.24.20 # oh 16.24.21 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 16.24.30 # i haven't looked at it in many years :) 16.25.00 # Cassandra: which? 16.25.56 Quit safetydan ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 16.26.10 # preglow, happy now? I moved the wps-tags and config file options to the appendix 16.26.37 # i was about to comment on that 16.26.40 # http://wiredblogs.tripod.com/gadgets/index.blog?entry_id=1441556 probably 16.27.22 # Cassandra: in their defense, those two sentences are very long :P 16.28.21 # looks very nice 16.28.22 # well, the options need some separation in terms of what kind of option they represent 16.28.22 # That table is huge 16.29.32 # tucoz: But that's where they used to be. 16.29.42 # tucoz: is the picture on the frontpage supposed to only say box? 16.30.06 # Cassandra, really? Not from the writer2latex output 16.30.17 # Has Rockbox been in development for 4 or 5 years. I thought it was five, but the mailing list has only been operational for 4 and a bit. 16.30.40 # Cassandra, anyway they are back where they belong now 16.30.48 # tucoz: Where did it put them? Possibly they were in Advanced Topics. 16.31.08 # yes, that's where they were 16.31.14 # (My memory may be crapping out on me.) 16.31.29 # They're better in the Appendices anyway. Good call. 16.31.42 # That's preglows idea 16.33.26 # hurray for me! hurray for preglow! 16.33.39 # anyway, in my defense it should be said that mp3 playback is just dog slow in itself on ipod 16.33.42 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 16.33.42 # * tucoz crowns preglow king for today 16.33.43 # hurray for the norwegian guy 16.33.55 # no wait, that's not in my defense at all :/ 16.34.05 # too late 16.34.18 # it's already logged 16.34.35 # hahahah 16.34.38 # ogg is faster than mp3 16.34.39 # narly 16.37.34 # where how is ogg faster than mp3? 16.37.39 # * Cassandra posts corrections to the wired article. 16.37.55 # lostlogic: on ipod 16.38.07 # lostlogic: It has more jam in it, therefore less friction, therefore faster. 16.38.09 # vorbis decodes faster than mp3 at 192kbps 16.38.20 # preglow: whack 16.38.33 # preglow: I <3 my music at 192kbps 16.38.47 # i prefer vbr 16.38.55 # I'd try to convert them all if not for the fact I'm lzy 16.38.57 # lazy* 16.39.32 # that's one weird blurb. ha can't have read much of the site before writing it. 16.40.19 Join webguest60 [0] (n=5087fc43@labb.contactor.se) 16.40.33 # Hmm. I think Wired ate my comment. 16.41.35 # How do you move around in the vkeyboard on ipod? 16.41.42 # I would like to create a .m3u of all my albums, I have tried with these switches dir /b/ad >All-Albums.m3u no joy, any ideas ? 16.42.13 # webguest60, do it within Rockbox. 16.42.40 Quit webguest60 (Client Quit) 16.42.40 Join webguest60 [0] (n=5087fc43@labb.contactor.se) 16.42.41 # What player do you use? 16.43.04 # How do you move around in the vkeyboard on ondio? 16.43.11 Quit webguest60 (Client Quit) 16.43.42 Join webguest46 [0] (n=5087fc43@labb.contactor.se) 16.44.48 # oops, Cassandra, Rbox creates a list of all individual tracks, not indivudual albums 16.44.52 # With difficulty, I guess. Amiconn would know. 16.45.09 # Oh, sorry. 16.45.17 # probably. I'll just fix the rest, and leave the ondio assignments wrong for now 16.45.25 # you can only have files in a playlist... 16.45.35 # webguest46: playlists must include files, not directories 16.45.50 Quit nobelium (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.45.56 Quit bonzi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.45.58 # a playlist is simply a collection of links to files 16.46.03 # hmm, so no way of creating a playlist for albums only ? 16.46.10 # I'm somewhat confused as to why you'd do that if you had an album per directory. 16.46.23 # Just go to the directory and play the first file. 16.46.24 # for album shuffle playback 16.46.41 # Turn on shuffle before you play the first file in that case. 16.46.54 # he wants to play tracks in one album in order, but select which album randomly 16.47.01 # no cassandra, I would like random albums not randon tracks 16.47.09 # Oh, right. Duh. Excuse me. 16.47.18 # which i think you can't currently 16.47.29 Nick Spida_ is now known as Spida (i=Spida@p508A24AA.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.47.35 # Certainly not from within Rockbox. 16.47.48 # there must be a way, I keep digging 16.48.30 # you'll have to dig all the way to a C tutorial 16.48.48 # I guess it's doable with a perl script 16.49.14 # I think some tagging programs have the ability, maybe even foobar 16.49.27 # gather directories in random order, and add the files from within the directory to a playlist 16.49.49 # sure, but you get the same random order every time 16.50.00 # or I manually append .m3u to each files name :) 16.50.16 Quit lamed ("CGI:IRC") 16.50.25 # you can't have .m3u files in a playlist currently 16.50.34 # and even if you could, they would still be loaded into a linear playlist 16.50.39 # unless you moved a lot of stuff around 16.50.46 # ehm... 16.50.47 # * webguest46 sighs 16.50.48 # i think i saw a patch regarding this 16.50.52 # no, that m3u trick might be the solution 16.50.59 # there is a patch to allow sub playlists iirc 16.51.08 # you can add the playlist from every dir to 1 big list 16.51.18 # then set that big list to play shuffeled 16.51.24 # i meant current cvs only 16.51.48 # t0mas, thats what I was thinking, it should work 16.52.21 # * webguest46 doesn't relish the thought of renaming 600 files manually 16.52.49 # why would you even get the idea to do that manually? 16.53.09 # I'll give you one guess :> 16.53.20 # preglow: voice on 5g works as well as on H3x0 until I break it. 16.54.38 # thanks for the info, 16.54.41 Part webguest46 16.55.27 Nick Kyomi is now known as Kyomi|off (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 16.56.11 # tucoz: Using the vkeyboard on Ondio is easy to do one handed. It uses a mode concept. 16.56.24 # You move around the picker area with Left/Right/Up/Down. 16.56.36 # ok 16.56.50 # You can move across the left & right borders to get to the previous / next page. 16.57.07 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.57.18 # A letter is selected with Mode 16.57.31 # Long Mode accepts, Off aborts 16.57.42 # lostlogic: great, thanks 16.57.56 # lostlogic: i'm helping a blind guy with a 5g to make it work, and just wanted to make sure it actually works :) 16.58.16 # If you move out of the picker area with Up or Down, you go to line edit mode. There you can move left & right with Left & Right. 16.58.19 # amiconn, ok. thanks. I'll try to fit that in now. 16.58.41 # Mode deletes the char left to the cursor. Long Mode is accept, as always. 16.58.51 # Up or Down brings you back to the picker 16.59.03 # I see 16.59.07 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 16.59.26 # Btw, if you wanna try to get a better feeling how it actually works, you could build some sims 16.59.53 # amiconn, I have an ondio sim. I am just trying to get the key-action tables to be somewhat up to dat 16.59.54 # e 17.00.00 # I'd strongly advise having a sim for every platform built. 17.00.01 # okay 17.00.10 # I certainly did when doing manual updates. 17.00.31 # If something is wrong, it'll be easier to change that after my changes 17.01.22 # Cassandra, you were lucky. You only had like 3 simulators. Nowadays, it's a gazillion simulators 17.01.41 # Hey, I didn't say it was easy, did I? 17.01.49 Join vu2097 [0] (n=vu2097@krypton.planetargon.com) 17.01.54 # Screenshots are also a bitch. 17.02.10 # * tucoz tried to make a reference to a famous monty python scene 17.02.21 # I'd advise concentrating on the 3.0 release platforms for now. 17.02.26 # Ah, right. 17.02.27 # Cassandra, yes 17.02.34 # You need to use "when I was a lad" more. 17.02.38 # hehe 17.02.41 # Is voice recording planned (or done?) for ipod 4G? 17.03.14 # planned, yes, done, not by far 17.03.16 # it's not even begun 17.03.43 # Thanks! I've been a RockBox user for less than a day but I love it! 17.04.34 # Glad you like it. 17.04.50 # I'll try and finish the Rockbox Interface today. So that people can start adding/changing what's wrong there 17.06.55 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48) 17.18.00 # tucoz: what word have you been using as a generic word for "digital audio player" - I used to use "Jukebox" but I think that might have changed. 17.18.31 # Cassandra, I defined a \dap macro in each of the platform files. 17.19.43 # It's then easy to change that to whatever you want. For now all those are changed to 'player' now, but the ipods could be called 'Ipod' if that feels natural 17.21.09 # Do you have \daps too? 17.21.50 # Cassandra, no 17.22.02 # Might be an idea. 17.22.03 # Zagor: i've changed my patch back to using a bool value... 17.22.13 # would you have any ideas for the setting name ? 17.22.22 # and the variables also 17.22.37 # Cassandra, please change anything if you come to think of something 17.23.20 # But not chapter rockbox_interface. I work on that now 17.25.44 # lostlogic: i've forgotten already, did you make arm profiling work? 17.25.58 # preglow: profiling yes, profile results parsing, no 17.26.11 # riight, there was that 17.26.15 # any hints in case i want to look at it? 17.26.17 Join webguest43 [0] (n=c13354c1@labb.contactor.se) 17.26.20 # or is it just that the format changed? 17.26.29 Quit webguest43 (Client Quit) 17.26.30 # preglow: just that you only need the .map file on arm, not the objects 17.26.37 # tucoz: I'll have a look at some point. 17.26.39 # so it'll be a lot easier than my coldfire profile_reader.pl 17.26.48 # Feeling quite tired/ill at the moment. 17.27.00 # lostlogic: cool 17.27.10 # But I've copied the relevant parts of the style guildelines onto the wiki. 17.27.12 # lostlogic: i'm going to turn my attention to libmad again soon, so'll have need of some profiling 17.27.19 # preglow: cool 17.27.26 # Some of them might not apply any more in which case you should edit them. 17.27.37 # you'll find me knee deep in playback.c if you are looking for me :-P 17.28.09 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 17.28.59 # * preglow is knee deep in filter algebra... 17.29.41 Join Febs [0] (n=40be24d8@labb.contactor.se) 17.30.27 # t0mas: do you control the list of build servers? 17.37.59 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 17.38.45 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.39.40 # we really bloody need some wheel acceleartion 17.40.18 # preglow: yes, but the limit on wheel speed is how fast the application can handle events, not how fast they are sent 17.40.49 # the wheel events already include how large of a delta caused them, so applications could be recoded to ask for button events and then move multiple lines in one event if the delta is large 17.41.13 # guys what's the preferred way to pause/unpause (and is there a way to really pause on the spot, not this fade out and in again) .. that's terrible for dj mode ;) 17.41.37 # lostlogic: is that so 17.41.51 Quit tucoz (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.42.03 # preglow: yah, even reducing the delta required to tick to 1 doesn't speed it up at all in lists -- volume control it speeds up a bit and bejewled a bit... 17.42.23 # but yeah, i know the limit is the handlinmg 17.42.28 # that's basically what i was talking about 17.42.34 # to adjust the eq now, you have to scroll for ages 17.42.36 # dpro: you can disable fadein/out somewher, i don't have it on 17.42.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.42.41 Quit Bagder ("Off to search for that connect-resetting peer guy!") 17.42.47 # with acceleration you can scroll to destination faster, hence leading to fewer events 17.42.58 # probably not resulting in an empty pcm buffer 17.43.20 # that's what requires app support 17.43.36 # preglow: yah, that would require either application level handling, or additional scroll events to identify larger scrolls, either of which are not friendly, IMO 17.43.37 Quit DreamTactix291 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.43.51 # lostlogic: i think application level handling is the better, though 17.44.02 # yah 17.44.02 # mikachu: I'm hacking on your pitch screen atm which function would I call to pause from the pitch screen ? 17.44.03 Join DreamTactix291 [0] (n=DreamTac@adsl-149-149-180.bna.bellsouth.net) 17.44.05 # won't that gigabeat thing have analogue scrolling control too? 17.44.12 # Mikachu: yeah 17.44.16 # Mikachu: but in a slightly different way 17.44.21 # dpro: it's not my pitch screen, i only added the call to a menu entry... 17.44.24 # Mikachu: for one, i don't know how sensitive it is 17.44.28 # okoay 17.44.36 # i think it's heaps less sensitive than the ipod click wheel 17.44.44 # so SOMEONE should implement button_get_event and button_get_event_w_tmo and use them with the scroll data to do stuff, or change button_get to save the event data and make it available through an additional call if the application wants it 17.44.46 # woo, peaking filters 17.45.02 # ehh, shelving filters 17.45.08 # poking filters 17.45.45 # octave is actually rather good 17.45.50 # i wish the gnuplot interface did more 17.48.49 # bagh, why doesn't replaygain seem to be doing anything :-\ 17.52.01 # lostlogic: keep in mind it needs the tag to work 17.53.01 # preglow: I have tags on every file on my player now 17.53.16 # preglow: and preamp as low as it goes didn't do anythign audible 17.55.13 # then it should do something :> 17.56.05 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 17.56.34 # if only we had a glow, or a postglow around who was less useless!. 17.56.49 # Cassandra, sorry. my network connection died 17.57.50 Nick Kyomi|off is now known as Kyomi (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 17.57.53 # Back :) 17.58.02 # I'll look at the guidelines later on 17.58.22 # lostlogic: a guy named postglow did use to enter here from time to time and hang eerily around until he left suddenly... 17.58.28 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 17.58.30 # perhaps he was less useless but he didn't advertise it 17.58.42 # if he didn't do anything he was definitely useless 17.59.40 # i'm a bit confused 17.59.43 Join Ian_Locke [0] (n=a3f89c33@labb.contactor.se) 17.59.44 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.59.45 Join austriancoder [0] (n=5078751e@labb.contactor.se) 17.59.55 # what's the difference between "Insert", "Insert next" and "Insert last"? 18.00.02 # or rather, what does "Insert" do? 18.00.02 # my hypothesis was that he was my evil twin 18.00.13 # and if that somehow makes him my opposite, then he must have been useful 18.00.22 # Mikachu: insert inserts a song into a playlist 18.00.29 # Mikachu: insert last inserts at the end of it 18.00.39 # Mikachu: insert inserts where you're currently at 18.00.43 # Mikachu: god knows what insert next does 18.00.53 # i thought insert next inserted after the current song 18.00.53 Quit Ian_Locke (Client Quit) 18.01.01 # but it would seem like insert next and insert do the same thing 18.01.04 # where does insert insert then? 18.01.22 # I've often pondered same. 18.01.30 # * preglow checks the manual 18.01.39 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 18.01.42 # "Insert" inserts after the current song 18.01.42 # preglow: ... the ... what? 18.01.43 # :-D 18.02.02 # what's the difference between Insert and Queue next then? 18.02.24 # ender`: queue doesn't change the playlist 18.02.44 # ender`: insert does 18.02.44 # oh 18.02.44 # if I have any clue what I'm talking about 18.02.44 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 18.02.44 # :) 18.02.44 # and "Insert next" does too... 18.02.57 # so "" and " next" seems to be no difference 18.02.57 # yes, I've never figured out insert next vs. insert. 18.02.57 # ahh, right 18.02.58 # so maybe they should be removed? 18.03.08 # insert inserts at the end of the insertion list.......... 18.03.08 # insert next disregards it 18.03.08 # btw, would it be possible to add a shortcut for Queue (or Queue next), similarly to how the iriver original firmware had? 18.03.08 # "insert next" inserts after the current playing song. "insert" inserts after the last inserted song 18.03.16 # preglow: so if i insert many things, they will be in the "correct" order? 18.03.18 # this is convoluted 18.03.19 # i see 18.03.26 # that's not easy to figure out, but useful 18.03.30 # indeed 18.03.38 # yes. very useful 18.03.38 # handy, indeed 18.03.55 # but i think insert next might be a bit superfluous 18.03.55 # Mikachu: That's what manuals are for 18.04.10 # * safetydan does the "I got code comitted" dance 18.04.13 # preglow: why ? 18.04.16 # oh wait... I could have done that... 18.04.16 # amiconn: manuals should never be needed :) 18.04.19 # thanks preglow 18.04.27 # safetydan: haha, no problem 18.04.36 # you're welcome and all 18.04.46 # now to dig up the misticriver threads where people were complaining about the accuracy 18.04.55 # your coding style is really nice, btw 18.05.01 # minus a couple of small things, it's exactly like mine :-) 18.05.14 # ha 18.05.27 # I love how with coding style nice => same as mine (with the exception of that which is clearly bad) 18.05.32 # safetydan: btw, it's not 64 bit safe, can you see where? 18.05.35 # safetydan: 'cause i can't 18.06.19 # it worked when i forced a couple of ints 18.06.31 # err... I was about to say I couldn't see anything obviously wrong for 64bitness 18.06.41 # safetydan: does it depend on wrapping anywhere 18.06.42 # ? 18.06.44 # Speaking of insert/queue... I accidentally saw that menu once, how to get there on ipod? 18.06.57 # vu2097: keep select pressed 18.06.57 # hold select on a song/dir 18.07.14 # Thanks! 18.07.29 # would maybe be more logical with long press on menu, since it opens a... menu 18.07.31 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-63-74.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.07.37 # preglow, it might since it's basically oscillating a vector around a point, try changing the x,x1, y, y1 declarations to be int32t 18.07.40 # preglow: i don't see how "insert next" is superfluous... 18.07.46 # safetydan: it works then 18.08.09 # it could be "Insert after current" if it wasn't too long 18.08.11 # Nico_P: not superfluous, exactly, but it's not the option you'd use the most, exactly 18.08.27 # how long does it keep track of where the last inserted song is? 18.08.29 # hmm 18.08.32 # Nico_P: it's mostly an option for when you thought you had planned your playlist nicely, but then suddenly see something you'd rather hear, heh 18.08.50 # yes i see what you mean 18.09.02 # safetydan: looks like the z variables are the one to blame 18.09.17 # if i listen to music for an hour and then do an insert, i would expect it to go after the current song, not after the last inserted 18.09.34 # Mikachu: use insert next then 18.09.42 # sure, but if it was removed 18.09.47 # heh O.o 18.10.03 # I have a question for you all about wps' 18.10.13 # would it be too stupid to rename "Insert" to "Smart insert" ? 18.10.14 # safetydan: nah, it's in the x and y ones 18.10.15 # I noticed a problem before I went to class 18.10.27 # Mikachu: i think something like that might work, yes 18.10.40 # that would make you at least suspect it did something useful 18.10.47 # Mikachu: it implies it does more than just insert, while the current name implies a mere fixed point insert 18.10.52 # If you have shuffle off and a wps that that shows the next song info, it'll just sit there saying "Loading..." if the next song is in another directory 18.10.53 # yeah 18.10.59 # Is there a way to fix that? 18.11.02 # preglow, it should be in the x,y ones as I spent a lot of effort getting z to work unsigned 18.11.13 # safetydan: x = -x 18.11.18 # safetydan: i bet that's the bugger 18.11.25 # safetydan: that'll sign extend all the way up to 64 bits 18.11.32 # ah 18.11.52 # safetydan: anyway, i'll deal with it 18.11.53 # well easy enough to fix 18.11.58 # cool 18.12.11 # Anyone? 18.12.17 # next stop on the eq train, pre-amp 18.12.17 # lostlogic: does that last commit of your allow voice ui while paused? 18.12.21 # safetydan: amen 18.12.23 # preglow: no 18.12.34 # * Kyomi knows her problem isn't as important though :( 18.12.38 # preglow: taht turns out to be a rather complex problem, and will nto be solved for 3.0 18.12.53 # Kyomi: will be a bit tricky, that 18.12.55 # Kyomi: there is not currently a solution to that with directory mode 18.13.16 # lostlogic: wow, complex 18.13.21 # I have it set to auto change directory though 18.13.25 # lostlogic: sounds like a well-thought out design :-) 18.13.31 # preglow: the problem with voice UI while paused is where to buffer the voice playback data 18.13.39 # Is that the way the wps "sdk" is set up? Or a problem in how the information is read? 18.13.47 # lostlogic: a valid problem 18.13.56 # Hmmm 18.13.57 # lostlogic: i think voice ui should have special treatment in some way, by the way 18.14.00 # Kyomi: the problem is that the next dir is not in the playlist until you finisht eh current 18.14.11 # lostlogic: like working on a shorter buffer being mixed in at the final stage before output 18.14.26 # lostlogic: yes I do 18.14.32 # currently, the voice ui latency is ridiculous 18.14.36 # I have an idea... do you think it'd be possible to get DOSbox working on an iRiver H320? 18.14.37 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.14.37 # [17:30:45] t0mas: do you control the list of build servers? 18.14.40 # preglow: it does, currently ~1/5 second chunks are buffered and mixed from at the nearest possible insertion point 18.15.01 # preglow: attempts to move it closer have caused flakey problems so far with playback overtaking voice insertion 18.15.23 # Kyomi, not likely unfortunately. You need (roughly) 10 times the CPU power to emulate a given CPU. 18.15.24 Join bobTHC [0] (n=bobTHC@l06v-62-34-150-196.d1.club-internet.fr) 18.15.25 # t0mas: can you cahnge mine from 82.165.176.78 to lostlogicx.com for readability? 18.15.35 # safetydan: Why is that? 18.15.35 # hi 18.15.37 # yes I can 18.15.40 # thanks 18.15.46 # Kyomi, so something like a 33Mhz 386 would need a 330MHz processor on your player 18.16.00 # safetydan: yep, that was it 18.16.09 # argh 18.16.17 # * Kyomi replaces the processor 18.16.21 # Oh 18.16.30 # This is kinda an odd question 18.16.32 # Kyomi, just the overhead of interpreting the instructions for the old processor and doing the same on the new one 18.16.48 # preglow, cool... wish there was an easy way to check if things were 64-bit clean before commit 18.16.55 # But is it possible to replace the HD in my iRiver h320 with a bigger one? 18.16.58 # for us 32-bit kiddies anyway 18.17.00 # safetydan: there isn't 18.17.00 # Kyomi, yes 18.17.02 # I know they have like 40GB ones 18.17.10 # I'd like to get one 18.17.15 # preglow: in order to do voice while paused, we would have to _stop_ rather than pausing the playback hardware, save the current position in the buffer as the resume position, and then feed a specialized section of the pcmbuffer to the playback hardware as voice clips are decoded, it'd be difficult to work that in, as you can imagine... unless you have a better idea 18.17.38 # safetydan: Is that because the "Bios" of it is in a lil flash memory? 18.17.55 # Kyomi, no, just the amount of CPU power required 18.17.55 # lostlogic: changed 18.18.11 # lostlogic: i actually think stopping playback might actually be a viable solution, not allowing voice ui when paused will annoy a lot of people 18.18.13 # Slasheri: changed your server's ip to ihme.org that's the right one? 18.18.14 # Kyomi: if possible you'll want to match the number of platters in the hard drive or it makes fitting all the components in very difficult, the largest single platter is 40gb now, but just be careful when purchasing 18.18.27 # lostlogic: until we get something more clever going, at least 18.18.31 # Kyomi, http://www.misticriver.net/wiki/index.php/Customize_Your_H3xx has some information about drive replacements 18.18.33 # preglow: yeah, it's something I plan to do, but probably not for 3.0 18.18.37 # t0mas: yep, that's correct :) 18.18.41 # ok 18.18.47 # safetydan: ty 18.18.50 # I wasn't sure if it had to be .net or .org 18.18.56 # * preglow does does the mandatory tagcache status request 18.18.59 # Kyomi: nothing to do with a bios, just the instructions that run on the actual CPU 18.19.03 Join gunpowda [0] (n=null@82-35-196-187.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.19.03 # safetydan: I just wanted a 40GB max because of the option now to play video :) 18.19.14 # heya 18.19.24 # are there any plans to develop an ipod id3 database for rockbox? 18.19.41 # gunpowda: preglow was just bothering slasheri about the status of the new tagcache. 18.19.43 # I love the features it offers over the normal ipod firmware, but I do mix the id3 based system too 18.20.08 # hum, how are the pixels laid out in memory on a H100 player? 18.20.27 # preglow: maybe next week, too busy right now :/ 18.20.34 # however I try to get the packing method right all I get is junk on the screen 18.20.52 # ohrn, isn't there already a macro to do it for you? 18.20.56 # preglow: about three different paid works at the moment i have to finish to some state first.. 18.21.00 # lostlogic, Slasheri, is the tagcache a similar system to apple's firmware then? 18.21.11 # dunno, where? 18.21.12 # gunpowda: yes 18.21.16 # Slasheri: as it's scheduled for 3.0, it might be clever to commit it and allow other people to work on it, or at least find out if there's a chance of it being finished until then 18.21.18 # ohrn: you using rgbpack ? 18.21.23 # partially at least, it's generated on the device 18.21.39 # Slasheri: i think making the old code work again is going to take some effort if we need it, heh 18.21.48 # preglow: yes, i will do that as soon as i do the fix for the chunked browsing 18.22.07 # ohrn, use LCD_RGBPACK or at least look at the definition for h100 18.22.08 # i don't want to commit it before that, because it requires some mandatory changes to the code 18.22.12 # Slasheri: you need to stop sleeping 18.22.13 # ok, thanks 18.22.18 # hehe :D 18.22.52 Join Febs [0] (n=40be24d8@labb.contactor.se) 18.23.06 # tagcache + WMA support (here's hoping a patch for that appears soon) will pretty much end most people's complaints 18.23.16 # indeed 18.23.26 # and sweet it'll be 18.23.35 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 18.24.09 # now we just need realtime AAC on iriver :D 18.24.28 # * Kyomi replaces AAC with SID 18.24.28 # :D 18.24.51 # Probably MIDI would be better realized 18.25.17 # doesn't sid/midi/mod support require fairly large changes to the playback system? 18.25.31 # oh, amazing 18.25.31 # merbanan said the ffmpeg people are working on aac 18.25.31 # I thought filename-based browsing was a design choice 18.25.57 # the result of which i'm really looking forward to seeing 18.25.57 # Does MIDI work at all? 18.26.06 # Or is it at the "Cross your fingers" stage? 18.26.08 # not realtime 18.26.18 # iirc 18.26.31 # preglow: the wip code is posted on the mailinglist 18.26.49 # What was the change to backlight.c when the change said "Me silly"? 18.26.56 Quit SereR0KR (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.26.57 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd45f.f.strato-dslnet.de) 18.27.18 # what sort of work are the ffmpeg people doing on aac ? optimisation ? 18.27.19 # merbanan: got an url for me? 18.27.22 # * preglow gets worked up 18.27.34 # gmane.org 18.27.49 # Slasheri, do you have a rough estimate for when tagcache will be implemented/usable? 18.27.49 # Kyomi: i fixed a compiling error on the Ondio that i caused 18.28.03 # weeks, months, longer? 18.28.13 # gunpowda: usable when rockbox 3.0 is released 18.28.18 # implemented before that in cvs :) 18.28.22 # is there a way to make pause/resume a bit more responsive (or at least deterministic) ? 18.28.36 # Nico_P: it will be a new aac decoder for the ffmpeg project 18.28.44 # dpro: what device? and I was unaware that it was a problem currently 18.28.55 # :D 18.29.01 # ooh, and we're on 2.5 now 18.29.13 # gunpowda: 3.0 is the next release, fyi 18.29.20 # preglow: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.video.ffmpeg.devel/30615 18.29.21 # gunpowda: browse the wiki for more info 18.29.33 # ipod, no it isn't a problem normally, but I'm kind of trying to make it sort of dj ready ... so sometimes on the spot sometimes not is a bit cumbersome 18.30.43 Join Bagder [0] (n=daniel@1-1-5-26a.hud.sth.bostream.se) 18.31.25 # Nico_P: currently it is a float only implementation, that might change in the future 18.31.48 # is that really a 98 KiB header file in that aac patch? 18.31.52 # dpro: so soemtimes when you press pause, the music doesn't pause immediately? 18.31.59 # 79 even 18.32.45 # lostlogic: it pauses mostly fine but it's hard to predict when exaxtly it will resume 18.33.49 # dpro: I just fiddled with it a bit, seems like when the resume is sent very close to the pause, it delays... thi smay be a limitation of the hardware's pause/resume cycle, not sure at this point 18.34.09 # lostlogic: resume can happen immediately or can take up to half a second ... it seems when I keep the pause up for longer it takes longer to resume 18.36.29 # dpro: oh, that's the opposite of what I was having. 18.36.40 # is the album art feature buggy or worthwhile? 18.37.15 # gunpowda: it's not buggy, but it's only worthwile if you intend to use it :p 18.37.32 # because of memory issues 18.37.33 # yeah, assuming intention to use it 18.37.48 # then it is worthwile 18.38.13 # all I need is tagcache, album art, lyrics. then I'm all set. 18.38.31 # merbanan: looks promising indeed 18.40.27 # dpro: hmm, yes, not sure what the problem is, if I see anything that's likely to be the culprit when digging in the playback code, I'll letcha know... cna't imagine why it'd once-in-a-while have that .5s delay 18.40.43 # preglow: lets hope it's easy to convert the code to fixed point arithmetics 18.41.11 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.42.00 # do I need to get all kinds of development environment complications sorted out before I can apply patches? 18.42.09 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 18.42.51 # gunpowda: get the vmware player and the vmware dev environment or cygwin dev environment setup, it's not too difficult any more 18.44.16 # amazing, that's much more appealing than cygwin 18.45.13 # merbanan: i really like the ffmpeg codecs 18.45.13 Quit mtf8 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.45.21 Join mtf8 [0] (n=windowsr@vtb2.fxserver.com) 18.45.21 # merbanan: small and efficient, almost without exception 18.45.47 # preglow: look at the cook decoder, it's a work of art :) 18.53.48 Quit bagawk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.55.28 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.55.48 Quit Chile` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.56 Quit mirak ("Ex-Chat") 19.00.14 # preglow: Does ffmpeg have a wma decoder? 19.01.20 Join dpassen1 [0] (n=dpassen1@cpe-24-168-110-99.si.res.rr.com) 19.01.55 # amiconn: that's the one currently being ported 19.02.09 # amiconn: and also the only opensource wma decoder i know to exis 19.02.09 # t 19.02.54 # preglow: is the source for the port availible somewhere ? 19.05.01 # Wow, less than 4 minutes for all 40 builds last round 19.05.20 # if I do a 'make' as per the instructions on the vmware player section, what am I getting, the very latest version? 19.06.42 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-50-36.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.07.35 # tucoz, I just uploaded some more changes to manual chapter 4 to the patchtracker. 19.07.47 # Febs, great :) 19.07.52 # I'll have a look 19.08.28 # I am working on the Rockbox Interface chapter right now. You could have a look at that later on if you need help with the macros 19.08.40 # That is, after I commit my changes 19.09.12 # * amiconn really appreciates the ongoing documentation effort 19.09.21 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-57-180.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.09.46 # * Febs appreciates the recognition. 19.09.56 # Though tucoz has really been the driving force so far. 19.10.35 # the patch applied cleanly :) 19.10.39 # merbanan: he'll post it when he's got it going, he saus 19.10.46 # Woo hoo! Another first for Febs. 19.11.09 # can someone direct me to the album art patch or the page with instructions for installing it? 19.12.06 # preglow: tell him I'd be happy to commit that to ffmpeg cvs if the code is nice 19.12.29 # merbanan: we'll see 19.14.33 # What's the story on battery life on ipod compared to Apple firmware? 19.15.03 # can anyone let me know how to see the current manual? I tried building using the debian developers image and choosing 9 (ihp120) then M (Manual) but got an error. 19.15.14 Join PhR3aK [0] (n=A@pD9528627.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.15.21 # But the Normal build worked fine 19.15.32 # i don't know if it includes pdftex 19.15.33 # I charged mine fully, but when I boot Apple firmware, the battery indicator appears dead after just an hour or two of RockBoxing. 19.15.42 # gunpowda: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 19.16.14 # and also : http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=37582 19.18.00 # oh, I see - it's a patch for the .wps rather than for rockbox directly? 19.18.21 # no, you still have to patch your rockbox build 19.18.23 Join MulziSAW [0] (n=mulzisaw@p54B6B7F7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 19.19.05 # I can't seem to find any links on the patch page 19.19.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 19.19.38 # Febs, comitted 19.20.09 # or maybe I need to register to see attachments? 19.20.50 # attachements are in the comments, in the tracker 19.20.53 # Febs, and I think I got your name right this time :) 19.20.54 # gunpowda: look through the comments from the bottom going up 19.21.20 Quit tianjing (Remote closed the connection) 19.21.32 # how far is the audio-playback on the x5? 19.21.41 # thanks. 19.21.53 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 19.23.24 # has someone noticed: when activating party mode while current song is paused, there is no way to start the playback. is that wanted? 19.24.54 # MulziSAW, I've also noticed that. Don't know if that is wanted though 19.26.20 # or does anyone work on the audio codec driver at the moment? 19.26.24 # its kinda funny, its like unstartable music instead unstoppable! ;D 19.26.55 # Hmmm 19.27.08 # * Kyomi edits her wps to make the next song scroll :D 19.28.07 # MulziSAW, I know. The reason might be that if you are having a party, you start a song, enter party mode, and leave the player next to the stereo. 19.28.58 # sounds like a boring party 19.29.06 # (with unplayable music) 19.29.27 # But, a check to see if playback is paused/stopped when adding a song to the playlist and start playing if it is would be nice 19.30.15 # i second that. but i'm not able to code a line... 19.32.54 # MulziSAW, you could learn 19.33.01 # preglow, were you going to check in those 64-bit fixes? 19.33.28 Part MulziSAW 19.33.59 # amiconn, do you use mode to toggle play/pause ? 19.34.11 # ? 19.34.16 # on the ondio 19.34.20 # Ah, no 19.34.21 # safetydan: sooner or later :> 19.34.39 # That works a bit unorthodox 19.34.53 # hehe, ok. BUTTON_OFF? 19.34.57 # pause/unpause is Off. Long Off is stop 19.35.07 # ok, thanks 19.35.29 # I wanted to change that, but that would add modality, something Zagor didn't like 19.36.01 # My idea was to keep Off as pause, but unpause with Right (== play on Ondio) 19.36.07 # ok, well. People gets used to the weirdest button presses anyway. 19.36.12 # When paused, a second Off would stop... 19.36.37 Quit gunpowda (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.36.43 # bbl, got to eat. 19.36.56 # Hmm, no linuxstb around... 19.38.21 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 19.41.28 # * preglow summons jlo 19.41.33 # Nico_P: Are there any known issues w/the album art patch e.g. breaks gapless, wps freezing, etc? I've been wanting to try it and since it doesn't look like it'll make cvs for awhile, I might just break down and patch... 19.42.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.46.07 Join gunpowda [0] (n=null@82-35-196-187.cable.ubr02.enfi.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.46.20 # when you type an incomplete command in linux, e.g. I did 'patch' 19.46.28 # how can I exit it and get back to the command prompt? 19.46.38 # ctrl-c 19.47.02 # or in that particular case, ctrl-d would work too 19.47.23 # cool, ty. 19.47.43 # seconded 19.47.47 # eoi and that 19.49.05 # Heh. Someone on the rockbox forums saying (paraphrase) "I'd like feature X but I can't code. I am willing to donate towards it though. Any chance of a pay pal account?". That message appears right next to the "donate" button on my screen. 19.49.19 # If they'd just looked about 30 pixels left... 19.49.48 # hahaha 19.49.52 # yeah but presumably they'd want to donate to the specific person or get their donation noticed somehow 19.50.07 # gunpowda, true but still amusing 19.50.08 # what feature is being talked about? 19.50.19 # you need some extra cash? 19.50.20 # optical in recording I think 19.50.35 # Mikachu: always 19.50.40 # but no, i was just curious 19.50.48 # optical in recording shouldn't be that hard, i think 19.51.03 # the interface itself is on the chip, unless i'm mistaken 19.51.22 # and some people really misunderstand the complexity of programming for rockbox... it's really not that hard even for beginner programmers 19.51.42 # depends what you do, of course 19.51.52 # but of course 19.52.06 # stay away from the playback and dsp code and you're fine :) 19.52.07 # right now to get patches in the vmware client I'm making a tinyurl and doing a wget 19.52.09 # most people think it's harder than it is 19.52.11 # is there a quicker way? 19.52.29 # yes, mount the samba share as described in the wiki 19.52.31 # then you have matlab programmers, that think all programming is very easy 19.52.35 # gunpowda: setup a samba share so you can save them from windows to the vmware 19.52.40 # preglow: ['hehe']; 19.53.01 Quit kernelsensei (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.53.23 # hrmm.. while I'm on a trig roll, we still need sinh right? Same input and output formats? 19.53.26 # i've done a fair bit of realtime dsp programming for people who're using matlab 19.53.44 # all of them nearly had apoplexy when they saw the amount of c++ source needed for their 'small' matlab feature 19.54.20 # but the matlab feature is coded in something too, don't they think about that? 19.54.36 # yeah, but the C 'feature' is coded in something, also 19.54.37 # ; ) 19.54.43 # Mikachu: no 19.54.45 # You realize that while you folks are saying that Rockbox is programming is "not that hard," many Rockbox users can't follow the installation instructions because they don't know where there root folder is? 19.54.54 # there/their 19.55.03 # crashd: c operators usually don't evaluate to something taking several minutes, like \ in matlab could do 19.55.10 # true Mikachu , true 19.55.13 # but never the less ;) 19.55.21 # "To make it easy to access the files in the virtual Linux operating system, we have included Samba." 19.55.23 # Febs, good point 19.55.39 # opening up \\myip doesn't show me the usr folder 19.55.52 # david bryant did a change to the crossfeed coefs in dsp.c that i think is wrong 19.56.07 # -0x66666666 isn't -0.2 in s0.31 fixed point, no? 19.56.43 # looks unlikely 19.56.48 # very 19.56.51 # ts-x: there aren't any know issues with album art besides wasting some RAM when no album art has been found or when the feature isn't used by the WPS 19.57.00 # 1 - 0x66666666, perhaps 19.57.02 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 19.58.19 # I've got windows share folders working already, so I see my shared documents 19.58.28 # but no samba share folder for some reason 20.01.25 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.05.06 # oh, it's \\Debian 20.05.10 # that wasn't obvious. 20.05.29 # did you actually put "\\myip"? 20.05.54 # no. 20.05.58 # good :) 20.07.27 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-217.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.07.48 # I'm shocked, the google calculator lacks asinh 20.08.30 # what a sin 20.09.07 Join fox010 [0] (n=Miranda@plz-84-242-95-195.nat.karneval.cz) 20.14.25 # meh. I really wanted to use this lyrics patch but I don't think it's working 20.14.44 # hrm, flyspray links to pages doesn't work when viewing only watched tasks 20.14.45 Join kernelsensei [0] (n=boris@lns-bzn-47f-81-56-253-161.adsl.proxad.net) 20.14.48 # it forgets the watched state 20.14.55 # entering &pagenum=2 manually works fine though 20.15.56 # are there any eq presets available? 20.16.31 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.16.52 # hrm, think I should replace my march files with these february ones? 20.17.06 Join mirak_ [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-50-36.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.18.36 # mtf8, yes but not in the cvs or daily builds 20.19.09 Join herz42 [0] (n=herz42@p549FCF10.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.19.56 # ok 20.20.05 # I'm looking around now and see a few things 20.20.23 # is the eq stuff model specific? 20.20.43 # mtf8, no it works on nearly all targets 20.21.20 # Nico_P: Sorry, was away for a minute...thanks for the reply. I think I'll give it a try this weekend. The maximum size is still 125x125? 20.21.46 # ok 20.22.22 # I'd definitely use the album art patch if it could read from the files 20.23.16 # how do i make a patch containing new files, again? 20.23.56 # preglow, -N 20.24.20 # ts-x: no problem. yes max size is 125x125 20.25.51 Join kernel_sensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 20.27.34 # Nico_P: When your code looks for the album name bitmap, it uses album name from the tag (not folder name)? 20.28.19 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.28.34 # safetydan: we're talking cvs diff, yeah, didn't seem to make a difference 20.28.58 # preglow, have you added the file? 20.29.11 # no :-) 20.29.17 # well there you go then 20.29.31 # what if i might not want to add it? 20.29.54 # cvs remove 20.29.55 # can always remove it again, i suppose 20.30.02 # nothing happens until commit anyway 20.30.08 # * preglow slaps head 20.30.10 # i think i saw a program thatlets you fakeadd files 20.30.19 # you can only actually run cvs add if you have commit access 20.30.27 # ts-x: yes, it uses the album tag 20.30.37 # Nico_P: The reason I ask, is that when I was setting similar functionality up in foobar2000 last weekend and noticed a problem with album name instead of folder name. 20.30.56 # what kinf of problem ? 20.31.00 # kind 20.31.21 # Albums names with characters such as '/' in them cannot have associated image files 20.31.32 # *Album 20.31.35 # very true 20.31.53 # in this case the album art probably just won't be found 20.31.54 # Is it just me or are the comments in dsp.c slightly messed up? 20.32.00 # amiconn, around? How do you go to the file-browser and also show the pitch screen on the ondio? 20.32.07 # The comment starting at line 520 doesn't seem to belong there 20.32.13 # Yeah...I ended up defaulting the foobar plugin to folder name because of that 20.32.40 # tucoz: Pitch screen is in the wps context menu (only, and merely since a few days) 20.32.43 # personally i've never seen an album with "/" in it's title.. 20.32.49 # It's either that or change the tag values to remove the characters that present issues 20.32.54 # safetydan: i have just now fixed it 20.32.59 # ah okay 20.33.06 # amiconn, ok. And to go to the file-browser? 20.33.08 # it's in a patch i'm testing for h120 right now 20.33.10 # KMFDM - Naive/Hell to Go is one example 20.33.21 # tucoz: Short Mode. 20.33.27 # when I'm using patch, I place the patch file in the src directory 20.33.28 # * amiconn seems to repeat himself 20.33.32 # thanks. 20.33.37 # gunpowda: okay 20.33.39 # it always then throws errors about not being able to find the relative path 20.33.46 # well you can still use cover.bmp 20.33.52 # Good point 20.33.56 # but if I type in, say, apps/onplay.c or something it'll oatch ok 20.33.59 # gunpowda: some patches are made in the dir that contains apps 20.34.11 # gunpowda: and you usually need to give one of -p0 or -p1 too 20.34.14 # Might be a little confusing to the masses though... 20.34.31 # what do those switches do? 20.34.35 # it all depends on how your music is organised 20.34.55 # gunpowda: man patch 20.35.19 # i don't use .bmp... only cover.bmp and a few of 20.35.32 # that's because each album is in a dir of it's own 20.35.34 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 20.36.07 # mmk 20.36.14 # Nico_P, i'm waiting for JPG album art =] 20.36.20 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@l05m-194-158-117-91.d4.club-internet.fr) 20.36.35 # well i'm waiting for JPEG loading in WPS ;) 20.36.53 # :] 20.36.54 # the jpeg plugin is 27 kB so i don't know what the chances are of including it in the core 20.37.11 # what about PNG's? 20.37.19 # that's a much easier format to decode 20.37.20 # nobody has pngs in their mp3 tags 20.37.25 # well, as album art 20.37.28 # * ts-x will take any type of album art in WPS :) 20.37.46 # rahter than id3 embedded 20.37.53 # just be content with bmp, goddamnit#!¤!" 20.38.00 # easy thom :) 20.38.06 # im just wondering, is all 20.38.09 # listen to preglow :D 20.38.11 # * ts-x is content 20.38.20 # i was thinking of playing with a png plugin when i get some free time 20.38.24 # * Mikachu browses content 20.38.25 # if i ever get this other stuff working 20.38.49 # crashd: very good idea 20.38.58 # what's the other stuff ? 20.39.11 # well, i was playing with some demoo effect type stuff, trying to port a modulo tunnel effect to rockbox 20.39.20 # shouldn't it be pretty easy to write a bmp viewer plugin? 20.39.21 # but i couldnt get it to output anything other than garbage 20.39.31 # so i need to find some time to figure out why it's not working 20.39.35 # as it's a pretty simple piece of code 20.39.47 # well, regardless of the switches I use 20.39.51 # mmm it's very annoying to rezise the album art bitmaps to 100x100, 75x75 (the wps album art sizes) 20.39.56 # it says it needs to patch rockbox/apps/onplay.c but it can't find it 20.40.02 # if I type in 'rockbox/apps/onplay.c' it works 20.40.12 # gunpowda: where are you running this, inr elation to the sourcetree? 20.40.35 # I've tried in both src and rockbox 20.40.48 # using the -px switch? 20.40.52 # Mikachu: yes, probably, especially with the existing code 20.41.06 # and eli_sherer had already done one 20.41.07 # nope 20.41.11 # ah 20.41.21 # you'll need to use -p0 or -p1 probably 20.41.34 # like i said 10 minutes ago... 20.41.37 # heh 20.41.38 # O.o 20.41.58 # sure, I've tried both of those 20.42.09 # Nico_P, eli_sherer BMP viewer is very slow... it takes a year to load a bitmap 20.42.10 Quit kernelsensei (Connection timed out) 20.42.11 # look at the head of the patch, the path to the files is listed there 20.42.12 Nick kernel_sensei is now known as kernelsensei (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 20.42.13 # oh, x is a number. I get you know 20.42.15 # now. 20.42.24 # the x means how many leading components to strip 20.42.39 # yes, the best is probalby to use the BMP loading code that's in rockbox already 20.42.56 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 20.43.03 # it lacks a trailing slash already 20.43.17 # Paprica: Yeah once I resize bmp's for 400 albums, I'm never switching wps' again unless they support that size ;) 20.44.00 # aouch 20.44.02 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-53-52.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.44.11 # i hope you guys are using some sort of automated way for doing that 20.44.14 # meh. I'll just replace the files 20.44.24 # of course 20.44.31 # I hope english.lang and screens.c haven't changed much in a month 20.44.48 # guess again 20.46.02 # some people have suggested allowing names like cover75.bmp, cover100.bmp... 20.46.21 # it's a rather good idea but i don't really see how to implement it 20.46.22 # i think, in time, code for resizing would be easier 20.46.24 # scratch that then 20.46.35 # than supporting lots of silly formats for album art 20.46.42 # crashd: sure 20.47.11 # how hard is it to scale down a bitmap ? 20.48.01 # well, it's not 'hard' per say 20.48.07 # but it's the resource toll that's probably the issue 20.48.25 # how far is the coding of the audio codec driver fpr the x5? does anyone know somthing about it? 20.48.27 # yes, especially in WPS 20.48.35 # Nico_P: exactly 20.50.15 # how can I close a man page? 20.50.27 # q 20.50.48 # PhR3aK: i suppose the only one to know is LinusN 20.51.42 # and the best way to have it quickly is to be patient and let him work :) 20.51.55 # k ^^ 20.52.52 # any committers here ? 20.53.08 # ? 20.53.19 # i assume you mean CVS, and not relationships 20.53.34 # good guess 20.53.37 # : ) 20.53.48 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2920 20.55.11 # i'll leave it to someone else =] 20.56.21 # don't you like it ? ^^ 20.56.34 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 20.57.15 Quit Lynx_ (Connection timed out) 20.57.16 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 20.57.34 # like it, but i'll leave it to other committer 20.57.54 # m-r-f 20.58.01 # * amiconn summons [IDC]Dragon 20.58.48 # m-r-f? 21.00.29 Quit Xerion (" ") 21.00.56 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.29 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-18-147.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.01.46 # safetydan: there, the comment should be "slightly" better now 21.03.56 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-18-147.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.04.30 # bagh, why does bubbles stop playback!/ 21.04.41 # it is _not_ processor intensive 21.04.49 # no yield? 21.05.09 # it has a yield 21.05.17 # that's what I'm thinking... but if it even button_gets it should offer enough yield time... but audio playback stops even when no buttons are being pressed 21.05.23 # and also a sleep 21.05.23 # that's work for the code police ! 21.05.30 # if(currenttick-lasttick < HZ/MAX_FPS) { 21.05.31 # rb->sleep((HZ/MAX_FPS)-(currenttick-lasttick)); 21.05.31 # } else { 21.05.31 DBUG Enqueued KICK Mikachu 21.05.31 # rb->yield(); 21.05.34 # that should be enough, no? 21.05.41 # preglow, where "slightly" means "totally rewritten" 21.05.45 # Mikachu: yeah, when it's drawing frames 21.05.50 # but what about when it's not drawing frames 21.06.01 # like when doing calculations? 21.06.33 Quit kernelsensei (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.06.48 # safetydan: well, the old one didn't apply at all, so... 21.07.10 # Mikachu: nope, like when just sitting there doing nothing 21.07.37 # i think it always draws the frame at FPS fps, but i can't promise anything 21.08.26 # there are 3 places with a /* framerate limiting */ thing, but one of them doesn't have an else { yield } thing 21.08.29 # maybe that's it? 21.08.59 # my track record for fixing bugs in bubbles isn't very good though :) 21.09.07 # the button loop doesn't yield ever 21.09.36 # why does it use a non-blocking cpu eating button loop 21.09.48 # it should use a button_get_w_tmo or button_get(true) 21.10.01 # my battery is crying. 21.10.03 # which button loop are we talkign about here? 21.10.18 # bubbles_handlebuttons 21.11.10 # that function doesn't have any loops 21.11.18 Join thegeek_ [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 21.11.27 # oh wait hm 21.11.28 # sorry, when that function returns anything other than no button, the yield / sleep code is skipped over 21.11.30 Quit thegeek (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.11.41 # in case BUBBLES_START there is also something funny 21.11.42 # how can I quit a man page? 21.11.43 # but at least I see why it uses a non-blocking 21.11.47 # while(rb->button_get(true) != (BUBBLES_START)); 21.11.51 # gunpowda: still q 21.12.12 # cool 21.12.16 # Mikachu: that's not bad because it's blocking 21.12.27 # oh right, button_get not button_status 21.12.29 # hmm... the root of the problem is less obvious tan I previously thought. 21.12.34 # I missed your earlier reply 21.13.48 # i think the code is a bit hard to follow, many nested returns and stuff 21.13.52 # yeah 21.14.26 # line 2525 I think is missing a yield. 21.14.27 # *tests* 21.14.45 # yeah that's the one i suspected earlier :) 21.15.07 # sigh. *isslow* 21.16.38 # what's confusing about bubbles is that frames are drawn all over the place, and therefore there are several places where frame rate limitting and buttons are processed 21.16.41 # weird. 21.16.50 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.06 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.18.20 # anyone know how to retrieve a previous revision of a file from CVS 21.18.29 # and it draws frames at FPS regardless of whether anything is changing :-\ 21.18.32 # tucoz: -r 21.18.37 # my battery is crying more 21.18.39 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.55 # lostlogic: well, there is a timer thing for shooting balls away so i see why he doesn't wait for a button 21.19.03 # but it's of course possible to sleep appropriate times anyway 21.19.06 # Mikachu, thanks. 21.19.17 # tucoz: iirc it goes betwene "update" and the filename 21.19.27 # Ok 21.19.29 # if you say cvs -r [] update it means something different 21.20.34 # lostlogic: did the yield help? 21.21.03 # Mikachu: slightly -- now music at least plays gappily along while sitting idle in the game 21.21.17 # i guess you could lower the target fps 21.21.20 # but it really needs logic to determine whether or not to redraw the board each loop 21.21.35 Quit fox010 ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 21.21.56 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-18-147.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.23.09 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.23.09 # * lostlogic gives up for now who wrote it? someone bite him and make him fix it, or just disable audio while playing the game. 21.23.12 # Febs, are you here? 21.23.29 # Yes. 21.23.31 # lostlogic: rotator i think 21.23.36 # rotator wrote it 21.24.00 # it worked fine before the last commit he made to change it 21.24.11 # what changed? 21.24.12 Join station [0] (n=solid@163.120.72.104) 21.24.24 # max fps i think 21.24.30 # hmph 21.24.55 # sorry that wasn't the last commit he made for the game 21.24.57 # I'd have no complaints with it if it didn't just burn CPU when nothing other than the timer is changing 21.25.14 # i think it was that one : http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/plugins/bubbles.c.diff?r1=1.1&r2=1.2 21.25.33 # makes sense 21.25.49 # the animations doesn't seem to depend on fps though 21.26.26 # hrm? 21.26.31 # that's when i started having playback skips... the problem probably existed before 21.26.35 # it looks slower with lower fps, not just choppier 21.26.43 # ah 21.26.53 # so the animations are drawn with movement-per-frame 21.26.59 # as opposed to movement per time 21.27.12 # so it would seem 21.27.20 # it's an impressive game actually just needs some work as most of rockbox does :-p 21.27.39 # the bubbles falling animation is particularly impressive to me as a total non-game programmer 21.27.41 # you've had 5 years, shouldn't you be done by now? :P 21.28.10 # Febs, I think I'll have to revert that last commit. I cannot build the manual. 21.28.33 # Febs, that is, I have too many changes pending. I'll look into it in a while 21.28.57 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 21.31.09 Quit lodesi ("Leaving") 21.32.36 # and here he is 21.32.57 Quit MrStaticVoid ("leaving") 21.33.27 # * lostlogic bites Rotator 21.33.39 # lostlogic: o.O 21.34.11 # Has doxygen been tried before on Rockbox? 21.34.19 # RotAtoR: <3 bubbles... in terms of game play... but ... drawing at full frame rate when there is no input... seems overkill, and more importantly causes playback to die on ipoop 5g 21.34.37 # RotAtoR: also, there's one missing yield in one of the frame rate limitting loops line 2525 21.34.51 # hmm, ok, i'll have a look 21.35.10 # RotAtoR: when the animatoins aren't running, the screen should only be updated when the user does something probably... to reduce cpu waste, battery usage and allow audio not to skip :) 21.35.40 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.35.42 Quit Moos (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.35.58 # perhaps have an 'idle mode' for the handlebuttons function where it uses a button_get_w_tmo to keep your game timers running even though nothing is changing 21.36.27 # hope I didn't break skin biting you... I have rabies afterall. 21.36.39 Part huntermic 21.36.40 # * Mikachu puts on kevlar suit 21.36.49 # yeah, i think the whole button handling part needs some more thought 21.37.05 # i didn't put a whole lot of thought into it when originally writing it 21.38.16 # RotAtoR: *nod* at the moment I don't have any brilliant thoughts, but it might be possible to have the handle buttons only called from the main loop and not from the other animation loops... or is it a game requirement that input cancels animations and 'skips ahead' to the next complete state? 21.38.28 Join kernelsensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 21.38.43 Join webguest26 [0] (n=5087fc43@labb.contactor.se) 21.38.58 # is there a way to figure out the current frame while playing ? (i.e. to reuse that value later with audio_seamless_seek(pos) ? 21.38.59 # well, i wanted to be able to still aim while the animations are running 21.39.26 # but no, you can't cancel the animations 21.40.11 # when animations are running you want full fps of course, so you only need the extra sleeping when nothing is running... so the only things that can cause movement on screen is the Hurry thing and the user pressing a button 21.40.22 # so just button_get_w_tmo(time to next Hurry) should do it? 21.40.26 # dpro: I forget, is seemless_seek taking a time or byte value? 21.40.43 # if i'm missing some important part just ignore me 21.40.50 # dpro: either way, the id3 struct contains offset and elapsed values that should give you whichever value you need 21.40.56 # I think it's the elapsed tie in MS that you seek to 21.40.58 # time 21.41.04 # Mikachu: possibly, i may have to rethink some of the timing code then 21.41.25 # i also noticed the animation speeds seem to depend on fps 21.41.29 # how do I hide folders in rockbox from explorer 21.41.32 # but that's less important 21.41.49 # explorer? 21.41.59 # preglow: did you forget the dsp_arm.S file? 21.42.01 # windows explorer 21.42.20 # i'm not sure why you'd want to, but you can try setting the hidden and/or system attribute on them 21.42.21 # lostlogic: I guess it's frames 21.42.29 # there are options in explorer to show files with those attributes though 21.42.31 # if i name the file .something will it work 21.42.37 # preglow: nvm 21.42.39 # lastlogic: or time in what then ? msec ? 21.42.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.43.03 # dpro: it's time in msec, I believe that's how all seeking is based now that I think about it 21.43.27 # i'm pretty sure bookmarks save the times in ms 21.44.35 # how does rockbox hide its files 21.45.12 # lostlogic: it doesn't exist yet 21.45.20 # preglow: yeah, I figured taht out, I'm just a bit slow. 21.45.40 # i figure it'll come when i do new resamplers and stuff 21.45.44 # there's a new crossfeed coming too 21.45.44 # webguest26, it either respest the hidden attribute or hides files starting with . (unless you have the Show All Files option turned on) 21.45.48 # the rabies eating my brain is my excuse 21.46.26 # thank you, 21.46.29 Part webguest26 21.47.24 # * Mikachu hands lostlogic a braineating zombie 21.48.45 # can anyone help with the following error: -bash: ../tools/configure: Permission Denied 21.49.02 # (using the debian based dev environment) 21.49.21 Nick Kyomi is now known as Kyomi|off (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 21.49.23 # arf-arf, check the configure file is executable 21.49.37 # i.e. has the --x bit set 21.49.46 # i tried chmod -x configure 21.50.16 # you want +x 21.50.29 # And that would be why then! Thanks 21.51.21 Quit SereRokR ("XChat Aqua") 21.52.08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.52.16 # If I have a local revision, lets say 1.9 of a file. How do I tell cvs to update that also? 21.52.33 # It doesn't update that file now 21.52.39 # tucoz: as in you cvs up -r 1.9 file before ? 21.52.40 # -A 21.52.42 # tucoz: cvs up -A 21.52.42 # yeah 21.52.48 # omg owned 21.52.48 # lostlogic, thanks 21.52.54 # Mikachu, thanks 21.52.58 # :-) 21.53.40 # i have -dP in my alias, but i don't quite remember why 21.54.25 # P is prune I think, and d is delete deleted files 21.54.35 # (I think) 21.54.40 # almost, d is create directories if they're missing 21.54.46 # P removes empty dirs 21.55.01 # and -d gets new directories 21.55.03 # yes, isn't that called prune? 21.55.05 # so that's almost always what you want 21.55.07 # hehe 21.55.23 # but -A is not :) 21.55.34 # tucoz: prune in some contexts means remove a directory and all contents ... it's a FAT feature that allows to remove a whole directory tree w/o recursing 21.55.43 # does rockbox maintain its own playcount or can that sync with itunes? 21.55.57 # gunpowda: no, rockbox doesn't sync with itunes at all 21.56.26 # lostlogic, ok. I see. 21.56.32 # hum 21.56.43 # has anything changed re: codecs in the past 36 or so hours? 21.56.58 # i seem to be getting loads of distortion when playing certain files today 21.57.16 # crash, maybe the equalizer stuff 21.57.29 # hazum 21.57.33 # the defaults being changed or somesuch 21.57.46 # crashd: you use eq? 21.57.52 # nope 21.57.57 # then it's not the eq 21.57.59 # O.o 21.58.00 # crash, equalizer settings will probably need adjusting after todays commit 21.58.11 # maybe ive turned it on accidentally or something 21.58.14 # * crashd takes a look 21.58.27 # crashd: what format of files cause the problem? always the same files? 21.58.39 # lostlogic: well, ive had some mp3's on here since if irst installed rockbox 21.58.55 # and i listened to it about an hour ago on the way up here, and it sounded different 21.58.59 # havent had a chance to check other stuff yet 21.59.36 # hmm 21.59.43 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp84-adsl-136.ath.forthnet.gr) 21.59.44 # the eq isnt on or anything funky like that 21.59.44 # Febs, there is something wrong with your patch I committed. Probably a \opt{option <-forgotten } or something like that 21.59.52 # Hello All! 22.00.00 # At last I made the Vmware image to build the sim 22.00.12 # it needs quite some packages 22.00.21 # tucoz, I can try re-doing the patch. I just built the manual with no problem, however. 22.00.53 # it needs a file manager, Xserver with x-window and libsdl-dev 22.01.03 # Febs, ok. Try just to build a few targets before uploading a patch 22.01.44 # I installed gnome-core as the file manager for my choice, but you can install anything you like from blackbox and fluxbox to even KDE 22.01.49 # Febs, I think I tried myself. But now everything fails when I try to build it. But it works if I retrieve an older revision of the file. 22.01.51 # crashd: got nothing, but I'm pointing at preglow. 22.02.47 # Great. I broke the manual. ;( 22.03.22 # Febs, no worries. It's extremely easy to do that. One missing } somewhere and youre lost 22.03.27 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.03.34 # Febs, I look at the patch myself 22.03.41 # are you able to listen to music while viewing pictures on rockbox? 22.03.51 # PhR3aK: there's a patch 22.04.00 # or was that committed already? 22.04.03 # Mikachu, wasn't that already in? 22.04.05 # * Mikachu cvs diff jpeg.c 22.04.10 # I'll go back to the file and see if I can find any errors. BTW, I was able to compile the manual for both the recorder and H300. 22.04.15 # oh yeah, it's in 22.04.19 # PhR3aK: yes. 22.04.20 # :) 22.04.22 # PhR3aK, you should be able to but only up to a certain size 22.04.28 # file size that is 22.04.37 # Febs, it could be something I made as well. We'll see. 22.04.38 # i think the uncompressed size is the crux 22.05.09 # k... most of my pics are converted into screens size... so it should be no problem (160x128) ;) 22.06.07 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 22.06.08 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c204153.adsl.hansenet.de) 22.06.21 # tucoz, the manual builds for me with what's in CVS 22.06.27 # it would be excellent if rockbox synched to the Play Counts file 22.06.36 # safetydan, really? Hmm, wonder what is wrong here then 22.06.48 # safetydan, did you just check out? 22.06.54 # tucoz, let me do another update and check. I'm building for h120 22.06.56 # like within the last 5 minutes 22.07.10 # tucoz, yeah 22.07.12 # In that case, it's ok. I just reverted a commit 22.07.15 # ah 22.07.37 # safetydan, try to get revision 1.10 of configure_rockbox/main.tex and see if it works 22.08.10 # ! LaTeX Error: \begin{itemize} on input line 10 ended by \end{document}. 22.08.30 # safetydan, same as I got 22.09.08 # revision 1.11 (which is 1.9) works though 22.09.26 # I'll see if I can find the error (which I expect to be very minor) 22.09.35 # and unfindable 22.09.37 Part Paul_The_Nerd 22.09.49 Join mmohr [0] (n=mmohr@85.220.132.199) 22.10.26 # tucoz, check line 429 of configure_rockbox/main.tex 22.10.33 # Ok 22.10.40 # is that supposed to be commented out? 22.10.48 # maybe 22.11.39 # uncommenting it gets the manual building again 22.11.40 Join Massa [0] (n=Massa@85.220.132.199) 22.11.45 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m20.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.11.46 # no idea if it looks okay 22.12.01 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.12.23 Quit mmohr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.12.30 # safetydan, thanks regardless of how it looks :-D 22.12.51 # Hi everybody! 22.13.17 # are there plans to put the cvs bulds of the manual on the website? or have I just missed them somewhere? 22.13.31 Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.13.31 # tim66, there will be. soon. 22.14.30 # t0mas: It seems we lost a build box 22.14.48 # Febs, I commit it again now. It seems to work :) Just a stupid % in the wrong place 22.16.11 # It seems the 82.165... box didn'tz build the last 3 rounds 22.17.53 # 239 seconds! 22.18.05 # it flies 22.18.29 # Bagder: you're the curl guy right?, sorry for being slightly offtopic 22.18.37 # Mikachu: that's me 22.18.48 # i have a program here that claims i should be using 7.15.4 or higher of libcurl, but 7.15.3 is the last one, isn't it? 22.18.51 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 22.19.09 # Mikachu: correct 22.19.24 # okay, crazy program then 22.19.31 # Bagder: Do you know what happened to 82.165... ? 22.19.40 # I'll check 22.20.11 # Maybe t0mas misspelt the hostname, iirc he switched to hostnames where possible 22.21.03 # it is removed from the list 22.21.15 # ah no 22.21.22 Join nnod [0] (n=donn@219-89-13-219.dialup.xtra.co.nz) 22.21.33 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.22.37 Quit tianjing (Remote closed the connection) 22.22.58 # it looks ok to me 22.23.48 # man, 5 seconds per build. Is that a record? 22.23.57 # think so 22.23.59 # really impressive 22.24.03 # It's improper rounding though 22.24.10 # party pooper 22.24.32 # I need to go float on that one! ;-) 22.24.36 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 22.24.41 # hehe 22.24.57 # Fixed point! ;-) 22.25.12 # * safetydan flees the channel at the mention of fixed-point 22.25.23 # oops ;) 22.26.02 # amiconn: he switched me to be lostlogicx.com from 82.whatever 22.26.12 # yes 22.26.20 # Maybe the full hostname is needed 22.26.36 Quit dpro ("l8r") 22.26.46 # ah yes 22.26.47 # maybe it stalled asking for "yes" to accept host key? 22.26.52 # exactly 22.26.55 # fixed now 22.27.06 # coo' 22.29.09 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 22.30.58 # we want sub 200 times! ;-) 22.31.27 # So are there any plans updating the vmware image? Or should we add more information on how to build the sim and the manul in VMware? 22.31.42 # more info on the wiki 22.31.44 # please 22.32.51 # I should take the step and update the wiki then. But IMHO a new image that contains a small window manager, sdl, xserver and ;atex packages is better 22.33.15 # I think I agree 22.33.27 # There should probably be two versions of the image then 22.33.45 # That should be possible 22.33.47 # "Light" which contains the bare minimums to patch and compile, and "Full" which includes SDL, Latex, etc. 22.33.54 # great idea 22.33.59 # What should also be possible is trimming the existing image a bit 22.34.07 # yes 22.34.19 # Of course, if we're distributing by Bittorrent anyway, size becomes a bit less of an annoyances. 22.34.41 # But I will leave that to you linux guys. Setting all these my self took some time, for a newbie like me 22.35.00 # I believe that the shrink feature of vmware tools wasn't used to reclaim unused space in the virtual disk file, 22.35.09 # as there are no vmware tools in the image 22.35.20 # also why are there 2 virtual disks? 22.35.56 # One contains just the swap partition, so should be of neglectible size in the distribution 22.36.02 # (but can grow locally) 22.36.19 # * amiconn is checking the license of vmware tools 22.37.50 # can the rockbox image be mounted as a second disk from another vmware session and shrunk from there? 22.38.12 # doing something similar in Virtual PC has always given me smaller iamges 22.38.13 # strange I have 2 virual disks. One with 208 MB of data, then another one with 0,98 GB of data. Add to that a vmem file that is 256 MB of data 22.38.43 # ofcourse I have installed many more packages to set up the sim 22.38.56 # Well, it also grows quite a bit when you extract it 22.39.20 # The vmem is a memory mirror, to allow freezing the vm 22.40.07 # we should definitely improve the package. VMware compile speeds are awesome. Building the sim on cygwin is a waste 22.42.40 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.43.08 # XavierGr: if you want to polish the vmware image, I'd suggest to add at least vim, screen and rdate :) 22.43.24 # and emacs 22.43.34 # I don't really see vim and emacs falling within the "necessary" category 22.43.38 # if that isn't there already 22.43.39 # and curl! ;-) 22.43.46 # and openbox! :P 22.43.48 # The VMWare image is primarily for people who use Windows to edit their files anyway 22.44.01 # you can't build a dev environment wihtout vim... can you? 22.44.02 # :) 22.44.07 # is there an ipod wps simulator? 22.44.10 # no, not really ;) 22.44.11 # what's vim? 22.44.13 # * Bagder ducks 22.44.19 # Paul_The_Nerd, I know. I just wanted emacs as vim was suggested 22.44.26 # Hmm, vmware tools say nothing about licensing 22.44.28 # I'm trying to figure out why a redundant artist tag appears 22.44.28 # * lostlogic hurls molten solder at bagder 22.44.38 # * Bagder ducks more 22.44.55 # I tried to install vmware tools on my image but I failed miserably 22.45.01 # gunpowda, no specific wps simulator. But there are simulators for all the ipods 22.45.11 # amiconn: Remind me please what those tools can add... 22.45.12 # gunpowda, that is rockbox simulators 22.45.20 # ok, sounds good 22.45.43 # someone asked me for help with a script and opened it in nano... I was seriously having finger cramps from aborting vim commands while showing him a few changes in the file. 22.46.03 # Time synchronisation between guest & host, shared folders, ability to shrink virtual disk files (as root, and for supported file systems) 22.46.10 # I'm wondering why %ar%ca, d b | l:M displays an artist tag 22.46.16 # ext2/ext3 are supported 22.46.41 # shared folders even if there are in different formal? (ext2,3 ntfs) 22.46.43 Join rUiSu [0] (n=ircap8@red-corp-201.130.184.163.telnor.net) 22.46.59 # Ah, and faster networking 22.47.10 # seems a must then 22.47.20 # should be Sun, 23 Mar | 9:46 but I get Sun, 23 Mar | 9:46ArtistName 22.47.22 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 22.47.23 # Plus mouse synchronisation/auto-unfocus 22.47.37 # amiconn, yes, that's _definitely_ needed 22.47.46 # hello, im rUiSu, im looking to see about the gigabeat port 22.47.52 # gunpowda: Don't you need to close a %c with a c at the end? 22.47.56 # amiconn: are you willing to update the image? It seems you knwo what you do. :D 22.48.12 # * amiconn has vmware workstation 5.5 22.48.16 # rUiSu: markun is the poor lone guy working on that 22.48.41 # yup, i know, i wish i could know how to do some code, i mean, i have linux but im meerly 17 22.49.09 # young people learn fast they say! ;-) 22.49.38 # yup, i am learning game maker :P 22.49.43 # ah. let me try 22.50.13 # perfect. 22.50.17 # XavierGr: I would like to... 22.50.22 # :) 22.50.29 # * amiconn is supposed to be working on .lang 22.50.31 # rUiSu, combine that with aspiring Rockbox-hacker and you have a winner 22.50.35 # Please do 22.50.39 # jaja 22.50.51 # wow latex packages are ~50MB! 22.51.03 # * amiconn was instead working on mas pcm, which is giving him a serious headache 22.51.03 # my wish-list: 1) tagcache 2) album art read from file 3) lyrics read from file 4) playcount 22.51.21 # 5)Mod playback 22.51.22 # gunpowda: Album Art read-from-file is kinda unlikely. 22.51.28 # so, i dont need to learn other code but the rockbox's? 22.51.40 # really? 22.51.45 # gunpowda: Not all file formats support that, so a more flexible system is just reading from individual album images. 22.51.48 # I'm thinking mainly in terms of itunes 22.52.04 # yup, but for the vast majority of ipod owners it would be very helpful 22.52.05 # rUiSu, Rockbox is written mostly in C 22.52.25 # * amiconn missed the end of an iPod mini auction :( 22.52.26 # damn, ok, ill try to see some tutorials :P 22.52.36 # saving the image in every mp3 also seems a little silly 22.52.41 # im sure if i continue, i can finish this soon 22.52.42 # jeje 22.52.46 # gunpowda: But the idea is for functions to work for *everyone* similarly. In the end, it's just more flexible if it loads from file, and it also means you don't have 13 copies of the same image, per album 22.53.06 # Album art embedded in audio files seems silly 22.53.15 # on second thoughts, I'm wrong 22.53.20 # Wouldn't be album art this way, rather track art 22.53.21 # thought*. 22.53.26 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.53.26 # iTunes doesn't write to the file 22.53.37 # it writes to some AlbumArt file 22.53.43 # amiconn: And the current Album Art patch supports track art if you just match the filename.bmp 22.53.53 Quit Massa (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 22.53.55 # gunpowda: So, it's specific to the iTunesDB 22.54.01 Join Massa [0] (n=Massa@85.220.132.199) 22.54.54 # its C++ or just plain C? 22.54.59 # rUiSu: Just C 22.55.13 # sure, but, e.g. the wheel functions are specific to the ipod, right? 22.55.16 # and assembler in some parts 22.55.21 # good 22.55.49 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.56.08 Join bam_ [0] (n=bam@pool-71-108-99-77.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.56.08 # gunpowda: Yeah, but those are hardware-drivers. You're talking about supporting the iTunesDB. That's trying to integrate Rockbox with iTunes. 22.56.34 Quit Nico_P () 22.56.38 # gunpowda: While plugins may do that, Rockbox has its own DB format, and is going to generally try to stay software-independent. 22.56.46 # yeah, fair point 22.57.19 # And as I said, someone could create a plugin or patch to support it, but I imagine the core method is going to stay application-independent. 22.57.31 # ok, im off to study C, in a week Ill be back :) 22.57.36 # ..or more 22.57.37 # And probably not dependent on the tagging capabilities of a specific format. 22.57.38 # depending 22.57.40 # but given that Rockbox demands default boot status (I'd prefer this to be configurable) it would be very useful for it to have the core firmware features 22.57.52 Quit rUiSu ("• IRcap [8.12] • www.ircap.com •") 22.58.01 # * amiconn disagrees 22.58.03 # hey, a patch is fine by me : ) 22.58.11 # gunpowda: Album art will be supported though. You're demanding that Rockbox supports iTunes, not rockbox supporting the same *features* 22.58.55 # morning 22.58.59 # gunpowda: Also, the iPodLinux Loader2 lets you set the default boot, I understand. ;-) 22.59.21 # yeah? 22.59.42 # does that necessitate an extra delay? 22.59.54 # got a quick question if I am playing one playlist and I want to add a song(the one thats playing) to say another playlist, is this possible? 23.00.08 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-98.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.00.35 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.01.03 # why does the status of the lcd driver for the x5 turn back to 90%? 23.01.07 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 23.01.44 # wasnt it already 100%? 23.02.59 # bam_: Only if you load the other playlist, then browse to the song and choose insert. 23.03.10 # hmmm...ok 23.03.18 # bam_, no but it's a much requested feature 23.03.35 # lostlogic: was your ipv voltage ever above 4.21V? 23.03.39 # can't you almost do that with the favorites stuff? 23.03.41 # safetydan: it is? 23.03.42 # hopefully its implemented soon 23.03.54 # Paul_The_Nerd, playlist catalog sort of thing 23.03.57 # favorites? 23.04.21 # well it would you let you do that sort of thing yes 23.04.21 # safetydan: Aaaah. So you'd be able to pop up the context menu from WPS, choose catalog, choose a playlist, and choose to add this song to it? 23.04.38 # Paul_The_Nerd, pretty much 23.04.42 # [22:27:06] maybe it stalled asking for "yes" to accept host key? 23.04.43 # lol 23.04.49 # could have known that... 23.04.53 # Paul_The_Nerd, there's a patch floating around but it needs work 23.05.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2624 23.05.13 # safetydan: It's surprising how many features I don't ever thing "Man, I wish I could do this" but when someone else brings it up I think "Oh, that would be pretty neat" 23.05.20 # s/thing/think 23.05.38 # bam_: go to browse plugins - favorites 23.05.44 # ok 23.05.45 # bam_: and i think it saves the current song to /favorites.m3u 23.08.00 # any way to "assign" the plugin to a button? 23.08.13 # now what to do 23.08.30 # preglow: Equalizer visualization! :-P 23.08.34 # * Paul_The_Nerd hides 23.08.34 # haha 23.08.41 # that's actually almost finished 23.08.48 # Aaarrrrgh! 23.08.49 # it's just that i can't make it accurate enough 23.08.52 # Aaah 23.09.00 # i need help from some greater fixed point lord 23.09.03 # [IDC]Dragon was using the wrong SCI.... 23.09.05 # preglow: fix this bug, http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3016 :) 23.09.11 # amiconn: wav codec? 23.10.01 # you get where I am going with this right? 23.10.24 Join tianjing_ [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 23.10.48 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 23.11.14 # amiconn: is there a wip version of the mas wav codec, I could have a look at? 23.11.28 # wip version? 23.11.32 Quit sharpe (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.35 # work in progress 23.11.42 Quit Massa (No route to host) 23.11.44 # or is it finished already ;) 23.11.49 # nope 23.11.53 # Still no sound 23.12.05 # I wonder what we're doing wrong now 23.12.17 # I already fixed a couple of things 23.12.25 # is it freezing after download? 23.12.35 # or just no sound? 23.13.00 # Doesn't freeze, but doesn't give the expected 'answers' either. No sound 23.13.13 # does it answer at all? 23.13.26 # Well, I can read back what I've writen 23.13.39 # well, that's just reading the latches? 23.13.43 # So i2c writing seems to work 23.13.47 # ahh, right 23.13.49 # of course 23.13.57 # amiconn: also the code you have written? 23.14.14 # There are some configuration cells to set, and some status cells to read 23.14.35 # The status cells aren't doing what they should 23.15.25 Quit tianjing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.17.37 # amiconn: is ApplicationRunning correct? 23.17.45 # no 23.17.57 # It stays 0x0000, the initial value 23.18.05 # 0x00000 even 23.18.06 # hmm 23.20.22 # does anyone with a ipod photo have problems with the backlight not turning off? 23.21.34 # does anyone have an ipodloader2 binary? 23.21.40 # you haven't set it to always on in the settings by accident? 23.22.38 # oh, also, how can I abort a make? 23.22.45 # ctrl+c? 23.22.53 # its how you abort almost anything 23.23.15 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 23.23.21 # if you want to be rude you can press ctrl+\ 23.23.25 # or ctrl+z if somethings really wrong and then you should probably killall -9 the process if suspending didnt do it 23.23.39 # oo ctrl+\ 23.23.40 # amiconn: everything in the mas is 20 bits? 23.23.43 # i didnt know about that 23.24.05 # preglow: Most. Some cells only use 16 bit 23.24.10 # unless the program did something funny to the terminal, it's the same as kill -9 23.24.39 # amiconn: yeah, i guess they use the same kind of multiplier logic as in emac, then 23.25.08 # Hmm, at least the downloadable software is running. I just saw a life sign 23.25.17 # amiconn: what exactly do you write to start playback? 23.25.41 # MAIN_IO_CONTROL is initialised (in the downloadable code) with 0x0125 (bit0 == validate bit == 1). 23.25.56 # It is reset to 0x124 (validation accepted) after running 23.26.09 # tha is good :) 23.26.17 Quit ender` (" I have defined the hundred per cent American as ninety-nine per cent an idiot. -- George Bernard Shaw") 23.26.46 # umm there are no voice files for rockbox daily builds? 23.27.53 # Is it again reset when you write 0x125 in there again? 23.27.55 # Daishi: Voice files are *usually* just updated at releases. For a while there were intermittent updates between, but at the moment we can't use the AT&T voice software that had been used to create the daily ones. 23.28.18 # oo there is but the links dont work 23.28.20 # oo sucks 23.28.25 # how come? license stuff? 23.29.13 # supposedly license stuff 23.29.18 # Daishi: Exactly. We thought we were within the license. They sent a C&D letter. It's possible they thought we didn't have a legally purchased license, but for the moment it's best that they not be available until that's cleared up. 23.29.34 # we have a path worked out for that 23.29.44 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.29.53 # oo that blows 23.30.05 # Bagder: That's good to hear. I rather liked Audrey. Hehehe 23.31.14 # http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/team.jpg 23.31.31 # Ahaha, hilarious 23.31.45 # (not directed at Bagder) 23.31.48 # hehe 23.31.57 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.31.59 # * amiconn just discovered a stooopid bug 23.33.10 # Bug Not Invented By Me (tm) 23.34.42 # lostlogic's server is back in the game now at least 23.35.13 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 23.35.57 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day (Client Quit) 23.36.27 # w00000t :-) 23.36.34 # The MAS is making noises! 23.36.49 # * amiconn does the 1337 MAS black magic dance 23.36.52 # how we like noise! 23.37.10 # Not called music for now, but noise!!! 23.37.16 # gentlemen, we have noise! 23.37.25 # wooo 23.37.33 # noise if often promising! 23.37.43 # Actually the music is even somewhat recognisable 23.37.49 # * Paul_The_Nerd cheers 23.37.53 # hahaha 23.38.01 # Too slow and stuttering like hell 23.38.08 # Apparently I'm definitely getting an AJBRv1 23.38.11 # ammicon: maybe an endian problem? 23.38.15 # No 23.38.27 # The serial xfer is absolutely crap, so small wonmder 23.38.46 # ahh, serial is used... 23.38.48 # I'm just throwing data at the mas, in a stupid software loop 23.38.56 # stooopid 23.39.03 # without any synchronisation to demand etc 23.39.17 # any annoying bugs? :> 23.39.26 # ...and updating the lcd every 2KB doesn't really help 23.39.28 # just spill all the entertaining ones 23.39.56 # amiconn: i think we'll have to disable that anyway if we're ever going to do flac, heh 23.40.05 Quit PhR3aK ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 23.40.06 # amiconn: do you use headers? 23.40.11 # This is debug output 23.40.19 # herz42: No, not yet 23.40.34 # I've disabled that for now, to get at least *something* 23.40.39 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 23.40.40 # you have to write the headers too? 23.40.55 # It's a bit vague 23.41.10 # surprise 23.41.23 # The text says headers are mandatory with serial xfers. The table says 'recommended' 23.41.26 Quit vu2097 ("leaving") 23.42.40 # amiconn: it depends how the serial transfers start. If sender and receiver are in sync, it can work. 23.42.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.43.20 Quit nnod (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.47 # amiconn: or if they are out of sync, you'll get crappy sound like you have described... 23.45.06 # The byte synchronisation is no problem 23.45.11 # It's a SCI 23.45.28 # The crappy sound results from the super-lame playback loop 23.45.35 # It simply can't cope 23.45.38 # amiconn: yes, but not on the mas side 23.45.39 Join MrStaticVoid [0] (n=jlee@69-175-94-207.frdrmd.adelphia.net) 23.46.44 # herz42: Do you have an archos recorder? 23.47.06 # I have, but it's unfortunately broken :( 23.51.07 # gnight 23.52.57 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 23.53.15 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 23.53.25 # With 24 kHz stereo it plays ok 23.53.32 # STill no demand checking 23.54.05 # * amiconn needs to hijack DMA 23.54.27 # amiconn: so it is perfect, or wraps some times? 23.54.46 # Far from perfect 23.54.55 # But hey, it plays music! 23.55.13 # I can try and record what my archos produces with my iriver 23.55.20 # ..or just my pc 23.55.35 # can you change the SCI speed? 23.55.44 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.55.46 # Hmm, maybe that helps 23.55.51 # I'll set it to max 23.56.06 # In mp3 mode the MAS is limited to 1 Mbps 23.56.38 # the 1Mbps would fit somehow to the 768kbps for 24kHz... 23.56.48 # yepp 23.56.58 # The possible maximum for SH1 is cpuclk/4 23.57.09 # That's slightly less than 3 Mbps 23.57.13 # for recorder 23.57.28 # you should get close to 1,5Mbps 23.57.45 # if you send too fast, it will also sound crappy 23.57.48 # I should get above that, and then regulate by polling the demand pin 23.58.06 # yes, of course that will be the final solution :) 23.58.19 # I thought yus for testing without demand 23.58.32 # s/yus/just/