--- Log for 31.03.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 5 days and 6 hours ago 00.00.05 # bluebrother^, looks good 00.00.10 # scf: The X5 is a smaller screen. 00.00.30 # much better. (not that I remember what the looked like). But this looks goood 00.00.31 # :) 00.00.32 # linuxstb: holey cack, what's the key loayout for that model? 00.00.38 # preglow: Why? This way, the thread pretends that it sends the disk to sleep. What actually happens is nothing 00.00.43 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-137.kotinet.com) 00.00.45 # just look at the online manuals ;-) 00.00.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: ah true, thanx 00.00.51 # miner49er: All the working ipod ports have the same keypad - IPOD_4G_PAD 00.00.55 # ...but ata_disk_is_active() returns the pretended sleep state 00.01.22 # is that the thing i "fixed"? 00.01.25 # amiconn: yeah, but the sleep state is never changed, is it? 00.01.38 # amiconn: now it just pretends it's never sleeping 00.01.40 # linuxstb: phew, that's okay then. So, all iPods have the scrolly-wheel thingy? 00.01.43 # bluebrother^, really nice. I'll commit this 00.01.55 # Aumm, you're right 00.01.55 # linuxstb: could you have a look at the 4g battery stuff? 00.02.00 # That shouldn't be... 00.02.05 # 4g greyscale 00.02.26 # miner49er: They all have the wheel. Not all of them have the wheel also be the 4 buttons. 00.02.33 # * amiconn didn't check that 'sleeping' is set within ata_perform_sleep() 00.02.39 # amiconn: what surprises me is the fact that the only thing that really changed now from before, is that some mutex locking isn't done, and the sleeping variable isn't set 00.03.03 # I'm too tired to think about battery scaling now, but I will try and do it tomorrow evening. I'll try and run a battery test for my 4g Color during the day tomorrow, and then I can compare it with the greyscale. 00.03.10 # Paul_the_nerd: aah right. This is useful information, I will forget very soon though, of course. 00.03.33 # miner49er: Pictures of the various ipods http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 00.03.33 Quit petur () 00.03.38 # linuxstb: no worries, was just wondering if you would care to do it since you can test it 00.03.41 # preglow: Ah, perhaps it has to do with the wakeup that it tries to perform when it thinks the disk is sleeping? 00.03.55 # amiconn: very possibly, i haven't seen that part of the code, i think 00.04.00 # amiconn: at least that makes sense 00.04.16 # bluebrother^, committed 00.04.16 # Check lines 809ff and 1294ff 00.04.27 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 00.04.53 # amiconn: it does a soft reset? 00.05.16 Quit petur (Client Quit) 00.05.26 # yes, seems so 00.05.34 # amiconn: well, i think we can pretty much conclude that's the spot where stuff goes wrong 00.05.52 # Why should a soft reset go wrong? 00.06.08 # Isn't that basic ata standard? 00.06.14 # i have no idea 00.06.21 Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 00.06.24 # but it fits very much with everything i've seen so far 00.06.24 # yo 00.06.38 # Hmmm.... 00.07.16 # sounds a bit strange to need to do a soft reset to wake something 00.07.21 # but i have no idea at all about ata 00.07.40 # The ata specs are in the wiki 00.07.58 # i'm waaay too tired to read anything at all right now :) 00.08.01 # it'll have to wait 00.08.32 # * amiconn is also tired :/ 00.09.18 # question.....40gb ipod 4gen.....flac possible? 00.09.22 # sean: sure 00.09.26 # sean: it works very well 00.09.31 # fastest codec we have 00.10.19 # yeah? 00.10.25 # how do u ... .do it 00.10.26 # lol 00.10.34 # is there a readme or something im missing 00.10.37 # do what? 00.10.39 # play flacs? 00.10.41 # yeah 00.10.41 # you just play them 00.10.45 # onto ipod? 00.10.48 Quit ender` (" Come to think of it, there are already a million monkeys on a million typewriters, and IRC is nothing like Shakespeare.") 00.10.52 # ehh 00.10.58 # how far are you? you even got rockbox on the thing? 00.11.07 # no not yet 00.11.07 # lol 00.11.16 # then that quite obviously needs doing 00.11.20 # hahahaha 00.11.29 # is there a readme? 00.11.33 # after you've got that going, a lame bull should be able to make flac work 00.11.49 # whats a lame bull 00.11.53 # sean: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 00.12.09 # sean: a male cow that can't move 00.12.11 # sean: a bull with severe difficulties in moving 00.12.23 # haha 00.12.40 # sweet 00.12.51 # so i install this and it will support flacs and such? 00.12.53 # very cool. 00.13.08 # yes it will 00.13.21 # and yes it is 00.13.38 # alrite ima try this ish....thanks man 00.15.16 Quit matsl (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.15.42 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-195-14-222-188.netcologne.de) 00.15.51 Quit biffhero_ ("buh, bye!") 00.19.30 # amiconn: sweet mother of satan, that thing is 400 pages 00.20.25 # * amiconn wants a HD66753 datasheet 00.20.52 # oops, I've just decided to upgrade from debian sarge to etch...I hope I can still code after this... 00.21.11 # miner49er: better start with more basic stuff like hoping you can boot 00.21.14 # miner49er: hoping you can login 00.21.47 # so...how long does ROLO normally take to load a new rockbox file? 00.22.19 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.22.43 # amiconn: spec says only way of waking a sleeping device is soft reset, hard reset or DEVICE RESET 00.23.29 # m00s: it appears i'm not registerd... 00.23.44 # MrStaticVoid: as long as rockbox takes to boot up 00.24.04 # then it must be freezing for me 00.24.15 # amiconn: I have a copy of the HD66753 datasheet in Japanese. 00.24.20 # lostlogic: did you see what i wrote about id3 tag view thing? 00.24.27 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.24.28 Join egotrippen [0] (n=c7616225@labb.contactor.se) 00.24.28 # linuxstb: I only found the HD66571 00.24.29 # Moos: i'm not regesterd 00.24.43 # Mikachu: don't think so... does it relate to me specifically? 00.24.52 # ummm i cant find what number my ipod is 00.24.55 # preglow: i don't know if this helps, but hdparm manual says the same thing for -Y, but for -y says standby mode also causes a spindown 00.24.56 # for the ipodpatcher thing 00.25.11 Join tabby [0] (n=chatzill@FLH1Aai100.hyg.mesh.ad.jp) 00.25.18 # lostlogic: yes, scrolling the wheel in that screen only goes one step until you release the wheel and touch again, because it doesn't check for | BUTTON_REPEAT on ipods, and you changed that 00.25.27 # miner49er: registered your nick type /msg nickserv register 00.25.32 Nick scf is now known as Zzzcf (n=scf@141-113-207-82.ip.ukrtel.net) 00.25.37 # amiconn: http://www.davechapman.f2s.com/rockbox/j207335_hd66753.pdf 00.25.56 # lostlogic: it's on line 1100 in screens.c and the next case 00.26.14 Quit egotrippen (Client Quit) 00.26.51 # hm, that doesn't display correctly in xpdf 00.26.59 # how do i find which number my ipod is for the "ipodpatcher" 00.27.12 # Mikachu: ah, yes, we need to go around and check that places that should allow button_repeat do... 00.27.17 # same happens in several games I understand 00.27.19 # linuxstb: Thanks 00.27.39 # I hope the 66753 is similar enough to the 66751 to figure out some things 00.27.40 # lostlogic: ah, maybe it does happen in more places, this is the only one i noticed so far though 00.27.56 # Mikachu: there are plenty, a patch that fixes them would be muchly appreciated 00.27.57 # The update is definitely fishy, and I want to get display flip working etc 00.28.24 # The 66751 is 128x128 while the 753 is 168x132. The data layout is the same 00.29.27 # Moos: If you can test for me, I would appreciate that a lot but my bird (girlfriend) has just come home and I need to see to her. 00.29.44 # hey 00.29.46 # Nice :) Now I know the internal refresh rate. It's 69Hz, very similar to the H1x0 LCD 00.29.48 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.30.12 # Together with the somewhat slow panel this should work excellent for grayscale... 00.30.51 # Could anyone test if they can convert this bdf http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTB___24.bdf to rockbox fnt? Convbdf segfaults for me :-s 00.31.35 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 00.31.38 Quit RedBreva ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 00.32.13 # Hi, i want to ask something about ROCKbox logo. 00.32.14 # http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockboxlogo.png 00.32.16 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Rockboxlogo.png 00.32.17 # are these uses OK? 00.32.19 # If it isn't OK, please imform them on Talkpage or somewhere. 00.32.40 # miner49er: haha XD 00.32.47 # I'll check that, link? 00.32.48 Part tabby 00.32.59 # tabby: its fine enough 00.33.06 Join mustaqila [0] (i=unknown@jimas.demon.co.uk) 00.33.07 # tabby: I can't see how it wouldn't be, since it's distributed in the source as gpl 00.33.20 # * mustaqila rapes Xerion 00.33.22 # Bagder: How about the large version? 00.33.23 Part mustaqila 00.33.43 # we'll certainly license that under the same rules 00.33.58 # at least 00.34.02 # And more interesting, how about copyright/licensing of wiki contents? 00.34.16 # that is a good question! ;-) 00.34.42 # Agreed 00.35.17 Quit sean ("CGI:IRC") 00.35.34 # "Copyright © 1999-2006 by the contributing authors." not very informative 00.37.03 # is it just under regular copyright terms then? 00.37.32 # because that'd be unfortunate 00.39.17 Part nave7693 00.44.35 # amiconn: i think we can pretty much kiss a fast resolution of the m68k bug goodbye 00.45.08 # heh, is there anyway to support rvf on H120? 00.45.38 Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 00.45.46 # rockbox is awesome 00.45.54 # Yes, yes it is. 00.46.15 # so now i can just upload songs (AND FLAC!!!) as i please with my normal program? 00.46.17 # (winamp) 00.46.28 # upload? 00.46.42 # just open the ipod in explorer and copy the files wherever you want 00.46.44 # Absolutely (although I didn't know winamp had any sort of upload capabilities) 00.46.59 # yeah winamp new version can do it 00.47.05 # Unless you mean the winamp ipod thing? 00.47.08 # yeah 00.47.10 # shouldn't use that 00.47.13 # no? 00.47.19 # That's for working with Apple OS 00.47.25 # very true 00.47.31 # so explorer is the way to go? 00.47.33 # just copy the files unto your ipod in explorer 00.47.45 # anywhere? 00.47.50 # Or any other program that works in the same way 00.47.51 # Yes 00.47.54 # however you please 00.48.08 # wow 00.48.19 # how can i delte all the music i have on here now? 00.48.52 # Don't know how that works, better ask someone with an ipod :) 00.48.59 # (who's used appleos) 00.49.04 # there's a dir somewhere under Ipod_Control that has all the mp3 files 00.49.23 # yeah i remmeber that....do i just delete it....or delete the folders within it 00.49.24 # Mikachu: you did have a nano, yeah? 00.49.30 # yes, still do 00.49.31 # Mikachu: windows? linux? 00.49.41 # leenucks 00.49.54 # you ever get the blinking battery icon when disconnecting from disk mode? 00.50.07 # i use apple for transferring files 00.50.13 # riiight 00.50.23 # i just insert usb and wait 00.50.23 # i could try though 00.50.31 # it doesn't happen all the time 00.50.37 # i have the 'reboot to apple' menu entry 00.50.53 # and not rebooting on insert of usb 00.51.00 # so i don't actually have to touch the cable to switch 00.51.45 Join Aditya [0] (n=aditya@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 00.52.04 # any reason why my computer isnt reading it ? 00.52.26 # it seems menu+usb also reboots to apple with that patch 00.53.06 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 00.53.21 Part Aditya 00.53.54 # looking good 00.54.27 # Mikachu: and that never has any glitches of any kind? 00.54.54 # not that i've noticed, no 00.55.00 # good to know, good to know 00.55.17 # of course it won't reboot back to rockbox on unplugging by default though 00.55.27 # but i write a { to /dev/sda1 in my script :) 00.55.28 # Mikachu: ahh, forgot about that 00.55.54 # still cant my computer to read it when i plug it in 00.56.25 # whats the rvf viewer called 00.56.39 # i need sleep 00.56.42 # later, all 00.56.47 # good night 00.57.41 # nite Mikachu 00.58.05 # anyone know how to make the explorer read the ipod? or am i just retarded 01.01.59 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 01.03.54 # any way for me to check the number of pages of a pdf file? 01.04.52 # sean: You may need to tick a box in itunes to enable access via explorer. 01.06.05 Quit JoeBorn ("open.neurostechnology.com") 01.07.48 # Bagder: some time ago I found a script on the net that counted pages of a ps file. 01.07.56 # unfortunately I lost it. 01.08.53 # it isn't that important, I just thought it would be nice to show "X pages" next to the link 01.09.12 # Bagder: I'm not sure where it came from, but my Debian has a "pdfinfo" which displays the number of pages. 01.09.29 # * Bagder checks 01.10.17 # xpdf-utils it seems 01.10.52 # no poppler-utils it is 01.11.14 # I just tried pdfinfo ... but it gives me a wrong page count :( 01.11.20 # argh 01.11.30 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) 01.12.21 # linuxstb: dpkg -S pdfinfo 01.12.30 # it works for the two manuals I tried 01.12.38 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host81-129-197-109.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) 01.12.42 # recorder and iaudio 01.13.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.13.48 # strange. Mine is pdfinfo 3.01 so I guess it isn't _that_ old. 01.14.13 # "pdfinfo version 3.00" 01.14.18 # hehe 01.15.37 # anyway, I should go and catch some sleep 01.15.54 Quit bluebrother^ ("until tomorrow ...") 01.16.14 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 01.16.53 # * webguest26 boggles 01.16.56 # page count added 01.17.28 # Why on earth is convbdf segfaulting for me, and not for phaedrus961? Riddle me that. Same bdf file. 01.17.54 # Can anyone test if convbdf on this file works? http://webcvs.freedesktop.org/*checkout*/xorg/xc/fonts/bdf/100dpi/UTB___24.bdf 01.18.43 Join joshn_454 [0] (n=kvirc@ool-182d4545.dyn.optonline.net) 01.20.09 # Why is there a donate button on the manual page? 01.20.17 # isn't that sortof.. redundant? 01.23.44 Quit arkascha ("Konversation terminated!") 01.24.02 Quit Shadowarrior13 ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.24.29 Quit matsl ("Leaving") 01.26.34 # heh... maybe more people will see it webguest26 01.26.51 # i hope more people donate 01.27.06 # Well it's on that same page twice 01.27.18 # Just seems like a fork in the eye to me 01.27.35 # I'd keep the text but remove the button 01.27.49 # maybe say "click the paypal button on your left to donate" 01.28.43 # yeah.. i know what you are saying... 01.28.48 # but i guess it doesn't bother me 01.29.30 # Probably easier to stay sane that way 01.30.41 Quit sean ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.31.03 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.34.04 # Oh 01.34.08 Nick Kyomi|off is now known as Kyomi (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 01.34.16 # Anyone get the latest experimental build? 01.37.00 Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 01.37.03 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.35 # my computer wont read my ipod, its not that itunes "disk usage" isnt checked, winamp doesnt read it either, any ideas? 01.40.11 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@160.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 01.40.33 # sean: are you in apple os? 01.40.50 # nope win xp 01.41.05 # are you using the apple firmware on your ipod? 01.41.16 # i meant on your ipod.. 01.41.40 # um? i installed the rockbox os i thought 01.41.50 # i followed that guide someone sent me 01.41.57 # its in the rockbox os as of right now 01.41.57 # Anyone have the recent experimental build? 01.42.08 # sean: what's on the ipod's screen when the cable is plugged in? 01.42.14 # I've noticed that when you try to save a config file and push a-b... it doesn't work anymore 01.42.18 # same as when its not plugged in 01.42.25 # nothing changes 01.42.32 # well, rockbox doesn't support file transfers on ipods yet 01.42.32 # a-b gets you to some screen so you can move left/right in the text 01.42.33 # is the usb cable plugged in completely? 01.42.33 # its the rockbox os screen main menu 01.42.44 # er, both ends. 01.42.47 # so you need to reboot back to apple os or the disc mode to copy files 01.42.58 # oh 01.43.03 # how would i do either of those? 01.43.17 # while booting hold play and select for disk mide 01.43.18 # mode 01.43.22 # hold down play for a few seconds to turn off rockbox, then click menu (dont hold it down) then hold down menu 01.43.29 # for apple os 01.43.34 # and i guess play and select for disc mod 01.43.36 # e 01.43.52 # whats "disc mode" 01.44.05 # essentially where your ipod acts as a usb drive. 01.44.12 # thats what i want i think 01.44.54 # if you have a nano that mode is slower than apple os, but otherwise it's fine 01.45.08 # 40gb blck white, shoiuld be fine 01.45.51 # ok so to reboot to disc mode i have to restart it then hold those 2? 01.46.00 # yes 01.46.13 # and i restart how? 01.46.13 # yes, while the apple logo is displayed. 01.46.14 # :p 01.46.18 # hold menu and select 01.46.19 # er 01.46.20 # sean: i already told you 01.46.28 # you don't want to hold menu+select unless it crashed 01.46.33 # use just play for a few seconds 01.46.37 # yeah, but it always works. :) 01.47.16 # sick 01.47.18 # thanks guys 01.47.21 # thanks a lot 01.47.59 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.48.47 # amiconn, @ me not adapting wormlet for the minis - of course i didn't! :) 01.49.10 # midkay! 01.49.15 # sharpe! 01.50.32 # amiconn, holy crap.. from unworking to audio playback, bootable, usable in one day.. congrats! 01.52.25 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.53.01 Join Vertigo_t [0] (i=vertah@cor7-ppp913.bur.dsl.connect.net.au) 01.53.30 Quit sean ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.53.48 # w00t! decently fast and accurate seeking for musepack?! http://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=299 01.53.58 # * RotAtoR wets himself with glee 01.54.10 # O.O 01.54.15 # Great 01.54.18 # yeah 01.54.25 # i haven't stopped RotAtoR 01.54.36 # been running it on my iaudio for 2 days now 01.54.39 # or something like that 01.55.08 # * Moos have plenty of mpc's too :) 01.55.18 # this is such good news, my entire collection is mpc! 01.55.45 # Yeah RotAtoR that's great thanks for the news 01.55.56 # yeah... about 1/3 here.. got approx 21000 mpcs 01.56.27 # it's good to see the format is still somewhat alive 01.56.29 # your nick looks familiar RotAtoR 01.56.40 # but btw will that needed to reencode all collection? :( 01.56.48 # I have... umm... none 01.56.51 # or decoder thing 01.56.52 # ? 01.56.54 # goffa__: yours too, dc hub user? 01.56.56 # * Kyomi converts them all to ogg 01.57.00 # there ya go 01.57.01 # :) 01.57.04 # :D 01.57.07 # used to be anyway 01.57.20 # that still going or did it die? 01.57.23 # RotAtoR: need to rerip entire collection? 01.57.35 # encodeur or decodeur thing? 01.57.55 # goffa__: there are still a few hubs I visit occasionally 01.58.05 # * Moos goes to read the link :) 01.58.51 # Moos: it looks like the patch also changes the encoder, it looks like the seeking that was implemented is slightly inaccurate with the current encoder 01.59.07 # ok 01.59.31 # will we need to rerip CDs then? 01.59.45 # aww... 01.59.50 # dead battery... 02.00.42 # Moos: meh, i doubt the inaccuracy would be noticable, he said it was only a few inaccurate decoded frames out of the whole file 02.01.03 # wee then \o/ 02.01.52 # * RotAtoR goes off to try the patch 02.02.17 # hehe :-) let us know 02.02.49 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-83-215.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.02.50 # * Moos waited this happen since looooog time ! :) 02.07.30 Join zipr [0] (n=45ff630c@labb.contactor.se) 02.09.40 # sharpe, what's up? 02.10.37 Quit zipr (Client Quit) 02.11.30 # * webguest26 wonders how well audio works on 2g mini 02.11.48 # Don't they have the "bad" pp chips? 02.12.28 # like bad as in evil? 02.12.40 # or the new modern sense of bad, as in good? 02.13.00 # Bad is in defective 02.13.04 # aww... 02.13.10 # i've no idea. 02.13.20 # Not actually evil, just not very good. Don't think they'll eat anyone's firstborn 02.13.40 # I guess I could read up on that somewhere 02.14.05 Join harlin [0] (n=opera@cpe-72-130-127-234.socal.res.rr.com) 02.14.40 # nor would they be 'gangster' even though that has no connection with the word 'bad' but is usually associated with said person. 02.15.22 # Ah, no, the minis have pp5020 02.15.40 # Regular 1g, 2g and 3g are the ones with pp5002 02.16.20 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.40 # something's not right... 02.17.12 # oh 02.17.16 # that's what's wrong. 02.18.16 # hooray, musepack is seeking! 02.18.24 # still seems a little buggy though 02.18.50 # had a couple pops when seeking, not too loud though 02.19.02 # Sounds good, preglow will be interested to hear 02.19.05 # also it didn't like seeking 20 minutes into a file 02.19.27 # I gave up after ~30 seconds of it constantly running the disk 02.20.07 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 02.20.08 # Very good start indeed 02.20.19 # that sounds promising 02.20.56 # yeah, it seems almost perfect for shorter jumps 02.21.09 # Coooooooooool ! 02.22.38 Quit Matze (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.23.24 Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 02.23.43 # i <3 rockbox 02.24.04 # one more down, sixty three million to go... 02.24.18 Join Mark__ [0] (n=Mark@ACD43122.ipt.aol.com) 02.24.33 # hahaha 02.25.01 # one question, how do i get back to the main main menu, the one where i can browse the folders i made witth music in them 02.25.12 # and flac files sound amazing thru there btw 02.25.31 # from the while playing screen, press select 02.25.37 # that's not a menu, that's the browser.. just exit any menu you're in with the menu button or the << to keep going up in the menu hierarchy.. 02.25.37 # or, yeah. 02.25.38 # : 02.25.40 # :)* 02.25.46 # and left to go down a folder level 02.25.50 # i love you 02.26.00 # * midkay wanders off :E 02.26.05 # hahaha 02.26.07 # thanks all 02.26.12 # you've got a great product here 02.30.59 # Is there some color guide for setting color values? 02.31.31 # what do you mean? 02.31.57 # to set the colors 02.32.25 # like forground: colorcode 02.32.44 # so black is 0 02.32.48 # and white? 02.33.11 # wait, what are you working with? 02.33.48 # wit a .cfg from a theme, they forgot to include the color values, the must be black and white 02.34.01 # okay then 02.34.09 # black: 000000 white: FFFFFF 02.34.25 # ah ok, hex works also, thanks 02.34.29 # welcome 02.34.48 # peace...ill be back with more questions soon 02.34.49 # lol 02.34.57 # later :) 02.35.29 Quit sean ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.35.38 # yeah, FFFFFF unless you wish to remember 4294967295... which as far as i know, values are only stored/read in hex. 02.36.24 # heh, i can see how that could be confusing if black was stuck in there as 0x"0" instead of 0x"000000" 02.42.29 Join MofoGX [0] (i=HydraIRC@128.118.149.193) 02.43.02 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) 02.45.51 Quit MofoGX (Client Quit) 02.48.15 Join kernel_sensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 02.50.38 Quit kernelsensei (Connection timed out) 02.50.45 Nick kernel_sensei is now known as kernelsensei (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 02.54.02 Quit fergie () 02.54.55 # is an hfs driver for rockbox currentl being developed? 02.56.11 # no 02.58.30 Quit Doomed9 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.59.17 Quit Mark__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.02.04 Quit kernelsensei (Remote closed the connection) 03.02.04 Quit fiftyfour123 ("Chatzilla 0.9.71 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 03.02.11 Join kernelsensei [0] (n=boris@gentoo/developer/kernelsensei) 03.03.08 Nick Kyomi is now known as Kyomi|off (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 03.05.41 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.05.58 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 03.07.18 Quit Arrogant ("Leaving") 03.13.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.13.51 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-165-155.dsl.pipex.com) 03.15.22 Part RoC_MM ("Leaving") 03.15.25 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 03.16.41 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 03.23.53 Join unhcr [0] (n=none@adsl-068-209-242-229.sip.mia.bellsouth.net) 03.24.06 # hey all 03.24.14 # what is the battery life on the x5 with rockbox 03.24.18 # 3 hours? 03.24.43 # unhcr, haha. no real tests have been done.. 03.24.47 # afaik. 03.24.49 # ah 03.24.50 # okay 03.24.55 # should be way more than that. 03.24.59 # o okay 03.25.01 # so then its fine 03.25.11 # tomrorw im going to compile the album art 03.25.14 # and then 03.25.17 # laugh at every fucker 03.25.21 # cause im not sharing the shit 03.25.27 # how generous of you. 03.25.33 # ive asked the forums to help me 03.25.34 # no one does 03.25.35 # so 03.25.57 # maybe if you laid off the i'm-better-than-you-cause-i-use-rockbox-and-you-don't attitude.. :) 03.27.07 Quit unhcr (Client Quit) 03.27.12 # aww... 03.27.32 # idiot.. 03.28.32 # did i miss anything? 03.28.56 # only the few minutes of dialog before he quit.. oh, and when he was here last night asking.. 03.29.27 Quit midkay (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.30.05 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.35.12 Quit herz42_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.38.18 Join midgey31 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-55-125.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 03.38.47 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 03.47.14 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 03.56.03 Quit midgey34 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.05.42 Part harlin 04.22.55 Quit ScootScat72 () 04.27.38 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 04.57.11 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 04.57.55 # I need help making a WPS 04.58.03 # can I put a picture inside fo another one 04.58.14 # say a picture takes up half the screen 04.58.23 # can I display another picture on top of that? 04.58.35 # fr jsut part of it 04.58.40 # for jsut part of it 04.58.43 # just* 04.59.21 # anybody there? 05.00.29 # hello? 05.00.49 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 05.01.33 # is it possilbe to dispaly a picture on top of another picture in the WPS? (the bottom image is not the WPS) 05.01.46 # I eman the bottom image is not the backdroo 05.01.58 # mean backdrop* 05.13.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.21.05 # afruff23, um.. 05.21.10 # well, why not try it? 05.21.37 # maybe alter 05.21.42 # my x5 isn't with me 05.22.01 # do you use the GIMP? 05.22.08 # it's probably done in the order you execute it in the wPS.. 05.22.12 # ugh, no. :) 05.22.21 # what's wrong with it? 05.22.35 Join virtualball2 [0] (n=virtualb@ACA219C9.ipt.aol.com) 05.22.40 # it's pretty powerful 05.22.42 # i don't like the multiple windows mainly.. just too 'weird'.. 05.22.49 # so is photoshop. :) 05.23.02 # yea, but PS isn't free 05.23.10 # nope.. 05.23.34 # it's free? 05.23.41 # nope as in it's not free. haha. 05.23.46 # i have a question, why ant rockbox work from a HFS+ iPod? Is it the way it searches for files in the home directory? 05.23.59 # it's formatted for macs 05.24.08 # at least I think that's why 05.24.11 # hfs+ ipod? mac? rockbox only reads fat32.. 05.24.23 # yep 05.24.26 # I was right 05.24.33 # midkay_, sorry, ya i was asking why only for fat32? 05.24.54 # it's one of the msot universal formats 05.25.05 # virtualball2, because other filesystem support takes time to create and code space.. 05.25.07 # and most players already have it 05.25.16 # fat is the most popular, and yeah, most simply work like that. 05.25.37 # oh ok thanks 05.25.46 # no problem 05.25.46 # does anybody know how to fill in transparent area with a certain color? 05.25.56 # afruff23, where/when? 05.26.01 # in gimp 05.26.20 # blah.. :) 05.27.57 Join burnhamd [0] (n=burnhamd@207.144.102.123) 05.29.09 # what is the status of the ipod mini support 05.29.41 # burnhamd, the latest commits are visible on the main page... apparently it's working alright. 05.30.57 # audio is working on ipod mini 2g 05.31.10 # not sure abotu 1g 05.31.13 # about* 05.31.21 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 05.31.26 # that is the one i own 05.31.29 # the 1 g 05.31.47 # then it's not working yet, as far as i know. 05.36.23 # anyone know if there is a developer in the community with this model 05.39.12 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 05.40.12 # burnhamd: talk to amiconn, he's the one developing for the mini 2g. 05.40.31 # ok 05.40.53 # I don't believe any developers have 1g's - you may be able to do some testing to help them 05.41.13 # yes i was planning on that 05.41.16 # anybody use GIMP 05.41.23 # just trying to asess the situation 05.41.52 # Did you read yesterday's logs...I believe there was some discussion pertaining to 1g v. 2g 05.42.11 # no i havent 05.42.15 # thanks for the tip 05.44.22 # np...amiconn, linuxstb, and/or preglow would be the people you'd want to talk to 05.44.41 # ok 05.46.48 # burnhamd: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060330.txt, read from about 16:00 on 05.47.30 # oops, w/o the comma - http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060330.txt 05.47.52 # thanks i was searching throught the 29th 05.47.57 Join ScootScat [0] (n=yeahrigh@71-80-131-108.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) 05.48.24 Part ScootScat 05.48.29 Join ScootScat [0] (n=yeahrigh@71-80-131-108.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) 05.48.54 Quit mikearthur (Broken pipe) 05.50.32 # gtg..later 05.50.35 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC") 05.53.08 # Hey all, I'm looking for some feedback for a patch I made: 05.53.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4954 05.53.48 # aliask, sounds quite useful if only i used the playlist search more often. :) 05.54.15 # I use it all the time, because I don't think tagcache is quite ready. 05.54.45 # aliask, why not? certainly easier than searching for songs i think.. 05.55.29 # Well, I like to have a big playlist with shuffled songs, and search for songs in it every once in a while, this is something tagcache doesn't offer (or does it?) 05.55.35 Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 05.56.06 # Also, wading through all the artists/albums/songs is tedious, as the scrolling acceleration isn't that fast. 05.56.16 Quit sean (Client Quit) 05.56.29 # aliask, cool. well, we don't all have to have the same preferences. :) 05.56.57 # Which is why rockbox is so good! :D 05.57.05 # :) 05.57.44 Join webguest04 [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 05.57.59 # does the ipod charge while in rockbox os mode while plugged in to the comp? 05.59.13 # Hrm, just checking tagcache out a bit more, it looks like the folder limit applies when browsing, should it be ignored and just display the max amount? 05.59.29 # webguest04: good question! 05.59.33 # wbguest04: i believe that ipod charging is handled by the hardware so yes 05.59.46 # that would be good 06.00.05 # How good is ipod audio quality with rockbox? 06.00.44 # thx 06.00.47 # qualitys sick 06.00.52 # especially with flac files 06.01.03 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@AC9E86B8.ipt.aol.com) 06.01.15 # gapless audio....eqs.... 06.01.22 # good friggen stuff 06.02.28 Quit webguest04 (Client Quit) 06.02.28 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.02.44 Quit virtualball2 ("virtualball2 has no reason") 06.17.29 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.35.28 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 06.36.37 # any of the developers who were looking at that 4G battery benchmark earlier today around? 06.39.39 Quit midkay_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.39.44 Join midk [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 06.43.53 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.44.28 Part Paul_The_Nerd 06.45.06 Quit burnhamd (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 06.56.16 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 07.04.44 Quit afruff23 ("An error? Impossible! My modem is error correcting.") 07.13.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.14.30 # good morning :) 07.14.46 # Howdy! 07.14.51 # Howdy y'all! 07.15.43 # hey dwihno, long time no see.. :) morning amiconn - i guess you didn't catch it earlier, but congrats on the mini work :) 07.16.41 # Found it in the logs - thx :) 07.16.56 # ah, you actually read all that. :) 07.17.20 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.17.21 # Not everything, but my client highlights lines directed to me 07.17.42 # amiconn, i use xchat which highlights the nick.. semi-hard to find sometimes though :) 07.18.03 # * amiconn prefers clients with configurable highlithing 07.18.21 # I have mine configured to highlight the whole line, in red text 07.18.26 # amiconn, in xchat you can configure colors.. haven't looked into it too much though. 07.18.33 # that'd be nice, hm. what client are you using? 07.19.04 # xchat default is to highlight in red any lines with your nick and turn the tab for that channel blue (as opposed to red for just new chat lines) 07.19.20 # RoC_MM, maybe you're using a newer version.. 07.19.24 # hiya midk 07.19.29 # 2.4.5, actually a little old 07.19.37 # 2.0.10c here, it only bold/yellows the nick, leaves the line white.. tab turns blue though. 07.19.38 # it may be a preference that I turned on 07.19.50 # * dwihno is -><- this close to getting a ipod video... would be nice to do some rockboxing again 07.19.54 # what's up, dwihno? i can't remember having seen you for a while. :) 07.20.03 # midk: Been here, just idling most of the time :) 07.20.24 # "If you don't have anything smart to say, just shut up"... And shut up I did ;D 07.20.25 # dwihno, ah, haha. i guess i should read the entire userlist more often ;) 07.20.48 Quit imphasing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.21.21 # ;) 07.21.45 # dwihno, well, cool - if you have any questions.. i've got a video as well. 07.22.00 # midk: Actually, my net hacking time yesterday was just 5 hours from start until working playback 07.22.48 # amiconn, quite incredible.. from "unusable, almost abandoned port" to "basically fully working" in like half a day.. even less in total work time. :) 07.23.19 # It is now working almost as well as the 4G grayscale 07.23.33 # what's not working yet? anything? 07.23.45 # The only thing not yet working is the button driver in the bootloader, so I can't boot apple fw at all 07.23.45 # a battery of plugins, i'd guess.. 07.23.56 # amiconn, blah, that's low priority :) 07.24.10 # The other quirks are the same as for the 4G itself 07.24.17 # plugins, battery monitoring... 07.24.25 # midk: ah, really nice! so how are they? the last time I saw something else than a nano was a 1g :) 07.24.36 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 07.24.39 # damn, you're efficient.. :) what's the res of the screen? same as another model? 07.25.44 # dwihno, haha. it's great.. physically, very small but sturdy; the screen is very nice.. video playback if you ever use it works well.. rockbox runs deliciously. :) 07.26.09 # amiconn, which target did you fix? 07.26.54 # amiconn, wow - the mini's screen is the same number of pixels as the 4G? isn't it like half the size? :O 07.27.10 # oh. no.. it's smaller, my mistake. 07.27.33 # midk: yummy! I was thinking of running rockbox mainly, with an exception of running the apple fw when playing videos... but then, I'd still need to create that database (for just a handful of clips)... are there any plugins on target that create apple db's? 07.28.07 # dwihno, no database support at all (yet?..).. 07.28.25 # btw, has your nick always been dwihno? i thought it was 'dwinho'. 07.28.45 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 07.28.57 # so, I know not many devs are on, but has anyone had the chance to look at my snake2 patch? 07.29.05 # midk: writing a plugin for creating a database, for, let's say, a directory, should be a trivial task, provided there are libs for the db format 07.29.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4952 07.29.15 # (or good specs) 07.29.26 # midk: always the same name, yay! ;D 07.29.55 # midgey31, try again tomorrow afternoon (EST)....the channel is quieter at night around now 07.30.01 # dwihno - haha, wow.. i've always thought it was the other way around :) - but i don't think it would be very hard, it just hasn't been done yet. 07.30.27 Quit nkh^away (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.31.10 # midk: As I can see it, there are two ways. 1) create a plugin 2) create an app 07.31.28 # there are pro's and con's with both ideas, but both tasks should be trivial anyhow 07.31.28 # booting to apple firmware is fine for videos, what's the problem exactly? rockbox plays music well, so you shouldn't need to go back and forth for that.. 07.32.04 # midk: afaik, the apple fw _requires_ "the database file" to be able to browse for files. 07.32.04 # midgey31, i saw it earlier, fwiw.. i'll actually try it now and see how it is. :) 07.32.04 # for what exactly? 07.32.07 # unless that has changed 07.32.14 # RoC_MM: yah I know the whole timezone thing sorta messes it up, I was really just wanting to get it in the log before I leave for vactaion 07.32.17 # dwihno, it does. 07.32.20 # how does that affect you, i mean? 07.32.36 # ahh 07.32.46 Join luigi_ [0] (n=luigi@dyn-83-153-5-58.ppp.tiscali.fr) 07.32.48 # midk: Well, I don't want to use itunes to be able to play videos... I still need to create that database file somehow... 07.33.04 # midgey31, just looking at the bitmaps. cool. :) 07.33.04 # midk: one way being using a plugin in rockbox, and one way is an application run on your computer 07.33.25 # midk: for smaller directories (only video's for instance) a plugin should do the task quite nicely 07.33.36 # dwihno, ah. well, afaik, itunes is about the only way.. 07.34.03 # midk: There has got to be other ways... 07.34.16 # dwihno, well, foo_pod is supposed to work but doesn't.. 07.34.18 # midk: So how do you choose fw? A special key combo? 07.34.32 # dwihno, yeah. on boot, if you hold menu you end up in the original firmware. 07.34.35 # midk: "if there is a will, there is a way" 07.34.55 # dwihno, however true that is, there isn't a way atm.. as far as i know, again. :) 07.35.03 # :) 07.35.24 # So how about audio quality? You used to have a archos previousley, right? 07.35.51 # dwihno, yes - and i used to think the archos sounded good... :) 07.36.13 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.36.21 # sounds incredible.. i'm using FLAC only at the moment, but MP3s sounded great when i used them too.. 07.36.39 # gapless, crossfading, 5-band EQ are notable.. 07.36.40 # I prefer wavpack, due to better compression 07.36.52 # flac is still nice :) 07.36.57 # wavpack's cool too. i did some comparisons, flac files ended up a few KB smaller.. :) 07.36.59 # both are very fast.. 07.37.30 # Are you using maximum compression then? 07.37.34 # depends on the level of compression you choose. 07.37.48 # flac has more mindshare 07.38.00 # With maximum compression (non-hybrid), wavpack gives me smaller files 07.38.36 # then again, people must have something against wavpack... there are not many applications with wavpack support :/ 07.38.39 # max flac for me gave smaller, only slightly.. oh well.. :) 07.38.52 # smaller by how much? 07.38.57 # what flac options do you use? 07.39.17 # RoC_MM, not much at all. maybe 100kb most on a ~30mb file... max compression, level 8 iirc. 07.39.19 # midk: speaking of ipod, how about that dreaded scratch issue? 07.39.34 # dwihno, ah, that.. pretty bad. 07.40.02 # probably not as bad on the white models, but on my black one it's kind of major.. workaround is simple, get a playthrough case that you can leave on always.. 07.40.11 # horrid 07.40.21 # they really got a problem there 07.40.33 # dont' even put it in your pocket or breath on it until it's in a case 07.40.42 # :/ 07.40.44 # i heard you can use brasso to remove the scratches 07.40.58 # What case do people recommend then? 07.41.03 # I've read about something called rhinoskin 07.41.06 # eventually you'll get used to the scratches though...they look like the screen has a wet smear, so you go to wipe it but it doesn't come off 07.41.13 # morning :) 07.41.24 # it's less of a scratch 07.41.28 # and more of an abrasion 07.42.59 # :( 07.42.59 Quit midk (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.43.32 # I hate scratches... 07.43.40 # :( 07.43.52 Join midk [0] (n=midkay@c-24-16-191-240.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 07.44.03 # will the entire casing get affected, or just the screen? 07.44.36 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzzzzz") 07.44.36 # dwihno, the metal backing gets really ugly and quickly.. 07.45.04 # the screen is where it's most noticeable during use.. like smudges on your monitor.. 07.45.10 # the scratches look like scratches on the casing, and they are the same severity as on the older ipods, which is not bad....some people like their mirror finish on the back to stay inblemished...this is impossible without a case 07.45.10 # but in the light, i can see all the scratches easily, on my black one at least. 07.45.25 # yes 07.45.28 # it's a lot like smudges 07.45.53 # yeah, the pixels look.. um.. magnified and stuff. :) 07.46.03 # eww :( 07.46.19 # dwihno, just gotta get a case asap.. 07.46.45 # how much size does it add onto the unit? 07.46.53 # it's not unusable after it's scratched - i've learned to ignore it - but it's nice to have it scratchfree.. 07.47.04 # dwihno, depends on the case.. 07.47.39 # most are like cell phone cases like for those flip phones...it's quite a bit less elegant, but it's also quite protective. 07.47.58 # very similiar to a case on a flip phone 07.48.03 # i actually stopped using the actionjacket recently, at least a lot less.. 07.48.13 # my ipod's so ugly now it's hardly worth it.. 07.48.21 # i'd like to try an iskin perhaps. 07.48.53 # are there replacement cases? 07.49.02 # Someone must have thought about it 07.49.04 # what do you mean? 07.49.22 # replacing the ipod's case (back/front) itself? 07.49.32 Quit luigi (Connection timed out) 07.49.33 # Simply open the case, put the hw in a new 3rd party shell 07.49.40 # yeah 07.49.44 # ah.. i haven't seen anything like that.. 07.51.00 # nite all 07.51.12 # night RoC_MM :) 07.51.49 # night 07.52.01 # all scratch issues would be solved in an instant 07.52.07 # Just a new case. 07.52.10 Part RoC_MM ("Leaving") 07.52.26 # dwihno, true, but i don't think anyone's bothered.. 07.53.16 # midgey31? 07.53.31 # there are countless case manufacturers... there should be shell manufacturers as well 07.53.45 # dwihno, well, lemme know if you discover anything.. :) 07.53.50 # surething :) 07.53.53 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 07.55.26 # brb 07.55.27 Quit midk ("Leaving") 07.58.16 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 07.58.38 # dwihno, say my nick! :) 07.59.51 # midkay \o/ 08.00.05 # haha. i forgot you used to do that!!! 08.00.08 # hmm. 08.01.24 Quit miner49er (Remote closed the connection) 08.03.44 # midkay: There are countless ipod accessories shops on the 'net... Perhaps you could check as well? 08.03.58 # dwihno, for .. shells? 08.04.03 # yeah 08.04.05 # replacement shells. 08.04.11 # someone must have thought about it. 08.06.35 # looking, can't find anything.. 08.06.40 # http://shop.ipodworld.co.uk/iPodWorldSite/product/all_iPods_Cases_Other/AO11/Core_Cases_Aluminium_iPod_video_Case.htm 08.06.45 # (still a case, but not too shabby) 08.07.04 # the iSkin looks delicious, have you seen it? 08.07.59 # neh 08.08.16 # neh as in haven't seen it? http://www.iskin.com/eVo3gallery/features.html 08.09.39 # ah, those metal ones look pretty nice. 08.10.21 # but, yeah.. snag a case and an ipod video, and i don't think you'll be disappointed. :) 08.13.27 # :-) 08.13.36 # Remotes will not work, huh? 08.13.43 # no(t yet).. 08.13.58 Part Paul_The_Nerd 08.17.47 # are there any accessories you recommend? 08.18.03 # I just MUST have some kind of AA-battery pack thing 08.18.07 # dwihno, i don't have or use any, no.. 08.18.10 # That would be swell 08.18.18 # hmm.. i have heard of extended batteries.. 08.18.24 # but can't remember anything about AAs.. 08.21.17 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.33.21 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 08.34.22 # linuxstb: r u there? 08.34.24 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa170.14.tellas.gr) 08.40.51 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.42.20 # nite all 08.45.01 # nite, midkay 08.59.53 Quit huntermic ("Leaving.") 09.00.34 Quit MrStaticVoid ("leaving") 09.02.07 Quit JJure (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.02.50 Join JJure [0] (n=nospam@195.47.10.50) 09.05.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 09.06.40 # Bagder: are you there? 09.09.07 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.13.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.17.16 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.19.32 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 09.21.14 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.26.08 Join bluebrother^ [0] (i=uhcn@rzstud5.stud.uni-karlsruhe.de) 09.26.43 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@labb.contactor.se) 09.33.47 # Turned out that just lcd_update_rect() caused the graphic glitches on greyscale iPods. Now it's working like a charm :) 09.34.50 # \o/ 09.34.53 # Great! 09.36.36 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m11.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 09.36.44 # Good morning 09.38.23 # red build... 09.39.21 # gah 09.39.30 # no ipod mini 2g sim either... 09.39.48 # I didn't expect lcd_enable() to be used on any b&w or greysacle target 09.39.54 # The mini 2g looks the same as the 1g right? 09.39.55 # safetydan: Image missing... 09.40.00 # yes 09.40.15 # I'll scan my mini at the weekend 09.40.28 # the ipods are taking over th eubild table!! kill em all! 09.40.29 # cool 09.41.15 # hmm, i started to redesign the tag browser.. in future, there are no searches defined in the code, but as strings like: "Best songs" artist album song ? y >= 2000 & title !^ "crap" & genre = "good genre" 09.41.25 # from the simulator point of view there's no difference between the 1g and the 2g is there? 09.41.43 # amiconn lcd_enable is used for backlight on/off on the minis 09.41.57 # No it's not 09.42.02 # huh ? 09.42.04 # Just for the 3G it was 09.42.10 # ah, k 09.42.12 # sorry 09.42.24 # imho it should be named differently on 3G ... 09.42.52 # ok, seems that Asteroids is still registered as a trademark, any ideas for an alternative name? 09.43.05 # astrorocks ? 09.43.41 # omg, i'm so fed up with these "rock" and "box" puns 09.43.57 # just roids? 09.44.14 # LinusN i'm too, but in this case it has some meaning ... 09.44.17 # then be thankful the poroject isnt named Hemm something 09.44.21 # LinusN: Hi, while you are around on X5front, the volume values seems wrong, still sound at 0 :-) 09.44.24 # Bg3r: sure 09.44.35 # Moos: hahaha 09.44.43 # :) 09.45.04 # Moos and probably it's louder than @ 23 ? ;) 09.45.06 # fine.. no1 laugh at my joke.. thats kewl... 09.45.07 # "rockstars" :-) 09.45.12 Quit JdGordon ("sick of u all!") 09.45.16 # the inverse I mean of course the lower value isn't good 09.45.20 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 09.45.21 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.45.22 # :-) 09.45.58 # Bg3r: I *removed* lcd_enable for the b&w iPods, and my backlight still works... 09.46.42 # amiconn u mean the 3g ? 09.47.19 # For all b&w iPods 09.47.32 # The only one that used the backlight switch in lcd_enable was the 3g 09.47.39 # ..which doesn't make sense. 09.47.50 # b&w lcds are perfectly readable without backlight 09.47.57 # yep 09.54.22 Join austriancoder [0] (n=5078751e@labb.contactor.se) 09.55.27 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 09.56.21 # what do you think about colored icons for folders, music-, picturefiles... 09.58.15 # would be better visible than what there is now 09.59.52 # austriancoder: colored icons are nice, and also icons that match the font size 10.01.07 Join Aramil [0] (n=tony@ipa27.9.tellas.gr) 10.04.29 # A question: when enabling the tagcache and forcing a tagcache update, I see that it accesses the disk for a while but if I then look in artists, albums or songs nothing is recorded there 10.04.50 # I keep the tagcache on disk. 10.04.55 # Am I missing something? 10.05.37 # stamppot: did you rebboted? 10.05.46 # *rebooted 10.05.47 # Y up. 10.06.09 # I have dircache enabled as well. 10.06.13 # did you have the commiting tagcache screen? 10.06.49 # didn't see it, due to backlight timeouts probably 10.07.54 # when you reboot usually the Rockbox boot screen stay and you have one commiting tagcache message 10.08.26 # Moos: let me check... 10.09.24 # Moos: yup. I get the committing tagcache message... 10.09.56 # let's it finish then 10.10.04 # i had the same problem until i set the setting to "in ram" 10.10.08 # Hmmm, never mind. It works all of a sudden,,, 10.10.24 # LinusN: as plugins uses bmp's i could also use bmp 10.10.35 # for icons 10.10.40 # yes 10.10.46 # LinusN: I keep it on disk (I didn't know what the memory consumption would be) 10.11.39 Join tonz|away [0] (n=tloeffle@lap206.comtec.e-technik.uni-kassel.de) 10.13.29 # OK, lets assume I'm thick, but shouldn't it be possible to recursively insert all songs of an artist into a playlist? Just tried this using tagcache, and the only option the quickmenu gives me is 'open with' 10.15.01 # stamppot: did you checked the Tagcache wiki page yet? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 10.16.50 # LinusN: Found nice icons under GLP.... now.... whats the best way to support different font sizes for icons? 10.16.51 # Moos: of course... :) 10.17.16 # Is there any way to get the filesize of something in rockbox? 10.17.17 Quit tvelocity (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.17.20 # But this doesn't fall under the smart playlist functionality or something. 10.17.42 # austriancoder: i have no idea :-) 10.18.03 # stamppot: Tagcache is new, let's it still evolute 10.18.14 # i guess you would have to check the font height and match the available icon sizes 10.18.34 # LinusN: okay.. 10.18.43 # check the icons: http://www.kde-look.org/content/preview.php?preview=1&id=35357&file1=35357-1.png&file2=35357-2.png&file3=&name=Smooth+Icons 10.18.49 # If fileview set to all - wouldn't it be better to have tag broswing as a virtual folder? 10.18.53 # are they okay for everybody? 10.18.55 # Also, does anyone have an idea what the memory consumption of keeping the tagcache in memory would be? Assume that I have 15GB of songs, roughly 2300 tracks 10.19.24 # I'd like to add that info to the wiki-page as well 10.19.34 # austriancoder: aren't they a little too detailed? 10.19.40 # austriancoder: much too complex imho 10.19.46 # heh 10.20.47 # austriancoder: Yeah I agree, too detailed to make even 15x15 icons. 10.20.53 # i will try many icons, will pick the best 3 an we will have a vote 10.21.03 # Sounds like a good idea. 10.21.21 # indeed 10.21.41 # * petur likes the folder/file icons of w2k 10.21.47 # or have some of those arty guys at misticriver draw a set 10.22.14 # amiconn: I'm around now. 10.22.14 # nice idea :) 10.22.23 # There were some nice ones that popped up in the mailing list, I'll find a link 10.23.09 Quit Aramil (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.23.10 # http://home.arcor.de/gabriel.meier/temp/rockboxsuggestions.html 10.23.31 # who big are the current icons? 10.23.56 # 7x6 or something 10.24.07 # check the source 10.24.32 # aliask: ah... that looks nice 10.24.59 # I just did a guesstimate from the manual, they look about 7x7 10.25.21 # that looks nice because of the aa fonts :) 10.26.34 # need to go to my bus... see you later 10.28.13 # Anti-aliasing would be a nightmare wouldn't it. 10.28.23 # bitmap_icons_6x8 are the one used in the browser ... 10.28.25 # his icons came from here: http://tango-project.org/Tango_Icon_Gallery 10.29.09 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.29.19 # i think a truetype renderer would sort of take too much resources, but maybe it would be possible to render pre-antialiased fonts 10.29.41 # Mikachu: Using opacity? 10.30.00 # yeah, i guess the problem is the alpha transparency 10.30.02 # petur: Those look really nice. 10.30.32 # stamppot: you can check the codec buffer size from the debug menu before and after loading the tagcache in ram 10.30.48 # that should tell the excact memory consumption 10.31.27 # why does it display that committing tagcache message? 10.32.00 # so you know what's happening? 10.32.13 # petur: while that message is displayed, new files are being uniqued and sorted with the existing files in the database 10.32.33 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.32.44 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 10.33.08 # and index tables with seek locations are updated as well 10.33.31 # but why when I haven't changed anything? 10.33.46 # then you shouldn't see that message 10.33.57 # * petur tries again 10.35.17 # sometimes it's flashes quickly, sometimes it's there for 5-10 seconds 10.35.26 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.36.09 # Is there any way to get the filesize of something in rockbox? 10.36.17 # if rockbox was turned off cleanly, that message should only flash 10.36.41 # not always :( 10.36.54 # and how do I turn tagcache off? 10.37.07 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.37.15 # because it slows down my boot time and I can't combine it with file view 10.37.37 # petur: there is no really a way to turn it off. But if you choose to keep it on disk, then you shouldn't get that committing tagcache message unless you have forced a tagcache update manually 10.37.49 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 10.38.44 Nick tonz|away is now known as tonz (n=tloeffle@lap206.comtec.e-technik.uni-kassel.de) 10.39.43 # Slasheri: well... setting it to disk now only makes the message flash shortly 10.40.28 Join ashridah [0] (n=ashridah@220-253-122-142.VIC.netspace.net.au) 10.41.33 # anyway, I got to stop playing with it to have some battery left for the ride home - and got work to do ;) 10.42.34 # hehe :-) 10.43.12 # paid work, not RB work :( 10.44.56 # petur: if you load the cache in ram, make sure you don't shutdown rockbox before it has ran a few minutes 10.45.24 # currently there is a bug that will remove the tagcache, because it thinks the commit file has became corrupt if rockbox is shutdown too early 10.45.27 # linuxstb_: The colour iPod lcd driver needs some work, imho. There's a lot of function calling and conditional execution going on 10.45.38 # Wasting cpu cycles... 10.45.53 # Slasheri: I didn't, I let it run until the disk went quiet 10.46.12 # petur: after that, you should still wait at least a minute 10.46.17 # Now that I have some insight, I thing a unified rockbox build for mini 1g+2g isn't hard 10.46.24 # ah 10.46.25 # s/thing/think/ 10.46.32 # because tagcache checks files against the dircache even when disk has spun down 10.46.44 # right 10.47.10 # how about that virtual folder idea? 10.47.53 # it will be implemented somehow 10.48.00 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.48.19 # for example in tagcache "Browse files" or something like that 10.48.42 # Imho the virtual folder idea should be implemented the other way round 10.48.44 # would be nice to have both worlds ;) 10.49.08 # Have a virtual dir in the root of the file browser 10.49.22 # I agree with amiconn 10.49.48 # amiconn_: That's good news about a unified mini build. I'll have a look at the colour LCD driver - I haven't done anything to it since the initial port from IPL about 6 months ago. 10.50.27 # linuxstb: Runtime adaption to hardware differences (like lcd type for the colour iPods) should imho be done using function pointers rather than conditional execution 10.50.38 # At least for stuff that's called often... 10.53.42 # But is it an issue to have one if statement in lcd_update() ? 10.53.56 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.53.56 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 10.57.02 # really shouldn't, no 10.57.10 # as long as it's only called once, of course 10.58.01 # That if statement shouldn't be there for the Nano though - only the Color/Photo. 10.59.45 Quit safetydan ("Leaving") 11.01.29 # a branch in send_data is worse 11.01.54 # yeah, i can see us using function pointers here 11.02.28 # at some point we need to go through the code and resolve some numerical address to defines 11.02.34 # a lot of them already have corresponding defines 11.04.32 # I didn't notice that if statement in lcd_cmd_data(). That should obviously go. 11.11.29 Nick kclaf is now known as kclaftop (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 11.12.05 Nick tonz is now known as tonz|away (n=tloeffle@lap206.comtec.e-technik.uni-kassel.de) 11.13.29 # linuxstb: Perhaps not in lcd_update(). In lcd_blit() it will 11.13.30 # pity we can't burst write in it 11.13.32 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.13.45 # lcd_blit??? 11.13.54 # i thought that was scheduled for removal 11.14.03 # ahh, right 11.14.05 # grayscale 11.14.49 # A few days ago I realised that lcd_blit() might be useful for colour as well. Video codecs... 11.14.53 Join austriancoder [0] (n=c1aa023e@labb.contactor.se) 11.15.22 # It's somewhere in the logs. 11.15.28 # what does it do? 11.16.03 # It bypasses lcd_framebuffer - so a video codec can decode to a local buffer and blit it to the lcd. 11.16.24 # B4gder: What about my idea of an extra 'basic score' per broken (i.e. red) target? 11.20.17 # Posted by one of the Rio/Sigmatel developers: "One aspect of Plays-for-sure 2.0 which might appeal to denizens of this board, by the way, is that it mandates gapless playback. Some of Microsoft's marketing gimmicks can fairly be described as just gimmicks, but this time they do seem to be, however sledgehammerously, genuinely trying to drive up the quality of digital audio players." 11.20.44 # Sweet. If Microsoft make gapless playback a standard feature I'll have Bill Gates's's's's's babies 11.21.09 Nick kclaftop is now known as kclaf (i=kclaf@crj95-3-82-237-150-15.fbx.proxad.net) 11.21.18 # preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/irc/rockbox-20060329.txt starting around 01:30 11.23.20 # nudel: pays-for-sure??? 11.23.54 # it's microsoft's certification/logo thing for WMA music players that support a bunch of stuff like WMA10 and subscription DRM and, apparently, gapless 11.24.07 # i.e lots of evil stuff, and gapless \o/ 11.24.25 # well, according to that one post. don't know any more details, e.g. which formats have to play gaplessly 11.25.26 # I know what it is. Didn't you see the deliberate typo? 11.27.38 # gapless playback is a standard feature 11.27.39 # ohh lol, sorry, i'm hungover :) 11.27.44 # with quality stuff, of course 11.27.50 # no need to sell your soul to microsoft to have that 11.27.54 # i.e. zero mp3 players except the karma and rockbox 11.28.02 # pft, use rockbox 11.28.09 # i am :) but more choice is always good 11.28.45 # i think gapless should be considered a "lack of bug" rather than a feature 11.29.36 # amiconn: not a bad idea 11.29.50 # nudel: i think it should be considered the only sane thing 11.29.53 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ipa177.15.tellas.gr) 11.30.05 # not having gapless playback is plain broken 11.30.07 # Well, in regard to gapless, archos obviously managed to do a better job in 2000 than most dap manufacturers do today 11.30.22 # well, that's a direct consequence of how the platform works 11.30.34 # and it only works in the most special of cases 11.30.45 Join B4gd3r [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 11.31.16 # if you need specially encoded music, then you don't have gapless playback, if you ask me 11.31.40 # not proper gapless, at least 11.32.02 # * linuxstb agrees that inserting gaps between tracks is a bug 11.32.10 # Well, it's a lot more proper than what e.g. iriver does in th h series 11.33.22 # Archos doesn't deliberately insert gaps. The worst thing than can happen is a few milliseconds gap 11.33.32 # (one partial mp3 frame) 11.33.40 # it's impossible for it to insert gaps 11.33.45 # so no wonder 11.34.07 # Well, it could insert gaps 11.34.22 # i wouldn't really say they did a better job, they just chose a design that makes it harder for them to insert gaps :) 11.34.38 # It seems the lack of gapless e.g. on iriver is because of the lame buffering system 11.34.48 # doesn't matter how it's buffered 11.34.58 # if both tracks are in mem, you still get a glitch 11.35.07 # and a long one 11.35.12 # preglow: Stopping playback because the next track isn't buffered would insert a gap on any platform 11.35.36 # sure 11.35.46 # Same happens if you feed non-stripped metadata to the decoder/dac 11.36.13 # crossfading? i want a randomly generated DJ talking nonsense to me between tracks. 11.36.44 # we'll work on integrating festival for that 11.36.46 # and during tracks... 11.36.53 # heh yeah, and averts 11.37.18 # "elephant hovercraft sails forever bookshelf into the whatever, now for next track" 11.37.21 # "Your music is sponsered by rockbox.org. Please donate...." 11.37.25 # hahahaha 11.37.38 # hhehe 11.37.59 Join safetydan [0] (n=dan@rockbox/developer/safetydan) 11.38.15 # hell, with a large dictionare and some markov chain data trained to mimic some idiot dj, this could be really fun 11.38.20 # dictionary, even 11.38.25 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 11.40.42 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.44.31 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 11.44.53 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m11.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.45.55 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 11.47.11 Join webguest98 [0] (n=810dba01@labb.contactor.se) 11.47.51 Quit B4gder (No route to host) 11.48.31 Quit webguest98 (Client Quit) 11.48.31 Join austriancoder [0] (n=c1aa023c@labb.contactor.se) 11.58.36 Quit bluebrother^ ("leaving") 12.03.05 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.03.14 Join austriancoder [0] (n=c1aa023c@labb.contactor.se) 12.08.53 Join imphasing [0] (n=imphasin@c-69-250-93-218.hsd1.dc.comcast.net) 12.10.49 Part linuxstb ("Leaving") 12.11.03 Quit petur ("hungry") 12.11.26 Join tucoz [0] (n=martin@rockbox/developer/tucoz) 12.12.23 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 12.13.00 Join webguest81 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 12.14.32 Part JJure 12.15.33 Join JJure [0] (n=nospam@195.47.10.50) 12.15.38 Part JJure 12.16.14 # * webguest81 throws in a vote for Tango icons 12.17.28 # http://tango-project.org/Tango_Desktop_Project 12.17.30 Quit webguest81 (Client Quit) 12.20.22 # they're bloody bigger than our screens 12.20.35 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-093-188.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.21.13 Join webguest37 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 12.21.21 # sure... we need to modify them... lets see how good they look 12.21.40 # Well 16x16 pixels isn't _too_ big 12.21.53 # ooh, there are small ones too 12.21.58 # this'd actually rock 12.22.03 # Yeah, I quite like them 12.22.27 # GPL too. 12.22.33 # yep 12.22.37 # there was a mockup on the mailinglist a while ago that used tango icons 12.22.52 # (webguest81 here) 12.23.42 # i like the fact that the smaller ones have been custom made 12.23.45 # instead of just scaled down 12.24.10 # http://home.arcor.de/gabriel.meier/temp/rockboxsuggestions.html 12.24.36 # ahh, so that's you 12.24.48 # nice icons 12.25.06 # No, not me 12.25.59 # * Moos likes the icons too :) 12.26.11 # * austriancoder is workong to get icons into rockbox 12.27.31 # right 12.27.31 # Great 12.27.33 # anywho 12.27.36 # it would be great indeed 12.27.55 # The icons shouldn't be any bigger than the default font chars 12.27.58 # but a gui like that will require a lot of planning 12.28.47 # amiconn: LinusN told me this too 12.28.58 # how high is the default font+ 12.29.00 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 12.29.05 # preglow: sure.. but i think we need such a gui 12.29.06 # we should have several sets of icons 12.29.19 # preglow: did you check the RotAtoR news about musepack? 12.29.22 # in different sizes 12.29.24 # austriancoder: need, no, but it would sure be nice 12.29.30 # and also loadable icons for themes 12.29.33 # LinusN: not exactly trivial to achieve 12.29.42 # you can't just resize icons at that size 12.29.48 # every pixel counts 12.29.49 # LinusN: a theming system would be cool 12.30.26 # austriancoder: Default font height is 8 pixels... for all targets currently. 12.30.36 # This won't change before the 3.0 release 12.31.08 # amiconn: thanks for this info 12.31.13 # even though it really should 12.31.54 # but we can pretty much forget 8x8 icons unless we want to make them ourselves 12.32.25 # The current icons are 6x8 12.32.49 # isn't it even 7x7.. hrm, or 6x7? 12.32.56 # has rasher's rockbox page vanishes? 12.32.59 # vanisheD 12.34.30 # The file browser icons are 6x8. Some places use 7x8 icons, some others 5x8 12.34.43 # (status bar) 12.35.06 # Of course, one line is reserved for spacing in the file browser 12.36.12 # preglow: I can still get to it. http://rasher.dk/rockbox/ right? 12.37.20 # i could have sworn that exact url just didn't work right now... 12.43.49 # wow i'm #3 for march 12.44.57 # wow 12.45.04 # i didn't think those were still updated 12.45.05 # not bad 12.45.30 # with my tendency to break sentences up in several lines i do feel somewhat like a cheat, though :> 12.45.55 # he hasn't enabled the words/line column 12.46.00 # Ah, but there's a wordcount as well 12.46.14 # so you win anyway, heh 12.46.31 # \o/ 12.47.30 # haha, but amiconn spoke only a few thousand words less then me 12.47.38 # yet he also spokes over thousand lines less 12.47.38 # heh 12.49.26 # i'm not seeing wordcount anywhere 12.49.48 # oh in the big numbers part 12.51.17 # good to see that 'patch' is the 8th most popular word this month 12.51.54 # Patch is an important word 12.52.38 # and according to the most referenced nicks this month, the Rockbox project is run by preglow and amiconn 12.55.15 # * webguest37 wonders about rockbox.org/fonts/ 12.55.26 # aren't all these included? 12.55.43 # that's a very old page 12.56.22 # ah, just found it on the Documentation page 12.59.46 # Same thing with /lang/? 13.00.29 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.01.26 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 13.01.44 # hashah 13.02.08 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.03.13 # what can i say, i'm going for a regime change 13.05.06 # hehe, midnight2k3 must have been pretty busy around here. 4th place overall and 468 days since that nick was last seen here. 13.05.55 # yeah, he was quite a chatterbox 13.06.21 # i remember seeing him later than that, though 13.06.22 # That's "midkay" now, right? 13.06.27 # I think so 13.06.46 # tis? 13.06.46 # Is grayscale working on the ipods now? 13.06.53 # aye 13.09.21 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 13.11.05 # I tried to use both hevea and latex2html on the docs yesterday with no luck. 13.11.31 # But, it's possibly because I didn't try hard enough :-) 13.13.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.15.24 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 13.15.34 Join P1mP [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 13.19.03 Join webguest01 [0] (n=3e02ccea@labb.contactor.se) 13.19.29 # * LinusN is playing astrorocks on x5 13.19.44 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.19.44 # wee ! :) 13.19.45 Quit webguest01 (Client Quit) 13.20.29 # I thought you had something against the *rocks name? :D 13.20.51 # god, not another name with 'rock' in it :/ 13.21.02 # better than boxeroids 13.21.07 # hell no 13.21.07 # haha 13.21.09 # lol 13.21.11 # that's an excellent name 13.21.23 # "rockstars" 13.21.24 # best 'box' name i've seen, as a matter of fact 13.21.24 # haha 13.21.28 # LinusN: hahah, also good 13.25.42 # anyone have experience with replacing batteries on ipods? 13.25.46 # boxeroids does have a nice sound to it, though 13.25.51 # or have any insight on how hard it is to change it 13.26.14 # dwihno: on a scale from 1-5 i think it's about 6 13.26.26 # it also sounds like a nasty ass rash, which is a bonus 13.26.35 # dwihno: there must be lots of sites that show how-to's I think 13.26.46 # dwihno: what model? 13.27.21 # how about "spacerocks"? 13.27.32 # kind of a synonym to asteroid 13.27.40 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.28.13 # I like it ! 13.28.14 # hahaha 13.28.16 # yeah 13.28.40 # why not just asteroids :-/ 13.28.49 # Yes, exactly. 13.28.53 # webguest37 because it's a trademark 13.28.56 # it's a registered trademark, owned by Atari 13.28.57 # tucoz: I failed for the button environment. Something is a bit complicated there. But I got it working using a command macro. 13.28.58 # trademark? 13.28.59 # preglow: g5 (video)... I am about to get one... but I need to straighten the battery isue out first. 13.29.21 # Can we call it "astroroids" 13.29.43 # bluebrother^, ok. Well, anything is better than the current setup 13.29.45 # http://tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=itvtl0.2.25 13.30.14 # This trademarking of real words in their regular meaning needs to stop 13.30.17 # LinusN: "spacerocks" sounds more Rockbox spirit imho :) 13.30.18 # :) 13.30.30 # webguest37: amen 13.30.33 # It's similar to the screenshot command. 13.30.36 # I mean "Apple" is fine, because Apple has nothing to do with actual apples 13.30.59 # But a game about asteroids being called asteroids.. well that's just not trademark-worthy 13.31.28 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13.31.37 # dwihno: the battery _might_ be soldered to the board 13.31.41 # dwihno: i know it is in the nano 13.32.07 # sounds good 13.32.16 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host81-129-197-109.range81-129.btcentralplus.com) 13.32.25 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.32.32 # I wonder if there are other standard features we should write macros for 13.32.50 # hmm, \note{} thing 13.33.37 # bluebrother^, did you get a mail? 13.33.38 # so, which is it gonna be? "spacerocks"? 13.33.45 # yea 13.34.03 # * Moos votes for it too 13.34.37 # preglow: that's pretty nasty ... :( ... I'll google and se what I'll find out 13.34.45 # why not rockspaceboxes to please preglow ;-) 13.34.58 # :-) 13.35.01 # hahah 13.35.02 # boxrocks 13.35.09 # even better, hehe 13.36.19 Join scf [0] (i=scf@r4.softwarium.net) 13.36.52 # tucoz: I just commited a patch for a \note macro ;-) 13.37.07 # now only the table stuff is still in my pipe. 13.37.09 # bluebrother^, cool. Me is happy 13.37.42 # just checked my mailbox. Mail reached me :) 13.37.49 # good 13.38.32 # I am quite certain the first version of the latex proposal had that url-style. Well, good you changed it 13.39.03 # the url \usepackage was already in it. I changes the \urlstyle and removed the comment marks. 13.39.30 # yes, I wonder why it was quoted out. 13.40.51 # do you want to commit your fs-patches yourself? 13.41.17 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-172-43.bb.netvision.net.il) 13.44.35 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.44.36 Quit petur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.44.45 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 13.45.02 # I haven't replied to that mail yet. 13.45.09 Join austriancoder [0] (n=c1aa023c@labb.contactor.se) 13.45.13 # oh, sorry 13.45.14 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 13.45.15 Quit webguest37 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 13.45.23 # so if you want to have it in quick do it yourself ;-) 13.45.31 # LinusN: rtc on x5 - really cool 13.45.59 # bluebrother^, I just read that you commited a note macro, missed the 'patch' there :-) 13.46.00 # and I want to finish the tables stuff first. 13.46.19 # but after that ... 13.46.57 # no hurry. I might have a go at 80-col the first and second chapter 13.47.11 # anyone here using xchat? I'm searching for the sound event that gets triggered when I'm highlighted. 13.48.02 # Settings->Preferences->Chatting->Sound? 13.48.13 # oh, which sound event it is 13.49.48 # exactly that is my problem. 13.50.07 # but without sound I'm missing more and more events ... 13.50.24 # (in other words: I need more monitors!) 13.51.24 # I understand 13.51.29 # Maybe it's notice? 13.52.22 # seems not -- I already defined a sound for that event. 13.52.37 # not many clients support a soundevent when your nick is shown - if you're on windows you could try nettalk 13.52.44 # I assume I don't need to restart xchat for the settings to take effect. 13.53.18 Quit austriancoder ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.55.00 # man, i totally dig that the manual is actually getting patches 13.55.08 # obviously a lot of latex people out there 13.55.08 Quit P1mP (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.55.49 # Damn, I just can't seem to find ipod g5 batteries... still, there SHOULD be ones available. 13.56.04 # It's cool that having the manual in cvs actually works as we wanted it. 13.56.15 # tucoz: exactly 13.56.50 Join webguest37 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 13.58.40 # bluebrother^, you forgot to attach the patch to the \note{} macro patch. But, no hurry. I go and do some stuff on my own now. 14.00.07 # tucoz: fixed. I had the window still open ;) 14.01.00 # cool. I am about to code-police some parts of the manual. Starting with the first chapter 14.01.14 # nice :) 14.03.34 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.05.09 Join P1mP [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 14.06.09 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 14.10.34 # tucoz: while code policing, I was thinking about naming conventions for labels as well. 14.10.46 # ah, that is true 14.11.04 # I'd suggest using the section name. If necessary prepend the section one level higher. 14.11.19 # and I'd also prefer having labels written lowercase. 14.11.23 # the section name is good. 14.11.24 # me too 14.11.39 # oh yes 14.11.40 # so the xobox plugin would be named sec:xobox 14.11.42 # with underscore as a separater? 14.11.48 # separator? 14.11.53 # maybe, or using camelCase. 14.12.02 # underscore, please 14.12.03 # :) 14.12.09 # sec:plugin_xobox 14.12.19 # i.e. to mark xobox as a plugin: sec:pluginXobox or sec:plugin_xobox. 14.12.28 # second one is better I think 14.12.34 # me too 14.12.34 # ok, I'll add this to the Guidelines. 14.12.37 # good 14.13.00 # only sections gets a label? or subsections as well? 14.13.07 # whatever needs one 14.13.18 # there's really no need to assign a label to everything 14.13.42 # no, that is not wanted. It's kind of hard to tell what needs a label, and what does not. 14.13.50 # could someone with ipod knowledge fix the red build for ipod 3g? 14.13.58 # i usually add one whenever i need one 14.14.31 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.14.44 # no time for testing now 14.14.48 # perhaps later 14.14.49 # me too, but I've never worked on a collaboration latex-document before 14.15.12 # well, i doubt we'll ever need referance even 10% of the sections we do 14.15.26 # and subsections, perhaps sometimes, but very, very rarely 14.15.40 # you are probably right. 14.15.44 # lots of things might need references 14.15.47 # you can't go labling everything 14.15.49 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp1-adsl-24.ath.forthnet.gr) 14.16.01 # I won't, I promise :) 14.16.04 # hehe 14.16.22 # no, i dunno, this is just the way i work, but i've never done a (big) collab latex doc either 14.16.29 # usually just worked with one other fella 14.16.36 # hmm, we should also have a fixme macro 14.16.39 # preglow: how's the new crossfeed? 14.16.40 # indeed 14.16.43 # one that lights up red 14.16.47 # markun: it's nice 14.16.53 # markun: i can try to hack you up a patch before i leave 14.16.54 # yes, I'll go make one 14.16.54 # Almost ready for commit 14.17.05 # markun: almost, i just need to polish some settings and add an asm version 14.17.14 # and i'll be gone this weekend 14.18.44 Join skwad [0] (n=P4@lns-bzn-55-82-255-159-162.adsl.proxad.net) 14.18.51 # hi 14.18.57 # you can hack up the patch if you want, but I can wait till next week 14.19.54 # Can i make precompiled simulator for the iaudiophile forum so they can develop some wps ? 14.20.17 # markun: looks like that'll be the way of things, then, i wont have time to take out the relevant pieces now 14.20.23 # skwad: sure, why not? 14.20.34 # just wanted to know if it was allowed 14.21.19 # You'll technically be obligated to provide source, but if you don't modify anything, pointing to rockbox.org seems to be acceptable 14.21.42 # Wow, that Tango set has a lot of icons 14.22.45 # Hm, looks like thinkgeek sent out their April 1st mail today 14.22.56 # Unless this is a real product: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/izilla.shtml?cpg=28T 14.23.34 # hahahaha 14.23.45 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 14.24.07 # 'vinyl inserted' 14.24.20 # Or this: http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/usbtanner.shtml?cpg=28T :) 14.24.51 # markun: only thing i don't like much about it is the fact that it's got four parameters, and most of them are pretty subtle 14.25.11 # but they're also pretty much necessary for fine tuning for those of us who cares about that 14.25.19 Part XavierGr 14.25.32 # preglow: do you need different settings for different songs? 14.25.50 # or could we choose some nice values for some of them? 14.26.15 # bluebrother^, are you editing the LatexGuidelines page? If not, do you think you could remove the edit lock? 14.26.58 # I just finished editing it. 14.27.13 # ah 14.27.15 # markun: the settings should be universal 14.27.21 # I remember from my tests that much more or less than 13 samples delay didn't make sense 14.27.24 # markun: differing from head to head 14.27.52 # cool, I found the event for xchat. "Channel Msg Highlight". Why haven't I seen this before? 14.28.00 # markun: the parameters you can change are: direct sound gain, cross sound gain, cross sound high frequency gain, cross sound cutoff freq 14.28.09 # markun: the delay time is not yet adjustable, but that might happen 14.28.22 # markun: since the delay changes depending on how thick your head is, heh 14.28.28 # :) 14.28.58 # LinusN: Going for highscore takes a bit more... ;) 14.29.13 # there is still an edit lock on the page 14.29.19 # Someone obviously forgot to check button assignments... 14.29.25 # that highscore is mine for ever 14.31.10 # LinusN: spacerocks fixed for the 3G. 14.32.53 Quit P1mP (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.33.08 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd745.f.strato-dslnet.de) 14.35.43 # * linuxstb should have compiled it first.... 14.37.29 # Anyone understand the purpose of the second CONFIG_KEYPAD check in spacerocks (starting at line 103) ? i.e. why is that a keypad feature? 14.38.15 # beats me 14.38.27 # spacerocks for 3G is still red. Ondio buttons are also missing... 14.38.45 # Yes, I know. I'm puzzling over the code around line 103... 14.40.04 Quit midgey31 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.40.19 # linuxstb: seems to be related to the screen size to me 14.43.17 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.44.58 # Hmm... Maybe I'll just add the 3G keypad and leave it as it is. I can't test my commits now anyway. 14.48.06 # * bluebrother^ grabs a coffee ... 14.56.25 Join webguest36 [0] (n=839bf38d@labb.contactor.se) 14.57.39 Nick B4gd3r is now known as B4gder (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 15.01.05 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.07.21 Join b00st4 [0] (i=fr33z0r@ppp-82-135-13-199.mnet-online.de) 15.07.22 # * preglow vanishes 15.07.28 # poof 15.07.29 Quit b00st4 (Client Quit) 15.07.48 Join b00st4 [0] (i=fr33z0r@ppp-82-135-13-199.mnet-online.de) 15.09.19 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 15.10.32 # b00574 15.10.37 # what is the X5V? 15.10.50 # X5 without fm 15.10.52 # afaik 15.11.11 # How that translates into a V is anyone's guess 15.11.16 # bluebrother^, what do you think we should use to highlight the bold part in a item list? 15.11.26 # emph? 15.11.59 # hmm. You mean emphasized parts? 15.12.27 # well, not really. like \item {The Scale} Between the indicators of .... 15.12.35 # ah, ok. 15.12.49 # \item[The Scale] Between ... 15.12.59 # Ok, what will happen then? 15.13.04 # latex-magic? 15.13.16 # iirc this was using the description environment. 15.13.32 # Ok, will probably work 15.13.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.14.14 # yup. \begin{description}\item[Term] Description for it 15.14.40 # hmm, so I should use description instead of itemize? 15.15.52 # exactly. 15.16.00 # I'll see how that looks 15.17.18 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 15.19.14 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.19.14 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 15.22.20 # * LinusN loves the Luke_Skyrocker WPS/theme 15.23.20 # Where's that? 15.23.27 # misticriver 15.23.58 # Oh, LinusN turned to the dark side ;( 15.23.59 # hmm, I am not sure what we should use as a standard. With the itemize environment, we get bullets. But, then we need to highlight the 'entry' ourselves. 15.24.04 # amiconn: :-) 15.24.09 # Graphical gimmicks... 15.24.15 # haha 15.24.22 Join pore_69 [0] (i=pore_69@168.226.70.189) 15.24.29 # I love the idea with the stars 15.24.39 # i love the trench 15.25.04 # aha 15.25.06 # ah, that's what I meant 15.26.08 Part pore_69 15.27.52 # I'm just looking if we can modify the description environment to use bullets as well 15.28.28 # but as the lists _are_ descriptions I think we should prefer the description environment. 15.28.39 # nice if you get that working. I'll commit your notes patch now. 15.28.52 # except where the lists aren't descriptions of course. 15.28.56 # :) 15.29.00 # I'm still trying. 15.29.18 # found some nice information on the net too. 15.30.20 # I am a bit undecided on what looks best, bullets with a bold description. Or just a bold description 15.32.29 # does anyone else think the wiki needs a better table of contents? 15.33.04 # Does it have one? :) 15.33.40 # well, i'm talking about the main wiki page 15.34.12 # I often find myself searching for a page that i have seen before, but can't remember how to get to via links 15.36.55 # We need a wiki about the wiki... 15.37.06 # Lynx_: most "important" pages are linked from the "Documentation" page 15.37.21 # LinusN: yes, the index there is nice 15.37.25 # that is the official toc 15.37.30 # ok 15.37.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebSearch 15.37.55 # Mikachu: that's cheating ;) 15.38.29 # * amiconn often uses WebIndex, and still doesn't understand why Zagor removed the direct links to it 15.39.39 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 15.40.46 Part LinusN 15.41.28 # tucoz: after googling around a bit: the easiest way seems tu define a new list format. Works quite well for me. 15.41.53 # now I have a description-environment with bullets but I'm not sure if I like it. 15.41.59 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 15.42.10 # hi 15.43.25 # Ok, that we could decide. Maybe I just use the description env for now. That is, for list of the kind in chapter 2->playlist submenu 15.43.36 # ..decide later on.. 15.43.47 # man, I suck at writing 15.44.19 # Just to get rid of the textbf at least 15.44.28 Quit b00st4 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.44.47 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd745.f.strato-dslnet.de) 15.45.08 # hehe. 15.45.23 # or what do you think? 15.45.28 # with search and replace this wouln't be a big deal. 15.45.42 # so I'd say stick with the description for now. 15.45.47 # ok 15.46.06 Quit tonz|away (Remote closed the connection) 15.48.02 # I like the note macro. 15.50.53 Join P1mP [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 15.51.11 # great :) 15.51.27 # I'd like to expand your fixme macro to show a margin icon as well. 15.51.50 # Haha, an lcar theme/wps 15.52.54 # bluebrother^, do that 15.54.53 # I think I commit my changes to the rockbox_interface chapter. The description env looks a little weird, but the file is easier to work with at least. 15.55.01 # webguest37: i wonder if you can get the woman from startrek to record the voice interface too 15.55.40 # Now that'd be something 15.57.29 # hmm 15.57.36 # markun 15.57.54 # how difficult is it to compile the simulator under windows? do i have to install sdl under cygwin? 15.58.19 # you can use a precompiled sdl, but you need the headers too 15.59.11 Join Paprica [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-172-43.bb.netvision.net.il) 16.01.45 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.04.52 # Linus' cygwin package should be fine for that I think 16.05.12 Quit aliask ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 16.08.50 # i'm just installing that 16.13.18 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 16.14.57 # hmm, configure still tells me about a missing sdl-config 16.15.12 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 16.15.49 # could be a PATH issue perhaps 16.16.42 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.16.49 # where would i search for the sdl-config file? 16.17.44 # /usr/bin/ or /usr/local/bin I'd guess 16.17.49 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.18.29 # added fancy colors to spacerocks, is it HAVE_LCD_COLOR i want to check for? 16.19.34 # yes 16.23.07 # LCD flip is tricky for the mini :( 16.23.26 Quit Nibbler ("Think of someone of "average" intelligence. Then think half the world is dumber than that.") 16.23.27 # The problem is that the mini LCD with is not a whole number of bytes 16.23.36 # Flipping that means bitshifting... 16.24.11 # The LCD controller can do that (rotation+masking), but that means writing all lines twice 16.24.29 Quit webguest36 ("CGI:IRC") 16.24.40 # No such problem for 1G..4G 16.26.11 # somehow I don't feel very disturbed by not being able to support lcd flip on the mini-) 16.26.19 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-spacerocks_color.patch 16.26.46 # What is the way to get extra output from "make"? 16.26.52 # V=1 16.27.01 # does that patch look good? 16.27.08 # thanks 16.27.25 Quit P1mP (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.28.35 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.28.37 # I think the CPU should do that, especially since on arm shifting comes almost for free... 16.29.01 # Mikachu: with no testing done or anything it looks fine to me 16.29.09 # how do you use an ipod upside down without covering the display with your hand? 16.29.25 # B4gder: i tried compiling+running that with both ifdef and ifndef on my nano 16.30.03 # (and it worked fine :) 16.30.15 # How about setting a backdrop image? 16.30.27 # Mikachu: The main use of upside down is when your box is lying on a table and you're using earphones. Using it upside down means less strees to the cable, and also slightly more usable cable length 16.30.51 # amiconn: ah, they have the phone plug on the top? 16.30.56 # yes 16.31.03 # okay, makes less sense for the nano then 16.31.07 # Mikachu: I think only the Nano doesn't. 16.31.10 # Most of our targets have 16.31.13 # linuxstb: i guess that would be plausible 16.31.26 # * webguest37 despairs at the enourmous LD rockboxui command 16.31.31 # Only exceptions are (afaik) fm/v2 recorder (side) and nano (bottom) 16.31.51 # the x5 has it on the side 16.32.12 # very near the top 16.32.18 # Okay, then add X5 to the exception list 16.32.41 # * amiconn thinks that having the earphone socket on the side is a silly design 16.32.57 Part tucoz ("Leaving") 16.33.06 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 16.34.34 # sounds hard to keep in pocket 16.34.49 # yeps 16.35.10 # in the x5 case it really isn't any real nuisance 16.36.28 # but still an odd design idea 16.36.47 # the fm/v2 has it in the middle of the side, don't they? 16.37.11 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.37.21 # Don't know, since I don't own one 16.37.36 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks1.png http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks2.png 16.37.44 # me neither, trying to remember how Linus' one looks 16.38.21 # Mikachu: committed! 16.38.25 # hooray 16.38.45 # * Mikachu hopes for no points 16.38.56 # we need to keep the build servers going 16.38.58 # :-) 16.40.40 # now here's fine quote from the iaudio forum: 16.40.45 # "Will be RockBox operate as multiboat?" 16.40.51 # hahaha 16.40.52 # Has anyone looked into crosscompiling w32 sims? 16.41.04 # that is, sdl-w32 16.41.06 # it should be possible with some mingw32 hackery 16.41.14 # Yeah, I'm looking into it 16.41.23 # Compiling SDL was no problem 16.41.40 # I'm now trying to hack up the rockbox Makefile to do what I want 16.41.58 # you may need to patch the configure somewhat 16.42.04 # Replaced all native tools with the ming32 versions 16.42.11 # Well, currently I'm just manually editing the makefile 16.42.14 # we built the previous native win32 sim on linux 16.42.23 # and there are traces of that left 16.42.29 # B4gder: katamaranbox? 16.42.30 # you can probably take advantage of them 16.42.36 Join Spida_ [0] (i=Spida@p508A2D6B.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 16.42.40 # I'll have a look 16.42.55 # rockbox - your first dual boat firmware! ;-) 16.43.02 # /usr/lib/gcc/i586-mingw32msvc/3.4.5/../../../../i586-mingw32msvc/lib/libmingw32.a(main.o): undefined reference to `_WinMain@16' 16.43.09 # is what I'm getting now 16.43.17 # When it's linking 16.44.06 # * webguest37 checks out configurescript 16.44.50 # the iaudiophile forum turned into a rockbox fest 16.45.03 # (x5 people) 16.45.48 # table still green 16.46.03 # phew 16.46.43 # shouldn't viewcvs diffs be in fixed width fonts? 16.46.51 # code in varwidth looks really strange 16.47.24 # make tells me "not rule to make target 'zip'. Stop.". How do I fix that? 16.49.17 # yeah B4gder but it isn't well organised I find 16.49.44 # what isn't? 16.49.48 # ah, the forum? 16.49.50 # the iaudiophile forum 16.49.51 # yep 16.49.57 # ah, not it seems more like chaos to me 16.50.14 # * skwad thinking the same 16.50.27 # what means white text in the wiki ? 16.50.59 # I noticed the iaudiophile.net front page news item doesn't mention that Rockbox also works on ipods - only Archos and iriver... 16.52.04 # heh, "the modified firmware" 16.52.22 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIaudioX5 16.52.27 # bye 16.52.32 # why is Hipod written in white ? 16.52.43 Quit Jungti1234 () 16.52.51 # because it is a wiki-style text but there's no such wiki page 16.53.18 Join bobTHC [0] (n=bobTHC@l04m-62-34-45-33.d1.club-internet.fr) 16.53.21 # you can prevent that somehow I forget how 16.53.22 # hi 16.53.28 # ok 16.54.28 Quit Spida (Connection timed out) 16.54.29 # ipod mini 2g daily builds added 16.54.31 # I think you need to put an ! before it - !HiPod 16.55.00 # linuxstb, skwad: HiPod 16.55.06 # ok thx 16.55.36 # worked nice 16.55.37 # An ! also works... 16.55.51 # There's a nice link at the bottom of the edit window opening a popup window describing all formatting options 16.56.24 # re 16.56.36 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.57.11 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 16.58.26 Quit petur ("time for a drink") 17.00.11 # Strange that the iaudiophile frontpage link to the forum goes straight to a post saying "Flac run's the best" 17.02.19 Quit skwad (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.02.33 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.22 # hi 17.06.41 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-195-14-204-204.netcologne.de) 17.09.19 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.10.01 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@nmd.hissf.sjc.wayport.net) 17.11.30 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-212-225-78-190.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 17.11.58 # hrrr.. it's like I'm not linking with mingw32, except I am 17.13.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.14.17 # so... what's Mikachu's color patch? 17.14.33 # http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks1.png http://mikachu.ath.cx/spacerocks2.png 17.14.48 # leaving town in an hour... wondering if its worth flashing my iaudio :) 17.14.59 # it's just for spacerocks as you can see 17.15.38 # looks cool though 17.15.52 # i think i'll leave the player alone though 17.15.57 # Teh asteroids aren't filled?? 17.16.09 # that's not my fault, they were only polygons before too 17.16.13 # Should they be? 17.16.24 # i don't remember them being filled 17.16.24 # Would look way better, imho 17.17.03 # But it'd be wrong 17.17.07 # today will be a true test of battery life... 17.17.29 # i think some clones use filled and some use unfilled 17.17.32 Quit bobTHC ("Smoke Weed Every Dayz !!!!!!!") 17.19.20 # well looks like i've got spacerocks 17.19.25 # guess that's what counts for now ;) 17.19.49 # i need to add piezo sound effects too :) 17.20.49 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-165-155.dsl.pipex.com) 17.21.10 # Opportunity to show off with an efficient polygon fill ;) 17.23.35 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 17.27.10 # so.. is there a place to adjust the clock on the x5? 17.27.15 # i guess i shouldn't mess with it 17.27.21 # because tomorrow it will change anyway 17.27.42 Join b00st4 [0] (n=fr33z0r@ppp-82-135-91-246.mnet-online.de) 17.29.28 # woo! 17.29.32 # Exciting, I have a rockboxui.exe 17.29.43 # does it work too? 17.29.47 # Mikachu: You now need to merge spacerocks and starfield... 17.29.52 # We'll see about that 17.30.29 # i can't touch starfield, preglow promised to kill me 17.30.49 # Quite right too... 17.31.18 # it would be fun if you could rotate in starfield though, so the stars scrolled by sideways etc 17.31.49 # but i think that would constitute touching 17.32.10 # call it something else? 17.32.21 # :) 17.32.30 # It actually runs. Hurray 17.32.30 # staroids or something 17.34.42 # goffa: the point is i don't want to write any actual code 17.35.04 # ok 17.35.33 # i just thought you were trying to avoid death by preglow 17.35.34 # anyone to help me with the playback engine ? 17.35.35 # he he he 17.35.46 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.36.00 Join webguest17 [0] (n=54454778@labb.contactor.se) 17.36.01 # "The application or DLL _temp_codec.dll is not a valid Windows image. Please check this against your installation diskette." 17.36.09 # Diskette? Diskette?!? 17.36.16 # hehe 17.36.29 # "please insert the floppy disc windows 98 cd-rom in drive d:" 17.36.29 # Minor problem though, the sim actually runs 17.38.19 Quit webguest17 (Client Quit) 17.38.22 # Well that's strange.. "file" seems to think that it is indeed a w32 DLL 17.41.19 # man... maybe I should have just called it pregain instead of precut in the equalizer... though then there'd be questions like "why can't in increase the pregain above 0 dB"... 17.41.37 # (my problem with _WinMain was that I had to link against SDLmain as well as SDL) 17.42.26 # Are people really asking that? 17.43.14 # Nico_P: I would like to have a look at the album art patch and see if I can fix the playback problems - but I can't do it now. Is your latest patch available anywhere? 17.43.21 # "Precut" seems like a self-explanatory term. 17.43.37 # linuxstb: :D i'll send you my latest version 17.44.28 # i've sent you a DCC request... 17.46.55 # Febs, saw a question about it on the iaudiophile forum 17.48.32 # linuxstb: it's on the patch tracker now 17.49.45 # i haven't yet moved the data out of mp3entry... i wanted to concentrate on fixing playback 17.49.56 # Nico_P: OK, thanks. I'll let you know if I make any progress. 17.50.02 # hmm, what is the problem with that patch? 17.51.03 Join webguest16 [0] (n=8d186852@labb.contactor.se) 17.51.32 # Slasheri: it stores the album art in the file buffer. But at least part of the bitmap data is read by the codecs, and that causes failures for some codecs and/or breaks gapless playback 17.52.05 # MP3s play but there is a slight 'hiccup' between tracks 17.52.11 # ah 17.52.21 # i should do the metadata buffering to the playback engine.. 17.52.31 # maybe i have time to do that before the feature freeze :) 17.52.38 # oggs fail if following MP3s, but work fine (gapless too) when started from the browser 17.53.06 Quit webguest16 (Client Quit) 17.53.28 # Slasheri: that would be really cool but isn't it a bit too big of a task to start before the feature freeze ? 17.53.58 # hmm, maybe. In fact, that shouldn't be a big task 17.54.21 # just convert the codec buffer to metadata buffer to store the codecs and other data 17.54.58 # Weird, shouldn't _temp_codec.dll and .rockbox/codecs/mpa.codec be identical if you play an mp3? 17.55.13 # or is it altered before being loaded? 17.55.22 # Hmm, i will check 17.55.27 # I guess I *could* check the source, but that'd involve work 17.56.06 Quit Febs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.56.24 # Ah, hrm, it is altered 17.57.14 # how? 17.57.37 # or not.. wah 17.57.41 # it should be identical 17.57.44 # at least it has been, in this case 18.00.29 # Interesting, there's ifdef WIN32 blocks in the function responsible for the codecload 18.01.10 # hrm, no, I probably don't want that 18.01.26 # eh, I do 18.01.28 Join ziomek [0] (n=mandaryn@mail-B.swk.vectranet.pl) 18.02.21 Part ziomek 18.03.20 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 18.05.00 # Interesting post about ipod 5G battery life: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3259.0 18.05.01 # Mikachu: starrocks? spacefield? 18.05.10 # Nico_P: Hmm, i don't wonder that the patch breaks the playback buffer.. just looked at the patch 18.05.13 # (claiming Rockbox outlasts the Apple firmware) 18.05.29 # webguest37: You need to use dlltool instead of ld for building the codecs and plugins 18.05.36 # yes ? it's probably full of mistakes 18.05.40 # ...when building for windows, that is 18.06.02 # amiconn: that might matter.... 18.06.27 # bbl 18.06.29 Quit linuxstb ("Client Exiting") 18.06.30 # Nico_P: i will try to do the metadata buffering soon, then it would be easy to use that instead 18.06.50 # Slasheri: cool 18.07.06 # maybe you'd want to include album art directly ? 18.07.34 Quit Genre9mp3 (Client Quit) 18.07.35 # hmm, i will consider that :) 18.07.40 # Now to figure out how to actually use dlltool,, then 18.07.45 # but i would need to use simulator as i have only h140 18.08.56 # Album art in 4 greylevels... 18.08.57 # there is still some work needed on the displaying part : scaling, allowing to use a 'covers' subdir, including massa's changes... but maybe whilst you're at it you could include the basic loading 18.09.29 # and btw, do you have any big mistakes i made in mind ? 18.09.33 # amiconn: It's not as bad as you'd think 18.09.49 # 4 greylevels suck badly for image display 18.10.17 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 18.15.57 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 18.16.14 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.16.48 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 18.17.18 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 18.18.06 # Wee, I finally managed to open my mini 18.18.33 # Surprise: The codec is neither a WM8721 nor a WM8731, but a WM8711 18.18.59 Join _arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-213-168-108-250.netcologne.de) 18.19.55 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 18.21.01 # Here's what I did to crosscompile the SDL sim.. I don't have enough knowledge to fix the configure script or the codec problem.. http://pastebin.com/632836 18.21.27 # do the .rock plugins work? 18.22.04 # up 18.22.06 # yup 18.22.21 # Cube is spinning 18.22.55 # Plasma is damn slow 18.23.03 # heh, surprise 18.23.15 # fire's fast enough though.. seems the other way round on target iirc 18.24.49 # But yeah, everything but codecs seem to work 18.25.06 # odd, codec loading is basically the same as plugin loading 18.26.13 # curious 18.27.11 Quit safetydan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.30.55 Join bobTHC [0] (n=bobTHC@l04m-62-34-45-33.d1.club-internet.fr) 18.31.01 # bohwowowwo 18.32.10 Quit arkascha (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.38.25 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp11-adsl-41.ath.forthnet.gr) 18.40.56 Quit dbzdeath (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.42.45 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.44.06 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.44.18 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 18.44.40 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 18.47.42 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd330.f.strato-dslnet.de) 18.53.33 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 18.54.31 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Oe140.o.pppool.de) 18.54.42 Part XavierGr 18.56.28 Join woremacx [0] (n=woremacx@p93a6ba.oknwnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp) 18.56.29 Quit Zzzcf (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.00.16 Join webguest31 [0] (n=456add43@labb.contactor.se) 19.00.25 Quit webguest31 (Client Quit) 19.00.33 Join webguest31 [0] (n=456add43@labb.contactor.se) 19.00.36 Quit _arkascha (Remote closed the connection) 19.00.57 Join Zzzcf [0] (n=scf@141-113-207-82.ip.ukrtel.net) 19.01.00 # for best rockbox support, would it be better to purchase an X5 over a 5G? 19.02.42 Join tempi [0] (n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi) 19.03.16 # here's again the man again that currently works on iPodLinux Loader v2... 19.04.23 # i have another question: do you have use for the ability to pass a text string to the loaded rockbox from the loader? e.g. that you can configure the loader to launch rockbox with either of 2 or more arguments and the user can then select them at boot time? 19.05.08 # if so, contact me soon, please, over at #ipodlinux-dev or personally (might have to try my other nick "tempel" then as well) 19.05.12 Join ghode|afk [0] (i=testing@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com) 19.05.17 # and off again... 19.05.17 Part tempi ("Leaving") 19.05.31 # does he pay for irc windows or something? 19.05.38 # haha 19.05.40 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.05.52 # drive-by ircing 19.06.51 Quit webguest31 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.11.13 # Bagder: Is there an attachment size limit in the wiki? 19.11.34 # I'm trying to upload my mini2g shots, but it doesn't work... 19.13.37 Join luigi [0] (n=luigi@dyn-83-157-77-72.ppp.tiscali.fr) 19.13.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.15.01 Part luigi 19.15.33 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.16.20 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 19.17.01 Join Bger [0] (n=Bager@217.9.226.114) 19.19.07 # wow, the HACKING document in uisimulator has "no info yet" on win32 sim 19.19.58 # webguest37 win32/X sims are considered obsolete now 19.20.35 # Yeah, just noting that win32 sim came and went without being mentioned in that document 19.21.22 # :D 19.21.44 # hmm, just wondering how i could remove the glue from the backside of h140 as i removed one of the worn stickers 19.22.13 # without breaking the paint 19.22.28 # h140 has a paint too ? 19.22.53 Quit davinci (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.22.56 # i think it has something like that (black paint on the magnesium allow or similar) 19.23.26 # I have the european h120 which is champagne 19.23.27 # ah, i got it now 19.23.30 # *alloy 19.23.40 # on some edges the "paint" came off. 19.23.47 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.stb.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.23.57 # the inner case seems to be white. Looks quite funny. 19.25.03 # Maybe it wants to be an ipod 19.25.22 Quit ghode|afk (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.25.27 # maybe. But it doesn't have a click-wheel ;-) 19.26.07 # :D 19.27.17 Nick woremacx is now known as woremawy (n=woremacx@p93a6ba.oknwnt01.ap.so-net.ne.jp) 19.30.27 Quit luigi_ (Connection timed out) 19.36.23 Quit bobTHC (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.39.14 Join jay-k [0] (n=jay-k@adsl-072-148-125-059.sip.mob.bellsouth.net) 19.40.55 # hello - I'm using the x5 rockbox and seem to have locked myself out of the UI - anybody got time to give me a pointer? 19.41.58 Join davinci [0] (i=alexande@Oe140.o.pppool.de) 19.42.48 # I turned off backlignt timeout - and now the buttons are unresponsive. Can anyone tell me how to reset the configuration to the default. I tried reflashing the firmware - but no go. 19.43.21 # try holding one of the buttons while booting, not sure which it would be for x5 19.44.11 Join petur [0] (n=petur@d54C1A8F0.access.telenet.be) 19.47.21 # no dice - just booted with each button held down. I get the boot screen, the rockbox logo, then the backlight turns off and keys are unresponsive again. 19.47.37 # i guess something is wrong with the backlight first press filter code 19.47.59 # i don't know how that works though 19.48.26 # is there a file somewhere that stores the startup config ? I can still access it as a drive 19.48.52 # no, it's saved somewhere on the disk not part of a filesystem 19.49.30 # It's possible to clear the settings sector from a pc - if you use dd and know what you are doing 19.49.43 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 19.49.56 # probably easier to copy a rockbox.x5 that is hardcoded to reset the settings 19.50.03 # I am familiar with dd.. 19.50.08 # or even better has the bug fixed 19.51.26 # mikachu - you mean a specially compiled rockbox ? I tried reflashing but that didn't work. 19.51.49 # you would need to change the config sector version thingy 19.51.49 # yeah 19.52.10 # No, just zeroing the config sector is enough 19.52.11 # no, there's a check in startup that resets settings if you hold the right button 19.52.13 # (with dd) 19.52.29 # you could just remove the button check and it would reset the settings 19.53.08 # ok... so how do I find the config sector? 19.53.27 # set location or ? 19.53.55 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 19.53.56 # jay-k: did you try booting with hold on too? 19.54.32 # yup. :-( 19.54.38 # jay-k: Try the following: 19.55.18 # (1) check for config sector: dd if=/your/iaudio_dev of=config.bin skip=61 count=1 19.55.46 # Then open this in a hex editor. It should start with "Roc" 19.56.01 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 19.56.09 # If you're sure this is your config sector, then overwrite it: 19.56.34 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.57.33 # dd if=/dev/zero of=/your/iaudio_dev seek=61 count=1 19.58.03 # be sure to use seek there, and not skip again 19.58.39 # y 19.59.09 # sho' nuff. 20.00.06 # here goes nothing. 20.00.35 # You guys are officially my heros. :-) 20.00.48 # someone should fix that bug though 20.01.36 # Which one, where the backlight is off so you can't use the keys, or where there is nothing you can do to overwrite the config sector? 20.01.49 # Both 20.02.00 # The config sector business will go, one day 20.02.17 # There should be a SETTINGS_RESET defined for.. all targets? 20.02.33 # But if there's a bug with backlight timeout and the 'eat first keypress' thing, this needs to be fixed 20.02.34 # or it should use button_hold for all targets without it 20.02.49 # Mikachu: Not all targets have hold 20.03.19 # what i meant to say was the ones with hold don't need a settings_reset 20.03.31 # I was surprised the 'eat first keypress' was on default 20.03.46 # It is for colour targets 20.04.15 # what's the connection between colour and backlight? 20.04.25 # ah, just used turpentine and now black shines from the backside of my h140 :) no stickers or glue left at all 20.05.30 # jay-k: So, did you set the backlight to always off, or always on? 20.05.34 # Mikachu: Most colour screens are completey unusable without backlight 20.05.56 # rockbox should detect if you're looking at the screen or not 20.06.06 # hah 20.06.31 # I set the backlight to 'off' 20.06.50 # when I did that, all the buttons stopped responding immediately. I couldn't change it back. 20.09.36 Join ghode|afk [0] (i=testing@host-84-9-105-90.bulldogdsl.com) 20.12.09 # Hmm, backlight completely off should automatically disable 'eat first keypress' 20.12.43 # if (!filter_first_keypress || is_backlight_on()) 20.12.57 # would anything break if is_backlight_on() reported true when backlight is disabled? 20.13.09 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 20.13.39 Join retardedteddy [0] (n=40c2d843@labb.contactor.se) 20.14.37 # here's what I noticed when trying the buttons on bootum 20.14.39 # bootup. 20.15.25 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 20.15.36 # it would sometimes take that first keypress - for example if I was holding down select (the joystick pushed down) it would go to the first folder (firmware i think) but after that the buttons were unresponsive. 20.17.27 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 20.18.02 # possible that the button driver queues the events before the settings are loaded maybe 20.18.16 # Mikachu: The problem with using hold to reset settings on the ipod is that inserting USB/power will turn on the ipod, even if hold is on. A few people have "complained" about losing their settings accidentally by doing that. So we should try and prevent that happening. 20.18.37 # i've been able to reset it accidentally two times in the last three days without using usb 20.18.43 Quit retardedteddy ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.19.03 # How do you manage that? 20.19.16 # i'm not exactly sure 20.19.21 # I have just added "http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4979" to fix the broken Ondio manuals, can anyone comit it please? 20.19.34 # The config version has been bumped a couple of times recently - that will reset your settings. 20.19.45 # yeah but it was while i was out 20.20.01 # i probably turned on hold right after i pressed menu and put it in my pocket, forgot i had to press play too 20.21.01 # That's also a problem with using hold - if a user has auto-resume, they may want to turn it on, turn hold on and then put it away before Rockbox starts... 20.21.06 # yeah 20.21.20 Join maeck [0] (n=chatzill@206.208.224.161) 20.21.47 # But I can't think of a better solution with our current button driver - just enabling a key combination didn't work. 20.21.54 # the only actually annoying part is losing the current position in the playlist 20.22.09 # linuxstb: Hmm, early usb detection should catch that, before loading settings 20.22.14 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 20.22.29 # why didn't a key combination work? 20.22.53 # The button driver doesn't seem to register presses before it is started. 20.23.00 # i remembered that now 20.23.04 # amiconn: I'm not sure what you mean. 20.23.14 # linuxstb: Yes, that's because of how the ipod button driver works 20.23.20 # (interrupt driven) 20.23.25 # is that a hw limit? 20.23.35 # On targets where we poll the button there's no such limit 20.24.03 # couldn't you read it from the hw directly in that place only, or would it be cheating? 20.24.08 # linuxstb: There's early usb detection in main.c which is done even before ata init, i.e. before loading settings 20.24.11 # like button_really_check_status() 20.24.39 # amiconn: Yes, but how would that help us with resetting the settings? 20.24.53 Join Ricky28269 [0] (n=icechat5@adsl-209-5-216.asm.bellsouth.net) 20.24.55 # I dunno. Imho the button driver should just poll on iPod the same way as on other targets. The button tick is there anyway 20.25.32 # linuxstb: It means the settings shouldn't be reset because of hold being enabled and then waking up the iPod by plugging USB 20.25.52 # hi, i was wondering how i can get a 'base WAD' for rockdoom and where i should copy it to? i'm new to rockbox and doom, but i'd really like to get it working... 20.26.39 # The settings can only be reset after they are loaded, which means loading from disk. As early USB detection happens before ata init, the settings can't be loaded yet and hence not be reset 20.27.37 # Hmm, but they are reset... 20.27.46 # So something isn't working as it should 20.28.09 # Ricky28269: Which player do you have? 20.28.27 # ipod 5g 20.28.58 # The Rockbox Doom doesn't work on the ipods yet. 20.29.23 # darn... is iDoom compatible with rockbox? 20.29.54 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-128-180.pools.arcor-ip.net) 20.30.31 # No - iDoom runs under ipodlinux. 20.30.56 # and ipodlinux still doesn't fully support 5g, plus it requires linux and my linux box is at home :S 20.31.02 Quit webguest37 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 20.31.11 # *requires linux to install 20.31.41 # well then, on with more browsing through the plugins folder :) 20.32.13 # oh one more thing, does anyone here have a suggestion as to how to make all the iTunes scrambled file names into nice ones that i can easily browse? 20.32.50 # amiconn: I've just done a quick test, if I turn my ipod off, then turn on hold, and then plug in USB, it boots and then reboots into disk mode (settings are not reset). But then, if I unattach USB, the ipod reboots (with the hold switch still on) and goes into Rockbox, where the settings are then reset. 20.33.14 Quit Genre9mp3 () 20.33.52 # So the early USB detection works as you thought, but it's the subsequent reboot back into Rockbox that causes the problem. 20.34.15 # Yes, if the hold switch is still on when unplugging USB, the reset is obvious 20.34.17 # Ricky28269: Use TagCache - http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 20.34.19 # this is probably not so helpful, but why would you have hold on when having it on your desk? 20.34.41 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.34.51 # But the settings are also reset if you switch hold on, plug usb (rockbox boots & reboots into disk mode), then switch off hold before pulling USB 20.35.14 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp11-adsl-41.ath.forthnet.gr) 20.35.36 # At least on my mini... 20.35.57 # That doesn't make sense. I'll try it... 20.37.01 # Works as expected for me - no reset. 20.37.06 # (on my 4g Color) 20.38.16 # hmmm. 20.38.31 # okay, i'm following those tag cache instructions. another question i have is, when i am playing a song, it skips during playback. file type is plain mp4, and i wasn't doing anything but listening, nothing was going in the background 20.39.16 Join Nico_P [0] (n=nicolas@rob92-6-82-231-243-63.fbx.proxad.net) 20.39.17 # The mp4 (AAC) decoder is very slow - skips are due to it not being fast enough to decode in realtime. 20.39.28 # Do you know the bitrate of your files? 20.39.41 # i believe it's 128kb/s 20.40.27 # yea on the play screen it says 128kBit avg (no id3) 20.40.30 # Ricky28269: do you have the peak meters on? 20.40.34 # My 128kb/s AAC test file works fine. Do you have the peakmeter on your play screen? 20.40.47 # Mikachu: Good question... 20.40.47 # linuxstb: I have an idea: 20.40.49 # it skips approximately every 6 seconds, for about half a second 20.41.01 # Mikachu, maybe. what is that? lol 20.41.06 # The bootloader should check both usb and hold status. 20.41.31 # If it find usb active, it should immediately reboot to disk mode, without even bothering to load rockbox 20.41.32 # Ricky28269: the moving bars 20.41.52 # ..and if it finds usb inactive but hold active, it should shut down 20.41.52 # oh yea. yea, on this play screen, but i think it also skips on the other play screen - i'll check right now 20.41.59 # amiconn: what if you want to have usb in to charge? 20.42.13 # Checking usb status in the bootloader could be tricky. Any initialisation of the hardware we do in the bootloader seems to cause the Apple firmware to refuse to run. 20.42.21 # urgs 20.42.38 # Btw, speaking about apple firmware: 20.42.42 # okay i switched to one called iAmp, it has no peak meters and seems to be working 20.42.53 # If you notice, most of the firmware/ code is #ifndef BOOTLOADER for the ipod. 20.43.00 # I can't get the apple firmware to start from the rockbox bootloader 20.43.29 # ...independent of which bootloader button code I use. Tried both mini (1g) and ipod 4g code 20.43.31 # that's another question i have! how do i switch back to the apple firmware, instead of loading the rockbox firmware? 20.43.42 # Maybe preglow could give some hints... 20.43.57 # Ricky28269: hold menu 20.43.58 # So it's just the button detection that's failing? 20.44.34 # I mean, if you delete rockbox.ipod, does the apple firmware load? 20.44.46 # ok, i'll try it after the TagCache thing. speaking of which, another question: how will i know when the TagCache update is done? 20.44.49 Join odoyletul [0] (i=buzz86us@dialup-4.157.53.55.Dial1.Boston1.Level3.net) 20.45.09 # When your hard disk stops making noises. 20.45.39 # lol, that's the only indication? great....... 20.45.42 Quit Nico_P (Remote closed the connection) 20.45.47 # It's still a work in progress.... 20.45.57 # hey i have a question where can i find some good nimh batteries 20.46.10 # yea, well i guess that's the price of open source :) 20.46.30 # the price is you can fix it 20.46.37 # odoyletul, you might want to try goodnimhbatteries.com, i heard they can teleport them through your screen instantly 20.46.38 # i need some for my archos jukebox 20.46.38 # s/price/pleasure/ 20.46.43 # if it was closed and all the developers died you would be stuck with a nonworking program 20.47.02 # Ricky28269: “goodnimhbatteries.com” could not be found. :(( 20.47.02 # * Ricky28269 knocks on wood 20.47.06 # ouch 20.47.19 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 20.47.25 # well then the next best try would be your nearest RadioShack :) 20.47.40 # jeez cmon i figured you guyz would know some good sources 20.47.55 # linuxstb: Yes. But the apple firmware gets confused by our bootloader 20.48.11 # The display is mirrored and shown at an offset 20.48.23 # you dont have to be mean to me 20.48.24 # lol! that's pretty funny, i should try that 20.48.25 # That's exactly the same bug as the 4g grayscale users have reported. 20.48.50 # can't you do something like write the retailOS cookie in iram and reboot from the bootloader and do no init at all and just check the cookie? 20.48.51 # amiconn, does this mirrored+offset thing work on 5g ipods or a diff model? 20.49.03 # mini 2g 20.49.10 # can someone be serious and help a brotha out 20.49.11 # Ricky28269: It's a bug - and it only affects the mini 2g and 4g greyscale. 20.49.25 # ah darn. i was going to do it and show my friends, be like "hey guys look my ipod is messed up, it's all flipped and stuff" 20.49.36 # that would be fun. 20.49.52 # odoyletul, i suggest google or something. this is not #nimhbatteries 20.50.03 # Mikachu: But that would mean an extra reboot, which doesn't seem desirable. 20.50.09 Join tboy [0] (n=510f339b@labb.contactor.se) 20.50.14 # linuxstb: apple takes like half a minute to boot anyway 20.50.23 # i usually go and have dinner while it boots 20.50.37 # i need them for my archos player so i can run rockbox OS 20.50.39 # You could have dinner and a movie whilst the 5g firmware boots... 20.50.57 # that's quite an exaggeration, although it does take almost a minute... 20.50.59 # so maybe the reboot would only look a bit strange, but not hurt a lot 20.51.00 # Apple's solution is their sleep/hibernation modes. 20.51.09 # Well, apple boots considerably slower than rockbox on mini 2g 20.51.26 # And it's just got worse with later ipods I think. 20.51.33 # I'd say apple boot on mini 2g needs about the same time as rockbox boot on iriver 20.51.43 # rockbox boot on mini 2g is blazingly fast 20.52.03 # i have only had experience with my 5g, so i don't kno about the older ipods, but the 5g does take about a minute i believe 20.52.16 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-4ec93dc6f1789846) 20.52.19 # yeah because there is no hdd to spin up smarty pants 20.52.23 # as long as you wake it up every once in a while, it doesn't power all the way down... 20.52.37 # The slowest part of rockbox boot is the time the apple logo is shown 20.53.02 # odoyletul: There is a HD to spin up... 20.53.27 # wow, it seems the volume indicator of the iAmp wps is off the top of the screen.... :S 20.53.41 # rockbox takes exactly 5 seconds to reach the main menu from pressing menu to awaken from deep sleep on my nano 20.54.14 # ipods suck apple don't even make them 20.54.20 # i scroll the wheel for volume changes and some pixels at the top turn on and off, in no apparent bar pattern or anything 20.54.38 # odoyletul: thanks for the meaningful contributions 20.54.39 # odoyletul, you just keep looking for batteries k? 20.54.59 # they OEM from some company in japan 20.55.06 # Mikachu: 7 seconds on mini 2g (from switched-off-by-rockbox state) 20.55.26 # i would time my 5g but it's probably still doing the tag cache thing :) 20.55.38 # i added a button_clear_queue() after the splash is done, i think i'll remove that 20.55.45 # apple only writes the firmware which cripples the player to their shit 20.55.46 # since i can press play after like 3 seconds and it will be queued 20.56.09 # -!- #rockbox You need to be a channel operator to do that :( 20.56.31 # the original firmware for that player plays movies music ebooks 20.57.44 # IRC should have a votekick command :-D 20.58.24 # I seem to have a problem with tagcache 20.58.34 # every time I force a update 20.58.35 # i was in china and i could have bought a bunch of ipods for the price of one ipod 20.58.40 # here 20.58.45 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 20.58.46 # my H300 freezes after 30 sec. 20.58.56 # anyone familiar with this? 20.59.29 # tboy: can you crash it with the simulator? 20.59.40 # Mikachu: button_clear_queue() should ideally not be used at all. 20.59.43 # if possible, please try with that and using same files as on your player 20.59.51 # my friends buy that shit too 21.00.10 # On archs, when rockbox is flashed, it allows to press resume directly after poweron, and rockbox will catch it :) 21.00.15 # tboy: then you can take a bactrace from a debugger if it crashes 21.00.19 # Slasheri: I haven't tried 21.00.53 # is there a way i can get rockbox to load my iTunes playlists? 21.01.03 # amiconn: yeah it was not a good idea 21.01.24 # wait so i can resume from where i was on the mp3 21.01.30 Join maeck_ [0] (n=chatzill@c-24-5-215-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.02.01 # amiconn does that mean i can resume where i was on the mp3 21.02.03 # * Mikachu feels an overpowering desire to help odoyletul 21.02.06 # no wait, i don't 21.02.51 # what i am just stating the truth 21.03.21 # it seems my force tag cache update feature is not working. i select it, it says updating in background, and the hard drive makes noise for a couple seconds, then just stops and nothing updates. 21.03.28 # most of your statements are incorrect and/or stupid 21.04.28 # and what is the danger of incrementing Max files in dir browser to something huge? is that just a freeze detector basically? 21.04.52 # http://i23.ebayimg.com/04/i/06/b7/48/3c_1_b.JPG this is the original player before apple puts their shit on it 21.05.13 Quit maeck (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.05.14 Nick maeck_ is now known as maeck (n=chatzill@c-24-5-215-181.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.06.18 # * Ricky28269 definitely agrees with Mikachu regarding odoyletul, especially after seeing that last line. 21.07.46 # i heard that the new rockbox has it where you can have voice commands 21.08.45 # oh wow i just found the 'Open with' command, how useful! 21.10.02 Join webguest03 [0] (n=3e4f4094@labb.contactor.se) 21.10.16 # not to mention the rest of the options..... basically complete file support, yay :) 21.10.30 # odoyletul: I think what you have there is known as an "Ipod Clone" 21.10.56 # lol 21.11.59 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.12.11 Quit tianjing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.12.21 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 21.12.39 # Looks like one of those Neo players 21.12.42 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 21.12.44 # http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?ModuleNo=49020&TabID=1&source=1&doy=25m2 21.12.46 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.13.04 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-118-240.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.13.16 # yeah so it does alot more than ipod ever thought of 21.13.48 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.13.53 # lmfao 21.14.01 # Neo.... 21.14.26 # i never seen an ipod mini that plays vidz 21.14.40 # how much is 70 lira, in USD? 21.15.29 # Ricky28269: if tagcache is complete - menu -> general -> file -> show files - set to id3 database 21.15.43 # it's not complete, it doesn't start... 21.15.54 # I think you also need to shutdown your ipod and restart it. 21.16.03 # wtf? why is it so fu***** expensive to order something from UK? 21.16.13 # 30GPS for delivery??? 21.16.17 # to where? 21.16.21 # ger 21.16.23 # oh, yes it seems, it auto-turned off so i turned it on and it said "Committing tagcache" - checking now 21.16.24 # * linuxstb has no complaints - living in the UK... 21.16.30 # :) 21.16.46 # Yay, it works! :) 21.17.03 # http://cgi.ebay.de/ULTIMATE-EARS-super-fi-5-PRO-in-ear-earphones-BLACK-NIB_W0QQitemZ9702127018QQcategoryZ112529QQssPageNameZWD2VQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 21.17.11 # * Ricky28269 is in good old North Carolina, USA 21.17.12 # to germany 40GPS? that can't be true 21.17.30 # what is a GPS? 21.17.46 # gold pieces, of course! 21.17.49 # RuneScape currency :) 21.17.52 # GBP, I think is the correct abbreviation of british pounds 21.17.55 # british pounds i guess 21.17.58 # i thought most countries used paper money now 21.18.10 # bluey: I think it'll be shipped with its own plane or something :-/ 21.18.10 # Mikachu it was a joke.. 21.18.17 # you've never played RuneScape before? 21.18.18 # me too 21.18.22 # or somekind of heavy transporter 21.18.37 # i think i thought they really were gold pieces? 21.18.41 # er, you* :) 21.19.30 # lol no. im just in the mood for RuneScape, but im on my crappy computer at my dad's house, so im messing with rockbox instead :) 21.20.12 # its a celeron 467 mhz... can't do much of anything lol 21.21.35 # does the gameboy emulator work on ipod 5g, and what are the buttons? 21.22.17 # ipod is always the best FOR ME TO POOP ON 21.22.21 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45010.dip.t-dialin.net) 21.22.39 # odoyletul: good, now take that somewhere else 21.22.57 # /votekick odoyletul 21.23.08 Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@82-32-84-226.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.23.10 # :) 21.23.33 Part davinci 21.23.42 # um 21.24.07 # i guess that didnt work 21.24.26 # it was a joke 21.24.49 # It didn't work :) 21.25.47 # man i just come here asking where i can find some decent batteries for my mp3 playa and i get sassed at some guy asks for help with his broke ipod and he gets help like nothing 21.26.12 # WTH 21.26.24 # BECAUSE THIS ISN'T #nimhbatteries !!! 21.26.48 # this is #rockbox, it is a support discussion for rockbox, having nothing to do with replacement mp3 player batteries! 21.26.58 # its hardware that is required to RUN THE MP3 PLAYER 21.27.01 # odoyletul: try to get sanyo ones, they last the longest 21.27.18 # then go to #hardwarethatisrequiredtoRUNTHEMP3PLAYER or something! 21.27.26 # also: look at photo related review sites, they feature battery tests 21.27.55 # google is your friend :) 21.27.58 # thanks petur 21.28.01 # batteries for mp3 players are so remotely related to this topic, you might as well ask for windows xp help on the lines that "rockbox was made for windows" 21.28.32 # what about generics should i stay away from those 21.28.53 # right, well I've seen many linux discussions here, never complained about it... 21.29.23 # odoyletul: That's usualy a good idea for any product, but then again, you might catch a good deal 21.29.34 # lol, well anyway i hope you kinda get my point. i asked for rockbox help, and i got it because this is #rockbox... 21.29.44 # odoyletul: as the saying goes: you get what you pay for... sometimes good, sometimes a rip-off 21.30.29 # * Ricky28269 's stupid crappy computer freezes as he plugs back in his ipod video to transfer a gameboy rom to it 21.30.35 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dslcustomer-230-197.vivodi.gr) 21.31.09 # well i want to get a couple sets of nimhs but ebay and websites like that charge like 12 bucks to ship 16 batteries 21.31.11 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Khe!!!") 21.31.37 # odoyletul: Get something local.. having them shipped far is unlikely to be worth the extra cost 21.32.18 # i was hoping an enlightened individual such as the people here would know a good source on the internet 21.32.40 # I always buy batteries local 21.32.48 # yeah right they want 12 bucks for 4 batteries 21.32.54 # like i said: radioshack 21.33.05 # shipping costs too much compared to the cost of the batteries 21.33.32 # most stores i go to don't even carry 2700mah batteries 21.33.33 # so compare some stores close to you 21.33.47 # also i saw a sign in the window of some video game store that said you can buy batteries there, i don't remember the store though 21.33.50 # that's bad 21.34.03 # actually it might have been EB Games 21.34.22 # odoyletul: You're in Boston (?), and you can't get decent batteries? 21.34.56 Join arkascha [0] (n=arkascha@xdsl-195-14-223-97.netcologne.de) 21.34.57 # i want some 2700mah batteries so my player will run 20 hours 21.35.18 # so you say 21.35.39 # google, and if you fail, ask a good brand for a dealer near you 21.36.45 # lol, im playing pokemon gold on my ipod video :) 21.37.01 # pikapika chuuuuuu 21.37.21 # idk the buttons tho :S 21.37.22 # yeah now you can brag to your dorky friends lol 21.37.41 # ummm.... ok? 21.37.43 # Slasheri: There seems to be a bug in tagcache relating to genres. I think that it's possible that either the numeric genre tag OR the genre_string to be set from the tags. So when a file only has a numerical genre, the genre_string is empty, so tagcache is categorising that track as "Unknown". 21.38.19 # I noticed this yesterday when I first tried tagcache with some mp3/id3v2 files, but a few others have mentioned it on the forums. 21.38.22 Join fergie [0] (n=fergie@ip-81-11-243-93.dsl.scarlet.be) 21.38.25 # odoyletul: Please stop attacking people who are trying to help you 21.38.43 # Even if they happen to own hardware that you despise. 21.39.22 # agh, i can't use up down left and right lmao.... 21.39.56 # this is quite funny, i wasn't expecting to be able to play game boy games on my ipod :) 21.40.33 # how well do the controls work 21.40.54 # which button is a b etc 21.40.56 # not well cause i can't figure out how to use directions. but A and B work fine, so far 21.41.13 # i went into the menu and pressed buttons and ended up with play as A, and menu as B 21.41.57 # all keys aren't bound on ipods in rockboy yet 21.42.01 # don't you hist use the directional pad on the side of the buttons 21.42.30 # i have an ipod, remember? lol 21.42.49 # well i have an archos jukebox 21.42.56 # ipods have the scroll wheel, and the 5 buttons :S 21.43.02 # ah.. the fun of multi-platform software ;) 21.43.10 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 21.43.11 # lol yea 21.43.24 # especially when the platforms have completely different button setups 21.43.29 # Yep, 18 targets now.... 21.43.29 # odoyletul: ther archoses can't really play gameboy games very well. The screen is much too small, and the cpu is much too slow 21.43.50 # hehe 21.43.59 # Is rockboy even included for archos? 21.44.07 # Yes, I think so. 21.44.18 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 21.44.29 # what is "iriverify" ? 21.44.44 # converts rockbox playlists to iriver format. 21.44.47 # i dont really care about that i am just using it as a case for one of my 2.5 hard drives 21.45.03 # ah, i found the plugins sections of the wiki. how useful :) 21.45.10 Nick scf is now known as unexterminatable (i=scf@r4.softwarium.net) 21.45.16 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 21.45.19 # hells yeah 60gb of mp3s 21.45.24 # you could always play asteroids...I mean spacerocks! 21.45.25 # I wonder why iriverify is included on anything but irivers 21.45.35 # So - sorry to idle so long - do the peak bars eat up a lot of CPU? 21.45.36 # * linuxstb wonders the same thing and goes to fix it... 21.45.47 # jay-k: yep 21.45.58 # i turned them off and everything works smoothly, 99% of the time 21.46.12 # ok - that would explain why I started getting skipping with EQ on and peak on some ogg files 21.46.21 # oh BTW i am able to play pokemon on it 21.46.34 # EQ is a waste of batteries, IMO 21.46.56 # odoyletul: really? I would've thought it wasn't playable 21.47.23 # the main problem with the rockboy on archos is you have to make sure it is 1mb or under 21.47.41 # each rom is 1mb or under 21.47.42 # there is a GB game that is actually playable on tha Archos'? 21.48.16 # ah great. from snake: "Game Paused, [Off] to quit" - what is the button combo for [Off]? 21.48.43 # menu+select or something like that, iirc 21.48.48 Quit kkurbjun ("Leaving") 21.48.54 # nevermind, i froze it anyway 21.48.55 # *restarts* 21.49.18 # It is menu+select, by the way 21.49.29 # Just checked 21.49.37 Quit tboy ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.49.38 Nick Kyomi|off is now known as Kyomi (n=a@ip-152010169023.student.appstate.edu) 21.49.43 # Alright.. I have a question on Doom 21.49.51 # How can you play other wad files? 21.49.55 # Yeah. I don't usually use it EQ - even on the stock iaudio firmware. 21.50.43 Quit _Lucretia_ (Remote closed the connection) 21.50.44 # I notice the Iaudio firmware peak bars slow WAY down when processing high quality oggs. 21.51.13 # the "cube" plugin is pretty awesome - it's openGL right? 21.51.27 # Anyone? 21.51.35 # Ricky28269: not at all 21.51.51 # Homebrew 3d code 21.51.52 # Ricky28269: er, no dap has a 3d card 21.51.57 Quit Mikachu ("brb") 21.52.01 # ah, weird. 21.52.08 # software 3d engine test then 21.52.13 # ahah. That would be hot. GLPod. ;-) 21.52.22 # jay-k: That's not surprising. High quality vorbis files require a lot of CPU, and so does the peakmeter. 21.53.00 # Kyomi: you need to put them in games/doom .. don't know what to do if you've already done that 21.53.00 Join IcyStorM [0] (n=aknemyr@h209n4c1o1043.bredband.skanova.com) 21.53.05 # Yeah 21.53.06 # Yeah. I did some vorbis coding on a 90Mhz arm. it dropped below realtime at about 212kbps, doing nothing but playback. 21.53.13 # Where have the CVS builds gone? 21.53.15 # (no status display at all) 21.53.17 # I tried that Add-on menu but it says nothing 21.53.27 # Base game is all it says in GAME 21.53.41 # IcyStorM: have they gone anywhere? 21.53.49 # yeah 21.53.52 # Kyomi: no idea then 21.53.54 Quit bluey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.53.55 # i wish rockdoom worked on ipod :( 21.53.59 # look here 21.54.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 21.54.06 # gz source 21.54.07 # 6.44MB 21.54.07 # bz2 source 21.54.07 DBUG Enqueued KICK IcyStorM 21.54.07 # 5.15MB 21.54.12 # Ah, hah 21.54.22 # Probably because it's building 21.54.24 # nothing else is there 21.54.25 # somehow 21.55.13 Part arkascha ("Konversation terminated!") 21.55.35 # Now - for a nice break from the 'hey how do I' and 'where are my batteries' - 21.55.54 # Can I just tell you guys that the interface for rockbox is Fan-F@#%ing-Tastic? 21.55.58 # anyone know why on a debian sid box 'cvs -q diff -ub > output.patch' produces a file with DOS linebreaks? 21.55.59 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/x-f45e92f3522e6165) 21.56.20 Join tboy [0] (n=510f339b@labb.contactor.se) 21.56.23 Quit tboy (Remote closed the connection) 21.56.24 # Increasing speed of menu scroll the longer you hold the scroll button - Who'da thought! 21.56.31 # obo: because the original has DOS linebreaks? 21.57.11 # If not, I've no idea 21.57.13 # webguest03: nope - normal checkout of rockbox 21.57.19 # jay-k: ?? 21.57.42 # obo: Are you sure? There have been some Rockbox files with CRLF lineendings 21.57.52 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.58.10 # obo: Which files are you looking at? 21.58.27 # oh... I was just scrolling through my music collection, trying to find the track that was skipping earlier - and I held the joystick-down, and the scroll through the artists accelerated as I held it. So nice. 21.58.37 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.58.37 # * Ricky28269 is mezmerized by the plasma plugin 21.58.39 # playback.c, settings.[c|h], settings_menu.c and english.lang 21.58.45 # ooo, pretty colors... 21.59.20 # obo: Right those shouldn't be crlf 21.59.32 # argh... I wanna play different wad's :( 21.59.53 # Is there a way to increase the dir browser cache? 22.00.09 # Increase it? What do you mean? 22.00.21 # It already caches every file. 22.00.34 # Or do you mean the "max files in dir" thing? 22.00.45 Part IcyStorM 22.00.49 # If so, menu > general settings > system > limit > max files in dir 22.01.53 # I mean beyond 400 22.02.08 # I have like 1700 wad files in the doom dir 22.02.45 # Sure, go to that menu and change it 22.02.50 # requires you to reboot afterwards 22.03.03 # webguest03:... 22.03.09 # It wont go past 400 22.03.17 # Which is why I said beyond 400 :P 22.03.18 # teh fukc?! 22.03.29 # Can't see why it shouldn't.. anyone? 22.03.49 # Sure you're pressing the right buttons? 22.04.05 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 22.05.00 # lmao @ the snow plugin 22.06.05 # ehat's the difference between shuffle in the repeat mode tag and the shuffle in the playlis/song info tag (%ps) 22.06.09 # what's* 22.06.11 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 22.06.50 # afruff23: Shuffle in the repeat mode means that when the playlist has been finished, it'll be reshuffled and played again 22.07.02 # webguest03: I pressed every button I could 22.07.12 # It wouldn't go past 400 22.07.24 # afruff23: The other shuffle just means that songs aren't bein played in directory order 22.07.43 # Alright 22.07.45 # Problem\ 22.07.48 # Kyomi: no idea 22.07.59 # so the shuffle for repeat mode is usually not in a manufacturer's firmware, right? 22.08.09 # Everytime I plug in the usb cable and take it out... it resets my backlight time to like.. 2 seconds 22.08.13 # Kyomi: do you mean the option wouldn't change, or the option would be high but the limit would still be 400? 22.08.25 # Ummm.. 22.08.30 # Theres a number you can adjust 22.08.33 # afruff23: Probably correct 22.08.34 # It wont go past 400 22.08.47 # You can lower it 22.08.54 # But it just wont go by 400 22.09.24 # And for the love of god 22.09.29 # Fix that backlight error :P 22.09.34 # It's really annoying at 2 sec 22.09.50 # lol 22.10.10 # Hmmm 22.10.24 # I think rockdoom should be in the "open with" area 22.10.35 # So just select a wad... say open with rockdoom 22.10.40 # And it'll load the wad :) 22.11.32 # And I REALLY hope that running and strafing are in the next release 22.11.38 # So I can get past level 2 22.11.39 # Someone on the ML having problems with Gentoo.. what else is new? 22.11.54 # I mean.. it's awesome to be able to play the game 22.12.14 # But since you can't run... you can't make it into the lil castle thingy in the second level to get the keycard 22.12.24 # Unless theres a key combination I'm missing somewhere 22.17.00 # i agree with the doom open-with idea, that would be good cause it might fix the ipod version as well 22.17.37 # when displaying images in the WPS, what is the origin(0,)? is it the topright, topleft, bottomright, bottomleft? 22.17.51 # (0,0)* 22.18.04 # origin-(0,0) 22.18.20 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-34-109.kotinet.com) 22.18.44 # im guessing top-left, that's pretty much a standard for pixel coords 22.18.56 # correct 22.19.14 # and when you put the coordinates for an image, you're giving the coordinates for the top left f the image 22.19.15 # right? 22.19.37 # Should be.. why not try it out? 22.19.46 # so - if you set anti-skip to 10 minutes, does it actually load up the next song too, or is it 'up to 10 minutes of the file currently playing' ? 22.19.50 # I don't know how to compile 22.19.54 # the uisimulator 22.20.21 # the precompiled one doesn't have it for the X5 22.20.28 # you could try it out on target 22.20.39 # that would be such a hassle 22.20.43 # There's a precompiled sim? 22.20.46 # Forgive me - if this is documented somewhere, I'll go pester the web server instead of you all. ;-) 22.20.48 # yeah 22.20.54 # Where? 22.21.01 # on the uisimulator page 22.21.08 # but it's from february 22.21.18 # so no X5 support 22.21.28 # ah, and it'll be the w32 sim too 22.21.43 # ugh, i dont understand the whole playlist thing :S 22.22.04 # yea, I use windows 22.22.37 # Well, the old w32 sim, not the new sdl sim compiled for Windows 22.22.39 # could somebody compile the uisimulator for me? 22.22.44 # and include x5 support? 22.23.10 # you can use the vmware image 22.23.34 # I don't know what you mean by that 22.24.21 # hang on 22.24.34 # it emulates linux 22.24.41 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 22.24.47 # Would make more sense to use cygwin to compile a windows sim 22.24.56 # you can run the sim in vmware :) 22.25.07 # but I still ahve to compile 22.25.09 # don't I 22.25.11 # yes 22.25.22 # I don't know how 22.25.28 # that guy managed to compile a windows sim in cygwin earlier 22.25.34 # that's why instructions are written 22.26.27 # Well, using cygwin would let the simulator run natively, which is probably preferable 22.27.30 # But yeah, it'd involve compiling either way 22.27.53 # I have little experience compiling 22.27.56 # i don't know if typing make is all that hard 22.27.57 # could somebody send me the files precopiled for the uisimulator on windows 22.28.10 # i just think the chances of someone having compiled a w32 sim is pretty low 22.28.27 # why? because everyoe uses linux? 22.28.31 # I don't have one, and can't make one. 22.28.46 # I do, at least. 22.29.21 Nick Zzzcf is now known as scf (n=scf@141-113-207-82.ip.ukrtel.net) 22.29.37 # are you talking about a windows emulator for linux, or a linux emulator for windows? 22.29.50 # 2nd one 22.30.09 # maybe you should try a live cd? 22.30.12 # well, you could run the vmware image in linux as well :) 22.30.25 # live cd??? 22.30.40 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) 22.30.43 # a cd that boots instead of windows, and doesn't modify the hard drive at all (unless you want it to) 22.30.51 # i believe knoppix is a popular live cd 22.31.01 # Well, not modifying the harddrive is a bitch if you want to build a crosscompiler 22.31.02 # that's now what I want 22.31.06 # I only need to use it once 22.31.15 # for what? 22.31.21 # I doubt any current live-cd has crosscompilers for m68k, arm and sh 22.31.22 # building the uisimulator 22.31.41 # pclinuxos is a live cd that comes loaded with all sorts of programs, it probably has compilers 22.32.04 Join maeck_ [0] (n=chatzill@206.208.224.161) 22.32.14 # What problem would it solve? 22.32.28 # I just need to compile uisimulator 22.32.32 # I don't need linux 22.32.39 # So install cygwin 22.32.46 # I tried ti before 22.32.46 # i wonder if there is such thing as LINE 22.32.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 22.32.53 # it hangs 22.32.57 # on the downlaod 22.32.57 # Hangs? 22.33.02 # oh, use another mirror 22.33.07 # I did 22.33.08 # some of them are bad 22.33.08 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 22.33.11 # I used 2 different oens 22.33.14 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-44-59.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.33.21 # it hanged in the middle 22.33.46 # :-/ try again with a third mirror 22.33.57 Quit tianjing (Remote closed the connection) 22.34.07 # lol 22.34.34 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 22.34.42 # Or maybe your connection is broken 22.34.45 # I've always heard of linux people not being able to use certain thigns without emulators 22.34.47 Quit RedBreva ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.1/2006011112]") 22.34.53 # LINE appears to exist but have no files, as if someone said "i want to make a program that runs linux programs on windows" and then gave up 22.34.53 # but now the windos people are left out 22.35.37 # oh, maybe it does have files... 22.35.39 # Ricky28269: don't tell, it's on sourceforge? 22.35.50 # yeh, sf.net/projects/line 22.36.03 # but it does appear to have files - i made an assumption before the page was finished loading 22.36.21 # SF is full of abandoned projects promising to revolutionise the world - with no files or anything 22.36.29 # Hmmm 22.36.35 # SF does have some good projects tho 22.36.44 # The new experimental build says its in-sync with the mar 31 one 22.36.46 # line actually worked for some apps 22.36.55 # But when I boot it up it still says its the mar 30 one 22.37.04 # but does line work as well as wine? :) 22.37.24 # * ender` needs to try CoLinux 22.37.42 # Argh... he packaged the same one 22.37.57 # * petur gave up on colinux for the moment 22.38.47 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 22.39.26 # i'm here for the weekend everyone! 22.39.36 # yay! 22.39.45 # * Ricky28269 doesn't know you. 22.39.50 # * Ricky28269 is new tho 22.39.50 # for usign CVS it says I ened to have CVS isntalled 22.39.57 # what is that? 22.40.09 # using need* 22.40.19 # installed* 22.40.22 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 22.40.39 # why do i need a program to downlaod stuff? 22.40.44 # download* 22.40.48 # Hmmm 22.40.51 # because it's CVS... 22.40.58 # you need to cvs to the cvs cvs server to obtain the new copy of the cvs souce, then compile, then cvs to the newer cvs server that supports only the version you just compiled, then you have to compile the source from the new server, which will in turn allow you to use cvs with any server. 22.41.23 # it's all clear now 22.41.25 # ... 22.41.27 # yes. 22.41.29 # clear as mud 22.41.35 # Does someone have a mar 31 experimental build 22.41.45 # i do i do@ 22.41.47 # ! 22.41.48 # The one on audiostuff was uploaded today 22.41.51 # or you could download: http://www.wincvs.org/ 22.41.52 # but i deleted the zip file. 22.41.52 # But 22.42.05 # When I boot it up it still says it's yesterdays version 22.42.09 # i do have the Pokemon Gold zip file tho 22.42.39 # double-you tee eff? 22.42.47 # god, it's so complicated to preview a WPS! 22.43.06 Join kkurbjun [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 22.43.31 # doh! the doom guy! 22.43.34 # omg 22.43.38 # Doom guy! 22.43.38 # hehe 22.43.41 # Help me :D 22.43.46 # oh emm gee 22.44.04 # I wanna play different WADs because I heard I could... how do I load those? 22.44.20 # And.. is there a run option somewhere so I can make it past level 2? 22.44.20 # i wanna play doom, period. on an ipod 5g. 22.44.39 # Ricky28269: You wont be able to get past lvl 2 atm 22.44.47 # that's ok with me :) 22.44.48 # It's still fun though :) 22.44.56 # it complains about a base wad 22.45.00 Quit cismo_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.45.21 # Kyomi, what player are you using? 22.45.42 # iRiver H320 22.45.55 # The game loads fine 22.45.57 # toggle the hold switch, that enables run 22.46.01 # lmao 22.46.03 # dur 22.46.11 # kkurbjun: What about strafe? 22.46.11 # could someone make a nobb guide to uisimulator? the current one is way too complciated for people trying to make a WPS, but have no experience 22.46.21 # kkurbjun, so doom doesn't work on ipod 5g right? 22.46.35 # and to play other wads put them in the addon directory under doom 22.46.39 Join Matze [0] (i=Miranda@p5484FFFB.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.46.43 # Ohh 22.46.43 # Ricky28269, no 22.46.47 # There wasn't one 22.46.58 # *has like.. 1700 wads she wants to try* 22.47.02 # then you can select other wads in the startup menu 22.47.15 # Am I SOL about strafing though? 22.47.31 # I think that holding on and using the direction keys will strafe in the cvs 22.47.32 # afruff23: what do you mean? The simulator is just the same as the regular firmware 22.47.44 # hmmm 22.47.45 # interesting 22.48.00 # amiconn, are you around? 22.48.07 # the uisimulator requires compiling 22.48.14 Quit maeck (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.48.16 # soemthing a nobb like me isn't skilled at 22.48.17 # * Kyomi demands rockdoom come with a manual 22.48.17 # afruff23: Yes. So get too it! ;) 22.48.27 # afruff23: There are instructions. Follow them. 22.48.32 # * Kyomi also demands that the music work... sooner or later 22.48.33 # * Ricky28269 demands rockdoom work on ipod 5g :S 22.48.37 # it says I need cvs 22.48.45 # but there are no isntructions on using cvs 22.48.53 # Kyomi, why don't you addon to the wiki page 22.49.01 # afruff23: you need the cygwin environment as I said 22.49.04 # afruff23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 22.49.09 # Where at? 22.49.26 # yes, but before that, it says I need to downlaod stuff using CVS 22.49.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 22.49.43 # ok folks - gotta pretend I have a job. thanks for the assistance earlier. Catch you another time! 22.49.46 # where would i download a regular PC version of doom? 22.49.48 # afruff23: no it doesn't 22.49.49 Quit TCK (Connection timed out) 22.50.08 # so I could just download withou cvs right 22.50.15 # just click on the repository 22.50.27 # afruff23: you just do what that page tells you.. 22.51.02 Quit jay-k ("I owe.. I owe.. it's off to work I go...") 22.51.09 # afruff23: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinInstallWithScreenShots might be even easier to follow 22.51.11 # I do and it tells me to first get stuff from cvs 22.51.20 # afruff23: where? 22.51.26 # on the uisimulator page 22.51.38 # * Ricky28269 has got to go now, but it's been fun. bye everyone! 22.51.40 Part Ricky28269 22.51.42 # Why are you on the uisimulator page? 22.51.52 # Kyomi, also, there is another feature where you can play other demos (.lmp format) if they are placed in doom/Demos 22.51.52 # because I want to sue the uisimulator... 22.51.55 # use* 22.52.07 # afruff23: You *need* a working cygwin installation first 22.53.34 # Ohh 22.53.38 # Another question for you 22.54.10 # Has anyone been getting this problem: You plug in the usb cable and it works fine.. but the backlight time is reset to 2 seconds 22.54.17 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 22.54.42 # Even after you take it out it still stays at 2 sec 22.56.14 Quit afruff23 ("Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...") 23.01.21 Quit Genre9mp3 () 23.04.08 Quit miner49er ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 23.04.09 # Hmmm 23.04.36 # kkurbjun: Whats the use of the Base Game option? 23.04.45 # Select DoomI/II? 23.05.11 # Kyomi, you can run doom1 shareware, registered, retail, doom2, tnt, or plutonia 23.05.22 # those are the official id releases 23.05.28 # o.O 23.05.36 # I never even heard of tnt or plutonia 23.05.46 # I guess it also has support for french doom, but none of the language strings are in the game 23.05.56 # Alright 23.06.00 # With the addon folder 23.06.10 # Is it just named "addon" inside the doom folder? 23.06.14 Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@82-32-84-226.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.06.17 # they were just commercial addons with id's backing 23.06.17 # Because there wasn't one there when I go this 23.06.26 # yes, just Addon 23.06.27 # got* 23.06.34 # or addons... one second 23.06.43 # nope, addons 23.06.55 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d001065.adsl.hansenet.de) 23.07.58 Quit miner49er (Remote closed the connection) 23.09.29 # k 23.09.40 # gonna test it now :) 23.10.05 Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@82-32-84-226.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.11.19 # Kyomi, one last thing is the addons and demo's only will show 10 in the list right now. 23.12.27 # only 10 at a time or only 10 total? 23.12.58 # Err... I think I overwhelmed it 23.13.13 # It just says Select Addon: 3 23.13.19 # And it wont lemme change it 23.13.49 Quit tianjing (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.13.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.14.16 Join webguest35 [0] (n=8de08f43@labb.contactor.se) 23.14.18 # Kyomi, try it with just 10 in there, the addon code still needs work 23.14.30 Quit webguest35 (Client Quit) 23.14.32 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 23.14.35 # XD 23.14.38 # I crashed it 23.14.47 # With like the 6 million wads I have 23.20.04 # Alright.. lets try it with 10 23.20.48 # I'm guessing it only displays a number just.. because it's like.. technically beta? 23.22.39 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.27.02 # Hmmm 23.27.08 # It didn't didn't load it 23.27.14 # It just loaded regular doom 2 23.27.34 Quit miner49er ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 23.28.22 # And the hold button.. just holds him in place 23.28.49 # :( 23.29.36 Join miner49er [0] (n=miner49e@82-32-84-226.cable.ubr01.chap.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.30.15 Quit odoyletul () 23.30.58 # nvm 23.31.03 # Figured out the run 23.31.10 # But the add-on thing still isn't working :( 23.31.30 # And is there a way to make the left and right strafe without having to press the play button? 23.35.22 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@107.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 23.39.51 Quit Arrogant (Client Quit) 23.39.55 Join tianjing [0] (n=mat@jullay.net) 23.40.46 # Awwww 23.40.55 # It's not regular Doom 2 anymore :( 23.41.10 # There isn't a Time: something Par: something 23.41.23 # haha 23.41.24 # Wait 23.41.33 # No.. it did load the map.. just... on level 2 23.46.09 Quit Vertigo_t (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.46.47 # brb 23.48.18 Quit Matze ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 23.50.27 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 23.50.37 # must be a new record for talking to yourself :D 23.51.21 Join Vertigo_t [0] (n=vertah@cor7-ppp913.bur.dsl.connect.net.au) 23.52.45 # !monolog 23.52.53 # lots of bots track that 23.53.21 # it 'll sure make it into the stats :) 23.54.44 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.55.35 Quit ender` (" It's tough to make predictions, especially about the future.") 23.56.34 Quit joshn_454 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.58.04 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 23.58.18 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Client Quit) 23.58.37 Quit stripwax (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out))