--- Log for 10.04.106  Server: clarke.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.00 Join    JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au)
00.00.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not *yet*
00.00.45 #       <goffa_> yeah.. they're working on it
00.00.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But it seems progress has been made in that direction, so for once I think hope is warranted. :)
00.01.02 #       <Apostle^> wouldn't you guys have to pay
00.01.05 #       <Apostle^> for .wma format thoug
00.01.08 #       <Apostle^> doesn
00.01.11 #       <Apostle^> t microsoft own it
00.01.21 #       <goffa_> no... they are working on their own code
00.01.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's an open source implementation that's being adapted.
00.01.37 #       <Apostle^> .wma blows anyway
00.01.38 #       <Apostle^> :-P
00.01.41 #       <goffa_> yep
00.01.42 #       <Apostle^> either FLAC or mp3 for me
00.01.51 #       <Mikachu> why not flac and ogg?
00.01.52 #       <goffa_> i'd rather have musepack than wma any day
00.02.16 #       <goffa_> and yeah.. i seem to prefer ogg these days.. well ogg and flac
00.02.27 #       <muesli__> goffa i c u didnt turn to stone ;)
00.02.41 #       <goffa_> ha ha ha... not yet
00.02.51 #       <Apostle^> i dont like ogg
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00.03.01 #       <goffa_> when did you last try it?
00.03.18 #       <Apostle^> awhile ago
00.03.20 #       <Apostle^> sounds weird to me
00.03.30 #       <goffa_> ah.. its improved recently
00.03.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, tell me tell me tell me you did not transcode from MP3 to OGG
00.03.42 #       <goffa_> and q6-7 sounds pretty good to me
00.03.44 #       <Mikachu> um, has it changed at all in the last couple of years?
00.03.45 #       <dpassen1> I've still never found a reason to leave the universality of MP3
00.03.46 #       <linuxmatt> k well i'm gonna go so byebye
00.03.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I've heard so many people say that ogg sounds funny, and then I hear they transcoded.
00.04.01 #       <goffa_> EW cardinal sin.. .transcoding lossy
00.04.05 #       <muesli__> i dont like ogg too
00.04.08 Quit    linuxmatt ("Easy as 3.14159265358979323846...")
00.04.10 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: i transcode 192kbps mp3 to 100kbps ogg
00.04.15 #       * Mikachu watches Paul_The_Nerd fall over and die
00.04.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dpassen1: Some of us avoid MP3 simply because... *dies*
00.04.34 #       * Paul_The_Nerd mutters something in his last moments about being philosophically opposed to software patents.
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00.04.59 #       <dpassen1> Understood, but its such a standard, and LAME does high quality at ~200kbps and Gapless
00.05.09 #       <Apostle^> rockbox is worth using just so you can drag/drop music to the ipod
00.05.13 #       <Mikachu> mp3 is an algorithm patent though
00.05.13 #       <dpassen1> I like being able to send a friend a song
00.05.14 #       <goffa_> what gives me best quality is taking 128 mp3.. transcoding to vqf, then to flac... then to wav
00.05.23 #       <dpassen1> vqf, nice
00.05.23 #       <goffa_> takes a while longer.. but the file size is worth it 
00.05.26 #       <goffa_> :P
00.05.27 #       <Apostle^> vqf
00.05.29 #       <Apostle^> never heard of it
00.05.34 #       <Mikachu> very queer format
00.05.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: But that's basically what software patents are, are patents on algorithms, which in the end are math.
00.05.59 #       <goffa_> 96 was the highest bitrate it allowed
00.05.59 #       <goffa_> well when i last followed it
00.06.00 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: not like the amazon one click thing and similar retarded things
00.06.05 #       <goffa_> and it was really good for 96... but it was still 96
00.06.20 #       <borges|afk_> is it possible to find out what font is loaded at the moment?
00.06.25 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: but i think i do agree with you :)
00.06.28 #       <dpassen1> I remember hearing that WMA at a time was bsed on VQF
00.06.31 #       <muesli__> btw what was the reason to break playback so badly?
00.06.34 #       <dpassen1> *based
00.06.37 Nick    borges|afk_ is now known as borges_ (n=chatzill@85.178.50.203)
00.06.43 #       <Mikachu> muesli__: for fun
00.06.54 #       <muesli__> of course ;)
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00.06.58 #       <Mikachu> muesli__: the end result should be better hopefully
00.06.58 #       <muesli__> what else..
00.06.59 #       <goffa_> no... wma wasn't based on vqf
00.07.10 #       <Mikachu> muesli__: the code was a bit crazy i hear
00.07.13 #       <grout58> hey how do i install rockbox on my ipod video?
00.07.20 #       <goffa_> competed directly with wma for a while
00.07.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> grout58: You read the instructions.
00.07.39 #       <muesli__> Paul_The_Nerd teacher style ;) nice
00.07.42 #       <grout58> i did but the automatic installer isnt working
00.07.42 #       <goffa_> because microsoft claimed that 96k wma was cd quality to most listeners
00.07.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> grout58: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
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00.08.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> grout58: The automatic installer is not ours. Click the link, and read the instructions.
00.08.09 #       <goffa_> and i guess to a group of untrained ears in a lab .. a case could be made
00.08.21 #       <harbel> Can anyone help me with patching rockbox? I searched but couldn't find anything
00.08.23 #       <dpassen1> CD-quality is hard enough a concept to define
00.08.35 #       <goffa_> flac=cd quality 
00.08.41 #       <Mikachu> if you have an ogg file in 96khz, is that better than cd quality?
00.08.42 #       <goffa_> lossless is cd quality
00.08.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> harbel: Did you try http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches ?
00.08.50 #       <grout58> isnt rockbox linux?
00.08.53 #       <dpassen1> Well, when a lossy codec says achieves CD quality, I assume they mean transparency
00.08.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> grout58: No. It's not.
00.09.05 #       <goffa_> at least thats my opinion if they are trying to sell it
00.09.19 #       <goffa_> i guess thats why i'm so anti itunes, etc
00.09.29 #       <goffa_> because it doesn't sound good enough to me
00.09.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> goffa_: Have you seen Mindawn?
00.09.46 #       <goffa_> no
00.10.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They sell ogg and flac
00.10.10 #       <goffa_> oh... cool
00.10.19 #       <goffa_> do they have a big catalog?
00.10.26 #       <harbel> Paul_The_Nerd: I don't really understand the instructions on the page very well
00.10.26 #       <goffa_> and are the prices reasonable?
00.10.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's fairly large, but not necessarily stuff you've heard of
00.10.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If I recall it's 99 cents for ogg, and 1.24 for flac
00.10.58 #       <goffa_> yeah
00.11.04 #       <borges_> uhm, can anyone give me a hint how i could find out the name of the font i have loaded at the moment?
00.11.04 #       <goffa_> i've just been hitting cd bargain bins
00.11.07 #       <goffa_> that's still cheaper
00.11.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> harbel: Well, let's go from the start. Have you set up a development environment and successfully attempted to compile rockbox?
00.11.18 #       <goffa_> like gemm.com (if you can find a deal)... yourmusic.com
00.11.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> goffa_: That is *absolutely* my preferred method. I've yet to purchase music online, but I support mindawn just because of their format choices and their DRM-free philosophy
00.11.40 #       <Mikachu> borges_: write a .cfg and open it in the text viewer
00.12.15 #       <goffa_> yeah... i support that too Paul_The_Nerd 
00.12.33 #       <goffa_> things are going that way... i just don't want to see cds die without a comparable replacement
00.13.35 #       <dpassen1> As in a physical medium, or the quality
00.13.42 #       <goffa_> quality
00.13.54 #       <goffa_> flac can acutally be better than cd
00.14.12 Quit    ender` (" If enough data is collected, anything may be proven by statistical methods.")
00.14.22 #       <dpassen1> as in 24-bit, 96Khz?
00.14.27 #       <goffa_> yeah
00.15.03 #       <dpassen1> multichannel, as well 
00.15.07 #       <goffa_> yep
00.15.30 #       <Mikachu> how do you rate a multichannel 24-bit 96KHz ogg file?
00.15.35 #       <harbel> Paul_The_Nerd: Well I'm running windows with cygwin, and I've attempted compiling but it won't
00.15.37 #       <dpassen1> I always favored WavPack for lossless
00.15.38 #       <Mikachu> less or more than cd quality?
00.15.54 #       <dpassen1> Mikachu: If it was ripped from a CD, less
00.16.15 #       <goffa_> wavpack is good too.. just that musicpd doesn't sepport it
00.16.16 #       <Mikachu> compressed from a multichannel 24-bit 96KHz source obviously
00.16.34 #       <Mikachu> omg i zoomed this picture 100x look at the quality
00.16.36 #       <borges_> Mikachu: that doesn't reveal me the name... or does it?
00.16.37 #       <goffa_> i have to fire up xmms to listen to my .wv files
00.17.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> harbel: "it won't" what? Also, have you tried the VMWare Development environment? Either way, you need to be able to compile before you can use patches.
00.17.07 #       <dpassen1> I like the idea of the hybrid mode, decent sized files on a portable, lossless with correction on laptop
00.17.39 #       <goffa_> yeah
00.17.49 #       <goffa_> that is nice
00.18.01 #       <goffa_> optimfrog was planning on that too
00.18.24 #       <dpassen1> Yeah, WavPack also happens to run rather well on the iRiver-H1x0s
00.18.40 #       <goffa_> hmm... $9/album flac on that minidawn.. thats almost reasonable
00.19.06 #       <goffa_> yeah... havent tried on my iaudio but i presume the same
00.19.30 #       <dpassen1> The creator of WavPack also seems to be a rather nice guy, helped with Rockbox, posts on Hydrogenaudio, etc.
00.19.44 #       <goffa_> cool
00.20.21 #       <harbel> Paul_The_Nerd: It won't compile, and nope, I haven't
00.20.27 #       <dpassen1> Not that that should influence it
00.21.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> harbel: The VMWare environment compiles faster, and requires less effort to set up, though it takes up more disk space. I can't help with your cygwin problem without more information, if you still want to try that, but I strongly suggest using vmware
00.21.09 #       <goffa_> no.. but nice trivia
00.25.10 #       <dpassen1> Whatever gives you the warm fuzzy feeling of placebo, eh?
00.25.22 #       <goffa_> he he he.. yup
00.26.50 #       <goffa_> but the lossy/less concept is really apealing
00.26.50 #       <goffa_> just from a musicpd standpoint it sucks :)
00.26.50 #       <goffa_> but that's not wavpack's fault
00.26.50 DBUG    Enqueued KICK goffa_
00.26.50 #       <goffa_> that x player doesn't support it
00.27.01 #       <goffa_> we'd all be on mp3 if that was the case
00.27.19 #       <goffa_> or itunes
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00.27.35 #       <Galois> 96k ogg beat out 96k wma by a metric mile in the most recent HA test
00.27.50 #       <goffa_> i'd believe that... 
00.27.52 #       <Galois> in fack, 96k ogg beat 128k mp3 for pop music
00.27.56 #       <Galois> fact
00.28.48 #       <goffa_> i'd believe that too
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00.30.34 #       <goffa_> i had a friend transcode 64k vqf to 96k wma ...  now that was pain
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00.34.45 #       <harbel> Paul_The_Nerd: How would I set up a VMware environment?
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00.35.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> harbel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform
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00.39.30 #       * petur goes to his closet and puts on his RTFM t-shirt
00.39.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
00.40.57 #       <petur> http://www.cashncarrion.co.uk/products/16099/685/
00.41.36 #       <petur> and yes, I have one :D
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00.45.29 #       <grout58> how do i get doom 2 for rockbox?
00.47.29 #       <ashridah> grout58: well, the cvs/dailies ship with doom's plugin. you'll need the rockdoom.wad file from the wiki, and doom2.wad
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00.52.18 #       <grout58> ashridah ok i got the wads now where do i put them?
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00.53.12 #       <ashridah> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
00.53.48 #       <grout58> so just create a dir in the ipods root /games/doom/
00.53.52 #       <grout58> and put the wads there?
00.54.12 #       <ashridah> you could always try :)
00.55.02 #       <goffa_> worst thing that could happen is that your player may spontaneously combust... resulting in a chain reaction that causes your death
00.55.09 #       <goffa_> but that's rare :)
00.55.19 #       <grout58> lol
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00.56.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Happened to me once.
00.56.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I am now the smallest minority in Rockbox Users: Zombie.
00.57.42 #       <petur> how's your pc now - got it fixed?
00.58.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Laptop's out for warranty repairs still. Supposed to get it back on the 15th.
00.58.46 #       <goffa_> what happened to it?
00.58.58 #       <petur> Bagder: the tracker isn't responding anymore
00.59.27 #       <petur> ah it's back again
00.59.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> goffa_: The hinges were cracked causing the screen to flicker occasionally (factory recall for that) but that was minor. The AC adapter tip melted the plastic around itself attaching itself to the laptop
00.59.54 #       <goffa_> youch
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01.01.09 #       <grout58> is there a list somewhere of other games i can get on rockbox?
01.01.18 #       <sharpe> now i'm going to try... actual text output, instead of a simple lookup table...
01.02.26 #       <sharpe> either it will be correct, flipped diagonally, not show at all, or crash.
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01.02.58 #       * Paul_The_Nerd hopes for "crash"
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01.03.12 #       <sharpe> why hope for a crash?
01.03.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Because that's the most fun?
01.03.36 #       <sharpe> but not the most visually appealing, or satisfying...
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01.04.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well yeah
01.04.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> THAT would be "flipped diagonally"
01.04.07 #       <sharpe> well
01.04.09 #       <sharpe> something works
01.04.53 #       <sharpe> true
01.05.33 #       <Mikachu> grout58: all games are included
01.05.35 #       <grout58> does rockbox enable the ipod to play more video codecs?
01.05.46 #       <midkay> no, fewer.. none.
01.05.46 #       <Mikachu> no
01.06.11 #       <BHSPitLappy> lol, less
01.06.12 #       <grout58> really my ipod cant play video anymore?
01.06.29 #       <midkay> unless you boot to the apple firmware.
01.06.30 #       <Mikachu> no, never again! it is forever disabled
01.06.30 #       <BHSPitLappy> grout58: why?
01.06.41 #       <midkay> BHSPitLappy, maybe, um, he wants to play video? :O
01.06.48 #       <grout58> how do i boot into the apple firmware?
01.06.50 #       <BHSPitLappy> rockbox starts off by burning out the video processor
01.06.56 #       <BHSPitLappy> grout58: reboot and hold MENU
01.07.03 #       <grout58> ah ok
01.07.05 #       <BHSPitLappy> you have to start holding menu at JUST the right time, though
01.07.08 #       <BHSPitLappy> it's very picky
01.07.11 #       <sharpe> it's like a game
01.07.12 #       <midkay> before the apple logo shows up..
01.07.14 #       <BHSPitLappy> yep
01.07.17 #       <sharpe> like the whackamole games
01.07.19 #       <goffa_> lol BHSPitLappy 
01.07.25 #       <BHSPitLappy> it's there for your benefit
01.07.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> grout58: This page could be helpful to you in general: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
01.07.39 #       <BHSPitLappy> how dull would an easily operable bootloader be?
01.07.42 #       <BHSPitLappy> very.
01.07.44 #       <sharpe> duh
01.07.56 #       <sharpe> we have to have at least six levels of complexity for it to be fun
01.09.29 #       <sharpe> for instance, the keypress has to happen on an even second, odd minute, odd millisecond, and on a multiple of 3 millseconds
01.09.52 #       <Mikachu> an even multiple!
01.10.01 #       <goffa_> that way you don't need to program games
01.10.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> He said odd millisecond
01.10.04 #       <goffa_> its already fun
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01.10.11 #       <Mikachu> yes, that's why an odd multiple would be fun
01.10.16 #       <Mikachu> i mean even
01.10.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, a multiple of 6, minus 3
01.10.26 #       <sharpe> essentially.
01.10.39 #       <sharpe> but it also has to happen when it's not a full moon.
01.10.48 #       <sharpe> nor any complete phases
01.11.30 #       <sharpe> heh, i have the correct text output...
01.11.32 #       <sharpe> er
01.11.39 #       <sharpe> placement of supposed characters
01.11.44 #       <sharpe> just not the characters.
01.14.14 #       <linuxstb> Has anyone tested today's libmad patch on an ipod?  Sadly, I can't notice very much (if any) improvement.
01.14.26 #       <midkay> libmad patch?!
01.14.31 #       <midkay> *runs to check*
01.15.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Don't I remember there being talk of how IRAM wasn't as useful on iPod, or is my brain fuzzy again?
01.15.06 #       <midkay> hm, i'll have to try that in a little bit..
01.15.28 #       <Mikachu> either amiconn or preglow said something about moving something to iram didn't help, or even made it worse
01.15.29 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, both preglow and I have found that.
01.15.58 #       <linuxstb> When I was optimising pacbox, I even managed to slow it down by moving some things to iram.
01.16.19 #       <Mikachu> hm, i almost remembered right then :)
01.16.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And that patch accomplishes part of what it's doing by moving things to IRAM.
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01.17.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I would laugh if the move to IRAM caused a performance hit, and the other two things caused a gain, so that the net was almost 0 on ipod.
01.17.12 #       <midkay> haha.
01.17.30 #       <Mikachu> has anyone tried disabling iram completely on ipods then? :)
01.17.34 #       <linuxstb> preglow's been threatening to build a "no IRAM" version of Rockbox for the ipod.  I'm not sure if he has though.
01.17.41 #       <sharpe> ahah, i kind of have something
01.17.49 #       <sharpe> the '@' symbol displays correctly
01.18.00 #       <sharpe> but the space is a reversed 'D'
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01.19.10 #       <sharpe> and all the other characters are partially part of random characers...
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01.20.36 #       <midkay> linuxstb, haha, what could be expected of a no-IRAM rockbox? faster? about the same?
01.21.25 #       <sharpe> ahahah
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01.21.35 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> ooo
01.21.36 #       <sharpe> character video display works
01.21.44 #       <midkay> sharpe, congrats :)
01.21.44 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> hi, anyone here to help?
01.21.45 #       <sharpe> i have each character reveresed
01.21.47 #       <sharpe> :D
01.22.14 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> i just discovered this unique alien technology :P.....are there any bugs with it concerning the i-pod nano 2GB?
01.22.17 #       <sharpe> on accident, of course....
01.22.56 #       <midkay> FA-Tha_Stig, well, yes, there must always be bugs, but everything that should work generally does :)
01.23.20 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> soo in case my nano is havin troubles, is there a way to get the original firmware back?
01.23.21 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> o_O
01.23.35 #       <linuxstb> Ah, disabling IRAM means Doom is too big for the plugin buffer...
01.23.40 #       <midkay> yes, and after installing rockbox you can choose whether to boot to the apple firmware or rockbox..
01.23.49 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> oo, nice :P
01.23.50 #       <Mikachu> linuxstb: not for mine :)
01.23.57 #       <midkay> FA-Tha_Stig, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
01.24.16 #       <linuxstb> Mikachu: You and your tiny lcd...
01.24.36 #       <Mikachu> i'm not sure how the lcd relates to my crazy plugin buffer
01.25.15 #       <Mikachu> i'd be happy to run a timedemo with iram on and off if it's relatively simple to not use iram
01.25.21 #       <linuxstb> Mikachu: Sorry, forgot that...
01.26.03 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: hey, can you give me a refresher course (here or /msg) on what breaks when doing dynamic playlisting?  I seem to have a flee's memory at the moment.
01.26.21 #       <ashridah> flea
01.26.29 #       <lostlogic> whatever :-P
01.26.30 #       <ashridah> flee is to run away :)
01.26.38 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: well, as it turned out, it only breaks if you do Insert Shuffled with an empty playlist, but you can't do that in cvs :)
01.26.41 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> thanks for the link midkay
01.26.47 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: nevertheless, that used to work fine
01.26.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: Did you end up fixing the ones I mentioned?
01.26.56 #       <midkay> FA-Tha_Stig, no problem.. any unanswered questions, feel free to ask.
01.27.08 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: i haven't tried Insert Shuffled with a nonempty playlist though
01.27.14 #       <sharpe> http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_chrvideor.png
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01.27.22 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, refresh me too, since I can't spell, nor remember things at the moment.
01.27.29 #       <sharpe> it looks great. :D
01.27.38 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: i'll try that now
01.27.45 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: I'm pretty sure that 'normal' playlist actions should work fine now...
01.27.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: When you insert or queue a song (next, last, whatever) it also triggers a "Next track"
01.28.01 #       <lostlogic> *tries it*
01.28.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I haven't tried a build since this morning, since I've been out all day. I built about 10 hours ago I think
01.28.19 #       <Mikachu> yeah hm, that seems to work fine
01.28.27 #       <Mikachu> but when i do it on an empty one, all hell breaks loose basically
01.28.34 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: it's probably fixed then, but I'll double check
01.28.39 #       <Mikachu> which i usually want to do
01.28.39 #       <sharpe> heh, anyone care to comment on the video output of the c64 emulator so far? :)
01.28.43 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: can you show me the patch that you use to do that?
01.28.44 #       <Mikachu> because then i don't have to go and Reshuffle it after
01.28.47 #       <Mikachu> hang on
01.28.54 #       <linuxstb> Well, I'm reassured a little.  Disabling IRAM completely and libmad is struggling to keep the PCM buffer full and is on 100% boost.
01.29.15 #       <Mikachu> heh
01.29.37 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, insert next seems to work fine now.
01.30.13 #       <lostlogic> it was because of the same BIG BUG in clear tracks that would zero the currently playing track
01.30.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
01.30.29 #       <Mikachu> heh actually i can't find it
01.30.35 #       <Mikachu> do you know which file has the Insert shuffled stuff?
01.30.52 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: no, I was about to find out if there was still a bug in insert next :-p
01.31.09 #       <Mikachu> as soon as you find it, i can give you a diff :)
01.32.25 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: looks to be playlist.c
01.32.46 #       <sharpe> now try to have the text displayed... not flipped.
01.33.07 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: surprise, it's in onplay.c
01.33.34 #       <Mikachu> http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/4
01.33.49 #       <midkay> sharpe, haha. cool.
01.34.29 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: and what happens when you try to use this feature now?
01.34.52 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: a playlist with weird entries is created and lots of errors pop up while it tries to play them
01.35.08 #       <Mikachu> looks mostly like random data in View Playlist
01.35.33 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: sweet.
01.36.04 #       <lostlogic> I can't figure anything that I've done that would effect that
01.36.43 #       <Mikachu> i still haven't figured out how to clear a playlist properly
01.37.09 #       <sharpe> score!
01.37.29 #       <sharpe> correctly oriented text output
01.38.45 #       <midkay> screen!
01.38.49 #       <midkay> +shot!
01.38.55 #       <sharpe> soon!
01.39.06 #       <sharpe> you say the revered text screen shot didn't you?
01.39.08 #       <midkay> sigh! that sucks! alright fine! :(!
01.39.11 #       <sharpe> reversed
01.39.14 #       <sharpe> saw
01.39.15 #       <sharpe> gah
01.39.20 #       <midkay> yes, that's what i said "cool" to !!!
01.39.26 #       <sharpe> heh
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01.40.55 #       <midkay> but you just didn't listen!
01.40.56 #       <midkay> :(!
01.41.12 #       <sharpe> actually, that'd only apply if i had a text to speech program running
01.41.15 #       <sharpe> i didn't 'see'
01.41.18 #       <sharpe> :)
01.41.20 #       <midkay> haha.
01.43.31 #       <sharpe> http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_chrvideo.png
01.43.52 #       <midkay> ce n'est pas ici!
01.44.39 #       <sharpe> grr.
01.44.41 #       <sharpe> :)
01.44.48 #       <lostlogic> 404?
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01.46.29 #       <sharpe> there, i accidentally renamed the wrong file
01.47.00 #       <lostlogic> sharpe: awesome!
01.47.08 #       <sharpe> :D
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01.47.55 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: sorry, I really don't know the playlist code, and I really don't know how anything I've chanced would have impacted it
01.48.00 #       <Mikachu> okay
01.48.00 #       <sharpe> now, to just have it read the border/character values from ram, and that should work
01.48.13 #       <sharpe> and it won't really be able to display the borders either...
01.48.21 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: i didn't realize it was only the shuffled one the first time i reported it so this is okay
01.48.21 #       <webguest96> newbie asking quick question.... i already have rockbox on my 5g ipod and i was wondering if i can install ipod linux without uninstalling and such
01.48.52 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: :) what's my status with regard to artifacts on track skip?
01.49.06 #       <Mikachu> i think it's pretty good
01.49.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: Since you phrased it as a yes/no question, "Yes"
01.49.54 #       <lostlogic> ooh, found a bug for myself, track skip out of buffer leaves next track data unpopulated.
01.50.16 #       <lostlogic> or... it was just a really weird track.
01.50.32 #       <webguest96> thank you... and is there a special way i need to install IPL or will the way they have on their site do it fine?
01.51.55 #       <lostlogic> webguest96: you can tripple boot using their bootloader v2 I think... but don't hold me to that
01.52.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: You need to create a 3rd partition (fat32 is #2, the one that is the bootloader is #1) in ext2 or ext3 file system, put the iPodLinux root structure/file system there, and put the kernel .bin file in the fat32 partition named linux.bin. Make sure there's an up to date podzilla in the ext2/3 partition, and you're good to go.
01.52.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: You can triple boot with ours too. :)
01.52.21 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: woo
01.52.46 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: it's good you know so much more about our software than me :-\ :-D
01.53.00 #       <Mikachu> i also knew that
01.53.18 #       <lostlogic> *hides in the corner with playback.c and pcmbuf.c*
01.53.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: Hehehe. Well, I don't do much else other than sit here and listen. :) You actually make things work.
01.54.17 #       <lostlogic> alright, so any other regressions been reported in playback that I'm missing?
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01.55.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not that I'm aware of.
01.55.25 #       <sharpe> i feel speshul
01.55.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I should go shout "Playback is working!" in the forums, just to see if anyone replies "No it's not, you dumbass!"
01.55.57 #       <BHSPitLappy> No it's not, you dumbass!
01.56.00 #       <sharpe> :O
01.56.07 #       <sharpe> blasphemer!
01.56.09 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: DO IT! :)  Seriously, I need all the regression reports I can get, and then amiconn and I need to figure out how to make voice more reliable
01.56.15 #       <lostlogic> BHSPitLappy: ?
01.56.26 #       <lostlogic> BHSPitLappy: just making trouble, or have a real bug?
01.56.40 #       <BHSPitLappy> trouble, as always :(
01.56.45 #       <lostlogic> :)
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01.57.10 #       * amiconn now has an emi reduction routine for the iriver remote that works better than the cvs one, and lcd updates are still faster :)
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01.58.13 #       <amiconn> I get 34.5/50fps with ticking reduction (cvs: 24/36.5fps)
01.58.47 #       <amiconn> Just need to implement a hook to frequency changing
01.58.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: Okay, gonna post in a few of the forums then, and see what happens. Since nobody reads General Discussion.
01.59.14 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: You're the best :)
01.59.47 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: damn, dude, you know way too much stuff.
02.00.03 #       <Mikachu> should i whack him boss?
02.03.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: At least on the iPod board, I think they're too busy talking about doom to even notice. *sigh*
02.03.43 #       <Moos> precious amiconn : )
02.04.24 #       <amiconn> Moos: I'll let you test before commit (and probably XavierGr should try it as well)
02.04.44 #       <midkay> amiconn, hey, feel free to get an iPod 5G and, you know.. do some optimizations on that too.. ;)
02.04.58 #       <Moos> no problem, but I'll probably go sleep soonish
02.05.10 #       <amiconn> me too
02.05.39 #       * Moos goes search for his iriver then : )
02.05.49 #       <amiconn> no hurry
02.05.59 #       <amiconn> I won't implement the hook right now
02.06.08 #       <Moos> ok
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02.10.30 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> hey im really confused :'(
02.10.36 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> i dont know which files to download
02.10.37 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> :S
02.10.47 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: any thoughts on making pause and unpause off-thread events (let pause and unpause process outside of the audio_queue loop to let them happen more immediately)?
02.11.28 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> anyone wanna help me go through the installation step by step?...i know most of the stuff i just dont know the correct files i need
02.11.37 #       <warthawg> what are you installing?
02.11.43 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> i-pod nano
02.11.47 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> rockbox
02.12.15 #       <warthawg> well, i could help you by sending you to my ipodlinux install article
02.12.21 #       <lostlogic> connecting... USB... is making tracks clear???
02.12.23 #       <warthawg> but that isn't really necessary
02.12.25 #       <lostlogic> wtf.
02.12.48 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> i just need to know the names of the correct archives i have to download :S
02.12.51 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> its confusing
02.12.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FA-Tha-Stig: Did you read the IpodInstallation wiki page?
02.13.08 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> yeah, it told me what to do but not which files to download first
02.13.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Which step are you at that you don't know which file to download?
02.14.01 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> first...lol..i need the name of the file im supposed to download to STArt the installation process
02.14.02 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> lol
02.14.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, a) Download the required files tells you pretty specifically which ones to get there
02.14.09 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> :o
02.14.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You did read that far into the installation instructions, right?
02.14.34 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> ooh, the links work...brb
02.14.39 #       * Paul_The_Nerd sighs.
02.14.43 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> sorry :P
02.15.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: Should A-B be working yet, or is the fact that that's still borked a well known thing?
02.15.27 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: should work fine
02.15.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3452.msg25073;topicseen#msg25073
02.16.48 #       <lostlogic> hmph.
02.17.09 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: they do confuse the progressbar a bit but it should be working, or so lostlogic tells me
02.17.21 #       <Mikachu> they = a and b :)
02.17.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Well, someone's reported a freeze with it.
02.17.49 #       <lostlogic> unfortunately I still haven't tried to enable A-B on ipod so I'll hafta do that before I can investigate.
02.17.51 #       <Mikachu> ah
02.18.08 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: i used menu+left and menu+right for setting the points, works well enough for testing
02.18.35 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: cept that a hold on menu pulls up the quick screen really soon and messes it all up?
02.19.09 #       <Mikachu> well, you have to press them more or less at the same time
02.19.15 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: gotcha.
02.19.28 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: I'm lazy, got a patch?
02.20.38 #       <Mikachu> http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/paste
02.20.40 #       <Mikachu> damnit
02.20.44 #       <Mikachu> http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/5
02.20.49 #       <Mikachu> i should learn how to use my own bot :)
02.21.15 #       <Mikachu> +#define AB_REPEAT_ENABLE 1
02.21.20 #       <lostlogic> yeah, that part I can manage :-p
02.21.21 #       <Mikachu> in config-ipodnano.h too
02.21.27 #       <lostlogic> video in my case ;)
02.21.32 #       <Mikachu> right
02.21.36 #       <Mikachu> i think that's all there's to it
02.21.55 #       <Mikachu> my tree is getting a bit messed up i think
02.22.02 #       <Mikachu> % cvs diff|diffstat
02.22.04 #       <Mikachu>  72 files changed, 1204 insertions(+), 561 deletions(-)
02.23.23 #       <lostlogic> where to get diffstat?
02.23.29 #       <lostlogic> nvm
02.23.33 #       <lostlogic> "emerge diffstat" works
02.23.56 #       <Mikachu> it's a good method to see what a diff does without actually reading it
02.24.26 #       <lostlogic> heh
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02.25.00 #       <lostlogic> 457 insertions(+), 483 deletions(-)
02.25.09 #       <lostlogic> that's my playback.c changes in the last week or two
02.25.10 #       <lostlogic> :)
02.25.13 #       <Mikachu> you did a better job :)
02.25.38 #       <lostlogic> my tree is closer to synched up overall than yours though.
02.25.50 #       <Mikachu> advantages of cvs commit access :)
02.28.16 #       <Moos> amiconn: go to sleep, if tests on non-ticking devices still needed tommorow, I will
02.28.26 #       <Moos> have a good night or day at all
02.28.35 #       * Paul_The_Nerd bets he's even more in sync. :-P
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02.29.02 #       <Mikachu> at least amiconn committed my less clearing plugin patch
02.29.10 #       <Mikachu> has anyone noticed plugins loading a zillion times faster?
02.29.49 #       <lostlogic> bagh, ab repeat works fine for me.
02.30.00 #       <lostlogic> so fine in fact that I'm gonna activate it in CVS for nano and video and 4g
02.30.25 #       <Mikachu> hooray less diff for me
02.30.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: His problem occurs when you rewind to before the A marker
02.30.43 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: also, don't accidentally commit my reversal of long select and long menu
02.30.44 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: Why not all ipods?
02.31.10 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: I just tested that
02.31.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: What happens for you?
02.31.23 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: cuz different keypads
02.31.37 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: it acts as expected, winds forward to the B marker, then rewinds back to the A marker
02.31.38 #       <Mikachu> should you allow the seek bar to go outside the a-b range when seeking?
02.31.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Gotcha
02.31.48 #       <Mikachu> i guess it's useful on second thought
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02.32.06 #       <amiconn> Hmm? Afaik *all* rockbox-supported ipods have the "4g" keypad, except the partially supported 3g
02.32.13 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: we need a way to make it loop properly within the box in ab repeat but I don't konw what that way is yet.
02.32.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And the 3G would still probably work fine with that button combo for A-B repeat
02.32.37 #       <Mikachu> it's plausible that you would want to play an intro to a song and then loop a part
02.32.41 #       <amiconn> 3g has no audio playback yet afaik
02.33.05 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: ok, I'll turn it on for mini2g as well, that's the only one I didn't list that we support, right?
02.33.30 #       <amiconn> plus color
02.33.42 #       <afruff23> Can anybody explain the discrepancy between the example conditional for displaying the codec in the WPS AND the number of listed codecs?
02.33.43 #       <afruff23> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CustomWPS#File_Info
02.33.51 #       <amiconn> (4g by itself is ambiguous)
02.34.32 #       <Mikachu> afruff23: someone forgot to update both parts
02.34.58 #       <afruff23> so can I use use SHN in the conditional?
02.35.22 #       <afruff23> SHN means Shorten
02.36.13 #       <afruff23> so is the example conditional not going to work?
02.36.31 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> yaaay i dunn it :P
02.36.37 #       <afruff23> as in the player won't process it because it is too short of a conditional
02.37.17 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: Try it and find out?
02.37.18 #       <afruff23> since AAC, ALAC, SHN,abd AIFF aren;t included
02.37.23 #       <afruff23> ok
02.37.34 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: I'd say enable it for all 4g-keypad ipods (i.e. all we have config-* files for except the 3g)
02.37.42 #       <sharpe> hmm
02.38.08 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> hmm there are some games i cant seem to get out of without restarting
02.38.17 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> is there some combination of keys i should know baout/
02.38.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FA-Tha_Stig: Menu + Select is often what you need
02.38.49 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> ok, thanks
02.39.01 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: is mini 1g 4g keypad?
02.39.05 #       <amiconn> yes
02.39.06 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> nano
02.39.09 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> :o
02.39.38 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> doom says :Sorry you have no base wads
02.39.39 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> o_O
02.39.40 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> :P
02.40.00 #       <lostlogic> ok, done.
02.40.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FA-Tha_Stig: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
02.40.35 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> damn, theres so much to this thing :o,, whoever did this is a genious
02.40.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, there's a LOT of people together who did this.
02.41.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think upward of 130 credited so far?
02.41.30 #       <midkay> haha.
02.41.33 #       <afruff23> for Doom or Rockbox?
02.41.33 #       <midkay> 185 or so.
02.41.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Rockbox.
02.41.40 #       <midkay> or.. wait.. 187?
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02.42.18 #       <sharpe> hmm...
02.42.21 #       <sharpe> i've color...
02.42.24 #       <sharpe> text
02.42.41 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> wel i see most of the plugins are already updated....
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02.43.06 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: i'm number 160 in CREDITS
02.43.18 #       <lostlogic> bagh, there is definitely still a way to make playback do something _stupid_ by skipping tracks a lot, I think it has to do with skipping out of a track soon enough to cause it to report codec failure.
02.44.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: I'm not in credits. :) I have not yet contributed any real code.
02.44.28 #       <sharpe> i'm not in there either
02.44.45 #       <Mikachu> Paul_The_Nerd: i think you should be in anyway, you've certainly helped a lot in other ways
02.44.48 #       <Mikachu> :)
02.44.55 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> hmm i still havent tried songs yet
02.45.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mikachu: Naah. As it is, once I want to get in it I could always get off my lazy ass and actually write a useful patch.
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02.45.49 #       <sharpe> mine isn't useful!
02.45.52 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> so basically i can just dump the tracks in the ipod drive and just play em?
02.45.54 #       <sharpe> or, as they say.
02.45.58 #       <Mikachu> FA-Tha_Stig: yes
02.45.59 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: :-P your help really is appreciated, I don't know how you have the patience / energy to do what you do.
02.45.59 #       <sharpe> but, i'll get back to the c64.
02.46.19 #       <nave7693> hi may I make a suggestion?
02.46.25 #       <sharpe> yes
02.46.26 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> cool, once it unfreezes
02.46.27 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> lol
02.46.28 #       <lostlogic> nave7693: course, may or may not listen ot it :-P
02.46.36 #       <nave7693> well that's your freedom
02.46.42 #       <nave7693> just want to throw the idea out
02.46.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> nave7693: Suggestions are always welcome, but there's no guarantee anything will come of it. :)
02.47.40 #       <nave7693> I would like the screen that display the song info when playing use a different font than the other screens
02.48.11 #       <nave7693> oh that also applies to the file browsing screens
02.48.21 #       <Mikachu> that doesn't leave a lot of other screens
02.48.29 #       <nave7693> well right
02.48.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> nave7693: There's actually a patch on the tracker for it.
02.49.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> nave7693: And it's in the list of "Features Rockbox will probably have eventually, but everyone has more major things to work on at the moment, but if someone made a really good implementation it'd probably make its way into CVS" :)
02.50.03 #       <nave7693> ok
02.50.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But if you're up to compiling for yourself, you could give the current patch a try. It's probably a bit outdated, but there's probably a decent chance you could finagle it into applying.
02.51.07 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> OMG
02.51.18 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> my nano stopped working
02.51.25 #       <sharpe> batteries?
02.51.33 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> well i put in songs
02.51.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "stopped working" is a vague statement
02.51.38 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> disconnected it
02.51.46 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> and it gave me a low battery sign
02.51.49 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> and logged off
02.51.53 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> i conncected it to the USB
02.51.57 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> its still not responding
02.52.04 #       <Mikachu> did you try pressing menu+select until it flashes th eapple?
02.52.27 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> damn u hackers
02.52.28 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> lol
02.52.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> nave7693: Actually, the patch was last updated 04-03-06, so it probably applies to CVS
02.52.43 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> thanks it worked
02.52.51 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> im new to this :S
02.52.54 #       <Mikachu> you're welcome, newbie
02.53.00 #       <Mikachu> :)
02.53.03 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> :P
02.53.40 #       <lostlogic> ugh, there are definitely still track skipping problems where a skip will register, but not actually happen, leading to the next skip skipping two tracks.
02.53.48 #       <lostlogic> but now I must paint another ceiling.
02.54.11 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> hmm, its track skipping an issue with some audio formats or all/
02.54.19 #       <Mikachu> maybe you will have an epiphany while you paint
02.54.28 #       <lostlogic> FA-Tha_Stig: it's a bug in the playback system, so all formats.
02.54.57 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: I fear this may result in me completely rehacking something else large :) :-p
02.55.07 #       <Mikachu> heh
02.55.14 #       <Mikachu> reimplement threads!
02.55.34 #       <Mikachu> dynamic memory management!
02.58.07 #       <midkay> second cpu core put to use!
02.58.10 #       <midkay> no seriously! do it!
02.58.31 #       <Mikachu> setiPod
02.58.37 #       <midkay> libmad @ 300% realtime!
02.58.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Because that will somehow fix playback issues?
02.58.53 #       <midkay> if they don't affect me then nevermind them!
02.59.30 #       * Paul_The_Nerd goes to use A-B repeat mode for the first time EVER just to see if he can reproduce this bug.
02.59.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Anyone know what the set marker button is on iRiver?
03.01.12 #       <Mikachu> it is the same as NEXT/PREV-dir it seems
03.01.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I do not know what that combo is either
03.01.34 #       <Mikachu> hm
03.01.43 #       <Mikachu> is iriver h100/h300 or that ifp7xx thing?
03.01.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> H100
03.01.53 #       <Mikachu> okay
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03.02.02 #       <Mikachu> #define WPS_NEXT_DIR   (BUTTON_RIGHT | BUTTON_ON)
03.02.02 #       <Mikachu> #define WPS_PREV_DIR   (BUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_ON)
03.02.07 #       <afruff23> is the iPod video the most powerful CPU nad ram wise than other rockbox players?
03.02.17 #       <afruff23> and ram*
03.02.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The ifp7xx isn't yet at a point where I consider it a "working" target
03.02.25 #       <Mikachu> ramwise gamgi
03.02.32 #       <Mikachu> okay, i don't keep track :)
03.02.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: Depends on whether you count the Gigabeat WIP
03.02.48 #       <FA-Tha_Stig> LOVE IT ^^
03.03.27 #       <afruff23> you mean the gigabeat F series?
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03.03.37 #       <Mikachu> wasn't someone rewriting the wps parser too btw?
03.03.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: whichever one's being worked on.
03.08.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: I can confirm that you can rewind to outside of the A-B range rather easily, but I don't get the freeze he does.
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03.09.52 #       <afruff23> i CAN'T BELIEVE THEY DIDN'T GIVE THE GIGABEAT VIDEO CAPABILITY WITH A 400 MHZ PROCESSOR
03.09.58 #       <afruff23> sorry about caps
03.10.25 #       <BHSPitLappy> 400MHz?
03.10.33 #       <afruff23> yes
03.10.39 #       <BHSPitLappy> 400MHz can run windows
03.10.56 #       <afruff23> my computer's 333 mhz and it's running XP
03.11.09 #       <BHSPitLappy> that's fantastic...
03.11.31 #       <afruff23> what's the minimum to running XP?
03.11.36 #       <afruff23> I eman windows
03.11.39 #       <afruff23> mean*
03.12.13 #       <Mikachu> any computer without an internet connection
03.12.37 #       <afruff23> because windows is virus-prone?
03.13.31 #       <Mikachu> i think the installer for windows 98 required more ram than windows 98 itself
03.13.34 #       <Mikachu> or possibly it was 95
03.13.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It was 98, if I recall
03.13.58 #       <afruff23> how much?
03.14.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think it was like 50% more, but I don't remember how much that was.
03.14.17 #       <Mikachu> either 8 or 16 maybe
03.14.36 #       <Mikachu> it's strange that 640kB isn't enough for bill anymore
03.15.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "So, Bill, we have you quoted as saying 640kb of RAM should be plenty. Can we expect this design philosophy to hold with the upcoming Windows Vista release?"
03.16.13 #       <Mikachu> haha, maybe if your gfx card has plenty of ram it will work
03.16.25 #       <afruff23> I bet that thign is going to have a 512 mB minimum
03.16.29 #       <sharpe> hey, i'm dealing with 64kb of ram...
03.16.44 #       <Mikachu> afruff23: i wouldn't be surprised if it was 1GB :)
03.16.46 #       <afruff23> thing*=vista
03.17.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I think 1gb is the current suggested, with 512 being the listed minimum, but I could be wrong
03.17.06 #       <Mikachu> variable may be used uninitialized: thing
03.17.08 #       <afruff23> I jsut ahte te design philiosphy of windows as it get snewer and newer
03.17.16 #       <afruff23> they trade performance in for eyecandy
03.17.23 #       <afruff23> just hate the*
03.17.27 #       <afruff23> gets*
03.17.31 #       <Mikachu> i think they have a deal with hardware manufacturers
03.17.52 #       <Mikachu> </conspiracy theory>
03.17.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: People were uninstalling Rockbox from their H300s back when it didn't have the ability to change colors or use color graphics in WPS.
03.18.13 #       <sharpe> gah, how do i figure out the foreground color...
03.18.18 #       <Mikachu> maybe that's why the x5's selling point is COLOR STEREO
03.18.24 #       <afruff23> color sound*
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03.18.32 #       <afruff23> and no they put that on the M5 as well
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03.18.36 #       <afruff23> the M5 is grayscale
03.18.37 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders what Blue sounds like.
03.18.49 #       <Mikachu> feh, close enough :)
03.19.00 #       <afruff23> it's engrish
03.19.04 #       <Benacool> Blue sound likes a river!
03.19.08 #       <afruff23> sicne they put it on the grayscale M5
03.19.35 #       <mongey> Are the current rockbox builds for the h300 stable
03.19.36 #       <mongey> ?
03.19.38 #       <sharpe> well, it depends on how you represent your color, and what way of outputting audio you have.
03.19.45 #       <afruff23> I think they meant that the device Colors sound
03.19.48 #       <afruff23> that's bad
03.20.00 #       <Mikachu> that still doesn't make any sense to me
03.20.09 #       <afruff23> coloring sound means distorting
03.20.30 #       <mongey> anyone?
03.20.38 #       <afruff23> anyways, it's jsut bad translation
03.20.42 #       <afruff23> yes it is stable
03.20.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> mongey: Hopefully, yes.
03.21.10 #       <mongey> i heard that the builds after april 4th were unstable with plaback
03.21.25 #       <Mikachu> hopefully that should get an upper bound too
03.21.34 #       <afruff23> didn't they fix that by now
03.21.54 #       <Mikachu> it's the very thing lostlogic is working on now
03.22.16 #       <afruff23> downlaod an older build isntead then
03.22.22 #       <afruff23> instead*
03.22.31 #       <mongey> well i have aapril the second
03.22.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> mongey: We think that the playback issues are fixed. And we'd appreciate people downloading the newest build and letting us know if they aren't. Even started a few threads for that purpose specifically in the forum.
03.23.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mind you, by newest I mean "CVS / Bleeding Edge" and not "Daily"
03.23.16 #       <mongey> ok ill try now
03.23.57 #       <sharpe> yay
03.24.06 #       <sharpe> i have the correct background/foreground colors now
03.24.20 #       <afruff23> what do you mean?
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03.24.31 #       <sharpe> me?
03.24.37 #       <afruff23> yes
03.24.42 #       <sharpe> c64 emulator
03.25.07 #       <afruff23> on rockbox?!?!
03.25.11 #       <sharpe> yeah
03.25.22 #       <afruff23> is it in the CVS?
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03.25.29 #       <sharpe> nope
03.25.35 #       <sharpe> tis a plugin i'm working on
03.25.49 #       <afruff23> when's the feature freeze over?
03.25.51 #       <mongey> dunno if i should ask
03.25.54 #       <sharpe> there's also the feature freeze, and it's probably nowhere near complete.
03.26.05 #       <sharpe> er, my plugin is probably nowhere near complete.
03.26.08 #       <mongey> well i just say it where can i get doom wads
03.26.19 #       <sharpe> google
03.26.26 #       <webguest96> theres in link to top 100
03.26.30 #       <sharpe> and that's all i can say.
03.26.44 #       <afruff23> shady dealings
03.26.46 #       <sharpe> you could just use the shareware wads.
03.26.57 #       <afruff23> or user-created ones
03.27.11 #       <Mikachu> i'm not sure if tc wads work without the retail wad
03.27.33 #       <afruff23> tc=user-created?
03.27.40 #       <afruff23> ?
03.27.44 #       <Mikachu> total conversion
03.28.05 #       <afruff23> but the user created will right?
03.29.19 #       <webguest96> can anyone give me a link to a site that will explain to me in the most simple of ways how to install ipl if i already have rockbox going
03.30.11 #       <essoe> can seomone help me setup the elf-elf-gcc ?
03.30.47 #       <essoe> webguest: I can send you a decent link, none of the ones I've seen have worked 100% tho
03.31.13 #       <webguest96> what exactly is wrong with them?
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03.31.42 #       <essoe> just different things vary, the install is basically the same
03.32.40 #       <webguest96> well can i have the link, please? i suppose if its not going to screw my ipod up ill do it
03.33.05 #       <sharpe> okay, i've a screenshot of the emulator so far, with colored text working
03.33.07 #       <sharpe> http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_color.png
03.33.25 #       <webguest96> lookin nice
03.33.52 #       <afruff23> what are the possible applicatiosn for this emulator?
03.33.56 #       <afruff23> just a few
03.34.09 #       <afruff23> applications*
03.34.18 #       <sharpe> probably just games when i get the VIC chip implemented
03.34.19 #       <essoe> how do you launch games on a commodore? ..  I never understood those emulators or the atari ones with disc drives
03.34.45 #       <sharpe> LOAD it off the casette, then RUN it...
03.34.47 #       <sharpe> i think
03.35.01 #       <sharpe> unless you typed it, then just RUN
03.35.05 #       <webguest96> essoe: do you have the link?
03.35.07 #       <sharpe> cassette
03.35.18 #       <essoe> web- I sent you two, check your pm
03.35.32 #       <webguest96> thank you... im brand new to this whole thing so yeah...
03.35.34 #       <essoe> wait its my side
03.35.36 #       <essoe>  Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )
03.35.50 #       <essoe> webguest96 http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-10163_7-6279061-5.html
03.35.54 #       <webguest96> there we go
03.35.56 #       <essoe> webguest96 http://ipodlinux.org/5g#First_Time
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03.36.19 #       <webguest96> blahh!
03.36.25 #       <sharpe> yay emulator
03.36.36 #       <webguest96> i pressed backspace and it went back in my browser
03.36.38 #       <essoe> rockbox is different than IPL I think, but the installs are similar.. you partition the disc drives the same way, then for rockbox you install everything on drive sda2 ..  whereas with linux it goes on sda3
03.36.44 #       <webguest96> i missed that second link
03.36.45 #       <essoe> ^ for webguuest
03.36.52 #       <essoe> http://ipodlinux.org/5g#First_Time
03.36.56 #       <webguest96> thanks
03.38.09 #       <sharpe> okay, what to work on next...
03.38.11 #       <webguest96> and these instructions take into account my ipod is already running rockbox, correct?
03.38.19 #       <afruff23> is it safe to use the bitrate tag in the WPS WITHOUT a conditional?
03.38.30 #       <essoe> web- no, those may not be rockbox, just Ipodforlinux
03.38.55 #       <mongey> was doom taken out?
03.38.57 #       <sharpe> afruff23, i imagine it's okay.
03.40.13 #       <afruff23> How would I display a tag then a constant text right after without a space between it?
03.40.21 #       <afruff23> could I do this?:
03.40.22 #       <afruff23> %fbkbps
03.40.37 #       <sharpe> yes
03.40.41 #       <afruff23> would this display soemthing like 192kbps?
03.40.45 #       <sharpe> aye
03.40.52 #       <afruff23> ok thanks
03.40.57 #       <sharpe> mmhmm :D
03.41.51 #       <afruff23> do you think file frequency is a staple tag to include in the WPS?
03.42.08 #       <afruff23> staple=important
03.42.26 #       <sharpe> aw, i thought you meant using a staple and binding it to the text...
03.42.30 #       <sharpe> ah, sure
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03.44.11 #       <mongey> can some try doom with the latest build
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03.46.08 #       <mongey> woops
03.46.11 #       <mongey> my bad
03.47.30 #       <afruff23> what?
03.48.08 #       <mongey> nvm
03.48.21 #       <mongey> i forgot the rockbox.wad
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04.03.51 #       <afruff23> should Current Time In Song and Total Track Time be used in conditionals?
04.04.09 #       <Mikachu> i don't think they'll ever be empty..
04.04.31 #       <afruff23> what would happen if you displayed an empty tag in the WPS?
04.04.35 #       <afruff23> would it crash?
04.04.44 #       <midkay> no, haha. it just wouldn't show up.
04.04.47 #       <webguest96> anyone got a link to a very simple installation process for ipl if ive already got rockbox on my 5g
04.05.11 #       <Mikachu> willing to put a lot of work into it eh
04.05.38 #       <afruff23> mikachu, who was that directed to?
04.05.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: The one I explained to you earlier is about as simple as it gets if you want to use the Rockbox loader.
04.06.23 #       <afruff23> what are the future plans for the runtime db?
04.06.26 #       <webguest96> what was it again paul?
04.06.33 #       <afruff23> remove, improve, integrate into tagcache?
04.06.37 #       <Mikachu> afruff23: the wps system should be pretty failsafe
04.06.51 #       <Mikachu> afruff23: it may totally mess up the parsing, but it shouldn't crash at least
04.07.25 #       <midkay> there's no reason *for* it to crash..
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04.07.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: Create an ext2 or ext3 partition (in addition to the existing two), extract the ipodlinux root filesystem to it, overwrite with the newest build of podzilla, and then copy a new  .bin for the kernel into the fat32 partition named linux.bin
04.07.55 #       <afruff23> the CustomWPS guide keeps warnign to use conditionals as if soemthing bad would happen
04.08.05 #       <midkay> afruff23, no, just for good looks..
04.08.24 #       <midkay> you don't want "Next Track: %It" and then have it just show "Next Track: " when there is no %It.
04.08.26 #       <midkay> it looks ugly.
04.08.36 #       <afruff23> Oh, I know that
04.08.45 #       <midkay> that's the reason, that's the why.
04.08.46 #       <Mikachu> it would show Next Track: -
04.08.54 #       <Mikachu> or hm, maybe i have - in my wps, nm :)
04.09.21 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: btw, rewindig behind A is a feature, so that you can reset an A you missed ;0
04.10.07 #       <Mikachu> what uses are there for abrepeat?
04.10.15 #       <webguest96> Paul_The_Nerd: i dont think you understand how newbie i am at this, i have no clue how to even create a new partition, and rather than bother you guys a whole bunch, i just wanted a site with it all
04.10.20 #       <midkay> midkay, haha.
04.10.23 #       <lostlogic> *shrug* I never use it
04.10.24 #       <afruff23> for artist what should the priority be for displaying?
04.10.26 #       <midkay> oops.
04.10.26 #       <afruff23>  currently I'm going by ID3 Artist, ID3 composer, filename without extension
04.10.40 #       <midkay> Mikachu, um.. musicians or whatever trying to get down a certain portion of a song..
04.10.56 #       <Mikachu> would you do such things on a dap?
04.11.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: Seems like a good feature to have. :)
04.11.02 #       <midkay> sure, why not?
04.11.18 #       <Mikachu> sitting on the subway with your dap and your tuba
04.11.22 #       <midkay> if you find a portion of an audiobook hilarious, hearing it over and over..
04.11.25 #       <sharpe> modkay, did you laugh at yourself?
04.11.29 #       <sharpe> er, midkay.
04.11.41 #       <midkay> sharpe, haha. it was unintentional!
04.11.43 #       <Mikachu> midkay: heh, that's a good reason i guess
04.11.46 #       <sharpe> lol, okay.
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04.11.55 #       <midkay> Mikachu, yes, every DAP needs it for that :)
04.12.09 #       <sharpe> well... now that i have colored text... what to do?
04.12.15 #       <midkay> nothing?
04.12.20 #       <Mikachu> sound!
04.12.22 #       * afruff23 would like everything in the WPS to be coordinate absed so I could finish everything superfast
04.12.28 #       <afruff23> based*
04.12.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: There's not a site that explains creating a partition specifically for Rockbox. You're gonna have to learn how to use Linux to create an ext2 partition on your iPod. As I said, that's the simplest way for doing it using the Rockbox bootloader. The other option is starting from scratch and installing Linux first using their Loader2, and then adding rockbox on top of it (which is just then a matter of unzipping it in the ro
04.12.44 #       <midkay> afruff23, i don't see how coordinates would help you finish it faster?
04.13.05 #       <afruff23> so I would know fi aprts would voerlap or not
04.13.09 #       <afruff23> overlap*
04.13.14 #       <afruff23> if parts*
04.13.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: Then go ahead 'n code us up a viewport system. :)
04.13.33 #       <midkay> how big is your WPS that you need to use every square .. pixel?!
04.13.33 #       <midkay> :)
04.13.42 #       <sharpe> hmm...
04.13.42 #       <webguest96> Paul_The_Nerd: the end of your explanation got cut off to me... stops at (which is just then a matter of unzipping it in the ro
04.13.44 #       <afruff23> my screen's res?
04.13.48 #       <afruff23> 160 x 128
04.14.00 #       <sharpe> think i should implement something, that makes use of the scroll wheel, to enter commands?
04.14.38 #       <sharpe> er, to scroll thru the alphabet...
04.14.40 #       <Mikachu> you should implement it so it doesn't depend on a specific dap's features
04.14.43 #       <sharpe> or possible keys.
04.15.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: root of your ipod). But to do that you need to get instructions for installing ipodlinux from them
04.15.08 #       <sharpe> as far as i can tell, there's nothing i've done that's player specific
04.15.16 #       <sharpe> other than the memory requirements
04.15.23 #       <sharpe> and the screen requirement
04.15.39 #       <midkay> <sharpe> think i should implement something, that makes use of the scroll wheel, to enter commands?
04.15.47 #       <midkay> don't make it depend on the scroll wheel, i think he means.
04.15.54 #       <sharpe> bite me.
04.15.59 #       <midkay> sure.
04.16.00 #       <sharpe> :D
04.16.06 #       <midkay> :O
04.16.08 #       <midkay> ^ teeth.
04.16.32 #       <sharpe> i meant, have it scroll thru the alphabet to enter characters :) using different keys and such for each player...
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04.16.51 #       <midkay> you said scroll wheel!!
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04.17.16 #       <sharpe> freudian slip!
04.18.19 #       <webguest96> Paul_The_Nerd: so how am I going to learn to use linux to create a new partition?
04.18.41 #       <sharpe> okay, the plugin needs at least 68kb of free plugin space.
04.18.51 #       <sharpe> which, won't work with archoses.
04.19.21 #       <midkay> shame.
04.19.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: The internet is full of information relating to linux. Honestly, if you've never touched linux in your life, you might want to go looking through ipodlinux's resources for a means of installing IPL with Loader2 on your ipod, and tackle it that way.
04.20.05 #       <sharpe> and it needs a screen at least, 320x200
04.20.20 #       <sharpe> due to the character size of the c64
04.21.00 #       <sharpe> midkay, you saw the picture with the colors working, right?
04.21.09 #       <webguest96> Paul_The_Nerd: so am i going to need to delete all of the rockbox stuff on my ipod to do that, because i have indeed never used linux
04.22.58 #       <midkay> sharpe, nope?
04.23.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: Before starting the linux installation process, whatever it may be, you should either "ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin" or use the apple upgrade tool to restore your ipod. But I can't promise there will be easy steps from IPL, I don't know what resources are available from them
04.23.41 #       <sharpe> http://mattb.strangled.net/repository/rockboxc64_color.png ?
04.23.57 #       <midkay> has anyone found the capacity of the iPod 5G and nano batteries?
04.24.31 #       <midkay> sharpe, cool :)
04.24.46 #       <sharpe> and the basic commands work still
04.24.49 #       <sharpe> so that's good
04.24.56 #       <midkay> yep.
04.25.26 #       <webguest96> Paul_The_Nerd: I have a 5g and the installation guide there for a 5g links to the forum in which a user has posted his way of installion which is very very lengthy... maybe ill just stick with rockbox....
04.25.32 #       <sharpe> i feel special for making an emulator
04.25.35 #       <sharpe> :D
04.26.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest96: It may be best. There's just not a simple way to do both yet.
04.29.04 #       <sharpe> i may have to figure out what keypresses should be used to switch between keyboard and joystick mode
04.29.33 #       <sharpe> for entry of stuff
04.29.38 #       <sharpe> or playing games
04.36.17 #       <sharpe> ...
04.42.25 #       <webguest96> so, uh, how bout that weather?
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04.45.07 #       <sharpe> ah
04.45.12 #       <sharpe> i can't tell. it's dark.
04.45.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I plot to destroy it.
04.47.19 #       <sharpe> i like the rain
04.47.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nothin' wrong with rain
04.47.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I hate it being 50F one day, and 95F the next
04.48.34 #       <sharpe> yeah.
04.49.07 #       <sharpe> time to test my attempt at text input for the c64.
04.49.24 #       <webguest96> ill help in that destruction of the weather thing you got goin on there
04.49.44 #       <webguest96> as long as when its destroyed it just kinda remains like 70 and slightly sunny
04.50.18 #       <TCK> k
04.50.19 #       <midkay> anyone with an X5 around?
04.50.34 #       <sharpe> durr i have a 5g!
04.50.37 #       <sharpe> :)
04.50.51 #       <midkay> yes, they both have a "5". nice job. :)
04.51.24 #       <sharpe> i are good
04.51.27 #       <midkay> afruff23? you have an X5, don't you?
04.51.39 #       <BHSPitLappy> I is, too!
04.51.59 #       <midkay> _LOL_.
04.51.59 #       <sharpe> but does your 5g have a c64 emulator on it? :D
04.52.46 #       <essoe> I just want a port of the oregon trail
04.52.52 #       <afruff23> yes
04.52.55 #       <afruff23> I do
04.53.08 #       <midkay> afruff23, can you tell me what holding REC does in the browser?
04.53.34 #       <afruff23> answer to midkay not sharpe
04.54.04 #       <afruff23> not sure
04.54.11 #       <midkay> seems to do nothing?
04.54.19 #       <afruff23> I'll try in the uisimulator now
04.54.26 #       <midkay> where's your X5? :)
04.54.42 #       <afruff23> not with me
04.54.47 #       <midkay> ah. :\
04.55.41 #       <afruff23> it did nothing in the UI sim
04.55.49 #       <midkay> i think it's to resume..
04.55.54 #       <afruff23> unless I press it a few times
04.55.55 #       <afruff23> wierd
04.55.59 #       <midkay> can you try playing a file, stopping, and then holding rec?
04.56.26 #       <afruff23> ggoes back to file browser
04.56.35 #       <midkay> what does?
04.56.48 #       <afruff23> what you jsut said
04.57.00 #       <midkay> play a file, then stop playback, and you should go back to the browser, then from there hold rec.
04.57.50 #       <afruff23> what's stop?
04.57.53 #       <midkay> hm. nevermind, thanks.. i figured it out..
04.57.56 #       <midkay> hm, not sure.
04.58.08 #       <midkay> hold play..
04.58.18 #       <sharpe> whoops
04.58.29 #       <sharpe> no wonder the text input didn't really work
04.59.22 #       <sharpe> quick, use select or down to enter the text?
04.59.31 #       <midkay> use play.
04.59.39 #       <sharpe> 'kay
04.59.49 #       <midkay> no. scroll_back.
04.59.58 #       <sharpe> already use it.
05.00.05 #       <midkay> left|menu.
05.00.16 #       <sharpe> already use that
05.00.23 #       <midkay> select|menu|(repeat*5)
05.00.24 #       <midkay> :)
05.00.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> left|right|menu|play|select!
05.00.47 #       <sharpe> up down left right select start !
05.00.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> UUDDLRLRBA Start
05.00.59 #       <midkay> Paul_The_Nerd, left|right|menu|play|(select|rel)
05.01.01 #       <midkay> :)
05.01.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hehehe
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05.01.17 #       <midkay> that'd be tough :)
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05.01.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Indeed it would
05.01.56 #       <midkay> hm, that's really _weird_..
05.02.14 #       <midkay> TREE_POWER_BUTTON is defined for 8 targets but used nowhere.
05.02.16 #       <sharpe> i should really add cpu_boost()...
05.02.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> nowhere?
05.02.29 #       <midkay> nowhere.
05.02.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's strange.
05.02.58 #       <midkay> each occurrence in the entire /rockbox/ dir was a #define..
05.03.10 #       <sharpe> twould make it emulate faster while drawing the screen...
05.03.30 #       <midkay> i guess i'll remove them while i'm here, can put them back later if they're for anything..
05.03.40 #       <sharpe> well, i'm gone.
05.03.40 #       <sharpe> latert
05.03.40 #       <sharpe> later...
05.03.46 #       <midkay> later sharpe
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05.07.33 #       <sharpe> just to notify, text input works somewhat :D
05.07.54 #       <midkay> sharpe, my trust in you is shattered.
05.07.58 #       <midkay> you said you were leaving and you werent.
05.08.02 #       <midkay> weren't*.
05.08.23 #       <sharpe> actually, i don't leave for the next six or so hours
05.08.32 #       <sharpe> i sleep eight feet away.
05.08.47 #       <sharpe> okay, going to sleep now
05.08.50 #       <sharpe> later everyone
05.08.53 #       <midkay> what the hell.
05.08.56 #       <midkay> i'm not saying later.
05.09.00 #       <midkay> because you already ruined it.
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05.19.49 #       <essoe> stopwatch is simple, yet genius
05.20.02 #       <midkay> yes. so clever. a watch that actually times something.
05.20.13 #       <midkay> how unbelievably insane is that.
05.20.20 #       <essoe> well as a plugin for rockbox
05.20.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If I didn't have an actual watch, I'd love it.
05.20.43 #       <midkay> who would have ever considered giving rockbox a stopwatch over the past 5 years?
05.20.48 #       <midkay> that's _insane_. yeah.i can't believe it happened.
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05.30.36 #       <VoltageX> reckon it would be possible to use the second mini usb port to hook up peripherals like say, a wifi adaptor? streaming mp3s in rockbox would rule.
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05.32.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Possible, maybe (assuming you're talking about a USB OTG/Host port) but the likelihood of what you've described is pretty slim.
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05.35.51 #       <afruff23> but it would have to be self-powered right?
05.36.01 #       <afruff23> the power demand would be great for wireless right?
05.36.20 #       <afruff23> anyways, it's probably never gonna happen on rockbox
05.36.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, I know bluetooth adapters can be powered simply by USB, I imagine 802.11b probably can too
05.36.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Someone would have to code a custom driver for a specific chipset though, I imagine
05.36.45 #       <afruff23> that's what I thought btu it'd eb hard to stream music over either of those 2
05.37.03 #       <afruff23> 111 mbps or less is not much
05.37.10 #       <afruff23> 11*
05.37.19 #       <afruff23> and that's at peak
05.37.25 #       <afruff23> it's usually around 5 mbps
05.37.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 11mbps is a LOT more than the 320kbps that the highest bitrate MP3s are.
05.37.28 #       <afruff23> or less
05.37.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Or the 1411kbps raw WAV is.
05.38.08 #       <afruff23> bluettoth is way less than 11 mbps peak though
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05.38.14 #       <afruff23> I forget waht it is exactly
05.38.19 #       <afruff23> what*
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05.39.59 #       <afruff23> I finished my WPS, except now I ahve to do trial and error with text and picture positioning
05.40.06 #       <afruff23> I hate this part
05.40.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Looks like BT is 723kbps (actual. The spec is 1Mbit, but some is wasted here 'n there). Enough to stream most compressed audio at least
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05.40.58 #       <afruff23> but actual speeds are probably much less
05.41.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, it depends on range.
05.41.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But that's still more than twice the bitrate any MP3 should ever be.
05.42.11 #       <afruff23> what was wrong with 802.11b?
05.42.16 #       <afruff23> why was BT introduced?
05.42.34 #       <afruff23> 302.11b is faster, cheaper, and more versatile
05.42.40 #       <afruff23> 802.11b*
05.42.48 #       <midkay> 902.10 !!
05.43.05 #       <afruff23> is that a real standard?
05.43.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: BT is a lot easier for laypersons to set up device interoperability with.
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05.43.11 #       <midkay> no.. it's a.. joke.
05.43.12 #       <midkay> 90210.
05.43.16 #       <midkay> isn't that a show or something.
05.43.19 #       <afruff23> yea
05.43.19 #       <midkay> i guess nobody got it.
05.43.19 #       <midkay> :(
05.43.35 #       <afruff23> the dot threw me off
05.43.39 #       <midkay> yeah.
05.43.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: 802.11b is primarily for networking. While BT can be used for networking, it's really more of a device to device protocol, like syncing a cellphone, or using a hands free headset.
05.44.09 #       <afruff23> 802.11b has ad-hoc
05.44.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, but 802.11b as a standard has no means by which a device can offer its capabilities.
05.44.35 #       <afruff23> but yea I get what you're saying
05.44.56 #       <afruff23> it can but the hardware would be more expensive
05.45.03 #       <afruff23> looka t those wireless media streamers
05.45.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: That's not a feature of the protocol.
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05.46.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> BT is useful because it lets a cellphone control a remote control car, or serve as a means of controlling a mouse pointer on my desktop. Not that I'd ever WANT to do that, but it allows such things in an easy for my Dad to use manner
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05.47.26 #       <Galois> bluetooth jumped the shark for me when one day I found myself typing on my friend's computer and vice versa
05.48.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
05.48.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I am 100% against wireless keyboards and mice.
05.48.27 #       <VoltageX> I'd still love to stream to rockbox
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05.48.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Don't expect it any time this year at least. :)
05.48.48 #       <VoltageX> and the RT2XXX chipset is being ported to linux
05.48.54 #       <VoltageX> ah well I've got doom so I"m happy
05.49.18 #       <Lambo> doom hates me
05.49.25 #       <afruff23> why paul?
05.49.30 #       <afruff23> why do you hat wireless mouse?
05.49.33 #       <afruff23> batteries?
05.49.37 #       <afruff23> hate*
05.50.07 #       <afruff23> I try not to use wireless thigns when possible due to batteries beign such a hassle
05.50.11 #       <afruff23> things*
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05.51.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> afruff23: Batteries. It's all about the batteries. I will never put myself in a position whereby through neglect I need to visit a STORE just to resume use of my computer.
05.51.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Well, seeing as rockbox isn't linux, that isn't a huge help
05.51.33 #       <afruff23> yep, same here
05.51.37 #       <afruff23> I ahte using batteries
05.51.41 #       <afruff23> hate*
05.51.47 #       <VoltageX> Paul_The_Nerd: but I'm assuming the m68k gcc will compile it.
05.52.44 #       <afruff23> if soembody invents a battery that will never lose it's maximmum charge capacity, then I will give them a $100
05.52.56 #       <VoltageX> actually I'd rather a fmod port first :D
05.52.58 #       <afruff23> as in over time, it doesn
05.53.03 #       <afruff23> t become less efficient
05.53.29 #       <VoltageX> afruff23: I'm looking at my iriver, which lasts for <8hrs between recharges
05.53.50 #       <afruff23> isn't that bad?
05.54.01 #       <VoltageX> the way that you replace the iriver battery looks scary.
05.54.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Just because you can compile something doesn't mean it'll work without drastic modifications
05.54.27 #       <VoltageX> Paul_The_Nerd: it's a start :S
05.54.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, it is
05.54.56 #       <VoltageX> fmod first, wifi second
05.55.04 #       <VoltageX> I had my first rockbox freeze today...
05.56.11 #       <Lambo> doom doesn't like my ipod :/
05.56.12 #       <afruff23> has anybody noticed that whenever some cool new mp3 player ccomes out it is usually flash-based
05.56.19 #       <afruff23> like that wireless one
05.56.37 #       <afruff23> I don't like flash due to it's abysmal cpacity
05.57.03 #       <VoltageX> err how come the iriver h340 is twice as thick as the h320?
05.57.15 #       <afruff23> bigger hard drive
05.57.20 #       <Galois> flash is barely adequate, if you use some higher quality format to make up for the lower capacity
05.57.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's not twice as thick
05.57.37 #       <VoltageX> Paul_The_Nerd: exaggeration
05.58.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, I believe they're releaseing 2.5" 32gig flash based HDs soon, which at least means the archoses might be able to move to flash
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05.59.03 #       <VoltageX> iriver needs to release the iriver h380. I filled 37gb so quickly
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06.01.19 #       <Galois> afruff23: NiCd batteries last basically forever if you cycle them regularly (http://www.buchmann.ca/Article9-Page1.asp)
06.01.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: Buy an 80-gig and swap it in?
06.01.43 #       <Galois> but, NiCd batteries don't match Li-ion in energy density
06.02.06 #       <Galois> also, unfortunately, it is not in the manufacturer's best interest to ship a battery that lasts forever
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06.03.51 #       <VoltageX> Paul_The_Nerd: o.O that's possible? I might do it when I'm replacing the battery - I've gotta pop the hdd out anyway. How likely am I to brick the player doing this?
06.04.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VoltageX: The HD swap to my understanding is basically about as simple as a battery swap.
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06.06.05 #       <VoltageX> oooh! very tempting.
06.06.25 #       <VoltageX> err, my noobness is showing, what kind of hard drive is it?
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06.10.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 1.8" Dual Platter. MK8007GAH I think.
06.11.36 #       <VoltageX> gah, possibly tricky to get here
06.12.16 #       <VoltageX> so will it take non-toshiba drives?
06.13.01 #       <VoltageX> hmm I've found somewhere that sells 15gb 1.8" drives.
06.13.26 #       <VoltageX> and the same 40gb drive that's stock
06.13.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The MK8007GAH is toshiba I think
06.13.49 #       <VoltageX> crap, that's almost as much as a new player
06.15.21 #       <VoltageX> 	 Toshiba 60GB 1.8" HDD (HDD 225) 	
06.15.22 #       <VoltageX> Not Rated
06.15.22 #       <VoltageX>  Rate Merchant 
06.15.22 DBUG    Enqueued KICK VoltageX
06.15.22 #       <VoltageX> 	$450.00
06.15.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, they aren't cheap
06.15.25 #       <VoltageX> oops sorry.
06.17.29 #       <VoltageX> hmm not really worth it unless they drop in price a bit
06.17.46 #       <VoltageX> still, good to know that in 3 years I could extend the life of my player.
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06.18.56 #       <livesNbox> anyone awake ?
06.19.02 #       <VoltageX> me, barely.
06.19.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aye, I do not yet sleep.
06.19.35 #       <livesNbox> heh.. I have an iPod and I've just started running rockbox on it -- I've been running it on my iRiver h320 for a while now and it looks like the port to iPod is pretty stable now..
06.20.00 #       <livesNbox> One giant problem though - I have to have 2 copies of everything on my player!
06.20.17 #       <Shadowarrior13> lol
06.20.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, you don't
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06.20.24 #       <livesNbox> actually I just realized something
06.20.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There are a few solutions
06.20.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 1) Don't use Apple FW
06.20.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 2) Use TagCache
06.20.35 #       <livesNbox> my doc connector in my car worked just fine with rockbox
06.20.49 #       <livesNbox> I was using tagcache but then you can't use album art..
06.21.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Isn't the recent album art patch compatible with it?
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06.21.38 #       * Paul_The_Nerd still doesn't get the desire of people to waste space on album art.
06.21.51 #       <livesNbox> i believe you have to put a cover.bmp in the folder with the songs for the album it relates to
06.22.18 #       <livesNbox> Paul_The_Nerd: it looks nice... there is something to be said for style, ya know
06.22.36 #       <livesNbox> maybe I'll just blow away all of my songs from my apple side of the house.
06.24.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, but there's something to be said against style over substance, and album art both takes up space on the HD that could potentially fit a little more music, and takes up valuable audio buffer. So, for me at least, it's a fairly useless thing. :)
06.24.06 #       <livesNbox> the only real reason I was keeping them was for my peripherals (docks and stuff in the house / office / car)
06.24.50 #       <livesNbox> if I didn't still have 18GB free I might worry about that :)
06.24.55 #       <livesNbox> but the ladies love it.
06.24.56 #       <livesNbox> heh
06.24.56 #       <Galois> can't you use foopod to deobfuscate the itunes filenames so that rockbox can read them?
06.25.11 #       <livesNbox> yeah I think so.. but they are still scattered all over the hard drive I believe.
06.25.20 #       <livesNbox> tagcache is probably easier.
06.26.02 #       <Galois> my ipod only has ogg files, so the apple firmware is kind of irrelevant to me
06.26.16 #       <livesNbox> hh
06.26.17 #       <livesNbox> heh
06.26.19 #       <livesNbox> ogg only eh ?
06.26.20 #       <Lambo> yay for errors!
06.26.22 #       <livesNbox> rip your own ?
06.26.34 #       <Galois> yeah I don't trade, that's, like, illegal and shit
06.26.58 #       <livesNbox> i buy em...  www.allofmp3.com
06.27.06 #       <livesNbox> $.02 per meg.. pretty decent.
06.27.25 #       <Galois> also it's a nano so I do not have 18GB free space like you
06.27.34 #       <Lambo> W_texturenumforname:
06.27.36 #       <Lambo> fun
06.27.46 #       <Lambo> -W+R
06.28.09 #       <livesNbox> ohh I just remembered the real reason I came here -- I'm not setup to build my own rockbox firmware.. is there anyone who can compile a version of the latest firmware with the album art patch for me ?
06.28.27 #       <livesNbox> or might just have one laying around.. for ipod 5g (video)
06.28.47 #       <Galois> I technically could, except 1) I've never built an ipod video firmware before, 2) the consensus on the channel seems to be to encourage such petitioners to learn to compile
06.28.49 #       <Slasheri> livesNbox: hmm, it would be better to even download them illegally than buy from www.allofmp3.com. If the really are so cheap, that is a russian site anyway which just delivers illegally copied files..
06.28.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why not set up the ability to compile for yourself?
06.29.13 #       <livesNbox> Paul_The_Nerd: didn't want to be up all night
06.29.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> livesNbox: You learn to compile once, and you never have to ask that question again. Especially since there are possibly still playback bugs hiding in CVS.
06.29.19 #       <midkay> livesNbox, wow, interesting site, that's like a buck an album..
06.29.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So you'll probably need a new version in say, two days anyway
06.29.27 #       <livesNbox> midkay: yeah super cheap.
06.29.49 #       <livesNbox> is there a site that might walk me through getting setup ?
06.29.52 #       <midkay> livesNbox, very cool.. *bookmarks* :)
06.30.30 #       <livesNbox> midkay: yeah the best part -- you don't have to worry about getting wierd sounds in the middle of your songs.. heh
06.30.42 #       <VoltageX> midkay: at first it doesn't look like you can use paypal, but they support icards from xrost.com which in turn uses paypal
06.30.49 #       <Galois> livesNbox I heard that the vmware platform is easiest to set up
06.30.58 #       <midkay> haha. VoltageX, nice..
06.31.08 #       <livesNbox> is there anyone who could build one for me tonight and then I'll get setup tomorrow?
06.31.11 #       <midkay> livesNbox, looking to compile? i'm using the vmware image at the moment, it's extremely easy..
06.31.13 #       <VoltageX> gah, xrost is still down
06.31.23 #       <livesNbox> midkay: does rockbox maintain a vmware image ?
06.31.27 #       <midkay> livesNbox, it's already compiled and everything, just download it and use it..
06.31.27 #       <livesNbox> that would be really cool
06.31.30 #       <Galois> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform !!
06.31.39 #       <midkay> not maintain, but has one that's up-to-date and fully working.
06.31.59 #       <livesNbox> that's sweet.
06.32.08 #       <livesNbox> don't have time to do it tonight.. but I'll do it tomorrow
06.32.26 #       <livesNbox> ok guys.. thanks... I'll just get back on this tomorrow
06.32.36 #       <livesNbox> later.
06.35.16 #       <midkay> later livesNbox
06.39.56 #       <VoltageX> hmm I think 100mb of doom wads may be excessive.
06.40.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Lesse... Doom(ultimat):12mb, Doom2: 14, TNT: 14, Plutonia: 14, and then 46mb of add-ons?
06.41.34 #       <VoltageX> and it's not recognising any others other than doom 1 and 2
06.41.34 #       <Shadowarrior13> Hey, has the USB detection in the ipod changed recently?
06.41.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Shadowarrior13: In what way?
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06.41.50 #       <Shadowarrior13> I upgraded after a while, and it does the old stupid "Seeing-usb-when-it-isn't-there" thing, and reboots to disk mode.
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06.42.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hm.
06.42.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nobody else has complained about anything USB related at all.
06.42.24 #       <Shadowarrior13> Yeah, my ipod is a fuckhead.
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06.42.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's probably a hardware flaw then
06.42.45 #       <Shadowarrior13> If there was an evil ipod, it'd be mine.
06.43.31 #       <VoltageX> brb
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06.44.34 #       <midkay> hm, that libmad patch is interesting.
06.44.48 #       <essoe> is there a quick way to boot into the apple interface with rockbox?
06.44.49 #       <midkay> my iPod is now managing mp3 just about 100% realtime with EQ on..
06.45.10 #       <Shadowarrior13> Get ipodloader2. It's a whole lot easier than the rockbox bootloader.
06.45.17 #       <Shadowarrior13> And while you're at it, install ipl.
06.45.23 #       <Shadowarrior13> >.>
06.45.34 #       <midkay> essoe, yes..
06.45.47 #       <midkay> hold MENU before the apple logo shows up (just after turning it on)
06.45.54 #       <Shadowarrior13> lol
06.46.01 #       <Shadowarrior13> He said quick :P
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06.46.21 #       <midkay> that's quicker than a menu.. it's just pressing a button.
06.46.30 #       <Shadowarrior13> That menu button works 1 out of 10 times
06.46.32 #       <midkay> and it doesn't require switching loaders..
06.46.39 #       <essoe> midkay- thanks!
06.46.41 #       <midkay> more often if you're not pathetic :)
06.46.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Shadowarrior13: Funny, it works 10 out of 10 for me...
06.46.45 #       <Shadowarrior13> Psh
06.46.50 #       <midkay> essoe, np
06.46.51 #       <Shadowarrior13> Well, my ipod is evil.
06.47.05 #       <Shadowarrior13> I'm going to blame everything on it.
06.47.17 #       <Shadowarrior13> "My cat got run over! Damn iPod."
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06.47.30 #       * lostlogic starts a complete track skipping rework, and then heads to bed
06.47.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's good. In most situations locally, I'm the blame magnet.
06.47.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: You just love to torture yourself, doncha?
06.47.55 #       <midkay> lostlogic, what do you think about the libmad patch? seems like an improvement to me..
06.48.15 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: it's necessary -- look at my wiki page, all of the bugs in the current playback are now track skipping related
06.48.28 #       <lostlogic> Paul_The_Nerd: I dodged this one for as long as I could, working on the buffering logic
06.48.29 #       <midkay> haha.
06.48.39 #       <lostlogic> midkay: yes, it looks nice, waiting for preglow to commit it
06.48.54 #       <lostlogic> g'night!
06.48.58 #       <midkay> cool. i can't wait for his next patch (or at least he implied one)
06.49.02 #       <midkay> night :)
06.49.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: I'd actually noticed that most/all were skipping related. Still, I have to say you're doing some pretty amazing work. Thanks for the huge effort.
06.49.24 #       <midkay> ^ seconded :)
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07.01.26 #       <sayocean> hi guys
07.01.29 #       <sayocean> quick question
07.01.32 #       <sayocean> 5G Ipod
07.01.35 #       <sayocean> 60 gigs
07.01.49 #       <sayocean> filled up about 88 percent with mp3s..
07.02.11 #       <sayocean> i loaded rockbox , but the songs were skipping at times and crossfade wasn't working at all (besides when I stopped the music, it would fade out)
07.02.18 #       <sayocean> any idea why im having these problems?
07.02.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Does your WPS have a peakmeter?
07.02.33 #       <sayocean> yes
07.02.35 #       <midkay> skipping would probably be the result of crossfeed and/or EQ enabled.. or peak meter..
07.02.45 #       <sayocean> and when it "pauseS" or skips, the peak meter dips to 0
07.02.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: I would recommend trying one without a peakmeter.
07.02.52 #       <midkay> crossfade, make sure it's enabled "Yes" or "Track Skip Only" if you wish, and set the durations..
07.03.04 #       <sayocean> is it a common issue at the moment?
07.03.10 #       <sayocean> for songs to "pause"
07.03.15 #       <sayocean> i guess "skipipng" is the wrong term
07.03.18 #       <sayocean> they take a 1 second pause
07.03.24 #       <sayocean> from time to time
07.03.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, it's a common issue
07.03.42 #       <sayocean> other than that, the rockbox kicks the apple firmware SOOOO hard
07.03.56 #       <essoe> could someone help me with getting  elf-gcc up and running?
07.04.00 #       <sayocean> so even if i formated the ipod and loaded rockbox, it wouldnt fix it?
07.04.20 #       <midkay> fix what?
07.04.27 #       <sayocean> fix the pauses
07.04.32 #       <Galois> just turn off the peak meter and eq
07.04.34 #       <sayocean> i thought
07.04.45 #       <sayocean> that the pausing during songs was because my ipod was almost full
07.04.55 #       <midkay> no, not at all.
07.04.57 #       <Galois> it's unrelated
07.04.57 #       <sayocean> 57 some gigs and i had 1.4 gigs left
07.05.06 #       <midkay> disable EQ, disable crossfeed, remove the peak meter.
07.05.11 #       <midkay> should run just fine after that..
07.05.18 #       <Galois> mp3 playback is slow right now, you have to turn off all the extra stuff
07.06.24 #       <sayocean> <--- noob
07.06.25 #       <sayocean> lol
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07.06.41 #       <sayocean> can someone explain to me how i turn the peak meter off? is it an option within the menu?
07.06.42 #       <essoe> got one other dumb question-- when a track is playing, how do you get to the browse music/files screen?
07.07.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Just pick a different WPS, one that doesn't show a peakmeter
07.07.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> essoe: What type of player?
07.07.30 #       <Galois> essoe: hit select (the middle button)
07.07.34 #       <essoe> paul- ipod photo
07.07.51 #       <essoe> galois: thanks
07.08.15 #       <sayocean> anyone else have an ipod with rockbox ?
07.08.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Many of us do.
07.08.25 #       <Galois> most people here do
07.08.32 #       <Angel> i do
07.08.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Galois: I wouldn't necessarily say "Most"
07.08.49 #       <sayocean> ok cool
07.09.00 #       <sayocean> ok here goes my second attempt :)
07.09.02 #       <Angel> any of you have a 5g ipd with rockbox on it?
07.09.15 #       <sayocean> angel
07.09.21 #       <sayocean> im about to reload rockbox on mine 
07.09.28 #       <sayocean> i had it 3 days ago
07.09.33 #       <sayocean> but uninstalled because of pauses
07.09.48 #       <sayocean> anyone here have foobar2000 v. 8?
07.09.54 #       <Angel> mk, have u heard of doom working on 5g yet?
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07.10.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Doom should work on 5G, I believe.
07.10.31 #       <Angel> Yes i belive so to, how to get it working it my problem.
07.10.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Have you read the PluginDoom page?
07.11.02 #       <Angel> no
07.11.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's in the rockbox wiki
07.11.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> just type PluginDoom in the Go To Page box
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07.12.19 #       <Angel_of_Death> Alright, checking it out now thanks.
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07.13.41 #       <Angel_of_Death> RoC_MM, dank
07.15.36 #       <RoC_MM> Tell me if you get it working Angel_of_Death 
07.15.43 #       <Angel_of_Death> sayocean,  yes i have foobar
07.17.26 #       <Angel_of_Death> sayocean, Did you have questions about foobar sayocean?
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07.19.24 #       <sayocean> angel
07.19.24 #       <sayocean> yes
07.19.31 #       <sayocean> could you please send me foobar v 8 ?
07.19.50 #       <Angel_of_Death> Why dont you just download it?
07.20.05 #       <sayocean> ah FUCK
07.20.07 #       <Angel_of_Death> oh now that i look, i have foobar 2000
07.20.10 #       <sayocean> Rockbox error -1
07.20.12 #       <sayocean> what does that meaN?
07.20.17 #       <Angel_of_Death> no idea
07.20.22 #       <sayocean> right underneath it reads "loading original firmware"
07.20.44 #       <Angel_of_Death> mhmm, when u were booting into rockbox on the iPod did you hold down menu?
07.20.58 #       <essoe> sayocean- I had that error yesterday.. turns out I put the .rockbox dir on the wrong partition
07.21.00 #       <sayocean> nope..i just finished reinstalled rockbox
07.21.09 #       <sayocean> or rather, installing the bootloader
07.21.31 #       <sayocean> actually
07.21.32 #       <sayocean> nevermind
07.21.46 #       <sayocean> i didnt install the actual rockbox yet
07.21.52 #       <Galois> if you install the bootloader without installing rockbox then you're supposed to get an error, and then it's supposed to boot the original firmware
07.21.53 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
07.22.21 #       <sayocean> heh
07.22.23 #       <sayocean> angel
07.22.26 #       <Angel_of_Death> yeah?
07.22.33 #       <sayocean> foobar2000 v 8 isnt available anymroe :(
07.22.42 #       <sayocean> its v9 now, and that version doesnt work with foo_pod
07.22.48 #       <Angel_of_Death> well mine does
07.22.54 #       <sayocean> was wondering if anyone had v 8 that they wouldnt mind dccing to me
07.22.55 #       <sayocean> ...
07.23.01 #       <Angel_of_Death> hmm
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07.23.36 #       <Angel_of_Death> well i tried it with foo_pod and i rebuilt the DB just like it said, but when i tried playing a song with Apple firmware it just skipped thru the songs.
07.25.08 #       <RoC_MM> It would show track names for a split second, but just go to the next one and not play any of them Angel_of_Death ?
07.25.25 #       <Angel_of_Death> yer
07.25.48 #       <RoC_MM> I had that happen with a friend of mine....I think the iPod DB is dumb and can't process file's longer than 8 characters.
07.25.57 #       <RoC_MM> So your mp3s wouldn't play I think.
07.26.06 #       <RoC_MM> unless they were axgq.mp3
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07.26.20 #       <Angel_of_Death> well doesn't matter much to me, i wouldn't use apple firmware again anyways
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07.28.46 #       <sayocean> WTF
07.28.49 #       <sayocean> now when it loads
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07.29.07 #       <sayocean> and the Rockbox logo comes up, underneath it, it reads "failure to load playlist blah blah"
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07.30.24 #       <Angel_of_Death> has any1 got DOOM to work?
07.30.33 #       <Angel_of_Death> i just tried and when i open it nothing happens.... lol
07.30.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Are you running the Doom plugin, or are you just clicking on the .wad file and expecting something to happen?
07.31.25 #       <Angel_of_Death> hold on
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07.33.47 #       <Angel_of_Death> they are both .wad files
07.34.54 #       <Angel_of_Death> so i suppose im clicking on the .wad file and expecting something to happen
07.35.02 #       <sayocean> no way to make the font size bigger huh
07.35.14 #       <Angel_of_Death> no there is
07.35.18 #       <sayocean> so no one has foobar v8 they can send?
07.35.57 #       <Angel_of_Death> sayocean, i have a foobar that works with foo pod, but i dont have the installer, i cant just send the folder with everything already installed, wont work
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07.36.32 #       <Galois> I searched google and found multiple sites that let you download foobar 0.8.3
07.36.40 #       <Angel_of_Death> Paul_The_Nerd, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
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07.36.53 #       <Angel_of_Death> Paul_The_Nerd, thats the page im looking at
07.37.10 #       <sayocean> damn
07.37.21 #       <sayocean> im 10 secs removed from uninstalling rockbox again
07.37.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Angel_of_Death: You simply run doom from the browse plugins menu...
07.37.54 #       <Angel_of_Death> do you need a recent CVS build?
07.38.44 #       <sayocean> the pausing is driving me mad
07.38.50 #       <sayocean> reminds me of a shitty philips mp3 player i used to have
07.38.56 #       <Galois> sayocean: did you change the theme?
07.39.12 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> This may be a stupid question, but...does anybody in here know how to make Rockbox (for the iriver) not immediately jump to the next track whenever I insert or queue something into the current playlist?
07.39.12 #       <sayocean> yeh 
07.39.17 #       <sayocean> im using danicing duo
07.39.23 #       <sayocean> galois, what would u recommend?
07.39.38 #       <sayocean> if i can get the rockbox to play mp3s without pausing, i would be the happiest guy
07.39.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Angel_of_Death: fairly recent, I suppose.
07.39.41 #       <sayocean> such promise
07.39.50 #       <sayocean> but too buggy for my taste
07.39.50 #       <Galois> sayocean hold on I'm building right now
07.39.53 #       <Angel_of_Death> mines from march 3rd, im downloading a new build now
07.40.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FlyingSaucrDude: Upgrade to the newest bleeding edge. It's a bug
07.40.31 #       <sayocean> and the "stock" wps files that came with the zip file are all out of proportion and looks un-aligned with the ipod screen dimensions :(
07.40.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Well, try using a non-animated WPS
07.40.45 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> I'll give it a shot -- thanks!
07.41.18 #       <Angel_of_Death> yes all the stock wps files are out of proportion, they are for the color and 4g 
07.41.52 #       <Angel_of_Death> i can send u my wps if u want.... its fairly nice and album art will work if the art is 100x100
07.42.37 #       <Galois> sayocean ipodvol works for me
07.42.40 #       <sayocean> yeh i just changed to that
07.42.41 #       <essoe> how do you bookmark the currently playing track?
07.42.43 #       <sayocean> but now it just froze on me
07.42.49 #       <sayocean> damn
07.43.01 #       <Galois> or boxes
07.43.11 #       <sayocean> you guys with the ipods, does it freeze up a lot?
07.43.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Are you using the bleeding edge?
07.43.28 #       <sayocean> rockbox-ipodvideo-20060409
07.43.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It doesn't normally freeze a lot, but there have been some recent bugs that have just been ironed out in the last day or two.
07.43.31 #       <sayocean> im using that one
07.43.38 #       <sayocean> rockbox-ipodvideo-20060409
07.43.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Well, that's not a bleeding edge.
07.43.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Let alone THE bleeding edge.
07.44.00 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> How does one get THE bleeding edge?
07.44.00 #       <Angel_of_Death> my iPod doesnt freeze...ever
07.44.10 #       <sayocean> damn
07.44.11 #       <Angel_of_Death> used to with apple firmware tho....
07.44.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Click the "CVS Build" link on the page.
07.44.21 #       <sayocean> appple firmware never froze on me
07.44.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Apple firmware skipped on VBR MP3s for me, where Rockbox doesn't
07.44.46 #       <Galois> I can get as far as the doom intro screen but after that it "Data abort"s
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07.45.00 #       <Angel_of_Death> apple firmware changed the volume constantly with VBR files
07.45.01 #       <sayocean> paul
07.45.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Galois: how new of a version of Rockbox are  you running?
07.45.02 #       <sayocean> im there
07.45.04 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> Gotcha...didn't realize it had to be still-gushing-blood-bleeding -- thanks again!
07.45.07 #       <sayocean> now what?
07.45.18 #       <Galois> I built rockbox 5 minutes ago
07.45.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: See the section labelled "Bleeding Edge Builds?" Look for your player there...
07.45.47 #       <sayocean> got it
07.45.48 #       <sayocean> thanks
07.45.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Galois: Odd. Are you playing just a retail, or with an add-on?
07.46.03 #       <Galois> I just reset and ran it again, and now doom works
07.46.10 #       <Galois> shareware version
07.46.21 #       <Angel_of_Death> i'm in doom and i just hit PLAY GAME and its playing for me lol? what?
07.46.24 #       <sayocean> so frustrating
07.46.25 #       <Angel_of_Death> i cant actually play
07.46.30 #       <Angel_of_Death> computer is playing
07.46.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, if you take too long to start it goes into a demo
07.46.55 #       <sayocean> paul
07.47.03 #       <sayocean> do i just replace the .rockbox and rockbox.ipod file 
07.47.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
07.47.09 #       <sayocean> in the ipod root directory?
07.47.18 #       <sayocean> easy as 1 - 2- 3 correct?
07.47.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Easy as 1 2 3
07.47.42 #       <Galois> but I think ipod doom is silly, so I don't really care if it works or not
07.47.44 #       <sayocean> heh
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07.47.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Galois: iRiver H120 doom is sillier.
07.48.39 #       <sayocean> i really hope the bleeding edge works ok for me :(
07.48.55 #       <Angel_of_Death> pfft!! i do!
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07.49.29 #       <Angel_of_Death> why isn't there sound?
07.49.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There should be some sound effects.
07.49.52 #       <Angel_of_Death> it seems pretty silent
07.49.57 #       * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs
07.50.03 #       <Angel_of_Death> is sound something i gotta turn on?
07.50.11 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> Paul: The bleeding edge didn't seem to do it (it still immediately skips to the next track in the playlist whenever I insert or queue a track)...since you seem to be pretty knowledgeable, do you know if this is a known bug?
07.50.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FlyingSaucrDude: Definitely a known bug. Let me verify whether it's still happening
07.50.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> how do i exit doom? without rebooting the iPod?
07.50.56 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> Paul: k, I'll be here.  Thanks again for your help!
07.51.12 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> Paul: (And let me know if you need anymore info on my system, etc.)
07.53.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FlyingSaucrDude: Are you 100% sure you got a bleeding edge, and not a daily (it should be named just rockbox.zip, no date)
07.53.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And that you copied both the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder to your player.
07.53.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just double checked, and the bug is cleared up in the newest builds
07.53.43 #       <sayocean> UGHHh
07.53.46 #       <sayocean> its actually worse now
07.53.49 #       <sayocean> with the bleeding edge
07.53.58 #       <sayocean> its pausing every 3-5 seconds it seems
07.54.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What bitrate are your MP3s?
07.54.34 #       <sayocean> VBR
07.54.40 #       <sayocean> im using iAMP as wps
07.54.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, but what does rockbox say they're approximating to?
07.54.46 #       <Angel_of_Death> i use OGG
07.55.05 #       <FlyingSaucrDude> Paul_The_Nerd: OK, I'm a retard...you're right.  I didn't realize that I had to power cycle the unit -- I figured that it would reload everything after I unplugged the USB connection.
07.55.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> VBR can mean anything from "16-32kbps" to "256-320kbps"
07.55.14 #       <sayocean> 226 kbps vbr
07.55.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> FlyingSaucrDude: No worries. :)
07.55.22 #       <Galois> did you turn off the eq and crossfade?
07.55.24 #       <sayocean> paul, by they way, i appreciate your help
07.55.25 #       <sayocean> yes
07.55.58 #       <sayocean> you too galois and anyone else i misse d:)
07.55.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: 226kbps is possibly pushing the limit on the iPod Video at the moment until further optimizations are done. I know the Video has to struggle a little harder than the other iPods.
07.56.06 #       <sayocean> actually galois, i just turned crossfade off
07.56.47 #       <sayocean> paul do you have ur video with you right now?
07.56.52 #       <sayocean> can you do me a favor and try something?
07.56.59 #       <sayocean> with music playing, go to "info"
07.57.08 #       <sayocean> and see if it "pauses" for you as well as the credits roll
07.57.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: I don't have a video, but pausing then is not unexpected at all. I have a Nano.
07.57.30 #       <Galois> preglow was going to commit some libmad improvements today, they may help with mp3
07.57.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: At any point where you stress the processor more, pausing becomes more likely
07.57.56 #       <sayocean> i see isee
07.58.15 #       <sayocean> does ur nano freeze often and do you have to hard reset it each time?
07.58.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No
07.58.31 #       <essoe> hey how do you make bookmarks?
07.58.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If you're having to hard reset, you're not using the newest bleeding edge.
07.58.53 #       <Galois> essoe: press and hold select, scroll down to bookmarks, create bookmark
07.59.01 #       <sayocean> UGH
07.59.04 #       <sayocean> froze again
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07.59.09 #       <sayocean> http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
07.59.13 #       <sayocean> this is what im using 
07.59.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Try deleting rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder before copying the new ones over.
08.00.02 #       <sayocean> good idea
08.00.04 #       <sayocean> i'll try that now
08.00.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And make sure that you're extracting the rockbox.zip and using the ones from that, rather than accidentally using the ones from the old .zip somehow. I've seen that happen a few times.
08.00.44 #       <sayocean> paul, do you think video playback will be implemented some time in the future?
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08.00.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Some time, yes. Soon, no.
08.01.23 #       <sayocean> hopefully we'll be able to playback .avi and other formats etc
08.01.29 #       <Galois> for me the whole point of rockbox is to break free of the limitations of mp3, so I find the mp3 complaints somewhat ironic
08.01.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Rockbox's focus is improved audio playback features, so unless someone from outside comes an implements it, it's probably going to be quite a while before a core dev focuses on it, if ever. As well, for good video playback on the 5G, there's still hardware that needs to be reverse engineered.
08.02.03 #       <sayocean> i have a feeling my ipod is just retarded
08.02.06 #       <Angel_of_Death> has any1 actually played doom on there ipod?
08.02.08 #       <sayocean> and rockbox will never work good on it
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08.02.15 #       <sayocean> angel
08.02.15 #       <Galois> Angel_of_Death I just did a few minutes ago
08.02.20 #       <sayocean> you've seen that video right?
08.02.24 #       <sayocean> of some guy playing doom ?
08.02.27 #       <Angel_of_Death> how do u save?
08.02.37 #       <Angel_of_Death> or exit the game without rebooting?
08.02.40 #       <Galois> uh, hit ESC (hold switch) ?
08.03.04 #       <Angel_of_Death> w00t
08.03.05 #       <Angel_of_Death> thanks
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08.04.12 #       <Angel_of_Death> can u save?
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08.04.20 #       <Galois> I didn't try
08.04.22 #       <Bg3r> morning :)
08.04.34 #       <Angel_of_Death> did u scroll in the main menu when u hit hold switch?
08.04.49 #       <sayocean> galois, can u send me a .wps that works well with the video ?
08.04.56 #       <Galois> you have to unset the hold switch, and then you can navigate the menu with the MENU button
08.04.58 #       <Angel_of_Death> i can
08.05.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Mornin' Bg3r
08.05.05 #       <Angel_of_Death> sayocean,  i can
08.05.08 #       <sayocean> cool
08.05.09 #       <sayocean> thanks 
08.05.16 #       <Angel_of_Death> oh thanks gal
08.06.29 #       <Angel_of_Death> sayocean,  you want me to send u a good wps?
08.06.30 #       <sayocean> error accessing playlist file control...
08.06.36 #       <sayocean> thast what it says .. 
08.06.37 #       <sayocean> sure
08.06.45 #       <Angel_of_Death> alright lemme find it
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08.06.57 #       <dpassen1> sayocean: are you a saosin fan?
08.07.23 #       <sayocean> yes sir
08.07.30 #       <dpassen1> cool
08.07.34 #       <sayocean> i have a feeling the bleeding edge didnt help me out at all :\
08.07.35 #       <sayocean> u?
08.07.50 #       <dpassen1> Yeah
08.08.13 #       <sayocean> nice
08.08.17 #       <sayocean> dammit
08.08.22 #       <sayocean> (sorry)
08.09.19 #       <amiconn> good morning
08.10.23 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: As you asked last night - no, I don't think pause should be handled off-queue. Afaiu it would introduce more possible race conditions
08.10.26 #       <sayocean> so who all in here just ignores the bugs (pausing tracks, freezing up) and enjoys the rockbox
08.10.40 #       <Angel_of_Death> i dont have any
08.10.51 #       <Angel_of_Death> si i enjoy
08.11.07 #       <Angel_of_Death> so i enjoy it*
08.11.20 #       <sayocean> im just gonna reload apple firmware 
08.11.21 #       <Galois> the only time it's frozen on me in the last few days was while playing doom
08.11.30 #       <sayocean> this is way too much hassle
08.11.34 #       <amiconn> Furthermore, I think that low-level pcm should never be paused for extended amounts of time
08.11.36 #       <Angel_of_Death> thats what i thought at first
08.11.41 #       <Angel_of_Death> now im glad i didn't go back
08.11.50 #       <sayocean> hopefully there will be a stable release sometime soon
08.11.55 #       <Galois> oh and there were a few freezes during lostlogic's rework of the playback code
08.11.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Most of us don't get those bugs.
08.12.04 #       <sayocean> its a hassle in the fact (for me) that it freezes and it pauses during songs
08.12.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: The fact that yours is freezing on a build that doesn't freeze anyone else's ipod suggests there's something else at play here.
08.12.20 #       <sayocean> yeh
08.12.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Something specific to either your files or your ipod
08.12.47 #       <sayocean> i read from a forum that it might be due to the fact that my ipod is almost "maxed out"
08.12.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No
08.13.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It has nothing to do with the space free you have
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08.13.30 #       <sayocean> errrrg
08.13.56 #       <sayocean> maybe ill just buy an external HD, backup my songs there and format my ipod
08.13.58 #       <sayocean> and try it again
08.14.07 #       <sayocean> cause i do LOVE the possibitlies
08.14.12 #       <sayocean> that rockbox brings to the table
08.14.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Reformatting shouldn't do anything.
08.14.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I mean, it could, but it shouldn't
08.15.02 #       <sayocean> so pretty much uninstall and enjoy apple firmware :\
08.15.07 #       <sayocean> or get the nano
08.15.25 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol say, ur doing SOMETHING wrong
08.15.33 #       <sayocean> heh
08.15.42 #       <Angel_of_Death> just go over it again
08.15.46 #       <Angel_of_Death> and redo all the steps
08.15.49 #       <Angel_of_Death> follow it to the letter
08.15.56 #       <sayocean> installing the bootloader etc?
08.16.19 #       <Angel_of_Death> use an older build to
08.16.40 #       <sayocean> damn
08.16.42 #       <Angel_of_Death> the build i had earlier today was from march 19th and i know it works
08.16.47 #       <sayocean> i so want it to work on mine too
08.16.53 #       <sayocean> u have video ipod?
08.16.55 #       <Angel_of_Death> yeah
08.17.02 #       <Angel_of_Death> just got doom working on it =)
08.17.15 #       <sayocean> ok
08.17.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Angel_of_Death: the bleeding edge build DOES work on iPods. There's something funny going on in his case, but I don't have a clue what.
08.17.42 #       <sayocean> so if i want to revert to the march 19th build, i would just delete the rockbox folder and rockbox file and replace with the 3-19 ones correct?
08.17.57 #       <Angel_of_Death> sounds right
08.18.08 #       <sayocean> iamp wps is so pimp lol
08.18.13 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
08.18.39 #       <Angel_of_Death> if u get it working i will send you the WPS i use... its the best one ive seen that fits the screen properly so far
08.19.31 #       <Galois> I still get some playscreen bugs with the current CVS
08.19.32 #       <Angel_of_Death> any1 know of any other sweet pointless games for the 5g?
08.19.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Galois: What specifically?
08.19.49 #       <Galois> sometimes it will change tracks but the play screen still displays the previous track's title, artist etc.
08.19.59 #       <sayocean> Galois!
08.20.01 #       <sayocean> i just noticed that
08.20.03 #       <Galois> this didn't happen before
08.20.23 #       <sayocean> or its not even the right track title etc
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08.21.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's possible
08.21.36 #       <sayocean> ok
08.21.38 #       <sayocean> this is the last try
08.21.43 #       <sayocean> crossing fingers
08.21.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Unfortunately, you caught Rockbox at a rather bad time to be a new user. Some very major things are being reworked which as you've noticed has caused some problems, though it's odd that you're getting extra ones that nobody else has.
08.22.25 #       <Angel_of_Death> just try the build from 3.19.06
08.22.39 #       <sayocean> what are extra ones?
08.22.46 #       <sayocean> the bugs i notice thus far for me include:
08.22.49 #       <Angel_of_Death> oh by the way... make sure ur gettin rockbox for the right kinda iPod :P
08.22.59 #       <sayocean> pauses during songs (sometimes, not too frequent. but it happens)
08.23.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: The fact that you get freezes that require a hard reset.
08.23.03 #       <sayocean> lol angel
08.23.25 #       <sayocean> since wed when i first tried rockbox, i think ihad to hard reset (menu + center button)
08.23.29 #       <sayocean> 4-5 times
08.23.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> well if ur downloading it for a color its not gonna work!
08.23.38 #       <sayocean> 2 times tonite (span of 1 hour)
08.23.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I thought you said you were getting freezes regularly.
08.23.49 #       <sayocean> hah angel, im getting video, im sure of it
08.24.04 #       <sayocean> well 2 times in 1 hour, thtas still not regular.. or is ti?
08.24.04 #       <sayocean> it
08.24.07 #       <Angel_of_Death> ive menu+ center button 3 times tonight just to get outa doom :P lol
08.24.27 #       <sayocean> another bug = when i press "NEXT" song, it will play the next song for 1 sec, pause, then play that song from beginning again
08.24.37 #       <Angel_of_Death> hahahaha
08.25.06 #       <Angel_of_Death> http://download.rockbox.org/daily/ipodvideo/rockbox-ipodvideo-20060319.zip
08.25.06 #       <sayocean> another bug = crossfade not working
08.25.09 #       <sayocean> but thats aboutit
08.25.12 #       <sayocean> angel got it :)
08.25.15 #       <Angel_of_Death> mk
08.25.17 #       <sayocean> rockbox-ipodvideo-20060319.zip
08.25.19 #       <sayocean> thanks though
08.25.23 #       <Galois> sayocean the 20060406 build doesn't have the "NEXT" song bug
08.25.25 #       <Angel_of_Death> maybe u dont know how to turn on crossfade =)?
08.25.27 #       <Galois> everything after that does
08.25.31 #       <sayocean> i do :\
08.25.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: The second or so of the next song thing relates to how the buffering is done.
08.25.44 #       <sayocean> galois, u know what im talking about though right? the "next song" bug
08.25.50 #       <Galois> yes I get that bug too
08.26.13 #       <sayocean> so reverting to March 19 build wont help much huh
08.26.24 #       <Galois> 20060406 works really well for me
08.26.26 #       <sayocean> but i'll give it a shot either way
08.26.29 #       <Angel_of_Death> well i certainly would try it before giving up
08.26.41 #       <Galois> right now lostlogic is re-engineering the buffering and playback code. He promises that the result will be an improvement :)
08.27.01 #       <sayocean> angel, wanna send over the wps ?
08.27.05 #       <sayocean> iAmp looks VERY nice
08.27.10 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
08.27.18 #       <Angel_of_Death> it just looks like another computer winamp look alike
08.27.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: If all the other bugs weren't there but the NEXT one, would that still send you back to Apple? Because if a minor thing like that is enough to have you leave, you should probably vamoos until it's "released."
08.27.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: It *is* still under development for iPod, remember.
08.29.09 #       <Angel_of_Death> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/WpsGallery/Nudel_Green_5G_1_1.zip
08.29.47 #       <Angel_of_Death> (when u use it use the one without album art because it wont work unless the art is 100x100 it will just waste batery but displaying a green box there)
08.30.36 #       <sayocean> paul thats true
08.30.45 #       <sayocean> but my apple firmware is pretty nice too :)
08.31.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The apple firmware essentially cripples the player...
08.31.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's so much that it cannot do simply because Apple said "Our device shall not do this."
08.31.41 #       <Angel_of_Death> yeah, umm.... thats ur ignorance talking :P
08.31.44 #       <Galois> I bought the ipod nano specifically to run rockbox
08.32.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Angel_of_Death: Was that directed at me?
08.32.02 #       <Galois> never used the apple firmware, except for testing
08.32.08 #       <Angel_of_Death> no lol
08.32.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, good.
08.33.36 #       <Angel_of_Death> why apple made there products firmware so...limited.. i dont know
08.33.37 #       <sayocean> ok here goes
08.33.47 #       <sayocean> lets see if mar 19 is the winner
08.33.58 #       <Angel_of_Death> worked for me *wink*
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08.35.26 #       <sayocean> so far so good...
08.35.38 #       <sayocean> angel, is mar 19 what ur running on right now?
08.35.42 #       <sayocean> ah fuck it
08.35.44 #       <Angel_of_Death> nope lol
08.35.48 #       <sayocean> going back to apple lol
08.35.50 #       <Angel_of_Death> just changed it about 30minutes ago
08.35.58 #       <Angel_of_Death> but i was running it since it came out
08.36.01 #       <Angel_of_Death> with no problems might i add
08.36.14 #       <sayocean> dammmmn
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08.37.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> well i do admit at first i didnt much like it, and my brother installed it for me so i had no problems on that end.....but after about an hour u will never go back to the original firmware
08.38.02 #       <Angel_of_Death> i mean... backgrounds, fonts, themes, crossfades... games... goes on and on
08.38.17 #       <Angel_of_Death> u can zoom in while viewing pictures lol
08.38.22 #       <JdGordon> Angel_of_Death: an hour?? i havnt been back in origional firmware (iriver) since installing 5 months ago :)
08.38.49 #       <Angel_of_Death> no i was saying i was using that build untill an hour ago, then i got a more recent build
08.39.00 #       <Angel_of_Death> i havent been into apple firm since the night i got rockbox tho
08.39.05 #       * Paul_The_Nerd has had Rockbox on his H120 since some unknown time in the past, and on his Nano since about a month or so before sound was enabled on iPods. 
08.39.32 #       <sayocean> i hate my ipod now lol
08.39.40 #       <sayocean> why cant it make peace with rockbox!
08.39.42 #       <sayocean> dammit
08.39.48 #       <sayocean> now he has to deal with apple firmware
08.39.55 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol 
08.39.59 #       <Angel_of_Death> what time is it there
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08.40.08 #       <sayocean> 1:40
08.40.10 #       <sayocean> i should be in bed
08.40.13 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol go to bed
08.40.18 #       <sayocean> ok fuck it
08.40.24 #       <sayocean> im just gonna reinstall bleeding edge
08.40.26 #       <Angel_of_Death> try again in the morn when ur not anxious lol
08.40.29 #       <sayocean> and reset and load up apple
08.40.33 #       <sayocean> and just leave it at that
08.40.48 #       <sayocean> paul
08.41.16 #       <sayocean> do you think having sharepod (software) in the root directory of the ipod (same root as rockbox files) making it worse?
08.41.23 #       <RoC_MM> no
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08.41.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: There's no reason for it to.
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08.41.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Is the problem you're encountering freezing, or just skipping in music?
08.42.14 #       <Angel_of_Death> RoC_MM,  PREVIOUSLY ON....SURVIVOR!
08.42.17 #       <RoC_MM> haha
08.42.50 #       <sayocean> paul, freezing happens sometimes
08.42.59 #       <Angel_of_Death> alright sayocean, goodluck i hope u end with something other than that horrid default firmware..... better luck tomorrow eh? well its almost 3am here so g'night!
08.43.00 #       <sayocean> when i press down on Play/Pause button to shutdown the ipod
08.43.28 #       <sayocean> skipping is the wrong term. the song only "skips" when i press "next" track and it will skip for 1 sec and resume playing from the beginning
08.43.45 #       <sayocean> what annoys me is when a song pauses for a second. which happens every 10 songs or so
08.43.50 #       <sayocean> thanks angel
08.43.51 #       <sayocean> g/nite
08.44.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> aigh
08.44.41 #       <Angel_of_Death> aight*
08.44.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Well, part of that is the fact that you have needlessly high bitrate MP3s, and rockbox isn't yet optimized with libmad enough to handle them well, especially on the 5G
08.44.45 #       <RoC_MM> nite
08.44.57 #       <sayocean> gotcha
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08.45.12 #       <Angel_of_Death> whats the quality on them?
08.45.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> He said they were VBR averaging at 225ish?
08.45.33 #       <Angel_of_Death> oofff
08.45.47 #       <Angel_of_Death> i use 160 when using mp3s, but i try to stick with ogg vorbis
08.45.49 #       <sayocean> such a superior wps compared to apple.. 
08.46.09 #       <JdGordon> sayocean: u can get a boring 1 also if u wanted...
08.46.10 #       <Angel_of_Death> its lostless like a wave file but 1/3 smaller then a mp3
08.46.28 #       <Angel_of_Death> mmm donut
08.46.46 #       <sayocean> jdgordon, if its not gonna pause on my songs or freez me ill def take a look :)
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08.48.14 #       <Angel_of_Death> sayocean, you have no problem installing rockbox correct?
08.48.29 #       <Angel_of_Death> ur only problems are the *bugs* and such
08.50.31 #       <Angel_of_Death> ....?
08.51.39 #       <sayocean> angel
08.51.40 #       <sayocean> sorry
08.51.43 #       <sayocean> yeh i had no problem
08.51.44 #       <sayocean> it works
08.51.47 #       <Angel_of_Death> well, time for me to really go to bed now.... heres what i recomend.. delete all rockbox related files on ur iPod. install the 3.19.06 build.... any other problems, and ur on ur own lol
08.51.47 #       <sayocean> but with bugs
08.52.00 #       <sayocean> heh
08.52.07 #       <Angel_of_Death> that build has no probs
08.52.08 #       <sayocean> im actually installling the bleeding edge right now
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08.52.13 #       <Angel_of_Death> bleeding edge?
08.52.16 #       <sayocean> it had bugs on my ipod :\
08.52.19 #       <sayocean> so i deleted mar 19
08.52.22 #       <sayocean> and just put bleed edge right now
08.52.24 #       <Angel_of_Death> oh really?
08.52.33 #       <sayocean> yeh
08.52.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> See, there's clearly something funny going on then.
08.52.35 #       <sayocean> but im really anal
08.52.39 #       <sayocean> and paranoid
08.52.42 #       <sayocean> so every single pause
08.52.44 #       <sayocean> every dirty look
08.52.46 #       <sayocean> i call it a bug
08.52.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But your definition of problems is those pauses
08.52.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A bug is a programming error though.
08.53.02 #       <sayocean> oh ok. 
08.53.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> A buffer underrun is not a programming error.
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08.53.12 #       <sayocean> but i mean is it everyone else thats getting the pauses?
08.53.20 #       <sayocean> or is my problem something only a few people have?
08.53.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And adjusting your anti skip buffer *might* even help
08.53.29 #       <Angel_of_Death> its not rockbox's fault at this point then
08.53.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> theres something *wrong* with ur ipod, a virus or something
08.53.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> saycoean: Everyone has those pauses if the bitrates on their files are too high
08.54.13 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Angel_of_Death: No, most of his "problems" are simply the fact that the codecs aren't optimized yet.
08.54.16 #       <sayocean> paul what do you suggest i adjust the anti skip buffer to?
08.54.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> sayocean: Experiment and see if it helps at all. It probably won't, but it might. It kinda depends on whether your underruns occur during rebuffering or at some other point.
08.55.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If it happens once every 10-15 minutes, it could very well be happening on rebuffers.
08.55.19 #       <Angel_of_Death> say ocean another thing i might do, tho might be pointless, is to right click to to properties> tools> and error check it > check the top box in there but not the search bad sectors one
08.56.18 #       <Angel_of_Death> i know it's helped me in the past, nothing quite like this hto
08.56.20 #       <Angel_of_Death> anyways
08.56.26 #       <Angel_of_Death> goodnight! gah i need to go now lol
08.56.41 #       <Angel_of_Death> best of luck to u
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08.56.55 #       <sayocean> thanks
08.57.01 #       <sayocean> ok im gonna keep the bleeding edge
08.58.52 #       <sayocean> how do i get out of viewing a picutre?
08.59.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Menu+Select
08.59.42 #       <sayocean> thank you
09.02.36 #       <sayocean> one more question for you all
09.02.46 #       <sayocean> from WPS, when i press Select button
09.02.54 #       <sayocean> it takes me to the file tree.. now how do i get back to WPS
09.02.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Play
09.03.04 #       <sayocean> lol
09.03.05 #       <sayocean> duh
09.03.08 #       <sayocean> <--noob
09.03.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> 'sokay
09.03.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But this may be helpful: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ
09.03.58 #       <sayocean> for tagcache, should i have keep on disk or RAM?
09.06.14 #       <sayocean> anyone?
09.06.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ram is better for your battery life if you browse a lot
09.07.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Disk is ever so slightly better if you never ever ever browse.
09.07.36 #       <JdGordon> or dont use it.. i.e use the directory borwer instead...
09.08.04 #       <sayocean> whats that gordon?
09.08.12 #       <JdGordon> whats what?
09.08.19 #       <sayocean> directory borwer
09.08.22 #       <sayocean> browser
09.09.10 #       <JdGordon> in the file browser.. if you see the id3 info your using the tagcache. any other listing and your using the directory borwser
09.09.44 #       <sayocean> ah
09.10.20 #       * JdGordon doesnt use the tag browser so i keep it on the hdd to save more room for the buffer
09.10.43 #       <sayocean> so paul
09.10.50 #       <sayocean> eventually, the codec will be optimized
09.10.59 #       <sayocean> and "pausing" and "skipping" shouldn't be an issue correct?
09.12.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
09.13.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The iPod port is still in a fairly early stage
09.13.17 #       <sayocean> so i really shouldnt be complainig 
09.14.10 #       <Galois> have you tried one or two test files at lower bitrate just to see if the problem really is cpu overloading?
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09.14.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, actual bug reports are *always* welcome
09.14.40 #       <sayocean> galois, the pause problem, it doesnt happen with all VBR songs
09.14.47 #       <sayocean> it will happen occasionally
09.14.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But the buffer issue is more a symptom of the fact that people are still concentrating on getting all the hardware working right.
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09.16.48 #       <preglow> Galois: i was?
09.17.23 #       <Galois> I thought you were
09.17.43 #       <preglow> well, this is something of a surprise to me :)
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09.19.40 #       <BHSPitLappy> wow, woooooo! all green build table!
09.19.47 #       <sayocean> g/nite folks
09.19.49 #       <BHSPitLappy> a rare spectacle :P
09.19.52 #       <JdGordon> booo! boring green build table!
09.20.22 #       <BHSPitLappy> we should try for a smiley face sometimes :P
09.20.30 #       <BHSPitLappy> s/sometimes/sometime/
09.20.43 #       <JdGordon> in the table? hahaa
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09.22.08 #       <preglow> Galois: ah, i might, i see there's a patch in the tracker for libmad
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09.28.27 #       <midkay> preglow, i saw that and asked lostlogic about it - he said he was waiting for you to commit it..
09.29.08 #       <midkay> i tried it on my 5G, seemed to speed it up a bit - actually to right around 100% realtime with EQ on.
09.32.57 #       <amiconn> ahahahahahaha!
09.33.09 #       <BHSPitLappy> so, tag cache isn't supposed to work on iPods at this point?
09.33.11 #       * amiconn just found what causes most of the remote ticking on iriver
09.33.33 #       <amiconn> It's not the data transfer itself, but just the chip select
09.33.35 #       <petur> wow
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09.34.08 #       <midkay> BHSPitLappy, it's been working for weeks..
09.34.18 #       <amiconn> So, keeping CS low all the time while the lcd is connected avoids all the noise, but still allows faaaast remote lcd updates
09.34.35 #       <midkay> amiconn, haha, congrats! :)
09.34.50 #       <Bagder> amiconn: nice work!
09.34.59 #       <preglow> midkay: i'll have a look at it, just need to test it on ipod first
09.35.14 #       <amiconn> No noise even at 124MHz, but 360fps on the remote! woohoo!
09.35.22 #       <midkay> Bagder!!! *glares*
09.35.29 #       <midkay> preglow, cool.
09.35.45 #       <Bg3r> amiconn congrats!:)
09.35.50 #       <amiconn> Now, we just need to find out whether this is true for all ticking remotes, or just for mine
09.36.30 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: Do you have ticking remote(s)?
09.37.11 #       <Bg3r> amiconn no, unfortunately
09.37.22 #       <Bg3r> in fact fortunately :)
09.37.42 #       <Bg3r> XavierGr has 3-4 ...
09.38.28 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: You can perform a test with a slight modification to cvs:
09.39.18 #       <Bg3r> yes ?
09.39.19 #       <amiconn> Open lcd-h100-remote.c,
09.39.24 #       <Bg3r> sec
09.39.52 #       <amiconn> Comment out CS_HI;  in the following places:
09.40.54 #       <amiconn> line 146, 290, 328
09.41.35 #       <Bg3r> other places ?
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09.42.13 #       <amiconn> Then find the beginning of remote_lcd_init(void) (line 398), and add the following:
09.42.21 #       <amiconn>     CLK_LO;
09.42.21 #       <amiconn>     CS_LO;
09.42.51 #       <Bg3r> before all other ?
09.42.53 #       <amiconn> yes
09.43.12 #       <amiconn> Then boot that and first check whether the lcd updates correctly
09.43.21 #       <amiconn> Then switch of ticking reduction...
09.43.30 #       <Bg3r> ok, give me 5 minutes
09.43.57 #       <amiconn> Wee, if that holds true for all ticking remotes.....
09.44.35 #       <Bg3r> btw, my remote doesn't tick...
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09.45.19 #       <petur> it will now :P
09.45.38 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: huh?
09.45.49 #       <Bg3r> 0:37AM <amiconn> Bg3r: Do you have ticking remote(s)?
09.45.49 #       <Bg3r> <Bg3r> amiconn no, unfortunately
09.45.53 #       <amiconn> AH, hmm, misunderstood
09.46.04 #       <petur> hahaha
09.46.15 #       <amiconn> So I'll have to wait for XavierGr
09.46.44 #       <amiconn> (or Moos)
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09.48.04 #       <Bg3r> amiconn i can make these changes as a patch and make a "call" @ MR 
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09.49.39 #       <Bg3r> less remote_ticking1.diff 
09.49.40 #       <Bg3r> haha
09.50.25 #       <amiconn> Maybe that's a good idea.
09.50.39 #       <Bg3r> or even make a h100 and h300 build :)
09.50.59 #       <amiconn> Btw, this is an experimental modification. It keeps the remote lcd controller selected the whole time it is plugged in
09.51.49 #       <amiconn> It's not harmful, but it draws a tiny bit more power, and the remote lcd might get confused after a while in case there are some glitchs
09.52.29 #       <Bg3r> http://pastebin.com/650862 <= these are the correct changes, yep ?
09.52.42 #       <amiconn> If this really is the cure to ticking, my final version will select & deselect the lcd controller as needed, but way less often than cvs does. It won't be noticeable
09.53.03 #       <Bg3r> Bagder ?
09.53.11 #       <amiconn> yep
09.53.50 #       <Bg3r> of, where to put these builds 
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09.55.55 #       <petur> Bg3r: C++ style comments?
09.56.01 #       <petur> tsk tsk tsk :P
09.56.08 #       <Bg3r> petur yep :P
09.58.20 #       <Bagder> Bg3r: you need some upload space?
09.58.26 #       <Bg3r> yep
09.58.49 #       <Bg3r> daniel.haxx.se/upload ?
09.58.54 #       <Bg3r> uf :(
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10.11.00 #       <Bg3r> amiconn so, these builds should cause less ticking ?
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10.20.34 #       <Jungti1234> hi
10.22.23 #       <Bg3r> hi, Jungti1234 
10.22.29 #       <Jungti1234> ok
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10.36.49 #       <Bg3r> http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062 
10.38.11 #       <Jungti1234> what's that?
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10.38.32 #       <Bg3r> Jungti1234 do you have ticking remote ?
10.38.39 #       <Jungti1234> 'ticking'?
10.38.48 #       <Jungti1234> LCD remote? not LCD?
10.39.26 #       <Bg3r> uh ...
10.39.47 #       <Bg3r> do you have an LCD remote ?
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10.40.52 #       <Jungti1234> I have a non LCD remote..
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10.42.43 #       <Bg3r> ah, k
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10.49.34 #       <Jungti1234> um?
10.49.36 #       <Jungti1234> Bg3r
10.49.49 #       <Jungti1234> ticking is LCD remote?
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11.06.42 #       <Jungti1234> Why can't see unicode in recording and equalizer?
11.08.16 #       <petur> the recording screen uses a fixed font
11.08.43 #       <petur> which probably isn't unicode (?)
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11.11.59 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
11.12.08 #       <Jungti1234> what is 'Internal'?
11.12.09 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: The modified build should cause less ticking with 'ticking reduction' disabled than cvs does with 'ticking reduction' enabled
11.12.55 #       <amiconn> For me, this modification *completely removes* ticking even with my ultra-optimised remote lcd update, which otherwise ticks like hell on my h300
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11.15.42 #       <Bg3r> amiconn okay, more quoting :)
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11.16.54 #       <petur> Jungti1234: internal = inside
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11.18.03 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
11.18.36 #       <Jungti1234> I can't know to Rockbox to what meaning it was used.
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11.18.46 #       <Bg3r> http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062 edited
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11.18.57 #       <petur> Jungti1234: ?
11.19.03 #       <Bg3r> can someone explain to Jungti1234 what does ticking mean ...
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11.19.57 #       <Jungti1234> why it was used to Rockbox, and I don't know what the meaning is.
11.20.32 #       <markun> Jungti1234: it can also mean 'built-in'
11.21.20 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
11.21.55 #       <markun> Jungti1234: in which sentence is 'internal' used?
11.22.15 #       <Jungti1234> I don't kno.w
11.22.17 #       <Jungti1234> know
11.22.17 #       <Jungti1234>   desc: in info menu; name for internal disk with multivolume (keep short!)
11.23.48 #       <markun> "name for the disk inside the player with multiple partitions" ?
11.23.52 #       <markun> I'm not sure
11.24.04 #       <Jungti1234> hm
11.24.29 #       <Jungti1234> Understand a little, but don't understand perfectly.
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11.27.37 #       <Genre9mp3> Guys!!!!!!!!
11.27.53 #       <Genre9mp3> I just saw the post about the ticking remotes
11.27.53 #       * Bagder falls off his chair
11.27.59 #       <Genre9mp3> (in mistic river)
11.28.23 #       <Genre9mp3> I just tested the version with a H300 LCD Remote!
11.28.24 #       <Bg3r> Bagder :))))
11.28.28 #       <Bg3r> Genre9mp3 and ?
11.28.35 #       <Genre9mp3> NO TICKING!!!!!!!!!!!
11.28.37 #       <Genre9mp3> :)
11.28.44 #       <Bagder> yay \o/
11.28.58 #       <Genre9mp3> With or without the reduce ticking option....
11.29.00 #       * preglow wonders why only the cs signal generates ticking...
11.29.12 #       <Bg3r> Genre9mp3 h100/h300 ?
11.29.23 #       <Genre9mp3> h300 with h300 lcd remote
11.29.44 #       <Genre9mp3> I tested with rockbox default and with iAmp rwps
11.30.00 #       <Genre9mp3> I tested while scrolling in the file browser or the menus....
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11.30.11 #       <Bg3r> Genre9mp3 very good :)
11.30.22 #       <Genre9mp3> I had severe ticking before (especially when scrolling)
11.30.33 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
11.30.33 #       <Genre9mp3> Now, I can't hear anything!!!!
11.30.44 #       <Jungti1234> ticking is...
11.30.45 #       <Genre9mp3> Great work guys!!!!
11.30.47 #       <Bagder> cool
11.30.56 #       <Genre9mp3> I 'm amazed....
11.31.05 #       <Bg3r> Genre9mp3 all beer goes to amiconn :P
11.31.05 #       <Jungti1234> Is it heard sound when use remote?
11.31.06 #       <Genre9mp3> :)
11.31.20 #       * midkay glares piercingly at Bagder
11.31.36 #       <Bg3r> Jungti1234 yep,when the remote screen is updated
11.31.44 #       <Bg3r> this is only on some units
11.31.45 #       <Genre9mp3> Where can I send a dozen of beers to amiconn? :)
11.32.01 #       <Jungti1234> Bg3r: Is it bug?
11.32.13 #       <muesli__> i guess i will more pleased about some bytes ;)
11.32.14 #       <Bg3r> Jungti1234 it's also present in the iriver fw
11.32.14 #       <Genre9mp3> And the LCD screen responses are OK
11.32.33 #       <Bg3r> Jungti1234 so it's more likely a hardware "bug"
11.33.14 #       <Jungti1234> ah?
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11.33.52 #       <Jungti1234> Did it fix hardware bug as software in Rockbox?
11.34.29 #       <Bg3r> Jungti1234 it seems that amiconn has found the reason and rockbox will workaround it ...
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11.34.44 #       <Jungti1234> :D
11.34.47 #       <Jungti1234> great
11.35.07 #       <Genre9mp3> Just a notice....with the build with the remote....sometimes, when music is played stop (from the main unit) doesn't work (while it works on the remote)... this is a playback issue though....right?
11.35.27 #       <Jungti1234> I'm late to understand... :)
11.36.22 #       <Bg3r> hah ,.. Checksum: 4EE4 
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11.37.30 #       <amiconn> Genre9mp3: Check the 'first keypress enables backlight only' option. It might be enabled
11.37.58 #       <Bagder> I get annoyed with that one enabled
11.38.04 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: This odd 'tiny pause - play some more - stop' behaviour which occurs on stop on h300 also happens on skip back
11.38.28 #       <Bg3r> Bagder a matter of habbit :)
11.38.30 #       <amiconn> A further hint might be that I have dircache disabled (as always)
11.38.32 #       <Genre9mp3> Also....you know that the (at least for H300 LCD remotes) the buttons are not working as they expected (eg. >>/<< acts like +/- in the file browser)
11.38.46 #       <Bg3r> Genre9mp3 yep
11.38.49 #       <Bagder> Bg3r: of course, but its hard to learn when you find it annoying from the start and just disable it ;-)
11.38.53 #       <Genre9mp3> Ok....
11.38.56 #       <Bg3r> but this is a different thing
11.39.22 #       <Genre9mp3> yes I know that this is in other builds, too
11.39.32 #       <amiconn> Genre9mp3: Btw, thanks for testing. If other responses are also positive, we can get rid of the reduce ticking option and still have no ticking
11.39.49 #       <amiconn> ...and faster remote lcd updates
11.40.04 #       <amiconn> -> less problems with playback when scrolling lists
11.40.18 #       <Genre9mp3> BTW...THANKS for finding the solution!!! :)
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11.40.38 #       <Genre9mp3> I am who is supposed to thanks...not you amiconn!
11.40.57 #       <amiconn> -> and a remote grayscale lib becomes feasible
11.41.31 #       <Slasheri> hehe, soon the tagcache engine will reach the playback engine size in lines of code..
11.41.55 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: bah :(
11.42.13 #       <Slasheri> maybe time for some optimizations soon :)
11.42.48 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: Btw, could you please test the tick-fixing modification? Iirc you do have a ticking remote...
11.43.28 #       <Slasheri> amiconn: hmm, where is the modification?
11.43.55 #       <Slasheri> or do you mean the one already present in the code?
11.43.58 #       <amiconn> http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40062
11.44.12 #       <Slasheri> ah, i will check that later when i get home :)
11.44.30 #       <Slasheri> (no remote here)
11.44.32 #       <amiconn> (mr thread courtesy of Bg3r)
11.45.47 #       <Slasheri> i am just significantly speeding up the playlist creation with tagcache
11.45.47 #       <Genre9mp3> BTW I'm replying to the thread right now (Yngwiejo)....just don't count me as a second person.. :)
11.46.53 #       <amiconn> mkay
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11.51.01 #       <PaulJ> does anyone else have the problem, that sometimes the currently playing song is shown in the wps as next song, and the wps shows the the previous song as the now playing? (i have some patches applied to the source, i'm not sure if this also happens with a cvs build)
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11.53.26 #       <midkay> PaulJ, i've seen it reported in here like twice today, yeah..
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12.28.34 #       <iksark> hey all
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12.28.42 #       <Jungti1234> hi
12.28.43 #       <JdGordon> hey ho! lets go
12.28.57 #       <iksark> i was just wonidering if anyone could tell me why the ipod 3g project has been removed from the rockbox website?
12.29.45 #       <midkay> in what way has it?
12.30.00 #       <iksark> well its not listed any more
12.30.01 #       <Bg3r> XavierGr ??
12.30.04 #       <Bg3r> here ?
12.30.09 #       <midkay> listed.. where?
12.30.20 #       <iksark> on www.rockbox.org
12.30.29 #       <iksark> it cannot be downloaeded anymore
12.30.39 #       <midkay> no point in downloading something that doesn't work..
12.30.40 #       <iksark> *downloaded
12.30.43 #       <XavierGr> hello!
12.30.44 #       <midkay> nor making it or providing links to it..
12.30.50 #       <iksark> yer but the project has gone
12.30.52 #       <Bg3r> XavierGr private
12.30.52 #       <Apostle^> rockbox for ipod nano works great
12.30.55 #       <midkay> it's still in development, it's not official or supported or working.
12.31.01 #       <iksark> well i dont hav a nano
12.31.06 #       <Apostle^> just saying :-P
12.31.13 #       <iksark> i know but they had it on their website for a while
12.31.16 #       <midkay> iksark, no it hasn't. just because you can't see the daily builds of it doesn't mean all the work has been deleted and stuff.
12.31.18 #       <iksark> and now its gone :(
12.31.32 #       <midkay> it never worked, it doesn't work, we're not building it daily because there's no point until it actually runs.
12.31.43 #       <iksark> it does run
12.31.47 #       <iksark> it just doesnt fully work
12.31.51 #       <midkay> last i checked it was nonfunctional..
12.32.09 #       <iksark> i can get ti to start on my ipod and look around it but i couldnt play anything thats all
12.32.27 #       <iksark> and i was testing daily builds but i cant now :(
12.32.42 #       <iksark> does anyone else know of any other way to make my ipod itunes free?
12.33.00 #       <midkay> hmm.
12.33.07 #       <iksark> i.e. use it as a normal mp3 player just drag and drop songs onto the hdd
12.33.40 #       <iksark> does ipodlinux make it work without itunes?
12.33.46 #       <midkay> not really.. ipodlinux might..
12.34.05 #       <iksark> ok i might hav a look at that then, thanx for ur help
12.34.10 #       <Apostle^> yea i love how it's just drag+drop now
12.34.11 #       <Apostle^> ;-p
12.34.11 #       <midkay> good luck
12.34.13 #       <Apostle^> best part!
12.35.33 #       <Apostle^> how often should i update my rockbox install?
12.36.05 #       <midkay> aaaaaaaa
12.36.14 #       <Apostle^> ??
12.36.22 #       <midkay> slammed foot into the door
12.36.31 #       <JdGordon> haha
12.36.37 #       <JdGordon> i mean.. ouch!
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12.36.42 #       <JdGordon> Apostle^
12.36.49 #       <JdGordon> as often as something interesting changes
12.36.50 #       <Apostle^> lol
12.36.56 #       <Apostle^> how do i see when ipod nano changes
12.37.18 #       <JdGordon> the rb homepage shows the recent changes
12.38.07 #       <Apostle^> kk
12.38.12 #       <Apostle^> i love the game bubbles
12.38.12 #       <Apostle^> :-P
12.38.50 #       <midkay> i think one of my toes is broken.
12.39.18 #       * XavierGr is trying to not get drowned by the excess amount of remotes and cables! :D
12.40.16 #       <midkay> ow.. ow.. sigh, please..
12.40.53 #       <Apostle^> seems all freenode channels have people who are always here but never speak
12.41.13 #       <preglow> ehh
12.41.18 #       <ScoTTie> goto efnet
12.41.23 #       <preglow> does eliminating bit fields give faster code?
12.41.26 #       <preglow> i don't see why it should
12.41.27 #       <ScoTTie> 3/4 of the network doesnt speak at all
12.41.32 #       <Apostle^> lo
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12.41.39 #       <Apostle^> DALnet has alot of homos
12.41.41 #       <Apostle^> ;-p
12.41.50 #       <Apostle^> freenode is the best :-P
12.41.51 #       <ScoTTie> DalNet is homo ;p
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12.42.36 #       <drspoon> anybody been playing wormlet?
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12.42.40 #       <Apostle^> no
12.42.46 #       <Apostle^> been playing bubbles :-P
12.43.12 #       <drspoon> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5077
12.43.25 #       <drspoon> i think it needs a patch
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12.47.12 #       <Bg3r> hm, tell this in the channel ...
12.47.21 #       <Bg3r> uf:(
12.47.42 #       <XavierGr> hmmm
12.47.51 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: it really works for the H300
12.47.51 #       <amiconn> Apostle^: There's currently no dev with a 3g, so nobody is able to track down the playback probs. But it *might* be that 3g would work now
12.48.14 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: Nice :) And H1x0?
12.48.35 #       <XavierGr> all remotes I have (2 ticking and 1 not-ticking) (all H100) are clear off ticks completely even with the reduce ticking option set to off.
12.48.59 #       <XavierGr> it seems that this won't make difference on H100 units though
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12.49.03 #       <XavierGr> I will test again
12.49.11 #       <amiconn> Hmmmm....
12.49.28 #       <XavierGr> but on H300 it is really superb
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12.49.36 #       <XavierGr> I can't hear the slightest tick
12.49.49 #       <amiconn> That'd mean the ticking on H1x0 has a slightly different cause than on H300.
12.50.06 #       <amiconn> My H140 doesn't tick so I can't test. Bummer.
12.51.15 #       <XavierGr> the builds on the MR thread are okay right?
12.51.25 #       <XavierGr> I test both units with those
12.51.29 #       <Bg3r> XavierGr this post is mine ...
12.51.36 #       <XavierGr> ah yes
12.51.58 #       <Bg3r> but u can patch against cvs 
12.52.44 #       <RedBreva> is it the remote hardware ot the player hardware that causes some units to tick.. 
12.53.54 #       <XavierGr> well I tested again, no ticks for H300 at all. But the same levels for H100
12.54.09 #       <Jungti1234> http://www.viruete.com/articulos/2005/fotosarticulos/koopa/koopa%20vader(foto%207).gif
12.54.22 #       <amiconn> RedBreva: Seems to be a combination of both
12.55.05 #       <RedBreva> Just wondering if MyH140 (no Tick) might have ticking if I use a friend remote?
12.59.08 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: Hmm, okay :/ At least it seems to fix ticking for H300. My optimised emi reduction routine should help on h1x0.
13.00.33 #       <amiconn> I would like you to test this as well when it's ready
13.00.37 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: if you have further ideas about it on H100 contact me to do the testing. I have many remotes
13.00.39 #       <XavierGr> :)
13.02.27 #       <XavierGr> though it would be good to find other users of H100 units too. Because the problem seems to be both on remotes and units. E.g your fix maybe will affect some users that report different behaviour with different remotes/units
13.04.18 #       <amiconn> Yes.
13.05.21 #       <amiconn> I'll incorporate the /CS fix for all irivers, as it eliminates one potential source of ticking. The good thing is that it doesn't slow down anything,
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13.06.12 #       <amiconn> If a unit still ticks with the /CS fix, we need to keep the 'reduce ticking option'. I hope that my modified emi reduction works better than the one in cvs
13.08.13 #       <XavierGr> also it is very stange that I take the opposite findings from you amiconn. 1 of my H100 remotes tick on H100 unit while it doesn't on the H300 unit. You say that you get the opposite.
13.08.26 #       <amiconn> yes
13.09.59 #       <amiconn> I have a theory, but first I have a question: The remotes that tick on H300 for you - do they tick on all H300s you have access to?
13.11.02 #       <XavierGr> I only have 1 H300 unit
13.11.34 #       <XavierGr> Summing up I have: 1 H100 unit. 1 H300 unit
13.11.42 #       <XavierGr> 3 H100 remotes
13.11.52 #       <XavierGr> 1 H300 LCD-less remote
13.11.54 #       <petur> I wonder if I should get a h300 remote lcd+joystick for $59 + $14.50 shiiping - good price?
13.11.57 #       <amiconn> Hmm. I thought you said something about a friend with a H300...
13.12.56 #       <XavierGr> my cousin has an H300 unit with an H300 LCD-remote. He reports that you fix works like a charm 
13.13.06 #       <XavierGr> you = your
13.13.12 #       <amiconn> Anyway, my theory is that ticking on H300 is caused by bad shielding of /CS in the remote (cable?), so a remote that ticks on one H300 will tick on all of them (and probably H1x0 too, in which case my fix should fix the prob)
13.13.23 #       <XavierGr> but he lives in Athnes so I can't test
13.14.16 #       <XavierGr> maybe he will get here in Easter. Then I could conduct some more tests
13.14.56 #       <amiconn> But the (other kind of) ticking on H1x0 is caused by bad grounding in the unit, i.e. depends on the unit, not the remote
13.15.46 #       <amiconn> To sum up: H300 ticking depends on the remote, i.e. a remote that does tick on one H300 will tick on all of them (but my fix will fix this once and for all)
13.16.26 #       <amiconn> H1x0 ticking depends on the main unit (and the remote), i.e. a main unit that has remote ticking has it with all remotes
13.16.34 #       <Genre9mp3> Yes! :) Next week I'm coming to Crete! Will have some testing there with the remotes
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13.16.57 #       <amiconn> (the remote as a potential second cause will be eliminated by my fix)
13.18.00 #       <ThatThereSome1> Hey
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13.34.18 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: 'no thanks' for finally breaking rombox for fmrecorder and recorder v2 :-(
13.34.34 #       <amiconn> "Output is 232 bytes larger than max (233456)
13.34.34 #       <amiconn> removing UCL file again, making it a fake one 
13.36.02 #       <Slasheri> oh :/
13.36.45 #       <Slasheri> hmm.. i still hadn't applied the suggested tagcache code size optimizations..
13.37.02 #       <Slasheri> there was a patch somewhere and it should free ~1k
13.37.10 #       <Bg3r> amiconn as a fat "guru":) what would be the drawbacks if i make a 75GB FAT32 with 4k cluster size ?
13.37.41 #       <amiconn> Ugh
13.38.01 #       <amiconn> The result is a huge fat that makes file access very slow
13.38.21 #       <amiconn> Why would you want that?
13.39.01 #       <Bg3r> i don't want it, just the default cluster size of mkdosfs seems to be 4k ...
13.39.59 #       <amiconn> The recommended cluster size for >32GB FAT32 partitions is 32k
13.40.16 #       <amiconn> (which is the maximum possible cluster size)
13.40.51 #       <Bg3r> 10x :)
13.41.51 #       * petur wonders if Bg3r is installing a 80GB 1.8" toshiba disk
13.42.17 #       <Bg3r> petur hah no :)
13.42.25 #       <Bg3r> i wish this was the case
13.42.42 #       <Bg3r> just making big fa32 on a desktop HDD
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13.46.28 #       * Bg3r sees for the first time, that FAT32 has "logical sector size" thing ...
13.47.11 #       * Bagder finds it amusing that the fat bug causes windows crashes
13.47.54 #       <Bg3r> :)))))
13.48.34 #       <XavierGr> ha, that's why my H100 could hang some PC when I connected it?
13.49.05 #       <Bagder> XavierGr: if you made windows read a dir which had files with this problem, then it could be yes
13.49.34 #       <petur> it never hung or crashed my w2k - am I glad I don't run XP :D
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13.52.56 #       <preglow> but anyone, does c compilers actually make so poor bitfield code that it's better to do it by hand?
13.53.10 #       <Bagder> in general, yes
13.53.25 #       <preglow> how is that possible?
13.53.32 #       <preglow> it's the simplest thing in the world
13.53.50 #       <Bagder> but it is also vert often due to C not specifying exactly how bitfields should work
13.54.07 #       <Bagder> so you can't map hw to bitfields and you can use them fine in unions
13.54.12 #       <Bagder> can't
13.54.36 #       <Bagder> also, when you do it manually you can avoid the bit stuff when you want to, while struct style bitfields make it used always
13.55.03 #       * midkay glares silently from the shadows
13.55.04 #       <midkay> ;)
13.55.09 #       <preglow> just looking at the libmad patch
13.55.23 #       <preglow> it's got a shitload of changes just relating to removing bitfields
13.55.31 #       <preglow> but if it makes sense i guess i'll commit it
13.56.05 #       <Bagder> I guess only a comparison will tell if there's a good reason for that case
13.56.38 #       <preglow> then i need to write a profiler parser for arm first..
13.56.42 #       <preglow> oh woe
13.57.07 #       <Bagder> or just check the generated asm to see if you can detect any notable differences
13.57.41 #       <preglow> yeah, i guess it's simple enough for that to be clever
13.57.45 #       <preglow> but first, some food
14.01.56 #       <Bg3r> amiconn are you sure that 32k is the max fat32 cluster size ? because i managed to create a 262144bytes/cluster ...
14.02.41 #       <amiconn> Yeah, it's possible, but outside specs
14.03.11 #       <Bg3r> k ;)
14.03.12 #       <amiconn> Expect most fat implementations to vomit
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14.27.53 #       <midkay> any forum admins interested in stickying a "how to play doom" thread if i make one? seems like there's just streams and streams of questions from people who aren't reading a _word_ before asking how..
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14.28.26 #       <Bagder> sure, I'll stick it
14.28.44 #       <Bagder> I trust you mean in the ipod section
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14.29.45 #       <preglow> why? doom's for pretty much all targets
14.30.04 #       <midkay> Bagder, yes..
14.30.05 #       <Bagder> because that's where all the doom questions are being made atm
14.30.08 #       <JdGordon> ah.. ah.. AH ....
14.30.12 #       <preglow> bless you
14.30.14 #       <JdGordon> .. almost sneeze...
14.30.18 #       <JdGordon> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5056 chooooo!
14.30.28 #       <JdGordon> oh crap.. shnot all over the screen :'(
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14.30.39 #       <petur> most questions get asked by ipod people: either there are more ipod users or they more 'stupid' ?
14.30.52 #       <preglow> ooh, looks nice
14.31.03 #       <Bagder> petur: they don't have any MR ;-)
14.31.04 #       <preglow> petur: stupid
14.31.18 #       <warthawg> when you play doom, how should you hold your mouth?
14.31.35 #       <midkay> petur, the ones who buy an iPod because it's an iPod (like 99% of them) = stupid, yes. :)
14.31.35 #       <petur> I guessed the latter because they bought an ipod :P
14.32.00 #       <warthawg> but, but, i was GIVEN an ipod
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14.32.29 #       <muesli__> midkay ;)
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14.40.38 #       * Bg3r just added the target ids to the LangFiles 
14.41.09 #       <Bagder> goodie
14.42.24 #       <Bg3r> Bagder , if we have
14.42.32 #       <Bg3r>     *: "PLAY = Yes"
14.42.32 #       <Bg3r>     h300: "NAVI = Yes"
14.42.32 #       <Bg3r>     h100,h120: "SELECT = Yes"
14.42.41 #       <Bg3r> this will work ok, yep ?
14.42.43 #       <Mikachu> *cough* http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/tree.c.diff?r1=1.397&r2=1.398
14.42.47 #       <Bagder> Bg3r: yes
14.43.00 #       <JdGordon> Bg3r: lookin good (y)
14.43.11 #       <amiconn> Bg3r: Yes, although I would like to switch to SELECT for ipod as well
14.43.18 #       <amiconn> (currently it is PLAY)
14.43.20 #       <preglow> me too
14.43.35 #       <Bg3r> k
14.43.42 #       <amiconn> Oh, and to be 100% correct it should be RIGHT for Ondios
14.44.08 #       <Bg3r> amiconn yep, it was just an example
14.46.24 #       <midkay> Bagder, posted..
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14.47.09 #       <JdGordon> Mikachu: oh noes!!!! c++ style comments... the source is corrupted :p
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14.48.13 #       <midkay> Bagder, thanks. i wonder if it'd be best to close it too, so it doesn't get cluttered with questions..
14.48.25 #       <midkay> unique and specific questions should IMO get their own thread..
14.48.27 #       <Bagder> I'll wait and see
14.48.50 #       <Bagder> nah, I lock it
14.49.00 #       <midkay> if anything genuine gets asked, we can still add it to the FAQ in there.
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14.49.11 #       <Bagder> yeps
14.49.26 #       <midkay> k, ty
14.50.14 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: yeah, after further consideration, I agree about pause off-queue, and to your other comment, I am reworking skip behavior so that it is less of a 'special case' than before.
14.50.29 #       <Jungti1234> hey
14.50.30 #       <Bg3r>     *: "SELECT = Yes"
14.50.31 #       <Bg3r>     player,recorder,fmrecorder,recorderv2,gmini120,gminisp: "PLAY = Yes"
14.50.31 #       <Bg3r>     h300: "NAVI = Yes"
14.50.31 DBUG    Enqueued KICK Bg3r
14.50.31 #       <Bg3r>     ondiofm,ondiosp,ifp7xx,x5,gigabeatf: "RIGHT = Yes"
14.50.43 #       <Bg3r> any corrections ?
14.51.03 #       <midkay> doesn't ifp7xx have select?
14.51.10 #       <midkay> and the X5 does too.
14.51.12 #       <Bg3r> midkay maybe, but ..
14.51.20 #       <Bg3r> #elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IAUDIO_X5_PAD)
14.51.21 #       <Bg3r> #define YESNO_OK       BUTTON_RIGHT
14.51.29 #       <midkay> maybe that's not how it currently works, but for consistency that should probably be changed..
14.51.36 #       <Bg3r> #elif (CONFIG_KEYPAD == IRIVER_IFP7XX_PAD)
14.51.37 #       <Bg3r> #define YESNO_OK       BUTTON_RIGHT
14.51.58 #       <midkay> any reason it's like that, anyone?
14.52.04 #       <Jungti1234> Why does 'Rockbox info' have limit of number of character?
14.52.28 #       <Bagder> the x5 keys are pretty much set at random
14.52.43 #       <Bg3r> Bagder still ?
14.52.48 #       <midkay> Bagder, haha. it'd be funny to actually use rand() to generate them.. :)
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14.52.57 #       <Bg3r> lol
14.53.01 #       <Bagder> Bg3r: not much has happened to them since
14.53.04 #       <midkay> well, my vote goes to "change to select"..
14.53.54 #       <JdGordon> has there been any word on when the cvs builds will put the rockbox.* file int eh .rockbox folder?
14.54.34 #       <Bg3r> JdGordon i asked linus some time ago ...
14.54.46 #       <JdGordon> .. and?
14.54.52 #       <Bg3r> and it's planned for the 3.0 
14.54.58 #       <JdGordon> ok
14.55.18 #       <Jungti1234> hey.... http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/infolimit.PNG
14.55.28 #       <Bg3r> (at least if we remind him;))
14.56.48 #       <Mikachu> that would require reflashing, wouldn't it?
14.57.06 #       <petur> nope
14.57.07 #       <Mikachu> for devices that need flashing
14.57.26 #       <Bg3r> Mikachu iirc the bootloader first searches in the .rockbox dir
14.57.30 #       <Bagder> its been supported by the bootloader for a while
14.57.34 #       <Mikachu> ah, okay
14.57.50 #       <Rick> Jungti1234: cool :)
14.58.14 #       <Jungti1234> heh
14.58.25 #       <Jungti1234> Can it be fixed?
14.58.36 #       <Rick> oh
14.58.38 #       <Rick> I see the bug now
14.58.46 #       <Rick> didn't notice it before
14.59.01 #       <Jungti1234> LANG_BATTERY_TIME, LANG_DISK_SIZE_INFO, LANG_DISK_FREE_INFO
14.59.02 #       <Mikachu> heh, i moved rockbox.ipod in rockbox, it worked fine
14.59.04 #       <Jungti1234> all have problem
14.59.08 #       <Mikachu> haven't tried the copy/paste stuff before
15.01.08 #       <Bg3r> any1 against increasing the temp buffers @ line 80 in main_menu.c from 32 bytes to ... huh.. ?
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15.05.31 #       <ep0ch> my little test with the libmad patch showed no performance boost on 5g :( time for a test on ihp
15.06.30 #       <Bg3r> Bagder so, Select = yes (for x5) ?
15.06.44 #       <Bagder> I don't know
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15.06.50 #       <Mikachu> i don't like confirm being the same as selecting things from the menu
15.06.56 #       <Mikachu> especially for delete
15.07.01 #       <Bg3r> i know less than u :) i don't have x5
15.07.10 #       <Bagder> well, I _have_ one
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15.07.24 #       <Bg3r> yes, that's why i'm asking u ;)
15.07.25 #       <Bagder> but I don't even know when I'd select yes ;-)
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15.09.16 #       <Moos> currently way is good, right click joystick for yes, better than select imho
15.09.42 #       <Moos> but din't find out how to use the vkeybord yet : )
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15.15.02 #       <ep0ch> lostlogic: i'm just doing a quick mp3 boost ratio test on my ihp, i believe your changes have reduced the boost ratio of one of my mp3s from 10% to 4%
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15.15.36 #       <Bg3r> hehe
15.15.39 #       <Bagder> wow
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15.15.53 #       <Bg3r> good to hear
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15.20.21 #       <ep0ch> and with the libmad patch the same file has no boost at all! 
15.20.55 #       <ep0ch> thats a 199 kbps mp3
15.21.21 #       <Bagder> that's pretty impressive
15.21.45 #       <ep0ch> yeha i'll see if i have some higher bitrate mp3s....
15.23.26 #       <midkay> ep0ch, which of lostlogic's changes do you mean?
15.23.39 #       <midkay> all his playback reworking?
15.23.42 #       <ep0ch> yes
15.23.50 #       <midkay> aha, interesting..
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15.30.59 #       <ep0ch> 320 kbps file used 1% boost ratio
15.31.07 #       <petur> wow
15.31.31 #       <ep0ch> now the interesting thing is my mp1 file plays without boost, but mp2 uses 50% :s
15.32.00 #       <ep0ch> (ps this is on ihp not ipod)
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15.37.02 #       <Bagder> Need to get 330MB of archives.
15.37.02 #       <Bagder> After unpacking 28.5MB of additional disk space will be used.
15.37.04 #       <Bagder> wooo
15.37.38 #       <ashridah> lucky you
15.37.43 #       <Jungti1234> Rick: Solved problem.
15.38.11 #       <ashridah> 720 upgraded, 142 newly installed, 28 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
15.38.11 #       <ashridah> Need to get 439MB of archives.
15.38.11 #       <ashridah> After unpacking 143MB of additional disk space will be used.
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15.38.12 #       <ashridah> :)
15.38.31 #       <ashridah> (it's actually a stable box faced with a 'testing' upgrade, but i'm not going to put it through that atm
15.39.50 #       <Bagder> hehe
15.39.59 #       <Bagder> I'm just a few weeks behind on unstable
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15.40.51 #       <ashridah> nevermind that just booting it is going to be a chore thanks to it being impossible for me to builda kernel with the new SATA controller supported right now
15.41.00 #       <ashridah> might have to use a boot cd
15.42.31 #       * warthawg looks around for other devices to install linux on
15.45.04 #       <ashridah> anyway. 
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15.50.14 #       <Jungti1234> Rick?
15.50.28 #       <Jungti1234> Bg3r?
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15.56.39 #       <linuxstb> Bg3r: It seems others disagree, but I would argue for the YES/NO buttons to be different to the SELECT button.  It seems much safer to have a different button to confirm a dangerous action than is used to bring up the confirmation prompt initially.
15.57.02 #       * preglow got bored and tried out a perceptual bass boosting algorithm
15.57.27 #       <JdGordon> i agree... and in that case h300 should be changed to use play for yes, not navi..
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16.02.55 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: There's still safety because you need to press 2 times. Having to move the finger/thumb just to confirm is cumbersome.
16.03.19 #       <linuxstb> Yes, but deliberately cumbersome.
16.03.30 #       <amiconn> On all targets except ipod, the buttons are the same,
16.03.41 #       <linuxstb> I know - I'm suggesting we change them.
16.03.43 #       <amiconn> and I never accidentally deleted something
16.03.43 #       <JdGordon> ye, but sometimes u accidently release the button and press again.. you could do something bad in that case very accidently..
16.04.25 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: If you do, I would insist on making the confirmation optional, and I would switch it off completely
16.05.11 #       <linuxstb> Well, I'm not insisting they should be different - I'm just curious what opinions people have.
16.05.32 #       <JdGordon> *cough* implement user configurable buttons for the whole system :p 
16.05.40 #       <linuxstb> But isn't there a button on all targets which is very close to select/right (or whichever is currently the button for yes)
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16.21.52 #       <XavierGr> with the new libmad I am pretty sure that H100 will equal or suprass the stock firmware battery time
16.22.13 #       <XavierGr> (if 328kbps = 1% boostas ep0ch mentioned)
16.23.30 #       <preglow> ouch
16.23.38 #       <preglow> if that is so, the improvement is pretty drastic
16.24.03 #       <lostlogic> ep0ch: good to know that it's not all just random refactoring :)
16.24.31 #       <preglow> lostlogic: playback seems pretty sweet again now
16.24.38 #       <muesli__> i had the feeling runtime has improved at all
16.24.55 #       <lostlogic> preglow: there are a myriad of stupid skipping issues, so I'm redoing the skip logic onto the right thread now.
16.25.04 #       <lostlogic> well later today any way, started last night.
16.25.53 #       <preglow> wbbbe
16.25.54 #       <preglow> what the fuck
16.25.58 #       <preglow> my disk makes CRAZY noises
16.26.29 #       * preglow decides to do some impromptu brute force backups
16.26.58 #       <Bagder> chicken
16.27.03 #       <mtnbkr> I know this is a silly question, since it looks like th FAQ already answers it, but having a real person corroboarate it will help.    Does Rockbox work on a 2g grey 10GB iPod yet? Will it ever? What can I (a non-programmer) do to help?
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16.27.28 #       <preglow> Bagder: i've acted the fool too many times when it comes to backups now
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16.27.56 #       <Bagder> the upside of having most of your content committed in CVS servers hosted elsewhere ;-)
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16.28.21 #       <preglow> yeah, i was just now thanking Someone Up There I've got all of my projects in svn now
16.28.21 #       <mtnbkr> Bagder: yeah, but can you commit all of your mp3s  :)
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16.28.32 #       <Bagder> what's mp3?
16.28.39 #       <Bagder> :-P
16.29.08 #       * mtnbkr prefers ogg vorbis but ass-u-me-d that most use mp3
16.29.29 #       <preglow> i swear, if this disk crashes before i can backup some essentials, i'll just find a new hobby
16.30.01 #       <mtnbkr> which is why I desperately need Rockbox to work on my ipos (all my CDs have been ripped and then encoded as -q8 oggs)   <shakes fist>Damn You apple </shake>
16.30.33 #       <Bagder> mtnbkr: that 2G thing is not a mini, is it?
16.30.49 #       <petur> then why the h*ll do you have an ipod? :P
16.31.50 #       <mtnbkr> Bagder: no it is a 2nd gen 10GB grey LCD model it says (c) 2002 Apple Computer, Inc. on the back
16.32.42 #       <Bagder> ah, a PP5002
16.33.06 #       <preglow> mtnbkr: ouch, god damn, you might as well just start optimising our vorbis decoder right now, then
16.33.06 #       <mtnbkr> petur: lol    I know  I know... Well, I got this 10GB model pretty cheap from a friend and I figure since its MAIN purpose is to go mountain biking with me, a loss of it due to a crash would not worry me as much as a more expensive (eg: new) iriver or other. 
16.34.04 #       <Bagder> ipodlinux can play 192kbit mp3 "almost ok" on the PP5002
16.34.06 #       <mtnbkr> preglow: yeah, -q8 makes some big, but good sounding oggs. 
16.34.22 #       <preglow> mtnbkr: yes, and REALLY cpu hungry
16.34.36 #       <Bagder> and ogg not at all it seems
16.35.15 #       <mtnbkr> Bagder: I've always got to be different. Been using oggs before most (normals) knew what an mp3 was. lol
16.35.16 #       <preglow> they did play vorbis at some time
16.35.33 #       <Bagder> I'm just reading http://ipodlinux.org/Project_Status
16.35.57 #       <Bagder> mtnbkr: well, then you should've gotten another player ;-)
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16.36.08 #       <mtnbkr> so RockBox 100% for sure does not support this dinosaur?
16.36.14 #       <preglow> oh, it will
16.36.24 #       <Bagder> at the moment it doesn't
16.36.26 #       <preglow> but we have no devs with a unit like that yet
16.36.42 #       <preglow> and when we do support it, it probably will struggle like a bitch
16.37.10 #       <mtnbkr> Bagder: well, before I did the re-ripping/reencoding to oggs I have about 24GB of 256K mp3s on another server. So, iTunes on my Apple laptop happily transfers them to the ipod
16.37.37 #       <Bagder> 256K mp3 plays fine on the 2g?
16.38.07 #       <mtnbkr> the thing is, I have since stopped engoding to mp3 a long time ago, so that collection is a bit stagnant compared to my current ogg collection.
16.38.34 #       <mtnbkr> Bagder: yeah, I am pretty sure they are all 256k... I'd have to check.  
16.38.56 #       <Bagder> just curious, it doesn't matter that much
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16.39.19 #       <Bagder> since ipl says 192kbit is "almost ok" for them
16.39.46 #       <linuxstb> Bagder: Don't forget that's with the helix decoder, not libmad.
16.39.48 #       <mtnbkr> I am planning a mountain biking trip to Moab Utah next month and would like to get some of my current stuff on this iPod, but it is looking like I am SOL - without re-ripping/encoding or using sox to convert a bunch of oggs to mp3s which i have successfully done in the past. 
16.40.08 #       <Bagder> linuxstb: ah, right
16.42.14 #       <mtnbkr> I have a question though... When I use the ipod_fw to extract the apple firmware, apple_os.bin ends up being about 40BYTES instead of about 5MB reported by the docs.   Does the lack of support for the 2g begin right at this point? ie" ipod_fw not able to properly find/extract what it needs from the bootpartition.bin of the 2g?   Curious.
16.45.54 #       <preglow> Bagder: also, they don't use iram
16.46.04 #       <Bagder> wow
16.46.10 #       <preglow> god knows if that's any better on pp5002 than on pp5020, though
16.46.12 #       <Bagder> how weird
16.48.03 #       <preglow> ok, courtc confirms it's not yet realtime
16.49.28 #       <Bagder> mtnbkr: but to answer your previous question, to get 2G support going you'd basically have to extract the proper little pieces from IPL and apply to Rockbox and get it running
16.50.05 #       <mtnbkr> Bagder: without explicit directions, that is probably beyond me.
16.50.14 #       <linuxstb> mtnbkr: ipod_fw (which is just a copy of make_fw from the IPL project) should be able to extract 2G images.  AFAIK, IPL works for the 2G.
16.50.15 #       <mtnbkr> and my iPod skillz
16.50.26 #       <Genre9mp3> Just a quick question....how the buffer is organised? Does the wps buffer reserves a part, the plugin buffer another part, and the rest goes to the file buffer?
16.50.28 #       <mtnbkr> Ok... 
16.50.35 #       <mtnbkr> I mean OH
16.50.38 #       <Bagder> Genre9mp3: yeps
16.51.01 #       <Bagder> Genre9mp3: but of course there's a whole range of tiny buffers for various purposes
16.51.24 #       <linuxstb> mtnbkr: How big is the bootpartition.bin file you extracted from your ipod?  
16.51.37 #       <Bagder> Genre9mp3: langs, fonts, wps, plugins, codecs, dir cache, tag cache, ...
16.51.59 #       <mtnbkr> linuxstb: about 32K -->    31744 Apr  9 14:33 bootpartition.bin
16.52.07 #       <Genre9mp3> Bagder: I have extended the wps buffer for my preference...should I expect any bugs?
16.52.18 #       <Bagder> nope
16.52.22 #       <linuxstb> mtnbkr: That's the problem I think.  It should be around 40MB - definitely a LOT more than 32K.
16.52.29 #       <Genre9mp3> ok...thanks
16.52.45 #       <linuxstb> mtnbkr: Also, is it a FAT32 or HFS ipod?
16.53.31 #       <mtnbkr> linuxstb: OH! UG!     I read that it should be abot 30-40MEG, and saw my 32K and READ it as MB   and though. ok, coo so far... 
16.54.10 #       <mtnbkr> linuxstb: it was hfsplus, I have since made it FAT32 so that I could get rockbox to install... 
16.54.25 #       <amiconn> preglow: For pp5002, I think 2 things might help a bit. (1) IRAM, because the pp5002 is said to have a broken cache implementation. (Broken in what way, btw?)
16.54.34 #       <amiconn> (2) We can clock it a little higher
16.55.20 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: http://ipodlinux.org/FAQ#Why_is_the_PP5020_faster_than_the_PP5002.3F
16.55.48 #       <linuxstb> (I think that's all we know about the PP5002)
16.56.11 #       <amiconn> Haha, a cache with a waitstate...
16.56.39 #       <amiconn> Now I would expect the heavy iram usage in rockbox to pay off
16.56.50 #       <linuxstb> So would I.
16.56.53 #       <amiconn> On PP5020+ it seems to make virtually no difference
16.57.27 #       <amiconn> The arm core itself is identical?
16.57.50 #       <preglow> probably
16.58.32 #       <preglow> amiconn: would you like to do some memory timing tests on your ipod? :)
16.58.43 #       <mtnbkr> linuxstb: I have to run... but when I get back I will see if I can get a 32MEG bootpartition.bin file. That would probably be a good start. :)  Thanks
16.58.50 #       <amiconn> So with some arm libmad optimisations, I would expect that we can manage realtime on pp5002, provided the gains are in the range of what became possible on coldfire due to preglow's work...
16.58.54 #       <preglow> i'm curious if iram has an effect on pp502x
16.59.20 #       <preglow> amiconn: i'm pretty optimistic when it comes to mp3, ogg will be worse
16.59.32 #       <amiconn> Ogg already has arm optimisations?
16.59.36 #       <preglow> yup
16.59.37 #       <preglow> some
17.00.14 #       <amiconn> I've looked a bit into the arm instruction set. Contrary to SH1, arm seems to be built around a barrel shifter...
17.00.28 #       <linuxstb> preglow: Do you have specific libmad functions in mind that you want to optimise for ARM, or are you planning to profile it first?
17.00.35 #       <amiconn> ...free shifts almost everywhere
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17.01.40 #       <preglow> linuxstb: synth_full
17.01.55 #       <preglow> and some other small stuff
17.01.57 #       <preglow> but we'll see
17.02.06 #       <preglow> i'll profile (and hence write a parser) first
17.05.54 #       <amiconn> Btw, with some higher bitrate oggs (dunno the -q, but they are ~220kbps) I get ~50% boost on my mini2g
17.06.15 #       <Mikachu> over what time period is the boost ratio calculated?
17.06.15 #       <preglow> ogg is actually faster on ipod than mp3...
17.06.25 #       <preglow> Mikachu: all the time you've been in the screen
17.06.30 #       <Mikachu> ah
17.07.59 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes. Wiith the same bitrate mp3, I get ~65..70% boost
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17.08.52 #       <Mikachu> so i guess repeat on a single song is best if i want to test two different versions of the decoder?
17.10.15 #       <man_in_shack> anyone know if rockbox would work on a 5g ipod?
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17.12.57 #       <linuxstb> man_in_shack: Yes, it does work.
17.13.04 #       <man_in_shack> cool
17.13.10 #       <man_in_shack> now i wish i could afford one
17.14.43 #       <warthawg> it's better when someone gives you an ipod
17.14.50 #       <Mikachu> i agree :)
17.14.57 #       <man_in_shack> that's true
17.15.04 #       <man_in_shack> but i don't know anyone who would :(
17.15.47 #       <warthawg> the company i work for made a profit for the first time ever last qtr, so they gave every employee a black nano
17.15.57 #       <man_in_shack> can i have one? :)
17.16.05 #       <Mikachu> warthawg: they didn't like making a profit? :)
17.16.22 #       <warthawg> Mikachu:  right ;)  making sure it doesn't happen again!
17.17.02 #       * man_in_shack gets hired by warthawg's company and complains about the lack of ipod
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17.17.57 #       <warthawg> i wonder what the pricing is on the other music players that rockbox supports, are they less expensive than apple?
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17.23.51 #       <man_in_shack> i wouldn't mind designing/building an mp3 player
17.24.09 #       <man_in_shack> like one that's specifically designed to run rockbox :D
17.27.38 #       <linuxstb> warthawg: I think the only other MP3 player still being made which is supported by Rockbox is the iaudio X5.  All the others are discontinued.
17.27.54 #       <warthawg> linuxstb, i didn't know that
17.28.04 #       <warthawg> i guess apple has won the market
17.28.36 #       <linuxstb> Not really, it's just that other companies have moved on to different hardware designs.  All the ipods are very similar to each other, making it easy for us to support them all.
17.29.09 #       <warthawg> linuxstb, do you see rockbox becoming ipod only, then?
17.29.14 #       <linuxstb> Definitely not.
17.29.20 #       <warthawg> good
17.29.48 #       <linuxstb> I'm sure people will continue to port Rockbox to new targets, it's just that by the time the ports are finished, manufacturers have stopped selling them.
17.30.22 #       <warthawg> i didn't realize it took so long to reverse engineer things
17.30.33 #       <linuxstb> And maybe Apple's next ipod will be a completely different design, and will never get a Rockbox port...
17.35.11 #       <man_in_shack> wonder what the most power-effcient embedded processor is
17.35.24 #       <^BeN^> XavierGr?
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17.35.42 #       <XavierGr> yes?
17.36.05 #       <Paprica> i have some probelm in vmware
17.36.16 #       <XavierGr> shoot
17.36.31 #       <Paprica> when i do ../tools/configure
17.36.59 #       <Paprica> it tells "permission denied"
17.37.08 #       <Mikachu> chmod +x configure
17.37.13 #       <XavierGr> hm file permission.
17.37.14 #       <XavierGr> yes
17.37.19 #       <Paprica> ok 10x =]
17.37.23 #       <XavierGr> OR log in as root. (dirty)
17.37.30 #       <Mikachu> that has nothing to do with it
17.37.48 #       <XavierGr> another way (that I do most of the time to avoid file permissions)
17.37.57 #       <XavierGr> chmod 777 * -R as root
17.38.08 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: don't listen to XavierGr, he's crazy :)
17.38.14 #       <XavierGr> haha
17.38.27 #       <XavierGr> Then I have all file permissions for everyone
17.38.36 #       <Paprica> haha
17.38.39 #       <Paprica> :]
17.38.44 #       <Paprica> 10x it works now
17.38.45 #       <XavierGr> ofcourse this would be quite silly if it was your main machine
17.41.30 #       <Paprica> aff now somthing else
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17.42.40 #       <lostlogic> whee, testing my first build with reworked skipping (chance of track changes ~= 10%)
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17.48.29 #       <preglow> meaning? :>
17.48.43 #       <Mikachu> should that number be either 0 or 100?
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17.50.23 #       <lostlogic> meant track changes working
17.50.27 #       <lostlogic> and they don't.
17.50.28 #       <lostlogic> :)
17.50.39 #       <preglow> hahah
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17.53.55 #       <Paprica> mmm Mikachu, XavierGr, i need your help again, it tells "permission denied" now on mkdir x
17.53.59 #       <Toni1> hi there
17.54.25 #       <Toni1> I added some measurements to my patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5078
17.54.29 #       <XavierGr> Paprica go to the whole rockbox source dir and type:
17.54.31 #       <XavierGr> su
17.54.36 #       <XavierGr> give the root password
17.54.42 #       <XavierGr> then chmod 777 * -R
17.54.43 #       <preglow> Toni1: looking good
17.54.49 #       <preglow> Toni1: but what's the (0) ?
17.54.55 #       <XavierGr> you will not have a file permission problem again
17.55.09 #       <Paprica> ok
17.55.10 #       <Toni1> only index to the function measured
17.55.12 #       <Mikachu> Paprica: you should unpack the tree as the user who's going to use it
17.55.19 #       <preglow> Toni1: yeah, and 0 isn't listed.. :)
17.55.22 #       <Mikachu> or cvs
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17.56.37 #       <Toni1> preglow: sorry, (0)=III_huff_decode (1)=III_stereo
17.57.34 #       <Toni1> so III_huffdecode can be improved more, but it needs a different bitstream decoder
17.58.10 #       <Toni1> I don't know, wether the modifications would be excepted by rockbox?
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17.58.48 #       <Toni1> but anyway, I will try for the fun on it
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18.00.24 #       <preglow> can't see why not
18.00.41 #       <Toni1> :)
18.00.42 #       <preglow> anything that works towards faster codecs will pretty much be commited
18.00.46 #       <preglow> and btw
18.00.54 #       <preglow> your recording codec stuff is scheduled for 3.1
18.00.58 #       <preglow> so we haven't forgotten it
18.01.36 #       <Toni1> ah, that sound good. I will adept the patch to the time after 3.0
18.03.04 #       <lostlogic> ok, that's weird, the first track skip leaves audio stopped, but the subsequent one works, I'm gonna hafta logf this beeeaatch
18.03.04 #       <Toni1> preglow, do you know wether DRAM is faster on ipod than on iriver?
18.03.32 #       <petur> with recording codec and agc,... coming up, would we need a boost mechanism for recording as well?
18.03.56 #       <preglow> Toni1: ipod has cache
18.04.13 #       <preglow> Toni1: and to be honest, i don't know. on newer ipods, iram doesn't seem to matter at all
18.04.42 #       <Toni1> preglow, ok, that explains, why my patch does not show a difference on ipod.
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18.04.55 #       <preglow> Toni1: oh, but i'm fairly certain someone said it does affect ipods
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18.05.22 #       <Toni1> petur: I think so. my patch already includes stable cpu clock switching
18.05.55 #       <Toni1> petur, encoder codec patch it is
18.06.37 #       <Toni1> preglow, so the small mod in III_huffdecode caching may take effect on ipod
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18.07.36 #       <petur> Toni1: you mean you monitor the ringbuffer and boost when it gets full?
18.08.07 #       <Toni1> petur, yes exactly.
18.08.14 #       <petur> nice
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18.08.52 #       <Toni1> petur, have a nice go
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18.24.47 #       <livesNbox> hey guys -- kinda new to rockbox.  I currently subscribe to several podcasts (and video podcasts) is there a good peice of software to get to manage podcasts with a rockbox player ?
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18.25.08 #       <Angel> not yet, but u can always boot into the apple firmware and watch them
18.26.18 #       <livesNbox> Angel, Yeah -- trying to figure out exactly the best way to use this thing.. I love the idea of drag and drop.. and I love the added functionality of rockbox -- and with the theme I have, it looks great.. but there are some things that are missing.
18.26.19 #       <Angel> any1 know of any sweet games that work with 5g besides doom?
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18.27.05 #       <livesNbox> Like with album art - seems like my only option is to either give up using album-art, or continue to keep 2 copies of everything on my ipod.. one in apple wierdo format, and one in normal rockbox readable format
18.27.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> nope...
18.27.56 #       <Angel_of_Death> album art will work for rockbox like it does for apple, it will resize and such
18.28.13 #       <Angel_of_Death> but since rockbox hasnt been *released for 5g* yet, not everything is working
18.28.15 #       <livesNbox> really....
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18.28.40 #       <livesNbox> I thought the only way album art would work is if you have cover.bmp in the folder with the songs in the album?
18.28.52 #       <Angel_of_Death> no
18.29.08 #       <Angel_of_Death> i have a theme right now in which if ur album art is 100x100 it will display while playing the song
18.29.15 #       <livesNbox> which theme ?
18.29.19 #       <livesNbox> nudel green ?
18.29.22 #       <Angel_of_Death> but none of mine are, simply because itunes used to resize them
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18.29.31 #       <Angel_of_Death> its gonna be a little be longer before they fix that
18.29.33 #       <Angel_of_Death> yeah
18.29.35 #       <Angel_of_Death> nudel green
18.29.46 #       <livesNbox> thats the one I have.. but you didn't have to put cover.bmp in the folders ?
18.29.58 #       <Angel_of_Death> didnt try
18.30.10 #       <livesNbox> so you just used itunes to assign artwork to all of the songs ?
18.30.11 #       <Angel_of_Death> i knew the AA was attached to each song i had
18.30.22 #       <Angel_of_Death> well i had already done that lol
18.30.24 #       <Angel_of_Death> but yes
18.30.30 #       <livesNbox> hmm.. I've done that too..
18.30.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> where they 100x100 in size?
18.30.42 #       <livesNbox> so maybe I should just use itunes to manage my ipod..
18.30.45 #       <livesNbox> no they weren't.
18.30.49 #       <livesNbox> all different sizes.
18.30.54 #       <Angel_of_Death> then they wont display on nudel green...yet
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18.31.01 #       <livesNbox> ah...  i see....
18.31.19 #       <Angel_of_Death> like i said rockbox hasnt been *released* for 5g yet, u can just get the daily progress builds
18.31.28 #       <Angel_of_Death> some days the builds dont even work at all :P
18.31.44 #       <Angel_of_Death> for me tho AA isnt important enough to switch me back
18.31.46 #       <livesNbox> heh.. i have a devel environment..  i should try that :)
18.32.02 #       <Angel_of_Death> i mean, its nice... but i will wait for RB to come out with it
18.32.37 #       * livesNbox blows away his duplicate copies of everything
18.32.48 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
18.32.50 #       * livesNbox goes back to itunes to manage his stuff :)
18.32.59 #       * livesNbox uses tagcache and lives happily ever after
18.33.02 #       <livesNbox> glad I came here today!
18.33.12 #       <Angel_of_Death> so ur gonna ditch rockbox cause of AA?
18.33.54 #       <livesNbox> no no.. I'm just not going to need dupe copies
18.33.59 #       <livesNbox> I'll just let itunes manage my songs..
18.34.05 #       <livesNbox> and then use that tagcache program to index them all.
18.34.21 #       <Angel_of_Death> oh
18.34.37 #       <livesNbox> that nudel green with the album art looks really slick.. the UI for rockbox has come a long way in the last year.
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18.34.50 #       <Angel_of_Death> it look bad on the site
18.35.05 #       <Angel_of_Death> its missing the background
18.35.17 #       <Angel_of_Death> which is slightly noticable, but its nice
18.35.58 #       <Angel_of_Death> well goodluck
18.36.04 #       <Angel_of_Death> just dont use foo_pod
18.36.08 #       <Angel_of_Death> cause it doesnt work lol
18.36.35 #       <Angel_of_Death> think im going to go play Counter-Strike source
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18.50.50 #       <preglow> Lear: yo
18.51.08 #       <Lear> Hi.
18.51.22 #       <preglow> Lear: what's the reason behind apply_gain doing so much copying? why doesn't it just do the gain and store the result in the array it's working on?
18.51.50 #       <Lear> There was a reason, I remember that... Let me think a little. :)
18.52.16 #       <preglow> the working buffer is almost always iram these days anyway
18.58.58 #       <Lear> Well, src might be the sample_buf, in which case it isn't copying. :) But that might've been the reason, not assuming src was in iram. Or maybe just not modifying in incoming buffer...
18.59.24 #       <Lear> Aiming for getting rid of one of the sample buffers? Maybe to allow "longer" loops?
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18.59.56 #       <adamdullenty> hiya
19.00.45 #       <adamdullenty> does anyone have any idea what the heck is going on here... trying to send someone a recording I made from the radio today, every single time I plug my iRiver into any PC, the PC blue screens and restarts
19.01.08 #       <Mikachu> try linux
19.01.22 #       <PaulJ> or run chkdsk
19.01.24 #       <adamdullenty> It might be some thing to do with the recordings folder, i try browsing to that then it crashes a second or two later
19.01.33 #       <Angel_of_Death> mm
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19.01.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> sounds not-good
19.01.44 #       <adamdullenty> yeah :-\
19.01.58 #       <PaulJ> adamdullenty: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40068
19.02.00 #       <Angel_of_Death> is the build for iRiver *released*
19.02.16 #       <adamdullenty> I glanced a message on one of the bluescreens saying it might have something to do with fastfat.sys, if I read correctly
19.02.24 #       <adamdullenty> hmm?
19.02.44 #       <Angel_of_Death> like on my 5g the build hasnt been released, they are still working on the final version
19.02.52 #       <Angel_of_Death> have they released rockbox for ur iriver
19.03.18 #       <Mikachu> 3.0 will be released at the end of this month
19.03.28 #       <Mikachu> 2.5 was the last release, so i'm guessing it didn't support iriver
19.03.33 #       <adamdullenty> there's a new release every day isn't there?
19.03.38 #       <Angel_of_Death> yes
19.03.42 #       <Angel_of_Death> those are called builds
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19.03.54 #       <Mikachu> a release has a version number
19.04.15 #       <adamdullenty> ah, whether it "supports" it or not is irrelevant - it's used by many many iRiver users already, and is still crashing my PCs, lol
19.04.25 #       <adamdullenty> cheers for that link, seems to be exactly what i'm experiencing
19.05.11 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol yes i know, but what i was saying was... if u have a bad build... some days the builds they release dont even work.... that might be why
19.05.16 #       <Angel_of_Death> so try an older build
19.05.30 #       <adamdullenty> ah good point
19.06.07 #       <PaulJ> adamdullenty: you should update rockbox, the bug that caused your problems  was fixed a few day ago.
19.06.17 #       <adamdullenty> cheers :)
19.07.03 #       <Mikachu> it's pretty awesome that you can crash windows with it though
19.07.07 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
19.07.23 #       <adamdullenty> haha, yeah, I was thinking that... get some of those files on a USB stick and voila. instant crashing
19.07.24 #       <Angel_of_Death> like thats hard to do...
19.07.28 #       <adamdullenty> true
19.07.55 #       <Angel_of_Death> please crashing windows is like  a baby crying.... it happens all to often
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19.08.31 #       <adamdullenty> what do you mean by the "short name", by the way?
19.08.53 #       <Mikachu> there's a difference between it crashing on its own and crashing by plugging in a funny usb device
19.09.01 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
19.09.04 #       <Angel_of_Death> well of course
19.09.17 #       <Angel_of_Death> 1, u mean to do, the other, it means to do =)
19.09.46 #       <Angel_of_Death> "Windows XP is the most Secure version of windows yet"
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19.10.03 #       <preglow> Lear: yeah, but in the process you cut everything into smaller pieces
19.10.12 #       <preglow> Lear: it also looks like you assume what size sample_buf is
19.10.32 #       <preglow> Lear: but yeah, i'd like all sample buffers to be as long as possible, so eq and stuff like that with some init overhead gets run in an innerloop as often as possible
19.10.37 #       <preglow> i'll probably fix it at some point
19.11.39 #       <Angel_of_Death> ok i have a problem now.
19.11.47 #       <Angel_of_Death> who here has played doom on there iPods?
19.11.58 #       <Lear> preglow: well, the assumption within all of dsp.c is that the count for all the processing functions is small enough to fit in the sample_buf, so it can be used whenever needed.
19.12.38 #       <Lear> preglow: at the time, there wasn't much overhead, so I wasn't worried about it.
19.12.40 #       <Angel_of_Death> does any1 know how to open the .wad (levels) files in doom?
19.13.05 #       <Lear> But if you want to change things in dsp.c, don't let me stop you. ;)
19.13.50 #       <Angel_of_Death> hm. guess not.
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19.14.32 #       <kkurbjun> Angel_of_Death, what do you mean open levels in doom?
19.14.49 #       <Angel_of_Death> have u played doom on an ipod?
19.15.29 #       <kkurbjun> no, but I developed it
19.15.34 #       <preglow> Lear: i can't think of any places where that needs using now
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19.15.42 #       <Angel_of_Death> lol
19.15.47 #       <kkurbjun> (linuxstb did most of the ipod work)
19.15.56 #       <preglow> Lear: that is, except in convert
19.16.14 #       <kkurbjun> Angel_of_Death, what is your question?
19.16.16 #       <Angel_of_Death> well anyways ive downloaded different .wad files because i was told i could load them up and play them in doom
19.16.23 #       <Lear> preglow: Which you're slowly removing the need for...
19.16.24 #       <Angel_of_Death> i put them in the \Games\doom folder
19.16.29 #       <Angel_of_Death> but i dont know how to play on them
19.16.40 #       <kkurbjun> you need to put them in /games/doom/addons
19.16.47 #       <Angel_of_Death> ahhhhhh
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19.17.16 #       <Angel_of_Death> lets see if that did the trick...
19.17.23 #       <preglow> Lear: one hurdle left: interleaved stereo
19.17.31 #       <preglow> Lear: the wavpack guy doesn't want me to remove that :)
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19.18.20 #       <preglow> Lear: if you know of a good, in-place way to convert interleaved to non-interleaved: let me know
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19.28.10 #       <lostlogic> damnit, every time there's supposed to be a codec change, it stops playback instead *mutter*
19.29.35 #       <Lear> lostlogic: noticed another thing (not quite with the latest build though): reshuffle the playlist and it skips to the next track. happened for me when playing a folder and changing from shuffled to sorted...
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19.30.18 #       <lostlogic> I think that's fixed, but won't be able to mess with it until I make track skipping some semblence of work again :-P
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19.59.46 #       <neff> good evening all - are there any current known resume bugs with the h140?
20.00.18 #       <neff> I'm having to carry a paper clip around with me again at the moment
20.02.10 #       <preglow> probably
20.02.29 #       <preglow> lostlogic's refurbishing the playback system
20.04.05 #       <neff> ahhhh - first noticed it last week - I can't pin it down exactly yet but it seems to be when I turn it back on with the car power plugged in
20.04.41 #       <neff> I shall be a patient little user and keep updating - thanks for the info
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20.12.43 #       <pill> hi
20.13.07 #       <pill> i had another hang->jump to next album near the end of the album
20.14.01 #       <pill> it's slightly less worse than yesterday where i had hang->jump to a random position in a random track in the same folder basically anytime
20.15.39 #       <Rob2222> lostlogic: Do you have a H300 LCD Remote?
20.15.43 #       <Angel_of_Death> kkurbjun, u still here?
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20.19.37 #       <lostlogic> Rob2222: no
20.19.46 #       <lostlogic> neff: try latest bleeding edge
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20.19.58 #       <Rob2222> lostlogic: Do you know about the swapped buttons at H300 LCD remote?
20.21.21 #       <lostlogic> nope
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20.23.19 #       <neff> OK - I've give the bleeding one a go and testing out on my commute tomorrow - thanks
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20.25.48 #       <lostlogic> damn thing isn't loading the codec on what should be a full rebuffer *mutter spit*
20.26.06 #       <lostlogic> preglow: I like that term for what I'm doing :-P
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20.45.25 #       <lostlogic> ah HAH! found the bugger... now, will track skipping work right?
20.45.32 #       <preglow> sure
20.45.52 #       <petur> lostlogic rules
20.46.09 #       <petur> lostlogic for president
20.46.27 #       <petur> anything 's better than Bush, right? :P
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20.46.44 #       <luckz> what is a qucikscreen exactly?
20.46.49 #       <luckz> +speeling
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20.46.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's a very limited option menu
20.47.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> usually accessed by holding down the same button that gets you to the full menu, instead of tapping it
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20.47.21 #       <lostlogic> petur: :) I'm not old enough to be president yet :-(
20.48.42 #       <lostlogic> didn't work.
20.49.00 #       <petur> lostlogic doesn't rule
20.49.02 #       <petur> boooo
20.49.05 #       <petur> :D
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21.09.43 #       <crashd> hey guys
21.09.50 #       <crashd> how's the playback on swcodec looking lostlogic ;)
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21.11.26 #       <lostlogic> crashd: coming along... CVS playback works fine, some cases of track skipping give BUGS, includging sometimes audio artifacts, so I'm reworking track skip currently
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21.11.51 #       <crashd> cool, glad it's coming on well :) gonna give it a spin when i get back to my box tommorow
21.11.52 #       <lostlogic> crashd: my current tree just stops after starting to load the next track on a unbuffered skip.
21.12.04 #       <crashd> |:
21.12.10 #       <crashd> getting there though : )
21.12.13 #       <lostlogic> hehe, yah
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21.26.07 #       <godzirra> Howdy folks.
21.26.20 #       <godzirra> Is the album art patch in the current builds now?  I dont see it on the patch list anymore...
21.27.09 #       <Febs> No.
21.27.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> godzirra: This one? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045
21.27.51 #       * Paul_The_Nerd still sees it.
21.28.08 #       <godzirra> Oops.  Sorry, I'm braindead.
21.28.17 #       <godzirra> Didnt realize it had just gotten pushed off the page.
21.29.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's a really handy "search" function
21.30.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And you can tell what gets included in CVS by checking the changelog.
21.31.10 #       <godzirra> Ok.   I just figured there had to be an easier way than going through hcangelogs for every day back to the day I updated. ;)
21.31.20 #       <godzirra> Whats holding back album art being put into the build, if I may ask?
21.31.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Having the album art stored with the metadata in the audio buffer properly, I believe.
21.33.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That and it's not even really gonna get looked at again by a dev until the freeze is over
21.34.01 #       <godzirra> Ahh ok.  I didnt realize that the stuff that already had patches out counted towards the freeze.
21.34.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The freeze is on new features going into CVS
21.35.05 #       <godzirra> Gotcha.
21.35.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> People can make all the patches they want during the freeze, but unless it addresses issues mentioned in the ToDo for 3.0, or fixes outstanding bugs it's not going to be included
21.35.23 #       <godzirra> Makes sense.
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21.38.11 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: r u around?
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21.39.46 #       <XavierGr> yes?
21.40.01 #       <amiconn> Wanna test something on h1x0?
21.40.06 #       <XavierGr> of course
21.40.15 #       <amiconn> Patch or pre-built?
21.40.30 #       <XavierGr> whatever you like
21.41.24 #       <arf-arf> amiconn: I can test on H140 if you like?
21.41.46 #       <amiconn> arf-arf: Do you have the ticking remote problem?
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21.42.12 #       <arf-arf> Sometimes, not all the time though.
21.42.43 #       <arf-arf> Or that might have been the residual growing hum after playing a lot of mpc files in a row a few months back. 
21.43.05 #       <arf-arf> Come to think of it, since I re-encoded from flac->ogg, I stopped getting that.
21.43.25 #       <arf-arf> But now seeking works in mpc, I'm considering going back to mpc...
21.43.59 #       <arf-arf> aaaaand back to lurking I go.
21.44.17 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: http://amiconn.dyndns.org/remote_lcd.diff
21.45.03 #       <amiconn> Apply this, then test a build on h1x0 with a ticking remote. I would like to know whether this build ticks more, less or equally loud _at 45MHz_
21.45.12 #       <amiconn> ...with the ticking fix enabled.
21.45.30 #       <amiconn> It should tick like hell with the ticking fix disabled
21.45.35 #       <XavierGr> the reduce ticking options you mean?
21.45.38 #       <amiconn> yes
21.45.52 #       <amiconn> It's implemented in a rather different way
21.46.21 #       <amiconn> You can also try a H300 build, it shouldn't tick at all because it contains my /CS fix (with timeout this time)
21.47.21 #       <XavierGr> ok wait one moment please
21.47.39 #       <amiconn> The 'reduce ticking' option does not yet adjust itself to 124MHz, so I would expect it to tick a bit more than cvs when boosted
21.47.45 #       <amiconn> (on H1x0)
21.49.32 #       <amiconn> YOu can try that nevertheless, would be a pleasant surprise if it doesn't tick more
21.50.03 #       <XavierGr> I test it when  no music is playing. I just get to filetree and scroll
21.50.47 #       <amiconn> Yes, that's what I did on H300 as well
21.51.04 #       * amiconn just found that his remote even ticks a bit on his H140
21.51.16 #       <amiconn> Never noticed before, 'cause it's very faint...
21.51.27 #       <XavierGr> I know what you mean
21.52.15 #       <amiconn> Wow.
21.52.34 #       <amiconn> At 124MHz, ticking is clearly noticeable w/o ticking reduction
21.52.45 #       * amiconn wonders why he never noticed it before
21.52.59 #       <amiconn> Probably because I usually don't use the remote...
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21.53.54 #       <XavierGr> Right now I am compiling
21.54.01 #       <amiconn> Maybe all (or the majority) of H1x0's tick...
21.54.58 #       <amiconn> Now it becomes interesting...
21.55.31 #       * amiconn compares with cvs
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21.55.54 #       <XavierGr> I need only the firmware file to test right?
21.56.01 #       <amiconn> yes
21.56.02 #       <sharpe> odd... taskmanager just crashed on me :D
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21.58.10 #       <XavierGr> ok let's hear. :)
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21.59.19 #       <sharpe> xavier, didst thou knoweth i got colored text output on the c64 emulator?
21.59.27 #       <Celery> Hello, my rockbox wont load doom  (its in the plug ins directory) but its stating that I have no base wads......any help?
21.59.50 #       <sharpe> are the wads in "/games/doom" ?
22.00.44 #       <sharpe> or, did you place the wads in that directory?
22.01.04 #       <Celery> i got my addons folder in there in my /doom root i got doom1.wad and rockdoom.wad
22.01.19 #       <sharpe> mmm...
22.01.41 #       <Celery> :)
22.01.54 #       <Celery> Says theres no base wads
22.01.58 #       <amiconn> Now it gets completely confusing... :-/
22.02.12 #       <Celery> Yup lol
22.02.25 #       <amiconn> Why the hell is the remote lcd faster on H1x0 than on H300????
22.02.29 #       <Galois> it's supposed to be in /games/doom not /doom
22.02.42 #       <Celery> i have rockbox/games/doom
22.02.50 #       <sharpe> shouldn't be in rockbox
22.02.53 #       <amiconn> It's the same flaming lcd controlled the same way with the same cpu at the same frequencies????
22.02.58 #       <Celery> DAMN lol lemme try
22.03.01 #       <sharpe> just on a folder in it's own on the root of the drive
22.03.03 #       <sharpe> :)
22.03.35 #       <Celery> Ok
22.03.36 #       <Celery> lol ;)
22.03.58 #       <Celery> anyone here get the iboy (gameboy) to run yet?
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22.04.26 #       <Celery> I run both Ipod-Linux and rockbox on my ipodloader
22.04.36 #       <Celery> it lets me select whichever (on my 5 g)
22.04.40 #       <XavierGr> hmmm
22.04.40 #       <amiconn> ...mysterious...
22.05.06 #       <Celery> (yay doom works) thanks
22.05.11 #       <sharpe> :D
22.05.12 #       <XavierGr> it is very hard to tell if there is any ticking with the option set to on. (but that;s the case in both versions)
22.05.28 #       <Celery> ?
22.05.41 #       <XavierGr> I think that I hear a very slight tick (very very tiny) but this maybe placebe.
22.05.44 #       <XavierGr> placebo
22.06.20 #       <XavierGr> I could say that the tick is the same or lower with the patch you gave me.
22.06.32 #       <amiconn> My ticking is so faint that it's barely noticeable at 45MHz in cvs *without* ticking reduction
22.06.34 #       <XavierGr> but veyry difficult to recognise
22.06.49 #       <Celery> anyone else run ipod linux?
22.06.52 #       <amiconn> My faster lcd update makes it more noticeabe without reduction
22.06.53 #       <Celery> on there 5 g
22.06.56 #       <XavierGr> without ticking reduction I can hear it pretty well
22.07.18 #       <XavierGr> but let me check then without ticking reduction
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22.09.07 #       <lostlogic> if an immediate return condition at the top of a function is always true when called in the context I'm calling it, is that a bad thing?
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22.13.10 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: with and with out reduce ticking option enabled I get the same levels of ticking. With the option enabled the tick is so faint that I am not sure if it is just my idea.
22.13.36 #       <XavierGr> I mean on the different versions of the firmware
22.13.46 #       <lostlogic> ZOMG it finally skipped a track or 3
22.13.53 #       <XavierGr> ah crap let me rephrase
22.14.03 #       * preglow swallows tongue
22.14.22 #       <sharpe> that's not too good to do
22.14.35 #       <amiconn> Something is really at odds on H300. The remote lcd update speed differences H300-H140 are (all w/o ticking reduction): 100:104 at 124MHz, 100:112 at 45MHz and 100:191 at 11MHz (!!)
22.14.54 #       <amiconn> That means, something is eating almost half the I/O bandwidth on H300 at 11MHz
22.15.32 #       * amiconn summons LinusN
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22.16.01 #       <XavierGr> with reduce ticking on it is very hard to disntiguish any differences on both firmwares. I am not sure if it is my idea on hearing.
22.16.11 #       <amiconn> What the flaming hell could that be??
22.16.19 #       <preglow> shruggage
22.16.56 #       <XavierGr> without reduce ticking. Again I can't sense a difference (between the 2 firmwares I tested). Though on 124 Mhz it ticks like hell. 
22.16.57 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: Your H300 doesn't tick at all as expected?
22.17.07 #       <XavierGr> hmm didn't try on my h300
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22.18.42 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: the patch you gave me doesn't change the H300
22.18.56 #       <amiconn> hmm?
22.19.00 #       <XavierGr> I mean the file the patch alters is lcd-h100-remote.c
22.19.11 #       <XavierGr> does that has impact on H300?
22.19.23 #       <amiconn> yes
22.19.25 #       <lostlogic> gah, I have a buffer pointing problem.  codecs seem to be fed themselves to decode, or old audio to decode, depending on buffer condition :(
22.19.51 #       <XavierGr> hmm let me try again something
22.19.54 #       <amiconn> lcd-h100-remote is also used on H300, and also for the H300 lcd remote. The lcd circuit is identical for both
22.20.04 #       <XavierGr> I think I did something very foolish
22.20.46 #       <XavierGr> crap how the hell my CVS trees messed up with each other
22.20.58 #       <XavierGr> all my tests were wrong
22.21.08 #       <XavierGr> that's why I heard the same levels of ticking
22.21.13 #       <XavierGr> I will compile again
22.23.36 #       <preglow> lostlogic: sounds like a heap of fun
22.23.42 #       <preglow> lostlogic: are you doing testing on target or sim?
22.23.47 #       <lostlogic> preglow: this is the home stretch, imo
22.23.51 #       <lostlogic> preglow: target
22.24.24 #       <lostlogic> preglow: diffstat for the commit that will happen once I figure out how I'm mispointing the buffer:  1 file changed, 234 insertions(+), 241 deletions(-)
22.27.57 #       <preglow> looking forward to it
22.28.23 #       * petur syncs with cvs before hell breaks loose
22.28.39 #       <amiconn> Hell already has broken loose...
22.28.49 #       <amiconn> (and no, I don't mean lostlogic's rework)
22.28.58 #       <lostlogic> ::blink blink:: you don't!?
22.29.01 #       <lostlogic> I'll hafta try harder!
22.29.08 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: with your patch ticking can be heard a little bit more on H100
22.29.16 #       <amiconn> Hmm.
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22.29.22 #       <amiconn> I wonder why...
22.29.27 #       <XavierGr> a great deal with reduce off and a tiny bit with reduce on
22.29.41 #       <amiconn> Yes, with reduce off it's expected
22.29.44 #       <XavierGr> now I will check H300
22.29.54 #       <amiconn> The lcd update is more than twice as fast without reduction
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22.30.46 #       <XavierGr> but I will test again the H100 with reduce to on. It is very hard to hear a difference. If it is louder it is a tiny bit.
22.31.22 #       <amiconn> I think it's louder as well. Have to grab my scope and connect it to headphone out
22.31.31 #       <amiconn> (should have had this idea earlier)
22.33.12 #       <XavierGr> well yes, it is a little louder at 45mhz. at 124 I can hear it clearly. (all with reduction set to on)
22.33.49 #       <amiconn> Yes
22.33.58 #       <amiconn> 124MHz is not accounted for yet
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22.36.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Preglow: You present by chance?
22.36.32 #       <XavierGr> on H300 you have enabled the previous patch?
22.36.57 #       <amiconn> Yes, this time also with a proper /CS timeout
22.37.08 #       <amiconn> Doesn't tick at all on my H340
22.37.21 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: yeah
22.37.22 #       <amiconn> (like the previous, proof-of-concept patch)
22.37.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: This may just be my faulty understanding, but with a precut of 7db, I shouldn't clip if the song doesn't clip normally and no bands are raised over +7, right?
22.38.23 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: indeedey
22.39.28 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: yes I can confirm that.
22.39.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: In that case, precut has two bugs. The first being that if precut is set to 0, equalizer settings don't seem to be applied at all. Then, when I increased it to 0.5, suddenly clipping like mad with a +7 at the 60hz shelf (to be expected) but raising it to +7 still didn't remove it. In fact, if I raise the precut to +24, with a flat EQ, the overall sound is barely softer. Shouldn't it be considerably quieter?
22.39.40 #       <XavierGr> now dinner time.
22.39.49 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: thanks for looking into it.
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22.40.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Though the latter may just be a scale issue. 2.4 instead of 24 being applied, or something?
22.40.09 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: ehh, i'll check it out
22.40.20 #       <preglow> i tried it a couple of days ago, and it worked fine for me
22.40.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Okay. This is from a build as of about 16 hours ago.
22.42.28 #       <Lear> so a positive pre-cut lowers the volume?
22.42.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Lear: Precut only goes from 0 to -24
22.43.05 #       <preglow> i'll try again, then
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22.43.45 #       <Lear> Hm.., that surely explains why I got the impression the equalizer didn't do that much the other day... :)
22.44.43 #       <preglow> precut most definitely works
22.45.17 #       <Lear> He, when I activate pre-cut, volume is noticably increased. Then agian, I only have a low-shelf filter with some boost... :)
22.45.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Odd, even with a precut of -24 I can get clipping pretty easily. Is there something else I could be doing wrong?
22.45.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Lear: Same here
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22.46.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> With a completely flat EQ, if I move precut from 0.0 to -0.5, the volume goes up quite a bit
22.46.08 #       <preglow> i can't make it clip no matter what
22.46.13 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: _UP_ ?
22.46.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> UP
22.46.19 #       <preglow> that's insane
22.46.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Like about the same as increasing volume ~8db or so
22.46.38 #       <preglow> is this with replaygain?
22.46.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
22.46.43 #       <preglow> ahh
22.46.46 #       <preglow> then i guess that's to blame
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22.46.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Replaygain and precut are incompatible then?
22.46.57 #       <preglow> i don't know how well safetydan debugged using replaygain too
22.47.14 #       <preglow> try with no replaygain
22.47.16 #       <preglow> brb
22.47.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I certainly don't mind if the answer to that is "yes" since I don't actually *use* the equalizer, but it'll be good to know if anyone starts complaining. :)
22.47.26 #       <preglow> it'd be a bbug
22.48.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Yeah, with replaygain disabled precut works a lot more like it should.
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22.48.28 #       <Lear> Hm.. Could the line with the "/* FIXME: This isn't that easy right? */" be the reason perhaps? :)
22.48.41 #       <preglow> Lear: yes
22.48.43 #       <preglow> that's my guess
22.48.46 #       <preglow> i think it's a sign problem
22.48.49 #       <preglow> but brb
22.50.00 #       <Lear> that should probably be a proper fixed-point mul (they way gain * preamp is calculated)...
22.50.31 #       <amiconn> Isn't replaygain stored as dB?
22.51.10 #       <Mikachu> 	REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_PEAK=0.46197176
22.51.10 #       <Mikachu> 	REPLAYGAIN_ALBUM_GAIN=+0.18 dB
22.51.14 #       <Mikachu> that's in ogg
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22.51.27 #       <Lear> Yes, but recalculated to a linear scale value, so that to apply it, it is mulitplied to each sample value.
22.51.31 #       <preglow> i was under the impression the value was in db
22.51.48 #       <preglow> and you can add db values
22.51.52 #       <Lear> that's the gain stored in dsp->replaygain.
22.52.11 #       <Lear> but dsp->replaygain isn't db...
22.52.24 #       <preglow> ahh, right
22.52.27 #       <preglow> then we need a mul, yes
22.53.09 #       <Lear> that's what get_replaygain_int does, convert from db...
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22.53.24 #       <webguest82> hey
22.53.43 #       <amiconn> Why not just use one scaler for both replaygain and eq precut?
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22.54.11 #       <amiconn> Then the value could be converted to linear after adding replaygain dB and precut dB
22.54.13 #       <tempel> amiconn here? i need help with the LCD iPod driver on linux
22.54.21 #       <tempel> ah , there he is :)
22.54.33 #       <webguest82> I know i'm a noob, but I don't see a readme anywhere...How do I install rockbox onto my ipod, drag it into itunes or what?
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22.54.46 #       <Mikachu> webguest82: that's not quite it, no
22.55.04 #       <sharpe> thar be a wiki off the port side!
22.55.10 #       <Mikachu> webguest82: there are plenty of intsructions on the web site
22.55.19 #       <tempel> hey amiconn, would you please come to #tempel ?
22.55.28 #       <webguest82> link!
22.56.00 #       <sharpe> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex
22.57.50 #       <preglow> amiconn: i think that's what safetydan thought he was doing, at least ;)
22.58.16 #       <Lear> amiconn: conversion is done during tag read already, so it isn't quite that easy to retro-fit...
22.59.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest82: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
22.59.09 #       <amiconn> Hmm, I'd think the tag read could be changed into reading dB, and conversion can be done later, when starting the track?
22.59.26 #       <matsl> Bagder: you there?
22.59.31 #       <Bagder> I am
23.00.23 #       <preglow> i say let's just do a multiply for now
23.00.35 #       <preglow> at least i haven't got time for any big overhauls of it now
23.00.53 #       <Lear> Well, yes, but it'd need to be converted if replaygain mode, pre-amp, etc. is changed, and it isn't as fast as a mul...
23.01.09 #       <matsl> Bagder: is there some way to find out the email from the userid in CVS
23.01.21 #       <Lear> (well, a couple of muls, adds and a shift, really)
23.02.00 #       <Bagder> matsl: not really, but I think I can assist with a manual lookup! ;-)
23.02.20 #       <Bagder> (if you're talking about rockbox)
23.03.19 #       <matsl> Bagder: maybe you don't need to I just saw someone.
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23.04.25 #       <akim> blah I must be failing at command prompt
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23.04.52 #       <akim> Drive is not an Ipod, aborting >_<
23.05.05 #       <midkay> akim, try another then.
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23.05.48 #       <|Unknown|> hey
23.05.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> akim: ipodpatcher 2, ipodpatcher 3... until the drive IS an iPod. :)
23.05.50 #       <matsl> Lear: could you also be known as learman?
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23.06.00 #       <|Unknown|> how do I add a codec to rockbox?
23.06.18 #       <preglow> what codec?
23.06.28 #       <|Unknown|> ACC
23.06.28 #       <midkay> by porting it, but everything that works or is intended to work is included..
23.06.50 #       <akim> oh lord it worked
23.06.51 #       <akim> lol
23.07.06 #       <akim> i think i still have more stuff t do -_-
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23.08.38 #       <akim> hmm so to install i extract all the files through my itunes now?
23.09.24 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if ACC is a format he's not familiar with, or a typo.
23.09.26 #       <Mikachu> i'm not sure why you're guessing instead of reading the instructions, but i don't think itunes is involved in any way in the install process
23.09.27 #       <matsl> Bagder: I lost him. learman has been updating the svenska.lang. I would like to discuss some translation issues with him.
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23.09.47 #       <akim> To install (or upgrade) Rockbox you need to attach your iPod to your PC via USB, ensure that iTunes is set up to allow you to access your ipod as a disk, and then unzip rockbox.zip to the top-level (root) folder on your iPod.
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23.09.59 #       <sharpe> i'm going to add a little custom setting for the emulator...
23.10.00 #       <matsl> Bagder: but I fail to find a way to contact him. can you help?
23.10.14 #       <Mikachu> ah okay
23.10.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> akim: Assuming you've finished the bootloader process, yes. That doesn't say anything about "itunes" though.
23.10.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Other than enabling disk mode
23.10.43 #       <akim> how do I do that?
23.10.44 #       <dwihno> Anyone noticed funny wps/current file behaviour on ipod lately?
23.11.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> akim: Right click on your ipod, choose properties, and find the setting. Then, you can access your ipod like a hard disk through My Computer
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23.11.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno: You mean, incorrect tags displaying for next song, and stuff like that?
23.11.54 #       * |Unknown| means cod3c AAC
23.11.57 #       <dwihno> Paul_The_Nerd: yeah)
23.12.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno: Known issue. 'tis being tackled. :)
23.12.21 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: AAC is already partially supported by Rockbox. It needs a good bit of work though.
23.12.26 #       <dwihno> Funny thing though :) Got me foole
23.12.33 #       <dwihno> +d
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23.13.53 #       <dwihno> Funky how flac decodes realtime at 30mhz and wavpack struggling at 75mhz
23.14.24 #       <|Unknown|> so there is no AAC codec for rockbox atm?
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23.14.39 #       <Bagder> <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: AAC is already partially supported by Rockbox. It needs a good bit of work though.
23.14.40 #       <preglow> read what Paul_The_Nerd said to you
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23.14.55 #       <Bagder> that _is_ a codec
23.14.58 #       <Bagder> just needs work
23.15.03 #       <Bagder> feel free to dive in!
23.15.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno: Lossless wavpacks are struggling?
23.15.20 #       <|Unknown|> where is this "sorta" working codec?
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23.15.34 #       <Bagder> |Unknown|: in rockbox
23.15.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: With all the rest of 'em...
23.15.45 #       <|Unknown|> oh
23.16.03 #       <dwihno> Paul_The_Nerd: Well, roughly 80% time spent in boosted mode
23.16.16 #       <|Unknown|> cause whenever I listen to music a little message comes up like /itunes/music/some number/ no codec found
23.16.21 #       <dwihno> disk reads doe
23.16.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno: But they're actual lossless files? Not lossy ones?
23.16.32 #       <lostlogic> bagh, back skipping is like a nightmare with wings.
23.16.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And bear in mind that hybrid doesn't work.
23.16.49 #       <dwihno> Paul_The_Nerd: as as lOssless as they get
23.17.08 #       * Bagder curses those winged nightmares
23.17.09 #       <akim> Hmm I put the files into my ipod G drive finished all the command stuff and my ipod looks the same :P
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23.17.11 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno:  What type of player?
23.17.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: Are they files you encoded yourself, or bought from the store, or what?
23.17.34 #       <dwihno> Paul_The_Nerd: ipod video
23.17.51 #       <Mikachu> akim: are you sure you read the instructions? are you sure it wasn't... nothing?
23.17.54 #       <dwihno> what is par y mode btw?
23.17.58 #       <dwihno> party
23.18.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno: Could you by chance share as small file compressed in that manner? Lossless wavpack should be *very* efficient.
23.18.11 #       <lostlogic> hmm, if I keep holding play while the ipod shuts down, the backlight doesn't go off before the screen clears and it flashes.
23.18.19 #       <|Unknown|> mostly from cds I own
23.18.20 #       <Mikachu> dwihno: if you turn it on, lots of girls will come to your house and party all night
23.18.26 #       <akim> bad fg reference ;p
23.18.29 #       <|Unknown|> and a few I downloaded
23.18.39 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: maybe the button driver calls backlight_on because you send wheel events?
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23.18.49 #       <lostlogic> Mikachu: good call! stupid.
23.18.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> akim: You did finish the whole bootloader process. Like, you did the ipodpatcher -r ste, the ipod_fw steps, and the ipodpatcher -w step?
23.18.55 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: depends how it's compressed
23.18.59 #       <dwihno> Paul_The_Nerd: Just compress anything with max compression
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23.19.02 #       <preglow> Paul_The_Nerd: it's pretty heavy on the cpu in -h mode
23.19.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> preglow: Ah.
23.19.24 #       <dwihno> Mikachu: that explains the PRO people joining the fun ;(
23.19.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I used to have wavpacks, but I don't recall which mode they were in. I transcoded to flac at some point.
23.19.40 #       <preglow> ordinary wavpack is still pretty fast
23.19.49 #       <preglow> and always compressed a bit better than flac, afaik
23.19.49 #       <akim> yep
23.20.00 #       <dwihno> I might up going all flac too.. 
23.20.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: Well, is it ALL of them that cause the problems, or just the downloaded ones? Rockbox doesn't support DRM wrapped music
23.20.15 #       <dwihno> people have a hard time supporting it
23.20.19 #       <dwihno> (win)
23.20.34 #       <|Unknown|> all of them
23.20.59 #       <preglow> like it's been said
23.21.02 #       <preglow> aac support needs work
23.21.03 #       <preglow> tons of it
23.21.10 #       <preglow> as it is, it's not going to be bundled with 3.0
23.21.17 #       <dwihno> what is party ,ode? less afgressive caching?
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23.21.47 #       <|Unknown|> okay, how bout has there been a fix for rockboy and the hold keY?
23.21.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dwihno: Party mode disabled the ability to stop playback, and causes an automatic "Insert Last" (or Queue Last?) event when songs are clicked on, instead of playing them back immediately, if I understand correctly
23.21.56 #       <gursikh> dwihno: makes it so you can't stop playback no matter what
23.22.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: Generally speaking, that information is available in the changelog.
23.22.14 #       <dwihno> ah
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23.22.51 #       <gursikh> and all over the forums where people post 4 times asking... "what's this new so and so...
23.23.06 #       <akim> OH WAIT
23.23.08 #       <akim> im retarded
23.23.26 #       <Sinbios> yah really
23.25.10 #       <|Unknown|> wheres the changelog?
23.25.24 #       <dwihno> aren't there any xvid plugins yet btw? ;)
23.25.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: It's that thing on the front page t hat shows recent updates, and then the link right above it that says "Changes since 2.5"
23.25.51 #       <Mikachu> dwihno: i think there is a plugin that can extract frames from an xvid stream
23.25.58 #       <|Unknown|> ok thankx ^_^
23.26.13 #       <dwihno> Mikachu: always a start :)
23.26.56 #       <akim> done
23.27.04 #       <akim> that was the most confusing crap I've ever done
23.27.04 #       <dwihno> Mikachu: without the hw chip, it'll be difficult to do realtime?
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23.27.47 #       <Mikachu> yes
23.28.16 #       <lostlogic> back skipping out of the buffer is a nightmare with wings and horns
23.28.27 #       * dwihno pulls the NDA-free specs from Mikachu's ear
23.28.52 #       <Mikachu> oh thanks, they were itching something fierce
23.28.52 #       <dwihno> Now that would be a pretty neat trick :)
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23.33.01 #       <Mikachu> hm, it might be useful to call the pitch screen from the view audio thread screen
23.33.07 #       <akim> What does, "Sorry you have no base wad's" mean?
23.33.27 #       <Mikachu> it means that you don't have any base wads, but i think it's not really sorry
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23.34.35 #       <akim> oh dear
23.34.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> akim: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
23.34.41 #       <sharpe> yeah, it's secretly giggling.
23.34.52 #       <sayocean> g'day everyone
23.35.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Man, there should be a second splash that comes up with the first one leaves that says "On second thought, I'm not sorry."
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23.37.03 #       <Mikachu> hrm, the button code in playlist_viewer.c is a little bit crazy
23.37.09 #       <Mikachu> i may send a patch shortly!
23.39.08 #       <preglow> we shan't accept it!
23.39.21 #       <preglow> your code is crummy and smells bad
23.39.25 #       <Mikachu> oh no :(
23.39.32 #       <Mikachu> well, then i will have better code than you, so there
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23.39.52 #       <preglow> always with the tabasco in the wounds, eh
23.40.10 #       <preglow> i should stop expressing myself like zoidberg
23.41.06 #       <Mikachu> http://mikachu.ath.cx/patches/rockbox-playlist_viewer_menupre.patch
23.41.10 #       <Mikachu> not even compile tested yet!
23.41.25 #       <Mikachu> but i borrowed the code a few lines up for TREE_RUN/RC_RUN/_PRE
23.42.04 #       <|Unknown|> i dont see the rockboy patched anywhere
23.42.12 #       <|Unknown|> does that mean it hasnt?
23.42.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, that means it hasn't.
23.43.22 #       <|Unknown|> will it be patched soon?
23.43.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> With what? There's not a patch available that corrects things.
23.43.51 #       <Mikachu> preglow: you're not the guy to ask about button bindings right?
23.44.02 #       <|Unknown|> idk so that the hold buitton works
23.44.04 #       <|Unknown|> like doom
23.44.50 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, for one Rockbox is in a feature freeze with the focus being on improving the program itself.
23.44.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's also not anyone working on Rockboy at the moment
23.45.18 #       <preglow> Mikachu: oh, indeed
23.45.30 #       <Mikachu> maybe i can trick Bg3r into applying it
23.46.06 #       <|Unknown|> to bad, that menu coming up every second is annoying lol
23.46.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: So fix it yourself. The source code is available, and there are many C tutorials on the internet.
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23.48.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> |Unknown|: Another solution is to simply install iPodLinux and use their gameboy emulator
23.49.05 #       <|Unknown|> isnt there gameboy emulator slower?
23.49.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "their"
23.49.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Also, I do not know. Never used it.
23.50.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> But Rockbox is an audio player firmware, so improvements to Rockboy are most likely to come from outside people contributing.
23.53.12 #       <amiconn> "too many cables error" :/
23.53.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Too many cables error?
23.53.48 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: are you the guy to ask about keybinds?
23.54.51 #       <petur> amiconn: you mean 'badcab1e' ? :D
23.55.31 #       * amiconn is trying to wire the scope to the remote headphone output in order to monitor the ticking signal
23.55.59 #       <Mikachu> maybe the right guy but not the right time
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23.58.48 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: gonna be hard to capture?