--- Log for 15.04.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 20 days and 6 hours ago 00.00.02 # Barrow-in-furness eh? Never been there! :D 00.00.21 # where you from ? 00.00.21 # I come from Carlisle, but i'm studying at Lancaster uni. 00.00.21 # ahh, good choice 00.00.21 # lancaster is a nice place 00.00.21 # ok, i'll meet you at the olypia hotel in belfast, crashd 00.00.21 # brendan_: The screendump looks fine in what way? 00.00.24 # warthawg: hey, fix the playback and i might buy you one :p 00.00.30 # heh 00.00.30 # crashd: Yeah :) 00.00.39 Quit charkins ("Leaving") 00.00.49 # i mean, i would, if i ever go back to belfast 00.00.59 # Lancaster uni makes me smile. 00.01.07 # TeaSea: you go to the sugarhouse much? :) 00.01.13 # Paul_The_Nerd, its in 16bit color 00.01.25 # crashd: Not as often last term as I did the term before :) 00.01.31 # It's strange, i've sort of stopped going out a lot. 00.01.33 # HOWEVER 00.01.47 # I am now social secretary for the theatre group, so I should be going to the sugarhouse a FEW TIMES hopfeully. 00.02.17 # You ever been there crashd? 00.02.31 # sure have, many times 00.02.41 # Awesome. 00.02.41 # When abouts? 00.02.41 # in fact, i might be up there weekend may 6th for my birthday 00.02.49 # i used to go a lot when i lived in barrow, nearest decent gig venue 00.02.54 # crashd: Ah aweseome. I'll definitely be in there May 4th. 00.03.06 # Star Wars bar crawl :D 00.03.10 # heh 00.03.12 # brendan_: Strange. Could you try bejeweled and see if it looks like it's 16 colors, or higher? 00.03.19 # brendan_: Sorry, Jewels 00.03.24 # hehe, nice work there paul ;) 00.03.31 # brendan_: Preferably after rebooting the ipod. 00.03.58 # Paul_The_Nerd, ok 00.04.32 Quit piroko ("telinit 0") 00.04.40 # Agh. Man, I kinda wish that people would stop defending the project without at least researching it first. 00.05.02 # It's frustrating reading all these people stating various things about Rockbox that aren't true, or are at least only partially true. 00.05.23 # crashd: Unfortunately sugarhouse isn't as good as it supposedly was. 00.05.28 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@222-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 00.05.33 # Paul_The_Nerd, jewel looks like its in 16 bit 00.05.34 # Saturday night's a mixed back. Sometimes good, sometimes bad. 00.06.03 # hahahah hows it feel boys 00.06.07 # Paul_The_Nerd, i mean, not in 16bit 00.06.22 # (+girls if there are any) 00.06.33 # brendan_: So, in all instances your iPod Photo looks like it's in 16 colors, but the screendumps come out in 16 bit? 00.06.45 # Paul_The_Nerd, yep 00.07.10 # brendan_: Okay, could you do one last thing then? Boot into the Apple firmware, and use iTunes to put a photo on your player, and see how that photo looks in the Apple firmware. 00.07.50 # Paul_The_Nerd, i can't seem to boot it into the apple firmware:-p 00.08.00 # Paul_The_Nerd, mayby i'm just using the wrong key, but i push menu and nothing happens 00.08.28 # brendan_: Turn it off by holding play/pause. Then tap Menu to turn it on, release, and IMMEDIATELY hold it down until you see "Loading original firmware..." 00.09.14 # warthawg: thank you for your help with crosscompiler 00.09.14 # ok 00.09.16 # that worked 00.09.24 # and all: Good bye 00.09.38 # later, Matixs 00.09.40 Quit Matixs ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 00.09.44 # anyone own a karma & have experience with wps-creation? you know what I'm getting at... 00.09.46 # brendan_: As in, an image looks fine in Apple's Firmware, or just "I got to apple's firmware now" 00.10.39 # how does the battery benchmarker work? 00.10.46 # Paul_The_Nerd, i got the firmware to load, the iamges in the firmware look like there more than 16 colors(the do not eject icon for example), but i'l try an image now 00.10.56 # angelashes: Every 30 minutes, approximately, it takes a reading and stores them in a .txt 00.11.24 # but in those 30 minutes does it do anything? 00.11.33 # What would it do? 00.11.47 # It runs in the background, so ideally you'd play music like normal. 00.12.06 # ok i got yeah 00.13.21 # TeaSea: you're not wrong, it used to be a really good 00.13.31 # crashd: Yeah. New DJs apparently. 00.13.43 # Although thursday nights are great... if you like indie music :D 00.13.45 # heh 00.14.18 # Paul_The_Nerd, i don't have itunes available, i'm using linux and gtkpod doesn't suport photos 00.14.39 # brendan_: there's gpixpod 00.15.15 # brendan_: Ah. Hm. Well, if you say it looks definitely 16-bit in the retail OS, I have to admit I'm confused. I would say delete rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder, put a new one on, and then, as soon as you turn on your iPod, immediately flip the hold switch to On to clear settings. 00.16.10 # Bagder: server problem, CVS notification message send failure, server connection refused. 00.16.26 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.16.48 # If anyone in here has good ways to reproduce the buffer fill and track change breakage, please test the latest commit I just made. I might have killed it. 00.17.41 # building.... 00.18.19 # if this fixes it, I still don't quite understand why, and will therefor be quite irritated 00.18.30 # i seeked and it skipped to the next tarck 00.18.59 # Mikachu: damn ,you biult that fast 00.19.04 # sounds like it played a tiny bit of the new point 00.19.12 # Mikachu: jus ta normal seek or a seek to the very end? 00.19.12 # lostlogic: takes only 2 secs to rebuild one file... 00.19.12 # normal seek, out of buffer 00.19.20 # * petur still waits on cygwin :( 00.19.23 # inside buffer seems to work 00.20.21 # how do you even do that? I can't seek as fast as it buffers on a startup 00.20.37 # pcm buffer 00.20.41 # not codec buffer 00.20.49 # now I'm confused 00.20.55 Quit RedBreva () 00.20.56 # there's no such thing as a pcm buffer seek out of buffer. 00.21.01 Join Poka64 [0] (n=Poka64@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 00.21.10 # what, the whole file is always decoded instantly? 00.21.18 Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) 00.21.23 # Paul_The_Nerd, ok, i removed the the current version and replacd it with an earlier snapshot, and cleared the settings, but it didn't change anythign 00.21.26 # Mikachu: only 2 seconds are, so you are _always_ seeking out of the pcmbuffer 00.21.31 # what i can promise though, is that seeking 3 seconds ahead works while seeking 2 minutes ahead makes it skip tracks 00.21.39 # lostlogic: my pcm buffer is 20MB or so 00.21.43 # ;) 00.21.46 # Mikachu: never mind you then. 00.22.00 # can anyone with a _normal_ sized buffer recreate? 00.22.14 # sorry to bother you with this, nayone using rockbox on 2GB ipod mini ? 00.22.23 # it's skipped tracks when fast-forwarding a great distance for me 00.22.33 # haven't messed with any buffer sizes 00.23.01 # infamis: so you seek forward far and it changes tracks instead of seeking to the right place? even if you don't seek to very near the end fo the track? 00.23.04 Join etherz [0] (n=jackethe@82-71-53-227.dsl.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 00.23.41 # brendan_: This is very strange. I honestly don't know where the problem could be. I mean, I'd guess it was a hardware initialization thing, if anything. 00.23.50 # Poka64: Do you mean Second Generation? 00.24.02 # lostlogic: correct; when I let go of the fast-forward button, the next track starts playing. I'll have to see whether or not I'm near the end of a track 00.24.38 # hiya guys 00.24.50 # Paul_The_Nerd, no, the 2GB version 00.24.54 # i just read about the rockbox project on slashdot 00.24.57 # infamis: kk, anywho, I'm out. /msg or wiki for playback bugs until later. 00.24.58 # Poka64: aren't they 3 or 6GB? 00.25.03 # no 00.25.04 # Paul_The_Nerd, is there any more debug output i could send you? 00.25.34 # brendan_: Nothing that I personally could do anything with. I basically serve as a first line of technical support. I'd almost hazard that something's gone wrong with your bootloader, though I can't imagine what. 00.25.42 # Polka64: Is it a 1st or 2nd generation then? 00.25.47 # 1st 00.25.54 # brendan_: is this a new problem? 00.25.54 # The 1st gen isn't supported 00.26.01 # k, thx hehe 00.26.25 # quick question, audio playback on ipods is now mutifomat with this firmware 00.26.34 # We'll get to it, but none of the devs here has a 1st gen Mini. 00.26.47 # crashd, its the first time i installed rockbox, so i'm not sure 00.26.47 # any chance video will be multi format playback on the ipod video with this firmware in the future? 00.26.51 # etherz: Technically it's multiformat with the default firmware. But we do support MORE formats than them. 00.26.51 # brendan_: ah, ok 00.27.04 # brendan_: so, you're sure you got the right bootloader AND build from the rockbox website? 00.27.04 # etherz: We don't support video at all though, and it's not likely to happen particularly soon. 00.27.18 # crashd, i may have made a mistake settings it up, but i'm not sure what i could do to mess that up 00.27.27 # okay 00.27.52 # thanks, i dont even have an ipod i just thought it would be sweet tho! 00.28.07 # great idea you guys have 00.28.09 # cya 00.28.14 # * Mikachu feels sorry for Bagder 2mbit server 00.28.15 # brendan_: you got the ipod colour/photo bootloader, and the rockbox colour/photo build? 00.28.26 Quit etherz () 00.28.46 # Paul_The_Nerd, thx for the info :) 00.29.13 # crashd, bootloader-color.bin rockbox-ipodcolor-20060414.zip 00.29.24 # hums 00.29.28 # crashd, those are the files i downloaded 00.29.43 # i dont have a colour, i must admit, but if there had been problems i thought someone would have reported it by now 00.29.52 # did you make some screenshots for paul? 00.29.58 # crashd: I'm pretty sure Linuxstb even has an Ipod Photo. 00.30.28 # crashd, yes, but they look right(16bit color) 00.30.29 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.31 # crashd: I haven't seen the screenshots, but he said they come out the proper depth, which is why I'm assuming it's a hardware initialization thing. The fact that it doesn't screw up the RetailOS makes me think it's *less* likely part of the bootloader, but that's not guaranteed. 00.30.32 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 00.30.54 # hazum 00.31.01 # brendan_: do you have a digital camera? 00.31.05 # lostlogic: skipping got worse with your latest commit: when fast skipping, WPS data is much more off now and playback gets full of glitches 00.31.25 # crashd, yes 00.31.40 # brendan_: could you maybe take a screenshot within rockbox, and take the same screenshot from your camera 00.31.46 # and then send them over? 00.31.58 # crashd, ok 00.32.03 Part Poka64 ("Parting with a reason") 00.33.52 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 00.34.04 # hmmm 00.34.12 Join bluebrother [0] (n=810dba02@labb.contactor.se) 00.34.23 # now, thinking on it, there was a post on the forum from someone who had 4g colour problems 00.34.41 # Badger, in? 00.34.42 # brendan_: are you using the current version of the ipod retailos firmware and so on ? 00.35.34 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 00.39.13 # crashd, i'm not sure, i just installed the firmware off the cd when i got it(and converted it to fat) 00.39.29 # and you haven't updated the firmware since then? 00.40.06 Quit Thus0 (Client Quit) 00.40.08 # brendan_: did you do the converting in windows? 00.40.15 # yes 00.40.19 # okay 00.40.20 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 00.40.30 # if you do it in linux and don't give -F 32 to mkdosfs, very funny things happen 00.40.34 # i didn't really convert, i just used the software on the cd to wipe it 00.40.46 # Mikachu: like, fucking with the screen depth? 00.40.51 # brendan_: http://www.apple.com/ipod/download/ 00.41.05 # well no, but maybe it would have some strange random effects i dunno 00.41.07 # your best bet is to update to the most recent apple firmware and reinstalling rockbox 00.41.22 # Mikachu: possibly aye, but i would have thought it'd be more 'not booting' or 'weird disc stuff' 00.41.41 # it boots but it doesn't find the config sector to write 00.41.41 # there was a post on the froum a few weeks back about a guy who was running rockbox on a 4g colour, and his retailos was really old, and it was screwing with the colours 00.41.47 # so it's worth a shot 00.42.32 Join Tarantulafudge_ [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-61-77-245.midsouth.res.rr.com) 00.42.40 # you might have to reinstall rockbox too, but it's no biggy :) 00.42.46 Quit Tarantulafudge_ (Client Quit) 00.43.06 Join Tarantulafudge [0] (n=Tarantul@cpe-66-61-77-245.midsouth.res.rr.com) 00.43.13 # hey guys 00.43.18 # crashd, the screenshots are at office.resara.com/ipod/ 00.43.26 # ok, cool brendan_ 00.43.34 # give the apple updated a shot too, and tell me how you get along 00.43.40 # is there any planned support for substandard players? 00.43.48 # crashd, oops, theres an extra photo in there 00.43.56 # like the sandisk m230 00.44.08 # Tarantulafudge: porting to a new player is a big undertaking 00.44.20 # crashd, it wil be a while before i can get to a windows computer 00.44.33 # hazum 00.44.34 # wine! 00.45.04 Quit RedBreva (Remote closed the connection) 00.45.44 # Tarantulafudge: There's never really planned support for any specific player. It takes someone to come along and just do it. 00.45.44 # vmware might have a chance of working 00.45.56 # vmware would work fine 00.46.03 # if you had a windows guest setup :) 00.46.05 # Paul_The_Nerd: isn't that usually LinusN? :) 00.46.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: how would someone begin ? 00.46.29 # Tarantulafudge: When the wiki starts not being /.ed, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NewPort 00.46.59 # Mikachu: Naaah. For example he had nothing to do with the Ipod ports really. Of the in-progress IFP or Gigabeat(kinda) ones. 00.47.27 # ah okay 00.47.37 # brendan_: those pics are a bit blurry, but i can see the low colour depth 00.47.42 # well, unless the pics are meant to be like that ;) 00.48.54 # I see 00.50.39 Quit Shoragan ("Leaving") 00.52.47 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-15812.bb.online.no) 00.53.46 # crashd, yea, my camera wouldn't focus for some reason 00.54.18 # yeah 00.54.23 # well, when you get to upgrade the retailos, give us a ring 00.54.29 # Um, hello, I got a question. I would like to install rockbox on my 20gb 4g ipod, but I dont have access on a windows machine. I use OS X. The problem is that I cant find any partiton table for my ipod (ipod 4g 20gb). Can anyone help? 00.54.29 # i think that may well fix it though 00.55.05 # crashd, hopefully 00.55.35 # you could probably upgrade with just the .exe file from linux, and some creative command lines 00.55.40 # if you were feeling adventurous 00.58.31 # nle: Unfortunately that means nobody's donated one for us yet. Until someone does you'll either need to go without rockbox, or get access to a Windows machine. If you do get access to a windows machine, we'd of course appreciate a donation of the MBR. ;-) 00.59.05 Join Chronon [0] (i=Chronon@d23-104.uoregon.edu) 01.01.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: Thanks for the answer! I can maybe try to install VirtualPC and get my ipod up and running there, but I dont have access on either vpc or windows right now, so I guess I haveto wait. :( 01.01.57 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 01.02.05 # but if I get anywhere with vpc I will gladly donate the mbr 01.02.10 # nle: Yes, unfortunately the only way to install on an HFS+ formatted Ipod from MacOS requires replacing the MBR, and we only have available what people have given us. 01.03.33 # btw. how do I get the MBR of the ipod 01.03.34 # ? 01.03.50 Quit wehn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.04.56 # nle: I think they're done simply using dd if=whatever_your_ipods_boot_partition_is of=filename.bin 01.05.48 # k, thx 01.05.49 # :) 01.05.59 # bedtime, nn all 01.06.00 # The MBR is just the first sector on the disk. So in Mac OS X, you do "dd if=/dev/disk2 of=mbr.bin count=1" 01.06.02 # Of course you'd do this after converting to fat32, but *before* installing rockbox 01.06.42 # yes, of course 01.06.42 # :) 01.06.43 # linuxstb: Just the person I wanted to see. Any idea why someone with an Ipod Photo is getting low colour depth in Rockbox (describes it as looking like 16 colors in plugins/etc)? 01.06.58 Quit quobl ("Leaving") 01.07.03 # the retailos! i tells you, it's the retailos! 01.07.03 # ; ) 01.08.30 # Yes, it could be the retailos (specifically, the flash-based bootloader) initialising the LCD differently to newer versions. 01.08.42 # that's how the issue on the forum was resolved anyway 01.09.02 # and brendan said he only installed the s/w from the cd, and hadnt updates since 01.09.21 # Hopefully that's the reason. 01.09.27 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.21.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.23.58 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 01.24.18 Quit mikolas ("Leaving") 01.24.23 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 01.25.28 # Wait a second, NOW Jewels gets attention as a copyright violation? And aren't there plenty of open source implementations of it that don't get flak? 01.26.28 # Paul_The_Nerd: have you read my mail or has someone else gotten also one? 01.26.44 # Just read the email 01.27.02 # didn't you rename it and everything? 01.27.14 # unless they have a patent there's pretty much nothing they can do i think 01.27.24 # I really don't understand their point. 01.28.07 # you can give them a % of rockbox winnings from sales 01.28.13 # but don't tell them that's 0 01.28.31 # it was renemed to Jewels from Bejeweled. Due to copyright issues, but until it popped out as plugin for rockbox I hadn't heard of the game at all. 01.28.49 Join webguest54 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) 01.28.54 # damn, it in the middle of the night and I need to react to something like this. 01.29.16 # Whats the program for the ipod that plays my itunes music on rockbox (and it shows the band name) 01.29.31 # Well, I mean isn't all our art from http://sebdelestaing.free.fr/gweled/ ? Why is that still around? 01.29.37 # Whats the program for the ipod that plays my itunes music on rockbox (and it shows the band name) 01.29.46 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes all the art is from there 01.29.51 # what do you mean by "itunes music"? 01.29.57 # webguest54: No need to repeat yourself like that. Do you mean TagCache? 01.30.02 # just read the email, very strange 01.30.02 # Well u can acess your itunes music 01.30.09 # I believe thats it 01.30.19 # what is "itunes music"? 01.30.20 # that would be rockbox then 01.30.20 # It shows the band and song names and everything s on order 01.30.33 # Im using rockbox 01.30.36 # then you're all set 01.30.37 # ah. You mean song database? 01.30.40 # SO i have to copy allll my music to my ipod again? 01.30.42 # Yeahh 01.30.49 # Does Daniel Sternberg visit here? I'd like to ask hima couple of questions. 01.31.00 # use tagcache? 01.31.13 # tagcache? 01.31.15 # s/\?/\./ 01.31.28 # Shonky: he's here right now! 01.31.52 # webguest54: There's a wiki page for it, entitled TagCache. 01.31.52 # tagcache builds a database from all your music's metadata. 01.31.57 # Mikachu: What's his nick? 01.32.03 # I shall look thank you 01.32.03 # Bagder 01.32.04 Quit webguest54 (Client Quit) 01.32.10 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 01.32.25 Join webguest54 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) 01.32.27 # hmm, this webclient is somewhat laggy. 01.32.30 # There is no wiki page 01.32.38 # tagcache 01.32.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 01.32.47 # There is a wiki page for TagCache 01.33.01 # thanks blue 01.33.02 # I mentioned the link the moment your irc client went off. 01.33.10 # Woops 01.33.18 Quit bepe86 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.33.24 # Badger: Are you there? I'm guessing not if you didn't see me asking for you.... unless you have a bot looking for your nick... 01.33.32 # Thanks all 01.33.42 Quit webguest54 (Client Quit) 01.34.07 # Shonky: BAGDER 01.34.28 # Oops 01.34.38 # Bagder: Hello? 01.35.10 Join nle_ [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-14910.bb.online.no) 01.38.14 # Badger...BADGERS, we don't need now steekin badgers! 01.39.51 # hello, i would like a license for my pet badger eric 01.40.50 Join webguest69 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) 01.40.59 # Are they updating ipod video rockbox alot? 01.41.17 # They update rockbox alot, yes 01.41.28 # I'd say daily ;-) 01.41.36 # or, even more often. 01.41.42 # Depends on the time period 01.41.54 # Right now, LOTS because Lostlogic is kinda insane like that 01.41.55 # scottder: There are no badgers here as I just found out. 01.42.19 # Rockbox hasn't been released for ipod officially, so everything you can get now is pretty much work in progress. 01.42.24 # hmm. I thought that there is a feature freeze, so no new CVS updates until May 1 01.42.32 # just read the cvs log on the frontpage. 01.42.44 # feature freeze means no new _features_ 01.42.57 # Okay so when u goto that page with the picture of devices Under IPOD video you click :"Newest: ? 01.42.58 # Chronon: Feature freeze means LOTS of CVS updates. Just none that add features. Bugfixes and the like 01.42.59 # ok 01.43.02 # gotcha 01.43.17 # concentrated on finalizing code for existing features 01.43.30 # ? 01.43.48 # webguest69: The daily builds page gives you a build made once per day, the CVS builds page gives you the newest version period, with all changes up until when it was made. 01.43.55 # You guys can boost the volume on ur ipod here >> http://www.ringom.no/espen/euPOD_Pro.zip 01.44.15 # So its more wise to wait til the next release? 01.44.16 # webguest69: That has nothing to do with rockbox... 01.45.19 # webguest69: Well, there hasn't *been* a release for Ipod yet. It's "wisest" to download the newest version every now and then. If you get a particularly buggy one, use a slightly older version. Once you find one that has very few, or no, bugs that affect you, and has the features you like, stick with it until something you HAVE to have comes along. 01.46.14 # okay so maybe every day goto that page with the Ipod video picture and click "Latest:" and download that? If so which file do I actually put on my ipod root? 01.46.45 # Ugh - that Bejeweled thing looks semi legitimate => http://www.popcap.com/aboutus.php 01.46.52 # Just extract the zip to the root of your ipod 01.47.08 Quit nle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.47.16 # tell it to overwrite all files and it'll work, webguest69 01.47.40 # webguest69: Have you read the installation instructions? Once you've finished installing the bootloader, all you have to do is extract a rockbox.zip to put the newest version on. 01.47.44 # Oh I see and my original files that i added (ex:doom) will stay 01.47.49 # I need to leave now. Sleep was originally scheduled about 2 hours earlier. Damn mail :( 01.47.51 # Okay 01.47.56 # webguest69: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 01.48.26 Quit webguest69 ("CGI:IRC") 01.48.34 # ts-x: Well, someone else could've read that and then forged the letter. But it seems best to assume it's real and query as to what grounds they're claiming copyright infringement on specifically (I'd say) 01.51.03 # The screens look strikingly similar as well => http://www.popcap.com/launchpage.php?theGame=diamondmine 01.51.39 # the mail headers indicate a popcap.com server with correct ip. 01.51.54 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 01.52.14 # but what'd be the deal with the "deluxe" version they sell? Just bigger screen size? More icons? Themes? 01.52.19 # ts-x: Our art comes from a GPL'ed bejeweled clone anyway, so everything we use is on an assertion from someone else that it's legit. 01.52.32 # Ahhh 01.53.08 # anyway, I've got to go for now. I guess I need to read the logs tomorrow ... 01.53.22 # So, if ours is really infringing, the other one definitely was first. 01.53.30 Part r3dw0rm ("Leaving") 01.53.41 # cu 01.53.45 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC") 01.54.19 Join Skinnny-V [0] (n=415eb6bd@labb.contactor.se) 01.54.26 # Maybe Febs can lend some insight (since he's an attorney in the States) 01.54.34 # And I'm fairly certain the gameplay itself was not created by Popcap, since I think I remember playing games like that in the pre-WWW era. 01.54.58 # Zooo for gba is very similar, but maybe they've licensed the idea 01.55.20 Quit Skinnny-V (Client Quit) 01.57.25 Quit nle_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.57.40 Join webguest85 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) 01.57.45 # Hi quick question 01.58.02 # I wonder if all of the recent publicity led them here...damn you / . ;) 01.58.13 # When playing music on rockbox. How do I get back into the root (.rockbox. notes etc 01.58.25 # one of the buttons should do it 01.58.25 # (Are you talking about digg.com?) 01.58.28 # Do you want to stop the music? 01.58.37 # Well just go back to the root menu 01.58.39 # Or do you want to get to the filetree while the music continues playing? 01.58.40 # /. = slashdot.org 01.58.54 # Back to the root 01.58.57 # menu 01.59.03 # It's on digg as well 01.59.05 # webguest85: Hold Play/Pause for about 1-2 second if you want to stop the music. Just tap select if you want the music to continue 01.59.11 Quit gursikh () 01.59.15 # Lemme try 01.59.18 # webguest85: The filetree and the menu are two different things... 01.59.29 # From dig 01.59.29 # http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223 01.59.32 # menu 01.59.33 # * Paul_The_Nerd suggests reading the manual 01.59.37 # File tree is the ipod root correct? 01.59.41 # Yes 01.59.47 # yes file tree 01.59.56 # Then it's the Select button. 02.00.13 # There's a manual available at the site, and I would recommend greatly reading it. 02.00.31 # I dont haev the time to read a PDF with 88888 pages 02.00.32 # not greatly recommend then? /me hides 02.00.34 # Sorry 02.00.43 # webguest85: we don't have time to rewrite what's already in the manual 02.00.50 # to you on irc 02.01.11 # You can easily reword it too "menu button for 2 seconds" 02.01.25 # webguest85: Why do you think it's somebody else's responsibility to hand you information that you can't be bothered to get yourself? 02.01.35 # This is an irc for help.... 02.01.37 # no 02.01.43 # "Help" is for "Problems" 02.02.06 # "I can't be bothered to demonstrate my position as a member of literate society by reading the instructions for a piece of software I choose to use" is not a "Rockbox problem" it is a "User problem" 02.02.19 # I love you 02.02.25 # heheh 02.02.40 # Paul_The_Nerd: that is one of the politer RTFM i have seen in a while :) 02.02.43 # =D 02.03.06 # Mikachu: You once asked how I stay sane? That's it right there. Coming up with new and interesting RTFM alternatives. 02.03.14 # hehe 02.03.22 # lol 02.03.34 # i'm not sure it was me who asked, but i've wondered too 02.03.37 # I figured out the tagcache deal 02.03.45 # Ah, well somebody asked me. 02.03.48 # Several people have asked me. 02.04.02 # It sucks that you have to change it to "show id3 files" to see the music you want. or else it dont show :( 02.04.25 # yes omg there's a setting to do what you want and it's not on by default :(((((( 02.04.45 # The Horror 02.04.48 # ? 02.04.52 # You must make a friend of horror 02.05.13 # It shows my music "artist, album etc" But it dont show the other root folders :( 02.05.20 # * Mikachu mixes some mandrake root and eye of newt to concoct a friend of horror 02.05.38 # root folders? 02.06.02 # calendar ipod_control .rockbox 02.06.06 # webguest85: Well, if your music was in a "Music" folder, in perhaps the format \Music\Artist\Album\Track - Title.mp3 it'd show well in the file tree 02.06.20 # But I assume you've got it in the "compatible with itunes" format of "horribly obfuscated filenames of doom" 02.06.31 # But its taking it from Ipod_Control/music 02.06.44 # but If i goto that folder it shows the d123 d341 folders 02.06.49 # Yes 02.06.56 # Because TagCache shows music based on their Tags 02.07.01 # And the directory tree shows it based on their filenames 02.07.11 # Yeah 02.07.17 # i think it is time to put some saint willie on the nano 02.07.29 # So, if you copied over music using the Ipod as a disk, rather than by way of Itunes, the music wouldn't get renamed, and you'd be set. 02.07.34 Join mooch [0] (n=TheCurio@a80-186-228-34.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 02.07.35 # hi 02.07.47 # But sometimes I use the original firmware 02.07.50 # Yeah what Paul_The_Nerd 02.07.52 # if i install rockbox on my ipod5g, do i loose the music I have already there? 02.08.00 # no mooch 02.08.02 # I personally, and I suspect many here, actively advocate the growth of users beyond the constraints of music management software that prevents you from having personal control of the state of your music. :) 02.08.06 # great! 02.08.15 # webguest85: Why do you use the original to listen to music? 02.08.15 # lol pauk 02.08.16 # paul* 02.08.22 # But as webguest85 is learning, itunes meses with file names 02.08.30 # because its complicated to navigate 02.08.46 # the only problem i have is that my ipod claims to be in lock mode and it only mounts read-only under linux, so i might have to dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/ipod to clean it up 02.08.55 # I copy music of and do Genre/Artist/Album 02.08.57 # or has anyone any idea how to solve that? 02.09.01 # couldn't be easier to navigate 02.09.14 # If I want to use tag cache. I have to goto general settings>file view> then show ID3 files Then theres my music! But The rest of my root files dont show. 02.09.30 # webguest85: I thought you said you listened to music in the Retail OS 02.09.52 # I vary between the 2 02.09.57 # It doesn't make sense to me to listen to it in both. I can understand doing music in retail, and games/etc in Rockbox. Or doing Music in Rockbox, and only using retail for video... 02.11.00 # Well since i got that sound booster. Perhaps for retail os ill use it as music/videos and rockbox for apps/games :) thanks paul 02.11.15 # I would suggest simply learning to use Rockbox for Music 02.11.27 # Seeing as Rockbox does support the full range of volume that the Ipod can output. 02.11.52 # Well I got the volume booster and it gets LOUD in retail os 02.12.03 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. 02.12.10 # As I said, Rockbox supports the full range of the hardware. 02.12.22 # I know 02.12.32 # But I guess Im just to used to ipod os 02.12.45 # What kinda of things non music related can I do in rockbox on my 5g 02.12.53 # Not many things. 02.13.00 # Seeing as what it does is "Play music better" 02.13.06 # That's kinda its purpose 02.13.15 # There's a few games and other things, and a better jpeg viewer, but that's about it 02.13.53 # Could you hook me up with a link to the games? and how so a better music player? 02.14.01 # The games come with it... 02.14.27 # better music player. haha. 02.14.29 # oh... I mean 3rd party gamses 02.14.32 # And "Gapless, Crossfade, Crossfeed, several new formats, Parametric Equalizer, Replaygain, on the fly full playlist creation and saving" 02.14.45 # webguest85 => http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox 02.14.50 # i hope we don't get too many of these visits since the recent burst of publicity.. 02.14.59 # thanks 02.15.04 # midkay: Were you laughing at whether or not it is a better music player? 02.15.15 # Ogg is kind of the thing i am looking for 02.15.20 # 8) 02.15.20 # I just wish I knew how to make playlist and stuff. I did read the pdf and it hurts my mind 02.15.26 # Paul_The_Nerd, no, at the fact that he "wants" a better music player, as if it's.. not integrated in rockbox or something. 02.15.29 # does it skip much playing Vorbis? 02.15.33 # oh. never mind. misread that. 02.15.34 # All I wanna do is shuffle 02.15.45 # midkay: I've even to valid MP3s that the Retail OS won't play properly. 02.15.46 # i thought he said he "wanted new plugins and a better music player".. 02.16.03 # i didnt say that 02.16.04 # even so, i hope.. pray.. this doesn't happen too often. :) 02.16.07 # mooch: On the Nano I can play Q8 vorbis without a problem. 02.16.16 # webguest85, *read* - i said "i thought he said", not "he said". 02.16.41 # midkay: I'm already trying to prepare myself to be ready for the forums. I read the slashdot responses and it made me sad. 02.16.58 # Im prob gonna copy all my music into rockbox for the hell of it 02.17.00 # Paul_The_Nerd, yeah.. 02.17.02 # i got 25 gigs 02.18.00 # WHAT if I made a suffle, playlist file with Winamp and copied that file into rockbox!? 02.18.20 # Then you could play it? 02.18.20 # what if you just used tagcache? or did i miss something? 02.18.20 # Paul_The_Nerd: the problem is that i have ALL my music collection (circa 500 cds) in flac+vorbis, so now that i got a video 30gb i do not want to get into the trouble of converting again all the flacs into mp3s 02.18.25 # Paul_The_Nerd, haha. 02.18.35 # TAGCACHE 02.18.37 # 'A "wealth of codecs" is only really important when you are pirating your music from fellow people who cannot decide on a single standard and you don't want to have to be bothered to convert your booty before it goes to your player.' <-- shining example of piercingly inciteful slashdot commentary 02.18.40 # er, I meant insightful 02.18.42 # All I want to do is shuffle my music 02.18.44 # vorbis r00lz! 02.18.44 # :) 02.18.44 # mooch: Well, are they Q8 or higher vorbis, or lower than that? 02.18.59 # webguest85: Why did you just type TAGCACHE in all caps? 02.19.01 # Paul_The_Nerd, your witty responses make the probably-upcoming hell almost worth it :) 02.19.08 # Paul_The_Nerd: i use -b 192, so dunno... ;) 02.19.12 # IS there a way to make a shuffle playlist with tagcache 02.19.18 # HAHA. 02.19.31 # Paul_The_Nerd: my biggest problem is the issue with the lock hard disk... 02.19.32 # mooch: CBR vorbis is already a bad idea. But, those should have no problem playing. Q8 averages ~225ish, maybe higher. 02.19.53 # Musepack r00lz ; ) 02.20.11 # Can you make a shuffle playlist with tagcache? 02.20.11 # webguest85: Can winamp find all the files on your player to make a playlist? 'cuz you can then save the playlist in the root, switch to file view to launch the playlist. Playlist use has nothing to do with TagCache being enabled or disabled really 02.20.15 # I've been trying Q3 vorbis files with pretty good results 02.20.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: i mean, i am ready to trash my ipod, but i have no idea how to solve the problem with accessing the hard disk... 02.20.22 # certainly good enough for portable listening 02.20.40 # mooch: That part I really don't know. 02.20.40 # Paul_The_Nerd: the kernels sets it into read-only mode for some stupid reason 02.21.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: i think i posted it somewhere... 02.21.09 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-128.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.21.10 # Thats a great idea pal 02.21.11 # im gonna try 02.21.16 # im gonna try it 02.21.50 # webguest85: If you do it *right* I guarantee it'll work. ;-) 02.22.32 # So ill open a folder through winamp and ill naviage to my ipod drive? 02.22.53 # Wow and winamp encodes it too 02.23.38 # Basically, just add the Ipod Control folder to a playlist in Winamp, and then save it as an M3U playlist in the root of your ipod 02.24.02 # Thats the plan :) 02.24.20 # Testing now 02.24.42 Join webguest11 [0] (n=44cd0e62@labb.contactor.se) 02.24.56 # WORKS Paul your my hero! 02.25.04 Quit angelashes () 02.25.12 # No applause just Paypal donations :) 02.25.17 # lol 02.25.21 # you know, i'm wondering if there actually *are* any copyright violations or trademark violations in jewels. the name's still a little dodgy, but there's no copyright violation if you made all the art yourself (not to mention code), and there's no trademark violation if your art doesn't look like his (that's assuming he HAS a trademark on the art) 02.26.05 # I just want Doom on my nano...all the cool kids have it! 02.26.06 # :0 02.26.06 Quit webguest85 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.26.13 # ahsridah: The art definitely looks somewhat similar to Bejeweled, and there is the name thing. But that's aboug it. 02.26.15 # and unless he's trademarked the gameplay (which i doubt, or ID software would probably be the only company that can create FPS's)... 02.26.38 # ashridah: Not to mention I swear I played the same game on my NES before Popcap even existed. 02.26.38 # ashridah: don't give them ideas! 02.27.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: time to hit the NES game archives then 02.27.17 Join Alicia_R [0] (n=aliciare@ip70-178-197-23.ks.ks.cox.net) 02.27.48 # ashridah: Yeah. Well, maybe not NES unfortunately, but I do have fairly clear memories of a very pixellated game with identical or very nearly identical gameplay 02.27.54 # can i use rockbox to make toast 02.28.30 # so what's this recent slashdotting anyway? 02.28.37 # ah, nevermind 02.28.51 # qwm: Make sure you have a LOT of very small MP3 files with tags on them, and then start a Tagcache Update. Lay plastic side down, and put the bread on the metal side. 02.29.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: heh 02.29.21 # haha. 02.29.23 # excellent idea! 02.29.23 # Yeah, I found Rockbox through Slashdot, and figured I'd throw it on my iPod 5G. :l 02.29.24 Quit webguest11 (Client Quit) 02.29.27 # Note: This procedure may only be possible on HD based Ipods. 02.29.56 # Alright, I have to go. I have a dinner to eat. I shall return later. 02.29.56 Part Paul_The_Nerd 02.30.50 # anyway, we need to rename jewels again (although i seriously object that "jewels" is close to "bejeweled", it's easier to remove any reference to jewel at all, and change the artwork so it's not similar in any way shape or form 02.30.57 # I managed to get the loader on there, but whenever I extract the rockbox firmware and other stuff like that to the root iPod directory, I get "Rockbox error: -1" upon rebooting it. 02.31.08 # then he can only give us hell about the gameplay style. 02.31.14 # And upon checking the disc, the rockbox.ipod file is gone, and .rockbox is corrupt. :l 02.31.29 # bestoned? 02.31.30 # :) 02.32.47 # Alicia_R: can only suggest you fix any disk errors and re-extract rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder 02.32.50 # ScootScat: haha 02.33.03 # Yeah, I just restored the iPod and tried again. 02.33.06 # god damn nick complete 02.33.16 # scottder: something like that. 02.33.56 # :) 02.34.05 # Alicia_R: are you possibly not letting it finish writing before disconnecting the device? 02.34.45 # What do you mean? Windows XP says it's finished extracting to the root directory, so I wait a minute for good measure, then reboot the iPod. 02.35.11 # I get the -1 error, and upon checking root again, rockbox.ipod is gone. This is weird. 02.35.51 # Alicia_R: uh, don't you need to go for the whole "disconnect usb device" (you could be using firewire i guess) 02.36.11 # just yanking it out isn't what i'd call conclusive :) 02.36.16 # I'm using USB. But that might be it.. lemme try again. :b 02.36.23 # be sure to eject it within Itunes 02.36.33 # that's what I do with my Nano 02.36.35 # Aah, didn't think about that. 02.36.38 Join StE_gUy [0] (i=dmin@206-248-130-124.dsl.teksavvy.com) 02.37.49 # woo. slashdot. kings of disinformation 02.37.55 # \o/ 02.37.58 # indeed 02.37.59 # get it right 02.38.05 # kings of OLD disinformation 02.38.32 # does rockbox support ogg vorbis?!?! ;P it sounds HORRRID! 02.39.01 # ? 02.40.08 # speak in slashdotese "it 01nz j00~!" 02.40.39 # z0rry!1 02.40.48 # :) 02.41.18 # * scottder listens to Walter Piston in glorious OGG Vorbis Sound! 02.41.19 # :) 02.41.24 # i will try rockbox tomorrow... ;) 02.41.27 Join roostishaw [0] (n=roostish@c-24-126-92-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.41.41 # hello? 02.42.18 # goodbye? 02.42.23 # :D 02.42.28 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-3709.bb.online.no) 02.42.59 # how long should it take to extract the 'bootpartition.bin' from my ipod? 02.44.11 # somebody mod my reply up :P 02.44.26 # * Galois took the troll seriously ... probably not good for one's health, but oh well 02.44.49 # Galois: which troll? practically the entire thread is full of them 02.44.51 # ...anyone know? 02.45.18 # There we go. Restored iPod again, and now I've got the loader on and functioning. Adding the rockbox.ipod and .rockbox folder.. 02.46.48 # this one http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183106&cid=15130621 02.47.03 # roostishaw: not long 02.47.03 # is there anyway to trick the ipod into not needing the external power adapter after a restore (ipod 4g). 02.47.13 # i dont have it here :/ 02.47.57 # reset the ipod... 02.48.20 # Apostle^, is the correct command dd if=/dev/sda2 of=bootpartition.bin ? 02.48.31 # Is there any way to trick the X5 into updating firmware without the adaptor? My friend really wants rockbox but can't find his adaptor :D 02.48.47 # roostishaw: /dev/sda1 probably since '2' is usually the storage partition 02.49.20 # Apostle^, ok, but how do i know thats my ipod and not my hdd ? 02.49.34 # roostishaw: right after you plug in the hd type dmesg in a terminal 02.49.40 # it will give you theright one like sdh 02.49.45 # then you would do /dev/sdh 02.49.46 # :-P 02.49.48 # sdh1 * 02.50.13 # oh, nvm, got it. sda1 woked ... thank you! :D 02.50.17 Quit roostishaw (Remote closed the connection) 02.50.22 # TeaSea: sorry, not as far I know. The adaptator is needed for the flashing process 02.50.28 # Moos: k 02.50.29 # cheers 02.50.34 # np 02.51.06 Join webguest11 [0] (n=806becbe@labb.contactor.se) 02.51.10 Quit filoktetes (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 02.53.08 Quit webguest11 (Client Quit) 02.56.53 Join yobesoom [0] (n=mooseboy@c-67-171-207-167.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 02.58.24 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.00.41 # Bye all ! 03.00.53 # bi bi 03.02.30 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 03.02.31 Join webguest90 [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) 03.02.48 # Now I know I cant do this. but can someone give me a link to download a doom2.wad for free 03.03.46 # there's a link to doom1's shareware wad on the plugin page for doom iirc 03.03.56 # google.com/search?q=doom+2+wad !! 03.03.58 # I need doom2 03.04.05 # "need" ? 03.04.10 # I googled it but....it doesnt show it 03.04.12 # Any rules against profanity? 03.04.15 # i need it for add ons 03.04.40 # I need it free. It doesnt show it in google 03.04.45 # TeaSea, on irc? not specifically, but using it to excess isn't a good idea i think :) 03.04.46 # TeaSea: where? 03.04.50 # here. 03.05.04 # ? 03.05.08 # webguest90, buy it or find it.. it's somewhat illegal to, you know, pirate stuff.. 03.05.09 # i imagine we'd prefer that you don't use it 03.05.18 # Ah okay :( 03.05.21 # some swede you are... home of the piracy party 03.05.25 # you should know where to go for these things 03.05.28 # I was going to just show the JFGI link. 03.05.41 # jfgi? 03.05.43 # Please help me out 03.05.49 # jfgi = just f'ing google it 03.06.06 # webguest90: help you steal something you can probably find just by hitting up piratebay or something? 03.06.08 # ah.. 03.06.17 # Jewish Federation of Greater Indianapolis? 03.06.19 # lol 03.06.24 # :D 03.06.33 # I went to pirate bay.....but no seeders 03.06.38 # And google shows nothing 03.06.39 # bummer 03.06.50 # well. can't help you then. 03.07.11 # try a filename that'd be more.. warezy. I give you no more hints. 03.07.25 # doom2.wad 03.07.31 # warezy... 03.07.31 # no. 03.08.22 # ? 03.08.27 # Whats warezy 03.09.38 # mmm, wings and beer. 03.10.00 # :'( 03.10.14 # *sniffle* 03.12.22 Part Alicia_R 03.12.46 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.13.51 # you know what rocks? restoring a dump of a mysql database. one. record. at. a. time 03.13.59 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-24-91.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 03.14.04 Quit mtnbkr (Remote closed the connection) 03.14.07 # "Query OK, 1 row affected (0.01 sec)" 03.14.11 # over and over and over again 03.14.12 # haha. 03.14.17 # script? 03.14.20 # motherfuckers, good thing i'm not on a timelimit 03.14.24 # midkay: yeah 03.14.42 # be nice if it was a mysql hot copy instead 03.14.58 # hm.. 03.15.01 Join mtnbkr [0] (i=mtnbkr@tor/session/direct/x-af407822aece5e80) 03.15.46 # ah well 03.15.50 # like i say, no time limit 03.16.35 # of course, i could probably have sped it up by finding some way to do it and redirect the output to a file instead of the terminal 03.16.41 # (then i'd be able to check for failures too) 03.17.00 # MMMMMMMMMMMM CHEESE BURGER 03.17.46 # heh. yep, definently think the xterm is the bottleneck, it's chewing 75% cpu 03.17.46 Quit webguest90 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.18.00 Join kjlkjh [0] (n=484451de@labb.contactor.se) 03.18.13 # weeeeeee 03.18.17 # weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 03.18.41 # weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 03.18.41 # ashridah 03.18.42 # ashridah 03.18.42 DBUG Enqueued KICK kjlkjh 03.18.42 # ashridah 03.18.43 *** Alert Mode level 1 03.18.43 *** Alert Mode level 2 03.18.43 # ashridah 03.18.44 *** Alert Mode level 3 03.18.44 *** Alert Mode level 4 03.18.44 # ashridah 03.18.44 *** Alert Mode level 5 03.18.44 *** Alert Mode level 6 03.18.44 # ashridah 03.18.46 *** Alert Mode level 7 03.18.46 # ashridah 03.18.48 # sigh 03.18.58 # sigh 03.19.02 # sigh 03.19.07 # sigh 03.19.12 # sigh 03.19.15 *** Alert Mode level 8 03.19.15 # sigh 03.19.17 DBUG Enqueued KICK BHSPitLappy 03.19.17 # sigh 03.19.20 # sigh 03.19.24 # sigh 03.19.24 # sigh 03.19.26 # sigh 03.19.27 *** Alert Mode level 9 03.19.27 # sigh 03.19.29 # sigh 03.19.30 *** Alert Mode level 10 03.19.30 # sigh 03.19.33 # sigh 03.19.34 *** Alert Mode level 11 03.19.34 # sigh 03.19.36 # sigh 03.19.37 *** Alert Mode level 12 03.19.37 # sigh 03.19.40 # sigh 03.19.40 *** Alert Mode level 13 03.19.40 # sigh 03.19.41 # sigh 03.19.41 # sigh 03.19.43 # sigh 03.19.44 # sigh 03.19.45 # sigh 03.19.46 *** Alert Mode level 14 03.19.46 # sigh 03.19.48 # sigh 03.19.49 *** Alert Mode level 15 03.19.49 # sigh 03.19.51 # sigh 03.19.52 *** Alert Mode level 16 03.19.52 # sigh 03.19.54 # sigh 03.19.54 *** Alert Mode level 17 03.19.54 # sigh 03.19.55 # sigh 03.19.56 *** Alert Mode level 18 03.19.56 # sigh 03.19.57 # sigh 03.19.58 *** Alert Mode level 19 03.19.58 # sigh 03.20.00 # sigh 03.20.00 *** Alert Mode level 20 03.20.00 # sigh 03.20.01 # sigh 03.20.02 # sigh 03.20.05 # sigh 03.20.06 # sigh 03.20.07 # sigh 03.20.08 *** Alert Mode level 21 03.20.08 # sigh 03.20.10 # sigh 03.20.11 *** Alert Mode level 22 03.20.11 # sigh 03.20.12 # sigh 03.20.12 *** Alert Mode level 23 03.20.12 # sigh 03.20.14 # wooooooooooooooooooooo 03.20.15 *** Alert Mode level 24 03.20.15 # sigh 03.20.18 # Lol 03.20.21 # that was awesome 03.20.28 Quit Chronon () 03.20.38 # Bye guyes 03.20.40 # weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee 03.20.48 Quit kjlkjh (Client Quit) 03.21.17 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.21.20 # yeah. great thing about slashdot exposure... wait. what am i saying, there *is* no great thing about slashdot exposure. 03.22.43 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 35 seconds at the last flood 03.22.43 # * ts-x shakes fist at /. 03.24.53 # oh sorry guys 03.25.06 # I thought I was in a different, less professional tab 03.25.10 # * BHSPitLappy embarrased 03.26.39 # * ts-x goes back to listening to his *HORRID* ogg vorbis files ;) http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=183106&cid=15130058 03.27.26 # and lets not forget the nasty run-on nature of gapless playback 03.27.28 # Haha yes. 03.27.34 # ts-x: That comment was hilarious. 03.27.54 # Has he been listening to quality 0 vorbis or something? :D 03.27.58 # Even then it's still better than mp3. 03.28.06 # He just likes the sound of CORPORATE DOOM in his ears. 03.28.19 # i have a question 03.28.30 # -q -2 maybe 03.28.33 # are the slashdot comments better or worse than the digg comments 03.28.59 # what the heck is goin' on in here? 03.29.26 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.29.28 Join kidd3ckz [0] (n=sped@c-71-229-186-174.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 03.29.51 # lostlogic, slashdot_idiots is what's going on in here... 03.30.16 *** Alert Mode OFF 03.30.34 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-27-9.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 03.30.53 # :) 03.33.05 # don't flame- quick q: vid supported on 5g with rockbox firmware ? 03.34.55 # no 03.35.15 # Have to boot retailos for that 03.35.58 # ok one more, will anapod manager work with it? 03.36.05 # kidd3ckz: sadly, the video chipset in the 5g's is poorly documented at best, and broadcom (naturally) aren't being helpful, so vid support is going to be a long long while 03.36.33 # who u gotta hack to get the docs? 03.36.45 # :) 03.36.46 # kidd3ckz: broadcom 03.36.58 Join pascha [0] (n=tharg@tor/session/external/x-5891ec61f2c22527) 03.37.03 # kidd3ckz: but rather than broadcom, go after portalplayer for specs for the pp5021c 03.37.15 # :) 03.37.41 # :) 03.39.52 Join VoltageX [0] (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 03.40.08 # once rockbox is built, what parts do i copy to my player? 03.40.48 # VoltageX: make zip 03.40.50 # and unzip the zip 03.43.25 # VoltageX: what are you trying to do (I'm trying to fix the calendar.c so I can use it to view my class schedule:-) 03.44.44 # build rockbox so i can see if my plugin works 03.44.52 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.45.04 # but when it's built, build/ contains a lot of source files mixed with binaries 03.45.29 # it's mentioned on the website somewhere 03.45.45 # make zip/ unzip works fine for me :) 03.45.55 # what plugin did you write? 03.46.22 # allyourbase.rock :) 03.46.28 # it's just a helloworld 03.46.52 # :) 03.46.53 # I did make bzip2 03.47.02 # you only need to copy apps/plugins/allyourbase.rock to test changes.. 03.47.16 # oh yeah *slaps forehead 03.47.18 # good point there :P 03.47.21 # that's builddir/apps/plugins/allyourbase.rock - make sure your rockbox build is up-to-date though. 03.47.44 # maybe make zip and install it the first time, and for later tests just make and then copy the rock. 03.48.04 # you can cut some of the plugins out of SOURCES, if you want it to compile faster ;) 03.48.17 # can you make a .rock without the whole rockbox? 03.48.58 # no-one's really exported a development environment yet 03.49.58 # VoltageX: the build doesn't compile already compiled files again 03.50.15 # so it doesn't slow your trail and error that mutch 03.50.28 # wtf...the file isn't there 03.50.52 # good time to catch up on latest daily build, i reckon 03.50.53 # and there's no helloworld.c either 03.52.10 # VoltageX: did you include the file in SOURCES? 03.52.32 # no, helloworld.c was never downloaded from CVS 03.52.44 # well, in apps/plugins 03.52.46 # was it removed? (there was something in the wiki about it) 03.52.48 # is a file named SOURCES 03.53.02 # all cfiles listed in there get compiled 03.53.25 # figured that one out myself, took me a few mins, though 03.55.19 Quit nle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.55.22 # mmm, when I disconnect my nano from diskmode, I get a b/w battery symbol with a ! symbol 03.55.38 # next song is right :) 03.56.39 # thouters: happens to me too 03.56.42 # just reboot 03.57.04 # if it's common then I don't mind 03.57.57 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-12307.bb.online.no) 03.58.57 Quit jbauman (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.02.09 # Is this correct (bubbles.c) the help says RIGHT+LEFT to resume, now BUBBLES_RESUME is defined as BUTTON_RIGHT|BUTTON_LEFT 04.04.44 # oh dear... compiling my plugin, a page of errors 04.05.09 Part pascha 04.06.47 # "No rule to make playback_control.h 04.06.50 # wtf? 04.07.41 # weird 04.07.46 # well, i'm gonna get some sleep 04.08.04 Quit thouters ("ciao") 04.12.04 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 04.13.22 # does anyone know how to update the apple firmware without an external power supply? 04.14.02 # Mine broke, and i tried to update the firmware, but won't let me finish untill i connect it to a power supply 04.15.37 Quit warthawg ("my work here is done") 04.17.51 Quit nle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.19.44 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-0219.bb.online.no) 04.20.09 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=7df11002@labb.contactor.se) 04.20.38 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 04.21.00 Join cacophony [0] (i=kvirc@user-0cetr2a.cable.mindspring.com) 04.21.01 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=zeroirc@125.241.16.2) 04.21.04 # hi all 04.21.23 # hi one 04.21.29 # :) 04.21.45 # Jungti1234: did you see my patch to test? 04.21.50 # no 04.22.03 # here is not home 04.22.15 # Jungti1234: ah, so no patch now? 04.22.22 # wait.. 04.22.32 # I'll try it 04.22.38 # now 04.23.12 # http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/main_menu_scroll.patch 04.23.16 # thanks 04.23.20 Join HyenBeen [0] (n=7df11002@labb.contactor.se) 04.23.26 # Hi 04.23.30 # should maek the long strings scroll adn doesn't seem to break non-long strings. 04.23.51 Quit HyenBeen (Client Quit) 04.24.15 Join webguest68 [0] (n=7df11002@labb.contactor.se) 04.24.23 # Mikachu: still able to break the buffer? 04.24.44 # SSi bbal Jang nan Hea ? 04.25.03 # webguest68: this is an english channel. 04.25.20 # Ni Mi Bea GGob JJab Nya? 04.26.10 # anyone care to help a noob? my helloworld.c isn't compiling 04.29.01 # fuck you !! 04.29.14 # Noob - you 04.29.20 # im not noob 04.29.21 # Fycj 04.29.47 # fuck you 04.29.49 # fuck you 04.29.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK webguest68 04.29.53 # fuck you 04.29.57 # thx !! 04.30.06 # welcome to ignore webguest68 04.30.08 # idiot 04.30.20 # Isn't it past your bedtime 04.30.41 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.34.10 Part YouCeyE ("Leaving") 04.34.14 # Deac in Fuck you 04.34.35 Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) 04.34.48 # fuck u 04.34.52 # Why not? 04.34.57 # you fuck !! 04.35.00 # thx ^^; 04.35.09 # I cant find a screenshot page on the site 04.35.14 # thats uncommon for open source projects 04.35.42 # for what? 04.35.44 # cacophony: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 04.35.47 # cacophony: there are WPS galleries, but each persons screen shots are rather different, and the overall rockbox is just text menus 04.35.50 Join webguest38 [0] (n=42411039@labb.contactor.se) 04.35.55 # hey guys 04.36.08 # why? 04.36.18 # why sir? 04.36.23 # can anyone help me out with patching? 04.36.31 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 04.36.32 # that's an interesting bot webguest 04.36.33 # i cant seem to get it 04.36.34 # Fuck u 04.36.42 # ? 04.36.42 # ah 04.36.44 # hi webguest 04.36.45 # you a ga ri closed 04.36.47 # hi webguest 04.36.49 # VoltageX: it's not a bot, it's a http->irc gateway 04.36.55 # oh 04.36.56 # hi 04.37.02 # a ga ri da mu ro SSi BBA RA 04.37.02 # does the version for the video ipod, play videos? 04.37.13 # Fuck man Shout up ! 04.37.34 # does anyone know how to patch? 04.37.35 # cacophony: no, and it's likely to be a while before it does. that said, the unit can dual-boot, so you won't lose the functionality 04.37.41 # webguest38: which model player? 04.37.42 # hmm 04.37.48 # and what bit are you having trouble with? 04.37.55 # the ipod g4 04.37.56 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 04.37.56 # * ashridah assumes ipod given the recent /. story 04.38.20 # i have the patches i need but do not know how to apply them 04.38.34 # i have tried through the command line 04.38.37 # Fuck you 04.38.41 # webguest68: Please be quiet 04.38.50 # but keep getting hunk errors 04.38.53 # WTF? why does webguest keep saying fuck you 04.39.08 # VoltageX: because he's a tool 04.39.16 # an IRC tool 04.39.17 # ok 04.39.18 # webguest38: then the patches aren't applying cleanly, they might be out of date from the latest CVS that you have. 04.39.29 # hmm 04.39.31 # ok 04.39.37 # i'll try and get the latest 04.39.41 # lostlogic: would you mind helping me to get my helloworld to compile? 04.40.01 Join roostishaw [0] (n=roostish@c-24-126-92-199.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 04.40.16 # hi, how do i save my settings? 04.40.17 # VoltageX: you were serious about that, eh? sure, pastebin it. 04.40.28 # roostishaw: main menu|manage settings|save .cfg file 04.40.35 # lostlogic: I gotta start somewhere 04.40.37 # then... 04.40.50 # will it load automatically from then on? 04.41.06 # roostishaw: no, there are active settings which are saved in a special sector and those load automatically 04.41.32 # but if something resets them or an imcompatible version of the settings block comes out then you will need to load from a .cfg file 04.41.40 # so you can go to manage settings -> load .cfg file to load one 04.41.42 # so whats the point of even going through the trouble of customizing all the setting if they're not saved? 04.41.54 # roostishaw: they _are_ in a special sector, as I said 04.42.07 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 04.42.12 # and loaded by default... the .cfg files are just for saving different batches of settings for different purposes 04.42.21 # ...ok, so they do load on startup? 04.42.23 # or so you can restore your settings after an incompatible upgrade 04.42.29 # rightr, but not from a .cfg file 04.42.32 # Or for transferring settings from one unit to another 04.42.34 # just installed 04.42.46 # saving and loading on boot are completely automatic unless there is an incompatible settings block version 04.42.48 # oh 04.42.49 # yeah, my patches still arent working 04.42.49 # lostlogic 04.42.52 # Jungti1234: yes? 04.42.54 # It works fine 04.42.58 # very nice 04.43.01 # Jungti1234: ok, will commit 04.43.04 # :) thanks 04.43.07 # ahh 04.43.08 # hey 04.43.26 # lostlogic, what is an incompatable upgrade? 04.43.48 # lostlogic? 04.44.01 # so, can anyone help me out with this? 04.44.01 # roostishaw: the config sector is a binary on disk format, with explicit bit sizes for each field, so if we add another bit to a field, it is invalid. 04.44.17 # Fuck u !! 04.44.22 # aLL Shout up !! 04.44.24 # hey webguest68 04.44.24 # webguest38: I already told you what the problem most likely is, you either have to resolve the conflicts by hand or wait for new patch versions from the creators 04.44.27 # Baby~~!!!! 04.44.29 # are you crazy? 04.44.30 # Dog baby~~ 04.44.36 # BANsa 04.44.40 # :P 04.44.46 # i might be doing this improperly 04.44.47 # FUCK SUCK SATANG 04.44.52 Quit roostishaw (Remote closed the connection) 04.45.00 # TX !! 04.45.03 # TNX !! 04.45.05 # ^^; 04.45.11 Quit Shonky () 04.45.19 # THN ^^' 04.45.23 # GKWLAK 04.45.28 # TBM 04.45.35 # i download the patch and then type "patch < patchname.txt" into the cli 04.45.47 # patchname.patch* 04.45.59 # webguest38: try patch -p0 < patchfile from your rockbox source directory. 04.46.15 # VoltageX: you gonna paste me that code to help with? 04.46.43 # lostlogic: yes, just reproducing the error 04.47.00 # VoltageX: gotcha. 04.47.38 # webguest38: What exact error message do you get? 04.48.17 # gah, quick linux cli help... how do I redirect stderr to a file? 04.48.31 # VoltageX: command 2> file 04.49.40 # thanks 04.49.51 # the patch command keeps asking me for the file to patch 04.50.01 # line numbers in paste will be off... http://pastebin.com/660826 04.50.10 # webguest38: did you try the command I said? 04.50.16 # yes 04.50.29 # webguest38: also, did you checkout or unpack a full rockbox source dir and are you in that dir? 04.50.35 # yes 04.50.41 # webguest38: What folder are you running patch from? Is it the root folder of your source (the one that contains apps, firmware, and all the other folders)? 04.51.18 # i do not see folders like that 04.51.21 # VoltageX: there aren't any include lines in your file? I believe that to be the issue 04.51.34 # webguest38: Well, you're in the wrong folder. What folder are you in? 04.51.44 # im in .rockbox 04.52.08 # webguest38: That's a folder from a BUILD of rockbox, not the source. 04.52.14 # oh 04.52.21 Quit webguest68 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.52.25 # lostlogic: so include ? 04.52.29 # so how do i get to the source? 04.52.44 # webguest38: Have you read the pages relating to how to compile? 04.52.45 # VoltageX: yeah, I think that's all you need #include above the plugin header 04.52.59 # no 04.53.04 # where are they? 04.53.06 Join airwolf4ever [0] (n=45736454@labb.contactor.se) 04.53.10 # webguest38: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToCompiling 04.53.55 Quit nle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.54.04 # is rockbox the only thing working on a G5 Video ipod? 04.54.17 # airwolf4ever: what do you mean? 04.54.29 # Like I got my Ipod last week 04.54.30 # it' 04.54.40 # it's a 30g ipod video 04.54.44 # 5g 04.54.56 # and I can't delete any songs off it 04.55.00 # except with Itunes 04.55.08 # yes, that's now ipods work by default 04.55.17 # Thats is so annoying 04.55.27 # Like when I'm done with a podcast 04.55.30 # Well, Rockbox allows you to simply treat it as an external Hard Disk 04.55.31 # I want to get rid of it 04.55.32 # then you might want to try the latest CVS build of rockbox instead :) 04.55.51 # airwolf4ever: unfortunately many podcasts contain DRM which rockbox does not supportt 04.56.06 # ahh ok 04.56.20 # I was also doing some reasearch on Ipodlinux 04.56.35 # Well, Ipodlinux serves a drastically different purpose 04.56.37 # do you know if they support this new ipod? 04.56.41 # ipodlinux has much less music playing support than rockbox 04.56.43 # Ohhh 04.56.45 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-12341.bb.online.no) 04.56.46 # ok 04.56.59 # and I don't think their 5g support is as good as ours, but don't quote me on that 04.57.11 # thats cool 04.57.27 # If your podcasts are MP3, you should be able to use them with Rockbox 04.57.32 # lostlogic 04.57.36 # Jungti1234: yes 04.57.40 # If they're AAC, the likelihood of them working properly drops drastically 04.57.41 # I think they are 04.57.43 # commit it 04.57.47 # only patch 04.57.50 # does rockbox also do video? 04.58.06 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 04.58.09 # bye 04.58.09 # Jungti1234: where? 04.58.12 # no 04.58.17 # um 04.58.19 # Jungti1234: if you emailed it to me I didn't receive it. 04.58.27 # thanks for the help guys 04.58.28 # I didn't make it 04.58.41 # Jungti1234: I'm confused 04.58.43 # so no video playback on the video ipod 04.58.50 # commit only your patch 04.58.56 # airwolf4ever: Rockbox is primarily designed for Audio players, so no. It doesn't do video. And it probably won't support it soon, unless someone from outside comes up with a way, because there's too much work that can still be done to improve audio related features. 04.59.02 # Jungti1234: I did 04.59.07 # ok 04.59.08 # bye 04.59.10 # later 04.59.12 # ok 04.59.22 Quit Jungti1234 ("Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET ¢Æ Zero IRC ¢Æ Ver 2.9b") 04.59.23 # airwolf4ever: But, Rockbox exists along side the original firmware, so you can reboot into it at any time to watch your videos, or listen to DRM wrapped podcasts 04.59.24 # cool thank you for all the info 04.59.34 # I still think the delete feature is worth it 04.59.45 # Oh cool! 04.59.53 # and then I can boot intorockbox 04.59.59 # and delete stuf I dont want 05.00.11 # Thats exactly what I want 05.00.49 # Thanks Paul!! for all the info 05.00.51 # Well, you can't really delete things that show up in the Retail OS very well from rockbox 05.01.10 # It does this crazy thing where it obfuscates the files by renaming them, and it has its own database which the files must be removed from, and so on. 05.01.30 Quit stamppot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.01.35 # But if they're MP3 podcasts, you can just copy them over normally (like an external hard disk) then listen to them in Rockbox, and delete them in Rockbox no problem 05.01.52 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@AC9E8AE5.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.56 Join stamppot [0] (n=alberink@cc516682-a.ensch1.ov.home.nl) 05.03.13 # has anyone noticed a bug in at least the 4g ipod, maybe others, where the lcd doesn't fully turn off on shutdown, leaving a line behind? 05.03.23 # piroko: yeah, known 05.03.28 # It's fully turned off, it's just not cleared first. 05.03.30 # piroko: we don't have an LCD controller shutdown sequence 05.03.37 # ok just checking. thanks 05.04.08 # Paul_The_Nerd: am I forgetting any outstanding bugs in playback currently? I know about seeking into, or within the last pcmbufsecs of the track, anything else I'm forgetting? 05.04.25 # crossfade doesn't always work. it seems kinda random 05.04.36 # but i guess that's an extra feature 05.04.40 # lostlogic: Not that I know of. It's a little hard to tell because half the time they're reporting a bug you fixed 2 or 3 hours before. =/ 05.05.01 # testing out the newest version now... 05.05.04 # piroko: depends on pcm buffer level, watch the audio thread debug screen and see if it works when the pcm buffer is high and not when it's low 05.05.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: ahaha, whoops :-P Well as always let me know via /msg or wiki, I sleep now. 05.05.55 # piroko: if that's not the case then I might have broken crossfade on codec changes or something of that stupid sort. 05.06.12 # lostlogic: I'll let you know if anything particularly drastic shows up. :) 05.06.14 Join Shonky [0] (n=christia@CPE-149-167-103-35.qld.bigpond.net.au) 05.06.15 # lostlogic: well, it works more often if I increase the disk buffer... 05.06.43 # piroko: increase the antiskip buffer? weird. 05.06.55 # yeah. it won't crossfade at all if it's at 5 seconds 05.07.02 # i have it at 5 minutes 05.07.07 # is there any harm in that? 05.07.17 # But the antiskip buffer should only affect the Compressed Buffer, right? 05.07.17 Quit airwolf4ever ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.07.17 # piroko: means the disk will spin up to rebuffer more often, but for less teim 05.07.25 # now im having trouble compiling 05.07.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: probably less likely to be buffer filling during track transition with a higher watermark 05.07.44 # i don't understand why you'd want to keep the disk buffer low... 05.08.00 # piroko: you want to fill it as rarely as possible to reduce battery usage 05.08.02 # piroko: It's not exactly what you think 05.08.06 # when i compile the source after patches i get this error: WARNING: The compiler you must use (arm-elf-gcc) is not in your path! 05.08.18 # piroko: What you're actually setting is "How much compressed audio do I have to go below, before the buffer refills" 05.08.25 # g'night rockboxers and slashdotters. 05.08.31 # then if i try to make anyway i get this make[1]: arm-elf-gcc: Command not found 05.08.36 # piroko: So, at 5 minutes, you can have the disk fail to read for 5 minutes before you get a skip. 05.09.09 # webguest38: then you didnt' install a CrossCompiler as the instructions say to do. 05.09.11 # webguest38: Then you don't have arm-elf-gcc in your path. It's a pretty clear error message. Are you on linux? 05.09.32 # webguest38: what're you using for your development environment? 05.09.36 # no, im running the BSD subsystem on OSX 05.09.40 # g'night lostlogic 05.09.43 # piroko: In the end, this means that the lower you set the value, the longer it plays between disk reads, but the more likely you'll get a skip if a disk read fails. 05.09.55 # webguest: I CAN HELP! 05.10.04 # webguest: do you have darwin ports installed? 05.10.15 # no, i have fink 05.10.52 Join NPswimdude500 [0] (n=0c4ba518@labb.contactor.se) 05.10.58 Quit cacophony ("quit") 05.11.07 # so i need to get the cross compiler and it should work? 05.11.33 # i personally have both, as they both have packages that the others don't. for instance, afaik fink doesn't have arm-elf-gcc. but darwin ports does 05.11.44 # hmm 05.11.46 # ok 05.11.51 # i'll try it out 05.11.51 # it's safe to run them both together 05.11.52 # thanks 05.12.12 # darwin ports uses /opt/local, fink uses /sw. no problem. once you get darwin ports running (not hard at all) a sudo fink install arm-elf-gcc 05.12.15 # should suffice 05.12.40 # takes a while to compile though, so be prepared to wait for a bit. it works fine though. 05.13.26 Quit StE_gUy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.13.41 # Paul_The_Nerd: what do you recommend I set the anti skip buffer to for optimal battery usage/skip prevention? 05.14.22 # damn. the pcm buffer fills really fast now... 05.14.47 # piroko: The lower you can set the anti-skip-buffer the better for the battery. So, basically, set it at the lowest, if you have skipping problems raise it a little, so on and so forth 05.16.25 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.16.45 # ah I get it now! if the buffer gets below 5 seconds, it will rebuffer, right? if I set it to five minutes, it will get below five minutes more often, and rebuffer more often, right? this doesn't effect _how much_ gets buffered. 05.16.57 Join dr3wster [0] (n=drew@pool-71-98-98-60.ipslin.dsl-w.verizon.net) 05.16.57 # Yeah 05.17.02 # Rockbox always uses as much as it can to buffer 05.17.11 # awesome. thanks for clarifying that for me :) 05.17.14 # Hey everyone, I just have a quck question: Can I still easily view txt files while using tagcache? 05.17.29 # dr3wster: Yes, by switching back to filetree mode and b rowsing to it. 05.17.31 # hold menu to switch to supported view 05.18.01 # Paul_The_Nerd, and you do that by holding menu like piroko said? 05.18.19 # all right, thanks:) 05.18.21 Quit dr3wster (Client Quit) 05.18.22 # Holding Menu gives you the Quick Menu, then tapping Play/Pause cycles through various file views 05.18.29 # Ah well 05.18.40 # Me and my accursed need to give full and complete answers 05.19.27 # heh. i always get a kick out of the clock applet in kde. set it to fuzzy mode, crank up the fuzziness, and all it says is "Weekend!" 05.19.48 # Hahaha 05.20.39 Join nle_ [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-15045.bb.online.no) 05.21.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.22.09 # holy crap since when is tag cache working again? i've never had any luck with it and all of a sudden it seems semi-perfect 05.22.11 Quit nle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.22.29 # Hehehe 05.22.35 # It's been working well again for a while 05.22.46 # piroko: tagcache? the initial version wasn't perfect, but it got sorted pretty quickly 05.22.51 # We like to sneak in the best fixes when people aren't looking. 05.23.02 # it left me with a blank artist list before 05.23.18 # curious 05.23.50 # sometimes I hate os x. it leaves all those retarded forks lying around like the .DS_STORE and ._ ALL OVER THE PLACE and rockbox tries to play them and crashes... ARGH 05.23.53 # The first time I used it, when it first arrived, my first run ignored all my flacs, but a rerun after deleting the cache files, worked fine. 05.24.03 Join ssstormy [0] (n=chatzill@ppp-71-139-60-251.dsl.snfc21.pacbell.net) 05.24.12 # piroko: There used to be a plugin that would scan your disk for those files and clear them. 05.24.24 # But it never got maintained or really tested 05.24.24 # what happened to it!? 05.24.28 # :( 05.24.31 # It was just a patch 05.24.39 # are there any development, partially functional builds for the 3G ipod? 05.24.42 # there's gotta be some way to prevent it from happening in os x. 05.24.50 # ssstormy: Yes, but no audio yet. 05.25.01 # Paul_The_Nerd: where would I find them? 05.25.16 Join angelashes [0] (n=angelash@64-136-201-141-dhcp-kc.everestkc.net) 05.25.17 # ssstormy: Check out the source from CVS, and compile it. 05.25.36 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok thanks. any special steps? 05.25.52 # Nope. When you get to the ../tools/configure choice, 3G is already in the list 05.28.36 Quit NPswimdude500 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 05.28.37 # is there a way to remove deleted files from the tagcache or does it need to be deleted and re-run? 05.29.10 Quit Apostle^ (Remote closed the connection) 05.29.41 # piroko: Unfortunately that's not a feature tagcache has yet. It will eventually, but it doesn't have it yet. =/ 05.30.36 # we probably need to start looking into building external tagcache builders as well, mostly for the people who don't want to flatten their battery just building the cache :) 05.31.25 # ok that's fine. it's just that it found all my ._files and it's really annoying so I went and deleted them all and now I need to update. maybe a patch could be put in to the tagcache builder that would prevent it from caching "._" files? it would be easy... 05.31.47 # my .c file got compiled to a .o but not a .rock... 05.31.59 # i find after i fully charge my ipod and reboot to rockbox it says i have 94% battery life left 05.32.02 # ._ files shouldn't be cached anyway, should they? I thought it only cached files with metadata. 05.32.05 # anyone have any apps for linux to suggest for recording? 05.32.18 # ssstormy: audacity.sf.net 05.32.19 # angelashes: Yeah, the battery % number may be a little off. 05.32.26 # angelashes: mine too 05.32.41 # VoltageX: any others? for some absurd reason audacity stopped working 4 me 05.32.49 # ssstormy: i agree with VoltageX. audacity is the ultimate 05.32.50 # oh 05.33.06 # oh 05.33.10 # hmm not really 05.33.19 # there'd be a cli app somewhere to record to .wav 05.33.21 # * ashridah suggests piroko should rephrase that as "pen-ultimate" 05.33.37 # Now talking in #audacity 05.33.37 # * Topic is 'Welcome to #audacity 05.33.41 # on this server 05.33.50 # you should ask them about your problem 05.33.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: It caches them under untagged 05.34.08 # piroko: Aaaah. 05.34.21 # piroko: I guess I never saw "Untagged" because all my files are tagged. Heheheh. 05.34.26 # yep 05.34.26 # :) 05.34.46 # it's still annoying... sorry I'm a very picky person. I could probably do the patch myself 05.35.09 # why doesn't my .c file get to .rock? 05.35.15 # only to .o 05.35.15 Join Kyomi [0] (n=a@24-196-196-108.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) 05.35.38 # just do an if not "._*" type statement for every file it tries to cache. that wouldn't slow it down too much, would it? 05.36.05 # piroko: text comparison is a little more difficult than that 05.36.15 # piroko: Well, depends on your definition of "too much" ;-) 05.36.56 # VoltageX: so far as i know, adding it to SOURCES in apps/plugins/ should be all that's necessary 05.37.13 # is there any caveat to running tagcache from disk/loading to ram? 05.37.28 # provided you've got the appropriate headers and macros like "PLUGIN_HEADER" in use 05.37.39 # Running it from disk means your disk will have to spin up to browse, but you have slightly more audio buffer (better battery life if you rarely browse) 05.38.00 # Now talking in #audacity 05.38.00 # * Topic is 'Welcome to #audacity 05.38.02 # Running it from RAM will mean the disk doesn't need to spin up to browse, but you have slightly less audio buffer (better if you browse alot) 05.38.03 # oohs !! 05.38.06 # oops sorry 05.38.12 # clipboard not working 05.38.31 # it's in SOURCES ashridah 05.39.30 # crap. i suppose i wasn't supposed to delete the tagnavi.config file? only the caches? 05.39.35 # Yea 05.39.39 # tagnavi.config is important 05.39.41 # oops 05.39.47 # reloading... 05.39.47 # VoltageX: then it should just happen, there's no way for the makefile to magically ignore one, so far asi can tell. you've tried make clean and a full rebuild? 05.39.49 # It's what makes tagcache customizable 05.42.06 # ashridah: rebuilding while I go have lunch. 05.42.19 # tagcache actually works? 05.42.44 # I checked on it in debug menu... And said something like "percent completed: -1%" 05.42.44 # Kyomi: It's "actually worked" for a while. It's just not always worked how people wanted it to. 05.42.52 # Kyomi: it's worked pretty well for me, although i don't use it, since i have far too many crazily tagged compilations 05.43.02 # Oh 05.43.04 # build-dir/apps/rockbox.bin is the program itself right? 05.43.09 # Whats car adapter mode? 05.43.12 # Kyomi: that menu's been broken the entire time :) 05.43.16 # When you're using an FM transmitter? 05.43.36 # ssstormy: After running "make" run "make zip" to get the same rockbox.zip you'd download from the site, and just use that. 05.43.48 # And why does windows and rockbox say I have 52MB and windows says I have 260somethingMB free? 05.43.52 # ashridah: The % works now 05.43.58 # errr.. second windows = original firmware 05.44.17 # Kyomi: because the original firmware sucks balls at keeping the freespace flags in fat in check 05.44.18 # Kyomi: Car adapter mode is used to control power on/off when plugged/unplugged (so it shuts off when you turn off your car) but doesn't really work for ipods at the moment 05.44.22 # Kyomi: Or H300 05.45.03 # Kyomi: Do you need to empty the recycle bin on it maybe? 05.45.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: what did you do to fix the %? there aren't any changes in the cvs, unless it takes a little time to update 05.46.20 # piroko: Well, last time I ran a forced tagcache update from scratch, then watched the % in the debug menu, it showed accurately as the tagcache was built 05.46.52 # ... nevermind. sorry I was thinking ipod battery %. off topic... 05.46.55 # I still think it's funny mine is -1% complete 05.47.43 # Beware the massive geek that is me and watch me copy over Monty Python and the Holy Grail script to read on my H320 XD 05.48.37 # I also got tired of removing all the themes/wps/rocks I never used/hated 05.48.45 # So I made a batch file to do it for me XD 05.49.44 # hmm I built rockbox, and I'm using the ipodloader2, and when I try to boot rockbox... the progress bar fills, then a message appears behind it and the ipod reboots 05.50.19 # ssstormy: You have rockbox.ipod and the .rockbox folder extracted in the root of the fat32 partition? 05.50.27 # yeah 05.50.41 # ssstormy: Also, I'm not sure how well loader2 and 3G rockbox get along. You're probably the first to try it. 05.51.19 # why me 05.51.20 # :O there are 775 KNOWN ISSUES? holy crap 05.51.41 # piroko: Where did you get that number? 05.51.47 # flyspray 05.51.53 # Showing tasks 41 - 60 of 775 05.52.05 # ssstormy: Because it doesn't play audio yet, and most people who are actually developing it use our bootloader (when they were around, which is no longer) 05.52.24 # piroko: Bugs, or is that including Feature Requests and Patches? Also, some of those are 2+ years old, and haven't been closed 05.53.11 # ah. that makes sense though. I was looking at everything. and the crossfade not working at 5second buffer was incorrect on my part. I had to perform a restart to get crossfade working properly. 05.53.32 # but it still is working randomly... 05.53.33 # :( 05.54.17 # Paul_The_Nerd: you mean no one is develing 3G ipod anymore!? 05.55.04 # ssstormy: Nobody here owns one, so it can't be developed directly. 05.55.18 # oh the arghness 05.55.27 # ssstormy: Basically we need someone with moderate or better programming experience who owns a 3G who will either sit around and test things, or work on it himself. 05.55.51 # well I can test everything you throw at me 05.55.57 # but I don't know a thing about programming 05.56.49 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.56.53 # read a programming book ;) sorry, had to state the obvious 05.57.39 # piroko: yeah I know I should. I would, but I've recently picked up some other hobbies before I could start programming. Like a girl. :P 05.57.41 # ssstormy: Well, I can't say exactly what's needed anyway. When Linuxstb starts being around, ask him if you can help with 3G in any way. 05.58.01 # ok 05.58.26 # linuxstb: hello, I'm just shouting at you. I'd like to help with the 3G tessting if I can, I have one myself. 05.59.38 # ssstormy: ah yes. girls can do that whole distraction thing :) 06.00.10 # piroko: yeah. I even had a book, learn C in 24 hours, next to my bed. Had to return it to the library though, after it had been overdue a few weeks 06.00.41 # when using tagcache, every once in a while i'll choose a file to play, and it'll go to the wps screen for like one second and then kick me back to the browser screen without starting playback. is this also known? 06.00.58 # well thanks guys, I'll check back in a while 06.01.16 Quit ssstormy ("ChatZilla 0.9.61 [Mozilla rv:1.7.12/20060308]") 06.02.20 # Anyone know if the midi function is even close to working? 06.02.32 # I could start exporting my music to midi :) 06.02.49 # Although mp3/ogg works.. I want to be difficult XD 06.03.00 # Kyomi: "Close" yes. But "Moving closer" no. 06.03.12 # piroko: I don't think it is known, but I'm not sure. 06.03.13 # So it hasn't moved since the doom update? 06.03.43 # Yup. And it didn't move for ages before tht 06.03.44 # that 06.03.47 # ooh there's a video plugin? it doesn't build though 06.04.07 # VoltageX: The Video Plugin is really not something you'd want to use... 06.04.28 # VoltageX: the video plugin is for a much older archos version 06.04.32 # * VoltageX adds to wishlist 06.05.07 # Someone make the midi function move ;_; 06.05.23 # Or else I'm wasting like 30MB 06.05.26 # that lcd bug on the ipod is kinda dangerous. if you don't notice it when the ipod shuts off, it could damage it potentially, couldn't it? 06.05.29 # I need a bigger HD 06.06.02 # when I turn it back on after leaving the line there for a minute or so, it stays on the screen for a good 30 seconds before disappearing 06.06.04 # I only have seasons 1-3.5 of ReBoot on my player... theres still 1.5 seasons left :P 06.06.15 # Kyomi: I have 1-4 :D 06.06.23 # I LOVE REBOOT! 06.06.46 # Kyomi: where did you get yours from? bittorrent? 06.06.50 # oh, god no, don't encourage each other 06.07.06 # ashridah: be quiet. ReBoot is the shit. ;) 06.07.17 # piroko: I have all the seasons :) 06.07.26 # Already encoded to .h300.avi 06.07.29 # ah. just 1-3.5 on the player. gotcha 06.07.30 # I just need more space 06.07.34 # I looked at a synopsis of an episode of reboot, WTF is it? 06.07.39 Join bancus [0] (n=treed@bia.crschmidt.net) 06.07.41 # Awesome 06.07.42 # :D 06.07.48 # yeah 06.07.48 # but what is it about? 06.07.53 # Especially the Megabyte concert one :D 06.07.59 # en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ReBoot 06.08.01 # sounds like a geek's LSD drug trip 06.08.03 # I recorded that and put it on myspace :D 06.08.05 # My favorite episode! 06.08.07 # VoltageX: cartoon about the personification of the insides of computers 06.08.12 # I have the song on itunes 06.08.21 # piroko: My fav ep is Game Over :) 06.08.24 # might have to have a look 06.08.25 # I sooooo want that fighting game 06.08.31 # The music is awesome 06.08.33 # that episode gave me chills. the one with megabyte vs. bob in the guitar solos 06.08.40 # Satan looks cool :D 06.08.42 # but I can't download anything because I'm speed limited to 10kb/s 06.08.48 # Andraia is hot :) 06.09.00 # I wonder if she's bi ^^; 06.09.21 # lol. so is hexadecimal :P 06.09.33 # wow, watch out lara http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/5/59/ReBoot_AndrAIa_1.jpg/100px-ReBoot_AndrAIa_1.jpg 06.09.36 # http://www.myspace.com/megami7502 -> click videos underneath my kitty pic 06.09.40 # :D 06.10.04 # dammit Kyomi. Now I'm gonna go watch a few episodes... And I was just about to sleep too... 06.10.10 # Nuuu 06.10.24 # Watch my like 2 mins of video :D 06.10.40 # Hehe 06.10.52 # A pic like that is my avatar on the 3dRealms forums :P 06.10.56 # 10kb/s is painful 06.12.15 # Megabyte: "I've always wanted to do that..." He's such a badass! :D 06.13.11 # I've been thinking of making a c64 remix with parts of that in it 06.13.27 # But I think it'd be awesome to use in my remix of the duke nukem 3d theme :D 06.13.32 # As somewhat of an intro 06.13.34 # * VoltageX needs reboot torrent 06.13.52 # VoltageX: you know.. there are like millions of torrentsites :P 06.14.02 # Kyomi: what do you use to do your audio creation? 06.14.07 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.08 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.14.08 # One that has something to do with a very small nova 06.14.17 # doh! the 4gb one with 4 series of it is dead 06.14.20 # And another one that spys on the torrents 06.14.27 # yes I know all them :D 06.14.34 # One with pirates... 06.14.38 # and bays... 06.14.39 # Oh 06.14.44 # piroko: Reason 3.0 :D 06.14.47 # and retractable batons 06.14.50 # on mac? 06.14.56 # Bah... fark mac :P 06.15.00 # :O 06.15.21 Part infamis 06.15.24 # please tell me you're a linux user 06.15.50 # Nope 06.15.59 # I don't advocate windows 06.16.09 Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) 06.16.11 # But I'd rather use something that makes somewhat of sense 06.16.18 # how hard is it to write a codec? I want to port fmod 06.16.19 # To each his own 06.16.22 # And doesn't require me to compile six million things 06.16.45 # And I mean heck... 98% of things are made for windows first.. if not only for 06.16.51 # Kyomi: you must be thinking of gentoo. Debian: apt-get install anything 06.17.00 # Yeah 06.17.05 # right, go with the flow, conform, be one with the crowd :P 06.17.06 # I also hate the names they give linux 06.17.22 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.17.23 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 06.17.27 # * VoltageX chants: fmod. fmod. fmod. fmod 06.17.29 # piroko: I'm not about to strain my brain just to play half-life 2 :P 06.17.35 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.17.39 # I like being able to get to it in like... 2 clicks 06.17.44 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 06.17.50 # Kyomi: I guess I'm fortunate to only play one game. nethack 06.17.51 # minus all of the steam crap 06.17.55 # and then wait for ten minutes while the level loads :P 06.17.55 # I understand 06.17.59 # one game? 06.18.02 # You poor soul 06.18.02 # nethack 06.18.09 # it's all my soul needs :D 06.18.11 # I played that a bit 06.18.14 # Got bored with it 06.18.19 # VoltageX: the hard part about porting a codec comes in a few ways. a) license (must be GPL compatible), b) floating-point usage (can't use floating point math) and c) optimisation (getting it to run quickly once it runs at all) 06.18.21 # I'd rather play a MUD :P 06.18.22 # has anyone considered a port of nethack to rockbox? 06.18.31 # Kyomi: oh yeah, I've done that too. aardwolf 06.18.32 # nethack pissed me off 06.18.42 # ashridah: a) is ok 06.18.43 # bancus: i almost suggested that idea earlier today 06.18.46 # Thers supposedly a board you can get that makes you un-detectable 06.18.47 # Didn't work 06.18.56 # Then when you have to change around files 06.18.57 # ashridah: the rest, I'm screwed coz I'm a C noob 06.19.01 # I did EXACTLY what it said to do 06.19.02 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 06.19.05 # omg. 06.19.08 # hi guys :) 06.19.11 # And it was like.. "You didn't complete the job" 06.19.12 # so no python interpreter for rockbox, eh? :D 06.19.21 # Kyomi: what are you talking about? 06.19.26 # bancus: that would rule 06.19.28 # nethack :P 06.19.38 # a board that makes you un-detectable? 06.19.39 # bancus: but be pointless 06.19.40 # just like to say.. Rockbox pwns so hard. has fixed all my issues with ipod+linux :) 06.19.54 # well, given that rockbox doesn't really have a virtual memory implementation, an interpreted language might be a bit hard to implement 06.19.58 # VoltageX: I dunno if it'd be pointless 06.20.06 # C is a bitch to code in. 06.20.15 # quick question, how do I install a "WPS" theme. 06.20.17 # Of course, I used to code ASM, but then, python has made me soft. 06.20.31 # mono on rockbox! ha ;D 06.20.31 # piroko 06.20.31 # dj-fu: copy it to .rockbox/wps, I think 06.20.35 # * piroko codes in machine code 06.20.36 # bancus, thanks, thought as much. 06.20.46 # Kyomi 06.20.46 # bancus: are you any good at C? 06.20.46 # it depends on the theme 06.20.49 # I love drag'n'drop DAP 06.20.49 # VoltageX: I used to be 06.20.51 # Yeah... you can upgrade your internet/motherboard/ram/etc 06.21.02 # piroko: punch cards ftw! 06.21.10 # I haven't coded C since rhythmbox 0.6something 06.21.27 # bancus: I need to find someone to port fmod to rockbox 06.21.29 # lol 06.21.37 # With my fulltime job and all, I don't have much coding time 06.21.49 # and prefer not to spend it banging my head up against the wall with inferior languages 06.22.19 # No pascal for you :P 06.22.31 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.22.32 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 06.22.44 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.22.56 # bancus: Did you just call C an inferior language? I hope you're not trying to pass opinion off as the actual case. 06.23.14 # VoltageX: i assume fmod is a tracker codec? or am i way off? 06.23.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: It's my opinion, sure. 06.23.25 # ashridah: one of the best tracker codecs 06.23.28 # I admit C has its uses, but *shrug*. 06.23.39 # bancus: So what would you code a firmware for an embedded device in? 06.23.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: asm 06.23.48 # VoltageX: what language is it written in? the only fmod i know is a commercial audio library 06.23.50 # I'm not saying rockbox shouldn't be in C. 06.23.59 # It should be in asm XD 06.24.04 # Ooo! 06.24.06 # o.O I'm sure there was a GNU tracker codec 06.24.06 # I'm just stating my preference for my personal hobby time. 06.24.07 # Make it in java :D 06.24.20 # Then I might be able to do something 06.24.21 # mikmod? 06.24.29 # VoltageX: besides, i thought someone was working on using DUMB or something 06.24.30 # Kyomi: ew :x 06.24.36 # DOH fmod isn't gpl 06.24.46 # what is it? 06.24.50 # ashridah: they would be my hero if they are 06.24.52 # bancus: mikmod's pretty much out of the question, it's pretty inferior in comparison to other mod players 06.24.54 # bancus: Then that hardly makes C an "inferior" language, if it's the tool suitable for the task. 06.25.10 # Paul_The_Nerd: and my task is enjoying myself on the weekend 06.25.12 Quit angelashes () 06.25.20 # Which C is hardly suitable for. 06.25.49 # VoltageX: i'd hit up the rockbox forums and look around for references to DUMB and whatnot. 06.26.00 # bancus: so, rockbox should change to give you a hobby? 06.26.04 # ... 06.26.07 # Scroll up. 06.26.09 # bancus: Ah, but the subject here is working on Rockbox, and at no point before did you mention the words "enjoying" or "weekend" so one can only assume its effectiveness was being judged for the aforementioned task of coding Rockbox. 06.26.12 # heh 06.26.14 # Did I *ever* say that rockbox shouldn't be in C? 06.26.20 # sorry, i'm being deliberately obtuse :) 06.26.23 # :P 06.26.24 # * Paul_The_Nerd grins 06.26.47 # 21:21 < bancus> With my fulltime job and all, I don't have much coding time 06.26.47 # 21:21 < bancus> and prefer not to spend it banging my head up against the wall 06.26.47 # with inferior languages 06.26.48 # I have no stick with which to beat the denizens of the forum, so I must enjoy myself here to survive. 06.26.59 # The idea there was relating that it's a hobby. 06.27.09 # Someone asked if I knew C, I was merely talking about it. 06.27.27 # * Paul_The_Nerd needs badly a 'forum denizen beating stick' of some sort. 06.27.31 # Heh. 06.27.43 # but yeah. C's painfulness comes from how it's used more than anything. 06.27.47 # right, is there a way to like, add all the music to a playlist with this? I'm new, is there a wiki that I can oorgle over somewhere? 06.27.57 # I absolutely love having drag'n'drop.. means I don't ahve to reboot to itune. 06.28.00 # ashridah: Have you ever see GObj-C? 06.28.02 # seen 06.28.02 # i doubt rockbox's architecture is perfect, but i'm willing to bet it's not deliberately painful 06.28.06 # It's *hideous*. 06.28.14 # My god is it ever evil. 06.28.18 # Please to compare these two "It doesn't work" threads: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3567.0 and http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3569.0 06.28.21 # argh. too late... need sleep... goddnight everyone 06.28.26 # It's the reason I only did one bugfix for Rhythmbox. 06.28.29 # as in goodnight... 06.28.41 # dj-fu: go to the root of your player, hit the menu button, playlist options, create playlist 06.28.56 # They both have their problems, (one is a typical "I got an error message but kept going for no apparent reason, without asking for help") but clearly one is much less frustrating than the other 06.28.57 # Figuring out where the menu button was on an X5 was interesting. 06.29.06 # you'll get a .m3u containing all your music called root.m3u in the root of the device. 06.29.28 # ashridah: DUMB is kind of a hard keyword to search for :D 06.29.38 # VoltageX: libdumb? 06.29.42 # heh 06.30.10 # but dumb, codec, and mod or tracker probably should narrow it down a bit 06.30.57 # ty ashridah 06.31.03 # VoltageX: anyway, i seem to recall the issue with trackers being more in how to deal with inserting them into the playback system, since you can't start decoding one without loading it entirely into memory, if memory serves 06.31.23 # holy crap this owns 06.32.09 # I get the feeling I'm going to have to make my own wps. 06.32.15 # None of them quite manage what I want. 06.32.21 # But, the good news is, I can. 06.32.28 # the ipod nano vision looks quite nice 06.32.39 # something minimalistic with a black background wins 06.32.42 # yes, that is a pleasantness, although the wps syntax is a bit arcane :) 06.32.44 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.32.44 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 06.32.56 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.35.06 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.35.06 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 06.35.18 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.39.54 # * Kyomi uses the Trinity 24-bit wps v1.0 and still can't get some parts of it to display right 06.40.57 Quit Gena (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.41.55 # this is the only real reference to libdumb 06.41.56 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=1030.msg5571#msg5571 06.41.58 # rockbox makes baby jesus dance 06.42.12 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.42.12 Quit webguest38 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.45.00 # it's there: http://www.rockbox.org/viewcvs.cgi/apps/codecs/dumb/ 06.45.08 # but not in a usable state i don't think 06.45.58 # I want midi function now 06.46.03 # I want to work on my music now >_< 06.46.09 # Kyomi: I want tracker music now 06.46.27 # I want now 06.46.35 # I want money now 06.46.36 # not looking good for me, the libdumb files haven't been touched for 4-12 months 06.46.39 # so transcode it 06.46.39 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzzzzz") 06.46.41 # omg. Doom 06.46.43 # So I can buy more.... boots ^^ 06.46.56 # dj-fu: You're about a month late with that... I beat you to it ^^; 06.47.05 # yeah 06.47.13 # I've been toying with gtkpod and banshee trying to get something to work 06.47.17 # and then, a light shon upon me 06.47.21 # and I found rockbox 06.47.23 # power to the people 06.48.33 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 06.48.37 # lol 06.48.40 # hi sexy 06.49.04 # dj-fu: iPodLinux be fun, too... (though not as music-oriented) 06.49.22 # that's the only reason I have one of these godforsaken things... music 06.49.28 # imported it cheap from japan, only 200 nzd 06.49.30 # 5g for porn. 06.49.43 # hi kid 06.49.43 # only reason. 60 gigs of the stuff 06.49.43 # ;] 06.49.57 # porn on 5g, rofl 06.50.07 # :P 06.50.10 # 60 gigsB 06.50.11 # I need 30 gig 06.50.13 # i mean 06.50.21 # So I can fit the complete ReBoot saga on it :) 06.50.21 # wow 06.50.56 # :) 06.50.58 # let's keep the topics clean in here, please 06.51.03 # kthxbye 06.51.04 # ok sorry 06.51.20 # i put CARTOONS 06.51.27 # you guys mostly nix users, or windows? 06.52.12 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.52.33 # mixed I guess 06.52.58 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.52.58 # I know a lot of nix users in here, but I also hear a lot about cygwin development 06.53.07 Part Tarantulafudge 06.53.41 # I'm windows user 06.53.56 Quit vmx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.53.56 # boo! 06.54.00 # * BHSPitLappy throws a stone at Jungti1234 06.54.25 Join vmx [0] (i=oma@p549B695B.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.54.42 # * Jungti1234 throws more stone at BHSPitLappy 06.55.08 # * BHSPitLappy is protected from your stones by THE POWER OF LINUX 06.55.34 # pwned. 06.55.39 # mv stones /dev/null 06.55.47 # Hahaha 06.55.48 # just -j DROP them 06.55.49 # ;) 06.56.06 # * dj-fu raises hand like Neo 06.56.10 # Hah, I am protected by iptables. 06.56.22 # * Jungti1234 believes that power of Windows is stronger than LINUX power. 06.56.45 # * Kyomi throws bill gates at BHSPitLappy 06.56.59 # * BHSPitLappy stands protected still 06.57.01 # * Kyomi then throws steve jobs at him while he's not looking 06.57.33 # * Jungti1234 is helping Kyomi. 06.57.50 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.57.50 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 06.58.01 # wow 06.58.02 # * dj-fu dies 06.58.02 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 06.58.05 # doom actually plays. 06.58.12 # hehehe 06.58.23 # * Kyomi hurls a few penguins wrapped in dynamite at BHSPitLappy for good measure 06.58.32 # dj-fu: Why would we say we had doom if it didn't play? 06.58.33 # mind you, I expected as much. 06.58.48 # Paul_The_Nerd, I don't know - this is my first day. I kinda expected issues ;) 06.58.48 # Kyomi, :D 06.58.50 # ./configure && make nuclear warhead 06.58.58 # * BHSPitLappy still prefers iDoom, despite lack of sound 06.59.05 # dj-fu: There's issues, but it mostly works. 06.59.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: I've just checked out libdumb from the cvs, theres one patch, then how do i get rockbox's make script to build it? 07.00.16 # >_< 07.00.17 # Alright 07.00.23 # Thats one thing I HATE 07.00.31 # That stupid i infront of everything 07.00.47 # Alright... xbox ruined Doom... ipod isn't doing it too 07.00.53 # So just sod right off 07.01.08 # Or call it by the right name 07.01.59 # Thats one thing I HATE 07.02.02 # what is it that you hate? 07.02.07 # I missed it 07.02.08 # people that do nothing but complain 07.02.11 # question to everyone... 07.02.16 # I've just checked out libdumb from the cvs, theres one patch, then how do i get rockbox's make script to build it? 07.02.18 # yammy 07.02.38 # Ice cream is very cool 07.02.47 # doh. can't exit snake2 on ipodnano ;D 07.02.48 # * dj-fu reboots 07.03.29 # yeah, some of em don't have enlightened key settings 07.03.31 # BHSPitLappy: HOw is that complaining? 07.03.41 # Kyomi: ... how is it not? 07.03.42 # That's stating a fact :P 07.03.58 # Doom should be pc only... it started on pc 07.04.02 # :( 07.04.05 # If you wanna play it.. get a farking pc 07.04.16 # Not some pos laptop console 07.04.23 # VoltageX: Add it to the makefile, I think 07.04.29 # Kyomi: you don't want doom on rockbox? 07.04.31 # I mean seriously... it's just a laptop with a gamepad 07.04.32 # I want to play starcraft in my H300. :D 07.04.42 # VoltageX: Sorry for the slow response time tonight. A little... distracted 07.04.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not sure how to do that... 07.04.48 # VoltageX: Doom on rockbox is awesome :) 07.04.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: you're not paid to be here, so I understand fully 07.05.02 # As long as it doesn't get called something stupid... like iDoom 07.05.02 # VoltageX: Well, I know it's not anywhere near a usable state anyway 07.05.07 # It may be foolish ideas. hehe 07.05.25 # VoltageX: But I think there should be a makefile in the codecs folder that tells it which other folders to include, but I'm not sure 07.05.25 # Jungti1234: You know... I was thinking about that 07.05.30 Join webguest82 [0] (n=811564e4@labb.contactor.se) 07.05.32 # Jungti1234: It could be possible :) 07.05.36 # wow 07.05.40 # Can I donate money somewhere 07.05.41 # for this 07.05.43 # There aren't that many commands at all 07.05.45 # hahaha, really? 07.06.03 # hm 07.06.05 # nm 07.06.06 # found it 07.06.08 # It's just basically a mouse... which is the arrows on the player :) 07.06.21 # Although it might be a bit slower since you can't have all the key combos 07.06.44 # Even if it's not starcraft, I am fine. 07.07.13 # Game such as starcraft is fine. 07.09.55 # * dj-fu donated to bjorn, whoever that is. 07.10.13 # Donate to me :D 07.10.18 # Even though I'm not on there 07.10.23 # I need money ;_; 07.10.23 # not that rich 07.10.27 # used up all my paypals just then 07.11.22 # Hehehe 07.11.33 # do wps backdrops have to be a certain type of bmp? 07.11.36 # can't find any good docs on it 07.11.43 # * dj-fu busts some gimp-fu 07.12.06 Quit zerotrace ("leaving") 07.12.06 # Kyomi, I'm a poor student. :'( 07.14.58 Quit webguest82 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.15.24 # well I added dumb to the makefile where it looks as it should be, but it's not making it 07.15.30 # there's a dumb section in the makefile 07.15.32 # dj-fu: 24-bit, same dimensions as the screen 07.15.36 # and it seems to skip it 07.15.43 # sweet, got it 07.15.54 # is ther a way to select a .bmp for backdrop.. or do I have to edit a .wps to load it 07.17.15 # dj-fu: To use it in a WPS you use the %X tag (capital X) 07.17.34 # sweet 07.17.38 # To use it as a menu backdrop, you set it to show all files, browse to /.rockbox/backdrops (where the file needs to be) and click and hold on the .bmp and then choose Set as Backdrop 07.17.44 # oh 07.17.45 # dope 07.19.00 # If I was a blog guy. I'd so blog about this 07.19.23 # Heh 07.21.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: does the fact that it's skipping libdumb mean that it's totally broken? 07.21.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.21.59 # backdrop as in background while the music isn't playing? 07.22.01 # VoltageX: Nah. If it were broken in that way, you'd get warnings/errors from compiling. It's not added right, though I honestly can't say how it needs to be. I've never tinkered with that one. 07.22.09 # Kyomi: As in background behind the menus and file tree. 07.22.10 # backdrop as in the background on any screen 07.22.16 # I'm guessing it has to be 220x176? Or does it auto-scale? 07.22.17 # and the wps too no? 07.22.27 # nano's are a little smaller 07.22.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: who would know? I'm really really wanting to play tracker music 07.23.29 # Kyomi: Has to mate exactly 07.23.40 # hey 07.23.51 # a lot of the cvs dumb stuff is done by 'hlc' but there's no contact details 07.23.53 # dj-fu: If the WPS does not define a backdrop in it, I believe it uses the menu one. Otherwise if it has a %X tag it uses its own 07.23.56 # Kyomi: Match, rather 07.24.15 # Argh 07.24.16 # VoltageX: HCl, I thought. 07.24.25 # Someone make an auto-scaler :P 07.24.36 # Like when you're viewing an image :) 07.24.49 # Kyomi: Or you could just resize the image in almost ANY program. 07.24.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: dyslexics untie! 07.24.59 # I wonder.... 07.25.09 # VoltageX: HCl is in this room right now, but probably not at the computer. I haven't seen him speak in ages. 07.25.35 # think he would kill me for /msg'ing him? 07.25.47 # Who knows. 07.26.34 # Paul_The_Nerd: we'll find out :) 07.26.37 Quit kidd3ckz ("(wiRC v7.0) download it @ www.warIRC.com") 07.26.53 # Why volume of Rockbox default setting is -25db? 07.27.16 # Why not? 07.27.29 # I probably blown my hearing 07.27.30 # Isn't it loudness? 07.27.39 # I keep it at -20DB 07.27.52 # Then -5DB in the car and the car volume is like 40 07.27.54 # Some people think -25 is loud (I do) and others think it is soft. 07.28.04 # ... 07.28.14 # whoa, that's quiet. 07.28.18 # -45 is most suitable. 07.28.20 # I was running it at about -6 07.28.29 # directly to headphones 07.28.43 # dj-fu: Yes.. you lost your hearing 07.28.49 # I listen at -55 at home. 07.28.52 # Or you're music is EXTREMELY low volume 07.28.53 # neg 07.28.56 # my hearings is fine 07.28.56 # Paul, me too 07.28.57 # lol 07.29.04 # I just don't like to hear anything else :) 07.29.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: How do you even hear it at that level? 07.29.14 # Kyomi: It's quite clear. 07.29.16 # I surprise because of Rockbox... 07.29.17 # dj-fu: Thats why I have -20 :P 07.29.22 # Maybe -18 07.29.35 Join paco [0] (n=42411039@labb.contactor.se) 07.29.35 # My ear may tear 07.29.40 # hey guys 07.29.49 # Kyomi: Though because my desktop's cooling is a bit noisy, I had to up it to -40 right now 07.29.51 # But Cradle of Filth at like.... > -18 is like "You want your ears to bleed?" 07.30.15 # lol, digging up the corpses aororraarrrgghhh! 07.30.51 # when i try to make the source i get this error: make[1]: *** [/Users/powerbook/desktop/1/rockbox/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1 07.31.11 # any suggestions? 07.31.22 # paco: Try doing a "make clean" and try again? 07.31.28 # ok 07.32.02 # You're on a mac? 07.32.14 # Thats why ;) 07.32.22 # yeah 07.32.30 # nothing happened 07.32.35 # too bad 07.32.48 # Is your rockbox patched at all? 07.32.55 # yes 07.33.00 # What patch? 07.33.30 # 3 07.33.36 # hold on 07.33.54 # Try removing them all, making a new build directory, and see if it builds 07.34.30 # ok 07.34.54 # You should always make sure building unpatched works before installing patches, so you know if they broke your build, or there's some other problem 07.36.05 # in new to this :( 07.36.15 # No worries 07.36.18 # That's why I'm here to help 07.36.45 Join cacophony [0] (i=kvirc@user-0cetr2a.cable.mindspring.com) 07.36.55 # Heyy.... 07.37.11 # hrm 07.37.13 # Isn't a cacophone that floating cyclops enemy in Doom? 07.37.17 # does ipod nano battery checkin work? 07.37.28 # Kyomi: Cacodemon 07.37.34 # dj-fu: Eeeeeeh. 07.37.38 # It's red... and you shoot it with the chaingun and it can't fire... XD 07.37.45 # eeeeh? 07.38.14 # dj-fu: I don't know if it's enabled in CVS. It kinda works, but it's rather inaccurate. I think that's more of a hardware thing, as even in Retail it wasn't terribly accurate. 07.38.25 # ic 07.38.33 # i got a daily build of ipod nano 07.38.34 # so maybe it does 07.38.35 # good m0rning 07.38.42 # meh, I'm just glad I can drag'n'drop 07.38.47 # Mornin' amiconn 07.39.02 # nah, same error 07.39.10 # lostlogic: I hope your new_track change doesn't break mp3 gapless .... 07.39.19 # this is what i got: cc1: Invalid option `long-calls' 07.39.29 # make[1]: *** [/Users/paul/desktop/1/1/1/build/firmware/sysfont.o] Error 1 07.39.38 # make: *** [all] Error 2 07.39.52 # paco: Ah, see, you didn't give me that first part. 07.40.08 # oh, my fault 07.40.18 # paco: Unfortunately, I know little of how to compile it properly on OSX, but that says to me that your C compiler doesn't work for this purpose. 07.40.42 # that's too bad 07.40.52 # 99 users 07.40.55 # who will be the 100th 07.40.59 # ? :O 07.41.05 # looks like its time to get out the dual boot 07.41.16 # paco: What GCC version are you using, and did you compile it yourself or is it just a packaged one? 07.41.23 # so which would you guys rather have 07.41.37 # dual booting osx and windows on a pc 07.41.41 # or dual booting osx and windows on a mac 07.41.47 # 4.0.1 and its packaged 07.41.50 # Ah 07.41.54 # dual booting osx and gentoo 07.41.54 # and why 07.42.08 # I guess that works too 07.42.11 # i dont have an intel mac 07.42.14 # paco: on what platform 07.42.18 # * Paul_The_Nerd wold rather avoid OSX altogether as it offers him nothing. 07.42.24 # THATS THE SPIRIT 07.42.25 # yeah 07.42.26 # you know 07.42.30 # I installed itunes today 07.42.30 # dont 07.42.34 # and it installed a rootkit 07.42.35 # Yay! 07.42.35 # on my pc 07.42.35 # they're not worth it 07.42.44 # I agree with pabs 07.42.45 # yeah, its bull 07.42.47 # I agree with Paul_The_Nerd 07.42.47 # I dont understand how apple fanboys can be so high and mighty 07.42.48 # :D 07.43.01 # I dont understand how apple fanboys can be so high and mighty, and look down on the sony drm issue, when itunes does the same thing 07.43.04 # they're just trendy idiots that have no idea about anything 07.43.07 # it tried to install a driver to my cdrom 07.43.10 # and when I blocked it 07.43.12 # it disabled my cdrom 07.43.16 # lol 07.43.39 Part Paul_The_Nerd 07.43.49 # i bought this laptop 2 years ago, it runs fine, but definately not worth the money 07.44.11 # anyway, looks like my c compiler is insufficient 07.44.18 # which is muy mericon 07.44.38 # this is a european channel, right? 07.44.52 # I dunno 07.45.05 # I'm not from europe and I'm in it 07.45.13 # no 07.45.25 # youre looking for rockbox on freenode.eu 07.45.28 # :p 07.45.48 # paco: what platform? 07.46.04 # bloodshed is a good standards compliant one for windows 07.46.25 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 07.46.32 # you, im not in europe right now either 07.46.58 # i have the powerpc-apple-darwin8-gcc-4.0.1 07.47.05 Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) 07.47.16 # which means that im running tiger with gcc 4 07.49.07 # 100 members 07.49.29 # Well, specifically if you're making for ipod, which arm-elf-gcc version? 07.50.05 # head-shoulders-knees-and-toes-knees-and-toes? 07.50.26 # arm-elf-gcc 2.95.3 (295) 07.50.58 # Ick 07.51.04 # You need to be using 4.0 or better 07.51.10 # ah 07.52.29 # * Paul_The_Nerd is soon going to want a new Title for in the forum. 07.52.46 # :( I wish I was good at C 07.53.16 # VoltageX: I wish I was good at _something_... 07.53.18 # im trying to get a class started in my school 07.53.53 # but unfortunately its much too "macho" and chauvanistic for a serious computer course 07.55.18 # paco: you a C programmer? 07.55.21 # so what does that make a serious computer course, feminine? 07.55.28 # lol 07.56.24 # not at all 07.57.12 # schools are mostly about rugby 07.57.17 # and/or football 07.57.21 # programming is illegal 07.57.30 # but i attend a more traditional school that appreciate football players basking heads more than computer nerds like myself that crunce numbers 07.57.51 # ^^ 07.57.52 # Not if your school is the top in the state...academic decathalon was what 'school' was about 07.58.00 # VoltageX: no, im barely proficcient in it 07.58.15 # yeah, well mine isnt 07.58.49 # the athletes were the minority (and were also pathetic, at that) at my school 07.59.00 # lol 07.59.18 # the IT guys at my school are the most incompetent people ever 07.59.38 Join Slocketman [0] (n=41188b41@labb.contactor.se) 07.59.40 # are they drunks? 07.59.44 # incompetent? how so? 08.00.02 # wannabe IT dudes 08.00.10 # !help 08.00.24 # yeah 08.00.28 # right... / 08.00.40 # left...? 08.00.50 # they sit in their little room all day and do nothing 08.01.00 # Do SD cards come in different physical size? 08.01.03 # they dont patch, upgrade, or fix anything 08.01.10 # * Paul_The_Nerd though standard SD cards where a standard size 08.01.11 # tried to use ! instead of / for a command... 08.01.17 # Paul_The_Nerd: there's SD and MiniSD 08.01.23 # MiniSD isn't SD though 08.01.31 # it's miniSD 08.01.31 # and isnt there an xSD? 08.02.05 # Specifically relating to this: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3574.msg26304;topicseen#msg26304 though I thought it was just supposed to only support one of those two types in the slot anyway 08.02.09 # at my school we got root for 2 whole years before they found out 08.02.15 # * Paul_The_Nerd unfortunately is a lot less capable of helping Archos users 08.02.23 # lol 08.02.29 # that's cool 08.02.32 # damn novell 08.02.47 # they run windows server 2003 at mine 08.03.04 # one of the guys barely speaks english 08.03.17 # those are the best kinds of IT people! 08.03.31 # and if there's something wrong with a computer, his solution is to take out a hard drive and put in another 08.03.33 # infamis: on mac you can get root by hitting apple+s at boot 08.03.40 # hax. 08.04.06 # I hate macs...though I've never used them :) 08.04.14 # they're alright 08.04.22 # looks to cartoony 08.04.24 # solidly built, but not worth the money 08.04.27 # like windows xp default theme 08.04.32 # lol 08.04.39 # you mean the fisher price theme 08.05.06 Join iPotato [0] (n=iPotato@cpe-66-67-232-248.rochester.res.rr.com) 08.05.25 # so i got arm-elf-gcc 4.0.0.1 but when i make the file it says that im still using arm-elf-gcc 2.95.3 08.05.31 # yeah just give me a rectangular, solid-colored window with normal times font & I'm good 08.06.06 # yeah, i dont really like fancy shells 08.06.09 # do you install in the same dir? 08.06.13 # *did 08.06.16 # i like the fluxbox 08.06.36 # or the windows blackbox port if in useing windows 08.06.39 # using* 08.07.15 # yep, bb4win is neato. 08.07.21 # i think i'm using... zezayer? 08.07.22 # paco: Well, you need to probably overwrite 2.95.3, or remove it from the path, and then put 4.0.0.1 in the path 08.07.31 # yes. zezayer is nice 08.07.36 # or change the symlink to point at 4.0.0.1 08.07.39 # (lol)? 08.07.48 # problem is that i cant find the 2.95.3 path 08.07.52 # is this on mac? 08.07.53 # do a whereis 08.07.56 # yep 08.08.00 # shit :) 08.08.03 # I don't know crap about mac console 08.08.09 # im gouging my eyes out at this point 08.08.09 # ^ditto 08.08.14 # if it's like nix, `which gcc` 08.08.21 # well, lets put it like this 08.08.48 # its a shitty mock-up for a *nix terminal with 1/1000 of the functionality 08.08.56 # its gcc 4.0.0.1 08.09.36 Quit Jungti1234 () 08.09.53 Part iPotato 08.10.06 # or do the #1 incompetent-IT solution: format your drive & reinstall the OS 08.10.22 # lol 08.10.29 # install ubuntu dapper drake 08.10.31 # power to the people 08.10.41 # i havent tried that out yet 08.10.44 # any good? 08.10.48 # fully 08.10.57 # http://deejayfuzion.t4c0.info/music/Screenshot.png 08.10.58 # its just a graphical installer, right? 08.11.14 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.11.15 # oh, nice 08.11.20 # ;] 08.11.29 # I've disabled that as latest updates are broken 08.11.32 # hoping for a fix asap 08.11.35 # although it's very nice, even without that. 08.11.40 # has something for evetything i wanna do 08.11.43 # dj-fu: wth?? 3d desktop? 08.11.48 # infamis, correct 08.11.50 # nice, no? 08.11.55 # indeed 08.12.05 # My four workspaces are mapped onto the horizontal faces of a cube 08.12.16 # not to mention windows which "wobble" and become transparent when moved 08.12.17 # I'm too plain of a guy to want all that :) 08.12.20 # lol :) 08.12.22 # im thinkin of just getting an old ubuntu disk, going into live and seeing if this will work from there 08.12.27 # it has the Mac OS "expose" trick, too. 08.12.34 # lol 08.12.44 # it's a pity the extension required to do some of that stuff hasn't been finalized in nvidia's 3d driver. 08.12.52 # only for aiglx 08.12.57 # (well, finalized full stop, really, since it hasn't standardized) 08.13.14 # yeah, cause im stuck with nvidea crap, and the nv driver really doesnt suffice 08.13.28 # nvidia support for Xgl is > ati 08.13.30 # that's actually really useful, because without it n00bs go "wtf where's my desktop" when they accidentally switch desktops 08.13.31 # and I run ATI (go figure) 08.13.50 # lol 08.14.07 Join sayocean [0] (n=say@c-67-184-76-109.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 08.14.10 # Galois: I used to do that...til I only limited myself to 1 workspace 08.14.13 # whereas with the cube graphic, the n00b goes "hey neat" and actually tries to figure out how it works 08.14.21 # got a question for anyone who can help me ipod G5 08.14.29 # on itunes, i have a song that shows up 08.14.33 # but on the ipod, it is missing.. 08.14.35 # any idea what is going on? 08.14.42 # dj-fu: ah, not quite. the Xgl stuff uses an extension that even the most recent nvidia drivers hacen't supported yet, so you're stuck with mesa for the effects (not that they're slow with mesa, surprisingly, they're pretty fast) 08.14.43 # rm -rf itunes/ 08.14.47 # rockbox doesn't show your itunes files 08.14.51 # galois 08.14.58 # im talking about apple firmware 08.14.59 # lol 08.15.10 # can't help you there, I've never used itunes 08.15.14 # anyone? 08.15.17 # ashridah, !?! I did not know that. I thought that extension was only used for aiglx, not xgl 08.15.26 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-155-57.dyn.iinet.net.au) 08.15.27 # cya guys, im booting into dedicated linux 08.15.28 # it shows up on itunes under 'iPod' 08.15.33 # yep 08.15.37 # not this mac os x mockup bull 08.15.41 # adios 08.15.43 Quit paco ("CGI:IRC") 08.15.46 # but when i disconnect 08.15.48 # sayocean, it's probably in the iTunesDB, but not on the drive. 08.15.51 # and look at my ipod 08.15.54 # its not there 08.15.56 # ^^ 08.15.59 # infamis: http://people.freedesktop.org/~davidr/xgl-demo1.xvid.avi btw. it's 58MB, but well worth watching for the effects 08.16.01 # dj fu and idea how to remedy it? 08.16.08 # I had the same issues, and gave up. now I run rockbox 08.16.17 # sayocean: Is it a store bought file? What format is it? 08.16.28 # its a song i ripped from a cd 08.16.29 # mp3 08.16.32 # lol 08.16.39 # try find it in disk mode? 08.16.48 # dunno...I'm anti-iPod but've had to mess with iPod/itunes for my girlfriend & dad's iPods 08.16.58 # sayocean: And it doesn't show up in TagCache? Have you tried forcing a clean tagcache update (deleting the old tagcache files?) 08.17.11 # paul, this is for apple firmware 08.17.20 # i forgot to mention, i can find the song via SONGS 08.17.27 # but when i go through Artists, its not there 08.17.36 # Sounds like it doesn't have a proper Artist tag then 08.17.36 # but on my itunes, its tagged correctly 08.17.37 # incorrectly tagged? 08.17.44 # its correctly tagged 08.17.46 # There's *something* wrong with the tag 08.17.48 # i have two versions of the song 08.17.49 # sayocean, are you tagging it on the iPod or in your library? 08.17.52 # one original, one remix 08.17.55 # the remix one doesnt show 08.17.57 # Or at least, there's something wrong with how Apple supports the tag. 08.18.01 # library 08.18.02 # i've only had that problem when the artist tag is missing.. 08.18.11 # sayocean: This is really something you should be asking Apple, as we're Rockbox, a very very very different style of group 08.18.11 # it needs to be tagged on the iPod of course.. 08.18.13 # anyway to rebuild the itunes.db ? 08.18.27 # by the way, this is one of the reasons I hate itunes: it adds an unwelcome layer of complexity between the keyboard and your files 08.18.28 # just go to 'iPod' in iTunes, and retag it directly on the iPod. 08.18.39 # grr. 08.18.41 # did that 08.18.52 # with a file-browser approach, there's no question as to whether you have the right tag or not 08.18.56 # then it'd work, something didn't happen right.. 08.19.02 # see what the tags actually are using winamp or something 08.19.58 # anyone here use Ephod ? 08.20.28 # the whole iTunesDB system is shite 08.20.32 # I'm glad to be rid of my iPod software 08.20.37 # I used to back in '02 08.20.46 # ..use ephpod 08.21.02 # ok 08.21.04 # got it to work 08.21.08 # but i had to go to itunes 08.21.13 # then retag it 08.21.24 # it didnt have anything in for "album" 08.21.28 # after i put "misc" it shows up now 08.21.32 # but wtf 08.21.42 # that was retarded 08.21.43 # It's their software. 08.21.50 # And it's you who's choosing to still use it. 08.23.04 # nod 08.23.30 # i did notice 08.23.40 # that the new bleeding edges weren't "pausing" as much 08.24.21 # What kind of iPod do you have again, and what bitrate files were you using? 08.24.38 # 5G (video) 08.24.46 # mostly 192k and VBR 08.25.11 # And you've been using a WPS that doesn't show a peakmeter? 08.25.27 # yep 08.25.32 # well not anymor 08.25.35 # And you have the equalizer set to "off" 08.25.35 # not after you told me not to 08.25.41 # ive been using iAmp 08.25.50 # with equalizer, crossfeed, crossfade off 08.25.53 # Hm 08.26.02 # That's odd, because most people don't get pausing with it like that. 08.26.20 # no no, what im saying is, compared to like 5 days ago, the pausing has stopped more or less 08.26.25 # even on the "info/credits' page 08.26.33 # We need a karma lookalike wps....anybody? 08.26.46 # Well "Has stopped more or less" is quite different from "not as much" 08.27.00 # Does it do pausing while in the WPS? 08.27.04 # nope 08.27.14 # So, then why are you using the Apple OS? 08.27.19 # I thought the pausing was the big thing for you 08.27.19 Join Angel_of_Death [0] (n=BAUER@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 08.27.23 # only happened once so far with the new CVS 08.27.32 # and that was when i was changing the background color 08.27.44 # Which isn't "In the WPS" really 08.28.00 # cause itd be a bitch to transfer all 50+ gigs i already have on my ipod via itunes back to my PC, and back to ipod for rockbox again 08.28.02 # Pausing happens for me when there's a lot of scrolling too of the artist/title/etc.. 08.28.12 # sayocean: Why not use TagCache? 08.28.26 # sayocean: Also... that's "Start transfer, go to sleep, wake up, transfer finished." 08.28.29 # does tagcache update itself everytime i add new stuff? 08.28.42 # i have 1.4 gigs left on my pc 08.28.46 # its not happening 08.28.57 # sayocean: You deleted the files from your PC after transferring them to the iPod? 08.29.23 # And yes, TagCache should automatically update when you add things. 08.29.32 # Paul_The_Nerd, just the person i was hoping would be on 08.29.32 # paul yes i did, delete them 08.29.35 # Paul_The_Nerd, really? 08.29.44 # midkay: It's *supposed* to at least. 08.29.47 # also, when i do Tag Cache 08.29.59 # midkay: Adding is supposed to work. Removing is not yet. At least, that's what I thought. 08.30.02 # and its done and i browse, it will say "searching, found (0)" 08.30.04 # which is odd 08.30.06 # Angel_of_Death: Something I can help you with? 08.30.10 # Paul_The_Nerd, now i already know the answer... but maybe u know some ghetto way to do this 08.30.13 # Paul_The_Nerd, i had no idea that code was in place. i thought it had to be updated manually each time.. it'd be rescanning on boot then or something? 08.30.25 # Paul_The_Nerd, can i make smart playlist, aka top 25 most played and such with RB 08.30.26 # sayocean: You did shut down properly, and reboot first? 08.30.39 # midkay: I believe so, yes. Not 100% certain, but I think so. 08.30.43 # infamis: I'm not sure it is yet possible to have a Karma lookalike WPS 08.30.47 # hmm. 08.30.55 # interesting :) 08.31.03 # Angel_of_Death: Not at the moment. The facilities to do that have been removed, but expect them to return HOPEFULLY with 3.1 08.31.05 # shutdown properly as in hold down on PLAY button 08.31.10 # Yes 08.31.13 # yep 08.31.15 # whens 3.1 expected 08.31.16 # Galois: how do you figure? 08.31.22 # sayocean: And your TagCache is empty? 08.31.24 # the Karma has two useful WPS displays, one shows you six songs in the playlist, and the other shows you an oscope trace of the audio 08.31.33 # its not 08.31.38 # all the artists, albums show up 08.31.39 # BUT 08.31.41 # right now rockbox has no built in facilities for showing playlists or oscopes in the WPS 08.31.54 # it also says "searching.found (0)" or something liek that right before it lists the artists or albums 08.32.13 # sayocean: Do your files have Genre tags? 08.32.14 # Paul_The_Nerd, u know of the top of ur head when 3.1 is expected 08.32.15 # I usually just used the default progress indicator....just something nice & simple 08.32.29 # november-ish.. 08.32.40 # all the other wps's look too graphicy (even if it is all text) 08.32.43 # dang man by the time rockbox is *released* for 5g ipod..... its gonna be so good lol.... i mean it already makes apple firmware look like childs play 08.32.45 # paul, some do, some dont 08.32.46 # Angel_of_Death: It's scheduled for November. The RuntimeDB features may or may not be in it. They may be earlier, or later. It's just *hoped* they will. 08.33.07 # sayocean: Well, is there a Genres entry inside of tagcache for you? 08.33.08 # i hope they will will be before 08.33.19 # thats one thing i liked about apple 08.33.21 # paul what do ya mean? 08.33.22 # sayocean: I'm just thinking something in the tagcache.config is going wrong. But I don't really know 08.33.32 # sayocean: Is there a Genres entry beside Artists and Albums 08.33.40 # yeh 08.33.54 # i think my efforts will be futile, but - does anyone available know much about rockbox's menu code? anyone watching from the shadows? :) 08.34.34 # sayocean: Wait, is the "searching.found (0)" displayed on the screen, or are you talking about something that flashes and is gone? 08.35.23 # it flashes for a sec and its gone. then it lists all the artists 08.35.26 # or albums 08.35.29 # if i choose albums 08.35.31 # See, you need to be explicit. 08.35.35 # You said that it displays "before" them 08.35.47 # But you never said it clears. 08.35.55 # In a list, "before" is above. 08.36.22 # It shows .found (0) because when it starts searching it has not yet found any. With long lists, you may actually see that number increase briefly as it goes. 08.36.44 # huh? i said "[01:32] it also says "searching.found (0)" or something liek that right before it lists the artists or albums" 08.36.52 # Yes 08.36.52 # 'right before' 08.36.54 # Before it lists 08.36.57 # You did not say it clears 08.36.57 # right 08.37.04 # my bad 08.37.09 # is that normal? 08.37.24 # "Before it lists" could very easily mean "Above the list" as any text above a list is before it on the screen 08.37.42 # i have 50+ gigs.. so i have tons of artists.. then why wouldnt it say foudn (250) 08.37.44 # or something like that? 08.38.14 # Because it disappears too quickly? 08.38.19 # hmm 08.38.20 # maybe 08.38.53 # "maybe" 08.39.28 # Try it with a particularly long list. 08.39.31 # Like All Songs 08.39.39 # See if it visibly increases before it clars 08.39.41 # clears 08.39.59 # midkay: got some 2300 mAh batteries...works fine...still trying to figure out what went wrong with the other ones 08.40.34 # scorche, good that they work but still odd, yeah. surely other people have used 2400mAh ones.. but i've never heard of such a thing happening like your problem. 08.40.50 Join spitball [0] (n=d31ea12a@labb.contactor.se) 08.41.10 # it made me sad that they worked though 08.41.16 # i wanted to hear the beeping again 08.41.31 # haha. keep a set of the 2400mAh ones around! :) 08.41.36 # for your beeping pleasure.. 08.41.56 # i do, but they only beeped that once....it gets even odder =P 08.42.14 # paul 08.42.20 # haha, whoa.. 08.42.21 # sayocean: Que? 08.42.27 # when i shutdown the ipod while its updating tagcache, does it have to start it all over again? 08.42.28 # indeed... 08.42.57 # sayocean: I really couldn't say. I've not tested that one, and so far nobody's told me "Hey, it was updating, but I felt like shutting it off halfway through." 08.43.33 # ah fuck 08.43.35 # it just froze on me 08.43.39 # i guess thats another issue 08.43.50 # when you accidently press too many buttons/commands, it freezes up 08.44.04 # Hmm 08.44.20 # now i have to figure out if blue, red, or pure white LCDs would look better 08.44.29 # I've never managed to freeze my ipod that way. 08.44.44 # In fact, the only time my ipod has ever frozen has been when the playback engine was being reworked this last week 08.45.05 # fack 08.45.12 # ive been browsing the rockbox forum 08.45.15 # And the Data Aborts when we were trying to get Doom and Voice working, but that doesn't qualify since that was "We know this doesn't work yet, let's start trying it not-working to find out where it fails" 08.45.17 # only time i have had an ipod freeze on me, was when it was low on batteries..lol 08.45.21 # and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common 08.45.48 # sayocean: Which issue? Because I've literally read every post in the last 4 months, and nobody has described an "It freezes when I press a bunch of buttons" bug. 08.46.01 # let me link you 08.46.07 # pwned by sarcasm 08.46.15 # who got pwnt? 08.46.33 # * Paul_The_Nerd waits for the link. 08.46.51 # * infamis plays jeopardy theme 08.46.53 # * sayocean looking for the link 08.47.11 # I thought you said it was pretty common 08.47.20 # it is 08.47.22 # hold on my friend 08.47.50 # "Problems i am having with this is that some things if i skip a song foward, the whole frimware freezes. Also, there is a high pitch glitchy sound in the beginning of the song. The stopping while playing mp3s still occur, but not as much as the older frimware that i tryed. " 08.47.54 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.45 08.48.09 # sayocean: A) That has nothing to do with pressing multiple buttons at once 08.48.18 # i didnt say all at once 08.48.31 # You said too quickly 08.48.34 # [01:44] when you accidently press too many buttons/commands, it freezes up 08.48.38 # nope 08.48.47 # i said too many buttons slash commands 08.48.50 # Okay 08.48.53 # And do you mean "Ever" 08.48.58 # Or do you mean within a short period of time? 08.49.07 # within a short period of time 08.49.10 # Then it's quickly 08.49.19 # Now, if you read that post 08.49.23 # He describes "skipping forward" 08.49.26 # Which is in fact ONE button press 08.49.32 # no quickly would be as if i was playing a video game that requires me punching the buttons like a maniac 08.49.34 # The reason his bug occurred was a problem with the playback engine itself 08.49.40 # A problem that in fact does not exist in the CVS build 08.49.42 # what im talking about is, pressing pause, to pause the song 08.49.49 # then pressing the select button 08.49.54 # then trying to go back to the song 08.50.36 # Okay, and what does that have to do with his bug? 08.50.52 # Problems i am having with this is that some things if i skip a song foward, the whole frimware freezes. 08.51.08 # But you just described Pause->Select->Play 08.51.21 # it doesnt have to be "Pause , Select, Play" 08.51.36 # Yes, but see his bug we've already established is a playback system issue 08.51.39 # in general, too many commands in a short period of time (call it "quickly" if you want to), it willf reeze it up 08.51.41 # That's not in the new CVS version 08.51.55 # well it just happened to me a few mins ago 08.52.05 # So, I would again ask that you show me evidence of this "Pressing too many buttons in a short to moderate amount of time" bug is common in the forums 08.52.17 # "Also, there is a high pitch glitchy sound in the beginning of the song. The stopping while playing mp3s still occur, but not as much as the older frimware that i tryed. " 08.52.26 # and that one just sums it all up. its not my ipod at all 08.52.32 # sayocean: That bug too is fixed 08.52.32 # its a common issue 08.52.39 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3451.0 08.52.47 # just read that forum from first to last 08.52.50 # it might be fixed 08.53.08 # sayocean: That thread is quite full of bugs 08.53.08 # but what im saying is, you thought that the bugs/problems might have been an isolated issue with just my ipod, but its not 08.53.17 # ... 08.53.31 # sayocean: I told you I've literally read every post in the last 4 months. I was not joking 08.53.36 # I have read every post in that thread. 08.53.46 # lol 08.53.47 # k 08.54.00 # There are many different bugs covered in that thread 08.54.06 # The one you linked me to was fixed 2 days ago 08.54.12 # yeh i noticed 08.54.20 # im not saying that the bugs are still around 08.54.21 # So, the problem you are having NOW is not Common 08.54.25 # except maybe the freezing up one 08.54.29 # Round 2??? 08.54.31 # i totally understand that 08.54.32 # Paul_The_Nerd, another question 08.54.42 # popcorn anyone? 08.54.42 # sayocean: Then why did you say that YOUR problem was common in the forums? 08.54.42 # my point wasn't to argue that the bugs are still prevalent 08.54.56 # Angel_of_Death: What can I do for ye? 08.54.56 Quit Kyomi () 08.55.03 # to prove my point that the bugs werent JUST for my ipod and not on other 5Gs 08.55.05 # while im playing music, if i scroll thru my artist folder at a decent speed my music stops or skips 08.55.10 # untill i stop scrolling 08.55.13 # angel, thats what happens to me too 08.55.18 # sayocean: But you just admitted that the problem you have ISN'T that one. 08.55.18 # or at least it used to 08.55.20 # brother says this is due to the buffer running out 08.55.24 # is there a way to prevent this? 08.55.28 # copy paste paul ? 08.55.30 # sayocean: You disproved your own point. 08.55.44 # (1:54:18 AM) sayocean: i totally understand that 08.55.51 # I assume that was in response to the last statement I made before it? 08.55.55 # 1) point was , the bugs i used to have weren't just on my ipod 08.55.58 # well I've mastered helloworld, now what should I try :P 08.56.05 # 2) the bug i have left on my ipod = freezing up on me 08.56.07 # those were my 2 poitns 08.56.08 # points 08.56.11 # nothing else 08.56.20 # well Paul_The_Nerd is there a way to increase the buffer 08.56.24 # [01:54] So, the problem you are having NOW is not Common 08.56.25 # sayocean: Yeah. Except you said that "and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common" 08.56.29 # so that it doesnt skip or stop 08.57.01 # and ur right, the issues that i did describe a few days ago such as pausing up when scrolling and making screeching noises for the first second when i skip songs 08.57.08 # Angel_of_Death: Skipping is most often caused by the CPU not keeping up. Pick a WPS without peakmeters, and don't use the equalizer. The buffer size doesn't matter usually, because if the CPU can't keep 1k filled, it certainly can't keep 5mb or more filled 08.57.25 # sayocean: You weren't talkign about the days ago issues though. You were talking about issues you had now. 08.57.37 # sayocean: There's no point in complaining NOW about bugs that no longer exist. 08.57.56 # ok guess ill stick with it then, cause i love my waps and my meters And my bass =) lol 08.57.57 # You said specifically that there's an issue where you press accidentally too many buttons 08.57.58 # lol but i wasnt complaining, i was only complaining about the FREEZING up issue 08.58.00 # nothing else 08.58.02 # thanks for the advise tho 08.58.03 # Then your next statement was that it was common 08.58.15 # yeh it was a TOTALLY separate statement 08.58.21 # How could anyone infer that? 08.58.27 # going back to the issues i had few days ago 08.58.30 # OH and another thing Paul_The_Nerd theres a way to page down on the 5g correct? so u dont have to scroll? 08.59.06 # sayocean: If you complain about a problem, then you say "and the issuse that ive described are actually pretty common" without describing ANY other issues, one can only assume the issues you refer to are the most recently described ones. 08.59.34 # well my bad on not being so explicit 08.59.35 # Angel_of_Death: I don't believe there is a page down at the moment, but I'm not sure. 08.59.39 Join JazzBone [0] (n=JB@p5091A923.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 09.00.14 # sayocean: I already explained to you earlier in the conversation that you need to be explicit. Tell me, what clues in your conversation implicitly told a normal human that you had switched topics from "bugs that bother me now" to "Problems I had several days ago, but have not yet talked about today?" 09.00.43 # do i need to get down on my knees and say 'sorry' or something? 09.01.04 # i think we all get the point that the FAULT is on me for not being so explicit 09.01.13 # Well, a "I'll try to be clearer next time" would be nice. 09.01.20 # hmmmmmmm 09.01.24 # gah 09.01.27 # I'll try to be clearer next time 09.01.43 # It's very hard to help people if they switch pronoun targets without telling you. 09.01.45 # dam straight u will 09.02.04 # lol 09.02.23 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs 09.02.32 # :( 09.02.47 # how long does tagcache take for you angel? 09.02.56 # ummmmmm 09.02.59 # few seconds 09.03.14 # anyone want to help me rewrite rockbox in COBOL? 09.03.17 # ORYL ? 09.03.18 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 09.03.22 # how many gigs you got used on ipod? 09.03.30 # mines been goin for a few mins 09.03.39 # sayocean: You can check the status of it in the Debug menu 09.03.39 # Paul_The_Nerd, Are you aware of the button button combo play + up / down which scrolls by pages? 09.03.41 # im guessing tagcache is done once u can't hear the HD spin 09.03.46 # he must have been talking not about the 5g 09.03.50 # how do i do that paul? 09.03.57 # Angel_of_Death: I'm aware of the combo, but wasn't aware you could do it properly on Ipod 09.04.15 # sayocean, ive got 14gb used on my iPod 09.04.18 # sayocean: Go into the menu, choose Info, then Debug, then TagCache Status 09.04.39 # LOL 09.04.45 # 1628% 09.04.46 # wtf 09.04.49 # Hm 09.04.52 # guess its done 09.04.53 # lol 09.04.54 # And you are using how new of a build? 09.04.59 # LMFAO 09.05.00 # bleeding edge 09.05.02 # from like an hour ago 09.05.06 # well ur bleeding for it now 09.05.14 # Hm 09.05.24 # Well, perhaps the status doesn't work right on iPods yet, or has some other issue 09.05.33 # Well, when the virtual HD LED stops blinking 09.05.45 # u figure, with 50+ gigs , it would take a few mins, is that correct? 09.05.57 # paul, theres a virtual HD LED in the ipod? 09.06.00 # well mines 14gb and took me a few seconds 09.06.04 # "virtual" is the key word 09.06.06 # oh right 09.06.07 # Up near the clock 09.06.08 # but iwouldnt be surpised if it took u much longer 09.06.08 # next to the time 09.06.09 # ok 09.06.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: you familiar with the sudoku plugin? 09.06.45 # BHSPitLappy: I know it exists. :-P 09.06.50 # ok 09.07.10 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 09.07.34 # god damned connect-4 09.07.50 # i can beat the agent they've given us to play against, but not consistently :/ 09.07.57 # stupid randomized agent 09.08.38 # suggestion: a key combo that exits all plugins 09.08.41 # paul, are you sure about TagCache updating each time I add new tracks via iTunes? 09.08.43 # by force 09.08.50 # that's a good idea, BHSPitLappy 09.08.59 # objection: most combos are needed in one plugin or another.. 09.09.02 # why would u use itunes 09.09.23 # good point 09.09.36 # sayocean: auto updating works only if dircache is enabled and tagcache is loaded to ram 09.09.43 # is there a way to view both ID3 tags AND mp3s u have on ur F: 09.10.06 # yes, load to ram 09.10.13 # sayocean: It *should* update each time. But that may not be working. If it isn't, a forced update should work anyway 09.10.41 # oh, i have one new GMAIL 09.10.55 # sayocean: Why don't you just switch back to File View when you need to see files? 09.11.13 # i could 09.11.14 # i suppose 09.11.22 # just hold menu now with bleeding edge 09.11.35 # then click the play button the amount of times u need to 09.12.11 # angel, what is this 'button combo ' u speak of 09.12.25 # hold menu 09.12.31 # and a screen should pop up 09.12.40 # alowing u to change shuffle, repeat, and file view easily 09.12.46 # right.. 09.12.52 # thats the button combo? 09.13.00 # hold menu when not in the now playing screen 09.13.05 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 09.13.07 # might work in the now playing screen, havent tried 09.13.28 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 09.13.49 # :P 09.14.28 # it works in the wps 09.14.55 # infamis, i never said it wasnt feesible 09.15.04 # wtf 09.15.12 # it only shows artists A through C 09.15.19 # and when i get down to the end of C, therse an Arrow 09.15.19 # infamis, i said i would like it if it was changed some 09.15.46 # you lost me...that's what I get for reading the last few lines in the channel 09.16.07 # lol 09.16.12 # i just read ur comment on the tracker 09.16.27 # about what 09.16.38 # about the playlist thing 09.16.50 # angel, do you know how to use the "search by Artists" ? 09.16.56 # firefox: new tab! go! 09.17.16 # ummm 09.17.20 # dont use it 09.18.04 # so if you wanted to play an artist like Zebrahead, u just scroll down for 10 mins??? 09.18.15 # Angel_of_Death: ahh, now I get you...I guess feesible was the wrong word 09.18.25 # sayocean: well, i'd be more inclined to scroll up like 3 09.18.27 # but anyway :) 09.18.28 # I have a horrible vocabulary 09.18.31 # yer lol 09.18.32 # its ok 09.19.09 # You don't know how hard I have to catch myself from describing constantly using the word 'like' 09.19.56 # lol 09.19.57 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 09.20.10 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 09.20.39 # welcome back 09.21.17 # what a nightmare 09.21.28 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.21.30 # what's wrong? 09.21.37 # just wake up? 09.21.42 # lol 09.21.42 # no 09.21.49 # going from A to Z in the artists 09.21.55 # and the scrolling is sooo slow 09.21.57 # unlike apple 09.22.10 # sayocean: the scrolling should be able to accelerate. 09.22.36 # Easy solution: listen to a less variety of artists :) 09.22.39 # lol 09.22.42 # is it an option as? 09.22.42 # weve been over this 09.22.48 # no its not 09.22.50 # not yet 09.22.52 # if it doesn't, it's a bug in the interface for the tag cache, because it's configurable for the file tree 09.23.15 # * ashridah notes that tagcache's interface needs work, natch 09.23.44 # crap 09.23.59 # where! i dont see crap 09.24.51 # lostlogic: Another bug :( If you skip backward, allow a track to start, and then repeatedly skip backwards within the first few seconds, the wps keep going back in your tracks, but the playing track stays the same (!) 09.25.05 # UGH 09.25.09 # time to go back to apple 09.25.10 Quit spitball ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 09.25.16 # I managed it going back from track 7 to track 3 while still playing track 7 (!!) 09.25.24 # lol sayocean are u serious? 09.25.37 # sayocean: I can't, and won't, never go 'back' to apple 09.25.43 # [01:58] OH and another thing Paul_The_Nerd theres a way to page down on the 5g correct? so u dont have to scroll? 09.25.48 # apple is dead to me 09.25.49 # lol 09.25.50 # is there a way to page down instead of scrolling? 09.25.54 # amiconn: you won't "never" go back to apple? 09.25.58 # wee, double negative 09.26.09 # ummm not on 5g that we are aware of 09.26.10 # blarb 09.26.19 # since the 5g doesnt have the right buttons lol 09.26.22 # -never 09.26.29 # won't never means you will...but I wasn't going to bring it up 09.26.36 Join webguest50 [0] (n=4841cad6@labb.contactor.se) 09.26.44 # "won't never" doesn't mean you will. 09.26.57 # to me it does 09.27.17 # It just means that in the future, your action will not be to "never go back" 09.27.41 # ;-) 09.27.50 # double negative! 09.28.15 # to not go back but not do that only leaves one option 09.28.57 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.29.16 # not 1 is not equal to 2, but not true is equal to false 09.29.21 # * amiconn notices how a simple mistake can start a lengthy discussion 09.29.22 # Ah, but "not go back" and "never go back" are two different things. Never implies that at no time in the future will he go back. Fortunately to us, it never IS the future, so he can always still "Not go back now" 09.29.47 # paul 09.29.53 # got a question for you 09.29.54 # Paul_The_Nerd, let it go lol 09.30.00 # * Paul_The_Nerd is just having fun. 09.30.05 # What can I do for ya sayocean? 09.30.12 # whats the command to * what u say 09.30.16 # sorry noob alert lol 09.30.19 # /me 09.30.26 # * Angel_of_Death thinks 09.30.29 # cool 09.30.31 # Well, one point was that I can't go 'back' because I never really used the apple fw, and even can't, because I don't have itunes installed 09.30.41 # When i Browse my Artists, it displays A-M and stops.. and at the end of the last artist on M, Matchbox 20, theres an arrow ( ====> )... is there anyway to display N-Z ? 09.30.46 # amiconn: Are there any problems booting Apple OS on the Mini2g? 09.30.49 # i already reset my limit to the max 09.30.53 # I got my ipod for use with and hacking rockbox - only 09.30.54 # true dat, i installed iTunes months ago 09.31.00 # * infamis blames amiconn for starting this 09.31.18 # sayocean: I can't answer that one. I've never had it stop like that with an arrow. 09.31.25 # it does for me too 09.31.28 # i presume it's currently a bug 09.31.48 # since while it looks like it's a "page next" arrow, it doesn't actually do what it should. 09.31.54 # The arrow is Slasheri's (non-working) attempt on chunked browsing 09.32.00 # Aaaah 09.32.20 # but yes. all hail the development cycle 09.32.21 # ash, so for now, we are shit outta luck? 09.32.28 # and we just have to use the search function? 09.32.31 # sayocean: the search stuff works for me. 09.32.43 # I would prefer seeing it replaced by true chunked browsing, like the old db code did 09.32.44 # amiconn: and that will be fixed soon, i am just working with proper chunked browsing implementation 09.32.56 # nice :) 09.33.21 # ami, could you explain to me how to use the text entry 09.33.33 # its frustrating to say the least. 09.33.37 # I think the text entry is explained in the IpodFAQ 09.33.42 # it is 09.33.52 # but how do i move the cursor Below the separating line 09.33.57 # so i can select or delete 09.34.26 # keeping going down 09.34.27 # You keep moving down until you're there? 09.35.00 # umm 09.35.01 # doesnt work 09.35.21 # I just tried it... 09.35.53 # works here. 09.35.59 # sayocean: Works here on an ipod. 09.36.12 # same for me. 09.36.30 # 4 against 1 09.36.39 # ok got it 09.36.47 # i would try it. 09.36.53 # but im stealing songs from the internet =) 09.36.53 # it works on mine too 09.37.10 # i just didnt realize the cursor itself doesnt show up when its below the line 09.37.14 # the internet's going to want its songs back sooner or later, Angel_of_Death.. 09.37.18 # stealing from the internet is not a good idea. 09.37.28 # from the internet? the internets are gonna sue you 09.37.44 # naw 09.38.14 # i honestly dont know whats gonna happen to musicians if ppl pirate all their music 09.38.20 # they cant rely just on concerts lol 09.38.53 # I doubt it would ever come to that...everyone downloading & no more buying 09.39.06 # I download a lot but I also buy a lot 09.39.21 # Angel_of_Death, so you're worried about musicians going out of business from having their music pirated, while *you're* doing it yourself? 09.39.28 # ok 09.39.31 # g/ntie everyone 09.39.33 # i only download now, i mean if i had money to spend i would buy the cd's of the artists i wanted to support tho 09.39.36 # thanks for your help paul 09.39.59 # midkay, yep basically :P 09.40.22 # Angel_of_Death, convincing argument.. ah, and the "i'd do the right thing if i could" excuse, nice choice :) 09.40.28 # i mean downloading comes with its prices anyways, spyware lol 09.40.39 # not if you have some sense, no.. 09.40.50 # ^ what he said 09.40.56 Join Regor [0] (n=Regor@66-81-49-244.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 09.41.00 # no, i would..and when i get christmas money and shit i spend alot of it at allofmp3.com 09.41.03 # let me guess, you're still using limewire/kazaa/morpheus/something even older? 09.41.06 # its like 10cents a song there 09.41.17 # limewire. 09.41.42 # i'de say ive only paid for like a 3rd of my music tho 09.41.56 # I couldn't just buy _one_ song...even if it was cheap as hell... 09.41.57 # but i do buy when i can :P 09.41.58 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 09.42.06 # lol they sell by the artist to 09.42.08 # albums and such 09.42.12 # slasheri 09.42.13 # question 09.42.14 # and u can pick the quality u want 09.42.18 # not like shitty itunes 09.42.19 # where can i find the "dircache" option? 09.42.23 # where its a dollar a song 09.42.54 # general settings - system - disk - dir cache. 09.42.59 # actually i use Bit torrent sometimes for music to, rarely tho... only when its like all the songs that artist has ever released, but besides that its limewire 09.43.03 # anyways back to rockbox 09.43.05 # although if you want to wait for Slasheri's answer.. feel free. 09.43.07 # yep, there it is 09.43.15 # surely none of us could manage to answer something that tough :) 09.43.22 # =) 09.43.28 # sayocean, i'd strongly suggest going through all the options.. 09.43.33 # I don't like buying downloaded stuff period...I'd rather buy the real physical object 09.43.37 # you'll know where they are and get everything set up the way you want it.. 09.43.38 # thanks 09.43.48 # slash, another question 09.44.01 # so for the time being, theres a limit to how many artists A-Z can be displayed? 09.44.06 # i dont, not with cd's that way they are now lol 09.44.08 # on browse artists? 09.44.19 # lol i like that whole sony incident :P 09.44.21 # sayocean: currently yes, but that limit can be increased 09.44.31 # you can increase the max files in a dir setting 09.44.34 # oh we didnt relize we were tracking information on ur computers with our recent cds 09.44.43 # to 10K correct? 09.44.47 Part Paul_The_Nerd 09.44.50 # correct 09.44.52 # even if i do that, it only displays A-Z :( 09.44.58 # hmm 09.44.59 # a normal CD is actually pretty good value for the money, especially used 09.45.04 # oh Nevermin 09.45.05 # d 09.45.06 # lol 09.45.08 # the problem is that you can't hardly buy normal CDs anymore 09.45.12 # maybe restarting changed that 09.45.14 # yep 09.45.22 # all you get now is this DRM'd copy protected fake CD 09.45.31 # and u cant do anything with them, well u can 09.45.36 # but its harder then it should be 09.45.43 # u bought it u should be able to do what u wish with it 09.45.45 # that's the real crime, that the music industry is not even interested in helping out their legitimate customers 09.46.18 # slash, one last question 09.46.30 # hehe, please just ask ;) 09.46.33 # it's dumb that they are doing that, because the people who dont buy still dont, and the people who rip it off there CD's still manage to 09.46.34 # is there a way to scroll up or down faster when browsing the artists or tracks? 09.46.37 # so its a wasted effort 09.46.42 Join Arcainus [0] (n=geochi@196.25.195.66) 09.46.47 # it's worse than wasted 09.46.52 # sayocean: i don't know about ipod, but on iriver holding play (=shift) enabled paged scrolling 09.46.56 # it's active warfare against their patrons. It's counterproductive. 09.47.11 # hmm 09.47.15 # play = shift ? 09.47.33 # * midkay wonders why questions many others could answer are still directed at Slasheri. hmm... *keeps quiet* 09.47.35 # sayocean, if u find a way to page scroll hit me up 09.47.37 # might be, i don't have an ipod to try that.. 09.47.48 # :D 09.47.48 # midkay, can you help :) 09.47.52 # thanks slash btw 09.47.54 # midkay: it's cause Paul left... 09.47.55 # np 09.48.04 # oh em gee, paul left? 09.48.10 # wow thats a first that ive seen lol 09.48.15 # infamis, so people just leech on to others that give them a bit of help, yes, i'm noticing that's how it works :) 09.48.43 # pretty muc 09.48.43 # h 09.49.24 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 09.49.50 # ok its almost 4am, need to get up in a few hours here i need to rap it up 09.49.55 # time to rename all these songs 09.52.06 # likewise, I'm gonna be at work all night if I stay here 09.52.39 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.56.16 # what nonsense about the jeweled plugin 09.56.42 # unless that guy has a *patent* on the type of game and gameplay, he cannot claim copyright. 09.56.52 # none of their code nor graphics was copied. 09.57.24 # patents are for protection of ideas 09.57.32 # so unless he has a patent he's just totally wrong 09.57.35 # alright chaps 09.57.41 # HCI cool ur jets 09.57.43 # who cares 09.57.46 # nite 09.57.47 Quit Angel_of_Death ("Leaving") 09.58.00 # well 09.58.11 # the US copyright system is just barely screwed up enough that a game creater might from time to time successfully obtain copyright protection for a set of gameplay rules 09.58.13 # i care for bigheaded people who try to bash on an opensource project :) 09.58.15 # wasn't it just a name change 09.58.16 # HCI?....guess he doesnt know an acid when he sees one =( 09.58.25 # woohay, I got a fresh ipod nano rockboxified here 09.58.37 # didn't tetris get caught up in a big copyright (not patent) brouhaha? 09.58.37 # everything went smoothly 09.58.53 # as far as i know, in order to get copyright on an idea, you need a patent. 09.59.04 # that's what patents are for 09.59.38 # TTC has licensed the Tetris mark to a number of companies, but courts have not decided on the legality of tetromino games that do not use the Tetris name. 09.59.40 # According to circulars available from the United States Library of Congress, a game cannot be copyrighted (only patented), which would invalidate much of TTC's copyright claim on the game 09.59.56 # so, basically, HCl, you're right, but it hasn't stopped people from trying 10.00.34 # Is there any way to shuffle the contents of a parent directory, rather than just a leaf directory? 10.00.45 # Galois: *nodsnods* 10.00.53 # you mean without shuffling the contents of the leaf directories? 10.00.59 # in that case no 10.01.09 # No. 10.01.16 # you can shuffle your whole playlist 10.01.19 # I have an Artist/Album structure 10.01.27 # Galois: care to reply that on the thread in the dev mailing list to settle this matter? 10.01.28 # say I want to shuffle all the albums by one artist 10.01.40 # all tracks in any order? 10.01.43 # Do I need to make them a playlist in order to shuffle them? 10.01.45 # yeah 10.01.47 # ugh, I'm not into mailing lists 10.01.49 # just add the Artist directory recursivery 10.01.50 # ly 10.01.51 # okay 10.01.53 # how? 10.01.53 # i'll do it then :P 10.01.53 # I took that from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tetris 10.01.59 # bancus: there's an option somewhere 10.02.01 # as everyone knows, wikipedia is _always_ right 10.02.12 # haha 10.02.15 # bancus: also i think context menu insert is always recursive 10.02.21 # bancus: but maybe it isn't 10.02.32 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 10.02.33 # how do you access the context menu? 10.02.43 # on ipods you hold select 10.02.58 # aha 10.03.02 # yeah, it's similar on my X5 10.03.17 # hm 10.03.24 # except it doesn't find the tracks 10.03.37 # maybe you need to turn on the recursive option after all 10.03.46 # hm 10.03.54 # it's probably in Playlist Settings 10.04.00 # you guys know of the battery status indicator is working in daily/cvs code fir ipods? 10.04.03 Join SteL [0] (n=steve@slawson.plus.com) 10.04.03 # US lawsuits are far more heinous than in europe though. If you're sued in the US in civil court, there's no way to defend yourself unless you have a lot of money, *regardless* of the rights and wrongs of the actual case. 10.04.04 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-74-59.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.04.04 # if 10.04.05 # oh, yeah, there it is 10.04.07 # Ave: more or less 10.04.15 # yay! 10.04.32 # * Ave is filled with glee 10.04.52 # thanks, Mikachu 10.05.05 # yw 10.05.11 # the nano battery indicator displays correctly to within, say, 5% 10.05.26 # the time remaining estimate of course is still way off 10.05.44 Join Regor_ [0] (n=Regor@66-81-37-218.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 10.05.48 Quit darkless (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.05.54 # Galois: yea, us law sucks :S 10.05.58 # hm 10.06.07 # it seems to be reading the length of my FLACs incorrectly 10.06.15 # do you have a reading on the ipod of how much current is being drawn from the battery at any given time? 10.06.28 # I don't think any current readings exist 10.06.35 # how do you estimate playback time? 10.06.49 # or how does apple do it 10.06.54 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 10.07.31 Quit RedBreva (Remote closed the connection) 10.07.36 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 10.08.05 # linear extrapolation from a sequence of voltage readings, I think 10.08.19 # I'm not actually sure. It might just use a naive voltage to time function for all I know. 10.08.34 # apple doesn't do it 10.08.42 # their meter only shows Empty, 20%, 80% and Full 10.08.52 # huh? I've seen 50% from apple's meter 10.09.05 # maybe that one too then 10.09.58 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@106-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 10.11.30 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 10.11.46 # oh 10.11.50 # well screw apple 10.12.28 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 10.16.29 Join Regor__ [0] (n=Regor@66-81-37-238.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 10.16.58 # well I've used couple mp3 portable players and the ipod interface with rockbox beats em all hands down 10.17.11 # heh. well. to be on the safe side, i say change the name of jewels to something completely devoid of the word "jewels" (call it rock-n-row or something) and problem solved :) 10.17.35 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.17.42 # carbon conundrum 10.18.08 # i doubt a trademark on "bejeweled" covers "jewels" 10.18.36 # Mikachu: it's going to be easier to fight if it doesn't contain even part of the name 10.19.52 # besides, the guys going to have to attack http://sebdelestaing.free.fr/gweled/ if he wants to attack our version 10.21.28 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd1e4.f.strato-dslnet.de) 10.21.53 Quit Regor (Nick collision from services.) 10.21.59 Nick Regor__ is now known as Regor (n=Regor@66-81-37-238.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 10.22.10 # infact, if we call it "Diamond mine", we've basically used the same name as about 1 zillion clones, which could even predate popcap 10.22.29 # then again 10.22.36 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 10.22.37 # perhaps not, popcap have used that name too 10.23.12 # are there any unicode fonts available? 10.23.18 # yes 10.23.25 # 6+12x13 and unifont are unicode 10.24.32 # woot, thanks 10.25.30 # so, is the random tiny pauses on ipod playback normal? 10.25.36 # with vbr mp3 10.25.54 # yeah, we designed it to do that :) 10.25.58 # heh 10.25.59 # ah, sweet. 10.26.07 # i meant normal as in it's a known issue 10.26.19 # dj-fu: the playback code's been going through some fairly major rewrites atm, in order to simplify it 10.26.26 # well I'm impressed, I cna play back q7 vorbis AND play "frozen bubble" the same time, no hiccups 10.26.28 # the problem is, it's at the stage where it's a bit too simple 10.26.36 # * ashridah looks at lostlogic 10.26.38 # dj-fu: if you use a theme witohut peakmeters and don't use eq and crossfeed, it shouldn't skip 10.26.47 # oh sweet. 10.27.12 # you can look at the info->debug->view audio thread 10.27.21 # btw should latin1 filenames be supported or is it only utf8? 10.27.27 # I currently see 'ä' as blank 10.27.30 # what should I be looking at 10.27.32 # you can set the default 10.27.32 # fat32 is utf8 10.27.36 # it's in the display settings 10.27.41 # Mikachu: I'm pretty sure that's untrue. 10.27.49 # I hope linux can do transparent file renaming then... 10.27.51 # i think the codepage is only for tags but that could be wrong 10.27.54 # fat32 needs utf8 for international haxinating 10.27.55 # I believe you can use whatever 8-bit encoding with vfat. 10.28.23 # you can, but it specifies some sort of unicode internally 10.28.30 # Ave: man mount.vfat 10.28.30 # Mikachu: the display settings changed my russian artist directories from blanks to squares 10.28.39 # bancus: heh 10.28.45 # changing it from latin-1 to utf8 10.28.47 # Mikachu: I knew about -o utf8 but 10.28.53 # if you mount with -o utf8 and use utf8 in linux, it will work 10.28.59 # that's all i can tell you with certainty 10.29.07 # but I'm not using utf8 in linux :( 10.29.15 # all my files are in latin1 10.29.17 # you can probably use some -o iocharset and stuff 10.29.22 # eventually the whole world will use unicode, and this shit will stop being an issue 10.29.27 # but i don't want to read the manpage for you :) 10.29.31 # I even changed my ubuntu laptop to use latin1 instead of wtf-8 10.29.44 # yes I'll go read the manpage 10.29.52 # it is hard to say ã“ã‚“ã«ã¡ã¯ in latin1 10.29.56 # indeed 10.30.12 # fortunately I dont have a need to say that particular thing 10.30.21 # or ÑпаÑибо 10.30.40 # I ran into utf8 problems with legacy systems so I had to turn it off for now 10.30.46 # I have music in English, Russian, German, Spanish and Italian 10.30.50 # Unicode++ 10.31.25 # my only problem is most linux apps use utf8 with id3v2.3 which is wrong, so i had to hack the tag reading in rockbox a bit 10.32.03 # Can someone help me with a nooby style linux question? I have created a link to the simulator, but can't see how to add the --background parameter (VMWare Rockbox Buils + KDE) 10.32.35 # Ave: it doesn't matter what you use, eventually everybody else will be utf8 10.32.45 # yes I hope that too 10.32.52 # but at the time there are some "kinks" 10.33.09 # the more out of the box os's will use utf8, the better 10.33.11 # and you can't just stick your head in the sand on the grounds that you personally only know english. Even the most die-hard rednecks need to know how to calculate the length of a string and basic shit 10.33.24 # RedBreva: 'echo archosui --background > file.sh; chmod +x file.sh' 10.33.25 # oddly enough I find that the biggest users of non-utf8 encodings are people who use CJK and Russians 10.33.35 # bancus: yeah, foreigners have the same problem in reverse 10.33.43 # Galois: hold on, its not language issue, rather than that I can express ALL my langauges in latin1 10.33.47 # bancus: cjk in utf8 is 33% larger 10.33.51 # not english native 10.33.54 # again, it doesn't matter 10.33.55 # Mikachu: Thanks, will try it 10.34.03 # there are other languages that you don't know and will have to deal with 10.34.08 # Mikachu: supposedly CJK in Unicode collapsed some glyphs thath they shouldn't have 10.34.18 # yes I see exactly what you mean, and I dont wanna appear as utf8 opposer, its great for all.. 10.34.30 # a lot of them still use BIG5 10.34.32 # of course it makes perfect sense to use utf8 for project like rb 10.34.35 Quit Regor_ (Connection timed out) 10.35.22 # and my so called problem is probably avoidable with mount options, so no harm done 10.35.56 # Ave: you can always use convmv if you have to 10.35.59 Join bluebrother [0] (n=810dba02@labb.contactor.se) 10.36.23 # thanks for the suggestions, I need to see thru all this, fairly new territory 10.36.41 # I always use mount -o utf8, and it Just Works (tm) 10.36.50 # i had to use convmv for some files i got from a macosx friend 10.36.50 # well, almost works. FAT32 limitations still abound 10.36.57 # they use NFD but rockbox and linux use NFC 10.37.09 # like, you can't have / or : in filenames, so I just replace those with similar-looking unicode glyphs :P 10.37.11 # * Mikachu wonders if anyone knows what he's talking about 10.37.11 # A propos utf8 - text_editor.rock doesn't work properly with non-ascii chars :( 10.37.27 # amiconn: i found that it works with utf8 but the normal text viewer recently doesn't 10.37.37 # yea the text _viewer_ doesn't work with non-ascii 10.37.44 # it used to though 10.37.47 # but now it just shows crap 10.37.55 # Mikachu: The text viewer uses your default codepage setting. text_editor does not. 10.38.11 # well, i've got that set to utf8 unless it changed back on me 10.38.18 # which it very well might have... 10.39.56 # Well I've set my codepage to latin1, and the viewer shows everything like it should. 10.40.37 # I set the default codepage to utf8 and still the viewer only partially works 10.40.53 # many glyphs show ? in the text viewer (the same characters display fine in the file browser and WPS) 10.41.08 # the text viewer doesn't line break multibyte correctly 10.41.17 # there is apatch for that on the tracker 10.41.47 # hi all, are there smart playlists yet? 10.42.13 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.42.18 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.42.50 # webguest50: not yet. we haven't got a working runtime stats unit working, and it's not likely to be added in now, since we're in feature freeze pending release. 10.43.30 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-74-59.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.43.40 # gday all 10.44.02 # * amiconn wonders what smart playlist should be 10.44.10 # *playlists 10.44.33 # amiconn: adding your favourite songs, typically. 10.44.43 # or adding them based on your current genre, etc 10.45.10 # webguest50: i believe the databox plugin sort of might do what you want 10.45.28 # it lets you create a search and save to a file 10.45.41 # then you can just select that file to perform the search and create a playlist 10.46.06 # oh ok, I saw something about them here http://entertainment.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=06/04/13/165223 10.47.36 # in the comments section 10.47.48 # i'll check out the databox, thank you 10.48.23 # databox 10.48.25 # who what where 10.48.27 # i wrote that :) 10.48.57 # the databox plugin does do that but i believe it's been obsoleted 10.49.04 # with the tagcache 10.49.09 # oh, and if any of the developers are here, thanks so much, i used this on my archos and I'm so glad I can replace apple's software 10.50.09 # well I have tagcache on, and I don't know how to take advantage of it... 10.50.10 # haha. gotta love osnews.com for flamebait posts. "why windows is less secure than linux" 10.50.30 # links to two images, with iis's being a horrible mess, and apache's being nice and straight, but otherwise confirming nothing 10.53.54 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 10.54.44 # how is tagcache useful in the latest version? 10.55.03 # webguest50, what do you mean, how is it useful? if you find it useful, feel free to use it. 10.55.24 # if there a away to browse albums, or artists? 10.55.30 # webguest50: it builds a tag database on the fly, so it can display by artist, album, etc. 10.55.36 # yes, that's... the entire premise of tagcache. 10.55.46 # you just need to wait until it's been generated, and then change the file view to Id3 mode 10.55.56 # whether you find that useful or not is user-specific. 10.56.47 # aha! I have to change the file view! I thought an additional view would appear somewhere 10.57.53 # webguest50: hold down the menu button to get a quick-screen to change it 10.58.13 # (assuming that's how the quickscreen shows up on your platform, mind you) 10.58.41 # ashridah: (lagging behind here)... but IIS is a mess! 10.59.07 # VoltageX: sure, but you could just as easily make apache+linux look like a mess by rearranging the picture 10.59.14 # graph drawing is *highly* subjective 10.59.18 # thank you ashridah and midkay 10.59.31 # no problem.. 10.59.42 # ashridah: chmod -R 777 as root :) 11.00.06 # what? 11.00.19 # ashridah: to mess up linux 11.00.26 # amiconn: I'm not able to reproduce that bug, do you have the large-ish commit that I made last night in when you create it? That should be impossible after that patch. 11.00.47 # VoltageX: that's only going to break anything that's got the sticky bit set, it won't actually break much else. 11.00.48 # Yes I have 11.01.01 # (ie, /tmp might be less functional than it was previously) 11.01.08 # it's certainly insecure, but that's much of a muchness 11.01.14 # amiconn: weird. 11.01.17 # lol 11.01.21 # ashridah: it will break anything that checks for sane permissions 11.01.23 # ashridah: like ssh 11.01.30 # ashridah: rm -rf / will help then :D 11.01.39 # Mikachu: that's hardly 'breaking linux' 11.02.40 # lostlogic: It's fairly easy reproducable here (although getting more than one track difference isn't that easy to reproduce) 11.03.34 # If you're somewhere in a track, just skip back to the beginning, wait until it starts playing, then immediately skip back again. 11.03.44 # now that I've mastered hello world on rockbox, what should I try? 11.04.06 # ;) 11.04.14 # It shortly pauses, then continues playing the current track, but wps shows the previous track 11.05.25 # amiconn: :( I can't get it 11.05.34 # wait, just did. 11.05.35 # amiconn: doing that on cvs a couple of weeks ago froze rockbox 11.05.35 # ok 11.06.14 # lostlogic: This difference then even stays if you again skip back to the beginning of the track 11.06.36 # yeah, it'll stay until there's a 'successful' track change. 11.06.39 # If you're skipping back or forth more than one track, it will eventually sync up again 11.08.28 # Ugh! Hard freeze... 11.08.51 # Ugh! indeed, how to cause? 11.08.59 # back skipping letting audio just start? 11.09.11 # This was just while playing a track (with the wps offset by -1) 11.09.28 # It seems it tried to buffer the next track since the current one was about to end 11.09.47 # amiconn: yeah, that would make sense, if it thinks its playing a song its not. 11.10.54 # Let's see whether it's reproducable... 11.10.58 # is there a way to still play with rockbox while the ipod is plugged in via usb? 11.11.14 # webguest50: you have have it charging, but you cannot access it with your computer 11.11.23 # webguest50: hold menu while inseting USB 11.12.01 # webguest50: note, this charge mode is not right currently, and will take a very long time to charge, and if you have backlight always on, it will actually just slow battery drain, because we don't properly initialize USB charge mode. 11.12.24 # so it can't be mounted as a hard drive while in the GUI? 11.12.29 # no. 11.12.41 Join bluebrother^ [0] (n=Dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.12.54 # we still use Apple's disk mode, plus, the host PC must own the hard disk during tha ttime, so there's no point in it really. 11.13.01 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC") 11.13.08 # (that is even on targets where we use our own disk mode there's still no point) 11.13.23 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.14.43 # oh, thanks. I'm noticed my transfer times seem to be slower in rockbox, if that a known issue too? 11.14.46 # Hmm, now I don't manage to trigger the offset thing... :puzzled: 11.16.04 # amiconn: its definitely there, I've gotten it to happen twice now... I'd actually been afraid I had some unsafe button sequences with rapid seek->skip or seek->stop presses. 11.16.47 # Yeah I know it's there. I was able to trigger it multiple times, and even managed to get an offset >1 once 11.17.07 # Just now I don't seem able to trigger it... 11.17.23 Nick webguest50 is now known as poolnoodl (n=4841cad6@labb.contactor.se) 11.17.54 # weird :) 11.19.19 Nick bluebrother^ is now known as bluebrother (n=Dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 11.20.26 # hmph, I didn't realize I had outstanding changes when I went to sleep... 11.21.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.23.13 Quit wehn () 11.24.45 # amiconn: does it matter what track type you do the initial seek and the subsequent wrongness occurs in? 11.26.28 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 11.27.12 Quit RoC_MM (Client Quit) 11.29.26 # track type? Do you mean the format? 11.29.58 # I experienced it with mp3 (which is the format of 99% of my tracks) 11.31.00 # what's the official stance on getting itunes drm'ed music playing on rockbox? 11.31.01 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-74-59.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.31.14 # i personally dont mind either way, i havent bought any music from itunes, but i was just wondering 11.32.17 Quit Farpenoodle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.32.28 # I don't think that will be possible 11.33.57 # it might even get rockbox sued, like DVD Jon 11.34.17 # all those cases that keep getting thrown out ? ;) 11.34.24 # im merely speaking theoretically 11.34.57 # well with rockbox some of the devs are in the US, which is way harsher towards this kind of thing 11.35.05 # *nods* 11.35.07 # well 11.35.10 # lostlogic: Now I got an even more strange effect. I managed to trigger the wps offset. Then I left the track playing (real track 4, displayed track 3). After ~1 minute, it switched to playing the end of track 11, and then continued with track 12, all while still displaying track 3 (!!!) 11.35.19 # the dmca allows getting around copyprotection for portability uses 11.35.25 # Galois: yeah, but they can only sue individuals 11.35.29 # and if it isnt an official patch 11.35.43 # amiconn: filebufused got corrupted, and the buffer filled in circles, causing mass stupidity. 11.35.51 # the letter of the dmca allows it, but the courts have ruled the other way anyway 11.35.58 # mhm.. 11.36.02 # the interoperability clause of the DMCA is a big joke 11.36.06 # dmca is evil. 11.36.31 # the dmca is a joke 11.36.37 # you guys are getting screwed 11.36.47 # crashd: Apart from the possible legal problems, I think a lot of people take the view that DRM is evil and we shouldn't encourage users to use it by implementing it in Rockbox. 11.36.52 # amiconn: the filebufused variable wants to die, but I haven't come up with a good scheme for killing it quite yet. 11.37.00 # their interpretation seems to be (as far as I can tell): by making rockbox (or DeCSS, or whatever) free software, you give the user extra rights that they didn't have before under the closed system 11.37.03 # linuxstb: i take the same view, i was just musing really 11.37.11 # therefore you are not protected by the interoperability excuse 11.37.40 # doing tracks as a linked list and tracking the file buf's status based on where tracks adn their codecs start might be a solution to it. 11.37.42 # linuxstb: nice one, i second that. 11.38.30 # amiconn: I will try to reproduce that bug with logf. 11.40.16 # * amiconn now has an i2c driver for the PCF that adapts the delay to the cpu clock 11.41.17 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.stb.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.41.21 # Still not the gain I would expect to see, but it brings down cpu power consumption at 11MHz from 50% to 20% (polling main + remote buttons) 11.41.44 # amiconn: quiet a step in the right direction, I bet it helps H3x0 battery consumption 11.47.27 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45E9C.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.50.57 # Hmm, interesting. The PCF i2c pins in the H300 are shared with the serial eeprom i2c (which we don't use yet), and they are the same pins as for the seriall eeprom in the H1x0 11.51.23 # amiconn: your bug will only happen when the skip back would be on buffer, and it would wrap around the buffer, I think. 11.52.08 # So it should be possible to read the serial eeprom on H300 with no extra driver. Just a different device address... 11.52.22 # * amiconn is curious what's in there. 11.53.02 # some settings I guess? 11.53.10 # from the iriver fw? 11.53.21 Join filoktetes [0] (n=filoktet@g-001.osl255.netcom.no) 11.53.24 # lostlogic: Could the buffer wrap immediately after starting a track from stop state? 11.53.31 # t0mas: I guess so. 11.53.53 # maybe some free space 11.53.57 # amiconn: blah, no I was wrong. I misread my log. Will be back with another wrong theory in a bit :-P 11.54.13 # that would allow us to dump the rockbox configuration sector there 11.54.18 # (how big is that atm?) 11.54.21 # lostlogic: Must be quite early morning at your place.. 11.54.33 # yeah, I woke up at 4am for some reason. 11.55.04 # t0mas: The config sector is (as its name implies) a full disk sector, i.e. 512 bytes == 4096 bit 11.55.07 # it is 4am here, and i have yet to go to sleep >_> 11.55.11 # We use half of it afaik 11.55.32 # amiconn: and how big is the iriver H1xx/H3xx eeprom? 11.55.37 # But rockbox has 2 settings parts, the first of which is rather small, and could be stored in the eeprom. 11.56.05 # This 2-part split is because the archos recorders have a 44-byte RAM in the RTC 11.56.23 # ah ok 11.56.32 # resume position might be handy to store in eeprom? 11.56.36 # hm hey, so I copied files with -o utf8, file browser shows things incorrectly (ä missing) but playback screen shows em ok, default codepage is set to utf8, hm? 11.56.42 # as that would make it possible to shutdown without spinning up the disk 11.57.46 # this bug is nealy unsolveable without linked lists of tracks, or heinous hacks. 11.57.54 # looks like i'm writing linked lists of tracks today. 11.58.35 # what is another basic thing i can try in a rockbox plugin? 11.59.03 # VoltageX: heh...isnt this the 3rd time you have asked? 11.59.15 # scorche: yes, and people ignored the noob 11.59.43 # * scorche gently pats VoltageX 11.59.51 # * VoltageX purrs 11.59.51 Join arse_ [0] (i=arse@orja.net) 12.00.08 # * scorche swells 12.00.38 # hah! both tracks end up having the same buffer position, due to having been buffered at the same place, and currently we free all tracks on a rebuffer, so have no detection of tracks that have _really_ been debuffered... rofl lol *kicks playback* 12.00.53 # scorche: apart from your swelling, do you have any ideas for me? 12.01.05 # VoltageX: I wrote the dice plugin to learn to write plugins, try dice, or tick-tack-toe or something 12.01.30 # dice sounds good 12.01.39 # but that one's been done :-P 12.01.47 # yahtzee! 12.02.00 # lostlogic: you think of something then! 12.02.08 # scorche: I'm not that good at c++ 12.02.13 # VoltageX: this is C. 12.02.21 # heh...beat me to it 12.02.24 # don't speak the name of that evil language around here :) 12.02.31 # <_FireFly_> c++ ;) 12.02.35 # ahh, 5am logic. 12.02.36 # lostlogic: oops 12.02.38 # c--; 12.02.45 # amiconn: thanks 12.03.03 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-152-244.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.03.03 # yeah, I'm not too good at that either 12.03.16 # c++ has lured me a bit with its STLness though 12.03.36 # <_FireFly_> scorche: nobody treats you to use STL ;) 12.03.43 # the STL is a waste of brain power, IMO, but then I always prefer to write my own data structures so I know their guts. 12.04.11 # I guess if I'll ever write a plugin I'll make a BMI calculator, simple enough.. 12.04.34 # and optimum aerobic heart rate etc 12.05.22 # Ave: bmi calc I could do 12.05.49 # Ave: but there's already a good calculator 12.06.00 # yeah as plain calculator 12.06.17 # implementing pthreads correctly is one thing i have found to be a good exercise....but then again, i am still learning 12.06.23 # bmi = height / weight^2 right? 12.06.35 # hm annoying thing, if I uave usb connected and its charging (via menu-trick) and then I power down the ipod, and later power on, the damn thing goes to disk mode 12.06.45 # cant the disk mode be avoided if you have usb plugged? 12.07.26 # if I press menu, it loads apple instead, and if I wait until rb loads, it fails to see me pressing menu.. 12.08.09 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 12.08.35 # VoltageX: no its bmi = [kg] / [m]² 12.10.07 # ok 12.11.26 # Ave: I always just unplugged the ipod before turning it on again 12.18.04 # yes thats the thing, BUT, it it breaks a charging cycle, will it harm the battery life? 12.18.24 # as is known, li+ batteries dont have the ni* memory effect but rather, limited set of charge cycles 12.18.33 # even the regular firmware has this problem, you can't sync up with the computer without a spurious charging cycle 12.18.56 # that makes panda sad 12.19.13 # even so, would it be possible to add 'menu' trick to rockbox start as well 12.19.25 # just like the event handler when its running and you plug in 12.19.36 # I've never bothered to worry about it. The charging cycle degredation is not as severe as you fear, if you care for the battery properly in other respects 12.19.57 # ok fair enough 12.20.21 # in my experience temperature kills more li-ion batteries than charging 12.20.36 Join lowesch [0] (n=lowe@c80-217-220-186.cm-upc.chello.se) 12.20.38 # don't leave it in the car on a hot day, etc. 12.21.00 Join webguest14 [0] (n=448e1d08@labb.contactor.se) 12.21.04 # I'm also wondering about moisture (electronics damage), if you keep the player near your skin etc, sometimes cellphone can be awfully wet when it sin pocket 12.21.36 # I guess that'd be sweat rather than condensed water 12.21.40 # not sure. The front and back are somewhat water resistant 12.22.29 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-1-139.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.23.21 # how do you know when the charging is done (in rb)? 12.23.31 # apple sw changes the battery icon to reflect this 12.23.55 # you don't get an animated charging icon do you? 12.24.13 # not unless its in disk mode 12.24.48 # Ave: Rockbox probably doesn't detect the charging status properly yet for the ipods - not much work has been done in that area so far. 12.24.52 # if its charging and I'm playing a song the only thing I see is given wps bat indicator or status bar graph/text 12.25.06 # well, it used to be possible to add #define HAVE_CHARGE_STATE in config-ipodnano.h and get charge status display 12.25.38 # you need #define HAVE_CHARGING 1 and #define HAVE_CHARGE_STATE 1 12.25.42 # That's possibly just detecting the presence of a charger, rather than actual charging. 12.25.52 # no, I tested it before 12.25.58 # On which ipod? 12.26.02 # nano 4GB 12.26.02 Quit webguest14 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 12.26.03 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 12.26.04 # where does the indication happen actually? 12.26.11 # I can experiment with it sure 12.26.11 Quit bluebrother ("Verlassend") 12.26.13 # it does the following, when the charger is connected, it displays a left-to-right filling up battery icon 12.26.25 # and when the battery is charged, it displays a back-and-forth trickle charge animation 12.26.34 # basically, you know, it does what it should 12.26.41 # ah 12.26.54 # hm well that warrants a compilation right there 12.27.32 # I'm not sure if the current CVS code still works with those two defines 12.27.44 # it was working, like, a month ago 12.27.46 # fails to compile or fails to run? 12.28.00 # oh it runs fine, it just doesn't animate the icon anymore 12.28.10 # I think. Again, I'm not sure. I haven't tried recently. 12.28.16 # I'll do it 12.28.41 # so, in order to upgrade all you have to do is replace rockbox.ipod and reset? 12.28.52 # both rockbox.ipod and .rockbox/ 12.29.05 # sounds like I'll lose settings 12.29.07 # if you type make zip, it builds a rockbox.zip file that you can just unzip in the ipod root 12.29.26 # you don't lose settings, not _usually_ (sometimes you do if the CVS code changes the right magic things) 12.29.32 # and you can save settings! 12.29.39 # ah right, gotcha 12.34.50 # MessageAll('MsgClientJoinTeam', '\c2%1 joined the %2 side', %this.name, 12.35.01 # crap wrong window 12.35.37 # What area should i troubleshoot if rockbox fails to loads it's OS ? I have an iPod Nano. (It gives med the error: -2; Loading apple firmware) 12.36.08 # I followed the ipod linux installation guide, 12.36.21 # dammit, I wrote most of that installation guide 12.36.50 # you probably did the same mistake that Tim Lord (the slashdot article writer) did: mixed up one of the filenames for another 12.37.02 # lowesch: Did you download the correct version of Rockbox? i.e. the Nano version, not another ipod version? 12.37.02 # Ave: I just tested it against the CVS code, the left-to-right charging animation works 12.37.09 # linuxstb: yes i did 12.37.25 # linuxstb: but it said, building for 4g, ipod mini... 12.37.29 # "-2" means the checksum doesn't match - which either means the rockbox.ipod file is corrupt, or is the wrong version. 12.37.33 # yes I have a pulsating battery icon 12.37.41 # however, my backlight seems to have died.. weird 12.37.43 # linuxstb: ok 12.37.45 # I don't intend to charge it up to capacity, but I would expect the trickle charge animation to work too (only on the default WPS though, the other ones are inferior in this respect) 12.37.50 # oh yeah you can fix that 12.38.07 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.38.15 # go to general settings, display, lcd settings, backlight while plugged in 12.38.29 # is the CVS from 0414 ok ? 12.38.42 # or should i take a older one. 12.38.44 # Ave: I also had problems with Line Selector, so you might fix that too 12.38.56 Join myth1 [0] (n=myth2311@pD95FE343.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.39.00 # hi everyone 12.39.02 # yeah the line selector was reset to hm the not inverted one 12.39.10 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.39.15 # it looks like a one-time glitch 12.39.18 # crap, it's Moos! 12.39.21 # * midkay runs to code 12.39.31 # haha : D 12.39.34 # Hello ! 12.39.41 # morning :) 12.39.45 Quit RedBreva ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 12.39.52 # don't check recent cvs commits until i say you can, k? :) 12.40.06 # I will try to to it all again and get back to you =) 12.40.08 # I need some help for 1st time install rockbox to the h320. I have downloaded the h300.hex, patched it and flashed it. I put all contents of the rockbox.zip into the root of the h320, but when I start, it just boots into the iriver firmware. did I miss something? 12.40.30 # lowesch: Firstly, just try downloading a new "rockbox.zip" from the website and unzip that to your ipod. 12.40.41 # midkay; hehe, k ; ) 12.40.53 # Galois: ah great stuff, thanks 12.41.09 # lowesch: I would be surprised if the bootloader installation is wrong - if it's displaying that message, it should mean it's working. 12.41.09 # I was running cvs as of this morning tho, before this config change 12.42.07 # linuxstb: I remember, I think i screw it up yesterday (or this morning) gotta go restore it on my windows machine, then try again. I have no doubt that it will work then. 12.42.08 # btw while using the ipod_fw tool the last phase can be misunderstood, even if I use -g nano the output doesnt mention nano at all! 12.42.17 # creating compatible ... 12.43.21 # but, one more question: is it "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 (zero or O) bootpartition.bin" here i se that it is 0 or ? 12.43.32 # zero 12.43.58 # ok thank you. 12.45.40 # And ofcourse, thank you for one wonderful and interesting piece of software =) 12.46.15 # linuxstb, do you know anything about the battery in various iPod models? 12.46.23 # i can't find any mAh values anywhere. 12.46.34 # i semi-remember hearing something around 450mAh.. 12.47.21 # Galois: the debug battery info shows "battery: charged", however the status bar bat symbol is.. I must have misinterpreted it 12.47.22 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 12.47.30 # midkay http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html has everything except nano and 5g 12.47.32 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-152-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.47.34 # the trickle symbol is few pixels wide alternating white/grey? 12.47.58 # the trickle symbol has two alternating images 12.48.08 # the charging symbol goes through at least three images in a cycle 12.48.14 # midkay: There's an ipod battery faq site on the web - ask Google. I think that has the mAh values for the different ipods. 12.48.21 # check that. 12.48.22 # @ devs: would this patch http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5052 considered an additional feature? I think it is, but then it would be nice to have in 3.0... 12.49.40 # I'm relaxed about adding new features to plugins. I think it's only the core we need to be strict about. 12.49.56 # Galois, thank you, very helpful :) 12.50.08 # does anyone have any info as to the nano and 5G? that'd be good to have.. 12.59.04 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp123-228.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.59.07 Join zoneout [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 12.59.33 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p50814645.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.59.54 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.05.09 # well I might have found a good reason that voice sucks. 13.05.26 # goodmorning lostlogic 13.05.39 Quit infamis ("I'm outtie like OJ in a white bronco") 13.05.42 # mornin' 13.06.25 # hey lostlogic 13.06.39 # WPS indication is still wrong when fast skipping, but it's a bit better 13.07.24 Join Pi___ [0] (n=Pi@80-41-249-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.07.58 # petur: don't worry, I promise it won't be working for a fair portion of today. I'm about to restructure the filebuf and turn tracks into linked lists instead of a fixed array, and lord knows that never breaks things. 13.08.04 Nick Pi___ is now known as Pi____ (n=Pi@80-41-249-229.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 13.08.23 # have fun ;) 13.11.47 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 13.11.52 Quit stoffel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.12.04 Quit lowesch ("leaving") 13.12.26 Nick stoffel_ is now known as stoffel (n=sfr@p50814645.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.14.44 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@client-82-20-15-120.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) 13.14.57 # Febs: remember your idea to have only the select button turn on backlight? 13.15.29 # lostlogic: you still around? 13.15.56 Join pussfeller [0] (n=todd@166-82-183-46.quickclick.ctc.net) 13.16.08 # cvs is hanging on bootup for me 13.16.33 # VoltageX: for the moment, probably going for a nap soon. 13.16.42 # pussfeller: Try resetting your settings. Which player do you have? 13.16.44 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-7-21.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.16.47 # ipod 13.16.51 # color photo 13.16.51 # lostlogic: do you know anything about libdumb? 13.17.02 # VoltageX: it needs work ;) 13.17.15 # pussfeller: Immediately after you turn on your ipod, turn the hold switch on. 13.17.24 # VoltageX: nope, sorry 13.17.29 # crashd: does it run in any form on rockbox? 13.17.36 Join norlatch [0] (i=UPP@adsl-dyn-248-68.heliweb.de) 13.17.39 # lostlogic: ok 13.17.40 # well, it's in cvs, but it doesnt do anything, afaik 13.18.18 # crashd: unfortunately I don't know enough to make it work myself, and I really want tracker music 13.18.21 # yup linuxstb that did it 13.18.38 # VoltageX: yeah, don't we all, i imagine at some point it'll be integrated as a codec, but right now it does nothing 13.18.49 # crashd: and it's not looking good, because the cvs is 4-12 months old in that directory 13.19.16 # VoltageX: well, that just means no one has touched it, it doesnt mean there's anything wrong with the libdumb build in there. 13.19.30 # i assume whatever changes were made to make it integer only can easily be done against a newer source 13.19.36 # but, as ive said, there's no integration 13.20.00 # crashd: do you know how to put it into the makefile so it gets built? 13.20.25 # linuxstb: hi, i'd like to try SID out on my ipod, is there a patch around i can use? 13.20.32 # to backup the ipod, a "dd if=/dev/sde of=backup.ipod" should be sufficient, right? 13.20.56 # ep0ch: It should be on the patch tracker soon. 13.21.17 # ah cool 13.21.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.21.50 # mooch: Yes - but probably overkill. You really just need to backup the boot partition (/dev/sde1), and maybe the MBR (the first sector). 13.22.12 # ep0ch / linuxstb - SID? 13.22.26 # Yes, the author of "tinysid" has ported it to Rockbox. 13.22.30 # SID, the c64 sound chip 13.22.54 # linuxstb: ooh, first step for tracker music 13.23.02 # ah, interesting.. 13.23.05 # linuxstb: i want to backup my music too... dont want to have to transfer everything again... 13.23.33 # mooch: If I was you, I would just backup your music by copying the contents of the FAT32 partition. But it's up to you. 13.23.53 # linuxstb: the problem is that i need to "dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/ipod" because the file system claims to be locked and is mounted read-only under linux 13.24.02 # linuxstb: no fat32 here, but hfs+ 13.24.30 # Have you tried rebooting your Linux PC? 13.24.40 # linuxstb: copying the content will not work if once i clean the hard disk it still claims it can only be mounted read-only 13.24.47 # linuxstb: me? 13.24.51 # Yes. 13.24.56 # yup 13.25.00 # several times 13.25.13 # But if you just backup using "dd", then when you restore it, you will get an identical ipod. 13.25.15 # i have tried mounting the ipod in several machines... 13.25.16 # are there any codecs that do _not_ use the malloc buffer? 13.25.43 # linuxstb: the problem is that once i clean it, i might have the problem that i cannot write to the disk under linux 13.26.10 # linuxstb: so in that case, yes, I would like to restore it to the original state 13.26.40 # Have you successfully written to the ipod in the past? IIUC, HFS+ write support is a relatively new Linux feature. 13.27.02 # linuxstb: if once i rewrite the disk with /dev/null and then i can write, i can clean up the backup... i have all the music i need to put back 13.27.30 # linuxstb: sure, but i unplugged once the ipod without unmounting it (i was in a rush) and after that it can only be written under macosx 13.27.49 # well, must go to the radio program now... 13.27.51 # bbl 13.28.02 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-17-191.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.30.50 # SID codec now on the patch tracker: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5130 13.31.11 # wahoooo 13.32.10 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.32.43 # eurgh, why does cygwin lock directories so i cant delete them within either cygwin or windows 13.32.46 # real pain in the ass 13.33.03 # will I break my player if I force the fm frequency on rockbox waaay too low? 13.33.06 # Most often this is caused by explorer 13.33.08 # what you're looking at is windows suckage, not cygwin per se 13.33.16 # (@ crashd) 13.33.21 # hehe, see, that's what i thought 13.33.36 # however, it's fudged the perms so badly, even after a reinstall of windwows 12 months down the line, i cant delete an old cygwin install directory 13.33.46 # crashd: There's a workaround that avoids restarting windows: 13.33.47 # and ive tried all sorts of ntfs permissions stuff to make it deletable 13.33.53 # nonon, re INSTALLING 13.34.00 # i had to for various reasons a few weeks back 13.34.00 # Huh? 13.34.25 # * amiconn never reinstalled windows on his laptop 13.34.52 # This is still the original installation from Sony, >2.5 years back... 13.34.59 # you're a lucky man 13.35.21 # * amiconn is playing around with tagcache on his archos recorder 13.35.38 # ok, I feel like a real noob now, how do I apply patches to rockbox? 13.36.08 # Patches are changes to the source code. So you need to set up a compiling environment to use them. 13.37.19 Quit Slocketman ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.37.19 # linuxstb: I have cygwin + m68k-elf-gcc 13.37.39 # VoltageX: do you have patch/diff utils from cygwin also? 13.38.11 # crashd: yes 13.38.26 # VoltageX: okay, well you just download the source tree, grab the .diff file from the patch tracker 13.38.29 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-0180.bb.online.no) 13.38.38 # go into the rockbox-bleedingedge directory and do 'patch -p0 < sid_v1.diff' 13.38.40 # or whatever 13.38.59 # can I do multiple patches at once? 13.39.08 # check the wiki, there's a page for 'dealing with patches' and 'compiling' 13.39.21 # no, you'd have to do them seperately if you're just using 'patch' 13.39.30 # ok 13.39.38 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.39.47 # linuxstb: is this diff'ed from the latest source tree? 13.40.09 # hmm a bash script using something like "for *.diff in dir do" would work 13.40.19 # or a python script :D 13.40.40 # im getting a ton of lockups from the cvs 13.42.13 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.42.59 # Slasheri: Tagcache works pretty well on archos. 13.43.09 # There's a bit of delay when browsing around, during which the search happens, but it's bearable (around a second). 13.43.14 # anyone know the H300's battery capacity? 13.43.22 # Iirc this was also the case with the old tagdb 13.43.34 # midkay: ads/manual says 16hrs 13.43.36 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-24-60.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.43.41 # midkay: I get 8 :( 13.43.52 # (but currently I can only see a fraction of my tracks, you know why ;) ) 13.43.59 # VoltageX, haha. that's very sad and touching, but i'd like the capacity in mAh :) 13.44.14 # oh 13.44.21 # * VoltageX looks at back of iriver 13.44.26 # midkay: Someone said 1400mAh 13.44.40 # hmm. 13.44.47 # A bit more than H1x0 13.45.01 # doh it doesn't say 13.45.06 # crashd: If you're talking about the SID patch, then I made the diff a couple of hours ago. It should apply cleanly. 13.45.27 # well, the source tree ive got is from yesterday when i was toying with myth1's source build 13.45.41 # midkay: There's only one way to make sure: open a H300 and check 13.45.43 # lostlogic made a change to the codec api - you need the latest CVS. 13.45.44 # and it applies fine, but doesnt build, but i think that the source tree is a bit of a state 13.45.49 # it'll have to wait 13.45.52 # amiconn, you have an H300, right? >:) 13.45.55 # yes 13.46.00 # yeah sid patch works well 13.46.10 # I probably will check this 13.46.21 # i'm listening to 2nd reality as we speak :) 13.46.27 # 2nd reality!!! :o 13.46.31 # hmm.. i'll leave the range 1300-3200 for now i guess.. 13.46.31 # the win 13.46.34 # #!@$!! just got shocked by a usb cable 13.50.40 Quit nle_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.12 Join marevalo [0] (n=marevalo@74.Red-80-34-124.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 13.52.19 # hi all 13.52.35 # VoltageX: yeah, it's funny how that works, ground loops and all that. 13.52.40 # hey, marevalo - was hoping to catch you on irc :) 13.52.43 # what've you got your feet resting on? :) 13.52.59 # midkey: hi, I'm not quite an IRC guy at all ;-) 13.53.27 # midkay: I'm more pro-XMPP :-D 13.53.33 # * amiconn guesses marevalo popped in b/c of amiconn's latest commit 13.53.46 # i created the necessary bitmaps for the vkeyboard for 320x240 LCDs a while ago, but then i realized possibly the plugin isn't your work :) 13.53.49 # amiconn: no problem for me 13.54.01 # midkay: at the time, nothing, my feet were 10cm off the ground 13.54.27 # amiconn: just wondering what was the freeze policy about plugins 13.54.35 # midkay: musta been touching a metal part of my wheelchair o.O 13.54.43 # VoltageX, you mean ashridah :) 13.54.57 # amiconn: nice, and now even chunked browsing seems to work quite seamlessly :) 13.55.01 # uhh yea 13.55.15 # I may have to go in search of coffee. 13.55.16 # bye everyone 13.55.19 Join FutureCrash [0] (i=julius@irc.finalfuture.de) 13.55.20 Quit myth1 () 13.56.04 # marevalo, were you involved in creating rockcalendar, or did you just write the wiki page, or what? 13.56.18 # hi all :) 13.56.18 # or maybe you just updated it :) 13.56.27 Part Pi____ 13.56.42 # midkay: nop, I just fixed the tracker link that was wrong 13.56.46 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.57.02 # oops, haha, sorry :) 13.57.05 # marevalo: I noticed only one temporary problem with the opening book addition: If you have a saved state from old chessbox, new chessbox with opening book gets confused 13.57.06 # i hadn't seen it before.. 13.57.23 # amiconn: yep there are a couple of bugs there 13.57.33 # It doesn't crash, but displays wrong pieces, and some gfx trash. A simple reset fixes this 13.57.40 # I read that rockbox doesn't work on ipod g3 - are there any plans to get it working? 13.57.45 # * lostlogic looks around innocently I'd never change the API suddenly... 13.58.29 # amiconn: yep, I was thinking about adding some versioning to the save file, but don't really know as this is only useful for developer, what do you think? 14.00.09 # so what is the freeze policy about plugins? I was going to start mark2 on chessbox (menus and a whole lot batch of new options) 14.00.22 # Well, it would protect users from ugly experiences like this. 14.00.43 # is todays daily build faulty, on nano i get no file, codec failure and illeagal instruction errors? 14.00.49 # The freeze policy for plugins is less strict than for the core 14.00.50 Nick zoneout is now known as p0wr-toc (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.01.39 # ok, and how about the Plugin Usability Guide, what do you think guys about it? 14.02.11 # yay PUG 14.02.16 # arse_, probably.. i think april 3 is the last "should-be-working" build since lostlogic started revamping the playback code... expect new bugs and fixes daily for a little while or just stick with that build, i think :) 14.02.57 # marevalo, that looked good, i went through it as you noticed, but haven't checked it since your "last update".. which i'll probably do tomorrow :) 14.02.57 # hmm... so, noone tried rockbox on ipod g3 already? 14.03.09 # FutureCrash, um, it either doesn't work or barely.. 14.03.14 # midkay: ok, i'll try that, thanks 14.03.27 # arse_, np 14.03.41 # amiconn: maybe theli is not that happy with your CB commit: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5054 14.03.42 # midkay I read that... I thought of trying it out and perhaps trying to get it working 14.03.56 Nick p0wr-toc is now known as powr-toc (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.04.23 # amiconn: we ended with 3 diferent pieces for the Mini ;-) 14.04.29 # FutureCrash, none of the dev team who are generally responsible for getting things like that working have an iPod 3G, but if you think you might be able to help, feel free to try :) 14.05.12 # midkay, ok, the real point is if the developers are ok with it, as many plugins would be "broken" with that guide in mind 14.05.15 # midkay I've not much experience in coding such things, but I think it would be an interesting thing to work on that :) 14.05.44 # marevalo, well, depends on if you see it as a guide or actual rules :) 14.06.36 # marevalo: Ooops, overlooked this one... 14.06.48 # it's quite a nice guide, but i don't think you have to be too strict on it or anything.. 14.06.48 # I swear I checked the tracker before... 14.06.50 # midkay: yep, the experience of having usability guides on projects like GNOME has been quite positive 14.07.15 # FutureCrash, any progress is good progress, or something... whatever.. yes, help is very welcome. yeah. there. :) 14.07.22 Quit damaki_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.07.40 # midkay: and the status of the plugin-pool gives an image of been to disparate 14.07.52 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 14.08.13 # disparate? 14.08.14 # hmm... 14.08.20 # I would really like to have all the "base" plugins work in the same way 14.08.29 # midkay: different 14.08.41 # marevalo, wow, i've never heard or seen that word before, thanks :) 14.08.55 # midkay: sorry, it's just my spanglish 14.09.02 # midkay yeah :) I'll look what I can do... I'll test tomorrow or so on my iPod and then decide what to do further 14.09.05 # marevalo, well, it's a real word :) 14.09.33 # FutureCrash, cool 14.09.59 # midkay, you know, it's the latin-english slang :-P 14.10.13 # haha. :) 14.10.49 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 14.10.52 # midkay yes, and I hope that I can get it working at last - I've so many music in other formats than mp3 or aac that I just need it ;) 14.11.02 # ok, I will fix chessbox before returning to the usability side 14.11.15 # and i will fix usability before... um.. you return to it :) 14.11.19 # ;) 14.11.55 # FutureCrash, cool. i was under the impression that it wasn't working, but someone told me it in fact was, or used to.. so i'm not sure what's going on with it exactly. i'm pretty sure audio doesn't work even if you can manage to get it running.. 14.12.13 # uhh what files are necessary for the sid codec to work? 14.13.24 # .sid files? 14.13.39 # haha. 14.13.48 # ep0ch: Loading flashes up then disappears 14.14.11 # and the patch applied cleanly? 14.14.15 # midkay could be that audio doesn't work, but I hope that there will be a possibility :) 14.14.31 # FutureCrash, hm, good luck :) 14.14.35 # and you'll *need* it :) 14.14.55 # ep0ch: yes, no problems with the patch 14.15.03 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.15.11 # thanks ;) 14.15.11 # ep0ch: I only copied sid.codec to my player though 14.15.40 Join nle_ [0] (n=nle`@ti132110a080-13818.bb.online.no) 14.15.56 # VoltageX: oh i installed a full build 14.16.45 # VoltageX: otherwise rockbox probably won't know how to associate .sid files with sid.codec 14.17.29 # VoltageX, you definitely need rockbox.ipod/iriver/iaudio.. 14.17.32 # when I do make tar, it's not including the full build 14.17.43 # make zip 14.17.59 # ep0ch: cygwin's zip utility has screwed itself over 14.19.00 # ah, got it 14.19.09 Quit powr-toc ("Leaving") 14.19.45 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 14.22.30 Quit nle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.22.33 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-64.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.23.08 # FAT: Filesystem panic (dev sdb2) doh 14.23.26 # i'll never get this to work :/ 14.26.42 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 14.27.23 # ep0ch: Are sub-songs currently played by the SID codec? I don't know much about SID. 14.27.24 Join thouters [0] (n=thouters@89-55.245.81.adsl.skynet.be) 14.28.13 Join lowesch [0] (n=lowe@c80-217-220-186.cm-upc.chello.se) 14.29.01 # Hello again, I just wanted to say that i got it working on the iPod Nano. And thanks for the application, it looks awesome :) 14.30.17 # lucky bastard :P 14.30.23 # hehe 14.30.49 # arse_: by working, i mean it booted 14.31.28 # oops! rockbox crashed 14.33.26 # just had to restore my nano, maybe on the second time... 14.33.46 # Wee, nice! Jusat noticed that the bleeding edge builds appear as they're built now :) 14.34.37 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 14.34.45 # amiconn: you mean more bleeding edge than the build that just crashed my player? 14.34.59 # hi 14.35.20 # I mean that the builds are added one-by-one here: http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 14.35.36 # They used to be available only after the whole build cycle completed 14.36.17 # linuxstb: yeah i think the sid codec does traverse through the subsongs automatically, but there should be a way of manually selecting each one 14.36.49 # That will be the same problem as chapters in .m4a files, chained Ogg files, FLAC files with embedded cuesheets.... 14.36.57 # hmm I have idea 14.37.03 # cuesh*ts 14.37.12 # now I can have http://www.hvsc.c64.org/ on my iriver 14.37.29 Join Pi___ [0] (n=Pi@80-41-194-123.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 14.38.33 Join bluebrother [0] (n=810dba02@labb.contactor.se) 14.40.14 # Why is WPS included to build which don't fit in target? 14.40.50 # I think Cassandra was working on changing that. 14.41.10 # => Some WPS is included to build of target that isn't right. What is reason? 14.42.05 # I think that can be included that it fits in target like plugin. 14.42.08 # midkay: Imho there should also be a BATTERY_CAPACITY_DEFAULT for each target. Default is not always equal to minimum 14.43.39 # amiconn, correct, that's what i was planning for tomorrow, but i kind of need to get to bed :) i didn't feel like hunting down the default capacities and inserting them for each model, but i'll definitely do it tomorrow morning if someone else hasn't jumped on it since then.. 14.44.39 # all I need now is libdumb and rockbox is all i need 14.45.09 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.47.12 # midkay: big thanks, it now works and plays my oggs perfectly 14.47.44 # the interface looks kinda screwed up when playing music... anyone know any fix ? 14.47.52 # arse_, good :) 14.48.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK XavierGr 14.48.00 # 10[15:35] 0000,03amiconn00,9901: They used to be available only after the whole build cycle completed01,99 <- amiconn: I remember that this was done many days before. 14.48.16 # lowesch: define "screwed up" 14.48.32 # XavierGr: Maybe, but I only noticed it today 14.48.41 # VoltageX: what is libdumb? 14.48.55 # thouters: tracker music codec 14.49.00 # VoltageX: the progressbar lies ontop of the artist - title area 14.49.28 # amiconn, do you know why the battery stuff in the config files is defined within #ifndef SIMULATOR? 14.49.59 # and I see a box that I suppose should be centered, but it's placed to the left 14.50.41 Join warthawg [0] (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-180-235.austin.res.rr.com) 14.51.01 # lowesch: what player? 14.51.38 # lowesch: You are probably just using a WPS not designed for your player. Or you need to use a different font. 14.51.50 # linuxstb_: ah ok. 14.51.50 Nick Lost-ash is now known as ashridah (i=ashridah@220-253-122-64.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.51.56 # i have the ipod nano. 14.52.28 # That's the reason then. Very few WPS authors have offered their work for inclusion in Rockbox CVS. 14.52.48 # But the WpsGallery wiki page has some. 14.53.23 # I'll check it out. 14.53.47 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 14.53.47 # * Pi___ grumbles about coding menues 14.54.10 Join Russss [0] (n=russ@cpc2-glfd2-0-0-cust965.glfd.cable.ntl.com) 14.55.37 # I cant see what is wrong with my patch www.see.ed.ac.uk/~s0453136/triggerbutton.patch 14.56.31 # amiconn or linuxstb - is there any reason that battery type is defined within ifndef SIMULATOR?.. can that be moved out or what? 14.57.33 Join bluefoxicy [0] (n=bluefox@c-68-33-112-13.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 14.57.35 # aha! 14.57.46 # * bluefoxicy kept joining #rockbox on furnet and wondering why nobody was there! 14.58.22 # on iPod 5gen rockbox doesn't seem to read the iTunesDB 14.58.23 # lowesch, the amprocknanoblue wps is nice 14.58.53 # warthawg: yeah they're all looking nice =) 14.59.12 # hi, anyone fancy talking about Audioscrobbler support? :) 14.59.17 # * warthawg licks his rockbox nano 14.59.28 # warthawg: kinky! 14.59.35 # heh 14.59.44 # i just unzip a wps in the .rockbox/wps dir ? 14.59.45 # please note, it's not our first date 15.00.01 # * bluefoxicy would do worse on the first date 15.00.08 # no browse for it, play it, its installed 15.00.36 # can it still be zipped or ? 15.00.47 # i think it is general settings -> display -> browse .wps 15.01.58 # * Russss will ramble on anyway 15.02.30 # I work for last.fm, we've just come up with a standard log file which portable players can use to log plays 15.02.30 # lowesch, did you download one that wasn't included? if so, i haven't done that, but i would assume the procedure would be to unzip it into .rockbox/wps 15.02.35 # http://www.audioscrobbler.net/wiki/Portable_Player_Logging 15.02.44 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.02.45 # our new client will read this file and submit the data to last.fm 15.02.49 # Russss, is that cool? 15.03.21 # it would be rather nice if rockbox could read this 15.03.31 # possibly nice enough for me to buy a new ipod 15.03.35 # heh 15.04.20 # VoltageX: The HVSC won't work with dircache, there's way too many files!! 15.04.45 # ep0ch: split it up 15.06.31 # Russss: unfortunately, rockbox is in feature freeze, so a feature like that might take a while to get into cvs. that doesn't mean it can't be developed. there's a (broken admittedly) runtime stats capturing engine in rockbox already 15.07.02 # http://www.chitsol.com/images/news/q.jpg 15.07.03 # hahahaha 15.07.03 Quit bluebrother ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 15.07.11 # ok fine, we're in no hurry because our client software is a month or two away from release anyway 15.07.19 Quit powr-toc (Remote closed the connection) 15.07.37 # I could be tempted to buy a new player and implement it myself. Maybe I can charge that as an expense. 15.07.41 # heh 15.08.07 # http://times.hankooki.com/lpage/tech/200604/kt2006041317503911780.htm 15.08.43 # Russss: it's probably possible to build it using the simulators 15.08.43 Join wefds [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 15.09.25 # will rockbox play videos on Ipod 5G? 15.09.38 # bluefoxicy, no. 15.09.44 # I'm learning m68k asm the hard way, can somebody explain me what this does? http://pastebin.com/661390 15.09.58 # midkay: planned feature? 15.09.59 # I like the "Debug (keep out)" entry =) 15.10.18 # * bluefoxicy is also interested in it reading the itunesdb 15.10.49 # bluefoxicy, not in the near future, no, not planned.. 15.11.00 # and, rockbox has its own tag database.. tagcache. 15.11.35 # yeah but when switching between proprietary player firmware and rockbox, sometimes it's nice to have access at hand... ipod files are random filenames 15.12.31 # wow 15.12.35 # you guys wrote your own kernel? 15.13.15 # bluefoxicy, tagcache will find those itunes-written randomly named files 15.13.26 # it is one of the best kernels i have never helped write 15.13.34 # if you could call it that.. rockbox is coded from scratch, save for the codecs and a few low level ipod hardware things.. 15.13.45 # * bluefoxicy would have figured someone would use netbsd, freebsd, or Linux with all the hardware-specific stuff and drivers stripped out. Then again that leaves you with implementations of memcpy() and strcpy() ;) 15.13.54 # ah, must be very simple hardware 15.14.15 # bluefoxicy: given that rockbox was originally written for the archos, using a unix kernel would easily have been excessive 15.14.41 # bed for midkay! :) night all.. 15.14.45 # woot flac 15.14.56 # it was then ported to the iriver, where the software codecs were added, along with a bunch of other dsp features, then the H3xx, ipod and iaudio ports followed. 15.15.29 # ah 15.15.30 # later midkay 15.16.49 # * warthawg notes the new oral tradition of the Internet 15.16.56 # * qwm hugs Russss with warmth, love, and midkay 15.17.09 # playing uncompressed avi like ipodlinux would be cool 15.17.17 # so what about the artist/album browser like in iPod, a better shuffle (i.e. rhythmbox's shuffle code!) than what iPod has, etc 15.17.53 # bluefoxicy: nobody says you can't hack those features up for yourself ;-) 15.18.07 # well, except maybe your skills 15.18.13 # yeh lack of skill 15.18.29 # bluefoxicy: all of those features exist already 15.18.32 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.18.45 # ashridah: cool. Then I will have to tinker with this a bit 15.18.46 # bluefoxicy: did you take a look at tagcache 15.18.51 # shuffle is already truely random (well, as random as any turing machine can manage, ie, pseudorandom) 15.18.58 # thouters: not sure what tagcache is 15.19.06 # as for album/artist, put the file view into ID3 mode 15.19.18 # ashridah: rhythmbox lets you rate things like in itunes, and weights itself based on the rating 15.19.21 # (hold down the menu button so the quickmenu pops up, then use (iirc) down to change the view) 15.19.31 # ah, can't do that yet, we haven't got a working runtime database 15.19.35 # it needs fixing 15.19.38 # * ashridah looks at HCl 15.19.45 # itunes and ipod both just take the files and randomize the playlist order 15.19.51 # so they play every file 1 time each time through 15.20.25 # which means that you have a 1/n chance to play any given song first, 1/(n-1) for any of the remaining second, etc. 15.20.31 Quit warthawg ("my work here is done") 15.20.57 Join MrBIOS-slabby [0] (n=aperez@AStrasbourg-151-1-60-21.w83-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 15.21.01 # hi folks 15.21.15 # A real random playlist has 1/n for each song each time, while the weighted algorithm like in rhythmbox is less likely to play lower rated songs but is otherwise random. :) 15.21.16 # I'm wondering if anyone can tell me the status of the non-working parts of the iPod 3G port? 15.21.30 # which I like a lot 15.21.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.21.45 # MrBIOS-slabby: they're not working 15.22.36 # bluefoxicy: are you a rhythmbox hacker or do you folow development? 15.25.18 Quit filoktetes ("Leaving") 15.25.23 # MrBIOS-slabby: seriously tho, there should be a description of what is/isn't working on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort 15.25.26 # mmm, what tool can you use in linux to change a fat label? 15.25.55 # look at the IPodStatus link 15.26.38 Join sketcher [0] (n=sketcher@84-74-69-196.dclient.hispeed.ch) 15.26.49 # hallo :-) 15.27.31 # does anybody know how to install themes on rockbox? 15.28.23 # the wps goes into .rockbox/wps and the theme config goes into .rockbox/themes 15.28.36 # * Pi___ jumps around happy thinking he has found his bug 15.28.36 # ashridah: there's NOT. That's why I came here 15.28.43 # I read that page first 15.28.48 # thx i'll try that 15.28.50 # MrBIOS-slabby: there is. the bootloader works. nothing else does. :) 15.29.02 # it doesn't say that 15.29.26 Join Gena [0] (n=Gena@80.178.120.11.adsl.012.net.il) 15.29.51 # iPod Daily Builds? Status 15.29.52 # hey guys 15.29.52 # 3G Port is being actively developed - bootloader is working, but Rockbox itself is not yet functional. 15.30.30 # are there any x5 developers here at the moment? 15.30.37 # MrBIOS-slabby: there might be more info on the rockbox forums tho 15.30.48 # i haven't seen any 3g specific stuff mentioned here, but that's hardly conclusive 15.31.22 Quit lowesch ("leaving") 15.32.32 # amiconn? 15.33.08 Join ABondar [0] (i=alexande@Oe154.o.pppool.de) 15.34.27 Quit sketcher () 15.35.11 # is there any risk of bricking my player if I tell rockbox its fm module can go down to 1mhz? 15.35.26 Join slink87 [0] (n=slinkzor@219.90.242.173) 15.35.40 # you guys are awesome, wicked job with rockbox 15.35.41 # <3 it 15.35.58 # OH its awesome 15.36.07 # sure to impress chicks at work 15.36.14 # "OH! you have a custom firmware on your ipod 15.36.18 # lol 15.36.19 # sleep with me!" 15.36.32 # that should be the channel tpic 15.36.48 # RockBox - Sure to impress the chicks at work. 15.36.49 # VoltageX: don't think so, check the code and the datasheet to verify what it will write... I can tell you it won't be what you expect ;) 15.37.15 # VoltageX: that was of course about the fm module 15.37.33 # petur: i know the iriver tuner supports down to at least 76mhz 15.38.21 Quit slink87 (Client Quit) 15.39.37 # anyways, bed time now 15.39.42 Quit VoltageX () 15.41.10 # tagcache runs automatically now? 15.41.22 # i didn't do a force update 15.41.43 # it always does 15.41.58 # ah. i'm just not used to it working ;) 15.42.06 # I think if dircache is on 15.42.41 # * petur won't use it until the virtual folder arrives :D 15.43.19 # and dircache is on by default now 15.44.00 # would be nice to have an 'All' entry in the id3 tag browser (like give me all files by Foobartheband) 15.46.55 # midkay: I believe things are defined in the config files under #ifndef SIMULATOR if they are not implemented in the simulator. Things such as CPU emulation, low-level battery emulation etc. If you move #defines out of that section, you will most likely break the sim. 15.48.07 # * petur learns some coldfire asm and understand the code even less :( 15.48.28 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 15.49.02 # hmm, i have a problem. My H300 stock battery (1400mAh) got 12,5h rockbox runtime (rockbox version build anywhen in january). Now I have a cheap 2200mAh battery again and now i got 11,5h. :( Is that battery sooo bad or is rockbox needing more power .... 15.49.48 # Rob2222: to be sure, try again with a january build? 15.50.00 # who manages the sudoku plugin? 15.50.44 # petur: how to get? 15.51.40 Quit Pi___ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.52.15 # Rob2222: daily builds -> older 15.52.45 # ah ok 15.52.46 # thx 15.53.26 # but there is no january version 15.53.27 # ^^ 15.53.27 Quit petur ("bbl") 15.54.25 # can i get the cvs sources from2006-01-19 15.54.27 # ? 15.54.55 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.55.20 Quit XavierGr ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 15.55.40 # hmm, apparently this box doesn't have enough cpu power to play mp3s in realtime using the simulator, heh 15.56.46 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 15.56.55 # the model of player I configured it for shouldn't affect that should it? 15.57.23 # this pc does suck amazingly, apple have stolen my powerbook from me. 15.57.34 # amiconn: real chunked browsing support committed, please try =) 15.58.02 Join Rob2222|Laptop [0] (n=ac9e8ae5@labb.contactor.se) 16.00.39 # would it help anyone at all to enable "gather runtime data" and give the data to someone? 16.01.04 # piroko: no, that feature doesn't work at the moment 16.01.19 # ah ok. is there anything that can be done to aid in battery calibration? 16.01.58 # that "gather runtime data" is entirely different thing.. it will be redesigned for the tagcache soon 16.02.06 # try battery_bench plugin 16.02.20 # it will generate a benchmark file in the player root directory 16.02.50 # i should probably run it from a full charge and let it drain while playing then, right? 16.03.26 # yes, you should put the player in repeat mode to play same bitrate and same format files continuosly 16.03.30 # btw, does anybody want a battery bench from ipod video for the battery calibration? 16.03.35 # and you shouldn't touch the player until it shut off 16.04.13 # ouch. we trying to gather data for all kinds of different formats/bitrates? 16.04.52 # piroko: well, for battery calibration the bitrate doesn't matter as long as it wont change between the songs played 16.04.53 # all my stuff is either mp3 vbr or ogg, obviously vbr. 16.04.59 # oh ok 16.05.17 # cbr mp3s could be even more accurate 16.05.22 # so in other words, charge the player, run the benchmark, play one song continuously till it dies 16.05.26 # but i think vbr should do it too 16.05.49 # or an album looped with a bunch of say 192kbps mp3s 16.05.57 # you could also play a whole folder continuosly (it will drain battery little faster) 16.06.08 # and then who do I give this data to? 16.06.18 # but playing one song is also enough, and should give more accurate results 16.06.28 # it will just take longer before the battery dies 16.06.38 # piroko: you could upload it to the wikiä 16.06.42 # -ä 16.06.51 Join amar [0] (n=amar@80-41-199-87.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 16.07.37 # where in the code is the actual runtime calculated for the ipods? if I collected valid data, is there anything I can do to fine tune the battery life estimation? 16.08.10 # yes, you can find the calibrated values in firmware/powermngt.c 16.08.17 # awesome. thank you 16.08.20 # :) 16.08.21 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A472DA.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.13.16 Quit nle_ ("got to go") 16.15.25 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 16.18.36 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.33.36 # interesting stuff, this battery drain estimation 16.37.06 # does anyone know what's holding down the development of the dual-boot for iaudio? 16.38.48 # Gena: there was planning by the dev working on iaudio (LinusN), but surely isn't much priority since we are on feature freeze, and fix current bugs for all targets as possible is the main goal 16.39.49 # but dual-boot will happen for sure 16.40.18 # i see... the feature freeze is for an upcoming major version? 16.41.02 # 3.0 release one, planed for 1erMay if all is well 16.42.02 # oh... 16.42.25 # for archos, iriver only 16.42.48 # 3.1 will include iaudio if all happen goos too 16.43.10 Quit ABondar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.43.24 # *god 16.43.24 # so what's the point of a feature freeze on the iaudio? 16.43.26 # good 16.43.42 # feature freeze for *Rockbox* ; ) 16.44.10 # hmm... 16.44.39 # new feature can potentially come with new bugs, then if you want to hunt the current bugs, better to not creates new ones 16.45.18 # mh as if CONFIG_BATTERY is not defined for ipod nano? 16.46.10 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 16.47.04 # does that mean that even if hypothetically i implement the dual-boot, it wont be included? 16.47.13 # Ave: maybe midkay didn't know the values for nano, I' remebering he was sopken about something, check irc logs 16.47.53 # ipod config defines something for 1300 mAh but its not that variable 16.48.25 # if its this easy to get proper battery estimation working I'm sure gonna do it, what you guys discussed earlier running the benchmark 16.48.47 # <_FireFly_> Gena: it will be included after the feature-freeze has ended(if the code gets accept) 16.49.15 # Gena: new ports things are'nt considered like new features, but there is only *one* guy working/worked on the bootloader front (LinusN), a,d he seems to be busy and X5 probably isn't prioritary issue... 16.50.21 Join punkrockguy318 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 16.50.31 # Gena: don't worries that will happen in a soon futur 16.50.33 # Hello all :) 16.50.41 # Hi 16.51.03 # I just installed rockbox on my ipod 5g, it's a really cool project! :) 16.51.12 # hehe indeed ; ) 16.51.23 # yeah, I just installed it into mine today 16.51.30 # i'm going to take a look at the source and start hacking away on it 16.51.36 # every day new users ! 16.51.37 # but imagine this, I learned about rockbox before it was in slashdot.. 16.51.56 # hmm 16.52.18 # i skimmed over the page before the /.ing, but it didn't even have sound support for the ipod, so i didn't check it out 16.53.10 # I guess the ipod support has been progressing huge leaps lately 16.53.55 # yeah, it's not bad 16.54.19 # very very impressive all in all, gotta admit 16.54.25 # yeah 16.54.54 # i don't think it'll be ready for world domination for a while, but... doesn't mean i won't use it :) 16.55.13 # i love open source! now, i can just hack away on it and improve it to my liking :) 16.55.35 # to me it looks like theres only couple things missing like, apple-cute theme out of the box, and more optimized decoders 16.55.51 # I got one han, so maybe some stability fixes too 16.55.54 # hang 16.55.55 # i really seem to prefer rockbox over ipl 16.56.05 # Ave: yeah, i get hangs every once and a while as well 16.56.15 # like someone says, rockbox continues where ipl leaves 16.56.26 # ipl sure looks like apple firmware 16.56.36 # you can blame current playback engine rewrites for that. 16.56.41 # ipl looks like the 2g firmware 16.56.52 # if you can, you might want to go back a few weeks in CVS, audio was a bit more stable then 16.57.16 # nah, on ehang in a day isnt all that bad as long as it doesnt wreck the data 16.57.29 # yeah 16.57.42 # I'm ready to bleed for the edge 16.58.10 # i wonder what it would take to get a iTunesDB support.. there's a libgpod that deals with it already 16.58.29 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 16.58.43 # would it matter? you cant exactly play back apple drm files anyhow 16.59.10 # and when you have mass storage file transfers why would you use itms 16.59.38 # i guess your right 16.59.52 # but eh I have seen some talk about this in the wiki 17.00.08 # before rhythmbox i had been using gtkpod on linux, and just transferring all my mp3s from my CDs 17.00.17 # rockbox* excuse me :) 17.00.21 # Rockbox Wiki is really full of informations 17.00.40 # There is a plugin on the patch tracker that reads playlists from the itunesdb. The author of that plugin seemed to be interested in further itunesdb support, but I don't think he's published anything. 17.01.41 # But itunesdb support is useless for a) All Rockbox users who don't run it on ipods; b) Rockbox users who use file formats not supported by itunes - FLAC, Vorbis, Wavpack, AC3, Shorten, ... 17.01.41 # i'll have to check that out 17.01.52 Join spitball [0] (n=d31ea12a@labb.contactor.se) 17.02.03 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.02.52 # i personally don't care for the way itunes synchs things.. having to use a certain program to put media on my media player.. itunes just randomly puts songs in random folders with random file names... it's not very elegant :-\ 17.03.09 # for a reason you know 17.03.23 # get away evil freedom fighter hackers! 17.03.26 # vade retro satana 17.03.42 # :) hehe. gtkpod has been actually working quite nicely, ugly as it is. 17.04.19 # but I would so much rather be able to do it through bash/nautilus/explorer/whatever. 17.04.22 # I really wonder ho wlong apple will look at this and put some obstructions in 17.04.47 # Apple can't ; ) 17.04.47 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 17.04.48 # the tag database thing doesn't seem to be working on my h120 :( 17.05.05 # if I connect ipod into ubuntu it'll launch rhythmbox, but equally well you can run nautilus 17.05.09 # anybody know why? when i force the update the hd light stays om for a bit then stops 17.05.13 # hey 17.05.17 # on* 17.05.23 # Salut mirak ! 17.05.31 # the H300 pad can't do up and left at the same time on doom ? 17.06.12 # mirak: maybe like h1xx you can't press simulatenly 2 buttons, just guessing 17.06.24 # Ah, the wonderful world of C. It's been a long time since I've done see, I've been spoiled by python 17.06.28 # hardware limitations 17.06.35 # see -> C. Wow, it's early 17.07.04 # Moos: well you can press mode plus the another key 17.07.16 # but for the directional pad seems no feasible :/ 17.07.21 # punkrockguy318: too bad, I've been doing ruby for years (and now rails too), going back to low level language is like.. torture 17.07.35 # Ave: yeah, really :( 17.07.44 # (mirak: c'est ce que je voulais dire) 17.07.51 # the housekeeping really hurts and every stupid trivial thing you get for free 17.08.23 # does anybody know why i cant browse by id3 tags? i forced the tag update but nothing shows up when i vew in the database mode thing 17.08.26 # mooch: ah 17.08.50 # on the pad canot press 2 keys same time 17.08.56 # in h1xx that is 17.09.07 # spitball: did you restart? 17.09.10 # mirak: Francais? J'adore la glace bleu! Salut :) 17.09.52 # Russss: I had a patch to spit out a plain text log for scrobbler - I'll see what I can come up with 17.09.59 # cool 17.10.56 Quit sayocean (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.11.01 # mirak: still on the video front? :P 17.11.27 # Moos: well after seeing doom running quiet smoothly on the screen, I am interested to have video again 17.11.29 # I'm reading over the developer FAQ and I'm a little unclear, can I use just gcc 4.0.2 to compile for the ipod? 17.11.40 # mirak: hehe : ) 17.11.45 # obo, we're working directly with some player manufacturers to integrate this into their players, so it should be pretty cool 17.12.05 # Russss: excellent :) 17.12.11 # Moos: also after seeing video on the gmini archos 17.12.13 # mirak: IIRC austriancoder begun something with libtheora: did you checked? 17.12.18 # : ) 17.12.22 # Russss: how will it handle devices without a RTC? 17.12.31 Quit bluebrother ("reboot ...") 17.12.32 # Russss: So would rockbox be the default firmware on these players? 17.12.37 # Moos: no, but theora is probably very consumming also 17.12.54 # yep, ogg... :( 17.13.21 # Russss: ah, just read on a bit further 17.13.30 # everything is optional 17.13.51 # I dunno exactly what we'll do with non-timed entries, because our system depends on timestamps for everything 17.14.01 # mirak: did you perform stats yet for see which one will bes the faster...? 17.14.11 Part mooch ("reboot") 17.14.25 # punkrockguy318, nah, it's just a standard log format for playing data reporting 17.14.39 # uh there was one mooch? : ) 17.14.56 # Russss: other problem is that rockbox doesn't have a mktime() function - but can provide a tm struct.... 17.14.58 # mmm, is there a tune2fs for fat32 which I can use to change the volume label? 17.15.10 # Moos: no 17.15.20 # mirak: pm for french ;) 17.15.29 # Moos: in thoery it's mpeg4 > mpeg2 > mpeg1 17.15.38 # k 17.16.18 # punkrockguy318: I used gcc 4.0.2 just as the doc instructed, no problems 17.16.29 # punkrockguy318: but it must be an arm cross compiler 17.16.35 # hmm, interesting point 17.16.39 # Ave: alright 17.16.48 # debian atleast doesnt ship cross compilers so I had to compile it (and binutils) 17.16.54 # I guess the players don't know what time zone they're in. 17.17.06 # nope, no way to tell 17.17.12 # Ave: i wonder if 4.0.3 would be alright 17.17.38 # plus... irivers have a conflict issue with the origional firmware - the year can be out... 17.18.19 # punkrockguy318: sorry, no idea 17.18.20 # I guess we need a flag which logs whether it's a proper GMT timestamp or local time 17.18.33 # Ave: i'll play it safe and go with 4.0.2 17.18.33 # however I did use the latest available binutils! 17.18.37 # then we have to convert using the time zone on the synchronising computer and hope for the best 17.19.11 # yup, but might have to rely on the end user to set that correctly in the firmware options? 17.20.08 # well that assumes that the timezone on the synchronising PC is the same as the timezone on the device, which is probably logical 17.21.29 # should be in most cases 17.21.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.21.44 # Is this going to be added to the new beta client then? 17.21.58 # yeah 17.22.17 # at some point 17.28.17 # hi 17.29.00 # I've made a replacement tetris plugin that handles multiplayer on players with 2 screens 17.29.10 # i think it was album art that screwed up the tagcache thing 17.29.24 # <_FireFly_> hi TiMiD :) 17.29.33 # is this considered as a new feature ? 17.29.42 # should I commit it ? 17.29.58 # hi _FireFly_ 17.30.02 # long time no see 17.30.06 # <_FireFly_> jupp 17.30.09 # TiMiD: give a link before, for ones wanted to see 17.30.32 # oh 17.30.35 # patch 17.30.47 # too lazy to make a patch 17.30.58 # :) 17.31.00 # mor the sources maybe :p 17.31.02 # or 17.31.13 # I've a build for iriver 17.31.28 # is linuxstb around by any chance? : ) 17.31.47 # http://timidzone.free.fr/pub/capture_tetris3.png 17.31.56 # here is a screenshot 17.32.23 # http://timidzone.free.fr/pub/rockbox/rockbox.zip 17.32.43 # grr... i guess the simulator runs on linux but not BSD? 17.32.59 # that gray background isn't very good a choice on target 17.33.11 # yes I changedit to white 17.33.17 # that's an old screenshot 17.33.31 # great :) 17.33.39 Join actionshrimp [0] (n=nn@host86-133-114-140.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 17.33.49 # I tested it on iriver and it is great for me 17.34.10 # can I trick the rockbox configure script into thinking I'm running linux? 17.34.13 # I had this project since a long time but I decided to finish it 17.34.23 # 2 plyaers, can play on remote.... 17.34.27 # yes 17.34.36 # piroko: probably. 17.34.44 # or one player on remote if you dont wanna use themain unit 17.34.51 # because I have X installed with sdl and everything. it should run just fine 17.35.07 # piroko: it's probably just a uname check 17.35.14 # probabl\y 17.35.45 # piroko: hmm. looks like there should be handling for FreeBSD 17.35.48 # which BSD is it? 17.36.10 # TiMiD: not luck, it seems no core dev around 17.36.10 # os x. i think it's based off netbsd or something 17.36.51 # hrm, that should already have been working. curious 17.36.53 # anyway, run "uname" at the prompt 17.36.57 # what's it spit out? 17.37.04 # Darwin 17.37.20 # change bsd to Darwin in configure? 17.37.28 # just to make it work? 17.37.32 Join ABondar [0] (i=alexande@Oe170.o.pppool.de) 17.37.36 # <_FireFly_> you could try 17.37.43 # maybe not, that entry doesn't have support for the SDL config yet 17.38.03 # <_FireFly_> nad if it works then we could add it as an additional target for the sim 17.38.04 # i'll try linux then 17.38.06 # hello. can someone tell me how to get an plugin compiled? 17.38.15 Nick ABondar is now known as ABondar_de (i=alexande@Oe170.o.pppool.de) 17.39.10 Join |Unknown| [0] (i=pinchas@216-145-235-26.rev.dls.net) 17.39.15 # <|Unknown|> hey 17.39.33 # for example blackjack 17.40.05 # <|Unknown|> when I hold the menu key whats suppose to happen? 17.40.35 # it even cannot find the source files... but htey were here some weeks ago 17.40.42 # :( 17.40.48 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `sys/vfs.h', needed by `/Users/jeremy/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build/comsim/io.o'. Stop. 17.40.51 # make[1]: *** No rule to make target `sys/vfs.h', needed by `/Users/jeremy/Desktop/rockbox-bleeding/build/comsim/io.o'. Stop. 17.40.53 Join carini_ [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 17.40.56 # gah. sorry for the double 17.41.34 # <|Unknown|> when I hold the menu key whats suppose to happen? 17.41.47 # that's provided as part of the C development headers 17.42.05 # hmm... maybe darwinports or fink has them 17.43.16 # When compiling my cross compiler, I got the error that i have no termcap library. What is that? 17.43.19 Quit carini (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 17.43.30 Nick carini_ is now known as carini (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 17.44.17 # anyone? 17.44.52 # punkrockguy318: what operating system are you running? 17.44.59 # piroko: Ubuntu linux 17.45.25 Quit ashridah ("sleep.") 17.45.30 # punkrockguy318: try sudo apt-get install libtermcap? 17.45.47 # or whatever package manager ubuntu uses nowadays. 17.46.09 # <|Unknown|> how do I play music on rockbox? 17.46.16 # :-\ I can't find it.. oh well, I don't use gdb that much anyway 17.46.31 # I asked in #ubuntu but they are generally helpless :) 17.47.10 # Slasheri: are there separate malloc buffers for the voice codec and the audio codec? It looks like there's just one, or is the malloc buffer not used in normal decoding and only in wav writing? 17.47.26 Quit Genre9mp3 () 17.47.45 # Most of the codecs use the malloc buffer. Is that not being swapped for voice? 17.48.18 Quit piroko ("telinit 0") 17.48.37 # linuxstb_: would a new plugin be considered as a new feature ? :D 17.48.45 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.49.07 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 17.49.08 # Is that your tetris plugin? We already have two... 17.49.11 # TiMiD: isn't one upgrade of the new one? 17.49.17 # hehe : ) 17.49.31 # lostlogic: i think the malloc buffer is not used by the mpa codec 17.49.32 # linuxstb_: doesn't look like it... 17.49.40 # so it shouldn't be a problem 17.49.44 # yes we have two but this one is better ^^ 17.49.48 # linuxstb: 1 for replace the 2 currents? 17.49.53 # Slasheri: so if we allow other codecs for voice then we have a problem 17.49.56 # It is - grep for malloc in libmad/ 17.49.58 # lostlogic: yes 17.50.10 # at least vorbis needs that buffer 17.50.32 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 17.50.36 # We can probably get rid of malloc for most of the codecs quite easily. But Vorbis and AAC will be a lot of work. 17.50.57 # well I'll leave it as is, 1 malloc buffer for now, snice MPA doesn't use it. 17.50.59 # grand idea, someone needs to write a sudoku plugin.. 17.51.22 # unless linuxstb_ is right and it does, *looks deeper* 17.51.25 # Ave: we have already a sudoku plugin... 17.51.30 # lostlogic: It _IS_ being used for libmad. 17.51.34 # grand idea, I need to open my eyes 17.51.37 Join webguest56 [0] (n=51e2f433@labb.contactor.se) 17.51.58 Quit webguest56 (Client Quit) 17.52.02 # any plugin developer here? 17.52.09 # linuxstb_: well damn, ok ok ok, I'll either fix libmad, or make 2 malloc buffers for safety since I'm about to reorganize the thing a little bit for linked tracks any way. 17.52.14 # Or at least, malloc is in the code. I may be mistaken, and it's in an unused code path. 17.53.36 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 17.53.43 # I wonder if I could use the binary compiler supplied with ipl 17.54.29 Part ABondar_de 17.54.49 # It seems there is one small buffer malloc'd - in layer3.c:mad_layer_III(). It's about 2500 bytes and a fixed size. Plus one calloc, which is even smaller. 17.57.07 # linuxstb_: yep that's what I'm seeing, but what I'm not sure of is if there need to be 2 of those 2500 byte buffers and it references the previous one in the next frame before freeing it 17.59.11 # I don't see that. But I'm sure it will quickly complain if it does need two of them. 17.59.38 # linuxstb_: :-P I'm preetty sure it does -- seems to use the data from two frames in that function, still reading code. 17.59.45 # linuxstb_: also there's a malloc in decoder.c 18.00.32 # lostlogic: i just made a rough estimate that using non-contiguous playback buffer with chunksize (cs) = 128k, buffer size (bs) = 28M, guard buffer (gb) = 8k, the worst estimated performance loss would be 6%. And with 256k chunksize 3% 100-bs*100/(bs/cs*gs+bs) 18.00.49 # so that would be a minor hit for the performance 18.00.58 # The one in decoder.c is inside ifdef USE_ASYNC - which isn't defined in our build. 18.01.30 # ah 18.02.33 # I can't see anywhere where the pointer stream->main_data is changed. 18.03.17 # i.e. it always seems to point to that single 2500 byte buffer. 18.03.44 # Slasheri: I have no idea where you got that forumula, but 3% performance hit in order to avoid restarting playback once in a long while doesn't seem reasonable, especially with the code complexity cost that will also result. 18.04.02 # linuxstb_: yous eem to understand the code better than me, I've never looked at libmad until this second. 18.04.24 # Not really. But I'm confident enough to say to try just giving it a single buffer. 18.04.28 Quit spitball ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.04.34 # If you want, I can have a go now to remove the mallocs 18.04.49 # linuxstb_: sounds great, would save me hassle if it works. 18.05.03 # s/if/when/ 18.05.15 # I'll have a go now then. Happy to relieve a burden from you... 18.05.27 # where can i find a reference for ColdFire assembly? 18.05.42 # Gena: the programmers reference manual is linked from the wiki 18.06.14 # Gena: it's available on motorola/freescale's site. 18.07.03 # Hmm I was compiling the rockbock source and I got this error:/usr/local/crosscompilers/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: address 0x2000048 of /home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM 18.07.03 # collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make[3]: *** [/home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf] Error 1 make[2]: *** [doom] Error 2 18.08.04 # lostlogic: thanks, found it 18.08.53 # anyone else have an ideas? I'm compiling for the ipod video with gcc 4.0.2 18.09.28 # lostlogic: hmm, maybe. but then for example codecs too could have a better memory allocation if needed by any codec, and no need to reserve any malloc buffers 18.10.22 # lostlogic: It seems the malloc has already been disabled - stream.main_data is initialised to a static buffer in mpa, in a custom init_mad() function. 18.10.39 # linuxstb: so Slasheri was indeed correct, yayz! 18.10.55 # Similarly for the calloc. 18.11.12 # Slasheri: I think the better strategy is to manually remove the mallocs from codecs as has apparently already been done for mad. 18.11.16 # So yes, Slasheri was right :) 18.11.24 Quit marevalo ("Abandonando") 18.11.50 # yeah, i had made sure of that a long time ago before implementing the swcodec voice codec support :) 18.12.28 # I was wondering how voice could have worked at all.... 18.13.09 # hehe, yeah 18.13.18 # I agree with lostlogic, that we the aim should be to make all the codecs malloc-free. But Tremor and faad don't make that easy. 18.14.56 # Can anyone compile today's cvs for ipodvideo? I'm getting an error... This is my first attempt at compilation, and I don't know if it's just me or if it's broken. 18.15.08 # Slasheri: any thoughts on making voice support more reliable on swcodec? 18.15.24 # punkrockguy318: If the build table says it's OK, then it's OK - http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 18.15.33 # What's the error? 18.15.41 # /usr/local/crosscompilers/bin/../lib/gcc/arm-elf/4.0.2/../../../../arm-elf/bin/ld: address 0x2000048 of /home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM 18.16.12 # Have you applied any patches to the source? Specifically Doom? 18.16.23 Join spitball [0] (n=d31ea12a@labb.contactor.se) 18.16.40 # linuxstb nope, just vanilla cvs from today 18.17.41 # Something has gone badly wrong - Doom shouldn't be anywhere near address 0x20000048. Try deleting your build directory, and start again. 18.17.53 # lostlogic: nope, feel free to invent some new ideas in that area ;) 18.18.22 # linuxstb i'll give it another shot 18.18.26 # linuxstb building... 18.18.26 # Slasheri: :( I've got nothing on that yet, I keep hoping that if I simplify the overall playback enough someone else will come up with something brilliant :-P 18.18.51 # * lostlogic decides to move track_info to the buffer now. 18.19.04 # punkrockguy318: Sorry, forget that, I miscounted the zeros. It's not _very_ wrong, but it _is_ wrong. 18.19.51 # lostlogic: it might be better not to do too many changes to the code before the release.. it still has a bunch of problems to be solved 18.21.18 # linuxstb alright.. i'm using gcc 4.0.2 that I just compiled today 18.22.05 # Slasheri: this will solve one of them, and facilitate solving others. What problems do you refer to exactly? 18.22.24 # * amar falls off his chair, Don't swing on chairs kids! 18.22.33 # <_FireFly_> amar: ;) 18.22.59 Quit JazzBone ("Leaving") 18.23.10 # linuxstb I got the same error the third time around :-\ 18.23.12 # The ones in my todo are: back-skipping can desync the WPS, this will be solved by moving the tracks to the buffer. Seeking to the very end causes some weird behavior (haven't investigated enough yet) and Seeking within the end of a track seeks in the next track, having tracks on the buffer will make this a bit easier to deal with. 18.23.16 # address 0x2000048 of /home/lukas/rockbox/build/apps/plugins/doom/doom.elf section .bss is not within region PLUGIN_RAM 18.23.43 # lostlogic: yes, and every big change will introduce more.. but i was referring in general what i had feel lately. Problems when skipping tracks fast, pop/pause when selecting a new track or playback will stop entirely etc. 18.23.47 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 18.24.25 # <_FireFly_> punkrockguy318: have you only the gcc as an cross-compiler or have you also build the binutils for the target 18.25.08 # _FireFly_: I built binutils as well.. 18.25.08 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.26.07 # _FireFly_: Is the makefile sure to use the right binutils? 18.26.08 # Slasheri: if you have bugs in playback with the latest code, please report them on my wiki page or explicitly here as to how to produce them. 18.26.27 # _FireFly_: I have 386 binutils as well installed 18.26.28 # <_FireFly_> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 18.26.54 # lostlogic: i will, as soon as i try the most recent code 18.26.55 # punkrockguy318: The error means that the doom plugin is too large for the 512KB plugin buffer. It is very tight - my gcc (also 4.0.2) only leaves a few hundred bytes free... 18.27.28 # Which version of binutils did you install? (type "arm-elf-as --version") 18.27.34 # Mine is 2.16.1 18.27.41 # 2.16.1 18.28.48 # :( I can't explain the difference then. 18.29.17 # i have a directory called arm-elf/bin... i added that to the path and i'm compiling again 18.30.26 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54967BF1.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.30.35 # <_FireFly_> i have only the bin-dir in my PATH in which are the mk68-* files resists 18.30.38 Quit cacophony ("quit") 18.30.52 # Same error! :( 18.31.21 # <_FireFly_> punkrockguy318: did you follow the CrossCompiler howto on the rockbox wiki ? 18.31.34 # _FireFly_: yes 18.32.04 # i built binutils in the same directory as the source though.. would that make a difference? 18.32.45 # <_FireFly_> maybe you have done something wrong when compiling the binutils and the gcc (e.g. a wrong configure-option) 18.32.58 Quit |Unknown| () 18.33.25 # ../gcc-4.0.2/configure --target=arm-elf --prefix=/usr/local/crosscompilers/ --enable-languages=c 18.33.39 # <_FireFly_> punkrockguy318: have you done this step before compiling gcc? : /home/linus> export PATH=/home/linus/sh1/bin:$PATH 18.33.59 # no 18.34.20 # perhaps that's it 18.34.24 # <_FireFly_> to add the path of the compiled binutils to the path before configuring/compiling the gcc 18.34.26 # <_FireFly_> ;) 18.34.37 # <_FireFly_> so gcc was compiled against the wrong binutils 18.34.51 # ah! your a lifesaver! 18.34.59 # thanks everyone for your help! i love the friendly community! :) 18.35.12 # <_FireFly_> remember to adjust the path to your setup for the export ;) 18.35.25 # <_FireFly_> punkrockguy318: np, 18.35.43 # thanks! well i'm going to go mow lawns, but when i come back i'll be hacking away :) 18.36.26 # <_FireFly_> punkrockguy318: next time read the howto carefully :) 18.36.56 # i didn't even see that :( 18.37.27 Join mason [0] (n=Mason@client-86-27-58-150.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) 18.37.48 # i find that the belt thingy on the back of the h120 case is a nice place to keep a toothpick 18.37.53 Join Burma [0] (n=burma@81.177.8.165) 18.38.05 # * Burma ñëóøàåò -> 2pac - The Next Episode (feat. DMX) <- 18.38.19 # rap style my live 18.39.21 # yo yo 18.40.04 # yea brother's 18.40.23 # do you speac russian" 18.40.24 # ? 18.41.43 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.41.53 # да 18.42.16 # ° 18.42.39 # тишь 18.42.50 Quit spitball ("CGI:IRC") 18.44.21 # woops 18.44.24 Join spitball [0] (n=d31ea12a@labb.contactor.se) 18.44.38 Part Burma 18.47.47 Quit Rob2222 () 18.48.26 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@AC9E8AE5.ipt.aol.com) 18.51.27 Join matju [0] (n=matju@70.55.149.197) 18.52.41 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 18.54.08 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 18.54.32 Part matju ("Leaving") 18.57.02 # i think instead of having songs with no album tags in an folder they should just be all together in the artist folder 19.02.07 # fine :( 19.02.20 # i'll figure out how to do it myself 19.02.23 # somehow 19.03.19 # hmm, i just got an idea that it might be possible to use the allocated dircache buffer to commit tagcache and after that load the dircache.. everything in background :) 19.03.39 # and dircache buffer _should_ be large enough always for that 19.04.24 # however, if it's not, then the tagcache would be lost 19.07.35 Quit sando (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.08.30 # keep up the good work 19.08.36 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fcc60.f.strato-dslnet.de) 19.08.40 # heh 19.20.00 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-62-56-22-10.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 19.21.12 Quit spitball ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.21.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.23.15 Join rdz [0] (i=roman@netpd.org) 19.24.17 Part rdz ("Leaving") 19.24.44 Quit Regor (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.25.36 Quit SereR0KR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.28.24 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.28.49 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 19.30.46 Join mooch [0] (n=TheCurio@a80-186-228-34.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 19.30.49 # argh! 19.30.55 # do I really need fat32 19.30.56 # ? 19.31.05 # in my ipod video... 19.31.08 # <_FireFly_> japp 19.31.22 # frack 19.33.57 # how can i turn it into a fat32 with a mac? 19.38.01 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 19.39.19 Quit wefds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.39.57 # <_FireFly_> here is a howto for it: http://www.appleswitcher.com/viewtopic.php?t=12670 19.40.40 # <_FireFly_> you have at least reformat the drive so make a backup of your music-files on the ipod 19.41.00 # <_FireFly_> before doing the filesystem change 19.43.57 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 19.44.05 Quit mason ("Leaving") 19.46.10 Quit Rob2222|Laptop ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.47.57 # is there any plans to add support for hfs+ ? 19.48.20 # I think not 19.48.34 # and btw, all new ipods ship with fat32, no thfs 19.49.14 # Ave: my video has hfs+, even journaled 19.49.56 # well thats great? 19.50.10 # ipodlinux supports hfs+ afaicr 19.50.53 # dunno, but i try to stay as fas as possible from fat32 19.51.02 # dont want to touch it even with a 10 meter pole... 19.51.49 # the only reason i want rockbox is vorbis, and if that means fat32, i have to rethink it... 19.52.26 # I think I saw something abou tthe issue in the wiki but can't find it anymore 19.55.50 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 19.57.02 # mooch: People add whatever features they want to Rockbox - so when someone who can code it wants HFS+ support, it will happen. 19.59.17 # looks good, soon tagcache will be committed in background.. more reasons to enable the dircache :) 20.00.06 # linuxstb_: sure... 20.00.30 # linuxstb_: i am not new in FOSS 20.00.39 # i was just wondering... ;) 20.02.52 # whats the benefit of tag cache? 20.03.24 # Ave: it makes it possible to browse songs by tags instead of the directory structure 20.03.58 # ahhh stupid of me 20.05.11 Quit poolnoodl ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.07.03 Quit amar (Remote closed the connection) 20.15.31 Join Regor [0] (n=Regor@66-81-37-86.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 20.21.42 # huh, i think now i have the most horrible bootup sequence designed for dircache & tagcache (when tagcache is to be loaded in ram also): 20.23.12 # Foreground: Allocate dircache, Allocate tagcache. Background: Steal dircache buffer & commit tagcache, Load dircache, Load tagcache, Update tagcache. As necessary: Reverse generate tagcache (deleted files), Steal dircache buffer, Commit tagcache, Reload tagcache, Reload dircache 20.24.53 Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) 20.27.20 Join b00st4 [0] (n=glamsen@ppp-82-135-88-159.mnet-online.de) 20.27.30 # obo, ur there? 20.29.14 # urfhg 20.29.50 # crwl :) 20.30.14 # :) 20.30.19 # lol 20.31.01 # booo 20.33.13 # b00st4: yup 20.33.40 # aight, any clue if ipoduplug patch works on new cvs? 20.33.52 # nope, but I've got a newer patch here... 20.34.11 # u fixed the bug? 20.35.16 # yeah - it's still not as it should be, but it works 20.35.42 # thats the most important thing ;) 20.35.50 # can u post it? 20.35.57 # ill try if it compiles 20.36.40 # b00st4: http://pastebin.com/661883 20.37.19 # thx 20.37.50 Quit MrBIOS-slabby (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.38.18 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.39.07 # hmm, if i paste that, it doesnt work 20.39.37 # patch unexpectedly ends in the middle of the line... 20.39.45 # hang on.. 20.40.38 # k 20.41.08 # i can't get doom to gork, i put rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad to /games/doom/ and plugins says that it can't find database wads 20.41.56 # any great ideas? :) 20.43.09 # obo, do i have to copy this text into the patch directly? and remove the current text? 20.43.28 # yes - or paste it into a new file, and patch that in. 20.43.39 # it needs to be applied into a clean, uptodate source tree 20.43.54 # one hunk with have a fuzz warning, rest is clean (was in a hurry :) ) 20.44.10 # jap, i just got the new cvs 20.44.58 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (i=Steve-O@adsl-64-123-190-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 20.45.25 # hm, doesnt work 20.45.32 # stil same fault 20.45.45 # doesnt seem to be in right format 20.46.03 Quit infamis ("off to reverse-engineering rockbox :)") 20.46.05 # you're using patch -p0 < file ?? 20.46.12 # jp 20.46.17 Quit BHSPitLappy (Nick collision from services.) 20.46.31 # it says only garbage was found in patch input 20.46.43 # maybe u can send me a prpoer version? 20.47.15 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.47.28 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.49.47 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 20.51.27 # b00st4: getting the dcc? 20.51.37 # bye all 20.51.40 Quit Jungti1234 () 20.52.49 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.53.30 # nah 20.53.33 # failed 20.53.47 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 20.53.52 # pls retry 20.53.58 # or post it to flyspray 20.54.10 Join Regor_ [0] (n=Regor@66-81-38-173.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 20.54.33 # sent again - I don't want to post it if you're having problems..... 20.55.35 # but maybe also other peoples wanna apply that patch 20.55.48 # and the version on flyspray is very old 20.57.57 # it says unable to connect 20.58.07 # do i have to register, to receive files? 20.59.49 # pass... 20.59.57 # no, you don't 21.00.07 # hah, was just listening to music with xmms and heard a bad track transition... was about to start looking for the bug in my swcodec playback code... of course that doesn' tmake any sense. 21.00.12 # it's obo's computer sending out the wrong IP, or the port his computer is sending is firewalled 21.00.14 # or both 21.00.52 # lostlogic: That's dedication :> 21.01.18 # yeah, bit of a IRC noob here... flyspray updated :) 21.01.21 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.02.57 # nah, i normally dont got probs with irc, lol 21.03.24 # obo: it can be fixed, but needs work 21.04.49 Join speacial_ed [0] (n=chatzill@00095b0ec047.click-network.com) 21.09.01 # b00st4: that version applying okay for you? 21.10.06 # jap, thx 21.12.18 # im out...thx dudes 21.12.33 # cya 21.13.08 Quit Regor (No route to host) 21.14.47 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 21.18.20 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.18.24 Part ep0ch ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 21.18.45 Join Febs [0] (n=medifebb@207-172-122-81.c3-0.rdl-ubr4.trpr-rdl.pa.cable.rcn.com) 21.20.39 # linuxstb_: I'm trying to get the headphone socket to generate an event when it changes state 21.21.35 # I've tried changing the interupt code in button.c at line 638 onwards... but has no effect 21.21.38 # any ideas? 21.21.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.23.59 # this is seriously creepy. xmms is having bugs like those I've had in playback recently, it's trying to fuck with me. 21.24.25 # try something else 21.24.57 # what about amaroK, it's cool 'n all - and has some very interesting bugs on its own 21.26.10 # lostlogic: paranoia? ;) 21.26.43 # maybe the glitches you hear are *in* the songs you listen to? 21.27.15 Quit RedBreva ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 21.34.43 # any m68k/coldfire asm person around? 21.36.02 # I'm wondering why, when writing to a device mapped at certain mem location, this is used: move.w 0xA(a6), (a5) 21.37.05 # this is writing the contens of A6 + 0xA to the mem location contained in A5, right? 21.38.25 Join Regor__ [0] (n=Regor@66-81-36-53.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 21.42.25 Quit speacial_ed ("Bye") 21.44.13 # hmmm... must be saturday night :( 21.46.30 Join ABondar_de [0] (i=alexande@Odd30.o.pppool.de) 21.48.35 # is somebody here who wants to help me add some usefull (for me at least) futures to the key press handlings? 21.51.32 # nobody? 21.52.01 # only bots here... 21.52.42 # petur: yes, I am beginning to think that some of the glitches I was hearing in my playback code were in my songs instead :( 21.53.29 # lostlogic: any progress on the WPS-out-of-sync? 21.54.47 # bah... where's Linus when you need him :\ 21.56.03 Quit Regor_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.56.17 # petur: I'm currently switching to metadata-on-buffer, which will completely screw the world for at least the wekend (I'll try not to commit until after that state). 21.56.47 # yeah, do try not to commit if it's broken ;) 21.57.30 # petur: do you have some time? 21.57.46 # for? 21.58.52 # petur: to tell me where settings get saved, how to access, change and add them. :) 21.59.01 # in the code? 21.59.13 # yes 21.59.22 Join webguest54 [0] (n=5899f779@labb.contactor.se) 21.59.32 # is there a giid wiki page for that kind of stuf? 21.59.36 # apps/settings.c 22.00.35 # ok, line 315: "backlight filters first keypress", off_on }, 22.01.10 # settings used to be documented I think, maybe there's something in the wiki, but probably not up to date at all 22.01.51 # tell me what you're trying to do... 22.01.58 # how do i add new setting after "first key press..." 22.02.15 # I want to add event handling for each button 22.02.15 # new setting? 22.02.18 # yes 22.02.43 Quit webguest54 (Client Quit) 22.02.44 # you mean different handling dependant on the key? 22.02.45 # 1st key press -> NAVI, 1st key press -> PLAY etc 22.02.49 Quit Regor__ (No route to host) 22.02.51 # yes 22.04.04 # to set for example only REC button to turn the light on 22.04.37 # enable/disable 'eat first keypress' for each key as a setting or give more options in that one setting that's there now? 22.04.59 # so: change the setting to multi-option or add more settings? 22.05.23 # add more settings 22.06.38 # well, then you need to add entries at the back of the settings list and struct (copy paste an existing one) 22.06.50 # Does anyone know why rockbox doesn't have an _exit implementation for plugins? 22.07.29 # is it a philosophical reason? 22.07.35 # in apps/settings.c ? 22.08.09 # ABondar: yes 22.08.30 # and settings.h of course 22.09.43 # copy paste an existing setting everywhere you find it ;) 22.10.33 # #ifdef CONFIG_BACKLIGHT 22.10.33 # bool bl_filter_first_keypress; /* filter first keypress when dark? */ 22.10.33 # #ifdef HAVE_REMOTE_LCD 22.10.33 DBUG Enqueued KICK ABondar_de 22.10.33 # bool remote_bl_filter_first_keypress; /* filter first remote keypress when remote dark? */ 22.10.33 # #endif 22.10.54 # also does anyone know how to read the contents of the pc in coldfire asm; I'm looking through the asm docs and it doesn't look like you can.. 22.12.13 # but i need something like bool bl_filter_first_keypress_play; ..._navi ... _rec 22.12.25 # or should F1, F2 be used? 22.14.00 # ABondar: all settings are accessed through the settings struct which gets filled when settings are read from disk 22.14.15 # so you need to put them also in there 22.15.08 # but how? bl_filter_first_keypress_navi or bl_filter_first_keypress_f1 ? 22.15.49 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 22.16.43 Join cyberjb [0] (n=cyberjb@68-233-54-199.atlsfl.adelphia.net) 22.17.00 # anyone have any screen shots of the rockbox on ipod?? 22.19.00 # cyberjb: look for the wps galeries in the wiki 22.19.38 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.20.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 22.20.51 # I'm personally always tempted to respond "If you feel you need screenshots, you're probably not the target audience." 22.21.19 # ABondar: are you asking me to solve all your programming issues? :P 22.21.55 # maybe ;) 22.22.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: maybe, but I'm also a visual type guy, I always look for screenshots as a hint for usability (not fancy stuff) 22.22.35 # I try to understand which button ist meant with ..._MODE and ..._ON (on h300) 22.23.11 # petur: I suppose, but *most* people who ask for screenshots demonstrated they aren't doing it for Usability's sake now, because the Manual has plenty of usability demonstrating screenshots, and that's where you'd check usability anyway. :-P 22.23.20 # but there are still many problems for usability of rockbox... (menu) 22.25.35 # ABondar_de: I'd suggest you convert the current setting (first keypress) to one that takes multiple values (any first key, first NAV key,...) 22.25.56 # but indeed check what keys exist on all targets 22.26.21 # so NAVI is a bad example 22.26.21 Join _jim_fear [0] (n=noway@ool-44c515a9.dyn.optonline.net) 22.26.46 # <_jim_fear> whats up party people 22.27.16 # #define SETTINGS_INC BUTTON_UP up 22.27.16 # #define SETTINGS_DEC BUTTON_DOWN down 22.27.16 # #define SETTINGS_OK BUTTON_SELECT play? 22.27.16 # #define SETTINGS_OK2 BUTTON_LEFT ? 22.27.16 # #define SETTINGS_CANCEL BUTTON_OFF stop 22.27.17 *** Alert Mode level 1 22.27.17 # #define SETTINGS_CANCEL2 BUTTON_MODE a-b? 22.27.19 # #define SETTINGS_PREV BUTTON_LEFT rew 22.27.21 # #define SETTINGS_NEXT BUTTON_RIGHT ff 22.27.23 # #define SETTINGS_ACCEPT BUTTON_ON navi? 22.27.26 Part Paul_The_Nerd 22.27.59 # <_jim_fear> ok then 22.28.33 # <_jim_fear> anyone here have a iRiver H3xx with this rockbox firmware? 22.28.44 # _jim_fear: yes 22.28.50 # <_jim_fear> awesome 22.28.54 # <_jim_fear> can i ask u a few questions? 22.28.58 # <_jim_fear> im a little skeptical 22.29.30 # _jim_fear: what do you want to know? 22.29.33 # <_jim_fear> first i read somewhere on the page but dont know if it applies to the iriver or not, can u que up songs? 22.30.22 # <_jim_fear> thats the main feature I wish my iriver had 22.30.38 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-32-232.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.30.41 # what meens "que up songs"? (not native speaker and vocanulary is cery slow ;) ) 22.31.02 # he means queue 22.31.18 # <_jim_fear> thats okay, i understand, basically to have another song from another album ready to play after the one that is playing 22.31.30 # <_jim_fear> its like a playlist on dynamic, i dont have to make a .pls or whatever first and send it over 22.31.48 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 22.31.48 # * petur returns 22.32.09 # _jim_fear: yes, you can add any song to a playlist 22.32.19 # <_jim_fear> on the iriver itself? 22.32.43 # yes 22.32.49 # where else??? 22.32.54 # <_jim_fear> okay that means its worth it lol 22.32.59 # <_jim_fear> ABondar_de: on the computer 22.33.00 # <_jim_fear> =) 22.33.02 # isn't it OTF-playlist? 22.33.10 # it's more than worth it ;) 22.33.38 # does anybody know how the original fw looks like? ;) 22.33.52 # do check the manual for what RB can and can't do for you... 22.33.55 # <_jim_fear> petur: like i said idonno im a computer tech and im a little skeptical about it 22.34.02 # <_jim_fear> i did read it 22.34.08 # <_jim_fear> it was a little confusing but i think i get the gist 22.34.14 # <_jim_fear> do you have a H3xx petur 22.34.17 # yes 22.34.30 # <_jim_fear> you think its worth it too then huh 22.34.36 # sure 22.35.01 # you can even browse your dynamic playlist to skip some songs 22.35.14 # and shufle them 22.35.41 # and save the changed playlists everywhere you want 22.37.18 *** Alert Mode OFF 22.37.50 # petur: what is SETTINGS_NEXT BUTTON_RIGHT? 22.38.08 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=Steve-O@adsl-64-123-190-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.38.16 # ABondar_de: now you're looking at the wrong stuff ;) 22.38.35 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 22.38.48 # that's how the navigation in the settings menu is attached to buttons of the platform 22.39.04 # petur: but I want to know settings of which button this are... 22.39.21 Quit norlatch ("‹‹UPP››") 22.39.34 # If you're looking for the actual button handling (and keypress eating), it is elsewhere (don't know exactly myself) 22.39.48 # ther's no such thing as the setting of a button 22.40.09 # (this are the things i want to add) 22.40.27 # a button of a target device is 'mapped' to a certain functionality 22.40.45 # ok 22.41.24 # hmm... I wonder if metadata-on-buffer will end up being more or less code than metadata on ringbuffer. It looks like its going to be a close race. 22.41.32 # have a look at the CVS history when the 'first keypress...' was added, then you'l know where to hack it 22.41.41 # petur: I'll try to change it now only for up and left, so i cannot do anything wrong 22.41.46 # petur: ok 22.45.34 # I really should go looking for a good book on m68k/coldfire asm :( 22.46.38 # <_jim_fear> what do i use iriver's firmware upgrade tool to upload the rockbox firmware? 22.47.14 # petur: 8 different files... :) 22.48.05 Join angelashes [0] (n=angelash@64-136-201-141-dhcp-kc.everestkc.net) 22.48.25 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 22.48.42 # _iim_fear: you must first patch an original iriver firmware with the fwpatcher, then use the iriver flash tool to flash that 22.49.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 22.50.31 # put fwpatcher and the original firmware in the same folder and run fwpatcher, then flash that 22.51.13 # and don't forget to unzip rockbox itself to your h340 (a bleeding (cvs) build is recommended) 22.51.14 Join uski_ [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-23-82-248-112-86.adsl.proxad.net) 22.51.17 # m0o 22.51.24 # moo? 22.51.30 # Bagder? 22.51.34 Nick uski_ is now known as uski (n=uski@lns-bzn-23-82-248-112-86.adsl.proxad.net) 22.51.47 # petur: i just like to say "moo" when I come here 22.51.55 # there's no particular reason for that : 22.51.56 # ) 22.52.01 # is there something qwrong with rockbox and the ipod g battery because i just charged my ipod for 9 hours and it says i have only 85%? 22.52.04 # Bagder Bagder Bagder Bagder mushroom! mushroom! 22.52.11 # loooool BHSPitLappy 22.52.34 # angelashes: heh, I've never heard of the "ipod g" 22.52.44 # those g's usually have a number in front of them 22.52.51 # 5 22.52.56 # sorry i missed the the 5 22.53.15 # angelashes: is the battery reader any more accurate in RetailOS? :P 22.53.19 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-92-251.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.53.30 # I consider the retailos battery display to be a random color generator 22.53.49 # angelashes: those battery levels are only estimates. Even apple says so 22.53.51 # i never thought of that 22.54.15 # angelashes: using a recent build? 22.54.20 # it's because the batteries they stick in the units vary in capacity so you shouldn't freak out because it says 85% 22.54.32 # also I know the project's been recently tweaking the measurements somewhat 22.54.33 # yeah i know 22.54.46 # after watching my friends 4gs start to die after only 9 months 22.56.26 # petur: either it's too late or I should post a future request :) 22.56.32 # angelashes: ipod battery stuff got updated yesterday for all but the 5g - too bad amiconn isn't around to explain some things 22.56.40 # heh 22.57.03 # yeah i read that in the cvs 22.57.04 # you can always post a request and add your patch later ;) 22.57.05 # How does the battery life of rockbox compare to the battery life when using the retailos on an ipod? 22.57.20 # worse atm I fear 22.57.24 # rockbox estimates 9 hours 22.57.35 # apple usually alsts 13 hours 22.57.40 # not bad 22.57.42 # if i just start my playlist 22.57.54 # i've read apple boasted 30hrs... bah don't believe that for a minute 22.58.08 # the real video ipod or the 5g 22.58.11 Quit SereRokR ("XChat Aqua") 22.58.18 # ? 22.58.38 # ? isn't 5g == video? 22.58.42 # no 22.58.51 # it a ipod with video capabilities 22.59.06 # they are releasing a ipod dedicated to video 22.59.11 # it in widescreen 22.59.20 # and touch screen 22.59.24 # from what i read 22.59.29 # oh hmm 22.59.41 # the concept of using the touchscreen with goopy greasy fingers to watch video with is amusing 23.00.00 # they will ahve to have some plastic that doesn't get grease on it 23.00.06 # but i don't nkow of any plastic that can do that 23.00.25 # yeah 23.00.36 # are there docs for plugin writing? 23.00.54 # to hook it up to the pc 23.00.55 # ? 23.01.13 # no, to write rockbox plugins 23.01.26 # good question i want to know to 23.01.34 # i want to right plugins 23.01.39 # write 23.01.55 # i don't see anything in the wiki, i'm just going to look at some other functions and try to write my own 23.02.08 # punkrockguy318: check the wiki and the helloworld plugin in the source tree 23.02.11 # if you find anything tell me 23.02.17 # petur: thanks :) 23.03.10 # here it is http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/HowtoWritePlugins 23.03.13 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@c211023.adsl.hansenet.de) 23.03.16 # and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginUsability 23.05.42 # i would like to see a way to quick change between file views instead of holding menu then changing it 23.06.47 # formulate your idea and put it on the tracker ;) 23.06.53 # ok 23.07.12 # ah I LOVE good documentation! :) 23.08.15 # how do i make an account 23.08.24 # found it 23.08.43 # * amiconn appears 23.08.44 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 23.08.50 # wheeee 23.08.52 # petur: You wanted to ask me sth? 23.08.58 # yeah 23.09.18 # what are they ddoing here: move.w arg_2(a6), (a5) 23.09.20 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 23.09.43 # is it fetcjhing a var on the stack? 23.09.47 # Wazdat? 23.09.49 # *fetching 23.09.53 # i just got to say what would we do without wiki 23.10.21 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 23.10.48 # Looks like m68k asm, but in symbolic form, and neither exactly gas nor motorola syntax 23.11.01 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 23.11.03 # ida pro output 23.11.14 Quit thouters ("leaving") 23.11.26 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.35 # some lines before it prints this: arg_2 = 0xA 23.11.39 # Iiuc, this would be move.w (arg_2,%a6),(%a5) in motorola syntax. 23.12.02 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 23.12.17 # <_jim_fear> petur: i had the european firmware for the H340 so i could watch videos 23.12.28 # It's just moving a 16 bit word from the memory address (a6 + arg_2) to the memory address a5 23.12.31 # <_jim_fear> should i get the US firmware from the iriver site to make the bootloader? 23.12.46 # no 23.12.52 # are the developers going to put a boot menu in some day like ipl> 23.12.53 # ? 23.13.00 # amiconn: http://pastebin.com/662089 23.13.10 # angelashes: umm, why don't you just use ipl's loader, then? 23.13.36 # That's definitely no stack access, for 2 reasons: (1) stack ptr is a7. (2) stack accesses use predecrement (push) or postincrement (pop) addressing 23.13.42 # because i nearly killed med ipod trying to install ipl 23.14.07 # _iim_fear: take one that's in the list of supported firmwares - could be the one you have now 23.14.11 # angelashes: installing ipl's loader is NO different than installing rockbox's loader 23.14.24 # the -same- process exactly 23.14.30 # <_jim_fear> petur: im sorry if I am being a pain in the butt here, let me know if I am annoying you, im reading the pdf file that comes with it and i see i have to edit a iriver firmware to get this to work properly, i live in the us but it doesnt matter what region firmware i get huh 23.14.34 # ahahaha rotflmao 23.14.44 # <_jim_fear> petur: okay just read that now 23.14.48 # Delaying with a streak of nops.... 23.14.52 # hacked his first WPS... 23.14.55 # well an existing one :) 23.15.28 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 23.15.40 # put fwpatcher and the original firmware in the same folder and run fwpatcher, then flash that 23.15.47 # and don't forget to unzip rockbox itself to your h340 (a bleeding (cvs) build is recommended) 23.16.11 # * petur loves the history buffer of his irc client ;) 23.16.50 # petur: what client do you use? 23.17.00 # nettalk 23.17.15 # amiconn: would this come from a function like this: int read(int reg) ? 23.17.32 # yes 23.17.35 # <_jim_fear> petur: anywhere on the iriver or specifically in the main dir 23.18.05 # rockbox files and folder must be in the root 23.18.11 # And this code is relatively easy to read. It seems it's not very optimised. For some reason it even uses a frame pointer... 23.18.16 # <_jim_fear> roger 23.18.51 # amiconn: any good asm books to recommend? I'm bad at reading this stuff :( 23.19.06 # Line 26 and 27 look like a typical gcc goof.... 23.19.49 # yeah, looks useless 23.20.01 # I have no idea. I used no books for learning any of the asm dialects of our platforms. I have a very old m68k asm book, but that's not really helpful 23.20.17 # There's the coldfire programming manual in the wiki, that's what I use... 23.20.25 # I'm using wikibooks atm ;) 23.20.48 # http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Programming:68K_assembly 23.21.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.22.19 # well, would this asm come from a function like this: int read(int reg) ? 23.22.29 # I'm using just this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/CFPRM.pdf for general coldfire coding and this http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/DataSheets/MCF5249UM.pdf for info about the various modules (timer....) and execution times 23.22.39 # [23:17:41] amiconn: would this come from a function like this: int read(int reg) ? 23.22.39 # [23:17:59] yes 23.22.48 # the horror, sudokuplugin doesnt work with nano! 23.23.06 # it hardly works at all. 23.23.16 # BHSPitLappy: ? 23.23.18 # woops - sorry 23.23.22 # it's buggy, and you easily get caught in its move-legality checks 23.23.24 # handling really long tracks (longer than filebuflen) with metadata stored on buffer is complex. 23.23.26 # Sudoku works great on archos and iriver 23.23.34 # sometimes you can't get to the menu/exit 23.23.51 # lostlogic: In what way? 23.24.12 # I suppose the metadata of the current track is copied to a separate buffer 23.24.15 # well good riddance to that plugin 23.24.42 # if one wants stability, what would be a good date to backtrack on cvs? 23.24.58 # amiconn: well normally, the track that is being written to has its metadata on the buffer so I point to that metadata for write operations, but for a really long track, that data will be overwritten, and I will be writing into only the currently playing track (writing into the currentlly playing which _is_ a track on the buffer is already supported) 23.24.59 # april 3. 23.25.10 # lets see 23.25.27 # I did the show charging state mod in nano config, hope it'll still work 23.25.30 # * petur finds a lot more gcc goofyness 23.26.02 # http://pastebin.com/662118 23.26.04 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-41-208.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.26.04 # lostlogic: Writing to the track? 23.26.13 # I have no idea what you mean... 23.26.40 # amiconn: increasing the counters for how much of the currently being read track's data is on the buffer 23.27.12 # Ah 23.27.19 # Still, I don't see the problem here 23.27.54 # There must be at least one track in the buffer. A nont-yet-started track will have its metadata (and codec) stored in the main buffer 23.28.25 # adds another if to see when the linked-list of metadata on buffer is emtpy, and in that case, writing and readnig are both happening on the same track 23.28.45 # As soon as the track starts playing, the codec is "consumed" and copied into the codec slot. The metadata would just be handled the same way, and copied into the trackinfo slot 23.29.09 # You could still continue updating it there 23.29.37 # what if that track is still being read, but the user then skips back behind it on the buffer, now its on buffer information is not correct. 23.30.11 # skips back behind it? 23.30.39 # amiconn: so there are 3 cases: 1) writing to a track that is not playing: just update the on buffer information 2) writing to a track that is playing, while its metadata is alive on the buffer, update two sets of metadata and 3) writing to a playing track whos metadata has been overwritten, write only to the off-buffer track struct 23.30.53 # amiconn: the playback system supports skipping tracks backward and forward without rebuffering 23.30.54 # I would even think this special metadata slot is not a very special case, it would just be the head of the linked list at all times 23.31.19 # no, the head of the linked list is the first metadata on buffer which may have been played some time ago 23.31.22 # lostlogic: My point is that (2) would never happen 23.31.30 # 2 _happens_. 23.31.34 # Huh? 23.31.47 # * amiconn doesn't get it 23.32.02 # If the data is played, it's played, and invalidated 23.32.08 # the linked list holds the metadata of all tracks currently on the buffer, that linked list may have nodes above and below the playing track. 23.32.17 # this allowes skipping backward in the buffer without rebuffering. 23.32.26 # Ah, that one 23.32.34 # * amiconn didn't think of that 23.32.34 Quit uski (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.32.47 # The hwcodec engine doesn't handle it this way 23.32.56 # it doesn't have enough ram to worry about this kind of case 23.33.01 # Skipping backwards *always* rebuffers. Way simpler. 23.33.37 # so, the result is that the case when there are no track structs on buffer, but we are playing and reading the same track must be handled. 23.34.59 # Well, I still don't see a real problem. Either the metadata of an earlier track is still on the buffer, or it's not. 23.35.15 # In the latter case I would treat the track as non-present, and just rebuffer 23.36.04 # ...execpt if it's the same track as the currently playing one, in which case the metadata is available in the 'metadata slot' 23.36.30 Join wefds [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 23.37.27 Quit angelashes () 23.37.28 Quit SteL ("Konversation terminated!") 23.37.32 # and the number of excepts makes it ... fun (by some definition of fun) 23.38.41 # Well, the question is how much effort we want to put into the skip-back-w/o 23.38.47 # -rebuffer feature 23.39.47 # If we just count a track whose header is overwritten as invalidated, it shouldn't be too complex 23.40.58 # *shrug* it's mostly written already... I'll start testing it tomorrow, and if it really sucks I'll start scope culling, but if it goes well, I'll keep all of the features I have planned. 23.41.34 # I would try to keep the number of exceptions down by all means 23.41.46 # That doesn't necessarily mean to drop features 23.42.12 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.42.21 Join herz42_ [0] (n=herz42@p549FCF4E.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.43.01 # The current method with the metadata array may allow more fine-grained reverse seeking, but otherwise it has many problems 23.44.24 # Also, don't forget that it's currently not possible to seek backwards *into* a previous track. Seeking works within the current track only, in order to get to other tracks you need to skip, and skipping means you need the start of the track 23.45.02 # ...so if you skip back and the start of the previous track (where the metadata would be located) if off-buffer, you need to rebuffer anyway 23.45.21 # s/if off-buffer/is off-buffer/ 23.46.11 # wheeee ... I think I've located (all) the isp1362 read/write functions, let's see what they're doing with them :D 23.46.31 # * petur wants to put Glen Moore on the credits list :P 23.46.49 # even if only 8 years old 23.47.44 # who's that? 23.51.18 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.54.18 # midkay: pure malt ;) 23.55.46 Join mikolas [0] (n=mikolas@a85-156-210-49.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 23.56.05 # petur, ah, i have to be very protective of my (i *think*) spot on the credits list as 'youngest' :) 23.56.23 # heh 23.56.32 # just came by to tell my thanks for sid support! 23.57.13 # this is something i've been wanting for ages for a portable player :-) 23.57.34 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76)