--- Log for 16.04.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 21 days and 6 hours ago 00.01.33 Quit ender` (" I know you think you understand what you thought I said, but I am not sure that what you heard is not what I meant.") 00.03.20 Quit lee-qid_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 00.03.58 # amiconn: care to decipher another one? http://pastebin.com/662182 00.06.18 # * TeaSea is away: I'm busy 00.06.21 # * TeaSea is back (gone 00:00:03) 00.06.33 # * TeaSea is away: I'm busy 00.06.39 # * TeaSea is away: I'm busy 00.06.50 # thanks for sharing that 00.06.51 # * TeaSea is back (gone 00:00:10) 00.06.59 # Sorry 00.07.03 # I pressed a button and my client did something. 00.07.05 # Weird. 00.07.30 # it's not a bug, it's a feature 00.07.49 # petur: I know. 00.07.52 # But I did not know of this feature. 00.08.25 Join emacsen [0] (n=serge@c-69-143-163-228.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 00.09.16 # I have a simple question. I'm looking at Rockbox because I want one simple feature: I want to be able to either be able to delete files after I've played them, or in some other way make them "invisible" 00.09.35 # in other words, make podcasts easier to work with :) 00.09.38 Quit wefds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.11.06 # emacsen, you can currently erase files from your player manually after playing them 00.11.33 # looks like a dangerous feature to add... 00.11.38 Quit carini (Remote closed the connection) 00.11.40 # kkurbjun: do you own a TiVO? 00.12.23 # an at&t one, I don't use it though, why? 00.12.35 # petur: That looks just like a cumbersome call-through function 00.12.46 # kkurbjun: after you finish watching a show, it asks you "Should I delete this? Y/N" 00.12.51 # <_jim_fear> hahah im retarded, i thought the voice feature for the iriver was so that i could say STOP or IRIVER SHUT UP and the player stops 00.12.53 # that's really what I want 00.12.56 # <_jim_fear> come on that would be cool you know it 00.13.15 # amiconn: that's what I thought but I couldn't believe it was only that. Thanks! 00.13.52 # ahh, I don't know if anyone would be interested in coding that feature, as petur said, it sounds like it could be dangerous 00.13.54 # _jim_fear: that sounds like an input device I was working on for my computer. Move your hand a certain way and it puts words into the computer 00.14.12 # <_jim_fear> haha thats awesome 00.14.37 # _jim_fear: yup. just a slight movement of your hand and you could get any word you can imagine in it 00.14.54 # kkurbjun: how hard would it be to code it myself? 00.14.54 # <_jim_fear> that sounds elaborate 00.15.05 # petur: If all the iriver fw code would look like that, I would wonder how they achieve a longer battery runtime than rockbox... 00.15.13 # _jim_fear: look at your hands... 00.15.15 # I can write you a program that will give you that without any movement of your hand :P 00.15.33 # <_jim_fear> my hands are pretty elaborate 00.15.35 # <_jim_fear> =) 00.15.42 # I'm not sure, I don't really mess with rockbox's internals much. 00.15.44 # _jim_fear: look at what they're pressing onto 00.16.01 # kkurbjun: is there some sort of abstract system to program against? 00.16.01 # I just stick to plugins 00.16.07 # <_jim_fear> right 00.16.08 # amiconn: maybe we're still missing something - a chip not powered down? 00.16.19 # Somehow I don't believe it does. They probably use the motorola mp3 decoder, and that surely looks like _real_ asm 00.16.26 # hi all 00.16.27 # emacsen, what do you mean abstract? there's a simulator 00.16.35 # kkurbjun: couldn't you make a plugin for this? "when at the end of mp3, push up this menu" 00.16.42 # is there any easy way to implement subsongs for sids in rockbox? it seems that the internals on rockbox are pretty heavily built on file based navigation... 00.16.49 # is it possible to get the cvs sources from middle january? 00.16.53 # kkurbjun: I mean I haven't looked at the code. Is it C, firmware? something else? 00.17.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/dl.cgi?bin=source 00.17.33 # woops 00.17.40 # It's mostly C, pieces of asm, but no where where you should need to change 00.17.47 # petur: Sure, there's the mystical power-drain on H300. But even on H1x0 we don't reach the same runtime as the stock firmware 00.18.29 # Rob2222: sorry, seems not online 00.18.30 # Rob2222: cvs allows to check out any point in time 00.18.38 # right 00.18.42 # I thought so. 00.18.51 # You have the option in head? 00.18.59 # rob2222, cvs co -r -D ? 00.19.13 # emacsen, plugins don't have much access to the system normally so it could be difficult to code as a plugin 00.19.16 # ok thx, i will try 00.19.35 # cvs co -D actually, forget the revision flag 00.21.07 # Slasheri: Does that chunked browsing code require to regenerate the tagcache? 00.22.08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 00.24.22 Join wefds [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 00.24.29 Quit ABondar_de (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.25.29 Join carini [0] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 00.27.26 # <_jim_fear> hey petur: what am i retarded, i did what u said, patched the firmware and did the firmware upgrade 00.27.30 # <_jim_fear> but it still has the same interface 00.28.10 # did you copy the actual rockbox files too? 00.28.34 # (rockbox.iriver and .rockbox folder) 00.28.37 # <_jim_fear> yes sir 00.28.43 # <_jim_fear> i deleted everything off the player 00.28.49 # <_jim_fear> except one file that is access denyed 00.28.52 # <_jim_fear> idonno why 00.29.01 # <_jim_fear> but yea i have all the rockbox files on the iriver 00.29.06 # <_jim_fear> and then i put that firmware on it 00.29.08 # <_jim_fear> after patched 00.29.12 # <_jim_fear> ran the firmware upgrade 00.29.20 # and when you power your iriver, do you see the rockbox bootloader? 00.29.22 # <_jim_fear> iriver turned off i turn it back on and it seems like the old one 00.29.25 # <_jim_fear> negative 00.29.44 # then it wasnt flashed ok 00.29.48 # <_jim_fear> okay 00.29.59 # <_jim_fear> power cable should be plugged in or no? 00.30.00 # try again, make sure it's the patched hex file... 00.30.04 # cvs -z3 -D060115 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox <= is that right? 00.30.08 # <_jim_fear> ok ill patch it again too 00.30.48 # <_jim_fear> succesfully patched.. 00.31.05 # rob-, i think the -D060115 goes at the end. 00.31.13 # co -D20060115 rockbox 00.31.20 # or something. 00.31.36 # <_jim_fear> ok lemme try the firmware upgrade again 00.31.46 # Rob2222, sorry. 00.33.19 # <_jim_fear> hmm 00.33.22 # <_jim_fear> again it shut off 00.33.28 # <_jim_fear> i turned it on and its the same old interface 00.33.29 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.41 # <_jim_fear> petur: should i not have this thing plugged in? 00.33.59 # was that with power cable attached? 00.34.02 # <_jim_fear> yes 00.34.13 # <_jim_fear> the battery is fully charged though 00.34.34 # <_jim_fear> and again the .rocksbox folder and .iriver file are in the root director 00.34.36 # <_jim_fear> y 00.34.55 # <_jim_fear> along with the patched h300.hex 00.35.01 # boot without it, rockbox doesn't intercept booting when AC is being plugged in 00.35.11 # without the power cable 00.35.33 # * petur was typing an answer in his cygwin window :) 00.35.39 # <_jim_fear> lol 00.35.44 # Wait, don't you have to tell it to do a firmware upgrade in the menu for H300? 00.35.46 # <_jim_fear> oh wow 00.35.48 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 00.35.49 # <_jim_fear> that worked 00.36.21 # great 00.36.32 # next step is tweaking it ;) 00.36.43 # backdrops, wps, fonts,... 00.37.18 # wow 00.37.22 # Wow? 00.37.30 # * amiconn is impressed by the latest tagcache update 00.37.33 # <_jim_fear> yeah that should be interesting 00.37.49 # amiconn: It works? 00.37.59 # hahahaha 00.38.09 # Yes, it works, and the search is pretty fast, even on archos 00.38.33 # * petur watches Paul_The_Nerd getting slapped by Slasheri 00.38.47 # I just wrote a script for installing rockbox on the 5g ipod 00.38.54 # But my oh my! is it ugly. 00.38.57 # petur: Well the last "chunked browsing like feature" wasn't wholly functional 00.39.00 # Less than 2 seconds for searching in a 3000-song database (excluding the disk spinup) 00.39.13 # amiconn: Now, the only thing I personally want from tagcache is the return of a proper context menu. 00.39.23 # it probably only scanned the root then :P 00.39.48 Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) 00.40.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: There are some more tweaks, but basically it does everything the old tagdb did, and more 00.40.05 # has any real work been done to creating an installer yet? 00.40.34 # punkrockguy318: Most of the work is still going into making everything work well, at least by the core group 00.40.35 # Like, the basic folder names should be localised (they were with the old tagdb) 00.41.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah. I hacked up a script to install rockbox on a 5g ipod, but it's pretty ugly :( it's a mix of bash and python... 00.41.55 # Does playing a playlist from the root directory work without error? 00.41.55 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 00.42.31 # punkrockguy318: Ideally the installer would be graphical, like the Archos one. But since Rockbox on Ipod isn't officially due to be released until 3.1, there's yet time. A simple one like you made would be quite helpful for people in the forums though, I imagine. :) 00.42.44 # infamis: What kind of error would you be expecting? 00.43.10 # I00: at 31F09E18 00.43.24 # only thing I've changed was the battery capacity to 950mAh 00.43.33 # infamis: Can you play any other music? 00.43.41 # What would be great (since the tagcache has this info anyway) would be to display the tag info of a track (using the already existing tag viewer) 00.43.48 # lemme see 00.44.01 # Tag viewer? 00.44.02 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-83-170.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.44.03 # hehe: the committing tagcache message is written on the initial screen (blue background) but uses the custom bg color as its own bg color 00.44.09 # amiconn: I think there should be one more option on the main TagCache screen besides Artists/Albums/Genres/Searches/Etc: "Playlists" 00.44.20 # petur: Or custom BG image. 00.44.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: nope, errs at 31F0762C now 00.44.30 # What have playlists to do with the tagcache? 00.44.32 # infamis: Okay. I've seen something LIKE this before. 00.44.57 # What was the default battery capacity setting, anyone know? 00.45.06 # infamis: Did you update the whole package, including codecs? 00.45.14 # yup 00.45.16 # amiconn: Well, I guess once it's in a virtual directory it's no problem anyway. I was just thinking that while a playlist isn't exactly a music file, it's relevant to playing music. 00.45.22 # how can I use the tagviewer? 00.45.26 # That looks like old, incompatible codecs 00.45.31 # infamis: Battery Capacity shouldn't cause that error, but the default is 1300 usuall 00.45.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: The tagcache doesn't display files... 00.46.02 # WTF! 00.46.06 # I just saw the cvs commit allowing 950mAh being the default for iAudio; updated, and built; copied over rockbox.iaudio & apps/codes/*.codecs 00.46.08 # infamis: My *strong* recommendation is to delete the .rockbox folder, and rockbox.whatever, and then install a clean one. 00.46.23 # alright lemme see 00.46.31 # booting gives me a committing tagcache message that counts 0 -> 10 and takes 1 minute! 00.46.59 # petur: It's supposed to take a while on initial commit. On archos it's more like 3 minutres... 00.47.16 # that was already the second boot 00.47.32 # just tried a third time and it's ok again... phew 00.48.10 # yep - it's ok now 00.48.18 # (sorry - false alarm) 00.49.19 # <_jim_fear> petur: thanx for ur help =) 00.49.26 # np 00.50.15 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-3-221.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.50.27 # Is there any way I can browse my music by tags rather than directories? 00.50.32 # <_jim_fear> if u can help me delete that got damn file stuck on my iriver 00.50.41 # <_jim_fear> then you would be awesome 00.50.42 # <_jim_fear> lol 00.50.48 # <_jim_fear> rockbox cant delete it either 00.50.49 # amiconn: It just seems to put a lot of people off that the easiest way to get to their playlists from TagCache is to leave it. It doesn't make sense if you hold to the philosophy that TagCache is just for metadata, but there was that Playlist Library patch idea, and it seems that adding both smart playlisting and the playlist Catalogue to it eventually could make TagCache into a quite appealing thing for Database fans. 00.50.58 # _iim_fear: use the rockbox filebrowser 00.51.05 # <_jim_fear> isnt that what it boots to 00.51.16 # punkrockguy318: There's a page for TagCache in the wiki that explains how to set it up 00.51.21 # thanks :) 00.51.22 # <_jim_fear> i tried to delete the directory and contents and with no prompt it still is there 00.51.36 # _iim_fear: what file/dir? 00.51.44 # Where does rockbox store the currently selected font option at? 00.51.45 # <_jim_fear> i renamed it to try and del it 00.51.54 # <_jim_fear> its under as/as/file 00.51.54 # (on the hard drive) 00.52.26 # _jim_fear: Run a scandisk on the drive, maybe? 00.52.34 # infamis: Save a .cfg file and you can see it in there. 00.52.54 # <_jim_fear> scandisc on the iriver? 00.53.09 # <_jim_fear> hmm 00.53.12 # <_jim_fear> never thought of that 00.53.39 # _iim_fear: to delete files under rockbox, set file view to show all (settings), then navigate to it, long-press the NAVI button and select delete. hit NAVI again to confirm 00.53.52 # but better scandisk first 00.54.00 # <_jim_fear> ok 00.54.12 # Paul_The_Nerd: Well, I agree that switching file display for getting to the tagcache and out of it is cumbersome, especially when there's no quickscreen to do it 00.54.16 # is there a reason that might prevent dircache from initializing? too many files or such? 00.54.44 # * petur votes for a virtual directory *again* 00.54.55 # That's what my suggestion of a virtual directory would help... 00.54.58 # When using the ID3 db is there any way to view files? Or must I change file view back to what it was? 00.55.00 # it seems it's no longer initializing on my x5 after patching in album art and sid support 00.55.12 # lol 00.55.21 # Oh wow, my answer was in the last 5 lines 00.55.41 # It would be nice to have an option in the id3 db menu. Perhaps Files? At the bottom? 00.55.43 # see, complaints are starting to rol in :P 00.55.54 # might have something to do with having full high voltage sid collection on the harddisk :-) 00.56.14 # amiconn: As I said, the virtual directory would solve the problem too. Though I personally would like to see TagCache evolve to something more powerful, just so it can step past the point most of the other database players have their interfaces at. 00.56.54 # make[2]: *** No rule to make target `bejeweled.c', needed by `/home/Rob/battery/rockbox/ibuild/apps/plugins/de 00.56.55 # p-plugins'. Stop. <= wt.? 00.57.04 # no rule? 00.57.07 # shhhht 00.57.08 # Rob2222: Delete bejeweled.c 00.57.17 Join sayocean [0] (n=say@c-67-184-76-109.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.57.17 # Question: Any notification of when the first tag cache update is done? 00.57.19 # hi folks 00.57.23 # punkrock 00.57.27 # punkrockguy318: When the HD stops reading. 00.57.45 # or when the "circle" next to the time (top right corner) is gone 00.58.35 # sayocean: You're assuming he's on an iPod. While he is, not everyone is. Units that have an actual HD LED just blink that instead. 00.58.39 # :) 00.58.41 # <_jim_fear> my stupid belkin car charger will still work with my iriver now right? 00.58.42 # hmm, there is no bejeweled.c ?! 00.58.49 # <_jim_fear> its not irivers its aftermarket 00.58.58 # oh nice 00.59.04 # i got lucky then 00.59.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: Just a suggestion: would it be beneficial to give a notification when the database is done and to restart the ipod? 00.59.24 # Rob2222: It's been renamed to jewels.c 00.59.30 # _iim_fear: just remember to plug it in after you bootet rockbox 00.59.39 # else it will boot the original fw 00.59.55 # *booted 00.59.56 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.01 # punkrockguy318: I personally think the forced update shouldn't occur in the background, but that's just me. It should show a progress bar, then restart for you. 01.00.16 # <_jim_fear> ah ok 01.00.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: currently, there's NO way to know when it's done and that you need to reboot without reading the documentation 01.01.06 # punkrockguy318: Well, the assumption is that people *will* read the documentation, since it's not necessarily wise to just experiment with things in any place. 01.01.07 # Not saying that it's inheritly wrong by any means! But isn't one of the goals of this project an intuitive interface? 01.01.21 # Paul_The_Nerd: Thank you very much. 01.01.26 # _iim_fear: and once you got everything tweaked to your likings, export the settings to a cfg file - some new versions may reset your settings 01.02.07 # punkrockguy318: Well, TagCache is very new, so right now it's getting to the "It does everything it's supposed to" step. But it's never to early to start thinking about "But how does the user know what it's doing?" portion. 01.02.24 # yeah 01.02.35 # <_jim_fear> lol 01.02.35 # What is this example and example 2? 01.03.12 # punkrockguy318: Open tagcache.config in a text editor. ;-) 01.03.16 # thanks 01.03.24 # eerrr Tagnavi.config 01.03.28 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 01.04.06 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.04.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: This is so much fun for me, I'm a real tinkerer and this project is just perfect for me :) 01.04.12 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 01.05.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: Imho tagcache should update in the background. The update may take quite some time, and this way you can continue using the box while it's rebuilding 01.05.43 # I'm not sure how difficult it would be, but I would like to see the necessity for reboot go away. 01.05.47 # amiconn: I dunno. I just feel like the initial forced update should be relativel non-interruptible. 01.05.50 # <_jim_fear> hey all my album folders have .pls files in them will that mess up the tagcache ? 01.05.50 # Paul_The_Nerd, Upgrading the firmware on my ipod fixed the color problem 01.05.52 # <_jim_fear> silly question im sure 01.06.01 # amiconn: Or at least, very clear feedback when it's done. 01.06.14 # brendan_: Quite strange in my opinion, but good to hear it. :) 01.06.33 # _jim_fear: The tagcache only cares about the metadata tags on supported music files. 01.07.21 # <_jim_fear> ok ll 01.07.24 # <_jim_fear> ;] 01.07.44 # So, if they do cause it trouble, it's a "bug" 01.08.48 # kkurbjun: Your latest commit caused RED for ipod video.... 01.09.01 # RED? 01.09.21 # build failed 01.09.31 # what does RED stand for? 01.09.38 # punkrockguy318: Failed build, as Petur said 01.09.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: oh, I thought it was an acronym 01.10.03 # hahaha 01.10.10 # We here at Rockbox are quite fond of the color green, and like it when the CVS builds table is a nice soothing solid green without red and yellow spatterings. 01.10.20 # The plugin grew too large... by (at least) 0x160 bytes 01.10.32 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 01.10.53 # amiconn: Why wouldn't it fit on Video, but would on other iPods? Framebuffer or something like it video related? 01.10.55 # Plugins have to fit within a size restraint? 01.11.17 # punkrockguy318: Yup. 512k if I'm not mistaken? 01.11.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: Sure. Video has the biggest screen.... 01.12.04 # Paul_The_Nerd: Why is that? If you don't mind me asking! Sorry, I'm just so curious :) 01.12.11 # punkrockguy318, Paul_The_Nerd: Plugin RAM area is 512KB on all swcodec platforms, and 32KB on archos 01.12.27 # punkrockguy318: Because we have to reserve the memory in advance, and it counts against the audio buffer. 01.12.39 # amiconn: Yeah, I forgot HWCodec again. I'm sorry, I'm bad about that. =/ 01.13.04 # Paul_The_Nerd: thank you 01.13.04 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 01.13.10 Quit Genre9mp3 (Client Quit) 01.13.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: the problem was with my codecs....which was odd as I had the updated from cvs and when I built there was 'nothing to be done'. Then I threw the codecs from the bleeding edge build & the error ceased. pretty odd 01.13.23 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.13.39 # 'nothing to be done' for the codecs, that is 01.14.14 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 01.14.21 # infamis: That means there's a dependency problem with the codecs.... I wonder why 01.15.02 # a dependency on the firmware or another file? 01.15.05 # tagcache is taking *forever* to update on my recorder.. 01.15.42 # I really need someone to blame for letting me convert all my oggs to mp3. I wish I would have known about this project before I did a mass reripping session! 01.15.43 # I thought a minimalist install includes the firmware & ./rockbox/*.codec 01.16.12 # * /.rockbox 01.17.02 # infamis: It means that building the codecs depends on a certain source file which the build system doesn't "catch" 01.17.32 # infamis: I do a clean rebuild every time, since it's a minute and a half anyway, and I ran into a problem like that once several months ago. 01.17.53 Ctcp Version from Rick!i=rick@unaffiliated/Rick 01.17.53 *** Server message 505: 'logbot- :Private messages from unregistered users are currently blocked due to spam problems, but you can always message a staffer. Please register! ( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 01.18.23 # i.e. the codecs need to be rebuilt when this file changes, cause otherwise they wouldn't work correctly (as you experienced), but the build system didn't detect this, and told you 'nothing to be done' 01.19.11 # yeah a clean rebuild worked... 01.19.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: I prefer to do incremental rebuilds, especially on cygwin 01.19.38 # amiconn: so it was a commit that was done today 01.19.50 # that the codecs relied on but make didn't catch 01.19.51 # Anyway, this is a bug in the build system 01.21.43 # so one of those commits >= than the 15 Apr 06:23 one 01.21.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.21.56 # since I'm gmt-6 01.22.08 # and my last build was friday night like 11pm 01.22.16 # or 5:00 gmt 01.23.23 # Next question, any wps's out there that are pretty basic but have a readable big font (for driving)? 01.23.49 # I like the boxes theme but changing the font to a bigger one makes it unreadable 01.24.43 # check the WpsGallery for your model, i'd suggest. 01.25.39 # already did 01.25.42 # amiconn: Yeah, but I don't do much development work, so on an *average* day, I only make two or three rebuilds total, for two targets. So, maybe 15 minutes of time. :) 01.26.03 # infamis, if you can't find anything you like, modify one that's already there or make your own.. or live with one you don't like :) 01.26.11 # Hehe, a full rebuild of all my build targets takes >1 hour 01.26.20 # That's without sims... 01.26.24 # Hehehe 01.26.33 # cygwin sucks 01.27.04 # midkay: I take the last option but instead of 'one you don't like' search/replace that with 'one you can't read while driving' :) 01.27.17 # infamis: I'd recommend just making a very simple text-only one for the car. Use the rockbox_default code from the Archos Recorder WPS gallery, strip the peakmeter if it gives you a performance problem, tweak the rest as necessary, then pick a nice big font. 01.27.28 # infamis, haha. you should try your hand at making your own, it's quite simple and fun :) 01.27.45 # yea, I guess, but don't wanna reinvent the wheel ya know 01.27.52 # if there's already one out there 01.28.08 # clearly there isn't :) or.. which model are you using? 01.28.20 # x5 01.28.26 # hmm.. 01.29.13 # you could probably use many of the H100 WPS'.. so long as they don't have bitmaps.. 01.29.28 Quit Minuo () 01.29.32 # and any nonbitmapped nano ones would work too.. 01.30.20 # I'll check 'em out...I'm just getting ready to go out and unleash the wrath of rockbox on the occupants in my car... 01.30.57 # I use too many ellipses... 01.31.50 # haha. 01.31.59 # so do i :) 01.32.06 # ... 01.32.17 # ...?... 01.32.47 # lol... 01.32.53 # doh! 01.36.26 Quit infamis ("I'm out like Michael Jackson in a room full of women") 01.37.17 # bah... another failed isp1362 experiment :( 01.37.59 # midkay: The Nano ones might not work. 01.38.08 # Paul_The_Nerd, why not? 01.38.25 # Screen's 16 pixels wider, and I think 4 taller. 01.38.37 # Paul_The_Nerd, right, and why wouldn't they work? :) 01.38.43 # One too many lines of text 01.38.50 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@106-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 01.38.53 # Or, half a line too many 01.38.58 # wait.. 01.39.04 # The Nano's screen is bigger 01.39.13 # what's the nano's res? oh, it's like 172x138 or something, isn't it.. 01.39.26 # i was thinking 138x110 or something.. something's wrong with me. :) 01.39.28 # X5 and H120 are 160*128, Nano is 176*132 01.39.40 # Mini is 138*110 I think? 01.39.45 Join speacial_ed [0] (n=chatzill@00095b0ec047.click-network.com) 01.39.52 # something like that.. 01.40.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: You think right 01.40.34 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-246.VIC.netspace.net.au) 01.40.55 # * amiconn just tried tagcache on mini 01.41.51 # Alright, I found a way to freeze my player (sorta). 01.41.58 # * Paul_The_Nerd tries to reproduce it 01.42.51 # * Paul_The_Nerd fails. 01.43.30 # The mini's lcd resolution is really odd. Surprisingly, the bitshifting necessary in flipped mode doesn't slow down lcd_update() by a measurable amount 01.47.00 Quit b00st4 () 01.48.35 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 01.52.03 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.52.13 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 01.53.20 Part emacsen 01.57.44 Quit mikolas ("Leaving") 02.00.19 # * petur swears at the isp1362 02.05.12 Quit speacial_ed ("Bye") 02.06.24 # dont tempt the devil http://img238.imageshack.us/my.php?image=devil29yu.jpg 02.07.10 # amiconn: would you happen to know if the recent iaudio lcd code changes might cause partial lcd updates to mess up the unupdated regions? 02.07.21 # i've seen a couple people report this bug on the iaudio: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5125 02.09.17 # I can confirm this RotAtoR 02.09.35 # since Bagder lcd changes 02.10.10 # ok thanks, then there must be something a little buggy there 02.10.55 # then i guess i'll have to bug Bagder next time he's around ;) 02.10.58 # before Bagder lcd changes, there wasn't this bug 02.11.03 # hehe : ) 02.11.13 # maybe amiconn know why ??? 02.12.46 # amiconn: and the inverse select bar appear like "broken" when you keep browsing 02.13.37 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 02.14.35 Quit ashridah ("out") 02.15.28 # but time for me to go to bed 02.15.31 # bye all 02.15.36 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 02.18.13 # /win3 02.20.58 Join Aghaster [0] (n=Aghaster@modemcable240.73-202-24.mc.videotron.ca) 02.21.00 # hi 02.21.06 # nopw this is /win 4 stoffel 02.21.07 # :) 02.21.17 # s/nopw/nope/ 02.21.23 # i've just learned the existence of this project, it seems very cool 02.21.29 # where can i see screenshots? 02.21.34 # aaargh 02.21.37 # (i have an ipod 4G 60gig) 02.21.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 02.23.06 # thanks 02.23.12 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 02.23.13 # Aghaster: you might also want to check out the current draft of the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml 02.23.34 # it has screenshots to 02.24.48 # k. i have an ipod 4th gen 60gig with color. do you think it'll be greatly supported? 02.24.55 # i had bad support with ipodlinux 02.25.21 # How DO they make those screenshots anyway 02.25.42 # either sim or on the target 02.25.44 # dunno 02.25.53 # Aghaster: It's quite well supported right now. There are a few glitches (peakmeters on the while playing screen can negatively affect playback) but I'd say it's still quite well running 02.26.09 # ok 02.26.22 # i'd be better choosing iPod color/Photo build? 02.26.22 # scottder: You can enable screenshots in the debug menu, and then it saves them as .bmps in the root when you insert the USB cable. Disable screenshots to get normal USB functionality back 02.26.36 # ahhh 02.26.37 # :) 02.26.57 # Aghaster: Builds are Target specific. The only one that will work for you is the one designed specifically for your player 02.27.05 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 02.27.11 # ok, but i don't know if iPod color/Photo suits my ipod 02.27.15 Nick muesli__ is now known as muesli-- (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 02.27.19 # my ipod is a 4th gen color 02.27.22 # so. dunno 02.27.25 # Aghaster: That's the right one, yes. 02.27.28 # ok 02.27.39 # Aghaster: You may also want to read this page for installation instructions: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation 02.27.47 # thanks 02.27.53 # in what language is rockbox written in? 02.28.22 Join omega21 [0] (n=c6359b93@labb.contactor.se) 02.28.55 # C and ASM 02.29.08 # k 02.29.26 # hi there, I just wanted to say that Apple Canada told me that putting Rockbox on an iPod would not void the warranty. Perhaps this could be put on your FAQ? Thanks! 02.29.42 # :huh: ? 02.29.56 # @me? 02.30.09 # until you ship it back... 02.30.14 # lol 02.30.21 # ok, not @ me. 02.30.30 # petur: You should always be able to remove all traces of it, simply by reformatting the disk. 02.30.43 # unless it's *broken* 02.30.47 # Well yes 02.30.59 Part omega21 02.31.02 # But if it's broken to that point, then they won't be able to boot it to the point they see the bootloader anyway 02.31.26 # hum... installers required files for installation from that link are windows executables 02.31.29 # what about linux? 02.31.29 # yes, irivers are a bit nastier in that point 02.31.54 # Aghaster: Read the very first line of the page after the contents links. 02.32.09 # ah! 02.32.19 # lol... sorry i skipped that line while reading 02.33.51 # damn... why won't this stupid chip talk to me :( 02.34.04 # I give up 02.34.11 # 'night 02.34.18 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 02.34.27 # hmm. fast forwarding Large files seems to be broken in todays daily. 02.34.41 # how large and what format? 02.34.44 # keeps hanging after releasing 'left' 02.34.46 # wehn: Large files at all, or specifically if you get outside of the audio buffer? 02.35.03 # ogg vorbis, 2 hours long! 02.35.13 # Ah 02.35.41 # it used to work until i updated. I was using earlier April daily before 02.35.41 # wehn: And you said "Fast forward" but "releasing left" 02.36.21 # as in "hold left" to ffwd. when an hour or so into the file. release. then hang. 02.36.25 # hung 02.36.37 # You hold left to rewind though... 02.36.40 # I believe right is FF and left is REW 02.36.43 # :) 02.36.53 # silly me. RIGHT. uhh. 02.37.02 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders if kkurbjun is going to fix the broken Ipod build any time soon. 02.37.39 # wehn: Okay, can you do me a favour? Play the file, wait until the HD stops spinning while playing the file, then fast forward just 1 or 2 minutes further into it, and see if that works? 02.38.06 # that does work. (but i'll retest now) 02.39.50 # yep. seems to happen if it has to spin up to get the next bit. 02.39.59 # So, "seeking out of the buffer" 02.40.06 # yes. :) 02.40.49 # Okay, one last thing: Could you try a Bleeding Edge build from the CVS Builds page, and verify that the problem is still there. I imagine it will be, but since I'm not 100% sure what Lostlogic's most recent changes do, there's always the chance it is fixed. 02.41.09 # these are 80Meg files. 2 hours mixups recorded from radio. OGG quality 3 (~90kBit). 02.41.15 # sure.. 02.41.42 # This install was fresh (ie not unzipped over an old one... 02.42.02 # but is it ok to unzip over the current one? to keep scores, config etc. 02.42.32 # In most cases, it's fine. 02.43.05 # Though erasing your .rockbox folder shouldn't clear your configuration, as that's stored elsewhere. But of course, it'll delete any backed up .cfg files or whatnot. 02.43.39 Quit wefds (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.43.50 Quit obo ("bye") 02.43.56 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 02.44.53 # anyone has plan to buy E10? 02.45.28 # Nope 02.45.29 # :) 02.45.34 # haha, 02.46.03 # I don't plan on buying any more MP3 players unless I actually start becoming active in development somehow, or if one of my existing ones breaks 02.46.07 # E10 is good device... 02.46.17 # Since I got my Nano can't think of going back to a HD based player 02.46.26 # If my exam results is good, is going to buy it. 02.47.00 # If Rockbox works in E10, I will be pleased. 02.47.04 # :) 02.47.09 # scottder luv the scratches so much? ;) 02.47.12 # I had bad luck with HD based players 02.47.30 # muesli--: what scratches? I have very nice aluminum case for mine :) 02.47.34 # what is HD? Hard Disk? 02.47.40 # Yup 02.47.43 # ah. 02.47.44 # ;) 02.47.50 Quit _jim_fear ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 02.48.09 # oooo 02.48.11 # I have terrible scratches on my 5g :( 02.48.14 # I caught cold... 02.48.31 # Paul_The_Nerd: still hangs with bleeding edge. spins up disk. then it's hung. 02.49.00 # punkrockguy318: thats what cases are for.....fact of life with ipods 02.49.19 # wehn: Alright, good to know. 02.49.22 # yeah 02.49.30 # iPod condoms are only like $6 at wal-mart 02.49.31 # scottder: i even got scratches with a leather case :( 02.49.35 # I'm satisfied with mine 02.49.43 # lostlogic: In case you don't see it in the log without the highlight, seeking outside the buffer (at least on a single very large ogg file) is still bad. 02.49.46 # That's why I went aluminum.... 02.49.50 # BHSPitLappy: the 5g's even come with one 02.50.02 # strudy, doesn't add much to overall size 02.50.07 # protects like the dickens 02.50.07 # punkrockguy318: a slip case, not protection during use 02.50.08 # :) 02.50.27 # scottder: i would get an aluminum but it's a little too late now :( 02.50.39 # ipod condoms....what ARE you doing with your ipod? 02.50.40 # :) 02.50.43 # my nano looked horrible 02.50.51 # brasso did a good job on it 02.51.15 # Lets put it this way...my case was ordered and arrived before my nano did :) 02.51.16 # Paul: I might have some big Flac files around somewhere. I'll try that. 02.51.24 # brasso? 02.51.34 # I just want a 20Gb flash ipod now :) 02.52.07 Quit dj-fu (Success) 02.52.09 # I have a 1/2 hour long flac and I can track around in it fine 02.52.15 # but I have a nano, so no HD spinup :) 02.52.26 # wehn: I imagine it'll happen with all big files. Lostlogic is the guy who'd be able to look into the actual cause, but he's probably actually enjoying his weekend or something horrible like that. ;-) 02.52.51 # How selfish 02.52.52 # :) 02.53.05 # Paul: yeah, i'm going to hit the mountain bike trails later. :) 02.53.35 # scottder: Well, it should be a buffering problem, not an HD spinup related problem. The buffers are handled the same way on the Nano, so I'm curious with bleeding edge can you load the flac, then seek to some point maybe 5 minutes from the end, and have it work? 02.53.51 # ok 02.54.04 # I installed the latest CVS build this morning 02.54.26 # i installed rockbox, but i have an error. bootloader works, but when it loads it says "Rockbox error: -2" "loading original firmware" 02.55.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: codec failure 02.55.08 # Aghaster: I got that yesterday too. Can you boot into rockbox? 02.55.14 # no 02.55.27 # should i press anything to load rockbox? 02.55.47 # wehn: is that the error you got? 02.56.11 # scottder: what? codec failure? 02.56.20 # yeah 02.56.32 # no it just hangs. 02.56.44 # hrrmm...well then my error may be another clue 02.56.48 # i sit and wait for music and none comes. and everything stopes updating on the screen 02.56.51 # it says that then jumps to the next song 02.56.52 # scottder: Wehn is using potentially a newer version of playback.c than you though. 02.57.07 # Ahhh been updated since this morning Paul_The_Nerd ? 02.57.17 # punkrock: what can cause an "error -2"? 02.57.51 # scottder: Depends on how long ago "this morning" was for you. The last update was 15 Apr 09:19 GMT I believe 02.57.58 # 317 meg flac + USB 1.1 = pain. waiting. 02.58.16 # Aghaster: I'm really not quite sure, I just installed rockbox for the first time yesterday. I got that error when I followed instructions on an external forums site. When I followed the directions on the rockbox page, everything went smoothly 02.58.37 # hum. which model do you have? 02.58.47 # I think it says at boot lemme check :) 02.59.45 # 060415-1459 03.00.53 # hm 03.01.04 # I don't have problem. 03.01.44 # Aghaster: ipod 5g 03.01.48 # k 03.01.58 # Paul_The_Nerd: ffwding a Flac gives a "Codec Failure" splash. then skips file. 03.02.02 # looks like its not detecting the installed rockbox on it 03.02.10 # wehn: Interesting. 03.02.14 # because i rebooted without installing it and with install, it did the same 03.02.19 # what did you do to install it? 03.02.21 # Aghaster: No, if the file isn't found it should give Error -1 03.02.25 # hum. 03.02.31 # -2 means what? 03.02.38 # Aghaster: I'm not 100% sure. 03.02.49 # Aghaster: I'm trying to figure that out. :) 03.02.49 # where can i find the answer to my question? 03.02.51 # ok 03.02.51 # lol 03.03.09 # -2 Steve Jobs is mad at you 03.03.10 # :) 03.03.13 # :) 03.03.14 # hahaha 03.03.15 # lollll 03.03.52 # I think -2 means wrong checksum but I'm not sure 03.04.04 # I thought -4 was wrong checksum 03.04.27 # Where can I find a list of the #defines for each platform? I'm writing a plugin and I want to test for a certain keypad 03.04.42 # are error number specified anywhere? 03.04.46 # Aghaster: When it boots, before the Error -4, it should say Model: something, what model does it say? 03.04.55 # its an error -2 03.05.04 # Either way 03.05.07 # What model does it say? 03.05.22 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@wireless-224-88.uchicago.edu) 03.05.35 # chksum=betoh32(chksum); /* Rockbox checksums are big-endian */ 03.05.35 # if(rc < 4) 03.05.35 # return -2; 03.05.43 # Hm 03.06.10 # 200601131-0937 03.06.19 # Aghaster: I did not ask for the version number... 03.06.20 # 20060131-0937* 03.06.27 # what version thenÉ? 03.06.29 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 03.06.30 # Nevermind found my answer 03.06.35 # Galois: What's the variable rc set to? Also, what file's that in? 03.06.53 # Aghaster: I said "It should say Model: something, what model does it say?" 03.06.55 # MODEL 03.06.56 # bootloader/ipod.c, I didn't want to paste too many lines of spam 03.07.01 # 0x00060004 03.07.18 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.07.25 # 20060131-0937 is hell of old 03.07.32 # Aghaster: It says "Model: 0x000600004?" 03.07.36 # IPOD model 03.07.41 # :) 03.07.48 # you probably got a bad zip file 03.07.54 # There should be a line that JUST SAYS "Model: something" 03.07.58 # All I'm asking for is that line. 03.07.59 # strange, i downloaded the latest 03.08.09 # I mean the rockbox.zip, not the bootloader 03.08.17 # there is no 'Model:" line 03.08.27 # ... 03.08.30 # i tought i downloaded the last one, i'll verify again 03.08.39 # as galois said 03.08.51 # Aghaster: That means that it hasn't yet determined what model your rockbox.ipod is for. And yeah, with that date you have a several month old one. 03.08.51 # http://cafefiles.naver.net/data9/2005/11/20/100/DSCN2210.jpg 03.08.59 # Aghaster: Where on earth did you get it from? 03.09.08 # 'Model name: blah'? 03.09.13 # from daily builds o.O 03.09.24 # rockbox-ipodcolor-20060415.zip 03.09.44 Join webguest46 [0] (n=c84e4f84@labb.contactor.se) 03.10.02 # Jungti1234: Indeed. It's useful because that Model: is taken from the rockbox file. So if someone puts an H100 build on an H120, you can tell there. 03.10.07 # hi hall 03.10.07 # i'll get the cvs build then 03.10.24 # Aghaster: Unzipping that file gave you a build that reports a 3 month old version #? 03.10.26 Nick webguest46 is now known as metfan (n=c84e4f84@labb.contactor.se) 03.10.36 # haha... 03.10.39 # nah, the version # is prolly from the bootloader 03.10.44 # i unzipped that file to the root of my ipod, and thats what it gave me. 03.10.56 # anybody know how's the support for IPod 3G???? 03.10.56 # let's see with cvs build now 03.10.59 # Galois: Oh, right, he hasn't gotten to the rockbox version # display yet 03.11.09 # you might have done something stupid, like failed to umount the ipod before pulling the plug 03.11.16 # metfan: In English only one ? is necessary. It does not have Audio yet. 03.11.34 # But, you said '20060131 - 0937'... 03.11.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: Thanks 03.12.04 # Today is April 16(or 15), 2006. 03.12.10 # When the hold button is toggled... Is that a button press event? Or need I test for if the hold button is on? 03.12.24 # punkrockguy318: I *think* it's both. 03.12.46 Quit metfan (Client Quit) 03.13.20 # cool, cvs worked 03.13.35 # its ugly, i'll install a theme :P 03.13.45 # It works? 03.13.50 # i can't find what the define is for the HOLD button :-\ 03.13.50 # yeah, it loaded 03.13.58 # with cvs version 03.14.08 # ok 03.16.38 Quit muesli-- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.16.54 # I love the new GreenAmp v2 theme :) 03.17.02 # I already modded it a bit :) 03.17.37 # where can themes be downloaded? 03.18.09 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery 03.18.17 # thanks 03.19.06 # Shame there isn't a GreenAge for the regular ipods 03.19.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not finding any definitions for HOLD as a button.. I think it must be a status that you can check... 03.20.20 # punkrockguy318: Okay 03.20.47 # I'm looking at the idoom source, and they use rb->button_hold() 03.21.46 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.25.02 # idoom or rockdoom? 03.25.14 # rockdoom* excuse me :) 03.25.26 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.28.14 # How can I compile just one plugin? 03.28.19 # u cant 03.28.30 # unless u hack up the Makefile 03.28.32 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@ip-7.net-82-216-143.rev.numericable.fr) 03.28.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/screenshots/ 03.28.38 # how can I exclude the compiation of a plugin 03.28.56 # edit the SOURCEs files in the plugins folder and remove the plugin 03.31.06 # Jungti1234: Those are a little... old. 03.31.24 Quit mirak (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.31.58 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.32.00 # Paul_The_Nerd: very old :) 03.32.58 # hey 03.32.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NoDo 03.33.07 # That's quite old too 03.33.13 # Isn't it part that is mistaken? 03.33.58 # The "Fat32" portion is no longer entirely true. While it's probably true that Rockbox will never intentionally use it, the "Because of the hardware" excuse is at least partially invalid. 03.34.27 # 'Multi-band equalizer!' 03.34.44 # Jungti1234: Yes, but that's in the "Archos-specific" section, if you'll notice 03.34.55 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.34.55 # hum.... when i load rockbox now it gets stuck at the splash screen 03.34.58 # Is there a documentation for the rb api? 03.35.06 # :P 03.35.11 # apps/plugin.h 03.35.17 # Aghaster: I thought you said it worked a bit ago. Did you change anything? 03.35.22 # punkrockguy318: thats about as good as there is... 03.35.49 # i played a bit in the settings, i changed the themes for one of those that was listed on it. it changed nothing, but maybe its because of this 03.35.57 # JdGordon: good enough for me. i'm just looking for usage of the button _hold function 03.36.03 # how do i boot original firmware? 03.36.36 # Aghaster: Hold Menu immediately after turning it on. 03.36.52 # Aghaster: I suggest reading the FAQ and Manual for answers to common questions. 03.36.58 # ok 03.37.13 # i tried, but it didnt work. this time i was quick enough 03.37.15 # thats why 03.38.52 # Is there any way you can toggle hold using the simulator? 03.39.00 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.43.14 # :/ i reinstalled it and installed a theme, but it doesnt work 03.43.21 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 03.43.36 # Aghaster: what doesn't work? rockbox of the theme? 03.43.56 # well now that i tried to lead the theme rockbox is stuck at splashscreen again 03.44.04 # hmm 03.44.10 # load* 03.44.57 # seems like it doesn't like any theme. 03.48.14 # Aghaster: ANY theme, or just specific ones? Try Zezayer and see if it works. 03.48.22 # k 03.54.04 # I can't find a way to toggle the hold button using the simluator. is this possible? 03.55.25 # argh. i can't get it to load properly at all now 03.55.36 # Aghaster: Try resetting your settings. 03.55.41 # how can I? 03.55.55 # hm 03.55.58 # i can't get into rockbox, its stuck at splash screen 03.59.20 # tired for tonight. i'll program instead 04.00.40 # anyone have screenshots of rockbox on iPOD ?? 04.00.52 # well, on mine. if it could work fine 04.00.52 # lol 04.01.35 # anyway, how do you want to have a screenshot of rockbox on ipod? it'd be a photo 04.01.53 # no kiddin 04.02.15 # that sounds quite sarcastic, isn't it? 04.02.39 # its suppose to 04.02.42 # Aghaster: Well, you can reset the settings by flipping the hold switch to On immediately after turning on the Ipod 04.03.03 # ... damn i just wiped it off my ipod lol 04.04.09 # Aghaster: As I suggested, you should've read the Manual and FAQ. 04.05.14 Quit cyberjb ("my mom always said to leave the toliet seat closed.") 04.05.31 # thanks, worked 04.05.45 # (for clearing) 04.05.50 # where is the manual for ipod? 04.07.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/manual.shtml 04.08.44 Quit Russss (Remote closed the connection) 04.12.59 Join seretran [0] (i=roagoza@220.Red-81-39-150.dynamicIP.rima-tde.net) 04.14.15 # I'm really having trouble figuring out how to test if the hold button is on. This code is entirely new to me, would someone mind giving me a helping hand? :) 04.18.30 Quit Jungti1234 () 04.21.16 Join Jaguar [0] (n=dufus@12-219-93-249.client.mchsi.com) 04.23.02 Join bananafon [0] (n=say@c-67-184-76-109.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 04.25.39 Part Aghaster ("Leaving") 04.27.43 # I would really appreciate if someone would look at my plugin code. It's supposed to display a message if the hold button is on, but it doesn't. http://pastebin.com/662461 What's wrong? 04.32.30 # punkrockguy318, are you sure that's the way to check for the hold button? i'm unfamiliar with the hold switch detection. 04.32.52 # midkay_: I'm not positive, but i looked at the teris plugin, and it uses almost the exact same procedure 04.33.02 # hmm. 04.34.11 # Do you have any ideas? All the code looks good to me 04.34.20 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 04.34.31 # if i knew more about hold switch detection i probably would... 04.34.52 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 04.35.11 # did you try flicking the switch a few times? 04.35.14 # i want to find out more! but i don't know where to look! i looked at other plugins that detected for hold, and that's almost the same code... :-\ i don't think there's a doc for it 04.35.17 # midkay_: yeah :-\ 04.35.37 # sec.. 04.37.24 # did you try perhaps changing button = rb->button_get(true); to button = rb->button_get_w_tmo(HZ/4); or so? 04.37.28 # i'd suggest testing that.. 04.39.18 # what would that do? 04.40.52 Quit sayocean (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.42.07 # rescans buttons every 1/4s.. a different way than the button_get(true) method, which i don't know much about. worth a shot, i think.. 04.42.10 Join spitball [0] (n=d31ea12a@labb.contactor.se) 04.42.24 # bbi 15 minutes or so.. 04.51.26 Join nielsendres [0] (n=niels@220-253-54-47.VIC.netspace.net.au) 04.57.47 # back 04.58.01 # ha. 15m 24s.. 04.58.04 # i'm so _good_.. 04.58.26 # And nothing was said in the time between. 04.58.54 # still. i'm good. 05.01.19 # midkay_: you are good 05.01.25 # midkay_: i figured out my problem 05.01.33 # punkrockguy318, what? 05.01.50 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACAD0B06.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.59 # midkay_: you were right, it was because button_get was a blocker. And the program wouldn't flow right. 05.03.09 # hooray. 05.03.23 # i submitted my first patch :) 05.03.33 # * midkay_ darts to check it 05.03.41 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 05.04.23 Quit nudel ("At Argon, we're working to keep your money.") 05.05.05 # hmm.. 05.06.41 # hmmmm... 05.07.53 # it'd be useful to know more about button_get. punkrockguy318, HZ/4 might need to be raised. did you test it and does it run as well as it did with button_get(true)? 05.07.59 Join nudel [0] (i=nudel@dynamic-212-225-62-125.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 05.08.41 # midkay: It wont' work with button_get(true). Since button_get(true) blocks, there's no way the hold code can work. If the hold button is on, you can't press buttons and move on in the code 05.08.56 # button_get(false) might be the best solution 05.08.57 # yes, i mean normal gameplay. 05.09.18 # gameplay with button_get(true) == gameplay with button_get_w_tmo(HZ/4)? 05.09.25 # i doubt it, that's why i'm asking. 05.10.28 # the only difference would be that hz/4 would take 1/4th of a second for the menu to arise 05.10.53 # the gameplay seems the same 05.11.37 # well, not necessarily. but okay, wasn't sure if the button checking code you changed was for gameplay or just for the menu system. 05.11.48 # for the menu system 05.12.00 # ok :) 05.12.21 # i need to fix a jewels bug, i'll try your patch and possibly commit both at the same time.. 05.12.49 Quit nielsendres ("Ex-Chat") 05.12.52 # alright 05.13.14 # midkay: i also just attatched another patch.. the same thing for snake.. snake already uses button_get(false) so it worked fine with just the addition 05.13.44 # ah, then you might want to just go to button_get(false) for Jewels as well. consistency and quite possibly more 'efficient'.. 05.13.57 # wait, snake or snake2? 05.14.05 # snake i think will be gone soon.. 05.14.08 # snake.. and i'm doing it for snake2 now 05.14.14 # snake2 would be useful. 05.14.17 # i did snake by accident 05.14.25 # snake2 is planned to replace snake rather soon, i think. 05.15.14 # i'm testing the snake2 patch now... 05.16.47 # * Paul_The_Nerd has now officially hit the "I've spent too much time in the forums" point. 05.17.18 # Paul_The_Nerd, haha, anything in particular that pushed you to the limit? :) 05.17.37 # midkay: The fact that I now have the most posts. 05.17.38 Quit spitball ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 05.17.44 Join raybert [0] (n=ray@209-6-253-199.c3-0.frm-ubr2.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) 05.17.53 # midkay: hmm.. snake2 uses button_get(true) by default.. i wonder why? 05.18.05 Quit raybert (Client Quit) 05.19.36 Join raybert [0] (n=ray@209-6-253-199.c3-0.frm-ubr2.sbo-frm.ma.cable.rcn.com) 05.19.37 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.19.40 Join rugrug [0] (n=rug@158.68.118.70.cfl.res.rr.com) 05.20.53 # any devs on other knowledgeables have a minute for a question? 05.21.32 # Paul_The_Nerd, hahaha.. 05.21.43 # punkrockguy318, why do you wonder? 05.21.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.21.49 # rugrug: Go ahead and ask, we'll see if anyone knows. 05.22.03 # it wouldn't exist if it wasn't useful.. just like jewels used it by default, snake2 does.. no reason not to, really. 05.22.25 # midkay: ah, nevermind 05.22.27 # curious if the dock connector line out on ipods works ] 05.22.45 # rugrug: Just the line out portion should work, I believe 05.23.21 # in your estimation an itrip should have no problem sapping power and gettin signal then? 05.23.49 # I'm not so sure about the power thing. 05.24.05 # I think I've heard that the iTrip doesn't work. 05.24.22 # hmm... thats the one i had almost taken for a given.... 05.24.36 # But the line out I'm pretty sure *does* work because if I remember correctly someone complained that it was set to the same volume level as the headphone port, instead of being out at line level. 05.24.38 # rugrug, well, there's no risk in trying if you're curious. 05.24.40 # any other FM transmitters work that you know of? 05.24.56 # if you already have the iTrip, that is. 05.25.19 # i have neither itrip nor ipod - been waiting on ogg support :) 05.25.30 # ah. :) 05.26.24 # midkay: alright, I've submitted the working patch for snake2 05.26.28 Part seretran 05.26.48 # thanks for the input - if i find out for certain ill be sure to drop by and mention..... 05.27.17 Quit rugrug ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 05.29.18 # In the car I use a monster iplay 05.29.22 # works great 05.29.32 # charges and does FM 05.30.28 # http://cgi.ebay.com/Monster-iCarPlay-Wireless-FM-Transmitter-IPOD-AI-PFMCH_W0QQitemZ9710197930QQcategoryZ73836QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem 05.33.25 Join MTWomg [0] (i=aaaa@c-69-137-28-20.hsd1.de.comcast.net) 05.33.30 # hey. 05.33.37 # I have a ipod mini, but I don't know if it's a 2g or not. 05.33.39 # how do I check? 05.34.42 # Does it show the capacity on the back? 05.34.45 # yes 05.34.48 # 2G 05.34.56 # wow. thanks! 05.35.09 # by capacity you mean that it says 4GB in a square, right? 05.35.16 # Yes 05.35.20 # good. thanks for the help. 05.35.28 # As far as I know, that's the only way to tell the difference 05.35.34 # ;) 05.36.10 # just installed the firmware. it works. 05.36.15 # thanks. going on about the install process. 05.38.25 # Have fun 05.39.09 # just installed 05.39.13 # can I make the text larger? 05.39.47 # Yep 05.39.51 # Just select a different font 05.40.09 # I'd recommend picking up the manual, because there's a *lot* of options that you could potentially have questions about 05.40.12 # k. 05.40.16 # :) 05.40.17 # I'll be reading that thing tonight. 05.40.24 # i hate the watermark on it though 05.40.39 # the install was supprisingly painless. 05.40.45 # i'm shocked my ipod still works :D 05.41.06 # Hehehe 05.41.11 # right now I'm using the default firmware (I did figure out the pressing MENU while booting up thing) 05.42.01 # At the point Rockbox is now, the only remaining reasons to use the built in firmware, really, are "Video" on the 5G, and "I bought music from the iTunes store" 05.42.11 # :D 05.42.21 # I do have some music from ITMS 05.42.28 # exclusive tracks, etc 05.43.22 # Yeah, unfortunately we'll never be able to play those. 05.43.41 # :( 05.43.41 # Paul_The_Nerd: is the ogg file > 30m? 05.43.58 # lostlogic: Yup. It's only seeks outside the buffer. 05.44.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: not surprising 05.44.25 # MTWomg: Well, unless Apple decides to open source it's DRM we can't legally include it, y'know? 05.44.41 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm putting track metadata on the buffer, and as part of that I'm properly handling REALLY EFFING big files. 05.44.56 # fuck the law! 05.44.59 # :) 05.45.02 # lostlogic: Hehehe. Alright, I'll do the "It's being worked on" thing. 05.45.11 # Paul_The_Nerd: probably about 80% coded, so sometime late tomorrow, I should have another big broken commit to make :) 05.45.31 # MTWomg: Well, there are two solutions. One, you can remove the DRM yourself if you're in a country that allows you as the legal owner of the music to do so (or if you feel like bending/breaking appropriate laws.) 05.45.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: thanks a lot. and now I rest. just got home from a movie, on the way to which, I got run over, and had my life literally saved by a bicycle helmet. 05.45.55 # The other solution is for someone outside the project to create a plugin or patch that gets your key on the ipod, and allows proper playback of DRMed music anyway. 05.46.03 # How does rockbox handle reallly long (3-4 hours long) and large (250 megs +) files? 05.46.18 # the normal firmware locks up randomly if I put the ipod in sleep with one open 05.46.19 # MTWomg: it doesn't at this point. give it 2 days. 05.46.25 # k 05.46.26 # lostlogic: Ouch. Hope the movie was good at least. So far today, I think that's the *only* playback bug that's been mentioned in my presence. 05.46.53 # Finally I'll be able to sleep with the stern show (I record it myself, no downloading here!) open. 05.46.59 # Paul_The_Nerd: sounds good... good time for me to break it more ;) (actually, I'm designing this next commit very carefully, so I hope that I'm just exagerating the expected brokenness) 05.47.20 # lostlogic: Hehehe. Well, most of the community now knows about older daily builds, so they'll survive. :) 05.48.05 # Paul_The_Nerd: oh, and it is so far -100 lines, I'm guessing by the time I'm done it'll be -80 or so, but that's -80 lines to give us metadata on buffer, which will make album art much easier after 3.0 05.48.28 # (and yes, I often measure success in - lines of code :)) 05.48.31 Part nave7693 05.49.31 # lostlogic: I don't care about album art. My playlist plays through without freezing, and reshuffles properly on repeat. As far as *I* am concerned, your work is done. :-P 05.49.45 # paul, does cross fade work for you in ur ipod? 05.50.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, how's crossfade, I've had spurious reports of it not engaging properly 05.50.06 # bananafon: I don't use crossfade. Let me grab my ipod and check. 05.50.13 # I wonder if I have a bug with crossfade not handling codec changes well 05.50.14 # or similar 05.50.40 # it may also relate to the bug(?) where the pcmbuf drops low on track changes, but I haven't found any verification or good reason for that either. 05.50.43 # lostlogic: How does crossfade handle the next song not being buffered yet? 05.51.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: If the next track isn't buffered, the crossfade is likely to be rejected, buty the buffer fill should start early enough to have the next track buffered before crossfade needs it. 05.51.26 # hey, why can't the latest daily/rockbox see the IPOD_CONTROL folder? 05.51.52 # lostlogic: Yeah, but if you just start playback, then only one song gets buffered. Then someone listens for 15 seconds, no crossfade to the next song. Again only one song gets buffered... etc. Right? 05.52.06 # MTWomg: It can. Hold Menu, and then change the file view to all files. 05.52.11 # k, thanks 05.52.32 # I like the fade out when you pause 05.52.34 # really nice 05.52.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: hmm... yes, if they manually skip like that, that is true. 05.52.56 # RotAtoR: hey 05.53.01 # lostlogic: And crossfade definitely didn't happen when my ~1:02 first song ended naturally 05.53.12 # No codec change. MP3->MP3 05.53.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: alright, I'll consider it a bug then. 05.53.22 # punkrockguy318: hi 05.53.39 # MTWomg: Odd, that was the first thing I disabled. ;) 05.53.49 # lol\ 05.53.56 # RotAtoR: I feel pretty dumb now :( I wanted to implement that functionality in something, but I didn't even think to see if it would be useful. 05.54.01 # lol 05.54.13 # hehe, no problem 05.54.15 # I wish the thing would show a volume bar instead of the DB level for volume 05.54.29 # RotAtoR: but i did make patches for snake, snake2, bricks, and astroids 05.54.36 # lostlogic: Oops. Somehow my durations were both set to 0s... which would cause no crossfade, right? I wonder how that happened 05.54.54 # I basicly want all the neat features of rockbox but it to look like the normal firmware. I bet I can't do that though. 05.54.56 # MTWomg: You can set it to show volume as a triangle instead of numeric 05.55.01 # RotAtoR: would you mind taking a look at them? they're my first attempts at hacking rockbox :) 05.55.01 # punkrockguy318: i saw that, they all make the same changes? 05.55.09 # punkrockguy318, good.. 05.55.21 # looks like I have a lot of manual reading to do 05.55.35 # RotAtoR: yes, except the programs i hacked where already button_get(false) 05.55.45 # unlike jewels 05.55.49 # punkrockguy318: i'll take a look tomorrow, it's rather late here and i'm heading to bed soon ;) 05.55.51 # lostlogic: Okay, now with a full buffer, next-track crossfades work fine, even with codec switches. 05.56.07 # RotAtoR: yeah, it's late here as well. see you around! :) 05.56.19 # where can I download rockbox themes? 05.56.28 # lostlogic: In fact, even with just ONE song buffered (initial start of playback) and 10 seconds into the song, a next-track crossfade happened fine. 05.56.40 # MTWomg: The WpsGallery wiki page is the best overall source 05.56.50 # midkay: i learned quite a bit tonight about input and hold 05.56.59 # got a link? 05.57.08 # I just told you exactly where it is... 05.57.16 # midkay: next time i get a chance to code I think i'll try to hack up some hold functionality in the simulator 05.57.23 # I know, but I'm lazy 05.57.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok, thanks much, I'll leave the bug posted to remind me to keep looking for anythign that might cause it. 05.57.31 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.57.31 # punkrockguy318, good :) ah, cool, i thought it already worked. 05.57.32 # midkay: it's quite cumersome to have to test every change with the hold function ON the ipod 05.57.37 # nevermind 05.57.44 # Paul_The_Nerd: specifically I still wonder why the pcm buffer tends to drop more than I'd expect on a non-codec change track change. 05.57.47 # lostlogic: Well, I was testing on an iPod, but it's a Nano. The lack of disk-spinup may make a small difference. 05.57.50 # punkrockguy318, hm, i prefer to do all testing on-device.. 05.57.51 # midkay: does it? i couldn't find a key for it 05.58.00 # Paul_The_Nerd: that may be the difference even... 05.58.13 # punkrockguy318, i remember seeing a recent commit for the simulator to do with locking buttons, i *think*. 05.58.23 # Is anyone putting in the pause when headphone cord is removed feature? The default firmware has it 05.58.30 # lostlogic: It's only been reported on iPods though, right? 05.59.00 # punkrockguy318, april 12: "Patch 5107 from Steve Bavin, enable locking on sdl sim, now mutexes actually MUT EX on the SDL sim" 05.59.10 # Paul_The_Nerd: unsure, I think so. 05.59.31 # lostlogic, that was your commit, wasn't it? does locking work or what? 05.59.32 # Paul_The_Nerd: I haven't been separating bugs between ipods and coldfires, but if this is related to CPU power neesd, then it coudl be ipod specific 05.59.35 # button hold? 05.59.36 # anyone? :( 05.59.37 # lostlogic: Well, I just tried on H120. I started a track, waited 3 or 4 seconds, hit next track, and it did a perfect 2 second crossfade 05.59.47 # midkay: works the same as it does on target now afaics 05.59.49 # MTWomg, the feature isn't in and probably won't be too soon.. 05.59.53 # :( 05.59.57 # lostlogic, cool. 06.00.03 # lostlogic: So, basically, H120 and iPod Nano don't easily let me trigger it. 06.00.09 # MTWomg, is it a priority for you? how often do you need to use it? :) 06.00.17 # Paul_The_Nerd: thanks, I feel better :) 06.00.24 # midkay: all the time 06.00.25 # there's a lot more going on than pausing playback when you disconnect the headphone cord. 06.00.28 # now it really is sleep time, g'night rockbox! 06.00.36 # night lostlogic :) 06.00.48 # MTWomg: I think there might be a patch for it, if you feel like learning to compile. 06.00.54 # I can use a c compiler 06.00.58 # But I hate to 06.01.12 # midkay: I took a look at his patch, but I don't see anything that allows you to toggle the lock :-\ 06.01.27 # punkrockguy318, hold on.. 06.02.16 # K, so far I got the volume setting and other things (font, etc) how I want them 06.02.20 # now to check out those themes 06.02.20 # brb 06.02.42 # punkrockguy318, aha, no, it's not implemented. 06.02.43 # #ifdef HAS_BUTTON_HOLD 06.02.43 # bool button_hold(void) { 06.02.43 DBUG Enqueued KICK midkay 06.02.43 # /* temp fix for hold button on irivers */ 06.02.43 # return false; 06.02.43 *** Alert Mode level 1 06.02.43 # } 06.02.45 # #endif 06.02.48 # .. for the sim. 06.02.59 # shouldn't be too hard a .. um.. 06.04.39 # hmm, i'll have to check it out next time.. it's too late tonight 06.06.19 # midkay: Well, it's bedtime for me. Thanks for all your help! If you don't mind, would you take a look at those patches and see it they're commit worthy when you get the chance? Thanks! See you around! Happy easter! 06.06.36 # punkrockguy318, i sure will, thanks, you too. night. :) 06.06.44 Quit punkrockguy318 ("Ex-Chat") 06.06.45 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodMini <-- lol, only two mini WPS files are there 06.06.49 # luckly I like the first one 06.07.05 # MTWomg: Well, if you don't feel there's enough, feel free to create some 'n add 'em 06.07.14 # MTWomg, i wouldn't call having awful judgment "lucky", but.. suit yourself. 06.07.20 # jk ;) 06.07.26 # ! 06.07.33 # It's either dancing megaman or the first one 06.07.51 # yes, and "luckily" *cough* you like the first one, when clearly dancing megamen pwn the crap out of boring text!! 06.07.56 # lol 06.08.00 # so...how do I install themese 06.08.01 # hehehe 06.08.02 # *themes 06.08.39 # wait 06.08.42 # I think I figured it out 06.08.54 # good job, since nobody was about to explain anyways! 06.09.03 # nope. 06.09.06 # didn't work 06.09.08 # help 06.09.13 # okay, okay. you need to unzip them! 06.09.22 # and put them where? 06.09.39 # .wps file and bitmap folder go in /.rockbox/wps 06.09.44 # .cfg file goes in /.rockbox/themes 06.09.53 # what bmp 06.09.59 # I don't see any on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodMini#Clean_Terminus_14 06.10.02 # Not all of them have a folder of bitmaps 06.10.09 # MTWomg, what's in the zip file? 06.10.12 # For example, the one you want is JUST a .wps file 06.10.19 # midkay: That one's all oldschool. Text-only WPS 06.10.27 # yeah, I got the .wps 06.10.43 # Put that in the wps folder under .rockbox 06.10.53 # Paul_The_Nerd, hm.. alright.. you seem to have it under control :) 06.10.58 # done 06.11.01 # what's next? 06.11.05 # Then in General Settings choose Display Options, and then Browse WPS (if my memory serves) 06.12.29 # worked 06.12.30 # thanks 06.12.40 # how do I get it to use it's theme? 06.12.42 # wait 06.12.43 # nevermind 06.12.44 *** Alert Mode OFF 06.13.07 # just got it's font working as well 06.14.10 # It's just a WPS file. It's not a full theme anyway 06.14.25 # Theme's are usually distributed as a .zip because they consist of at least a .cfg and a .wps 06.14.27 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.14.27 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.15.18 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzzzz") 06.29.24 Quit MTWomg () 06.36.10 Quit robin__ (Remote closed the connection) 06.36.42 Join robin_ [0] (n=robin@debian.demon.nl) 06.45.49 # :'( WTF is nero trying to se my dvd burner as a cd burner when im trying to burn my 4gb iso with a dvd-r in the drive?? 06.46.07 # Because Nero is really REALLY annoying like that 06.46.12 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 06.46.31 # i love how it says it will try burning at 92x! 06.54.25 Quit vmx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.54.28 Join vmx [0] (i=oma@p549B511C.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.56.51 Join Psykus [0] (i=0_o@205.244.97.95) 06.57.03 # Does anyone know if our Ogg codec is capable of handling .ogg files with multiple logical streams? 06.57.48 # ..only 1 way to find out... 06.57.48 # hey, trying to restore an ipod video from rockbox, the executable ipodpatcher.exe is refusing to restore the original bootloader because it doesn't recognize the device as an ipod...i had imaged the drive sometime after I installed rockbox for something else 06.58.08 # and i'm sure I have the right device number 06.58.35 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.58.50 # i didn't see any sort of force option, which would be ideal for this situation 06.59.18 # JdGordon: Well, somebody's having troubles with some. So I was curious if anyone knew if that was supposed to happen 06.59.27 # ok 06.59.31 # the ipod restore app won't recognize the device with the rockbox bootloader I think 06.59.52 # Psykus: Format the device entirely, and then the ipod restore app should recognize it. 07.00.00 # nope, already did that 07.00.10 # Psykus: Hopefully you did that AFTER ipodpatcher failed to work 07.00.23 # Because otherwise, that's why ipodpatcher doesn't work 07.00.58 # is there any way to force ipodpatcher to restore the bootloader? 07.01.09 # But for me it's always worked to format the entire ipod to NTFS and then run the restore tool on it (sometimes I needed to reboot. The restore tool is iffy) 07.01.27 # Psykus: Why are you so focused on ipodpatcher? 07.01.38 # i've already tried formatting 07.01.46 # Well, at this point it's in Apple's book. 07.01.53 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 07.01.53 # * JdGordon stabs nero repeatadly... 07.02.07 # suppose i'll try rebooting 07.02.07 # If you've reformatted no Rockbox software exists on there any more. In fact, it's in the exact same state if you'd formatted it without ever having installed rockbox 07.02.14 # JdGordon, did you select the correct device mode? "DVD" instead of "CD". 07.02.16 # ah 07.02.23 # midkay: ye 07.02.27 # i figured it might be seperate 07.02.32 # JdGordon, are you trying to burn an image? 07.02.46 # ah, yes. i had that before too.. are you using nero express? 07.02.47 # ye, ok i just realised the image is 8gb.. not 4 07.02.50 # could be why :p 07.02.51 # Nah. Your ipod now has nothing Rockbox related on it, so the problems relate to it and the apple restore tool. 07.02.53 # haha. 07.03.20 # k, rebooting now 07.03.30 Quit Psykus (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.04.18 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 07.04.23 Join webguest09 [0] (n=3d021037@labb.contactor.se) 07.06.32 # hi 07.07.50 Quit webguest09 (Client Quit) 07.08.12 # Well, that was special 07.08.22 # indeed 07.08.35 # touched my heart with his patience 07.11.10 # Can't you actually pick a nickname with the webchat? 07.11.23 # yeh 07.11.33 # Paul_The_Nerd, i don't think most of the users that use the webchat know what the "nick" field is for. 07.11.43 # no, i dont think they so 07.11.47 # nor would they if it were changed to "name".. 07.12.10 # So change it to "What do you want to be called?" 07.12.13 # No, scratch that 07.12.20 # * Paul_The_Nerd does not want to see a "PimpMastah" in here. 07.12.28 # lol 07.12.48 # * BHSPitLappy is now known as PimpMastah 07.13.14 Join PimpMastah [0] (i=ScorchE@208.110.158.140) 07.13.26 # scorche! 07.13.32 # midkay! 07.13.47 # i=ScorchE@208.110.158.140 FTL 07.14.26 # so will the rockboxorz help me to get the chicks? 07.14.47 # hell ye! 07.14.53 # hawt 07.15.22 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 07.16.03 Part PimpMastah ("well, that was oddly fulfilling") 07.16.49 Quit mikearthur (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.21.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.22.23 Quit raybert ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 07.27.18 # can any1 help me with my unix tools assignments?? "Use a loop, read, expr and echo to produce a file Totals containing a line for each student who has 07.27.18 # a practical assessment that has an ID, followed by a : character and a total for up to three practical 07.27.18 # assessments, followed by a : character and an average practical mark." 07.39.39 # haha, my comp is crapping itself trying to do 2 video encoding and my general work all at once :D 07.40.07 # haha. 07.41.21 # cpu is only @ 50C tho with the fan off.. 07.41.38 # turned it back on tho coz the vidcard was getting too hot and was doing funny stuff.. 07.41.41 # what processor? 07.41.44 # haha. 07.41.48 # celly 2.4 07.42.08 # afk, vomiting! ;) 07.42.13 # haha 07.42.24 # midkay: i wouldnt do that before you see the specs on this system 07.42.42 # scorche, quickly, before it's too late! 07.44.57 # [Uptime] 46 days, 18 min :: [CPU] 1-Pentium MMX @ 166MHz (31% load) :: [Memory] 41M Used, 60M Total (30% Free) :: [Video] S3 Inc. 86c325 [ViRGE] (800x600/24 Bit/73Hz) :: [Disk] 2.94G Used, 14.85G Total (75% Free) :: [Network] Linksys Network Everywhere Fast Ethernet 10/100 model NC100 (eth0: 346.96M In, 95.98M Out 07.45.30 # haha. 07.46.26 # this is my upcoming fileserver that i am too lazy to upgrade with my spare mobo/cpu 07.46.48 # but alas, i have many things to get done before i play 07.47.04 # whee. 07.47.29 # on a side note, i am hungry 07.49.20 # ah, now i get it. 07.50.06 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 07.57.47 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 08.02.47 Join _jim_fear [0] (n=noway@ool-44c515a9.dyn.optonline.net) 08.02.51 Join JBGood [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 08.03.04 # <_jim_fear> hey i am having a few issues with rockbox on my iriver h340 08.03.06 # <_jim_fear> anyone around? 08.04.42 # nope 08.04.45 # dead time 08.05.10 # <_jim_fear> yeah i noticed 08.05.14 # <_jim_fear> im having random skipping problems 08.05.15 # <_jim_fear> which suck 08.05.26 # <_jim_fear> while browsing through directories 08.05.54 # turn off everything that uses cpu 08.06.11 # <_jim_fear> hmm like... 08.06.18 # especially equalizer and WPS graphics and peak meters (although the latter two don't matter when browsing, I don't think) 08.06.19 # peak meters 08.06.34 # <_jim_fear> i havent even had a chance to mess with peak meters yet =) 08.06.37 # EQ, crossfeed.. 08.06.40 # they do cause, they are still running i believe 08.06.48 # <_jim_fear> wait u can turn those off 08.06.57 # <_jim_fear> o i guess u can turn the eq off i didnt think of that 08.07.31 # hmm.. 08.07.42 # * midkay contemplates trying and possibly committing JdGordon's viewer patch. 08.07.54 # no... dont... 08.07.56 # :p 08.08.00 # it might also help to turn up the anti-skip buffer but I'm not sure 08.08.01 # oh, alright. 08.08.08 # *closes firefox 'patches' window* 08.08.22 # <_jim_fear> Galois do u know if i need to reboot the system after i change the antiskip buffer? 08.08.32 # <_jim_fear> cuz i turned it all the way up to 10 mins didnt reboot and just went back 08.08.35 # <_jim_fear> it still had the issue 08.08.53 # the other things like eq,crossfade, peak meters are more important 08.09.07 # <_jim_fear> that sucks 08.09.15 # <_jim_fear> i mean i can do without the crossfade 08.09.22 # <_jim_fear> but the eq i just set up perfect for my car lol 08.09.36 # _jim_fear, antiskip will not help the stuttering. 08.10.14 # mp3 is simply not yet to the point where it plays back fine with the EQ on, regardless of crossfeed, graphics, peak meters or anything else. eq kills it, anything else just adds to the performance penalty. 08.10.41 # <_jim_fear> so if i turn off the eq 08.10.45 # <_jim_fear> it shouldnt stutter like that? 08.11.01 # as long as most other stuff is off. crossfeed will probably hurt a lot too.. 08.12.21 # <_jim_fear> ok ill have to try that 08.14.41 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.14.50 Join cs-cam [0] (n=cam@ppp121-85.lns1.bne3.internode.on.net) 08.15.12 Join webguest26 [0] (n=3ba77955@labb.contactor.se) 08.15.23 # good morning 08.15.29 Part webguest26 08.15.34 # morning amiconn 08.15.34 # morning 08.16.41 # i installed rockbox on a ipod color but it stays stuck at the splash on boot 08.17.33 # any ideas? 08.17.46 # u got the .rockbox folder? 08.18.47 # yep 08.19.01 # i installed it from windows earlier today and sometimes it would boot sometimes it wouldn't 08.19.10 # amiconn, what is the chessbox "opening book"? 08.19.34 # so i restored the ipod with the apple software and reinstalled rockbox with linux and i'm not getting any further 08.21.21 Join webguest82 [0] (n=cdd0eda5@labb.contactor.se) 08.21.42 # oh 08.21.50 # are there any logs or a way i can see whats going wrong during boot/ 08.21.53 # ? 08.22.12 # dunno 08.25.19 Quit webguest82 (Client Quit) 08.26.01 # midkay: Well, it's an opening book for chess. Most chess programs have that 08.26.52 # Computers are particularly poor at chess opening and end-game 08.27.30 # ..so they use a library of known openings to solve the former problem 08.28.18 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-95.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.29.14 # Hmm, it's correct what Moos and RotAtoR discovered - Bagder's optimisation may break partial lcd updates, in 50% of the cases 08.29.25 # (on X5) 08.29.34 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 08.30.14 # Also in 50% of the cases (independent from the 50% where update is broken), the desired speedup doesn't happen 08.31.45 # I already pointed out the latter shortly after Bagder's commit... 08.32.02 # is there something i can do to be able to see whats happening during boot up? 08.33.23 # cs-cam: logf 08.33.31 # and morning :) 08.34.11 # Slasheri: morning ;) i need to build my own rockbox to enable that hey? 08.34.25 # <_jim_fear> can i change the speed in which if you hold down it scrolls through directories 08.34.34 # <_jim_fear> cuz all i have on is the eq nothing else 08.36.14 # cs-cam: yep, correct. Then it can be used to follow the boot up process at real time from a remote lcd controller, or to be dumped to disk from the debug menu later 08.38.44 Quit _jim_fear ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 08.39.17 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 08.41.07 # amiconn, ah, so it's like.. preset moves or something? 08.43.33 # yes 08.47.51 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 08.49.03 Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.50.31 # Whoa! The x5 i2c driver for the pcf50606 looks like it's teh slowness... and it's used in the button tick like on H300 08.50.42 # It will literally eat cpu cycles... 08.51.06 Quit robin_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.51.36 # Someone with an x5 should perform a test: Run test_fps at 11MHz, first normal and the with button hold enabled. 08.51.56 # I bet the latter will be at least twice as fast... 08.56.00 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.15.86) 08.56.17 # Morning... 08.56.21 # hi 08.57.11 # Anyone know if the SDL sim should be playing audio in VMWare image correctly - mine is skipping like a bouncy thing... 08.57.57 # Well not so much skipping as taking 20 second to decode 3 second of audio with big gaps between! 08.58.04 # It's skipping since some point in lostlogic's rework 08.58.13 # http://www.dkbnews.com/img/2005/02/123/daem6.jpg 08.58.27 # OK, cool, as long as I havent feckup my installation :D 08.58.50 # How much it skips depends on OS and sound card driver 08.59.17 # Didn't notice before, I only managed to get audio working at all in vmware yesterday evening 08.59.28 # the delay loop might be too big. lowering that should help 09.00.14 # that's in uisimulator/sdl/thread-sdl.c 09.00.25 # you need to make the yield not to sleep so often 09.03.36 # We need to sleep a bit on the sim, otherwise it will eat 100% cpu even if idling 09.03.44 # sleep on yield, that is 09.04.13 # we can sleep in the yield, but not everytime 09.04.21 # for example every 5th call to the sleep 09.04.26 # *yield 09.04.30 # 100% CPu are absolutely undesirable when developing on a laptop. (1) Noise and (2) battery runtime when dev'ing on-the-go 09.04.42 # that would keep the cpu usage low 09.05.07 # hmm 09.05.28 # big problem 09.05.30 # Noise? 09.06.13 # Yes, noise. There are those CPU fans... 09.06.25 # Ah 09.06.28 Quit ProgramZeta ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 09.06.35 Join VoltageX [0] (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 09.06.45 # has hcl been active? 09.06.53 # playing a song and a marked song are different. 09.07.27 # Jungti1234: well, you should tell lostlogic that 09.07.39 # um? 09.08.04 # Jungti1234: how old is your build? 09.08.29 # Isn't my problem. 09.09.07 # Some Koreans have the problem. 09.09.15 # and 09.09.22 # Well, while this has been a problem with recent builds, it *may* not be a problem now, as a lot of work has gone into fixing it, so it's important to know if this bug exists in the newest version. 09.09.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: does something need testing? 09.10.04 # reboot, brb 09.10.07 Quit amiconn (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 09.10.24 # When next time music plays, makes strange sounds. 09.10.58 # VoltageX: Not so much at the moment. Many/most of the playback glitches seem to be ironed out, with a few very notable exceptions relating to seeking outside the buffer (especially in exceptionally long file) but apparently lostlogic has a plan to tackle that. So really, we need to see what bugs show up *after* the next change he makes 09.11.24 # Jungti1234: That definitely sounds like the problem the old version had. Can you find out how old their download is, and if it's not the newest CVS Build, have them try that? 09.11.49 # okok 09.13.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok, happy to run cvs on my player and help out 09.14.12 # VoltageX: Well, the current CVS one should be *pretty* good. Though of course, if you get reproduceable problems other than seeking outside the buffer, reports are always welcome 09.14.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: yesterdays CVS was thrashing the hard drive in the H340 a hell of a lot 09.14.37 # VoltageX: There have been some reports of Crossfade problems, but I personally can't cause them to reproduce at all 09.14.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: also wps took a very very long time to change (30sec-2min) 09.15.03 # Hmmm 09.15.31 # just gonna grab the latest CVS now 09.15.43 # gah, gonna have to reapply my patches 09.15.49 # That sounds more like disk fragmentation or something else, rather than a Rockbox thing 09.16.04 # I don't think there's been any changes recently that would affect WPS loading 09.16.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: I have been moving a lot of files around with it, should I try a normal windows defrag? 09.17.01 # You could, though windows defrag likes to have 15% or more free. At the very least have it check the drive for fragmentation and see how bad it says it is. 09.17.25 # But you may be better off just deleting everything with a quick-format and then copying everything over again in one swoop 09.17.29 # i've tried defragging over usb. it's horribly slow 09.17.33 # ok 09.17.34 # easier to reformat the silly thing and copy the files over again 09.17.38 # ashridah: USB2? 09.17.47 # yes 09.17.50 # even over usb2 09.17.53 # ok 09.17.57 # will do 09.18.03 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 09.18.15 # just got to figure out whether I have copies of everything on the player 09.18.22 # Hehehe 09.18.50 # anyone know if there is a way to convert an archos jukebox recorder pre-V2 to USB2? 09.21.37 # No, that's not possible 09.21.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.22.20 # V1 recorders came both as USB1.1 and USB2.0 though. At least the 20GB models were USB2.0 09.22.43 # i hvae a 15 09.22.49 # well, 160 gig now =) 09.23.18 # just wish it was usb2 09.24.04 # why is it not possible? 09.24.20 # It's a different bridge chip, which is not pin compatible 09.24.41 # ah 09.24.43 # Btw, you may be lucky with the USB1.1 bridge and your 160GB disk 09.24.51 # oh? 09.25.23 # The USB2.0 bridge does the USB<->ATA handling itself, and doesn't support LBA48, i.e. disks >128GB (136GB as the manufacturers are counting) 09.25.23 # i was not sure if it was going to work, but it did 09.26.02 # The USB1.1 chip doesn't handle it all by itself, that's why you need a special driver 09.26.03 # Man, I hate that whole 1GB = 1,000,000,000 bytes bs. 09.26.12 # 1024 ;) 09.26.47 # scorche: I bet a 160GB disk will work in an USB2.0 recorder as well, just one has to be *very* careful about the partitioning 09.26.50 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-81-7.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.27.00 # how so? 09.27.22 # (this is one of the new perpendicular drives if you hadnt already assumed so) 09.27.28 # The partition should not exceed the 128GB barrier, otherwise hasty things will happen when the system tries to write above that barrier 09.27.39 # help 09.27.57 # formatting my H300: volume is too big for FAT32 09.28.21 # hmm mustnta touched the drive 09.28.28 # rockbox still loads 09.28.28 # Since the bridge cannot address sectors above 128GB, it will probably map the sectors modulo 128GB, i.e. back to the beginning of the disk... 09.28.36 # ouch 09.28.49 # Yes, real ouch 09.28.58 # this is the 2.0 bridge we are talking about? 09.29.01 # VoltageX: Use Swissknife or some other tool to format, rather than Windows 09.29.02 # yes 09.29.14 # what about the 1.1 bridge? 09.29.19 # I'm not sure whether it will also happen with the 1.1 bridge. It might 09.29.38 # is it fat32 by default? 09.29.41 # i should test this... 09.29.43 # I have had a fiddle with the delay in thread-sdl.c and nothing really makes much difference... except I had to kill the process at some settings (no responsive) 09.30.05 # Rockbox also doesn't implement LBA48 09.30.41 # This is fixable although far from trivial 09.30.48 # VoltageX: Yes, it's fat32 but windows doesn't like to format Fat32 beyond 32gb because it's crazy. 09.31.13 # M$ wants to force users towards NTFS 09.31.26 # downloading swissknife 09.31.30 # amiconn: i believe that the 1.1 also has the same problem 09.31.43 # any unix scripters here? im having problems with join and its pissing me off :'( 09.31.55 # Capacity: 127 GB 09.32.17 # looks like some partitioning is in order 09.32.36 # Ah, so the drive is clamped? 09.32.48 Join speacial_ed [0] (n=chatzill@00095b0ec047.click-network.com) 09.32.53 # Partitioning won't help exceeding the barrier 09.33.02 # hold on...checking a few things 09.33.03 # It's the sector addressing that is limited 09.33.36 # looks like it is clamped 09.33.54 # 128.00 GB 09.33.58 # I would leave it that way. You are wasting some space on the drive, but your data is safe this way 09.34.12 # i dont care...i got the 300$ drive for 60$ =D 09.34.14 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d001050.adsl.hansenet.de) 09.34.25 # was jewels fubared in cvs recently? 09.34.40 # Not that I know of, why? 09.34.58 # Paul_The_Nerd: just froze rockbox completely 09.35.15 # i.e. paperclip reset needed 09.35.21 # Just playing jewels? 09.35.29 # so as it is, it will not have the aformentioned effect? 09.35.35 # nope 09.36.22 # The drive should have 149 "real" GB, 21 of which you can't use (or about 14%). Not too much of a waste, imho 09.36.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: start rockbox --> browse plugins --> open chessbox --> play with chessbox for a bit --> close chessbox --> open jewels --> Play New Game --> freeze :( 09.36.29 # would it do the same thing on a 2.0 bridge? 09.36.34 # yes 09.36.54 # and for 60$, i am very happy i have any room at all 09.37.06 # The bridge chips are too old, and can't handle the addressing mode needed for >128GB 09.37.28 # The same goes for the USB->ATA bridge in the irivers 09.37.35 # and like you said, they cannot be replaced for new ones? 09.37.56 # (but it's less likely that 1.8" drives will exceed the 128GB limit too soon) 09.38.11 # VoltageX: Two questions- Can you reproduce it, and if so, how? 09.38.12 # amiconn: an 80gb 1.8" drive is $400AUD anyways so you'd have to be crazy to replace it unless repairs cost more than that 09.38.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'll try with the latest CVS after I format the drive 09.39.07 # VoltageX: Specifically, how much do I need to do in chessbox (as jewels hasn't been changed recently but chessbox has.) 09.40.25 # VoltageX: Right now, yes. But these units will likely be around for a longer time, and at some point in the future 1.8" disks >128GB will be available, and people will want to put them in their players... 09.40.53 # perpendicular recording 09.41.24 # These mp3 beasts tend to stay around for quite some time. Thinking of the archoses.. 09.41.34 # i love mine 09.41.50 # Paul_The_Nerd: I actually couldn't figure out how to play :P - about 5 illegal moves then I hit play 3 times (moves the computer) 09.42.33 # honestly, there arent any other players out there that i would rather have...size is a downside, but i can do pretty much anything i want with it 09.42.44 # also, not being able to read other formats 09.42.56 # but, it is better than having something like an ipod 09.43.42 # You have a recorder? 09.43.46 # yup 09.43.49 # 2 actually 09.43.56 # but one that i use 09.44.07 # Then you can play wav with a recent-enough daily... 09.44.14 # i know 09.44.19 # but not flac etc 09.44.22 # wav (and aiff) playback will be integrated in the 3.1 release 09.44.49 # what does the is in the way message from cvs mean? 09.45.04 Quit speacial_ed ("Bye") 09.45.20 # Flac is probably too heavy for the poor little archos cpu, but we will try. Perhaps we manage to get it working 09.45.24 # it means a file exists in the file tree that it doesn't want to overwrite 09.45.43 # amiconn: if you ever need any help with testing or the ilk... 09.45.45 # i'd say you applied a patch or something, and a file with the same name (possibly the same patch) has been merged) 09.45.54 # What will probably be possible (and imho a very nice thing) is playing tracker modules, like ProTracker etc 09.46.41 # question about runtime estimation on ipod(nano), if I understood correctly, the lifetime is simply linear interpolation based on voltage values alone? 09.46.45 # amiconn: which I"ve recently been going on and on and on about :) 09.46.54 # I'll also have a go at wav recording after the freeze (if [IDC]Dragon doesn't do it before me) 09.48.47 # He said he tried, but didn't get it working. 09.49.08 # Deja vu.... same happened with his wavplay. 09.49.24 # (it's a time issue, I know) 09.49.50 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.29 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 09.54.25 # amiconn: well thanks for the discussion...and if there is anything i can do to help, let me know 09.59.09 Quit wehn () 10.00.57 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@c-24-13-149-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.01.05 Quit aegray_ (Client Quit) 10.01.17 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@c-24-13-149-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 10.01.20 # is there a way to read current draw from battery on the ipod? 10.03.34 Quit aegray_ (Client Quit) 10.09.46 Join bluebrother [0] (n=Dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 10.29.20 # Slasheri: Dunno whether you've read the log; chunked browsing works very well. Tried the latest tagcache both on archos recorder and ipod mini 10.30.19 # But I have a question - is there a reason why tagcache doesn't use the localised strings for 'Artists', 'Albums' etc? 10.31.20 Quit Jungti1234 () 10.31.26 # amiconn: yes, i read the log. that sounds very good :) 10.31.47 # Also, the progress display in the splash doesn't seem to work right. It shows 0 (sometimes 1) found, then waits a while, and then the search ends, with all entries it should find 10.31.51 # amiconn: the reason for the missing localisation at the moment is that the tag browser menu is defined in tagnavi.config -file 10.32.09 # i have not yet got an idea how to localise those strings 10.32.09 # Ah, so it's completely defined there? 10.32.15 # yes 10.33.05 # hmm. 10.33.46 # amiconn: it's not always possible to update the progress display, for example some complex searches might take a long time while tagcache caches the seek tables in memory 10.34.08 # and in that time, the browser just waits for the tagcache engine to finish the query 10.34.55 # Hmm, okay. Soit's just a rough progress display 10.35.17 # If that's documented, I don't think it's a problem. I just wondered... 10.35.29 # yep. or it is possible to make it more responsive by lowering the tagcache engine cache table size, but that would make some searches slower 10.36.18 # Displaying the ~3000 songs on my archos ("Songs" from the root) takes ~2 seconds 10.36.20 # Is there somewhere that the syntax for tagnavi.config is listed? 10.36.34 # hehe, that's quite fast 10.36.38 # yes 10.36.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: no good documentation for the syntax yet.. 10.37.01 # Are there searches that might be slower? 10.37.03 # but looking at the examples might give some ideas 10.37.25 # Slasheri: Well, my confusion was relating to the ~ in the examples 10.37.54 # If not, we might drop the progress display, and just display a simple 'Loading...' (or 'Searching...') splash 10.37.57 # amiconn: hmm, well, defining a search with more conditional tags or referring to other tags in the search clauses, will make the search slower 10.38.51 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 10.38.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: that means that the condition will be true is we find an occurrance of the given string in anywhere in the tag 10.39.16 # Ah, so "Heavy Metal" and "Metal" both are true for ~ metal 10.39.17 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd03f.f.strato-dslnet.de) 10.39.29 # = tries to find excactly matching tag, and ^ a tag beginning with the given string 10.39.33 # yes 10.40.11 # Okay, can you put more than one thing on a given level? 10.40.16 # an empty string "" opens a query window 10.40.22 # Slasheri: Hmm. I think we need to find a solution for the localisation problem. This also prevents voicing, so the tagcache isn't usable for the blind 10.40.24 # yep 10.40.37 # amiconn: hmm, true.. 10.40.59 # We could spell out everything, but that's cumbersome... 10.41.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: currently all conditions are "anded", there is no "or" yet 10.41.35 # Slasheri: The ipod has an "All songs" option on each layer. So if I pick an artist, I see each Album by that artist, plus a link to all songs by that artist. Would that be : album song : or is there no proper syntax to do that yet? 10.41.43 # Oh 10.42.05 # that's not yet possible 10.42.14 # but will be implemented later :) 10.42.16 # Okay 10.42.26 # Slasheri: How is tagnavi.config parsed? 10.42.36 # No rush from me, as I'm a Filetree person, but it does seem a popular request. 10.42.39 # amiconn: tagtree_init() parses it at boot time 10.43.41 # and the well parsed structures are passed to the tagcache engine at search time 10.45.01 # We could localise the standard cases, but that means more code... 10.45.29 # You could allow the use of localization tokens in the tagnavi.config 10.45.31 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 10.45.43 # Instead of the string in "", tagnavi.config could contain the string ids as a literal 10.45.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: ah, that sounds like a good idea 10.45.52 # true 10.46.16 # ...and the parser would then fill in the proper string from the language string array 10.46.45 # For this to work, it would need a ID->numeric id mapping list 10.49.21 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 10.50.43 # Somehow I don't really like this approach, but then I don't see a different possibility right now 10.52.01 # at least that approach made the code in fact a way simpler than it was before (except the parser part) 10.52.27 # another possibility could be to embed the configuration in the code.. but then user couldn't easily define own searches 10.53.26 # We could do a mix. Embed the standard searches in the code, and let the user define additional ones in tagnavi.config 10.53.38 # Same way as the filetypes are handled... 10.53.39 # That seems best to me, actually 10.54.00 # Genre, Album, Artist, and All Songs, and their subcategories, could be preset and localized. 10.54.02 # hmm, that is probably a good way to do it 10.54.29 Part arse_ ("parse error") 10.54.41 # I'd say Genre, Artist, Album, Song and their 'Search...' variants are standard 10.55.02 # They were standard with tagdb (iirc) 10.55.35 # I think for the front page there should just be "Search" and then, when you select it, a list of possible tags to search is made available. 10.55.50 # It seems a little cluttered to have all three search variants on the front page. 10.58.09 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-21-42.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.59.22 # in future that configuration possibility would enable user to do smart playlists also, like "Best songs" song ? score > "80" 10.59.53 # does the iPod nano have multie processors? 11.00.17 # Slasheri: Wouldn't you just need to add score as a supported tag, and then you'd already have that feature? 11.00.27 # dj-fu: It has two cores, yes. 11.00.45 # hax 11.01.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: basically yes, adding it would be really simple. But it requires some additional feature to the tagcache engine too (like proper support of modification the tags and importing & exporting data) 11.01.35 # Slasheri: Yeah. I know there's nothing like RuntimeDB yet. 11.02.22 # when the engine would be prepared to modify data on the fly, then i think it would be a powerful runtimedb too 11.04.01 Quit bluebrother ("Verlassend") 11.05.04 # it's just necessary that there is the possibility to export all modified data to a changelog file and import that file when regenerating the database. And it would be nice if that file could be processed with PC too to be able to do permament modifications to the real tags stored in the files 11.05.47 # Or a plugin. ;-) 11.05.54 # TagUpdate.rock 11.05.57 # hehe, yeah :) 11.08.52 # probably the biggest issue would be how to individualize the files.. so should we take a checksum or something like that from the file headers when building the database and use that to connect the tagcache entries to real files.. that would cause performance loss and the possibility of having same checksums with more than one entries 11.11.12 # unless checksums are used, statistical data could be lost if file is renamed or something like that 11.11.18 # having the same checksum for two different files is pretty damned rare, but if that's the case, is it really a problem? in the extremely rare instance, it just means you get a false positive on both, and rescan both occasionally. 11.11.40 # Slasheri: I think if the user renames his files before telling it to update the tags on them, that's their own problem 11.11.48 # i'd agree 11.12.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, yep.. probably it would be best not to use checksums at all 11.12.36 # Slasheri: I think simply filenames (or whatever method is used to track down the file when one clicks play on it) should be more than enough. ;-) 11.12.52 # Slasheri: i'd just do a checksum on just the filename itself 11.13.29 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.13.33 # use something cheap like crc32 11.13.34 # ashridah: well, then it would be better to use the filename as the "checksum" itself =) 11.14.00 # at least there wouldn't be the risk of duplicate checksum entries then 11.14.16 # Slasheri: not really, if you include size and modtime or something somehow, then it changes if the file's got the same name but is still a different file 11.14.43 # after all, potentially all this info could be dredged from dircache, which means no disk access to get it (doesn't it?) 11.15.03 # dircache may need updating to add a few extra bits of uniqueness 11.15.17 # yep, in fact dircache already has that info available 11.15.20 # but lets face it, it's going to be pretty rare to have the same filename, same size, AND same modtime... 11.15.45 # if it does, i'd be more inclined to suspect a screwup in the directory tables :) 11.15.54 # hehe, true. but with crc32 it's still possible, that different entries would generate the same checksum 11.16.03 Join bluey [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-104-124.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.16.20 # you could checksum the first x bytes of data in the file 11.16.24 # true, but that just means occasionally we have to do a more detailed check 11.16.34 # after all, there are plenty of resolution schemes for hash collisions 11.16.53 # dj-fu: that means hitting the disk, and what happens if someone's retagged it and tags are at the front? 11.17.04 # ah, word 11.18.16 # heh. i should probably shut up and go back to making my encrypted peer2peer chat app for uni. 11.18.50 # ashridah :D a new "irc killer" app? =) 11.18.56 # nah 11.18.58 # nothing special 11.19.29 # ashridah: to get around uni rules? or as a project? 11.19.39 # You *could* just compare the existing tags on the file with the ones in TagCache before updating it. 11.19.49 # just sends a local certificate across the wire to the remote end, verifies the remote's cert against a set of locally trusted ones, and if it's trusted, uses the keys contained therein to do keyagreement and then start tripleDES encryption 11.19.56 # JdGordon: project. 11.20.01 # ah ok 11.20.02 # JdGordon: doign a subject on secure programming 11.20.14 # kool 11.20.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, true. But that would make it in fact slower than rebuilding the entire db from scratch 11.20.23 # Slasheri: besides, this is only one endpoint each 11.20.39 # not multi-user. 11.20.44 # Slasheri: Well, I thought this was just for verifying that a file is infact itself. 11.20.56 # so closer to IM really, although a lot bigger of a bitch to do. 11.20.58 # :) 11.21.15 # ashridah: hehe, i wrote in the past a partially working peer2peer radio streamer :) 11.21.45 # ah, plenty of those already on the net. just hook up videolan 11.21.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.22.01 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 11.22.16 # Paul_The_Nerd: hmm, yep. but probably just a simple changelog file would be enough to start with :) 11.22.56 # :) 11.23.12 # Paul_The_Nerd: did you manage to reproduce the chessbox/jewels crash? 11.23.30 # I love you guys 11.23.37 # VoltageX: No. Have you managed to reproduce it with a CVS buidl? 11.23.51 Join Myth1 [0] (n=Muesli24@pD95FD50D.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.23.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: slight issues with my net connection here, downloading CVS now 11.24.01 # hi everyone 11.25.52 # bbl 11.25.54 Part amiconn 11.26.15 # Myth1: hi. 11.26.19 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 11.26.24 # haha.. u scared him away Myth1 11.26.47 # asking too much questions lately ;) 11.29.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: To answer your question about SID in the patch tracker (hopefully Myth1 will correct me if I'm wrong) - yes, the problem is that SIDs are never-ending programs. That's why song length needs to be stored manually, and then the codec can stop the program executing after that time has passed. But the .sid file format doesn't include song length. 11.29.55 # linuxstb: Thanks. It's something I've often been curious about. 11.30.48 # linuxstb: I"m sure I've used a SID plugin in WinAmp that knew what the song length was 11.31.17 # linuxstb: I'd like to be able to set a song length manually if exact times aren't possible 11.31.22 # VoltageX: Apparently those frequently just use a database of known SID songs. 11.31.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: I wonder how hard it is to read that db 11.32.44 # VoltageX: It's not hard at all. The database I've seen (part of HSVC) has the md5 checksum and running time for about 31,000 SID files and is just a simple text file. 11.33.15 # its hvsc! 11.33.24 # So we would need to calculate the MD5 checksum on the loaded SID file, and probably convert the text file to a binary format. 11.33.33 # Ave: Thankyou :) 11.33.34 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54964FA1.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.34.01 # so the subsong selection doesnt exist? 11.34.10 # linuxstb: I'd rather not have my player calculating MD5s 11.34.15 # I'm not sure how to make it easy for a user to add futher entries to the database though. 11.34.27 # maybe an external program to hash SIDs? 11.34.31 # you can pack gapzillion sid songs into a gigabyte.. ah nice 11.34.36 # VoltageX: It's hardly going to kill it to calculate an md5 checksum on < 64KB of data. 11.34.51 # linuxstb: I have no idea how MD5 works :) 11.34.59 # has anyone considered using light packer like lzo for sids? 11.35.08 # or would be be needlessly stupid 11.35.39 # that would be useless because of the clustersize 11.35.40 # Ave: considering, like linuxstb said, <64kb of data, quite excessive 11.36.00 # Rockbox currently only works with a 1 file = 1 track view of the world. Supporting sub-songs would mean fixing that, which isn't trivial. 11.36.09 # aah so even if the file takes 1 kB, 64kB is wasted on disk? 11.36.22 # linuxstb: :( 11.36.24 # No, the "cluster size" - which is (I think) normally 32KB. 11.36.35 # linuxstb: So, that's why an ogg with multiple logical streams would fail then? (I wasn't sure if it'd fail, or just play them sequentially as one long track, or what) 11.36.38 # i.e. each file will consume a multiple of 32KB. 11.36.38 # linuxstb: so subsongs will be RockBox 4.0? 11.36.48 # ok same thing 11.37.03 # too bad, many of the good songs are not the first song in a sid 11.37.05 # VoltageX: I don't believe anyone has committed to adding it. 11.37.19 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 11.37.30 # linuxstb: it seems rockbox needs more devs 11.37.41 # Hmm, I have problems with the current cvs build: Skipping to next next song does not work correctly 11.37.43 # is this known? 11.37.50 # linuxstb: I'm learning C but I'm a few years off hacking rockbox 11.38.21 # Myth1: is it filetype specific? 11.38.36 # Ave: No, its with both SID and mp3 11.38.37 # I had some weird problems with yesterdays code relating to song skip 11.39.00 # The day before yesterday it worked fine 11.39.02 # Myth1: I know SID skipping is dodgy but I haven't had trouble with MP3 11.39.02 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not sure about that - that bug report looks like it is not talking about chained Ogg files (basically just normally Ogg files concatenated together), but rather a single Ogg file with 3 streams multiplexed together, similar to a DVD with 3 audio tracks. But I could be wrong. 11.39.38 # Voltage: Well, now its not only dodgy, it just doesn't work. I press the song skip button and it shows the next song but doesn't start playing 11.39.49 Join vonck [0] (n=mvo@84.25.20.253) 11.40.02 # linuxstb: Well, each of the three streams is different lengths, so I was reading it as if it were chained. 11.40.08 # I was thinking of doing the battery test and see if the voltages are different than what it says in powermgmt.h 11.40.43 # but I dont really see what the code uses for lifetime estimation on ipod nano 11.40.54 # rockboxui tells me "sdl_audio_callback: No Data." 11.41.00 # Paul_The_Nerd: Maybe they are just chained then. Ogg/Vorbis is the codec I'm least familiar with. 11.41.02 # Ave: the code is in powermgmt.c 11.41.09 # there are the volate tables 11.41.14 # *voltage 11.41.33 # linuxstb: Okay. I'll generalize my response then. ;-) 11.42.03 # Myth1: Are you only having problems in the simulator, or is it on your H320 as well? 11.42.03 # Slasheri: yes I see that, but how does it convert the voltage/capacity into actual time if you dont know the current consumption 11.42.15 # Myth1: I'll test skipping out in a second on a H340 11.43.11 # did not try it on the h320, yet. but the problems are happening in the simulator (which worked fine the day before yesterday) 11.43.19 # Myth1: CVS from 30min ago, works skipping MP3s (high bitrate vbr) 11.43.38 # ok, I'll update 11.43.48 # Myth1: Someone posted this bug report as a comment on the patch tracker: "I seem to be getting only "half" of the songs' channels on my Iriver H120, or at least, not the entire output. For a song like Galway_Martin/Arkanoid.sid from the HVSC I only hear the background chords, not the actual melody." 11.44.03 # Myth1: only thing I can see going wrong is it keeps playing the last track for about 2 seconds before skipping 11.44.53 # linuxstb: Thats because Galway Noise & Samples are not included yet. Also it only support Single speed PAL playback and filters are disabled 11.45.21 # VoltageX: I've recognized that, too. Could it be that my insertion buffer is too large? 11.45.47 # Ave: ah, yes. the current consumption should be somewhere in the header file.. 11.46.02 # Myth1: I'm not a dev...yet 11.46.02 # but that's just estimated, and will change a lot depending of the current codec and bitrate 11.46.07 # Myth1: I'm not sure what you mean 11.46.47 # Slasheri: indeed, so we will never have a proper "time left" reading available unless there is a way to read battery current from somewhere in hw 11.47.06 # Myth1: No, I think it's an issue in the core playback code, rather than anything you've done wrong in your codec. 11.47.20 # ah, ok 11.47.59 # Myth1: Yeah, at the moment next-track actions play a fraction of the current track like that (I think only when a buffer fill is needed as part of the action) 11.48.21 # trying to read an unsupported file with the jpeg viewer freezes rockbox 11.48.24 # doh! java.security.InvalidKeyException: No installed provider supports this key: sun.security.provider.DSAPrivateKey 11.48.30 # sodding JCE 11.49.01 # used the wrong type of keyagreement 11.50.17 # yep, the jpeg viewer definately doesn't like PNG 11.50.21 # btw: A CVS related question: If I download the latest source with cvs, apply the diff for sid and the update using cvs: Will the SID-Diff be destroyed or merged? 11.50.31 # Merged. 11.50.36 # ah, thanks 11.51.17 # VoltageX: Since it's named "Jpeg viewer" why are you trying to feed it a png? 11.51.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: to see what happened :) 11.51.49 # Slasheri: its using CURRENT_MAX_CHG of 350 mA for ipod, I think.. 11.51.53 # lol 11.53.34 # or actually its not defined for ipod at all :-\ 11.54.18 # damn nesting ifdefs 11.54.24 # Myth1: playing SID is not working at all for me, and I'm sure I applied the sid diff 11.55.10 # VoltageX: Did you type "make zip" and then unzip the entire zip file to your player? 11.56.43 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 11.56.45 Join Nico_P [0] (i=Nicolas@nas-cbv-9-62-147-112-133.dial.proxad.net) 11.56.57 # do you really need to copy everything, or will rockbox.ipod do in most cases? 11.57.16 # or the "main thing" whatever it is 11.57.17 # or maybe I forgot to apply the sid diff :$ 11.58.08 # Ave: It depends on what you've changed. Sometimes rockbox.ipod will be enough, sometimes just the plugin.rock file, sometimes just the .codec file... 11.58.48 # VoltageX: Do you have the apps/codecs/sid.c file? 11.59.19 # oh yeah, the codecs, dang 12.00.17 # linuxstb: now I"ve built it correctly, trying again 12.00.56 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 12.02.13 # linuxstb: yes, sid.codec was built 12.02.19 # this has gotta be the most active dev channel i've seen in ages 12.03.05 Quit vonck ("Ik ga weg") 12.03.51 # dj-fu: must be the slashdot effect? 12.03.58 # I cannot get sids to play on the CVS build 12.04.03 Quit bluey ("Leaving") 12.04.32 # VoltageX: Did you do a "make zip" followed by unzip? 12.04.43 # linuxstb: yes 12.04.58 # mp3s work fine 12.05.26 # Which player do you have? 12.05.38 # linuxstb: H340 12.05.54 # Have you rebooted it after installing the new version of Rockbox? 12.06.07 # err 12.06.16 # ;p 12.06.23 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 12.06.37 # :S sorry, works now 12.06.54 # Myth1: you still around? 12.08.27 # maybe not. anyways, skipping tracks with SIDs works (that was the problem Myth1 was having) 12.09.25 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 12.10.28 # skipping backwards, however, does not 12.12.05 # linuxstb: you filthy ilfiltrator 12.13.21 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@60.50.216.0) 12.20.05 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 12.20.21 Quit jbauman (Client Quit) 12.21.15 Quit Nico_P () 12.25.56 # moment of truth, does my hideous radio hack work. 12.26.11 # nah the chip spec that wiki has only mentions charging current measurement, who knows if apple has planted some shunt in there and you have some register where you can read it 12.27.06 # well I can scan right down to 0.5mhz without my player catching on fire but it doesn't do anything :P 12.30.20 Join sucka [0] (n=nn@host86-133-114-140.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 12.33.46 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.34.59 # :p 12.35.49 # VoltageX: i doubt the crystal can actually generate a useful frequency that lot. 12.35.51 # low even 12.39.46 # hcl! 12.39.57 # ashridah: lol 12.39.57 # HCl: run! 12.40.13 # * VoltageX hides 12.43.05 # is there any way to make the radio scan faster? 12.44.10 # probably not 12.44.25 # PLL's tend to be slow, and since they're simple to make... 12.44.47 # is there a usleep function in rockbox? 12.44.54 # or can I do sleep(0.5)? 12.49.36 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A45DF3.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.50.13 Quit actionshrimp (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.50.39 # :P 12.51.30 # HCl: I'm interested in DUMB 12.55.17 Join BHSPitLappy2 [0] (i=steve-o@adsl-64-123-190-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 12.59.20 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p5081750C.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.00.25 # :( 13.04.52 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 13.07.42 Join ep0ch [0] (n=ep0ch@client-82-20-15-120.brhm.adsl.virgin.net) 13.08.10 # I'm being ignored :( 13.08.39 # Hi VoltageX! 13.09.37 # hi! 13.09.48 # HCl doesn't want to talk to me 13.09.53 # I'm just not l33t enough 13.09.59 # yes DUMB would be good, i will donate some cash to Rockbox when someone gets it working 13.10.12 # me too, I promise 13.10.14 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 13.10.22 # and/or chocolates, wine & hookers 13.10.28 # heh 13.10.36 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.10.46 # oh happy Easter Rockbox 13.11.15 Quit stoffel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.11.20 # what variable holds whether the hold switch is on/off (h300) 13.11.25 # gtg 13.13.16 # button_hold()? 13.21.13 # /msg nickserv set unfiltered on 13.21.37 # what I'm trying to do (FM tuner) is that is I flick the hold switch on, then off, the tuner jumps 10mhz up 13.21.58 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.29.04 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.33.06 # Can someone suggest a way to search the IRC logs on rockbox.org? They are all individual files per day so downloading them all isn't practical 13.34.28 Join EtaKneSS [0] (n=c4cb3132@labb.contactor.se) 13.34.42 # salut a tous 13.34.48 # comment ca va ? 13.35.10 # EtaKneSS: english :) 13.35.20 # i speak fr 13.35.30 # how speak fr 13.35.36 # :( 13.35.39 # this is an english channel 13.35.48 # ok Mr Voltage 13.35.54 # let's speak eng 13.36.00 # maybe use a translator on the internet? 13.36.05 # ok can u help me mr voltage 13.36.16 # Nevermind. Googling for "site:rockbox.org searchterm" is good enough... 13.36.18 # yeah i will try a translator 13.36.52 # mr voltage i have problem with an fujitsu hdd locked disk 13.37.14 Join Bjoern-Erik [0] (n=unknown@232.80-202-109.nextgentel.com) 13.37.34 # and i think that in this channel i will find what i search about 13.38.13 # VoltageX can u help me for this unlocking disk 13.38.38 # EtaKneSS: is this on an MP3 player 13.38.55 # no 13.39.08 # this disk is on my new laptop 13.39.31 # EtaKneSS: wrong chanell 13.39.38 # try talking to your laptop maker 13.39.40 # this is jujitsu MHT2030AT disk 13.39.55 # or talk to the people where you got the laptop 13.40.01 # no i'm from tunisia i can't tell no body 13.40.02 # EtaKneSS: wrong channel 13.40.16 # why wrong channel 13.40.17 # look it up 13.40.41 # EtaKneSS: This channel is about Rockbox Open Source MP3 firmware 13.40.44 # where is the right channel for unlocking disk 13.40.45 # EtaKneSS: no laptops 13.40.48 # emmmm 13.40.53 # oki doki 13.40.55 # I don't know 13.41.15 # ok man i understand now 13.41.29 # ok 13.41.32 # excuse me 13.41.45 Join warthawg [0] (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-180-235.austin.res.rr.com) 13.42.02 # u d'ont know where i can find a solution 13.42.13 # EtaKneSS: Google 13.42.30 # :) google 13.42.43 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 13.42.45 # no thnik in google servers 13.42.48 # i never google on the first date 13.43.17 # i just search for default master password jufitdu unlock 13.43.38 # and i don't find this 13.43.52 # VoltageX help me man 13.44.04 # and i can help u for any think 13.44.37 # is there any eggodrop bot here ?? 13.44.58 # !ping 13.45.23 # EtaKneSS: http://www.computerhope.com/issues/ch000355.htm 13.45.45 # http://www.daniweb.com/techtalkforums/thread14216.html 13.46.32 # think u VoltageX u are a freind man 13.46.36 # http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=555334 13.46.43 # let take a look 13.46.49 # EtaKneSS: I think you need to work on your Google skills 13.47.00 # yeah 13.47.00 # http://www.google.com.au/search?q=unlock+fujitsu+hard+drive&hl=en&hs=tpP&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&start=10&sa=N 13.55.19 Quit Myth1 (Remote closed the connection) 14.13.25 Join peroni [0] (n=peroni@p85.212.35.214.tisdip.tiscali.de) 14.16.30 # hi everyone 14.16.32 Quit EtaKneSS ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 14.17.24 # plugin question: i just copied battery_bench.c to test.c 14.17.44 # when i compile, it doesn't compile the file test.c 14.18.21 # do i have to add something somewhere? 14.20.18 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 14.21.51 # peroni: yes, to SOURCES 14.26.37 Join edx [0] (i=edx@p54A87AA0.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.27.47 # thank you 14.28.01 Join webguest62 [0] (n=5930c307@labb.contactor.se) 14.29.20 Quit webguest62 (Client Quit) 14.45.19 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 14.46.27 Quit VoltageX (Nick collision from services.) 14.46.46 Join voltagex [0] (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 14.46.51 # I'm baaaaaaaack 14.47.00 # ruuuun. 14.47.03 # aaaaa. 14.47.08 # noooooo. 14.47.11 # aa. 14.47.11 # :( 14.47.16 # jk. 14.47.23 # we love you. 14.47.31 # ruuuun *towards voltagex*!! 14.47.33 # * voltagex feels warm and fuzzy 14.47.37 # * voltagex hides 14.47.39 # aaaaaa *we love him*! 14.47.45 # noooo *he's hiding*! 14.47.53 # aa *screw it*. 14.48.02 # I'm surprised you haven't been kicked for flooding yet 14.48.15 # why would i have been? 14.48.33 # I must be lagging because those lines came up *really* fast 14.48.53 # depends which. seems to be at least a 4-5 second gap between most of them.. 14.49.02 # gah the australian SourceForge mirror is gone. 14.49.13 # midkay: it was 1 second here. 14.49.14 # use the 'superb internet' seattle, WA one. 14.49.22 # stupid isp speed limited 14.49.25 # voltagex, no, it was *lag* there.!! 14.49.35 # midkay: why that one in particular? 14.49.47 # cos it's near to me! 14.49.49 # and i use it. 14.50.02 # ok, on a 512k adsl connection you can theoretically use up 100gb. 14.50.08 # yet my download limit is 25gb 14.50.49 # theoretically use up 100gb? in .. which way? 14.51.41 # download 14.51.57 # why not 500gb? 14.52.35 # 512kbit/s = ~50k/s*3600*24*30 14.52.38 # gb or gB 14.52.49 # err in downloads per month 14.53.06 # voltagex: minus overhead, sure 14.53.42 # ah. how restrictive.. you can't download 24/7/31. :( 14.54.00 # midkay: no, I think it's unfair that I go over the limit in <2 days 14.54.10 # how the hell do you do that? 14.54.21 # midkay: although, that's not correct because I can't download that fast 14.54.23 # by your calculations that's not even possible within like 6 days.. 14.54.41 # midkay: hence a little bit of complaining 14.54.47 # I think the download counter is broken 14.55.07 # um, that's a pretty major error, why aren't you on the phone with them? 14.55.14 # I go over it thanks to a little invention called BitTorrent 14.55.33 # midkay: I didn't notice the speed limiting straight away, and today's a public holiday 14.55.38 # that doesn't explain the exceeding your maximum connection speed.. 14.55.49 # yeah 14.56.43 # but I do ~40gb a month anyway, so I may have a slight torrent addiction. 14.57.15 # if you download so much so often, why not spring for a faster and/or less restrictive connection? 14.59.16 # midkay: because it's australia, there are no less restrictive connections, and my parents won't pay any more :P 14.59.24 # haha. 14.59.44 # you should call them if they're screwing up majorly.. 14.59.57 # midkay: I'm going to call them when I can 15.00.01 # anyways, /me needs to go to bed.. laterz. 15.00.06 # good luck. 15.00.09 # midkay: also gonna see if I can pay for more quota 15.00.14 # midkay: night 15.00.26 # midkay: I"m not gone til the early AM :) 15.00.39 # voltagex, 6:00am here :) 15.00.52 # midkay: lol, 11pm 15.01.01 # haha. i love timezones. 15.01.14 # but the earth would be much better as a flat plane, i think, instead of a sphere. 15.01.53 # lol 15.02.05 Join uski [0] (n=uski@lns-bzn-23-82-248-112-86.adsl.proxad.net) 15.02.56 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.03.26 # *gone* 15.20.06 Quit uski (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.20.49 Join smoothie24 [0] (n=Papalam@62.215.84.117) 15.21.24 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 15.22.02 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.23.29 # hey can anyone give me a hand ? 15.27.53 Join arf-arf4242 [0] (i=arf-arf@bb-87-82-3-185.ukonline.co.uk) 15.28.38 Quit edx () 15.29.51 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p50819F23.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 15.31.01 # smoothie24: I might be able to help, what's the problem? 15.33.21 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 15.37.44 # hey well i am trying to dump the bootpartition but i am getting some seek error 15.38.14 Join thouters [0] (n=thouters@251-38.245.81.adsl.skynet.be) 15.38.46 Nick TeaSea is now known as Thundercloud (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.38.57 Nick Thundercloud is now known as TeaSea (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 15.41.26 # Hi I was wondering if anyone ever considered writing a video player (uncompressed avi f 15.41.44 # or instance), since recent players all have color lcds. 15.45.36 Quit arf-arf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.56.10 Quit arf-arf4242 () 15.59.28 # smoothie24: you still here? 16.00.08 Join bon [0] (i=bon@shadow.radiolan.sk) 16.00.11 # yup 16.01.02 # smoothie24: are you running the latest CVS build? 16.01.41 # not sure 16.02.13 # hum 16.02.18 # how can i check ? 16.03.22 # using a mac 16.04.04 # hum 16.04.06 # oh, you haven't installed RockBox yet? 16.04.17 # directory change is a bit fucked up? 16.04.36 # nop couldnt get the bootloader 16.05.06 # the diskdump i get sector error 16.05.09 # smoothie24: sorry, guessing that's an iPod you've got. No idea. 16.05.34 # smoothie24: you'll have to wait til someone comes along who knows iPods 16.05.38 Join Paprica [0] (i=Paprica@89-138-92-147.bb.netvision.net.il) 16.05.44 # thanks man 16.06.29 # when i change the directory with the "forward/nextsong" und "backward/lastsong" button my H120 crashes 16.06.39 Join arandil [0] (n=aragorn0@ip-83-134-78-45.dsl.scarlet.be) 16.08.36 # hi to all :) I sincerely hope you lot can help me :) I just installed rockbox on my ipod 4g, but now when it's connected to my pc, it doesn't show up in "my computer". what is there to do now? 16.09.08 # "my computer" means in iTunes? 16.10.11 # reboot the ipod while it's connected to the pc 16.10.33 # that would be both, nor in itunes, nor in "my computer" 16.11.51 # ah, it seems that i just have to hold down the keys a bit longer... stupid, but thanks 16.14.02 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 16.14.09 # midkay: did u end up looking at the patch? 16.15.27 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-39-104.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.17.32 # well I listened to my ipod till I fell asleep last night, and I awoke to find it frozen with 7% battery left, so either the low battery killed it or it just froze, I'm not sure. 16.18.39 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 16.20.17 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.21.25 Join arf-arf [0] (i=arf-arf@bb-87-82-3-185.ukonline.co.uk) 16.22.13 # hm 16.22.30 # i would bet my money for the low battery 16.22.31 # ;) 16.22.47 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.25.35 Quit arandil () 16.26.27 # hey all I am runnig doom with freedoom wad on my nano...loads fine but I can't move :) 16.27.17 # make sure the hold button is unset and push menu to move forward 16.28.14 # nope still nada 16.28.17 # well maybe you're up against a wall ... push << and >> to turn 16.28.39 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.29.04 # nm 16.29.05 # sometimes you have to spin the scroll wheel for a second before the buttons register 16.29.10 # I got it :) 16.30.07 # i'm surprised it worked throughout the whole night then. usually I get the frequency scaling bug to come and crash it. it hasn't happened in a while... 16.30.56 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.34.04 # now I too can be the cool kid in school 16.34.51 # lol 16.35.30 # i really think Doom is the "killer application" for rockbox 16.35.32 # ;) 16.36.43 # Heh 16.36.57 # BTW, is chessbox supposed to take ages on the X5 for the AI to make a move? 16.37.22 # dont know, on my H120 it takes some secs 16.48.10 Quit RedBreva ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 16.48.11 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 16.48.22 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 16.49.53 # whee, about to test my first build with metadata on file buffer 16.50.23 # chance of audio playing 50%, chance of track changes working 25%, chances of it not eventually blowing up .01% 16.51.57 # damn, got the bad side of 50%. 16.52.45 # lol 16.52.58 Quit cs-cam ("and... he's gone") 16.56.12 Quit Gena (Remote closed the connection) 16.56.48 # voltagex: yea, it needs floating point stuff 16.56.55 # sorry, i usually run off afk again and so 17.02.29 # HCl: so it doesn't run in any form? 17.02.43 # as far as i know it actually compiles 17.02.52 # it may even use floating point emulation 17.03.03 # but it'll be extremely slow 17.03.17 # but it needs to be converted to fixed point 17.03.20 # HCl: I don't care, tell me how to add it to my makefile :D 17.04.05 # i'm not sure, someone else disabled it from being built 17.04.16 Quit bluebrother (Remote closed the connection) 17.04.36 # HCl: :( I'm desperate for my tracker music 17.04.54 # i'll help in a bit, parents demanding me to do stuff :/ 17.05.08 # HCl: ok, 1am here, I'll be gone in 30min 17.05.16 # igh, okay 17.05.19 Quit herz42_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.05.23 # i'll help first, i guess, or try to, anyways 17.05.57 # HCl: me and one other person will throw money your way when it works :D 17.06.52 # haha 17.07.02 # i don't need money >.o 17.07.05 # much anyways 17.07.12 # HCl: don't know about the other guy, but I'm serious 17.07.23 # chocolate/alcohol/hookers then. 17.07.30 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 17.07.53 # hehe i said about a year ago i would give another donation when sid+mods work 17.08.10 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.08.13 # ep0ch: 50% there 17.08.13 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 17.08.36 # ep0ch: I've tested about 30 sids, only one didn't work correctly 17.08.54 # i think the ones that don't work are the ones which use samples 17.09.03 # what are sids? 17.09.16 # sid = C64 music format 17.09.21 # ahhh 17.09.28 # letsee.. 17.09.42 # or is SID the name of the sound chip? 17.10.27 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 17.10.47 # how old are you HCl? 17.11.24 # wait, SID's are working now? have the changes been committed yet? 17.11.36 # piroko: it's on the patch tracker 17.11.38 # bah.. 17.11.40 # piroko: 22 17.11.55 # oh. i'm 18 and I have the same parental problem :P 17.12.07 # mhm 17.12.08 # all about SID: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_SID 17.12.52 # piroko: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5130 17.13.01 # YES data abort! 17.13.02 # voltagex: there now ;) 17.13.19 # i don't know how these makefiles work anymore, need to get into it.. 17.13.36 # dumb is still in there but it's disabled *somewhere* 17.14.04 # it only plays for two minutes though and then loops? 17.14.14 # even if the file is > 2 minutes? 17.18.42 # you can download dumb from the cvs easy enough... I found one place where it was disabled. 17.20.22 # the cvs is totally not working for me anymore, even when I clean the settings 17.20.39 # in apps/codecs/Makefile, there seems to be a lot of places where dumb should be 17.20.51 # like where? 17.21.00 # its hanging on the boot screen, and if I do get it up, after multiple reboots, if I play anything, it hangs 17.21.29 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 17.21.35 # all is defined by $ROCKS 17.21.40 # but i have no idea what $ROCKS contains 17.21.47 # ROCKS := $(SRC:%.c=$(OBJDIR)/%.codec) 17.21.51 # should I just delete .rockbox? and start over 17.21.52 # what does that mean 17.21.57 # HCl: care to /msg so I can paste a lot? 17.22.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.23.05 Quit Farpenoodle ("Large sacks of cheese") 17.23.42 # HCl: 17.23.42 # ROCKS=rocks 17.23.53 # in apps/Makefile 17.24.06 # okay i think i got it 17.24.46 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@60.50.216.0) 17.25.28 # anyone know anything about the backward text on screens of apple firmware on a 4g greyscale? 17.25.42 # ugh, parents whining. 17.25.49 # voltagex: at the very least a dumb.c needs to be made 17.25.52 # and added to the makefile 17.26.05 # and from there i'm still unsure how the makefile work 17.26.06 # s 17.26.30 # dumb.c also needs to be added to SOURCES 17.28.42 # HCl: my brain's not working 17.29.00 # HCl: I *will* wait till you come back, got an ETA? 17.29.44 # won't take long 17.29.45 # bbiab 17.33.25 # Jaguar: what do you mean by backwards text? I have a 4g greyscale 17.34.12 # apple firmware is all backwards..actually more mirror image.. have read others have heard of it happening but I haven't found any sollutions anywhere. 17.34.27 # there, back.. 17.35.04 # Jaguar: I've never had that problem, but then again i've only booted back into the apple firmware twice since rockbox :P 17.35.15 # :q 17.35.21 Quit thouters ("leaving") 17.35.29 # hmm i wonder why...using the autoinstaller off the forums 17.35.38 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 17.36.01 # Jaguar: When did you install the Rockbox bootloader? 17.36.10 # HCl: would it be at all possible for you to make diffs of the changes 17.36.32 # couple days ago, and just now..same thing 17.37.23 # voltagex: first i need to get it running.. 17.37.25 # With the bootloader-4g.bin currently on the wiki (dated 4th April), it shouldn't happen. 17.37.50 # i'm not very fluent in makefiles 17.38.56 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 17.39.15 # i need a makefile expert for this, i' can't figure it out :| 17.39.22 # HCl: join the club 17.39.31 # arm instructions are 16 bits wide? 17.39.41 # No, 32. 17.40.36 # ty 17.40.38 # linuxstb..ok i'll try thanks 17.40.46 # hm, i think i understand it, but now i don't know why it doesn't work. 17.41.15 # couldn't it be compiled manually/by shell script? 17.41.19 # HCl: You may need to do a make clean - sometimes the build system doesn't detect all changes. 17.41.55 # do I need to reset ipod before install new bootloader or will it overwrite? 17.42.32 # If you still have your original unmodified bootpartition.bin (or apple_os.bin), then you can just use that. 17.43.05 # But don't follow the instructions from the beginning (i.e. extract a new bootpartition.bin) if you already have a bootloader installed. 17.47.03 # nope, no idea about the makefile :/ 17.47.14 # i'll look at it later when i have some more time 17.47.21 # ok 17.47.44 # would you mind emailing me if you make any progress? 17.48.04 Quit ep0ch (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.48.57 Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.49.06 # GCC, YOU ARE DUMB. write_ti->blah1 = 1;; write_ti->blah2 = 2; <-- why does it load write_ti's address into two _different_ registers to use for addressing for those two lines? 17.51.22 Quit Jaguar (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.52.00 Join Jaguar [0] (n=dufus@12-219-93-249.client.mchsi.com) 17.52.14 # loading el ipod with entire HVSC SID collection. Rockbox rules... :D 17.53.37 # piroko: someone said dircache would have trouble with tat 17.54.09 # why dircache and not tagcache? is the HVSC archive too deep? 17.54.33 # voltagex: um... i don't really like email and at the moment i can't email at all 17.54.54 # * piroko uses fetchmail and pine connected to gmail for uber l33tn3ss :D 17.55.04 # which is faster: *write_ti = next_track; or memcpy(write_ti, &next_track, sizeof(struct track_info)); (assuming both have the same function) 17.56.00 # where in the heck does rockbox store its settings? 17.56.13 # piroko: the 'current' settings are stored in the 2nd sector of teh disk 17.56.23 # ie just after the partition table, before the fat 17.56.40 # there are three partitions? what format is the second partition? 17.56.43 # if I recall correctly, so don't quote me on that 17.56.54 # piroko: huh? there are 2 on an ipod 17.56.55 # not 3 17.57.25 Quit RedBreva (Remote closed the connection) 17.57.37 # wow. i was thinking of the partition table as a partition. so the settings are stored on the same partition as the firmware? 17.57.57 # well, the apple firmware 17.58.01 # and the bootloader 17.58.20 # no 17.58.25 # :( 17.58.26 # they aren't stored on a partition 17.58.33 # they are stored in a particular sector of the disk 17.58.38 # well that's annoying 17.58.42 # ugh. 17.58.44 # The first sector is the partition table, then (on ipods) the firmware partition starts at sector 63, and then the FAT32 partition starts about 80MB further in. The config sector is at about sector 61 or 62. 17.58.45 # i hate this makefile 17.58.53 # get someone else to look at it e-e 17.58.57 Join Gena [0] (n=Gena@80.178.120.11.adsl.012.net.il) 17.59.22 # ah, so not the 2nd sector, but some sector between the partition table and the first partition start. 17.59.35 # linuxstb: The firmware partition is 40MB on my mini2g 17.59.43 # amiconn: don't you know about these makefiles? 17.59.43 # wouldn't be easier to store the config on the same partition as the rockbox firmware? 17.59.54 # lostlogic: The config sector is (start_of_first_partition - 2) 18.00.05 # amiconn: Yes, the older ipods have 40MB firmware partitions, the Nano and 5g have 80MB partitions. 18.00.10 # (of course with sanity check) 18.00.29 # piroko: it's sorta legacy from before filesytem writing was turned on in rockbox. 18.00.42 # (the Nano and 5g have the hibernate-to-disk mode in the apple firmware). 18.00.42 # piroko: but it also makes sesne, and lets you keep rockbox settings even if you format your data partition 18.00.51 # linuxstb newest bootloader fixed text thank you 18.01.00 # yeah, and it allows you to reset them without booting into rockbox :P 18.01.32 # ie: i now have to wait for dircache to finish before I can turn it off... 18.01.39 # linuxstb: if I'm getting a data abort at an address, is it reasonable to say that that abort occurs near the (address - function_start_address)/4'th instruction of the function it occurs in? 18.01.52 # linuxstb: I bet rockbox boots faster than apple un-hibernates... 18.02.10 # HCl: Wht mkefile? 18.02.11 # faster than it unhibernates: yes. faster then it unsleeps: no 18.03.26 # is ipod battery life much shorter on rockbox than it is on the retail os? 18.03.32 # yes 18.03.49 # piroko: 3 or 4 hours compared to ? 18.04.09 # amiconn: the codecs one.. 18.04.16 # warthawg: 3 or 4 hours in total? Wazzat for a platform? 18.04.18 # about 10 :P 18.04.24 # amiconn: libdumb needs to be enabled, not in main cvs but just for testing 18.04.31 # and it's almost gobbilygook to me 18.04.35 # HCl: I'm no codec expert.... 18.04.35 # i actually understood most of it 18.04.42 # but now i don't understand why it doesn't work. 18.04.50 # grr... is dircache on by default? 18.04.56 # even after settings reset? 18.05.01 # piroko: For me it's 10..11 compared to (guessed) 16 :-P 18.05.02 # amiconn: well, it's just the makefile 18.05.04 # amiconn: i don't know the battery life on ipod on either rockbox or native, just asking what they are 18.05.15 # (mini2g) 18.05.17 # amiconn: on a 4g ipod!? 18.05.34 # amiconn: oh yeah. you have the advantage of the different processor... 18.06.06 # * HCl patpats his ihp140 with 29 hours of playtime o-o 18.06.38 # 29? 18.06.39 # wtf? 18.06.42 # yea :) 18.06.46 # battery upgrade :) 18.06.51 # normally 16, with battery upgrade 29 18.06.55 # got 14 hours on my last benchmark test 18.06.56 # i haven't *ever* gotten it to empty yet 18.06.57 # xD 18.07.01 # with my H120 18.07.09 # get a battery upgrade 18.07.11 # they're cheap and good 18.07.18 # dont know, my player is over 2 years old 18.07.22 # mine cost me 13 euro including shipping from hongkong 18.07.25 # i think i will buy a new one 18.07.35 # hm 13€ 18.07.36 # just a battery upgrade, not a new player o-o 18.07.39 # thats an argument 18.08.31 # god damn it, that directory change bug is annoying 18.08.36 # downside is you have to take your iriver carefully apart 18.08.37 Join Una^ [0] (n=alex@81.168.53.21) 18.08.53 # and you mustn't screw up while doing that 18.09.44 # HCl: hong kong is closer to me than america, did you ebay the battery? I currently get 8 hours in rockbox with my H340... 18.09.50 # yea, ebay 18.09.57 # mm.. what was it again... 18.09.59 # * piroko is creaming his pants while rocking out to chiptunes... 18.10.17 # ipod 1st/3rd generation battery upgrade 2200mah or so 18.10.35 # piroko: you need to work on your stamina 18.10.41 Join webguest89 [0] (n=44c18f02@labb.contactor.se) 18.10.46 # h340 has colour screen though, costs more battery 18.10.52 # i think i will blow away ipodlinux today and make more room for rockbox 18.10.54 # HCl: that's the one I'm looking at getting 18.11.16 # HCl: but colours are purrrrrrrrrty 18.11.26 # hey guys i was just wondering if anyone can help me get idoom to work in rockbox. i tried to install it in linux but i couldnt get it 18.11.32 # holy crap! the audio thread takes up so little cpu! yippee! 18.11.37 # i wonder if i can just reformat the ext partition as winfs and use it with rockbox 18.11.40 # ? 18.11.54 # webguest89: idoom or rockdoom? 18.12.07 # idoom 18.12.22 # :O 18.12.28 # tagcache... works... with sids... 18.12.49 # i already have both linux and rockbox 18.12.49 # webguest89: rockbox's doom is called rockdoom, it's already in the latest rockbox 18.13.04 # where 18.13.20 # i am acessing rockbox on my video ipod 18.13.22 # webguest89: I think you're confused here. iDoom is for iPodLinux 18.13.25 # and since when was the battery runtime estimation for the 4g updated? it reads about 4 hours, which should be correct 18.13.32 # i heard idoom can work in rockbox 18.13.48 # webguest89: check the rockbox webpage for CVS builds of rockbox 18.16.31 # if i download the latest cvs build will i get rockdoom? 18.16.35 Join _jim_fear [0] (n=noway@ool-44c515a9.dyn.optonline.net) 18.16.43 # webguest89: yes 18.17.01 # should i delete my old rockbox os from my ipod? 18.17.36 # <_jim_fear> yo rockbox has some really awesome utilities and features but when it comes down to it, its all about the music, and if I can't scroll through directories without it stuttering every 3 folders, than I am going to take it off my iRiver... can anyone help me with this issue? 18.18.05 # _jim_fear: what do you mean stuttering? 18.18.14 # webguest89: I'm not sure for iPod, check the upgrade instructions? 18.18.32 # <_jim_fear> if a song is playing 18.18.35 # _jim_fear: what mp3 player do you have? 18.18.40 # <_jim_fear> and i want to queue up another song (great feature) 18.18.42 # <_jim_fear> H340 18.18.43 # <_jim_fear> iriver 18.18.50 # _jim_fear: the audio drops out? scroll slower, use page skip instead, it's a performance issue. 18.18.59 # <_jim_fear> scrolling through the directory lists the audio dropps out 18.19.00 # _jim_fear: hmm I don't have that problem 18.19.09 # <_jim_fear> well i do and its really annoying me 18.19.21 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: i can scroll REALLY slow its still does it 18.19.25 # _jim_fear: hmm I don't have that problem, try getting the CVS build 18.19.47 # _jim_fear: havne't heard of that... what kind of audio tracks you playin'? 18.19.51 # <_jim_fear> do i have to upgrade firmwares to change builds? 18.19.54 # <_jim_fear> mp3 18.19.55 # _jim_fear: download cvs, unzip to the player 18.19.56 # <_jim_fear> only 18.20.03 # <_jim_fear> ok well ill try that 18.20.15 # <_jim_fear> like i said though its all about the music and if thats skipping the features mean nothing 18.20.35 # <_jim_fear> i understand its not a perfect little os but come on =) 18.20.59 # _jim_fear: if its all about the music, listen to the music and leave the directory browser alone, or invest some time and energy into helping us fix the performance issues on H3x0. 18.21.19 # _jim_fear: download n unzip alllll files into the player, overwrite 18.21.26 # <_jim_fear> haha i wish i was a programmer!! lostlogic dont take it personal i know i am coming off like an ass an i appologize 18.21.40 # lostlogic: am I recommending the wrong thing? 18.21.56 # voltagex: nope, he should definitely give the latest build a try. 18.22.02 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp128-218.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.22.41 # lostlogic: ahh cvs, answer to everything 18.22.47 # <_jim_fear> hmm 18.22.50 # :-P 18.23.53 # _jim_fear: process is as follows: download cvs zip, plug player in, unzip/overwrite, unplug player, reboot player 18.24.04 # <_jim_fear> roger 18.24.35 # <_jim_fear> trying it now 18.24.45 # <_jim_fear> now i have the eq off crossfeed off 18.24.47 # lostlogic: you any good with Makefiles? 18.24.53 # <_jim_fear> all the other things that last night everyone was telling me to turn off 18.24.56 # <_jim_fear> i changed the theme 18.24.58 # <_jim_fear> and it got worse 18.25.00 # voltagex: mediocre 18.25.09 # <_jim_fear> but what i was hearing is that the theme wont change the performance 18.25.34 # lostlogic: did you read any of HCl's struggles with the codec makefile? 18.25.48 # _jim_fear: that's correct 18.25.55 # _jim_fear: eq, crossfeed, crossfade will change performance, theme will msotly only change performance whenyou are in the WPS, specifically WPSs with peakmeter are expensive. 18.26.05 # voltagex: no, was ignoring, busy fighting with my own data abort ATM 18.26.27 # _jim_fear: if you are just watching the WPS, you don't have audio drop outs? 18.26.32 # but if you are browsing files you do? 18.26.38 # what about if youa re just in menus? 18.26.40 # <_jim_fear> correct 18.26.42 # <_jim_fear> i have a lot of mp3s 18.26.50 # _jim_fear: all in one directory? 18.26.56 # lostlogic: when you get a chance, can you tell me what's disabling the "dumb" codec from being built? 18.27.01 # <_jim_fear> they are all scene rips (if you are familure) so they are directories with sub directories for each album 18.27.05 # <_jim_fear> negative 18.27.12 # i'm interested in that too. why dumb doesn't build. 18.27.14 # _jim_fear: gotcha 18.27.20 # <_jim_fear> i have it sub catagorized, !NEW, Acoustic, Rap, etc 18.27.35 # <_jim_fear> damnn 18.27.37 # <_jim_fear> still stutters 18.27.43 # <_jim_fear> should i turn tagcache off or something 18.27.44 # HCl: just recruiting help :D 18.27.44 # <_jim_fear> UGGG 18.27.48 # _jim_fear: do you ahve the dircache option on? (I've never used it, don't knwo what it does to performance) 18.27.49 # *nodsnods* 18.28.00 # <_jim_fear> i have no idea lemme see 18.28.01 # _jim_fear: definately try the cvs 18.28.08 # _jim_fear: is it rebuilding the tagcache currently? 18.28.15 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: i just did dude 18.28.16 # _jim_fear: because that would cause stuttering possibly 18.28.18 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: no 18.28.42 # _jim_fear: try turning off dircache and tag cache, I've not used them so that could be a difference... 18.28.43 # <_jim_fear> atm im trying to find dircache 18.29.05 # <_jim_fear> idonno how to turn off tagcache it just says keep on disc or ram 18.29.06 Join aegray_ [0] (n=aegray@c-24-13-149-60.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 18.29.14 # <_jim_fear> i had it on disc 18.29.14 # lostlogic: I thought dircache was on in h300 by default? 18.29.15 # _jim_fear: I have an ipod 5g which currently has worse rockbox performance than H3x0 and I have no such stuttering, so there must be some setting or difference that we are missing. 18.29.18 # <_jim_fear> figuring ram is for buffer 18.29.22 Quit aegray_ (Client Quit) 18.29.34 # <_jim_fear> ok well that makes me feel better 18.29.45 # <_jim_fear> i have my anti-skip buffer on 5s 18.29.47 # <_jim_fear> should that be higher? 18.29.51 # _jim_fear: won't matter 18.29.52 # <_jim_fear> i figured it had nothing to do with skipping 18.29.56 # <_jim_fear> yea i figured 18.30.05 # _jim_fear: have you got the cvs yet? 18.30.11 # _jim_fear: my last player was h3x0, adn also didn't have this problem. 18.30.13 # voltagex: he said he does 18.30.20 # <_jim_fear> whats prevent clipping 18.30.32 # <_jim_fear> good lets figure this out =) 18.30.34 # <_jim_fear> haha 18.30.35 # <_jim_fear> i have faith 18.30.41 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.30.47 # <_jim_fear> =D 18.30.51 # it reduces samples to the maximum real amplitude rather than sending samples that will clip on to the hardware 18.31.05 # ok..... well I'm running cvs with I guarantee more directories than jim 18.31.07 # <_jim_fear> so that wont matter? 18.31.12 # it's a DSP process, so could cost a couple percent performance 18.31.12 # no skipping 18.31.14 # <_jim_fear> idonno voltagex haha 18.31.21 # <_jim_fear> hmm 18.31.39 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: it was off i was wondering if that would help if it was on =) 18.31.43 # but then I always use replaygain which is a similar cost. 18.31.59 # <_jim_fear> that i read up on and didnt know how useful it would be so thats off 2 18.32.09 # umm. I don't mean to sound dumb, but what's the dumb codec? 18.32.12 # <_jim_fear> crossfade is on shuffle 18.32.41 # do you require crossfade? might try turning that off just to see if it's the bastard, although I doubt it. 18.32.53 # oh, and I just want you guys to know that this is the most friendly and helpful irc channel I've ever been in :D 18.33.04 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: did you say u have a H3x0? 18.33.12 # <_jim_fear> ok 18.33.22 # _jim_fear: yes 18.33.28 # <_jim_fear> lol it dropped audio getting into the setting 18.33.36 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: what do u have ur anti-skip buffer on 18.33.40 # piroko: tracker music codec 18.33.51 # _jim_fear: next, if you can play a track, and go to menu|info|debug|audiothread and watch the pcm buffer level and boost levels and reprot their behavior, that might give some clues. 18.34.00 # <_jim_fear> oh shiznit hold on guys 18.34.02 # _jim_fear: whatever the default is, sorry not near my player 18.34.15 # <_jim_fear> damn thought i had it 18.34.37 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: ok ill try that 18.34.59 # _jim_fear: what bitrate and type of encoding are your mp3s? 18.35.23 # <_jim_fear> vbr mostly 18.35.37 # with what approximate bitrate? 18.35.48 # ooooh, sid support! 18.36.32 # preglow: if I'm getting a data abort at an address, is it reasonable to say that that abort occurs near the (address - function_start_address)/4'th instruction of the function it occurs in? 18.37.05 # <_jim_fear> track count: 2-5 cpu freq: 45MHz-124MHz boost: 27%-31% pcmbuf: 7-15 18.37.15 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: normally 192-256 tops 18.37.18 # <_jim_fear> usually 192 18.37.24 Join ^BeN^ [0] (n=Paprica@89-138-92-147.bb.netvision.net.il) 18.37.25 # lostlogic: cant see why not, i usually just disassemble rockbox.elf and see exactly what instructions its at 18.37.25 # preglow: because if I am, it seems like I'm getting a data abort near if (!buf_ti) buf_ti = write_ti (where both buf_ti and write_ti are pointers to track structs) 18.37.58 # ehh 18.38.02 # _jim_fear: damn, I see no reason you shouldn't be able to browse directories wihtout breaking. 18.38.12 # sounds fancy 18.38.29 # preglow: :( it's quite confusing me. How does one disassemble rockbox.elf? 18.39.09 # with arm-elf-objdump ? 18.39.16 # preglow: riiight, ty 18.39.18 # lostlogic: There's something fishy with codec change in the sim. 18.39.53 # <_jim_fear> is there a way i can maybe reset everything to the factory (lol) settings 18.40.03 # <_jim_fear> see if that does it 18.40.10 # <_jim_fear> cuz i have my eq saved 18.40.11 # I have 4 test tracks, all different formats, in my H140 sim. (wv->ogg->flac->mp3). When I play track 1 and it ends, tracks 2 and 3 are auto-skipped. Track 4 plays. 18.40.35 # But I can play any track if I select it from the browser 18.41.45 # <_jim_fear> wow this really sucks 18.41.50 # <_jim_fear> =\ 18.41.50 # amiconn: quite odd... once I either get metadata on buffer working or give up, I can take a look 18.42.10 # _jim_fear: yeah, you can uhh... hold something... or have hold turned on... or something during bootup to reset settings. 18.42.21 # _jim_fear: manage settings->reset settings 18.42.33 # <_jim_fear> yeah do i have to reboot after that piroko 18.42.34 # hold turned on works too I think 18.42.43 # <_jim_fear> ok 18.42.50 # _jim_fear: I don't think it should be neccessary but it wouldn't hurt 18.43.06 # preglow: so I objdump it... how do I map the addresses in there to the playe raddresses, (feeling retarded here) 18.43.13 # <_jim_fear> piroko: im kinda running out of ideas here 18.43.38 # preglow: nvm, I think i comprehend now 18.43.45 # lostlogic: the address as reported by the exception handler should just be in there 18.44.02 # first column, right? 18.44.05 # yea 18.44.41 # _jim_fear: restart with hold on? 18.45.52 Join ravon [0] (n=ravon@c-e947e455.029-28-73746f34.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 18.46.07 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: you there? im wondering if maybe the European firmware I used to patch could be the issue 18.46.42 # _jim_fear: I have the japanese firmware, but afaik euro works too 18.46.47 # preglow: ok, it's a later instruction: write_ti->id3.elapsed = 0; blah, how can that fail, I've just set write_ti to point to an area of the buffer and copied a valid track_info struct to that area. *scowls at his code* 18.47.59 # how did you map the address to the source line? 18.48.04 # i assume a str instruction is what crashes? 18.48.21 # memcpy(write_ti, &next_track, sizeof(struct track_info)); (some stuff that doesn't touch write_ti); write_ti->id3.elapsed = 0; 18.48.35 # preglow: yeah, its a str with an offset that matches up to an offset in the .s file which matches up to a line. 18.49.00 # if this is goign to fail, shouldn't the memcpy have failed!? 18.49.04 # <_jim_fear> yo seriously 18.49.12 # <_jim_fear> im just gonna have to re-flash this thing 18.49.18 # <_jim_fear> cuz i cant deal with this lol 18.49.25 # _jim_fear: you can still use the original firmware with rockbox on there 18.49.34 # until someone (you or one of us figures out your problem) 18.49.49 # lostlogic: No, the memcpy will avoid non-aligned memory accesses. 18.49.50 # <_jim_fear> i dont know if i understand what u mean 18.49.57 # _jim_fear: are you *sure* you put the CVS build on there? 18.50.11 # _jim_fear: he says you shouldn't have to reflash 18.50.13 # linuxstb_: ahhhh, this is an alignment issue! I didn't even think of that when putting metadata on the buffer. 18.50.16 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: no the page was confusing 18.50.19 # linuxstb_: brilliant! 18.50.23 # <_jim_fear> http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 18.50.27 # <_jim_fear> and i clicked on H300 18.50.36 # <_jim_fear> downloaded that rockbox.rar 18.50.41 # <_jim_fear> and overwrite everything 18.50.43 # yes 18.50.44 # lostlogic: I thought that's what you were talking about.... 18.50.50 # memcpy aligns stuff for you 18.50.58 # <_jim_fear> didnt change anything except the # at the bottom of the player when lodaing 18.51.03 # <_jim_fear> it used to say cvs now it doesnt 18.51.11 # _jim_fear: hmm 18.51.11 # ugh, now I hafta make sure I align before I write a metadata struct to the buffer. 18.51.28 # shouldnt exactly be hard... 18.51.36 # hang in there 18.51.41 # should be done anyway, for performance reasons 18.51.42 Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) 18.51.44 # buf_widx += 4 - buf_widx % 4;? 18.52.02 # well not quite that, but something of the sort 18.52.30 # <_jim_fear> i am thinking about backing up all my settings, taking everything off the player (again) and trying the flash over again 18.52.36 # _jim_fear: it sounds like you did everything right 18.52.45 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: unless u can think of something else 18.52.45 # _jim_fear: flashing has nothing to do with rockbox. 18.52.52 # <_jim_fear> uGG 18.52.55 # <_jim_fear> =\ 18.52.56 # I mean ... the rockbox OS doesn't change from flashing over and over 18.53.06 # _jim_fear: backup, format, reflash (iriver firmware), cvs 18.53.10 # <_jim_fear> then how am i the only one with the issue 18.53.21 # <_jim_fear> format huh 18.53.26 # <_jim_fear> i should have done that to begin with 18.53.49 # <_jim_fear> wait what happens if i reflash the iriver firmware un patched 18.53.54 # <_jim_fear> and put the cvs in it 18.53.55 # <_jim_fear> nothing? 18.53.57 # _jim_fear: when you say it skips every 3 directories, do you mean that you go to the browser, select a directory to view, back out, select another, etc.? 18.54.03 # voltagex: where do you get the jap firmware from? 18.54.13 # piroko: iriver site 18.54.15 # _jim_fear: iriver firmware unpatched will not boot rockbox at all 18.54.30 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.54.31 # _jim_fear: download jap firmware, patch, then load rockbox 18.54.36 # after format 18.54.57 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: its not a constant, its varies, sometimes going into a directory will freeze the player for a second but not the audio, than if you hold the up or down button in a directory with a bunch of directories in it, it will stop playing the music after the 4-6th directory (respectfully) 18.55.02 # lostlogic: I was having crazy crazy issues from disk fragmentation, format solves it 18.55.07 Quit Paprica (Connection timed out) 18.55.08 # <_jim_fear> then when you let go of the up or down button the audi ocomes back 18.55.49 # <_jim_fear> i dont care how long it takes to reach the menu's, he77 if i can slow down the speed of the scroll up and down when holding the up or down button so that its slow and doesnt skip ill do that 18.56.18 # _jim_fear: try format first 18.56.29 # _jim_fear: solved some of my wierd problems 18.56.37 # <_jim_fear> damn dude it takes about an hour to move all my music on and off this thing lol 18.56.46 # <_jim_fear> haha 18.57.03 # <_jim_fear> does the iriver manager have a format feature 18.57.05 # <_jim_fear> i forget 18.57.22 # _jim_fear: we kinda need to know if this solves it, then it isn't a bug that needs fixing 18.57.23 # lostlogic: buf_widx = (buf_widx + 3) & ~3; 18.57.38 # <_jim_fear> ok ok 18.57.43 # _jim_fear: iriver firmware has format feature 18.57.50 # <_jim_fear> alright 18.57.56 # <_jim_fear> imna stick with the european firmware though 18.57.59 # <_jim_fear> and just repatch it 18.58.02 # <_jim_fear> i have it backed up 18.58.06 # _jim_fear: the holding scroll _will_ cause audio to drop out 18.58.11 # that's what i meant by scroll slower 18.58.29 # lostlogic: o.O doesn't drop out for me 18.58.30 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: if i just press down fast it will skip too 18.58.36 # <_jim_fear> i was just about to say that too 18.58.47 # it's sorta a bug and sorta just how it is, you are instructing the player to scroll as fast as it can, which will eat all the CPU power and result in audio dropping out. 18.59.03 # <_jim_fear> i tell u what though i love iriver though, i broke 2 of my old non color screen irivers and the third one they sent back was a color screen =D 18.59.19 # _jim_fear: you don't need to reflash after a format 18.59.39 # as for entering directories, you should actually turn dircache on, because that will reduce the time required to enter directories and eliminate some of the skips with that. 18.59.45 # <_jim_fear> lostlogic: it never dropped audio on the stock firmware if i was in that same dir and scrolling as fast as it can 19.00.14 # <_jim_fear> voltagex good point i didnt even think of that 19.00.24 # ... yes, and rockbox has virtually nothing in common with the original firmware. 19.00.56 # <_jim_fear> but rockbox doesnt have a setting for me to slow down the max scroll speed huh? 19.02.06 # lostlogic: i had rockbox just suddenly pause (no pause icon, though) playback in the middle of a track the other day. you know of a bug like that? 19.02.17 # unit could still be shut off 19.02.23 # by keeping off pressed 19.02.28 # <_jim_fear> preglow: that happened to me last night too 19.02.48 # <_jim_fear> the player was just sitting playing a track in my car stopped @ a light and it dropped audio =) 19.04.12 Join |kid| [0] (n=nymbul@host124-208.pool8258.interbusiness.it) 19.04.13 # <_jim_fear> omg im so formating this right now 19.04.16 # preglow: track > 30m? otherwise, no I don't. 19.04.22 # <|kid|> hi 19.04.34 # lostlogic: track of about 7-8 minute length 19.04.34 Quit webguest89 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 19.05.14 # <|kid|> anybody knows how to reboot the rockbox? :S 19.05.20 # preglow: if you had a slightly old build, it could have been when buffer fill was running it screwed up the playing track, there were a couple bugs like that, but if it was the altest playback code, then it's new to me. 19.06.15 # <_jim_fear> wow that was one hell of a quick format 19.06.22 # <_jim_fear> sorry to use so harsh letters 19.06.36 # lol 19.07.00 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: should i throw all my backup .rockbox directory in there or the stock one 19.07.12 # <_jim_fear> the backup one being (i assume) all the settings i just had 19.07.21 # <_jim_fear> ahh ill do the original 19.07.34 # _jim_fear: extract a fresh _CVS_ rockbox.zip onto it. 19.08.08 # <_jim_fear> okie dokie 19.09.31 # _jim_fear: it might be a problem with those settings, so turn them back on one at a time, testing after eeach 19.09.51 # lostlogic: i updated it before i left wednesday 19.09.55 # <_jim_fear> voltagex: i am hoping ur right 19.10.04 # <_jim_fear> i went through the manual last night and set everything one by one 19.10.09 # <_jim_fear> with out rebooting the iriver 19.10.13 # preglow: old. 19.10.17 Nick BHSPitLappy2 is now known as BHSPitLappy (i=steve-o@adsl-64-123-190-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.10.18 # okiedoke 19.10.52 # preglow: the current playback is quite stable, except for those bugs explicitly listed on the SoftwareCodecPlayback wiki page 19.11.01 # |kid|: what model player do you have? 19.11.12 # (at least to the best of my knowledge, I wouldn't have started trying to put metadata on the buffer if it wasn't) 19.11.21 # <|kid|> iriver h340 19.11.26 # amiconn: gah, is audiobuf aligned? 19.11.42 # audiobuf should be aligned 19.11.54 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cad6dbb@labb.contactor.se) 19.12.10 # You said that you need to align the headers, that's why I posted the formula... 19.12.31 # amiconn: yeah, but filebuf isn't aligned, so I hafta align filbuf and then align the buf_widx relative to it. 19.12.52 Join mr [0] (n=noway@ool-44c515a9.dyn.optonline.net) 19.12.54 # filebuf isn't aligned? That's new to me... 19.13.30 # it follows talk_buf which is voicefile sized which I assume isn't guaranteed to be aligned. 19.14.03 # HCl: you still around? 19.14.18 # shit, cpu temp @ 68C 19.14.20 # hmpf. I only ever observed an aligned buffer 19.14.45 # filebuf = &filebuf[talk_get_bufsize()]; 19.14.52 # |kid|: i can't seem to find the shortcut for the iriver restart... sorry... 19.15.03 # voltagex: where did you get that temp readout from? 19.15.05 # <|kid|> np, thnx anyway :) 19.15.14 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.16.15 # amiconn: what's the formula to align down? 19.16.38 # align down? I though you need to align up 19.16.39 # while I'm aligning, might as well make the filebuf's length aligned too. 19.16.47 # ah 19.16.51 # down is simple 19.17.01 # buflen &= ~3; 19.17.02 # &~3? 19.17.03 # ok 19.17.25 # But check tal_buffer first, it might be aligned 19.17.30 Join gursikh [0] (n=m@adsl-65-65-181-94.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 19.17.52 # it depends on the size of the voice file, is a voice file always a multiple of 4 bytes? 19.18.20 # voicefile_size = filesize(filehandle); 19.20.03 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 19.20.06 Join punkrockguy318 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 19.20.30 # I'm confused about a simple feature in rockbox... Text Entry... How can I backspace using a ipod 5g? I've read the manual but it's not quite clear 19.20.42 Join webguest78 [0] (n=d49f6782@labb.contactor.se) 19.20.56 # this also aligns the codec copy buffers which were not aligned before... even if I give up on the metadata on buffer, that will be worthwhile. 19.21.13 # lostlogic: From looking at voicefont.cpp, it's not guaranteed to have a multiple-of-4 length 19.21.22 # okay coping over some songs 19.21.33 # Select Inserts the currently highlighted character. If the cursor is down at the filename, Select will delete on character. But it doesn't say how to get the cursor down to the filename... 19.21.39 # nick _glassJaw 19.21.43 Quit webguest78 (Client Quit) 19.21.43 # ok lol 19.21.50 Nick mr is now known as _glassJAw (n=noway@ool-44c515a9.dyn.optonline.net) 19.21.53 # Maybe the talk buffer code should round up the length for alignment 19.22.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.22.51 # indeed 19.23.13 # bbl 19.23.35 # http://pastebin.com/663367 <-- I'm still getting a data abort and now feeling very stupid about it. 19.23.59 Join ^BeN^ [0] (n=Paprica@TLV62-0-124-132.bb.netvision.net.il) 19.24.11 # Otoh, all current voice files have amultiple-of-4 length, dunno why 19.24.27 # lostlogic, on a completely unrelated note, do you apply replay gain to your files or just use the csv file? 19.24.31 # Everyone! Make fun of my wps!!! http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/862/basbig8dw.jpg 19.24.38 # voltagex: just to the headers 19.24.56 # lostlogic: what app does that? 19.25.04 # voltagex: replaygain 19.25.07 # mp3gain? 19.25.09 # vorbisgain 19.25.27 # mp3gain...doesn't that alter the file? 19.25.34 # not the music data 19.25.58 # voltagex: you can set it to alter the data or not 19.26.05 # voltagex: it's just nonobvious how :-P 19.26.08 # Can someone help me out with my text entry problem? It's probably very simple 19.26.18 # I want to be really really sure before I run it over 72gb of mp3 19.26.20 # punkrockguy318: I've not figured it out myself yet, or I'd help ya :-P 19.26.49 # lostlogic: hmm.. I know I got down to the filename once, but I'm not sure how 19.26.51 # punkrockguy318: you just keep pressing down 19.26.52 # voltagex: My recommendation is to use foobar2000 to add replaygain tags to your files. 19.26.53 # <_glassJAw> my nick is stolen =) 19.27.15 # dpassen1: and rockbox will read them? 19.27.22 # infamis: when i scroll down it just brings me back up to the top 19.27.30 # yea 19.27.35 # ok thanks 19.28.01 # infamis: nevermind 19.28.27 # infamis: it's pretty subtle that the cursor is at the filename... the cursor doesn't change at all once your at the filename 19.28.34 # as soon as the text entry thing comes up, press down 8 times 19.28.39 # ok 19.28.59 # <_glassJAw> voltagex: its _jim_fear guess what 19.29.18 # _glassJAw: didn't work? 19.29.24 # <_glassJAw> negative =( 19.29.32 # <_glassJAw> it seems to stutter less!? 19.29.39 # <_glassJAw> but if i hold down up or down in a dir 19.29.43 # <_glassJAw> it still stops the audio 19.29.45 # <_glassJAw> all together 19.29.54 # _glassJAw: absolutely no idea, sorry 19.30.00 Quit _jim_fear (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.06 Nick _glassJAw is now known as _jim_fear (n=noway@ool-44c515a9.dyn.optonline.net) 19.30.09 # <_jim_fear> thats cool 19.30.18 # <_jim_fear> im trying to find dircache 19.30.23 # anyone gonna make fun of my wps? http://img429.imageshack.us/img429/862/basbig8dw.jpg 19.31.05 # infamis: it's actually not too bad 19.31.40 Quit |kid| () 19.31.44 # <_jim_fear> damn wait voltagex lol do u know where to find the setting for dircache? 19.31.46 # voltagex: I second dpassen1's recommendation of foobar2000 for replaygain - works well 19.31.48 # yea I just needed something big when I'm driving since my eyes have to travel about 2 feet to reach the screen 19.32.08 # ts-x: are you using 0.8.3 or 0.9 19.32.08 # _jim_fear: general settings i think 19.32.36 # infamis: seems a little unintuitive to me.. I'll see if I can do something about it. In the mean time, I submitted a patch 19.32.52 # 0.8.3, although I downloaded 0.9 but haven't installed 19.33.15 # lostlogic: when you're not too busy would you mind checking out the codecs makefile? 19.33.21 # I know id3v2 handling was changed in 0.9, I'd like to know if the tags are still readable 19.33.26 # I'll probably test soon 19.33.28 # voltagex: never not too busy ;) 19.33.58 # punkrockguy318: just takes some time gettin used to...I discover new menu options every day! 19.34.05 # lostlogic: :(( 19.34.07 # <_jim_fear> alright guys i give up for now 19.34.09 # dpassen1: Is there a way to retain your current settings when upgrading, or do you have to do a clean install? 19.34.14 # <_jim_fear> thanks for ur help lostlogic and voltagex 19.34.22 # _jim_fear: juck 19.34.24 # luck that is 19.34.28 # <_jim_fear> lol 19.34.29 # <_jim_fear> ok 19.34.32 # <_jim_fear> thx 19.34.48 # clean, but you can install to a different folder, and have 2 different versions residing 19.35.04 Quit _jim_fear ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.35.15 # columns_ui settings can be retained, if you export them to a .fcs file 19.35.20 # holy $#@% 15 hours for replaygain 19.35.40 # That's what I was thinking about doing - I've got the interface pretty highly customized and don't want to have to rebuild it right now :) 19.36.03 # infamis: yeah, i understand, but it could be a little more intuitive by default. Perhaps a blinking cursor, or a box displayed around the filename to show where the focus is? 19.37.25 # punkrockguy318: I have to admit that the first time I saw a text entry screen and all of a sudden no character was highlighted, I didn't know the cursor was at the filename row...so I'm actually with you 19.37.35 # amiconn: no thoughts on the code snippets I pastebinned? 19.38.53 # lostlogic: oh, sorry 19.39.14 # 3:40am, need sleep 19.39.16 # The offset calculation is wrong; my formula was for direct ligning 19.39.17 # bye all 19.39.34 # infamis: yeah... it's not that it's inheritly wrong the way it is, but it COULD be improved. that's what's interface is all about 19.39.58 # amiconn: so the one in the buffer reset is ok but the one for the buf_widx is wrong? 19.40.06 # ...but I see that you need the offset for correcting the length. 19.40.14 Part voltagex ("libdumb libdumb libdumb it's just a DUMB codec... hi lostlogic and HCl :)") 19.40.18 # No, both are wroing 19.40.45 # :( I'm so glad you're here... Takes me forever to figure things like this out. 19.41.41 # offset = (-(size_t)filebuf) & 3; 19.41.45 # amiconn: oooh, I see whatchu mean, and why the offset calculated that way doesn't work. 19.41.50 # Note the 'minus' 19.41.53 # yep 19.42.13 # amount = (-buf_widx) & 3; 19.43.06 # Btw, in this case it's a good thing that you're developing on ipod; you won't notice these things on iriver 19.43.34 # amiconn: it would just hurt performance on iRiver? 19.43.38 # yes 19.44.55 Join FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46B48.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.53 Join filoktetes [0] (n=filoktet@g-001.osl255.netcom.no) 19.47.13 Join webguest12 [0] (n=471f64aa@labb.contactor.se) 19.48.08 # ermm 19.49.35 Quit webguest12 (Client Quit) 19.51.22 Quit lee-qid_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 19.53.37 Quit warthawg ("my work here is done") 19.54.38 Quit infamis ("scary movie4 download completed") 19.57.19 Quit _FireFly_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 20.00.06 # isnt it true that li-ion batteries need few full charge-discharge cycles before they reach full capacity? 20.00.16 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.00.47 # I've been running the battery test on fresh ipod nano and its been 5.5 hours and already its showing 10% battery 20.01.28 # hmm, it seems the build system has jammed 20.01.52 # amiconn: btw, now the tagcache is committed in background if dircache has been enabled 20.11.58 # ugh 20.18.30 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.20.02 Join mikolas [0] (n=mikolas@a85-156-210-49.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 20.20.48 Join mbalazs [0] (n=5665c683@labb.contactor.se) 20.21.35 Join hack [0] (n=KELEBEK@88.240.117.33) 20.23.02 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 20.23.10 # hey, anyone know how to reset the settings of rockbox to default from a computer? 20.23.52 # I can't access to rockbox, because there are white background and foreground 20.23.59 # xha 20.24.10 # erase .rockbox and extract it again 20.24.14 Join emacse1 [0] (n=serge@c-69-143-163-228.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 20.24.21 # I already did 20.24.25 # still the same 20.24.26 # I found a skin that I like... how do I actually install it? 20.24.50 # mbalazs: then something's messed up. 20.25.05 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 20.25.17 # I think it stores the settings in the memory or some hidden place I can't reach 20.25.58 Part hack 20.26.10 # nothing's messed up, because I experienced this problem a few times and reinstalling rocbox solved it 20.26.35 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 20.26.36 # but now somehow it won't work 20.28.26 # did you remove .rockbox recursively? 20.28.37 # the prefs are saved in files in the filesystem right? 20.28.54 # dammit. ipod froze yet again... 20.28.57 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.29.45 # I did remove it recursively (from total commander, shift + del) 20.30.17 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd03f.f.strato-dslnet.de) 20.30.42 # are more buildservers still needed? 20.31.48 # Man, I'm taking a look at some of the kernel stuff of rockbox. How the heck was this written without documentation of the hardware? Crazy! 20.32.27 # hrm... anyone here have an ipod nano? 20.33.34 # i'm just setting up different cross compilers and i have my server online 24/7 so i could contribute some cpu for the project. the line is only 8/1mbit. 20.35.42 # emacse1: o/ 20.36.02 # Ave: can you play ogg vorbis files? 20.36.11 # and can you recommend a font/wps combination? 20.37.03 # sure I can play vorbis 20.37.11 # mine doesn't play Vorbis... 20.37.20 # did you have to do anything? 20.37.28 # and well, imo there is only one good looking wps, the ipod nano with some smaller font 20.37.42 # I compiled from cvs code but any daily oughta work just as well 20.37.57 # Ave: I found a nice one on the page... is there a way to put a WPS in after the fact? 20.38.03 # I like the Brushed Metal one 20.38.26 # unzip the theme in .rockbox and then use the theme selector 20.39.14 # k, lemme try 20.41.01 # mbalazs: Which player do you have? 20.41.16 # sometimes the themes have extra directories, just watch out for those 20.42.04 # linuxstb: i have an ipod video 5g 20.42.53 # Then just turn the hold switch on whilst Rockbox is starting - that resets the settings. 20.43.57 # it doesn't like my ogg vorbis files 20.44.06 # is there a specific kind of vorbis file it wants? 20.44.46 # No, there's nothing special about the vorbis file Rockbox plays. What happens when you select one? 20.44.53 # it skips to the next one 20.45.04 # the "next one" being the one and only mp3 file I have 20.45.22 # I have about 10 vorbis files 20.45.30 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 20.45.59 Join |Unknown| [0] (i=pinchas@216-145-235-24.rev.dls.net) 20.46.01 # <|Unknown|> hey 20.46.07 # I think the only vorbis files that cause problems are ones encoded with a very early version of the vorbis encoder. Maybe that's the case with your files. 20.46.23 # LOL okay and now it's frozen :) 20.46.33 # <|Unknown|> anyone fix rockboy yet? 20.46.34 # linuxstb: maybe... should I just try others? 20.47.11 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.47.40 # linuxstb: thx, it worked !! 20.47.51 # another question 20.48.01 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.48.19 Quit linuxstb (Nick collision from services.) 20.48.21 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 20.48.32 # no... it doesn't even like ogg files I ecoded myself recently 20.48.55 # I'm new to the ipod hardware but I'm wondering whether how the ipod plays mp3 when it's running the original firmware or something else 20.49.07 Join humulus [0] (n=humulus@yogi.htu.tuwien.ac.at) 20.49.12 # cool 20.49.16 # hi 20.49.17 # does rockbox play the songs by a software player? 20.49.28 # and does the original firmware do it too? 20.49.44 # Yes, the ipod uses the main CPU for audio decoding - both in the original firmware and Rockbox. 20.50.00 # oh, that's weird 20.50.09 # then why does rockbox slow down when I start rolling the clickwheel 20.50.10 # linuxstb: is there a hardware player ? 20.50.31 # linuxstb: or what is the opossite of software player? 20.50.32 # linuxstb: you know whats the function of the "other cpu" when under apple firmware? 20.51.00 # or other core, really 20.51.01 # is the original more optimized or something? 20.51.02 # humulus: The Archos devices that Rockbox supports has a hardware MP3 decoder. 20.51.35 # linuxstb: can you give me an ogg vorbis file that you know works? 20.51.43 # ups, eventually i would be interest. to work on rockbox, is it a gnu project? 20.51.46 # Yes, I'm sure Apple is using an MP3 decoder written by PortalPlayer which will be highly optimised. 20.52.00 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.stb.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 20.52.27 # humulus: It's not a GNU project, but it's licensed under the GNU GPL. 20.52.43 # emacse1: go to www.kahvi.org and snag a song 20.52.48 # linuxstb: ok, no fsf paper work :D 20.52.49 # linuxstb: I've tested it with all my ogg vorbis files. My podcast, the OpenBSD songs, etc 20.52.57 # who's working on the ipod 4g scaling? 20.53.26 # Ave: those are not ogg vorbis files 20.53.34 # i suppose there are developerz in here :) 20.53.35 # sure they are 20.53.49 # cool, would be interessted 20.53.55 # oh I see one now 20.53.55 # emacse1: ftp://ftp.scene.org/pub/music/groups/kahvicollective/kahvi175a_mikael_fyrek-st_mare%20abelle.ogg 20.53.58 # for example 20.54.01 # well, thanks for your help, I have to go 20.54.05 # bye 20.54.13 # emacse1: Have you done the usual checks for when something goes wrong? i.e. delete your .rockbox folder and rockbox.ipod, install the latest CVS build, and reset your settings? 20.54.13 Quit mbalazs ("CGI:IRC") 20.54.29 # always wanted to do some embeded stuff too :D 20.54.45 # linuxstb: this is from today 20.54.45 # piroko: I wouldn't say I'm working on it, but I committed it to CVS for the 4Gs. 20.55.02 # linuxstb: I just downloaded it 30 mins ago 20.55.05 # emacse1: Did the files work in the past? 20.55.17 # linuxstb: I don't know. I never installed Rockbox before 30 mins ago :) 20.55.55 # linuxstb: i'm pretty sure it's causing the ipod to lockup after an hour or so, just fyi 20.56.08 # piroko: Why do you blame the CPU scaling? 20.56.18 # because I turned it off and it played flawlessly 20.56.59 # okay it likes THIS ogg vorbis file... 20.57.11 # so now we have to ask: Why is your ogg vorbis file different than mine? 20.57.47 # emacse1: what program are you using to encode? 20.57.57 # piroko: oggenc 20.58.00 # oh 20.58.01 # :P 20.58.43 # ah, but maybe an old one! 20.58.49 # Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) 20.59.05 # piroko: OK. That's suspicious. But I know there are other bugs which could be causing lockups. But I'll remember it. 20.59.06 # 1.0.2 is out 20.59.07 # same with song37 from OpenBSD 20.59.13 # linuxstb: ok thanks 20.59.32 # Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20040920 is from the ogg vorbis file that linuxstb gave me... 20.59.42 # I didn't give you a file.... 20.59.43 # My latest PCF i2c driver cuts the cpu load down from 12.3% to 5.8% at 45MHz, and from 50% to 13.3% at 11MHz (124MHz: no change) :-) 20.59.50 # <|Unknown|> anyone fix rockboy yet? 21.00.14 # amiconn: Nice work. Now fix the ipod i2c driver... 21.00.33 # I'll check it once more, then commit 21.00.47 # Same technique should be applied to the H1x0 adc driver 21.01.57 # LOL one ogg vorbis file crashes it 21.02.09 # |Unknown|: You'll have to be a bit more specific in your question. 21.02.31 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 21.05.00 # does rockbox have audioscrobbler support yet, or support for recording how many times you've listened to a particular track??? 21.05.10 # bbl 21.05.13 Part amiconn 21.05.46 # umm so I was just playing an MP3 on my iPod 4g and it crashed giving me this message: "Data Abort at00045FC4" 21.05.52 # heh nice, I ran the battery_bench and well the pwoer ran out, and NOTHING got into the logfile, not a single row? 21.06.05 # I can supply the original file. Nothing fancy.. just a 128kbps mp3 21.06.50 # yobesoom: Thanks. I'll have a look at your file. Can you upload it somewhere? 21.06.58 # yeah I'll toss it up on yousendit 21.07.17 # linuxstb: wait, you'll take his files, but not my self-encoded ogg or OpenBSD song? 21.07.39 # I know nothing about ogg... 21.07.52 # Data aborts I can debug. 21.07.54 # emacse1: run ogginfo on the files 21.08.04 # Ave: I have. What am I looking for? 21.08.09 # emacse1: or try the kahvi link there and wahts been suggested to you 21.08.17 # try older release etc 21.08.30 # Ave: I did that. the kahvi works 21.08.37 # ok so you ahve bogus files 21.08.40 # toss em 21.09.00 # Ave: no, they're not bogus. They work on my computer just fine 21.09.01 # and upon closer inspection it was 192kbps.. but still that's nothing funky 21.09.58 # emacse1: well for this particular decoder they seem bogus, then? 21.10.14 # tremor maybe doesnt like old files 21.10.30 # Ave: okay, that's fine... but can you define "old"? 21.10.43 # [21:58] < emacse1> Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20030909 (1.0.1) 21.10.45 # maybe? 21.10.59 # Vendor: Xiph.Org libVorbis I 20040920 21.10.59 # also failed 21.11.03 # or it could be soemthing else like multiple streams 21.11.29 # Ave: do you know ogg vorbis or are you guessing? 21.11.40 # so, my nano battery lasted for 8 hours solid playback decoding 192kbps cbr mp3 with very little actual menu usage etc backlighting 21.11.59 # Ave: oh you're from Finland... I've been watching your video all weekend... it's haunting my dreams! 21.12.13 # mostly guessing, but I know there are some limitations in the vorbis decoder 21.12.17 # what video is that 21.12.19 # file's up 21.12.29 # Ave: Armi and Danny :) 21.12.37 # thats 30 years old, give it a rest 21.12.41 # should I post the url in here since freenode won't let me msg people? 21.12.56 # Ave: I only saw it Friday, and it's only 23 years old 21.13.03 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.13.10 Quit thegeek (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 21.13.18 # well h, its actually so bad it becomes good 21.13.42 # Ave: anyway... most of these files I can give to you to try yourself, if you want 21.14.15 # I just ran my battery flat for no reason whatsoever, logging failed.. 21.14.50 # Ave: don't run your battery flat :) 21.14.52 Quit smoothie24 ("Leaving") 21.15.27 # I was trying to get a better battery estimate voltages but turns out its pretty damn accurate 21.15.55 # ipod died within 30 seconds of the meter reaching 0% 21.15.55 # Ave: so is that a no? 21.15.58 # yobesoom: Downloading now.... 21.16.12 # okay 21.16.13 # emacse1: cant do jack at the moment but you can always send the files 21.16.22 # or put em up somewhere 21.16.24 # Ave: send them where/how? 21.17.31 # I did mine on yousendit 21.18.20 # yobesoom: Your track plays fine for me on my 4g Color. 21.18.26 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp124-122.adsl.forthnet.gr) 21.18.30 # doesn't crash halfway through? 21.18.42 # my 4g is bw 21.19.09 # Haven't got that far yet... I'll play it all the way through now. 21.19.14 # ok 21.19.49 # I guessed you had a greyscale 4g - but this kind of problem should affect all ipods equally. 21.20.17 # Also, are you using the very latest CVS version of Rockbox? 21.20.31 # linuxstb BTW is the daily build from the CVS? 21.20.34 # I put on CVS from like 3 days ago 21.20.35 # or another branch? 21.21.13 # yobesoom: That is _very_ old considering the rapid changes the playback code is going through. I would guess your bug has already been fixed. 21.21.25 # 3 days is old? O_o 21.21.31 # okay I'll update and see if the bug repeats 21.21.37 # emacse1: The daily build is just a CVS build made at a fixed time each day. There is nothing special about it. 21.21.59 # linuxstb: well you mind trying the ogg vorbis files I have? 21.22.04 # see if they work for you? 21.22.10 # yobesoom: Yes, there have probably been about 20 changes to the playback code since then... 21.22.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.22.18 # emacse1: Sure. 21.22.36 # ftp://ftp.openbsd.org/pub/OpenBSD/songs/song37.ogg 21.23.39 # do you know if anyone is actively working on the aac playback code? 21.23.47 # it doesn't play any of the files I've encoded 21.25.04 # that's one... here's another, this one I made myself... http://www.tux.org/~serge/atome/atome-2005-04-14.ogg 21.25.10 # yobesoom: No, I don't think anyone is working on it. 21.25.17 # linuxstb: sorry they're big 21.25.49 Quit |Unknown| () 21.26.01 # emacse1: song37 is playing fine for me now. 21.26.14 # linuxstb: now? as opposed to before? 21.26.27 # linuxstb: you using CVS? daily build? 21.26.27 # No, I just mean I am currently listening to it. 21.26.35 # The current CVS. 21.26.46 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.27.06 # does rockbox have audioscrobbler support yet, or support for recording how many times you've listened to a particular track??? 21.27.14 # powr-toc: No. 21.28.00 # linuxstb: is it planned? 21.28.05 # powr-toc: There was support for recording how many times you've played a track, but with a recent reworking of the database system the old method had to be removed. It'll hopefully be back eventually, but there's still a ways to go first. 21.28.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: cool... 21.28.37 # I think I'd find it quite handy... 21.28.37 # linuxstb: song37 now plays for me... WTF 21.29.23 # powr-toc: Well, as I said it'll be back in time. There's no specific schedule for Rockbox features though, so it can't really be predicted when. 21.29.30 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.29.50 # linuxstb: anyway... that's enough for now I guess *shrug* 21.29.52 # what would be cool is if there were some kind of scripting/plugin system so that you could develop your own behaviours for things to do at various events (e.g. track start, end) etc... 21.29.55 # thanks all 21.29.56 Part emacse1 21.30.40 # powr-toc: You have the full source code... So you can theoretically make it do whatever you want. 21.30.43 # powr-toc: Well, since it's open source you could always just code yourself a patch. That's essentially scripting, just compiling it before the script is run. ;-) 21.31.31 Join criminy [0] (n=criminy@c-24-99-60-117.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 21.31.33 # linuxstb: Paul_The_Nerd: Sure, unfortunately I have other development demanding my time... 21.32.13 # powr-toc: Well y'know... a scripting system takes just as much time to develop a script for as programming does, and at least with C it's an existing language. :-P 21.32.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: true, but you could 'theoretically' port python to rockbox, that'd be neat. 21.33.13 # Though I'd imagine you'd probably be better using ipodlinux for that 21.33.28 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 21.34.21 Quit criminy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.34.24 Join criminy [0] (n=criminy@c-24-99-60-117.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 21.36.41 Join Marsdaddy [0] (n=Spoonhea@jenandpaul.plus.com) 21.37.31 Part Marsdaddy 21.39.25 # powr-toc: Don't forget you're dealing with an embedded platform with very limited resources... 21.39.33 # And no malloc. 21.40.06 # linuxstb: sure... 21.40.52 # I was just saying it'd be cool 'if'... I realise it's a little trickier in reality. 21.41.24 # It's not a case of being tricky - more a case of not being the most efficient solution to the problem. 21.41.24 Quit criminy (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.46.53 Join criminy [0] (n=criminy@c-24-99-60-117.hsd1.ga.comcast.net) 21.47.48 # Anyone who's currently working on the dumb-codec? 21.49.08 Join ^BeN^ [0] (n=Paprica@85-250-167-231.bb.netvision.net.il) 21.49.09 # quick question... 21.49.13 # ravon: I don't believe anyone has touched it for months. 21.49.16 Join webguest42 [0] (n=56905321@labb.contactor.se) 21.49.17 # the tagcache stuff 21.49.26 # are we slowly moving to a tag database like thing? 21.49.31 # linuxstb: osnap, oki, thanks. I might give it a shot tomorrow then. 21.49.44 # and is some tagdb etc. sceduled for 3.0 ? 21.49.51 # you fucked my ipod you cunts 21.49.57 # lol 21.50.21 # Do you have a problem? 21.50.24 # is tagcache something you need to install separately (plugin) or does it come as built-in? 21.50.25 # Yeah, damn that Rockbox team. Forcing their firmware onto players at gun point 21.50.26 # webguest42: you might want to try I different approach 21.50.29 Mode "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.50.36 # s/I/a 21.50.58 # Ave: Built in. 21.50.59 # t0mas: tagcache is the replacement for the old tag database in Rockbox. tagcache is an advertised feature of 3.0 21.51.05 # ok 21.51.12 # and the runtime db etc? 21.51.19 # No, the runtime db is for later. 21.51.20 Quit webguest42 (Client Quit) 21.51.30 Mode "#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 21.51.51 # hmm... the gather runtime data option is still in the menu... 21.51.51 # t0mas: I'll give you even odds that his iPod got screwed up by improperly following the directions. 21.51.54 # I'm sure he/she feels better now... 21.52.06 # Paul_The_Nerd: you can't screw up ipods... 21.52.37 # t0mas: You can if you don't know what you're doing. But never permanently. 21.52.44 # you can brick an Iriver by flashing with something weird... but Ipods are always restorable 21.52.56 # maybe you should include directions to back up the whole first partition just in case and how to restore it 21.52.59 # that's what I mean... you can always restore the original state 21.53.02 # or even the whole disk 21.53.09 # Ave: That's exactly what the installation instructions do say. 21.53.15 # does it? heh 21.53.21 # yeah, but he might have missed that ;) 21.53.28 # linuxstb: it's not about efficiency though... it's about having an extension architecture to allow end user innovation (as in firefox/extensions/greasemonkey) 21.53.34 # but hey... there's a tool from apple to fix a "broken" ipod 21.53.36 # t0mas: Yeah. I know you can't permanently screw them up. But believe me, it's very very easy to have people THINK they're permanently screwed up. 21.53.59 # powr-toc: It's open-source. That's about as "end-user" extensible as you can get. 21.54.00 # yeah, like we had with iriver too 21.54.15 # powr-toc: You can't ignore efficiency - especially when Rockbox runs on devices with 11MHz processors and 2MB of RAM. 21.54.16 # low battery power made the original firmware hang on boot 21.54.17 # hey, can you actually make the second partition a little bigger? 21.54.25 Join webguest27 [0] (n=56905321@labb.contactor.se) 21.54.39 # because rockbox is using only so little of the 80 or so megabytes that the first partition originally occupies 21.54.42 # you owe me a new cunting ipod 21.54.47 # lol 21.54.55 # webguest27... what's your problem? 21.54.57 # webguest27: If you have a problem, we'll be happy to help. 21.55.07 # webguest27: You might want to start with "My iPod's not working after I tried to install. How do I fix it?" 21.55.11 # I'm usually much better with that one. 21.55.17 # it's brust 21.55.21 # yeah, and then add what you did 21.55.26 # and why you think it's borken 21.55.28 # brust is not a word in the English language. 21.55.29 # *broken 21.55.34 # chuck it though the window 21.55.50 # bastard 21.55.54 # thou shall not feed the troll 21.55.54 # LOL 21.56.00 # webguest LOL 21.56.03 # Well, we certainly aren't responsible for physical damage that you have incurred to the device. 21.56.04 # * t0mas feels some ban comming :P 21.56.07 Mode "#RockBox +o t0mas " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 21.56.08 # "cunting" ipod huh 21.56.16 # Paul_The_Nerd: sure, but that hasn't stopped many OSS projects developing extension api's. e.g. eclipse, jedit, netbeans, firefox, thunderbird, almost every irc client, emacs, vi.... 21.56.31 # bye webguest 21.56.39 # powr-toc: Yes, but those applications don't run on very limited battery-powered embedded devices. 21.56.44 # way to follow the instructions CORRECTLY 21.56.59 # you owe me 21.57.00 # linuxstb: sure... 21.57.06 # powr-toc: I'm not saying a scripting extension system is impossible, or a bad idea, just that there may be other solutions. 21.57.15 # webguest 21.57.17 # whats ur email 21.57.18 # linuxstb: ! 21.57.21 # powr-toc: Yes, but those are also run in vastly different environments. Like, those where such a thing is really possible. 21.57.23 # how does 300 on paypal sound ? 21.57.29 # i'm looking forward to trying out some sids, heh 21.57.50 # webguest27: If you threw your iPod through a window, how is that *our* problem, 'eh? 21.58.04 # preglow: It's working nicely. Myth1 is the person who ported his own sid player to Rockbox. 21.58.15 # is it possible to repartition the ipod drive? because of: 21.58.17 # -rw-rw---- 1 root root 79M 2006-04-15 10:44 nano_boot.img 21.58.17 # -rw-rw---- 1 root video 4.6M 2006-04-15 10:48 rockboot.bin 21.58.30 # the first partition is wasting 74 megs? 21.58.40 # linuxstb: rainer? 21.58.45 # Yes. 21.58.50 # linuxstb: well perhaps the rockbox community could investigate or discuss what those solutions might be, and whether or not they are viable. 21.58.55 # yeah, i remember him and kb writing that player a long time ago 21.59.12 # kb is/was the big soft-synth guy on the demo scene 21.59.17 # Ave: The Apple firmware uses that partition to hibernate. So you can't completely shrink it - unless you never let the Apple firmware hibernate. 21.59.18 # wank 21.59.28 # lol webguest 21.59.50 # linuxstb: hm ok ic, well thats space for "one more album" .. ah well 22.00.40 # I dont plan to use apple side - ever, so I can experiment with it and restore the original layout if something breaks 22.00.44 Join BHSPitMonkey [0] (i=steve-o@adsl-64-123-190-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 22.01.15 # webguest 22.01.15 Quit webguest27 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.01.21 # preglow: It could do with some EMAC optimisations I think. The filters are currently disabled - they were too slow on Coldfire, and the ARM just about managed to run them in realtime. 22.01.39 # powr-toc: Or someone could just implement whatever idea they have, and submit it as a patch. 22.02.10 # linuxstb: i'll have a look at it, sid without filters is no fun 22.02.15 Join Marsdaddy [0] (n=Spoonhea@jenandpaul.plus.com) 22.02.23 # they're simply state variable filters anyway, so should be quite easy 22.02.29 # s/simply/simple/ 22.02.33 # Ave: Yes, if you never leave your ipod in the Apple firmware for more than 12 hours, you should be fine to reduce it down to about 5MB. 22.02.36 # Paul_The_Nerd: sure... but that only scales so far as an extension model. 22.02.59 # We already have a plugin API. What can't you do with that? 22.03.31 Join Can0Beans [0] (n=chris@pool-71-162-14-56.pitbpa.fios.verizon.net) 22.03.34 # linuxstb: the only reason I might go into apple side is to use it for battery charging, but even that may be useless, ipod nano uses all hardware for charging right? so the firmware should not matter one way or another? 22.03.46 # linuxstb: Can you capture events and execute on them? e.g. end of a track, start of a track etc? 22.03.54 # Can anyone tell me if Rockbox works on the 4g mini? 22.03.57 # * powr-toc doesn't know too much about the rockbox internals 22.04.00 # Ave: You can just use disk mode for charging if you don't want to use Rockbox. 22.04.11 # i.e. practically nothing. 22.04.15 # I see lots of references to the 2g mini 22.04.37 # what font should be used to correctly render japanese characters in rockbox? 22.05.01 # unifont? 22.05.20 # Can0Beans: 2g means "2nd generation" 22.05.24 # oh 22.05.30 # linuxstb: I was looking at the code and unless you have HAVE_CHARGE_CONTROL (or so) defined rb doesnt really interfere with charging, right? 22.05.46 # powr-toc: No, I don't think you can currently get access to track change events. But if someone wanted to write a plugin which required them, then they could get added to the plugin API. 22.05.51 # so if my mini is second generation, I should be in business! 22.05.59 # I'm asking does it matter whether you are in rb or apple side at all 22.06.02 # BHSPitMonkey: yep, that's it. thank you! 22.06.08 # Can0Beans: Exactly 22.06.12 # np 22.06.38 # Ave: I don't know very much about the charging. I normally switch to disk mode or sometimes the Apple firmware when I leave my ipod to charge. 22.06.40 # Ave: I charge my Nano in Rockbox about half the time (since it automatically reboots anyway if I don't hold down menu) and haven't had problems yet. 22.06.41 # powr-toc: you talking about scrobbler support? 22.06.45 # i also see someone else has started some piezo work 22.07.03 # preglow: yeah, I blatently nicked some code you posted :) 22.07.15 # yeah ok, well all in all, if I just use apple disk mode to charge and it doesnt go to hibernate I can downsize the 1st partition 22.07.15 Join Paprica [0] (n=Paprica@89-138-19-232.bb.netvision.net.il) 22.07.32 # Ave: Yes - that's my understanding. 22.07.47 # BHSPitMonkey: Were you complaining about Sudoku the other night? 22.08.04 # I'll see the nano code about charging just in case, once more 22.08.21 # obo: haha, all is well 22.08.40 # * BHSPitMonkey hides from linuxstb 22.08.49 # linuxstb: no wonder, the filters use floats... 22.08.56 # preglow: have you looked at the patch - and if so, am I heading in the right direction? 22.08.56 # not complaining, just stating that it doesn't really work... 22.08.59 # preglow: I know... 22.09.15 # BHSPitMonkey: How old is your Rockbox? I made a few changes to Sudoku recently. 22.09.20 # linuxstb: resid uses fast fixed point filters, we should just steal those 22.09.52 # linuxstb: it's old, just disregard me for now 22.09.54 # obo: no, i just got back from the snowy hills, i'll have a look at it later 22.10.01 # I can't update it till later, anyways 22.10.26 # I fixed all the ipod annoyances (well, to my own satisfaction), and also added a random game generator. 22.10.30 # weird 22.10.32 # cool 22.10.43 Part phil 22.10.47 # today's firmware now plays a half second of AAC and dies 22.10.51 # linuxstb: can you create partial puzzles and solve them? ( I figured that's what "new" was for) 22.10.54 # that's better than none and dying 22.11.31 # "New" is to manually enter a game. You can then either solve it yourself, or Rockbox will solve it for you. 22.11.37 # excellent 22.11.58 # so now, you can get back to the menu at any time, without getting stuck? 22.12.19 # Hi all! I've written a plugin that uses a codec that requires file operations which are in librockbox -- when I try to link this for the iRiver it fails... 22.12.31 # Marsdaddy: hi, nice to see you here! 22.12.36 # Hopefully. The keys have been changed, so MENU takes you to the menu, and the clickwheel is used for movement (with line wrapping). 22.12.40 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 22.12.48 # preglow: thanx for the welcome 22.12.52 # wait, rockbox has a built-in solving algorithm? 22.12.52 # plugins can't use librockbox 22.13.00 # for sudoku? 22.13.00 # yes i know! 22.13.12 # piroko: Yes, it's been there since about last September. 22.13.24 # why doesnt sudoku work with nano, tho? 22.13.34 # holy crap that's amazing. there has to be a difficulty it can't solve though. some are really tough... 22.13.36 # Ave: No 176x132x16 art 22.13.38 # I have a sudoku j2me-game for siemens mobile with silar screen size 22.13.42 # so its doable.. 22.13.47 # similar 22.13.48 # Marsdaddy: all operations that are needed need to be simulated with the plugin api we have 22.13.59 # preglow: ok 22.14.05 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'll have a look at fixing that now. I'll just copy some smaller images. 22.14.09 # Marsdaddy: what functions do you need? 22.14.12 # Paul_The_Nerd: well if art is the thing holding it down.. 22.14.32 # preglow 22.14.37 # all the basics 22.14.45 # open/close/read/write 22.14.49 # myeah, right 22.14.53 # we have those in the plugin api 22.15.08 # basically you just need to store the plugin struct pointer globally 22.15.09 # and malloc? how do I handle that? 22.15.09 Quit filoktetes (No route to host) 22.15.26 # then write fopen() etc wrappers that access the plugin struct pointer and do what is needed 22.15.32 # Marsdaddy: we try to avoid malloc 22.15.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm fairly certain all it needs is tiles appropriate for the screen size. Not 100% though 22.15.48 # preglow: thanks for the pointers 22.15.51 # Marsdaddy: right now, everything that needs malloc fakes it 22.16.06 # Marsdaddy: but we're planning on including a real malloc for use by plugins only 22.16.10 # preglow, doom has a descent malloc 22.16.22 # kkurbjun: oh? cool 22.16.24 # I LOVE YOU GUYS!!! sorry... I'll be back in a bit 22.16.46 # preglow - this has been a big help, I've had a bad run recently fighting gcc-m68k 22.16.54 # Marsdaddy, if you want to use the malloc in doom copy z_zone.c/h and link them in your plugin 22.16.58 # Marsdaddy: oh? windows/linux? 22.17.07 # Marsdaddy: ahhh, you're speaking about the compiler bugs 22.17.13 # Marsdaddy: yeah, those are bloody annoying 22.17.13 # indeed! 22.17.20 # preglow, it's not the best algorithm, but it implements malloc, calloc, realloc, and free 22.17.24 # gcc really isn't the the best compiler on earth 22.17.27 # Had to rework some code in stupid ways 22.17.38 # Marsdaddy: yeah, unfortunately, we're not used to that 22.17.41 # ehh 22.17.44 # s/not// :) 22.18.00 # both arm and m68k gcc has had bugs 22.18.22 # we still see m68k gcc bugs all the time 22.18.42 # obo: yeah 22.18.43 Quit ^BeN^ (Connection timed out) 22.18.44 # Ok so I should use the plugin api - if I want a generic codec lib that is used in the main player and a plugin that should be ok? 22.19.00 # Your codec lib shouldn't use file I/O. 22.19.06 Join ^BeN^ [0] (n=Paprica@85-250-36-183.bb.netvision.net.il) 22.19.07 # linuxstb: for testing it can be nice 22.19.10 # but yeah 22.19.16 # the finished thing should not do file io 22.19.30 # Russ from last.fm was in here yesterday - they're working on a new system for DAPs 22.19.32 # rockbox has to handle all file buffering in the core 22.19.53 # Ideally the codec should be passed a pointer to some compressed data, and the codec will just uncompress that data. Without needing access to the disk. 22.19.53 # obo: yeah, they seem quite eager to cooperate, which is good 22.19.56 # obo: I'm not even too worried about scrobbler support, I'd just like to know what I've been listening to, so I can script some synchronising behaviours etc... 22.20.21 # preglow: only thing is at the moment it needs mktime()... 22.20.47 # powr-toc: ah, fair enough 22.21.03 # linuxstb: Yes I had a feeling that was the case... need to rework the codec 22.21.09 # obo: but scrobbler support would be close to ideal. 22.21.14 # linuxstb, thanks for fixing that red video build, I'm working on decreasing the code size now to try and avoid that stuff later 22.21.21 # obo: we'll be able to work around that 22.21.28 # kkurbjun: No problem. It's getting extremely tight now... 22.21.37 # well, I've got yet another half-finished patch here... :) 22.21.47 # linuxstb: so, should I put the io for handling the ASF wrapper in metadata? 22.21.54 # yeah, no kidding, there was very little added to the code on that last commit.. 22.22.00 # Marsdaddy: but please, do whatever is needed for testing, but the finished codec should work as linuxstb says 22.22.03 # on the H300's its not nearly as bad 22.22.06 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.22.19 # linuxstb: Apparently sudoku doesn't set its own font color, which can cause problems with a white background. 22.22.31 # and I was hoping to eventually add dehacked support... 22.22.46 # preglow: do you mean adding a mktime into rockbox? 22.22.48 Quit XavierGr_ (Connection timed out) 22.22.53 # Marsdaddy: Ideally you should change the codec so that it does all "I/O" using memory buffers. But as preglow said, that's less important than getting something running. 22.23.03 # Marsdaddy: all our early xxx2wav plugins did just what you say now anyway, we just had a library .c file that had FILE *fopen(etc, etc, etc) { rb->fopen(etc, etc, etc); } and so on, just simple wrappers calling the plugin struct pointers 22.23.31 # as a side question, was that old 640k limit on dos like the plugin limit in rockbox? 22.23.33 # preglow: interesting... 22.23.55 # Marsdaddy: i don't think we wrapped fopen, but the principle is the same 22.24.09 # My recollection is that the xxx2wav plugins would read the entire compressed file into memory, and then uncompress them - so no direct file I/O inside the codec. 22.24.11 # thanks for the input everyone... back to it. See you again. 22.24.15 Part Marsdaddy 22.25.00 Mode "#RockBox -o t0mas " by t0mas (n=tomas@rockbox/developer/t0mas) 22.25.19 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-96-222.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.25.34 # linuxstb: weird, but appears the smallest partition size you can crate is 8M 22.25.46 # 255 heads, 63 sectors/track, 248 cylinders 22.25.46 # Units = cylinders of 16065 * 512 = 8225280 bytes 22.25.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: I think a few plugins may have that problem. I fixed that bug in Snake2 last week. 22.26.16 # Ave: that's pretty normal... 22.26.18 # kkurbjun: no, not at all, really 22.26.27 # you can't create a partition smaller than 8 mb on a pc either 22.26.32 # thats perfectly ok 22.26.33 # kkurbjun: it was more of an architectural decision 22.26.33 # Agh 22.26.48 # kkurbjun: you had to tweak the on-chip memory controller to access more than 640k 22.26.53 # ah ok, its not often one meddles with this small disks these days.. 22.26.54 # Okay: I'm going to say something now that may sound stupid at first, but think on it for a moment before you tell me that. 22.27.58 # preglow, hmm, I knew there was a hardware limit as well.. were there any systems that had more then that 640k? 22.28.06 # When a user loads JUST a .wps, or a theme that changes WPSes but does not have a font color set, I think that it should reset the font to black. Black is the default, and most WPSes that use it don't set it to black. 22.29.01 # kkurbjun: sure, all of them, you just needed to tweak about 22.29.07 # all the emms and xmms drivers did this 22.29.15 # any special mkdosfs arguments that I should know about? (other than -F 32) 22.29.26 # the dpmi and vcpi systems did even more fancy stuff, using protected mode 22.29.39 # so you could access all 4gigs of memory 22.29.46 # all on a stock 386 22.30.02 # yes, ahh, so that 640k was extended memory also, just build on the motherboard? 22.30.15 # nope, main ram 22.30.58 # beware i might be spouting bullshit here, it's a really long time ago i dabbled with real mode memory management coding :) 22.31.32 # hmm, I never programmed in dos so I was never familiar with the design, I just remember it being a pain in the butt to get programs running if there were alot of tsr's running : ) 22.31.35 # kkurbjun, see http://www.dewassoc.com/support/msdos/msdos_memory.htm 22.31.57 # mikolas, thanks for the link 22.32.23 # kkurbjun: exactly :) i had to battle a lot with emm386 and qemm and the like myself 22.32.27 # i've pretty much forgotten about ms-dos memory management, fortunately i might add 22.32.39 Quit Paprica (Connection timed out) 22.32.45 # :) 22.32.46 # kkurbjun: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Expanded_memory is quite interesting 22.33.35 # thanks 22.34.54 Join Paprica [0] (n=Paprica@85-250-36-183.bb.netvision.net.il) 22.35.35 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.38.10 Join filoktetes [0] (n=filoktet@g-001.osl255.netcom.no) 22.38.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: I've just committed Sudoku for the Nano. 22.39.02 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.41.02 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.41.44 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-24-201.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 22.44.13 # Thanks 22.46.12 Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.46.39 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 22.51.34 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.55.15 # * midkay leaps into Photoshop to create Sudoku nano-specific bitmaps 22.55.31 # hm, what's up with the H320? last i checked there weren't 220x176 bitmaps. 22.55.38 # also using 160x128? 22.56.14 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.58.47 # midkay: There are 220x176 bitmaps (didn't you commit them?) 22.59.38 # The mini is the only device without Sudoku now... 22.59.49 # (and the Player) 23.00.33 # linuxstb, oh, riight.. hmm.. 23.00.44 # i committed updates to them, the last ones were awful IMO :) 23.01.02 # I won't argue with that. 23.01.11 # haha. 23.01.12 # hmm. 23.01.20 # I think the 5g could do with some as well if you're bored. 23.01.32 # yes, adapt it to fill the screen? 23.01.37 # Yep. 23.01.54 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.02.02 # yeah, might do that. hmm. 23.03.08 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@p54BD7F3C.dip.t-dialin.net) 23.05.01 # linuxstb, do you play sudoku a lot or even at all? 23.05.48 # i think i must have a bug here.. 23.06.15 # the number i'm trying to enter doesn't occur in the same vertical or horizontal row and it's giving me 'illegal move'.. 23.06.29 # re 23.06.50 # or region? 23.06.58 # ah, my asm question victim :) 23.08.07 # * amiconn still wonders about the mysteries of i2c 23.08.32 # Well, my driver brought down the load considerably, but it's still higher than I would expect 23.10.18 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 23.10.18 Quit Paprica (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.10.22 # what's ida telling me here: pea (loc_0_7C+4).w ? push effective address that's on location loc_0_7C+4 ? 23.10.46 # amiconn: your sister finally got rockbox credit after all the bug hunting? :) 23.10.55 # Hehe, yes. 23.11.13 # are you of scandinavian decent or something? your first names sound strangely norwegian/swedish 23.11.14 # Actually for gfx work, and I'm about to commit more: bubbles for archos 23.11.24 Quit sucka ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 23.11.31 # descent, that is 23.11.38 # Her name isn't scandianavian at all 23.11.50 # *scandinavian 23.12.31 # My name is scandinavian, but that's because this name was very popular in 1971 23.12.37 # sure is used a lot here :) 23.13.21 # amiconn, bubbles for archos, can't wait to see that :) 23.13.26 # great, another new target request 23.14.24 # She also made an better visible virtual harddisk icon 23.14.35 # -virtual 23.14.43 # amiconn: did bubbles actually make it under the 32k limit with all the levels? 23.14.53 # and is it actually usable??! 23.15.16 # RotAtoR: Bubbles is under 32K even on ipod mini, which is arm, and arm code is bigger than sh1 code 23.15.38 # ahh, ok 23.15.41 # by far 23.15.46 # i'd guess 23.15.55 # I didn't try it yet, she made the gfx, I have to adjust the code and find decent button assignments 23.16.03 # Easy for recorder, harder for Ondio... 23.17.07 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 23.17.34 Quit Una^ (Remote closed the connection) 23.18.09 # can one of the asm guru's help me pls? ^^ 23.18.43 # midkay: There's a bug in the quickscreen: If it decides to use the sysfont, it switches back to uifont too early (immediately after showing the text instead of when leaving the quickscreen): result: If the text still needs to scroll, it will be displayed with the wrong font as soon as it starts scrolling... 23.18.46 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.19.13 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.19.16 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.19.36 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 23.19.53 # Moos: Your observation was correct: Bagder's optimised lcd update breaks partial updates on X5 23.19.59 # (in 50% of all cases) 23.20.04 # amiconn, that's a known bug but i can't figure out how to fix it. 23.20.22 # i moved the font change to before the screen is even called and after, but i still had that problem. 23.20.22 # amiconn: hi, ohoh :( 23.20.39 # Hi midkay too 23.20.46 # hey Moos :) 23.21.02 # Moos: I'll probably have a shot, but debugging X5 code will be cumbersome for me... 23.21.16 # amiconn: and Bagder/LinusN aren't a lot arounds those last days 23.21.35 # amiconn: great, if you need I test something, just ask 23.21.38 # (I want to do it the right way and convert the whole lcd_write_data() mess to asm for performance) 23.22.01 # bbiab all 23.22.02 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 23.22.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.22.20 # Shouldn't be _that_ hard, since the controller is similar to the H300 one, and the main difference is the weird hookup which I know about 23.22.36 # amicoon: w00t then : ) 23.22.49 # I trust your asm knowledge ; ) 23.22.53 # man, mp3 is fast on coldfire now 23.23.03 # almost no boost even for 320kbps 23.23.06 # preglow: Now make it that fast on arm ;) 23.23.14 # hehe : ) 23.23.15 # pleez 23.23.16 # i'll try after 3.0 23.23.52 # We want to beat apple mp3 runtime... 23.23.53 # preglow: and please after 3.0, the musepack seeking thing, if you have a bit time : ) 23.23.57 # amiconn: yes........ 23.24.01 # Moos: yeah, i will 23.24.13 # great 23.24.30 # * amiconn takes another look at the pcf50606 datasheet 23.24.46 # it's a hack, but at least it's a pretty nice hack, and it works 23.25.00 # * Moos go to take some food 23.25.13 # preglow: musepack patch? 23.25.33 # Moos: yea 23.25.40 # oki 23.25.50 # * petur s(t)uck(s) at asm: pea (loc_0_7C+4).w 23.25.51 # you will improve this ; P 23.26.05 # petur: wonder what it means? 23.26.19 # what gets pushed? 23.27.31 # the address 23.27.39 # ehh, hmm 23.27.47 # i've never really used pea 23.27.56 # but it's really just a lea instruction with a push after it 23.27.59 Join mindmedic [0] (n=mind@TK212017121019.teleweb.at) 23.28.00 Quit Gena (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.28.07 # would this be a global variable? 23.28.18 # could be everything 23.28.24 # what code? 23.28.35 # h300 23.28.45 # isp1362 23.28.47 # ah 23.29.10 # it just looks to me like it pushes 'loc_0_7C+4' to the stack 23.29.22 # the chip won't talk to me so I try to read their code to see what i'm missing 23.29.35 # petur: This just pushes the the (short) value loc_0_7C+4' to the stack, sign-extended to long 23.29.37 # it just pushes a value to the stack 23.29.45 # ahh, so it sign-extends 23.30.01 # CFPRM.pdf, page 42 23.30.01 # right, thanks 23.30.17 # rtfm, yeah 23.30.18 # (addressing mode: absolute short) 23.30.50 # the ida output sometimes doesn't match the manual - how wonderfull :/ 23.31.05 # ? 23.31.19 # You mean the isp1362 manual? 23.31.38 # petur: you know if ida supports the emac instructions? 23.32.05 Join Gena [0] (n=Gena@80.178.120.11.adsl.012.net.il) 23.32.11 # preglow: m68k-elf-objdump doesn't even support all standard instructions correctly, let alone emac... 23.32.41 # the asm code ida produces is hard to understand for me... buut any asm would probably ... 23.33.00 Quit powr-toc ("Leaving") 23.33.23 # amiconn: ida is waaaaaaaaaay better than objdump 23.33.25 # What I found so far that's incorrectly disassebled by m68k-elf-objdump: * trapf / trapf.w / trapf.l * move.w #nnnn,%%sr 23.33.35 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 23.33.50 Join Arrogant [0] (i=Scott@125.orlando-06-08rs.fl.dial-access.att.net) 23.34.45 # amiconn: to my surprise nothing at all has happened with the m68k 64 bit gcc bug 23.35.01 # after more or less just being told i have to fix the bug myself, i just don't bother asking the devs anymore 23.35.02 # yeah :( 23.36.38 # it doesn't look like a very complicated bug, they do some wrong sign extension where they pretend all host ints are 32 bit 23.36.45 # but wading through gcc code gives me a headace 23.37.14 # i just don't see how, the only int i can see in that file is a 0 23.39.04 # i assume the features "wake on time" and "car adaptor mode" are for non-ipod models? 23.42.07 # by "wake on time" i mean "wakeup alarm" 23.42.44 # yep, so it seems 23.43.37 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.31 # piroko: Wake up alarm is possible on ipod afaik, but not implemented yet 23.44.49 # Same goes for H300... 23.44.55 # Yes, it should be fairly straightforward on the ipods. 23.45.14 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@85-250-36-183.bb.netvision.net.il) 23.47.09 # same with car adapter mode I would assume 23.49.19 # I _think_ Rockbox's car adapter mode just does things like pause/resume when external power appears and disappears. This is generic and should work on ipods. (I don't own a car, so have never used it). 23.49.52 # If you are thinking about support for ipod-specific car interfaces, then that's not trivial - but will hopefully come in the future, along with support for other ipod accessories. 23.51.50 Quit mikolas ("Leaving") 23.52.47 # i still can't grasp how cool rockbox is... 23.53.37 # when i tried it i was prepared for a experimental piece of firmware... 23.54.01 # linuxstb: Car adapter mode is actually 2 features, one of which is only for those units where rockbox can be flashed and usually shows a charging screen 23.54.24 # Car adapter mode makes more sense on units which automatically wake up when external power is applied 23.54.35 # sorry ^^ 23.54.40 # which reminds me: is Linus planning to let the h300 boot RB on AC power? 23.55.01 # It is planned, as soon as we can control the charging chip properly 23.55.21 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.55.49 # amiconn: I should read the manual... As you've probably spotted, the ipod wakes up when external power is applied. 23.56.57 # Car adapter mode does 2 things: (1) When rockbox is running, it pauses playback when external power is cut, and unpauses when external power returns. 23.57.05 # This is for short stops 23.57.41 # (2) When the unit wakes up from external power, it fully boots and resumes playback, instead of just showing a charging screen