--- Log for 17.04.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 22 days and 6 hours ago 00.00.06 # *not on 00.01.18 # In a way, car adapter mode is similar to the headphone detect feature of ipod retailos (iiuc, since I've never really used retailos) 00.02.54 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 00.05.23 Quit godzirra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.59 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 00.06.23 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-11-119.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.13.35 Quit FireFly_ ("Leaving") 00.14.08 # dernit, logf debug should show on the console in the sim, right? 00.14.23 # Yes, but it doesn't work on cygwin 00.14.33 # well I'm on linux... what'm I doing wrong? 00.17.37 # hmm, you did select a developer build and enabled logf, I suppose 00.17.51 # yeah, developer -> logf -> simulator 00.18.06 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.18.39 # *reconfigures clean and tries again* 00.18.51 # I admit that I didn't try that. I think it should work. What I know does work is DEBUGF() - that always works in the sim, w/o explicitly electing it 00.18.58 # *selecting 00.19.03 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.19.19 # linuxstb: Someone else has chimed in on the Troubles with a 4G Photo - freezing on startup type thread. I have to wonder if the CPU scaling fix isn't so "fixed" any more? 00.19.21 # * amiconn just improved H300 (and H100) adc button debounding 00.19.42 # Should solve Lear's "fake double-click" problem 00.20.43 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.21.40 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.22.01 # Has someone written code for double clicking? 00.25.09 # i don't think so, shouldn't be too hard though.. 00.25.32 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 00.25.33 # i did something somewhat similar for tetrox and the scroll wheel. 00.25.41 # Some places (well, one place) already uses double-clicking 00.25.49 # amiconn, where? 00.25.54 # oh, metronome? 00.26.10 # No, even in the core: Recording from radio on Ondio 00.26.19 # The principle is universal, of corse 00.26.20 # oh, interesting. 00.26.50 # Well, on Ondio we need it to prevent accidental recordings 00.27.15 # The Ondio has no hold switch, and no free combo in the fm screen to implement sof thold 00.27.33 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 00.28.05 # ah. 00.28.06 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 00.29.58 Quit Jaguar (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.30.21 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-43-247.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.30.52 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.40 Join Paprica [0] (i=Paprica@DSL217-132-220-47.bb.netvision.net.il) 00.33.45 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 00.34.09 # amiconn: doom needs a way for the player to run. I was thinking about adding double click to forward will make the player run... running is essential to even finish the game... i posted a mail on the ml.. what do you think? 00.34.33 # punkrockguy318: Or you could just remove the ability for the player to walk. 00.34.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: That might be a better idea.. Wonder if that would affect gameplay at all 00.35.13 Part mindmedic 00.35.48 # Paul_The_Nerd: CPU scaling was enabled on 7th April - the original poster says versions up to 14th April are OK. 00.36.02 # Does anyone know if the ipod can take scroll events and button pressing events at the same time? 00.36.52 # Yes, but they are slightly different. 00.37.16 # I'm looking at writing a patch for strafing in doom using the scrollwheel and the buttons 00.37.19 # A button press has both press and release events, but scroll events don't. 00.37.31 # hmm 00.37.35 # That's what makes it tricky to use them in games. 00.38.54 # i wonder if I could get it to work out? 00.39.02 # Also, button_status tells you which butons are currently pressed, but doesn't include scroll events. 00.39.18 # punkrockguy318: Well, if I recall "Run" also made you turn more quickly, so I'd suggest trying to adjust the turn speed to about an average of the two, because running-turn feels too fast to me for normal use. 00.39.41 # linuxstb: The scroll events are less special than you might think. 00.39.59 # Archos remote buttons also never send releases, or repeats 00.40.17 # ...and are not included in the status 00.40.19 # So are they included in button_status? 00.40.26 # linuxstb_: Yeah. The only reason I'm even bringing it up, is that they're both Photo iPods, and I'm wondering if maybe the fix got it working, but didn't actually solve the problem, so now that something else has changed it's back. Weren't the symptoms "random freezing"? 00.40.58 # Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, the symptoms are the same. But I don't get freezes on my 4g Color. 00.41.31 # Paul_The_Nerd & linuxstb, are you talking about iPod sluggishness? 00.41.48 # linuxstb_: Okay, well, I'll have them jump through a few more hoops then, and see if I can get more pertinent information. 00.42.00 # This is because of the way the archos remote works. It's a serial remote, with 9600baud unidirectional transfer. The repeat rate is so low (2 events / second) that it's impossible to detect repeat, or release 00.42.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not saying it's not caused by the CPU scaling code, just that it Works For Me. 00.43.17 # linuxstb_: Indeed. I'm not a big fan of "It doesn't work for X people, but everyone who can actually track it down doesn't have the problem." :( 00.44.16 # i get freezes on my 4g! 00.45.14 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.45.41 # piroko: Photo/Colour 4G? And describe the conditions that trigger them. 00.46.27 # greyscale, and when playing music, usually for at least 45 minutes but I haven't thoroughly tested it. i'm willing to do ANYTHING to help debug 00.47.38 # piroko: Well, the problem I'm tracking at the moment is specifically related to the Photo I think. But, let's start with "Are you using the Newest CVS build" and "For how long have you had this problem?" 00.48.06 # i'm using up-to-the-minute cvs, and I've had the problem every time I listen to music for more than an hour 00.48.22 # so far, i've only tested ogg 00.48.24 # at q3 00.48.28 # Can you rule out a specific audio track causing the problem? You said that disabling the CPU scaling fixed it - can you run for a few days without CPU scaling, and see if you get a freeze? 00.50.39 # linuxstb: i can, but the battery won't be able to last that long even if it's charging 00.50.57 # piroko: He means "Don't update for a couple of days, and use the player as normal" 00.51.24 # ah, gotcha. i think my battery time will significantly drop, but I'll give it a go. 00.51.24 # Yes, that's what I meant :) 00.51.45 Quit ^BeN^ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.52.39 # grabbing the source now... 00.54.04 # linuxstb_: I really don't know what to ask him, other than maybe "What bootloader version are you running" 00.54.52 # ahahahah 00.54.55 # sids on the ipod 00.54.59 # this bloody rocks 00.55.04 # Hehehe 00.55.09 # Apparently your day has been made? 00.55.14 # by god, yes 00.55.15 # ahahah 00.55.43 # it's really missing the filters 00.55.46 # i hope to fix that soon 00.56.29 # lostlogic: 2 new playback engine bugs :-( (1) Saving a cleared resume position doesn't work. If a playlist ends, you can resume again afterwards. It will play the last track from the beginning. (2) Directory skip totally confuses the engine. It starts stuttering, then drops out to the file browser. 00.56.59 # had heard both of those. 00.57.22 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 00.57.49 # I really do need help with the directory skip feature, because I have no idea how it's supposed to work, so I haven't even looked at updating it to work with the new code 00.57.51 # amiconn: I don't experience #1 on an H120 00.58.00 Join arf-arf4242 [0] (i=arf-arf@bb-87-82-3-185.ukonline.co.uk) 00.58.08 # hi guys 00.58.10 # I tried several times on H300. Got it everytime 00.58.24 # amiconn: need any more greyscale testing? :D 00.58.34 # the other is most likely a matter of my improved audio_current_track() being used to set the resume, and it deliberately tries very hard never to return NULL 00.58.54 # Zoide777: Not atm, thanks. Other things currently have priority (3.0 release targets) 00.59.04 # ahahaha 00.59.06 # god, this rules 00.59.08 # amiconn: ok 01.01.47 # not everyday you see an idiot bouncing around the floor clutching his ipod while you hear chiptunes too loudly from the earplugs 01.02.06 # Hahaha 01.02.38 # *stretch* playback, including resume from offset _starts_ with metadata on the buffer. I am overlooking something stupid that is causing next track information to overwrite current track information on the WPS though. 01.02.42 Quit arf-arf4242 (Client Quit) 01.03.31 # preglow: have any favorites? 01.03.56 # how do I get into the tagthing on ipod again? 01.04.08 # VARIOUS/G-L/Goto80/Truth.sid right now 01.04.19 # bluefoxicy: Hold Menu and choose to show ID3 Tags from the quick menu 01.04.24 # ah! I didn't know Goto80 made sid tunes... 01.04.26 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-96-138.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.04.31 # i've only heard his mp3s 01.04.33 # bluefoxicy: Assuming you've had it generate the cache. Instructions for doing that are at the TagCache wiki page 01.04.43 # piroko: oh, but he does 01.04.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'll do some more testing on my 4g and see if I can make it crash. 01.04.44 # preglow: the best part, they all use next to no cpu :D 01.04.49 # yeah haven't done tha tand am too lazy to go to the page telling me how :) 01.05.13 # drumnbass chip tunes > * 01.05.48 # linuxstb_: Alright. Umm... good luck? Heh 01.06.02 # We need lostlogic's metadata-on-audio-buffer patch - to get rid of the 32 track limit. You can fit a few thousand SIDs in the audio buffer... 01.06.15 # ameff.sid really needs the filters, gharh 01.06.42 # ah! I have to patch the source for the sid's before I re-compile this without freq scaling. thanks for reminding me! 01.06.44 # piroko: you'll recognize a lot of the sids if you've heard his monkey warning mp3 on monotonik 01.07.52 # preglow: Any clever ideas about handling track lengths? 01.08.10 # linuxstb_: the hvsc database thing is the only good solution 01.08.29 # preglow: found it! thanks 01.10.40 # crap. where is the ipod freq scaling define located again? 01.10.49 # what model? 01.10.52 # 4g 01.10.56 # greyscale 01.10.57 # config-ipodcolor.h, i think 01.10.59 # ahh 01.11.25 # config-ipod4g? 01.11.32 # in firmware/export 01.11.35 # yeah, i was there. i just found it 01.11.46 # i was searching for scale, when i should've searched for freq 01.12.23 # this is so flippin sweet. ROCK ON 8-BIT STYLE! HAZAA! 01.12.43 # * piroko has every mp3 from 8bitpeoples.com 01.12.46 # :D 01.12.49 # as you should 01.12.53 # yep 01.13.07 # god we're all just a bunch of geeks 01.13.13 # i just had to stop listening to sids 01.13.29 # i wont be able to go to bed if i continue 01.13.36 # lol 01.13.56 Join sando [0] (n=lolsteam@144.135.255.155) 01.14.15 # i love how you never find those dumb people that go into chatrooms just to talk about sex. they aren't smart enough to get onto irc ;) 01.14.19 Quit ender` (" Anyone who goes to a psychiatrist ought to have his head examined.") 01.15.55 Join webguest30 [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 01.16.35 Join sean [0] (n=18b8405c@labb.contactor.se) 01.16.35 Quit webguest30 (Client Quit) 01.17.20 # preglow: what timezone are you in? 01.17.47 # hey i have a question / concern regarding rockbox and ipod (4gen) battery life....has anyone noticed it is a lot shorter with rockbox? 01.17.56 # sean: yep. about 4 hours 01.18.01 # sean: it's being worked on 01.18.44 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.18.50 # piroko: gmt+1 01.19.02 # preglow: Not +2 with DST? 01.19.03 # preglow: wow. -5 over here 01.19.26 # amiconn: i have no idea, time zones are not among the things i consider myself knowledgable in 01.19.26 Quit sean (Client Quit) 01.19.42 # lol. i have a phd in timezones 01.20.20 Quit arf-arf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.47 # just got home from a lengthy mountain trip, so i'm quite beat 01.21.07 # piroko: i think i'm -5 here.. but i'm not sure 01.21.07 # if not i'd of course still be euphorpic from discovering rockbox doing sids 01.21.15 # euphoric too 01.21.32 # punkrockguy318: what state? 01.21.33 # lol 01.21.59 # piroko: nj 01.22.04 # yep -5 01.22.08 # ohio here 01.22.10 # :( 01.22.13 # ohio sucks 01.22.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.22.42 # nj isn't too great either :-\ all the towns/cities around me are really dirty.. and i feel like a minority! there's so many immigrants! 01.23.45 # lol 01.24.02 # What part of NJ? I'm from Staten Island, NY 01.24.43 # southern nj... cumberland area... 25 minutes from vineland 01.24.53 # * piroko starts rocking out to chiptunes with full cpu usage 01.24.53 # i love the staten island accent :) 01.24.58 # Cool, going to the Bamboozle? 01.25.06 # what is the MMC in HAVE_MMC ? 01.25.16 # bamboozle? 01.25.38 # Its a 2 day concert up in the Meadowlands, I'm guessing based on your username. 01.26.10 # Ave: MultiMedia Card, or whatever? 01.26.20 # what bands are playing? 01.26.42 # Quite a bit, I was considering going mainly because of Lifetime 01.27.12 # hmm 01.27.23 # Paul_The_Nerd: ah.. so hm its different from standard flash memory? like external slow memory 01.27.31 # i almost got tickets from dave matthews band for this summer, but i'm going to be away :( 01.27.45 # preglow: why does goto80 get shoved into VARIOUS? goto80 is a god... 01.27.47 # the whole damn code is full of "ifdef have_mmc" 01.28.00 # Ave: It's the card slot on the Ondio, I believe. 01.28.09 # piroko: indeed, tis sad 01.28.26 # preglow: how old are you, out of curiousity? 01.29.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok thanks 01.29.41 # does rockbox have any measurement of uptime? 01.29.55 # there is something in the debug menu 01.30.02 Join Carn [0] (i=asdwasde@ip70-180-252-197.lv.lv.cox.net) 01.30.13 # debug:show runtime 01.30.21 # sorry, view runtime 01.30.22 # I'm trying to figure out (still) how the runtime estimation works, its just using some current value out of the hat, based on 192kbps cbr mp3 playback, it seems 01.30.23 # hey uhm i just installed this , and the doom plugin.. how do i exit the game? 01.30.32 # blargh! What happened to the H300 bootloader 01.30.35 # Carn: push hold 01.30.36 # * amiconn runs 01.30.48 # don't suppose you know the variable name? :) 01.30.50 # piroko: 24 01.30.54 # sorry i have the 5g ipod 01.31.01 # i think i may be one of the youngest people here... 01.31.04 # haha 01.31.04 # at? 01.31.08 # 18 01.31.10 # amiconn: What happened? 01.31.11 # push hold on the 5g? 01.31.12 # not too bad, then 01.31.16 # i think we've got younger 01.31.23 # Carn: Yes, flip the hold switch on, wait about 1 second, and flip it off, and that brings up the menu 01.31.25 # nah. i used to be able to say i was 14. then it was cool ;) 01.31.26 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 01.31.31 # oh thanks alot 01.31.32 # Carn, yes the hold toggle thing 01.31.32 # =] 01.31.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: Check the build table... 01.31.50 # piroko: i'm 16 01.31.53 # sweet 01.32.16 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.32.20 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 01.32.29 # for some reason, my running time is blank and my current time reads 1 hour, 40 minutes, but I just booted... 01.32.32 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 01.32.44 # hmm 01.32.51 # current time doesn't work like that, i think 01.32.58 # i've no idea how it works, though 01.33.07 # amiconn: Aaah 01.33.12 # Current time should display the time since last charge. 01.33.30 # piroko: i take it you've got goto80's vinyl releases as well, then? :P 01.33.30 # Top time should show the top runtime between charges, until reset 01.33.37 # i want to learn more about hardware programming.. i know C.. but what should I take a look at to learn more about direct hardware programming so I can help out with kernel level things? I took a look at the rockbox kernel code, but all of the outw()s were beyond me :) 01.33.54 # preglow: are they off 8bitpeoples? 01.34.01 # amiconn: is your last commit for H300 only? 01.34.02 # or real vinyl? 01.34.06 # piroko: no, they're not available as mp3, just real vinyl 01.34.11 # Moos: yes 01.34.16 # amiconn: is there any kind of internal tick or counter? 01.34.18 # punkrockguy318: don't get scared by those, they're something we inherited from ipodlinux, hardware programming isn't very hard if you already know c 01.34.18 # k 01.34.34 # preglow: no :( are they still available? 01.34.42 # piroko: i don't know if you can by them anymore, though, i got them when they were still fresh 01.34.49 # piroko: he's got a cd you can still buy, though 01.34.50 # * piroko pouts 01.35.11 # preglow: what should I do to get started on hardware programming? i wrote a basic linux kernel module once.. but that was just, you know printf("hi i'm in the kernel"), etc 01.35.16 # Moos: The X5 PCF driver is pathetic. I expect it to drain even more CPU power than the old H300 one. It really needs work, but that can't be done w/o an X5 at hand 01.35.18 # preglow: i may just have to do that 01.36.10 # uh, I dont get it, itlooks like all CURRENT_NORMAL defs are conditioned away, so where does the ipod code get the values then 01.36.18 # amiconn: yes I guess :(, hopefully after the release LinusN will back to iaudio stuff 01.36.21 # argh. i still get the occasional "try-to-change-tracks-from-file-browser-but-then-don't-play-and-kick-me-back-to-file-browser" bug 01.36.42 # I got really weird crashes due to bugs on my H300, like backlight going off and not on again, or flickering backlight and non-working buttons. Booting into iriver fw fixed those nasty effect 01.36.43 # s 01.37.02 # amiconn: really *poor* runtime on iaudio currently :( (didn't make any benchmark yet) 01.37.03 # aaah no I'm blind 01.37.37 # amiconn: strange : ( 01.38.14 # is the afore mentioned bug known? 01.38.34 # Moos: Well, no wonder. If you set wrong port bits, or violate the i2c protocol, you can expect the PCF to hate you ;) 01.38.47 # hehe : ) 01.38.50 # Of course all these things are fixed in my committed versions 01.38.58 # -s 01.39.11 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.39.12 # goodie for release 01.39.26 # preglow: any resources you would reccomend? 01.40.28 # amiconn: still this mysterious batterie consumption on h3xx, I'm wondering if LinusN found a bit of time for investigate this before the release 01.40.47 # This definitely needs to be fixed before release :/ 01.40.51 # something definitively weird some wher 01.40.56 # indeed :( 01.41.30 # for h1xx runtimes are good 01.41.57 # Could be better.... 01.42.06 # always : ) 01.42.09 # will the sid codec ever be permanently committed to the source code or will it just be available as a patch? 01.42.37 # piroko: It will sure get committed, but most probably after the feature freeze 01.43.05 # punkrockguy318: no, none really, i just picked it up as i went 01.43.15 # amiconn: that kind of stuff canot make exception? 01.43.29 # bye 01.43.30 Quit Zoide777 ("CGI:IRC") 01.43.34 # preglow: Hmm... 01.43.36 # okey dokey. thanks 01.43.44 # I mean new codec not introduce new bugs on the core, right? 01.43.45 # Does anyone have any suggestions on how I should get started with hardware programming? 01.44.27 # rockbox is a nice way to start 01.44.37 # amiconn: it seems there was plenty of hidden sid users : ) 01.44.50 # oh YEAH! 01.45.12 # Moos: A new codec does introduce new code in the core, for metadata reading. 01.45.29 # indeed, not thought at that part 01.45.35 # it works fine so far as I can tell thus far 01.45.43 # * amiconn didn't check out the sid codec yet 01.45.55 # * amiconn would be more interested in ProTracker & friends 01.45.59 # * piroko hasn't had any problems with it yet 01.46.03 # amiconn: but if linuxstb, preglow... 'll manage to have it clean? 01.46.11 # hehe : ) 01.46.40 # sure, we'll have sid 01.46.53 # but after the feature freeze 01.47.01 Join webguest01 [0] (n=40959d7d@labb.contactor.se) 01.47.16 # unless you feel like patching, then you can have sid NOW :D 01.47.19 # I mean for people waiting release for use Rockbox, that could be good in the 3.0 release if all is fine, no? 01.47.21 # alright how come my music wont play 01.47.41 # Anyone wants to have a look at the new hd icon, or should I commit right away? It's better visible. 01.47.45 # preglow: ok, it seems everyone thought SID can wait 3.1 01.47.46 # Carn: Well, what's it doing? 01.47.48 # Carn: what is happening? 01.47.54 # like 01.47.55 # SID? 01.48.00 # i go to choose a song 01.48.02 # amiconn: if you've got it available in viewable form, sure 01.48.03 # and nothing happns 01.48.06 # amiconn, i'd like to see it either way, if you have a bitmap uploaded somewhere, sure.. 01.48.07 # Moos: It's the rules. If you make ONE exception, then other people start asking "Well, why can't MY thing have an exception." 01.48.12 # amiconn: please go go go 01.48.33 # and the song says o:oo/o:oo 01.48.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: there is _always_ exception for any rule ; ) 01.48.46 # punkrockguy318: what are you asking? 01.48.59 # What is SID? 01.49.05 # Carn: That's still vague. Directory browsing, or via TagCache? Have you moved the songs on your disk since building the tagcache? How old is your build? 01.49.10 # linuxstb_: you think the hvsc database approach is feasible, though? it'll introduce a not small delay to metadata loading... 01.49.19 # i got the latest build 01.49.20 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/HD_7x7_1.png 01.49.21 # its just 01.49.23 # the music wont play 01.49.30 # punkrockguy318: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOS_Technology_SID 01.49.33 # punkrockguy318: it's a synthesized music format 01.49.41 # Carn: You didn't answer *any* of the rest of my questions... 01.49.41 # old atari-like music 01.49.53 # amiconn: yeah, it does indeed look nicer 01.49.54 # lol 01.49.55 # sorry 01.50.09 Quit Carn () 01.50.13 # piroko: BHSPitMonkey thanks you 01.50.24 # yours welcome 01.50.35 # np 01.50.38 # * Paul_The_Nerd wonders how he's supposed to help people when all they'll say is "It just doesn't work." 01.50.39 # * Paul_The_Nerd sighs 01.50.47 # : ) 01.51.00 # amiconn: it's better than a circle with a dot in the middle ;) 01.51.09 # indeed : ) 01.51.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: could you have a look at the U.S. government for me real quick? 01.51.21 # I don't know what's wrong with it... 01.51.48 # wasn't there one good HD icon for WPS somwhere, a minus HD? 01.51.50 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 01.52.02 # BHSPitMonkey: That one's easy. One is a symptom of a greater problem. First letter "B" ends with an "ush". The greater problem though, is a big red R. 01.52.02 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.52.07 # okay 01.52.15 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 01.52.49 # * Paul_The_Nerd waits to try SID until Preglow has the filters working. 01.53.15 # * Moos never tried SID : ) 01.53.19 # yet ; ) 01.53.34 # Unfortunately my Nano doesn't have enough space free without even more trimming. 01.54.03 # * Moos looks on his X5 60 GB :P 01.55.07 Quit webguest01 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.55.32 # archoses have still the avantage big HD support 01.56.01 Join Carn [0] (i=asdwasde@ip70-180-252-197.lv.lv.cox.net) 01.56.19 # sorry, laggg out . the music isnt the problem the video is 01.56.23 # I dream of MIDI. 01.56.40 # (to my knowledge, it still doesn't work (or work well), right?) 01.56.54 # oh haha =X 01.56.54 # Carn: Well, Rockbox doesn't support video at all... 01.57.00 # duh -.- 01.57.02 # sorry 01.57.03 # =[ 01.57.06 # does rockbox support the ipod clicker? 01.57.19 # it doesn't make the piezo clicking sounds, no 01.57.33 # BHSPitMonkey: There's a patch for that. :-P 01.57.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: -.- 01.57.46 # does it work? 01.57.48 # BHSPitMonkey: we are "close" to have MIDI realtime.... somethi 01.57.53 # cool 01.57.57 # something for post 3.0 01.58.00 # BHSPitMonkey: I don't know how well the clicker patch works. I hate the clicker. 01.58.00 Part Carn 01.58.08 # wait, THAT'S what piezo is??? 01.58.16 # :O 01.58.16 # Paul_The_Nerd: ah, thought you meant midi 01.58.25 # umm 01.58.28 # * Moos points to kkurbjun for MIDI 01.58.30 # what did you THINK the piezo was? 01.58.31 # * piroko grabs the piezo patch and recompiles... 01.58.38 # BHSPitMonkey: Oh, well there's also a patch for MIDI that makes SOME midi files playable. 01.58.38 # i honestly had no clue 01.58.56 # piroko: you need to spend more time at Radio Shack 01.58.59 # It's a viewer though, so it's not integrated into the playback system 01.58.59 # by the way, how do you apply multiple patches without them crapping out over eachother? 01.59.05 # BHSPitMonkey: yep MIDI code wasn't commited cause feature freeze too 01.59.36 # Moos: oh, well, I'll hang on till it's prettier then :P 01.59.41 Join arf-arf [0] (i=arf-arf@bb-87-82-3-185.ukonline.co.uk) 01.59.48 # : ) 01.59.55 # it's not just 1-channel or anything, right? 02.00.08 Join webguest80 [0] (n=40959d7d@labb.contactor.se) 02.00.29 # I don't no much about MIDI sorry, you have to ask kkurbjun 02.00.34 # * RotAtoR just downloaded the HVSC pack in anticipation of SID support 02.00.40 # *know 02.00.53 # kkurbjun: atten-TION! 02.00.56 # hehe RotAtoR 02.00.59 # hehe :P 02.01.03 # ugh 02.01.11 # oh crap. the piezo driver seems to only be for 4g... :( 02.01.17 # time to sample some tracks first in foobar 02.01.18 # i mean 5g 02.01.18 # i might just have to reverse-engineer my karma 02.01.28 # so rockbox can run on it 02.01.31 # just so i can play SID's 02.01.41 # piroko: no piezo for 5g? :( 02.01.51 # piroko: oh! okay... yum patch time! 02.01.58 # amiconn: is that last commit of your's the battery fix everyone is looking for? 02.02.00 # punkrockguy318: you mean no piezo for 4g? 02.02.00 # good lord, there's enough SID to last a lifetime in this pack! 02.02.02 # anyone know what reload_codec is used for in snowgoon's patch of mpc.c? http://www.musepack.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=299 02.02.24 # RotAtoR: haha :D 02.02.35 # wtf... http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml 02.02.47 # amiconn: yes? 02.02.48 # arf-arf: preglow said he will take a look 02.03.11 # amiconn: Different build servers got it for H300, and one of them has a slightly different m68kgcc? 02.03.12 # still red :( 02.03.13 # yeah, i will 02.03.16 # but after 3.0 02.03.23 # not hurry 02.03.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, it seems to be gcc dependent. 3.4.6 is working fine. 02.04.13 # * BHSPitMonkey watches osx sloooooowwwwly boot 02.04.31 # preglow: maybe the author of this patch will improve things too, let's hope 02.04.31 # BHSPitMonkey: need to optimize? ;) 02.04.35 Join jaypee68 [0] (n=jaypee68@c-24-3-200-210.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) 02.04.47 # hello all 02.04.50 # Hmpf, what to do about this??? 02.04.51 # piroko: mebbe... but there's not much I can do 02.04.55 # emulation is emulation 02.05.15 # It's clearly a gcc goof, spitting out instructions that make no sense, in a module I didn't touch... 02.05.32 # BHSPitMonkey: ah. didn't realize you were emulating. try running it :D 02.05.34 # uch : ( 02.05.55 # Moos: perhaps 02.06.00 # linuxstb: pleez update your m68k-elf-gcc ... 02.06.10 # Moos: he seems to use rockbox, so perhaps he'll continue when he sees we'll use it 02.06.14 # piroko: try buying me a mac :p 02.06.19 # I just recently installed rockbox on my 2GB Nano and am some trouble finding a feature. 02.06.19 # lol 02.06.26 # is track seeking possible? 02.06.28 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 02.06.29 # preglow: indeed, I'm optimistic : ) 02.06.36 # jaypee: hold down fast forward/rewind 02.06.53 # preglow: sorta Rockbox made MPC live again : ) 02.07.14 # haha 02.07.22 # Ah no, me silly 02.07.41 # duh, taht was pretty simple. :-) I didn't realize I had to hold them cos whenever I hit ff and rew it just changed tracks 02.07.43 # thanx :-) 02.07.43 # ooopzorz 02.07.55 # amiconn silly 02.08.06 # the new 2nd ooops word? :p 02.08.26 # what's everybody's favorite WPS on the Nano? 02.08.28 # woot, installing iTunes on my virtual mac 02.08.29 # lol 02.08.39 # booooooooo 02.08.40 # BHSPitMonkey: what os are you running? 02.08.47 # piroko: linux 02.08.56 # BHSPitMonkey: pear? 02.08.59 # yup 02.09.01 # cool 02.09.17 # i never could try it. no dvd drive :(. but then again, i have a powerbook :D 02.09.26 # Hmm.. I'm taking a look at the piezo patch... And just wondering how it was done.. In the init function, there are two lines.... + outl(inl(0x70000010) & ~0xc, 0x70000010);+ outl(inl(0x6000600c) | 0x20000, 0x6000600c); How were these adresses and values obtained? 02.09.29 # what do you need a dvd drive for? 02.09.51 # BHSPitMonkey: you just download the install dvd's? 02.09.51 # punkrockguy318: I nicked em from Mikachu who nicked em from preglow :) 02.10.04 # punkrockguy318: I think they came from ipl 02.10.11 # ipl blackmagic... 02.10.15 # lol 02.10.19 # piroko: or make the images yourself, send them across the network? 02.10.29 # obo: oh, lol 02.10.31 # BHSPitMonkey: that would be fun ;) yeah, no need anyway 02.10.35 # true 02.10.56 # obo: how do you ever know what device is at what adress? and what to send to it? 02.10.56 # god, after running ipod linux, and then running rockbox, there's not even a competition 02.10.56 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 02.11.08 # piroko: watch your mouth 02.11.12 Quit Genre9mp3 (Client Quit) 02.11.27 # BHSPitMonkey: huh? 02.11.47 # thou shall not speak ill of iPodLinux :P 02.11.49 # he has major blind faith in iPL :) 02.11.50 # punkrockguy318: well, I just stole it... I think the ipl guys reverse engineered the retailos 02.11.59 # umm 02.12.01 # no they didn't 02.12.02 # lol 02.12.07 # that would be a hoot, though 02.12.23 # BHSPitMonkey: don't get me wrong, i love ipl. they just have different design goals. 02.12.41 # obo: oh.. is reverse engineering pretty much just guessing and checking? 02.12.42 # piroko: indeed, which is why there IS no "competition" :P 02.12.47 # lol 02.12.54 # I'm fond of both projects 02.12.57 # as am i 02.13.02 # punkrockguy318: pass - way beyond what I do 02.13.10 # one brought videos to my nano :) 02.13.14 # but right now rockbox is heading more towards what I'm looking for in a player 02.13.22 # and i don't have a color screen :( 02.13.29 # ah 02.13.32 # my videos looked like poop on a stick 02.13.39 # heh 02.13.40 # but it was still cool for about a month 02.13.56 # I agree that rockbox is a better music player... that's what it's designed for 02.14.06 # but I also like seeing my programs come to life in iPL 02.14.14 # BHSPitMonkey: i couldn't get music to play in ipl 02.14.17 # s/programs/program/ :P 02.14.33 # obo: alright. I'd to learn a little bit more about hardware programming, but I don't know where to start :-\ 02.14.34 # punkrockguy318: ok? 02.14.45 # punkrockguy318: take apart your tv and touch everything inside 02.14.51 # ROFL 02.15.03 # :-P i'll get right on that :) 02.15.27 # I swear, you'll learn more in a fraction of a second than you would from hours of bookreading 02.15.29 # ;) 02.15.40 # BHSPitMonkey: yeah, running a shell 'cat'ing files from ipl was pretty flippin badass 02.15.50 # heh 02.16.07 # not to mention iDoom 02.16.19 # iDoom is pretty slick :) 02.16.19 # oh hell yeah. i was so stoked when the fixed the frame-rate on the 4g 02.16.24 # and iboy 02.16.27 # indeed 02.16.47 # I've been testing for both authors this week, it's cool stuff 02.17.01 # i showed all my friends and they were like "OH MY GOD YOU ARE PLAYING DOOM ON YOUR IPOD!!!" by the way, did they ever get sound working for idoom? 02.17.07 # not yet 02.17.09 # :( 02.17.11 # oh well 02.17.18 # I was just talking with hy about that a night or two ago actually 02.17.24 # he's gonna look into it some more 02.17.32 Join iCstyle [0] (n=no@84-73-146-85.dclient.hispeed.ch) 02.17.36 # cool. i may have to switch over for a bit to play with it :) 02.17.38 # they have sound in rockdoom, but it's pretty gimpy if you ask me 02.17.46 # yeah, and it doesn't run on the 4g's 02.17.48 # I was playing rockdoom today, and someone took a look at it... and they didn't know what doom was! Ah! the younger generation is going downhill, i tell ya 02.17.50 # BHSPitLappy, why do you say that? 02.18.00 # * BHSPitMonkey hides 02.18.02 # BHSPitMonkey: i think it's cute 02.18.17 # kkurbjun, the messed up high-pitched sound on the iPods, i think.. 02.18.20 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 02.18.21 # punkrockboy318: you are the yonger generation :P 02.18.22 # yeah 02.18.23 # :), I'm just curious 02.18.34 # wow. younger even 02.18.44 # any other features that you think it misses? 02.18.46 # kkurbjun: it sounds messed up, like the sample rate is farked or something 02.18.53 # punkrockguy318: you have a 5g? 02.18.56 # like rockboy does 02.18.58 # piroko: yeah 02.19.06 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-4-19.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.19.13 # * piroko eyes punkrockguy318 greedily 02.19.18 Quit jaypee68 ("Leaving") 02.19.18 # idoom doesn't have sound though correct? 02.19.23 Join Zoide777 [0] (n=800c5ab5@labb.contactor.se) 02.19.25 # * BHSPitMonkey has a 5G, too 02.19.28 # ... 02.19.31 # kkurbjun: iDoom doesn't have ANY sound, :P 02.19.39 # and for some reason I still prefer playing iDoom 02.19.39 # hi 02.19.43 # probably due to the controls 02.19.47 # has anyone tried using tagcache with wavpack files? 02.19.50 # idoom doesn't have sound, but runs on 4g's. rockbox has sound, but doesn't run on 4g :( 02.19.51 # mine aren't getting indexed 02.19.55 # BHSPitMonkey: what are the controls on idoom? 02.20.01 # Hmm, I see 02.20.03 # punkrockguy318: good :) 02.20.09 # kkurbjun, didn't linuxstb say that it sounded correct on iPods with a different sample rate? i know it wouldn't be the best way to do it, but what about a simple #if CONFIG_KEYPAD == IPOD_3/4G_PAD to use a working sample rate for iPods until the actual problem gets fixed? 02.20.28 # idoom uses the wheel to turn? 02.20.31 # Zoide777: WavPack uses APEv2 tags by default, right? 02.20.32 # kkurbjun: it can 02.20.44 # it's got a config file 02.20.45 # hi all! i've got a problem with tagcache on my ipod mini 2g... can i tell you? 02.20.58 # i was looking at the code of idoom, thinking about hacking up the controls a bit 02.21.12 # punkrockguy318: umm, that's what the config file is for o.o 02.21.37 # BHSPitMonkey: no, i was going to try to add running and scroll whell support 02.21.38 # midkay, yes, it does work with the sample frequency output of doom at 44k, but I think the plan is to wait till 11k is implemented on the ipods 02.21.49 # kkurbjun, i was considering testing the sample rate linuxstb mentioned (if it was indeed him) .. if i found that it worked correctly, would you mind if i committed it so iPods would use that sample rate? 02.21.54 # dpassen1: i think so 02.21.55 # ah. :( 02.22.03 # punkrockguy318: yes, you can use the wheel, if you set the control in the config file... 02.22.10 # you can make the wheel turn or whatever 02.22.24 # BHSPitMonkey: what about running? 02.22.29 # dunno 02.22.34 # i'll check it out 02.22.40 # do you know where it's located off hand? 02.22.44 # ask in the appropriate channel 02.23.02 # midkay, If you can test it and doom still runs fine I don't see a reason you can't commit that. On the H300 at 44k the sound is stuttery though. 02.23.20 # BHSPitMonkey: ? 02.23.20 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-166.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.23.20 # kkurbjun, hm, i'll see how it works.. 02.23.31 # kkurbjun, know offhand where it might be? 02.23.34 # punkrockguy318: this isn't #idoom, it's #rockbox :P 02.23.48 # BHSPitMonkey: i was speaking of rockdoom 02.23.54 # midkay, in i_sound.c 02.23.59 # punkrockguy318: oh, that's not what you said. 02.24.06 # found it :) 02.24.14 # " i was looking at the code of idoom, thinking about hacking up the controls a bit" 02.24.15 # BHSPitMonkey: excuse me :) 02.24.21 # punkrockguy318, I can add in an always run configuration in the startup of rockdoom if that would help out 02.24.44 # * piroko wishes piezo worked for 4g... 02.24.50 # piroko: come on. 02.24.56 # kkurbjun: that would help a lot.. and it'd be easier for you to do then me 02.25.00 # :D 02.25.05 # kkurbjun: some levels are impossible without run 02.25.10 # amiconn: i love the new hd icon! 02.25.55 # wow 02.26.19 # punkrockguy318, yeah, I know, I'll add that in then. I'm not going to touch the scrollwheel stuff though as I don't have an ipod. I did readd some mouse code though so it shold be easier 02.26.49 # punkrockguy318, i was considering attempting using the wheel to turn and left/right for something else, like strafe.. 02.27.00 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-16-186.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.27.00 # midkay: that's exactly what i was thinking 02.27.17 # punkrockguy318, hm, so .. okay.. :) 02.27.37 # BHSPitMonkey: are you wow-ing me? 02.27.46 # all you need to do is submit a mouse event with data2 being set to the turn amount. the interpretation code is in g_game at line ~747 02.30.29 # kkurbjun: alright i'll try checking it out.. i have trouble interpreting other people's code 02.31.16 # punkrockguy318, the main event submission is in i_video.c under getkey also btw 02.31.45 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.31.45 # hi all, I'm running into trouble getting the cross compiler toolchain build for m68k, on linux... binutils and gcc compiled fine, but I'm running into a problem with gdb: "configure: error: no termcap library found" 02.31.58 # wow, of all the channels I'm in, this one's the most populated 02.32.12 # webguest80: install libtermcap 02.32.16 # ? 02.32.26 # bye 02.32.29 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 02.32.59 # bed time 02.33.13 # has anyone tried using tagcache with wavpack files? mine aren't getting indexed 02.33.30 # Zoide777: WavPack uses APEv2 tags by default, right? 02.33.58 Quit damaki_ (Connection timed out) 02.34.22 # piroko - that's what I thought first off, but I can't find the sucker... Ubuntu's Synaptic claims no knowledge of "libtermcap", or "termcap" 02.34.42 # webguest80: i couldn't find it either :( 02.34.45 # dpassen1: i think so. what should i do? 02.34.50 # hey JdGordon, you asked if i looked at your patch - i thought you didn't want me to? :) 02.35.04 # hey 02.35.12 # i was joking :p 02.35.14 # I think a similar bug (with MusePack files, which also use APEv2 tags) was reported. I'd bet someone is looking into it. 02.35.14 # webguest80: try a 'locate termcap'? 02.35.19 # i wasn't, i closed the page ;) 02.35.25 # well, anyways, i checked it out today/am checking it out. 02.35.27 # hey, where can i download the miika's plugin to see the tagcache commiting status? 02.35.32 # i fixed the scrollbar problem.. 02.35.45 # i'd like to adjust a few more things and then probably commit it.. 02.35.58 # ok 02.36.31 # * piroko didn't know there was anything wrong with the scrollbar 02.36.46 # piroko, talking about his viewer patch.. 02.37.33 # piroko: I have some docs, a perl module, and that's about it... I think your original suggestion was on the right lines - I'm missing a lib, I'd imagine. I just can't work out / find out what package provides it. 02.37.46 # kkurbjun: i'm checking it out now 02.38.13 # punkrockguy318, I just committed the always run configuration option for you 02.38.29 # let me know if you have any questions 02.38.40 # alright thanks 02.39.45 # webguest80: well, i have a /usr/lib/libtermcap.so and /usr/include/termcap.h and /usr/include/ncurses/termcap.h, if that helps 02.39.57 # maybe from ncurses lib? 02.41.07 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.41.15 Quit Mikachu (Remote closed the connection) 02.41.16 # apt-get install termcap-compat 02.41.17 Join Mikaelh [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 02.41.46 # kkurbjun: i'm pretty sure scrollwheel is handled quite a bit differently then buttons... i don't think scrollwheels have button press/release events 02.42.20 # punkrockguy318 and webguest80: look here http://packages.debian.org/stable/oldlibs/termcap-compat 02.42.25 # it explains your problem :) 02.43.09 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@149.9.0.21) 02.43.11 # punkrockguy318, I'm not sure how the scrollwheel is handled in rockbox, you might have to use button_get to read the status 02.43.46 # kkurbjun: i'll take a look at the jewels code 02.44.13 # dpassen1: ok, thanks. bye 02.44.15 Part Zoide777 02.44.37 # compiling makes my tiny room so hot 02.45.14 # lol 02.46.14 # punkrock318: you check out that debian page? 02.46.37 # piroko: not yet i'm working on something 02.46.40 # ok 02.46.46 # webguest80: how about you? 02.46.55 # kkurbjun: looks like i was wrong... scroll/turn works now :) 02.47.36 # piroko - yep, read it, just looking at the gdb makefile now 02.47.50 # punkrockguy318, great : ), that was quick 02.47.58 # webguest80: awesome. good luck! 02.48.01 # that does indeed look like the answer though... 02.48.19 # good 02.49.27 # thanks piroko - appreciated. I installed rockbox the other day on my iHP 120, and thought it was very cool - enough to make me see if I can jump in and do some stuff 02.50.29 # punkrockguy318, if you come up with a patch I'll gladly commit it as long as it compiles clean 02.50.45 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.51.02 # as an option, right 02.51.14 # kkurbjun: alright, i'm still working on it, but i think i'll have a patch ready before tonight is over 02.51.15 # kkurbjun: need a button configuration menu 02.51.38 # BHSPitLappy, there is a button configuration menu already 02.51.55 # I don't know if it's fully functional yet for ipods though 02.52.08 # kkurbjun: strange.. it works in the simulator, but not on the ipod :-\ 02.52.51 # webguest80: no problem at all. I'm just happy I finally helped somebody! :D 02.54.26 # yeah, unfortunately the sim isn't perfect.. 02.54.40 # kkurbjun: where does doom keep it's config file? 02.55.05 # punkrockguy318, in /games/doom/default.dfg 02.55.28 # it's a binary file though 02.55.41 # someone explain 02.55.47 # wtf 'fade-in delay' and 'fade-out delay' are 02.56.08 # does one move the next song back and the other move it forward relative to the end of the current song? 02.56.41 # * bluefoxicy wants fade-in to start early 02.57.20 # kkurbjun, well, 44.1khz makes the sounds the correct pitch, but although they aren't really stuttery, they're kind of.. slightly distorted.. 02.57.30 # and silence killing, the part of the song under -40db at the beginning and end should be chopped off before anything else is done ... otherwise cross-fading tends to be "fade out, silence, fade in" instead of mixing 02.58.14 # bluefoxicy: I'm with you on the silence killing, at least at the end of the track. Would be nice if crossfading could start early when dB gets below a threshold. 02.58.20 # bluefoxicy: or you could encode your files correctly... or if its really important, you could code the feature. 02.58.25 # bluefoxicy, it only has an effect when you are using the crossfader, fade-in is the number of seconds from when you press change track till when the song starts play, fade out is the same deal just with the current song 02.58.42 # kkurbjun: "fade out is the same deal" ? 02.59.07 # so when I press next it waits FADEOUT_DELAY, then FADEIN_DELAY, then starts the next song? 02.59.15 # midkay, does it slow the game down much? 02.59.22 # (i.e. makes the fade-out delay longer) 02.59.28 # I don't think it makes sense to set both delays > 0 02.59.30 # kkurbjun, you mean like fewer FPS? 02.59.34 # kkurbjun: i wonder why it would work in the sim but not on the device :-\ 02.59.41 # lostlogic: some files just have long silences at the end :( 03.00.46 # bluefoxicy: 'just have' are the original tracks that way on their disks? 03.01.09 # lostlogic: yeah, especially songs that end in a sudden drum-hit 03.01.10 # no, the song currently playing waits to start fading out x seconds from when you press change track just like fade in does, so if say fade out is 0 seconds and fade in is 1 second the crossfader will start fading the current song out immediatly, while the next song will start to fade in after a second 03.01.14 # or on a long fade-out instrument 03.01.22 # midkay, yes 03.01.40 # the instruments can sit at under -40dB for a while, and you can get 4-8 seconds of barely audible sound out 03.01.51 # I may be wrong about the fading stuff, but that's how I've understood it 03.02.04 # kkurbjun, should it? :o it's hard to say.. hmm.. would timedemo show any performance difference? 03.02.06 # bluefoxicy: so crossfade should automatically trim that? hmm... would be difficult to code... 03.02.26 # Couldn't crossfade just kick in at the end of the track when dB gets below a threshold? 03.02.37 # carini: not that simple. 03.02.38 # midkay, yes, timedemo would show the performance difference 03.02.46 # how does timedemo work? 03.02.55 # carini: how do you keep it from kicking in at silent points earlier in the track? 03.02.55 # lostlogic: more thinking another pre-processor would trim it, because you can't really hear it below a certain threshold, and if your volume isn't set at max eventually you don't hear anything anymore :) 03.03.18 # bluefoxicy: preprocessor -- on the host pc, not the portable player...? 03.03.19 # lostlogic: Search from the end of the track backwards until dB gets above a threshold. 03.03.23 # lostlogic: just that with a crossfade, it would trim off what you CAN'T hear during the crossfade as an 'unintended consequence' 03.03.29 # carini: again, not that simple, codecs don't decode backwards. 03.03.33 # make sure you have disk spin down set to something high (~100s) and disk poweroff to off. All you have to do is select the doom 1 shareware wad and turn on timedemo and it will run 03.03.56 # punkrockguy318, I'm not sure why that would happen, how were you reading the scroll wheel events? 03.03.58 # lostlogic: You could just process what you have in the pcm buf? 03.04.05 # lostlogic: on the portable player. I meant 'preprocessor' like the extra stereo plug-in that processes decoded MP3 files in WinAmp before sending them to the sound output plug-in (hence pre-processing) 03.04.18 # I think preprocessor is the right term.. I'm not sure 03.04.29 # midkay, once it's done it will output /games/doom/timedemo.txt 03.04.33 # most programs I've seen mimic winamp and call them "DSP plug-ins" 03.04.36 # carini: of course, but that's just enough for the crossfade, not enough to say "Well there is silence starting X before the end of the track, so crossfade starting back X" 03.04.50 # which tells you how many tics the demo took and how many it should take 03.04.53 # bluefoxicy: no, this is post processing, this happens after decoding. 03.04.58 # Right, but you could increase the size of the pcmbuf by 5 seconds or so, right? 03.05.01 # okay, so a post-processor :) 03.05.03 # kkurbjun, it has to be the shareware wad? 03.05.06 # lostlogic: I am not an audio major! 03.05.19 # * bluefoxicy is a computer security guy, he just likes music @_@ 03.05.31 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 03.05.38 # carini: it would be possible to add X seconds silence detection, but it would be a ratehr difficult feature to do. 03.05.48 # midkay, yes, I limited it to the shareware wad as some versions of doom 2 don't have any demos, causing the game to crash 03.05.58 # okay, *downloads* 03.06.05 # well whatever, it's not really important 03.06.06 # also, any reason that would cause addons to not run? 03.06.06 # lostlogic: Isn't it just a matter of starting the crossfade earlier? 03.06.14 # it's not like I obsessively pay attention to the musiic :) 03.06.25 # midkay, what do you mean? 03.06.30 # kkurbjun: button_status.. i think i'll have to use button_get 03.06.31 # quake2.wad and dukenukem.wad both used to work fine under a week ago, but i tried them now and they keep exiting. "there were still 4 files open." and "bye".. 03.07.28 # carini: not to do it correctly, you'd hafta have crossfade secs + silence secs of data on the buffer when the decode of track1 finishes. Then, you would rewind the pcm buffer by up-to silence seconds, detecting silence of course, and then you would apply the normal crossfade to the next crossfade seconds back of audio. 03.07.43 # midkay, I disabled support for all the gp32 wads that were non-standard, they cause memory corruption on the player which leads to freezes and data aborts. 03.08.12 # hm. i did always get a data abort after the first level of dukenukem, but.. ah well.. 03.08.14 # kkurbjun: are there plans to support quake and dn? 03.08.25 # It would be pretty hard to support them properly, even prboom in the software renderer at high resolutions won't run them 03.08.27 # so there, I've designed it for ya, who wants to code it? :-D 03.08.59 # lostlogic: Well, as crazy as it sounds, I was going to play with it once you finished your playback rework 03.09.10 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-11-51.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 03.09.12 # carini: can be done in parallel, I'm not touching pcmbuf. 03.09.25 # shit. 03.09.26 # or if I am, it's only voice and beep that I'll touch. 03.09.28 # I typoed on the virtual keyboard 03.09.31 # where the hell is backspace 03.09.51 # lostlogic: Okay. 03.10.01 # midkay, punkrockguy318, I don't have any plans to support them due to the difficulty and effort, I'd rather get dehacked support running personally. If you want to run the wads you can split them with deutex, fix the graphics that are oversize and then put the wad back together 03.10.08 Part midgey34 03.10.10 # guys "Sonib" won't find "Sonic Heroes" music :O 03.10.11 # scroll the cursor down off the screen, select = backspace.. 03.10.18 # and left/right will be to move the cursor. 03.10.33 # kkurbjun, dehacked support? 03.10.37 # wow 03.10.38 # that's like 03.10.40 # inobvious :) 03.10.47 # yes, but there is sort of a lack of keys. :) 03.10.50 # midkay: Dehacked were basically executable patches that changed behaviour rather than level or art. 03.10.56 # okay, I'm searching ... umm 03.11.01 # how do I make it search, now that I typed it 03.11.02 # as a note: the only reason they run in idoom and some other ports is because they disabled the rangechecking code. 03.11.11 # hold select. 03.11.17 # hmm.. 03.11.28 # midkay: For example, it could be used to create creatures that had another creature as a projectile, rather than an actual damage projectile, thus creating creature spawners (eggs that spat a single facehugger in the Aliens Total Conversion, for example) 03.11.50 # ok i think i found the flash memory where the karma's firmware is stored 03.11.54 # seems to be an intel chip 03.11.57 # Paul_The_Nerd, ah, i see. 03.12.01 # 48-ball uBGA package 03.12.03 # hey, it's ze. 03.12.06 # those wads still cause memory corruption, but I believe it doesn't effect those ports as much due to the way and order they malloced the screens that are used for buffering 03.12.07 # midkay: I used to do a *lot* of Doom mods back in the day. 03.12.26 # is that like, impossible to read without either getting some code running on the device or destroying it to get the chip off? heh 03.13.05 # Paul_The_Nerd, haha. 03.13.13 # so far i'm kindof getting that impression :/ 03.13.48 # kkurbjun, huh. "timed 2134 gametics in 7223 realtics = 1076145760 frames per second".. 03.14.02 # awesome 03.14.31 # yeah, the calculation is wrong, it's 35*gametics/realtics 03.14.34 # =fps 03.14.35 # too bad the touchpad has a hardwired up-down logic circuit 03.14.47 # instead of generic direction sense like a laptop touchpad 03.14.49 Quit piroko (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.14.52 # well, it's not wrong, it's just not written right 03.15.15 # okay, 10.34fps.. 03.15.25 # now to test 11.025khz. 03.15.27 # kkurbjun: now, i'm pretty confused. I've tried getting scrollwheel input from button_get(false) and button_status.. BOTH work in the sim but NEITHER work with the device :( 03.15.34 # midkay, what player are you testing on? 03.15.40 # kkurbjun, this is an iPod 5G. 03.16.14 # punkrockguy318, I'm not sure, are you following code similar to jewles? 03.16.15 # you guys should embed the Tetris A-Type music in the tetris game XD 03.16.23 # and have rockbox boot into it on first boot 03.16.25 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 03.16.28 # kkurbjun: yes 03.17.13 # bluefoxicy: fsck you 03.17.18 # Song B FTW! 03.17.52 # or KID A! 03.17.52 # hm, the high-pitched noises are kind of cute though.. 03.18.00 # maybe we need an option.. "Cute mode" or something. 03.18.39 # punkrockguy318, I'm not sure.. you're definately running the rock you've compilied on the player? 03.18.39 # http://tetrissongb.ytmnd.com/ 03.18.59 # I'm looking at the jewels code and it seems pretty straightforward.. 03.19.21 # kkurbjun: yeah it is 03.20.45 # So on my Ipodmini, the "play" screen seems to only fill half of the screen, so it's all "scrunched" together 03.20.51 # any way to expand that? 03.21.16 # kkurbjun: double checked, it's the some rock 03.21.20 # Can0Beans: Pick a different While Playing Screen. 03.21.22 # 10.59fps @ 11.025khz [[vs]] 10.34fps @ 44.1khz. 03.21.28 # punkrockguy318, that code in jewels works on the player correct? 03.21.38 # yeah 03.21.38 # Can0Beans, the While Playing Screen is completely configurable: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DataSheets?topic=CustomWPS 03.22.14 # midkay, that's not bad then, I'd just add the ifdef.. I'm supprised it didn't affect it more, it's a much greater impact on the Hxxx's 03.22.20 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.22.33 # at least the sound won't be quite as awful then 03.22.46 # kkurbjun, hm, alright. do you know anything about the real problem behind 11.025khz not working? 03.22.53 # midkay: did you fix the doom sounds? 03.23.20 # punkrockguy318, hm, yes and no.. they sound right now (correct pitch), but they are in fact slightly distorted.. scratchy-ish. 03.23.31 # midkay, it's because the code that sets the frequency isn't implemented for anything but 44k yet on the ipods 03.23.32 # i think slightly distorted is better than ridiculously high-pitched, though. 03.23.43 # midkay: yeah... 03.24.05 # midkay: do you have any ideas? i've got a problem.. i've implemented scrolling for turning.. it works in the simulator, but not on the device... 03.24.32 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.24.54 # punkrockguy318, kkurbjun would probably know if anyone, kkurbjun - do you think it might have anything to do with the way Doom handles buttons or something? *shrugs* 03.25.03 # i'll give it a try myself after i commit this and see if i can get it running. 03.26.03 # midkay: but what puzzles me is that it works fine on the simulator! :-\ 03.26.09 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 03.26.26 # midkay, I really don't know, doom handles the buttons pretty much like the other plugins 03.26.41 # kkurbjun, i think a nice option for rockdoom would be to make the harddrive timeout infinite, so you don't encounter pauses during playback.. i'm not sure how often these occur in general, though.. 03.26.58 # the only difference between the sim code and the player code in doom is the player uses the user timer and it has sound 03.27.16 # punkrockguy318, well, i'll give it a try. 03.27.27 # midkay, I have plans to look into that, I just havn't gotten a chance 03.27.29 # punkrockguy318, did you try deleting or renaming your doom config file? maybe it needs a settings reset.. 03.27.49 # kkurbjun, gotcha 03.27.59 # I think they can be eliminated without setting the spindown time extremely high 03.28.11 # kkurbjun, cool.. 03.28.25 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 03.28.46 # ugh, I still cannot figure out what is corrupting my id3 data on the WPS. 03.29.50 # midkay: tried that :-\ 03.30.02 # kkurbjun: it wouldn't have anything to do with rockdoom.wad would it/ 03.30.32 # Hey, where do I get the HVSC database anyway? 03.31.13 # punkrockguy318, no, that just contains some files needed for the modified menus and some of prbooms features 03.31.23 # kkurbjun: i didn't think so 03.33.30 Join piroko [0] (n=piroko@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 03.33.42 # god i can't get irssi configured with auto-connect to save my life... 03.35.42 # committed sound fix.. 03.36.24 # midkay: cool :) 03.36.27 # midkay: i might be on to something 03.36.44 # punkrockguy318, hm, let me know if you get anywhere. 03.37.09 # midkay: are you going to check it out? 03.37.14 Quit piroko ("telinit 0") 03.37.18 # i'm trying it myself, yeah.. 03.37.20 # http://lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/metadata_on_buffer.patch <-- I'm sure that I'm missing something completely retarded here. I use cur_id3 to hold the tag info of the playing track. I give the address of that struct to the wps (or anyone) when asked for the currently playing track. I can't for the life of me figure out how part or all of the tag info that is displayed for the playing track is overwritten with the wrong parts of the ne 03.38.28 # midkay: 5g uses the IPOD_4G_PAD right? 03.38.34 # hmm 03.38.38 # plugged in the ipod cable 03.38.38 # yes.. 03.38.43 # and it failed to save my settings 03.38.46 # midkay: i thought so, just checking 03.38.54 # k :) 03.38.57 # now I set crossfade up again, enabled it, it seems to just skip the first 6 seconds of a song 03.39.02 # bluefoxicy: known bug :( I'm sure someone will fix it eventually. 03.39.38 # lostlogic: should it totally fuck up crossfading, and is there a way to make my settings save? 03.39.49 # reboot.. 03.39.50 # bluefoxicy: sure, shut down will save settings 03.39.54 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp124-94.adsl.forthnet.gr) 03.40.01 # settings aren't save on a usb connect, that's rather a bug.. 03.40.01 # midkay.. 03.40.04 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 03.40.05 # and I don't knwo why it would screw up crossfade 03.40.08 # scorche.. 03.40.17 # why must everything have the dots.. 03.40.25 # lostlogic: is a proper shutdown menu+action? 03.40.26 # ahh... much better. x-chat rules :) 03.40.31 # or is that hard reset? 03.40.33 # no, that won't save either 03.40.37 # bluefoxicy: just hold play 03.40.38 # scorche, haha, you'll never know.. i think.. 03.40.49 # piroko: i'm using gnome-xchat... it's pretty slick 03.40.53 # what if i already know.. 03.41.05 # piroko: Irssi uptime: 67d 3h 43m 22s 03.41.06 # you really, really don't.. 03.41.10 # logic okay now it's not turning on 03.41.17 # bagawk: how do you check that? 03.41.22 # i am using x-chat on fluxbox 03.41.24 # grr... running ipod with no freq scaling, and instead of freezing it rebooted and then got frozen at the rockbox load screen... 03.41.24 # i win 03.41.25 # lostlogic: /uptime 03.41.25 # nvm 03.41.40 # hmph, I don't remember resetting irssi 9 days ago :( 03.41.46 # scorche: if i could be, i'd be running bitchx on RATPOISON biatch 03.41.50 Quit peroni (Remote closed the connection) 03.41.50 # :) 03.41.53 # midkay: do i want to know is the question.. 03.42.02 # you really, really don't.. 03.42.03 # * scorche switches to irssi 03.42.06 # trust me.. 03.42.06 # i win 03.42.26 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.42.27 # are you getting head right now?.. 03.42.53 # and the channel goes silent... 03.43.00 # 03.43.01 # aw crap..i used 3 dots.. 03.43.07 # you blew it.. seriously.. 03.43.18 # this freezing bug is really starting to bug me... 03.43.22 # lol. no pun intended :P 03.43.23 # i dont blow things.. 03.43.34 # scorche, sorry, suck.. 03.44.29 # <3.. 03.44.54 # whatever.. 03.45.00 # indeed.. 03.45.36 # i swear, whenever i stop idling, the id level of the channel goes down at least 30 points 03.45.40 # *iq 03.46.09 # and you have no idea why.. 03.46.21 # we'd be in the negatives if i weren't around.. 03.46.27 # or why you have the dots.. 03.46.36 # that's another story altogether.. 03.46.48 # then why did you change the topic.. 03.46.59 # from what.. to what?.. 03.47.42 # piroko: Do you know where I can find this "HVSC songlength database" thing? 03.47.50 # midkay: kkurbjun i think i'm on to something 03.48.06 # punkrockguy318, button_get_w_tmo works.. 03.48.09 # albeit very slowly.. 03.48.30 # midkay: why doesn't button_get(false)? 03.48.38 # punkrockguy318, you got me.. 03.48.47 # just wanted to give it a try. 03.48.59 # punkrockguy318, great, what are you coming up with? 03.49.09 # kkurbjun, you don't think it has to do with the released/old/new button stuff, do you? 03.49.30 # all that stuff doesn't affect the buttons_status call 03.49.41 # what if we don't use button_status, though? 03.49.43 # Paul_The_Nerd: i just pulled the entire collection from http://www.hvsc.c64.org/ and unzipped it to my ipod 03.49.47 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.165.138.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 03.50.12 # midkay: kkurbjun i wrote a completely seperate segment for scroll wheel, just because it wasn't working with button_status 03.50.51 # midkay, I'm not sure what the effects are of using button_status with button_get, I would think that it should be alright as button_get is a queue of events I believe 03.51.00 # seperate segment? hm. that probably indicates something to do with the released stuff.. 03.51.17 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.51.17 # piroko: Yes, but I can't seem to find any file that would be the songlength database among the collection. 03.51.27 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 03.51.31 # piroko: I'm looking for the actual length database, rather than all the songs. 03.52.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: ah, for getting around the 2 minute playtime thing? i'm honestly not sure... I can look though 03.52.20 # one thing that might help is clearing out the button_get queue first though 03.52.42 # hmm. 03.53.00 # something like this at the start: 03.53.02 # while (rb->button_get(false) != BUTTON_NONE) 03.53.02 # rb->yield(); 03.53.32 # piroko: Well, 3minute in foobar2000 03.53.42 # i think.. i'll leave punkrockguy318 to this one.. ;) 03.53.44 # * amiconn is playing bubbles on his Ondio FM :-) 03.53.51 # or maybe while (scrollevent=rb->button_get(false) != BUTTON_NONE) 03.53.54 # Paul_The_Nerd: gotcha 03.54.01 # amiconnnnnnn.. weee waaaaaant bubbbbbbbles for archossssssss.. :) 03.54.02 # amiconn: crazy man 03.54.08 # and then using scrollevent after it's out of that while loop 03.54.43 # piroko: Actually, thing I found it. 03.54.51 # piroko: songlengths.txt in the documents folder 03.55.25 Quit Arrogant ("Leaving") 03.55.53 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.55.58 # hey, JdGordon? 03.56.00 # oh. haha. 03.56.03 # nice timing.. 03.56.18 # didn't realize you'd left. 03.56.20 # Actually it's quite playable 03.56.23 # ha 03.56.38 # sup? 03.56.39 # JdGordon, have you found the 'save settings as default 03.56.42 # option working? 03.56.53 # it should work... 03.57.02 # i keep saving and it never seems to reload them, i haven't checked the code yet but i was wondering what your results were. 03.57.34 # lemme see if i have the edited version on my player.. 03.58.47 # .. i dont.. lemme have a look-see 03.59.08 # no big deal, i'll check it out. 03.59.14 # just wanted to confirm that it worked for you.. 03.59.38 Quit Can0Beans ("Leaving") 04.01.00 # anyone have a nice ipod nano wps theme? 04.01.15 # using iAmp currently, with snap font.. pretty nice 04.01.22 Quit webguest80 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.02.29 # amiconn, so when does archos-bubbles see the light of CVS? :) 04.04.26 Join voltagex [0] (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 04.04.31 # kkurbjun: got a second? i've made a test program that uses button_get(false) and it works fine.. but the same procedure in doom doesn't seem to work :-\ 04.04.38 # anything interesting happen while I was asleep? 04.05.33 # punkrockguy318, yes, do you have a question? How about a version that works with button_status? 04.05.58 # i'll try that 04.06.31 # I'm not sure how the scrollwheel works, but it could be the user timer or sound, try disabling sound and see if it works 04.06.34 # punkrockguy318, wait, you wrote a plugin that gets scrollwheel input using button_get(false)? 04.06.39 # kkurbjun: what does button_status() return? 04.06.41 # midkay: yeah 04.06.51 # punkrockguy318, why? that kind of code should be all over CVS.. 04.06.59 # (i would think) 04.07.15 # if it still doesn't try modifying i_system.c to not use the timer callback 04.07.23 # midkay: it's just a test program to make sure my routines were right 04.07.29 # midkay: did HCl or lostlogic do anything with the DUMB codec? 04.07.35 # punkrockguy318, hm, alright.. 04.07.43 # voltagex, i wouldn't be the one to ask, sorry, no idea.. 04.07.50 # punkrockguy318, button_status returns the current state of the buttons 04.07.57 # ok, lostlogic's gone isn't he? 04.08.05 # who here is good with makefiles? 04.08.05 # I don't know if it works with the scrollwheel though 04.08.09 # i don't think so.. 04.08.28 # kkurbjun: in what form? 04.09.13 # punkrockguy318, it just returns an int that you can see if certain bits are set 04.09.15 # JdGordon, hm, is there any reason that configs are saved per-file? 04.09.27 # thats the origional behaviour 04.09.41 # seems veryvery annoying and pointless to me.. are there any objections to just having 'global' textviewer settings, anyone? 04.09.42 # never made sense to me.. but i left it in.. 04.09.56 # it &'s all the status buttons together so you have to check certain bits for what you're looking for 04.10.10 # kkurbjun: Paul said that the scroll wheel didn't work with button_status 04.10.12 # or |'s that is 04.11.12 # ahh, the other thing that I can think of is whether you're code is using button_get and button_status.. they may not work together 04.11.24 # midkay: rsn 04.11.29 # or the doom code with your modifications that is 04.11.36 # amiconn, what? 04.11.41 # kkurbjun: i don't think they can work together 04.12.12 # punkrockguy318, so when you put the code in doom are you leaving in the button_status calls? 04.12.13 # amiconn, 'real soon now'? 04.12.40 # kkurbjun: yes, but removing the checks for the scrollwheel 04.13.19 # amiconn: would it be possible for you to take a look at the codecs makefile? 04.14.32 # doom's button driver may need a rewrite to use button_get exclusively, I remember trying that once and it wasn't working very well so I just left the old driver in there from rockboy. It should be able to be done though.. I think it wasn't detecting the button release events always 04.15.42 # but those symptoms could have just been becuase of the H300's hardware, whenever navi is pressed it overrides all the other buttons, so I think the button_get code wasn't creating a released event if navi was pressed down, another key was released and then navi was released 04.16.34 # kkurbjun: hmm 04.17.07 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.18.04 # amiconn: what time is it there! 04.18.12 # amiconn: I think you should sleep! :-) 04.18.26 # 04:18 am 04.18.32 # kkurbjun: I don't know what to do. I don't want to rewrite all of the code to button_get if i'm not even sure if it's going to work 04.18.40 # kkurbjun: what really puzzles me is that it worked in the sim perfectly... 04.18.52 # midkay: finally got it compiled and runing.. ye, defaults work fine.. 04.19.18 # midkay: Check cvs... 04.19.22 # :( 04.19.27 # JdGordon, e.g. you changed to scroll by line and chose save as default, quit, and restarted the file, and it remained in line mode? 04.19.49 # punkrockguy318, why don't you put the code you have on the patch tracker for now so that others can look at it to be able to give some feedback 04.19.54 # Hrmph, partial commit failure... 04.19.55 # ohh... restart the same file?? i didnt do that, i chose another file.. 04.20.06 # amiconn, coool.. *connects recorder to usb* 04.20.13 # JdGordon, hm.. 04.20.18 # what about using the same file? 04.21.28 # seems to work.. 04.22.18 # oh, the save setting per file is so u can resume where u were when u left 04.22.20 # kkurbjun: i don't even know what to upload, i wrote about 5 different versions, and none of them work on the ipod, but they work on the sim :-\ 04.22.23 # punkrockguy318, the real people to ask are linuxstb or preglow as I believe they did the initial/most of the work on the ipods so one of them would know the button driver code 04.22.27 # so it does make sense to store than 04.22.30 # that* 04.22.40 # JdGordon, ah.. hm.. 04.22.44 # saving the position makes sense. 04.22.49 # saving the actual modes.. 04.22.55 # should be global. 04.23.02 # punkrockguy318, just put all 5 up, you know how to make a diff correct? 04.23.19 # kkurbjun: yeah i made a couple and sumbitted them last night 04.24.06 # ok, great, just put all the versions you have in i_video.c and #if 0 all of them but one out so that it can at least compile with the patch 04.24.53 # I'll look at them also to see if I can see anything, but like I said linuxstb or preglow would know better then I would 04.26.38 # thanks 04.27.34 # no problem, thanks for the effort, hopefully it will lead to a working solution soon 04.31.41 # anyone here coding for rockbox on os x? 04.33.26 Join midkay_ [0] (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 04.34.10 # i'm just wondering if anyone uses x-code 04.34.18 # piroko: I'm -still- installing osx :P 04.34.37 # LOL 04.34.42 # any reason? 04.34.59 Join gtkspert [0] (n=gtkspert@203-59-50-86.dyn.iinet.net.au) 04.35.13 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.35.39 # man i hate them tiny little surface-mount micro switches 04.36.10 # with the little bit of plastic sticking out for some custom switch deal to hook over for the user to operate it by 04.36.32 # and the shit's all like half a millimeter wide where it connects and love to just break off and render the switch unusable 04.36.43 # ze, haha, YES. 04.36.53 # that happened on my rio riot long ago.. 04.36.57 # heh 04.37.04 # it just happened on my karma for the hold switch 04.37.07 # haha. 04.37.12 # and i NEED my hold switch, damnit 04.37.15 # power/hold switch combo on my riot, yeah.. 04.37.33 # hah well at least the power is just a button 04.37.47 # very lucky :) 04.37.59 # this just reinforces my contempt for hard-wired hold switches though 04.37.59 # i didn't use it much, luckily, but i did have a small workaround.. 04.38.07 # i forced it ON and just set the auto shutoff to 1 minute :) 04.38.27 # vs suitable button combo's handled in software 04.38.28 # heh 04.38.35 # haha. 04.39.06 # now i guess i HAVE to to figure out how to load custom firmware on this thing 04.39.18 # so i can get rockbox running on it and setup a software hold mode 04.39.18 # :p 04.39.36 # haha. get to it! :) 04.39.44 # amiconn, haha, wow @ bubbles.. 04.40.26 # there's still the problem of public-key encrypted firmware upgrades that load onto a memory chip without exposed pins... 04.41.03 Quit iCstyle () 04.41.05 # kkurbjun: thanks for all your time! i submitted the patch with the cleanest first attempt (the other ones kinda got lost). 04.41.07 # and that while rio's dead, sigmatel ows their IP 04.41.10 # owns 04.41.27 # ze, haha, indeed that sucks.. 04.41.34 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 04.41.48 # punkrockguy318: what are you using for your programming environment? 04.41.56 # punkrockguy318: vim? :D 04.42.08 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 04.42.09 # if only somebody would just leak the public key :/ 04.42.16 # ze: there's no way to get at it via USB? 04.42.22 # voltagex: the hard drive yes 04.42.27 # piroko: gedit and vim, why? 04.42.43 # ze: how are official firmware upgrades done? 04.42.53 # punkrockguy318, no problem. I'll take a look at it a bit later. having my own code problems right now : ) 04.42.53 # ze, haha, yeah.. good luck, me and a few others talked to a couple of Rio engineers on some forums and they wouldn't help! 04.42.54 # punkrockguy318: awesome. just wondering, honestly. have you tried leafpad over gedit? it's a bit faster, not that it matters much 04.43.10 # does anyone here use IDE's? 04.43.12 # voltagex: but the upgrade routines are in ROM, they'll read firmware upgrades (off the HD or via usb i guess) and decrypt them into flash rom 04.43.28 # piroko: i'll check it out 04.43.30 # * bagawk lives in vim 04.43.39 # oh well dinner bbl 04.43.45 # l8rz ze 04.43.53 # I think a similar bug (with MusePack files, which also use APEv2 tags) was reported. I'd bet someone is looking into it. 04.43.57 # opps 04.44.01 # piroko: the gedit in the new gnome is pretty slick... project sidebar, a bit faster, and python plugin support 04.44.03 # didnt mean to type that 04.44.14 # punkrockguy318: damn... forget leafpad! 04.44.32 # I know I've been asking so much, but can someone help me out with the codecs makefile? 04.44.49 # piroko: they both seem to have about the same startup time over here 04.45.04 # i'm trying to figure out xcode for os x, but i'm having difficulties. i think i may just stick with vim. I wrote an essay with vim on a 486 once :D 04.45.21 # punkrockguy318, I don't think your patch is complete on the tracker 04.45.28 # my vimrc: http://leepil.dyndns.org/~lee/vimrc 04.45.40 # I must say, my favorite thing ever is the last line 04.45.44 # jj=esc 04.45.50 # kkurbjun: ah crap 04.46.19 # piroko: vim is pretty nice, but i'm too lazy to learn all the commands, and it gets me frustrated 04.46.30 # piroko: i always forget what find is.. and goto line... so i just boot up gedit 04.46.38 # punkrockguy318: didn't you say you use vim though? 04.46.52 # yeah, vim and gedit 04.46.55 # i'm trying to find a programmer friendly app for os x... 04.47.04 # bagawk: i have stolen your vimrc ;) 04.47.21 # it's whatever i accidently type... whenever i want to edit something sometimes i end up in vim, sometimes i end up in gedit :) you know how that is 04.47.36 # yep yep 04.48.11 # bagawk: what if i actually need to type 'jj'? 04.48.16 # kkurbjun: funny enough, that patch on the tracker (that's missing half my code) works on the sim as well... 04.48.19 # ... nevermind 04.48.36 # piroko: your running OSX? lucky you :) 04.49.10 # piroko: hehe, I do not think I really ever have to type that, i guess j esc ij 04.49.18 # punkrockguy318: i guess. it has its ups and downs ;) 04.49.24 # bagawk: or wait about a second 04.49.44 # punkrockguy318: i'm happy i got fluxbox and ethereal running on it though 04.49.49 # kkurbjun: that was my first attempt, and it worked in the sim. it replaces the left/right button with the scrolls, and the existing code stays the same 04.50.09 # piroko: i could never see me going to *box on osx 04.51.05 # punkrockguy318: i only use it for running linux programs. i don't like having aquafied linux windows. it's just not right. and I know, running fluxbox seems counter-intuitive. that's why I do it ;) 04.51.30 # :) 04.51.35 # open terminal, startx. hello fluxbox 04.51.42 # punkrockguy318, ahh, ok, It seemed too simple : ) 04.51.54 # piroko: i used to be really jealous of mac users... but now ubuntu is improving... so i'm less jealous.. but jealous none-the-less 04.52.06 # i just wish there was a way I could run my aqua programs in fluxbox... 04.52.22 # kkurbjun: that's what i thought the first time i got it working in the sim! but alas, nothing in life is that easy :) 04.52.45 # punkrockguy318: i bought it for the hardware, mostly. but yes, os x is quite nice. i actually installed ubuntu on my powerbook but ended up having to go back after a lack of hardware support 04.53.02 # piroko: what version? 04.53.23 # it was the dev version at the time. dapper-drake i think 04.53.45 # piroko: that's the current dev tree... laptop support has drastically improved, so i've heard 04.54.07 # piroko: i only own one laptop.. it's a pentium I.. i use it as a thin client to my desktop and it's not too bad 04.54.23 Join angelashes [0] (n=angelash@64-136-201-141-dhcp-kc.everestkc.net) 04.54.35 # piroko: even vanilla debian takes about 2 minutes to load :( 04.54.43 # powerbook support is tricky. everything worked fine except for built in wireless and the trackpad was way too sensitive and i couldn't change it 04.54.48 # does anyone own the itrip for the ipod? 04.55.06 # punkrockguy318: try booting damn small linux on a 486, then complain :P 04.55.08 Part Paul_The_Nerd 04.55.20 # piroko: one huge reason I'm jealous of OSX as a *nix platform... native starcraft :) 04.55.26 Join Inc [0] (i=xsst4@arcane/developer/inc) 04.55.36 # wait so I can run the origional itunes software 04.55.40 # and rockbox? 04.55.45 # err ipod software 04.55.46 # punkrockguy318: what is this native starcraft you speak of!? 04.55.51 # Inc: yep 04.55.56 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 04.55.58 # Inc: just reboot and hold menu 04.56.00 # piroko: blizzard released a native osx version of starcraft 04.56.06 # :O 04.56.06 # piroko~, it won't effect my default firmware? 04.56.16 # Inc: it shouldn't 04.56.30 # punkrockguy318: for download or what? 04.56.32 # piroko: it just makes me angry that they couldn't release a linux version... How much more work would it have to be to port from one nix platform to another 04.56.41 # piroko~, so how do I get it to defaulty boot my ipod standered firmware? 04.56.43 # piroko: well, you need to own the cd.. 04.57.14 # Inc: that's a bit tricky. you'd need to modify the bootloader. I'm not the right person to ask for that, sorry :( 04.57.15 # piroko: it's pretty pricy, a whopping $5 :) 04.57.27 # piroko~, I see 04.57.40 # punkrockguy318: holy crap! and I'm sure you don't NEED a cd, if you catch my drift ;) 04.57.43 # so does anyone know how I can only at times boot rockbox? 04.57.51 # and mainly have it boot the defautl firmware 04.58.09 # Inc: I have a patch for that 04.58.11 # Inc: well, if you boot the apple firmware, it will stay running until you reboot your ipod manually 04.58.21 # http://efnet-math.org/~djao/apple-default.diff 04.58.25 # Inc: I even tested it, it works 04.58.26 # piroko: true.. supernova.org.. But i have NO idea what that is or what that's about! ;-) 04.58.29 # Galois~, thanks. 04.58.48 # punkrockguy318: i use a mini version of that, but yeah no idea... 04.59.06 Quit angelashes () 04.59.23 # this whole rockbox thing is destroying my grades... 04.59.28 # ah well 05.00.07 # so what is my alternative 05.00.11 # if I mess up my 05.00.20 # 60gb ipod "somehow" 05.00.23 # piroko: yeah, i've had a long weekend and i haven't touched my homework 05.00.36 # a working ipod cannot be messed up by installing rockbox 05.00.53 # you can screw up and lose your data, so back it up, but the hardware has built-in reset switches 05.01.17 # Inc: boot into disk mode by restarting and holding down select and play, connect your ipod to your computer and run the ipod updater to re-install your original firmware 05.01.34 # Inc: if for whatever reason something bad happens 05.01.44 # piroko~, so I couldn't actually forever mess it up? 05.01.46 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB17912.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.01 # you can forever mess it up, but it takes hardware failure to do so 05.02.07 # Galois~, so basically how do I get both firmwares to have access to the music. 05.02.10 # and hardware failure could happen even without installing rockbox 05.02.19 # Galois~, and this could not cause that could it? 05.02.28 # there's no easy way to have the same block of music data be playable in both firmwares 05.02.34 # there's a hard way, but I never bothered with it 05.02.35 # I don't want to void my warrenty 05.02.41 # Galois: well... 05.02.53 # I'm also not sure about warranty status 05.02.57 # well I wanted my music only playable mainly in the normal ipod stuff. 05.03.03 # rumour has it that apple canada has stated rockbox leaves your warranty intact 05.03.04 # but yeh where can I see a list of games? 05.03.06 # Inc: you could use iTunes.. and then you could use the TagDbB 05.03.19 # Inc: but you won't be able to play your files that you bought from itunes 05.03.22 # punkrockguy318: that gets you two different databases 05.03.30 # punkrockguy318~, no worries. 05.03.48 # apple, for some strange reason, is not forthcoming on the warranty status of rockbox 05.04.03 # since I bought my ipod specifically to run rockbox and I've never used the original firmware, I really don't care 05.04.08 # Galois: yes, but the TagDB just scans for all files on the disk. So the files that iTunes spreads randomly throughout the disk are picked up by TagDB and catagorized into artist/song etc 05.04.21 # punkrockguy318: oh, that's neat, I didn't know that 05.04.36 # * Galois as you can tell does not use TagDB. Down with databases!! 05.05.02 # Galois: but i don't use iTunesDB except for videos.. i need retail for video, but that's it 05.05.06 # so how would I boot into rockbox 05.05.15 # after I've set ipod firmware as defualt? 05.05.15 # you mean with or without the patch? 05.05.16 # Galois: i prefer just having an organized directory structure 05.05.21 # with. 05.05.24 # Inc: do you even know how to compile rockbox? 05.05.29 # that patch is source code, you need to compile it first 05.05.38 # I currently have ordered the ipod 05.05.46 # and am just explorering all opertunities 05.06.56 # punkrockguy318: i use an organized structure too. itunes helps with that for most of it though 05.07.08 # why do ALL these manufactors refuse to open any documentation for their hardware? 05.07.12 # punkrockguy318: I used to use juk on linux 05.07.20 # piroko: i rip with grip, and play with rhythmbox 05.07.26 # punkrockguy318: think about that for a second 05.07.30 # punkrockguy318: neuros has semi-open hardware 05.07.39 # sorry if you don't mind me asking 05.07.47 # has anyone had a hardware failure? 05.07.50 # punkrockguy318: they open their hardware, other companies can now build the same thing 05.08.00 # I believe one person on this channel has had hardware failure, and it wasn't while installing rockbox 05.08.03 # or use their ideas 05.08.04 # (it was while installing ipodlinux) 05.08.09 # lol 05.08.17 # piroko: hmm 05.08.31 # I see. 05.08.38 # punkrockguy318: not everyone believes in the open source movement, unfortunately... 05.08.44 # if you value open hardware buy neuros. If you value cute small sexy mp3 players, buy apple. 05.08.56 # Galois: hey now... 05.09.10 # so onto my next question. where do I find the games or applications or whatever 05.09.17 # actually, I was trying to make another point, but it somehow came out badly 05.09.17 # Inc: they come with rockbox 05.09.24 # there's no list? 05.09.27 # Galois: i was just kidding 05.09.29 # or anything. 05.09.31 # Inc: there is 05.09.37 # where/ 05.09.50 # if you don't mind me asking 05.09.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginIndex 05.09.53 # rockbox is our way of making other mp3 players open whether the manufacturer likes it or not 05.10.00 # yah 05.10.17 # thanks 05.10.27 # Inc: games and apps are listed there. and no problem. pretty much everyone here loves to help[ 05.10.57 # however, there are many that are .c rather than .rock 05.11.17 # even neuros is not completely open hardware, they use a texas instruments DSP that has closed specs. Their excuse is that the DSP is "optional" for playing audio. 05.12.09 # piroko~, so ok. I read something about doom 05.12.14 # and some gameboy roms 05.12.30 # where would I find information on this or is that not on the actuall rockbox site 05.12.33 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@wireless-224-88.uchicago.edu) 05.12.34 # It's funny how little I play doom on my pc.. but how psyched I am about playing it on the ipod 05.12.47 # Inc: both of these features are supported out of the box 05.12.59 # Inc: and they are also documented on the website 05.13.25 # so it's not like black and white on my ipod video or would it be that way? 05.13.26 # punkrockguy318: maybe because it's more challenging on the ipod. small screen, no running, no strafing, and you can't move backwards. 05.13.45 # i think i'm going to try to tackle porting the mandelbrot generator to the 4g... 05.13.54 # Inc: it will be in color 05.14.00 # ok. 05.14.06 # piroko: i feel like such a failure 05.14.13 # punkrockguy318: ? 05.14.25 # piroko: i couldn't add in the scroll wheel for doom :( 05.15.07 # punkrockguy318: don't feel bad. the pinnacle of my programming was a one-time-pad encryption program for the ti-83 :P 05.15.24 # punkrockguy318: but it was/is a badass encryption program... 05.15.27 # piroko: i love programming calculators 05.15.33 # punkrockguy318: same here 05.15.35 # is there a feature list? 05.15.40 # piroko: i just bought a ti-89.. it's sweet 05.15.43 # or a feature list for the vvs builds 05.15.43 # punkrockguy318: we should share some code :D 05.15.50 # * piroko envies punkrockguy318 05.15.55 # piroko: yes.. i just need a usb cable 05.15.56 # so I might decide if I want to use 05.16.06 # *Cvs 05.16.14 # cvs or the default 05.16.24 # piroko: i wrote a painting program for the 82.. before i knew that there was already a paint program on there 05.16.31 # i was really bored in health class freshman year 05.16.34 # Inc: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox to start 05.16.46 # Inc: and http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ for ipod specific questions 05.16.46 # piroko~, http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy do they have a version for ipod videos? 05.16.54 # Inc: yep 05.17.27 # does it play video yet? 05.17.31 # nope 05.17.45 # Inc this has an old list that hasn't been updated for ipods or in a while, but gives you an idea: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FeatureComparison 05.17.59 # I see. 05.18.19 # nevermind, it has the ipod on there 05.18.26 Quit Rob2222_ (Success) 05.19.22 # that feature comparison says the apple fw can do bookmarking for multiple files, but afaik, it can only do it for audiobooks... 05.20.04 # I see. thanks. 05.20.08 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 05.20.16 # hello paul 05.20.28 # piroko, no, as many bookmarks as you want on any audio file.. 05.20.34 # or.. at least a large number of them. :) 05.20.53 # midkay_: how do you do that? 05.20.53 # piroko, oh, my bad, the apple firmware you meant. 05.20.57 # yeah 05.20.59 # np 05.21.04 # sry. *slips back into shadows* :) 05.21.08 # lol 05.21.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: at the risk of getting ignored, are you any good with makefiles? 05.22.23 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.22.28 # voltagex: Y'know, I *almost* bout the O'Reilly book on them too. But no, I know NOTHING of them. :) 05.23.16 # Paul_The_Nerd: HCl was trying to work out where libdumb is disabled in it, because he says it will quite possibly work, slowly 05.23.46 # well the other way around it is to compile the thing manually 05.24.02 # voltagex: Well, I can look at it, but odds are I'm less likely to find anything than him 05.24.16 # who's an actuall developer for rockbox? 05.25.05 # midkay, who just slipped into the shadows 05.25.08 # Paul_The_Nerd: if you get a chance to, it would be much appreciated 05.26.13 # Inc: There's quite a few who frequent this room. Why? 05.26.37 # Paul_The_Nerd~, oh just curious I want to be certain it won't screw up my brand new 5g 60gb ipod 05.26.41 # what? haha. 05.26.51 # Inc, no, it simply cannot.. 05.27.04 Join nave7693 [0] (i=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 05.27.06 # voltagex: CODECLIBS = -lmad -la52 -lffmpegFLAC -lTremor -lwavpack -lmusepack -lalac -lfaad -lm4a <--- Should this line just have a -ldumb added onto it, to make it build? 05.27.12 # hoo ha!.....he aid a line without 2 dots 05.27.16 # *said 05.27.24 # haha. 05.27.28 # midkay_~, ok good. I just do not want to void my warrenty or anything 05.27.29 # again! 05.27.32 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.27.36 # Inc: Yeah, Apple did a pretty damn good job of foolproofing their hardware. 05.27.36 # Inc, warranty is another thing.. 05.27.41 # it's also possible to remove it (should I decide correct? 05.27.58 # midkay_~, whats the warranty issue. 05.28.00 # Inc, I told you all this before. It is impossible to screw up your ipod unless the hardware fails. The warranty status is uncertain. 05.28.02 # Inc: Supposedly Apple Canada has stated our software doesn't void the warranty, but we can't make any real promises that it won't. It IS just files on the disk though. 05.28.04 # yes, you can uninstall it, but be sure to keep a backup of the bootpartition.bin file you create during installation. 05.28.09 # gah, memcpy on id3 structs isn't safe. 05.28.14 # that's bloody fantastic. 05.28.30 # Inc, it's not official apple software, so apple doesn't 'support' it. fix: just uninstall rockbox if you ever send it in and they won't have any idea.. 05.28.34 # Paul_The_Nerd~, I see. 05.28.41 # yeh. 05.28.45 # voltagex: Maybe the dumb folder needs to be renamed libdumb though. Dunno 05.28.50 # also not to mention 05.28.56 # I do have a foolproof warranty 05.28.59 # that covers anything 05.29.00 # you can always uninstall rockbox before sending it in for warranty service, PROVIDED that the hardware is still working well enough to allow you to uninstall rockbox 05.29.03 # kind of a catch-22 05.29.03 # example if I drop it in water 05.29.07 # it's still covered. 05.29.35 # well ok 05.30.00 # i wonder what an apple tech would say if they recieved a rockbox'd ipod 05.30.12 # heh 05.30.26 # it might be worth it to check 05.30.26 # we believe that apple would service an ipod even if they found rockbox on it, but nobody's tested this thoroughly yet 05.30.33 # omfg this ipod is on steroids 05.30.35 # it doesn't break warranty, or so i'm told 05.30.37 # also, apple's so big that you might get inconsistent answers 05.30.40 # that's what they would say 05.30.43 # if i'm making a minor change to the FeatureComparison page, I should probably check "minor changes, don't notify", right? 05.30.49 # considering Galois it would be fool proof if it defaultly built to automatically boot the ipod firmware 05.30.55 # they woul have no trace of rockbox 05.31.04 # they can disk dump and get traces 05.31.09 # unless they hit the correct keys to boot rockbox (if I understand it correctly) 05.31.13 # Inc: yep 05.31.16 # voltagex: it looks like a little more would need to be done. I think it's not "disabled" so much as "not enabled" 05.31.35 # even with the "apple default" patch, the rockbox bootloader still shows up on the screen 05.31.46 Part nave7693 05.31.50 # so ok what exactly do I need to look for for gameboy games that I might want to play with rockbox 05.31.54 # any certain thing? 05.31.56 # or tips? 05.32.05 # Galois~, I see. 05.32.10 # Galois: I think that if you've reformatted the disk that'll probably be enough. I somehow doubt Apple goes through a data recovery process on returned iPods... 05.32.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: so is that better or worse? 05.32.50 # Inc: what model are you going to get? 05.32.55 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 05.33.05 # punkrockguy318~, 5g 60gb I ordered it. 05.33.32 # Any devs awake? 05.33.37 # Inc: gameboy on the 5g ins't wonderful yet... the controls need to be worked out.. but they will get eventually worked out 05.33.46 # voltagex: Well, I'm not really sure. I don't know what's necessary to add a codec to the make process, but I think it needs to be wholly added. 05.33.54 # :( 05.34.08 # punkrockguy318~, but it works right? 05.34.19 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not allowed to stay up til 3am anymore so I won't be able to talk to HCl 05.34.30 # punkrockguy318~, are the cvs builds any better? 05.34.40 # voltagex: not allowed? 05.34.45 # who else is likely to turn up who knows about the codec builds? 05.34.50 # Inc: well, that's what i'm speaking of, cvs 05.34.59 # I see. 05.35.01 # piroko: dad walked in at 3am and glared at me then stormed off 05.35.06 # Inc: "works" is a somewhat generous assessment 05.35.07 # the cvs builds are the ones with that functionality 05.35.08 # Inc: ipod support is only working through cvs builds 05.35.19 # Galois~, it's able to play the games 05.35.23 # just the controls aren't great 05.35.25 # I seem to remember that you can only use the A button 05.35.30 # (From what I understand) 05.35.38 # Inc: yeah.. a button and up/down/left/right 05.35.47 # voltagex: HA! I have the same problem... I just use my laptop in bed now and close it really quickly when I hear them coming. Muahaha.... 05.35.59 # and, you know, lots of gameboy games just don't cut it with only the A button 05.36.00 # Inc: someone needs to work on using the scroll whell.. i might try to patch it up later 05.36.01 # piroko: I've done that too 05.36.07 # :) 05.36.13 # piroko: I swear they think I'm looking up pr0n 05.36.26 # piroko: laptop for school != pr0n laptop 05.36.30 Nick midkay_ is now known as midkay (n=midkay@24.143.70.99) 05.36.52 # hi midkay! 05.36.54 # hahah 05.36.57 # voltagex: i use anonym.os :D 05.36.59 # Galois: i'm thinking... left/right with scrollwheel, up down as buttons, and a and b with left and right? start could be SELECT and select could be SELECT + UP or something 05.37.03 # and hold could bring up the menu 05.37.09 # hey voltagex 05.37.27 # why can't we use the button config from ipl? 05.37.30 # midkay: I need to ask a favour 05.37.34 # touch sensitive 05.37.45 # piroko: hmm? 05.37.47 # voltagex, go ahead, no guarantees ;) 05.38.16 # midkay: apps/codecs/Makefile <-- what's stopping "dumb" from being built? 05.38.21 # so basically if I understand this correcltly. If I try to install rockbox. 05.38.33 # voltagex, i'm not good with makefiles, but i could have a quick look.. 05.38.33 # punkrockguy318 that's not a bad plan, but it makes it kind of hard to press buttons while using the scrollwheel, which many games kind of need 05.38.34 # and make it boot the apple software defaultly 05.38.41 # it will still show the rockbox screen? 05.38.45 # it's probably still better than the current situation 05.38.59 # midkay: any help would be appeciated 05.39.14 # punkrockguy318: the whole control system used no button pressing at all. you would just touch up, down, left, right, and diagnal up left and right were a and b and diagnanal down left and right were select and start 05.39.33 # piroko: wow... that's cool 05.39.51 # punkrockguy318: yeah, it was 05.39.51 # piroko: i don't think rockbox supports that in the rb api 05.39.59 # voltagex, on the line that says "dumb:" a bit over halfway down.. 05.40.06 # piroko: that's actually quite intuitive controls 05.40.10 # the hardware does indeed support wheel location data though, so it's just a matter of changing the API 05.40.11 # :P 05.40.11 # punkrockguy318: that's what I was afraid of... 05.40.17 # what's called is different from everything else, try modifying it so it looks very similar.. 05.40.30 # e.g. copy something else and just change the codec's name to 'dumb'. 05.40.40 # midkay: ok 05.40.54 # Galois: that would be cool :) 05.41.09 # well it's bedtime.. too much coding for one night! night everyone! 05.41.10 # wow! an idea that people like! yay! 05.41.14 # night punkrockguy318! 05.42.04 # night punkrockguy318 :) 05.42.16 # ?? 05.42.34 # !! 05.42.40 # / 05.42.56 # it's a sideways race-car! 05.43.10 # wow... i'm a bit tired... 05.43.31 # be right back 05.43.31 Quit piroko ("telinit 0") 05.43.40 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 05.44.12 # did it say 'telinit 0' when I quit? 05.44.28 # yes 05.44.34 # 22:42 22:38 and make it boot the apple software defaultly 05.44.35 # 22:42 22:38 it will still show the rockbox screen? 05.44.39 Part Paul_The_Nerd 05.44.40 # ? 05.44.45 # Galois: yay thank you 05.45.00 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-5-88.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 05.45.25 # Inc, It will boot rockbox default unless you use a patch that someone made 05.45.32 # just curious (doesnt relate to rockbox), but is there a way to map a USB port to a com port? 05.45.53 # Inc: when you get your ipod, talk to me and I can make you a patched rockbox if you want 05.46.06 # unless that's frowned upon here 05.46.15 # I see. 05.46.15 # scorche, there is hardware cables you can buy for that 05.46.23 # piroko~, cool. 05.46.29 # thanks it should come wensday ish. 05.46.52 # sorry to ask so many questions (I like to know everything about something before I try it) 05.47.07 # if you guy's need someone to distribute builds I have 800gb of unused bandwidth 05.47.08 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.47.11 # questions are good =) 05.47.18 # piroko, sending firmwares to other people is somewhat frowned upon because you can send trojans to 0wn their ipod 05.47.47 # kkurbjun: ya, but i would rather not 05.47.52 # i mean, i need to use it once 05.47.59 # actually, I'm kidding. Patches are frowned upon because they make the recipient dependent on others to get more patches. Better to teach them how to compile their own rockbox. 05.48.27 # :) 05.48.33 # * Inc knows 05.48.35 # ...if you give a man a fish...give a man a fishing pole...eat for life 05.48.37 # how to compile 05.49.53 # Galois: that's what i was thinking 05.50.01 # Inc: do you know how to patch? 05.50.20 # nope. 05.50.28 # Inc: what os are you running? 05.50.29 # never messed with anything like rockbox 05.50.42 # fbsd , arcanelinux and windows 05.50.44 # scorche: light a man a fire, warm for a night, light a man on fire, warm for the rest of his life >:) 05.50.59 # voltagex: nice analogy... 05.51.13 # piroko~, I do some developing on a linux distro 05.51.14 # >:) 05.51.14 # more like cold for the rest of his life... 05.51.54 # what is libfaad? 05.52.15 # voltagex, how did that work? 05.52.23 # midkay: grabbing latest cvs 05.52.37 # Inc: This may help a little: http://drupal.org/diffandpatch 05.52.39 # ah, gotcha. 05.53.08 # thanks 05.55.17 Join macdonalder [0] (n=macdonal@CPE00045af2dd15-CM0011ae92481c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 05.56.12 Join biffhero [0] (n=rob@216.218.222.116) 05.57.55 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.58.25 Quit punkrockguy318 ("Ex-Chat") 05.59.02 Quit powr-toc (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.59.41 # I am trying to build from CVS, and I am not getting a file "rockbox.ipod". D'oh! 05.59.58 # biffhero: what exactly are you doing? 06.00.11 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.00.23 # dying in genlang. not sure if it is my CVS (just did 'cvs update' tonight, most recent before that was probably April 1. 06.00.49 # prioko: I am trying to cvs update; cd build ; make ; make zip 06.01.08 # biffhero: you have to run configure after cd build 06.01.15 # every time? 06.01.33 # I thought that only had to be done the first time, to set up your makefiles 06.01.40 # biffhero: try a cd build;rm -rf *;configure;make 06.01.46 # biffhero: sometimes they change 06.01.47 # k 06.02.29 # genlang is dying 06.02.35 # what does it say? 06.02.42 # Undefined subroutine &main::No Info called at /home/rob/home_data/ipod/rockbox/cvs/rockbox/tools/genlang line 418, line 1241. 06.03.48 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.04.18 # is there a way to make the default booting into the original ipod system and hold "menu" to boot rockbox? Meaning, making the behavior reversed? 06.04.35 # criminy: there is a patch for that 06.04.51 # hrm 06.04.54 # criminy, hold the ipod upside down when you reboot 06.05.02 # biffhero: try compiling this to test if something went wrong with cvs: http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 06.05.09 Join Angel_of_Death [0] (n=BAUER@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 06.05.28 # good call. will do. 06.05.50 # no time to compile, I'll just hold menu until tomorrow 06.05.53 # criminy, the patch is http://efnet-math.org/~djao/apple-default.diff 06.06.52 # Galois: how did you know it's there? in other words, where did you find that information out? 06.07.04 # trying to learn how to fish here... ;) 06.07.38 # Galois: did t0mas talk to youa bout your server? I notice it's not in the list yet :( 06.07.42 # * biffhero hands piroko a lighter 06.08.16 Quit Farpenoodle ("Large sacks of cheese") 06.08.30 # * piroko pokes biffhero in the eye 06.08.32 # lostlogic: nope 06.08.48 # piroko, it looks like it is getting further, so I will purge my cvs and then re- cvs update 06.08.50 # piroko: I wrote that patch, and that URL points to my server 06.09.06 # Galois: heh. that makes sense... 06.09.12 # biffhero: glad to hear it! 06.09.31 # biffhero: it helps to do cvs update -dP 06.09.38 # that way you get the new directories too 06.09.54 # what do I have to add to the top of a diff to make patch automatically find the files to patch? 06.10.00 # that might be it, will try that one first 06.10.18 # voltagex: can't you just run diff? 06.10.49 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 06.10.59 # piroko: I did, and it didn't put the filename at the top 06.11.41 # voltagex: maybe diff -u? 06.11.48 # i'm just throwing out guesses here... 06.13.06 # voltagex: did it work? 06.13.09 # piroko: I'll try that when rockbox is built 06.13.14 # ok 06.13.27 # damn I need a faster machine 06.13.37 # voltagex: what's your processor? 06.13.44 # 2500+ 06.14.03 # voltagex: ... i think that's better than my ppc 1.67ghz... 06.14.22 # piroko: lol, 1GB of ram here, and it's still shit slow 06.14.29 # voltagex: 1GB here too 06.14.36 # how long to compile? 06.14.44 # 2G on my thinkpad T41p 06.14.58 # $1000AUD to upgrade to an X2 4800+... *drool* 06.15.05 # piroko: 10min at least 06.15.20 # voltagex: ok I feel sorry for you. it takes about a minute here :) 06.15.22 # heh...i went "cheap" and got myself an opteron 175 06.15.47 # scorche: better than an X2? 06.16.00 # it is a step up from the x2 4200+ 06.16.05 # oh, that cost includes new mobo too 06.16.17 # piroko: scratch that, 1min here too 06.16.36 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.16.37 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.16.43 # no feel sorry for you now 06.16.47 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.17.03 # arrghh. still didn't compile dumb 06.17.15 # umm... what is dumb? 06.17.26 # i wuv my proc <3 06.17.30 # wait, tracker format? 06.17.31 # piroko: DUMB tracker music codec 06.17.45 # voltagex: what system do those usually come from? 06.18.29 Quit Febs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.34 # piroko: all kinds 06.18.38 # real 1m57.713s 06.18.39 # midkay: you still here? 06.18.43 # ok 06.18.52 # biffhero: where'd you get that readout? 06.18.55 # piroko, brand new cvs checkout works now. 06.19.02 # piroko: 'time make' 06.19.15 # biffhero: awesome. I'm happy it worked! 06.19.28 # * piroko is going to time his powerbook... 06.19.50 # biffhero: you any good with makefiles? 06.20.01 # voltagex: not sure, what's up? 06.20.19 # biffhero: can't get the "dumb" codec to compile 06.20.28 # biffhero: it was disabled somehow in the makefile 06.20.31 # real 0m2.665s 06.20.33 # is dumb.o a targe? 06.20.38 # lol. just kidding! 06.20.45 # piroko: that's not right after a 'make clean'? 06.20.48 # i need to stop saying lol... 06.20.54 # biffhero: i know. it was a joke 06.20.59 # voltagex: um, make that a target. 06.21.03 # voltagex, yes? 06.21.16 # midkay: no worky after changes to Makefile 06.21.21 # * biffhero hands piroko a lighter, wouldn't want him to be cold for the rest of his life. 06.21.55 # ifndef SIMVER near the top.. 06.22.01 # maybe try adding DUMB in that list.. 06.22.45 # added to sources 06.22.55 # brb 06.23.00 # make[2]: *** No rule to make target `dumb.c', needed by `/home/Administrator/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/dep-codecs'. Stop. 06.23.00 # make[1]: *** [build-codecs] Error 2 06.23.00 # make: *** [all] Error 2 06.23.05 # oops sorry 06.23.33 # voltagex: do you have this line: export SOFTWARECODECS=libmad liba52 libffmpegFLAC libTremor libwavpack dumb libmusepack libalac libfaad libm4a 06.24.18 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzzzz") 06.24.46 # biffhero: where's that supposed to be? 06.24.51 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.25.06 # ouch. my time estimate was a bit off... real 2m57.630s 06.25.18 # voltagex: that's in my Makefile in my build/ directory 06.25.24 # piroko: :-P 06.25.54 Quit piroko ("This computer has gone to sleep") 06.26.27 Join sharpe [0] (n=sharpe@cm-155.pamamm.wpa.net) 06.26.38 # hey everyone... 06.27.20 # biffhero: yes that line is there 06.27.31 # No, no, it's "Hi everybody!" 06.27.50 # voltagex: yeah, I realized that I was barking up a wrong tree after I looked for 'dumb.c' on my machine 06.28.16 # biffhero: should I try a make clean? 06.28.20 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 06.28.32 # voltagex: that can't hurt, it will only cost you time. 06.28.41 # piroko: reboot to the faster CPU? 06.29.05 # biffhero: no, shut my laptop lid so I could safely go to the bathroom :) 06.29.14 # what did it say? 06.29.24 # piroko: afraid you can't aim over it? 06.29.31 # * piroko has quit IRC ("This computer has gone to sleep") 06.29.44 # the reason it's only "hey everyone..." is because i still feel the same as i did before i was in PA. 06.29.50 # preglow? 06.30.06 # biffhero: you do realise that *everything* pisses all over Macintrash. 06.30.24 # d'oh! 06.30.27 # sweet. no, i'm supposed to be sleeping right now and my laptop is in my bed. if my parents were to wake up, it'd be under my pillow and under sight 06.30.36 # and i'm still in pennsylvania. 06.30.38 # i mean out of sight... 06.30.54 # voltagex: what do you have against macintrash? 06.30.55 # nope, still the make error 06.30.55 # piroko: man, I used to read under the covers with a flashlight. you IRC under the covers with a laptop 06.31.13 # voltagex: I noticed that I don't have a 'dumb.c' in my source tree at all 06.31.13 # at least e doesn't need a flashlight for that. 06.31.13 # biffhero: and read with a flashlight under the covers ;) 06.31.14 # piroko: quite a lot of trouble with them at school 06.31.29 # voltagex: they run os9? 06.31.54 # biffhero: at first I had to specifically checkout dumb from the codecs directory in cvs 06.32.07 # voltagex: because I HATE os9... we have it at our school too and they really really suck... 06.32.08 # piroko: ok ok, OSX is much better 06.32.10 # voltagex: ah, you are ahead of me, then 06.32.17 # voltagex: yes, thank you ;) 06.32.30 # midkay: help needed 06.32.33 # why do i feel like i'm just reading someone's conversation? 06.32.35 # voltagex: 'cvs co dumb' ? it failed for me 06.32.48 # sharpe: because you are? 06.32.49 # voltagex, is biffhero helping you or what? 06.32.52 Part Paul_The_Nerd 06.33.04 # meh. 06.33.20 # biff: the command I'm using is: cvs -z3 06.33.21 # -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox/ 06.33.21 # co rockbox 06.33.21 DBUG Enqueued KICK voltagex 06.33.21 # 06.33.23 # wtf 06.33.42 # voltagex: me too, but how did you checkout dumb? 06.33.47 # the change co rockbox to co rockbox/apps/codecs/dumb 06.33.53 # i'm five hundred miles away from my home, on a laptop, past midnight, on a slow broadband connection.... 06.34.04 # going to go tuck some rugrats into bed. brb 06.34.05 # in the dark too. 06.34.11 # k 06.34.19 # i've got a handcrank too. 06.34.21 # midkay: biffhero got stuck too 06.34.22 # sharpe: i'm in my bed in the dark on a laptop... 06.34.30 Ctcp Ignored 2 channel CTCP requests in 8 seconds at the last flood 06.34.30 # * piroko wants a gas-powered laptop 06.34.33 # voltagex, well.. 06.34.40 # hold on, i'll try it myself.. 06.34.41 # * piroko with a bits-per-gallon rating... 06.34.50 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 06.34.52 # make[2]: *** No rule to make target `dumb.c', needed by `/home/Administrator/rockbox/build/apps/codecs/dep-codecs'. Stop. 06.34.57 # ... i'm tired... 06.35.01 # midkay, what have i missed since i've not been here? 06.35.06 # I can't 'cvs co rockbox/apps/codecs/dumb', I get an error 06.35.25 # hmm try my full command 06.35.32 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-18bcf48a.dyn.optonline.net) 06.35.40 # sharpe, nothing noteworthy :) 06.35.44 # oh 06.35.46 # fun 06.35.50 # yep! 06.36.14 # do you have any idea what i was working on, for rockbox, before i left for spring break? 06.36.15 # or if that doesn't work: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@www.rockbox.org:/cvsroot/rockbox/apps/codecs co dumb 06.36.18 # cvs server: modules file missing directory for module rockbox/apps/codecs/dumb 06.36.27 # voltagex: that's it 06.36.42 # well... /cvsroot/rockbox/apps/codecs: no such repository 06.37.21 # sharpe: You were making the "dumb" tracker music codec work j/k 06.37.30 # biffhero: sorry, no idea 06.37.50 # i've had an odd, memory lapse type thing 06.38.03 # * piroko hides under his covers as a thunderstorm approaches... 06.38.26 # * scorche wishes he had a laptop 06.38.38 # technically, this isn't my laptop 06.39.02 # * voltagex wishes he had a laptop that was useful for something else other than paperweight 06.39.05 # which is why i don't have my rockbox development tools. 06.39.18 # ooh, i have one of those. 06.39.32 # no cd drive. from, 1995. 06.39.42 # my parents bought me this powerbook for christmas... with my money... 06.39.50 # >_> 06.39.54 # heheh. 06.40.07 # i need to find a nice, cheap laptop.. 06.40.12 # * piroko has a 486 nec versa laptop from 1980 06.40.16 # sharpe: my laptop is from last year 06.40.29 # piroko: aaaww yeah! coaxial network port? 06.40.54 # voltagex: yep! and believe it or not, a pcmcia slot! 06.41.01 # i think the one i have is either a 386 or 486... 06.41.05 # with an ethernet card! 06.41.07 # not sure if it's 1995... 06.41.55 # http://digg.com/gaming/HALO_3_TRAILER__2 06.41.57 # err 06.41.59 # worng window 06.42.07 # wonderful gaim and it's multi-protocol support. 06.42.12 # i tried putting menuetos on my 486, but the graphics card was too slow. hey! anyone play skyroads for DOS? 06.42.28 # sorry, off-topic... 06.42.40 # i barely got menuetos working on my old laptop. 06.42.54 # only got it working like once 06.43.01 # piroko: YES! I have the full version of that, as well as Jazz Jackrabbit and OMF 2097 06.43.02 # sharpe: do you remember the setting you used by chance? 06.43.11 # voltagex: that's so cool... 06.43.40 # piroko: OMF2097 is freeware now 06.43.52 # nope... don't remember 06.43.57 # seriously!? freeware for DOS only or open source? 06.44.03 # sharpe: that's ok. no biggie 06.44.20 # but almost every time i tried, the floppy drive kind of... failed 06.44.30 # god damnit, there is a cricket here. 06.44.51 # piroko: freeware for dos, there's an open source clone written in Ruby 06.45.29 # no, nevermind. 06.45.43 # i think i may be losing it. 06.45.56 # voltagex: awesome thanks 06.46.04 # midkay: any luck getting it to build? 06.48.16 # back in a bit 06.48.19 Quit piroko ("This computer has gone to sleep") 06.48.23 # whee, i'm off to fix dead pixels. 06.50.30 # eh, nevermind 06.51.33 # or not 06.51.55 # voltagex, sorry, finished editing a wiki page and then had to go get the laundry.. vmware's booted and ready, so i'll try it now.. 06.52.23 # anyone think of any more ideas for the c64 emulator? 06.52.29 # while i was gone... 06.52.30 # sharpe, ideas? it' 06.52.33 # it's an emulator. :) 06.52.48 # i mean, more features to implement... 06.52.55 # like what? 06.53.06 # i don't know. that's why i'm asking :) 06.53.19 # an emulator emulates.. 'features'? :) 06.53.46 # sure. 06.53.58 # sharpe: save state, screenshot, mabye even video clip recording? 06.54.31 Join vmx_ [0] (i=oma@p549B565B.dip.t-dialin.net) 06.54.33 # well, screenshots can be made with just rockbox, so i really shouldn't have to do that... 06.54.50 Quit vmx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.54.50 # voltagex, is "dumb" supposed to be working? 06.55.10 # midkay: according to HCl, yes, slowly 06.55.15 # hmm. 06.55.17 # okay. 06.55.20 Join Jiremi [0] (n=a@pool-71-251-175-148.bflony.east.verizon.net) 06.55.44 # hi 06.55.59 Quit dj-fu (Remote closed the connection) 06.56.24 # is there a plugin for the ipod video rockbox that would let me record from a mic plugged into the headphone jack? 06.57.13 # nope. 06.57.39 # I heard ipodlinux has a hack for ipod recording 06.57.45 Nick carini is now known as carini[away] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 06.57.57 # ok thanks 06.58.06 # will it work with rockbox? 06.58.13 # nope. 06.58.19 # oh 06.58.30 # well, depends on what you mean 06.59.05 # their method, their program, etc... 06.59.10 # oh 06.59.14 # eh, you may not want to listen to me 06.59.17 # it's possible to install ipodlinux and rockbox on the same ipod. I've never done it. 06.59.20 # voltagex, i'm not sure, i think you lack the necessary dumb.c or something,. 06.59.24 # i'm partially incoherent. 06.59.30 # right now anywya 06.59.34 # anyway. 06.59.35 # and I'm not actually sure ipodlinux allows recording, you might want to be smart and check whether it does 07.00.26 # ok 07.00.52 # midkay: err did it work for you? 07.01.21 # wait i thought ipod linux didnt work on the video ipod 07.01.54 # even their page says it isnt supported 07.02.21 # voltagex, no, i think *we* lack the necessary dumb.c i mean. 07.02.22 # or something.. 07.02.38 # it's unsupported, but can be made to work 07.02.40 # I think 07.03.41 # i tried it once, had to repartition a volume that wouldnt be written to half the time, it wasnt fun 07.04.29 # you're right, it's not fun, which is why I never bothered to use ipodlinux 07.04.35 # it's offically unsupported, but unoffically supported. 07.04.50 # ok 07.05.28 # i make such wonderful logic. 07.06.00 # :( 07.07.14 # i've got four, actually dead pixels on this screen it would seem 07.08.06 # eh... i think i may go soon. 07.10.50 # ugh... 07.11.09 # i'm done, i'll go feel bad while i sleep. 07.11.20 # later conscious people. 07.12.51 # midkay: there is no dumb.c in the official makefile 07.12.53 # midkay: there is no dumb.c in the official makefile 07.12.55 # aargh 07.12.56 # oops 07.13.00 # i'll get to work on the c64 emulator for rockbox when i get home. 07.13.06 # voltagex, .. right, which i think is the problem. 07.13.06 # the official release. 07.13.16 # from dumb.sf.net 07.13.16 Part sharpe 07.14.02 # right, i think dumb.c should be a rockbox creation or something.. 07.14.14 # like the glue that.. holds rockbox and the codec itself together.. or something witty like that. 07.15.25 # bbiab. 07.15.58 # :( 07.17.58 Quit Angel_of_Death ("Leaving") 07.22.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.22.42 # well I'm gone for a little while 07.22.50 Nick voltagex is now known as VoltAFK (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 07.22.50 DBUG Enqueued KICK VoltAFK 07.28.53 Join webguest26 [0] (n=de9911ec@labb.contactor.se) 07.29.02 # hello :) 07.29.08 # hola 07.29.28 # there is something wrong with #rockbox channel, I can't log in using ksirc 07.29.46 # it comes up saying I have been banned from the channel 07.29.53 # even though this is the first time I've visited it 07.30.14 Join euxneks [0] (n=euxneks@S0106002078e04a9b.gv.shawcable.net) 07.30.27 # d'oh 07.30.31 # feature freeze 07.30.37 # does that mean what I think it means? 07.31.31 # at least bugfixes are still allowed during a feature freeze 07.31.42 # hmm 07.31.47 # whens the eta for that release? 07.32.12 # hrm 07.32.23 # well I was wondering if there is a way to view photos with the rockbox? 07.33.08 # I think there's a jpeg viewer 07.33.38 Join jnc [0] (n=erisha@c-71-57-125-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 07.33.49 # hallo 07.34.03 # hola 07.35.27 Quit Jiremi () 07.35.41 # i'm checking out portable players, since i was amazed to find that rockbox is working on iPod hardware 07.35.50 # also the woot.com listing ;) 07.36.20 # if i'm listening to oggvorbis and flac audio primarily, what is the best way to go? 07.36.40 # I have an iAudio and that works nicely for flac and ogg 07.37.05 # I use an ipod nano exclusively with ogg 07.37.26 # can you convert *.m4a to ogg? 07.37.26 # I suppose rockbox and ipod is a nice combo =) 07.37.48 # you can, with the usual enormous loss of quality that comes with transcoding 07.37.58 # depends on whether it's a DRM one or not, I think 07.38.02 # ah 07.38.12 # ah that too =) 07.38.19 # iAudio looks nice 07.38.34 # the X6 I think is the new one 07.38.41 # I have an X5 and it's pretty nice 07.38.47 # you could also get a PMP 07.38.51 # euxneks: never had that sort of problem before; its just a run of the mill m4a rip 07.38.57 # to watch movies on a tiny little screen 07.39.06 # movies are working in rockbox? 07.39.15 # certainly not 07.39.18 # ohh 07.39.24 # euxneks: there's already a photo viewer in rockbox 07.39.24 # webguest26: if you had the original CD, it's best to recode into ogg if you really want to go that route 07.39.49 # ashridah: do you have a link? 07.39.49 Quit webguest26 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 07.39.50 # linuxstb: there? 07.39.53 # i wish players had support for SD cards 07.39.59 # some do 07.40.06 # it is so easy to find SD media... 07.40.11 # euxneks: it's in the codebase already, if you've got it installed, just find an image and open it 07.40.19 # oh 07.40.27 # so it's not like a seperate module or something 07.40.35 # that's pretty cool 07.40.36 # how does rockbox keep all the firmware similar, is it written mostly in C? 07.40.37 # well, it is, it's a viewer plugin 07.40.43 # but it's there 07.41.00 # jnc: mostly C, some assembly for optimisation or hardware specific purposes 07.41.11 # but that's kept to a minimum where possibly 07.41.13 # possible even 07.41.26 # is there a way to change the interface? 07.41.35 # change the interface to what? 07.41.50 # not just the WPS 07.42.05 # I mean customize to interesting colors, etc 07.42.11 # currently only the WPS is customizable 07.42.12 # change key bindings 07.42.18 # oh ok 07.42.35 # it's only been fairly recently that rockbox has had hardware where it's even desirable to try 07.42.44 # oh.. 07.42.48 # i.e. iaudio? 07.42.50 # the foreground and background colors can be customized 07.42.58 # true 07.43.00 # euxneks: well, iriver/ipod in general 07.43.04 # ah 07.43.04 # you can also add a background image 07.43.10 # it's only been about two years, and they're more interested in functionality over appearance 07.43.15 # that's it, short of the ultimate customization, which is changing the source code 07.43.25 # ah ok 07.43.39 # welp it's late for me. 07.43.44 # but yes, a complete theming rewrite isn't impossible, it's just not on anyone's plate right now, particularly given the freeze 07.43.45 # thanks for the info everyone.. =) 07.44.14 # thanks ashridah 07.44.21 # Galois too =) 07.44.34 # be back when my gf returns my iaudio she's borrowing 07.44.56 # i think battery life is important to me. i would be listening to music anywhere from 6-8 hours continuous 07.45.22 # would that be troublesome for rockbox supported players? 07.45.28 # my iaudio x5 routinely lasts the whole day 07.45.35 # anyway I'm off to bed gnite 07.45.36 # i will look into that 07.45.39 Quit euxneks ("Woof") 07.45.41 # thanks for the advices 07.45.57 Join Bg3r [0] (n=Bager@rockbox/developer/Bger) 07.47.02 # jnc: some players aren't terribly well optimised in rockbox yet, so their battery life is occasionally suboptimal 07.47.17 # ipod nano only lasts 8 hours max with vorbis, at present 07.48.42 # Galois, does that mean ipod nano is an example of suboptimal battery useage? 07.48.59 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 07.49.11 # Galois: it hasn't gotten better with the cpu-freq addition? 07.49.17 # or that IS better? :) 07.49.20 Join rUiSu [0] (n=ircap8@red-corp-201.143.53.54.telnor.net) 07.49.39 # 8 hours is fine for me, but maybe others differ 07.50.06 # the sad thing it is it could easily be 20 hours if apple would only make the thing twice as thick 07.52.24 # i would feel evil to buy from Apple 08.02.10 # so.. how have you all been doing? 08.03.03 # sleepy ;) 08.03.12 # mm 08.03.48 # how much time do you spend every day developing this software??? 08.03.56 # ..or firmware... 08.04.10 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.04.10 # * ashridah pauses his ritual of stabbing caricatures of Sun microsystem's JCE long enough to wave 08.04.43 # rUiSu: it varies from developer to developer and how much other work each developer has on 08.04.48 # hehe 08.06.29 # "Hold down your shift and 4 keys at the same time. In about a second you will be making $$$ fast." 08.06.46 Nick VoltAFK is now known as VoltageX (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 08.06.46 DBUG Enqueued KICK VoltageX 08.06.49 # duh 08.07.03 # :P thats pretty old yet I had forgot aboutit 08.07.26 # i ead that somewhere earlier today... 08.07.28 # read 08.08.02 # bash.org 08.08.13 # thoughtso 08.12.28 # http://www.engadget.com/2005/05/23/cowon-iaudio-x5-reviewed/ read comment 32 ;) 08.14.31 # hehe 08.14.54 # midkay: there's a DUMB diff on the tracker (if you're still around) 08.15.32 # ok, c ya everybody 08.15.34 Quit rUiSu ("• IRcap [8.12] • www.ircap.com •") 08.16.30 # does iAudio X5L versus X5 offer any difference using rockbox fw/ 08.16.43 # s:\/:?: 08.44.31 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.45.21 Join RedBreva [0] (n=root@host86-133-124-164.range86-133.btcentralplus.com) 08.46.58 # any devs active? 08.47.29 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-175.VIC.netspace.net.au) 08.47.41 # ashridah: are you a dev? 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09.50.43 # I'll pastebin it 09.52.44 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.53.22 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.53.35 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@106-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 09.55.52 # VoltageX: i can look if you need general help... ? 09.56.56 Part Paul_The_Nerd 09.56.59 # JdGordon: ok, i need to modify it first 10.00.56 # http://pastebin.com/664547 , REALLY long sorry 10.01.19 # error messages at the bottom 10.01.49 # hmm 10.02.54 Join pfavr_ [0] (n=Peter_Fa@0x50a32a37.unknown.tele.dk) 10.03.05 # u missing a .h or something? 10.04.15 # quite possibly...gimme a min 10.04.27 Quit pfavr_ (Client Quit) 10.07.10 # afaict no 10.08.05 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 10.11.23 # have u changed this file? 10.11.38 # JdGordon: no 10.12.22 # wierd... iv just pulled down the latest cvs and im doing a search through the code for he undefined functinos and its not being found at all... 10.13.50 # any luck getting dumb to make..? 10.13.51 # JdGordon: this .c was from a diff, but the diff messes things up 10.14.09 # ah, ok that would make sense.. then the diff is fubar 10.14.12 # HCl: we're missing dumb.c 10.14.17 # ur definatly missing a file or 2 10.14.22 # just make a dummy one? 10.14.50 # HCl: possibly, but midkay seemed to think we needed something so RockBox could use DUMB 10.15.10 # well eventually you need a proper dumb.c 10.15.18 # for me the more immediate issue was trying to get it to build at all 10.15.26 # where is the patch? 10.15.30 # I found a diff from 2005 that implements DUMB as a .rock, but it's shonky as all hell 10.15.31 # someone disabled it sometime, but i don't know how. 10.15.58 # i'm actually bored at the moment so i happen to have some spare time 10.16.23 # yay 10.16.32 # from what i saw in the makefile, we need a dumb.c in codecs, and have that added to the SOURCES 10.16.45 # HCl: I'll get you dumb-plugin.diff 10.16.49 # then we need to add a dumb.elf line or similar, and add a dependency on $(BUILDDIR)/libdumb.a 10.16.58 # then the makefile *should* call make libdumb 10.17.03 # that's how far i got anyways 10.17.14 # it should've called make in dumb but it didn't 10.17.18 # and i had no idea why not 10.17.19 # :/ 10.17.36 # HCl: someone's ahead of you, already implemented fixed point math by the look of it 10.17.37 # okay 10.17.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2793 10.17.43 # sweet. 10.17.51 # sounds as if it's not too hard to get it to work then. 10.17.58 # well 10.18.01 # math.h compatible implementation of pow(), 10.18.02 # exp(), log() and floor(), based on libmsun from FreeBSD 10.18.02 # 4.11 10.18.03 # it never seemed as much work anyways 10.18.09 # it needed only a few functions 10.18.10 # nice 10.18.12 # I'm not having much luck with linebreaks here 10.18.14 # lol 10.18.41 # that should make it easier for you 10.18.46 # 2005-12-01.. 10.18.48 # hmmmm.. 10.18.59 # lets see if i can check that version out and make it patch cleanly first 10.19.04 # it seems all you'd have to do is un-pluginify dumb.c from that diff 10.19.08 # yeah 10.19.14 # does it patch cleanly? 10.19.30 # HCl: unfortunately...heeeeeeeeeell no! 10.19.34 # k 10.19.57 # it seems to completely fubar plugin.c/h 10.20.32 # but still, reduces your workload 10.21.11 # lets see if this works.. 10.21.25 # trying to check out 2005-12-01 10.21.26 # HCl: famous last words 10.21.30 # :P 10.21.34 # oh yes 10.21.44 # i say that a lot when running untested code 10.21.45 # HCl: I'll just add Chemical X to Chemical Y 10.21.46 # for the first time 10.21.47 # xD 10.22.10 # actually, Zn to HCl, then drop a match in 10.22.34 # err, H2SO4, actually 10.22.52 # my highschool chemistry fails me 10.23.04 # patch unexpectedly ends in middle of line... 10.23.18 # HCl: it's not just me then 10.23.37 # it's gzipped twice 10.23.38 # >.> 10.23.39 # I ended up extracting dumb.c from that diff to muck around with it 10.23.45 # yes 10.24.10 # can't find file to patch.. 10.24.15 # hm.. 10.24.29 # HCl: that's only a simulator file, screw that 10.24.32 # mhm 10.24.45 # welp 10.24.49 # that patched cleanly 10.24.51 # and why am I bothering autocompleting your name when we're the only one's talking 10.25.03 # !!! kekekekeke zomg tracker music 10.25.42 # now i need to figure out how to unset the -D option.... 10.26.56 # aha 10.26.58 # cvs update -A 10.27.02 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 10.27.02 # * HCl makes a backup first.. 10.27.39 # * HCl has to go back to family again. 10.27.41 # bbl :/ 10.27.47 # screw the family! 10.28.09 # JdGordon: that would be illegal in a lot of countries. 10.28.15 # baahhahaa 10.31.05 # lol, my mrs is addicted to bubble.rockbox. 10.31.09 # I wish I hadn't shown her. 10.31.29 # back >> 10.31.31 # lessee. 10.32.00 # 5 conflicts 10.32.02 # not too bad 10.32.41 # I'ma bbl too, later all... good luck HCl 10.32.55 # :'( why does everyone add album art to their wps's?? 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:D 10.48.59 # ravon: I've been fighting with it the whole day. HCl seems to be getting somewhere 10.49.17 # VoltageX: You got the lib to compile, right? 10.49.22 # well 10.49.25 # it patches cleanly 10.49.29 # ravon: no 10.49.30 # it fails to build and link libdumb now 10.49.44 # no, do you know how to get it to compile? 10.49.54 # 10.49.56 # I compiled the lib separately, so I'm gonna try with the dumb.c file included in the patch. 10.50.28 # ravon: if you get it going, can you make a diff? 10.50.34 # VoltageX: sure 10.50.46 # VoltageX: For which player are you compiling? 10.50.58 # H340 10.51.08 # nice beefy 124mhz processor 10.51.56 # :D 10.53.47 # hang on, if ravon got the lib to compile, and HCl's stuck with the lib, couldn't we put it together? 10.54.33 # I compiled the lib outside of Rockbox with the m68k cross compiler against the Rockbox headers. Not the slightest idea if it'll actually work. 10.55.08 # ravon: tell HCl how you got it to compile 10.55.13 # i got the plugin stuff working and all.. just the lib won't compile... 10.57.56 # btw, any reason why dumb is a plugin and not a codec? 10.58.43 # HCl: It really wasn't any magic involved. I configured dumb with their configure script and changed the compiler to my cross compiler in Makefile.rdy 10.58.52 # And added the include path to the Rockbox headers. 10.59.06 # most codecs were first a plugin in their early stages 10.59.09 # and later made into codes 10.59.10 # codecs 10.59.13 # ah 10.59.30 # i'm trying to compile the original 2005-12-01 version now 10.59.58 # HCl: audio doesn't work in that version :S 11.00.17 # Ah, that's what I did. I copied the Rockbox dumb-files over the CVS-dumb files since the Rockbox ones contained a bunch of changes. 11.00.31 # Trying to compile the almighty uglyhack version here. 11.00.31 # yup 11.00.35 # this is compiling dumb.. 11.00.37 # VoltageX: hmm..? 11.00.57 # VoltageX: what do you mean? 11.01.33 # prepare for multiline paste 11.01.45 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.01.46 Quit BHSPitLappy (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.01.57 # Audio output does not work H300; someone (LinusN) 11.01.58 # on IRC mentioned that the pcm_play_data() API is 11.01.58 # currently out of order 11.02.19 # from the patch page for that dumb plugin patch 11.02.22 Quit carini[away] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.02.32 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 11.05.02 # aha 11.05.50 # aha? 11.06.43 # well 11.06.45 # in theory 11.06.51 # it should compile in the nowadays rockbox 11.06.58 # provided i figure out how to enable building of libdumb 11.09.36 # That will make some people quite happy 11.09.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: and shut me up 11.10.29 # well I have to go again, good luck (again) HCl 11.10.30 # * HCl searches for his cvs login 11.10.39 # i'll commit the libdumb updates first 11.11.45 # HCl: Could you send me your modified dumb.c? 11.13.53 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.14.58 # mm? i haven't modified it o-o 11.15.20 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-152-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.15.29 # Hmmmm. Tons upon tons of errors in mine :/ 11.15.54 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 11.16.48 # i get a lot of warnings but it compiles 11.16.58 # on the original version anyways 11.17.09 # the new one won't compile because libdumb won't compile 11.18.49 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.19.19 # Hmmm, ok. 11.19.33 # Oh, God. Gonna have to reindent this entire file. 11.19.36 # if(f==zero) if(k==0) return zero; else {dk=(double)k; 11.19.51 Part Paul_The_Nerd 11.20.06 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-152-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.22.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.28.13 # :( 11.28.39 # doh, mrs just found Jewels on rockbox 11.28.42 # never gonna get it back now 11.29.14 # mrs? 11.29.31 # oh. Mrs. 11.29.35 # heh 11.29.45 # dj-fu: so give her one of the many many pc clones 11.29.56 # bbiiab 11.30.03 # ravon: it's called astyle 11.30.08 # lol, don't have a pc for her to play it on 11.30.17 # i will not swap my laptop for my ipod ;p 11.30.26 # ah 11.30.35 Join mikolas [0] (n=mikolas@a85-156-210-49.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 11.30.52 # oooh goodie! "H300: Optimised PCF50606 driver, significantly reduces CPU power drain" 11.31.19 # HCl: Unreadable and gave me lots of warnings about ambigous elses :) 11.31.49 # HCl: *pester* 11.32.52 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fcf08.f.strato-dslnet.de) 11.32.58 Join Myth1 [0] (n=Muesli24@pD95FDCD5.dip.t-dialin.net) 11.33.10 # hi guys 11.34.44 # linuxstb: Are you here? 11.35.02 # does the pcf5606 driver optimization also benefit x5? 11.35.38 # ravon: ah. 11.35.45 # VoltageX: afk, bbs :/ 11.35.55 # me too ;) 11.37.19 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.38.00 Join ender` [0] (n=ender@84.52.165.220) 11.38.18 # mikolas: don't know. maybe? 11.39.14 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.40.33 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-152-053.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.42.26 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.42.35 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 11.47.25 # I have a question: Linuxstb added the sid codec to the patch tracker. If I write a new version, do I have to modify the thread from linuxstb or do I have to create a new task? 11.48.09 # an update to his patch, or a new patch completely? 11.48.10 # Myth1, it depends on how much you change i guess, i'd probably post it in the same thread. 11.48.55 # alright, on an ipod nano, how do I boot to original firmware 11.49.36 # dj-fu: hold menu 11.49.43 # (or something to that effect) 11.49.44 # ah ty 11.49.46 # Myth1: You should post it in the same thread - but I'm not sure if the patch tracker will allow you to do it. If that's the case, then start a new thread, and I'll close the first one. 11.51.52 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.52.01 # looks like i'm gonna have to hax up a .wps 11.52.08 # that snap font is mint but it looks wack with all the included ones 11.52.51 # linuxsstb: I'm afraid I can't modify your thread 11.53.12 # Myth1: OK, then just start a new one. 11.53.27 # ok, you can then ignore my last mail 11.53.34 # wowee, gapless playback (vorbis) is really something else 11.53.40 # I have new improvements available ;) 11.53.47 # Track length? 11.53.50 # * daurnimator lobs a holy hand grenade at Myth1 7,8ð 11,4"Halleluja!" 7,8ð 8,4BoOm 11.53.53 # yo 11.53.55 # no, not yet (unfortunately) 11.54.08 # but the sound quality is far more better than the version from tonight 11.54.20 # Just read your email - that's good news. 11.54.32 # and its even faster ;) 11.54.56 # you should try the latest version, I'm really satisfied with the quality. the filters sound really nice - and they are all integer calculations ;) 11.56.02 # what about subsong selection? 11.56.13 # is there a tut on wps creation? 11.56.21 # dj-fu: yes on the wiki 11.56.24 # ty 11.56.43 # Ave: That won't be possible without changes to the core Rockbox playback engine. Codecs themselves don't interact with the user. 11.57.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SimpleGuideToWPSMaking 11.57.50 # yes, I was hopinh myth1 had some trick up his sleeve 11.58.48 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.stb.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.58.50 # unfortunately not :( 11.58.52 Quit mikolas (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.59.42 # is there some way I can simulate rockbox, so I don't have to copy and unplug et all the time to test ou a theme? 11.59.58 # yes, use the simulator included? but you need sources I think 12.00.03 # the wiki has section on that too 12.00.46 # :o 12.00.46 # HCl: you still afk?\ 12.00.48 # mmh, I have problems with generating the cvs diff. I did "export CVSROOT=~sinsch/src", copied the rockbox folder to ~sinsch/src/CVSROOT and then did a cvs diff >mypatch.diff, however it did not detect my changes in the sid codec 12.00.50 # sweet, i'll take a look 12.00.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UiSimulator 12.02.27 Join ender1 [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 12.02.50 # btw: Is it possible to get a cvs account (limited to my codec), once the feature freeze is resolved? 12.06.27 # Myth1: You shouldn't change CVSROOT. 12.06.43 # doh, is it just me or do neither of the wps wikis' say how to specify a font 12.06.44 # Doing "cvs diff > mypatch.diff" will not pick up sid.c - because it isn't in CVS. 12.06.54 # VoltageX: sorta. 12.06.57 # cancel that, i'm stupid 12.07.31 Quit ender` (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.34 # linuxstb: Ah ok, so that was for the "diff /dev/null apps/codec/sid.c" thingy. 12.07.40 # Myth1: You should also do "cvs diff -u3 > mypatch.diff" - to create a diff in "unified" format. That's the preferred format for Rockbox patches. 12.07.51 # sorry, for beeing so dumb :/( 12.08.01 # dj-fu, you can make a config with only the font in it, and bundle with WPS 12.08.06 # VoltageX: sup? 12.08.18 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 12.08.52 # HCl: any luck with libdumb? 12.09.43 # Myth1: Assuming you checked out the "rockbox" module from CVS, I think you just need to type "cd rockbox/ ; cvs diff -u3 > sid_v2.diff ; diff -u3 /dev/null apps/codecs/sid.c >> sid_v2.diff". 12.10.37 # You can then test that patch on a clean copy of the source from CVS, and see if it works. 12.11.21 # linuxstb: It required me to export CVSROOT, or specify cvs -d option. So I exportet the CVSROOT varaiable 12.11.33 # VoltageX: not really, i still don't know how to make it compile libdumb 12.11.34 # I think I got it to work 12.11.43 # doh 12.11.50 # and i'm stuck there so far 12.11.53 # didn't ravon manage it? 12.11.57 # no 12.12.07 # someone who knows about makefiles must help add it. 12.12.07 # doh 12.12.11 # VoltageX: Trying to get dump.c to compile with the m68k compiler. 12.12.13 # also i'm working on crappy equipment 12.12.16 # laptop keeps dying 12.12.18 # Myth1: Are you working in a copy of the source you have previously checked out from CVS, or a .tar.bz2 archive you downloaded? 12.12.21 # family wants to shove me out of the door 12.12.26 # and in general i'm fairly stressed 12.12.57 # HCl: ok, seriously, I know I go on about it but don't worry too much about DUMB 12.13.05 # linuxstb: I checked the source out as described on the rockbox cvs page 12.13.06 # nah, i want it to work 12.13.11 # i just don't know these makefiles. 12.13.35 # i need to be less stressed before i can look at it normally 12.13.58 # where's lostlogic when we need him 12.14.02 # Myth1: In the directory where you are typing "cvs diff", do you have a "CVS" subdirectory (and apps/, firmware/, tools/ etc) ? 12.14.57 # yea, found it, it's *.cfg under themes/ 12.15.04 # HCl: Are you trying to use libdumb in a plugin or a codec? 12.15.59 # plugin. 12.16.01 # but either way 12.16.04 # i need it built. 12.16.13 # at the moment it won't build libdumb at all. 12.17.30 # You should try adding it as a dependency to one of the existing codecs - e.g. mpa.c 12.17.43 # yea, that was what i was about to do 12.17.44 # :p 12.17.56 # just as we speak : 12.18.03 # mpa.elf to be precise... 12.19.47 # works. 12.20.00 # no idea why adding my dumb.c and adding it there didn't though 12.20.13 # !!! 12.20.53 # compiling.. 12.21.17 # Did you add dumb.c to the apps/codecs/SOURCES file? 12.21.39 # oh, i suddenly get a compile error in the plugin 12.21.40 # yea. 12.21.49 # it was making dumb.c but ignoring its dependency 12.22.40 # hmmmm... 12.23.19 # ah, this should be easy to fix 12.24.12 Quit Gibbed (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.24.34 # or not o-o. 12.24.38 # who can tell me about pcm_play_data 12.24.46 # haha, just struggled with that :D 12.24.54 Join mikolas [0] (n=mikolas@a85-156-210-49.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 12.25.14 # Got pissed off and changed it to: 12.25.15 # dumb_get_more_pcm(&buf, &size); 12.25.15 # rb->pcm_play_data(NULL, buf, size); 12.25.43 # I think pcm_play_data requires a callback function to provide more PCM data to the audio driver. 12.25.56 # ah 12.26.40 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 12.26.41 # rockboy and doom are two plugins that use sound. kkurbjun also made a midi-player plugin which I think is on the patch tracker. That also has sound output. 12.26.51 # mhm 12.26.52 # i saw.. 12.26.54 # But I've never done it myself, so can't help. 12.26.56 # they just pass NULL and 0 12.27.01 # Ah, OK then. 12.27.04 # so i'll just add that. 12.27.30 # that midi player doesn't work :P 12.28.40 # compiles 12.28.50 # i can't test here at the moment. 12.29.04 # what do you want me to compile it for voltage? h300? 12.29.09 # yeah 12.29.53 # k.. 12.30.41 Join JW [0] (n=personal@81-171-30-236.dsl.fiberworld.nl) 12.31.15 # compiling 12.31.18 # you'll have to test it 12.31.20 # When a patch is 'synced to cvs' does that mean it's useless to apply it? 12.31.39 # HCl: gladly test it 12.31.40 # i'd say it means it was updated to patch cleanly against new cvs 12.32.33 # HCl: ah, k. That makes sense indeed. 12.34.19 # doh 12.34.25 # i just crashed Doom and now it won't reboot 12.34.28 # (ipod) any ideas? 12.35.52 # fuck, I'm such an idiot. had Hold on. 12.35.57 # haha. 12.36.22 # I was thinking "shit I hope I didn't break it" 12.36.38 # luckily, you can't! 12.36.44 # hcl@titania:~/rockbox-dumb/rockbox/iriverh300$ make zip 12.36.45 # :) 12.36.53 # ipods don't need any help to break 12.37.02 # afk for a sec 12.37.29 # * HCl thinks he knows what the extra arguments are for 12.37.34 # initial buffer 12.37.35 # :) 12.38.40 # the new sid codec is online: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5157 12.38.40 Quit ender1 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.38.41 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 12.39.13 # ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/rockbox-dumb.zip 12.39.16 # VoltageX: try that. 12.42.07 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp123-178.adsl.forthnet.gr) 12.43.11 # buy guys 12.43.16 Quit Myth1 ("... und tschüß") 12.44.42 Join whitewiz [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@h77n2fls35o293.telia.com) 12.44.47 Quit whitewiz (Remote closed the connection) 12.44.57 Join whitewiz [0] (n=NNSCRIPT@h77n2fls35o293.telia.com) 12.45.17 # Managed to get it to compile, but objcopy generates a 0-byte .rock-file :/ 12.45.27 # * HCl looks at his .rock 12.45.46 # cruhd 12.45.47 # crud 12.45.49 # you're right 12.45.49 # :/ 12.46.56 Quit mikolas (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.48.12 Join Farpnut [0] (n=solo84@60.50.216.0) 12.48.15 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 12.48.25 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-106.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.48.56 Join marevalo [0] (n=marevalo@200.Red-217-126-183.staticIP.rima-tde.net) 12.51.44 # i'll make a patch against current cvs of what i have and put it on my ftp 12.51.48 # i have to go 12.52.10 Quit ender` (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.52.36 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A455F2.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.53.19 Nick stoffel_ is now known as stoffel (n=sfr@p5081750C.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.53.31 # ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/dumb.diff 12.56.58 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2494 has 4 attachments, which one is to be applied? 12.57.11 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-59-195.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.57.33 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 12.57.52 # HCl: congratiolations with the resultst of your university on the programmers match. 12.58.05 # not my university anymore, but thanks :o 12.58.11 # though i still live on the campus 12.58.43 # midkay: yes? 12.59.10 # and use it's servers :-P (or DNS at least) 12.59.15 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p5081728B.dip.t-dialin.net) 12.59.42 # preglow, oh, um.. i came up with a solution to the pitch screen a few days ago. 12.59.50 # * XavierGr drools over his new contest ackuired iHP-115 :) 13.00.15 # nice 13.00.25 # pitch_up = +0.1%; pitch_up|button_repeat = +2%; then the left/right operation of +/- 2% quick-flipping. 13.00.27 # this unit ticks too 13.00.36 # ticks? 13.00.41 # midkay: ahh, didn't notice 13.00.48 # JW: yup :P and its connection 13.00.53 # preglow, i didn't do it yet. 13.01.00 # 4 H100 remotes an H140, H115 and H340 and all remotes tick (exception on H340 with amiconn fix) 13.01.07 # just an idea.. which i will work on soon. 13.01.13 # midkay: basically sounds good, yes 13.01.31 # HCl: The slight ticking sound that an H100 remote makes on screen refresh. 13.01.41 # preglow, cool. 13.01.43 # ah 13.05.58 # preglow: Tried the latest version of the SID codec? 13.06.23 # linuxstb: nah 13.06.29 # just got up after sleeping for a zillion hours 13.06.40 # reading the patch as we speak 13.09.47 Quit Farpenoodle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.10.22 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.11.17 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@84-51-130-71.judith186.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.11.49 # the filter has waaay too large a cutoff 13.12.23 Quit stoffel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.13.10 Nick stoffel_ is now known as stoffel (n=sfr@p5081728B.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.13.15 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.02 # but that can be fixed by tuning, i expect 13.14.07 # it really should be a setting :> 13.14.33 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.17.15 # the filter seems to sit well with 8580 based tracks, though 13.18.46 # track transitions are even more lagged than before now :/ 13.20.01 # The code in sid.c that loads the SID file into the codec's buffer is very slow - I've just rewritten it, and will send it to Rainer. 13.20.04 Quit whitewiz ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 13.20.19 # hax 13.20.37 # metadata.c, you mean? 13.20.45 # No, I mean sid.c 13.20.52 # I haven't really looked at metadata.c 13.21.25 # sid.c loads files?? 13.21.28 # ahh, right 13.21.38 # haha 13.21.40 # Just the copying from the audio buffer to the local buffer. 13.21.45 # hmm, my rockbox sometimes loses it settings after a restart (especially after a crash) is there anyway to backup these? 13.21.52 # fortunately for me, the filter sounds almost exactly right on all of goto80's stuff 13.22.36 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-59-195.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.22.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.23.34 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 13.24.03 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-c010d96d717e9f38) 13.24.50 # some tunes are too slow 13.26.02 # Is that the PAL/NTSC timing issue? 13.26.15 # no, the factor is far too large 13.28.40 # hmm 13.29.10 # filter sounds decent enough, but it totally ruins some tracks 13.29.21 # but that's an old problem in the sid world anyway, and applies even to real c64s 13.32.29 # HCl: you still here? 13.34.55 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 13.37.10 # webmind: menu -> manage settings -> write .cfg file. 13.37.44 Quit elinenbe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.38.07 Quit filoktetes (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.38.43 Quit criminy ("leaving") 13.41.46 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.43.05 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 13.43.30 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.55.00 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 13.55.11 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p54967BFC.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.03.37 Quit pussfeller (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.04.19 Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.06.08 # there was no dumb plugin/codec in that zip HCl posted 14.07.52 Join swampcow [0] (n=apo@p548A028C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 14.08.14 # heh 14.08.22 # could explain why the .rock was empty? :) 14.08.39 # :( :( :( :( :( 14.08.48 # and now HCl is not here 14.09.06 # and I'm not allowed to stay up to 3am... 14.11.34 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-13.kotinet.com) 14.11.35 Join eper [0] (i=eper@eper.net) 14.12.42 # * ashridah points and laughs 14.16.08 Quit wehn () 14.18.26 Quit stoffel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.18.39 Join pussfeller [0] (n=todd@166-82-183-46.quickclick.ctc.net) 14.23.22 Quit Jungti1234 () 14.24.17 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.25.32 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 14.26.58 # linuxstb: there are also some other floating point code left in it 14.27.00 # is 14.34.40 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.35.50 Quit ashridah (Excess Flood) 14.36.17 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-175.VIC.netspace.net.au) 14.36.27 # preglow: does floating point math get emulated or cause crashes? 14.38.08 # emulation would be horribly horribly slow 14.38.21 # so much so that it may as well crash :) 14.38.27 Join stoffel [0] (n=sfr@p50817660.dip.t-dialin.net) 14.39.07 # Floating point is just done in software - which is slow. 14.40.16 # linuxstb: just init time, though 14.42.23 # linuxstb: is that why rockdoom takes a long time to start? 14.43.03 # Because it does stuff... You'll need to ask kkurbjun about it. 14.44.30 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.45.14 Quit quobl ("Leaving") 14.50.32 # linuxstb: I still get stuck in sudoku... 14.51.01 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d082111.adsl.hansenet.de) 14.51.18 # I'll hit "Menu" and it'll show the text input screen, and MENU again outputs "Save Failed" (this is a "New" Puzzle) 14.51.23 # brb 14.51.55 Join desheh [0] (n=desheh@84.94.108.202.cable.012.net.il) 14.51.58 # hey there 14.52.08 # can any1 help me with the iAudio port? 14.52.23 # I seem to have difficulties with it... 14.52.36 # shoot 14.52.58 # * lostlogic points linuxstb and preglow (and any other devs) to http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback <-- interested in comments on the doesn't work right yet metadata-on-buffer patch. 2 files changed, 718 insertions(+), 680 deletions(-) 14.53.03 # every time I try to play I file it tells me: 14.53.17 # I04: IllInstr 14.53.19 # 00000002 14.53.22 # wtf?! 14.54.00 # desheh: which build using? cause the current playback isn't full of stability 14.54.15 # * Moos point to lostlogic :p 14.54.19 # : )* 14.54.24 # the latest one 14.54.29 Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.54.29 # just d/led it 14.54.47 # if you're getting that on every file, it ain't me. 14.54.57 # desheh: did you folow all the installation steps? 14.56.07 Quit solexx_ (Remote closed the connection) 14.56.10 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d082111.adsl.hansenet.de) 14.56.29 # I believe so 14.57.03 # do you have fresh .rockbox dir with the iaudio.rockbox files? 14.57.19 # *file 14.57.47 # yeah 14.57.48 # wow 14.57.51 # that's weird 14.57.59 # now it suddenly plays.. 14.58.15 # were the files that broke DRMd or something weird 14.58.16 # ? 14.58.25 # lostlogic: any chance of improving the latency when skipping files? it almost seems like the entire pcm buffer has to empty before the new track starts 14.58.44 # lostlogic: ideally the remaining pcm buffer should be flushed when skipping tracks, imho 14.58.47 Nick VoltageX is now known as VoltAsleep (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 14.58.47 DBUG Enqueued KICK VoltAsleep 14.58.52 # preglow: skips that require disk buffering or skips that don't? 14.58.53 # g'night 14.58.59 # lostlogic: skips that do 14.59.12 # skips that don't work right, i think 14.59.23 # preglow: on nano? Hmm... on hdd players, that time is just disk spin time any way... 14.59.43 # i still think audio should stop at once when you skip 14.59.48 # it feels much more responsive 14.59.56 # how can I get hebew ID3 tags working? 15.00.07 # yeah, that can be done, either once I'm done with or once I give up on metadata on buffer. 15.00.44 # hmm 15.00.48 # i can't trigger it very easily now 15.01.03 # ahhh 15.01.13 # ? 15.01.46 # seems it's pretty random 15.01.54 # depends on pcm buffer level 15.02.02 # how 15.02.15 # ouch wrong windows :/ 15.02.22 # so sometimes the audio keeps playing until the pcm buffer goes empty, but others it shuts up immedaitely on skip press, and not relating to codec buffer levels? 15.02.32 # seems like it 15.02.38 # does any1 know how can I get hebew ID3 tags working? 15.02.41 # desheh: chech the codepage id3, set it to hebrew 15.02.49 # set what, the font? 15.02.53 # lostlogic: it seems to trigger more when i switch codecs 15.03.00 # I did, and I cashed the id3 15.03.06 # still jibberish 15.03.11 # deshe no, the option 15.03.16 # the setting 15.03.21 # huh? 15.03.31 # where is it? 15.03.33 # in what menu? 15.03.45 # lostlogic: btw, isn't metadata in buffer more of a 3.1 feature? sounds like a surefire way to introduce more bugs to me 15.03.59 # preglow: right now, I do not deliberately clear teh pcm buffer for any skips, I can add that. 15.04.25 # desheh: display/default codepage 15.04.33 # set to hebrew 15.04.39 # ooooohohh 15.04.42 # thanks alot! :D 15.04.46 # lostlogic: i'll have a look at the patch anyway 15.04.51 # so who do I need to shag to get non-skippy ipod playback ;] 15.04.57 # lostlogic: though i don't expect to understand much of it :> 15.04.59 # desheh: no problem 15.05.32 # preglow: I'm torn on the subject. metadata on buffer will help to solve some bugs which (imo) should be in before 3.0 (seeking from the last few seconds of a track mainly), and it's the 'right way' to handle it, IMO, but yes, now that I got into it and the diff got that large, I am thinking that it might be best left out for now, and leave seeking from the last pcmbuf secs of the buffer broken. 15.06.44 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.07.14 # thanks guys! 15.07.15 # bye~ 15.07.16 Quit desheh () 15.07.42 # dj-fu: probably you jus tneed to turn off eq, crossfeed, and replay gain and peekmeter 15.08.04 # I don't have any of those things turned on, unless it comes default with em turned on 15.08.06 # lostlogic: I'll look at your patch now, but I'm not intimate with the metadata handling. 15.08.48 # linuxstb: You and preglow seem to be the only folks around other than Slasheri and myself who will even take a peek into playback.c, so I figured I'd poke you in particular :) 15.09.22 # hehe : ) 15.09.34 # Lear could help too on those stuff 15.09.45 # Moos: aye, but he's not around as much :( 15.09.47 # but not around 15.09.55 # nope :( 15.10.01 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.10.01 # * linuxstb is wondering why people are getting random crashes on their 4g ipods. Mine is working very nicely... 15.10.50 # lostlogic: What does your metadata patch do with the metadata for the current track? Does it copy it to a static buffer? 15.11.12 # lostlogic: Forget that - I see the code now. 15.11.26 # lostlogic: if you think you can cope, i'm not really against you adding metadata on buffer for 3.0, but it's more or less entirely up to you to handle whatever bugs come our way 15.11.37 # linuxstb: I have cur_track and cur_id3 to facilitate 'clean' gapless transitions 15.12.29 # preglow: understood, I'll see how it goes, as I said, track transitions are completely effed so far, but at least I fixed id3 tags once I realized that the char*s in mp3entry all need offset adjustment when an mp3entry was moved about. 15.13.09 # lostlogic: i'd truly like to see good track transitions, that's fore sure 15.13.16 # for too 15.13.20 # :) 15.15.01 # lostlogic: I'm confused by this sentence on your SoftwareCodecPlayback page: "Some codecs seem to return an error if they are told that there's no more buffer by the playback code." 15.15.15 # How do you expect the codec to react? 15.15.32 # lostlogic, how can I check if I have those things turned on 15.15.33 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.15.33 Join shadou [0] (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 15.15.36 Quit BHSPitLappy2 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.16.04 # linuxstb: if it requests data and gets none, it should break its decoding loop, but not return error, so that it does a request next track, and can be restarted on the next track without having to reload the codec. 15.16.25 # sorry, must have pung out 15.16.47 # lostlogic, how can I check if I have eq, crossfeed, replaygain and peekmeter turned on? 15.16.49 # or go about turning them off 15.16.55 # shadou: you dj-fu? they are in the audio settings menu... and the peekmeter would show up on your WPS. 15.17.06 # yes, I'm dj-fu 15.17.09 # do all songsg gap? what codec? Anything else you are doing when the songs are droppign out? 15.17.24 # nothing at all, just randomly when it's in my pocket there's like a 1sec silence 15.17.29 # linuxstb: any thoughts on how to fix the libmad issue? 15.17.31 Nick shadou is now known as dj-fu (n=deejay@60-234-218-124.bitstream.orcon.net.nz) 15.17.39 # and um, mp3 15.17.59 # lostlogic: OK, that makes sense. So that applies to all errors - if there is a problem decoding the current track, the codec shouldn't return, but should instead break out of the decoding loop, and check for ci->request_next_track() ? 15.18.44 Join stoffel_ [0] (n=sfr@p50815B87.dip.t-dialin.net) 15.18.48 # preglow: Which issue is this? The padding bytes needed for the last frame? 15.18.59 # yea 15.20.01 # turned eq off, testing now 15.22.16 Join webguest67 [0] (n=d1168bfd@labb.contactor.se) 15.22.34 # hmm 15.22.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.22.55 # what are the stereo narrow/stereo wide options mentioned in the channel config part of the manual? 15.22.57 # is it outdated info? 15.23.35 Quit webguest67 (Client Quit) 15.25.07 # preglow: you remind me, always wondered one thing, is theoricly possible to make the sound option of archoses in software way? 15.25.19 # preglow: The simpliest solution may just be to make playback.c pad loaded mpeg files with the required number of zeros - as the bug reported suggested. But this doesn't feel clean - as it's a libmad-specific issue, so should be handled inside mpa.c 15.25.24 # I guess those things are natively hardware, right? 15.25.51 # Moos: i think they are now 15.25.53 # well, turning off Eq seems to have worked, ta lostlogic 15.25.59 # Moos: except mdb, which i also plan to support one day 15.26.16 # although I'd love to have an Eq and skipless playback, so hop to it aight 15.26.26 Join J1 [0] (n=personal@81-171-30-236.dsl.fiberworld.nl) 15.26.56 # preglow: I thought to MDB, loudness, super bass... for devices like iaudio (with no hardware support for basses) for exemple, that could be great 15.27.33 # I love the sound option of Ondios 15.27.43 # settings 15.27.47 # we'll get them 15.27.59 # * goffa_ yawns 15.28.09 # i've been experimenting with mdb lately 15.28.12 # preglow: great 15.28.13 # 7:30 am is too early to be at work .. at least for me today 15.28.14 # that is, something that at least resembles it 15.28.22 Join punkrockguy318 [0] (n=lukas@c-68-84-69-12.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 15.28.46 # found something interesting? 15.29.01 # this zazaney theme or w/ever is nice 15.29.08 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@87.193.18.88) 15.29.21 Quit stoffel (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.31.07 Quit JW (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.31.22 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 15.33.10 # linuxstb: what if we just tell libmad it's got a few more bytes than it actually gets when we pass it the last buffer? afaik, there's always some guard space at the end of the mp3 buffer, so we should be ok in just letting it read whatever garbage is there 15.34.24 # assuming it actually doesn't care if sees garbage, of course... 15.34.26 # I was wondering whether it can be random data, or whether it should be (e.g.) zeros. 15.34.27 # if it 15.34.30 # :) 15.34.43 # preglow: if it doesn't care what's there that should be fine 15.35.06 # But yes - if it doesn't care about the contents of those extra bytes, just always add that MAD guard value to "size" when decoding a frame. 15.35.07 # there's plenty of space that's 'read safe' at the end of the filebuf even after the official guard buf 15.35.27 # But even if it was not, there is always some kind of memory after the audio buffer. 15.35.47 # That's what you meant..... 15.35.50 # linuxstb: and yes, any error that the next_track: label will be able to recover from should not return 15.36.04 # Do you want me to start changing some codecs to do that? 15.36.05 # but yeah, we need to find out if it vomits if it sees garbage 15.36.07 # i'll have a look 15.36.31 # linuxstb: it would improve the user experience to do so. 15.36.49 # is there anywhere to set an ipod to sleep (i.e; not wait for the timeout) 15.37.00 # dj-fu: hold play to 'turn it off' 15.37.14 # oh 15.37.16 # gangsta 15.37.17 # ty man 15.37.23 # been heaps of help tonight ;) 15.37.24 # hahaha 15.37.37 # gangsta would be busting a cap in it 15.37.37 # lostlogic: For example, in flac.c, I think we just need to move the exit: label so that it is above the if(ci->request_next_track()) test. 15.37.40 # not pressing it gently 15.38.07 # lostlogic: Will the playback code be happy if a codec just aborts decoding a track in the middle? 15.38.16 # linuxstb: yes. 15.38.34 # linuxstb: the only place I'm concerned about just moving the exit label is codecs which have an exit condition _above_ the next_track label. 15.38.50 # For example? 15.39.38 # good to see such haxors working on a very well deserving project, rockbox kicks arse 15.39.41 # I swear I saw one when I was looking at this last time. 15.40.15 # hmm... maybe it's a much easier change than I thought. 15.40.26 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 15.41.48 # i donated 5 bucks to the cause 15.41.51 Nick carini is now known as carini[away] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 15.41.54 # cause i'm poor, it's all i had in my pp 15.42.47 Nick carini[away] is now known as carini (n=chatzill@pool-71-112-6-30.sttlwa.dsl-w.verizon.net) 15.42.51 # rockbox thanks you... although the swedes have been rather scarce lately :-P 15.43.43 Nick carini is now known as carini[away] (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 15.43.46 # * goffa_ thinks he scared the swedes off with his request :) 15.43.50 Nick carini[away] is now known as carini (n=chatzill@pdpc/supporter/active/carini) 15.44.25 # linuxstb: madplay seems to pad with zeroes :/ 15.44.55 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 15.45.28 # having a hard time convincing them it'd be a good idea 15.47.25 # /* check that a valid frame header follows this frame */ 15.47.35 # then i wonder how they can get away with padding with zeroes 15.47.49 # i guess paul is from philly, so i can't blame it on the swedes... and linus, maybe he was just trying to understand, but he didn't seem thrilled with the idea 15.48.13 Join DJ_Dooms_Day [0] (n=DJDD@220-245-186-182.static.tpgi.com.au) 15.48.22 # goffa_: what request+ 15.48.27 # Hiya, can anyone answer a quick question for me? 15.49.47 # anyone here? 15.49.56 # dj-fu: dont' ask to ask, just ask. 15.49.56 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.50.01 # er DJ_Dooms_Day 15.50.04 # Is there a text viewer on the rockbox 3xx builds yet? 15.50.13 # Yes, there always has been. 15.50.15 # yes 15.50.35 # Rock on, where can i find it? plugin browser? 15.50.55 # No, it's a "viewer" - you just "play" the text file in the file browser. 15.50.59 # preglow: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5106 15.51.30 # oh nifty. Any limitations? Ala does it have trouble loading large text files? 15.51.47 # to them it seems like it only saves 1-2 clicks... but adding songs is something i do often enough that that adds up... and accidentally hitting the nav button twice happens a lot too 15.52.14 # so to me loading a playlist happens quite often after that, and that's not just 1-2 clicks.. plus its annoying 15.53.24 # DJ_Dooms_Day: I don't know for sure, but I would be surprised if there were any limitations - that wouldn't be the Rockbox way. 15.53.36 # goffa_: can't you just stop playback, and select the file to play? 15.54.10 # well when you select a file, it queues all of the files in the dir.. and that erases your playlist 15.54.26 # so, while the first song is right, you have to reload your playlist afterwards 15.54.37 # man, people sure do use their players differently than I do. 15.54.39 # *nod8 15.55.14 # i'd like to just go into the browser, pick a file, and have it inserted before the next song 15.55.27 # would save a lot of clicking around when i acidentally bump the nav button twice 15.55.29 # thats what i would think linuxstb, but i just tryed it and made it freeze haha. I love unstable builds :P 15.55.29 # the ipod has both a right button and a select button 15.55.44 # right now these both do the same thing. One solution would be to make them to different things. 15.55.45 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-174-185.sd.sd.cox.net) 15.56.03 # then goffa_ could have his way and Paul/lostlogic/I could have our way 15.56.06 # oooh, Zeta as in BeOS? 15.56.13 # yeah 15.56.17 # Galois: that would help 15.56.18 # er, do different things 15.56.23 # DJ_Dooms_Day: If you can reliably crash Rockbox, then post a bug report. There shouldn't be any instability with the text viewer at the moment. 15.56.40 # i'd hope that the depress of the nav button would queue and play the file... 15.56.52 # but i still like the idea of making it user configurable 15.57.09 # well whats the NAV button do in the text viewer? 15.57.15 # I think goffa_'s usage pattern is ridiculous and there would be rioting on the streets if it were made default 15.57.45 # DJ_Dooms_Day: Check the manual: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginViewer 15.59.02 # also, doesn't party mode already change the player so that queue is the default? 16.01.09 # btw 16.01.15 # Galois: i think it would to 16.01.16 # we should also fix the fact that mp3 seeking breaks gapless 16.01.25 # preglow: why does it? 16.01.34 # that's why a toggle would be good 16.01.46 Nick J1 is now known as JW (n=personal@81-171-30-236.dsl.fiberworld.nl) 16.02.26 # lostlogic: because some time/sample tracking variables aren't calculated correctly, i guess 16.03.00 # i guess the fact that mp3 seek tables leave no room for knowing where you're really jumping doesn't help 16.03.04 # Isn't it impossible to calculate the sample tracking variable after a seek? 16.03.11 # yes, exactly 16.03.13 Quit DJ_Dooms_Day ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 16.03.21 # but still 16.03.22 # hmm 16.03.28 # So do we know how many PCM samples we need to drop at the end of the file? 16.03.33 # yes 16.03.37 # so that's a codec problem... because the playback code just gets the sample/time tracking from the codec's reports? 16.03.39 # but not how many are left 16.03.51 # So we would need to buffer them, and then drop them when the file is finished decoding... 16.03.51 # so we don't know when to start cutting 16.04.00 # yes... 16.04.07 # hmmm 16.04.09 # Galois: party mode queues files last 16.04.10 # Is there an upper limit? 16.04.15 # doesnt queue, then play 16.04.19 # linuxstb: yeah, well above a frame's worth 16.04.24 Quit dj-fu (Remote closed the connection) 16.04.25 # afaik 16.04.27 # in other words i don't want to lose current playlist 16.04.54 # if you hit the navi button twice that's what happens 16.05.24 # preglow: Are they decoded into IRAM at the moment? 16.06.12 # linuxstb: the frames? yes 16.06.37 # I always found it highly nonintuitive that play returns to WPS while select enters a new song 16.06.55 # I agre 16.06.56 # e 16.06.57 # if these two were switched, then the "hit the navi button twice" problem would go away 16.07.19 # select kind of sort of makes sense to enter a new song, but play makes a lot more sense 16.07.35 # also, it would be handy if pressing the menu button, whilst in the menu, returned you to the WPS 16.08.00 # menu does return to WPS from the menu, but not from the file browser 16.08.28 # not on mine 16.08.31 # it takes one step back 16.08.47 # eventually it returns, after it hits the root 16.08.51 # aye 16.08.57 # but it would be nice if it went straight back 16.09.21 # mikearthur, I see your point, there's already a perfectly good way to take one step back (left button) so menu should go back to WPS 16.09.22 # because stop and the menu button have the same function when in the menu 16.09.32 # Galois: play is fine... but erasing the playlist is ... odd 16.09.35 # to me anyway 16.09.38 # so yeh, left does it too 16.09.40 # or creating a new playlist 16.09.43 Join dpassen2 [0] (n=0c04dcd4@labb.contactor.se) 16.09.44 # depending on what you want to say 16.09.45 # preglow: Do you know how common it is for the number of samples to be dropped to be more than the length of the last frame? Why would an encoder add an entire frame which is not needed? 16.09.47 # so there are 3 ways to do the same function :s 16.09.59 # rockbox is good :) it got me to relearn C 16.10.26 # goffa_ I agree that erasing the playlist with two select presses is bad. It should at the very least take two presses of two different buttons to erase the playlist 16.10.43 Join herz42_ [0] (n=herz42@p549FE325.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.11.06 # that way there's no efficiency loss for people who want to play new songs, and a big gain for people prone to accidents 16.11.40 # who is "in charge" of the HCI of rockbox 16.12.18 # linuxstb: i don't know, but i thought exactly that about the skip amount at the start of a file as well, and i had to fix that to support more than one frame 16.12.59 # arghh 16.13.06 # mpa.c still crashes when changing tracks 16.13.09 # in a memset, of all things 16.13.13 # on amd64 sim, that is 16.14.36 # I can sort-of understand why the startup of the codec may need some extra frames (frames depend on the content of the bit reservoirs in earlier frames). But not the end. 16.14.40 # Galois: I agree 16.14.58 # linuxstb: still doesn't change the fact that higher numbers are allowed 16.15.06 # we might just not support that, of course 16.15.07 # but anyway 16.15.12 # Let's just drop mp3 support... 16.15.13 # can we detect if we're at the last frame? 16.15.17 Join infamis [0] (n=4b038a78@labb.contactor.se) 16.15.21 # kkurbjun just started doom since several weeks..its stunning fast :D 16.15.28 # linuxstb: no one will notice :P 16.15.49 # jehova! 16.16.18 # preglow: I think so - after we've decoded it, and libmad has told us how many bytes of compressed data were consumed. 16.16.29 # manana mi gente 16.17.08 # Galois: do you think it would be that much code to have a menu in general settings -> playback that would have default action for right and navi button? 16.17.13 # so you could set them however you want 16.17.31 # with one of the options being queue next and play 16.17.37 # or insert next and play 16.17.44 # that seems to be the biggest argument against 16.17.48 # yes, too much code. It should be a compile time option. But rockbox devs for some reason are violently opposed to compile time configuration 16.17.49 # is the amount of code 16.17.54 # must be that anti-linux blood running through them 16.18.04 # he he he 16.18.28 # Galois: Most of the devs use Linux on their desktops. We're just in favour of keeping things simple. 16.18.42 # seems to me like that would replace party mode too 16.18.59 # linuxstb: how will that differ? a partial frame will be just as big as a complete frame 16.18.59 # because you could set the action to queue last... OR queue next 16.19.47 # the patch was like 16k in the original non-working release 16.20.04 Quit brendan_ ("Leaving") 16.20.49 # preglow: What information does the lame header give us? Is it the number of samples to drop at the start and the end, or the total number of samples to drop at the start, and the total length? 16.21.51 # the original firmware for iaudio had a shuffle depth... like current dir, or entire playlist... rockbox doesn't work that way, and i don't see how that could be implemented 16.22.03 # other than changing default action for buttons 16.22.23 # linuxstb: samples to skip at start, and samples to skip at end 16.23.10 # Is that ci->id3->tail_trim ? 16.24.47 # wee :D crashed the sim.. 16.24.49 # yea 16.24.50 # * JdGordon41 kicks ass :D 16.27.02 # Hmm... button_status() doesn't work with the scroll wheel... 16.28.31 # punkrockguy318: No. Because the clickwheel events don't have press/release events. 16.29.20 # linuxstb: So i assume there's a bug in the sim.. scrolling works fine with button_status() in the simulator 16.29.51 # Yes - the sim shouldn't put the scroll events in button_status() 16.30.02 # alright.. i filed a bug earlier 16.30.14 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5162 if you want to comment 16.30.49 # but then the question is how to simulate a scroll wheel with discrete positions to touch... 16.31.13 # herz42_: i believe that's supported in the kernel, but needs to be added to the api 16.31.32 # ok, scrolling action could be simulated, but not the absolute position reading 16.31.54 # goffa_: luckily, as linuxstb said, rockbox makes it really simple to change this. If you swap TREE_RUN* and TREE_WPS* in apps/tree.h then the select and play behavior get swapped. I just did it for my own ipod. 16.31.57 # (I#m not sure if/which plugins make use of this) 16.32.01 # herz42_: Yes, that's going to be tricky. 16.32.01 # herz42_: i remember someone saying that positions were supported in the kernel 16.32.19 # I think I'm going to keep them swapped, it already feels easier to use than before 16.32.20 # punkrockguy318: It's not supported in CVS, but there's a patch on the patch tracker. 16.32.38 # linuxstb: oh alright.. rockboy would definitely make good use of that 16.33.38 # Galois: i'll have to look into that 16.33.40 # I'm sure something similar to that patch will be added to CVS - but I think most devs are concentrating on the 3.0 release. i.e. nothing ipod-specific. 16.33.44 # i'm not too sure how to compile 16.33.49 # but i'll do some research 16.33.53 # thanks for the tip 16.35.14 # has anybody started investigating serial communication on ipods yet? 16.35.30 # together with rockbox I mean 16.35.40 # herz42_: I don't think even the IPL people have investigated yet for the 4g and above. 16.36.16 # linuxstb: wasn't it supposed to be 'compatible' somehow? 16.36.27 # herz42_: What do you mean by "it" ? 16.36.50 Quit dpassen2 ("CGI:IRC") 16.36.52 # linuxstb: the serial protocol with its data format / cmd structure 16.37.09 # Yes, I think so. But there is no low-level serial port driver for the PP5020. Only the PP5002. 16.37.46 # ohh, then that might make things difficult :( 16.37.51 # Exactly... 16.39.09 # I was recently noticing, that audio playback doesn't work through the line out of the universal dock. So there seems to be some handshaking necessary... 16.39.19 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.39.45 # does the rockbox.iriverfile store all the settings? 16.39.53 # What is the "universal dock" ? It works with my "pocketdock" (or did, before I disassembled and destroyed it) 16.40.29 # linuxstb: thats the new dock from apple with optional remote control 16.40.41 # how do i go about figuring out why rb->set_option crashes?? it was working before and i havnt changed anything related (but merged a patch with the file, should be unreleated) 16.40.46 # my car addapter works fine also 16.42.04 Nick JdGordon41 is now known as JdGordon (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 16.42.26 Nick herz42_ is now known as herz42 (n=herz42@p549FE325.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.43.13 Join dpassen2 [0] (n=0c04dcd4@labb.contactor.se) 16.45.51 # to any devs: I wrote a nice little bash script which downloads the latest release for your specified model automatically 16.45.53 # anyone want it? 16.46.21 Join herz42_ [0] (n=herz42@p549FD930.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.47.06 Join waran [0] (n=g@p54AF7CAB.dip.t-dialin.net) 16.47.35 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 16.47.44 # "Fatal signal: seg fault (SDL parachute deployed) 16.47.44 # Xlib: unexpected async reply (sequence 0x59)!" 16.47.44 # is this likely to be a rockbox bug or sdl bug? i got it going into a rb->set_option() 16.48.11 # wich Platform do you use 16.48.13 # ? 16.48.26 # mikearthur: I think all the devs compile their own builds from CVS. 16.48.35 # linuxstb: cool, just wondering 16.48.42 # waran: h300 sim 16.49.03 # linuxstb: who is "in charge" of the rockbox user interface? 16.49.21 # waran: on linux 16.49.31 # iPodLinux? 16.49.47 # ahh 16.49.48 # no 16.49.59 # you got Linux - RockBox your Sim :) 16.50.40 # should be a hardware-problem 16.50.42 # mikearthur: No-one in particular is in charge of anything. 16.50.46 # async sounds like display for me 16.50.59 # because the UI could really, really do with some work 16.50.59 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-ff11611b0de754fd) 16.51.12 # its very unintuitive 16.51.29 # and with the iPod people now looking at RockBox, it's putting a lot of them off 16.52.02 # * waran is one of the iPod-People. But he likes OGG/Vorbis and is able to accept a horrible UI for that :P 16.52.05 # mikearthur: what problem are you having with the ui? 16.52.11 # I was saying earlier 16.52.21 # in the menu, three buttons perform the same function 16.52.34 # the UI is mostly reasonable. A few buttons could be switched around. 16.52.57 # Apple is the top seller of MP3 players because there UI is more than "reasonable" 16.53.20 # I'm not so sure anymore 16.53.32 # bah.. they sell a lot because they market a lot 16.53.34 # hovering over a song and pressing "Play", in the browser, does not play it 16.53.35 # mikearthur, ya - but the rest of the Firmware is shit :) 16.53.39 # UI has many different components 16.53.41 # waran: I'm sure it is 16.53.47 # hardware, input, display 16.53.57 # fine 16.53.58 # HCI 16.54.02 # the HCI is poor 16.54.03 # the ipod's hardware UI is excellent 16.54.21 Quit gtkspert (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.54.27 # display UI in rockbox is reasonable (I think), and input UI could be improved 16.54.30 # i'm going to try Galois's tip... that will make things 100% better for me if it works 16.54.37 # Galois, full_ack 16.54.51 # hopefully the file will play when i press play.. and not force me to requeue 16.54.53 # display UI is good 16.55.06 # input is very, very inintuitive 16.55.19 # I would say its possibly the worst of any MP3 player I've used 16.55.24 # it isn't _that_ bad 16.55.29 # mikearthur: I'm not saying Rockbox is perfect, but I also find the Apple firmware extremely frustrating and unintuitive. 16.55.49 # left doesn't work on apple 16.55.53 # I'm not suggesting we clone it 16.56.02 # I'm just saying bits and pieces need looked at 16.56.10 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 16.56.10 Join jbauman [0] (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.WV.CC.cmu.edu) 16.56.17 # would filing a bug be appropriate? 16.56.21 # For example, I like left/right to go up and down a menu structure. Apple uses the MENU key to go back, and not the key marked "back". 16.56.32 # The top-reasons why I use RockBox is the wide range of format-support and because the original FW has this stupid iTunes-Bondage. 16.56.54 # linuxstb: I'm with you there 16.56.54 # Yeah.. for me its file format too 16.57.19 # waran I'd rank the reasons as 1) format support, 2) being able to change shit and recompile, 3) USB mass storage simplicity 16.57.25 # but there's only one problem that i have.. that's been discussed extensively... no one agrees with me though :) well tboy does... but he's not a dev 16.57.57 # linuxstb: I think, a big annoyance for me, is the fact that there is no quick way of leaving the menu, when you are several functions deep 16.58.05 Quit qwm_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.58.31 # mikearthur: I think everyone agrees with that. That is currently hard to fix because of the design of the menu code, but I'm sure that will change. 16.58.50 # RockB is written in CPP, isn't it? - Maybe I should have a look on it... 16.59.11 # C 16.59.13 # not CPP 16.59.17 # No, it's plain C, with some low-level and performance-critical parts written in asm. 16.59.23 # grr 16.59.26 # panic :) 16.59.30 # But all the UI stuff will be C. 16.59.33 # linuxstb: I'm glad people agree 16.59.54 # how much of the input UI is client-based? 17.00.02 # mikearthur: Another issue is that Rockbox's menus are really "pop-up menus". But the UI doesn't tell the user this. Again, there are plans to change this. 17.00.03 # by client I mean player 17.00.19 # how do you mean pop-up menus? 17.00.27 # ok, should i be worried if rb->set_option crashes n the sim but works fine on the player? 17.00.40 # I mean that you start in the file browser, enter the menu, and then when you leave the menu you go back to the file browser. 17.00.52 # In the Apple firmware, everything starts from the menu. 17.01.44 # So you go file browser -> menu -> file browser. Or file browser -> WPS -> file browser. Or file browser -> WPS -> MENU -> WPS -> file browser. 17.02.02 # oh also 17.02.07 # and I was thinking of coding this myself 17.02.37 # how hard would it be to make the player, when you have it set to start playing a song on startup, to have the file browser start i that songs directory 17.02.40 # btw: Build a nice iPod-USB-PowerSupply today http://xs77.xs.to/pics/06161/nerz.jpg :) 17.02.46 # JdGordon: Yes, it's probably accessing memory it shouldn't be - which you might not notice on the player. Have you tried running the sim with gdb? 17.03.04 # mikearthur: There's already an option for that - "follow playlist". 17.03.06 # hmm.. pill try 17.03.13 # im not sure if i have gdb installed 17.03.21 # linuxstb: that doesn't work on startup I'm 99% sure 17.03.23 # I'll try it now 17.03.25 Quit herz42 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.03.53 # mikearthur: If it doesn't then I would probably call it a bug. 17.05.07 # what does the rockbox.iriver file do? 17.05.27 # That's the main Rockbox binary. 17.05.38 # oh ok 17.05.43 # I always assumed it stored the settings 17.05.51 # kkurbjun: are you around? 17.05.56 # where are the settings store? 17.05.58 # d 17.06.11 # In an unused sector on the disk before the first partition. 17.06.35 # because whenever I upgrade my rockbox, I lost all my settings 17.07.02 # That should only happen sometimes - when a change to Rockbox causes the settings structure to become out of date. 17.07.16 # ok 17.07.25 # so that isn't considered a "bug" 17.07.53 # mikearthur: it's wise to save the settings to a cfg file. That can be loaded after the update 17.07.55 # Not unless it happens when it shouldn't 17.08.01 # herz42_: ah ok 17.09.31 # is there any way that i can print debugging output in a plugin? so i could read it in the sim 17.10.00 # mikearthur: there used to be a bug where unplugging the ipod with the hold switch on would reset your settings 17.10.07 Quit JW (Connection timed out) 17.10.37 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 17.10.55 Part XavierGr 17.12.38 # Galois: That's a feature... 17.12.47 # (but possibly not a good one) 17.13.07 # it heavily violates the principle of least surprise 17.14.00 # It's there as a safety measure. We can't use other keypresses at that time, because the button driver doesn't detect keypresses pressed before Rockbox starts. 17.14.37 # the number of people likely to make positive use of that feature is far fewer than the number of people who will get bitten 17.14.55 # Galois: So are you suggesting that feature should be removed? 17.14.59 # hell yes 17.15.20 # Then how would you recover your ipod when the settings cause you problems? 17.15.38 # do a check after rb loads?? 17.15.42 # so.. where do i get sh_elf_gcc also.. do i need to switch TREE_RUN_PRE to TREE_WPS_PRE? 17.15.54 # linuxstb: i'm having a problem... i'm trying to hack doom to read scrollwheel input... but it's not working out... since the clickwheel can't be used with button_status(), the loop would need button_get(). but the doom engine needs the status of the buttons, so button_get() wouldn't work... :-\ 17.15.55 # rockbox should be Bug-Free (tm) to the point where settings should not cause irrecoverable problems 17.15.56 # :P 17.16.07 # Galois: What if you choose a language that you don't understand? 17.16.25 # how does apple solve this problem? 17.16.28 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.16.40 Part biffhero 17.17.02 # Galois: You probably have to run their "ipod restore" application which wipes your music. 17.17.18 # I suggest that permanently changing the language setting should take nontrivial active effort, like in KDE/GNOME/whatever 17.17.29 # linuxstb: i was talking with kkurbjun and he said that i should talk to you 17.17.53 Part waran (" ") 17.18.06 # You've summarised the problem, and found the solution - you'll need to use button_get(). So I'm passing you back to kkurbjan :) 17.19.10 # linuxstb: button_get is just an event queue.. it returns an int with a bit of a button that's being pressed... correct? 17.20.14 # Yes 17.20.55 # linuxstb: hmm, there's the problem... the doom engines requires keyup and keydown events :-\ 17.21.11 # Galois: The language is just one example. Because Rockbox for the ipod is still in the early stages, you can't dismiss the fact that bugs will happen - hence the need for the settings safety-net. 17.22.02 # I can think of other ways to provide a safety net. Maybe the presence of a file would trigger it, similar to /forcefsck in linux 17.22.15 # Galois: But what if the problem happens on the road? 17.22.40 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.22.46 # Galois: i would suggest a button rather than hold.. because it resets when you take it off the charger, and a lot of times, it's on hodl 17.22.48 # again, looking at the costs and benefits, I can't see that scenario outweighing what I believe is the huge cost of people constantly losing settings 17.23.10 # But if people don't read the documentation... 17.23.23 # then they're not likely to find out about the hold switch either 17.23.27 # except accidentally 17.23.35 # which is not desirable 17.24.08 # a lot of times people leave the hold switch in the on position while the thing is turned off, to make sure the device stays off. It's really easy to then connect the cable in that state. 17.24.31 # Galois: amen... i would be happier with fast forward being the clear config 17.24.45 # punkrockguy318: I've already said that that isn't possible. 17.25.01 # linuxstb: oh, i missed that.. hmm 17.25.32 # people screwing up their configs while on the road is a corner case that doesn't merit the pain of lots of unwanted settings resets 17.25.50 # also, I dunno about you, but my laptop is with me at all times on the road 17.26.36 # linuxstb: why isn't the clickwheel used in button_status()? could it be written to include the clickwheel? 17.26.36 # Rockbox is still unreleased software for the ipod - and in that context, I'm happy with the hold behaviour. It will be different when the first official release happens. 17.27.03 # awesome 17.27.26 # what do i need to download to get sh-elf-gcc? 17.27.39 # goffa_ I thought you had an ipod 17.27.44 # no.. x5 17.27.45 # punkrockguy318: Because the concept of scroll events is different to the concept of buttons. A scroll event doesn't have a beginning and an end. 17.27.48 Join JonSenior [0] (n=51f964d5@labb.contactor.se) 17.27.52 # linuxstb: random dev question: is the bootloader USB mode any faster/more battery efficient than the in-Rockbox one 17.27.55 # actually x5l 17.28.06 # oh. well, there's a wiki page that explains how to build sh-elf-gcc, or you can download the 140MB vmware image 17.28.09 # but thats not really different than x5 from a compiling standpoint 17.28.51 # is there any way to use button_get() and ignore all events except for scrolling? or are any clickwheel specific functions? 17.29.05 # hmm... looking for the wiki.. not seeing it.. 17.29.08 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/VMwareDevelopmentPlatform 17.29.18 # mikearthur: It shouldn't be any different in terms of speed, but maybe battery consumption will be different - depending on things like CPU speed, and how much of the hardware has been powered up. 17.29.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 17.29.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 17.29.39 # pick one :P 17.29.44 # goffa_: For the X5, you want m68k-elf-gcc 17.29.59 # sh-elf-gcc is for the Archos devices. 17.30.17 # linuxstb: well thanks for all your help! :) i'm going to go do some hacking 17.30.48 Join wonderwal [0] (n=k0@205.177.72.66) 17.31.43 # ok 17.32.48 # punkrockguy318: I believe its pronounced "haxoring" 17.32.52 Quit JonSenior ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 17.33.27 # is this what i want? 17.33.29 # http://www.rockbox.org/cygwin/release/m68k-elf-gcc/ 17.34.03 # you need cygwin in order to use that 17.34.10 # that's what i thought 17.34.43 # does the iRiver have a RTC? 17.34.54 Join Tobu [0] (n=g2p@nea78-1-82-242-101-49.fbx.proxad.net) 17.35.35 Join obo_ [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.stb.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.35.53 # I've been hacking on the dircache 17.36.04 # I'd like to make it use filetypes 17.36.14 # But dircache is in firmware, 17.36.22 # and filetypes is in apps. 17.36.40 # Is there a solution? 17.37.24 # ugh... i must be blind 17.37.46 # mikearthur: The H3x0 does, the H1x0 doesn't. 17.38.06 # linuxstb: thanks 17.38.17 # Tobu: What do you mean by "use filetypes" ? 17.38.20 Quit bananafon (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.38.41 # I'd like to cache which dirs contain music below them 17.38.53 Quit bancus ("leaving") 17.38.55 # It's in filetypes.h, or tree.h 17.39.37 # dircache is ideal, because it recurses through everything at startup 17.42.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/cygwin/release/m68k-elf-gcc/ how do i modify this to find the linux m68k-elf-gcc? 17.42.16 # Idea: If I make dircache_init take a pointer to the functions I need in filetypes, will it work? 17.43.10 # modify the url i mean 17.43.29 # would a developer take a donation of an iRiver H10? 17.43.40 # (under the pretense that they add support for it) 17.44.41 # h10 isn't supported yet? isn't it like ipod? 17.44.59 # goffa_, if you use linux, the correct instructions to follow are http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CrossCompiler 17.45.09 Join JonSenior [0] (n=51f90dbe@labb.contactor.se) 17.46.11 # thanks Galois 17.46.13 # last i read, H10 is not supported 17.46.19 # some discussion began but was not continued 17.46.32 # Having been using a mid-feb build of RB for a while, I recently upgraded to the latest version. This appears to have resulted in a change of battery reporting. 17.47.01 # On more than one occasion I have had RB report an empty battery, yet upon a reboot, it merrily claims a much higher level. 17.47.10 # linuxstb: I mean, it's a linkage issue. 17.47.39 # But I'll try to passing function pointer, and see if that works. 17.47.45 # Is this a likely sign of immenent battery failure (< 1 yr old) or just RB being a little unsure? 17.48.20 # ravon: figured out why dumb produces an empty .rock yet..? 17.48.28 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.48.28 # * HCl will bbs 17.48.54 # Tobu: If I was you, I would try and think of a different solution to your problem. My understanding is that dircache is something that works at the filesystem level - so making it dependent on the application code feels dirty. 17.49.59 # JonSenior: Which device are you using Rockbox on? 17.50.33 # Yeah, but the dircache seems the less intrusive place I can do it. 17.50.47 # There's the startup recursion, 17.50.50 # Tobu: What problem are you trying to solve? 17.50.58 # and the fact it's hooked in moves. 17.51.08 # JonSenior: battery reporting was listed as being so-so feature 17.51.09 # I'm trying to filter out files: 17.51.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5160 17.51.48 # and hide directories that don't have music below them 17.52.11 # What about other supported filetypes - such as Gameboy ROMs, text files, jpegs, .... 17.52.32 # I'm making it dependent on the filter setting 17.52.36 # in the quick menu 17.52.58 # to show: any files, supported files, music, playlists 17.53.00 # Then it shouldn't be part of dircache - that would mean rescanning the disk whenever that settings was changed. 17.53.08 # Nonono 17.53.30 # It doesn't cache the contents 17.53.33 # I was aware of issues with predicted life, but I didn't realise that they ran over into reported voltage readings (And thus actually battery status). It just struck me as strange that they appeared to have changed for the worse while everything else is getting better. Ah well. 17.53.49 # It just stores a marker to be read by the filter 17.54.10 # the marker has as many states as the filter: any, supported, etc 17.54.31 # How would it work if the user isn't using dircache? 17.54.39 # It wouldn't 17.54.47 # It couldn't be fast enough 17.54.58 # recursion would hurt 17.55.25 # Why don't you just organise all of your wanted content inside a top-level "music" folder? 17.55.46 # Or put all unwanted content under something like "data". 17.56.00 # indeed 17.56.43 # The iAudio firmware does the filtering, and I prefer it that way 17.57.03 # JonSenior: You haven't said which player you are using Rockbox on. 17.57.57 # HCl: Nope, haven't checked it out yet. 17.58.01 # k 17.58.11 # Does it link against the dumb-lib? 17.58.22 # dunno 17.58.36 # * HCl is treating cat bites while he was debugging his cat 17.58.45 # linuxstb: Sorry H300. I did say that once, but only after the web client had logged me out! 17.58.47 # Tobu: It just seems to me to be a complex feature to implement, making dircache even more complex, and that it can be solved by simply organising your folders appropriately. 17.58.48 # :D 18.00.34 # So, I'll have to prove it's not _that_ complex :) 18.01.02 # \me goes back to code 18.01.03 # Yes :). And also take care of the cases where the user creates or moves files around the directory hierarchy from within Rockbox itself. 18.01.04 Quit jnc (Remote closed the connection) 18.01.37 # I'll just use the hooks in dircache. 18.02.12 # If you have questions about dircache, Slasheri will be the person to ask - he wrote it. 18.03.01 # Thanks 18.03.56 # is anyone here familiar with the doom code? 18.05.16 Join powers [0] (n=gentoo@ppp95-191.adsl.forthnet.gr) 18.05.22 # hi 18.05.26 # anyone here? 18.05.30 # hello :) 18.05.58 # hi.. i'm having some problems with rockbox and i really need some help 18.06.24 # i'm using rockbox on an ipod nano and all of my songs dissapeared.. 18.06.48 # i was listening to a song and the damn thing jammed 18.07.19 # and then i rebooted and it just have the directories but not any of the songs.. 18.09.01 # has anyone got any idea? 18.11.03 # powers: you might try plugging it into your computer and seeing if the FAT is corrupted, or if the computer sees the songs. 18.11.35 # the computer sees the songs just fine 18.12.01 # any other ideas? 18.12.04 # powers: Where are the files? Are they inside the iPod_Control folder? 18.12.31 # no 18.12.38 # time to chkdsk/fsck it 18.12.46 # pardon?? 18.12.50 # Were you using tagcache? 18.13.28 # sorry, i don't know what u're talkin' about 18.13.42 # Then you weren't using it :) 18.13.54 # the FAT may be corrupted from bad removals, or something, so I recommend running windows chkdsk on it 18.14.04 # hold on 18.14.13 # i've just made some directories 18.14.16 # on the root 18.14.41 # h:\music\apleetree.mp3 18.14.53 # How do you normally disconnect your ipod from your computer? Do you just unplug it? 18.14.58 # no 18.15.08 # i'm using the usb thingo 18.15.17 # safe removal 18.15.59 # what is tagcache? 18.16.03 # OK. The only other thing I would suggest (apart from running chkdsk) is to reset your settings in Rockbox - turn the hold switch on as your ipod is booting. 18.16.21 # It's Rockbox's tag database that lets you browse your music by artist/genre etc. 18.16.37 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 18.16.53 # just a sec 18.17.00 # to check the filesystem: when connected, right-click the drive (H:), properties -> Tools -> errorchecking 18.17.34 # if i'll do the reset thing that you're talkin about , will that erase my directories and change the backgrounds and such? 18.18.00 # first export your settings to a cfg file 18.18.29 # 'manage settings' in the menu 18.20.02 Quit JonSenior ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 18.20.53 # petur 18.20.59 # how can i do that? 18.21.09 # write .cfg file? 18.21.12 Nick obo_ is now known as obo (n=obo@82-46-82-224.stb.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.21.48 # go to the menu, select manage settings -> write cfg 18.22.14 # ok i'm there 18.22.22 # which button next? 18.22.40 # linuxstb? what ipod button? 18.22.57 Quit lee-qid_ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 18.23.15 # it's allredy have a configuration file there 18.23.41 # l 18.23.48 # .rockbox/config01.cfg 18.24.52 # gamw tin poutana mou 18.25.55 # one moment... 18.26.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#Text_Entry 18.26.27 # Press and hold the SELECT (centre) button. 18.26.33 # Galois: you still here? 18.26.51 # i just need to copy that rockbox.iaudio file over, rightL 18.26.56 # er right? 18.27.28 # thanx linux 18.27.32 # and i can slap it in the .rockbox folder and theoretically things will run fine? 18.27.33 # and something else 18.27.44 # goffa_: Are you trying to install a version of Rockbox you've compiled yourself? 18.28.03 # yeah 18.28.13 # or think i've compiled correctly i should say now 18.28.25 # The standard way is to type "make zip" - this creates a rockbox.zip file - and then unzip that file onto your device. 18.28.38 # ok... 18.29.13 # sometimes when i'm disconnecting my ipod it turns off and it shows an empty battery icon.. why is this? 18.29.16 Join Aviv [0] (n=e@84.94.108.172.cable.012.net.il) 18.29.20 # ah.. i see it 18.29.25 # my battery is full :P 18.29.27 # i'll have to copy that at lunch time 18.29.34 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.30.24 # powers: Why do you think the battery is full? That will be the Apple bootloader thinking the battery is empty. 18.30.26 Join bluebrother [0] (n=dom@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 18.30.44 # is anyone else running nano in here? 18.31.04 # the batterry is full charged 18.32.24 # stupid rockbox 18.32.27 # But what is telling you the battery is fully charged? 18.32.36 # That full-screen battery icon is displayed by the Apple bootloader - so there's nothing Rockbox can do about it. 18.33.40 # i dunno 18.34.03 # is there any other release of rockbox or another thing like it? 18.34.35 # it starts to become really frustrating 18.34.36 Join _Lucretia [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-62-56-34-196.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 18.34.41 # There are new versions of Rockbox every few hours. 18.35.22 # thanx lin 18.35.42 # If you are disconnecting your ipod from your computer, and the Apple bootloader is displaying the battery empty symbol, then the battery is empty. It's completely independent of Rockbox. 18.36.04 # ok 18.36.07 # Maybe your USB port isn't supplying power. 18.36.19 # nah 18.36.27 # don't think so 18.36.38 # it's a firmware crap issue 18.37.09 # i'm using the same port when i want to charge my mobile 18.37.20 # it must be something else 18.38.03 Quit marevalo ("Abandonando") 18.38.38 # When you plug it in, can you see the battery icon in the top-right corner? Is that showing the charging animation? 18.43.30 Quit dpassen2 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.46.57 # mmm.. 18.47.58 # yes 18.48.05 # it's charging just fine 18.48.42 # hm.. 18.48.47 # this is interesting 18.48.56 # i don't know if it's a problem 18.48.58 # but 18.49.16 # i think it has to do with the configuration file 18.50.07 # is there any problem if i make the main .rockbox folder hidden? 18.50.17 # but not the files inside it 18.50.25 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@port-213-61-192-16.fra.dial.de.colt.net) 18.52.17 Join yishunguy [0] (n=brick@cm248.sigma185.maxonline.com.sg) 18.52.36 # No, you can make the folder hidden if you wish. But files starting with a . are already hidden inside Rockbox, unless you select the "show all" option. 18.54.42 # punkrockguy318: Are you checking for BUTTON_REPEAT events with the clickwheel? I haven't looked at your patch, and am leaving now for a short time. 18.55.19 # * lostlogic reverts metadata on buffer to work on other stuff for today. 18.55.41 # how can i put some songs to my original apple firmware? can i put then in my itunes foldeR? 18.55.46 # linuxstb: no.. what's BUTTON_REPEAT? 18.57.04 # hmmm 18.57.24 # who here can tell me why objcopy would make an empty .rock for the dumb plugin? 18.57.27 # amiconn: ? 18.57.42 # bluebrother: Thanks ;-) 18.57.46 # we really need some technical documentation to how things are put together.. 18.58.56 # standard! 18.59.20 # linuxstb: nevermind, i looked at the jewels source and figured it out.. thanks i'll check it out ;) 18.59.25 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 18.59.30 # RedBreva: :) 18.59.32 # stupid m@th@f@cker steve jobs 18.59.58 # RedBreva: but you could do me a favor and generate patches from outside the manual directory. 19.00.20 # That way I don't need to cd before applying 19.00.26 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 19.00.40 Join gantrixx [0] (n=gantry@ip24-251-36-103.ph.ph.cox.net) 19.00.54 # has anyone had an experience with the viliv? 19.01.04 # how can i put some songs to my original apple firmware? can i put then in my itunes foldeR? 19.01.05 # unfortunately my free time is a bit more limited atm so I'm kind of lagging more 19.01.05 # punkrockguy318: I think you just need if (button & DOOMBUTTON_LEFT), instead of if (button == DOOMBUTTON_LEFT) 19.01.12 # how can i put some songs to my original apple firmware? can i put then in my itunes foldeR? 19.01.36 # powers: You need to use itunes (or a third-party equivalent app) 19.02.09 # i changed it to switch(button) and case DOOMBUTTON_LEFT | BUTTON_REPEAT: case DOOMBUTTON_LEFT 19.03.45 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (i=steve-o@adsl-64-123-190-153.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 19.04.38 # i hate greece 19.04.40 # lol 19.09.11 # is there any way to burn the radio stations instantly? 19.09.26 # * HCl screams at rockbox makefiles 19.09.42 # where does it remove ELFS for plugins e-e 19.10.01 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.10.08 Quit powers () 19.13.22 Join godzirra [0] (n=na@c-24-125-58-133.hsd1.va.comcast.net) 19.13.27 # Howdy folks. 19.13.38 # Out of curiousity, is browse plugin->doom supposed to crash my ipod? :) 19.14.53 # browse? 19.15.14 # "browse plugins" 19.15.25 # oh 19.15.29 # what ipod do you have? 19.15.31 # 5g 19.17.28 # HCl: If you want to post a patch, I'll be happy to have a quick look. 19.17.36 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 19.17.44 # linuxstb_: i have one on my ftp 19.17.46 # godzirra: hmm 19.17.49 # ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/dumb.diff 19.17.57 # HCl: I think someone said that was missing dumb.c 19.18.01 # should work, if you have problems with it, yell, i'm not too experienced with 19.18.02 # aha. 19.18.04 # *nods* 19.18.06 # i'll add that >> 19.18.14 # or just tell me how to tell diff to include that >> 19.18.23 # Just upload it separately. 19.18.39 # done 19.18.44 # ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/dumb.c 19.18.59 # it compiles cleanly and so 19.19.04 # well, with warnings, but it compiles 19.19.21 # but the .rock that gets out of it is empty 19.19.56 # the .o seems fine, or at least, seems to contain data 19.19.59 # so does the .elf 19.21.01 # grr.. galios's idea didn't seem to work for me.. i did learn how to compile rockbox though 19.22.24 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 19.22.33 Quit _Lucretia (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.22.40 # HCl: Your plugin is missing the PLUGIN_HEADER macro at the top. 19.22.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.22.58 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-62-56-62-217.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 19.23.08 # doh. 19.23.10 # thanks. 19.24.02 # now this'll get interesting 19.24.07 # this is supposed to play tracker music :o 19.24.11 # hahaha 19.24.16 # let's see, now 19.24.27 # now it won't compile with that header added >> 19.25.11 # nm >> 19.26.14 # bluebrother: Sure, I had simply been using the facility in Kate to generate the diff - at least that does the white space stuff correctly ;-) 19.26.52 # ah - I haven't used kate for diffing. But nice to know it can do this ... 19.27.27 # -rwxr-xr-x 1 hcl hcl 206100 Apr 17 19:26 apps/plugins/dumb.rock 19.27.28 # :D 19.27.35 # mm 19.27.37 # where is my iriver 19.27.53 # crud.. x_x 19.28.07 # preglow: I'm rather confused. How is button_status() different from button_get(false)? I just need someone to clarify for me 19.28.30 # punkrockguy318: no idea 19.28.42 # button_status() returns an integer where the bits represent which buttons are currently pressed. 19.28.58 # button_get() gets the press/release/scroll events. 19.29.16 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 19.29.18 # ... and repeat events 19.29.28 # how do the bits differ? 19.29.38 Join jbauman [0] (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.WV.CC.cmu.edu) 19.29.51 # when you get something from button_get(), doesn't it also return all the buttons being pressed? 19.30.01 # No 19.30.11 # It returns the next event in the queue. 19.30.12 # HCl: osnap! You solved it? 19.30.18 # yea. 19.30.18 # This VMware application should carry a health warning... I havn't been out of Linux for three days, except to check e-mail... hmmm Thunderbird is now installed, where can I find the correct settings for my ISP? ;-) 19.30.21 # You beast. 19.30.21 # well 19.30.24 # linuxstb_ did 19.30.29 # i just did what he told me to 19.30.30 # xD 19.30.31 # linuxstb is the beast then 19.30.40 # RedBreva: but that would have to be a "good health" warning. :) 19.30.41 # what player do you have? 19.30.45 # iAudio X5 19.30.45 # i'm afraid my iriver is out of battery 19.30.50 # and my charger is 160km away 19.30.50 # e-e 19.30.57 # I can compile a version if you supply the patch :) 19.30.58 # linuxstb_: so if i press left and right, a LEFT | RIGHT would be sent to the queue? (theoretically) 19.31.05 # oh, sure 19.31.09 # it's just an adaption to the .c 19.31.36 # What did you change 19.31.38 # ? 19.31.38 # there, download ftp://titania.student.utwente.nl/dumb.c 19.31.41 # oki 19.31.48 # needed PLUGIN_HEADER macro 19.32.24 # and i removed the TEST_PLUGIN_API thing 19.32.35 # linuxstb i'm havning a problem now.. scroll/turn works, but you can't scroll while you are holding a button in 19.32.56 # when does the feature freeze end? may something? 19.33.35 # release is scheduled for May 1st IIRC. 19.33.40 # k 19.33.53 # punkrockguy318: Maybe that's a hardware limitation. If you are pressing one of the four buttons on the wheel, you are also touching the wheel... 19.34.42 # linuxstb_ that's what i was thinking as well.. but I constantly second guess myself when i'm dealing with an unfamiliar api 19.34.46 # linuxstb_: thanks :) 19.34.58 # how odd... I get a "stutter" when I switch between songs on a playlist... 19.35.11 # i'm not sure if its a problem with my 5g or something in rockbox...? Anyone have clues? 19.36.21 # linuxstb_: perhaps turning with the scroll wheel won't work.. maybe strafing with the wheel would be a better idea 19.36.22 Join fareed [0] (i=Farid@83.233.110.3) 19.38.16 # I still cant even get it to load. 19.38.22 # it freezes my ipod every time. 19.40.54 # What do you mean by "it" ? 19.41.31 # Doom. 19.41.31 # Sorry. 19.42.10 # godzirra: are you running the latest rockbox? 19.44.15 # HCl: I get a "Plugin returned error" 19.44.48 # oh wait. When I try to open the file in the browser I get "Dumb loading..", then nothing 19.45.59 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.46.06 Join Myth1 [0] (n=Muesli24@pD95FF5E6.dip.t-dialin.net) 19.46.22 # hm... 19.46.29 # ugh. 19.46.34 # i left all my iriver cabling at my parents >< 19.46.45 # even my usb cable :| 19.47.12 # Something is fishy though. Gonna investigate this more 19.48.10 # i can't test at all :| 19.49.21 Quit Gena (Remote closed the connection) 19.49.33 Join inteliwasp [0] (n=inteliwa@rrcs-24-123-32-1.central.biz.rr.com) 19.49.37 Join jesper [0] (n=jesper@c-b3df70d5.029-6-67626710.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 19.50.44 # hey boxers 19.51.11 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 19.52.29 # anyone know what harddisk the iAudio X5L has? 19.53.07 # punkrockguy318: upgraded this morning. 19.53.18 # So yup. 19.54.10 # godzirra: does rockboy work for you? 19.55.44 Quit Nibbler (Remote closed the connection) 19.56.49 Join Nibbler [0] (n=sven@port-212-202-77-111.dynamic.qsc.de) 19.57.47 # damn, I'm not sure if I should go for the iAudio X5L :) 19.58.29 # paranoid about harddisc players, if they're fragile 19.58.52 Join unknownkind [0] (i=pinchas@216-145-235-214.rev.dls.net) 19.58.54 # hey 19.59.12 # anyone fix the the rockboy keys? 19.59.34 Join Gargamale [0] (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 19.59.59 # Allo, frinds 20.00.02 # friends, too 20.00.07 # heya 20.00.36 # Girls need to not be so hot 20.00.44 # Random, sorry 20.01.07 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.02.44 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.03.28 # jesper: i've used had my ihp140 for at least 2 years now, it fell several times, did a bad block scan the other day, drive is still fine 20.03.45 # mine h120 broke 20.04.01 # how so? 20.04.16 # first it told me "check hdd" and the hdd needed to be pushed really hard to the player for it to work 20.04.27 # then i drop the hd and now its busted 20.04.28 # ok 20.04.54 # anyone know a place where to send h120 to repair? 20.05.00 # the warranty is over 20.05.17 # The bin? 20.05.34 # I will get if fixed. 20.05.41 # its the best mp3 player there is :) 20.05.44 # hehe 20.05.50 Quit unknownkind () 20.05.57 # I hate it when shit breaks 20.06.00 # So annoying 20.06.03 # maybe I just send it to the iriver and get it fixed 20.06.03 # I'm reading up on the hardware infos.. seems like it's a Toshiba disc in the X5 that shouldn't be hard to replace.. What's in the X5L i dunno 20.06.23 # and pay 20.06.27 # Gargamale: eat more fruit and dark bread 20.06.29 # jesper: X5L is the same as X5 except battery 20.06.34 Join jnc [0] (n=erisha@c-71-57-125-137.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 20.06.52 # fareed: Nice pun 20.06.57 # dpassen1: ok, so a X5-30GB has the same disc as a X5L-30GB ? 20.07.03 Join pataswing [0] (n=knoppix@FR-CHA-C4-01-06-087231022162.chello.fr) 20.07.10 # As far as i know 20.07.11 # Gargamale: I do my best. ;) 20.07.51 # hi 20.07.56 # but hey, gargamle is quite nice as well. 20.08.19 # its like using Hotmale as an email service. 20.08.42 # I was wandering : I heard one of rockbox's feature is ReplayGain ... is it available for the port on Iaudio X5s ? 20.08.43 Join nle [0] (n=nle`@26.80-202-208.nextgentel.com) 20.09.08 # hello 20.09.10 # Hi, ive just got the MBR of the iPod 4g 20GB, where do I mail/send the file? 20.09.12 # pataswing: Of course, its a port. 20.09.23 # ok thanks 20.10.01 # nle: what??? 20.10.17 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.10.19 # Rockbox is missing some MBR/Partitontable info for some ipods 20.10.29 # replaygain? As in start replay where I was before turned off? 20.10.45 # and I got one of the missing mbr's 20.10.57 # jesper: http://replaygain.hydrogenaudio.org/ 20.12.04 # aah 20.13.44 # ravon: any luck investigating? 20.17.12 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.17.45 Join JW [0] (n=personal@81-171-30-236.dsl.fiberworld.nl) 20.18.04 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 20.18.07 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.18.30 # I've got two questions 20.18.50 # but I forgot them... 20.19.06 # oh, they're back 20.19.09 # lol 20.19.10 # 1: 20.19.29 # i was wondering, i was running rockbox and went into the doom plugin on my 5g ipod and it has this game menu, right? 20.19.31 # can I build a bootloader upon old iriver-bootloader files? 20.20.00 # I want to use version 1.60 20.20.54 # JW: building your own bootloader risks bricking your player 20.21.03 # yishunguy, yes, there's an ingame menu and a startup menu.. what's your question? 20.21.11 # petur: but there is no alternative?! 20.21.32 # what's wrong with the bootloader? 20.21.47 # i downloaded rockdoom.wad and the shareware doom1.wad and placed them into my ipod; in the folder, games\doom, so i see base game and shareware doom when i'm in the game menu 20.21.47 Join Gargamal1 [0] (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 20.22.22 # the menu where you select what game of doom u wanna play 20.22.31 # JW: Do you mean use v1.60 of the iriver firmware with the Rockbox bootloader? 20.22.45 # linuxstb: yes 20.23.05 # problem is, i can't select anything... and when i select play game, it just keeps running the demo... 20.23.06 # JW: It might work, but you will probably be the first person to test it. If it doesn't work, your player might be bricked. 20.23.50 # Why do you want to use that specific version of the iriver fw? 20.23.51 # than I definitly won't do it 20.24.19 # yishunguy, I think you have to toggle hold in the game to get to the ingame menu on the ipods 20.24.20 # because I thought it would be fun to be the only one with the old iHP logo :-P 20.25.02 # kkurbjun: Yes. 20.25.41 # iriver changed it to H100 because of a conflict with HP 20.25.50 # it was iHP100 20.25.55 # nevermind, i just had to select a new game from the ingame menu... and the ipod is laggy with rockbox... so i thought i couldn't play doom... :-) thank you anyway... 20.26.44 Quit nle ("Get MacIrssi - http://www.g1m0.se/macirssi/") 20.27.09 # oh, so now my second question. 20.27.11 # 2: 20.27.26 # compiling rb I saw the option to compile a bootloader. 20.27.37 # What is the difference in result with downloading one? 20.27.58 # The one you download has been tested and confirmed to be working. The one you build yourself may not work. 20.28.39 # holding menu on ipod doesn't move to ipod on april 16'th rockbox 20.28.44 # it just boots rockbox. 20.28.47 # later. 20.29.07 Quit pabs (Remote closed the connection) 20.29.11 Join pabs [0] (n=pabs@ip68-100-248-22.dc.dc.cox.net) 20.29.32 # JW: Changes are made almost every day to parts of Rockbox which are also used in the bootloader. If those changes break the bootloader, it won't be discovered until the next bootloader release. 20.30.20 # bluefoxicy: The "holding menu to start the Apple firmware" happens in the Rockbox bootloader. Updating Rockbox itself doesn't change the bootloader. 20.30.34 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.31.14 # linuxstb: those changes, what kind of differences would they bring? 20.31.40 # (most out of curiousity, because I now know I will build just the defaukt) 20.32.01 # JW: nothing regarding functionality, just code that is used 20.32.33 # there's really no need to build the bootloader 20.32.44 # linuxstb: how can I print debug messages? 20.33.42 Quit Gargamale (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.33.43 # JW: Mainly changes to the hardware drivers. If those changes introduce bugs in Rockbox, then the user can just install a different version of Rockbox. But if those bugs are built into the bootloader... 20.33.52 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.34.03 # whats "Party Mode" 20.34.35 # punkrockguy318: On a real device, you can use logf. But I'll have to leave it to someone else to explain. Back later. 20.34.58 # punkrockguy318: Let me try rockboy 20.35.23 # I dont have rockboy. 20.35.24 # apparently. 20.35.27 # Thats odd. 20.35.58 # punkrockguy318: for small debug messages, you can also use a splash ;) 20.35.58 # ah, so they are driver changes. Isn't it nice to give the bootloader a different source package? Very few people should tinker with it, but everybody can mess around with the real source... 20.36.09 # linuxstb: thanks 20.36.11 # petur: true 20.36.15 # should i reset my ipod before trying rockbox? i have IPL on it currently... 20.36.51 # uhh, what folder are the plugins in when you download the daily build? 20.37.18 # JW: if people build their own RB version, they should know what they're doing and not build a bootloader 20.37.37 # JW: and installing your own bootloader isn't something you easily do by accident ;) 20.38.13 # Anyone? :) 20.38.50 # godzirra: .rockbox/rocks 20.39.06 # I just deleted and recopied as opposed to copy and overwrite... 20.39.13 # not sure why it would be different. 20.40.16 # No, rockboy isnt in the daily build for the ipod. 20.42.48 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@254.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 20.42.52 Join pabs_ [0] (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 20.43.26 Quit pabs (Nick collision from services.) 20.43.30 Nick pabs_ is now known as pabs (n=pabs@xor.pablotron.org) 20.44.09 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 20.44.52 Join wahooo [0] (n=wahooo@123.25.78.83.cust.bluewin.ch) 20.45.08 # hi 20.45.26 Part Aditya|Nap 20.46.54 # howto use grub with rockbox... planning to install Linux, rockbox in a 4th gen ipod 20.47.32 Quit qwm (Connection timed out) 20.47.54 # wahooo: why not just grub-install /dev/sda1? 20.48.12 # (using a correct menu.lst ofcourse) 20.48.56 # hey JW thx, yeah but I was just wondering if I do a chainloader to the rockbox bootloader will work 20.49.06 # punkrockguy318: suggestions? 20.49.21 # godzirra: rockboy is similar to a viewer, you just 'open' gb rom from within the file browser to play. It's not in the plugins folder... 20.49.43 # godzirra: i wish i had some :-\ works fine on my 30g 5g 20.49.45 # wahooo: haha, you mean you want to run linux on the device itself? 20.51.27 # JW: yes, heh Im in a portable mood, want to have like a small distro, lets say DSL, in my ipod so I can use it at work, home, friends whatever :) and install rockbox too 20.52.33 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 20.52.58 # thats okay, but IIUC you want to boot a REAL computer from your DAP. Because what you said looked like you were trying to boot linux ON the DAP. Which the kernel realy can't do at the moment IIRC :-P 20.55.01 # JW: so do you think that just chainloading with grub will do the trick? 20.55.08 # I don't realy know with ipods, but you can partition most DAP's so the firmware resides not in the partitions bootsector, but in the disc bootsector (0-63). So you can play with sda1, as long as you leave along sda. But I can be wrong 20.55.36 # this means you don't need to include rockbox in grub 20.55.42 Join mikolas [0] (n=mikolas@a85-156-210-49.elisa-laajakaista.fi) 20.56.36 # but note that I have not yet found a computer that could boot USB devices without any problems. I tend to use chainloading bootdiscs (floppies) to boot from my iriver 20.58.30 # JW: ok got it, so just partition it install rockbox then install DSL and leave alone the bootsector... and see if it works :) 20.59.32 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 20.59.56 # yup, well, actually you don't need to partition it (unless for DSL, that can't boot from fat32 by default) 21.01.33 # bluefoxicy: The "holding menu to start the Apple firmware" happens in the Rockbox bootloader. Updating Rockbox itself doesn't change the bootloader. 21.01.41 # linuxstb: then something fucking weird is happening. 21.02.40 # JW: or maybe give a go to slax, the iso that runs in fat... actually Ive been playing with kanotix in a usb stick without problems for a while, I know that that doent means that USB booting doesnt gives problems but Im quite happy with my results :) 21.03.09 # k, good luck, I'm off now. 21.03.17 Join JonSenior [0] (n=53ccdd28@labb.contactor.se) 21.03.18 # there's an idea 21.03.27 # rockbox PC :P 21.03.35 # on a USB stick 21.03.37 # thx JW 21.04.09 Quit JW ("see you later!") 21.04.17 Join Gargamale [0] (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 21.04.42 # Ah yes! Finally! STRAFING IN DOOM! :) 21.05.20 # * petur shrugs 21.05.23 # rockbox needs video so I can watch oral sex on my ipod. 21.05.48 # make a wps with an animated bmp 21.05.51 # or port grasprt 21.05.51 # who needs that when you have strafing in doom? 21.06.05 # I can't get off to doom 21.06.25 # lol 21.06.28 # besides 21.06.36 # then you're clearly not rockbox material! 21.06.38 # carrying around all 69 eps of Red vs Blue would be better than doom :) 21.06.50 # true, i boot into appleos for that 21.07.11 # there's a reason ipod doom can be played with only one hand, after all 21.07.15 # linuxstb: Further to my earlier burbling about battery life on the H300. I have a better example. I've been playing around with recording long periods of conversation (>1hr) and was having issues with the iRiver firmware (Turned off after around 45 minutes and didn't save anything!). With the charger plugged in RB will record for over an hour with no problems. Without the charger it powered down leaving a 168MB file (~40 minutes at my settings I be 21.07.17 # lol 21.07.33 # And sorry about the long "line" there! ;-) 21.08.11 # the rockbox keyboard needs prediction 21.08.26 # so I can just press play and have it complete phonyms 21.08.27 # JonSenior: sounds like your battery is dying 21.08.56 # bluefoxicy: that would be cool.. we could just steal some code from dasher 21.09.21 # S -> S(h) -> So(o) -> Son(ar) -> Soni(c) -> Sonic 21.09.43 # you could build a dictionary from all of the strings in the tagcache database or something 21.10.12 Join webguest13 [0] (n=3eff0007@labb.contactor.se) 21.10.22 # bluefoxicy: wanna write a patch? :) 21.10.39 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 21.10.48 # petur: I'm not so sure. It seems to run happily for music playback (esp. under the iriver f/w) and ... forget that... it just powered down under iriver mid playback of the first file. Uh oh! Not sure I want to go through the grief of an RMA! 21.10.49 # Use a boyer-moore search through a known length binary field of the whole thing lumped together \0 separated, search for the currently entered string, suggest other strings that start with that and match 21.11.16 # punkrockguy318: not really. I want to get stable income ;) 21.11.42 # * bluefoxicy has to job search, good excuse as any to get out of coding for random projects :O 21.11.43 Quit webguest13 (Client Quit) 21.12.08 # Jonsenior: if you RMA, be sure to remove all traces of RB and pray that you get it back (and not some other model) 21.12.33 # JonSenior: or look at MR for guides how to replace the battery yourself 21.13.03 # maybe upgrade the disk as well while it's open? :D 21.13.20 # bluefoxicy: yeah coding makes my grades drop 21.13.24 # Don't... I really don't fancy winding up with a non RB-able DAP. I'm fairly proficient at techy things... I have no real objection to taking it apart if necessary. 21.13.35 # Anyone found a source for the 80GB drives yet? 21.13.46 # available soon :P 21.14.02 Nick Mikaelh is now known as Mikachu (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 21.14.42 # They've been "available soon" since I bought the unit last summer! 21.15.01 # yeah - marketing eh... 21.15.01 Quit Gargamal1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.18.36 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-93-143.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.19.22 # preglow: did my commit today make track skips feel better to you? 21.19.38 # the sid patch fails at one hunk after the update to playback.c, but I know how to fix it. is there anything I can do to help? 21.19.39 Join jbauman [0] (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) 21.22.09 # piroko: I'll post an adjusted patch shortly. 21.22.25 Quit piroko (Remote closed the connection) 21.22.43 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.22.45 # lostlogic: haven't had time to try yet 21.23.01 # JonSenior: if you find it.. let me know 21.23.04 # ive been waiting too 21.23.12 # guess i'll get one "soon" 21.23.13 # :) 21.23.23 # preglow: well whenever next you update, let me know if you notice, no rush or anything, I think I'm gonna hold off on metadata until 3.0 so I have plenty of time to fix up bugs in the existing stuff. 21.23.52 # lostlogic: the audio_set_track_changed_event callback gives blank metadata about 50% of the time 21.23.55 # and i must have brok something when i compiled 21.24.05 # rockbox doesn't boot all of the way 21.24.13 # i get result:0 21.24.17 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 21.24.28 # guess i'll have to grab latest build when i get home 21.24.58 # obo: audio_set_track_changed_event? The event you put in through there? 21.25.19 Join Massa [0] (n=Massa@85.220.132.199) 21.25.28 # lostlogic: yeah - I've got something that logs playback 21.25.54 # obo: hmph, I haven't looked at that at all, will take a look. 21.26.22 Join Nico_P [0] (i=Nicolas@nas-cbv-9-62-147-113-211.dial.proxad.net) 21.26.23 # lostlogic: thanks 21.26.40 # goffa: Unlikely to be honest... stupidly big link follows: 21.26.41 # http://www.ewiz.com/query.php?categry=59&dp=1&dt=&categry=59&categry=59&brand=&pa0=&pa1=&pa2=&pa3=&pa4=1.8+inch&pa5=&nl=10&searchStr=Search+from+current+results&ob=&myanchor=%23displaytop 21.26.56 # Hi everybody! 21.27.10 # That appears to be a source for the 60GB drives. They might even fit a 320. 21.27.26 # The 80GBs are apparently going for around $400 21.27.30 # Is currently something wrong with the CVS? I always get timeouts (socket error)??? 21.27.46 # Possibly not a good investment 21.28.24 # yeah... that's why "soon" was in quotes 21.28.30 # i'm impressed though 21.28.31 # If you're handy with some kind of moulding set up, you could stick a larger disk drive in and custom build the back of the case! 21.29.09 # 60gb available i see 21.29.11 # Massa: cvs up works ok here 21.29.17 # wonder if that's the right interface 21.29.20 # prioko: Can you tell me how to fix the patch failure for the sid patch? 21.29.20 # Hmm. Have back off player. Looking for signs of obvious physical failure. Battery benchmark running ATM. 21.29.51 # $173 to upgrade to 60gb would be decent 21.30.03 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 21.30.04 # According to Mistic RIver, yes it is! 21.30.05 # I want to upload a new version, but can not apply the patch to the current version :( 21.30.12 # cool 21.30.26 # obo: that's strange - I'm unable to do an update atm. - it worked a few hours ago... :( 21.30.28 # Goffa: What do you currently have and... have you run out of room. 21.30.34 # i have a x5l 21.30.47 # and yes... i can NEVER have enough room :) 21.30.59 # well.. 80 would be much closer 21.31.09 # I like the idea of an 80GB unit from a geek POV, but I've only half-filled my 40GB and I've got five full operas in FLAC format. 21.31.20 # ... + Plus the rest of my music collection! 21.31.22 # 1 have about 1 tb of stuff... mostly flac 21.31.27 # what the hell, the first keypress when backlight off thing is default on for ipods??? 21.31.27 # Ahhh 21.31.29 # but for the player i compress to ogg.. so 21.31.34 # it'd be pretty close 21.31.36 # You'll need more than one player then 21.31.42 # Try stacking the drives!;-) 21.31.44 # i don't need EVERYTHING though 21.31.46 # ahhh, someone just uploaded the corrected patch *great*! 21.32.02 # oh a crowd 21.32.08 # and honestly about 8k tracks would probably be enough to pack around 21.32.24 # for any length of time 21.32.58 # going on a 2 week vacation this summer... so i'm not sure what i'm going to do... that 60gb is tempting 21.33.25 # Does the CVS work for everybody atm. ? 21.33.30 # obo: I hadn't even cognized the existence of that event until now. I'm adding it to the set of test events that are logged when logf is enabled. 21.33.37 # Massa: Works here 21.34.22 # lostlogic: it's returning info on tracklength, but things like artist, track + album name seem to be blank 21.34.33 # Bagder: serious holidays in Sweden? :P 21.34.37 # the idea of 2 players is tempting too 21.34.38 # Any idea what I could test? A "cvs update" hangs for several minutes and then returns with "server socket: error -1" :( 21.34.59 # petur: yeps and I had a little extra off too, and Linus even more ;-) 21.35.11 # * petur noticed ;) 21.35.29 # but I did spot the slashdot 21.35.45 # is $250 worth it for an h340? 21.35.48 # obo: what aobut path? 21.36.11 # goffa: Hey, I paid 250€ for an h320 two days ago! 21.36.19 # ok 21.36.21 # lostlogic: sorry, I'm not using that info - can test if you want? 21.36.26 # lostlogic: you did a good job by changing the doubled mutex_lock to queue calls.. :) 21.36.33 # obo: am 21.36.48 # Massa: ty -- blame Linus for suggesting it. 21.37.08 # guess i can't get it for that... 21.37.09 Quit damaki (Connection timed out) 21.37.12 # Massa: the queue calls also just make it nicer because I can queue failed events too! :) 21.37.40 # what kind of battery life would one expect from ipod port (5g, 60gb model)? 21.37.49 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.37.59 # lostlogic: and they look more logic to mee, too ;) 21.38.01 # i'm thinking of getting rid of my 60gb x5 due to bad battery life 21.38.11 # that 60gb drive is sounding better 21.38.45 # we had another slashdotting?= 21.38.51 Join piroko [0] (n=blah@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 21.38.57 # lostlogic: I just wanted to test your latest changes - first in the simulator, then on my real device, but currently I have CVS probs... 21.39.02 # preglow: couple of days ago 21.39.17 # Massa: what kind of CVS probs 21.39.48 # obo: hmm, so far I don't see any reason that the metadata in wouldn't be set at the time of the track changed call. 21.40.04 # lostlogic: I try to make a "cvs update" - it hangs a long time (several minutes) and then the process comes back with "server socket: error -1" 21.40.05 # ewiz has good reviews JonSenior 21.40.47 # lostlogic: but it seems that nobody else here has that problem here :( 21.42.38 Join Gargamal1 [0] (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 21.42.43 # no cvs probs here... must be at your place or link to the net 21.42.46 # anyone seen that 'history' patch? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2564 21.42.52 # lostlogic: I'll see if I can come up with something I can reproduce 21.43.03 # Looks like a great start to a last.fm plugin 21.43.19 # arf-arf: I'm working on one :) 21.43.30 # obo: kk -- I'm gonna log album and artist on track changed callback for a while and see if I get it 21.43.36 # Bagder, i noticed you asked if there was an updated version of the ID3 editor plugin in its tracker page about a month ago.. i was considering trying to bring that up-to-date, there's interest if i do? 21.43.48 # * Paul_The_Nerd finally goes to try the SID patch and finds it not working with current CVS. :( 21.43.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: already updated it 21.43.55 # midkay: I'm sure there will be 21.43.57 # obo: I've had a thought about the units without rtc for that... 21.44.09 # arf-arf: I think I've got that working as well... 21.44.21 # Bagder, any reason it wasn't accepted all those years ago or anything? :) 21.44.22 # lostlogic: I should've said that *before* I manually merged it then. I assume it's just making that one bit in playback.c return CODEC_SID? 21.44.30 # obo: aha, I won't share my ace idae then!! 8) 21.44.33 # midkay: because it wasn't a plugin 21.44.36 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah 21.44.39 # arf-arf: :p 21.44.39 # s/idae/idea 21.44.46 # midkay: and then I think mainly time/effort bla bla bla 21.44.53 # I made that into a function instead of being a part of loadcodec, so I caould call it elsewhere 21.45.03 Join warthawg [0] (n=warthawg@cpe-66-68-180-235.austin.res.rr.com) 21.45.07 # Bagder, ah, i thought it was.. or at least became one.. well, alright :) i'll probably give it a shot sometime in the near future. 21.45.15 # what is up with the cease and dessist stuff? 21.45.17 # arf-arf: hopefully I'll throw it up onto the patch tracker soon, so you can see how bad mine is 21.45.23 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.45.52 # who is working on the sid patch? 21.46.23 # piroko: it's Myth1's patch 21.46.29 # obo: no probs, I'll be snarfing that as soon as it's there. It's one of the last things I want to see in RB 21.46.31 # piroko: but I just updated it to patch cleanly on CVS 21.46.38 # :( 21.46.44 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@wireless-207-25.uchicago.edu) 21.46.51 # piroko: ? 21.47.15 # I don't mean to sound mean or jerkish, but I managed to fix it myself too and I wanted to contribute something... 21.47.28 # I just didn't know how 21.47.36 # oh well 21.47.57 # is pyro still around? Or somebody else working on USB charging for H300? 21.48.10 # piroko: sorry :-P 21.48.22 # lostlogic: um, no need for apology ;) 21.48.36 # good for you, piroko 21.48.47 # for trying to do the right thing and offer the patch 21.48.55 # I just sent an order for an iAudio X5L :))) 21.48.56 # well thank you warthawg :D 21.48.56 Quit JonSenior ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.49.08 Join phaedrus961 [0] (n=dfdsfsdf@ppp-69-233-112-187.dsl.bkfd14.pacbell.net) 21.49.27 # if anyone ist interested: I have uploaded a new version of the SID codec 21.49.34 # ... 21.49.37 # I AM! 21.49.42 # cia timing and sample playback is now available 21.49.51 # there must be something wrong with x5 60gb models as i only get 8 hours of playback with the stock firmware 21.49.52 # 1.2? 21.49.56 # it should be around 15 or so 21.49.57 # fastforwading also works 21.50.03 # cool jesper you'll like it 21.50.08 # iaudio X5L for about $432 here.. damn expensive in sweden 21.50.08 # i love mine 21.50.09 # wait, cia timing as in being able to specify track lenghts from a file? 21.50.15 # Myth1: w000t 21.50.29 # yeah.. i paid like $400 for mine.. but that was 6-8 months ago 21.50.36 # goffa_: ah, yeah.. I'm looking forward to it :) 21.50.37 # love the case though... steel 21.50.38 # Myth1: might that fix a couple of tracks that are too slow now? 21.50.38 # prioko: Unfortunately not. CIA timing is used for the playback speed 21.50.44 # ah ok 21.50.56 # 'cause melt your brain is waaay too slow :> 21.50.58 # preglow: yes, it probably will. If not, drop me an email with the song and I'll look into it 21.51.09 Quit Massa ("There is a byte stuck in my modem!!") 21.51.19 # i'll test it right now 21.51.59 # btw: Is Brandon Low here? Uploading that patch was very nice. Kept me from a headache ;) 21.52.23 # whoopsie, gotta go 21.52.30 Quit jesper ("asdfklj") 21.52.43 # Myth1: that's lostlogic 21.53.07 # usually he's here 21.53.13 # ah, well then thank you very much lostlogic! ;) 21.53.18 # working like a slave :) 21.53.39 # ts-x: Ah.. I havent tried rockboy then... 21.53.46 # ... rub it in Myth1... :) 21.54.03 Quit Gargamale (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.54.05 # Myth1: yup, now it works 21.54.06 # * goffa_ has to wait until 4pm to get tunes :( 21.54.19 # good thing its 2 now.. approx 21.54.23 # I need some good new music. :/ 21.54.31 # we'll really need codec options for this thing 21.54.39 # godzirra: lala.com is cool if you can get an invite 21.54.47 # $1.50/cd trade 21.54.47 # i want adjustable filter cutoff curves, heh 21.54.53 # to be honest, I was very astonished that double-speed tunes work fine on my h320. the day before yesterday the sid codec was only working half as fast as realtime ;) 21.55.02 # Wow thats neat. 21.55.07 # goffa_: got any invitations? :) 21.55.12 # unfortunately no 21.55.15 # Bah. 21.55.19 # but i got one 1 hour after signing up 21.55.20 # preglow: it looks like that audio keeping playing from the old track until the new track will really start is a feature, not a bug. 21.55.25 # from them 21.55.26 # what players you are using with sids? 21.55.28 # Anyone else have a lala.com invite? :) 21.55.33 # lostlogic: i don't like it :> 21.55.35 # and I broke other features by trying to fix it :-P 21.55.39 # seemed kinda slow on x5 for some reason... 21.55.51 # lala.com 21.55.53 # ? 21.55.56 # lostlogic: btw, your fix doesn't seem to be working anyway 21.55.58 # when compared to someone saying it barely boosts on ipod 21.55.59 # preglow: I gotta say I agree with you -- we have features to ensure the GUI changes immediately upon click, so the audio should stop on click too. 21.56.07 # goffa_: I'm guessing no one else has one ;) 21.56.08 # lostlogic: i just got a short skip, then three seconds of old audio, then the new track 21.56.13 # i'm guessing now 21.56.14 # lostlogic: wps continued updating and all 21.56.15 # its pretty new 21.56.17 # oh well. 21.56.24 # hit the interested in joining anyway 21.56.26 # If you get one, can you shoot me one, or do you have a waiting list of friends? :) 21.56.28 # you'll probably get one 21.56.35 # I did. 21.56.43 # and if i get an invite... you'l be 2nd on the list 21.56.47 # woo 21.56.49 # lol 21.56.56 # I guess they're slower than gmial with invites ;) 21.57.04 # preglow: yeah, I'm going to hafta look into what this 'CFM_FLUSH' setting that it uses is for. 21.57.32 # lostlogic: as a matter of fact, i get that behaviour all the time with sids 21.57.41 # yeah... i'm guessing they'll invite you before i do 21.57.45 # probably happens with fast codecs. 21.57.48 # but thats because i don't have any to give 21.58.50 # i have a feeling this service is going to be crazier than netflix 21.59.17 # goffa_: But I actually am interested in finding new music. ;) i.e. stuff I havent heard before. 21.59.30 # yeah... well it should be on there too 21.59.39 # I'm sure, but I dont know what to look for ;) 21.59.41 # obo: is it manual skips where you are getting TCEs w/o data? 21.59.45 # Myth1: btw, the patch is full av crlf lineends in sid.c now 21.59.47 # a good idea is to try allmusic.com 21.59.48 # godzirra: every heard of the mars volta or coheed and cambria? 21.59.49 # I want suggestions so I can go to amazon or something and listen to samples ;) 21.59.52 # type in artists you like 21.59.59 # then go to similar artists 22.00.03 # coheed and cambria sounds familiar. Mars Volta was ok... 22.00.09 # obo: also, you are aware that it is not safe to memcpy an mp3entry struct, right? 22.00.27 # goffa_: is it you? from #vqf? or maybe a different goffa? 22.00.27 # the amazon thing is good too 22.00.45 # yobesoom: you found me :).. who were you? 22.00.53 # read the name backwards :P 22.01.08 # holy shit 22.01.30 # how have you been? 22.01.36 # awesome dude 22.01.38 # Whats vqf? 22.01.40 Quit pataswing ("Leaving") 22.01.58 Quit wahooo ("Leaving") 22.01.58 # preglow: Hmm, no idea how this happened :( 22.02.04 Join DewDude [0] (n=dewdude@pool-71-114-99-214.washdc.dsl-w.verizon.net) 22.02.18 # good to hear... been good myself 22.02.29 # GOFFAAAAAQ! 22.02.29 # godzirra: old old sound format 22.02.38 # godzirra: did you try http://www.gnoosic.com/ 22.03.16 # doing the whole college thing now... crazy stuff 22.03.51 # hey DewDude 22.03.51 # gotcha. 22.03.58 # blast from the past in here 22.04.04 # indeed 22.04.04 # Tobu: nope, never heard of it... 22.04.06 # we're taking over.. lol 22.04.09 # haha 22.04.18 # rotator from mpc comes in here too 22.04.22 # nice 22.04.22 # the bastard teenagers of vqf 22.04.24 # dc hub 22.04.30 # btw: How is that dumb player going on? 22.04.31 # lostlogic: yup, I think it's caused by manual skips, but will confirm that for sure 22.04.37 # I've been hanging out on musepack.net as well lately 22.04.52 # lostlogic: I'm manually assigning the few bits of data to my own struct - no memcpy 22.05.02 # bluebrother? 22.06.03 # obo: well like the char *s in the mp3entry will become invalid as soon as the next buffer fill happens, so you'll want to copy them out somewhere safe if you need them. 22.06.17 # sweet lord 22.06.21 # people who actually like itunes exists 22.06.29 # obo: or make a real memcpy of the id3 struct which involves offsetting the pointers (which I have code for in my metadata on buffer patch) 22.06.39 # iTunes isn't that bad... 22.06.53 # with a few plugins that is 22.07.01 # granted fb2k FTW 22.07.17 # but OTOH I own a mac, so I can't use foobar 22.07.42 # preglow: People who will fanatically defend iTunes as being the best music software ever exist. I was terrified. 22.07.43 # i can't stand itunes 22.07.43 # gnoosic.com is interesting. 22.08.09 # O_o 22.08.12 # I wouldn't go that far 22.08.18 # my favourite people are the ones who say they'd rather install ipodlinux 22.08.18 # haha 22.08.42 # when ogg vorbis support was one of the main reasons mentioned 22.09.26 # gnoosic.com just keeps recommending mainstream bands to me. :/ 22.09.53 # heh 22.10.08 Join leftright [0] (n=d4406110@labb.contactor.se) 22.10.57 # what type of music do you like godzirra? 22.11.18 # lostlogic: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5166 is what I've been using 22.11.22 # he's a sucker for nickelback and britney spears 22.11.26 # g'day folks, merry easter to you all 22.11.50 # lol 22.12.04 # goffa: I like a huge range of stuff to be honest. 22.12.19 # Lately I've been listening to a lot of 3, Perfect Circle, and The Killers 22.12.41 # hmm.. haven't heard of 3 22.12.42 # but I listen to random stuff (at least random for most people I know that listen to those top 3) like bob marley, susan tedeschi, doors, johny cash, air. 22.12.47 # 3 is pretty cool. 22.12.49 # i like a variety too 22.12.52 # If you like Perfect Circle, check out 3. 22.12.54 # they're very out there... 22.12.57 # cool 22.13.07 # kind of an odd mix of Pink Floyd-ish and Perfect Circle-ish music. 22.13.13 # cool 22.13.17 # * yobesoom plays strong-bad techno 22.13.24 # lostlogic, is the worst over for the playback engine rewrite/optimising ? 22.13.27 # cu later guys 22.13.28 # I do a lot of techno on occasion 22.13.28 Quit Myth1 ("... und tschüß") 22.13.33 # fifth slashdotting altogether, not bad 22.13.34 # and classical depending on what I'm doing. 22.13.38 # I love apocalyptica. 22.13.42 # not too into marley 22.13.51 # I am sometimes.. depends on my mood. 22.13.57 # pitchshifter is kind of fun for heavy electronic 22.14.17 # leftright: not sure, depends if I decide to do metadata on buffer for 3.0 or 3.1 which is currently in the air 22.14.25 # obo: yes, that's broken just as I expected 22.14.36 # obo: it requires the char *s to remain valid until the _next_ event 22.14.40 # which is not a valid assumption 22.14.53 # Check this out: http://www.hackaday.com/entry/1234000507073641/ 22.14.56 # it must make a copy of their source data and change their offsets, not just use soon-to-be invalid char *s 22.15.08 # I was looking at it... its neat. Especially if you play with any sort of music software that is setup as a "tracker" software. 22.15.13 # Kinda fun :) 22.15.30 # goffa: I was really into The Killers for a few weeks when they first came out. 22.15.41 # obo: probably the better design for scrobbler would be to make a real copy of the mp3entry and then save the data from it to the disk at the next event. 22.15.55 # And on 3 I love Brafamatura which is instrumental guitar. 22.16.10 # obo: I'll commit in the next couple of days a function to make a real mp3entry copy, (just hafta figure out where to put it the code) 22.16.22 # * yobesoom can't wait till rockbox plays .mod, .xm, .it, and .s3m 22.16.31 # I love my mod collection. 22.16.32 # lostlogic: okay, thanks :) 22.16.33 # I wanted to cry. 22.16.40 # I had like 2 gigs of mod/xm/s3m/it's. 22.16.43 # err 22.16.46 # I -lost- my mod colelction 22.16.48 # rather. 22.16.51 # God its late. 22.17.03 # lol 22.17.13 # 2 gigs of mods is a hell of a lot. :) 22.17.24 # yeah it is 22.17.52 # goffa_: so any suggestions on music? :) 22.18.08 Part leftright 22.18.12 # 56 megs here 22.18.34 # hmm... you tried eels? 22.18.43 # damn phone is distracting 22.18.43 # yobesoom: My collection dated back from stuff I had picked up like in the early 90's :) 22.18.47 # amazed that it had lived that long. 22.18.56 # Skaven was my favorite group though that did releases. 22.19.03 # Hmm.. dont think so. i'll check them out. 22.19.05 # skaven is one guy 22.19.05 # * yobesoom <3 skaven 22.19.06 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.19.09 # godzirra: hly crap you listen to 3? 22.19.45 # godzirra: you know that the guy behind 3 is from coheed and cambria, right? 22.20.18 # Heh.. no I didnt know that :) 22.20.18 # porcupine tree is good 22.20.46 # godzirra: yeah, ever member of coheed and cambria has a side project 22.20.53 # every 22.24.02 Quit piroko ("Leaving") 22.25.16 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.25.51 # Thats cool... I love 3. 22.27.45 # obo: is scrobbler your work? 22.27.58 # lostlogic: yup 22.28.02 Quit Gargamal1 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.28.12 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 22.28.18 # lostlogic: although I'm not sure I want to admit to it after what you said :) 22.28.23 # obo: cool, I'll put that function in in a minute... since it was already coded ;) 22.28.30 # anyone got any examples of when the current resampler starts to make weird noises? 22.28.33 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 22.28.37 # i can't reproduce it now, it seems 22.28.39 # obo: no worries, I was tearing my hair out most of yesterday because Ididn't realize the same thing :-P 22.28.50 # lostlogic: cool :) glad it's not just me 22.29.11 # obo: it's definitely nonobvious, adding the copy function should make it obvious that such a function exists for a reason :) 22.29.20 Quit piroko (Client Quit) 22.29.29 # welcome back piroko... 22.29.30 # or not. 22.29.41 Join gursikh [0] (n=m@adsl-68-93-73-97.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 22.29.50 # preglow: I'm planning to fix the replaygain + pre-cut thing, in case you're thinking about doing it... :) 22.29.53 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 22.30.04 # Lear: it's on my list, yes 22.30.13 # Lear: but i won't stop you 22.30.51 # Not sure if I'll get it in tonight... 22.31.18 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 22.31.39 # Lear: if you are interested, I have a metadata on buffer (not working yet) patch on the wiki @ SoftwareCodecPlayback, might be of interest to you / you might have comments on my impl so far. 22.32.48 # obo: see id3.c: copy_mp3entry for all your mp3entry copying needs. 22.33.07 # lostlogic: excellent - thanks very much 22.36.12 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 22.36.43 # lostlogic: I'm just starting to look at your metadata-on-buffer patch a little - I see you haven't changed any of the WPS display code. Did you look at that? 22.37.08 # linuxstb: the actual code in the apps/gui/? 22.37.41 # Yes. 22.38.03 # what would need changing there? 22.38.51 # I'm just thinking that maybe it assumes things about the metadata which are no longer true. 22.39.51 # linuxstb: nope, it always just asks audio_current_track() and any time the metadata would be becoming invalid, track_changed should be set which causes it to ask audio_current_track again making it playback's problem to keep the WPS info correct 22.40.00 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.42.43 Quit piroko ("telinit 0") 22.45.08 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-217-23.worldnet.co.nz) 22.46.32 Quit inteliwasp ("Leaving") 22.49.32 # lostlogic: Your metadata patch doesn't apply any more... 22.50.10 # linuxstb: posted v1.3 to the wiki just a moment ago 22.50.11 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.50.14 Nick qwm_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.50.24 # developers...I have a 3G iPod (but won't have it after Saturday)...if anything needs anything tested on the 3G iPod I can test stuff out to get 3G development going or to help it. 22.50.34 # Interesting... WPS doesn't exit on end of playlist like it used to... 22.50.40 # lostlogic: red builds for hardware codec :( 22.51.10 # Moos: boooo thanks 22.51.17 # np 22.51.56 # so I guess 3G is not the focus right now or testing isn't needed? 22.51.57 # No gain info for hardware codecs for now... 22.52.03 # RoC_MM: we have no 3g devsd 22.52.04 # devs 22.52.11 # as I saw 22.52.16 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 22.52.18 # thanks. 22.52.20 # for the update. 22.52.27 # RoC_MM: we can't just cobble together a build and send it to you when we have no idea at all if it'll work 22.52.38 # well 22.52.42 # RoC_MM: whatever feedback you might give wouldn't help very far, we pretty much need a coder with a unit 22.53.03 # if like one of you thought someone or other might work if you tweaked a couple things, I could test out things since you don't have any 3Gs or something. 22.53.04 # coding blindly isn't very fun 22.53.12 # mmm 22.53.21 # even the display driver wont probably 22.53.21 # work 22.53.26 # RoC_MM: Well, as it is "Playback doesn't work" so the state is "Someone who has a unit needs to figure out Why it doesnt" 22.53.36 # Well unfortunatley I don't think I'll have the 3G much longer and I don't think I'm much of a rockbox coder :-) 22.53.37 # so display does work? 22.53.49 # preglow: 3G has working display I believe, there was even a commit at one point that said "MAY fix 3G playback" but it didn't. 22.54.08 # well, i can live with this anyway 22.54.11 # preglow: There's even a ../tools/configure target for 3G 22.54.16 # The last status I heard was that everything was working relatively well - apart from audio playback. 22.54.26 # 3g codecs will be a nightmare 22.54.28 # but anywho 22.54.36 # i want to fix the resampler, but i can't make it make noises anymore 22.54.37 # help needed 22.54.42 # amiconn's recent greyscale LCD driver improvements probably improved the 3g port as well. 22.55.02 # there seems to be some bug in either dsp_input_size() or dsp_output_size(), thiugh 22.55.05 # * amiconn appears 22.55.08 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.55.13 # i get warnings in the simulator when using the resampler sometimes 22.55.48 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC") 22.56.09 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 22.57.08 # well I'm glad mine is a 4G and that works fine 22.57.28 # are you guys expecting a coder for 3G to come along, because I see 3G iPod listed as a target for 3.1 22.57.54 # lostlogic: I think your patch has a typo - adjust_mp8entry() isn't defined... 22.58.10 # linuxstb: I can't remember *recent* changes of mine. My latest ones were the driver flip for better coexistence with retailos, and the not-yet-used lcd_blit() 22.58.29 # amiconn: Didn't you fix things when you first got your mini? 22.58.31 # RoC_MM: impossible to say, someone pretty much just has to show up and start helping 22.58.39 # But then the 3G has the same lcd controller as all greyscale ipods, so it should 'just work' 22.58.53 # I was thinking more about lcd-2bit-horiz.c 22.59.28 Quit ender` (" When I was a child... We had a quick-sand box in the backyard... I was an only child... eventually.") 22.59.39 Quit punkrockguy318 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.00.03 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 23.00.25 # RoC_MM: Well, there used to be one. And it's a little hard to have expectations of people we don't know yet, but I'm sure someone out there has a 3G and the right interest, so all it requires is him/her stumbling across the site. 23.00.35 # linuxstb: That was quite a while back. My mini-related fixes came before I got my mini 2g 23.00.58 # 8 weeks 23.01.00 # ago 23.01.28 # So I see from the logs... 23.01.29 # Fixing the partial update (in lcd-ipod.c) was more recent 23.03.12 # amiconn: but can you remember anything you can do to make the resampler glitch? 23.03.23 # linuxstb: haha, I rule. 23.04.17 # linuxstb: remember, the patch doesn't work. it plays first song, and can seek, but track changes are all broken :) 23.04.19 # preglow: Hmm, not really. I know that with non-trivial ratio, it glitches by itself (e.g when playing 12kHz files) 23.05.05 # Sometimes it starts to produce glitches after playing with the pitch screen 23.05.17 # ...but I don't do that during normal use 23.05.21 # i remember i could do that as well 23.05.23 # but not anymore 23.05.32 # i'll just try making some weird sample rate files, then 23.05.35 Join bk [0] (n=bk@cpe-24-195-202-150.nycap.res.rr.com) 23.05.48 # lostlogic: "Enforce the 'no malloc for voice codec'." <= what does that mean? 23.06.50 # amiconn: return 0 size and NULL when a voice codec asks for malloc memory space, so that we'll know right away if a voice codec tries to malloc. 23.07.14 # preglow: I tried crossfeed today, as I thought it might make a difference when listening with earphones. I was surprised that I could hear no difference at all... 23.07.21 # http://www.inyopools.com/detail.aspx?ID=32273 23.07.26 # neat rockbox rock! 23.07.28 # ;-) 23.07.41 # amiconn: it doesn't matter too much with ordinary material 23.08.24 # preglow: it makes those tracks that make one ear tingle because they focus all of the guitar in that ear and none in the other sound nicer? 23.08.37 # lostlogic: yes, by a ton 23.08.41 # lostlogic: What's the benefit? Does using malloc() from voice codec cause more problems than from audio codec? 23.09.02 # (not that I advocate the use of malloc, of course) 23.09.12 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 23.09.14 # lostlogic: Did you say seeking was working with your metadata patch? 23.09.20 # amiconn: there's only one malloc buffer, and before the same buffer was given to both codecs, but the code using that buffer wasn't aware of the other, so, if both used it, both would go BOOM 23.09.33 # ah ok 23.09.34 # linuxstb: it did for me yesterday at least 23.09.40 # libmad doesn't malloc? 23.09.44 # indeed 23.09.53 # Seeking in my FLAC files doesn't work - I get a codec error followed by a freeze. 23.09.58 # amiconn: apparently not, linuxstb went and verified this yesterday, and apparently slasheri did a long time ago too 23.10.02 # Sorry "Codec failure" 23.10.19 # amiconn: The code still has malloc() in it - but it's never called. 23.10.25 # libmad can malloc, but we fix it to never call it 23.10.36 # linuxstb: :( so much for my theory of seeking working -- must still have bugs in off-buffer seeks even :( 23.11.03 # Yes, it's definitely off-buffer. The disk spins up, and then it freezes. 23.11.21 Quit wonderwal (Remote closed the connection) 23.11.31 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-217-23.worldnet.co.nz) 23.12.01 Join wonderwal [0] (n=k0@205.177.72.66) 23.12.21 # damn, I thought I got rebuffer-and-seek working. 23.12.49 # A 23.15.07 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 23.16.03 Join slimeball [0] (i=jew@xion.phxhost.net) 23.16.28 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 23.16.44 # wtf 23.16.45 # well that was fun... I got to completely wipe out all my os x preferences! 23.16.52 # if I hold menu + O the ipod resets 23.17.01 # and then I let go and just hold menu 23.17.03 # and it boots rockbox 23.17.06 Join qwm_ [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 23.17.07 # if I hold play, the ipod resets 23.17.12 # and then holding menu boots ipod 23.20.08 # bluefoxicy: is your ipod plugged in? 23.21.27 Quit piroko (Remote closed the connection) 23.22.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.23.35 # bluefoxicy: Have you installed the bootloader more than once? 23.24.28 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 23.25.36 # nope 23.25.44 # it's odd. 23.26.55 # Did it ever work for you? 23.27.41 # anyone intimately knowledgeable about smull and smlal instructions here? 23.28.41 # or just know what happens if i give the same register as the two first params to either of them :> 23.29.44 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 23.30.00 Nick VoltAsleep is now known as VoltageX (i=VoltageX@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 23.30.00 DBUG Enqueued KICK VoltageX 23.30.20 Quit qwm (Connection timed out) 23.30.21 # sorry if my coming and going is getting annoying. every one of my programs keeps crashing at the same time at random intervals... 23.31.17 # is obo around? 23.31.28 # yup 23.31.46 # hey, I can't get the new build (with scrobbler.patch) to compile 23.32.22 # it's kinda broke at the moment - I'm working on it 23.32.57 # ah okay. Maybe I should stop trying to be quite so eager!] 23.33.28 # hehe - in the words of Russ from last.fm - it's gone to be at least one month, if not longer, before the support on their side is ready 23.34.01 # oh, this new .log submitter from the as wiki? 23.34.04 Quit piroko (Remote closed the connection) 23.34.21 # I was trying to get foobar2k to submit the text file for me. 23.34.26 # yeah - you seen the link on the patch page? 23.34.41 # But it didn't work! Yep, from the patch page 23.35.45 # yeah - they're working on a new client at the moment - it's in beta - but they haven't written the support for this log file format yet 23.36.16 Quit Nico_P () 23.36.40 # right. Well I can just build up a massive log (as it were) and then as soon as they have the support then I can use last.fm again 23.37.04 # well, you can as soon as I get it working anyway :) 23.37.24 # I usually listen to music on the move (commuting) so last.fm from the desktop really isn't all that useful for me. 23.38.34 # yup - their current spam detection tends to eat anything from mobile devices... 23.38.41 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.39.08 # hmm, any idea if itrip works with rockbox on the 4g's? 23.39.26 # midkay: hi 23.40.04 # hey bluebrother, just wanted to mention that your sudoku screenshot has a (seems to be) KDE gear in it ;) 23.40.21 # eper: I'm pretty sure it doesn't. But generic FM transmitters will work. 23.40.28 # ooops. 23.40.42 # midkay: I just noticed that... 23.40.52 # linuxstb, :) 23.41.07 # I should look closer to screenshots from patches ... 23.41.36 # oh, haha, wasn't yours? 23.41.43 # i see i see :) 23.42.26 # I checked the patch itself but didn't look at the screenshots ... 23.42.27 # preglow: That seems an odd thing to want to do... 23.43.04 # bluebrother, gotcha 23.43.19 # RedBreva is quite active the last time. 23.43.40 # linuxstb: i guess it does... but i desperately need registers for the arm crossfeed routine, heh 23.45.12 # Can you not use MUL and MLA ? 23.45.27 # mno, they just give me the low part of the 64 bit product 23.45.39 # for that to work, i'd have to shift everything before i mul 23.45.51 # and i'd have just around 16 bits of precision 23.47.26 # But using the same register for both halves of the SMULL output could never give you 64-bit output anyway. Or am I missing something? 23.47.26 Join sharpe [0] (i=ziggy@user-0c8hc2h.cable.mindspring.com) 23.47.35 # blarr! 23.47.56 # linuxstb: i won't work at all, just me acting the fool 23.48.10 # seems i have to use the stack in the innerloop after all, then :/ 23.48.25 # how's acting the fool going, preglow? 23.48.39 # :) So you wanted to do a 32*32->64 multiplication using less than 4 registers? 23.49.05 # sharpe: like a dream 23.49.10 # linuxstb: yes, heh 23.49.54 # bluebrother: Whoops... didn't realise the screen grabber included the cursor! Want one without? 23.50.04 # Would "smull r0,r1,r0,r1" work? 23.50.09 # just made one myself ;-) 23.50.22 # didn't you use F5 to make a screenshot? 23.51.06 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 23.51.09 # No, I used Ksnapshot... It saves directly to PNG and saved a step converting from bmp 23.51.35 # I used ksnapshot only for the player. 23.51.41 # And because I had been doing player screen shots at the same time 23.52.07 # mainly because I need to rename the files anyway ... convert does the rest ;-) 23.52.21 # bluebrother: Meh, that reminds me of something I wanted to add... :/ 23.52.30 # linuxstb: if that doesn't work, then i'm definitely in for some tough work 23.52.49 # since i already do something like that 23.53.01 # smull r14, r9, r7, r9 23.53.46 Join michaelconner [0] (n=424417ed@labb.contactor.se) 23.53.55 Quit michaelconner (Client Quit) 23.54.46 # blergh 23.54.53 # hmm, building the sim with gcc 4.1 throws lots of warnings. But I guess this is already known ;-) 23.55.26 # if i could just assume my code section was writable, i could save my stack pointer after my routine and use that too... 23.55.30 # gcc 4.1 has a different opinion about a couple of things than gcc <= 4.0.x 23.55.53 # preglow: Better don't 23.55.57 # amiconn: i know 23.55.58 # at least it works. 23.56.25 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 23.56.25 # * bluebrother reinstalled his machine the last days and still misses his cross-compilers 23.56.35 # amiconn: such as? 23.57.16 # it has weird notions of const pointers, for one 23.57.27 # it also catches a lot of unused code stuff that gcc 4 doesn't 23.57.35 # lostlogic: I don't remember exactly, but these days preglow committed some fixes for gcc 4.1 warnings. They caused warnings for earlier gcc... 23.57.46 # ...so they had to be taken back 23.57.57 # is the bcm2722 datasheet (video decoder of 5g ipod) publicly available? 23.57.59 # aye, I saw that 23.58.02 # mikolas: hell no 23.58.04 # mikolas: in our dreams 23.58.06 # mikolas: dream on 23.58.08 # thought so :-) 23.58.12 # nor are the datasheets for the CPUs 23.58.17 # assembler question of the day: http://pastebin.com/665989 - does this set bit 3 in the upper byte? 23.58.38 # yeah, i just bought 5g ipod from ebay so i might delve into some rockbox development 23.58.55 # mikolas: whee!