--- Log for 25.04.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 0 days ago 00.00.02 # hmm 00.00.09 # is it only on ipods that selecting a new track now works very seldom? 00.00.38 # it shows the wps, then bombs out to the file selector 00.01.37 # why does the manual use xspace? 00.02.56 # bluebrother: god knows 00.03.12 # it's weird, it only happens when i exit to the file selector and choose anew file, not when skipping from the wps 00.03.13 # /whois God 00.03.17 # God :No such nick/channel 00.03.18 # eh, more like 3700%, bottom was covered up a bit. 00.03.44 # preglow: I think it's all swcodec, selecting a new file to play while audio is playing don't work none 00.03.56 # shucks 00.03.59 # ok, then I'll remove it. It may only cause additional spaces after punctuation marks, and we should use \frenchspacing if we actually want frenchspacing. 00.04.25 # preglow: that's right next on my lits of shit to fix after this crossfade insanity 00.04.40 # lostlogic: hooray for you! hooray for brandon! 00.05.02 # lostlogic: Ah, so it's this drop back to browser, not a hang? 00.05.20 # I noticed this too. 00.05.25 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.28 # I was able to reproduce this twice on H340, but it doesn't happen often 00.05.35 # selecting a new song drops me back to the browser. 00.06.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#iPod_nano_Tango 00.06.05 # nice wps, actually 00.06.14 Quit mborus ("CGI:IRC") 00.06.21 Part lmb 00.06.23 # It's more likely to completely confuse the playback enigine completely with repeated file selection than to get this drop back effect 00.06.31 # -1x compltely 00.06.51 # * amiconn can't type :/ 00.07.59 # * amiconn still doesn't see the advantage of graphical wps'es 00.08.10 # the advantage is they look good 00.08.13 # tbh 00.08.19 # what preglow said O.o 00.08.27 # on a target like h3x, ipod colour/5g 00.08.29 # All that I saw either waste space, have worse readability than a plain one, or both 00.08.36 # you've got a massive, colour lcd 00.08.43 # why _not_ use it for something a bit prettier 00.08.49 # * amiconn has a H300, among other targets 00.08.54 Quit ender` (" I'd rather have a free bottle in front of me than a prefrontal lobotomy.") 00.08.59 # this isnt a pissing competition 00.09.01 # : > 00.09.16 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.09.18 # only thing i like about this one is that the text doesn't scroll 00.09.22 # XavierGr, there's a new midi patch if you are interested 00.09.24 # but that's a rockbox limitation, i guess 00.09.34 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.09.41 Part midgey34 00.09.46 # preglow: that tango wps is sweet 00.09.55 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.10.14 # tss 00.10.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g#Nudel_Green_5G 00.10.21 # i want that for nano 00.10.24 # kkurbjun: additions? 00.10.35 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.10.36 # preglow: wasn't nudel talking about porting it? 00.10.54 # yeah, but then he started playing oblivion 00.10.56 # heh 00.10.58 # XavierGr, It plays full speed for me at 11k on all my files 00.11.08 # with the max voices set to 100 as well 00.11.25 # some files can play at 22k with the max voices set to 22k 00.11.30 # oops, 24 00.11.41 # hehe, yeah oblivion is a bade move ;\ 00.11.44 # -e 00.11.48 # 24 is the general midi specification minimum I believe 00.12.25 # crashd: i need to physically restrain myself from oblivion 00.12.28 # damn, that game looks sweet 00.12.34 # heh, im doing my finals and dissertation atm 00.12.36 # i should be paid for the heroic effort involved 00.12.37 # so i cant even think about it 00.12.47 # but just wait till i graduate 00.13.05 # i could just walk around the forested parts of the game all day 00.13.12 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 00.13.19 # kkurbjun: Thanks I will check it. 00.13.53 # lol @ sarcastic headline 00.13.58 # European gas prices over $6.00/gal. Average European car doubles in value after fill-up 00.14.07 Quit midgey34 (Client Quit) 00.14.38 Join sharpe [0] (i=ziggy@user-0c8hc23.cable.mindspring.com) 00.15.41 # is someone here able tex-ing the manual with latex (not pdflatex)? 00.15.43 # * preglow votes for margins patch now! 00.16.36 # margins patch? 00.16.42 # for neater wpses 00.16.57 # Hmm, I now quick-checked all colour wps'es in the rockbox + misticriver galleries 00.17.08 # I didn't find a single one that I would like to use... 00.17.15 # i've found exactly one 00.17.18 # namely the tango one 00.17.21 # engineer2 for me :) 00.17.25 # x5 00.17.32 # but that's not really color 00.17.35 # The tango one wastes space with the big note 00.17.46 Join voltagex [0] (i=voltagex@dsl-210-211-102-124.nsw.veridas.net) 00.17.48 # boo-hoo 00.17.55 # it's pretty! 00.18.01 # yay stuck in linux cli... 00.18.08 # yeah... pretty is MUCH better than functional 00.18.10 # :P 00.18.12 # really strange. latex always produces pdfs on the manual 00.18.13 # heh 00.18.17 # ...and light grey on white doesn't help readability 00.18.17 # * bluebrother is puzzled 00.18.18 # look at mac 00.18.29 # amiconn: it's not exactly light grey 00.18.38 # goffa: LOL I was about to say that 00.18.41 # how abot yellow on white... 00.18.44 # at least i haven't got the slightest problem with reading it 00.18.51 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 00.18.53 Quit _Lucretia_ ("Leaving") 00.19.04 # e.g. linux cli = fugly, but functional. 00.19.06 Join BjoernErik [0] (n=unknown@232.80-202-109.nextgentel.com) 00.19.14 # voltagex: i have to agree 00.19.28 # ssh is bad ass 00.19.38 # preglow: It's rather light 00.19.44 # goffa: rm -rf / 00.19.55 # amiconn: yeah, it's light-ish 00.19.59 # ah... the linux admin install guide 00.20.01 Join macdonalder [0] (n=macdonal@CPE00045af2dd15-CM0011ae92481c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 00.20.11 # goffa: I basically did that today because the linux install was borked, badly 00.20.20 # ouch.. what happened? 00.20.39 # goffa: no idea, but I hadn't touched the install for weeks 00.20.40 # still, by far the nicest i've seen for nanos 00.20.44 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 00.20.49 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@adsl-68-93-75-171.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 00.20.52 # i don't really require much information in my wps 00.20.57 # some title info and the song length 00.20.59 # that's that 00.21.04 # 6 minutes before I have X... 00.25.54 # amiconn? 00.26.02 # * amiconn prefers text-only with progressbar + peakmeter + standard status bar 00.26.21 # why the peakmeter? 00.26.36 # sigh, I wish peakmeter didn't cause gapping on ipod. 00.26.38 # i kind of like next track 00.26.42 # I see no use for it unless recording 00.26.47 # isn't that right, amiconn 00.26.48 # Mainly to give a bit of separation 00.26.51 # that's what you thought. 00.26.57 # amiconn, you said in your keyboard update that the cursor would be shown while you moved around the filename. it's not.. 00.27.15 # My in-car wps'es are text-only, without any bars, and with a big font 00.27.22 Quit KlrSpz () 00.27.36 # i don't care about peak meter at all 00.27.49 # i'd rather make some separation with a big note symbol 00.27.49 # me either 00.27.52 Part Paul_The_Nerd 00.27.58 # lol.. i wouldn't go that far though 00.28.31 # The big note symbol takes much more space than the peakmeter... and it disallows scrolling with current rockbox 00.28.42 # we should also provide a vertical peakmeter, once we have margins :) 00.28.58 # I rather want a way to see the whole title 00.29.17 # text wrapping? 00.29.17 # I also cannot understand why so many wps'es center the text 00.29.22 # i'd settle for being able to scroll and keep the note... 00.29.47 # amiconn: maybe it's a matter of choice? 00.29.52 # isnt that what rockbox is about, after all : > 00.30.20 Quit Bjoern-Erik (Connection timed out) 00.30.33 # centered text is harder to read 00.31.28 # imho 00.31.49 # amiconn? 00.31.51 # Yes, that's what rockbox is about 00.32.01 # midkay: what? 00.32.26 # [five minutes ago] amiconn, you said in your keyboard update that the cursor would be shown while you moved around the filename. it's not.. 00.32.42 # did i misunderstand your commit comment? 00.32.45 # Huh? It is shown perfectly here 00.32.58 # i mean it blinks when you move it.. 00.33.19 # No, exactly the opposite 00.33.24 # iiuc, your comment says that it should always be shown (not blink) whilst you move it? 00.34.11 # A blinking cursor can be irritating when moving through the text, because it will be in the 'hidden' phase from time to time, so you wouldn't know how far you already moved it 00.34.35 # With my commit, the cursor always starts with its 'visible' phase after a keypress 00.34.48 # amiconn, exactly. which is why i'm asking what's up. for me it continues blinking even after keypresses. 00.35.09 # Yes of course 00.35.26 # It should cointinue bliking if you let go the keys 00.35.29 # i mean during keypresses. 00.35.34 # Hmm? 00.35.41 # I just re-checked to make sure 00.36.07 # It behaves like described on H300, mini 2g, and ondio fm 00.37.02 # ipod 5G here. selecting the input line, cursor is blinking, tapping and holding left/right both result in moving the cursor and nothing else. it continues to blink. 00.37.30 # Of course it continues to blink *after* pressing left/right 00.37.38 # i mean during the press. 00.37.55 # With my commit, the cursor always starts with its 'visible' phase after a keypres 00.38.06 # i see you using 'after' here in the same way i am.. 00.38.19 # But while pressing left/right in quick succession (or holding left/right) it stays visible 00.38.43 # i understand that's how it should work, but it's not working that way for me. 00.38.53 # I also checked on recorder 00.39.04 # let me re-check out and try again.. 00.40.37 Quit Acksaw ("I'm off, see ya later!") 00.40.44 # midkay: yo, the pitch screen ipod wheel handling is a bit awkward 00.40.51 # midkay: very hard to actually fine-tune the value 00.41.40 # preglow, i'm open to suggestions.. yes, it's quite touchy.. hm.. maybe you can thank lostlogic, perhaps, for his keeping-finger-on-the-wheel-triggers-button-repeat thing ;) 00.41.47 # heh, yeah 00.41.52 # i'm a bit ambivalent to that thing 00.41.57 # sometimes it's great, sometimes it isn't 00.42.11 # exactly, same here. 00.42.27 # nice in lists.. i do *not* like it changing some settings, though. 00.42.40 # hmm 00.42.42 # no 00.42.49 # i also like it in the jpeg viewer 00.42.56 # makes it easier to not overshoot changing zoom level 00.43.18 # preglow, well, i don't use the jpg viewer a lot :) i can't remember all the things i do and do not like it for, but i think the lists are about even. 00.43.21 # but yeah, for some settings it's not as good 00.43.23 # no good examples come to mind, just little things., 00.43.39 Quit JBGood25 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.43.42 # Well, in most places I like the wheel behaviour. But I still find the wheel a bit irritating in general 00.44.08 # Sometimes I put my thumb on it, move it - and nothing happens 00.44.11 # so ... did anyone fix mpc playback, or am i going to have to go back to friday or sat? 00.44.12 # anyways, i think this is the only way to do it adequately.. you can change the value quickly, and you can fine-tune it if you need, but not too easily, and you get your +/- 2% thing. 00.44.31 # Have the same problem with touchpads from time to time 00.45.03 # clearly the touchwheel hates you ;) 00.45.50 Part mooseboy 00.46.04 Quit skwad ("Parti") 00.47.13 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 00.50.50 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@host-84-9-146-179.bulldogdsl.com) 00.51.06 # hi 00.53.11 # hmmm... if you try to save fmradio presets and don't give an extension, a hard freeze follows... 00.53.42 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 00.55.11 # does anyone know if i can use both rockbox and ipodlinux? 00.56.20 Quit RedBreva_ ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 00.56.43 # romanos_melodos: sure you can... 00.57.25 # petur: you should give a filename :P 00.57.46 # I must see where this bug is, but not know I must sleep. 00.57.53 # know = now 00.58.09 # eh, i think i'll work on a savestate system for c64box right now 00.58.25 # as i can't find any other formats 00.59.17 # freezes with or without dircache 00.59.55 # what should i do, a single savestate kind of thing, where you don't have to choose to save, or a multiple savestate one? 00.59.56 # petur: probably the save handling cause makes some strange things when it tries to force the setting file. 01.00.14 # petur: does this occur in both a custom fmr folder or/and the default folder? 01.00.21 # am bughunting now 01.00.40 # I fixed the max length thing and now this 01.00.56 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.2 - www.xchat.org, XC-WSys 0.18") 01.00.58 # has anyone managed to install both rockbox and ipodlinux on his ipod? does it runs smoothly? 01.02.10 # http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 01.02.18 # is this were i have to look at? 01.02.24 Join RedBreva [0] (n=mark@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 01.02.58 Join Poka64 [0] (i=Poka64@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 01.04.01 Quit romanos_melodos () 01.04.08 # wow... settings.c set_file() goes hunting for the extension dot and will look in the whole memoryspace if it needs to :/ 01.05.37 # I just copied that part of the code, from the rest integrated formats 01.05.52 # so will this hang any format saving? (wps, cfg) 01.06.09 # i have an urge to just write the structs to the file... but... :( 01.06.16 # talking to me? 01.06.30 # petur:yes 01.06.40 # i'm talking to myself! :D 01.06.51 # hehe 01.07.18 # it can only happen if the user must enter a filename that also gets stored in settings - so Fm radio only afaik 01.07.56 # should i store a checksum in the saved-state? 01.08.29 # you'll add it sooner or later :) 01.08.41 # true 01.08.43 # petur I just saved an fmr file to root without the '.fmr' and it didn't crashed for me. 01.09.09 # should it be like, a single byte checksum? seems like that'd probably be enough to check for errors... 01.09.10 # let me try 01.09.27 # yup it crashes on the default folder 01.09.39 # because this is the only file that set_file is called 01.10.09 # yups 01.10.13 # sorry I meant the only dir 01.10.21 # saving the file elsewhere doesn't store the name 01.10.29 # exactly 01.10.57 # the same bug doesn't happen for .cfg files 01.11.24 # those aren't written to settings 01.12.07 # ah yes 01.12.24 # hopefully this is not my bug :) 01.12.28 # But I am not sure 01.13.06 # I must sleep, I think I got a fever 01.13.10 # Night all! 01.14.14 # g'night. 01.15.00 Quit herz42 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 01.15.15 # right, the extension is needed it seems 01.21.30 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.21.34 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@host-84-9-146-179.bulldogdsl.com) 01.21.57 Quit hotwire (Connection timed out) 01.22.30 Join hotwire [0] (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 01.22.37 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 01.23.07 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 01.26.08 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.26.17 # hmm... what type of checksum should i do? er, size of checksum... 01.27.53 # night 01.28.20 # night preggers ;) 01.29.17 # there's one in RB already I think, copy that one? 01.29.38 # it's really just one to make sure everything's like, there... 01.30.13 Quit RedBreva (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.30.37 # an xor byte checksum seems like it'd be okay... 01.31.58 # i was just wondering if anyone had any objections to it. 01.32.29 Quit voltagex ("Lost terminal") 01.35.27 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.36.26 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.15 Quit Bou-divx ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 01.38.23 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 01.38.38 Join goffa_ [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 01.38.49 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-216-213.dsl.pipex.com) 01.39.07 Quit goffa (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 01.39.58 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 01.41.18 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 01.45.45 Quit hotwire (Connection timed out) 01.46.32 Join hotwire [0] (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 01.48.25 # hi! Does anyone knows how can i install ipodlinux on my ipod nano? I'm already using rockbox 01.48.36 Quit TeaSea (Remote closed the connection) 01.49.14 # romanos_melodos: you might try the ipod linux channel, or reading their wiki... or reading some forum posts by people who have done it rather then repeating yourself over and over... 01.49.27 # romanos_melodos, linux.bin goes in the root, and you need the ext3 partition. hold play on boot and it will boot linux.bin. the rest is up to you. 01.51.02 # midkay, have u managed get it working? 01.51.11 # romanos_melodos, indeed i have. 01.51.17 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.30 # http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 01.51.39 # found my crossfade bug! 01.51.43 # is this link any helpful? 01.51.45 # http://ipodlinux.org/Loader_2 01.52.23 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 01.52.28 Quit actionshrimp ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.01 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.52.30 # romanos_melodos, well, it was no more helpful the second time of those two pastes, nor the first of the two in comparison to the very first.. 01.52.55 # romanos_melodos, i told you, the rockbox bootloader has a keymapping for it: PLAY will boot linux.bin in the root of your iPod. the rest is up to you. 01.53.23 # i'm sorry , i'm quite confused 01.53.41 # about what? 01.54.26 # so, can i just download the windows ipodlinux installer without making any partitions and the installer will do everything for me? 01.54.49 # hm, that depends on the installer. 01.55.15 # i told you how the rockbox bootloader will get linux going for you. if you want to ask about installing iPL itself, this is not the place to ask... 01.56.08 # i just don't want to mess everything 01.56.18 # what have u done on yours? 01.56.29 # can u send me a link or something? 01.57.44 # any coldfire users still haunting want to test a patch? 01.57.47 # installed linux.bin in my root, set up the ext3 partition and unzipped pz2 and modules there. i use the rockbox bootloader. it wasn't too easy, and IMO not really worth it. if it sounds like it might be tricky, use the installer or don't use ipodlinux. 02.00.45 # what if i delete rockbox and use the ipodlinux installer to install ipodlinux and then reinstall rockbox? 02.02.20 # the only thing that frustrates me is how the hell i'm going to manage the partitions.. 02.02.37 # if you mean reinstall the bootloader, that may work. i'm not quite familiar with what the iPL installers do, there seems to be a large number of them, all third-party.. 02.03.04 # if you're uncomfortable with it all, stay out of it or have somebody else do it for you 02.03.04 Join [TCK] [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-239-230.dsl.pipex.com) 02.03.27 # nah 02.03.33 # i'm going for it 02.03.47 # then go ask the IPL people how to... 02.04.02 # screw the ipl people 02.04.05 # romanos_melodos, the installation will probably not be a breeze. the installers will probably help, but i doubt it will work exactly as you hope. 02.04.21 # well.. 02.04.23 # romanos_melodos, well, screw them, but you won't get much help here. :) 02.04.33 # so unscrew them, or figure it out.. 02.04.46 # i'll give it a shot guys and i'll let u know 02.04.52 # Bagder? 02.04.59 # btw , is it worth it? 02.05.06 # hahahahaha 02.05.10 # i mean installing ipl 02.05.27 # :P 02.05.56 # never been near it as this is #rockbox and I have an iriver 340 02.06.29 # that's why this isn't *the* place for ipl questions :P 02.06.49 # amiconn ? 02.07.15 # yes? 02.07.34 # romanos_melodos, it wasn't worth it for me, no, not much at all. 02.07.35 # is it bad when building for recorder that it says 'removing UCL file again, making it a fake one' 02.07.50 # I mean, did I cause it? 02.07.58 # It should tell you why it does this 02.08.09 # installed it probably two months ago. no audio playback, slowish UI.. looked rather nice, but nothing more. 02.08.21 # output is 2972 bytes larger than max 02.08.35 # for recorder v1??? 02.08.40 # fm 02.08.44 # Ah, yes 02.08.56 # I didn't add that much... 02.09.04 # We are now above the limit for rombox :( 02.09.11 # No it wasn't you 02.09.16 # phew 02.09.31 # Has been like that for at least 2 weeks 02.09.39 # going to commit the fm preset fix... 02.09.44 # The code is in urgent need of cleanup... 02.10.14 # fm/v2 are currently above limit, and v1 isn't that far away anymore... :( 02.10.37 Join hotwire_ [0] (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 02.11.18 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 02.12.58 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 02.13.25 # amiconn, btw, re checked-out and the blinking cursor was fixed. weird, since i didn't modify keyboard.c, there was no reason it wouldn't be updated with cvs up. 02.14.04 # maybe you've used -D on it? 02.15.04 Quit muesliiiii (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.16.09 Join elinenbe [0] (n=elinenbe@207-237-225-94.c3-0.nyr-ubr1.nyr.ny.cable.rcn.com) 02.16.32 # -dP.. 02.17.23 # does cvs status on it say anything special? 02.19.03 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.19.47 # up-to-date.. 02.19.55 # hmm... i'm tempted to just write the needed structs/arrays to the saved state file, and have a byte to be set whether it's in little or big-endian format... sound good? 02.21.41 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.22.49 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp123-179.adsl.forthnet.gr) 02.24.07 # if I subtract one short * from another short *, is the result the distance between them in shorts, or in bytes? Shorts, right? 02.24.27 # bytes 02.24.38 # no? 02.24.39 Quit gursikh () 02.24.50 # oh wait 02.24.52 # lostlogic: shorts 02.25.04 # hehe, thanks :) 02.25.04 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-9.VIC.netspace.net.au) 02.25.18 # sorry, have been doing the same here with char* :/ 02.25.23 # crossfade_sample = 02.25.24 # (size_t)(output_buf - (short *)(crossfade_chunk->addr)); 02.25.25 # well, if you're wrong, then you probably know what the answer is :D 02.25.31 # so that makes sense if smaples are shorts, right? :) 02.25.51 Quit romanos_melodos () 02.26.12 # assuming output_buf is a short * 02.26.38 Quit hotwire (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.26.44 # I don't know the code at all of course 02.27.46 # hehe, it is a short * :) 02.27.55 # lostlogic: sorry for the confusion, I'm off to bed anyway :) (2:27 here already) 02.28.30 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 02.29.47 # before i add something to test for big or little endianness, is there a define anywhere in the source specifying it for the processor? 02.30.08 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 02.30.52 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 02.33.41 # lostlogic: maybe I'm misreading but I think the result will be sizeof (short *) which I'm guessing is 4 bytes ? 02.35.56 Join zelfric [0] (n=tharg@tor/session/external/x-ff3a9879e7405fc4) 02.37.09 # sharpe: autoconf.h (included with config.h, so practically always) defines ROCKBOX_BIG_ENDIAN or ROCKBOX_LITTLE_ENDIAN, respectively 02.37.39 # Hardcoded for targets, detected by configure for sims 02.38.34 # okay 02.39.30 # hardeep: so short *x; short *y; size_t samples = y-x; <-- that code gives the distance between x and y in memory in what units? 02.39.59 # whatever the size of pointers is 02.40.18 # size_t should be fine 02.40.32 # shouldn't it be the size of the things the pointers point to? 02.40.54 # I want the unit of samples to be sizeof(short)s 02.41.05 # no, 'cause you're doing arithmetic on the pointers 02.41.12 # that's retarded if that's the case. 02.41.25 # because y++ would increase y by sizeof(short) 02.41.44 # hmmm, that's true 02.42.09 # heh, need to test now 02.42.24 Join JBGood25 [0] (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) 02.42.39 # Hmm, sh-elf-gcc 3.3.6 -Os generated binaries seem to only have the one quirk I already knew, and a workaround exists 02.43.04 # Let's see where gcc 3.4.6 goofs... 02.43.08 # in the meantime, design question: What is crossfade mix mode supposed to do? Mix the tracks unfaded, or fade in track 2 with an unfaded track1? 02.44.29 # -Os on Tremor made the performance much worse for me (ipod nano) 02.44.51 # That's not swcodec... 02.45.03 # lostlogic: i'm wrong, looks like it does account for the sizeof pointer 02.45.28 # lostlogic: When in dounbt, I usually check the assembly 02.45.35 # *doubt 02.46.20 # amiconn: indeed. 02.46.44 # hardeep: phew, now I can join amiconn loving pointer math :) 02.47.43 # and i've got a new interview question =) 02.48.22 # hardeep: too bad I work at a Java shop :( 02.50.42 Join ad543a [0] (n=chatzill@200.35.111.139) 02.51.34 # nite! 02.52.37 # language spoken? 02.53.09 # not a nice welcome..... 02.53.29 # x a girl 02.55.40 # Hrmpf. An sh-elf-gcc 3.4.6 -Os binary gives I09:CPUAdrEr at DEADBEEF :( 02.55.53 # well, that's kind of funny 02.56.24 # Why the heck does the code try to use DEADBEEF as an (unaligned) memory address? 02.56.40 # hmm... 02.56.46 # really bad chance? 02.56.53 # This is the stack fill value... 02.57.06 # Now someone please give me a backtrace... 02.58.18 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-155-225.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 02.58.35 # gcc seems to take some shortcuts it shouldn't... 03.00.21 # woah. it's nine o'clock for me. 03.01.00 # just kind of unexpected... 03.04.40 Part midgey34 03.07.14 Quit ad543a ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 03.13.37 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 03.26.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.26.47 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 03.33.37 # the manual has crossfade mix mode backwards from the way the feature is programmed. 03.40.35 Quit hardeep ("Connection reset by beer") 04.06.18 # Opinion solicited: Is it worse to lose some performance by fading samples in place and then memcpying them to the audio buffer during fade-in (without mixing), or have more complex and more duplication in code? 04.10.26 # whats your take on good inexpensive headphones that's better than iaudio's 04.10.42 # define inexpensive, and do you want in-ear, earbud, or over ear? 04.12.51 # usb or stereo? 04.12.54 # well I dn't like things in my ear 04.12.58 Quit hotwire_ (Connection timed out) 04.13.04 # it's for teh x5l just looking at better phones 04.13.25 # whether it hangs from my ear or goes over is fine 04.14.00 # I heard the default ones arent too good 04.14.02 Join zigford [0] (n=jesse@c220-239-79-205.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) 04.14.05 # and hurt their ears 04.14.11 # Koss KSC-35s/75s are pretty much the standard for quality, cheap headphones. They're clipons. 04.14.20 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 04.15.00 # I have something like these: http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=MDRXD300&Dept=audio&CategoryName=pa_PADepartmentAccessories_Headphones_CDSeries%2fStudioMonitor 04.15.22 # and I liek them, but they look dorky... very comfortable and long cord, good for at home... 04.15.31 # sony=[thumbs down] 04.15.40 # but they are probably nice headphones 04.15.43 Join hotwire_ [0] (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 04.15.43 # heh 04.15.45 Nick hotwire_ is now known as hotwire (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 04.18.02 # how do you like the bass on the KSC-75 04.18.10 # $19.99 isn't bad for those 04.18.28 # I have 35s (same or extremely similar drivers) 04.18.37 # Bass is powerful, but not overpowering to me 04.18.45 # I'd consider them more 'fun' than 'accurate' 04.22.30 # office depot has koss but im not usre on the model 04.23.11 # * lostlogic sits back and enjoys his shure E3 in-ear monitors :-P 04.24.14 # anything other than www.ultimateears.com is lame 04.24.43 # IEMs are an acquired taste. 04.24.53 # newegg doesn't have KOSS. 04.24.57 # AHH what a travesty 04.25.01 # >.< 04.25.38 # kinda funny newegg still calles the Cowon X5L an Jetaudio. Guess they havn't gotten the memo on the brand 04.25.55 # Microphonics annoy me, and I'm mainly a portable listener. Its not the best idea walking around campus when you can't hear. 04.26.44 Nick dpassen is now known as dpassen1 (n=dpassen1@resnet-236-163.resnet.UMBC.EDU) 04.28.30 # oh yeah Ultimate Ears® UE-10 Pro 04.28.36 # if I only had $900 04.28.37 # lol 04.28.46 # Galois: ... why do you prefer UE to Shure? 04.29.04 # well, I would lend you mine, so you can hear for yourself, ... except, our ears are probably shaped differently 04.29.07 # any coldfire users? 04.29.34 # Galois: you've used shure's comparably priced IEMs and prefer UE? 04.29.48 # shure doesn't have any $900 headphones 04.30.05 # then have you compared to their top of the line? 04.30.22 # actually, no 04.30.50 # personally, I'm probably going to get a pair of shure e500s when they come out, and then get custom ear moulds made. 04.31.10 # I compared some shures, but their higher end headphones did not exist back when I bought mine 04.31.34 # *nod* 04.31.45 # * zelfric <- ksc35,portapro,ATH-EW9,SR-60,RS-2,HD-580,CD3000 04.31.59 # hehe :) 04.32.34 # Galois: I wonder what people who have used both would say... you're probably right that you pay for what you get and the UEs are the best. 04.33.46 # * dpassen1 <- KSC35, Sennheiser PX100, Shure e2c, Audio Technica ATH-EC7 04.36.40 # are there seriously no coldfire users out ther? 04.38.34 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.38.36 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 04.48.23 # seenheiser look good for headphones under $50 04.48.34 # the PX100 04.51.10 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.75) 04.51.46 Quit hotwire (Connection timed out) 04.52.30 Join hotwire_ [0] (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 04.52.32 Nick hotwire_ is now known as hotwire (n=hotwire@d226-49-237.home.cgocable.net) 04.56.11 # would the ATH-EM7GM be better than the Senn's PX-100 04.57.00 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@adsl-68-93-75-171.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 04.59.21 # hello 05.01.18 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB2CFD0.ipt.aol.com) 05.06.31 Quit [TCK] (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.14.01 # hey 05.14.16 # What language of the country is 'Huvudfunktioner'? 05.14.49 # What language of the country? I don't understand that question. 05.15.11 # it's a trick question 05.15.38 # Language of what country 05.16.16 # sweden 05.16.36 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.16.41 # Do you know Swedish? 05.16.46 # No 05.16.50 # hmm 05.17.10 # huvud,haubudam,haupt,head... 05.17.21 # anyone know Swedish? 05.17.34 # but i know Search Engine, that word appears mostly on Swedish webpages.. So I can infer Sweden..... 05.17.37 # alla svenskar suger fett..!! :-) 05.17.57 # infer... 05.19.13 # ...no 05.19.26 # hey zelfric, what is fett? 05.20.35 # hmm, should be fat or greasy or sumthing like that... 05.21.09 # riiight.. 05.24.00 # hur är läget pojken? 05.24.27 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 05.25.25 # zelfric: what situation? 05.26.14 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.26.31 # haha 05.27.34 Part nave7693 05.27.37 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 05.28.21 # just checking what condition your condition was in... ,) 05.28.50 # right: Online translator not helping too much :-P 05.28.58 # * zelfric slaps gursikh around a bit with a small surströmming 05.29.14 # I have a bad headache already, no need for that. 05.30.13 # large glass of hot alcohol helps wonders agains headache, works every time... :*) 05.31.26 # and actually, i've seen surströmming before. However I do not imbibe in alcohol at all, so couldn't try it (same goes for your last comment) 05.33.02 # you eat it with that thin bready stuff right? 05.33.05 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 05.33.21 # surströmming is usually smelled before it is seen... ;) 05.33.32 # HAhaha, true 05.34.06 # i dont know how you just eat rotten fish like that. 05.34.52 # lostlogic: I'm sure you'll love me for this, but I still get lockups on cvs uped build 05.35.07 # it's the grown-up form of sushi ... ;) 05.35.35 # if by grown-up you mean grown-old and left to fester 05.36.07 # herring needs to ripe, just like wine and cheese... ,) 05.36.25 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.36.58 # I work at a major airline, and I only remember all this stuff because of it. Many airlines have banned it due to it's exploziveness (I still remember laughing out loud at THAT memo) 05.38.02 # I see this in the since25.html page a lot. What is coldfire? 05.38.07 Join zigford__ [0] (n=jesse@c220-239-79-205.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) 05.38.39 # I love how a can of fish is in the same category as a shoe bomb. 05.39.27 # putting it in a can takes away a large part of the fun... ,) 05.40.19 # so if you unpack your sardines, carry them on in a baggie, and then open them midflight, that's ok? 05.40.41 # yeah, but sardines are fine as it is 05.40.45 # midgey34: that, sir, is impossible. 05.41.07 # I removed the clear bug that could cause it! 05.41.14 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 05.41.22 # traditionally, surströmming would be carried in an elk scrotum bag or something like that... ,) 05.41.29 # ick 05.41.34 # they banned the swedish fish because they said that it would explode under pressure (and probably smell more foul than you can imagine) 05.42.00 # biffhero: coldfire is the type of chip in iRiver H3x0, H1x0, and iAudio x5 players 05.42.08 # thx 05.42.19 # elk scrotum bag... you know it's got to be good if it's carried around in the scrotum of a large mammal :-) 05.42.41 # did I read on CVS that we were in the midst of a feature freeze? woo hoo! 05.42.51 # can only add to the aroma.... 05.43.08 # biffhero: it's hardly noticable ;) 05.43.24 # anyone don't know Swedish? 05.43.36 # i think there are plenty of people that dotn 05.43.37 # don't 05.43.40 # I can't wait to see the state of the May3-4 builds though. 05.43.41 # Mikachu: I thought the feature freeze was for a release. not that that will stop me from using cvs. 05.43.52 # lostlogic: if its any consolation, mixing works beautifully 05.43.57 # cvs is what will become the release 05.44.02 # Jungti1234: I hardly understand english (my native tongue), certainly don't understand swedish. 05.44.19 # Jungti1234: are you looking for someone who does understand swedish? 05.44.28 # yes 05.44.29 # midgey34: no, not really, but thanks :-P Seriously, I fixed the bug. I found it, and I fixed it. It can't still be broken. I tested it on ipod, and ipod and coldfire use the same code. 05.45.13 # Jungti1234: i do 05.45.20 # midgey34: do you have an LCD remote that works in rockbox for your device? Want to do some more debugging? 05.45.36 # no I don't have a remote, sorry 05.45.47 # lostlogic: I have h120+Lcd remote 05.45.53 # I've been meaning to pick one up 05.45.58 # gursikh: can you build rockbox? 05.46.01 # yes 05.46.13 # gursikh: I'll post a debugging patch in a moment. 05.46.24 # Ok 05.46.57 # the iPod bootloader is very good 05.47.27 # i was able to follow instructions given on rockbox docs, and install rockbox on my little sister's video iPod hardware 05.47.40 Quit zigford (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.47.46 # lostlogic: the h300-sim still crashes here 05.47.52 Quit Bg3r (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.47.54 # is there an lcd remote for the 5G ipod? 05.48.07 # she would have never used rockbox firmware if it did not initially also allow her to use the original firmware. that was real important for adoption of using rockbox 05.48.09 # midgey34: then you can try the debug too :) 05.48.32 # jnc: agree. that's a great aid in adoption 05.49.24 # midgey34: gursikh: http://www.lostlogicx.com/transfer/rockbox/log_null_fade_chunk.patch <-- apply, build logf, make crossfade crash, let me know what logfs you see. 05.50.43 # ok,let me get a fresh cvs and go to my car to get my DAP 05.50.55 # what do y'all think of video iPod hardware? consider marks of audio quality, and using rockbox, as compared to other possible hardware 05.51.14 # jnc: love mine 05.54.40 Quit zelfric ("g`nite pholx") 05.56.06 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.59.33 # lostlogic: last time the sim crashed before I could see what the remote said 05.59.47 # this time while running it, pcm keeps restarting 05.59.59 # joy. 06.00.10 # oh! I saw something just before it closed 06.00.29 # "NULL chunk in delay" 06.00.52 # that's jus tdarling, HOW THE FUCK DID IT GET NULL? 06.00.54 # * lostlogic kicks coldfire. 06.01.07 # and appologies for the yelling and swearing. 06.01.14 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.02.11 # any chance you saw a message about "extra" and a number? 06.03.18 # hmm, I've gotten it to successfully change tracks twice... 06.03.32 # but all other times resulted in freeze 06.04.15 # *does a coldfire buidl and reads the assembly* 06.05.00 # hmm, now its working fine and I can't get it to crash 06.05.06 # rofllol 06.05.12 # not crashing on me either 06.05.27 # should i use some certain settings? 06.05.38 # midgey34: remember that change I ahd you make the other day with the PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK? try that today, on target. 06.08.58 # gursikh: reliable crashing was had, I believe with crossfade=always/0/5/1/5/crossfade 06.11.28 # just managed to get the sim to crash again but I got no data 06.13.13 # pcmbuf.c:354:s/PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK/24576/ <-- see if dat'll fix it on target or on sim, in case you either forgot, or missed my last request 06.13.32 # * lostlogic has officially crossed from frustrated to angry at this bug :-P 06.13.59 # step on it 06.14.28 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 06.14.31 # scorche: I thought I did... but it must have had some kind of protective shell, because the damn thign is back 06.14.40 # currently testing that other patch 06.15.27 # midgey34: which who, teh one you tested on the sim? That was just debug, no changes to functionality. 06.15.54 # no, the PCMBUF_TARGET_CHUNK one 06.16.15 # and I've gotten lockups twice 06.16.58 # is that better or worse than without the patch? 06.17.16 # ok player just keeps crashing with no message 06.17.22 # hard to tell, it just freezes and requires a reset 06.17.39 # gursikh: you have a logf build on the player and nothing is displaying logf-wise on the remote? 06.17.55 # npe, it crashes, and display on remote goes blank 06.17.59 # midgey34: nod. wtf. 06.18.06 # gursikh: crap. thanks any way. 06.18.19 # I need sleep. I'll crush this bug again tomorrow :O( 06.18.21 # :( 06.18.25 # that's the third crash (I changed crossfade to always 06.18.30 # I need sleep as well 06.18.39 # g'night then 06.18.40 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.18.41 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.18.45 # school in 6 hours woo 06.18.47 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 06.19.44 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.19.45 # np 06.21.29 Quit midgey34 ("Download Gaim: http://gaim.sourceforge.net/") 06.22.14 Join nWr^Suicide_Guy [0] (n=suicideg@c-67-165-166-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.26.12 Nick nWr^Suicide_Guy is now known as Suicide_Guy (n=suicideg@c-67-165-166-179.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 06.31.19 Quit Suicide_Guy () 06.38.32 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-34.VIC.netspace.net.au) 06.39.06 Quit Manoj (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.40.40 Join infamy [0] (n=Infamy@CPE005004804d2e-CM014090207037.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 06.42.23 Part infamy 06.44.31 Quit gursikh (Remote closed the connection) 06.47.08 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-239-230.dsl.pipex.com) 06.52.16 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-75-109.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 06.53.28 # anyone around? 06.53.39 # I'm here 06.53.47 # whats up 06.54.03 # i havnt been here in forever 06.54.25 # i just got rockbox installed on my new ipod 06.57.34 # Mikachu? 06.57.41 # yes? 06.57.46 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 06.58.03 # Why don't you translate to me? 06.58.22 # because you haven't asked me to translate anything 06.58.59 # http://forum.iriver.se/viewtopic.php?t=9077 06.59.20 # i told you that was a bit too much 06.59.26 # and i bet you can find that info in english too 06.59.30 # im thinking about getting audio technica ATH-EM7GM or sennheiser PX-100. Something around $50. Both look good. 06.59.32 # hmm 06.59.42 # whats wrong with babelfish? 07.00.00 # Hotfusion: I haven't tried the AHE-EM7GM, but I have a pair of PX100s I'm *incredibly* fond of. 07.00.08 # ATH, not AHE 07.00.42 # it seems Audio Tech. has a good reputation from the stuff they come out with 07.00.50 # Mikachu: So, can't you do it? 07.00.59 # it's a bit too much 07.01.00 # sorry 07.01.10 # hmm 07.02.13 # Hotfusion: Yeah, but as anyone should tell you, "Don't apply a company's reputation to their products." Everyone has a black sheep or two in their product lineup, so go and see if you can find a review of those phones in particular before making your decision 07.02.37 # yeah I've bene doing that hte past hour heh 07.02.48 # to bad I can't preview them somewhere 07.04.21 # anyone does understand Swedish? 07.06.13 Quit TCK ("well, if you say so.") 07.11.15 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 07.11.49 # Jungti1234: http://www.systransoft.com/index.html 07.12.01 # That will give you an 100% correct translation 07.12.34 # er, not so much no 07.12.46 # I wish my iPod had vansinnigt maffigt sounds. 07.12.58 # Mikachu: You caught me in my web of lies :( 07.15.51 # kapheine: I know there. 07.16.11 # But, it's mistaken. 07.16.22 # How so? 07.17.00 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 07.17.18 # hey linus 07.17.47 # 30 Day FREE Trial Offer 07.17.58 # You may use our world-class software FREE with a 30 day trial. 07.20.14 Join merbanan_ [0] (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 07.20.48 Quit merbanan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.23.52 # that made me laugh 07.24.01 # since when is software "world-class" 07.24.43 # When you have users on 3+ continents, I suppose. 07.24.53 # Willing users, rather than "It's the only choice" like Windows. 07.25.46 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 07.26.18 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.26.30 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 07.29.24 Nick zigford__ is now known as zigford (n=jesse@c220-239-79-205.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) 07.39.54 Quit Seed ("cu, Andre") 07.40.27 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 07.42.51 # Hello, any rockbox devs listening? 07.43.14 # doubtful, what's up? 07.43.27 # we have devs? 07.43.38 Join Bg3r [0] (n=Bager@87.246.10.41) 07.43.39 # i'll be damned.. there's one 07.43.47 # I heard nobody makes anything cool on the X5 ;-) 07.44.08 # I'm just interested in playing with the rockbox source code. I've got the env setup thus far. 07.44.15 # they put rockbox on there 07.45.51 # Got an iPod 4g (grey screen) and want to help out. 07.45.55 # B4gder: :-) 07.46.12 # zigford: you're more than welcome! 07.46.26 # end of the month is near.. feature freeze should end soon :) 07.46.38 # it won't actually end until it's stable 07.46.42 # * B4gder suspects an extension 07.46.47 # * LinusN too 07.47.04 # yeah.. that could be a while 07.47.16 # sounds like june :) 07.47.30 # sounds like a bag of shit ;-) 07.47.34 # juneday! 07.47.58 # you talking about aac playback LinusN? 07.47.58 # * B4gder played all Rockbox games yday 07.48.16 # Unfortunately I've no "C" experience. I'm a keen hacker but have never been down to the programming level. I'm hoping this project might be a good place to start. 07.48.28 # * B4gder was stuck behind an evil proxy and nothing better to do 07.48.31 # goffa_: nah, just repeating a famous quote 07.49.09 # zigford: I'd advice you to start out writing/fixing plugins, as that's kind of the simplest place to start your Rockbox hacking adventures 07.49.30 # goffa_: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/GoldenQuotes 07.50.21 # i like the 2nd quote better :) 07.50.51 # i'd almost consider an ipod now 07.50.58 # whereas before .. never in a million years 07.51.01 # unfortunately I can't find the "they're only making rubbish" mail from the past 07.51.22 # B4gder: Thanks, I will start looking there first. Are bugs (for plugins) posted to the same location? 07.51.23 # one of the find quotes from ancient history 07.51.27 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 07.51.33 # zigford: yeps 07.51.38 # There were probably some rather nice quotes in the slashdot comments. 07.52.01 # yeah, like "why would they do this when ipod's UI is perfect?" 07.52.03 # that was a battle royale of "itunes is awesome" or "itunes sucks" 07.52.47 # and... "you are only talking about a music store" battle 07.52.47 # zigford: There's also a thread in the forums talking about the most popular feature requests Once you get a little better with C you might take an interest in those, as many aren't a *huge* effort. A few even have associated patches that probably just need to be worked on to make them compile (as they're out of date) and then find out what's keeping them from being included. 07.53.10 # B4gder: it this the rubbish quote?: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-archive-2002-09/0586.shtml 07.53.13 # alarm clock seems to be the most requested piece of fluff 07.53.27 # ah! yes it is 07.53.37 # great! 07.53.43 # hehe, good old google "rubbish site:www.rockbox.org inurl:mail" 07.54.06 # nice email 07.54.10 # hasnt there been an alarm feature for years? or is that only on the archos's 07.54.10 # i think we also need the linusn quote about wma that was on misticriver 07.54.25 # i dunno 07.54.32 # but that forum seemed to show the need :) 07.54.39 # or want i should say 07.54.44 # because i sure don't need it 07.54.47 # BTW: Ever since I got my iPod I had been wishing it would play ogg vorbis. Thanks for all the work that has been done so far. Its great. 07.55.07 # i want crazy things like configurable buttons and flawless playback :) 07.55.32 # goffa_: all things can be had with time. 07.55.39 # (and money :) ) 07.55.40 # yeah 07.55.50 # well not all 07.55.53 # there, I added the rubbish quote to that page now 07.56.00 # :) 07.56.04 # it still makes me laugh 07.56.09 # yeah 07.57.09 # scott666: Only on Archos. Nobody's got the feature enabled on H300 or iPods (if it can be, I understand it depends on the RTC hardware and such) 07.57.44 Part Paul_The_Nerd 07.58.07 # i didn't buy an alarm clock and i dont want to play doom :) 07.58.49 # i could have a lot of fun with the asprin/gameboy thing 07.59.19 # * ashridah notes that someone actually DID implement a gameboy, eventually :) 07.59.29 # yeah 07.59.35 # and smaller and larger fontns 08.00.30 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 08.00.47 # and more rubbish 08.00.55 # how we love rubbish! 08.01.04 # wasn't he complaining that someone had in fact written rockboy? 08.01.04 # more rubbish to the x5! 08.01.13 # Mikachu: check the date 08.01.25 # 02 08.01.34 # i have no idea when you wrote rockboy 08.01.41 # years afterwards 08.01.54 # right, he was just complaining about the games in general then 08.02.00 # Rockbox was rather basic in '02 08.02.24 # and that triggered the thought, "hey why not?" 08.02.27 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 08.02.29 # <- just guessing :) 08.05.26 Quit RotAtoR ("zzzzzzzz") 08.10.13 # mmood gorning :) 08.10.29 # guess it is 08.10.47 # i should really get to bed 08.10.56 # have to be at work at 7 08.11.21 # 12:12 now 08.12.08 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 08.13.36 Join webguest97 [0] (n=de9911ec@labb.contactor.se) 08.13.43 # hi 08.13.46 # I've got a problem 08.13.50 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 08.13.58 # how do I get back to my list of music once I've played a song? 08.14.10 # press menu? 08.14.10 # me too! 08.14.14 # the main music list, in terms of directory looking 08.14.18 # nope, doesn't work 08.14.22 # ah 08.14.28 # it just goes back to the directory listing, but not the top 08.14.32 # NAVI 08.14.35 # I have two directies 08.14.36 # what player do you have? 08.14.42 # ipod 08.14.44 # hahaha 08.14.44 # video 08.14.54 Quit webguest97 (Client Quit) 08.15.11 Join webguest31 [0] (n=de9911ec@labb.contactor.se) 08.15.19 # the top of what? 08.15.20 # POS this irc cgi this is 08.15.33 # well, I have two directories; Blondie and Coldplay 08.15.40 # I go into Blondie, to play a tune 08.15.48 # but I can't back to the top level so I can access Coldplay 08.16.14 # webguest31: Hit Select to get back to the music browser. 08.16.22 # webguest31: Then just use Left and Right to browse like normal. 08.17.06 # hey, I found some problem. 08.17.25 # I have screenshot. 08.17.26 Quit swampcow (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 08.17.38 # aye? 08.17.57 # good lord 08.17.59 # please 08.18.05 # it isn't working 08.18.16 # I play a tune, now I want to get back to where my directories are lsited 08.18.29 # I can only get back to the music held in the blondie directory 08.18.47 # I want to get back to the top where blondie and coldplay are listed 08.19.02 # I shouldn't need to reboot the bloody thing everytime I want to get back to the root of the file system 08.19.34 # * B4gder just looks at webguest31 08.19.43 # oh, and the forward/back thing isn't working either 08.20.27 # hey 08.20.28 # http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060425-001448.PNG 08.21.24 # can any one help me? 08.22.32 Quit webguest31 ("CGI:IRC") 08.22.37 # press left? 08.22.38 Join webguest74 [0] (n=de9911ec@labb.contactor.se) 08.22.47 # oh, who is the owner of this irc channel? 08.22.59 # why? 08.23.03 # freenode :) 08.23.13 # because I can't access this room via freenode.net 08.23.20 # it keeps saying that I'm banned from this room 08.23.31 # i guess there is a reason then 08.23.40 # explain 08.23.44 # being this my first time 08.23.52 # having never used that nickname in this room before 08.24.07 # the fact that if I change my nickname, it doesn't change the situation 08.24.16 # the banning is not based on the nick 08.24.16 # webguest74: then your host mask simply matches one of those we've previously had to bad 08.24.18 # ban 08.24.33 # but we should be able to remove most of them 08.24.41 Mode "#RockBox +o B4gder " by ChanServ (ChanServ@services.) 08.24.49 Mode "#RockBox -b *!*@*.jetstream.xtra.co.nz " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.24.54 Mode "#RockBox -b *!*user@82.67.68.* " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.25.04 Mode "#RockBox -b *!*@host181-166.pool80116.interbusiness.it " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.25.07 Mode "#RockBox -b *!*@host94-10.pool8251.interbusiness.it " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.25.48 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.26.08 Mode "#RockBox -b *!*Yu-Gi-oH@*.jvece204.dial.brasiltelecom.net.br " by B4gder (n=daniel@rockbox/developer/bagder) 08.26.56 Join kaiwai [0] (n=kaiwai@222-153-17-236.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) 08.26.59 # hi :) 08.27.09 # thank you for that :) 08.27.16 Quit webguest74 (Client Quit) 08.27.18 # I can finally avoid the web thing like the plague 08.28.20 # well, anyway, back to the problem; I have two directories listed at the top, blondie and Coldplay, I enter one, see all my music listed, then go and play a song. The problem is when I try to get back to my directory listing, I can't :( 08.28.43 # the problem is made worse that just trying to get back to the music files in blondie is a saga and a half 08.28.44 # lostlogic: The freeze with crossfade on coldfire is still reproducable with your latest fix :-( With a logf build as per your yesterday's instructions: 'NULL fade out chunk' in the second place in pcmbuf.c 08.28.54 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_to_control_Rockbox_on_the_iP 08.29.44 # kaiwai: What happens when you press Left when you're in one of the folders? 08.31.15 # rebooting ipod (again) 08.31.46 Join RedBreva_ [0] (n=mark@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 08.32.09 # hmm 08.32.13 # thats the problem 08.32.20 # the f*cking thing won't go back if the song is paused 08.32.29 # someone needs to fix that bug 08.33.05 # you mean it works when it plays but not when paused? 08.33.11 # kaiwai: Define "back" 08.33.14 # nope, it works when stopped 08.33.17 # kaiwai: I can still browse just fine with my music paused. 08.33.25 # well, mine can't 08.33.35 # kaiwai: What *happens* when you press "Left" in the file tree then? 08.33.36 # I can only get back to my listed songs in the blondie directory 08.33.51 # ok, I'll play something, pause it 08.34.14 # you don't need to pause it, you can go back to the file browser while the music is playing 08.34.25 # adoesn't even work 08.34.32 # what? 08.34.40 # kaiwai: Okay, tell me exactly what buttons you're pressing, and what happens when you do 08.34.41 # played the song, menu, goes back to this settings menu 08.34.52 # kaiwai: We said to press "select" not "menu" 08.34.53 # reboot iPod (AGAIN!) 08.35.01 # Why do you keep rebooting? 08.35.06 # you don't read what we write, do you? 08.35.12 # yes I do 08.35.14 # you just blurb on 08.35.20 # listen to me: I have two directories 08.35.24 # You haven't actually answered a question that's been asked of you 08.35.26 # one is called Blondie 08.35.30 # And you have said that you're pressing the wrong button 08.35.30 # the other is Coldplay 08.35.36 # then answer Paul's questions 08.36.18 # yes, if I don't play a song, I can go back between the root and blondie directory 08.36.24 # using the left buttom 08.36.26 # *button 08.36.31 # kaiwai: I didn't ask that. 08.36.47 # kaiwai: I asked what happens when you're in the filetree while music is paused or playing, and you press left. 08.37.12 # kaiwai: But then, since you can't get to the filetree by way of the "Menu" key, I'm sorta curious why you're pressing that. 08.37.16 # music is playing 08.37.23 # I press the paus button 08.37.36 # I press the menu key 08.37.40 # No 08.37.40 # no 08.37.40 # aaaaa 08.37.42 # * B4gder faints 08.37.44 # The menu key takes you to the MENU 08.37.52 # You press the *select* key from the While Playing Screen. 08.38.05 # B4gder, i made a new icon for the windows installer on the download page.. 08.38.23 # the middle button 08.38.25 # nothing happens 08.38.29 # midkay: woo! 08.38.38 # B4gder, i came across it and *had* to do something :) 08.38.50 # kaiwai: At the while playing screen? (the one that shows what's playing right now)? 08.38.58 # yeap 08.39.11 # the song is playing right now 08.39.18 # kaiwai: Okay, pause it, then hit the middle button. 08.39.35 # Bagder: Now someone needs to actually fix the installer builds... 08.39.51 # B4gder, http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/8919/install6yl.png 08.39.52 # pause icon appears 08.40.03 # middle button pressed, nothing happens 08.40.04 # hey zakk 08.40.10 # amiconn: well, we "need" to have them iriver adjusted too 08.40.11 # scotty :) 08.40.17 # im back with an ipod 08.40.21 # yes 08.40.23 # finally appears 08.40.29 # scott666, same :) 08.40.43 # something isn't kosher with that code 08.40.49 # hello? http://jungti1234.netcci.net/rockbox/dump%20060425-001448.PNG 08.40.57 # kaiwai: It works fine for everyone else. Maybe your button is just a bit gummy. 08.41.05 # no, its the speed of it 08.41.05 # It's bug. 08.41.12 # it takes a while 08.41.14 # and without dir cache you need to wait for disk spinup 08.41.15 # a little too 'while' 08.41.25 # kaiwai: It happens instantly for me, and most other people. As I said, maybe your button's a bit worn. 08.41.25 # how do you dircache it? 08.41.55 # how does a worn button result in a slow change? 08.41.59 # it either works or doesn't 08.42.00 # kaiwai: Ah yes, disk spin up. Forgot about that. As for Dircache, that and many other topics like "Basic Controls" are covered in the manual 08.42.04 # Jungti1234: nice bug :-) 08.42.09 # :) 08.42.10 # hmm 08.42.12 # oh well, 08.42.15 # kaiwai: Well, you *were* saying that the button wasn't doing anything at all for a while. 08.42.18 # atleast I can play my oggs 08.42.31 # Pau* because the speed was so crap-tacular 08.42.33 # midkay: fixed, thanks! 08.42.58 # anyway, all done 08.42.59 # B4gder, cool :) no problem.. 08.43.01 # kaiwai: "anything at all" to me also means "never" 08.43.01 # off for dinner 08.43.06 # kaiwai: Anyway, if you use dircache the contents of the filetree will cache in ram and load much more quickly 08.43.08 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 08.43.12 # * midkay hunts for more :) 08.45.12 Join Gargamal1 [0] (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 08.46.59 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 08.47.36 # crap. 08.48.03 # Just found that settings aren't saved before rolo 08.48.06 # midkay: if you can think of something "nice" to use instead of the little rockbox logo for the source packages on the daily/bleeding tables it would be cool. something more in the same shape like the others 08.48.26 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.48.28 # B4gder, i did notice that and was/am thinking about it :) 08.48.41 # The iPod Mini pictures still have one *glaring* flaw 08.49.03 # B4gder, that reminds me.. any plans on changing the "open source jukebox firmware" on the main site and logo? it's for far more than the archoses by now... might be a little misleading is all. 08.49.05 # the blue? 08.49.10 # The Rockbox logo is grayscale... One a _blue_ background, yes. :) 08.49.12 # Paul_The_Nerd, the more-than-4-shades? 08.49.15 # oh. haha. 08.49.21 # =) 08.49.24 # the logo is not the same anyways.. 08.49.37 # Paul_The_Nerd: hehe, true 08.49.52 # the mini pics are indeed bad mockups 08.49.55 # midkay: Yeah, but you can pretend about the logo. It'd be pretty impressive if we managed to get blue out of the LCD. 08.50.13 # Paul_The_Nerd, or i could whip up a correct one as far as background and logo :) 08.50.24 # Hehehe, or that. :-P 08.50.37 # * amiconn gently points towards his mini 2g scan on http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DeviceChart 08.50.38 # Alright folks, we need at *least* 5 builds without any errors or warnings. 08.51.05 # Imho it even looks better - silver instead of green... 08.51.11 # Oooh, that is a nice one. 08.51.18 Quit Gargamale (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.51.23 # but the screen is very dark 08.51.30 # amiconn, nice! i can size that down and fix up the LCD a bit if you don't mind.. 08.51.42 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 08.51.45 # The LCD is already fixed up 08.51.58 # This is a scan 08.52.08 # (like the archos ones) 08.52.27 # amiconn, i mean lighten it a little.. 08.52.57 # The screen is no different to all the other greyscale targets... I say keep it as it is. 08.53.00 # It's already lightened a lot, even though I had the backlight enabled during the scan 08.53.07 # hehe 08.53.11 # hm, if you wish :) 08.53.19 # The silver is so bright that the lcd was almost black 08.53.46 # hm, looks rather nice lighter.. i could size it down and provide a standard and lighter version.. 08.54.42 # I put amiconn's version there now until we see midkay's attempt 08.55.17 # cool.. few mins should be all. 08.55.26 # damn, mouse batteries just died.. 08.55.31 # haha 08.55.36 # I use lithiums 08.55.43 # last long time :) 08.55.50 # My mouse is wired. 08.55.50 # the beaty of cordless mice 08.55.55 # It lasts as long as my computer. 08.55.56 # :-P 08.56.18 # anyone who has a cordless mouse, and doesnt use rechargable batteries is an idiot 08.56.26 # I went back to wired mouse too, I couldn't be annoyed with cordless 08.56.34 # until you drop it, or the optical goes out, pull the cord/yank from the computer 08.56.39 # B4gder, exactly.. it goes out only at opportune moments.. once when i was right in the middle of an intense multiplayer FPS game a while back.. now when i'm about to get into some groovy photoshopping.. :( 08.56.41 # :) 08.56.51 # *damn*... *searches for replacements* 08.56.52 # i find that a cord is more annoying 08.56.57 # I'll replace the H300 image with a scan in a few minutes 08.57.11 # nice 08.57.13 # This scan required heavy adjustment of the lcd 08.57.30 # ...even though it was scanned with maximum backlight brightness 08.57.50 # midkay: and having a battery charger by your feet with replacements at the ready is nice too ;) 08.58.14 # scorche, i bet it *would* be if i had such a setup. :) 08.58.18 # Hotfusion: Optical can go out on *any* mouse though. As well as dropping it. So the only real concern is pulling out the cord, which is fine if you're decent with cable management. 08.58.24 Join aliask [0] (n=chatzill@c210-49-190-113.eburwd8.vic.optusnet.com.au) 08.58.40 # * Paul_The_Nerd has nothing against wireless. 08.58.42 # It's just not for me 08.59.05 # i just cant stand bluetooth wireless 08.59.12 # for keyboards 08.59.17 # well paul 08.59.20 # that's not always true 08.59.21 # too insecure.....it bugs me 08.59.27 # cables to ten to get tangled by themselves 08.59.28 # lol 08.59.31 # tend* 08.59.49 # Cables don't move on their own. 08.59.55 # sure they dont 09.00.04 # I think my do 09.00.19 # just never when I look at them 09.00.27 # i havent had a wired mouse/keyboard since 2000 (excluding servers) 09.00.28 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 09.00.29 # B4gder: Yes, but we've been experimenting on yours. 09.00.37 # I KNEW IT! 09.00.59 # Just... y'know... Don't fall asleep too near them 09.01.26 # k, i didn't want to make it too bright.. this looks like a nice lhttp://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1195/ipodminit7wf.jpgightness to me. what do you guys think? 09.01.27 # or have flammable liquids/gases near them 09.01.28 # oops. 09.01.29 # http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1195/ipodminit7wf.jpg 09.01.44 # * midkay turns red 09.02.06 Join pondlife [0] (n=pondlife@86.21.225.217) 09.02.47 # yes, it looks a bit better 09.03.01 # i think a few others could use work, too. 09.03.24 # most of the color LCD ones look rather fabricated. 09.03.38 # I think they all are 09.03.38 # There. 09.04.00 # H300 doesn't look fabricated anymore 09.04.18 # it doesn't? 09.04.21 # :S 09.04.56 # what color is h100's backlight? 09.04.59 # green or bluish-white? 09.05.34 # blue-violet-ish 09.05.38 # Rather dark 09.06.04 # midkay: Check the devicechart... 09.06.27 # I updated the daily/cvs table h300 image too 09.06.33 # And reload, since firefox seems to really like cached files 09.06.49 # amiconn, ah, i did reload, looks .. well, better in a way, but the greenish LCD sticks out a bit. 09.06.56 # That scan was sitting on my hd for a while... 09.08.05 # just an idea: http://img82.imageshack.us/img82/7383/h100t8ct.jpg 09.08.09 # midkay: Well, it's very close to the actuall impression 09.08.48 # Is that meant to be backlighted? 09.08.54 # amiconn, the others probably need readjustment.. 09.08.59 # amiconn, yes, i guess :) 09.09.53 # The backlight colour is considerably off 09.10.08 # quite possibly, not familiar with it. 09.10.11 # Maybe photos would be better than scans? 09.11.08 # Scans have the advantange of the high resolution and the front being distortion free, but the brightness relations are way off for parts like the lcd 09.13.53 # amiconn, so.. modified scans? :) 09.13.55 # I need to find something usable as a neutral grey background, then I'll take photos of all my units, and we can compare 09.14.07 # midkay: The scans are already modified 09.14.41 # For instance, the H300 lcd needed massive brightness and gamma correction, and also moire reduction 09.14.47 # ah.. 09.15.11 # Photos will probably give a more natural impression 09.16.10 # yes 09.16.20 # but its often rather hard to make a good close-up photo 09.17.00 # Well, for an icon that small it doesn't necessarily have to be close-up. 09.17.07 # true 09.17.16 # Just in good focus, and without flash-glare 09.17.52 # You need a uniform background, proper lighting, and must not go too close, but rather use longer focal lengths 09.18.26 # Never use flash for that 09.18.50 # hm. can't quite reproduce the stamp effect i got on the devcon logo. 09.19.17 # I could probably take a good pic of my h340, don't have any other target 09.19.49 # nevertheless! delicious forums logo. http://img159.imageshack.us/img159/206/rockbox350for1eh.gif 09.19.57 # I can provide 7 target pics, but my recorder pic won't show the true original look due to the white backlight mod 09.24.06 # amiconn: how does that work out for ya?.....i have the stock leds, but have been considering going something like pure white 09.24.14 Quit macdonalder ("bye bye ;D") 09.24.35 # the white LEDs on Archos are actually awesome 09.25.52 # http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight1.jpg http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight2.jpg http://amiconn.dyndns.org/WhiteBacklight3.jpg 09.26.06 # (and no, that's not what I call proper lighting and background 09.26.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.27.11 # bye all 09.27.19 # are those blue or white? ;) 09.27.20 # looks like a space ship with two solid rocket boosters 09.27.22 Quit Jungti1234 () 09.28.18 # you have the 2.0 version =( 09.29.09 # scorche: Yeps, with an 80GB HD ;-P 09.29.23 # both of mine are 1.1 09.29.24 # =( 09.29.33 # but i beat you on size ^_^ 09.29.44 # well, capacity 09.29.55 # You're the one with the 160GB disk, right? 09.30.02 # indeed 09.30.48 # @ anyone potentially interested in the forums logo - did a bit more work. http://img110.imageshack.us/img110/4166/rockbox350for21ts.gif 09.30.56 # and that is it for tonight. :) night all. 09.32.27 # amiconn: is it just the camera, or does it really look that blue? 09.32.56 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 09.33.14 # It's the camera 09.33.25 Quit quobl_ (Remote closed the connection) 09.33.29 # white balance? 09.33.38 # Most white leds look a little bluish, but the photos exaggerate it 09.33.45 # i know that 09.33.55 # photoshop! 09.34.02 # i was just curious cause that looks _really_ blue 09.34.11 # I'll rather take better photos 09.34.20 # These were taken with my old 2MP cam 09.35.35 Nick merbanan_ is now known as merbanan (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 09.38.37 # and sadly, one of my torx screws is stripped 10.04.46 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-151-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.10.26 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.12.31 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-151-192.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.21.17 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 10.34.34 Part Paul_The_Nerd 10.43.50 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.49.22 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 10.53.46 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 10.54.36 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.11.43 Join Moos [0] (n=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.11.58 # Hi there ! 11.14.51 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 11.15.45 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-86fa63b6d4d3136f) 11.26.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.28.12 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 11.30.00 Join s3xt0y [0] (n=doom3g@65-255-65-45.dyn.highspeed.pldi.net) 11.30.01 # startkeylogger DCC SEND [myg0t]OWNSYOU 11.30.01 Quit amiconn (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.30.01 Quit ScootScat (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 11.30.06 Part s3xt0y 11.30.18 # hahahaha 11.30.35 Join amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 11.34.44 # :) 11.39.12 Join ScootScat [0] (n=yeahrigh@71-80-131-108.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) 11.42.14 # aha - think I found why I can't connect to vmware: it's using 192.168.x.x addresses which also exist on the network 11.43.12 # or not :( 11.44.17 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 11.45.44 # The Helix player is now available as proper GPL 11.45.53 # wow 11.46.01 # strange thing is, if I enter these addresses in explorer, I see (only) the windows shares 11.46.21 # Zagor: what about the codecs? 11.46.42 # ashridah: as far as I understand it, the complete Helix Player is available under GPL 11.46.42 # helix, is that from the guys who brought us RA crap? 11.46.48 # or is it GPL+exceptionforourcodecs ? 11.46.55 # "NOTE- This license is only available for the Helix DNA Client and Helix Player, not the Helix DNA Server or Helix DNA Producer." 11.47.27 # Zagor: was more interested in the codecs than the distribution styff 11.47.30 # stuff even 11.48.16 # ashridah: bah, you guessed right. the codecs still appear to be restricted. 11.48.23 # ok, no news then. :-( 11.48.29 # how crappy 11.48.45 # so much for "new easier license" 11.49.02 # "you can now distribute half of this code much easier" 11.49.21 # "How does a developer acquire distribution rights to the Real codecs? Agree to one of the two; Real Format Client Code Commercial Use or the RCSL Commercial Use license. RealNetworks will execute the commercial use license agreement and fax it back to you." 11.49.25 # ewww, no thanks 11.49.36 # hahaha 11.50.22 # IPL uses the helix codecs, don't they? 11.50.32 # B4gder: Yes. 11.50.52 # how do you discover your own ip address in linux? 11.51.25 # petur: ifconfig 11.51.47 # /sbin/ifconfig if it isn't in your path 11.52.00 # ah right, had command not found 11.52.55 # can't ping the linux inside vmware either :( 11.53.03 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@95-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 11.53.41 # Zagor: That's just the Real codecs AFAIK. The helix AAC/MP3 codecs are available under the RPSL: https://helixcommunity.org/content/rpsl 11.54.59 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.02.05 # Does anyone really understand the footnote here: https://helixcommunity.org/content/complicense ? 12.03.35 # it is a complicated way to say that the license is not compatible with GPL 12.04.19 # at least in my eyes 12.04.39 # "these otherwise compatible licenses" is a nice way to put it 12.05.27 # Hmm, I guess we shouldn't care too much 12.05.45 # Why would we want helix instead of our current codecs? 12.05.58 # I believe it performs pretty good on arm 12.07.46 Join scott666_ [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-75-109.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 12.09.41 Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.13.06 # B4gder: What makes the rpsl incompatible with the gpl? Is it 2.1(e) here: https://helixcommunity.org/content/rpsl ? 12.16.09 # hey. doesn't configure have some flag to make it compile assuming there's more than one cpu? 12.17.11 # ashridah: make -j or just make -j 12.22.34 # amiconn: That's the same as the controversial new clause added the libfaad's documentation. Also, everything about patents in the RPSL seems to be incompatible with the GPL - e.g. 3c) says you can't use the source code as evidence in patent disputes against the licensor. 12.26.22 # ashridah: make -j uses at most jobs in parallel, make -j uses as many jobs in parallel as make sees fit 12.27.58 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 12.28.37 # LinusN: Do you remember other places apart from the thread scheduler were we rely on inlining? 12.28.53 # * amiconn wants to solve the odd crash with sh-elf-gcc 3.4.6 -Os 12.28.59 # amiconn: yeah, i know. i just thought i'd remembered someone mentioning it in conjunction with the configure script 12.40.20 # amiconn: crossfade is fixed. again. fortunately I fixed it in my sleep, so I won't remember this when I wake up in a couple of hours. 12.40.21 Part Paul_The_Nerd 12.40.46 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 12.41.14 # does arm just not care if you access random memory, but m68k does or something? 12.41.30 # hm? it was an out of bounds thing? 12.42.04 # none of them should care if you access random memory 12.42.34 # I had two legitimate bugs that should have caused any arch to point to and then try to dereference (fff->blah) NULL... m68k crashes every time, but not arm 12.42.55 # lostlogic: I *think* the "MPC / Wavpack / MP3" not playing posts recently in the iRiver thread are the crossfade bug in a slightly different guise. I had my player do what they described (freeze 3 seconds from the end of the first song) then reset the settings (realized I'd left crossfade on from a recent test for you) and it seems to be playing fine. 12.43.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: well good, try to reproduce with the latest CVS :) 12.43.53 # You had to commit like, 15 seconds after I built 12.43.57 # * Paul_The_Nerd mutters and fires up VMWare again 12.44.05 # hehe, sorry 12.44.10 # am sleep coding :) 12.44.19 # No worries 12.44.40 # this farking crossfade bug is farking killing me. 12.45.07 # or was (assuming, hope hope, that it's fixed) 12.45.12 # heh 12.45.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: i've never used crossfade 12.45.41 Quit Lynx_ (" bye") 12.45.55 # preglow: Only time I've ever used it is when lostlogic over there says "Hey, Paul... can you test something for me ;-)" 12.46.07 # :) 12.46.23 # so much effort for a feature so few devs use ;) 12.46.25 # you gotta learn to fend the bugger off when he uses that smiley 12.47.30 # preglow: I suppose I could just not fix it :-P 12.48.06 # time for a new build, then 12.48.42 # anyone good with bash scripting here?, trying to to a recursive VBRfix 12.49.04 # having problems with this line: 12.49.09 # for file in `find . -name "*.mp3" -print` 12.49.11 Join webguest81 [0] (n=5087d426@labb.contactor.se) 12.49.33 # wehn: why not just use find . -name '*.mp3' -exec VBRfix {} \; 12.49.47 # I only use xfade if I have shuffle enabled, otherwise I never use it 12.50.02 # I saw that in the man page but strugled to figure it out. i'll have another look... 12.50.09 # webguest81: well, does the latest CVS fix it on your (I assume) coldfire target? 12.50.20 # Crossfade always sounded too unnatural for me. Like, the songs were too impatient. 12.50.36 # one sec and I'll test it, need to wake everything up :) 12.50.39 # I dont' use it either. 12.50.51 # lostlogic: problem is spaces interpreted as end of line rather than "\ " 12.51.20 # wehn: you can also change your IFS if you want to do the for file in `find method. 12.51.36 # but personally I'd just do it with the find exec, because that should work regardless 12.51.45 # IFS? 12.51.52 # internal field separator 12.51.57 # is how bash separates fields on the commandline 12.52.04 # and by default space is one such character 12.52.19 # if you change it to only separate by newline, then the fields won't be separated on the spaces. 12.52.19 # find . -name "*.mp3" | xargs VBRfix 12.52.30 # ahh. but i'll try the exec method 12.52.30 # LinusN: will break just as much with spaces in names, IIRC 12.52.48 # Linus: I tried that but the vbrfix command line is:.. 12.52.58 # vbrfixc -lameinfo $file $file 12.53.10 # ah 12.53.11 # man xargs confused me.. 12.53.20 # lostlogic: Erm, there's a new (non-crashing) crossfade bug... 12.53.38 # pondlife: oh? 12.53.40 # The fade-in isn't played properly. 12.53.51 # describe, since I rewrote the fade in yesterday :) 12.54.03 # lostlogic: I was about to tell you that the fix didn't work. Then I realized that somehow I forgot to CVS up before building. Sorry. Umm... Lemme go try the *actual* update 12.55.28 # pondlife: if you tell me that it starts to fade in, and then stops, and resumes fading in after the fade out is complete, that's because it has a buffer underrun sorta doohicker on mixing space 12.55.28 # Hard to describe, but part of the fade in isn't played. Try both delays set to 0, and fade in/out durations of 1 and 2 seconds respectively.. 12.56.56 # I could probably make it less 'twitchy' on triggering that underrun condition, but it would risk a really nasty gappy situation where part of the fade in is lost entirely (is that better than what I did?) 12.57.11 # i never understood the crossfade settigns... 12.57.20 # lostlogic: Quote from the forums "This newest CVS build seems like an improvement. I'm at the 4th song now without a freeze. Thats a shuffled playlist with crossfade enabled. The last builds were all freezing at the first track change with crossfade on, but worked without crossfade." 12.57.20 # preglow: neithre does the manual, don't feel special. 12.57.34 # Paul_The_Nerd: party. 12.58.10 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.58.31 # I'm not sure it's actually stopping/starting - skipping back to the track start seems to keep the song's timing/rhythm going. 12.58.36 # BINGO! find . -name '*.mp3' -exec vbrfixc -lameinfo '{}' '{}' \; 12.58.41 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-155.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.58.50 # I'd expect an underrun to be more obvious 12.59.00 # i'll add that to the vbr bug report. cheers 12.59.03 # It just seems to only play half of the fade in. 12.59.09 # mpc bug is still there, alright 12.59.18 # Does it every time, but my battery has just died. 12.59.38 # pondlife: first half or last half? 12.59.51 # lostlogic, H140, with shuffle enabled and xfade shuffle mode, I get no freezes so far, and I have fast skipped fwd and back 13.00.29 # Paul_The_Nerd: but what, does wavpack and mp3 have trouble too? 13.00.32 # doesn't seem like it here 13.00.32 # Not sure - first I think. 13.00.45 # It's definitely has a "half" feeling about it! 13.00.47 # preglow: I'm giving better than even odds that those wavpack and MP3 issues were the crossfade bug 13.00.49 # It... 13.00.57 # yes 13.01.03 # they work fine like wine here, at least 13.01.07 # Same here 13.01.09 # mpc still bugs out, but i'll have a quick look at that 13.01.14 # I'll need to try some less repetitive songs to be sure. 13.01.15 # I have no MPCs to test. 13.02.13 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-9-84.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.02.53 # pondlife: I see what you mean... when out and in are set evenly, it doesn't do that. wtf. 13.03.29 # although the xfade to the next track after skipping a few isn't smooth 13.03.38 # though i wish i knew where things went wrong 13.03.49 # i'm just shooting for the mpc.c change for now 13.04.06 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 13.05.41 # inplaylist view, having two rows of numbers takes up a lot of screen space 13.06.52 # any way that it would be possible to remove the file list numbering and leave the track numbering ? 13.07.24 # sure, you can remove the indices 13.07.34 # preglow: If you access an area with no memory at all on coldfire, the bus will hang 13.07.59 # Moos, is that an option ? 13.08.09 # lostlogic: It's the second half that goes missing I think 13.08.33 # webguest81: yep, which player do you have (for the key)? 13.08.46 # H140 13.08.47 # pondlife: and that audio is totally missing, not just played after the fade out finishes, correct? 13.08.54 # Yes 13.09.41 # webguest81: press A/B when you are in playlist view then 13.10.04 # ah yes found it, many thanks Moos 13.10.08 # and show indices set no, but this info can be usufull anyway 13.10.14 # no problem :) 13.10.19 # I think so.. maybe I should record a count-in, and try some really asymettric settings (1/10)... 13.10.26 # Am charging at the moment 13.10.45 # pondlife: I'm tryin' to find it, but let me know if you do happen to do some more precise tests. 13.10.58 # OK, have you tried the sim recently? 13.10.59 # lostlogic: hi, still hunting crossfade bug? :) 13.11.18 # lostlogic: Forgot to direct that to you as well: If you access an area with no memory at all on coldfire, the bus will hang 13.12.17 # I've had to bodge it to make it work - prevent codec failure.. and now it sticks on the current track number.. will look into it at lunchtime. 13.12.18 # amiconn: saw it, thanks 13.12.40 # Moos: the crashing is dead... 13.13.03 # uhh, things improving then :) 13.13.40 # if shufle is deselected, should the files remain shuffled in the dynamic playlist ? 13.14.07 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.17 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.42 # yes 13.15.03 # thanks 13.15.10 # webguest81: Disabling shuffle while playing is supposed to sort the playlist 13.15.30 # ah, let me try that 13.15.37 # Or rather, it depends where you do it 13.15.47 # wow, skipping backward and forward repeatedly does seem to still have a bug thta can eventually cause a counter overflow. 13.16.27 # How often is the simulator used to test plugins? 13.17.02 # ravon: very 13.17.09 # ravon: Usually just for general stuff (to see how the screen will look on different targets), but it's always a good idea to find someone with a real one of the player for a final test if you can. 13.17.13 # B4gder: Tried Brickmania, for example? 13.17.27 # It's segfaulting left and right with all kinds of plugins. 13.17.34 # feel free to submit patches 13.17.53 # Well, that's what I need the simulator for :) 13.17.59 # I've used the sim to develop and hack on plugins and the core since years back 13.18.08 # B4gder: hi, any luck for the X5 LCD partial updates? 13.18.10 # amiconn, thanks, it does unshuffle if done during playback 13.18.10 # ravon: Which sim are you using? 13.18.19 # linuxstb: X5 SDL Linux 13.18.53 # Moos: yes, but I'm holding it off until I've seen what amiconn is up to in that area ;-) 13.18.54 # webguest81: There's a difference whether you disable shuffle from General Settings->Playback or the quickscreen 13.19.15 # B4gder: hehe :) 13.19.17 # ok 13.19.26 # blaargh, the musepack seeking patch uses malloc 13.19.29 # let's hope on busy amiconn then : ) 13.19.42 # preglow: uch :( 13.19.43 # amiconn, it unshuffles from quick screen 13.19.47 # One method unshuffles the playlist, the other does not. Don't remember which one does what atm 13.20.02 # Ah, no, I confused my own fixes 13.20.16 # It *used* to be different until I fixed that... 13.20.28 # if playback is sopped then it doesn't unshuffle the dynamic playlist 13.20.35 # yes 13.21.03 # rockbox is just to clever :) 13.21.04 # preglow: the author of musepack patch isn't aware that we don't use malloc? 13.21.27 # the *best* playlist concept at least ;) 13.21.43 # i have no idea 13.22.00 # probably not 13.22.13 # the cheery on the cake would be the playlist catalog patch, it would really kick ass as the yanks would say 13.22.19 # ravon: Brickmania is working fine for me in the X5 SDL sim in Linux. 13.22.32 # preglow: did you already see him here? 13.22.36 # no 13.22.39 # linuxstb: Checking out a vanilla tree and trying without any patches. 13.22.41 # k 13.23.24 # ravon: Also, make sure you are running "make install" after each recompile. 13.24.11 # oki 13.26.14 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-37-244.kotinet.com) 13.26.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.26.35 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-83.seh.ox.ac.uk) 13.28.57 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.29.01 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.29.03 # pondlife: btw, didn't get your emails till jus tnow, wish I'd looked right when I woke up, would have taken me at least 15 minutes less of frustration before I figured out the correct fix if I'd seen them. 13.29.24 Part Paul_The_Nerd 13.29.30 # bbl 13.31.06 # B4gder/LinusN: what's your thought about using some of extra IRAM space on X5 for the codecs or something else when the LCD driver will be reworked, cause actually iirc all the extra IRAM we have with X5 is for LCD frame buffer? 13.31.57 # well, if we get more IRAM free and someone identifies suitable suspects to move there, then sure we move 'em 13.32.59 # I'm wondering which way could be the more "batterie friendly"? :) 13.33.22 # there are only one way really: 13.33.35 # lower the CPU use by optimizing functions we use often 13.34.12 # and moving functions/data to IRAM is one way of optimizing for speed 13.35.32 # yep, what's about LCD vs codecs? 13.36.02 # lostlogic: oops, sorry - I didn't have a patch together so thought e-mail was best (better than putting code in the wiki anyway) 13.36.22 # Moos: what counts is the total, LCD + codecs and how long we can run without boosting and how much we can make the CPU sleep 13.36.26 # linuxstb_: You're right. It _does_ work with a vanilla checkout. 13.36.46 # B4gder: let's hope the max of things will fit :) 13.37.41 # pondlife: no biggie, you were right on the track of the bug... ;) 13.37.45 # there are other optimizations we can do as well 13.38.11 # B4gder: some of them in minds? 13.38.18 # mind 13.39.03 # generally fixing drivers and improving when what is called and used 13.39.34 # and shutting off the LCD 13.39.37 # B4gder: thnx 4 the mail ;) 13.39.41 # hehe LinusN job hopefully after the release :) 13.40.35 # I'd say we've so far got very few new developers on the X5 front 13.40.45 # pondlife: i've identified the cause of the latest bug. 13.40.55 # and it does indeed only happen when the fade in is shorter than fade out. 13.41.03 # B4gder: yeah, but about the "shutting off the LCD" one option for configure this could be fine, cause the current way is good for see LCD w/o backlight, maybe one timiing option that we could reuse for all capable LCDs? 13.41.04 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.41.15 Quit cismo_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.41.30 # Moos: you mean you can actually see the LCD when the backlight is off? 13.41.39 # yep 13.41.44 # I have a very hard time doing that on mine 13.41.55 # note you? of course need light 13.42.05 # ohoh, eyes lacking? :) 13.42.14 # me getting old? nooooo 13.42.16 # :-) 13.42.21 # There must be more sunlight in France than Sweden... 13.42.29 # I seted backgroud in white and text on black for readability 13.42.30 # aah, there's an explanation! ;-) 13.42.43 # B4gder: haha XD, not too hold anyway ;) 13.42.51 # I figure it can very well depend on what bg/fg combo in-use 13.42.55 # linuxstb: hihi :) 13.43.26 # the system volume info file is there any way to prevent it from being reinstalled once deleted 13.43.30 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 13.43.31 # lostlogic: I'll keep an eye on CVS then.. ;-) 13.44.23 # webguest81: you can configure windows for note make it again 13.44.59 Quit webguest81 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.45.09 # Moos: ...but windows sometimes decides on its own that it wants to create it again, even when it's disabled 13.45.27 # oh, never happened here 13.45.38 # thanks God then :) 13.45.53 Join webguest81 [0] (n=5087d426@labb.contactor.se) 13.47.11 # Moos is there anything that might be screwed up by not having that file when connecting to windows ? 13.48.11 # how did you managed backup settings? 13.48.16 # on this drive 13.50.23 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 13.51.20 # made backups of my player (entire disk) to my main pc 13.51.41 Quit arf-arf (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.44 Join RedBreva^ [0] (n=redbreva@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 13.53.30 # no no, I meant how did you managed the *windows setting*? 13.54.08 # you need to disable the restore system option for that windows don't write this sys info dir 13.54.48 # annoying svi folder 13.54.53 # and also recycled 13.55.05 # but apparently like amiconn said it can reapear sometimes 13.55.08 Part XavierGr 13.55.10 # i disabled the recycle bin so why does windows reacreate that folder 13.55.11 # Moos with you now, i have disabled restore for my mp3 player, but still on for my pc's C root drive 13.55.40 # and did that solve the issue for you? 13.55.50 # there are other windows services that use the svi folder 13.56.06 # oh, which ones? 13.56.30 # perhaps it stores the restore and recycle bin settings in that sys vol file, maybe thats why it reappears 13.56.32 # here just disabled this ages ago, and never reappeared, just the stupid recycled dir 13.57.00 # there are some stated here: http://blogs.msdn.com/oldnewthing/archive/2003/11/20/55764.aspx 13.57.20 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp128-53.adsl.forthnet.gr) 13.58.27 # did you disabled restore thing for your root drive too? here I did 13.58.50 # i always disable such nonsense :p 13.58.56 # hehe :) 13.59.03 # if windows is fucked up so much i rather reinstall :p 13.59.12 # : ) 13.59.30 # i should reinstall now, but most things are working :p 13.59.42 # for some reson remote desktop is broken 14.00.03 # logging in through it crashes windows 14.00.33 # in sys event log there are messages about RDP getting too many connections but i wouldn't know why 14.01.03 # windows sucks, we already know this :P 14.01.09 # :P 14.01.41 # * Moos always used win but never paid 1 cent for it ;) 14.02.14 # :P 14.03.39 Join HeikoGrossstueck [0] (n=HeikoGro@i3ED6C877.versanet.de) 14.04.38 Part webguest81 14.04.51 # * linuxstb always has to pay for windows but never uses it. 14.05.14 Quit HeikoGrossstueck (Client Quit) 14.05.27 # hehe : ) 14.05.58 # damn. that is by far the fastest rockbox compile i've ever done 14.06.23 # bootloader, --ccache and no changes? ;-) 14.07.14 # no. make -j 4 14.07.26 # -j 4 is niceness 14.07.32 # i change my hardware way too often to use a legal xp copy :p 14.07.59 # i have one but i just use the corporate version so i don't need to reactivate all the time 14.08.16 # bootloader, --ccache, no changes and -j 4! ;*) 14.09.01 # * amiconn never reinstalled windows on his own boxes 14.09.04 # It just works 14.09.27 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.09.52 Join perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-68-173-42-25.nyc.res.rr.com) 14.10.16 # I'm actually somewhat interested in this ReactOS thing. I figure if it ever hits ~Win2k or even NT4 level or so, I'm probably done entirely with Microsoft products. 14.10.46 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.11.22 Quit XavierGr (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.11.48 # * petur had to reinstall twice: once the disk crashed, second time the powersupply broke, taking the partition with it :( 14.12.20 # * JdGordon reinstalls every 3 weeeks :p 14.12.21 # my previous box ran W2k for 6 years without reinstall 14.15.31 # * mtnbkr has been microsoft-free since '91 14.16.38 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp128-53.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.17.17 # * petur spots his target :D 14.18.02 # * amiconn can't imagine using linux as the main desktop os 14.18.19 # * B4gder can't imagine not using linux as the main desktop os 14.18.26 # * ashridah can't imagine NOT using it as a main desktop os 14.18.39 # :-) 14.19.13 # -not 14.19.20 # XavierGr: I cannot ping to the ip address that the linux inside vmware has - does that help in a way to understand? 14.19.33 # Linux is nice for certain purposes, but still rather cumbersome to operate 14.19.48 # * linuxstb wonders where all the Mac OS users are... 14.19.48 # and its backed by communists!! 14.20.00 # Rockbox devs? 14.20.03 # :-) 14.20.18 # rockbox featuring lenin? 14.20.30 # ah sorry, the communists are the guys with track numbers if the file names 14.20.32 Quit wehn (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.20.47 # Hehehe 14.21.00 # I got rid of the commandline when windows came along, don't feel much for it to go back to it 14.21.07 # JdGordon: I would actually prefer using an opensource desktop os 14.21.16 # amiconn: Have you seen ReactOS? 14.21.17 # * petur is all pointy and clicky and loves context menus 14.21.52 # It's an attempt to build an NT4 compatible open source OS 14.22.06 # individuals dont exist in communism...so no single track numbas 14.22.31 # reactos seems to have advanced pretty much - must test it on a box some time 14.22.55 # http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2781.0 14.23.00 # the communist thread 14.23.35 # * ashridah notes that interestingly, in most cases, his system administration jobs have been easier from linux than windows 14.23.52 # amiconn: have you seen KDE 3.5.2 ? 14.24.22 # * amiconn *does* use the command line for certain purposes, but prefers the graphical way 14.24.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: No, din't know about that 14.24.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: Btw, I don't deem NT4 a comfortable OS 14.24.24 # Any of you linux guys managed to get the microsoft core fonts installed on debian? 14.24.27 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-457286ab.dyn.optonline.net) 14.24.29 # * B4gder has been a *nix fan since '91 when I first saw the light 14.24.57 # amiconn: Well, the goal is then to advance it through 2k and XP states. NT4 is the first target from what I understand. 14.25.11 # mtnbkr: I know about KDE. I don't like it at all 14.25.24 # When on linux, I prefer gnome 14.25.37 # heretic! 14.25.43 # * mtnbkr wonders how people can get anything done without multiple virtual desktops. 14.25.57 # multiple monitors maybe? 14.26.05 # but that's probably my A.D.D talking...lol 14.26.06 # highres and many windows! 14.26.06 # * petur has two :) 14.26.32 # ALT-TAB 14.26.38 # Yeah I couldn't live without two monitors. Windows virtual desktop is crap anyway. 14.26.52 # almost the one thing that is stopping me from switching is the bitch to setup 1 very wide desktop across my 3 screens... 14.26.53 # or in my case: ALT-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB-TAB 14.26.59 # petur: heh I hear that too 14.27.00 Part Paul_The_Nerd 14.27.05 # * amiconn has no problems switching through multiple windows with the taskbar 14.27.14 # petur: u know u can do shift-alt-tab instead of a million tabs... 14.27.15 # ugh, the last 3 builds I thought I copied to my player... I didn't... because they were .zip and I was tar -jxvfing an old bzip2. 14.27.24 # yups 14.27.56 # Is there a graphical version of apt-get (similar to Yast) (KDE) 14.28.03 # lostlogic: now why did you do that? ;-P 14.28.20 # yast, brrr 14.28.30 # OK, but seriously... what would it tkae to nudge the devs to support RockBox on a 2nd Gen 10GB Ipod? :) Can I loan mine for development purposes? 14.28.41 # RedBreva^: yes there is 14.28.58 # xterm -e apt-get 14.29.07 # synaptic is one, isn't it? 14.29.12 # Thanks ;-) 14.30.28 # OK, found synaptic - thanks 14.30.46 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.31.20 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.18 # Ah, now I know what I am looking for, I found KPackage... like that one better 14.33.13 # mtnbkr: sure you can, you just need someone to also find the time to use it 14.34.41 # pondlife: cvs up try. 14.38.15 Join _FutureCrash [0] (i=julius@irc.finalfuture.de) 14.38.25 Quit FutureCrash ("changing servers") 14.40.33 # musepack people: i'd be happy if those of you with a shitload of musepack files could please test the new seeking patch 14.41.26 Quit petur ("reboot - thank you analog devices for your crap ide") 14.43.01 # preglow: I can't build here, but if you can make on build with bleeding edge build (with last lostlogic bugfixe), I can test 14.43.32 # preglow: any idea where the best place for me to make this comment/offer migth be? forum, bug report? 14.44.05 # mtnbkr: dev mailing list or forum I'd guess 14.44.17 # mtnbkr: Possibly the rockbox-dev mailing list. All developers should read that. But I expect most of them have read your offer here. 14.44.36 # Moos: what player? 14.44.47 # preglow: X5 please 14.45.25 # Ok Thanks. 14.45.39 # mtnbkr: Where in the world are you/ 14.45.40 # ? 14.46.57 # CT, USA 14.47.55 # but anywhere is only 1-2 days away thanks to Fed-EX, UPS et al. :) 14.48.42 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 14.49.42 # linuxstb: Maybe I could loan them the ipod and BUY them a case of beer and some pizza. :) 14.49.51 # petur: what, you working with ad stuff? 14.50.18 # blackfin dsp, but I'm only doing the high-level stuff 14.50.35 # ahh, blackfin 14.50.48 # never had much to do with that 14.50.52 # I was wondering if we could have RDS Radio with non RDS Radio chips... I have a strange idea and I want your opinion.. 14.50.56 # Genre9mp3: no 14.52.34 # But, what about if we could record realtime (FM Recording) and then process the signal to retrieve the RDS information? 14.52.36 # Moos: http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/rockbox-x5-musepack-patch.zip 14.52.41 # Genre9mp3: you can't 14.52.48 # why's that? 14.52.50 # Genre9mp3: the rds info is on a subcarrier which is not extracted 14.52.55 # it's not interleaved in the audio 14.53.23 # Oh....I thought it was just over the 20khz 14.53.41 # preglow: ok I'll test it now, something special you want I test, or just seeking...? 14.53.50 # omg, it works. Yay!! 14.54.15 # Moos: just general musepack listening 14.54.20 # Moos: skip around, seek a little, listen a little 14.54.30 # k 14.54.31 # Genre9mp3: well, i dunno, try recording fm and see 14.54.43 # ravon: your NES thing? 14.54.44 # Genre9mp3: if there's something funky at around 20khz, then perhaps we can do something about it 14.54.49 # Moos: yeah :D 14.54.49 # but i'd expect it to be filtered away 14.54.59 # ravon: congrates 14.55.01 # :) 14.55.20 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio_Data_System 14.55.36 # 57kHz subcarrier 14.55.37 # Moos: Works with 8bit in the emulator, but it's better than nothing. Gonna try it on the iAudio. 14.55.54 # hehe :) 14.56.08 # Audio frequencies are not filtered in wav format, right? 14.56.25 # that depends on the source 14.56.35 # a 57khz subcarrier is almost 100% certainly filtered away 14.57.57 # So if 57Khz is not filtered away in wav the idea would "theoritically" work? 14.58.20 # i don't think you understand how this works 14.58.27 # we don't just record a wav straight from the air 14.58.31 # it needs to be demodulated first 14.58.34 # and that involved a lot of filtering 14.58.52 # The FM radio chip does that? 14.58.55 # yes 15.00.27 Join goffa [0] (n=goffa@216.220.23.105) 15.00.35 Quit goffa_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.00.42 # So the difference between an RDS and a non-RDS FM chip is that the first one doesn't filter those frequencies? Or it converts them direclty to digital information (The RDS chip) 15.00.57 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@cm1.sigma165.maxonline.com.sg) 15.02.02 # the RDS version will clock out the RDS data 15.02.24 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd6595d@labb.contactor.se) 15.02.25 # In order to capture rds without a specialised chip, we would need to record with a sample rate of at least 120kHz, which isn't possible, and then digitally filter the signal in realtime, which is also impossible 15.02.25 # already filtered and demodulated out of the subcarrier 15.02.53 # preglow: seeking works like a charm, but still the end of track bug like without the patch 15.03.02 # (and of course the fm chip must not filter out high frequencies, but it almost surely does 15.03.16 # Moos: don't know why that happens 15.03.34 # lostlogic rework, no? 15.03.37 # I told you that you were wrong Genre9mp3! hahaha 15.03.52 # preglow: it was the last touched this 15.03.56 # amiconn: the 57khz subcarrier isn't sampled like that 15.04.17 # OK....thanks for the information....I'll just forget about the idea 15.04.23 # amiconn: if we were lucky, they might be lazy with the filtering and we'd find it placed randomly in one of the channels 15.04.29 # amiconn: but at around 20-30khz 15.05.02 # They are most likely not lazy with filtering 15.05.06 # exactly 15.05.22 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 15.05.27 # moo 15.05.44 # Moos: it was the last what? 15.05.52 # preglow: just tried with a long song (from Fela Anikulapo Kuti) and still great seeking 15.05.55 # wow.. busy place 15.06.00 # The stereo pilot signal (19kHz) is usually quite well filtered out 15.06.15 # preglow: to touch the musepack codec, no? 15.06.43 # Moos: no idea 15.06.53 # Moos: i'll have a look at it in a minute now 15.06.56 # I remenber he changed all codecs 15.07.03 # heh ... at this point i'd like it to just advance to the next track ;) 15.07.10 # in one little thing, don't remenber what 15.07.13 # lostlogic? 15.07.16 # i know what he did 15.07.18 Quit zigford (Connection timed out) 15.07.22 # and i know how it might break, i'll check it out 15.07.27 # cool 15.07.42 # preglow: How does this seek patch work... I remember you said that the signal has to be decoded from the start in order to deode it properly... 15.07.54 # preglow: please commit this patch man, that really rocks :) 15.07.57 # amiconn: it has been found out that musepack has a max frame dependency 15.08.33 # amiconn: also, to reduce the danger of screaming noise on seek resume, all scalefactors are reset to their minimum value, so that any scale factors that have not been set won't be (very) active 15.08.41 # Uh? I thought the musepack people would know such things... 15.08.48 # you'd be surprised... 15.08.52 # * goffa wishes bushel still supported musepack.. then he could give info 15.09.08 # yeah, you pretty much need to go to those people for internals 15.09.09 # preglow: and the author of patch will continue to works on musepack front if you commit his patch 15.09.13 # and they're never around 15.09.33 # preglow: Sounds familiar... 15.09.39 # Moos: i will commit it after it's seen enough testing to assure it won't just blow up and damage someone's ears 15.09.42 # * amiconn thinks about another biig project... 15.09.50 # Moos: and you the users are the only ones that can do that! :) 15.10.25 Part LinusN 15.10.29 # preglow: I'll listen musepack files only this afternoon and let you know 15.10.36 # lostlogic: Are you aware of the sound artifacts while changing tracks manually? (pops, clicks) 15.10.38 # Moos: please do 15.10.41 # k 15.10.46 # i'll have rotator do some testing as well if i see him 15.10.54 # yeah 15.11.10 # preglow: I'm curious - what's the max frame dependency in musepack? 15.11.56 # linuxstb: i 31 15.11.59 # s/i//... 15.12.06 # 31 frames? 15.12.10 # to end the discussion: the h300 tuner chip filter starts at 22.5 kHz ;) 15.12.42 # So does the seeking patch decode and discard 31 frames? 15.13.19 # petur: OK then... 15.13.26 # 31 frames, yes 15.13.47 # linuxstb: no, you need to decode 31 frames if you want to be sure of no screeching bugs 15.13.58 # linuxstb: but if you reset the scale factors to their lowest value, you can do with less 15.14.01 # the author of patch "promise" some optimisation to musepacklib too 15.14.06 # there is some 15.15.54 # * Moos goes out with a quite beautiful musepack playlist to hear :) 15.16.17 # preglow: I'll report you in few hours if I encountred any bugs or something 15.16.21 # Moos: goodie 15.16.32 Quit aliask ("night") 15.16.33 # np 15.17.35 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 15.19.09 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 15.21.22 # XavierGr: on or off buffer? 15.21.54 # XavierGr: actually either way, no, it's smoothe for me. 15.22.00 # Moos: what were you asking me? 15.22.07 # let me check with the latest build 15.25.55 # i'll test at noon.. its a little late, but thats when i can copy new firmware to this thing 15.26.33 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.29.09 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.29.23 Quit Genre9mp3 () 15.29.52 # lostlogic are you sure it is smooth for you? For me every time I press next/previous track I get a small "sceeching" sound and/or a pop/click. 15.30.15 # This doesn't happen when I choose a new track from the file browser 15.30.19 # XavierGr: haven't heard it on speakers, lemme try with IEMs 15.30.32 # XavierGr: does choosing a new track from teh file browser work for you? It's broken IIRC 15.31.27 # it works fine for me. 15.31.29 # XavierGr: perfectly smooth here 15.31.41 # wtf. 15.31.44 # preglow: any advancement w/ spdif? 15.31.52 # oh wait choosing a file from the filebrowser just exited playback. 15.31.58 # whatboutbob: no, i'm fed up with it 15.32.02 # i'll resume some other day 15.32.20 # hehe...i can't blame you. ;) 15.32.43 Join agabus [0] (n=agabus@203-217-54-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) 15.32.48 # XavierGr: yeah, that's what most people get. 15.32.55 # XavierGr: like I said, it's broken. 15.32.58 # always bugs i can't reproduce consistently 15.33.12 # preglow: 'tis nice to have the ball rolling anyways. 15.33.26 # yes, but track changes from file beowser is much smoother (when it works) than left/right changes. 15.33.43 # if rockbox completely screws up somehow, am i able to go back to the original firmware without sending my ipod away? 15.33.47 Quit HCl (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 15.33.47 Quit perldiver (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit RedBreva^ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit amiconn (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit Sinbios (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit solexx (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit dwihno (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit kackerlac (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit BoD[away] (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit mbr (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit kkurbjun (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit rob- (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit Galois (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit Ave (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit PiXEL8 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit eaz (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit dark (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit humulus (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.33.47 Quit steveb (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 15.34.00 # n-n-n NETSPLITT! 15.34.02 # XavierGr: well from the file browser stops and restarts playback, so it's not smooth, at least it shouldn't be... it will stop playing for some time between tracks. 15.34.10 # ...the bugs do seem to be pretty inconsistent and not easily replicable. 15.34.34 # XavierGr: do you use any of the DSP features? stereo width, crossfeed, or eq? 15.34.40 # if rockbox completely screws up somehow, am i able to go back to the original firmware without sending my ipod away? 15.35.05 # agabus: yes 15.35.11 # lostlogic: what do you mean smooth? I am just saying that while track changes are a little slower from the filebrowser I don't hear any sqeaks or pops. 15.35.20 # agabus: so far we have a zero brick ratio, so haven't found a way to screw it up beyond being able to just restore with the apple utilities. 15.35.35 # lostlogic: I don't use any DSP 15.35.43 # XavierGr: right, a manual track change for me is completely gapless, with no pops, screeches, or anything. 15.36.02 # ashridah - sweet, I so wanna try RockBox when i get my new ipod, but I was worried i might brick it. but if there's always a way back, then i'll definately try it 15.36.03 # XavierGr: and what target? 15.36.08 # H300 15.36.55 # As I said changing track with left/right is much faster that filebrowser but I can hear artifacts. 15.37.17 # What's the brick rate for H3xx and the X5? 15.37.22 # TeaSea: zero 15.37.22 # while on file browser the change is slower but perfect. 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( http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#privmsg )' 15.37.46 # TeaSea: wait, no, there was 1 or 2 with people trying to flash unsupported patched US firmwares, I think. 15.37.58 # Aha 15.38.06 # XavierGr: yes, I understand what you are saying, but I can't reproduce it, can you find out if all coldfire users have this, or just you? 15.38.23 # TeaSea: From what I know we have zero bricks 15.38.43 # lostlogic: I can test on my H140 too. 15.38.47 # XavierGr: please do 15.39.28 # but if a device gets bricked, there's still a way back right? 15.39.36 Join snake952 [0] (n=gf@202.130.204.224) 15.39.43 # agabus: no, brick means it has to be sent in. 15.39.51 # agabus: no if it is bricked, it is the end of story 15.39.59 # hey 15.40.08 # why didnt rockbox work on my H320 15.40.13 # unless you have proper hardware that will let you reflash the memory 15.40.25 # i just pressed update firmware 15.40.28 # dam. will apple fix it if it gets bricked from rockbox? 15.40.36 # snake952: didn't work? 15.40.45 # it didnt do anything 15.40.49 # when i pressed yes 15.40.53 # agabus: unknown, nobody's actually had it get bricked to find out 15.40.56 # nothing happened 15.40.57 # hey Bagder, any news on when the firmware file is being moved into the .rockbox folde? 15.41.02 # agabus: for ipods there's a tool from apple to fix it 15.41.03 # agabus: probably no, but this is higly unlikely. 15.41.26 # petur - oh? 15.41.31 # agabus: the ipods have a flash based emergency mode which we never touch, so it is highly unlikely that rockbox can do anything non-recoverable. 15.41.49 # petur: not if it's bricked 15.41.52 # any idea? 15.41.54 # that's the definition of bricked 15.42.00 # the only issue there is: if you have a hardware failure and send it in, they'll tell you you voided your warranty 15.42.09 # that is what the utility from apple uses, but that's not bricked, that's jut rockbox not working right, or original firmware scrwered up... bricked would be if we somehow made it so it couldn't even power on into that emergency flash routine. 15.42.21 # snake952: did you patched an official firmware succesfully? 15.42.38 # im doing that now to see 15.43.04 # do people have many complains about the newest 60gig video ipod using rockbox? 15.43.15 # complaints* 15.44.04 # snake: use the firmware patcher on an iriver firmware, then put the firmware on your player and upgrade like normal. Then all you need is a rockbox build to put on the unit. Make sure you read the wiki for details. 15.44.13 # where do i get the official firmware? 15.44.13 # agabus: of course they do 15.44.43 # they mostly want to know how to get doom running 15.44.50 # agabus: have you ever found a program or product that there weren't complaints about? :-P 15.44.52 # rofl 15.45.16 Join leftright [0] (n=5087d426@labb.contactor.se) 15.45.25 # any one know? 15.45.39 # fair enough. well i don't care about doom, i want RockBox so i can play OGG files and use the ipod as a portable hard-drive (easier to put music on from linux) 15.46.30 # im lost 15.46.50 # i convert a video for my H320 and it says it cant support the video and skips it 15.46.51 # agabus: does that fine, the battery performance is much worse than stock firmware though. 15.47.37 # snake: video is not suppported on Rockbox for H300. I suggest open a thread on MisticRiver for these kind of questions 15.47.54 # im going back to the official one 15.48.23 # lostlogic - hmm I figured that might be the case, so what I might do is have RockBox installed so that from linux I can drag and drop files, and then use the method to make the official firmware scan for the mp3 files and use official for most music 15.48.31 # snake: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WebHome?topic=IriverBoot 15.48.34 # snale952: if you had read the wiki, you would have seen the links to official fw: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IriverBoot 15.48.47 # XavierGr: track changes are definitely pop/click/squeak free for me, I've just been skipping all over trying to reproduce another bug and have thusly failed to reproduce that bug or yours :-P 15.48.59 # then whats it for? 15.49.16 # agabus: not familiar with anything to do with the stock firmware, not used it ever. 15.49.29 # snake952: audio player ? 15.49.46 # yeh but i want to 15.49.51 # play vids 15.49.52 # gapless, multi-codec, and much more stuff 15.50.05 # wrong player then eh? 15.50.34 # h300 sucks at playing video - small screen for starters 15.51.01 # petur: Don't confuse him, he'll start applying buyer's defence logic! 15.51.08 # :P 15.51.25 # maybe the games rockbox offers are more interesting? 15.51.33 # games? 15.51.50 # brickmania, terox, doom,... ? 15.51.59 # see manual -> plugins 15.52.05 # is there any one here who can help me with my H320 15.52.16 # what is your problem? 15.52.28 # i want it to play videos 15.52.36 # You just wasted a lot of money if you bought the H320 to play videos. 15.52.39 # snake952: then use the stock firmware. 15.52.41 Join agabus__ [0] (n=agabus@203-217-54-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) 15.52.50 # you can dual boot rockbox 15.52.54 # i have 15.53.04 # snake952: then what's your problem, dudddddeee 15.53.13 # press REC before ON and hold ON until stock fw starts 15.53.17 # it keeps saying not supported and skipping the files 15.53.24 # snake952: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=10319&highlight=iriverter 15.53.25 # Getting videos to work on the iRiver is quite simple. 15.53.28 # You only need to do one thing. 15.53.29 # rtfm 15.53.40 # snake952: there are some good guides available on misticriver 15.53.50 # read them 15.54.21 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 15.54.36 # ah, tech support arrives 15.54.40 # :P 15.54.46 # Paul_The_Nerd, salutations! 15.55.10 # Howdy 15.55.31 # can he help? 15.55.53 # snake952: not for h300 I think 15.56.19 # snake952: please *read* the guides available on misticriver 15.56.43 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RTFM <-- Read this 15.56.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: do you have pops/artifacts when manually skipping tracks on your coldfire? 15.57.19 # please read the fortran manual? 15.57.23 # Yes 15.57.24 # Precisely. 15.57.38 # The FORTRAN manual is less of a manual, ore of a guide on how to live your life. 15.57.46 # What's the problem? 15.57.49 # goodie, thanks for the tip! 15.57.57 # lostlogic: Gimme a second. I don't normally manually skip tracks. Also, is it okay if I'm using the first pcmbuf.c change that fixed the crossfade freeze, or should I update first? 15.58.04 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 15.58.08 # * petur wanders off in search of a fortran manual 15.58.22 # Paul_The_Nerd: I don't think it will matter as long as you have crossfade _off_ for the test. 15.58.43 # lostlogic: I get the same reaction with H140. left/right file change is quick but has audio artifacts, while filebrowser change is slower (not a problem for me) but is perfect. 15.59.24 # lostlogic: Nothing noticeable. Maybe a very very very small one here and there that's probably just the contrast between the two songs. That's 15.59.35 # TeaSea: i love how under see also on thatt wiki page it has unix man pages.. 15.59.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: get it on buffer and see if you get artifacts. 16.00.06 # ok 16.00.17 # JdGordon: Heh yes 16.00.31 # its still saying not supported 16.00.43 # rockbox doesn't support videos 16.00.52 # im not using it 16.00.59 # im using the original firmwar 16.00.59 # okay, then you're in the wrong channel guy 16.01.01 # *ware 16.01.07 # theres no where else 16.01.37 # lostlogic: Okay, same thing. If it's in a silent or quiet part of the song, nothing. If it's in an active part of the song, *maybe* an artifact. I think though it's just contrast because of the sudden change. It's a very crisp change to the next track. 16.02.01 # snake952: one presumes you've already tried the guides and forums on misticriver.net ? 16.02.13 # snake952: If you have problems with your original H300 firmware, contact iRiver support. Clearly, we did not write it and would not have the knowledge or resources available to us that they do. 16.02.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: thanks 16.02.41 Quit JdGordon ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 16.02.52 # but 16.03.00 # it should play i just upgraded it 16.03.08 # *thud* 16.03.12 # XavierGr: dunno what to tell ya -- I can't reproduce, and neither can my faithful reproducer of bugs here... anything else that you might have in your settings different than us? 16.04.10 # snake952: did you upgrade to 1.30? 16.04.25 # lostlogic, I had a stranges during playback, I skip and delete files/tracks extensively, after doing this for a few albums, playback got confused, it would still play a bit of the previous song before playing the selected song. the wps was acuurate and up to date, playback seemed disorientated. hopes this makes sense 16.04.43 # no 16.04.45 # 1.25 16.04.50 # but dont forget im in aus 16.04.58 # lostlogic: Maybe *maybe* a very small click. Sometimes. But it seems to be much more dependent on the actual audio than anything else, and requires a *lot* of hard-rock style noise. 16.05.03 # lostlogic: so other H300, H140 users dont encounter these pops,clicks? 16.05.27 # I'm just waiting for my H340 to charge... 16.05.56 # snake952: you won't get more help here, post your question at misticriver and prepare to get RTFM'd there ... 16.05.57 # XavierGr: Yup. I'm testing on an H120 right now. 16.05.57 # how long does it take a 340 to charge on average? 16.05.58 # leftright: define skip / delete 16.06.19 # goffa: About 2-3 hours here 16.06.27 # not bad 16.06.29 # Paul: and track change with left/right is perfect for you? 16.06.40 # thinking about getting one 16.07.25 # leftright: I think that will end up being the same bug as the one I'm currently chasing, fwiw. 16.08.12 # lostloigc, I start listening to track 1 in a new album, I dont like the track skip to the next, whilst the next is playing I go and delete previous file that i dont like, and so on 16.08.12 # XavierGr: Every now and then a *very* small click, that I think is actually just the sudden change from a loud song to a quiet one. 16.08.30 # XavierGr: But easily 90% or more of the changes have nothing noticeable at all about them. 16.09.41 # oh well look no vids for me 16.10.05 # lostlogic: I can confirm next track skipping works great with crossfade! 16.10.07 Join Mindship-03 [0] (n=Jouke@81-171-30-236.dsl.fiberworld.nl) 16.10.37 # Although the browser selection doesn't (same as before) 16.10.41 # snake952: do you actually read or just type around? 16.10.47 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp123-179.adsl.forthnet.gr) 16.10.47 # I presume I can install Grub on my IHP-140's HDD MBR without making the firmware unbootable? 16.10.54 Join agabus_ [0] (n=agabus@203-217-54-108.dyn.iinet.net.au) 16.10.55 # it all goes so fast 16.11.09 Quit agabus (Connection timed out) 16.11.14 # snake952: this channel is about *rockbox*, not iriver firmware 16.11.15 # why what did i miss? 16.11.26 # yeh well i thought u guys could help 16.11.53 # lostlogic: Without crossfade, both work perfectly here - not even a click. 16.12.02 # anybody point me to some docs for mounting h140 under linux? I just plugged it in for the first time and can't find it! 16.12.11 Quit agabus__ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 16.12.24 # petur: but you, of all people, would know wether Rockbox can boot w/ Grub in its MBR... 16.12.38 # RedBreva^: try mounting it! 16.12.52 # Ah - it stops if I'm playing a track (and on the WPS) then I go back to the browser and select the currently playing track 16.12.55 # (mount /dev/sda1 /mnt (or sda5)) 16.12.55 # my point exactly - how? 16.13.01 # This is with crossfade off 16.13.08 # your kernel must support it 16.13.16 Quit snake952 () 16.13.18 # XavierGr: I get those glitches occasionally (maybe one in 20 skips). Not sure whether it got better with latest cvs, as I generally don't skip often 16.13.25 # you are experienced with mounting RedBreva^? 16.13.36 # lostlogic: For reference, with the same songs and the same headphones, the H120 and the iPod Nano sound the same skipping next songs. 16.13.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: good to know 16.13.56 # thanks for all the effort everyone 16.13.59 Part leftright 16.14.06 # amiconn: any idea what might be different on the skips that glitch slightly? 16.14.09 # no, never done it before - linux newbie 16.14.10 # lostlogic: I realized that was a better way to do it than just say "Umm... I don't *think* there are artifacts." :) 16.14.24 # lostlogic: Sorry, no, and no way to test atm 16.14.40 # I just tried the above command but it wants to know the filesystem type 16.14.44 # My swcodec devices are all @home 16.14.46 # amiconn: np, thanks -- if it's the same between ipod and coldfire I can at least try and recreate. 16.14.58 # RedBreva: tried sda5 too? 16.15.11 # * amiconn chose the Ondio today 16.15.19 # yep - same thing 16.15.19 # damn, I get clicks and pops almost always. 16.15.27 # ..with an -Os build (3.3.6 so far) 16.15.27 # Mp3? 16.15.49 # and fdisk -t /dev/sda? 16.16.07 # what's that do? 16.16.09 # XavierGR: I'm using exclusively 128kpbs MP3, 44.1kHz 16.16.28 # print the partition table of the device (if supported) 16.16.44 # OK.. 16.17.03 # if it doesn't print something nice your kernel probably does not support USB-mass storage or you need to insert the modules 16.17.12 # (which distro are you running?) 16.17.30 # pondlife: I use all sorts of bitrates, but in my tests I try to use more standart ones. (128kbps mp3) 16.17.48 # Debian Sarge 16.18.12 # -t didn't , so I tried -l, no output! 16.18.17 # Oof, I run that too, but with my own kernel. 16.18.22 # I will try wave files 16.18.52 # try grep SCSI /boot/conf 16.19.07 # there must be some line telling SCSI-disk or so... 16.19.16 # (don't know, I'm at school now) 16.19.37 # is that press the tab key, or type ? sorry - real newbie.. 16.20.04 # press it! 16.20.09 # autocompletion 16.20.12 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.20.24 # XavierGr: What sort of headphones are you using? Maybe they're more noticeable on yours or something 16.20.57 # I hope that would be the case, but I am testing right now with some very crappy ones. 16.21.08 # But I will test with other phones too. 16.21.27 # I will try and record the pops for you to hear later. 16.22.41 # two screens of info... What am I looking for? 16.22.43 # I'm using PX100s, so they're fairly decent. 16.22.45 Join klrspz [0] (n=klrSpz@69.15.248.2) 16.23.17 # lol... you can scroll using less, or ctrl-alt-pgup 16.23.42 # you need to see if it says SCSI-disk=y (or alike) somewhere 16.24.02 # lostlogic: Why should selection from the browser be any different from next track selection? Next track works great even with very long tracks where it's unlikely to have the next track buffered... 16.24.36 # has anyone reported any issues with powering off on an iPod? 16.25.37 # i let mine "idle power-off" last night, but it looked like the screen had some articles still left on it, after 3 hours of letting it sit it had dropped 10% battery power, i put it in retail os, let it sit for another 3 hours and it didn't drop but maybe 1% battery power 16.25.46 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@dslb-084-056-074-210.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.25.48 # at least crossfade works perfect!!! 16.26.11 # whee.. a feature i'll never use :) 16.26.22 # hmm.. wasn't workign for me 16.26.24 # lots of CONFIG_SCSI_xxxx=m ??? 16.27.04 Join freqmod [0] (n=freqmod@254.80-203-96.nextgentel.com) 16.27.36 # Is USB-HDD something I need to enable somewhere? 16.27.55 # ah, so it is a module. It is stupid of Sarge not to set things up automagically (at least, it does semi-auto with me). Perhaps Ubuntu would have been better for a newbie, but he! I learned at Debian too! 16.28.00 # <_FireFly_> RedBreva^: only scsi-disk-support and usb-masstorage 16.30.41 # what does the rockbox.ipod actually contain? is that the engine? 16.30.50 # The binary. 16.30.52 # (i haven't built anything yet) 16.30.55 # yeah ok 16.30.58 # couldn't get on with Ubuntu, but I liked the debian that was in the VMWare image, once KDE was installed, trouble was I then ran out of disk space :( 16.31.00 # klrspz: That's the main firmware binary. 16.31.12 # Like "Rockbox.exe" but y'know... for iPod. 16.31.15 # :-P 16.31.17 # yeah i getcha 16.31.19 # the elf 16.31.37 # i just got the source dl'd, just gotta decide whether i want to use the sim or not 16.31.50 # cuz i don't have a monitor for my gentoo box 16.31.58 # even though i DO have FB set up 16.40.04 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.41.14 # lostlogic: Did you check the linecount changes resulting from your rework recently? 16.41.17 # * amiconn is curious 16.42.23 Join webguest72 [0] (n=57c111f4@labb.contactor.se) 16.43.04 # hi 16.43.20 # WooooOooo... mount /dev/sde1 /mnt Thank you Google 16.43.20 # and Mindship-03 for pointing me in the right direction... 16.43.59 # Remember this feeling. You'll be seeking for it a lot as a Linux newbie. 16.44.02 # http://www.patriciawaller.com/images.html 16.44.12 # amiconn: you mean bytecount of course 16.44.13 # RedBreva^, might wanna make a folder under /mnt 16.44.40 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.44.44 # i need help ...! i want to record with my "jukebox recorder 20" over lineIn but it will record only mono ?! .... 16.45.21 # how do I un-mount it ? 16.45.30 # umount 16.45.54 # tried that - command not found - 16.46.04 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.46.06 # sure you didn't type unmount? 16.46.14 # Ahhhh! 16.46.16 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.46.38 # Now the device is busy ;( 16.46.41 # spricht hier jemand deutsch ?! 16.46.47 # can I force it? 16.46.55 # RedBreva^: you can't sit in the directory when you umount it 16.47.03 # amiconn: no, I haven't in a while. 16.48.08 # pondlife: selecting a new track from the browser creates a new playlist which must be started, which is currently a whole different situation than a next track skip. That's not to say that it should stay that way, but that's how it is. My general thought on fixing new track from browser is to make it act a lot like a manual track skip. 16.48.25 # I have closed all open windows, but its still busy... 16.49.01 # lost.. i think i like that :) 16.49.17 # RedBreva^:Try to install fuser, if you don't have it("apt-get install fuser" as root). and then run "fuser -c /dev/" 16.49.30 Quit webguest72 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.49.51 # RedBreva^: if you would have been on M$Windows, somebody would have said something like 'windows sucks' 16.50.04 # lostlogic: I guess the playlist and playback handling shouldn't be too intertwined..! Good luck (again).. 16.50.16 # petur: but it does 16.50.19 # ;) 16.50.21 # hehehe, harsh, but true :) 16.50.30 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.53.36 # "fuser -c /dev/sde1" gave me "/dev/sde1: 2332" 16.53.57 # Then ps ax|grep 2332 gives you? 16.54.32 # 2332 ? Ss 0:01 /usr/sbin/famd -T 0 16.54.47 Join m [0] (n=m@158.135.0.128) 16.54.49 # wow, fam isn't dead? 16.55.01 # WTF is fam? 16.55.02 # Installing something in irivers mbr wouldn't make rockbox-loader unbootable, would it? 16.55.11 Quit dwihno (Remote closed the connection) 16.55.23 # you may try to kill it, force an exit ("kill 2332") 16.55.41 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 16.57.07 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.57.15 # a quick and dirty fix to the playlist/play from menu problem may be to stop the playback before the new song is started (unfortunatly it won't work that well with crossfading) 16.57.25 # Mindship-03: No, why? 16.58.03 # amiconn: just to be sure ;-) 16.58.16 Join bluebrother [0] (i=2XwsDk6k@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 16.58.30 # All rockbox needs to boot is a fat32 primary partition. It doesn't care about partition active flags or other stuff in the mbr 16.58.35 # imagine I installed grub and the device wouldn't boot anymore! 16.58.38 # freqmod: yes. actually that's what it tries to do now, but fails. 16.58.55 # it works when i do it manually 16.59.24 # You can partition your device as you like. Rockbox will use the first fat32 partition it can find 17.00.37 # amiconn: I know, I have it highly customized, but still use a floppy to boot (my computer does no USB boot, so I didn't need it). But at school USB boot is supported, and there are no floppy-drives! 17.00.47 # freqmod: of course -- the problem is the sequence of events that happens in this case. It's a bug in how stop is processed vs. a 'automatic stop'. I may need another condition to identify automatic vs. user controlled stops for this as well as another bug. 17.02.08 # could be that just invalidating the buffer, changing the playlist, forcing a buffer fill, and then triggering a next track event will be the better way to handle selection of a new file from the browser. 17.02.57 # You could always clear all the playlist entries but the current one, then insert the new playlist, then do a next track even, and then delete the previously playing song from the playlist, just to make things horribly complicated. :-P 17.03.05 # Is there any way to set the pcm to 8bit mono? :) 17.03.45 # amiconn: Mini 2Gs display battery status, right? 17.04.22 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-155.VIC.netspace.net.au) 17.04.58 # Paul_The_Nerd: couldn't it do that twice just to make sure its right? 17.06.37 Join fairway [0] (n=fairway@84-73-128-224.dclient.hispeed.ch) 17.07.02 # hi guys. i got a problem with my iaudio u3. i know this is an off-topic question but maybe still someone knows 17.07.22 # I upgraded the firmware to 1.21 now the problem is that the firmware on the player is hanging while upgrading 17.07.27 # and the player is going in off-mode again 17.07.41 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-15455804a9b6839f) 17.07.53 # I would like to know how to get the player again recognized as USB drive 17.08.00 # from the PC 17.08.11 Quit ashridah (Client Quit) 17.08.14 # amiconn: pcmbuf.c has gained 27 lines of late. 17.08.19 Quit HCl (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 NSplit clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.08.19 Quit bluebrother (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit Kohlrabi (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit Paul_The_Nerd (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit mbr (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit BoD[away] (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit kackerlac (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit kkurbjun (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit amiconn (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit RedBreva^ (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit solexx (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit Galois (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit PiXEL8 (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit eaz (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit Ave (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit humulus (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit rob- (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit dark (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit Sinbios (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit perldiver (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.19 Quit steveb (clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net) 17.08.52 # splitnode! 17.11.58 NHeal clarke.freenode.net irc.freenode.net 17.11.58 NJoin bluebrother [0] (i=2XwsDk6k@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 17.11.58 NJoin Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) 17.11.58 NJoin Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 17.11.58 NJoin perldiver [0] (n=say@cpe-68-173-42-25.nyc.res.rr.com) 17.11.58 NJoin RedBreva^ [0] (n=redbreva@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 17.11.58 NJoin amiconn [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 17.11.58 NJoin Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@69.156.116.162) 17.11.58 NJoin solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d051022.adsl.hansenet.de) 17.11.58 NJoin HCl [0] (i=hcl@rockbox/developer/HCl) 17.11.58 NJoin Galois [0] (i=djao@efnet-math.org) 17.11.58 NJoin kkurbjun [0] (n=Jim@c-24-8-222-177.hsd1.co.comcast.net) 17.11.58 NJoin eaz [0] (n=operator@cm109-207.liwest.at) 17.11.58 NJoin humulus [0] (n=humulus@yogi.htu.tuwien.ac.at) 17.11.58 NJoin Ave [0] (i=ave@GKDXXXII.dsl.saunalahti.fi) 17.11.58 NJoin steveb [0] (n=steve@about/cooking/nakedchef/risotto/steveb) 17.11.58 NJoin dark [0] (i=deviled_@unaffiliated/darkx) 17.11.58 NJoin kackerlac [0] (i=eax@c-b19b72d5.07-40-6e6b701.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) 17.11.58 NJoin PiXEL8 [0] (n=PiXEL8@c-24-5-212-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.11.58 NJoin BoD[away] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 17.11.58 NJoin rob- [0] (n=robbie@haylott.plus.com) 17.11.58 NJoin mbr [0] (n=mb@stz-softwaretechnik.de) 17.12.08 # I like the cloak of steveb :D 17.12.09 # bye bye everybody 17.12.12 # and welcome back 17.12.36 # lol 17.12.38 # "steve@about/cooking/nakedchef/risotto/steveb" 17.12.48 Quit Paul_The_Nerd ("Leaving.") 17.12.49 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 17.13.11 # That was fun. 17.13.11 # Not sure what happen then... but so good so far, but still puzled... I have now mounted my H140 to /mnt/iriver, and can see it in the file manager, but have no access to delete or modify the files in there... 17.13.23 # Ok, thats what happend then! 17.13.25 # lostlogic: Is "low buffer whatzit" a technical term? 17.13.41 # Bah, the usual freenode-crapping-out problem again 17.13.45 # * Paul_The_Nerd wants the cloak "@do/not/ask/me/where/to/get/roms/or/else" 17.13.48 # hmmm? 17.14.03 # I upgraded the firmware to 1.21 now the problem is that the firmware on the player is hanging while upgrading 17.14.05 # I would like to know how to get the player again recognized as USB drive 17.14.14 # yes. freenodes usual crappy splits 17.14.28 # petur: you should have seen it a few months ago 17.14.47 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, and so is "twitchy" 17.15.14 # anyone? how to write enable /mnt/iriver, or do I have to work with it as root? 17.15.27 # steve@director/ircguide/about/seo/about/fish/about/uk 17.15.30 # RedBreva^: man mount 17.15.31 # fairway: Contact iAudio support. 17.15.32 # i think i had something else as well 17.15.53 # RedBreva^: you want -o uid 17.15.55 # RedBreva^: that depends on your configuration -- you can make a mount that users can mount and be rw. 17.16.52 # RedBeva^: This is my mount command for my ipod writable from my user (freqmod) mount /dev/sda2 /media/ipod/ -o iocharset=utf8,uid=freqmod,utf8,shortname=mixed -t vfat 17.17.25 # you don't need utf8 twice 17.17.27 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-61-205.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.17.43 # /dev/sda2 /mnt/ipod vfat sync,noauto,user,umask=177,dmask=077,noexec 0 0 17.17.50 # my fstab entry for ipod that allows users to mount it. 17.17.53 # Mikachu:yea, wathevar, it works 17.18.02 # *whatever 17.18.35 # :) 17.19.20 # i used to let kde/hal manage it but linux-2.6.17-rc1 has a problem with it (linux-2.6.16-rc6 works) 17.19.30 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.75) 17.19.30 # hey 17.19.30 # I have problem 17.20.11 # My debian auto-mounts the iriver when plugging in 17.20.28 # If is going to play music, must press NAVI button two times. 17.20.31 # Now if I knew how to tell it to turn off write caching... 17.20.53 # Is it normal? 17.21.13 # amiconn: you probably don't want to do that 17.21.36 # Jungti1234: It is a current bug that if you play some music, and then selects something else from the file/tagcache view it does not work the first time. 17.21.46 # the linux fat driver writes out the fat after every block it writes or something like that 17.21.49 Quit m ("Visit www.DiggIRC.com today!") 17.22.00 # if you have write caching turned off 17.22.41 # read near the end of the log of this channel for more information ( http://www.rockbox.org/irc/current.txt ) 17.22.42 # what's mean? 17.22.58 # amiconn: just add sync to the options? 17.23.07 # Mikachu: I do want that. I am used to just pull the usb plug 17.23.14 # lostlogic: To which options? 17.23.27 # The device is auto-mounted just by plugging it in 17.23.42 # amiconn: there will be an automount config entry for usb mass storage devices, to which you can add sync... 17.23.57 # never used automount or supermount or such myself so I don't know where specifically 17.23.59 # you will most likely confuse linux usb block device driver if you unplug it without umount-/eject-ing it first 17.24.06 # Now if I knew where 17.24.20 Nick Gargamal1 is now known as Gargamale (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 17.24.24 # Mikachu: Then that's a clear disadvantage of linux 17.24.28 # <_FireFly_> amiconn is hal used to create the fstab entry ? 17.24.29 Quit fairway () 17.24.40 # amiconn: yes, the usb mass storage driver is not perfect 17.24.40 # _FireFly_: I dunno 17.24.51 # it craps out less if you eject properly 17.24.57 # <_FireFly_> amiconn: vfat usb-flashdisk and sync option are a bad group ;) 17.25.02 # It just works in gnome; have no idea how 17.25.18 # <_FireFly_> then it is hal if you get an fstab entry for the drive 17.25.19 Quit RedBreva^ ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 17.25.23 # amiconn: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/127 17.25.52 # seems to be related to this, but as a non-debian, non-anything-automatic linux user, I'm just guessing and googling ;) 17.26.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.27.13 # <_FireFly_> amiconn search for vfat in the files in /usr/share/hal/fdi 17.28.23 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@SDF.LONESTAR.ORG) 17.29.21 # hey, Is it bug? 17.32.25 Join RedBreva^ [0] (n=redbreva@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 17.32.26 Quit solexx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.33.20 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.34.03 Quit RedBreva^ (Remote closed the connection) 17.34.03 # Jungti1234: that question didn't translate right. 17.36.25 # bah :/ 17.37.20 # um 17.37.31 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d157066.adsl.hansenet.de) 17.39.06 # If play music, It must press NAVI button two times. 17.39.51 # Jungti1234: to select a new song while music is playing? 17.39.59 # Jungti1234: You probably have the option "1st keypress enables backlight only" enabled 17.40.17 # nono 17.40.19 # If this is the case, and the backlight is off, the behaviour is by design 17.40.39 # If I press NAVI button once, music is begun. 17.41.06 # But, soon it ends. 17.41.37 # Then, I must press NAVI button again and play music. 17.41.39 # or Play button 17.42.06 # Jungti1234: and this is immediately after starting the player, with no music playing? 17.42.19 # no 17.42.33 # Jungti1234: ? 17.42.38 # ? 17.42.52 Part lwithers 17.43.22 # Jungti1234: what was the state of the player when this problem occurred. was music playing, or was it idle? 17.43.30 # you have H300? 17.43.41 # no, I have an ipod. 17.43.51 # Music was playing. 17.43.55 # known bug. 17.44.07 # am vaguely working on it 17.44.14 # Is it bug? 17.44.21 # it is a bug. 17.44.26 # Do you understand? 17.44.53 # Anyone ever seent he iPod stick on the rockbox loading the screen, the screen that has your CVS date ont he bottom? 17.44.55 # yes 17.45.04 # ok 17.45.16 # Gargamale: a user just reported that to me when a voice file is present on ipod video. 17.45.31 # Voice file? 17.45.39 # lostlogic: It may be fixed soon, right? 17.45.47 # hmm.... well that's not the one you're having then. 17.45.59 # Jungti1234: it's in the queue with a lot of other playback related bugs currently 17.46.01 # lostlogic: Where would it reside and what file extension? 17.46.14 # Gargamale: It'd be .voice and in the langs folder 17.46.35 Quit petur ("sport!") 17.47.40 # ok 17.47.40 # bye 17.47.40 Quit Jungti1234 () 17.47.40 # Gargamale: There's several things that can make it hang on that screen. I found that Dircache was doing it for me with a build from yesterda. 17.47.41 # Gargamale: This was on an H120 though 17.47.42 # Gargamale: If you reset your settings, does it freeze with the "Settings Cleared" displayed? 17.48.30 # I never get past that screen 17.48.35 # So no resetting settings 17.48.42 # Umm 17.48.51 # You can reset settings before/at that screen 17.48.58 # Via? 17.49.00 # By enabling the hold switch immediately after powering on. 17.49.11 # O yeah 17.49.21 # Forgot about that trick 17.49.28 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.49.30 # I found that voice file in langs too 17.49.38 # Oh 17.49.50 # Then just delete the .voice file for now (or move it to another folder) 17.49.55 # yeah 17.50.07 # Im also gonna upgrade to 0425 17.50.14 # I had the same problems with 0423 and 0424 17.50.21 # But I bet its the voice file thing 17.50.29 # Prolly 17.50.40 # Even though I put that on there like 2 weeks ago 17.51.40 # Well, the voice bugs have come in and out 17.51.56 # That worked 17.51.58 # Thank ye 17.53.30 # I frickin love rockbox 17.53.44 # I love the ability to design it as I see fit 17.55.11 # yeah, 4/24 still had the voice file bug. 17.55.32 # Right on, easily solved 17.56.08 Join JBGood [0] (i=Johnq@128.237.231.193) 17.56.17 # * goffa would love the ablility to design it as he saw fit.. 17.56.24 # might actually have to start learning c 17.56.27 # scary thought 17.56.34 # goffa: was gonna say, it's opensource, do what you want :) 17.56.45 # Woah 17.56.48 # ID3 is fixed 17.56.53 # It was pulling track numbers wrong 17.57.00 # wel... i have the FREEDOM to change.. just not the ability at this point 17.57.25 # How so? 17.57.53 # ahh, another lovely mailing list mail that was never meant to be... 17.57.57 # Shuts down way bette rnow too lostlogic 17.58.13 # 0425 is teh bombz0r 17.58.37 # Need to check if crossfade makes playback stutter later 18.00.10 # Gargamale: I'm working on crossfade at this second, so you might want to grab a bleeding edge later before you look into it. 18.00.49 # Cools 18.00.59 # There were crossfade updates in 0425 too, eh? 18.01.08 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3158.gwdg.de) 18.01.10 Quit JBGood25 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.01.15 # unsure, I can never tell when the damn dailies are built :-P 18.01.46 # Aye, trust ye not in the daily build for it may lead ye astray. Put thy faith instead in the bleeding edge so that ye may know what ye shall receive. 18.02.01 # uhh... what he said. 18.02.13 # Bleeding edges arent compiled, though, are they? 18.02.17 # Yeah they are 18.02.24 # URL? 18.02.31 # The CVS Builds page from the front page 18.02.40 # * Paul_The_Nerd points out that it says "Builds" and not "Sources" ;-) 18.03.10 # lostlogic: Afaik the dailies are built at 6:00 am cet (or maybe cest during summer) 18.03.25 # ah, that's not so bad... 11pm my time 18.04.21 # I reconfigured the flush_crossfade function like 123123098 times in the last day in order to try and avoid a goto. IT"S GETTING A DAMN GOTO NOW *cough* to improve crossfade performance and stuff. 18.04.38 Quit Mindship-03 ("byre") 18.05.05 # So the dailies just commit whateve ris in the CVS @ 6 18.05.18 # Gargamale: yeah, that's why Paul and I keep telling people to use CVS builds. 18.05.27 # Yeah Im a dolt 18.05.30 # Sorry 18.05.37 # Im on it, nigglet 18.05.40 # not your fault, every does it ;) 18.05.42 # Hahaha 18.05.42 # Yuuuup 18.05.44 # Yeah 18.05.51 # every/everyone/ 18.05.58 # My big concern is how many people think the dailies are somehow magically "more stable" and judge rockbox performance on a bad daily 18.06.06 # mmhmm 18.06.07 # O no 18.06.13 # I know the stable builds are stable 18.06.20 # The oes listed as official release 18.06.26 # I know those are the only "stable" 18.06.31 # Actually, even 2.5 has a few complaints levied against it. 18.06.34 # I just like having the latest features 18.06.43 # And Im willing to do some bug testing to have those features 18.07.02 # In fact I like doing the testing, makes me feel like Im helping 18.07.08 # Hehehe 18.07.12 # Feel, being operative 18.07.19 # testing is useful... 18.07.29 # Unless I find the same shit you already know about 18.07.32 # Which has been the case 18.07.34 # :P 18.07.40 # Gargamale: ;) 18.07.46 # Like the stutter playback while scrolling 18.07.53 # Gargamale: you'll have a better chance of being first report on CVS builds ;) 18.08.00 # Yeah, I realize that 18.08.03 # Now 18.08.04 # hehe 18.08.16 # I know you guys probably dont hear much of this, but thank you 18.08.24 # You fixed my iPod from being gay 18.08.35 # damn, we can adjust things' sexuality!? 18.08.40 # I'm often the last to know about a bug, but the first to test a fix that works. Which is often quite suitable for me. ;-) 18.08.44 # I hated the damn white and blue gayass UI on the Apple fw 18.09.09 Join Farpnut [0] (n=solo84@cm65.sigma6.maxonline.com.sg) 18.09.11 # My eyes conform to white on black much better 18.10.23 # When I say gay, I mean stupid, it's slang around here (Indiana) for stupid or uncool 18.10.38 Join ScootScat_ [0] (n=yeahrigh@71-80-131-108.dhcp.hspr.ca.charter.com) 18.10.54 # Who wants to convert a font for me? 18.10.55 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-11-134.tn.glocalnet.net) 18.10.57 # Dont all volunteer 18.11.58 # If you are on (UNIX) linux you may use, and then rockbox's bdf2fnt, if not i may do it: http://crl.nmsu.edu/~mleisher/ttf2bdf.html 18.12.05 # I know 18.12.07 # But Im not 18.12.14 # which font? 18.12.22 # And I don feel like installing configuring cygwin just to convert one font 18.12.26 # Haxrcorp 18.12.33 # Well, VMWare s much faster to install/configure 18.12.41 # Since it's mostly one-click 18.12.47 # (where) do I get that? 18.12.56 # http://www.dafont.com/haxrcorp-s8.font 18.13.40 # Its a clean small font I like for indexing music 18.13.49 # Used it on the Apple fw 18.13.57 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081BC93.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.15.15 # "file HaxrCorp_S8.fon" gives "HaxrCorp_S8.fon: NE executable for MS Windows 3.x" 18.15.46 # Paul_The_Nerd: want to tell the low buffer twitchiness crowd on the forums that when the next next build completes their bug should go bye bye. 18.16.06 # freqmod: Not in a valid format? 18.16.56 # lostlogic: That was the "Crossfade does funny sounding things that aren't *quite* right" thing? 18.17.00 # Gargamale: I think so, otf2bdf gives a segmentation fault :( 18.17.01 # With the whatzit and such? 18.17.09 # Suckie 18.17.48 # freqmod: http://www.customize.org/details/37721 18.18.00 Quit Farpenoodle (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.18.04 # maybe a fon2bdf exists... 18.18.27 # Or a fon2ttf 18.18.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: nvm, managed to post my own lazy self :) 18.18.50 # nope, fon&bdf is pixmap fonts ttf are vector 18.19.15 # lostlogic: Hahaha. Bah. 18.19.51 # ok, I officially declare crossfade working. 18.19.56 # preglow: around? 18.19.59 # Good. 18.20.04 # Now fix something important. :-P 18.20.07 # lostlogic: wee \o/ 18.20.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: ugh -- yeah, play/stop, or play/select new are next victims. 18.20.25 # lostlogic: let's try it first ;P 18.20.26 # Moos: yea 18.21.13 # * lostlogic turns crossfade the heck off 18.21.16 # preglow: the patch is simply "marvellous" perfect seeking+some performences improuvments 18.21.17 # freqmod: http://www.proggyfonts.com/fontforums/viewtopic.php?p=200&highlight=&sid=aad1e809be85ac5dccaaeb4cb5d9bc7c 18.21.25 # lostlogic: Still, you got a \o/, doesn't that make it all worth it? 18.21.36 # preglow: just the annoying last song bug :( 18.21.40 # :) 18.21.46 # preglow: any thought about? 18.21.53 # No more last songs! 18.21.56 # Anyone know a trick around the the 'The device cannot be stopped right now. Try stopping the device later' error? 18.22.04 # In Windows? 18.22.07 # yup 18.22.10 # Close iTunes 18.22.16 # i dont use itunes 18.22.18 # goffa: around? 18.22.19 # Or anything using the ipod 18.22.24 # Or device 18.22.29 # there isnt anything usising the ipod 18.22.38 # otherwise i wouldnt be asking 18.22.41 # You can double click and manually stop it 18.22.42 # Moos: you mean the hang at the end of the track? 18.22.44 Join RotAtoR [0] (n=e@rockbox/developer/rotator) 18.22.50 # yeah :( 18.22.52 # lostlogic: Oooh... Is there an open bug for "Random track change in the middle of a song"? 18.22.57 # hi RotAtoR 18.23.07 # hi Moos 18.23.15 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah its called you sat on the FF button, j.k. 18.23.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: probably relates to having previously confused playback buffer, recommend stop playback and resume. 18.23.38 # Gargamale: double clicking and going in and choosing the ipod results in the same error 18.23.45 # Looks like there's some musepack testing to be done? 18.23.52 # Moos: should be a simple bug 18.23.58 # yep 18.24.04 # RotAtoR: feel free to test the musepack seek patch on some of your files, please :) 18.24.07 # dinnertiume! 18.24.07 # Paul_The_Nerd: and that is also on my list of wtfs -- sometimes skips are still not landing on the right buffer used / buffer read point and its resulting in varoius stupidity. 18.24.07 # lostlogic: I haven't pressed a button since I started playback 18.24.12 # oh... 18.24.14 # preglow: sure :) 18.24.14 # lostlogic: is possible you introduced this musepack bug? 18.24.17 # uhh, then no, there isn't a bug open for it. 18.24.36 # Moos: It's vaguely possible, annotate the mpc.c file and see what I did to it 18.24.53 # RotAtoR: the patch work like a charm here, just the skeep problem 18.25.09 # lostlogic: you was the last to touch it :p 18.25.10 # :) 18.25.14 # lostlogic: It was in a flac song. Playback dropped out, the disk started reading, playback resumed, dropped out, then came back on a different song. It skipped over one, to the one after. 18.25.15 # Hrmph, build system seems to hang again 18.25.19 # Moos: ok, i had tried earlier versions of the patches and they seemed to work fairly well 18.25.22 # Bagder? t0mas? 18.25.28 # hanging? 18.25.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: ahh, I assume the song is > 30m? 18.25.40 # no... 18.25.48 # lostlogic: Also, my Codec Buffer is in the negatives again. 18.25.49 # lostlogic: there are no auto skeep after end of song anymore for mpcs 18.25.51 # Gargamale: i am fetching the wine source and see if i find a fnt2bdf converter it it. 18.26.00 # Moos: huh? 18.26.08 # freqmod: You are a good man/friend 18.26.11 # Thank ye 18.26.13 # RotAtoR: yeah!!! +less boost ratio 18.26.15 # lostlogic: The song was ~5 minutes... "The Invisible Man" by Queen. 18.26.21 # t0mas: Ah ok, now it finished 18.26.22 # Moos: Nice!! 18.26.37 # amiconn: give it some time :) 18.26.38 # Somehow the build times are going up quite a bit 18.26.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: how big is a 5m flac? 18.27.01 # Too damn big 18.27.06 # Gargamale: The solution was to kill Explorer in task manager and restart it 18.27.06 # The log is looking a bit mangled: SRVPRN00 (WSUS), 18.27.08 # lostlogic: for mpcs, when track 1s or 2 before finish, it hang, and need to manually skeep for next track, any thought? 18.27.11 # woops 18.27.13 # Un momento, por favor. 18.27.17 # scott666_: Thanks for the tip 18.27.22 # Moos: it's known, I think preglow was looking at it yesterady 18.27.24 # http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/dbg-2006-04-25%2016:13:45.log 18.27.30 # scott666_: Sounds like Explorer left a file in use and crashed 18.27.37 # amiconn: we have a new server 18.27.41 # still filling ccache 18.27.42 # yeah 18.27.46 # towards the end there are incomplete lines 18.27.48 # so that might be the time problem :) 18.27.58 Quit ScootScat (Connection timed out) 18.28.11 # lostlogic: yeah we all know it, but how to fix it? that is the question, it seems that's your changes making this ;P 18.28.18 # t0mas: have you developed a protocol for dropping servers who are more likely to hold up the process overall? 18.28.22 # lostlogic: ~26.1mb. 18.28.36 # lostlogic: It stopped somewhere in the middle, I assume it was the last track in the buffer. 18.28.37 # Wow, 494 seconds for _one_ build... 18.28.37 # lostlogic: not yet, we've done that manually the last 2 times 18.28.46 # Paul_The_Nerd: hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm, just near the size of the file buffer, can you compare its size to the size of the buffer in bytes? 18.29.02 # t0mas: ah, so you have done it, cool. 18.29.14 # That almost looks like my cygwin compile times 18.29.22 # yeah, but more like "hey... this is slow... wait 2 days and remove it if it's still slow" 18.29.28 # makes sense. 18.29.32 # So 26MB FLAC is teh devil? 18.29.33 # lostlogic: My codec buffer is listed a 30228860, the file 27,374,924 (according to windows, and on a different disk.) 18.29.46 # Paul_The_Nerd: ok, so it's not what I thought, thanks. 18.30.14 # lostlogic: It cut out at about 50% through the song. My best guess it was the last song on the buffer, and it sounded like it decoded faster than the codec buffer could refill. 18.30.41 # Paul_The_Nerd: hmmmmmm, tis possible, good point! 18.30.41 # * t0mas runs off 18.30.43 # time to eat 18.30.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: when you starting coding? :) 18.30.49 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 18.30.53 # Moos: you still here? 18.31.11 # lostlogic: When the forums are finally at peace. :-P 18.31.17 # lol, as if :) 18.31.37 # Yeah, yeah 18.31.38 # goffa: hi, just remenbered you spoted the last mpc build w/o the current bug, right? 18.31.44 # yeah 18.32.06 # or the last one i used anyway 18.32.11 # which one? 18.32.17 # btw. some dejavu etc rockbox fonts with screenshots: http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rbfnt/ 18.32.20 # um... was saturday... 18.32.21 # let me look 18.32.22 # lostlogic: I'm waiting to see what happens when the "negative" buffer empties. 18.32.28 # goffa: thanks 18.32.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: it's going to blow up. I promise. 18.32.46 # lostlogic: Ooooh. Well, 5 tracks to detonation. 18.33.10 # freqmod: Not a fan of serifs 18.33.22 # bagh, getting emailed that an ipod 5g user is having freeze at boot with voice file on the latest builds... wtf. 18.33.31 # maybe the sans is better:/ 18.33.32 # I had that 18.33.39 # I deleted voice file though 18.33.41 # Remember? 18.33.46 # Moos: i think it was 2006 22 Apr 13:06 18.33.51 # Gargamale: yeah, but with the latest build is it still a problem? 18.34.07 # 0425? DUnno, I deleted file before doing 0425 18.34.13 # because I have a voice file on my ipod 5g and don't have the problem 18.34.18 # o 18.34.51 # goffa: ok, then the bug came with the first big voice commit of lostlogic 18.34.59 # does doom usually leave a black screen and spin the HD before it actually starts? 18.35.30 # Moos: i think so 18.35.47 # freqmod: http://www.sdconsult.no/linux/wine-doc/fonts.html 18.35.48 # but then i skipped a couple of builds too 18.35.55 # hmm, nevermind, it actually says 'data abort (some hex)' 18.35.57 # after that 18.36.18 # hmm... I did touch the codecs in there, so somehow, my changes ot exit conditions and track change conditions caused mpc to have ... issues. 18.36.28 # lostlogic: any luck you take a look quicly at the changes you made on mpc.c and see if something don't look good? 18.36.34 # <_FireFly_> freqmod: your images are a bit colorfull ;) 18.36.40 # Moos: not at the moment, but it's now on the list. 18.36.44 # lostlogic: ok 18.36.44 # * freqmod is compiling wine 18.36.57 # A question I cannot answer: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=3828.0 (Regarding if the PCM can play 8-bit audio, and how to use the get_more_pcm function) 18.37.16 # freqmod: Rock on, thanks for helping 18.37.26 # oh :D 18.37.43 # hehe ravon's question :) 18.38.00 # Heh, didn't realize ravon was still in the room. :) 18.38.11 # :) 18.38.23 # This is a better place than the boards for the actual technical stuff. 18.38.32 # indeed 18.38.34 # Yeah, asked at work, but I had to rush home. 18.38.59 # 90% of the time, I'm the person answering questions on the board, and you may not know this but I just make stuff up as I go along and trust these guys to come by and occasionally correct my more serious mistakes. ;-) 18.39.09 # haha 18.39.24 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.39.38 # Hmm, the musepack patch is giving all sorts of failed hunks, should it apply cleanly? 18.39.46 # Paul_The_Nerd: Every time I see your name Radix's module Paul the Kinder Penguin pops up in my head. 18.39.50 # ravon: answered to the best of my ability, you pest. 18.40.23 # RotAtoR: I tried with build preglow made, then I don't know what he did make 18.40.34 # no problems here 18.40.35 # ravon: Hahaha. And yeah, go check your thread. :-P 18.40.36 # Moos: ahh, ok 18.41.31 # lostlogic: Oh sweet, thanks! I'll swallow these mad toasts and read your reply. 18.41.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: do you understand WTF dr.dns is saying? I can't tell what he's doing, nor what the expected behavior is, nor really what the problem is :( 18.43.10 # anyone see the issue i stated earlier about power on the ipod? 18.43.16 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3075.gwdg.de) 18.45.11 # lostlogic: Let me reread it real quick. I *think* I've got it. 18.46.24 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 18.47.13 # lostlogic: It sounds like he's got "Only on my box" style problems, since one of his things is that it's not shuffling even when shuffle is set to "on" 18.47.51 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, I think that's just because it won't reshuffle an existing playlist if you change to shuffle with playback stopped and then resume 18.48.08 # lostlogic: Well, he said he selected a new song. 18.48.11 # but it's really hard to tell, because he doesn't write in any semblance of clear thought patterns 18.48.40 # evening guys 18.48.43 # how's it going ? 18.48.44 # lostlogic: Don't worry about it for now. I'll do my usual "Talk them through explaining a step by step process to get the problem to happen" and see if I can get a full detailed report of some sort. 18.48.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: rock on 18.48.55 # lostlogic: It didn't explode! 18.49.01 # Paul_The_Nerd: wtf, what'd it do???? 18.49.06 # lostlogic: It started refilling, and wend positive again. 18.49.12 # you're shitting me. 18.49.27 # and it's still playing? In a relatively sane manner? 18.49.27 # lostlogic: It was at "track count: 2" and then the PCM buffer bottomed out, and it righted itself. 18.49.34 # 100% sane 18.49.41 # I'm scared. 18.49.52 # that shouldn't be possible. 18.50.01 # I... I don't understand... 18.50.14 # what state is playback in atm lostlogic, i wanna make a patched build with SID that'll be stable for a few days whilst im AFK 18.50.21 # preglow: do have a musepack patch that applies cleanly to latest cvs? 18.50.23 # I was going to remove that filebufused variable at one point, maybe I made it unimportant, so even though it was effed up it didn't cause other trouble? 18.50.37 # crashd: it's pretty sane... see the wiki page for what I know abotu 18.50.43 # crashd: If you CVS update RIGHT NOW, you should get a pretty okay build, as long as you're not me and getting crazy negative Codec Buffers. 18.50.43 # i let mine "idle power-off" last night, but it looked like the screen had some articles still left on it, after 3 hours of letting it sit it had dropped 10% battery power, i put it in retail os, let it sit for another 3 hours and it didn't drop but maybe 1% battery power 18.51.03 # klrspz: your what? 18.51.08 # klrspz: You said that exact thing hours ago. 18.51.22 # which wiki page issit lostlogic :) 18.51.27 # Paul_The_Nerd: it's not just you... I got that negative buffer once or twice when messing with crossfade, but couldn't reproduce reliably 18.51.28 # Paul_The_Nerd, i know, i had asked 8 min ago if anyone had seen it to see if anyone had the same problem 18.51.33 # crashd: SoftwareCodecPlayback 18.51.39 # ahh yeah 18.51.40 # cheers 18.51.45 # Mikachu, my ipod nano 18.51.47 # it's my dump zone for stuff related to playback 18.52.00 # klrspz: But you're not specifying an issue. The retail OS suspends after a few minutes of not pressing anything. Did you do anything to keep it from doing this? 18.52.09 Quit hardeep ("BitchX: use it, it makes hair grow in funny places!") 18.52.45 # Paul_The_Nerd, no the point was that both OS's shut themselves down, RB didn't seem to actually shut down but rather disable any processing.. the screen still had very very light artifacts on it 18.52.50 # as if it still had power to it 18.53.50 # klrspz: Well, if you don't clear the screen before shutting down, those can be left. It used to show them on a proper shutdown too, but it was changed. 18.53.50 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.54.57 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.55.12 Quit z35 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.55.19 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-144-117.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.56.14 # Silly question - should crossfade work on skip backwards? 18.56.31 # my next wps tags don't show anything 18.58.06 # pondlife: there is nothing in th ecode to say no, but often skips backwards are off buffer which disables it 18.59.02 # OK 18.59.09 # I think it'd rewind the song 18.59.22 # And the buffer from the previous song would be gone by then 18.59.24 # I think 18.59.37 Nick Gargamale is now known as Garga-Lunch (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 18.59.39 # I thought it used to do that - that's all. Might be imagining more problems for lostlogic...! 18.59.54 # Garga-Lunch: it's possible to trigger a successful backwards crossfade 19.00.21 # I use crossfade as a kind of party mode, to keep that music going without any obvious breaks. 19.00.33 # Paul_The_Nerd, so what exactly are you saying? that's normal? 19.00.54 # klrspz: I'm saying that if you just cut off power to an LCD, they often do that. Have you ever played with a GBA or Nintendo DS? 19.00.55 # i mean in 3 hours my ipod dropped 10% battery as if i had it on playing, in RetailOS it acted like it was completely shut off 19.01.17 # Could out-of-buffer crossfades be delayed until the required buffering has taken place? i.e. prefer continuity over responsiveness 19.01.18 # nah, i mean i've seen lcd's have artifacts when isntantly cut off, but they usually fade once the power has drained 19.01.24 # these never faded 19.01.55 # Implementation to be post-3.0, of course! 19.01.58 # But it woke up fine after the 3 hours? 19.02.07 # Paul_The_Nerd, yeah it woke up, with 1% battery power left 19.02.13 # 3.3 minutes apparently 19.02.18 # so i charged it back up to 50% 19.02.24 # * pondlife has to cycle off now. 19.02.37 # , then did the same thing with retail os, and after 3 hours i saw it go from 50 down to 49 19.02.40 # So what you're saying is that the 10% lost was the bottom 10%, and the tests weren't both done on a full battery? 19.02.53 Quit pondlife ("Byebye") 19.03.04 # i've done it a few times now, ranging all kinds of battery power, resulting in the same outcome 19.03.25 # the reason i tested was the first time i had 100% batt power, and when i came home from work it was completely dead 19.04.03 # What, 10% every time the iPod is shut off for 3 hours? 19.04.49 # or more 19.04.57 # the percentage isn't really my concern 19.05.09 # it's the fact that it IS losing considerable power when it's supposed to be off 19.05.21 # where the retail os acts as expected.. you turn it off, your battery power stays the same 19.05.23 # Well, is it JUST with idle, or is it with a proper shutdown too? 19.05.40 # both i believe 19.05.46 # i'll double test that tonight 19.05.50 # Okay, see A) You didn't specify that before 19.06.12 # And B) It'd be nice to know if it's an "Idle doesn't shut down thing" or if it's a "For some reason yours doesn't shut down right from rockbox thing, while mine does" 19.06.15 # k, sorry 19.06.26 # Which type of iPod do you have? 19.06.32 # nanopod, 1gig 19.06.41 # As I just tested, and mine shuts down fully with the idle poweroff. 19.07.05 # Clear screen, no artifacts or anything 19.07.13 # if you leave it off, do you wake back up to full battery? 19.07.24 # or where u left off at 19.07.50 # Well, seeing as it was just shut down for a few seconds, the battery didn't have a chance to "drain" if it does. 19.08.11 # yeah, that's kind of the whole point 19.08.24 # i'm not saying it's not turning off, i'm just saying my battery is draining as if it WASN'T turned off 19.08.47 # Which means you're saying it's not turning off 19.08.55 # Because if it was turned off, then your battery wouldn't drain. 19.09.16 # Let me ask, after your iPod idle-shutdowns, do you see the Apple logo when you hit Menu to turn it on? 19.09.20 # yes 19.09.23 # it reboots like normal 19.09.29 # which is what i find odd 19.09.36 # Well 19.09.38 # You said it was at 1% 19.09.45 # Which means it could've actually shut down from the battery dying 19.10.01 # true 19.10.23 # You also said there were artifacts on the screen, which notably does NOT occur with my idle shutdowns. 19.10.41 Nick _FutureCrash is now known as FutureCrash (i=julius@irc.finalfuture.de) 19.10.56 # i just let it idle shutdown like 5 min ago, i still have artifacts on it 19.11.23 # i don't have another device to test it on 19.12.01 # And you're using our bootloader, and a clean CVS build? 19.12.19 # i just updated the cvs build this morning from the last release 19.12.28 Join macdonalder [0] (n=macdonal@CPE00045af2dd15-CM0011ae92481c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 19.12.43 # By clean I mean "unpatched". You've answered half of the latter half of my question. 19.12.53 # yes, clean 19.13.06 # Okay, now you've answered half of the total question. 19.13.19 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 19.13.49 # RB Bootloader, and actually the bleeding edge build 19.14.25 # Okay, I've let mine idle power off. 19.14.30 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48) 19.14.33 # I'll check the battery in about two hours. 19.14.41 # We'll see if there's any notable change. 19.16.20 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-212-225-14-168.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 19.16.49 # I have an appointment to get to though, I'll be back in ~1.5-2 hours, assuming my schedule doesn't magically change like it is wont to do. 19.16.49 Part Paul_The_Nerd 19.16.58 Quit Xerion (" ") 19.18.50 Part mtnbkr ("Leaving") 19.21.20 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 19.21.59 # XavierGr: try keeping the button pressed when doing pitch adjustments 19.24.48 Join JBGood25 [0] (i=Johnq@128.237.231.193) 19.25.55 Join Xerion [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 19.26.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.30.10 # Uploaded Dejavu-sans, HaxrCorp screenshots and rockbox-fnt files: http://freqmod.dyndns.org/upload/rbfnt/ 19.30.48 # looks pretty nice 19.32.09 # preglow: you mean for the up/down right? 19.32.25 # because left/right is lcoked 19.32.39 # ^locked 19.32.54 # Hrrrmmm, gcc %&# :-( 19.33.21 # <_FireFly_> ? 19.33.24 # XavierGr: yes 19.33.31 # Now I am unsure whether it's a good idea to use -Os on archos 19.33.36 # XavierGr: you complained that 0.1 was too little. if you hold the button, the value gets bigger 19.33.42 # amiconn: why? 19.34.05 # Both sh-elf-gcc 3.3.x and 3.4.x have a bug that causes out-of-range jumptables for switch() with -O2 and -Os 19.34.17 # preglow: yes indeed, but I can't think why the left/right lock behaviour is better. 19.34.18 # * preglow shoots gcc 19.34.30 # XavierGr: dj use, like it's been said over and over 19.34.39 # SH1 sign-extends, so that a byte-sized forward jumptable can use 00..7F 19.34.56 # gcc sometimes uses 80 - ouch! 19.35.11 # XavierGr: why isn't the button repeat method good enough? that's what we use for faster adjustment everywhere else 19.35.14 # preglow: and why exactly this helps dj use? The dj can quite easily press only once left/right 19.35.29 # XavierGr: it needs to be fast 19.35.38 # XavierGr: sometimes you don't hold it there, you just flick it really fast 19.35.55 # While I can fix these goofs case-by-case by reordering case:s, it will probably hit us sooner or later... 19.36.04 # amiconn: indeed 19.36.09 Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.36.12 # amiconn: if there's a risk of compiler bugs, i say don't use it 19.36.14 # blargh 19.36.17 # we need a gcc man on the team 19.36.47 # I would like to know where to find the jumptable calculation in the gcc source. Maybe it's a relatively simple fix 19.37.27 # the fix isn't the hard part, finding out how the source works is the hard part 19.37.54 # The odd thing is that while gcc 3.4.6 builds smaller code than 3.3.6 with -Os, the particular switch() where I found the bug is exactly the same 19.38.18 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC") 19.38.22 # firmware/sound.c, line 510ff 19.38.43 Join ts-x [0] (n=0cb706c2@labb.contactor.se) 19.38.59 # (but unlike 3.3.6 -Os builds, 3.4.6 -Os builds don't run at all atm) 19.41.34 # * amiconn starts to really hate gcc 19.41.37 # any fix for mpc playback going to be commited in the next 15 mins? if so, going to build it before i go back to work 19.41.37 # freqmod: nice fonts 19.42.01 # goffa: nope 19.42.19 # i'm checking it out now, though 19.42.24 # cool 19.42.39 # i think i may go back to sat build for the afternoon 19.44.12 # The Dejavu ( http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/ ) bitstream based fonts are bsd ( http://dejavu.sourceforge.net/wiki/index.php/License ), free to include in rockbox 19.45.48 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 19.47.42 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-91-243.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.50.19 # lostlogic: last couple of days I've had two cases of skipped playback. About 20-30 seconds after playback start it skips a small amount of audio, maybe 10-15 seconds. At least one case was MP3, the other was MP3 or Vorbis, not sure. 19.50.28 Quit JBGood25 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.16 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.57.00 Quit thegeek ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 19.57.05 # well... back to the ol' grind.. later 20.00.02 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3098.gwdg.de) 20.05.36 # what's the FILEBUF_CHUNK_SIZE thing good for, again? 20.07.04 # preglow: We could use -mbigtable to make all jumptables 32 bit... 20.07.30 # Somewhat against the goal of using -Os though... 20.07.48 # yes 20.08.54 # preglow: iirc, when the file buf wraps, at least that number of bytes will be returned when the codec requests more data. 20.09.55 # right 20.09.56 # btw 20.09.58 # no 20.10.10 # filebuf chunk size is just how much is read from disk at a time I think 20.10.11 # when mpc.c hangs at the end of the track, i get a zILLION of these in the sim: 20.10.11 # Error: dsp_input_size(0=dsp_output_size(0))=0<=0 20.10.16 # th eguardbuf size is the guaranteed read 20.10.36 # guardbuf is 32k which is how large of a read will always be satisfied in a single request 20.12.01 # Lear: that's very strange. bet if I find out what causes that it also stops some other things I'm seeing with filebuf used overflowing 20.13.26 # preglow: neat. lemme take a look. 20.14.02 # lostlogic: most certainly looks like it's a playback engine crash 20.14.10 # lostlogic: the loop in mpc.c stops completely, at least 20.14.24 # ah yes, that's the buffer I was thinking about. :) 20.14.35 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd2a7.f.strato-dslnet.de) 20.14.57 # preglow: I see the problem -- I changed to a do whiel loop, thinking codecs would never insert zero bytes. *changes back* 20.15.12 # lostlogic: i insert zero bytes? :> 20.15.17 # preglow: yes. 20.15.17 # that needs fixing, then 20.15.50 # well ok, then I just uncovered a mpc bug :) 20.16.18 # I'll make the playback engine use a while instead of do while anyway though. 20.16.37 # yeah 20.17.04 # woot 20.17.12 # i'm beatmatching on the computer with two sims :PP 20.18.13 # mmm, two rockbox'd ipods will eventually be DJ-ing nececessities :) 20.18.30 # sweet god 20.18.34 # i just need to buy that mixer now 20.18.40 # and i'll be a-djin 20.18.47 # who the hell needs final scratch anyway! 20.18.48 # djin... like a genie? 20.19.05 # haha 20.19.11 # i can pretend that's what i meant 20.19.29 # :) 20.19.42 # wtf 20.19.49 # musepack frames are size 1152, like mpeg 20.19.55 # but the last frame i insert is 1600-something 20.19.59 # then the last is 0 ... 20.20.40 # odd. 20.21.21 # mpc freeze should not happen in CVS any more. 20.21.42 # i'll give it a go 20.21.44 Quit bluebrother (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.21.56 # don't remember why I cahnged from while to do while in the first place... saving a conditional isn't a good reason. 20.22.17 Join webguest80 [0] (n=938f660b@labb.contactor.se) 20.22.35 # saving a conditional? do you even do that? 20.22.42 Join pixelma [0] (n=M_@212.204.41.115) 20.23.27 # while is like if (x) do {y;} while (x); 20.23.36 # only if you return from the do 20.23.40 # Warning: pdflatex (file /var/lib/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map): inv 20.23.40 # alid entry for `uytuo37': too big value of ExtendFont (2) 20.23.46 Join ep0ch_ [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.32.209) 20.23.59 # What have I forgotten / missed... 20.24.14 # lostlogic: did the job just fine 20.24.21 # now for finding out what the hell is going on 20.24.22 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.25.08 # preglow: cool, that was a noisey bug that I had no inclincation to care about. 20.25.31 # diannn 20.25.37 # ok, wrong channel there 20.26.09 # haha 20.26.20 # Mikachu: changing from while to do while without changing loop contents at all will eliminate a comparson in all cases. 20.26.59 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3070.gwdg.de) 20.27.13 # Optimizing craze \o/ 20.27.21 # right, i thought you meant not having to do a conditional at all 20.28.05 # dwihno: some things are optimizations and some are just stupid. I was apaprently in a just stupid mode when I changed that. 20.28.21 # lostlogic: nah, there are no such thing as stupid optimizations 20.28.37 # as long as there are improvements without code instability 20.28.39 # are you sure you don't need the >0 too? :) 20.28.50 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 20.28.53 # dwihno: saving a single conditional for every 1152 stereo samples can be considered not worth it, IMO 20.29.01 # Mikachu: it's the same on an unsigned variable 20.29.11 # meeting. 20.29.12 # lostlogic: many small seas makes a great river! :) 20.29.20 # or however you translate it :) 20.29.24 # lostlogic: you mean a executed comparison and not a compiler emitted one, right? 20.29.32 # code wise they should be the same size 20.29.35 # preglow: right. 20.29.41 # then i'm with you 20.29.53 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-91-243.w81-48.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.30.01 # actually compilers often compile a while as an if() do { } while(); 20.30.10 # impressive 20.30.13 # so in that case you would reduce code size by an instruction or 2 as well 20.30.18 # saves you a skip, i guess 20.30.23 # yep 20.30.52 Quit webguest80 ("CGI:IRC") 20.31.17 # preglow: Depending on the platform, the compiler may actually emit 2 conditionals for while(){} 20.31.23 # It does so on SH 20.31.37 # yeah, lostlogic said so 20.31.48 # but how the hell does this large frame at the end happen 20.31.56 # there's not enough iram for so large a frame 20.35.09 Join Nepo [0] (n=Mr_Mo88@p549853C6.dip.t-dialin.net) 20.35.13 # hi @ all 20.35.16 # can you help me? 20.35.25 # ask 20.35.26 # i habe an iriver 320 20.35.31 # have.. 20.35.43 Quit klrspz () 20.35.47 # and ich have installed the actual rockbox 20.35.51 # hahaha 20.35.54 # it's so hard to spot you germans 20.36.01 # :P 20.36.10 # lol 20.36.11 # but yeah, go on 20.36.31 # ; > 20.36.41 # is there a function to play videos? 20.36.52 # Not using the rockbox fw 20.37.00 # nope, no video yet 20.37.03 Nick Garga-Lunch is now known as Garga-Work (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 20.37.04 # shit... 20.37.10 # Heh 20.37.12 # hm..ok. thx from germany ;) 20.37.16 # Bitte schön 20.37.26 # Give my regards to Der Kartoffelpolizei. 20.37.28 # is klar :P 20.37.46 # Die Kartoffelpolizeit! ;) 20.37.57 # Alle da. 20.38.00 # wrong preposition ;) 20.38.02 # No clue 20.38.11 # octoverfest? ;) 20.38.16 # octoberfest... 20.38.22 # :P 20.38.33 # cya in october :P 20.38.35 # * dwihno wants ipod g5 video playback 20.38.38 # that would be nice. 20.38.42 # Wish in one hand 20.38.44 # Shit in the othe 20.38.45 # r 20.38.49 # See which gets fuller faster 20.39.01 Quit Nepo () 20.39.09 # That would be your hand, my dear sir ;) 20.39.27 # potato police? 20.39.38 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 20.39.39 # that's what babelfish says Kartoffelpolizei is 20.39.46 # yup 20.40.27 # where'd that come from? or were you just throwing random stuff together? 20.40.51 # Just some high school humour 20.41.00 # ok.. figured there was a story 20.41.15 # preglow: How does that sound? : 20.41.15 # /* Specify the machine mode that this machine uses 20.41.15 # for the index in the tablejump instruction. */ 20.41.17 # there always is 20.41.26 # This is in gcc/config/sh/sh.h 20.41.29 # true 20.42.26 # amiconn: sounds possibly good... 20.42.58 # Now if I only knew what SImode, DImode and QImode are... 20.43.13 # Oh, and HImode 20.43.22 # there's _tons_ of shit like that 20.44.03 # so why is there this confusion? or is this just a result of stuff ported over from ipodlinux 20.44.15 Join klrspz [0] (n=klrSpz@69.15.248.2) 20.46.17 # preglow: My guess after staring at that longish macro for a while: SImode == simple (single?) integer mode, 20.46.33 # HImode == half integer mode, QImode == quarter integer mode 20.46.48 # A cumbersome way of saying 32bit, 16bit and 8bit 20.50.50 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 20.53.11 # preglow: I have a suspicion what's going on.... 20.53.18 # amiconn: oh? 20.53.30 Join JBGood25 [0] (i=Johnq@128.237.231.193) 20.53.47 # Do you have the gcc 3.4.6 sources at hand and would take a look too? 20.55.46 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-34-59.kotinet.com) 20.56.34 # amiconn: Is this about the gcc amd64 bug? 20.57.34 # amiconn: sure 20.57.41 # gimme a sec 20.57.43 # kapheine: No, it's about the gcc -Os / -O2 bug on SH1 20.59.53 # ahh 21.00.39 # nice macro 21.01.23 # preglow: Open said file, gcc/config/sh/sh.h, and go to line 2591 21.01.27 # There's a macro that decides the integer size for jumptables 21.01.39 # yeah, that's the macro i was talking about 21.01.42 # no wonder gcc is buggy 21.01.54 # No, that's not the whole story 21.02.17 # Thing is, this macro distinguishes 2 cases with 8bit offsets, signed and unsigned 21.02.21 # with code like this they're probably constantly dizzy 21.02.36 # ...and it sets (BODY).offset_unsigned to 0 or 1 depending on that 21.03.12 # Now grep for "offset_unsigned" across the whole source tree 21.03.27 # It's only found in sh.h and rtl.h 21.03.37 # The latter defines the struct containing it 21.03.54 # Afaiu this means the flag is set, but never evaluated (!) 21.03.54 # hahaa 21.03.58 # excellent 21.04.16 # ...and since SH always sign-extends by default -- boom! 21.04.38 # i bet it's caused by sh being an old backend 21.04.45 # what about taking a trip over to their irc channel and asking them? 21.04.59 # The proper fix would be to evaluate this flag and insert an extu.b instruction in the appropriate place 21.05.11 # The quick fix would be to just disable the unsigned case 21.05.24 # I will put this theory to test soon 21.05.32 # amiconn: you know, i'm starting to think we're probably better off with our own fork of gcc, heh 21.05.45 # preglow: is that like sending scouts? 21.05.48 # If this works, I will make a patch 21.05.49 # :) 21.06.27 # preglow: Where's that channel? Also on freenode? 21.06.29 # Hm... if I understand things correctly, the 3.4 branch isn't closed... 21.06.32 # nope 21.06.36 # gimme a sec and i'll find 21.06.38 # s/isn't/is/ 21.07.21 # Lear: Then we need to use our own patch. 4.x is a no-go for sh rockbox :/ 21.07.50 # gcc.gnu.org says 3.4 is closed 21.08.15 # preglow: Do you know how to insert additional strings into the gcc -v output? 21.08.30 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.08.39 # (like the cygwin version says: "gcc version 3.4.4 (cygming special)") 21.10.00 # irc.oftc.net 21.10.02 # #gcc 21.10.12 # amiconn: nope 21.11.29 # +++ gcc-3.2.3/gcc/version.c 2003-04-26 12:25:28.000000000 -0400 21.11.29 # @@ -1,4 +1,4 @@ 21.11.29 # #include "ansidecl.h" 21.11.29 DBUG Enqueued KICK Mikachu 21.11.29 # #include "version.h" 21.11.29 # -const char *const version_string = "3.2.3"; 21.11.31 # +const char *const version_string = "3.2.3 20030422 (Gentoo Linux 1.4 @PV@)"; 21.13.45 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.13.54 # Would it be ok to require a patched gcc for building rockbox? 21.14.03 # klrspz: It went down between 1 and 2% 21.14.18 # Nowhere near the ~5-7% your descriptions say it should've. 21.14.54 # Mikachu: @PV@ ? 21.16.22 # well, you typically build it yourself, unless you use packages from rockbox.org, so it wouldn't be _that_ bad, I guess... 21.16.31 # amiconn: something gentoo specific 21.16.54 # probably something like 3.2.3-r3 21.17.16 # amiconn: yes 21.17.18 # amiconn: if you ask me 21.17.26 # He, you have to patch 3.4.x in order to build it today. :) 21.17.42 # amiconn: our own patchset for rockbox wouldn't bother me in the least 21.17.44 # Lear: Ok then, but I think configure should check that the patch is applied... 21.17.47 # (At least on some platforms...) 21.18.15 # I'll test my theory, then 21.19.37 # Btw, this problem exists both in 3.3 and 3.4; I already stumbled upon it once, in the wavplay plugin, since plugins are compiled with -O2 ... 21.23.00 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 21.25.32 # So, MPCs work again? 21.25.42 # yeah 21.25.45 # Okay 21.25.46 Quit ep0ch_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.26.29 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 21.26.29 # * Paul_The_Nerd closes the bug. 21.26.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.27.23 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@87.193.16.147) 21.28.29 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.29.37 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-212-225-60-173.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 21.33.17 # thanks for your work on mpc everyone 21.33.38 # going to gave to snag that build tonight 21.37.30 Join piroko [0] (n=jeremy@NW-ESR1-72-49-207-116.fuse.net) 21.37.32 # woohoo. 21.38.01 # if I'm 18 years old, living with my parents, and I go out for a bit without their permission, can they call the cops on me? 21.38.29 # legally, i don't think so. 21.38.31 # if you break the law 21.38.35 # yeah... 21.38.49 # legally, you're an adult. 21.39.20 # awesome. my parents suck 21.39.47 # just a guess, but i'm guessing they did that, or are threatening to? 21.40.16 Join MusiFreq [0] (n=MusiFreq@cpe-24-195-90-147.nycap.res.rr.com) 21.40.16 # neither. i want to go somewhere and they said I can't because it's raining and last time I was 10 minutes late. 21.40.17 Quit kkurbjun (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.40.34 # ah. 21.40.34 # wtf, "it's raining"? 21.40.42 # oh no you will get wet and die 21.40.53 Join thegeek [0] (n=thegeek@s026b.studby.ntnu.no) 21.41.07 # so now, I'm considering calling back and telling them I'm going anyway. I just wanna make sure there's nothing they can do. 21.41.32 # well, you shouldn't just take trust in what we say. 21.41.33 # this is me trying to put my foot down for the very first time, and I'm terrified. 21.41.39 # hmm 21.41.45 # i've found a long-standing mpc bug, i have 21.41.55 # Well, when you put your foot down, you really have to be prepared to say "Damn the consequences." 21.42.01 # heh 21.42.05 # Really, they could potentially call the cops if say, the car is in their name. 21.42.28 # preglow: oh? 21.42.33 # Paul_The_Nerd: someone else would be driving me 21.42.58 # But in the end I doubt they would as that results in more hassle for *them* than it's worth. 21.42.58 # preglow: Oooh, long standing? I take it it's a subtle one? 21.43.08 # piroko: Then you're probably good to go as long as you can deal with the post-lectures. 21.43.09 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, libmpcdec outputs 1152 samples for all frames 21.43.12 # EXCEPT THE LAST ONE 21.43.13 # preglow: btw, I'm really impressed by the patch, 21.43.17 # where it might use anything up to 1152*2 21.43.18 # hahaha 21.43.27 # uch :( 21.43.39 # i don't know how to handle it, i don't want to waste iram for the last frame only 21.43.53 # indeed :( 21.44.02 # is the last frame much of any importance? 21.44.09 # some parts of musepack is just plain lousy planned 21.44.19 # sharpe: well, if you want gapless playback... 21.44.21 # which we do 21.44.25 # heheh 21.44.26 # yeah 21.46.02 Join Kyomi [0] (n=a@24-196-196-108.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) 21.46.16 # I think my battery problem is identified 21.46.32 # I believe it /is/ the rockbox battery bug on H300 series 21.46.33 # but it's not like the mpc codec is close to the iram limit (on irivers at least)... 21.46.43 # I tried the stock f/w for today and it was fine 21.46.45 # what about gapless playback with tracks of silence. huh? what about that? :D 21.47.14 # lostlogic: ok, i'm a fool, status 0 means end of file 21.47.29 # piroko: if you aren't breaking the law, they don't really have a leg to stand on. However, even if the law isn't involved they could still potentially make your life miserable 21.47.30 # Lear: still, wasting iram on that pains me... 21.47.31 # Lear: with the musepack patch, I've got boost ratio close to mpa one 21.48.22 # How's this for a thread title: "Skipping tracks causes temporary coma" 21.48.46 # i ran into that bug 21.49.53 # His apparently comes out of the coma after varying periods of time 21.50.06 # scott666_: Are you experiencing with the latest CVS builds? 21.50.25 # preglow: Then waste DRAM instead? 21.50.37 # preglow: funny 21.50.46 # unless its changed since yesterday 21.51.14 # scott666_: Notice I said "latest CVS builds" 21.51.45 # alright. lemme go grab a bleeding edge then 21.52.09 # There have been at least 7 changes in the last 24 hours that could've fixed that problem. ;-) 21.52.23 # goffa: how so? 21.52.28 # amiconn: i like to keep our output buffers in iram 21.52.34 # goffa: I have a friend who'll let me move in if worse comes to worse 21.53.07 # preglow: Yes, but you could put the normal output buffer in iram, and a second one in dram, and only use the latter for the last frame 21.53.09 # yeah... probably still not worth it... Parents are good to have on your side 21.53.15 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 21.53.17 # that's all i'm saying 21.53.47 # amiconn: if it is easy to know you're about to decode the last frame, yes... 21.53.52 # it is 21.54.07 # i think... 21.54.10 # preglow: My theory seems to be correct! :-D 21.54.15 # amiconn: then hooray! 21.54.21 # file a bug report and watch it rot away 21.54.36 # I've now built a modified gcc-3.4.6, and built a recorder binary with that, and checked the disassembly 21.54.50 # Gcc correctly switched to using a word-sized jumptable 21.55.05 # Now let's see whether this binary actually works... 21.55.20 # Anyone know what the status of that battery bug for the H300 series is? 21.56.07 # Which battery bug? 21.56.14 # Kyomi: no status, linus is investigating it when he has time 21.56.18 # Paul_The_Nerd: abnormally high battery usage 21.56.23 # Oh 21.56.30 # I wouldn't think of that as a "battery bug". 21.56.33 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 21.56.38 # But I guess that's rather semantics anyway 21.57.01 Quit _Lucretia_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.57.06 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 21.57.17 # I was thinking maybe there was something new, or that I didn't yet know about. 21.57.23 Join _Lucretia_ [0] (n=munkee@dynamic-212-225-60-61.park-s46b.dslaccess.co.uk) 21.57.41 # Paul_The_Nerd: I was talking about a few days ago 21.57.56 # So there was a suggestion to run it only on stock f/w for a day 21.58.02 # And it's runs fine... all day :) 21.58.08 # And even still more power in it 21.58.15 # Hmpfz, still I09:CPUAdrEr at DEADBEEF. So that's not the only quirk with 3.4.x 21.58.20 # * amiconn applies the same fix to 3.3.6 21.58.32 # preglow: do we have any non-seeking codecs other than mpc? Will mpc seeking be in 3.0? 21.58.32 # Hmmm... Yeah, it's a pretty well known thing that our firmware runs much shorter times than the stock on H300. 21.58.34 # ALOT longer then the almost 2.5 hours I was getting before...and that was just playing music 21.58.45 # lostlogic: "and if playback is broken, it's probably my fault." <--- I had not noticed that before. :) 21.58.46 # ye olde yellow builds 21.58.58 # lostlogic: i'll try to make mpc seeking fit in 3.0 21.59.10 # preglow: Make SID fit in 3.0 :D 21.59.11 # lostlogic: FLAC doesn't seek if you have a crappy encoder. 21.59.17 # Kyomi: sid's a feature, i'm afreaid 21.59.18 # afraid too 21.59.39 # Awwww 21.59.41 # Come onnnn 21.59.51 # You can squeeze it in.. I wont tell :D 21.59.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: have any crappy flacs? what happens when you try to seek? does it just not seek and go back where it was, or does it suck? 22.00.20 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 22.00.47 # lostlogic: My flacs were all non-crappified manually. They used to not seek and go back to the beginning of the song. 22.01.11 # Why the rush to see SID in 3.0? If it gets put in 30 minutes after the 3.0 release, is that going to be such a huge failure? 22.01.54 # sid doesn't work nice enough for 3.0 yet 22.01.57 # ah, yeah, flac seeking is handled right. 22.02.03 # lostlogic: flacs require seektables to seek. They can be made without them by stupid programs like dBpoweramp. 22.02.15 Quit RedBreva_ ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 22.02.18 # preglow: I'm gonig to patch mpc to call seek complete whether it actually seeks or not in the meantime, if that's OK with you... 22.02.31 Quit MusiFreq ("Lost terminal") 22.03.25 # you'll break the patch!!!11!11oneone 22.03.45 # i'll survive, i think 22.03.48 # ::blink blink:: I'll take that for "It's fine by me, you bastard" 22.03.54 # preglow: commit it then :p 22.04.02 # : ) 22.04.14 # Moos: i want to remove that flaming nasty malloc first 22.04.20 # ok 22.04.39 # it seems like he has one jump table entry for every frame in the file 22.04.48 # i need to talk with him on how to handle this 22.05.16 # just committed an untested change to mpc.c... because I have no musepack. someone test it :) :) 22.05.17 # preglow: use the MPC forum? 22.05.23 # hehe :) 22.05.42 # lostlogic: i'll test 22.05.47 # ty 22.05.48 # what should be different now? 22.06.01 # if you seek, it should just return to playing where it was, no seek 22.06.19 # before it would cause general badness involving a pause/unpause badness that only track skip would resolve 22.06.25 # preglow: uhh, bugfixe by toni ;) 22.06.36 # so i see 22.06.38 # i fine fellow 22.06.40 Quit blindx (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.07.16 # i appoint him the new codec optimising king 22.07.20 # someone buy the fellow an ipod 22.07.28 Join Toni1 [0] (n=5932d260@labb.contactor.se) 22.07.46 # just commited a bugfix for my libmad patch 22.07.47 # Toni1: so, you fixed the sine sample? 22.08.00 # yes, it was a prob in huffdecode 22.08.04 # ahh, excellent 22.08.07 # then i'll commit it very soon 22.08.13 # wee ! 22.08.24 # Toni1: it works very well on ipod too 22.08.29 # Toni1: gave almost 10% less boost 22.08.29 # good, maybe a little more testing necessary? 22.08.40 # Toni1: i'll test it a bit 22.08.50 # unbelievable 22.08.51 # other people can test as well 22.09.11 # just commit it... that's what I do :) 22.09.15 # ::shifty eyes:: 22.09.19 # hehe :) 22.09.22 # preglow, do you know, wether arm supports lshift 32? 22.09.35 # Toni1: what's the point of that? 22.09.40 # I as gonna ask. 22.09.43 # was 22.10.20 # it has 31 max on the logical lsl 22.10.27 # arith left shift can do 32 22.10.30 # preglow: intel cpu does not shift 32 bits, but does nothing if 32 bit is defined 22.11.28 # ahh, it's a variable shift? 22.11.33 # then arm supports that 22.12.05 # btw, i'm speaking bs, there's just one lshift, and that has max 31 in the const case, in the variable case, it takes everything 22.12.08 # ok, then someone can try to change the value in layer3.c 22.12.15 # will do 22.13.08 # Now if someone could solve the layer2 slowness... 22.13.27 # on iriver too? 22.13.33 # yes 22.13.40 # probably just some stupid cache stuff 22.13.43 # that was the case with layer 1 22.14.02 # ok, maybe I can do it next. 22.14.12 # on iriver only :-) 22.14.27 # * preglow steals an ipod and gives it to Toni1 22.14.36 # thanks so much .) 22.14.45 Join JBGood [0] (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) 22.14.52 # Toni1: what's your background, how'd you come to know stuff about optimizing audio decoding? 22.14.57 # preglow: A PP5002 one? ;) 22.15.22 # amiconn: in another decade, you would be an antique collector instead of a rockbox developer :-\ 22.15.47 # lostlogic: I am 'old'. so I have experience with asm optimizing 22.16.07 # Toni1: haha, nice. 22.16.10 # Ewwwww 22.16.13 # ipod 22.16.15 # to printer firmware in the past 22.17.06 # i actually like asm optimising, so i guess i'm getting older too 22.17.16 # :-) 22.17.18 # No, you're just odd. 22.17.23 # ahh, it was odd 22.17.30 # ;-) 22.17.39 # just one letter 22.18.25 # bye all 22.18.27 Quit Toni1 ("CGI:IRC") 22.19.20 # i still don't get the importance of the shift thing 22.19.41 # I don't see any asm in his code -- guess he's making the algorithm smarter by tweaking the C to generate the asm he wants. 22.19.50 # * lostlogic either 22.20.22 # it had absolutely no impact on arm 22.24.48 # yup, 62% boost for my 320 kbps test file 22.24.59 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 22.25.08 # time for a celebratory beer! 22.25.38 # \o/ 22.25.41 # : ) 22.25.48 # * petur goes reading the log 22.26.01 # Isn't reading the log kinda... fruitless? 22.26.09 # petur: the beer is self-celebratory, nothing big happened 22.26.22 # Since all the time you spend reading the log... even more of it is created 22.26.23 # * lostlogic applies toni's patches. 22.26.33 Join lowlight [0] (n=c730180b@labb.contactor.se) 22.26.38 # Kyomi: You can read it faster than it's produced though. A LOT faster. 22.26.41 # ah, as a matter of fact I just had several Belgian beers :D 22.26.50 # preglow: lol, self-celebratory 22.27.05 Quit JBGood25 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.27.11 # petur: and i'm having a norwegian one in a belgian style 22.27.34 # ha! and what style is that? 22.27.37 # petur: wit 22.27.49 # this is a bloody joke, 320kbps mp3 62% boost, 112kbps mp3 50% boost 22.27.54 Join arf-arf [0] (i=arf-arf@bb-87-82-11-187.ukonline.co.uk) 22.28.21 # lostlogic: fyi...the shorten codec doesn't seek 22.28.31 # I have a question: Is setting the minimum clock say, 10mhz faster perhaps better than boosting up to 75 as often? 22.28.38 # lowlight: hiya, you done any tests to see if mp3 now works as it should? 22.29.07 # right. optimizations for arm (ipod)... 22.29.17 # preglow: no, but I don't see why it shouldn't now 22.29.25 # lowlight: i just like to make sure 22.29.32 # Paul_The_Nerd: "Better" in what way? It would mean more boosting for codecs with zero boost like FLAC. 22.29.34 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.29.39 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 22.29.47 # lowlight: i always had a couple of tracks that were never quite gapless, i'm testing now to see if it's bettered 22.29.54 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 22.30.32 # linuxstb: Well rather, I was just curious if running it slightly higher and boosting less often is more or less efficient for codecs with high boost percentages. I wasn't really proposing it as an actual way to run it, I was just more or less curious. 22.30.51 # lowlight: ty 22.31.15 # preglow: yeah...I'll check to be sure 22.31.34 # lowlight: it also handles it correctly. 22.32.47 # Is seeking impossible in shorten, or just not implemented in the codec? 22.33.02 # lowlogic and lostlight? 22.33.05 # lowlight: _FLAWLESS_ gapless in those tracks now 22.33.16 # so it most certainly seems to have bettered 22.33.40 # preglow: good to hear 22.33.41 # preglow: was it the 8bytes, change, or toni's change that fixed gapless? 22.33.49 # lostlogic: 8 bytes 22.33.55 # hmph, any problems with it so far? 22.34.18 # when i was coding gapless mp3 support i always had trouble with libmad refusing to spit out the last couple of samples 22.34.27 # I'm still considering that the most retarded thing ever. 22.34.28 # turns out that was the bug lowlight discovered 22.35.04 # amiconn: I believe it's possible if the file has a seektable, which most shorten files don't. IIRC, the seektable contains the state of the decoder at that point, not just file offsets. 22.35.08 # if this is fixed, i need to remove a comment in mp3.c 22.35.21 # linuxstb: gahahahaha 22.35.31 # linuxstb: how musepack of it 22.35.35 # And you thought musepack was bad? 22.35.53 # amiconn: shorten seek tables are at the end of the file which makes them difficult to utilize 22.35.56 # * amiconn wonders why people design such cumbersome formats 22.36.12 # They must've seemed logical at the time. 22.36.12 # amiconn: stupidity and whisky, that's why 22.36.13 # Somehow. 22.36.20 # Or whisky 22.36.22 # wow, toni's changes just make a remarkable difference in mp3's keeping up abilities. 22.36.22 # i feel somewhat less diplomatic in this regard 22.36.26 # * Kyomi wonders why there just aren't like... 4 22.36.49 # Kyomi: 4 what... 22.36.59 # 1 for old game music/MODs, 1 for PC mp3, 1 for mac mp3, and some other one 22.37.01 # stream formats 22.37.05 # 4 audio format 22.37.06 # s 22.37.18 # And what about the people who want something *better* than MP3? 22.37.19 # what's the difference between pc and mac mp3s... 22.37.28 # amiconn: I expect shorten was designed just for archiving/distributing CDs, not as a playback format. 22.37.38 # * amiconn gets impatient while waiting for sh-gcc 3.3.6 to compile 22.37.47 # linuxstb: wavpack used to be like that too 22.37.47 # oooh, do the latest musepack changes fix the occasionaly pop at track end? 22.37.53 # RotAtoR: please do try it out 22.37.54 # newlib, you know... 22.37.56 # ok 22.38.06 # RotAtoR: oh, wait 22.38.12 # RotAtoR: i need to commit one more thing first 22.38.19 # ok :) 22.39.11 # preglow: The fix for the jumbo-frame? 22.39.36 Join ep0ch_ [0] (n=ep0ch@81-6-231-216.dyn.gotadsl.co.uk) 22.39.36 # RotAtoR: there 22.39.44 # amiconn: yeah, i took the easy way out and just wasted iram for now 22.39.57 # will be fun to see if the seek patch applies now 22.40.05 # preglow: do you have a coldfire optimized FFT? 22.40.10 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.40.12 # anywho, i'm curious if this fixes the pop bug in musepack 22.40.39 # lowlight: well, yeah, motorola has a free one for size 2048 or something 22.40.41 # preglow: i'd like to test seeking too, so any clean patch you can produce would be nice :) 22.40.55 # RotAtoR: i seriously doubt the seeking patch applies anymore 22.41.03 # RotAtoR: so please just test this first 22.41.11 # if this fixes the pop, i need to think of something clever 22.41.12 # i figured that with the recent changes 22.41.15 # preglow: I've been messing around with Sandvall's patch to use FFT in Tremor 22.41.24 # lowlight: what patch? 22.41.48 # preglow: oh, broken since those last hours? 22.41.56 # Moos: since of right now 22.42.04 # Moos: i don't think there's enough iram for it now 22.42.10 # ok 22.42.41 # lostlogic broke it with his commit anyway, so i need to make a new patch 22.42.42 # preglow: the one mentioned here http://lists.xiph.org/pipermail/tremor/2004-March/000957.html 22.43.19 # lowlight: what are the results or your tests? 22.43.36 # lowlight: afraid i don't have a coldfire fft, no 22.43.40 # lowlight: only the fixed size motorola one 22.43.46 # which isn't very precise, to boot 22.43.54 # preglow: ok, when you have new clean patch please let us know 22.44.09 # markun: I have it working in the simulator 22.44.48 # lowlight: why not on target? 22.45.00 # lowlight: would be very interesting to see the performance difference 22.45.23 # btw, i think someone else also played around with this a while ago... 22.46.59 # preglow: well, the patch is for the Tremor low mem branch which is not what rockbox uses 22.47.35 # indeed not, but i don't think the differences were very many 22.49.12 # i'm really impressed by the iriver mp3 decoder performance 22.49.30 # me too 22.49.46 # measured current draw: 22.50.04 # rockbox 128kbit/s: 125mA 22.50.14 # iriver 128kbit/s: 60mA 22.50.27 # damn... quite the difference 22.50.33 # This is on H300? 22.50.36 # yes 22.50.41 # preglow: the differences were enough that I couldn't figure it out :) 22.50.42 # LinusN: try with toni's patches 22.50.53 # I would like to see the same comparison on H1x0... 22.50.54 # maybe i should 22.51.23 # still, this can't be decoder performance alone 22.51.26 # I don't think it's a rockbox inefficiency, rather the mysterious current draw... 22.51.46 # we're talking *double* power draw here 22.51.55 # indeed :( 22.52.41 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.53.16 # interesting fact #2: 22.53.18 # LinusN: even with playback paused it draws 125mA, right? 22.53.38 # rockbox idle in browser: 103mA 22.53.50 # iriver idle in browser: 112mA 22.53.55 # hehe 22.54.05 # 1 - 1 22.54.08 # :-P 22.54.10 # Yeah, how does their draw go *down* when playback starts? 22.54.11 # : ) 22.54.17 # petur: When thinking back to my trip to Torino, it's likely that the mystery is caused by the ISP1362 22.54.32 # LinusN: if you have time, do try my isp1362 init patch in the bootloader.. maybe it suspends that chip better? 22.54.51 # I used USB host mode there, and remember that USB host mode really drained the battery 22.54.53 # LinusN: iriver uses more idle than playing mp3s???? 22.55.25 # on the other hand, I claim the fact that I can't access the chip to the fact that it's suspended... :/ 22.55.50 # does the H3x0 series have that disk spinning bug like the ihp-1x0? 22.56.09 # preglow: yes, probably because it runs at a higher frequency in the browser 22.56.14 # LinusN: nice 22.56.37 # LinusN: but yeah, with tonis patches, libmad never boosts on h1x0 22.56.47 # might be worth seeing how much that lowers power consumption 22.56.53 # amiconn: then linus should *really* do the measurements with my init patch - maybe the unconfigured GPIO causes the usbotg chargepump to be enabled? 22.56.53 Quit ts-x ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 22.57.06 # ep0ch_: disk spinning bug? 22.57.29 # Moos: H1x0 retailos always spins the disk in the browser 22.57.41 # oh 22.57.45 Join Presence [0] (n=presence@66.239.107.163.ptr.us.xo.net) 22.58.03 # petur: your patch+toni's ones :) 22.58.14 # Moos: yes it's been a long time since i used iriver firmware, but it was something to do with the disk not spinning down if you don't select a song after booting 22.58.15 # LinusN: Do you have the necessary wires attached to a H1x0? 22.58.40 # ep0ch_: ok 22.59.14 # amiconn: no 22.59.17 Join webguest16 [0] (n=5087d426@labb.contactor.se) 22.59.34 # hmm :( 22.59.48 # the hdd spinning bug was fixed in firmware v166 for the H1xx series 23.00.06 # it was? 23.00.09 # remarkable 23.00.11 # yes 23.00.13 # i thought that'd never be fixed 23.00.17 # : ) 23.00.34 # iriver is such a lousy company when it comes to fixing stuff 23.00.42 # but then again, hand't it been for that, i wouldn't be here, so hooray! 23.00.50 # hehe : ) 23.01.20 # preglow: they aren't lousy they gave us gapless! ;) 23.01.23 # I love newegg. I got my iaudio in today :). It was supposed to ship ups but it's in a fedex box. Ordered friday got today. CA to GA. 23.01.32 # aaaarrrrghh! 23.01.51 # Hotfusion: congrates ! 23.01.53 # 1. Fixed the bug that shuffled tracks on a certain pattern. 23.02.00 # Fixing the jumptable bug in gcc 3.3.6 and then building rockbox triggers another bug! :( 23.02.00 # Hotfusion: nice -- ordered a digicam on friday, should be at my UPS box waiting for me now. 23.02.14 # arrghh, http://www.rockbox.org/irc/cgiirc/irc.cgi 23.02.14 # I appreciated the somehow free upgraded shipping 23.02.15 # :D 23.02.19 # amiconn: viscious circle :( 23.02.21 # lostlogic: has the freeze after a few minutes bug in the 4g been fixed yet? 23.02.29 # between proper iPod reboots, where are the settings saved? current playlist, theme, etc? 23.02.43 # piroko: dunno, I haven't done anything directly relating to it, but have fixed several crossfade related bugs of lte 23.02.43 # http://www.iriveramerica.com/support/hd/H100_firmware.aspx 23.02.48 # Presence: in a sector on the disk 23.03.29 # uh, like a data file? or a freaking bit-by-bit on a partition somewhere? 23.03.30 # webguest16: lol, no.1 improved lyric support 23.03.33 # I04:IllInstr at 000000F0, wtf 23.03.59 # yea, well guess for some its important :-) 23.04.09 # lostlogic: yeah crossfade came back, thanks 23.04.12 # Presence: sector 62 23.04.19 # 61 23.04.24 # in a binary chunk 23.04.26 # kay, uh, yeah. nevermind then. 23.04.32 # (on a disk with standard sector layout) 23.04.34 # Moos: of course it did, that's why I declared it fixed today :) 23.04.44 # haha ;D 23.04.50 # * Bagder makes mental note. 61 61 61 61 61 23.05.01 # hehe : ) 23.05.24 # Actually MIN(61, start_of_first_partition - 2) 23.05.37 # I'm going to be running out of rockbox time for 1 week from now. Was hoping to have less outstanding issues in playback by this point :( 23.05.43 # So it's sector 30 on many flash disks (Ondio) 23.05.49 # oh holy shit, yer not fucking with me. 23.05.52 # its literally sector 61. 23.05.58 # lol 23.06.14 # lostlogic: unfortunatly, lots of playback bugs still here ;( 23.06.17 # well, we can still mock you if you want? ;-) 23.06.29 # absolutely! 23.06.54 Part webguest16 23.06.58 # Agh. 23.06.59 Join toutmou [0] (n=darkside@aqu33-3-82-226-195-110.fbx.proxad.net) 23.07.02 # hi 23.07.14 # I want to post a "How to post bug reports the right way" FAQ, but I know *nobody* would ever read it anyway 23.07.45 # hehe 23.07.48 # toni's patch made no difference, hardly surprising 23.07.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: just start throwing things like ID 10-T and PEBKAC around as responses 23.07.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: well, such posts are good to point to anyway 23.07.59 # LinusN: why? 23.08.03 # Yeah 23.08.12 # lostlogic: bargh! you need to fix the 'selecting a new file sometimes doesn't work bug' first!"¤ 23.08.19 # I've found log for this chan while googling to find how to extract .rbz file.. Anyone know something about this file format ? 23.08.21 # preglow: I'll uhh try... 23.08.28 # I probably will create one for gen discussion. 23.08.35 # preglow: because it didn't boost much before the patch anyway 23.08.41 # fix that, and i can't think of anything annoying 23.08.53 # At least cover the "Clearly list steps for reproducing bug" and "If you're using an 11 DAY OLD BUILD, try a bleeding edge first." 23.08.56 # preglow: there are certainly others, but yes, that is probably the worst 23.09.05 # toutmou: what's .rbz? 23.09.20 # * amiconn curses gcc 23.09.39 # seems to be a form of compressed file 23.10.13 # RotAtoR: any luck on getting rid of the pops? 23.10.13 # http://filext.com/detaillist.php?extdetail=RBZ 23.10.16 # :) 23.10.20 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-175-19.sd.sd.cox.net) 23.10.26 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3001.gwdg.de) 23.10.47 # and why would _we_ know anything about it? 23.11.30 # I've found logs on google where people talk about tis file format 23.11.35 # ok.. who's porting rail baron to rockbox? 23.11.47 # petur: no difference with your patch 23.11.54 # thought we weren't going to turn it into a gameboy so you need asprin :) 23.11.57 # can anyone tell me exactly what function is called when a file is selected with the >> button and audio is currently playing? 23.12.17 # LinusN: both with a bit of luck? 23.12.32 # i was using both 23.12.32 # toutmou: We weren't talking about that format. .rbz was proposed as an extension that could be used at some point for another format entirely. 23.12.35 # LinusN: any easy way of deciding which component eats the power without having to pick the board apart? :/ 23.12.41 # LinusN: ok :( 23.12.47 # preglow: not really 23.12.59 # oh ok, sorry 23.13.12 # good bye 23.13.16 Quit freqmod (Remote closed the connection) 23.13.17 Part toutmou ("Leaving") 23.13.17 # toutmou: Good luck 23.13.18 # LinusN: cut all the traces and just hack it together with a bunch of wires afterwards, heh 23.13.23 Quit ProgramZeta (Client Quit) 23.13.40 # :-) 23.14.28 # LinusN: have an infrared probe? perhaps monitoring temperature in iRiver vs. Rockbox would be a strategy 23.14.32 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@adsl-68-93-83-152.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 23.14.41 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-175-19.sd.sd.cox.net) 23.14.44 # like amiconn said, it would be nice to see how power usage compares on ihp-1x0 23.15.20 Join webguest99 [0] (n=5087d426@labb.contactor.se) 23.15.37 # lostlogic: no i don't have one 23.15.42 Part lowlight 23.15.50 # ep0ch_: yes it would be interesting 23.15.59 # but not as interesting as fixing h3x0 23.16.03 # preglow: I think I may be still be sometimes getting a small pop, but I need to make sure it's not just the album I picked 23.16.12 # give me a couple hours of solid listening and I'll know for sure :) 23.16.20 # RotAtoR: in any case i'd like the tracks you hear/heard the pop on 23.16.27 # does the h3xx board have any components for optical out on the board ? 23.16.28 # preglow: sure 23.16.56 # paused playback draws 10mA less 23.17.00 # RotAtoR: excellent, i'll need to do some hacking on mpc.c to make the seek patch apply again, and i need to find out if it works 23.17.06 # webguest99: no 23.17.21 # thanks 23.17.26 # Maybe I should put the necessary wires into my H140. There's still my idea of deep-sleep that has to be tested for feasibility 23.18.03 # preglow: just tried with some differents album, no pop here with bleeding edge build 23.18.05 # LinusN: and with LCD off? 23.18.38 # if I wanted to "reset" sector 61, would I best do it by reflashing the bootloader? I think I f'd up and shoved white text over white backgrounds and I can't read any menus. 23.19.09 # preglow: ok, i'll let you know as soon as I've come to some sort of conclusion 23.19.18 # RotAtoR: gr8 23.19.46 # Presence: Most Rockbox targets have a button you can hold to tell RB to reset it. Record on iRivers, and having the hold switch on on iPods. Just hold it down / switch it on before the bootloader finishes. 23.19.46 # lostlogic: congrats on finally solving the crossfade issues 23.19.47 # what if the extra current draw is being sent to earth ? 23.20.09 # oh hell, cool! 23.20.11 # ep0ch_: that is with lcd off 23.20.35 # webguest99: what earth? unless there's a bug in the power regulator, that's quite impossible 23.20.42 # s/power/voltage/ 23.20.44 # "cleared" !!! FUCKING WOOT! 23.20.48 # Hehehe 23.21.02 # thanks, all. 23.21.05 # preglow: is the pop can come from bad encoding? 23.21.14 # Moos: god knows 23.21.19 # k 23.21.23 # i don't have too many musepack files yet 23.21.33 # Hey, folks, is there an "all" manual build yet? And if not, which manual covers the most stuff? H120 maybe? 23.21.34 # perhaps we could make a Pop Cap? 23.21.37 # * Bagder grins 23.21.44 # preglow: cause here it seems I have no pop 23.21.57 # preglow: do you want fews? 23.22.03 # I realized I've never read it yet, and I've got somewhere I may have to sit a while. It might be nice to know what's actually *in* it, so that when I suggest that people read it, I won't one day have them come back and say "I did. It didn't say." 23.22.08 # Moos: not unless you remember they used to pop before 23.22.15 # Moos: i've got some gapless files i know work, you see 23.22.16 # Bagder: Haha, what are you sinking about 23.22.21 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-50.VIC.netspace.net.au) 23.22.39 # weel, at the rate that power is being consumed some component must be getting pretty warm 23.22.52 # preglow: fortunatly I don't have find yet bad songs on my collection, if so I'll send it to you too 23.23.25 # Well 60mA at 3.3V isn't that much to produce significant heat 23.23.30 # Moos: i think rotator had a few he knew was popping 23.23.44 # goodie 23.26.26 # h100 readings: 23.26.37 # idle: 69mA 23.26.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.27.16 # mp3: 80mA 23.28.01 # paused: 69mA 23.28.08 # nice 23.28.39 # woots 23.28.43 # original firmware: 23.29.38 # midgey34: ty 23.30.24 # man this x5l is smaller than I thought 23.30.55 # preglow: conclusion, no more popping :) 23.30.57 # mp3: 55mA 23.31.05 # RotAtoR: wootsness 23.31.06 # wow 23.31.08 # should I charge it before use? 23.31.10 # idle: 90mA 23.31.16 # the first album I tried just had pops in the actual file 23.32.02 # Hotfusion: you need the AC plugged in to be able to flash Rockbox ;-) 23.32.16 # RotAtoR: but you got a couple of files you know used to pop when changing between them? 23.32.18 # conclusion: rockbox idles better than iriver :-) 23.32.23 # hehe 23.32.24 # LinusN: Well, much better matching values than on H300 23.32.35 # we have a more efficient idle loop :-P 23.32.37 # LinusN: they probably clock the cpu mad assed low 23.32.42 # preglow: yes, and no more popping now 23.32.43 # we knew that already, look at all the idlers in this channel! 23.32.43 # for mp3 23.32.47 # RotAtoR: could i have them? 23.32.48 # preglow: when decoding, yes 23.32.55 # LinusN: yeah 23.33.10 # The idle/playing values for rockbox could probably be lowered by using 34MHz as the normal frequency 23.33.14 # we could probably do that as well 23.33.24 # we could also do it in a codec dependent way :P 23.33.29 # preglow: sure, i'll upload them somewhere 23.34.01 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-239-230.dsl.pipex.com) 23.34.06 # The values match the reported playback time of 11..12 hour on H1x0 very well, given that iriver promises 16 hours 23.34.15 # definately liking this 23.34.33 # The H300 values are badness 23.34.41 # very much so 23.35.13 # not gonna use it quite yet, let it charge then organize my music 23.36.17 # preglow: I get no popping with mpc either 23.36.26 # preglow: on a h140 23.36.46 # arf-arf: did you use to? 23.37.17 # Did I use to? (don't understand the question) 23.37.41 # did you use to get pops? 23.37.47 Quit piroko ("telinit 0") 23.37.47 # yep - all the time 23.38.04 # then hooray for me! 23.38.08 # this is SO much better. None so far 23.38.16 # Exactly, hooray indeed! 23.38.27 # idle@45mhz: 70mA 23.38.42 # idle@124mhz: 100mA 23.38.58 # LinusN: what about trying to disable the thread sleep? 23.39.05 # would be fun to see how much we save with that 23.39.17 # disregard me if i'm being annoying, heh 23.39.29 # * LinusN disregards annoying norwegians 23.39.32 # * amiconn suspect that some threads never sleep on swcodec 23.39.38 # * LinusN too 23.39.45 # which? 23.39.52 Join zbz [0] (n=53edd27f@labb.contactor.se) 23.40.00 # hi everybody 23.40.06 # * amiconn thinks these threads need to be spotted and made to behave 23.40.07 # anybody here ? 23.40.09 # during playback, the codec thread pretty much never sleeps. 23.40.19 # playback i know of 23.40.21 # who can help me ? 23.40.21 # but it shouldn't really ever sleep. 23.40.29 # but when testing the thread sleep on ipod, i did get sleep during idle 23.40.48 # zbz: just ask your question 23.40.52 Join Haykuro [0] (n=haykuro@c-66-176-103-13.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) 23.40.52 # lostlogic: Even the codec thread should go to sleep if the cpu is unboosted and the pcm buffer is full 23.40.53 # O:\RockBox>ipodpatcher.exe -w 2 rockboot.bin ipodpatcher v0.3 - (C) Dave Chapman 2006 This is free software; see the source for copying conditions. There is NO warranty; not even for MERCHANTABILITY or FITNESS FOR A PARTICULAR PURPOSE. [INFO] Reading partition table from \\.\PhysicalDrive2 Part Start Sector End Sector Size (MB) Type 0 63 80324 39.2 Empty (0x00) 1 80325 39054014 19 23.41.09 # sorry, i am russian 23.41.14 # english is not good ) 23.41.37 # So sorry to interupt but, How do i uninstall rockbox from my ipod? i searched the twiki for a guide and could not find anything. 23.41.44 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp123-179.adsl.forthnet.gr) 23.41.58 # Haykuro: with a large magnet :-) 23.42.00 # when i setup rockbox. i see [ERR] File is too large for firmware partition, aborting. 23.42.07 # now why would you want to do something like that... 23.42.07 # wtf?! :(( 23.42.27 # i love rockbox cuz of the skinning, but i want to put ipod linux becuz i prefer video over skins 23.42.28 # on iPod hard drive too much space 23.42.41 # amiconn: which would only happen on mp3 on h1x0 or flac or wav on other targets... it's not exactly a giant power saver... and would hafta do something to indicate the reason for the sleep to prevent the CPU from boosting when it wakes up. 23.42.43 # help me please 23.43.01 # we need a big "ipl vs rockbox" comparison wiki page 23.43.03 # zbz: You've probably incorrectly prepared the bootloader. 23.43.15 # Haykuro: ipodlinux can't decode compressed video, you know 23.43.22 # lostlogic: With an efficient codec, I seriously doubt that it would boost after wakeup 23.43.36 # me too 23.43.39 # i read install guide and do it 23.43.40 # i think it's a good idea 23.43.41 # Haykuro: Well, generally the idea of Rockbox isn't exactly skinning, but really good audio playback. Especially compared to iPL. But you can restore it just by ipodpatcher N -w bootpartition.bin, assuming you kept your original like you should've 23.44.02 # I don't say it should go to sleep for extended times, just a sleep(0) when it's done filling the pcm buffer 23.44.14 # 0 does what? 23.44.16 # sleep(0) would send the thread to sleep for the rest of the tick 23.44.21 # ahh 23.44.37 # we could probably sleep a bit more than that too 23.44.39 # @Paul_The_Nerd: yea i kno that too, i love the way its gapless and all, but i really rather watch videos and use the original nano firmware for music i guess 23.44.46 # please help me 23.44.59 # amiconn: it would boost after wakeup by nature of being below the watermark to triger the wakeup -- it would require special handling to know how it _got_ under the watermark 23.45.07 # videos on nano? 23.45.07 # lostlogic: How long is one pcm chunk again (in playtime)? 23.45.15 # video for rockbix is a long time away but it would be nice to have mroe than just avi for video formats 23.45.19 # rockbox* 23.45.23 # amiconn: ~1/5s 23.45.32 # lostlogic: It shouldn't wait until it gets below the boost watermark 23.46.11 # It should just sleep for a short time instead of busy-looping when pcm buffer is full 23.46.11 # i do all from a guide... and other eople do it from a guide 23.46.18 # amiconn: hmm... ok, I can do that. 23.46.22 # @ep0ch_: yea, iPL does videos on nano, which is y i rather use that, although im going to miss rockbox dearly, the doom for it has sounds unlike iPL, and the skins and the way it plays music were all great. but iPL, in my eyes, wins because of videos on nano 23.46.39 # But the videos are uncompressed 23.46.39 # lostlogic: One empty pcm buffer block wouldn't make it boost immediately? 23.46.43 # And large 23.46.47 # but you need a microscope to see the video? 23.46.53 # uncompressed video on nano... 23.46.59 # Haykuro: all the videos need to be uncompressed, they'll be bloody _HUGE_ 23.47.02 # that better be short films ;-) 23.47.06 # _uncompressed_ ? 23.47.13 # yea 23.47.19 # Yes 23.47.25 # it doesnt support real time decoding 23.47.30 # Wow, uncompressed colour video on a flash based device 23.47.32 Nick Garga-Work is now known as Gargamale (n=johnolso@cpe-24-160-202-103.ma.res.rr.com) 23.47.32 # amiconn: no no, I was thinking of sleeping it for a long time. 23.48.01 # amiconn: can definitely sleep it for up to a full second without triggering a post sleep boost. 23.48.03 # lostlogic: I think sleeping for some ticks should be enough. (1..10 ticks) 23.48.24 # me too 23.48.31 # currently it sleeps for 1, and unboosts if it hits the full buffer... 23.48.50 # so increase to 10 if the CPU was not boosted when it hits? 23.48.55 # Ah, so it already does sleep 23.49.01 Quit petur ("Zzzz") 23.49.25 # playback.c 391 23.50.30 # hmmok 23.50.31 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 23.51.04 # LinusN: Could you test whether changing that to HZ/10 saves anything (with mp3 + Toni's patch)? 23.51.08 # hmm, how long away in estimated time do u think rockbox is away from having videos 23.51.09 # ? 23.51.28 # Haykuro: we don't estimate such things, nobody is currently working on it. 23.51.48 # hmph.. okay 23.52.08 # And/or the other way round, removing the sleep from the scheduler makes it draw more 23.52.09 # Haykuro: its your chance to get the spot in the lights! 23.52.59 # lostlogic: how much do you people need to pay for gasoline these days? 23.53.00 Quit zbz ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 23.53.32 # preglow: its around 3 USD here (in michigan) 23.53.39 # Yep 23.53.46 # for how much? 23.53.46 # preglow: How much over there? 23.53.46 # preglow: $2.69/gallon at regular unleaded. 23.53.50 # 1 gallon 23.53.55 # Paul_The_Nerd: You suck 23.53.56 # amiconn: not at the moment 23.54.02 # What state are you in? 23.54.16 # Kyomi: I live in Texas. It'd be cheaper still if I were nearer Houston 23.54.18 # $3/gal 23.54.20 # It's like... $2.87/gallon 23.54.21 # i'm just wondering what sane person can claim that's much 23.54.23 # Hmmm 23.54.30 # Bagder: I've been playing with the plugins for a while and attempted to make a video player but all i could come up with was something that would take ur AVI, show a black screen, then corrupt ur AVI for i still dont kno wut reason 23.54.37 Quit TCK (Connection timed out) 23.54.38 # 1 US gallon == 3.785 liters 23.54.40 # Isn't that odd... the place where Bush was from has the lowest gas price 23.54.52 # in england it is soon to be £1 a litre!! 23.54.59 # just reading some newspaper article here and finding it mindboggling what americans call a high gas price, heh 23.55.08 # i need to pay 2 bucks a litre soon 23.55.09 # preglow: Well, seeing as it was at like $1.80/gallon at one point, it's gone up quite a bit. So it's much relative to what it was before. 23.55.10 Quit ender` (" # Basic IBM dingbats, some of which will never have a purpose clear # to mankind -- /usr/src/linux/drivers/char/cp437.uni") 23.55.13 # Kyomi: thats because where bush is from they ride horses and camals 23.55.19 # 1 pound = ? USD? 23.55.25 # preglow: this place is big, as we've discussed... gas prices matter less when your country is the size of my state :-P 23.55.41 # Haykuro: Shhhh... you'll spoil my conspiracy ;P 23.55.44 # lostlogic: so gas prices need to be low because the country is big? 23.55.45 # yeah it's $2.78 to 2.87 here in middle georgia 23.55.45 # Paul_The_Nerd: here in florida its hit $3.00/gallon 23.55.46 # Yeah, *my* state could swallow several of those countries and still have room for more. ;-) 23.55.49 # didn't think of that 23.55.50 # heh 23.55.53 # and on which gas station you go to 23.56.08 # I can pick a direction, drive 6 hours, and not leave the state. 23.56.15 # gas prices are in the EUR 1.30 / litre range in germany atm... 23.56.16 # 1 GBP = 1.78 USD 23.56.18 # preglow: my dad used to work 70 miles away from where we live since the school systems were bad out there 23.56.22 # I wanna live in Rhode Island 23.56.32 # now he works 5 miles away but still... 23.56.40 # Then I could pick a direction, drive 30 mins and be.... 20mins away from the state 23.56.41 # midgey34: nasty drive 23.56.43 # preglow: not justifying -- I ride my bike or skate to work -- just saying why people bitch so much 23.57.08 # haha 23.57.12 # don't own a car myself, so i don't care 23.57.13 # Alright, I'm off to have uncooked fish. You folk try not to break too many things while I'm gone. I'm looking at *you* Brandon. 23.57.20 Part Paul_The_Nerd 23.57.23 # ... when I was young, we used to live on the highway! 23.57.26 # i want uncooked fish too :/ 23.57.41 # gotta have mine cooked 23.57.48 # and spiced up with lemon sauce 23.57.50 # good thinking sushi tonight, perhaps. 23.57.51 # mmm 23.57.54 # * Bagder returns back to the shadows 23.57.55 # unfortunately where I live, I have to drive to and from school which can add up rather quickly 23.57.58 # sushi shop's closed now 23.57.59 # bargh 23.58.19 Part ep0ch_ ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 23.58.22 # midgey34: how many miles is it? 23.58.37 # not too bad, 7 or so each way 23.58.44 # midgey34: then use a bicycle 23.59.00 # I have to be there at 6.45 or else I would