--- Log for 26.04.106  Server: clarke.freenode.net  Channel: #rockbox
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00.00.00 #       <lostlogic> midgey34: yes, chicago
00.00.02 #       * amiconn went by bike today
00.00.06 #       <klrspz> do the ipods have a hard reset?
00.00.09 #       <midgey34> but yes, we all drive too much
00.00.10 #       <preglow> i like biking anyway
00.00.13 #       <preglow> as long as it doesn't rain
00.00.15 #       <klrspz> like it'll wipe otu the disk and start from scratch?
00.00.17 #       <crashd> klrspz: menu+select, hold it down
00.00.24 #       <crashd> klrspz: oh, use the apple updater
00.00.24 #       <klrspz> that's a soft reset
00.00.28 #       <amiconn> 14 km each way
00.00.29 #       <crashd> no, it's a hardware reset
00.00.31 #       <klrspz> ok, that's what i was thinking
00.00.33 #       <preglow> lostlogic: small wonder with gas prices like that
00.00.36 #       <crashd> as opposed to a software reset
00.00.44 #       <crashd> but yeah, apple updater will restore it to factory defaults
00.00.50 #       <preglow> lostlogic: norwegians are bad as hell too, and that's even with the kite-high gas prices
00.01.04 #       <Hotfusion> funny how this president of an oil comapny is getting paid 400 million in retirment pay, make billions of dollars a year (oil company) and yet charge high gas prices
00.01.04 #       <klrspz> i don't ever plan on using the retail os anymore, was wondering if it was safe to delete everything
00.01.08 #       <Hotfusion> the american way right?
00.01.10 #       <Hotfusion> lol
00.01.15 #       <Mikachu> klrspz: yes
00.01.17 #       <preglow> klrspz: it is
00.01.53 #       <klrspz> cool
00.01.55 DBUG    Enqueued KICK XavierGr
00.01.55 #       <XavierGr> 10[00:56] 0000,03amiconn00,9901: gas prices are in the EUR 1.30 / litre range in germany atm...01,99 <- that's too expensive. It is 1.00 euro / litre in Greece.
00.02.07 #       <XavierGr> oops sorry for the colour
00.03.00 #       <preglow> like i said
00.03.04 #       <preglow> it's 2$ a litre here now
00.03.08 #       <preglow> people are whining like pigs
00.03.31 Ctcp    Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood
00.03.31 #       * preglow pats peak oil
00.03.35 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: Actually more like EUR 1.40/liter for me. My car needs roz 98
00.04.04 #       <Moos> much depending about State taxes
00.04.04 #       <XavierGr> and I thought gas prices were bad in Greece!
00.04.13 #       <Hotfusion> everybody but preglow likes to play low gas prices
00.04.14 #       <preglow> XavierGr: they're not!
00.04.17 #       <Hotfusion> pay*
00.04.17 #       <XavierGr> Does your state has a crazy tax for gas?
00.04.19 #       <Hotfusion> heh
00.04.24 #       <preglow> hahaha
00.04.47 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: wtf -- 98 octane!? what you driving, a race car?
00.04.49 #       <Mikachu> i think 80% or so of the price is tax here
00.04.50 #       <Moos> EU don't have the same taxes for all (and probably never)
00.04.59 #       <preglow> lostlogic: you know, the autobahn and all
00.05.01 #       <Hotfusion> turbo?
00.05.02 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: No, and old BMW
00.05.04 #       <amiconn> *an
00.05.11 #       <preglow> lostlogic: you need a formula 1 car to survive
00.05.12 #       <arf-arf> preglow: I've managed to find a bug with mpc playback
00.05.18 #       <preglow> arf-arf: spill it
00.05.36 #       <arf-arf> 1) play any mpc file in a folder
00.05.45 #       <amiconn> Hotfusion: no turbo
00.05.47 #       <arf-arf> 2) wait for the hdd light to go out
00.06.08 #       <arf-arf> 3) switch to a different folder and select (right) on a new song
00.06.22 #       <Moos> it's playback related bug
00.06.23 #       <Hotfusion> I need to get higher octane like 93 just one time so I can clean the fuel system.
00.06.24 #       <preglow> arf-arf: that's a rockbox bug, not an mpc bug, and you don't need to wait for the hdd light or switch to a new folder, just try it
00.06.38 #       <preglow> arf-arf: if you're talking about the file not wanting to play
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00.06.57 #       <arf-arf> oh. okay. in that case you HAVE fixed mpc playback(!)
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00.07.21 #       <preglow> hooray, i tells ya
00.07.28 #       <arf-arf> heheh
00.07.32 #       <Moos> yeah preglow great works !! congrates
00.07.44 #       <Moos> now just the patch missing :P
00.07.48 #       <Hotfusion> Triva question: True or False, opening up a digital photo constantly over a period of time will degrade the photo picture
00.07.56 #       <preglow> i owe it all to lostlogic, if i didn't try to fix his bug, this wouldn't have happened!
00.07.56 #       <amiconn> Most cars sold here nowadays prefer 95 octane (super), but can accomodate 91 octane
00.08.03 #       <preglow> Hotfusion: ahahahah
00.08.09 #       <Hotfusion> I had this lady tell me some photo guys told her that would happen
00.08.12 #       <Hotfusion> I was like WTF
00.08.14 #       <Mikachu> there is only 95 and 98 octane in sweden
00.08.17 #       <amiconn> Just some rather old or very powerful cars need 98 octane (super plus)
00.08.18 #       <Mikachu> (i think)
00.08.33 #       <preglow> Hotfusion: just go back and laught at her
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00.14.41 #       * amiconn is silly
00.14.45 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: hmm... premium here is 93, and you can't get more in most places.
00.15.13 #       <lostlogic> Hotfusion: if you open and _save_ it over and over it will.
00.15.14 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: Two oil companies are even selling 100 octane in germany...
00.15.22 #       <amiconn> (shell and aral/bp)
00.15.26 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: sunoco sells 105 in some states here, I believe.
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00.16.50 #       <preglow> lostlogic: oh? you can get 98 everywhere here
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00.16.59 #       <lostlogic> I wonder if they use different measuring methods
00.17.04 #       <preglow> me too
00.17.31 #       <amiconn> preglow: I now know what caused my 'other' bug. It's a thing that I added a workaround for on my windows host, but not on my debian vm...
00.17.38 #       <markun> ipl people are doing fun things with alpha blending: http://www.josh.sys-techs.com/ipl/hotdog1.mp4
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00.18.17 #       <lostlogic> it is different
00.18.34 #       <lostlogic> Europe sells gas by RON only, US it's (RON + MON) / 2
00.18.53 #       <lostlogic> so 98 ~= 93 (with way too many variables to really compare)
00.19.41 #       * preglow nods and pretends he understands
00.20.02 #       <Bagder> I hate it when facts come in to spoil a good discussion ;-P
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00.20.56 #       <preglow> me knowledge of cars pretty much stops at how to drive them
00.20.57 #       <Genre9mp3> Does anyone now how the Dict plugin works? There's no documentation in the wiki.. :(
00.21.03 #       <preglow> never could summon the interest to learn more
00.21.09 #       <Genre9mp3> now = know
00.21.38 #       <lostlogic> preglow: I'm one of those odd enthusiast types... so I know cars and digital audio players and bikes and skates about equally well :-\
00.22.10 #       <preglow> lostlogic: i tend to be like that too, but not universally
00.22.32 #       <lostlogic> course, I have no desire to learn DSP algorithms really, and you cars ;)
00.22.39 #       <preglow> haha
00.22.51 #       <preglow> i do tend to dive deep in whatever i'm learning
00.23.02 #       <preglow> but i never started on cars, however much my car crazy friends have tried
00.23.30 #       <lostlogic> I've decided that cars are too expensive of a hobby, comapred to bikes, DAPs and skates, so I'm giving up on them :P
00.23.41 #       <preglow> i do know a hell of a lot about beer, though!
00.23.45 #       * preglow has another one
00.25.09 #       <amiconn> LinusN: So, what do you think about requiring a gcc patch for building rockbox (for archos)?
00.25.11 #       * LinusN and Bagder have spent quite some time under the hood of cars
00.25.23 #       <Bagder> yay ignitions!
00.25.25 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i have no problem with that
00.25.31 #       <preglow> then it's settled
00.25.33 #       <crashd> LinusN: what, together?
00.25.38 #       <LinusN> yes
00.25.39 #       <preglow> we keep our own patch tree
00.25.48 #       <preglow> we can't count on the gcc people to include anything we do, that's for sure
00.25.55 #       <amiconn> All build servers would need to have the patched gcc installed
00.26.03 #       * lostlogic mutters
00.26.45 #       <amiconn> For now we can save ~3.7% code size with a patched gcc-3.3.6 and -Os
00.27.06 #       <LinusN> nice
00.27.07 #       <Mikachu> have you compared performance?
00.27.28 #       <amiconn> The patch will also ensure plugin stability (plugins are already compiled with -O2, and the bug may hit us there without the patch)
00.27.30 #       <lostlogic> I'm concerned about the endpoint for this -- we can also save over 10% codesize if we make gcc-4 for arm properly handle long calls between sections only.
00.27.34 #       <lostlogic> should we do that?
00.27.51 #       <amiconn> Another workaround is needed for gcc3.3.6 -Os, in mp3_playback.c
00.28.17 #       <Bagder> gcc patches for everyone!
00.28.23 #       <lostlogic> UGH
00.28.38 #       <amiconn> This workaround wouldn't be needed if I manage to get gcc3.4.6 -Os builds working, and it would save us another ~1.3%
00.28.40 #       <Bagder> quite painful
00.29.08 #       * LinusN remembers when we had to use a patched binutils for coldfire targets
00.29.10 #       <Mikachu> did i mention i lost a lot of performance on ogg when i tried compiling it with -Os?
00.29.19 #       <amiconn> For some reason I would prefer the latter...
00.30.03 #       <amiconn> Today's recorder builds: 224KB. gcc-3.3.6 -Os: 216KB. gcc-3.4.6 -Os: 213KB
00.30.24 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: Yes you did
00.30.31 #       <Mikachu> okay, sorry :)
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00.30.39 #       <preglow> Mikachu: we won't be compiling Os for swcodec anyway
00.30.45 #       <preglow> it's just for those old crummy ugly things ;)
00.30.53 #       <Mikachu> ah, right
00.30.58 #       <obo> I'm guessing ld: region FLASH is full is a bad sign? ;)
00.31.06 #       <amiconn> preglow: Heh!
00.31.23 #       <amiconn> obo: Building for archos?
00.31.33 #       <obo> yeah, testing a patch I'm writing...
00.31.39 #       <amiconn> fm recorder or v2 by chance?
00.31.41 #       <Hotfusion> looking at page 3 of hte iaudio manual. It has a warning, becareful not to cut your hands when taking the player nad acessories out of the box
00.31.50 #       <Hotfusion> OH, thanks for telling me after it's already out
00.31.51 #       <Hotfusion> lol
00.32.16 #       <obo> I picked a v2 at random - I have no physical device to test on, but I thought I'd see if it would compile
00.32.18 #       <amiconn> That's currently normal, unfortunately. All the recent code additions broke rombox...
00.32.41 #       <amiconn> That's one reason why I'm experimenting with -Os like mad...
00.32.44 #       <preglow> amiconn: will rombox work when you Os going, btw?
00.32.56 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, but still tight
00.33.02 #       <preglow> sure, it'll always be tight
00.33.07 #       <preglow> and more features will come
00.33.10 #       <amiconn> Iirc we're currently ~3.5KB above limit
00.33.41 #       <preglow> the only permanent solution is disabling features
00.33.56 #       <amiconn> Bagder: Would it be possible to check for the patched gcc in configure?
00.34.08 #       <amiconn> Afaik configure already checks the gcc version
00.34.11 #       <Bagder> sure, if we just have a means to do it
00.34.38 #       <preglow> we could alter the version strings
00.34.41 #       <amiconn> Would it be easy to search for a string in the gcc -v output?
00.34.50 #       <preglow> yes
00.34.51 #       <Bagder> very easy
00.35.08 #       <amiconn> Thinking about sth like  gcc 3.3.6 (rockbox patch-1)
00.35.15 #       <lostlogic> I seriously don't understand how this tree code works, and I need to know what happens when the user selects a file with >> in order to make it work properly, someone gotta hand?
00.35.43 #       <preglow> lostlogic: not much i can do, i'm afraid
00.35.48 #       <amiconn> Or maybe a date...
00.36.32 #       <preglow> amiconn: i think a patch version number will do nicely
00.36.41 #       <preglow> no need for anything more complicated
00.38.08 #       <amiconn> Okay, then I'll commit the workaround for gcc 3.3.x and put together a patch
00.38.33 #       <LinusN> lostlogic: it calls ft_enter()
00.39.02 #       <LinusN> in filetree.c
00.40.14 #       <LinusN> which in turn will create a playlist and call playlist_start()
00.40.28 #       <lostlogic> LinusN: ah, excellent! thank you
00.40.32 #       <LinusN> which calls audio_play()
00.41.33 #       <LinusN> time to sleep
00.41.37 #       <LinusN> nite all
00.41.40 #       <lostlogic> night
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00.42.40 #       <goffa> lostlogic: you still need help? 
00.42.43 #       <preglow> amiconn: you're going to go for gcc 3.3.x now?
00.42.47 #       <preglow> why not go 3.4.x at once?
00.43.02 #       <lostlogic> goffa: I think I'm on the trail of the hair.
00.43.11 #       <goffa> ok
00.44.02 #       <amiconn> preglow: (1) going for 3.3.x and -Os and have rombox for fm/v2 in 3.0 (2) wading through the 3.4.x problems and not have it ready in time for 3.0
00.44.06 #       <amiconn> Which one is better?
00.44.15 #       <goffa> going to eat this sandwitch then... and twiddle my thumbs before i have to work again
00.44.19 #       <Hotfusion> hmm I'd like to figure out how to turn off the screen while the x5l is charging
00.44.21 #       <Hotfusion> anyone know how
00.44.26 #       <amiconn> The workaround doesn't hurt, it's more like a protection
00.44.28 #       <Hotfusion> not using rockbox yet
00.44.36 #       <goffa> hot
00.44.39 #       <goffa> boot rockbox
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00.44.44 #       <preglow> amiconn: the second one, of course
00.44.47 #       <goffa> and plug in
00.45.05 #       <Bagder> Hotfusion: in regular mode you can switch off the screen by a quick move up with the hold button
00.45.20 #       <goffa> yeah... you just have to have rockbox loaded
00.45.22 #       <Bagder> I mean in the original firmware
00.45.25 #       <Hotfusion> that worked
00.45.28 #       <Hotfusion> thanks bagder
00.45.31 #       <goffa> oh.. ok
00.45.35 #       <erich> The album art extension for rockbox, how does it work (embedded covers into mp3 files, or can it use .folder.jpg and such?) - and how much battery will it cost me?
00.46.04 #       <erich> Is there a guide to maximizing battery life with rockbox (e.g. pick a theme which doesn't scroll text?)
00.46.43 #       <goffa> erich... shutting off everything you can seems to help.
00.47.12 #       <goffa> like tag cache, dir cache, random, intensive wps, voice, etc
00.47.28 #       <goffa> random depends on the player
00.47.30 #       <goffa> and file type
00.47.31 #       <Mikachu> erich: it's possible you'll save a tiny bit if you go out to the menu instead of sitting in wps
00.48.22 #       <goffa> e.g. flac on a hard drive based player uses more battery
00.48.34 #       <goffa> but on flash based it could potentially be less
00.48.41 #       <goffa> than most file types
00.48.44 #       <Bagder> try google for "popcap david haas"
00.49.03 #       <Genre9mp3> How do you "execute" a .pl file?
00.49.21 #       <Mikachu> perl .pl or chmod +x .pl; ./.pl
00.49.26 #       <Genre9mp3> thanx
00.50.08 #       <amiconn> Bagder: No documents found?
00.50.20 #       <Mikachu> i got the cease and desist stuff
00.50.20 #       <Bagder> wow
00.50.28 #       <Bagder> I got lots of Rockbox cease links
00.50.29 #       <goffa> heh.. .i think mr hass needs to be sterile
00.50.40 #       <goffa> that way he can't reproduce and further lower the collective iq of the world
00.50.45 #       <amiconn> It's dave, not david
00.50.52 #       * amiconn copy-n-pasted
00.50.54 #       <Bagder> its david
00.51.01 #       <preglow> david
00.51.07 #       <preglow> dave's the address
00.51.13 #       <goffa> yeah.. dave is to friendly of a name
00.51.16 #       <Bagder> yes, he uses both
00.51.22 #       <preglow> damn, that climbed the google rankings quick
00.51.22 #       <Bagder> in his mail
00.51.30 #       <amiconn> Without the "" I also get these links
00.51.50 #       <Mikachu> i assumed the "" was just irc quotes
00.51.53 #       <preglow> ehh?
00.52.08 #       <preglow> herz42: there?
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00.52.35 #       <RotAtoR> here's a picture of dave haas down the page a bit :) http://www.gamasutra.com/features/20050803/tinney_01.shtml
00.52.51 #       <erich> In my tests, the X5 has 6.5 hours battery with rockbox, but 10-11 hours with the original firmware... do they maybe reduce cpu speed or so? after all that is a rather big gap.
00.53.15 #       <muesliiiii> ravon
00.53.17 #       <goffa> erich: they are still working on optimizing
00.53.19 #       <Bagder> erich: that's because Rockbox is very new on X5
00.53.21 #       <preglow> RotAtoR: ahh, and he looks like such a sweet guy
00.53.23 #       <goffa> things are very beta at this point
00.53.25 #       <preglow> RotAtoR: i figured he had horns
00.53.28 #       <RotAtoR> hehe
00.53.34 #       <muesliiiii> RotAtoR o prefer Kamasutra :D
00.53.38 #       <Mikachu> the centos guy looks harmless too
00.53.46 #       <herz42> preglow: here
00.53.52 #       <preglow> herz42: you say the backlight flickers when not boosted in your backlight brightness patch, is that for ipods?
00.54.04 #       <RotAtoR> muesliiiii: too much information!! :p
00.54.12 #       <muesliiiii> ;)
00.54.23 #       <herz42> preglow: yes, my ipod video, but only for like some few percent on-time
00.54.31 #       <preglow> herz42: in that case, it makes no sense, boosting should not affect backlight pwm at all on ipods
00.54.58 #       <goffa> i suppose i should get latest cvs seeing how hard you guys worked on mpc.. just for me :)
00.55.01 #       <preglow> herz42: try manually boosting the cpu in the debug screen so it's always at 75mhz, then see if it changed. if it does, i'll be really surprised
00.56.22 #       <herz42> preglow: when the cpu is boosted, the backlight also flickers a it, but I think it's a litte less..
00.56.39 #       <preglow> herz42: could it just be your imagination, though?
00.56.45 #       <preglow> herz42: the timer should be freq independent on ipods
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00.57.43 #       <herz42> preglow: could indeed be my imagination...
00.58.04 #       <amiconn> preglow: Iirc you also said backlight fade would flicker on ipod
00.58.14 #       <amiconn> On my mini2g nothing flickers...
00.58.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: sure, at lower intensities, but i didn't say it would be cpu freq dependent
00.58.30 #       <preglow> amiconn: flickers like a bitch here at long fade times and lower intensities
00.58.40 #       <preglow> amiconn: i guess it's backlight dependent
00.59.10 #       <erich> Bagder: I know, I'm really amazed how well it already runs though.
00.59.56 #       <herz42> preglow: did you try to vary the absolute on-times to see if flickering changes?
01.00.08 #       <goffa> gah... ../tools/configure: line 1042: m68k-elf-gcc: command not found
01.00.24 #       <goffa> oh yeah
01.00.34 #       <goffa> probably path
01.01.20 #       <preglow> herz42: nopes
01.01.41 #       <Mikachu> herz42: on my nano, it's very flickery at the 2 setting, but 3 and anything higher is stable, not using cpu freq scaling
01.02.25 #       <preglow> Mikachu: why not using freq scaling?
01.02.43 #       <Mikachu> i don't know
01.03.29 #       <herz42> Mikachu: 2 is definitely bad. for 3 I also have to strain to see flickering, but it's there a little bit
01.03.48 #       <herz42> at least in my imagination :)
01.03.49 #       <preglow> Mikachu: best kind of reason, granted
01.03.52 #       <Mikachu> if i shake my ipod real fast i can see that it's only on for certain times
01.03.59 #       <Mikachu> (not recommended for hard disk based players)
01.04.02 #       <preglow> Mikachu: try throwing it at the wall
01.04.07 #       <Mikachu> :P
01.04.24 #       <Mikachu> however
01.04.32 #       <preglow> Mikachu: fancy-ass, i just tried it
01.04.33 #       <Mikachu> i did the same thing in apple os, and it didn't look at all like that
01.04.44 #       <Mikachu> it just faded out everywhere on the line
01.04.48 #       <preglow> Mikachu: i think they use the pcf
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01.05.03 #       <Mikachu> does that mean their pwm is much faster?
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01.05.22 #       <preglow> yep
01.05.25 #       <Mikachu> kay
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01.05.35 #       <preglow> ok, now my arm's tired
01.05.55 #       <Mikachu> use the secondary arm
01.05.55 #       <Mikachu> :)
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01.06.18 #       <preglow> i just sat shaking the bugger for like half a minute until i noticed my hand was covering the click wheel...
01.06.31 #       <Mikachu> heh
01.06.51 #       <preglow> but yeah, i think almost all ipods have some other fading method
01.07.11 #       <webguest35> H140, I'm watching the cpu freq during mp3 playback, and I see that it boosts to 124M every 10secs for a few milliseconds and then back to 45M continuously
01.07.20 #       <preglow> yea
01.07.23 #       <preglow> soon it'll never boost
01.07.44 #       <webguest35> but if the buffer is full, why does it boost
01.07.52 #       <preglow> it shouldn't
01.07.58 #       <preglow> unless the backlight turns off/on
01.08.09 #       <webguest35> backlight is off
01.08.19 #       <preglow> when it switches it boosts
01.08.36 #       <preglow> if the pcm level is high, it should never boost unless the backlight fades or the mp3 buffer is filled
01.08.41 #       <Mikachu> bug, the backlight doesn't work in doom with the patch :)
01.08.53 #       <Mikachu> i know why but it would be better with full on than full off
01.09.15 #       <webguest35> backlight has been off for a while and it still boosts to 124 for a few millisecs every 10~11 secs
01.09.16 #       <amiconn> preglow, Mikachu: Interesting, I just did the shake test with my mini2g
01.09.26 #       * dwihno dreams of insane ipod opts
01.09.38 #       <preglow> dwihno: i dream about cooler stuff
01.09.42 #       <amiconn> I couldn't see the pwm flicker effect. Maybe the mini has some hardware smoothing
01.09.44 #       <Mikachu> somehow, the backlight stopped working even when i exited doom
01.09.51 #       <preglow> amiconn: didn't you mention that?
01.09.51 #       <dwihno> preglow: then you need to sharpen up your nerd factor :)
01.10.05 #       <preglow> amiconn: i thought you said it did some kind of fading no matter if pwm fading was enabled or not
01.10.09 #       <preglow> amiconn: i know 4g does that
01.11.01 #       <amiconn> Ah, right
01.11.40 #       <amiconn> I just re-checked that, 'natural' fade-out delay is ~0.5 sec
01.11.45 #       <preglow> yep
01.11.49 #       <preglow> ideally we should use that fade
01.11.59 #       <preglow> but i have no idea how, not even for 4g where we have the source code to enable it
01.12.08 #       * amiconn didn't remember because he had rockbox fade-out enabled
01.13.52 #       <herz42> Mikachu: does doom use the timer for itself? 
01.13.52 #       <Mikachu> i am pretty sure this http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5145 is already in cvs
01.13.56 #       <Mikachu> herz42: yes
01.14.08 #       <Mikachu> herz42: without your patch, fades don't happen, but it still turns on and off
01.14.20 #       <Mikachu> herz42: it also stayed broken after i exited doom
01.14.47 #       <herz42> maybe the isr stuff got screwed
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01.16.22 #       <preglow> amiconn: i know the pcf can do pwm, doesn't all ipods have a pcf chip?
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01.17.03 #       <amiconn> preglow: yes
01.17.23 #       <amiconn> Still, the backlight needs to be hooked up to the right pcf pin
01.17.36 #       <amiconn> Dunno whether that's the case
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01.20.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: good point, i don't really know how it's connected
01.20.17 #       <preglow> amiconn: though i've noticed a lot of the ipods need to flip two pins for backlight settings
01.20.30 #       <amiconn> The H300 has this kind of backlight control
01.20.44 #       <preglow> in some types you even write a value to a register that's not just one bit
01.20.47 #       <amiconn> Very useful for brightness setting, but unsuitable for fading
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01.21.11 #       <amiconn> preglow: Isn't that just the PP port bit masking?
01.21.23 #       <preglow> amiconn: no, i believe the 4g case is not bit masking
01.22.20 #       <Moos> good night
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01.22.32 #       * amiconn just tested the 'penalty' of the jumptable fix (in gcc 3.3.6)
01.22.49 #       <amiconn> Merely +176 bytes, I think we can live with that ;)
01.22.55 #       <preglow> no!!!!!11one
01.23.13 #       <preglow> a better fix would have no penalty, no?
01.23.18 #       <Mikachu> you can sprinkle some inlines around to compensate
01.23.21 #       <amiconn> Almost no
01.23.24 #       <amiconn> ne
01.23.28 #       <goffa> not if you are programing vista
01.24.15 #       <amiconn> The current fix has a penalty of n bytes for an n-case switch() whose longest jump is between 128 and 255 bytes
01.24.44 #       <amiconn> The 'correct fix would have a penalty of 2 bytes in such a case (compared to the wrong code)
01.25.11 #       <amiconn> (one instruction)
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01.31.42 #       <Inc> do you guy's have ogg support?
01.31.44 #       <preglow> yes
01.31.53 #       <Inc> ok
01.31.54 #       <Inc> thanks
01.32.15 #       <Inc> what's the bitrate?
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01.32.22 #       <preglow> all of them
01.32.29 #       <Inc> which is?
01.32.34 #       <preglow> that is, what player?
01.32.43 #       <Inc> 5g
01.32.50 #       <amiconn> Hmm, -Os does cost a bit of performance
01.32.53 #       <Mikachu> what do you mean "what's the bitrate?"?
01.32.57 #       <preglow> right
01.33.01 #       <preglow> it supports most oggs, then
01.33.11 #       <preglow> perhaps not all of the q9 and q10 ones
01.33.45 #       * amiconn hopes for 3.4.x or even 4.x to fix this
01.33.47 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: i can set the pitch to 145% without Os and about 110% with
01.33.58 #       <preglow> amiconn: any idea what might cause the vanishing disk label? afaik, you have a look at the fat code
01.34.22 #       <amiconn> preglow: No, sorry
01.34.34 #       <preglow> amiconn: who knows about the fat code, then?
01.34.37 #       <Mikachu> i could make my fstab nicer if you fixed that
01.34.43 #       <preglow> amiconn: i don't like the idea of us having bugs in it
01.35.01 #       <amiconn> preglow: I know a bit about the fat code, but I have no idea how it could make the disk label vanish
01.35.20 #       <preglow> amiconn: i deleted my recordings/ dir, i'm pretty sure that was what deleted my disk label
01.35.47 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: Of course on hwcodec I can't perform that test. I did a different (not very scientific) test instead, running cube both on Ondio FM (gcc 3.3.6 -Os) and Ondio SP (gcc 3.3.6 -O)
01.35.47 #       <Mikachu> i mkdosfs'd with -f nano, but it's unlabeled now
01.35.56 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: ah
01.36.03 #       <amiconn> Runs about 7% slower with -Os
01.36.09 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: mine wasn't very scientific either :)
01.36.16 #       <Mikachu> i did make sure to use the same track though
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01.37.23 #       <preglow> amiconn: one could argue speed isn't that important on hwcodec, though
01.37.36 #       <amiconn> Not currently, no
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01.38.09 #       * amiconn wants mod playback...
01.38.16 #       <preglow> forget it...
01.38.16 #       <preglow> heh
01.38.26 #       <preglow> _perhaps_ you could have 4 channel .mod
01.38.40 #       <amiconn> Yes, 4 chan should be possible
01.38.48 #       <preglow> but it would need to be custom 
01.39.19 #       <amiconn> The cpu is faster than a stock 68000/7MHz. We will need to mix channels, but then the SH1 has mac...
01.39.29 #       <preglow> indeed it does
01.39.35 #       <preglow> sounds like a fun project
01.40.05 #       <amiconn> ...and the pcm output uses dma, so not much cpu load caused by that
01.40.10 #       <preglow> what sfreq does amiga mod players usually use?
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01.40.40 #       <amiconn> 4-chan mods use a maximum of ~28800 Hz
01.41.06 #       <amiconn> That's the maximum the paula chip can handle when video is in pal or ntsc mode
01.41.18 #       <preglow> amiga sound chip drives the dacs itself, right?
01.41.28 #       <amiconn> Yes
01.41.29 #       <preglow> so you can pretty much use whatever sfreq you like?
01.41.34 #       <preglow> yup
01.41.45 #       <preglow> i've got a mate who used amigas, so i know a bit
01.41.49 #       <amiconn> The paula has 4 channels with 8-dit dacs, two for each stereo channel
01.42.03 #       <amiconn> There's a 6 bit volume setting for each channel
01.42.30 #       <amiconn> It's not exactly 6bit, because it goes 0..64 instead of 0..63
01.42.31 #       <Hotfusion> hmm the right cord for my iaudio headphones is longer than the left
01.42.33 #       <Hotfusion> heh
01.42.51 #       <amiconn> SOme clever guys made a 14bit audio driver this way
01.42.55 #       <preglow> amiconn: weird...
01.43.07 #       <Hotfusion> never seen headset that way
01.43.13 #       <preglow> amiconn: by combining dac output with level output, yes?
01.43.15 #       <midgey34> Hotfusion: are they a pair designed to go around the back of the head?
01.43.26 #       <Hotfusion> nah stick in your ear kind
01.43.31 #       <Hotfusion> just bizarre
01.43.38 #       <amiconn> Yes, setting one of each side's channels to vol=64, the other one to vol=1
01.43.55 #       <preglow> yup
01.44.01 #       <midgey34> I meant is the cord designed to rest on the back of the neck or underneath the chin (like most do)
01.44.06 #       <amiconn> There's even a calibration program to minimize the nonlinearities of the dacs
01.44.08 #       <preglow> though 8 bit isn't that bad if you dither
01.44.13 #       <preglow> though they never did in those times
01.45.13 #       <sharpe> whee.
01.45.41 #       <amiconn> preglow: Since the max. is ~28800 Hz, we should mix to 32000Hz pcm on archos
01.45.56 #       <sharpe> i fell asleep...
01.46.05 #       <preglow> sharpe: lucky you
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01.46.20 #       <preglow> amiconn: what sample rates does the pcm codec do?
01.46.27 #       <Hotfusion> I'll either get the sennheiser PX-100 or Audio Technica ATH-EM7 GM. Not sure which yet
01.46.32 #       <amiconn> All the standard ones known from mp3 etc
01.46.52 #       <amiconn> 8/11.025/12/16/22.05/24/32/44.1/48 kHz
01.47.15 #       <amiconn> 16bit, big or little endian, stereo or mono
01.47.26 #       <amiconn> Just that we still need to bitswap...
01.47.58 #       <preglow> bargh
01.48.08 #       <amiconn> We could also use non-standard sample rates by misusing the mas pll (like for pitch), but that'll probably break s/pdif out
01.48.20 #       <preglow> s/probably/will/
01.48.31 #       <preglow> won't break it, but you'll get wavs that are tagged real funny
01.48.33 #       <amiconn> I still find it remarkable that we can overclock the mas to 200% ...
01.49.48 #       <preglow> heh
01.49.56 #       <preglow> it can probably take much more too
01.50.12 #       <preglow> power consumption sets a limit before excessive heat does
01.51.21 #       <webguest35> is there any way to have crossfeed come on automatically if the info was flagged in the comments field of the ID3 tag ? 
01.51.29 #       <amiconn> The mas runs at 22 or 24MHz internally, depending on the sample rate
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01.53.16 #       <preglow> webguest35: no
01.53.40 #       <webguest35> thanks
01.53.41 #       <preglow> webguest35: as in of course it's possible, but no, not something i can see us ever doing by default
01.54.47 #       <preglow> good reason to pick up on programming
01.54.55 #       <webguest35> some old 60's and 70's music sounds better with crossfeed, I was thinking that it would be cool to have the info in the tag
01.55.12 #       <preglow> webguest35: yeah, i agree, but i think it's a wee bit too esoteric to include in default rockbox
01.55.21 #       <amiconn> wtf! My mini2g is skipping :(
01.55.26 #       <preglow> amiconn: "surprise"
01.55.30 #       <webguest35> yep you're right, asm or C
01.55.34 #       <preglow> webguest35: c
01.55.45 #       <preglow> webguest35: you'll very, very seldom need asm
01.55.58 #       <preglow> unless you're insane and happen to like it, like me
01.56.21 #       <webguest35> wouldn't want to follow in your footsteps :-)
01.56.40 #       <amiconn> asm is fun...
01.57.08 #       <muesliiiii> amiconn u scare me
01.57.41 #       <amiconn> muesliiiii: Take a look at some of my asm functions, like e.g. coldfire memcpy() ...
01.57.43 #       * preglow preeeeeglow
01.57.51 #       <preglow> muesliiiii: don't
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01.58.19 #       <muesliiiii> dunno anything about asm but its code looks hardcore
01.58.28 #       <amiconn> preglow: Should I suggest your imdct stuff instead?
01.58.34 #       <preglow> amiconn: ahahah, don't
01.58.43 #       <preglow> i nearly went cross-eyed from writing it
01.59.07 #       <preglow> luckily someone even deeper in the clutches of insanity, toni1, has rewritten it
01.59.29 #       <amiconn> Speaking about that - any reason to hold back the commit?
01.59.32 #       <preglow> nope
01.59.36 #       <preglow> just need a wee bit more testing
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01.59.45 #       <amiconn> Did you re-check the sine wave cases you mentioned?
01.59.47 #       <preglow> i'm going to commit it tomorrow if nothing pops up
01.59.52 #       <preglow> yep, it works just fine now
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02.01.48 #       <preglow> it pays to keep sine wave samples around, it almost always triggers subtle bugs
02.02.32 #       <chi> is vfat the same as fat32?
02.02.46 #       <preglow> chi: yea
02.02.53 #       <amiconn> chi: No, it's a separate concept
02.02.57 #       <preglow> oh?
02.03.01 #       <chi> ?
02.03.09 #       <sharpe> seems like it'd be like, "virtual fat"
02.03.16 #       <amiconn> fat can be fat12, fat16 or fat32 depending on the disk size
02.03.19 #       <Mikachu> vfat is the long filenames stuff i think
02.03.25 #       <amiconn> vfat means the long filename extension
02.03.27 #       <Mikachu> hooray
02.03.28 #       <sharpe> but it's just an inference.
02.03.45 #       <chi> so as a lable in fdisk win95fat32 is not the same as dosfstools mkfs.vfat?
02.03.46 #       <Mikachu> so you can have long filenames on fat16 if you want
02.03.54 #       <amiconn> vfat can be used with either fat format
02.03.57 #       <sharpe> you know what'd be a redundant filesystem? a virtual filesystem stored on disk.
02.04.03 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: Yes, that's even pretty common
02.04.05 #       <Mikachu> but rockbox doesn't like fat16
02.04.12 #       <Mikachu> i have found that out empirically :)
02.04.26 #       <amiconn> floppy disks are practically always fat12, and most flash cards are fat16
02.04.32 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: That's incorrect
02.04.43 #       <chi> Mikachu, thats exactly what im trying to do ha
02.04.51 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: it wouldn't find the free sector to save config in, so it crapped out a bit
02.04.55 #       <Mikachu> the filesystem bit works fine
02.04.55 #       <amiconn> Rockbox does support fat16, it's just not enabled for all targets
02.04.58 #       <preglow> so fat32 without vfat is possible?
02.05.12 #       <amiconn> We need to support fat16 on Ondio
02.05.19 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes
02.05.23 #       <preglow> aight
02.05.55 #       <chi> i would use this "mkfs.vfat" to make a fat32 file system tho?
02.06.09 #       <amiconn> In fact it has onlyvery little to do with the file system itself, so a non-vfat aware application can read and write a partition containing vfat filenames
02.06.23 #       <preglow> well, yeah, but it'd look like crap
02.06.35 #       <Mikachu> chi: you have to say -F 32
02.06.35 #       <preglow> amiconn: doesn't vfat split file names into several 8.3 file names?
02.06.41 #       <amiconn> It would only see the shortnames, that's what they are for
02.06.48 #       <chi> oh ok thanks Mikachu ;]
02.06.53 #       <goffa> yay.. mpcs play through again
02.07.12 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, but all the extended entries are invisible in a non-vfat system
02.07.24 #       <amiconn> That's achieved by a special attribute combination
02.07.51 #       <preglow> yeah
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02.08.14 #       <amiconn> With vfat, every file can have 2 names, the 8.3 name (mandatory) and the longname
02.09.00 #       <amiconn> The longnames would even stay intact if a non-vfat system writes to the disk
02.10.24 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: It's very simple to enable fat16 support for other targets
02.11.03 #       <amiconn> Just add  #define HAVE_FAT16SUPPORT   to the appropriate config-*.h file
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02.14.53 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: it would find the config sector then?
02.15.17 #       <amiconn> Hmm, finding the config sector is independent of file system support
02.15.24 #       <Mikachu> that's the only thing that didn't work
02.15.34 #       <Mikachu> and it would pop up a splash lasting 2 seconds every attempt or so
02.15.45 #       <amiconn> What did you do?
02.15.59 #       <Mikachu> accidentally formatted without -F 32 and installed as usual
02.16.34 #       <amiconn> If that really would have been fat16, rockbox wouldn't have booted
02.17.19 #       <amiconn> The most likely cause for the "partition?" splash is that the disk was accidentally formatted in superfloppy mode, i.e. without a partition table
02.17.41 #       <Mikachu> i don't think it said partition?, i got something like can't find config sector
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02.19.34 #       <Mikachu> but i don't particularly want to use fat16
02.19.42 #       <chi> is there an MBR on a nano? i just made a small bootalbe partition
02.20.04 #       <chi>    Device Boot      Start         End      Blocks   Id  System
02.20.04 #       <chi> /dev/sdc1   *           1          41       80042    b  W95 FAT32
02.20.04 #       <chi> /dev/sdc2              42        1023     1917846    b  W95 FAT32
02.20.16 #       <Mikachu> um
02.20.20 #       <chi> looks right to me heh?
02.20.30 #       <amiconn> no
02.20.31 #       <Mikachu> what did you do to your old sdc1?
02.20.44 #       <amiconn> Your firmware partition is gone
02.20.45 #       <Mikachu> you sort of removed the rockbox bootloader
02.20.49 #       <chi> Mikachu, before i heard of rockbox i had accidently formated my nano =\
02.21.10 #       <Mikachu> you want an Empty partition from block 1 to 10
02.21.12 #       <Mikachu> then a fat32
02.21.27 #       <preglow> no worries
02.21.31 #       <preglow> just restore it
02.21.37 #       <chi> and i can use dd right?
02.21.47 #       <Mikachu> you have to create some proper partitions before the ipod restorer will detect it
02.21.48 #       <amiconn> Apple's choice of partition type 0 certainly wasn't the best
02.21.50 #       <chi> to blank the first 10 blocks
02.22.03 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: will rockbox find the fat partition if i set the type to fat hidden?
02.22.19 #       <Mikachu> chi: they're not going to be blank
02.22.30 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: Rockbox doesn't care about the partition type, you could set it to anything
02.22.36 #       <amiconn> (just avoid type 5)
02.22.45 #       <Mikachu> maybe apple's os wouldn't like it though...
02.22.46 #       <preglow> which is?
02.22.48 #       <Mikachu> i'll just try
02.22.53 #       <Hotfusion> well after listening to some 38 special on the iaudio I'd say im impressed. Don't like it that I have to it pause then left to stop play. Headphones hurt a little but great sound
02.23.03 #       <Mikachu> preglow: extended
02.23.12 #       <amiconn> It just tries to mount every non-zero-type partition as fat32, except type 5
02.23.18 #       <preglow> Hotfusion: pause then left to stop play???
02.23.22 #       <amiconn> preglow: Type 5 is 'extended partition'
02.23.43 #       <Hotfusion> I'll add on the rockbox firmware probably tomorrow sometime
02.24.24 #       * preglow hugs his h120
02.24.29 #       <preglow> best mp3 player i'll ever have
02.24.38 #       <muesliiiii> true
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02.24.56 #       <muesliiiii> my h320 isnt a real competitor
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02.25.01 #       <preeeeeglow> hell no
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02.25.14 #       <preeeeeglow> i didn't want to gamble on freenode accepting too long nicks :P
02.25.31 #       <muesliiiii> i broke with my h120 long time ago
02.25.36 #       <Mikachu> it seems to work fine with hidden
02.25.37 #       * amiconn prefers the H340 over the H140
02.25.39 #       <dpassen1> my 120 is still going strong
02.25.48 #       <preeeeeglow> muesliiiii: how? sounds like a painful process
02.25.50 #       <muesliiiii> regret it *sniff*
02.25.52 #       <preeeeeglow> amiconn: why?
02.26.10 #       <Mikachu> but for some reason retail os asks me for language everytime i start it now
02.26.11 #       <muesliiiii> i was horny for the color lcd *shame*
02.26.13 #       <chi> do i need a bootable flag anywhere?
02.26.14 #       <Hotfusion> *goes to read manual
02.26.17 #       <preeeeeglow> hahaha
02.26.17 #       <amiconn> Way better placement of controls, and better readability
02.26.22 #       * Hotfusion goes to read manual some more
02.26.24 #       <amiconn> (No, I don't mean the colour)
02.26.30 #       <preeeeeglow> amiconn: better readability, actually
02.26.36 #       <preeeeeglow> i wouldn't have expected that
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02.26.46 #       <preglow> heh
02.27.03 #       <amiconn> The backlight of the H1x0 shouldn't be called a 'light'
02.27.04 #       <Mikachu> changing back to unhidden, and it fonud my old settings again
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02.27.18 #       <muesliiiii> much better keys and admirable runtime :o
02.27.28 #       <Mikachu> chi: only if you want to boot a computer with it
02.27.31 #       <preglow> amiconn: i kinda understand what you mean, but i think the h1x0 has nice readability
02.27.43 #       <preglow> but then again, i very seldom actually look at the screen
02.28.02 #       * chi feels foolish
02.28.05 #       <preglow> what i care about is the fact that it's got everything
02.28.11 #       <amiconn> In a bright environment, readability of the H1x0 is better than H300
02.28.23 #       <Mikachu> in sunlight, i can't tell if nano backlight is on or off
02.28.26 #       <amiconn> That's why I usually prefer b/w lcds over colour
02.28.28 #       <preglow> amiconn: if it's anything like my mobile phone, then hell yeah
02.28.41 #       <preglow> i can't fucking read my mobile phone in direct sunlight
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02.29.22 #       <muesliiiii> i miss the joystick :o
02.29.36 #       <preglow> i wouldn't
02.29.40 #       <preglow> it's my least favourite part
02.29.41 #       <amiconn> I like the H300 not having a joystick
02.29.44 #       <preglow> but it doesn't annoy me too much
02.30.03 #       <amiconn> ..and also the butons not scattered all over the various surfaces
02.30.05 #       <goffa> joystick is good for navigation, but i tend to bump it 
02.30.13 #       <preglow> i tend to slip on it
02.30.18 #       <preglow> bloody little prick
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02.30.38 #       <amiconn> The H300 buttons are also less than perfect
02.30.40 #       <goffa> i'm thinking about a 340
02.30.47 #       <muesliiiii> i am using the remote in 99% if all cases but the joystick itself roxxx
02.30.54 #       <preglow> i almost need to sand my fingers before using the h1x0 joystick
02.30.56 #       <goffa> would be good to have in addition to my x5
02.31.10 #       <muesliiiii> goffa dont do that!
02.31.19 #       <muesliiiii> just another brick in the wall!
02.31.37 #       <preglow> muesliiiii: you have iriver or cowon?
02.31.44 #       * amiconn would like the H1x0 technology with H300 buttons & case with a bright, white backlight
02.31.44 #       <muesliiiii> the h320
02.31.47 #       <preglow> riight
02.32.00 #       <muesliiiii> actually an h330 ;)
02.32.03 #       <preglow> i was just wondering what the cowon joystick was as compored to the iriver one
02.32.15 #       <goffa> i want more storage
02.32.19 #       <goffa> that's all i know
02.32.21 #       <preglow> i want more beer
02.32.27 #       <preglow> that's all i know
02.32.28 #       <Mikachu> i want candy o/~
02.32.39 #       <goffa> i'd like to stick an 80gb or so in my x5
02.32.44 #       <goffa> but i wonder about battery
02.32.51 #       <preglow> goffa: give it another couple of years and you'll have it
02.32.52 #       <goffa> 2 players would give more storage and more battery
02.32.53 #       <amiconn> preglow: It's better to operate, but was either made for left-handed people, or people with very short fingers
02.32.59 #       <amiconn> (wrong placement, imho)
02.33.00 #       <preglow> amiconn: i know
02.33.02 #       <goffa> preglow: i want it NOW :P
02.33.02 #       <muesliiiii> preglow x5's joystick is a pain in the ass but not a joystick!
02.33.05 #       <preglow> and i agree
02.33.16 #       <preglow> goffa: then you're out of luck
02.33.24 #       <preglow> muesliiiii: ok, that's a contradiction
02.33.26 #       * goffa is aware
02.33.40 #       <goffa> so 2 players will have to do for now
02.33.52 #       <preglow> yeah, i think two'll do for me as wel
02.33.52 #       <preglow> l
02.33.56 #       <muesliiiii> the x5 is yummy slim but its display suxxx either
02.34.01 #       * preglow punches his enter key
02.34.14 #       <Mikachu> ah, so that's why it doesn't work
02.34.17 #       * amiconn could store 176GB on all his rockboxes (manufacturer GB)
02.34.18 #       <goffa> yeah... to be honest i like my x5
02.34.37 #       <preglow> amiconn: GiB?
02.34.41 #       <Mikachu> not GiB
02.34.45 #       <preglow> right
02.34.48 #       <preglow> gB
02.34.49 #       <preglow> i forget
02.35.00 #       <Mikachu> surely it's a capital G?
02.35.05 #       <preglow> is it, though?
02.35.11 #       <Mikachu> not sure, those french are crazy
02.35.12 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: yep
02.35.14 #       <goffa> yeah its GB or Gb
02.35.21 #       <preglow> nah, b is for bit, B is for byte
02.35.24 #       <Mikachu> goffa: that's not what we're talking about
02.35.46 #       <muesliiiii> i could kick iriver for not building in h3xx lcd in h1xx chasis
02.35.47 #       <Mikachu> Gi ~ 1024, G ~ 1000
02.35.53 #       <preglow> Mikachu: crazy isn't the right word, i would have used "crackpots"
02.35.53 #       <goffa> ah
02.36.10 #       <Mikachu> heh
02.36.36 #       <preglow> muesliiiii: the other way around and we're talking
02.36.44 #       <Mikachu> the problem is nobody uses Gi, so G can still mean either
02.36.51 #       <goffa> yeah
02.36.55 #       <preglow> muesliiiii: plus stuff the spdif's in and a more reasonble clock selction interface on the coldfire, and it'd be bloody ultimate
02.37.01 #       <goffa> depends on if you're buying or selling
02.37.01 #       <chi> everytime i do dd if=rockboot.bin of=/dev/sdc it recks my partition table
02.37.18 #       <Mikachu> chi: no shit
02.37.20 #       <muesliiiii> preglow true
02.37.22 #       <chi> =\
02.37.29 #       <Mikachu> chi: you want to write it to /dev/sdc______1______
02.37.35 #       <preglow> i don't expect to see anything cooler than my h120 come by for a long while
02.37.36 #       <amiconn> chi: of=/dev/sd1  not /dev/sdc
02.37.47 #       <Mikachu> sdc is your whole device, _including_ the partition table
02.37.49 #       <chi> i see
02.38.02 #       * chi learns something new
02.38.05 #       <muesliiiii> i guess i will downgrade again
02.38.28 #       <Mikachu> chi: sorry if that came out rude :)
02.38.39 #       <chi> sall good ;]
02.38.44 #       <muesliiiii> but wouldnt to buy an ipod
02.38.58 #       <muesliiiii> but i have to kick that shitty touch wheel first
02.39.16 #       <muesliiiii> mind
02.39.23 #       <goffa> buying an ipod would make me feel dirty
02.39.31 #       <scorche> amiconn: my fingers hurt =(
02.39.48 #       <goffa> although 60gb would be nice too
02.39.55 #       <muesliiiii> they have to improve audio quality first. unless its not a real choice
02.40.08 #       <scorche> amiconn: i wasted like 2 hours playing bubbles on my archos...
02.40.10 #       <chi> amiconn, /dev/sd1 <- that wont write to my other scsis' ?
02.40.19 #       <goffa> just assumed audio quality was poor due to itunes
02.40.21 #       <amiconn> scorche: hehe.
02.40.28 #       <goffa> didn't realize that was an issue
02.40.30 #       <Mikachu> chi: he meant sdc1, like i said
02.40.33 #       <amiconn> chi: sry typo :/
02.40.33 #       <muesliiiii> goffa just take an h340 or h340 and built in toshibas 60gb drive
02.40.40 #       <goffa> yeah
02.40.44 #       <goffa> muesliiiii: that was the plan
02.40.46 #       <muesliiiii> h14ß
02.41.18 #       <chi> oh i see so the larger partiotion should be sdc2?
02.41.21 #       <amiconn> muesliiiii: My impression is that the WM8xxx codecs used in the ipods deliver better quality than the UDA1380 in the irivers
02.41.29 #       <goffa> i've been pretty satisfied with my x5 as far as sound goes
02.41.29 #       <Mikachu> chi: yes
02.41.31 #       <preglow> not mine
02.41.40 #       <muesliiiii> but im pretty sure toshiba will release a 40 60gb single platter sometime
02.41.42 #       <preglow> the software eq in my nano is shite
02.41.50 #       <preglow> ehh
02.41.53 #       <Mikachu> didn't you write that?
02.41.54 #       <preglow> hardware :-D
02.41.54 #       <Mikachu> :P
02.42.03 #       <preglow> i blame it on the beer
02.42.08 #       <goffa> there's supposed to be an mk8007gah coming out sometime soon
02.42.12 #       <muesliiiii> amiconn never listened to an ipod but people who did werent pleased :-/
02.42.13 #       <amiconn> preglow: The WM8711 doesn't have any tone controls :/
02.42.17 #       <preglow> it's not the fact that i'm insane, no, siree
02.42.23 #       <preglow> amiconn: none at all?
02.42.24 #       <Mikachu> certainly not
02.42.31 #       <amiconn> muesliiiii: I actually did. I *have* one
02.42.41 #       <goffa> heh... now if i could get an 80gb flash player ;)
02.42.42 #       <amiconn> preglow: yups
02.42.47 #       <preglow> amiconn: weird
02.42.59 #       <preglow> amiconn: btw, wasn't that so for x5 as well?
02.43.00 #       <muesliiiii> time to lose some i's
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02.43.14 #       <amiconn> preglow: Yes, afaik
02.43.18 #       <preglow> i remember contemplating writing a software treble/bass boost for it
02.43.25 #       <amiconn> TLV0320-something
02.44.02 #       <amiconn> Btw, the ipl people aren't 100% correct about the mini2g audiocodec
02.44.04 #       <preglow> that is, i've already done it, it was more whether there was any point in using it
02.44.10 #       <preglow> amiconn: no surprise there
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02.44.46 #       <amiconn> The driver is WM8731 for the whole family, which also means 8721 and 8711
02.45.00 #       <muesli-> but im pretty happy that u fantastic guys keep on porting on other players. would be a mess if theres no rockbox future on further targets
02.45.20 #       <amiconn> ipl code says mini and mini2g have 8731 with recording disconnected, so they set the id to 8721
02.45.30 #       <goffa> rockbox HAS to port to other players in order to survive
02.45.32 #       <scorche> speaking of ipl...is having them as a see also link on the rockbox wikipedia page really neccssary?
02.45.34 #       <amiconn> My mini2g has a 8711 though
02.45.38 #       <goffa> in 3 years everything will be obsolete anyway
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02.45.51 #       <goffa> and out of warranty and hard to find
02.46.10 #       <preglow> hahah
02.46.29 #       <preglow> if you ask me, much of the point in rockbox is that you don't need to buy new hardware all the time
02.46.43 #       <preglow> especially now that we've got swcodec platforms, we can do pretty much everything we want
02.46.47 #       <goffa> true.. but finding old hardware can prove tricky
02.46.50 #       <preglow> no need to buy new players anymore
02.46.54 #       <preglow> goffa: not with ipods
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02.47.02 #       <preglow> goffa: everyone's got an old one they don't need
02.47.08 #       <Mikachu> in two years streets will be littered with old ipods
02.47.12 #       <goffa> yeah
02.47.27 #       <goffa> like i said... owning an ipod would make me feel dirty :)
02.47.34 #       <preglow> a lot of the ipods can take quite a beating
02.47.42 #       <preglow> i think the nanos will survive for quite a while
02.48.00 #       <preglow> when we start utilising the second core, it'll be a very powerful platform
02.48.10 #       <Mikachu> does ipl know how to do that?
02.48.13 #       <preglow> yea
02.48.14 #       <preglow> so do we
02.48.17 #       <chi> hrm still doesnt work =/   i dont realy create the sdc1 partitionn tho right just sdc2 starting at block 11??
02.48.22 #       <preglow> it isn't hard
02.48.28 #       <webguest77> preglow, I coated/painted my H140's joystick with black nail varnish, works a treat, great finish and provides grip, can also build up the dimple if so desired
02.48.29 #       <preglow> it's just that adapting rockbox will be a bit hard
02.48.36 #       <muesli-> im dreaming of an flash-based 40gb drive :o
02.48.41 #       <preglow> webguest77: yeah, i've heard of that
02.48.43 #       <Mikachu> at least you already have threads
02.48.51 #       <goffa> muesli-: me too, me too
02.48.52 #       <preglow> Mikachu: doesn't help
02.49.24 #       <preglow> Mikachu: we pretty much need to decide which threads should be run on which core, then make sure the threads on the different core doesn't talk too much among themselves
02.49.30 #       <muesli-> runtime would be wonderful..
02.49.32 #       <amiconn> I wonder whether we should use the second core at all
02.49.56 #       <goffa> flac would be an option too muesli-... i'd go broke because i'd have like 5 of them 
02.50.17 #       <amiconn> Well, perhaps except for video, if someone feels the desire to implement that
02.50.23 #       <goffa> and it would take up less space than a 20 cd holder
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02.50.36 #       <muesli-> imho flac is waste of memory. highly encoded mps do it as well
02.50.36 #       <preglow> amiconn: i think we should, but not yet
02.50.42 #       <muesli-> mp3
02.50.58 #       <goffa> and with my er4s or e5c's it'd be lite to boot
02.51.02 #       <preglow> running on one core is a great reason to optimise more
02.51.04 #       <preglow> and we need that
02.51.18 #       <amiconn> yes
02.51.20 #       <goffa> yeah atm i use ogg and mpc on the portable
02.51.37 #       <preglow> and in the case of ipods, not only codecs need optimising
02.51.39 #       <preglow> the core does too
02.51.41 #       <amiconn> But when it's optimised enough, we don't need the second core at all
02.51.50 #       <chi> maybe the problem is my bootpartition.bin i think i got from kapheine. since i didnt have my own to start with after formating it heh
02.51.52 #       <preglow> sure, and if that's where we end up, then hooray
02.52.18 #       <preglow> i think the whole strategy with two cores was a bit of a cheat by portalplayer anyway
02.52.19 #       <muesli-> what is the sake for the 2nd core at all? ->video?
02.52.29 #       <amiconn> Imho one of the big problems is the inability to change timings for many hardware components
02.52.40 #       <preglow> amiconn: how?
02.53.09 #       <amiconn> how??
02.53.36 #       <amiconn> The lcd updates on the greyscale ipods are slow, but not because of the amount of data to move
02.53.36 #       * goffa realizes he is in doors
02.53.43 #       <goffa> time to hop on the bike
02.53.45 #       <preglow> ahh, right
02.54.02 #       <Mikachu> aren't they slow on color ipods too?
02.54.09 #       <preglow> but that's pretty much because we don't know how, not because we can't
02.54.56 #       <amiconn> That's the same for me, here. We have no docs...
02.55.18 #       * preglow kicks portalplayer
02.55.23 #       <preglow> bloody fools
02.55.34 #       * amiconn joins in kicking portalplayer
02.55.35 #       <preglow> i hope they go bankrupt
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02.56.04 #       <Mikachu> selling 500 million chips is probably not a good way to go bankrupt
02.56.20 #       <preglow> Mikachu: their future might not be that bright, though
02.56.21 #       <muesli-> what is portalplayer?
02.56.37 #       <preglow> muesli-: the people who make the main chip in the ipods
02.56.45 #       <muesli-> mk
02.56.52 #       <chi> maybe someone could take a peek and let me know if that looks ok? http://pastebin.com/682137
02.57.15 #       <preglow> hell no
02.57.19 #       <preglow> you're lacking the boot partition
02.57.30 #       <chi> =\
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02.57.45 #       <preglow> and you wrote to a partition that doesn't exist
02.57.48 #       <Mikachu> chi: i told you, you want an Empty partition between block 1 to 10
02.58.01 #       <Mikachu> you probably just copied the file to /dev
02.58.07 #       <preglow> hahahah
02.58.10 #       <chi> by empty you mean ? no system id?
02.58.19 #       <Mikachu> chi: there is an id called Empty
02.58.26 #       <chi> ha
02.58.26 #       <Mikachu> most likely number 0
02.58.40 #       <preglow> Mikachu: where you the one who did the kirby dance, btw?
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02.59.01 #       * Mikachu does the kirby dance <('')> <("<) (>"<) (>")> <('')>  
02.59.09 #       * preglow does the copy to a text file
02.59.11 #       <Mikachu> i have stolen it from someone though
02.59.18 #       <Mikachu> there is also
02.59.20 #       * Mikachu does the kirby dance <(o.o^) (^o.o^) (^o.o)> (>o.o)> (vo.o)> (vo.ov) <(o.ov) <(o.o<)
02.59.23 #       * Mikachu does the kirby dance <('.'^) (^'.'^) (^'.')> (>'.')> (v'.')> (v'.'v) <('.'v) <('.'<)
02.59.28 #       <preglow> aahahhaha
02.59.31 #       <preglow> priceless
02.59.32 #       <Mikachu> but i like the first one best
02.59.43 #       <preglow> me too
02.59.51 #       <preglow> thought the fact that there exists more tickles me
02.59.58 #       <preglow> someone out there is more clever than me!
03.00.09 #       <chi> does sdc1 need to be fat32 also?
03.00.15 #       <Mikachu> ???
03.00.18 #       <Mikachu> it should be Empty
03.00.22 #       <chi> sorry for asking so many uestions 
03.00.27 #       <Mikachu> type 0
03.00.32 #       <chi> k
03.00.33 #       <Mikachu> then you write rockboot.bin there
03.00.36 #       <Mikachu> done
03.01.02 #       <preglow> questions are allowed
03.01.12 #       <preglow> though you should just try to make it all one fat32 partition, then restore it
03.01.28 #       <preglow> on the accounts of it being foolproof
03.01.31 #       <preglow> (tm)
03.02.12 #       <Mikachu> this works too, if he has the mbr and apple_os.bin backups
03.02.26 #       <Mikachu> not sure how picky it is about the mbr
03.03.27 #       <preglow> me neither
03.06.06 #       <chi> success!
03.06.15 #       <chi> thank you guys for putting up with me
03.06.16 #       <preglow> at last1
03.06.20 #       <chi> hehe
03.06.29 #       <preglow> a small donation will show your apprecation more properly!"
03.06.35 #       <preglow> <--- asshole
03.06.37 #       <chi> lol
03.07.14 #       <Hotfusion> just plain wrong o_O O_o
03.07.19 #       <preglow> and sad
03.08.28 #       <preglow> anywho
03.08.34 #       <preglow> time to say moo
03.08.40 #       <Mikachu> moOOOooooOOOoooOOOoooOOOoooOOOooooOOoooOOooooOOOo
03.08.48 #       <preglow> moOOOOOOO00000000000OOOOoooooo
03.08.53 #       <chi> m0o?
03.08.57 #       <preglow> mo...
03.09.49 #       <Hotfusion> meow
03.09.54 #       <preglow> wrong animal
03.10.00 #       <Hotfusion> O.O
03.10.03 #       <scorche> NRRRRRRRRGGGGG
03.10.16 #       <Hotfusion> RRRRAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWRRRRRR
03.10.22 #       <preglow> correct animals, but wrong time of day
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03.10.31 #       <scorche> FapFapFapFapFapFap
03.10.34 #       <scorche> errrrr...
03.10.41 #       <preglow> wrong... whatever...
03.11.13 #       <preglow> i expect an answer to what that was supposed to be, btw :P
03.11.15 #       <Mikachu> i hope that is a milking noise
03.11.34 #       <scorche> uhhh...yes....MILK!
03.11.50 #       <Hotfusion> he's still thinking about his asshole
03.12.05 #       <preglow> i didn't  notice
03.13.09 #       * Hotfusion imagines tumbleweed rolling by
03.13.27 #       <preglow> hahahah
03.13.31 #       <scorche> fapfapfapfapfapfapfapfap
03.13.44 #       <preglow> w00tw00tw00tw00tw00tw00t
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03.14.04 #       <Hotfusion> :bananna: :bannana: :bananna: :bananna:
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03.14.15 #       <scorche> BANANAPHONE!!1
03.15.04 #       <preglow> okiedoke
03.15.04 #       <preglow> moo!
03.15.06 #       <preglow> night
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03.21.28 #       <Hotfusion> hey jhauman from a residential hall at centarl michigan?
03.21.33 #       <Hotfusion> central*
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03.30.32 #       <sharpe> woo storms.
03.31.31 #       <scorche> <3 UPSs
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03.55.53 #       <scorche> if im outputting on digital or optical outputs of audio the quality of the card makes no difference right  for audio quality only the dac of the speaker subsystem or whatever right?
03.56.15 #       <Mikachu> that sounds like a reasonable assumption
03.57.03 #       <quirck> you need to prewarm the digital cables to ambient temperature to minimize jitter... ;)
03.57.19 #       <Mikachu> there are people who would tell you it matters which way you plug in the cable
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03.57.27 #       <Mikachu> electron alignment and stuff
03.58.50 #       <scorche> quirck: cool, ill just pour some coffee that my cd cupholder is holding on it
03.59.21 #       * Mikachu juggles som shakti stones and pours yoghurt on quirck
03.59.44 #       <scorche> would it be better to  have a good sound card and output analogue to each one straight off the card, or actually get a speaker set and hope the conversion is as good as the speakers whatever quality that may be
04.00.58 #       <quirck> dedicated dac is always the preferred way to go...
04.01.31 #       <quirck> especially since major rockbox platforms archos and ihp1x0 have digital outs...
04.02.32 #       <scorche> what exactly constitutes dedicated? a receiver?
04.03.41 #       <quirck> just a dac, digital in, line-level out, no builtin amp..
04.04.06 #       <Mikachu> isn't having the least amount of cabling carrying analogue signals preferred?
04.04.27 #       <Mikachu> unless you live in a faraday cage
04.04.47 #       <quirck> or use shielded cables
04.06.22 #       <scorche> so a sound card is considered dedicated?
04.07.23 #       <quirck> soundcard with digital out is a transport, soundcard's builtin dacs tend to be crappy...
04.07.57 #       <Hotfusion> it would he hard to distinguish the sound if you had nice speakers. I mean I have Klipsch Pro Media 4.1 for going on 4 years now. Sound as good the day I got them and sound the same on my onboard vs my audigy 2 card.
04.08.00 #       <Mikachu> i guess those 1000$ soundcards have pretty good ones
04.08.15 #       <Hotfusion> usually professional yea
04.11.23 #       <quirck> it would be harder to distinguish the sound with poor speakers, the better the speakers or headphones, the more revealing they are for upstream limitations...
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04.22.58 #       <JdGordon> bloody WGA... time to switch to linux...
04.23.21 #       <Inc> so should I use ipodlinux
04.23.27 #       <Inc> or should I use rockbox
04.23.28 #       <Inc> ?
04.23.34 #       <JdGordon> rb of course..
04.23.35 #       <Inc> I don't want to damage my ipod.....
04.24.13 #       <lostlogic> asdf;ljkasd;flkjasf ROCKBOX DON'T BREAK IPODS (neither does ipl, but rockbox is just better)
04.24.30 #       <Inc> I want it to play video games.
04.24.38 #       <lostlogic> rockbox FTW
04.24.48 #       <Inc> ftw?
04.24.51 #       <lostlogic> what games does IPL have any way?
04.24.53 #       <quirck> there is always wgaworkaround.ie.user.js but linux is definitely the way to go...
04.24.54 #       <lostlogic> for the win
04.25.02 #       <Inc> I see.
04.25.09 #       <Inc> ipodlinux has half life
04.25.13 #       <Inc> I like half life :)
04.25.17 #       <lostlogic> no it doesn't.
04.25.24 #       <Inc> yeah it does.
04.25.24 #       <lostlogic> it has doom with a halflife level.
04.25.24 #       <scorche> ipl has the wads
04.25.29 #       <lostlogic> rockbox also has doom
04.25.38 #       <Inc> with a half life level?
04.25.40 #       <lostlogic> does our doom run those wads as well?
04.25.40 #       <Inc> and wads?
04.25.52 #       <lostlogic> I am in a very mean mood, so I am going to stop speaking.
04.25.57 #       <Inc> I have the 5g.
04.26.07 #       <scorche> last i heard, someone was working on getting some other wads to work
04.26.09 #       <Inc> lostlogic, hahah I can bite don't worry.
04.26.20 #       <Inc> scorche, so ipl has more support for wads?
04.26.36 #       <scorche> i wouldnt saythat
04.26.37 #       <Inc> if you download iDoom, you can have doom, quake and other games on it.
04.26.50 #       <scorche> you can have the same games with rockbox
04.27.08 #       <Inc> I see.
04.27.19 #       <Inc> so for gaming I'd have the same support with rockbox?
04.27.25 #       <Inc> I also like the boot menu.......
04.27.33 #       <Inc> because I like to boot um
04.27.38 #       <Inc> apple firmware first
04.27.43 #       * scorche wishes he could remember who it was that was talking about the wads earlier
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04.28.04 #       <scorche> to the logs!
04.28.09 #       <Inc> who has more support for the 5g?
04.29.02 #       <lostlogic> us, afaik
04.29.13 #       <Inc> I see.
04.29.39 #       <scorche> ah...found it
04.29.49 #       <Inc> what about it?
04.30.04 #       <Inc> ok I guess I just need help setting ipod firmware to default
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04.30.09 #       <scorche> sererokr, and kkurbjun were apparently talking about it
04.30.13 #       <Inc> so I can just hit menu for 5 seconds to boot into rockbox
04.30.40 #       <scorche> sererockr was saying he was working on the wads to make em work
04.30.45 #       <scorche> -c
04.30.50 #       <lostlogic> Inc: when you install rockbox, it boots up by default
04.30.53 #       <lostlogic> hold menu to boot apple OS
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04.31.37 #       <Inc> yes but I want apple to boot default
04.31.39 #       <Hotfusion> hmm default iaudio speakers clip at volume 20 (non-rockbox firm)
04.32.59 #       <lostlogic> Inc: you'd hafta build your own rockbox bootloader with that setting changed.
04.33.18 #       <Inc> someone had a patch somewhere I think I have it but don't know how to patch it
04.33.18 #       <Shadowarrior13> Is anyone in the ipl room TODAY?
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04.33.26 #       <Inc> never is
04.33.36 #       <Shadowarrior13> I need someone to ask why I'm banned :P
04.33.45 #       <Inc> any support for python?
04.34.11 #       <lostlogic> ... python... wtf?
04.34.15 #       <scorche> Inc: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom
04.34.33 #       <scorche> lostlogic: <3 python....no bashing
04.34.50 #       <lostlogic> I got nothing against python
04.34.58 #       <lostlogic> but ... why asking in here about it...
04.35.08 #       <Inc> because
04.35.14 #       <Inc> i want to run python code on my ipod :)
04.35.16 #       <scorche> Inc: note that sererokr is working on making more wads compatible....star wars is posted on there atm
04.35.20 #       <Inc> and ipl has that capability
04.35.30 #       <Inc> star wars is on what?
04.35.37 #       <Inc> where?
04.35.40 #       <Dyne> Is rockbox able to charge the iPod Nano? I plug my wall adaptor in and it just endlessly reboots
04.35.40 #       <Inc> hell I'd install it for that.
04.35.50 #       <scorche> Inc: go to the link i posted above
04.36.22 #       <Shadowarrior13> You all fail.
04.36.25 #       <Galois> nano charging works fine via USB. Other people also have problems with wall adapters.
04.36.31 #       <lostlogic> Inc: no, rockbox is an audio player firmware, there is no reason to run python on it, nor is there a version of python written to run without libc (whcih rockbox does not have)
04.36.43 #       <Galois> I have no wall adapter, so I have no firsthand experience
04.37.04 #       <Inc> nice @ the rockbox
04.37.11 #       <scorche> Inc: what would you want to run on your ipod with python?
04.37.22 #       <Inc> IF I code a game or something
04.37.25 #       <Dyne> Galois: Yeah, I'm going on vacation sans laptop and was just wondering about the wall adapter...Guess I'll just reboot into AppleOS then
04.37.37 #       <Inc> well one more thing  um...... can I add wads later on?
04.37.46 #       <Inc> and to patch shiz do I need to patch it now or later?
04.37.53 #       <scorche> Inc: read the link i posted above...
04.38.03 #       <Inc> ugh.
04.38.08 #       <lostlogic> Inc: rockbox is all coded in C, so you could code a plugin game in C if you wanted to.
04.39.04 #       <Inc> oh so it can be done later?
04.39.16 #       <Inc> the um wads
04.39.18 #       <scorche> Inc: there is also a tracker link below the table of contents there....read the comments if you are interested
04.39.30 #       <Inc> ok
04.39.39 #       <lostlogic> Inc: anything can be done later, it's not liek once you install rockbox you can't just upgrade at any time by copynig over a new version.
04.39.46 #       <Inc> yeah.
04.39.51 #       <Inc> well one problem. 
04.39.58 #       <Inc> I have some code to boot apple default
04.39.59 #       <Inc> but
04.40.09 #       <scorche> "some code"?
04.40.10 #       <Inc> how do I patch it into the install or can that be done later?
04.40.14 #       <Inc> yes
04.41.02 #       <lostlogic> Inc: you would need to download the rockbox source, apply the patch, build a cross compiler toolchain for arm, build rockbox and install it
04.41.22 #       <Inc> oooof I think I'll do that later.
04.41.24 #       <lostlogic> if you do not understand what I just said, read the CrossCompilers page and uhh whatever else is about building rockbox on our wiki, and possibly about compiling C programs in general.
04.41.30 #       <Inc> I'm to lazy to do compiling tonight
04.41.49 #       <Inc> thanks for your help though
04.41.53 #       <Inc> time to attempt the install
04.44.23 #       <scorche> Inc: the wiki is your best friend....if you go to the documentation index in it, there is a section "For Developers" that has plenty of information
04.44.31 #       <Inc> :)
04.46.50 #       <Inc> now that I have everything done
04.46.58 #       <Inc> I just unzip rockbox to my root directory?
04.47.02 #       <Inc> this seems to easy....
04.47.21 #       <lostlogic> Inc: you already ripped, patched, and replaced the ipod firmware file?
04.47.22 #       <Hotfusion> yes but before you proceed, you must donate all devs
04.47.42 #       <Inc> lostlogic, yup I used the installer
04.47.49 #       <lostlogic> we have one of those?
04.47.51 #       <lostlogic> hmph.
04.48.04 #       <lostlogic> in that case, yes, you just unzip rockbox.
04.48.19 #       <Inc> ok
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04.51.56 #       <Inc> lol....
04.51.57 #       <Inc> problem
04.52.14 #       <lostlogic> ?
04.52.34 #       <Inc> it ereased my defualt firmware stuff (which is fine)
04.52.38 #       <Inc> but I can't get into rockbox lol
04.52.47 #       <Inc> I hold down the menu key and all
04.52.50 #       <lostlogic> no
04.52.56 #       <lostlogic> _don't_ hold down the menu key
04.52.59 #       <lostlogic> I said that already
04.53.02 #       <Inc> I try to turn it off. too.
04.53.05 #       <Inc> what did you say?
04.53.15 #       <lostlogic> to go into rockbox, you boot up without holding menu.
04.53.22 #       <lostlogic> to go into apple, you boot up holding menu
04.53.25 #       <scorche> Inc: holding the menu key boots you into the ipod firmware
04.53.36 #       <Inc> well I hold down the play / pause button.
04.53.41 #       <Inc> to turn it off
04.53.44 #       <Inc> and then it it again
04.53.50 #       <lostlogic> it what?
04.53.51 #       <Inc> and it just boots into default firmware
04.53.59 #       <Inc> it's like it never turns off.
04.54.07 #       <lostlogic> does the rockbox bootloader show up (white background and black text?)
04.54.29 #       <lostlogic> holding play doesn't actually reboot the player, just hibernates it any way
04.54.29 #       <Inc> eh no it just shows a black background with white apple
04.54.35 #       <lostlogic> you must actually reboot the player
04.54.42 #       <Inc> ok then how do you turn it off to actually reboot?
04.54.45 #       <lostlogic> try holding menu and select to do a full reboot
04.54.56 #       <lostlogic> see if the rockbox boot loader shows up, if not, then you didn't correctly patch the firmware
04.55.44 #       <Inc> is it supposed to be booting the apple sign?
04.55.49 #       <Inc> nope nothin.
04.55.54 #       <Inc> this is odd.....
04.55.55 #       <lostlogic> it will do that first, then rockbox bootloader, then rockbox
04.56.14 #       <Inc> clear
04.56.18 #       <Inc> nope
04.56.23 #       <Inc> it brings up apple firmware.
04.56.33 #       <lostlogic> then you need to review the installation instructions and make sure you actually patch the firmware
04.56.41 #       <lostlogic> as I said, I've not heard of nor used this installer doohicker
04.56.55 #       <Inc> http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=8585
04.56.58 #       <Inc> installer
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04.57.30 #       <lostlogic> is that a rockbox.org site?  Then don't expect us to know how it works, nor why you have problems with it.
04.58.15 #       <Inc> heh. ok so you suggest I do it just by myself?
04.58.56 #       <lostlogic> yes, I suggest that you read through the instructions on our wiki and follow them... you might even learn a little bit of something if you apply your brain to it.
04.59.15 #       * scorche hugs lostlogic
04.59.23 #       * lostlogic hugs scorche 
04.59.40 #       <lostlogic> *sigh* I'm _so_ not a tech support oriented person
04.59.41 #       <scorche> it sounded like you needed a hug
04.59.41 #       <Inc> yes. But I'm so busy otherstuff. I guess hahaha. oh welll
04.59.46 #       <lostlogic> where's paul when we need him
04.59.50 #       <scorche> lol
04.59.53 #       <scorche> how true
05.00.24 #       <lostlogic> Inc: your patience is underwhelming.
05.00.52 #       <Inc> lostlogic, :)
05.01.08 #       <Inc> yes I do know that well I reunzipped to the root directory I shall give it another go I guess
05.01.22 #       <lostlogic> Inc: just unzipping rockbox does not install the boot loader.
05.01.31 #       <lostlogic> Inc: if you aren't seeing the bootloader, no amount of reunzipping will install rockbox.
05.01.43 #       <Inc> I know that. I already ran the installer :)
05.01.50 #       <Inc> the bootloader should be where?
05.01.54 #       * scorche sighs
05.01.59 #       <lostlogic> but you said the bootloader wasn't appearing during bootup, so it did not work
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05.02.05 #       <lostlogic> so you need to follow the instructions on our wiki and install the bootloader
05.02.09 #       <Inc> I see.
05.02.10 #       <Inc> haha
05.02.14 #       <Inc> will do ;)
05.02.15 #       <lostlogic> which I've already said.
05.02.34 #       <lostlogic> so scorche how are you this evening?
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05.03.07 #       <scorche> hungry
05.03.48 #       <lostlogic> mm... good point... I missed dinner... oh well, too late to care.
05.03.57 #       <Inc> oh this doesn't look good
05.04.04 #       <scorche> Inc: ?
05.04.09 #       <Inc> it shows apple.com/support/ipod
05.04.23 #       <Inc> I probably toasted the firmware
05.04.42 #       <Inc> any idea?
05.05.00 #       <scorche> Inc: did you read the disclaimer on the site you linked to us? =P
05.05.16 #       <Hotfusion> those damn disclaimers
05.05.17 #       <Hotfusion> lol
05.05.36 #       <Inc> scorche, yeah I realized that now it's time probsably to restore the firmware right?
05.06.14 #       <scorche> well, like it says....it is an unofficial installer....use at your own risk....but they need to include something about dont go to rockbox asking for help +P
05.06.53 #       <scorche> Inc: bug lostlogic for help.....he needs more experience +P
05.07.01 #       * scorche braces for impact
05.07.25 #       <Inc> heh
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05.08.06 #       <scorche> Inc: in truth, i do not know as much as i would like.....my only personal experience with rockbox is on the archos units
05.08.15 #       <Inc> I see.
05.08.20 #       * Inc pokes lostlogic 
05.08.27 #       <scorche> i know some about the ipod side of it, but not near what others do
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05.08.33 #       * Inc stresses
05.09.02 #       <scorche> Inc: and having patience makes us more willing to help you =)
05.09.57 #       <Inc> yeah I know.
05.10.07 #       <lostlogic> Inc: recommend restoring apple firmware with the apple firmware restore utility, and then starting again from scratch.
05.10.22 #       <Inc> ok
05.10.24 #       <lostlogic> Inc: I've not installed rockbox from windows ever, so I'm not much use on the "how do I install the bootloader from windows" part of the program.
05.10.39 #       * lostlogic smacks scorche around a bit with a salmon
05.10.47 #       <Inc> lostlogic, but my ipods not toast right?
05.11.21 #       <Hotfusion> do the restore and report back
05.11.57 #       <Inc> ok
05.12.03 #       <scorche> lostlogic: i like how youdeviated from the typical trout
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05.12.14 #       <lostlogic> scorche: :)
05.12.15 #       <scorche> but salmon are a bit boring
05.12.21 #       <lostlogic> Inc: ipod not toast.
05.12.27 #       <lostlogic> scorche: it was that or a swordfish.
05.12.33 #       <scorche> ow....
05.12.36 #       <Inc> lostlogic, good
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05.18.24 #       <Inc> ok back.
05.20.08 #       <lostlogic> how's the patient?
05.20.23 #       <Inc> crappy
05.20.29 #       <lostlogic> apple restore didn't work?
05.20.40 #       <Inc> no it just finished but I had to update
05.20.44 #       <Inc> or something or other
05.21.03 #       <lostlogic> and that makes the patient crappy? sounds fine in a general sort of way
05.21.18 #       <Inc> because I'm a negative person :).
05.21.41 #       <Inc> in other news. Can I run this install while I'm updateing firmware?
05.21.50 #       <lostlogic> no
05.22.03 #       <Inc> damn
05.22.23 #       <Inc> well I guess I "could" compile right now if I wanted.
05.22.24 #       <lostlogic> the firmware must be updated, and in good condition, then you must copy the apple firmware off to your computer, then you must patch rockbox bootloader into it, then you must copy it back to the player.  The instructions for thsi are on the wiki *tries to find*
05.23.38 #       <Inc> heh
05.24.53 #       <scorche> lostlogic: let the man find the instructions in the wiki on his own
05.25.12 #       <lostlogic> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
05.25.21 #       <lostlogic> considering it's the wiki page fucking called "IpodInstallation" I should have.
05.25.30 #       <scorche> like isaid...
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05.27.02 #       <Galois> more people would be able to find it if it were called iPodInstallation
05.27.15 #       * Galois runs away to the gym
05.27.21 #       <scorche> gym????
05.27.28 #       <scorche> you are on the internet!!!
05.27.34 #       <scorche> come on man..i expect better
05.27.51 #       <Galois> the gym doesn't even have cell signals, let alone wifi
05.27.54 #       <Inc> wow how long does it take 
05.28.00 #       <Inc> to update the stupid firmware
05.28.18 #       <lostlogic> then don't go there.
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05.30.20 #       <Inc> I don't get why apple doesn't update their firmware very often....
05.31.01 #       <scorche> cause they have to gothrough a ton of checks and test for bugs before they send it out
05.31.39 #       <Inc> I guess.
05.32.07 #       <Inc> I wish I had someone I knew who was in on the firmware to get betas all I know is an itunes guy haha
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05.34.27 #       <Inc> bbl thanks for the help
05.38.05 #       <Hotfusion> just think if it was microsoft, you'd have a new firmware everyday. albeit not the most stable, may crash alot but no firmware waiting
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06.03.44 #       <lostlogic> any swcodec users who want to test selecting a new file / dir to play while audio is playing should do so.
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06.08.47 #       <Dyne> Heh, Full speed iBoy on a nano? Not quite yet, right?
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06.10.59 #       <jnc> is greyscale iPod supported?
06.11.22 #       <scott666> the 4Gs are, AFAIK
06.11.26 #       <lostlogic> jnc: 4g, and mini
06.11.30 #       <jnc> the one with touch wheel, and separate buttons for |<-, |> ||, |_|, ->| 
06.11.41 #       <scott666> i think thats 3
06.11.42 #       <lostlogic> which I dont' think is what youa re describing
06.12.41 #       <jnc> hmm
06.13.49 #       <jnc> the iPod i speak of, has red/orange-ish glowing buttons, monochrome lcd screen, 10G capacity, there's prev, play, menu, next buttons
06.14.02 #       <jnc> then there's an unmarked button in the center of the touch wheel
06.14.19 #       <lostlogic> jnc: look it up on our device chart, or on ipl's generations wiki page.
06.14.23 #       <lostlogic> I believe that's 3g
06.14.27 #       <jnc> okay
06.15.44 #       <jnc> it does look like 3g
06.15.47 #       <jnc> good guess!
06.16.01 #       <lostlogic> hmph, we do do CVS builds for it
06.16.06 #       <lostlogic> but I'm unsure if they run or what.
06.16.37 #       <lostlogic> and now I sleep.
06.17.07 #       <jnc> thanks
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06.21.41 #       <lostlogic> fuck.  after I commit and the daily build runs, then I realize it's broken.
06.22.40 #       <scott666> ill make sure not to get tomorrow's daily then
06.22.42 #       <scott666> heh
06.22.53 #       <scott666> (today's?)
06.23.15 #       <lostlogic> today in 38m's
06.23.22 #       <scott666> yeah
06.23.35 #       <jnc> what *is* up with the 3gs
06.24.14 #       <scott666> port to the iPod 3G is in progress but is not yet functional.
06.24.18 #       <jnc> http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-ipod3g/
06.24.20 #       <jnc> oh okay
06.24.26 #       <lostlogic> and no devs actualy own them.
06.24.32 #       <jnc> want a donation?
06.24.40 #       <lostlogic> jnc: of a 3g ipod?
06.24.42 #       <jnc> yeah
06.24.46 #       <jnc> i can arrange it probably
06.24.53 #       <lostlogic> mention it when the europeans are conscious tomorrow :)
06.24.57 #       <jnc> okay
06.25.29 #       <jnc> what's a rockbox supported player that'd be easy for an old man to use?
06.25.43 #       <scott666> a new ipod?
06.25.48 #       <jnc> okay
06.25.54 #       <jnc> something like a video iPod yeah?
06.26.10 #       <scott666> i believe they're also the only ones that you can actually go out and buy in a store
06.26.24 #       <scott666> but I could be wrong about that
06.26.36 #       <jnc> my grandfather's got a 3g, i could get him something nicer and take the 3g for a donation to y'all
06.27.30 #       <scott666> out of curiosity, why is your grandfather interested in rockbox?
06.29.04 #       <jnc> he's mostly interested in Linux
06.29.18 #       <jnc> but like, still having to dual boot for that iTunes stuff
06.29.31 #       <jnc> gtkpod isn't exactly user friendly
06.29.34 #       <scott666> have you looked into ipodlinux?
06.29.49 #       <jnc> briefly.   not really wanting to run linux on an ipod
06.29.54 #       <jnc> just listen to music.  
06.29.55 #       <lostlogic> rockbox has selectable fonts... good for old eyes :-D
06.30.10 #       <lostlogic> that's why my mother wants to switch her H120 to rockbox once 3.0 comes out
06.30.12 #       <jnc> lostlogic: yeah!  i hoped that would be a win :)
06.31.04 #       <jnc> making fonts huge in Ubuntu dapper was super easy.  doing the same in windows xp was an exercise in rebooting 4 times, and patching internet explorer for a font security hole
06.32.00 #       <lostlogic> ok, now for sleep... for real, I hope.
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06.32.32 #       <jnc> scott666: i own a pair of Zaurus units
06.32.43 #       <scott666> who?
06.32.46 #       <jnc> linux on embedded device is fairly well covered
06.33.07 #       <jnc> scott666: i have an Sharp Zaurus C3000, and an Sharp Zaurus C3100
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06.33.27 #       <scott666> ahh, those are the linux PDAs, right?
06.34.55 #       <bleaked> question, on the original ipod firmware whenever the headphone jack would leave the device, the music would pause.  and whenever the device was paused for a few minutes, the device would shut off.  i _love_ these features.  are they possible in rockbox?
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06.35.50 #       <scott666> currently?
06.35.59 #       <scott666> or 'possible to implement'
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06.36.29 #       <bleaked> well, i guess i would be interested in both answers
06.36.36 #       <bleaked> (or whatever you wan t to answer)
06.37.35 #       <jnc> is $280usd the best price you folks know about, for iPod 30g video
06.38.02 #       <scott666> unless you work for apple
06.38.04 #       <scorche> sounds about right
06.38.30 #       <scorche> i think i can get em for cheaper, but thenagain, that is a corporate thing
06.38.34 #       <scott666> bleaked: i just got my ipod/rockbox the other day, so im not the most knowledgable on the ipod features
06.38.45 #       <scott666> but i belleve the answers are 'no' and 'yes'
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06.39.22 #       <bleaked> i find it odd that rockbox will not automatically shut off the device after a certain period of time..
06.39.32 #       <bleaked> seems like a pretty standard power management feature
06.39.59 #       <bleaked> i could understand the fancy headphone pause feature not being available though..
06.40.01 #       <scorche> it should be able to
06.40.02 #       <scott666> theres an adjustable Idle Poweroff feature
06.40.06 #       <scott666> default is 10m
06.40.13 #       <scorche> there ya go
06.40.15 #       <bleaked> ok
06.40.23 #       <bleaked> i'll scour the menus again
06.40.26 #       <scorche> (i set mine to 1 min)
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06.41.16 #       <scott666> general settings > system
06.41.44 #       <scott666> anyone know how much mAh the ipod battery has?
06.41.55 #       <scott666> or does that setting not even apply to non-archos players
06.42.19 #       <scorche> scott666: which ipod?
06.42.20 #       <jnc> i saw a menu for it
06.42.30 #       <jnc> on the video ipod there was a menu item for checking capacity
06.42.48 #       <scott666> is there? ill look for it
06.45.35 #       <jnc> the rockbox default menu is a nightmare to navigate, btw.
06.45.44 #       <jnc> not that i have any clue how to make it easier
06.45.56 #       <jnc> it's functional, barely ;)
06.46.13 #       <scott666> i wrote up a complete re-sorting of it a few years ago
06.46.14 #       <scott666> heh
06.47.05 #       <scott666> Recent Bookmakrs shouldnt be taking up space if Bookmarks aren't even enabled
06.47.24 #       <jnc> ah
06.47.54 #       <jnc> my little sister was stabbing her iPod out of frustration with the rockbox menuing system
06.48.05 #       <jnc> that was a bit scary to witness
06.48.31 #       <scott666> i used to have an archos FMR (well, i say 'used to'. I still have it, the headphone jack doesn't work though, so it's rather useless as a DAP)
06.48.36 #       <jnc> hey, no Neuros support? ;)
06.48.54 #       <infamis> does anyone know where logging info is output to?
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06.49.07 #       <jnc> infamis: serial port i.e. remote control
06.49.14 #       <infamis> damn
06.49.25 #       <Jungti1234> hello
06.49.56 #       <infamis> jnc: this is for logf's, right?
06.50.43 #       <jnc> infamis: i'm repeating (vaugely) information i overheard in IRC channel two days ago
06.50.57 #       <jnc> /i/ don't actually know anything about it :/
06.51.14 #       <infamis> oh, ok, I'll try browsing through the irc logs
06.51.52 #       <scott666> have you looked around on your disk?
06.52.02 #       <scott666> i cant imagine thered be too many places it could hide
06.53.22 #       <Jungti1234> http://astronomy.swin.edu.au/~pbourke/other/dft/
06.53.57 #       <infamis> scot666: logf goes to a file?
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06.54.39 #       <scott666> generally when something gets logged it gets written to the disk..no?
06.55.21 #       <infamis> maybe...
06.56.34 #       <infamis> rockbox-20060408.txt: 12.04.27 #       <amiconn> logf() to disk wouldn't make much sense
06.56.49 #       <infamis> Disk accesses would happen so frequently that they would disturb normal operation
06.56.55 #       <infamis> quote amiconn
06.57.43 #       <scott666> fair enough
06.57.49 #       <scott666> i have no idea what logf is
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07.15.00 #       <Hotfusion> I should play oblivion but I can't put my player down
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07.15.12 #       <Hotfusion> I've been infeccted lol
07.16.47 #       <scott666> doom > oblivion
07.16.52 #       <Hotfusion> lol
07.16.53 #       <scott666> heh
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08.03.38 #       <mc_365> Hello everyone
08.03.53 #       <infamis> I guess the razr is the next platform for rb :)
08.04.20 #       <infamis> or cell phones in general
08.05.37 #       <mc_365> I just bought a 5G 30gb Vid Ipod semi used for 250
08.05.43 #       <mc_365> really brandnew was about 4 days old from the reciept
08.05.53 #       <mc_365> bought cuase of rockbox
08.06.04 #       <mc_365> must say it's very good
08.06.19 #       <mc_365> compile my first binary today
08.06.39 #       <infamis> glad you like it (like I had anything to do with the development of it...lol)
08.07.39 #       <mc_365> well those who choose to utilize it give developers more incentive to be creative
08.08.51 #       <mc_365> any other Ipoders here?
08.10.33 #       <infamis> nope
08.11.12 #       * infamis gives them a chance to refute his claim
08.13.23 #       <mc_365> I guess the IRC channel is for the hard core rockboxers the archos and iriver guys huh
08.16.15 #       * bleaked is a happy rockbox nano user
08.16.31 #       <Bagder> mc_365: not really
08.16.37 #       <Bagder> just a bit calm at times
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08.17.43 #       <mc_365> I guess it is a little late or early depending on where your located
08.17.53 #       * infamis is x5-in it
08.18.31 #       * scorche is archos-in it
08.19.15 #       <mc_365> I was thinking about an x5l for the battery life and sound but then I chose the ipog cuase of the screen and accessories
08.20.44 #       <LinusN> what accessories?
08.21.56 #       <mc_365> Well they don't currently work with rockbox but ipod has the widest range of accessories and one day they may work with rockbox or rockboxs successor
08.23.05 #       <Galois> mc_365, there's no need to worry, the ipod is a safe choice
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08.26.13 #       <LinusN> mc_365: yes, but what accessories are you referring to?
08.26.13 #       <mc_365> well apple did screw me with the itunesdb
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08.27.11 #       <mc_365> all of them. in general the vast availability from many third party manufacturers in retail stores
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08.27.59 #       <mc_365> speaker docks, car mounts, remotes, GPS
08.28.36 #       <mc_365> they even have an ipod vibrator if thats your thing
08.28.36 #       <Galois> fancy leather cases...
08.28.50 #       <infamis> imo, generic accessories but with the name iPod on it somewhere
08.29.01 #       <Galois> thus raising the price to $99 from $29
08.29.03 #       <infamis> and overpriced
08.29.27 #       <infamis> yup
08.29.37 #       <Galois> the ipod nano is the one non-overpriced ipod
08.29.47 #       <LinusN> mc_365: x5 has a remote
08.30.01 #       <LinusN> and the fm radio is builtin
08.30.08 #       <mc_365> vs no accessories accept from the manufacturer who charges you a arm and a leg and you have to pay first and wait for it to come mail order
08.30.13 #       <amiconn> good morning
08.30.23 #       * LinusN googles for ipod and gps
08.30.34 #       <Vladoman> moin
08.30.45 #       <Vladoman> gcc gefixt?
08.30.47 #       <infamis> moinin
08.31.05 #       <_FireFly_> amiconn: moin :)
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08.31.45 #       <amiconn> Vladoman: I have a patch for the jumptable bug for both 3.3.6 and 3.4.6. I still don't have an idea where running a 3.4.6 -Os build goes banana
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08.32.30 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Regarding your power measurements - were there any scrolling lines displayed?
08.32.33 #       <infamis> _FireFly_: lol...sounded right & at the right time...
08.32.41 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yes
08.32.46 #       <Vladoman> I remember we had to fix the gcc a couple of times when we did the OSCAR, but that was in '98 with something gcc 2.0
08.32.49 #       <_FireFly_> infamis: ?
08.32.50 #       <amiconn> hmm, badness
08.32.57 #       <LinusN> amiconn: why?
08.33.22 #       <infamis> _FireFly_: I mess be missing something so I'll drop it...
08.33.33 #       <infamis> I *must*
08.33.49 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i tested with idle screens too, and it didn't make any difference
08.34.00 #       <amiconn> Oh, also on H300?
08.34.11 #       <LinusN> yes
08.34.16 #       * amiconn suspected scrolling text to draw quite some power on H300
08.34.40 #       <amiconn> The mono bitmap drawing is still dead slow...
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08.35.16 #       <LinusN> this could indicate one of two things:
08.35.22 #       <LinusN> 1) it never sleeps
08.35.28 #       <LinusN> 2) lcd access is cheap
08.36.00 #       <LinusN> or rather both
08.36.07 #       <amiconn> Yeah, but when bitmap drawing is slow, it should cause more boost when scrolling
08.36.17 #       <amiconn> hmm
08.36.44 #       <LinusN> i can clearly see on the amp meter when it boosts
08.36.44 #       <amiconn> Anyway, I have the suspicion that we're doing something wrong on all irivers, not just H300
08.37.06 #       <amiconn> okay
08.37.29 #       <LinusN> so all the scrolling could do is prevent it from executing SLEEP
08.38.03 #       <LinusN> and make it boost sooner
08.38.21 #       <LinusN> but the 125mA is measured when unboosted
08.38.57 #       <amiconn> My theory: you measured idle power draw on H1x0 at 45MHz (70mA) and 112MHz (100mA). Assuming a linear increase like freescale states for the coldfire, this means 0.447 mA/MHz
08.39.22 #       <amiconn> ..or about 50mA at (hypothetic) 0MHz
08.39.52 #       <amiconn> But then you measured 55mA for mp3 playback in retailos
08.40.32 #       <amiconn> That would mean the coldfire runs at 11MHz when playing mp3 if my theory is correct...
08.41.23 #       <amiconn> but I remember some (vague) quotes that the motorola codec needs >~20MHz for realtime operation
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08.42.13 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Could you measure current draw at 11MHz as well, preferably on both targets?
08.42.21 #       <LinusN> sure
08.42.31 #       <amiconn> It would be a verification of the linearity
08.42.50 #       <LinusN> 112mhz?
08.43.27 #       <amiconn> My prediction for H1x0: 65mA
08.43.41 #       <amiconn> Err, 55mA
08.43.51 #       <LinusN> can't do that until i get home
08.44.27 #       <LinusN> 124-45=79
08.44.49 #       <LinusN> 30mA difference between 45 and 124mhz
08.45.04 #       <LinusN> 30/79=0.379mA per mhz, right?
08.45.10 #       <amiconn> yes
08.45.27 #       * amiconn wonders why he used 112...
08.45.29 #       <LinusN> you said .447
08.46.15 #       <Jungti1234> hey
08.46.38 #       <amiconn> For some reason I calculated with 112MHz being the max frequency...
08.46.38 #       <LinusN> my calculations show roughly 20mhz
08.47.47 #       <amiconn> (hypothetic) 0MHz in rockbox would then draw 53mA, 11MHz should draw 57mA
08.47.59 #       <Jungti1234> Rockbox does shut off power if charge ends?
08.48.21 #       <Jungti1234> power -> current
08.48.21 #       <amiconn> LinusN: How do you calculate that? I get ~5MHz now...
08.48.38 #       <LinusN> hmmm
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08.50.14 #       <Jungti1234> Answer?
08.50.34 #       <LinusN> no
08.50.59 #       <LinusN> that is handled by the hardware
08.52.00 #       <Jungti1234> But, even if charge of Rockbox ends, continuation 'charging' image seem.
08.52.01 #       <amiconn> Another interesting test would be measuring current draw at the same frequency but different cpu states
08.52.44 #       <amiconn> Disable interrupts, and then (1) go to sleep (2) busy loop in iram/cache (3) acessing dram all the time
08.52.50 #       <LinusN> i remember i did that once
08.53.20 #       <LinusN> i can't remember huw much that saved, but i believe it was in the range of 10mA or something
08.53.37 #       <LinusN> i mean (1)
08.53.54 #       <amiconn> the difference between (2) and (3) should tell us how much it costs to access the dram
08.54.43 #       <LinusN> Jungti1234: how do you know that the charging has ended?
08.54.59 #       <LinusN> amiconn: yup, that would be interesting
08.55.02 #       <amiconn> Maybe the iriver savings are caused by less dram access
08.55.27 #       <amiconn> (3) could be done by just repeatedly memset()ing the main buffer
08.55.35 #       <LinusN> from what i have heard, the iriver pcm buffer is in iram
08.55.37 #       <Jungti1234> LinusN: Saw in original firmware.
08.56.10 #       <LinusN> ok
08.56.34 #       <LinusN> Jungti1234: i'm not sure we detect end-of-charge correctly on the h300
08.57.07 #       <Jungti1234> hmm
08.57.18 #       <Jungti1234> Then, is it Rockbox's problem?
08.58.29 #       <LinusN> most likely
08.58.47 #       <amiconn> LinusN: we do
08.58.53 #       <amiconn> It's working here
08.58.57 #       <Jungti1234> ok
08.59.38 #       <Jungti1234> hey LinusN
09.00.05 #       <Jungti1234> Then, is current cut?
09.00.05 #       <amiconn> LinusN: All 3 measurements would be interesting at the various cpu frequencies, and for me a 4th measurement would be interesting on H1x0: (4) like (1), but additionally disabling dram refresh
09.00.29 #       <LinusN> i see
09.00.42 #       <LinusN> amiconn: prepare a table in wiki, and i'll fill it in
09.00.53 #       <amiconn> ok
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09.07.48 #       <Jungti1234> LinusN?
09.08.09 #       <LinusN> yes?
09.08.39 #       <LinusN> Jungti1234: i deliberately did not reply to your "hey LinusN" earlier
09.08.52 #       <Jungti1234> ?
09.08.52 #       <LinusN> if you want something, say it
09.09.04 #       <petur> hm
09.09.18 #       <LinusN> ah, i now see what i missed
09.09.30 #       <LinusN> rockbox can't cut the current
09.09.30 #       <Jungti1234> If charge ends in iriver firmware, does Rockbox prevent current automatically?
09.09.34 #       <Jungti1234> haha...
09.09.45 #       <LinusN> as i said, it is done by the hardware
09.09.50 #       <Jungti1234> Does it eat continuation electricity?
09.10.25 #       <LinusN> as long as the player is on, it will consume battery power
09.10.37 #       <Jungti1234> ....:'(
09.11.03 #       <LinusN> and the charging circuit will keep the battery full, with a small current
09.13.50 #       <HuntermicAtwork> Any news on the IAudio M5?
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09.14.22 #       <Bagder> HuntermicAtwork: not since that chat on the dev list
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09.16.53 #       <HuntermicAtwork> Any special reason the development hasn't started for the M5, is there still missing information, or is there just no developer interested?
09.17.19 #       <Bagder> there's no one with an M5 that has stepped up to do it
09.17.38 #       <HuntermicAtwork> ok, i understand
09.19.07 #       <LinusN> it's hard to port rockbox to a player that you don't have
09.20.11 #       <Bagder> and if there's *no one* with an M5 interested to do development it is next to pointless anyway
09.20.52 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Do you know whether the iriver firmware updates the lcd (framebuffer?) if the backlight is off?
09.20.54 #       <HuntermicAtwork> yes, i totally understand, unfortunately i can only write c# and java, not c++ or c, so i'm afraid i can't be of any help
09.21.07 #       <LinusN> amiconn: i have no idea
09.21.14 #       <scorche> c# and java...
09.21.29 #       <scorche> you scare me
09.21.35 #       <HuntermicAtwork> why?
09.22.33 #       <petur> one day garbage collection will come along and take java, c#,... with it :D
09.22.43 #       <HuntermicAtwork> i do understand c++ and c, i can even write it, but i never did program in it
09.22.49 #       <scorche> petur: we can only hope
09.23.00 #       <HuntermicAtwork> true, the garbage collection shit sucks
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09.24.35 #       <amiconn> Hrmph.... now if it really is the dram access... rockbox' framebuffer is in dram on H300, but in iram on H1x0...
09.25.05 #       <_FireFly_> due the color support of the h300 i think
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09.27.39 #       <LinusN> amiconn: no it isn't
09.28.18 #       <LinusN> last time i measured the current, i froze the cpu in a sleep insctruction and it still ate a lot of current
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09.28.57 #       <linuxstb> Morning all.  Just thought I would mention that the nice guy at http://www.audiolineout.com (a one-man shop selling line-out adapters for ipods aimed at headphone-amp users) is building and donating a line-in adapter so I can try and get line-in recording working for ipods in Rockbox.
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09.29.19 #       <Bagder> cool
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09.33.31 #       <pondlife> Question - anybody know the difference between Crossfade options "Always" and "Track Skip Only"?
09.34.02 #       <pondlife> With crossfade set to "Track Skip Only", I'd think that should crossfade on next, but not if another track is selected in the browser. 
09.34.22 #       <scorche> not sure if you guys saw this, but now that you euros are awake, someone came in and mentioned http://www.ipodwizard.net/showthread.php?t=8585
09.34.35 #       <midkay_> pondlife, that means that whenever the track is changed manually then fade is enabled.
09.34.36 #       <ashridah> pondlife: trackskip should be when you explicitly skip a track
09.34.56 #       <pondlife> OK, so Always would be for natural track changes too.
09.34.58 #       <pondlife> Gotcha
09.34.59 #       <midkay_> normal, gapless playback will occur as long as you aren't skipping, whether it's next/last or from the playlist viewer, or the browser.
09.35.03 #       <midkay_> right.
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09.36.06 #       <pondlife> I'm very impressed with lostlogic's latest work
09.36.27 #       <pondlife> Quite hard to break now
09.36.49 #       <amiconn> LinusN: If it's not the dram, what else could we be doing wrong?
09.37.21 #       <amiconn> LinusN: Btw, I checked the coldfire datasheet, and we do have 4 dma channels available, not just 2
09.37.57 #       <midkay_> hm, i wonder if that would be better changed to like 'Track Change Only'. or 'Manual Track Change Only'.
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09.38.30 #       <amiconn> Only 2 are connected to the audio interfaces
09.38.47 #       <amiconn> ...but this makes ATA DMA feasible
09.39.04 #       <amiconn> Only special case is the non-dma-capable iram block
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09.54.20 #       <midkay> hm, testing the new libmad patches on my 5G iPod. slowly but surely getting better :)
09.54.50 #       <midkay> must be like 110% realtime-ish with EQ on for me now.. sitting in a nonupdating menu.
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10.04.46 #       <crashd> midkay: are they Toni's patches?
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10.08.00 #       <Jungti1234> hi voltagex
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10.27.27 #       <JdGordon> spam spam eggs and spam
10.27.28 #       <Bg3r> LinusN, Bagder 
10.27.30 #       <Jungti1234> :)
10.27.57 #       <Jungti1234> Spam is ham can name.
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10.29.35 #       <Jungti1234> http://cbingoimage.naver.com/data2/bingo_29/imgbingo_18/pascale2/24410/pascale2_4.jpg
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10.30.57 #       <markun> amiconn: the gigabeat's backlight can be dimmed in 64 steps, that's not enought for fading, is it?
10.31.36 #       <LinusN> sounds enough to me
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10.34.08 #       <markun> I'll try to run my first test code on the gigabeat tomorrow
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11.39.06 #       <amiconn> markun: I think it's enough for fading. We use 100 steps in the H1x0 and ipod software pwm
11.39.35 #       <amiconn> H300 doesn't have enough steps (16, effectively only 15)
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12.06.16 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, around?
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12.11.51 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, I am looking at the float placements. I think I have come up with a better solution than the current one.
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12.12.29 #       <tucoz> I almost all of the cases, the figures and in text tables are placed where they should be.
12.12.37 #       <tucoz> *In
12.15.32 #       <tucoz> We could also use the same solution for the key map-tables
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13.16.04 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, I commited the change. Please revert it if you don't like it.
13.16.20 #       <luckz> 1) I would appreciate rockbox playing .cue file entries in a .m3u playlist properly
13.16.23 #       <preglow> can't see why
13.16.34 #       <preglow> luckz: i bet you would
13.17.02 #       <luckz> 2) I would further appreciate support for filenames used in european languages (things like umlauts) - right now, it just tells me that the files can't be found. again .m3u playlist.
13.17.24 #       <preglow> that's a codepage issue
13.17.27 #       <tucoz> preglow, was that for me?
13.17.38 #       <preglow> tucoz: yes, i think the change sounds pretty logical
13.18.04 #       <preglow> luckz: 1) .cue support isn't straight forward, but will probably happen at some time in the future when someone comes by and codes it
13.18.24 #       <preglow> luckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded
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13.18.35 #       <tucoz> preglow, me too. But I have been away for some time, so I don't want to break anything. :)
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13.22.22 #       <bluebrother> tucoz: hi
13.22.34 #       <bluebrother> just came back
13.22.55 #       <tucoz> hello
13.24.22 #       <bluebrother> problem with your change: as far as I know the placement modifier that way doesn't allow other placements which could result in placing the floats at the end of the chapter if there isn't enough space left.
13.24.57 #       <bluebrother> I'm quite busy the last days but I'll look into it later. Maybe there is a modifier I didn't know ;-)
13.25.29 #       <tucoz> bluebrother, I know. But we could force that by using  \topfraction etc
13.25.48 #       <bluebrother> hmm. May be worth playing with it a bit more.
13.26.05 #       <tucoz> Yes. The h120 manual looks better now anyway
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13.26.24 #       <bluebrother> I was also thinking if we should change the writing style a bit and stop writing like "see the table below"
13.26.47 #       <tucoz> and refer to see \ref{tab:blabla} instead?
13.26.53 #       <bluebrother> instead don't mention the table at all, give a good caption and let the user find it himself.
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13.27.36 #       <bluebrother> maybe also the "refer to table \ref{foo} but as far as I read the manual I think the most cases it's mostly clearly without.
13.28.18 #       <tucoz> I agree. I think by placing the tables where they should be, we do not have to refer to tables that way
13.28.38 #       <tucoz> Only when referring to a table from another section
13.28.55 #       <tucoz> but then we probably should refer to the section instad
13.29.29 #       <tucoz> like, see \ref{sec:foo} for more information on foo
13.30.05 #       <bluebrother> we also have mostly \pageref while I personally prefer referring to sections.
13.30.37 #       <tucoz> me too. That is from the 2.4 doc
13.31.02 #       <bluebrother> two more points I'm currently working at:
13.31.33 #       <bluebrother> \setting to mark all settings. ATM this uses simply \textsc which looks pretty good imho
13.32.19 #       <tucoz> what is \textsc?
13.32.22 #       <bluebrother> also I started to generate a table with all devices for the appendix, but I will mostly suppone this after 3.0
13.32.25 #       <bluebrother> small caps.
13.32.42 #       <tucoz> ok. Instead of verbatim?
13.33.09 #       <bluebrother> I used it in the tagcache section for now.
13.33.24 #       <tucoz> is it in cvs?
13.33.39 #       <bluebrother> like: "you need to go to \setting{General $\rightarrow$ Disk ...}
13.33.43 #       <bluebrother> not now.
13.34.06 #       <bluebrother> "when set to \settion{Yes} this setting does foo ..."
13.34.10 #       <tucoz> ah, cool. That sounds good.
13.34.52 #       <bluebrother> as we have sometimes YES, sometimes "YES", sometimes "Yes", sometimes \epmh{Yes} ...
13.34.59 #       <tucoz> Do you think we should make a tree of the menus?
13.35.09 #       <bluebrother> and I really like small caps for settings.
13.35.21 #       <bluebrother> hmm. Maybe a good idea.
13.40.46 #       <bluebrother> I'm only unsure how to do this a good way.
13.40.46 #       <bluebrother> perhaps a customized description environment?
13.40.46 #       <tucoz> hmm. small caps perhaps :)
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13.40.46 #       <bluebrother> hehe :)
13.40.46 #       <tucoz> hmm. I think I'll try some ideas for a tree like that. I'll see if I get some time later on.
13.40.46 #       <tucoz> see you later
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13.40.46 #       <bluebrother> I think I'll commit the \setting later. But as I'm not at home it'll last some time.
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13.40.46 #       <tucoz> regarding  the float placement. We could possibly use the nonfloat package as well.
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13.40.46 #       <bluebrother> good point.
13.40.46 #       <tucoz> sure. I'll be more around from now :) Been pretty busy with the newborn lately.
13.40.46 #       <Bagder> yeah, teaching them rockbox code can be tedious ;-P
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13.40.46 #       <tucoz> tell me about it.
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13.40.46 #       <tucoz> bye for now
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13.41.23 #       <julius> hi everyone
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13.42.26 #       <Genre9mp3> The Golden Quotes section in the wiki becomes bigger and bigger!... :-)
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13.43.40 #       <julius> i just found out that iTrip ldc with dock is not working with rockbox, can we do something about it? I would be happy to try to code it somehow, but where should I look for help? manuals? tips? tricks? and so on :)
13.44.24 #       <Genre9mp3> Now think about the .wma support for rockbox and just imagine the ultimate combination....iPods playing .wma!!! lol
13.44.25 #       <ashridah> the wiki on www.rockbox.org contains a fairly large amount of developer references
13.45.22 #       <petur> julius: you have chosen the right platform as your player, namely the one 'without documentation'
13.46.14 #       <Bagder> julius: fire up your objdump and go dissassembling! ;-)
13.46.20 #       <ravon> Is doxygen (or an equivalence) used? Haven't checked.
13.46.24 #       <preglow> yes, objdump for disassembling the firmware
13.46.29 #       <preglow> that won't be an arduous task at all
13.46.32 #       <Bagder> nooo
13.46.34 #       <Bagder> ;-)
13.46.53 #       <Bagder> weaker persons could use IDA
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13.47.12 #       * petur points to Linus :P
13.48.47 #       <petur> wasn't there some site with the decoding of the ipod accessory stuff?
13.48.58 #       <julius> petur, Bagder, ravon, preglow, thanks for the asnwers, so lets start :) first of all I think the sound is send to the itrip if you turn on the car adapter mode, so the only thing remaining (if i'm not wrong) is to somehow give power to the itrip, do I see the things right?
13.49.21 #       <preglow> *shrug*
13.49.26 #       <preglow> i don't even know what an itrip is, heh
13.49.46 #       * Bagder is clueless about the iPod accessory stuff
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13.50.51 #       <julius> preglow, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ITrip
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13.51.19 #       <julius> I try to use this one: iTrip with Dock Connector
13.52.12 #       <julius> so if I try the objdump method, what is that I should look for?
13.52.54 #       <Bagder> you should be prepare for a long journey if you take that road
13.52.59 #       <ravon> julius: I didn't help though :(
13.53.02 #       <ravon> I'm innocent.
13.53.35 #       <Bagder> and you better read up on ARM asm first
13.53.38 #       <petur> http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol
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13.55.52 #       <julius> Bagder, is there a shorter way? :) btw: I'm not a big hacker, back in 90-95 I cracked a lot of programs by disassembling them, but since than a lot has changed, so I just think that it is somehow possible and you know the saying. Who tries wins :)
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13.56.54 #       <Bagder> I honestly don't know. Read up on what is currently known and available. The rest is research left to do and it can only be done in a few different ways, one of them being dissassembly
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13.58.11 #       <julius> Bagder, sure, but could you please point me somehow to a place where I could start my journey?
13.58.29 #       <Bagder> http://ipodlinux.org/Apple_Accessory_Protocol ?
13.58.48 #       <julius> aaa, ok, thanks a lot!
13.58.52 #       <Bagder> I'm not an ipodder myself, I don't know much about these things
13.59.05 #       <petur> euh.. echo?
14.01.49 #       <Bagder>  /echo off
14.02.18 #       <petur> or for dos freaks: @echo off
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14.07.27 #       <lostlogic> preglow: how's the select new file behavior?
14.08.18 #       <preglow> ah, haven't tried yet
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14.08.40 #       <preglow> stuck on other work
14.08.42 #       <XavierGr> let's say I want to include math.h to a main file in a subfolder of plugins, what should I type? #indlude <firmware/include/math.h> ?
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14.10.39 #       <lostlogic> It's implemented as kinda an abuse of track change, but that makes it nice and smooth.  Just hope I did it properly so as not to break other things.
14.11.17 #       <preglow> lostlogic: i'll try it in a couple of hours. if i check it out now, i'll just end up coding rockbox the rest of the day, i know it
14.11.32 #       <lostlogic> preglow: understood.
14.11.38 #       * lostlogic goes to do paid work now as well
14.11.44 #       <pondlife> lostlogic: Did you see the track skipping problem on the wiki..?
14.12.22 #       * pondlife thinks he typed too slowly
14.12.54 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: not until just now.  hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
14.12.59 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: si that new today?
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14.16.28 #       <pondlife> Yep
14.16.39 #       <luckz> 13:18:27 < preglow> luckz: 2) that's probably a codepage issue. rockbox might think your m3u files are utf-8 encoded <- any idea how one could fix that?
14.16.52 #       <luckz> fpl and m3u8 are not supported, are they?
14.17.01 #       <pondlife> It's not crossfade related, you'll be pleased to know
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14.17.17 #       <pondlife> i.e. it happens without crossfade or voice, although I probably had beep enabled.
14.18.22 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: I did tweak next track handling to deal with selecting new files from the browser, so it makes sense.  Not sure why it would get stuck like that though... wait... yes, I am.
14.18.26 #       <lostlogic> *fixes*
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14.18.38 #       <romanos_melodos> hi everyone
14.19.00 #       <pondlife> Hmm, fixed before I could even explain it fully!!
14.19.16 #       <romanos_melodos> just a small question. Can i install ipl loader just to boot rockbox and apple firmware?
14.19.36 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: cvs up and try it.
14.20.03 #       <pondlife> OK, have remembered to bring my H300 into the office today, so shouldn't take long.
14.20.08 #       <lostlogic> nice
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14.21.41 #       <pondlife> BTW, resume on startup seems happy again
14.21.56 #       <romanos_melodos> anyone to answer my previous question?
14.22.41 #       <lostlogic> are you serious!? but I didn't touch it!??!?!
14.22.46 #       <lostlogic> *HAPPY*
14.23.02 #       <pondlife> Yep, even with voice enabled
14.23.15 #       <petur> romanos_melodos: i think so, but i'm not an ipodder ;)
14.23.24 #       <pondlife> Although voice seems to stop working sometimes, temporarily.
14.23.35 #       <pondlife> But that's a minor issue relatively.
14.23.37 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: yeah, amiconn reported that
14.23.54 #       <pondlife> Hmm, sorry for the delay - can't get USB connected
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14.27.47 #       <pondlife> Wooh, bug?  Restart rockbox (audio resumes) / Insert USB cable (USB logo displayed, but no connectivity) / Unplug USB cable / Attempt playback... WPS displayed and in play mode, but no audio or progress.
14.28.30 #       <lostlogic> yeah, I apparently have a therading problem stopping USB mode from activating...
14.28.42 #       <lostlogic> I _think_ I have it on the wiki.
14.29.01 #       <pondlife> And/or/maybe USB threading stops audio from activating?
14.29.06 #       <pondlife> Will update wiki in a bit
14.29.30 #       <pondlife> OK, turned off resume at startup - now USB works
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14.29.42 #       <lostlogic> it's more like the USB not activating all the way leaves some thread (probably the codec thread) in a definite state of stupid.
14.30.11 #       <webguest17> lostlogic, are you seeing light at the end of the tunnel with regards to sorting playback out ?
14.31.46 #       <pondlife> lostlogic: Track skipping problem seems to have been fixed
14.31.46 #       <lostlogic> webguest17: read the wiki page for status... I am hopefully done with refactorings until after 3.0.
14.32.25 #       <pondlife> Crossfade on track skip is not working though
14.32.26 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: figured, stuipd bug I stupidly introduced by 'fixing' another conditional while I was fixing play new playlist yestrerday.
14.32.36 #       <lostlogic> pondlife: probably just low buffer?
14.32.44 #       <pondlife> Hmm - most of the time?
14.32.53 #       <lostlogic> probably just low buffer.
14.33.28 #       <pondlife> It's being a bit too careful at the moment I think, but not a biggie
14.33.42 #       <lostlogic> could be...
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14.33.47 #       <pondlife> Oops - hard crash, pin time.
14.33.54 #       <lostlogic> what'd you do to it?
14.34.03 #       <pondlife> Don't know yet
14.34.41 #       <lostlogic> *sigh* I can't rockbox nay more, nor probably until Tuesday.  Much paid work and packing to do.
14.34.47 #       <pondlife> Voice is off, crossfade is on, beep is on.  I think I did a skip back... 
14.34.55 #       <pondlife> No problem, good work anyway
14.35.02 #       <pondlife> Have a nice rest!
14.35.13 #       <lostlogic> thanks, keep the wiki up-to-date with your findings :)
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14.36.16 #       <pondlife> Will do.
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15.27.08 #       <ravon> Osnap. I think I've convinced my asm-happy friend to install Rockbox on his iRiver.
15.27.46 #       <ravon> His response was something in the lines of "Oh crap! My iRiver has an arm720?! I'm gonna hack my ass off"
15.28.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hah
15.28.07 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The iRiver doesn't though
15.28.18 #       <petur> iFP?
15.28.21 #       <ravon> yea
15.28.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ooooh
15.28.28 #       <ravon>  iFP-899
15.28.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Sweet
15.28.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The 899 and 799 are identical hardware in different casings if I understand
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15.30.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I wouldn't mind seeing a working Rockbox in my 799 at all. :)
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15.30.57 #       <preglow> time for uncooked fish!
15.31.23 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Woo!
15.31.31 #       <ravon> Sushi ftw
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15.37.44 #       <erich> I just crashed my firmware it seems. by disabling dir cache while the tagdb is updating.
15.39.06 #       <XavierGr> erich: why would you want to do that :p
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15.49.03 #       <erich> the "disk powerdown" option isn't documented in the manual for the x5. what are the benefits/drawbacks of that option?
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15.52.09 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Do you mean the spin down option, or is this literally called "powerdown" (in which case I'm not familiar with it)
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15.56.31 #       <erich> Paul_The_Nerd: the literal power down option, just below the spindown time option
15.56.48 #       <erich> XavierGr: dircache uses like 800k ram on my player it seems.
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15.58.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> erich: I think he means "Why did you turn it off while the disk was in heavy use"
16.00.11 #       <erich> Paul_The_Nerd: the change is supposed to be in effect only after a reboot anyway?
16.00.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's for enabling it.
16.00.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Disabling it, it stops using it immediately, but reclaims the memory after the reboot, I believe
16.00.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm not 100% sure though.
16.00.44 #       <erich> Paul_The_Nerd: memory use doesn't go down unless you reboot.
16.00.47 #       <JdGordon41> oh feck... ive just gone over my mothly limit on cable :'( down to fucking modem speeds for the rest of the week
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16.01.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Dircache is the only way for Tagcache to work *well* at the moment anyway.
16.01.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Without dircache, tagcache doesn't add entries properly if you copy new files over.
16.02.52 #       <erich> I'm mostly interested in seeing how much battery I can get out by disabling stuff like dircache and such. it gives me a 5% larger buffer, for example.
16.04.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaah, if you wanted to maximize your buffer you'd have to make a custom compile anyway.
16.04.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You could disable plugins, reclaim their memory, and have another 512k :)
16.05.54 #       <Mikachu> disable the lcd and get the framebuffer too
16.06.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, but then you'd have to use VoiceUI to navigate, unless you put faith in Resume on Startup
16.08.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It'd be interesting to have an *actual* "Rockbox Optimized" which *just* did music playback, had a minimalist WPS buffer (text only), no sound processing features (or again, minimal ones maybe) and just played music as simply as possible, using all available RAM possible.
16.08.26 #       <Mikachu> you couldcall it Rockbox Shuffle :)
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16.13.38 #       <erich> Paul_The_Nerd: plugins just take up HD space, don't they?
16.13.49 #       <Mikachu> they have 512kB reserved at all times
16.13.53 #       <erich> ah, ok.
16.14.08 #       <Mikachu> this memory is also used by the playlist viewer though
16.14.11 #       <erich> well, I'm going to use the battery stats plugin. ;-)
16.14.34 #       <erich> Mikachu: Rockbox Audio Roulette?
16.14.45 #       <Mikachu> ?
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16.14.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Instead of Shuffle
16.14.58 #       <Mikachu> ah
16.15.09 #       <petur> what, did they trademark shuffle?
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16.15.31 #       <Mikachu> you can call it rockbox bejeweled vista shuffle
16.15.37 #       <klrspz> Paul_The_Nerd, yah that latest bleed from yesterday seemed to be the end of my battery problem
16.16.01 #       * amiconn spots talk about shufflebox
16.16.18 #       <amiconn> Paul_The_Nerd: [16:00:24] <Paul_The_Nerd> Dircache is the only way for Tagcache to work *well* at the moment anyway.
16.16.25 #       <amiconn> This is not entirely correct
16.16.35 #       <erich> petur: http://www.geekculture.com/joyoftech/joyarchives/643.html
16.16.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You can also force update manually, right?
16.16.40 #       <amiconn> Without dircache, tagcache doesn't add any new files automatically
16.16.47 #       <Mikachu> amiconn: that's what he said
16.16.52 #       <amiconn> A manual update should work okay
16.17.07 #       <petur> erich: rofl
16.17.11 #       <klrspz> erich, lol
16.17.12 #       <erich> noone up for adding an easter egg to rockbox, on April first it will play all songs backwards. Or only celine dion songs.
16.17.19 #       <erich> just kidding
16.18.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I suggested that every menu entry should instead be a procedurally generated bitmaps made from the string value somehow, and call it the new "Graphical UI"
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16.27.13 #       <klrspz> all the podcasts on itunes seem to be a damn video
16.27.19 #       <petur> Paul_The_Nerd: isn't it already? :P
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16.38.28 #       <amiconn> cr@p
16.39.21 #       <petur> wh@t?
16.39.37 #       <amiconn> Everytime I'm looking into another source file to analyse one bug, I find other glaring bugs...
16.40.33 #       <petur> we should do a codereview after 3.0 (or before?)
16.40.46 #       <amiconn> Preferably before..
16.41.01 #       * amiconn summons the code police
16.41.14 #       * petur hides
16.41.28 #       <amiconn> Not you this time ;)
16.41.34 #       <petur> phew
16.42.09 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: that's how I ended up totally refactoring crossfade that I didn't originally have on my list of things to do before 3.0 :-\
16.43.37 #       <amiconn> What I found are 2 mistakes in main.c regarding string length wrt unicode
16.44.18 #       <lostlogic> and I found that crossfade was handled in such a way that pieces of the crossfade could be lost, and faded into expired buffer if the fade wasn't keeping up with the playback.
16.44.26 #       <amiconn> font_w * strlen(text) is clearly wrong
16.44.58 #       <Mikachu> even for non-unicode if you have variable width fonts
16.45.07 #       <ravon> Hmm, when porting the NSF codec, would it be an ugly solution to request the entire file (<20k probably) into a buffer and then wrap the fread functions to operate within that buffer?
16.45.26 #       <amiconn> Mikachu: Yes, it's actually a double mistake (but this part uses the sysfont)
16.46.16 #       <lostlogic> ravon: seems reasonable, since it's so small -- just do one large read from the filebuf -- do verify that you did indeed receive the amount you requested of the file, even though we currently guarantee at least 32k available in a single request, just to be correct.
16.46.31 #       <ravon> lostlogic: Alrighy, thanks.
16.46.33 #       <amiconn> ..and there's another problem apart from the invalid width calculation: On targets with small LCDs, the strings are truncated & show in a weird way
16.46.53 #       <Mikachu> ravon: you're going to write a separate plugin or a codec for the playback system?
16.46.54 #       <amiconn> Not only archos, but also ipod mini
16.47.04 #       <ravon> Mikachu: Porting nosefart.
16.47.15 #       <lostlogic> as a codec, because that's what it is, right?
16.47.33 #       <Mikachu> i am asking because i'm not sure how you would handle subsongs as a codec
16.47.34 #       <ravon> If it'll be possible to change subsongs, then yes as a codec.
16.47.38 #       <ravon> :)
16.47.59 #       <lostlogic> ogg also supports subsongs, but rockbox does not currently
16.48.14 #       <Mikachu> nsf with subsongs is infinitely more common than ogg with subsongs thoug
16.48.22 #       <crashd> it's like SID
16.48.26 #       <crashd> SID almost always has subsongs
16.48.31 #       <lostlogic> do they have separate names and stuff?
16.48.33 #       <Mikachu> how are they handled now?
16.48.38 #       <crashd> but there'd have to be some major refactoring for them tow ork
16.48.41 #       <crashd> Mikachu: they aren't, afaik
16.48.41 #       <lostlogic> if not, can't the codec just play through them internally?
16.48.42 #       <ravon> Mikachu: On SID? They aren't.
16.48.49 #       <Mikachu> you just play the first one? that sucks a bti
16.48.51 #       <crashd> it'll play the first song, and when you skip, itll load the next fil
16.48.53 #       <ravon> lostlogic: They don't have a length though.
16.48.56 #       <crashd> well, it's still in testing
16.49.05 #       <lostlogic> ravon: not sure I follow...
16.49.08 #       <crashd> Mikachu: how do you propose they are handled :>
16.49.12 #       <Mikachu> lostlogic: bg songs just loop infinitely
16.49.17 #       <Mikachu> crashd: i'm just asking P:
16.49.21 #       <crashd> Mikachu: :)
16.49.42 #       <crashd> although, they do have 'lengths', it's been suggested that rb uses the metabase on the sid collection as a guide
16.49.50 #       <ravon> Can't it be handled when the codec receives a "Next song" request?
16.49.51 #       <crashd> but im not sure what would be the best way to approach it
16.50.15 #       <Mikachu> ravon: if there was such a request
16.50.28 #       <lostlogic> well currently, the codec _issues_ a next track request to the filebuffer
16.50.50 #       <lostlogic> so the filebuffer would hafta be sub-song aware and move to the next subsong and tell the codec  that said subsong is ready
16.50.55 #       <lostlogic> not sure if that's ideal
16.51.00 #       <Mikachu> you could maybe have file.sid:1 etc in the playlist?
16.51.04 #       <ravon>     if (ci->request_next_track())
16.51.05 #       <ravon>         goto next_track;
16.51.06 #       <Mikachu> and when adding it, it would add all subsongs?
16.51.10 #       <ravon> What does that do then?
16.51.10 #       * Mikachu hides
16.51.45 #       <lostlogic> ravon: that's the codec thread, it requests the next track from the fielbuf, if the next track on buffer is the same codec, the filebuf returns true, and the codec plays the next track, if not it exits so the next codec can start
16.52.30 #       <Mikachu> what happens if you try to seek after it exits? :)
16.52.32 #       <ravon> So that would be issued if, say, the user switches to the next song?
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16.53.07 #       <lostlogic> ravon: the audio thread sets the 'new_track' variable on the codec api, which tells the codec to immediately request a new track
16.53.08 #       <ravon> In the Winamp plugin you switch songs by moving the time slider. Maybe seeking can be used to switch songs in some way.
16.53.41 #       <lostlogic> ravon: in that case there's no need for special handling by the filebuf, you should just be able to have the codec internally handle all fo the sub songs.
16.54.02 #       <Mikachu> it's sort of hard to seek with second precision in rb though, if each second represents a subsong
16.54.03 #       <ravon> lostlogic: Yup. Just thinking about how to do it in the most usable and proper way.
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16.54.35 #       <ravon> Or rather least useless and wrong way.
16.55.09 #       <lostlogic> ravon: initially probably just handle subsongs in codec, later, maybe the codecs can callback to the audio thread with sub-song information so that there will be seek target points that 'skip' events will seek to when they are within the same file.
16.55.10 #       <linuxstb> The "proper way" would seem to be to change Rockbox to break the "one file = one track" assumption.
16.55.40 #       <ravon> Maybe I should just start at getting sound output.
16.55.55 #       <lostlogic> linuxstb: for .sid and .nsf, I think what I just suggested would be the KISS way, but I guess for ogg, you do need to fully break that assumption :(
16.56.03 #       <crashd> linuxstb: imho, that's a good idea, that way it could be easier to factor stuff like tracked tunes, midi, CUE playlists (i know, everyone seems to hate them, i dont though), ogg
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16.56.16 #       <linuxstb> ... and chapters in .m4a/mp4 files
16.56.20 #       <crashd> yeah, that too
16.56.57 #       <linuxstb> But yes, seeking to various points in the file could be used today to play sub-songs in SID/NSF.
16.57.12 #       <linuxstb> But I don't think the WPS could reflect which sub-song is playing.
16.57.50 #       <linuxstb> ... although that might be relatively simple to fix - to let the codec update the metadata whilst the track is playing.
16.57.51 #       <lostlogic> I vote for ab-ish markers in the wps indicating sub-song jump positions that 'next' presses would go to, for .sid, .nsf and chaptered files.
16.58.06 #       <ravon> It's possible to use 8bit mono output with a codec, right?
16.58.11 #       <lostlogic> ravon: no
16.58.14 #       <ravon> smeg
16.58.51 #       <lostlogic> ravon: all codecs currently output uhh 28 bit? (preglow?) samples which are processed to 16 bit by the DSP before being sent to the pcm.
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16.59.33 #       <ravon> lostlogic: hmmm, ok
17.00.02 #       <linuxstb> ravon: If I was you, I would first try to implement an "nsf2wav" plugin which just writes the output to a file.  This will allow you to a) adapt the code to run under Rockbox; b) test the output more thoroughly than just listening to it (e.g. comparing the WAV with the output of nosefart on a PC).
17.00.25 #       * amiconn has to check how Deliplayer handles sub-songs
17.00.28 #       <ravon> linuxstb: That works already.. as 8bit mono :)
17.00.34 #       <amiconn> Perhaps these guys had a clever idea...
17.01.00 #       <linuxstb> ravon: Does your plugin work on a real device? 
17.01.08 #       <ravon> linuxstb: yeah, on the X5 at least
17.01.13 #       <crashd> amiconn: the same way every other dedicated tracker play does probably. I know sidplayer uses a slider to let you choose subsongs
17.01.17 #       <linuxstb> ravon: How fast?
17.01.18 #       <crashd> and various other players use similar methods
17.01.26 #       <ravon> linuxstb: Haven't checked the ticks yet
17.01.37 #       <Mikachu> wouldn't it be nice to be able to just have one of the subsongs in your playlist?
17.01.45 #       <amiconn> crashd: Deliplayer is a true multiformat (>160 formats currently supported) music player for windows.
17.01.50 #       <crashd> i know amiconn 
17.02.11 #       <crashd> iirc, it handles it a simialr way though, as it anticipates sub songs
17.02.19 #       <ravon> linuxstb: Nosefart itself should be fast
17.02.22 #       <ravon> vrcvisnd.c:** removed all floating point from sound generation
17.02.50 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: The progressbar marker idea sounds good, but will be hard for formats that have no notion of track lenght
17.02.54 #       <amiconn> *length
17.03.23 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: gurgle, indeed
17.03.30 #       <amiconn> It will probably be enough to show equidistant markers in such cases..
17.03.42 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: that was my first thought as well.
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17.06.58 #       <godzirra> heya guys...
17.07.04 #       <godzirra> if you had to recommend a good mp3 player... what would it be?
17.07.10 #       <godzirra> I'm shopping for a new one and getting rid of my ipod I think.
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17.09.05 #       <petur> godzirra: it *all* depends on what you expect from it. make a list of what you'd like it to have (start with rockbox-compatible) and compare your specs with the players available
17.09.12 #       <godzirra> I like music.  
17.09.16 #       <godzirra> Dont care about video.
17.09.38 #       <godzirra> Playlists are good, (on the fly random playlists are even better... thats the only thing I liked about itunes was the cool playlist generation)
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17.10.49 #       <lostlogic> godzirra: sounds like any rockboxable device that you like the ergonomics of will do...
17.12.26 #       <godzirra> So what is a good rockboxable device then? :)  I heard that the xAudio had a lot of features but was hard to navigate.
17.12.29 #       <godzirra> I liked my old h12
17.12.30 #       <godzirra> h120
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17.14.05 #       <lostlogic> godzirra: I dunno, I actually really like my ipod video
17.14.14 #       <godzirra> I just dont really like the wheel controls.
17.14.35 #       <lostlogic> unfortunately, I think the iAudio X5 and the ipod video/nano are the only rockboxables that are still in active production
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17.15.09 #       <godzirra> Damn :/
17.15.58 #       <ravon> linuxstb: Seems to take 600 ticks/s on the X5 :/
17.16.04 #       <godzirra> huh?
17.16.20 #       <lostlogic> ravon: for how many seconds of audio?>
17.16.44 #       <ravon> 5113 ticks for 8.53333 seconds
17.16.53 #       <lostlogic> cpu boosted or not?
17.17.00 #       <ravon> ...
17.17.06 #       <lostlogic> if you didn't boost it, it wasn't boosted.
17.17.10 #       <ravon> Ok :)
17.17.13 #       <lostlogic> and if you didn't boost it then you're doing great
17.17.30 #       <lostlogic> that's 5 seconds to decode 8.5 seconds of audio unboosted, so it will not ever hafta boost to play .nsf
17.17.30 #       <ravon> Then the nosefart team are doing great.
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17.18.07 #       <ravon> Feels like a lot longer than 5 seconds when I wait though.
17.18.26 #       <lostlogic> disk spin time before you start your timer, perhaps?
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17.18.55 #       <ravon> Well, I splash "playing...", and the time from that until it exits feels like 15+ seconds
17.19.05 #       <linuxstb> lostlogic: 5113 ticks is 51 seconds...
17.19.21 #       <lostlogic> linuxstb: I suck at life.
17.19.28 #       <lostlogic> ravon: I am retarded, sorry.
17.19.44 #       <ravon> :D
17.19.50 #       <crashd> time to get optimising then ;\
17.19.57 #       <linuxstb> So boosted should be about 3 times as fast - 16 seconds?
17.20.03 #       <ravon> home, brb
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17.39.43 #       <ravon> ok, back. Removed a splash that was done every iteration.
17.39.56 #       <ravon> 3591 ticks now
17.40.37 #       <linuxstb> hehe.  Are you boosting the CPU?
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17.45.40 #       <ravon> linuxstb: nope, same code but without the rb->splash:es
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17.57.36 #       <godzirra> does rockbox not run on any creative devices?
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18.00.42 #       <windowsrefund> hello
18.01.03 #       <godzirra> howdy
18.01.28 #       <windowsrefund> I have rockbox installed and thought I'd be able to update simply by unzipping the daily build to the root of my fat32 partition
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18.01.41 #       <windowsrefund> however, "info" is still showing an old version
18.01.43 #       <windowsrefund> hi godzirra 
18.01.49 #       <godzirra> Try deleting the old folder first.
18.01.56 #       <windowsrefund> ok
18.02.00 #       <godzirra> make sure .rockbox folder is there and the other single file
18.02.02 #       <godzirra> in the main directory
18.02.03 #       <lostlogic> godzirra: not yet
18.02.04 #       <windowsrefund> and rockbox.ipod too right?
18.02.05 #       <linuxstb> godzirra: Yes, Rockbox doesn't run on any Creative devices.
18.02.05 #       <preglow> nice raw fish
18.02.29 #       <godzirra> lostlogic: not yet?  As in it is planned?
18.02.45 #       <godzirra> windowsrefund: that was it.  rockbox.ipod needs to be in the root directory
18.02.45 #       <lostlogic> there are people talking about trying to port to the M:Vision, no real work started yet
18.02.48 #       <godzirra> and then the .rockbox
18.03.07 #       <godzirra> lostlogic: ok, was just curious.   I'm not sure what I want to upgrade to.  I want a color screen, and I want it to play music.  Thats really my two requirements. ;)
18.03.26 #       <lostlogic> godzirra: nod -- that M:VIsion is beautiful, but I don't want to actually do the port to it.
18.03.30 #       <godzirra> hehe
18.03.35 #       <godzirra> Thats what I was looking at.
18.03.39 #       <windowsrefund> godzirra, ok, I removed rockbox.ipod and .rockbox
18.03.44 #       <windowsrefund> maybe it will work now
18.03.45 #       <windowsrefund> :)
18.03.48 #       <linuxstb> godzirra: I think a port to the Creative players will be unlikely, at least in the near future.  It's a completely new architecture for Rockbox, and another one with minimal documentation.
18.04.00 #       <godzirra> Ok, cool.
18.04.14 #       <windowsrefund> yea, that did it
18.05.16 #       <godzirra> awesome.
18.05.22 #       <petur> windowsrefund: when you unzip/copy to the player, make sure it overwrites files if they already exist
18.05.23 #       <godzirra> Just have to make sure you got stuff into the root directory.
18.05.32 #       <godzirra> I have a sneaking suspicion it didnt over write or oyu copied into the .rockbox folder.
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18.17.21 #       <godzirra> Hrm.  I have no idea what to get.
18.17.28 #       <godzirra> the iAudio has complaints about the controls
18.17.32 #       <godzirra> so does the Vision
18.17.37 #       <godzirra> and I dont like the ipod controls.
18.17.40 #       <godzirra> Maybe I'm too damned picky.
18.20.38 #       <windowsrefund> I can't get my ipod nano into disk mode anymore
18.20.45 #       <windowsrefund> anyone remember the key combo?
18.21.51 #       <klrspz> i've got a problem with the forums.. i click th elink in my email, and it says i'm already activated, i try to log in, it says invalid, i request for the user/pass again, it says my email is invalid... wtf
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18.31.17 #       <linuxstb> windowsrefund: MENU+SELECT to reboot, then PLAY+SELECT to enter disk mode.
18.31.36 #       <windowsrefund> cool
18.31.37 #       <windowsrefund> thanks
18.31.43 #       <klrspz> no forum helpers in here? damnit i wanna download a file
18.32.15 #       <webguest06> lostlogic : have you seen that bug I added to the wiki?
18.33.26 #       <lostlogic> webguest06: with auto dir skip? yes
18.33.39 #       <lostlogic> but I'm not going to be able to do any rockbox coding until Tuesday.
18.34.01 #       * goffa is going to suffer from withdrawl
18.34.11 #       <goffa> at least you left it in good working order before you left
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18.34.28 #       <goffa> or i'd have to send the hitman from detroit ;)
18.34.53 #       <webguest06> lostlogic : ok, just wanted to check if the information is sufficient.
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18.47.27 #       <luckz> 18:02:08 < linuxstb> godzirra: Yes, Rockbox doesn't run on any Creative devices. <- aren't those *cough* not that brilliant, technically, anyway?
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18.50.26 #       <DpK|Cronic> hi
18.50.51 #       <scott666> whats up
18.51.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> german supporter here? or anyone can help me.. i have a g5 video ipod and when i install the rockbox he gave me the error -1 when the ipod boot... :(
18.51.10 #       <DpK|Cronic> i have also a error -1 ^^
18.51.17 #       <DpK|Cronic> partition 2...
18.52.22 #       <scott666> is your drive fat32 formatted?
18.52.32 #       <DpK|Cronic> y
18.52.49 #       <DpK|Cronic> i look in explorer.. and he say fat32 ;)
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18.52.54 #       <luckz> what else would it be? not that I owned an ipod, but the ones I used looked quite.. fat.. to me.
18.53.26 #       <DpK|Cronic> ?
18.53.56 #       <scott666> most mac users have mac-formatted ipods (forget the name of it)
18.54.07 #       <luckz> HFS+?
18.54.31 #       <scott666> thats it
18.55.16 #       <Presence> scott, did you ever figure out the battery capicity of yer ipod?  
18.55.28 #       <scott666> no
18.55.35 #       <Presence> i was reading that a 5G is like less than 700mAh
18.55.43 #       <scott666> hmm
18.55.51 #       <scott666> well the options wont go under 1300
18.56.13 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 can you help me with my problem?:( or an step to sped docomention from you in qry? ^^
18.56.16 #       <scott666> so if that's the case I don't think it'll be a useful setting no matter what it's set at
18.56.19 #       <Presence> different websites (ebay!) are saying as low as 450mAh, which like, fuck, a button cell battery has more juice in it. :(
18.56.34 #       <Presence> yeah, no lower than 1300.
18.57.18 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: have you read this page? http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation
18.57.18 #       <klrspz> http://www.ipodbatteryfaq.com/
18.57.22 #       * luckz coughs at his 2250
18.57.27 #       <DpK|Cronic> yes
18.57.38 #       <scott666> i can't really tell you a whole lot more than that, I just got my ipod/rockbox the other day
18.57.46 #       <klrspz> http://ipodbatteryfaq.com/ipodbatteryandpower.html
18.58.12 #       <klrspz> i wrote a batch install for nano, which could be easily changed for any other i suppose
18.58.41 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm... can you give me the commands who i give it on?
18.59.09 #       <Presence> klrspz, that webpage is great, except for The Chart leaves the cells for 5G's batteries empty. :)
18.59.17 #       <DpK|Cronic> also cmd 1: ipodpatcher -r 2 bootpartition.bin cmd 2: ....
18.59.18 #       <DpK|Cronic> ?
18.59.22 #       <scott666> haha yeah
18.59.39 #       <scott666> the 60GB has better battery life? aweosme
18.59.50 #       <klrspz> lol, sorry
19.00.16 #       <klrspz> DpK|Cronic, it's on that site scott666, sent to you
19.00.18 #       <Presence> scott, yeah, I specifically read on Apple's website that a 60G has longer runtime due to more space in the device.
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19.00.41 #       <Presence> deeper depth for the larger HDD and thusly also battery.  yayay
19.00.51 #       <scott666> sweet. I just wanted the extra space
19.00.55 #       <Presence> ditto.
19.01.00 #       <scott666> I filled it up first shot
19.01.01 #       <Presence> what theme are you running?
19.01.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> i know klrspz but i make it false or so... i have installed it but always the error -1 :(
19.01.11 #       <klrspz> make it false?
19.01.13 #       <scott666> I have too much music :-/
19.01.16 #       <klrspz> is english your first language?
19.01.28 #       <klrspz> (not being rude, just need to know if i need to adjust my contextual referencing)
19.01.39 #       <scott666> he asked for a german earlier
19.01.54 #       <klrspz> ahh, i see
19.01.58 #       <klrspz> i don't know german
19.02.25 #       <DpK|Cronic> my speka is german :P
19.02.35 #       <scott666> Presence: were you asking me? I'm using the Rockamp theme, but I fiddled with it and made it red.
19.02.56 #       <DpK|Cronic> anyone can speak german here?
19.03.39 #       <Presence> switch (contextual_referencing) { case "german": /* doh */ }
19.03.41 #       <klrspz> don't think so
19.04.03 #       <klrspz> DpK|Cronic, what's the issue?
19.04.16 #       <Presence> scott, yeah... Rockamp is what I show to family, but I *use* Ajant blue, but gimp'd out some of the clutter.
19.04.25 #       <klrspz> i'm thinking of writing the install doc in a dynamic sense, so you don't see 5 diff devices at once
19.04.39 #       <DpK|Cronic> issue? o.ô i have a problem with boot.. error -1
19.04.57 #       <klrspz> DpK|Cronic, and do you have rockbox on your device?
19.07.26 #       <scott666> Presence: that theme definitely has clutter a-plenty :-)
19.07.56 #       <scott666> I wish I had some more graphics-editing skills or I'd make my own
19.08.40 #       <scott666> It took all the effort I had just to turn most of Rockamp reddish, and there are still parts that look really shitty.
19.08.55 #       <scott666> But maybe that's because I did it in MS Paint :-/
19.10.48 #       <Presence> mad mspaint skillz++
19.10.48 #       <klrspz> i was actually thinking of taking requests
19.11.27 #       <Presence> klrspz, Freebird!
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19.12.06 #       <scott666> hahaha
19.13.23 #       <scott666> I have to look into compiling Rockbox again
19.13.59 #       <scott666> so I can play with patches and think about writing plugins
19.14.54 #       <Presence> http://arstechnica.com/reviews/hardware/video-ipod.ars/6
19.14.56 #       <PaulJam> DpK|Cronic: did you put the .rockbox folder and the rockbox.ipod file on your ipod after installing the bootloader?
19.14.58 #       <Presence> jpegs of battery.
19.15.06 #       <klrspz> lol
19.15.13 #       <klrspz> funny, that's where i'm going to go eat
19.15.16 #       <klrspz> (freebirds)
19.15.28 #       <klrspz> scott666, that's what i'm doing
19.15.32 #       <scott666> thats hot
19.15.47 #       <scott666> ^ directed at Presence
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19.16.26 #       <klrspz> scott666, i got everything but a choice on using a SIM (which i'd need to either set up an x-server or figure out how to make SDL display on a framebuffer)
19.16.30 #       <scott666> I don't suppose there's a really cool and easy to install dev environment anymore?
19.16.36 #       <klrspz> or just copying it to my nanopod a bajillion times
19.16.54 #       <klrspz> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DevelopmentGuide
19.17.16 #       <scott666> thats where I am
19.17.17 #       <klrspz> i might install gentoo on a vmware install
19.18.39 #       <klrspz> preglow, i meant requests for WPS'
19.19.23 #       <DpK|Cronic> so back
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19.19.31 #       <DpK|Cronic> what did you say?
19.19.53 #       <klrspz> i'm going to lunch
19.20.13 #       <klrspz> if ya'll are here in about 1.5->2 hours, then so will i
19.20.26 #       <scott666> klrspz: I want something fairly dark with a red/black color theme.
19.20.32 #       <klrspz> me too
19.20.36 #       <scott666> cool
19.20.37 #       <scott666> heh
19.20.44 #       <klrspz> i have an idea that i like to use with lots of things
19.20.59 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 can you give me a personal documention? :P also can you say me the commands?
19.21.03 #       <Lear> lostlogic: seek bug in build from this morning...
19.21.11 #       <klrspz> http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/4072083/ kinda like this texture
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19.21.34 #       <Myth1> hi guys
19.21.35 #       <klrspz> DpK|Cronic, c'mon man, read the page, convert it to german or something
19.21.35 #       <godzirra> So anyone have opinions on irivers H10?
19.21.58 #       <klrspz> http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FIpodInstallation&langpair=de%7Cen&hl=en&ie=UTF8
19.22.01 #       <klrspz> DpK|Cronic ^^
19.22.06 #       <scott666> i played with one at the store; it seemed kinda shitty
19.22.11 #       <klrspz> errr whoops, wait
19.22.11 #       <godzirra> scott666: with an h10?
19.22.13 #       <godzirra> How so?
19.22.19 #       <klrspz> http://www.google.com/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rockbox.org%2Ftwiki%2Fbin%2Fview%2FMain%2FIpodInstallation&langpair=en%7Cde&hl=en&ie=UTF8
19.22.28 #       <DpK|Cronic> klrspz i have read it but error 1 always come :(
19.22.31 #       <scott666> I really don't like the touch-line thing
19.22.37 #       <godzirra> touch line?
19.22.38 #       <Myth1> any developers online? I need some background info on malloc() in codecs. Can I use it? And how much RAM is available?
19.22.50 #       <Lear> lostlogic: Resume playback of a long mp3 file (e.g., so you start one third into it). Once buffering is complete, seek back a minute or two. Notice how the drive does not spin up and that the sound played is from another file... :)
19.23.15 #       <scott666> godzirra: http://www.iriveramerica.com/prod/hd/
19.23.27 #       <Lear> myth1: the malloc that exists is a hack, because free doesn't do anything. And you currently have 512 kB.
19.23.32 #       <klrspz> DpK|Cronic, then i'll help you in about an hour
19.23.35 #       <klrspz> i'll bbl
19.23.38 #       <DpK|Cronic> ok :)
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19.23.47 #       <DpK|Cronic> good eating
19.23.48 #       <Myth1> Lear: But it works?
19.24.03 #       <Myth1> So there is no chance in getting more than 512kb from within a codec?
19.24.05 #       <godzirra> scott666: I'm reading about it now.
19.24.10 #       <Lear> myth1: however, you can free everything with a single call, e.g. when starting a new track (depending on the codec).
19.24.16 #       <godzirra> scott666: I'm reading about it now.
19.24.19 #       <godzirra> oops
19.24.21 #       <godzirra> scott666: was that the only thing you didnt like?
19.24.33 #       <scott666> That and that it's only 20GB
19.24.35 #       <lostlogic> Lear: mmhmm... start_pos for that resumed track must not get set correctly, so it thinks it is on buffer when it is not.
19.24.43 #       <Lear> myth1: you can always use large arrays/buffers that are statically declared.
19.24.46 #       <godzirra> That doesnt really tell me anything about touchline either.
19.24.52 #       <godzirra> scott666: I'm looking for a new player.  got a better recommendation?
19.24.54 #       <scott666> It's the same price as a 30GB ipod which has a way cooler screen and UI
19.25.11 #       <godzirra> I dont like the ipod ui.
19.25.16 #       <scott666> (and rockbox support)
19.25.18 #       <Myth1> Lear: I tried that, unfortunately it shows an error on combile time .bss section is too large or something like this
19.25.18 #       <godzirra> I have an ipod now and dont like it.
19.25.24 #       <Lear> myth1: several codecs do use malloc (like Tremor), so it is okay to use it (but the codec used for voice files better not).
19.25.25 #       <scott666> HW or SW?
19.25.35 #       <godzirra> I dont really like the scroll wheel.
19.25.42 #       <Lear> myth1: well, then you probably try to stuff too much data in there.
19.26.03 #       <Myth1> I need to allocate sample-ram for modplayback
19.26.25 #       <scott666> I'm not a huge fan either, but hardware wise I'm not aware of anything better than the ipod
19.26.27 #       <Myth1> 512kb would be too diiscriminating :(
19.26.44 #       <DpK|Cronic> must i download the ipodpatcher... zip too?
19.26.50 #       <scott666> I swore I'd never buy one a few years ago. Damn Apple and their making non-shitty products.
19.26.58 #       <godzirra> *sigh*  a few months ago, everyone recommended that I get something else other than the ipod.
19.27.04 #       <godzirra> now I cant get anyone to recommend anything but an ipod ;p
19.27.09 #       <crashd> heh
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19.27.15 #       <crashd> i like my 5g, especially so with rockbox on it
19.27.15 #       <lostlogic> godzirra: a few months ago rockbox support on ipod wasn't nearly as good :)
19.27.20 #       * Myth1 is pleased with his iriver h320
19.27.21 #       <Lear> well, modules (as in .mod and the like, I guess) is a bit of a special case, and might need to take over the entire codec buffer to work well. There's been some discussions about that at least.
19.27.36 #       <lostlogic> scott666: I realized that my problem with the ipod and why I made that oath was software, not hardware, so rockbox made buying one earsy
19.27.38 #       <scott666> Eveything else is shit. Seriously. This is coming from someone who's spent most his life /hating/ apple
19.27.40 #       <godzirra> lol
19.27.57 #       <Myth1> ok, i see. then we'll start with 512kb limited mods ;)
19.28.01 #       <godzirra> Myth1: but you can only get htose on ebay now right?
19.28.14 #       <lostlogic> why do .mods need so much ram?
19.28.24 #       <scott666> lostlogic: 1G-3G were overpriced crap, but the 5G is just allaround sexy
19.28.32 #       <crashd> seconded :)
19.28.46 #       <lostlogic> hehe, I also like the creative M:Vision's hardware better, but it's software even less :-\
19.29.19 #       <godzirra> the 5g what?
19.29.27 #       <lostlogic> ipoop of course
19.30.18 #       <scott666> I still don't get the Nano
19.30.31 #       <godzirra> The nano is great for some people.
19.30.34 #       <scott666> $250 for 4GB vs $300 for 30GB
19.30.40 #       <godzirra> I got my wife one because she needed something for the gym.  
19.30.44 #       <godzirra> the fact that I got it for 150 helped.
19.30.44 #       <Myth1> godzilla: I bought mine at amazon last week
19.30.45 #       <lostlogic> scott666: I said the same thing.
19.30.54 #       <scott666> Ahh, that must be it. I don't exercise
19.30.56 #       <scott666> haha
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19.30.57 #       <godzirra> lol
19.31.18 #       <godzirra> Maybe I'll just switch back to my h12.
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19.31.20 #       <godzirra> h120
19.31.32 #       <lostlogic> *shrug* I carry my 30g 5g in a pocket or a backpack when I'm skating or walking or biking
19.31.37 #       <godzirra> If I could find a small case for my H130 I'd be happy.  
19.31.41 #       <godzirra> I didnt know there was a 5g ipod.
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19.31.44 #       <lostlogic> godzirra: h120 is a hard to beat player.
19.31.45 #       <godzirra> oh
19.31.47 #       <godzirra> 5th gen.
19.32.13 #       <DpK|Cronic> ipodpatcher -w 2 rockboot.bin N= partition number or?
19.32.14 #       <thesonork> hi guys, is there any possibility to get rockbox working on a 4g Mini? (wich bootloader, rockbox to use?)
19.32.15 #       <godzirra> lostlogic: I bought a hard plastic case for mine that adds almost nothing to the size/weight.
19.32.17 #       <scott666> apple should've just called em Ipod Videos
19.32.20 #       <DpK|Cronic> ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin N= partition number or?
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19.32.30 #       <godzirra> scott666: I thought they did.  Everybody else outside this channel does :)
19.32.36 #       <lostlogic> scott666: they're just ipod _with_ video... the ipod video is next :)
19.32.38 #       <Presence> I've had my 60gig 5G for a long hard week and the apple interface for itunes and on the ipod is retardo. 
19.32.53 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 ipodpatcher -w N rockboot.bin Must i replace N for the Number of my Partition?
19.33.02 #       <godzirra> The one thing I absolutely -loved- on iTunes was the playlist generation.
19.33.06 #       <Presence> I'm pro-apple if it was pre-OS9 and with a 68k processor. :)  Apple Newton for LYFE.
19.33.09 #       <Mikachu> call them ipV and the v can be either 5 or video
19.33.16 #       <godzirra> That was the -only- thing I loved about iTuns.
19.33.21 #       <scott666> go through ipodpatcher 1, 2 ,3 etc
19.33.26 #       <scott666> one of them will be youre ipod
19.33.28 #       <scott666> use that for N
19.33.31 #       <DpK|Cronic> y kk
19.33.33 #       <scott666> (RTFM)
19.33.37 #       <godzirra> DpK|Cronic: It details that in the manual.
19.33.44 #       <DpK|Cronic> yy i know O.o
19.34.00 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm.. kk i testing
19.34.13 #       <scott666> I despise iTunes
19.34.16 #       <thesonork> so its: "no, i cant run rockbox on a 4g mini"?
19.34.19 #       <DpK|Cronic> Rockbox error: -1
19.34.21 #       <DpK|Cronic> WTF? >.<
19.34.27 #       <DpK|Cronic> Rock box boot loader
19.34.40 #       <DpK|Cronic> lala Rockbox error: -1 WTF? :(
19.34.41 #       <scott666> have you installed Rockbox?
19.34.49 #       <scott666> downloaded a CVS build and put it on your ipod?
19.35.06 #       <scott666> http://www.rockbox.org/cvs.shtml
19.35.14 #       <DpK|Cronic> yy but before i install i the rockboxx on ipod i testing it? he said it on g)
19.35.28 #       <scott666> if the bootloaded pops up
19.35.31 #       <scott666> you did it right
19.35.40 #       <scott666> *bootloader
19.36.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> ahh the error when i dont installed the rockbox is right?
19.36.31 #       <DpK|Cronic> and then unzipp the roclbox.ipod an the .rockbox direction on my ipod right?
19.36.45 #       <scott666> right
19.37.07 #       <scott666> and then reboot and you should have rockbox
19.37.11 #       <DpK|Cronic> kk
19.37.11 #       <DpK|Cronic> y
19.37.19 #       <DpK|Cronic> i hope it..
19.37.23 #       <DpK|Cronic> so i testing it yet
19.37.26 #       <DpK|Cronic> now
19.37.36 #       <scott666> can someone help me install Doom? I feel like an idiot because the instruction are simple and yet it still won't work
19.37.54 #       <scott666> i've got rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad in /games/doom/
19.37.59 #       <DpK|Cronic> yeah its gone :)
19.38.22 #       <godzirra> scott666: I coudlnt get it to work in my ipod either.
19.38.24 #       <DpK|Cronic> are they have not a grafik display? only text?
19.38.40 #       <DpK|Cronic> you speaking from themes scott666 ?
19.38.41 #       <Mikachu> scott666: and what happens?
19.38.50 #       <scott666> Doom hangs
19.38.54 #       <scott666> now
19.39.00 #       <Mikachu> and it says what?
19.39.07 #       <scott666> it used to be that I'd get some error and then hex
19.39.10 #       <scott666> Data Error Aport
19.39.13 #       <Ribs> okay... slight issue with rockbox today
19.39.15 #       <scott666> *Abort
19.39.17 #       <Ribs> was walking home just now
19.39.26 #       <Ribs> it started playing a song, everything was great
19.39.40 #       <scott666> Now Doom just gives a black screen and does nothing, and then I manually reboot my ipod cause I'm impatient
19.39.44 #       <Ribs> got to around 20 seconds into the song, then skipped the majority of it, and started playing the end of it ...
19.39.47 #       <Ribs> anyone else had that?
19.40.00 #       <Presence> url to .mp3 for us to test.
19.40.46 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 can i load gfx themes on my ipod video with color?
19.40.53 #       <scott666> yes
19.41.02 #       <Presence> on the other hand, I'm running last night's build and have been playing for the last 5 hours and not a single issue with playback.
19.41.08 #       <DpK|Cronic> cool can you give me the site to it? and the documention?
19.41.25 #       <scott666> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
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19.41.49 #       <DpK|Cronic> what plugins you use?
19.42.34 #       <DpK|Cronic> and what theme you use?
19.42.34 #       <amiconn> lostlogic: On my ride home, I got a hard freeze when trying to resume :(
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19.42.57 #       <thesonork> guys can u please help me? did anyone even read what i wrote?
19.43.19 #       <goffa> rockbox work on the h140?
19.43.41 #       <amiconn> Wps appeared, but only displayed the filename, and playtime 0:00/0:00 Playlist position & length were correct
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19.44.04 #       <goffa> guess so
19.44.28 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 can you give me your theme?
19.44.40 #       <scott666> my customized one?
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19.44.48 #       <scott666> it's kinda shitty, are you sure you want ti?
19.44.57 #       <DpK|Cronic> y
19.45.06 #       <thesonork> is there any possibility to get rockbox working on a 4gb Ipod Mini? (wich bootloader, rockbox to use?)
19.45.18 #       <Lear> Ribs: seen something similar. Not quite that large skip, but...
19.45.40 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 what is "kinda" ? ^^ ehm and yes i would it ;)
19.45.50 #       <Ribs> oh good, not just me then :)
19.45.58 #       <Ribs> I've had it skip a few seconds before
19.46.03 #       <Ribs> but I assumed it was me being dumb
19.46.53 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: KInda meeaning don't look too closely at it cause I did it in MS Paint 
19.47.51 #       <DpK|Cronic> ahh ^^ kk also is your theme = SHIT? ^^
19.48.02 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 or not good? :P
19.48.05 #       <amiconn> Bagder: around?
19.48.41 #       <goffa> anyone use an h140? how does it compare to a 340?
19.50.07 #       <ep0ch> goffa: less colours
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19.50.22 #       <goffa> that's it?
19.50.23 #       <PaulJam> i don't think there are many differences, the h3x0 has a color display and USB-OTG and the h1x0 has optical line in/out
19.50.38 #       <goffa> sweet
19.50.44 #       <ep0ch> ihp-1x0 is thinner too
19.50.55 #       <goffa> cool.. what about battery?
19.50.56 #       <goffa> same?
19.51.08 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: not complete shit. /I'm/ using it. It's just really not ready for the general public, because under any scrutiny you can tell  it's shit
19.51.18 #       <Moos> anyone know one windows way to convert .ttf font to .bdf one?
19.51.27 #       <amiconn> goffa: H140 has the better case, s/pdif in/out, and the b/w lcd is readable without backlight.
19.51.48 #       <ep0ch> goffa: with rockbox battery on h3x0 is bad at the moment, stock firmware is ok
19.51.52 #       <PaulJam> with rockbox h3x0 has a worse batteryperformance
19.51.53 #       <DpK|Cronic> ^^ the funktion is good but the gfx is shit ? i can good design.. can you send it to me pls?
19.52.00 #       <amiconn> But I personally dislike the joystick, and the placement of the buttons on more than one face
19.52.07 #       <goffa> sweet
19.52.10 #       <ep0ch> i like the joystick
19.52.14 #       <goffa> because h140's are cheaper on ebay
19.52.15 #       <ep0ch> i love my ihp-120
19.52.18 #       <goffa> than the 340
19.52.21 #       <goffa> and more readily available
19.52.23 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: I tried, it didnt seem to start though. I'm looking for a webhost.
19.52.39 #       <ep0ch> best thing i ever bought period
19.52.42 #       <DpK|Cronic> ahh kk
19.52.43 #       <goffa> i use a monochrome wps on my x5 anyway
19.52.56 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 can you give me tips for good plugins? :)
19.52.59 #       <goffa> and i like my x5
19.53.04 #       <scott666> Try them all
19.53.07 #       <goffa> i think 140 would compare
19.53.20 #       <scott666> Jewels and Space Rocks are pretty cool though
19.53.39 #       <DpK|Cronic> ^^ kk are you have the link to the list?
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19.53.56 #       <Moos> goffa: I've got both h140 and X5 and those 2 rocks :)
19.54.25 #       <goffa> cool
19.54.31 #       <goffa> what do you like better Moos?
19.54.40 #       <thesonork> mhhhhh
19.54.44 #       <Moos> depend in wich front
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19.54.58 #       <goffa> what do you mean?
19.55.15 #       <Moos> goffa: the subpack for X5 sucks, it's the thing I don't like much on X5
19.55.24 #       <goffa> yeah... i agree
19.55.25 #       <Moos> for recording h140 is the better
19.55.41 #       <thesonork> damn, gotta use the AppleIpod software now again :-\
19.55.44 #       <Moos> but I prefer the X5 joystic to the h1xx one
19.55.46 #       <goffa> x5 record in rockbox?
19.55.52 #       <Moos> not yet
19.56.05 #       <goffa> didn't think so
19.56.16 #       <goffa> but wanted to make sure i wasnt missing something
19.56.25 #       <Moos> but using sibpack for record sucks too
19.56.30 #       <Moos> subpack
19.56.37 #       <goffa> yeah
19.56.53 #       <goffa> well i was using built in mic with OF on x5
19.56.53 #       <Moos> they probably wanted to make the player as tiny as possible
19.57.04 #       <goffa> for my drumming.. just to monitor myself
19.57.10 #       <Moos> : )
19.57.21 #       <goffa> brb... gotta go back to work
19.57.24 #       <Moos> c you
19.57.32 #       <luckz> Moos: supback?
19.57.42 #       <thesonork> is there any ipod-os that just works with a 4GB ipod mini? would need it, using linux on my pc, and those itunes-clones do not like my ipod....
19.57.43 #       <luckz> mean the thingie for power and usb?
19.57.51 #       <Moos> yeah :(
19.57.54 #       <Moos> and record
19.58.01 #       <luckz> thesonork: how many minis are there?
19.58.05 #       <Moos> we depend too much on this thing
19.58.11 #       <luckz> what's the problem with using rockbox, thesonork?
19.58.31 #       <thesonork> no problem using it, just a problem finding the right rockbox version >_>
19.58.36 #       <luckz> how so?
19.58.48 #       <thesonork> cuz theres 1 for 1g,2g,and 3g minis but not for 4g
19.58.57 #       <luckz> ..4G or 4GB?
19.58.59 #       <thesonork> and the one i used seems not to work so far
19.59.03 #       <Moos> question 2nd try: is anyone know how to convert .ttf font to .bdf one please? :)
19.59.25 #       <amiconn> thesonork: Seems you're confusing G (generation) with GB
19.59.31 #       <thesonork> 4GB = 2nd generation , right?
19.59.42 #       <amiconn> There are only 2 generatins of the mini
19.59.45 #       <Mikachu> the size is not related to the generation
19.59.51 #       <thesonork> x(
19.59.55 #       <amiconn> 2nd gen have the capacity engraved on the back
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20.00.06 #       <thesonork> written on the back
20.00.09 #       <thesonork> not engraved
20.00.16 #       <amiconn> myes
20.00.28 #       <thesonork> so 2nd generationw as right, ... still does not work
20.00.34 #       <mikolas> my ipod finally got rockbox in it
20.00.57 #       <Moos> congrates
20.01.02 #       <thesonork> when my ipod is "booting" i jsut get that awful folder icon on the screen 
20.01.15 #       <thesonork> with that apple support link below
20.01.17 #       <Mikachu> then you Did Something Wrong [tm]
20.01.37 #       <thesonork> humm
20.01.54 #       <mikolas> is there a reason why over 32 megs of memory will break it? if you manually define 64m in the makefile as the 60gb model has this amount of memory. i get codec errors all the time, everything is ok w/ 32m in the makefile.
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20.02.28 #       <Bagder> mikolas: yes, since only changing that is not enough
20.02.33 #       <mikolas> ok
20.02.38 #       <amiconn> mikolas: Did you unzip the full package to your ipod after redefining the memory amount and rebuilding?
20.02.44 #       <mikolas> of course
20.02.54 #       <amiconn> Better still, do a make clean; make && make zip
20.03.09 #       <mikolas> bagder, is there a wiki entry or some docs on what has to be changed?
20.03.20 #       <Bagder> I don't think so
20.03.34 #       <Bagder> but I figure that define and the .lds files are the ones to edit
20.03.47 #       <mikolas> ok, i'll take a look at it
20.03.55 #       <amiconn> Bagder: I think we should replace the 1G, 2G ... with 1st gen,  2nd gen ...
20.04.14 #       <amiconn> There was quite some confusion related to that, especially for mini
20.04.19 #       <Bagder> yes
20.04.29 #       <amiconn> ..and btw, the mini 1st gen is still missing on the frontpage
20.06.52 #       <Myth1> Lear: Concerning the malloc(): How do I free the malloced buffer for the next track load?
20.06.54 #       <goffa> back
20.07.20 #       <Lear> To use the malloc, you first need to initialize it. Just do that again.
20.07.32 #       <Myth1> ok, then how do I initialize it? ;)
20.07.49 #       <mikearthur> guys, I may need to learn C for a summer job
20.08.06 #       <Lear> And the call in question is codec_init (had to look it up)...
20.08.14 #       <mikearthur> I've got a lot of experience with Java, but need to learn the memory management science
20.08.17 #       <mikearthur> any tips?
20.08.32 #       <mikearthur> also, on that note, if I want to learn C and C++, which should I learn first?
20.08.41 #       <dpassen1> C
20.09.49 #       <Myth1> Lear: OK, thanks for the info
20.10.48 #       <lostlogic> amiconn: :(
20.12.08 #       <DpK|Cronic> where i must input my music? XD
20.12.55 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: wherever you like.
20.13.05 #       <DpK|Cronic> and then? o.o
20.13.26 #       <scott666> you play it
20.13.47 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmzzz ^^ kk
20.13.53 #       <thesonork> ok now i got the bootloader working but rockbox isn't
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20.14.31 #       <DpK|Cronic> what plugins do you have on your ipod scott666 ?`
20.14.49 #       <scott666> all the ones that come with it
20.15.05 #       <scott666> look in .rockbox/rocks/
20.15.13 #       <Moos> thesonork: did you dowloaded the CVS build?
20.15.33 #       <thesonork> sure
20.15.40 #       <thesonork> and cpied it to dev/sda2
20.15.53 #       <DpK|Cronic> ahhh the plugbox?
20.15.57 #       * amiconn is trying to narrow down the crash with sh-elf-gcc 3.4.x -Os
20.16.02 #       <_klrspz> DpK|Cronic, did you get it working?
20.16.06 #       <thesonork> rockbox error -4
20.16.10 #       <thesonork> is the output
20.16.11 #       <DpK|Cronic> yes :D
20.16.18 #       <_klrspz> DpK|Cronic, what was the issue?
20.16.20 #       <DpK|Cronic> i have install the false version !
20.16.32 #       <_klrspz> wrong device?
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20.16.43 #       <DpK|Cronic> nope wrong version !
20.16.52 #       <KlrSpz> that's what i meant, sorry
20.17.18 #       <DpK|Cronic> ^^ np
20.17.28 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm.. how i can play doom on it ? O:o
20.17.58 #       <DpK|Cronic> KlrSpz can you say me what theme u use?
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20.19.18 #       <KlrSpz> right now i use: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpodNano#iPod_Vision_Nano
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20.19.24 #       <KlrSpz> i'm in the works of designing my own though
20.20.06 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm.. oh you have a ipod nano :( i have a video
20.20.33 #       <KlrSpz> i see
20.20.41 #       <KlrSpz> i can't find ou tabou tthe toolbar exactly
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20.21.27 #       <DpK|Cronic> and what plugins you use?
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20.22.25 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm.. i will use the http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsIpod5g ipod green 5g what must i make?
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20.23.55 #       <thesonork> ow damnit
20.24.04 #       <thesonork> why the holy hell is my ipod now Read only lol
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20.25.34 #       <KlrSpz> DpK|Cronic, i don't really use a whole lot of plugins, i deleted most in fact
20.25.58 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm ...
20.26.18 #       <KlrSpz> http://pastebin.com/683485
20.26.21 #       <KlrSpz> those are the ones i kept
20.26.23 #       <DpK|Cronic> i need a simple menu ^^ and how i can listen music with it? XD and how i must music in it?
20.26.27 #       <scott666> I like playing the old archos plugins on my ipod. It has the same nostalgic feel as playing DOS games.
20.26.49 #       <amiconn> wtf....
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20.27.10 #       <amiconn> gcc 3.4.x misinterprets #pragma interrupt  when optimsising...
20.27.37 #       <amiconn> It compiles _all_ subsequent functions as interrupt handlers, not only the following one
20.27.39 #       <KlrSpz> DpK|Cronic, what do you mean?
20.28.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> what must i make to listen music with the rockbox?^^
20.28.09 #       <amiconn> ...and obviously, RTE is not the same as RTS -> bad crash
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20.28.37 #       <amiconn> Anyway, function attributes are better than #pragma, so that should be changed
20.30.33 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: Have you seen the manual? You might enjoy reading it
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20.31.26 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm i reading it now o.o^
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20.33.25 #       <DpK|Cronic> i dont find it ^^
20.35.53 #       <KlrSpz> DpK|Cronic, it is based off a file tree, so just make a dir called Songs or whatever it is in german, and dump your mp3's/oggs/etc in there
20.38.19 #       <preglow> artrggh
20.38.38 #       <preglow> do we need to include the directions for use in the pitch screen, or what
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20.39.50 #       <amiconn> w0000t
20.39.55 #       <ep0ch> does the quick menu?
20.40.36 #       <amiconn> preglow: Changing all  #pragma interrupt  to  blahfn __attribute__((interrupt_handler));   fixes the hard crash with gcc 3.4.x and -Os on archos
20.40.51 #       <amiconn> ...and the best thing is that doing so saves another ~500 bytes
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20.41.05 #       * preglow isn't a fan of #pragma
20.41.27 #       * petur looks for some code to fill up the 500 byte gap
20.41.59 #       * amiconn slaps petur
20.42.23 #       * petur expected that and ducked before the slapping :P
20.42.24 #       <amiconn> preglow: Me neither, but that's what it was in several places
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20.43.25 #       <webguest73> hardeep, are you still interested in the playlist catalog feature ?
20.44.02 #       <tf4> Is there a decent itunes replacement for rockbox?
20.44.17 #       <webguest73> yes, explorer
20.44.26 #       <tf4> OR is there a way to still use itunes for my new rockbox?
20.44.38 #       <tf4> i dont like the file menuing system :(
20.44.51 #       <webguest73> use tagcache
20.45.22 #       <tf4> ok does that create a id3 database that rockbox can read?
20.45.49 #       <webguest73> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache
20.46.24 #       <tf4> yeah im reading it now....  So do I run this on my current ipod_control folder??
20.46.40 #       <Myth1> ahh. mod is playing fine in the simulator ;)
20.47.01 #       <goffa> hmm... i think i did ok there... got a h140 for $197
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20.48.16 #       * amiconn is listening to music and running plugins with a gcc 3.4.6 -Os build on his recorder :-)
20.48.41 #       <webguest73> tf4, read 'Using Tag Cache'
20.49.10 #       <amiconn> Need to check whether the interrupt_handler change doesn't break on gcc 3.3.x, then commit, and prepare the gcc patch
20.50.34 #       <amiconn> With gcc 3.4.6 and -Os, we'll get rombox back for fmr and recv2. >8KB below limit...
20.50.41 #       <tf4> are there any other sites on the net that have cool ipod video themes other than on rockbox's website?
20.51.05 #       <tf4> most of the themes - the fonts are too small for me, im old and have bad eyesite ;)
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20.51.24 #       <webguest73> well you can change the font
20.53.01 #       <preglow> amiconn: so, which of the solutions to the jump table problem did you implement?
20.53.02 #       <webguest73> tf4, go to > general settings > display > browse fonts
20.53.25 #       <goffa> well.. paid... now the wait begins
20.53.33 #       <amiconn> preglow: The simple one. I have no idea where the instruction generation takes place...
20.54.28 #       <amiconn> It seems there's _no_ other platform that uses this .unsigned flag... I searched for it...
20.55.06 #       <preglow> amiconn: tried asking the gcc people if this is due to negligence or an old backend?
20.55.09 #       <preglow> i suspect the last
20.55.15 #       <webguest73> tf4, or you can create your own wps, with custom font, go here for more info   http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
20.55.52 #       <tf4> yeah i might make my own...it will be fun
20.56.11 #       <tf4> i really dig the brushed, i changed the font but now i lost stuff on the screen :(
20.56.21 #       <tf4> the brushed metal is so cool looking
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20.56.37 #       <webguest73> yes you need to play around with the spacing a bit
20.57.14 #       <amiconn> preglow: No I didn't ask the gcc people
20.57.58 #       <amiconn> Don't feel a strong inclination to do so either...
20.59.49 #       <preglow> *shrug*
20.59.59 #       <preglow> it's a bug, and it would be fun if it got fixed
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21.00.29 #       <petur> well if nobody tells them about their stupid bugs, how will they ever fix them?
21.00.35 #       <amiconn> It won't be fixed in any version we can use, as the 3.4 branch is closed...
21.00.45 #       <preglow> we're not the only people on this planet
21.00.45 #       <petur> oh
21.00.55 #       <preglow> not that i think anyone else uses the sh port..
21.01.14 #       <ep0ch> anyone know of a reliable ftp client that can handle a queue of 250,000 files?
21.01.35 #       <Presence> tf4, http://wps.rockbox-lounge.com/   <-- a couple more wps packages for ipod video
21.02.38 #       <amiconn> petur: Thing is, I told them of 2 bugs already. They prefer to ignore them...
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21.02.45 #       <Presence> So, for shits, I read the RockBox manual just now.  
21.02.53 #       <Presence> Its a really good read.
21.03.05 #       <Presence> I had no idea I was using RockBox "right", but I was.
21.03.12 #       <Presence> yay for it being that damn intuitive!
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21.04.56 #       <amiconn> Maybe I'll still file a report, but I don't have much hope that it will help anything :-/
21.05.03 #       <preglow> amiconn: yeah, but this time you've got a solution
21.05.14 #       <amiconn> preglow: A partial solution...
21.05.21 #       <preglow> beats nothing
21.05.52 #       <lostlogic> can I edit the manual in vi?
21.05.58 #       <preglow> why not
21.05.59 #       <preglow> ?
21.06.00 #       <preglow> i do
21.06.16 #       <lostlogic> hmm, ok
21.06.20 #       <petur> I'm adding a HZ/10 sleep between lcd_enable and backlight_on for H300 to get rid of the flash when using dark backgrounds. it looks enough to me - any objections before i commit?
21.06.27 #       <amiconn> Actually, there are 2 bugs. The second one is the  #pragma interrupt
21.06.27 #       * lostlogic checks it out and fixes the crossfade section
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21.06.49 #       <preglow> amiconn: that certainly won't be fixed
21.06.57 #       <pixelma> is the one here who created the bigger cards in the solitaire plugin?
21.06.59 #       <amiconn> Why not?
21.07.10 #       <preglow> you don't have a solution :)
21.07.18 #       <amiconn> mrf :(
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21.07.32 #       <preglow> i can't possibly see anyone of the gcc people looking for solution for sh-gcc
21.07.33 #       <preglow> no way
21.07.39 #       <preglow> they're only interested in powerpc and x86
21.07.52 #       <carini> lostlogic: You around?
21.08.01 #       <amiconn> I don't think this is sh specific
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21.08.31 #       <amiconn> Maybe it's already fixed in 4.x, dunno
21.09.54 #       <amiconn> Hmm, actually I should check the 4.x sources. Maybe the jumptable bug is fixed there...
21.10.14 #       <amiconn> That would be ironic...
21.10.38 #       * amiconn uses too many ellipses...
21.10.42 #       <Mikachu> yes...
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21.11.44 #       <lostlogic> carini: vaguely.
21.11.46 #       <pixelma> I wonder if the current solitaire plugin has been tested on Archos devices - because on the small display it is almost not playable
21.12.11 #       <pixelma> it was better before
21.12.37 #       <carini> lostlogic: I just had the "resume on startup" problem. I can't seem to reproduce it with logf enabled, although I did get one instance where it dropped back to the file browser. The logf had a message "Buffering track:0/0".
21.13.22 #       * amiconn goes cvs log hunting
21.13.33 #       <lostlogic> carini: apparently that bug needs to be moved back to the "need fixing" category.  feel free to do so.
21.13.57 #       <bleaked> ok, so i enabled tagcache..uploaded an album, tested it, it worked great.  so i plugged my device back in, filled the 2Gb drive, unmounted, rebooted the device, rockbox loaded, and now there's been a "Loading..." on the screen for over 20 minutes.  also, tagcahce is configured to load into RAM.  should it take this long?  the wiki says 5-10 minutes.
21.14.59 #       <bleaked> the LCD still glows when i touch the scroll wheel, so it still seems "responsive"
21.15.32 #       <Mikachu> that's handled in interrupts, so it almost always works, even if everything is crashed
21.17.21 #       <preglow> amiconn: doubt it's fixed
21.18.17 #       <bleaked> well, is there a way i can bypass this thing from loading the cache?  (i sort of need to go soon, and would like some tunes)
21.19.25 #       <Lear> delete/move/rename the tagcache files in .rockbox.
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21.20.27 #       <npsken> does any version of Rockbox support the gmini 120?
21.20.47 #       <linuxstb> Nope.
21.20.52 #       * npsken cries
21.21.07 #       <petur> start a port?
21.21.09 #       <linuxstb> It's an opportunity...
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21.21.21 #       * linuxstb apologies for the ellipses
21.21.26 #       <npsken> what about starting a port?
21.21.40 #       <amiconn> pixelma: It seems tha the bigger cards were introduced with the adjustment to colour, made by Paprica and committed by LinusN on 20 Dec 2005
21.21.51 #       <linuxstb> A port was started, but it's abandoned.
21.21.57 #       <npsken> why?
21.22.15 #       <linuxstb> I'm guessing the only developer lost interest.  No current developers own one.
21.22.40 #       <amiconn> pixelma: This needs to be fixed before the 3.0 release... looks really nasty. Didn't notice it earlier, tss
21.22.42 #       <npsken> I own one, but I guess I'm not a developer, I just know a little programming, like php and mysql
21.23.10 #       * npsken will go away now
21.23.11 #       <npsken> bye
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21.23.30 #       <pixelma> I haven't played solitaire for a while so i didn't realised it earlier either
21.24.17 #       <pixelma> amiconn: for the next release you could take the older version for Archos
21.24.36 #       <amiconn> Yes, the old cardset can be readded for archos.
21.25.09 #       <amiconn> I think we should go for the proper solution and convert the cardsets to bmp. Makes it easier to add more sets for the various screen resolutions
21.25.36 #       <amiconn> You could also try to pixel better ones ;)
21.25.40 #       <pixelma> sounds good
21.25.58 #       <pixelma> i surely would go for that
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21.28.48 #       <linuxstb> Looking at the solitaire source, it seems that there is just one set of bitmaps - but not the full cards, just the elements that make up the card, such as the numbers and suit symbols.
21.29.04 #       <amiconn> linuxstb: Yes, but check the changes for v 1.20
21.29.14 #       <amiconn> The symbols were much smaller before
21.29.25 #       <amiconn> ..and the cardsize definitions too
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21.30.08 #       <amiconn> This is what I call hiding one change within another. The commit msg says nothing about changed sizes...
21.30.15 #       <linuxstb> That doesn't surprise me.  Could we just re-insert those?  It seems nice to have card components that are suitable for a range of LCD sizes - but maybe we need at least two sizes.
21.30.59 #       <amiconn> Yes we could just reinsert them, but I think it's a good opportunity for adapting solitaire to your bmp build system
21.31.16 #       <amiconn> In fact it's already partially adapted
21.32.01 #       <linuxstb> Yes, I did that at some point.
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21.34.27 #       <Lear> Anyone who knows what libssp in gcc is?
21.34.33 #       <Lear> (Just being curious...)
21.35.02 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: OK, I'll add solitaire to my list of things to do unless you have an overwhelming desire to do it.
21.35.24 #       <bleaked> Lear. so i deleted all of the tagcache files, restarted teh device, and now it's loading again..do you think it will work, or is it just going to hang again?
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21.36.42 #       <Lear> It certainly won't hang if you don't initiate a new tagcache build (but maybe it works if you do try again...).
21.37.35 #       <bleaked> Lear. well, that's just it..i'm not initiating it..it's "Loading..." on boot..i cannot do anything..i cannot even access rockbox to even turn it off..
21.37.50 #       <Lear> Loading what?
21.38.18 #       <bleaked> i see the status bar, the rockbox logo, and a yellow box with bold lettering that says, "Loading..."
21.38.27 #       <bleaked> ever time i boot the device
21.38.35 #       <bleaked> and this was ever since i enabled tagcache
21.38.45 #       <Lear> Sounds like it tries to resume something. Resume set to auto?
21.39.01 #       <bleaked> yea, i have resume playback on
21.39.06 #       <bleaked> and come to think of it
21.39.16 #       <bleaked> the song it was last playing has since been deleted.
21.39.29 #       <Lear> Ouch, sounds like a bad bug... :/
21.39.35 #       <bleaked> so perhaps this is not even a tagcache problem?
21.39.52 #       <bleaked> can i manually edit a config file from my pc to turn it off?
21.40.11 #       <amiconn> bleaked: Try resetting the settings on boot. This should also kill the resume position
21.40.14 #       <Lear> Nope, you'll have to force a setting reset on boot.
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21.40.35 #       <bleaked> ok, what's the protocol to do such a thing?
21.40.46 #       <amiconn> bleaked: ipod or iriver?
21.40.54 #       <bleaked> pod
21.41.11 #       <amiconn> Switch on Hold _immediately_ after powering on
21.41.37 #       <bleaked> ah, very nice
21.41.40 #       <bleaked> thank you, sir
21.42.45 #       <Presence> I learned about the hold switch clearing sector 61 yesterday!
21.43.36 #       <bleaked> so yea..i guess if one has resume on startup turned on, then pauses a song, then decides to change the music on the device, it will lock up on next boot.
21.44.05 #       <bleaked> at least ostensibly
21.44.13 #       <bleaked> i will test this further when i have more time.
21.46.14 #       <sharpe> allo
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21.48.00 #       <Lear> He, lots of warnings from gcc 4.1.0... :)
21.49.37 #       <amiconn> Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
21.49.55 #       * amiconn just found that the unsigned byte jumptable _should_ work
21.50.19 #       <amiconn> It's just neither a .c nor a .h file where this is checked
21.50.26 #       <amiconn> It's in sh.md
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21.52.41 #       <DpK|Cronic> hi
21.52.45 #       <DpK|Cronic> can anyone help me with doom?
21.52.46 #       <DpK|Cronic> pls?
21.52.57 #       <DpK|Cronic> the documention are not good :P
21.53.13 #       <DpK|Cronic> he say the base wad failed? or is not loaded
21.54.24 #       <scott666> copy rockdoom.wad to /games/doom
21.55.38 #       <DpK|Cronic> rocks/games/doom or?
21.56.26 #       <DpK|Cronic> G:\.rockbox\rocks\games\doom right?
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21.56.58 #       <midgey34> G:/games/doom
21.56.59 #       <PaulJam> no, in the root of your player: G:\games\doom
21.57.36 #       <DpK|Cronic> ahh kk
21.59.23 #       <ep0ch> i hope that gets changed for 3.0
22.00.34 #       <midgey34> I vote for /.rockbox/doom
22.00.45 #       <DpK|Cronic> when i loaded in the folder they can not play it
22.00.48 #       <ep0ch> maybe use a /.rockbox/3rdparty/ and in there have doom, pacman, themes etc
22.00.59 #       <PaulJam> or .rockbox/rocks/doom
22.01.07 #       <Mikachu> .rockbox shouldn't be for user data imo
22.01.21 #       <DpK|Cronic> when i browse the game/doom folder he not show me the .wad files !
22.01.39 #       <midgey34> browse plugins, select doom
22.01.44 #       <midgey34> not in the browser
22.01.47 #       <PaulJam> DpK|Cronic: open the plugin from the menu
22.02.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> from the "open with" ?
22.02.26 #       <DpK|Cronic> also i have it in G:\game\doom
22.02.30 #       <midgey34> no, go to browse plugins
22.02.34 #       <PaulJam> in the main menu select "zeige plugins"
22.02.35 #       <Lear> But isn't rockboy files in .rockbox?
22.02.39 #       <DpK|Cronic> then i make my ipod on they show me root and game
22.02.43 #       <DpK|Cronic> i klick on game/doom
22.02.53 #       <midgey34> Lear: rockboy is a viewer so no
22.02.54 #       <DpK|Cronic> paul can speak german?
22.02.55 #       <Myth1> I need a quick hint: If I compile my new codec for iriver I get the following error: "/home/sinsch/src/rockbox/rockbox/apps/codecs/mod.c:563: undefined reference to `strncmp'", what did I miss?
22.03.31 #       <Myth1> compiles fine on the simulator though
22.03.37 #       <Lear> must call through codec api, unless there's a macro hiding that.
22.03.38 #       <PaulJam> yes
22.03.45 #       <Lear> probably not the case for strncmp...
22.04.05 #       <Myth1> so how can I fix this?
22.04.13 #       <freqmod> prefix with rb->
22.04.24 #       <Lear> Should be ci-> in a codec...
22.04.43 #       <DpK|Cronic> paul ich hab das in den root ornder gesteckt wie jetzt weiter?
22.04.57 #       <Myth1> ci->strncmp()?
22.05.00 #       <DpK|Cronic> im normalen "anfangs display" zeigt er mir ordner an nur die wad nich
22.05.37 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: yes
22.06.06 #       <Myth1> ok, thanks. I guess the same goes for malloc
22.06.07 #       <PaulJam> DpK|Cronic: press the button that brings you to the main menu (i don't know which one it is on ipod)
22.06.08 #       <Lear> In the end, it depends on what you call the codec_api pointer...
22.06.24 #       <Mikachu> since when does rockbox have malloc?
22.06.36 #       <DpK|Cronic> ok und dann?
22.06.54 #       <Lear> Only for codecs.
22.06.59 #       <Lear> And it is a hack...
22.07.03 #       <Mikachu> ah
22.07.14 #       <PaulJam> then select "zeige plugins / browse plugins" and press select
22.07.33 #       <DpK|Cronic> jo habsch
22.07.39 #       <DpK|Cronic> dann doom
22.07.40 #       <DpK|Cronic> ne?
22.07.40 #       <freqmod> the doom plugin, does not it have a more complete malloc? Z_Zone.c?
22.07.42 #       <Myth1> hmm, structure has no member strncmp
22.08.00 #       <Mikachu> then maybe the codec api doesn't give you strncmp
22.08.00 #       <DpK|Cronic> aber dann sagt er missing base wad
22.08.02 #       <DpK|Cronic> !
22.08.14 #       <midgey34> did you copy rockdoom.wad?
22.08.25 #       <Myth1> ok, then I skip the check ;)
22.08.25 #       <scott666> I've copied rockdoom.wad and doom1. wad into I:\games\doom\ but when i run the Doom plugin I just get a black screen.
22.08.25 #       <DpK|Cronic> too?
22.08.29 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: there is only strncasecmp for some reason
22.08.38 #       <DpK|Cronic> O.o
22.08.38 #       <amiconn> Myth1: codec malloc() does _not_ need ci-> since it's not a core function
22.08.42 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: and strcmp
22.09.47 #       <Lear> And malloc is called codec_malloc.
22.09.50 #       <Myth1> ok, strncasecmp works fine. Is this case sensitive or not?
22.10.02 #       <Mikachu> sens
22.10.35 #       <Mikachu> if you need strncmp i guess you either need to add it to /firmware/common or internally in the codec
22.10.43 #       <DpK|Cronic> PaulJam ?
22.11.02 #       <DpK|Cronic> PaulJam also ich hab das jetzt drin in dem dingens ordner nur wenn ich den unter plugins starte sagt er immer noch "base wad failed"
22.11.07 #       <Myth1> strncasecmp should suffice
22.11.11 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: or maybe it's just not exported
22.11.24 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: you can try adding it to apps/codecs.c (and .h?)
22.11.39 #       <PaulJam> moment (telefon)
22.11.52 #       <Lear> strncmp exist in the core.
22.11.59 #       <Mikachu> then it's just not exported
22.12.07 #       <Myth1> strncmp works fine in getmetadata, so I really wonder whats going on here
22.12.33 #       <DpK|Cronic> PaulJam kannsu schneller machen? +g+ muss glecih off..
22.12.56 #       <Myth1> anyway, it now compiles. Lets find out if it also works ;)
22.12.58 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: for the sim, the linker will probably fall back on libc for strncmp
22.13.35 #       <Lear> codec (or plugin) need to go through the api to access functions in the Rockbox core. Makes them less dependent on exact version of Rockbox.
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22.17.05 #       <PaulJam> DpK|Cronic: do you have the files G:\games\doom\rockdoom.wad and G:\games\doom\doom1.wad on your player
22.17.17 #       <DpK|Cronic> yes !
22.17.34 #       <DpK|Cronic> all other doom files can i delete?
22.17.52 #       <PaulJam> then i have no idea what is wrong, sorry
22.18.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm... :/
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22.19.08 #       <Myth1> damn, i have to reboot, my automount screwed it up
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22.19.20 #       <scott666> PaulJam: 00I've copied rockdoom.wad and doom1. wad into I:\games\doom\ but when i run the Doom plugin I just get a black screen.01 Any thoughts?
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22.20.21 #       <midgey34> DpK|Cronic: what happens when you load doom from the plugin menu?
22.21.01 #       <DpK|Cronic> the sayed "Missing base wad"
22.21.16 #       <scott666> odnt listen to him; listen to me
22.21.33 #       <scott666> i have to go to work and show everyone how cool rockbox is
22.21.34 #       <scott666> heh
22.21.46 #       <DpK|Cronic> midgey34 but i have the rock and the doom1.wad in the G:/games/doom folder !
22.22.18 #       <PaulJam> maybe the rockdoom.wad file is broken, you could try redownloading it
22.23.35 #       <scott666> ive done that several times
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22.25.52 #       <DpK|Cronic> i have it but the same failer :(
22.25.52 #       <midgey34> hmm, well I don't have any problems here, and its working fine on the ipod 5g sim
22.25.55 #       <petur> any objections that I close tasks 4752 and 4883 regarding usb insertion during playback (WPS screen)? My h300 does everything ok.
22.25.56 #       <DpK|Cronic> base wad failed >.<
22.26.12 #       <midgey34> have you tried restarting your player?
22.27.17 #       <DpK|Cronic> y
22.28.04 #       <scott666> DpK|Cronic: did you say you had the .rock file in X:\games\doom?
22.28.06 #       <midgey34> I can't think or why it wouldn't be working; I'm just throwing out ideas
22.28.54 #       <DpK|Cronic> scott666 yes
22.28.59 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm no
22.29.04 #       <PaulJam> does rockbox make a difference if the folder is called Games or games ?
22.29.13 #       <petur> amiconn / Bagder / linuxstb /...? any objections that I close tasks 4752 and 4883 regarding usb insertion during playback (WPS screen)? My h300 does everything ok.
22.29.16 #       <DpK|Cronic> i have the .wad files in the folder !
22.29.19 #       <DpK|Cronic> but not the .rock
22.29.24 #       <scott666> ok
22.29.51 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmm.. can you send me a copy from the folders so i can sned it to my ipod?
22.29.56 #       <DpK|Cronic> then must its go or?
22.30.22 #       <DpK|Cronic> rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad are in G:\game\doom
22.30.37 #       <PaulJam> game or games
22.30.48 #       <DpK|Cronic> game
22.31.06 #       <PaulJam> rename the folder to games
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22.31.29 #       <DpK|Cronic> mom kk
22.31.32 #       <Myth1> ha, works like a charme
22.31.33 #       <DpK|Cronic> testing
22.31.46 #       <Myth1> listening to startrecker mods right now on my h320 ;)
22.31.55 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: noway!?
22.32.04 #       <DpK|Cronic> ooooh xD its gone
22.32.07 #       <DpK|Cronic> xDD thanks :P
22.32.38 #       <midgey34> scott666: what player do you have?
22.32.46 #       <scott666> ipod 5G 60GB
22.33.02 #       <midgey34> and you just get a black screen?
22.33.06 #       <scott666> yeah
22.33.14 #       <scott666> for a while I was getting a bunch of errors
22.33.29 #       <DpK|Cronic> hmZz O.o why the computer play? XD
22.33.34 #       <scott666> failed to find PNames, blah blah blah
22.33.42 #       <scott666> and then finally Data Abort with some hex
22.34.21 #       <Myth1> I'm uploading a diff so everyone can test it
22.34.23 #       <scott666> so then i deleted the games folder, and added it back and re-downloaded rockdoom.wad and doom1.wad
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22.34.47 #       <scott666> and now doom.rock just hangs with a black screen
22.34.52 #       <midgey34> so you load doom, it says "Welcome to RockDoom", you can choose your wad, but when you select "play game" it crashes before getting to the title screen 
22.35.04 #       <midgey34> or do you not even get that far
22.35.16 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: for DUMB? it works in realtime?
22.35.54 #       <scott666> i dont even get that anymroe
22.36.01 #       <scott666> for a while i got that much
22.36.05 #       <scott666> but now i just get nothing
22.36.29 #       <scott666> i have to leave for work any minute now though
22.36.51 #       <scott666> ill back around again in ~6 hours 
22.37.02 #       <midgey34> well, it crashes in the sim too
22.37.08 #       <scott666> cool!
22.37.19 #       <scott666> see if you can fix it before i get home :-)
22.37.32 #       <PaulJam> scott666: you could try if it helps to remove the file default.dfg from the /games/doom/ folder (if it exists)
22.37.48 #       <scott666> it doesnt
22.37.58 #       <scott666> i tried using the installer too
22.38.05 #       <scott666> but that thing seems even more fucked up
22.38.23 #       <Myth1> ep0ch: No, its not dumb based. It's based on an old open source module player for GUS. I added a mixer myself and watched out for not using floating point operations. I guess its pretty fast
22.38.59 #       <scott666> im leaving now, later
22.39.00 #       <elinenbe> youch!
22.39.04 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: ahh what's it called?
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22.39.24 #       <Myth1> its called simplemod ;)
22.39.31 #       <Myth1> at least thats what I named it
22.39.36 #       <Myth1> ;)
22.39.39 #       <ep0ch> :D
22.40.28 #       <ep0ch> great can't wait to check it out, does it use any resampling?
22.41.07 #       <Myth1> it uses a mixer at 44.1khz with linear interpolation
22.41.40 #       <midgey34> well, I'm off as well. time to go buy a corsage.
22.41.42 #       <ep0ch> nice :)
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22.42.10 #       <amiconn> Myth1: w00t!
22.42.29 #       <amiconn> Is the mixer configurable, i.e. could it mix to other frequencies than 44.1kHz?
22.42.37 #       <amiconn> (guess it is)
22.44.07 #       <Lear> lostlogic: on that bad seek (i.e., seek back into the next track), cur_ti->start_pos is all wrong. It should be around 19 MB, but is like 90 KB.
22.44.15 #       <Myth1> yes of course it can mix to other frequencies
22.45.52 #       <amiconn> Myth1: I'm very interested in seeing the performance
22.46.18 #       <petur> if a bugreport for a target seems fixed for that target but not another one, should the task be closed and recreated for the other target or modified to cover the other target. Or choose option c if my question is totally unclear :D
22.46.21 #       <amiconn> If it's fast enough, I might port it to archos...
22.46.51 #       <amiconn> Would be 73h l33t to have mod playback...
22.46.52 #       <elinenbe> amiconn: do you think a May 1 release date is possible?
22.47.08 #       <amiconn> elinenbe: I expect a delay of at least one week
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22.47.30 #       <Myth1> amiconn: What do you mean by "port it to archos"? Shouldn't this work automatically?
22.47.35 #       <amiconn> nope
22.47.44 #       <Myth1> amiconn: why not?
22.47.44 #       <amiconn> Archos is hwcodec, not swcodec
22.48.01 #       <amiconn> It has a slow cpu, and can normally only play mp3
22.48.10 #       <Myth1> how fast is the archos cpu?
22.48.26 #       <amiconn> 11MHz in the recorders, 12MHz in the Ondios
22.49.23 #       <Myth1> uh, thats really slow
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22.49.52 #       <amiconn> We recently got permission to use the pcm codec for the MAS chip, and now there's a wavplay plugin
22.50.37 #       <amiconn> ...but playing wav isn't much fun on archos. The archoses have only 2MB RAM, so the disk spins up every ~10 seconds...
22.52.51 #       <ep0ch> does ADPCM work on archos?
22.52.58 #       <amiconn> Not yet
22.53.10 #       <amiconn> The wavplay plugin is meant as a preview
22.53.32 #       <amiconn> WAV playback needs to be integrated into the playback engine, but that's post-3.0 stuff
22.54.44 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: which formats does it support so i can prepare a mod collection in advance for testing? :)
22.55.00 #       <Presence> thats so rad, .mod music support.
22.55.05 #       <amiconn> It pretty much requires unification of the 2 playback engines, which in turn requires more work on the swcodec one
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22.55.33 #       <amiconn> (splitting the source file into several parts, and making the code more compact)
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22.55.59 #       <Presence> by building .mod support, are you implying like .s3m screamtrackers or .xm support too?
22.56.53 #       <Myth1> ep0ch: It plays startrecker/protracker 4-8 channels modules. But it think there is still a bug with modules > 4 channels (some channels are muted, but it worked once)
22.57.23 #       <Myth1> Presence: No xm yet, but I can do this, too. This is however far more complicated :(
22.57.33 #       <Presence> hah, I can't begin to imagine.
22.57.55 #       <Presence> freaking how rad, though, classic!  <3
22.59.14 #       <amiconn> It seems I hafta join the gcc channel...
22.59.56 #       <amiconn> :-//
22.59.58 #       <Myth1> here you go: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5241
23.00.07 #       <ep0ch> already there :p
23.00.15 #       <Myth1> ;)
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23.00.54 #       * petur wonders if lostlogics refactoring maybe fixed bug 4754
23.02.04 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: trying on ipod nano
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23.03.50 #       <Myth1> please make sure not to load modules larger than 486kbyte!
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23.04.18 #       <Mikachu> my only .mod is 250kB :)
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23.07.15 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: it seems to work, it doesn't seem to sound exactly like i remember it though
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23.07.32 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: also the time meter goes like 3 seconds per second
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23.07.46 #       <Myth1> oh thats true ;)
23.07.55 #       <Myth1> guess thats why its 0.1 ;)
23.08.01 #       <Mikachu> heh
23.08.01 #       <Myth1> does it sound wrong?
23.08.07 #       <Mikachu> yeah
23.08.14 #       <Myth1> can you send me the mod?
23.08.20 #       <Mikachu> mikachu.ath.cx/slask/orgasmod.mod
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23.08.53 #       <Mikachu> it's mostly right
23.10.08 #       <ep0ch> amiconn: there is hope for archos, no boosting on ihp for 4 channel mods
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23.10.29 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: thanks its good :) 
23.10.45 #       <Presence> hahah, orgasmod!!  Future Crew represent!
23.11.13 #       <Myth1> Mikachu: What is exactly wrong? As I don't know the original I can't hear it
23.11.22 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: that sound in the beginning sounds like it's too slow or something
23.11.30 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: you don't have a mod player? :)
23.11.36 #       <Presence> one's built into winamp.
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23.12.00 #       <Myth1> Mikachu: No, none installed here ;) What do you recommend?
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23.12.21 #       <Mikachu> no idea, i have a libmodplug and libmikmod in my music player
23.12.27 #       <Mikachu> i can oggify it
23.12.49 #       <Myth1> can xmms play mods?
23.13.03 #       <Mikachu> don't remember
23.13.29 #       <Presence> its a plugin for xmms
23.13.30 #       <Presence> http://modplug-xmms.sourceforge.net/
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23.13.45 #       <Presence> built into videolan.
23.13.54 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: mikachu.ath.cx/slask/orgasmod.ogg
23.13.58 #       <markun> my xmms is compiled with mikmod
23.14.10 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: your mod player does adds a little stereo width too?
23.14.21 #       <ep0ch> s/adds/add
23.14.27 #       <Mikachu> Myth1: sounds like the sound should be periodically muted, but isn't in your player
23.15.29 #       <Myth1> ep0ch: It balances the voice on both channels (left=16, right=0), channel balancing: 4,12,12,4
23.17.09 #       <ep0ch> k
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23.18.10 #       <goffa> does the h140 use the same cross compiler as the x5?
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23.18.21 #       <ep0ch> Myth1: i think i get slight clipping
23.18.40 #       <Bagder> goffa: yes
23.18.43 #       <goffa> cool
23.18.54 #       <goffa> i won't have to do anything when my new player comes then :)
23.19.48 #       <Myth1> Mikachu: How many channels does this song use?
23.20.23 #       <Myth1> hmm, its 4 channel protracker
23.20.29 #       <Mikachu> yes
23.20.34 #       <Mikachu> that's what file told me at least
23.20.34 #       <Myth1> i have to check this
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23.21.23 #       <HCl> woot :D
23.21.55 #       <RedBreva_> bluebrother: You there?
23.22.03 #       <bluebrother> yes, shortly.
23.22.42 #       <RedBreva_> I have just installed linux on the laptop and am having some diffs building the manual...
23.22.52 #       <RedBreva_> Warning: pdflatex (file /var/lib/texmf/fonts/map/pdftex/updmap/pdftex.map): inv
23.22.52 #       <RedBreva_> alid entry for `umju24': too big value of ExtendFont (2)
23.23.14 #       <RedBreva_> What have i forgotten to install?
23.23.26 #       <RedBreva_> or is something missing from Path
23.23.28 #       <bluebrother> uuuh. What distro?
23.23.34 #       <RedBreva_> Suse10
23.24.23 #       <bluebrother> hmm, my experience on SuSE is some years old.
23.24.56 #       <RedBreva_> I am getting absolutly LOADs of these error, but the pdf seems to actually build
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23.25.39 #       <bluebrother> strange. Maybe it replaces the fonts with different.
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23.26.15 #       <julius> hi all
23.26.54 #       <julius> I would just ask you for some help on getting itrip fm transmiter to work on a rockbox system, so here are my foundings:
23.27.03 #       <julius> I tested the dock connector with the original firmware and there is a power output as explained here http://ipodlinux.org/Dock_Connector with a voltage of 3.3
23.27.07 #       <bluebrother> you could try running texhash. I have no idea if it helps, but I think it won't hurt.
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23.27.15 #       <julius> but the problem is that if I run the rockbox firmware there is no power at all at the dock connector
23.27.30 #       <julius> could someone please help me to somehow turn the power supply on ? please?!
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23.30.12 #       <petur> julius: there's no info on that page how to enable it. I gather the ipl people know how to switch it on/off?
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23.30.50 #       <RedBreva_> no, made no difference...
23.31.14 #       <RedBreva_> is there a specify font package that is required
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23.31.53 #       <julius> petur, I just asked them on the ipodlinux channel, and they say I should direct any problems like this to you guys
23.32.08 #       <Mikachu> hah
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23.33.22 #       <preglow> hahah
23.33.33 #       <preglow> they most certainly know better than us
23.33.36 #       <preglow> being their source code, and all
23.33.54 #       <julius> I thought that soo, but they still sent me here :)
23.34.26 #       <julius> could some from the devel team ask them, maybe that way they will give more info on it
23.34.47 #       <julius> btw: the sound works greate, only the power is missing from the dock connector
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23.36.17 #       <petur> julius: from what I read on the pages, the 3.3V is supposed to be just there (always)? They mention nothing about enabling it
23.36.34 #       <julius> petur, yes but it's not
23.36.38 #       <julius> thats the problem :)
23.36.49 #       <chi> is rockbox linux?
23.36.53 #       <Mikachu> no
23.36.54 #       <Bagder> chi: nope
23.37.01 #       <Bagder> rockbox is Rockbox!
23.37.12 #       <dwihno> YOU is Rockbox!
23.37.17 #       <muesli__> lol
23.37.26 #       <preglow> hahaha, so we've got a mod player too, now?
23.37.41 #       <dwihno> preglow: in the tracker?
23.37.45 #       <preglow> yeah
23.37.47 #       <KlrSpz> http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/6072/11460245670076es.jpg
23.37.54 #       <petur> julius: http://66.249.93.104/search?q=cache:aQaDuI8VBHYJ:forums.ipodlounge.com/showthread.php%3Fs%3Ddce8538116225da193365bc9e7f14d5c%26threadid%3D14723%26goto%3Dnextnewest+Dock+Connector+ipod+linux+power+enable&hl=en&gl=be&ct=clnk&cd=4
23.37.58 #       <chi> i saw some refrences to "root" on it so i was wondering heh
23.38.03 #       <dwihno> preglow: have you checked it out?
23.38.06 #       <petur> sorry 4 the long link)
23.38.20 #       <preglow> dwihno: mno
23.38.25 #       <preglow> but i'm gonna
23.38.43 #       <dwihno> mod support is kinda sweet
23.39.01 #       <preglow> i haven't got any .mod files anymore, though
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23.39.56 #       <midgey34> so, theoretically 3.1 could have sid, mod, and wma assuming marsdaddy's work goes well
23.40.06 #       <julius> petur, ye, I just did the same thing as explaind here: http://ipod.hackaday.com/entry/1234000393065371/ and if I run the original firmware I have power, but if I use rockbox, the power is down
23.40.21 #       <midgey34> and a chance for the new aac decoder posted on ffmpeg mailing list if its in fixed point by then
23.40.24 #       <Myth1> does anyone know how I can adjust the struct alignment?
23.40.35 #       <Myth1> something like #pragma pack(0) on visual studio
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23.40.57 #       <Bagder> struct S { short f[3]; } __attribute__ ((aligned (8)));
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23.41.13 #       <Presence> heh
23.41.15 #       <Myth1> thanks
23.41.44 #       <petur> julius: i have no knowledge of ipl (don't even have an ipod) so if anybody else here can help? Or ask the ipl people where in their source the power is anabled?
23.41.54 #       <preglow> what's up with the codec memory limitation mentioned in the patch?
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23.42.19 #       <Bagder> ... but pack 0 might mean __attribute__ ((packed)) ?
23.42.35 #       <bluebrother> RedBreva_: hmm, man updmap tells me: updmap - Update font map files for TeX output drivers.
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23.42.37 #       <julius> petur, thanks a lot for the help, I'm just asking them, and it seems they try to help me, so if I found something I get back to you guys
23.42.47 #       <bluebrother> maybe running this could help
23.43.12 #       <bluebrother> on my machine (fc5) the files are in the tetex-fonts package. Maybe this is the same on Suse.
23.43.13 #       <RedBreva_> OK, I'll try it...
23.46.00 #       <RedBreva_> hmm, it reconfigured several files, but the manual build still has all the same errors... :(
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23.47.06 #       <Myth1> gotta go, see you later guys
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23.47.22 #       <RedBreva_> no tetex-fonts package on Yast :(
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23.49.14 #       <bluebrother> you could look if any package owns the files. rpm -qf <yourfileinquestion>
23.51.21 #       <linuxstb> julius: You should check the CVS history for the IPL kernel - the important bits are here: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/
23.51.29 #       <linuxstb> julius: This diff looks promising: http://cvs.sourceforge.net/viewcvs.py/ipodlinux/linux/arch/armnommu/mach-ipod/hardware.c?r1=1.11&r2=1.12
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23.52.06 #       <amiconn> preglow: The gcc people aren't really helpful :/
23.52.31 #       <amiconn> They were pointing me at the rtl output, but I have no idea what to check that for
23.53.14 #       <preglow> amiconn: i know they're not
23.53.19 #       <preglow> i've been hanging around them for almost a month
23.53.37 #       <amiconn> Something goes rather wrong. I know where, but I don't know why
23.54.06 #       <amiconn> Do you know anything about this rtl stuff
23.54.08 #       <amiconn> ?
23.55.08 #       <preglow> very, very little
23.55.09 #       <linuxstb> julius: Try searching for this comment: "/* to power up the 3.3V pin + ?? */" in the diff I linked to you.  Those three writes to the PCF chip seem to be what you are looking for.
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23.55.43 #       <bluebrother> RedBreva_: sorry, can't help you at the moment. Need to grab some sleep now. My day was kinda exhausting.
23.55.44 #       <bluebrother> cu
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23.56.29 #       <preglow> amiconn: know anything about why nothing uses that variable?
23.56.47 #       <amiconn> I was wrong, the flag is supposed to be evaluated
23.57.06 #       <julius> linuxstb, but it seems there is no solution for that yet, but anyway, it was a greate help, now I know what to show the ipodlinux people
23.57.07 #       <amiconn> The code is neither in a .c nor in a .h file, that's why I overlooked it
23.57.07 #       <preglow> even though it's never mentioned in the source?
23.57.12 #       <preglow> ahh
23.57.13 #       <preglow> md?
23.57.15 #       <amiconn> yes
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23.58.11 #       <preglow> weird, though, i think i did a grep through all files
23.58.17 #       <linuxstb> julius: What do you mean "there is no solution" ?  If I was you, I would try those lines.
23.58.51 #       <julius> linuxstb, it says:  /* to power up the 3.3V pin + ?? */ with ???? and there is no command below the comment
23.58.59 #       <linuxstb> Some people have reported that certain accessories work with IPL, but not Rockbox - so we are definitely not doing something they are.