--- Log for 28.04.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 3 days ago 00.04.58 Quit tucoz ("Leaving") 00.06.57 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.15.36 Quit adiamas ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 00.16.23 Nick mikekarthur is now known as mikearthur (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 00.17.39 Part ep0ch_ ("Kopete 0.11.1 : http://kopete.kde.org") 00.19.18 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 00.20.33 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3561732.sympatico.ca) 00.21.19 Quit KlrSpz () 00.26.20 Join matsl [0] (n=matsl@1-1-4-2a.mal.sth.bostream.se) 00.28.08 Quit Poka64 ("nite all") 00.33.01 # objdump likes to write #-268402686 instead of #0xF0008002 00.33.06 # annoying 00.33.54 # yes 00.33.55 # very 00.33.56 Quit ender` (" If you only have a hammer, you tend to see every problem as a nail.") 00.34.01 # god knows who decided that was a clever way to do it 00.34.24 # but somehow some addresses are written in plain hex 00.41.03 Quit DarkJesus ("Leaving") 00.45.11 Quit BHSPitLappy2 ("Dropped my laptop.") 00.46.10 # * amiconn gives up on patching gcc properly :( 00.48.18 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-32d9fec4f6dc4c05) 00.48.31 # seems we have a problem with too small buffers in the wav metadata parser 00.48.52 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 00.50.09 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.52.41 # anyone wanna fix metadata.c? :] 00.54.06 Quit PaulJam (".") 00.56.13 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@adsl-209-30-243-26.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 00.58.17 # Bagder, t0mas: Hanging build... 00.58.36 # ...perhaps not 00.58.48 # * amiconn still gets confused by utc vs. cest 00.59.20 # time zones are scary 00.59.33 # there is even a timezone in australia that's +30 minutes 00.59.44 # there are even +45 and +15 ones 00.59.54 # at least there has been 00.59.56 # * amiconn knows 01.03.15 Join dsh-1 [0] (n=daishi@ool-457286ab.dyn.optonline.net) 01.04.02 # haha 01.04.09 # the musepack stream seems so delightfully ad-hoc 01.04.19 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.08.20 Join webguest66 [0] (n=5087daf4@labb.contactor.se) 01.10.04 # artifacts are back when skipping tracks, mp3, H140, using latest Bleeding edge 27-04@21:11 01.11.00 # what kind of artifacts? 01.11.22 Quit matsl (Remote closed the connection) 01.11.45 # a little "tack" just when the track starts after skipping 01.12.01 Nick dsh-1 is now known as Daishi (n=daishi@ool-457286ab.dyn.optonline.net) 01.12.07 # what's the last build you tried that did not have these problems? 01.13.15 # 26-04@20:22 is clean 01.15.37 # would you care to try the latest daily as well? 01.15.48 # i'm pretty sure i know what caused it, but it doesn't hurt 01.16.01 # but i can't seem to duplicate it 01.16.25 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.16.51 # now, what to do about it 01.16.54 # * preglow summons Toni1 01.18.25 # it doesn't do it everytime I skip, it appears randomly when skipping 01.19.11 # I'll try latest as well 01.19.45 # excellent 01.19.56 # i'm almost certain this is caused by the libmad performance patch i applied today 01.21.40 # Oh fark 01.22.04 # There's still something wrong with the gcc 3.4 -Os builds 01.22.10 # what? 01.22.15 # webguest66: is it just a tiny click? 01.22.41 # RoLo causes a checksum error followed by I09:CPUAdrErr 01.23.12 # yes it's just a tiny click 01.23.27 # you sure that wasn't there before? all tracks can click if you interrupt them at a bad time 01.24.26 # I'm certain it wasn't there before, I have been culling my albums furiously and have noticed the difference 01.24.54 # ok, i'll mention it to antonius 01.25.29 # is there any possibility to have a plugin or a patch to have a "real" shuffle mode, and not just a shuffling of the playlist? so the playlist is still sorted alphabetically but the songs change randomly ? 01.26.43 # or is it just easy to config an my eyes missed it :) 01.26.49 # and* 01.26.56 # "real" 01.27.00 # hmpf 01.27.23 # real is overrated 01.27.40 # thats why the marks are ther 01.27.47 # thesonork: no there's no such thing in Rockbox 01.27.53 # preglow, it's still there with the latest 01.27.56 # we've worked hard to provide the current way 01.28.00 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.28.03 # ;) 01.28.25 # as we believe this is the correct way of doing shuffle 01.28.32 # its just my GF searches for some songs she wanna hear in the car ya know.... and its hard to find without sorting 01.28.37 # webguest66: the latest daily build, not the bleeding, that is? 01.29.02 # latest bleeding edge I tried 01.29.12 # you want me to try the daily ? 01.29.25 # yes please 01.29.30 # k 01.29.35 # that's the last build i know of that hasn't got toni's patch in it 01.30.46 # Bagder, what about trying to use the Tracknumbers in playlist with some random number generator to play next track? wouldn't that be some solution? (i did not look at the sourcecode yet, so plz forgive me if i tell bullshit) 01.30.56 Quit herz42 ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 01.30.59 Nick qwx_ is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 01.31.08 # uh? 01.31.35 # I don't understand 01.31.39 # ok 01.31.47 # if u have , lets say 300 tracks in playlist 01.31.56 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-175-19.sd.sd.cox.net) 01.32.53 # maybe 2 secs before the current playing track is finished some number-generator generates a random number between 1 and 300, lets say 250,... the track with number 250. in the playlist willbe played 01.33.15 # but why? 01.33.32 # so your GF can have the files sorted? 01.34.02 # it'll make back very awkward 01.34.15 # and it'll make it hard to play through all songs before repeating 01.34.25 # actually, yes, ... dont missunderstand this, its just something i wanted to say 01.34.32 # sure 01.34.54 # you sure won't be able to make me run ahead and implement it! ;-) 01.35.08 # lazy developer! 01.35.10 # ;) 01.35.26 # but wouldn't this work? 01.35.37 # sure it could 01.35.48 # like winamp and family does 01.35.57 # ye even the apple firmware 01.36.18 # "even" 01.36.18 Join BBoyDCoy [0] (n=z15p8@fctnnbsc16w-156034212071.nb.aliant.net) 01.36.35 # hehe 01.36.43 # dont quote every word i write :P 01.36.52 # i just put the rockbox on my 4g color ipod. when i hook it up to the computer via usb, it's not showing up as an extra drive letter. any idea how to fix that? 01.37.12 # preglow, the track transitions are a little messy sometimes but I dont hear artifacts 01.37.14 # disk mode? 01.37.14 # (i.e. it won't show up in my computer, which i guess you need it to in order to uninstall) 01.37.20 # yes, disk mode 01.38.04 # schleeep 01.38.47 # i get to bed 01.38.49 # ;) 01.39.00 # so do you know how i can open it in disk mode? 01.39.36 # sonork --> soffork 01.39.40 Nick thesonork is now known as thesoffork (i=thesonor@evident-prime.de) 01.39.46 # webguest66: ok 01.39.56 # webguest66: i'll mention it to the guy who last changed the mp3 decoder 01.40.17 # he might know better than me where to look first 01.40.17 Quit webguest66 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 01.41.13 Join webguest77 [0] (n=5087daf4@labb.contactor.se) 01.41.32 # oh, i think she's workin 01.41.34 # sorry about that preglow, I was guest66 01.41.45 # no worries 01.42.56 # the track transitions are a tiny bit messy sometimes with daily, but no artifacts 01.43.20 # yeah, but they've probably always been a bit messy 01.43.29 # this is whilst skipping only 01.43.33 # yea 01.45.03 # but it's way past my bed time, thanks for the effort that you guys put in 01.45.40 Part webguest77 01.46.36 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 01.50.17 Join KlrSpz [0] (n=klrSpz@c-24-0-64-6.hsd1.tx.comcast.net) 01.51.08 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.51.13 # i uninstalled the rock box (from a ipod, 4th generation color)... when i restart it now i still get the rockbox blue background and text, but it says "loading original firmware" 01.51.16 # will that go away? 01.51.27 # you need to put the old bootloader back 01.51.32 # how? 01.51.43 # did you backup your old bootloader partition? 01.51.58 # *sheepish no* 01.52.05 # well, that would have been the easiest 01.52.19 # you could just restore it if you don't mind loosing everything on it 01.52.20 # use the ipod firmware updater 01.52.25 # ahhh 01.52.26 # yes 01.52.27 # updater 01.52.28 # yeah. that's what i was leaning towards 01.52.30 # that would be the easiest 01.52.36 # just wanted to know if there's another way without formatting 01.52.36 # actually 01.52.39 # the easiest would be 01.52.43 # DON'T UNINSTALL ROCKBOX 01.52.46 # heh 01.52.52 Quit BBoyDCoy () 01.56.26 # amiconn: O2 doesn't work for arm... 01.56.36 # thread.c:(.text.sleep_thread+0x10): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against symbol `switch_thread' defined in .icode section in /home/thomj/rockbox-devel/build-nano/librockbox.a(thread.o) 01.56.56 # long call related, i'll wager........... 01.57.51 # shrug 01.58.29 # * preglow kicks arm 01.58.36 # :> 01.58.41 # * amiconn kicks gcc 01.58.41 # may 15th is a lousy date. 01.59.45 Quit Acksaw|Coursewor ("I'm off, see ya later!") 02.02.45 Quit KlrSpz () 02.04.55 # preglow: try -fno-optimize-sibling-calls 02.05.13 # i had to use that when i tried -Os, no idea if it's the same problem as yours 02.06.52 # * preglow tries 02.07.07 Join JdGordon [0] (n=JdGordon@c211-28-227-249.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 02.07.53 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@host-84-9-146-179.bulldogdsl.com) 02.08.24 # Hi! Can someone explain me what is podcasting and by what means can it be achieved? 02.08.56 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Podcasting 02.09.52 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 02.10.08 # has it got any relation with the ipod? 02.11.00 # you can use podcasting with ipods if you want, but the name is not related 02.11.22 # in essence it is just an mp3 file 02.11.25 # or whatever format 02.11.30 # that article will tell you, of course. 02.11.33 # check 'history' perhaps. 02.11.55 # the funny think is that i didn't knew that it was something like this 02.11.58 # Bah, -Os breaks a lot of things with gcc 3.4.x 02.12.10 Join quobl_ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-4a74c2a8a26efb7d) 02.12.20 # (archos) 02.12.25 # i thought it solely had to do with ipods 02.13.17 # is that feature supported by rockbox? 02.13.29 # Playback stutters then crashes. Voice does the same. Spacerock shows weird polygons instead of asteroids. Rolo gives a checksum error. jpeg.rock crashes with an inverse screen and panic stkov main... 02.15.56 # so just to get this right. iPod got it's name from that? 02.16.06 # i mean from podcasting? 02.16.10 # haha. no. 02.16.17 # the other way around. 02.16.19 # arghghgh 02.16.24 # again, you should check the article. 02.16.56 # i took a quick look at it 02.17.11 # hm, look harder, i'd suggest... 02.17.20 Join linas5 [0] (n=linas5@24-196-132-165.dhcp.mdsn.wi.charter.com) 02.17.23 # hmm... i'm tempted to get a picaxe microcontroller... just to have... 02.17.27 # hi 02.17.30 # i will 02.17.30 # hello 02.17.41 # sudoku and chessbox crash with IllInstr, brickmania shows garbled graphics and misplaces text, bubbles also crashes with stkov main 02.18.05 # This is certainly not what we want :( 02.18.19 Quit quobl (Remote closed the connection) 02.18.27 # amiconn: it doesn't seem preferred. 02.18.31 # :D 02.18.51 # podcast is working only with itunes? 02.19.18 # Mikachu: that actually did it 02.19.20 # what does it mean? :> 02.19.39 # preglow: i have no idea, i just tried disabling all options enabled by -Os one by one until it worked 02.21.10 # any other way i can get podcasts without itunes? Are podcasts just audio files form radio stations or whatever which i can upload to my ipod? 02.21.25 # yes 02.22.07 # no, they are magical! 02.22.13 # :P 02.22.21 # i hate the pod prefix above anything else on this earth 02.22.31 # podshitting 02.22.34 # lol 02.22.42 # well i hated too 02.22.51 # until rockbox get into it 02.22.52 # :P 02.22.59 # haha 02.23.00 # podboxing 02.23.37 # podmailing 02.24.18 # the funny think is that i thought that podcasting was a term to describe ipods acting as nodes and sharing files and stuff between them over a network 02.24.19 # podthis-is-so-overdone-you-can-stop-now-we-get-the-point-you're-prefixing-everything-with-pod-that's-ENOUGH. 02.24.24 # :) 02.24.40 # smallpods 02.24.45 # midkay, that seems like a vaguely specific name prefixed with pod... 02.24.58 # vaguely specific. HA. 02.26.24 # fl4m1n9 5700p1d 9cc 02.26.41 # flaming stupid gcc... 02.27.02 # hmm 02.27.10 # rockbox.ipod only gained 200 bytes 02.27.20 # you can make it gain more... 02.27.28 # preglow: By what? 02.27.31 # O2 02.27.35 # screw ipods, screw rockbox , screw everything 02.27.47 # except me.. 02.27.47 # ohes noes! blasphemey! 02.27.48 # * amiconn would expect -O2 to increase size 02.28.08 # * amiconn takes out the screwdriver 02.28.10 # amiconn: it actually decreased 180 bytes 02.28.28 # overall with .rocks? 02.28.39 # preglow: that's odd 02.28.45 # i got to get to the gym and work out .. summer is commin' .. i've got a belly twice my head 02.28.46 # lol 02.28.59 # move the wps code to a plugin and it will drop a fair bit from the core... 02.29.00 # bring your podcasts 02.29.18 # and the file browser... 02.29.19 # the term "bit-banging" frightens me. 02.29.21 Join v3l0ct [0] (n=v3l0ct@adsl-70-235-77-193.dsl.mrdnct.sbcglobal.net) 02.29.28 # haha. 02.29.33 # that was pretty good actually. 02.29.38 # * midkay high-fives sharpe. 02.29.42 # woo! 02.30.08 # but, it is kind of weird to label it that. i mean, why not... "byte reading" ? 02.30.14 # instead of bit-banging... 02.30.55 # son-of-a-bit 02.30.58 # sharpe, the same reason the variable isn't named "bejeweled->playing" instead of "bj->dirty". :E 02.31.04 # eh, true. 02.31.13 # disgusting coders is what it is. 02.31.20 # grr those coders 02.31.30 # rockbox would be much better off without them 02.31.36 # hellz yes. 02.31.44 # what coders r u talkin about? 02.32.18 # those coders 02.32.18 # "major noob" 02.32.29 # grr. grr coders grr. 02.32.47 # oh well 02.32.51 # screw them too 02.32.56 # anyone wanna play freeciv? 02.33.18 # meh, i suck at freeciv. 02.33.34 # me too. 02.33.34 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 02.33.56 # is there any possibility that a 21 years old guy can have arthritis? 02.34.08 # lol 02.34.13 # anything is possible 02.34.14 # yes 02.34.33 # /quit 02.34.36 # oops 02.34.51 # embarassing 02.35.00 # completely! 02.35.01 # What is this extended freezing period that's suggested? 02.35.09 # have to reboot though 02.35.16 # it's a suggested extended freeze period, actually. 02.35.24 Quit XavierGr () 02.35.25 # the suggestion is basically to extend the freeze period. 02.35.30 # i am betting it will be accepted 02.35.32 # will this delay the release? 02.35.36 # i don't think all bugs will be fixed in 3 days 02.35.38 # surely. 02.35.53 # two weeks is the suggested delay 02.35.59 # r u guys talkin about v.3? 02.36.23 # yes! 02.36.33 # is that gonna sort out the playback problems and all that? 02.36.47 # when they are sorted out, the release is possible... 02.36.49 # um, the idea is to fix that before we release, yes. 02.36.53 # i'm havin a lot of playback lags when using flac 02.36.56 # a buggy 3.0 is worthless. 02.37.05 # surely is... 02.37.32 # romanos_melodos: what player? 02.37.45 # nano 02.38.16 # lags? 02.38.23 # ipod ports are not going to be part of the 3.0 plan i thought 02.38.35 # seriously? 02.38.43 # they aren't. but playback fixes are, and iPods use the same system as the irivers. 02.38.58 # Right, but iPod-centric optimizations are not 02.39.12 # well.. why is that? 02.39.13 # dpassen1, iPod-centric, no. 02.39.24 # 15 days is not long enough to get the iPods upt-to-scratch. 02.39.26 # They're still early in beta 02.39.56 # is there any way that apple can sue rockbox? 02.40.00 # lol 02.40.13 # shouldn't be, no. 02.40.24 # that would require a very strange law 02.40.33 # http://www.pvv.org/~thomj/rockbox/musepack_seek_updated.patch 02.40.39 # someone try and apply that to latest cvs, ples 02.40.46 # preglow: weeeeeeee! 02.40.47 # testing 02.40.47 # someone would actually need to make reverse engineering illegal for that 02.41.16 # the funny think is that not many people know about rockbox 02.41.28 # on a second thought is not funny 02.41.30 # rotator: btw 02.41.37 # rotator: did you notice if that patch broke gapless? 02.41.40 # romanos_melodos: it's gained a fair bit of notoriety in geek circles. it'll spread 02.41.50 # exactly 02.41.50 # I haven't had a chance to check yet 02.41.58 # but I will test it now 02.42.05 # shit.. i'm a geek? 02.42.06 # lol 02.42.24 # you are on irc 02.42.32 Quit linas5 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.42.46 # happy that i'm not alone 02.43.09 # rotator: ah, i meant the previous patch 02.43.13 # rotator: the one in the tracker 02.43.19 # rotator: or didn't you try it? 02.43.44 # busted 02.43.50 # preglow: the previous seeking patch? 02.44.03 # preglow: I could use a trick in order to test gcc 4.x builds for sh 02.44.13 # amiconn: what trick? 02.44.20 # rotator: yes 02.44.47 # I could compile normally with gcc 3.3.6 first, then delete all object files except system.o, then build again with gcc 4.x 02.44.58 # hahah 02.44.59 # preglow: It wouldn't apply cleanly and it didn't look straightforward to fix it, so no 02.45.07 # This won't be a 100% gcc 4.x build, but almost 02.45.08 # ahh 02.45.27 # At least I could check whether it's worth the hassle 02.45.39 # rotator: but yeah, i'm just wondering if this patch or my previous musepack patch is what broke gapless 02.45.55 # rotator: i get tiny glitches between tracks here now, and i couldn't detect those while debugging my previous commit 02.46.03 # (binary size, runtime behaviour) 02.46.09 # amiconn: i did that for mplayer for a few imdct files for a while 02.46.18 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 02.46.40 # preglow: hmm, too bad, i'll listen for ticks here 02.47.20 # i'm not exactly impressed by musepack's performance on ipods 02.47.20 # Are there any plans to remove the 1600 byte limit for the WPS? 02.47.55 # i really think that flac is the best thing guys 02.48.09 # everything else is crap 02.48.23 # opinions 02.48.28 # ah, certainly you're right, everybody else must love flac because it's "the best". because there is surely ONE 'best' format. 02.48.31 # :) 02.48.32 Part v3l0ct ("Leaving") 02.48.45 # especially among lossless 02.48.59 # i wish that in some years from now there will be something like iturntable 02.49.11 # LA is the best lossless if you go by best lossless compression 02.49.12 # iTurntable 02.49.28 # no frequency loss 02.49.29 # :P 02.49.39 # it just occured to me that iPod is hungarian notation! 02.49.42 # another reason to abhor it 02.49.51 # WavPack is my lossless codec of choice, but it hardly matters. 02.49.56 # People who use WPSes whcih show next song info can you help me please? 02.50.00 # which* 02.50.15 # no technical experience necessary 02.50.33 # you jsut have to have sued a WPs with next song info in the past 02.50.36 # used* 02.50.38 # just* 02.50.45 # just for the record, that we're talkin all this job but we mainly forgot about the main reason.. The mUSIC.... 02.51.03 # caps lock 02.51.18 # afruff23, what is it? 02.51.25 # why not just ask? 02.51.35 # does all the enxt song info show up at the same time? 02.51.38 # next* 02.51.48 # whatever you specify to show up. 02.52.03 # preglow: bPod ? 02.52.10 # no I mean, can the player retrieve this info at the same time 02.52.18 # 'at the same time'? 02.52.21 # as what? 02.52.22 # since the guide says next song info is not always available 02.52.35 # preglow: mmmmm, musepack seeking works nicely :) 02.52.44 # preglow: no tick here so far... 02.52.45 # use a conditional if in doubt.. i've never had a problem. it usually doesn't show up for like 5-8 seconds.. 02.52.56 Join nave7693 [0] (i=evan@c-71-198-247-170.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 02.53.03 # rotator: really? 02.53.15 # rotator: look harder! i'm almost 100% certain i got ticks :) 02.53.19 # but anywho, i need to sleep now 02.53.19 # I am going to use a conditional, but I don't know waht variable to set it for 02.53.24 # please leave feedback here, i'll read the logs 02.53.27 # i.e. %It 02.53.54 # what don't you understand? that is indeed a usable tag. 02.54.08 # preglow: i've fast fowarded to the end of 7 tracks now, and no ticks yet (crosses fingers) 02.54.23 # one second, I'll write the code and explain a little more 02.54.56 # oh, regarding tags.. I've got a huge collection of greek songs but there's no support. Any suggestions? 02.55.15 # you lie 02.55.24 # and i think i answered that yesterday 02.55.24 # can i download a file or something? 02.55.30 # %?It<%It %Ia|> 02.55.37 # ?? 02.55.40 # afruff23, sure that works.. 02.55.48 # romanos_melodos: set unifont as your font firstly 02.55.54 # yeah 02.55.59 # i know, but would the player retrieve the next file's artist and title at the same time? 02.55.59 # we spoke this morning 02.56.04 # i've done it 02.56.08 # afruff23, yes. 02.56.12 # but doesn't works for id tags 02.56.20 # then your tags are not correctly set 02.56.24 # only for directory folders 02.56.39 # how's that possible? 02.56.49 # midaky, your last answer was given after understanding my question better, correct? 02.57.09 # romanos_melodos: go to the display menu and change the default codepage to greek 02.57.20 # romanos_melodos: lots of programs have no idea how the id3 standard works 02.57.37 # in other words, the next file's artist and title info will be made available to the WPS at the exact same time 02.57.40 # since unicode i also got problems with for example ä in wps 02.57.40 # ? 02.58.03 # afruff23, ********yes*********. 02.58.08 # pixelma: Save the .wps file as utf-8 02.58.13 # thank you 02.58.20 # you've saved my life phaedrus 02.59.06 # no problem :) 03.00.36 # btw phaedrus, can i switch the whole menu to greek now? 03.01.10 # last time i've done it, i couldn't recognise the characters... 03.01.30 # i had some stupid squares and dots .. 03.01.50 # isn't that greek? 03.01.51 # jk 03.02.02 # very funny 03.02.03 # amiconn: ;) 03.02.21 # it's all greek to me. *rimshot* 03.02.48 # well.. if it wouldn't be greek then it wouldn't be anything 03.02.57 # and you wouldn't had ipod, internet 03.03.03 # or even language right now 03.03.05 # so.. 03.03.12 # try :> 03.03.13 # haha. 03.03.22 # in other words, the next file's artist and title info will be made available to the WPS at the exact same time 03.04.01 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 03.04.03 # will any of the the next file's info be made available to the WPS sooner than other info? 03.04.13 # actually, we'd probably have language... 03.04.34 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.35 # actually , that's the last thing.. 03.04.49 # :) 03.04.56 # i sense a hint of sarcasm :) 03.05.18 # ANd no democracy 03.05.43 # i don't want to be such a pain.. but some things are sacred... 03.06.26 # we're having fun or whatever, chatting and geeking around but.. it seems that we all lost our values 03.06.31 # is this: %?ig;%?iy 03.06.46 # the same as this? 03.06.47 # %?ig;%?iy 03.06.52 # in terms of output 03.07.01 # and in this shity life, i'm proud to be greek and try to maintain some human values wherever i am. 03.07.33 # in the end, is all that matters ;) 03.07.51 # values are overrated 03.08.14 # afruff23; i don't think you need the extra | if there is not another statement. 03.08.16 # plz people, this is not a place for value discussion 03.08.17 # scorche: oh come on, you missed the best one of all. "values are overvalued" :) 03.08.29 # and let bush talkin about democracy.. the guy doesn't even know how to write it.. 03.08.35 # Do you guys prefer the old 'center scrolling' (scrolling at 2/3 of the screen) or the new one (scrolling at 1 line from the bottom) ? 03.08.52 # sharpe, so this:? 03.08.52 # %?ig;%?iy 03.09.06 # yeah... that should have the same effect, as with the 03.09.10 # |s 03.09.18 # hm, i don't think it will. but you can try. 03.09.33 # midkay, were you talking to me? 03.09.36 # in what language is rockbox written? 03.09.40 # C 03.09.41 # C 03.09.41 # romanos_melodos: c 03.09.43 # you and sharpe. 03.09.45 # c + asm! 03.09.45 # i win 03.09.48 # well, if it does, you saved two bytes. if not, oh well. 03.09.49 # :P 03.09.50 # _i_ win. 03.09.53 # C and some assembly 03.10.00 # midkay: you never win 03.10.01 # preglow: :\ finally got a tick with musepack, i can send you the track if you like 03.10.03 # ,|,, 03.10.09 # scorche, die. 03.10.19 # midkay: after you 03.10.29 # anywhere i can find the rockbox source code? 03.10.30 # Actually, I would save probably 20 bytes and sicne my WPS is over 1500 bytes and is incomplete 03.10.31 # * scorche feels the love 03.10.33 # that would help 03.10.37 # is that on the site? 03.10.38 # since* 03.10.40 # then you two will be immortal, as you're waiting for the other to die. 03.10.45 # romanos_melodos: yes 03.11.02 # oh great, i'll have a look 03.11.17 # rockbox is closed source 03.11.22 # no code on the site 03.11.27 # :) 03.11.27 # ? 03.11.28 # lol 03.11.30 # that'd totally be a bitch. 03.11.35 # romanos_melodos: everything rockbox related is inside the wiki on www.rockbox.org, pretty much 03.11.38 # romanos_melodos: it is called a joke 03.11.44 # yeah 03.11.49 Part Paul_The_Nerd 03.11.55 # I think he hit enter right after me 03.12.07 # it's called i'm talkin the piss on you 03.12.12 # takin 03.12.26 # should i actually get a picaxe kit, so i have a reason to not be bored all of the time? 03.14.31 # who's idea was to put the metronome inside rockbox? I wanna kiss that guy!!! (i'm a Drummer) :P 03.15.03 # i caused the metronome plugin to crash on my ipod. :D 03.15.45 # :P 03.16.56 # I like using the mtronome to annoy people 03.17.00 # high volume 03.17.05 # line-oout to sepakers 03.17.07 # ... 03.17.17 # metronome* 03.17.17 # lol 03.17.37 # try using 250 bpm 03.17.46 Part nave7693 03.17.49 # will certainly blow their ears off 03.17.59 # When i used it on the nano It would only work everytime you pressed the button 03.18.04 # it couldn't do a beat 03.18.10 # maybe I'm dumb 03.18.11 # true 03.18.14 # no 03.18.19 # that's how it is 03.18.34 # then how do you get it to do 250 bpm? 03.18.41 # you mean pressing it manually everytime?! 03.18.51 # that'd break my thumb 03.19.07 # i misunderstood 03.19.09 # srry 03.19.09 # yeah, you have to press it just over four times per second to achieve 250 bpm. 03.19.13 # :) 03.19.21 # i've just pressed it once on the center 03.19.33 # but it gets jammed sometimes though 03.19.56 # who needs greek anyway. 03.19.56 # :> 03.20.00 # isn't it dead yet? 03.20.02 # One time, I isntalled rockbox on my friend's nanohighest voklume told him to listen to this song 03.20.07 # opend metronome and bam 03.20.17 # there's a reason why they call it ANCIENT. 03.20.30 # isn't there mdoern greek 03.20.32 # i think we've get over that subject years ago qwm 03.20.40 # modern* 03.20.47 # :> 03.20.58 # ofcourse there is modern greek.. 03.20.59 # lol 03.21.04 # modern greek is ancient greek spoken by weird isolated greeks on islands like crete. 03.21.33 # No, as in mdoern greek uses latin alphabet 03.21.36 # qwm , r u from planet earth? 03.21.37 # modern* 03.21.58 # r u guys greek? 03.22.10 # no, but I have 2 greek friends 03.22.23 # i like ANCIENT greek mythology. 03.22.24 # :> 03.22.32 # lots of butt humping. 03.22.37 # afru, latin came from greek 03.22.40 # WTF?! 03.22.54 # u mean u didn't knew? 03.22.56 # @qwm 03.23.00 # wtf? 03.23.16 # i think u guys deserve a history lesson sometime.. 03.23.23 # as in my WTF was not directed to you romanos 03.23.35 # whatever 03.23.46 # what afruff23 03.23.57 # lots fo butt huimping? 03.24.00 # of* 03.24.02 # when i'm hearing stuff like modern greek took from latin 03.24.02 # yeah. 03.24.08 # the greeks invented it. 03.24.15 # i'm sorry but that sound really hillarious 03.24.20 # :> 03.24.25 # :P 03.24.33 # isn't there a form of greek that doesn't use latin alphabet? 03.24.40 # listen 03.24.41 # yeah. 03.24.44 # ancient greek. 03.24.53 # latin took everything from ancient greece 03.24.59 # architecture 03.25.02 # way of thinking 03.25.10 # and even the alphabet 03.25.12 # those damn hispanics!!!!! 03.25.19 # yeah. 03.25.25 # dego twats are what they are. 03.25.33 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 03.25.35 # did they still butt humping too? 03.25.45 # -still+steal. argh! 03.25.54 # dunno 03.25.55 # * dpassen1 longs for the pre-iPod days =\ 03.25.59 # they didn't steal 03.26.04 # they stole the gyro and made it into the burrito 03.26.07 # they just borrowed.. 03.26.09 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 03.26.12 # lol 03.26.15 # no. 03.26.16 # fuck no. 03.26.21 # they pirated the greek culture. 03.26.24 # :( 03.26.32 # the RIAA is comign after them 03.26.37 # hahahahahahha 03.26.43 # :P 03.26.48 # RIAA is unfortunately thousands of years too late. 03.27.26 # don't worry.. there's a lot of riaa in this world.. 03.27.36 # only the initials changing 03.28.05 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.28.08 # :> 03.28.10 # all for profit.. 03.28.28 # why they just don't leave us alone? 03.28.42 # because big corporations pay them moeny 03.28.46 # money* 03.29.16 # they're saying that they're closing a lot of european servers 03.29.38 # some peer 2 peer servers like edonkey are already shut off 03.30.08 # and they're threating torrent major sites like isohunt as well 03.30.20 # hmm... 03.30.33 # yeah 03.30.36 # well, piratebay is in sweden. yay sweden! 03.30.44 # you can't blame them much for stopping people from pirating an OS 03.30.51 # it seems that in about someyears from now 03.31.00 # everything will be controlled.. 03.31.10 Part midgey34 03.31.16 # or perhaps the exact opposite if people get smarter 03.31.17 # it's not pirating... 03.31.23 # just sharing 03.31.29 # lol 03.31.35 # for us (students) is different 03.31.38 # yeah right 03.31.56 # If everybody pirated, then there would be no incentives 03.31.57 # like they don't get their money from major corporations.. 03.32.04 # for people to make things 03.32.21 # other than advertising 03.32.34 # u think ibm's target is how to sell a laptop? 03.32.55 # or how to set up a man network? 03.32.56 # no, I meant advertising as a way for profit 03.33.22 # screw the bastards.. have we got to pay for anything ? damn.. 03.33.29 # if they made things freeware, then they could only make moeny by allowing others toa dvertise on their site 03.34.15 # i can really understand the work of a programmer 03.34.36 # and i'm sure that he's got to be paid as well 03.34.41 # and in this shity life, i'm proud to be greek and try to maintain some human values wherever i am. 03.34.47 # startt by not pirating 03.35.30 # but saying that microsoft is going to lose money , is really absurd 03.35.37 # loose 03.35.50 # @Thats the best one all evening 03.36.07 # mc, is that sarcasm? 03.36.25 # and in this shity life, i'm proud to be greek and try to maintain some human values wherever i am. 03.36.32 # startt by not pirating 03.36.41 # lol thanks 03.36.49 # yeah 03.36.51 # right 03.36.59 # u want me to talk about u? 03.37.12 # oh man.. 03.37.13 # I'm jsut saying your logic is falwed 03.37.23 # yeah right 03.37.26 # if everybody pirated, then nobody would make new software 03.37.28 # sorry mr. perfect 03.37.39 # i ain't killed anyone 03.37.48 # i just downloaded some stuff... 03.37.49 # uh 03.37.54 # no, bu your stealing 03.38.06 # listen 03.38.08 # I think you think sharing software and making software are incompatible afruff23 03.38.19 # Rockbox is made even though people copy it 03.38.20 # steal is a kind of action 03.38.28 # And you can't steal software either. 03.38.29 # Just don't take the high ground if thats not where you really stand 03.38.30 # why is it turning into a debate... 03.38.36 # yes, but these people do it in their free time 03.38.43 # they could jsut one day stop devloping 03.38.44 # did i get to anyone's home and get anything? 03.38.46 # just* 03.38.53 # this is shit 03.39.02 # oh come on now 03.39.20 # what r u trying to point out? 03.39.35 # it's not a crime 03.39.43 # cause i've already said 03.39.51 # i'm using it for my self 03.39.57 # I'm saying there's NO REASON why Rockbox will continue to exist except for its users 03.40.17 # Troll man. 03.40.18 # ok, let's use an analogy 03.40.24 # I sneak into the movie theater 03.40.29 # I'm not stealing per se 03.40.40 # that's not an analogy 03.40.46 # but the makers of the film are making less than they could have 03.40.52 # internet, is not an analog space 03.41.00 # just like pirating software 03.41.01 # it's got no bounds 03.41.09 # and everything is anonymous 03.41.21 # ahhh 03.41.24 # that alst statement is false 03.41.28 # we share .. 03.41.41 # we don't sell to others.. 03.41.44 # there is something in greece, against piracy... 03.41.49 # afruff23, I'm offended that your stealing my time by using bad analogies. 03.41.56 # for christ shake. is it so difficult to understand? 03.42.04 # yeah.. i could have had more time if you didn't come and steal it 03.42.15 # lol 03.42.16 # Time STEALER! 03.42.31 # ok.. sorry 03.42.33 # so that's how people become immortal. they steal time from others. 03.42.35 # go on 03.42.36 # heheh.... 03.42.39 # haha 03.42.55 # :) 03.43.00 # if everybody pirated, then how would a programmer make moeny? 03.43.03 # money* 03.43.15 # You mean if everyone made copies? 03.43.29 # if one person bought a copy 03.43.34 # uh huh 03.43.42 # and then everybody else got a free copy from this oen guy 03.43.49 # one* 03.43.50 # uh huh 03.43.53 # afruff23: what about the ADDED sales resulting from increased exposure? 03.43.55 # are u all guys from the states? 03.44.16 # afruff23: maybe a 2nd job :) 03.44.29 # i reckon all the servers with pirated software are us based 03.44.31 # lol 03.44.38 # The programmer would get paid by his employer, and the copying is completely in line iwth an open-source license. 03.44.39 # u.s. based 03.45.05 # but where would the employer get his moeny from? 03.45.07 # lol 03.45.10 # money* 03.45.13 # you can rationalize all you want but the fact is if the author / owner has stipulated that his product is for sale and you obtain it with out purchase or leagal transfer of ownership 03.45.18 # you stole 03.45.24 # from the company headquarters! 03.45.24 # afruff23: how does red hat exist? 03.45.39 # believe me when i say they make money 03.45.45 # No mc_365 stealing is completely taking something that someone already has. 03.45.55 # goffa, from whom? 03.46.00 # Software can be replicated with no harm or impact on anyone. 03.46.01 # you've all guys have everything messed up in your minds 03.46.06 # afruff23: magic faries 03.46.12 # oh and that printing press 03.46.12 # everything man made someone has or has had 03.46.30 # Right 03.46.36 # so what if we all are dyslexic? 03.46.37 # companies are paying programmers for private programmes 03.46.39 # but your theory is blown to hell 03.46.40 # :D 03.46.50 # You'll never be charged with stealing when dealing with software, because that analogy is false propaganda. 03.46.51 # and romanos, you're the one saying that stealing is always physical.... 03.47.15 # yeah right 03.47.23 # I think you'll notice that when you make a copy of something, a copy doesn't cease to exist somewhere. 03.47.28 # Which means you cannot steal software. 03.47.42 # why won't everyone believe afruff23? remember red hat doesn't exist 03.47.51 # pay no attention to the man behind the curtain 03.48.12 # RoC_MM: unless you accidentally "Move" it instead of "Copy" it. :) 03.48.17 # suse is broke too 03.48.26 # so if you designed some new invention patent it the I took a picture of your blue print and produce the product your entitle to nothing cuase I didn't steal it 03.48.40 # mc_365, no we're talking about software, not an invention. 03.48.41 # and microsoft is just barely scraping by because of all of those evil pirates 03.48.54 # evil evil pirates.. 03.48.55 # its an analogy 03.48.59 # If you'd like to talk about inventions we can change the subject. 03.49.04 # piracy right now is not a problem 03.49.08 # I didn't take anything from you 03.49.13 # but if everyone were to pirate, then..... 03.49.14 # but I stole 03.49.15 # * RoC_MM has never seen a pirate. 03.49.29 # stealing is a physical action 03.49.31 # look in tthe mirror 03.49.35 # no its not 03.49.39 # arr, they sail the seven internet backbones, arr. 03.49.40 # Not applicable to something not tangible 03.49.55 # everything is tangible 03.50.09 # Major Companies are paying programmers for private programms. Companies are getting money by selling software to major other companies like : institutions, universities etc... etc... I'm just a poor guy who's downloading some software, occasionaly and i'm not stealling it because that software was on another computer , so i'm borrowing it. 03.50.12 # thought isn't. what produces it is, but thought itself isn't. 03.50.15 # RoC_MM: ARRR matey! 03.50.28 # mc_365, that cannot be true, as it conflicts with the fact that some things are not tangible. 03.51.16 # romanos just proves my point he knows it wrong but he says he's poor 03.51.17 # companies are not rely on individuals 03.51.20 # * afruff23 is thinking of a better analogy that won't steal your time 03.51.29 # Yes. 03.51.33 # so programmers never get out of job 03.51.38 # I'm tired of you pirating my time. 03.51.38 # cut the bullshit 03.51.45 # I go into a museum that has an entrance fee 03.51.53 # I take a pciture of it's entire exhibit 03.51.58 # and distribute it freely 03.52.04 # YOU THEIF!! 03.52.05 # fair enough 03.52.06 # oh wait 03.52.08 # that museum just lost a lot of business 03.52.13 # um.. no 03.52.18 # the museum probably gained a lot 03.52.19 # maybe 03.52.29 # people will want to attend if it is interesting 03.52.43 # I jsut said "entire exhibit" 03.52.44 # case in point... i download a cd by a band i've never heard 03.52.45 # just* 03.52.53 # i like the cd 03.53.01 # go and buy it 03.53.02 # guess who's going to the show when they come to town? 03.53.04 # :) 03.53.12 # u are 03.53.17 # oh wait.. i'm in jail 03.53.21 # but the fact is the owner wants to sell the anticipation of see great works of art and by distributing pictures you've stole that 03.53.25 # piracy is nto really applicable to music since CD sales don't really affect an artist's income 03.53.25 # Arr, matey... batten down the hatches, thar be virii and trojan about... 03.53.27 # because i'm a pirate 03.53.31 # they got msot money from touring 03.53.34 # most* 03.53.51 # its all stealing and we all know it 03.53.57 # i stole rockbox 03.54.00 # lol 03.54.02 # I do like everyone else 03.54.13 # then i paid more than what they would have charged me to liscence it 03.54.20 # u guys don't understand the term anonymous 03.54.21 # I just don't take high ground or justify it. 03.54.23 # as a donation 03.54.27 # in my ideal world, all software and music would be free 03.54.34 # but i'm a damned dirty theif 03.54.42 # don't try to bring equality to internet and real world 03.55.02 Quit pixelma (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- s0 d4Mn l33t |t'z 5c4rY!") 03.55.13 # I guess romanos you have hte motto "it's not stealing if oyu don't get caught" 03.55.23 # the* 03.55.25 # you* 03.55.29 # my moto is share not steal 03.55.31 # if it was all free then it would all be crap 03.55.45 # mc_365: people still need to get things done 03.55.46 # share damn it 03.55.51 # and rockbox isn't crap 03.55.54 # i'm making some music of my own 03.56.00 # and its free 03.56.01 # do i really have to sell it? 03.56.12 # i may like to share it with people 03.56.12 # linux is free 03.56.18 # if you didn't pay, license, or obtain through legit source what you are doing is stealing 03.56.19 # romanos_melodos: if you sould it it wouldn't be crap 03.56.20 # winamp is free 03.56.22 # sold 03.56.22 # that's my fuckin point 03.56.25 # fooabr2k is free 03.56.32 # they are crap then 03.56.39 # really? 03.56.45 # i don't think so.. 03.56.53 # so rockbox is crap then.. 03.56.58 # get out of here 03.56.59 # lol 03.57.00 # except most appsa ren't free 03.57.04 # I said if it was "All" free it would be crap 03.57.04 # aren't* 03.57.04 # they have to be because they aren't free... according to "< mc_365> if you didn't pay, license, or obtain through legit source what 03.57.08 # you are doing is stealing 03.57.09 # " 03.57.27 # for me , linux are way much better than windows 03.57.33 # so free is better 03.57.34 # romanos_melodos: me too 03.57.44 # I highly suggest some fo you guys take some sort of ethics class 03.57.44 # and not BECAUSE its free 03.57.47 # rockbox is great becuase the devs are constantly trying to show how good a DAP could be 03.58.05 # afruff23: i suggest you make your horse a low-rider 03.58.19 # castrate myself? 03.58.32 # i think there's a lot of tension in here for nothing.. 03.58.33 # I don't get oyur proverb 03.58.37 # your* 03.58.41 # actually that idea isn't bad either... then your genes wouldn't spread 03.58.42 # :) 03.58.53 # translation: get off your high horse 03.59.22 # I think everyone else is on the horse 03.59.23 # disqusting 03.59.54 # another analogy: say you own a sprouting software company and all your sfotware gets pirated, you have no moeny, your wife leaves you, you're homeless, you sell drugs, kids become drug dealers, cycle goes on 04.00.01 # software* 04.00.05 # moneY* 04.00.09 # :P 04.00.10 # Why are you entitled to have something the maker did not intend to give you freely 04.00.46 # sounds like your wife is a bitch.. and if you become a drug dealer because your software didn't sell, you have issues 04.00.57 # true 04.01.03 # as i said, software is mainly produced for companies. Have u heard a company that uses a pirated products?? 04.01.14 # yes 04.01.15 # best buy 04.01.24 # microsoft 04.01.28 # apple 04.01.34 # lol, more like "worst buy" with their prices 04.01.55 # compusa actually isnt bad when things are on sale 04.01.57 # and becuase they do good business you should be alowed to use said product for free 04.02.08 # compusa is my favorite physical retailer 04.02.15 # lota logic in that argument romanos 04.02.16 # that has chains 04.02.29 # afruff23: i mentioned best buy because they got caught pirating this month 04.02.40 # what did they pirate? 04.02.44 # iTUnes? 04.02.46 # lol 04.02.46 # no 04.02.52 # rockbox? 04.02.53 # :P 04.02.55 # winstone benchmarking tool 04.02.59 # i think 04.03.02 # MS used pirated codecs in WMP8 04.03.04 # and compusa's service plans or warranties or whatever are actually ery decent 04.03.05 # is that for audio tests? 04.03.05 # actually, it was best buy's geek squad thing, wasn't it? 04.03.19 # ms pirated xerox's shell to make windows 04.03.20 # it was 04.03.29 # compusa has soem of the best prices on networking prices 04.03.41 # I got my 802.11g router for $10 04.03.46 # is that why there's a xerox folder somewhere inside windows? 04.03.47 # :P 04.03.48 # brand? 04.03.51 # after $70 mail-in rebate 04.03.51 # 9 out of 10 companies probably don't have all the PC licenses up to date 04.03.53 # belkin 04.03.56 # romanos_melodos: probably 04.03.56 # ick 04.04.01 # i hate belkin 04.04.03 # it's worked fine for me 04.04.07 # linksys FTW 04.04.15 # linksys for the overpriced 04.04.21 # if you say so 04.04.34 # do you have linux on your belkin router? 04.04.38 # what's wrong with belkin's routers 04.04.41 # no 04.04.47 # but wh would I need it? 04.04.49 # why* 04.04.51 # i vote for netgear 04.04.52 # :P 04.05.06 # can you but linux on a belkin? 04.05.07 # freakin awesome 04.05.14 # mc_365: too late 04.05.20 # romanos_melodos: not really... 04.05.25 # no, I can't put linux on it , but again WHY would I want it? 04.05.45 # yeah its free 04.06.02 # afruff23: no, i cant put rockbox on my ipod, but again WHY would i want it? 04.06.04 # same thing 04.06.09 # no it's not 04.06.16 # just give me soem functions that it can do 04.06.19 # some* 04.06.28 # with linux 04.06.33 # on a router 04.06.45 # better firewall, routing, more stable dns 04.06.46 # is anyone using gentoo? 04.06.59 # better firewall? 04.07.03 # i mean linux gentoo.. 04.07.06 # yeah... 04.07.08 # NAt is more than enoguh for me 04.07.17 # routing? mroe specific please 04.07.25 # transmit power, port triggers, scripts 04.07.28 # stable DNS? Mine is stable 04.07.41 # netgear got 2 firewalls btw 04.07.46 # Port triggerring is already possible 04.07.54 # transmit power? more specific 04.07.57 # nat for sure and i don't remember what was the other one 04.08.05 # increased fields 04.08.12 # scripts? no idea how this could be applied to be sueful 04.08.24 # command shell, telnet daemon 04.08.32 # i think my iq is dropping 04.08.32 # afruff23: for startup and firewalls 04.08.32 # romanos, SPI? 04.08.40 # by listening to this debate 04.08.43 # what do you eman startup? 04.08.49 # mean* 04.09.00 # i think afruff 04.09.01 # would you rather i sai boot-up period? 04.09.27 # I still don't knwo what you eman by that? 04.09.33 # know* 04.09.36 # mean* 04.09.45 # then stick with your belkin router 04.09.56 # oh, you eman faster startup? 04.09.58 # mean* 04.10.11 # preglow: after listening to several more albums, I've had only one tick with musepack, the problem doesn't seem to be as bad as before, but it's still there 04.10.17 # it's already pretty fast 04.10.22 # afruff23: no 04.10.55 # care to explain? 04.10.58 # as in what you want started up, things you want to run on start up, commands to run...hell, think of what you can do 04.11.16 # again, application? 04.11.26 # think of one yourself 04.11.27 # im hungry 04.11.31 Quit muesli__ (Connection timed out) 04.11.34 # i am going out for food 04.11.35 # scorche: i don't think he's capable 04.11.50 # i'm off to bed.. nice talkin to ya all. Bye! 04.11.52 # goffa: i am giving him the benefit of the doubt 04.11.55 # Do a DoS attack on microsoft.com on startup 04.11.57 # :) 04.12.06 # uh....yes...with your router... 04.12.14 # good application 04.12.23 Quit romanos_melodos () 04.12.46 # still, I can't think of a time where I would need these new features 04.13.01 # then like i said, stick with our belkin router 04.13.04 # you could blame the DoS attack on trying to find where to download something. 04.13.06 # *your 04.13.28 # if you fail to see the usefulness of it, it isnt for you anyway 04.13.33 # so why do you blast Belkin, when the product is cheap and good? 04.13.48 # Most people don't need startp options 04.14.09 # because they tend to fail shortly after the 1 year mark 04.14.12 Quit Rick ("I… don't need to be here.") 04.14.28 # I ahve 2 belkin routers going on for 3 years 04.14.32 # have* 04.14.36 # i am happy for you 04.14.43 # like i said before, i am hungry 04.15.00 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Beefcake! BEEFCAKE!") 04.15.24 # hardeep: that doesnt help 04.15.27 # =P 04.15.40 # ha ha ha 04.15.50 # %?It %It|%Fn> 04.15.50 # %?It sorry 04.15.57 # %?It %It|%Fn> 04.16.02 # would that work 04.16.08 # in a WPS? 04.16.18 # test it and see... 04.16.23 # it is in fact too lines 04.16.27 # 2* 04.16.35 # maybe later 04.17.14 # let me rephrase, can you put line breaks within conditionals? 04.17.54 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 04.18.22 # which file info tag puts the least strain on retrieving it? 04.18.26 # is it filename? 04.19.22 # by default, is text aligned left, center, or right? 04.22.43 # anybody know? 04.23.51 # doesn't matter, they're all loaded in ram 04.25.23 # foudn answer to my last question 04.25.27 # found* 04.25.30 # it's left 04.25.36 # as I suspected 04.26.06 # anybody got a preference to left, center, or right? 04.29.59 # Crapflood pirate. 04.30.32 # sorry 04.30.38 # I;m used to IM chat 04.31.10 # ok....time for /exec -o fortune! 04.31.13 # everyone join in! 04.31.24 # The Ruffed Pandanga of Borneo and Rotherham spreads out his feathers in 04.31.24 # his courtship dance and imitates Winston Churchill and Tommy Cooper on 04.31.24 # one leg. The padanga is dying out because the female padanga doesn't 04.31.24 DBUG Enqueued KICK scorche 04.31.24 # take it too seriously. 04.31.24 # -- Mike Harding, "The Armchair Anarchist's Almanac" 04.31.34 # you know some of those are like 15 lines righT? 04.31.49 # that is what makes em fun...ya dont knwo what you are gonna get =P 04.31.57 # Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen. 04.31.57 # -- Albert Einstein 04.32.11 # i win 04.32.15 # okay 04.32.29 # im bored 04.32.34 # and hungry 04.32.36 # =( 04.33.33 # go to lemonparty 04.33.36 # lol 04.33.47 # om ok... 04.33.53 # even though that wont phase me 04.34.00 # i am a /b/ tard ;) 04.37.07 # in my WPS, shoudl I put text to show what part is the artist or title? 04.37.12 # or album or etc. 04.38.07 Join macdonalder [0] (n=macdonal@CPE00045af2dd15-CM0011ae92481c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 04.43.44 # Ic an't use multiple line conditinals 04.43.45 # :( 04.44.23 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.44.24 Join StringBlade [0] (n=brion@cpe-66-67-227-204.rochester.res.rr.com) 04.44.33 # good evening all 04.45.00 # I really hope someone's around because I think I'm up shit creek and I need some serious help :< 04.45.55 # just picked up an iPod nano 4Gb and went to install rockbox on it from linux 04.46.36 # following the installation instructions the first thing it said was to format the thing as FAT32 (it was already HFS because it got set up on my wife's iBook) 04.46.52 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.46.58 # you formatted ti wrong? 04.47.02 # it* 04.47.17 # well, here's the thing 04.47.27 # it says to format it, but gives no instructions as to how to do it from linux 04.47.48 # I think you have to use windows 04.47.52 # I may be wrong 04.47.56 # but the first thing I did was dd if=/dev/sda and dd if=/dev/sda1 04.47.57 # you don't 04.48.00 Nick scott666|work is now known as scott666 (n=scott666@c-24-245-75-109.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 04.48.05 # StringBlade: and of what? 04.48.05 # to get the mbr and main partition as backup 04.48.24 # of=mbr.bin and of=bootpartition.bin 04.48.35 # i guess you did count=1 on the first one then 04.48.39 # yes 04.48.41 # sorry 04.48.59 # heh, not the first time actually...it started grabbing the whole 4 GB 04.49.04 # so I stopped and did count=1 04.49.10 # but anyway 04.49.11 # anyway what you want to do is mkdosfs -F 32 /dev/sda2 04.49.21 # ah 04.49.27 # see, that eluded me 04.49.27 # now 04.49.35 # be very sure not to type hda2 or something like that 04.49.35 # :) 04.49.37 # the plot thickens 04.49.40 # right 04.49.57 # so after dl'ing all the files I might possibly need 04.49.58 # you can give more options if you want to set the volume label etc, but it seems rockbox eats that after a while anyway 04.50.10 # I give up on linux and decide to try to format the thing using the iBook 04.50.28 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 04.50.36 # DiskUtiliy let me format MS_DOS no problem 04.50.54 # but in the process (of one of the writes) it erased all the contents of the drive 04.51.08 # so it can no longer boot into it's normal OS 04.51.21 # write back your trusty mbr and boot partition backups 04.51.40 # I have to run in disk mode (for a while I thought I was fskd when it wouldn't recognize the USB when I plugged it in) 04.51.53 # did that, but it didn't fix anything 04.52.15 # so I tried one last time and managed to install the rockbox.bin semi-correctly 04.52.40 # I say semi-correctly because now it won't stop rebooting and flashing "Rockbox error: -1" 04.52.45 # try writing back the mbr, replug it, check that the partition table is correct, replug, write back the boot partition and format sda2 as fat32 04.52.55 # "loading original firmware" 04.53.06 # but the original firmware fails (apparently) and reboots 04.53.15 # and now it won't go into disk mode 04.53.30 # and the USB drive won't recognize it (because it's perpetually rebooting) 04.53.33 # :< 04.53.56 # if I press and hold MENU/SELECT it stops flashing 04.54.06 # but never gets to the disk mode 04.54.17 # i thought it's menu+play for disk mode 04.54.18 # 'cause if I press PLAY/PAUSE, it goes back to flashing 04.54.23 # right 04.54.26 # at the apple 04.54.27 # er, select+play 04.54.31 # er, right 04.54.42 # but if I let go of MENU/SELECT, then it reboots 04.55.00 # hold menuselect until it reboots and press select+play, and it should go to disk mode 04.55.14 # ok, whew 04.55.16 # just got it back 04.55.28 # now I"ll have to scroll up to see what's the dealio 04.55.33 # thanks for your help 04.55.36 # np 04.55.40 # I bought this for a road trip tomorrow 04.55.49 # and I figured it would be a breeze to set it up 04.56.00 # compared to the Windows or Mac install instructions 04.56.02 # *sigh* 04.56.02 # wow, even i wouldn't have started installing something completely new the day before 04.56.19 # well, it's a new device and I would have had nothing anyway 04.56.41 # I only have linux and OS X, and an OGG collection 04.56.46 # what's a guy to do? 04.56.47 # :) 04.56.58 # heh 04.57.04 # i see 04.57.43 # ok, mount tells me that sda2 is vfat 04.57.54 # so I should just have to dd the mbr back, right? 04.58.23 # maybe 04.58.28 # won't hurt 04.58.32 # well, I mean to get it back to not blinking 04.58.33 # :) 04.59.49 # well, I'm back to no flashing and it's only complaining (briefly) that it doesn't understand the mbr 05.00.03 # is it a problem that I grabbed the firmware from it after it had been formated in HFS 05.00.14 # and now I'm trying to write to it in FAT32 05.00.15 # ? 05.01.33 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB35DA0.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.50 # the other problem with the Mac instructions is that the latest ipod updates (with the firmware) do not conform to the structure laid out in the instructions) 05.02.00 # i.e. can't find Firmware* 05.02.07 # no idea guy, i think their firmware can handle both fat and hfs though 05.02.18 # Is it silly I encode things in differnt codecs just because my Rocboxed Nano can play them :) 05.02.28 # the iPod updater is mpkg not the other file type 05.02.28 # yes 05.03.29 # Mikachu: was that yes to me or StringBlade? :) 05.03.40 # you :) 05.03.57 # also, the instructions said the boot partition would be around 40-80M - mine was 30k 05.03.57 # Hey I feel bad if the codec sits there unused :) 05.04.19 # StringBlade: then you did something wrong heh 05.04.22 # Got a CD yesterday,,,ripped it to Musepack, just because 05.04.31 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.04.44 # Mikachu, then how do I get this thing back to factory settings? or can't I? 05.05.24 # StringBlade: well, they have a "ipod restorer" thing on apple.com 05.05.47 # Mikachu, I did follow the instructions exactly: dd if=/dev/sda1 of=bootpartition.bin 05.05.55 # just turned out to be 30k 05.06.23 # something is wrong at any rate 05.10.01 Quit afruff23 ("IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000") 05.16.06 Quit macdonalder ("bye bye ;D") 05.17.15 # Mikachu, ok, restore worked - I'm back to square one 05.17.29 # do you mind if I walk through the install with you? 05.17.36 # I can understand if you don't want to 05.18.12 # well, you can ask if you hit any problems 05.18.58 # I just want to verify my steps as I go along - that the file sizes sound right and if not, I"ll give you the commands I'm running 05.19.50 # I believe I need to unmount the player before I format it, correct? 05.20.21 # yes 05.23.21 # is there anywhere that describes the partitioning of the ipod? 05.23.24 # looks like 4 partitions 05.23.32 # or maybe just 2 or 3? 05.23.57 # anybody figure how to use foo_pod with 5G videos to rebuild itunesdb and keep file tree structure? 05.24.40 # k, I'm back to the problem I had before, the mkdosfs wiped the partion table, so fdisk -l /dev/sda shows no valid partitions 05.25.53 # are you running mkdosfs on /dev/sda or /dev/sda2??? 05.26.19 # sda .. d'oh 05.26.31 # time to reload :) 05.26.38 # good thing it's easy to do 05.28.09 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.28.57 # but I do format in msdos before grabbing the firmware? 05.29.00 # that seems backwards to me 05.29.05 # but what do I know 05.29.19 # doesn't matter, it's on a different partition 05.31.14 # bootpartition is only 30k again 05.32.16 # http://pastebin.ca/51933 05.32.34 # I guess I'll just have to use it as a normal iPod for this trip :( 05.33.00 # have you actually repartitioned it correctly? 05.33.14 # and also, you won't be able to extract any firmware from it after you format the whole device :P 05.33.35 # I restored the device from the iPod updater 05.33.40 # ah right 05.33.41 # then I formated just sda3 05.33.52 # ? there are only 2 partitions 05.33.53 # grabbed the mbr and sda1 (30k) 05.34.09 # I can't tell 05.34.16 # fdisk sees nothing 05.34.20 # cfdisk sees nothing 05.34.29 # but clearly, there's something 05.34.37 # when it's mounted, I have folders 05.34.41 # with some stuff in them 05.34.57 # the standard 4 folders (Calendar, Contacts, etc.) 05.36.17 # regardless, the wiki is a little parse on "how to convert HFS to FAT32" for the music partition, and I wonder if the bootpartion location hasn't changed with the latest Nanos 05.36.24 # oh well...I have to call it a night 05.36.27 # thanks for your help 05.40.52 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 05.44.08 # ok, I've been granted some amnesty - I've got some more time ;) 05.44.40 # it seems I can still run the iPod software after formatting the music partition 05.44.43 # this is a good thing 05.44.52 # but I can't explain the small boot partition 05.45.07 # any idea what I can use to find out more about the partitions of this drive? 05.47.13 # how about /dev/sda2? 05.47.17 # it's 64Mb 05.47.49 # it appears I have 3 partitions: 1, 2, 3 05.48.28 # parition 1 is only 31k, partiition 2 is 64M, and partition 3 is the music partition 05.51.58 # odd 05.52.03 # well, then sda2 must be your boot partition 05.52.52 Quit scott666 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.53.00 # got it 05.53.08 # I'm much happier nwo 05.53.09 # now 05.53.30 # I can see the rockbox bootloader (but it won't succeed because I haven't installed rockbox yet) 05.53.39 # and I can still boot into the original firmware 05.53.56 # again, many thanks for your help (and patience for an iPod n00b) 05.55.48 # maybe the newer iPods have a different partition table 05.55.50 # who knows? 05.56.14 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.56.51 # is anything on sda1? 05.57.45 # can't mount it 05.58.03 # don't know the filesystem 05.58.12 # hfsplus doesn't seem to work 05.58.26 # and mount can't auto-detect it 05.58.38 # huh 05.59.27 # StringBlade: want to send it? 05.59.42 # send what? 05.59.47 # sda1 05.59.55 # the result of mount? 05.59.58 # or the bin? 06.00.15 # yeah the contents of the partition 06.00.57 # sure, where you want me to send it? 06.00.58 # i'm just curious 06.01.03 # dcc? 06.01.17 # heh...IRC n00b too....kinda 06.01.23 # just /dcc Mikachu ? 06.01.36 # don't know about xchat, probably /dcc send Mikachu /path/to/file 06.01.45 # ok, I'll try that 06.02.54 # heh 06.03.05 # doesn't work? 06.03.09 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.03.10 # no, NAT 06.03.13 # yeah, 06.03.19 # what port do I need to open? 06.03.30 # not sure what i'd want to do with it though 06.03.39 # I'm happy to help 06.03.43 Part mc_365 06.03.43 # I can email it if you'd rather 06.03.45 # it's only 30k 06.03.51 # no, never mind 06.05.16 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-175-19.sd.sd.cox.net) 06.06.04 # new and different problem 06.06.07 # rockbox won't load 06.06.28 # because it says "No parition found - Partition 1: 0x00 0 MB" 06.08.02 # dammit...now I can't get it to load the iPod firmware again (just keeps trying to load Rockbox) 06.08.17 # n/m 06.08.21 # finesse 06.10.46 # well after all is said and done, I'm restoring it one more time. 06.11.12 # guess I'll have to try it some other time when I understand what the hell I'm doing here (I understand the concept, but clearly something's wrong) 06.11.28 # either Rockbox is making poor assumptions, or I'm not copying something in the right place 06.12.33 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-155-225.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 06.14.21 # just the root dir 06.19.00 # yes, but it seems Rockbox is looking at sda1 and not finding anything 06.19.16 # but sda3 is what gets auto-mounted when I plug it in to my computer 06.20.26 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.20.27 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 06.24.44 # do you think the problem may lie in this command? ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin 06.24.55 # where 0 should be 1 in this case? 06.26.09 # not sure...i am not an ipod person =) 06.26.18 # but you can always try it 06.26.26 # not tonight 06.26.30 # I just want something that works 06.26.42 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-237-21.dsl.pipex.com) 06.26.48 # I was hoping for Rockbox awesomeness, but that will have to wait for another day 06.27.00 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 06.27.15 # I chose the iPod because I couldn't find an iRiver H1xx or H3xx 06.27.28 # plus I have a friend who works for Apple 06.27.29 # : 06.27.31 # :) 06.27.36 # lol 06.27.57 # poor soul... 06.31.44 # StringBlade: which hardware? 06.36.42 # iPod nano 4G 06.36.43 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.64) 06.36.48 # hello 06.38.00 Nick slimeball is now known as _slimeball (i=jew@xion.phxhost.net) 06.38.15 # ah 06.38.38 Quit PiXEL8 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.38.50 # StringBlade: the iPod Video is apparently the most well supported platform for iPods and rockbox firmware 06.40.42 # jnc, good to know -- too bad I already have the nano :) 06.40.49 # it'll work at some point 06.40.54 # I just have to keep at it 06.41.01 # but now I must sleep 06.41.04 # g'night all 06.41.12 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 06.41.12 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 06.41.15 Quit StringBlade ("it's been fun") 06.43.32 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzz") 06.48.56 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 06.50.37 Quit TCK ("well, if you say so.") 07.12.20 Quit lostnihilist ("Leaving") 07.12.22 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 07.16.34 Join Lynx [0] (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 07.20.55 Join macdonalder [0] (n=macdonal@CPE00045af2dd15-CM0011ae92481c.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com) 07.28.13 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.33.56 Quit Lynx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.33.56 Nick Lynx is now known as Lynx_ (n=lynx@tina-10-4.genetik.uni-koeln.de) 07.37.20 Quit Jungti1234 () 07.42.22 Join scott666 [0] (n=scott666@c-24-245-75-109.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) 07.44.04 Join Hotfusion [0] (i=Hotfusio@ip70-185-188-75.mc.at.cox.net) 07.48.14 Quit gursikh (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 07.54.03 # lostlogic: hmm, crossfade mode should be always used when manually skipping (not the mix mode), that seems to be currently broken 07.54.30 # lostlogic: playback also stops occasionally and one needs to reboot the player to start it again (other attemps makes the player crash) 08.05.20 Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) 08.05.28 Quit infamis (Client Quit) 08.09.50 Join B4gder [0] (n=daniel@static-213-115-255-230.sme.bredbandsbolaget.se) 08.12.33 Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) 08.15.13 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 08.15.13 # * B4gder reads OpenNeo commits 08.16.14 # good morning 08.16.26 # good night 08.16.41 Quit infamis (Client Quit) 08.21.00 # Hmm :-( 08.22.10 # Too bad. gcc 4.0.3 -Os makes again smaller binaries than 3.4.6, but they also crash. 08.22.34 # * amiconn wonders whether we're doing something fundamentally wrong 08.23.55 # I actually have a suspicion... 08.24.25 # It'll be tedious to verify / correct it, but may be worth it. 08.39.32 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.43.20 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496765C.dip.t-dialin.net) 08.49.09 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 09.04.41 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.11.29 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 09.12.49 Join LinusN [0] (n=linus@rockbox/developer/LinusN) 09.18.30 Quit JdGordon (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 09.26.56 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 09.27.44 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.28.15 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.30.28 # got a first tshirt-arrived-fine confirmation now 09.31.12 Join julius [0] (n=julius@80.96.24.77) 09.31.18 # and now a second... :) 09.31.21 # B4gder: hmm, do you still have those tshirts available? 09.31.30 # yes a few 09.31.34 # only XL left 09.31.46 # oh, those are pretty big 09.32.03 # not _very_ big though 09.32.22 # they're not american XL :P 09.33.08 # haven't checked what I ordered and received but it fits perfectly 09.33.38 # you got an L 09.33.54 # unless I did a mistake ;-) 09.34.19 # hehe :) hmm, M would be fine for me but i guess XL might work also :) 09.34.32 # hehe 09.34.34 Join linuxstb [0] (i=dave@82-71-208-222.dial.in-addr.zen.co.uk) 09.34.35 # Slasheri, little guy :P 09.34.43 # petur: haha, not that little ;D 09.35.42 # just what we need: http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn9066 09.35.56 # eh?....what shirts? 09.36.27 # scorche: http://www.rockbox.org/mail/archive/rockbox-dev-archive-2006-03/0257.shtml 09.37.04 # * petur discovers that VoiceCode doesn't understand "fix bug" 09.37.40 # oooooooo 09.37.55 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-36-218.kotinet.com) 09.37.56 Join PiXEL8 [0] (n=PiXEL8@c-24-5-212-221.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 09.38.07 # and more pics here of course => http://daniel.haxx.se/devcon2006/ 09.38.16 # saw it 09.38.35 # what size is XL in american sizes? 09.38.42 # (prolly still too big for me =P 09.38.45 # S 09.38.52 # .... 09.38.56 # :D 09.38.57 # scorche: LinusN is using one on the pics 09.39.13 # how tall is he? 09.40.06 # well, I'm 190cm and I wear L 09.40.21 # cm eh? =P 09.40.28 # euro man here you know 09.40.32 # i'm 186cm 09.40.54 # 183 09.41.08 # you people are tall >_> 09.41.29 # damn euros 09.41.43 # =P 09.41.58 # midgets! 09.42.01 # :-) 09.42.04 # T_T 09.44.23 # ooo...money goes to rockbox project too >_> 09.46.18 # B4gder: save one for me...just need to re-arrange my paypal >_> 09.47.16 # ok 09.50.47 # and the correct english term for those, are "polo shirts" =P 09.53.04 # yeah, I've learned that by now 09.53.12 # bah...that was on the next message >_> 09.56.51 # hi 09.57.52 # question: rockbox(ipod): i set a directory to be played, and go to the playing screen. if i press O to browse the directories, how can i go back to the playing screen ? 09.58.37 # haha petur u're as tall as me :P 09.59.34 # Bg3r != B4gder ? 09.59.45 # scorche definitely not 10.00.10 # meh, i always thought Bg3r was just a condensed name for him =P 10.02.41 Quit cismo_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.03.22 # hahaha 10.04.45 # haha we should fill in a table in the wiki with this data :D 10.04.49 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.55 # does anyone have any idea? 10.05.09 # mooch: tried the manual? 10.05.21 # yup 10.05.22 # * B4gder has no ipod and doesn't know the button mappings for it 10.05.29 # but i will try again 10.05.32 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 10.05.41 # Bg3r: trying to be funny, eh? :P 10.06.26 # some kind 10.17.59 # weee.. no meeting today :D 10.18.21 # * petur spent the whole day in one big meeting yesterday 10.18.34 # yuck 10.18.39 # I hate it when they do that to me 10.18.39 Join Poka64 [0] (i=Poka64@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 10.18.54 # not even a luch break - they ordered sandwiches 10.19.01 # *lunch 10.19.04 # meeting hell 10.19.29 # yeah - and the result was almost nothing 10.29.18 Quit Rick (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 10.30.20 Join Rick [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 10.31.06 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-74.VIC.netspace.net.au) 10.31.14 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 10.37.04 Join RedBreva [0] (n=c1713011@labb.contactor.se) 10.42.37 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 10.45.17 Quit julius ("Leaving") 10.47.09 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3077.gwdg.de) 10.47.39 # hm, can i make sed to _delete_ a line ? 10.48.40 # D/ 10.49.06 # D/matching regex ? 10.49.10 # yes 10.49.17 # 10q :) 10.50.47 # actually I think it is /regex/D 10.56.05 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 10.58.55 Quit macdonalder ("bye bye ;D") 11.02.28 Join wehn [0] (n=wehn@42-94-185-210.rev.techex.net.au) 11.03.17 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-89-3.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.06.49 # mooch: You go back to the wps with Play 11.07.20 Join julius [0] (n=julius@80.96.24.77) 11.07.24 # * amiconn had an idea how to work around the weak alias issue with gcc 4.0 for sh rockbox 11.07.46 # Anybody knows whether/how it's possible to define weak symbols in assembler? 11.16.50 # amiconn: is very unintuitive... 11.17.10 # * mooch work 11.18.40 # * amiconn thinks it is rather intuitive 11.18.56 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.19.11 # You press PLAY to get to the while-PLAYing screen 11.19.52 # * Zagor detects a discussion we've had before, and notes again that "explainable" != "intuitive" :-) 11.20.15 # well, in this case I don't know what else could be intuitive 11.20.44 # I always thought it was a good idea to have a single button toggle between modes. not different buttons in different screens. 11.21.31 # I don't ;-) 11.22.07 # I think you focus too much much on what's written on/next to the buttons. 11.22.27 # I hear you don't have an X5 ;-) 11.23.06 # its not about what's on the keys to me 11.23.12 # Zagor: That depends very much on the target button layout. On archos it makes sense, on iriver and ipod it does not 11.23.19 # that's right. I have enough trouble understanding the buttons on the iriver. 11.23.55 # amiconn: i disagree. REC, for example, would be a perfect mode switch 11.24.02 # ?? 11.24.23 # REC means recording. Now that would be unintuitive... 11.24.53 # REC is menu/quick screen on x5 ;-) 11.24.59 # * B4gder leaves for lunch 11.25.08 # You can also see the red symbol as some kind of 'cancel' 11.25.08 # as I said: you focus too much on what's printed on the button. "A-B" doesn't mean "menu" either. 11.25.24 # yet nobody has a problem with that 11.25.52 # "ON" doesn't mean "toggle mode" 11.25.58 # I could go on a while. 11.26.11 # and yet it wouldnt solve anything... 11.26.30 # * petur fails to find a large trout to slap with 11.26.30 # yes it would, the mode switching would be much less confusing if it was always on the same button 11.26.53 # * scorche hands petur a baby leopard shark 11.26.56 # I doubt that 11.26.58 # its all i have =( 11.27.03 # I always find myself gambling between PLAY and SELECT to resume. which does what? 11.27.40 # werent you the one that was telling us that we focus too much on what is printed on the button? =P 11.27.55 # rofl 11.28.19 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.28.36 # Zagor: Imho that's the simplest part. SELECT does select a new file, PLAY just plays the current playlist 11.29.26 # * wehn senses a discussion on the play/stop mapping issue i've seen a few times? 11.29.34 # why does PLAY not play the file I'm on? there simply is no logic to this, you have to learn it by heart. like old chemistry lessons... :-) 11.30.17 # Zagor: See above; Play is not Select, and hence doesn't Select the file to play. 100% logical... 11.30.47 # i don't want to select. I want to play. word games does not make create logic out thin air... 11.31.51 # Here's a bug/discussion I had with Linus on a similar vein: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4933 11.32.48 # wehn: yes, this causes lots of confusion 11.33.12 # however I'm afraid we've had the chaos for so long it's more painful to fix now than keep it :-( 11.34.36 # I'm sure thats what they said about the imperial system... ;) 11.34.51 # * wehn ducks 11.35.02 # no, i'm used to it now too. 11.35.49 # I'm just worried we'll keep doing confusing keymaps on all new targets since we've discarded the basic philosophy. 11.36.00 # anyway, I'm off to lunch now. we can bicker more later :-) 11.36.20 # was going to ask what the basic philosophy was... 11.36.58 Quit JBGood (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.39.28 # Hmmmm 11.39.29 # $1 = {codec_frequency = 44100, frequency = 44100, clip_min = -134217728, clip_max = 134217727, track_gain = 0, album_gain = 0, track_peak = 0, 11.39.29 # album_peak = 0, replaygain = 0, sample_depth = 16, sample_bytes = 0, stereo_mode = 2, frac_bits = 27, dither_enabled = false, new_gain = true, 11.39.29 DBUG Enqueued KICK ravon 11.39.29 # crossfeed_enabled = false, eq_enabled = false, eq_precut = 0, gain = 0} 11.39.36 # what causes sample_bytes to increase? 11.41.23 # Well, nobody knows about weak symbols in asm? 11.42.43 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 11.42.43 # * amiconn now has a very strong suspicion what causes the crashes with gcc >= 3.4 and -O2 / -Os -- on all platforms 11.43.18 # amiconn: no, i don't remember much about it, was such a long time ago 11.43.29 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.9.64) 11.44.05 # hmm 11.44.07 # LinusN: Doing this would allow to build archos rockbox with gcc 4.0 and higher... 11.44.23 # i see 11.44.24 # Text viewer is strange.... 11.44.25 # ..since gcc wouldn't see these symbols anymore, and hence wouldn't complain 11.44.25 # amiconn: i know nothing about it but have recently seen some asm code using .weak symbolname 11.44.44 # check the assembly output from gcc 11.45.14 # My suspicion about the -O2 / -Os problem is that these options enable global cross-jump optimisation. 11.45.49 # However, iiuc switch_thread() must always be called the standard way, never jumped to 11.45.57 # This is what gcc does... 11.47.20 # Bg3r. you there? 11.47.23 # switch_thread is a bit of a hack... 11.48.18 # preglow: I agree that it is a bit hackish, but do you have an idea how to do it better? 11.48.34 # How does one implement threading in a clean way? 11.49.19 # amiconn: apart from writing the whole shebang in assembler, nope, heh 11.49.26 # * amiconn wonders whether there' s function attribute to tell gcc about the uniqueness of switch_thread() 11.49.40 # hey, Why does it do scroll for left, right? 11.50.06 # There is bug. 11.50.11 # 11:45 < amiconn> However, iiuc switch_thread() must always be called the 11.50.12 # standard way, never jumped to 11.50.16 # what do you mean, really? 11.50.32 # me? 11.50.55 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 11.50.56 # It has to be called with jsr / bsr, not jumped to with jmp / bra 11.51.24 # it does that??? 11.51.30 # Otherwise it won't return to the right place after going one thread round 11.52.27 # preglow: [11:45:16] My suspicion about the -O2 / -Os problem is that these options enable global cross-jump optimisation. 11.52.37 # And indeed it does that... 11.52.43 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 11.52.48 # preglow: jmp switch_thread 11.52.59 # riiight, i get it now' 11.52.59 # instead of jsr switch_thread, rts 11.53.08 # yeah, got that, just wondering how it could do it 11.53.10 # but i get it 11.53.14 # x09025664: 0xD102 mov.l @(0x00C,pc),r1 ; 0x09025670 (0x0F0007FC) 11.53.14 # 0x09025666: 0x412B jmp @r1 11.53.37 # but yeah, you can disable that one optimisation, yes? 11.53.40 # That's a snippet from sleep_thread() on archos, compiled with gcc 4.0.3 -Os 11.54.06 Quit lee-qid ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 11.54.21 # preglow: Yes, we could, but then we'd loose quite some optimisation potential 11.54.39 # I'd rather want to disable that for this one function only 11.56.40 # you really think that yields that big a gain? 11.57.31 # you know what option this is, btw? 11.59.44 Join asteele [0] (n=pugz@220-253-52-87.VIC.netspace.net.au) 12.00.18 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 12.03.04 # * asteele is looking for the ssh public key (for distributed builds) 12.17.13 # preglow: Looks like the option is -fcrossjumping 12.19.43 # then i wonder what the sibling calls option i had to enable to make O2 for arm work is... 12.28.06 Join changsito [0] (n=changsit@AAmiens-157-1-143-28.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.28.24 # hi 12.28.44 # just want to report some difficulties to play some ogg vorbis tracks 12.28.56 # on H120 with lastest build 12.29.41 # preglow: -fno-crossjumping increases binary size by almost 4KB (archos, gcc 4.0.3 -Os) 12.29.41 # in fact the tracks are encoded in 480 kps 12.30.03 # this seems to be the problem 12.30.36 # wow 12.30.48 # changsito: how does it not play them? 12.30.53 # codec error? just skip? 12.31.04 # no difficulties to play it 12.31.10 # it plays 5 sec, then stop 12.31.16 # then resume 12.31.19 # ahh, right 12.31.23 # it's just too heavy for our cute little cpu 12.31.47 # and only more optimising can fix it 12.31.49 # ok, i should just encode in 250 kps 12.31.58 # well, i sincerely doubt you can hear the difference :) 12.32.06 # Is there a "Codec Implementations For Dummies" somewhere? 12.32.14 # if you use 480kbs, you might as well almost use flac 12.32.21 # ok, thanks 12.32.22 # that is very fast on rockbox :-) 12.33.04 # i'll try flac then 12.33.22 # Anyone knows why wavpack is so slow on rockbox btw? 12.34.36 Quit Jungti1234 () 12.37.21 # it isn't _that_ slow? 12.37.29 # depends on how you compressed it 12.37.36 # normal compression is fast, high is not 12.37.53 # as to why, you need to ask david bryant that 12.40.07 # ah, okay 12.40.40 # Perhaps I should transcode everything to flac then. 12.43.02 # as i said 12.43.06 # normal compression is fast 12.43.11 # and still compresses better than flac 12.43.51 Quit quobl_ (Remote closed the connection) 12.43.55 Quit julius ("Leaving") 12.44.22 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.44.26 # btw, which codec is better for power saving ? 12.44.45 # hard to say. flac uses very little cpu, but needs the drive to be spun up all the time 12.44.48 # i'd probably say mp3 12.44.59 # it also depends on the player 12.45.03 # H120 12.45.06 # then mp3 12.45.12 # ok thanks 12.45.20 # LAME is my friend so 12.45.33 # yep, lame and good vbr settings and that'll be the best for power saving 12.45.53 # preglow: it's not just that... software companies are bad at supporting wavpack... :/ 12.47.01 # i don't think they're particularil adept at supporting flac either 12.47.07 # somewhat more than wavpack, though 12.48.34 # yeah 12.51.25 # Shall I put the old center-scrolling back or leave it like it is? 12.51.49 # center scrolling? we never had that? 12.52.30 # we used to call it that. The screen start scrolling before the cursor hits then last row 12.52.43 # It used to start scrolling at 1/3 from the bottom 12.52.53 # Now at 1 line from the bottom 12.53.45 Join quobl_ [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-00b116e29bb987c0) 12.55.14 # Is anyone against me changing it back? 12.57.08 # nooo! 12.57.12 # I mean, I am! 12.57.18 # ah :) 12.57.22 # isn't it configurable anyhow? 12.57.30 # no 12.57.39 # not right now 12.58.01 # Variable scrolling with the ipod wheel would be nice though :) 12.59.02 # i want the scroll margin to be a bit bigger than it is now 12.59.11 # but calling it center scrolling sounds like the cursor is always in the center ;) 12.59.15 # ipod-wise? 13.00.12 Join actionshrimp [0] (i=nn@dhcp-163-1-214-83.seh.ox.ac.uk) 13.02.11 # preglow: can you try if you like this? http://130.89.160.166/rockbox/scrolling.patch 13.05.42 # for what it is worth, i like the idea of centre scrolling :) 13.09.39 Quit quobl_ ("Leaving") 13.10.10 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-149-207.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.11.39 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3060.gwdg.de) 13.13.38 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-52-213.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.14.11 # Discuss: http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/... Only the H1xx page is currently populated, nothing is cast in stone, no zip files actually exist to download yet .. simple coments about the basic layout/concept please 13.15.01 # nice! 13.15.31 # why thank you kind sir.. 13.15.32 # I miss some meta-data like author 13.16.06 # and I believe you will need some info weather the package works on a stock rockbox or if any patches are required 13.16.18 # perhaps something about what rockbox version it works on 13.16.26 # (since the wps format change over time) 13.17.15 # but overall of course a great start 13.17.29 # sure, I havnt finished the HTML validation/accesability stuff yet (Comments from vis impared welcome), but sure addition data will be added shortly. 13.17.36 # Can't players with the same LCD specs be grouped together? 13.17.41 # B4gder: Good weather? 13.18.05 # rain! 13.18.22 # [13:16:09] and I believe you will need some info weather the package ... 13.18.38 # RedBreva: sorry, I now see they are :) 13.18.50 # now now are we mr I-always-spell-thing-right today? ;-) 13.18.58 # Should 'Stock' screens be displayed seperate to 'patch reqd' screen? 13.19.15 # s 13.19.27 # RedBreva: perhaps, but I think a clear marker would be nicer 13.19.36 # so that I can see as many as possible on one screen 13.19.44 # B4gder: ;-) Not really, just a funny one... 13.19.49 # a matter of taste of course 13.20.41 # sure, back soon.... 13.20.51 # * petur whispers WPS margins :P 13.21.16 # and a way to rate them 13.21.25 # would also be nice to have 'm for filetree and menu 13.21.38 # margins, that is 13.21.54 # re: key bindings 13.22.01 # * petur runs 13.22.15 # there should be a way one could re-do the bindings on a config file, and the use the one you like 13.22.21 # like ncmpc ;) 13.22.42 # ncmpc? 13.27.03 # mooch: Configurable button assignments were discussed again and again. Consensus was that we don't want them, as it would be a support nightmare 13.27.22 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.28.22 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.28.37 # and a bunch of work to boot 13.29.22 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.31.36 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@host-84-9-146-179.bulldogdsl.com) 13.31.59 # http://www.tomshardware.com/2006/04/28/small_is_beautiful/ <--- 1.8" disks review 13.32.24 # goodmorning everyone! Just a quick one. Is there any utility inside rockbox to show me the disk space i got left? 13.32.33 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.34.20 # romanos_melodos: menu -> info 13.34.41 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 13.35.25 # thanx petur 13.35.27 # :) 13.37.23 Quit RedBreva ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.38.14 Join Musicmad [0] (n=Musicmad@0x50a35b4b.unknown.tele.dk) 13.38.34 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3059.gwdg.de) 13.39.48 Part Musicmad 13.41.20 # * petur posts sa shameless rockbox advertisement on the tomshardware forum 13.41.44 # link? 13.42.03 # http://forumz.tomshardware.com/hardware/Hard-Drives-Small-Beautiful-ftopict183399.html 13.46.31 Join Nepbaland [0] (i=Nepbalan@sml13-1-82-232-135-217.fbx.proxad.net) 13.46.38 # * amiconn notices that his suspicion might be wrong 13.46.46 Quit romanos_melodos () 13.46.48 Join RedBreva [0] (n=c1713011@labb.contactor.se) 13.46.59 # http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_160x128x2.html 13.48.30 # me likes 13.49.09 # * preglow like too 13.49.49 # obviously they will all be tested to ensure thay work etc before going on, but the big question is which ones from the WPS gallery go on - all working ones, or just the ones I like :D 13.50.10 # heh 13.50.14 # i would like a rating system :P 13.50.32 # RedBreva: just get a basic set and let users submit the rest 13.51.16 # So is the basic page layout/format acceptable? 13.51.24 # sure! 13.51.29 # deedey 13.51.42 # damn, i have some crazy urge to start coding web backends again 13.51.46 # when the amount grows a lot, I can imagine that you'll need to introduce additional sorting/browsing wys 13.51.49 # ways 13.52.27 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.52.30 # and a rating system! 13.52.43 # rates will be very useful 13.52.44 # that allows people to log in and rate 13.52.49 # and also submit 13.53.02 # and show "most popular" etc 13.53.04 # True... at present it's hand coded html, cause it's easy for me to get the result I want... once it's a happy camper, I will strat to work out how to automated / add features etc... :) 13.53.17 # strat=start 13.54.02 # sure, no worries, nice to see someone working on it 13.55.00 # well talking of work... I had better do some now :( I will have a go at the rest of the pages later.... 13.55.27 # maybe make two categories (ragular /patched rockbox) in stead of repeating the remark below each wps? 13.55.35 # hehe 13.55.46 Quit RedBreva ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 13.55.55 # petur: RedBreva suggested that too but I asked for them on the same page ;-) 13.56.19 # sure, same page but another heading 13.56.24 # ah, right 13.56.28 # yes that should work fine 13.57.08 Join webguest72 [0] (n=c1713011@labb.contactor.se) 14.02.28 Quit webguest72 ("CGI:IRC") 14.08.32 Quit changsito ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 14.09.51 Join Gibbed [0] (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 14.09.55 Quit Rick (Nick collision from services.) 14.10.05 # did anyone implement a rating system for rockbox yet? 14.10.07 Nick Gibbed is now known as Rick (i=rick@pool-71-108-2-183.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net) 14.19.15 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@ppp121-197.adsl.forthnet.gr) 14.24.18 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.26.12 Join Hyperman [0] (n=5899408a@labb.contactor.se) 14.26.22 # hey there 14.26.51 # ho there 14.26.56 # hey there 14.27.02 # ho there 14.27.43 # does anyone know what's new about the develop of Rockbox for iriver H10? 14.27.56 # yes we know 14.28.00 # => nothing 14.28.46 # and no one is working on it 14.28.54 # would it be possible to implement some kind of accelerated scrolling on ipod, and have it togglable ? 14.29.37 # of course 14.29.42 # everything is possible :) 14.30.32 # i mean, is anyone willing to do it? ;) 14.30.44 # damm=\ 14.30.46 Join changsito [0] (n=changsit@AAmiens-157-1-143-28.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.30.47 # /me cannot code... 14.31.06 # but in your web site it said it's on develop 14.31.17 # I don't think so 14.31.20 # where? 14.31.31 # wiki probably 14.31.50 Quit changsito (Client Quit) 14.31.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/NonArchos#H10 14.32.03 # *read it* 14.32.36 Join changsito [0] (n=changsit@AAmiens-157-1-143-28.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.32.37 # "...no work has started on this yet..." 14.33.02 # not in the wiki i think 14.33.15 # oh ya 14.34.06 # Hyperman: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2437.0 14.34.58 Quit Hyperman ("CGI:IRC") 14.47.33 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.52.49 # i mean, sometimes i want to scroll to the end of the dir listing and it becames slooooooooooooooow to do it without accelerating scroll 15.08.39 # oh sweet! NSF-sound. 15.08.45 # Though it's slow and distorted, but it plays. 15.09.28 # cool 15.10.30 # or, hmmm.. I wonder how much I can trust this remote desktop sound transfer. 15.12.28 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp125-170.adsl.forthnet.gr) 15.17.10 Join quobl [0] (n=quobl@tor/session/external/x-c673a9f9e354f2eb) 15.21.38 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 15.21.41 # hi 15.21.44 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd58b.f.strato-dslnet.de) 15.22.15 # anyone ever tried to build a recent (4.0.x) gcc on freebsd for arm-elf ? 15.25.53 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 15.26.59 # ravon: RDP sound transfer over a slow link is delayed, but mostly reliable, only stutters occasionally. But it uses lossy on-the-fly compression (WMA), so quality is degraded 15.27.32 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 15.27.45 # amiconn: Thanks. Seems to be my fault. 15.28.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.31.45 # aaarg: "Makefile", line 822: Need an operator and so on ... this looks /bad/ 15.32.48 # dpro: are you using gnu make ? 15.32.55 # or rather, make sure you do that 15.33.57 # * dpro slaps forehead 15.34.02 # 'g'make ;) 15.34.17 # * dpro totally forgot there was another ... 15.34.24 # :-) 15.36.11 Quit B4gder ("time to say moo") 15.38.45 Quit Fitzsimmons (Remote closed the connection) 15.46.12 # if I leave the first (empty) partition untouched can I use parted to repartition the ipod video ? (I don't have access to pcfdisk on the ppc box and since my hd went south I can't really compile anything) 15.51.29 Join Kyomi [0] (n=fika@suidb4hhw41-5.acs.appstate.edu) 15.51.50 # Hmmm.. I do believe my mp3 player battery is screwed 15.52.13 # Kyomi: :( 15.52.14 # I thought it was just rockbox using too much battery... so I tried the stock f/w 15.52.26 # It worked fine the first time 15.52.32 # So I kept using it for a bit 15.52.38 # And today it lasted all of one hour 15.52.52 # Even the battery bar in the stock f/w said it was still full 15.53.07 # Here's the strange thing 15.53.19 # I could leave it off for a bit and it would recharge itself >.> 15.53.52 Join Una^ [0] (n=Una@80-46-78-232.static.dsl.as9105.com) 15.53.59 # Do you know the max mAh the h320 can take 15.54.00 # ? 15.54.12 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 15.54.15 # I want a longer lasting battery for it as long as I'm going to have to get a new one 15.54.57 # http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lithium_ion#Guidelines_for_prolonging_Li-ion_battery_life 15.55.27 Join linuxstb [0] (n=d556da1b@labb.contactor.se) 15.55.49 Join klrspz [0] (n=klrSpz@69.15.248.2) 15.57.50 # Hmmm 15.57.52 # Interesting 15.57.58 # But kinda doesn't help me atm ^^; 15.58.30 # only a new battery will help I fear 15.58.39 # petur: I noticed you closed this bug report a few days ago: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/4752 I've been meaning to ask you if you are 100% sure it's fixed - especially for the case where the WPS is using a backdrop (the %X tag). 15.59.21 Part LinusN 15.59.31 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3157.gwdg.de) 15.59.32 # ah damn, didn't test with a backdrop WPS, only with a WPS on top of a std backdrop 15.59.57 # will test that too 16.00.02 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 16.00.53 # I can't test, as it's only applicable to the H300 (the ipods reboot when USB is inserted). But I looked at the code, and I don't think the backdrop is either being cleared or returned to the main Rockbox backdrop. 16.01.10 # right :( 16.01.58 # shall I reopen it for now? 16.02.01 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 16.02.56 # I think so. I'm hoping to find some time to clean up the backdrop handling before 3.0. There are possibly a few places where it's not working correctly. 16.03.23 # ok 16.05.12 # Anyone have the link for the thread at misticriver about replacing a H320 battery? 16.05.57 Quit wehn (Remote closed the connection) 16.12.10 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=34257 16.14.38 # Hehe 16.14.45 # I was just reading through that 16.14.57 # What I need is a place to buy a battery ^^: 16.15.52 # hehe, just showed my ceo rockbox, he was like drooling 16.16.02 # :-) 16.16.05 # He should be. 16.16.11 # Rockbox is groovy 16.16.14 # he's the one who gave me my ipod 16.16.33 # he was like "wow i can't believe you can do that, i didn't think stuff like that was possible" 16.16.49 # showed him some plugins and he was like all apeshit about it, asked me to do it to his 16.16.53 # :-) 16.17.09 # Among the greatest things is the codecs support. 16.17.24 # yeah, gapless playback is a lifesaver 16.17.31 # klrspz: Show him Doom II? :) 16.17.41 # Kyomi, no i don't have the wad's on my device 16.17.50 # haven't gotten around to hunting them down 16.18.18 # i have the original game at my parent's house i'm sure... john carmack himself handed me the cd to both castle wolfenstein and doom 16.18.25 # well, diskettes actually :) 16.18.36 # i even have a few beta doom's as well 16.21.45 # klrspz: I...<3...you... 16.21.52 # heh, ok? 16.21.54 # Just how in the hell did that happend? 16.22.02 # I wanna meet him :P 16.22.12 # id software is like 30 min away from me 16.22.45 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 16.23.17 # and when i was a kid (when i was like 5) i wrote shit in gwbasic and qbasic and my dad was friends with a mutual friends, told him abou tme, then he told carmack about me, and then we ate dinner together once, where he gave me wolfenstein3d's first 2 levels on 3.5" floppy 16.23.47 Nick dwihno_ is now known as dwihno (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 16.24.06 # it was kinda cool looking back at it... at the time he was just another guy 16.25.17 # Hmmm.... http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=7157&Item=NWTIPOD210012 16.25.23 # Would that work for my h320? 16.25.34 # I'd just have to reverse polarity? 16.30.58 # woohoo 16.31.05 # I may of found a replacement :D 16.34.15 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@84.9.145.0) 16.35.32 # any chance for getting any more games on the next rockbox release? iBoy would be cool.. 16.36.13 # romanos_melodos: find some open source (GPL) ones... 16.36.28 # iboy?? 16.36.44 # will i be able to use then in rockbox petur? 16.37.19 # no but it's a first requirement for having them ported to rockbox 16.37.40 # Sounds like a gameboy emu for ipl. We have rockboy... 16.37.51 # amiconn: Yes, it is. 16.37.52 Quit klrspz () 16.37.56 # really? 16.38.06 # is there a game boy emulator in rock? 16.38.47 # Yes, but it needs work for the ipods - it doesn't work at all on some of them (e.g. the Nano), and the button handling needs improving on all ipods. 16.38.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy 16.39.52 # so it doesn't works on nano? 16.39.55 # damn.. 16.40.31 # isn't any way to gat that into my nano? Hope that someone is workin' on it .. 16.40.37 # *get 16.40.51 # http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=4680&page=1 16.41.13 # Or rather 16.41.13 # http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=7157&Item=NWTIPOD210012 16.41.17 # Which is what I meant :P 16.41.33 # This would work in my h320 right? Just reverse the pins? 16.43.32 # silly question, but how rockboy works on a colour ipod and not in nano? 16.43.48 # is it cause of the small display? 16.44.36 # Yes, the LCD routine needs modifying for each different LCD. It just hasn't been done for the Nano yet. 16.44.59 # so is it possible? 16.45.09 # Of course. 16.45.11 # i mean in the near future? 16.45.41 # i would really be glad to help in all means 16.45.56 # is anyone working on it? 16.46.45 # i mean getting rockboy in nano? 16.47.01 # No, I don't think anyone is working on it. 16.47.23 # It's obviously not a priority for anyone who owns a Nano. 16.48.34 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.48.51 # romanos_melodos: Where are you from? 16.49.06 # yeah where? 16.49.07 # haha 16.49.16 # i know it's going to sound really stupid, but if it's just the display analogy that changes , then we can just adjust the x and y axis 16.49.17 # lol 16.50.24 # i mean if someone could give me the source for it, i could take a look 16.50.45 # is that rockboy assembly or c written? 16.50.58 # It's in C. 16.51.23 # http://www.rockbox.org/dist/build-source/rockbox-bleeding.tar.bz2 look in apps/plugins/ 16.51.25 # * Genre9mp3 wonders if romanos_melodos is from Greece.. 16.51.28 Join RedBreva [0] (n=c1713011@labb.contactor.se) 16.51.56 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.51.59 # yes i am genre 16.52.08 # i've already pm you.. 16.52.30 # you must be registered to send pm romanos 16.52.36 # You must register your nick to chat private.. 16.52.41 # oh! 16.52.46 # didn't knew that 16.52.47 # oops...XavierGr got me.. 16.52.48 # :P 16.52.50 # OK, firsst stab at a platform with WPS's that require patches(X5)... http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_160x128x16.html again, links are not complete etc... 16.52.51 # It's not a huge job, so please feel free to look at it. The problem you have to solve is that the Nano's LCD is 172x136, and the Gameboy's is 160x144 - so you need to drop 8 lines from the display. 16.52.57 # wow, 3rd greek 16.53.02 # so another Greek guy 16.53.06 # that makes us 4 16.53.08 # not 3 16.53.16 # tvelocity is also from Greece 16.53.16 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 16.53.17 # gia sas ;) 16.53.24 # eh? 16.53.25 # tctc 16.53.25 # Wow!!! 16.53.25 # lol 16.53.30 # to kaname ellada edw mesa 16.53.31 # we are 5! 16.53.49 # dpro you are greek or you kidding? 16.53.49 # but, please, in english ;) 16.53.53 # RedBreva: woohoo 16.53.56 # but lets keep english , so anyone know what's going on 16.53.58 # :P 16.54.02 # Xavie: ematha ligo ;) 16.54.10 # lol 16.54.13 # haha 16.54.13 # pita talk ;) 16.54.22 # Ok....I live in Athens where you guys live? 16.54.30 # petur: You like it? 16.54.37 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-118.VIC.netspace.net.au) 16.54.40 # Genre: vienna (.at) 16.55.02 # RedBreva: getting better every iteration ;) 16.55.34 Quit Kyomi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.55.43 # muesli: I would just like to inform you that yesterday I ate you!!! :P 16.55.57 # LOL ;) 16.55.58 # * petur goes drinking some Orval (sorry preglow) 16.56.09 # Someone Igave me a candy bar named muesli! 16.56.11 # yeah i like muesli too 16.56.20 # i'm in the rockboy file.. which one is the main.cpp file where the display properties are? 16.56.23 # you deatheaters! 16.56.26 Quit petur ("beer time") 16.56.28 # my mother used to make muesli when i was younj 16.56.31 # young* 16.56.42 Join Kyomi [0] (n=fika@suidb4hhw41-5.acs.appstate.edu) 16.56.47 # now ur old and half dead? 16.56.57 # yeah 16.57.00 # Liddle sells muesli candy bars here! 16.57.12 # how can i register my nick btw? 16.57.34 # romanos: /msg nickserv help 16.57.38 # OK, now I *really* have some paid work to get on with :-( I have two weeks off, starting in about 1 hour, and I have "a shed load of stuff" to get sorted before I can go home... 16.58.19 # registering your nick here is easy, someone explain me how its done in quakenet... it must be rocket science or something:P 16.58.20 Quit RedBreva ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.59.11 Join israel [0] (n=10373019@84.229.195.120) 16.59.12 # downloads Firefox -----> http://planet.nana.co.il/hartk2003/FireFox7.htm 16.59.23 Part israel 16.59.38 # weee! 16.59.51 # OMG PONIES!!!11 17.00.00 # hahaha 17.00.03 # that's classic 17.00.17 # yeah 17.00.17 # * ashridah goes to look and see what fun rootkits exist in it 17.00.24 # it's teh rox0rz 17.00.34 Quit Nepbaland ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515") 17.00.37 # ponies are teh pwn 17.01.08 # feel free to /ignore me, i've been playing too much WoW lately 17.02.12 # ok here is the connecting chain between Greek Rockbox users. Genre9mp3 is my cousin and tvelocity my college costudent. What will romanos_melodos be? :D 17.02.21 # looked like too much aol for a minute 17.02.40 # aol is teh sux 17.02.50 # sorry i forgot to put an OMG in it 17.02.57 # OMG aol is teh sux!!!!11one 17.03.53 # no you need a wtf lol too 17.04.00 # omgwtfbbq 17.04.10 # there ya go 17.04.11 # bbq? 17.04.15 # barbeque 17.04.17 # yeah barbeque 17.04.20 # hahah 17.04.27 # w00t! 17.04.36 # linux stb , r u still here? 17.04.46 # i need a hand with that rockboy thingo 17.05.18 # i can't find tha main file , which includes the display preperties for rockboy 17.05.44 # *properties 17.06.21 # it would be great if someone could help m out.. 17.06.23 # me 17.09.20 # Thats nice.... 17.09.26 # http://eshop.macsales.com/Catalog_Item.cfm?ID=7157&Item=NWTIPOD210012 17.09.27 # <3 17.09.38 # H3x0 replacement battery :D 17.09.43 Join scf [0] (i=scf@r4.softwarium.net) 17.09.47 # hello 17.10.00 # According to misticriver thread fits in almost all iriver Hxxx :) 17.10.01 # dualboot is not supported for X5 yet? 17.10.05 # Only 20 USD :D 17.10.45 # Kyomi: Right. 17.10.49 # ^^ 17.10.57 # And scf: Right :) 17.10.58 # So long dying battery ^^ 17.11.07 # hehe 17.11.27 # Kyomi: I'd still try and see if someone with the exact same Hxxx model as you has tried it out first. 17.11.30 # Just to make sure :) 17.12.10 # Yeah 17.12.16 # romanos_melodos: You'll just need to read the source and try to understand it - I'm not familiar with the details. But I think the LCD display code is in lcd.c. The "main.c" file is probably called rockboy.c 17.12.21 # Theres like 19 pages in that thread 17.12.44 # Kyomi: SIYF 17.12.49 # Search Is Your Friend 17.12.59 # guys, what is the best practice for usage/charging schedule for X5? 17.13.09 # scf: Same as with any battery of that type. 17.13.12 # sorry if question is a bit offtopic 17.13.25 # i'm lookin at it right now linux 17.13.28 # TeaSea: and? :) 17.14.05 # the X5's battery isn't too comfortable sitting at 100%, doesn't mind 60+%, quite likes 40-60%, Isn't too fussed about 20-40% 17.14.10 # But it hates being at 0% 17.14.21 # So try not to let your battery run completely dry, or it'll screw it up quicker. 17.14.35 # (Which I found out after my battery was already borked :( ) 17.14.43 # so after changing the values to the ones i want to get and compiling both lcd and rockboy , in what dir should i place the folder? 17.14.53 # TeaSea: so if I listen to mp3s few hours per day, it is better to charge it a bit every day? 17.14.59 # Si 17.15.25 Join xmixahlx [0] (n=xmixahlx@64.122.111.98) 17.15.42 # btw, any way to see charge percentage? 17.15.49 # Nope! 17.15.52 # :P 17.15.57 # Somewhat in rockbox 17.16.05 # thnx 17.16.05 # That lil icon that the top left 17.16.26 # Or just go into Info => Debug => View Battery 17.16.28 # Kyomi: didnt try rockbox yet :) my x5 arrived just in the morning :) 17.16.33 # Stock f/w = nope 17.17.03 # The X5 firmware isn't too bad. 17.17.15 # i still can't send pm's 17.17.23 # The thing which severely let me down, as well as probably every other user, is the lack of updates. 17.17.33 # TeaSea: yea I've understand that it uses less power then rockbox atm 17.17.36 # TeaSea: Opinions on H320 stock international 1.29k firmware? 17.17.53 # don't i just need to put this on the main? => /msg nickserv help 17.17.56 # Kyomi: I haven't had a H3xx for a year, so wouldn't know. 17.18.02 # o.o 17.18.08 # What do you have now? 17.18.12 # X5 17.18.33 # Hmmm 17.18.47 # Looks like I'm buying US and flashing international again :/ 17.18.52 # TeaSea: only problem i had with x5 firmware was no mpc support 17.18.58 # goffa: mpc? 17.19.04 # "/msg NickServ register " if I remember well 17.19.05 # musepack 17.19.08 # goffa: ? 17.19.09 # guys should I use a downloaded bootloader or just build one from yesterday's cvs ? (I just set up my dev environment again and need to get back on track now) 17.19.09 # file format 17.19.16 # Never heard of it. 17.19.36 # not many people use it.. but better sound quality than mp3 at similar bitrates 17.19.41 # usually slightly smaller 17.19.44 # Kyomi: Careful. If you value DRM support (HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA) flashing international on a US H3xx will destroy DRM. 17.19.53 # lol 17.19.55 # Hell, flashing anything on a US H3xx will destroy DRM. 17.19.56 # I already did that 17.20.04 # DRM is ghey 17.20.05 # kanas ellinas akomi mesa? 17.20.13 # Kyomi: Si! 17.20.14 # me 17.20.15 # have a link for the x5? 17.20.27 # re sy genre, pws kanw eggrafi? 17.20.34 # i liked the article that called drm - Content Restriction And Punishment (CRAP) 17.20.38 # most accurate 17.20.44 # XD 17.20.44 # romanos_melodos: "/msg NickServ register " 17.20.53 # dpro: There's no need to compile your own bootloader - just download one. 17.20.53 # romanos: in english please 17.21.00 # linuxstb: k 17.21.53 # oh sorry it's "/msg NickServ register " 17.23.13 # I can't seem to find the x5 on iriver's site 17.24.02 # Try the iaudio site... 17.24.55 # Well excuse me... I didn't know it wasn't iriver :P 17.25.01 # Theres too much i 17.26.07 # Ack 17.26.14 # A bit smaller then the h320 17.26.23 # screen size that is 17.26.28 # I think this is 220x176 17.26.28 # Kyomi. iHopeItrunsLinux 17.27.42 # iHopeyouDie :P 17.28.20 # Anyway 17.28.29 # iHaveTogoNow :) 17.28.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.28.34 # LOL 17.30.18 Quit Kyomi () 17.33.56 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d157075.adsl.hansenet.de) 17.38.02 # :) 17.39.21 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.41.32 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A46856.dip.t-dialin.net) 17.43.15 # where do i have to go in order to launch rockboy? 17.43.35 # romanos_melodos: just select a .rom in the file browser 17.43.39 # you would better prefer rockgirl 17.45.05 # definitely 17.48.53 Quit ashridah ("sleep") 17.51.16 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.57.51 Quit linuxstb ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 18.03.24 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 18.04.23 # my bootpartition.bin is ~110M and rockboot is ~11M is that ok ? 18.05.16 # that sounds right 18.05.45 # yeah, i have the same numbers 18.05.54 # (5G ipod here) 18.07.07 # scott: yup mine is a video and now I can just dd it back to /dev/sda1 et voila ? 18.08.03 # i did it on windows, so i cant tell you for sure 18.08.11 # but if thats what the instructions say then yes 18.08.44 # * dpro goes looking for instructions but dd feels right ;) 18.13.30 # ok dd is the way ;) -> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallationFromLinux 18.14.42 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3083.gwdg.de) 18.23.15 # hmmm 18.24.00 # * dpro wonders if it is ok to use cfdisk to repartition ... since macfdisk doesn't see the partitiontsable and parted is just crap 18.28.08 # wow, will the patch 5219 libmad thing also help out iPod performance? 18.28.23 # looks like some pretty hefty tweaks. 18.29.12 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.29.21 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3083.gwdg.de) 18.30.25 # test it and find out? 18.31.48 # haha, indeed. 18.33.36 Join lee-qid [0] (n=liqid@p5496765C.dip.t-dialin.net) 18.33.42 Join webguest67 [0] (n=3ed6ebcf@labb.contactor.se) 18.34.43 # hey guys! 18.35.42 # hey guys! 18.36.20 # whats up 18.37.08 Quit webguest67 (Client Quit) 18.37.31 # well, an iPod uses an ARM core, so maybe, eh? we'll see after today's round of usage. :) 18.46.10 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 18.47.35 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3072.gwdg.de) 18.49.05 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACD039DB.ipt.aol.com) 18.50.42 # presence: where is this patch ? I can't seem to find it ... 18.54.25 Join ^BeN^ [0] (i=Paprica@DSL217-132-37-190.bb.netvision.net.il) 18.58.10 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.30 # k, found it 18.58.52 Quit Genre9mp3 () 18.58.57 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.02.42 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3072.gwdg.de) 19.07.20 Quit romanos_melodos () 19.08.00 Quit ^BeN^ ("MULEz SCRIPT: ERROR 103: Dead mouse in hard drive.") 19.15.41 Join ep0ch_ [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.188.34) 19.16.09 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 19.16.13 # Presence: 5219 was commited yesterday 19.17.45 # and apparantly knocks of 10% boost for ipod 19.19.18 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 19.19.31 Quit changsito ("So long, and thanks for all the fish !") 19.20.25 Join changsito [0] (n=changsit@AAmiens-157-1-143-28.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.26.31 # Yet another playback bug... 19.27.31 # When pausing while boosted, the engine doesn't unboost until unpausing again 19.27.52 # Isn't that an old one, or is it just a regression? 19.28.27 # Dunno whether it's old, just noticed it on my mini 19.28.31 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.28.32 # Ah 19.28.48 # I think I remember it being talked about in the past. But I could just be crazy. It happens. 19.37.10 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-175-19.sd.sd.cox.net) 19.38.13 # can it be, that rockbox messes with the settings of the original firmware when it crashes? My player (h320) just froze and after i resetted it the original firmware was reset to korean language and the contrast setting was higher than possible with the original firmware. 19.45.44 # Are there any more codec docs besides this one: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoftwareCodecPlayback ? 19.46.39 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@84.9.145.0) 19.47.11 Join Pavementartist [0] (n=macca@i-83-67-23-227.freedom2surf.net) 19.47.15 # it seem as if others have the same problem: http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=40829 19.51.11 Part Pavementartist ("Leaving") 19.51.20 # Wake up, #rockbox 19.51.28 # * t0mas yawns 19.51.31 # what's the problem? 19.51.35 # no way! 19.51.41 # There we go :) 19.51.57 # I'll pop a watery beer in your honor. 19.52.57 # This is frustrating. Can't figure out what makes the sound choke. Is it my code, the nosefart code or my init settings that mess it up? 19.54.12 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 19.55.51 # How slow is it to convert 8->16 bit from a lookup table 6*297 bytes every chunk iteration? 19.56.09 # PaulJam: I've seen this too recently 19.56.10 # does it use floating point? does it use any iram? 19.56.25 # * petur is reading the log ;) 19.56.56 # ep0ch_: hard coded array of 256 numbers 19.57.22 # And the plugin doesn't use floating point in the sound generation IIRC 19.57.29 # codec, even 19.58.09 # ravon: best thing is to put a patch in the tracker if you haven't done so already, many eyes and all that 19.58.46 # ep0ch_: Yeah, I will. Though I'm a Rockbox rookie, which is directly reflected in the code. It need cleansing :/ 20.00.25 Quit romanos_melodos () 20.00.52 # Crap! Resume doesn't work anymore on hwcodec. It pretends to resume, but plays silent. Starting a new playlist works... 20.02.23 # btw is pressing rec while starting equivalent to "reset settings" ? 20.03.50 Join xardoz [0] (n=43627bfc@labb.contactor.se) 20.05.15 Quit tvelocity ("Ex-Chat") 20.06.05 # rockbox-ipod4gray-20060428.zip and 4/27 hang at the Rockbox/version boot screen Ipod 4th gen Gray. I've reset settings while booting and still no go, when I go back to 4/26 build everything is fine. 20.07.05 # It gets even more strange :-/ When this silent play happens, the only way to fix it is skipping back to the start of the track. 20.07.46 # After that, stop & resume will resume correctly, but the wps time display is off by 2 minutes 20.08.03 # * amiconn suspects hardeep's playlist.c changes 20.09.54 # Only happens for certain playlists (i.e. directories...) 20.11.01 Join JBGood [0] (i=Johnq@JBAUMAN.RES.cmu.edu) 20.12.43 Join julius [0] (n=julius@80.96.24.77) 20.13.47 # ravon: when you mentioned about converting the lookup table every iteration, can't you just recalculate the the entire lookup table to 16 bit? 20.14.11 # ep0ch_: I can output the data in 16bit? 20.14.29 # To pcmbuf_insert, that is 20.14.43 # 28 bits iirc 20.14.59 # i dunno what i'm talking about :D 20.15.03 # :D 20.15.08 # The table is in 28bit now 20.15.20 # wtf... this seems to be an old bug (!) It happens in the root dir only (at least I observed it only in the root), verified on 2 units 20.15.25 # ohh 20.16.30 # One was an Apr 17 build, the other a current one 20.16.36 Part xardoz 20.17.49 # Slasheri: here? 20.18.18 # is lame able to convert 48khz wavs? 20.18.34 # convert? What kind of antiquated concept is that? 20.18.41 # should do 20.18.48 # decode as mp3 20.18.52 Quit quobl ("Leaving") 20.19.02 # encode 20.19.03 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.19.05 # I believe lame handles any sampling rate 20.19.07 # heh 20.19.30 # mk, will try it 20.19.36 # oops I am wrong 20.19.39 # "sampling frequencies of 32, 44.1 and 48 kHz" 20.20.12 # though it shouldnt be recognizable better quality huh? 20.20.14 # why lame? Vorbis is the way to go ;) 20.20.26 # dunno..dont like ogg 20.20.34 # how can you not like ogg 20.20.58 # runtime should be better on mp3 20.21.29 # it should, but rockbox has a pretty inefficient mp3 routine right now 20.21.56 # muesli__: what are you doing? what source has 48 mhz come from? 20.21.58 # right now? 20.22.08 # does audio recording work on ipod video ? 20.22.10 # have coldplays live dvd here 20.22.29 # it offers me to rip in 48khz 20.22.38 # muesli__: what mp3 player do you have? 20.22.41 # all dvds are 48k 20.22.47 # irivers h320 20.23.03 # best to convert it to 44.1 before hand really 20.23.07 # no 20.23.11 # god, conversion is lame 20.23.23 # rockbox plays 48k audio just fine 20.23.28 # otherwise you will use rockboxs resampler to do 48 -> 44.1 20.23.43 # resample? what are you talking about 20.23.57 # this ain't a CD player you know. It's not limited to playing 44.1 20.24.00 # iriver outputs at 44.1 20.24.09 # fine, but do you want your universe to revolve around iriver? 20.24.42 # an mp3 player does not last forever. eventually that iriver will break and you will (hopefully) get a decent player that isn't limited to 44.1 20.24.51 # anyway it doesnt matter, you wont hear a difference betweeen 48 and 44.1 :) 20.24.54 # do you at that point reencode your entire music collection? 20.25.07 # btw i have ac3 2ch/ac3 6ch / dts 6ch. just did ac6h but it sounds kind of dull 20.25.07 # * Galois is strongly against the concept of conversion 20.25.16 # Galois: Rockbox has a pretty crappy resampler though, so if you're listening to it on Rockbox on Iriver you *probably* want to resample properly, and rerip later if you want that slight improvement 20.25.18 # 96k wma is cd quality too *rolls eyes* 20.25.25 # hamm strange ... shouldn't pressing play while booting load linux.bin by default ? 20.25.40 # dpro: Holding play early enough will, yes. 20.26.27 # btw i have ac3 2ch/ac3 6ch / dts 6ch. just did ac6h but it sounds kind of dull, which one should rock? 20.26.29 # Galois: if your so strongly against it you should advocate leaving it its native format :D 20.26.51 # if I had infinite capacity then that's what I'd do 20.27.37 # also, eventually rockbox's resampling will be non-crappy (I hope) 20.28.26 # ah ok I was too late ;) ... tataa triple booting video, just need pcfdisk somewhere to make an ext2 partition for the actual / fs ;) 20.28.57 # dpro: I figured that was it. Even if the kernel bin file isn't found, it'll say "Loading Linux" and then fail. ;-) 20.29.52 # paul:yeah it loads linux just fine but then (obviously) fails with a kernel panic ... 20.29.53 # i have some mp3s with disorders while they are in irivers fw ok. could that be caused due resampling stuff? 20.30.00 # ok 20.30.49 # disorders? 20.30.58 # interferences 20.31.01 # errors 20.31.02 # ok guys thanks a lot ... ttyl gotta go to a nerd-club-mate party 20.31.25 # paul: BTW recording on ipod video is that possible ? (or what needs to be done/tested ?) 20.31.26 # muesli__: maybe, but most likely due to dodgy mp3 frames 20.31.27 # sounds like too much bass even when its at 0 20.32.40 # Paul_The_Nerd: Nobody said the resampler will always be crappy 20.33.07 # amiconn: That's true. I was just stating its current condition. I imagine that resampling once in advance will also be more battery-efficient though 20.33.47 # dpro: I don't know if it's possible to record by way of the headphone jack, but I think there's a line-in pin through the dock connector at least that'll probably be usable one day. Nobody's really done much in that direction at all, I believe, other than what code exists in iPodlinux that we can make use of. 20.33.57 # dpro: But I think that's mostly 4G and earlier related 20.35.01 # hmmm what shall I have for tea? 20.35.15 # pizza 20.35.24 # good choice :D 20.35.24 # ;-) 20.35.35 Quit Una^ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.37.13 Join bluebrother [0] (i=qA2m5Vv3@nat-wh-1.rz.uni-karlsruhe.de) 20.47.21 Nick changsito is now known as _chang (n=changsit@AAmiens-157-1-143-28.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.49.43 Join Una [0] (n=Una@80-46-78-232.static.dsl.as9105.com) 20.49.58 Nick Una is now known as Una^ (n=Una@80-46-78-232.static.dsl.as9105.com) 20.50.34 Join pixelma [0] (n=M_@212.204.41.115) 20.51.04 # payday rules.. you get to do things ... like buy food 20.54.18 # :D 20.54.50 # glad i don't have to pay rent or pay for my car anymore 20.54.53 # Sending in those tax report thingys does not rule though. How's one supposed to remember that? 20.55.05 # yeah.. this is true 20.55.25 # if uncle sam knows how much you owe, why don't they just send you a bill? 20.56.02 # Yeah! 20.56.24 Nick _slimeball is now known as _slimebal (i=jew@xion.phxhost.net) 20.56.57 Nick _slimebal is now known as slimeball (i=jew@xion.phxhost.net) 20.57.17 Join DpK|Cronic [0] (i=Cronic@dyndsl-085-016-089-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 20.57.35 # hi PaulJam 20.57.44 # instead of this goofy 40 page (or however many pages) form... asking questions like, "if the stars are in alignment with venus, and your gross adjusted total from form x40-p box C equals 49, fill out schedule 156f" 20.57.55 # place the total in box R 20.58.32 # in europe there's not even a bill. The government just takes the withholding and that's it. 20.58.55 # here, you're employer takes whatever they _think_ you owe 20.59.21 # and then you fill out some monkey-ass form to find out weather you over/under paid 20.59.37 # americans prefer their current system of graft, er I mean, tax deductions, even if the taxes they save all go to the tax preparers 20.59.40 # Here too, but it never adds up due to stocks and loans etc 21.00.21 # You're supposed to pay loans with non-taxed money, but you pay them with taxed. So you will almost always get money back. 21.00.21 # i'd like to just see a low flat tax with no deductions 21.00.25 # but then i'm not rich 21.00.53 # but i still think that if i was rich it'd be far 21.00.55 # fair 21.01.08 # i could give up a yacht so a poor guy could eat 21.01.34 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.54 # One hell of a meal. 21.02.13 # yup 21.03.39 # good thing our president is a genius and strives to make everything fair http://dumbpresident.com/ 21.03.47 # love some of those quotes 21.03.57 # like "It's your money. You paid for it." 21.04.25 # The same guy who wants 10 years for piracy? :) 21.04.32 # Talk about caving in for the money force. 21.06.34 # "I know how hard it is for you to put food on your family." 21.06.38 Quit DpK|Cronic ("get satisfied! • :: ««« (Gamers.IRC) »»» www.gamersirc.net ::") 21.07.05 # :D 21.07.10 # "now watch this drive" 21.07.24 Join DpK|Cronic [0] (i=Cronic@dyndsl-085-016-089-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 21.07.32 # hi PaulJam 21.09.13 Join romanos_melodos [0] (n=romanos_@84.9.145.0) 21.09.39 # i read a good post on neowin.net yesterday ravon. 21.10.09 # pedophiles, rapists, and violent crime gets you 6 years 21.10.16 # yup, that's the one :) 21.10.33 # so, you can find some artist you hate, beat the hell out of them, and get 6 years 21.10.37 # hi! Does anyone knows how can i prevent rockbox from shutting my ipod down when i'm leaving it idle? 21.10.38 # but if you download the cd, you get 10 21.10.50 # romanos_melodos: change the shutdown on idle setting 21.10.53 # Beating Craig David up and getting him in a coma for a week - 6 years. Copy his CD - 10 years. 21.11.01 # there ya go 21.12.19 # What if you just steal a physical copy of the CD from a store? What's the penalty for that? 21.12.21 # i've decided we don't have government 21.12.24 # we have an auction 21.12.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: good idea :) 21.12.52 # i'm sure its less than 10 years in PMITA prison 21.13.30 # petty theft is a misdemeanor. Your penalty is probably a fine and community service, although you can theoretically go to jail. 21.13.37 Join webguest14 [0] (n=5055393c@labb.contactor.se) 21.13.55 # has anyone any idea where can i find the guy who built rockboy? I need some help on gettin' that in ipod nano.. 21.14.32 # romanos_melodos: I imagine if the creator wanted to deal with it, he/she would've already fixed it. 21.14.55 # well.. he didn't 21.15.22 # gnuboy was initially ported to rockbox (iriver) by HCl 21.15.35 # Since then, a number of other people have worked on it 21.15.51 # how can i generate ID3 cache? 21.15.59 # well that's irrelevant. 21.16.02 # * amiconn optimised gfx for H1x0 a bit and ported it to archos recorder 21.16.20 # webguest14: Read the TagCache page on the wiki. 21.16.28 # thanks 21.16.32 # anyone who can help me port rockboy to nano? 21.16.58 # i think we've got to fix the dimensions and compile it.. 21.17.39 # is rockboy working on the ipod video? 21.17.44 # yes 21.17.54 # i havnt played with it yet 21.18.02 # do i have to find roms to use it? 21.18.07 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginRockboy 21.18.09 # yes 21.18.24 Join ProgramZeta [0] (n=zetachan@ip68-101-175-19.sd.sd.cox.net) 21.18.35 # http://romhustler.net/ 21.18.41 # It's not just fixing the dimensions. You have to figure out how you want to handle scaling (dropping X lines from one side or the other, splitting them among both, or taking every Xth line) 21.18.46 # go to game boy roms and download 21.18.51 # Please, don't paste links to illegal roms in the channel 21.19.17 # Scaling should be selectable, like on H1x0 21.19.43 # sorry nerd 21.20.23 # Gameboy is 160x144, H1x0 is 160x128. You can select to drop 16 lines from the top, 16 lines from the bottom, 8 lines each from top & bottom, or every 9th line 21.20.26 # well, it's just playin' around with the values on the x , y axis .. isn't? 21.20.45 # can u give me a hand amiconn? 21.20.47 # Since the 'nano is 176x132, you get 4 whole more lines. 21.20.53 # Yes 21.21.10 # It has to be decided whether the X axis should be scaled up 21.21.15 # On H300 we do this 21.21.44 # how does the scaling work on the ipod video? 21.21.49 # it doesnt 21.22.00 # it's either native size or nothing, it cant do fullscreen on the 5g yet 21.22.08 # nobody's fixerered it 21.22.09 # lol 21.22.22 # so it's better for the other versions? 21.22.27 # The controls also don't exactly work very well at all 21.22.50 # romanos_melodos: The fullscreen zoom is hard-coded for a 220x176 screen I believe, at the moment 21.23.12 # ok 21.23.28 # anyone who can help me out on doing this? 21.23.44 # Hmm, seems the scaling is quite different from what it used to be when I fiddled with it... 21.24.02 # amiconn: Karl went in and did a rework getting it to do colour on the H300, I believe. 21.24.06 # i've got the rockboy folder 21.24.22 # romanos_melodos: Well, you've not even asked any specific questions. How much have you looked at the code yet? 21.24.35 # yeah 21.24.58 # which is the file that i've got to chroot? 21.25.14 # how can i make crossfade working? 21.25.28 # i've downloaded the source 21.25.41 # but it's a folder with many .cpp files 21.25.41 # webguest14: What problem are you having with it? 21.25.59 # how can i convert .cpp to .rock? 21.26.03 # and make it work? 21.26.07 # doesn't hear any crossfadding 21.26.20 # webguest14: And you've enabled it, and set the delays appropriately? 21.26.30 # romanos_melodos: You're not going to have much luck if you don't know *any* C... 21.26.33 # are there eq presets somewhere on the site? i thought it was a bit odd that it doesnt come with any 21.26.46 # i know programming 21.26.50 # a little bit 21.27.05 # what's difference between crossfeed and crossfade? 21.27.13 # scott666: Well, nobody's submitted any. As it is, the EQ should really ideally be a more personal thing anyway, but yeah, nobody's submitted any. 21.27.18 # Will there be any more extensive developer docs for 3.0? 21.27.21 # webguest14: They'r explained in the manual. 21.27.23 # i just want to know how the heck u make the .rock file extension 21.27.44 # romanos_melodos: Which tells me you've not compiled Rockbox, because when you run through the compilation process, it compiles the plugins to .rocks on its own. 21.27.45 # This code looks quite hackish... In order to support more different LCDs, it seems necessary to restructure it quite a bit 21.28.27 # ravon: what more developer docs do you need? 21.28.29 # hmm that sounds tricky 21.28.32 # fade-in delay: 5 sec, duration: 5 sec, fade-out delay: 5 sec, duration: 5 sec 21.28.35 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.28.41 # mode:crossfade 21.28.49 # i thought that c++ makes just an .exe 21.28.58 Join Fitzsimmons [0] (n=Fitzsimm@HSE-Montreal-ppp3469390.sympatico.ca) 21.28.59 # preglow: Complete doxygened interface would be enat. 21.29.00 # neat 21.29.18 # romanos_melodos: It's C not C++. And it makes a .exe if you're compiling it for windows. In reality it depends on which compiler you use, what binary format you get. 21.29.55 # preglow: The current docs are mainly the source and some sporadic architecture explanations. 21.30.01 # webguest14: I'm not certain, but I think that would result in no audible delay and a 5 second gap between songs... 21.30.07 # so how can i get a .rock format 21.30.08 # ? 21.30.25 # romanos_melodos: As I said, when you compile Rockbox, it links and compiles the plugins as .rocks for you. 21.30.47 # oh ok 21.30.53 # Paul_The_Nerd: what do you suggest to use? 21.31.03 # romanos_melodos: have you set up your rockbox dev environment (cygwin, etc) yet? 21.31.08 # webguest14: Try setting both durations to 5 seconds, and both delays to 0. 21.31.25 # in which files should i look for the display properties? 21.31.27 # lcd? 21.31.54 # it's got an lcd file... 21.31.57 # Paul_The_Nerd: and which mode? 21.32.12 # lcd.c and sys_rockbox.c 21.32.34 # remember in which line is it amiconn? 21.32.39 # on the lcd? 21.32.40 # webguest14: Crossfade should be fine. 21.33.39 # it's rocking :) 21.33.56 # thank, paul 21.34.13 # No problem 21.36.31 Quit webguest14 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 21.40.39 Join yeahx [0] (n=aarond@c-67-183-44-119.hsd1.wa.comcast.net) 21.40.55 Quit ProgramZeta (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.41.09 # amiconn r u still here 21.41.10 # ? 21.41.15 # midkay: I know what's going wrong with the quickscreen when lines need scrolling... 21.41.36 # romanos_melodos: Towards the bottom in both files 21.41.50 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@adsl-69-151-246-132.dsl.hstntx.swbell.net) 21.43.56 # y = (((r * 263) + (g * 516) + (b * 100)) >> 10) + 16; u = (((r * 450) - (g * 377) - (b * 73)) >> 10) + 128; v = (((r * -152) - (g * 298) + (b * 450)) >> 10) + 128; if (y < 0) y = 0; if (y > 255) y = 255; if (u < 0) u = 0; if (u > 255) u = 255; if (v < 0) v = 0; if (v > 255) v = 255; PAL4[i] = (y< ? 21.45.15 Part yeahx 21.46.24 Nick scf is now known as unexterminatabl (i=scf@r4.softwarium.net) 21.46.25 Nick unexterminatabl is now known as unexterminatable (i=scf@r4.softwarium.net) 21.47.15 # is that it amiconn? 21.48.01 # No, that's just an rgb->yuv conversion. 21.48.15 # Also, you can't expect to just change one line 21.49.11 # if LCD_DEPTH ==16 int i;#endif if (!hw.cgb) { pal_write_dmg(0, 0, R_BGP); pal_write_dmg(8, 1, R_BGP); pal_write_dmg(64, 2, R_OBP0); pal_write_dmg(72, 3, R_OBP1); }#if LCD_DEPTH ==16 for (i = 0; i < 64; i++) updatepalette(i); 21.50.06 # this? 21.50.43 # i know that this is ridiculous :P 21.51.34 # romanos_melodos: I suspect that if you can't recognize which lines do the drawing you'll have a very hard time modifying them well. ;-) 21.52.15 # well.. i haven't done it before 21.52.46 # i'll have just to mess around since noone else is looking forward for bringing rockboy to nano 21.54.01 # It will happen sooner or later 21.54.17 # i wanna try it today 21.54.18 # lol 21.54.22 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 21.54.42 # There's a lot of vastly more important work to do in iPod anyway. 21.54.47 # It's just that the ipods currently aren't a priority (for specific adaptions) since they aren't a 3.0 release target 21.54.49 # I'll start playing games the day I have time for them... could take several years for that to happen ;) 21.55.12 # hi petur 21.55.25 # i think u tried to help me out this morning.. 21.55.26 # :P 21.55.32 # hmmm 21.55.59 # regarding rockboy 21.56.25 # I've never ever started it up 21.56.31 # :P 21.56.39 # well, it was something else then 21.56.40 # :P 21.59.20 # would the ipod flag for amarok still produce something usable for an ipod with rockbox on it? 21.59.59 Quit PaulJam (".") 22.00.04 # god, how i hate freebsd 22.00.28 # what now? i likes it 22.00.35 # i can't even get samba to work 22.00.50 # except when it crashed when it doesnt umount properly 22.01.08 # hmmm samba works fine here 22.01.11 # chi: Rockbox is much more flexible than Apple's firmware, so I can't imagine why not. 22.01.14 # * amiconn currently tries enabling gcc optimisation options one-by-one 22.01.20 # chi: You *may* have to use TagCache 22.01.50 # blargh 22.01.55 # preglow: i know using the backslashes the wrong way round on smbclient confused me for a while 22.02.01 # * amiconn accidentally deleted system.o 22.03.42 # ep0ch_: it runs ok and everything 22.03.47 # ep0ch_: but _REFUSES_ to authenticate me 22.03.53 # i've set up samba a million times on linux, easy as pie 22.03.58 # but on freebsd everything is bloody hard 22.04.01 # even the shell is useless 22.04.10 # :o 22.04.12 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@vpn-3010.gwdg.de) 22.04.35 # best of all, _IT DOESNT BLOODY LOG WHAT'S WRONG_ 22.06.15 Quit JBGood (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.06.20 # Isn't that an option in the config? 22.06.41 # And doesn't it log to syslog? 22.06.54 Quit romanos_melodos () 22.07.56 # arse 22.08.19 # freebsd has no syslog that i can see 22.08.23 # the other logs does not mention it 22.10.26 # no /var/log/samba? 22.10.38 # sure 22.10.42 # but it doesn't mention the auth errors 22.10.52 # nor does it mention anything at all when it doesn't find the password file 22.11.57 # does it work if you do it all manually via smbclient paramaters? 22.14.29 Quit lee-qid (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.14.58 # NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE whatever i do 22.15.11 Quit ep0ch_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.15.48 Join lee-qid_ [0] (n=liqid@p5496765C.dip.t-dialin.net) 22.16.03 # preglow: Do you try to connect to a windows machine (XP or 2003)? 22.17.04 Join ep0ch_ [0] (n=ep0ch@84.12.188.34) 22.17.20 # i'm trying to connect to localhost where i've got samba going 22.20.15 # Hmm 22.20.16 # you have 'allow hosts = localhost' i take it 22.20.32 # * amiconn has no idea where to look for problems in that case 22.20.51 # * amiconn also wonders why one would connect 2 *nix systems via samba 22.21.09 # amiconn: because of people with windows boxes 22.21.40 # ep0ch_: of course 22.22.05 # ep0ch_: you know how to use the tdbsam passwd backend? 22.22.26 # * amiconn doesn't see the connection 22.22.35 # auth is what is fucking up 22.22.43 # i just don't know how, since it never tells me 22.22.57 # right now i'm using smbpasswd, but i'd like to try another to see if it gets better 22.23.22 # luckily, the only way i know of to use the tdbsam backend is through the 'net' command, and that demands a password, god knows which 22.23.37 # it surely isn't the either mine or roots 22.25.08 # * preglow longs for linux 22.25.19 # everything in freebsd is cumbersome 22.25.38 # Even more cumbersome than in linux ;) 22.25.40 # ? 22.25.41 # ;) 22.25.42 # heh 22.25.44 # It might be. 22.25.52 # by far 22.26.02 # i find linux pretty straightforward 22.26.05 # probably since i used it so long 22.26.06 # anything special you come to think of? 22.26.56 # allo 22.26.58 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 22.27.17 Join petur2 [0] (n=petur@d54C1A8F0.access.telenet.be) 22.27.33 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 22.30.23 Join DarkJesus [0] (n=shane@cpc3-gree2-5-0-cust88.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 22.30.37 # Evening all... Have just spent a little time reworking the HTML on http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/ It should now be standards compliant, and passes almost all the accessability tests... The big question is, do the pages still display correctly on a wide variety of browsers, screen sizes etc. 22.31.05 # None of the download actually work yet... just RFQ on the look and feel etc. 22.31.35 # ... I have an idea. 22.31.46 # how about a wholeeeee new web site design 22.31.48 # the links dont go anywhere? 22.31.50 # RedBreva: I would suggest you divide them up by screen instead of by target. For example "220x176x16: H3x0 and iPod Photo" 22.31.55 # more "up to date" 22.31.56 # ah, ok then 22.32.12 # RedBreva: looks fine in konqueror 22.32.15 # Looks great on firefox 22.32.26 # RedBreva: There's no reason there should be ones that don't work on two identical screens on different targets. 22.32.28 # Why are there only 8 themes though? 22.32.34 # ditto, firefox 22.32.42 # ok on IE and firefox (windoze) 22.32.42 # looks fine but I vote a whole new design hehe. 22.32.56 # Paul_The_Nerd: if you click the links it appears that that is how its set up 22.32.57 # could use a bit more spacing above 'WPS for 'Patched' Firmware' 22.32.58 # * amiconn fires up his browser collection 22.33.18 # DInc :P 22.33.32 # scott666: I noticed that, but it seems more logical to me to not have several links to one page. Also, it'll make clear to people who don't know that the restrictions are by screen rather than target. 22.33.59 # RedBreva: seems ok in w3m (no pics though...) ;) 22.34.06 # hehehe 22.34.26 # RedBreva: Looks fine in Firefox 1.5.0.2 , and Opera 8.5 on XP with a 1280*800 resolution 22.34.43 Quit _chang ("So long, and thanks for all the fish !") 22.35.04 # anyone with netscape 4? :) 22.35.13 # i think the average user is going to have an easier time just clicking on /their/ player, but it could probably designed to make it obvious as to which players all have the same resolution 22.35.18 # OOOhhhh 22.35.35 # Netscape 4... I have to use that still at work! 22.35.38 # RedBreva: have you tried asking the w3 validator about it? 22.35.40 # ouch 22.35.46 # What you could do is have the link say "220x176x16bit" then underneath it the pictures of all players that use that screen. 22.36.24 # RedBreva: Checked Firefox 1.5, IE6, Opera 7, Opera 6, Netscape 4.7, Espial Escape, and Hotjava 22.36.26 # it looks fine in IE too, assuming its supposed to be all left-alligned 22.36.35 # RedBreva: it validates much better when switching to xhtml 1.0 22.36.56 # All looking okay within the capabilities of the browser, except there's a slight glitch in Opera 6 and Netscape 4.7 22.37.19 # in Firefox 1.5 i tried to download a .zip file, download seemed to be o.k. but the actual zip was empty 22.37.32 # but could also be my fault 22.37.35 # bluebrother: I use an offline validator, but I have still had occasions where extremely coliant code fails to display on some browsers, theyseem to prefer crap code IE 22.37.52 # shoot my speelins is carp tonight! 22.37.54 # RedBreva: There's a light-blue border around the whole page in Opera 6 and Netscape 4.7, Opera 7 also has that problem 22.38.15 # It seems these browsers do not default to a zero border if no border is specified 22.38.35 # amiconn: OK, will note this on the TODO list - thanks 22.38.36 # the online validator finds 5 errors, 1 when overriding the doctype to be xhtml 1.0 22.39.34 # Of course really old browsers will have a hard time since it's all style sheets... 22.39.42 # true 22.39.47 # pixelma: [22:31:07] None of the download actually work yet... just RFQ on the look and feel etc. 22.40.00 # * amiconn tries in AWeb 22.40.22 # i'm sorry - then i have to say: it looks good 22.40.37 # hehehe - thank you 22.40.38 # end of the day you only need to worry about IE5+ and Firefox really 22.41.07 # * bluebrother stopped supporting NS4 and IE < 5 some time ago 22.41.07 Quit petur (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.41.16 # OK, so the basic concessus, I didn't screw anything up too badly code wise... many thanks 22.41.18 # RedBreva: Even there it's actually usable, only the background is white, the table frames are missing and the links have their default colour 22.42.15 # so is in IE 3.1 too 22.42.34 # but should you want to be sure there's always the web browser archive at browsers.evolt.org 22.43.43 # ep0ch_: You still need the right OS... 22.44.15 # aHAAHA 22.44.23 # i can't get bloody nfs working, even 22.44.23 # what was it? 22.44.23 # ? 22.44.29 # PERCECT 22.44.38 # perfect.. 22.44.42 # inetd? 22.45.44 # RedBreva: You should consider putting size attributes into the tags 22.46.24 # I have on a couple of the pages, still working may way thro' them 22.46.30 # may = my 22.46.55 # "iriver H1320"? (typo on the 220x176x16 page) 22.47.28 # Corrected 22.47.56 # amiconn: speaking of which i think cvs.html could do with size attribs too 22.48.13 # Many pages probably have that problem 22.48.33 # Usually I don't notice, because both my pc and my connection are fast 22.48.54 # On Amiga it's very noticeable, because decoding images takes a bit more time 22.49.25 # On the iPod Video page, if I put full size images, it will be rather unmanagable... smaller thumbnails?? size?? 22.49.57 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@ool-457286ab.dyn.optonline.net) 22.50.05 # Just put 2 per row 22.50.22 # lots of scrolling then tho? 22.51.03 # Also slow to d/load page 22.51.54 # Why not do it like our forums. Smaller thumbnails but clicking switches to a full res image? 22.52.01 # Or are you going to have the images a link to the WPS .zip? 22.52.53 # Zoom on mouse over 22.52.56 # * amiconn hides 22.53.09 # RedBreva: a "back to themes front page" link on the sub pages would be neat too 22.53.25 # amiconn: What like http://startfromhere.redbreva.com/ 22.53.48 # Bagder: True, will do 22.53.54 # RedBreva: Not bad... 22.54.08 # Is it intended that the image always appears in the top left corner? 22.54.36 # yes, my coding isn't yet up to anything more sophisticated :( 22.55.15 # amiconn: I'm more of an onclick fan, myself. 22.55.23 # * petur2 points RedBreva to overlib 22.55.33 Nick petur2 is now known as petur (n=petur@d54C1A8F0.access.telenet.be) 22.55.46 # Hmm, the rockbox frontpage does show proper background colour in non-css browsers 22.56.14 # * Bagder browsed rockbox.org with netscape 4.7 the other day 22.56.21 # (and link colours are also mostly as intended) 22.56.22 Quit julius ("Leaving") 22.56.36 # * amiconn tried with AWeb and IBrowse 22.57.49 # petur2: interesting, will have a proper lok at that sometime soon... 22.58.34 Part gursikh 22.58.43 # Bagder: Netscape 4.7 does have css support (although buggy) 22.58.57 # well 22.59.05 # it was the only browser I had 22.59.12 # I didn't choose it 22.59.32 # RedBreva: http://www.bosrup.com/web/overlib/ 23.00.10 # OK folks, I have been summoned to spend 'Quality Time' with the wife... must go, I will continue in the morning... 23.00.35 # rockbox.org using 23.00.43 Quit RedBreva ("Chatzilla 0.9.72 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 23.00.57 Join webguest31 [0] (n=549b65b4@labb.contactor.se) 23.01.42 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-15-140.tn.glocalnet.net) 23.06.28 Quit webguest31 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 23.06.30 Quit sharpe (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.06.56 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.10.20 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m132.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.12.49 # Does the audiosctobbler patch work then? 23.13.12 # *audioscrobbler 23.14.48 Quit Moos (Client Quit) 23.15.16 Quit DpK|Cronic (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.15.58 # You could always try it... 23.16.00 # judging by the talk in the patch entry it sounds like it may 23.16.56 # There isn't one in a daily build then? 23.17.04 # nope 23.17.12 # I've never patched the rockbox firmware before - I'll give it a try 23.17.13 # feature freeze 23.17.26 # Yeah, if there's still a patch tracker entry, odds are very good it's not in the daily. 23.17.27 # Is there any instructions on how to do it on linux? 23.17.43 # DarkJesus: plenty! 23.17.45 # The WorkingWithPatches wiki page. 23.17.56 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/DocsIndex#For_Developers 23.18.41 # Cool 23.18.56 Join DpK|Cronic [0] (i=Cronic@dyndsl-085-016-089-198.ewe-ip-backbone.de) 23.19.01 # PaulJam back 23.19.26 # What's with the -p0, -p1, etc? 23.19.49 # DarkJesus: that's mentioned too 23.22.11 # I don't understand it though 23.22.24 # it cuts off pieces of the file path from the left 23.22.37 # number of slashes to ignore 23.22.59 # -p2 == ignore everything up to the second slash (from the left) 23.23.44 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 23.24.26 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 23.25.06 # What does this mean though? 23.25.38 # patch files contain the filenames of the files that are affected. 23.26.14 # depending on the directory level your in when generating / applying the patch the paths need to be adjusted. 23.26.47 # so you can strip a part of the path. This is controlled with -p 23.27.16 # Erm... 23.28.09 # So if you are in /home/user/rockbox/ you'll need to use p3? 23.28.14 # or p2 23.28.20 # no 23.28.32 # it depends only on the actual patch you apply 23.28.37 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.28.50 # and the source tree you're applying it to 23.29.26 # can you instead tell us what your problem is? 23.30.07 # In /home/user/rockbox/, for *most* patches -p0 is actually what you want. 23.30.13 # OK 23.30.58 # say your patch file wants to patch rockbox/apps/metadata.c. The patch was generated from within the rockbox dir, so it contains a reference to apps/metadata.c. If your in rockbox/apps this means you need to strip the first path element (the apps/). From rockbox/ you don't need to strip anything at all, i.e. -p0 23.31.08 # just read man patch. 23.31.26 # it's a really descriptive man page including examples. 23.32.14 # Hmm, gcc does strange things... 23.32.41 # Why does -O plus all options said to be enabled with -Os not produce the same output as just using -Os ? 23.33.14 # maybe it makes other choices that aren't available as separate options 23.33.14 # You just answered that question :) --> Hmm, gcc does strange things... 23.33.42 # I think the important piece of information here is that it's "gcc" which as you've mentioned doesn't seem to be the most reliably consistent piece of software. 23.33.59 # The binary size difference is >)KB 23.34.02 # >9KB 23.35.49 # ...and the -Os binary hangs, while the ( -O + all extra options) (both minus -funit-at-a-time) does not 23.36.00 # Shaky stuff :( 23.36.23 # Too bad, it seems we have to stick with gcc 3.3.x for archos if we want to use -Os :-( 23.37.40 # really strange 23.37.52 # yeah... 23.38.44 # I wonder whether we're doing something wrong. -O2 works fine for plugins today (except the switch() corner case which I have a patch for) 23.39.01 # ..whether we're doing something wrong in the core, I mean 23.39.16 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 23.42.38 # i have a question concerning the vmware image: is it normal that it takes ages to boot? after 15 minutes is is at the stage "uncompressing linux..." 23.43.30 # once booted, just pause the player, don't shutdown ;) 23.44.12 # so it is normal? 23.44.50 # probably not 23.44.54 # depends on the computer I guess, can't remember that it took that long 23.45.32 # this is on a pc with 3 GHz and 1024 MB ram 23.46.29 # that's certainly not normal 23.46.52 # the first time i booted it on my laptop (quite a bit slower) took ~2 minutes 23.46.58 # now it takes ~20 seconds to resume it 23.51.21 Quit bluebrother ("Leaving") 23.53.19 Quit asteele () 23.55.13 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (i=steve-o@adsl-64-217-217-181.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 23.55.22 Quit petur ("here today, gone tomorrow") 23.57.01 Join TCK [0] (n=tckocr@81-178-198-88.dsl.pipex.com)