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00.00.06 #       <Bagder> humulus: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=1
00.00.10 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: it's only on manual skip, right?
00.00.26 #       <Bagder> 473 open feature requests
00.00.37 #       <Mikachu> do mine, do mine!
00.00.38 #       <captbunzo> ok. here's a simple question.
00.00.44 #       <petur> hehe
00.00.58 #       <captbunzo> say I want to totally "reset" the rockbox OS.
00.01.14 #       <petur> what player?
00.01.21 #       <captbunzo> ipod
00.01.26 #       <captbunzo> Can this be accomplished by deleting .rockbox and rockbox.ipod?
00.01.29 #       <petur> boot it with hold on
00.01.31 #       <Bagder> humulus: the x5 port is very new so its still lacking a few basic things that work on other targets Rockbox runs on
00.01.37 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic: I think yes, let me check again the manual change from filebrowser.
00.01.47 #       <captbunzo> yeah - that doesn't seem to REALLY reset everything.
00.01.53 #       <humulus> Bagder: but mp3/ogg works properly?
00.01.59 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic: and I am sure that there is nothing wrong on normal track change (when a track ends)
00.01.59 #       <Bagder> humulus: yes
00.02.01 #       <Mikachu> captbunzo: no, that won't clear your settings
00.02.02 #       <humulus> Bagder: and video?
00.02.07 #       <Bagder> no
00.02.12 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: that's all I meant -- any other change is 'manual'
00.02.15 #       <Mikachu> captbunzo: boot with the hold switch on
00.02.19 #       * lostlogic out for now.
00.02.20 #       <petur> captbunzo: what do you understand with reset?
00.02.46 #       <captbunzo> Rockbox is very consistently hanging on boot.
00.03.02 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic I remember you saying that filetree change is different than right/left change.
00.03.12 #       <captbunzo> I can usually get it to reboot through a combination of reboots and reset reboots.
00.03.25 #       <captbunzo> I figured reinstalling the OS isn't a bad idea.
00.03.38 #       <humulus> ok i'll check it out :)
00.03.41 #       <captbunzo> just wanted to make sure that I deleted everything.
00.03.42 #       <petur> you can wipe the folder and ithe rockbox.ipod file
00.03.59 #       <Mikachu> captbunzo: you saw what i wrote?
00.04.15 #       <captbunzo> yep.
00.04.16 #       <petur> in case you think a file got corrupted
00.04.21 #       <captbunzo> unfortunately, I was already doing that.
00.04.37 #       <captbunzo> petur: a file - are we talking a ROCKBOX file? or something else on the hard drive?
00.04.42 #       <captbunzo> like an audio file.
00.05.10 #       <petur> rockbox.ipod or whatever there's in the .rockbox folder
00.05.17 #       <captbunzo> yep.
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00.05.35 #       <captbunzo> well, I'm doing a reinstall of the OS files.
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00.07.12 #       <captbunzo> ok. first boot after I "reinstalled". And it's hung.
00.07.42 #       <captbunzo> It shouldn't stay on the splash screen, correct?
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00.09.30 #       <petur> sorry, I'm no ipod expert
00.09.42 #       <captbunzo> ok. thanks anyhow! :)
00.09.55 #       <petur> have you booted with hold on already?
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00.14.26 #       <captbunzo> yep.
00.14.31 #       <captbunzo> and it will boot on.
00.14.48 #       <captbunzo> the CPU frequency debug screen fails automatically.
00.15.30 #       <petur> then sorry, can't help any further
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00.53.17 #       <Mikachu> HCl: about skype, http://www.blackhat.com/presentations/bh-europe-06/bh-eu-06-biondi/bh-eu-06-biondi-up.pdf
00.55.12 #       <HCl> who wha
00.55.23 #       <Moos> is there any X5 users around please?
00.55.24 #       <HCl> thanks o-o
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01.01.55 #       <humulus> Moos: yes but i'm not running rockbox yet
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01.05.16 #       <Moos> humulus: thanks, I just thought I need the Cowons directories for upgrading...
01.06.03 #       <Moos> I just upgrading to the dual-boot fw and trying to see if that works
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01.07.12 #       <Moos> working... I'll can now switch to cowan's fw if I need to listeb Radio, or USB OTG :)
01.07.42 #       <Moos> but that remind me original fw aren't so good :(
01.08.31 #       <Moos> sleep time here, bye all
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01.37.03 #       <sjgrox2x> Hello
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01.41.55 #       <sjgrox2x> Anyone around that could possibly help me out?
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01.43.52 #       <midkay> sjgrox2x, no, since you haven't told us what you need help with.
01.45.05 #       <sjgrox2x> I have spent the past few days to try and get a patch to install on t my ipod. I have read all of teh tutorials well at least I think all of them on how to do and waht to do. I ahve tried both VMware and cygwin and cant get a patch to work. 
01.45.26 #       <midkay> what's the problem?
01.46.06 #       <sjgrox2x> I am pretty much lost on how to get the patch converted (at least I think what i read means to convert it) and then put it on to my ipod.
01.47.16 #       <sjgrox2x> I know i read countless posts from other people on teh forums that this is a tough task and you need to have somewhat of a background in programming but my programming knowledge in limited
01.47.25 #       <midkay> converted? you need to compile it..
01.47.33 #       <sjgrox2x> Yes, that is what I ment, compile.
01.48.22 #       <midkay> well, if you can give us a specific error you get, or be more specific about the problem..
01.48.48 #       <sjgrox2x> Well i seemed to have gotten closer with Cygwin
01.49.04 #       <midkay> vmware's the easiest, i think..
01.49.09 #       <sjgrox2x> I am not really sure how to compile the patch
01.49.12 #       <sjgrox2x> But this is what I did
01.49.15 #       <midkay> either way, an error message would be nice..
01.49.18 #       <midkay> k
01.50.05 #       <sjgrox2x> I guess i was skipping the compiling patch and just trying to go straight to adding the patch by typing: patch --binary -p0 < patchfilename 
01.50.22 #       <midkay> and then what happened?
01.50.24 #       <sjgrox2x> I skipped the compiling because I could never get tot he folder that I downloaded the patch to
01.50.29 #       <sjgrox2x> O
01.50.32 #       <sjgrox2x> When i tried to add it 
01.50.33 #       <sjgrox2x> It says this
01.51.47 #       <sjgrox2x> Before it was asking me for the File to be patched
01.52.02 #       <sjgrox2x> but now it says "Bash: patch: command not found"
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01.53.41 #       <midkay> so patch has been uninstalled somehow..
01.53.47 #       <midkay> or you're not running cygwin
01.53.54 #       <sjgrox2x> I am running cygwin 
01.53.55 #       <midkay> (which it looks like you are, never mind)
01.54.17 #       <sjgrox2x> Hrmm, not sure how it got uninstalled, Should I run the setup again?
01.54.37 #       <midkay> if you like. if you still have VMware installed, it's probably a lot easier.. everything's already set up.
01.54.52 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea
01.54.53 #       <sjgrox2x> I have that
01.55.13 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
01.55.15 #       <sjgrox2x> I have it running
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01.57.06 #       <midkay> did you try patching?
01.57.16 #       <sjgrox2x> It does not work when i try
01.57.22 #       <sjgrox2x> Always say the directory doesnt esist
01.57.26 #       <sjgrox2x> *exist
01.57.44 #       <midkay> you're specifying the right patch file name, right? vmware doesn't use the cygwin folder..
01.57.59 #       <Zoide777> hi
01.58.08 #       <Zoide777> has anyone here tried the rockboy patch on a grayscale ipod?
01.58.19 #       <sjgrox2x> By specifying where the patch is, I am typing C:/rockbox/thepatch.patch
01.59.04 #       <Mikachu> that's most likely wrong
01.59.13 #       <midkay> sjgrox2x, sorry, vmware might be a bit confusing. it emulates linux, and doesn't use your C: or D: drives.
01.59.32 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea, I dont really know how to use linux :S
01.59.56 #       <Mikachu> basically, just leave out the drive letter
01.59.58 #       <Mikachu> there is only one /
02.00.05 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok, let me try that.
02.00.16 #       <Mikachu> and of course, give the correct path to the patch file
02.00.19 #       <midkay> Mikachu, but his patch is on C:\ and vmware does *not* touch any of your standard drives...
02.00.31 #       <Mikachu> right, you have to put the patch file on the filesystem first
02.00.33 #       <midkay> you can't even access anything on C: if you try, without copying it over..
02.00.36 #       <Mikachu> or you will have limited access
02.01.06 #       <sjgrox2x> OK, sorry for being new to this... How do I upload the file to the linux system?
02.01.30 #       <midkay> you need to go to 'my network places' and look for 'user' or 'homes' on debian server..
02.01.48 #       <midkay> try to enter either, and use "user" and "rockbox" for the username/password
02.02.41 #       <sjgrox2x> "My Network Places" on my computer?
02.02.47 #       <midkay> yeah
02.03.21 #       <sjgrox2x> What would be the server I am trying to connect to.. Like the ip or link to it?
02.03.35 #       <Mikachu> i think \\debian
02.04.14 #       <sjgrox2x> "Windows Requires a Share to publish to. Please try another location."
02.04.16 #       <midkay> yes
02.04.53 #       <midkay> hmm..
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02.11.53 #       <Zoide777> \\debian isn't working here either... it was before though
02.12.36 #       <Zoide777> "Windows cannot find '\\debian'.  Check the spelling and try again, or try searching for the item by clicking the Start button and then clicking Search."
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02.14.36 #       <midkay> logged onto vmware, right?
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02.16.00 #       <Zoide777> yes
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02.17.06 #       <Zoide777> yes
02.17.35 #       <midkay> works for me..
02.17.40 #       <midkay> sometimes i need to log into users or home first
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02.31.02 #       <sjgrox2x> Hey midkay are you still around? My modem lost connection for some reason (comcast sucks) and it just went back on. Do you think you can help me some more?
02.31.26 #       <midkay> i'm sorta here, yeah :)
02.31.35 #       <midkay> did you try checking 'my network places'?
02.31.38 #       <sjgrox2x> Awesome.
02.31.44 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea, when I went to network places
02.31.55 #       <sjgrox2x> it gave me some error that it could not to connect to it
02.32.00 #       <sjgrox2x> Going to check
02.32.11 #       <midkay> hmm.. wait.. windows firewall? disabled? disable any firewalls that are on..
02.32.57 #       <sjgrox2x> "Windows requires a share to publish to. Please try another location"
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02.33.03 #       <sjgrox2x> I think its disabled, letme check
02.33.13 #       <midkay> triple-check, it's caused trouble for people before..
02.33.20 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
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02.34.41 #       <sjgrox2x> Well I have nver had this error before.. When I try to view the windows firewall i get this: Due to an unidentified problem, Windows cannot display windows firewall settings."
02.35.10 #       * midkay raises eyebrows
02.35.16 #       <ashridah> google the error message
02.35.22 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok.
02.35.35 #       <ashridah> most things are in msdn, which google tends to index
02.35.41 #       <ashridah> including direct quotes of error messages
02.38.20 #       <sjgrox2x> I got to restart, brb.
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02.44.02 #       <sjgrox2x> OK, googled worked :D
02.44.33 #       <sjgrox2x> Midkay, what did you want me to type in my network places? \\debian\user?
02.44.43 #       <midkay> \\debian
02.44.53 #       <midkay> should get you to the share..
02.45.05 #       <midkay> does that work?
02.45.09 #       <sjgrox2x> No
02.45.15 #       <midkay> :S
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02.45.19 #       <sjgrox2x> Windwos requires a share to publish to. Please try another location.
02.46.02 #       <midkay> i'm lost. i guess it's back to cygwin..
02.47.17 #       <sjgrox2x> Ugh... Ok. Do i need to update cygwin then?
02.47.41 #       <sjgrox2x> Because last time that took me 1+ hours
02.47.54 #       <Mikachu> sjgrox2x: if you type "wget google.com" in vmware, does that work?
02.48.27 #       <sjgrox2x> Yes
02.48.36 #       <sjgrox2x> No
02.48.39 #       <sjgrox2x> nvm
02.48.41 #       <sjgrox2x> it works
02.48.43 #       <Mikachu> heh
02.49.08 #       <Mikachu> just give the url to the patch instead of google.com then
02.49.16 #       <Mikachu> you'll need to put '' around the url probably
02.49.18 #       <Mikachu> or ""
02.49.22 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
02.49.36 #       <midkay> Mikachu, how does he access the build after it's compiled?
02.49.49 #       <Mikachu> that's a later problem
02.49.49 #       <midkay> i guess he could manage it from vmware..
02.50.15 #       <Mikachu> i used http for file transfers when i used vmware
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02.51.34 #       <Mikachu> but my situation is reversed
02.51.46 #       <sjgrox2x> Sorry, but how to I paste with vmware
02.52.03 #       <Mikachu> you'll have to type it
02.52.07 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
02.52.16 #       <Mikachu> you can use tinyurl.com or something i guess
02.52.36 #       <sjgrox2x> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11447... That link doesnt seem right since its not a file type, but is it?
02.52.56 #       <Mikachu> wget won't name the file correctly, but it will have the correct contents
02.53.01 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
02.53.07 #       <Mikachu> you can give -O mypatch.patch if you want
02.53.12 #       <Mikachu> or just rename it afterwards of course
02.53.36 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok its saved
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02.55.12 #       <sjgrox2x> When I do a dir I get index.html (which is teh google page I assume) index.html?getfile=11447 and rockbox-devel
02.55.32 #       <Mikachu> the getfile one is your patch...
02.55.53 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea.. sorry I dont know linux, how do i rename that?
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02.56.28 #       <Mikachu> mv inde<press tab> file.patch
02.56.47 #       <Mikachu> heh you have index.html too
02.56.49 #       <Mikachu> rm index.html
02.56.50 #       <Mikachu> first
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02.57.48 #       <sjgrox2x> Awesome!
03.00.11 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok, now when i type: patch --binary -p0 < file.patch I get what i was getting when i was using cygwin
03.00.35 #       <Mikachu> what is that, and why are you using --binary?
03.01.04 #       <sjgrox2x> That is teh command I read to do in the tutorial for compiling
03.01.21 #       <sjgrox2x> Im taking a screen shot now
03.02.02 #       <sjgrox2x> http://www.impulsivehosting.com/hosted/patch.jpg
03.02.39 #       <Mikachu> what does pwd say?
03.02.47 #       <Mikachu> ah wait, the path is in the xterm title
03.02.55 #       <Mikachu> you need to cd to the rockbox dir first :)
03.03.41 #       <sjgrox2x> Do i have to move the patch there too?
03.03.56 #       <Mikachu> you can say < /home/user/file.patch instead
03.04.02 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
03.04.57 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok, awesome, it just came up with a bunch of Hunks that succeeded
03.05.07 #       <Mikachu> none failed?
03.05.17 #       <sjgrox2x> Not that I see
03.08.43 #       <Mikachu> hooray
03.10.18 #       <sjgrox2x> Going to go read on in the tutorial, further i got so far. thank you so much for your help so far
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03.10.35 #       <Mikachu> you're welcome
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03.29.36 #       <sjgrox2x> Mikachu are you still around?
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03.34.18 #       <Mikachu> yes
03.34.41 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok, after I made the zip.. "rockbox.zip" What is my next step?
03.35.15 #       <Mikachu> i guess you could use yousendit or something like that
03.35.23 #       <sjgrox2x> What if I have webhosting
03.35.28 #       <sjgrox2x> Could I upload it to it?
03.35.55 #       <Mikachu> sure
03.36.08 #       <sjgrox2x> What would be the commands for that.. sorry :S
03.36.21 #       <Mikachu> that would depend on the webhost
03.36.40 #       <sjgrox2x> What depends?
03.36.52 #       <sjgrox2x> I have ftp access if thats waht you mean
03.36.52 #       <Mikachu> do you use ftp?
03.36.57 #       <Mikachu> okay
03.37.03 #       <Mikachu> try 'ftp host.com'
03.37.48 #       <sjgrox2x> ok
03.37.49 #       <sjgrox2x> im logged in
03.38.18 #       <Mikachu> put rockbox.zip
03.39.10 #       <sjgrox2x> Ok
03.39.12 #       <sjgrox2x> I think it worked
03.39.47 #       <sjgrox2x> Sweet
03.39.56 #       <sjgrox2x> Genious... :D
03.40.13 #       <Mikachu> i would work on getting the windows filesharing thing working if i were you
03.40.15 #       <Mikachu> heh
03.41.10 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea that would be a lot easier to use... I will figure that out later.. For now, this is awesome!
03.41.20 #       <sjgrox2x> Do you need any webhosting?
03.41.34 #       <Mikachu> no thanks, i have 100mbit at home :)
03.41.40 #       <sjgrox2x> :O
03.41.42 #       <sjgrox2x> Im jealous
03.41.58 #       <Mikachu> it will only be 10mbit after the 21st
03.42.11 #       <sjgrox2x> That sucks, but its still better then my connection
03.43.35 #       <sjgrox2x> Just my luck.. After getting all this to work, my ipod isnt showing up
03.43.51 #       <Mikachu> is vmware still running?
03.44.06 #       <sjgrox2x> Yup, figured that was the problem since it keeps saying your ipod has been disconnected
03.44.24 #       <Mikachu> i think vmware can be set to steal usb devices
03.44.31 #       <sjgrox2x> It stole it :@
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03.44.50 #       <Mikachu> just for fun, does this work?
03.44.57 #       <Mikachu> mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt
03.45.05 #       <sjgrox2x> Where do you want me to type that?
03.45.11 #       <Mikachu> in vmware, as root
03.45.20 #       <sjgrox2x> Lemme load i tback up
03.45.24 #       <Mikachu> if it does, you can install rockbox on your ipod in vmware
03.47.17 #       <sjgrox2x> is there a space after sda2
03.47.23 #       <Mikachu> yes
03.47.48 #       <sjgrox2x> I think i need to disconnect from the ftp first, how do i do that
03.48.01 #       <Mikachu> eh? don't worry about the ftp
03.48.15 #       <sjgrox2x> It said ?Invalid Command
03.48.18 #       <sjgrox2x> ftp>
03.48.23 #       <Mikachu> oh you mean exit the ftp program
03.48.29 #       <Mikachu> just type exit or quit or bye
03.48.37 #       <Mikachu> or press ctrl-d
03.48.43 #       <Mikachu> one of those should work
03.49.00 #       <sjgrox2x> Mount: only root can do that
03.49.06 #       <Mikachu> 03:45:07 <sjgrox2x> Where do you want me to type that?
03.49.06 #       <Mikachu> 03:45:13 <Mikachu> in vmware, as root
03.49.19 #       <sjgrox2x> My bad
03.49.40 #       <sjgrox2x> I dont know hwo to do root
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03.49.50 #       <Mikachu> okay, can you check ls /dev/sda2
03.50.10 #       <sjgrox2x> came up in bold yellow
03.50.21 #       <Mikachu> okay, that probably means it detects your ipod fine in vmware
03.50.44 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea I see up top it says Apple USB Device or something
03.51.12 #       <Mikachu> okay, type ssh root@localhost
03.51.16 #       <Mikachu> and give rockbox as the password
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03.53.47 #       <sjgrox2x> ok
03.53.49 #       <sjgrox2x> Done
03.53.56 #       <Mikachu> try the mount command again
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03.55.51 #       <sjgrox2x> Hrmm, when i just tried to add that rockbox.zip to my ipod again when i try to play a song it just says root and doenst play
03.56.14 #       <Doomed_9> u unziped it?>
03.56.18 #       <sjgrox2x> Yea
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03.56.37 #       <sjgrox2x> Do I need to tagcache again?
03.58.18 #       <sjgrox2x> Mikachu a bunch of stuff came up this time about mounting whe i typed in teh comamnd
03.58.37 #       <Mikachu> okay, maybe the system doesn't have support for all the stuff
03.58.50 #       <Mikachu> it would probably be fiddly to add
04.00.01 #       <sjgrox2x> C:\Documents and Settings\Seth Goldstein\Local Settings\Temporary Internet Files\Content.IE5\FL67VAUG\mount[1].jpg
04.00.04 #       <sjgrox2x> whoops
04.00.16 #       <sjgrox2x> http://www.impulsivehosting.com/hosted/mount.jpg
04.00.31 #       <scorche> >_>
04.00.32 #       <Mikachu> ah you just mistyped it
04.00.46 #       <Mikachu> vfat             /dev/sda2
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04.03.32 #       <biffhero> is that a vmware player image of linux, to help newbies get rockbox on their players?  that's cool.
04.03.38 #       <ericmoritz\0> hey I just put rockbox on my wifes ipod nano, the volume control acts odd, I spans the values -74 to 6, why is that?
04.04.13 #       <biffhero> sjgrox2x: you need to have a space after the 'vfat', so it looks like this:  mount -t vfat /dev/sda2 /mnt       Otherwise you almost have it.
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04.04.47 #       <scorche> ericmoritz\0: think in Db
04.05.10 #       <ericmoritz\0> Decibals?
04.06.07 #       <scorche> well dB
04.06.16 #       <sjgrox2x> invalid block device
04.06.30 #       <scorche> basically, dB scale has an actual meaning
04.07.06 #       <scorche> 0 is the line level
04.08.17 #       <ericmoritz\0> ok
04.08.53 #       <Mikachu> sjgrox2x: hm okay, lets give up then
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04.09.31 #       <ericmoritz\0> ok, it makes more sense now... I told her to keep it at 0
04.09.43 #       <sjgrox2x> Alrighty :)
04.09.47 #       <Mikachu> heh, she will go deaf in 5 minutes then
04.09.49 #       <scorche> that can be pretty loud =
04.09.50 #       <scorche> )
04.09.51 #       <sjgrox2x> Thanks for all your help, but I dont think it worked
04.10.08 #       <ericmoritz\0> 0 for use with her car stereo
04.10.13 #       <scorche> ah
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04.10.38 #       <scorche> i would go a bit lower ;)
04.10.48 #       <Mikachu> i suppose the car has a volume control
04.10.52 #       <ericmoritz\0> yeah
04.11.16 #       <scorche> i find that it sounds better when you turn the player vol down, and the car vol up
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04.11.43 #       <Mikachu> i find that unlikely, if 0 is really line level
04.11.44 #       <ericmoritz\0> I'm actually thinking of getting rid of my Gmini 402 now and getting a ipod video because rockbox fixes all the complaints I had with the ipod
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04.12.17 #       <sjgrox2x> Does rockbox have a codec for videos or am I just blind and I cant find it
04.12.23 #       <Mikachu> it doesn't
04.12.29 #       * scorche shrugs at Mikachu
04.12.40 #       <scorche> it is what B4dger said
04.12.41 #       <sjgrox2x> I would love to hve that. So Far thast all I miss 
04.12.44 #       <Mikachu> i haven't actually tried though, and you have
04.12.54 #       <ericmoritz\0> does anyone know if the remote control accessories still work when Rockbox is loaded?
04.13.07 #       <Mikachu> not yet
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04.14.16 #       <ericmoritz\0> Mikachu, was that an answer to my question?
04.14.29 #       <Mikachu> yes, but i'm not 100% sure
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04.14.58 #       <ericmoritz\0> it's no big deal if it doesn't, I'll probably never use a remote
04.16.59 #       <Mikachu> i don't quite see the point of having a remote to something i keep in my pocket :)
04.17.09 #       <scorche> car
04.17.19 #       * goffa wishes the remote was wireless
04.17.24 #       <goffa> then i could see a use
04.17.33 #       <Mikachu> i assumed we were talking about a wireless remote
04.17.39 #       <scorche> as did i
04.17.50 #       <dj-fu> It's probably close to the headphones
04.17.52 #       <goffa> is the x5 or iriver remote wireless?
04.17.54 #       <ericmoritz\0> it's handy when in the car
04.18.05 #       <dj-fu> means I wouldn't have to pull my nano out of my pocket, flip my case, turn the hold off and move my fingers
04.18.09 #       <dj-fu> a remote would be cool ;[
04.19.09 #       <sjgrox2x> +wireless headphones
04.19.17 #       <Mikachu> http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore.woa/wo/6.RSLID?mco=1979FAD4&nplm=MA128G%2FA
04.19.42 #       <sjgrox2x> You still need teh dock for it to work
04.20.16 #       <ericmoritz\0> I assume other accessories like a speaker dock works right?
04.20.37 #       <ericmoritz\0> one with the stupid ipod connector, not a headphone jack
04.20.56 #       <Mikachu> i think the lineout connector works, yeah
04.20.58 #       <Mikachu> but i haven't tried
04.22.00 #       <sjgrox2x> Everytime I install a patch do I have to tagcache again?
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04.25.39 #       <Doomed> i think so
04.25.59 #       <sjgrox2x> That sucks, it takes so long to do 50gb of music
04.26.30 #       <Doomed> eh
04.27.54 #       <sjgrox2x> Something messed up when I did my patch. When I goto play a song it has (root) in parenthesis and doesnt play
04.27.58 #       <ericmoritz\0> I find that much music on a device to hard to manage
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04.28.18 #       <sjgrox2x> Ehh, I have a hard time chosing what I want to put on when I have 200+gb
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04.57.52 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: okokok, I figured out your bug, I think... tomorrow, if I don't remember, tell me "you gotta flush the fillpos on manual track change"
04.58.28 #       * XavierGr puts that to the top of his todo list!
04.58.46 #       <XavierGr> Thanks lostnihilist! :D
04.58.49 #       <XavierGr> oops
04.58.56 #       <XavierGr> I mean lostlogic! :P
04.59.12 #       <lostlogic> would it make sense that the noise would be up-to 1/5s of audio from a few seconds after the currently playing position of the old track?
05.00.27 #       <XavierGr> I don't really understand what you just said :( But I will make sure to test it.
05.00.41 #       <lostlogic> I'm asking what th enoise sounds like
05.00.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> lostlogic: What noises are these?
05.00.59 #       <lostlogic> does it sound like up-to 1/5 second of missequenced audio from the old track
05.00.59 #       <XavierGr> you mean currently right?
05.01.04 #       <lostlogic> right
05.01.10 #       <XavierGr> yes
05.01.14 #       <lostlogic> ok
05.01.17 #       <XavierGr> it makes sense now. It seems like this.
05.01.17 #       <lostlogic> that's the bug I found
05.01.22 #       <lostlogic> and I'll fix it tomorrow.
05.01.32 #       <XavierGr> you heard the artifacts.ogg right?
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05.02.15 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: tbh, I haven't listened to it (made you send it and never listened)... I just analized the code path of manual track change and discovered this bug.
05.02.52 #       <XavierGr> if you fix it I don't mind
05.03.05 #       <XavierGr> I just thought that this will be better recognizing what it is.
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05.03.38 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: fortunately, you'd mentioned once that you thought it might be some audio from the old track, so I had some inkling what to look for.
05.04.10 #       <lostlogic> I generally prefer to solve bugs by code analysis than other methods, it's more precise, and much less likely to introduce new bugs that way
05.04.12 #       <XavierGr> ah okay that's nice to know
05.07.33 #       <lostlogic> and I leave you with dreams of: http://www.totalmotorcycle.com/photos/2006models/2006-Honda-599a.jpg (because I gave a handshake commitment to buy one today)
05.09.22 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: I'm committing the fix now, because it was a 1 liner upon further consideration.
05.12.36 #       <dj-fu> that's a nice bike *_*
05.13.28 #       <lostlogic> dj-fu: :)
05.13.33 #       <lostlogic> g'night alls
05.13.36 #       <dj-fu> 2night
05.14.10 #       <XavierGr> yippie!!
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05.35.30 #       <ruisu> hello
05.35.50 #       <ruisu> ok, ive moved to kubuntu, so ill learn C because i need to :p
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05.40.04 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic: seems much better but not entirely fixed. I will try to do some more tests and/or make another recording for you to listen.
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05.49.34 #       <Suicide_Guy> i cant figure out how to get hte bootloader to work on my iaudio x5l
05.49.45 #       <Suicide_Guy> it works fine, but i cant get it to boot into rockbox
05.56.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What does it do instead?
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05.59.36 #       <Suicide_Guy> i figured it out
05.59.38 #       <Suicide_Guy> im just an ididot
05.59.45 #       <Suicide_Guy> i forgot to install rockbox after it
06.00.07 #       <Suicide_Guy> i was thinking the bootloader came with rockbox too
06.00.23 #       <Suicide_Guy> just did some messing around in rockbox and love it
06.00.25 #       <Suicide_Guy> you guys are amazing
06.02.14 #       <Suicide_Guy> again, sorry for my stupidity lol
06.02.17 #       <Suicide_Guy> keep up the great work
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06.03.47 #       <jnc> that was great.
06.04.14 #       <jnc> Paul_The_Nerd: you solved his problems, :)
06.05.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, there's my magical problem solving skills. I've gotten so good, I don't even need to *do* anything anymore. :-P
06.06.19 #       <jnc> is it now "Paul the Nerdificent" ?
06.06.32 #       <jnc> :P
06.08.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Never.
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06.23.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I've asked him to restore the original apple firmware, and see if it shows the charging symbol then, or just when the Retail is loaded from our bootloader.
06.24.14 #       <ericmoritz\0> hi, i'm a little confused on how the playlists work.  When I start playing a song, it adds all the songs from that directory to the playlist.  How can I make it just have the songs I want
06.25.11 #       <scorche> instead of just hitting the button to play it, hold the button down for like 2 sec
06.25.25 #       <scorche> that will get you to options and you can choose playlist from there
06.25.48 #       <ericmoritz\0> when I click playlist, I get a blank screen
06.28.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ericmoritz\0: Okay, so you click and hold "Select" or "Navi" on a song, and then get a menu, you choose "Playlist" and see nothing?
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06.29.13 #       <ericmoritz\0> Paul_The_Nerd, yeah
06.29.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ericmoritz\0: What sort of MP3 player do you have, and how old/new is your version?
06.29.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ericmoritz\0: Also, are you in the filetree, or TagCache?
06.29.57 #       <ericmoritz\0> ipod nano, I installed the latest build as of like 10pm est
06.30.01 #       <ericmoritz\0> Tag Cache
06.30.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then why did you say 'Directory' when you meant 'Album' or 'Level'
06.30.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Directory is a word that applies to filetrees. TagCache doesn't support the feature you were told to use yet.
06.31.03 #       <ericmoritz\0> sorry, my albums are in directories
06.31.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, but you didn't enter the directory, because you weren't in the filetree
06.31.20 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You entered the Album in the TagCache browser
06.31.35 #       <ericmoritz\0> Paul_The_Nerd, you're right, I used the wrong word
06.32.16 #       <hardeep> that reminds me
06.32.32 #       <hardeep> Slasheri: any reason we can't use the playlist functions from Tag Cache?
06.32.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Just sayin', it's hard to help without details. But yeah, if you browse in filetree, you'll be able to choose "Playlist" then "Insert" which will let you insert individual files, or folders.
06.32.54 #       <hardeep> all we need is the pathname of the selected track
06.33.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> hardeep: I *think* they've either not been implemented, or were disabled at some point. (There are some people who said they were there when TagCache was first added, then removed, though I haven't verified this, so it's just random forum dwellers)
06.34.19 #       <scorche> Paul_The_Nerd: well, you are slightly less harsh than you usually are when doing troubleshooting =D
06.34.20 #       <ericmoritz\0> Paul_The_Nerd, yep, using the file browser mode works fine
06.34.47 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ericmoritz\0: Hopefully we'll have the full functions in TagCache soonish, but you can never tell when.
06.35.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> scorche: I just have no bedside manner, unless I can tell someone's panicking.
06.35.14 #       <scorche> Paul_The_Nerd: <3
06.35.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hahaha
06.38.22 #       <ericmoritz\0> What's the Example1 and Example2 things in the TagCache browser?
06.38.52 #       <ericmoritz\0> dev fud?
06.39.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nah
06.39.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If you open the tagnavi.config file, they're practical examples of how to customize it to do more fun things than it seems like it can. :)
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06.40.46 #       <scorche> Paul_The_Nerd: also, how come with doing the aforementioned process, you cannot say, do that to a folder that has folders inside of that, and add all the music that is inside those folders, which are inside of the folder that i hit insert on?
06.40.53 #       <scorche> ...if that made any sense at all
06.41.12 #       <ericmoritz\0> I sometimes seem to get stuck in one directory in file browser mode.  the back button doesn't seem to do anything.  Anyone get that?
06.42.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> scorche: If you enable "Recursively insert subdirectories" it will grab all the subfolders. For example, I can do all of my ACDC music by "Insert" on ACDC, and it gets all 4 album subfolders
06.42.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ericmoritz\0: Haven't heard that one before.
06.43.05 #       <scorche> Paul_The_Nerd: hot...thanks...for some odd reason, i totally skipped over that option
06.43.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Further info, got the guy to restore his original Bootpartition.bin and it shows the charging icon in the upper left corner, and it does. So, it happens independently of our bootloader. Hardware flaw maybe? Some defective 5Gs in the wild?
06.45.58 #       <Presence> my "brand new" two weeks old ipod 5thGen is awesemo with Rockbox.
06.46.44 #       <Presence> and the cygwin UI simulator instructions on the wiki worked perfectly.
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07.18.35 #       <dongs> is 1gb nano same thing as the 2gb nano?
07.18.38 #       <dongs> as far as rockbox goes
07.18.51 #       <cmug> there is no 1gb nano?
07.18.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> All Nanos are the same as far as Rockbox goes
07.18.57 #       <dongs> there is too
07.18.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> cmug: There is a 1gb nano.
07.19.01 #       <dongs> i just saw it in teh store today
07.20.22 #       <cmug> really, wicked
07.20.36 #       <cmug> i thought only 2gb and 4gb models existed
07.21.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> They introduced the 1gig later when they cancelled the Shuffle
07.21.15 #       <cmug> oh, im just out of the loop ;)
07.21.22 #       <cmug> army does that to people
07.21.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I can imagine
07.22.51 #       <dongs> 1gb goes for like $149
07.22.53 #       <dongs> around here
07.23.16 #       <dongs> oh, same price as in apple store.
07.25.38 #       <ericmoritz\0> if you haven't bought a nano yet, you should wait, they just announced 4gb and 6bg models that will be on sale soon
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07.25.57 #       <dongs> but they wouldnt be $150 eh
07.26.08 #       <ericmoritz\0> I'd assume that will drive the price of 1gb and 2gb down
07.26.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yeah, but if you can afford a 150 now, you can afford 200 or 250 later. Double the space for not double the price is a good thing.
07.26.30 #       <ericmoritz\0> you'll probably get a 2gb for 150
07.27.10 #       <ericmoritz\0> of coarse a 2gb is only $50 more
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07.27.31 #       <ericmoritz\0> it's worth the extra $50 :)
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07.28.40 #       <hardeep> Slasheri: around?
07.29.46 #       <ericmoritz\0> hell, you might as well get an older 20gb 4th gen
07.30.16 #       <scorche> ooo...a 4gb nano will be coming soon?
07.30.17 #       <scorche> ;)
07.30.20 #       <ericmoritz\0> a friend with a shiny new ipod video will probably sell you his old one for $50 :)
07.30.38 #       <dongs> 4gb nanos have been around a while already
07.30.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> scorche: Well, the *rumour* is they're doubling capacity. 1, 2, 4 to 2, 4, 8. Just rumour though.
07.30.57 #       <scorche> lol...i was poking fun at him saying that 4 gigs are coming out
07.31.42 #       <scorche> and if you are worried about $/space, for 50 more than the 4 gig, you can get 30
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08.29.43 #       <webguest13> hey guys i have a question what does rockbox error -1 mean
08.30.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It means you forgot to copy over the rockbox.zip and then extract it.
08.30.43 #       <webguest13> but i did extract it into the top folder
08.30.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What kind of player is it?
08.31.06 #       <webguest13> nano
08.31.18 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So you have X:\rockbox.ipod and X:\.rockbox (which is a folder)?
08.31.25 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Where X is whatever drive letter it is
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08.31.41 #       <Slasheri> hardeep: hi
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08.32.09 #       <webguest13> nvm forgot the rockbox.ipod
08.32.13 #       <webguest13> loaded it and now its fixed
08.32.18 #       <webguest13> its late and had a brain fart
08.32.19 #       <webguest13> lol
08.32.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So, you didn't *extract* it into the root.
08.32.28 #       <webguest13> correct 
08.32.29 #       <hardeep> Slasheri: I think I've fixed the problem with playlist commands not being available for tracks in tagcache
08.32.32 #       <webguest13> but its fixed now
08.32.33 #       <Slasheri> hardeep: it should be easy to make the playlist functions to work.. i might look that as soon as i am less busy with work
08.32.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Which is exactly what I said you didn't do. :-P
08.32.42 #       <Slasheri> hardeep: oh, that sounds good
08.32.43 #       <hardeep> Slasheri: was wondering if you could look at it to see if it's correct
08.32.59 #       <hardeep> Slasheri: http://hardeeps.freeshell.org/patches/tagtree.diff
08.32.59 #       <Slasheri> hardeep: sure, do you have the patch somewhere?
08.33.11 #       <Slasheri> ok, i will check it
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08.34.16 #       <hardeep> it appears to be working fine, but I wasn't sure if I was calling the right tagcache functions
08.34.50 #       <Slasheri> hardeep: it looks good, just commit it :)
08.35.05 #       <hardeep> 'kay =)
08.38.35 #       <dongs> i got a weird lockup, i have 6 files in \ of rockbox, 5 and 6 are real mp3s, the first 4 are various unicode filenames . mp3 of 0 bytes. when i play either 5th or 6th mp3 the ui locks up and needs a hard reset.
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08.39.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What happens when you play one of the first 4?
08.39.48 #       <dongs> could it be "next file" function crashing because of 0 bytes
08.39.59 #       <dongs> Paul_The_Nerd: they're just 0 byte files
08.40.12 #       <dongs> with mp3 extension that i used for testing
08.40.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes, but when you click on them, what happens?
08.40.18 #       <dongs> 5th track plays.
08.40.26 #       <dongs> (and crashes)
08.40.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> So it freeze immediately, with the 5th track showing in WPS, but no progress?
08.40.53 #       <dongs> right
08.40.57 #       <dongs> and after that the keys are dead
08.40.59 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And this is a CVS Build?
08.41.05 #       <dongs> yesterdays.
08.42.44 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Is it set to shuffle or sequential play?
08.43.08 #       <webguest13> how do i boot into stock firmware?
08.43.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest13: You didn't read the FAQ I suppose. Hold Menu while booting.
08.43.51 #       <webguest13> its late
08.43.53 #       <webguest13> sry
08.44.20 #       <dongs> Paul_The_Nerd: default
08.44.22 #       <dongs> (sequential
08.44.27 #       <webguest13> but that didnt work
08.45.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> webguest13: It's late is an excuse for what again? Also, if it didn't work, you're doing it wrong. Turn off the unit by holding Play/Pause. Turn it on, and continue holding Menu until it says "Loading Original Firmware"
08.45.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: Interesting. And it freezes immediately, as opposed to once the buffering tries to get to them?
08.46.31 #       <dongs> Paul_The_Nerd: maybe the 2nd. i seem to recall the time counter isnt 0:00 when its locked
08.46.33 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: The tagcache browser seems to not set some type flag correctly. The icons are correct (folder vs. audio file), but voice is inconsistent.
08.46.35 #       <dongs> so maybe youre right.
08.47.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: Well, it's easier to diagnose once we actually know what's wrong. ;-), care to check?
08.48.03 #       <dongs> i would if i had the player here. im just noticing something i noticed earlier today.
08.48.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aaaah
08.48.14 #       <dongs> should be repeatable if you make some 0byte mp3s in alphabetical order before the real ones
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08.48.25 #       <dongs> like aa.mp3, bb.mp3 0 bytes, then cc.mp3 dd.mp3 "normal"
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08.48.56 #       <scorche> sadly, it goes 1. 10. 11. 12. 13. 2. 20. 21. =(
08.49.16 #       <KimHC> hello
08.49.23 #       <dongs> ohh,non-natural numeric sort order?
08.49.31 #       <dongs> someone should code an option for that!
08.49.33 #       <scorche> i hate it
08.49.48 #       * scorche hints
08.49.53 #       <dongs> even explorer.exe has an option for that.
08.50.13 #       <amiconn> ugh, now the tagcache browser got confused, showing random strings instead of the first 4 main folders. After some browsing it crashed
08.50.45 #       <dongs> http://www.codeproject.com/csharp/csnsort.asp
08.50.50 #       <dongs> heres some good natural sort code to rip
08.50.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: If I remember to check it later I will. I'm actually watching Season 1 of House with a friend, and am just making sure not too many questions go unanswered or helped. If you get the chance to test later, drop by the forums and leave the results if you could.
08.50.57 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: Btw, I tried the full crc32 instead of the space saver for tagcache on iriver. No speedup at all.
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08.51.24 #       <dongs> Paul_The_Nerd: yes i will probably mention it again
08.51.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, we should handle invalid files gracefully.
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08.52.07 #       <hardeep> dongs: the problem is reproduceable in sim as you describe... something gets into an endless loop
08.52.13 #       <hardeep> will investigate
08.52.15 #       <dongs> hardeep: wiht 0byte mp3s?
08.52.20 #       <hardeep> yeah
08.52.21 #       <dongs> great
08.52.24 #       <Zoide777> theli_ua: hi, i'm the guy with the grayscale 4g
08.52.29 #       <dongs> i know its not really a common condition 
08.52.34 #       <dongs> i mean how many mp3s you have that are 0 byte
08.52.36 #       <dongs> but still better fix it
08.52.37 #       <dongs> :D
08.52.42 #       <Zoide777> in addition to the problem with rockboy, I'm having a problem booting rockbox itself
08.52.53 #       <Zoide777> I have to hard reset a couple of times, or else it hangs in the Rockbox logo screen
08.53.47 #       <amiconn> dongs: That code won't help us at all. (1) It's C# (2) It uses a windows api function for the actual work
08.53.48 #       <theli_ua> Zoide777, hm ... maybe you just have problem's with rockbox itself? cause patch changes nothing but rockboy's files
08.54.10 #       <dongs> amiconn: uh, no.
08.54.12 #       <dongs> it has the algorithm
08.54.15 #       <dongs> who cares what its implemented in
08.54.26 #       <scorche> amiconn: why dont we just code rockbox in C# then from now on?
08.54.28 #       * scorche ducks
08.54.38 #       <dongs> http://www.eekboom.com/java/compareNatural/src/com/eekboom/utils/Strings.java
08.54.41 #       <dongs> heres a java version
08.54.48 #       <scorche> ....even worse
08.54.50 #       <Zoide777> theli_ua: yeah, actually i tried rockbox without the patch and it still gives the booting problem
08.54.58 #       <amiconn> urgh
08.55.01 #       <Zoide777> theli_ua: it didn't use to with an older build, though...
08.55.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: I would strongly suggest you listen to Amiconn when he says "That won't work." He tends to know what he's talking about far more often than I do.
08.55.16 #       <amiconn> I try to stay away from objects, especially sharp ones
08.55.44 #       <dongs> there is nothing object oriented in that java code.
08.55.48 #       <scorche> i would rather go C# than java...
08.55.51 #       <dongs> the algorithm is right there and can be adapted easily.
08.56.05 #       * Paul_The_Nerd wonders why dongs isn't busy adapting it then
08.56.27 #       <scorche> Paul_The_Nerd: <3
08.56.29 #       <dongs> duno, cause im not at my place
08.57.03 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, you've got 9 days to post a patch and get it bulletproofed.
08.57.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It'd probably make it into 3.0, it seems more a bugfix than a feature.
08.57.18 #       <hardeep> strange, the tagcache re-committed when I rolo'd
08.57.29 #       <theli_ua> Zoide777, this is strange .. can't see any changes in cvs which should affect 4G iPods ... just the screendump fix
08.57.54 #       <scorche> i would call it a fix
08.58.23 #       <scorche> before i have formatted things, and just got the torrent, if they had it in track numbers like that, it got annoying
08.58.36 #       <amiconn> dongs: Okay, didn't see that it has the algorithm. It's non-obvious, and you need to register for download. yuck!
08.58.52 #       <scorche> wow....i need to go away before my typing/english gets worse...
08.58.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I always formatted my track numbers as two-digit anyway.
08.58.55 #       <dongs> hehe, well that java version is better
08.59.13 #       <amiconn> So I cannot judge about the code suitability, but it tends to be that oo code doesn't help us much
08.59.34 #       <markun> dongs: yes, the compareNatural doesn't look that difficult to adapt
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09.00.30 #       <dongs> yea. its jsut going through teh string, and checking isdigit() and setting some flags etc.
09.00.33 #       * amiconn thinks that this 'natural' compare isn't all that natural after all
09.00.34 #       <dongs> nothing crazy going on
09.00.44 #       <dongs> do you guys already have a sorter function which takes different sorters?
09.00.47 #       <dongs> ascending/descending etc?
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09.01.59 #       <amiconn> In windows explorer it happened multiple times that I was looking for a file and thought it wasn't there, just because windows explorer placed it in a different position in the list than I expected
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09.02.55 #       <dongs> thats why explorer has something called typeahead
09.03.02 #       <dongs> wehn you can just type first few chars of a name
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09.03.04 #       <dongs> :D
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09.06.37 #       <amiconn> Slasheri: Some more precise hints what happens with voice in tagcache: (1) Files are often (always?) called folders. (2) To the contrary, the virtual '<all tracks>' folder is called file, with a negative number (!!)
09.07.18 #       <dongs> http://us3.php.net/manual/en/function.strnatcmp.php
09.07.23 #       <dongs> can also rip this function from php
09.07.30 #       <dongs> that should be in fairly readable C
09.07.48 #       <Zoide777> hmmm...  the latest cvs build doesn't work on the 4g grayscale
09.07.55 #       <Zoide777> it locks up at the Rockbox logo screen
09.08.27 #       <petur> hmmm... we had the same report yesterday
09.08.41 #       <petur> no lockup with an older version?
09.08.46 #       <Zoide777> if you hard reset it about twice, then it does get through the logo
09.08.55 #       <Zoide777> no, it worked ok with a build from some days ago
09.08.57 #       <dongs> http://sourcefrog.net/projects/natsort/
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09.09.20 #       <petur> If you could find out what day it starts going wrong it will help a lot
09.09.34 #       <Zoide777> petur: ok, let me try and find out
09.09.55 #       <hardeep> amiconn: this may be related to the fix I just made... the attribute that the tree code used to use to identify tracks from id3db is not valid anymore
09.10.35 #       <amiconn> hardeep: This is a build from yesterday's cvs
09.11.10 #       <hardeep> amiconn: i meant that I fixed a similar issue in the tree code... i'll see if it's similar for voice ui
09.11.24 #       <amiconn> ah ok
09.12.17 #       <Zoide777> petur: works with may 2, i'm trying may 3 now
09.13.33 #       <Zoide777> may 3 works...
09.13.47 #       <Zoide777> may 4 coming up
09.15.00 #       <Zoide777> may 4 breaks
09.15.12 #       <Zoide777> so whatever change there was on may 4, it makes 4g grayscale hang at the logo screen
09.15.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, you mean whatever changes were made on the 3rd leading up to the 4th daily
09.16.09 #       <Zoide777> well, i tried the may 3 daily build and it worked
09.16.24 #       <Zoide777> but the may 4 daily didn't
09.16.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes. The may 3rd daily is made in the wee hours early May 3rd morning.
09.16.38 #       <Zoide777> ah i see
09.16.40 #       <hardeep> amiconn: did this work with old tag database?
09.16.47 #       <amiconn> yes
09.17.17 #       <amiconn> Set voice to numbers or .talk clip to see what I mean
09.17.39 #       <amiconn> (.talk clip falls back to numbers when there is no clip, which is always the case in tagcache)
09.17.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zoide777: So, the May 3rd changes need to be looked at. Which is good ,because the only May 4th change was to viewer.c, not a heavily used file in the boot process.;-)
09.17.54 #       <hardeep> yeah, i see the problem.  just surprised it ever worked
09.17.55 #       <Zoide777> is there a way to download old cvs builds?
09.18.00 #       <dongs> yes
09.18.05 #       <petur> no
09.18.07 #       <dongs> check out with cvs date tag
09.18.10 #       <dongs> and build
09.18.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zoide777: If you're using CVS to compile yourself, there is.
09.18.19 #       <petur> alright...
09.18.38 #       <amiconn> Hmm, now I get the messed-up strings effect again.
09.18.39 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Though technically at that point you're not downloading _builds_ so much as source. ;-)
09.18.53 #       <Zoide777> Paul_The_Nerd: how do you do that?  I mean, i've got the vmware thing set up, but i mean how do you download w/ the specific date?
09.18.54 #       <dongs>  Greyscale ipods: Fixed screendump for the (not-so-) new framebuffer format. < this?
09.18.58 #       <dongs> perhaps
09.19.06 #       <amiconn> Seems to happen if I boot with the browser set to file mode, then switch to tagcache. But it doesn't happen always...
09.19.16 #       <dongs> -D <date>
09.19.38 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Zoide777: As dongs said.
09.19.45 #       <dongs> -D 2006-04-30 or whatever
09.19.46 #       <petur> or me increasing the buffer for the language file? we can't be that short on mem....
09.19.47 #       <Zoide777> well, all i can say is that it gets past the logo screen after a few hard resets
09.19.59 #       <petur> amiconn?
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09.21.04 #       <petur> hmmmm payed work.. bbl
09.21.58 #       <amiconn> hardeep: I took a screendump... http://amiconn.dyndns.org/tagcache-weird.png
09.22.16 #       <dongs> how do you take a screendump ;/
09.22.36 #       <amiconn> petur: I had a look at the changelog as well, and can't imagine which change could cause such a hang
09.22.39 #       <hardeep> amiconn: looks fine to me...
09.22.41 #       <hardeep> =)
09.22.56 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: The screendump option in the debug menu, and screendumps happen on USB inserts, instead of actually entering USB mode.
09.23.03 #       <dongs> o
09.23.04 #       <dongs> neat
09.23.11 #       <dongs> i saw the option, didnt know how to trigger it.
09.24.11 #       <Zoide777> dongs: but that would be for a specific date, not a specific time
09.24.15 #       <hardeep> btw, that screen dump does confirm a problem I'm seeing -- the folder icon in the tag cache is different then the one in the file tree
09.24.16 #       <amiconn> dongs: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/ScreenDump
09.24.26 #       <hardeep> strange thing is, it's the same on the sim
09.24.31 #       <amiconn> hardeep: Was just about to mention that
09.24.49 #       <amiconn> It was the same before your fix...
09.25.04 #       <hardeep> ah, okay
09.26.11 #       <hardeep> amiconn: did the corruption also start after you updated?  or were you seeing that before as well?
09.26.27 #       <amiconn> That happened before as well
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09.28.14 #       <amiconn> Maybe it depends on the settings; I have dircache switched off and keep tagcache on disk
09.28.30 #       <Zoide777> bye
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09.37.45 #       <Slasheri> hmm, that is weird.. i have never experienced such a corruption before
09.37.53 #       <Slasheri> so it happens only with the voice ui enabled?
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09.39.57 #       <dongs> do people acutallyu se voice ui?
09.40.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Yes
09.40.17 #       <dongs> it seems about as useful as id3 tags
09.40.20 #       <dongs> speaking of id3 tags
09.40.23 #       <dongs> how can i make rockbox IGNORE them
09.40.24 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Blind people
09.40.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What do you mean ignore them?
09.40.40 #       <dongs> well
09.40.41 #       <dongs> when tehre is no tag
09.40.44 #       <dongs> i want the filename in wps
09.40.46 #       <dongs> not blank space
09.40.47 #       <dongs> heh
09.40.49 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Then do that
09.40.53 #       <dongs> but it doesnt
09.40.55 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Have you read about conditional statements on the custom WPS page?
09.41.01 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hell, Rockbox_Default does that
09.41.06 #       <dongs> really.
09.41.07 #       <dongs> hm
09.41.12 #       <dongs> maybe nano theeme doesnt
09.41.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Meanwhile, representatives  of various sight-impaired groups often show up in our forums when someone breaks voice.
09.41.41 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: "nano theeme?"
09.41.57 #       <petur> naano theeme
09.44.55 #       <dongs> ipod_nano
09.45.16 #       <amiconn> I use the voice UI a lot. Very useful in the car
09.45.59 #       <dongs> what does it say? speak out the menus or something?
09.46.06 #       <petur> yes
09.46.20 #       <dongs> seems liek natural sort is more interesting than voice ui
09.46.21 #       <dongs> :D
09.47.06 #       <amiconn> hardeep, Slasheri: I now know under what conditions the corruption happens. It happens if you browse in file view, have 'voice folders' set to '.talk mp3 clip' and actually move across a folder with a clip, then switch to tagcache view
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09.47.54 #       <amiconn> dongs: It speaks the menus and can speak the folders & files in various ways
09.48.02 #       <linuxstb> dongs: See point 4. on this page for an example showing how to use the filename in the WPS if there are no tags: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SubmitWPS
09.48.20 #       <amiconn> ...and imho is way more useful than natural sort
09.49.02 #       <linuxstb> I'm sure someone has already written a patch for "natural sort"...
09.49.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Natural sort helps people who don't know how to use a tag and rename tool, Voice UI helps blind people who don't have a real alternative. :)
09.49.24 #       <amiconn> Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not blind...
09.49.32 #       <hardeep> bizarre, i think i may have found a compiler bug
09.49.45 #       <dongs> linuxstb: whereis it
09.49.48 #       <linuxstb> This may be it: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2890
09.49.57 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> amiconn: Yeah, which means technically you have an alternative to voice UI that's less favorable, but still usable, much as he has an alternative to natural sort.
09.50.08 #       <LinusN> hardeep: that's a lame excuse :-)
09.50.23 #       <amiconn> Paul_The_Nerd: Using the voice UI while driving is certainly a good thing, isn't it?
09.50.50 #       <hardeep> LinusN: hehe
09.50.51 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> amiconn: Oh, indubitably.
09.50.57 #       <dongs> linuxstb: seems so.
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09.51.29 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Did you see that even without Rockbox, at least one 5G thinks it's receiving power?
09.51.41 #       <dongs> linuxstb: not very good and only works on leading numbers
09.52.18 #       * amiconn somehow expects a comment from lostlogic or preglow ;)
09.53.50 #       <amiconn> Well, I wouldn't mind natural sort as long as it doesn't add too much code, and it is optional
09.53.55 #       <markun> dongs: in which situations is natural sorting useful?
09.54.01 #       <amiconn> In windows explorer it isn't optional...
09.54.11 #       <dongs> wehn i have all RFCs as audiobooks.
09.54.16 #       <dongs> :D
09.54.29 #       <dongs> named like rfc123.txt rfc200.txt
09.54.30 #       <dongs> etc.
09.54.38 #       <dongs> rfc2000.mp3
09.54.42 #       <dongs> -txt+mp3
09.55.52 #       <markun> yes, then it would be useful
09.55.53 #       <linuxstb> Paul_The_Nerd: I've never seen it.  But I'm sure I asked the first person who reported this if RetailOS was working fine, and he said yes.  
09.56.11 #       <dongs> markun: also stuff like 1.mp3 2.mp3 .. 10.mp3 11.mp3 would get ordered properly
09.56.19 #       <dongs> instead of 1.mp3 10.mp3 11.mp3 2.mp3 etc.
09.56.27 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: Well, I've got someone who restored their bootpartition.bin and now has a charging icon constantly. It works fine, it just always says it's charging.
09.56.37 #       <linuxstb> Yes, I've read that.
09.56.39 #       <dongs> the patch linuxstb linked would handle those cases
09.56.46 #       <dongs> but it wouldnt do something like track1.mp3 track2.mp3
09.57.23 #       <markun> dongs: it would, but not track2.mp3 track10.mp3 :)
09.57.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> linuxstb: I'm just wondering if it's officially moved into a "not our fault" category.
09.59.00 #       <linuxstb> Maybe check if the user is running the most recent Apple firmware.  If Apple have fixed it, then we would have to.
09.59.30 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Good idea
10.00.23 #       <linuxstb> Sadly, Apple never publish changelogs for their firmwares - the most they say is "bug fixes".
10.00.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That drives me quite nuts.
10.01.20 #       <amiconn> How 'hard' is a hard reset on ipod? Does it really reset everything, or would only disconnecting the battery do that?
10.01.43 #       <dongs> my nano doenst look very user serviceable
10.01.54 #       <dongs> i didnt find any screws and shit on it
10.01.55 #       <dongs> huhu
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10.03.09 #       <linuxstb> amiconn: I'm pretty sure it resets everything.  
10.03.27 #       <amiconn> My mini also doesn't have screws visible from the outside, and I managed to open it, and take photos
10.04.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Aren't they held together by that wonderful natural force, "friction"?
10.04.59 #       <dj-fu> hey any ideas on why if I try to delete a file or folder with rockbox's menu it kinda dies after pressing play 'confirm'? the screen keeps marqueing, the music keeps playing
10.05.02 #       <dj-fu> but no dice
10.05.03 #       <dj-fu> have to reboot
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10.08.28 #       <linuxstb> Is it just my lack of coffee, or does this forum post make absolutely no sense at all? http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4021.0
10.08.43 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No, I was going to ask the same thing.
10.09.10 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I can usually translate from forum->English, but yeah...
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10.12.46 #       <dongs> looks like typical blogspam
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10.19.14 #       <dongs> lol SDL.
10.19.24 #       <dongs> someone should build a direct3d UI simulator for windows.
10.19.36 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Why?
10.19.43 #       <dongs> because SDL is communism.
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10.20.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> And intentionally writing code for direct3d when there's no necessity to do so is bending over to pick up the soap when Microsoft's in the shower with you.
10.21.20 #       <dongs> heh, if I had to pick between directx and sdl for a windows project you already know what I would pick.
10.21.35 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's not a windows project.
10.22.17 #       <dongs> but but..
10.25.16 #       <markun> dongs: It's a *former* communist party :) (look for SDL http://www.broadleft.org/communis.htm)
10.26.07 #       <dongs> no, you misread, it was formerly KSS.
10.26.19 #       <dongs> oh, neever mind. under "ex" heading.
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10.32.55 #       <hardeep> dongs: the problem you reported with the 0-byte mp3 files should be fixed in latest CVS
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10.34.39 #       <markun> linuxstb: I think the guy in the forum is looking for something like this: http://www.haxx.se/who.html
10.35.54 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> What about http://daniel.haxx.se/rockbox/team.jpg ?
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10.37.20 #       <dongs> status bar in file list is themeable, right?
10.37.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You can turn it on and off.
10.37.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> In a theme.
10.37.40 #       <dongs> yes, but can it be themed?
10.37.56 #       <dongs> it doesnt seem so
10.38.00 #       <dongs> from a quick look
10.38.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I just told you the extent of what you can do with it.
10.38.07 #       <dongs> i see
10.38.13 #       <dongs> isnt that kinda shitty?
10.38.17 #       <linuxstb> dongs: I think someone was working on it - try searching the patch tracker.
10.38.29 #       <linuxstb> dongs: Yes, feel free to fix.
10.39.02 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: Let's see. "Themable status bar" or "Good battery life." Which of those two affects everyone? There's a lot of other things to work on.
10.39.24 #       <dongs> true, but isnt "good battery life" depending on figuring out how to use the 2nd cpu?
10.39.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> No
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10.39.44 #       <dongs> maybe if statusbar is themeable, more people will use rockbox, and more people will be interested in fixing it?
10.39.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> There's also "optimizing drivers" "improving codec performance" and a variety of other things
10.39.50 #       <linuxstb> The second CPU will reduce battery life even more.
10.40.06 #       <linuxstb> Which is one reason why it's not being used yet.
10.40.20 #       <dongs> why is apple's mp3 codec "so great" so that it uses almost 5h more battery?
10.40.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> People who use Rockbox because of the pretty factor are *probably* not the sort of people interested in diving into and assembly optimizing codecs.
10.40.36 #       <linuxstb> Because it's been highly optimised by full-time professional programmers.
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10.41.05 #       <dongs> linuxstb: so whats with the huge battery life gap?
10.41.33 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: It's not really been investigated much right now. There are other greater priorities.
10.41.58 #       <linuxstb> I'm sure we're not configuring the hardware in the most power-efficient way - and that may be hard to fix without documentation.
10.42.14 #       <petur> dongs: every question you ask here is another 10 minutes time wasted of a programmer ;)
10.42.23 #       <dongs> gee thanks.
10.42.28 #       <dongs> feel free not to answer them mr programmer.
10.42.36 #       <dongs> :D
10.42.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not to mention he's now asking about ipod-specific features in the middle of a feature freeze in which ipod-specific stuff isn't supposed to be worked on. ;-)
10.42.56 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: and rockbox is optimized by part-time professional programmers
10.43.07 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: I know :)  Sorry for the offense...
10.43.15 #       <dongs> hm i dont see a patch for statusbar
10.43.20 #       <linuxstb> (it came out badly - I'm a professional programmer...)
10.43.22 #       <LinusN> :-)
10.44.37 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: Funny, searching "Patches" for "Statusbar" I see two, one that says custom icons, and one that says costume statusbar, which is admittedly poor spelling but probably should be inferable.
10.45.13 #       <dongs> oh.
10.45.16 #       <dongs> yes i totally skipped over it.
10.45.17 #       <petur> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2931
10.45.25 #       <dongs> the title was utterly meaningless.
10.45.26 #       <petur> http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2981
10.45.30 #       <dongs> except maybe if youre french or something.
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10.45.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: "Statusbar custom icons" is totally meaningless, or are you just talking about the second one?
10.45.55 #       <dongs> the costume one
10.46.29 #       <dongs> what, does something like 'status_title[status_title_pl]!="Now Pausing"' even work??
10.46.43 #       <dongs> wtf @ that code
10.46.55 #       <LinusN> dongs: there is a reason that patch is still in the tracker :-)
10.46.59 #       <dongs> heh
10.47.11 #       <preglow> hahahaha
10.47.35 #       <preglow> it does work in other languages, yes
10.48.14 #       <dongs> hrm.
10.51.20 #       <dongs> at least it uses current system font for the bar.
10.51.22 #       <dongs> thats a good start.
10.51.52 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> On many screens the bar would be unreadable if it was the same font as the rest.
10.54.45 #       <dongs> what the hell
10.54.56 #       <dongs> the whole status text stuff in that patch does really stupid things
10.55.00 #       <dongs> did the guy actually TEST it?
10.55.10 #       <dongs> or did he jsut write it and hope it worked
10.56.36 #       <LinusN> it worked for im, iirc
10.56.38 #       <LinusN> him
10.56.44 #       <LinusN> amazingly .-)
10.56.47 #       <dongs> heh
10.56.50 #       <petur> haven't seen paprica in quite some time...
10.56.52 #       <dongs> well, i guess it might work.
10.57.00 #       <dongs> if gcc optimized strings
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10.57.08 #       <dongs> and he put the pointers into status_title[]
10.57.18 #       <dongs> i suppose something like foo[] != "now playing" could work
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10.58.10 #       <LinusN> it still has to support localization, so comparing string pointers is a no-go
10.58.20 #       <dongs> yeah
10.58.31 #       <dongs> but i guess thats why it worked.
10.58.38 #       <LinusN> yup
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11.01.34 #       <zigford> Welcome
11.04.17 #       <dongs> oh fuck
11.04.33 #       <dongs> i deleted my old rockbox dir with original apple firmware
11.04.42 #       <dongs> can i get it back if I do a factory reset?
11.05.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The Apple Restore tool can always be used, yeah.
11.05.42 #       <dongs> gonna see if I can pick it up from undelete
11.05.47 #       <dongs> otherwise restore it is
11.06.22 #       <RedBreva> are replaygain tags in WPS supported, or is a patch required?
11.07.32 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If it's not listed in the CustomWPS page, then a patch is required. It's pretty simple for someone to check for themselves. :)
11.08.00 #       <zigford> On the note of tags.  Why arne't my vorbis tags read?
11.08.17 #       <zigford> point
11.08.28 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> zigford: Under what circumstances aren't the Vorbis Comments read?
11.08.55 #       <zigford> All
11.09.11 #       <zigford> wps says "no id3"
11.09.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That doesn't mean the Vorbis Comments aren't read
11.09.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Does it show "Artist" where artist info belongs?
11.09.32 #       <zigford> maybe
11.09.40 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Okay, it's a binary state.
11.09.45 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The answer is "Yes" or "No"
11.09.57 #       <zigford> I know.  I see your point and you are right.
11.10.03 #       <zigford> it must be reading them
11.10.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "No id3" means the file doesn't have ID3 tags. It's actually quite literal
11.10.46 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Any other metadata results in "No ID3." If I recall it's there to tell you which version of ID3 tags your file has, but I could be wrong about that last bit.
11.10.52 #       <zigford> I realize.  Is this normal for it to attempt to find an id3 in a vorbis file
11.11.19 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It doesn't.
11.11.34 #       <zigford> Okay, so its part of the wps
11.11.42 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That would be the notion.
11.11.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> :)
11.12.18 #       <LinusN> that's part of the legacy from the old days, when rockbox only did mp3
11.13.03 #       <zigford> Ok.  I am using a wps that doesn't do it now.  I have seen a wps with song ratings.  Is that part of a wps too?
11.14.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> We don't have support in Rockbox for ratings at the moment. They were part of the old RuntimeDB, and not integrated with TagCache yet.
11.14.39 #       <zigford> righteo
11.15.20 #       <dongs> all the trouble to go through to get the updater.exe
11.15.25 #       <dongs> without having to install that crap
11.15.48 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Can't you just download it from apple.com?
11.15.52 #       <dongs> and i guess ic ant use it anyway. needs ipod service or some other crap
11.15.58 #       <dongs> no, i wanted to avoid having to install that stuff.
11.16.18 #       <dongs> so unpacking msi, junk inside, but the 50meg .exe needs ipodservice running.
11.16.31 #       <linuxstb> The Windows installation instructions in how wiki have a section describing how to get a copy of the original bootpartition.bin from the Apple updater.
11.16.36 #       <linuxstb> s/how/our/
11.16.52 #       <dongs> lets see
11.16.53 #       * linuxstb curses his brain...
11.16.53 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> You don't have to run it, do you?
11.17.13 #       <linuxstb> No - I think ipodwizard can extract the firmware from it.
11.17.53 #       <linuxstb> It's even easier on a Mac - the boot partition images are just stored in the resources folder for the installer application on disk.
11.18.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Man
11.18.50 #       <dongs> ah. they're as resources in the .exe version as well
11.18.54 #       <dongs> how do i know which one is nano's?
11.19.19 #       <linuxstb> Check the Mac OS X installation page - it has a table which maps Firmware versions to ipods.
11.19.35 #       <linuxstb> (assuming you can see those numbers in Windows)
11.20.23 #       <dongs> IDR_FIRMWARE-14.5.1.1
11.20.25 #       <dongs> looks liek that.
11.20.33 #       <dongs> oh, 14 is also rockbox for nano
11.21.31 #       <dongs> only like 6 megs though
11.21.36 #       <dongs> compressed?
11.21.47 #       <linuxstb> No - that's the whole thing.
11.22.07 #       <linuxstb> You should just be able to use ipodpatcher.exe to write that to your boot partition.
11.22.08 #       <dongs> starst with "stop" sign with apple computer.i nc?
11.22.14 #       <linuxstb> Yep.  The amusing ascii art.
11.22.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> The perfect anti-hacker measure.
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11.22.40 #       <dongs> "DontStealOSX.kext"
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11.27.33 #       <dongs> so that 6meg thing includes everything?
11.27.40 #       <dongs> resources,code, etc?
11.27.47 #       <dongs> or is font and UI stuff in rom elsewhere?
11.28.51 #       <linuxstb> I think that's everything.
11.29.12 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That's the file you modify when you want to change the font or images or whatnot, I believe
11.29.37 #       <linuxstb> Also, Apple loads it all into RAM at boot.  I don't know if it then discards anything though.
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11.34.06 #       <dongs> oh, i see something that looks like graphics in that image.
11.34.53 #       <dongs> i wonder if its anythign standard
11.35.00 #       <dongs> is there stuff written to extract this junk?>
11.35.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> iPodWizard
11.36.20 #       <dongs> nice.
11.44.14 #       <_Veseliq_> damn, no msi mega view series support...
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11.47.45 #       <amiconn> Bagder: 127.0.0.1 has a rather old m68k-elf-gcc (3.4.1) ...
11.50.30 #       <ashridah> heh
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12.06.54 #       <dongs> wow theres a lot of fonts in the apple firmware.
12.07.04 #       <dongs> i should jsut rip them
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12.12.35 #       <dongs> rockbox fonts are all 1bit right?
12.12.40 #       <dongs> no grayscale/aliasing?
12.12.48 #       <markun> dongs: that's right
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12.21.13 #       <dongs> is it jsut me or screendump on the nano is kinda "off"
12.21.19 #       <dongs> hm
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12.21.28 #       <dongs> seems the bmp header isnt exaxctly right
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12.22.44 #       <dongs> hm either that or windows image viewer is fucking osmething up
12.23.06 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> "off" is not particularly descriptive in terms of "words that can be used to describe computer data"
12.23.15 #       <dongs> the top line was missing
12.23.22 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Like, one row of pixels?
12.23.24 #       <dongs> but it seems its a feature of windows image viewer.
12.23.25 #       <dongs> yes
12.23.42 #       <dongs> it replaces the top line with a black line which is part of the image border.
12.23.59 #       <dongs> when i opened it in paint it looked fine.
12.23.59 #       <amiconn> The first line is usually less visible in the windows image viewer due to its anti-aliasing
12.24.34 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I'm not a big fan of windows image viewer
12.24.41 #       <dongs> i think its great
12.25.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> If it actually displayed images properly, it might be okay.
12.25.35 #       <dongs> this is the first time i noticed it displaying "improperly"
12.26.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It hates the high-res Rockbox layer, for example. It's not uncommon for it to choke on things.
12.26.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> logo, rather
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12.31.59 #       <ravon> rofl!! A cat just popped a squirrel outside our window.
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12.32.44 #       <ravon> Speaking of that. Time for lunch.
12.33.13 #       <dongs> hm. charger_inserted in power.c is a no-op for ipod, but yet i get a plug icon in statusbar
12.33.23 #       <dongs> why?
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12.37.01 #       <LinusN> dpro: :-)
12.37.46 #       <petur> smileys? tasty ones?
12.38.26 #       <dongs> hm i guess that icon isnt charging but a usb plug.
12.38.45 #       <dongs> really hard to tell since its like 5x5 pixels
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12.41.01 #       <theli_ua> how do you debug plugins? :(
12.42.18 #       <linuxstb> Use the simulator.
12.44.02 #       <theli_ua> yeah ... how do i make breakponts .... know where plugin crashed simulator :)
12.44.13 #       <linuxstb> gdb
12.44.48 #       <dongs> so, mp3 decoding in ipod nano is in software?
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12.44.57 #       <dongs> (in apple firmware)
12.45.02 #       <dongs> or do they use that portalplayer shit
12.45.14 #       <linuxstb> The software runs on that portalplayer shit...
12.45.34 #       <linuxstb> The portalplayer chip contains the two CPUs.
12.45.38 #       <dongs> ah.
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12.46.19 #       <dongs> so thats the arm7 core or whatever?
12.46.25 #       <linuxstb> Yes - two of them.
12.46.32 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: speaking of cpu, what use do we have of the second cp?
12.46.32 #       <linuxstb> arm7tdmi
12.46.34 #       <LinusN> cpu?
12.46.42 #       <linuxstb> At the moment, nothing.  It's sleeping.
12.46.47 #       <dj-fu> put the EQ on it!!
12.46.59 #       <dj-fu> realtime eq + crossfeed + playback please :]
12.47.07 #       * dj-fu dances
12.47.12 #       <linuxstb> That's the easy way out. (and it's not exactly simple either)
12.47.25 #       * dongs sells external battery kits to go with that feature
12.47.28 #       <linuxstb> IMO, one CPU should be able to handle all that when it optimise.
12.47.36 #       <linuxstb> s/it/we/
12.47.59 #       <LinusN> linuxstb: you mean we shouldn't use the second cpu at all?
12.48.01 #       <dongs> i wonder how much performance can be gained by ads/rvct compiling of at least say mp3 codec
12.48.08 #       <dongs> can this be measured somehow?
12.48.13 #       <dpro> why not use it for the gba emulator ;)
12.49.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Clearly the second CPU should be used so that we can play Doom while listening to our own soundtracks.
12.49.17 #       <linuxstb> dongs: IMO, it's a waste of time trying to compile Rockbox with commercial compilers.  Rockbox should be built with open source tools, so we should concentrate on optimising that situation.
12.49.56 #       <B4gder> I agree
12.50.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Thirded, for what I'm worth.
12.50.35 #       <dongs> obviously you've never seen the difference between code produced by gcc and a "real compiler"
12.50.38 #       <dongs> :D
12.50.49 #       <linuxstb> I don't doubt that.  But I don't care.
12.51.04 #       <LinusN> amen
12.51.30 #       <dongs> :(
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12.55.31 #       <ScoTTie> is there anyway to open files in the hidden ipod directory ?
12.55.40 #       <dongs> yea allow viewing all files
12.55.46 #       <dongs> in settings somewehre
12.55.54 #       <ScoTTie> sweet thanks
12.55.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Hold the Menu button while in the filetree, for a few seconds
12.56.05 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> That'll get you the quick menu
12.56.08 #       <dongs> general->file view
12.56.14 #       <dpro> dongs: and the 'real' compiler won't work  on freeBSD or linux/ppc ...
12.56.16 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> dongs: The quick menu's a lot easier
12.56.52 #       <dongs> dpro: lol, again, you either get code that runs 20% faster or you get compatibility with communism
12.56.56 #       <dongs> which one is more important?
12.57.04 #       <preglow> last
12.57.11 #       <preglow> we don't have commercial compilers
12.57.12 #       <dpro> BTW the official arm ltd. compiler sucks (and is quite costly)
12.57.14 #       <linuxstb> LinusN: Going back to your second CPU question, I'm not saying we shouldn't use it, just that I think getting everything Rockbox currently does (regarding audio playback) working together on one CPU is a feasible optimisation target.
12.57.15 #       <preglow> and i don't want to buy one
12.57.18 #       <preglow> that's the end of the line for me
12.57.24 #       <preglow> gcc sure sucks
12.57.27 #       <preglow> but that's another matter
12.57.28 #       <dj-fu> linuxstb, do you think that's possible?
12.57.29 #       <dpro> dongs: communism ? freeBSD ? huh ? 
12.57.41 #       <preglow> linuxstb: agreed
12.57.41 #       * dpro must have missed something or dongs missed OSX
12.57.53 #       <dj-fu> linux=communism remember :)
12.57.58 #       <dj-fu> it was invented by soviet hackers in the cold war
12.58.00 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Not to mention dongs is here using Rockbox and yet speaking against the very philosophies that created it...
12.58.06 #       <dongs> dpro: ads/rvct sucks? really now.
12.58.06 #       <ScoTTie> changing the quick menu to all didnt seem to work for me
12.58.09 #       * dj-fu votes for a ban
12.58.13 #       <ScoTTie> did it the long way and it worked
12.58.13 #       <dongs> ...
12.58.24 #       <preglow> dongs: how much do they charge for ads?
12.58.32 #       <dpro> dj-fu: ah ...  ;)
12.58.38 #       <dongs> ads is old
12.58.39 #       <B4gder> dongs: you gonna pay for a license to all of us?
12.58.40 #       <LinusN> dongs: may i ask why you are constantly throwing flamebait around?
12.58.44 #       <dongs> few k though.
12.58.48 #       <linuxstb> dongs: Are you suggesting that any user who wants to compile their own custom Rockbox build needs to buy a compiler?
12.58.55 #       <dj-fu> lol~!
12.59.01 #       <dj-fu> that's not very oss.
12.59.04 #       <dpro> linuxstb: he probably works for them ;)
12.59.08 #       <B4gder> for "a few K" USD
12.59.11 #       <preglow> hahaha
12.59.19 #       <dpro> linuxstb: and apple sure bought a few licenses 
12.59.21 #       <preglow> but yeah
12.59.23 #       <preglow> we need a gcc guy here
12.59.25 #       <dongs> dpro: i dont doubt it
12.59.28 #       <preglow> who volunteers to dive into gcc?
12.59.31 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> ScoTTie: If the quick menu doesn't work for you, why haven't you verified its reproducability and then either filed a bug report, or added on to an existing one?
12.59.34 #       <dj-fu> and look wha ta crappy job apple did
12.59.48 #       * linuxstb starts poking himself in the eye with a sharp stick to avoid gcc
12.59.53 #       <ScoTTie> because i found out about 5 seconds ago when you asked me
12.59.55 #       <ScoTTie> heh
13.00.04 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Ah
13.00.15 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It's always worked for me. ;-)
13.00.23 #       <dj-fu> in soviet russia, rockbox compiles you
13.00.38 #       <preglow> dj-fu: another slashdotism here, and i'll have to kickban you
13.00.47 #       <dj-fu> oh noes
13.00.50 #       <preglow> even though i'm not +o
13.00.54 #       <dj-fu> what's a slashdotism? I don't follo /.
13.00.55 #       <preglow> i'll manage somehow!
13.00.57 #       <dj-fu> +w.
13.01.08 #       <preglow> dj-fu: good
13.01.23 #       <dpro> dj-fu: yeah someone write a c compiler plugin !!!
13.01.27 #       <preglow> the slashdot crowd tends to throw around jokes likes that for, oh, a couple of years at a time
13.01.30 #       <preglow> it gets tiring
13.01.44 #       <dj-fu> It was referring to the communism statement
13.01.48 #       <dj-fu> but yeah, not very well
13.01.50 #       <preglow> i know
13.01.50 #       <preglow> haha
13.01.50 #       * dj-fu nods
13.01.53 #       <dongs>  Today, the majority of the four billion ARM Powered™ devices worldwide have software created with RealView tools. Investing in the RealView solution is the clear choice for a safe, reliable and high-performance design. < see, ARM knows what's best for YOU.
13.02.09 #       <LinusN> we must obey
13.02.13 #       <preglow> surely we must
13.02.15 #       <B4gder> dongs: then buy us licenses and shut up
13.02.22 #       <preglow> grab some cash from the donation fund and get us a compiler server, now
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13.02.23 #       * dpro obeys , gets credit card
13.02.30 #       <dj-fu> l0l
13.02.48 #       <preglow> and while we're at it, let's get some coldfire tools too
13.02.52 #       <LinusN> and sh1
13.02.57 #       <linuxstb> and ida pro for all
13.03.01 #       <LinusN> and calmrisc
13.03.11 #       <B4gder> and cool hw debuggers/emulators
13.03.27 #       <dpro> jtag adaptors
13.05.39 #       <preglow> and let's sell rockbox!!!11
13.05.49 #       <preglow> you guys don't know how much cash you're missing out on
13.05.55 #       <LinusN> haha
13.06.06 #       <dongs> huhu
13.06.56 #       <dpro> who volunteers for the actual (rock)box, the manual, shipping logistics and the 24h call-center-slave hotline ?
13.07.14 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Well, I'm already doing that last one in text-mode.
13.07.30 #       <petur> :D
13.07.35 #       <linuxstb> 1-800-PAUL-THE-NERD ?
13.07.48 #       <petur> rotfl
13.07.58 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Drop the Paul, and I wonder if it's taken...
13.08.56 #       <linuxstb> Dial it and find out...
13.09.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> Nah, man, if I couldn't read through what I'd typed and edit out some of the more descriptive terms before clicking "Post" I don't think I'd be able to survive.
13.09.19 #       <preglow> so, anyone, what's the situation on wpses for 3.0?
13.09.36 #       <petur> margins!
13.09.54 #       <preglow> if that is to happen, it should happen right now
13.10.43 #       <preglow> afaik, no one has even thought on what wps(es) to bundle yet, and the process won't be simplified by including a new patch the last week
13.11.18 #       <linuxstb> I think Cassandra was working on changing the WPS build system - not sure how far she got though.
13.11.44 #       <linuxstb> But yes, that doesn't solve the issue of which WPSs to bundle.
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13.14.26 #       <preglow> not really many good h3x0 wpses
13.15.26 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> I thought there were a ton of 'em. Or are they all at MR, or !good, or both?
13.15.36 #       <preglow> i'm just looking at the wiki
13.15.41 #       <preglow> and there's also the issue of whether we want to keep a uniform appearance across targets
13.16.12 #       <dj-fu> bundle zezayer
13.16.13 #       <petur> many on MR need at least those margins, many also do album art...
13.16.15 #       <dj-fu> it's the winner
13.17.19 #       <preglow> yeah, mr has some nice ones
13.17.28 #       <preglow> i still think a competition would be a nice idea
13.18.08 #       <Paul_The_Nerd> It would be nice. At least, for another official one to go alongside Rockbox_default and Boxes.
13.19.19 #       <preglow> i don't like boxes too much. i think it's too crowded
13.20.42 #       <preglow> LinusN: will you have the time to look at the h3x0 power consumption stuff before release?
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13.23.12 #       <linuxstb> Is this the margins patch we are talking about? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/2954
13.23.26 #       <preglow> yes
13.24.02 #       <preglow> i've gotta say i'm a bit against applying it at this time
13.24.09 #       <preglow> too late, we've got enough to do before release as it is
13.24.32 #       <preglow> and it does change quite a bit of code
13.26.38 #       <petur> instead of changing lcd_setmargins() everywhere he should have created a new function
13.27.04 #       <linuxstb> Looking at the patch, it "only" seems to do the following: lcd_setmargins(x,y) -> lcd_setmargins(x1,x2,y), lcd_getxmargin() -> lcd_getleftmargin(); and adds a new lcd_getrightmargin() function. (plus the same for the remote)
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13.27.46 #       <linuxstb> So yes, it changes a lot of code, but it's just the same changes applied everywhere.
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13.28.06 #       <petur> he should have made lcd_setmargins(x,y) call lcd_setmargins(xa,x2,y) itself
13.28.55 #       <petur> changed much more code than needed
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13.50.46 #       <amiconn> We do want to switch to viewports anyway - after 3.0
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13.53.23 #       <linuxstb> I think I'm now agreeing to leave any WPS patches out as well - make 3.1 the big "eye candy" release.
13.54.15 #       <preglow> yeap
13.54.20 #       <B4gder> agreed
13.54.20 #       <Mikachu> bug freeze, only add new features
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13.54.35 #       <preglow> earlier would have been fine
13.54.37 #       <preglow> but too late now
13.54.48 #       <B4gder> fireworks is a suitable name for 3.1 then :)
13.56.46 #       <preglow> but i'm gone for the weeked
13.56.48 #       <preglow> later, all
13.56.59 #       <linuxstb> bye
13.57.08 #       <dpro> anyone knows of an easy way to tell an ipod mini 1g from a 2g ?
13.57.41 #       <linuxstb> Only the 2g has the HD capacity engraved on the back.
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13.59.30 #       <XavierGr> yeah a WPS contest would be very good.
13.59.45 #       <XavierGr> Is there any chance that default WPS changes for various targets?
13.59.50 #       <dpro> linuxstb: thx ... now that's really easy ;)
14.00.03 #       <B4gder> XavierGr: I would say there's a chance, if anyone would work on it
14.00.09 #       * dpro officially declares the mini next to him 2g 
14.01.29 #       <XavierGr> B4gder: I know a person which is designing a WPS adapted for all screen targets and using all the great stuff that a wps can currently give.
14.01.29 #       <dwihno> B4gder: What happened to the t-shirt contest? ;)
14.01.49 #       <XavierGr> Maybe there will be a patch later today.
14.01.53 #       * B4gder slaps dwihno with an old fish
14.01.55 #       <linuxstb> XavierGr: Will that work without any patches?
14.02.06 #       <dwihno> :)
14.02.10 #       <XavierGr> yes
14.02.25 #       <XavierGr> the patch will be the submission of the WPSs
14.02.40 #       <linuxstb> Any screenshots available?
14.03.23 #       <XavierGr> hmm he showed me yesterday his work, only iPod 5g remains to be adapted. I really liked the screenshots.
14.03.30 #       <XavierGr> wait I will try to find a link
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14.38.21 #       <zigford> XavierGr: Did you find the link?
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14.41.47 #       <XavierGr> http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/iCatcher-Patchtracker.PNG
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14.51.46 #       <_FireFly_> XavierGr: there is no remote images ;)
14.52.03 #       <XavierGr> yes there is a saperate link for them
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14.52.20 #       <bot47> Hi there
14.52.26 #       <XavierGr> http://users.teilam.gr/~yngwiejo/iCatcher-Remotes.PNG
14.53.56 #       <bot47> The recently implemented method to enable the Dock Connector's power of iPods seems to brake the iPod Radio Remote!
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14.56.44 #       <bot47> Just in the case anyone cares...
14.57.13 #       <petur> ipod accessories are not supported yet
14.58.43 #       <bot47> I just want to warn anyone not to use their remotes with build including firmware/drivers/pcf50605.c version 1.8!
14.59.06 #       <Mikachu> bot47: you mean physically break?
14.59.15 #       <B4gder> so it actually _breaks_ for good?
14.59.41 #       <bot47> Yes, I'm not quite sure, but it really looks like that. I'm currently prooving it
14.59.58 #       <bot47> Yes, either the remote or the ipod
15.00.03 #       <linuxstb> Does that plug into the dock or the remote connector by the headphone socket?
15.00.22 #       <linuxstb> ^dock connector
15.02.42 #       <bot47> It still works sporadically, but sometimes the radio, the keys, or even nothing won't work at all. And also, the ipod displays sometime a message like "This Accesoire cannot be used with this iPod."
15.03.19 #       <petur> you mean when using it in apple fw?
15.03.26 #       <bot47> Of course
15.06.22 #       <bot47> I'm triple checked that the remote's behaviour is wrong. I'm now trying to figure about what exactly caused the problem, but it shortly began after the CVS commit I posted. I will now test if it was really broken by Rockbox.
15.08.40 #       <linuxstb> One thing I would say is that that code is found in IPL, which in turn found it by reverse-engineering the diagnostics mode in a 4g ipod.  So it's possible we shouldn't do it on the 5g and Nano.
15.09.38 #       <linuxstb> But it does seem to make some accessories work, so it would be a shame to revert it.
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15.13.28 #       <bot47> I just restored my iPod's software to remove iPL 2.4b2
15.13.41 #       <bot47> Did not really do anything.
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15.17.11 #       <linuxstb> Is that the same version of the Apple firmware that you were running before?
15.17.45 #       <bot47> yes
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15.18.24 #       <bot47> and in the beginning 1.1.1 worked properly
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15.20.47 #       <webguest02> Interesting => http://www.misticriver.net/showthread.php?t=41305
15.21.39 #       <linuxstb> bot47: The only conclusive test I can think of would be to return your Radio Remote and get a replacement, and then see if you can break it again.
15.21.49 #       <linuxstb> (just using that patch)
15.22.00 #       <bot47> lol ;)
15.22.10 #       <bot47> not exactly what i want
15.22.27 #       <B4gder> we want sacrifices! ;-)
15.22.40 #       <B4gder> and you have been chosen
15.22.47 #       <B4gder> congratulations
15.22.49 #       <B4gder> ;-)
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15.27.38 #       <bot47> I'm going to get a replacement, but I don't really know if I want to break it again. I didn't bought it in my town, but 50km away. It is not visibly damaged, so I bet I get a replacement.
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15.40.17 #       <Lynx_> Is it a known bug that audio pauses on long scrolling in the file browser?
15.40.46 #       <linuxstb> On ipods, yes.
15.40.54 #       <Lynx_> no, this is H300
15.41.39 #       <linuxstb> It's possible, but I don't own one, so can't say for sure.
15.41.45 #       <linuxstb> I _think_ others have reported it though.
15.41.57 #       <Lynx_> hmm, could not find a report on flyspray
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15.42.54 #       <linuxstb> It's not really a bug as such, more the fact that you're asking Rockbox to do too much at the same time, and it can't currently keep up.  At least, that's the ipod reason.
15.43.19 #       <linuxstb> But wait and see if an H300 developer answers your question....
15.43.25 #       <Lynx_> ok
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15.44.28 #       <amiconn> Same on H300
15.44.43 #       <XavierGr> lynx: what audio format are you playing when that happens
15.44.51 #       <Lynx_> XavierGr: just mp3
15.45.30 #       <XavierGr> 128?
15.45.31 #       <amiconn> It happens with all formats sooner or later
15.45.43 #       <amiconn> (well, perhaps not with wav or such - didn't try)
15.46.05 #       <XavierGr> I didn't know that
15.47.51 #       <Lynx_> so it's not considered a bug?
15.48.02 #       <B4gder> I would call it a bug
15.49.43 #       <Lynx_> it's kinda annoying, too
15.50.31 #       <Lynx_> why does it happen anyway, what changes from scrolling for 2 sec to scrolling for 4 secs?
15.50.38 #       <Mikachu> the buffer runs out
15.50.42 #       <Lynx_> ah
15.51.19 #       <muesli-> re
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16.01.14 #       <amiconn> gah
16.01.16 #       <Lynx_> did something about dircache change? can't find it in the menu anymore
16.04.05 #       <PaulJam> Are there any plans to implement the crossfade settings with only 3 parameters (fade in duration; fade out duration; overlap) before the 3.0 release?
16.05.23 #       <B4gder> at least I haven't seen any huge crowds volounteering for that
16.08.19 #       <Romanos> is there any way to get an html viewer for rockbox? 
16.08.22 #       <Romanos> lol
16.08.29 #       <B4gder> Romanos: yes, write one!
16.08.33 #       <Romanos> :P
16.08.52 #       <PaulJam> or hope that someone else writes one
16.09.07 #       <B4gder> or pay someone else to write it!
16.09.31 #       <Romanos> the fonts would be that small , that u're going to need a microscope to read them
16.10.08 #       <B4gder> well, lots of phones have browsers
16.10.21 #       <B4gder> and several of them with LCDs smaller than the biggest rockbox targets
16.10.22 #       <Romanos> u mean pdas?
16.10.29 #       <B4gder> phones
16.10.40 #       <Romanos> phones like mobile ones?
16.10.43 #       <B4gder> yes
16.11.00 #       <Romanos> yeah.. but aren't they 3gs?
16.11.05 #       <B4gder> some are
16.11.32 #       <Romanos> i reckon you're talkin about wap
16.11.40 #       <B4gder> no
16.11.49 #       <B4gder> I have a gsm phone that shows HTML pages
16.11.52 #       <RedBreva> I ran Opera on my Nokia 6600... Nothing 3G or WAP
16.11.58 #       <Romanos> really?
16.12.05 #       <Romanos> i didn't knew that
16.12.08 #       <B4gder> and its not even a new phone
16.12.15 #       <Romanos> so anything is possible
16.12.21 #       <B4gder> of course its possible
16.12.24 #       <RedBreva> It was quite good actually!
16.12.37 #       <B4gder> my phone has a 220x176 screen
16.12.41 #       <Romanos> dreamweaver on rockbox????
16.12.43 #       <Romanos> heheheh
16.12.47 #       <B4gder> which is the h300 size...
16.12.51 #       <B4gder> just rotated
16.12.58 #       <Slasheri> i have a phone with qwerty keyboard, wlan, gprs and putty ssh (nice for irc with irssi) :)
16.13.16 #       <Romanos> nice
16.13.19 #       <Slasheri> so that is very possible indeed
16.14.26 #       <Romanos> if i could view html content through my rockbox, that would really be so neet
16.14.26 #       <RedBreva> in a WPS, does the background image sit infront of the text?
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16.15.02 #       <B4gder> no
16.15.10 #       <B4gder> the backdrop is always behind
16.15.44 #       <RedBreva> Uhmmm, so why can't I see the text unless I use ff00ff
16.16.15 #       <B4gder> is that really a backdrop image you're talking about?
16.16.24 #       <RedBreva> Redbreva Goes away to check his WPS code again....
16.16.28 #       <B4gder> perhaps I'm just halucinating
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16.18.14 #       <RedBreva> %x|a|background.bmp|0|0|
16.18.49 #       <PaulJam> RedBreva: if you load the image with %x the image is in front of the text, you need to load the image with %X
16.19.03 #       <RedBreva> Ahhhh!  Thank you
16.20.00 #       <PaulJam> in your case this would be %X|background.bmp|  (the image needs to be the size of the display)
16.21.07 #       <B4gder> back in the days when I hacked WPS, there was just a handful of tags ;-)
16.21.27 #       * B4gder gets that dazy nostalgic look in his face
16.23.26 #       <RedBreva> Ah, the other glitch was because forground/background colours are american :(
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16.25.20 #       <amiconn> XavierGr: These iCatcher WPSes look quite good ('cept that I don't like centered text personally). However, the ipod mini is also capable of displaying 4 greylevels just as H1x0 and ipod 4g.
16.26.31 #       * amiconn wonders what the corel icon like symbol does in the statusbar
16.26.57 #       <Genre9mp3> amiconn: Glad you like the wps....
16.27.29 #       <Genre9mp3> I'm currently working on the iPod5G version as well..
16.28.24 #       <Genre9mp3> Since when the iPod Mini supports grayscale??? I was working on a sim I compiled some time ago and it didn't work...
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16.33.20 #       <XavierGr> amiconn: what corell icon?
16.33.36 #       <XavierGr> the circle with dots is the volume
16.36.43 #       <Genre9mp3> It also animates when seeking or paused
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16.41.41 #       <amiconn> The mini supports 4-gray since the beginning...
16.42.51 #       <amiconn> It uses the very same driver as the 4g greyscale ipod
16.43.37 #       <Genre9mp3> I got blury images with 24bit bmps in the sim...
16.44.10 #       <Genre9mp3> I'll recompile a sim with the latest fix and I'll work on that..
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16.46.43 #       <Genre9mp3> also I managed to remove the unnessecary "%al" tags in the code
16.55.14 #       <lostlogic> XavierGr: so now, are you _sure_ that the remaining noise you are _supposedly_ ;) hearing is not just the transition between the levels of the two tracks?
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17.28.25 #       <RedBreva> Is the Nano very slow at file operations, or is my USB port playing up - 6 minutes to delete 8 unwanted WPS folders!!
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17.34.05 #       <ashridah> hurray for lots of tiny files
17.34.29 #       <ashridah> RedBreva: i seem to recall talk of the disk mode being a very slow implementation
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17.34.39 #       <ashridah> (on ipods in general)
17.34.46 #       <ashridah> i could be talking out of my ass tho ;)
17.35.23 #       <RedBreva> hehehe, Ok, thanks  ...  Just tried on another port and it's still dog slow :(
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17.58.07 #       <goffa> heh.. my video card just saved me $1600
17.58.19 #       <goffa> just about bought a dell 3007wfp
17.58.40 #       <goffa> but i need a new vid card... 
17.59.44 #       <goffa> i would really like a 30" monitor for dvds though
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18.07.20 #       <mikearthur> is Rockbox getting sued?
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18.34.29 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic: Tonight I will make another recording for you to hear what I am saying. I doubt that it is what you say, but who knows maybe I am wrong.
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19.07.06 #       <dpro> re
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19.23.23 #       <_FireFly_> sn1ff: what do you mean with "quit rockbox"?
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19.31.59 #       <Presence> rockbox, I wish I could quit you.
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19.32.29 #       <_FireFly_> Presence: ?
19.32.54 #       <Presence> haha, its a joke.
19.33.21 #       <Presence> quote kinda from "Brokeback Mountain", a movie about gay cowboys.
19.33.39 #       <Presence> and apparently they use rockbox.
19.34.29 #       <Acksaw> rofl
19.38.55 #       <dpro> hehe aren't we all just gay cowboys ;)
19.42.30 #       <Acksaw> lol
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19.50.59 #       <ericmoritz\0> hello
19.54.02 #       <Hansmaulwurf> hi
19.55.05 #       <ericmoritz\0> when are the dailys built (what time)
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20.00.09 #       <bluebrother> ericmoritz\0: sometime during the night. Just look at the http headers.
20.00.30 #       <bluebrother> last build for h120 is for example: Last-Modified: Fri, 05 May 2006 04:25:12 GMT
20.00.35 #       <Hansmaulwurf> yeah
20.00.39 #       <Hansmaulwurf> and here: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060505.html
20.00.46 #       <Hansmaulwurf> u can see what changes are included
20.00.56 #       <ericmoritz\0> Hansmaulwurf: thanks I was looking for the changelog
20.01.21 #       <bluebrother> but why is the exact time important? If you want the newest build you should use the cvs builds.
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20.01.41 #       <bluebrother> actually the daily builds are cvs builds, but only build once a day.
20.02.57 #       <ericmoritz\0> I wanted to know if the tagcache playlist fix was in the latest build
20.03.35 #       <bluebrother> bottom of the page: Changes done <lastdailybuild>
20.03.41 #       <Hansmaulwurf> then install the bleeding edge build
20.03.52 #       <Hansmaulwurf> they are updated with every change (I think)
20.04.19 #       <bluebrother> so the latest daily build doesn't have the fix.
20.04.44 #       <ericmoritz\0> yeah
20.04.48 #       <Hansmaulwurf> looks like
20.05.08 #       <bluebrother> the changelog tells ;-)
20.05.16 #       <_FireFly_> the bleeding edge builds are done after each cvs commit
20.05.29 #       <ericmoritz\0> this is what I'm looking for :) http://www.rockbox.org/cvsmod/chlog-2006-05-05%2007:01:51.html
20.06.28 #       <bluebrother> just look at the changes of the latest daily build: http://www.rockbox.org/daily/changes-20060505.html
20.06.52 #       <bluebrother> latest change is 3:13
20.07.14 #       <ericmoritz\0> yeah, it's not in there, I'll have to install the bleeding edge one or wait until tommorrow morning
20.07.23 #       <bluebrother> comparing with the cvs log on the frontpage tells us directly the fix you mean was comitted later.
20.07.38 #       <bluebrother> meaning it isn't included, so you need to use a cvs build.
20.07.49 #       <ericmoritz\0> yeah I know :)
20.08.04 #       <bluebrother> I don't see any point in waiting.
20.08.08 #       <Hansmaulwurf> i dont the a reason why one should wait for a daily build
20.08.21 #       <Hansmaulwurf> see
20.08.29 #       <ericmoritz\0> Hansmaulwurf: I forgot the usb cable at home :)
20.08.40 #       <ericmoritz\0> Hansmaulwurf: that's why I'd have to wait
20.08.45 #       <Hansmaulwurf> lol then why are u asking?
20.08.48 #       <Hansmaulwurf> :P
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20.09.23 #       <ericmoritz\0> Hansmaulwurf: because I can probably beg for a cable for someone at work
20.09.47 #       <ericmoritz\0> and I asked about the commit time before I knew about the bleeding edge builds
20.10.51 #       <ericmoritz\0> I probably have to kill the .rockbox folder with every build update don't I
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20.11.41 #       <Pi> does anyone know a simple function that tells if the USB is connected or not?
20.12.09 #       <PaulJam> you can just copy the new build over the old one
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20.29.07 #       <linuxstb_> Pi: What do you need to do?
20.29.17 #       <ericmoritz\0> PaulJam: what if the configuration format changes?
20.29.34 #       <Pi> I think i just sorted it
20.30.15 #       <Pi> I am/was trying to set it up that when you press play, in the menu, it quits to the menu compleatly
20.30.34 #       <linuxstb_> ericmoritz\0: Rockbox will automatically reset the settings to the defaults when it detects the config format changes.  You don't need to delete .rockbox (I never do).
20.30.36 #       <PaulJam>  the configuration is stored on a special sector on the disk, not in the .rockbox folder
20.30.46 #       <ericmoritz\0> ah
20.30.52 #       <Pi> i wanted to set it up so that if the usb was conected it wouldent return to the wps
20.30.59 #       <ericmoritz\0> that's why the colors stayed the same
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20.32.19 #       <bluebrother> ericmoritz\0: you can of course save your settings to a file somewhere in .rockbox and reload it if the config format changes.
20.32.48 #       <Pi> insted I just checked to see if music was playing and i think it is working
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21.51.08 #       <Romanos> :)
21.51.57 #       <XavierGr> lostlogic: are you around?
21.52.51 #       <Romanos> hi xavier?
21.52.54 #       <Romanos> :P
21.53.28 #       <XavierGr> hi
21.53.49 #       <Romanos> got any ideas on how to implement an html viewer for rockbox.. lol
21.54.00 #       <XavierGr> I don't even know html
21.54.31 #       <Romanos> well.. u don't need to know html to create one
21.54.32 #       <Romanos> :P
21.54.50 #       <speacial_ed> I have a 5g winpod and I have Rockbox IPL and Retail OS, however from the loader where you choose one of the three if I pick "Retail OS" it simply loads up IPL... I installed with silvius "5g easy install" tutorial. Any help?
21.54.51 #       <ericmoritz\0> use lynx :)
21.55.06 #       <ericmoritz\0> port lynx i mean
21.55.13 #       <Romanos> get ridd of ipl loader
21.55.26 #       <Romanos> it's crap
21.55.56 #       <speacial_ed> then how do i choose which one to run?
21.56.19 #       <Romanos> Rockbox IPL?
21.56.24 #       <Romanos> what r u talkin about?
21.56.42 #       <Romanos> u mean the three of them right?
21.56.53 #       <Romanos> rockbox, ipl and retail
21.57.06 #       <speacial_ed> yes
21.57.15 #       <Romanos> just install rockbox
21.57.29 #       <Romanos> and then ipl
21.57.44 #       <Romanos> and use the loader tutorial for ipl
21.58.02 #       <Romanos> but in my personal bad experience i wouldn't use ipl's loader
21.58.04 #       <speacial_ed> no other way? Id rather not go through all of that again
21.58.40 #       <Romanos> i know that u wanna give it a shot, but i'm tellin ya.. it's not worth it
21.58.52 #       <Romanos> hang on..
21.59.37 #       <Romanos> this is what i used to figure out loader http://ipodlinux.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=9615
22.00.18 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: rockbox' bootloader can load all three
22.00.41 #       <Romanos> yep.. and it accomplishes that really smoothly
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22.00.42 #       <speacial_ed> someway I can just replace it without doing too much?
22.00.50 #       <Romanos> nah
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22.01.11 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: just install the rockbox bootloader
22.01.16 #       <Romanos> exactly
22.01.34 #       <Romanos> well, he's already got it
22.01.35 #       <speacial_ed> where do i get it?
22.01.45 #       <speacial_ed> 0_o so lost
22.01.46 #       <Romanos> you already have it mate
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22.02.25 #       <Romanos> just press any button once when u see the apple logo at rebbot proccess
22.02.33 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: firstly, ignore Romanos, secondly, go to rockbox.org and read the instructions for installing rockbox bootloader
22.02.38 #       <Romanos> u should boot into ipl right away
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22.03.05 #       <speacial_ed> sorry romanos I have to follow mikachu on this one hes helped me out before
22.03.47 #       <Romanos> yeah.. no worries, i really try to figure out how bad manners can a human person have
22.03.55 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: do you still have an apple_os.bin?
22.04.06 #       <Mikachu> Romanos: i think you mastered bad manners long ago
22.04.31 #       <Romanos> hmm i really don't remember doing that
22.04.38 #       <speacial_ed> where would the apple_os.bin be located?
22.04.53 #       <Romanos> but anyway we all get judged by our actions and behaviour
22.04.56 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: you would have used in when installing the ipl bootloader
22.05.20 #       <speacial_ed> soo... how do I check?
22.06.00 #       <speacial_ed> i dont see it in my second partition.. should it be there?
22.06.14 #       <Mikachu> on your computer
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22.06.18 #       <speacial_ed> ooooo
22.06.23 #       <speacial_ed> Im dumb sorry
22.06.28 #       <speacial_ed> i have it yes
22.07.38 #       <Doomed> hey, does tagcache have a "add to playlist" option in yet...i no it keeps changing
22.08.00 #       <Doomed> nevermind
22.08.04 #       <Doomed> just read the cvs
22.08.07 #       <ericmoritz\0> Doomed: The latest cvs build has it
22.08.19 #       <ericmoritz\0> I just installed it an hour ago
22.08.25 #       <Doomed> nice?
22.08.42 #       <ericmoritz\0> works as expected
22.09.16 #       <m0ra> Im stuck at the bootloader intalling to my ipon nano. Done ipodpatcher from 0-100 and nothing found. It replys alway with "Error opening disk..." exept with 0 it replys "Drive is not a ipod, aborting"
22.09.18 #       <speacial_ed> Mikachu: so should I just install the rockbox bootloader?
22.09.25 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: yeah
22.09.56 #       <m0ra> any solution advices?
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22.10.12 #       <Romanos> special , u've already got the bootloader
22.10.35 #       <sn1ff> m0ra: what about disconnecting all the other devices
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22.10.47 #       <m0ra> all other usb devices?
22.10.52 #       <sn1ff> yes
22.10.58 #       <m0ra> I'll give it a go
22.11.00 #       <ericmoritz\0> m0ra: I installed it on the nano, but I was using Linux so I don't know... are is it drive mode?
22.11.15 #       <m0ra> drive mode?
22.11.37 #       <Romanos> drive mode only when connected via usb
22.11.59 #       <m0ra> do i haveto switch my ipod to a certain mode for this to work? the install document said nothing about that :c
22.12.15 #       <ericmoritz\0> m0ra: I don't know
22.12.51 #       <Mikachu> if you have itunes i think it will block access to the ipod by default
22.12.53 #       * ericmoritz\0 will shut up, he doesn't know what he's talking about...
22.13.11 #       <m0ra> Is that so? So iäll haveto delete itunes?
22.13.17 #       <m0ra> *ill
22.13.17 #       <Doomed> m0ra
22.13.18 #       <speacial_ed> ok... bootloader installed
22.13.29 #       <m0ra> Doomed?
22.13.30 #       <Doomed> u cant install rockbox?
22.13.34 #       <m0ra> yup
22.13.40 #       <Mikachu> m0ra: no, just set the ipod to disk mode in itunes
22.13.43 #       <Doomed> u can boot into the ipod firmware tho right?
22.13.50 #       <m0ra> yup
22.13.58 #       <Mikachu> it's really a mode in itunes though
22.14.07 #       <Doomed> do what Mikachu just said
22.14.13 #       <Doomed> it should install after that
22.14.28 #       <m0ra> Oh, ill try that, thanks for the advice yall!
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22.14.54 #       <speacial_ed> Mikachu: I installed the rockbox bootloader and now it automatically goes to Rockbox, of course, but how do I get into IPL?
22.15.07 #       <Doomed> ipl?
22.15.16 #       <speacial_ed> ipod linux...
22.15.18 #       <Romanos> press any button during boot once
22.15.21 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: put the kernel on your fat partition, and call it linux.bin
22.15.28 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: then hold down play right after the apple shows
22.16.05 #       <Romanos> what's the linux file has to do?
22.16.12 #       <Romanos> i used the nano installation
22.16.34 #       <Romanos> should be an ipl installer for video definitely
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22.18.38 #       <speacial_ed> Mikachu: Took me a few times to get it right (as it used to when I had only Rockbox and tried to get into retail OS) but I got it and it works nicely, thank you much
22.18.47 #       <speacial_ed> And you have surpased Paul as my favorite helper
22.18.51 #       <speacial_ed> :p
22.18.55 #       <Mikachu> heh
22.21.26 #       <speacial_ed> Uh O, looks like I spoke too soon, it booted linux but when I tried to run retail OS it started iPL loader....
22.21.42 #       <speacial_ed> Perhaps Im missing a file or something for retail OS
22.21.43 #       <m0ra> Stuck again :x "ipod_fw -o apple_os.bin -e 0 bootpartition.bin" is not a regognized command
22.21.55 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: maybe
22.22.00 #       <m0ra> am i missing something again?
22.22.25 #       <Mikachu> speacial_ed: did you run something that looked like this?
22.22.30 #       <Mikachu> ipod_fw -g nano -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader/bootloader.bin
22.22.49 #       <speacial_ed> I dont believe so...
22.23.11 #       <speacial_ed> i dont have a nano though...
22.23.42 #       <speacial_ed> wait I do think I did that one, just with video
22.23.49 #       <speacial_ed> Ill try it again
22.23.57 #       <Mikachu> can you paste your ipod_fw command?
22.24.25 #       <speacial_ed> ipod_fw -g video -o rockboot.bin -i apple_os.bin bootloader-video.bin
22.24.33 #       <speacial_ed> that?
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22.24.43 #       <Mikachu> hm well that should be including the apple os then
22.25.09 #       <speacial_ed> I probably made some horrible mistake when installing iPL
22.25.51 #       <speacial_ed> Any suggestions?
22.26.11 #       <Romanos> i can help u out if u want special.. i've done it many times
22.26.32 #       <speacial_ed> Im up for just about anything I guess, whats your idea Romanos?
22.27.04 #       <Romanos> you'll just have to pm me.. there's eyes everywhere 
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22.27.12 #       <Romanos> bad eyes..
22.27.19 #       <speacial_ed> What do you mean?
22.28.07 #       <Romanos> nevermind
22.28.11 #       <m0ra> How the hell should a command starting "ipod_fw" do anything when executed from the commandprompt? There is no program running that recognizes it and it isn't part of the windows basic commands? I'm loosing it soon guys!
22.28.25 #       <Mikachu> Romanos: i won't disturb you
22.28.52 #       <speacial_ed> Mikachu: Do however tell me if what Im about to do would be bad, please.
22.28.53 #       <m0ra> The helpdocument is driving me crazy, so many things untold, so many flaws :(
22.29.42 #       <Mikachu> m0ra: ... you download the program from the install page
22.29.57 #       <m0ra> what is the programs name?
22.30.11 #       <m0ra> ipodpatcher.exe?
22.30.16 #       <speacial_ed> ipod_fw?
22.30.17 #       <m0ra> bootloader.bin?
22.30.22 #       <Mikachu> or maybe it's in the rockbox zip
22.30.29 #       <Mikachu> i don't know how you windows people do it
22.30.46 #       <m0ra> the document said that download just 2 files, and that i did :P
22.30.52 #       <linuxstb_> It's all on the IpodInstallation wiki page...
22.30.58 #       <speacial_ed> ipod_fw.exe is in the install page for ipod
22.31.16 #       <speacial_ed> its right under the link to ipodpatcher.exe and bootloader
22.31.18 #       <m0ra> have to seek it out then.
22.31.34 #       <speacial_ed> You know, where it says "download required files"
22.31.35 #       <m0ra> my mistake!
22.31.38 #       <m0ra> damn
22.31.51 #       <m0ra> im going blind or something
22.31.55 #       <m0ra> there it is
22.31.58 #       <speacial_ed> We all do it
22.31.59 #       <m0ra> nicely on the list
22.32.07 #       <Romanos> have u tried to just download the ipodlinux installer special?
22.32.25 #       <Romanos> it really can't be simplier than that
22.32.34 #       <speacial_ed> You mean the thing thats supposed to install iPL for you?
22.32.37 #       <speacial_ed> Doesnt work for me.
22.32.43 #       <Romanos> sure?
22.32.47 #       <speacial_ed> 100%
22.32.52 #       <speacial_ed> Tried it a few times
22.33.02 #       <Romanos> have u watched the video?
22.33.13 #       <Romanos> on how to install it manually?
22.33.18 #       <speacial_ed> Yes
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22.33.38 #       <Romanos> any lock with that?
22.33.41 #       <Romanos> luck
22.34.01 #       <speacial_ed> What do you mean?
22.34.07 #       <speacial_ed> I have iPL already...
22.34.22 #       <speacial_ed> It runs fine, its just that I cant boot into retail os
22.34.36 #       <Romanos> .
22.34.43 #       <Romanos> i think it's time to restore
22.34.50 #       <speacial_ed> Nooooooooooooooo
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22.35.09 #       <ericmoritz\0> is there a easy way to clear the playlist?
22.35.11 #       <speacial_ed> I dont wanna do all that again.
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22.35.31 #       <speacial_ed> Im not very gifted with computers and it took me forever to install iPl
22.35.50 #       <Romanos> r u sure that ipl installer doesn't works?
22.36.12 #       <Romanos> dunno
22.36.17 #       <speacial_ed> 100%
22.36.26 #       <speacial_ed> Ill try and run it right now too
22.37.30 #       <Romanos> download the latest version first
22.38.02 #       <speacial_ed> will do
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22.38.38 #       <Romanos> are u shure you are holding the correct buttons when booting?
22.38.40 #       <Romanos> sure
22.39.10 #       <speacial_ed> Yes 100%
22.39.27 #       <speacial_ed> I can sometimes be stupid, but not that stupid
22.39.54 #       <Romanos> it's not about stupidity , otherwise everyone would be stupid..
22.40.08 #       <speacial_ed> Hey I have an iPod_os_backup.fw... could I use that to help me someway?
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22.40.42 #       <speacial_ed> "Error accessing filesystem."
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22.42.23 #       <Romanos> have you try download that ipl installer yet?
22.42.25 #       <speacial_ed> "I was unable to properly access the SysInfo file on your iPod; either it didnt exist, theres something wrong with your iPods filesystem, or [most likely] theres a bug in the installer
22.42.35 #       <speacial_ed> "
22.42.55 #       <Romanos> u should probably use the restore function mate
22.43.14 #       <zgh> has anyone gotten rockbox to compile using gcc-4.0.3 -Os?
22.43.14 #       <Romanos> i'm sure there's something wrong at the first place
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22.43.31 #       <zgh> i am having linking problems
22.43.34 #       <speacial_ed> And after that Ill have to reinstall iPL and such?
22.43.46 #       <Romanos> yep.. that's the deal
22.43.55 #       <Romanos> but backup everything
22.44.01 #       <Romanos> from your fat part
22.44.51 #       <linuxstb_> zgh: Which target are you trying to build?
22.44.58 #       <zgh> arm-elf ipod nano
22.45.06 #       <zgh> on linux
22.45.34 #       <speacial_ed> In the installer after I get the error it asks if I have a backup of my OS which I do, and if I want to restore it.... would doing that maybe fix the problem?
22.45.44 #       <speacial_ed> And will it delete iPL too?
22.46.08 #       <Romanos> maybe..
22.46.14 #       <Romanos> never tried it that way
22.46.21 #       <Romanos> back up first!!!
22.46.24 #       <speacial_ed> k
22.46.26 #       <linuxstb_> zgh: What's the linker error?
22.47.34 #       <zgh> linuxstb_: when linking rockbox.elf:
22.47.38 #       <zgh> linuxstb_: /home/zhobson/rockbox/rockbox-cvs/build/librockbox.a(thread.o): In function `sleep_thread':
22.47.41 #       <zgh> thread.c:(.text.sleep_thread+0x10): relocation truncated to fit: R_ARM_PC24 against symbol `switch_thread' defined in .icode section in /home/zhobson/rockbox/rockbox-cvs/build/librockbox.a(thread.o)
22.47.45 #       <zgh> sorry for the spam!
22.48.20 #       <linuxstb_> Have you changed any other GCCOPTS ?
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22.48.31 #       <zgh> just -Os instead of -O
22.49.05 #       <Mikachu> is that an error?
22.49.20 #       <zgh> Mikachu: yes the link fails
22.49.41 #       <Mikachu> this is a shot in the dark, but when i tried -Os i had to use -fno-optimize-sibling-calls too
22.49.49 #       <Mikachu> i don't remember what the error was though
22.49.53 #       <zgh> Mikachu: thx I will try that
22.52.44 #       <zgh> Mikachu: it built!
22.52.46 #       <zgh> thanks!
22.53.01 #       <zgh> now to see if it'll explode!
22.53.01 #       <Mikachu> heh
22.53.08 #       <Mikachu> i had some bad luck with the jpeg plugin
22.53.17 #       <m0ra> where can i download themes for rockbox?
22.53.36 #       <m0ra> and brw, i got it to work, thanks for your help guys!
22.53.40 #       <m0ra> *btw
22.53.48 #       <Mikachu> http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WpsGallery
22.53.51 #       <Mikachu> http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/
22.54.05 #       <m0ra> cheers
22.56.49 #       <BHSPitMonkey> I like arctic descent
22.57.26 #       <BHSPitMonkey> http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/theme_320x240x16%5CPreview%5CArctic_Desert.jpg
22.57.29 #       <BHSPitMonkey> *Desert
22.57.32 #       <BHSPitMonkey> read it wrong...
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22.58.20 #       <zgh> d'oh.
22.58.22 #       <zgh> ipod-explody
22.58.27 #       <zgh> oh well
22.58.44 #       <Mikachu> Os is probably much slower too
22.58.53 #       <zgh> it was a fun experiment
22.59.20 #       <zgh> thanks for the help ipod panics are very exciting ^_^
22.59.46 #       <zgh> *screeeech! crackle crackle!*
23.01.02 #       <m0ra> how do i install themes :x
23.01.12 #       <speacial_ed> I was just reading around the iPL page and apparently its loader2s fault my retail os wont boot how do i uninstall it?
23.01.17 #       <BHSPitMonkey> m0ra: unzip them?
23.01.19 #       <BHSPitMonkey> :o
23.01.21 #       <m0ra> to the root?
23.01.27 #       <speacial_ed> to .rockb
23.01.29 #       <speacial_ed> x
23.01.33 #       <speacial_ed> bleh i cant type
23.01.36 #       <speacial_ed> to .rockbox
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23.02.02 #       <BHSPitMonkey> speacial_ed: how's it loader2's fault? it's always worked.
23.02.03 #       <m0ra> so if its a folder named "Ipod_nano" ill extract that folder to .rockbox?
23.02.26 #       <BHSPitMonkey> speacial_ed: but all you'd need to do is install the rockbox loader now, in the normal way.
23.02.36 #       <m0ra> or its content like "Themes" "Fonts"
23.02.56 #       <speacial_ed> When Loader2 is installed, you can't boot into the apple firmware. Just letting you know.
23.02.57 #       <speacial_ed>     I've acknowledged that I know of this several times now. — Josh (talk) 16:00, 10 Apr 2006 
23.03.03 #       <m0ra> well, ill figure it out -->
23.03.22 #       <speacial_ed> And I have the rockbox loader installed now and when I try to boot retail it runs loader2
23.04.00 #       <Mikachu> linuxstb_: http://pastebot.gentoo-se.ath.cx/26
23.04.14 #       <Mikachu> linuxstb_: +#ifdef probably
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23.06.00 #       <speacial_ed> BHSPitMonkey: any ideas?
23.06.37 #       <BHSPitMonkey> speacial_ed: maybe that's a recent bug, I dunno
23.06.39 #       <BHSPitMonkey> I've used it though
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23.07.00 #       <speacial_ed> I just want to get rid of loader2 and see if it works...
23.07.08 #       <BHSPitMonkey> just do a restore
23.07.10 #       <BHSPitMonkey> and start over.
23.07.22 #       <speacial_ed> fine...
23.07.35 #       <BHSPitMonkey> unless you know what you're doing...
23.07.39 #       <BHSPitMonkey> (?)
23.07.52 #       <speacial_ed> I know about somethings, I guess, but generally no
23.08.27 #       <m0ra> ok, now how do i delet the music that i have uploaded to the player by itunes ?
23.08.52 #       <m0ra> whats the folder called or the files or sumthing
23.08.55 #       <speacial_ed> Put it in disk mode and go into itunes and delete it?
23.09.11 #       <m0ra> k, if it works that way :P
23.09.15 #       <speacial_ed> it does
23.17.14 #       <Mikachu> linuxstb_: i played to level 4 three or four times now without crashing, and still stayed on 30.00 fps
23.19.59 #       <Bagder> "Subject: [U-Boot-Users] [PATCH 3/11] Add Rockbox FAT filesystem driver with write support"
23.20.24 #       <Bagder> :-)
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23.24.20 #       <Mikachu> looking through the old mailing list archives?
23.24.36 #       <Bagder> that's from U-Boot-Users
23.24.41 #       <Bagder> as of today
23.24.52 #       <Mikachu> ah, they borrowed your driver
23.24.56 #       <Bagder> yeps
23.26.09 #       <jeffelkins> Any word on  FS#5264 — System Freeze: iPod Photo 60GB ?
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23.32.47 #       * amiconn now has a strong suspicion what goes wrong with arm-elf-gcc -mlong-calls, but without function sections....
23.34.14 #       <amiconn> I believe this is fixable with moderate effort
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23.37.53 #       <speacial_ed> heh, the installer worked this time... thats good but it also makes me angry that i actually follow the tutorial the other time... at least I got some experience out of it...
23.39.04 #       <speacial_ed> o geeze I lied it still wont load retail os and it doesnt show rockbox...
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23.52.14 #       <amiconn> Yay! My theory is correct!
23.52.59 #       * amiconn now has a rockbox.ipod for mini2g built with -mlong-calls, but _without_ -ffunction-sections
23.53.06 #       <amiconn> Saves 11KB
23.53.39 #       <Bagder> nice!
23.54.11 #       <amiconn> Gcc goofs like I thought
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23.54.52 #       <amiconn> The description for -mlong-calls says that gcc uses some heuristic to decide which functions can be called by a short call even with -mlong-calls enabled
23.55.33 #       <amiconn> Calls to functions within a different sections use long calls, and calls to static functions use short calls
23.56.07 #       <amiconn> The interesting thing is what happens with a static ICODE function: gcc chooses the wrong option and wants to make a short call...
23.57.15 #       <amiconn> The hacky solution is to make all icode functions non-static. The only functions of this type are in ata.c (6 functions in total)
23.57.52 #       <amiconn> The proper solution would be to fix gcc, arrrgh!