--- Log for 07.05.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 12 days ago 00.02.29 # Hey Paul_The_Nerd 00.04.51 # Hola 00.05.14 Quit Spacksaw ("I'm off, see ya later!") 00.05.42 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.05.59 # Someone make a dock program container for Windows :/ 00.07.49 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-179-76-84.dsl.pipex.com) 00.08.22 Quit Rincewind_12 ("bye") 00.09.15 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 00.09.29 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.12.46 # scottder: hm it looks like it's faster too 00.12.55 # Done encoding file "standard.ogg" 00.12.57 # Rate: 8.9929 00.12.57 # Average bitrate: 113.1 kb/s 00.13.00 # Done encoding file "beta.ogg" 00.13.03 # Rate: 11.0860 00.13.03 # Average bitrate: 112.0 kb/s 00.13.24 # Which one? 00.13.36 # your recommended encoder vs the standard one 00.13.58 # Ah yes....I get about 20x when transcoding....does the job quite nicely 00.14.01 # ps, renaming shared libs after they're compiled is not as easy as you think 00.14.14 # and i compiled it with -O2 and no -ffast-math 00.14.22 # i think it's weird to have -ffast-math in an encoder btw 00.14.35 # Never copile it on a linux box myself... 00.14.48 # i want to have it alongside so i made a libvorbisbetaenc.so and oggbetaenc binary 00.15.03 # it was exciting but it worked in the end 00.15.10 # Ahhh 00.15.16 # be able to use both...I see 00.15.29 # i could have just installed it in another dir of course, but that's not fun 00.15.43 # and what good is it if it's not fun 00.15.43 # :) 00.15.54 # i also applide it to libvorbis 1.1.2 instead of 1.1.1 00.16.03 Quit Rincewind (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.16.03 # so we'll see how that goes 00.16.15 # one of the changes was already in that 00.16.28 # I am just amazed how much I am liking things at Q3 00.16.35 # certainly good enough for portable listening 00.16.47 # and get more bang for buck out of my Nano :) 00.16.57 # i transcode most things to ogg q3 for my nano 00.17.35 # if it's 192 mp3 or higher :) 00.18.31 Part Pi ("Kopete 0.10.4 : http://kopete.kde.org") 00.19.40 # well, this doesn't sound notably worse than the standard encoder 00.19.56 # but then, i don't hear any difference between flac, mp3 128kbps and ogg q3 00.20.07 # on this type of music 00.20.41 # I get wonderful bitrates on some of the mono classical albums ;) 00.20.46 # get descent earphones, those white Apple Earpud sucks :) 00.21.39 # I have Koss KSc-35's (best $10 I ever spent on headphones) and Shure E3cs I use with my Nano 00.21.43 # i usually listen while biking 00.21.50 # so it doesn't matter a lot 00.21.54 # http://www.magnuminmotion.com/essay%5Fchernobyl/ 00.22.20 # the koss are great...open enough to hear whats going on around you 00.22.53 # hm apparently the oggencoder does high cutoff at 17kHz 00.23.38 # how well does the "clamp onto ear"-system work? 00.23.40 # scottder: I love my KSC-35s 00.23.57 # I'm considering getting the ksc-75 but I'm not convinced it will be comfortable/secure 00.24.06 # --advanced-encode-option lowpass_frequency=6 sounds funny 00.24.10 # instant vinyl 00.24.56 # I can't stand any clamp-to-ear style earphones. They always drive me nuts 00.24.57 # are these ksc-35 similar to the koss porta pro? 00.25.04 # I believe same driver. 00.25.10 # my right ear doesn't like in-ear buds 00.25.13 # what dpassen1 said 00.25.20 # they always fall out 00.25.28 # you freak! :0 00.25.59 # nothing wrong with my left ear though 00.26.14 # I have the shure e3's and they work very well, but it's a bit tiresome having to plug them in 00.26.24 # I think the ksc-series would be great for biking 00.26.40 # It's a bit scary biking in the city without any sound too;) 00.26.47 # Rat Shacke had the KSC-75's on sale 00.26.53 # i can lower the volume by 10dB if i press the apple phones a bit more into my ear 00.27.04 # n 00.27.12 # the shure e3's isolate too much for biking 00.27.18 # I can't hear cars 00.27.19 # Oh yeah 00.27.27 # way too isolating... 00.27.34 # only for biking;) 00.27.38 # it's great otherwise 00.27.50 # I use KSC35's at work... 00.28.28 # scottder: how beta is this encoder? should i expect it to produce good streams always or be sort of careful? 00.29.58 # I haven't had an issue with it yet.... 00.30.01 # okay 00.30.06 # his "betas" are pretty solid 00.32.04 # This is gonna drive m nuts all night...typo in my wps...added an extra charcter.... 00.32.11 # and I am here till 2am 00.32.12 # :) 00.32.52 # do you have the text_editor installed? 00.33.02 # although i heard it had some problems editing wps files for some reason 00.33.29 # it works fine...there is just an "i" tacked on the begining of track titles :) 00.33.43 # heh 00.33.52 # if you give it a shot, make a copy of the wps first 00.34.54 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 00.36.33 Quit ender` (" Very few profundities can be expressed in less than 80 characters.") 00.37.01 Part RedBreva 00.37.16 Join Romanos [0] (n=Romanos_@host-84-9-153-143.bulldogdsl.com) 00.37.45 # * scottder grooves to new Tool 00.37.49 # it's been TOOO long 00.40.02 # ok, this is a nasty one.. I got different battery stamina indications in all 3 different firmwares. Apple, Rockbox and ipl.. Which one can i trust? Retail? 00.40.24 Join shrizza [0] (n=grimm@203-211-192-247.dynamic.tontonme.ne.jp) 00.41.26 # I've found them all to be very....general.... 00.41.43 # the apple one will be down one monute back up the next... 00.42.01 # the indicator will depend on load 00.42.08 # Hello. diskdump is giving me a "Bad boot sector signature" message. 00.42.33 # I'm trying to install onto a 4G iPod (grayscale). 00.42.36 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.42.37 # From OS X. 00.42.59 # also, why all my settings are reseting to default when i'm entering retail? 00.43.03 # Romanos: The truth is, you can't trust *any* of them. 00.43.09 # lol 00.43.17 # It's true. 00.43.17 # even the comppany's one? 00.43.20 # Yep 00.43.22 # If the music still plays, you still have battery :) 00.43.32 # Romanos: settings saving is sort of random on nanos, go to manage setings and write a .cfg and it should save the config block at the same time 00.43.46 # Mikachu: I think he's talking about Retail settings. 00.43.50 # yep 00.43.53 # ah 00.44.07 # i've already done the trick for rock ;) 00.44.09 # if you reset retail with menu+select it probably won't save 00.44.11 # And that I don't know. *Mine* doesn't reset (in Retail or in Rockbox) 00.44.20 # you probably have to wait 24 hours or something :) 00.44.28 # I think Retail has to run for a certain period of time before the settings are stored. 00.44.40 # right... 00.44.47 # it's possible it'll dump the settings if you write a { to /dev/sda1 and unplug the usb cable 00.44.48 # Though I *think* plugging in USB while in Retail might force it. Especially if you use iTunes to change a setting. 00.44.57 # sda2 00.44.57 # or just plugging the cable in 00.45.00 # sda1 00.45.06 # writing a { to sda2 would be very bad 00.45.16 # nay 00.45.23 # it would be so swell :) 00.45.36 # as long as its not your ipod i guses it doesn't matter 00.45.48 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.45.51 # how's the job going on , at the usb disk mode on nano? 00.46.10 # meaning, time lag between rockbox and retail 00.46.28 # /dev/sda2 then... 00.46.30 # any progress? 00.46.36 # Umm... Rockbox doesn't have ANY USB mode of its own. They're all Retail in some manner. 00.46.45 # Also, _Feature Freeze_ 00.46.48 # No iPod-specific work. 00.47.21 # damn 00.47.40 # * Mikachu wonders if all bugs will be resolved in 8 days 00.48.24 # There's probably not going to be a rockbox-native USB mode for a long while, I imagine. 00.48.44 # usb host support would be more fun 00.49.02 # well, of course 00.49.15 # but not too soon, though 00.49.21 # joypad controlling 00.49.26 # pls... 00.49.34 # (that was a joke probably) 00.49.37 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 00.50.25 # i already see those posts "I want to stick a 2000dpi mouse on rockbox. how does this work?" 00.50.43 # ??? 00.50.47 # it would be cool if it worked, but maybe not #1 priority 00.50.53 # Rockbox 11.5 Now with mind control support 00.50.54 # :) 00.50.57 # :P 00.51.02 # i don't see the benefits of native USB support 00.51.20 # over nothing? 00.51.20 # well.. will retail useless 00.51.38 # *will make 00.52.15 # well anyway i'm offline 00.52.18 # goodnight 00.52.23 # bluey^awy: If Rockbox didn't have to reboot into the hardware disk mode, it could improve performance in a few ways. 00.52.24 # bye 00.52.47 # in what way paul? 00.53.36 # i mean.. retail os is the base right now, and rockbox is running in top of it? 00.53.39 # right? 00.54.06 # Romanos: Well, for one, the Nano Disk Mode problem vanishes. For another, one can transfer files, then return to Rockbox to charge and play music without having to unplug the cable or touch the iPod. 00.54.24 # I have no idea what you mean by "base" or "running on top of" 00.54.55 # Rockbox is completely independent of the Retail OS. You can actually remove it without causing Rockbox any problems. 00.55.06 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 00.55.18 # like apple is the core and rockbox is on the top, it can't really act as apple os 00.55.33 # No. 00.55.35 # What gave you that idea? 00.55.51 # dunno.. i'm asking.. 00.56.07 # Well, you said you thought it was that way. I'm curious what led you to that. 00.57.02 # i thought that apple os is in a way "embedded" inside ipod and all other firmwares can just run on the top of it, deacreasing performance 00.57.03 # Right now there's a hardware bootloader. It loads whatever is in the firmware partition. Right now that's our bootloader, which then either goes on to load Rockbox, Apple, or Linux. Or whatever other program you've put there. It doesn't have to be any of those. I've had my iPod *just* have Rockbox in the boot partition. No Apple Retail OS in it at all. 00.57.42 # Romanos: See, that's a strange assumption. Again, I ask where you got that idea from. 00.57.51 # from linux.. 00.57.53 # :P 00.57.55 Quit goa ("Client suicide") 00.58.10 # From linux? What does that have to do with it? 00.58.13 # nonsense logic.. forget about it 00.58.21 # iPodLinux doesn't run on top of the Apple OS either. 00.59.09 # i'm just trying to understand if the native firmware, was spesifically designed for ipod 00.59.16 # It is. 00.59.37 # or just to bring jobs some easy money with itunes 00.59.51 # I don't really see the relationship between those two statement. 01.00.18 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 01.00.23 Quit Nebb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.00.46 # i'm trying to figure out, why apple didn't support flac, ogg gapless etc.. 01.00.57 # because they dont want 01.01.27 # they do not care to support a Codec which they can't control 01.01.33 # Romanos: That's about it. They simply chose not to. 01.02.13 # they support only MP3 because it is the standard and AAC because they make money with it 01.02.20 # simple as that 01.02.48 # ok :) 01.03.23 # i'm sure 01.03.33 # Apple would be the first one 01.04.09 # who would switch to Vorbis if it would be released under BSD and add there crappy DRM stuff 01.04.22 # as they do under OSX 01.04.31 Join spupek [0] (n=root@catv-5063759c.catv.broadband.hu) 01.04.39 # yeah but i mean support gapless? What's the wrong even with that? 01.04.40 # hi! 01.04.50 # i have problem!!can i ask? 01.05.04 # depends 01.05.09 # Yes, you can ask 01.05.15 # mhh gapless is only supported by lame not here own Encoder in itunes 01.05.22 # it can be all kinds of problems :P 01.05.23 # by there -here 01.05.30 # i own a h300, and i use rockbox 01.05.48 # Romanos: Yeah, Gapless support isn't as simply as it seems, and there's not a lot of market pressure for them to waste the time on it. 01.06.17 # Man. You gotta be kidding me; the installation is only for FAT32 formatted iPods? 01.06.45 Quit muesli- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.06.50 # shrizza: That's what it says. 01.07.04 # bluey^awy: libvorbis is, actually, licensed under BSD 01.07.49 # hm ok thought lgpl 01.08.37 # shrizza: FAT32 is a much more widely supported file system than HFS+... is it really a problem? 01.09.03 # Both should be supported because reformatting is a pain in the ass. 01.09.03 # some day it start make some strange noise, like if it cant read something. do it for some seconds and continue...then i try windows defragmenter, and it gave an error, that cant read a folder. i try norton symantec diskdoctor, but that was just can read something too.but i can read everything, with rockbox, or connected to pc. i dont know why cant read. and now i started the roiginal iriver fimrware, but it finds no music, says 0000folder an 01.09.03 # 0000 music files:(. what is wrong? maybe file system?or worse? what to odo?format? 01.09.33 # shrizza: So if Reformatting is more a pain in the ass than writing an HFS+ driver for Rockbox, go write the driver. 01.09.33 # why can't we use ntfs? 01.09.59 # Romanos: Because NTFS is even less widely supported, no MP3 players come natively in it anyway, and there aren't major benefits for a DAP using it either. 01.10.16 # Oh, right, and _proprietary_ 01.10.21 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 01.10.28 # can i install windows on a dap? loooooool 01.10.46 # now, my problem is upper, sorry for my english... 01.10.49 # spupek: you run chkdsk on it with the option ti check for bad sectors 01.11.15 Quit bluey^awy ("Leaving") 01.11.19 # windows dos or even 3.1 01.11.22 # oo, i wanna do, but dont know how, i try it now.thanx 01.11.59 # how to do that under linux? 01.12.01 # :) 01.12.03 # Romanos: I wan C=64 on my dap 01.12.04 # :) 01.12.48 # i think under linux the comand is fsck 01.13.00 # ok try 01.13.25 # with the option -c 01.13.40 Quit Sinbios (Connection timed out) 01.13.42 # Wait no... 01.13.43 # OS/2 01.13.44 # :) 01.14.12 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3561837.sympatico.ca) 01.15.54 # oo, fsck cant find fsck.vfat..cant check.. 01.15.55 # sh 01.16.11 # spupek: install dosfstools 01.16.42 Quit shrizza () 01.17.13 # ok, doing, thx 01.19.06 # "here are differences between boot sector and its backup." <-what's that mean? 01.19.17 # ) Copy original to backup 01.19.17 # 2) Copy backup to original 01.19.17 # 3) No action 01.19.19 # ? 01.19.43 # it means something is wrong, and either 1 or 2 might fix it 01.19.52 # backup?i guess 01.21.11 # copy original to backup, just leave everything like was, except that backup will change..hmmmm 01.21.24 # it is not possible to know which is the correct one 01.21.51 # yes.:( 01.23.59 # Differences: (offset:original/backup) 01.23.59 # 65:03/00 01.24.11 # ^^^or is that mean, that there is no backup? 01.25.27 # i don't know, i've never had this exact problem 01.29.25 # i left bootsector as it was, took no action, but repaired filesystem...now original firmware see the files:)thanx. may i search for bad sectors? 01.29.42 # that's probably not needed 01.30.47 Quit Romanos () 01.32.56 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.34.50 # hm, after disconnected and connected again same filesystem prob, according to dosfsck output.:| 01.39.59 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 01.57.11 # this "free cluster summary" always go back to wrong... 01.57.40 Join Pladask [0] (i=pladask@062016162198.customer.alfanett.no) 02.04.56 Join lamed [0] (n=d8ef3a88@labb.contactor.se) 02.05.41 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 02.06.23 Join lamed [0] (n=d8ef3a88@labb.contactor.se) 02.07.26 Quit lamed (Client Quit) 02.09.58 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 02.15.45 # or can it be a starting hardwar problem?:(, or just try to format? i am doing a bad sector check, and at some files(i havent try yet that at same files) reading is hard(?!), gives a sound repetedly liek move head in and out for some time, and continue. and report no problem 02.15.51 Quit stevenm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.17.15 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 02.20.22 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.20.36 Join Bram4 [0] (n=Bram4@195-146.0-85.cust.bluewin.ch) 02.25.32 Quit PaulJam (".") 02.27.31 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@pool-71-125-215-129.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 02.41.01 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 02.46.50 Quit Poka64 ("nite") 02.50.05 Join webguest91 [0] (n=c254e281@labb.contactor.se) 02.50.23 Quit Bram4 ("leaving") 02.51.56 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 02.53.12 Quit mikearthur ("Konversation terminated!") 03.00.04 Join KimHC [0] (i=jkoio@218.49.52.82) 03.00.50 Quit webguest91 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.04.49 # :-) 03.06.04 # 8-] 03.12.40 # ^^ 03.13.59 Join trink [0] (n=tharg@tor/session/external/x-445be05baaef9f5e) 03.15.52 # i'm bored to death 03.17.05 Quit KimHC ("Http://www.ZeroIRC.NET ¢Æ Zero IRC ¢Æ Ver 2.9b") 03.17.34 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-46.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.23.27 Quit Daishi (Remote closed the connection) 03.29.26 Part Paul_The_Nerd 03.30.00 Join SantosClaus [0] (n=Jeremy@69.49.157.228) 03.32.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.42.22 Part SantosClaus 03.45.53 Quit synth7 ("RANDOM NUMBER GENERATION IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BE LEFT TO CHANCE") 03.46.20 # http://www.gizmodo.com/gadgets/laptops/thermal-greasy-apple-sics-lawyers-on-something-awful-171394.php <-- Apple in "Bunch of Assholes" SHOCKER! 03.48.23 # steve jobs has a really small dick 03.55.19 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 03.58.08 # Nah....border lawyers always come up with this shit 03.58.17 # bullshit = billable hours 03.58.17 # :) 03.59.44 # it is apple what would you expect? 04.00.54 # it's any big company really 04.01.09 # exactly 04.01.29 # as long as Steve Jobs doesn;t start complaining about being rich like Bill Gates 04.02.06 # just Apple has gotten good at shooting themselves in the foot is all 04.07.31 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.07.41 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 04.09.01 # i think people generally lose sight of the function of Apple Inc as an american business 04.09.35 # (A) sell stuff (B) take in more money than is spent 04.09.58 # and the ignored point (C) 04.10.04 # (C) cover your ass 04.10.14 # my guess involved the word "ass" 04.10.24 # heh 04.11.33 # whoa 04.11.43 # i thought of a fun tool idea 04.11.46 # BLUEBOX 04.12.13 # how retro would that be? DTMF dialer tool 04.12.32 # or if you have a microphone capability, a tool that listens for tones and tells you the DTMF number 04.12.40 # like a decoder 04.12.40 # should be pretty simple i think, there's already a square wave generator in rockbox 04.12.53 # maybe dtmf aren't square waves though 04.13.01 # should be pretty simple in either case 04.13.03 # they're a matrix of multiple tones 04.13.14 # two for each button? 04.13.18 # yep 04.13.25 # there's service tones that use one or three 04.13.33 # and i'm not sure about non-US tones 04.13.48 # i'm hoping it's a standard 04.14.04 # you can find it documented in ma bell manuals from the 70's 04.14.10 # i haven't used a normal phone in ages though 04.14.20 # cell phone? 04.14.22 # cell phones don't usually make those sounds 04.14.34 # ah 04.14.56 # well having contact information and going up to a POTS phone, hold your pda up to it, it dials your friend's number 04.15.10 # would be pretty silly to encode the digital number as an analog signal, then convert that to gsm and send it 04.15.13 # that was a real nice feature when phones accepted DTMF tones 04.15.32 # ah, yes 04.15.41 # but to accept dtmf tones, that is a useful feature 04.16.05 # swedish phone numbers are usually 6 digits, 9 with area code 04.16.17 Join synth7 [0] (i=jerk@69-164-39-165.atlaga.adelphia.net) 04.16.30 # pfft who cares about swedish phone #'s ? :) 04.16.34 # swedes 04.16.39 # such as myself 04.16.55 # j/k :) 04.17.27 # wikipedia has a brief explanation of the tones for dtmf, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DTMF 04.17.48 # you can almost play twinkle² little star on a dial pad i think 04.18.37 # sure 04.18.52 # it's sort of a funny scale though :) 04.19.14 # you can tune a guitar or other instrument that has an open A note 04.19.19 # the dialtone is A440 04.20.01 # yeah i know 04.22.59 # the bit about 'A' 'B' 'C' and 'D' tones are interesting 04.23.23 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 04.33.11 Quit Fitzsimmons (Remote closed the connection) 04.33.30 Join Fitzsimmons [0] (n=Fitzsimm@HSE-Montreal-ppp3469390.sympatico.ca) 04.35.31 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 04.35.58 Quit rob- (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.43.49 Quit Genre9mp3 ("Leaving") 04.47.20 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.52.53 Quit Fitzsimmons (Remote closed the connection) 04.53.05 Join Fitzsimmons [0] (n=Fitzsimm@HSE-Montreal-ppp3469390.sympatico.ca) 04.54.45 Quit TCK (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 05.01.12 Join jagsUT [0] (i=jags@brobin10.res.utk.edu) 05.01.18 # hello 05.01.41 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACB52C41.ipt.aol.com) 05.02.11 Quit trink ("Disconnecting") 05.03.18 Quit jagsUT (Client Quit) 05.04.31 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.19.32 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.23.14 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.23.14 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 05.24.26 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 05.27.01 # haha, a bluebox plugin for rockbox! 05.32.59 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.33.19 Join DraX [0] (n=alex@c029h217.dorm.reed.edu) 05.35.22 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.50.20 # plugins/capt_crunch 05.50.20 # :) 05.55.52 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 05.57.31 # ahah 05.57.55 Part DraX 06.09.10 Quit synth7 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 06.10.43 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 06.21.27 # Anybody using recent 4G builds? 06.21.29 # (grey) 06.28.26 Quit YouCeyE ("Leaving") 06.55.08 # Guess not. 06.57.20 Join synth7 [0] (i=jerk@69-164-39-165.atlaga.adelphia.net) 06.57.37 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@Kingston-HSE-ppp3561837.sympatico.ca) 07.00.40 Join webguest51 [0] (n=42c37602@labb.contactor.se) 07.02.14 # does anyone know where i might find hacked/opensource firmware that would allow my Creative Zen Touch to play FLAC/Ogg Vorbis? 07.02.31 # www.google.com? 07.02.34 # it'd be all over the place if it existed, i'd imagine.. 07.02.49 # yeah thats what i figured 07.03.10 # i looked on google, but its turning out to be not so easy to find 07.03.23 # are you sure it exists? 07.03.32 # zen touch is not so new, so im actually surprised no ones hacked it yet 07.03.36 # no im not sure at all 07.03.37 # webguest51, because it doesn't exist. you're not going to find it if it's not on the first page of results, and that'd be if you hadn't heard of it already, which would be impossible. 07.04.01 # it's not like somewhere on page 400 you'll stumble across a single page containing hacked firmware that merely plays flac/ogg. 07.04.15 # lol yeah i know 07.04.47 # well i figured it was worth an ask... thank you 07.05.24 # rockbox might end up on it at some point.. 07.05.51 # but why the zen, when there are other, better players? 07.05.54 # don't get your hopes up for "soon" or even "eventually".. it's a possibility, but i don't think anything is being worked on right now. 07.06.09 # scorche, why not the zen? it's newer than the archoses.. 07.06.16 # probably around as old as the h100s. 07.06.39 # yeah i would have gotten something from cowon 07.06.58 # but i got this for real cheap through my school bookstore 07.07.19 # i needed a quick fix when my old karma died 07.08.14 # its i nice player, i just dont like supporting WMA so much now that so much DRM stuff is being pushed on it 07.08.45 # (and flac sounds better) anyway, thanks a lot, peace 07.08.57 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 07.09.16 Quit webguest51 ("CGI:IRC") 07.17.17 Quit rotator ("zzzzzzzzz") 07.20.37 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.8.39) 07.21.40 # hello 07.23.12 Quit Jungti1234 (Client Quit) 07.33.03 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 07.45.34 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 07.48.41 Join RedBreva [0] (n=chatzill@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 07.52.30 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 07.55.32 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 08.00.09 Join flynux [0] (i=zsp2n0x@cl-8.bru-01.be.sixxs.net) 08.04.50 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 08.32.28 # dongs 08.33.16 # dwihno \o/ 08.45.10 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 08.58.29 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 09.03.20 Join stevenm [0] (n=stevenm@infranelson.student.umd.edu) 09.11.52 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 09.12.35 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-087-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.15.31 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 09.19.33 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 09.20.41 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.22.25 # woops. lousy button code 09.25.00 Join marc_in_lux [0] (n=gergesm@cable-83.217.130.243.coditel.net) 09.25.41 Quit marc_in_lux (Client Quit) 09.29.02 Quit hardeep ("[BX] The birds kept calling his name, thought Caw") 09.29.24 # this is why you code first, drink later =) 09.33.06 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.35.33 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.37.26 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-125.VIC.netspace.net.au) 09.37.30 Join qwm [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 09.41.56 # only linux "coders" drink. 09.41.56 # fact. 09.42.18 # because windows programmers are busy getting paid for their work 09.43.12 # i'd have to disagree 09.43.32 # i'd say there's probably a decent percentage of coders in both realms who drink while coding 09.43.47 # its just windows programmers to numb the pain and shame of what they do 09.43.58 # and linux programmers to have an extra good time 09.47.33 # um, right. 09.50.23 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p5496553A.dip.t-dialin.net) 09.50.54 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-21-252.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.51.24 Quit qwx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.51.34 # hehe 09.52.18 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-130-218.pools.arcor-ip.net) 09.54.21 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 09.55.26 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 09.56.19 Join opus [0] (n=589bcd05@labb.contactor.se) 09.59.10 # dongs: Why is it you feel the need to sit in here and insult linux and linux users frequently? 09.59.57 # because it's a troll 10.00.25 # i have a problem with recording through H300,while playing the stuff i've recorded,i hear a "skip" for some sec.(like ffw'ing a cassette )anyone got an idea ? 10.00.38 # i'm surprised no one has banned him yet 10.00.56 # this shit happens on iriver firmware and rockbox as well 10.01.38 # on both? weird. 10.01.58 # opus: If it happens on both, maybe your HD is having issues, and it's taking longer to write to it than it should. How often do the skips happen? 10.02.11 # opus: does it skip if you play the recorded file on a PC? 10.02.16 # every 2-2.5 mintues 10.02.19 # yes it does 10.02.27 # i mean, i wouldn't be surprised if there's an issue with rockbox's recording buffering code, but having the same issue on the iriver firmware sounds more like a hardware issue 10.02.34 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 10.03.16 # maybe i have to turn AGC off?or it doesn't matter? 10.03.28 # i thought agc is analog 10.03.33 # I thought you said that you have the same recording problems in iRiver. 10.03.34 # autoamtic adjustment of recording level 10.03.39 # sholdnt ahve any effecto n anyhithing 10.03.56 # yes,but there is a option for it on iriver firmware as well 10.04.22 # opus: I think it's most likely a hardware problem. 10.04.49 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.04.51 # what might be injured? 10.04.59 # Dunno. 10.05.12 # But if it happens in the retail firmware and Rockbox, it's unlikely to be a software problem. 10.06.24 # by the way,it takes PLENTY of time saving a recorded file even a short one,is this normal? 10.06.54 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.07.27 # "plenty" doesn't actually tell me anything. 10.07.48 # Though I wouldn't be able to do anything with it even if you used more descriptive words. 10.07.57 Quit Acksaw ("I'm off, see ya later!") 10.08.14 # I don't use my player for recording, so words such as 'oodles' and 'gobs' or maybe even '5 minutes for a 12 meg file' wouldn't do me much good. 10.08.44 # But if it's taking longer than it seems like it should, that seems to reinforce the "bad disk" theorem. 10.09.06 # As well, recording wav, it should flush to disk every 2-2.5 minutes (that's 20-25 mb of WAV, right?) 10.09.38 # sorry..about a three mintues for a piece of 2 mintues,recording in mp3(128k) 10.10.11 # Rockbox doesn't record in MP3. 10.10.52 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 10.10.58 # i didn't say anything about rockbox,i am talking about the retail firmware 10.11.24 # that's why it seems to be a little strange 10.11.44 # Well, you're in the Rockbox channel 10.11.51 # If you don't specify, it's going to be assumed you're talking about Rockbox. 10.15.43 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 10.15.58 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3067.gwdg.de) 10.20.09 # If the firmware is generating skips every 2.5 minutes with 128kbps MP3, and Rockbox does it every 2.5 minutes with WAV, you've basically eliminated likelihood of it being anything but bad input. Either bad port, bad cable, bad source. At least, it should be flushing to disk every 2.5 minutes with MP3, unless they just felt like doing so. 10.23.40 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.24.00 # ok,i will try to check those things,thanks anyway,and sorry for the inconvenience 10.24.03 Quit qwm (Nick collision from services.) 10.24.11 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.24.30 # no, we're glad to help as long as your support request makes sense. 10.24.43 # have you tried googling for your problem to see if other users had similar experience? 10.26.17 # have you pt your files on a PC to see if it's a playback problem pf the player? 10.26.17 # i know that someone at misticriver's forums has asked similar qes.(about the skiping that occured)however no one has responded 10.26.22 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 10.26.27 # of* 10.27.28 # And does the skip in rockboxcome when you playback the file recorded with orig FW? 10.27.39 # Or when you record with rb and play it back? 10.27.46 # no,i'm still hearing those skipping,you see it's not only the sound,but it actually skips some parts 10.28.46 # so the recording process is eroneous (or however it is spelled) 10.28.50 # +r ;) 10.29.05 # ? 10.29.18 # yeah,kinda 10.29.35 # tried recording with rb? 10.30.13 # yes indeed,and there is cases when it's not even playing the file,or playing it up to a certain point 10.30.17 # or try recorindg to WAV and encoding later 10.30.45 # maybe the player treis to encode on the fly, and can't quite cope with it 10.30.49 # tries* 10.30.56 # Kohlrabi: Rockbox doesn't encode on the fly. 10.31.01 # ah, OK 10.31.03 # Rockbox doesn't even encode while recording. 10.31.12 # guessed so, OK :\ 10.31.25 # Should be HW-problem then 10.31.39 # I'm still pretty surprised the gaps occur at equalish intervals in the retail MP3 recordings and the Rockbox WAV recordings. 10.32.23 # That strongly suggests to me that the problem happens before the audio data gets to whatever firmware is running at the time. 10.32.45 # problem with int.mic itself? 10.32.55 # maybe 10.33.01 # tried ext-mic? 10.33.30 # not yet 10.33.47 # or line in? 10.33.57 # if that's sipported 10.35.00 # goddamit my typing sucks 10.35.04 # *breakfast* 10.35.09 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 10.36.27 Quit opus ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 10.36.31 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 10.39.12 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 10.48.58 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 10.57.34 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 11.00.13 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.02.17 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 11.04.26 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 11.04.39 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 11.06.08 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 11.06.37 Join powr-toc [0] (n=r@84-51-129-124.rickmo645.adsl.metronet.co.uk) 11.07.07 Nick bluey- is now known as bluey^awy (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-087-177.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.10.47 Part Paul_The_Nerd 11.12.35 Quit stevenm ("Connection reset by beer") 11.17.58 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 11.20.00 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 11.20.52 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 11.24.34 # i guess, my dap's head going bad..:( return to iriver? 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12.21.58 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 12.22.22 # I think you just move the cursor one notch below the bottom line of the block of characters, and that will put the cursor on the line 12.28.01 # Thanks.. 12.29.08 # is there a hotkey for the uisimulator to reload the wps? 12.31.32 # no, just browse themes and select it again.. 12.31.39 # make a theme .cfg if you haven't, of course 12.32.15 # ok, thank you 12.35.19 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 12.40.41 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.43.04 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-80-191.tn.glocalnet.net) 12.50.57 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 12.51.06 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-154-121.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.52.01 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-91-23.tn.glocalnet.net) 12.53.55 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 12.57.38 Quit spupek ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 12.57.54 Quit dj-fu (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.01.15 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.06.58 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-89-150-179.ubs.qsi.net.nz) 13.09.26 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.09.36 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-8-89.tn.glocalnet.net) 13.09.52 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Yngwiejo@dsl-88-218-17-158.customers.vivodi.gr) 13.12.33 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.14.03 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 13.16.37 Quit darkless (Client Quit) 13.28.18 Join darkless [0] (n=darkless@62.79.44.48.adsl.vby.tiscali.dk) 13.33.10 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.35.10 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@p54A457E2.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.40.50 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m43.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 13.40.51 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.47.36 Nick DrMoos is now known as Moos (i=DrMoos@m43.net81-66-159.noos.fr) 13.49.31 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.02.10 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 14.06.08 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 14.07.37 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.07.40 Quit MarcoPolo ("Bye !") 14.13.46 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 14.18.01 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.21.48 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 14.22.01 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 14.25.34 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 14.30.42 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-88-81.tn.glocalnet.net) 14.38.49 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@pool-71-125-203-245.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 14.41.15 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.42.47 Quit dpro (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.43.40 Join dsh-1 [0] (n=daishi@pool-71-125-201-84.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 14.48.34 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-179-76-84.dsl.pipex.com) 14.50.53 Quit lee-qid__ ("Trillian (http://www.ceruleanstudios.com") 14.53.17 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 14.53.29 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3034.gwdg.de) 14.58.55 Join spupek [0] (n=root@catv-5063759c.catv.broadband.hu) 14.59.58 Quit Daishi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.04.50 # can someone tell me, why original firmware lost option changes? is there any connection between this and that hdd's bootsector and its backup not same(reported by dosfsck) 15.05.23 # lost option changes? 15.05.51 # yes, when i start, everything goes back to default 15.05.52 # on an iriver unit, afaik, the data is stored in flash memory, so a filesystem checker shouldn't have destroyed them 15.06.19 # i guess, in the boot sector iriverstores some data 15.08.19 # i have to correct, just look after: only goes back to default, when dosfsck repair filesystem errors..:$ 15.09.06 # and it made changes on hdd 15.10.11 Join zigford [0] (n=jesse@c220-239-79-205.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) 15.10.27 Join sensei73 [0] (i=test@ita73-1-82-239-28-131.fbx.proxad.net) 15.10.33 Quit JdGordon (Remote closed the connection) 15.10.39 # hi there 15.11.07 # mybe this is the main problem?: 15.11.08 # There are differences between boot sector and its backup. 15.11.08 # Differences: (offset:original/backup) 15.11.08 DBUG Enqueued KICK spupek 15.11.08 # 65:03/00 15.11.46 Quit Seed (Nick collision from services.) 15.11.54 Join Seed [0] (i=ben@85-64-200-85.barak-online.net) 15.14.07 # if i leave intact, than dosfsck says: Free cluster summary wrong. 15.14.55 # is there a way to install rockbox easily on an ipdo nano? 15.14.56 # and if i choose to repair this cluster issue, then original firmware options goes back to default 15.16.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodInstallation , i dont know, but see that 15.17.27 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 15.18.16 # sensei73: Nothing in life is easy 15.18.25 # thanks! a lot! 15.20.22 # sensei73: sorry, its my bed time. toodles 15.22.17 Quit spupek ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 15.22.30 Join spupek [0] (n=root@catv-5063759c.catv.broadband.hu) 15.25.31 Quit synth7 ("RANDOM NUMBER GENERATION IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BE LEFT TO CHANCE") 15.25.56 Join synth7 [0] (i=jerk@69-164-39-165.atlaga.adelphia.net) 15.26.24 Quit synth7 (Client Quit) 15.26.46 Join synth7 [0] (i=jerk@69-164-39-165.atlaga.adelphia.net) 15.27.50 Quit zigford ("Toodles...") 15.30.34 # Ok mental blank... to create a patch (in Cygwin) 15.30.35 # I am at rockbox-devel folder, and have changed manual/rockbox-interface/main.tex... 15.30.37 # So what's wrong with cvs diff -ub manual/rockbox-interface/main.tex > kbrd.patch 15.30.38 # ?? 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Ignore me!! 15.33.16 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.33.22 # use tabcomplete for the win 15.33.28 # rockbox_interface!!! 15.33.42 # fraggsta: using an unpatched source? 15.33.54 # lo 15.33.55 # lol 15.34.01 # someone has a nano here? 15.34.10 # Badger: No, I applied one patch. It doesn't seem to be anything to do with that though. 15.34.29 # hey everyone... 15.34.31 # http://pastebin.com/703449 - there's the error 15.34.53 # so I blame the patch 15.35.00 # yeps 15.35.03 # iram is full 15.35.13 # you need to move something out of iram to link 15.35.33 # possibly it is a gcc4 problem 15.35.40 # we don't recommend gcc4 for m68k 15.35.54 # Should I try again with GCC 3.x? 15.36.33 # gcc 3.4X is the best choice for m68k Rockbox builds 15.36.37 # 3.4.x 15.37.02 # ok, well it'll be a pain to compile them again but..meh, I'll watch TV or something 15.38.02 # that's why our instructions says you should use 3.4.X 15.38.07 # you decideed to not follow it 15.38.29 # that said, its it _sure_ your problem is because of this 15.38.32 # is not sure 15.38.37 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 15.38.37 # * Bagder can't type 15.38.50 # did they? fuck :/ 15.41.28 Quit spupek ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 15.42.04 # if it builds fine without your applied patch, I would rather suspect the patch 15.42.41 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 15.46.45 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953d5.pool.mediaWays.net) 15.46.56 # sensei73, I have a nano here, if you are still wondering something 15.49.14 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@60.50.210.177) 15.53.31 Quit Genre9mp3 ("Leaving") 15.56.12 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 15.58.00 # thanks 15.58.08 # i succefully install rockbox on it 15.58.19 # i just wondering if there more themes 15.58.20 # oh, cool. enjoy :) 15.58.29 # you can make your own or check the WpsGallery 15.58.44 # I personally use zezayer, it doesn't have a Peak Meter (less cpu cycles) and is generally informative 15.58.47 # not good at it :( 15.58.59 # ok i will chek it 15.59.18 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@c211059.adsl.hansenet.de) 15.59.31 # sensei73: There are a few that have been tested here : http://rockbox-themes.redbreva.com/Theme_176x132x16.html 16.02.19 # re 16.02.32 # i think the sound are a lot more louder!!! 16.02.42 # tahn the original firmware 16.03.38 # I did my first reality check last night dj'ing with 2 ipods and rb and I noticed _lots_ of dropouts when playing at other than original speed 16.05.50 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.06.57 Join DarkJesus [0] (n=shane@cpc1-gree2-0-0-cust487.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 16.08.00 # you were using rb to dj? 16.08.29 # You were using IPODS to DJ?! 16.12.48 # wow 16.12.50 # :p 16.12.54 # lol 16.13.12 # did the box rock? ;-) 16.14.33 Join gvoc [0] (n=523559eb@labb.contactor.se) 16.15.43 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.17.04 Quit Moos (Connection timed out) 16.18.31 Quit gvoc (Client Quit) 16.23.34 Quit DarkJesus ("Leaving") 16.24.28 # yup it was fin and it rocked .. but I really should look at the playbacksystem to understand and change it ... 16.24.46 Join DarkJesus [0] (n=shane@cpc1-gree2-0-0-cust487.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 16.25.28 # up to now I mostly hacked on the pitch interface to make it a bit more userfriendly 16.25.38 # or make that a 16.25.41 # * dpro friendly 16.25.59 # Someone say DJ 16.26.25 # It doesn't translate well for STUPID Americans. IE: 90% of them. 16.28.34 # wait, this isn't the right channel at all :/ 16.28.37 Join pussfeller [0] (n=todd@166-82-183-46.quickclick.ctc.net) 16.31.24 Quit synth7 ("RANDOM NUMBER GENERATION IS TOO IMPORTANT TO BE LEFT TO CHANCE") 16.31.38 Join synth7 [0] (i=jerk@69-164-39-165.atlaga.adelphia.net) 16.32.02 Quit powr-toc ("Leaving") 16.36.19 # Hmmmm. An XScale board and thttpd ported to Rockbox would be interesting. 16.38.57 Quit DarkJesus ("Leaving") 16.39.38 Join dsforsaken [0] (i=dsforsak@74.12.0.190) 16.39.41 # hi 16.40.03 # i have a couple quesitons... 16.40.29 # if i install rockbox could i still sync with itunes? 16.42.48 # no 16.42.52 # itunes is the devil 16.42.56 # you can sync with ctrl+c ctrl+v. 16.44.03 # also thoe whole reason i am switching to rockbox is because my menu button on my mini doesnt work, i was wondering if rockbox lets your remap the keys? 16.44.16 # so that mabe i can make rewind key act like the menu button? 16.44.23 # yes..but probably you will have to compile the rockbox again 16.45.46 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-107-212.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.46.10 # dam... 16.46.13 # the X5 doc PDF tells me that rockbox can't provide a premade image, but the iaudioboot page just tells me to dump the image from the page into the FIRMWARE directory and shut down, which is right? 16.46.21 # can ipod linux remap keys? 16.46.39 Quit sensei73 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.47.32 # im getting a lot of lockups on my photo ipod using recent cvs's 16.47.45 # is there anyway to track down what causes them 16.47.58 # they happen on pause, and while playing 16.49.57 Quit dsforsaken () 16.50.08 Quit fraggsta ("Ex-Chat") 16.50.20 Join dsforsaken [0] (i=dsforsak@74.12.0.190) 16.51.25 Quit muesli__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.51.26 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 16.51.52 # Not directly relevant to rockbox, but interesting all the same: http://linux-karma.sourceforge.net/lkarmafs.html 16.52.12 # Looks like it mounts the Karma (database-based music player) as a file system, translating the database into a directory structure. 17.00.09 Join fraggsta [0] (n=jrw6@82-32-117-167.cable.ubr03.hawk.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.00.22 Nick dsh-1 is now known as Daishi (n=daishi@pool-71-125-201-84.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 17.00.46 # I have an..umm..slight problem with x5 installation. 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20.36.51 # +of 20.37.55 # i also tried it with some older builds of rockbox, but still the same 20.38.09 # but i haven't tried it with bleeding edge build yet 20.38.34 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-44-251.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 20.40.29 # Tyron: strange, try holding MENU down while it's booting 20.40.52 # that will get me to the old firmware right? 20.41.05 Quit theli_ua ("ðÏËÉÄÁÀ") 20.41.58 # well 20.42.07 # it boots the original apple firmware 20.42.13 # what now? 20.42.56 # err 20.43.03 # I meant, while rockbox is starting 20.43.19 # didn't mean to hold it while the bootloader is listening to keypresses for an OS choice 20.43.28 # oh, ok 20.43.33 # sorry 20.44.50 # hm ok 20.45.00 # now it seems to be loaded correctly 20.46.43 # whee, i'll better get that manual ^^ 20.47.08 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 20.48.40 # so, does that mean that i have to press menu everytime i start my ipod? :/ 20.52.38 # wth 20.53.32 # you might be able to find a setting... 20.53.34 # to disable diskmode 20.53.43 # * BHSPitLappy doesn't know rockbox well enough 20.54.29 # fuck 20.54.37 # now i rebooted it 20.54.44 # anyone here have an example file with album art embedded in the tags that crashes tag cache? 20.54.53 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.55.05 # this time even pressing menu doesn't work :/ 21.03.08 # great. 21.09.11 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 21.09.39 # is it a bug or a feature that there is no crossfade if you skip to the next track when the track is not in the buffer 21.09.57 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.10.15 # pixelma: Wanna test something? 21.10.30 # I made a build that might fix the occasional freezes on Ondio 21.11.04 # If we are lucky it's just a DMA priority issue... 21.11.31 # PaulJam: You can't say that it's a feature... 21.12.37 # PaulJam: I think crossfading in that situation might delay the trackchange so much that the user might think he didn't press skip... 21.17.29 # ok, thank you 21.17.48 Quit PaulJam (".") 21.22.36 Join cv [0] (n=hpet@p549809BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.22.46 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.23.13 # hi...i've a problem with my river h120: i installed rockbox and updated the database, and now rockbox hangs...is there any possibility to reboot the player? 21.23.30 # Else i've to wait until the battery is empty... 21.23.55 # cv: use a pin to press the reset button at the bottom of the player 21.24.05 Quit SereR0KR ("XChat Aqua") 21.25.00 # hardeep: thank you! 21.25.12 # amiconn: sure 21.25.15 # now i've the original firmware back? 21.25.44 # amiconn: can I download the build? 21.25.45 # pixelma: http//amiconn.dyndns.org/rockbox-ondiofm.zip 21.26.03 # cv: you need to hold rec button as system is booting to boot the original firmware 21.26.25 # if you want to remove rockbox altogether, you can find instructions on the rockbox web page 21.26.26 # hardeep: ok...so i can not destory the original firmware? 21.27.17 # cv: no, the rockbox bootloader you installed contains the original firmware and you can always boot into it by holding the rec button 21.29.59 # hardeep: thats fine....thank you!! 21.32.59 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@218.111.174.56) 21.33.26 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.36.55 Quit cv () 21.49.13 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.05 Join cv [0] (n=hpet@p549809BB.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 21.50.19 # hi...does anybody know how to install the rockcalendar? 22.03.23 # does anybody know how to install the rockcalendar? 22.04.33 # what's the point of reasking the question if nobody has joined and there has been no conversation since the last time? 22.06.43 # what's the point of reasking the question if nobody has joined and there has been no conversation since the last time? 22.07.12 # * amiconn gets the impression someone is bored 22.07.27 # =) 22.08.27 # perhaps someone else can answer? 22.10.40 # Well, rockcalendar only exists as a patch. You need to compile a patched version of rockbox yourself 22.11.02 Join xopha12 [0] (n=iain@88-105-205-29.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.11.36 # btw, why isnt the patch added to rockbox? noone got the time or something else 22.11.55 # topic 22.12.06 # It has bugs, which were reported to the author 22.12.24 # I tried it a few times, then gave up 22.12.45 # ah ok 22.14.09 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 22.15.34 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 22.18.05 Quit Tyron (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.25.30 Join Pi [0] (n=Pi@80-41-249-78.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 22.26.07 # does anyone know of a bootloader for the ipod that supports the multiboot specification? 22.26.07 Quit Rick (Remote closed the connection) 22.26.32 Quit qwm (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.31.00 Join DarkPope [0] (n=shane@cpc1-gree2-0-0-cust487.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 22.31.17 Quit DarkJesus (Nick collision from services.) 22.31.23 Nick DarkPope is now known as DarkJesus (n=shane@cpc1-gree2-0-0-cust487.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 22.31.43 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.32.09 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.35.47 Quit Hansmaulwurf ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 3.81 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.38.56 # xopha12, sure, iPodLinux's loader. 22.40.33 # Afaik the rockbox bootloader can also boot ipl 22.40.40 Quit muesli__ ("ich will Kühe!!!") 22.40.45 # what is the "multiboot specification"? 22.42.09 Quit DarkJesus ("Leaving") 22.42.50 # i took that to mean "specification of what you want to boot", like a menu.. 22.43.11 # rockbox's loader can boot iPL, yeah, but not via a menu, just a button. 22.44.00 # it sounded like some sort of standard 22.44.17 # maybe http://www.gnu.org/software/grub/manual/multiboot/ 22.45.16 # Hanging build, grmpf! 22.45.20 # Bagder? 22.46.17 # * Bagder checks 22.47.35 Quit cv () 22.48.01 # It seems the build system doesn't like my commits... 22.48.33 # Bagder: The '127.0.0.1' build server has a rather old m68k-elf-gcc (3.4.1) 22.49.19 # is there any known problems with that? 22.49.33 # yes, i did mean the multiboot spec as in grub 22.49.45 # the iPL bootloader doesnt support it 22.49.55 # amiconn: that's what all the cvs builds were built with until we went distributed 22.50.04 # amiconn: i don't think there are any issues 22.50.07 # Bagder: Not that I know of, but there must be a reason why the gcc team published newer 3.4.x 22.51.23 # I know that not all build servers use the newest-in series compilers (some use 3.4.5 or 3.4.4 for m68k, and 4.0.2 for arm) but that 3.4.1 is a bit old imho... 22.52.12 Join linuxstb__ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 22.52.46 # well, just because it feel old isn't really a strong reason to upgrade imho 22.53.05 Quit linuxstb_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.53.12 # and I think this version is on more servers than just this 22.53.45 # wow, last night i kept thinking that i had only written three pages, even when i was at the end of page four. i just realized that now... 22.54.46 # Bagder, preglow: On a related issue, do you think it is safe to use the modified m68k-elf-gcc on amd64 for distributed builds? 22.55.08 # if it builds fine binaries, I say go 22.55.31 # well, I think it does 22.55.48 # but it might explode in our faces for all i know, i don't really understand gcc code 22.56.50 # hmm... how can i finish up an essay on the plague? 22.57.42 Part xopha12 22.58.21 # by writing it 22.58.33 # yeah, i'm not quite there. 22.59.11 # don't ask me, i'm just crazy with happiness i don't need to write any essays 22.59.22 # :D 23.01.11 Quit RedBreva_ ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.12") 23.02.24 Join RedBreva [0] (n=mark@host81-158-212-229.range81-158.btcentralplus.com) 23.02.57 # Bagder: Ok, you can add my server as being capable of m68k builds 23.03.03 # ok 23.04.25 Nick qwx is now known as qwm (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 23.05.44 Quit JoeBorn ("Leaving") 23.05.46 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@adsl-75-3-44-251.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 23.07.55 Quit fraggsta ("Ex-Chat") 23.09.39 # anyone wish to critize my conclusion? :) 23.11.47 Join DarkJesus [0] (n=shane@cpc1-gree2-0-0-cust487.brnt.cable.ntl.com) 23.13.16 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-219-190.worldnet.co.nz) 23.16.17 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.16.29 Nick linuxstb_ is now known as linuxstb (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.17.04 Join zigford [0] (n=jesse@c220-239-79-205.rochd3.qld.optusnet.com.au) 23.25.13 Quit Ribs ("Leaving") 23.27.05 Quit dpro (Connection timed out) 23.27.30 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 23.30.25 # Bagder: Builds are binary identical between amd64 and x86 linux (apart from the build time string of course) 23.30.39 # Build is still hanging, btw... 23.30.52 # no 23.31.06 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-11-116.tn.glocalnet.net) 23.31.09 # whenever a hanf occurs and I kill it, it looks like this until the next build starts 23.31.16 # Ah ok 23.31.17 # s/hanf/hang 23.31.36 Quit linuxstb__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.31.43 # because it never get to do the final "redraw" since I killed it 23.32.43 # Hehe 'Hanf' (german) == hemp 23.32.53 # :-) 23.33.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.35.43 # Did you find out why builds hang from time totime? 23.36.53 # no 23.37.06 # it looks like one of the builds never completes 23.37.25 # but I don't know if that is truly what happens or if something just makes it look like it 23.37.55 # I want it fixed by simply killing builds that that more than N seconds 23.38.07 # Which build? Is it the same build server everytime? 23.38.39 # I haven't checked recently but I saw more than one server 23.38.55 # Maybe ssh hangs. Do you know a way to detect this? 23.39.21 Part Pi 23.39.24 # well, a ssh hang would cause this effect 23.39.33 # and no, the script doesn't detect it 23.40.27 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 23.40.53 # Is it possible to get an older build than the one listed on the daily builds page? 23.41.09 # no 23.43.21 # RoC_MM: if you compile it yourself 23.43.31 # mmm 23.43.37 # how do I grab and old build? 23.44.09 # cvs update -D "date" 23.44.23 Quit petur () 23.45.32 # awesome 23.45.37 # thanks :-) 23.45.46 # how do I specify what server? 23.46.04 Join muesli__ [0] (n=muesli_t@88.134.20.76) 23.46.39 # wait I can answer that. 23.46.40 # NM. 23.48.31 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 23.48.50 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.52.46 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m75.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 23.53.47 Join qwx [0] (n=qwm@h147n2fls32o1010.telia.com) 23.53.55 Quit ender` (" I'm a complex person. I have a real and an imaginary part.") 23.54.16 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-33-188.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.57.48 Quit linuxstb (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.58.08 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@i-83-67-212-170.freedom2surf.net) 23.58.22 Join meph [0] (n=meph@88-96-110-54.dsl.zen.co.uk) 23.58.44 # gordon bennet i like rockbox!