--- Log for 13.05.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 18 days ago 00.01.18 Join akaidiot [0] (i=not@t2o75p67.telia.com) 00.01.20 # midkay: will you be working on the viewer this weekend? 00.02.26 Join akaidiota [0] (i=not@t7o75p68.telia.com) 00.11.54 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 00.12.30 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@HSE-Toronto-ppp302071.sympatico.ca) 00.12.56 Quit xmixahlx ("blah blah blah") 00.13.08 Join Falco98 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) 00.14.03 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 00.14.10 # hey all 00.14.53 # "Jeanny, quit living on dreams.." 00.14.59 # Hi Falco :) 00.15.01 # wow it's tomorrow already.. 00.15.21 # can anyone tell me the future? :-P 00.20.39 Join wes [0] (n=wes@pool-151-204-76-192.delv.east.verizon.net) 00.21.13 # Can someone tell me if the rockbox should work on a 10gb grayscale ipod? I'm not looking for guarantees, just suggestions 00.21.34 # On the website I only saw the 4gb grayscale mentioned, but I could have been looking in the wrong place 00.22.18 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 00.23.39 # the g is from generation, not GB 00.23.44 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.23.52 # so it's 4g not 4gb 00.24.08 Join akaidiot [0] (i=not@t6o75p116.telia.com) 00.25.30 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.34.24 # wes: what ipod? 00.34.38 # saying it's grayscale is not enough to identify what type it is 00.34.50 # if it's 10gb it sounds like it's a 3g or earlier 00.34.55 # in which case, no, not supported 00.35.12 # hmm... How can I tell by looking at it preglow? It's right here in front of me 00.36.01 # don't the ipl have a page how to recognize your model? 00.36.18 # ipl? 00.36.56 # http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 00.37.24 # Someone pleeze change this 1g / 2g etc stuff. It seems to confuse people a lot 00.37.45 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-40-44.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 00.37.47 # * petur goes wiki 00.37.58 # change it to what? 00.38.06 # front page says gen, not g 00.38.13 # yes 00.38.20 # oh, ipl=ipodlinux. I found it. They say its 2nd generation 00.38.43 # yeah, I thought some of the g's were gb's 00.39.23 # Either 1st gen, 2nd gen, or, if that's too long, switch order: g1, g2 ... 00.39.37 # markun, yes, most likely, why? 00.40.05 # wes: then no 00.40.14 # wes: no support yet, we don't have a developer with one of those 00.40.18 # weird, really... 00.40.26 # Might be especially confusing for mini, since (afaik) there's a 2GB model, but that would be a 1st gen... 00.40.28 # preglow: ok, thanks. I'll check back every once and a while 00.40.40 # I mean I'll check back on the website 00.40.56 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC") 00.41.34 # ...and 4GB minis were confused with the 4th gen ipod... 00.43.43 Join andy__ [0] (n=51e2f433@labb.contactor.se) 00.44.17 # i'm working on getting recording to work on the x5.. no luck so far 00.44.52 # but it should be pretty close now :) 00.45.26 Part [2112] 00.49.11 # shouldn't be too hard? 00.49.20 # most code is shared with iriver, afaik 00.50.23 # (1) You need to know the iis channel for analog recording 00.50.39 # (2) You need code to set the tlv320 into recording mode 00.52.03 # sure 00.53.10 # it's a bit of trial and error.. but since the x5 uses iis1 for playback (while iriver uses iis2), the x5 should be using iis3 for recording 00.53.14 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.53.41 # It could as well use iis1 or iis4 00.53.46 # yeah 00.54.09 # it could also be wired to iis1 but then there would be no feedback of the recording i guess 00.54.10 # There is nothing that forbids using iis1 full duplex 00.54.31 # aha.. 00.55.39 Nick slimeball is now known as _slimeball (i=jew@12.164.197.88) 00.56.02 Nick _slimeball is now known as slimeball (i=jew@12.164.197.88) 00.56.07 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.57.16 # andy__: what feedback on the recording? on iriver this is done through the mixer of the UDA, not output by the coldfire (don't know what spdif does tho) 00.57.38 # petur: It is no longer done by the UDA mixer... 00.57.45 # petur: the digital data passes the cpu back to the uda while recording 00.58.12 # also when using analog source? 00.58.28 # yes 00.58.41 # didn't know you changed that too 00.58.42 # Since yesterday :) 00.58.50 # naughty boy 01.01.39 # hm.. has anyone time to take a look at the tlv320 sheet.. i can't fint the magic switch to enable the adc to send i2s data.. there is just like a power-on for adc and line/mic, and some input selection and volume.. 01.02.24 Join [TCK] [0] (i=TCK@81-178-126-89.dsl.pipex.com) 01.02.26 # Yes, you somehow need to tell the tlv to be the iis clock master 01.03.17 # aha.. the master flag 01.04.22 # register 7 01.04.35 # yep.. bit 6 01.04.59 # amiconn: your change switches off monitoring when going to the recording menu 01.05.08 # yes 01.05.19 # At least if you have voice enabled 01.06.12 # because there's no code to mix voice into the monitor I guess 01.07.09 # The monitor signal is now routed through the coldfire audio interface, as digital signal. There's no provision for mixing 01.07.34 # The inability to mix in voice is a drawback, I realised that today 01.07.39 # so there goes the voicing of the recording screen... 01.07.58 # Hmm. 01.08.05 # At least it's consistent 01.08.23 # ..and in fact, that's not correct 01.08.35 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 01.08.42 # We could still voice the recording screen, interrupting the monitoring signal during voice 01.08.56 # ah yes 01.09.06 # switch, not mix 01.09.13 # That's why we neeeed a proper driver for the coldfire audio interface 01.09.52 # The current code is messy, and will e.g. mess up monitoring when the voice is still babbling while entering the recording screen 01.10.43 # There are some reasons why I think the new way of monitoring is better: (1) It's consistent between analog and spdif recording 01.11.13 # (2) We need an SCLK source for monitoring analog in via spdif out anyway 01.11.50 # (3) You can hear the digital distortion in the monitor signal if your recording level is too high 01.12.55 # * petur uses cliplight for that :) 01.13.14 # Do you _hear_ the light? ;-) 01.13.23 # "Color sound" 01.13.32 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-179.kotinet.com) 01.13.45 # why has no one created a visualizer for rockbox? 01.13.47 # WHY GOD WHY 01.13.54 # most gigs I record are quite loud so monitoring is useless anyway :) 01.13.58 # kibble: plugins -> oscilloscope 01.14.06 # thats not very effective 01.14.10 # you have to go find it and run it 01.14.32 # its time to impliment milkdrop and run automatically after 15 secodns 01.14.41 # that would be nice 01.14.50 # * Mikachu wakes up 01.15.13 Quit Poka64 ("time for some sleep") 01.15.54 Join anathema [0] (n=3efe2012@labb.contactor.se) 01.19.57 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.20.37 # TCK? FROM OCREMIX OMFG 01.20.48 # lolrofl 01.20.49 # him too? 01.20.51 # wes: A hint how to find which iis input is connected to the tlv: Add a debug menu item that measures all 3 input clocks sequencially (via the freqmeas circuit), and then try setting the tlv to clock master. 01.20.54 # lmfaoinggng 01.21.04 # One of the 3 iis clock inputs should show a clock... 01.21.04 # kibble: i checked my log, you were kicked 21 times from #ocremix in it 01.21.13 # 21 thousand times? 01.21.35 # you would think so, but no 01.21.43 # I recently owned a bunch of ocremix faggots 01.21.56 # there we go again 01.22.33 # http://forum.unmod.org/viewtopic.php?t=146 01.23.01 # (15:43:16) * zircon was kicked by double7 (You're a tool. A Tool. Another Victory for BS Inc.) 01.23.04 # (15:43:16) <@JtDL> Connection problems? 01.23.06 # (15:43:19) <@JtDL> wtf 01.23.09 # (15:43:19) * TCK was kicked by double7 (Get out Spie. Another Victory for BS Inc.) 01.23.11 # (15:43:21) <@pixietricks|sustenance> either those above two options, or you can just go to www.vgdj.net and save the mp3's 01.23.14 # (15:43:23) * djpretzel was kicked by double7 (Your website sucks a lot more now. How did you manage that?. Another Victory for BS Inc.) 01.23.16 # (15:43:25) * Inanna was kicked by double7 (Every try to actually secure etg? I'll buy you a manual sometime. Another Victory for BS Inc.) 01.23.25 # kibble: stop that please 01.23.45 # or else what, you'll use your glower power? 01.23.55 # kibble: he didn't say or what 01.24.01 # he even said please 01.24.04 # no else, I just ask politely 01.24.13 # the feeble inaction of a rnd fgt 01.24.33 # god, i love you 01.24.50 # WHY GOD WHY 01.24.55 # faggot, remember 01.24.58 # i assume you're one too 01.25.03 # check out my recent work 01.25.07 # hell no 01.25.09 # http://www.bs-inc.org 01.25.19 # good stuff 01.26.33 # wasting time on games huh? 01.26.55 # shut uastsep fag who wastes time on irc 01.27.37 # yeah, he's the one wasting it taking over channels 01.28.28 # Bagder's company 'thing' is taking long :\ 01.28.43 # midkay: saw someone complainging about the missing bookmark feature and was hoping you would fix it :) 01.28.58 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.29.07 # Bagder: i'm planning to nag him until more people gets ops 01.29.20 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 01.29.34 # amiconn: i'm looking at the original firmware to see how they do it 01.29.43 # perhaps i should just start in his absence 01.30.49 # 'lo rockbox peoples... 01.32.07 # preglow, do you have any idea whether the AGC patch and the recent SPIDF code are compatible? 01.32.08 # shut the fuck up prefag 01.32.20 # urggh 01.32.22 # Davide-NYC: none at all 01.32.26 # Davide-NYC: and ignore the troll 01.32.31 # shut the fuck up prefag 01.32.33 # will do 01.32.50 # Shut the fuck up David-Caused-911-NYC 01.32.55 # haven't even looked at the patch 01.33.08 # does it make sense to have Gain control on optical input? 01.33.14 # no fag 01.33.14 # nope, not for me 01.33.22 # Davide-NYC: the patch still works for analog recording 01.33.39 # don't know if it applies cleanly 01.33.55 # I can make you a new one if there are troubles 01.34.06 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.34.09 # make me a new what? 01.34.16 # patch 01.34.18 # build? 01.34.32 # ah you need a compiled build 01.34.46 # OK, I'll compile a build from bleeding edge, applying the ACG patch and report back 01.35.02 # I've only done this once so wish nme luck (haha) 01.35.31 # (sound of newbie diving into cygwin) 01.35.33 # grep 01.35.36 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.35.46 # echo too 01.35.50 # so preglow, how goes the developing? 01.35.59 # shut up sharpfag 01.36.06 # petur, what does echo too mean 01.36.16 # sharpe, ignore the troll 01.36.25 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.36.26 # why dont you ignore the troll, davidfag 01.36.27 # the troll keeps repeating the same shit 01.36.33 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.36.34 # what troll? i just see someone crying for attention. 01.36.39 # see 01.36.45 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.36.50 # anyway, anyone think i should work on the c64 emulator sometime? 01.36.53 # I understand 01.36.53 DBUG Enqueued KICK kibble 01.36.53 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.36.56 # back soon 01.36.59 # c64 had no good games 01.37.01 # work on nes 01.37.18 # and video 01.37.28 Join gasg [0] (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4013433.sympatico.ca) 01.37.34 Quit Sinbios (Nick collision from services.) 01.37.36 Nick gasg is now known as Sinbios (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4013433.sympatico.ca) 01.37.39 Quit cismo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.37.58 # sharpe: not too fast, doing other work now 01.38.15 # be sure the code starts with if(user != kibble) { /* do great video stuff */ ... 01.38.35 # heh... 01.38.43 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.38.48 # that's a bot 01.38.55 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.38.56 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.38.56 *** Alert Mode level 1 01.38.56 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.38.57 *** Alert Mode level 2 01.38.57 *** Alert Mode level 3 01.38.57 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.38.57 *** Alert Mode level 4 01.38.57 *** Alert Mode level 5 01.38.57 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.38.57 *** Alert Mode level 6 01.38.57 *** Alert Mode level 7 01.38.57 # sure are a lot of fags in here 01.39.00 # question: cvs -z3 -d:pserver:anonymous@rockbox.haxx.se:/cvsroot/rockbox co rockbox-devel 01.39.08 # nope, otherwise he wouldn't spite you like that. 01.39.10 # gets me the bleeding edge source, right? 01.39.11 # didn't know there existed trollbots :) 01.39.19 # Davide-NYC sure is an idiot 01.39.36 # it's easy to confuse him for a bot 01.39.40 # true. 01.39.56 # please answer my newbie dolt question 01.40.12 # wiki? 01.40.12 # when will rockbox work for neo? 01.40.20 # right petur 01.40.21 # petur: well, they do, at least equivalents of trollbots 01.40.28 # petur: lots of them born every day 01.40.48 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-64-154.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 01.41.54 # this guy seems to have rotten playing StarCraft! :P 01.42.05 # english idiot? 01.42.12 # http://www.bs-inc.org 01.44.19 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.44.20 # no, he's just an idiot 01.44.20 # while the entire RB souce is DLing may I ask what the -z3 switch does in CVS? 01.44.23 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.44.35 # compression, if i remember correctly... 01.44.42 # zlib idiot 01.46.57 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 01.46.57 # * petur reads the acceptable use policy of cox.net :D 01.47.03 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.04 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.04 *** Alert Mode level 8 01.47.04 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.04 *** Alert Mode level 9 01.47.04 *** Alert Mode level 10 01.47.04 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.05 *** Alert Mode level 11 01.47.05 *** Alert Mode level 12 01.47.05 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.07 *** Alert Mode level 13 01.47.07 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.09 *** Alert Mode level 14 01.47.09 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.11 *** Alert Mode level 15 01.47.11 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.13 *** Alert Mode level 16 01.47.13 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.15 *** Alert Mode level 17 01.47.15 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.17 *** Alert Mode level 18 01.47.17 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.19 *** Alert Mode level 19 01.47.19 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.22 *** Alert Mode level 20 01.47.22 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.23 *** Alert Mode level 21 01.47.23 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.25 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.25 # i must admit, he is skilled with the pasting. 01.47.27 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.29 *** Alert Mode level 22 01.47.29 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.31 *** Alert Mode level 23 01.47.31 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.32 # does anyone know if rec_agc_33.patch is the latest version? 01.47.32 # where is bagder when you need him? 01.47.33 *** Alert Mode level 24 01.47.33 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.35 *** Alert Mode level 25 01.47.35 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.37 *** Alert Mode level 26 01.47.37 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.39 *** Alert Mode level 27 01.47.39 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.41 *** Alert Mode level 28 01.47.41 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.43 *** Alert Mode level 29 01.47.43 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.45 *** Alert Mode level 30 01.47.45 # sure are a lot of fags who suck at english in here 01.47.57 # hes right here idiot 01.48.01 # are you BLIND? 01.48.31 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 01.48.41 # looks like you faggots are starving for sc logs. 01.48.43 # [20:40:45] Entering channel: Brood War CAN-1 01.48.45 # [20:40:47] Entering channel: fag 01.48.47 # [20:40:51] < - 01.48.50 # ]> if you're rndly in west, let me know 01.48.52 # [20:41:01] we always do west, anything else is rnd 01.48.55 # [20:41:10] Your friend Digital_Coma entered a Starcraft Broodwar game called 7v1 join. 01.48.57 # [20:41:15] Entering game: 7v1 join 01.49.00 *** Alert Mode level 31 01.49.00 # Map name: Fatet Poible Map Ever 01.49.02 # [20:41:20] Protricity: got the wc2 ost? 01.49.05 # [20:41:23] Digital_Coma: wait this is the shitty version 01.49.07 # [20:41:24] Digital_Coma: rm 01.49.10 # [20:41:30] Entering channel: fag 01.49.12 # [20:42:00] Your friend Digital_Coma entered a Starcraft Broodwar game called 7v1 join. 01.49.15 # [20:42:02] Entering game: 7v1 join 01.49.17 *** Alert Mode level 32 01.49.17 # Map name: Fatet Poible Map Ever V2 01.49.18 Join quux [0] (n=bryan@pdpc/supporter/sustaining/quuxo) 01.49.20 # [20:42:07] Digital_Coma: no 01.49.22 # [20:42:10] Protricity: want? 01.49.25 # [20:42:12] Protricity: its good stuff 01.49.27 # Please just go play starcarft. Isn't there a ladder to join? 01.49.27 # [20:42:12] Digital_Coma: k 01.49.30 # [20:42:15] Protricity: used to listen all the time] 01.49.32 # [20:42:18] Protricity: then sc came out 01.49.36 # [20:42:21] Digital_Coma: send 01.49.38 # [20:42:22] Protricity: and I threw away my wc2 cd 01.49.40 # [20:42:27] thkthkthkthkthk: go 01.49.42 # [20:42:28] thkthkthkthkthk: already 01.49.46 # [20:42:29] Digital_Coma: HEYFAG, shut up fag. 01.49.48 # [20:42:33] Digital_Coma: rofl two bsees 01.49.49 # I've not used /ignore for a good few years :) 01.49.52 # [20:42:38] thkthkthkthkthk: go 01.49.54 # [20:42:38] HEYFAG-X2: your the fag 01.49.58 # [20:42:40] HEYFAG-X2: not me 01.50.00 # [20:42:44] Digital_Coma: shut up fag 01.50.04 # [20:42:49] Playing game... 01.50.06 # Players: Protricity (Protoss, purple), Digital_Coma (Zerg, teal), david7 (Protoss, red), Baelrog Brood (Zerg, white), I_OWN_U_BIATCH (Protoss, orange), HEYFAG-X2 (Terran, brown), T.A.N.K. (Protoss, blue), thkthkthkthkthk (Terran, yellow) 01.50.09 # * linuxstb_ hugs /ignore 01.50.12 # [20:43:02] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: teams? 01.50.14 # [20:43:05] Digital_Coma: 7v1 n00b 01.50.16 # [20:43:08] Digital_Coma: you bsing? 01.50.18 # [20:43:18] Protricity: for some reason 01.50.22 # yeah a must let me see. 01.50.22 # [20:43:24] Protricity: this version isnt the exact ost 01.50.24 # [20:43:24] HEYFAG-X2: \everyone 01.50.26 # thank you nudelyn! 01.50.28 # [20:43:26] Protricity: not sure why 01.50.30 # [20:43:27] HEYFAG-X2: bsing? 01.50.32 # [20:43:28] Digital_Coma: some fag is lag 01.50.36 # [20:43:30] HEYFAG-X2: lol``? 01.50.40 # [20:43:35] Digital_Coma: hey fag 01.50.42 # [20:43:37] Protricity: gotta find the real ost 01.50.46 # [20:43:38] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: wtf? 01.50.48 # [20:43:38] Digital_Coma: shut up heyfag 01.50.50 # [20:43:40] Protricity: this is one of the shitty versions 01.50.52 # [20:43:43] Digital_Coma: pwnt 01.50.56 # [20:43:44] Protricity: like ps1 or bnet 01.50.58 # [20:43:45] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: stop calling peiople fags 01.51.02 # [20:43:49] Protricity: shut up fag 01.51.04 # [20:43:53] Digital_Coma: sure thing faggot 01.51.06 # [20:44:01] Digital_Coma: what's with the lag 01.51.08 # [20:44:04] Digital_Coma: who's lag hacking? 01.51.12 # [20:44:15] Digital_Coma: nigger brown bsing 01.51.14 # [20:44:19] Digital_Coma: sucks :( 01.51.17 # kibble: Hi, I'm pm'ing you ... 01.51.20 # [20:44:23] Protricity: 01.51.22 # I_OWN_U_BIATCH: Im going to kill everyone. 01.51.24 # [20:44:24] HEYFAG-X2: why? 01.51.26 # [20:44:26] Digital_Coma: WTF 01.51.30 # [20:44:27] HEYFAG-X2: ill die? 01.51.32 # [20:44:27] Digital_Coma: LOOK 01.51.36 # [20:44:32] Digital_Coma: WTF 01.51.38 # [20:44:44] Digital_Coma: OJ GONNA S 01.51.42 # [20:44:48] Digital_Coma: BROWN UNALLIED 01.51.44 # [20:44:58] HEYFAG-X2: i never allied 01.51.48 # [20:45:02] HEYFAG-X2: so i never unallied 01.51.50 # [20:45:02] Digital_Coma: yes you did n00b 01.51.54 # [20:45:04] Digital_Coma: then you unallied 01.51.55 # hmm... there are many feature requests for the same thing... 01.51.56 # [20:45:06] Digital_Coma: so shut up 01.51.58 # [20:45:11] Protricity: 01.52.00 # I_OWN_U_BIATCH: FUCK YOU ALL HAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA 01.52.06 # [20:45:11] HEYFAG-X2: i never unallied 01.52.10 # [20:45:13] HEYFAG-X2: u idiot 01.52.14 # [20:45:15] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: wtf 01.52.16 # [20:45:16] Digital_Coma: shut up moron 01.52.18 # [20:45:17] Digital_Coma: orange bsing 01.52.20 # [20:45:23] Protricity: orange you fucker 01.52.24 # [20:45:24] HEYFAG-X2: yellow 01.52.26 # [20:45:24] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: wtf? 01.52.30 # [20:45:27] HEYFAG-X2: they all unallied me 01.52.32 # [20:45:40] Protricity: damnit orange is ruining the game 01.52.34 # [20:45:53] Protricity: omfg 01.52.36 # [20:45:56] Digital_Coma: rofl 01.52.40 # [20:46:01] Protricity: WHAT THE FUCK IS BROWN DOING 01.52.42 # [20:46:05] Digital_Coma: yellow and brown team bsing 01.52.46 # [20:46:17] Digital_Coma: lmfao 01.52.48 # [20:46:22] Digital_Coma: brown is going to build in yellow's nbase 01.52.52 # [20:46:35] Protricity: brown you fucker 01.52.54 # [20:46:44] Digital_Coma: rofl brown left his whoel base 01.52.56 # [20:46:51] Digital_Coma: gj fellow bser 01.52.58 # [20:40:45] Entering channel: Brood War CAN-1 01.53.00 # [20:47:01] Digital_Coma: rofl brownh acking 01.53.02 # [20:46:49] I_OWN_U_BIATCH: lol 01.53.04 # [20:46:48] Digital_Coma: and is taking over yellow 01.53.06 # [20:40:47] Entering channel: fag 01.53.07 Quit kibble (Excess Flood) 01.54.13 # at last 01.54.34 # * petur just sent a mail to abuse@cox.net with detailed logging and user ip address 01.54.41 # Looked like some kind of repeater script ... anyone got log of the beginning of this little hooha? 01.54.51 # petur: you can send his name and address too if you want 01.54.55 # the whole channel is logged 01.55.14 # too late - mail is gone 01.55.26 # they'll find him, no worry 01.55.33 # I have received some errors whil trying to apply ACG patch 01.55.45 # It's probably me, but one never knows 01.55.57 # will update the patch, one moment 01.56.23 # (sweet) 01.56.26 # quux: he just decided to paste a logfile before i messaged you, he was only being generally annoying before that 01.56.30 Quit damaki_ (Connection timed out) 01.56.38 Join JoeyBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-2-245-164.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 01.56.39 # ahhh, ok 01.59.16 Join rob [0] (i=Robert@freenode/staff/ubuntu.member.rob) 01.59.18 *** Alert Mode OFF 02.00.12 # Davide-NYC: new patch added at the bottom 02.00.29 # that was fast! I try it now 02.03.06 # wtf...kibble's still here? 02.03.20 # nope... 02.04.20 Quit petur ("'night all") 02.04.59 # isn't he? 02.05.01 # excellent 02.05.15 # Excess flood, heh 02.05.34 # surprise 02.05.35 # hahaha 02.05.44 # i wonder if that was his ddos attempt...? 02.05.45 # anywho 02.05.46 # bedtime 02.05.47 # :) 02.05.47 # night all 02.07.47 Quit anathema ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.09.09 # amiconn: could you pls help clear something minor up? what's the limitation that prevents 48kHz analog recording? (I don't care, but I've got people asking me) 02.09.56 # We would need a different audio clock that's simply not available 02.10.16 # peeps, what does this mean: Reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R? [n] ? 02.10.29 # when trying to apply a patch 02.10.45 # (feel free to point me to documentation_ 02.11.03 # amiconn: thanks. so does that mean 96kHz isn't possible for optical recording too? just 88.2? 02.11.11 # Nope 02.11.19 # Optical can use any sample rate 02.11.34 # ..since that is clocked from the spdif input signal 02.11.48 # Davide-NYC: it means that either the patch is already applied, or you applied another patch that did the same thing, or the patch is already (partly) in cvs 02.12.07 # amiconn: aaaah...ok. thanks. 02.12.25 # shit, how do I jump back to a clean CVS snapshot and start from scratch? 02.12.56 # (or just point me to Docs and I'll go read some) 02.14.22 # deleted everything and al starting over. 02.14.32 # ignore my pleading 02.14.46 # thanks 02.14.51 Quit JoeBorn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.15.06 # There's some clever command sequence for diffing against cvs and then applying that diff in reverse, but I always foret that sequence... 02.15.16 # *forget 02.15.40 Nick JoeyBorn is now known as JoeBorn (n=rootmeis@adsl-75-2-245-164.dsl.chcgil.sbcglobal.net) 02.15.41 Quit wes (Remote closed the connection) 02.15.49 # Hey (while I wait for CVS DL again) is anyone familiar with a good short CVS tutorial? 02.15.53 Join Inc [0] (i=xsst4@arcane/developer/inc) 02.16.00 # Iguess something like 02.16.11 # cvs diff -u | patch -p0 -R 02.16.45 # I'm in desperate need of a good Tut... what does the -u switch do? 02.16.57 # unified diff 02.17.05 # yeah, I need to read 02.17.13 # hehe 02.17.30 # hmm 02.17.34 # i've another idea 02.17.49 Part quux ("..fadeout") 02.17.55 # The -u is probably unnecessary in that sequence, but I always use unidiffs as I think they're easier to read 02.18.01 # porting nethack to rockbox :) 02.19.20 # you are assuming a level of basic knowledge I do not have 02.19.37 # hmmm... 02.20.07 # I will return in a few days with the requisite knowledge in head, for now I follow the simplified guide to applying patches and pay attention to the results when recording 02.20.15 # :-) 02.20.28 # I'm compiling now and it's fascinating 02.20.53 # http://www.math.grin.edu/~stone/courses/artificial-intelligence/OpenSourceDevWithCVS_2E.pdf 02.22.11 # thanks! although I was hoping for something much smaller 02.22.18 # 368 pages! 02.23.12 # http://www.ucolick.org/~de/CVSbeginner.html 02.23.16 # that's better 02.30.17 # AGC patch seems to apply just fine. 02.30.35 # tested it on the unit using the internal mic 02.30.45 # will test optical tonight 02.31.07 # question: why is the AGC not commited? 02.31.15 # answer: feature freeze 02.31.20 # ah 02.31.21 # thanks 02.31.57 # for my purposes AGC is essential. Thanks to anyone that had hands in/on it. And everyone else here for that matter. 02.31.59 # good night 02.32.22 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 02.34.11 # for some reason I boot into rockbox but can't seem to get back into ipod firmware 02.34.45 Join webguest40 [0] (n=51400b8c@labb.contactor.se) 02.37.13 # what 02.37.23 # you have to be quick 02.37.27 # after reset keep pressing menu button 02.40.14 Quit webguest40 ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 02.40.41 # I see 02.40.48 # and how to I get ahold of the menu? 02.40.51 # like the games in rockbox? 02.41.48 # because 02.41.53 # all I see on the list is 02.41.58 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-34-254.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 02.41.59 # notes photos 02.42.11 # contacts and calaenders 02.42.55 Quit andy__ ("CGI:IRC") 02.45.00 # ? 02.45.02 # anyone? 02.47.09 # Press the menu button... 02.49.14 Quit pixelma (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Chicks dig it") 02.49.56 # where's the game menu then? 02.50.12 # Browse Plugins 02.50.59 # ok 02.51.08 Part rob ("Leaving") 02.51.14 # thanks 02.54.45 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 03.02.24 # no 03.02.50 # menu as in the menu button 03.02.50 # yea 03.02.50 # what he said. 03.03.03 Quit Mikachu (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.03.14 Quit dwihno (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 03.05.51 # oh shit. that's right. I forgot to put the doom wad in 03.05.52 # hah 03.08.10 Join dwihno [0] (n=dw@81.8.226.44) 03.12.10 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-120-75.VIC.netspace.net.au) 03.12.14 # [19:54] * petur just sent a mail to abuse@cox.net with detailed logging and user ip address 03.12.23 # hahahah what a moron 03.13.55 Join Mikachu [0] (i=Mikachu@kr-lun-154-152-233-83.3.cust.bredband2.com) 03.13.59 # someone is flooding my irrelevant irc channel.. WHY COX WHY 03.16.03 Join lookup [0] (n=aoweigja@c-68-45-79-127.hsd1.nj.comcast.net) 03.16.58 # i need help! i just used the battery plug-in for my ipod (on rockbox of course) and now i can't get out of the battery plugin. any thing that i could do? 03.17.15 # which battery plugin? 03.17.20 # Try pressing MENU and SELECT at the same time. 03.17.35 # ok thanks 03.17.38 # that did it 03.17.47 # i feel dumb :-( 03.17.50 # shut up 03.18.02 # that battery plugin really should have a warning screen or something :) 03.18.14 # Please do not feed the troll. 03.18.20 # nah it's alright. 03.18.23 # * linuxstb_ hugs /ignore again 03.18.26 # it was my mistake 03.19.43 # cassandra wanna fuck? 03.19.52 # ok thanks again 03.19.54 Quit lookup (Client Quit) 03.20.05 # Oh my, I'm so offended. 03.20.53 # way to feed 03.21.05 # you sure suck at this 03.21.10 # go back to slashdot 03.21.26 # Well, that's me told. 03.21.29 # just a random stream of nonsense... 03.21.55 # I'm just fascinated to see how long he can keep it up for. 03.22.11 # It's kind of like an IQ test. 03.23.03 # no point in wasting pwnt on tweedle dee and tweedle dum 03.23.53 # Did that make any sense even in Idiot? 03.23.57 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-41-205.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 03.24.18 # I hold down the center key 03.24.23 # and the menu key but nothing happens 03.25.08 # You're still stuck in the plugin? 03.25.54 Join djparrot [0] (n=djpirate@ip72-192-230-83.dc.dc.cox.net) 03.26.16 # iffy 03.26.26 # nvm 03.26.27 Part Inc 03.26.28 # good riddance 03.27.08 # it's kind of funny that iffy is a word... 03.27.58 # no, it's really not interesting at all. try again 03.28.30 # i'm hurt. 03.29.20 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 03.36.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.38.16 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC") 03.38.46 Quit mirak (Remote closed the connection) 03.45.10 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.46.00 Join sockerteze [0] (n=sockerte@pool-72-64-42-135.nrflva.east.verizon.net) 03.46.02 # speak now sockerteze or forever hold your fag 03.48.28 Quit hardeep ("[BX] Hey baby, come sit on my lap. We'll talk about whatever pops up.") 03.48.56 # huh 03.50.44 # sockerteze: don't mind the troll 03.50.57 # alright 03.51.38 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 03.51.42 # I can smell RoC_MM from here 03.51.55 # i must be famous 03.53.09 # you probably just smell 03.54.01 # smell of famous 03.54.29 # smell of irr 03.55.42 # what builds are we running folks? 03.56.44 # I use the new 5/3 build for my iPod 4G Grey. I like that the battery indicator is working now. It makes me very happy. 04.08.48 # I like the new disk activity icon for the default theme too. 04.12.11 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 04.17.26 Join Davide-NYC [0] (n=chatzill@user-12hdtm5.cable.mindspring.com) 04.17.28 # I think I bsed Davide-NYC once 04.21.23 # hello all, I just patched the bleeding edge with the AGC patch and the Radio frq patch no problem 04.21.37 # target = H120 04.22.07 # I took a look inside the histogram patch and modified some of the paths to be more general 04.22.35 # i.e. /apps/etc --> apps/etc 04.23.06 # tried to apply it I got a bunch of error messages. Anyone wanna help a semi-idiot apply this patch? 04.23.12 # :-) 04.23.22 Join webguest47 [0] (n=c92a289f@labb.contactor.se) 04.23.25 # I bet webguest47 hacked vgmix 04.23.40 # djparrot are you trolling? 04.23.41 Quit webguest47 (Client Quit) 04.23.56 # are you a bot? 04.24.39 # no devs online? 04.24.43 # :-( 04.30.41 Quit sockerteze ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 04.41.32 # no one cares 04.45.03 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 04.45.34 # digital_coma, what are you referring to? 04.46.50 # think for a second 04.47.42 # let me guess, no one cares about the histogram patch 04.48.06 # 'case it's just eye-candy and it's for a dying target 04.48.32 # Did I win? 04.49.16 # think again 04.49.25 # personal?> 04.50.00 # nope 04.50.06 # then I don;t get it 04.50.07 Quit scott666 (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 04.50.18 # exactly 04.50.22 # no one cares about what.... 04.50.43 # learn to read 04.50.45 # If it's not personal, and it's not the patch itself then what 04.50.58 # Oh I see RTFM 04.51.02 # OK 04.51.31 # thanks a bunch, I'll contribute what I can when I can 04.51.38 # I don't got time to fuck around. 04.51.50 # this is really hard for you isn't it 04.52.01 # sure is 04.52.04 # no training 04.52.48 # yep, take Relevance 201 04.54.55 # too cryptic for me, I'm not trolling I'm not being abusive (I don't think) and I'm trying to get somewhere. What's the problem? Is there an IRC FAQ I missed? 04.55.16 # Davide-NYC, you're cool.. Digital_Coma's the prob 04.55.35 # gotcha 04.55.36 # rofl trying so hard to fit in 04.55.40 # too easy 04.55.46 # waves and waves of trolls today, haven't seen any for months and all of a sudden here we are 04.55.57 # I'm ignoring now 04.56.05 # good idea. 04.56.11 # midkay, thanks for the information. i'll make sure the wave rises 04.56.13 # thanks midkay, I thought he was actually trying to tell me something I missed 04.56.23 # rooofl 04.56.25 # Digital_Coma, no prob, do your worst :) 04.56.47 # Davide-NYC, generally, people in here are very helpful, not a good day to ask, though, apparently.. 04.56.59 # lack of devs + presence of idiots.. 04.57.14 # I noticed, but on the flipside there has been a lot of positive progress (for my target at least) in the last 48 hours 04.57.31 # what targets do you care about? 04.57.37 # Digital_Coma shut the fuck up 04.57.46 # Davide-NYC, cool, which is yours? i've got an archos recorder and an ipod 5g. 04.57.48 # fuck you djparrot 04.58.20 # ooo iPod 5G is nice! I'm an iriver H1xx guy, love the recording features 04.58.24 # Digital_Coma, nice fake-argument.. logging in with two clients on the same machine is reaaaally convincing. 04.58.31 # np 04.58.34 # that's my main reason for being all into RB. 04.58.42 # Davide-NYC, ah, the last few days have been a jackpot for you, then :) 04.59.33 # haha same IP 04.59.46 # yeah, quite a clever guy, really. 04.59.49 # hysterical, even I can see that one and I know nothing 04.59.57 # lol 05.00.00 # it's more than enough 05.00.13 # what sort of genius would think to run TWO clients at ONCE on ONE machine? it's mind-blowing. 05.00.27 # that's not funny 05.00.44 # i fail. :( 05.00.52 # yep it would have to be on one machine, for some random and unbased reason 05.01.12 # hey midkay, since the IPs are the same and the nicks could change, is it possible to ignore the IP? 05.01.13 Join Rob2222 [0] (n=Miranda@ACD07E86.ipt.aol.com) 05.01.14 # unbased? that's not a word. 05.01.16 # Rob2222 added to current fag list. 05.01.26 # learn to english 05.01.35 # midkay, hug the ignore switch, it's your friend 05.01.39 # :-) 05.01.53 # Davide-NYC, i personally dislike it except for trolls :) 05.01.58 # hahah doesn't know how to ignore 05.02.06 # learn to irc 05.02.58 # midkay if you check this thread http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=2513.0 you'll see why I care about the histogram patch 05.03.40 # Davide-NYC, i haven't read many of your messages, so i'm not sure what you were asking.. 05.04.04 # hard to pay attention to so much irrelevance 05.04.05 # it's just eye-candy really, relating to user fonts in the recording screen and cool graphical displays of remaining HD space, battery life, input balance, and a history of your recorded levels 05.04.19 # pretty cool.. 05.04.36 # yeah, the auto gain control patch applies and compiles fine 05.04.52 # but the hitogram patch fails and I'm not knowledgeable enought o fix it 05.05.06 # you can try to manually apply the rejected hunks.. 05.05.31 # OK backup one sec 05.05.40 # a hunk is just a code segment? 05.05.57 # yeah. 05.05.58 # (dives back into cygwin) 05.06.11 # it should give a list of hunk x failed/succeeded.. 05.06.18 # it did 05.06.27 # but I've done a bunch of things since 05.06.34 # that was an hour ago 05.06.36 # :-) 05.06.58 # I'll agree he's a fag. 05.07.26 # Davide-NYC, that doesn't matter. if you remember what file it was that got patched, you can browse to it. 05.07.28 # question, if I -R a patch and some of it's hunks are redundant with other patches I applied prior I could botch the whole compile, right? 05.07.31 # there will be three files.. 05.07.39 # file.c, file.c.orig, and file.c.rej. 05.07.52 # you want to put stuff from file.c.rej into file.c at the right places. 05.08.04 # line numbers are shown in the .rej file, to make things pretty easy. 05.08.09 # i think I got it 05.08.22 # lines preceeded (sp?) by a plus means 'add', and a minus means 'remove'. 05.08.30 # yes 05.08.40 # learn to english 05.09.16 # haha. 05.09.25 # I think the AGC patch and the histogram patch touch some of the same files. I am worried that they touch some of the same hunks. 05.09.43 # Davide-NYC, quite possible, but shouldn't be too hard to figure out. 05.09.53 # In which case by manually applying the histogram hunks I could be messing up the AGC hunks right? 05.10.01 # OK, I am diving in right now 05.10.08 # (nice friday night I'm having) 05.10.14 # it's possible, but just 'be careful' ;) 05.10.24 # what is the wordt that could happen? 05.10.27 # *worst 05.10.51 # it won't work right.. 05.11.04 # the problem probably isn't conflicting code but simply misaligned code. 05.11.08 # the patch looks for specific lines.. 05.11.13 # ah 05.11.15 # and after applying a patch, those lines probably have moved. 05.11.16 # understood 05.11.26 # if new functions were inserted above, or removed.. 05.11.43 # right, the text the patch looks for will not be there 05.11.47 # go ti 05.11.51 # *got it 05.11.56 # :) 05.11.56 # thanks so much! 05.12.01 # no prob 05.12.02 # midkay! 05.12.06 # midkay rules! 05.12.07 # sharpie! 05.12.10 # yay! 05.12.12 # we all rule. 05.12.13 # trademark! 05.12.15 # haha 05.12.17 # haha. 05.12.18 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 05.12.20 # Put ROC_MM in your pipe and smoke it. 05.12.28 # i thinks 05.12.31 # djparrot, is a bot 05.12.43 # using %Name 05.12.47 # nah, its a jerk 05.13.24 # tweedledee is reunited with his twin 05.14.18 # ugh, shut up 05.14.53 Join HedgeMage [0] (i=HedgeMag@freenode/staff/HedgeMage) 05.14.55 # fuck, it's that one fag, what's his face 05.15.45 # * HedgeMage looks around 05.16.02 # So, what exactly is rockbox anyhow? 05.16.56 # well... 05.17.04 # * HedgeMage thinks it's awfully quiet in here 05.17.18 # I'll agree he's a fag. 05.17.48 # question (begs forgiveness) is there a way to just produce the patching log without actually changing any files? 05.17.50 # djparrot: there's really no need for that language, please. 05.17.51 Quit Rob2222_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.18.21 # HedgeMage: just ignore that, it's been here for a while... 05.18.24 # Davide-NYC, hm, good question.. patch --help, see if you can find an arg for it. 05.18.37 # ooo you just made my day: --help 05.18.42 # I've been /? 05.18.52 # like in CMD.EXE 05.19.02 # HedgeMage: you may want to check out http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WhyRockbox for what rockbox is... 05.19.05 # Davide-NYC, :) --help is standard for linux-ish commands, like /? is for cmd ones. 05.19.09 # MAN!!! 05.19.12 # I love it 05.19.14 # djparrot: you have five seconds to convince me you know how to breathe. 05.20.23 Quit Digital_Coma (K-lined) 05.20.23 Quit djparrot (K-lined) 05.20.29 # That should do it. 05.20.35 # :) 05.20.39 # mucho thanks :) 05.20.47 # midkay: any time 05.20.49 # :) 05.20.52 # TY 05.21.11 # yay... 05.21.17 # the author of this patch made no comments anywhere 05.21.30 # Davide-NYC, haha, typical :) 05.21.31 # I have to infer and deduce even the simplest things 05.21.32 # maybe it was all in his head? 05.21.46 # I'm not a programmer so this is going to be difficult 05.21.49 # :-P 05.22.02 # sharpe: then, logically, he should place his brain in a jar and deliver it with the source code ;) 05.22.05 # * HedgeMage hides 05.22.21 # Okay, enough unprofessional snarkinees, I'm off to chase spambots 05.22.22 # haha :) 05.22.23 # * HedgeMage waves 05.22.27 # * midkay waves back 05.22.27 # not my patch, so i've no problem with that. :) 05.22.30 Part HedgeMage 05.22.36 # * sharpe waves to himself 05.22.51 # because sharpe is cool like that. 05.23.12 # ./haha 05.23.13 # :) 05.23.14 # found the patch switch I needed --dry-run Do not actually change any files; just print what would happen. 05.23.21 # Davide-NYC, ha, i knew it. :) 05.23.23 # --dry-run, how cool 05.23.27 # dry run. ha. 05.23.35 # try --wet-run. 05.23.36 # * midkay giggles quietly. 05.23.49 # or --slow-run. 05.23.52 # e.g. --jog. 05.23.53 # i think i may go play some more games... 05.23.58 # or --crawl. 05.23.58 # --slow-pace 05.24.00 # or --prone. 05.24.12 # or --snipe 05.24.19 # anyways. 05.24.37 # yeah. i was just getting started with ghost recon: advanced warfighter when i popped in :) 05.24.51 # obviously...? 05.25.03 # what?! 05.25.29 # hey don;t leave I'm still dumb as dirt here! 05.25.59 # "reversed (or previously applied) patch detected! Assume -R [n] 05.26.17 # hahaha. 05.26.25 # um. 05.26.27 # does this mean that if I type Y it will reverse my previous patch? 05.26.30 # this is a dry one? 05.26.32 # confused 05.26.34 # yes 05.26.44 # so it dont matter 05.26.46 # right 05.27.03 # i recently got guild wars: factions... i'm bored like that... 05.27.09 # you guys know about fuzz? 05.27.14 # try either way, or see what -r does in --help. 05.27.17 # sharpe, cool, i've got guild wars but haven't got factions yet. 05.27.29 # Davide-NYC, fuzz means like offset, i think.. 05.27.35 # heh, i've never played the non-faction one... 05.27.45 # fuzz... isn't that like, lint? 05.27.45 # haha. nice.. 05.27.48 # haha. 05.27.57 # god, i've got like.. 05.28.03 # 700 hours racked up in playtime for guild wars. 05.28.07 # when you think of fuzz, what color do you think of? 05.28.12 # I think fuzz does text matching one or two lines forward or backward from the intended line 05.28.35 # Davide-NYC, i think it's actually up to like ten lines, but yeah. 05.28.42 # sharpe, pink. or blue. 05.28.51 # can you set it really wide like 25 lines? 05.29.05 # i think of like a dark blue... 05.29.08 # Davide-NYC, --yelp :) 05.29.09 # er. 05.29.13 # you know what i mean. 05.29.18 # yeah 05.29.32 # i've an idea! 05.29.39 # anyone interested in my miserable failure of a dry-run? 05.29.57 # um. 05.32.04 # cant think straight enough to do this by hand right now 05.32.24 # technically, you are doing whatever by hand right now 05.32.30 # will reattempt with my new 'perspective' tomorrow afternoon 05.32.41 # thanks midkay. 05.32.58 # Davide-NYC, np, good luck :) 05.33.00 # sharpe, I have to apply 'hunks' manually to many files 05.33.06 # we're always here. sort of. 05.33.20 # somewhat... 05.33.23 # Davide-NYC, well.. depends on how many files, but it should not take long at all. 05.33.30 # this will be painful, I'm sure there's a tools to assist in this process 05.33.34 # a few minutes at the most, i'd guess. 05.33.37 # it's quite simple. 05.33.58 # you're kidding right? 05.34.14 # we're not dealing with manually placing a thousand lines of code, just like.. probably several (3-6 or so) hunks in rather obvious places. 05.34.55 # yes, but I've never done this before and have not had formal training. 05.35.01 # tomorrow i must call and apoligize to someone for something... 05.35.02 # many minutes of staring blankly 05.35.16 # in between actual actiojn 05.35.20 # *action 05.35.20 # Davide-NYC, does your editor have line numbers? they're absolutely imperative.. 05.35.24 # yes 05.35.33 # the patch gives the line numbers... 05.35.48 # or, ones relative to the lines to replace/remove... 05.35.50 # just find the source line in the rej file, go to that number in the .c file, and look around that area for the right code. 05.36.02 # sharpe, yes, but your editor needs to show line numbers for them to be useful. 05.36.02 # what editor do you guys use? 05.36.15 # I use notepad2 05.36.16 # i code from windows, so i use textpad. 05.36.22 # textpad 05.36.24 # OK 05.36.26 # i just use Relo right now 05.36.27 # I check it out 05.36.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.36.32 # in linux i always used kwrite or kate. 05.36.33 # :) 05.36.44 # I'm in Win32 05.36.54 # linux not yet for me 05.37.11 # too much of a hassle for me. 05.37.20 # me too... 05.37.23 # agreed (ducks for cover) 05.37.28 # i use too many windows apps/games to even potentally consider switching, and dual-booting is a pain. 05.37.39 # me and my, non-compatible network card. 05.37.49 # haha. 05.37.57 # my integrated one didn't work either.. 05.37.58 # I use NLite to tear out the extra MS crap and have me a lean install disk 05.38.02 # had to use a seperate one. 05.38.06 # well, more like linux-driver-lacking network card... 05.38.14 # another reason i use windows; it works, and quickly. :) 05.38.26 # you should check out NLite 05.38.28 # i never have any problems with windows... 05.38.49 # * midkay googles 05.38.49 # Guys, NLite make Win32 even better 05.38.57 # i've gotten a xp pro install cd, under 180 megs, if i remember correctly, with nLite... 05.38.58 # nliteos.com (I think) 05.39.04 # yeah dude 05.39.18 # just remember to never tear out the IE core files. 05.39.23 # ah, sounds nice.. 05.39.26 # the browser sure, dump it. 05.39.31 # but not something i'd probably use. 05.39.37 # but the rendering files are necessary for many many apps 05.40.03 # believe me midkay it takes two hours and you'll never install XP 'vanilla' ever again 05.40.13 # i like vanilla ice cream. 05.40.16 # I haven't since I discovered it 05.40.31 # OK I gotta go record my buddies band at some bar 05.40.35 # i don't mind.. i use a number of windows components, and the several i don't use don't bother me 05.40.39 # do some iriver-rockbox testing 05.40.44 # yay :) 05.40.51 # easy breezy kids 05.40.52 # field testing! 05.40.56 # yu[ 05.40.58 # *yup 05.40.59 # laterz, good luck :) 05.41.08 # cya 05.41.16 Quit Davide-NYC ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 05.41.52 # wow. my eyelids are really sensitive to touch right now, and i don't know why. 05.42.11 # sharpe deserves the most-random-crap-ever award.. 05.42.28 # heheh. 05.42.50 # i can't remember what i was going to do 05.42.57 # og 05.42.59 # * midkay is off to GRAW.. 05.43.06 # oh. i was going to play factions. 05.43.07 # unless you wanna guildwars ;) 05.43.36 # heheh 05.44.36 # i've got to go play games, go to sleep, wake up, move stuff, call and apologize, and play more games. 05.44.55 # fun stuff. 05.45.04 # have you played much factions yet? 05.45.16 # eh, i've got a level 10 and 14 05.45.32 # ah, cool. 05.45.44 # is 20 the highest level? 05.45.48 # yeah. 05.45.50 # alright 05.45.53 # i haven't played much in the past couple months. 05.46.00 # i used to play it all day every day :) 05.46.04 # heh 05.46.08 # summer break's a-coming, though.. 05.46.16 # i just have nothing better to do, yeah, it is... 05.46.19 # i'll probably snag factions and dive back in. 05.46.40 # heheh. 05.46.51 # 'cause it's hard to just play for a little bit.. 05.47.07 # to do anything worthy of doing, it tends to take like.. a while. :) 05.47.07 # it also tells you, to take a break after three hours. 05.47.36 # which is kind of funny... 05.48.12 # eh, i think i'm going to just skip games, and go to sleep 05.48.41 # haha. 05.48.44 # have fun, whatever you do. 05.48.48 # lol, alright 05.48.50 # *starts gr:aw* 05.48.51 # later midkay 05.48.55 # l8rz, yo. 05.53.26 Join fiftyfour123 [0] (n=chatzill@cpe-66-108-136-179.nyc.res.rr.com) 05.55.52 Quit fiftyfour123 (Client Quit) 05.55.55 Join ivan` [0] (i=Default@adsl-71-143-53-125.dsl.scrm01.pacbell.net) 05.56.04 # there's no brightness adjust for the X5 yet, right? 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09.52.31 # mask volume flag instead of comparing 09.52.34 # I didn't experience it yet, although I do delete dirs in the root from time to time 09.52.40 # me neither 09.52.41 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-70-229.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.52.48 # (the dreaded 'System Volume Information') 09.53.18 # but what tool set the volume ID - I use w2k, don't know how linux interpretes the fat spec :) 09.53.33 # bbl - breakfast time... 09.55.11 # Oh, were those reports only from linux people? 09.56.38 # We're not handling the volume label correctly according to the fat specs... 09.56.59 # Nm, forget that 09.59.25 # petur: I would like the correct check (per the fat specs) better... 10.08.23 # which is? I find the spec unclear - will check it again tonight 10.08.49 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 10.10.16 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.10.18 # if ( (entry->attr & (FAT_ATTR_VOLUME_ID|FAT_ATTR_DIRECTORY)) == FAT_ATTR_VOLUME_ID ) 10.11.49 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-76-152.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 10.14.37 # stupid question of the day, why does cvs build now output "Skip DancePuffDuo.wps due to size restraints" etc. 10.14.46 # I mean, no offense, but I kind of like that wps 10.16.24 # amiconn: will test and commit tonight, no more time now but plenty tonight :) 10.16.27 # bbl 10.16.41 Quit petur ("later") 10.21.45 # did someone change the resolution of the wps or something? It fit perfectly on the screen before 10.21.51 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 10.22.44 # evening all 10.26.58 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.27.49 # * Galois checks out the old DancePuffDuo.wps and bludgeons it into the correct resolution 10.30.22 # Galois: Which player do you have? 10.30.39 # ipod nano 10.31.07 # Then there is no DancePuffDuo for your LCD - you were probably using the 160x128 version before. 10.31.32 # indeed, that version looks fine on the nano (to me, anyway) 10.32.30 Join ShamrockMan [0] (n=root@71-11-94-119.dhcp.hlrg.nc.charter.com) 10.34.05 # I think you simply need to copy DancePuffDuo.160x128x1.wps to DancePuffDuo.176x132x1.wps 10.34.14 # Linux people - Help... I want to create a link in dir sims to sims/01/rockboxui so in sims I enter 'ln -s 01/rockboxui ./01_player' and that works fine, but... I want to to add a --background parameter to the command, how do I do it? 10.34.24 # thanks linuxstb 10.35.07 # RedBreva: add the -background paramter like you would normally... 10.36.07 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 10.36.08 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd797.f.strato-dslnet.de) 10.36.13 # I think that's not possible 10.36.22 # if I enter ln -s 01/rockboxui --background ./01_player the create link command fails 10.36.29 # A link in the linux sense is a bit different than a link in the windows sense 10.36.35 Join quan [0] (i=fix@ip70-162-15-8.ph.ph.cox.net) 10.36.47 # no, make the link, but then run the link with the param 10.36.51 # If i enclose the first part in '' it doesn't work 10.38.54 # in other words you have to go "01_player --background" in order to use the command with the --background option 10.39.07 # if your main goal is to avoid typing --background then you need an alias, not a link 10.39.25 # Ahhh - what's an alias? 10.39.55 # 'cause I am a point and click type guy... ;) 10.40.14 # if you want a desktop icon then you should .. right click on the desktop and make a desktop icon 10.40.22 # an alias is basically, well, you type 10.40.36 # alias 123="sims/01/rockboxui --background" 10.41.04 # and henceforth (until you close that window), the command "123" in that window means "sims/01/rockboxui --background" 10.41.19 # er, that's terrible, you want something like /full/path/to/sims/01/rockboxui instead of just sims/ 10.41.45 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-147-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) 10.41.56 # you can make it permanent by editing ~/.bashrc in your favorite text editor (~/.bashrc is a line by line listing of commands that are run at startup for every window) 10.43.24 # I can indeed create a 'shortcut' from within Konqueror, that allows me to point to an exectutable and pass parameters :) 10.43.44 # No way to command line the creation of one of thos I suppose? 10.43.55 # that's exactly what alias is for 10.44.50 # a link in linux means "this link corresponds to that file" 10.44.55 # very different from shortcuts or aliases 10.45.24 # it's arguably much more powerful -- for example Windows shortcuts do not work on DLLs, but linux links do work with the linux equivalent of shared libraries 10.45.37 # RedBreva: you can do echo '01/rockboxui --background' > 01_player;chmod +x 01_player 10.45.58 # that's probably what your file manager does 10.48.22 # Galois: On NTFS it's possible to create a different type of link, so called junctions (not with windows explorer but there are free command line and graphical tools) 10.48.36 # These work for everything and are transparent for applications 10.48.51 # do they work across partitions? 10.49.19 # Beware though: they are so transparent that even explorer doesn't know about them. If you delete a junction to a directory, you will delete the target dir 10.49.23 # on linux, you can do it regardless of the fs 10.49.35 # Mikachu: Even on fat? 10.49.35 # junctions sound a lot like mount --bind 10.49.49 # yeah, talking about mount now, not hardlinks 10.49.55 # No, they aren't like mount 10.50.36 # you know what mount --bind does? 10.50.49 # They are like links (didn't check yet whether they work cross-partition) and are an incarnation of the yet more powerful concept of reparse points 10.52.18 # you can use bind mounts on both dirs and files 10.55.01 # um, this junction thing sounds interesting, got any links to GUI-junction-programs handy? (just reading the knowledgebase description for cmdline) 10.55.19 # ah 10.55.21 # 'winbolic link' is one 10.55.29 # Should have checked wikipedia first;) 10.55.36 # thx, I'll look for it :) 10.56.03 # The commandline tool is called 'junction', from sysinternals 10.56.15 # "Interesting tidbit: a hall of mirrors effect can be created by placing a JP in the folder it targets." 10.56.16 # :) 10.56.30 # "Note: junction points link only to folders (*). You can create a similar link to a file, but with the restriction that the file must belong to the same logical volume, using hard links." says wikipedia 10.56.58 # hm smells like mount bind to me 10.57.18 # me too 10.58.30 # I don't know, but I would think that unlike ntfs junctions, mount --bind is not handled by the filyesystem 10.58.44 # yes, but the end result is similar 10.59.20 # There's one type of junctions you can create with no additional tools, and that's know to explorer. 10.59.47 # You can put one partition into a (sub-dir) of another - no need to create drive letters for every partition 11.00.18 # like regular mounting 11.00.50 # yes, but handled by the parent filesystem driver 11.01.25 # It requires ntfs, and windows 2000+ 11.02.11 # 'NTFS link' looks nice, it's integrated into the shell 11.05.30 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 11.05.52 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-147-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.07.36 Quit Kohlrabi (Client Quit) 11.09.41 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-147-130.pools.arcor-ip.net) 11.24.19 # is it possible to run more than one sim at a time? 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later then 11.51.18 Quit udo ("CGI:IRC 0.5.7 (2005/06/19)") 11.52.34 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 11.56.50 Join MarcoPolo [0] (n=MarcoPol@che78-2-82-227-240-106.fbx.proxad.net) 12.01.31 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 12.06.56 # bored bored bored bored bored 12.13.40 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3006.gwdg.de) 12.13.56 Quit RedBreva ("Time for Tubby ByeBye") 12.17.02 Join Poka64 [0] (i=Poka64@213.226.65.192) 12.23.32 Quit hannesd (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.24.36 Join hannesd_ [0] (n=light@gate-hannes-tdsl.imos.net) 12.24.56 Join ender` [0] (i=ychat@84.52.165.220) 12.30.07 # Hmm, these archos 'rubber' bumpers are made of anything but rubber :/ 12.30.36 # Obviously they slowly decay over time, producing some pink liquid... 12.32.39 # lol 12.32.44 # wtf 12.36.12 # * amiconn dissected both his player & recorder, resoldered the battery contacts and equipped both units with a set of new 2700mAh cells 12.36.37 # I had to clean the bumpers of the recorder thoroughly 12.37.02 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-27-13.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.37.23 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 12.43.47 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 12.44.26 Quit hannesd_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.47.38 Quit obo (Remote closed the connection) 12.48.33 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 12.48.49 # amiconn: trying spdif analogue monitoring, works great 12.48.59 Quit Kohlrabi (Nick collision from services.) 12.49.07 # cd player -> spdif -> h120 -> line out -> pc 12.49.09 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-146-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) 12.51.26 # :) 12.51.54 # The reverse should also work 12.52.00 # amiconn: hmm 12.52.06 # amiconn: monitoring is not turned off when i exit the recording screen 12.52.12 # imho, it should be 12.52.31 # Playback should reset it 12.52.40 # I know, we need a proper driver.... 12.52.46 # right 12.52.55 # if that'll fix it, it's ok 12.56.42 Quit chang ("So long, and thanks for all the fish !") 12.57.09 Join Mogwai [0] (n=mogwai@p2648-adslbkksp7.C.csloxinfo.net) 12.59.12 Join andy__ [0] (n=51e2f433@labb.contactor.se) 13.00.53 # morning ladies and gents, i just did my first recording on the x5 13.01.00 # \o_ 13.03.12 # my god.. so little work, why didn't i try this earlier :) 13.03.28 # what iis channel was recording on? 13.03.38 # iis1 13.03.47 # playback too? 13.04.00 # yep.. it works in duplex mode 13.07.21 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 13.10.23 # has anyone looked at the recording-codec patch btw? it would be nice with realtime mp3 encoding :) 13.11.08 # after 3.0 ;) 13.11.20 # yep 13.12.47 Quit ShamrockMan (Remote closed the connection) 13.13.00 # and wavpack 13.14.42 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-123-13.VIC.netspace.net.au) 13.14.56 Quit mirak (Connection timed out) 13.15.17 # and speex 13.15.21 # perhaps... 13.15.24 # speex encoding isn't cheap 13.20.59 # We don't even have speex decoding yet :/ 13.21.30 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-4-238.w82-121.abo.wanadoo.fr) 13.23.09 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 13.23.10 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 13.30.14 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 13.33.39 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-103-032.pools.arcor-ip.net) 13.36.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.45.37 Quit Acksaw ("I'm off, see ya later!") 13.46.24 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 13.48.20 Quit lee-qid__ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 13.51.32 # hm.. line-in does not work.. i get radio static instead :) anyone found a GPIO to select line-in/radio yet? :) 13.52.03 # ... mentioneing the target would prob be a good idea.. 13.54.41 Join lee-qid__ [0] (n=liqid@p5496576D.dip.t-dialin.net) 13.56.25 # JdGordon: x5 14.00.40 # aha.. 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I have yet another q...this time about 24bit playback on the h1xx. is it dithered to 16bit, or is it 'legitimately' 24bits? 14.23.44 # all data is truncated to 16 bits 14.23.49 # no dithering 14.24.00 # ah.o k. thanks 14.24.07 # i'll add a dithering option after 3.0 14.24.52 # we'll also have 20 bit playback when someone bothers to make it 14.24.53 # Now that's interesting. 14.24.56 # that's the max 14.25.02 # I bought an ER4P->ER4S cable. 14.25.14 # The iPod happily drives the ER4S. 14.26.02 # And the main effect seems to be that the bass is slightly more defined. 14.26.43 Join linuxstb [0] (n=linuxstb@rockbox/developer/linuxstb) 14.27.03 # preglow: would the effort to get 20bit playback running then make life easier for 20bit recording? :) 14.27.18 # ...pave the way... 14.27.20 # a bit 14.27.22 # but not much 14.28.18 # Can someone explain to me why you'd want to record at higher bit depth that 16. 14.28.36 # I mean it's not as if you can hear frequencies as high as 44Khz any way. 14.28.42 # cause you can 14.29.05 # Cassandra: to halve the frequency later and listen to whale song? :P 14.29.13 # or is that low frequency? 14.29.16 # maybe dolphins then 14.29.46 # Cassandra: bit rate has nothing to do with sample rate 14.29.47 # Cassandra: besides, 44khz sampling frequency lets you record frequencies up to 22khz only, and that's the theoretical upper limit 14.29.59 # there's that too 14.30.23 # Cassandra: increasing bit depth will lower the noise floor, which is at -96dB at 16 bits 14.30.51 # is that the same thing as saying it increases the dynamic depth? 14.30.57 # dynamic range, yes 14.30.57 # :) 14.31.00 # Can you really detect sounds that quiet? 14.31.06 # Cassandra: if they're load enough 14.31.24 # Cassandra: the ear can detect more than 96 db 14.31.32 # you'll end up deaf, but yeah... 14.32.38 # i agree more with us needing higher bit depth more than us needing higher sample rate 14.32.39 Quit solexx_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.32.45 # but i don't really care much about either 14.32.55 Quit pixelma (" I love my HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <-") 14.33.14 # Ah, so higher bit depth gives finer gradation of sound? Of course. 14.33.21 # Still seems pretty pointless though. 14.33.29 # pointless it's not, it depends what you're doing 14.33.33 # yes, you could detect smaller differences between volumes at a given level too 14.33.45 # for a finished track, mixed and everything clear, i think cd quality is just fine 14.33.52 # for production purposes though, hell no 14.34.14 # cassandra: and any extra noise floor hurts when amplified...which is what tapers usually have to do... 14.34.31 # yup 14.34.51 # i don't consider a recording a finished thing 14.34.56 # it usually needs post processing 14.35.10 # and when that's a fact, you should use all the bit depth you can 14.35.25 # Sort of makes sense, I suppose. 14.35.26 # if you want to change the pitch, doubled sample frequency is useful 14.35.40 # Particularly if you're using SPDIF to record from a decent source. 14.35.44 # yup 14.35.57 # ...but it doesn't make a whole lot of difference to me...my ears are happy with 16bits...but there are plenty of tapers already asking about it since the spdif stuff was committed. 14.36.37 # whatboutbob, the thing is, I think a lot of "audiophile" stuff is basically technology dicksizing. 14.36.51 # cassandra: i agree entirely. 14.36.53 # And I consider myself an audiophile. Just not an obsessive one. 14.37.24 # hm.. i've found references to EBUCONFIG2 in the IAudio X5 code.. It could mean that SPDIF is available through the dock connector 14.37.26 # i like to apply common sense to it 14.37.26 # heh 14.37.31 # so you don't buy cable lifters for $1500? 14.37.46 # preglow, exactly why I asked. 14.37.51 # err.. EBU1CONFIG 14.38.00 # andy__: receive only, then 14.38.41 # * Cassandra wonders if the 'improvements' I'm hearing with the ER4S cable are placebo effect. 14.38.44 # andy_: wow! 14.38.51 # I can't be arsed to ABX it though. 14.39.28 # is that audiophile talk for a blind test? 14.39.58 # a double blind one 14.40.13 # ...with a half twist... 14.40.31 # ...and the real show-offs add a pike. 14.41.46 # Someone ought to write an ABX plugin for Rockbox. 14.41.46 Quit MarcoPolo (Remote closed the connection) 14.41.53 # preglow: Imho anything >16 bit is pointless with our hardware 14.42.10 # amiconn: not spdif 14.42.25 # The uda is so noisy that I strongly doubt it gets even close to 90 dB s/n ration 14.42.25 # for spdif it makes very much sense 14.42.51 # it really shouldn't be very hard to code it either 14.43.26 # Well, I would stay away from it. It will cost a lot more cpu because we'll end up in interrupt hell 14.43.31 # sure 14.43.40 # but i still think it's worth trying 14.43.41 # hehe 14.43.44 # we've got the hardware for it 14.46.44 # :) 14.46.44 # We've got the hardware to put men on the moon too. Did we do that? Oh...wait... 14.46.51 # abx? 14.47.00 # * whatboutbob was never in the debating club... 14.47.24 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.47.27 # Cassandra: what's ABX? :> 14.47.30 Join Vladoman [0] (n=Vladoman@dsl-cus-098-041.de.clara.net) 14.48.44 # Hmm, the uda datasheet claims an s/n ratio of >=87dB for the headphone driver. I wonder why it's so noisy then in the iriver... 14.49.13 # have you measured it? 14.49.32 # if not, please do so, you might be surprised at how low noise thresholds you can hear 14.50.14 # qwm: A double-blind audio test. Basically a way of checking for perceived quality differences in audio without the effect that knowing what you're listening to gives. 14.50.31 # I didn't measure it. I don't even have an idea how to measure noise. 14.51.01 # I only know that the archos' headphone out is significantly less noisy than the iriver's 14.52.35 # Cassandra: i see. :) 14.53.18 # http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16295 is a good explanation. 14.53.43 # amiconn: just play a sine wave and record it? 14.53.56 # When I go back to the H140, the first thing I notice is how noisy its headphone out is. 14.54.00 # qwm: http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=16295 14.54.07 # bah! :) 14.54.09 # if the noise floor is higher than that of your input, then you should be able to measure it fine 14.57.19 # god, i miss the audio facilities in windows 14.57.37 # the one thing for which linux is still crap-ish 14.59.13 Join SereRokR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd118.f.strato-dslnet.de) 15.11.33 Quit SereR0KR (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.12.07 # I've been trying the daily builds on my 4g ipod and all builds after 20060501 seems very unstable. Is there something like an community accepted stable build for Rockbox or should I just keep trying builds at random? 15.12.56 # Not really, no. 15.13.08 # Things are likely to be more broken until the 3.0 release. 15.14.09 # I see, so is there a stable 2.0 milestone release I could use or should I just continue with my 20060501 :) 15.14.28 # use whatever works 15.15.11 # ok, got it, thanks 15.21.06 # amiconn: how does the dma interface know how much to transfer from the PDIR register at a time? 15.21.16 # the value in BCR is waaay larger than the fifo depth 15.22.50 # The dma is demand-driven from the audio interface 15.23.20 # ok, cool 15.23.52 # Only dma channel 0 and 1 support demand-mode from audio interface 15.25.59 # you can use movem with the PDIR registers 15.26.09 # Yes I know 15.26.18 # interrupt mode might not end up _that_ slow 15.26.52 # ~4 samples/interrupt 15.27.12 # right 15.27.15 # movem can't read the entire fifo 15.27.16 # Plus our output buffers would need double width (32 bit/channel) 15.27.26 # sure, which i think is good anyway :> 15.27.41 # ?? 15.28.18 Join anathema [0] (n=3efe2012@labb.contactor.se) 15.28.57 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 15.32.33 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 15.32.59 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 15.33.06 Quit Mogwai ("Leaving") 15.33.19 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 15.36.41 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.37.32 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.37.36 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 15.37.52 Join Moos [0] (i=DrMoos@m42.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 15.39.33 Part Paul_The_Nerd 15.39.43 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.2 - www.xchat.org, XC-WSys 0.18") 15.42.22 Join tempel [0] (n=tempi@unaffiliated/tempi) 15.42.40 # Tach 15.43.06 # I try to find the source code of "ipodpatcher". Does anyone know where that is? I looked into the CVS but could not find it 15.49.52 # Can someone explain to me the difference between a speaker port driven by an amp, and the speaker port on an MP3 player? 15.50.03 # Erm, headphone port 15.50.39 # tempel: dunno but ipodpatcher seems to be essentially 'dd' 15.50.58 # i need it to rebuild for windows, and need to see the source, though 15.51.18 # and it has more functions that dd 15.56.15 # tempel: what do you need it to do ? (/me has never used it ipod_fw and dd did the job ) 15.56.42 # hi 15.56.45 # i am reviewing and updating the docs on how to install a loader for ipodlinux 15.56.58 # tempel: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/pub/Main/IpodInstallation/ipodpatcher-0.3.zip 15.57.00 # in the process i found that the tools used for windows are not even known to us 15.57.04 # it was right on the wiki ;) 15.57.25 # with v5 bootloader there is no usb charging possible ? 15.57.25 # ah, had not realized that it contains the sourc as well. thanks 15.59.46 # mirak: if you are talking about the v5 bootloader for h300, then you can use the usb charging of the original firmware by holding the record button while inserting the usb cable 16.00.03 # that's what I though 16.03.48 Join Falco98 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) 16.04.07 # hey JdG 16.16.43 # ok.. x5 recording patch in tracker now 16.18.09 # line-in is not working yet and recording volume is not functional either (it should work :)).. 16.21.23 Join Lear [0] (n=chatzill@h194n1c1o285.bredband.skanova.com) 16.22.17 # JdGordon: u around? 16.33.16 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 16.33.54 # current CVS drop is pretty broken 16.34.19 # can't access any fonts, and all the themes have the default font, so are all aligned incorrectly 16.35.08 Part tempel ("Leaving") 16.35.24 # there is a seperate font pack available 16.36.13 # the fonts arent included anymore in the dayly/bleeding edge builds 16.37.26 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.37.39 Join Falco98 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) 16.39.04 # ok 16.39.04 Quit midkay (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.39.08 # where do I get it from? 16.39.08 Quit andy__ ("CGI:IRC") 16.40.11 # they can be found on this page: http://www.rockbox.org/daily.shtml (they are a little bit hard to find) 16.48.40 Quit ashridah ("Leaving") 16.51.08 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 16.53.41 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-75-101.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 16.53.43 # anyone wanna read the code of the latest "insert random folders" patch and tell me how it decildes where to insert? 16.53.44 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 16.56.57 # * Falco98 kicks JdGordon 16.58.41 # (but not in a mean way) 17.00.38 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-47-38.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.05.57 # Hello ! 17.06.28 # hey... When I try to make (under cygwin) it fails with this message : make: *** sudoku: No such file or directory. Stop. 17.06.33 # make[2]: *** [sudoku] Error 2 17.06.47 # any idea on what is wrong? 17.07.03 # i did make clean before but doesn't help 17.08.31 # also, I have a mp3 that fails to play 17.08.32 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-126-89.dsl.pipex.com) 17.08.50 # (but not sure it's the case on the latest build since I can't build) 17.09.03 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.09.31 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-89-2.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.09.38 # umm 17.09.47 # (in case anybody's interested) 17.09.50 # BoD[]: does your path have any spaces in it? 17.10.01 # which path 17.10.11 # the path containing your source code 17.10.21 # nop : /home/Administrator/rockbox/rockbox-devel/build 17.10.39 # ahh sry 17.10.52 # though i've heard various reports today that the CVS is messed up 17.11.05 # i don't really get stuff from the cvs so i wouldn't know for sure :-P 17.11.17 # can you get any old releases to build? 17.14.27 Join gasg [0] (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4070056.sympatico.ca) 17.14.32 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.17.10 Quit damaki (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 17.19.43 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-80-106.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.24.56 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-80-168.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.31.01 # hmmm 17.33.49 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.35) 17.35.33 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.35.57 # hello 17.36.02 # yo 17.36.07 # :) 17.36.16 Quit Sinbios (Connection timed out) 17.36.21 Nick gasg is now known as Sinbios (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4070056.sympatico.ca) 17.36.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.37.02 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.37.07 Quit crwl ("Reconnecting") 17.37.07 Join crwl [0] (n=crawlie@kek-kone.kekkola.jyu.fi) 17.38.07 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 17.39.01 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 17.39.07 # !ping jdgordon 17.39.17 # ?whois jdgordon 17.39.30 # hrm i forget the old IRC commands... 17.40.59 # use / 17.44.40 # hehe 17.45.09 # I bought E10. :D 17.45.33 Join Hansmaulwurf [0] (n=maerlyn@p5081BC0A.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 17.46.16 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 17.46.37 # E10? 17.49.23 # yes 17.49.25 # iriver E10 17.49.55 # Jungti1234: Do you know what CPU is inside the E10? 17.50.48 # nono 17.50.58 # It didn't come yet. 17.51.54 # http://tinyurl.com/j8m27 17.52.00 # found it :) 17.52.05 # looks interesting 17.52.12 # small... 17.52.28 # is anyone messing with the iriver T series yet? 17.52.34 # It comes in next week. Then, I'm going to see hardware. 17.52.35 # i haven't found ANYTHING about it on the forums, etc. 17.53.55 # Falco98, T series? 17.54.36 # yeah.. hold on i'll show u an example 17.54.51 # T10, T20, T30. 17.55.06 # http://tinyurl.com/ema48 17.55.26 # yeah, I knew. 17.56.00 Quit Sinbios ("If the definition of a klutz is someone who doesn't have eyes on their ass, then yes, I suppose I am a klutz.") 17.56.06 # yeah 17.56.08 # http://tinyurl.com/efxdg 17.56.10 # then, you want T series forum? 17.56.35 # i havent seen the t20 tho.. but the t10 and t30 are at best buy 17.56.46 # are you saying there IS a T series forum? 17.56.55 # i haven't found the T series even mentioned in the forums 17.57.05 # all they're talking about "possibly" doing is the H10 17.57.53 # um 17.57.59 # where? 17.58.11 # in the FAQ 17.58.22 # or the "future ports" section 17.58.53 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TargetStatus 17.58.56 # ah 17.58.59 # no mention of T-series 17.59.08 # umm 18.00.16 # that's thing which you must make. 18.00.57 # well all i'm saying is, i'm surprised noone else has brought it up yet 18.01.06 # these players have been in the stores for months and months now 18.01.10 # hey Falco98 18.01.24 # maybe it's not possible to do new f/w for them, but if so i wanna see a report for why ;-) 18.01.28 # JdGordon: hey, whats up 18.01.33 # nm 18.01.38 # http://product.iriver.co.kr/p_t20_feat.asp 18.01.42 # time i went ot bed :p 18.01.55 # oh you're leaving already? 18.02.06 # i was hopping you could explain ur new patch to me a bit 18.02.09 # hoping* 18.02.19 # (maybe hopping a little too) 18.02.48 # here is 01:02 :) 18.03.06 # what i do is pick a random track in the current playeist.. then work through the plalist untll the next folder starts and insert the new one there... 18.03.10 # 2.02am here.. 18.03.12 # here it's 3 minutes after Noon 18.03.16 # haha.. 18.03.46 # that's what i figured.. but i can think of a few problems with that 18.03.49 # well 1 or 2 18.04.02 # ? 18.04.02 # ok 18.04.04 # basically, how does an album get inserted randomly at the beginning? 18.04.11 # I have a mp3 that doesn't ply 18.04.17 # but plays correclty in winamp 18.04.20 Quit crashd (Remote closed the connection) 18.04.21 # JdGordon, we must sleep. 18.04.25 # :) 18.04.32 # hm 18.04.36 # Jungti1234: itslate. 18.04.37 # hi dongs 18.04.43 # anybody's interested ? :) 18.04.43 # hi 18.04.43 # if the playlist is empty its instered at the start.. if its not empty its almost impossible for it to be instered there.. 18.04.47 Join crashd [0] (i=nobody@badger.ing.me.uk) 18.04.48 # haha Jungti1234 so true 18.04.54 # hehe 18.04.55 # well 18.04.58 # 01;04 18.05.04 # yeah. 18.05.08 # once the first album has been inserted into the new playlist you're creating 18.05.13 # it's not empty anymore right? 18.05.20 # Korea and Japan is same time. 18.05.20 # ye 18.05.32 # so the second album you insert has what, a 1 - in - 15 chance of getting in before the first one? 18.05.44 # (or is it even possible at all?) 18.06.22 # no, the 2nd album inserted is almost definatly going to be inserted at the end... but as u ad more the numbers get smaller.. it works fine in my testging 18.06.27 # and every folder you insert after that, has even less of a chance to get "first" 18.06.58 # what, so if the playlist you have so far has 500 songs in it.. and the random picker picks position #3 ... 18.07.13 # will the album you're inserting be inserted before the first album or after? 18.07.17 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 18.07.48 # it would get instered before the first track after #3 that is not in the same folder as #3 18.08.01 # so after the first album 18.08.10 # its not flawless.. but its much better on memory... 18.08.16 # no stroing indicies at all... 18.08.21 # so the more tracks have been inserted, the less the chance that something gets in "before" the 1st album 18.08.46 # yeah, that seems like it might be an advantage 18.08.48 # somethinglike that... like i said.. its 2am and iv had a few beers.. 18.09.01 # we just need to figure out how to tweak the algorithm to solve the first-album-insert case 18.09.08 # cuz now it's rather biased :-P 18.10.15 # well.. the code is there.. i dont tinhk its too complicated.. if u can think of a good tweak im all ears... but now im going to bed 18.10.32 # nn 18.10.38 # ok 18.10.48 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 18.10.50 # i'll leave messages in the forum thread and/or flyspray 18.10.59 # heh oh well :-P 18.13.14 # dongs. 18.15.49 Join BHSPitLappy [0] (n=Steve-O@adsl-66-141-169-130.dsl.rcsntx.swbell.net) 18.16.52 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-67-188-108-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 18.21.37 Quit Lear ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.2/2006030804]") 18.21.41 # oooooommmmmmm 18.21.58 # I'm dozing now... 18.22.08 Quit BHSPitMonkey (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 18.22.36 # bye 18.22.53 Quit Jungti1234 () 18.23.07 # kekeke. i r korea. kekekek. zerg. 18.25.42 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=MARVIN_T@thes530-c228.otenet.gr) 18.27.14 # Genre9mp3, heya. How goes converting your WPS to the new structure? 18.27.28 # Hello! 18.27.44 # I am away from my home right now... 18.27.45 # new strucutre/ 18.27.57 # I'll work on it when I go back 18.28.10 # Ah, right. I thought you were back. 18.30.18 # I'll probably be back Tuesday or something... 18.31.22 # OK. 18.31.38 # new wps structure? 18.33.36 # Are you guys just talking about the new way WPSes are included when you make a rockbox archive? 18.33.43 # Yes. 18.33.57 # Nothing about the files itself has changed. 18.34.40 # BTW..this way it's way better now! ;) 18.35.04 # That was the intention. ;) 18.35.35 # what has changed? 18.36.33 # Copes with multiple resolutions better now. CVS only contains one copy of each BMP file. 18.36.59 # about time 18.37.08 # ahh 18.41.34 # btw, is it maybe possible to use different fonts on the rwps and wps? 18.41.46 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-83-245.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.41.51 # heh 18.41.53 # no 18.44.02 # It's possible. It's just not possible the way things are right now. 18.44.31 # Heck, I think it's implemented in the multifont patch. 18.44.53 # Oh, no, it's planned for a future iteration of it. 18.46.03 # hardeep: u around? 18.46.29 # Falco98: hey. what's up? 18.47.00 # jdgordon figured out a way of doing album insertion without keeping an index array 18.47.18 # Falco98: yeah, i took a look at the patch 18.47.21 # though the tradeoff might be somewhat more processor intensive 18.47.23 # looks pretty good 18.47.34 # yeah, my two biggest concerns are performance 18.47.45 # two? 18.47.47 # not so much the processor use but the disk usage 18.47.51 # a few minutes ago i was hassling him about it because i came up with a very serious special-case bug 18.48.03 # yeah.. well his new way probably won't chew on the disk too much thankfully 18.48.19 # actually, it does 18.48.25 # oh? 18.48.31 # the playlist_get_track_info() call he makes requires a disk read 18.48.44 # what does that do 18.49.08 # it retrieves the pathname of the track at a specified index 18.49.17 # we store the pathnames on disk usually 18.49.35 # oh, so it has to read it from the current playlist file? 18.49.43 # or control file, yeah 18.49.47 # gotcha 18.50.04 # which way do you think would end up being better? 18.50.09 # the indexed way or the dynamic way? 18.50.29 # his new apprach is not bad, and it definitely handles the case of inserting into an existing shuffled tree 18.50.41 # last night i dreamed up a way to insert random folders into an already-existing shuffled list even using indices 18.50.49 # the one other problem i have is the possibility of certain directories "clumping" together 18.50.58 # yeah 18.51.07 # well this is my problem with his new implementation: 18.51.22 # the first folder inserted will nearly ALWAYS end up at the beginning of the playlist 18.51.56 # because after the first one is inserted, it picks a random number (1 - #tracks), then counts UP to find the next directory boundary 18.52.05 # yeah, and folders with less tracks are less likely to be reached randomly and will clump with their neighbors 18.52.13 # so unless the rand picks 0 (and maybe even if), the second insertion will go AFTER the first 18.52.34 # yup 18.52.46 # well i dunno about that.. even small directories will be inserted at a random position in the big list, right? 18.53.21 # it does make large directories more likely to recieve "neighbors", but i'm not sure that would be too much of a problem if not for the "first case" problem 18.53.21 # oh, hmmm 18.53.37 # yeah, you're right 18.54.06 # i posted a sample solution to this problem on flyspray, though 18.54.11 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 18.54.13 # at the bottom 18.54.18 # tell me what you think 18.54.26 # yeah, i noticed... sounds like it could work 18.54.49 # other option would be to "flip a coin" to determine whether to go up or down 18.55.15 # true 18.55.29 # that would even out the cases a bit, i guess 18.55.47 # then again i kinda figured picking a random number was the "coin flip" in the first place :-P 18.55.57 # (it is in the case where you're inserting the 2nd album in total) 18.55.58 # you could just use the random number 18.56.02 # if even, go down, if odd go up 18.56.32 # maybe your rand() implementation sucks. 18.56.36 # time to switch to MT 18.56.46 Join Poka64 [0] (n=Poka64@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 18.56.56 # yeah 18.57.07 # it looks solveable though 18.57.16 # i guess performance is the only concern 18.57.31 # so.. overall, which way do you think would be the better implementation? the one we're discussing now, or having the existing playlist scanned to make an index array at the beginning? 18.58.00 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.58.05 # Falco98: this new approach doesn't limit the number of albums that can be interested 18.58.07 # (i figure that could solve the "insert into existing playlist" problem while still using indexes) 18.58.08 # which is good 18.58.11 # indeed 18.58.20 # playlists are evil anyway. 18.58.22 # s/interested/inserted 18.58.25 # so are albums 18.58.33 # and "artists" 18.58.45 # jsut name all mp3 s track001.mp3 -> track999.mp3 18.58.49 # and put them in one dir 18.58.51 # problem solved 18.58.52 # if performance is not too bad, i think this new approach is the better way 18.59.00 # plus, this new approach won't explode if someone tries to insert random folders into an existing shuffled p/l 18.59.20 # yup 18.59.43 # how severe a problem do you think all those disk-reads might end up being? 19.00.09 # the disk will be active anyways since we're writing to it 19.00.14 # it'll just thrash some 19.00.28 # have you tried the patch on your device? 19.00.32 # no 19.00.35 # not yet, anyway 19.00.52 # i've heard there might be problems with today's build, plus someone reported in the forum that the patch didn't compile 19.01.17 # Where's the description for this method? 19.01.37 # in the code =) 19.01.43 # Oh, wait 19.01.49 # I just misunderstood an earlier statement. 19.01.58 # To me "counts UP" meant "Moves vertically upward" not "Increases" 19.02.10 # Why not have it flip a coin to decide between counting up or down seeking a directory boundary? 19.02.24 # that was what hardeep suggested 19.02.27 # it seems reasonable 19.02.33 # Oh, right 19.02.35 # So I see 19.02.38 # I'm only half here.. 19.02.41 # my initial thought was to have it compare to the (total # of tracks) /2 19.02.52 # and if the random # is lower, it seeks down, and vice versa 19.02.58 # Well then change that from me suggesting that idea, to agreeing with his suggestion. 19.03.04 # hehe 19.03.53 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-146-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.06.37 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 19.11.24 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.1") 19.13.09 # o:rly 19.13.18 # ya:rly 19.14.55 # more like shitty jap keyboard 19.15.09 # dunno what you mean 19.15.19 # well, ' is shift-7 on jap keyboard. 19.15.21 # what the fuck 19.15.25 # and : is where ' is. 19.15.33 # fucking useless. 19.15.34 # interesting 19.15.49 # couldn't you change the key mapping to US standard or something? 19.15.53 # and type from memory? 19.16.27 # nope 19.16.31 # the keys are physically differnt 19.16.35 # the right hand side 19.16.43 # like [ ] etc 19.16.49 # you can still remap them... 19.17.02 # http://pepper.idge.net/suckasskeys.jpg 19.17.05 # no yo ucant 19.17.16 # good luck remapping that shit 19.17.18 # maybe you can't 19.17.19 # i can 19.17.31 # the onl way you can remap them is with a crowbar 19.17.51 # you're funny 19.18.06 # im serious 19.18.24 # did you look at the keycaps? 19.18.30 # yes 19.18.32 # Yeah, you could remap that pretty easily 19.18.35 # theyre in wrong places. physically. how do you propose it should remap 19.18.36 # there are even more keys than on a us keyboard 19.18.50 # do you think the computer looks at the keycaps when you press a key? 19.18.52 # I mean yeah, \ would go on the asdf line at the end, instead of qwerty line, but the rest of the keys in that general area could then line up 19.19.26 Quit Kohlrabi (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.19.29 # Or you could move \ up to the number line 19.20.08 # and what about [ and ] 19.20.13 # cant program for shit without those 2 19.20.39 # The two keys after P 19.20.41 # uiop[] 19.20.43 # Right where they are on the US keyboard. 19.20.48 # jkl;'\ 19.20.56 # nm,./ 19.21.17 # Yeah, see, Mikachu sees it too. 19.21.22 # It's not rocket science. 19.21.58 # oh well, still retarded. 19.22.16 # sure, the default mapping looks pretty stupid 19.22.24 # you should see the swedish default map 19.22.27 # it has / shifted on 7 19.22.46 # heh 19.23.01 # we have 3 extra letters though 19.23.02 DBUG Enqueued KICK Hansmaulwurf 19.23.02 # 2(02Mikachu02) it has / shifted on 7 <--- thats normal 19.23.08 # on my german keyboard 19.23.12 # only if youre gay 19.23.24 # eww 19.23.27 # then german keyboards are also stupid 19.23.32 # why? 19.23.45 # because / is shifted on 7... 19.23.48 # i like it, we need the ae, ue, and oe very often so 19.24.04 # i manage to have / unshifted and still have 19.24.32 # and where on the keyboard? 19.24.35 # E 19.24.36 # what 19.24.42 # this looks gooky 19.24.54 # Mikachu: those characters didn't show up here :-P 19.25.08 # STOP HACKING ME 19.25.36 # too late dongs, i've almost decrypted your hard drive and reverse-hacked your firewalls! 19.25.49 # your R pwned!!!1!!one 19.26.19 # SWEDES R HAXING ME 19.26.21 # HALP 19.26.29 # i think you would get along with kibble 19.26.35 # heh 19.26.53 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 19.26.53 # * Falco98 wonders whether kibble:dongs is to c.k.:superman 19.27.04 Join nudelyn [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-118-146.dslaccess.co.uk) 19.27.12 # s/is to/as/ 19.27.23 # messed it up, but u get the drift 19.27.45 # [realized that only after having typed & committed] 19.28.03 # i got a better one 19.28.08 # and you're awefully confident that your readers can read & quickly interpret PerlRE aren't ya? 19.28.11 # kibble:dongs as jews:wtc 19.28.32 # perl didn't invent regex 19.29.23 # whoops.. s/PerlRE/regex ...i guess 19.29.40 # s/a/b/ is pretty common in here. 19.29.41 # and yes, most people on freenode should know regex :) 19.29.55 # heh perhaps 19.30.03 # and i didn't even use regex 19.30.21 # i used the s command with a plain text search 19.30.38 # ok u can stop pointing out all the things i got wrong any minute now :-P 19.30.45 # i proudly used Windows XP Professional SP2. 19.30.59 # used/use 19.31.58 # Falco98: i think that was about it 19.32.06 # heh cool 19.35.10 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.35.11 Quit cismo_ (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.35.19 # so i went to my friend today to give away my ipod shuffle and show off rockbox, and when i demoed all the games and shit on my nano he got hard 19.36.01 # (hot sex followed) 19.36.07 # (thanks rockbox team) 19.36.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.37.11 # * Falco98 barfs a little... 19.37.32 # orly? 19.37.32 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.37.35 # why is that. 19.37.44 # people who bought an i pod shuffle should not allowed to install rockbox on their players 19.37.57 # (imho) ;) 19.38.07 # really now 19.38.08 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 19.38.10 # whats wrong with shuffle? 19.38.38 # lets start with the display 19.38.43 # wait, what display? 19.38.46 # why woudl i need a display? 19.38.47 # haah 19.39.05 # Hansmaulwurf: i have all my mp3s in one dir 19.39.09 # named from track001.mp3 19.39.10 # because I wanna choose what song i want to hear 19.39.12 # to track???.mp3 19.39.18 # and they:re untagged 19.39.22 # and i dont give a shit what they are 19.39.24 # yeah, but we've got the voice UI, so we could port text adventure games to it now?! 19.39.28 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-43-27.kotinet.com) 19.40.14 # people who shuffle their songs either have no respect for the artist or listen to music that needs no respect 19.40.34 # well 19.40.35 # i never used the shuffle function. 19.40.40 # i copied liek 20 mp3s to it in january 19.40.45 # and havent changed them since then 19.40.45 # shuffle mode for partys etc. is a great thing 19.40.49 # petur: maybe that is true for some genres 19.40.55 # but i wanna hear ti a complete album 19.41.02 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 19.41.34 # petur: Or they listen to music that comes as singles. Not everything is intended to be an album, or requires a context. 19.41.36 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 19.42.01 # what is a single? 19.42.06 # :P 19.42.28 # Hansmaulwurf: The free downloads from They Might Be Giants, notably. :-P 19.42.43 # fuck music 19.42.46 # speaking of that 19.42.49 # im on level 50 of bubbles. 19.42.54 # like omg. 19.42.56 # now THAT is a statement :P 19.43.04 # 50 level of bubbles? 19.43.08 # yes. 19.43.12 # i have only 11 on rockbox 19.43.31 # what? you lie/ 19.43.36 # no 19.43.38 # wiat 19.43.39 # or do youmean you only played to level 11 19.43.44 # no 19.43.45 # hmm 19.43.58 # i *have* only 11 levels 19.43.58 # it wont let you go to a level you havent played yet 19.44.00 # on my h140 i have nothing but full albums, but i like listening to it on shuffle every once in a while 19.44.22 # and it can be rather nice when crossfaded 19.44.34 # hearing a classical song fade into rap, etc 19.45.00 # (actually i don't remember whether i have any rap albums on it yet.. but definitely some heavier stuff) 19.45.01 # i use the shuffle function almost always 19.45.16 # i play bubbles 19.45.19 # though now that there's actually "album shuffle" available i've been using that for the last few days 19.45.38 # "album shuffle? 19.45.42 # doesnt "album" play for liek 60 minutes? 19.45.54 # when the fuck do you find 60 minutes to listen to stuff without interruption 19.46.07 # let alone more than 60 minutes to let it shuffle :P 19.46.27 # Some people actually have the capability of listening to music *while* they work. 19.46.44 # dongs: when i at home and doing stuff like cooking, doing stuff for university 19.46.54 # etc. 19.47.13 # or driving alone 19.47.20 # Hansmaulwurf: yeah.. randomly inserts all folders in a subtree, by folder, creating a random-album-mode 19.47.23 # i can't work while not listening to music 19.47.57 # i hate music 19.48.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 19.48.24 # Hansmaulwurf: so are you sure you only have 11 levels of bubbles? 19.48.36 # dongs: wow you're in the wrong channel then 19.48.43 Quit obo ("KVIrc 3.2.0 'Realia'") 19.48.50 # dongs: i didnt play it for some weeks but i remember i had only 11 levels 19.48.52 # Hansmaulwurf: what happens when you finish level 11? 19.48.54 # or maybe 12, but not more 19.49.19 # hm 19.49.25 # "game over" or something 19.49.37 # no, i finished the lelvel 19.49.49 # hmm 19.49.56 # weird 19.50.01 # i found a bug just after it was committed, and that was on level 23 or somethengi 19.50.05 # game over sounds like you failed it 19.50.26 # Mikachu: i try to reach that levle 19.50.28 # level 19.50.43 # you can start on the last one you reached 19.51.13 # yes 19.51.15 # by scrolling 19.51.19 # thats how im on level 59 19.51.20 # er 19.51.21 # 50 19.51.34 # level 40 was a bitch 19.52.16 # then after that it was some easy ones 19.52.32 # somewhere near 50 was really cool, with proper aiming yo ucould nail the whole level in like 2 steps 19.52.38 # because shit near the top was open 19.52.50 # and it would bounce off all the shit below 19.53.25 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.53.30 # ISNT THAT GREAT?? 19.53.47 # yes that sounds like level 1-10 19.54.04 # no u 19.55.24 # 50 > 10 19.56.23 # http://specific.phone.lv/products.phtml < huhushuffle is fucking great 19.59.24 Quit linuxstb ("Leaving") 20.04.15 # * Falco98 scratches his head 20.04.27 # * Mikachu hides the fleas 20.04.34 # i didn't do it 20.06.25 Quit Genre9mp3 () 20.06.49 # *whistles* 20.06.51 # wow you guys sure talk a lot!!! :P 20.06.58 # hehe 20.07.07 # heh, you too :) 20.07.35 # well... errr maybe! 20.17.45 # * dongs drops a pin 20.18.57 # * dongs drops another 20.20.47 Join exoduz [0] (n=exo@ip56554be8.adsl-surfen.hetnet.nl) 20.22.08 Quit Ribs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.23.14 Quit anathema ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 20.23.43 # * dongs drops a box of pins into #rockbox and watches every idle user get sporked 20.24.20 Join Ribs [0] (n=ribs@riblet.plus.com) 20.24.28 # is rockbox also ont he 3th gen ipod 4 gig mini? 20.25.02 # There's no 3rd gen mini... 20.25.13 # oh ok 20.25.29 # Which iPod are you talking about exactly? 20.25.41 # eh the 4 gig one its a Mini 20.26.02 # oh no its 6 Gig but its still Mini 20.26.49 # Well, if I recall we support 1st and 2nd gen minis. But, just for identifying which one you've got: http://ipodlinux.org/Generations 20.27.16 # ipodlunix 20.29.28 # bah... kibble was more fun ;) 20.29.37 # any downside to the ipod video vs the ipod photo? 20.30.30 # ye i got ipod 2nd gen 20.30.36 # mini one of 6 gb 20.31.36 # quan: price, maybe? 20.31.45 # Falco98, re: rockbox 20.32.16 # exoduz: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodPort 20.32.58 # quan: The Photo has better battery life and playback in Rockbox right now I believe, though at this very moment it's less stable (all 4Gs are I understand). 20.35.26 # For iPod 4G (Grayscale) users - bootloader-4g.bin, < does that include grayscale 6 gig ? 20.35.32 # my 4g crashes a lot 20.35.39 # with rockbox 20.35.46 # think a 5g would be more stable? 20.35.56 # what the shit 20.36.05 # ipidlunix says they will never support the shuffle 20.36.09 # ?? 20.36.47 # nm G = geneartion :< 20.37.05 # define "crashes a lot" 20.37.11 # where does it crash 20.38.05 # omg i want my clicky sounds when spinning wheel 20.38.20 # halp!11 20.39.20 # is anyone working on disassembling and documenting apple:s ipod firwmare? 20.39.26 Join sockerteze [0] (n=sockerte@pool-72-64-42-135.nrflva.east.verizon.net) 20.39.34 # if so plz point me towards that place 20.40.05 # dongs: randomly during song playback 20.40.17 Quit Poka64 ("back soon") 20.40.29 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 20.40.37 # is your battery low? 20.41.05 # dongs: It's a common problem on 4Gs. It's just a bug in Rockbox that's turned out difficult to track down. 20.41.22 # nice 20.41.26 # quan: Have you tried earlier builds? 20.42.17 # thats what I gotta do now 20.42.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: I'm not sure if anyone has even tried to track it down. I haven't had any time recently, but have noticed random freezes on my 4g Color with a build from about a week ago. 20.43.57 # http://ipodlinux.org/Firmware#Reverse_Engineering 20.43.58 # oh yay 20.44.08 # lol useless 20.44.12 # 3 lines of shit 20.44.20 # linuxstb_: Well, it's at least still known to be agitated by CPU frequency changes, or at least, people are as recently as today talking about how setting the boost on causes theirs to crash less / not at all (though of course, it could be placebo for the "less" people). So even though nobody's really trying to track it down (shouldn't be during 3.0 freeze anyway) it's at least not completely unknown. :) 20.45.41 Quit sockerteze ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.0.7/20050915]") 20.46.36 # what's the news about 3.0? Will the feature freeze be extended until June? 20.46.45 # guys i want to hack the gibson 20.47.15 # XavierGr: I don't think anyone's even suggested extending it past the 29th. 20.47.44 # yes I meant 29 20.47.57 # It's definitely a recent problem for me - i.e. it started a few weeks after the CPU boosting was introduced, so the CPU boosting isn't top of my list of suspects. 20.49.22 # linuxstb_: Well, note I simply said "agitated by CPU frequency changes" :-P You listen to a lot of FLAC though, right? Or am I remembering incorrectly. 20.49.58 Join [TCK] [0] (i=TCK@81-178-149-3.dsl.pipex.com) 20.50.00 # Yes, that's true. 20.50.49 # I was actually wondering if it has something to do with the triggered boost to refill the PCM buffer, rather than actually the act of boosting itself... 20.52.43 # why does rockbox skip if you play mp3aand scroll menus 20.52.46 # and apple fw doesnt skip 20.52.52 # i want my $0 back immediately! 20.52.57 # because rockbox is in development :> 20.53.10 # Feel free to write a better scrollwheel driver. 20.53.25 # i dont think scrollwheel is the problem lol 20.54.17 # Everything is the problem at the moment. 20.54.33 # If I recall, the scrolling creates a flood of interrupts and thus causes playback skips because our codecs aren't as fast as they could be, right? 20.55.18 # we should just like 20.55.25 # extract mp3 decoder from apple firmware 20.55.32 # and load it as a binary image. 20.55.39 # Paul_The_Nerd: Yes, and it's also the LCD driver being slow. 20.55.40 # loool then it will be fast 20.56.04 # i saw some attempts to do region updates on lcd 20.56.09 # linuxstb_: And I heard font drawing in general was slow on color screens. 20.56.13 # but then the function calls repaint on entire screen 20.56.27 # amirite? 20.56.30 # or did i miss somethign 20.57.12 # more liek copyrightviolationbox 20.57.23 # (when you take apple mp3 decoder + rockbox) 20.57.49 # also i very much disagree with current way of handling various hardware 20.57.51 # by using #ifdef 20.58.05 # i think ipod shit should be all moved into its own files 20.58.31 # or even better, all hardware/platform specific shit should be separate 20.58.32 # That's what the target tree system is in the process of achieving. 20.58.39 # #if dongs #else blah #etc etc gets really annoying 20.59.02 # it should happen soon 20.59.09 # before peopel get bored of stuff that doesnt work 20.59.10 # :D 20.59.34 # like if i wanna fix fading on nano 20.59.37 # i dont care about iriver 20.59.40 # or some other trash. 21.00.29 # fucking 4am 21.00.32 # enoguh of this 21.00.32 # bye 21.00.33 # But as a Rockbox developer you have to care about all targets... 21.00.38 # well 21.00.47 # the problem is 21.00.53 # it shouldnt be bunched up in one file 21.00.59 # if you really "care" about your targets. 21.01.03 Quit TCK (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.34 # I don't think it's going to hurt the code's feelings due to cramped conditions. 21.02.09 # But it's been proposed to create a tree structure for various hardwares to separate things into a more organized file structure. If you think it should happen soon, maybe you should start implementing it? 21.02.25 # a greatly thought out hardware abstraction layer which deals with things like audio/lcd/whatever would go a long ways, but then you ahve some lunatics who want shit like spdif recording or some other insanity, so shit gets hacked on top of other shit and you got a big problem. 21.02.38 # Paul_The_Nerd: why hasnt anyone done that yet. 21.02.50 # I notice you're talking alot for not doing it. 21.03.05 # dongs: Because it's only recently become a problem. 21.03.17 # i have a job and a family to take care of, and not sort through thousands of lines of amateur code 21.03.25 # linuxstb_: i thoguht so. because you only recently started supporting more than 2-3 platforms. 21.03.44 # dongs: are you little cretin who was trolling here last night? 21.03.56 # trolling? me? 21.04.00 # good work 21.04.43 # dongs: Many of the rest of the devs have jobs, families, and other draws on their time too. You aren't more important than them. If you want something done soon, do it. Otherwise, don't complain that it's not done yet. 21.05.42 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC") 21.06.07 Join DrMoos [0] (i=DrMoos@m42.net81-66-158.noos.fr) 21.06.39 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-50-46.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.07.40 Quit Moos (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 21.08.43 # anyway. as i was saying. 21.08.45 # sleeptime 21.11.08 # dongs you call iriver trash 21.11.20 # my my... look who's talking. 21.11.39 # but I will stop DAP flamewars right now//// 21.11.58 Join Albright [0] (n=Albright@ip70-191-56-107.sd.sd.cox.net) 21.12.33 # Okay, so I have an iPod, and I've been using iTunes to get the songs on and off... 21.12.51 # And then using the "Force Tag Cache Rebuild" (or whatever) feature to get the songs to show up in RockBox... 21.13.14 # yes and? 21.13.25 # But is there a way to do it so I don't have to rebuild Tag Cache every time I move songs on or off the device? 21.13.32 # Maybe have it just rebuild it every time it starts up or something? 21.13.38 # Automatically? 21.13.50 # If you have dircache enabled, and tagcache set to "Memory" it should 21.13.55 # AFAIK no, you have to rebuild 21.14.02 # :| 21.14.06 # then I am talking bs 21.14.26 # Hmm, okay, I'll try that. Thanks.\ 21.14.30 # You'll boot Rockbox after having moved new songs onto the player. Dircache should do its thing in the background. Then, once dircache has added them, the next time you reboot the player they should automatically be added to tagcache. At least, that's how it's worked for me. 21.14.48 # Ah, so I still have to reboot it... 21.15.21 # * Paul_The_Nerd shrugs. 21.15.28 # It's a fairly new feature. 21.15.49 # Okay, I'll try it. 21.15.53 # You could always just organize your music in a filetree, and not have to deal with any of this. :-P 21.16.29 # Yeah, maybe I'll do that if I'm sure I want to stick with RockBox. Still just testing it out. 21.16.30 # Tagcache lacks quite a few things which means I don't use it :D 21.16.50 # like what? 21.17.01 # preglow: Inserting Albums/Folders/Levels into a playlist. 21.17.09 # ouch 21.17.12 # Yeah 21.17.15 # why doesn't that work? doesn't sound very hard 21.17.20 # Oh, also, have any studies been done on battery consumption using RockBox versus using Apple's default firmware? 21.17.28 # it's way worse 21.17.29 # no studies 21.17.40 # i need to update the playlist code to handle the tagtree structure -- currently it's filetree specific 21.17.40 # but yeah, it's a preliminary port 21.17.41 # What's way worse? RockBox? 21.17.47 # hardeep: ahh, right 21.17.50 # Albright: rockbox yes 21.18.23 # I thought as much. :( I was using it last night, and the battery seemed to drain much faster than it ever has in the past... I've never completely drained it in one night before. 21.19.19 # Yes 21.19.29 # To playlist insertion thing. 21.21.09 # Albright: what player? 21.21.23 # iPod nano, 4GB 21.21.31 # nano has about ten hours play time now, i think 21.21.43 # With RockBox? 21.21.45 # yep 21.21.47 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-146-093.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.21.51 # it's even worse with the hard disk players 21.21.59 # Hmm. Then maybe my battery wasn't full... 21.22.15 # i'm not sure about the battery time 21.22.20 # it probably changes from time to time 21.22.22 # Well, it can depend on format, bitrate, and if you have EQ set and stuff too. 21.22.54 # and how much you touch it 21.23.00 # Indeed 21.23.24 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 21.23.39 Quit Albright ("Leaving") 21.29.33 # i'm koo koo for coca puffs! 21.30.03 # I'm koo koo for shut the fuck up 21.30.42 # oh no! that hurts! 21.31.29 # ^ 21.31.53 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.33.56 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-87-77.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.36.45 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.38.14 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 21.39.31 Part Paul_The_Nerd 21.49.37 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.09.58 Quit buraianto (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.11.40 Quit Poka64 ("back soon") 22.12.14 Join buraianto_ [0] (n=chatzill@64.90.198.6) 22.12.16 Nick buraianto_ is now known as buraianto (n=chatzill@64.90.198.6) 22.15.16 Quit linuxstb_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 22.17.24 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 22.25.36 Quit exoduz ("Leaving") 22.42.26 Join Eddward [0] (n=Eddward@64.211.117.125) 22.47.10 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 22.47.20 # Is mod file support in plan at all? On the web site it looks like it was toyed with but that it's not really planned for any particular release. 22.49.01 # there's a patch for it 22.49.07 # haven't tried it, but people says it works 22.49.08 # i've an idea! 22.49.12 # another of my great ideas... 22.50.18 Quit Poka64 ("XChat 2.6.1") 22.51.42 # do we know if the freeze extension is taking place or not? 22.52.22 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.53.26 # probably is 22.54.08 # no one wants to hear my idea... i guess they've all been sucky... oh well... 22.54.11 # heheh... 22.55.03 # sharpe: why don't you just tell it.. 22.55.48 # because... i don't know... 22.56.13 # * amiconn_ appears 22.56.21 Quit amiconn (Nick collision from services.) 22.56.21 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 22.56.50 # * amiconn learned today that there is an MMC4.1 protocol 22.57.01 # Finally, MMCs >4GB are possible 22.57.22 # the idea itself is kind of redundant, and doesn't seem very useful at the moment... sort of the same concept as a .dll, or .lib... 22.57.26 # The new limit is 2TB 22.57.28 # isn't MMC done with 22.57.40 # then again 22.57.45 # I have no idea what we're talking about 22.58.12 # it would be, except that SD association membership is insane 22.58.29 # * petur looks if he can order a 2TB MMC :) 22.58.42 # No, not yet 22.58.51 # The largest ones are 4GB afaik 22.58.52 # * petur is pretty sure his devices won't take such a card :) 22.58.53 # i may try to hack something up to get an example working... 22.59.00 # * amiconn ordered a 4GB card today :) 22.59.14 # ok, so we ARE talking about MultiMedia Cards then? 22.59.21 # yeps 22.59.22 # I thought those were dead. 22.59.27 # Not at all 22.59.27 # * sharpe feels pressured to use /me... 22.59.34 # upped by SD 22.59.48 # thought my damned n-gage was the last thing to take those things ) 22.59.53 # :) 23.00.05 # SD and MMC are very similar, but the MMC protocol is open (well, kinda) unlike the SD protocol 23.00.32 # And SD slots are almost always MMC compatible (but seldom vice versa) 23.00.35 # MMC is an open alternative, despite SD being more capable 23.00.37 # There are to ways to solve this problem: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/5330 23.00.40 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 23.00.58 # either add some glyphs to the default font or remove some chars from the default kbd layout 23.01.12 # The second one is easyer of course :) 23.01.22 # BHSPitLappy: It seems a number of newer nokia phones take MMCs, those capable of playing mp3 23.01.38 # I've seen miniSD in phones 23.01.49 # SD being the successor to MMC... 23.02.09 # sharpe: ok 23.02.34 # oh, didn't realize anyone was paying attention 23.02.36 # :) 23.02.41 # SD isn't a successor, it's a (very similar) parallel development 23.03.36 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 23.03.49 # since SD slots are back-compatible with MMC, but MMC slots don't read SD, I just assumed one was ahead of the other. 23.04.06 # I see it as calling the Game Boy A 23.04.18 # *Advance parallel to the Game Boy Color 23.05.10 # it's more like you drive a piece of shit car, and someone offers you a brand new limo to drive you around, but you are required to pay $12,000 annual membership to a club 23.05.23 # if it were me? i'd keep driving the piece of shit car. 23.05.48 # amiconn: do you also think all the glyphs of the default vkeyboard should be visible with the default font? 23.06.17 # markun: 1/4 1/2 and 3/4 are standard iso8859-1, so I wonder why they don't work with our default font... 23.06.37 # SD would be an interesting way to hold albums though 23.06.49 # in FLAC format, it could almost be reasonable 23.09.06 Quit [TCK] (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.09.51 # markun: These glyph positions are even defined in our default font, just the bitmaps are all-zero... 23.10.45 # Someone needs to fill in the bitmaps with a bdf capable font editor 23.15.34 # yes, that would be the best way to solve this bug 23.16.08 # i could imagine it will be dificult to design the characters that they fit for the width and height of the default font. 23.18.20 # I know whom to ask... 23.21.25 # does anyone know a command line untility that will cut x frames of an mp3? 23.22.24 # does 'shared code library' sound good for a name of something that is self-explanitory? 23.23.07 # sharpe: why would we want anything like that? 23.23.20 # we don't, it's just an idea :) 23.24.05 # like a, 'see if i can do it' kind of thing. 23.27.16 Join anathema [0] (n=3efe2012@labb.contactor.se) 23.28.44 # Before I post something stupid.. wavpack works fine on ipod rockbox, right? 23.30.18 # any ipod owners here who tried wavpack? 23.34.12 # Hmm, is there a problem? 23.34.20 # I didn't try yet, but I could 23.34.53 Quit Acksaw (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 23.36.02 # i have 23.36.10 # amiconn: there was a guy talking about q10 ogg transcoded from wavpack sources. He says space doesn't matter to him so I wanted to suggest him to stick with wavpack 23.36.31 # wavpack works fine 23.36.36 # ok, thanks 23.36.49 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.37.59 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 23.40.13 # oggvorbis at q10? may as well use FLAC 23.40.36 # there's a breaking point between oggvorbis q5 and q6, IIRC 23.40.54 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-12-83.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.41.04 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 23.41.13 # the filesize grows unusually, and for a mildly noticable increase in quality 23.41.16 # jnc: Why should he recode his wavpack files to flac? 23.41.25 # what is wavpack 23.41.30 # i've never heard of this 23.41.31 # lossless 23.41.47 # FLAC is a standard lossless format that I know to be well tested and documented 23.41.58 # but wavpack? ... 23.42.11 # Well, he has his CDs ripped in wavpack already.. 23.42.13 Join scottder [0] (n=sdexter@ip70-188-142-96.ri.ri.cox.net) 23.42.31 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.42.48 Quit PaulJam (".") 23.44.36 Quit tim66 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 23.45.21 # * jnc reads up on WavPack 23.47.59 # interesting 23.51.28 # WavPack is very nice 23.51.54 # it does seem worth further investigation 23.51.56 # sure is 23.52.08 # is WavPack patent encumbered? 23.52.19 # no 23.52.31 # i think it's based on fairly standard techniques, just like flac 23.53.00 # Hmm, wavpack boosts a lot on ipod 23.53.24 # amiconn: can you also try flac? 23.53.27 Join nudel [0] (i=nudel@dyn-62-56-118-146.dslaccess.co.uk) 23.53.45 # what do y'all think of FLAC versus WavPack 23.53.58 # amiconn: it depends on the file 23.54.03 # amiconn: -h encoded files boost more 23.54.08 # they seem similar enough to me. what have you used, and what are your thoughts? 23.54.09 # flac is faster 23.54.21 # jnc: Depends what you're looking for. You can't go wrong, though 23.54.32 # i'd like to archive my physical CD albums 23.54.36 # exactly 23.54.39 # jnc: both are nice, but wavpack has more interesting formats, if you ask me 23.54.46 # and it compresses slightly better than flac 23.54.53 # so that i can make a bit-for-bit identical CDR out of it, if i need to 23.54.57 # WavPack lossy + correction is still the most interesting feature to explore. 23.54.58 # preglow: Iirc I used -h when creating my test album. Likewise I used flac -8 (or whatever it was called) 23.54.58 # jnc: s/formats/features/ 23.55.37 # Boost ratio is ~70%, higher than mp3 23.55.38 # hm 23.56.24 # is there a case where FLAC works better 23.56.35 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.57.02 # jnc, you follwing a thread on HA? :) 23.57.17 # i've read some threads there i think 23.57.49 # my CD collection is currently ripped in an old beta of oggvorbis 23.57.49 # Opps not HA....Head-Fi :) 23.58.05 # Here's a nice one on HA http://www.hydrogenaudio.org/forums/index.php?showtopic=43906 23.58.14 # i'd like to re-do this once, and not have to do the physical work more than just once 23.58.17 # so it's gotta be accurate 23.58.28 # yeah, i'm planning the same 23.58.32 # i'm gonna rip to wavpack, i think 23.58.57 # As long as you pick an open codec, its guaranteed that your files will be playable in the future.