--- Log for 17.05.106 Server: clarke.freenode.net Channel: #rockbox --- Nick: logbot- Version: Dancer V4.16 Started: 1 month and 22 days ago 00.00.02 # probably :) 00.00.07 # Otherwise the rwps wouldn't be there when you plug in the remote 00.00.20 # (or any other remote lcd content for that matter) 00.00.25 # :) 00.00.51 # amiconn - ok but for example the scrolling thead could be idle 00.01.18 # Rendering the remote lcd isn't much cpu load - the remote is monochrome, the framebuffer just 1KB 00.01.37 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 00.01.53 # The major cpu drain is the remote lcd transfer - that of course doesn't happen when no remote is plugged 00.01.55 # amiconn mm, true. but for those of us who don't even have a remote, would disabling it much/any difference 00.02.06 # sure 00.02.25 # "isn't much cpu load" 00.03.10 # but probably too much for people w/o remote at all :) 00.03.30 # just registered with nickserv :-P 00.03.37 # Hmm. Sleeping the remote scroll thread while no remote is plugged is probably a good idea 00.04.03 # amiconn - thanks (I suggested it previously but no-one bought it) 00.04.14 # The display doesn't need to be time-exact when plugging the remote 00.04.15 # indeed 00.04.17 # right 00.04.44 # The scrolling lines would still be set up, but they wouldn't scroll "in the dark" 00.04.49 # yep 00.06.01 # * Moos turns off his mind after a bloody hard day 00.06.11 # night or whatever all 00.06.15 Quit Moos ("Glory to Rockbox !!!") 00.08.40 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-178-196-27.dsl.pipex.com) 00.08.48 # Looks like an easy thing to add.... 00.09.52 # I had a look and it looked like it would be a two-liner (just putting a Continue in the scroll thread loop), but maybe there's a smarter Rockboxy way to turn off that thread 00.10.27 # A continue would make the thread still wake up every cycle 00.10.38 # There's a better way (needing 3 lines) 00.10.49 # wow, every cycle? :) 00.11.05 # Every 'delay' cycles 00.11.12 # ah heh 00.11.21 # That depends on how your scroll speed is set 00.11.45 # BTW - I use the fastest scroll speed with 1-pixel scrolling :) 00.11.45 # if (remote_initialized) 00.11.45 # queue_wait_w_tmo(&remote_scroll_queue, &ev, delay); 00.11.45 # else 00.11.45 DBUG Enqueued KICK amiconn 00.11.45 # queue_wait(&remote_scroll_queue, &ev); 00.12.04 # amiconn - yeah, something like that ;-) 00.12.42 # ..in place of the queue_waitw_tmo() 00.13.41 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 00.13.59 Nick PaulJam_ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3033.gwdg.de) 00.15.02 Quit lodesi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.16.17 Join JdGordon [0] (i=jonno@c211-28-95-208.smelb1.vic.optusnet.com.au) 00.17.06 Join dj-fu [0] (n=deejay@202-169-221-143.worldnet.co.nz) 00.18.15 # i must have a cut on the side of my tongue. :( 00.25.37 Join afruff23 [0] (n=icechat5@c-69-138-162-228.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 00.28.11 # In the dual-boot bootloader for the X5. how can I choose which version of Cowon's FW I want to use? 00.28.31 # does it just use the version of Cowon's FW that was on the X5 before flashing with the dual-boot bootloader? 00.31.16 Part stripwax 00.32.22 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 00.33.45 Quit Strath (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.00 Quit lostnihilist (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 00.34.08 Quit dc_ ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 00.34.14 # can anbody answer my second question with yes or no? I don't need an explanation. 00.36.31 Quit SevenIsPrime ("Leaving") 00.40.03 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 00.44.54 Part LD 00.46.02 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 00.46.36 Quit {EDF}SS () 00.46.38 # does the X5 dual-bootloader just use the version of Cowon's FW that was on the X5 before flashing with the dual-boot bootloader? 00.48.39 # afruff23: did you read this? http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5289 00.48.47 # yes 00.48.57 # "have original x5-fw.bin in your build-x5-bootloader dir" 00.49.08 # don't know where to get that though 00.49.29 # but on iaudiophile forums, a guy said it uses the FW that was on it before 00.49.33 # I doubt it though 00.49.39 # whcih is why I asked to make sure 00.49.56 # Why do you doubt that? 00.50.48 # so he's right? 00.51.21 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 00.51.25 # http://iaudiophile.net/forums/showpost.php?p=84001&postcount=119 00.51.29 # that's the psot 00.51.38 # maybe I paraphrased it wrong 00.51.52 # Hm, no, it uses the iaudio firmware image on this site I think: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IaudioBoot 00.52.50 # the dualboot is in the patch tracker 00.53.01 # sorry if I misunderstand you 00.53.25 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@pool-71-255-57-89.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 00.54.00 # I don't see him saying anything about the firmware that was on it before 00.54.17 # H#mod is the firmware that was on it ebfore 00.54.34 # his instructions don't make sesne 00.54.44 # The make sense to me 00.54.48 # he enver mentions ever putting the dual-boot on to the player itself 00.55.31 # he jsut says put the H3mod firmware on the X5(H3mod is hacked version of the original firmware) and the dualbootlaoder is now installed 00.55.41 # No, h3mod is not a firmware 00.55.58 # h3mod is a tool to change an existing firmware (including the dual boot firmware) 00.56.18 # yes, whcih results in a new bin file 00.56.20 # correct 00.56.22 # ? 00.56.27 # sure 00.57.25 # And if you use the dual boot firmware and change it with h3mod the result will still be dual boot 00.57.31 # so in step #2, is he saying to copy the H3mod FW over or the dual-boot FW? 00.58.02 # Yes, and the h3mod firmware is dual boot.. 00.58.21 # Think about it some more, I'm going to sleep 00.58.23 # Good night 00.59.45 Join Strath [0] (n=mike@dpc67143207026.direcpc.com) 01.02.03 Join yuriks [0] (n=yuriks@201-35-129-84.smace701.dsl.brasiltelecom.net.br) 01.02.06 # Hi 01.03.52 Quit Acksaw ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.03 :: www.XLhost.de )") 01.05.25 Quit lostnihilist (Remote closed the connection) 01.09.56 Join pjo [0] (n=pjo@i60-34-32-216.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp) 01.10.32 # Hello! I just installed RockBox into iPod Photo, but could anyone help me how to find the music ? 01.10.51 # there is no file browser 01.11.13 # did you transfer the files using iTUnes? 01.11.25 # pjo: what do you mean, there is no file browser? 01.12.17 # you can't view files transferred to your iPod unless they were copied to it as a drive ltter 01.12.21 # letter* 01.12.22 # in the first screen menu, i do not see the file browser item, music were transfered by iTunes 01.12.27 # i.e. no software 01.12.36 # use foobar's foo_pod plugin 01.12.41 # to sort the databse 01.12.44 Join `wutwut [0] (i=mixup@ip70-162-120-243.ph.ph.cox.net) 01.12.54 # ok i will try thanks 01.13.11 # first screen menu? you mean, the first screen that comes up when you boot rockbox? 01.13.38 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/IpodFAQ#How_do_I_access_music_that_I_hav 01.13.53 # pjo, read that 01.17.18 # yes 01.17.29 # that's the filebrowser. 01.18.08 # ok 01.18.20 # i am installing foo 01.18.44 # but make sure you read the link I gave you 01.20.07 # i am reading it now thanks 01.21.22 # does foo change the file names already in iPod ? 01.21.54 # pjo, what model are you using? 01.22.16 # ah, photo.. well, i tried foo_pod, it didn't work for me. why not just use TagCache? 01.22.35 # oh scarely 01.22.35 Quit wooo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 01.22.50 # scarely? 01.22.50 # mine is Photo 60G 01.22.53 # tagcache is quick and supported and configurable. 01.23.03 # afruff23, you *really* can't tell what that means? 01.23.33 # no, I can't 01.23.39 # take out the l. 01.23.59 # that threw me off ;) 01.24.17 # and it seems out of cotnext 01.24.20 # context* 01.24.29 # out of context how? 01.24.45 # how is it scary? 01.24.55 # BTW, there's no "e" 01.25.07 # i meant to damage the existing music files.... 01.25.13 # i know, but you should at least be able to tell what "scarey" means. 01.25.20 # it won't damge the files 01.25.28 # damage* 01.25.31 # pjo, you don't need to touch a thing for your files. just use rockbox's TagCache feature. 01.25.37 # ok that is what I wanted to know thanks 01.25.37 # you have to first copy it to your PC 01.25.57 # pjo, i wouldn't suggest trying it. i had to recopy everything after i messed around with foo_pod. 01.26.01 # TagCache, I do not have to install it ? 01.26.05 # no 01.26.14 # pjo, Pentagon Releases Video of Sept. 11 Attack 01.26.15 # 1010 Wins, NY - 17 minutes ago 01.26.17 # oops. 01.26.18 # you have to change file view to ID3 database 01.26.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/TagCache 01.26.37 # and you ahve to force tag cache to update for the first time 01.26.38 # yes I am reading it now 01.27.06 # but why I have to copy music files to PC ? though I already did it using yamipod 01.27.22 # pjo, what? you don't.. 01.27.55 # I mean to run TagCache, do I have to copy music files to PC ? 01.28.04 # no, it doesn't say that anywhere. 01.28.21 # you just do a few things on your iPod, and it's enabled. 01.28.25 # afruff23 wrote that 01.28.41 # he doesn't know what he's talking about, I think :) 01.28.48 # ok 01.29.05 # what is the significance of the pentagon video ? 01.29.20 # pjo, it was my mistake, meant to paste the TagCache link. 01.29.37 # oh but it looks interesting 01.29.48 # I was tlaking about foo_pod when I said copy files to PC 01.29.58 # afruff23, why would you need to copy files to your PC? 01.30.03 # oh thanks 01.30.15 # I don't knwo, but it's in the drections in the link I posted 01.30.24 # know* 01.30.25 # pjo, yes, apparently a couple of hours ago a video was released of a plane hitting the pentagon. 01.30.55 # are you serious? 01.31.08 # anyway thanks to Loader 2 now I can select APple, RockBox, iPodLinux triple threat !!! 01.32.27 # i am indeed... check any news site, probably front-page everywhere.. 01.32.36 # afruff23, can i ask why you suggested foo_pod instead of TagCache? 01.32.52 # because your filenames will be in order 01.33.19 # why wouldn't they be with tagcache? 01.33.19 # what will happen if I do TagCache then foo ? 01.33.28 # as long as your files are tagged correctly 01.33.40 # because iTUnes places the files in a fodler with soem random filenames 01.33.44 # folder* 01.33.48 # pjo, i wouldn't touch foo, honestly, tagcache works great, foo_pod is not very useful and tends not to work. 01.33.48 # yes 01.33.49 # tagcache doesn't fix that 01.33.54 # afruff23, yes, actually, it does. 01.33.59 # that's why it's called TAG cache, not FILENAME cache. 01.34.06 # fix what ? 01.34.16 # please don't attempt to help people when you have no idea what you're talking about.. *brb* 01.34.17 # I ama ware that it allows you to browse files 01.34.18 # oh fix tag ? 01.34.25 # but it doesn't rename them 01.34.48 # iTunes does not put tags ? 01.35.55 # back. 01.35.57 # tag cache doesn't fix anything. It ssut databases the tags and shows them to you. Sicne you most likely have correct tags since you used apple's firmware before, he suggested tagcache 01.36.01 # if file names are corrected, will Apple firmware play them ? 01.36.02 # no, iTUens has correct tags 01.36.06 # afruff23, no, no *reason* to rename them. 01.36.21 # it SHOWS their tags but doesn't touch the original filenames. 01.36.34 # ok 01.36.43 # if he ever wants to use somethign other than tagcache then he will be begging to have correct filenames 01.36.50 # pjo, tagcache doesn't touch your songs. that way ipod firmware will play them, but tagcache shows you their names but redirects you to the correct file. 01.36.58 # Damn it. I'm finding myself liking the Finnish Eurovision entry. It's so bad it's actually good. 01.37.08 # afruff23, well, this isn't the time or place to deal with that. 01.37.43 # Personally, I prefer file browser and I don't want to limit pjo to just using tagcache 01.38.01 # afruff23, foo_pod doesn't rename them for you. 01.38.04 # also how is he goign to know which file is which when he wants to delte something without software? 01.38.17 # it just updates apple's db to see what files are on the device. 01.38.23 # so this does not pertain to correctly naming songs. 01.38.27 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 01.38.40 # second, he can delete them from itunes, of course. 01.38.40 # I am confused. in PC I can see my music files with all names 01.38.56 # not random names 01.39.01 # pjo, you said your music is transferred from itunes. 01.39.20 # yes and I copied it back to PC using other tool 01.39.25 # alright.. 01.39.32 # midkay, I said without software 01.39.44 # afruff23, you can't delete things from the ipod firmware without software. 01.39.48 # not like it's that important. 01.40.54 # pjo, so your music is stored on your iPod with random filenames in hidden folders. 01.40.54 # what happens if I delte an apple FW-recognized file using the filebrowser and I don't update the iTuens DB? 01.41.08 # let me check 01.41.21 # afruff23, maybe the db would update itself when you plugged it back in? 01.41.44 # but say I don't plug it back into the PC, what happens? 01.41.50 # this is not a rhetorical question 01.41.54 # it skips over the file in the ipod firmware. 01.42.06 # it shows up but is skipped. 01.42.26 # and i'm not speculating. foo_pod screwed up my database, i had experience with this.. 01.42.47 # I checked the files 01.42.54 # which files? 01.43.19 # all music has a long file name such as 2-04 Partita No. 2 in D-min.m4a 01.43.31 # that's on your pc. 01.43.33 # but the directory name is F04 etc 01.43.41 # this is on iPod 01.44.03 # did you modify anything or use foo_pod? 01.44.13 # i did not use foo 01.44.22 # i did not modify 01.44.35 # i don't know why that happens, maybe some software you ran did it, but itunes copies them over as four letters/numbers per name.. 01.44.46 # ok 01.44.56 # now am I ok to use TagCache ? 01.45.06 # you're ok to use tagcache anywhere anytime.. 01.45.07 # you were always ok to use it 01.45.09 # just follow the instructions. 01.46.28 # but please note that tagcache has some limitations, but wiht properly-tagged files you will not expereince msot of the limitations 01.46.44 # When RockBox is booted I cannot see general settings 01.47.11 # press menu.. 01.47.20 # afruff23, like what limitations? 01.47.32 Join Jd|uni [0] (n=82c20d66@labb.contactor.se) 01.47.39 # hey all 01.48.04 # menu did, Recent Bookmarks, Klank Opsies, ..... but no General Settings 01.48.06 # you can't insert a whole album 01.48.19 Quit dj-fu ("Leaving") 01.48.23 # by god, what a limitation it is.. 01.48.23 # pjo: which composer's partita? :p 01.48.39 # it is Bach 01.48.50 # nice! 01.48.53 # pjo, klank opsies? 01.48.58 # search by year. It shows songs not from the year, but ALL THE songs from the artist who has a song in that year. 01.49.04 # is that a different language? it should be the third entry.. 01.49.12 # afruff23, who browses by year? 01.49.16 # and Algemene Opsies 01.49.20 # it'll be fixed in due time.. 01.49.25 # in other words, if you have 100's of songs from 1 year, then you have to go through a very long list 01.49.58 # the genre in tagcache, and go to untagged. The files show up as filenames with extensions, rather than artists, which would be further subdivided to have the filenames of ONLY non-genre-tagged files. 01.50.03 # afruff23, thanks for the baby explanation, but if anyone needs it, it's you.. tagcache is not perfect, but it's far simpler and quicker than a broken piece of software that will probably mangle your apple database. 01.50.03 # pls tell me how to launch TagCache, s'il vous plait 01.50.32 # pjo, sigh, sigh, sigh. it'd be Algemene Opsies, i think, but select another language, since you can't read that one, apparently. 01.50.59 # what language is this ? 01.51.32 # I am glad I am not french and have to say "s'il vous plait" to say please! 01.51.42 # um, good one, bagawk... 01.51.53 # pjo, i have no idea, but you must have selected it.. 01.52.03 # check .rockbox/langs for english or french if you wish. 01.52.08 # bagawk: it technically means if you please...not just please 01.52.17 # Ohh 01.52.29 # Well the frech have some nice radio 01.52.35 # radioabf is my favorite 01.52.46 Ctcp Ignored 1 channel CTCP requests in 0 seconds at the last flood 01.52.46 # * afruff23 is glad I don't have a rockbox'd iPod and have to deal with all these limitations and risking using bad software 01.52.47 # i managed to change the language to English 01.53.05 # alright, now follow the instructions.. 01.53.34 # I never used foo_pod myself, I was just taking info straight from the iPod faq 01.53.51 # Falco98: u around? 01.54.07 # I clicked Tag Cache and selected Keep on disk 01.54.14 # alright, well, as far as your limitations before, by the way - browsing by year or genre is not possible *at all* without tagcache. 01.54.20 # how do I initiate database creation ? 01.54.20 # pjo, alright, now force an update.. 01.54.41 # how ? 01.54.52 # Well genre is possible with correct directory structure 01.55.00 # but then not year. 01.55.06 # yes you can 01.55.12 # use smart playlists 01.55.20 # such as in foobar2000 01.55.20 # not at the same time, not without duplicate files.. not last i checked.. 01.55.25 # that requires adjustment from a pc. 01.55.37 # pls instruct me how to initiate DB creation ? 01.55.44 # pjo, _force_ _an_ _update_. 01.55.49 # like the instructions say, and like i said. 01.55.57 # i do not see that 01.55.58 # it should be right in the menu. force tagcache update. 01.56.09 # playback menu, right below the keep on disk option. 01.56.10 # oh i was in a wrong menu 01.57.08 # I could not find force_.... in tut 01.57.26 # midkay, do you use tagcache? if so, do you keep it on disk or RAM, or on disk with dircache? 01.57.31 # the underscores were for emphasis. 01.57.41 # after clicking it nothing is displayed to respond it is this ok ? 01.57.42 # afruff23, i use tagcache every day, and i load it to ram. 01.57.51 # pjo, it would splash "updating in background" and then update. 01.58.04 # ok 01.58.44 # whcih iPod do you use? 01.58.49 # @midkay 01.59.12 # 5g 01.59.15 # I'm just wodnering if it draisn your battery a lot loaded to RAM 01.59.29 # currently I load it to disk with dircache on my X5L 01.59.31 # the only way it would affect battery is slighly less RAM.. 01.59.45 # and it's so unnoticeably small of a hit that it's probably maybe a few minutes in total.. 01.59.55 # worth the quick navigation. 02.00.08 # hmm 02.00.12 # is it jsut faster on booting or navigationa s well? 02.00.13 # how do I start rockdoom? 02.00.23 # read the guide 02.00.27 # i clicked a wrong menu and I am now in a directry of photos, how do I exit from here ? 02.00.36 # afruff23, faster always, instant browsing, like dircache, only with the tag browser. 02.00.45 # pjo, um, the left button? 02.00.47 # ok, it says it should be on the plugin list, but it isn't 02.01.02 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/PluginDoom 02.01.05 # it's called 'doom', not 'rockdoom', in the plugins browser. 02.01.17 # left button moves the photo 02.01.21 # nope 02.01.59 # you mean there's nothing called Doom in your plugins list? 02.02.04 # yeah 02.02.07 # how old is your build? 02.02.17 # it's the latest 02.02.20 # excuse me 02.02.24 # I installed it today 02.02.25 # I must confess 02.02.27 # I am a homosexual 02.02.29 # which model? 02.02.31 # please dont hate me 02.02.33 # mini 2g 02.02.43 # it doesn't work on it 02.02.48 # >_< 02.02.52 # we love you preglow. 02.03.00 # midkay: if you are male, I love you too 02.03.05 # ... 02.03.15 # in fact i am. 02.03.29 # then let us make sweet love 02.03.33 # uhh 02.03.35 Quit cismo_ (Success) 02.03.36 # WTF 02.03.36 Part bagawk 02.03.40 # meh, sucks to no have doom =( 02.03.40 # pls help me to exit from photo viewer 02.03.51 # how dare tehy have this kind of convo without me?!? 02.03.53 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 02.04.00 # bagawk, nice dramatic effect.. 02.04.04 # I don't knwo about photo iPod but on the X5 it's a tap of the power button 02.04.10 # please not here 02.04.18 # it's probably menu+ select for you 02.04.22 # what about hold switchage? 02.04.25 # i do not have power button in Photo 02.04.33 # plase /query each other :) 02.04.34 # menu+ok 02.04.36 # not here 02.04.41 # preglow, um, yeah, are you alright? :) 02.04.42 # hold switch nothing happens 02.04.42 # then try menu+select 02.04.56 # meh, should the playback skip every 5 secs with the EQ on? 02.05.00 # bagawk, um.. calm down.. /query yourself if you don't wanna be in the channel :) 02.05.06 # midkay: finally I have taken the step. I am now out of the closet. My life is complete 02.05.15 # this is exactly what #rockbox was created for! 02.05.25 # menu + center worked ! thanks 02.05.38 # I had to use it to exit form a plugin =P 02.05.45 # today I took sthe step. I kissed the boy I love. He his now in kindergarten 02.05.50 # s/his/is 02.06.02 # are you trying to scare me away 02.06.02 # his mother is a tramp 02.06.08 # you know you can just ask ;) 02.06.08 # someone's drunk-ish or something.. 02.06.16 # wtf 02.06.26 # midkay: hahah, its his friend, I am afraid 02.06.32 # I was hoping to slander him 02.06.40 # regrettably he is standing besides me laughing 02.06.41 # all in vain.. 02.06.42 # preglow, cute :) 02.06.46 # (and yes, we are drunk) 02.06.52 # tell him i love crossfeedv2 please. 02.06.56 # we have a petifile in here 02.06.58 # my god 02.07.01 # petifile? HAHA. 02.07.14 # is that some sort of baby file? 02.07.22 # not even google attempts to correct that.. 02.07.30 # more like pederasty! 02.07.54 Join cismo [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-39.kotinet.com) 02.07.56 # PEDOPHILE 02.08.01 # anybody see SNL last week? 02.08.03 # good job. 02.08.05 # thank you. 02.08.14 # should the playback skip every 5 secs with the EQ on? 02.08.23 # preglow: seriously just kill yourself now 02.08.49 # preglow: kindergarten my god 02.08.55 # bagawk: your mother was a hamster 02.09.00 # >_> 02.09.04 # bagawk, goddamn you're funny.. 02.09.17 Part yuriks 02.09.25 # holy fuck 02.09.26 Part bagawk 02.09.28 # i am trying to chnage font size, Browse Fonts, nothing happens 02.09.33 # midkay: I relayed the message 02.09.41 # they are not included anmore with the builds 02.09.47 # go to daily build apge and downlaod 02.09.52 # speaking of kindergarten, im hungry... 02.09.53 # preglow, great, he's probably too drunk to respond, but yay. :) 02.09.53 # page* 02.10.07 # put it in the .rockbox folder 02.10.07 # midkay: haha, he seems quite entertained 02.10.11 # haha. 02.10.28 # also. tell him that.. 02.10.30 # when the DB creation is finished, any message pops up ? 02.10.41 # although i said thanks for the pitch screen suggestions, i deep down really hated him for complaining. 02.10.48 # hopefully he's too drunk to remember that tomorrow, but.. 02.11.10 # he knows that, ghe sats 02.11.12 # says 02.11.20 # great. thanks! 02.11.27 # =) 02.14.07 # HE CALLED ME AWOMAN 02.14.16 # but you are! 02.14.22 # when the DB creation is finished, any message pops up ? 02.14.30 # no 02.14.33 # or how do I know ? 02.14.39 # restart 02.14.56 # can I restart now ? 02.15.25 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-38.kotinet.com) 02.15.30 # yes 02.15.45 # even if it didn't finish, then it will just continue from where it left off 02.15.58 # well.. 02.16.03 # just look for the harddrive activity light. 02.16.06 # -light+icon. 02.16.16 # in the upper right corner of the lcd, on the status bar, next to the click. 02.16.18 # clock. 02.16.23 # when it's not visible, it's done.. 02.16.25 # there is no harddisk activity light on Photo 02.16.33 # midkay: i'm kiund of insensitive when it comes to how i think thinss should be... i'm a bastard 02.16.34 # yes there is, it's a rockbox icon. 02.16.37 # he said look on the LCD 02.16.42 # i'll just retire until i can type gagain 02.16.44 # preglow, haha. i was kidding! ;) 02.16.57 # there is a clock there 02.17.02 # afruff23, in all fairness, he may have begun typing after he saw "light".. 02.17.13 # pjo, and to the right of it.. blank space or an icon? 02.17.14 # ok 02.17.24 Quit cismo_ (Client Quit) 02.17.26 Join cismo_ [0] (i=cismo@adsl-85-217-32-38.kotinet.com) 02.19.40 # after rebooting, i do not see this: 02.19.42 # You may need to increase the value of the "Max files in dir browser" setting (General Settings -> System -> Limits) in order to view long lists of tracks in the ID3 database browser. 02.20.19 # now ok 02.20.23 # midkay: and now that i was hoping for a juicy conflict!!1 02.20.33 # haha. 02.20.37 # well. hm. 02.20.42 # i think you moaned about other things too. 02.20.45 # but anyways. 02.20.59 Quit cismo (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 02.21.02 # pjo, did you have a question? 02.22.24 # pjo, now you have to switch view to ID3 database 02.22.55 # i did 02.23.07 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 02.23.18 # now playing mp3 but it says Codec failure 64K 02.23.28 # mp3 crc 02.24.24 # oh that sucks, that happened to me before in the Uisimulator 02.24.29 # I don't know how to fix it 02.24.36 # but then again I'm a newb 02.24.56 # Is it said i want to set up the simulator just to tinker with my WPS :) 02.25.04 # s/said/sad/ 02.25.08 # if you mean sad, yes. 02.25.23 # Just checkin... 02.25.45 # how is it sad, it really has no other use 02.25.59 # afruff23, hahaha.. 02.26.14 # scottder, somewhat kidding, although testing on-device is not that hard.. 02.26.31 # can RockBox play AAC ? 02.26.35 # it is if your debugging code 02.26.50 # afruff23, right, which is why 'it really has no other use' was pretty funny. 02.26.52 # and you ahve to keep transferring files everytime you change soemthing 02.27.04 # you don't have to be debugging, just some people prefer it instead of testing on device each time. 02.27.21 # afruff23, well, leave your WPS open in an editor, and just add something, save, disconnect, test, reconnect, repeat.. 02.27.46 # yeah, connecting and reconnecting is quite annoying for me 02.27.58 # then use the sim. it's not for some people.. 02.28.28 # however, you do need an actual player to test for certain things 02.28.38 # mp3 192K plays but it stops, not continuous 02.28.41 # i.e. WPSes designed to work in certain light conditions and in the car 02.28.53 # pjo, stuttering is a result of eq or peak meters usually. 02.29.11 # apply a wps without a peak meter 02.29.41 # so how shall I set it ? 02.29.48 # i wonder why people tend to go for the peak meter suggestion when eq is more capable of killing playback.. 02.29.52 # what is wps pls ? 02.29.59 # disable EQ, pjo, or use only one or two bands. 02.30.38 # why does the EQ have such a big impact? on the OF, it didn't make that much an impact on speed 02.31.11 # on the OF? 02.31.17 # original firmware 02.31.20 # woo! parked less than an inch away from the garage door! 02.31.25 # guess what? rockbox isn't the original firmware. 02.31.55 # I know that....I was just wodnerign why rockbox's EQ impacts performance so much greater than the OF's EQ 02.31.59 # i disabled EQ I think but it still stutter 02.32.23 # afruff23, because rockbox is not optimized. 02.32.30 # the same reason peak meters do it. 02.32.38 # codecs haven't been worked on long enough.. 02.32.57 # pjo, how about when you sit in the main menu? 02.32.59 # does it stutter then? 02.33.30 # can I disable peak meter ? 02.33.47 # main manu has no sound 02.34.25 # Yes, the easiest way to do ti without a computer is to jsut apply another WPS 02.34.42 # no sound? 02.34.47 # pls tell me what WPS is 02.34.48 # play a song, then press menu, and sit there. 02.34.56 # ok 02.36.07 # 256K aac it says codec error but at the menu no stutter ! 02.36.31 # is there a peak meter? 02.36.41 # not in the menu 02.36.42 # aac simply doesn't work well. barely at all. 02.36.49 # i mean at the WPS. the while playing screen. 02.36.57 # that displays track info and stuff. 02.37.48 # midkay, guess what! 02.37.52 # what! 02.38.03 # you parked an inch from the garage door? 02.38.06 # i think i may have a neurological problem! 02.38.13 # that too. 02.38.13 # great. 02.38.14 # haha. 02.38.15 # http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2542580036602389550&q=crash 02.38.16 # yep. 02.38.54 # i see peak meter in the player how do i disable peak meter because it sttuter with mp3 128K 02.39.51 # lol 02.39.57 # choose a new theme from Browse Themes in the menu. 02.40.02 # what year was that video recorded? 02.40.12 # windows 98, so probably 97-ish? 02.40.38 # that BSOD seemed fake 02.40.42 # it came in from the side 02.40.46 # didn't it? 02.40.54 Join jpmahala [0] (n=45221b43@labb.contactor.se) 02.41.08 # it did, but that's no reason to think it's fake.. 02.41.19 # maybe that's not an actual live feed, maybe tv-edited or something.. 02.41.39 # the BSOD doesn't normally do that though 02.42.21 Join Farpenoodle [0] (n=solo84@cm68.sigma156.maxonline.com.sg) 02.42.24 # can I bookmark when I want to interrupt playing ? 02.42.37 # afruff23, it NEVER does that. can you not read? 02.42.57 # pjo, you mean bookmark when you stop playing a file? 02.43.08 # so the BSOD never did come up at the event , correct? 02.43.16 # yes, yes, it's all fake, hahaha. 02.43.42 # because when editing video, you HAVE to make things slide in from the left. 02.43.49 # you couldn't just make them appear realistically. 02.43.53 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cb053b01@labb.contactor.se) 02.43.56 # clearly someone was trying to fool you. 02.44.20 # midkay: yes 02.44.30 # no, seriously 02.44.33 # pjo, check general settings - bookmarking - bookmark on stop. 02.44.56 # afruff23, read my message, come up with your own reasoning, or believe it's fake. 02.45.10 # if it's fake, then what caused such a big commotion? 02.45.29 # thanks 02.45.34 # you're advocating that it's fake, not me. from your POV, the sound could be added in too, could it not? 02.45.58 # I still don't get why it came in from the rihgt? 02.46.05 # right* 02.46.19 # the video doesn't explain why, clearly. 02.46.22 # so you have to assume. 02.46.44 # maybe it was like that in the win 98 beta 02.46.51 # very possible. 02.46.54 # maybe it was edited for tv. 02.46.56 # maybe it was fake. 02.47.02 # only maybes, no definite answer. 02.47.40 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 02.47.52 # at the play screen why it says no ID3 tag ? 02.48.48 # in HAlo 2, Bungie included a BSOD 02.48.56 # note: Bungie is owned by MS 02.48.58 # http://static.flickr.com/2/2173504_1752ac798d.jpg?v=0 02.49.15 # nice 02.49.51 # pjo, because you didn't tag it correctly 02.50.10 # see this is where using tagcache can bite you in the arse 02.50.28 # you can't find untagged files easily 02.50.40 # i did not tag it some tools did 02.50.53 # it happenes for AAC file not mp3 02.51.06 # aac file tags are not supported 02.51.13 # ok 02.51.15 # AFAIK 02.51.26 # will AAC playing will be improved anytime soon ? 02.52.03 # not until the feature freeze is over i believe 02.52.09 # ummm.....that's like asking if CHina will become completely democratic 02.52.17 # evetnually but not definitely 02.52.34 # oh so to play aac i should use Apple firmware ? 02.52.38 # yes. 02.52.51 # or rerip the CD into some other format 02.52.59 # hey folks, are ff/rw issues with long wavs a known prob on H1xx's? can't see anything specific in flyspray...but i may have missed it... 02.53.36 # i have so much music in AAC so ....... 02.54.04 # so rockbox isn't for you at the moment. 02.54.20 # does DOOM for RockBox have sound effect ? 02.54.28 # whatboutbob, hm, one of the critical swcodec playback bugs is "LONG rewinds still may not be handled quite right".. 02.54.35 # yes, it does. 02.54.53 # oh then this will be a great reason to use RockBox 02.55.16 # for doom? 02.55.34 # no...for doom sound effects!! 02.55.40 Part pixelma 02.56.01 # doom sound effect I meant 02.56.15 # you didn't say anything wrong 02.56.17 # midkay: bah, so i am just blind. thanks. 02.56.31 # whatboutbob, nah, far from it :) 02.56.36 # it's jsut that I don't really see the pint of needing sound effects for a simple game like Doom 02.56.57 # can I charge battery while using RockBox ? 02.56.58 # you don't, others do.. 02.57.09 # pjo, yes, hold menu button while you insert the charger. 02.57.12 # does dircache only work on iriver players 02.57.18 # or is the manual otudated? 02.57.23 # no, iriver, iaudio, ipod. 02.57.24 # outdated* 02.58.18 # for max files in dir browser, does it count ALL files or just the files in the current folder? 02.58.44 # thanks 02.58.53 # files in the folder, of course. 02.59.03 # if it counts just the files in the current folder, then does it count recursively? 02.59.10 # does it ocunt a folder as a file? 02.59.14 # count* 02.59.18 # .. the number of entries visible in any given folder. 02.59.52 # OH, Visible 03.00.07 # so you could have thousands of non-music files in a folder 03.00.14 # and set display to music 03.00.22 # and it'd work 03.00.24 # yes, that should work. 03.00.41 # I found that displaying menu enables you to enjoy unstuttered 256K AAc ! 03.01.01 # nice. 03.01.04 # so it is an issue on processing power 03.01.14 # but it does not work always 03.01.23 # maybe you can still view the WPS if you disable the peakmeter 03.01.24 # and coding 03.01.54 # yest that is what I want to know how to disable peak level meter for the box theme ! 03.03.38 # can I do it ? 03.04.11 # go to browse themes and choose a theme 03.04.21 Quit Farpnut (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 03.04.54 # other question: I am trying to make the fonts larger, 03.05.03 # i selected box 03.06.23 # hey all.. i need help with this damn assingment again.. i have a file with lines in the form "name:mark", i somehow havew to use sort to sort it by mark (descending) and then by name.. can any1 help? 03.09.04 # when plug in power, Menu button does not work anymore it automatically reboot ! 03.09.05 # open the default .wps file 03.09.09 # and remove the line %pm 03.09.15 # this removes the peakmeter 03.09.28 # if youw ant to keep the default the wps 03.09.57 Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) 03.10.21 # What is car mode for? 03.10.25 # and party mode? 03.10.36 # manual does not include their definitions 03.10.44 # h ow do I access to wps file ? 03.11.06 # from the menu 03.11.34 # i am at the top menu 03.11.54 # general settings/display/browse .wps files 03.11.59 # or browse themes from top 03.12.59 # browse .wps files show three items 03.13.06 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4012902.sympatico.ca) 03.13.13 # and selected the box but editor did not come up 03.14.28 # try to play a file & see if the view has changed 03.14.39 # you can't tell from the browse .wps files 03.14.44 # * XavierGr is confused (or an idiot that can't get the joke)!! 03.14.53 # What happened to preglow? 03.15.19 # he quit 03.15.26 # once I joined 03.16.43 # it is now default rockbox 03.17.24 # how do I edit wps pls ? 03.17.39 # open them in notepad 03.17.48 # on the pc 03.17.55 # you can edit it on the pc with a texteditor 03.17.56 # you mean with Windows ? 03.18.04 # ok 03.18.19 # isn't there a text editor in rb? 03.18.37 # so why I am using "Browse .wps files" ? 03.18.54 # i had bad experiences with the rockbox texteditor 03.19.09 # pjo, I thought you were trying to change the curent wps 03.19.11 # pls tell me how to use it 03.19.22 # use what? 03.19.32 Quit infamis ("CGI:IRC") 03.19.37 # i want to delete peak meter in the default wps 03.19.51 # use editor in rockbox 03.21.50 Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) 03.22.27 # edit the .wps on your pc 03.22.50 # ok 03.23.23 Quit infamis (Client Quit) 03.23.36 # PaulJam: what bad experiences did u have witht he rb text editor? 03.24.53 Join RoC_MM [0] (i=dragon@dsl-29-8.cofs.net) 03.25.11 Join infamis [0] (n=40518b28@labb.contactor.se) 03.25.23 # you can't open files 03.26.16 # you cant open files? 03.26.37 # not that I know of 03.27.18 # you talking about the etxt editor? 03.27.43 # its used as a vierwer... u can open any file with it from open with 03.28.02 # Jd|uni: it removed empty lines, inserted a newline after 128 characters and it added junk at the end of the file 03.28.25 # it's an editor, as you can type stuff or whatever 03.28.28 # How do you save a file in the text editor? 03.28.29 # hopefulyl thats all fixe.d. as soon as some1 commits my patch 03.28.43 # I haven't found that in the documentation. 03.28.49 # jpmahala: exit it and it will ask if u want to save 03.29.06 # hit on & choose 'save changes' or 'save as...' 03.29.15 # How to exit? 03.29.38 # what player? 03.29.46 # ipod 03.29.48 # Can I comment out the %pm line ? with what ? 03.29.54 # hit the on button 03.29.59 # pjo # 03.30.09 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 03.30.14 # ok 03.30.29 # on?? jpmahala: menu and select 03.30.47 # Thanks. I'll try it out. 03.31.18 # or off button 03.35.01 # or power button 03.38.30 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 03.38.41 # http://www.newscientisttech.com/article/dn9176-flybywireless-plane-takes-to-the-air.html <- any1 else not like the idea of this?? 03.40.16 # Jd|uni: i just tried your patch, most of the problems are solved, but it still adds a linebreak after 127 characters 03.41.37 # that makes sense... max line length is 127chars.. i tinhk its time to redesign the editor's internals 03.44.56 # deleting peak meter , now 192K MP3 is played ok with wps ! 03.45.35 # but no with AAc 256K 03.46.28 # now pls tell me if i can enlarge fonts 03.47.42 # You can't enlarge fonts 03.47.48 # instead you have to choose a larger font 03.47.49 # oh pitty 03.48.09 # how can I choose larger font ? 03.48.15 # go to browse fonts 03.48.30 # i did but nothing is displayed 03.48.47 # you need to downlaod fotns from the daily build page on rockbox.org 03.48.59 # put the folder inside the ".rockbox" folder 03.49.10 # ok 03.59.04 Join danly [0] (n=dleslie@dhcp802-2-123.dsl.ucc-net.ca) 04.02.51 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.05.22 Join Falco98 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) 04.05.33 # hey all 04.05.36 # I just got kicked out of a hardware IRC channel because I did not want to buy what a user suggested 04.05.38 # :( 04.05.42 Join XavierGr_ [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp125-208.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.05.43 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.06.04 # I can't find any other IRC channels abotu cell phone chargers 04.06.58 # Jd|uni: you around? 04.07.02 # no 04.07.04 # :p 04.07.06 # hey 04.07.06 # ahh heh 04.07.20 # sorry bout earlier, i accidentally left myself logged in when i went off for dinner 04.07.23 # i got your message 04.07.42 # i agree with you about using "direction" anyway, as long as your tests always catch it ;-) 04.08.00 # im pretty sure it does.. 04.08.12 # i tihnk (and hope) its finally finished 04.08.28 # yeah.. i haven't been able to break it ever since i figured out how to really fix it 04.08.39 # did you end up using my code for that one line? 04.09.09 # replacing i+=direction with if(direction= -1) i++ 04.09.33 # ye 04.09.40 # (and if direction is 1, don't count up at all) 04.09.45 Join mitch` [0] (n=mitch@ANantes-152-1-28-158.w83-195.abo.wanadoo.fr) 04.10.09 # i was half asleep this morning and thinking that you was complety wrong.. but i wokrd dit through properly and figured u were right.. so i appologise 04.10.12 # taht was a fucker to debug 04.10.20 # hi 04.10.25 # just a quick question 04.10.28 # no prob, don't worry bout it 04.10.37 # mitch`: what's your ?? 04.10.54 # to restore my ipod to default settings, i can use ipodpatcher.exe and the bootpartition.bin ? 04.11.16 # settings ro default firmware? 04.11.19 # do you want to restore it fully? or just use the regular ipod software sometimes? 04.11.20 # yeah 04.11.52 # well, i fooled around a bit with it, using various softwares to load music on my ipod other than itunes 04.12.03 # now trying DOOM 04.12.05 # reate a directory called /games/doom/ on your player (e.g. F:\games\doom\ for Windows users - where F: is the drive letter for your DAP) and save the following file in that directory: 04.12.09 # i did so 04.12.13 # and 04.12.25 # Copy the Doom wad(s) you wish to play into that directory and start Doom. The wads doom looks for are: 04.12.39 # when doom plugin is executed, error no wad 04.12.55 # missing base wad 04.13.02 # well, i just want to know in fact if ipod updater restore the ipod to factory defaults state or if the rockbox bootloader is still here ? 04.13.20 # mitch': what softwares did you use to load music? (why not copy the files directly btw?) 04.13.32 # pjo: copy the rockdoom.wad into /games/doom/ 04.13.44 # pjo: have u got prboom.wad AND the game wad u want to play in the /games/doom folder? 04.13.44 # i think i did 04.13.51 # of course when using rockbox i load my music directly with the explorer 04.13.54 # ye, woops, rockdoom, not prboom 04.13.56 # doom doesn't work 04.14.01 # afaik 04.14.05 # but i still use the default firmware for everyday use 04.14.07 # doom does not work ? 04.14.10 # for the battery life 04.14.11 # nope 04.14.21 # so i tried foo_pod 04.14.25 # does rockbox have memcpy? 04.14.25 # infamis, you don't know what you're talking about 04.14.35 # but it ultimately destroyed my ipod database 04.14.36 # lol 04.14.42 # so i did an ipod updater 04.14.43 # i believe, from what i've heard, the restore function wipes it completely clean :-P 04.14.56 # ok =) 04.15.00 # doom1.wad also copied 04.15.03 # afruff23, well why don't you fill me in 04.15.11 # so i have to redo the whole rockbox bootloader thing again =) 04.15.15 # doom does work 04.15.24 # doom1.wad.zip 04.15.27 # (not that it takes much time) 04.15.29 # i did not unzip it 04.15.50 # then unzip it 04.15.53 # shall I unzip it ? 04.15.57 # ok 04.16.06 # well i originally asked cuz you can boot into the ipod software even with rockbox on there... 04.16.16 # yeah i know 04.16.49 # afruff23, doom does not work 04.16.50 # it's just that i didn't know that ipod updater would even erase the bootloader 04.17.03 # pft 04.17.23 # it's had the same problem since apr 16 04.17.27 # that's why i guess the ipodpatcher.exe restore thingy allow you to keep everything but the bootloader 04.17.28 # infamis, what player do you have 04.17.31 # of starting graphics engine 04.17.32 # correct me if i'm wrong =) 04.17.39 # the x5 04.18.00 # I have the X5 as well, but I ahven't put doom on it 04.18.08 # but I know for a fact it works on other players 04.18.18 # lol and I don't know what I'm talking about 04.18.26 # yes, it may work on some 04.18.34 # soem people on iaudiophile claim they got doom to work after following all of the instructions 04.18.41 # then opening metronome 04.18.44 # then openiong doom 04.19.00 # g'nights. 04.19.09 # metronome, what's that got to do with anything? 04.19.17 # or what does it fix? 04.19.32 # Jd|uni: you have an updated version of the patch? 04.19.43 # I don't know what it does exactly to fix , but it jsut works 04.19.46 # just* 04.19.51 # yes, but i cant upload it from uni... 04.20.14 # well, just tried opening metronome & it still didn't work 04.20.38 # you probably didn't follow the instructions verbatim 04.21.01 # ahh 04.21.04 # If I hadn't of followed instructions verbatim, it would've never worked 04.21.15 # can you patch the whole .patch file? i can make a new file from here and put it on flyspray 04.21.20 # umm 04.21.25 # s/patch/paste/ 04.21.29 # The apr 17+ commits broke it; it worked prior to 04.22.08 # well, anyways your statement was doom doesn't work which is fasl 04.22.12 # false* 04.22.17 # Falco98: the only change is that (if direction ==-1) i++; line 04.22.25 # oh yeah, of course 04.22.30 # I disagree...if it works on some but not all, I say it doesn't work 04.22.31 Join Bratnebarbra [0] (n=Me_@203.220.128.230) 04.22.39 # and i've already added that to the patch :-P 04.22.43 # Hi all! 04.22.55 # except that the guy asking has an iPod photo 04.23.00 # i was wondering if anyone knew how to create a nick stealer, its for a friend of mine, 04.23.15 # it's the nick stealer! 04.23.19 # doom is working thanks but how do i quit after selecting quit ? 04.23.36 # Bratnebarbra, um, hi, what? 04.23.49 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@c-67-161-2-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 04.24.14 # ok, but my statement still holds imo 04.24.29 # another quick question :x, if i use ipodpatcher.exe to restore the bootpartition.bin, do i have to do something about the broadcom chipset too ? (i have a 5g) 04.24.41 # i was wondering if anyone knew how to create a nick stealer, its for a friend of mine, 04.25.13 # create a nick stealer? 04.25.17 # what does your friend want to do 04.25.18 # ya 04.25.19 # Bratnebarbra: i believe this is not the right channel for your question 04.25.24 # i think i was referring to a person who may have once used my nick or something. 04.25.59 Quit infamis ("asdf") 04.26.01 # thanks all I must see you later so long 04.26.04 # I'm not afruff23, I'm Steve Jobs 04.26.13 # here to convert you back to Apple FW!!! 04.26.16 # Bratnebarbra: if they have taken your nick that is registered u can kill them, but u need to be registered and have the password 04.26.22 Quit pjo (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- Go on, try it!") 04.28.00 # thats not what i meant jd, 04.28.20 # well then bugger off.. because we rnt helping u steal some1 elses nick 04.29.42 Part Bratnebarbra 04.29.50 # haha that was easy then 04.30.03 Quit XavierGr (Connection timed out) 04.30.41 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 04.30.53 # why is adobe reader so crappy 04.31.00 # it loves you. 04.31.02 # everything it does takes forever 04.31.12 # night. 04.31.12 # or maybe your pc *sucks*! 04.31.17 # night sharpiewarpie. 04.31.34 # downlaoding it took abotu 4 minutes 04.31.49 # why is it so huge?(25 mb) 04.32.13 Quit PaulJam (".") 04.32.35 # Why can't people stop using .pdf and just use soem sort of nicely formatted HTML? 04.33.16 # coz html sux 04.33.17 # :D 04.33.24 # pdf is teh shit! :S 04.35.21 # plz tell me that was sarcasm 04.35.54 Quit hardeep ("[BX] I'm out like a light...") 04.36.48 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC") 04.36.58 Join Cassandra- [0] (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 04.37.03 # http://68.77.224.65/mobility/datasheets/Wall8_ds.pdf 04.37.12 # am I seeign things or does that say 3 amps? 04.37.25 # or is it point 3 amps(0.3)? 04.37.29 Quit Daishi ("Client exiting...") 04.38.04 Join DMJC [0] (n=James@202.126.102.234) 04.38.40 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/SoundCodecs#Current_status 04.38.44 # is this upto date? 04.38.50 # that's 0.3 amps 04.38.54 # or if I download/update my firmware will midi/sid play? 04.42.30 Join darkcore [0] (n=darkcore@growl/darkcore) 04.45.55 # DMJC: acoring to that page u need to patch it to work 04.47.06 Join XavierGr [0] (n=XavierGr@ppp125-92.adsl.forthnet.gr) 04.47.16 Quit Farpenoodle ("Large sacks of cheese") 04.48.31 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 04.48.32 Nick Cassandra- is now known as Cassandra (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 04.53.39 Quit Jd|uni ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 04.56.05 # later alll.. gonna go swim before bed 04.57.29 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC") 05.01.42 Join Rob2222_ [0] (n=Miranda@ACB57D9B.ipt.aol.com) 05.06.09 Join bagawk [0] (n=lee@unaffiliated/bagawk) 05.07.34 Quit afruff23 ("IceChat - Keeping PC's cool since 2000") 05.08.25 Quit TeaSea ("Leaving") 05.09.46 Quit RoC_MM ("Leaving") 05.10.10 Quit XavierGr_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.12.37 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=rootmeis@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 05.17.01 Join darkcore_ [0] (n=darkcore@66-81-176-247.nocal.dialup.o1.com) 05.17.22 Quit darkcore_ (Client Quit) 05.19.46 Quit Rob2222 (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 05.20.17 # clock on H1x0? 05.21.26 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.160.160.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 05.30.42 Join lostnihilist [0] (n=james@c-67-175-244-14.hsd1.il.comcast.net) 05.31.26 # nope 05.32.06 # bah 05.32.17 # y is it that only the US H3x0 has a clock 05.35.08 # You would have to ask iriver :) 05.35.24 # My wild guess would be to keep price lower 05.38.18 Quit YouCeyE (Remote closed the connection) 05.38.34 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 05.38.42 # Hmmm that asshat from the other day has his HTTPS server back up... 05.39.31 Quit darkcore (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 05.45.08 Quit mikearthur (Remote closed the connection) 05.57.31 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 06.04.40 Quit aBrick` ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515 with A Pack Fix By www.ircmadeasy.com") 06.09.51 Join luriden [0] (n=18ffb9b3@labb.contactor.se) 06.10.45 # hi, is there a way to set the retail OS as the default OS and be able to reboot into Rockbox as a secondary OS? like rebooting and holding a button go to into Rockbox? 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Arm is again a bit larger 08.29.15 # and i386 is HUGE compared to all... 08.29.27 # E.g. text_editor.rock is 2320 bytes for recorder 08.29.59 # Sim plugins are way larger because they're (1) shared objects (dlls on windows) and (2) contain debug symbols 08.30.13 # ok, that makes sense then 08.30.35 # i was a bit worried coz i looked and it was 32K not realising i was in the sim dir and not the target dir 08.31.53 # amiconn: did u get my msg from ages ago? 08.36.40 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@bsod.rz.tu-clausthal.de) 08.43.52 Join theli_ua [0] (n=theli@pension-icom.intercom.net.ua) 08.55.57 # LinusN: I can reproduce the pause from playlist viewer when holding on to page up at first track 08.58.36 Join Zagor [0] (n=bjst@rockbox/developer/Zagor) 08.59.25 # hardeep: weird, i can't 08.59.32 # Hmm. 08.59.36 # however, i found another bug when trying 09.00.32 # * amiconn noticed that we could apply the cpu saving measure from the remote lcd driver to the H300 main lcd driver as well 09.00.36 Join migidymack [0] (n=migidyma@crlspr-69.65.74.157.myacc.net) 09.00.56 # However, the lcd power handling is done in lcd-h300.c while the scroll thread resides in lcd-16bit.c 09.01.10 # We need a nice way to handle this... 09.01.28 # how can i seek through a track on ipod 5g rockbox? 09.02.23 # migidymack, same way as in retail firmware? 09.03.15 # migidymack, i'm sure both manual and wiki docs describe rockbox controls.. you should read them :) 09.04.22 # LinusN: i think your playlist has to have more then 200 entries and i have an idea where the problem is... checking 09.04.35 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 09.05.04 # I definatly read the doc and wiki.. and searched through the forums 09.05.15 # no mention on how to seek 09.06.30 # is it really not good to do memcpy() over itself? i.e memcpy(&buf[3],&buf[5],9) ? 09.07.37 # yuck 09.08.27 # the result of memcopy with overlapping regions is normally 'undefined' 09.08.32 # so no? i tested it and it looked ok, but i may not have tested it with unworkable numbers 09.08.36 # migidymack: I think you are right, strange.. 09.08.48 # depends on implementation but you better don't depend on that ;) 09.09.14 # JdGordon: ... memcpy is string.h, isn't it? 09.09.26 # i dunno.. 09.09.46 # * scorche googles to make sure he didn't actually say something wrong 09.09.48 # I think memcpy is implemented is asm for each target 09.10.22 # ok, ill do it properly... 09.10.46 # i.e potentially lots of memcpy() calls to move everything up/down a few chars :'( 09.10.57 # anyone here use rb on an ipod5g? 09.11.03 # migidymack, 2.4.1. WPS Key Controls 09.11.13 # thx =) 09.11.13 # migidymack, in manual 09.11.41 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@192.33.221.204) 09.11.46 # hello 09.11.57 # theli_ua: also just found that :) 09.12.07 # :) 09.13.12 # JdGordon: if memcpy(&buf[3],&buf[5],9) starts copying [3] to [5], what will be copied from [5] when it reaches that index? Right, your data is gone. 09.13.44 # hardeep: it has ~8000 entries 09.13.50 # ye, ok, cept its memcpy(dest,src,n) .. :p 09.14.06 # hardeep: i see a problem with the playlist chunk reloading 09.14.22 # JdGordon: ok, how do you know it doesn't count backwards? 09.14.34 # hold page down, and it will display garbage on the last line when loading from disk 09.14.36 # OK guy i have made some modification to have the beeper works on ipodvideo 09.14.41 # u dont.. ok, i get it :D im making my own function :D 09.15.01 # LinusN: yeah, i just noticed that too 09.15.08 # same thing happens with page up 09.15.13 # yes 09.15.57 # Where can i demand write access to cvs? 09.15.59 # memmove() allows overlapping areas :D 09.16.19 # yeps 09.16.25 # pepie34: here 09.16.30 # * amiconn just wanted to point JdGordon to memmove() 09.16.31 # OK!!! 09.16.43 # phew.. 09.16.48 # * JdGordon doesnt have to do it properly :D 09.16.52 # I'm quite newbies on RCS 09.17.14 # I wanted to send a patch but my new files don't appears in it 09.17.19 # How can i do that? 09.17.39 # pepie34: start with putting your patches on the tracker... 09.17.47 # (only modification in files 09.17.53 # scuse) 09.18.16 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?type=4 09.18.21 # but how can i add files to my local cvs registry so they will appears on the patch? 09.18.25 # pepie34: http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches#Include_new_files 09.18.35 # petur, JdGordon: The bad thing about memcpy() and overlapping regions is that the result is undefined, it depends on how the memcpy implementation works. 09.18.36 # ok thanks 09.18.53 # amiconn: what I said... 09.19.14 # markun you need write acces to do so 09.19.19 # no 09.19.23 Join DMJC [0] (n=James@202.126.102.86) 09.19.41 # cvs add apps/plugins/beep.c 09.19.41 # cvs [server aborted]: "add" requires write access to the repository 09.19.44 # just to inform, didn't have to patch to get midi playback 09.19.45 # ??? 09.19.51 # it's in the daily builds already 09.20.00 # pepie34: cvsdo is not cvs 09.20.06 # read it again 09.20.11 # ok :( 09.20.11 # can't you just use cvs diff -N? 09.20.13 # :$ 09.20.23 # It can either do a forward copy (then overlapping regions work when src > dst), or a backward copy 09.20.24 # Mikachu: not without adding the files 09.20.37 # okay 09.21.08 # is memmove in rb slow? if the move is potentially 128kb? 09.21.16 # memmove() decides which of the directions to use based on src & dst address 09.21.17 # 64kb sorry.. 09.21.31 # pepie34: use the cvsdo command 09.21.34 # ok 09.21.40 # No, memmove() is as fast as memcpy() for those targets where it's implemented in asm 09.21.44 # cvsdo add 09.21.51 # * JdGordon is redoin text_editor to use 1 really big buffer insread of stupid linked lists.. 09.21.52 # ...with a tiny bit more overhead at the start 09.22.01 # it adds it locally without the need for write access 09.22.12 # (the decision which copy direction to choose) 09.26.32 # funny,, i asked twice about a seek option (not ff/rw / theres a difference) on a 5g ipod.. and twice i was told to check the manual... once i was even told what section (2.4.1) - not im not saying you guys are wrong.. but you are. it isnt in any of the documentation - does anyone have a clue how to seek on an ipod 09.26.38 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-21-17.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 09.26.52 # migidymack: hold down prev/next 09.26.57 # thats ff rw 09.27.04 # and takes forever for tracks ~1hr 09.27.16 # fast forward and rewind ========== seeking 09.27.20 # no it isnt 09.27.29 # dont tell me i make music for a living 09.27.32 # seeking is scrubbing 09.27.40 # ff / rw is not seeking 09.27.57 # migidymack, ok. there is no seeking 09.28.04 # thank you 09.28.15 # next time dont assume the person is too lazy to read 09.28.33 # next time start with explaining all your definitions 09.28.44 # :P 09.28.55 # :) .. petur.. you was faster then me :) 09.29.04 # to be fair, the docs say "scan" and don't use the word seek at all 09.29.44 Join ashridah [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-121-55.VIC.netspace.net.au) 09.30.01 # migidymack: how would seeking work? By entering the time you want to seek to? 09.30.24 # migidymack: you can make seeking faster in the settings.. 09.30.31 # no.. the orig. firmware handled it by allowing you to click select and use the scroll wheel to scrub through the track 09.30.36 # * Galois imagines something kind of like on winamp where you click the mouse on the slider bar and the song goes there 09.30.54 # yeah thats it 09.31.05 # * Mikachu notes the ipod doesn't come with a mouse 09.31.12 # scroll wheel 09.31.12 # the rio karma OF had scroll wheel scrubbing 09.31.28 # its implemented in the apple os cant be impossible 09.31.44 # no, not impossible of course. Just not implemented 09.31.55 # migidymack: put up a feature request then... 09.32.10 # migidymack: are you any good with c programming? 09.32.11 # (make sure you explain it well :) ) 09.32.16 # .. or even better.. but up a patch 09.32.20 # put* 09.32.22 Join dpro [0] (n=x@chello080109121047.8.15.vie.surfer.at) 09.32.40 # im no good at coding.. i havent done it in 5 or 6 years 09.32.52 # it would be fun to use the wheel for scratching, like in terminatorX 09.33.19 # you would need to use a mute button too.. half of scratching is crossfading 09.33.33 # i-i-i-iPod 09.34.23 # scratchpod 09.34.40 # no, that it is allready :D 09.34.52 # hehe, was just about to say that 09.34.57 # ipod users are against the scratches 09.34.59 # ('cept mini) 09.38.30 # Mikachu: do you understand the playback system well enough currently to know where to start to add reverse playback ? 09.38.38 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 09.38.42 # nope 09.39.19 # so u can hear satanic themes in songs? 09.39.25 # dpro: looking for hidden messages in songs? 09.39.26 # rockbox satan edition 09.39.34 # * dpro isn't religious 09.39.36 # * JdGordon wins :D 09.40.27 # * petur hands JdGordon his medal :) 09.40.28 # petur: though most music on mtv has the message hidden pretty well ;) 09.40.43 # Is there any other way to create bash scripts that exports variables without having to run them in the "$ . ./script.sh"-style? 09.40.50 # "buy from our sponsors" ? 09.41.30 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 09.41.34 # export BLA=123 09.42.48 # dwihno, exports outside the script? 09.42.55 # theli_ua: yeah... 09.42.59 # theli_ua: exporting outside of it :) 09.43.18 # dwihno: that's not how the world works 09.43.46 Join stripwax [0] (n=stripwax@i-83-67-214-206.freedom2surf.net) 09.43.59 # Zagor: Yesterday I found that our fat implementation doesn't check the longname component's shortname checksum against the shortname... 09.44.22 # (when reading) 09.44.39 # Mikachu: So how should one do then? I mean, having stuff in .bash_profile is not a sane idea... 09.44.57 # dwihno, why not sane? 09.44.58 # Mikachu: the idea is to be able to set quite a number of vars without having to type them manually 09.45.06 # alias? 09.45.41 Part stripwax 09.45.55 # Mikachu: True, but I still don't want to touch .bash_profile 09.46.08 # then you'll probably have to live with the dots 09.46.15 # you don't have to type ./ when you use . though 09.46.30 # can't login to filespray with my sf account 09.47.00 # pepie34: you're supposed to get a password to your email first 09.47.16 # yes but when i do a reset pwd as asked 09.47.21 # Mikachu: well, living is . is doable. 09.47.28 # it told me i'm not a valid user 09.47.29 # :( 09.47.41 # * dwihno hands Mikachu some kanelbullar in gratitude 09.47.50 # * petur points pepie34 to Zagor 09.47.51 # yay 09.48.49 # pepie34: I think you have to register here: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/register 09.48.58 # Or did you do that? 09.49.12 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/FlySpray 09.49.33 # just say to use the same login as in sf 09.49.46 # and to do a pwd reset 09.50.18 # what is your sf account name? 09.51.00 # romain_herault 09.51.01 # I don't think the info in the wiki applies to new users, but I might be wrong 09.51.18 # I try the other way 09.51.41 Quit petur ("reboot") 09.52.11 # markun: you are correct 09.52.20 # I'll change the wiki 09.55.30 # done 09.57.52 # sniff no mail confirmation arrive 09.58.11 # I think i shall return to bed today 09.58.14 # :) 09.58.21 # pepie34: good night 09.58.28 # Talk to Zagor if it still doesn't work tomorrow 09.58.53 # CAn I send the patch else wherre? 09.58.56 # CAn I send the patch else where? 09.59.21 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 10.00.03 # WHAT is the time zone of Zagor? 10.00.23 # europe 10.00.26 # hmmmm, buffer loading in playlist viewer is all messed up. will look into it tomorrow. 10.00.28 # ok 10.00.34 # Zagor are you here? 10.04.54 # pepie34: which name did you use when signing up? 10.05.09 # romain_herault 10.05.14 # why? 10.06.11 # LinusN has the same almighty powers :) 10.06.26 # ok 10.08.22 # I will be back in 30 min 10.08.24 Quit pepie34 ("Quitte") 10.11.12 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 10.27.38 Quit DMJC (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 10.28.07 Join dunno [0] (n=d4406110@labb.contactor.se) 10.28.43 Part dunno 10.34.27 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 10.43.05 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@192.33.221.204) 10.44.18 # LinusN did you see me in the user database? 10.44.58 # it turned out that i had all the admin privileges except user administration 10.45.06 # :) 10.45.08 # i called björn, but he was in a meeting 10.45.09 # OK 10.45.28 # so i'm on the case 10.45.29 # CAn i send the patch to somebody? 10.46.08 # sure, but it would be better to have it in the tracker, submitted by you 10.46.48 # Yes I know 10.47.06 # but i can't wait to have other ipod owner to test it 10.47.09 # :) 10.47.50 # If you have any webspace you could just put it there, and mention the URL here. 10.48.01 # (whilst you wait for access to the tracker) 10.48.20 # OK 10.48.44 # What does the patch do? 10.48.52 # I only have a 5G,it should work on any p5020 10.49.04 # but i only enable it for 5G 10.49.21 # 4 new functions that use the ipod piezo 10.50.01 # Have you seen the existing piezo-related patch(es) on the tracker? 10.50.08 # a no 10.50.09 # :( 10.50.23 # i have look the code and did not find it 10.50.33 # where are they 10.50.42 # (fuck a night for nothing) 10.50.44 # ? 10.51.04 # I've not looked at it, but searching the patch tracker for "piezo" finds this: http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5111 10.52.37 # I should definitly return to sleep 10.53.50 # At least i learned the rockbox code 10.53.53 # :) 10.58.26 # the mention patch (5111) should also work on 4G but as i don't have one can't figure out 10.58.55 # it does the same as mine so you can forgget about mine 10.59.39 # is there someone in charge of the target directory? 10.59.52 # we all are 11.00.01 # you mean firmware/target? 11.00.26 # I mean do you intend to move specific drivers here? 11.00.28 # yes 11.00.33 # yes we do 11.00.57 # is it planned for this version or next version? 11.01.13 # as soon as the freeze ends, and someone is willing to do the work 11.01.25 # I am 11.01.37 # goodie 11.01.43 # but as told before can only to test on 5G ipod 11.01.59 # that's a start 11.04.04 # pepie34: All the ipods are extremely similar - most of the 5g code was written for earlier ipods, and just worked as it was on the 5g. The main differences are the audio codec and LCD. 11.04.58 # When i first look at the code i was somehow affraid about the #idef ARCH1 #idef ARCH2 11.05.00 # ... 11.05.04 # things 11.05.21 # I things the separation really needs to be done 11.05.53 # If i can help and do it for ipod i will be glad 11.06.35 # nice 11.07.04 # linuxstb, i can do the separation for other ipods and try to compile for sure 11.07.21 # but can't put my garantee that it is working 11.07.23 # Unless I've missed it, I think we're waiting for a wiki page from LinusN about the target tree.... :) 11.07.38 # ok that was my next question 11.07.59 # linuxstb: :-P 11.08.04 # pepie34: We can't ask any more than that... And as I said, most of it is generic for all ipods anyway. 11.14.42 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3150.gwdg.de) 11.19.10 # LinusN: In fact I asked about the path because I intend to move both iriver and archos code over to firmware/target/ gradually 11.19.38 # * amiconn nags LinusN about the H300 power issue 11.20.00 # * amiconn wants nearly equal runtime on his H340 as he measured on his H140 11.22.44 # what was the measuered times? 11.24.04 # H140: 19h 18 min. H340: 11h 2 min 11.24.14 # Same conditions 11.24.40 # damn... bit of a diff there... 11.25.32 # still 11 hours isnt so bad 11.25.57 # Well, iriver states 16 hours 11.27.15 Join PaulJam_ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3064.gwdg.de) 11.28.42 # iriver claims 16 hours for both h1x0 and h3x0? 11.29.32 # yes, afaik 11.29.59 # h3x0 needs slightly more cpu power for drawing, but then it also has a slightly higher capacity battery 11.30.09 # (1400 mAh instead of 1300 mAh) 11.34.50 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=FireFly@fhrouter83.fh-wuerzburg.de) 11.35.39 Join Ribs2 [0] (n=ribs@212.159.107.123) 11.36.00 Part LoveJesus 11.38.37 # amiconn: i was about to work on the h300 issue yesterday night, but the battery was flat, and i fell asleep when it was charging :-) 11.38.39 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 11.39.03 # lol 11.39.39 # does h300 charging still need work? 11.39.49 # i dunno 11.39.52 # * petur wants rockbox on ac power on 11.40.12 # * amiconn recommends LinusN to let other rockboxes play some music while working on one 11.41.38 # i'm having a look at the audio playback code, and i don't fully understand the idea behind swap_codec() 11.42.38 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-51-176.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.42.42 # swap_codec() is for swapping audio & voice codec 11.42.50 # that i know 11.43.02 Quit _FireFly_ ("Leaving") 11.43.22 # They are essentially the same codecs (except that voice is currently hard-coded to use mpa.codec), so they're linked to the same memory addresses 11.43.28 # it's more the logic with the threads that call swap_codec() that i don't understand 11.44.17 # Anyway, I still think that it would be better to have a separate voice codec. It would save us a lot of trouble, e.g. with plugins using iram 11.44.34 # i think i agree 11.45.00 # but it would still be a problem with the iram 11.45.30 # we need a codec that doesn't need iram 11.45.39 Quit PaulJam (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 11.49.17 # also, i don't really get the logic inside swap_codec() either 11.49.58 # been away from rockbox too long, have you? :P 11.50.10 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-41-36.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 11.50.24 # heh, i never really dug into the sw codec stuff 11.50.27 Quit Ribs (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.51.34 Part nave7693 11.56.36 # LinusN: Of course the voice codec wouldn't use iram 11.57.01 # I think it would still be fast enough, given that voice is low bitrate, low sample rate, and mono 11.57.14 # true 11.57.36 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 11.57.59 # Currently, voice is 12kHz mono with the bitrate clamped to <=64kbps (for another reason) 11.58.26 # preglow said that speex isn't too complex either 11.59.17 # i have some pimsleur japanese oggs, they're 20kbps or so, and sounds perfectly alright 11.59.43 # speex looks interesting 11.59.57 Quit pepie34 ("Quitte") 12.00.37 # heh, -u, --ultra-wideband "Ultra-wideband" (32 kHz) input file 12.01.01 # gah 12.01.05 Join chesty [0] (n=chesty@unconcerned.org) 12.01.16 # * amiconn should really work on target-specific voice builds 12.03.25 # If I only know how to handle the codepage problem... :( 12.06.39 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 12.06.43 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.07.39 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 12.07.39 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 12.18.29 Join webguest64 [0] (n=c17139a3@labb.contactor.se) 12.18.53 Join Jungti1234 [0] (n=jungti12@124.60.10.35) 12.19.18 # ggggg 12.19.20 # hello! 12.19.26 # allo! 12.19.35 # olla 12.23.31 # im working out how to deal with the end-of-line strings in the text editor.. do i only need to check for \r\n and \n or does mac have their own version? 12.24.17 # yes 12.24.24 # mac uses \r 12.26.11 # .. basterds :D 12.39.13 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-5-53.tn.glocalnet.net) 12.39.48 Join pjo [0] (n=pjo@i60-34-32-216.s02.a022.ap.plala.or.jp) 12.39.54 # Hello ! 12.40.39 # If anybody sees this pls help, how do I download a patch, f.e. http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 12.41.52 # pjo: patches are source code changes, intended for developers 12.41.54 # I am trying to install album art patch 12.42.16 # so to do Album Art how can I do it ? 12.42.40 # set up a complete development environment, with cross compiler and all 12.43.06 # oh so there is no plugin available for cover art ? 12.43.11 # no 12.43.19 # ok 12.43.37 # but in that case i need to know how do I download the patch 12.43.56 # there are links to the patch on that page 12.44.05 # the problem isn't downloading the patch 12.44.07 # yes and I clicked it 12.44.37 # the URL is for that but I do not understand what to do next 12.45.00 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/WorkingWithPatches 12.45.15 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/CygwinDevelopment 12.45.20 Join Pi_ [0] (n=Pi@80-41-196-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 12.45.42 # the first one does not tell me how to download it 12.46.12 # pjo: is this your first time on the internet? 12.46.31 # no I have been on the net for many many years 12.46.34 # click on the link and select "save as" 12.46.45 # but my native language is not English 12.47.31 # the thing is, patches are for developers, and they aren't something you just download and install 12.47.33 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-16-195.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 12.48.05 # you will need a complete development environment, so you can compile rockbox yourself 12.48.06 # you said SDK is required to compile but still need to downl;oad the patch 12.48.30 # right click does not show the option to download 12.49.08 # i right-click on the link, and it allows me to "save link as..." 12.49.31 # but that downloads the html page, i guess 12.49.42 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 12.49.44 # are you doing that on the URL http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/index.php?tasks=&project=1&string=3045&type=4&sev=&due=&dev=&cat=&status=&date=0 12.49.47 # what happens if you left-click? 12.50.01 # just do not show save as 12.50.27 # left clock on it 12.50.29 # click 12.51.00 # send me the URL that you are on pls 12.51.05 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 12.51.44 # here is the url to the latest version of the patch : http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11447 12.51.50 # That page contains lots of comments, and lots of different versions of the patch - scroll down to near the bottom and click on the link "album_art_v4.03.patch" 12.51.59 # do you click the FS#3045 ? 12.52.30 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/?getfile=11447 12.52.59 # ok I found the patch 12.53.01 # thanks 12.56.11 Join Genre9mp3 [0] (n=Yngwiejo@88.218.17.158) 12.57.26 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 12.59.15 Join dunno [0] (n=d4406110@labb.contactor.se) 12.59.52 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@d02m-89-83-209-155.d4.club-internet.fr) 13.01.12 # * amiconn is slightly annoyed 13.02.03 # only slightly? 13.02.06 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 13.02.08 # * dunno looks for Hardeep 13.02.22 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 13.02.34 Join TeaSea [0] (n=Thunderc@lonsdale.nat.lancs.ac.uk) 13.02.57 # Why are so few developers actually working on fixing things? 13.03.28 # I mean, the freeze is there to concentrate on bug fixing and cleaning up thinga 13.03.32 # *things 13.04.22 # if I remember correctly it's always a handfull of you that sort bugs during the freeze, same as last time amiconn 13.05.14 # 2.5 was the same, you, Linus, and a few others 13.05.16 # But why???? 13.05.25 # much of it is playback related, I'm hesitating to learn that part but maybe I should... 13.05.33 # amiconn: I try to fix some bugs 13.05.46 # * petur has already... 13.06.00 # not much.... but not much time either :( 13.06.04 # my 'excuse' is that I cant fix what i don't understand, and in RB that is alot 13.06.37 # but thanks you amiconn and the dedicated dev's for your hard work 13.08.15 # amiconn: XavierGr told me you two agreed on the extra 'remote lcd' submenu in the scrolling menu. We can commit his patch I think 13.09.47 # I was thinking about an option that writes my settings to backup.cfg on shutdown and loads it after the settings version has changed. A lot of people would be happy with that I think. 13.10.09 # That wouldn't be the right way 13.10.10 # markun: build it into rolo 13.10.28 # amiconn: what would be a better way? 13.10.47 # Getting rid of the binary settings sector and store settings in a .cfg file 13.11.02 # I thought you opposed that 13.11.08 # nope 13.11.19 # It's just not as simple as switching 13.11.52 # (1) We need a way to signal spinups to the app layer, so that the settings can be saved at spinup 13.11.54 # Takes a bit more time to write the settings if we would still do it on every ata access 13.12.10 # We don't do it on every ata access 13.12.25 # We do it on the next ata access, if the settings changed 13.12.36 # yes, that's what I was trying to say 13.13.47 # The sooner we do this the better, then we can change settings all we want without warning about it all the time 13.13.57 # (2) The settings table needs restructuring (include min/ max values), and the loader has to check bounds, and pick the default value if the value in .cfg is out of bounds 13.14.29 # The whole thing needs to be made nice, clean, fact, and compact 13.14.39 # s/fact/fast/ 13.15.45 # *some* settings need to remain binary (e.g. the resume index or the dircache size) - mostly the ones not settable from the ui 13.32.17 # markun: nice 13.35.47 # markun: also I have 1 more minor bugfix: 5362 13.37.03 # amiconn: i'm not too sure about speex 13.37.09 # but it should be less complex than mp3, for example 13.38.42 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 13.43.19 # how about gsm? 13.43.35 # JdGordon: Should I check out your fixes for the textviewer, or better wait for the new version? 13.43.56 # LinusN: Is there a gpl'd encoder+decoder? 13.44.24 # not sure 13.44.34 # LinusN: isn't that patented? 13.44.40 # amiconn: there is a decoder, at least 13.44.58 # but i'd rather try speex first since it's open source, and more flexible 13.45.02 # and probably better quality 13.45.51 # amiconn: ignore them.. im almost done with a completly new version 13.46.55 # LinusN, preglow: We would need a command line encoder, and the decoder as a rcokbox codec, at least 13.47.07 # yup 13.47.14 # Speex sounds interesting... 13.47.38 # the thing is that most speech codecs are designed with telephony in mind 13.47.56 # having all sorts of extra fluff like echo cancelling etc 13.48.09 # in speex that can be disabled easily 13.48.13 # good 13.48.19 # but yeah 13.48.23 # speex isn't just telephony 13.48.27 # it's got wideband modes and all 13.48.31 # yields very nice quality 13.48.40 # how far has the fixed-point port come? 13.48.44 # it's functional 13.48.54 # but some of the components aren't ported yet 13.48.56 # the basic modes are 13.52.14 # speex would be a nice for a recording option i think... 13.53.49 # this is safe right?? "if (!fn || (fd = fopen(fn,O_RDONLY))<0)" 13.54.07 # speex encoding might be a bit heavy 13.54.29 # ehm sorry for interupting I about to fix a bug related to minesweeper and this came to my mind. Do you want to have a minesweeper solver (cheater)? when you press a button it will unveil all boxes. (or this will be a new feature?) 13.54.39 # It would be great though for rockbox to support it 13.54.45 # Well, there's always the postprocessing style encoding. 13.54.59 # it's an analysis by synthesis system 13.55.01 Quit einhirn ("Miranda IM! Smaller, Faster, Easier. http://miranda-im.org") 13.55.02 # and they tend to be a bit heavy 13.55.27 Join einhirn [0] (i=Miranda@li.itc.tu-clausthal.de) 13.55.38 # JdGordon: I don't like combining assignments and tests in one statement 13.55.44 Quit einhirn (Client Quit) 13.56.00 # LinusN: http://kbs.cs.tu-berlin.de/~jutta/toast.html 13.56.40 # petur: neither.. but it saves code repetition :p 13.56.45 Nick Ribs2 is now known as Ribs (n=ribs@212.159.107.123) 13.56.55 # markun: thx 13.56.58 # JdGordon: but it's safe.... 13.57.27 # :) 13.59.56 # amiconn: what bitrate are the current voice files? 14.02.48 Join mikearthur [0] (i=mike@82-41-205-190.cable.ubr11.edin.blueyonder.co.uk) 14.04.09 # preglow: [11:57:59] Currently, voice is 12kHz mono with the bitrate clamped to <=64kbps (for another reason) 14.04.26 # They are vbr with -B 64 14.05.04 # right 14.05.14 # wideband mode still has some floating point operations :/ 14.05.53 Quit midkay ("Leaving") 14.06.03 # Would 12kHz be wideband? 14.06.35 # (I would like to go back to 16kHz if possible, at least for swcodec. Sounds better) 14.06.53 Quit mirak (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.07.48 # 16khz is wideband 14.08.40 # Hmm :/ 14.11.31 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 14.12.51 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 14.12.51 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zarathul.student.utwente.nl) 14.18.58 Nick daurn|afk is now known as daurnimator (n=quae@dsl-202-52-48-092.vic.veridas.net) 14.19.31 Part dunno 14.24.31 Quit Pi_ ("bye") 14.25.08 Join Pi_ [0] (n=Pi@80-41-196-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 14.30.37 Join cky1billion [0] (n=ab@cpe-24-58-30-8.twcny.res.rr.com) 14.31.02 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!") 14.31.08 # for the x5 i see radio progress at 95%, does this need to be added in a patch 14.31.24 # or is it in current builds? 14.31.25 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-88-131.w86-215.abo.wanadoo.fr) 14.31.51 Quit Siku () 14.36.22 # Cassandra, here? 14.36.42 # cky1billion: it's in a patch 14.37.27 Quit pjo (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- The professional IRC Client") 14.39.32 # amiconn:here? 14.39.52 # amiconn: I was wondering how te jpeg reacts when voice is playing and the user loads a big file 14.40.41 # it seems that it will ask if the user want's to stop playback but is this right? 14.41.43 Join tvelocity [0] (n=tony@84.254.38.142) 14.43.52 # you know 'cooperative buying'? 14.46.25 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.47.05 Quit BoD[away] (Remote closed the connection) 14.47.07 Join BoD[away] [0] (n=BoD@JRAF.org) 14.48.00 # cooperative purchase = cooperative buying = group buying ?? 14.53.45 # Jungti1234: sounds like it 14.53.56 # ok, thanks 14.55.20 # where are the settings of the viever plugin stored? 14.56.56 Quit cky1billion (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 14.58.59 # does rb->read advance file position? 15.00.44 # yes 15.01.23 # amiconn: about the jpeg viewer and voice: You said that it is unexpected but I can't think of a solution. 15.01.25 # thnx 15.01.51 # amiconn: we have 2 choices pcm_is_playing and mp3_is_playing but the later will not work for SW targets. 15.02.19 Quit YouCeyE (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.02.27 # hmm let me try with audio status 15.06.42 Join cky1billion [0] (n=ab@216.6.247.6) 15.10.31 # wtf: my Screen on H300 blinks (very little though) whenever I press a button on the filebrowser and have the charger on. 15.11.23 # does it get brighter or darker? 15.11.28 # ah audio_status seems to do the trick for the viewer. amiconn can you validate it? 15.11.50 # Linus: a little bit darker and then (instantly) goes back to normal. 15.12.09 # Linus: though this isn't happening let's say in the jpeg viewer 15.12.09 # interesting 15.12.30 # perhaps it's when the disk spins up? 15.12.34 # normal if brightness less than 5 and hdd access occurs 15.13.31 # Linus: I have discover that this blinking is very intense when HD is firing up (though not all the time) but this time I don't have a HD spin. I just push up/down. 15.13.37 # XavierGr: I think checking audio status is the correct method. Can't test atm 15.14.01 # amiconn: ok thanks! Seems to work perfect for my H300. 15.14.32 # amiconn: though, if a voice clip is being played it will stop immediatelly and start showing the jpeg. 15.14.44 # that is the correct behaviour right? 15.15.48 # petur: I have brightness set to 9. 15.16.08 # weird 15.16.27 # Linus: no I was wrong. It gets brighter not darker. 15.16.58 # Linus: because when I let of the button I can see the screen gets a little bit darker. 15.17.21 # * petur fetches his h340 15.17.49 # BTW it is USB charged, not the real charger. 15.18.25 Quit webguest64 ("CGI:IRC") 15.18.26 Join midkay [0] (n=midkay@rockbox/developer/midkay) 15.18.35 # strange it just stopped!!! 15.18.39 # (doing it) 15.19.20 Join webguest64 [0] (n=c1713011@labb.contactor.se) 15.20.29 # now it started again :( 15.20.39 # maybe because it is low on battery? 15.21.04 Quit Jungti1234 (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.21.27 Quit anathema () 15.22.34 Join Poka64 [0] (i=peter@hd5e241c0.gavlegardarna.gavle.to) 15.29.15 # amiconn: do you know if the audio_status will work for HWCODEC targets too? 15.29.45 # it should work 15.29.47 Join pepie34 [0] (n=pepie34@192.33.221.204) 15.29.58 # ok then one ifdef less :) 15.31.09 Part LinusN 15.31.29 Join PaulJam__ [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3165.gwdg.de) 15.32.36 # haha I got a nice warning that I have an old cross compiler for archos targets 15.34.35 Nick PaulJam__ is now known as PaulJam (n=pauljam@vpn-3165.gwdg.de) 15.35.45 Join merbanan_ [0] (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 15.36.47 Quit cky1billion () 15.36.49 Quit merbanan (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.38.33 Join muesli|delhi [0] (n=muesli_t@125.23.27.62) 15.38.44 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 15.38.46 Join Lost-ash [0] (i=ashridah@220-253-122-74.VIC.netspace.net.au) 15.39.24 Quit prh__ (Remote closed the connection) 15.39.29 Join prh [0] (n=paul@212.13.203.80) 15.42.14 Quit pepie34 ("Quitte") 15.47.26 Quit ashridah (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.48.44 Quit PaulJam_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 15.51.13 Join dongs_ [0] (n=HPUX@h193012.ppp.asahi-net.or.jp) 15.51.19 Quit dongs (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 15.52.21 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd66fdb@labb.contactor.se) 15.59.56 Nick merbanan_ is now known as merbanan (i=banan@farmer.campus.luth.se) 16.03.56 Join Cassandra- [0] (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 16.04.52 # what is the key for 'hold' on ipod sims? 16.10.47 # the isn't one 16.12.05 # actually there isn't one on every sim 16.14.48 # bad 16.15.15 Join JaMiNkLe [0] (n=God@CPE-60-231-38-67.qld.bigpond.net.au) 16.15.25 # Well it _really_ shouldn't be used for anything but 'Hold' anyway. 16.15.40 Join Falco98 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) 16.16.29 # hey all 16.16.46 # Paul_The_Nerd, with the lack of keys on iPods it is nice to have it for menus in plugins 16.17.29 # theli_ua: Are you already using Menu+Select for something? 16.17.29 Join dpassen2 [0] (n=0c04dcd4@labb.contactor.se) 16.18.30 # >.> 16.18.42 # Paul_The_Nerd, if all other keys are used for game control menu+select is not very appropriate 16.19.55 # truth is that iPod sucks at keymapping but there is no other alternative. 16.20.00 # theli_ua: Ideally we want a standardized method of entering the menu. Why is it actually bad that menu+select enters the menu? Do you need to press both at once to play the game? 16.20.08 # Rockbox has so many options and shortcuts :) 16.20.41 # Paul_The_Nerd, it is spectrum emulator , yeah for arcade games it is unconvinient menu+select for menu 16.20.44 # theli_ua: You could always try the absolute positioning patch. It allows you to simply touch the wheel, instead of pressing the buttons at the locations, which means you'd never need to _press_ menu during gameplay. 16.21.12 # Paul_The_Nerd, i know of it .. i just waiting for unfreeze and when it gets into cvs 16.21.35 # theli_ua: Well, your emulator's not gonna get into CVS until the freeze is over anyway. If you're thinking of using it, you should go ahead 'n try. ;-) 16.21.57 # Paul_The_Nerd, anyway i think of hold for menu is far more convinient 16.22.00 # theli_ua: Hold should Hold, and _maybe_ also pause emulation. That way people can actually use it, and come back to gameplay simply by turning hold off. 16.22.18 # hold off and press 'resume' :) 16.22.21 Quit Cassandra (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.22.21 Nick Cassandra- is now known as Cassandra (n=Cassandr@cpc3-oxfd8-0-0-cust240.oxfd.cable.ntl.com) 16.22.30 # Paul_The_Nerd: If hold brings up a menu, then it fulfills your needs as well... 16.22.36 # Or you could adhere to the standard method of opening a menu in Rockbox plugins. 16.22.58 # linuxstb, that what i'm making - hold popups menu 16.23.15 # linuxstb: I dunno, I think there will be _alot_ of users who get stuck in the plugin, as they did with other ones. It's really beneficial to have a standard key combo for menu or exit of plugins. 16.23.16 Quit PaulJam (".") 16.23.24 # But I also think we should only assign HOLD to the menu as a very last resort - when there are absolutely no other options. 16.23.28 # hold should pause.. not show the menu.. unless there is no other button combo available.. 16.23.45 # Menu should always be menu, and Menu+Select should always be quit 16.23.45 # linuxstb: And I think there are several other options here. I agree that it can be done, just not necessarily should in this situation. ;-) 16.23.50 # ok.. i think i'll make it configurable :D 16.24.03 # amiconn: On ipods, "Menu" is very often "move up" 16.24.09 # why? 16.24.20 # What other option is there for up? 16.24.21 # linuxstb: Especially with the absolute positioning patch, because with it you get 8 buttons from the scrollwheel, without ever actually _pressing_ buttons. :) 16.24.29 # I'd think that's the wheel's purpose 16.25.03 # Using the wheel for up/down and NEXT/PREV for left/right just doesn't work IMO. 16.25.16 # ? 16.25.32 Quit whatboutbob ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.25.34 # This is exactly what we do in the browser, and menus, and... 16.25.46 # amiconn, think of fast arcade game :) 16.25.48 # Think about pacman for example - or any fast action game. 16.26.04 # * amiconn never tried pacman 16.26.25 # Also, if you want to keep "up" pressed for a long period, you would have to keep scrolling the wheel like a mad man. 16.26.37 # * Genre9mp3 looks for Cassandra 16.26.44 # amiconn: Yeah, Menu and Play presses are necessary for up/down in any realtime game. But I think the absolute positioning patch will solve that, because then you can just rest your finger on them, and actually _press_ menu to bring up the menu 16.27.57 Quit muesli|delhi ("ich will Kühe!!!") 16.30.28 Join PaulJam [0] (n=PaulJam_@vpn-3014.gwdg.de) 16.30.53 Quit Lost-ash ("sleep") 16.30.58 Quit theli_ua ("Покидаю") 16.31.01 Join _FireFly_ [0] (n=stephan@dslb-084-056-069-229.pools.arcor-ip.net) 16.34.07 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-87-22.tn.glocalnet.net) 16.35.29 # can anyone tell me real quick exactly where global_settings is defined and worked with? 16.35.41 # (i'm experimenting to see if i can add a parameter to the crossfade options) 16.36.26 # apps/settings.h (i think) 16.37.40 # i'm trying to add an option for "crossfade AND track skip" 16.38.06 # whoops.. s/crossfade/shuffle mode/ 16.38.59 # i switch back and forth between shuffle-all listening and album listening, and want "always" when on shuffle, and also when i manually change tracks, and think it's a tiny bit clunky to need to change c/f settings to do those two things 16.39.41 # ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344 ) 16.39.52 # (thanx pi_ ) 16.40.15 Join YouCeyE [0] (n=YouCeyE@unaffiliated/youceye) 16.41.30 # * JdGordon is pretty much finished the new and improved rb text editor :D 16.41.40 # and 1 wanna suggest a way to allow the user to split a line in 2? 16.42.31 # an axe? 16.42.40 # ..if only... 16.42.43 # If there are no keys left, put it in the menu. 16.42.58 Join whatboutbob [0] (n=cbd64a64@labb.contactor.se) 16.42.59 # * linuxstb has never tried the text editor... 16.42.59 # Jd: you mean like, adding a line return? 16.43.03 # i mean, how do i get them to tell it where to split the line? 16.43.11 # Falco98 wins the pot.. bingo 16.43.16 # Don't you have a cursor? 16.43.22 # how bout a combo of 2 buttons? 16.43.29 # it uses the regular vkeyboard for input 16.43.34 # cant you have a return key on the keyboard? 16.43.50 # Wouldn't a /n Vkey solve that problem? 16.43.55 # or add another special key "under" the kb so you don't have to edit the existing one 16.44.03 # Paul_The_Nerd: yes, but tis not there... 16.44.24 # I mean \n, but yeah 16.44.29 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.44.33 # So why not change the way the VKeyboard works slightly? ;-) 16.44.48 # ..not fun :D 16.45.00 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-89-186.tn.glocalnet.net) 16.45.22 # Is there any way to create a new text file with your editor? 16.45.27 # yup 16.45.32 # run it from the plugins menu 16.45.36 # Ah yes, just found it... 16.45.44 # That plugin list is too long... 16.45.56 # fits on 1 h300 screen... 16.46.23 Join Acksaw [0] (n=Acksaw@spc1-stok5-0-0-cust770.bagu.broadband.ntl.com) 16.46.24 # How? I only get A-M on my 5g with the default font. 16.46.31 # IMHO plugins are so many that should be split to subfolders 16.46.36 # why not subdivide it using the same catagories as in the manual...? 16.46.43 # oh woops.. ye, it is long :p 16.46.46 # * JdGordon is asleep 16.46.51 # * Falco98 still can't find where global_settings is centrally located 16.47.06 # 3 full screens.. not 1 :p 16.47.14 # does anyone *cough* amiconn? *cough* know what voltage is supplied to mics plugged into the h1xx analog in? 16.47.24 # in settings. h or c :p 16.47.32 # i've been looking, jd 16.47.33 # Falco98: apps/settings.h (as Pi said...) - "struct user_settings" 16.47.34 # :-P 16.47.42 # ohhh ok 16.47.45 # Falco98: i think it is in settings.menu.c 16.47.52 # thanks 16.48.08 # linuxstb was right :) 16.48.10 # JdG: ya see we'll soon be allowed to tape tv shows for a single viewing legally? :) 16.48.31 # thats the same laws as alowgin cd->mp3 isnt it? 16.48.37 # yup 16.48.40 # single viewing.. hahaha 16.48.47 # * JdGordon has 40gb of tv on my hdd :p 16.48.50 # must be delete thereafter. 16.48.55 # whatboutbob: Haven't we been allowed to do that since about 1982? (thanks to Sony IIRC...) 16.48.56 # *deleted 16.49.12 # linuxstb: aussie law. 16.49.12 # linuxstb: we r in very bakwards copyright lawed australiaa 16.49.38 # So VCRs have been illegal all these years? 16.49.46 # yup 16.49.49 # :) 16.49.49 # JdG: and we're def not allowed to share with friends...unless they happen to be in our house when we view the recording for the one and only time. 16.50.01 # well no.. they are about as legal as cd-bruners 16.50.03 # wow US and Australlia are preety weird countries after all :P 16.50.07 # there's a pretty funny FAQ on the new copyright law on the attorney general's website about it. 16.50.16 # linkage? 16.50.25 # XavierGr: THIS is what makes you think that? Man...if you only knew... 16.50.56 # * Falco98 puzzles over this... user_settings claims crossfade has 3 options, "0=off, 1=shuffle, 2=always" 16.51.11 # most of the ipod ads have been promoting breaking the law in australia. 16.51.40 # whatboutbob: link to the funny FAQ? 16.51.54 # eg using Jet to promote the ipod...only problem is they weren't available for digital download. How are you supposed to get their music onto the ipod then...? 16.52.05 # linuxstb: i don't understand how user_settings becomes global_settings ... 16.52.30 # user_settings is the definition of the type. The actual global_settings is declared at the top of settings.c 16.52.33 Quit dpro (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 16.52.40 # whatboutbob: according to the RIAA (recently) the same is true here 16.53.00 # gotcha 16.53.34 # whatboutbob: the RIAA is going on raving looney bents these days claiming that people aren't allowed to rip their own CDs to mp3/etc 16.53.46 # (they'll stop me over my cold, dead body) 16.54.07 # I'm sure they would if they thought they could get away with it. 16.54.29 # definatly.. 16.54.34 # yeah.. heh 16.54.55 # well hopefully in a handful of years their fucking stupid business model will start causing a noticeable turnaround 16.54.56 # Falco98: The comment in the .h file is out of date. It's correct (giving all four options) in the .c file. 16.55.20 # linuxstb: cool.. that's what i suspected, but it's surely weird-looking :-P 16.55.20 # * whatboutbob is looking for that damn AG link... 16.55.44 # linuxstb: do you know what-all would be involved in adding a 5th option to the crossfade-enable menu? 16.56.09 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 16.56.20 # Falco98: Don't forget that the first number in "crossfade" refers to the number of bits. So if you add a 5th option, you need to change it from 2 to 3 bits (and increment the config block version number). 16.56.21 # it wouldn't have to add any functionality since i'm proposing "shuffle and track skip", just playing with the option ##'s wherever they come up 16.56.24 Join Febs [0] (n=40be24d8@labb.contactor.se) 16.56.48 # http://blogs.smh.com.au/mashup/archives//004567.html 16.56.52 # "config block version number" = ? 16.56.58 # points to: http://www.ag.gov.au/agd/WWW/MinisterRuddockHome.nsf/Page/Media_Releases_2006_Second_Quarter_14_May_2006_-_Major_Copyright_Reforms_Strike_Balace_-_0882006 16.57.38 # Falco98: Search for "CONFIG_BLOCK_VERSION" in settings.c 16.58.11 # If you make a change to the settings structure (apart from adding new things at the end), you need to increment that number. 16.58.39 # oh so 43 would become 44? 16.58.50 # indeed. 16.59.32 Quit petur ("CGI:IRC (EOF)") 16.59.33 # Wouldn't it make more sense to have two separate options: Crossfade on Play, and Crossfade on Track Skip? Each with the options Always, Shuffle, Off so all combinations could be easily made. 16.59.50 # Grrr- no more f***ing crossfade options. 16.59.58 # Haha 17.00.00 # Personally I think 1 is too many. 17.00.11 # why? there should be "shuffle and track skip" 17.00.13 Join petur [0] (n=d4efd6a6@labb.contactor.se) 17.00.16 # Although I'm willing to accept some people can't live without it. 17.00.19 # I don't use it, either. 17.00.21 # it wouldn't even implement any new functionality 17.00.38 # what.. having crossfade at *least* when you manually track skip is really nice 17.00.46 # All I'm suggesting is rather than hardcoding certain options, make all available. 17.00.46 # as is when you want to listen to everything shuffled 17.01.05 # but for some reason, right now, you can only have one or the other 17.01.22 # oh crap... my brilliant new editor is freeking slow on the target :'( 17.01.24 # so if you switch back and forth between shuffle and non-shuffle, you have to go dig around in crossfade settings too 17.01.38 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-25-123.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 17.02.02 # Well, I guess if it's just a matter of adding another mode to an existing option .... 17.02.13 # indeed 17.02.16 # I just experienced an interesting bug on my ipod video. After about 45-50 minutes of playing music, playback paused. The interesting thing is that after stopping and restarting, the L and R channels were reversed. 17.02.22 # (still doesn't stop crossfade being the device of satan's own bottom though.) 17.02.33 # i think that would *pretty much* cover the reasonable possible configurations 17.02.35 # haha 17.02.40 # why the hate? 17.02.46 # has anyone thought about implementing multiple-choice selectors as a kind of submenu instead of the current "use only one line" approach? 17.02.48 # I'm using a build from about a week ago. I'm going to update the build and see if I can replicate this. 17.03.11 # crwl: such as checkboxes or the like? 17.03.16 # febs: sure you're not just facing the wrong way? :-p 17.03.20 # Falco98: Never say "the reasonable" about anything. You do that and someone will be in here in two months time saying "What about a third possibility, so we have automatic skips, manual skips, and folder changes, so that it can crossfade between albums but play back the album itself properly" 17.03.54 # crwl: i tinhk it was brought up on MR... 17.04.01 # I double-checked to make sure my phones were in the correct ear! But listening to classical music, it's pretty obvious when suddenly the violins are on the right instead of the left. 17.04.20 # Febs: I've heard reports of the playback pausing recently, but nobody's been able to be very clear about circumstances, whether it happens on the buffer refill, or what. If you can replicate consistently, an actual bug report would be _really_ nice. :) Also, nobody's reported the channel reverse, but it's also possible nobody's noticed. 17.04.24 # Paul_The_Nerd: actually something i'm fancy on is "always but in albums" such that manual track changes, shuffle mode, and shuffled-playlist mode (but not "in" shuffle mode) all work OK but albums play back right 17.04.31 # febs: just kidding mate...that'd be kinda freaky. 17.04.42 # Falco98, well, something like that - the current approach just feels like waste of screen estate 17.04.48 # but of course that would require almost completely re-writing the crossfade settings, and not something we'll see soon :-P 17.05.03 # Paul_The_Nerd, I'll try to replicate it. 17.05.04 # so for now i'd be set with "shuffle and track skip" just to cover the basics 17.05.07 # (and bases) 17.05.20 # Falco98: The problem is feature bloat. I think two categories: Manual Skip and Auto Skip, with Always/Shuffle/Off being the choices for each is about as far as it should go. 17.05.26 # Bah. Why does Musicbrainz always suck for classical? 17.05.32 # well, not like waste of screen estate, actually conserving it a bit too much :) 17.05.41 # Cassandra...did you get my PM? 17.05.45 # fes: which codec? 17.05.49 # Paul_The_Nerd: yeah, sometime soon a separation of the features would be best 17.05.58 # *febs 17.06.05 # i have a feature request open for THAT too :-P 17.06.10 # Febs: It'd be really nice to know specifically if it cares about file format, if it happens on track change or mid-track, and if it occurs when the buffer refills (also, before stopping and resuming playback, check the audio thread, see if it's doing that strange 'go into the negatives' thing) 17.06.15 # ( http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5344 ) 17.06.33 # is it possible to slow the ui sim to 100% speed of the actual target? 17.06.48 # * amiconn doesn't understand why someone needs meta-features 17.07.04 # amiconn: Metafeatures? 17.07.12 # Why combine features which are already present as yet another feature? 17.07.28 # One can always use .cfg file to switch multiple options at once 17.07.42 # the current way is kinda like getting a new job and being told "You can have medical benefits OR 401k OR $20/hr OR an hour for lunch OR a shitty schedule OR a bitchy boss OR all of these OR none of these" 17.08.23 # No, it's not. You can use .cfg files 17.08.38 # amiconn: i'm talking about crossfade still 17.08.44 # Falco98: He's right though 17.08.58 # ah 17.09.10 # That's what I do to change my unit's setup for different environments. 17.09.13 # how would i use a .cfg file to override "shuffle mode" in crossfade? 17.09.15 # Falco98: Put two simple .cfgs containing the two crossfade setups you like in the root, and when you switch play styles, just click the other one. No navigating menus or anything 17.09.23 # ah 17.09.41 # .cfgs don't have to have ALL options, so you can simply cut anything you don't want changed from it. 17.10.01 # yeah that makes sense.. though it still requires work and extra knowledge on the user's end where just having slightly more flexible options would do it 17.10.06 Quit TCK (No route to host) 17.10.21 # For earphone, I push treble & bass a little, set volume to -35dB, set stereo width to 120%, etc 17.10.24 # Falco98: Yes, but slightly more flexible options increases binary size, reduces battery life, and adds to the "bloat" complaints. :-P 17.10.59 # in some cases i believe we'd find "slightly more flexible options" would reduce bloat 17.11.12 # Can you make the binary smaller by adding this? 17.11.23 Join schroeder [0] (n=helmster@71-211-190-23.hlrn.qwest.net) 17.11.26 # * JdGordon goes rb->cpu_boost(1); mad... 17.11.31 # * petur goes and removes all settings 17.11.47 # 3 different things could all have on/off switches.. but to include them ALL in the same list of settings (to cover all cases) would take what.. 8 or 9 items? 17.12.53 # 8 17.12.53 # hi 17.13.05 # yeah 17.13.25 # and change that to 4 things, and the number becomes 16 17.13.41 # 2^n 17.13.46 # yeah 17.14.14 # Falco98: But that's not ADDING options. That's just changing the way the options are presented. There's a difference. 17.14.19 # (same formula as figuring out the number of possible combinations on a X dimension monitor and Y number of colors :-P except the number is too high to calculate) 17.15.35 # Paul_The_Nerd: well i'm adding an option to crossfade-enable, but if the currently possible settings were separated out into separate cases, we'd only need the 2 you described 17.15.47 # (and i wouldn't need to bother adding what i propose) 17.16.11 # y isnt cpu_boost() defined for the sim? even as a blank? 17.16.42 # oh well, time to get off the PC for a few hours (JD isn't it late there?) 17.16.44 # ..or maybe it is and my problem is elsewere 17.16.53 # ye, 1.15am.. im going to bed soon 17.17.05 # ahh ok, not so bad, i was up til 3 last night here :-P 17.17.07 Quit damaki_ (Connection timed out) 17.17.16 # later all... thanks for the pointers and healthy debate :-P 17.17.24 Quit Falco98 ("CGI:IRC") 17.17.58 Part whatboutbob 17.18.03 # JdGordon: You need to put cpu_boost() inside #ifdef HAVE_ADJUSTABLE_CPU_FREQ - which isn't defined for the sim. 17.19.07 # ...and neither for archos 17.19.15 # exactly. 17.19.33 # Or new targets you haven't figured out how to change speed properly on yet, as well. :-P 17.19.52 # yup 17.21.06 # Which reminds me, I wonder if a 3g developer will ever show up... 17.22.32 Join gursikh [0] (n=guriskh1@dsl254-123-245.nyc1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 17.22.58 Part gursikh 17.24.22 # welll that was odd... 17.24.42 # linuxstb: Yup, or even 1g / 2g 17.24.50 # just tried the editor on my h300, started loading the file then went black and rebooted into iriver! 17.25.05 # hehe, new function 17.25.20 # actually i tinhk it went inot iriver coz ac is in 17.25.32 # oh... 17.26.49 # oh well.. didnt happen again.. off to flyspray :D 17.28.53 Quit Zagor ("Client exiting") 17.28.59 # done.. ready to be commited... 17.29.12 # * JdGordon famous last words :p 17.29.14 # * amiconn thinks there might be a null pointer problem 17.29.34 # * petur spots an ugly car 17.29.36 # * amiconn wonders why people don't use the 'catch mem accesses' debug ferature 17.29.38 # http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2006/05/17/mitsubishi_i_car/ 17.30.05 # amiconn: because we don't know about it! :p 17.30.12 # * JdGordon blames petur... that line i asked about before isnt liked by rb 17.31.23 # XavierGr: I think there's a wiki page.... 17.31.31 # (meaning we have no excuse) 17.31.46 # of course 17.32.02 # I am not trying to excuse myself. 17.32.10 # JdGordon: I didn't like it either :) 17.32.22 # but u said it was ok :D 17.32.36 # * petur tries to remember 17.32.44 # The wiki page needs updating tho... only talks about archos :/ 17.32.52 # http://www.rockbox.org/twiki/bin/view/Main/UseMemoryGuard 17.33.29 # [21:56:31] JdGordon: but it's safe.... 17.33.50 # bed time.. fix it in the morning... 17.33.52 # gnite all 17.34.19 Quit JdGordon ("using sirc version 2.211+KSIRC/1.3.11") 17.38.16 Join hardeep [0] (n=hardeep@c-67-188-108-180.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 17.38.47 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 17.39.15 Quit webguest64 ("CGI:IRC") 17.47.14 Join Siku [0] (n=Siku@f303b.w3.tontut.fi) 17.57.07 Quit petur ("\o/") 17.59.07 Quit _FireFly_ ("Client exiting") 18.00.47 Quit _Veseliq_ (Read error: 113 (No route to host)) 18.01.04 Join _Veseliq_ [0] (n=veseliq@195.85.215.210) 18.01.35 # hmmmm, java being open sourced... Rockbox Java VM anyone? =) 18.02.24 # urgh 18.03.13 # If you want sth that runs slow like hell on a multi-GHz machine and consumes all available RAM, then choose java 18.03.23 # lol 18.03.32 # java is just as fast as compiled C in most cases 18.03.45 # once the JVM load overhead is done once at startup. 18.04.03 # My experience is completely different... 18.04.25 # Isn't Java on mobile phones, also? 18.04.32 # it is 18.04.51 # a lot of benchmarks (my own included) state that that is the case. Now if you are using trig functions, or other things that the JVM doesn't have a 1-1 bytecode-to-machine-code mapping on your architecture then it crawls like a dead dog. 18.06.33 # Maybe it's not that slow when considering internal functions... but all java gui apps I've seen so far have more or less insane response times 18.07.14 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-15-111.tn.glocalnet.net) 18.08.27 # ahhhh, java gui != java :) 18.08.51 # swing is heinously slow, and most people use the event interface in simply terrible ways... 18.09.05 # check out limewire for a pretty clean /quick java GUI 18.10.39 Nick _Vladoman is now known as Vladoman (n=Vladoman@dsl-cus-098-041.de.clara.net) 18.16.09 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-148-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) 18.16.19 # once again comments appreciated: 18.16.19 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5294 18.17.22 # Pi_: What happens if you press Menu when music is playing, but you entered the menu from the filetree? 18.17.42 # now it goes back to WPS 18.17.49 Join swampcow [0] (n=apo@p548A41E2.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) 18.17.58 # (older version went back to file tree) 18.18.42 # It seems to me like it Menu should _just_ close the menu (bringing you back to wherever you entered the menu from) and Play should do what it sounds like you have it doing. Trigger WPS, and resume playback if it's not active. 18.18.58 # What prompted you to always have it enter WPS if music is playing? 18.19.10 # that gets a bit more complicated 18.20.10 # Hm? 18.20.33 # I supose it was a quick fix, with the old setup pressing play when you entered menu from file tree it returned you to the file tree (after resuming if nesesery) 18.20.58 # Oh, see, Play should never take you back to the filetree 18.21.16 # the alternative it to change all the menues from bools to integers 18.21.23 Join bobTHC [0] (n=bobTHC@au213-1-87-88-228-122.dsl.club-internet.fr) 18.21.27 # hi folks ! 18.22.12 # Pi_: Wasn't that already suggested? 18.22.53 # part of me just wanted to keep things simple the other part was just lazy 18.24.01 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.24.11 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@1-1-6-23a.spa.sth.bostream.se) 18.25.18 # have u seen the google trend about rockbox ? impressive ! 18.25.19 # http://www.google.com/trends?q=rockbox&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all 18.25.19 # Pi_: It seems to me that if we're going to make the menu actually seem popup-like, which is a fairly major goal, when it clears you should see what you saw before it. And to keep play consistent it needs to do what you're doing now. So at some point the bool to int thing is probably going to need to happen. 18.25.26 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.25.45 # Pi_: I think you've done exactly the opposite to my suggestion - i.e. you've mixed those two features.... 18.25.51 # bobTHC: can you make it print a number too? 18.27.04 # * Pi_ hangs head in shame 18.27.06 # I think ther are 4 return posibilitys: move up a menu, exit the menu, usb connect and return to WPS 18.27.15 # how should i name them? 18.27.21 # Pi_: Also, I think lots of people will thank you if you change menus to return an enumeration/integer instead of the currently restrictive bool. 18.28.40 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.160.160.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 18.29.09 # EXIT, QEXIT, USB and WPS? 18.29.49 # BACK, EXIT, USB, and PLAY? 18.30.09 # thanks 18.30.14 # Just my suggestion. 18.30.27 # Seeing as I've written less code than you, you may not want to listen. ;-) 18.30.45 # back is a bit ambiguous maybe? 18.30.47 # back to what? 18.31.00 # sounds good will attempt it now 18.31.30 # Why should there be a difference between "exit" and "quick exit" ? The function that opens the menu shouldn't need to know that. 18.31.39 # Mikachu: Back to the previous level. Just back a step. 18.31.42 # (i still know verry little C, only learnt fortran and pascal) 18.32.02 # exit returns only one place, qexit quits them all 18.32.04 # linuxstb: I think his "Exit" was "Previous level in the menu tree" and "Quick Exit" was "Leave the menus entirely to wherever they were invoked from" 18.32.21 # thanks Paul_The_Nerd 18.32.43 Join Aditya|Nap [0] (i=user@c-69-138-7-5.hsd1.md.comcast.net) 18.32.56 Part Aditya|Nap 18.36.01 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-74-45.w86-207.abo.wanadoo.fr) 18.37.30 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-92-49.tn.glocalnet.net) 18.40.42 # Paul_The_Nerd: Ah yes, if a menu calls another menu.... 18.47.28 # if i am converting all the menus to integers, is ther any point in keeping menu_run? 18.47.32 # isn't that what every submenu does? 18.47.37 # do we need a minesweeper solver (cheat) like sudoku? 18.47.51 # I have made the code for tetsting purposes 18.47.54 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.48.03 # XavierGr: just click on a mine :P 18.48.30 # that's now a solver. What I am talking about is a button that will make all blocks transparent 18.48.33 Join midgey34 [0] (n=Midgey34@c-24-11-120-86.hsd1.mi.comcast.net) 18.48.34 Quit jbauman (Connection timed out) 18.48.34 # now = not 18.49.19 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-95-140.tn.glocalnet.net) 18.49.32 Quit bobTHC ("Smoke Weed Every Dayz !!!!!!!") 18.50.00 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 18.50.57 Quit damaki__ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 18.52.26 # XavierGr: Maybe some kind of "hint" function, that reveals only what is underneath the selected field would be a good idea. 18.53.21 # now that I think of it I will make good use of the solver when the user loses, just like windows' minesweeper. 18.54.00 # * Pi_ gives up for the evening 18.55.29 Join bilbravo [0] (n=bilbravo@pool-70-17-216-55.balt.east.verizon.net) 18.58.36 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.00.24 Join anathema [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 19.02.34 # minesweeper is completely f*cked up... :p 19.02.56 # on a note the plugin says e.g 16% mines but that is not correct. 19.03.52 # 16 is the possibility for a tile to be a mine when the mine placing function goes over all tiles. 19.04.07 # AFAIK that has nothing to do with '%' 19.04.58 # I fail to see how 16 is not a percentage 19.05.12 Join pixelma [0] (n=pixelma@212.204.41.115) 19.05.19 # tiles = height * width 19.05.27 # XavierGr: 16% mines is correct 19.05.32 # :( 19.06.13 # However, what you say cannot be correct: a probability can't be above 1 19.06.22 # well on a 20*16 board 16% = 51 mines 19.06.31 # A probability of 1 (== 100%) means 'always' 19.06.37 Quit hardeep ("Chatzilla 0.9.73 [Firefox 1.5.0.3/2006042618]") 19.06.40 Join senab [0] (i=senab@82-36-16-45.cable.ubr01.smal.blueyonder.co.uk) 19.06.46 # XavierGr: yes, that's correct 19.06.58 # but the code AFAIK does the following: 19.07.15 # does anyone fancy testing out my new WPS for the ipod 5g? 19.07.23 # It passes through all tiles and with a random function decides if it will be a mine or not. 19.07.34 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.07.40 # (given higher percentage higher probability) 19.07.46 # XavierGr: yes, with a chance of 16%, so in average 16% will have a mine 19.07.59 # if you're lucky it could be minefree 19.08.07 # but that probably won't happen with a pseudo random function 19.08.11 # so even at 16% a 20*16 board will not have always 51 mines 19.08.40 # yes but the plugin says 16% mines 19.08.50 # not 16% probability 19.09.59 # Mikachu: now that i am testing minsweeper at 16% (which is the default) on 4*4 board many time I get no mines 19.10.12 # ^times 19.10.28 # Then that implementation is wrong 19.10.35 # if anyone fancies testing it, see here: http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4263.0 19.11.25 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-94-229.tn.glocalnet.net) 19.11.57 # senab: you are of course aware that post doesn't say what ipod it's for anywhere? 19.12.06 # oh ye, crap 19.12.22 # (can't test, have nano) 19.12.33 # It's 5G I'm guessing from the screenshot 19.12.49 # * Paul_The_Nerd is not a fan of WPSes designed to look like other media players anyway. 19.12.56 # especially not wmv :) 19.13.15 # i'm not the greatest fan of wmp myself 19.13.22 # so I ask, do we need specific % on mines (based on board size) and the scatter them across the board randomly, or scan all tiles and use a probability? (which may give no mines, or full of mines) 19.13.23 # but i like the look of the new version 19.13.39 # i'm a foobar + columns ui person meself 19.14.04 # i always rm wmplayer.exe and use mplayer2.exe if i touch a windows machine 19.14.25 # i miss the old media player with the green led display 19.14.31 # the best video player out there (for windows) is Media player classic. 19.14.39 # VLC? 19.14.45 # 2 new battery test results: h140, no backlight, no disk poweroff: 16:56. player, backlight always: 19:11 19.15.12 # no disk power off? 19.15.19 # With disk poweroff 19.15.21 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-95-255.tn.glocalnet.net) 19.15.24 # ah I thought so 19.15.31 # The test without will be started next, after charging 19.15.49 # Test on recorder without disk poweroff should end sometime tonight 19.16.09 # i did a battery test for my 5g last nite and got 5:27 19.16.19 # ouch:( 19.16.29 # yep 19.16.40 # did you leave it on demo mode in doom? 19.16.51 # senab: with retail OS how much do you get? 19.16.51 # i was suprised, thought it'd be longer but no luck 19.17.05 # battery runtime of ipod rockbox is rather poor 19.17.12 # Only mini 2g is ok-ish 19.17.17 # dunno, i've never used it, as soon as i got my ipod i put RB on 19.17.32 Join linuxstb_ [0] (n=5343d4aa@labb.contactor.se) 19.17.39 # i only ever use retail OS for videos 19.18.07 # The codecs need more optimisation as well as the lcd drawing on colour ipods, and we need to figure out whether ipods can do disk poweroff, and if so, how to use it 19.18.35 # amiconn: It's not _bad_ on Nano. 19.18.58 # senab: Was that a 30GB or 60GB 5g? 19.19.03 # 30gb 19.19.17 # with the smaller battery :( 19.20.20 # does anyone know which wiki page was the one where you can post ur battery_bench logs 19.20.28 # IpodRuntime 19.20.50 # cheers i'll post it now 19.21.20 Join yobesoom [0] (n=mooseboy@c-67-171-207-167.hsd1.or.comcast.net) 19.26.32 # which is the most optimized codec on the 5g? 19.27.24 # Do you mean "fastest decoding" or "best battery life"? 19.27.36 # best battery life 19.27.46 # i'm guessing mad is the fastest decoding 19.27.50 # Hard to say at the moment. 19.28.00 # Probably Ogg at the moment though. 19.28.30 # cheers, that my preference of codec anyway 19.28.42 # Recently our MP3 codec saw some optimizations, but I don't know if that pushed it under Ogg. Also, I can't remember if the new ARM opts for Ogg from our iFP port got committed. 19.28.44 # vorbis is faster than mad on ipod atm 19.29.05 # ac3 is very efficient on both iriver and ipod 19.29.31 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.30.01 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-91-106.tn.glocalnet.net) 19.30.05 # is it? i'd have thought the 5.1 > 2 channel would take quite a bit of processing power 19.30.09 # The format that uses the least possible cpu power (on ipod) is of course wav - but that spins the disk a lot 19.30.32 # thats the downfall i'm having with flac at the mo 19.30.46 # the disk spinning is really killing my battery 19.30.46 # senab: There are 2 channel ac3 files. But even with 5.1 -> 2.0 downmix it's very efficient 19.31.32 # ye, but i've only ever seen a couple of 2 channel ac3's, whereas i'm seen loads of 5.1 19.32.38 # That's the advantage of encoding your own music. You actually get to pick. ;-) 19.32.45 # * amiconn should prepare his own testset with encodings in all supported formats, with various bitrates/compression levels 19.32.53 # u can encode ac3? 19.33.00 Join Hydronic [0] (i=Hydronic@rescomp-05-61236.Stanford.EDU) 19.33.22 # hi anyone here? 19.33.39 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d168077.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.34.07 # amiconn: wouldn't a link to HA suffiuce? 19.34.09 # senab: They've got to be made somehow. 19.34.24 # Hydronic: There are many people here. 19.34.33 # paul: yeh, but i didn't think there was a publicly available encoder 19.34.33 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.34.47 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-25-161.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 19.35.07 # i was just curious if there will ever be support (for the ipod 5g) for dsp plugins like those available for winamp 19.35.10 # Hmm, I thought I could. However, I think there's a program out there that can do it 19.35.44 # This maybe? http://sourceforge.net/projects/ac3encode/ 19.35.56 # Pre-alpha, but they're working on it 19.35.57 # :-P 19.36.25 # great stuff, ive needed a ac3 encoder for a while 19.36.52 # Paul_The_Nerd: Just googled and found the same project... 19.37.27 # Hehehe 19.37.59 # Well, it seems at least that there's an AC3 encoder in ffmpeg, so that's one right there. 19.38.22 # hav u tried the one in ffmpeg? 19.38.34 # Nossir. 19.38.36 # it's not the greatest in quality 19.38.43 Quit solexx_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.38.46 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d168077.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.38.50 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 19.38.52 # senab: I thought you said you didn't think there was a publicly available one... 19.39.10 # i know i just tried in after i googled 19.39.15 # *it 19.39.21 # Ah 19.39.24 # saw it on a HA thread 19.39.51 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-87-21.tn.glocalnet.net) 19.40.33 # apparently "It's just a basic implementation of teh algorithms with minimal tweaking. Quality is quite bad." 19.40.53 # also, my ipod resets to default wps and sound settings randomly 19.41.52 # mine does that when i turn it on with the hold switch on 19.41.55 # Hydronic: I doubt it's entirely random. Does it say "Settings Cleared" or does it only ever happen after USB inserts, or what? 19.43.08 # almost every time after charging via usb and randomly after i turn it off.. ive tried fiddling with the hold button 19.43.41 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 19.43.51 Quit solexx_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.43.53 Join solexx_ [0] (n=jrschulz@d168077.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.44.20 # ac3encode uses the ffmpeg encoder 19.45.01 Quit solexx (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.45.26 # is patch or diff easier to use? i cant figure out either one 19.46.18 Quit senab (" HydraIRC -> http://www.hydrairc.com <- IRC has never been so good") 19.48.58 Quit solexx_ (Remote closed the connection) 19.48.59 Join solexx [0] (n=jrschulz@d168077.adsl.hansenet.de) 19.49.07 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.50.05 Part Paul_The_Nerd 19.52.41 Quit dpassen2 ("CGI:IRC") 19.55.50 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 19.56.13 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-93-29.tn.glocalnet.net) 19.56.46 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-126-043.pools.arcor-ip.net) 19.58.58 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.04.16 Quit Hydronic ("—I-n-v-i-s-i-o-n— 2.0 Build 3515") 20.04.36 Join SereR0KR [0] (n=Fletcher@Fd224.f.strato-dslnet.de) 20.05.32 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-25-161.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.06.26 Join tim66 [0] (n=tim@83.97.39.21) 20.10.14 Join hardeep [0] (i=hardeeps@otaku.freeshell.ORG) 20.10.26 # XavierGr: The NULL pointer access in jpeg.rock (described on the ml) would have shown up with the 'catch mem accesses' debug feature on target... 20.11.10 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-86-39.tn.glocalnet.net) 20.12.58 Join Febs [0] (n=40be24d8@labb.contactor.se) 20.14.31 # * XavierGr knods 20.15.22 # someone better commit the jpeg fix. #5362 20.23.29 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.24.54 # can we specify how long the "volume fade" is when pausing or stopping? 20.26.22 # Oooor, at the point "pause" is hit, can we update the WPS with the status, instead of updating the WPS status once the volume has completed its fade-out. 20.27.15 Quit Pi_ ("bye") 20.27.21 Quit Genre9mp3 ("Leaving") 20.27.51 Join Pi_ [0] (n=Pi@80-41-196-24.dynamic.dsl.as9105.com) 20.27.52 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.28.27 Join akaidiot [0] (n=not@84-217-11-238.tn.glocalnet.net) 20.34.49 Quit akaidiota (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.37.22 Part PaulJam 20.44.27 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 20.45.21 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@dsl-cus-098-041.de.clara.net) 20.45.21 Quit Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 20.51.56 Join PaulJam [0] (n=pauljam@vpn-3107.gwdg.de) 20.54.10 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-19-242.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 20.59.58 # the album cover patches want the album image to be named what? "cover.bmp"? 21.01.06 # it looks first for .bmp then for .bmp and then for cover.bmp 21.01.27 Join nave7693 [0] (n=evan@c-67-161-2-52.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) 21.01.29 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.01.33 # so be it. thanks! 21.01.47 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/3045 21.01.50 # der. my lame. 21.02.17 # oops 21.02.52 Join akaidiota [0] (n=not@84-217-90-97.tn.glocalnet.net) 21.02.54 Quit Kohlrabi ("Fast alle Menschen sind Regenwürmer") 21.03.51 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 21.03.56 Join damaki__ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-9-239.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.09.52 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.10.00 Join _Vladoman [0] (n=Vladoman@dsl-cus-098-041.de.clara.net) 21.10.30 Quit Vlad0man (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.12.20 Join mirak [0] (n=mirak@AAubervilliers-152-1-25-251.w83-114.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.18.11 Join bluey- [0] (n=bluey@dslb-088-073-067-050.pools.arcor-ip.net) 21.18.52 Join wooo [0] (n=none@cpc3-bele3-0-0-cust696.belf.cable.ntl.com) 21.18.58 Quit anathema (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.19.12 Quit akaidiot (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.20.09 Join Falco98 [0] (n=18586afa@labb.contactor.se) 21.21.40 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.23.18 Join jbauman [0] (n=Johnq@66.216.160.160.dynamic.dejazzd.com) 21.23.22 Quit damaki__ ("You're entering a world of pain") 21.23.34 # dpassen1: we finally got it working :-P 21.24.08 # Cool, is the latest version posted? 21.28.00 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-9-239.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.28.07 # yeah 21.28.12 # hold on.. 21.28.18 # http://www.rockbox.org/tracker/task/5338 21.28.39 # my submitted patch, all the way at the bottom, works nearly 100% as far as i can tell 21.29.22 # though if someone feels like eyeing it for possible randomness or usability improvements i'm all ears :-P 21.32.15 Join amiconn_ [0] (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.33.21 Join damaki_ [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-34-247.w83-198.abo.wanadoo.fr) 21.37.18 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.38.51 # if I have a #define in a header, and then include the .h in another file, do I need to make another #define or can I use the other one? 21.38.53 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 21.39.19 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 21.39.43 Quit Febs ("CGI:IRC (Ping timeout)") 21.41.32 # Pi_: i'm pretty sure you can use the other one. 21.42.52 # in menu.h i have "#define MENU_ATTACHED_USB -1" and in tree.c i have "#include "menu.h"" 21.42.56 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@d02m-89-83-194-227.d4.club-internet.fr) 21.43.01 Quit jbauman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.43.31 # so can i use "MENU_ATTACHED_USB" in tree.c 21.43.52 # thanks sharpe, was just clearing it up 21.46.15 # :) 21.50.33 Quit damaki (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.50 Quit amiconn (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 21.50.50 Nick amiconn_ is now known as amiconn (n=jens@rockbox/developer/amiconn) 21.52.48 Join Sinbios [0] (n=Sinbios@toronto-HSE-ppp4012902.sympatico.ca) 21.54.52 # for the keyboard entry, kbd_input(), right? 21.55.18 Join petur [0] (n=petur@rockbox/developer/petur) 21.56.18 Join HCl_ [0] (i=hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) 21.56.38 Quit HCl (Nick collision from services.) 21.56.45 Nick HCl_ is now known as HCl (i=hcl@titania.student.utwente.nl) 22.02.20 # * petur is bored - got a bunch of old folks visiting ;) 22.04.56 # old people?! 22.05.52 # you know, 60+ 22.05.58 # ah 22.06.03 # family thing 22.06.11 # lol 22.06.14 # of course 22.06.44 # not like you'd randomly have older people in one's home for no reason... especially if they're not family 22.07.04 # ;) 22.11.32 # good mood today... 22.11.42 # actually working a bit more on the emulator. 22.16.07 # anyone have any more suggestions for the name for the c64 emulator? 22.19.54 # I guess that means no... 22.20.23 # it would seem so. 22.21.05 Quit akaidiota ("( www.nnscript.de :: NoNameScript 4.02 :: www.XLhost.de )") 22.21.23 # Why not just C64.rock? 22.21.41 # I mean, things don't _need_ fancy names. 22.22.28 # it doesn't really matter to me what it's named... just getting the general consensus... 22.22.45 # albiet nothing it would seem 22.27.55 Join lodesi_ [0] (n=moi@d01m-195-36-155-172.d4.club-internet.fr) 22.28.29 # hey, has someone noticed, that you can select the Pitch menu with H100 remote but can't get out of it 22.28.38 # (in fact, the menu doesn't show on the remote) 22.29.30 # you tried pressing stop, i guess? 22.29.47 # yep 22.29.51 # i probably would have noticed if i had a remote. 22.30.04 # it would've also helped to have an h100 22.30.11 # but i've only an ipod... 22.30.35 # well, i've just been thinking about actually trying to use the remote for once... after owning my H120 for about two years :P 22.30.36 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.30.47 # how do you even get into the pitch menu? 22.31.11 # what model? 22.31.16 # how wouldn't i? the menues seem to be exactly the same on remote as on the main unit 22.31.35 # H120 22.31.40 # umm 22.31.42 # that was @ falco.. 22.31.46 # ah :) 22.31.46 # i'm just asking how to get into the pitch menu 22.31.55 # as in, i can't find it on mine, just now 22.32.02 # i'm just asking your target. go to the context menu at the WPS.. 22.32.12 # but if you have a certain model, there's a key shortcut. never mind, you don't care. 22.32.14 Quit bluey- ("Leaving") 22.32.27 # ahh 22.32.30 Part schroeder 22.32.32 # i was trying the regular menu for some reason 22.32.51 # got it 22.32.59 # yeah, it seems you can't get out of it from the remote... 22.33.06 # and when you enter it the remote screen just freezes 22.34.01 # oh noes! 22.34.09 # lostlogic, hardeep: Either of you around by chance? It sounds like there's a case where it doesn't rebuffer, which is what seems to trigger this "music stops, but I press stop then resume the playlist and it's fine" issue. 22.35.18 # stuff under the Info menu seem to do that too... at least "Rockbox info" should probably work 22.36.36 Quit goffa (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 22.37.41 # ok,how? 22.37.42 # hmm... 22.37.46 # I mean I'm vaguely here 22.37.55 # how am i going to do the menu for the saved states? 22.38.52 # lostlogic: According to one person, the first rebuffer after an automatic folder change doesn't happen, from the sounds of it. http://forums.rockbox.org/index.php?topic=4225.msg31787#msg31787 22.39.32 Join JoeBorn [0] (n=jborn@dsl017-022-247.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net) 22.40.33 # hmm... latest CVS? 22.40.43 # hardeep's recent commit about the playlist_end should have fixed that 22.40.57 # lostlogic: Okay then. That post said he's using a slightly older one 22.41.16 # the build was from before hardeeps commit 22.45.25 # lostlogic: when was the commit that should have fixed that? i have also experineced it with a cvs from 11 May 19:21 22.46.29 # PaulJam: The fix was on the 15th 22.46.42 # yes, i have just found it 22.47.12 # i will try it with a current build 22.49.58 Join Rondom [0] (n=Rondom@mrbg-d9b953af.pool.mediaWays.net) 22.53.56 Join Xerion_ [0] (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 22.54.55 Quit Xerion (Read error: 104 (Connection reset by peer)) 22.54.56 Nick Xerion_ is now known as Xerion (i=xerion@zorgash.student.utwente.nl) 22.59.07 Join voyage34 [0] (i=voyage34@24-196-200-108.dhcp.hckr.nc.charter.com) 22.59.35 Part Paul_The_Nerd 22.59.41 # Hi. Is there an audioscrobbler/last.fm plugin for rocbox on the ipod 5g? 22.59.54 # hi. not yet. 23.00.03 # thanks 23.00.05 # being worked on.. 23.00.09 # excellent 23.01.32 Quit obo (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.02.56 Quit lodesi_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.03.18 Join lodesi [0] (n=moi@d01m-195-36-155-172.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.03.18 Join obo [0] (n=obo@82-46-82-224.cable.ubr02.trow.blueyonder.co.uk) 23.07.53 Join damaki [0] (n=Chocolat@ALille-153-1-64-205.w86-196.abo.wanadoo.fr) 23.09.04 # hmm 23.10.03 # why not just have a global function that transverses directories and calls specified functions when certain conditions are met, such as... directory is found, file is found, etc... 23.10.46 # i actually wrote such a function for the playlist catalog patch 23.10.51 Join Vlad0man [0] (n=Vladoman@dsl-cus-098-041.de.clara.net) 23.10.59 # heh 23.10.59 Quit Rondom ("I'm leaving on a jetplane, don't know when I'll be back again...") 23.11.18 # i left it in the playlist code but it can probably be moved to tree 23.11.24 Quit _Vladoman (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.11.28 # i see. 23.11.57 # i wonder if it would be safe to just pass a NULL to menu_init() as the menu item list... 23.13.15 # as i'll be adding them to the list... 23.14.56 # ok, the bug seems to be fixed (at least it didn't happen this time) 23.15.10 Quit bilbravo (Remote closed the connection) 23.17.51 # amiconn: do you have the logs of your H100 with and without disk power off? 23.18.00 # eh, i'll just pass it a pointer to the unused plugin buffer... 23.22.37 Quit damaki_ (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.30.31 Join TCK [0] (i=TCK@81-179-101-127.dsl.pipex.com) 23.31.51 Join Paul_The_Nerd [0] (n=Paul_The@cpe-66-68-93-2.austin.res.rr.com) 23.36.35 Join Daishi [0] (n=daishi@pool-71-246-114-158.nycmny.east.verizon.net) 23.37.21 # does anyone know how the hex numbers work in the bitmap icons? 23.38.01 # I know that each hex number represents a vertical line of the icon, but how the number comes from it? 23.38.28 # Bits 23.38.37 # lol 23.38.41 # hello 23.38.43 # 1 = pixel, 0 = no pixel 23.38.57 *** Saving seen data "./dancer.seen" 23.39.00 # Then, you get a number in binary. Convert to hex, and you're done. 23.39.16 # I think 23.39.17 # let me see then... 23.40.26 # ... 23.40.33 # sharpe: ? 23.40.43 # error: 'dir' undeclared... in the declaration... 23.42.09 Join _Vladoman [0] (n=Vladoman@dsl-cus-098-041.de.clara.net) 23.42.14 # Paul_The_Nerd: Thanks seems to be working. 23.42.24 # gcc loves me 23.43.15 Quit Vlad0man (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.44.16 # ahh... 23.45.49 Join lodesi_ [0] (n=moi@d01v-89-83-183-108.d4.club-internet.fr) 23.47.01 Quit lodesi (Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)) 23.49.25 Quit Siku () 23.51.58 # ergh 23.54.01 # It being troublesome? 23.54.24 Quit voyage34 () 23.54.32 # yep. 23.54.45 Join Kohlrabi [0] (n=Kohlrabi@dslb-082-083-148-173.pools.arcor-ip.net) 23.54.53 # apparently declaring an undecalred variable won't work. 23.55.24 # sharpe: you're doing Something Wrong [tm] 23.55.30 # what is preferable? You loose ot you lose? (I don't remember which is which). 23.55.38 # it would seem i am... 23.55.48 # ^or 23.55.49 # XavierGr: they're two different words 23.55.56 # XavierGr: loose is the opposite of tightened 23.55.59 # lose is the opposite of win 23.56.05 # ah yes 23.56.10 # now I remember 23.56.13 Quit Poka64 ("back to sleep") 23.56.23 # but they sound the same 23.56.27 # smothing like "loose screw" right? 23.56.44 # yeah you have a screw loose 23.56.49 # (*sigh* my spelling is getting worse...) 23.56.58 # :P 23.57.08 # ok thanks! :D 23.57.10 # aHHH!!! 23.57.14 # Mikachu: not quite the same..."loos" = loose "looz" = lose 23.57.15 # ;) 23.57.20 # gcc, why do you hate me? 23.57.38 # gcc loves me 23.57.43 Join mmmTROUT [0] (n=coolchaz@adsl-70-237-143-143.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 23.57.51 # scorche: it's a love-hate relationship 23.58.03 # i love rockbox 23.58.17 # blaming the compiler... how typical ;) 23.58.35 Nick mmmTROUT is now known as chazman24 (n=coolchaz@adsl-70-237-143-143.dsl.stlsmo.sbcglobal.net) 23.58.40 # :) 23.58.42 # petur: There is at _least_ one documented case in the last 6 months of Rockbox's history where it actually *was* the compiler's fault. 23.58.55 # I know.... 23.58.59 # :)